| 00:40.12 | brlcad | Happy New Year! |
| 00:41.05 | DanielFalck | Happy new year to you too brlcad! thanks for the code! |
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| 03:52.20 | yukonbob_ | hello, cadheads |
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| 15:12.57 | mafm | hi |
| 15:35.02 | brlcad | howdy |
| 15:39.15 | Axman6 | whoot, just got someone interested in trying out brl-cad :) |
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| 15:52.21 | brlcad | Axman6: heh, cool |
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| 20:35.30 | Scott_ | hi is anyone here? |
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| 03:09.47 | jonored | tries point_t *newpt; |
| 03:10.11 | jonored | ...I really need to fix that click glitch. |
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| 03:13.17 | jonored | That said, any guidance on working out how to get the curvature of the intersection of a plane and a surface from the two curvature values and the vector? I keep thining that it's something simple that I'm just not getting.. |
| 03:16.58 | pacman87 | jonored: so you want the curvature of the path? |
| 03:17.54 | jonored | *Nod*. |
| 03:17.56 | brlcad | jonored: click glitch? |
| 03:19.06 | jonored | (When I switch VTs back to the one with X up in it I get a middle click. I'm not sure why. This becomes inconvenient when it pastes random fragments of code into windows.) |
| 03:19.39 | brlcad | heh, that's odd |
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| 05:00.17 | jonored | Oh, finally found it somewhere, okay. Woot. |
| 05:00.29 | pacman87 | jonored: link? i'm curious |
| 05:03.09 | jonored | pacman87: http://mrl.nyu.edu/~dzorin/geom04/lectures/lect08.pdf - second page, right there, k=k_1 (cos a)^2 + k_2 (sin a)^2 |
| 05:03.37 | pacman87 | thanks :) |
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| 06:01.35 | jonored | Alternately, I could simply be forgetting critical parts of what I'm trying to do and the applicability of that formula... |
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| 16:58.05 | mafm | hi |
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| 04:01.44 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/6LDPvm30.html <---- this happens at install time, any way around it? |
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| 07:29.51 | Sk3letrOn | hey bitch got a problem with me? |
| 07:30.02 | brlcad | Sk3letrOn: in that channel with your language, absolutely |
| 07:30.14 | brlcad | here I'll just as well tell you to go fuck yourself if you can't behave |
| 07:30.21 | Sk3letrOn | hahaha |
| 07:30.26 | Sk3letrOn | be nice to me |
| 07:30.28 | Sk3letrOn | ok? |
| 07:30.40 | brlcad | the way you're acting, I have no reason to |
| 07:30.46 | brlcad | you have to earn respect |
| 07:30.46 | Sk3letrOn | yes! I insist |
| 07:30.58 | Sk3letrOn | I was reading over some logs |
| 07:30.59 | brlcad | which you don't get by acting like a presumptuous ass |
| 07:31.00 | Sk3letrOn | I found something |
| 07:31.04 | Sk3letrOn | I need to talk to blast |
| 07:31.12 | brlcad | you should have thought about that beforehand |
| 07:31.22 | Sk3letrOn | but he won't listen to me |
| 07:31.32 | brlcad | figure that one out |
| 07:31.38 | brlcad | wonder why |
| 07:31.52 | Sk3letrOn | ok I will I'll go ahead and use what I found then maybe you wil respect me |
| 07:31.56 | Sk3letrOn | :D |
| 07:31.57 | Sk3letrOn | bye |
| 07:31.58 | brlcad | not likely |
| 07:32.06 | brlcad | there are plenty of ways to be an ass |
| 07:36.08 | Ralith | hehe. |
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| 10:43.42 | mafm | hi |
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| 16:55.03 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
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| 19:05.48 | kanzure_ | Hi all. Someone's been mentioning to me how CSG is ancient/old/out-of-date, but I was wondering what the latest modeling kernels are doing if not CGS. |
| 19:06.14 | kanzure_ | CSG* |
| 19:07.12 | kanzure_ | b-rep looks to be compatible. |
| 19:14.03 | brlcad | kanzure_: that's a much longer discussion |
| 19:14.58 | brlcad | that perspective by itself is rather naive/ignorant of the history of CAD development too and how CSG with implicits relate to other modeling forms |
| 19:15.54 | brlcad | CSG by itself is just a geometric operation, which pretty much every major CAD system supports to varying degrees of usefulness |
| 19:16.20 | poolio | b-rep is in the works :) |
| 19:16.28 | brlcad | the deeper issue is the underlying geometry, whether it is represented by an explicit boundary representation or implicit mathematical forms |
| 19:16.53 | poolio | howdy brlcad, how were the holidays? |
| 19:16.58 | brlcad | the two aren't exclusive either, you can at least go from implicit to explicit (just not easily the other way around) |
| 19:17.03 | brlcad | poolio: they are/were great :) |
| 19:17.08 | brlcad | merry christmas |
| 19:17.09 | poolio | ah cool, still off? |
| 19:17.12 | brlcad | sorta |
| 19:17.15 | poolio | and happy new year |
| 19:18.25 | brlcad | likewise! |
| 19:19.15 | poolio | you watching the game or are you not a football fan? |
| 19:19.22 | brlcad | kanzure_: most of the modern best practices focus around parametric modeling and feature-based editing operations (which have little to do with the csg vs brep vs implicit vs explicit debate), they're higher-level constructs |
| 19:21.51 | brlcad | poolio: oh, I'd just tuned it in a few minutes ago |
| 19:22.12 | brlcad | could hear the neighbors cheering, the entire neighborhood is big fandom |
| 19:22.22 | brlcad | watching it in HD is pretty sweet |
| 19:23.17 | poolio | yeah, it makes watching sports so much nicer. It's a high stakes game for me - my roommate is from miami :) |
| 19:23.37 | brlcad | hah |
| 19:23.46 | brlcad | so you're rubbing it in now, I take it ;) |
| 19:24.22 | brlcad | looks like it'll be 13-3 or 17-3 here in a couple mins :) |
| 19:27.08 | kanzure_ | brlcad: I see. |
| 19:27.46 | brlcad | it is a pretty true statement that we lack several of the higher-level constructs |
| 19:27.54 | kanzure_ | For geometrical constriants (for parametrics), it would seem to me just something that an extra script could do to check and update some numbers in an mged script or something. This is my simple understand though, there's better stuff that could be done. |
| 19:28.10 | brlcad | that's true |
| 19:28.34 | brlcad | that's also why more of our focus is on ensuring that the underpinnings are solid, guarantees of solidity and numerics, etc |
| 19:29.19 | brlcad | we are working on bidirectional BREP, big priority (as that really makes arbitrary parametric editing easier as well as tessellation) |
| 19:29.41 | brlcad | but that's still pretty independent of having parametric editing and feature-based edits |
| 19:30.23 | brlcad | most feature-based edits could similarly be represented as a series of CSG operations (actually *considerably* more efficient than via a BREP approach) |
| 19:31.20 | brlcad | since actions like "add a hole on this face with this diameter and this bevel" amount to a CSG subtraction of the hole shape |
| 19:33.32 | kanzure_ | hrm, this same person mentions "free-cad" as looking like something that will "get there sooner than BRLCAD" (but to where? he makes a comparison to Solidworks, hrm) |
| 19:33.38 | kanzure_ | checks out free-cad on sourceforge |
| 19:33.49 | brlcad | hehe |
| 19:33.50 | kanzure_ | http://freecad.juergen-riegel.net/Docu/ |
| 19:34.01 | brlcad | I wish them the best |
| 19:34.19 | brlcad | that's an even more exceptionally naive statement |
| 19:34.54 | kanzure_ | ah, free-cad is a feature-based parametric modeler |
| 19:36.09 | brlcad | what most people don't realize is the magnitude of effort required to make a production-quality CAD system -- it's not like making a game or web browser or office application |
| 19:36.40 | kanzure_ | bah, making a web browser isn't easy either |
| 19:36.48 | kanzure_ | points to the short list of available layout engines |
| 19:37.21 | brlcad | most of the big commercial CAD systems have *thousands* of staff-years of effort invested (some have tens of thousands) |
| 19:37.30 | kanzure_ | WebKit, Gecko, KHTML, gtkHTML. (Then there's Trident and whatever Opera uses, which are closed source) |
| 19:38.03 | louipc | if someone gets there sooner than later I'd be happy :D |
| 19:38.08 | louipc | but I'd put my money on brl-cad |
| 19:38.34 | brlcad | louipc: I'd be happy if folks just collaborated more -- there are lots of one/two-man efforts |
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| 19:38.42 | kanzure_ | nods |
| 19:38.50 | kanzure_ | that was somewhat the point of the open manufacturing group when it started |
| 19:39.02 | brlcad | they get something up on a gui quickly and get a few screenshots, people are impressed, but then realize that it's absolutely useless for production use |
| 19:39.04 | kanzure_ | trying to pick up where some of the other mailing lists died, like the open-cad-format list, linux-cad list, etc. |
| 19:39.18 | louipc | hehe yep |
| 19:39.34 | kanzure_ | there's also avocad-ro. |
| 19:40.09 | louipc | but only so much can come from hobbyists and such, industry really needs to see open source as a real possible alternative |
| 19:40.10 | brlcad | BRL-CAD has about 400 staff-years effort invested, which is about 300 more than the next group .. and we're still pretty far away from hitting a usability mark |
| 19:40.40 | brlcad | kanzure_: avocado is even less along than freecad (but the guy is at least much better on his marketing) |
| 19:41.38 | kanzure_ | so while we're on this topic, I mentioned the open manufacturing group :) |
| 19:41.40 | brlcad | there's a couple other efforts that are even more impressive proof-of-concepts, but still -- they're years away from any level of usability |
| 19:41.58 | kanzure_ | http://openmanufacturing.net/ and http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing |
| 19:42.23 | kanzure_ | there are too many islands of efforts, but I don't have a solution really |
| 19:42.27 | brlcad | ~nibm |
| 19:42.28 | ibot | i heard nibm is "Not Implemented By Me" - a syndrome often suffered by developers that tend to reinvent the wheel or fork development for no reason other than not being able, willing, or interested in working with others, or for being able to put their name on it. |
| 19:42.37 | brlcad | ~nih |
| 19:42.38 | ibot | [nih] \"Not Invented Here\" - a syndrome often suffered by developers and companies who tend to reinvent the wheel for no reason other than being able to put their name on it. |
| 19:42.41 | louipc | heh I googled "open manufacturing group" and I didn't get anything on the first page |
| 19:43.28 | brlcad | kanzure_: that's why most of my interest over the past year has been for getting involved more in community and collaborative efforts |
| 19:43.37 | kanzure_ | louipc: I google 'open manufacturing' without quotes and get a good hit on the first page. |
| 19:44.05 | louipc | haha that's glx gears |
| 19:44.09 | kanzure_ | yes :) |
| 19:44.10 | brlcad | even our team, which has major funded backing by the u.s. gov't, won't keep pace with the industry expectations without getting a lot more people involved |
| 19:44.14 | kanzure_ | I apologize upfront for that picture, btw. |
| 19:44.21 | kanzure_ | it was late one night .. I wasn't thinking straight .. |
| 19:44.41 | brlcad | kanzure_: hehe |
| 19:44.45 | louipc | oh openi see |
| 19:44.50 | kanzure_ | ? |
| 19:45.13 | louipc | nvm |
| 19:45.43 | kanzure_ | brlcad: another issue is probably the general misunderstanding of what's going on |
| 19:45.59 | kanzure_ | for instance, this person that I've been writing a lengthy email to, might have a few confusions about parametric modelers, brep, etc., |
| 19:46.13 | kanzure_ | it wouldn't be the first time somebody had their "history of software" kinda all wrong ;) |
| 19:46.43 | parodyoflanguage | Hey all, I never introduced myself. Right now I'm just reading through the manual and just trying to get up and running with BRL-CAD. I took AutoCAD in high school, but I don't have the money for that program and I've come to appreciate the free software philosophy. |
| 19:46.56 | louipc | kanzure_: trying to sell brl-cad? |
| 19:47.03 | parodyoflanguage | Hope you don't mind me lurking :) |
| 19:47.19 | louipc | parodyoflanguage: cheers :D |
| 19:47.30 | kanzure_ | louipc: sort of. :) I am working [with others] on a 'hardware packaging format' (like .deb) |
| 19:47.41 | louipc | cool |
| 19:47.44 | kanzure_ | so I recommended dot g instead of dot STL |
| 19:47.54 | kanzure_ | as the CAD-data internal to the package |
| 19:48.20 | kanzure_ | IGES/STEP might win out in the end. Don't know. |
| 19:48.22 | louipc | well, different applications might call for different formats |
| 19:48.26 | brlcad | kanzure_: maybe of interest, this has a really high-level overview of the longer-term project priorities: http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 19:48.47 | kanzure_ | thanks |
| 19:49.46 | kanzure_ | louipc: that's true, but the "just have a lot of small tools to work with everything" mindset is good IMHO |
| 19:49.54 | kanzure_ | and if you can package all of those tools together, even better. |
| 19:50.08 | parodyoflanguage | You guys are still funded by the military? Wow. |
| 19:50.10 | louipc | you could do it like video haha |
| 19:50.22 | louipc | your packaging format will be the container |
| 19:50.46 | louipc | and the geometry format may differ |
| 19:51.03 | brlcad | kanzure_: also, reference for your friend that explains the industry we are most closely concerned with (from the leading researching in this domain), http://www.gvu.gatech.edu/~jarek/papers/SolidModelingWebster.pdf |
| 19:51.25 | brlcad | louipc: sell brl-cad? that's not a goal of mine |
| 19:51.37 | kanzure_ | louipc: yes, I just released a 250 MB zip file with Creative Commons-licensed clips for the construction of a video, last night |
| 19:51.39 | brlcad | parodyoflanguage: howdy and welcome! |
| 19:51.45 | brlcad | lurk as much as you like |
| 19:52.13 | parodyoflanguage | Thanks :) |
| 19:52.31 | kanzure_ | brlcad: out of curiosity, where can I find the architecture notes for the new kernel mentioned in that PNG? |
| 19:52.39 | louipc | brlcad: no, kanzure_ is trying to sell brl-cad, sell as in promote. |
| 19:52.41 | brlcad | kanzure_: I wouldn't recommend IGES -- STEP is a lot harder but more familiar (and something I'd be happy to collaborate one) |
| 19:52.55 | brlcad | our .g format is more flexible and much higher-performing in general |
| 19:54.52 | brlcad | parodyoflanguage: yep, still funded .. substantial investment -- it's the primary code used for all vulnerability/lethality assessments performed by the DoD (on just about all military assets) |
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| 19:56.21 | parodyoflanguage | brlcad: Wow. I somehow thought that such software would be classified :) |
| 19:56.21 | brlcad | kanzure_: some of the docs for it are on the wiki on the website |
| 19:56.21 | brlcad | louipc: ah, misunderstood -- gotya ;) |
| 19:56.21 | parodyoflanguage | brlcad: Just to ask, is there any sort of integration with finite element analysis or plans for such integration? |
| 19:56.21 | brlcad | parodyoflanguage: the code that performs the analysis is not public |
| 19:56.21 | brlcad | brl-cad is just the geometry processing portion providing geometric representation and geometry analysis services (shotlining) |
| 19:57.03 | parodyoflanguage | Okay. So the FEM part is classified. |
| 19:57.12 | brlcad | there is no direct integration with FEA services (or plans for that) but we can certainly import/export a FEM and provide facilities for managing the geometry |
| 19:57.40 | kanzure_ | parodyoflanguage: see OpenFOAM, OpenFlower, etc. |
| 19:57.40 | brlcad | the V/L analysis are not FEA |
| 19:57.42 | parodyoflanguage | Okay, that's what I wanted to know. Thanks :) |
| 19:58.42 | brlcad | there is a BRL-CAD to Cubit exporter that makes it pretty easy to take any .g and end up with a FEM suitable for a given FEA |
| 19:58.51 | brlcad | but you have to have the (dirt cheap) cubit license to make it work |
| 19:59.30 | DanielFalck | brlcad: does the Cubit license give you other export formats too? |
| 19:59.54 | DanielFalck | acis? |
| 20:01.48 | brlcad | Cubit hooks into acis (and is the reason why they have to charge a license fee) |
| 20:02.03 | brlcad | so once in Cubit, you can export to just about anything that acis supports |
| 20:02.34 | DanielFalck | ok |
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| 01:09.07 | Maloeran | looks around, the channel has grown so fast |
| 01:09.11 | Maloeran | Are you around, Erik? |
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| 02:05.22 | Maloeran | Hey Hal |
| 02:05.32 | Rangar | hehe hey Mal :) |
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| 06:36.44 | brlcad | howdy Maloeran |
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| 10:45.23 | mafm | hi |
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| 11:54.57 | d-lo | mornin all. |
| 12:15.47 | mafm | hi d-lo |
| 12:16.08 | d-lo | how goes the vacation? |
| 12:17.37 | mafm | already finished, started working this friday |
| 12:18.12 | mafm | vacations always finish too soon :) |
| 12:18.16 | mafm | what about you? |
| 12:18.19 | d-lo | excellent. I can't remember if you had told me if you made a choice...I think you had two to pick from? |
| 12:21.48 | d-lo | yeah, vacations and holidays are always too short :/ |
| 12:23.07 | mafm | :) |
| 12:23.19 | mafm | I did, I picked the one of the univ at the moment |
| 12:23.26 | d-lo | I was able to disconnect 110% from work.... now time to reconnect. yelch. |
| 12:23.28 | mafm | I'm travelling to Madrid tomorrow to sign the contract |
| 12:23.37 | d-lo | Excellent! |
| 12:24.17 | mafm | https://adenu.ia.uned.es/web/ |
| 12:24.38 | mafm | a bit different from my preferred style, but well |
| 12:25.01 | mafm | disconnecting 110% rules! |
| 12:25.21 | mafm | haven't done that for a lot of time, since I often take vacations to work in another things :| |
| 12:27.10 | d-lo | hrm, strange. that url has a bad security cert. :/ |
| 12:28.02 | d-lo | lol, isn't that amuzing how the term 'vacation' is relative? I, too, 'vacationed' from one work only to pick up another :) |
| 13:18.29 | mafm | yes |
| 13:18.42 | mafm | I'm still working for the lab officially until 12th... |
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| 13:19.28 | mafm | but usually took vacations in the last few years for preparing exams, gsoc or things like that |
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| 10:50.51 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33454 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/bottest.c: close the outfp to no leak, missing semis, and ws |
| 10:59.45 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33455 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/argv.c: minor lint cleanup |
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| 11:33.07 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33456 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/association.c: ws |
| 11:34.55 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33457 10/brlcad/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): remove association.c and bu_association() completely since it looks like it was an idea that was never put to use. there's not any evidence that anything actually uses it so give it the axe. |
| 11:38.37 | d-lo | yawns |
| 11:38.42 | d-lo | Mernin' |
| 11:47.21 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33458 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm_obj.c: remove massive code block duplicated in labels.c for dmo_labelPrimitive() and dmo_drawLabels_cmd(). looks like the newer stuff is in labels.c now. |
| 12:04.37 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33459 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/tire.c: plug a slew of memory leaks. need to call bu_vls_free() if you call bu_vls_init(). |
| 12:06.21 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33460 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/tire.c: remove dead comment code |
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| 13:11.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33463 10/rt^3/trunk/include/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Cleaning up Build system a tad. Removed a few Makefile.am's |
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| 16:41.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33464 10/rt^3/trunk/ (22 files in 4 dirs): Work to conform code to c99 standard. Use of fixed-width integers throughout iBME code. |
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| 18:02.40 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33465 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: there's no comment indicating that there's a reason we would need to clone the dbi twice. remove the hack/bug/mistake. |
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| 18:09.08 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33466 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/axes.c: need string.h for memset() |
| 18:20.39 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33467 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (cmd.c cmd.h): hm, pondering. there are a lot of these unconsties. |
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| 18:40.22 | brlcad | howdy madant |
| 19:07.54 | d-lo | enjoying vacation brlcad? |
| 19:09.00 | brlcad | d-lo: I did, but I'm not on vacation now -- I apparently have a cold |
| 19:09.22 | d-lo | bah, bummer. Painful cold or just annoying? |
| 19:10.53 | brlcad | just annoying |
| 19:11.18 | d-lo | well I suppose thats the better of the two :/ |
| 19:11.20 | starseeker | driving too fast with the window down? ;-) |
| 19:11.41 | starseeker | saw that picture of the new car |
| 19:11.44 | d-lo | did you buy yourself a lotus for xmas? |
| 19:12.02 | d-lo | or did you just upgrade the lumina? |
| 19:12.05 | d-lo | :) |
| 19:13.38 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33468 10/rt^3/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): added serialization support for float and doubles to classess that implement DataInput and DataOutput. |
| 19:15.47 | d-lo | Professional type question (to anyone): which is a 'better' way to access the bits of any given data type? |
| 19:16.01 | d-lo | a) use bitshifting (aka << and >>) |
| 19:16.23 | d-lo | or b) use pointers and loops? |
| 19:17.16 | d-lo | are there any pros/cons that make one use better? is it situational? I understand the logic behind both approaches, I just need the 'experienced' advice. |
| 19:18.19 | brlcad | usually bitshifting but it depends what you're doing |
| 19:18.50 | brlcad | bitshifts and bitmasks are pretty straightforward |
| 19:18.54 | d-lo | serialization |
| 19:19.37 | d-lo | so the question, now is, 'Why choose bitshifting over pointers?" |
| 19:20.47 | brlcad | it still matters what you're doing, serializing what and what the constraints are |
| 19:21.04 | brlcad | how would you use a pointer to access bits? |
| 19:21.50 | d-lo | say I want to convert a float to a char[4]: |
| 19:22.15 | d-lo | char* c = (char* ) &myFloat |
| 19:23.05 | brlcad | that's not at the bit-level, that's a byte array |
| 19:23.19 | brlcad | and that'd only be valid/useful for IEEE floats |
| 19:23.29 | d-lo | then go into a 4 pass loop, incrementing the pointer each time. each pass of the loop gets a new byte. |
| 19:23.38 | brlcad | (which plenty of modern systems and compiler switches will make something non-IEEE float) |
| 19:23.45 | d-lo | right, but if you bitshift by increments of 8, its accomplishes the same thing. |
| 19:24.08 | brlcad | ah, heh -- so you don't actually need to access individual bits |
| 19:24.20 | brlcad | you're just getting at byte values |
| 19:24.32 | d-lo | I guess i didn't mention that did I :) |
| 19:24.42 | brlcad | to the contrary, you said access the bits ;) |
| 19:25.00 | d-lo | slaps his head. |
| 19:25.27 | d-lo | okay, restate above question, but use bytes instead. |
| 19:26.18 | d-lo | If I am mandating c99 compliance, is there still an issue with running into non IEEE floats/doubles? |
| 19:27.05 | brlcad | for breaking something up into byte values, that's where htond/htonf/htonl/htons come from, so you get consistent access |
| 19:27.10 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:27.16 | brlcad | c99 doesn't require ieee floats |
| 19:27.46 | brlcad | it's an independent complaince that has more to do with hardware and compiler optimization options |
| 19:28.31 | d-lo | easy enough fix :) I will just put it in the docs: No non-IEEE floats. Done. :D |
| 19:29.25 | brlcad | those are the kinds of bugs that usually take weeks to isolate |
| 19:29.31 | d-lo | Hrm, perhaps I am just thick, but I don't see how htond/htonf/htonl/htons will help me convert from byte array's to various data types... |
| 19:29.39 | brlcad | because it will work just fine in one environment |
| 19:30.50 | d-lo | I thought that htond/htonf/htonl/htons where just int to int converters designed to re-arrange bytes, not break them down or build them up for you. |
| 19:31.30 | d-lo | so is there *any* way to completely mandate IEEE floats? |
| 19:35.22 | brlcad | htonf/htond are specifically for floating point types, turns a float into a 4-byte array and a double into an 8-byte array |
| 19:35.52 | brlcad | passes through a cast and then relies on configure and run-time tests to determine the format for proper packing/unpacking |
| 19:37.09 | d-lo | oh duh, those two are in the brlcad source and not part of the c/c++ stdlib.... right? |
| 19:37.35 | brlcad | and no, at least not realiably. I actually think there's an assumption in the code now that has been causing a superbly obscure dbio bug because of non ieee floating point formats getting serialized/deserialized incorrectly |
| 19:38.04 | brlcad | right, c99 wouldn't touch the floating point types because of the IEEE issues |
| 19:39.31 | brlcad | doubles are really the tricky ones |
| 19:39.58 | d-lo | its only 4 more bits :) |
| 19:39.59 | brlcad | since many hardware (particularly older hardware, but even some modern) will do all sorts of encoding tricks to make doubles perform fast |
| 19:40.08 | brlcad | 4 more bytes :) |
| 19:40.16 | d-lo | slaps his knee |
| 19:40.23 | d-lo | this could be a funny ongoing joke. |
| 19:41.20 | d-lo | well, thats just it.... how much 'older' hardware are we looking to support? My opinion is little to none. |
| 19:42.42 | brlcad | by the way, if you actually end up needing a bit vector, bu_bitv's are the way to go for bit buffers less than or equal to 32 bits |
| 19:43.13 | brlcad | it is little to none for the new stuff, but like I said -- it's still one modern hardware |
| 19:43.55 | brlcad | Many compilers (including GCC and Visual Studio) can break IEEE just by turning on a basic level of optimization |
| 19:44.41 | brlcad | then you end up with a maze of compilers and compiler switches to try to accommodate, it gets really messy and complicated pretty quickly |
| 19:45.32 | d-lo | Thats easy to fix. :D Make them have to run on RHEL4/64 on x86 using gcc :) |
| 19:46.13 | d-lo | muwahahaha |
| 19:47.36 | brlcad | even not compiling on older hardware, we should still compile cleanly with as wide a variety of modern environments as possible to keep the maintenance burden low and longevity high |
| 19:48.08 | brlcad | still, in this case, it should be pretty trivial |
| 19:48.19 | brlcad | you run the numbers through the function, have your byte array, pack it |
| 19:48.47 | brlcad | it's less work than even if you could assume IEEE floats and could just cast |
| 19:52.44 | d-lo | how many 'older' systems to htonf and htond support? (also are there ntohf and ntohd?) |
| 19:54.05 | brlcad | yes, they'd be pretty useless without the reverse :) |
| 19:54.43 | brlcad | hton[fd] go back supporting systems about 15 years or so old |
| 19:54.44 | d-lo | Hey now, I have been burned badly before by not asking the 'stupid' questions ;) |
| 20:01.39 | brlcad | starseeker: any idea why bob changed the args for tire to require the top-level name? |
| 20:05.59 | starseeker | not really |
| 20:06.17 | starseeker | probably didn't want to deal with the case of looking for a pre-existing "tire" in the db |
| 20:06.57 | brlcad | actually, it does a check for existing name |
| 20:07.22 | starseeker | in that case, no clue |
| 20:07.34 | starseeker | want me to ask? |
| 20:09.21 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33469 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/tire.c: document the -w option, sort the args by their help order |
| 20:15.36 | brlcad | starseeker: nah, I think it was just a cop-out |
| 20:22.54 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33470 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/tire.c: make the top-level object name optional since it's not required if the user specified -a to autogenerate. also readd the -n option to specify the name via an option. |
| 20:25.07 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33471 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am tire.c): |
| 20:25.08 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: make tire use the libged ged_tire() interface instead of replicating nearly all |
| 20:25.08 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: of the code identically. looks like the libged interface actually works too. |
| 20:25.08 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: one side-effect is that we have to create the file before arguments are |
| 20:25.09 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: validated (so we have to delete the file on failure). begs for some sort of |
| 20:25.11 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: callback or more intelligent options. |
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| 11:54.24 | d-lo | Mornin all. |
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| 15:19.51 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33477 10/rt^3/trunk/include/ (59 files in 8 dirs): Removed some namespacing, it served no purpose. WS, Header and footer formatting. |
| 15:39.27 | starseeker | chuckles at the tire.c file in the proc-db directory - surely the first time a proc-db's core logic consists entirely of calling a function in a library :-) |
| 15:42.33 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r33478 10/rt^3/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): gave some flesh to the core interface: the combination object (at least for testing purpose) |
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| 15:55.12 | starseeker | brlcad: I just tried mged -c tire.g tire -d 395/85R20 -g 40 -p 2 -u 70 tire |
| 15:55.23 | starseeker | got a file named tire.g and the correct tire inside of it |
| 15:55.56 | starseeker | maybe it would make sense to retire the proc-db command? |
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| 16:05.51 | brlcad | starseeker: possibly, but for now it's at least a decent example of having a routine that wraps libged |
| 16:06.01 | brlcad | definitely not a proc-db any longer, but still worth having |
| 16:06.48 | brlcad | and that example alone has had me thinking about a few problems with the libged interface that need to be sorted out |
| 16:07.50 | brlcad | not that it matter, but the one in proc-db is probably 10-100 times faster than going through mged, if performance matter (which it obviously doesn't for this) |
| 16:21.11 | d-lo | brlcad: how ya feelin? |
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| 16:50.10 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33479 10/rt^3/trunk/ (68 files in 9 dirs): Removed more namespacing, still serves no purpose. WS, Header and footer formatting. |
| 17:31.28 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33480 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/ (Makefile.am tire.xml): Add docbook version of tire man page. |
| 17:31.57 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33481 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am tire.1): Delete old version of tire man page from proc-db |
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| 20:47.19 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33483 10/rt^3/trunk/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Added three subclasses to NetMsg to support the Network Protocol. |
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| 23:14.13 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33484 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_ogl.c: |
| 23:14.15 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: the X11/StringDefs.h header is from Xt .. but it isn't clear that anything from |
| 23:14.17 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: Xt is still being used in here (and more importantly, it seems to compile just |
| 23:14.19 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: fine without this header). remove it from the list so we don't need to check |
| 23:14.23 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: for it in configure (nor require libXt-devel as a dependency hopefully). |
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| 04:34.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | . |
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| 04:43.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | does anyone know the current progress of the step interpreter? or perhaps how people can help with that? |
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| 04:48.36 | ashishrai | Hi All !!!! |
| 04:49.44 | ashishrai | I am a multi-touch enthusiast and I would like to develop a multitouch interface with brl-cad, a cad system with multi-touch will be very cool - what do you say !! |
| 04:51.17 | Ralith | ashishrai: That would be pretty neat. I look forward to seeing your work. |
| 04:53.07 | ashishrai | Thanks Ralith :) |
| 04:54.19 | ashishrai | i was researching about a good opensource cad software and i feel that brl-cad would be the best |
| 04:54.41 | Ralith | It's pretty much the only noteworth entry in the field, as far as I know. |
| 04:55.09 | ashishrai | i have good working experience with multi-touch ( developed both some hardware and software ) but i am totally newbie to brl-cad |
| 04:55.18 | ashishrai | can you please help to how and where to get started with brl-cad |
| 04:55.22 | Ralith | the code is pretty well put together |
| 04:55.40 | Ralith | well, what do you want your UI to do? |
| 04:57.14 | ashishrai | right now i am thinking of having a UI similar to google skectchup ie you can draw lines , polygons, solids etc with your hand/pen on the software |
| 04:58.01 | ashishrai | i would try to extend it so that many person can work on the same table - ie openning two or more parts , of say , the same design |
| 04:58.21 | Ralith | You should be aware that, at the moment, there's no reliable way to render regions in realtime. |
| 04:58.37 | Ralith | and as such shaded views like you describe can't yet be done. |
| 04:58.41 | Ralith | this is coming. |
| 04:58.51 | ashishrai | ok !! |
| 04:59.35 | Ralith | if you're ok with that, I *think* libwdb is the place you want to start; that's what provides an inteface for reading/writing brl-cad databases. |
| 04:59.55 | ashishrai | but still the designing part instead of from mouse and keyboard can be done a surface/table much intitutively |
| 04:59.58 | ashishrai | yeah sure :) |
| 05:00.33 | ashishrai | we have very good documents on how to use brl-cad , do we have such documentation for the code too |
| 05:01.45 | ashishrai | i am sorry if these are very vague questions , i will come back again after having a good look at the code-base :) |
| 05:02.34 | ashishrai | i will concentrate on libwdb - thanks very much for help :) |
| 05:04.10 | Ralith | I'm not sure how well documented the code is in general, but I know a lot of effort has gone into it lately |
| 05:04.18 | Ralith | it's certainly worth looking at. |
| 05:04.24 | Ralith | if only to judge its quality. |
| 05:04.32 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: how would you like to help with it? |
| 05:04.48 | brlcad | (and yes, I know the status of it -- it's one of my current tasks) |
| 05:06.15 | brlcad | ashishrai: that sounds pretty interesting -- are you interested in hooking multitouch into the existing modeling interface (mged) or working on a new interface or something else? |
| 05:07.00 | brlcad | libwdb is only for creating geometry -- not so hot for editing in general since you can't read geometry that has been written out |
| 05:07.08 | brlcad | for full read/write, you use librt |
| 05:07.35 | brlcad | libwdb is an interface on top of librt |
| 05:08.16 | brlcad | the code is pretty well documented, but it is a massive code base (more than a million lines) so there are plenty of places that are over-commented and under-commented |
| 05:09.13 | Ralith | librt seems more monolithic the more I hear about it :/ |
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| 05:09.36 | ashishrai | how about say from the gesture recognition code i have known that till now the user has drawn a line from this point to that and then i would like to invoke the command from brl-cad to display that |
| 05:09.45 | ashishrai | i would like to first start with this basic one |
| 05:10.14 | brlcad | Ralith: librt isn't a million lines .. :) |
| 05:10.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also interested in multi-touch, but i cannot help/use in the near future |
| 05:10.37 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 05:11.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hello, yukonbob |
| 05:11.07 | ashishrai | then when the user will complete the polygon it will be displayed as a polygon which then again can be stretched in a direction to create a solid |
| 05:11.08 | brlcad | librt is basically the file format (.g), basic in-memory geometry representation, and ray-tracing |
| 05:11.12 | yukonbob | evening, doctor |
| 05:11.14 | brlcad | no more, no less |
| 05:11.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am still learning to code, so nut much help there |
| 05:11.40 | brlcad | 168k lines at a glance in librt |
| 05:11.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | however, i am can help test/debug |
| 05:12.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am still studying the ISO standard now |
| 05:12.23 | ashishrai | any sort of help will be highly appreciable :) |
| 05:12.30 | brlcad | ashishrai: the issue with a brl-cad interface is that we don't do much at all with 2D entities -- most of the interactions are in 3D space creating 3D objects directly |
| 05:12.32 | ashishrai | i am completely newbie :) |
| 05:13.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | my overall plan is to develop an opensource system to do rapid prototyping, with scale-to-manufacturability |
| 05:13.28 | brlcad | it would be really interesting to have a gesture for the various primitives, editing operations, and view manipulations .. |
| 05:13.49 | ashishrai | cant we draw things like lines planes etc in 3d too |
| 05:13.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes |
| 05:13.56 | ashishrai | yes true :) |
| 05:14.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes to brlcad |
| 05:14.38 | brlcad | ashishrai: you can, but we focus on solid modeling -- with is intrinsically 3D, objects that occupy a volume |
| 05:15.07 | brlcad | so instead of "draw me these four lines, make a square, extrude it to make a box", we go directly to "make be a box with these dimensions" |
| 05:15.20 | brlcad | s/be/me/ |
| 05:15.48 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: understandable that you'd be learning the code -- can you do more than test/debug, though? :) |
| 05:15.53 | ashishrai | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.07 | brlcad | we're not exactly ready for testing/debugging just quite yet (maybe in a few weeks) |
| 05:16.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, it will take me longer than that to learn C |
| 05:16.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i was just now working on python |
| 05:16.50 | ashishrai | editing of a design on multi-touch surface will also be very great - eg a team working on it |
| 05:16.53 | brlcad | ashishrai: that's my point -- our basic primitives are not 2D entities, they're 3D ones -- so the gestures would have a domain to work within |
| 05:17.31 | jonored | Dr_Phreakenstein: You're aware of the RepRap open-source rapid prototyping machine and all that, right? Sounds related, and you're not in their channel here :) |
| 05:17.54 | brlcad | ashishrai: here is a basic overview of our fundamental entity types |
| 05:17.57 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/primitives/Primitives3_grouped.png |
| 05:19.16 | Ralith | Dr_Phreakenstein: open source rapid prototyping, hm? Ever heard of reprap? |
| 05:19.24 | ashishrai | but how , from the user point of view , can i directly describe such a primitive on a multitouch surface |
| 05:19.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nope |
| 05:19.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | just looked up |
| 05:19.38 | Ralith | Dr_Phreakenstein: you'll love it. |
| 05:19.44 | brlcad | ashishrai: that would be the trick/work/task :) |
| 05:19.48 | Ralith | open source sub-$1k FDM machine. |
| 05:19.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | pretty neat, and a great starting point |
| 05:20.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am thinking larger than that, and with a high degree of automation |
| 05:20.21 | ashishrai | one way can be - there can be a menu to be selected and then the user can edit it and view it in a intuitive way |
| 05:20.46 | Ralith | Dr_Phreakenstein: automation in what way? |
| 05:21.10 | brlcad | ashishrai: complex gestures for complex shapes, for example .. a "d" gesture might make a cylinder or an "o" might make a sphere |
| 05:21.54 | brlcad | or yeah, they select a gui option .. "create torus" .. then the gesture would be specific to the parameters for the torus |
| 05:22.15 | jonored | But it's a lot of basic development done, and if you can be compatible you've got a lot of people who would be interested. But the rapid prototyping talk probably would fit better over in #reprap :) |
| 05:22.41 | yukonbob | ashishrai: have you heard of Jeff Han? |
| 05:22.42 | brlcad | basic 3D view manipulation using gestures is something that would be interesting/useful to have by itself without even considering editing options |
| 05:22.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still working on overall plan, however, the original idea was for people to be able to submit something, and i build and assemble it for them... |
| 05:23.02 | Ralith | hey jonored! I was about to mention you. |
| 05:23.13 | ashishrai | hmmmm , so where should i start looking in the code where say i can invoke a command with required argumnts |
| 05:23.14 | ashishrai | yukonbob: yeah sure |
| 05:23.18 | ashishrai | he is the bond |
| 05:23.30 | yukonbob | ?"the bond" |
| 05:23.39 | Ralith | Dr_Phreakenstein: I wouldn't call that open source rapid prototyping. |
| 05:23.41 | ashishrai | i think he is collaborating with Autocad to develop such a thing |
| 05:23.50 | brlcad | ashishrai: a good starting point would be the view gestures that were worked on for blender: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Manual/Gestures |
| 05:23.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | it started with circuit boards, where you would send art, i would cut a circuit, and a shipping label would be in a printer |
| 05:24.02 | Ralith | Dr_Phreakenstein: I'd call that Yet Another Commercial RP service :P |
| 05:24.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, the overall scheme is larger than that |
| 05:24.20 | brlcad | implementing something like that for mged or archer would be pretty straightforward |
| 05:24.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | up to that point, you are correct |
| 05:24.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | my idea would be based on all open source software |
| 05:25.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i could do the work for you, |
| 05:25.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | or set up the facilities for you to have some or all of your own capabilities |
| 05:26.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | it would have to scale up or down |
| 05:26.14 | ashishrai | very good and it will be a good starting point - after that i will know/think of some editing capabilities too :) |
| 05:27.13 | brlcad | ashishrai: the places to look for mged and archer are in src/mged and src/archer respectively .. they are two rather different modeling interfaces (both are C+Tcl hybrid code bases) one in production use, the other a new prototype interface |
| 05:27.38 | brlcad | mged on the C side would probably be the easiest to get started with unless you know Tcl |
| 05:27.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, part of that is developing /good/ cnc controllers using step-nc, with emc2, on realtime linux |
| 05:28.31 | ashishrai | great !! thanks brlcad :) |
| 05:28.54 | yukonbob | brlcad: how is archer these days? |
| 05:29.28 | brlcad | yukonbob: coming along well actually .. bob has been testing most of his big libged refactoring efforts by putting the changes into archer first |
| 05:29.53 | brlcad | so now archer can do almost everything mged can do via the command line |
| 05:30.30 | yukonbob | brlcad: that sounds like an excellent way to do development on it... :) |
| 05:30.34 | yukonbob | ?screenshots? |
| 05:30.37 | brlcad | so archer is fully hooked into libged, and now he's working on integrating libged back into mged (which will help archer as well) |
| 05:31.07 | brlcad | yukonbob: mm.. don't have any fresh ones on me at the moment |
| 05:31.35 | brlcad | there is the old one int /tmp/ if you've never seen it at all |
| 05:31.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i look forward to any improvements to archer |
| 05:32.39 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/Archer_0.5prototype.png (from like three years ago) |
| 05:33.15 | Ralith | not bad. |
| 05:33.55 | brlcad | if archer can get all of mged's command line functionality, and a few portions of the gui-only functionality that it's missing, it'd be viable to supplant mged after an alpha/beta testing period |
| 05:34.25 | brlcad | that'd be a ways down the road, though, as mged's gui functionality is pretty substantial compared to archer |
| 05:34.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, but archer is pretty |
| 05:35.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 05:35.04 | Ralith | ^ |
| 05:35.28 | brlcad | and the same could have been said about mged's command-line functionality compared to archer, but here we are 6-months later or so and they're nearly unified |
| 05:35.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am impressed |
| 05:36.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is some pretty substantial work |
| 05:36.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | there will never be a replacement for a good command line |
| 05:37.02 | yukonbob | "supplant" -- how so? |
| 05:37.05 | yukonbob | get rid of mged? |
| 05:37.46 | brlcad | as in replace it eventually if/when it encompassed most of the same functionality |
| 05:37.57 | yukonbob | frowns |
| 05:38.05 | brlcad | why? |
| 05:38.13 | brlcad | it's not like mged goes away |
| 05:38.16 | yukonbob | i _like_ mged ;) |
| 05:38.36 | brlcad | it'd be more like the two would merge .. they *are* effectively merging by the nature of refactoring mged into a libged |
| 05:38.45 | Dr_Phreakenstein | there is a certain difficulty in maintaining parallel implementations of a given functionality |
| 05:38.48 | brlcad | making them both use the same editing library |
| 05:39.02 | yukonbob | if it's all still there in some way, that's fine... a window in archer, and a way to hide archer's button panels |
| 05:39.52 | yukonbob | enjoys writing his code in Tcl anyway, and [source]ing it... |
| 05:39.55 | brlcad | yeah, it wouldn't be hard to add an option to make archer spit out three windows instead of one to make it closer to mged |
| 05:40.15 | brlcad | mged actually already has the logic in it to make it a single-window app instead of the multi-window default it does now |
| 05:40.20 | yukonbob | procedural constructive solid geometry |
| 05:40.34 | brlcad | it was just never fully stabilized as that same mod added tear-off menus and other glitz |
| 05:40.55 | brlcad | and the tear-off's didn't behave quite right iirc (for the ones that are dynamic) |
| 05:41.19 | brlcad | yukonbob: you do know that archer is more Tcl than mged is? :) |
| 05:41.27 | yukonbob | archer has always been good-looking, and it's nice to hear it's progressing... and coding against the libs can only be good for all involved, so "here's to archer" |
| 05:41.51 | yukonbob | re: archer and Tcl -- no... I think I'm starting to like it more |
| 05:41.53 | yukonbob | :) |
| 05:41.59 | yukonbob | LOL |
| 05:42.02 | brlcad | it's actually pure tcl |
| 05:42.20 | yukonbob | that's _really_ nice to hear. |
| 05:42.53 | yukonbob | still needs to get his system stable, and then I'll do more than just "talking" about rendering and using the editors :P |
| 05:42.54 | brlcad | well, that and it has a package load that hooks into C for the state management and geometry processing (via libged and librt) |
| 05:43.08 | brlcad | instead of an embedded tcl interpreter, it is just a tcl script that kicks off |
| 05:43.27 | Ralith | brlcad: archer is tcl? really? I didn't know TCL could look decent :P |
| 05:43.29 | Ralith | tk that is. |
| 05:43.36 | brlcad | Ralith: yeah, no kidding :) |
| 05:43.52 | yukonbob | ! |
| 05:43.53 | brlcad | there are a lot of tricks and tweaks off of the defaults to make it look sane like that |
| 05:44.09 | yukonbob | shame -- Tk has been undergoing a facelift for years now |
| 05:44.18 | yukonbob | tile, ttk |
| 05:44.20 | brlcad | it does get a bad rap |
| 05:44.46 | yukonbob | people look at screenies from the 80's and say "that doesn't look modern" |
| 05:45.06 | brlcad | and mostly just because a handful of the widget defaults were braindead dumb .. some guy's pet peave on the way he wanted it |
| 05:45.16 | brlcad | tile/ttk are pretty cool.. |
| 05:45.48 | yukonbob | goes to grab food... |
| 05:46.00 | brlcad | little harder to use and the widgets aren't as fleshed out, but it's a vast improvement |
| 05:46.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tcl/tk can look quite good, same as qt3, and is quite stable and robust |
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| 06:07.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | find -type f|cat|wc -l |
| 06:07.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 36591 |
| 06:07.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | total lines in brlcad svn |
| 06:07.45 | louipc | clear |
| 06:07.50 | louipc | oops |
| 06:08.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | clear |
| 06:08.17 | louipc | only 36k lines? |
| 06:08.23 | Ralith | that doesn't sound right |
| 06:08.24 | louipc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.29 | louipc | ;) |
| 06:08.32 | Ralith | more likely. |
| 06:09.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hmmm |
| 06:09.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oops |
| 06:09.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | files |
| 06:09.53 | louipc | you want `find -type f -exec cat {} \; | wc -l` I guess |
| 06:10.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 11860839 |
| 06:10.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cat `find -type f`|wc -l |
| 06:11.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sorry, tired |
| 06:11.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 11,860,839 (commas added for emphasis) |
| 06:12.11 | louipc | wow my computer is so slow |
| 06:12.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | executing that command? |
| 06:12.50 | louipc | can't be 11M though... |
| 06:12.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | took 3.512 real seconds |
| 06:12.52 | louipc | that's crazy! |
| 06:13.03 | louipc | yes I run a pIII |
| 06:13.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, that is not just source |
| 06:13.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is everything |
| 06:13.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | which means that if there is a cr/lf in a png, it is counted |
| 06:13.55 | louipc | yea |
| 06:14.13 | Ralith | louipc: why can't it be 11M? |
| 06:14.34 | Ralith | Dr_Phreakenstein: try -iname '*.c??' -or -iname '*.h??' |
| 06:14.54 | louipc | Dr_Phreakenstein: is that on the svn checkout or on an extracted tarball? |
| 06:14.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cat `find -type f`|grep .h|wc -l |
| 06:15.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 1967863 |
| 06:15.23 | louipc | Ralith: seems like 10 times what I thought it was around |
| 06:15.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | .c yields |
| 06:15.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 2998240 |
| 06:15.49 | Ralith | Dr_Phreakenstein: ...why didn't you just do what I suggested :P |
| 06:15.50 | louipc | oh wow |
| 06:16.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | already executed mine |
| 06:16.07 | Ralith | louipc: brl-cad is big. |
| 06:16.23 | louipc | i know |
| 06:16.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, that includes css files |
| 06:17.30 | louipc | Dr_Phreakenstein: is that on the svn checkout? |
| 06:17.33 | louipc | 11M? |
| 06:17.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but mine includes other erronious things |
| 06:17.45 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes |
| 06:17.53 | louipc | because you'd get all the .svn stuff then |
| 06:18.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | according to the over simplified, unfiltered command above |
| 06:18.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | true, so not perfect |
| 06:18.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still impressive |
| 06:18.49 | louipc | the number will be a lot smaller without .svn |
| 06:19.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | perhaps |
| 06:19.46 | Ralith | still >1M |
| 06:20.23 | louipc | no. of files minus .svn = 11131 |
| 06:20.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, but those are small files |
| 06:20.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cat `find -type f`|grep -v .svn|wc -l |
| 06:20.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 11838213 |
| 06:21.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | compare to |
| 06:21.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 11860839 |
| 06:21.22 | louipc | hmm interesting |
| 06:22.14 | louipc | I think you have to put the grep inside the ` ` though |
| 06:22.28 | louipc | try that :P |
| 06:23.35 | Ralith | heh |
| 06:23.48 | Ralith | louipc: I was referring to LoC |
| 06:24.18 | louipc | the history is probably bigger than the actual codebase |
| 06:24.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | good catch |
| 06:25.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cat `find -type f|grep -v .svn`|wc -l |
| 06:25.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 5615906 |
| 06:25.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.28-gentoo |
| 06:25.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | make distclean |
| 06:26.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | time cat `find -type f`|wc -l |
| 06:26.07 | louipc | so you finally got the 'real' number hehe |
| 06:26.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 10122684 |
| 06:26.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah |
| 06:26.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is much more believable |
| 06:26.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 5.6 million |
| 06:26.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's a lot o characters |
| 06:27.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | over half the size of the linux kernel |
| 06:27.48 | louipc | you should subtract the blank lines hehe |
| 06:28.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, this is fun, but i don't have all night |
| 06:28.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if i was going to do that, i ought to be more productive than counting |
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| 11:35.58 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
| 11:36.54 | starseeker | snnnnooorrreeeee |
| 11:37.32 | starseeker | d-lo: Wow you're an early riser :-P |
| 11:37.57 | starseeker | shakes head and faces up to the reality of having to drive before 7am... |
| 11:41.09 | d-lo | up at 0415 to be @ work by 0615 ;) |
| 11:42.05 | d-lo | throws a bucket of ice water on starseeker. 'Mornin Sunshine!' |
| 11:43.10 | starseeker | is nocturnal by inclination :-P |
| 11:43.58 | d-lo | has choosen to sync 'sleeping habits' with his wife... works out much better in the end ;) |
| 11:44.30 | starseeker | understandable :-) |
| 11:45.02 | d-lo | based on irc activity, quite a few 'cadheads' are either nocturnal or on the other side of the globe :) |
| 11:45.24 | Ralith | nocturnal here |
| 11:47.13 | d-lo | Ralith: Washington state? |
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| 11:57.56 | starseeker | yukonbob: Here's a reasonably recent image: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/archer.png |
| 11:58.42 | starseeker | knows he shouldn't use tire so much, but in this case bob wrote a plugin for tires which is visible on the right. |
| 11:59.34 | d-lo | Wow. Thats a *Nice* tire! Only the combination of a sexy Cad system and brilliant programmers could have come up with that! |
| 11:59.43 | d-lo | :D |
| 12:15.39 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33486 10/rt^3/trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Added Getters n Setters to the NetMsgs |
| 12:16.49 | archivist | starseeker, how long did it take to create |
| 12:20.58 | brlcad | starseeker: nice |
| 12:21.58 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: try running sh/enumerate.sh .. that will give a more accurate file/line count |
| 12:23.49 | brlcad | (which will report even non-blank lines too) |
| 12:25.36 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33487 10/rt^3/trunk/ (17 files in 4 dirs): Re-org NetMsg and subclasses into dedicated dir |
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| 12:54.02 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33488 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/enumerate.sh: update the enumeration to more accurately count documentation line counts (wasn't counting the docbook xml files, was counting cmakelist build files and svn files) and 3rd party sources (wasn't counting the c++ sources). |
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| 14:33.56 | yukonbob | starseeker: re: archer - nice! thx |
| 14:34.06 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33489 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (15 files in 2 dirs): More mods related to MGED using libged. |
| 14:53.19 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33490 10/rt^3/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added NetMsg subclass: GeometryManifestMsg |
| 14:54.48 | d-lo | make oddness :/ its not seeing files that are there and seeing other files that aren't there...... ghost in the shell :/ |
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| 17:08.11 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33491 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: Added ged_output_handler. Output from rt, rtcheck, rtedge, etc. is restored. |
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| 17:16.15 | csanyipal | Hello! |
| 17:18.32 | csanyipal | I'm making a tutorial for my pupils. I want to ask you about Ellipsoid Generic (ellg) that can be find in the "Introduction to the MGED" tutorial at page 261. |
| 17:19.06 | d-lo | Ask away! |
| 17:19.28 | csanyipal | I can't figure out what is the Chord length, l? |
| 17:19.54 | csanyipal | I can't find it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsoid |
| 17:24.10 | d-lo | don't quote me on this, but if you look at the drawing on p261, I believe the Chord length is the distance between B and C.... |
| 17:26.07 | d-lo | i *think* an ellg is merely an ell with v->c being equal to v->b and l = b->c. |
| 17:27.04 | d-lo | similar is the ell1. Instead of controlling l (as in the ellg), one controls r (which is v->b AND v->c) |
| 17:27.22 | d-lo | again, don't quote me :) |
| 17:28.03 | csanyipal | d-lo: ok, I'll think about what did you say! :) |
| 17:28.06 | d-lo | wait for brlcad and/or starseeker and/or anyone else with a firmer grasp on BRL-CAD's ellipsoid implementation |
| 17:28.22 | csanyipal | d-lo: ok |
| 17:34.38 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33492 10/rt^3/trunk/ (14 files in 6 dirs): Finished implementing GeometryManifestMsg. Cleaned up a segfault in netMsgSerialTest |
| 17:42.50 | csanyipal | I try to create an ellg and I think I figure out what is the Chord length: it is the Major Axis of the Ellipse.. |
| 17:45.16 | csanyipal | I'm sure about this. :) |
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| 17:45.28 | d-lo | alrighty then. Good on ya! |
| 17:45.45 | csanyipal | d-lo: Thanks anyway! :) |
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| 18:10.55 | d-lo | hai ``Erik_ ! |
| 18:12.21 | d-lo | kicks CIA-31 |
| 18:12.21 | CIA-31 | ow |
| 18:12.25 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33493 10/rt^3/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Consolidated ibme/gs/ge related binary generation into src/iBME. Moved all test source files into src/test/ |
| 18:12.31 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33494 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/streamSerialTests.cxx: Added streamSerialTests.cxx into src/test/ |
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| 19:29.03 | d-lo | kicks CIA-31 |
| 19:29.04 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33495 10/rt^3/trunk/src/GeometryService/ (GeometryService.cxx gsph0.cxx netMsg/NetMsg.cxx): Work towards having a bare bones (aka running) geometry service. Starting from a simple tcp echo server for initial phase. |
| 19:29.14 | CIA-31 | ow |
| 19:29.29 | d-lo | must be cold. CIA is a bit slow :P |
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| 19:43.12 | bjorklinux | i figured this would be the best place to ask... what's cigi? |
| 19:43.27 | bjorklinux | as in http://cigi.sourceforge.net |
| 19:43.31 | bjorklinux | anything to do with brlcad? |
| 19:44.49 | d-lo | ... Common Image Generator Interface? Centre for International Governance Innovation? Chicago Interface Group, Inc? |
| 19:46.23 | bjorklinux | the image generator bit. |
| 19:47.00 | d-lo | Not that I am aware of. I am pretty sure that CIGI has everything to do with realtime simulation. |
| 19:48.12 | bjorklinux | hmm. |
| 19:48.40 | d-lo | how did you connect CIGI to BRLCAD? |
| 19:49.02 | bjorklinux | it had lots of graphics :) |
| 19:49.11 | bjorklinux | also 'image generator' |
| 19:49.22 | bjorklinux | i thought i'd start here for clues |
| 20:27.19 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33496 10/rt^3/trunk/src/iBME/Makefile.am: integrated gsph0 into the build system. |
| 20:38.07 | csanyipal | so long! |
| 20:48.14 | brlcad | d-lo: that sounds right regarding ellg and ell1 .. just different knobs so you can specify them more intuitively depending on what measurements/constraints you have |
| 20:48.43 | brlcad | they really should all three be collapsed into one primitive with variable typein interfaces, but they're just old history |
| 20:52.18 | brlcad | bjorklinux: we have nothing to do with cigi |
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| 22:40.15 | bjorklinux | thanks brlcad. |
| 22:49.27 | brlcad | bjorklinux: sure .. if you want to do something with us/them -- go for it ;) |
| 23:59.08 | ``Erik | huh, elise 0-60 4.9, skidpad .97 M3 0-60 4.8, skidpad .98... you're just half a hair behind me, boy :D *duck* |
| 00:00.11 | ``Erik | 1/4 elise=13.9 m3=13.3 |
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| 00:28.52 | ``Erik | *autopeen* |
| 00:39.19 | louipc | how does the m3 go around turns though? |
| 01:11.47 | ``Erik | skidpad is .98 |
| 01:13.00 | ``Erik | elise scores .97, most sedans seem around .75 |
| 01:13.29 | ``Erik | corvette z06 seems to get 1.060 |
| 01:14.38 | ``Erik | (that's lateral g-force before traction loss) |
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| 05:16.39 | starseeker | wooo hooo - rockbox ftw! |
| 05:17.40 | starseeker | should sleep now... |
| 05:19.18 | Ralith | rockbox is indeed awesome |
| 05:19.21 | Ralith | has it on an iaudio |
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| 06:38.25 | brlcad | hum |
| 06:39.42 | brlcad | ``Erik: not likely the way you drive.. that difference is easily made up :) |
| 06:41.27 | brlcad | not that I'd likely ever try to push the car anywhere near the triple redlining it'd take to get up to that speed exactly that quickly |
| 06:44.08 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, work might go and get me Apple certified |
| 06:44.27 | PrezKennedy | then i can serve you guys your poison fruit... mwahaha! |
| 06:44.48 | Ralith | PrezKennedy: by which I'm sure you mean 'maintain a OSX distribution' :D |
| 06:44.58 | Ralith | or do we already have that? |
| 06:45.47 | brlcad | ``Erik: plus there are varying other reports outside of what lotus reports that usually show different numbers so there is some fudge in there (e.g., http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?article_id=1949§ion_id=31&page_number=7 ) |
| 06:45.57 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: heh |
| 06:46.30 | PrezKennedy | if work is paying for it, ill use it! |
| 06:50.17 | brlcad | that's the spirit ;) |
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| 12:11.04 | nice | hello |
| 12:11.04 | nice | hi |
| 12:11.04 | nice | koi to bolo |
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| 14:12.38 | brlcad | patience young padawan |
| 14:16.49 | ``Erik | brlcad: there are places where I light up and zoom, I'm just sedate 99% of the time :D there are places where I feel the frame twist daily from cornering, and places were I spin up the tires... pretty much daily :( mebbe that's why I only got 10 months off the last set of rears |
| 14:17.24 | ``Erik | r&t rated the 0-60 on the m as 4.5s, don't remember what the skidpad was |
| 14:18.03 | ``Erik | fast cars are scary |
| 14:18.18 | ``Erik | <-- mostly afearin' hitting the brakes and the guy behind not having the same stopping ability |
| 14:19.02 | ``Erik | one of these days, we'll have to swap cars driving out to lunch or something ;) *duck* |
| 14:23.02 | clock_ | ``Erik: the stopping ability is determined mostly by the tyre and road material which is roughly the same isnt it? |
| 14:24.11 | ``Erik | and the ability to dissipate heat, and the ability for the vehicle to not flip, and... supposedly the average sedan can do a stop from 100-0kph in 60m, I can in 36 |
| 14:24.20 | ``Erik | supposedly |
| 14:24.53 | ``Erik | then when you have things like SUV's and pickups on the road, they stop slower, I had a gentle stop a while back in rain, and the truck behind me kept losing traction and going side to side, fortunately the driver blew into a side lane :( |
| 14:25.07 | ``Erik | I don't think he was paying attention and hit the brakes too late and too hard, though |
| 14:25.38 | clock_ | who cares about losing traction? |
| 14:25.43 | clock_ | traction is just for comfort... |
| 14:25.46 | ``Erik | for fun, I've started seeing how fast I can stop just before a 90 degree turn, it's more than half what my small street pickup could've done |
| 14:25.58 | ``Erik | uhm, well, I'd get uncomfortable if someone rear-ended me :D |
| 14:26.32 | clock_ | I found out since I ride snowboard I have a natural reflex to handle skids |
| 14:26.42 | clock_ | I do automatically what people are taught in the skid schools |
| 14:26.56 | clock_ | cause with snowboard you do skids all teh time ;-) |
| 14:27.06 | ``Erik | <-- points out that he's not concerned about himself losing traction, he's concerned about someone else losing traction and hitting him |
| 14:28.06 | ``Erik | when I was 17, I took a beat up pickup out to gravel roads and drove like an idiot, did the same on snow and ice... I can control my vehicle well enough in traction loss situations :D I'm concerned about the idiot that hits me |
| 14:29.01 | ``Erik | my one vehicle mistake was pushing things hard on an unknown road, if it didn't crest and turn at the same time (reducing normal force) and LOOK like it went straight, I would've been fine |
| 14:29.49 | ``Erik | but I've witnessed many accidents from people who simply don't understand the limits of the {vehicle,road,conditions} and don't know how to react when things go sour |
| 14:29.56 | clock_ | what is crest |
| 14:30.03 | ``Erik | um, over teh top of a hill |
| 14:30.40 | clock_ | well if you lose contact with the ground you cannot steer the vehicle anymore |
| 14:31.07 | ``Erik | I didn't go airborne, but the cresting reduced my traction enough that I couldn't stick through the turn |
| 14:31.14 | ``Erik | then there was a tree |
| 14:31.29 | ``Erik | jumped out of nowhere, I tell ya, they're sneaky devils |
| 14:31.38 | clock_ | yeah they like made of rubber |
| 14:32.03 | clock_ | did it want you to take it for a hitchhike? |
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| 16:09.16 | louipc | wow multi-user version-controlled geometry services eh |
| 16:12.12 | louipc | that may intersect with one of my projects - the multi-user version-controlled services part at least heh |
| 16:13.52 | ``Erik | sticks his finger up his nose |
| 16:20.15 | PrezKennedy | you're pointing at your brain! |
| 16:20.42 | ``Erik | yes, pheer my awesome aim, I can point at dust on a fleas ass from 20 klicks out |
| 16:21.57 | PrezKennedy | oh yeah well i can point at a star hundreds of light years away |
| 16:22.58 | louipc | stars are huge though |
| 16:23.08 | ``Erik | stars are pretty damn big, I mean, if you compare arcseconds of a typical star vs flea assdust twelve and a half miles away... |
| 16:23.35 | PrezKennedy | youll have to computer it and let me know what the difference is :) |
| 16:23.40 | PrezKennedy | *compute |
| 16:24.29 | ``Erik | nah, I have lunch to attend to, but you'd better have the answer on my desk by COB, mr! |
| 16:32.36 | PrezKennedy | "Apart from the sun, the star with the largest angular diameter from Earth is R Doradus, a red supergiant with a diameter of 0.05 arcseconds." |
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| 17:25.38 | brlcad | waves to MinuteElectron |
| 17:32.49 | MinuteElectron | hi, brlcad |
| 17:33.58 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: happy holidays, how've you been? |
| 17:34.45 | MinuteElectron | thanks, i've been ok a bit depressed recently but I managed to get myself some freelance work so it's not all bad |
| 17:34.50 | MinuteElectron | yourself? |
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| 17:40.14 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: oh, pretty good -- having fun adjusting my lifestyle a little bit |
| 17:40.23 | brlcad | but now about ready to get back to working on more code |
| 17:40.38 | brlcad | sorry to hear about being depressed.. that sucks! |
| 17:40.39 | MinuteElectron | ah, nice; did the move go well? |
| 17:41.24 | MinuteElectron | yeah, stress and what not all built up since the summer |
| 18:14.01 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: yeah, the move went great .. still shopping for some furniture and knocking holes in walls but making progress |
| 18:42.20 | ``Erik | if I did my math right, the average speck of dust at 20km will be 0.0000103 arcseconds |
| 19:05.08 | ``Erik | (defun rad2arcsec (rad) (/ rad (/ pi 648000))) |
| 19:05.08 | ``Erik | (defun arcsec (opp adj) (rad2arcsec (atan (/ opp adj)))) |
| 19:05.14 | ``Erik | pheer my nerdiness |
| 19:14.26 | archivist | hehe we used to spec a torque meter in height in New York from the UK |
| 19:14.59 | archivist | the resolution of the shaft twist |
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| 19:45.51 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33497 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: susan's middle name started with an A |
| 19:51.11 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33498 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make.c: Tweak the parameters of the following primitives to give better results wrt the view: grip, hyp, part, rcc, rec, rhc, rpc, tec, tgc, trc and all arbs |
| 19:52.49 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33499 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am src/README src/mk/ src/shapes/): |
| 19:52.49 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: rename the old 'mk' tools to just generalized 'shapes' as in tools that create |
| 19:52.49 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: objects corresponding to various prescribed shapes. thanks to steven kennedy |
| 19:52.49 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: for the mini-nomenclature brainstorming session result. tools still need to |
| 19:52.51 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: have the mk_ prefix removed for simplicity. |
| 19:56.04 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33500 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): move the tire tool into the 'new' shapes directory. |
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| 20:02.34 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33501 10/brlcad/trunk/ (26 files in 2 dirs): renamed all of the mk_ binaries to remove the mk_ prefix so it's just 'window' 'handle' 'gastank' 'wire' 'window' 'winfrm' 'handle' and 'bolt' now. |
| 20:11.51 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33502 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): move the fence tool from proc-db to shapes |
| 20:32.55 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33503 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/scale.c: Fixed the sscanf statement in ged_scale_args. |
| 20:35.42 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33504 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/ (12 files): remove the mk_ prefix references now that they're renamed. |
| 20:36.35 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33505 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (conv/bot_dump.c libged/bot_dump.c): This fixes bug 2279400 (i.e. but_dump -u option problems) |
| 20:44.57 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33506 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/ (bolt.c gastank.c handle.c window.c winfrm.c wire.c): clean up header comments to be consistent with the other sources (no authorship or complication instructions, that's for docs). some ws cleanup too. |
| 20:50.10 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33507 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/ (bolt.c gastank.c handle.c window.c winfrm.c wire.c): remove gratuitous spacing |
| 20:54.25 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33508 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/ (bolt.c gastank.c handle.c window.c winfrm.c wire.c): ws alignment cleanup |
| 21:00.24 | ``Erik | one of these days, I'll figure out not to bother updating during a flurry O.o |
| 21:34.17 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33509 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (picket_fence.1 picket_fence.c): cleanup the picket_fence proc. fix a crashing bug on not testing for valid inputs, ws/style/indent, validate numeric args. |
| 21:41.28 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33510 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ged.c: Set initial view scale to 500. |
| 21:46.07 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33511 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (attach.c mged.c setup.c): A little cleanup and a minor mod that fixes a solid edit illumination problem that crept in with the push to use libged. |
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| 23:20.27 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/paper.html |
| 23:24.14 | alex_joni | ``Erik: lol |
| 23:24.35 | ``Erik | (it was in a place where you had to click on thumbnails to view each one, so I figured I'd glue it together for ya'll) |
| 23:27.14 | alex_joni | luckily opera has a zoom function :) |
| 23:28.47 | alex_joni | lol @ works cited / tubgirl |
| 23:29.53 | ``Erik | firefox3 zooms images when you zoom text |
| 23:30.07 | alex_joni | cool, older ones didn't |
| 23:30.14 | ``Erik | just before it came out, I put some javascript zoom on click code in my comic page :/ |
| 23:30.25 | alex_joni | although you could zoom using mouse gestures |
| 23:30.47 | alex_joni | but you had to zoom individual images |
| 23:31.39 | ``Erik | yeah, firefox had an addon called "imagezoom" that give you zoom options with various click combos |
| 23:32.04 | ``Erik | <-- tried to push opera on his parents to get them off of ie, was using galeon at the time |
| 23:33.03 | alex_joni | chrome is really nice |
| 23:33.52 | ``Erik | haven't tried it yet *shrug* supposedly it's very fast |
| 23:34.00 | alex_joni | it is |
| 23:34.22 | alex_joni | well, only a couple months away from mac and linux versions |
| 23:34.46 | ``Erik | I thought those were out |
| 23:34.50 | ``Erik | where's my freebsd version? |
| 23:34.58 | ``Erik | where's my haiku version? |
| 23:34.58 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:35.34 | alex_joni | not yet |
| 23:42.44 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33512 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/picket_fence.c: move the -r option to before the waypoints so that it's easier book-keeping. maybe cliff can fix the bug with a simple two-point fence where it creates a top-level null combination. |
| 23:45.09 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33513 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): move picket_fence from proc_db over to the 'new' shapes directory. seems to work well enough now, minus one top-level bug with two points. |
| 23:50.57 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33514 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/ (winfrm.1 winfrm.c): rename winfrm to window_frame |
| 23:52.17 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33515 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/ (Makefile.am window_frame.1 window_frame.c winfrm.1 winfrm.c): rename winfrm to window_frame. avoid unnecessary name obscurity. |
| 23:53.18 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33516 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/ (bolt.1 gastank.1 handle.1 window.1 wire.1): remove a few missed Mk_ prefixes |
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| 00:42.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: You're running haiku? |
| 00:43.34 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm being nominated to fix picket fence? |
| 00:43.36 | starseeker | makes note |
| 00:50.53 | ``Erik | nope, starseeker, I just like being a pita |
| 00:51.21 | ``Erik | haiku is more up jay-lo and brlcad's alley, I'm more of a unix classicist, more likely to have hpux, aix, or *bsd |
| 00:52.43 | ``Erik | this is annoying, I wanna go poop, but I don't wanna miss the end of this atlantis, I haven't seen it before |
| 00:52.47 | ``Erik | curses his lack of tivo |
| 00:56.53 | ``Erik | O.O |
| 00:57.02 | ``Erik | wow, I'm glad I didn't leave, that was... not very tv like |
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| 01:47.10 | starseeker | heh - boing |
| 01:47.34 | ``Erik | eh? |
| 01:47.44 | ``Erik | keep your boners private, boy |
| 01:48.40 | starseeker | no no - brlcad's in and out of the channel |
| 01:48.49 | starseeker | what was the weird ending - movie like? |
| 01:49.48 | ``Erik | um, on atlantis, two people were body swapped, one was about to be killed, they unfuxxed the body swap, the one with the gun to the head said "no, it's me" and started spouting facts, the dude with the gun said "I don't believe you", cut to black, bang |
| 01:50.51 | ``Erik | thinks the writers heard about the cancellation before writing the last few episodes and said "fuck bubblegum and lollipops, let's do it good" |
| 01:51.47 | ``Erik | this episode has been fairly dark and grim, highly unusual (using marylin manson and johnny cash in the audio), ... I'm actually excited to see the next :D |
| 01:52.59 | starseeker | ah |
| 01:53.10 | starseeker | cheerful |
| 01:53.51 | ``Erik | ah, this'd be the episode lee talked about, with the 5mph a10's |
| 01:54.18 | Ralith | ``Erik: yeah, but you *know* cut-to-black-bang means someone *else* got shot or something. |
| 01:54.45 | ``Erik | nah, was a one-shot character |
| 01:54.48 | Ralith | also 5mph a10s would be pretty awesome for the first few seconds |
| 01:54.50 | Ralith | oh, ok |
| 01:54.50 | ``Erik | who was a "grey" figure |
| 01:54.52 | Ralith | in that case awesome |
| 01:55.02 | Ralith | (after the first few seconds they would run out of ammo) |
| 01:55.20 | ``Erik | I d'no, a10's carry a LOT of 30mm rounds |
| 01:55.32 | Ralith | hm? I thought all they had was the big axial gun. |
| 01:55.34 | ``Erik | they could burn off the gun a dozen times over with the their load |
| 01:55.44 | Ralith | 'burn off'? |
| 01:55.46 | ``Erik | they have the big 30 up front, plus whatever's on the pods |
| 01:55.59 | ``Erik | uhm, guns generate heat, heat dissepation is an issue |
| 01:56.05 | Ralith | ah yeah. |
| 01:56.10 | Ralith | that thing's only 30mm? |
| 01:56.10 | ``Erik | portable machine guns have big air coolers, some even had water coolers |
| 01:56.19 | Ralith | could've sworn it was bigger. |
| 01:56.27 | Ralith | anyway, you know how fast it fires |
| 01:56.29 | ``Erik | 30mm DU rounds will punch through just about any tanks top armor |
| 01:56.39 | ``Erik | most aircraft carry 14.4 or 20mm |
| 01:56.50 | ``Erik | with a fraction of the load of an a10 |
| 01:56.59 | Ralith | it might carry tons of ammo but it fires at ridiculous rates |
| 01:57.11 | ``Erik | oh yeah |
| 01:57.19 | ``Erik | but it can only do short bursts before it has to stop to cool |
| 01:57.28 | Ralith | point |
| 01:58.00 | Ralith | someone should apply the a10 concept to a helicopter :D |
| 01:58.23 | ``Erik | um |
| 01:58.26 | ``Erik | they call it the apache? |
| 01:58.29 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:58.44 | ``Erik | ah64? |
| 01:59.02 | ``Erik | or, dare I say it, the HIN-E |
| 01:59.05 | PrezKennedy | they brought the heli concept over ti planes with a-10 is more like it |
| 01:59.12 | PrezKennedy | *to |
| 02:00.00 | ``Erik | a10 is '72, ah64 is '81 |
| 02:00.05 | ``Erik | care to rethink? :D |
| 02:00.21 | ``Erik | all hail wikipedia |
| 02:01.07 | Ralith | ``Erik: bah, rocket pods don't count. |
| 02:01.28 | Ralith | I mean ridiculously huge gun :D |
| 02:02.00 | Ralith | (although recoil would probably crash the thing) |
| 02:02.20 | ``Erik | the nose gun on the ah64 is pretty brutal, especially with the helmet controlled aim |
| 02:02.30 | Ralith | they have helmet controlled aim? |
| 02:02.32 | Ralith | cooool |
| 02:02.45 | ``Erik | yeah, the gunner looks at the target, the 30mm gun points there |
| 02:02.58 | ``Erik | there's a reticule on a flip down pane that provides crosshairs |
| 02:03.08 | Ralith | that's pretty awesome |
| 02:03.24 | Ralith | hopefully it aligns quickly? |
| 02:03.26 | ``Erik | it's an m230, not a gau8, slower rate of fire, MUCH smaller ammo suppy |
| 02:03.28 | ``Erik | instantly |
| 02:03.36 | Ralith | nice! |
| 02:03.50 | ``Erik | the apache one is a single bolt feeder, the a10 one is a 6 barrel gattlign |
| 02:04.12 | ``Erik | again, heat dissipation issue :D |
| 02:04.18 | Ralith | yup. |
| 02:04.35 | Ralith | I want a helicopter gunship :( |
| 02:04.55 | Ralith | is it still a practical antitank weapon at low rates of fire like that? |
| 02:05.02 | ``Erik | meh, if your'e gonna go to a gunship, why not get an ac130? |
| 02:05.16 | ``Erik | yes, the bullets penetrate most top armor |
| 02:05.25 | PrezKennedy | <3 ac-130 |
| 02:05.41 | ``Erik | howitzer with wings |
| 02:05.42 | PrezKennedy | favorite part of the movie Transformers is when they call in one of those |
| 02:06.09 | Ralith | ah, that thing |
| 02:06.29 | Ralith | eh, hard to be personal about it when you're that far away. |
| 02:06.37 | Ralith | and none of the awesome heli maneuvering, either. |
| 02:06.43 | ``Erik | tanks are built with most of the armor on the front glacis, the big deal about the tow missile is that it flies OVER the target and shoots down, into the thinner top armor... aircraft happen to always hit the top armor |
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| 02:07.36 | ``Erik | hehehe, screw heli maneuvers, a specters usual pattern is to acquire an "orbit" and pummel the target from like ten miles out |
| 02:07.59 | Ralith | yeah, I know |
| 02:08.03 | Ralith | but it's not as cool :( |
| 02:08.26 | ``Erik | well, it's like comparing drag racers to formula 100's |
| 02:08.33 | ``Erik | they're built for very different purposes |
| 02:08.54 | Ralith | yup |
| 02:49.09 | ``Erik | itches to jabber about spoilers O.o |
| 03:06.28 | Ralith | ? |
| 03:12.37 | ``Erik | stargate atlantis |
| 03:12.56 | ``Erik | it ended much putzier than I woulda hoped, given the two preceding episodes :( |
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| 03:39.37 | brlcad | ``Erik: it's not over, though -- they've openly said there will be at least one or probably two movies coming out afterwards |
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| 04:09.33 | ``Erik | guess that'd explain the putz ending |
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| 04:34.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | . |
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| 10:27.04 | csanyipal | howdy! |
| 10:29.30 | csanyipal | I'm making a tutorial for my pupils, using the "Introduction to MGED" tutorial. I get an error message in MGED when doing: menu / Edit / Primitive Editor |
| 10:29.52 | csanyipal | This is at page 49 in the tutorial. |
| 10:30.05 | csanyipal | The error message is: |
| 10:32.44 | csanyipal | extra switch pattern with no body, this may be due to a comment incorrectly placed outside of a switch body - see the "switch" documentation extra switch pattern with no body, this may be due to a comment incorrectly placed outside of a switch body - see the "switch" documentation while executing "switch -glob $fe_type {# bu_vls type arguments are %V, char arrays are %s.# XXX - %S is DEPRECATED [7.14]{%*[sSV]} { if $do_gui {en..." |
| 10:32.44 | csanyipal | (procedure "esol_build_form" line 49) invoked from within "esol_build_form $id $w $esol_control($id,type) $vals 1 1 1" (procedure "esol_build_default_form" line 22) invoked from within "esol_build_default_form $id $w.sformF" (procedure "init_edit_solid" line 90) invoked from within "init_edit_solid id_0" invoked from within ".topid_0.#topid_0#menubar.#topid_0#menubar##id_0#menubar#edit invoke active" ("uplevel" body line 1) inv |
| 10:32.45 | csanyipal | oked from within "uplevel #0 [list $w invoke active]" (procedure "cad_MenuInvoke" line 33) invoked from within "cad_MenuInvoke .topid_0.#topid_0#menubar.#topid_0#menubar##id_0#menubar#edit 1" (command bound to event) |
| 10:32.59 | csanyipal | Is this a bug? |
| 10:40.28 | csanyipal | I have BRL-CAD version 7.14.1 from SVN. |
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| 12:38.22 | brlcad | csanyipal: yep, that's probably a very recent bug (probably specific to 7.14.1) |
| 12:47.22 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33517 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/Makefile.am: there are no longer manpages in this dir to dist |
| 12:50.27 | csanyipal | brlcad: Thank You! |
| 12:52.18 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33518 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 12:52.18 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: bob fixed a recently introduced issue with the make command in mged where it was |
| 12:52.18 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: creating objects using object keypoints instead of the view center. this was |
| 12:52.18 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: reported by butler et al via sf bug #2279233 (mged "make" command changed). |
| 12:54.14 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33519 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: related to the make command fixes, bob also tweaked the scale sizes for various primitives including grip, hyp, part, rcc, rec, rhc, rpc, tec, tgc, trc and all arbs |
| 12:56.12 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33520 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 12:56.12 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: bob fixed the -u option to bot_dump so that the user can specify units. the |
| 12:56.12 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: problem was simply that argument processing wasn't reading the unit value |
| 12:56.12 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: (missing colon on getopt). this fixes the sf bug #2279400 (bot_dump -u option |
| 12:56.14 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: problems) reported by butler et al on the modeling team. |
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| 19:07.48 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33521 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c: |
| 19:07.50 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: fix the long-standing load problems with finding itcl.tcl at runtime when we're |
| 19:07.52 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: not installed yet. it turns out that incrTcl doesn't use the auto_path to look |
| 19:07.54 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: for its own files, it uses an init script that only checks relative to |
| 19:07.56 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: tcl_library and the ITCL_LIBRARY environment variable. we can't use the prior, |
| 19:07.58 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: so we use the latter. |
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| 19:20.33 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33522 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c: |
| 19:20.33 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: add some protections so that the user can still manually override ITCL_LIBRARY |
| 19:20.33 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: and ITK_LIBRARY and have the values respected. we do only respect it, though, |
| 19:20.33 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: if we find an itcl.tcl and itk.tcl file there otherwise the automatic searching |
| 19:20.34 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: still tries to find a match. |
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| 22:08.20 | csanyipal | Hello! I try to use the Overlap Tool - brlcad version 7.14.1 |
| 22:09.49 | csanyipal | I can't get such an image as in the "Introduction to MGED" tutorial at page 53. |
| 22:10.00 | csanyipal | How can I get this picture? |
| 22:18.06 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33523 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 22:18.08 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: fixed a run-time failure where mged would fail to start up giving an error |
| 22:18.10 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: saying it couldn't find the itcl.tcl file. the problem is due to incrTcl |
| 22:18.12 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: ignoring the auto_path during Itcl_Init(), so it needed a little more |
| 22:18.14 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: encouragement via setting ITCL_LIBRARY. |
| 22:34.12 | brlcad | csanyipal: that picture was probably made by intersecting the two primitives and then just ray-tracing it |
| 22:39.15 | brlcad | if you want a quick review of overlaps, you can run "rtcheck" on the command-line (rtcheck -s### so set the sample density) |
| 22:39.28 | brlcad | rotate the view after you run the command to see the overlapping segments |
| 22:39.54 | brlcad | the Overlap Tool basically does the same thing, be sure to rotate the view after running a check |
| 22:47.04 | csanyipal | brlcad: Thank You! |
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| 23:05.26 | csanyipal | So long! |
| 00:08.05 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33524 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: getting incrTcl subconfigure to work would be kind of a waste of time given how much it's radically changed for the pending 4.0 release that has a drastically changed build system. |
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| 02:32.12 | yukonbob | hey cadheads |
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| 02:38.20 | bjork_ | such a word exists? |
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| 02:54.13 | brlcad | apparently ;) |
| 03:48.44 | brlcad | struggles to find a way to make incrTcl work with system tcl/tk |
| 04:10.54 | Ralith | suggests bribery |
| 04:15.15 | brlcad | has a plot developing |
| 04:36.48 | Twingy | PEANUT BUTTAH JELLY TIME!@! |
| 05:00.55 | brlcad | peanut buttah jelly with a baseball bat! |
| 05:02.20 | poolio | Heh, I have a friend who dressed up in a banana suit and went around singing that for halloween :) |
| 05:02.44 | brlcad | hehe |
| 05:15.30 | Twingy | polishes up gcam for release tomorrow |
| 05:18.28 | DanielFalck | hey Twingy, what's new in gcam? |
| 05:18.53 | Twingy | DanielFalck: hi |
| 05:19.37 | DanielFalck | Twingy: does it run under Mac OS X? |
| 05:20.24 | Twingy | no more cut/paste/move prev move next, replaced with drag and drop in treeview, object picking in 3D window, material origin selection, improved pocketing code, several bug fixes, flip direction, and adding helical tool paths in sketches atm |
| 05:20.39 | Twingy | DanielFalck: yea, if you have gtk + gtkglext + opengl |
| 05:20.59 | DanielFalck | ok, I might be able to get them installed here |
| 05:21.18 | Twingy | after I get ubuntu .deb package done I need to talk to emc guys to get it onto live CD |
| 05:21.24 | Twingy | after that I need to update the manual |
| 05:22.20 | DanielFalck | I have gtkglext1 in fink, cool |
| 05:22.39 | Twingy | after that I am extending the Y axis on my mill an extra 4 inches, machining out a new bedway and rails |
| 05:23.00 | Twingy | I need to be able to cut 9" diameter for a vacuum chamber I'm working on |
| 05:23.27 | DanielFalck | 9" diameter what? |
| 05:23.34 | Twingy | circle |
| 05:24.44 | DanielFalck | in aluminum? |
| 05:25.04 | Twingy | acrylic, the bed way is T-6061 aluminum, the rails are T-306 stainless |
| 05:25.45 | Twingy | then I am junking the 1/4 HP AC motor for a 3-phase brushless |
| 05:25.54 | Twingy | much smaller and more efficient |
| 05:26.05 | Twingy | and I can wire speed controller into the xylotex for digital control |
| 05:27.43 | Twingy | I've had about 20 orders come to the house in the last month |
| 05:29.33 | DanielFalck | you make vacuum chambers commercially? |
| 05:30.40 | Twingy | no no, this is for a flywheel project I'm doing |
| 05:30.48 | DanielFalck | oh, ok... |
| 05:32.50 | Twingy | hopefully another 9 months doesn't go by before the next release |
| 05:33.49 | DanielFalck | do you have dxf import in gcam? |
| 05:34.31 | Twingy | that's next ver |
| 05:34.45 | Twingy | I've got all the contouring algorithms done when I did the RS274X code |
| 05:34.53 | Twingy | so it should be fairly painless |
| 05:35.23 | Twingy | I just don't want to get bogged down in writing too much software in one stint |
| 05:35.39 | DanielFalck | do you do offset contour pocketing? |
| 05:35.39 | Twingy | gcam is second to my projects |
| 05:35.58 | Twingy | the contour pocketing is in the same boat, the algorithms are there I just haven't tied them into the sketches yet |
| 05:36.33 | Twingy | there's a ton of low hanging fruit in gcam right now, just limited amount of time to do stuff |
| 05:36.37 | DanielFalck | I've been told that the algorithms for pocketing are pretty hard |
| 05:36.57 | DanielFalck | I might be wrong... |
| 05:38.47 | Twingy | well zig zag is trivial, it's just horizontal lines with a finish pass |
| 05:39.06 | Twingy | there are papers on the contouring, but honestly it's not as complicated as people make it out to be |
| 05:39.08 | DanielFalck | how about offset contour with islans? |
| 05:39.16 | DanielFalck | islands- |
| 05:39.28 | Twingy | exactly, so I have an algorithm that does line/line line/arc arc/arc intersections |
| 05:39.29 | DanielFalck | that's the one everyone seems to avoid |
| 05:39.44 | Twingy | and I can set a negative offset and perform the intersections |
| 05:40.02 | Twingy | once the offset gets to a point where 0 area exists then it's done |
| 05:40.37 | Twingy | so it's basically just a for loop calling this function over and over decreasing the offset by the radius of the end mill |
| 05:40.58 | Twingy | and the islands just form as a result of the intersections |
| 05:41.30 | Twingy | all that intersection code was kind of a headache to write, but it has so much application |
| 05:41.47 | DanielFalck | I hope you get that one going. Nobody else seems to be working on it in the OS world |
| 05:42.19 | Twingy | I put in a formal application to GNU community for GNU approval |
| 05:42.32 | Twingy | I think it has enough critical mass to be looked at seriously |
| 05:43.06 | Twingy | and I think once the contour pocketing and STL/DXF is done it's going to put a number of those less $100 software packages out of business |
| 05:43.09 | DanielFalck | what does the GNU approval do for the project? |
| 05:43.22 | Twingy | it means that if you log into the gnu ftp site you'll see gcam there |
| 05:43.27 | DanielFalck | ok |
| 05:43.34 | DanielFalck | just like gcc |
| 05:43.37 | Twingy | right |
| 05:43.43 | Twingy | it'll probably be real close to gcc :) |
| 05:44.20 | Twingy | they advocate using guile for the development environment but we'll see about that :) |
| 05:44.22 | DanielFalck | yes |
| 05:45.01 | Twingy | I just keep chipping away at it |
| 05:45.24 | Twingy | I worked on large software project before this called Nurbana, but I am now convinced I lost interest because I didn't use it in my projects |
| 05:45.34 | Twingy | I am using GCAM on a weekly, some times daily basis |
| 05:45.40 | Twingy | it's the perfect synergy |
| 05:48.27 | DanielFalck | fink didn't have gtk+2.10 , so I'm downloading something from the Gtk+ site for os X now |
| 05:48.30 | DanielFalck | 2.14 |
| 05:50.07 | Twingy | ah |
| 05:50.16 | Twingy | what did it have? |
| 05:50.22 | DanielFalck | 2.6.10 |
| 05:50.31 | Twingy | oh wow, that is ancient |
| 05:50.37 | Twingy | that is like 5 years old |
| 05:50.45 | DanielFalck | yeah, fink is really old in the tooth |
| 05:51.06 | Twingy | that came out long before dapper drake |
| 05:51.14 | DanielFalck | it's been several years since I've used a mac at home and Linux is much nicer for source code |
| 05:51.27 | Twingy | I jut got a black berry with blue tooth modem tethering |
| 05:51.28 | DanielFalck | I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 on this box |
| 05:51.32 | Twingy | I set it up on my mac in like 30 seconds |
| 05:51.44 | Twingy | I can surf the net at about 1Mb now anywhere |
| 05:52.08 | Twingy | works from ubuntu as well |
| 05:52.14 | Twingy | I love it |
| 05:52.52 | Twingy | I got a little USB thing http://www.cirago.com/images/bluetooth/Cirago_BTA3210_2.jpg |
| 05:53.00 | Twingy | I can plug it into desktop computers and they can surf the net too |
| 05:53.54 | Ralith | Twingy: oo, you're the gcam guy? |
| 05:54.02 | Twingy | Ralith: yes! |
| 05:54.17 | Ralith | how hard do you think it would be to add fused deposition modelling support? |
| 05:54.34 | Twingy | you just need a command to turn the head on and off right? |
| 05:54.50 | Twingy | and it's an additive process instead of subtractive |
| 05:54.51 | Ralith | as far as tool control? yeah |
| 05:55.03 | Twingy | right? |
| 05:55.06 | Ralith | yes |
| 05:55.10 | Twingy | should be trivial |
| 05:55.12 | Ralith | that's the bit I'd expect to cause probl-- |
| 05:55.14 | Ralith | awesome! |
| 05:55.33 | Twingy | in terms of rendering the final object I just invert the bit on the voxels |
| 05:55.38 | Twingy | so they appear instead of dissapear |
| 05:55.52 | Ralith | what sort of files can gcam take? |
| 05:56.06 | Twingy | Ralith: only gerber files for circuit boards, next version will have DXF/STL stuff |
| 05:56.15 | Twingy | version after that I plan on support 4D and 5D mills |
| 05:56.31 | Ralith | er, you have (and have had for a long time) screenshots w/ 3D stuff |
| 05:56.53 | Twingy | there will be a few minor releases in bewtween the next two major releases |
| 05:57.07 | Twingy | to improve performance and 3D rendering I think |
| 05:57.15 | Ralith | so 3D is not actually currently supported? |
| 05:57.19 | Twingy | it is |
| 05:57.27 | Ralith | how, if all you can take is gerber? |
| 05:57.27 | Twingy | wire frame and voxel view |
| 05:57.42 | Twingy | the rendering is done based on the tool paths and a hunk of material in gcam |
| 05:57.50 | Twingy | it mills away material |
| 05:57.55 | Twingy | you click render and you see the final part |
| 05:58.00 | Ralith | er, doesn't gcam generate the toolpaths? |
| 05:58.02 | Twingy | yes |
| 05:58.10 | Twingy | but you can preview what your part will look like |
| 05:58.14 | Ralith | what does it generate the toolpaths from? |
| 05:58.24 | Twingy | it's coarse, but it's a good way of checking before you cut it out |
| 05:58.33 | Twingy | the tool paths come from my libgcode |
| 05:58.39 | Twingy | it's thousands of lines of code |
| 05:58.45 | Ralith | where does it get the information with which to generate the toolpaths |
| 05:58.49 | Ralith | it's not telepathic |
| 05:59.07 | Twingy | the GUI, you create sketches, bolt holes, drill holes, etc |
| 05:59.17 | Twingy | you see it in wire frame |
| 05:59.26 | Ralith | so it can't import models at all? |
| 05:59.35 | Twingy | only gerber right now |
| 05:59.41 | Ralith | gerber doesn't do models |
| 05:59.41 | Twingy | next version will be dxf/stl |
| 05:59.42 | Ralith | it does PCBs |
| 05:59.45 | Twingy | correct |
| 05:59.51 | Ralith | so it can't import models. |
| 05:59.57 | Ralith | damn. |
| 06:00.16 | Twingy | it's already in bugzilla as a feature request |
| 06:00.27 | Ralith | no plans for including BRL-CAD databases in the list of supported formats in the near future? |
| 06:00.42 | Twingy | supporting brl-cad would be quirky |
| 06:00.54 | Twingy | you would be better off exporting dxf/stl from brl-cad |
| 06:01.13 | Twingy | assuming brl-cad dxf/stl is working now |
| 06:02.39 | Twingy | just to give you an arbitrary date, let's say beginning of summer for dxf/stl support |
| 06:05.33 | Ralith | exporting STL is lossy |
| 06:05.45 | Ralith | you can't represent anything smooth |
| 06:08.09 | Twingy | right, but keep in mind gcode natively only supports lines and arcs |
| 06:08.57 | Twingy | some of the objects in brl-cad could be turned into piece wise arcs, but for the most part it will have to be tesselated anyway to get into arcs or lines |
| 06:09.04 | Ralith | stl doesn't support arcs. |
| 06:09.14 | Twingy | exactly |
| 06:09.20 | Twingy | so if brl-cad has a nurbs surface |
| 06:09.33 | Ralith | it can be much more closely approximated with arcs than with lines. |
| 06:09.46 | Twingy | the spline will have to undergo decomposition into bezier curves, then into bernstein polynomials, then into arcs |
| 06:09.52 | Ralith | or, at worst, approximated with similar accuracy with much less data. |
| 06:10.36 | Twingy | it would be a great deal of code to recognize the 20 or 30 primitives in brl-cad and figure out how to decompose those into arcs properly |
| 06:10.56 | Twingy | especially with boolean operations |
| 06:11.19 | Twingy | brl-cad ray traces the CSG to get the final result |
| 06:11.29 | Ralith | and you could take advantage of that raytracing. |
| 06:11.38 | Twingy | and ray tracing is tesselating |
| 06:11.40 | Ralith | you don't have to reinvent the wheel. |
| 06:11.53 | Twingy | how is ray tracing different from tesselating? |
| 06:12.06 | Ralith | uh, it's a different thing |
| 06:12.13 | Twingy | think about it... |
| 06:12.14 | Ralith | how is solving a formula different from taking a square root? |
| 06:12.26 | Twingy | so with ray tracing you have a grid of rays |
| 06:12.35 | Twingy | and the result is a collection of intersection points |
| 06:12.44 | Twingy | the intersection points form a point cloud or mesh |
| 06:12.48 | Ralith | there's significantly more to it than that :P |
| 06:12.54 | Ralith | not only that, who said anything about a grid? |
| 06:12.54 | Twingy | the mesh is a tesselated representation of the implicit geometry |
| 06:13.14 | Ralith | BRL-CAD gives you a lot more than a point when you get a rayhit. |
| 06:13.19 | Twingy | Ralith: because you are not beam tracing, a ray is infinitely thin |
| 06:13.32 | Ralith | more than enough to accurately place circular arcs, in fact. |
| 06:14.01 | Twingy | I disagree, because you can end up resulting in moire and aliasing artificacts |
| 06:14.31 | Twingy | you have to choose the density of your grid of rays |
| 06:14.40 | Twingy | if it is not high enough you lose detail |
| 06:15.36 | Twingy | now, you could "interpolate" the results returned from the ray intersections, but you are still not exactly representing the implicit geometry |
| 06:15.46 | Twingy | because ray tracing is a form tessellating |
| 06:16.32 | Twingy | as the grid density approaches infinity the point cloud approaches and implicit representation |
| 06:18.24 | Twingy | I think you can clearly see this as an Inductive Proof |
| 06:19.29 | Twingy | DanielFalck: did gtk compile? |
| 06:32.29 | DanielFalck | I got it to build, but I misconfigured it - I have gtk libs for the old fink build along with the new one |
| 06:32.48 | DanielFalck | I'm not even sure how to clean it up and get things linked right |
| 06:33.15 | DanielFalck | I just went through this with the latest version of tcl/tk and got things sorted out |
| 06:33.23 | DanielFalck | but it takes me a while |
| 06:34.10 | DanielFalck | Twingy: visit #cam if you feel like it. there are some of us working on/playing with other os cam systems |
| 06:34.22 | Twingy | k |
| 06:34.42 | DanielFalck | Dan Heeks has some interesting stuff as does crotchet |
| 07:02.46 | Twingy | looks like he is making progress |
| 07:02.54 | Twingy | how long has he been at it? |
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| 07:14.28 | DanielFalck | I'm not sure |
| 07:14.45 | DanielFalck | he programs cam for a living |
| 07:23.35 | Twingy | so if I put him out of business that would be bad for him |
| 07:24.13 | Twingy | isn't he kind of hurting himself by giving stuff away for free if he is trying to make money off of it to survive? |
| 07:24.38 | DanielFalck | I'm not sure of the motivation. You'll have to ask hime |
| 07:24.40 | DanielFalck | him |
| 07:30.18 | DanielFalck | I'm just glad he's willing to share |
| 07:31.53 | Twingy | you can't beat free :) |
| 07:32.27 | DanielFalck | the other guy I mentioned, crotchet, is a machinist who has learned to program c++ |
| 07:33.16 | DanielFalck | he's ported over the old apt360 fortran code (in C, not C++) and has a nice app called aptsketch, that I actually use for making gcode |
| 07:33.42 | DanielFalck | it uses gtkmm and opengl |
| 07:34.21 | DanielFalck | I'm just a rookie,learning python |
| 07:44.24 | Twingy | k, I'm off to bed |
| 07:44.55 | DanielFalck | it was good chatting with you |
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| 17:21.03 | starseeker | DanielFalck: Is there a link for aptsketch anywhere? |
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| 18:02.40 | DanielFalck | http://sourceforge.net/projects/aptos/ |
| 18:04.04 | DanielFalck | another interesting project: |
| 18:04.05 | DanielFalck | http://heekscnc.blogspot.com/ |
| 18:19.28 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33525 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/incrTcl/compat/ (43 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:19.28 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: add the tcl/tk headers for 8.4 since if we're compiling against a system 8.4, we |
| 18:19.28 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: still need access to tclInt.h and friends (which are not publicly installed |
| 18:19.28 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: headers). put them in a version-specific 'compat' directory that we can later |
| 18:19.28 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: refer to via cppflags. |
| 18:19.52 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33526 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/incrTcl/Makefile.am: include compat in the dist |
| 18:27.02 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33527 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:27.02 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: if we're compiling against a system 8.4, use the newly added 'compat' headers in |
| 18:27.02 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: src/other/incrTcl/compat/8.4 so that we get the proper internal/private tcl/tk |
| 18:27.02 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: headers. this makes the entire compilation succeed using system tcl/tk with our |
| 18:27.04 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: bundled incrTcl, toggled off of the TCL_8_4_HEADERS conditional. also makes it |
| 18:27.06 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: so we can remove that tcl+itcl sanity check section that forced our tcl/tk if |
| 18:27.08 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: not 8.5. |
| 18:39.34 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33528 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: remove some dead logic, update the comment about -fast (it's because of aliasing), and remove the silly HAVE_BRLCAD conditional. |
| 18:53.19 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33529 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: too vague a task and it's an on-going one |
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| 20:49.05 | mafm | hi |
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| 22:53.18 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
| 22:53.24 | brlcad | (woo hoo, tv is now up on the wall) |
| 22:56.17 | mafm | burn it down! it only tells you lies :P |
| 22:58.57 | Ralith | hehe |
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| 23:18.38 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/project-cassandra.png <--- cassandra coming along :) |
| 23:28.38 | brlcad | mafm: hehe, so true |
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| 00:09.11 | mafm_ | sleepy time, night! |
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| 02:13.08 | starseeker | has figured out how to get videos onto rockbox Ipod <evil grin> :-) |
| 02:19.43 | Ralith | you can get videos onto rockbox anything |
| 02:19.45 | Ralith | it's pretty insane |
| 02:19.57 | Ralith | even my 4-tone-grayscale iaudio can do video thanks to rockbox. |
| 02:20.28 | madant | is flabbergasted |
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| 07:02.56 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: Itcl_Init() leaves initialization in a bad state if it fails causing a failure |
| 07:02.56 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: the second time through during initialization (we try once as-is, then once |
| 07:02.56 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: again after setting up auto_path and friends via tclcad_auto_path(). this gets |
| 07:02.57 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: rid of the failure and associated failure message. |
| 07:06.27 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33531 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (bwish/main.c mged/setup.c): comment on the stupid Itcl_Init() behavior for comprehending down the road. |
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| 10:57.31 | mafm | hallo |
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| 11:24.37 | d-lo | Mernin all. |
| 11:39.24 | mafm | mernin :) |
| 13:32.49 | brlcad | howdy |
| 13:33.12 | d-lo | howdy howdy |
| 13:33.22 | d-lo | starseeker: How did the Photoshoot go? |
| 13:33.52 | archivist | starseeker pr0n? |
| 13:33.59 | d-lo | brlcad: I can't remember, did you get the D40 or D50? |
| 13:34.27 | d-lo | archivist: Depends on your definition of that. But it involves sexy army tanks :) |
| 13:34.38 | archivist | :) |
| 13:37.10 | archivist | Im slowly researching one of the first tank experiments which was a local event |
| 13:38.11 | brlcad | d-lo: D90 |
| 13:38.27 | d-lo | ah, Samsonite. I was way off. |
| 13:39.20 | brlcad | samsonite? |
| 13:39.32 | d-lo | bad joke from 'Dumb and Dumber' |
| 13:40.17 | brlcad | ah, heh, right |
| 13:47.04 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33532 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 13:47.04 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: the incrTcl pathing issues should now all be fixed when using system tcl/tk. |
| 13:47.04 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: the result, though, is that now there is some other initialization bug that |
| 13:47.04 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: causes mged to crash (bwish works) inside the display manager on X11 calls. |
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| 14:13.18 | starseeker | d-lo: quite well, actually |
| 14:13.26 | starseeker | archivist: tank pr0n :-) |
| 14:13.32 | archivist | :) |
| 14:13.55 | starseeker | nice tank photos, was working on them this weekend actually |
| 14:13.55 | archivist | you got mk1 permission? |
| 14:14.04 | starseeker | mk1? |
| 14:14.26 | starseeker | mark 1 you mean? |
| 14:14.33 | archivist | the very early ww1 tank |
| 14:14.41 | starseeker | we switched to the Mark VIII |
| 14:14.56 | starseeker | have the handbook of the guts - very useful for this sort of thing :-) |
| 14:15.25 | starseeker | early British docs are stuck in their National Archives, but the Mark VIII was produced in the US :-) |
| 14:15.35 | starseeker | better odds |
| 14:16.15 | archivist | I have to go to London sometime to rummage for the prototype stuff |
| 14:17.26 | starseeker | cool |
| 14:18.03 | starseeker | If there is a museum somewhere that has plans for the Mark I or Mark IV and wouldn't slap copyright on any copies, that would be interesting |
| 14:18.07 | archivist | holiday work, when I get a new round tuit |
| 14:18.12 | starseeker | nods |
| 14:18.45 | archivist | differen museums have different attitudes |
| 14:19.26 | starseeker | right - but it wouldn't make much sense for an open source project to work hard to get ahold of photographs that can't be used in an open source context |
| 14:19.44 | starseeker | archivist: Your work might have more flexibility though |
| 14:20.22 | archivist | its all about generating money to sustain the museums |
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| 14:20.40 | starseeker | Oh, sure |
| 14:20.48 | starseeker | I never said I didn't understand the motivation |
| 14:21.05 | starseeker | but I happen to think it's one of the things tax dollars are SUPPOSED to be used for |
| 14:21.06 | archivist | my project will be a small book with local interest |
| 14:21.39 | archivist | UK museums are tending to be independent charities these days |
| 14:21.46 | starseeker | you never know ;-) |
| 14:23.43 | starseeker | that's a pity :-( |
| 14:23.44 | archivist | amongst the old computer collectors there is a lot of scanning and placing online going on. dont see too many companies beating them up yet |
| 14:24.16 | archivist | one or two are positively helping |
| 14:24.50 | starseeker | the distinction between "Can sue successfully, but aren't" and "Can't sue successfully" is important to a lot of folks in the open source world |
| 14:25.12 | starseeker | although the legal system is so murky sometimes I think the distinction is a bit fuzzy - see SCO :-/ |
| 14:26.05 | archivist | I watched SCO from the beginning |
| 14:26.55 | starseeker | almost wondered with that latest bit of news if SCO is deliberately trying to be the biggest jerk possible to the open source world, just for the sake of being a jerk |
| 14:27.17 | starseeker | selling off the remaining actual assets simply to pursue litigation... ugh |
| 14:27.23 | starseeker | feels queasy |
| 14:30.17 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33533 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: minor comment |
| 14:30.41 | archivist | some just dont know when they are beaten |
| 14:31.18 | starseeker | predicts some flash based game where zombies wearing the SCO logo are chasing after penguins |
| 14:31.27 | archivist | hehe |
| 14:43.24 | ``Erik | sco was a good guy in the early 80's :( it was the caldera buyout and change in mgmt that made 'em suck |
| 14:44.03 | ``Erik | and the chief jerk, darl mcbride, had fucked up a slew of other companies before the one we just happened to notice |
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| 17:03.47 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33535 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added missing newline |
| 17:08.38 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33536 10/rt^3/trunk/autogen.sh: sync from upstream (brlcad module) to get the lastest changes from sebastian. |
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| 17:18.13 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33538 10/brlcad/trunk/ (2134 files in 148 dirs): a dozen days overdue, but welcome in the Ox. hail 2009. |
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| 17:19.44 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/stealth.png <---- your svn code as of an hour or so ago :) |
| 17:20.55 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33539 10/rt^3/trunk/ (193 files in 22 dirs): welcome our Ox overlords. update copyright to 2009. |
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| 17:27.52 | brlcad | IriX64: the picture doesn't change. please no more pictures of havoc. |
| 17:28.06 | IriX64 | noted thank you |
| 17:28.58 | IriX64 | if i take that to russia, think they'll give me a ride in it :) |
| 17:30.25 | IriX64 | that tkhtml3 install thing, any word? |
| 17:30.40 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33540 10/brlcad/trunk/ (INSTALL doc/README.MacOSX): include some additional documentation on enabling 64-bit compilation and details on universal builds for mac |
| 17:31.52 | brlcad | I need more detail than "that tkhtml3 install thing" |
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| 17:36.36 | IriX64 | ill re-install and pastebin the error messsages |
| 17:40.41 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/gb5sTW33.html <--- install time error |
| 17:41.31 | IriX64 | wasn't sure i should let you see it, my system is not normal but it is unixish in nature |
| 17:46.01 | brlcad | IriX64: what's not normal is that you still say that same "my system is not normal" disclaimer after what? 3 years? |
| 17:46.49 | IriX64 | heh im "trying" to make it normal :) |
| 17:47.43 | IriX64 | figured you'd see cygdrive and be all over me :) |
| 17:48.37 | brlcad | have I ever been? |
| 17:48.45 | brlcad | you say that every time too |
| 17:48.56 | IriX64 | much to your credit as a channel op, you have ;) |
| 17:49.45 | brlcad | i've not been on you for running cygwin, I've been on you for random chatter in the channel and useless pastebins |
| 17:50.10 | IriX64 | true, ill avoid usefull pastebens like the plague |
| 17:50.38 | brlcad | as for that install error in tkhtml3, looks like maybe you're compiling against a system Tcl/Tk? |
| 17:50.56 | IriX64 | btw cp tclsh.exe tclsh85.exe works wonders as a workaround |
| 17:51.01 | IriX64 | no your tcl tk |
| 17:51.44 | IriX64 | i tried system 8.5.5, error is still there and at run time you guys tell me you have 8.5.5 but we need exactly whatever your version is |
| 17:51.54 | brlcad | then it looks like Tcl didn't compile correctly |
| 17:52.50 | IriX64 | i deinstalled my 8.5.5 |
| 17:53.16 | IriX64 | much to your credit tho configure found it and everyybody was happy at build time |
| 17:53.59 | brlcad | what? |
| 17:54.15 | IriX64 | tcl/tk8.5.5 |
| 17:54.57 | brlcad | you're not making sense |
| 17:55.03 | brlcad | is that a install failure or is it not? |
| 17:55.17 | brlcad | the pastebin indicates that it cannot run tclsh |
| 17:55.59 | brlcad | it's failing inside the init.tcl initial load script, which shouldn't happen unless you've got other parts of tcl messed up |
| 17:56.25 | brlcad | it could be a tcl build system bug, in which case you should report it to their tracker |
| 17:56.53 | IriX64 | understood |
| 17:57.55 | brlcad | can even give them the exact same pastebin text for the bug report |
| 17:58.07 | IriX64 | thanks i will |
| 17:58.10 | brlcad | could try installing tclsh first, then see if it runs |
| 17:58.22 | brlcad | i.e. just run "tclsh" .. see if it gives you that message |
| 17:59.01 | IriX64 | i get the % prompt |
| 17:59.38 | brlcad | is that the tclsh that was just built? |
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| 18:00.02 | brlcad | yukonbob: wb |
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| 18:02.26 | IriX64 | tclsh8.5 gives me a % prompt yes |
| 18:06.20 | brlcad | then it sounds like it's something screwy probably in the tkhtml build |
| 18:06.30 | brlcad | not a tcl build bug |
| 18:06.35 | IriX64 | agreed |
| 18:07.09 | brlcad | probably something with either TCL_LIBRARY or TCLLIBPATH on that line |
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| 20:50.08 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/jeep.png <--- no more havoc's :) |
| 20:51.21 | louipc | IriX64: I think the point is unless you have something original or revolutionary screenshots are not welcome |
| 20:51.28 | louipc | :P |
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| 22:53.12 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/poolio.png <--- something new :) |
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| 01:43.59 | mafm | bye |
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| 11:46.41 | mafm | hi |
| 12:07.55 | brlcad | howdy mafm! |
| 12:09.34 | mafm | sup |
| 12:09.51 | mafm | have you smashed your tv set yet? :) |
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| 01:32.40 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33541 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: few ideas that have been on mind for a while. vrml importer, brl-cad taxonomy document, and incremental raytrace-based display manager interface. |
| 01:51.45 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33542 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/html/manuals/mged/mged2.html: Fix problem with eto specification as reported in bug #2120094 |
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| 03:27.28 | starseeker | grumbles... cating mpg files together results in something that doesn't work on rockbox, and rockbox doesn't (yet) support movie playlists out of box |
| 03:28.12 | starseeker | decides to go for broke and build latest svn with patch, and crosses fingers he doesn't brick anything... |
| 03:37.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cating most types of mpeg files produces something that does not work on most things. |
| 03:37.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | main exception is if it is a streamrip |
| 03:37.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | even then, you must rebuild the index |
| 03:38.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | mencoder of the mplayer package may be your friend on this |
| 03:38.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | otherwise, try kino |
| 03:39.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://www.kinodv.org/ |
| 03:39.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (returns to topic) |
| 03:39.35 | Ralith | starseeker: you could just concat them with mencoder |
| 03:39.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | correct |
| 03:41.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | should look something like |
| 03:42.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | #mencoder file1.mpg file2.mpg -o outfile.mpg -oac copy -ovc copy |
| 03:43.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | anyone ever research STEP, or read the STEP application handbook? |
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| 04:14.29 | brlcad | starseeker: while it might work for some combinations of mpg's, I can't imagine that cat'ing together two random mpg files would work on most players |
| 04:14.43 | brlcad | invalid timestamps and sync blocks |
| 04:14.53 | brlcad | different encoding settings |
| 04:15.26 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: we've done a lot more than research it |
| 04:15.47 | brlcad | developing a step importer is one of our top priorities |
| 04:16.37 | brlcad | have not read the step application handbook, though, I must admit |
| 04:17.07 | brlcad | downloads |
| 04:21.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 04:22.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | the one i am refering to was found at |
| 04:22.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://www.tc184-sc4.org/SC4_Open/SC4_Standards_Developers_Info/Files/STEP_application_handbook_63006.pdf |
| 04:22.16 | brlcad | we have most of the rest of the spec, though, ap's 203, 214, 22, 23, 24, and 11 |
| 04:22.25 | brlcad | nods, already have it |
| 04:22.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | figured that was it |
| 04:22.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i just got it myself |
| 04:23.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | looks like a nice little read |
| 04:23.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | you mentioned an importer... |
| 04:23.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what about export? |
| 04:23.38 | brlcad | eventually, ideally yes |
| 04:23.52 | brlcad | first priority is on an importer though |
| 04:24.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i do not know, but i should think that one would facilitate the other, to an extent |
| 04:24.17 | brlcad | it's actually a funded priority, importer should be completed sometime this year |
| 04:24.29 | brlcad | to a limited extent |
| 04:24.35 | brlcad | it's a lot easier to make an exporter |
| 04:25.06 | brlcad | more grunt code in an exporter and basic architecting to let the user specify what format they want exported |
| 04:26.34 | brlcad | example, say you have a model of just an implicit sphere and a box that overlap with a CSG operation to subtract one from the other |
| 04:27.02 | brlcad | using 203 and 214, we 'could' (and ideally by default will) export exactly that, preserving our data exactly |
| 04:27.22 | brlcad | yet that's not something most CAD systems will grok |
| 04:29.16 | brlcad | other options might be to output spline-surface brep with csg operations, evaluated spline-surface brep, evaluated polygonal brep, volumetric, among others |
| 04:29.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i see |
| 04:30.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, brlcad is my cad of choice, except maybe qcad for simple 2d, until i get better with brlcad |
| 04:31.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | primarily interested in not losing any data to go to a postprocessor |
| 04:32.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | should not need much to load that into a CAM system and send to machine as STEP-NC |
| 04:32.07 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: so you're interesting in working on the step exporter? :) |
| 04:32.30 | brlcad | thinks you should 'go for it' ;) |
| 04:34.28 | Ralith | STEP-NC? |
| 04:34.32 | brlcad | be glad to help out any way I can if you do get started on it |
| 04:34.55 | brlcad | looking to use the NIST toolkit at least for importing -- not sure how helpful it would be for export |
| 04:37.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, i may not be quite up for it |
| 04:37.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still learning brlcad myself |
| 04:38.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not saying no, i just do not want to commit to something unrealistic |
| 04:39.08 | brlcad | understandable |
| 04:39.19 | brlcad | can you code? |
| 04:40.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | learning python |
| 04:40.55 | brlcad | the "learning brl-cad" part is a never-ending process (i've been 'learning' it for 10 years and don't know it all) |
| 04:41.22 | brlcad | just depends where you draw the line and what to chew off when |
| 04:41.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | at over 5 million lines, i should think not |
| 04:41.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | true |
| 04:41.38 | brlcad | it's actually only about 1 million lines |
| 04:41.56 | brlcad | just barely over 1 |
| 04:46.51 | brlcad | (don't count the sources in src/other/ and regress/ -- they're 3rd party bundled dependencies and long regression scripts) |
| 04:47.12 | brlcad | can run sh/enumeration.sh to get more details if you have a source checkout |
| 04:47.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i ran it, and it failed |
| 04:47.41 | brlcad | oh? |
| 04:47.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i used find, grep, and wc |
| 04:48.50 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/grYR4Y43.html <--- this at install time, i was hoping it was fixed since last i reported it |
| 04:49.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cat `find -type f|grep -v .svn`|wc -l |
| 04:49.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's what i used |
| 04:50.33 | brlcad | IriX64: we talked about that just *yesterday* |
| 04:51.16 | brlcad | so stop pasting it unless you figure something new out |
| 04:51.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | on svn 33542 |
| 04:51.39 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: which is why you're about 4 million lines off ;) |
| 04:51.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i would suppose so |
| 04:52.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 5644578 |
| 04:52.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is the dumb counting method |
| 04:52.13 | brlcad | can you paste the output of enumeration.sh ? |
| 04:52.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... |
| 04:53.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... |
| 04:53.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 2374 BRL-CAD Files |
| 04:53.26 | brlcad | well that much looks okay |
| 04:53.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | expr: syntax error |
| 04:53.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | expr: syntax error |
| 04:53.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | expr: syntax error |
| 04:53.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | dc: stack empty |
| 04:53.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ----------------------------------------- |
| 04:53.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | -- LINE COUNT TOTALS -- |
| 04:54.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ----------------------------------------- |
| 04:54.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.21 | brlcad | so cascade counting failure |
| 04:54.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 1564461 3rd Party Code (not counted above) |
| 04:54.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (edited for some redundancy) |
| 04:54.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | note, I am using amd64 arch |
| 04:54.58 | brlcad | btw, pastebin would probably be better for most things over just a handful of lines (for future ref) ;) |
| 04:55.04 | brlcad | that wouldn't matter |
| 04:55.12 | brlcad | it's just a shell script |
| 04:55.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, dc often fails |
| 04:55.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | have not investigated why |
| 04:55.58 | brlcad | dc is because the expr's fail |
| 04:56.40 | brlcad | expr's fail because a previous count failed |
| 04:57.40 | brlcad | aha, that's right around where it starts using awk |
| 04:57.44 | brlcad | do you have awk? |
| 04:58.15 | brlcad | and is this a linux amd64 or some other OS? |
| 04:58.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, gentoo |
| 04:59.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oh, yes |
| 04:59.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | can't get by w/out it |
| 04:59.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | GNU Awk 3.1.6 |
| 05:02.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <brlcad> thanks for tip on pastebin; i've never used it |
| 05:02.52 | brlcad | sure |
| 05:03.02 | brlcad | there are a bunch of them |
| 05:03.46 | brlcad | e.g., one at http://paste.bzflag.bz/ and .. |
| 05:03.50 | brlcad | ~pastebin |
| 05:03.50 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 05:03.56 | brlcad | few others |
| 05:04.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thanks |
| 05:04.18 | brlcad | the .com is probably the worst |
| 05:04.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | in terms of over use? |
| 05:05.16 | brlcad | overuse (lag, spam), often unreachable on various networks due to blocks/abuse |
| 05:07.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 05:07.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | will use in future |
| 05:11.13 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33543 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/enumerate.sh: try a few minor portability tweaks for the 'sum' function |
| 05:11.25 | brlcad | give that a try |
| 05:14.05 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33544 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Robert Penny reported and fixed a minor documentation bug in the mged tutorial where the 'in' command had wrong values listed (two transposed params) |
| 05:17.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://pastebin.ca/1307831 |
| 05:18.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | expires 1 hr |
| 05:23.03 | brlcad | no matter, a "no change" would have worked too in that particular instance ;) |
| 05:23.25 | brlcad | guessing it's the sum function, just not sure where/why yet |
| 05:23.37 | brlcad | adding in some debug |
| 05:28.45 | Dr_Phreakenstein | will investigate |
| 05:37.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <brlcad>please see http://pastebin.ca/1307843 |
| 05:37.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | turns out you have to run it from that dir |
| 05:38.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | please compare counts to yours to make sure they are good |
| 05:40.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i was running as sh/enumerate.sh from brlcad directory |
| 05:41.37 | brlcad | that's how I usually run it actually |
| 05:41.42 | brlcad | but that does help |
| 05:41.43 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33545 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/enumerate.sh: add some basic debugging to help isolate a problem with the tabulations on linux from Dr_Phreakenstein, can run via: DEBUG=1 sh/enumerate.sh |
| 05:47.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, this does not make sense... |
| 05:47.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i ran it from brlcad root... |
| 05:48.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | with debug, it got same count and no errors (well, + 8 lines, but that is expected from change. other count was off many thousands) |
| 05:49.53 | brlcad | what are your debug lines? |
| 05:52.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://pastebin.ca/1307850 |
| 05:55.29 | brlcad | huh, that is very odd |
| 05:55.43 | brlcad | i mean, it looks like what I'd expect |
| 05:56.20 | brlcad | everything looks fine other than it being a clean checkout count so generated files aren't counted |
| 06:00.00 | brlcad | what's odd is that it suddenly works now.. (does it work without DEBUG=1?) |
| 06:00.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | checking |
| 06:02.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sure 'nuff, looks good |
| 06:02.17 | brlcad | huh! |
| 06:06.11 | brlcad | then out of ideas beyond a shell bug or some wierd typo somewhere (which I don't see) |
| 06:07.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | neither do i |
| 06:07.39 | brlcad | and I must fold it up for tonight though, too .. early meeting later today |
| 06:07.45 | brlcad | at least it runs now |
| 06:08.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I am no sh wizard, but i vote to leave debug in there, since magic seems to work, now |
| 06:08.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | have fun at meeting |
| 06:11.05 | brlcad | yeah, will need some more work |
| 06:11.16 | brlcad | maybe more pervasive debug statements |
| 06:11.21 | brlcad | anyways, cheers! |
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| 11:32.29 | mafm | hi |
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| 12:51.28 | brlcad | howdy howdy |
| 12:52.12 | brlcad | mafm: tv is doing just fine, great actually |
| 12:53.46 | archivist | becoming a couch potato |
| 12:54.57 | mafm | but probably is telling you lies anyway :D |
| 12:58.02 | brlcad | the lies are on par with the ones I hear in real life |
| 12:58.37 | brlcad | mostly background noise while I code unless I'm watching a movie (which is what I do most of the time with it) |
| 13:00.44 | brlcad | wow, nice .. http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt |
| 13:08.34 | alex_joni | that should boost things |
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| 13:22.17 | mafm | in the last years I forgot about tv, I lived in houses without it and not missing it much, it's strange |
| 13:23.35 | mafm | hmm, LGPL as in linking non-open programs? |
| 13:24.41 | mafm | so it's now mostly like GTK |
| 13:30.44 | starseeker | 's jaw drops |
| 13:30.53 | starseeker | Uh.... |
| 13:31.11 | starseeker | Didn't that just blow Trolltech's business model away? |
| 13:31.20 | starseeker | or Nokia's now I guess? |
| 13:32.53 | starseeker | gleefully contemplates an unholy mating of QT and Ogre3d |
| 13:33.57 | starseeker | glares at rockbox's player - for some reason mpg's combined with mencoder don't give back audio |
| 13:34.13 | starseeker | Dr_Phreakenstein: thanks, that should have worked |
| 13:34.51 | starseeker | almost bricked ipod trying to build and install custom version - apparently it's VERY sensitive to which compiler version... |
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| 13:35.28 | starseeker | alright, nevermind |
| 13:35.38 | starseeker | prepares to launch back into the fray |
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| 16:24.52 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33546 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/picket_fence.c: Initialization not needed on these character arrays (i.e. they're inititialized below before being used). Besides, windows doesn't like it. |
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| 17:21.54 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33550 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: mged on mac crashes if you link against the system tcl/tk libs |
| 17:24.33 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33551 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: the fast4-g line skipping bug was fixed a while back |
| 17:27.13 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33552 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 17:27.15 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: pipe primitive no longer calls dynamic allocation during run-time thanks to |
| 17:27.17 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: john. remove the lingering default doesn't work (because it seems to work just |
| 17:27.19 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: fine and that code has changed a fair bit). also, rtwizard seems to be working |
| 17:27.21 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: just fine now too. |
| 17:30.18 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33553 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Updates to get things compiling on Windows. |
| 17:35.57 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33554 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS src/tclscripts/mged/text.tcl): |
| 17:35.59 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: mged should read just fine from stdin now with the handful of trickeries going |
| 17:36.01 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: on. this also fixes one remaining bug when reading in from stdin via gets -- |
| 17:36.03 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: was getting an error of: can't rename to "execute_cmd_save": command already |
| 17:36.05 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: exists |
| 17:39.26 | brlcad | howdy madant ! |
| 17:40.23 | madant | hi sean :) |
| 17:40.32 | madant | happy new year |
| 17:40.36 | brlcad | likewise |
| 17:40.40 | brlcad | how's the break? |
| 17:40.55 | madant | awesome till now.. |
| 17:41.07 | brlcad | classes starting back up? |
| 17:41.18 | madant | not yet |
| 17:41.39 | madant | went for some climbing towards the end of the year |
| 17:42.09 | madant | sports climbing mostly .. was fun.. i think i have wasted enough time loitering around enjoying though :D |
| 17:42.14 | brlcad | so then what's the "till now"? |
| 17:42.24 | brlcad | nods |
| 17:42.50 | madant | i might be going to an Institute for a couple of months to get exposure into some sustainable technologies |
| 17:43.25 | madant | and I have an Interview from a B-school coming up towards the end of March.. |
| 17:43.54 | madant | Imagine 200 people getting selected out of 2,80,000 :D |
| 17:44.41 | madant | and in the middle of all this I haven't been able to do a single productive thing since september :D |
| 17:44.50 | madant | how is the winter in US ? |
| 17:45.27 | brlcad | brick |
| 17:45.31 | brlcad | er, brisk :) |
| 17:46.40 | brlcad | productive, but so much going on that it's tricky to stay focused on any one task for very long |
| 17:47.02 | madant | :D I live pretty close to the equator .. so almost no winter here.. |
| 17:47.31 | brlcad | nods |
| 17:47.32 | madant | in the end to create anything of value one has to stay focused on one task for long |
| 17:48.09 | madant | geometry service coming up good ? |
| 17:48.15 | brlcad | used to have that back in the day, but seasons are nice for mixing things up every now and then (e.g., easier to code in the winter when there's really not much more you could do outside) |
| 17:48.25 | brlcad | yeah, steady pace there |
| 17:48.46 | brlcad | libged's getting tied back into mged now, which should flesh out any remaining issues |
| 17:49.18 | brlcad | the service daemon is just about ready to go on-line for simple read/write testing probably in a week or so |
| 17:49.30 | madant | what about mafm's ide work |
| 17:50.21 | brlcad | not much has changed there |
| 17:50.30 | brlcad | it's about where he left it |
| 17:50.54 | brlcad | that's one of a hundred projects I'd love to be working on |
| 17:51.14 | madant | hmm.. I am really hopeful of spending at least 15 hours per week on libpc |
| 17:51.24 | mafm | ide? |
| 17:51.35 | brlcad | the new gui |
| 17:51.36 | madant | oops i meant gui :D |
| 17:52.11 | brlcad | you going to apply to gsoc again if we participate again? |
| 17:52.32 | mafm | me? |
| 17:52.36 | madant | don't know about my student status |
| 17:52.52 | mafm | I don't think that I'll be eligible anymore |
| 17:52.55 | brlcad | an informal announcement just went out a couple days ago saying it's on again for this year |
| 17:53.02 | brlcad | mafm: oh? |
| 17:53.12 | brlcad | that partly sucks :) |
| 17:53.21 | madant | yeah i saw the group post.. lh trying to publicise :D |
| 17:53.24 | brlcad | i mean great that you're done and all, if that's why :) |
| 17:53.55 | brlcad | course, you could always continue as a mentor too ;) |
| 17:54.06 | madant | I would love to take part again.. but i think i would love to work on it before .. morally feels odd if i only work during SoC :P |
| 17:54.11 | mafm | I'm finishing the project and I have to defend it, but I don't know if that will count |
| 17:54.39 | madant | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institutes_of_Management is the B-school i was talking about :) |
| 17:54.41 | brlcad | mafm: will you still be a full-time student by the time the program begins? |
| 17:54.47 | mafm | if not I could be mentor I guess, but I don't have much experience as mentor |
| 17:55.17 | mafm | begins by the end of may? I don't think so, but not sure |
| 17:55.24 | madant | would we be getting more slots this year ? i mean more students compared to last ? |
| 17:55.59 | brlcad | madant: so why wouldn't yout have student status? those are business schools |
| 17:56.24 | madant | yeah i will have student status if I clear the interview :) |
| 17:56.53 | madant | basically .28 million people wrote in.. they have shortlisted 800 :D |
| 17:57.11 | brlcad | and no, wouldn't likely accept more slots -- that pretty much put us at effective mentoring capacity |
| 17:57.12 | madant | now i have to clear the interview to be in the 170 or so :D |
| 17:57.58 | madant | can imagine.. without good mentoring especially in such a huge code base things can go pretty crazy |
| 17:57.59 | brlcad | totally depends on the students, but if you guys had been more 'green', it could have been pretty bad with four, or could have easily taken 8 .. but 4 people working full time is a lot of progress to review and integrate regardless |
| 17:58.33 | brlcad | probably will reduce the slot count for bzflag |
| 17:58.35 | mafm | more green? |
| 17:58.48 | mafm | immature? |
| 17:58.56 | madant | i think he means active :D |
| 17:59.11 | brlcad | with the weaker students there last year, six slots was too many (and we had 2X the number of mentors as here) |
| 17:59.18 | brlcad | green == inexperienced |
| 17:59.52 | madant | i think mentoring must be tougher than coding . |
| 18:00.17 | madant | I have always found checking someone else's code difficult compared to writing |
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| 18:03.02 | madant | let me see how much progress I can make in the next couple of months, otherwise it would be pointless to eat up a gsoc slot @ brl-cad which some other student could use for doing some good work. |
| 18:03.04 | brlcad | depends on the code and who wrote it ;) |
| 18:03.16 | madant | @brlcad true |
| 18:03.43 | madant | u must have read the beautiful code book we got last year as students ? |
| 18:04.05 | brlcad | some of it was quite nice actually |
| 18:04.40 | brlcad | you guys (all 4) were pretty above par in terms of readability and communication |
| 18:05.03 | madant | I totally loved the section on geometry where the author discusses various ways of checking for collinearity |
| 18:05.08 | madant | of three points |
| 18:05.11 | brlcad | I think that libpc is coming together quite nicely actually |
| 18:05.34 | brlcad | section on geometry? |
| 18:05.37 | brlcad | some book? |
| 18:06.16 | madant | not a section.. a chapter. |
| 18:07.19 | madant | 1 sec i will give the link |
| 18:07.47 | brlcad | an entire chapter that says two slopes are equal? |
| 18:08.16 | brlcad | or adding two distances will give the third? |
| 18:08.22 | mafm | haven't found time to read the Beautiful Code book yet |
| 18:08.23 | madant | :D not really he considers the comparing slopes and addition idea |
| 18:08.24 | mafm | :( |
| 18:08.43 | madant | but then in the case of slopes there is the issue of infinite slope for a vertical line |
| 18:08.59 | mafm | so what's the plan for gsoc this year? |
| 18:09.13 | madant | and for the distances there is the case of square roots being involved and floating point considerations |
| 18:09.50 | mafm | another 4 students? I might consider applying if I had the possibility, but it's not an strict requirement for my collaboration with brl-cad |
| 18:09.53 | brlcad | madant: sure, but those don't mean the approach itself is flawed, they're just boundary cases that have to be dealt with on the implementation |
| 18:10.15 | brlcad | mafm: up to 4 (if we get accepted) |
| 18:10.17 | madant | exactly.. the author was just putting forward his concept of beautiful code |
| 18:10.22 | mafm | I don't know if I'd be prepared for being a mentor, but when I'm done with the project (3 months or so) I should have more time available and less traveling to do |
| 18:10.23 | madant | in the end the most elegant solution :) was finding the area of the triangle formed by the three points which is a simple determinant |
| 18:10.28 | brlcad | highly expect org selections will be reduced this year |
| 18:10.45 | brlcad | mafm: you could specifically mentor someone working on the gui ;) |
| 18:10.52 | brlcad | picking up where you left off |
| 18:10.57 | madant | brlcad: why ? last year google had trouble coordinating ? |
| 18:10.59 | mafm | for continuing with the gui and so on (I don't know if you're finished with the refactoring, haven't seen anything on -devel ML about that) |
| 18:11.23 | mafm | well, but the applicant might be more experience than me, that's embarrasing :D |
| 18:11.25 | brlcad | madant: nope, reduced economy is making spending hard for most companies |
| 18:11.29 | mafm | experienced* |
| 18:11.43 | brlcad | the fact that they're even going to hold a gsoc is a pretty big deal |
| 18:12.21 | brlcad | mafm: I haven't even gotten started on the refactoring aspect .. and the announcement today has opened up another possibility that was a non-starter previously |
| 18:12.23 | madant | brlcad: maybe that's why the heads up. I mean i was kind of surprised why LH felt like spreading the news |
| 18:13.19 | brlcad | for some perspective, even the Microsoft gorilla is expected to lay off about 17k people worldwide in order to safe money |
| 18:13.22 | brlcad | er, save |
| 18:13.23 | mafm | you mean the announcement of gsoc? but that's what a few days ago, wasn't it? |
| 18:13.34 | madant | It didn't even strike me that they might consider not conducting it :D |
| 18:13.50 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:14.07 | mafm | so another student would do the refactoring... of what? GUI or other internal parts? |
| 18:14.29 | brlcad | some companies are in pretty big trouble .. fortunately google has been doing pretty well (the stock market reinforces that position too) |
| 18:14.43 | brlcad | mafm: whatever they propose |
| 18:15.04 | brlcad | picking up where you left off and making more progress is all that matters.. work is work |
| 18:15.09 | brlcad | regardless of it being on the front-end or back-end |
| 18:15.17 | mafm | I see |
| 18:15.55 | mafm | well, as I said I might continue my work somewhat soon |
| 18:16.31 | brlcad | I'd still like to see the prototype get closer to visually resembling some of the back look n' feel of the IOE, there's plenty of engine work to be done, build system integration/cleanup, command integration, ... |
| 18:19.20 | madant | brlcad: this is the page and the book http://books.google.com/books?id=gJrmszNHQV4C&pg=RA7-PA519&lpg=RA7-PA519 |
| 18:19.38 | mafm | yep, it's a lot of work really |
| 18:21.35 | madant | and the article was by Brian Hayes - Writing Programs for "The Book" |
| 18:22.37 | madant | mafm: do read Beautiful code , some parts are good :) and Best of luck for defending your thesis |
| 18:23.44 | brlcad | so he recommends the area approach, simple enough |
| 18:24.01 | brlcad | ah, so this is the book google sent you guys? |
| 18:24.06 | madant | yep |
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| 18:24.56 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33556 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Minor mod. |
| 18:24.58 | mafm | yes, I might... but I have to do much more reading :| |
| 18:25.17 | mafm | and the book is quite a brick |
| 18:25.25 | mafm | last year's was more manageable |
| 18:25.54 | madant | :D i think this one was more enjoyable.. |
| 18:27.43 | mafm | I have about 40 books to read, half of them somewhat urgently :| |
| 18:28.46 | mafm | hmm, nope, more like 10 actually -- and fortunately |
| 18:29.02 | CIA-44 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33557 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: make extrude no longer crashes, bot values display with local units |
| 18:29.56 | madant | my very incomplete Reading List http://dawtho.googlepages.com/ReadingList |
| 18:34.27 | madant | brlcad: regarding libpc, I will go back to the list of TODOs I had at the end of gsoc and start finishing them one by one. |
| 18:35.37 | brlcad | madant: sounds like a plan ;) |
| 18:35.39 | mafm | madant: R, the language? |
| 18:36.05 | madant | there is a boundary problem which sort of ate my head for quite sometime. I have temporarily sorted it out by storing the value of the variable before iteration |
| 18:36.41 | madant | basically, if the variable value is on the boundary the iteration somehow does not go through the entire sample space. |
| 18:36.56 | madant | mafm: yeah |
| 18:37.16 | madant | mafm: The R book is not that impressive though.. very sloppily written i think |
| 18:37.41 | mafm | I have to deal with it in my project |
| 18:38.08 | madant | kewl, you are working in statistics ? |
| 18:38.48 | mafm | nope |
| 18:38.57 | mafm | well, somewhat |
| 18:39.14 | mafm | not-supervised learning |
| 18:40.29 | madant | so u use R for analysing the results ? |
| 18:40.59 | mafm | I have to translate from R and Fortran to Java |
| 18:41.03 | madant | mafm: is machine learning fun? |
| 18:41.19 | madant | :O why Java ? |
| 18:41.23 | madant | is javaphobic |
| 18:41.24 | mafm | to classify automatically objects in different clusters |
| 18:41.31 | mafm | requirements of the ESA |
| 18:42.48 | mafm | R is a bit chaotic for big projects I think (I'm not fan of weakly-typed languages in general), but anyway it was not my decision |
| 18:43.08 | mafm | but it's very handy for some tasks |
| 18:43.25 | madant | R is pretty neat. I mean you can pretty much do anything with it if numbers are involved |
| 18:43.38 | BigAToo | Do any of you know where I can get a ver 7.12.2 that is compiled for x86 32bit to try? |
| 18:44.42 | madant | mafm: I am interested in Morphometric applications |
| 18:45.16 | madant | I would have loved to try some economic ( econometric ) modeling but my economic skills suck i think |
| 18:46.13 | mafm | BigAToo: nope, sorry |
| 18:46.52 | mafm | R has automatic plotting and so on, is kind of a command-line spreadsheet :D |
| 18:47.31 | ``Erik | kinda like gnuplot? O.o |
| 18:47.45 | mafm | never used it |
| 18:48.13 | mafm | but you can create matrices and vectors of many types and ways and operate with functions over the data |
| 18:48.20 | BigAToo | I have loved 7.10.4 that I have been using but would like to see the new stuff. Thanks |
| 18:56.00 | mafm | BigAToo: for some reason there's only amd64, for linuz |
| 18:58.11 | BigAToo | Yep, I am going to try it on my XP VM and then try and compile it. |
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| 19:19.20 | brlcad | BigAToo: an updated 32-bit binary should be uploaded soon |
| 19:20.08 | brlcad | from 7.10 to 7.12 is mostly minor updates -- you can see the list of changes since 7.10.4 in the NEWS file: http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/NEWS |
| 19:20.23 | brlcad | ~factinfo cadnews |
| 19:20.23 | ibot | brlcad: there's no such factoid as cadnews |
| 19:20.33 | brlcad | ~cadnews is http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/NEWS |
| 19:20.34 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 19:20.48 | brlcad | ~cadtodo is http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/TODO |
| 19:20.49 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 19:20.53 | brlcad | ~cadbugs is http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/BUGS |
| 19:20.54 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
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| 20:54.55 | madant | loved "Man on Wire" |
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| 00:28.47 | IriX64 | http://pastebin.ca/1308591 <-- this language i don't understand |
| 00:35.01 | louipc | # |
| 00:35.03 | louipc | invalid command name "::tcl::tm::UnknownHandler" |
| 00:48.16 | brlcad | louipc: hmmmm.. i've seen that just recently |
| 00:48.24 | brlcad | you just recompile from head? |
| 00:53.15 | louipc | brlcad: oh nope, just pointing IriX64 to the root of his problem |
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| 00:59.34 | mafm | bye |
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| 01:02.18 | brlcad | louipc: ah, right .. and that's where I've seen it |
| 01:03.25 | brlcad | i told him what to do about it but he chose to ignore/forget (probably more the latter, memory of a hamster that one) |
| 01:06.42 | louipc | hehe |
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| 03:26.40 | yukonbob | evening [cad|hamster]heads |
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| 04:33.54 | brlcad | gets into his running wheel, *runs* |
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| 04:57.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <brlcad>sounds like good excercise |
| 04:58.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | by good, i mean effective, not necessarily mentally stimulating |
| 05:47.16 | yukonbob | brlcad: heh |
| 05:47.49 | yukonbob | not the "head" I figured *you* would identify with... unless you're incorporating your love of fitness for the hell of it... |
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| 11:19.46 | mafm | hi |
| 11:25.38 | brlcad | howdy |
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| 01:00.07 | starseeker | brlcad: What do you think - does QT going LGPL have implications for us? |
| 01:01.07 | mafm2 | scrap TCL! :P |
| 01:05.20 | madant | :D I second deTCLing : |
| 01:09.25 | mafm2 | :) |
| 01:09.26 | louipc | uhhh |
| 01:09.28 | mafm2 | night! |
| 01:11.03 | louipc | night |
| 01:35.30 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1896932 pew pew |
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| 02:18.24 | ``Erik | WOOO! mark gromley! yeah! wooo! |
| 02:19.59 | ``Erik | gormley, rather |
| 02:21.07 | Axman6 | anyone know if there are any plans for OpenCL use in BRL-CAD? |
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| 02:50.40 | louipc | Axman6: I'd guess that it's too knew for there to be any plans hah. |
| 02:50.55 | Axman6 | bah! :P |
| 02:51.52 | louipc | and there are a million more important things to be done ... |
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| 05:34.16 | brlcad | starseeker: yes, it does -- the license was the primary issue and a non-starter |
| 05:36.20 | brlcad | it could conceivably be a suitable replacement for rbgui, still using custom widgets on a 3D context though |
| 05:36.39 | brlcad | and still using ogre for visualization |
| 05:40.06 | brlcad | madant1: you're welcome to help with that decoupling, the first tasks are to refactor out the tcl portions from libbu, libbn, and librt |
| 05:40.38 | brlcad | otherwise tcl isn't going away from the gui, it'll just be joined by a couple other options |
| 05:40.52 | brlcad | Axman6: yeah, what louipc said |
| 05:41.19 | Axman6 | do you think it may be possible in the future? just curious |
| 05:41.34 | Axman6 | seems like BRL-CAd could benefit a lot from it |
| 05:41.47 | brlcad | just about anything is possible |
| 05:42.20 | brlcad | if someone wanted to work in that area, I certainly wouldn't be opposed |
| 05:43.06 | brlcad | but it probably wouldn't make my top 10 or probably even my top 100 of things we need to be work on next |
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| 06:37.35 | CIA-19 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33560 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): rename bu_tcl.c and bn_tcl.c to just tcl.c for consistency with the other half-dozen+ libs that already use that name. |
| 06:37.46 | CIA-19 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33561 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: ws |
| 06:41.55 | CIA-19 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33562 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/ (4 files in 4 dirs): more updates for moving to tcl.c for consistency |
| 06:56.03 | Axman6 | brlcad: what sort of things would make those lists? |
| 07:55.09 | Ralith | Axman6, he's got a personal list somewhere on brlcad.org |
| 08:04.47 | madant1 | er.. this? http://brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html |
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| 08:24.45 | Ralith | madant1, yeah, that |
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| 08:34.15 | Ralith | ooo |
| 08:34.18 | Ralith | OpenCSG looks cool |
| 08:34.24 | Ralith | brlcad, is there anything seriously wrong with it? |
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| 10:22.52 | mafm | hi there |
| 10:57.13 | Ralith | hullo |
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| 13:19.51 | brlcad | Ralith: performance |
| 13:21.38 | starseeker | eyes Ayam GUI and wonders why he doesn't remember seeing this before... |
| 13:22.06 | brlcad | ayam's been around for years |
| 13:22.23 | starseeker | so I see |
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| 13:23.11 | starseeker | wonder if their nurbs editing logic would be useful... |
| 13:24.26 | brlcad | for editing, sure ;) |
| 13:24.35 | brlcad | they don't do ray-tracing |
| 13:24.44 | brlcad | but they probably have a tessellation routine that would be useful |
| 13:28.19 | starseeker | has a feeling he stumbled onto ayam as an undergraduate... |
| 13:28.43 | starseeker | heh - metaballs :-) http://ayam.sourceforge.net/ni/ayam-metaflight.gif |
| 13:31.27 | brlcad | yep |
| 13:31.40 | brlcad | and they tessellate metaballs, that's a routine that could be reviewed |
| 13:32.07 | brlcad | they're one of the most comprehensive primitive sets close to ours |
| 13:32.11 | brlcad | a few we don't do even |
| 13:32.18 | brlcad | like the birail |
| 13:32.26 | starseeker | nifty |
| 13:32.39 | starseeker | is that openCSG doing those, or do they do their own? |
| 13:34.30 | brlcad | doing what? |
| 13:34.41 | brlcad | they have a csg-preview mode that uses opencsg |
| 13:34.47 | brlcad | http://ayam.sourceforge.net/docs/pics/csgex.gif |
| 13:35.04 | starseeker | er - doing -> "implementing core logic for" |
| 13:35.24 | starseeker | noticed openCSG was GPL :-/ |
| 13:37.27 | starseeker | ayam BSD licensed though... cooool |
| 13:38.05 | starseeker | is still excited by QT LGPL news :-) |
| 13:39.40 | brlcad | starseeker: if you're interested in what openCSG does, there is better research on the matter |
| 13:39.55 | brlcad | some that would be close to representing an entire vehicle |
| 13:40.09 | brlcad | from my favorite solid modeling researcher |
| 13:40.54 | starseeker | brlcad: Yes, he lept to mind the instant I saw the website :-) |
| 13:41.15 | starseeker | is more interested in ayam's goodies and how mappable they are to BRL-CAD |
| 13:41.30 | _sushi_ | I went shopping with one international model and designer |
| 13:41.37 | _sushi_ | I forgot to ask him if he does solid modeling too |
| 13:41.39 | brlcad | mm.. sushi |
| 13:41.54 | starseeker | now, now - no eating the channel denzians |
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| 13:43.14 | brlcad | ah, no .. I just thought I'd registered it |
| 13:43.22 | brlcad | but that was one that someone else got to before me |
| 13:43.34 | starseeker | ah |
| 13:43.59 | BRL-CAD | should stay logged in as this and act like a bot |
| 13:44.08 | starseeker | hehe |
| 13:44.31 | starseeker | we added AI to the CAD system - it's a brlcad emulator |
| 13:44.42 | tofu | _sushi_: we go good together ;) |
| 13:45.21 | brlcad | the algorithm that opencsg uses is actually an openly published one |
| 13:45.22 | starseeker | sees someone did some QT + Ogre work of some sort back in Nov 08... |
| 13:45.59 | starseeker | checks on what the heck the Zlib license is... |
| 13:46.00 | _sushi_ | eats an orange to prevent oxidative stress so when he dies he will look 17 minutes younger |
| 13:46.36 | starseeker | ah, no problem there... |
| 13:48.17 | starseeker | brlcad: pity we can't shanghai your favorite cad researcher for BRL-CAD work... |
| 13:48.55 | brlcad | oh, unlikely we'd be able to get him -- but we could probably get students from him under his tutelage |
| 13:49.07 | brlcad | heck, I love to study under him |
| 13:49.13 | brlcad | *I'd |
| 13:50.16 | starseeker | do you have his website link handy? I don't seem to have it bookmarked here |
| 13:50.24 | brlcad | just search for "jarek" |
| 13:50.28 | brlcad | he's the one and only ;) |
| 13:50.55 | starseeker | Ah yes :-) |
| 13:50.59 | brlcad | nice to have a semi-unique name |
| 13:51.12 | brlcad | and be top of a field with your name ;) |
| 13:51.38 | starseeker | wonders if brlcad will try to get funded for a couple years down there :-P |
| 13:52.55 | brlcad | implementing jarek's blist's into a libcsg (along with null object detection, tree contraction, and other csg hierarchy manipulations/optimization) is something I've wanted for a long time |
| 13:53.12 | brlcad | so much that I have a src/libcsg in my checkout that has been there for years |
| 13:54.30 | brlcad | more for the csg optimizations we were talking about yesterday and having a fast isolated CSG evaluation kernel that could be optimized (e.g. for vectorization) |
| 14:00.21 | starseeker | nods |
| 14:01.21 | starseeker | how much code restructuring/refactoring do you think that would involve? |
| 14:01.50 | starseeker | could see something like that being as bad/worse than libged... |
| 14:08.06 | brlcad | hey starseeker, know what the H, W, Y, and Z stand for? http://www.dragtimes.com/2008-Lotus-Elise-Tires-225-45R17-t28934.html |
| 14:08.18 | brlcad | ah, and V |
| 14:11.21 | starseeker | I believe they relate to specific applications or performance characteristics the tires are supposed to have |
| 14:12.43 | starseeker | my favorite site for tire dimension info: http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html |
| 14:13.28 | starseeker | Ah, looks like those letters are speed ratings |
| 14:13.49 | starseeker | winces, remembering brlcad's new car and its theoretical performance ceiling... |
| 14:13.50 | brlcad | yeah, just saw that |
| 14:14.44 | starseeker | "Uh, sir, I'm afraid I have to issue you a ticket for excessive warpage of space-time on your way to work..." |
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| 14:46.49 | ``Erik_ | wears zr's |
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| 15:55.26 | mafm | bye |
| 15:55.31 | brlcad | cya |
| 15:55.34 | mafm | :) |
| 15:55.47 | mafm | have a nice weekend :) |
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| 18:34.38 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/bldg391.png <-- svn as of last night :) |
| 18:40.56 | louipc | IriX64: funky background. how'd you get that? |
| 18:41.14 | IriX64 | just the way it ray traced |
| 18:41.27 | louipc | oh weird |
| 18:41.30 | IriX64 | no idea where it came from |
| 18:42.47 | louipc | looks like a big ball to me |
| 18:42.58 | louipc | I think that's supposed to be the sky |
| 18:43.22 | IriX64 | not sure but you said no more helicopters so :) |
| 18:43.49 | louipc | yeah we have all these models anyways, show us some original work or something |
| 18:44.46 | IriX64 | i find it hard to draw with geometry :) |
| 18:45.04 | louipc | it's never too late to learn |
| 18:45.49 | IriX64 | ill try (sometime) :) |
| 18:45.52 | louipc | well, I guess I wouldn't mind seeing the bldg391 from inside that sphere hah, and let me know how you did it if you manage it |
| 18:46.02 | IriX64 | sure |
| 18:46.04 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD is designed for people with measuring tools, not 'artists' |
| 18:46.08 | ``Erik | grab a ruler and find something :D |
| 18:46.17 | louipc | ``Erik++ |
| 18:46.20 | IriX64 | heh prefer a yard stick ;) |
| 18:46.34 | ``Erik | whatever gives you the numbers to type in |
| 18:46.58 | ``Erik | has long been tempted to grab a measuring tape and create his house |
| 18:47.17 | IriX64 | from inside , wait a sec.. might be ablwe to do something |
| 18:47.34 | louipc | that that would be cool, some architectural tools might come out of it :D |
| 18:48.01 | ``Erik | was hoping to arrange furniture and run some raytraces to see what it'd look like, without actually lugging crap |
| 18:48.08 | louipc | yeah |
| 18:48.33 | louipc | or playing around with renovation ideas |
| 18:48.40 | ``Erik | mebbe some path tracing stuff to figure out where to put the tv so I don't get backlight or glare :D |
| 18:48.47 | louipc | haha |
| 18:55.47 | IriX64 | trying a photonmap |
| 18:58.02 | IriX64 | same thing, dunno how to draw inside it :) |
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| 20:02.57 | ``Erik | photon mapping and path tracing work best with a bounding geometry (so it can reflect light back in instead of sending 99% of photon paths into nothingness), so'z ya knowz |
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| 02:41.09 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/os2.png :) |
| 02:41.26 | IriX64 | no more brl-cad ;) |
| 02:47.07 | IriX64 | maybe brl-cad on os/2 :) |
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| 03:25.14 | yukonbob | I have a basic q: re: lighting -- if I have objects behind the camera, is a shiny object (mirror?) in front of the camera displaying it? (/me has no brl-cad installation atm) |
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| 04:16.30 | brlcad | yukonbob: if you put a mirror in front of the camera, yeah that should work |
| 04:18.24 | brlcad | if you don't put lights into the scene, it creates default lights based on the view .. which may or may not be useful with an object behind the camera |
| 04:18.45 | brlcad | so you'd probably want to place the lights to properly illuminate the scene |
| 04:40.50 | yukonbob | brlcad: nice... I'm not surprised it would work, but I was daydreaming again about rendering audio with brl-cad, and wondered about building a box, placing the 'camera' in the box, and generating a noise... |
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| 18:25.48 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/kman.png and also jove.png <--- os2 pfffft prefer modern software :) |
| 18:27.00 | IriX64 | just a sec |
| 18:29.06 | IriX64 | kman refuses to transfer |
| 18:36.54 | IriX64 | i'll try later |
| 18:38.14 | IriX64 | louipc: is it the merge command i need to retrieve my diffs? |
| 18:48.15 | IriX64 | sphflake.png :) |
| 18:49.57 | IriX64 | left it building last nite around 1 am, pleasantly surprised when i looked at it about an hour ago |
| 18:50.54 | IriX64 | are you worried about "SheBitch" ?, don't be i'm not an irc warrior :) |
| 18:51.49 | louipc | IriX64: retrieve your diffs? Do you mean update your svn tree? |
| 18:52.12 | louipc | IriX64: that would be `svn update` |
| 18:52.12 | IriX64 | yes the local tree |
| 18:52.36 | IriX64 | so they arre downloaded automaticly when you update? |
| 18:53.42 | IriX64 | so i could safely wipe out my tree and be back where i left off by updating what i called my tree? |
| 18:57.08 | IriX64 | spent two hours trying to do it with patch ;) |
| 18:59.32 | louipc | yea |
| 19:01.19 | IriX64 | the light dawns, i now have a tree right? |
| 19:03.16 | IriX64 | ill get the hang of it |
| 19:05.23 | IriX64 | at revision 33562 good stuff |
| 19:10.56 | IriX64 | mmm if i set CFLAGS="-DBSD" it should try to compile your bsd code line right? |
| 19:15.15 | IriX64 | brlman.in seems to ignore the --datrootdir setting <--- is this known |
| 19:18.31 | IriX64 | in tkhtml3... makefile.in seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting |
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| 19:57.06 | IriX64 | btw, i don't read. |
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| 20:33.31 | IriX64 | sphflake1.png, and sphere2.png :) |
| 20:40.49 | brlcad | IriX64: no, you can't and should not manually set ANY cflags like that to "compile our XXXX code" |
| 20:42.12 | brlcad | that is just rediculous to assume that would do anything at all unless you see it documented somewhere in our INSTALL file |
| 20:49.56 | IriX64 | was just wondering if it could be used as a test tool |
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| 03:14.30 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/tin.png and also tin1.png :) |
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| 03:35.55 | brlcad | IriX64: you should try to fix those overlap bugs in the tinman model |
| 03:36.12 | brlcad | that would be way more interesting and useful than screenshots |
| 03:36.33 | brlcad | ~seen DanFalck |
| 03:36.34 | ibot | danfalck <n=dan@pool-71-111-76-8.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 776d 7h 57m 15s ago, saying: 'revolving the closed path would be useful too'. |
| 03:37.06 | brlcad | ~seen DanielFalck |
| 03:37.06 | ibot | danielfalck <n=dan@pool-71-111-65-232.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 6d 9h 33m 1s ago, saying: 'http://heekscnc.blogspot.com/'. |
| 03:37.09 | brlcad | aha |
| 03:38.34 | brlcad | ~botmail for DanielFalck: do you still have the sketch from qcad that was causing the revolve rendering failure? |
| 03:45.19 | IriX64 | try pinewood.png , last one for a while, i'm getting to be a nuisance i'm sure :) |
| 03:46.26 | brlcad | not going to try |
| 03:46.33 | brlcad | because I already know what it'll look like |
| 03:46.41 | brlcad | that's just not interesting because it's nothing new |
| 03:47.04 | IriX64 | you're jaded remember how much fun it was when it was all new |
| 03:47.12 | IriX64 | :) |
| 03:47.18 | brlcad | I'm not at all jaded |
| 03:47.24 | brlcad | it's not even new for you |
| 03:47.32 | IriX64 | pinewood is new |
| 03:47.39 | brlcad | you've been posting screenshots of those same models for about three years |
| 03:47.55 | IriX64 | pinewood came out 2 months ago |
| 03:48.04 | brlcad | pinewood came out april of last year |
| 03:48.16 | IriX64 | cant be |
| 03:48.26 | IriX64 | oh wait is it on cvs too |
| 03:48.27 | brlcad | actually before then, it was added a month or two earlier |
| 03:48.40 | brlcad | so about a year old |
| 03:48.46 | IriX64 | ah well |
| 03:48.58 | brlcad | you're still nitpicking, it's not interesting as a screenshot |
| 03:49.14 | IriX64 | ill go back to work on the overlap tool |
| 03:49.38 | brlcad | try going through the mged tutorial from start to end |
| 03:49.51 | brlcad | if you did, you'd be able to make just about any edits including make your own models |
| 03:50.00 | IriX64 | i never was any good at being tutored |
| 03:50.07 | IriX64 | lack patience |
| 03:50.20 | brlcad | that's a total cop out |
| 03:50.35 | IriX64 | nah just whimisical |
| 03:50.53 | brlcad | you're willing to open up random models, render them over and over, take screenshots of the same half-dozen models ... for YEARS |
| 03:51.08 | IriX64 | i try to approach everything with a light heart |
| 03:51.28 | IriX64 | thats me |
| 03:51.47 | brlcad | again, that's just a cop out |
| 03:51.53 | brlcad | to self-justify |
| 03:51.53 | IriX64 | true |
| 03:51.59 | brlcad | it's bullshit |
| 03:52.21 | IriX64 | i've been known to shovel some of that :) |
| 03:52.32 | brlcad | has no patience for lazy |
| 03:52.47 | IriX64 | not lazy... undisiplined |
| 03:52.49 | brlcad | if you're not going to do anything productive, then you're just noise in the channel |
| 03:53.09 | brlcad | if you're going to just be noise in the channel, you're a net negative contributor |
| 03:53.09 | IriX64 | ill go do something productive :) |
| 03:53.24 | brlcad | negative contributions are distractions and counterproductive |
| 03:54.24 | IriX64 | sigh maybe ill tackle that mged --version thing for real |
| 03:57.33 | IriX64 | C:\brlcad2\bin>mged -v |
| 03:57.33 | IriX64 | mged: illegal option -- v |
| 03:57.33 | IriX64 | Unrecognized option (?) |
| 03:57.33 | IriX64 | Usage: mged [-b] [-c] [-d display] [-h] [-r] [-x#] [-X#] [database [command]] |
| 03:57.44 | IriX64 | C:\brlcad2\bin>thats what i get at the moment |
| 03:58.33 | brlcad | clearly |
| 03:58.41 | brlcad | if it worked, nobody would have suggested you implement it |
| 03:58.53 | IriX64 | heh true sorry for the spam |
| 04:00.14 | IriX64 | back later, thanks for the discourse. |
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| 06:37.14 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 06:38.39 | yukonbob | feh |
| 06:38.46 | yukonbob | nice scrollback |
| 06:38.47 | yukonbob | LOL |
| 06:48.25 | Ralith | wow, current g3d loads crazy-slow |
| 06:49.51 | Ralith | lags my system tons too |
| 06:52.29 | Ralith | I think it made everything swap out |
| 06:52.30 | Ralith | had to kill it |
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| 20:38.20 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/hfGST858.html <---- mged version :) |
| 20:40.03 | IriX64 | drat, shoulda added __FILE__, ill leave that to you :) |
| 20:40.35 | IriX64 | __TIME__ could be used to |
| 20:40.42 | bjork_ | IriX64, do you run os/2? |
| 20:41.00 | IriX64 | used to long ago but i have it running on vmware now |
| 20:41.51 | IriX64 | warp 4 |
| 20:42.35 | bjork_ | if it free? |
| 20:42.44 | IriX64 | os2? |
| 20:42.49 | bjork_ | yeah |
| 20:42.57 | IriX64 | no commercial |
| 20:43.03 | IriX64 | had to buy it |
| 20:44.11 | bjork_ | who uses it anymore? |
| 20:44.19 | IriX64 | i do :) |
| 20:44.48 | bjork_ | what for? |
| 20:44.56 | IriX64 | playing around |
| 20:45.59 | bjork_ | ah. |
| 20:46.08 | bjork_ | anything worth investigating? |
| 20:46.34 | louipc | hah probably only nostalgic value |
| 20:47.06 | IriX64 | i just like to see the pretty face of ORION CBCS (bulettin board system) now and again |
| 20:47.25 | bjork_ | is anyone on the bbs besides you? |
| 20:47.37 | IriX64 | if i let them telnet in yes |
| 20:48.04 | IriX64 | need a domain name hosting service for that tho |
| 20:48.30 | louipc | try dyndns.com |
| 20:48.54 | IriX64 | used to use them when i was serious about it, pretty good |
| 20:49.25 | bjork_ | never used a bbs before. |
| 20:49.27 | bjork_ | what was it like? a web forum? |
| 20:49.39 | IriX64 | thy are dinosaurs now :) |
| 20:50.08 | IriX64 | just a place to chat, post messages and play online games |
| 20:51.18 | IriX64 | i'm sloppy (my age is showing) forgot to put it in the help display (the v i mean) |
| 20:57.21 | louipc | sweeet |
| 20:57.25 | louipc | bjork_: telnet bbs.synchro.net |
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| 20:59.11 | bjork_ | interesting |
| 20:59.58 | louipc | the colours are garish |
| 21:00.34 | bjork_ | whose BBS is that? |
| 21:00.42 | bjork_ | i'm running it in xterm with reverse video. |
| 21:00.46 | louipc | synchro.net's I suppose |
| 21:01.46 | bjork_ | what were they writting in? |
| 21:01.59 | louipc | hm? |
| 21:02.21 | bjork_ | the bbs |
| 21:03.08 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/k78Kdv27.html sorry about the cutoff last one, this one wrapped |
| 21:03.20 | louipc | c++ looks like |
| 21:03.32 | louipc | http://synchro.net/docs/source.html |
| 21:03.48 | IriX64 | prefer my own :) |
| 21:04.38 | IriX64 | gonna poperly learn how to use vim |
| 21:05.22 | louipc | a bbs written in c++ seems weird to me for some reason |
| 21:05.41 | IriX64 | why lora bbs was written in c++ |
| 21:06.51 | bjork_ | it looks like there're quite a few users on the BBS. i wonder if they're all just lurkers or something. |
| 21:12.17 | IriX64 | #ifndef __FUNCTION__ #define __FUNCTION__ __FILE__ :) |
| 21:17.20 | IriX64 | probably not telling you anything you don't know but you have to #include brlcad_version.h for this |
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| 01:04.24 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33563 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/dxf/dxf-g.c: re-wrote nmg_wire_edges_to_sketch() method. It was creating two line segments for each wire edge. Now creates one line segment per wire edge and also insures that vertices are not duplicated. |
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| 01:42.00 | DanielFalck | hi brlcad |
| 01:42.22 | DanielFalck | I see that I have one message from botmail, but I don't know how to access it |
| 01:42.34 | DanielFalck | I assume it's related to dxf-g |
| 01:42.47 | DanielFalck | which I just compiled and will test out shortly |
| 01:45.57 | DanielFalck | ok, figured out the message. |
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| 01:59.02 | IriX64 | my site/castle.png <--- svn code checked out as of 2.5 hours ago :) |
| 01:59.21 | DanielFalck | ok. dxf-g worked for me in creating a sketch that revolves and raytraces fine. Thanks guys |
| 02:00.31 | IriX64 | mged -v segfaults on me tho :( |
| 02:01.47 | IriX64 | can bu_log be used as a dropin for printf? |
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| 02:04.48 | IriX64 | ahh idea, wonder what types file,date,time are |
| 02:04.56 | IriX64 | ill be back |
| 02:06.49 | DanielFalck | brlcad: http://imagebin.org/36173 |
| 02:06.53 | DanielFalck | much better |
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| 02:12.46 | IriX64 | C:\Users\IriX64\brlcad2\src\mged>mged -v |
| 02:12.46 | IriX64 | File mged.c Compiled Jan 18 2009 21:11:16 - Geometry Editor (MGED) Version 7.14. |
| 02:12.47 | IriX64 | 1 |
| 02:12.55 | IriX64 | ``Erik... ok ? |
| 02:14.39 | Ralith | DanielFalck: pretty |
| 02:14.56 | IriX64 | i presume you still want it to come up so i didn't play with that part |
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| 08:29.55 | _sushi_ | Hello |
| 08:30.06 | Ralith | hi |
| 08:30.18 | _sushi_ | Do you often need to search for some identifier in BRL-CAD source, not sure how exactly it is spelled or what "polarity" it meaning has? |
| 08:30.30 | _sushi_ | its meaning |
| 08:30.48 | Ralith | I'm not sure I entirely follow you |
| 08:30.56 | Ralith | but I find grep very handy for searching large amounts of source code. |
| 08:31.50 | _sushi_ | does the BRL-CAD source has less than 100MB uncompressed? |
| 08:32.42 | Ralith | calculating size... |
| 08:32.51 | Ralith | wow |
| 08:32.55 | _sushi_ | when all *.c and *.h are concatenated... |
| 08:32.59 | Ralith | the full BRL-CAD svn repo is 1.1GB |
| 08:33.07 | Ralith | of course that's a lot more than the source code alone |
| 08:33.07 | _sushi_ | O - M - G |
| 08:33.09 | Ralith | but still. |
| 08:33.33 | Ralith | BRL-CAD is a very large suite. |
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| 09:24.17 | mafm | hi |
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| 15:07.14 | starseeker | eyes Open Asset Import Library |
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| 15:25.30 | brlcad | DanielFalck: awesome |
| 15:26.56 | brlcad | Ralith: you sure that wasn't including compiled object files .. 1.1GB sounds too big |
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| 15:48.56 | starseeker | wow - OpenCV has an Orielly book out :-) |
| 15:51.43 | starseeker | restrains self - don't need extra expense yet... |
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| 15:55.58 | starseeker | faces up to reality, stops looking around for interesting CAD code, and starts chores... |
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| 17:04.41 | brlcad | Ralith: yeah, I count 197MB of source |
| 17:06.09 | brlcad | about 500 if you count the svn dirs (i.e. checkout instead of export/tarball) |
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| 20:03.34 | Ralith | brlcad, that was probably it; it was a very casual figure. |
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| 20:42.15 | csanyipal | Howdy! |
| 20:42.56 | csanyipal | brlcad version 7.14.1 |
| 20:43.31 | csanyipal | Can one to measure in MGED the distance between two points? |
| 20:43.45 | csanyipal | Are there any tool for that? |
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| 20:57.45 | brlcad | csanyipal: not directly, but it's be a pretty simple proc to do that automatically -- you can use 'nirt' to query in/out hit points along a given line (uses the line the runs through the view center in mged by default) |
| 21:04.21 | csanyipal | brlcad: Thank You! :) |
| 21:25.15 | brlcad | np |
| 21:25.31 | brlcad | there are detailed docs on how to use and customize nirt by cliff on the website |
| 21:27.55 | csanyipal | brlcad: Thank You again! :) |
| 21:28.09 | csanyipal | So long! |
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| 23:34.13 | mafm_ | night |
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| 00:50.38 | starseeker | grins as freecad bombs trying to load the IGES openmoko model |
| 00:50.50 | starseeker | that one seems to be a toughie |
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| 02:41.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | wow. those openmoko files are fairly sizable |
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| 03:43.48 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 03:58.23 | docelic | aoy yb |
| 04:29.11 | brlcad | howdy |
| 04:30.44 | DanielFalck | hi brlcad |
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| 04:48.36 | brlcad | howdy DanielFalck |
| 04:48.55 | brlcad | glad to see the problem was found/fixed |
| 04:49.00 | brlcad | john rocks |
| 04:52.32 | DanielFalck | I didn't update the whole build last night - just dxf-g |
| 04:52.40 | DanielFalck | it worked for rendering |
| 04:54.18 | DanielFalck | has there been any motion on the g-stl tesselation bug having to do with revolved entities? I suppose I should read through the source to check. |
| 05:07.43 | brlcad | shouldn't have needed to update everything |
| 05:07.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33564 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 05:07.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: bob changed the mged 'inside' command so that it'll no longer use the geometry |
| 05:07.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: being edited as the outside solid. this removes functionality but helps make |
| 05:07.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: mged stateless in the process (and was part of libged refactoring). reworded to |
| 05:07.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: fit to a one-liner. |
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| 05:14.29 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33565 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 05:14.29 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: john fixed a neat lil bug in dxf-g where it was creating double-edge sketch |
| 05:14.29 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: objects when converting each wire edge. this fixes sf bug 2457527 (rendering |
| 05:14.29 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: bug in revolved solid) by Dan Falck (ddfalck2002) where those same sketches |
| 05:14.29 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: failed to render as a solid of revolution. |
| 05:17.40 | brlcad | DanielFalck: that's not so much a bug as tess support just hasn't been implemented for revolves yet because they're so new |
| 05:18.03 | DanielFalck | yes, sorry you are right |
| 05:18.08 | DanielFalck | wrong term |
| 05:18.11 | brlcad | rather, there was a bug where it crashes.. that was fixed, I believe .. but it still won't tessellate until someone writes that code ;) |
| 05:18.38 | DanielFalck | would it help move things along if I put in a request on sourceforge? |
| 05:19.31 | brlcad | couldn't hurt |
| 05:19.43 | DanielFalck | ok, will do it. thanks |
| 05:19.43 | brlcad | but would probably be more effective to just keep asking pacman87 about it |
| 05:19.48 | brlcad | ~seen packman87 |
| 05:19.49 | ibot | brlcad: i haven't seen 'packman87' |
| 05:19.53 | brlcad | ~seen pacman87 |
| 05:19.53 | ibot | pacman87 <n=Timothy@pool-71-170-39-105.dllstx.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 14d 5h 17m 40s ago, saying: 'also, if you're planning on adding that info to the windows readme, the link there is broken, too'. |
| 05:20.19 | brlcad | hm, looks like winter vacation isn't over yet |
| 05:22.33 | DanielFalck | oh, whoops I already reported it in December. |
| 05:22.43 | DanielFalck | Priority 6 |
| 05:22.47 | brlcad | ah, my bad |
| 05:23.13 | DanielFalck | I've been testing a lot of stuff lately. so many projects.... |
| 05:23.53 | DanielFalck | emc, aptsketch, freecad, varkon, heekscad/cnc etc... |
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| 05:25.37 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33566 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/revolve/revolve.c: ws |
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| 05:32.14 | DanielFalck | brlcad: thanks |
| 05:53.26 | brlcad | DanielFalck: hrm, well thank you for your patience too... so much to do, so little time |
| 05:54.04 | brlcad | a lot of the attention of late has been going into either simple maintenance or into the long-term priority efforts |
| 06:09.00 | louipc | DanielFalck: what would you say is the best for cad/cam on linux? |
| 06:15.44 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33567 10/brlcad/trunk/ (doc/deprecation.txt include/raytrace.h src/librt/db_io.c): db_free_external was deprecated before 7.0, source recommends calling bu_free_external instead. |
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| 12:10.18 | d-lo | mornin all |
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| 14:25.41 | brlcad | morning d-lo |
| 14:26.28 | d-lo | howdy howdy. |
| 14:26.56 | d-lo | how did you weekend go? |
| 14:27.05 | d-lo | s/you/your |
| 14:27.49 | brlcad | good and bad |
| 14:28.11 | d-lo | well thats good and sorry to hear that. |
| 14:29.33 | d-lo | did you get to play in the snow at all? |
| 14:33.50 | brlcad | nope, but had a nice party, did some shopping, did some work on the house, got some code done |
| 14:40.44 | d-lo | house warming party or 'just because' party ? |
| 14:48.47 | brlcad | playoff party |
| 14:50.57 | brlcad | installing a new electrical outlet behind the TV was probably the most interesting 'challenge'.. that lil job took hours (mostly fishing finding ways to fish the power up through the wall |
| 14:51.35 | brlcad | but it's in place now, no mistakes, no sparks, a thing of beauty |
| 14:52.01 | d-lo | yeah, running 'old work' wires through a house is really rough unless you have one of those 'ulstrasonic interference finder' devices and a 200' phish reel :/ |
| 14:53.00 | brlcad | I had a phish reel and a stud/power finder |
| 14:54.14 | d-lo | I had a friend down in white marsh that showed me a 'ultrasonic' device... shows everything behinds the wall...kinda like a fish finder. it was waaaaaay cool. trumped my B&D stud/power finder hands down :( |
| 14:54.18 | brlcad | the reel helped a little bit, but I still had to drill 2.5" hole halfway to try and feed |
| 14:54.40 | brlcad | ah one of those, yeah |
| 14:54.57 | d-lo | heh, just rip down all the drywall, install conduit, wire and redrywall :) |
| 14:55.02 | brlcad | I almost splurged for one of those lighted cameras that display to an lcd |
| 14:55.29 | d-lo | oooh, those pseudo-spy camera things? neat! |
| 14:56.17 | brlcad | this is the wall with the big tv, so the drywall is staying up there for quite a while :) |
| 14:57.07 | d-lo | good deal. |
| 14:57.31 | d-lo | Are you planning on running cat throughout the house? I can't remember if you are a wireless hater or not... |
| 14:58.20 | brlcad | one of these: http://tiny.cc/M0301 |
| 14:58.47 | brlcad | i'm not a hater, but I do like a wired line running to my main server |
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| 14:59.26 | d-lo | What Do Customers Ultimately Buy After Viewing This Item? 88% buy 'SWAT team costume with realistic FireArms' |
| 14:59.29 | brlcad | which is upstairs, so I do have to run some cat6 quite a ways |
| 14:59.57 | brlcad | heh, yours says that? |
| 15:00.04 | brlcad | mine says 78% buy that item |
| 15:00.14 | d-lo | is looking for a way to centralize all the cat6 in the vent shaft... might take some work :/ |
| 15:00.23 | d-lo | no, I just thought it would be cool if it did say that :) |
| 15:01.00 | brlcad | ah, heh |
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| 15:20.22 | ``Erik | "now with free fbi dossier" heh |
| 15:20.41 | d-lo | ``Erik: how ya feeling? |
| 15:20.49 | ``Erik | tired and old |
| 15:21.22 | ``Erik | I mostly didn't want to shovel the road out to where they bothered plowing |
| 15:21.35 | d-lo | well, there is some 'good' that can come from an extra day at home: more wow time ;) |
| 15:21.38 | ``Erik | private community roads suck when snow's around |
| 15:21.47 | ``Erik | nah, been cleaning and throwing cold weather gear in my car |
| 15:21.55 | ``Erik | and paying bills |
| 15:22.08 | d-lo | I know. They plowed my roads at 3 am..... bastards... |
| 15:22.52 | ``Erik | I can see where they plowed.. way out there... but I'd have to shovel more road than driveway to get there |
| 15:22.53 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 15:23.27 | ``Erik | and I can't find my gloves and hat, so I don't wanna be outside :D |
| 15:24.11 | d-lo | just thought of a new 'roomba'..... gas fired SnowThrowerOomba! |
| 15:25.41 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:25.46 | ``Erik | dave, are you playing on fenix? |
| 15:26.01 | d-lo | nah... barely playing on Epsi. |
| 15:26.09 | ``Erik | there's a claymore in fenix fate |
| 15:26.19 | d-lo | got sucked back int a Civ4 addiction. |
| 15:26.24 | d-lo | orly? |
| 15:26.33 | d-lo | did they copy my profile? |
| 15:26.49 | ``Erik | http://fenix.astroempires.com/profile.aspx?player=11127 |
| 15:27.01 | ``Erik | no, but same name and guild |
| 15:27.16 | d-lo | heh, I think there is an Anime with the name Claymore |
| 15:27.31 | d-lo | just bombard him with 'POSER!!!!!' private messages for me, k? |
| 15:27.43 | ``Erik | ah, heh :D saw the name and the familiar "OMG he's got a" title :D |
| 15:27.50 | ``Erik | hrm, I'm not in fate, so I d'no if I wanna stir things up like that |
| 15:28.23 | ``Erik | <-- sometimes knows when to shut his mouth... on rare occasion... :D |
| 15:28.29 | d-lo | lol |
| 15:28.48 | d-lo | well its nice to know that I have a 'cool' internet handle :D |
| 15:29.00 | ``Erik | oh, brlcad, I stuck richard as contact and cliff as alt for in-house distribution, the s2 guys should be handling most of it for us |
| 15:29.04 | d-lo | should charge royalties......hrm..... |
| 15:29.17 | ``Erik | I think there may be prior art |
| 15:30.39 | ``Erik | (though "fire" was patented a few years ago... mebbe you could pull it off!) |
| 15:31.22 | d-lo | its my ticked to being a millionare! No wait.... |
| 15:32.21 | ``Erik | closes down gnucash |
| 15:32.34 | ``Erik | w00t, I'm a hundredaire! |
| 15:33.46 | d-lo | we need to start a l33t hundredaire club. |
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| 16:33.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | brlcad: thanks a lot. now i have to buy one, too. recently got my first milwaukee corded drill, and now i know why people kill eachother over those things. |
| 16:34.29 | bjork_ | i use a ridgid. |
| 16:34.36 | bjork_ | the damned batteries are fried ... |
| 16:34.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 16:34.53 | bjork_ | but the 18V li-ion ... very powerful |
| 16:34.57 | bjork_ | and relatively light weight. |
| 16:35.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | milwaukee uses genuine panasonic batteries, as does bosch |
| 16:35.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | those are the only 2 choices, in my book |
| 16:35.28 | bjork_ | i can drill holes with 5/16th screws into 1/4 inch thick steel sheets with it. |
| 16:35.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | even so, corded is the way for me |
| 16:35.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, but how many? |
| 16:35.59 | bjork_ | 1 per hole, usually. |
| 16:36.07 | bjork_ | that's when i don't have a drill bit handy. |
| 16:36.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | per battery? |
| 16:36.15 | bjork_ | oh no. |
| 16:36.23 | bjork_ | the battery lasts several holes. |
| 16:36.44 | bjork_ | i think something in the circuitry is gone bye-bye and so i have to have those replaced. |
| 16:37.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have a lot of extension cords, so i just skip the battery altogether. |
| 16:37.28 | bjork_ | i hardly ever use chorded drills unless i'm drilling into an I-beam or something. |
| 16:37.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | which I do |
| 16:37.49 | bjork_ | oh alright. |
| 16:37.53 | bjork_ | what for? the heck of it? |
| 16:38.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, building my machine shop |
| 16:38.47 | bjork_ | cooooooool! |
| 16:39.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i even insist on keyed chucks. keyless does not grip well enough on a 1/2" TiN drill bit through 1" mild steel |
| 16:39.51 | bjork_ | so you already have the machines for the shop? |
| 16:40.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | going to auction thursday |
| 16:40.37 | bjork_ | really nice. |
| 16:40.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | toes crossed |
| 16:40.46 | bjork_ | but what do you need one for? |
| 16:40.48 | louipc | 1/2 drill is a bit big for keyless isn't it? |
| 16:41.14 | ``Erik | likes his makita |
| 16:41.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, they do not hold stil. even cheap keyed chucks do not suffice |
| 16:41.49 | louipc | oh you're talking about hand drills? |
| 16:41.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | makita is my 3rd choice |
| 16:41.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes |
| 16:42.10 | louipc | I guess it still applies |
| 16:42.21 | bjork_ | it's ridgid, hilti for #2, and bosch #3 |
| 16:42.30 | bjork_ | hilti's are not too cheap though. |
| 16:43.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | now, i like the ridgid model 535 pipe machine, and i have one of their plumbing snakes nice |
| 16:43.50 | bjork_ | what do you need a machine shop for, Dr_Phreakenstein? |
| 16:44.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | making money |
| 16:45.26 | bjork_ | are you a machinist? |
| 16:45.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I am taking classes now to become a machinist, but since i was in the army, i decided that i have worked for my last employer |
| 16:45.31 | louipc | my machine shop made chips but no money :( |
| 16:45.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | bummer |
| 16:46.04 | bjork_ | custom parts and what not ? |
| 16:46.35 | louipc | you need CNC to make money nowadays |
| 16:47.01 | ``Erik | meh, I can't spend too much money on tools, I'm using craftsman instead of snapon for hand tools :D |
| 16:47.03 | archivist | for certain 1 offs non cnc is faster |
| 16:47.30 | bjork_ | ``Erik, craftsman replaces your tools for free so it's still a good choice. |
| 16:47.55 | louipc | money isn't really made on one-offs though |
| 16:48.09 | louipc | so you still need CNC to make money ;) |
| 16:48.15 | bjork_ | but if you're doing batch work, you'll be competing with the chinese. |
| 16:48.16 | archivist | canbe, I do 1 off gears, but on cnc |
| 16:49.02 | louipc | yeah and the chinese have shiny new tools |
| 16:49.08 | ``Erik | scratches his head and tries to figure out why there's some christian prayer going on during the inaguration |
| 16:49.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, one of the machines for sale (actually they have 17) is cnc |
| 16:50.36 | archivist | I need 5 axix to cut my setup time down |
| 16:50.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | Dr_Phreakenstein scratches his head and tries to figure out why Erik is watching the inaguration |
| 16:50.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, i gotta start somewhere |
| 16:50.59 | louipc | get a lathe with bar feed, part catcher, then you can pump out parts. |
| 16:51.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 16:51.23 | ``Erik | the un-bush, and the first black president of the us *shrug* at least I'm watching the bbc feed instead of fox :D |
| 16:51.43 | archivist | in BBC land not watching :) |
| 16:51.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | good for you, both |
| 16:52.17 | louipc | I'll check that out on the tele |
| 16:52.24 | louipc | how long is it supposed to go on for? |
| 16:52.46 | ``Erik | 'bbc america' is regional and lame, though :( when I was in memphis, they showed tons of comedy like abfab, monty python, black adder, etc... here it's all stupid semi-reality show crap about dirty houses and shit |
| 16:53.03 | archivist | I want bar fed cnc sliding head lathe, I my scrounge a freebee and add cnc to it |
| 16:53.05 | bjork_ | he's NOT black! |
| 16:53.08 | bjork_ | geezus bleeding christ! |
| 16:53.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, i hate to leave this, but gotta go to class and make chips! |
| 16:53.55 | louipc | well he's close enough for people to make a frenzy out of it |
| 16:54.06 | bjork_ | he's the first mixed president, that's for sure. |
| 16:54.18 | bjork_ | he's neither black nor white. |
| 16:54.32 | ``Erik | most of the US considers him black, though *shrug* imagine it goes back to that "one drop" mentality :/ |
| 16:55.11 | bjork_ | stupidity on display for the whole world to see. |
| 16:55.39 | bjork_ | i thought they called slick willie the first black president too at one point. |
| 16:57.18 | ``Erik | I thought that was due to childhood background, not ethnicity |
| 16:58.01 | bjork_ | i have no idea. |
| 16:58.18 | bjork_ | so if obama's dad had been latino, he'd be the first latino president? |
| 16:58.25 | bjork_ | instead of the first mullato? |
| 16:59.37 | ``Erik | if you wanna go down that slippery slope, we're all africans |
| 17:00.16 | brlcad | ``Erik: I saw the note, looked good (and they were better to be listed) |
| 17:00.33 | bjork_ | hahaha |
| 17:00.39 | ``Erik | but general perception of the populace is that he is black, *shrug* so it's a fairly important paradigm change :) |
| 17:01.21 | ``Erik | aight, brlcad, I got a call from the bc just before the meeting, so I had no clue what I was walking in to and what I could/should commit us to |
| 17:01.29 | bjork_ | i still think it's unfair. the world is simply not strictly binary. |
| 17:02.07 | ``Erik | ok, mebbe it's better to look at what he is not than what he is... he's not an old white guy |
| 17:02.55 | ``Erik | hopefully it's a sign that bigotry and prejudice and racism are dying out |
| 17:05.04 | bjork_ | hahaha |
| 17:05.28 | bjork_ | as long as humans remain, it'll be a primary element of social behavior. |
| 17:05.43 | bjork_ | overtly it no longer is that bad. |
| 17:05.50 | bjork_ | but people'll find ways and means. |
| 17:06.23 | bjork_ | s.a. suffered from the arpatheid regime for so long. black s.a-cans gained power... |
| 17:06.45 | bjork_ | and what do they do to the zimbabwe refugees, who are just like them? they murder them and beat them up. |
| 17:06.47 | ``Erik | oh, there'll be some way we break outselves out into smaller tribes, but mebbe it'll shift to merit instead of heredity |
| 17:06.55 | bjork_ | yeah. |
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| 20:12.50 | brlcad | hah, go me |
| 20:13.38 | brlcad | nice simple call for temporarily suspending a signal yet still delivering a raised signal if one is received while suspended once it's resumed |
| 20:22.36 | ``Erik | eh? |
| 20:29.28 | brlcad | dilute engrish in the excitement of it working |
| 20:42.01 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33568 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 20:42.01 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: Add new routines to libbu for temporarily suspending signal handling via a new |
| 20:42.01 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: bu_suspend_signal() and bu_restore_signal() interface. the previous handler is |
| 20:42.01 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: stashed and later restored. if that signal is received while suspended, the |
| 20:42.01 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: handler is called once restored. this can be useful for protecting critical |
| 20:42.04 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: sections. |
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| 21:45.30 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33569 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/bu.h src/libbu/signal.c): prevent suspending the same signal multiple times (and clobbering the original handler). |
| 22:07.12 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33570 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/signal.c: hm, the logic with just one counter means the restore will not raise pending signals unless there are no other suspended signals. make them per-signal. |
| 22:15.25 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33571 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_io.c: protect all database writes from being interrupted by a signal, use the new bu routines for suspending a signal handler. |
| 22:20.56 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33572 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (inside.c typein.c): |
| 22:20.56 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: should no longer need the signal handler protections this high up in the API |
| 22:20.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: since there are protections at the lower-level db_write(). db_diradd() might |
| 22:20.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: also need bu_suspend_signal() proections but since it's all in-memory, it |
| 22:20.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: souldn't matter if it gets a signal that interrupts. |
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| 01:04.16 | brlcad | mm, interesting possible gui for editors, http://xml.openoffice.org/xmerge/docbook/UserGuide.html |
| 01:04.28 | brlcad | not a great review ( http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/OpenOffice ) but progress |
| 01:05.29 | brlcad | MSWord>OO>OODocBook might be a reasonable path for vol III and beyond |
| 01:26.04 | mafm | docbook ftw! |
| 01:36.16 | mafm | night |
| 01:56.26 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33573 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_io.c: need the signal.h header |
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| 03:06.04 | bjork_ | lotus symphony is free as well btw, if anyone wants to avoid using OOOOooooo and/or MsWord. |
| 03:06.14 | bjork_ | works on linux too! |
| 03:07.43 | bjork_ | ... and osX as well. |
| 03:08.33 | bjork_ | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/19/AR2009011901981.html |
| 04:03.25 | louipc | how does it compare to Ooo? |
| 04:30.53 | brlcad | bjork_: the original format for those docs is msword and the final format is docbook, so that has to be taken into consideration for determining a useful toolset path |
| 05:14.40 | PrezKennedy | a free download from IBM? |
| 05:14.46 | PrezKennedy | it *must* be a trap! |
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| 06:58.34 | starseeker | brlcad: I thought VolIII had a native docbook translation already? |
| 07:18.20 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33574 10/brlcad/trunk/autogen.sh: (log message trimmed) |
| 07:18.20 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: apply a modified version of sebastian pipping's git commit |
| 07:18.20 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 1aa97fd3387ce7a2744e9157a3ca1ea2a8f8201c (index |
| 07:18.21 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: b75fd44f0db99a60dd489cebab3b81ed4d9a55cc) that adds support to recognize the |
| 07:18.21 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 'foreign' or 'cygnus' automake option. the patch originally printed a hint line |
| 07:18.21 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: if all required files were missing or a custom-tailored marker message if it |
| 07:18.23 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: didn't (as well as fixing a sneaky &> that made it in earlier). changed the |
| 07:26.34 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33575 10/brlcad/trunk/autogen.sh: I swear I fixed these over a year ago.. old bsd basename doesn't take pipe'd input. use the arg list instead. |
| 07:31.53 | brlcad | starseeker: ah, right -- i'd forgotten that you'd completed III, so IV then ;) |
| 07:32.27 | brlcad | more interesting was just being able to have a capable wysiwyg docbook editor for the general masses iff that approach actually worked well enough |
| 07:33.58 | brlcad | using a text editor to edit the tags directly is a non-starter for many that might help contribute |
| 07:34.33 | brlcad | even wikitext is a stretch and less-than-ideal (for true nice-quality DTP), but it's a good accessibility/contribution tradeoff |
| 07:56.46 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33576 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/xpush.c: style, ws, reorder to elimiate all but one forward declaration. |
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| 15:20.42 | mafm | hi |
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| 21:33.47 | IriX64 | are pastebins allowed? |
| 21:34.14 | IriX64 | C:\brlcad2\bin>mged -c -v |
| 21:34.14 | IriX64 | File mged.c Compiled Jan 21 2009 00:18:54 - Geometry Editor (MGED) Version 7.14. |
| 21:34.14 | IriX64 | 1 |
| 21:34.14 | IriX64 | BRL-CAD Release 7.14.1 Geometry Editor (MGED) |
| 21:34.14 | IriX64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.14 | IriX64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.19 | IriX64 | attach (nu|X|ogl)[nu]? |
| 21:34.53 | IriX64 | :) |
| 21:38.08 | IriX64 | shoulda used rafb for that sorry |
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| 22:15.56 | ``Erik | usually, "cmd -v" just prints the version and exits, does not continue execution |
| 22:30.52 | IriX64 | wasn't sure how i should approach that, a simple bu_exit( will fix it |
| 22:31.24 | IriX64 | does bu_exit take parameters ala bu_log? |
| 22:44.42 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.02 | IriX64 | thanks, ill search |
| 22:45.12 | brlcad | nice progress |
| 22:45.19 | IriX64 | thanks |
| 22:45.40 | brlcad | get rid of the first two lines, add bu_exit, and you should have a viable patch |
| 22:45.45 | IriX64 | that can be used anywhere you have argv argc :) |
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| 23:06.28 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/RkAwtY12.html <--- like this :) |
| 23:07.24 | brlcad | got rid of the wrong one |
| 23:07.27 | brlcad | brlcad_ident() is good |
| 23:07.33 | IriX64 | thats just the exit |
| 23:07.45 | IriX64 | oh i c |
| 23:07.58 | IriX64 | thats still there on startup |
| 23:10.00 | IriX64 | it exits now on -v thats the only difference |
| 23:11.57 | IriX64 | __DATEE,__TIME__ are beautful %s people ;) |
| 23:12.03 | IriX64 | err -E |
| 23:14.27 | IriX64 | BRLCAD_MAJOR and friends are beutiful %d people, need not be long time using ;) |
| 23:23.20 | brlcad | file, date, and time are useless for -v |
| 23:43.50 | IriX64 | file that was compiled on mont-day-year hh:mm is useless for -v |
| 23:45.02 | IriX64 | :) |
| 23:48.24 | ``Erik | we don't want __DATE__ __TIME__ __FILE__ or any of that crud, , just ident |
| 23:49.11 | IriX64 | i see ... wait |
| 23:52.18 | IriX64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.28 | IriX64 | this |
| 23:55.08 | IriX64 | you guys code well :) |
| 23:59.30 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/oaJZEX80.html <-- main in rt |
| 00:00.17 | ``Erik | yes, we know what rt looks like O.o it's in SVN |
| 00:00.28 | IriX64 | sure is :) |
| 00:01.16 | IriX64 | thank God he said "clipboard" and not 9mm :) |
| 00:03.07 | ``Erik | only punkass "gansta" wannabes carry 9's anymore, a .40 or 10mm is where it's at, yo |
| 00:03.10 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:04.33 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/T7SLwE60.html <--- this is where i learn from mostly ;) |
| 00:05.28 | IriX64 | after all the code *is the documentation |
| 00:07.18 | ``Erik | bu.h would be a good commented index of all that crap (and we know what src/libbu looks like) |
| 00:07.53 | IriX64 | thanks, i look at a lot of stuff, like the style you guys have |
| 00:08.00 | IriX64 | its consistent |
| 00:08.53 | IriX64 | if i try a diff to my brlcad2 svn thing, do the old diffs stay? |
| 00:11.18 | IriX64 | remebering of course "my system is strange" :) |
| 00:15.40 | IriX64 | remeber when i started with 7.6.2? i still can say i've never had so much fun :) |
| 00:17.44 | IriX64 | he, all because i wanted to test automake on a makefile.am :) |
| 00:17.49 | IriX64 | heh even |
| 00:25.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33577 10/brlcad/trunk/ (TODO include/bu.h): |
| 00:25.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: bitv shifting is now 'optimized' as in no longer calculated at run-time. since |
| 00:25.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: bitv_t doesn't change at compile time and works equally well for large bit |
| 00:25.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: vectors (actually a little faster if 'long' is a signficantly faster integer |
| 00:25.18 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: type than 'long long' even on a 64-bit platform). that makes us ready to |
| 00:25.21 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: release if testing goes well. still need a mega-mged test script to make sure |
| 00:25.23 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: libged integration is good. |
| 00:27.26 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33578 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: given the libged integration, we do need to write mged test script to exhaustively exercise all commands before doing a release. |
| 00:29.56 | ``Erik | "svn diff > version.patch" and then manually review it |
| 00:31.54 | IriX64 | thanks man |
| 00:33.53 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33579 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 00:33.53 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: victor provided a reproducible case where xpush blows steaming chunks and fails |
| 00:33.53 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: miserably to do its job leaving the db in a destroyed state. looks like it is |
| 00:33.53 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: stopping halfway through the task but gives no indication that anything goes |
| 00:33.54 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: wrong. |
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| 00:38.02 | ``Erik | neato |
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| 01:10.33 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.com/mario.dulisse2/frame.png :) |
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| 01:23.43 | ``Erik | grats on the masters, twingy |
| 01:24.34 | ``Erik | neato, more tkhtml breakage |
| 01:26.28 | Twingy | I didn't get a masters |
| 01:30.38 | ``Erik | oh, I heard you did |
| 01:30.53 | ``Erik | guess the grapevine twisted the message :) you were going for a masters at gatech, right? |
| 01:32.12 | Twingy | yes, I stopped that over a year ago |
| 01:32.20 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:32.22 | Twingy | I'm pursuing a masters in computer engineering now |
| 01:32.42 | ``Erik | ah, cool |
| 01:36.39 | mafm | night |
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| 04:05.43 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 05:12.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hello, yukonbob |
| 05:13.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (sorry, got some serious lag here ;) ) |
| 05:17.09 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob |
| 05:44.58 | yukonbob | hey Dr_Phreakenstein |
| 05:45.04 | yukonbob | brlcad: long time, no chat :) |
| 05:48.26 | brlcad | indeed! |
| 06:02.45 | yukonbob | what's happening, my Internet friend? |
| 06:03.13 | yukonbob | (is capatalizing Internet considered Bad Form these days? I think it's passe') |
| 06:03.15 | yukonbob | *internet |
| 06:04.22 | brlcad | nah |
| 06:04.40 | brlcad | going pretty good |
| 06:04.50 | brlcad | lot of irons in the fire, but made some progress today |
| 06:05.33 | yukonbob | nice... |
| 06:05.49 | yukonbob | interesting news to talk about? |
| 06:06.05 | yukonbob | is getting into cmake (after owning the book for almost a year) |
| 06:06.17 | yukonbob | is also getting into cross compiling (mingw) |
| 06:06.27 | yukonbob | ...and more hardcore Tcl... |
| 06:06.34 | brlcad | cool |
| 06:07.07 | yukonbob | ...and looking forward to getting the lastest ITcl/ITk (branded "ng") running so he can get over this no-brl-cad drought... |
| 06:07.15 | brlcad | biggest news is probably that libged is coming to completion, getting integrated with mged now, and will soon hopefully provoke the merging of mged and archer |
| 06:07.20 | yukonbob | I don't know when the last time I had it installed was :P |
| 06:07.34 | yukonbob | ah, I miss mged |
| 06:08.41 | yukonbob | once I finally get it installed, I want to a) start modelling again (speedos) b) delve into programming against librt |
| 06:09.05 | yukonbob | I'll be picking your brain... |
| 06:09.54 | yukonbob | actually has some only-secondarily related-to-brl-cad questions for you, but I'll collect some info and formulate good questions before I start wasting time... |
| 06:10.31 | brlcad | looks forward to it |
| 06:10.37 | yukonbob | :) |
| 06:11.10 | yukonbob | you have any news re: itcl/itk ng? I've heard that they pass all the test suites, but I haven't tried building for quite a few weeks... |
| 06:11.18 | yukonbob | what's the tree use? |
| 06:11.21 | brlcad | librt is easy .. since you're so interested in tcl, you might be more keen on mged/archer enhancements |
| 06:11.42 | brlcad | I tried it about 6-8 weeks ago |
| 06:11.46 | brlcad | and it failed miserably |
| 06:11.47 | yukonbob | success? |
| 06:11.48 | yukonbob | ha |
| 06:11.50 | yukonbob | *ah |
| 06:11.51 | yukonbob | :P |
| 06:11.56 | yukonbob | fsck |
| 06:12.18 | yukonbob | itcl/itk are still aboslutely required though, correct? |
| 06:12.19 | brlcad | it's changed a fair bit since then, worth another try |
| 06:12.24 | brlcad | absolutely, yes |
| 06:12.42 | brlcad | there's more than 100k lines of itcl/itk code |
| 06:12.44 | yukonbob | ya -- test scores have gone up, which is promising ... I monitor the wiki page occasionally .... |
| 06:12.55 | brlcad | monitors the trackers |
| 06:13.01 | yukonbob | itcl is certainly a blessing and a curse... |
| 06:13.09 | yukonbob | ?trackers |
| 06:13.16 | brlcad | the sf trackers |
| 06:13.19 | yukonbob | ah |
| 06:13.31 | brlcad | all bug reports, feature requests, support requests, patches |
| 06:13.39 | yukonbob | ya |
| 06:13.51 | brlcad | easier to see when someone is actually busy |
| 06:14.01 | brlcad | as opposed to just being all talk |
| 06:14.06 | brlcad | on the lists |
| 06:14.07 | yukonbob | true, true. |
| 06:15.04 | yukonbob | goes to see latest news/details on itcl/itk, setup test env... |
| 06:20.21 | PrezKennedyIII | i wish i could go on just a couple hours of sleep like brlcad can :( |
| 06:20.32 | PrezKennedyIII | waves good night |
| 06:20.39 | brlcad | it's easier the more you do it |
| 06:20.55 | brlcad | plenty of time to sleep when you're dead |
| 06:20.59 | PrezKennedyIII | ive tried... it doesn't work for me |
| 06:21.04 | PrezKennedyIII | i need about 6-8 hours |
| 06:21.09 | brlcad | one/two time tries don't do jack |
| 06:21.12 | brlcad | has to be habitual |
| 06:21.32 | PrezKennedyIII | ive tried for years and i finally gave up |
| 06:21.50 | PrezKennedyIII | i need at least 6, or the day absolutely sucks |
| 06:22.09 | brlcad | 4 is about the minimum sustainable for most |
| 06:22.38 | PrezKennedyIII | besides, youll be dead sooner if you dont get enough sleep :p |
| 06:22.42 | PrezKennedyIII | catch 22 ;) |
| 06:22.47 | brlcad | nah, old wives tale |
| 06:23.09 | brlcad | there've been plenty of studies that have shown it's sustainable |
| 06:23.15 | louipc | depends on what you do to your body I suppose |
| 06:23.27 | brlcad | it's just not something you can jump into though |
| 06:24.05 | brlcad | it's like cold weather or distance running or listening to loud music |
| 06:24.13 | brlcad | your body adjusts over time |
| 06:24.51 | PrezKennedyIII | and then you can never hear the same, your knees get damaged, and you catch pneumonia |
| 06:24.54 | PrezKennedyIII | :D |
| 06:24.55 | louipc | I did 4hrs a night for about 2yrs... but I'd sleep everywhere... on the bus, waiting in line, at lunch break, ... |
| 06:25.12 | PrezKennedyIII | gnight all |
| 06:25.18 | louipc | gnite |
| 06:25.46 | PrezKennedyIII | oh yeah, brlcad... my dad is trying that whole 4 hour thing and i dont think its workin for him either |
| 06:25.55 | PrezKennedyIII | he falls asleep playing games |
| 06:25.58 | brlcad | particularly liked the discovery episode that put a northern indian/eskimo against someone from new england, testing their cold weather extremes |
| 06:26.14 | louipc | hah |
| 06:26.24 | brlcad | hooked them both up to instruments in a closed room and dropped the temperature fast to measure their responses |
| 06:26.38 | brlcad | (in their skivies only) |
| 06:26.57 | brlcad | pretty interesting to see the response graphs over time |
| 06:28.13 | brlcad | both could withstand some pretty substantial extreme colds before getting near internal organ danger temps, but the eskimo was noticably unaffected nor uncomfortable until it was near that extreme |
| 06:29.06 | louipc | so he can keep on trucking potentially to safety eh? |
| 06:29.11 | brlcad | the other dude was mostly just 'miserable' and whiny much longer |
| 06:30.01 | yukonbob | starts itcl build attempt. |
| 06:30.03 | brlcad | the indian could withstand a colder temp, but it wasn't nearly as drastic as their first measure of asking them to say when they "felt cold" |
| 06:30.05 | yukonbob | runs into first failure... |
| 06:31.02 | brlcad | you have to have a recent tcl/tk too |
| 06:31.08 | yukonbob | 8.5.6 |
| 06:31.23 | yukonbob | _has_ been working, quietly, in his lab here ;) |
| 06:42.49 | yukonbob | is stalled at this hour... |
| 06:43.08 | yukonbob | brlcad: if it's agreeable to you, I've got some general questions that I'll pose in the future... |
| 06:43.29 | yukonbob | more shared-lib/libtool/auto*-fu |
| 06:44.00 | yukonbob | prepares to hit hay --- is not on 4h sleep sched yet ;) |
| 06:53.21 | brlcad | heh |
| 07:02.56 | brlcad | wanders off to his car for a cruise |
| 08:41.20 | brlcad | wanders into the darkness |
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| 12:34.07 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: some declarations for signal handling |
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| 14:23.58 | brlcad | howdy |
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| 15:08.35 | yukonbob | brlcad: speaking of 4h sleeping schedules, are you a coffee (or tea, jolt, etc) drinker? |
| 15:15.24 | ``Erik | coffee made with bawls, pheer |
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| 16:14.25 | brlcad | yukonbob: I go through phases, but yeah sure |
| 16:15.08 | brlcad | usually a couple weeks on, few weeks off, so I never get used to it (and then it also usually does its job very well if I need it) |
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| 20:54.36 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: daniel makes a good point about signals on windows. instead of making the code |
| 20:54.36 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: specific to signals, make the api attempt to suspend interruptions (with various |
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| 22:13.40 | kanzure | I have a set of points that represent a path that I'd like to model. These points would be, say, used to guide a drill bit. Is there a way for me to do this easily via BRLCAD? |
| 22:14.00 | kanzure | Previously I was attempting to plot tubing using those coords, but there were one too many things going wrong that I haven't been able to track down. |
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| 23:37.06 | kanzure | Hey elite01. |
| 23:37.38 | elite01 | yo kanzure :D |
| 23:37.41 | elite01 | waves |
| 23:37.52 | kanzure | waves back. |
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| 02:41.27 | brlcad | kanzure: by previously attempting to plot tubing, you mean in brl-cad? |
| 02:41.42 | brlcad | I'd think that'd be a good case for the pipe primitive |
| 02:42.14 | brlcad | the set of points being a partial set of params to a given pipe |
| 02:50.02 | kanzure | That last message made no sense, what ? :) |
| 02:50.06 | kanzure | but yes, I did mean plot tubing in brlcad |
| 02:51.18 | brlcad | how did you previously attempt |
| 02:51.33 | brlcad | what did you try to do? |
| 02:51.39 | kanzure | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.06 | kanzure | You were helping me out when I was figuring that out, actually. I was using the command to point-and-click to place the next piece of tubing |
| 02:52.27 | brlcad | i mean what primitive(s) were you using? |
| 02:53.00 | kanzure | pipe |
| 02:53.01 | brlcad | you say 'tubing' but we don't have a tubing primtive, so wondering if it was a pipe or series of cylinders or spheres, or something else |
| 02:53.04 | brlcad | ah ok |
| 02:53.07 | kanzure | sorry, pipe :) |
| 02:54.29 | brlcad | okay, so there's a couple things you can do |
| 02:55.13 | brlcad | either a) give the pipe tutorial another go (volume III, principles of effective modeling, on the website under docs) |
| 02:55.34 | brlcad | or b) try the 'pipe' command outside of mged |
| 02:55.45 | kanzure | in the shell? |
| 02:56.08 | brlcad | or c) just manually create a series of cylinders (rcc's would probably be best) that use your points as start/end points |
| 02:56.29 | brlcad | on the command prompt outside of mged, not mged's command prompt |
| 02:56.49 | brlcad | the unix/dos command line |
| 02:57.17 | kanzure | if I do the cylinder rcc's, that would mean that each cross section would "jolt" sort of, right? |
| 02:57.39 | kanzure | I'm using this for some fluid flow simulations, by the way, so I think I'd just have to increase the granularity or resolution of the list of numbers for the cylinders |
| 02:58.32 | brlcad | there would be a "crack" in the tubing run if you used just rcc's and it wasn't just a straight tube |
| 02:58.47 | brlcad | but you could add joints that would make a seamless bend |
| 02:58.57 | brlcad | e.g. just add a sphere at that point with the same radius |
| 02:59.25 | kanzure | same radius as what? I'm not calculating "bends" at the moment- I just have a list of points from some parametric equations |
| 02:59.28 | kanzure | particularly of a spiral. |
| 02:59.41 | brlcad | but then that's sort of what the 'pipe' tool does too (with options to use torii, spheres, mitre'd corners, etc) |
| 03:00.00 | brlcad | sphere having the same radius as your cylinders |
| 03:00.06 | brlcad | whatever you choose |
| 03:00.30 | kanzure | oh? Maybe that's why I was having problems earlier. Each time I tried to plot 'pipe' with the parametric equations, it would tell me that it was intersecting with itself and not plottable (or something- I can't get you the specific error at the moment) |
| 03:00.44 | kanzure | the "oh?" was to the mention of the options to the pipe command |
| 03:01.08 | brlcad | fyi, the pipe _tool_ is not at all the same as the pipe primitive |
| 03:01.38 | brlcad | the tool predated the primitive by about a decade and was the defacto way for a long time (it still has nice interactive inputs) |
| 03:01.39 | kanzure | hrm. worth investigating. The tutorial that I read in the PDF would have been about the primitive, IIRC, right? |
| 03:01.55 | brlcad | the pipe primitive is basically a subset of what the pipe tool can do |
| 03:02.53 | brlcad | if the pipe primitive was complaining about self-intersection, it was probably bends that were too extreme (e.g. bending back on itself) or invalid inputs |
| 03:03.06 | kanzure | floating point inputs? |
| 03:03.13 | kanzure | erm, doubles, basically. |
| 03:03.27 | brlcad | no, nothing to do with floats/doubles |
| 03:03.56 | brlcad | i mean it's asking for values and you think it means something else |
| 03:04.26 | kanzure | it was the xyz "point" for the 'point' command in mged. |
| 03:04.48 | kanzure | so it was something like "p 1.0 2.0 3.0" |
| 03:04.58 | kanzure | I can bring up the specifics later. |
| 03:05.29 | brlcad | like asking for diameter values and you feed radius values inadvertently or setting the next pipe 'point' when you're on a bend and feeding the wrong point |
| 03:05.54 | kanzure | like I said, I'm just plotting the points from a parametric equation |
| 03:06.00 | brlcad | 'p' is not the 'point' command, it's just parameters .. which depend on the currently activated edit operation |
| 03:06.01 | kanzure | so if I'm on a bend, how do I account for that |
| 03:06.09 | kanzure | oh, sorry, it might not have been 'p' |
| 03:06.30 | brlcad | you would have used 'p' if you were selecting edit options |
| 03:06.51 | brlcad | it just doesn't mean "point" :) |
| 03:07.35 | brlcad | the pipe primitive doesn't just take a series of points and spline-interpolate them |
| 03:07.43 | kanzure | aha, here we go |
| 03:07.44 | brlcad | the tutorial is really necessary for understanding its inputs |
| 03:07.52 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/spiral_generator.pl |
| 03:08.03 | kanzure | hope you can read perl - if not, check near the bottom to see the mged command. |
| 03:08.21 | kanzure | nope, sorry, wrong one. I was just doing rpp's. |
| 03:08.48 | brlcad | yeah, I was gonna say :) |
| 03:08.56 | kanzure | those are some funny pipes huh? :) |
| 03:09.01 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:10.39 | brlcad | mm.. that's one insanely slow download rate |
| 03:10.51 | kanzure | how slow am I at? |
| 03:11.00 | kanzure | I'm paying for an 8 MB/sec line. |
| 03:13.30 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.30 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.30 | brlcad | 100 292k 100 292k 0 0 12815 0 0:00:23 0:00:23 --:--:-- 17608 |
| 03:14.05 | kanzure | speed is in kbps? |
| 03:14.19 | brlcad | 12.5KB/sec |
| 03:14.30 | brlcad | a hair shy of 8MB/sec |
| 03:14.37 | kanzure | huh. well. |
| 03:15.19 | brlcad | maybe others are hitting up the pipe |
| 03:15.29 | kanzure | tails the apache log |
| 03:15.41 | brlcad | there, that's a little better, about 40KB/sec now |
| 03:16.13 | brlcad | neat, http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/2008-12-16_spiral_generator_works.png |
| 03:16.46 | kanzure | turns out that the cross-sections are facing the wrong way on some parts of the spiral |
| 03:16.48 | brlcad | with that many points, you certainly should be able to create a corresponding pipe with the right inputs |
| 03:17.14 | brlcad | the only issue I can see arising would be having a radius be larger than the spacing between the "points" |
| 03:17.16 | kanzure | they are rectangular cross-sections, so on one side of the spiral you might see something like the 'window' facing inwards, as seen in the other shots |
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| 03:17.49 | kanzure | (instead of facing the right way, which I guess would be defined as the tangent at that point?) |
| 03:19.00 | brlcad | yeah, I saw them |
| 03:19.42 | brlcad | would make a great dominos demo |
| 03:20.40 | madant1 | loves spiral of dominos |
| 03:20.59 | kanzure | good analogy. Google 3D Warehouse has a 3D spiral of dominoes .. hm, not algorithmically generated though |
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| 03:21.16 | kanzure3 | http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=8c93df389a7d4a057a734abc5ba1db0f |
| 03:22.07 | brlcad | must enfeed |
| 03:22.13 | brlcad | tacos! |
| 03:22.17 | brlcad | bbl |
| 03:31.08 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 05:05.22 | kanzure | brlcad: Hey, so about that spiral_generator.pl file. The oed command didn't work in there anyway, it was supposed to rotate the rpp, but it never did work. Any hints? |
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| 05:25.17 | brlcad | kanzure: hm. well, you don't have a rotate command in there |
| 05:25.20 | brlcad | only a translate |
| 05:25.58 | brlcad | and the leading / on cross_section_region is unnecessary, but don't see a problem off hand |
| 05:26.01 | kanzure | if I s/translate/rotate/ will that work? |
| 05:27.11 | brlcad | s/translate/rotobj/, sure |
| 05:28.13 | kanzure | oops, wait |
| 05:28.14 | brlcad | note that rotations are the reason the left-hand side must lead down to a primitive -- it uses the primitive as the rotation keypoint by default |
| 05:28.18 | kanzure | the 'translate' shouldn't matter |
| 05:28.25 | kanzure | it should be s/orot/rotobj/ |
| 05:28.50 | kanzure | right? |
| 05:29.14 | brlcad | orot and rotobj are effectively the same |
| 05:29.20 | kanzure | doesn't do its job then :( |
| 05:29.30 | brlcad | rotobj -i will work incrementally, otherwise both are absolute iirc |
| 05:30.39 | brlcad | it also works with degrees and not radians |
| 05:31.36 | brlcad | seems to work just fine here, is it not rotating at all or just not in the manner you expect? |
| 05:31.46 | kanzure | not at all |
| 05:32.08 | kanzure | lemme see if I can't just use a random value for radians and see how that looks |
| 05:36.25 | brlcad | can you paste that semi-separated line with values so I can test it here? |
| 05:37.00 | kanzure3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.07 | brlcad | object rotations is one of the staple commands that is run in production hundreds of times a week in-house, so I really suspect it's just bad input |
| 05:37.48 | kanzure | That's with $degrees=int(rand(10))*PI; |
| 05:38.19 | kanzure | though I don't know why now that I think about it. |
| 05:38.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33593 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need to deprecate one of the object rotation commands |
| 05:43.51 | brlcad | hm, that example works just fine here: http://paste.bzflag.bz/m50be6677 |
| 05:44.15 | brlcad | (just used rpp and rpp2 instead of mflb2_524.s and caboff1_524.s) |
| 05:45.23 | brlcad | an unrelated hint, if all you have is a primitive, you can just run "sed primitive" to go into edit mode on a given primitive instead of specifying the two paths |
| 05:45.49 | brlcad | it's when you got to cross_section_region_524.c that you need oed since it's a combination instead of a primitive |
| 05:47.38 | kanzure3 | originally I was using g-stl -o keep.g.stl spiral.g cross_section_region_{0..999}.r |
| 05:47.44 | kanzure3 | to generate an stl file for an STL viewer that I use |
| 05:47.53 | kanzure3 | but it seems it doesn't like my cross_section_region_$i objects any more |
| 05:48.07 | kanzure3 | ah, it's .c :) |
| 05:50.44 | kanzure3 | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/2009-01-22.png <- so this is with the random values. That's one side of the spiral. The holes should be aligned .. not the way that they are. |
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| 13:22.59 | brlcad | kanzure: there is some sort of randomness there |
| 13:23.09 | brlcad | but I see what you mean |
| 13:23.22 | brlcad | orot is working, though -- just means that the values aren't right |
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| 13:24.33 | brlcad | as I mentioned, the two most common mistakes are providing radians instead of degrees and assuming a global rotation keypoint |
| 13:26.24 | brlcad | my guess would be the latter in this case, it's using one of the vertices on the arb8 as the rotation keypoint, which is very likely not what you would expect -- you either need to compute the center-point on the .c and run 'keypoint' first or set the global 0,0,0 origin as a keypoint or try incremental rotations |
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| 16:17.31 | ``Erik | gas leaks in the building are fun. wee. |
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| 16:32.03 | brlcad | oops! |
| 16:32.08 | brlcad | d-lo: it's in the server room |
| 16:32.26 | d-lo | ah, okay. As long as its not on its way to Canada or Mexico ;) |
| 16:32.56 | brlcad | needed a "high" chair for a late night server session, it was the highest |
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| 17:23.13 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/2009-01-23.png <- at least I know it works. |
| 17:39.04 | brlcad | hehe, kanzure that's pretty cool |
| 17:40.58 | kanzure | so setting zrot = tan(y/x) didn't do the trick (I've tested and zrot is indeed the correct rototation) |
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| 17:41.45 | kanzure | there's some function that will do it correctly (clearly), so what I should do is go through it manually and then figure out what my function plot looks like |
| 17:44.00 | brlcad | yeah |
| 17:44.06 | brlcad | I suspect it's just the keypoint |
| 17:44.26 | brlcad | the default keypoint is going to be one of the corners of that "window"/box |
| 17:44.38 | kanzure | btw, I set keypoint to 0 0 0. |
| 17:44.40 | brlcad | which isn't likely what you'd want to rotate about even for a z rotation |
| 17:45.21 | brlcad | if they're centered at the origin before you translate them, that would be perfect |
| 17:45.48 | brlcad | center at the origin, rotate as needed, translate into place |
| 17:46.32 | brlcad | otherwise you'll need to call 'keypoint' and compute the center of the box |
| 17:49.14 | kanzure | brlcad: nope, even with keypoint 0 0 0; translate ; orot;. |
| 17:49.38 | kanzure | that's with the zrot as the tangent at the point. That's probably wrong. Maybe I should go ask #math. |
| 17:50.37 | brlcad | i said it has to be centered on 0 0 0 |
| 17:50.47 | brlcad | if it's not working, it's not centered there |
| 17:51.14 | brlcad | the script you showed earlier, they certainly weren't being centered about the origin |
| 17:51.18 | kanzure | I thought keypoint centers it? |
| 17:51.33 | brlcad | no, keypoint just sets the keypoint about which you rotate |
| 17:53.09 | brlcad | say your object was a sphere, positioned at 100 0 0 .. if you rotate it 180 degrees with a keypoint of 0 0 0, it'll be at -100 0 0 |
| 17:53.50 | kanzure | so the objects that I make are just rpp's with different sizes (xmin, xmax, etc.) |
| 17:53.53 | brlcad | if you set the keypoint to 100 0 0 and rotate it 180 degress, it'll still be at 100 0 0 (but 'facing' the opposite direction) |
| 17:54.24 | kanzure | so I guess I don't know how to set the center point? |
| 17:55.24 | brlcad | the default/natural keypoint for a sphere happens to be center of the sphere .. the default keypoint for an rpp is one of the corners (the 'first' corner) |
| 17:56.48 | brlcad | so if it's a box that is 10x10x2, modeled from 0 0 0 to 10 10 0, you'd want to set the keypoint as 5 5 1 to have it rotate in place |
| 18:25.44 | kanzure | well that's weird, setting zrot to zero produces the same result. I'm so confused. |
| 19:31.31 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, have you ever heard of shapeways? |
| 19:31.41 | kanzure | I have :) |
| 19:31.53 | kanzure | ponoko, shapeways, emachineshop, .. |
| 19:32.10 | PrezKennedy | which is the best? |
| 19:32.24 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/comparison.html comparison of thei nventories of fablab v. techshop v. emachineshop (although I should add shapeways and ponoko) |
| 19:32.27 | kanzure | *the inventories |
| 19:32.41 | kanzure | I have a preference for ponoko, but only because the CEO has been friendly to me :) |
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| 19:36.28 | kanzure | brlcad: Ok, so I'm using the pipe in the shell (outside of mged), and it seems to work, except some "FAILED in Boolean evaluation" messages. |
| 19:37.13 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/2009-01-23_pipe.png - presumably, the parts where there is separation, are the places where those FAILED messages are being thrown |
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| 23:13.28 | ``Erik | first the lotus with the storm trooper driving, now this http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1897399 |
| 23:13.34 | ``Erik | the roads just aren't safe anymore |
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| 03:22.15 | brlcad | wonders how a storm trooper drives |
| 03:23.31 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 03:23.34 | brlcad | googled it |
| 03:28.50 | brlcad | nifty thread: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200594 |
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| 08:57.42 | csanyipal | Howdy! |
| 08:58.43 | csanyipal | brlcad version 7.12.6 |
| 09:05.42 | csanyipal | I made a nice model of a photoholder. |
| 09:10.33 | csanyipal | It can one to download from here: http://csanyi-pal.info/apache2-default/letoltes/BRL-CAD/photoholder.g |
| 09:11.06 | csanyipal | Now I want to make an animation of this photoholder. |
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| 09:14.20 | csanyipal | I'm following the Anim_Tutorial and have the key-frames. I have 37 keyframes. |
| 09:16.02 | csanyipal | I run the script key-chans and get the files: chans.eyept, chans.orient, chans.vsize. |
| 09:16.49 | csanyipal | When I want to run the 'tabinterp << EOF > chans.all' command I get error messages: |
| 09:18.59 | csanyipal | cmd: file chans.vsize 0 |
| 09:19.05 | csanyipal | chan 0: File 'chans.vsize', Column 1 |
| 09:19.13 | csanyipal | File 'chans.vsize', Line 2: time sequence error 1.4 > 0.28 |
| 09:19.19 | csanyipal | File 'chans.vsize', Line 5: time sequence error 4.2 > 0.56 |
| 09:19.26 | csanyipal | File 'chans.vsize', Line 8: time sequence error 7 > 0.84 |
| 09:19.32 | csanyipal | File 'chans.vsize', Line 11: time sequence error 9.8 > 1.12 |
| 09:19.39 | csanyipal | aborting |
| 09:22.33 | csanyipal | The key-frames can to download from here, if there are someone to want to help me to figure out what is the problem: |
| 09:22.57 | csanyipal | http://csanyi-pal.info/apache2-default/letoltes/BRL-CAD/Animation/ |
| 09:24.20 | csanyipal | Thanks! |
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| 10:57.57 | csanyipal | OK, I find a solution for my problem. It's a matter of properly naming the key-frames when using saveview command in MGED. |
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| 14:21.44 | iraytrace | anybody able to make mged's oed command work? |
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| 15:05.04 | brlcad | iraytrace: works here |
| 15:06.38 | iraytrace | Example? |
| 15:07.29 | brlcad | oed / all.g/platform.r/platform.s |
| 15:08.22 | brlcad | oed /all.g/platform.r platform.s |
| 15:09.03 | iraytrace | in a sph 0 0 0 1 |
| 15:09.13 | iraytrace | g c a |
| 15:09.24 | iraytrace | oed c a |
| 15:09.28 | iraytrace | fails |
| 15:09.29 | brlcad | oed /c a |
| 15:09.42 | brlcad | tests |
| 15:10.07 | brlcad | ah, have to e it up first |
| 15:10.14 | brlcad | g doesn't draw |
| 15:11.40 | iraytrace | got it. |
| 15:11.50 | brlcad | csanyipal: 404 on that url, no BRL-CAD dir |
| 15:12.02 | iraytrace | Probably need to annotate manual that path needs to be on screen |
| 15:12.21 | brlcad | yeah |
| 15:12.28 | brlcad | or fix it so it doesn't have to be drawn |
| 15:12.39 | brlcad | don't see any reason to have that limitation |
| 15:12.59 | brlcad | other than consistency with sed |
| 15:13.22 | brlcad | oop, didn't notice the dcc |
| 15:14.45 | iraytrace | OBE |
| 15:14.57 | brlcad | :) |
| 15:18.38 | csanyipal | brlcad: yes, because I delete it.. I solve the problem, but if You like, I put it there again, to see the model. :) |
| 15:20.32 | csanyipal | This is a model of with my pupil will to go on competition soon. |
| 15:21.48 | csanyipal | It's there again. :) |
| 15:22.50 | brlcad | csanyipal: permission denied :) |
| 15:23.19 | csanyipal | OK soon i'll fix that.. |
| 15:24.05 | csanyipal | brlcad: and now? |
| 15:26.50 | brlcad | much better :) |
| 15:27.01 | csanyipal | OK :) |
| 15:27.46 | brlcad | very nice |
| 15:27.51 | csanyipal | I have now the keptarto.rtanim that I run in MGED with preview command. |
| 15:27.57 | csanyipal | thanks! |
| 15:28.35 | csanyipal | but it is so fast that I can't see anything. |
| 15:33.52 | csanyipal | There is the keptarto.rtanim too, so you can download if you will. |
| 15:35.40 | brlcad | got it |
| 15:36.05 | brlcad | that's pretty cool, I"ll have to play with it some more later |
| 15:36.41 | csanyipal | It's OK, I can see the L's out there. |
| 15:58.19 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 15:59.00 | ``Erik | assumed that the migration was of some importance O.o |
| 16:03.43 | csanyipal | When I run 'keptarto.rt -s 200' there is nothing happen. |
| 16:04.55 | csanyipal | I can't get the 'keptarto.pix' file. |
| 16:10.27 | csanyipal | What should to be the 'all.g' int he command line: 'rt -M $* -o moss.pix moss.g 'all.g' 2>> moss.log < moss.rtanim'? |
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| 16:14.27 | csanyipal | When I replace it with the keptarto.c from the Keptarto.g database, then I can see that that the keptarto.rt script does the work and I get the keptarto.pix.number files. :) |
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| 16:28.53 | csanyipal | I came to the command: setenv FB_FILE :0 |
| 16:29.15 | csanyipal | but get the message: bash: setenv: command not found |
| 16:29.36 | csanyipal | 'aptitude search setenv' give to me nothing. |
| 16:41.54 | csanyipal | Moreover, when I try to run the command: $ fbserv -S 1024 0 /dev/sgip & |
| 16:42.13 | csanyipal | then I get the error message: fb_open: no such device "/dev/sgip". |
| 17:38.59 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33600 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/html/manuals/mged/mged_cmd_index.html: Corrected documentation of "oed" command. (rhs/lhs must be a currently displayed path) This fixes bug ID: 2533174. |
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| 20:03.54 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/tool.png <-- i'm such a tool ;) |
| 20:29.19 | brlcad | ``Erik: it is, just still flushing out my todo queue, won't get started till later tonight I think |
| 20:29.43 | brlcad | down to just a couple hundred megs, not much more to go before it busts at the seams |
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| 20:30.25 | starseeker | checks to see what he can delete |
| 20:31.02 | brlcad | starseeker: you're not using anything |
| 20:31.13 | starseeker | oh - not talking about bz? |
| 20:31.15 | brlcad | it's filled with actual data, just have to do the migration |
| 20:31.31 | brlcad | new server has like 3X the space |
| 20:31.37 | starseeker | cool :-) |
| 20:31.57 | starseeker | needs to clean up the crap anyway... |
| 20:32.06 | starseeker | don't need a bunch of old nirt doc drafts... |
| 20:32.12 | brlcad | mm |
| 20:32.19 | brlcad | I'm a data whore |
| 20:32.24 | starseeker | :-) |
| 20:33.08 | starseeker | still has huge pull of national atlas clogging up his hard drive at home, refuses to give up :-P |
| 20:33.11 | brlcad | even intermediates or temporary data unless I'm absolutely sure there's no use for it :) |
| 20:34.34 | starseeker | heh - and thus was the demand for terabyte drives on desktops created ;-) |
| 20:35.06 | brlcad | yeah, I have a whole human genome sequencing somewhere .. what will I ever do with that? dunno, but just think of the possibilities! ;) |
| 20:36.34 | starseeker | is of the opinion that all *nix distros should have a couple extra DVDs included with all the public domain content that can be scraped together |
| 20:37.17 | brlcad | it wouldn't be just a couple extra DVD's |
| 20:37.25 | starseeker | Well, true |
| 20:37.26 | brlcad | that's probably at least a few TB |
| 20:37.49 | starseeker | thinks a complete backup of http://public.resource.org/ might be a good place to start |
| 20:38.26 | starseeker | still though - even a subset of good free stuff would be NICE |
| 20:38.38 | brlcad | hum, no .mil sites |
| 20:39.56 | starseeker | heh - good point |
| 20:40.09 | starseeker | I guess he thought they wouldn't be a "soft" first target ;-) |
| 20:40.37 | starseeker | Given the Obama exec. order on FOIA requests though, I hope they hire him and put him to work getting stuff online |
| 20:41.15 | brlcad | those two orders that came our are pretty nice |
| 20:41.27 | brlcad | the foia less so, but the other one in particular |
| 20:41.56 | brlcad | there's a sentence in there that reminded me of someone very specific and the way they think |
| 20:42.07 | starseeker | closing Guantanamo? |
| 20:42.38 | brlcad | no |
| 20:42.47 | starseeker | checks exec. orders |
| 20:42.54 | brlcad | transparency and open government |
| 20:42.58 | brlcad | http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20090121/2009_transparency_memo.pdf |
| 20:43.12 | brlcad | "Government should be transparent" |
| 20:43.26 | brlcad | "Government should be participatory" |
| 20:43.40 | brlcad | that just screams of open source justification |
| 20:43.46 | starseeker | no kidding :-) |
| 20:44.14 | brlcad | oh yeah, "Government should be collaborative" |
| 20:44.41 | brlcad | so within 120 days, there is supposed to be new GSA directives |
| 20:44.53 | starseeker | wow, I hadn't see this one |
| 20:44.54 | starseeker | YAY |
| 20:45.29 | brlcad | it was the second or third order |
| 20:46.19 | brlcad | I did really like sentance in the FOIA one.. it hit very close to 'home' |
| 20:47.14 | brlcad | "The Government should not keep information confidential merely because public officials might be embarrassed by disclosure, because errors or failures might be revealed, or BECAUSE OF SPECULATIVE OR ABSTRACT FEARS." [emphasis mine] |
| 20:47.25 | starseeker | was happy enough about the FOIA one, but that's AWESOME |
| 20:47.44 | starseeker | does happy dance, |
| 20:48.59 | brlcad | granted, ARL operates in the one area that is almost completely exempt from FOIA requests, but someone with enough money could certainly put up a good fight |
| 20:49.16 | brlcad | (or enough time and press coverage) |
| 20:50.25 | brlcad | loves how his car looks now cleaned and waxed.. |
| 20:50.43 | brlcad | purty shiney |
| 20:52.25 | brlcad | (and yes, removing that last subtle remnants of salt off the car took priority over the server migration, ``Erik) ;) |
| 20:55.57 | iraytrace | I just read the Jan 21 press release from the White House.... w00t! |
| 20:56.59 | iraytrace | wonders if the darkness is about to end. |
| 20:57.40 | brlcad | there are two |
| 20:57.54 | brlcad | well, three but two more interesting |
| 20:58.22 | brlcad | they were out printed on my desk on the 21st |
| 20:58.26 | starseeker | Here's the other one http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/ |
| 20:58.37 | starseeker | where'd you find the pdfs? |
| 20:58.50 | starseeker | oh, I see gwu |
| 20:59.24 | brlcad | eff was starting point |
| 20:59.28 | brlcad | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/01/on-day-one-obama-demands-open-government |
| 20:59.52 | brlcad | that links all three |
| 21:00.05 | starseeker | cool |
| 21:02.03 | brlcad | wanders |
| 21:02.17 | iraytrace | wonders if Bush's draft and service records will magically be found again. |
| 21:03.14 | starseeker | heh +1 Cynical |
| 21:03.35 | starseeker | more likely some supporter smuggled 'em out |
| 21:06.20 | iraytrace | The new http://www.whitehouse.gov is pretty cool. |
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| 21:53.24 | ``Erik | *read* |
| 21:54.28 | ``Erik | setenv is a csh type thang iirc. /dev/sgip would seem to assume an irix machine, not linux. blank out old log files, you have the shit on backups. |
| 21:54.57 | ``Erik | all your gene sequencing are belong to me, make good your time, for great justice |
| 21:55.46 | ``Erik | the foia 'err on being open' was nice, but protecting the domestic spying activity, ugh |
| 21:56.31 | ``Erik | pees on that orange go-kart |
| 21:57.22 | ``Erik | I have a feeling that great care is being taken NOT to shit all over the former office holders record :/ |
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| 22:27.32 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 22:28.49 | ``Erik | ffs, that e90 forum has been down for 12 hours now |
| 22:31.11 | ``Erik | huh, vw had a vehicle with a $40k base, they're stepping into mb and bmw's turf O.o |
| 23:11.23 | brlcad | ``Erik: he ain't here or I would have responded |
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| 01:32.12 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/YMNUKE81.html <-- cray.g :) |
| 01:33.39 | louipc | IriX64: no thanks. already have it. |
| 01:33.50 | IriX64 | heh ok :) |
| 01:34.53 | louipc | hah that's not even an error message. What was the point of that? |
| 01:35.43 | IriX64 | was wondering why the reassigment of ls, and can't find the mged command that gives me a directory listing |
| 01:36.42 | IriX64 | ahhh never mind exec ls does it |
| 01:37.30 | IriX64 | hah, and on my system so does exec dir |
| 01:38.27 | louipc | OK. Your question wasn't very obvious from that pastebin. |
| 01:38.35 | louipc | ~ask |
| 01:38.36 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 01:38.38 | IriX64 | sorry man |
| 01:42.39 | IriX64 | my site/cray.png :) |
| 01:44.22 | IriX64 | as agreed, no more helicopters, max size for fb is max size your display is set to (autodetected) |
| 01:45.18 | louipc | hey did you figure out how to get a rendering of bldg391 from inside that globe? |
| 01:45.37 | IriX64 | ie exec fbserv -S 1024 5 /dev/X & |
| 01:45.51 | IriX64 | no i didn't and gave up did you? |
| 01:47.56 | IriX64 | back to play, (can you tell I hate work?) :) |
| 01:48.03 | louipc | I guess I'll put it on my todo list... |
| 01:48.24 | IriX64 | date for 9999 april 1,st |
| 01:48.54 | louipc | I'm too busy with other things to touch brl-cad or anything |
| 01:49.16 | IriX64 | ahh, i bouce around a lot, little here, little there, you know |
| 01:49.22 | IriX64 | bounce |
| 01:49.52 | IriX64 | thanks for talking to me, I feel so lonely here at times ;) |
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| 02:00.36 | IriX64 | louipc: mysite/cray2.png how do i look under the cover? |
| 02:01.11 | louipc | dunno |
| 02:01.24 | IriX64 | heh another todo :) |
| 02:01.49 | louipc | oh, well you could not draw it |
| 02:02.01 | IriX64 | :) |
| 02:02.19 | louipc | but for bldg391 you want to get the sky effect that the globe gives... so you do want to draw it eh? |
| 02:03.00 | IriX64 | why not remove it, and i thought it was the mirrored floors doing that effect |
| 02:03.09 | IriX64 | am i wrong |
| 02:41.13 | IriX64 | ok, where do i take my mug to be fired? (mysite/mug.png) |
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| 03:15.15 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/oE45Xo36.html <---- louipc :) |
| 03:20.18 | IriX64 | heh framebuffer server works now, i have two buffers co-existing on my screen louipc :) |
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| 06:07.20 | starseeker | Hmm... http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl/ |
| 06:10.37 | starseeker | wonders if that's a useful place to mention on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is |
| 06:10.45 | starseeker | blast sorry |
| 06:11.20 | starseeker | wonders if that's a useful place to suggest Carl Malamud as a consultant on open government via the web |
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| 07:39.29 | csanyipal | Howdy! |
| 07:41.19 | yukonbob | hey csanyipal |
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| 09:41.27 | csanyipal | brlcad 7.12.6 |
| 09:42.21 | csanyipal | I'm traying to Create Postage Stamp Animations following the Anim_Tutorial. |
| 09:43.01 | csanyipal | In the following line: |
| 09:43.03 | csanyipal | rt -M $* -o moss.pix moss.g 'all.g' 2>> moss.log < moss.rtanim |
| 09:43.36 | csanyipal | I don't understand, what is the 'all.g'? |
| 09:44.04 | csanyipal | 'all.g' doesn't exist here.. |
| 09:45.27 | brlcad | after the file name (the moss.g in that example) is the name of the geometry object(s) you want to render |
| 09:45.41 | brlcad | there just happens to be an object called 'all.g' inside of the moss.g file |
| 09:46.01 | brlcad | mged -c moss.g tops |
| 09:46.04 | brlcad | mged -c moss.g l all.g |
| 09:47.31 | csanyipal | brlcad: Yes, then in my photoholder.g database the keptarto.c is the name that should to be here, right? |
| 09:47.33 | csanyipal | rt -M $* -o keptarto.pix keptarto.g 'keptarto.c' 2>> keptarto.log < keptarto.rtanim |
| 09:47.50 | brlcad | as for your questions earlier, /dev/sgip is the framebuffer device name if you were on an IRIX box, it's /dev/X or /dev/ogl for linux (run 'fbhelp' to see the list of available interfaces) |
| 09:47.51 | csanyipal | keptarto is the photoholder in Hungarian.. |
| 09:48.48 | brlcad | and 'setenv' is if you were using tcsh or csh for your shell, for bash/ksh/posix style shells, you just set the var and export it |
| 09:48.57 | brlcad | right |
| 09:49.02 | brlcad | per keparto.c |
| 09:49.35 | brlcad | er, keptarto.c |
| 09:49.46 | csanyipal | brlcad: thank You! :) |
| 09:49.50 | brlcad | the single quote "'"'s aren't necessary |
| 10:02.13 | csanyipal | When I run the command: |
| 10:02.15 | csanyipal | pixtile -s 200 -S 1024 keptarto.pix | pix-fb -h |
| 10:03.09 | csanyipal | I get only 24 pictures, but I have there 64 keptarto.pix from keptarto.pix.0 - keptarto.pix.63? |
| 10:03.29 | csanyipal | Why I get only 24 pictures? |
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| 11:59.41 | csanyipal | So long! |
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| 12:17.49 | mafm | hi |
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| 16:23.37 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33602 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/: remove picket_fence, fence, tire; add lens and human |
| 16:27.43 | CIA-65 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33603 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/tirewizard/: ignore Makefile and Makefile.in |
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| 11:35.40 | d-lo | mornin all! |
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| 12:28.39 | brlcad | mornin' |
| 12:31.45 | d-lo | hows the weekend going? Or is it over like mine :/ |
| 12:33.51 | brlcad | oh, it's over .. it was mostly a "catch-up" weekend at that with most everything pushed back a few days that I had planned |
| 12:34.34 | brlcad | still not back to my regular coding habits yet, have a few more things to tie up in the house before I can have my nights back |
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| 12:35.48 | d-lo | Hai Learner! ;) |
| 12:37.30 | learner | hmm, been a while since I was last let out! |
| 12:39.20 | d-lo | whats the occasion for the release? |
| 12:42.26 | learner | I don't know, I suppose my master just finally got around to letting me out of my cage |
| 12:42.47 | d-lo | ah, The Halibut. |
| 12:48.06 | brlcad | learner: I'm not sure, but I think he just called you a fish |
| 12:48.43 | learner | swims away in disgust |
| 12:49.10 | d-lo | :D |
| 12:49.37 | d-lo | brlcad: hows the ride treating ya? Have you tried it in the snow yet? :D |
| 12:50.02 | brlcad | fantastic and yes |
| 12:50.45 | d-lo | does well in the snow? |
| 12:50.58 | brlcad | she's like a ballerina on ice without ice skates |
| 12:51.50 | brlcad | does okay, well enough, but you can tell she doesn't have her footing |
| 12:52.01 | d-lo | ....so your feet get cold> :) |
| 12:52.35 | d-lo | heh, I would think that a heavy foot + that car + snow = a lot of trouble.... |
| 12:52.42 | brlcad | yeah, actually .. the tires are probably the worst I could have on it for snow |
| 12:53.01 | d-lo | heh, 20" Mudders would look rather silly on it though... |
| 12:54.19 | d-lo | ponders that..... and chuckles. |
| 12:55.08 | brlcad | I've driven through plenty a blizzard in cars that aren't meant for snow to make it work, just have to take it very very careful |
| 12:55.29 | brlcad | the really brief snow storm last monday was interesting |
| 12:55.51 | brlcad | before the roads were cleared |
| 12:56.30 | d-lo | Isn't kinda funny how much survival of a snow storm is more dependant on the driver than the vehicle? When I was stationed in upstate NY, the best snow car I ever driven was a '96 Chrysler Sebring Hardtop |
| 12:57.26 | d-lo | of course, diggin out a low profile car is a bit of a pain.... and I can only imagine trying to dig out that little lotus of yours heh :) |
| 12:59.26 | brlcad | yeah, it wouldn't take even half a foot to make it a non-starter |
| 12:59.49 | brlcad | but just a few inches is more a matter of speed, ice, conditions, road, etc |
| 13:00.59 | brlcad | used to take my old geo out all the time up through the mountains on unplowed snowy roads, there'd be SUV's and car's every couple miles that had slid off the road |
| 13:01.19 | brlcad | heads in to that class |
| 13:01.33 | d-lo | Hrm, Line lock the front breaks, put on some skids of some sort and you could have one badass (and fast) snow-mobile |
| 13:01.50 | d-lo | the PM type class? |
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| 13:55.54 | ``Erik | more about the rubber and skill than the machine, imho |
| 13:56.27 | ``Erik | my dad was a wrecker in his youth, his observation was that SUV's and trucks were the ones in the ditches |
| 13:57.33 | d-lo | really wants to try out his jeep in a nasty storm :D |
| 13:57.46 | ``Erik | <-- called in today, feelin' not so awesome and looking at snow outside |
| 13:58.01 | d-lo | Is it snowing already at your place? |
| 13:58.31 | ``Erik | I tried to take my truck out into a playground many years ago, nose went through the ditch ok, but the ass.... the bumper hit the asphault and the rear wheels were suspended |
| 13:58.39 | ``Erik | it did earlier, it's mostly died down now |
| 13:59.41 | d-lo | well, every time they have called for snow, we (up in PA) got nuthin.... so I am going to call this storm's bluff too. |
| 13:59.45 | d-lo | :D |
| 13:59.57 | d-lo | 'Never cry wol....er, snow' |
| 14:01.50 | d-lo | ``Erik: how was your weekend? |
| 14:01.59 | ``Erik | huh, pay raise, neat |
| 14:02.04 | ``Erik | hazy :D |
| 14:02.22 | ``Erik | neighbors buddy wants to buy my truck for 200, I said 250 and he gets a manual and chains, too |
| 14:02.22 | d-lo | oh yeah.. the raise is supposed to kick in this paycheck innit? |
| 14:02.39 | ``Erik | yeah, I got over 10% (capped and all) |
| 14:02.43 | d-lo | he gonna haul it away? |
| 14:02.51 | ``Erik | that'd be the plan |
| 14:02.52 | d-lo | 10%, nice :) |
| 14:02.58 | ``Erik | I'll help push it out in the road |
| 14:03.01 | ``Erik | but that's about it |
| 14:03.02 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:03.04 | d-lo | Ah, you capped in your payband? |
| 14:04.22 | ``Erik | yeah, have been for 5 years |
| 14:04.28 | d-lo | is getting close to the cap.... |
| 14:04.30 | ``Erik | I keep getting yelled at cuz I never bother putting in the case |
| 14:04.38 | ``Erik | you're db3? |
| 14:04.41 | d-lo | needs to work on his case. |
| 14:04.42 | ``Erik | <-- just a 2 |
| 14:04.50 | d-lo | justa 2 also. |
| 14:07.15 | d-lo | so, even capped, you still pull a 10% raise? |
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| 15:46.02 | IriX64 | mysite/truck.png <--- done on vista64 with no cygwin installed using Xwin32 for an X server :) |
| 15:49.34 | IriX64 | heh, the roaring silence was deafining ;) |
| 15:59.14 | IriX64 | wait a sec |
| 16:03.04 | IriX64 | ftp's giving me grief |
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| 16:44.44 | IriX64 | now try |
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| 16:45.03 | IriX64 | waiti exceeded my quota :( |
| 16:45.25 | d-lo | try what? |
| 16:45.52 | IriX64 | trying to get a picture up to my site |
| 16:46.39 | d-lo | ah, who's your host? |
| 16:47.06 | IriX64 | heh BitchX on Vista64 , Microsoft I think you're number one ;) |
| 16:47.12 | IriX64 | sympatico |
| 16:49.52 | IriX64 | d-lo my mugs there tho, http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/mug.png |
| 16:51.10 | d-lo | that from the tutorial? |
| 16:51.16 | IriX64 | yes |
| 16:51.30 | IriX64 | i need help to draw :) |
| 16:51.44 | IriX64 | err model |
| 16:51.51 | d-lo | heh :) |
| 16:51.56 | IriX64 | this is hardly drawing :) |
| 16:52.09 | d-lo | don't forget to subtract the inner cyl from the outer cyl and the torus ;) |
| 16:52.20 | IriX64 | heh yeah :) |
| 16:53.00 | IriX64 | where's the whip? whip my ftp client up to speed :) |
| 16:53.19 | d-lo | I have had very good luck with Netfirms.com as a host |
| 16:53.31 | IriX64 | I'm in Canada |
| 16:53.57 | IriX64 | or do you mean as an ftp site host? |
| 16:53.59 | d-lo | okay.... |
| 16:54.59 | IriX64 | os2.png is os2 in a vm machine |
| 16:55.24 | d-lo | os2? Ewww... why? |
| 16:55.45 | IriX64 | heh have an old pm app whose pretty face i wanted to see again :) |
| 16:59.13 | IriX64 | ive seen snails move faster than this, must be a busy day in sympatico land :) |
| 17:07.13 | IriX64 | tool.png fixed 1 overlap in m35.g :) |
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| 17:10.46 | csanyipal | Howdy! |
| 17:11.02 | d-lo | howdy! |
| 17:11.37 | IriX64 | doody :) |
| 17:11.58 | csanyipal | I run now the brlcad 7.12.6 on Windows XP. |
| 17:12.44 | csanyipal | In the Command window of MGED the fonts are so small and I can't to setup to get bigger fonts. Why? |
| 17:15.50 | csanyipal | On the Windows Desktop I have the biggest font setup. |
| 17:18.58 | IriX64 | try mged icon right click -> properties not sure but you may be able to do something there |
| 17:19.11 | csanyipal | ok |
| 17:19.32 | d-lo | well, MGED runs in a tcl enviornment. There should be font settings available from within MGED. |
| 17:22.43 | csanyipal | On MGED icon the right click give to me the setup but only for the black MS command prompt window. |
| 17:23.05 | IriX64 | just a sec im installing it |
| 17:23.07 | d-lo | in mged, try File -> preferences -> fonts |
| 17:23.39 | csanyipal | In MGED Command Window there is the File -> preferences -> fonts but there I get an error message: |
| 17:23.55 | d-lo | okay, I do too. Must be a windows thing. |
| 17:23.55 | csanyipal | named font "button_font" doesn't exist |
| 17:23.56 | csanyipal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.56 | csanyipal | "font configure $fname" |
| 17:23.56 | csanyipal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.56 | csanyipal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.58 | csanyipal | "font_scheme_init id_0" |
| 17:24.00 | csanyipal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.24 | IriX64 | mine comes up like d-lo said |
| 17:24.48 | csanyipal | :( |
| 17:24.48 | IriX64 | set to 12 at the moment |
| 17:24.57 | d-lo | IriX64: are you running it through *nix or win32? |
| 17:25.05 | IriX64 | win32 |
| 17:25.18 | IriX64 | only 7.14.1 runs thru *nix |
| 17:26.04 | csanyipal | In the School there I have too BRL-CAD 7.12.6 and fonts are good in the MGED Command Window. |
| 17:26.35 | IriX64 | try reinstalling the thing, you're data should be safe |
| 17:26.42 | csanyipal | Only here, at my home I get the small fonts and this error when I try to setup Fonts. |
| 17:26.51 | csanyipal | ok |
| 17:27.46 | IriX64 | heh is this a hot copy of brlcad? thats the built in copy protection (chuckle) |
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| 17:28.41 | IriX64 | d-lo finally... truck.png :) |
| 17:29.21 | csanyipal | I reinstalled brlcad but still have the fonts problem. |
| 17:29.50 | d-lo | csanyipal: at school, are you running it on windows or *nix? |
| 17:30.28 | csanyipal | at school I'm running it on Windows XP |
| 17:30.43 | d-lo | IriX64: well that truck looks familiar |
| 17:30.50 | d-lo | csanyipal: and at home? |
| 17:30.55 | IriX64 | heh you guys drew it |
| 17:31.04 | csanyipal | at home is the same |
| 17:31.40 | IriX64 | do you have somebody elses tcl/tk installed at home |
| 17:32.08 | IriX64 | like activestate? |
| 17:32.18 | csanyipal | well, I don't remember.. how can I know that? |
| 17:32.37 | d-lo | csanyipal: How about the versions at School and at home? |
| 17:32.52 | csanyipal | I must to see in Start / Control Panel / Add or Remove Programs, right? |
| 17:33.10 | csanyipal | The versions at school and at home are the same |
| 17:33.41 | IriX64 | see if theres something installed at home that you *don't have installed at school |
| 17:34.31 | IriX64 | csanyipal. theres no error here it behaves accodringly |
| 17:34.52 | IriX64 | defaults to 12, did you change the default |
| 17:35.27 | IriX64 | save your database, go to programfiles brlcad and wipe it out and re-install it |
| 17:35.57 | d-lo | there is no need to reinstall |
| 17:36.14 | csanyipal | ok I go now, because I'm removing some programs and must to close X-Chat. |
| 17:36.20 | d-lo | if you want to change settings and a in-app means is not possible, just edit the .mgedrc file |
| 17:36.25 | csanyipal | Thanks! See you later! |
| 17:37.37 | IriX64 | d-lo, i didn't want to tell him, but i'm booted into vista64 at the moment :) |
| 17:37.55 | d-lo | ...and why didn't you want to tell him? |
| 17:37.58 | IriX64 | and mged 7.12.6 runs fine |
| 17:38.13 | IriX64 | start an os discrepancy war, no thanks |
| 17:38.49 | d-lo | he's on XP, you are on vista... there is no war there imho. |
| 17:39.17 | IriX64 | ok so i shoulda told him |
| 17:39.29 | d-lo | RHEL > XP > Vista :D |
| 17:39.52 | IriX64 | rm -rf any and all versions of windows :) |
| 17:41.17 | IriX64 | altho... whan properly schooled windows is beautiful (read winix is wonderful) :) |
| 17:42.25 | d-lo | Heh, been down into the guts of windows and back again. There is very little beautiful about it 'cept the shine the polish the package with :) The *ONLY* think windows has going for it is the amount of software (read: Games) available for it :) |
| 17:42.54 | IriX64 | you call med a game :P |
| 17:42.58 | IriX64 | mged |
| 17:44.20 | d-lo | mged on *nix is > mged on windows. the windows port isn't quite at 100% yet |
| 17:44.35 | IriX64 | time to see if i can school irssi , fun stuff thanks for the chat |
| 17:44.40 | IriX64 | this i know |
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| 18:30.35 | csanyipal | Howdy! Success here :) |
| 18:30.49 | d-lo | what was the culprit? |
| 18:31.36 | csanyipal | Well, I removed many programs, and don't know which one cause the problem. :( |
| 18:31.53 | d-lo | strangeness |
| 18:32.28 | csanyipal | I have here Emacs for Windows too, and maybe it was the problem.. |
| 18:32.35 | csanyipal | I had.. |
| 18:32.39 | csanyipal | emacs |
| 18:46.52 | csanyipal | So long! |
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| 19:17.45 | csanyipal | Well, on Windows XP in MGED when raytracing a region the Underlay / Overlay command doesn't work. I'm now on Debian GNU/Linux Etch. :) Here MGED works. :) |
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| 00:44.02 | mafm | night |
| 00:50.39 | brlcad | cya |
| 01:01.41 | starseeker | growls at in comand |
| 01:01.44 | starseeker | command |
| 01:03.33 | brlcad | sup? |
| 01:03.49 | brlcad | that would be a fun command to totally rewrite to be more modular |
| 01:05.12 | brlcad | would be a little tricky to refactor a few things, like making it a pass-through to primitive-specific commands (e.g. "arb8 create param1 param2 param3 ...", "sph make", etc) |
| 01:05.15 | starseeker | Oh, just making the test commands for functionality checking |
| 01:05.33 | starseeker | is getting to figure out legal parameters for all the primitives... |
| 01:06.06 | starseeker | is starting mged testing script for libged work |
| 01:06.12 | brlcad | oh, awesome! |
| 01:06.25 | brlcad | I was thinking about that whilest in the wonderful training today |
| 01:06.34 | starseeker | training? |
| 01:06.57 | starseeker | panics |
| 01:06.59 | brlcad | another construx course that ed and I are in |
| 01:07.03 | brlcad | you're fine |
| 01:07.03 | starseeker | oh, ok |
| 01:07.05 | starseeker | phew |
| 01:07.15 | brlcad | today was 50% overlap with estimation training |
| 01:07.25 | brlcad | next two days are more to the meat |
| 01:07.33 | starseeker | got to play with financial stuff and car oil changes - got in at 5pm :-( |
| 01:07.36 | starseeker | cool |
| 01:07.47 | brlcad | and at least he covered and was familiar with how his practices relate to agile methods |
| 01:08.05 | starseeker | well, that helps a bit :-) |
| 01:08.16 | starseeker | still has fond memories of the previous course |
| 01:08.37 | brlcad | yeah, he seems a lot more knowledgable about the differences in different types of projects, research-oriented, production-oriented |
| 01:09.02 | brlcad | how they relate, how various techniques fall apart |
| 01:09.13 | starseeker | awesome |
| 01:10.31 | brlcad | if anyone wants to talk to the sourceforge staffers, they're hosting an "open house" meeting on the 29th (Time: 2009-01-29 11:00AM Eastern (08:00AM Pacific, 15:00 UTC)) |
| 01:10.53 | starseeker | irc? |
| 01:10.57 | brlcad | they'll open to complaints, requests, comments |
| 01:11.02 | brlcad | yeah on irc |
| 01:11.05 | starseeker | nifty |
| 01:11.10 | brlcad | irc.slashnet.org, #sourceforge |
| 01:11.34 | brlcad | it's not the first time they've done it, they started irc meetings about a year ago, have held a couple |
| 01:11.56 | brlcad | is particularly interested in the new trac integration... |
| 01:12.35 | brlcad | I'm not sure if it's a solution in search of a problem, but trac is a much better tracking system than the sf.net trackers |
| 01:12.40 | starseeker | doesn't really have too much to complain about, aside from the connection being dropped on big commits... |
| 01:12.46 | starseeker | nice |
| 01:12.47 | brlcad | for at least some definitions of 'better' |
| 01:13.37 | brlcad | if you want to kick the tires on it, lemme know and I'll turn it on |
| 01:14.14 | brlcad | there are about a dozen other apps they've recently integrated too with the new infrastructure, documented somewhere.. (just lemme know) |
| 01:14.48 | starseeker | cool |
| 01:14.51 | starseeker | will look into it |
| 01:15.22 | starseeker | is about to be drivin nuts by the stray character capture in the tcl command window |
| 01:16.26 | brlcad | you ran into it? |
| 01:16.33 | brlcad | it's *really* easy to fix |
| 01:16.41 | brlcad | IFF you find the keybinding that causes it |
| 01:16.53 | starseeker | looks like it's popping up when I do a paste into tcl, and then hit return too fast |
| 01:16.54 | brlcad | I fixed "most" of them over a year ago |
| 01:17.12 | starseeker | can't nail it down yet |
| 01:17.36 | starseeker | glares at Tk for allowing it to happen in the first place |
| 01:17.40 | brlcad | could be a scroll event (including you clicking on the scroll bar) |
| 01:18.24 | brlcad | tk textareas with a scrollbar are very very simple, app code controls pretty much every binding |
| 01:18.53 | brlcad | at least the way we use it -- there's probably a better widget now that does much of it for free, but not back in the day |
| 01:18.59 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:19.18 | starseeker | note to self - find better text widget... |
| 01:22.15 | brlcad | not worth it |
| 01:22.49 | brlcad | it'd take a lot of work to decouple it and if you did everything right, it'd be nearly identical |
| 01:23.05 | starseeker | wouldn't it be a benefit on the maintainance side of things though? |
| 01:23.08 | brlcad | better effort spent merging archer with mged |
| 01:23.11 | starseeker | true |
| 01:23.19 | brlcad | I think its text widget might be newer/better |
| 01:24.58 | starseeker | that reminds me - how did you want to address the "list of drawn objects" problem? It seems like a state issue, and libged is supposed to be stateless, but some of the commands need to "trigger" an entry in some list somewhere in MGED, at the very least |
| 01:27.41 | starseeker | not to mention rt itself |
| 01:31.00 | brlcad | hmm.. hehe, now what a thing of beauty .. http://brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/lotii.jpg |
| 01:31.30 | starseeker | heh |
| 01:31.45 | starseeker | where'd that come from? |
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| 01:31.57 | brlcad | libged operates on a ged structure, which includes lists -- so the commands themselves are stateless, but they are passed lists to operate upon (and have to be written/modified to recognize the ged lists) |
| 01:32.04 | brlcad | just found it somewhere |
| 01:32.11 | starseeker | cool |
| 01:32.13 | brlcad | i think that's all the colors :) |
| 01:32.20 | starseeker | thought for a second it was a raytraced image :-P |
| 01:32.23 | brlcad | except two exotics |
| 01:32.47 | brlcad | don't think the mother-of-pearl one is there |
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| 01:42.15 | starseeker | phew |
| 01:44.12 | starseeker | that's all the primitives in claims to support in 7.12.6 |
| 01:54.37 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm going to stick what I've got into svn for safe keeping, but it's nowhere near ready so it's a temporary file name and not being added to the test routines |
| 01:55.09 | starseeker | however, using the "would I want to redo this if I lost it" metric i don't want to lose it ;-) |
| 01:56.15 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33608 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add early stages of mged test script intended to exercise (eventually) all mged commands. |
| 02:04.28 | brlcad | starseeker: k, just don't forget EXTRA_DIST though in the meantime |
| 02:04.49 | brlcad | distcheck will fail if files are missing |
| 02:17.13 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33609 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/Makefile.am: put mged_test.sh in EXTRA_DIST |
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| 03:12.30 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 03:12.34 | brlcad | howdy |
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| 03:41.08 | starseeker | brlcad: I don't suppose there are any docs anywhere on the implementation of sketch and what { bezier D 4 P { 4 7 9 8 0 } } is actually describing? |
| 03:44.54 | brlcad | bezier curve, degree 4, control points 4 5 9 8 and 0 |
| 03:45.39 | starseeker | hmm - so points are defined independently of particular segments? |
| 03:46.26 | starseeker | what about { carc S 6 E 5 R -1 L 0 O 0 } |
| 03:48.13 | brlcad | yeah |
| 03:48.18 | brlcad | there should be a vertex list |
| 03:48.26 | starseeker | weird |
| 03:48.37 | brlcad | lines, carcs, bezeiers, reference indices of that array |
| 03:48.56 | brlcad | S 5 E 4 .. starts at vertex 5 ends at 4 |
| 03:49.07 | starseeker | ok - R is radius? |
| 03:49.09 | brlcad | R -1 |
| 03:49.10 | brlcad | right |
| 03:49.43 | starseeker | is that for storage/efficiency reasons? |
| 03:50.04 | starseeker | would have stored line, xy start, xy end |
| 03:50.27 | brlcad | yeah, generally way more compact as points are usually referenced at least twice |
| 03:50.59 | brlcad | and it makes for a topological structure |
| 03:51.24 | brlcad | you know that two line segments actually connect by the fact that they reference the same point |
| 03:51.32 | brlcad | not just because they are "close" within a tolerance |
| 03:51.41 | starseeker | OK, I can see that |
| 03:51.57 | starseeker | REALLY needs to work on his primitives documentation... |
| 03:53.02 | brlcad | it's pretty common paradigm, most geometry formats do that for all primitives (check out an stl or dxf file sometime to see more examples) |
| 03:53.24 | starseeker | nods - I can see the logic, just makes for very unintuitive "interactive" geometry entering |
| 03:53.45 | brlcad | yeah :) |
| 03:53.57 | brlcad | have to specify all your points in advance |
| 03:54.03 | brlcad | it shouldn't be the interactive form |
| 03:54.47 | starseeker | hmm. |
| 03:55.04 | starseeker | was setting up the "in" command to do just that, but perhaps that's a bad move |
| 03:55.07 | brlcad | make interactive whatever is most intuitive for interactive |
| 03:55.17 | brlcad | you have a lot more flexibility there |
| 03:55.37 | brlcad | none of the other primitives match the tclget form |
| 03:55.52 | brlcad | at least not 1-1, none that come to mind |
| 03:56.10 | starseeker | 's first thought is to specify line segments, arcs, etc. and have the in command figure out the points and make them "available" if the user wants to specify them |
| 03:57.06 | starseeker | hmm |
| 03:57.18 | starseeker | I could really go to town with this if I'm not careful |
| 03:57.26 | brlcad | since you have the "points" in ascii form at that point (no pun intended), you should be able to dervie the vertex list |
| 03:57.34 | starseeker | sure |
| 03:57.42 | brlcad | or.. |
| 03:58.27 | starseeker | I was thinking to be able to specify either "X,Y" line segments or "2->4" style to save typing |
| 03:58.52 | brlcad | without much thought into it, could be similar to the tclget form sans the VL, but allowing 'in' to have segmented sections for each 'primitive' type prefixed with an identifier |
| 03:58.52 | starseeker | I've got to be careful not to make "in" too elaborate though |
| 03:59.19 | brlcad | then you could specify 'v'ertices as a primitive of their own before use |
| 03:59.34 | starseeker | right |
| 04:00.04 | brlcad | like if you wanted to make a line: in sketch sketch v 4.5 2.3 v 8.4 7.4 s 0 1 |
| 04:00.07 | starseeker | at user option either specify a vertix explicitly, or have them deduced from more "intuitive information |
| 04:00.51 | starseeker | or, in sketch sketch l 4.5 2.3 8.4 7.4 -> same thing |
| 04:01.02 | brlcad | I don't think you'd be able to deduce index vs value reliably without a hint |
| 04:01.20 | starseeker | l would be the hint - "line segment" |
| 04:01.34 | brlcad | e.g. in sketch sketch l 4 2 8 7 |
| 04:01.44 | brlcad | is that 4.0 2.0 8.0 7.0 or indices |
| 04:01.55 | starseeker | use l for xy xy form, s for v1 v2 form |
| 04:02.20 | brlcad | hm |
| 04:02.28 | brlcad | double up all the entity types |
| 04:02.32 | brlcad | interesting thought |
| 04:02.36 | starseeker | right |
| 04:02.46 | starseeker | what's "intuitive" will depend on the situation |
| 04:03.04 | starseeker | or the user |
| 04:03.48 | brlcad | could be something like "s"/"si", "c"/"ci", etc |
| 04:03.55 | starseeker | right |
| 04:04.17 | brlcad | more to type, but less to remember |
| 04:04.32 | starseeker | and consistent between types |
| 04:13.04 | brlcad | well, that's one bit you can probably have fun with for sure |
| 04:13.11 | starseeker | :-) |
| 04:13.45 | starseeker | the sketch editor actually makes a bit more sense now that I get how it's thinking about verticies |
| 04:14.08 | brlcad | yeah, you probably see how the interface basically just directly ties to the data |
| 04:14.39 | brlcad | because it was completely written in just a couple days |
| 04:14.48 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:15.19 | starseeker | soome sense of scale in the drawing window would probably help |
| 04:15.49 | brlcad | probably |
| 04:16.00 | brlcad | though it does auto-adjust based on the points that are created |
| 04:16.12 | brlcad | so they're semi-sensibly normalized to a useful range |
| 04:16.32 | starseeker | sure, but you can't SEE that up front ;-) |
| 04:17.41 | brlcad | right, but if I saw the values and saw that the values kept changing on me, that'd be a bigger problem (I'd expect a fixed controllable scale like the 3D view) |
| 04:17.54 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:18.37 | starseeker | thinks it would also help to have two panes - one which shows the sketch in its local coordinate system and another which lets the user get at the 3D settings |
| 04:19.29 | starseeker | or, alternately, have the MGED window's display of the sketch object handle that part |
| 04:19.35 | starseeker | just like any other primitive |
| 04:20.52 | starseeker | brlcad: Thanks for the orientation - it really helped |
| 04:21.48 | brlcad | nods |
| 04:22.57 | starseeker | I really should get out of here... |
| 04:22.59 | yukonbob | brlcad: question: ".a" archives are always "static", correct? |
| 04:23.00 | brlcad | sketch really belongs integrated, just with a distinction of 2D editing operations and 3D editing operations (along with 4D) as separate "interfaces" |
| 04:23.10 | brlcad | yukonbob: .a are static archives, yes |
| 04:27.01 | Ralith | yukonbob, iirc, .a is literally just an amaglamation of .o |
| 04:27.48 | brlcad | pretty much, at least the symbols of the specified .o files plus a table of contents |
| 04:27.54 | brlcad | not just a concatenation of files |
| 04:28.21 | brlcad | plus/minus a few discrepancies for various platforms over the decades |
| 04:28.26 | Ralith | yeah, not quite that literally. |
| 04:28.48 | starseeker | :q |
| 04:28.53 | starseeker | whoops, that's not vim |
| 04:29.35 | starseeker | <grin> and now I'm going to go operate a motor vehicle |
| 04:29.37 | Ralith | if I had the power to trigger a netsplit, that would have been an awesome time to do so. |
| 04:29.54 | starseeker | lol |
| 04:29.54 | yukonbob | wtf would libtool be trying to dynamically link a .a? |
| 04:30.02 | Ralith | O.o |
| 04:30.13 | yukonbob | www.pastebin.ca/1319264 |
| 04:30.14 | brlcad | yukonbob: because someone specified a .a as an ldadd |
| 04:31.12 | yukonbob | Ralith: re: 'amalgamation' -- ya -- .a == archive, which iiuc is actually similar to tar, for example... it has a ToC, etc. and can hold multiple files... |
| 04:31.59 | yukonbob | heh |
| 04:32.10 | yukonbob | sees this has been discussed above... |
| 04:35.39 | brlcad | yukonbob: that pastebin is normal -- it's just a warning that a "libtool archive" (.la) was created that referenced linking against a library for which there was no dynamic library found |
| 04:36.20 | brlcad | so it's saying that it'll have to differ linking until the .la is used whereupon it'll use the .a it found (which is fine for binaries) |
| 04:37.02 | brlcad | it didn't try to dynamically link a .a, it said it couldn't but that was all it found |
| 04:50.50 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33610 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: gah, hard-coding to 5 is a problem on 64-bit platforms where long's can be 64-bit and require a 6 shift. must have been asleep at the keyboard. |
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| 07:01.48 | yukonbob | brlcad: ok -- thx for that commentary -- I've got more questions/cases coming -- I'm approaching this in a measured baby-step fashion as much as I can... ;) |
| 07:55.37 | starseek1r | decides sleep is in order... |
| 07:56.27 | starseeker | humph |
| 08:06.40 | brlcad | heh |
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| 08:56.28 | csanyipal | Howdy! |
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| 12:03.40 | d-lo | mernin all |
| 12:04.39 | mafm | mernin d-lo! |
| 12:07.10 | d-lo | Finally getting snow here. Time for some sled action... well after work that is. |
| 12:13.43 | mafm | :) |
| 12:13.53 | mafm | we had a bit of snow several times, but not very heavy |
| 12:14.01 | mafm | we never do |
| 12:21.00 | d-lo | well, aren't you somewhat close to the Med? |
| 12:31.09 | mafm | mmm |
| 12:31.15 | mafm | I'll geolocate myself now: |
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| 12:36.50 | mafm | ops :) |
| 12:38.59 | mafm | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=lugo&sll=38.707163,-9.135517&sspn=0.428661,0.76561 |
| 12:41.17 | madant | mafm u are at Lugo ? |
| 12:41.27 | mafm | madant: yep |
| 12:42.03 | mafm | why, do you know somebody from there? |
| 12:42.43 | madant | nah.. only Barcelona which is like the other coast right :) |
| 12:42.51 | madant | ever been to Siurana ? |
| 12:42.56 | mafm | yep |
| 12:43.05 | mafm | 1k km away |
| 12:43.20 | mafm | nope, I don't even know where Siurana is :) |
| 12:43.55 | mafm | about the proximity to mediterranian sea: alps are closer, pirinees are touching it, and there's a lot of snow there :) |
| 12:44.18 | d-lo | mafm: So I see :) |
| 12:44.47 | ``Erik | I don't think I can get to the main road |
| 12:44.49 | mafm | but there are no big mountains around, the tallest are about 2k meters |
| 12:45.48 | d-lo | ``Erik: I am begining to see a pattern with you and brlcad: "Oh i have this expensive, awesome sports car and there is a bit of snow on the ground... guess I'll have to stay home today!" :P |
| 12:45.51 | madant | Siurana is near barcelona . good for climbing |
| 12:45.53 | madant | http://www.master-hunters.com/fotos/siurana.jpg |
| 12:46.23 | mafm | :) |
| 12:46.32 | mafm | I've only been a couple of times in Catalonia |
| 12:46.33 | d-lo | madant: Thats a beautiful picture! |
| 12:46.35 | ``Erik | they're light, have insane amounts of torque and have tires that simply do not grab in snow and rain |
| 12:46.52 | ``Erik | my truck woulda done it, my car cannot |
| 12:47.33 | d-lo | Took the Jeep out and had some pseudo-offroading/snowsleding fun this morning :) Its why I got to work about an hour later than norm :) |
| 12:47.35 | ``Erik | and amusingly, I think there's more snow on my driveway than I can clear |
| 12:47.56 | ``Erik | heh, I had an '80 honda civic stationwagon that I did effin' insane shit in the snow with |
| 12:48.03 | d-lo | how much you have on the ground thus far ``Erik |
| 12:48.15 | d-lo | Honda's are great for that. |
| 12:48.25 | ``Erik | at one point, I got stuck in mud and snow, ended up pushing it into a ditch and slaloming down to the street below |
| 12:48.40 | d-lo | CRX + snow covereed deserted mall parking lot = crazy fun :) |
| 12:48.48 | d-lo | lol nice! |
| 12:48.56 | ``Erik | um, well, ok, I'm sure it does clear, but I can't see the road or sidewalk, it's hard to make out the curb |
| 12:49.22 | ``Erik | looks lik ea couple inches |
| 12:49.26 | ``Erik | ~2-3 |
| 12:49.27 | ibot | -1 |
| 12:49.33 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:49.53 | d-lo | damn 'bots always piping up when you don't wantem to. |
| 12:50.05 | d-lo | ~What is the meaning of life? |
| 12:50.07 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, d-lo |
| 12:50.19 | ``Erik | I only see 3 cars tracks in the cul de sac here |
| 12:50.21 | d-lo | its 42 silly. Sheesh. |
| 12:50.22 | ``Erik | ~what is 42? |
| 12:50.23 | ibot | 42 is, like, the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 12:50.29 | ``Erik | NO ROUND TRIP! FAIL@ |
| 12:50.50 | ``Erik | is the BC in? |
| 12:50.59 | ``Erik | I'm getting no answer on the phone |
| 12:51.09 | d-lo | Dunno. They have that Software training thing going on. |
| 12:51.16 | ``Erik | ohhhh, hrm |
| 12:51.25 | ``Erik | that'd be why I got no answer yesterday |
| 12:51.37 | d-lo | if you want, "I saw Erik here today" :) |
| 12:51.49 | ``Erik | nah, I'm too honest for all that |
| 12:51.49 | d-lo | I think its me an d John A in the whole building. |
| 12:51.53 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 12:52.11 | ``Erik | do you have a CoC? |
| 12:52.14 | ``Erik | wow, that sounded wrong |
| 12:52.41 | d-lo | we only have abour 1" on the ground up by my house, but by the way the radio and TV are reporting it, you'd think its The End. |
| 12:52.46 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:53.13 | ``Erik | it's moving east by northeast, so you might get soem more |
| 12:53.34 | d-lo | CoC = Cohorts of Chaos. A Centaur based guild on the game of Shadowbane known for their effective hit and run tactics. |
| 12:53.38 | ``Erik | here's the thing, I can't drive, but I want to work, I d'no if it'd be ok for me to work from home, being open source, etc |
| 12:53.42 | ``Erik | I meant chain of command |
| 12:53.51 | d-lo | :D |
| 12:53.56 | ``Erik | otherwise, it'd be corrosion of conformity |
| 12:54.08 | d-lo | Just leave messages. If I see someone, I will let em know. |
| 12:54.16 | ``Erik | which became a pretty decent band when they picked up pepper |
| 12:54.36 | ``Erik | yeah buying an outback is looking more and more attractive |
| 12:54.42 | d-lo | I saw them when the opened for Metallica during the Poor ol Touring Me tour in Orlando. |
| 12:54.51 | ``Erik | uhm, around '93 or '94? |
| 12:55.05 | d-lo | Outbank in addition to the M3? |
| 12:55.09 | d-lo | '97 |
| 12:55.15 | d-lo | summer of '97 |
| 12:55.26 | ``Erik | my best bud in high school was hired as a bouncer for metallica and CoC in seattle around '94 or so |
| 12:55.51 | ``Erik | yeah, m3 for nice days, outback for not nice days, plus the larger payload |
| 12:55.56 | ``Erik | and selling my truck to a neighbor |
| 12:56.31 | d-lo | yeah, you told me about the truck. If you need help pushing it out into the street, lemme know :) |
| 12:56.54 | ``Erik | hehehe, well, a neighbors friend wants to buy it to fix it up for his son, and the neighbor is thinking about buying it himself |
| 12:56.56 | d-lo | So... normal Outback or Baja Outback ;) |
| 12:57.17 | ``Erik | uhm, they have like half a dozen variants now, I was looking at the 'sports' edition, because I'm, well, stupid |
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| 12:58.59 | brlcad | has absolutely no aversion to working (or going in to work), else I wouldn't do this for fun and in most of my spare time too |
| 12:59.03 | d-lo | Nah, not stupid... just enjoys a nice toy or two. |
| 12:59.13 | brlcad | suckers just pay me to do it too |
| 12:59.17 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:59.21 | brlcad | so I buy toys |
| 12:59.43 | ``Erik | morning, "the boy" |
| 13:00.22 | brlcad | not nice to call mafm2 that! |
| 13:00.41 | d-lo | brlcad: hows the class? |
| 13:00.53 | brlcad | it's alright |
| 13:02.22 | brlcad | mostly a big rehash of things already known, particularly for open source project management, agile practices, estimation techniques |
| 13:02.37 | brlcad | today and tomorrow are diff topics, so will see |
| 13:03.02 | d-lo | heh, well, known to you mebbe, hence why *I* wanted to go :P |
| 13:04.48 | d-lo | brlcad: you gonna be able to make it to post? |
| 13:04.50 | brlcad | wanting to get into project management? |
| 13:05.16 | brlcad | d-lo: don't see why not |
| 13:06.01 | brlcad | ballerina on ice .. just have to take it really slow |
| 13:06.02 | d-lo | brlcad: Yes, actually i do. And was just asking about the roads because the one's I traveled were not that great and getting worse. |
| 13:06.53 | mafm2 | d-lo: :P |
| 13:07.46 | brlcad | mm, frightening :) |
| 13:08.07 | d-lo | well, its not the roads, but the retarded hicks with big trucks that scare me. |
| 13:08.20 | brlcad | not that, wanting to :) |
| 13:09.18 | d-lo | heh, well I have managed my way out of a few wet paper bags in my life so there :P |
| 13:09.45 | brlcad | like many things, the job is often best served by people that don't want it -- the don't meddle/impose, don't get too involved, have more humble people skills, protect their people better, etc |
| 13:10.27 | brlcad | particularly for software management, unless you start up a production shop where you're just coding widgets with no research aspect |
| 13:11.13 | d-lo | hrm, well, the opposite can be said also. Too humble/univolved and the leadership aspect is nullified. |
| 13:11.29 | brlcad | sure, it's not black and white |
| 13:11.30 | d-lo | Its more a fine balance that makes a good manager. |
| 13:11.34 | brlcad | it's just the bigger trend |
| 13:12.18 | d-lo | I'll agree 100% with the micromanagement. Let the workers work and the leaders lead ;) |
| 13:12.46 | brlcad | it's not just micromanagement |
| 13:12.58 | brlcad | it doesn't take much at all to demotivate |
| 13:13.57 | brlcad | hell, I honestly almost quit over an argument about shutting doors many years ago |
| 13:14.30 | d-lo | Exactly, which is where a univolved/humble manager will fail. If a manager cannot set realistic, attainable waypoints/goals with tangible benefits for the workers, morale drops quickly. |
| 13:14.56 | brlcad | authority or rules without merit or reason is a non-starter in my world |
| 13:14.56 | d-lo | brlcad: as in you wanted your door shut but management said to keep it open? |
| 13:15.41 | brlcad | no, different, but that's for another day |
| 13:15.53 | d-lo | I think thats a given, actually. Very few people nowadays are happy with 'just obeying the rules without knowing the why behind them' |
| 13:16.35 | d-lo | okay. I could just see some of the managers here starting BS like that, lol |
| 13:16.40 | brlcad | people bend to the rules *all* the time, put up with crap and find work-arounds instead of fixing the imposition problem |
| 13:17.23 | d-lo | heh, never said they didn't bend to them, just said they aren't happy blindly following. They usually seek the 'Why' or just quit. |
| 13:17.53 | d-lo | But you are right, many people don't try to fix the problem.... thats someone else's job... right? |
| 13:17.56 | d-lo | :) |
| 13:18.24 | brlcad | the point should be seen in the industry productivity quotia .. that gov't employees on *average* are only 30% productive |
| 13:18.34 | brlcad | compared to industry's roughly 70% average |
| 13:19.41 | d-lo | Thats okay though, because Obama will fix that too. lol |
| 13:19.45 | brlcad | that implies that on average at least, that gov't workers put up with and allow (or require) more than twice as much overhead process in their work |
| 13:20.21 | d-lo | well, thats assuming that 'Laziness' is either not accounted for or part of overhead :) |
| 13:20.42 | brlcad | process for the sake of process "to be safe", process on top of process, inefficiency at every corner, entrenched workers that do negative work |
| 13:20.56 | brlcad | the class actually touched on net negative programmers, I was really glad to see that |
| 13:21.14 | ``Erik | hides |
| 13:21.18 | d-lo | lol |
| 13:21.41 | brlcad | did not know that the rate of negative programmers is actually around 30% |
| 13:21.45 | ``Erik | I have an abstract to write, and a fistful of crap I wanna work on, sucks |
| 13:21.48 | ``Erik | really? huh |
| 13:22.04 | ``Erik | uh, how did the bz migration go? HRM? |
| 13:22.21 | ``Erik | order of criticality is bz, the suns, then code, right? |
| 13:22.22 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:22.39 | brlcad | the migration has actually been underway |
| 13:22.39 | d-lo | rate.... as in the amount of negative producicity they create or the amount of neg programmers compared to the total amount of programmers. |
| 13:22.43 | d-lo | > |
| 13:22.45 | d-lo | ? |
| 13:23.12 | ``Erik | software developers have a HUGE difference between 'stars' and 'tards' |
| 13:23.16 | brlcad | d-lo: that on a given team, the team would actually get *more* work done if that programmer was not there |
| 13:23.19 | brlcad | in the long run |
| 13:23.36 | brlcad | due to bugs that go unnoticed that have to get fixed X months/years from now |
| 13:23.45 | brlcad | due to overhead communication to keep everyone informed |
| 13:23.57 | brlcad | due to arguments and disconformity |
| 13:23.59 | ``Erik | mythical man month provided brilliant insight in the 70's |
| 13:24.16 | ``Erik | but was mostly ignored by the "powers that be" |
| 13:24.32 | brlcad | ``Erik: you'll like one stat .. i'll have to mention it later |
| 13:24.41 | ``Erik | heh, pm? |
| 13:24.51 | brlcad | no, i'm just gonna be late |
| 13:24.56 | brlcad | ask me about paradigms |
| 13:25.24 | ``Erik | ok, *shrug* when we're both in the office, I'll jabber about four nickels |
| 13:25.53 | ``Erik | a bit confused why this can't be said here and now, but *shrug* |
| 13:25.55 | brlcad | or here later, I just gotta hit the road :) |
| 13:26.22 | ``Erik | ah, aight, you're riding what, michelin pilot pros? be damn careful, they don't grab snow/ice owrth a fuck |
| 13:26.37 | ``Erik | I have 'em on the front, I refuse to drive cuz I don't feel like dying today |
| 13:26.53 | d-lo | "Today is a good day to die." |
| 13:27.05 | brlcad | more worried about getting her prettiness all sullied with muck and grime |
| 13:27.10 | ``Erik | heh, amusingly, I have a wad of that blood. |
| 13:27.13 | ``Erik | but I disagree. |
| 13:27.45 | archivist | cars are meant to be used |
| 13:27.45 | ``Erik | tell ya what, witht he m's, I'm FAR more scared about the fucker behind me not having the braking power |
| 13:28.26 | ``Erik | I mean, good street conditions, I can clomp down and stop in half the distance of an average sedan... fuckers tailgate and don't pay attention, it's damn dangerous |
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| 13:28.46 | d-lo | yeah, the snow has always been the least of my worries... its all the idiots out there. |
| 13:29.43 | d-lo | I'll be watching the roads/storm progress. I'll jet if it gets too bad. Although I don't think it will be a problem. |
| 13:29.43 | ``Erik | the, uh, silverado sportback that parks in the same lot, I hit the brakes coming up on paradise, the dude was all sideways and shit from hitting the brakes too hard :( he blew out into the turn lane, but I was crapping my drawers |
| 13:29.54 | d-lo | has been playing ddo and kinda likes it. |
| 13:30.07 | ``Erik | your jeep should be able to track fairly well in this east coast shit |
| 13:30.17 | ``Erik | ddo? |
| 13:30.27 | ``Erik | dance dance OBLIVION? |
| 13:30.39 | d-lo | vomits. |
| 13:30.56 | d-lo | No, not that retarded game. |
| 13:31.00 | d-lo | D&D online. |
| 13:31.08 | d-lo | playing the 10 day free trial. |
| 13:31.10 | ``Erik | did you see the generic rip-off at the bowling alley? |
| 13:31.25 | d-lo | Nope, must have missed it. |
| 13:31.35 | d-lo | Either that or my brain blocked it out from my memory on purpose. |
| 13:31.48 | ``Erik | they're redoing shit, it's amusing, in the "arcade" section, there is a ddr rip-off |
| 13:32.04 | ``Erik | richard claims it's going out due to green tube failure |
| 13:32.18 | d-lo | 'green tube failure' |
| 13:32.24 | d-lo | ... is that medical talk? |
| 13:32.31 | ``Erik | crt shit |
| 13:32.48 | d-lo | eww.... who uses crts anymore? |
| 13:33.02 | ``Erik | it's a halfassed ddr rip with a little crt and a shitty stomp pad thing |
| 13:33.50 | d-lo | heh, I threatend my mother-in-law's life when she mentioned she might get us that DDR pad for Xmas. |
| 13:34.12 | d-lo | We got copies of NWN instead :) |
| 13:34.56 | d-lo | hates DDR in case you haven't noticed. |
| 13:36.14 | d-lo | hey, where can you find the default size of the Socket buffer at the OS level? |
| 13:38.55 | ``Erik | um, usually it's the same as the page buffer |
| 13:39.03 | ``Erik | BUFSIZ in uh, stdlib.h I think |
| 13:39.08 | d-lo | kk. |
| 13:39.34 | d-lo | justr trying to size a socket buffer intelligently. |
| 13:39.49 | ``Erik | most os's have gone with 0-copy socket buffers, so it's a page |
| 13:41.02 | ``Erik | um, the ether spec says 1500, which comes out to like 1486 or something, but frags are recouped immediately now |
| 13:41.07 | ``Erik | *think* |
| 13:41.18 | d-lo | 1500 bytes? |
| 13:41.25 | ``Erik | *fail* 1k is probably a good size |
| 13:41.26 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 13:41.51 | ``Erik | there's crap fro "large packets"... heh, I d'no, I don't remember |
| 13:42.05 | d-lo | no worries... just looking for a starting point. |
| 13:42.40 | ``Erik | 1k is safe, 4k is common |
| 13:43.13 | ``Erik | BUFSIZ is usually 4k |
| 13:43.39 | ``Erik | if you get to the point where it actually matters, you'll know. |
| 13:44.18 | d-lo | well, I will be streaming several MB of data, so I am going to fill the buffer every time.. |
| 13:45.50 | ``Erik | don't sweat it until it becomes a problem |
| 13:46.14 | ``Erik | fragment collectors and buffers are pretty damn solid these days |
| 13:46.26 | d-lo | kk |
| 13:46.33 | d-lo | so what you upto today> |
| 13:46.34 | d-lo | ? |
| 13:46.55 | ``Erik | I need to write an abstract for a conference |
| 13:47.02 | ``Erik | and do some adrt/isst work |
| 13:47.05 | d-lo | abstract.... what? |
| 13:47.27 | ``Erik | uh, some v/l conf up in jersey that BC is all twisted in a knot about |
| 13:47.47 | d-lo | so an abstract presentation? |
| 13:48.17 | ``Erik | yeah, she wants me to present in like may, but it needs and abstract by end of jan |
| 13:48.41 | d-lo | wow... thats a bit ahead of schedule! |
| 13:49.02 | ``Erik | gov't is as gov't does |
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| 13:53.49 | Vivek | Where can I get the install instructions for brl-cad ? |
| 13:54.26 | Vivek | I have downloaded the 64 bit version and unzipped and untared it |
| 13:54.43 | d-lo | what OS? |
| 13:57.15 | Vivek | Ubuntu |
| 13:57.59 | d-lo | did you get the binaries or the source? |
| 13:59.19 | Vivek | d-lo: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/brlcad/brlcad_7.12.2_x86_64.tar.gz?modtime=1209452298&big_mirror=0 |
| 13:59.53 | Vivek | d-lo: Source from the above URL. |
| 14:00.42 | ``Erik | what is the fail? |
| 14:01.02 | d-lo | that looks like a Binary distribution. try running mged from rel-7.12.2/bin/ |
| 14:01.39 | Vivek | ``Erik: I need the howto to install it on ubuntu, a pointer to the revelant document would be nice.\ |
| 14:02.04 | Vivek | d-lo: I use ubuntu not rhel. |
| 14:02.23 | d-lo | Vivek: yes, you said that. |
| 14:02.30 | ``Erik | the code is the doc :D I'm not looking at your URL, the source is the one true way, fwiw |
| 14:02.54 | Vivek | ``Erik: ahaa |
| 14:03.12 | Vivek | I was looking for a install or readme file :) |
| 14:03.25 | ``Erik | we have both an INSTALL and a README |
| 14:03.34 | d-lo | like I said, You downloaded a Binary dist, so 'cd' over to whereveryouuntarredit/rel-7.12.2/bin/ and try running 'mged' |
| 14:04.14 | Vivek | So can you point me to the URL to download the latest souce :) |
| 14:04.34 | ``Erik | being a 30 year old program, we install to /usr/brlcad/ by default, old school unix style, yo |
| 14:05.00 | Vivek | ``Erik: ok... |
| 14:05.06 | ``Erik | yes, the sourceforge page has a link to the latest source, it's like 7.14.0 or something |
| 14:05.12 | d-lo | latest tarball of source: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105292&package_id=113368 |
| 14:05.36 | d-lo | or you can get a SVN checkout if you want the latest (perhaps not greatest ;) ) |
| 14:06.53 | Vivek | ``Erik and d-lo: Thanks |
| 14:08.47 | d-lo | np |
| 14:09.48 | Vivek | oops I had downloaded the binary earlier ;) |
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| 15:41.23 | starseeker | struggles back to something one might generously call awake and heads in |
| 15:41.46 | starseeker | mmm, purty snow |
| 15:41.51 | starseeker | this should be entertaining |
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| 18:25.10 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33611 10/brlcad/trunk/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Added the following functions to libged: ged_grid2model_lu, ged_grid2view_lu, ged_model2grid_lu, ged_model2view_lu, ged_view2grid_lu, ged_view2model_lu and ged_view2model_vec. |
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| 21:56.37 | brlcad | mm.. today was much better, that was fairly useful or at least interesting |
| 21:57.46 | brlcad | d-lo: that's one of those places where just using libpkg as the underlying transport will save a lot of work |
| 21:58.17 | brlcad | it's a fairly extensively tested codebase as it is that already parcels up and delivers data across a pipe through a fairly simple interface |
| 21:59.19 | brlcad | and it takes care of all of the portability issues that you won't encounter (tcp issues, drop outs, splits, kernel/system buffering, signals, etc) just testing on a couple platforms |
| 22:02.12 | brlcad | also, fwiw, our INSTALL file is in both the source and binary dists (in binary it's in share/brlcad/VERSION/doc/INSTALL iirc, otherwise the http svn URL helps) |
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| 00:56.32 | mafm | night |
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| 03:06.45 | yukonbob | evening cadheads |
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| 04:21.40 | brlcad | evening yukonbob |
| 04:46.35 | yukonbob | what's happening, 20h boy? |
| 04:48.09 | yukonbob | Hey -- we have an 'atom' primitive, don't we? |
| 04:48.24 | yukonbob | fuckinggooglesit. |
| 04:52.00 | brlcad | 20h? |
| 04:52.34 | brlcad | an atom primitive? there's a 'particle' primitive, otherwise you'd probably be best off using spheres |
| 04:53.23 | yukonbob | 20h wakefullness |
| 04:53.43 | yukonbob | particle is what I was thinking of... what are it's applications? |
| 04:53.43 | brlcad | there is a 'molecule' procedural geometry database generator that will create a model from Adams format |
| 04:53.48 | brlcad | ah, yup |
| 04:54.31 | brlcad | particle is more of a 'pill' primitive where you have two spheres connected via a tangent cylinder |
| 04:55.09 | brlcad | basically a pipe with rounded ends and you can independently adjust the radius of both ends |
| 04:56.05 | yukonbob | so, a sort of bar bell? |
| 04:57.59 | brlcad | no, not really |
| 04:58.11 | brlcad | if you want that, the 'molecule' procdb is more appropriate |
| 04:58.21 | brlcad | more like a pill |
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| 04:59.02 | yukonbob | what prompted it's creation -- seems like a strange primitive, or are there patterns that often call for it? |
| 05:00.04 | brlcad | I forget exactly what prompted it |
| 05:00.04 | yukonbob | ah... /me is imagining now... |
| 05:00.24 | brlcad | it's a bastard primitive, I think it should go away when it could be replaced with something more general |
| 05:00.24 | yukonbob | it really is shaped like an aspirin pill, or a 'Go' playing piece... right? |
| 05:00.56 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/primitives/part.png |
| 05:01.11 | brlcad | change the two radii, the shape changes |
| 05:01.27 | brlcad | make them equal, looks like a pill |
| 05:01.42 | brlcad | otherwise just a cylinder with rounded edges |
| 05:02.40 | yukonbob | sees. |
| 05:02.52 | yukonbob | a candidate for a simple macro, it seems to me... |
| 05:03.08 | yukonbob | truncated cone + couple half spheres |
| 05:03.31 | yukonbob | (or cylinder + half spheres) |
| 05:04.28 | brlcad | or whole spheres, just union them |
| 05:04.48 | brlcad | a cylinder is a truncated cone |
| 05:05.06 | brlcad | rcc is a tgc (under the hood) |
| 05:05.24 | yukonbob | nods (makes sense) |
| 05:06.03 | yukonbob | any tricks w/ itcl/itk and tcl 8.5 that you can recall since 8.5 became standard? |
| 05:06.20 | yukonbob | s/tricks/build tricks/ |
| 05:06.45 | yukonbob | or did it pretty much Just Work |
| 05:15.42 | brlcad | I recall it just working, though had to use the latest of both |
| 05:16.32 | yukonbob | ok... fair enough... I'm going to work on getting 8.5.6 + itcl 3.3 working on my box here, then proceed from there... |
| 05:16.43 | yukonbob | itcl4 will be a Future Project |
| 05:17.52 | yukonbob | heh... /me is imagining himself in the third person as irix64 |
| 05:18.06 | yukonbob | who want to see a screenshot of my running compiler? |
| 05:20.18 | Ralith | :P |
| 05:20.29 | yukonbob | Ralith: is that a "no"? |
| 05:22.35 | Ralith | hehe |
| 05:22.39 | Ralith | of course not! |
| 05:24.07 | yukonbob | heh... I'll send irix an email to post a png for you... |
| 05:26.38 | yukonbob | nice... here's an old pic I sent as a respose to Irix posting all this "compiler screen shots" and fscking havoc renders. |
| 05:26.54 | yukonbob | http://www.methodlogic.net/flat/gfx/brlcad.gif |
| 05:27.49 | louipc | yukonbob: hahhhha |
| 05:29.01 | Ralith | yukonbob: what WM is that? |
| 05:29.12 | yukonbob | probably wmii. |
| 05:29.20 | yukonbob | I've since moved even more primitive... dwm |
| 05:29.59 | louipc | why'd you switch? |
| 05:30.45 | yukonbob | it's a bit hazy -- I think there were some issues w/ wmii and xinerama at some point, then I just switched to dwm (and two displays) and never switched back... |
| 05:31.36 | yukonbob | the "biggest" feature of wmii (over dwm) is probably their plan9 protocol, like procfs to the wm... which I found confusing and hardly used... so... |
| 05:31.37 | louipc | ah |
| 05:32.35 | Ralith | likes xmonad |
| 05:32.38 | yukonbob | dwm is a single, simple exectuable w/ virtual workspaces and a few org methods (ie: tiling, overlapping, etc) for windows... it works, and that's it. |
| 05:32.48 | Ralith | very powerful, flexible, lightweight |
| 05:32.54 | Ralith | with good multi-display support, too, so I hear. |
| 05:32.56 | Ralith | just has the one |
| 05:33.10 | Ralith | of course, the config file is in haskell, but it's not that hard to hack. |
| 05:33.24 | yukonbob | dwm != flexible, per se. No config. Just #defines in source. |
| 05:35.43 | Ralith | that doesn't sound like much fun. |
| 05:36.33 | louipc | so every user needs their own executable for their own preferences hah |
| 05:37.00 | Ralith | that would be problematic. |
| 05:37.15 | yukonbob | not that many tuneables though... it's not built for chrome. |
| 05:37.16 | louipc | could be |
| 05:37.34 | Ralith | yukonbob: give xmonad a try sometime ^^ |
| 05:37.40 | Ralith | it's shiny. |
| 05:37.45 | yukonbob | heh |
| 05:37.50 | yukonbob | I'll keep it in mind.. |
| 05:37.55 | louipc | xmonad is tiling + floating yeah? |
| 05:38.13 | Ralith | it's really a tiling wm, but with support for making windows floating if necessary |
| 05:38.24 | Ralith | so things like modal dialogs don't get annoying |
| 05:38.31 | Ralith | file selectors, etc |
| 05:38.37 | louipc | I mean to try some of these, but I'm content with openbox so there's no motivation |
| 05:38.48 | Ralith | tiling wms are great |
| 05:38.54 | Ralith | so much more efficient |
| 05:39.00 | louipc | how so? |
| 05:39.14 | Ralith | no wasted screen space |
| 05:39.19 | Ralith | no wasted time rearranging things |
| 05:39.29 | Ralith | no wasted time reaching for the mouse to perform basic actions |
| 05:40.44 | louipc | ah. I don't have much window action really |
| 05:41.08 | louipc | just a few terms and screen pretty much :D |
| 05:41.19 | Ralith | having a keyboard driven design from the ground up is a big benefit, though |
| 05:41.32 | Ralith | and you'd be surprised how nice it is to have things not overlap |
| 05:41.47 | yukonbob | ^---is true, and unappreciated until tried. |
| 05:41.54 | Ralith | indeed. |
| 05:42.04 | Ralith | I used to think it was a horrible idea |
| 05:42.08 | louipc | yeah that is true |
| 05:42.14 | Ralith | then I got into haskell and decided to give xmonad a go just because |
| 05:42.19 | Ralith | never looked back |
| 08:01.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r33612 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/CMakeLists.txt: added some files to be in sync with Makefile.am |
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| 11:25.24 | d-lo | ``Erik or brlcad : do you have paulettes extention #? |
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| 13:41.54 | d-lo | nuthin eh? |
| 13:42.26 | d-lo | And here I thought PA would be used to snow. I have never seen roads this bad after 3 inches of snow + 1 inch of ice.... |
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| 13:49.38 | ``Erik | heh, yeah, I chickened out and am hiding from the weather today |
| 13:49.59 | ``Erik | I know 6339 rings on paulettes phone, but that's the BC's # |
| 13:57.57 | d-lo | found Paulette's. its 6304.... 4 more than ed's makes it easy |
| 13:58.36 | d-lo | I did a test run of thr roads and ran up to the local gas'n'go place. Roads are terrible. Its shocking really. |
| 14:39.41 | starseeker | will be trying in about an hour or so |
| 14:39.58 | starseeker | they must be working on them |
| 14:45.19 | d-lo | Bah... they had all night to work on em. Its not like this 'storm' was a surprise ;) |
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| 14:59.08 | ``Erik | is still hearing trucks scraping O.o |
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| 15:05.22 | carcarcdr | Hi ! |
| 15:06.30 | carcarcdr | I have some questions about brlcad ... |
| 15:06.59 | d-lo | saw a plow.... about 1/2 away :/ |
| 15:07.12 | d-lo | carcarcdr: Howdy! I'll answer any questions I can. |
| 15:07.22 | d-lo | saw a plow.... about 1/2 mile away :/ |
| 15:10.38 | carcarcdr | thank you so much d-lo ... |
| 15:11.07 | carcarcdr | the question is I'm evaluating brlcad against Catia and NX6 for a research project ... |
| 15:11.42 | carcarcdr | the fact is that I didn't find any spline manipulation tool ... tangencies ... etc ... |
| 15:13.07 | carcarcdr | Know thats CSL tool but it seems too low level for my project isn't it ? |
| 15:21.49 | d-lo | Hrm, perhaps. the guy named brlcad in this channel can answer those questions to a higher degree of techincality, but as of right now, we do not have spline capability finished. |
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| 16:11.49 | starseeker | whew. The Hotchkiss docs require a lot more work per page than the Mark VIII did |
| 17:24.47 | ``Erik | huh, two plows just came through my cul de sac |
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| 22:02.56 | brlcad | bah, wusses.. :) |
| 22:03.08 | starseeker | came in |
| 22:03.34 | starseeker | which doesn't necessarily invalid the point, granted... |
| 22:03.40 | brlcad | the streets to get out of the city and through aberdeen were absolutely aweful yet I managed to make it in with my little ice buggy |
| 22:04.00 | starseeker | I think it's a reward/risk calculation |
| 22:04.06 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:04.10 | brlcad | hence, wusses :) |
| 22:05.32 | brlcad | shame, carcarcdr left |
| 22:09.36 | starseeker | <snort> |
| 22:16.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33613 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add run command so mged regression actually does something |
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| 01:30.09 | mafm | night |
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| 02:09.30 | yukonbob | evening, cadheads |
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| 05:24.58 | brlcad | evening yukonbob |
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| 06:08.11 | yukonbob | is hopped-up on caffeine :P |
| 06:08.17 | yukonbob | not good at this time of night... |
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| 06:41.22 | brlcad | outstanding |
| 06:41.27 | brlcad | so just stay up through the night |
| 06:42.46 | brlcad | starseeker: cool, now that'd be a pretty good (and feasible) model to capture in detail and match/recreate the drawings |
| 06:55.48 | yukonbob | brlcad: :) |
| 06:56.07 | yukonbob | might pick on an itcl compile issue while up... |
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| 09:34.27 | mafm | hi |
| 09:45.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hello |
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| 11:30.04 | newbeesl | Hi everybody ! |
| 11:30.23 | newbeesl | searching for help about sketch extrusion parameters ... |
| 11:30.55 | newbeesl | i) Y Z ? |
| 11:31.04 | newbeesl | ii) X Y Z of H ? |
| 11:31.11 | newbeesl | iii) X Y Z of A ? |
| 11:31.21 | newbeesl | iv) X Y Z of B ? |
| 12:01.56 | d-lo | stretches. |
| 12:02.00 | d-lo | mernin all. |
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| 13:33.54 | brlcad | yawns |
| 13:38.50 | d-lo | heh, stop that... its contagious! |
| 13:41.10 | yukonbob | morning cadheads |
| 13:49.15 | d-lo | Mernin yukonbob! |
| 13:49.27 | ``Erik | heh |
| 13:49.41 | ``Erik | fun drive, d-lo? O.o |
| 13:50.15 | d-lo | Not really. Road was bone dry 'cept one 15 foot swath of "Oh dear god I am going to die" ice :) |
| 13:50.44 | ``Erik | up where I live, seemed like there was more ice than road :/ once I got down out of the hills, it was nice, though |
| 13:51.05 | d-lo | The ice was naaaaaaaaasty yesterday, but today seems just fine. |
| 13:51.24 | ``Erik | has more snow and ice on his car than there is on the ground down here O.O |
| 13:51.59 | d-lo | I was clearing the walkway to the cars and the snow/Ice i was shoveling on to the hill was skidding almost 200+ feet down the hill and into the main road. kinda creepy to watch it just keep going and going. Zero friction. |
| 13:52.18 | ``Erik | neat |
| 13:52.21 | d-lo | Perhaps snow and Ice appriciate a good car when it sees it. |
| 13:52.23 | ``Erik | I had to use a pickaxe |
| 13:53.22 | d-lo | I was sooooo tempted to get out the garden hose and create the 'Hill of Death" and go sledding.... but the wife called me stupid and said I couldn't. |
| 13:53.34 | brlcad | aww |
| 13:53.35 | d-lo | You have a pickaxe? Why? |
| 13:53.43 | brlcad | party pooper |
| 13:53.56 | brlcad | that coulda been neat :) |
| 13:54.10 | d-lo | At first I was put out by it, then I realized all the kids would have wanted to go down it also. |
| 13:54.18 | ``Erik | so when I get the urge to say "yo, lemme axe you a question", I can back it up |
| 13:54.25 | d-lo | lol |
| 13:55.07 | ``Erik | nah, every once in a while I have to dig a hole |
| 13:55.51 | ``Erik | then your back yard is basically a thin veneer of clay on scrap rock, you have to do some persuading before switching to the shovel |
| 13:56.32 | d-lo | well, isn't tough ground what led to the use of shallow graves? Oh, wait, you told me not to mention that stuff..... |
| 13:56.51 | d-lo | :D |
| 13:56.55 | ``Erik | before this morning, that was the last thing I used it for O.o my poor fishie |
| 13:57.09 | d-lo | You buried a fish? |
| 13:57.12 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 13:57.23 | d-lo | Wow, you are way more compassionate that I am then. |
| 13:57.34 | ``Erik | it was too big for burial at sewer |
| 13:57.56 | archivist | feed it to the cat |
| 13:58.05 | d-lo | I dunno, the Porcelean Express can handle quite a bit. |
| 13:58.43 | ``Erik | a) ain't got a cat, b) would a been too big for cat, c) had a life of weird aquarium chemicals so is probably poisenous to a cat |
| 13:59.10 | d-lo | did you have a 3' catfish or somethin? |
| 13:59.42 | ``Erik | um, he was only a little over a foot, but he was a variant of catfish, yes |
| 14:01.11 | d-lo | wow. Catfish might have eated the Cat. They are pretty mean, in my experience. |
| 14:01.44 | ``Erik | pleco, a suckerfish, not a normal catfish but the same family |
| 14:02.25 | d-lo | huh, neat. |
| 14:02.54 | d-lo | Never heard of a pet fish too big to flush. How long did you have him/her/it? |
| 14:03.16 | ``Erik | um, eight or nine years? |
| 14:06.18 | d-lo | Well, back to work. See you guys soon. The standup meeting moved to 1330 |
| 14:06.22 | d-lo | fyi |
| 14:13.22 | starseeker | k - thanks |
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| 14:55.18 | starseeker | finishes cleaning up cat barf and heads in |
| 14:55.36 | starseeker | pondering ways to make the cat accept a hair brush |
| 14:57.19 | archivist | mine liked it |
| 15:02.42 | starseeker | ours screams |
| 15:05.01 | d-lo | drugs |
| 15:05.17 | d-lo | tranq the cat and shave it. |
| 15:07.48 | starseeker | heh - I get in trouble when I suggest that |
| 15:07.54 | starseeker | really heads in this time |
| 15:10.06 | archivist | saw a couple of silly cats last night, the fur was too short to comb |
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| 20:02.18 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33616 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/material.c: tweak the unknown material/shader message slightly so it prints up more neatly. |
| 20:05.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33617 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/material.c: still spell out the shader, fix extra arg. |
| 20:09.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33618 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/material.c: style ws consistency cleanup, comments |
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| 20:12.17 | brlcad | ~spike spike1 |
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| 20:12.37 | brlcad | ~nslookup 128.220.159.20 |
| 20:14.34 | brlcad | hm, that's a hopkins ip |
| 20:14.50 | brlcad | ah! rob.. |
| 20:25.56 | brlcad | starseeker: did you figure out the compilation problem or still need help? |
| 20:26.08 | starseeker | well, figured out what was causing it |
| 20:26.10 | brlcad | from the glance at the log, libtool archive links weren't right |
| 20:26.13 | starseeker | not why it was causing it |
| 20:26.22 | starseeker | running the build from bash rather than tcsh worked |
| 20:26.44 | brlcad | hm |
| 20:26.52 | brlcad | did you rerun autogen.sh? |
| 20:26.57 | starseeker | yep |
| 20:27.03 | brlcad | still had same problem |
| 20:27.19 | starseeker | yep - only switching to bash and redoing everything fixed it |
| 20:27.48 | brlcad | k, well that's something then at least |
| 20:30.39 | brlcad | version of automake and libtool on that system? |
| 20:32.09 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33619 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_massprop.cpp: quell uninitialized warning since gcc4 is a little smarter figuring out that ON_SymTriDiag3x3EigenSolver does nothing |
| 20:32.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33620 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add a few more commands to the mged test. |
| 20:33.21 | starseeker | Hehe: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/eto_madness.png |
| 20:33.52 | brlcad | cool |
| 20:34.29 | d-lo | almost hurts the eyes.... |
| 20:34.38 | d-lo | what was the raytrace time on that? |
| 20:34.45 | starseeker | very fast, actually |
| 20:34.52 | starseeker | for that size anyway |
| 20:35.10 | starseeker | should make a carbon nanotube proc-db :-) |
| 20:35.28 | starseeker | should win the "completely pointless" award :-P |
| 20:36.03 | d-lo | make it render fast enough and it might make a cool screen saver! |
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| 20:39.33 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33621 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: dag nab it, still gotta fix and test the bit vectors with something that doesn't have the function call overhead nor rely on anything in common.h... |
| 20:39.57 | brlcad | mm, think I have a proper fix for that finally |
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| 22:40.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33622 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: add build_region, cp and mv to tests |
| 23:28.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33623 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: add 3ptarb arb make_bb cpi and mvall to tests |
| 23:28.32 | brlcad | wonders how bleak the tests are looking |
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| 23:29.14 | starseeker | haven't re-run it yet - one sec |
| 23:29.23 | starseeker | need new 7.12.6 control |
| 23:30.18 | Ralith | hey guys |
| 23:30.26 | brlcad | howdy Ralith |
| 23:30.58 | Ralith | so given some complex region/collection |
| 23:31.31 | starseeker | brlcad: Looks so far like just the expected fallout from the arbs and whatnot being different |
| 23:31.40 | brlcad | that's great |
| 23:31.41 | starseeker | at least, the failure areas could be accounted for by that |
| 23:31.51 | brlcad | if 'make' is the only thing different, that's not a show-stopper command |
| 23:32.06 | starseeker | interestingly, the sketch bounding box is different |
| 23:32.13 | Ralith | hm |
| 23:32.17 | Ralith | trying to think how to describe this |
| 23:32.21 | starseeker | that's a bit surprising - the sketch was a low level input |
| 23:32.42 | starseeker | still very very close to zero in all cases though |
| 23:32.47 | Ralith | perhaps I should start with my use case. |
| 23:33.37 | Ralith | For some forms of rapid prototyping, support material is required to allow production of surfaces which slope greater than 45 degrees away from vertical |
| 23:33.50 | Ralith | where 45 is really some odd number depending on conditions. |
| 23:34.07 | starseeker | hmm, grip bounding box changed too |
| 23:34.31 | Ralith | it seems to me that it *should* be fairly simple to computationally determine a region for this support material based on surface normals. |
| 23:34.58 | brlcad | sure, Ralith |
| 23:35.30 | Ralith | but nothing's coming to mind as to how to actually do it. |
| 23:35.35 | Ralith | thoughts? |
| 23:36.36 | brlcad | shoot a bunch of orthogonal rays, with each hit, you'll have a hit point and the normal at that point |
| 23:37.14 | brlcad | check the angle on each ray, if it fits the criteria, mark that region as needing support |
| 23:38.10 | Ralith | simple enough. I guess it'd be too hard to do it in a more elegant fashion? |
| 23:38.41 | Ralith | i.e. something that wouldn't reduce everything to a series of thin columns |
| 23:38.51 | Ralith | (not that that doesn't solve the problem) |
| 23:38.52 | brlcad | there's not any way that comes to mind where you could figure that out automatically for an arbitrary surface |
| 23:39.23 | brlcad | even one surface patch could have some sections that are within and some that aren't |
| 23:39.41 | Ralith | didn't think so. |
| 23:39.57 | Ralith | kk |
| 23:39.59 | Ralith | thanks |
| 23:49.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33624 10/brlcad/trunk/ (TODO include/bu.h): |
| 23:49.02 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: utilize CHAR_BIT from limits.h so that we can determine our shift size without |
| 23:49.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: relying on common.h/configure tests (since bu.h is a public header). this makes |
| 23:49.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: for bit vectors constructed from much smaller 8-bit blocks, but shows no |
| 23:49.08 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: appreciable difference on performance benchmarks (x86, 32-bit mac os x 10.4, |
| 23:49.18 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: gcc4) and specific large-bot testing. CHAR_BIT is POSIX, c99, and c90. |
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| 01:59.20 | mafm | night |
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| 03:17.46 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 03:23.43 | brlcad | howdy |
| 04:34.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | greetings |
| 05:13.33 | starseeker | scowls at the mirror docs |
| 05:17.21 | starseeker | may be heading into the source code for this one |
| 05:20.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33625 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add prefix to mged tests |
| 05:24.48 | starseeker | hmm - prefix doesn't work when it's scripted |
| 05:27.36 | starseeker | in 7.12.6 anyway |
| 05:27.44 | starseeker | should sleep now... |
| 05:36.30 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.53 | brlcad | maybe just add a XXX - note |
| 05:58.04 | yukonbob | XXX -- Vin Diesel was here. |
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| 11:12.45 | mafm | hi |
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| 13:23.29 | brlcad | g'morning mafm! |
| 13:47.40 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 14:04.09 | brlcad | *yawn* |
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| 15:36.08 | mafm | *yawn* |
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| 16:05.10 | ``Erik | man, cia is spoiling me. I don't wanna work on the chunk of adrt that doesn't spew to channel :D |
| 16:55.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33626 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/gqa.c: Modified the return values of parse_args. |
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| 18:02.56 | brlcad | ``Erik: heh |
| 18:03.01 | brlcad | so make it spew |
| 18:03.22 | brlcad | just takes a filter entry on the bot |
| 18:22.23 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33627 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add more commands to mged testing |
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| 18:33.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33628 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add i, keypoint and rm commands to mged testing |
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| 18:49.37 | ``Erik | eh, spewing internal code from the internal server wouldn't be so hot with the perimeter folk |
| 18:54.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33629 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add arced command to test script |
| 18:56.02 | brlcad | oooh |
| 18:56.06 | brlcad | i thought you meant a diff modulee |
| 18:56.12 | brlcad | not a diff repo |
| 18:56.28 | brlcad | would take slightly more than a diff filter too |
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| 19:59.46 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33630 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/gtools/g_diff.1 src/gtools/g_diff.c): added a rough cut at an "evolutionary" capability to g_diff. This attempts to guess if a change to a region was a natural evolution or if the region was "reworked" in some significant fashion. Requested by lbutler. |
| 20:00.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33631 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add in list of commands to work on next |
| 20:01.41 | ``Erik | laughs evilly |
| 20:04.49 | brlcad | o.O |
| 20:33.53 | smurfette | stabs erik in the eye |
| 20:35.33 | brlcad | tough love |
| 20:36.45 | smurfette | :) |
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| 20:40.22 | smurfette | http://news.aol.com/article/zombie-road-signs-attack-austin-texas/322482?icid=200100397x1218085198x1201194649 |
| 20:40.28 | smurfette | that's awesome |
| 20:51.33 | ``Erik | drives out the post sign O.o :D |
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| 21:24.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33632 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/prefix.c: Fixed a bug in ged_prefix (i.e. renamed object(s) not getting written to disk). |
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| 00:05.52 | ``Erik | "this sweater is gorgeous! I'll take one in wife size and three in mistress size" |
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| 00:30.53 | smurfette | see why he deserves the eye stabbings? :P |
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| 01:03.13 | starseeker | brlcad: Ah, training time again I see :-) |
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| 01:46.05 | yukonbob | hello cadheads |
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| 03:09.42 | ``Erik | yeah, cuz I quote simpsons :D |
| 04:04.23 | ``Erik | huh, that was a fairly intense episode of bsg |
| 04:05.08 | ``Erik | woulda been better if they wouldn't have shown their little "scenes from the next episode" thing, though |
| 04:07.43 | brlcad | yeah |
| 04:07.50 | brlcad | good one though |
| 04:12.15 | ``Erik | yeah, and only 3/10 of season 4.5 |
| 04:12.40 | ``Erik | with a 2 hour tv movie planned sometime after |
| 04:13.28 | ``Erik | wonders if he'll ever be able to watch the original series again O.o |
| 04:13.46 | ``Erik | (of course, a-team kinda messed that up... "look! it's face! er, I mean, starbuck!" |
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| 09:39.06 | csanyipal | Howdy! |
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| 14:26.40 | brlcad | yawns |
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| 15:34.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03BRL-CAD Wiki 071234 * r1 10WIKI/www: This is a test |
| 15:34.41 | brlcad | woo hoo! |
| 15:47.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03BRL-CAD Wiki 071234 * r1 10WIKI/www: This is a test |
| 15:48.06 | alex_joni | is seeing double |
| 15:48.19 | brlcad | good stuff! |
| 15:48.21 | brlcad | is happy |
| 15:48.38 | alex_joni | email? or xmlrpc? |
| 15:48.56 | brlcad | email for now |
| 15:49.00 | alex_joni | cool stuff |
| 15:50.53 | alex_joni | what type of wiki does brlcad use? |
| 15:50.59 | brlcad | mediawiki |
| 15:52.06 | alex_joni | I see.. thanks |
| 16:00.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03BRL-CAD Wiki 071234 * r1 10WIKI/www: This is a test |
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| 17:05.30 | brlcad | aww |
| 17:07.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 032 * rArray['rc_cur_id'] 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: Array['rc_comment'] |
| 17:11.08 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 032 * r86 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: test |
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| 17:14.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean * r86 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: test |
| 17:30.08 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean * r86 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: test |
| 18:11.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean * r86 10/wiki/$1/wiki/$1: test |
| 18:14.26 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean * r86 10WIKI/FAQ: test |
| 18:26.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/FAQ: test |
| 18:27.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/http://brlcad.org/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 18:46.29 | madant1 | err.. wiki on svn ? |
| 18:52.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/FAQ: test |
| 18:59.35 | brlcad | nope |
| 18:59.40 | brlcad | cia notification of wiki edits |
| 19:03.13 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/: test |
| 19:06.23 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07WIKI * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:07.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07 * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:27.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:38.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:38.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r86 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:40.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1164 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:41.32 | brlcad | woo hoo, I think that just about does it |
| 19:47.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1165 10/wiki/FAQ: test |
| 19:52.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1203 10/wiki/FAQ: still testing cianotify |
| 19:56.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1204 10/wiki/FAQ: no longer need the my. prefix |
| 19:57.32 | brlcad | outstanding |
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| 20:34.25 | IriX64 | mysite/terra.png <--- last nights effort :) |
| 20:42.41 | IriX64 | mc |
| 20:44.47 | brlcad | weren't you working on a patch? |
| 20:45.10 | IriX64 | the --version thing? |
| 20:45.16 | brlcad | infinitely more interesting than pictures |
| 20:45.30 | IriX64 | heh back burner at the moment |
| 20:46.36 | IriX64 | could say i don't answer to you but .... you'd probably kick me from the channel ;) |
| 20:50.14 | brlcad | meh, I can't make you do anything, but the pictures are really getting old and annoying because they are useless and uninteresting |
| 20:50.39 | IriX64 | is that everybody's feelings |
| 20:51.16 | brlcad | why do you think there have been a half-dozen people try to get you to do something productive? |
| 20:51.20 | IriX64 | they're comic releif at worst ;) |
| 20:51.29 | brlcad | no |
| 20:51.31 | brlcad | they are not |
| 20:51.38 | brlcad | at worst they waste people's time |
| 20:51.45 | IriX64 | ah |
| 20:51.46 | brlcad | and are a distraction |
| 20:52.07 | brlcad | if there was a joke, they might have some comedic value |
| 20:52.13 | brlcad | but it's not funny, never was |
| 20:52.14 | IriX64 | what are considered work hours here them? |
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| 20:53.10 | brlcad | do you mean when can you have permission to paste useless and uninteresting screenshots? |
| 20:53.39 | IriX64 | yes |
| 20:54.04 | brlcad | *sigh*, then never |
| 20:54.14 | IriX64 | ok |
| 20:54.18 | brlcad | if you're not going to change and not going to be productive, you're not helping |
| 20:54.30 | IriX64 | noted |
| 20:54.40 | brlcad | you've said that before |
| 20:54.44 | brlcad | you don't note it very long |
| 20:55.02 | brlcad | how about I make it clear and easy then |
| 20:55.12 | brlcad | NO MORE PICTURES (from you) |
| 20:55.24 | IriX64 | sure |
| 20:55.40 | brlcad | if you want to contribute in some other way, you're quite welcome |
| 20:55.48 | brlcad | just no more links to pictures |
| 20:55.58 | brlcad | or hints at links |
| 20:56.28 | brlcad | or whatever weaseling one could think of, no refs to pics |
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| 22:04.39 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 22:23.26 | madant | thinks wiki-updates on cia is awesome :) |
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| 22:39.21 | DavidChipman | Hi there.. |
| 22:40.09 | DavidChipman | I'm having trouble building BRL-CAD on Ubuntu 8.10 |
| 22:40.25 | madant | what trouble ? |
| 22:41.18 | DavidChipman | The configure script can't find TCL, or TK, and BRL-cad can't build them either. |
| 22:41.22 | madant | most common issue is not using --enable-all while configuring :) |
| 22:41.31 | madant | use --enable-all and try |
| 22:42.12 | DavidChipman | OK.... running configure right now. It's gonna take a while |
| 22:42.21 | brlcad | BRL-CAD "can't build them either" means what? |
| 22:42.50 | DavidChipman | It tries to look for a file called tk.h, aand doesn't find it. |
| 22:43.11 | DavidChipman | I'll post the errors (somwhere?) |
| 22:43.13 | brlcad | during what stage of the build? |
| 22:43.16 | brlcad | ~bzpaste |
| 22:43.26 | brlcad | hrmph |
| 22:43.38 | brlcad | pastebin.bzflag.bz will work |
| 22:43.44 | DavidChipman | I'm almost finished configure. I'll let you know. |
| 22:43.55 | DavidChipman | OK.. |
| 22:45.52 | brlcad | all of BRL-CAD's external dependencies are bundled in so configure has three modes of working -- 1) build all of the dependencies ourselves and don't use any system-installed versions, 2) don't build any of them and only use system-installed versions, or 3) automatically detect available system-installed versions and use the ones we find and build the rest |
| 22:46.00 | DavidChipman | Building now. I'm collecting stderr in brlcad.err |
| 22:46.25 | brlcad | a unified log would probably be more useful :) |
| 22:46.36 | DavidChipman | Well, the configure doesn't detect my tcl/TK 8.4 install |
| 22:46.41 | brlcad | since it'll have what directory it traversed into, what files were compiled, etc |
| 22:46.54 | brlcad | there's probably a reason for that |
| 22:47.29 | DavidChipman | OK. (stupid question?): How do I do that? |
| 22:47.32 | brlcad | buried deep in the various configure tests it determined it wasn't usable, probably had a big <<<<< section too ;) |
| 22:47.46 | DavidChipman | The unified log you're looking for |
| 22:47.55 | brlcad | make 2>&1 | tee build.log |
| 22:48.10 | brlcad | (presumes a posix-style shell) |
| 22:48.12 | madant | loves tee |
| 22:48.23 | DavidChipman | Agh, of course... |
| 22:48.32 | DavidChipman | smacks head |
| 22:48.42 | brlcad | 2>&1 being the trick to unify the outputs by sending err to out |
| 22:48.47 | DavidChipman | Shoud I just stop the build? |
| 22:48.54 | brlcad | sure |
| 22:48.56 | brlcad | it won't hurt it |
| 22:49.03 | DavidChipman | make clean? |
| 22:49.06 | brlcad | nah |
| 22:49.16 | brlcad | it'll pick up from where you killed it cleanly |
| 22:50.02 | DavidChipman | True enough, it's runing again, with the build log set up. |
| 22:50.43 | DavidChipman | It also didn't find Itcl (but I don't thin that's installed anyhow) |
| 22:51.02 | brlcad | that would probably be why it couldn't use your tcl/tk |
| 22:51.04 | DavidChipman | Just out of interest, what is TCL/TK used for? |
| 22:51.44 | DavidChipman | Huh? They aren't either/or then? |
| 22:51.54 | brlcad | if you didn't have itcl, it would have had to use the one we provide -- the one we provide is the latest and requires 8.5 tcl/tk |
| 22:52.26 | DavidChipman | Agh <spews profanity>. |
| 22:52.39 | brlcad | so you either had to install an itcl that works with 8.4, or let ours build (which is what it's doing now) |
| 22:53.00 | DavidChipman | Thanks.. |
| 22:53.09 | DavidChipman | I think.. ;) |
| 22:53.16 | brlcad | which should have happened by default either way |
| 22:53.23 | brlcad | if you ran into a build failure, that's something else |
| 22:53.55 | DavidChipman | Huh? I'm now goign to try and get itcl installed |
| 22:54.14 | brlcad | that incompatibility was mentioned via a big <<<<< section in the configure output |
| 22:54.45 | brlcad | you shouldn't need to, at least it shouldn't matter |
| 22:54.51 | DavidChipman | OK, I'm installing OTCl now.. |
| 22:54.57 | brlcad | brl-cad will compile and install isolated into /usr/brlcad anyways |
| 22:54.59 | DavidChipman | (ITCL, I mean) |
| 22:55.23 | brlcad | has to also include the itcl headers |
| 22:56.28 | DavidChipman | Well, I;'m now the proud owner of an ictl 3 installation ;) including itcl3-dev. I thought of that. Don't worry. Not that "thiick" |
| 22:57.43 | DavidChipman | It's building opennurbs right now.. |
| 22:57.58 | brlcad | btw, the only one we can generally guarantee is the enable-all option since we can fully control it -- mixtures of system and non-system components are rather finicky |
| 22:58.04 | brlcad | wow, that's a slow box |
| 22:58.42 | DavidChipman | Pentium D, 2.26 GHz... |
| 22:59.10 | brlcad | after it finishes opennurbs, it'll be about 25% done |
| 22:59.29 | DavidChipman | Thankks for the progess report |
| 22:59.38 | madant | maybe make -j4 |
| 23:00.02 | brlcad | yeah, utilize all your cpu's if it's an smp |
| 23:00.15 | DavidChipman | Start make *over again*? |
| 23:00.26 | DavidChipman | bursts into tears |
| 23:00.31 | DavidChipman | LOL |
| 23:00.43 | madant | don't worry it will pickup from where you left it :D |
| 23:00.59 | DavidChipman | I know, but.. agh.... |
| 23:01.10 | IriX64 | there's usually a trail of bread crumbs :) |
| 23:02.47 | DavidChipman | I'm not sure I understand, IriX64 |
| 23:03.20 | DavidChipman | Building with -j4 option |
| 23:03.58 | IriX64 | has a dual core, both are utilized |
| 23:04.02 | DavidChipman | Going faster now.... |
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| 23:14.49 | brlcad | if you want it to use your system libs, you would have to start over with a make clean, otherwise it's going the --enable-all route |
| 23:15.45 | brlcad | which frankly, I think you should just use --enable-all and let it build everything .. if that works, make it through the tutorials with your sanity intact, then can reinstall more leanly |
| 23:17.58 | yukonbob | brlcad: does the --enable-all install -everything- under PREFIX, or similar? |
| 23:18.05 | brlcad | yep |
| 23:18.23 | yukonbob | ie: all binaries and required libs. |
| 23:18.58 | yukonbob | gets off his high horse and prepares a --enable-all installation... |
| 23:29.00 | ``Erik | wait, I thought the manuals were there to induce the minimal amount of insanity required to use the software? O.o |
| 23:29.41 | ``Erik | wiki update notifications... neat, but ugly colors, and what happens when the spam bots find it? :D |
| 23:31.02 | brlcad | there have been no spams to the boards since they went live with the captcha checks and blacklists |
| 23:33.05 | ``Erik | cool, but I'm imagining the spammers are constantly looking for ways to subvert the defensive mechanisms |
| 23:33.37 | brlcad | didn't you read the thing about not succumbing to speculative fears |
| 23:33.58 | brlcad | even if someone does, now we'll get instant notification when it happens and can do something about it |
| 23:34.02 | ``Erik | is an anti-color nazi on irc, almost ever color has a special meaning in his precious bx, so he gets confused |
| 23:34.15 | brlcad | I have no color here, so dunno what you're talking about |
| 23:34.20 | brlcad | turn your color off |
| 23:34.21 | ``Erik | yeah, *shrug* ain't no such thing as unhackable, it's risk management, etc etc etc |
| 23:34.48 | ``Erik | heh, that'd involve looking at shitty docs or shitty code, and I'm illiterate and lazy :D |
| 23:35.16 | ``Erik | (though that is a good idea *ponder*) |
| 23:35.45 | ``Erik | how does a new feature on the old machine impact the migration? |
| 23:36.05 | brlcad | doesn't thusfar other than having been an 8-hour distraction to implement it |
| 23:36.34 | ``Erik | so the mediawiki plugins aren't going to be carried via backups? |
| 23:36.37 | brlcad | pretty snazzy, though .. I'll have to upload that to the official extensions list for others |
| 23:36.39 | ``Erik | rsync or something? |
| 23:37.02 | brlcad | they will, the backups are just backups though |
| 23:37.30 | brlcad | backups just take a few min to run to rsync the recent changes |
| 23:37.40 | brlcad | the /usr/web copy hasn't happened yet |
| 23:38.38 | DavidChipman | Looks like it built this time! |
| 23:43.14 | ``Erik | w00t |
| 23:44.41 | yukonbob | concurs |
| 23:46.31 | brlcad | indeed |
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| 23:54.52 | ``Erik | ponders finishing the porting of a project so he can eliminate the gnome1 stack from his server |
| 00:04.24 | DavidChipman | Erik, you've still got gnome1 on your system? |
| 00:05.13 | DavidChipman | BTW all, thanks for your help.. Now to figure out while things weren't found earlier.. |
| 00:05.36 | DavidChipman | I really wouuld rather use the system installs for things.. |
| 00:05.54 | DavidChipman | Is ther a reason we're using such a new TCL/TK version? |
| 00:07.14 | DavidChipman | bbl |
| 00:10.28 | brlcad | DavidChipman: much longer talk, but yeah there were a variety of reasons for bundling a newer version -- the fact that you can link against 8.4 was a bit of back-porting so that either would work |
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| 00:55.58 | DavidChipman | brlcad, What do you mean I could link against 8.4? It refused to find it! |
| 00:58.51 | DavidChipman | not that it matttttters now. I''m running the benchmark.. |
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| 01:03.13 | DavidChipman | wb, madant |
| 01:03.31 | madant | had gone for my morning run :) |
| 01:05.39 | DavidChipman | Ah, Ok. I't's evening here |
| 01:06.10 | madant | 6:36 am here now :D |
| 01:06.27 | madant | so how are u liking mged :) |
| 01:11.48 | DavidChipman | Haven't had a change to run it yet, going through the benchmark |
| 01:12.05 | DavidChipman | I'm a complete noobie to BRL-CAAD |
| 01:12.08 | brlcad | it found it, determined the version, and refused to *use* it |
| 01:12.25 | DavidChipman | What brlcad? |
| 01:12.35 | brlcad | 19:55 < DavidChipman> brlcad, What do you mean I could link against 8.4? It refused to find it! |
| 01:12.59 | brlcad | it'll link against it just fine |
| 01:13.04 | DavidChipman | Oh, OK. Thought you were interjecting about mged! Whoops! |
| 01:13.05 | brlcad | just has to have a matching itcl |
| 01:14.04 | DavidChipman | I understand. |
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| 06:52.52 | starseeker | brlcad: BTY, it looks like the changes to the make command for arbs were intentional - we should probably add a NEWS item about that so it's at least announced |
| 06:54.14 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33633 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add test for copymat command |
| 07:14.52 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33634 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add tests for push, putmat and xpush commands |
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| 08:21.33 | brlcad | starseeker: go for it |
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| 15:33.08 | troels | hello there |
| 15:33.25 | troels | Can I pose a quick question about brl-cad? |
| 15:36.41 | elite01 | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 15:36.52 | elite01 | although i probably can't answer it, someone else will |
| 15:39.11 | troels | very well.. I was wondering how the autocad DXF export is implemented? Do you use licensed libs from autodesk, or have you implemented something yourself? |
| 15:40.28 | troels | Thing is, I am looking for an open-source library to read/write autocad DXF files, if such a thing exists. |
| 16:03.08 | ``Erik | our own special stuff, for a subset of dxf type things. it's in src/conv/g-dxf.c |
| 16:03.47 | ``Erik | sorry, src/conv/dxf/g-dxf.c |
| 16:05.16 | ``Erik | (only does triangle meshes) |
| 16:16.09 | troels | what's the license? Is it ok to use for commercial application? |
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| 16:29.03 | ``Erik | blah |
| 16:29.45 | ``Erik | the license is LGPL |
| 16:31.00 | ``Erik | if you mean closed source instead of commercial, you'd have to go through some hoops to comply with the license (changing the code designed to create an executable into one making a library, and making that library's source available, or providing object files for 'all the other stuff', so the g-dxf.c can be recompiled and everything relinked) |
| 16:31.11 | ``Erik | uh, gnu.org would have a good description of the constraints |
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| 16:32.42 | troels | ok. Thats great. I think that would be the strategy anyway, as it is supposed to serve a program in an interpreted language anyway. |
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| 17:12.25 | brlcad | turning any of our libs into a converter would be a good thing |
| 17:12.37 | brlcad | need to sort out a callback api at some point |
| 17:12.58 | brlcad | so they can be migrated into plugin-libs for libgcv |
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| 17:44.07 | brlcad | ~vc |
| 17:44.08 | ibot | the BZFlag development platform of choice. |
| 17:44.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:44.18 | brlcad | ~.vc |
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| 18:18.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1205 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_g: reword the object names in the example since .nmg could be confused with a primitive |
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| 18:32.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 0398.218.53.50 07http://brlcad.org * r1206 10/wiki/Overview: give the gallery some firm sizes so the images can be resized |
| 18:32.10 | brlcad | loves it! |
| 18:32.30 | brlcad | i'm inclined to edit more wiki pages even.. |
| 18:32.38 | brlcad | and turn off my rss notifications.. |
| 18:32.53 | brlcad | e-mail diffs would be nice though |
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| 20:50.32 | brlcad | ``Erik and starseeker -- if you're feeling spontaneous, having a superbowl party today and you're welcome to come on by |
| 20:51.00 | brlcad | couple folks are already here, game starts around 6 |
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| 02:14.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33635 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add basic tests for accept, reject and tra commands |
| 02:17.49 | starseeker | woot - commit during superbowl |
| 02:19.11 | starseeker | chalks up another nerd merit badge |
| 02:21.52 | Ralith | heh |
| 02:22.22 | ``Erik | superwhat? |
| 02:23.02 | ``Erik | dangit, missed brlcad's gala :( |
| 02:23.10 | ``Erik | I should look here more often heh |
| 05:16.17 | starseeker | brlcad: Hmm. the hyp primitive isn't behaving correctly where commands like tra are concerned |
| 05:16.38 | starseeker | brlcad: Do I need to implement an xform function or some such? |
| 05:16.59 | starseeker | it could be my clever little external/internal parameter setup is coming back to haunt me |
| 05:33.56 | brlcad | starseeker: hm, hyp should be complete |
| 05:34.28 | brlcad | and, hehehe regarding superbowl commit :) |
| 05:34.28 | brlcad | fantastic |
| 05:35.01 | brlcad | I'd actually never made an 'event' of the 'bowl before, but more an excuse to have folks over and watch on the big screen, listen to some tunes, watch some shows |
| 05:35.32 | brlcad | ``Erik: next time! |
| 05:40.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33636 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/hyp/hyp.c: rt_hyp_xform() isn't used. it uses rt_generic_xform(). |
| 05:41.45 | brlcad | starseeker: dunno what you mean, it worked back when I originally tested it, and it's just using rt_generic_xform() .. which 'should' be right.. |
| 05:55.07 | starseeker | brlcad: sorry I didn't make the bowl game, sounds like it was a good one! |
| 05:55.15 | starseeker | brlcad: Hmm - let me try again |
| 05:55.53 | starseeker | The following results in strange behavior for me: |
| 05:55.56 | starseeker | make hyp.s hyp |
| 05:56.00 | starseeker | sed hyp.s |
| 05:56.06 | starseeker | tra -10000 0 0 |
| 05:56.49 | starseeker | and reset doesn't return to where it was |
| 05:58.35 | starseeker | OH, I see |
| 05:58.55 | starseeker | it's not the parameters that are misbehaving, it's the view itself |
| 06:00.12 | starseeker | hmm - that somehow feels unexpected to me, looking at the before and after... |
| 06:01.26 | starseeker | ah ha - reset is NOT returning it to the origin |
| 06:02.56 | starseeker | grr |
| 06:03.22 | starseeker | ok, later for that |
| 06:26.49 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 06:45.35 | brlcad | starseeker: hm, that could just be a bug with the libged migration |
| 06:51.35 | brlcad | if it does it differently for ell/sph/tor/whatever, that'd be a problem, otherwise it's just a decision |
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| 09:07.53 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
| 09:12.33 | mafm | hi brlcad |
| 09:12.45 | mafm | isn't a bit too early (late) for you? :) |
| 09:15.01 | brlcad | a lil bit |
| 09:15.11 | brlcad | up late working on some things |
| 09:15.46 | brlcad | code code type type design |
| 09:19.32 | mafm | you're coding I hope, designing stresses the brain harder :D |
| 09:27.48 | brlcad | both |
| 09:31.52 | mafm | uhg :P |
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| 10:34.23 | ruskie | lo |
| 10:34.56 | ruskie | trying to build 7.14.0 but getting a: bombardier.c:36:16: error: tk.h: No such file or directory \n make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/brlcad-7.14.0/src/util' error |
| 10:35.24 | ruskie | and yes I tried with --enable-all and with using the system one(but that failed differently as well) |
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| 12:59.43 | brlcad | ruskie: ah, that was fixed shortly later -- edit src/util/Makefile.am |
| 12:59.56 | brlcad | should have in it: bombardier_CFLAGS = ${TK_CPPFLAGS} ${TCL_CPPFLAGS} |
| 13:00.54 | ruskie | will try that |
| 13:01.02 | ruskie | it should be possible to build with system libs right? |
| 13:02.02 | brlcad | depends on the libs |
| 13:02.10 | brlcad | but sure, it's possible |
| 13:02.21 | brlcad | rarely happens for anyone to get all 'no' |
| 13:02.25 | ruskie | plain vanilla upstream sources |
| 13:03.48 | brlcad | yeah, all of the sources aren't modified except for openNURBS (that's an entire subsystem) |
| 13:06.04 | ruskie | yeah won't touch that one never really planned to as well |
| 13:06.21 | ruskie | but want to make the source mage spell use as much system libs as possible |
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| 13:11.26 | Axman6 | http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/01/30 awesome |
| 13:12.16 | brlcad | ruskie: ah, yeah.. with a package management system, you should be able to get nearly all 'no' if they're already in the system |
| 13:12.38 | brlcad | the hard part is mixing tcl extensions with some system and some non-system |
| 13:13.02 | brlcad | like if we have to build incrTcl, that then requires a specific version of tcl/tk too (8.5) |
| 13:13.23 | ruskie | 8.5.7 is the one we have atm |
| 13:13.40 | ruskie | I'll have to probablly make a few extra spells like for tkhtml3 and such like... |
| 13:14.26 | ruskie | all this just so I can open up the openmoko gta02 cad files.. :) |
| 13:16.46 | brlcad | speaking of opennurbs .. full support for the geometry formats contained in those pro/e, iges, and step cad files is part of our ongoing development |
| 13:17.13 | brlcad | you'll get them in wireframe now -- there's been debates over whether you can get a shaded view rendering of the nurbs surfaces |
| 13:18.39 | ruskie | they are available in all 3 formats... |
| 13:19.45 | ruskie | I thought the defacto standard were autocad files... dxf or whatever those are.. |
| 13:21.38 | brlcad | not really |
| 13:22.07 | brlcad | they only support a couple geometry formats and are inherintly non-solid for certain entity types |
| 13:22.20 | brlcad | iges was the main format for years, but step is the newer iso standard |
| 13:22.24 | brlcad | supports everything under the sun |
| 13:22.52 | brlcad | we don't yet have a step importer, though -- at least not till end of year, it's being worked |
| 15:15.11 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, have you seen the story on SourceForge about forgemil.com? |
| 15:15.26 | PrezKennedy | *er |
| 15:15.30 | PrezKennedy | i mean slashdot |
| 15:19.34 | brlcad | yeah |
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| 15:21.05 | PrezKennedy | at first it looked like a phishing scam with the poor whois information and the way the certificates were done |
| 15:23.08 | ``Erik | nah, gov't always fucks up whois and certs |
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| 15:24.02 | ``Erik | been a big stink in apples fedtalk about the new cross-dept stuff the af is rolling out never having valid certs O.o too many people going "whuddya mean it's not valid? I'm the damn gov't!" |
| 15:24.49 | brlcad | the first project was started by an intern, probably registered it himself |
| 15:25.57 | ``Erik | has created certs for 'secure' websites at work O.o :D |
| 15:26.37 | brlcad | yeah, almost guaranteed it was something similar to our forge, just this kid made it public and sound official |
| 15:35.04 | PrezKennedy | brilliant |
| 15:35.22 | PrezKennedy | was wondering why it was forgemil.com |
| 15:35.36 | PrezKennedy | if the military cant even get a mil address, who can?? |
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| 15:44.57 | brlcad | a kid that didn't want to go through the process |
| 15:45.52 | ``Erik | missed something |
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| 15:46.54 | brlcad | lots of regs about what you can and cannot do, I suspect that site won't be up for much longer with that name if it was an internal job |
| 16:10.41 | PrezKennedy | regs upon regs and regs on those regs |
| 16:33.35 | starseeker | brlcad: there's no doubt - the H and A vectors need to be defined relative to the hyp origin, and tra is adding to each vector individually |
| 16:34.24 | starseeker | the eto manages this, but I'm not sure how |
| 16:35.06 | brlcad | the tgc doesn't, though.. and hyp should match tgc almost identically (at least in terms of xform and parameters) |
| 16:36.27 | starseeker | the vertex and the top do move with a tra on the tgc, but the H vector does not |
| 16:36.37 | starseeker | nor do A, B, C or D |
| 16:37.13 | brlcad | have you looked at how rt_generic_xform() does what it does? |
| 16:38.10 | starseeker | not yet - been trying to figure out how tgc/eto are distinguishing between points to translate and points not to |
| 16:38.29 | brlcad | AHA, I bet I know where the bug is |
| 16:38.42 | brlcad | rt_generic_xform() relies on just passing a transformation matrix to export() |
| 16:38.51 | brlcad | I bet hyp's export() routine is doing some bad juju |
| 16:38.57 | starseeker | ah |
| 16:39.26 | brlcad | that should be easy to pinpoint, just look for export5 in src/librt/primitives/hyp/hyp.c |
| 16:39.33 | brlcad | rt_generic_xform() is in src/librt/table.c |
| 16:40.03 | brlcad | unless someone moved everything ;) |
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| 16:52.44 | starseeker | hmm - tgc is using a vec that's fastf_t vec[3*6], and hyp thinks it has one that's vec[ELEMENTS_PER_VECT * 4] - that suggests quaternions to me in the case of hyp... |
| 16:54.50 | starseeker | seeks the Wisdom of Bob |
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| 17:09.56 | starseeker | odd... |
| 17:10.27 | starseeker | doesn't see anything earth shaking in export, aside from (perhaps) the size of vec |
| 17:17.45 | starseeker | looks like the magic happens before export5 |
| 17:17.58 | starseeker | or at least, before the second call to export5 |
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| 18:51.55 | brlcad | starseeker: oops, I meant import |
| 18:52.13 | brlcad | rt_generic_xform() does an export/import to apply the transform |
| 18:52.25 | brlcad | export just takes units, import takes the matrix to apply |
| 18:52.41 | brlcad | so any matrix math in import5() for hyp is probably suspect |
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| 18:53.20 | brlcad | a vec[ELEMENTS_PER_VECT*4] would more likely just be a homogenous 4x4 matrix |
| 18:53.59 | brlcad | vec[3*6] sounds like 6 basic vectors for each of the tgc params |
| 18:56.54 | brlcad | if that fails, kick off the debugger and put a break on rt_generic_xform() and follow what happens on a simple tra |
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| 19:03.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33637 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: bokkers reported that using file->export doesn't seem to be working on windows xp. probably some i/o failure or tempfile issue. waiting for tests of 'keep'. |
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| 19:26.18 | starseeker | yes, import5 is wrong - what's right seems a bit subtle though - is mat_t documented somewhere as to what each entry represents? |
| 19:28.37 | brlcad | mat_t is a standard 4x4 homogenous matrix |
| 19:29.23 | brlcad | some useful links: http://www.geocities.com/evilsnack/matrix.htm http://planning.cs.uiuc.edu/node111.html http://www.ee.unb.ca/tervo/ee4353/htm.htm |
| 19:29.54 | starseeker | k, thanks |
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| 19:29.59 | brlcad | the upper-left 3x3 basically control translation, rotation, scaling, and shearing factors |
| 19:30.30 | brlcad | the outermost controls homogeneity |
| 19:31.38 | brlcad | er, 4x3 |
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| 19:32.40 | brlcad | if you read up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_matrix .. it gets to homogeneous coordinates in the affine transformation section |
| 19:32.52 | brlcad | that's basically the deal |
| 19:50.07 | starseeker | brlcad: is there a utility to print out a mat_t? |
| 19:50.19 | starseeker | when debuggin? |
| 19:55.29 | starseeker | nevermind, found it - bn_mat_print |
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| 20:14.33 | starseeker | Ah HA |
| 20:15.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33638 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/hyp/hyp.c: Fix bug with handling of transformations on hyp primitive - shouldn't be treating vectors like points. |
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| 20:23.23 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33639 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/librt/primitives/hyp/hyp.c): Base to neck ratio in hyp should not be scaled with other parameters, result is unexpected - update NEWS file. |
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| 22:11.39 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33640 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add tests for translate, mirface, permute, facedef |
| 22:24.03 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33641 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Clean up some of the mged_test tests a bit, fix obvious errors |
| 22:29.18 | brlcad | starseeker: nice work! |
| 22:29.32 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks! |
| 22:30.04 | starseeker | derives satisfaction from stomping the last known hyp bug - that had been nagging at me for a while off and on. |
| 22:34.40 | brlcad | interesting that it'd be getting a transformation matrix with non-zero 12/13/14 positions |
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| 00:45.43 | mafm | night |
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| 03:04.12 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
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| 05:25.29 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33642 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am spring.c): Definitely NOT ready for prime time yet, but the rough outlines of a proc-db logic for spring generation are now working well enough to generate a reasonable looking pipe. |
| 05:57.36 | brlcad | you started that back in 2008? :) |
| 07:42.15 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || GSoC 2008 Highlight: new prototype gui, check it out! || Source Release 7.14.2 release this week (20080202) | |
| 07:53.28 | brlcad | implodes |
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| 08:19.56 | ruskie | erm... |
| 08:20.34 | ruskie | brlcad, you sure you got the date on that right? |
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| 08:30.39 | Defcon | Maloeran, still alive? |
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| 11:52.36 | brlquestions | Hi everybody ! |
| 11:53.32 | brlquestions | Somebody listening ? |
| 11:55.11 | d-lo | Most of the time, yes. If there isnt any response in the channel, just drop a question and check back later. Most all the Devs read the backlog |
| 11:55.27 | brlquestions | OK thanks ... |
| 11:55.37 | brlquestions | Here it is: |
| 11:55.52 | brlquestions | I'm performing some sketch extrusion ... |
| 11:56.08 | brlquestions | it seems to be a closed loop sketch. |
| 11:56.28 | brlquestions | I verified that looking at the ascii code and checking all sketch nodes |
| 11:56.42 | brlquestions | (beziers connected with arcs) |
| 11:57.05 | brlquestions | after the extrusion I perform some volume boolean operations with other solids |
| 11:57.25 | brlquestions | and after that it raytraces correctly but I can't export to STL with the |
| 11:57.30 | brlquestions | following error message: |
| 11:57.56 | brlquestions | rt_extrude_tess: A loop is not closed in sketch frontal |
| 11:57.57 | brlquestions | tessellation failed!! |
| 11:57.57 | brlquestions | nmg_booltree_leaf_tess(ext): tessellation failure |
| 11:58.00 | brlquestions | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.03 | brlquestions | 0 triangles written |
| 11:58.13 | brlquestions | What can I do to ensure my sketch is closed ? |
| 11:59.31 | brlquestions | Thank you very much in advance ! |
| 12:00.44 | d-lo | Well, brlcad himself will need to chime in on this when he wakes, but I would really need to see the sketch and the resultant .g file. dloman77@gmail.com if you want to have me take a look at it. |
| 12:03.10 | brlquestions | OK thank you ! |
| 12:11.36 | starseeker | brlcad: er, no - copy/paste fails again |
| 12:17.35 | d-lo | brlquestions: Took a look at the data, and it seems sound. I am wondering if tesselation/facetization is implemented for sketches and extrudes. If there is, there might be a bug since I was getting treewalk errors. |
| 12:18.04 | d-lo | I can't help ya, but mebbe someone else can shed light on the subject. Its just barely morning here, so give it a few hours. |
| 12:19.15 | brlquestions | OK thank you. So the data seems to be well connected is it correct ? |
| 12:19.50 | d-lo | brlquestions: It looks correct, but I didn't go Vertex by Vertex. I don't have *that* much free time :) |
| 12:20.22 | brlquestions | OK thank you again ... I'll wait for more opinions. |
| 12:42.24 | brlquestions | After performing some additional checks and examples ... |
| 12:42.43 | brlquestions | I found that loops made of arcs mixed with beziers and other arcs don't extrude |
| 12:43.00 | brlquestions | well for the STL export routine. |
| 12:43.30 | brlquestions | Closed beziers work well and also circles but not closed with arcs. |
| 12:43.57 | d-lo | was this discovered via experimentation or documentation? |
| 12:44.05 | brlquestions | experimentation ... |
| 12:44.33 | d-lo | Ah, well then good to know. Will you still be able to complete what you set out to do? |
| 12:45.14 | brlquestions | Sorry I didn't understand your last sentence ... |
| 12:45.25 | brlquestions | can you reformulate your question ? |
| 12:45.52 | d-lo | Will you be able to complete your project? |
| 12:46.30 | brlquestions | I would like to combine arcs with beziers in sketches beeing extruded ... |
| 12:46.48 | brlquestions | anyway I can recompute arcs as beziers to join them together ... |
| 12:47.17 | brlquestions | but it would imply many development hours ... |
| 12:47.47 | brlquestions | I was thinking also if maybe it has to do with order in which entities are |
| 12:47.52 | brlquestions | posted into the sketch ... |
| 12:48.27 | brlquestions | like joining two arcs between points 13 and 14 / 14 and 13 or 13 and 14 ... |
| 12:52.50 | starseeker | d-lo: when does training start? |
| 12:55.32 | d-lo | starseeker: The security thingy? |
| 12:55.39 | starseeker | yeah |
| 12:56.07 | d-lo | My calendar says 1300 |
| 12:56.12 | starseeker | k - thanks |
| 12:56.23 | d-lo | np |
| 12:56.35 | starseeker | will hit gym this morning then |
| 13:01.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33643 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/spring.c: Uh, yeah, didn't start this in 2008 (thanks Sean) |
| 13:12.56 | ruskie | hmm brlcad or anyone else... can itcl 4 be used instead of 3.3? |
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| 14:08.21 | ``Erik_ | sweet, 7.14.2 was released a year ago, we're getting so good, we release before we start! |
| 14:14.58 | ``Erik | bleh, all cuz some fuckwit had to ask how they'd know we were there *sigh* |
| 14:56.26 | brlcad | ruskie: heh, I guess not |
| 14:58.37 | Defcon- | hey brlcad :) |
| 14:58.42 | Defcon- | long to no C |
| 14:58.53 | Defcon- | have you heard of maloeran lately? |
| 14:59.25 | brlcad | Defcon-: define lately |
| 14:59.25 | Defcon- | also, time* |
| 14:59.30 | Defcon- | last 6 months |
| 14:59.33 | brlcad | had lunch with him a few months back |
| 14:59.49 | brlcad | probably about 4-5 months ago |
| 15:00.09 | Defcon- | hmm |
| 15:00.16 | Defcon- | and in here? |
| 15:00.30 | Defcon- | or by other means of communication? |
| 15:00.35 | brlcad | brlquestions: that sounds like a bug in the extrude tessellation routine, can you make a tracker item for it? |
| 15:00.54 | brlcad | tessellation support was just added the last release, so bugs were bound to be there |
| 15:01.16 | brlcad | Defcon-: erhm, lunch as in sitting next to him eating lunch :) |
| 15:01.27 | Defcon- | yeah :) |
| 15:01.36 | Defcon- | but more recently ? |
| 15:01.40 | brlcad | ~seen malorean |
| 15:01.42 | ibot | brlcad: i haven't seen 'malorean' |
| 15:02.03 | Defcon- | Maloeran is in the channel |
| 15:02.19 | Defcon- | ~seen Maloeran |
| 15:02.20 | ibot | maloeran is currently on #brlcad (7d 9h 29m 35s), last said: 'Hey Hal'. |
| 15:02.41 | Defcon- | last said: 'Hey Hal'. <== when was that? |
| 15:03.07 | Defcon- | ~seen Defcon |
| 15:03.08 | ibot | defcon <i=defcon@mail.cavale.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 6h 32m 29s ago, saying: 'Maloeran, still alive?'. |
| 15:03.14 | Axman6 | how long's ibot been around? |
| 15:03.15 | Defcon- | hmm lol |
| 15:04.00 | brlcad | I talked to him in here a couple months ago more recently |
| 15:04.04 | brlcad | but it wasn't an in-depth talk |
| 15:04.29 | Defcon- | he is a busy man indeed.. |
| 15:07.11 | Defcon- | but, his personal project (codename: Kingdoms) is on hold for about 6 months now.. |
| 15:07.20 | Defcon- | maybe he forgot about it :) |
| 15:08.31 | brlcad | probably just busy |
| 15:08.35 | brlcad | or bored |
| 15:08.45 | Defcon- | probably busy |
| 15:08.55 | Defcon- | he was really looking forward to the project |
| 15:09.04 | Defcon- | so it seemd |
| 15:11.11 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 15:12.23 | Defcon- | â_â |
| 17:17.24 | brlquestions | brlcad: Just posted the issue on sourceforge tracker ... thanks everybody ! |
| 17:17.28 | brlquestions | bye ! |
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| 17:20.02 | brlcad | nice |
| 17:20.13 | brlcad | bets john will investigate |
| 17:43.11 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33644 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Updated to use jscience (instaed of jade) |
| 18:52.03 | ``Erik | nice "I think I've just spent the last 14 hours in emacs and barely noticed the day is over. *gushgush*..." "I bet whatever you were doing in emacs for 14 hours I could have done in 5 minutes with Vim ;)" "how does it take you 5 minutes to start vim?" |
| 18:55.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33645 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/numerics/BoundingBox.java: renamed some variables that were hiding fields |
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| 19:24.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33647 10/rt^3/trunk/src/ (GeometryEngine/Makefile.am iBME/Makefile.am): Modified makefiles for DataStreamTest. |
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| 20:39.12 | brlcad | starseeker: the press command |
| 20:40.37 | starseeker | how do I supply the deep submenu to press as an argument? |
| 20:42.29 | starseeker | oh, I see |
| 20:45.42 | starseeker | still doesn't work - that menu press pops up a dialog |
| 20:47.22 | starseeker | wow, for a command line command this is heavily tied to the graphics |
| 21:06.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33649 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (gtools/g_qa.c libged/gqa.c): Tweak the usage message and the message complaining about the missing density data. |
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| 21:46.01 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33650 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/chgmodel.c: Fixed bug/typo in f_make (i.e. the problem was that things were set up to use av, but av was never used). |
| 22:03.17 | yukonbob | !ha -- did anybody read the story about comcast inadvertantly (?) broadcasting ~30s porn during the superbowl to some subscribers? |
| 22:44.11 | starseeker | wonders if they gained or lost business because of that... |
| 23:07.15 | ``Erik | it was only in tuscon and was only dude junk, so... well, it was during football, which is awfully homoerotic to begin with, so who knows |
| 23:09.38 | ``Erik | "superb owl porn" hah |
| 23:10.46 | smurfette | why are you looking up owl porn? |
| 23:11.22 | starseeker | doesn't want to know... |
| 23:12.04 | ``Erik | there's a smacksnot story about the superbowl porn incident, and one of the comments was "what's wrong with superb owl porn?" |
| 23:12.05 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:12.56 | smurfette | mmmmhmmmm |
| 23:13.02 | smurfette | worries about erik |
| 23:13.07 | ``Erik | YARLY! |
| 23:13.13 | smurfette | ;p |
| 23:13.28 | ``Erik | all your owl are belong to my penor O.o and other failed internet memes. |
| 23:13.45 | smurfette | nerd |
| 23:32.06 | yukonbob | I for one welcome our superb owl porn overlords. |
| 23:32.44 | starseeker | has never heard the presidential election described quite that way ;-) |
| 23:33.26 | ``Erik | it's a hoot </horriblepun> |
| 00:23.03 | ``Erik | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/02/29/ted-2008-crow-vendin.html skeers me |
| 01:02.28 | mafm | night |
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| 02:17.40 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i still need to see it |
| 02:19.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i was not one of the 92.4 million that watched the game |
| 02:19.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | anyone else having trouble starting archer? |
| 02:20.01 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1899103 |
| 02:20.24 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: works here |
| 02:20.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thanks, both |
| 02:21.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | probably my bad installation |
| 02:21.47 | brlcad | that was one of the best sb commercials |
| 02:22.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | recompiling, brb |
| 02:25.31 | ``Erik | "chinlone: a new sport that's like soccer, only interesting." hehehe |
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| 02:47.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i don't suppose that originated in, say, china |
| 02:55.20 | ``Erik | burma, apparently |
| 02:57.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | eh, close (sorta) |
| 03:06.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | archer gives: |
| 03:06.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | unknown option "-menu" |
| 03:06.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | then tells me that the error is unexpected, aborting |
| 03:07.34 | ``Erik | hm, did you build with --enable-all ? |
| 03:10.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | make clean;CFLAGS="-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -msse3 -mmmx -m3dnow -pipe -march=opteron -w" CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" ./configure --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --enable-64bit-build --enable-optimized --disable-debug --prefix=/usr/local --with-gnu-ld ;make -iks --no-print-directory;make html-recursive; make install |
| 03:10.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no |
| 03:10.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | are any of those options problematic? |
| 03:10.30 | ``Erik | it may be that archer is using features added after your version of tk |
| 03:11.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tk ver 8.5.6 |
| 03:11.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | should i retry with internal tk? |
| 03:11.44 | ``Erik | um, possibly, we have a tuned set of optimizations, --enable-optimized should be used instead of that CFLAGS stuff (there might be conflicts), and --build should theoretically be left to do its own |
| 03:12.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | does -optimized find my processor type (-march) |
| 03:12.25 | ``Erik | --with-gnu-ld would be assume, and I believe --enable-optimized insinuates --disbale-debug |
| 03:12.45 | ``Erik | it finds a good enough match based on what the skeery weird shit we do is :D |
| 03:12.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | fair enough |
| 03:13.10 | ``Erik | the general rule is "when it don't work right, just do "./configure --enable-all --prefix=wherever" |
| 03:13.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | can i use parallel make (-j 17) |
| 03:13.20 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 03:13.40 | ``Erik | and we have a 'fast' build rule that helps if you have more than 8 or so cores |
| 03:13.45 | ``Erik | make -j23 fast |
| 03:14.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i only have dual-proc, dual core, and i am using a new kde, so i need some processor left ;) |
| 03:14.31 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:14.44 | ``Erik | so the fast rule won't benefit you :D |
| 03:14.48 | ``Erik | nice make -j3 |
| 03:14.49 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:14.51 | brlcad | 8.5.6 should be fine, but it's an easy enough recompile to make sure .. suspect it's just something minor |
| 03:15.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | probably, seems to be someting with bwish, if i followed strace correctly |
| 03:15.37 | ``Erik | ya didn't show up today, brlcad :) the tl was wondering where you were, and ya missed korean |
| 03:15.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | it made a 10 meg trace, so you can only read that in so much depth |
| 03:15.49 | brlcad | i sent him e-mail |
| 03:16.20 | brlcad | repairs yesterday went till 3am, didn't get going until late |
| 03:16.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | email tubes clogged, valve shut off |
| 03:16.36 | ``Erik | eck (repairs?) |
| 03:23.05 | brlcad | floor joists on the main floor -- a series of repairs made during sale were done very poorly |
| 03:23.20 | brlcad | now it's outstanding, the guy that came to work on them was phenomenal |
| 03:23.25 | ``Erik | ah, cool |
| 03:23.38 | ``Erik | needs to try calling the guy to fix his front woodwork again :/ |
| 03:24.35 | ``Erik | (try calling him again, fix it again) |
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| 03:52.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | Erik: hope he is better than the Iraqi carpenters we found |
| 03:52.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they used wood screws, and pounded them in with a hammer |
| 03:54.27 | brlcad | hah |
| 03:55.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if that was the only problem, i could forgive them, but they were slow, flakey, expensive, and the language barrier did not help |
| 03:56.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | finished work was sub-par at best |
| 03:56.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | in their defense, wood is not the material of choice over there, so they as a whole had little experience, and less to work with |
| 03:57.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | here, every 9-year old boy knows how to hammer nails, and use a tape measure, at least a little bit |
| 03:57.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | "helping" dad with some honey-dos and a tree fort |
| 03:58.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | perhaps excepting urban apartment dwellers |
| 04:29.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oops.... make distclean foo-barred my brlcad sources. probably something i did |
| 05:11.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, ran into error running make test |
| 05:11.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | this may be why i stoppped using internal tcl |
| 05:13.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | question: |
| 05:14.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if i use internal tcl/tk, where can i put brlcad specific init.tcl? |
| 05:15.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | or, more specifically, how do i point brlcad components to a different init.tcl file |
| 05:25.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | fixed it |
| 05:25.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | gotta make install *before* make test |
| 05:45.42 | brlcad | ah, yes .. make test has lots of limitations |
| 05:46.17 | brlcad | has to be installed, maybe requires an in-place build iirc too |
| 05:57.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | back to same -menu error after recommended options |
| 05:57.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | something in tcl |
| 05:58.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am looking at my environment to see how it is (likely) clobbering brlcad's local tcl install |
| 05:58.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | by tcl i mean tcl/tk |
| 05:58.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | , itk, and friends |
| 06:01.39 | brlcad | where are you installing to? the default path? |
| 06:02.00 | brlcad | ah, /usr/local |
| 06:04.14 | brlcad | was going to say that it's very unlikely that it'd be an environment issue, unless you're mixing into a dir with existing tcl data |
| 06:04.45 | brlcad | still seems unlikely to me (more likely just a simple, maybe recent, bug in archer) |
| 06:05.34 | brlcad | easy enough test if you really want to test it would be to install into /usr/brlcad |
| 06:05.43 | brlcad | (i.e., the configure default) |
| 06:08.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | how do i tell it to go to /usr/local/brlcad? have tried in past, with no success (trying to keep /usr uncluttered, no luck) |
| 06:09.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | wait- that may have been the ebuild that i made (gentoo install file) that could not do it |
| 06:10.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | trying now... |
| 06:11.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | by chance, does brlcad look at an environment variable named TCL_LIBRARY |
| 06:11.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have that, set by something else, to 8.4 |
| 06:13.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, TCLHOME, TCLLIBPATH, ITCL_LIBRARY, ITK_LIBRARY |
| 06:15.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | brlcad: are you on the east coast? |
| 06:20.55 | brlcad | --prefix=/usr/local/brlcad |
| 06:21.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | more directly, do you ever sleep? you are tremendously helpful, about 22 hrs/day |
| 06:21.22 | brlcad | it will obey the various tcl/tk _LIBRARY variables, but you shouldn't need to set them |
| 06:21.50 | brlcad | thanks, trying to get it up to 25 hours a day |
| 06:21.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | iow, if they are set wrong, i should clear them, no? |
| 06:22.01 | brlcad | oh absolutely |
| 06:22.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | look into something called polyphasic sleep |
| 06:22.12 | brlcad | they will override on pretty much every version of tcl |
| 06:23.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | in a nutshell, trains your body to achieve REM in less time |
| 06:23.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sleep 20 minutes, wake for 3 hrs 40 minutes |
| 06:23.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | total of 3 hrs sleep per night |
| 06:23.24 | brlcad | i've actually done that for short stints |
| 06:23.29 | brlcad | weekends screw it up though |
| 06:23.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they call it the uber-hacker schedule |
| 06:23.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yep |
| 06:23.59 | brlcad | as well as long coding stints |
| 06:24.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, interactions with humans in "meatspace" can make it less practical |
| 06:24.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | as in, you are awake all the time, but can only talk to people, go to store, etc, certain times of the day |
| 06:24.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am considering it, how did it work for you? |
| 06:25.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | besides above mentioned |
| 06:25.07 | brlcad | yeah, that already sucks to varying degrees with how I sleep/work now |
| 06:25.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 06:25.16 | brlcad | there are upsides too though |
| 06:25.39 | brlcad | I moved into the city party because of that same issue actually, more things open much much later |
| 06:25.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | did sig-other think you were insane? |
| 06:25.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | true |
| 06:26.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i live in mid-smallish town (~40k ppl) |
| 06:26.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | half of me wants to live in a loft above telco, |
| 06:26.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | other half wants to be hermit in woods |
| 06:27.09 | brlcad | I find it easier to just sleep 3-5 hours a day, a lot easier to sustain than powernapping all the time |
| 06:27.37 | brlcad | particularly with a work schedule where folks are calling and stopping by when you'd be needing to nap |
| 06:28.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | loft would be downtown portland, OR, over fictitious telco( there are none dt witha loft ovre them, and I could get u-DSL at 40 megs |
| 06:28.54 | brlcad | downtown portland sounds hella fun |
| 06:29.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | have you been? |
| 06:29.06 | brlcad | nope |
| 06:29.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nothing like it |
| 06:29.20 | brlcad | had a buddy that lived there for a couple years |
| 06:29.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | how did they make him leave? |
| 06:29.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tow cable in front, fire behind? |
| 06:30.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:30.25 | brlcad | job changed iirc, found a great job out east |
| 06:30.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no job is that good |
| 06:30.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | rather starve in stumptown, than succeed anywhere else |
| 06:31.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | stumptown, pdx, city of roses |
| 06:31.23 | brlcad | :) |
| 06:32.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | downside is crazy laws, and nearly communist ideas everywhere, creaping into legislation |
| 06:32.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they want to install box in cars, charge by mile |
| 06:33.05 | brlcad | they've talked about doing that out here too |
| 06:33.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | we actually have an (by comparison) active communist party, and green party |
| 06:33.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | small problem; |
| 06:33.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hackers |
| 06:34.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, it shoots self in foot by discouraging better fuel mileage the way gas tax does |
| 06:34.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and... with rising energy rates/demand, they want to actually *destroy* our hydro power |
| 06:35.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | literally demolish dams |
| 06:35.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they forget that will flood portland |
| 06:35.31 | brlcad | that's a longer topic for another day :) |
| 06:35.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but it will save 4000 fish |
| 06:35.53 | brlcad | is compelled to get a lil more code done before naptime |
| 06:35.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sorry, fresh fury still here |
| 06:36.21 | brlcad | can tell |
| 06:36.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still compiling, will keep posted of progress |
| 06:36.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 06:36.46 | brlcad | good luck on the compiling -- here as usual and will respond eventually if you have details |
| 06:36.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thanks |
| 06:37.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, you are welcome here anytime you would like to venture out west |
| 06:37.45 | brlcad | for testing, you shouldn't have any env vars set that would override runtime behavior including all the *_LIBRARY* vars |
| 06:37.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | k |
| 06:40.26 | brlcad | be sure to read the INSTALL file if you haven't yet (along with the README and doc/README*) |
| 06:40.44 | brlcad | waves g'luck |
| 06:41.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thnx |
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| 07:23.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | profit! |
| 07:25.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | awww... segfault |
| 07:25.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but archer did work long enough to do that |
| 07:25.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
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| 08:28.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thanks for help brlcad and Erik |
| 08:29.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (entering biphasic sleep mode, suspending operations) |
| 09:13.01 | ruskie | decides to not bother with separating utah... to much pain... |
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| 12:04.34 | d-lo | Morning all! *Reads Backlog* |
| 12:04.57 | d-lo | heard the superbowl commercials were sub-par this year :/ |
| 12:05.57 | d-lo | Heh, I'll walk to work before I have to pay a black box. Sounds like a move by the Cabbie Party. |
| 12:07.19 | d-lo | As a former Nuclear Engineer, I can understand the frustration with fish clogging up pumps, pipes and strainers. The answer, however, is not to remove the power plant... its to sharpen the blades on the pump impeller :) |
| 12:08.29 | d-lo | Anyone: Any Fedora Core users here? Can they speak to the Pros and Cons of the OS? |
| 12:13.23 | appletizer | fedora? |
| 12:13.28 | appletizer | it's good :) |
| 12:13.34 | appletizer | centos is better though |
| 12:13.39 | appletizer | fedora is considered legacy |
| 12:14.09 | archivist | selinux bites a few |
| 12:14.21 | d-lo | Well I was checking out the FC10 VMware appliance last night.... gotta admit, the KDE looks *a lot* like Vista... dunno how I feel about that :/ |
| 12:14.45 | d-lo | appletizer: Why, in your opinion, is centos > fedora? |
| 12:14.56 | appletizer | depends on your goals |
| 12:15.11 | appletizer | for server type goals, centos provides better stability |
| 12:15.22 | d-lo | Workstation stuff. |
| 12:15.41 | appletizer | for workstation, then people tend to use fedora |
| 12:16.04 | appletizer | fedora has more bleeding edge packages |
| 12:16.13 | archivist | uses ubuntu due to EMC2 |
| 12:16.27 | d-lo | Trying to make a smart decision as to which OS i am going to use... don't feel like reinstalling/reconfiguring more than once. |
| 12:17.13 | appletizer | hehe honestly it doesn't really matter |
| 12:17.54 | d-lo | It kinda does, since each flavor has its own quirks, features and pitfalls. |
| 12:18.05 | appletizer | yeah that's what fuel unnecessary distro wars |
| 12:18.52 | appletizer | but there's always a shift in distro popularity anyway |
| 12:18.58 | appletizer | it used to be redhat once upon a time |
| 12:19.01 | appletizer | now it's ubuntu |
| 12:19.23 | d-lo | heh, not after popular :) If anything, I am anti-trendy. |
| 12:19.33 | d-lo | Its the 'Underdog complex' I suppose :) |
| 12:19.52 | appletizer | hehe underdog could be useful |
| 12:20.02 | appletizer | in that you're less exposed to malicious codings |
| 12:20.12 | appletizer | but the downside of that is you get less userbase exposure |
| 12:20.30 | d-lo | True enough. |
| 12:21.12 | appletizer | as long as you're using one of the more popular distros, you're fine :) anywhere between centos, fedora, rhel and ubuntu |
| 12:21.21 | archivist | I use ubuntu only because the EMC2 devs use that for the RTAT realtime, makes it easy for me to do cnc |
| 12:21.25 | appletizer | oh and freebsd/openbsd of course :) |
| 12:21.29 | archivist | RTAI |
| 12:22.52 | _sushi_ | !calc 2+3 |
| 12:23.06 | appletizer | if you prefer underdogs, nimblex or wolvix could be useful |
| 12:23.07 | appletizer | :P |
| 12:23.13 | appletizer | they're like among the least populars |
| 12:23.14 | appletizer | haha |
| 12:24.00 | d-lo | heh, and that gets back to my criteria of 'make a smart choice' :P |
| 12:25.10 | d-lo | spins some Prodigy. Good stuff. |
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| 12:37.12 | Defcon- | d-lo, do you remember the video of One Love |
| 12:37.26 | Defcon- | i'm still wondering how long it took to render it back then :) |
| 12:37.33 | Defcon- | *than |
| 12:39.27 | d-lo | artist? |
| 12:40.59 | Defcon- | prodigy |
| 12:41.00 | Defcon- | :p |
| 12:41.15 | d-lo | don't think I ever saw the video :/ |
| 12:41.28 | Defcon- | :) |
| 12:41.31 | Defcon- | it's on youtube |
| 12:42.11 | d-lo | didn't have cable/mtv/vh1/highspeed internet till he was out of highschool :/ |
| 12:42.27 | d-lo | I missed a bunch of videos. |
| 12:43.00 | Defcon- | :) |
| 12:46.45 | d-lo | Defcon-: Heh, I feel bad for not recognizing the song by title. Thats one of my al time fav movies... as horrible as it was. lol |
| 12:52.11 | Defcon- | haha, it's ok :) |
| 12:53.08 | Defcon- | everybody is allowed to forgot the |
| 12:53.16 | Defcon- | everybody is allowed to forgot the Prodigy once.. |
| 13:08.47 | brlquestions | hello again, another question ... |
| 13:09.08 | d-lo | turns off the lights and hides. |
| 13:09.11 | d-lo | ;) |
| 13:09.26 | brlquestions | is there some way to sketch bezier passing closer to control points in BRL CAD ? |
| 13:11.32 | brlquestions | I converted the whole sketch on a single closed bezier that renders well on qcad after writing it by means of libdime |
| 13:12.01 | brlquestions | the problem is that bezier primitive in BRLCAD's sketch API rounds my corners too much ... |
| 13:12.21 | brlquestions | (sorry single closed NURBS or whatever ...) |
| 13:25.47 | d-lo | brlquestions: Gonna have to defer that to someone more knowledgeable than me :/ sorry! |
| 13:25.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33651 10/rt^3/trunk/ (13 files in 5 dirs): Updated NetMsg and subclasses to use DataStream. Updated netMsgSerialTest. |
| 13:27.22 | brlquestions | OK, thanks ... suppose there's some representation problem dealing with libdime specs, qcad NURBS splines and bezier primitive in BRLCAD |
| 13:40.15 | brlcad | brlquestions: you can always add more control points, but I suspect the issue eis a translation problem |
| 13:42.51 | brlcad | either a bezier getting imported as a sketch incorrectly via dxf-g (remember, that is "brand new" code to bring in the 2D entities) or an entity getting imported with params for the wrong type of curve (like making a bspline as a bezier curve and vice versa) |
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| 13:45.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33652 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (14 files in 4 dirs): Modifications to make jBrlcad compatible with other projects |
| 13:48.44 | brlcad | our sketch primitive really only supports bezier curves (though the logic for also supporting nurbs curves is pretty much done too) |
| 13:50.50 | brlcad | so I guess the question is what type of curve did you originally make with libdime, what type of curve did you end up with in the sketch, and how'd you go from dime to sketch |
| 14:03.01 | ``Erik | *readreadread* if I had to use linux, I'd probably go with ubuntu on the desktop and debian on the server |
| 14:04.09 | d-lo | ``Erik: whyso? |
| 14:06.42 | ``Erik | ubuntu has decent package management and a fairly user interface focus, debian historically has been extremely solid compared to other leenewxes |
| 14:07.03 | ``Erik | and both use apt/dpkg instead of the rpm trainwreck :D |
| 14:07.42 | ``Erik | hugs fbsd (and obsd on occasion) |
| 14:08.02 | ``Erik | I need to scrap together another machine to give solaris10 a whirl |
| 14:08.07 | d-lo | Well, for me, 'RPM' has a place in my heart.... for neigh to 9 years, it stood for Reactor Plant Manual... the bane of my existance >8-( |
| 14:08.41 | ``Erik | heh, 'redhat package manager'.. 'really putrid muck', whatever :D |
| 14:09.22 | ``Erik | it's far easier to make an rpm than a dpkg, it's far easier to use a dpkg than an rpm :D |
| 14:09.40 | d-lo | interesting.... |
| 14:09.47 | ``Erik | im(ns)ho |
| 14:10.18 | d-lo | i figured I would get a few nsho here, so its a good place to ask ;) |
| 14:10.29 | d-lo | brlcad: How are those repairs going? |
| 14:13.03 | brlquestions | thank you very much brlcad ... I have to learn a lot of three dee modeling !!! thanks again for your help ! |
| 14:23.23 | ``Erik | heh, for some reason, my brain parsed /jbrlcad/trunk as "brlcad junk" O.o |
| 14:23.40 | d-lo | jyou're just not jused to speaking jjava speak ;) |
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| 14:32.00 | ``Erik | heh, 'jjava', even brief periods of java development are so traumatic, you develop uncontrollable stuttering? ;) |
| 14:32.48 | d-lo | jI don't jknow what joo are jtalking about.... |
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| 15:08.53 | brlcad | wanders about but won't be going to lunch |
| 15:08.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33653 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/adrt.h: macro to turn network opcodes into human readable names |
| 15:09.14 | ``Erik | how very odd, "svn commit file.h" failed, but "svn commit ./file.h" succeeded |
| 15:09.25 | brlcad | serverage funness |
| 15:09.33 | brlcad | probably would have worked just a second time |
| 15:09.50 | ``Erik | failed many times in a row, tried removing and restoring the file, reapplying the changes, same failure |
| 15:10.03 | ``Erik | perhaps smething about symlinks and nfs mounts confuzzled svn |
| 15:10.03 | brlcad | what was the error? |
| 15:10.53 | ``Erik | beh, lost the backlog, was something about not being able to find .svn/text-base/adrt.h.adrt.h.svn-base |
| 15:10.58 | ``Erik | (which existed) |
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| 15:11.59 | brlcad | huh, that is odd |
| 15:12.08 | brlcad | likes the nfs theory |
| 15:16.53 | ``Erik | suddenly remembers why he had gtk installed on that machine. *sigh* *compile* |
| 15:21.53 | brlcad | fwiw, not going to lunch |
| 15:31.56 | ``Erik | so I've heard :D |
| 15:31.59 | ``Erik | big breakfast? |
| 15:32.18 | brlcad | no, just busy |
| 15:32.46 | ``Erik | aren't we all? :D which'll happen first, release or migration? |
| 15:33.01 | brlcad | no, definitely not all |
| 15:34.41 | ``Erik | ah, gtk is done compiling, autoreconf can now occur |
| 15:41.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33654 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libutil/: empty dir |
| 15:49.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33655 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/ (font.tcl openw.tcl): This fixes a bug that was breaking the font preferences panel (i.e. it's init routine was not getting called if a .mgedrc file was present). |
| 15:51.36 | mafm | hi |
| 15:51.44 | d-lo | hai mafm ! |
| 17:16.02 | brlquestions | Hello again ... what do you think about the possibility of using : |
| 17:16.06 | brlquestions | void |
| 17:16.06 | brlquestions | nurb_c_to_bezier(struct bu_list *clist, struct edge_g_cnurb *crv) |
| 17:16.29 | brlquestions | in nurb_bezier.c to change representation before sketch extrusion ... |
| 17:17.00 | brlquestions | where can I find documentation about bu_list and edge_g_cnurb structures to use it in my own code ... |
| 17:21.02 | starseeker | brlquestions: best bet is probably the code itself |
| 17:21.16 | starseeker | not sure there are any useful programmer docs for those routines |
| 17:22.02 | brlquestions | OK thanks starseeker ... anyway you now where are those structs defined ? |
| 17:22.14 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33656 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Fix couple minor issues in mged test script. |
| 17:23.11 | starseeker | check bu.h and nmg.h in brlcad/include directory |
| 17:23.36 | brlquestions | ok thanks again ! |
| 17:24.11 | brlquestions | that's it include directory :) |
| 18:23.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33657 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add first tests of view commands |
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| 18:33.02 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33658 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/slave.c: fix up performance info (but leave disabled for now) |
| 18:38.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33659 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add ae, center and eye_pt tests |
| 18:38.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33660 10/rt^3/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): More cleanup on DataStream, NetMsg & Subs, and GeometryService |
| 18:50.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33661 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/gsph0_Test.java: Adding groundwork for a simple cross language test. |
| 19:31.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33662 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/cut.c: use vmath.h |
| 19:32.04 | brlcad | mmm.. buzzing with activity, nice |
| 19:33.11 | brlcad | that conversion using the old brep routine might work, but the data containers are wrong dimension (I think) |
| 19:33.32 | brlcad | I believe that takes a nurbs surface and turns it into a set of bezier patches |
| 19:34.14 | brlcad | which means he's on the right track, and might be able to make that routine or one similar work, but it'd be better to fix sketch nurbs curve support |
| 19:34.50 | d-lo | buzzes. |
| 19:49.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33663 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/normal.c: use vmath |
| 19:49.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33664 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/phong.c: irrelevant structural changes |
| 19:51.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33665 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librtserver/rtserver.c: Modified to use the classes in jbrlcad |
| 19:52.30 | brlcad | you too? my phone's been buzzing all day |
| 19:52.40 | brlcad | buzzes when a commit is made |
| 19:53.11 | brlcad | oh wow.. librtserver is no longer stand-alone |
| 19:53.11 | brlcad | hrm |
| 19:53.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33666 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add a few more view commands |
| 19:54.18 | starseeker | erm, wait a minute - does that mean brlcad now depends on jbrlcad to build?? |
| 19:58.25 | ``Erik | only librtserver |
| 19:58.38 | ``Erik | which is a JNI stub monstrosity |
| 19:59.24 | starseeker | right, but my point is would a garden variety build hault on librtserver now? |
| 20:00.12 | ``Erik | uhm, I'd have to look at the change, but I BELIEVE that the jni asks for classes via strings, and he updated the classnames... so it should build just fine, you just have to define the symbols to be able to require it into a jvm |
| 20:01.57 | ``Erik | yeah, he just changed the values of some string constants to say "org/brlcad/numerics" instead of "mil/army/muvs/sim/math" |
| 20:01.59 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, no -- but you would have to have jbrlcad to *use* librtserver |
| 20:02.15 | starseeker | ok |
| 20:02.17 | ``Erik | (previously, you needed MUVE-3 to use librtserver) |
| 20:03.23 | brlcad | it's a todo item to update the src/java portions to be all org/brlcad if they're not already |
| 20:03.39 | brlcad | dont' recall if john did that already |
| 20:04.29 | brlcad | long-term, it'll make sense to either merge in jbrlcad (if it's used a lot more, or at least the pieces required by librtserver), or move src/java over into jbrlcad |
| 20:04.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33667 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/component.c: minor formatting and elimination of superfluous temporary variable |
| 20:05.12 | brlcad | shakes fist at not having a graphical console on cad |
| 20:05.15 | ``Erik | votes move to jbrlcad, so'z we can have a clbrlcad, pybrlcad, etc :D |
| 20:05.28 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:05.50 | brlcad | have I ever mentioned how much I hate language prefixes on project names? :) |
| 20:05.54 | starseeker | clbrlcad - for... mind bending designs :-) |
| 20:06.05 | ``Erik | yeah, but they do it |
| 20:06.23 | brlcad | geeks are horrible at internalizing a name, using implementation to name |
| 20:06.30 | d-lo | its l33t and you know you like it. |
| 20:07.03 | ``Erik | $ ls ~/src/macports/dports/python/py* | wc -l |
| 20:07.03 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.08 | brlcad | it's a long winded bikeshed discussion on usability, branding, marketing, and readability :) |
| 20:08.28 | ``Erik | names suck :D "wtf is a 'maven'? oh, you mean plwwwfm, I see" hehehe |
| 20:08.29 | brlcad | yeah, python folks are some of the worst at it, php and java too |
| 20:08.52 | ``Erik | 'boost'? is that an energy drink? :D |
| 20:09.18 | brlcad | maven's at least a 'word' and can be pronounced fairly unambiguously |
| 20:09.30 | ``Erik | </smartass> time to ponder code |
| 20:10.02 | brlcad | it only stops mattering if your project gets so popular that the prefix is no longer a prefix and it's a popularly recognized trademark on it's own |
| 20:10.07 | brlcad | like "jboss" |
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| 20:11.03 | brlcad | stops ranting and returns to hammering on the server |
| 20:11.57 | d-lo | It will probably go quicker if you use jHammer, iHammer or mcHammer. |
| 20:12.07 | d-lo | :D |
| 20:12.13 | starseeker | mcHammer is overrated |
| 20:12.49 | d-lo | Especially since 'You Can't Touch' it |
| 20:12.55 | starseeker | prefers the flexibility o cl-Hammer, the only hammer that can hammer itself |
| 20:15.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33668 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add view version of sca to testing |
| 20:19.38 | ``Erik | heh |
| 20:20.06 | ``Erik | erHammer and mlHammer can be fun |
| 20:20.39 | ``Erik | (but clHammer and scmHammer are the only ones that can deal with screws elegantly) |
| 20:21.27 | brlcad | starseeker: press isn't so much tied to the graphics as the graphics is tied to press |
| 20:22.24 | starseeker | brlcad: sorry, wasn't clear - trying to select an arb face to rotate strictly from the command line doesn't seem to be workable even with press |
| 20:22.27 | brlcad | press is a very old command, so you could press buttons on the overlay menu when you didn't have an input device |
| 20:22.54 | brlcad | if it's doable from the gui, it should be doable on the command line |
| 20:23.09 | brlcad | it's just rather unexpected as to how it works |
| 20:23.40 | starseeker | after all the pressing it pops up a GUI asking for a vertex to rotate around, and press doesn't seem to hit the OK in the dialog |
| 20:23.44 | brlcad | like if you wanted to select a face, it's something like: press "Edit Face 1234" |
| 20:24.08 | brlcad | sounds like the wrong press string |
| 20:24.53 | brlcad | that pop-up dialog would be something like CMD_MORE with typein where it prompts if there is an incomplete action |
| 20:25.05 | starseeker | mutters under his breath about archane user interface interaction techniques... |
| 20:25.29 | brlcad | it's a lot more intuitive if you turn on faceplate mode |
| 20:25.37 | starseeker | brlcad: ah |
| 20:25.46 | brlcad | the things you can press and the strings you can specify are usually directly spelled out there |
| 20:26.32 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.35 | starseeker | Is it worth all that just for eqn in the context of arb rotation? |
| 20:28.27 | starseeker | I suppose it's a more general issue for testing graphical mged functionality in the end... |
| 20:28.41 | brlcad | it it worth you understanding the details of how press works, probably :) |
| 20:28.51 | brlcad | for eqn, of course not |
| 20:29.01 | starseeker | growl... |
| 20:29.19 | starseeker | OK, I'll figure it out once I'm done grabbing low hanging fruit for testing |
| 20:29.46 | brlcad | that's a common (simple) command that is very useful in many contexts (particularly for users that want to script) |
| 20:29.56 | starseeker | wonders how to deal with testing the commands that flip up an editor... |
| 20:30.15 | brlcad | 'accept' and 'reject' for example are really just aliases for "press accept" and "press reject" |
| 20:30.53 | brlcad | notes the sore lack of "apply" that would be good to have so long as we have the modality |
| 20:31.19 | brlcad | starseeker: set EDITOR to something scriptable |
| 20:31.25 | starseeker | wants reset to work in the editing context as well as press reset, but supposes it conflicts with something... |
| 20:31.26 | brlcad | like 'cat' |
| 20:31.29 | starseeker | heh |
| 20:31.38 | brlcad | "reset" is also missing |
| 20:32.00 | starseeker | thought it was a libged bug at first when reset didn't work... |
| 20:32.46 | brlcad | there are other EDITOR tricks you can use -- just depends on the command being tested |
| 20:34.34 | starseeker | wonders where the pink pen on his desk came from... |
| 20:35.41 | starseeker | alright, time for fizzy energy drink of some kind... |
| 20:37.01 | brlcad | mm. fizzy blue bawls |
| 20:37.25 | brlcad | haven't had that much caffeine in a long while |
| 20:55.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33669 10/rt^3/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Minor adjustments, bugfixes and tweaks. |
| 20:56.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33670 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/ (. gsph0_Test.java java/ java/gsph0_Test.java): Small directory organization change. More work on the test for 'phase-0' GeometryServer. |
| 20:56.33 | d-lo | Whelp... cyas all tomarrow. |
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| 21:07.43 | brlcad | dya d-lo |
| 22:06.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33671 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/slave.c: fix component view |
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| 00:48.20 | mafm | night |
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| 04:32.14 | brlcad | sighs in relief as he settles down into his chair |
| 04:35.13 | yukonbob | hello cadheads |
| 06:58.02 | brlcad | waves and wanders |
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| 07:49.34 | brlcad | howdy Dr_Phreakenstein |
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| 09:06.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hello brlcad! |
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| 12:02.40 | d-lo | yawns. |
| 12:02.54 | d-lo | Bitter cold and snowy morning to all! |
| 12:03.22 | archivist | stop whining about the snow :) |
| 12:03.59 | d-lo | Don't mind the snow, its the nasty 30 mph wind that I don't like :) |
| 12:04.04 | alex_joni | nice warm and sunny here |
| 12:04.28 | d-lo | Really tested the CCA on the Jeep's Battery this morning, lol. |
| 12:04.41 | d-lo | alex_joni: Email me some 'warm and sunny' please! |
| 12:04.50 | archivist | press is over dramatising the snow here in the UK |
| 12:05.50 | d-lo | archivist: I take it that you too deal with, "ZOMG, 5cm of show... ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!" ? |
| 12:06.21 | archivist | hehe yea |
| 12:07.02 | d-lo | Last week, we got a 'dusting'... seriously < 1mm snow... and they shutdown all public and private schools for 2 hours.... |
| 12:07.06 | archivist | Ive offered to go fetch a customer who was going to come today |
| 12:07.12 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:07.25 | d-lo | now *THATS* customer service. |
| 12:07.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | business must be bad to need customers *that* much |
| 12:07.45 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ;) |
| 12:07.46 | archivist | he was the president of a car club, he is a wimp |
| 12:08.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | now if he was pres of 4wd club.. |
| 12:08.11 | d-lo | fancy shmancy cars? |
| 12:08.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no problem for him |
| 12:08.23 | d-lo | Dr_Phreakenstein: Exactly what I was thinking. |
| 12:08.28 | archivist | hehe tha would be funny, he does own a Freelander |
| 12:09.28 | d-lo | well, to be fair, most (if not all) mainstream SUV's aren't designed to handle any offroading any more :/ |
| 12:09.42 | d-lo | Landrover probably has a better rep than most, but still. |
| 12:10.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | true |
| 12:11.01 | archivist | takes some snow to stop a Series 3 Landrover I had some fun years ago |
| 12:11.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (Dr_Phreakenstein cannot remember seeing a dirty SUV recently) |
| 12:11.55 | archivist | bent a wing going flat out into a snow drift, we pulled it straight and carried on |
| 12:12.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I remember passing people in the snow, while driving my valiant with bald tires, dead suspension |
| 12:12.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | actual 4wd and awd suvs |
| 12:13.04 | d-lo | for instance, I come from a 'Jeep' family. My most recent Jeep is a '08 Patriot... a bit more 'smooth ride' than 'rough and tough', but still a good car.... I took it on the small dirt/snow hills in my housing development last week and had nearlyt all my neighbors staring in awe. My thought is, "Its a Jeep silly, what did you expect me to do with it?" |
| 12:13.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no kidding |
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| 12:13.30 | archivist | yup go out and enjoy |
| 12:13.52 | csanyipal | howdy |
| 12:13.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | although, my caravan has also proven off-road worthy |
| 12:13.57 | csanyipal | Howdy! |
| 12:14.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | howdy! |
| 12:14.14 | d-lo | On a different note, when ever I see a full size truck or nice SUV 'pimped out' with windows, rims and a stereo.... I get very angry. |
| 12:14.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | just gotta watch out for that pesky ABS controller |
| 12:14.33 | d-lo | Howdy csanyipal |
| 12:14.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah... |
| 12:14.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | you cannot put chains on those |
| 12:14.48 | d-lo | Caravan... as in Dodge Caravan? |
| 12:14.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yup |
| 12:15.02 | d-lo | What year? I love those vans :) |
| 12:15.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 2000 |
| 12:15.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 36.3 flex |
| 12:15.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 3.3 |
| 12:15.30 | d-lo | Nice. We have an '03 and I love how easy the maintenance is on the 3.3 :) |
| 12:15.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they are the best |
| 12:15.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i will always buy them, too easy to fix |
| 12:16.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | as long as you do not have to access rear cyl bank, as for plugs |
| 12:16.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i put some 100k mile bosch plugs on there, so no problem for a while |
| 12:17.16 | d-lo | heh, well, I draw the line maintenance like that. Too time intensive for me. Easier to drop it off and wait a day while someone else deals with that. |
| 12:17.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | installed class III hitch, HD shocks, prodigy electronic brake controller |
| 12:17.49 | d-lo | Alternator, belts, plugs, breaks.. (basically the easy stuff) is what I tend to do myself. |
| 12:17.53 | d-lo | What do you pull with it? |
| 12:18.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | switch to valvoline P/N vv935 oil |
| 12:18.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | going to WA to get some stuff from Grizzly |
| 12:18.39 | d-lo | Grizzly = ? |
| 12:18.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | Milling machine and sheet metal shear |
| 12:18.55 | d-lo | ah, Heavy Metal :) |
| 12:19.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://www.grizzly.com/products/9-x-32-Gear-Head-Mill-Drill-with-Stand/G0484 |
| 12:19.44 | archivist | expects EMC2 on it in a while |
| 12:20.04 | d-lo | Buy or lease? |
| 12:20.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://www.grizzly.com/products/52-16-Gauge-Foot-Shear/T20797 |
| 12:20.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | buy |
| 12:20.30 | d-lo | nice, whats the Price Tag on a bachine like that? |
| 12:20.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | archivist :) |
| 12:20.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | shear, 1200 |
| 12:21.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | mill 2000 |
| 12:21.09 | d-lo | nice 1/2 ton. No problem! lol |
| 12:21.32 | d-lo | Use for Business or hobby? |
| 12:21.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also some small misc stuff, arbor press, tooling, etc |
| 12:21.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 110 systems, llc |
| 12:22.13 | d-lo | as in 110V electricity? |
| 12:22.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | actually, my cousing has designed a cnc controller and software, so i will be suing that |
| 12:22.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | actually, name was picked from when we did email |
| 12:22.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | port 110 |
| 12:22.51 | d-lo | nice :) |
| 12:22.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also 110 punchdown, as in low-volt wiring |
| 12:23.10 | d-lo | 'cause I was going to point out that the Mill Grill is 220V ;) |
| 12:23.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 12:23.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, but that is in lieu of 440 3 ph |
| 12:24.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | the power company will accept 3 easy payments of $5000 to hook it up |
| 12:24.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 220 is easier to find |
| 12:24.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | as in make my wife wait to use the dryer |
| 12:24.54 | d-lo | is not a big fan of 440/450/480V.... took 500Vdc though the heart when I was in the Navy.... I still get a bit shy when doing ANY electrical work, lol. |
| 12:25.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | fair enough |
| 12:25.09 | d-lo | 3 easy payments eh? LOL. |
| 12:25.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oh, and that only brings power to the bottom of the pole |
| 12:25.53 | d-lo | Start asking around to see if anyone carries a 220V '6-strip' and see what kind of looks you get :) |
| 12:25.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i still have to dig trench, do panel, meter, etc in premise |
| 12:26.07 | d-lo | save cost... don't install a meter :) |
| 12:26.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i like your style |
| 12:26.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | just get some mueller alligator clips on the pole |
| 12:27.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (remember to use fiberglass ladder for that job) |
| 12:27.40 | d-lo | Well, I *WAS* going to suggest building a ghetto Current Transformer by looping some insulated cable around the power lines :) You can claim that they weren't using the Magnetic field anyways and that you are 'recycling' of sorts :) |
| 12:27.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hmmm.... |
| 12:28.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have heard of this |
| 12:28.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, it would give me a more reasonable voltage, albeit a little light on the current |
| 12:29.11 | d-lo | I have done it with 110V in the house... but it was more of a "Hrm, can I build a Current Sensor with a wire and a Voltmeter" |
| 12:29.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | the method that i like is to get in as the prototype machine shop in a startup company... free rent and electricity |
| 12:29.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i know 2 shops that do that |
| 12:30.15 | d-lo | Excellent angle.... never thought about that. |
| 12:30.22 | d-lo | Nothing beats free. |
| 12:30.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 12:30.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | found APC UPSs at the local metal scrapper... |
| 12:31.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | $12.50 apiece |
| 12:31.03 | d-lo | So, what kind of products/services does your company provide? |
| 12:31.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 1500 VA |
| 12:31.09 | d-lo | ..still functional? |
| 12:31.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what do you need? |
| 12:31.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I have a forklift for sale |
| 12:31.25 | d-lo | just curious. |
| 12:31.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes |
| 12:31.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | got it at HP machine shop auction |
| 12:31.43 | d-lo | lol, now the wife would really hate me if I brought home a forklift. lol |
| 12:31.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | why do you think I am selling mine |
| 12:32.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 12:32.04 | d-lo | She grimaces everytime I tell her I am swinging by Home Depot.... |
| 12:32.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | lol |
| 12:32.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 12:32.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | we have an industrial wholesaler here... |
| 12:32.49 | d-lo | I could probably justify it by saying a forklist will facilitate moving the furnature around easier.... (and make it MUCH more fun) |
| 12:32.53 | d-lo | hrm...... |
| 12:33.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I did not know it would take so long, but my wife and kids waited an hour while I bought nuts and bolts one day... in bulk it took them 35 minutes to ring me up |
| 12:33.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | she may go for a pallet jack |
| 12:33.50 | d-lo | bah, I am saving for a Deck... can't swing a forklift right now :( |
| 12:34.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | then, when that proves insufficient, you can justify the upgrade |
| 12:34.23 | d-lo | Personally, I always thought one of those selfpropelled cherry pickers would be a blast. |
| 12:34.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oh, but i can sell it so cheap! |
| 12:34.27 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:34.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they are |
| 12:34.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | careful not to tip |
| 12:34.50 | d-lo | shipping would be a bitch though :) You're West Coast USA? |
| 12:34.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oregon, yes |
| 12:35.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | it is on my dad's truck right now, I could swing by your location |
| 12:35.21 | d-lo | wonders if there is a Guiness Record for driving cross-country in a forklift.... |
| 12:35.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 12:35.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | um, with it's electric battery, not sure about that one |
| 12:36.12 | d-lo | Solar panels and craftsman gennies baby... yeah! |
| 12:36.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hey, but you could make a wicked UPS with a 24 v, 1120 AH battery |
| 12:37.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that sounds efficient as can be |
| 12:37.34 | d-lo | UPS's are only good to hold the line voltage and current whilst the 'ballsy Diesel' back up gennie fires up on UV start :) |
| 12:38.02 | d-lo | I *almost* have my wife sold on a multi-fuel back up gennie for the house. |
| 12:38.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, but this could hold line voltage for your neighborhood |
| 12:38.05 | d-lo | ..almost. |
| 12:38.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hmmm |
| 12:38.29 | d-lo | I figure, 1 or 2 more sustaned power outtages will sway her. |
| 12:38.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tell her you will bury it underground to make it quieter |
| 12:38.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that can be arranged... |
| 12:38.52 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:38.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ;) |
| 12:39.15 | d-lo | Oh, we are in a new development, so the retarded 'low wage' workers knock out power quite regularly. |
| 12:39.29 | d-lo | I laugh heartly every time it happens. |
| 12:39.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 12:40.27 | d-lo | its kind of funny to look outside and see a 15 ton CAT front loader backed over a transformer enclosure with 4 workers standing 50 ft away, just staring. |
| 12:40.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ...oops... |
| 12:41.26 | d-lo | Once i was assured that no one got hurt, I just laughed and laughed. |
| 12:41.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | wonders if that is as funny as seeing D-10 cat on it's side next to a HETT, and an 88m doing pushups in the ditch |
| 12:42.11 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:42.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i sure laughed (once I was out of earshot of her leadership, yes, her) |
| 12:43.14 | d-lo | now thats funny. |
| 12:43.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i even returned to take a picture, but i could not get there until after PT, and it was up by then |
| 12:44.06 | d-lo | I work with a guy who was ex-Army, I forget his MOS, but his primary role was HETT and HEMMIT(spelling?) mechanic.... oh man, the stories he has... |
| 12:44.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 2 88 wreckers will lift anything in a hurry |
| 12:44.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | HEMMT |
| 12:44.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i bet |
| 12:44.36 | d-lo | righto, thanks. |
| 12:44.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | drove one once |
| 12:45.03 | d-lo | I got used to 10 years of Navy acronyms and then switched up and joined the Army as a civ.... whole new world lol. |
| 12:45.34 | d-lo | drove? I was impressed enough with riding in one. |
| 12:45.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I was new to army, and they needed people to drive vehicles onto a train car. so they gave me a license for everything in the motorpool, minus forklift |
| 12:46.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ironically, a forklift was all that i had ever been trained on... |
| 12:46.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | so, there was this sea of armored vehicles... |
| 12:47.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I soon tired of APCs and HMMWVs, so i tried other stuff |
| 12:47.15 | d-lo | my current favorite military vehicle: |
| 12:47.21 | d-lo | http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/land_mrap_img_maxxpro_cat-1_final_lg.jpg |
| 12:47.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | Bradley... 88, HEMMT, LMTV, LMTV with tractor-trailer, and some other stuff |
| 12:47.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 12:48.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | those are nice to ride in, even nicer to drive |
| 12:48.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I am a big International fan |
| 12:48.58 | d-lo | Of all the Army vehicles, the IMG MAXXPRO is the only one I have a lot of experience with... and me likes :) If I could get one for home, I would. |
| 12:49.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | actually, my Yale forklift is sitting on a 1970 International Loadstar 1800 |
| 12:49.24 | d-lo | "Oh, so you want to tailgate me? Let me just perform a brake check." |
| 12:49.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | the good ole 113 is kinda fun, if you have one in good shape |
| 12:49.56 | d-lo | bah, I need to work now :/ |
| 12:50.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, maxpro stops alright |
| 12:50.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | one more thing |
| 12:50.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | look into installing sach's "nivomat" suspension in your van |
| 12:51.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | you can get it online for about 250 per shock (rear only) |
| 12:51.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | wish i new about it before getting those monroe shocks i got... not bad, but self-levelling is the best |
| 12:51.50 | d-lo | nivomat eh? |
| 12:51.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | available with factory tow package, too |
| 12:51.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yup |
| 12:51.56 | d-lo | I'll look it up. |
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| 12:52.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | send me phreak@110mail.com and i will send you p/n and links |
| 12:53.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i gotta sleep. |
| 12:53.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | gotta wake up in 2 hrs for class, then install wiring for trailer and get up at 4 tomorrow for 6 hr drive to bellingham WA |
| 12:54.41 | d-lo | k, you sleep. I'll ask the wife about the forklift :) |
| 12:54.43 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:55.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
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| 15:27.40 | Jose` | WELL GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY! |
| 15:27.53 | Jose` | I HAVE COME TO SPREAD CHEERS! |
| 15:28.00 | Jose` | AND PRESENTS! |
| 15:28.05 | Jose` | AND CANDIES! |
| 15:28.26 | Jose` | BUTT FIRST YOU MUST PAY THE FIDDLER!! |
| 15:28.34 | Jose` | THEN WE CAN ALL HAVE BUTT SECKS |
| 15:28.47 | Jose` | YAY! |
| 15:28.52 | Jose` | <3 |
| 15:29.50 | Jose` | OOPS WRONG CHANNEL SORRY ABOUT THAT :( |
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| 15:35.49 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:36.33 | ``Erik | should get himself one of these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDoy9S82ETA |
| 15:36.43 | d-lo | If it was the wrong channel, why hasn't he left yet? |
| 15:37.19 | d-lo | ``Erik: Wont that *ensure* your ability to get to work on snow days? |
| 15:37.27 | ``Erik | yes |
| 15:37.49 | ``Erik | and any damn other place I wanted to go |
| 15:37.50 | ``Erik | :D |
| 15:37.57 | d-lo | lol |
| 15:38.09 | ``Erik | "what? curb? I didn't feel a curb, occifer" |
| 15:39.07 | d-lo | I wonder what people would be thinking when they are coming out of Best Buy and see that buggy parked on top of their car.... with you walking away from it while enabling the car alarm... Chirp Chirp! |
| 15:39.32 | ``Erik | heh, that'd be awesome getting one of those up on 4 cars, one wheel on each roof |
| 15:39.37 | ``Erik | especially if they were all suv's :D |
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| 15:40.11 | d-lo | lol |
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| 15:41.48 | brlcad | howdy njan |
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| 15:53.05 | brlcad | appreciated but you guys are late ;) |
| 15:53.56 | Gary | ya, sorry |
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| 16:47.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33672 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: |
| 16:47.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Add in remainder of view manipulation commands on the Quick Reference Card, put |
| 16:47.08 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: cleanup rm command at end for temp files, clear results files when running |
| 16:47.10 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: again. The overlay command segfaults when the attempt is made to run it from |
| 16:47.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the script (works interactively) so commented out for now. |
| 16:53.34 | brlcad | cool |
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| 17:47.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r33673 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (Makefile.am pcMathGrammar.h pcMathLF.h): Adding Lazy Function header file for the Math VM |
| 17:57.53 | ``Erik | o'sake wa sugoii ii desu. |
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| 18:44.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r33674 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (pcMathGrammar.h pcMathLF.h): Definition of lazy functions and beginning to elaborate ExpressionGrammar |
| 18:53.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33675 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add remainder of displaying geometry commands from Quick Reference Card (with the exception of the geometry browser, which will require some thought). |
| 18:55.26 | starseeker | if nothing else, this sucker is great practice with vim |
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| 19:21.09 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1207 10/wiki/NewSessionREQOK: /* Byte Format */ |
| 19:31.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33676 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/setup.c: |
| 19:32.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: For now, the arb and bev commands are being called via cmd_ged_plain_wrapper. |
| 19:32.02 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: cmd_ged_edit_wrapper was being used previously and was trying to draw the newly |
| 19:32.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: created object, assuming that it was the last parameter. Will have to come up |
| 19:32.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: with something else later (i.e. no time at the moment). |
| 19:38.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33677 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add tests for kill commands on Quick Reference Card |
| 19:42.46 | d-lo | heh, looks like that media wiki CIA addon works :) |
| 20:20.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33678 10/rt^3/trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Continuing work for gsph0. gsph0 now communicating with gsph0_test during Hostname exchange and new session request. |
| 20:23.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33679 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/java/ (8 files): Continuing work for gsph0_Test. gsph0_Test now communicating with gsph0 during Hostname exchange and new session request. |
| 20:24.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33680 10/rt^3/trunk/src/iBME/testing.g: Simple example .g for file transfer testing. |
| 20:26.52 | ``Erik | brlcad, *ping* |
| 20:33.01 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33681 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/cut.c: darwin doesn't seem to like pointers to stack addresses in library functions being dereferenced, so malloc() (and free) the cutter geometry (fixes bus fault). |
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| 22:26.40 | brlcad | ``Erik: points to stack data should be just fine on darwin -- perhaps stack corruption |
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| 23:18.33 | ``Erik | hrm, it's two function calls that don't do jack iwth the stack, when I put it through the debugger, it looks like a reasonable address (and consistant) |
| 23:18.59 | ``Erik | and it's a bus fault, not a seg fault, which is odd in itself |
| 23:19.30 | brlcad | mm |
| 23:19.33 | brlcad | i still don't buy it |
| 23:19.46 | ``Erik | *shrug* that change made the problem go away, mebbe I'll explore it a bit later |
| 23:19.54 | brlcad | those are simple floats in an array on the stack |
| 23:20.23 | ``Erik | yeah, with a few levels of indirection in the mix... it sees into the first pointer ok, btu the second is inaccessable |
| 23:20.32 | starseeker | brlcad: should I incorporate the existing mged regression testing into what I'm doing or do you want to keep it as its own routine? |
| 23:20.39 | brlcad | there should be no problem passing around pointers to that -- maybe somewhere it gets cast to the wrong pointer type, like a bad double/triple pointer cast |
| 23:20.43 | ``Erik | I d'no, if I decide to think about it, mebbe I'll revert it and step through it |
| 23:20.55 | brlcad | that'd be something that might turn out fine on some environments |
| 23:21.07 | brlcad | depending on the alignment |
| 23:21.17 | ``Erik | given that it uses the same type everywhere along the path, and it's nicely aligned, I 'dno about that |
| 23:21.36 | brlcad | starseeker: what are you doing? |
| 23:21.38 | ``Erik | unless there're some funky compile option differences between the various libs |
| 23:22.13 | ``Erik | if I think about it between now and tomorrow, I'll try stepping it to see what's up *shrug* |
| 23:22.21 | brlcad | *shrug* |
| 23:22.28 | brlcad | looked like it was during prep, so not a big issue |
| 23:22.34 | ``Erik | yup |
| 23:22.35 | starseeker | brlcad: The mged/libged regression testing - should I just suck the stuff you did to test mged command functionality into one big mged test, or did you want to retain your routine as a separate entity? |
| 23:22.37 | brlcad | but just don't think it's a darwin thing |
| 23:22.49 | ``Erik | that's the only place it exhibited itself |
| 23:23.03 | brlcad | starseeker: AH, the "other" existing mged regression testing |
| 23:23.07 | starseeker | right |
| 23:23.31 | brlcad | nah, leave it alone unless you have a compelling reason to join them |
| 23:23.43 | starseeker | ok. |
| 23:23.54 | starseeker | was just wanting to steal the mged.sh name ;-) |
| 23:23.56 | brlcad | the tests don't need to be elegant, they're overhead code -- the less maintenance the better |
| 23:24.34 | brlcad | whatever suits your fancy then :) |
| 23:24.42 | starseeker | ok |
| 23:24.59 | starseeker | is thinking this will be ready to hook in in a few days... |
| 23:25.13 | starseeker | assuming my vim editing speed increases somewhat |
| 23:26.00 | brlcad | I'd be inclined to make all those sections you have into individual files, source them in and run a function or exec them directly |
| 23:26.35 | brlcad | just think how fast you'd be by now if you had a powerful scriptable environment at your fingertips with the same investment of effort ;) |
| 23:26.58 | starseeker | heh |
| 23:27.16 | brlcad | are the tests looking grim or green? |
| 23:27.37 | starseeker | not too bad so far - I haven't actually run a 7.12.6 benchmark in a bit |
| 23:27.43 | starseeker | me relinks and re-runs... |
| 23:28.07 | brlcad | gave bob time to tweak, releasing either tomorrow or saturday |
| 23:28.31 | brlcad | going to press really hard to keep to a release by the 7th |
| 23:28.32 | starseeker | he's squashed a few bugs already - the make spewing errors was a biggie |
| 23:31.00 | starseeker | nods |
| 23:36.51 | starseeker | auugh, why do I get a bus error now |
| 23:42.28 | yukonbob | brlcad: plate full of bugs? |
| 23:42.35 | yukonbob | s/bugs/tickets/ |
| 23:44.52 | brlcad | yukonbob: yeah, there are too many tickets, none getting closed out |
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| 23:56.32 | starseeker | hmm, well autoview, saveview, loadview, ps, and plot are now suddenly causing bus errors |
| 00:03.59 | starseeker | hrm - looks like a couple of the view input options are busted |
| 00:04.29 | starseeker | berates himself for using make instead of in to create test primitives for other commands - default changes is messing up comparisons |
| 00:04.41 | starseeker | guess I get to go back and fix it |
| 00:05.29 | starseeker | don't get why all of a sudden the saveview stuff is dead - it was working when I initially tested it and that was against head... |
| 00:20.52 | mafm | night |
| 00:35.12 | starseeker | kill is being somewhat less verbose as well |
| 00:37.56 | starseeker | erm. g_diff bombs |
| 00:45.30 | starseeker | brlcad: Is g_diff converting things to the same format as g2asc and doing the diff on that? |
| 03:09.36 | ``Erik | bombs on what? |
| 03:09.55 | ``Erik | I was just dicking around in g_diff.. it does not do a g2asc, but it has similar logic for human readable crap |
| 03:11.44 | ``Erik | other than that, the last 'real' modification was a little over a year ago by daytona |
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| 03:59.07 | starseeker | ``Erik: on the messy .g files generated by running mged_test.sh first on 7.12.6 and then on head |
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| 04:28.48 | ``Erik | g_diff's natural behavior is to compare straight up in mem rep |
| 04:29.18 | ``Erik | it acutally compares the binary csg tree for combs iirc |
| 04:29.48 | ``Erik | and then produces text acceptable as mged input in 'mged/machine' mode |
| 04:30.22 | ``Erik | my hack was to wait until after those were done, then do substring searching on the output strings... horribly hackish, boggled I haven't been yelled at for it :D |
| 04:32.29 | ``Erik | hates when people with no appreciable ability in math make absolute statements about the output of certain mathematical statements |
| 04:35.02 | ``Erik | 23k base health, more like 31k buffed, do the numbers, the 'big bad guy' can do up to 13k damage a whack on me, but this fucker claims I'd be one-shotted |
| 04:35.22 | ``Erik | tries to figure out how 13k > 31k, thinks he could stay standing 2 hits without a damn heal |
| 04:35.24 | ``Erik | *grouse* |
| 04:37.33 | ``Erik | </nerd> |
| 04:39.07 | ``Erik | wouldn't mind seeing g2asc's core logic moved into librt, and g_diff's output actually using those lib-ized functions |
| 04:39.40 | ``Erik | It hink g2asc and asc2g need their per-primitive logic worked into the primitive files |
| 04:39.57 | ``Erik | the v5 i/o is essentially complicated swizzling |
| 04:40.08 | ``Erik | why not have the ascii rep in there as well? |
| 04:52.41 | brlcad | starseeker: no, it doesn't convert to asc and compare, it compares object to object in order, attribute by attribute |
| 04:54.24 | brlcad | and yeah, what ``Erik said |
| 05:02.41 | ``Erik | brlcad: is migration low priority now? |
| 05:11.06 | brlcad | nope, just stalled by the other migration |
| 05:11.25 | brlcad | car filled with 6 guys or so in a pimped out car just drove by the house, stopped, backed up, were checking out the car |
| 05:11.32 | brlcad | geniunely just interested in the car, but odd they new it was mine |
| 05:11.41 | brlcad | yes, I will be installing external video cameras at some point soon :) |
| 05:13.34 | ``Erik | on the upside, a very noticable car is far less likely to be chop shop meat |
| 05:16.31 | ``Erik | <-- grumbles some at the suv that cut him of on post and he ended up passing about 12 miles later, should paint his car fucktard orange to not blend in or something :D *duck* |
| 05:17.56 | ``Erik | oh, btw, saw another hidden cop, dark green or dark blue dodge dakota pickup (salt and bright flashing lights made it hard to distinguish) |
| 05:19.02 | ``Erik | tagged someone on 22 just east of the jeep dealership |
| 05:42.48 | brlcad | would rather be a fucktard if that means smiling every goddamn time I look at my car, get in the car, drive the car .. |
| 05:43.14 | brlcad | blending is dulling |
| 05:43.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
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| 06:35.43 | starseeker | brlcad: is there a good way to direct MGED output to a file at the tcl level? |
| 06:37.01 | brlcad | erhm |
| 06:37.14 | starseeker | is studying output_hook... |
| 06:37.22 | brlcad | it depends, but yeah, you can generally redirect any output for any command just like the shell |
| 06:37.35 | brlcad | many commands have built-in support |
| 06:38.06 | starseeker | using ">" and ">>"? |
| 06:38.09 | brlcad | it's a little tricky with our commands for some of them since many of them "do their own thing" on the C side |
| 06:38.15 | brlcad | nopes |
| 06:41.00 | brlcad | if it's a command that just returns a value that is printed, you can capture that to a file very simply |
| 06:41.25 | brlcad | set fd [open whatever w] ; puts $fd [your command here] ; close $fd |
| 06:42.10 | brlcad | if your command calls puts directly or manually writes to stdout/stderr, then you'll have to reopen stdout/stderr |
| 06:44.08 | starseeker | hmm |
| 06:44.10 | brlcad | this is pretty interesting by itself and is related, http://inferno.slug.org/cgi-bin/wiki?Redirecting_Stdout |
| 06:44.32 | brlcad | does the stdout redirection |
| 06:45.24 | starseeker | hmm - what's the license on that? |
| 06:47.34 | brlcad | don't know, doesn't say (not that I'd be too worried for such a small public snippet that isn't being promoted/used outside of regression testing) |
| 06:47.38 | yukonbob | hi nerds |
| 06:47.38 | starseeker | grr - wildcards don't seem to work inside [] |
| 06:47.45 | brlcad | nope |
| 06:47.55 | brlcad | wildcards are glob compat expansion |
| 06:47.57 | yukonbob | starseeker: glob |
| 06:47.59 | brlcad | there is a glob command |
| 06:48.36 | starseeker | glob expands the file system |
| 06:48.47 | starseeker | wants it to list primitives |
| 06:48.51 | brlcad | starseeker: another option is the exec command which does offer operator redirection |
| 06:48.57 | starseeker | hmmm |
| 06:49.26 | brlcad | set ret [exec script.tcl >& output] |
| 06:49.52 | brlcad | er, set ret [exec tclsh script.tcl >& output] |
| 06:50.14 | brlcad | will kick off a subprocess |
| 06:50.20 | starseeker | that might work |
| 06:50.36 | brlcad | ret will of course have the numeric exit status |
| 06:50.39 | yukonbob | one could also build a completely new [brlputs] either at script or C level... |
| 06:50.51 | starseeker | as you've probably guessed, I'm exploring doing this regression thing from the tcl side |
| 06:51.21 | brlcad | you have a reasonable setup as it is |
| 06:52.08 | starseeker | it has at least one major problem with extensive use of the make command |
| 06:52.11 | starseeker | that was a bad mistake |
| 06:52.24 | starseeker | also, a lot of operations like tra should be tried on all the primitives |
| 06:52.39 | starseeker | I've already convinced tcl to do some rather intelligent things in that department |
| 06:53.11 | brlcad | make just exemplifies that problem I was telling you about, sensitivity of the tests to changes |
| 06:53.15 | starseeker | of course, I can kick off the individual scripts from sh, but I was thinking if tcl was used all the way through we could also regression test on Windows |
| 06:53.21 | yukonbob | starseeker: are you using tcltest(n)? |
| 06:53.23 | brlcad | the tests are going to be *highly* sensitive unless you make the comparisons highly relaxed |
| 06:53.43 | starseeker | yukonbob: never heard of it |
| 06:53.46 | starseeker | googles |
| 06:53.53 | yukonbob | man n tcltest :) |
| 06:54.20 | yukonbob | (assuming your tcl man pages are section n) |
| 06:54.26 | brlcad | yukonbob: a great suggestion, maybe "round two" |
| 06:54.38 | starseeker | brlcad: Oh, agreed - they'll be fragile. But that particular one (make) incorporated a known problem into libged sensitive commands at a time when we have to be especially concerned about their behavior - just a brain dead move on my part |
| 06:54.56 | brlcad | starseeker: nod |
| 06:55.07 | brlcad | so swap them all out for in commands, and you're done :) |
| 06:55.24 | brlcad | except for the make command, don't swap it out for in ;) |
| 06:55.59 | starseeker | sure - but having to do that manually is a pain in the neck, and highlighted how stupid I was to have so many manual instances of various commands present in full verbosity anyway |
| 06:55.59 | brlcad | yukonbob: have you used tcltest on a project before, example testsuite that could be run somewhere? |
| 06:56.18 | starseeker | proc in_arb8 {cmdname {id_number ""} {extension ".s"}} {in [format %s_arb8%s%s $cmdname $id_number $extension] arb8 10 -9 -8 10 -1 -8 10 -1 0 10 -9 0 3 -9 -8 3 -1 -8 3 -1 0 3 -9 0 } |
| 06:56.23 | starseeker | for example |
| 06:57.23 | starseeker | as is, even without integrating anything, I think we look like we're in fairly good shape |
| 06:57.58 | starseeker | I don't have full coverage yet, but have a lot of the critical ones |
| 06:58.44 | brlcad | good shape on the testing side or on the results side |
| 06:58.50 | starseeker | results |
| 06:59.06 | brlcad | ah, great .. so we can .. SHIP IT! |
| 06:59.13 | starseeker | most are due to the make differences (or other arb changes) |
| 06:59.21 | brlcad | that would make for a great dyslexic typo |
| 07:00.22 | brlcad | I'm actually most concerned about outright crashes happening |
| 07:01.21 | starseeker | Well, aside from autoview and saveview, loadview, ps, and plot antics I don't think I hit anything that flat out crashed |
| 07:01.54 | starseeker | oh, and overlay |
| 07:02.07 | starseeker | Bob knows autoview is messed up |
| 07:02.16 | starseeker | the others seem to be unhappy about being scripted |
| 07:05.07 | starseeker | anyway, sleep - I'll forge on tomorrow |
| 07:05.26 | starseeker | getting a better feel for how to do stuff in tcl, so that's probably good |
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| 07:06.40 | starseeker | brlcad, yukonbob: thanks for the help |
| 07:06.47 | starseeker | appreciate it :-) |
| 07:07.01 | brlcad | what's autoview do wrong? |
| 07:07.11 | starseeker | it's not doing much of anything |
| 07:07.15 | brlcad | hrm, quite a few things use it |
| 07:07.49 | brlcad | okay, well cya on the other side |
| 07:08.02 | starseeker | later :-) |
| 07:15.59 | yukonbob | brlcad: I've done -small- work with it... see Tcl itself for large test suite, or sqlite |
| 07:16.25 | yukonbob | see also dejagnu, which is tcl-based |
| 07:16.37 | yukonbob | ^---- gcc testsuite |
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| 12:16.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33682 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/deprecation.txt: apparently I made it obsolete in 7.12.4 whilest consolidating and eliminating globals |
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| 13:23.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33683 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: Add note in TODO about tools to make life easier with springs/shocks/coils and gears |
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| 15:00.43 | ``Erik | taps his foot and waits for release so he can begin committing horrible atrocities |
| 15:01.43 | ``Erik | (parse however you like) |
| 15:02.15 | ``Erik | I'm thinking above shoving libtie into librt proper O.o |
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| 15:18.53 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33684 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Replace some of the makes with ins, comment out a few problematic tests. |
| 15:22.18 | brlcad | ``Erik: you could make the release yourself, follow the HACKING guide steps |
| 15:22.48 | brlcad | basically just have to write some release notes, update the release number in a couple places, sync to stable, and pass make distcheck |
| 15:22.52 | ``Erik | uhhhhh *thinks of a way to dodge* waiting on starseekers mged test suite results? :D |
| 15:23.24 | ``Erik | has released auto* crap before, knows the routine, just doesn't wanna do it :D dicking with code instead |
| 15:23.54 | archivist | watches him wriggle |
| 15:24.08 | ``Erik | (that and the machines I like have failed install/deinstall tests since the tkhtml stuff, due to tea ... issues) |
| 15:24.10 | ``Erik | :D |
| 15:24.26 | ``Erik | yeah, well, I think the wiggling just bought me the duty |
| 15:25.55 | brlcad | starseeker seems willing |
| 15:38.04 | ``Erik | yeah, he just left my office, he's gonna head it up, *puts on pigtails and freckles* an' ah halped! |
| 15:51.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33685 10/brlcad/trunk/ (ChangeLog include/conf/PATCH): Bump PATCH number, update Changelog |
| 15:52.01 | starseeker | brlcad: Given the updates coming to the TODO file, do you want me to do anything with it now? |
| 15:52.08 | brlcad | nope |
| 15:52.11 | starseeker | k |
| 15:58.15 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33686 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: (log message trimmed) |
| 15:58.15 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: spell out names for consistency unless they won't fit, items are supposed to be |
| 15:58.15 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: in stack-based chronological ordering with newest on top. so move up eriks |
| 15:58.15 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: (added a rough cut at an "evolutionary" capability to g_diff. This attempts to |
| 15:58.15 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: guess if a change to a region was a natural evolution or if the region was |
| 15:58.18 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: "reworked" in some significant fashion. Requested by lbutler.) and expand (Base |
| 15:58.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: to neck ratio in hyp should not be scaled with other parameters, result is |
| 16:01.31 | ``Erik | tries to remember AM_CONDITIONAL's behavior |
| 16:03.49 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33687 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: summary in preparation for release 7.14.2; emphasize the importer and exporter changes noting bot_dump, lens, dem-g, and the dxf-g 2d entity fix. |
| 16:06.23 | brlcad | AM_CONDITIONAL(VAR, [condition]) ==> if condition evaluates to true, define/include VAR sections |
| 16:06.56 | ``Erik | yeah, but the little details when you're in the guts is where I'm trynig to think :D |
| 16:07.17 | brlcad | you mean the condition? |
| 16:07.19 | ``Erik | I think I don't even need to do that, though, I think it was just a silly oversight... testing |
| 16:07.36 | brlcad | rarely need conditionals |
| 16:07.45 | ``Erik | "if VAR", was thinking I might need to undefined VAR in the .ac |
| 16:08.25 | ``Erik | (--enable-all on a machien without apache fop attempts to execute ":", trying to make it smarter) |
| 16:08.26 | brlcad | usually better to AC_SUBST so it can be toggled in the source |
| 16:08.33 | brlcad | ah yes |
| 16:09.21 | brlcad | starseeker: I'm done |
| 16:09.37 | starseeker | brlcad: great, thanks! |
| 16:09.44 | starseeker | got builds going on mac and linux now |
| 16:10.50 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33688 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: do not build PDF docs if apache FOP is not found. |
| 16:10.52 | ``Erik | taps cia |
| 16:10.55 | ``Erik | starseeker: I'm done |
| 16:10.56 | ``Erik | :D |
| 16:11.14 | starseeker | ``Erik: awesome, thanks! |
| 16:11.28 | starseeker | notes change to configure.ac and restarts builds... |
| 16:12.35 | ``Erik | since I've probably broken things in horrible ways, I should flee to lunch... :D |
| 16:12.46 | starseeker | heh |
| 16:13.25 | starseeker | might as well - make distcheck will take a little while |
| 16:13.41 | ``Erik | yeah, it might even take until, oh, say, 1pm? |
| 16:13.50 | starseeker | heh |
| 16:14.44 | brlcad | starseeker, you should be good to go to upload to sf.net as well -- see a previous release for what goes into notes, changelog, and the various file settings |
| 16:18.12 | brlcad | or ask, whatever |
| 16:19.19 | starseeker | cool, I'll take care of it |
| 16:19.25 | starseeker | has done it once before, IIRC |
| 16:20.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33689 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/java/ (3 files): Completion of gsph0_test. Now successfully handshakes, requests geometry, receives geometry and logs off the gsph0. |
| 16:20.52 | starseeker | brlcad: You get to do the website update (heh - we missed 7.14.0 on the website. oops) |
| 16:23.24 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33690 10/rt^3/trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs): Completion of gsph0. Now sucessfully handshakes, handles requests, sends geometry and disconnects from gsph0_test. Boost::asio is providing a segfault whenever a client disconnects, so that is the next issue to tackle. |
| 16:27.22 | starseeker | brlcad: bty, home come make extrude uses an empty sketch instead of some default? |
| 16:27.28 | starseeker | er s/home/how |
| 16:28.35 | brlcad | it's a lose lose situation |
| 16:28.56 | starseeker | how so? |
| 16:29.20 | brlcad | it used to make a default and people complained that (of course) it was never what they were modeling if they're actually creating something new |
| 16:29.32 | starseeker | ah |
| 16:29.37 | brlcad | so to use sketch, you always had to pop open the sketch editor |
| 16:29.46 | brlcad | and delete everything |
| 16:29.51 | brlcad | every time |
| 16:30.00 | brlcad | now it's an empty pallete |
| 16:30.21 | brlcad | makes it harder for quick testing, but for folks actually modeling, it's a step less |
| 16:30.40 | starseeker | maybe we should show a bounding box wireframe for the empty case or something, so it doesn't look like a total falure |
| 16:30.54 | starseeker | OK, I can see that |
| 16:31.31 | starseeker | we should be able to draw the bb without the sketch |
| 16:31.55 | brlcad | what is the bb of an empty sketch? :) |
| 16:32.18 | starseeker | no, the empty extrude |
| 16:32.28 | starseeker | or rather, an extrude with an empty sketcy |
| 16:32.32 | starseeker | sketch |
| 16:32.33 | starseeker | grr |
| 16:32.50 | sketcy | :D |
| 16:32.54 | starseeker | the extrude's bounding box is not impacted by the contents o the sketch, iirc |
| 16:33.03 | sketcy | d-lo |
| 16:33.04 | starseeker | :-P |
| 16:33.10 | starseeker | nice |
| 16:33.24 | d-lo | is an irssitard |
| 16:34.31 | starseeker | an empty sketch will obviously have nothing to display, but an empty extrude still defines a volume in which the extrusion will take place |
| 16:34.49 | brlcad | it's an empty volume |
| 16:35.08 | brlcad | it defines a height |
| 16:35.11 | brlcad | so the "bb" would be a line |
| 16:35.14 | brlcad | segment |
| 16:35.21 | brlcad | not very intuitive/useful |
| 16:35.26 | starseeker | I thought there were other vectors |
| 16:35.29 | starseeker | looks again |
| 16:35.33 | brlcad | those are scaling parameters |
| 16:35.42 | brlcad | not absolute values |
| 16:35.45 | starseeker | ah, phooy |
| 16:35.50 | brlcad | multiply by the scaling and you got zero |
| 16:36.07 | starseeker | thought the sketch was scaled to fit within absolute 3D boundaries |
| 16:36.09 | starseeker | my bad |
| 16:36.17 | brlcad | hm |
| 16:36.20 | brlcad | well double-check it |
| 16:36.33 | starseeker | if it isn't it should be ;-) |
| 16:37.44 | brlcad | the confusion there might be the inconsistency, showing the wireframe bounding box that renders nothing where normally that would be .. a box |
| 16:37.51 | brlcad | and conceivably could be a sketch that is just a box |
| 16:38.13 | starseeker | true - maybe use dotted lines or some other non-traditional outline? |
| 16:38.27 | starseeker | could use it for all bounding volumes, come to think of it |
| 16:39.04 | brlcad | it's presently all neatly abstracted |
| 16:39.26 | brlcad | wireframe render just asks the primitives for their segment list and draws them |
| 16:39.52 | brlcad | if it's drawing a combination, it draws subtractions with a dashed line |
| 16:40.04 | brlcad | the primitive doesn't have a way to say "this is just my bounding box" |
| 16:40.32 | starseeker | hmm - pity |
| 16:41.03 | brlcad | what you could do, though, once BB creation is separated from prep() would be to change wireframe render to display a BB (with whatever visual annotation) using the bb routine if the segment list was empty() |
| 16:41.16 | brlcad | could have another mode that displayed all bounding boxes.. that'd be cool |
| 16:46.25 | starseeker | uh - got a failure - MISSING FROM DIST: ./src/mged/red.c |
| 16:46.31 | starseeker | what the |
| 16:46.40 | starseeker | is that file new? |
| 16:47.40 | starseeker | investigates |
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| 17:14.05 | starseeker | blinks - the red.c error did NOT occur on OSX |
| 17:15.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33691 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/Makefile.am: Put red.c in EXTRA_DIST to make distcheck happy. |
| 17:24.37 | starseeker | brlcad: I recall you finding a "right" way to sync to stable that didn't involve blowing it away - what was the trick? |
| 17:57.36 | brlcad | using the right command |
| 17:57.54 | brlcad | and right options |
| 17:58.40 | brlcad | I believe I put an example in a commit log message |
| 18:00.31 | starseeker | ok. Is there a way in tcl to direct stderr to stdout the way the 2>&1 trick does in sh? |
| 18:00.52 | brlcad | >& |
| 18:01.09 | starseeker | thanks |
| 18:01.29 | brlcad | "man n exec" lists all the combinations |
| 18:15.55 | starseeker | wonders how the sh logic looking for the mged path can be recreated... hmm... |
| 18:31.00 | starseeker | brlcad: If you did comment on the svn options I'm not seeing it in the STABLE merge commits |
| 18:38.16 | starseeker | ok, both make distchecks passed - starting the STABLE merge (gulp) |
| 18:43.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33692 10/brlcad/tags/rel-7-14-2/: Tag 7.14.2 Release |
| 18:44.42 | starseeker | that was some strange password stuff it wanted |
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| 19:39.19 | brlcad | starseeker: that doesn't look right.. |
| 19:39.41 | brlcad | tag should be off of STABLE *after* the merge is complete and committed |
| 19:39.53 | starseeker | crud |
| 19:40.00 | starseeker | then HACKING is wrong |
| 19:40.11 | brlcad | not a big deal, but fyi for future |
| 19:40.16 | starseeker | k |
| 19:40.22 | brlcad | hacking doesn't know about stable |
| 19:40.27 | starseeker | grr |
| 19:40.47 | starseeker | syncing up STABLE is being a major pita again |
| 19:41.22 | brlcad | what is your merge line? |
| 19:41.44 | starseeker | svn merge -r 33115:HEAD https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk |
| 19:41.52 | starseeker | I'm doing it by subdirectories now with better luck |
| 19:42.04 | brlcad | did you find the commit? |
| 19:42.14 | brlcad | I vaguely recall that being the problem |
| 19:42.16 | starseeker | the one with your comment? no |
| 19:42.54 | brlcad | it's starting to come back to me.. |
| 19:48.02 | starseeker | I'm thinking the header updates are partially clogging it |
| 19:48.12 | starseeker | it means a change for virtually every file |
| 19:48.32 | brlcad | which implies something is wrong with the merge line |
| 19:48.36 | brlcad | that should be a clean merge |
| 19:49.57 | starseeker | my connection keeps timing out |
| 19:54.50 | brlcad | starseeker: try form 1 for svn merge |
| 19:54.56 | brlcad | instead of three |
| 19:56.04 | starseeker | form 1? |
| 19:56.13 | brlcad | svn help merge, the first one |
| 19:56.26 | brlcad | and be specific on all three optional parts |
| 19:56.43 | brlcad | even if it's the 'default' |
| 19:58.13 | brlcad | i vaguely recall the screwup having something to do with not specifying the from/to explicitly |
| 19:59.45 | starseeker | it doesn't like https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/branches/STABLE@33115 |
| 19:59.54 | starseeker | syntax error |
| 20:00.15 | brlcad | plus, the last merge point was r33207 |
| 20:00.33 | brlcad | that's not a valid revision on STABLE |
| 20:00.45 | brlcad | hm!(lightbulb) |
| 20:00.50 | brlcad | that could cause it |
| 20:01.04 | brlcad | not valid so it defaults to BASE .. which would be a conflict |
| 20:01.25 | brlcad | (guessing) |
| 20:01.46 | starseeker | it's a syntax error though, not a revision # error |
| 20:02.50 | starseeker | oh, duh |
| 20:03.55 | starseeker | removes stray -r |
| 20:04.09 | starseeker | OK, I'm gonna grab lunch while that runs |
| 20:05.24 | brlcad | hopes that's a fresh working copy, else it'll still be conflicted |
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| 21:01.21 | starseeker | brlcad: still getting the blasted timeout failures |
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| 21:53.53 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33693 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (142 files in 10 dirs): Merge 7.14.2 into STABLE branch - part 1 |
| 21:55.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33694 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (75 files in 25 dirs): Merge 7.14.2 into STABLE branch - part 2 |
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| 21:58.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33695 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/ (204 files in 29 dirs): Merge 7.14.2 into STABLE branch - part 3 |
| 22:03.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33696 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/ (374 files in 21 dirs): Merge 7.14.2 into STABLE branch - part 4 |
| 22:03.43 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:04.15 | starseeker | shakes fist at connection, but at least it merged |
| 22:04.18 | brlcad | any better luck on the merge? |
| 22:04.19 | starseeker | thanks brlcad for that command |
| 22:04.22 | starseeker | yep |
| 22:04.27 | brlcad | cool |
| 22:04.37 | brlcad | in hindsight, I suspect it maybe was just the revision being used |
| 22:04.45 | brlcad | either that or lack of explicit . |
| 22:04.52 | starseeker | I think lack of explicit |
| 22:05.04 | starseeker | will stick that in hacking for next time |
| 22:05.21 | starseeker | expected better of subversion, but oh well |
| 22:09.08 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm updating HACKING to include stable |
| 22:10.59 | louipc | wow |
| 22:17.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33697 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/ (709 files in 57 dirs): Merge 7.14.2 into STABLE branch - part 5 |
| 22:18.29 | starseeker | brlcad: Any idea how to enable "test.s*" matching of database objects in a .g file instead of files on the filesystem from tcl? |
| 22:32.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33698 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/ (320 files in 15 dirs): Merge 7.14.2 into STABLE branch - part 6 |
| 22:32.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33699 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/ (512 files in 21 dirs): Merge 7.14.2 into STABLE branch - part 7 |
| 22:32.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33700 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (12 files): Merge 7.14.2 into STABLE branch - part 8 |
| 22:32.44 | starseeker | phew |
| 22:32.53 | starseeker | hopes that has got it |
| 22:37.03 | starseeker | brlcad: i've gotta run - i can do the pulls on the tagged release and stable later to follow up, as well as uploading the tarballs, or you can take it from here |
| 22:37.08 | starseeker | whoever gets to it first? |
| 22:42.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33701 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: Correct HACKING to take into account the updating of STABLE - tagging should actually happen from stable branch, not from trunk itself. |
| 22:44.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33703 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/.mged.tcl.swp: oops, don't want the swap file |
| 22:44.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33702 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (17 files): Put in early versions of tcl based regression tests, using individual files per-command and using looping logic and procs to make things easier to manage. Early test code, feasibility study. |
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| 23:19.01 | ``Erik | weird |
| 23:55.38 | starseeker | ``Erik: what? |
| 00:02.09 | starseeker | notes its 2009 - whoops |
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| 00:23.33 | IriX64 | $ bin/mged -v |
| 00:23.33 | IriX64 | mged.c Compiled Feb 6 2009 05:03:18 - Geometry Editor (MGED) Version 7.14.1 |
| 00:23.33 | IriX64 | Thank you for flying Aberdeen! |
| 00:23.42 | IriX64 | that one ran late :) |
| 00:25.38 | IriX64 | now to put it in rt.exe |
| 00:29.45 | IriX64 | char * bu_ident (char * string) |
| 00:29.45 | IriX64 | { |
| 00:29.45 | IriX64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.45 | IriX64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.56 | IriX64 | }i dont know where to hide this |
| 00:32.27 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 00:32.29 | ``Erik | hide? huh? |
| 00:32.37 | IriX64 | heh ok put :) |
| 00:33.47 | IriX64 | got gcc 4.4 latest snapshot to compile brl-cad, i'm thrilled with those people |
| 00:34.34 | IriX64 | mmmm maybe add __VERSION__ to id what compiled it |
| 00:35.23 | IriX64 | system ground away for 3.5 hours, sheesh |
| 00:42.12 | ``Erik | how's the version patch coming? ready to put into the sourceforge patch thingiemajigger? |
| 00:42.46 | IriX64 | don't know how thats done but ill learn |
| 00:52.13 | IriX64 | C:\Users\IriX64>gcc --ver |
| 00:52.13 | IriX64 | Using built-in specs. |
| 00:52.13 | IriX64 | Target: i686-pc-cygwin |
| 00:52.13 | IriX64 | Configured with: ../configure --enable-threads --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,obj |
| 00:52.13 | IriX64 | -c++,java,fortran,ada CFLAGS='-march=k8 -mtune=k8 -Wl,-A=k8' |
| 00:52.14 | IriX64 | Thread model: posix |
| 00:52.16 | IriX64 | gcc version 4.4.0 20090206 (experimental) (GCC) |
| 00:52.25 | IriX64 | C:\Users\IriX64>this is a bit much, ill leave now ;) |
| 00:53.10 | IriX64 | it happily successfully compiles brl-cad, thhe last one didn't |
| 00:53.50 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33704 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Whoops, it's 2009 |
| 00:53.56 | starseeker | arrrgh - it looks like the libged conversion re-introduced the region/attr bug |
| 01:04.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33705 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (build_region.tcl mged.tcl regression_resources.tcl): More tcl regression experimentation |
| 01:13.11 | ``Erik | eh |
| 01:13.45 | starseeker | eh? |
| 01:18.27 | starseeker | needs a faster computer to compile cpp |
| 01:40.31 | ``Erik | cpp-- |
| 01:44.15 | brlcad | whoops |
| 01:44.51 | archivist | starseeker, just seen a question in a mailing list you could possibly answer. fella wants to know engine was fitted to a World War I Tank |
| 01:47.27 | starseeker | how it was fitted, or which engine was fitted? |
| 01:47.37 | archivist | which engine |
| 01:47.52 | starseeker | In the Mark VIII, I believe in the US it was the Liberty engine |
| 01:48.05 | starseeker | aircraft engine, that everyone wound up liking and using |
| 01:48.37 | archivist | thnks Ill reply |
| 01:53.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33706 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/attr.c: Add back in logic to handle d_flags when attr is handling the region attribute |
| 01:54.06 | brlcad | starseeker: part why tagging is the very last step, how'd you catch that one? |
| 01:55.25 | brlcad | should probably resync and retag with the various changes |
| 01:57.15 | ``Erik | (assuming cpp is a degredate version of c++, not actually, y'know, cpp, whci is NOT c++) |
| 02:46.09 | mafm | night |
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| 03:16.23 | starseeker | brlcad: using build_region to get around the * wildcard not matching solids, wanted to take region flag off for a test, didn't work |
| 03:16.56 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, will do with retagging - just delete previous tag? |
| 03:17.21 | starseeker | ``Erik: going by file name extension |
| 03:20.28 | starseeker | brlcad: should I just delete my regress/mged playpen for the moment? |
| 03:25.30 | starseeker | hmm. clone -i is supposed to increment between each copy, but it only incremented the first one |
| 03:30.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33707 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/clone.tcl: OK, tcl clone test works now. |
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| 03:32.11 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/60TnKD55.html <--- version thingy, just what do you want it to say? |
| 03:34.49 | IriX64 | it's yours, make it say whatever you want. |
| 03:35.36 | IriX64 | mine lives in libbu |
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| 03:46.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33708 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (mirror.tcl prefix.tcl): Add mirror and prefix to tcl tests. |
| 03:58.39 | starseeker | should really load libtclcad and work with its commands if I want wildcards, I guess... |
| 04:01.02 | starseeker | or feed things in some way other than source |
| 04:11.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33709 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: |
| 04:11.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: more cleanups on new release steps that include merging to STABLE, particularly |
| 04:11.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: noting how to find the revision number to merge against. include making sure |
| 04:11.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: distcheck works after merge. include examples of how to manually check a |
| 04:11.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: distribution after the dist is made. there's also a step 16. very important |
| 04:11.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: step. |
| 04:11.22 | brlcad | starseeker: can either delete tag and retag or cp the file(s) that changed |
| 04:11.31 | brlcad | delete and retag is the save path |
| 04:12.30 | brlcad | s/save/safe/ |
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| 04:40.48 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/N8KWz382.html <--- this version lets you identify the file or program you're calling it from |
| 04:51.20 | brlcad | IriX64: enthusiasm and direction are better, but you really need to figure out a useful version string -- otherwise we're just doing the work for you and you're just making it more work |
| 04:51.33 | brlcad | run a few dozen commands on your system, see how they report a version |
| 04:51.38 | brlcad | look for patterns |
| 04:51.48 | brlcad | make it something useful |
| 04:51.51 | brlcad | then post a patch |
| 04:51.51 | IriX64 | nitty gritty then |
| 04:52.10 | brlcad | we don't need 50 pastebins of anything and everything you try and figure out |
| 04:52.22 | brlcad | the point is to be productive |
| 04:52.38 | IriX64 | thanks, was just wondering if anybody was paying attention |
| 04:52.46 | brlcad | well right now you're just making noise |
| 04:52.53 | IriX64 | true |
| 04:52.56 | brlcad | so stop it |
| 04:53.03 | IriX64 | done |
| 04:53.11 | Maloeran | Eheh, things aren't changed around here |
| 04:53.20 | Maloeran | haven't* changed |
| 04:53.32 | IriX64 | :) |
| 04:53.54 | Maloeran | can become strangely dyslexic when tired |
| 04:54.58 | Maloeran | How has life been brlcad? |
| 04:55.06 | brlcad | hey Maloeran |
| 04:55.11 | brlcad | going great |
| 04:55.22 | brlcad | having load of fun |
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| 04:59.57 | brlcad | Maloeran: how've you been? still traveling the world? |
| 05:00.02 | Mal | Grah, the wireless connection I'm getting in my hotel room is truly pathetic |
| 05:00.21 | Mal | The other terminal seems frozen for now, it happens quite a bit with a 20% packet loss |
| 05:00.22 | brlcad | fun |
| 05:00.50 | Mal | I'm presently in Baltimore, spent the week in Washington for some conference thing, flying back to South America tomorrow |
| 05:01.59 | Mal | Are you still working on the same old good stuff, maintenance of BRL-CAD? |
| 05:02.22 | brlcad | absolutely |
| 05:02.38 | brlcad | new release going out today |
| 05:02.45 | Mal | Eheh, that's great |
| 05:03.20 | Maloeran | Grah, the wireless connection I'm getting in my hotel room is truly pathetic |
| 05:03.28 | brlcad | there were some guys from another group asking if you were still working on some bit of code |
| 05:04.02 | Maloeran | Woohoo, that terminal woke up, and the other froze |
| 05:04.05 | Mal | I was in Washington to present our CFD stuff to be used for fire modelling, I think it went well ( I didn't do the talking ) |
| 05:04.28 | Mal | Working on what bit of code, raytracing? |
| 05:04.41 | brlcad | defcon |
| 05:04.56 | Mal | Oh yes I see |
| 05:05.25 | Mal | Mark has been keeping me busy with CFD, but it's quite fun |
| 05:05.36 | brlcad | cool |
| 05:05.48 | Mal | Apparently, people at the conference weren't used to see CFD that stuff ( interactive, real-time on a laptop ) |
| 05:06.05 | Mal | With viscosity, shockwaves and other stuff |
| 05:06.11 | Mal | CFD that fast* |
| 05:07.31 | brlcad | cool, can't wait to see a demo myself |
| 05:08.47 | Mal | We haven't validated the code with very precise test cases yet... I'm a bit puzzled by how if I plug all the basic fundamental merged properties of air, its shockwaves seem to propagate at 310m/s instead of 340m/s at room temperature |
| 05:09.43 | Mal | But I guess there might be some molecular thing factor, whatever that might be, that isn't just a consequence of the base properties of the fluid |
| 05:10.55 | Mal | That speed isn't related to space or time granularity of the simulation, so this isn't just a computation artefact. Oh well |
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| 05:34.58 | aslan-ipo | a |
| 05:35.08 | aslan-ipo | a |
| 05:35.37 | aslan-ipo | anyone here this late at night? |
| 05:47.55 | brlcad | impatient |
| 05:49.14 | starseeker | brlcad: eh? |
| 05:49.37 | starseeker | I may be too busy tomorrow to redo the release steps on my home box, just fyi |
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| 11:57.10 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
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| 17:40.44 | ``Erik_ | #!~31 bitch, all in bmore and ain't sayin' hi to get a visit rollin', wtff |
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| 19:59.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33710 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/other/tkhtml3/Makefile.in: this makefile.in is completely wrong, somehow a built version from automake (yet tkhtml3 doesn't use automake) |
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| 20:29.33 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/2liozC66.html <-- brlcad, I'm lazy, this one will identify every time, can be used anywhere, no patch for you i'm afraid :) |
| 20:31.23 | IriX64 | called with brlcad_identt("The BRL-CAD btclsh "); |
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| 20:36.00 | IriX64 | man it's a hobby, quit trying to turn it into work :) |
| 20:36.12 | brlcad | quit wasting my time |
| 20:36.52 | brlcad | patience has expired. if you aren't going to help, then find a new hobby |
| 20:37.02 | IriX64 | sure |
| 20:37.07 | brlcad | just about everyone in here has tried to help you |
| 20:37.38 | brlcad | IriX64: read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NNPP |
| 20:38.08 | brlcad | that is you without a doubt, and it's time to stop |
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| 21:02.23 | yukonbob | ugh |
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| 23:03.15 | starseeker | boy he really did not want to do anything useful |
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| 00:14.00 | yukonbob | hates seeing this happen |
| 00:23.04 | starseeker | needs to once in a while - just how it works :/ |
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| 01:56.36 | yukonbob | starseeker: agreed, but still not pleasant ;) |
| 01:57.08 | yukonbob | brlcad: congrats and drawing the line that's been a long time coming... |
| 03:43.32 | brlcad | that doesn't merit congratulations, but it has been a long time coming |
| 03:45.48 | brlcad | I expect the best in people |
| 03:46.26 | yukonbob | well... congrats is a weird word for it, but a decision had to made, you made it, so "congrats". It's not easy. |
| 03:46.39 | brlcad | it took a while to convince that he just *won't* be helpful in any way even if it was "nearly" certain when he first showed up |
| 03:47.21 | yukonbob | yup... it's like he tried his hardest to avoid learning and being helpful. But whatever... water under the bridge. |
| 03:47.40 | yukonbob | how's the release coming, or is done? |
| 03:47.41 | brlcad | just took a few more decimal points of precision, 99%, 99.9%, 99.99%, etc... to be sure he wouldn't |
| 03:47.53 | yukonbob | heh |
| 03:47.53 | brlcad | coming along, what I'm doing right now |
| 03:47.59 | yukonbob | nods |
| 03:48.00 | yukonbob | nice |
| 03:48.10 | brlcad | starseeker did most of the hard work |
| 03:48.38 | yukonbob | I had some auto* issues when I went for a complete in-tree build -- no time to pursue before this release though... |
| 03:49.02 | yukonbob | will bring them up in the next few days hopefully, and start working on models and landscapes again :) |
| 03:49.09 | brlcad | k |
| 03:51.22 | brlcad | now that I know what all it took to get the mediawiki extension to work, I'm wanting to make one for drupal too.. too much prioritized against it though |
| 03:51.32 | yukonbob | plays with the Tcl C API atm... is fun |
| 03:51.35 | brlcad | web site needs a new look |
| 03:52.03 | brlcad | Tcl C api is some of the best aspects of Tcl imho |
| 03:54.17 | brlcad | starseeker: any idea how tkhtml3's Makefile.in was clobbered during your merge? makes me dubious of the merge state |
| 03:54.18 | yukonbob | I've not played 'seriously' in C in a while, but I'm digging this after so many years of high level (esp. Tcl)... swimming up/down the 'stack' in my head between C and Tcl, between proc and functions, C vars and Tcl vars is fun and powerful. |
| 03:56.33 | yukonbob | it's neat to take a look at a task and turn it inside-out/outside-in, thinking "is C-driven Tcl, or Tcl-driven C?" |
| 04:32.51 | starseeker | brlcad: no clue how the Makefile.in was clobbered |
| 04:33.07 | starseeker | might be worth a manual diff of the trunk and stable directories |
| 04:36.40 | starseeker | brlcad: Oh, wait |
| 04:37.26 | starseeker | there was some sort of conflict with that file - I THOUGHT I copied in the newest version, but maybe not |
| 04:38.13 | starseeker | ok, I probably messed it up by not checking the conflict more carefully - my bad |
| 04:38.18 | starseeker | sorry :-( |
| 05:45.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33711 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (33 files): |
| 05:45.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: OK, rework this one more time. Make the mged logic .mged files, and put tcl |
| 05:45.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: specific stuff all in regression_resources.tcl. Have mged.tcl assemble the |
| 05:45.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: .mged files and run the test - the way the logic is defined it's easy to run |
| 05:45.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: individual tests as well. |
| 05:48.27 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || GSoC 2008 Highlight: new prototype gui, check it out! || Source Release 7.14.2 is posted (20080207) | |
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| 07:37.27 | starseeker | puzzles out how to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH from within tcl |
| 07:46.29 | brlcad | set env(LD_LI...) |
| 07:46.49 | starseeker | thanks :-) |
| 07:47.01 | starseeker | I take it the update to STABLE went OK? |
| 07:47.09 | starseeker | saw topic change |
| 07:47.49 | brlcad | went ahead with the existing tag since it passed testing, patches weren't major |
| 07:47.54 | starseeker | ah |
| 07:48.13 | brlcad | started the merge, but found a handful of other things to manually review |
| 07:48.15 | starseeker | 2008 date and all? ;-) |
| 07:48.35 | brlcad | yep, minor issue |
| 07:48.42 | starseeker | hmm. how many issues cropped up? |
| 07:49.16 | brlcad | about 200 files to review |
| 07:49.32 | brlcad | categorically probably about 50 |
| 07:49.51 | starseeker | jeez |
| 07:50.01 | starseeker | must have messed up big time |
| 07:50.30 | starseeker | blast it, I thought that last merge was pretty clean |
| 07:50.48 | brlcad | well I haven't done the review yet |
| 07:51.51 | starseeker | doesn't really follow how that could happen - isn't subversion supposed to handle merging of this sort correctly? |
| 07:53.14 | brlcad | it handles merging between revision ranges on subtrees |
| 07:53.24 | brlcad | so our revision numbers may have been different |
| 07:53.34 | starseeker | hmm |
| 07:53.46 | brlcad | which by the way, you should include in the comment when you commit any merge |
| 07:54.04 | starseeker | ah, right. |
| 07:56.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33712 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (make_bb.tcl mged.tcl): Whoops, left over tcl test. |
| 07:57.13 | starseeker | pulls a stable tree |
| 07:57.31 | starseeker | I'll try to take a look tomorrow - 3am is reaching my limits :-( |
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| 17:22.38 | starseeker | me growls at sourceforge |
| 17:29.38 | brlcad | starseeker, been looking into it and looks like the merge was clean other than that one Makefile.in |
| 17:29.50 | starseeker | brlcad: phew |
| 17:29.53 | starseeker | thank you! |
| 17:30.12 | starseeker | was sweating it |
| 17:30.31 | starseeker | what were all the diffs about? |
| 17:35.59 | starseeker | starts plotting in a year or so to do a serious upgrade to his home box... |
| 17:36.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33713 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (40 files in 3 dirs): sync with trunk from 33207 through 33711 |
| 17:39.24 | brlcad | a handful of issues, reapplying merges that had already occurred showing up as a diff, two conflicts (easy to resolve), few diffs that were $Revision:$ identifiers, bunch of ignored files (the generated html file) |
| 17:39.40 | brlcad | *files |
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| 19:38.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33714 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/mged.tcl: Add a few notes on potentially useful tools for the problem of finding and running mged |
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| 20:50.30 | starseeker | brlcad: remind me - is there a reason we can't simply always point the regression scripts to ../src/mged/mged as a relative path? |
| 20:57.26 | starseeker | is it that the script deduced that from its own location rather than the current working directory? |
| 21:28.41 | brlcad | starseeker: hm, I don't remember the exact reason, maybe in the logs, but by having them identify the script location they will run from anywhere |
| 21:29.05 | brlcad | including in the $builddir for out-of-dir builds, but also in random 'other' directories like /tmp |
| 21:29.55 | starseeker | brlcad in /tmp you would have to specify both the script location and the mged bin location - neither can be reliably deduced |
| 21:30.26 | starseeker | hmm. |
| 21:31.07 | brlcad | hm? |
| 21:31.17 | brlcad | it finds both |
| 21:31.44 | brlcad | it's still up to the individual scripts for files it generates |
| 21:31.45 | starseeker | how? If you're doing an out of source build, the script location and the bin location may be virtually arbitrary |
| 21:34.01 | brlcad | ah, it has since changed -- it used to be told where builddir was |
| 21:35.03 | brlcad | mind you, it doesn't care about 'bin' location, just builddir and srcdir |
| 21:35.17 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:36.24 | brlcad | ah, iirc another reason was 'make' portability, where a given make may not recurse the current working directory |
| 21:37.13 | starseeker | hmm |
| 21:38.10 | brlcad | not that it really matters for the regress scripts much either way .. just need to be able to run them to verify a build under 'some' set of conditions |
| 21:38.16 | brlcad | they don't need to be arbitrarily flexible |
| 21:39.38 | starseeker | true |
| 21:39.58 | starseeker | is probably overthinking, but I'd like to have some sort of "correct" solution |
| 21:50.57 | brlcad | which per the requirements of a simple, easy-to-grok, and easy to maintain testing environment, that leaves a *whole* lot of room for interpretation |
| 21:51.10 | brlcad | given the project's history, though, I would say "less is more" in this particular area |
| 21:51.50 | starseeker | sigh |
| 21:52.07 | starseeker | well, I'll carry my current train of thought to completion, and see what you think |
| 21:52.29 | starseeker | btw, how do I turn globbing on and off in the mged command line again? |
| 21:52.32 | brlcad | like I said before, sensitivity to change is the biggest evil |
| 21:52.38 | brlcad | set glob_compat_mode 0 |
| 21:52.43 | starseeker | ah, thanks |
| 22:29.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33715 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (18 files): |
| 22:29.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: One more time with regress/mged - mged.tcl can now be run successfully in an |
| 22:29.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: external build directory, but now requires it be passed the path of the top |
| 22:29.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: level source directory (same as mged.sh). This required taking the source |
| 22:29.33 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: statements out of the .mged files, so a run_test.tcl script has been added. In |
| 22:29.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: theory, this is close to the point where it can be integrated into the build |
| 22:29.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: system successfully, once some sort of diff logic is added. |
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| 04:24.06 | Mouette | in src/libbu/interrupt.c |
| 04:24.39 | Mouette | interrupt.c:66: error: syntax error before "_bu_signal_func" |
| 04:24.41 | Mouette | interrupt.c:75: warning: data definition has no type or storage class |
| 04:24.42 | Mouette | interrupt.c: In function `bu_suspend_signal': |
| 04:24.44 | Mouette | interrupt.c:108: warning: comparison between pointer and integer |
| 04:24.45 | Mouette | interrupt.c:112: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast |
| 04:24.47 | Mouette | interrupt.c:113: warning: comparison between pointer and integer |
| 04:24.48 | Mouette | interrupt.c:114: error: `sig_t' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 04:24.50 | Mouette | interrupt.c:114: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 04:24.51 | Mouette | interrupt.c:114: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 04:24.53 | Mouette | interrupt.c:114: error: syntax error before numeric constant |
| 04:24.55 | Mouette | interrupt.c: In function `bu_restore_signal': |
| 04:24.56 | Mouette | interrupt.c:147: error: `sig_t' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 04:24.58 | Mouette | interrupt.c:147: error: syntax error before "ret" |
| 04:24.59 | Mouette | interrupt.c:149: warning: comparison between pointer and integer |
| 04:25.01 | Mouette | interrupt.c:154: error: `ret' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 04:25.02 | Mouette | interrupt.c:154: warning: passing arg 2 of `signal' makes pointer from integer without a cast |
| 04:25.04 | Mouette | interrupt.c:155: error: syntax error before numeric constant |
| 04:25.06 | Mouette | sig_t ,solaris hasn't the fonction |
| 04:25.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33716 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS README include/conf/PATCH): source release 7.14.2 is posted, make updates for the next expected revision (7.14.4). |
| 04:30.25 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33717 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: NEWS and README versions for the next release can match for simplicity. only include/conf needs to strictly obey odd revisioning. |
| 04:33.23 | brlcad | Mouette: hm, looks like you're on a non-posix conforming platform |
| 04:33.30 | brlcad | what's the OS/version? |
| 04:33.40 | brlcad | missing sig_t |
| 04:36.29 | brlcad | "might" be able to trick it with: make CPPFLAGS=-D"sig_t=void*" |
| 04:40.05 | brlcad | also, what does signal() return on your platform (man 3 signal) |
| 05:50.35 | Mouette | my OS version is Solaris Express Developer Edition 1/8 |
| 05:50.53 | Mouette | SunOS solaris 5.11 snv_79a i86pc i386 i86pc |
| 05:52.15 | Mouette | in signal manpage: it have these fonction: |
| 05:52.18 | Mouette | signal, sigset, sighold, sigrelse, sigignore, sigpause |
| 05:56.20 | Ralith | solaris 5? |
| 05:56.27 | Ralith | isn't that incredibly old? |
| 05:59.18 | Mouette | it's solaris 11, solaris 11 = SunOS 5.11 |
| 05:59.28 | Mouette | Solaris 10 = Sun |
| 05:59.36 | Mouette | SunOS 5.10 |
| 06:03.50 | Ralith | oh |
| 06:03.55 | Ralith | that's weird. |
| 08:10.06 | Mouette | kill.c: In function `bu_terminate': |
| 08:10.07 | Mouette | kill.c:59: error: `HANDLE' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 08:10.09 | Mouette | kill.c:59: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 08:10.10 | Mouette | kill.c:59: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 08:10.12 | Mouette | kill.c:59: error: syntax error before "hProcess" |
| 08:10.14 | Mouette | kill.c:60: error: `hProcess' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 08:10.15 | Mouette | make: *** [kill.lo] Error |
| 08:10.35 | Mouette | these fonctions are brlcad's fonctions? |
| 08:11.29 | Mouette | in src/libbu/kill.c |
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| 11:03.22 | d-lo | yawns |
| 11:03.26 | d-lo | Mernin |
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| 12:52.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33718 10/rt^3/trunk/ (40 files in 10 dirs): Organizational changes to tidy up the dir structure a bit. |
| 13:27.40 | d-lo | ``Erik__: Hey, if you are in today,I would like to work on getting those X11 dev headers installed. |
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| 13:51.50 | d-lo | brlcad: what is the cmd line arg for disabling the x11 build part of brlcad? |
| 14:01.23 | brlcad | should just be --without-x11 but it is rarely a tested configuration so it might need some minor manual massaging, ./configure --help and the INSTALL file document in more detail |
| 14:03.19 | d-lo | okie. I will mess with it. |
| 14:54.22 | d-lo | Hrm, libdm seems to be the culprit. even with --without-X11 its still whining about needing X11/Xlib.h :/ |
| 14:55.21 | _sushi_ | d-lo: --without-X11/Xlib.h? |
| 14:55.41 | _sushi_ | d-lo: or try su -; touch /usr/include/C11/Xlib.h ;-) |
| 14:57.22 | d-lo | well, a) thats not a valid package :P and B) I don't have su or root privs on this machine :/ |
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| 17:22.24 | starseeker | wants Macvim |
| 17:33.37 | d-lo | brlcad: So... how much *does* the top weigh? :D |
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| 18:15.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33719 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/mged.tcl: Make mged.tcl's logic and naming a bit more generic, so it can be re-used more easily for other commands |
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| 21:49.46 | starseeker | brlcad: Is there any standard way to run tclsh from within the build process, e.g. ${TCLSH} as opposed to ${SH}? |
| 21:51.41 | starseeker | heads for gym |
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| 22:02.39 | starseeker | brlcad: nevermind, found it |
| 22:02.42 | starseeker | really heads for gym |
| 22:04.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33722 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/mged.tcl: remove individual clone test |
| 22:05.33 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33723 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac regress/Makefile.am regress/mged/Makefile.am): Test adding the tcl based regression logic to the build system. |
| 22:55.56 | yukonbob | starseeker: what's the answer? |
| 23:17.21 | brlcad | starseeker: can you give mged (gui) a test -- report that it is accepting no commands on the command-line when it starts up until a database is opened |
| 23:17.26 | brlcad | not even bad ones |
| 00:04.36 | brlcad | starseeker: just caught one of the first commits from today -- the *_LIBRARY_PATH foo you're using won't work |
| 00:04.53 | starseeker | hmm. OK |
| 00:04.56 | brlcad | those are read by the linker before/while a binary is being loaded |
| 00:05.18 | starseeker | was basing it off the sh scripts |
| 00:05.28 | brlcad | if you're running the tclsh that got you to those set env()'s then you're not on a platform/environment that needed them set in the first place |
| 00:05.39 | brlcad | yep, they set it *before* the binary is called |
| 00:05.57 | starseeker | I thought I was too |
| 00:06.00 | starseeker | looks again |
| 00:06.15 | brlcad | I'm looking at tcl code.. |
| 00:06.23 | brlcad | if it's running tcl code, then it doesn't matter |
| 00:06.32 | starseeker | oh, point |
| 00:06.33 | brlcad | because tclsh is running |
| 00:06.36 | starseeker | k |
| 00:06.44 | brlcad | ld is done with its job |
| 00:07.09 | brlcad | there is an old hack you can use, though -- a script that doubles as both a shell and tcl script -- old trick |
| 00:08.06 | brlcad | look at src/tclscripts/ami.tcl to see an example -- it's a shell script that can be invoked as either a shell script or a tcl script |
| 00:08.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33724 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/mged.tcl: Remove env logic - won't work inside tclsh |
| 00:08.28 | brlcad | actually better example |
| 00:08.33 | brlcad | look at src/archer/archer |
| 00:08.42 | brlcad | that even sets env vars and reinvokes |
| 00:09.40 | brlcad | the "trick" is because tcl and sh handle line-comments differently, with sh ignoring comment continuations and tcl not ignoring them |
| 00:10.54 | starseeker | blast - I was hoping staying completely within tcl land would avoid the need for shell scripting, and let us run these on Windows |
| 00:11.37 | brlcad | it would run on windows |
| 00:11.56 | brlcad | they work as tcl scripts -- and on windows you're not going to have an LD error |
| 00:12.09 | starseeker | ah |
| 00:12.20 | brlcad | fed through tclsh, it'll ignore the shell lines |
| 00:13.19 | brlcad | for the nix platforms, they can either be fed through sh (which will read the sh lines, set *_LIBRARY_PATH accordingly, and then reinvoke as tcl) or push the LD wrapping back up into make (like src/tclscripts/Makefile.am does for ami.tcl) |
| 00:13.46 | starseeker | Hmm. What's the preferred way? |
| 00:14.15 | brlcad | probably to push it up into the Makefile.am |
| 00:14.22 | brlcad | keeps the scripts more simple like you have them |
| 00:14.28 | brlcad | rather, even more so |
| 00:15.12 | brlcad | if it really gets messier than the three lines it takes now, you could wrap the whole thing in a script anyways |
| 00:15.42 | starseeker | nods |
| 00:15.54 | starseeker | I'll give the Makefile.am way a quick go |
| 00:16.43 | brlcad | see if mged works for you though .. don't have a clean build here, but if that's a prevalent bug, that'd require an emergency fix and release of 7.14.6 |
| 00:17.58 | starseeker | let me check |
| 00:18.26 | starseeker | what command is it accepting? |
| 00:18.33 | brlcad | anything and everything |
| 00:18.36 | brlcad | sdlfakjhsdlkj |
| 00:18.53 | starseeker | yeah - I don't know if it's doing anything with them but it is accepting them |
| 00:19.20 | brlcad | nope, nothing works afaict |
| 00:19.22 | starseeker | I take it it should be flashing the error about no db being open? |
| 00:19.23 | brlcad | opendb test.g |
| 00:19.33 | brlcad | every command fails |
| 00:19.39 | starseeker | same here |
| 00:19.40 | brlcad | rather .. does nothing |
| 00:19.51 | brlcad | okay, that's pretty critical |
| 00:20.04 | starseeker | hrm - libged related? |
| 00:20.23 | brlcad | don't know but highly possible |
| 00:20.30 | starseeker | oh great |
| 00:20.44 | starseeker | starts digging in src/mged |
| 00:21.08 | brlcad | pulls the source uploads |
| 00:24.48 | brlcad | arf, have to do a 7.14.4 as soon as that's fixed |
| 00:32.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33725 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/Makefile.am: Move the path logic to Makefile.am where it will actually work (thanks Sean) |
| 00:36.53 | starseeker | hmm - ged_refresh_handler calls refresh... |
| 00:40.53 | starseeker | OK, it never gets as far as calling f_quit when I type quit, so its messed up before that... |
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| 00:51.26 | starseeker | brlcad: Ick - this is one of those right on the border between Tcl and C |
| 00:51.36 | starseeker | it's getting to refresh |
| 00:51.57 | andrecastelo | howdy :D |
| 00:52.19 | starseeker | howdy :-) |
| 01:22.08 | starseeker | brlcad: right now, my best guess is that it has something to do with gedp->ged_gdp->gd_rtCmdNotify being set to mged_rtCmdNotify when a file is loaded, but not without a file loaded (since gedp doesn't point to a structure) |
| 01:31.59 | starseeker | If I do the naive thing and initialize a ged struct with a pointer to NULL, it starts up in classic mode and doesn't correctly handle anything. |
| 01:32.29 | starseeker | perhaps ged has some sort of built in assumption about a database being open before processing commands? |
| 01:34.01 | starseeker | in src/mged/mged.c lines 657-680 is where mged_rtCmdNotify is being assigned |
| 01:34.16 | starseeker | or not assigned, as the case may be |
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| 02:57.45 | Mouette | so,these problems still haven't solution in solaris platform? |
| 03:06.43 | Mouette | 7.14.2 sourcecode in sourceforge.net is disappear!!!! @@ |
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| 03:54.04 | starseeker | Mouette: We found a problem that needs fixing |
| 03:56.52 | Mouette | so you delete that sourcecode? |
| 03:57.04 | starseeker | brlcad took it down, I believe |
| 03:57.20 | starseeker | you can still get the source code from svn, if you want it - but it's busted right now |
| 03:57.54 | Mouette | no, i like wait stable version |
| 04:00.02 | brlcad | Mouette: I disabled it, though I believe the direct link is still valid if you had it -- there's a problem with it so it was disabled |
| 04:02.35 | brlcad | starseeker: I've not looked, but the problem almost guaranteed has something to do with the ged command wrapper in mged |
| 04:02.53 | starseeker | I emailed Bob |
| 04:03.09 | starseeker | needs to get some sleep tonight, but he may be able to spot it right off tomoroww morning |
| 04:03.21 | starseeker | can't spell |
| 04:04.11 | brlcad | bets it's cmd.c:351 |
| 04:05.00 | starseeker | that could be it |
| 04:05.31 | starseeker | wonders why he didn't notice that in the gdb back trace for the case with a file loaded |
| 04:05.37 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:05.47 | brlcad | gedp is only set during f_opendb |
| 04:05.51 | brlcad | that's not right |
| 04:41.31 | brlcad | now the other question is how classic mode works but graphical doesn't |
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| 06:25.09 | brlcad | closes up gdb for the night only fixing the one bug but not very well |
| 06:26.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33726 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (mged.c setup.c): gedp needs to be non-null. it should exist for the life of the caller making libged calls. move ged init into mged_setup but keep the wdbp association else all goes to hell. |
| 06:29.10 | brlcad | that seemds to do the trick here, but I'm sure there's more to it |
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| 11:05.58 | d-lo | Morning all! |
| 11:06.21 | brlcad | yawns |
| 11:07.45 | d-lo | just waking or getting ready to crash? |
| 11:07.55 | d-lo | or do I already know the answer :) |
| 11:08.37 | d-lo | just FYI: /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/X11/lib/libX11.so when searching for -lX11 |
| 11:08.50 | d-lo | so I think I will talk with Brian today :/ |
| 11:09.06 | brlcad | what type is it? |
| 11:09.31 | d-lo | What type is what? The X11 lib? |
| 11:09.35 | brlcad | yep |
| 11:09.54 | brlcad | if it's incompatible, you can often make it compatible |
| 11:10.00 | d-lo | I get that linker error for both the .so and the .a |
| 11:10.04 | brlcad | sure |
| 11:10.24 | brlcad | it's the 'why' it's incompatible that matters |
| 11:10.34 | d-lo | I am going to try a few more things. I just noticed the path is getting the libs from /lib/ and not /lib64/ |
| 11:10.46 | d-lo | How can I find out the 'why' ? |
| 11:11.04 | brlcad | don't guess, just run "file" on it -- it'll tell you its type, then run file on one of your .o files to see what type you're building |
| 11:12.06 | d-lo | run file on one of the .o's generated during the brlcad build? |
| 11:12.19 | brlcad | you have others? :) |
| 11:12.34 | d-lo | :) Just verifying info when I am in uncharted waters :) |
| 11:12.49 | d-lo | apologizes for abnoxious q's :) |
| 11:13.45 | brlcad | is usually sarcastic, bitter, and brief in the unintended early prelight hours |
| 11:14.46 | d-lo | well, the build is hanging up in: brlcad/src/other/tk/unix/ and so i picked the last .o generated: tkUnixXId.o: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 11:15.02 | d-lo | ....and that tells me that I am building a 64-bit version? |
| 11:19.45 | brlcad | it tells you a lot of things, one being that it's building 64-bit version |
| 11:20.18 | brlcad | more importantly, what is the .so's type |
| 11:21.06 | brlcad | also important is whether it was incompatible, skipped, and it simply used something else (that was compatible) or whether it skipped and linked nothing/failed |
| 11:21.21 | brlcad | the message by itself could be innocuous |
| 11:21.42 | d-lo | the .so files are not generated yet. |
| 11:21.51 | d-lo | or are you speaking of the .so of the X11 libs |
| 11:21.52 | d-lo | ? |
| 11:21.53 | brlcad | o.O |
| 11:22.08 | brlcad | i'm speaking of the .so that is supposedly .. incompatible |
| 11:23.04 | brlcad | the point is you compare types to see why it's incompatible |
| 11:23.14 | brlcad | if it's a simple 32/64, you can do something about that |
| 11:23.51 | d-lo | Yeah, its saying its a 32bit lib. |
| 11:24.43 | d-lo | Hrm, configure is showing both -L/usr/X11/lib and -L/usr/X11/lib64 for linker flags |
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| 11:26.28 | brlcad | hence my other point |
| 11:26.43 | brlcad | rather important is whether it was incompatible, skipped, and it simply used something else (that was compatible) or whether it skipped and linked nothing/failed |
| 11:27.25 | d-lo | Well I have tried ./configure --with-x11=/usr/X11/lib64 (and a few other variants) with no change :/ |
| 11:28.35 | brlcad | but have you confirmed that you need to change it? |
| 11:28.46 | d-lo | Okay, more info: |
| 11:28.58 | brlcad | given both dirs are listed, the incompatible statement probably doesn't matter |
| 11:29.11 | d-lo | When I simply ./configure, I get a LD error stating it cannot find -lX11 |
| 11:29.39 | d-lo | When I ./configure --with-x11=/usr/X11 then I get the incompatable error. |
| 11:29.59 | d-lo | So I know i need to point the configure to the 64 bit flavor of X11, but I am not succeeding. |
| 11:30.13 | brlcad | do you even *have* a 64-bit flavor of X11 |
| 11:30.57 | d-lo | yep: libX11.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 11:31.21 | d-lo | after you tossed me the 'file' bone, I went and verified the files in the /usr/X11/lib64 dir |
| 11:31.36 | d-lo | so its there, but the pathing is somehow messed up :/ |
| 11:31.47 | brlcad | so then it's just path foo missing |
| 11:32.13 | brlcad | try --enable-64bit, if that doesn't work try setting flags directly yourself |
| 11:32.28 | d-lo | i add that -- to the ./configure? |
| 11:32.29 | brlcad | ./configure LDFLAGS="..." CPPFLAGS="..." CFLAGS=".." |
| 11:32.33 | brlcad | yep |
| 11:32.52 | brlcad | iirc, that may swap the search ordering |
| 11:32.58 | brlcad | but no promises |
| 11:33.05 | d-lo | heh. |
| 11:33.09 | brlcad | it's just as easy to force it manually |
| 11:33.18 | d-lo | make |
| 11:33.24 | d-lo | damn, wrong window. |
| 11:34.33 | d-lo | nope same thing... lemme try setting the LDFLAGS manually. |
| 11:34.38 | d-lo | Thanks for your help btw. |
| 11:36.03 | brlcad | fyi, if you have both, there's not much for brian to do -- you have everything you need |
| 11:36.56 | d-lo | i figured. email not sent yet. |
| 11:39.41 | d-lo | Hrm, well thats annoying. I used ./configure LDFLAGS="blahhblah" and it just appened all the previous flags to the end of what I supplied.... so /usr/X11/lib is still there :/ |
| 11:40.09 | brlcad | ordering matters |
| 11:40.24 | brlcad | doesn't matter if there are extras if it finds the one you need first |
| 11:40.56 | d-lo | is beginning to see what starseeker and others scream about sometimes :) |
| 11:41.22 | brlcad | newbies |
| 11:41.35 | d-lo | Hey! I resemble that remark. |
| 11:43.10 | brlcad | understanding linkage and search paths in detail is usually something hammered in hard in a first-year cs program |
| 11:43.19 | d-lo | are there adverse effects to using make -j ? |
| 11:43.22 | brlcad | at least it used to be |
| 11:43.33 | brlcad | d-lo: yes, it compiles adversely faster |
| 11:43.44 | brlcad | on smp hardware |
| 11:44.55 | d-lo | :P I knew that, just wanted to know if it f-ed up the build in any way. |
| 11:45.28 | brlcad | wouldn't be a very useful option if it did |
| 11:46.20 | d-lo | true, but there is enough nuainces to this whole 'make' thing that its a perfectly valid question/concern :P |
| 11:46.47 | brlcad | only with your current uncertain state of reasoning |
| 11:48.10 | d-lo | ./configure LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11/lib64" nor ./configure LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11/lib64" --with-x11=/usr/X11 works... still same errors :? |
| 11:48.13 | brlcad | there are certainly potential effects, as with any option, but nothing that matters right now that you'd run into |
| 11:49.05 | brlcad | look at the actual test in the config.log and see why |
| 11:49.46 | brlcad | could be not using it or something else overriding it or wrong order or missing some other flag or ... |
| 11:50.29 | d-lo | okay, one sec. |
| 11:51.06 | brlcad | could also move the 32bit lib out of the way |
| 11:51.27 | brlcad | but wouldn't do that until you know what all usses it |
| 11:51.46 | brlcad | wanders off for a bit, have fun |
| 11:52.06 | d-lo | lata! |
| 12:05.16 | d-lo | brlcad: I know you are away, but are we still using Doxygen? We moving to something else? |
| 12:12.07 | louipc | I took first year CS 7yrs ago. We learned java. I made a tic tac toe game with the swing toolkit woo. |
| 12:15.08 | starseeker | d-lo: We're still set up to use Doxygen, but I don't know if anyone has played with it lately |
| 12:15.30 | starseeker | we need to do a lot of work on "doxygenifying" things, IIRC |
| 12:15.35 | d-lo | starseeker: Whats the code documentation of choice now? (Or is there?) |
| 12:19.41 | d-lo | starseeker: Docbook is for.... the tutorials and such? |
| 12:21.35 | louipc | docbook is for documenting libraries and such |
| 12:21.59 | louipc | errm not |
| 12:22.06 | louipc | d-lo: you got it :D |
| 12:22.29 | louipc | I just woke up |
| 12:24.02 | d-lo | alrighty then, thanks :) |
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| 12:35.58 | brlquestions | Hi again ! |
| 12:36.19 | louipc | hi |
| 12:36.22 | brlquestions | hi louipc |
| 12:36.33 | brlquestions | I have one question ... |
| 12:36.50 | brlquestions | the g-stl conversor is very slow ... is it normal ? |
| 12:37.15 | louipc | I don't know |
| 12:37.45 | d-lo | g-stl uses the facetiation/tessilation routines and, yes, can be *very slow* |
| 12:37.55 | brlquestions | OK ... thank you d-lo |
| 12:38.13 | brlquestions | I was wondering if there was some pathological operation in my model ... |
| 12:38.25 | d-lo | there have been times where I have fired off a tessilation just before I leave work for the day, so it would be done by the time I get in the next day. |
| 12:38.48 | louipc | is it slower than raytracing? |
| 12:38.55 | d-lo | but these models I speak of are 75-100MB files with tens of thousands of primitives. |
| 12:39.23 | d-lo | louipc: all depends on the complexity of the object(s) you are facetizing. |
| 12:39.29 | brlquestions | No ... I'm talking about 20 minutes for one bezier solid extrusion intersected with a spherical shell |
| 12:39.36 | louipc | ok |
| 12:39.39 | d-lo | gennerally though, raytracing is much much faster. |
| 12:40.43 | d-lo | brlcad: I have only delt with an extrusion *once* in the past 3 years of modeling and then it was for hobby purposes only. I never tried to shove it through a tessilator. |
| 12:41.00 | brlquestions | OK ... thanks ! |
| 12:41.05 | d-lo | Oops, that was ment for brlquestions not brlcad ;) |
| 12:41.10 | d-lo | brlq |
| 12:41.26 | d-lo | brlquestions: If it finishes succesfully, I would like to know the time it took! |
| 12:41.46 | brlquestions | about 20 minutes with a cylindrical shell ... |
| 12:42.00 | louipc | pix or it didn't happen |
| 12:42.00 | brlquestions | the spherical one is running now ! |
| 12:42.08 | d-lo | louipc: lol |
| 12:42.37 | d-lo | brlquestions: how was the quality of the resulting BoT? |
| 12:43.10 | brlquestions | I think it was good ... but anyway I need a spherical shell intersection prior |
| 12:43.15 | brlquestions | to laser sintering it ... |
| 12:45.33 | brlquestions | my boss only wants to perform expensive experiments (sinterizing) only on models closer to final products. |
| 12:45.47 | brlquestions | No cylinders ... spheres !!! |
| 12:46.24 | louipc | sounds neat |
| 12:48.23 | brlquestions | OK ... the tesellation finished right now ! 24 minutes ! |
| 12:48.28 | brlquestions | good results ! |
| 12:53.09 | d-lo | ah, its nice to see all 4 cores at 100% :) |
| 12:54.29 | d-lo | brlcad: I think I found an issue with the Makefiles. in at least two Make files, the LDFLAG of -L/usr/X11/lib64 is being changed to -L/usr/lib64 ... dunno why quite yet |
| 12:55.38 | brlquestions | check your mail d-lo ! |
| 12:55.48 | brlquestions | there's a screen capture of the BoT .. |
| 12:58.53 | d-lo | lookin good! |
| 13:34.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33727 10/rt^3/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Forgot to svn add the GeometryChunk.h file. Also includes a few minor fixes a new Exception subclass. |
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| 13:56.08 | d-lo | anyone: Shouldn't 'make install' copy the includes/ dir over? I am looking for bu.h and it just isn't there... libbu.so is, but not the header.... |
| 13:57.50 | louipc | yeah it should |
| 13:58.11 | d-lo | glares at this evil machine. |
| 13:58.33 | d-lo | More than likely operator error, but for now I blame the machine. |
| 14:00.10 | louipc | :D |
| 14:03.51 | d-lo | a ha. workeded that time. |
| 14:03.56 | d-lo | glares at this evil machine. |
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| 15:27.56 | ``Erik___ | yes, it should go ito $PREFIX/include/ |
| 15:31.03 | brlcad | $prefix/include/brlcad |
| 15:31.20 | brlcad | for the brlcad headers and top-level include for the external dep headers |
| 15:31.59 | d-lo | something went foobar with the first time 'round. removed it and tried again and it worked. |
| 15:32.54 | d-lo | Oddness is that in 2 Makefiles in the tk dirs, the LDFLAG for the X11 was changed from /usr/X11/lib64 to /usr/lib64 .... |
| 15:33.30 | d-lo | quick change back and it was compiling just fine.. |
| 15:34.22 | d-lo | ``Erik: How ya feelin? |
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| 15:44.19 | ``Erik | underground |
| 15:46.16 | starseeker | ``Erik: hiding? |
| 15:46.31 | d-lo | Well I just got the call from my oldest's school... apperantly he blew chunks all over the playground..... Just when i thought we had this bug beat.... |
| 15:46.44 | starseeker | arrgh |
| 15:46.56 | _sushi_ | blew chunks all over the playground? |
| 15:47.15 | d-lo | vomit |
| 15:49.27 | ``Erik | I assume the whif is collecing thim? |
| 15:49.33 | ``Erik | s/ t/ / |
| 15:50.01 | ``Erik | hope is recoups soon :( |
| 15:50.08 | ``Erik | s/is/he/ |
| 15:50.21 | _sushi_ | d-lo: what bug? |
| 15:50.22 | ``Erik | keyboard is outsmarting me today |
| 15:50.27 | d-lo | Yuppers. just got a little concerned with that call and you not being here either.... might be a trend and I don't want to burn any more sick leave :/ |
| 15:50.46 | d-lo | _sushi_: Stomach flu probably. |
| 15:50.59 | ``Erik | no, I drank myself fucktarded last night and am recouping |
| 15:51.14 | ``Erik | <-- epic fail. |
| 15:51.27 | starseeker | what'd you do that for??? |
| 15:51.33 | d-lo | ah, okay, well then perhaps its not another epidemic :/ |
| 15:51.38 | ``Erik | uh, same reason folk climb everest |
| 15:51.56 | ``Erik | one tequlia two tequila three tequila floor :) |
| 15:52.06 | starseeker | shakes head |
| 15:52.13 | d-lo | Playing MMOs while heavily intoxicated is a whole new level of entertainment. |
| 15:52.18 | ``Erik | oh yeah |
| 15:52.32 | ``Erik | punker recounted last nights mmo episode to me |
| 15:52.36 | starseeker | you might want to pick a somewhat less physically damaging pointless challenge ;-) |
| 15:52.36 | ``Erik | I was in rare form :D |
| 15:53.10 | d-lo | there is nothing worse than an 'angry drunk' Dwarf at the bar.... man they can be A-holes. |
| 15:53.12 | ``Erik | apparently, I am very giving and loving when fucked up |
| 15:53.30 | starseeker | wow, you WERE smashed ;-) |
| 15:53.40 | ``Erik | "no, I don't need loot, I'm happy with the experience... dude, you wanna go grab a beer? come on down to baltirmoe, man" |
| 15:54.05 | d-lo | lol |
| 15:54.42 | d-lo | loots a *glowing* Pint of Guiness + 4 |
| 15:54.56 | ``Erik | so yeah, I felt the notion of driving this morning would have been ... bad :) |
| 15:55.57 | d-lo | good call. |
| 15:56.09 | ``Erik | amusingly, I've done some of my best coding either drunk off my arse, or right after my wisdom teeth, one shattered so they gave me a codeine cocktail, I was wobbling in my chair but knocked out a buttload of code |
| 15:56.19 | d-lo | gives you a chance to go farming and make up for the income loss that occurred last night :) |
| 15:56.32 | ``Erik | meh, I got money out the butt on that game |
| 15:56.57 | ``Erik | as usual, the upgrade are strictly from places I'm not geared to go. |
| 15:57.10 | d-lo | didn't need to know what ``Erik did with his money while drunk.... |
| 15:57.21 | ``Erik | they went all donation and gave me luvin' last night, and I went and liquored myself up stupid to fuck shit up |
| 15:57.41 | ``Erik | <-- pissed at himself |
| 15:58.06 | d-lo | No Leeroy then? More Erik Teresa that normal? :D |
| 15:58.24 | ``Erik | heh, no, I don't leroy, I go all pussyfood |
| 15:58.27 | ``Erik | foot |
| 15:58.41 | ``Erik | "wait, what? did you guys pull? I LOVE YOU MANG" |
| 15:59.16 | d-lo | Personnally, I think suicidal raids on zones with naked toons is funny. |
| 15:59.26 | ``Erik | "I don't need loot, I'm just happy I'm here" |
| 15:59.34 | d-lo | Both to watch and participate in. |
| 15:59.47 | ``Erik | heh, that's become a tradition, everyone groups up at the instance start and the tank is standing there butt nekkid |
| 15:59.50 | d-lo | lol, just Lovin Life eh? |
| 16:00.46 | d-lo | once I get my lappy back to some resemblance of useful, I will install wine and see if I can get some games runnin :) |
| 16:00.57 | ``Erik | and I've participated in full group nekkid runs through instances (the notion being we die, we die a lot, we're trying to eliminate the repair cost) |
| 16:01.14 | ``Erik | just buy yourself a mac, man :D |
| 16:01.23 | ``Erik | e-humps steve jobs leg |
| 16:01.32 | d-lo | has a better idea: You buy me a Mac! |
| 16:01.41 | d-lo | lol |
| 16:01.43 | d-lo | down boy |
| 16:02.23 | ``Erik | if'n yall want a long lunch, I'll come down to duclaws or festival or something |
| 16:02.32 | d-lo | You don't happen to know if OSX has been sucessfully installed/ran on non Apple hardware... do ya? |
| 16:02.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33729 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/samples/GetRegionMap.java: Eliminated use of java 6 specifics, because this is now used in gomez (needs to be java 5 compatible) |
| 16:03.05 | ``Erik | um, there was a system that apple sued out of existance that did it |
| 16:03.21 | d-lo | well, i was talking more 'hack' that legit. |
| 16:03.23 | ``Erik | and um, there was just an article on how to do it on smackslot a couple days ago |
| 16:03.56 | d-lo | thinks running OSX on a Dell would be funny :) |
| 16:04.00 | ``Erik | franky, apple puts out some damn nice hardware, I think it's worth the premium |
| 16:04.12 | d-lo | agrees. |
| 16:04.26 | d-lo | but worth it or not, new puter hardware is not in the budget. |
| 16:04.29 | ``Erik | I'm a bit pissed that I can't find teh white&clear keyboard anymore |
| 16:05.01 | d-lo | lol.... Hackintosh OSX |
| 16:05.56 | ``Erik | the new style keyboard is awfully well built, but lacks |
| 16:06.27 | ``Erik | <-- hugs his macbook, but admits that it's not egonomeric |
| 16:07.05 | d-lo | in the words of the unknown Apple FanBoi: "sure, its not ergonmic or cheap, but its an Apple!" |
| 16:07.22 | ``Erik | yeah, pretty much |
| 16:07.25 | d-lo | can't remember where he heard that, but it made him ill. |
| 16:07.34 | d-lo | i felt like smacking that guy. |
| 16:07.43 | ``Erik | at least it still has nipples |
| 16:08.21 | ``Erik | though when they moved them from the middle fingers to the pointers, that pissed me off |
| 16:08.35 | ``Erik | they belong on d and k, not f and j, damnit |
| 16:08.49 | ``Erik | shakes cane |
| 16:09.00 | d-lo | lol |
| 16:09.13 | d-lo | so, where are these lunch places in which you speak? |
| 16:09.29 | ``Erik | duclaws is kinda close to the harford mall |
| 16:09.34 | ``Erik | festival is down 24 |
| 16:09.52 | ``Erik | they're generally considered "too far away" for lunch |
| 16:10.39 | ``Erik | 2+ hour dealies |
| 16:10.48 | d-lo | ah, well never mind then :/ |
| 16:10.51 | ``Erik | but I wont' drive an hour to go to lunch :) |
| 16:11.31 | ``Erik | yeah, I assumed *shrug* |
| 16:12.26 | ``Erik | duclaws is a microbrewery, so not up your alley anways |
| 16:12.35 | d-lo | heh, I really do think I am going to try this Hackentosh approach ;) |
| 16:12.36 | ``Erik | festival has a japanese place that isn't too bad |
| 16:13.15 | ``Erik | totally, the killer is gonna be the bios crap, macs used to use openfirmware and are now like epi or something |
| 16:13.41 | ``Erik | so you'll need 10.5 and the right hw |
| 16:14.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... can be done with qemu... is a lot of work, and requires just the right hardware to avoid some /serious/ driver issues |
| 16:15.40 | d-lo | need to aquire 10.5 for some testing ;) |
| 16:15.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I would say not worth it in all but the most unique circumstances (must run x software on y hardware, cannot afford correct solution) |
| 16:16.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | convince someone to give you shell access to their machine |
| 16:16.37 | d-lo | you lost me... |
| 16:17.06 | d-lo | why would I need shell access to someone else's machine? |
| 16:17.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | find someont with 10.5 and get them to let you have some time on their HW |
| 16:17.39 | d-lo | for what purpose? |
| 16:18.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | [20090210 08:15:42] <d-lo> need to aquire 10.5 for some testing ;) |
| 16:18.58 | d-lo | heh, I mend the disc(s) for installation testing. |
| 16:19.06 | d-lo | s/mend/meant/ |
| 16:20.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | why the need for installation testing? it will work on real HW, fail on most everything else (BIOS checksum, or other scheme to lock you out) |
| 16:20.56 | d-lo | I have a Dell lappy, and I want to see if i can get OS10.5 running on it :) |
| 16:21.31 | ``Erik | just grab fbsd :D or linux, y'know, if you're lame |
| 16:21.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | clears throat |
| 16:21.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | loudly |
| 16:22.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | then chants "gentoo, gentoo!" |
| 16:22.16 | ``Erik | sorry, done too much kernel work, can't respect leenewx no mo' |
| 16:22.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's you, man |
| 16:22.52 | ``Erik | yes, that is me |
| 16:23.02 | d-lo | i was wondering who that was... |
| 16:23.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I have converted from winedo$e in 96, and never looked back |
| 16:23.49 | ``Erik | I went to linux in '95, fbsd in '97 or '98, after witnessing the horrors from kernel hacking |
| 16:23.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tried bsd in 98 or so, not impressed, went back to slackware |
| 16:24.04 | ``Erik | been a kernel hacker of some form or another since '86 |
| 16:24.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, back then, fbsd was a much better kernel |
| 16:24.28 | ``Erik | interrupt vectors on c64's, yo |
| 16:24.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ! |
| 16:24.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I had one... |
| 16:24.59 | d-lo | You don't know the power of the Vic-20 .... |
| 16:25.07 | ``Erik | been watching, linux has spastic upgrades, but often throws them away and adopts what fbsd did 5 years before |
| 16:25.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sold it to that chick that reverse engineered it and made one in FPGAs |
| 16:25.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they were popular in Germany, I am told |
| 16:25.57 | ``Erik | in the last decade, I've seen ONE significant linux accomplishment adopted into fbsd. One. |
| 16:25.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, i don't know the power of vic-20 |
| 16:26.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok |
| 16:26.29 | ``Erik | the zero copy network shit, which was re-organized like mad due to security concerns :D |
| 16:26.50 | ``Erik | though ingo's scheduler got some attention |
| 16:26.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still not switching, too much infrastructure in place, time learning, also i like the performance i get |
| 16:26.57 | d-lo | way out int he middle of the AZ desert.. I was l33t with my cassette drive... my parents pheared me. |
| 16:27.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... until global warming melted your tape |
| 16:27.21 | ``Erik | hehehhe, I was buying the 120 minute cassettes to hold more data :D |
| 16:27.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... wait, that was just an ordinary day in may |
| 16:27.37 | d-lo | I think I ended up taking the whole machine out for target practice one day... |
| 16:27.48 | ``Erik | yes, they failed sooner, and had a higher doa, but when they worked, it was sweet |
| 16:28.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | anyone ever use a 2.88 mB 3.5" floppy? |
| 16:28.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | WORM? |
| 16:28.40 | d-lo | yeah, the 'super-HD'floppies. |
| 16:28.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | or ls-120 super disk |
| 16:28.58 | d-lo | never messed with them much.... jumped straight to 'SuperDisk' ! |
| 16:28.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | from panasonic |
| 16:29.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 16:29.27 | d-lo | I was on the iOmega Zip Disk bandwagon for a while... |
| 16:30.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | until wheels fell off..."read error !@#$&$%T#$..." |
| 16:30.13 | d-lo | yeah, that was a waste of money. |
| 16:30.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | SD cards, that's the way to go. or CF |
| 16:30.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | a great backup solution, they are |
| 16:31.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 32 gig CF, get 2 of them to B/U system on rotating basis |
| 16:32.05 | d-lo | heh, um, I have 2 500GB drives, 1 160 and a handfull of 80's.... won't work for me :/ |
| 16:32.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's all? |
| 16:32.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I have lot's more, but everything else is on RAID |
| 16:33.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | with (ahem) gentoo, all of my packages are tarred and bzipped in a certain dir, and that is not much data |
| 16:34.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | add that to a tar file of my etc dir and boot dir, and that is a good backup |
| 16:34.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | crap! gotta go to class |
| 16:34.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | have fun, kids |
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| 16:34.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33730 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (run_test run_test.tcl): Take a stab at getting a run_test sh script/tcl script hybrid |
| 16:35.47 | d-lo | and you can back 1.5TB+ up on 2 32Gig CF cards with Gentoo? Thats Frickin amazing!!!!!! :P |
| 16:40.06 | d-lo | well, without furthing any HardDrive envy that is floating around here, the 1TB (ish) i have is a pain in the butt to back up to CDs as it is, so using CF cards would make me want to gouge my own eyes out. |
| 16:40.10 | d-lo | ;) |
| 16:44.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33731 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/run_test: Go for a system tclsh if the local btclsh isn't found - for this it won't matter. |
| 16:46.16 | brlcad | starseeker: if you're not mid-stream, distcheck |
| 16:47.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33732 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/run_test: Allow user to supply source directory as second option |
| 16:47.50 | starseeker | brlcad: Ok, I'm sure I'm busted on that ;-) |
| 16:48.07 | starseeker | you're happy with the mged fix for the no-db case? |
| 16:48.26 | d-lo | brlcad: In looking through libpkg, i am thinking it is posible to use libpkg with out passing a callback table to a pkg_conn .....that sound about right? |
| 16:52.05 | d-lo | brlcad: Message from Ed: Call him at x6300. |
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| 17:20.37 | starseeker | prods CIA |
| 17:23.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33733 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/Makefile.am: It's run_test now |
| 17:34.41 | d-lo | brlcad: I will need to sitdown and talk libpkg with you... I am just not seeing the light :/ |
| 17:38.12 | starseeker | brlcad: make distcheck passed on the Mac |
| 18:30.16 | starseeker | and on linux |
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| 19:55.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33734 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (11 files): Add the geometry displaying commands to regress/mged/mged.tcl |
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| 20:56.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33735 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/gtools/g_diff.c): fixed g_diff crash reported by lee butler where g_diff crashed with a badmagic error bu_bomb'ing out due to an uninitialized vls. looks like it is possibly related to earlier changes. |
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| 21:41.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33736 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need to fix two more critical bugs before release. File->Open in MGED crashes and the 'gets' command locks it up saying the variable is not defined (or it crashes/freezes). |
| 21:42.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33737 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: see the gets example in its manpage |
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| 22:21.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33738 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (5 files): Start on editing commands. |
| 22:46.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33739 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (Makefile.am oed.mged regression_resources.tcl): add oed testing |
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| 23:04.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33740 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (Makefile.am i.mged keypoint.mged rm.mged): add i, rm and keypoint testing |
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| 23:22.12 | poolio | Howdy all |
| 23:22.15 | poolio | congrats on the release :) |
| 23:37.25 | louipc | oh! I missed that |
| 23:55.01 | brlcad | poolio: not worthy of congrats, escaped with a handful of critical bugs |
| 23:55.05 | brlcad | had to pull it shortly after |
| 23:56.43 | poolio | ah sorry to hear that, is it all worked out yet or is that the reason for the flurry of commits? |
| 23:57.26 | brlcad | nope, just normal flurry |
| 23:57.39 | brlcad | though lot of flurry going into testing as there may be other isses |
| 23:57.58 | brlcad | half of the known ones are worked out, couple to go |
| 23:58.31 | poolio | good luck! I've had a few bugs recently that took a few weeks to work out... |
| 23:58.53 | brlcad | yeah, these shouldn't be too complicated |
| 23:59.02 | brlcad | it's only been a couple days |
| 23:59.13 | brlcad | and three were just discovered today |
| 23:59.25 | brlcad | one already fixed |
| 23:59.33 | brlcad | two to go |
| 23:59.57 | poolio | Were there issues in trunk or were these introduced while tagging and such? |
| 00:00.10 | brlcad | in trunk, just undetected |
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| 00:19.32 | louipc | oh? so the currently hosted 7.14.2 is no good? |
| 00:37.37 | brlcad | depends what you need it for |
| 00:37.42 | brlcad | mged has a variety of problems |
| 00:38.06 | louipc | ah I think you mentioned mged -c works ok though? |
| 00:38.21 | brlcad | yep |
| 00:38.28 | louipc | cool ;) |
| 00:56.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | do you guys want build testing on 33740? |
| 01:00.36 | mafm | night |
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| 01:14.07 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: 33740 is what? |
| 01:15.33 | brlcad | otherwise, sure .. build testing on varied platforms is always good .. especially if you can help fix problems and not just report them ;) |
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| 01:51.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, I do what I can... |
| 01:52.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is the subversion revision |
| 01:54.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | build and test ok on gentoo, amd64, kernel 2.6.28, gcc 4.3.3 |
| 02:28.28 | brlcad | cool |
| 02:29.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | benchmark is good, too |
| 02:30.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tries to figure out how to cram more processors into box. wants to ace benchmark |
| 03:04.44 | starseeker | loves bugs that make his X11 session go wonky |
| 03:05.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is the advantage of having another machine that I can use to ssh in and restart X |
| 03:06.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | too bad that machine broke |
| 03:06.31 | starseeker | brlcad: I lost input when running mged in gdb, but the error reported had to do with string comparison immediately after I selected a .g file in the dialog |
| 03:08.01 | starseeker | happens with or without a db open |
| 03:09.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | starseeker: are you running recent X? |
| 03:09.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | kde? |
| 03:20.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I have the same problem, I believe it is either new X input evdev/keyboard, and/or their interaction with kde. I did some upgrades of xorg, gcc, glibc, binutils, and kde 4.2 about the same time. for some reason, certain bugs in other programs cause this, but the same bugs caused no such instability before. Also, I seem to have lost keyboard for no apparent reason a few times, and regained it once. iow, may not be an mged thing |
| 03:21.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | where was the string comparison happening? |
| 03:28.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | starseeker: I would like to help if I could, gotta restart (bad nvidia driver ...grr) |
| 03:46.27 | starseeker | Dr_Phreakenstein: No, no kde |
| 03:46.34 | starseeker | this is very probably mged |
| 03:47.40 | starseeker | oh |
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| 03:48.37 | starseeker | Dr_Phreakenstein: No, no kde |
| 03:48.46 | starseeker | it's almost certainly an mged issue |
| 03:49.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | perhaps so, but like I said, I started having the same problems right around upgrade time, I believe before kde upgrade, but after xorg, glibc/gcc |
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| 04:00.41 | starseeker | grrrrr |
| 04:08.47 | starseeker | man - how do I debug something like this? |
| 04:09.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tell me how you got there, and I will try to help in whatever way i can |
| 04:09.57 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: you'll have a hard time getting an "ace" benchmark ... :) |
| 04:10.14 | starseeker | open mged 7.14.2 or latest svn, File->Open and select a file |
| 04:10.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 04:10.46 | brlcad | I think current leader is somewhere on the order of 42 million VGRs (projected) iirc |
| 04:10.59 | starseeker | wow |
| 04:11.15 | brlcad | or 12 million, there was a two and it was more than 10 :) |
| 04:11.38 | brlcad | and that was about 2 years ago |
| 04:12.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, i can dream, no? |
| 04:12.54 | brlcad | it is impressive that a deskside workstation SMP is about to eclipse the previous SMP leader (512 CPU Origin 2000) |
| 04:13.22 | brlcad | probably in two years |
| 04:14.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, my machine is 2 years old, and I have 2.4 gHz proc, could put 3 gHz in |
| 04:14.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | att, price dictated 2.4 |
| 04:14.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | starseeker: I crash before I can load anything |
| 04:15.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | however, I can open it with a db (have not tried actually using said db... standby) |
| 04:15.47 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: what's your vgr count? |
| 04:20.04 | brlcad | starseeker: best bet is either putting a break in the main event loop in mged (in mged.c iirc) or resorting to old-skool print statements |
| 04:20.26 | brlcad | if you run mged in gdb via a remote session, you should be able to control it without killing X |
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| 04:27.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, I can start with open db, then go to open another, get segfault. investigating. did not lose X, although (unrelated) transparency is missing. 3d window was flakey. gotta look at my end |
| 04:27.57 | brlcad | open db via menu or via opendb command? |
| 04:31.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | menu |
| 04:33.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | vgr 13884 |
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| 04:37.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | considering only 4 cores, not too bad |
| 04:37.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | as opposed to 512 |
| 04:37.42 | brlcad | yep, not too shabby |
| 04:39.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not braggin, just proud, considering i am poor |
| 04:39.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that having been said, i am happy to donate cpu time and shell access to deserving persons |
| 04:40.55 | brlcad | 13k vaxen is pretty substantial ;) |
| 04:41.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | true |
| 04:41.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | offer still stands |
| 04:41.59 | brlcad | i'm good for now, but thanks :) |
| 04:42.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | will advise of beowolf completion |
| 04:42.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ;) |
| 04:47.09 | yukonbob | evening, cadheads |
| 04:47.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | evening, yukonbob |
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| 04:58.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | is restarting X. again |
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| 05:04.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | looks like i fixed opengl, trying mged again |
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| 05:18.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, starseeker, |
| 05:19.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I may have something more helpful |
| 05:20.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i now have opengl working right, so when i get the above crash, my screen blanks (like going from fullscreen gl) |
| 05:20.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i then return to konsole, which reports segfault |
| 05:21.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | which tells me that crash is mged, |
| 05:22.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but locking X is opengl, video driver, or other opengl apps fighting over it |
| 05:22.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | looking at crash now to find it |
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| 05:33.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | d-lo, hello |
| 05:35.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 4 starseeker: have you found the bug yet? |
| 05:35.28 | louipc | whoazers |
| 05:35.45 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hey, just learning from <brlcad> |
| 05:36.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | kinda grabs ya |
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| 05:38.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if not, it seems to be line 249 of vls.c |
| 05:41.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | wait, that is where it complained, however, the bad pointer seems to be bu_vls |
| 05:41.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | said it was "Zero_Magic_Number" |
| 05:42.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | whatever that means |
| 05:45.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if you send me an email addr, or send mail to phreak@110mail.com, I will send strace outputs |
| 05:53.46 | starseeker | Dr_Phreakenstein: just use pastebin: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 05:54.34 | starseeker | a complaint at the vls level is almost always due to problems with string handling further up the chain |
| 05:56.22 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: Zero_Magic_Number means it's a string that hasn't been initialized |
| 05:56.41 | brlcad | sounds exactly like the other bug I fixed earlier today too |
| 05:56.54 | brlcad | something missing a bu_vls_init() |
| 05:57.23 | starseeker | it seems to be before f_opendb... hmmm... |
| 05:57.40 | starseeker | looks at db_Open in tcl land... |
| 05:59.10 | brlcad | if you have a trace, you'll at least have the place where the vls is being called |
| 05:59.15 | brlcad | it's usually obvious from there |
| 05:59.24 | starseeker | wants the trace :-) |
| 05:59.28 | starseeker | I can't generate one here |
| 05:59.41 | brlcad | starseeker: if we do gsoc again, you interested in mentoring? |
| 05:59.47 | starseeker | brlcad: sure |
| 05:59.53 | brlcad | k |
| 05:59.57 | brlcad | all still tbd |
| 06:00.01 | starseeker | np |
| 06:00.51 | brlcad | last years didn't get as much attention as it deserved so probably would only accept a couple students at most IFF even accepted |
| 06:01.07 | starseeker | right |
| 06:01.08 | brlcad | you have a link to your panoramas? |
| 06:01.31 | starseeker | I don't think they're online - I can put one up on bz |
| 06:01.33 | starseeker | one sec |
| 06:01.41 | starseeker | (cat, shut up!) |
| 06:02.11 | starseeker | ah, it is up |
| 06:02.31 | brlcad | you had a couple iirc |
| 06:02.35 | brlcad | the interior and the exterior |
| 06:02.54 | starseeker | interior was a panorama |
| 06:03.00 | starseeker | exterior just a side shot |
| 06:03.11 | brlcad | still stitched using panotools, though, right? |
| 06:03.21 | starseeker | no, that was a full shot |
| 06:03.39 | brlcad | ah, okay |
| 06:03.40 | starseeker | I did some flat scans with panotools, but the side shots aren't practical |
| 06:04.29 | starseeker | well, this is one but it's 25 megs: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/pano_1.jpg |
| 06:05.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | working on it... |
| 06:05.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | too big to select and put into paste bin |
| 06:05.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | can i get an email? |
| 06:05.45 | brlcad | too big for paste bin? |
| 06:05.54 | brlcad | the limit on that is like 25 MB |
| 06:06.50 | brlcad | stack trace shouldn't be more than a few dozen lines |
| 06:08.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 3971 lines for one |
| 06:08.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | otu of 3 |
| 06:09.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | out |
| 06:10.28 | starseeker | brlcad: here's one with managable size: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/tank_interior.jpg |
| 06:11.52 | Ralith | starseeker: you call that manageable? |
| 06:11.59 | Ralith | :P |
| 06:13.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | perhaps by comparison... |
| 06:15.56 | starseeker | Ralith: well, there's the 25 meg version... |
| 06:16.10 | Ralith | fine, fine |
| 06:16.12 | starseeker | Dr_Phreakenstein: It looks like it was trying to read your .mgedrc |
| 06:16.17 | Ralith | how's that model doing, anyway? |
| 06:16.30 | starseeker | haven't had time to work on it yet |
| 06:17.06 | Ralith | aw. |
| 06:17.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I have .mgedrc |
| 06:18.45 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm going to paste a subset of this to pastebin |
| 06:19.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | want to see .mgedrc, too? |
| 06:19.37 | starseeker | maybe - let's see what brlcad makes of this |
| 06:19.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (only 507 lines) |
| 06:20.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hope that info dump helps at all |
| 06:20.20 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m67aab374 |
| 06:20.42 | brlcad | starseeker: and to clarify .. you used the panotools and not hugin, yes? |
| 06:20.47 | brlcad | hugin being http://hugin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:20.53 | starseeker | I used hugin |
| 06:21.02 | starseeker | thought it was built on panotools? |
| 06:21.09 | brlcad | ah, okay -- glad I asked then |
| 06:21.16 | starseeker | is that bad? |
| 06:21.37 | brlcad | it's based on them and somewhat built on them, but a slightly different approach |
| 06:21.41 | brlcad | no, not bad |
| 06:21.46 | brlcad | even better |
| 06:22.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | emerges hugin |
| 06:23.07 | starseeker | Dr_Phreakenstein: what's the last line in your mgedrc file? |
| 06:25.36 | starseeker | hmm - that trace contains the complete mgedrc file, then something goes bad on a write |
| 06:26.00 | starseeker | what the heck... |
| 06:26.17 | starseeker | MUST sleep - got meeting tomorrow |
| 06:26.27 | starseeker | will sleep on it - thanks Dr_Phreakenstein |
| 06:26.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | the strace command cut off everything after 4096 bytes |
| 06:26.45 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i can rerun with larger cutoff, if desired |
| 06:27.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | let me know if i can be of any further assistance. during day, send me mail, as i do not always read full backlog |
| 06:27.28 | starseeker | not sure if that will help - can you get it to run inside gdb and then do bt? |
| 06:27.46 | starseeker | k - thanks! |
| 06:27.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | bt? |
| 06:27.51 | starseeker | backtrace |
| 06:28.06 | starseeker | it's what I would have done had I not lost all X11 input |
| 06:28.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | will try, and email to you... do not wait up, but i should have by morning |
| 06:28.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sorry about that |
| 06:28.31 | starseeker | np |
| 06:28.33 | starseeker | thank you! |
| 06:28.39 | starseeker | zzzzz |
| 06:28.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | later |
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| 07:15.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33741 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob did this for 7.14.2, but it didn't make the notes. he filled out the nearly empty usage message and added a specific help message if you don't have a material file set up. |
| 07:20.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33742 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 07:20.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: typo in 7.14.2 notes that didn't get caught. original message was (added a |
| 07:20.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: rough cut at an evolutionary capability to g_diff. This attempts to guess if a |
| 07:20.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: change to a region was a natural evolution or if the region was reworked in some |
| 07:20.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: significant fashion. Requested by lbutler.) |
| 07:24.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33743 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 07:25.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: another 7.14.2 fix that wasn't documented (blasted e-mail backlog), bob fixed |
| 07:25.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: mged's font preferences panel/window that was preventing the menu from |
| 07:25.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: displaying if there was a .mgedrc file present. init wasn't getting called |
| 07:25.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: causing badness. |
| 07:40.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33744 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: minor but user-visible, john fixed a bug in the oed command documentation to note that the path must be drawn in order to be edited. fixes sf bug 2533174 (problems with oed command) reported by lbutler on 2009-01-24. |
| 07:41.05 | brlcad | at least that one was consciously left out |
| 07:41.16 | brlcad | just better to put it in hindsight to be consistent |
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| 09:51.25 | brlquestions | Hi everybody ! |
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| 11:49.53 | d-lo | Morning all! |
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| 12:21.57 | brlcad | grumble |
| 12:22.14 | d-lo | grumble? Not enough sleep? |
| 12:23.06 | Axman6 | not enough love |
| 12:23.09 | Axman6 | hugs brlcad |
| 12:23.33 | brlcad | always too much and it's just that unproductive sinkholecesspool part of the day |
| 12:24.00 | brlcad | yawns and rubs and scratches |
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| 12:45.57 | d-lo | brlcad: so is it more server work today? |
| 12:51.13 | brlcad | actually, in meeting till after lunch |
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| 12:52.17 | brlcad | yesterday was a great day, though, particularly the afternoon progress |
| 12:52.45 | d-lo | I think I overheard you say the Raid array was back up? |
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| 13:43.06 | d-lo | brlcad: in libpkg, does one have to utilize the callback table for the recv() and 'pkg_type' for the send()? |
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| 14:18.10 | brlcad | d-lo: I'll have to take another look in depth later today but my recollection is vaguely that it does need the callback table to switch on events |
| 14:18.39 | brlcad | quite possible that it doesn't though, that's really vague and biased by use |
| 14:19.33 | brlcad | that said, it's possible to mod libpkg as well so long as the underlying transport and parceling isn't changed (it's massively tested/robust) |
| 14:19.53 | brlcad | there is one mod that the API does need that's been on the todo, to add callback parameters |
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| 14:20.15 | d-lo | brlcad: Been in the code for a while now, and it looks like its needed. I am finding difficult to wire it in to an OO setting :/ |
| 14:20.45 | brlcad | right now it relies on a global or static data containers |
| 14:22.45 | brlcad | being OO doesn't change anything, at least doesn't make for a limiting constraint |
| 14:23.04 | brlcad | any OO design is deconstructable to a fully procedural one |
| 14:23.26 | brlcad | not that we want to, but just saying that shouldn't be the issue |
| 14:24.25 | d-lo | heh, shouldn't" ...nice :P |
| 14:25.11 | brlcad | okay, I could say that isn't the issue, but trying not to be too blunt :) |
| 14:26.38 | brlcad | being "OO" isn't a problem, being async maybe or being multithreaded maybe or wanting multiplexing maybe or wanting non-global data containers maybe, etc. |
| 14:27.27 | brlcad | it's a very simple (yet *very* robust) parcel transport layer |
| 14:28.06 | brlcad | it's been hooked into OO before though, too, related to the java OO wrapping I sent you last year |
| 14:30.44 | d-lo | Hrm, I don't remember that java wrapping stuff.... only jbrlcad. |
| 14:36.26 | d-lo | needs an easychair @ work.... |
| 14:38.52 | brlcad | yeah, it was one of the very first code chunks when you started on the project |
| 14:39.11 | d-lo | Hrm, can't find that email. Where does it live elsewhere? |
| 14:39.31 | brlcad | i'd have to dig around for it again |
| 14:40.11 | d-lo | No worries. Gonna work up a test. I *think* libpkg should work without callbacks. |
| 14:40.41 | brlcad | it's simple enough because it leaves you with the raw socket |
| 14:41.02 | brlcad | so i'm sure you could make something callbackless |
| 14:41.38 | brlcad | it's just whether you can do that and still go through the bit of code in pkg that has the various state recoveries and error handling |
| 14:41.52 | d-lo | Well, I am going to try to rework the network api since libpkg already has 2/3 similar header elements... no need for redundant redundancy. |
| 14:42.14 | brlcad | simple is better |
| 14:43.27 | d-lo | I am thinking that pkg_process() won't be a problem. It calls pkg_dispatch() which just so happens to preform a null check on the callback table and returns gracefully. |
| 14:46.03 | d-lo | heh, damn. pkg_dispatch() wipes the pkg_conn's buffer before returning... there goes that idea lol. |
| 14:47.46 | d-lo | lack of experience question: Fundimentally, is there any difference between feeding a pkg_switch a C routine and a function of an object instance? |
| 14:48.59 | d-lo | apologizes for his horrid speling. |
| 14:49.21 | starseeker | spelng 's overrrrratd |
| 14:49.32 | d-lo | wurd! |
| 14:49.39 | brlcad | there are some differences but most can be overcome |
| 14:49.47 | brlcad | a static member is identical |
| 14:49.49 | starseeker | after reading slashdot for years, it takes a lot of bad spelling before I'll notice |
| 14:51.44 | d-lo | so: If I have a pkg_conn as a member of an object, and I feed object->pkg_conn a pkg_switch that maps a 'pkg_type' to a function of this object... shouldn't that work? |
| 14:54.39 | d-lo | heh, that could have been worded a bit better. :) |
| 15:00.56 | brlcad | it depends on the access settings and function signature, but yeah, something like that is possible (the syntax is funky) |
| 15:01.06 | brlcad | runs |
| 15:05.45 | brlcad | last note before I really run off, really should make the function static so that it's an opaque caller |
| 15:06.04 | brlcad | you can make the object to be called on a data member used by the static callback |
| 15:06.38 | brlcad | which gets into the whole issue that the callback registration needs to also support a client data pointer (simple mod) |
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| 15:24.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33745 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (9 files): Add arced, copymat, putmat, push, xpush, accept, reject, and tra |
| 15:59.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | greetings, party people! |
| 16:01.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | working people? |
| 16:02.58 | d-lo | "work work work work... HELLO BOYS!" - Mel Brooks |
| 16:04.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | won't admit to seing that movie. so many times |
| 16:09.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | d-lo: not to rehash, for backing up on CF, i meant only system and config files, as in only things handled by package installer. full drive backup, another story |
| 16:09.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still owe you those part numbers, have not forgotten |
| 16:09.55 | d-lo | Dr_Phreakenstein: yeah, got your email. Its understood now ;) |
| 16:10.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cool |
| 16:10.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, gentoo is amazing, but i cannot claim things like that. will leave such claims for vista |
| 16:13.55 | d-lo | read an article somewhere that MS is pushing windows 7 *really* hard to get it out ASAP. Looks like they are in phear of MS Windows ME - round 2. lol Consumer reports are starting to slam Vista pretty hard :) tee hee. |
| 16:14.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ahhh.... warms the heart to hear stuff like that... |
| 16:15.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 4 <starseeker>: need anything before I split for class? |
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| 16:31.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | off to fun times! |
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| 19:15.23 | d-lo | http://xkcd.com/528/ LOL |
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| 20:38.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 20:43.37 | starseeker | auugh - now 7.14.3 works on my mac |
| 20:44.10 | starseeker | sort of - it opens the file without hanging but does not load .mgedrc |
| 20:47.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | on lunch break now, will hop on tonight to try and help |
| 20:52.41 | starseeker | oh, lovely - now it just crashes |
| 20:52.48 | starseeker | must not have installed lastest |
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| 22:30.53 | starseeker | tracks instant mged start crash - workin gthrouh to mged.c:2464 |
| 22:32.59 | brlcad | starseeker: is it a bu_bomb? |
| 22:33.14 | brlcad | or coredump/segfault? |
| 22:33.29 | starseeker | bu_bomb |
| 22:33.45 | brlcad | vls zero or bad magic? |
| 22:34.05 | starseeker | Zero_magic_number |
| 22:34.30 | starseeker | trying to figure out why - str contains an mgedrc reference at that point |
| 22:35.30 | brlcad | if you break on 2464 *before* calling Tcl_EvalFile, what is str |
| 22:36.37 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.37 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.37 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.37 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.37 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.52 | starseeker | looks like a valid vls |
| 22:37.11 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:37.17 | brlcad | so that vls is actually fine |
| 22:37.37 | brlcad | it's the .mgedrc command processing |
| 22:39.06 | starseeker | fears following it down those roads |
| 22:39.06 | starseeker | but does anyway... |
| 22:39.06 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:39.06 | brlcad | yeah, you have to |
| 22:39.12 | starseeker | hi ho, hi ho, it's off to tclIOUtil we go... |
| 22:41.24 | starseeker | ok, hello Tcl_FSEvalFileEx... |
| 22:41.47 | brlcad | it's going to end up being a Tcl_EvalEx |
| 22:41.57 | brlcad | running the whole file as one command |
| 22:42.05 | starseeker | ah, thanks |
| 22:45.19 | brlcad | b tclBasic.c:4294 |
| 22:45.36 | brlcad | run with that, should then break for every commmand in the .mgedrc |
| 22:45.44 | brlcad | set that after you get to the 2464 breakpoint |
| 22:45.59 | starseeker | Tcl_ParseCommand (interp=0x780b200, start=0x74ee1ec "\n", '#' <repeats 22 times>, " Query Ray Settings ", '#' <repeats 22 times>, "\n# Set the basename of the fake solids generated by nirt\nqray basename query_ray\n\n# Specifies the kind of output generated by nirt.\n# g"..., numBytes=2902, nested=0, parsePtr=0x74f5024) at /Users/cyapp/brlcad/src/other/tcl/unix/../generic/tclParse.c:271 |
| 22:46.05 | starseeker | 271 if ((start == NULL) && (numBytes != 0)) { |
| 22:46.06 | starseeker | that's the poison |
| 22:46.51 | brlcad | o.O |
| 22:47.14 | starseeker | last parse command before death |
| 22:48.06 | brlcad | doesn't see anything there |
| 22:48.20 | brlcad | and that doesn't make sense too.. that's not in my .mgedrc at least |
| 22:48.48 | starseeker | can wipe/redo my .mgedrc - maybe the old one is killing it |
| 22:48.49 | starseeker | one sec |
| 22:49.00 | brlcad | keep it |
| 22:49.03 | brlcad | just move it |
| 22:49.06 | starseeker | k |
| 22:49.16 | brlcad | there's no reason an old mgedrc should cause a crash |
| 22:49.58 | brlcad | if we mess up and it does, we should fix the mess up; not give "delete your .mgedrc" as a 'fix' :) |
| 22:50.13 | starseeker | aw ;-) |
| 22:51.02 | brlcad | ah, I see the Query Ray Settings section in mgedrc.tcl -- mine is just apparently older |
| 22:51.30 | brlcad | ah, I wonder if that's it |
| 22:51.44 | brlcad | is "qray" a valid command now that libged is hooked in |
| 22:51.53 | starseeker | hrm |
| 22:51.57 | starseeker | good question |
| 22:53.13 | brlcad | or if one of the args to qray changed when you were working on nirt |
| 22:53.29 | brlcad | as unlikely as that seems .. should have come up much earlier if that was the case |
| 22:53.46 | starseeker | still crashes without an mgedrc |
| 22:54.35 | brlcad | nothing new was added to .mgedrc output recently, so that shouldn't be it |
| 22:54.47 | starseeker | crashing in a different place without mgedrc |
| 22:54.49 | starseeker | hang on... |
| 22:55.56 | starseeker | now it's mged.c:709 |
| 22:56.21 | starseeker | hmm - valid vls, contains "gui" |
| 22:58.50 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:58.55 | brlcad | that's kinda useless :) |
| 22:59.04 | brlcad | gui is the command that kicks off the entire gui |
| 22:59.16 | starseeker | I'm digging deeper |
| 22:59.21 | brlcad | basically means "something went wrong" ;) |
| 23:02.38 | starseeker | Breakpoint 2, Tcl_ParseCommand (interp=0x780b200, start=0x81e3504 "press left}\n", numBytes=10, nested=0, parsePtr=0x74f59b0) at /Users/cyapp/brlcad/src/other/tcl/unix/../generic/tclParse.c:271 |
| 23:02.42 | starseeker | 271 if ((start == NULL) && (numBytes != 0)) { |
| 23:02.45 | starseeker | (gdb) |
| 23:02.50 | starseeker | continuing after that triggers it |
| 23:03.33 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33746 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/keep.c: fix another cosmetic issue lee found today, if you run keep on a file that already exists, it wasn't printing the file name due to amissing vararg |
| 23:04.56 | starseeker | hmm - looks like ged_autoview in one of these logs... |
| 23:06.18 | starseeker | ah HAH |
| 23:07.15 | starseeker | that's it |
| 23:07.50 | starseeker | GED_CHECK_DATABASE_OPEN is calling BU_CK_VLS, which is getting passed an empty vls |
| 23:08.05 | starseeker | the gedp pointer isn't null, but its contents are |
| 23:08.29 | starseeker | or rather - the vls structures in it are unitialized |
| 23:09.02 | starseeker | checks chgview |
| 23:13.19 | brlcad | aha, right |
| 23:13.29 | starseeker | I think it's that blasted gedp from main |
| 23:13.37 | brlcad | exactly why I didn't think my hack fix was sufficient |
| 23:13.38 | starseeker | size_reset doesn't take any params |
| 23:13.56 | starseeker | and bv_reset doesn't take a ged struct |
| 23:14.01 | starseeker | it's gotta be the main one |
| 23:14.53 | brlcad | hm, the logic to GED_CHECK_DATABASE_OPEN is rather weak |
| 23:15.04 | brlcad | if it's not a null gedp, it tries to bu_vls_trunc.. |
| 23:15.13 | brlcad | actually, hrm |
| 23:15.18 | starseeker | it looks like the GED_INIT function needs to accept NULL and still initialize the vls stuff |
| 23:15.26 | brlcad | yep |
| 23:15.31 | brlcad | exactly what I was thinking |
| 23:15.37 | starseeker | hunts for GED_INIT |
| 23:16.16 | brlcad | I left the GED_INIT in ged_dbopen(), but it also/still has to be on BU_GETSTRUCT |
| 23:16.22 | brlcad | has to be in both places |
| 23:16.39 | brlcad | though now there may be a memory leak if the gedp isn't wiped out |
| 23:17.39 | starseeker | heh - there's a ged_init_qray |
| 23:17.46 | brlcad | I think that may belong better in the wrapper instead of during init |
| 23:17.48 | starseeker | wonders if that's why the mgedrc was crapping out |
| 23:17.58 | brlcad | probably |
| 23:18.13 | starseeker | BINGO |
| 23:18.19 | brlcad | I bet a lot of commands would fail because of the non-null gedp and null dbip |
| 23:18.24 | starseeker | ged_init is just returning if gedp is NULL |
| 23:18.52 | brlcad | hrm? that sounds right |
| 23:19.02 | brlcad | nothing to init if you don't have a gedp |
| 23:19.14 | starseeker | maybe, but that's why the vls structures are in an invalid state |
| 23:19.26 | brlcad | it's never initialized |
| 23:19.28 | starseeker | "Zero_Magic" |
| 23:19.39 | brlcad | look for the getstruct |
| 23:19.56 | brlcad | the one I added yesterday, needs a GED_INIT() immediately after |
| 23:20.02 | brlcad | just with a null wdbp |
| 23:21.04 | starseeker | in setup.c? |
| 23:21.44 | brlcad | sounds about right |
| 23:23.09 | starseeker | well, that's progress - now it says "A database is not open! MGED unable to initialize gui, reverting to classic mode." |
| 23:24.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33747 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/setup.c: Initialize gedp so we don't have invalid vls structures when checks are run. |
| 23:24.34 | starseeker | er, sorry Sean, should have credited you with the suggestion there |
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| 23:25.50 | starseeker | now that's weird - it cant initialize, offers classic, and then pops up the full GUI anyway |
| 23:28.36 | starseeker | erm - it says No symbol "TCL_OK" in current context. |
| 23:28.46 | starseeker | well no wonder status doesn't equal it |
| 23:28.59 | starseeker | brlcad: where do we get TCL_OK from? |
| 23:37.34 | starseeker | oh, OK - tcl.h, and it's 0 |
| 23:38.34 | starseeker | hmm - we're getting 1 as a return from the 709 mged Tcl_Eval |
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| 23:45.50 | brlcad | starseeker: I don't need to be credited for any and every suggestion |
| 23:45.54 | brlcad | especially for one-liners :) |
| 23:46.21 | starseeker | well, going from crashing to non-crashing on the startup of the main gui is nice |
| 23:46.33 | starseeker | now if I can just figure out why its returning status 1... |
| 23:47.14 | brlcad | because of the "A database is not open!" message |
| 23:47.20 | brlcad | from there, the rest just cascades |
| 23:47.45 | starseeker | is that a consequence of ged wanting a database then? |
| 23:54.45 | starseeker | looks for where the messages are called and feels a sinking feeling |
| 23:58.42 | starseeker | I'm guessing the fix is to have the various commands that can run without an open database check for an open database only when the wdbp pointer is non-NULL? |
| 00:10.18 | starseeker | message to self - per discussion with Sean, push GED checks for database state in commands down to where the command actually needs to know - "correct" way to avoid status picking up errors from the ged commands run in startup |
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| 00:27.59 | brlcad | if we separate out help from the main work command, then the checks could conceivably remain at the top -- we'll end up with something like rt_functab that the wrapper would use to invoke a command |
| 00:28.13 | brlcad | for now, though, I think the next step is to just do the push-down |
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| 00:34.37 | brlcad | howdy andrecastelo ! |
| 00:34.40 | brlcad | ltns |
| 00:34.59 | andrecastelo | howdy brlcad :D |
| 00:36.01 | andrecastelo | how's everything??? |
| 00:36.09 | brlcad | busy as all frack |
| 00:36.23 | brlcad | too many irons in the fire I suppose |
| 00:36.32 | brlcad | otherwise, going great |
| 00:36.54 | brlcad | has to run off for a bit, ttyl |
| 00:38.11 | andrecastelo | :D |
| 01:09.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03louipc * r33748 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/archlinux/PKGBUILD: Add libxslt as makedepends, and tkhtml3 as optdepends in Arch PKGBUILD. |
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| 01:59.10 | ``Erik_ | heh, I keep seeing more and more about ted lately O.o |
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| 03:50.27 | starseeker | ``Erik: the old rich text editor? |
| 03:50.39 | starseeker | hasn't heard of it in years... |
| 03:51.30 | starseeker | hey, cool - it does still exist: http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/ |
| 03:51.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | silly antiques ;) |
| 03:51.54 | starseeker | indeed |
| 03:52.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | actually, ted was not a very clever name... |
| 03:52.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have known of several, unrelated text editors named ted |
| 03:52.59 | louipc | oh sweet! |
| 03:53.07 | louipc | installs ted |
| 03:53.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i should start a collection |
| 03:53.26 | starseeker | used it back in the 386 days... |
| 03:53.36 | starseeker | Abiword was too much for it, iirc |
| 03:54.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | Abiword! |
| 03:54.23 | louipc | Abiword is as far as I want to go. |
| 03:54.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | my current favs are nano, the one built into mc, and kate |
| 03:55.07 | starseeker | grows ever fonder of vim |
| 03:55.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i do not mean to start debate... |
| 03:55.45 | louipc | vim++ |
| 03:55.46 | starseeker | nah, nowadays they're all pretty good |
| 03:55.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | editors are really a matter of habit and preference |
| 03:56.04 | starseeker | you just have to spend a lot of time to take advantage of the powerful ones |
| 03:56.10 | louipc | they should tweak evim so it's usable via console |
| 03:56.13 | starseeker | still uses nedit for quick and dirty |
| 03:56.20 | louipc | then there would be no reason for nano whatsoever |
| 03:56.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i remember my 1st experience w/ vi. got stuck in slackware 96 after i wiped my dos partition. i had no idea what to do, never heard of a man page, nothing |
| 03:57.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i was hurting |
| 03:57.53 | louipc | I had a book so it wasn't so bad |
| 03:58.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | given that trauma, i think that you can understand my reluctance to use vi and all derivitaves, even if i can acknowledge their technical greatness |
| 03:58.18 | starseeker | sure - a lot of people associate it with emergency situations |
| 03:58.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, i did not know that they wrote books for those sorts of things |
| 03:58.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ya might call it baptism by fire |
| 03:58.49 | louipc | hehe |
| 03:58.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 03:59.22 | louipc | well when I first dived into linux I did hear that it was a bit challenging, so I went out and got some docs |
| 03:59.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, i was using the worst possible hardware |
| 04:00.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i had never heard of it... i complained that windows crashed and dos was limiting (wanted better shell) |
| 04:00.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | so my cousin sent me a disk, and it really forced me to learn a lot |
| 04:00.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | glad for it now |
| 04:00.33 | louipc | nice |
| 04:00.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oh, no net access, either |
| 04:01.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that might have helped |
| 04:02.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i still prefer nano due to it's ease of integration in very tiny systems (very tiny still means qwerty kbd or remote shell of some kind) |
| 04:02.20 | louipc | good luck getting that to work way back then :P |
| 04:02.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | getting what to work? |
| 04:02.53 | louipc | internet? |
| 04:03.07 | louipc | dialup - ppp |
| 04:03.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | in 96? my only restriction was parental |
| 04:03.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i had a ... 14,400 baud modem |
| 04:03.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's *over* 14K! |
| 04:03.45 | louipc | sweet |
| 04:04.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i know, i could not even whistle that fast! |
| 04:04.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ahem... |
| 04:04.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | chai, the russian way has a *lot* of caffeine in it |
| 04:05.00 | louipc | yeah I actually didn't -get- vi, and I didn't like it |
| 04:05.08 | louipc | so I used emacs for awhile :D |
| 04:05.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | now there is the kirby-vacuum, universal motor assembly of software |
| 04:06.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | it has long since ceased to be primarily an editor |
| 04:06.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | now more like a complete desktop environment |
| 04:07.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that i still do not use |
| 04:07.10 | louipc | haha |
| 04:08.19 | louipc | you know nano isn't completely user friendly |
| 04:08.45 | louipc | I had one user ask "I'm stuck. What does ^X mean?" |
| 04:09.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, what can you do |
| 04:09.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | pebkac |
| 04:10.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | had they figured out the cupholder yet? |
| 04:10.23 | louipc | well nowhere does it say ^ = ctrl |
| 04:10.41 | louipc | :D |
| 04:10.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, i guess i know that from some stumbling i did back in the day... |
| 04:10.58 | louipc | they figured out ssh! |
| 04:11.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but it seems like a good guess |
| 04:11.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that or alt |
| 04:11.15 | louipc | or esc |
| 04:11.25 | louipc | or shift-6 |
| 04:11.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, so that leaves 3 combinations to try |
| 04:11.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | all of which is faster than asking |
| 04:14.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 04:14.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | make 'em read that |
| 04:14.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and everything else by him and dj bernstein |
| 04:14.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | then, have them read theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh |
| 04:15.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that will first bring them down to size, then let them know what you are capable of |
| 04:29.22 | schwinn434 | where can I read about brlcad, and downloaded it, if possible |
| 04:29.39 | Axman6 | brlcad.org i think |
| 04:30.36 | schwinn434 | thx Axman6 |
| 04:31.27 | schwinn434 | is there a 3 dimensional cad program similar to AutoCad which is opensource |
| 04:33.42 | ``Erik | striped irregular bucket, pheer... was the gospel back when I was a sysadmin |
| 04:34.23 | ``Erik | there're some things esr has written that can safely be ignored, though... :D |
| 04:35.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes |
| 04:35.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | very safely |
| 04:36.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | schwinn434: qcad is 2d and OS... |
| 04:36.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | it is available as 3d, but i believe at a $price |
| 04:36.40 | ``Erik | and screw nano, http://www.geocities.com/kensanata/ed.html |
| 04:38.20 | louipc | ``Erik++ |
| 04:41.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that was one of the funniest things i have read this year! |
| 04:41.31 | schwinn434 | is qcad opensource? |
| 04:41.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i believe so |
| 04:42.02 | schwinn434 | thx Dr_Phreakenstein |
| 04:43.29 | louipc | haha it's crippleware |
| 04:43.49 | louipc | The demo version terminates after 10 minutes. # It can be restarted and used for 100 hours in total. |
| 04:43.55 | louipc | opensource crippleware though |
| 04:43.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | community is released under GPL |
| 04:44.02 | louipc | odd |
| 04:44.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what? |
| 04:44.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | weird |
| 04:44.12 | louipc | http://www.qcad.org/qcad_downloads.html |
| 04:44.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i compile it and use it often |
| 04:44.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | does not do 3d, which brings me here |
| 04:45.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if you compile it, i have found no time restriction |
| 04:46.12 | ``Erik | hrm, looks like there're 3 products, only 'professional demo' has the time restriction, community is the only gpl one |
| 04:46.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | correct |
| 04:46.36 | schwinn434 | thx guys |
| 04:47.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but really, schwinn434, brlcad can import and export autocad files |
| 04:47.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | you should use that instead |
| 04:47.16 | ``Erik | erm, a subset of |
| 04:47.25 | louipc | I guess the time restraints is a config option in their build |
| 04:47.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | shhhh... |
| 04:47.33 | louipc | possibly |
| 04:47.40 | ``Erik | like we ignore all the extra drafting crap, we do the triangles for solid geometry |
| 04:47.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's not a very good sales pitch, Erik |
| 04:48.24 | louipc | NASA used BRL-CAD to send people to the moon. |
| 04:48.25 | ``Erik | heh, no, I'm not a sales person :D if it's just the solid stuff needed out of the dxf, we're right there for it... but if that meta-info is required, *shrug* we don't do that |
| 04:48.34 | louipc | fact |
| 04:48.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | the correct answer is "Yes, it is not only fully compatible, but better in every way, and if you disagree, we will refund your purchase price in full" |
| 04:49.09 | schwinn434 | didn't realize brlcad was so powerful |
| 04:49.12 | brlcad | ``Erik: it does import the 2D geometric entities now too (as sketches) |
| 04:49.18 | ``Erik | oh, neat |
| 04:49.21 | brlcad | g-dxf is the shizzle |
| 04:49.31 | brlcad | er, dxf-g :) |
| 04:49.31 | ``Erik | does it attempt to export the sketches, too |
| 04:49.33 | ``Erik | ? |
| 04:49.38 | brlcad | mm, doubt it |
| 04:49.45 | louipc | hmm |
| 04:49.53 | ``Erik | I looked through the source not TOO long ago and didn't see sketch shtuff :/ |
| 04:49.53 | brlcad | but maybe |
| 04:49.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | see, there ya go |
| 04:49.58 | louipc | schwinn434: I was joking :D |
| 04:50.10 | louipc | schwinn434: I don't know that for a fact |
| 04:50.32 | brlcad | it still doesn't import the non-geometric entities I believe and various attributes that have only to do with annotation |
| 04:50.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | begins working on sales literature and #ower#oint |
| 04:50.55 | brlcad | like an entity with a "stipple" attribute .. yeah, that's ignored and probably will stay that way |
| 04:51.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | que es "stipple" |
| 04:51.18 | brlcad | - - - - - - |
| 04:51.22 | louipc | hash marks? |
| 04:51.36 | ``Erik | I d'no, things like that could just be saved as named object pairs in the attribute tags |
| 04:51.43 | brlcad | means draw the wireframe and/or edges or whatever it's associated with using dashed lines instead of a solid line |
| 04:51.46 | louipc | oh hidden lines/centre lines, etc |
| 04:51.54 | ``Erik | wouldn't MEAN anything, but slightly less data lost |
| 04:52.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ahhh... drafting symbol stuff |
| 04:52.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is rendered irrelevant by the whole idea of CSG |
| 04:52.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | it only makes for pretty prints... |
| 04:53.25 | brlcad | it's irrelevant in most solid modeling systems |
| 04:53.33 | brlcad | very much a drafting feature |
| 04:53.37 | louipc | *hatching |
| 04:53.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | which brings me to my idea of a print making utility, or something, to turn geometry nice draft |
| 04:54.07 | louipc | you need those marks if you're going to take a draft into the shop for sure |
| 04:54.10 | ``Erik | kinda sorta like rtedge does? |
| 04:54.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | geometry into nice draft |
| 04:54.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes |
| 04:54.20 | brlcad | enjoys some awesome home-cooked surf n' turf |
| 04:54.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | rtedge... |
| 04:54.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sorta |
| 04:54.49 | louipc | sounds good |
| 04:55.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | would add dimmensions, 4 views, notes, specs, and |
| 04:55.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | GD&T |
| 04:55.35 | louipc | bill of materials |
| 04:55.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | perhaps |
| 04:55.51 | louipc | revisions |
| 04:55.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is too easy to do in favorite editor |
| 04:55.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes |
| 04:56.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | revisions is a good one |
| 04:56.07 | ``Erik | 4view is easy, dimensions could be glued on post-rendering, no? |
| 04:56.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i did it in openoffice |
| 04:56.29 | ``Erik | doesn't know what the behavior of sketch is in rtege O.o |
| 04:56.36 | louipc | you need bill of materials on the dwg, especially if it's an assembly |
| 04:56.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, i buy that |
| 04:57.22 | louipc | and dimensioning is a bit of an art. I couldn't trust a computer to always make the right decisions |
| 04:57.44 | ``Erik | for 'bill of materials', what exactly is the pertinent information? |
| 04:57.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, should be manually editable, especially w/ tolerances |
| 04:57.59 | louipc | yea |
| 04:58.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is something that would deserve a fair bit of thought |
| 04:58.22 | louipc | ``Erik: tells you what the different parts are on the drawing |
| 04:58.46 | ``Erik | yes, but just a list of part numbers? or material and mass? or? :) |
| 04:59.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sources, prices, quantity |
| 04:59.06 | louipc | if it's a screw it will tell you what it's specs are, if it's a custom part it will give the part/dwg number |
| 04:59.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | perhaps mult. part numbers |
| 04:59.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | assy/sub-assy numbers |
| 04:59.56 | ``Erik | soo, encode it into the geometries path, then a quick little scripts to massage the output of mged -c commands for a usable output? :) |
| 05:00.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | as in part numbers for vendor and client |
| 05:00.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | groups of parts for assy |
| 05:00.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | could work |
| 05:00.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | bye, schwinn |
| 05:01.36 | louipc | the most important part is always first ;) |
| 05:02.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... also, notes about the construction, specs, or assembly of different parts, and a misc notes field to cover everything else |
| 05:02.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | here ya go... |
| 05:02.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | notes per part, and per drawing |
| 05:03.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is the easiest way to make it more generic |
| 05:03.53 | ``Erik | been 20 years since I've done drafting, and it was just an intro course, so nothing detailed :D I know the general format for electronics, but that sounds a bit differnet |
| 05:04.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | the new thing is geometric dimensioning and tolerancing |
| 05:04.31 | louipc | you can achieve the order by naming I guess |
| 05:04.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | just a set of symbols and a system for doing dimensions |
| 05:05.00 | louipc | 001.Main_Housing, 002.Drive_Shaft, 003.Bearing |
| 05:05.04 | ``Erik | or attribute abuse |
| 05:05.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 05:05.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | true |
| 05:06.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i would not mind if brlcad could do electronic stuff, too |
| 05:06.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sounds like a lot of work |
| 05:06.36 | ``Erik | talking to geda would probably be a better first stab O.o |
| 05:07.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but it would be handy to have it figure out size/shape of populated board, to see if it would fit housing |
| 05:07.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i like kicad |
| 05:07.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | geda is decent, i have less experience with |
| 05:08.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | actually, what i want, is a hammer that also saws, polishes, grinds, and drives threaded fasteners |
| 05:08.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ;) |
| 05:09.02 | ``Erik | I think they call those shops |
| 05:09.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if it had a soldering attachment, so much the better |
| 05:09.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, you win |
| 05:09.18 | louipc | oh sweet. 3d view |
| 05:09.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | from a hammer? |
| 05:10.25 | louipc | kicad |
| 05:10.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what i meant was that it would be cool to have an "everything cad" system, but i understand why that would not always work |
| 05:10.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | upgrades kicad to latest |
| 05:19.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hmmm... i will have to talk to those guys, see if they can export 3d data to a file brlcad can read |
| 05:19.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that would be nice! |
| 05:20.12 | brlcad | too much manpower and lack of development focus to attempt to support too many domains at once, there's more than enough work to just support one or two domains |
| 05:21.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i understand that, i meant make kicad export to .g |
| 05:21.04 | brlcad | solid modeling is top-priority followed closely behind by either drafting or mcad needs (or the features that overlap both domains) |
| 05:21.22 | brlcad | that would be pretty easy |
| 05:21.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | exactly |
| 05:21.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hey, you guys have any debugging for me today? |
| 05:22.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am not much of a programmer, but i can do that |
| 05:22.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | "I can strace like nobody's business!" |
| 05:23.26 | brlcad | I think the main problems were sorted out earlier today |
| 05:23.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still learning to work w/ you guys |
| 05:23.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | k |
| 05:23.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sorry to say, i should have pointed some stuff out i found in my trace |
| 05:23.54 | brlcad | now just have a lot of grunt-work moving and repairs to take care of |
| 05:24.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | looks like i could have saved some hours, not sure. i saw stuff last night that you guys discussed this morning |
| 05:30.57 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: actually your lead last night helped |
| 05:31.08 | brlcad | helped a lot, thanks |
| 05:32.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | glad to contrib... |
| 05:33.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | don't be afraid to throw problems at me... |
| 05:33.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | this way we can both learn what i can do, and i can learn at all |
| 05:34.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | eg this morning was my first experience w/ gdb |
| 05:34.28 | louipc | do you do any programming? |
| 05:34.47 | brlcad | if you have an app with debugging symbols, gdb is actually pretty easy to learn |
| 05:34.51 | brlcad | at least most of the basics |
| 05:34.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not yet, but i can fumble through bash and python |
| 05:35.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | so i saw |
| 05:35.13 | louipc | aww, same here :/ |
| 05:35.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | always thought it would be way harder |
| 05:35.32 | louipc | so that's why you don't use vi or emacs yet ;) |
| 05:35.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 05:35.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | perhaps |
| 05:36.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | although, in my defense, my main use of kde is that it gives me konsole, a nice way to have more terminals |
| 05:36.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | terminals with a scrollbar |
| 05:37.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and unlimited scrollback buffer |
| 05:37.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | with search |
| 05:37.46 | louipc | hmm yeah sometimes I'd like more scrollback |
| 05:37.55 | louipc | but it's usually because I wasn't paying attention |
| 05:38.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | here is a tip to help many things... |
| 05:39.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | # hey, let's get a decent terminal speed now. |
| 05:39.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if tty|grep -v tty > /dev/null ; then |
| 05:39.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | fi |
| 05:39.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is in my ~/.bashrc |
| 05:39.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | believe it ornot, that speeds up compiles |
| 05:40.11 | louipc | hmmm |
| 05:41.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but it will often break plain console, thus else |
| 05:41.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | try #time cat hugefile.txt before and after |
| 05:42.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i do not remember how i discovered that |
| 05:42.25 | louipc | can my PIII handle 4000000? |
| 05:42.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes |
| 05:42.33 | louipc | sweet |
| 05:42.45 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i looked in linux kernel source, and that is mak |
| 05:42.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | max |
| 05:42.54 | louipc | cool |
| 05:43.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | used it on my PIII toughbook |
| 05:43.11 | louipc | pro tip. thx |
| 05:43.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | np, you prob will not find that online |
| 05:44.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, i use make with "-j 17 -iks --no-print-directory" |
| 05:45.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i means ignore errors, k means keep going. those are dangerous, but others add speed |
| 05:45.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | every write to stdout blocks, so it cannot compile any faster than that... |
| 05:45.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | so i tell it not to send as much output |
| 05:46.20 | louipc | true |
| 05:47.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | however, i do break a lot of stuff, so take my uber-tweaking tips w/ NaCl |
| 05:47.14 | louipc | I guess I really need to work on getting all the 3rd party libraries installed separately from brl-cad |
| 05:47.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | stty is well tested on many boxes, though |
| 05:47.28 | louipc | if I don't have to compile them it will dramatically help |
| 05:47.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | true |
| 05:47.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what distro? |
| 05:47.46 | louipc | arch |
| 05:48.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | gentoo derivitave, iirc |
| 05:48.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ? |
| 05:48.20 | louipc | LFS derivative if anything |
| 05:48.27 | louipc | inspired by CRUX |
| 05:48.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ahhh |
| 05:48.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sorry, so many, i get mixed |
| 05:49.00 | louipc | binary packages, rolling release |
| 05:49.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cool |
| 05:49.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i will say, gentoo has given me *much* compiling and resolution experience |
| 05:49.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | too much? |
| 05:50.10 | louipc | now that I don't have to compile everything I can actually do some hacking :D |
| 05:50.20 | louipc | yeah I used to use gentoo |
| 05:50.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | slaps on gentoo bumper sticker that reads "I'd rather be compiling" |
| 05:51.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | can't argue there |
| 06:57.09 | yukonbob | Dr_Phreakenstein: how many CPU cores do you have at your disposal? |
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| 06:58.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 4 |
| 06:59.20 | yukonbob | why do you "-j 17" for your make, then? |
| 06:59.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 2proc, dual core, 2.4gHz |
| 06:59.32 | yukonbob | I'd think 5 is about the max you'd require... |
| 06:59.40 | yukonbob | 4 on, 1 on stand-by |
| 06:59.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | j= core *4 + 1 |
| 07:00.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also have 8 gigs ram |
| 07:00.31 | yukonbob | but that "parallelism" isn't really parallel if they're just being swapped around the cores ;) |
| 07:00.42 | yukonbob | ...and that's not free, either. |
| 07:01.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i forget, but i researched it at one point, and that is what i arrived at |
| 07:01.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | somehow, it gave the best performance in test case |
| 07:02.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ahhh, that may have been when i had a slower hd |
| 07:02.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | even now, i am mostly io-restricted |
| 07:02.46 | yukonbob | nods |
| 07:03.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i did not believe it, either, thought it was insane, but it seems to work |
| 07:03.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and on gentoo, i do a little compiling ;) |
| 07:07.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, -j 17 is no good w/out my stty optimizations |
| 07:16.09 | Ralith | I'd think that -j 17 is no good without four quadcores, too. |
| 07:16.46 | Ralith | the rule I've always hear is ncpu+1 |
| 07:16.51 | Ralith | heard* |
| 07:17.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | fair enough, especially for a sys that is better balanced than mine |
| 07:18.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | depends on cache and scheduler, too, but that is getting pretty deep, and for specific cases |
| 07:18.55 | Ralith | I suppose ultimately you're best off just trial-and-erroring your way up until performance starts to drop again |
| 07:19.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, that is how i got where i am |
| 07:19.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | problem is, i only tested it for certain things |
| 07:20.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | mainly just to emerge a short list of programs |
| 07:20.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | wonder how it would be affected by ccache |
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| 10:06.46 | d-lo | likes ubuntu :) |
| 10:22.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not a bad choice |
| 10:22.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | you are up early |
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| 11:46.13 | d-lo | not really. Thats my normal 'up' time. |
| 11:46.51 | d-lo | Wake @0400-0415. On the road to work by 0500. Arrive @ work 0600-0615. |
| 11:49.13 | d-lo | I was very impressed by Ubuntu. I have basically done a 'out of box test' of FC10 vs ubuntu. |
| 11:50.16 | d-lo | and Ubuntu wins hands down. I had to install only 2 drivers not included with the base install to make myt Dell 1505 lappy work at 100%... although I haven't tested the graphics driver yet. |
| 12:01.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 12:01.49 | d-lo | gonna put on wine this evening and fire up Civ4 and a few others ;) |
| 12:01.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 12:02.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have tetris and minehunt on my HP calculator... |
| 12:02.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is about as much gaming as i do |
| 12:03.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | makes my professor seem less verbose |
| 12:03.08 | d-lo | tetris rules. |
| 12:03.25 | d-lo | what class? |
| 12:08.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, i only have 3 instructors, as it is a small dept |
| 12:09.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that one teaches CNC mill, and inspection II |
| 12:09.57 | d-lo | kewl. |
| 12:10.10 | _sushi_ | what is the inspection about |
| 12:10.11 | d-lo | did you get all that gear Hauled successfully? |
| 12:10.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they are all really smart, but that guy can really get going |
| 12:10.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yup |
| 12:10.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | somehow (lots of prayer) i am still alive |
| 12:11.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not to preach (i hate that), but that was really a faith-building experience |
| 12:11.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | too much wind load for my caravan |
| 12:11.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | terrible trailer |
| 12:12.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ratchet straps rubbing on tires |
| 12:12.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no good strapdown points |
| 12:12.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and those that there were had iffy welds that were bending under the stress |
| 12:13.00 | d-lo | heh, sounds like the stuff 'good stories' are made of eh? |
| 12:13.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | engine redlined or plain ran out of steam on hills |
| 12:13.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) indeed |
| 12:13.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oh, and i drove 800 miles on 2 hrs of sleep |
| 12:13.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | maxed out debit card, so could not get gas... |
| 12:14.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | mad it home with about 1 pint, no joke |
| 12:14.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | gauge said i was getting 4-5 mpg on hills |
| 12:15.00 | d-lo | you must *really* love that gear :D |
| 12:16.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | uh-huh! |
| 12:16.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | too bad it is still in driveway |
| 12:16.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no room in garage |
| 12:16.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oh, and i came out about even vs shipping |
| 12:16.45 | d-lo | where is it going to go? (Ultimately) |
| 12:16.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | however, now i have a hitch and wiring |
| 12:17.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, i have to move to a different house... this is funny |
| 12:17.27 | d-lo | hell, you gotta move it all again? |
| 12:17.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have a wife+3 kids, right (ages 1, 2, 3)... |
| 12:17.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, it is still on trailer, and this time will be a shorter drive |
| 12:17.52 | d-lo | Woot! You got me beat! (mine are 5,4,2.5) |
| 12:18.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, 375 and 383 days apart |
| 12:18.18 | d-lo | niceness. |
| 12:18.38 | d-lo | 379 stdev 4 |
| 12:18.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | so, we are planning on moving into my mother-in-law's garage, after renovation |
| 12:18.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 12:19.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cool :) |
| 12:19.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that thing is 40*24' |
| 12:19.17 | d-lo | 15 months between my first 2 and 21 between the last two. works out to 15 days shy of exactly 36 months :) |
| 12:19.37 | d-lo | 'Moving into garage' as in the family? or the gear? |
| 12:19.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | with a wall across 24' width, 15' from back |
| 12:19.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | everything |
| 12:20.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | shop in front, family in smaller space |
| 12:20.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | will share bath and kitchen with bigger house to avoid legal and bldg permit hassle |
| 12:21.09 | d-lo | Now that I have all 3 pairs of little feet storming up and down the steps in a 3 story townhome.... I am begining to covet a studio style layout :/ |
| 12:21.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | there is that... |
| 12:21.37 | d-lo | good call on the legal. |
| 12:21.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am in townhome, lack sufficient electricity and garage space |
| 12:22.38 | d-lo | I can't remember... is this just a hobby, or a hobby turning into a bidness? |
| 12:22.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | as in computer, 3 printers, workbench, aircompressor, lamps, room lights, and some house outlets on 20amps |
| 12:23.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | compressor trips brks, and my UPS squawks, plus i lose light |
| 12:23.07 | d-lo | 20 or 200? |
| 12:23.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hobby-to bus |
| 12:23.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 20 amps |
| 12:23.47 | d-lo | ...your whole townhome is served by a 20 amp feed?!? |
| 12:24.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | never mind hooking up my rack, with those computers |
| 12:24.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, just all the big stuff |
| 12:24.42 | d-lo | whats the main house feed? 100A or 200A service? |
| 12:24.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | it has 4 20 amp circuits for most everything (save stove, etc), but all lights and outlets |
| 12:25.19 | d-lo | (are we talking about your townhome or the MIL's garage?) |
| 12:26.06 | _sushi_ | Hey how dangerous is the 120VAC> |
| 12:26.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | current place... not sure of total, no main brkr in panel |
| 12:26.13 | _sushi_ | If you touch it are you gonna die? |
| 12:26.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | only deadly,y? |
| 12:26.23 | _sushi_ | Should be less dangerous than the European 230 |
| 12:26.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | only takes 10 mAh through heart |
| 12:26.46 | d-lo | 120Vac can kill you... 230 can kill you...440 can kill you dead.... but then again, so can a 9V or AA battery :) |
| 12:27.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | lowest known lethality was 30vdc |
| 12:27.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | for exocution |
| 12:27.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that must have been agonizing |
| 12:27.55 | _sushi_ | tickled to death? |
| 12:28.12 | d-lo | 0.001a person killed themselves with a multimeter (powered by a 9V) |
| 12:28.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have been bitten by 15kv, but low current. it only sucked |
| 12:28.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that takes some talent! |
| 12:28.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | death by fluke |
| 12:28.52 | _sushi_ | Must have rammed the measuring points directly into his heart |
| 12:28.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | pardon pun |
| 12:29.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | aided with brine solution, to improve conductivity |
| 12:29.27 | d-lo | put it on Ohms, and jabbed a lead in each index finger. 9V/resistance of blood = enough amperage to pop his heart. |
| 12:29.39 | d-lo | ded |
| 12:29.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, MIL place, i will install my own dedicated power |
| 12:29.46 | _sushi_ | did the heart make a popping sound? |
| 12:30.00 | d-lo | I imagine you could do the same thing with a 1.5V batter if you wanted. |
| 12:30.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sounds like wasted talent |
| 12:30.19 | d-lo | _sushi_: dunno, but I imagine not. |
| 12:30.28 | d-lo | Darwinism in full effect |
| 12:31.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 12:31.39 | _sushi_ | did he suffer from darwinism? |
| 12:31.50 | _sushi_ | I made a 50V power supply for my optical receiver |
| 12:31.53 | _sushi_ | Is it lethal then? |
| 12:31.54 | d-lo | seemingly so ;) |
| 12:32.13 | d-lo | Voltage isn't lethal, its the current that the voltage develops that is. |
| 12:32.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <_sushi_>: what you must know is that here in US, we do everything possible to protect such persons from themselves |
| 12:32.49 | d-lo | ...and we shouldn't :/ |
| 12:33.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but every now and again, you get someone really determined, which results in those sorts of stories, more laws, and greater national debt |
| 12:34.12 | d-lo | not that you're bitter or anything :) |
| 12:34.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not to sound cruel, but if you do not buckle up, and you crash, hey, we just should not pay the bill. sorry, dude. the car had seatbelts, since what, 1968, maybe sooner? |
| 12:34.49 | _sushi_ | Hmm you need 300-500mA DC to cause fibrilation |
| 12:35.03 | _sushi_ | My power supply is designed for about 100uA current |
| 12:35.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | get a cap |
| 12:35.15 | d-lo | fib is usually only incuded by AC current.... |
| 12:35.25 | _sushi_ | But since it's mounted on a roof person touching it accidentally could be shocked and fall from the roof |
| 12:35.33 | _sushi_ | I should still put a warning sign there is 50V inside |
| 12:36.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | or mount it to car... excellent anti-theft |
| 12:36.02 | d-lo | 0.1mA makes a muscle twitch, 1.0mA causes physical pain, and 10mA causes death. |
| 12:36.24 | _sushi_ | d-lo: where do you have 10mA from? |
| 12:36.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | figures 1 A should do it |
| 12:36.35 | d-lo | eh? |
| 12:36.42 | _sushi_ | d-lo: source URL? |
| 12:36.53 | _sushi_ | I don't believe the story with the battery |
| 12:37.04 | d-lo | training. In my past life, I was an electrician. |
| 12:37.04 | _sushi_ | I would believe the one with 30V if properly contacted |
| 12:37.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have electronics pocket ref, and it says 10mA |
| 12:37.25 | _sushi_ | for AC? |
| 12:37.31 | _sushi_ | And how much for DC? My supply is DC |
| 12:38.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | any 10 mA |
| 12:38.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | DC-purple |
| 12:38.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | your body is pretty efficient as electricity is only signal, not motive power |
| 12:39.06 | alex_joni | any voltage/current pair is lethal with the right set of electrodes |
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| 12:39.24 | alex_joni | almost any ;) |
| 12:39.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yup |
| 12:39.42 | d-lo | Worst case senario: A person is tired, cold, naked and wet... their body resistance is about 300 ohms. If it takes 100mA to kill that person (300ohms / .1 = 30) then a mere 30V applied to the person will kil them |
| 12:40.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | there ya go |
| 12:40.59 | d-lo | i was forgetful in my numbers (1mA moves a muscle, 10mA = pain and 100mA causes death) but that is average... each person is different. |
| 12:41.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | remember, that 10mA has to go through heart, and it is too hard to predict path through a body, so much current may be wasted |
| 12:41.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | "wasted" |
| 12:41.58 | d-lo | anyways, blood is about the same resistance as water... nearly zero, so if you take a 9V battery: 9V/.001ohms = 9000A.... yeah, that'll kill ya. |
| 12:42.17 | _sushi_ | lol |
| 12:42.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | -internal resistance of cell... still lethal |
| 12:42.35 | d-lo | and .001 ohms is very very generous |
| 12:43.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | so don't play with electrons, kids |
| 12:43.33 | _sushi_ | hmm when I take 12V into sweaty hand and press hard then I can make 0.12mA |
| 12:43.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | one day, i walked past and outlet... |
| 12:43.37 | d-lo | heh, well, at least don't stab yourself with live electrical leads. |
| 12:43.51 | _sushi_ | I don't think my blood has 1mOhm |
| 12:44.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i was a bit alarmed to see my favorite klein screwdriver sticking straight out of the outlet |
| 12:44.07 | d-lo | _sushi_: exactly... ever wonder why your car battery is only 12V but can knock you on your ass? :) |
| 12:44.14 | _sushi_ | 10 kOhm |
| 12:44.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thankfully, from the ground |
| 12:44.33 | d-lo | oh dear... kiddo get a hold of it? |
| 12:44.33 | _sushi_ | d-lo: never heard about car battery knocking anyone |
| 12:45.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i guess... trying to be like me and "fix" stuff |
| 12:45.10 | d-lo | _sushi_: well grab both the + and - sides of your car battery sometime and you'll find out. |
| 12:45.13 | d-lo | :) |
| 12:45.35 | _sushi_ | d-lo: 120uA and I don't feel anything |
| 12:45.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | better yet, place wrench carefully across terminals... |
| 12:45.49 | _sushi_ | wrench != body |
| 12:46.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, but lead acid can arc weld |
| 12:46.08 | _sushi_ | they are made from very different material |
| 12:46.16 | d-lo | Dr_Phreakenstein: Lol, yeah.. did that during my first carstereo install... scared the life outta me. |
| 12:46.30 | _sushi_ | d-lo: never welded before? |
| 12:47.03 | d-lo | _sushi_: 120uA is .000120 amps... we are talking .001, .01 and .1 amps.... several magnitudes difference |
| 12:47.20 | d-lo | _sushi_: yes, several times... but on purpose. |
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| 12:47.43 | d-lo | the wrench on the terminals was an accident and not expected. |
| 12:48.05 | d-lo | thus, scarey. |
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| 12:49.27 | d-lo | besides, if you have a 50Vdc power supply and the load on it is only drawing 120uA... that in no way means that the 50Vdc p/s can't be shorted to ground and draw lethal current.... |
| 12:49.52 | d-lo | the general rule of thumb is anything around or over 30Vdc should have a warning sign of some sort... |
| 12:51.04 | _sushi_ | d-lo: what I said if I connect my sqeaty hands across 12V and press down hard, I get only 120uA |
| 12:51.37 | _sushi_ | That shows my body resistance with sweaty hands and pressing down hard is 10 kOhm |
| 12:51.48 | _sushi_ | If you take 30V and 10kOhm, you get 0.3mA |
| 12:52.01 | _sushi_ | You need 300mA to be lethal, still 3 oderrs of magnitude are missing. |
| 12:52.27 | _sushi_ | oh no, 100kOhm! |
| 12:52.34 | d-lo | ...just curious.. but where are you getting this 120uA measure from? |
| 12:52.42 | _sushi_ | from an ampmeter |
| 12:53.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hey, if we stop hearing from you during these tests, what is the local number to call ambulance in your area? |
| 12:53.16 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:53.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and where should we send 'em? |
| 12:53.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 12:54.30 | d-lo | multimeter or ammeter of a 12V power supply? |
| 12:55.26 | _sushi_ | d-lo: multimeter, at 40mA range |
| 12:55.38 | _sushi_ | Now I was able to make 500uA, but I had to press so hard that it was painful |
| 12:56.16 | d-lo | 10K sounds about right for normal situation hand to hand resistance. |
| 12:56.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ....which is a good reminder of when to stop |
| 12:56.38 | _sushi_ | Dr_Phreakenstein: the pain was from pressing, not from the current |
| 12:56.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i know that, point still stands |
| 12:57.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am not afraid of electricity, but i have never intentionally shocked myself, ammeter or otherwise |
| 12:57.49 | _sushi_ | I Once put 16V AC across my skull when I was a kid |
| 12:58.00 | _sushi_ | I could see dim white flickering light in my peripheral vision |
| 12:58.02 | brlcad | heh, 'splains a lot, don't it |
| 12:58.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i do not want to be on record as encouraging this sor of thing |
| 12:58.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 12:58.14 | _sushi_ | Across the temples. From the model train supply. |
| 12:58.15 | d-lo | get both hands 'sweaty', grab two metal pipes and then check your body resistance. |
| 12:58.22 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:58.38 | d-lo | should get about 1k-5k |
| 12:58.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | again, there is the idea of stopping while ahead |
| 12:59.03 | _sushi_ | Sounds like you have to be a pretty good contortionist to actually kill yourself with domestic voltage |
| 12:59.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | or less behind |
| 12:59.44 | _sushi_ | Then I got scared that maybe I killed some cells in my brain with that current and now I become retarded |
| 12:59.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | has no comment |
| 13:01.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thinks not to remind these guys of ethanol... a great brain-cell-icicide |
| 13:01.12 | d-lo | not really _sushi_ : A person just gets done washing dishes. They see the toaster is still plugged in and lean over to umplug it. One hand on the metal sink(wet) the other hand grabs the plus. They overreach a tad and a finger slips around and hits the hot prong as its coming out of the wall... with both hands wet and one hand on a good grounding point... zap. can easily be killed. |
| 13:01.28 | d-lo | plus = plug |
| 13:01.49 | _sushi_ | d-lo: I think US should get their plug design fixed |
| 13:02.11 | d-lo | has nothing to do with plug design... electricity is still electricity. |
| 13:02.24 | _sushi_ | It has - the European plug doesn't allow you to touch hot parts |
| 13:02.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ?!!! |
| 13:02.34 | d-lo | its very easy to get shocked... especially when you don't know the dangers involved. |
| 13:02.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | which one? |
| 13:02.53 | _sushi_ | British, Czech,/// |
| 13:02.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | the round pin ones that always arc and fall out of socket? |
| 13:03.28 | _sushi_ | But seriously the US plug is a major health hazard |
| 13:03.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | british plug design is good, but fails in implementation. |
| 13:03.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i used to replace about 5-10 a day |
| 13:04.18 | _sushi_ | You can half insert it and then touch the hot one with your finger |
| 13:04.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | have fun with that |
| 13:05.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oh, and those switches in the outlets... brilliant idea, really |
| 13:05.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | except that they always weld together |
| 13:05.40 | d-lo | Dr_Phreakenstein: agreed. |
| 13:06.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | <_sushi_>: hate to say, but outside of Brittain, British electrical equipment has a poor reputation. can anyone say Lucas? |
| 13:07.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 7 fuses in series to power a car stereo |
| 13:07.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no reason for that |
| 13:07.28 | d-lo | the US plug is by no means the safest... but there is a trade off there. the number of electrical related deaths is pretty low. |
| 13:07.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | indeed |
| 13:07.58 | d-lo | Dr_Phreakenstein: Well,if you want to make absolutely damned sure that the stereo has overcurrent protection... |
| 13:08.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what we are saying is, though there is plenty of anger, actual incidence of death is low |
| 13:08.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 13:08.32 | _sushi_ | Look at the US plug it has all-metal contacts and the area around the socket is flat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Domestic_AC_Type_B_USA.jpg |
| 13:08.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I should have charged a lot more for that job |
| 13:09.03 | _sushi_ | If you insert halfway you can still touch the hot prong. I have tested that myself witha plug we have here. Checked with a multimeter that there is a contact, and that I can touch with a finger. |
| 13:09.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, familiar w/ those units |
| 13:09.07 | d-lo | heh, I am well aware of what the US socket looks like :) |
| 13:09.35 | d-lo | _sushi_: Yes... and? |
| 13:09.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is why we do not conduct such tests, we already have a good idea what will happen... |
| 13:10.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | how good is that GFCI? |
| 13:10.11 | _sushi_ | The Euro plug has an elevated area around the socket, preventing a finger access when half-inserted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:C_plug.jpg |
| 13:10.38 | d-lo | not that I will admit anything Dr_Phreakenstein , but gfci is pretty good protection :) |
| 13:11.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, but i have a policy to not tempt fate |
| 13:11.30 | d-lo | _sushi_: yes, there are US receptical coverplates that perform the exact same function. |
| 13:11.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | especially since so many things are made in, shall we say, poorly regulated corners of earth |
| 13:11.46 | _sushi_ | The British plug has part of the hot prongs insulated, so you cannot get into contact with lethal voltage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G_plug.png |
| 13:11.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not all of them are so made |
| 13:12.08 | d-lo | Whats sooooo wrong with the lowest bidder? They need to make a living too! |
| 13:12.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and they do |
| 13:12.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | we just do not touch live conductors, live to see another day |
| 13:13.25 | d-lo | _sushi_: and the trade off is that the surface area in which current can conduct is reduced... thus rasing current density and lowering the life of the connection. Its a trade off. |
| 13:13.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that is y kitchen appliance plugs are so short... it will unplug rather than stay on while causing injury |
| 13:14.10 | d-lo | aka, the G_plug is rated at 13A whereas the US standard is rated to 15A, sometimes 20A |
| 13:14.40 | _sushi_ | But the G plug has higher voltage therefore you can get even higher power |
| 13:15.02 | _sushi_ | According to my opinions The US plugs shouldn't be used with more than 48V |
| 13:15.40 | _sushi_ | they are low voltage plug, then don't offer any protection against accidental contact with live conductor |
| 13:15.44 | d-lo | true. but us sockets are rated to 230V... although they only carry 110-130. |
| 13:15.48 | _sushi_ | Like banana plugs. |
| 13:16.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | or some other euro plugs |
| 13:16.26 | _sushi_ | Some of the Swiss have the same problem as the US ones |
| 13:16.35 | d-lo | _sushi_: Some sockets have the female portion of the contactors recessed. Serves the same function as the G_plug but also invokes the same limitatiosn. |
| 13:16.37 | _sushi_ | Also all-metal conductor and no elevated area |
| 13:17.19 | _sushi_ | d-lo: I disagree that having a recessed socket invokes any electrical limitation |
| 13:17.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | in fairness, US design is quite old, and people do not want to retrofit. but we have one standard for our primary outlets, an advantage over continental europe where poor adapters can lead to hazards |
| 13:18.32 | _sushi_ | US is one state, whereas Europe isn't |
| 13:18.41 | _sushi_ | Within each state you also have one standard |
| 13:18.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | um, 50 states |
| 13:18.47 | d-lo | _sushi_: not the recessed socket, the insulated prongs of the G-plug. Some us sockets have recessed electrical contacts (while the face of the socket stays the same) thus, also, reducing the contact area. thats the comparison I was making. |
| 13:18.50 | _sushi_ | Or one country |
| 13:19.24 | d-lo | heh, one of the few times anything has been standardized sucessfully :/ |
| 13:19.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | like the metric sys... congress made it official |
| 13:19.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | in 1896 |
| 13:20.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | or 1898, i forget |
| 13:20.05 | _sushi_ | lol |
| 13:20.14 | d-lo | long story short, there are pros and cons to each design. neither is superior. |
| 13:20.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | you can see where that went |
| 13:20.25 | _sushi_ | btw how much is a pint? |
| 13:20.29 | d-lo | also likes metric. Dividing and multiplying by 10 is much easier. |
| 13:20.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have to buy 2 sets of tools to work on even one car |
| 13:21.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am used to metric from cycling, but even there, certain things are spec'd in inches |
| 13:21.20 | d-lo | 9/16th or half... wtf? Neither? Damn it, its a 13mm.... |
| 13:21.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 1 pair of chain links is 1 inch when new |
| 13:21.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 13:21.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | story of my life |
| 13:22.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | certain bearings may literally have inch OD, metric ID |
| 13:22.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ?!!! |
| 13:22.47 | d-lo | heh, now thats stupid. |
| 13:22.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | who thought of that! |
| 13:23.04 | d-lo | hopefully someone who is now unemployed. |
| 13:23.12 | _sushi_ | 10mm inner diameter and 10inch outer? |
| 13:23.18 | d-lo | lol |
| 13:23.29 | d-lo | thats a badass bearing! |
| 13:23.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | more like 1.5 inch OD, 25mm ID, or so |
| 13:23.47 | _sushi_ | wouldn't work |
| 13:23.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sure it would |
| 13:24.00 | _sushi_ | but 1cm inner and 1in out could work |
| 13:24.04 | d-lo | ~9" diameter ballbearings for a <10mm shaft...lol |
| 13:24.29 | d-lo | i dub it... the 'Compensation Bearing" |
| 13:24.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 13:24.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | heh, just got second part |
| 13:25.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | need to sleep |
| 13:25.08 | d-lo | "For when your bearing *can* be huge when it doesn't need to..." |
| 13:25.17 | d-lo | nighty night! |
| 13:25.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | o, i still gotta finish H/W |
| 13:25.40 | d-lo | well get to is slacker! |
| 13:25.48 | d-lo | edit: well get to it slacker! |
| 13:25.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | looking at 24 oz rockstar, viso, and chai |
| 13:26.03 | d-lo | careful with that energy drink stuff...... |
| 13:26.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | all 2/3 gone |
| 13:26.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, fries nerves |
| 13:26.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | takes calcium from bones and teeth |
| 13:26.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | leads to diabetes and blood pressure problems |
| 13:26.52 | d-lo | I have to back off the Mt Dew... I randomly make strange noises and/or scream at brlcad. I think he's scared of me... |
| 13:26.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | makes me want to smoke |
| 13:26.59 | brlcad | heh |
| 13:27.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i was up to 2 liters a day of that stuff |
| 13:27.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | for 3 yrs |
| 13:27.30 | d-lo | brlcad: did you get your requisite 4 hrs down? |
| 13:27.49 | brlcad | yeah, and then some after a hard workout last night.. sore |
| 13:27.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | actually, they started making 3L bottles, and i would have one a day for a month or so |
| 13:28.17 | d-lo | I bet your pancreas hates you... |
| 13:28.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | btw, it does not have effect that urban legend says |
| 13:28.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, probably |
| 13:29.11 | d-lo | well good. I thought I was crazy living on 5-6 hrs aday... when I heard you say " i only need 4! " I was sceptical... |
| 13:29.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i was telling brlcad about polyphasic sleep... d-lo should try, too |
| 13:30.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | only 3hrs per day |
| 13:30.02 | d-lo | well, you best get to that homework before you sugar crash. |
| 13:30.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | too late |
| 13:30.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i crashed and rebounded |
| 13:30.45 | d-lo | when I was in the Navy on the sub, we shifted to 18 hour days... thats an awesome schedule. Up for 13-14, down for 4-5. |
| 13:30.54 | d-lo | *that* works like a champ. |
| 13:31.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 13:32.06 | d-lo | I tried it when I wasn't underway though.... doesn't work so well when you can see the sun. |
| 13:32.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | how about in hacker cave? |
| 13:32.32 | d-lo | brlcad: you got a membership to a gym somehwere or do you do it all at home? |
| 13:32.42 | d-lo | has no hacker cave. |
| 13:33.02 | d-lo | has children that find him anyways no matter where he hides |
| 13:33.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i got a sawzall and a shovel that'll fix that |
| 13:33.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, me, too |
| 13:33.36 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i love 'em |
| 13:34.06 | brlcad | doesn't believe in working out from home |
| 13:34.09 | brlcad | at least it's not for me |
| 13:34.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | says that some people work, some people work out |
| 13:34.42 | brlcad | just not sustainably effective -- too convenient and easy to get accustomed to ignoring |
| 13:34.43 | d-lo | brlcad: Thats cool. What's your reasoning? |
| 13:34.59 | d-lo | (if your dont mind me asking) |
| 13:35.10 | d-lo | is having a *very* bad typing day :/ |
| 13:35.34 | brlcad | works for some (very few), but I mostly find that it's just too convenient |
| 13:35.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | must be contagious |
| 13:35.56 | brlcad | there are so many other things in the house that can always take attention, and be more entertaining even |
| 13:36.05 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hmmm |
| 13:36.30 | brlcad | whereas physically going to the gym is a separate event in itself, a place you go to get something done |
| 13:36.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | only thing that works for me is cycling (contrived destination), or, certain "partner assisted" cardio events |
| 13:36.59 | d-lo | ah, so its a mental conditioning thing... gotcha. |
| 13:37.13 | d-lo | hence, 3 kids. |
| 13:37.15 | d-lo | :P |
| 13:37.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 13:37.20 | brlcad | plus just the social aspect of working out with others working out can help sustain that conditioning, get you past the ruts |
| 13:37.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and a vascectomy |
| 13:37.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cool, glad that works for you |
| 13:37.49 | d-lo | great, they just issued a 50mph wind warning.... $5 says I lose power at work :/ |
| 13:38.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i just lost pwr here... alarm at 7-11 just shut off |
| 13:38.20 | brlcad | yeah, I heard that last night .. that should be fun |
| 13:38.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | even the telco RT reset |
| 13:38.29 | brlcad | should have a betting pool on which trees fall |
| 13:38.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | mark 'em w/ different colors of spraypaint like BLM |
| 13:39.08 | d-lo | was having fun doing an obstical course all the way to work. The Jeep Patriot handles much better than he thought! |
| 13:39.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ..."there's only one!" |
| 13:39.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what state is this in, MD? |
| 13:39.48 | d-lo | oh dear... anything fall on the new ride brlcad ? |
| 13:40.03 | d-lo | Dr_Phreakenstein: Damned skippy! Yes, Work in MD, live in PA. |
| 13:40.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | fun |
| 13:40.27 | d-lo | 1 hour commute through Amish country :) |
| 13:40.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | you east coasters are why america uses so much gas |
| 13:40.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ;) |
| 13:40.59 | d-lo | heh. |
| 13:41.02 | d-lo | tell em about it. |
| 13:41.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | things are more spread out here, but we have shorter commutes, go figure |
| 13:41.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | except much of CA |
| 13:41.22 | d-lo | but I wasn't about to drop 2.5x the money for a house just to live in MD. |
| 13:41.29 | d-lo | grew up in AZ. |
| 13:41.37 | d-lo | knows spread out. |
| 13:41.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not to say i blame you at all |
| 13:42.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | just stay away from Maricopa Cty sherrif! |
| 13:42.16 | d-lo | What I bought in PA for $130k was going for $280k(ish) in MD |
| 13:42.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | pink jumpsuits and all |
| 13:42.27 | d-lo | I still have my pinik boxers lol. |
| 13:42.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 13:42.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 13:42.51 | d-lo | "Sherrif Joe busted my ass" on the back... priceless. |
| 13:43.31 | d-lo | If I could work a 100% telework contract with the Government... I'd so be moving back to the west. |
| 13:43.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i could buy a phone booth here for $125K... but it would be advertised as a "cozy... handyman's dream..." |
| 13:43.45 | d-lo | has his eye on Northern Colorado/Wyoming. |
| 13:44.00 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not bad |
| 13:44.10 | d-lo | Prices bad out there then? |
| 13:44.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yes, thanks to Californication |
| 13:44.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and no lumber, thanks Green peace and spotted owl! |
| 13:45.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | not that spotted owl is any different than striped one, just does not get away from chainsaws fast enough |
| 13:45.26 | d-lo | Them Cali's are screwing up AZ too. They are causing the real-estate market to crash and mess my family's investments! (fumes) |
| 13:45.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yup |
| 13:45.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's ok |
| 13:45.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they will be bankrupt and fall into Pacific soon |
| 13:46.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | already halfway there... bankrupt |
| 13:46.47 | d-lo | I new a guy who thought it would be funny if the 'Big One' hit cali and everything east of the fault fell into the Atlantic. |
| 13:47.14 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hmmm... |
| 13:47.19 | d-lo | Murphey would probably laugh his ass of at that one. |
| 13:47.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | he may need to re-examine the atlas before he gets his hopes up |
| 13:48.15 | d-lo | oh thank god.... it finally compiled. Stupid Singleton.... |
| 13:48.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, then nobody to pay high prices for hollywood movies, actors must find productive work now |
| 13:49.21 | d-lo | aint that the truth. Perhaps all the Pro Sports players would get a real job too... but thats just asking too much i suppose. |
| 13:49.53 | d-lo | I suppose that Education will become more important that the NFL about the same time hell freezes over. |
| 13:50.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if then |
| 13:50.59 | ``Erik | were saying 60 on the radio |
| 13:51.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | how much to build new arena? |
| 13:51.28 | d-lo | hopes this building gets damaged.. maybe we can get a new one! |
| 13:51.34 | ``Erik | HAH! |
| 13:51.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | how many schools, teachers, textbooks for that much money |
| 13:51.42 | d-lo | I know... I laughed too. |
| 13:51.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | with obama, you will get at least one |
| 13:52.07 | ``Erik | I'm upstairs because the floor is gonna give, I"d rather fall than be fallen on O.o |
| 13:52.31 | d-lo | not to mention, for that amount of money... you just *might* get a few more students to stop betting their career on Pro Ball and actually prepare for life. |
| 13:52.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | actually, they will have so much money, they will build one, tear it down, then make a new one from granite and gold |
| 13:52.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah |
| 13:52.52 | d-lo | ack, true. theres a big heavy thing over my office too.... |
| 13:53.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hey, stop calling Erik "the big heavy thing over my office" |
| 13:53.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sorry |
| 13:53.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that was bad |
| 13:53.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | did not mean it |
| 13:53.36 | ``Erik | heh, I'm one over, he's talking about dave :D |
| 13:53.39 | d-lo | realizes that armed with this knowledge, Murphy and his laws are putting d-lo at serious risk.... |
| 13:53.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 13:53.58 | ``Erik | pheer the skeery dave on dave action that might happen O.O (or didja mean the safe) |
| 13:54.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what's the diff? |
| 13:54.33 | d-lo | retches and the mere beginnings of the mental picture 'Dave on Dave Action' |
| 13:54.59 | d-lo | Hi, my name is Dave and this is my Co-worker Dave and my other Co-worker Dave. |
| 13:55.08 | d-lo | We work at a freaky cloning factory. |
| 13:55.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | anything like that dude, what's his name... |
| 13:55.26 | ``Erik | passes out mandatory flannel and those earflap hats |
| 13:55.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | rosie o'donnel |
| 13:55.34 | d-lo | lawl. |
| 13:56.03 | d-lo | Mandatory Flannel ...sounds like a punk rock band or the punch line to a really bad joke... |
| 13:56.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ba-dum-che |
| 13:56.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sounds like the hour when the rock stations plays only 90's alternative |
| 13:56.39 | ``Erik | wait, I think dlo just called my wardrobe a really bad joke *sob* |
| 13:56.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... hey, and mine |
| 13:57.01 | d-lo | Rosie is on the list of "People to leave behind when we evacuate Earth during Armageddon" |
| 13:57.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yeah, craft not rated for that payload |
| 13:57.33 | ``Erik | I thought she was on the passenger list for the one we shoot into thte sun, isn't that how simpsons portrayed it? |
| 13:57.38 | d-lo | ``Erik: You play the guitar, right? |
| 13:57.54 | ``Erik | I beat on strings and fake it |
| 13:58.02 | d-lo | Flannel allowed then. |
| 13:58.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | you know a dude named Eric Johnson? |
| 13:58.28 | d-lo | Special Agent Eric Johnson? |
| 13:58.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | think satriani, steve vai |
| 13:58.57 | ``Erik | play a lot of narvarna, alice in chains, soundgarden, ... and I lived in the seattle area from '88 to '96, so I'll pretend I'm allowed to be a throwback :D |
| 13:59.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice! |
| 13:59.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | AIC, "would"... great bassline |
| 13:59.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | simple, but solid |
| 14:00.12 | brlcad | d-lo: there aren't too many trees to worry about in the city, bigger concern are ancient power poles in the alleys |
| 14:01.07 | *** join/#brlcad elite01 (n=omg@unaffiliated/elite01) | |
| 14:01.17 | d-lo | brlcad: Ack... didn't even consider that... forgot that power isn't buried everywhere.... |
| 14:01.29 | d-lo | brlcad: Still have power? |
| 14:01.33 | d-lo | :D |
| 14:01.44 | ``Erik | obviously he doesn't |
| 14:01.45 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:02.09 | d-lo | has his router and modem on a dedicated UPS. :P |
| 14:02.37 | d-lo | sometimes it works... sometimes not. Depends on the ups in the Comcast cabinet down the street. |
| 14:02.58 | ``Erik | heh, yeah, my cable modem, 'server' and wireless router are all on a fairly big consumer grade ups |
| 14:03.39 | d-lo | ``Erik: Hows the cable modem feeling now adays? any better? |
| 14:04.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... in the time it took to ask that, rates increased another $3 |
| 14:04.32 | ``Erik | tracked it down to a specific connection, might clean it and shoot some silly-con or a little oil to fight off corrosion |
| 14:05.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | deoxit |
| 14:05.06 | d-lo | Dr_Phreakenstein: aint that the truth. |
| 14:05.08 | ``Erik | need to clean up my den so I can make the cable company come fix it, probably needs the splitter replaced and upstream cable cut and redone |
| 14:05.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | don't bother... cockcast? |
| 14:05.34 | ``Erik | lacks a coax crimper |
| 14:05.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they will make it worse, if and when they show |
| 14:06.06 | d-lo | i dunno, their rates might be high, but I have had decent luck with the techs that come out. |
| 14:06.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | "tech" |
| 14:06.25 | ``Erik | yeah, I tried to call them out after an 8 hour service failure, soonest they could schedule someone to look at it was 2 weeks away... ended up working again "magically" so I never bothered |
| 14:06.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | as in 6 grueling hours of how to say "I dunno, but it will cost more... and save you money, somehow" |
| 14:07.13 | ``Erik | amusingly, I could probably drop off all my gear and cancel my service on the way in to work, call, and have a tech out to install stuff when I get home. but fixing something for someone already paying? 2 weeks. |
| 14:07.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | cancel that auto debit |
| 14:07.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they will be more responsive |
| 14:07.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no joke |
| 14:08.30 | ``Erik | heh, never bought into that, I don't like the notion of people taking money from me without letting me audit and approve first |
| 14:09.11 | d-lo | well, i have heard of *some* people who call in and cancel service knowing that they probably won't get around to turning it off for a few months... at which point they call back in and turn it on again. gets a few free months out of it... |
| 14:09.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | usually only works for tv part |
| 14:10.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and then they may never actually unhook phys connection |
| 14:10.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | someone like me, but legally distinct from me told a funny story |
| 14:10.41 | ``Erik | they usually don't, houses have pretty much all come pre-wired for cable for the last 25 years |
| 14:10.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | "he" used to live in a 104 unit apt complex... |
| 14:11.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | convinced all neighbors to disconnect cable service |
| 14:11.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | then reconnected them |
| 14:11.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | got them to chip in for replacement locks for boxes... |
| 14:12.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, bought bolt cutters from Home Depot, used them for project, and returned them when done |
| 14:12.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that guy is great! |
| 14:12.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | figured if nobody started/stopped service, they would never come out |
| 14:12.53 | d-lo | Well, there is a fine line between being economical and being flat out cheap :D Good story though. |
| 14:13.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 14:13.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that may be worse than cheap, but hey, those guys had it coming |
| 14:13.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sometimes ya gotta enforce a little karma yourself |
| 14:14.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | don't remember his name... |
| 14:15.17 | d-lo | i'm sure :) |
| 14:16.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 14:18.25 | d-lo | brlcad: Do you remember what the difference is between pkg_conn.pkc_inbuf and pkg_conn.pkc_buf ? |
| 14:19.51 | brlcad | not off the top of my head |
| 14:19.59 | d-lo | kk |
| 14:27.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | goodnight, kids |
| 14:27.48 | ``Erik | later |
| 14:27.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | be safe at work, and watch out for falling daves, safes, and powerlines |
| 14:28.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | rember, US plugs are dangerous! |
| 14:28.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | remember |
| 14:29.35 | d-lo | as my Basic Electricity Instructor always said: 60Hz?!? Why yes it does! |
| 14:29.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 14:30.45 | starseeker | estimates his car's wind profile and decides to risk it... |
| 14:31.42 | d-lo | geek |
| 14:31.43 | d-lo | :) |
| 14:31.55 | ``Erik | heh, I'd heard at some point that the big safety problem with the US power grid was more about the frequency, but it may've been damn swede propoganda |
| 14:32.31 | ``Erik | the wind barely effected me on the way in, the suvs and trucks didn't seem bothered, either |
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| 14:38.49 | ``Erik | contemplaes the next code hackery to inflict |
| 14:39.37 | d-lo | options? |
| 14:39.37 | ``Erik | uhm, mostly isst shtuff |
| 14:39.37 | d-lo | right, but what parts are on the chopping block? |
| 14:40.05 | ``Erik | local library linking (getting rid of distributed and the networking overhead)? conversion to libpkg for distributed? arsing out the cut feature? resizable windows? elimination of the mysql dependancy? |
| 14:40.32 | d-lo | I would go with the pibpkg thing :) |
| 14:40.36 | d-lo | libpkg even. |
| 14:40.44 | ``Erik | only so you'd have someone to ask questions of O.o :> |
| 14:41.06 | d-lo | that and see another implementation of it to draw exp from :) |
| 14:41.16 | d-lo | either way, its purely selfish :) |
| 14:41.19 | ``Erik | hrm, the tpkg.c thing isn't useful enough? |
| 14:42.07 | d-lo | its been a huge help, but hasn't answered all my q's. |
| 14:42.50 | d-lo | I R Newb, 'member? |
| 14:43.18 | ``Erik | surspects that with recent workstations, distributed is actually a slowdown for isst, it runs awfully snappy with all 3 components running on the workstation, with the overhead of all thsoe packet copies and the compression/decompession of it all |
| 14:44.43 | d-lo | well, if you are already operating at the far right of 'the curve' then yeah, no reason for distributed. |
| 14:48.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33750 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/slave.c: comment on a noticed crash, will deal with it later. |
| 15:02.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33751 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (9 files in 3 dirs): move geometry loading stuff from slave/ to libtienet/ |
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| 15:37.39 | d-lo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.45 | ``Erik | uhm, doesn't orbit have something to do that? or libidl? |
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| 15:40.59 | d-lo | dunno :) I want something simple, lgpl and portable |
| 15:42.30 | ``Erik | <-- has only bothered with uuids in java, they seem like a using thermobaric when a pistol would suffice most of the time O.o |
| 15:43.40 | d-lo | well, I want to make it as simple as the Java implementation... but If i have to generate all 128 bits randomly, then so be it. Just don't know much about random seeding and predictability on computers. |
| 15:43.58 | ``Erik | seeding is just a number, random is not |
| 15:44.04 | brlquestions | Hi everybody ! |
| 15:44.36 | ``Erik | but if you hash the hostname (or a mac address), time and semirandom, it should be good |
| 15:45.14 | ``Erik | hrm, libuuid is part of e2fsprogs |
| 15:45.26 | d-lo | exactly. If its not as simple as randomly taking 128 bytes, then I might as well find a simple lib rather than recreate the wheel. |
| 15:45.33 | d-lo | yeah saw that one. |
| 15:45.52 | ``Erik | the versions are explicitely defined |
| 15:46.08 | d-lo | right, I just want type 4 (Random) |
| 15:47.53 | d-lo | nm, OSSP looks like a solid choice. thanks! |
| 15:50.21 | ``Erik | ah, mit license, cool beans |
| 15:51.50 | brlquestions | working on a brute force fillet ... CPU about to burn ! |
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| 18:20.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33752 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (glob.c qray.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 18:20.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Problem with MGED starting up was due to errors getting returned by ged commands |
| 18:20.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: if a database was not open, despite this being a valid state to attempt |
| 18:20.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: commands. The fix is two-fold. First, glob.c has had its logic for checking on |
| 18:20.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: the state of the database moved to where it actually needs it - the regexp |
| 18:20.25 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: matching part. Second, if the wdbp is null return OK, and do this BEFORE the |
| 18:20.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: database open check. It may be that some libged commands will need to make the |
| 18:25.46 | starseeker | so far, opendb will successfully open a file but I don't get the background color update specified in the .mgedrc file. However, I do get the settings imported into the color preferences panel and can successfully apply them |
| 18:26.36 | starseeker | I guess this makes sense - if the user locally overrides the bkg color you don't want it switching everytime a new file is opened |
| 18:27.05 | starseeker | wonder if there should be a special case for no file previously opened |
| 18:42.21 | starseeker | brlcad: "gets" man page? |
| 18:44.00 | starseeker | you mean the Tcl gets command? |
| 18:44.29 | brlcad | yes |
| 18:44.34 | brlcad | man n gets |
| 18:45.07 | starseeker | do I set up a standard tcl file handler and use that then? |
| 18:45.17 | brlcad | pretty sure that problem is due to our gets replacement that handles the stdin redirect, and it may just be logic that didn't get migrated to ged |
| 18:46.37 | brlcad | sorry, mac manual page doesn't have the example -- this: http://tmml.sourceforge.net/doc/tcl/gets.html |
| 18:46.38 | starseeker | the gets manpage here has no example - is there another somewhere? |
| 18:46.43 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 18:47.21 | brlcad | basically that exact example won't work |
| 18:47.29 | brlcad | and of course it should :) |
| 18:47.37 | starseeker | all rightie... |
| 18:47.39 | brlcad | it's not a tcl problem, it's because we replace gets |
| 18:47.48 | brlcad | so we're doing something wrong |
| 18:47.50 | starseeker | with ged_get? |
| 18:47.54 | brlcad | dunno |
| 18:48.00 | brlcad | might be tcl-only in stc/tclscripts |
| 18:48.55 | starseeker | hmm |
| 18:49.28 | brlcad | check ged/mged first |
| 18:56.36 | brlcad | example: [morrison@ocho (Thu Feb 12 13:54:26) ~]$ brlcad-config --libs bu |
| 18:56.37 | brlcad | -L/usr/brlcad/rel-7.12.6/lib -lbu -ltcl8.5 -Xlinker -framework CoreFoundation -lpng -lm -lpthread |
| 18:57.03 | brlcad | [morrison@ocho (Thu Feb 12 13:54:40) ~]$ brlcad-config --ldflags bu |
| 18:57.03 | brlcad | -L/usr/brlcad/rel-7.12.6/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -Wl,-search_paths_first -Wnewline-eof -g -O3 |
| 19:05.08 | starseeker | brlcad: is your error "can't read "line": no such variable ? |
| 19:07.38 | brlcad | yep |
| 19:07.49 | brlcad | or it'll crash, can get a couple things |
| 19:08.26 | brlcad | might just need an "upvar $varname" |
| 19:12.00 | starseeker | there's an upvar $args vname |
| 19:18.25 | starseeker | interesting - works in -c mode |
| 19:20.11 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.06 | starseeker | eh? |
| 19:21.28 | starseeker | what happened? |
| 19:21.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33753 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (74 files): remove executable property from .c files. |
| 19:21.47 | starseeker | ah - I was wondering about that |
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| 19:29.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33754 10/rt^3/trunk/ (31 files in 3 dirs): added a simple uuid generation library from OSSP (http://www.ossp.org) |
| 19:33.30 | d-lo | hi mafm! |
| 19:43.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33755 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/text.tcl: Add upvar for incoming variable so gets functions as expected on mged command line. |
| 19:44.36 | starseeker | brlcad: you called it - just took me a bit to figure out how to use it and test |
| 19:44.42 | brlcad | cool |
| 19:45.19 | starseeker | mged -c and mged work very differently in some ways, don't they |
| 19:46.30 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33756 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: Take gets bug off of todo list - may have already fixed the File->Open but need to confirm on more machines. |
| 19:50.34 | louipc | If jove is deprecated should it be disabled by default? |
| 19:58.00 | brlcad | starseeker: yep |
| 19:58.02 | brlcad | louipc: meh |
| 19:58.54 | starseeker | brlcad: File-Open is fixed? |
| 19:58.57 | brlcad | in the sake of being completely self-contained, I think we should still provide 'some' minimal editor .. just not jove |
| 19:59.04 | brlcad | maybe an old version of vi |
| 19:59.21 | louipc | ah hehe |
| 19:59.38 | brlcad | but that'd be pointless until I get a terminal ported anyways |
| 19:59.51 | brlcad | starseeker: don't know |
| 20:00.05 | brlcad | i'm working on something else |
| 20:00.24 | louipc | there aren't any plans to deprecate mged -c are there? |
| 20:01.24 | starseeker | brlcad: what's yep? |
| 20:01.47 | starseeker | oh, the mged remark? |
| 20:02.04 | ``Erik | likes mged -c, but would like jove to be removed sooner than later :) |
| 20:02.19 | louipc | yeah |
| 20:05.09 | ``Erik | what's a good svn post-commit hook? the included one keeps failing with no useful message |
| 20:05.58 | starseeker | we could always use the original vi from 4BSD :-) |
| 20:06.38 | starseeker | thinks it would be cruel and unusual punishment for folks used to jove though |
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| 20:06.59 | d-lo | MUWAHAHAHA |
| 20:07.50 | ``Erik | ed, damnit. |
| 20:08.23 | d-lo | Ed is down here talking to Bob. |
| 20:08.33 | ``Erik | /bin/ed |
| 20:08.43 | d-lo | =D |
| 20:09.04 | ``Erik | "I used ed to edit files. Ed, go write me my files." |
| 20:09.22 | louipc | yeah I dunno, I think editors are widespread enough that you shouldn't need to ship one with your software, unless there's a particular need for that editor |
| 20:09.38 | d-lo | I think Ed needs a new sign on his door: "/bin/ed" |
| 20:09.51 | ``Erik | we need to have one in our 'special' list to launch stuff like red and oed and those |
| 20:10.16 | d-lo | ``Erik: so, basicly, brlcad needs /special/ed ? |
| 20:10.23 | d-lo | :) |
| 20:10.31 | louipc | ``Erik: a guaranteed fallback? |
| 20:11.16 | ``Erik | ed is the guaranteed fallback ... :D src/mged/tedit.c |
| 20:11.23 | louipc | haha it is |
| 20:11.54 | ``Erik | will just delete that annoying emacs line and make it all better O:-) |
| 20:13.43 | ``Erik | hrm, on the bsd's, emacs and vim tend to live in /usr/local/bin O.o wonder if that should be done to have a set of paths and programs and permute them, instead of singly hard coding that |
| 20:14.24 | louipc | yeah probably |
| 20:14.36 | ``Erik | having /usr/bin/emacs and /usr/bin/vim seems a little wrong to me :D like leenewx weenies who have never done critical system recovery and don't know about partitions |
| 20:15.22 | louipc | we use live cds |
| 20:15.28 | louipc | :D |
| 20:15.39 | ``Erik | my cd's are all inorganic, so, uh, dead |
| 20:18.44 | louipc | hmm this could be a replacement candidate http://www.bostic.com/vi/ |
| 20:19.08 | brlcad | louipc: heaven's no |
| 20:19.23 | brlcad | mged -c is here to stay for probably as long as there is an mged |
| 20:19.42 | brlcad | starseeker: that's actually what I was thinking of re old vi |
| 20:19.44 | louipc | brlcad: ok good to hear |
| 20:20.59 | brlcad | louipc: the point of shipping one is really "just in case" there isn't a system editor (extreme portability, embedded environments, new platforms, etc) |
| 20:22.12 | brlcad | or on the off chance that it's a system that doesn't have things properly configured, we do something sensible other than something stupid like Can't open display: |
| 20:22.36 | brlcad | X11 being particularly notorious for horrible messages |
| 20:25.41 | brlcad | ``Erik: it is wrong, none should be listed -- but jove makes for a horrible default and letting it search PATH would be a security weakness |
| 20:28.29 | louipc | nice. that vi ^ is smaller than nano |
| 20:29.21 | ``Erik | oh, nvi, that's the one included in the bsd's for /usr/bin/vi |
| 20:30.02 | ``Erik | almost 71000 lines, ed is 3500 |
| 20:30.11 | louipc | haha |
| 20:31.22 | d-lo | Ed is rather touchy about that, so just keep your voice down. |
| 20:38.42 | ``Erik | vim weighs in at 264,291, and emacs at 1,166,933 |
| 20:39.51 | brlcad | interestingly, vim is well past the point at which folks used to complain about emacs' size back in the 90's |
| 20:39.56 | ``Erik | hrm, I did vim with sloccount, which eliminates blank lines and stuff, ed scores 2750 and 45,326 when I use the same metric |
| 20:40.14 | ``Erik | nvi 45k |
| 20:40.23 | ``Erik | eight megs and constantly swapping? |
| 20:40.32 | starseeker | plots to include nvi quietly one night... |
| 20:40.33 | brlcad | thinks ``Erik should write a drupal sloccount plugin for the website |
| 20:40.37 | louipc | :D |
| 20:41.00 | starseeker | brlcad: How much longer before we can strip out jove altogether? |
| 20:41.10 | ``Erik | heh, I have to fix my svn mail hook first, and do that command for mged O.o |
| 20:41.43 | brlcad | starseeker: see doc/deprecation.txt |
| 20:43.31 | louipc | looong time |
| 20:43.35 | brlcad | thinks we should have a little "vgr" login widget on the website ala cgi:irc where you could log onto a simh session |
| 20:44.07 | ``Erik | indeed |
| 20:44.12 | brlcad | basically around 7.22 |
| 20:44.51 | ``Erik | I was kinda thinking.. mebbe it should spawn a fresh instance for every user and let htem have root on a temp copy of the disk i mage |
| 20:44.59 | brlcad | yeah |
| 20:45.19 | brlcad | actually a whole lot harder to do anything but root probably |
| 20:45.30 | ``Erik | plus a hell of a lot more boring |
| 20:45.42 | starseeker | grumbles a little about having to leave jove in so long when it can't handle files we might need it to... |
| 20:45.46 | starseeker | oh, well |
| 20:45.53 | brlcad | another interesting one would be a web-based mged where your command prompt would send commands to an "mged -c" instance |
| 20:47.27 | louipc | attach (nu|X|ogl|web)[nu]? |
| 20:47.36 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:53.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33757 10/brlcad/trunk/ (AUTHORS include/raytrace.h src/librt/db_comb.c): |
| 20:53.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: add a new rt_comb_get_color() routine to librt that returns the color for a |
| 20:53.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: given combination. this change comes inspired by a code snippet contribution |
| 20:53.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: from Van Hoa Le (SAIC) that was using a similar routine for their purposes. |
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| 21:25.24 | ``Erik | *grump* |
| 21:33.38 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33758 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/raytrace.h src/librt/db_comb.c): oops, sry bob et al. fix typo and sig to unbreak the build |
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| 22:07.53 | ``Erik | wow that's slow |
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| 22:38.46 | brlcad | ``Erik: fix normals should probably be rewritten |
| 22:39.00 | brlcad | it's presently an O(n^3) algorithm (or worse) |
| 23:00.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33759 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): beginnings of nmg_fix_normals mged cmd |
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| 00:17.32 | ``Erik | ho hum |
| 00:22.53 | Ralith | hum ho |
| 00:25.42 | ``Erik | hum, ho, hum! |
| 00:25.44 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:26.26 | Ralith | ho, hum, ho? |
| 00:26.28 | Ralith | :x |
| 00:31.42 | starseeker | huh? |
| 00:34.59 | ``Erik | no, you're supposed to hum, not huh |
| 00:34.59 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:35.01 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 00:35.57 | starseeker | heh |
| 00:38.32 | starseeker | really really really needs to merge sed/oed |
| 00:54.40 | ``Erik | blargh, in-memory presistence is something beyond a lot of web language/frameworks capabilities it seems :/ |
| 00:56.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33760 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (14 files): Add remainder of editing commands to tcl based regression testing |
| 01:05.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33761 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (Makefile.am kill.mged killall.mged killtree.mged mged.tcl): Add kill commands |
| 01:47.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33762 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (28 files): Add view commands to tcl based regression testing. |
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| 04:16.42 | starseeker | grr - I still get the file dialog failure |
| 04:16.51 | starseeker | got some debugging on it this time though |
| 04:17.45 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m50b34840 |
| 04:21.19 | starseeker | brlcad: would BRL-CAD be involved with that pointer being null somehow, or is this a Tk<->X11 issue? |
| 04:21.43 | starseeker | tests 7.12.6 |
| 04:22.33 | starseeker | it does NOT happen in 7.12.6 |
| 04:22.43 | starseeker | alright, this is officially STRANGE |
| 04:23.58 | starseeker | wait... |
| 04:24.07 | starseeker | me recompiles 7.12.6 with this version of Xorg |
| 04:25.44 | Dr_Phreakenstein | what file dialog failure? |
| 04:26.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | other tk programs have lately taken to crashing upon attempts to select and open files |
| 04:29.17 | ``Erik | checks out clozure |
| 04:43.46 | starseeker | Dr_Phreakenstein: precisely what I'm seeing |
| 04:44.04 | starseeker | any bug filed that we can track? |
| 05:15.44 | brlcad | starseeker: should have continued the bt to see the rest of the stack |
| 05:16.22 | brlcad | it conceivably could be a bug with the new ttk layer, but not as likely as something on our end |
| 05:16.28 | louipc | starseeker: mged on r33756 works for me! |
| 05:22.33 | starseeker | brlcad: I have the full bt, hang on... |
| 05:23.14 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m65ddbd44 |
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| 11:05.19 | brlquestions | Hi everybody ! |
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| 12:41.09 | starseeker | brlcad: It's either tcl/tk specific or something at the btclsh level |
| 12:41.28 | starseeker | brlcad: using the test code from here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1863942&group_id=12997&atid=112997 |
| 12:41.41 | starseeker | straight up in btclsh, I get the same segmentation fault |
| 12:45.31 | starseeker | however, in 7.12.6, also in btclsh, on the same machine, the same minimal test code works |
| 12:51.07 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6bdffd96 |
| 12:53.13 | starseeker | according to svn, neither our tcl nor our tk has had a change applied since Nov 2008 |
| 12:56.43 | starseeker | shudders to think that the problem might predate that but grabs 7.14.0 to test |
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| 13:24.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r33763 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/CMakeLists.txt: added nmg_fix_normals.c to be in sync with Makefile.am |
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| 13:26.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r33764 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db5_io.c: corrected direction of a memcpy (rt_db_put_internal for in-memory databases) |
| 13:29.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r33765 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/brlcad/Object.h src/coreInterface/Database.cpp): clean-up of db_i handling (this should not change anything) |
| 13:34.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r33766 10/rt^3/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:34.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: added the half-space object |
| 13:34.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: (it is simple and well suited to test some basic concepts) |
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| 13:42.24 | starseeker | growls in disbelief as 7.14.0 refuses to compile on his box |
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| 14:45.37 | starseeker | 7.14.0 fails too |
| 14:45.39 | starseeker | wow |
| 14:50.54 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm beginning to suspect it's related to that generic event patch, but testing it will take a while on this box |
| 14:51.01 | starseeker | OK, coming in |
| 14:55.12 | brlcad | starseeker: which patch? |
| 14:55.44 | louipc | starseeker: I had a problem building 7.14.0 too |
| 14:55.52 | brlcad | louipc: oh? |
| 14:55.54 | louipc | try using: SC_PATH_TCLCONFIG=-- ./configure --with-tcl=/usr/lib |
| 14:56.19 | louipc | yeah that fixed it |
| 14:56.48 | brlcad | what does SC_PATH_TCLCONFIG=-- do? |
| 14:56.56 | brlcad | aside from the obvious |
| 14:57.27 | brlcad | suspects starseeker actually ran off |
| 14:57.33 | brlcad | d_rossberg: nice example |
| 14:57.46 | louipc | hmm I forget |
| 15:01.20 | louipc | brlcad: oh I think the configure script didn't have --with-tcl enabled which could have been solved by running autogen again |
| 15:08.34 | d_rossberg | brlcad: isn't it :) next i try to add an object to the database |
| 15:10.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1208 10/wiki/Animation: start the animation tutorial with the example that lee butler sent to the mailing list in march 2006 |
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| 15:27.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Erik 07http://brlcad.org * r1209 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Tutorials */ add animation. sort. |
| 15:49.25 | starseeker | brlcad: the patch to tkBind.c |
| 15:50.02 | starseeker | that was the solution for newer Xorg versions causing Tk to fail - or rather, it was the first round solution |
| 15:50.12 | starseeker | it looks like it was NOT the solution they ultimately went with |
| 15:52.03 | starseeker | Er, no correction |
| 15:52.18 | starseeker | the newest one is from the gentoo ebuild tracker |
| 15:52.35 | starseeker | sigh |
| 15:52.53 | starseeker | I've got a test build going at home with 8.5.6 just to see if it works |
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| 16:06.53 | ``Erik | *think* |
| 16:10.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: are you authorized to think? |
| 16:12.53 | ``Erik | not on duty at the moment, I'm allowed to try new things when I'm off :D |
| 16:13.00 | starseeker | ah |
| 16:13.13 | ``Erik | rdo+holiday == 4 day weekend, w00t |
| 16:13.13 | starseeker | tries to think why a build would fail with |
| 16:13.16 | starseeker | regex.h:138: error: parse error before 're_void' |
| 16:13.26 | ``Erik | something before re_void didn't parse |
| 16:13.53 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.53 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.01 | ``Erik | I've noticed new regex.h fighting on the mac, not sure why |
| 16:14.08 | starseeker | oh no, not again |
| 16:14.10 | ``Erik | what's __REG_VOID_T defined as? |
| 16:14.18 | starseeker | not sure |
| 16:14.28 | ``Erik | gcc -E |
| 16:14.40 | ``Erik | or start grepping |
| 16:14.54 | starseeker | in that file it's supposed to be undefed if deffed |
| 16:14.58 | starseeker | er defed |
| 16:15.07 | ``Erik | typedef NULL re_void; might not go so well |
| 16:15.13 | starseeker | crap gotta run |
| 16:15.33 | starseeker | bbl |
| 16:15.37 | ``Erik | hasta |
| 16:15.56 | starseeker | this is standard tcl 8.5.6 with no mods - wouldn't expect their regex.h to be foobared... |
| 16:22.52 | ``Erik | mebbe not, but it may conflict weird with the system regex.h (that they called theirs regex.h is fubar, frankly) |
| 16:36.49 | ``Erik | bleh, they changed slime |
| 16:46.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33767 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/proe-g.c: ws and style consistency cleanup |
| 17:10.52 | ``Erik | gets the impression _sushi_ is looking for a match on a painted up vw minibus O.o |
| 17:14.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1210 10/wiki/Animation: extensive rewrite and expansion of how to create an animation |
| 17:16.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1211 10/wiki/Main_Page: stray ] |
| 17:16.15 | ``Erik | thinks it'd be neat to have keyframe and bezier path spline information in the .g file :D |
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| 18:05.21 | brlcad | omg, this is hilarious (NSFW) .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5sTBrs4fhQ |
| 18:07.19 | ``Erik | O.o heh, condom balloon animal orgy, pheer |
| 18:08.24 | archivist | good one! |
| 18:09.05 | ``Erik | hah, they did outtakes, even |
| 18:35.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33768 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: While I agree with this sentiment regarding Windows, this bit of artwork does not belong here. |
| 18:38.49 | brlcad | aww |
| 19:13.43 | starseeker | why is proe-g.c pulling in the tcl regex? grr |
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| 20:32.17 | brlcad | starseeker: any progress? |
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| 21:31.40 | brlcad | oh, now that is too cool |
| 21:31.44 | brlcad | http://imagebin.ca/view/QO3itGqg.html |
| 21:32.03 | brlcad | done by three high school girls in spain for a class assignment |
| 21:32.17 | brlcad | er, portugal |
| 22:41.35 | starseeker | brlcad: not yet |
| 22:41.49 | starseeker | been working on other odds and ends |
| 22:42.53 | starseeker | same regex failure on linux with 8.5.6 thoygh |
| 22:43.02 | brlcad | might want to check out the history in src/other/tcl |
| 22:43.32 | brlcad | recall there being a couple header edits for previous revisions, don't know if those have to be preserved when bundled |
| 22:43.38 | starseeker | ah |
| 22:43.48 | starseeker | takes a look |
| 22:44.23 | ``Erik | yes, they do, and I forget which header |
| 22:44.42 | ``Erik | if the package gets updated, a line has to be added or the regex errors come back :( |
| 22:55.58 | brlcad | someone(tm) should push a fix upstream so they fix their regexness |
| 22:59.14 | ``Erik | 2000 seconds left |
| 23:07.21 | brlcad | oh right |
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| 23:10.40 | starseeker | brlcad: would they pay attention to me? I'd love to not have to worry about this :-) |
| 23:13.41 | brlcad | if the patch made sense, sure |
| 23:14.46 | brlcad | they'll probably bitch about being embedded and saying it's a problem with the CPPFLAGS (which would be partially true), but if the fix doesn't hurt their build they'd probably apply it |
| 23:17.42 | starseeker | ``Erik: were the header edits made within the context of svn or were they made before the update was committed? |
| 23:18.07 | starseeker | is looking at the log of src/other/tcl back to r27734... |
| 23:19.46 | ``Erik | um, I'm sure I patched it as its own item at some point |
| 23:20.38 | ``Erik | 28466 |
| 23:20.47 | ``Erik | in generic/ |
| 23:20.51 | starseeker | ah - thanks |
| 23:22.07 | ``Erik | hm, it's still in there |
| 23:22.19 | starseeker | in the tree? yeah |
| 23:22.24 | starseeker | I'm testing before committing |
| 23:22.30 | starseeker | I haven't touched trunk |
| 23:22.59 | starseeker | bingo, build continuing |
| 23:23.49 | starseeker | ``Erik, brlcad: thanks! |
| 23:24.07 | ``Erik | np |
| 23:24.14 | starseeker | brlcad: would upstream accept that include? |
| 23:26.12 | starseeker | must remember to grab bob's fix for large parsing too... |
| 23:29.51 | brlcad | don't recall what the fix was |
| 23:30.42 | ``Erik | adding a #include "./tclInt.h" to regex.h |
| 23:32.13 | brlcad | ah, right |
| 23:32.54 | ``Erik | we just passed magic time |
| 23:46.40 | starseeker | coool :-) |
| 23:47.08 | ``Erik | is suprised there was no /wall |
| 23:48.52 | starseeker | figures given how long ago that fix was applied someone probably tried it and got turned down... |
| 23:49.08 | ``Erik | *sigh* in the beginnig was sccs, and it was. Then came rcs, and it was better. Then came CVS, and all was good. Then came svn... eh. Then came darcs, mecurial, git, etc and now it's all fucked up |
| 23:49.25 | starseeker | what happened? |
| 23:49.44 | ``Erik | well, I want to install a couple small lisp libraries |
| 23:49.54 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 23:49.57 | ``Erik | but the community seems to have decided that making releases sucks |
| 23:50.02 | ``Erik | "just use the repo" |
| 23:50.04 | ``Erik | ... |
| 23:50.17 | ``Erik | so now I'm installing too much shit for a small libraries small dependancy |
| 23:50.20 | starseeker | woooooooooot - 8.5.6 works without segfaulting on the file open dialog |
| 23:50.53 | brlcad | excellent |
| 23:51.03 | starseeker | loads tire and raytraces it... |
| 23:51.23 | ``Erik | sorry, brlcad, your new server is getting git installed :( |
| 23:51.30 | brlcad | meh |
| 23:51.31 | starseeker | and is again made painfully aware of how much his system sucks compared to the SuperMacs |
| 23:52.17 | ``Erik | yeah, but you went through all the trouble of installing the 387 yourself just to speed it up, it'd be a waste to ditch it now ;) |
| 23:52.54 | starseeker | hehe |
| 23:53.12 | starseeker | annnnnd... archer still dislikes me as much as ever |
| 23:53.49 | starseeker | unknown option "-menu" |
| 23:54.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: what's the best procedure for upgrading tcl/tk - svn del everything and add in the new, copy it over and update,... ? |
| 23:55.17 | brlcad | merge it in |
| 23:55.46 | starseeker | right, but to make sure I clear out un-used files and add in files not in currently... |
| 23:55.54 | brlcad | svn add the new files, svn delete the removed files, commit the whole thing as one step |
| 23:55.57 | ``Erik | um, I untarred tcl/tk into a tmp directory, did a find to build a manifest, plus a manifest of the existing stuff, copied it all over, diffed the two manifests to see what to do |
| 23:56.05 | starseeker | got it |
| 23:56.09 | ``Erik | finding the removed files is the part I think he's asking about |
| 23:56.26 | brlcad | yeah, diff the trees |
| 23:57.11 | brlcad | after you copy it all over, the new stuff is easily identified if your build dir was clean to start with -- no unknown files, so anything unknown is a new file |
| 23:57.17 | brlcad | do the diff, and it'll say what to remove |
| 23:57.34 | starseeker | all rightie |
| 23:57.59 | starseeker | smacks self on forehead as he just realizes he built in-tree after all that trouble to set up building out of tree... |
| 23:58.00 | brlcad | i think there's maybe even a way to make "svn merge" do the work for you, but never tried it |
| 23:58.16 | brlcad | distclean ftw |
| 23:59.13 | starseeker | ah, right |
| 00:05.37 | brlcad | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m1b503188 |
| 00:05.47 | brlcad | problem is apparently at least one of those lines |
| 00:06.16 | starseeker | hmm |
| 00:06.21 | brlcad | the tcl backtrace should say which |
| 00:06.50 | starseeker | is it just my system or does someone else see it? |
| 00:07.06 | starseeker | will track it down after merging updates |
| 00:07.16 | brlcad | don't get it here |
| 00:12.43 | ``Erik | opening files is for wussies |
| 00:29.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33769 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (357 files in 37 dirs): Update tcl/tk to version 8.5.6 - attempted to retain fixes to regex.h for build issues and tclIO.c for exceeding maxint |
| 00:29.21 | starseeker | now the check - fresh checkout and build |
| 00:29.37 | ``Erik | kept meaning to upgrade tcl/tk in the repo, but kept having other crap to do :D |
| 00:37.04 | smurfette | who wants to listen to me dj and request music? :D |
| 00:40.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33770 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tclIO.c: Oops - that's maxint, not maxInt |
| 00:46.43 | starseeker | smurfette: sorry, gotta run to dinner :-/ |
| 00:53.41 | ``Erik | a likely story O.o |
| 00:58.11 | ``Erik | *snrkt* "I B M U B M We all B M for I B M!" |
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| 01:38.03 | brlcad | starseeker: does the edit menu work for you in mged? |
| 01:38.18 | brlcad | in solid edit mode |
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| 02:22.32 | ``Erik | william shatner just keeps getting creepier and creepier O.o |
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| 03:05.40 | starseeker | brlcad: seems to for pipe |
| 03:06.00 | starseeker | where are you seeing failure? |
| 03:16.43 | starseeker | brlcad: how does one get gdb going on archer? or some other debug tool? |
| 04:07.42 | brlcad | starseeker: archer would actually be prime for the tcl debugger from activestate (non-free, commercial), but you can also debug via running tclsh through gdb .. or using print statements |
| 04:08.06 | brlcad | recommends the latter |
| 04:08.35 | brlcad | puts "HERE1" ... etc as you search closer and closer |
| 04:19.14 | ``Erik | nice http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1900011 guy steals everything but the zune (even steals the headphones off the zune) |
| 04:20.01 | Ralith | hey brlcad |
| 04:20.08 | Ralith | or well |
| 04:20.13 | Ralith | anyone |
| 04:20.19 | Ralith | ever seen a __gnu_cxx::__concurrence_lock_error before? |
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| 05:01.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33771 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/tclscripts/mged/edit_solid.tcl): |
| 05:01.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: and here I thought I'd already tested and committed this fix for 7.14.0 but |
| 05:01.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: apparently never did. this is a fix that makes the Primitive Editor work again |
| 05:01.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: without popping up an error about the switch statement having a problem. it's a |
| 05:01.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: stupidity in switch that can't handle comments between the case blocks. someone |
| 05:01.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: reported this but I can't find a reference to it anywhere atm. |
| 05:07.33 | ``Erik | this guys logic is effin' awesome |
| 05:07.41 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1790237 |
| 05:09.07 | brlcad | Ralith: sorry, can't say that I have |
| 05:09.18 | brlcad | sounds like maybe a rather new gcc bug |
| 05:21.00 | Ralith | seems like it |
| 05:21.27 | Ralith | I'm getting it from any binaries built with -lOgreMain |
| 05:21.39 | Ralith | even hello world |
| 05:29.09 | ``Erik | american history is awesome http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1900402 |
| 07:02.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33772 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: looks like the mged Open->File bug is fixed, but it still fails to initialize mged something awful. |
| 07:05.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33773 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: cliff has the task of exhaustive mged testing close enough to done to call it done as a release task. |
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| 07:34.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33774 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/ged.c libged/qray.c mged/mged.c): |
| 07:34.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: fix some of the initialization and shutdown problems including the qray vls one. |
| 07:34.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: the problem was a set of pointers in the gedp that were getting freed/closed but |
| 07:34.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: weren't being set to null so the second use of that gedp erroneously would try |
| 07:34.49 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: to use the old pointer (and crash). |
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| 17:54.04 | starseeker | eyes RamDebugger http://www.compassis.com/ramdebugger/ |
| 17:54.25 | starseeker | brlcad: Is that tool not terribly helpful for us? |
| 17:55.08 | brlcad | never tried that one |
| 17:56.41 | brlcad | frankly just haven't really needed a tcl/tk debugger to date given the relatively low frequency of tcl-specific errors and the speed at which I can usually track down the few tcl-specific ones using manual methods |
| 17:56.49 | brlcad | but give it a try |
| 17:56.53 | brlcad | it won't help with mged |
| 17:57.01 | brlcad | at least I'd be surprised |
| 17:57.15 | brlcad | archer is another story, though |
| 18:06.19 | starseeker | is interested for archer |
| 18:07.18 | starseeker | and rtwizard, for that matter... |
| 18:07.46 | starseeker | brlcad: Would the plan be to put archer's UI logic on top of the "tcl in C" setup that mged has? |
| 18:08.29 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:08.29 | starseeker | growl... I can get wish running RamDebugger, but bwish is another story. |
| 18:08.40 | starseeker | brlcad: Ah, no matter then |
| 18:08.59 | brlcad | bwish is just wish with a bunch of initialization |
| 18:09.09 | brlcad | you could do the initialization manually if you had to |
| 18:10.08 | starseeker | would need to get tile, tklib, and a couple other tcl/tk packages into bwish, probably... |
| 18:10.49 | starseeker | although tile should be in there, come to think of it |
| 18:11.02 | starseeker | yep hmm |
| 18:12.47 | starseeker | the others are there too |
| 18:12.52 | starseeker | oh, I see it now... |
| 18:12.58 | starseeker | Error in startup script: unknown option "-sticky" |
| 18:31.16 | starseeker | wonders what itk_initialize wants now that it didn't want before... |
| 18:42.15 | louipc | wooops |
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| 23:01.47 | starseeker | brlcad: our Itcl and Itk are reporting version 3.4, but I only see 3.3 on the website - do we have a dev version? |
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| 23:11.14 | brlcad | i believe so |
| 23:11.23 | brlcad | pretty much 3.3 plus a couple fixes |
| 23:11.28 | starseeker | hmm |
| 23:12.04 | starseeker | is a tad puzzled as to what could cause RamDebugger to fail in bwish |
| 23:29.31 | starseeker | wait - perhaps it's incompatible with itk?? |
| 23:31.51 | starseeker | blinks |
| 23:34.14 | starseeker | brlcad: the pkgIndex.tcl file in /usr/brlcad-svn/lib/itcl3.4 lists /usr/brlcad-svn/lib/itcl3.4/libitcl3.4.a as the file to load, but it's actually at /usr/brlcad-svn/lib/libitcl3.4.a |
| 23:35.14 | starseeker | come to think of it, archer is failing with unknown option "-menu" and RamDebugger is failing with unknown option "-sticky" |
| 23:36.43 | starseeker | throws in some symbolic links... |
| 23:39.32 | starseeker | nuts - now it says invalid ELF header |
| 23:40.36 | starseeker | growl |
| 00:20.09 | starseeker | well, that's probably it then - something about my bwish is messed up |
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| 19:53.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33775 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/preppedGeometry/PreppedTgc.java: Added support for TGC primitive |
| 20:00.35 | brlcad | makes a note to port more of that lib to C++ |
| 20:01.28 | brlcad | for now, though, time to visit the family |
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| 20:21.44 | inacio | Can anyone tell me how to, or point me to the correct docs, on how to build brl cad for mac os? First it wouldn't handle OpenGL; then I added an LDFLAGS variable to configure "-F/System/Library/Frameworks -framework OpenGL" but now autoconf tells me it doesn't know how to use the compiler. Any tips, or the web page I should read, because I couldn't find it. |
| 20:22.39 | brlcad | inacio: doc/README.MacOSX |
| 20:22.57 | inacio | wow, that's embarrasing⦠|
| 20:23.07 | brlcad | you should actually turn off the ogl inteface --without-ogl |
| 20:23.20 | brlcad | it's problematic on Mac due to an X11 issue |
| 20:23.44 | brlcad | you won't lose functionality -- we implement the same functionality via other protocols |
| 20:24.07 | inacio | I will lose HW acceleration though, right? |
| 20:24.13 | brlcad | nope |
| 20:24.18 | inacio | cool |
| 20:24.43 | brlcad | we don't do shaded displays via opengl yet anyways, we use ray-tracing |
| 20:24.58 | brlcad | that'll be sometime next year |
| 20:26.29 | inacio | Is there a default config string for Mac OS? I was trying |
| 20:26.29 | inacio | ./configure --prefix=/opt/local/brlcad --with-ogl --enable-optimized --enable-dtrace LDFLAGS="-F/System/Library/Frameworks -framework OpenGL" |
| 20:26.56 | inacio | obviously this should at least become |
| 20:26.57 | inacio | ./configure --prefix=... --without-ogl |
| 20:27.32 | inacio | can I use --enable-optimized and --enable-dtrace? (I don't really need dtrace, btw, mostly curiosity) |
| 20:28.52 | inacio | I am trying this on a PowerMac dual G5. |
| 20:28.56 | inacio | if it matters. |
| 20:31.01 | inacio | should I want a 64-bit version? |
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| 20:32.28 | brlcad | dtrace with optimized is probably kinda useless |
| 20:32.37 | brlcad | just like debugging with optimized |
| 20:32.57 | brlcad | might get something, but it'd only be useful to devs |
| 20:33.22 | brlcad | 64-bit isn't going to do anything for you |
| 20:35.34 | inacio | dtrace is just to have something of real size to try with dtrace. It might be interesting to me to see what I can understand from performance using just dtrace. I occasionally run into analysis problems similar to that on programs whose code base isn't available. I realize that it might be fairly non-sensical. |
| 20:36.44 | inacio | what happens when you try to use OpenGL on Mac OS? I didn't dive into the compile problem, but I guess that someone else has. |
| 20:37.14 | brlcad | bad behavior |
| 20:37.40 | brlcad | some issue in the glx bindings causes the display to not update until it's invalidated, among other issues |
| 20:38.00 | inacio | that would get pretty ugly |
| 20:38.01 | brlcad | the compile problem is probably easy to fix -- builds fine with ogl here |
| 20:39.11 | inacio | I have a pile of libraries and such installed for working on my day job, I wonder if there is a conflict. (I doubt I will dive deep enough to figure it out though.) |
| 20:49.28 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 20:53.02 | yukonbob | brlcad: (or anybody) -- can you compare contrast brlcad w/ CATIA in a sentence or two? |
| 20:53.17 | yukonbob | *compare/contrats |
| 20:53.23 | yukonbob | *contrast |
| 20:56.29 | yukonbob | !wow -- CATIA is now Windows only, if I understand v6 correctly... |
| 20:58.36 | louipc | ! |
| 21:03.46 | yukonbob | is curious re: brl-cad vs. catia because I just got a book about computers and archtecture, and found out Frank Gehry uses a CATIA core for his work... I saw a documentary about him and saw him working on his computer and at the time wondered what he was using... apparently, it's CATIA |
| 21:03.56 | brlcad | yukonbob: sure cadn. "BRL-CAD is *way* more awesome than CATIA." |
| 21:04.12 | yukonbob | brlcad: ok.. thanks... ;) |
| 21:04.19 | yukonbob | LOL |
| 21:04.23 | yukonbob | waves to brlcad |
| 21:04.55 | brlcad | sentance #2: "BRL-CAD is Open Source and CATIA is not." |
| 21:05.07 | louipc | brlcad++ |
| 21:05.38 | yukonbob | would getting BRL-CAD to a place where one could be competitve with f. gehry a smop, or are there so many core differences that it's comparing apples and oragutuangs? |
| 21:06.01 | yukonbob | *smop -- simple matter of programming |
| 21:06.35 | yukonbob | ie: building an interface (perhaps archer is already there) and perhaps linking-up existing library functions in unique ways... |
| 21:07.12 | yukonbob | *orangutans |
| 21:08.03 | yukonbob | svn updates... |
| 21:16.05 | brlcad | smot&e |
| 21:16.09 | brlcad | time and effort |
| 21:17.18 | brlcad | dessault puts more manpower into catia than any other cad company (that I'm aware of) except maybe autodesk w/ autocad |
| 21:17.41 | brlcad | they have more than 1000 *devs* that work on it |
| 21:18.27 | brlcad | of course, that's across all lines that dassault employs afaik |
| 21:19.00 | yukonbob | what's the status of brl-cad and nurbs? |
| 21:19.09 | yukonbob | integrated and Good? |
| 21:19.22 | brlcad | being worked on bit by bit |
| 21:19.32 | brlcad | not done by any stretch, but making progress |
| 21:21.22 | brlcad | the status is "needs more time and effort" :) |
| 21:22.14 | yukonbob | smop/smot&e nice... |
| 21:28.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33776 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (62 files in 15 dirs): |
| 21:28.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Added support for TGC primitive |
| 21:28.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Added a simple rt sample app |
| 21:28.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Added some unit tests |
| 21:40.41 | brlcad | good gravy.. john must have been working on that all day or more |
| 21:41.53 | brlcad | detaches and hits the road, cya all later |
| 21:43.03 | yukonbob | ciao |
| 21:43.24 | yukonbob | prepares to head-out, too |
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| 01:40.34 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 02:32.28 | starseeker | ``Erik: help |
| 02:33.05 | ``Erik | heh, uh, O.o no, the appropriate way to fix a light socket is not with a paperclip? |
| 02:33.39 | starseeker | where would autotools be getting lib/itcl3.4 instead of lib? |
| 02:34.01 | ``Erik | erm, from a script? |
| 02:34.12 | starseeker | ok, but which script? |
| 02:34.34 | ``Erik | <-- not sure what you're talking about |
| 02:34.38 | starseeker | apparently no one else is having this problem - me fears autotools is doing something odd |
| 02:34.54 | starseeker | oh, my itcl/itk installation is acting oddly |
| 02:35.04 | starseeker | I think it may be why I can't start archer |
| 02:35.58 | ``Erik | <-- never really dicked with the itcl/itk stuff other than merging in some cvs stuff to make it work with tcl85 |
| 02:36.17 | starseeker | ah |
| 02:36.54 | starseeker | hunts for some sort of "minimal" itk test file |
| 02:38.17 | ``Erik | to the best of my knowledge, itcl/itk is a nasty hack to emulate basic oo type stuff for tcl/tk, is going to be deprecated by tcl86 or something, and I have no clue what it's used for or why in brlcad :D I haven't spotted any of its goofy syntax in any tcl script I've dug into, unless I'm mistaken about the goofiness of it |
| 02:38.47 | starseeker | uh oh |
| 02:39.03 | starseeker | I think Bob has been using it quite a bit, both in archer and possibly his libtclcad |
| 02:39.21 | ``Erik | is generally unhappy when he has to venture into tcl land, likes the straight C path to rt* |
| 02:39.29 | starseeker | agrees |
| 02:39.48 | ``Erik | were it lithp or thcheme or thomething, I might feel differently |
| 02:40.11 | ``Erik | but I was, uh, mortified by tcl when I messed with it a little around a decade ago for eggdrop stuff |
| 02:40.13 | starseeker | ironically enough, this problem started when I tried to get a tcl/tk debugger working in bwish in order to debug archer |
| 02:40.30 | ``Erik | I even TRIED to like it! it shared certain things I could claim were almost scheme like |
| 02:40.57 | ``Erik | meh, shoulda just shoved a bunch of printf() and echo ""'s in |
| 02:41.07 | starseeker | apparently |
| 02:41.14 | starseeker | that just feels so... crude |
| 02:41.20 | starseeker | to say nothing of time consuming |
| 02:42.13 | ``Erik | often uses printf() debugging in C, even though he knows gdb reasonably well |
| 02:45.28 | starseeker | in this case, I know what's failing - I'm just not sure WHY |
| 02:46.18 | ``Erik | the nice thing about the printf style is you pick and choose all the data you want to examine and where, then just pull the trigger and get a nice log of what the program did to contemplate |
| 02:46.39 | ``Erik | instead of setting break points and examining before continuing |
| 02:47.03 | ``Erik | different tools for different problems *shrug* dismissing one 'just because' is limiting yourself :D |
| 02:47.33 | starseeker | oh, sure - I've used printf sometimes too |
| 02:48.01 | starseeker | but in the case of huge mass of code where I don't know what any of it is doing... |
| 02:48.43 | ``Erik | mass, or mess? |
| 02:48.50 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:49.24 | starseeker | isn't ready to call it a mess yet... |
| 02:49.29 | starseeker | maybe later |
| 02:49.41 | ``Erik | <-- never debugged tcl stuff where he didn't have a good idea of what was going on and where the problem was before |
| 02:49.52 | starseeker | ah |
| 02:50.20 | ``Erik | http://crit.brlcad.org:9090/ ucw sorta doing something almost semi interesting |
| 02:50.59 | ``Erik | oddly, (push val history) didn't work, but (setf history (cons val history)) did |
| 02:51.30 | starseeker | cool |
| 02:51.38 | starseeker | is impressed |
| 02:53.42 | ``Erik | oh, heh, I screwed something up |
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| 03:01.11 | ``Erik | sweet, idiocracy on tv |
| 03:04.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | so... |
| 03:04.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | isn't that what is usually on? |
| 03:07.06 | ``Erik | no, usually it's idiotic, this is a movie mocking that :D |
| 03:07.14 | ``Erik | starseeker: fixed that ucw page, check it out now O.o |
| 03:07.53 | starseeker | heh - neat? |
| 03:08.20 | ``Erik | it's weired wiring it up, I THINK that involves all teh hard pars |
| 03:08.21 | ``Erik | parts |
| 03:08.38 | starseeker | wonders if anyone else has successfully muddled through ucw |
| 03:08.54 | ``Erik | um, there're like, 4, apparently |
| 03:09.32 | ``Erik | http://bees-kneesfilms.com is one of the few ucw sites out there O.o |
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| 03:19.15 | ``Erik | wtf |
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| 07:26.05 | mafm | hi |
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| 13:30.05 | Satisfied | i'm looking for a cad program for a number of small projects that involves gear trains and pulley systems.... is brlcad appropriate or should i look into one of the commercial packages like solidworks or inventor? |
| 13:34.18 | ``Erik | are you looking for something to automatically tell you ratios and number of teeth and stuff, or model it? and are you looking for drafting output, or just visualization/analysis? |
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| 13:37.02 | Satisfied | well, I'm not anxious to spend hours constructing gears manually. I think Inventor has builtin templates that for the standard involute curves and such |
| 13:37.28 | ``Erik | hm, we have template and pattern tools, but no automagic gear build |
| 13:37.41 | _sushi_ | Satisfied: I even had to write a complicated program to approximate threads from oblique cylindrical slices |
| 13:37.57 | _sushi_ | The result is that BRL-CAD becomes overwhelmed with the number of component and the partitioning algorithm clogs |
| 13:38.09 | ``Erik | overwhelmed, or just slow? :D |
| 13:38.12 | _sushi_ | BRL-CAD doesn't have any thread primitive |
| 13:38.25 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: well it renders horribly slow |
| 13:38.41 | _sushi_ | Just because there are 20,000 non-overlapping slicesw |
| 13:38.51 | ``Erik | ohyeah, your freaky cut case |
| 13:38.53 | ``Erik | that was weird |
| 13:38.56 | _sushi_ | and one cut through all that |
| 13:39.03 | _sushi_ | with the cut it's 216 times slower as with |
| 13:39.05 | ``Erik | john added the -k to make that go fast for you |
| 13:39.19 | _sushi_ | We already talked about this with Sean and he said there is nothing that can be done against it |
| 13:39.27 | _sushi_ | Well - BRL-CAD is still the choise #1 :) |
| 13:39.40 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: what does the -k do? |
| 13:39.44 | ``Erik | (there's something you WON'T see with inventor or solidworks or catia, satisfied, we listen to the "little guy" users ;) |
| 13:39.52 | ``Erik | rt -k <cutting plane> |
| 13:39.55 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: right I agree |
| 13:40.18 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: maybe I could try to incorporate that into the scripts |
| 13:41.05 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: right that's what I hate on commercial packages - they are like if you don't like it fuck you you already gave us your money |
| 13:41.13 | ``Erik | but like a bicycle gear would be something like a squat cylinder to make the disc, subtract the hole, subtract one cutout for the link, then use clone or pattern to zip around the edge of the disc, and sub those tooth cylinders, bam, done |
| 13:41.23 | _sushi_ | here you don't have to give away any money, get the source code plus a reasonable support |
| 13:41.41 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: a bicycle cogwheel would be extremely simple I think |
| 13:41.51 | _sushi_ | I am not sure how I would do the invloute for an ordinary gear though |
| 13:42.04 | ``Erik | cut an arb8 for a sharp tooth |
| 13:42.27 | ``Erik | union two cylinders and cut that comb for a pedal tooth |
| 13:42.52 | _sushi_ | but teeth are not cylinders but some complicated math curve called involute aren't they? |
| 13:43.11 | ``Erik | <-- dunno, archivist is the gearmaster here :D |
| 13:43.29 | _sushi_ | But I think some primitives could be integrated into the program |
| 13:43.32 | ``Erik | I stay in the low level guts myself |
| 13:43.37 | _sushi_ | But you won't take my code since it's GPL only :) |
| 13:43.53 | ``Erik | I thought we had some gpl pieces already |
| 13:43.57 | _sushi_ | And Sean said something I would have to transfer the copyright |
| 13:44.06 | ``Erik | ohhh, yeah |
| 13:44.15 | _sushi_ | At least you could link my tool from your homepage |
| 13:44.22 | ``Erik | make a wiki for it |
| 13:44.23 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:44.25 | _sushi_ | I think in some jurisdictions this is not even possible |
| 13:44.27 | ``Erik | wiki page |
| 13:44.33 | _sushi_ | You write something you have the (c) and you can't give it up |
| 13:44.45 | _sushi_ | You can licence sublicence but not transfer it's you who made it you have the copyright |
| 13:45.10 | ``Erik | yeah, the US isn't like that, and gets really ugly when you start talking things like "work for hire" issues |
| 13:45.41 | _sushi_ | Here is the thread tool http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/lib/thread.c |
| 13:45.55 | _sushi_ | And here is the hex tool http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/lib/hex.c |
| 13:46.09 | _sushi_ | Writing a doc for it would take too much time for me |
| 13:47.21 | _sushi_ | There are some random thread tables picked from the Internet and embedded into the program |
| 13:47.40 | _sushi_ | It's for metric only, I have no clue about withworth threads |
| 13:47.53 | ``Erik | should probably slap the GPL header on those so'z people know it's gpl |
| 13:48.02 | _sushi_ | All I know about them is a) they are used on water pipes, b) they are used on camera and c) they are next to impossible to get here |
| 13:49.16 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: you want a full GPL header? |
| 13:50.06 | ``Erik | I'm just sayin', GPL demands the gpl header on all files under the gpl, no? |
| 13:51.14 | _sushi_ | where the fuck do I get this header? |
| 13:51.19 | _sushi_ | I am googling and getting just junk! |
| 13:51.35 | ``Erik | it's in the gpl license itself |
| 13:52.40 | _sushi_ | is unable to find GPL quickjly |
| 13:53.14 | ``Erik | http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/lib/thread.c |
| 13:53.17 | ``Erik | damnit |
| 13:53.24 | ``Erik | http://bz.bzflag.bz/~erik/gpl.h |
| 13:53.33 | ``Erik | there ya go, fill in the blanks :) |
| 13:53.40 | _sushi_ | thanks youre my savior |
| 13:54.00 | ``Erik | hardly, heh :D |
| 13:55.47 | ``Erik | Satisfied: BRL-CAD is free, download it and give it a try :) we even have tutorials at http://brlcad.org and a reasonably active channel here :) |
| 13:55.52 | _sushi_ | warning: million pointer targets differ from billion others |
| 13:56.12 | _sushi_ | And it also rulez |
| 13:57.31 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: here with header: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/lib/hex.c |
| 13:58.51 | ``Erik | heh, *shrug* I don't care too much, was just pointing out one of those non-technical issues that seem to be important these days (unfortunately) |
| 13:59.18 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: oh I thought it's an obstacle |
| 14:00.23 | ``Erik | nah, just advice on protecting yourself :) |
| 14:00.47 | _sushi_ | What does a GPL header protect me against? |
| 14:01.13 | ``Erik | hm, src/mged/point/ src/other/libpng/ other/tcl/generic/tclDate.c and src/tab/script.c all seem to be GPL'd |
| 14:02.00 | ``Erik | some theoretical protection of your 'intellectual property', and is a way of letting fellow developers know how they can use your code |
| 14:02.09 | ``Erik | without a header, people might assume it's public domain |
| 14:02.34 | ``Erik | src/other/libpng/contrib rather |
| 14:02.39 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: that's maybe in the US, here if you don't have any info then you have to assume it's proprietary |
| 14:03.41 | ``Erik | <-- ain't a lawyer, just read that lawyers say it's a good idea to mark your work with copyright info and if necessary, license info *shrug* |
| 14:04.04 | starseeker | here's a spring subtracted from an rcc http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/thread_test.png |
| 14:04.59 | _sushi_ | looks like the thread in which ball bearings run |
| 14:05.09 | starseeker | heh |
| 14:05.13 | starseeker | just a quick test |
| 14:05.30 | starseeker | tries an arb8 cut, just out of curiosity |
| 14:05.51 | ``Erik | nerds |
| 14:05.58 | _sushi_ | http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/hardware_4.png |
| 14:06.04 | _sushi_ | How did you make the spring? |
| 14:06.18 | ``Erik | http://static.arstechnica.com/2009/02/15/evercrack.jpg nice |
| 14:07.51 | starseeker | pipe primitive |
| 14:08.02 | _sushi_ | how do you make a helix with the pipe primitive? |
| 14:11.19 | starseeker | it's documented in Volume III |
| 14:11.43 | starseeker | I'm working on a procdb to automate it, but it's not done yet |
| 14:12.21 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/thread_cut.png |
| 14:12.39 | starseeker | doesn't seem to be incredibly slow, but I don't have 200+ threads either |
| 14:15.14 | starseeker | _sushi_: Given time, I might be able to duplicate that setup using a pipe, but I don't know that there would be much performance benefit |
| 14:15.42 | _sushi_ | And you would get non-metric thread shape |
| 14:16.11 | _sushi_ | http://www.mech.uwa.edu.au/DANotes/threads/mechanics/recircBallBIG.jpeg |
| 14:16.54 | starseeker | non-metric? |
| 14:17.03 | starseeker | heh - that's cool |
| 14:17.19 | starseeker | talk about a great candidate for a brlcad model |
| 14:17.50 | _sushi_ | starseeker: normal threads don't look like what you've done |
| 14:17.55 | _sushi_ | The thread has a different shape |
| 14:18.00 | starseeker | sure |
| 14:18.15 | starseeker | what I did was a quick test using a spring I happened to have around |
| 14:18.43 | starseeker | I take it you were able to do metric thread? |
| 14:23.49 | _sushi_ | It's not exactly metric because it has near sinusoidal shape |
| 14:23.53 | _sushi_ | But it looks like metric :) |
| 14:24.16 | _sushi_ | metric is V-shape with round ends |
| 14:24.41 | _sushi_ | Actually only the convex end is round the concave one is V |
| 14:26.04 | starseeker | it might be possible to do that with some insane combination of existing primitives, but it would be difficult and would almost have to be scripted |
| 14:26.37 | _sushi_ | wouldn't it be possible to make a thread primitive? |
| 14:26.53 | _sushi_ | Cause a thread is just a stack of slices where the slice rotates |
| 14:27.11 | _sushi_ | Therefore a cylinder equation would suggest a rough place where the ray hits |
| 14:27.19 | starseeker | that's what I'm thinking - pipe indicates it is possible, but meta-primitives like pipe are (geometrically) composed of more simple primitives |
| 14:27.29 | _sushi_ | And then some local iteration would give the exact place of the hit |
| 14:27.34 | starseeker | a sweep primitive would allow it |
| 14:27.46 | _sushi_ | what's a sweep primitive? |
| 14:28.11 | starseeker | basically a generalization of extrude |
| 14:28.24 | starseeker | take a sketch, and sweep it through 3D space |
| 14:28.25 | _sushi_ | if you can sweep along a spiral... |
| 14:28.27 | starseeker | right |
| 14:28.45 | starseeker | rotate would be another subset of sweep |
| 14:29.11 | _sushi_ | but this is rotation and translation running at the same time |
| 14:29.25 | starseeker | right - that's why it would take a general sweep primitive |
| 14:29.28 | starseeker | which we don't have yet |
| 14:29.52 | _sushi_ | you can either sweep a little circle along a spiral |
| 14:30.12 | _sushi_ | Or you can sweep a large slightly eccentric circle along a straight line and rotate it in the process |
| 14:30.15 | starseeker | with sweep, we would sketch the exact profile of the thread, and sweep in a spiral |
| 14:30.24 | _sushi_ | Or you can sweep a square and get a funky 4-gang thread |
| 14:30.52 | starseeker | _sushi_: there's a project - make a sweep primitive :-) |
| 14:30.53 | _sushi_ | How would you make a conical thread |
| 14:30.58 | _sushi_ | like you have on wood screws> |
| 14:31.10 | starseeker | tries to visualize that |
| 14:31.16 | _sushi_ | Would be nice if we could at least model everything they have in hardware store |
| 14:31.26 | _sushi_ | without choking the system with a $ 0.1 item |
| 14:31.51 | starseeker | _sushi_ thread modeling is not one of our normal use cases |
| 14:31.51 | _sushi_ | we have this height field primitive right? |
| 14:32.02 | starseeker | that's out of date, I believe |
| 14:32.18 | _sushi_ | do we have some kind of bump map? |
| 14:32.45 | _sushi_ | cause thread is a kind of periodical bump map mapped on a cylinder or cone :) |
| 14:33.10 | _sushi_ | Where the parameter is some combination of the position and angle |
| 14:33.15 | starseeker | _sushi_: If we were going to do it "right", it would be by creating the sweep primitive |
| 14:33.45 | _sushi_ | but imagine the system throws a ray and if you have 100 turns it has to test each of them for intersection |
| 14:33.59 | starseeker | it's an optimization problem |
| 14:34.05 | _sushi_ | Whereas if you map on surface you calculate approx place of hit and then just reiterate to get the exact one |
| 14:34.33 | _sushi_ | there's an interesting electrical component called conical coil |
| 14:34.35 | starseeker | probably will need to go into the details with brlcad |
| 14:34.39 | _sushi_ | Which is a coil wound on a cone :) |
| 14:34.47 | starseeker | pipe can probably do that |
| 14:34.53 | louipc | how does the pipe primitive work? |
| 14:35.06 | starseeker | combinations of cylindars and tori, IIRC |
| 14:35.15 | louipc | isn't it like a psudo primitive? ok |
| 14:35.28 | starseeker | I consider it an example of a metaprimitive |
| 14:35.36 | louipc | so you could expand it to maybe use other shapes other than rcc |
| 14:35.51 | louipc | and you would get the correct shape for what type of thread you want |
| 14:36.07 | starseeker | you might be able to use the logic behind pipe for such purposes, but it wouldn't be "plug and play" |
| 14:36.19 | louipc | like 60degree, acme, square threads |
| 14:36.24 | starseeker | that would be a new primitive |
| 14:36.25 | louipc | yeah |
| 14:36.30 | starseeker | sweep :-) |
| 14:36.45 | louipc | hmm |
| 14:37.29 | starseeker | one of the earlier projects created part of a revolve primitive, as a stepping stone to the general case |
| 14:37.35 | starseeker | gsoc project |
| 14:37.49 | louipc | yeah you would need sweep |
| 14:38.15 | starseeker | it would be VERY powerful, given a proper sketch editor |
| 14:38.28 | louipc | hehe |
| 14:38.41 | starseeker | ours needs a little help, I'm afraid |
| 14:38.55 | starseeker | it does make a bit more sense now that I understand the data structures |
| 14:39.41 | starseeker | IIRC, sweep and revolve of sketches is actually a pretty common paradigm in other cad systems for shape creation |
| 14:39.59 | starseeker | its very general |
| 14:41.26 | louipc | yep, especially for cylindrical stuff |
| 14:41.39 | starseeker | the advantage of CSG the way we do it is that it constrains the model into representing things with simple geometry. |
| 14:41.40 | louipc | lathework |
| 14:42.00 | starseeker | that has both benefits and limitations |
| 14:42.19 | starseeker | as long as the simple geometric representation is a good approximation, it's better |
| 14:42.27 | louipc | yeah |
| 14:42.32 | starseeker | where "good" is defined by the application |
| 14:42.36 | louipc | well you have to choose the right tool for the application |
| 14:42.44 | louipc | jinx |
| 14:42.47 | starseeker | obviously for precision surface creation, it's not ideal |
| 14:43.11 | starseeker | but then we don't model too many sports cars ;-) |
| 14:43.49 | starseeker | may be speaking too soon though, given brlcad's new car |
| 14:43.59 | starseeker | OK, time to start getting chores done |
| 14:47.33 | archivist | ``Erik, I heard my name :) |
| 14:47.33 | starseeker | Not sure what this paper is or if it is any good, but Figure 10 gives a reasonable example of what a swept primitive looks like: http://www.unknownroad.com/publications/SweepsTRApril2005.pdf |
| 14:47.33 | ``Erik | there was talk about BRL-CAD's ability to do gears :D |
| 14:47.43 | starseeker | intends to do that |
| 14:47.53 | starseeker | but must do chores/shopping first |
| 14:47.54 | archivist | many sorts of gears exist |
| 14:48.07 | starseeker | should make a fun tool :-) |
| 14:48.15 | archivist | and some have the fiddle factors |
| 14:48.24 | starseeker | tire all over again :-) |
| 14:49.10 | ``Erik | bump map is a visual hack based on normals and exists in shader land... displacement map would be a closer notion, but is still a shader issue, not true geometry |
| 14:50.52 | ``Erik | starseeker: did you see the updated ucw thingy? |
| 15:03.30 | starseeker | the roman numerals? |
| 15:03.34 | starseeker | yeah, that was cool |
| 15:04.31 | ``Erik | where you could input? the first one I showed had the input part broken :) |
| 15:04.43 | starseeker | yeah, input worked :-) |
| 15:04.56 | ``Erik | okie, now to figure out something 'real' to do to extend my knowledge heh |
| 15:05.03 | starseeker | :-) |
| 15:05.11 | starseeker | gets real with laundry :-( |
| 15:05.29 | ``Erik | the guy to look at my door jam is late |
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| 03:14.06 | ``Erik | "I'm not an expert, but I did burn down a holiday inn last night!" heh |
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| 03:57.20 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
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| 11:22.26 | d-lo | Mornin all. |
| 11:23.28 | _sushi_ | morning |
| 11:25.24 | d-lo | how goes it _sushi_ ? |
| 11:25.41 | _sushi_ | fine thanks you? |
| 11:25.53 | d-lo | still waking up :/ |
| 12:30.32 | starseeker | is still attempting not to wake up, but reality is setting in... |
| 12:31.55 | d-lo | wow... that was pretty 'emo' man... you okay? |
| 12:43.14 | starseeker | emo? |
| 12:43.25 | starseeker | just isn't a morning person :-) |
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| 12:44.41 | starseeker | d-lo: thanks for the robotics link, bty - that's some cool stuff |
| 12:46.14 | d-lo | heh, yeah, I love that site. Problem is that my imagination far exceeds my wallet's capacity lol |
| 12:46.24 | starseeker | amen |
| 12:46.31 | starseeker | what's emo? |
| 12:48.03 | starseeker | weirded out for a second and thought you said elmo ;-) |
| 12:48.27 | d-lo | Internet term. Basicly anyone who wears their emotions on their sleeves... usually people who are depressed are labeled 'emo' ;) |
| 12:48.34 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 12:49.01 | d-lo | but i can see how a non-morning person could fit that bill... at least untill caffiene consumption. |
| 12:49.23 | starseeker | is not fit for human interaction before 9:30am |
| 12:49.45 | d-lo | lol "Interact at your own risk" ? |
| 12:49.54 | starseeker | wouldn't expect d-lo to know about non-morning people ;-) |
| 12:50.13 | starseeker | that would make an awesome t-shirt |
| 12:50.27 | d-lo | is a "needs a nap around 1400" person. |
| 12:50.36 | starseeker | ah |
| 12:50.38 | d-lo | ... lol yes it would now that you mention it. |
| 12:50.47 | starseeker | sounds like a thinkgeek product |
| 12:51.07 | starseeker | we could wear it to some of those more annoying meetings :-) |
| 12:54.10 | d-lo | A shirt with "don't ask me, they're in charge" and an arrow pointing right would be funny if we could get EVERYONE at the ccb to wear it. |
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| 13:58.25 | ``Erik_ | weird, can't log in to my home machine :/ |
| 14:06.08 | d-lo | strangeness. |
| 14:06.21 | d-lo | more Comcast foo? |
| 14:11.39 | ``Erik_ | no, it's something muffed up on my box I think |
| 14:12.05 | ``Erik_ | like getty is screwed up |
| 14:12.31 | ``Erik_ | "ssh home noninteractivecommand" works fine, but "ssh home /bin/sh" hangs |
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| 14:38.35 | ``Erik | ok, now I've really busted my home machine hehehe |
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| 14:41.06 | d-lo | heh, what didja do? |
| 14:41.20 | archivist | wonders if the smoke is getting out |
| 14:41.37 | ``Erik | rebooted it and it doesn't seem to be coming up, at least not where it should be |
| 14:42.41 | ``Erik | has gotten into the habit of upgrading the system, then letting it keep running with possibly incompatible libraries until something doesn't work, THEN rebooting it for the new kernel... : D |
| 14:44.10 | archivist | :) |
| 14:44.26 | archivist | is a few reboots behind |
| 14:45.01 | ``Erik | I wonder if I screwed up the cvs up and accidently pulled -HEAD instead of -STABLE, that'd suck |
| 15:24.01 | brlcad | starseeker: print statements are crude, but actually/usually not *that* time consuming .. at least any more time consuming than most debugger sessions .. just a lot more tedius |
| 15:27.50 | brlcad | _sushi_: the -k option was written specifically for you to address that cutting plane option, so hope you do use it ;) |
| 15:31.48 | brlcad | _sushi_: and it wouldn't require transfer of copyright, the requirements are pretty much identical to the apache project -- you grant an unlimited perpetual world-wide license on the work, so we can do what we want with it and so can you |
| 15:34.21 | brlcad | _sushi_: basically an implicit version of http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt |
| 15:34.55 | brlcad | still have to update our wording to fully reflect that, but that's been the approach for a couple years now |
| 15:35.28 | brlcad | but yeah, gpl is a non-starter -- lgpl, bsd, mit, apache, or other similarly "more free" license is required |
| 15:38.59 | louipc | _sushi_: use wtfpl |
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| 15:43.59 | brlcad | notes src/other/libpng is a red herring, just autotool cruft |
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| 15:50.32 | brlcad | starseeker: "dsp" is our 'height field primitive' (which isn't out of date) |
| 15:50.51 | PrezKennedy | hey brlcad! how are you doing? |
| 15:50.55 | brlcad | the old 'hf' primitive is what you're probably thinking of, but that's an implementation detail |
| 15:54.27 | brlcad | hey PrezKennedy |
| 15:54.40 | brlcad | catches up with the thread ;) |
| 15:54.57 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: so just a few more lessons eh? awesome |
| 15:58.26 | PrezKennedy | 9 to go! |
| 16:01.31 | PrezKennedy | oh and thanks for getting Mom on Facebook... thanks a lot... |
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| 16:05.31 | starseeker | wishes weekend had lasted longer |
| 16:05.55 | starseeker | proposed to girlfriend - surprising how time files under those conditions |
| 16:07.27 | brlcad | hah, outstanding! |
| 16:07.29 | brlcad | congratulations starseeker |
| 16:07.33 | louipc | :D congrats |
| 16:07.35 | starseeker | thank you :-) |
| 16:08.03 | Axman6 | starseeker: i take it she said yes? :) |
| 16:08.08 | starseeker | yep :-) |
| 16:08.27 | brlcad | good ol' washington and lincoln ;) |
| 16:08.42 | Axman6 | hooray :) |
| 16:08.44 | brlcad | patriotic proposal |
| 16:09.12 | starseeker | well, Valentine's day actually |
| 16:09.28 | brlcad | ah :) |
| 16:09.35 | starseeker | Feb. 14th - needed a good excuse to set up an outing |
| 16:09.46 | brlcad | was kidding ;) |
| 16:09.52 | starseeker | heh |
| 16:09.56 | d-lo | gratz!! |
| 16:10.24 | starseeker | was trying to make it a surprise, and a random outing would have been a dead giveaway |
| 16:10.33 | Axman6 | i'm looking forward to proposing to my girlfriend in a few years (we want to finish uni first) |
| 16:10.47 | Axman6 | she's fast asleep next to me at the moment |
| 16:11.23 | starseeker | yeah, being done with uni makes things a lot easier |
| 16:11.46 | starseeker | d-lo: thanks! |
| 16:12.13 | louipc | 11:09 -phrik(n=archbot@archlinux/bot/phrik)- Error: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error |
| 16:12.17 | louipc | woops sorry |
| 16:13.05 | archivist | wait till she reads the irc log Axman6 |
| 16:13.19 | ``Erik | condolences, I mean, congratulations, starseeker |
| 16:13.22 | Axman6 | hmm? |
| 16:13.22 | d-lo | lol |
| 16:13.33 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh |
| 16:13.39 | ``Erik | :D |
| 16:14.25 | ``Erik | starts pondering lunch |
| 16:16.29 | PrezKennedy | i need to find a girl i can stand first |
| 16:16.30 | PrezKennedy | :) |
| 16:16.43 | ``Erik | "rough trick named jim"? *duck* :D |
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| 16:17.02 | ``Erik | (sorry, drank a whole pot of coffee this morning, I AM CORNHOLIO!) |
| 16:17.03 | archivist | s/trick/truck |
| 16:17.59 | ``Erik | http://www.familyguyquotes.com/characters/brian-quotes-3.html if ya don't get the reference :) |
| 16:18.00 | PrezKennedy | uh oh ``Erik is stealing jokes from Family Guy! |
| 16:18.14 | PrezKennedy | of course i know the reference :) |
| 16:18.22 | ``Erik | some might not :) |
| 16:18.43 | ``Erik | take archivist for example, he may not have access to the same media that we in the civilized world enjoy :D *duck* |
| 16:19.44 | d-lo | did ``Erik just related 'The Family Guy' to civilized society? |
| 16:20.01 | d-lo | s/related/relate |
| 16:20.03 | Axman6 | heh |
| 16:20.03 | archivist | he is odd that way |
| 16:20.18 | d-lo | I think he needs TP for his bunghole. |
| 16:20.47 | Axman6 | PrezKennedy: you need a girl like mine. she's beautiful, very intelligent, loves that i'm a geek, and she's a gamer :D |
| 16:21.05 | PrezKennedy | sounds good to me |
| 16:21.22 | archivist | ew...another lost soul |
| 16:21.45 | Axman6 | is not a gamer however, even though he is 19 |
| 16:22.04 | PrezKennedy | im a retiring gamer! |
| 16:22.09 | PrezKennedy | slowly retiring... |
| 16:22.15 | starseeker | s/retiring/recovering |
| 16:22.53 | starseeker | doesn't game very much, and hardly at all over the last few years - it takes time away from programming :-) |
| 16:24.33 | d-lo | would be a 110% gamer if RL didn't take all my time ;) |
| 16:24.54 | d-lo | as it is, I can barely fit in 20mins of Civ4 a week. |
| 16:25.03 | starseeker | nods |
| 16:26.32 | _sushi_ | brlcad: OK I read what you wrote |
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| 16:38.10 | PrezKennedy | 20 minutes of civ 4? thats like 1 turn... just need 1 more... |
| 16:41.01 | d-lo | I know :/ It gets frustrating after a month or so. |
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| 17:43.34 | ``Erik | huh, /usr is full (again) |
| 17:43.50 | brlcad | yeah |
| 17:43.53 | brlcad | working on it |
| 17:44.17 | ``Erik | I'm trashing /usr/src/* and /usr/ports/* |
| 17:44.22 | ``Erik | this machine wont' get any more upgrades, right? |
| 17:44.45 | brlcad | I guess not :) |
| 17:44.56 | ``Erik | can always be re-cvsup'd if so |
| 18:10.33 | ``Erik | 1.3 gigs free now |
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| 19:48.36 | ``Erik | a bsd machine |
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| 22:01.01 | ``Erik | ok, compiled without issue on leopard |
| 22:01.01 | ``Erik | is starting to think lee was talking pure shit again |
| 22:10.58 | ``Erik | huh, interesting, cannot rotate |
| 22:12.07 | ``Erik | ae works, but mouse drag does not |
| 22:12.32 | ``Erik | more interesting, I cannot ^z the tk mged O.O |
| 22:12.55 | ``Erik | ^c fails as well, but the mged terminal responds appropriately |
| 22:13.44 | ``Erik | ponders blaming starseeker with that tcl/tk upgrade :D |
| 22:14.09 | starseeker | oh no, what broke now |
| 22:14.33 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'm working OK on the Mac so far |
| 22:16.14 | ``Erik | cannot rotate with the mouse, cannot ^z or ^c mged from the terminal I launched it in |
| 22:16.19 | ``Erik | this is on osX.5 |
| 22:17.13 | ``Erik | holding down right click and drag is supposed to be rotate, right? it zooms in if there's no drag and sees a release? |
| 22:17.30 | ``Erik | it zooms in on mouse2 down, not mouse2 up |
| 22:17.40 | starseeker | can you run down and show me on my box quick? |
| 22:17.56 | ``Erik | no, because I don't have leopard on a machine there, I had to go somewhere I did have leopard |
| 22:18.07 | ``Erik | I can show you tomorrow, but it won't be a networkable box |
| 22:18.11 | starseeker | ok |
| 22:18.15 | starseeker | grrrr |
| 22:18.18 | starseeker | works great here |
| 22:18.20 | ``Erik | if'n ya grok |
| 22:18.26 | ``Erik | your'e on 10.4, not 10.5 :) |
| 22:18.45 | ``Erik | lee was grumping about the mass of failures on 10.5 during lunch, so I excused myself for 3 hours of interrogating that :D |
| 22:19.35 | ``Erik | grabs and older version to see if issue exists there |
| 22:19.42 | ``Erik | googles for how to use this stupid svn program |
| 22:22.02 | ``Erik | fekkit, I'll grab a tarball |
| 22:30.53 | starseeker | growls - apparently the USGS has all but abandoned DEM and moved onto other formats |
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| 01:19.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33788 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/spring.c: Start figuring out what's needed to model the various types of springs likely to be of interest in this tool. |
| 03:20.29 | yukonbob | starseeker: are you going to be modelling leaf springs, airsprings, coilsprings, torsion springs, etc, .etc? |
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| 04:40.55 | starseeker | yukonbob: We'll see :-) |
| 04:41.16 | starseeker | yukonbob: I'll probably rename it to coil, which is the current focus |
| 04:44.22 | yukonbob | nods... |
| 04:44.31 | yukonbob | that what I guessed would happen :) |
| 04:44.44 | yukonbob | it's what most people think of when one says "spring" |
| 04:51.44 | starseeker | yukonbob: why, do you need the other kinds? ;-) |
| 04:53.05 | yukonbob | ...just being pedantic :) |
| 04:53.31 | yukonbob | I thought you'd appreciate the precision, given the product you're working on :) |
| 05:11.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33790 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkhtml3/Makefile.in: missing semi |
| 05:14.35 | starseeker | heh |
| 05:14.53 | starseeker | It probably would be possible to cover a lot of types, and that might be a nice add-on to have at some point |
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| 15:33.08 | starseeker | finishes dealing with the insurance folk and heads out |
| 15:41.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33802 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/gqa.c: Added calculations for centroids and moments of inertia. |
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| 01:18.58 | ``Erik | damnit |
| 01:19.06 | starseeker | eh? |
| 01:20.59 | ``Erik | my car broke down at the gate |
| 01:21.05 | ``Erik | I just got home |
| 01:21.10 | starseeker | that SUCKS |
| 01:21.16 | starseeker | which gate? |
| 01:21.18 | ``Erik | and tomorrow, I get to walk to the dealership to get them to fix it |
| 01:21.20 | ``Erik | the 22 gate |
| 01:21.24 | starseeker | yuck |
| 01:21.41 | ``Erik | had it towed to the dealership right by my house *sigh* |
| 01:22.17 | ``Erik | is starting to ponder aaa |
| 01:22.27 | ``Erik | I think the alternator went out |
| 01:22.37 | starseeker | ow |
| 01:23.31 | ``Erik | while it's in, I think I'll have them do the front brakes and see if I can get the faulty ESC replaced under warrantee |
| 01:24.17 | ``Erik | but tonight, I have some DRINKIN' to do |
| 01:24.59 | starseeker | won't that preclude functioning tomorrow? |
| 01:25.02 | ``Erik | huh, remanufactured alternator is 200-250 |
| 01:25.20 | ``Erik | no, I tend to function fairly well |
| 01:25.35 | ``Erik | hell, if I show up to work on time, that means I was drinking the night before... for some reason, I wake up early and ready to go |
| 01:26.19 | ``Erik | german, irish and scottish genes, catholic upbringing... :D |
| 01:26.37 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 01:26.39 | ``Erik | not enough native american to slow me down on that |
| 01:30.07 | starseeker | feels sympathy for ``Erik's liver |
| 01:30.20 | starseeker | <wince> |
| 01:32.28 | starseeker | brlcad: If search's results are to be used by other commands, should there be an output option that builds a bu_list of matches? What's a good way to do "data exchange" on that? |
| 01:33.33 | starseeker | glares at clock and decides to get outta here, bbl |
| 01:37.10 | ``Erik | try not to lose an alternator :D |
| 02:17.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | Erik; geico includes roadside assistance standard |
| 02:17.40 | ``Erik | allstate wants to charge for it |
| 02:18.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | plus, you can save 10-15% in just 15 minutes by calling.. |
| 02:18.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but seriously, they are a great company |
| 02:19.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | my wife had a wreck, her fault... |
| 02:19.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they took care of everything, no hassle |
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| 02:30.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | understand |
| 02:43.07 | yukonbob | hello cadheads |
| 02:50.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hello yukonbob |
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| 04:05.54 | ``Erik | bleh |
| 04:53.48 | brlcad | starseeker: yep, I mentioned having a list option at some point .. actually being in ged helps because you could make a generic output handler that is wraps obtaining the result in some programmatic form |
| 04:57.34 | brlcad | don't know if bob got that far in the ged struct, but the idea was to modify the commands to perform something like ged_log that would either append to the result_str or bu_log or call a callback handler depending on the ged struct |
| 05:00.50 | brlcad | then you'd have make some callback that does whatever you want (like fill a bu_list with bu_vls results) for your application |
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| 11:11.42 | d-lo | ``Erik: bummer... you might wanna consider replacing the battery at the same time as the alternator... a failure of one tends to damage the other... |
| 11:13.00 | d-lo | uses gieco, but has respect for allstate... they took care of my wife (well, 'to be' wife at the time) when she had an accident |
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| 13:52.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33807 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/pkg.h src/libpkg/pkg.c): pkg is a good library to start with. refactor the API documentation out of the implementation file into the header. need to get doxygen running again in order to also add the groups/categories and section descriptions. |
| 13:56.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33808 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/ (tcl.h tclDecls.h): quell shadow warnings on index |
| 13:58.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33809 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/tpkg.c: quell all extra warnings |
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| 14:07.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33810 10/brlcad/trunk/include/pkg.h: brevity consistency |
| 14:08.04 | PrezKennedy | i hate bittorrent so much |
| 14:22.06 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33811 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/pkg.c: quell all the additional warnings minus conversion warnings that can't be quelled due to the short int prototype |
| 14:22.41 | louipc | PrezKennedy: the protocol? |
| 14:24.45 | ``Erik | no, he hates that my new hobby is taking bittorrent movies, editing them so images of "goatse" and "lemonparty" show up in various places, and redistributing them :D *duck* |
| 14:24.59 | brlcad | paid extra to get roadside assistance with geico .. no longer have that on my policy though |
| 14:25.02 | louipc | hahah! |
| 14:25.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: congratulations on the most useless hobby I've ever heard of |
| 14:25.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33812 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: |
| 14:25.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: -Wconversion is rather useless since it's mostly for supporting non-ansi |
| 14:25.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: compilation where you often don't have a prototype and end up with default |
| 14:25.38 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: parameter types. as a warning category, though, this just causes a lot of |
| 14:25.39 | ``Erik | </joke> |
| 14:25.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: unquellable warnings where shorts are used in a prototype. since they'd be |
| 14:25.40 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:25.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: passed as (int), they flag a warning but are completely correct as-is so remove |
| 14:25.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: -Wconversion |
| 14:25.45 | louipc | that's an awesome hobby |
| 14:26.28 | starseeker | even shooting tin cans in the backyard at least builds skills (well, OK, depending on intoxication levels...) |
| 14:26.33 | louipc | I imagine working at a tv station and doing that |
| 14:26.41 | louipc | :D |
| 14:26.44 | ``Erik | I d'no, I called the bmw roadside assistance, even though I didn't have membership, they charged me a straight $120 for "getting shit taken care of" (towed to the dealership and dropped off at home), gotta wonder what the rate of requiring that service is to make it worth the cost |
| 14:27.13 | starseeker | louipc: Was that you with the porno clip in the Arizona station on superbowl day (or whenever that was?) |
| 14:27.15 | brlcad | ``Erik: if you're up for it and didn't see the notice already, there's a libpng update worth getting.. |
| 14:27.18 | PrezKennedy | louipc, no -- i hate when people who use it max out the connection and prevent everything else from working correctly |
| 14:27.19 | ``Erik | and this is the first time in my life I've ever needed to be towed or help or anything |
| 14:27.27 | brlcad | really? |
| 14:27.30 | brlcad | that's messed up :) |
| 14:27.35 | ``Erik | uhm, yeah, probably zlib, too |
| 14:27.53 | louipc | PrezKennedy: hah ok |
| 14:27.58 | ``Erik | oh, that superbowl thing was amusing, but it was a lame porn clip to interject |
| 14:28.22 | louipc | starseeker: I wish I could take credit |
| 14:29.32 | ``Erik | not sure if I should bother with upgrading libpng right now or see if I can track out the weird maus behavior on leopard |
| 14:29.41 | ``Erik | or dick with more adrt/isst/etc shit |
| 14:29.53 | ``Erik | bit annoyed that lee is calling his thing isst now :/ |
| 14:30.10 | PrezKennedy | [p]isst |
| 14:34.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33813 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Mention nmg_fix_normals. It works, but is not registered in $mged_cmds yet (so no tab completion). |
| 14:40.22 | brlcad | ``Erik: only want you'll be able to counter that is by making isst work again on people's desks.. |
| 14:42.01 | brlcad | document it with a little tutorial, make it "just work", yada yada |
| 14:45.37 | brlcad | ``Erik: also src/tclscripts/mged/help.tcl <-- that's where it's missing for tab-completion |
| 14:46.11 | brlcad | mged_cmds expands off of the ? command, the ? command expands off of the mged_help_data array |
| 14:46.14 | ``Erik | hm, coulda sworn I had put it in there at some point and it didn't work |
| 14:46.29 | brlcad | leaves the rest as an exercise to the reader |
| 14:47.23 | ``Erik | once isst gets the mysql stuff ripped out and the network crap bypassed, it'll "just work" :/ *sigh* |
| 14:48.08 | archivist | mysql suph should be inserted not ripped out :) |
| 14:49.03 | ``Erik | mysql is a pile, postgres is far superior :D and for simply holding triangles, the kinda database that shoulda been used is called a "file" |
| 14:49.06 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:49.08 | brlcad | archivist: you think a simple interactive 3D viewer should need a mysql database in order to run? |
| 14:49.19 | starseeker | winces |
| 14:49.39 | archivist | brlcad, no |
| 14:50.02 | brlcad | hence the need to rip it out ;) |
| 14:50.31 | archivist | but I am biased to mysql :) |
| 14:50.54 | d-lo | bias != speed || functionality :P |
| 14:51.22 | archivist | speed with good design in databases |
| 14:51.28 | ``Erik | lately, I've been kinda thinking that the entire sql rdbms notion is fail |
| 14:51.43 | ``Erik | that's the thing, mysql is fast in meaningless microbenchmarks, but pigassed slow on REAL queries |
| 14:52.02 | ``Erik | because you have to go through stupid hoops like temporary tables for subselect and more complicated joins |
| 14:52.13 | archivist | fix the sql |
| 14:52.30 | archivist | rewrite subquries as joins |
| 14:53.39 | ``Erik | hehehe, but correct and well designed sql involves subqueries and nontrivial joins, which mysql fails at :D and sometimes you see where a mysql user has used another database and doens't use, y'know, 95% of sql's performance dealies because, well, mysql doesn't support them :D and you start seeing postgres, oracle, sybase, ingress, etc running far crappier than they should |
| 14:54.37 | brlcad | mm, dragonfly bsd 2.2 is out |
| 14:54.46 | ``Erik | thinks he's going to go with a blob in the .g files with a list of regions and a hash to store the kd-tree |
| 14:55.19 | ``Erik | then the regions are walked and rehashed on load to see if the kd-tree needs to be regenerated |
| 14:55.20 | archivist | subqueries are a crutch some like to rely of to make the sql readable |
| 14:56.06 | ``Erik | that way, straight bots are the core of data used |
| 14:57.07 | brlcad | binary objects in the db with attr hashes on the objects to point to those binobj's?, should work pretty well |
| 14:59.00 | ``Erik | yeah, and hashing the vertex data in the bot itself, so if it changes, I know to regenerate/invalidate the kd-tree |
| 14:59.28 | ``Erik | hm, *ponders a hash function in the primitive table* |
| 15:05.54 | brlcad | gah, don't sully the object space |
| 15:06.06 | brlcad | just use attrs |
| 15:06.20 | brlcad | heck, attrs on binobj's |
| 15:06.44 | brlcad | actually, don't even need attrs, hm |
| 15:07.17 | brlcad | just make the object name be an md5 hash, mark it invisible |
| 15:08.03 | brlcad | erh, yeah, still need the attr on the bot, but still pretty simple |
| 15:08.33 | brlcad | no infrastructure needed and it's not even abusing anything :) |
| 15:11.40 | ``Erik | hm, I was thinking about packing the names and hashsums into the blob |
| 15:12.38 | ``Erik | I might do some experiments to see if caching the kd-tree is necessary, if I can get it as fast as, say, librt's prep, then I won't even have to bother |
| 15:12.49 | ``Erik | but reading bots from a .g is an important step |
| 15:13.06 | brlcad | yeah |
| 15:13.38 | ``Erik | oh, compile is done, now I can start modifying stuff heh |
| 15:14.36 | brlcad | using just one blob wouldn't pass the concatenate .g test, per-object blobs would though |
| 15:15.01 | ``Erik | hm, but the tree is an acceleration structure for many regions |
| 15:15.08 | brlcad | but no complaints from me -- caching should be worried about after everything else is done, even if it is dog-slow |
| 15:15.10 | ``Erik | and I don't believe the trees can be merged trivially |
| 15:15.37 | ``Erik | hehehe iirc, the, uh, complicated test vehicle took days |
| 15:16.01 | ``Erik | but that's a piece of geometry that most cad systems simply cannot load :) |
| 15:16.19 | brlcad | then it can be the first optimization, but you still don't need it just yet |
| 15:16.35 | ``Erik | yeah, I think my first case for that will be mossworld |
| 15:17.04 | ``Erik | then mebbe the m35 for fun, then probably the t62, then up to modern crap |
| 15:17.28 | brlcad | also, iirc, the one that took days was after using the long-pass kd-tree prep -- aren't there two, a short that sucks and a long that sucks slightly less? |
| 15:18.31 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 15:18.42 | ``Erik | the 'fast' one is used for the cut view |
| 15:18.52 | ``Erik | and both are single threaded iirc |
| 15:19.23 | ``Erik | moving them to multithreaded simd beasties and going for convergance is probably going to be on my list of shit to do |
| 15:19.41 | ``Erik | of course, ed is pushing to "just make it work and move on to other stuff" |
| 15:19.43 | brlcad | people would probably be just as happy to see a progress bar if it worked over having cached hashes later ;) |
| 15:20.07 | ``Erik | yeah, that's one thing I have been doing to the private part, more status information |
| 15:20.59 | ``Erik | if you wanna check it out, the database is on the bsd opteron, the svn is on the bsd webserver as isst, make sure "HAX" is defined, that ignores all user authentication |
| 15:21.19 | ``Erik | been working on osX.4 and fbsd, should work dandy either place |
| 15:21.20 | ``Erik | :) |
| 15:21.29 | brlcad | I've tried to check it out thrice :) |
| 15:21.41 | ``Erik | really? co isnt' working? |
| 15:21.52 | ``Erik | or do you mean "check it out" as in look at it? |
| 15:22.35 | brlcad | nah, I just get side-tracked looking through the code instead of trying to run it |
| 15:23.01 | brlcad | as in look at it |
| 15:23.26 | brlcad | get the viewer to actually show me some g'damn geometry in all spinny clicky goodness |
| 15:23.45 | ``Erik | it's doable now |
| 15:24.05 | ``Erik | I think I made a lot of progress the last few months in merging the branches and getting it all portable and shit |
| 15:24.11 | brlcad | that's why I mentioned a tutorial/doc -- sans simple tutorial, it's gonna be nearly useless to mortal users :) |
| 15:24.40 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 15:24.54 | brlcad | so latest isn't in cad repo? |
| 15:24.56 | ``Erik | the current hot plate item on that is to make the gui part able to run solo |
| 15:25.00 | ``Erik | it is |
| 15:25.11 | ``Erik | well |
| 15:25.12 | ``Erik | it's split |
| 15:25.27 | brlcad | then "svn is on the bsd webserver as isst" would matter for what? |
| 15:25.28 | ``Erik | and this is pissing me off, and I got the TL to go yell at the BC for me, but |
| 15:25.59 | brlcad | non-public features? I don't care to test those out |
| 15:26.01 | ``Erik | adrt_master and adrt_slave are the drivers, those are on sourceforge. The gui component is on our webserver, because it hasn't been ok'd for public elease |
| 15:26.05 | brlcad | I want to see moss-world spinning |
| 15:26.34 | brlcad | o.O |
| 15:26.56 | ``Erik | we went to BC and said "hey, this is crippling development, can we just shove this out there to make things all good?" and she was not understanding why we'd do that when it isn't even on peoples desktops et |
| 15:26.58 | ``Erik | yet |
| 15:27.13 | ``Erik | I don't think she understood that it was slowing development by holding that piece private... and her brain is still in 247 |
| 15:27.49 | brlcad | so you asked someone that makes decisions based on fear if you could do something they don't understand and they said no |
| 15:27.52 | brlcad | I'm shocked |
| 15:28.10 | ``Erik | it's all gtk+, and I didn't wan tot inflict that on the svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/ repo, I was going to make a toplevel, like rtcmp |
| 15:29.11 | brlcad | yeah, gtk+ would be bad |
| 15:29.27 | ``Erik | I think gtk would be good, myself... get rid of that effin' tk crap :D |
| 15:29.35 | brlcad | the original simple gui version was better than the agar and gtk crap |
| 15:29.38 | ``Erik | but *shrug* might not be a popular sentimate |
| 15:30.04 | ``Erik | I'm moving code out of the gui piece and into the libraries as much as possible, hopefully the gui will become a very trivial veneer |
| 15:30.50 | ``Erik | I want to have all the networking ops as simple function calls with structs instead of this manual packing/unpacking on both ends |
| 15:31.53 | ``Erik | sendop;senddata1;senddata2 -> struct thang { op, data1, data2 } ; sendit(thang) |
| 15:32.36 | brlcad | hm, that doesn't sound like a good idea to me (screwing with the net before the rest is done).. |
| 15:33.06 | brlcad | the net isn't the problem, maybe not clean but not the problem |
| 15:33.09 | ``Erik | heh, been doing it, that's how I've been getting functionality back |
| 15:33.12 | ``Erik | no, the net is the problem |
| 15:33.25 | ``Erik | the protocols were not synchronized with the version I got |
| 15:33.29 | ``Erik | it just didn't work |
| 15:33.56 | brlcad | i mean the way it does what it does |
| 15:33.57 | ``Erik | I've been figuring out what was supposed to be passed and rebuilding them to gain functionality back |
| 15:34.15 | ``Erik | and it's a huge hassle, because it's manual and piecewise, spread through various areas |
| 15:34.16 | brlcad | not the actual protocol and packing use |
| 15:34.16 | ``Erik | :) |
| 15:34.33 | ``Erik | the protocol and packing was broken (still is, that's why split isn't working) |
| 15:34.47 | brlcad | i get that |
| 15:35.12 | ``Erik | *shrug* my next step is actually to avoid all the netowrking |
| 15:35.25 | ``Erik | and have a single binary that "just works" |
| 15:35.31 | ``Erik | no distributed aspect |
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| 15:36.36 | brlcad | that sounds like too many changes at once to me, make things (even more) unstable as all hell, hard to fix bugs |
| 15:36.59 | ``Erik | "start adrt_master, then start adrt_slave and connect it to the master, then start isst and connect to the master" is too many steps |
| 15:37.03 | brlcad | i'd think patching the existing net would be much faster in the long run even if the goal is to eventually rip out the net |
| 15:37.09 | ``Erik | *shrug* sledgehammer remodeling, man |
| 15:37.43 | brlcad | by the time you're done sledgehammaring and rebuilding, nobody will be left waiting to move into the building |
| 15:37.48 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:38.00 | ``Erik | well, I figure it'll take like 3 days to make it work without the networking |
| 15:38.09 | brlcad | riiight |
| 15:38.22 | brlcad | how much money you got :) |
| 15:38.22 | ``Erik | and so far, it's taken more than 3 days to track down and fix each protocol transaction |
| 15:38.38 | ``Erik | uhm, not enough, and they're taking more to fix my car :D |
| 15:38.46 | ``Erik | 3 uninterrupted dedicated days |
| 15:39.02 | ``Erik | this nmg_fix_normal thing kinda derailed me |
| 15:39.03 | brlcad | so two weeks |
| 15:39.09 | ``Erik | mebbe |
| 15:39.26 | ``Erik | which is probably how long it'd take to get split view 'just working' over teh network |
| 15:39.44 | brlcad | screw split view, seriously |
| 15:39.50 | brlcad | at least for now |
| 15:39.58 | ``Erik | that's the part that ed is hammering me on |
| 15:40.10 | brlcad | the db is the biggest problem |
| 15:40.17 | ``Erik | hm |
| 15:40.19 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 15:40.28 | brlcad | I can't use it without a db, that's sorta a huge problem |
| 15:40.39 | ``Erik | you have one at the office, but I agree |
| 15:41.20 | ``Erik | I was starting to build it up so you could shoot geometry across the network into the system, so'z the client was responsible for loading geometry |
| 15:41.22 | brlcad | yes, but users are in that same boat -- they don't have a db or at least experience with using one with that tool |
| 15:41.36 | ``Erik | hm |
| 15:41.49 | brlcad | they same that works public makes it work internal -- run X, Y, and Z, and you'll have spinning tank |
| 15:41.54 | ``Erik | and since the code isn't in the sf repo, I can't chekc it out here ;D hehe |
| 15:43.16 | ``Erik | putting it all into a signle binary would make a lot of the ugly of dealing with it go away |
| 15:43.36 | ``Erik | debugging 3 networked programs (which don't clean up nicely) is a pain :) *shrug* |
| 15:43.44 | brlcad | "start adrt_master, then start adrt_slave and connect it to the master, then start isst and connect to the master" would work great if that really was all there was to it, but there's the g-adrt data conversion, insertion into the db, config of tools to use db, etc |
| 15:44.46 | ``Erik | the g-adrt.c program does the database insertion now |
| 15:45.01 | brlcad | heck, "adrt_master && adrt_slave -m localhost && isst -c localhost" ;) |
| 15:45.46 | ``Erik | more like gdb adrt_master, run -v, new terminal, gdb adrt_slave, run localhost, gdb isst, run :D |
| 15:46.40 | ``Erik | meh, jawjacking is fun and all, but it's time to code :D |
| 15:46.42 | brlcad | er, actually, "adrt_master moss.g moss && isst -c localhost" would be trivial, make adrt_master exec an adrt_slave if none are attached |
| 15:47.31 | brlcad | then one more exec in isst to system() a master and that's a one-command step ;) |
| 15:48.33 | ``Erik | system is evil |
| 15:48.43 | ``Erik | execlp() if your'e going down that road, yo |
| 15:49.35 | ``Erik | I d'no, my thought is that if I bypass the networking code in the gui and just call the functions instead, that'd make the chain far simpler and easier/quicker to hack on |
| 15:57.14 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33815 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtienet/ (Makefile.am load.c load.h load_g.c): break future .g loading into a seperate file. |
| 16:05.55 | ``Erik | heh, shoulda taken my laptop to the dealership, they have one of those coffee machines where you put a little cartridge in for a cup of coffee, and they had some good stuff in their selection |
| 16:10.29 | ``Erik | hm, being an svn noob... how deadly of a sin is it to create a temporary file in the repo, with intent to merge most of it into another (and throw away the rest) down the road? |
| 16:11.14 | ``Erik | oh, uh, uhhhhhhh shit, oh shit |
| 16:11.25 | ``Erik | I can't log into the irix machine |
| 16:39.49 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33816 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtienet/load_MySQL.c: move contents of g-adrt.c into the lib |
| 16:39.51 | ``Erik | solved |
| 17:09.52 | ``Erik | wtf |
| 17:10.20 | ``Erik | ok, this libpng up will not be trivial. |
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| 18:10.48 | brlcad | it's not a sin with svn |
| 18:11.28 | brlcad | it'll track up in the repo as a file that had a short life and presuming you remove it the same time that you merge it, the actions will be associated with each other as one changeset |
| 18:13.19 | brlcad | svn isn't smart enough to know that these N lines from file X were moved to file Y unless you commit the changes together -- more just change transactions on a file hierarchy |
| 18:14.50 | ``Erik | meh, whatever |
| 18:15.15 | ``Erik | I'm just gonna snarf pieces in and move 'em around later |
| 18:16.50 | brlcad | yeah, it's no big deal either way because you can still pull up the change history on a given file and see that it was temporary |
| 18:16.57 | brlcad | it won't leave turds like cvs |
| 18:17.28 | ``Erik | Attic/ ftw |
| 18:18.05 | ``Erik | shakes fist at twingy for a bit |
| 18:18.51 | ``Erik | seriously, mang, this was a sudden drop, but, uh, wtf, this is a fail handoff |
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| 18:51.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33817 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: news2tracker.sh may have a bug or it may have been user error, but someone needs to figure out which and fix the problem. |
| 18:52.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33818 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: victor wants inside command to work again with current edit objects. |
| 18:55.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33819 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: restore mged mirror command third-arg-as-axis for backwards compatibility -- request from victor. |
| 18:55.50 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33820 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: request to port g_lint to windows |
| 18:57.33 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33821 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: requests from the modeling team for a obl-g importer to match up with our nexporter. |
| 18:58.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33822 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: ls -A and/or e -A crash reportedly when trying to look for objects with a given attribute. |
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| 19:08.06 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33824 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/xyz-pl.c: quell warnings, style cleanup |
| 19:08.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33825 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/yuv-pix.c: need fb.h for fb_common_file_size() |
| 19:10.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33826 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/yuv-pix.c: cleanup |
| 19:29.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33827 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/wdb.h src/libwdb/constraint.c src/util/pc_test.c): change pc_mk_constraint() to mk_constraint() since it was moved into libwdb, making it consistent with the others. update the pc_test example to use it. |
| 19:30.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33828 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: quell log() shadow warning |
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| 19:42.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33832 10/brlcad/trunk/src/burst/burst.c: cleanup |
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| 22:40.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33838 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/gqa.c: Some of the writes to ged_result_str need to be semaphore protected. |
| 22:48.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33839 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/spring.c: |
| 22:48.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: OK, better - can now delete points and get valid coils in .25 turn increments. |
| 22:48.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: The tradeoff (not surprisingly in retrospect) was between number of control |
| 22:48.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: points and increments in which the coil can be deleted while being 'coiled'. |
| 22:48.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 1/4 of a turn is a decent compromise - it may be more important to have fine |
| 22:48.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: control when defining end sections. Also, number of turns is now accurately |
| 22:48.06 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: modeled. |
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| 23:08.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33840 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/spring.c: Start to break things out so multiple routines can add points to the same point list before making the pipe - needed for section support. |
| 23:16.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33841 10/brlcad/trunk/src/fb/bw-fb.c: cleanup |
| 23:20.49 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm - to do a pipe that coils in or out, it looks like the best pipe can do is to periodically adjust the bend radius further out and do a kind of stepped taper |
| 23:21.18 | starseeker | a continuously variable radius is out |
| 23:21.38 | starseeker | we'd need sweep to really do it right |
| 23:24.32 | starseeker | would an approximate taper be of any interest/use? |
| 23:25.16 | louipc | pipe threads |
| 23:25.28 | starseeker | threading is continuous though |
| 23:26.06 | starseeker | with this, you would have one quarter with radius 300, one with radius 295, one with 290, etc. etc. etc. |
| 23:26.25 | louipc | were you asking if a tapered helix would be of use? |
| 23:26.48 | starseeker | no, I was asking if the approximation that can be made with the pipe primitive would be worth the effort to set it up |
| 23:27.09 | louipc | hmm, not sure |
| 23:28.15 | starseeker | considering that pipe ALSO can't do real thread shapes... |
| 23:28.36 | starseeker | it might be ok to have an approximation |
| 23:28.59 | starseeker | but sweep could do the real deal on both counts, so it might make more sense to wait for sweep |
| 23:29.14 | louipc | yea |
| 23:29.40 | starseeker | coils can be handled with pipe, but that's approaching the limits of the primitive |
| 23:30.11 | starseeker | looks at the clock, winces, and decides to head back to the ranch... |
| 23:31.03 | louipc | I can imagine that it would become obsolete when another metaprimitive that uses sweeps and can do real thread shapes comes about |
| 23:31.42 | louipc | well, mostly.. |
| 23:36.13 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:36.26 | ``Erik | pipe is already a meta, it just creates torii and rcc's |
| 23:36.40 | ``Erik | thus the weird abitrary limitations |
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| 23:49.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33842 10/brlcad/trunk/src/fb/ (13 files): quell warnings |
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| 00:14.12 | brlcad | gah, drat |
| 00:14.28 | brlcad | starseeker: tcl upgrade is still missing something, maybe in the init.tcl script |
| 00:15.08 | brlcad | regress test is failing on the fastgen test with a Tcl_Init error Can't find a usable init.tcl in the following directories... |
| 00:15.31 | brlcad | hm, actually all the mged tests fail with the same error |
| 00:15.36 | brlcad | (on mac 10.4) |
| 00:16.02 | Twingy | o.O |
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| 00:18.11 | brlcad | starseeker: the failure is on an uninstalled build -- the auto_path is missing the source search directories which I believe is a mod to our bundled sources |
| 00:38.51 | starseeker | ok, I'll see if I can find it |
| 00:41.11 | starseeker | realizes he's probably going to have to do a diff on the old tree vs. the default tarball |
| 00:41.14 | starseeker | argh |
| 00:50.24 | brlcad | svn log the dir, there aren't that many changes |
| 00:50.59 | starseeker | is it an atomic change or was it rolled in as part of an update? |
| 00:56.49 | starseeker | oh, the unix/Makefile.in? |
| 01:08.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33844 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/unix/Makefile.in: Add back in unix Makefile.in changes |
| 02:33.53 | starseeker | tries to figure out where auto_path is getting /usr/lib |
| 02:49.48 | starseeker | oh, it's sucking in my system TCLLIBPATH |
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| 03:04.12 | starseeker | blinks |
| 03:04.24 | starseeker | the failing line is: $this configure -menu $itk_component(menubar) |
| 03:04.41 | starseeker | $this contains ::.archer0 |
| 04:44.49 | starseeker | ah, ding nabbit - I forgot my list of National Archive stuff at work |
| 04:45.16 | starseeker | will have to go in on monday |
| 05:04.18 | starseeker | ah, nuts |
| 05:04.33 | starseeker | me remembers regression testing currently needs an in-tree build and starts over |
| 05:17.22 | starseeker | ah HAH |
| 05:17.38 | starseeker | didn't look at the auto_path closely enough |
| 05:18.56 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m5ffe7078 |
| 05:19.08 | starseeker | somehow, /usr/lib/* stuff got sucked in |
| 05:19.41 | starseeker | anybody else tried archer with a recent svn checkout built on a machine with system tcl/tk/itcl/itk already installed? |
| 05:19.55 | starseeker | but using local tcl/tk/itcl/itk for brlcad? |
| 05:35.35 | starseeker | eyes libtclcad's tclcad_auto_path |
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| 10:00.44 | alex_joni | how would one go on with converting a mesh to a solid? |
| 11:48.26 | d-lo | alex_joni: You would have to enclose the mesh or, if its easier, extrude it out into a solid. |
| 11:48.48 | alex_joni | d-lo: I think the mesh is closed |
| 11:49.44 | d-lo | alex_joni: Well, if its already enclosed, there is a property you can set to make it a solid instead of just a shell. |
| 11:49.47 | alex_joni | (it's a 3D mesh in STL or any other format) |
| 11:50.17 | d-lo | Get the mesh into solid edit mode. |
| 11:50.59 | alex_joni | d-lo: downloading brl-cad atm :) |
| 11:51.18 | alex_joni | (7.12.6 win) |
| 11:52.19 | d-lo | Good deal! :D |
| 12:01.37 | d-lo | Meshes are called BoTs in Brlcad btw. |
| 12:10.43 | alex_joni | d-lo: got a link to a crashcourse in brlcad? |
| 12:10.52 | alex_joni | or.. can I do the stuff I need in Archer? |
| 12:11.49 | d-lo | Archer and BRLCAD are very similar. BRLCAD is much more functional whereas Archer is less-so, but much prettier on the User Inferface side of the house. |
| 12:12.02 | d-lo | Both, however, should do what you want to do with BoTs.... maybe |
| 12:12.03 | alex_joni | I did start mged in the past |
| 12:12.20 | alex_joni | how would I go on with importing a STL ? |
| 12:12.21 | d-lo | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 12:13.12 | d-lo | page 21 of this pdf: |
| 12:13.16 | d-lo | http://brlcad.org/w/images/6/66/Converting_Geometry.pdf |
| 12:13.26 | d-lo | shows the stl-g conversion steps. |
| 12:13.31 | alex_joni | coo |
| 12:14.00 | d-lo | It is common practice to try several conversion paths if the initial try doesn't work. |
| 12:14.38 | d-lo | aka if stl->g path doesn't work, load the stl file into pro/E or Unigraphics and export a DXF... then try the dxf -> g |
| 12:15.12 | d-lo | I have used Blender on occasion to convert files to .dxf and use the dxf->g converter.... |
| 12:15.30 | d-lo | how large is the stl file you are talking about? |
| 12:15.54 | alex_joni | hang on.. just figured out I have only obj's |
| 12:15.58 | alex_joni | converting them to STL now |
| 12:16.00 | alex_joni | < 2MB |
| 12:16.32 | alex_joni | 100k for the STL |
| 12:16.45 | d-lo | ok, no ginormous files then. |
| 12:16.59 | alex_joni | (not at this point ;) |
| 12:17.04 | alex_joni | I have some 40M ones |
| 12:17.07 | alex_joni | but not for now |
| 12:17.18 | alex_joni | STL needs to be ASCII? |
| 12:17.34 | alex_joni | n/m -b does the trick |
| 12:17.41 | d-lo | there were some recent reports of dxf files acting rather strange once the file size approaches 1.5 gigs... |
| 12:17.45 | alex_joni | Using solid name: s.stl |
| 12:17.45 | alex_joni | 2100 facets |
| 12:17.46 | alex_joni | Making region (r.stl) |
| 12:17.58 | d-lo | sounds like its working :) |
| 12:18.01 | alex_joni | d-lo: ROFL :) |
| 12:18.05 | alex_joni | 1.5gig :) |
| 12:18.39 | alex_joni | ok, the .g opened in archer |
| 12:18.52 | alex_joni | I have a tree on the left (all->r.stl->s.stl) |
| 12:19.19 | d-lo | sounds like it worked |
| 12:19.53 | alex_joni | stupid question.. is there a way to see it? |
| 12:20.03 | alex_joni | or should I raytrace it? |
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| 12:20.42 | mafm | hi |
| 12:21.40 | d-lo | raytracing should work |
| 12:21.43 | d-lo | Hi mafm! |
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| 12:38.34 | alex_joni | 14:15 < d-lo> there were some recent reports of dxf files acting rather strange |
| 12:38.34 | alex_joni | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.43 | alex_joni | oops.. wrong paste :/ |
| 12:42.23 | alex_joni | d-lo: can you check if this is ok? http://eneas.juve.ro/~juve/brlcad/s2.g |
| 12:44.45 | d-lo | Looks good so far... what did you want me to check> |
| 12:44.46 | d-lo | ? |
| 12:46.00 | alex_joni | if there is anything there |
| 12:46.09 | alex_joni | I can't seem to get it to display or raytrace anything |
| 12:46.24 | alex_joni | ahhh... found it ;) |
| 12:46.33 | alex_joni | need to right-click on s.stl and enable the view |
| 12:46.45 | d-lo | Okay, well i found a problem. |
| 12:46.54 | d-lo | the 'bolt holes' on the base are an issue. |
| 12:47.24 | d-lo | they are supposed to be a subtraction from the main bot, but instead, they are *part* of the main bot.... thus they are confusing the raytracer. |
| 12:47.42 | alex_joni | d-lo: I don't really care about the holes ;) |
| 12:47.53 | alex_joni | I need to weld the subparts, so the holes are not interesting .. |
| 12:47.54 | d-lo | They should be removed or replaced. |
| 12:48.02 | alex_joni | I see |
| 12:48.09 | d-lo | well, they holes are making the geometry invalid. |
| 12:48.40 | d-lo | just do a raytrace looking down into the hole from the top and then up from the bottom.... its a magic 'hole' :) |
| 12:49.58 | d-lo | Since they were supposed to be a subtraction, the holes are 'mini-bots' in themselves, so they should be seperate solids. Since they aren't, there are two solids existing in one and have overlapping faces. |
| 12:50.35 | d-lo | the raytracer determins solidity by the amount of faces hit along the path of a ray (1st = in, 2nd = out, 3rd = in, etc) |
| 12:51.03 | d-lo | so when there are two faces overlapping, you get the first two hits immediately |
| 12:51.28 | d-lo | and trick the raytracer into thinking its exited the solid, when, in reality, its inside it. |
| 12:51.50 | d-lo | Now, this may not matter to your needs, but it will make the raytraced pictures inaccurate. |
| 12:52.27 | alex_joni | I saw that |
| 12:53.25 | d-lo | Looks like the same phenominon is happening on the top with those 4 (or 8) cyls |
| 12:54.23 | d-lo | I have some homebrewed tools that can eliminate the boltholes and those cyls very quickly if you want me to. Just need an email addy to send the file back when I am done. |
| 12:54.49 | alex_joni | d-lo: I have about 10 of these files, but I don't think the bother is worth it :) |
| 12:55.04 | alex_joni | if I can convert it to a solid (even if it looks funny around those holes), I'm happy |
| 12:55.34 | alex_joni | now.. you said there is a flag I can change so I can convert it from g to some other solid format? |
| 12:55.45 | d-lo | alrighty. Just noticed that the smaething is happening in the middle with those tab thingys about halfway up |
| 12:56.04 | d-lo | Just curious, why do you need it 'solid' ? |
| 12:56.07 | alex_joni | I notice in attributes it says" |
| 12:56.18 | alex_joni | "This is a solid object (not just a surface)" |
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| 12:59.27 | d-lo | I believe thats the setting I was talking about.. my desktop is chewing on optimizing your BoT... when its done I will look at that attr. |
| 13:00.31 | d-lo | where did you see that message>? |
| 13:02.44 | alex_joni | in archer under advanced |
| 13:02.57 | alex_joni | I switched to mode Advanced |
| 13:03.03 | alex_joni | and I have an attributes tab on the right |
| 13:03.09 | starseeker | fyi, Archer is experimental |
| 13:03.20 | starseeker | mged is still the "workhorse" at the moment |
| 13:03.42 | alex_joni | starseeker: I know that.. a bit too much to chew on atm though |
| 13:03.51 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 13:04.28 | d-lo | I pulled out those geometric flaws and reoptimized the bot. (got the vertex count down by over 65% ;) ) |
| 13:04.47 | d-lo | but I am seeing some issues with those triangled shape thingies in the middle. |
| 13:04.51 | d-lo | What is this btw? |
| 13:07.02 | alex_joni | d-lo: it's a support thingie from a factory |
| 13:07.19 | alex_joni | side wall support |
| 13:07.52 | alex_joni | you asked earlier why I need a solid, I need to import it (an ACIS sat file) into a robot programming and simulation package.. |
| 13:08.44 | d-lo | Cool... well, those bolt holes are going to mess with your 'Solidity' |
| 13:09.03 | d-lo | if you need 100% prime cut Geometry, you will need to get rid of those flaws. |
| 13:09.27 | alex_joni | I see that g-iges does something, and converts 1 solid to NMG's before exporting to IGES (according to the log) |
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| 13:11.04 | d-lo | that sounds about right. |
| 13:11.47 | alex_joni | but trying to import it in another app it fails on the iges format |
| 13:15.19 | alex_joni | I don't suppose there's an g-acis hidden somewhere? |
| 13:15.21 | alex_joni | or g-step ? |
| 13:18.42 | alex_joni | d-lo: http://eneas.juve.ro/~juve/brlcad/s32.g (this one should be without the holes) |
| 13:23.23 | d-lo | alex_joni: No, no g-acis nor g-step. Do you have another application that could be used as middleman for the conversion? |
| 13:25.11 | alex_joni | yeah, that's what I'm trying with IGES |
| 13:25.37 | alex_joni | (using Alibre which I have here, but i get "Object reference not set to an instance of an object." - whatever that might mean |
| 13:26.16 | d-lo | Okay, took a look at s32.g and it looks 100% valid. |
| 13:26.46 | d-lo | since its already a BoT, you might try g-dxf, then dxf->step or dxf->acis |
| 13:28.32 | alex_joni | is dxf 3D? |
| 13:28.45 | alex_joni | (the dxf that g-dxf writes I mean) |
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| 13:29.52 | d-lo | Yes, I believe it is. |
| 13:30.00 | alex_joni | it seems so |
| 13:35.40 | d-lo | Good deal. Everything working then? |
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| 13:39.53 | alex_joni | d-lo: nope ;) |
| 13:40.32 | d-lo | whats brokeded? |
| 13:40.32 | alex_joni | d-lo: ACAD doesn't want to open it .. |
| 13:40.42 | d-lo | in what format |
| 13:40.43 | d-lo | ? |
| 13:40.57 | alex_joni | dxf |
| 13:41.14 | d-lo | what other formats does ACAD open? |
| 13:41.31 | alex_joni | it says "improper table entry name on line 20" |
| 13:41.53 | d-lo | whats line 20 look like then? Any illegal characters? |
| 13:42.17 | alex_joni | dxf, dwg, acis, 3ds |
| 13:42.25 | alex_joni | 20: r.stl/s.stl |
| 13:42.41 | alex_joni | I tried changing that to a number, then it moves on 4 lines, and complains about a missing table something |
| 13:42.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33845 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c: Clearing the Tcl auto_path before tclcad_auto_path does its work gets archer up and running with local tcl/tk. Need to check its impact on builds using system tcl/tk |
| 13:43.43 | d-lo | you could try dxf->3ds in Blender :/ |
| 13:45.51 | alex_joni | heh, now that would lead a nice conversion path :D |
| 13:46.13 | alex_joni | dxf (mesh) -> obj -> stl -> g -> dxf -> 3ds -> dxf -> acis |
| 13:47.00 | alex_joni | d-lo: thanks for the effort though :) .. I'll probably go with a non-free conversion that creates a solid in ACAD from the mesh |
| 13:47.12 | starseeker | arrrgh, now archer crashes when trying to open a file |
| 13:47.15 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m28988fe4 |
| 13:49.57 | d-lo | alex_joni: You can't take the original dxf straight to g using dxf-g? |
| 13:50.57 | alex_joni | d-lo: nope, it seems it does only see 2-3 polylines |
| 13:51.14 | d-lo | Hrm, where is this dxf coming from? |
| 13:51.29 | alex_joni | some design studio :) |
| 13:51.49 | alex_joni | it would have been great if they used a SOLID in Acad when they drew it |
| 13:52.03 | alex_joni | then it would just have worked to export it from Acad, and I would be done with it |
| 13:53.05 | alex_joni | I did notice this when using g-dxf though: |
| 13:53.07 | alex_joni | db_walk_subtree() FAIL on '/r.stl/s.stl' |
| 13:53.07 | alex_joni | nmg_fix_normals: nmg_classify_s_vs_s() failed for shells x103ac48 and x1043a40 |
| 13:53.08 | alex_joni | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.56 | d-lo | strangeness. |
| 13:54.29 | alex_joni | d-lo: given the conversion path above I'm not _that_ surprised ;) |
| 13:54.54 | d-lo | this is yet another need for a obj-g converter :/ |
| 13:57.52 | alex_joni | d-lo: after messing with the dxf I was able to load it in acad |
| 13:58.08 | alex_joni | it's now full of 3DFACES not POLYMESH (like it was initially) |
| 13:58.12 | alex_joni | but it's still no solid |
| 13:59.27 | alex_joni | (messing meaning hacking the dxf header) |
| 14:01.24 | d-lo | Hrm, well, you might wanna take a look at the DXF standard... maybe there is something you can edit in the dxf file that will set the objects to solids... then you can forego the whole bloody conversion path all together! |
| 14:04.53 | archivist | reminds me of the days of writing dxf fixing scripts |
| 14:24.05 | starseeker | sigh, and RamDebugger still won't run in bwish - after all that it's a different issue |
| 14:24.17 | starseeker | closes down the xterms and heads in to work... |
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| 14:59.26 | yukonbob | starseeker: what are you trying to fix w/ RamDebugger? |
| 15:40.35 | brlcad | yay, finally back on-line |
| 15:40.52 | brlcad | arrived home to dead internet service last night, now restored after a two-hour phone call |
| 15:43.11 | brlcad | terminology snafu -- "Archer and BRLCAD are very similar" .. Archer is a component of BRL-CAD, I believe he meant MGED instead of "BRLCAD" .. MGED and Archer are very similar |
| 15:43.18 | brlcad | ( alex_joni ) |
| 15:45.19 | brlcad | those external tools that had trouble with dxf weren't ours -- and that 1.5GB limit is almost certainly a 32-bit app trying to read in the entire file in and running out of memory |
| 15:45.31 | brlcad | (at least, running out of 32-bit addressable memory) |
| 15:52.08 | brlcad | alex_joni: also, fwiw -- depending on your version of AutoCAD (and I assume you mean autocad and not a tool from GD specifically called 'ACAD') -- they're even inconsistent on their interpretation of their DXF spec |
| 15:53.23 | brlcad | dxf spec itemizes illegal characters, none of which we use iirc, but then there are some versions of autocad that won't read various other characters (e.g., the slashes) |
| 15:54.29 | brlcad | and there was a long time where there was ambiguity on whether all faces were 4-points or whether 3-point faces (i.e., triangles) were valid .. so if you had a triangle and only 4-point 3dfaces were allowed, you had to repeat the last point per the spec |
| 16:08.59 | starseeker | yukonbob: In theory it would be helpful debugging pure tcl applications like Archer and rtwizard |
| 16:09.06 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, they're going to get me apple certified |
| 16:09.09 | PrezKennedy | how ironic eh? |
| 16:20.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r33846 10/rt^3/trunk/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:20.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: - virtual constructor and assignment operator for the Object |
| 16:20.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: - some more functionality for the Combination |
| 16:20.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: - clean-ups |
| 16:20.54 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: ironic? no .. inspiring ;) |
| 16:33.17 | PrezKennedy | it only take 40 screws to pop that hard drive outta your laptop... ;) |
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| 17:38.23 | alex_joni | brlcad: ok, thanks for the insight |
| 17:38.44 | alex_joni | (although I'm not a long time user of BRLCAD, I do know what mged and Archer are ;) |
| 17:39.14 | alex_joni | and for the dxf part, I think you're right, this was using AutoCAD 2009, but I wouldn't be too surprised if things were different with an older version |
| 18:13.58 | starseeker | grrrrr |
| 18:14.08 | starseeker | come on pipe, figure it out |
| 18:15.16 | starseeker | apparently pipe won't automatically "smooth" the difference between slopes where two coiling patterns join |
| 18:16.20 | starseeker | starts scribbling math to calculate the tgc required to at least make the transition solid, if not truly "smooth" |
| 18:25.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1212 10/wiki/Main_Page: 3rd party utils |
| 18:25.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1213 10/wiki/Third_Party_Utilities: hex |
| 18:28.31 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: I don't have that laptop, only macbook pro's ftw |
| 18:31.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1214 10/wiki/Hex: New page: Supported items: * Hex head metric bolts: M1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 27, 30, 33, 36, 39, 42, 45, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64 * Basic metric threaded nuts, * ... |
| 18:32.20 | brlcad | ~nslookup 77.58.247.103 |
| 18:32.41 | brlcad | smells sushi edits ;) |
| 18:34.10 | d-lo | good thing you like sushi eh? |
| 18:35.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1215 10/wiki/Hex: |
| 18:42.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1216 10/wiki/Hex: |
| 18:53.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1217 10/wiki/Hex: /* Installation */ |
| 18:55.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1218 10/wiki/Hex: /* Installation */ |
| 18:57.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1219 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Projects */ |
| 18:58.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1220 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Projects */ |
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| 18:59.25 | _sushi_ | I made a wiki page about the threade bolts tool http://brlcad.org/wiki/Hex |
| 18:59.34 | d-lo | we saw :) |
| 18:59.39 | d-lo | looks neat! |
| 18:59.49 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33847 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (18 files in 6 dirs): Fixed a few bugs |
| 19:00.10 | starseeker | ah, OK. |
| 19:00.39 | starseeker | shoot - doing quarter turn tricks over constrains the coil when individual sections need to be "blended" |
| 19:00.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1221 10/wiki/Hex: /* Usage */ |
| 19:00.59 | starseeker | OK, guess I caln live with that |
| 19:03.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33848 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/spring.c: |
| 19:03.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Working example of a coil with a squared end. Will have to give up quarter turn |
| 19:03.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: increment control in editing in order to allow pipe to smoothly join sections - |
| 19:03.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: that's an acceptable tradeoff. There are other tricks that can be done |
| 19:03.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: (including manual pipe editing, for that matter) if something really weird is |
| 19:03.25 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: needed. |
| 19:04.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1222 10/wiki/Hex: |
| 19:05.30 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1223 10/wiki/Hex: |
| 19:06.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1224 10/wiki/Hex: |
| 19:07.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1225 10/wiki/Hex: |
| 19:10.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33849 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/samples/BrlcadJava.java: Addef a usage message |
| 19:15.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33850 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/gqa.c mged/cmd.c mged/cmd.h mged/setup.c): |
| 19:15.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Added a -Ap option to libged's ged_gqa function for creating psuedo-solid |
| 19:15.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: wireframe of overlaps. Added a cmd_ged_gqa wrapper to MGED for using the |
| 19:15.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: currently displayed objects if no objects were specified on the command line. |
| 19:22.39 | _sushi_ | I am getting this error when compiling 7.14.0 /bin/sh: /home/clock/brlcad-7.14.0/src/other/tcl/unix/tclsh: No such file or director |
| 19:22.42 | _sushi_ | y |
| 19:24.23 | brlcad | hrm, need more of the build log |
| 19:25.10 | _sushi_ | seems I am getting this problem http://www.mail-archive.com/brlcad-tracker@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00113.html |
| 19:25.17 | _sushi_ | I am trying autogen.sh |
| 19:25.29 | _sushi_ | autogen.sh passed |
| 19:25.48 | brlcad | ah, yeah |
| 19:25.52 | brlcad | that's probably the problem |
| 19:26.33 | brlcad | _sushi_: can you post a full build log somewhere? |
| 19:26.52 | _sushi_ | now the ./configure is printing endless cycle of configure: Would you like to continue with /usr as the install prefix? [yes/no] |
| 19:26.54 | brlcad | don't have the problem here to reproduce it so a fix can be made |
| 19:26.55 | _sushi_ | configure: Please answer 'yes' or 'no' |
| 19:26.56 | _sushi_ | and ignores my keyboard input |
| 19:26.58 | _sushi_ | configure: |
| 19:27.03 | _sushi_ | Even if I paste "yes\n" in one mouse-click |
| 19:27.12 | _sushi_ | Before it worked without the autogen.sh |
| 19:27.33 | brlcad | you're installing into /usr ? .. yikes |
| 19:27.45 | _sushi_ | Yes the previous brl-cad was installed into usr |
| 19:27.59 | brlcad | k, still surprising :) |
| 19:28.13 | _sushi_ | I am actually reinstalling because of rendering bug in 7.10.4 |
| 19:28.56 | _sushi_ | 7.10.4 renders my holder incorrectly http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/plazmatron_0.png |
| 19:29.20 | _sushi_ | The yellow thing is interrupted in the middle you can see the wand with the ball at the end ends in the air it shouldn't |
| 19:29.35 | _sushi_ | And the blue part is having a "horn" sticking out which apparently cannot have any mechanical function |
| 19:29.54 | _sushi_ | Well is there a way I can get through the endless loop of questions? |
| 19:30.18 | brlcad | if it stays stuck, you can set BRLCAD_ROOT_OVERRIDE and it'll skip the yes/no question, though I'm curious how it got stuck in a loop |
| 19:30.30 | brlcad | post your configure file somewhere |
| 19:30.47 | brlcad | it's a simple loop that just does a read until it gets a yes or a no |
| 19:31.24 | _sushi_ | Good I hacked the yes test in configure |
| 19:31.58 | _sushi_ | replaced read with assignment =yes :) |
| 19:32.25 | _sushi_ | I am still getting the tclsh error |
| 19:32.43 | brlcad | you would have to rebuild cleanly |
| 19:33.20 | _sushi_ | http://twibright.com/typescript |
| 19:33.27 | _sushi_ | what should I do to rebuild cleanly |
| 19:38.19 | _sushi_ | The configure AFTER runjning autogen.sh is at http://twibright.com/configure |
| 19:39.54 | _sushi_ | Now it compiles suspiciously long. The problem may be gone. |
| 19:40.21 | _sushi_ | Actually isn't. Still pops up: /bin/sh: /home/clock/brlcad-7.14.0/src/other/tcl/unix/tclsh: No such file or directory |
| 19:41.32 | _sushi_ | trying --enable-all... |
| 19:41.36 | starseeker | brlcad: here's the bomb log from the pipe raytracing crash: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m35029930 |
| 19:44.37 | _sushi_ | When I do rm config.cache* then ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-all then it crashes on a different error: |
| 19:44.50 | _sushi_ | ./src/htmltcl.c: In function 'configureCmd': |
| 19:44.50 | _sushi_ | ./src/htmltcl.c:1351: error: 'HTML_DEFAULT_CSS' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 19:49.47 | brlcad | http://twibright.com/configure is a 404 |
| 19:50.12 | _sushi_ | ah connection refused |
| 19:50.17 | brlcad | ah, server is down |
| 19:50.24 | _sushi_ | it's a friend's apache tomcat |
| 19:50.40 | _sushi_ | when it crashes you usually wait for a short time and it's up again |
| 19:51.24 | brlcad | that backtrace is useless, it's for the wrong thread |
| 19:51.37 | brlcad | unfortunately |
| 19:51.45 | _sushi_ | brlcad: you are not talking about my log now are you? |
| 19:51.58 | brlcad | yep |
| 19:52.05 | _sushi_ | the typescript is useless? |
| 19:52.34 | brlcad | well, yeah, it's fairly useless too other than it confirmed that it's the same problem as the one you found on the mailing list |
| 19:52.50 | brlcad | but no, I mean http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m35029930 isn't useful unfortunately |
| 19:53.22 | brlcad | the automatic bomb report only shows the main thread -- if it's ray-tracing, there are potentially lots of threads |
| 19:53.31 | brlcad | could try -P1 to force single cpu |
| 19:53.59 | brlcad | or attaching with a debugger while it's running to get a proper trace for any one of the threads |
| 19:55.49 | _sushi_ | brlcad: http://twibright.com/configure is up again |
| 20:00.28 | brlcad | don't see anything wrong with your configure script unless you have a bused 'read' command |
| 20:00.39 | brlcad | run this one-liner: |
| 20:00.40 | brlcad | echo "type yes or no" ; while true ; do read a ; case "x$a" in x*[yY][eE][sS]*) a=yes ; break; ;; x*[nN][oO]*) a=no; break; ;; x*) echo "answer yes or no" ; ;; esac ; done ; echo "you answered $a" |
| 20:01.50 | brlcad | that's the exact same logic it's using |
| 20:03.55 | _sushi_ | makes this - no loop: |
| 20:03.55 | _sushi_ | type yes or no |
| 20:03.55 | _sushi_ | yes |
| 20:03.55 | _sushi_ | you answered yes |
| 20:04.30 | _sushi_ | This one fortunately isn't critical while I can hack it easily |
| 20:04.48 | _sushi_ | But how to get through the one with tcl or the one with CSS I have no idea |
| 20:06.14 | _sushi_ | brlcad: can I produce some better typescript that tells you more about the cause/ |
| 20:10.50 | _sushi_ | brlcad: what's interesting if I don't run autogen.sh (using the configure from the tarball), it doesn't make the infinite yes loop. |
| 20:11.17 | _sushi_ | if my read were screwed up, then it would happen even in this situation |
| 20:25.48 | _sushi_ | Even symlinking the system-wide tcl into the required directory doesn't help - compiles for a long time then makes: //home/clock/brlcad-7.14.0/src/other/incrTcl/.libs/libitcl.so: undefined reference to `TclVarHashCreateVar' |
| 20:26.38 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33851 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/spring.c: Successfully squared off both ends of a coil. |
| 20:27.19 | starseeker | brlcad: regression tests succeed for mged on my Mac with latest checkout |
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| 20:32.49 | starseeker | brlcad: let's try this: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m1967e293 |
| 20:33.01 | _sushi_ | brlcad: any idea wha tI could temporarily do to get around the problem and compile a BRL-CAD that doesn't produce this raytracing error? |
| 20:33.14 | starseeker | winces at the sight of boolweave |
| 20:37.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33852 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am coil.c spring.c): Let's get this renamed - it's coil, not spring - spring is too general in terms of possible geometries. |
| 20:39.21 | _sushi_ | I tried ./configure without --prefix, also crashes on tcl |
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| 21:39.40 | brlcad | cool, http://www.kenradio.com/content/view/1756/30/ |
| 21:39.46 | brlcad | thanks ken |
| 21:41.07 | brlcad | _sushi_: I know it's not critical, it's just really odd -- if you still have the busted configure script, add a print statement on the x*) case to print the $bc_answer |
| 21:41.27 | brlcad | otherwise we'll just ignore it |
| 21:42.10 | brlcad | by your 'read' being messed up, the difference is in which interpreter is getting used, whether read is external or built-in (shell) command, etc |
| 21:43.07 | brlcad | starseeker: oh, nice -- badmagic's in boolweave are pretty rare |
| 21:43.53 | brlcad | _sushi_: give me a shell somewhere and I could try to produce a build interactively |
| 21:44.30 | brlcad | otherwise, you could try using the latest sources -- tcl version is different there |
| 21:46.12 | brlcad | starseeker: wince all you like, but that is actually one of the most valuable bits of logic in librt |
| 21:46.40 | brlcad | highly optimized and tuned to exact behavior, tolerance corrections, interference detection, and performance |
| 21:48.01 | brlcad | I've attempted to rewrite it to be "more clean" about a half-dozen times and every single time I've either killed performance or changed behavior |
| 21:48.20 | brlcad | it'd be interesting to come up with a test harness that exercises every line of code in there |
| 21:49.37 | louipc | There's some spam here: http://brlcad.org/d/node/31#comments |
| 21:49.59 | brlcad | starseeker: once it's more complete, coil can move to src/shapes |
| 21:50.10 | brlcad | (like at the point that it gets documentation) |
| 21:50.30 | brlcad | louipc: huh, thanks .. that's odd |
| 21:50.38 | brlcad | no comments are supposed to post without moderation |
| 21:53.31 | louipc | hmm, probably better to lose the comments altogether eh? |
| 21:57.22 | brlcad | louipc: possibly, though there are a few that are useful |
| 22:00.56 | brlcad | there's so few that actually got through, makes me think that they're actually real people behind them |
| 22:01.05 | brlcad | 4 in total |
| 22:06.18 | brlcad | woot, http://dreamcss.blogspot.com/2009/02/10-free-and-useful-open-source.html |
| 22:07.59 | louipc | aww they could have put a more interesting screenshot |
| 22:09.16 | brlcad | yeah :) |
| 22:09.35 | brlcad | website needs another face lift |
| 22:29.49 | brlcad | 'read' is failing |
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| 23:04.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33853 10/brlcad/trunk/m4/prefix.m4: if stdout is closed, read will fail on eof and loop infinitely. so we add some checks for failed read and basic sanity to only ask yes/no 10 times before giving up. |
| 23:08.26 | brlcad | that should take care of the infinite loop, now on to the next one later tonight |
| 23:08.31 | brlcad | (as I wait for this build) |
| 23:29.08 | starseeker | brlcad: not wincing at the boolweave code, but at the bug poping up there - there be dragons for debugging and code sensitivity |
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| 03:28.19 | starseeker | brlcad: fwiw, the crash seems to come when the pipe just fills the mged window |
| 04:28.53 | yukonbob | away |
| 04:28.57 | yukonbob | woops |
| 04:30.21 | yukonbob | starseeker: see: -DTCL_DEBUG_MEM |
| 08:50.53 | _sushi_ | brlcad: did you find something out? |
| 09:19.24 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0377.58.247.103 07http://brlcad.org * r1226 10/wiki/Hex: |
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| 13:49.53 | csanyipal | Hi |
| 14:01.37 | brlcad | howdy csanyipal! |
| 14:02.49 | brlcad | _sushi_: yes, the TclVarHashCreateVar error is because of a tcl+itcl version mismatch |
| 14:02.55 | brlcad | it's this problem: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=640802&aid=2029877&group_id=105292 |
| 14:03.11 | brlcad | checking an enable-all now |
| 14:03.37 | brlcad | csanyipal: are you the one with the students? |
| 14:12.51 | csanyipal | brlcad: yes, I'm a teacher in a secondary school. |
| 14:16.06 | brlcad | csanyipal: cool, I believe I've exchanged a few messages with one of your students |
| 14:16.38 | brlcad | or a group of them, rather -- for a modeling project you have them working on |
| 14:16.47 | csanyipal | In that case I'm not that one teacher, I belive.. |
| 14:21.25 | brlcad | hm |
| 14:22.57 | csanyipal | We have here a local competition of the informatics and I have just one student she made a simple model of an image holder.. |
| 14:28.19 | brlcad | these students were modeling some sort of space satellite, and are now trying to make an animation of it |
| 14:28.54 | csanyipal | It's interesting. :) |
| 14:29.42 | csanyipal | On the BRLCAD Wiki there is now an article about Animation.. |
| 14:30.19 | csanyipal | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Animation |
| 14:31.59 | csanyipal | I read this Article and try to find an application like the iPhoto on MAC OS but on the Debian GNU/Linux Lenny, but so far without a success. |
| 14:33.03 | csanyipal | Mayhep I try out the ffmpeg way to get an animation soon. |
| 14:33.30 | brlcad | yeah, ffmpeg is the way to go on linux |
| 14:33.41 | brlcad | just didn't get to putting the steps in, hoping someone else would :) |
| 14:33.54 | csanyipal | are these student using linux too? |
| 14:33.56 | brlcad | gimp maybe has a way too |
| 14:34.08 | csanyipal | I think about GIMP too.. |
| 14:34.34 | csanyipal | but I don't know how to import the frames: the png images? |
| 14:34.51 | brlcad | yeah, http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/1664.html |
| 14:35.39 | brlcad | another one: http://www.linux.com/feature/136606 |
| 14:35.41 | csanyipal | If one make a GIF animation with GIMP this result can be only a GIF image but not an avi file. |
| 14:35.47 | brlcad | (never used the latter) |
| 14:38.18 | csanyipal | Now I have a little problem with my Debian Lenny because this is a fresh installation and I must to set up some things like keyboard layouts.. |
| 14:39.58 | csanyipal | Later I will install again BRLCAD and try to make an animation with ffmpeg so if I have a success then I shall write it down in the BRLCAD WIKI. :) |
| 14:40.26 | brlcad | awesome |
| 14:46.47 | brlcad | looks like imagemagik may do the trick very simply if you have animation support compiled in .. convert *.jpg movie.mpg |
| 14:47.00 | brlcad | s/jpg/png/ |
| 14:48.07 | brlcad | notes http://www.stillhq.com/jpeg2mpeg/000001.html |
| 14:50.22 | csanyipal | if so then I will try it out too |
| 14:51.47 | csanyipal | I must go now to solve my problem with Debian Lenny Desktop. By for now! |
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| 15:33.26 | brlcad | starseeker: I still get the bwish Tcl_Init upgrade error, something is missing |
| 15:33.51 | brlcad | as of 33853 at least |
| 15:35.22 | brlcad | _sushi_: your compile worked just fine off a trunk checkout using --enable-all |
| 15:36.10 | brlcad | I think you were just impatient and didn't clean the build like I said you had to after rerunning configure |
| 15:36.43 | brlcad | so it had stale object files that still had the tcl+itcl mismatch |
| 16:40.15 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1227 10/wiki/Animation: add a section for MJPEG and ImageMagick |
| 16:50.25 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33854 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/unix/configure.in tk/unix/configure.in): Put autoconf minimums back (again) to 2.52 |
| 16:56.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33855 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/unix/ (Makefile.in configure.in): Attempt to re-apply tweaks for IRIX amde in r27764 |
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| 17:03.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33856 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tclProc.c: Reapply the tcl part of the fix in r27960 |
| 17:08.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33857 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/unix/tcl.m4 tk/unix/tcl.m4): Reapply tcl.m4 change from r28110 |
| 17:18.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33858 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Get more AC_PREREQ versions (per r28282) |
| 17:21.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33859 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tcl.h: Add back in quelling of HAVE_DECLSPEC warning from r28804 |
| 17:24.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33860 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/unix/Makefile.in: See if this addresses the issue with SGI make mentioned in r28933 |
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| 17:32.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33861 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tk/unix/Makefile.in: Merge in the Makefile.in changes from r29075 - tcl Makefile.in already had them applied, so be sure to use the diff from r29075 as a basis if this needs to be done again. |
| 17:34.49 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33862 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/win/tclWinPort.h: Merge in conditionally undef INCL_WINSOCK_API_TYPEDEFS from r29126 |
| 17:39.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33863 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tclInt.h: Reference common.h in tclInt.h (per r29324) |
| 17:44.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33864 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tk/unix/Makefile.in: Merge in the Makefile.in changes from r29830 - tcl Makefile.in already had them applied, so be sure to use the diff from r29830 as a basis if this needs to be done again. |
| 17:47.00 | brlcad | updates |
| 17:48.52 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33865 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tclInt.h: Merge in tclInt.h tweak for Windows from r30119 |
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| 17:49.46 | _sushi_ | brlcad: I went to gym turned the PC off and forgot you might have been doing something on it |
| 17:51.32 | brlcad | _sushi_: nope, I'm done |
| 17:51.55 | _sushi_ | brlcad: what did you find out? |
| 17:51.57 | brlcad | it builds cleanly without any changes after the inf. query loop was fixed |
| 17:52.29 | brlcad | I think you were just impatient :) |
| 17:52.32 | _sushi_ | How do I build it then? |
| 17:52.34 | brlcad | didn't clean the build like I said you had to after rerunning configure |
| 17:52.40 | brlcad | so it had stale object files that still had the tcl+itcl mismatch |
| 17:52.57 | _sushi_ | I deleted the directory and unpacked the .bz2 again |
| 17:53.00 | brlcad | otherwise it worked fine to just --enable-all |
| 17:53.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33866 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tcl.h: Merge in tcl.h changes from r30196 |
| 17:53.31 | brlcad | the build in my dir will install to /usr/brlcad if you run sudo make install |
| 17:54.11 | brlcad | otherwise can make clean, ./configure --enable-all --prefix=/usr --enable-optimized, make, sudo make install to get what you were going for |
| 17:55.02 | _sushi_ | Which version did you compile? Did you run autogen.sh? What did you specify on ./configure? |
| 17:55.13 | brlcad | yes, you have to run autogen.sh |
| 17:55.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33867 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tclInt.h: Merge in tclInt.h changes from r30367 |
| 17:55.35 | brlcad | and I just gave you the configure line..... |
| 17:56.09 | brlcad | though you should also add --without-ogl if the framebuffer gives you trouble |
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| 17:57.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33868 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tclInt.h: Merge in tclInt.h changes from r30424 |
| 17:57.25 | _sushi_ | brlcad: which version did you compile? SVN or 7.14.0? |
| 17:58.05 | brlcad | I always go straight to SVN |
| 17:58.15 | _sushi_ | Well I was compiling 7.14.0 |
| 17:58.15 | brlcad | no point wasting time on something that may have already been fixed |
| 17:58.23 | brlcad | though in this case I really don't think that was the problem |
| 17:58.49 | _sushi_ | I did a svn checkout of *EVERYTHING* into my home |
| 17:59.00 | _sushi_ | Now I go to brlcad/brlcad/trunk? |
| 17:59.06 | brlcad | you shouldn't do that :) |
| 17:59.16 | _sushi_ | Will it not compile because of that? |
| 17:59.23 | brlcad | that will make a copy of every branch and every tag |
| 17:59.36 | brlcad | no, it just wastes many many GB of space |
| 17:59.49 | _sushi_ | How do I checkout only the right one? |
| 17:59.49 | brlcad | and takes forever |
| 17:59.54 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 17:59.54 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 18:00.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33869 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/unix/Makefile.in tk/unix/Makefile.in): Hmm - line modded in r30505 in the Makefile.in's wasn't present at all - add it back in. |
| 18:04.42 | _sushi_ | du -sk brlcad <didn't finish> |
| 18:05.09 | _sushi_ | 19 GB :) |
| 18:05.55 | _sushi_ | brlcad: did you compile with the ogl or without ogl flag? |
| 18:10.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33870 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/unix/Makefile.in tk/unix/Makefile.in): Merge in changes to get Makefile.in's synced with r30534, trying to fix Ubuntu bug |
| 18:11.49 | brlcad | _sushi_: you should --without-ogl |
| 18:16.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33871 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tcl.h: Attempt to merge in change from r30938 |
| 18:20.07 | starseeker | brlcad: That's every change I was able to spot up to your changes to squash warnings, which I want to take a bit more care with |
| 18:20.19 | starseeker | for src/other/tcl at least |
| 18:29.44 | _sushi_ | brlcad: should be make clean done before autogen.sh or after? |
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| 19:59.59 | _sushi_ | brlcad: now it compiled - went through make |
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| 20:13.03 | groovyOrange | hello! (again) |
| 20:13.17 | groovyOrange | I'm looking foe Janin |
| 20:13.24 | groovyOrange | *for Janin |
| 20:14.16 | groovyOrange | she'd uploaded some files. I need to ask her. |
| 20:15.31 | groovyOrange | it's better for her to know she can connect me through love15411@gmail.com |
| 20:20.53 | groovyOrange | She have uploaded command files in XML. I want to use it with OmegaT.org and finish my past work. I can not search those files through the tracker on sourceforge.net => this can spend whole my traffic. |
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| 20:21.31 | _sushi_ | brlcad: wow! The new BRL-CAD 7.14.3 from SVN renders the problematic model correctly! :) |
| 20:21.55 | _sushi_ | brlcad: thanks! |
| 20:24.48 | groovyOrange | ruskie: Rusky, how long are you here? |
| 21:09.49 | ruskie | erm... |
| 21:09.54 | ruskie | been a while |
| 21:10.13 | groovyOrange | ruskie: yeah |
| 21:10.45 | ruskie | any particular reason? |
| 21:10.57 | groovyOrange | no... |
| 21:11.35 | groovyOrange | ruskie: don't you know a link where to get mged commands in xml as one file, e.g. as an archive? |
| 21:11.43 | ruskie | no |
| 21:11.49 | groovyOrange | ok |
| 21:12.02 | ruskie | I haven't yet even installed the app so far... |
| 21:12.11 | groovyOrange | why? |
| 21:12.18 | groovyOrange | i can help |
| 21:12.32 | ruskie | a) haven't gotten around to it b) wanted to package it and c) more than capable of setting it up |
| 21:12.34 | groovyOrange | what operating system? Linux? |
| 21:12.57 | groovyOrange | ok, i'm not really a programmer... |
| 21:13.54 | groovyOrange | last time i tried to export pipes and rods into IGES and it wasn't successful. |
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| 21:31.45 | groovyOrange | ok, i can be off-line now. ah, ok. I can ask starseeker... |
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| 15:17.08 | brlcad | starseeker: hm, well something is pooched still :) |
| 15:17.52 | brlcad | and I think the change I recall was maybe to the init.tcl or pkgIndex.tcl script |
| 15:18.06 | brlcad | either way, the pooching now is some basic syntax failure |
| 15:19.22 | brlcad | wonders who groovyOrange is/was and this supposed janin |
| 15:27.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33872 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tcl.h: Whoops - gummed up the CRTIMPORT stuff in tcl - put it back to where it builds |
| 16:38.18 | brlcad | that seems to have done the trick |
| 17:27.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33873 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): don't include autoconf output files in the source dist. this is what has been causing the reported build failures from source dist builds. users had to run autogen.sh to invalidate and regenerate outputs. |
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| 21:56.47 | tc-rucho | Hello, I'm about to try my first steps with BRL-CAD. Hope you don't mind some questions about how to get something working |
| 22:38.24 | starseeker | brlcad: I think "janin" is our docbook xml guru at work |
| 22:41.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33874 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: It's coil, not spring |
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| 23:44.37 | *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || GSoC 2008 Highlight: new prototype gui, check it out! || Source Release 7.14.2 is posted (20080207) | |
| 01:10.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33875 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (16 files in 7 dirs): |
| 01:10.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Corrected some bugs. |
| 01:10.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Added a bin directory |
| 01:16.01 | louipc | some bugs? :D |
| 02:01.24 | brlcad | starseeker: ah |
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| 06:36.07 | brlcad | burps what could quite possibly be some of the best wings he's had to date |
| 06:36.28 | brlcad | now to unbreak distcheck.. |
| 06:36.35 | yukonbob | goes to Wingnuts in Vancouver... |
| 06:36.46 | yukonbob | brlcad: question re: development methodology. |
| 06:36.54 | brlcad | yukonbob: shoot |
| 06:37.50 | yukonbob | I noticed you were helping somebody with a build, and you said "I usually just use HEAD, in case a bug is already solved there" -- so it must be a law "never check-in a broken build", correct? |
| 06:38.45 | brlcad | not quite so strict, but something to that effect -- at least not knowingly break the build or leave it in a broken state |
| 06:38.48 | yukonbob | heh -- /me sees previous comment "unbreak..." :) |
| 06:39.24 | yukonbob | I guess some philosophies are 100% strict... was wondering what your take on it is... |
| 06:40.00 | brlcad | yeah, there being a good example actually -- good faith fix was made that should have been benign, but later discovered that it wasn't and broke the build -- so now I can't proceed until things are fixed or reverted, and the issue shouldn't linger |
| 06:41.34 | brlcad | issues will happen, even with a 100% policy |
| 06:42.20 | brlcad | because in actuality, no matter how many tests you impose, that really only approaches 100% and is some level of 99.something% |
| 06:43.00 | brlcad | with process overhead (hopefully) giving you an order or two of additional confidence but at the *cost* of development fluidity and process overhead |
| 06:45.25 | brlcad | so my general take is to be more adaptive to whatever the situation is, able to respond to a failed build reasonably quickly and with responsibility on the devs to take good faith efforts to not break things and fix them when they are broken |
| 06:45.49 | brlcad | that's pretty much in-line with what is spelled out in the HACKING file too |
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| 13:55.36 | starseeker | d-lo: Could you pass the word I'm out sick today, if you're in? |
| 13:58.20 | brlcad | sorry to hear that starseeker |
| 13:58.54 | starseeker | brlcad: I guess it's reasonable - it hasn't happened much this past year - but it sucks :-( |
| 13:59.05 | starseeker | distcheck is still busted? |
| 13:59.18 | brlcad | my issue now |
| 14:00.03 | brlcad | fixed the makefile bunding, but also pulled configure and I don't understand why that isn't getting regenerated yet |
| 14:00.28 | starseeker | hmm. OK |
| 14:00.57 | brlcad | so the tcl init problem may still be there, but don't know |
| 14:01.58 | brlcad | got another test going now |
| 14:02.03 | brlcad | g'morning d-lo |
| 14:04.15 | d-lo | grumbles about state vehicle inspections... |
| 14:04.36 | d-lo | mornin brlcad! |
| 14:07.59 | d-lo | starseeker: Did you call and leave voice mails? |
| 14:08.13 | d-lo | starseeker: Sent an email to Ed, Paulette and Steph. |
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| 14:23.40 | _sushi_ | brlcad: the brlcad now works fine, thanks! |
| 14:57.58 | brlcad | _sushi_: glad to hear it |
| 15:13.02 | brlcad | woots as has a functioning distcheck, sans init errors |
| 15:13.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33876 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/Makefile.am tk/Makefile.am): so the configure scripts need to be included so they can be run immediately post-dist creation (and don't get a chance to regenerate), but don't include the Makefile files else evil trolls will foil thy compile. |
| 15:14.06 | brlcad | hm, though the init errors were during test, not distcheck.. testing |
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| 15:54.31 | brlcad | starseeker: woot, all working again |
| 16:51.48 | brlcad | plans to make a release this weekend if all still looks good |
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| 17:39.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33877 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/geometry/Hit.java: Added @Override annotation |
| 17:43.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33878 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/ (8 files in 3 dirs): More bug fixes |
| 17:48.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33879 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/samples/rt.java: Take into account the colortab |
| 17:54.39 | d-lo | Go John Go! |
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| 20:16.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33880 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/preppedGeometry/PreppedArb8.java: Corrected miss behavior |
| 20:17.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33881 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/spacePartition/RayData.java: Fixed variable that hid field |
| 20:19.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33882 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/preppedGeometry/ (PreppedEllipsoid.java PreppedRec.java PreppedTgc.java): Only Bot needs to add its segments to the RayData |
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| 21:04.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33883 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ged.c: Setting the default view to 35,25 |
| 21:05.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33884 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/setup.c: Set default display variables for when there's no database open. |
| 21:16.37 | brlcad | woot |
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| 21:55.56 | starseeker | d-lo: thanks :-) |
| 21:56.14 | starseeker | brlcad: excellent :-) |
| 21:56.40 | brlcad | yeah, and with those last two fixes from bob, might be good to go |
| 21:56.43 | starseeker | makes note to self to diff with 8.5.6 vanilla for future reference. |
| 21:56.51 | brlcad | can you test mged? |
| 21:57.01 | starseeker | sure, let me build quick |
| 21:57.35 | brlcad | at least for potential show-stopper issues, minor ones can just make the list for later |
| 22:03.52 | starseeker | brlcad: did bob show you the gqa visualization? |
| 22:04.25 | brlcad | I saw what he was working on last week |
| 22:04.32 | starseeker | ah :-) |
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| 22:05.37 | starseeker | now if we can make it use a default grid spacing based on the view size, we may be able to type gqa instead of rtcheck and get better results :-) |
| 22:07.06 | brlcad | gqa output would still need to be improved, rtcheck's is a little more organized |
| 22:07.33 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:07.41 | starseeker | that should be doable though |
| 22:08.12 | brlcad | would be nice to replace rtcheck so we don't have duplicate functionality |
| 22:08.23 | brlcad | even if the namesake remains |
| 22:08.28 | starseeker | indeed |
| 22:08.52 | starseeker | for full on replacement though, we'd have to have a "compatibility" mode, wouldn't we? to be able to duplicate previous results? |
| 22:09.19 | brlcad | not strictly speaking |
| 22:10.10 | brlcad | it just needs to at least do what rtcheck does to replace it |
| 22:10.16 | brlcad | more is okay, just shouldn't do less/worse |
| 22:10.49 | brlcad | one feature rtcheck will do still that gqa won't is user-specified view grids |
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| 22:11.03 | brlcad | should be a simple enhancement to add arbitrary views really |
| 22:11.12 | starseeker | that's what I was thinking |
| 22:11.47 | starseeker | we would need to do something of the sort eventually anyhow |
| 22:11.59 | brlcad | then maybe gqa's default is just 0 0 0, 0 90 0, 0 0 90 like it does now, but allow user to specify N arbitrary views to override |
| 22:12.22 | brlcad | so you could get rtcheck's exact rays being fired if you set up the same view and only that view with no refinement, for example |
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| 22:17.11 | starseeker | right |
| 22:17.36 | starseeker | then for the rtcheck alias, just hardcode the options that would provide the grid set derived from the view plane |
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| 22:41.06 | starseeker | brlcad: Seems to be doing find for release critical stuff - opendb didn't result in the background color being updated according to preferences, but I don't know if that's a problem or not |
| 22:41.47 | brlcad | does it display the wireframe when you e up something? |
| 22:42.30 | starseeker | yep |
| 22:45.24 | brlcad | k |
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| 23:56.02 | tc-rucho | hello, how can I set the twist angle in the view? |
| 23:56.29 | tc-rucho | azimut and elevation are set with 'ae', but, what about twist? |
| 23:56.57 | tc-rucho | I would find brlcad way more intuitive if it allowed me to just do 'view tw=15' |
| 23:57.09 | tc-rucho | or 'view set tw=15' |
| 23:57.19 | tc-rucho | but that doesn't work |
| 23:57.34 | brlcad | you have the right idea |
| 23:57.41 | brlcad | just the wrong syntax |
| 23:58.03 | tc-rucho | what's it then? |
| 23:58.14 | brlcad | two ways |
| 23:58.21 | tc-rucho | I've been looking for a way to do that for like 20 mins |
| 23:58.32 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:58.48 | brlcad | okay, so first slightly longer way, view command |
| 23:58.54 | brlcad | run view, see the list of subcommands |
| 23:58.57 | brlcad | one of them is aet |
| 23:59.06 | brlcad | view aet 0 0 30 |
| 23:59.10 | brlcad | az/el/twist |
| 23:59.16 | tc-rucho | oh, but when I tried 'help view aet' it was not documented |
| 23:59.38 | tc-rucho | mged> help view aet |
| 23:59.39 | tc-rucho | Usage: view center|size|eye|ypr|quat|aet |
| 23:59.41 | tc-rucho | (get/set view parameters (local units).) |
| 23:59.43 | tc-rucho | No help found for aet |
| 23:59.48 | brlcad | "help view aet" means "help view" and "help aet" |
| 23:59.57 | tc-rucho | I think that shouldn't say "no help found for aet" |
| 00:00.08 | tc-rucho | oh |
| 00:00.08 | brlcad | help view opendb closedb tra |
| 00:00.11 | brlcad | it'll give help on command(s) |
| 00:00.15 | tc-rucho | I see |
| 00:00.17 | brlcad | like man a b c |
| 00:00.23 | tc-rucho | but how to get help about suboptions of a command? |
| 00:00.45 | brlcad | there is no suboption help for that command |
| 00:00.50 | brlcad | but all is not lost |
| 00:00.56 | brlcad | notice the get/set |
| 00:01.07 | brlcad | run any one of those without arguments and it'll get the current value |
| 00:01.15 | brlcad | run with args and it'll set |
| 00:02.04 | tc-rucho | got it |
| 00:02.06 | tc-rucho | one more thing |
| 00:02.08 | brlcad | now the kicker, the 'ae' command does exactly the same |
| 00:02.20 | brlcad | if you run ae, how many numbers you see? |
| 00:02.34 | brlcad | guess which one is twist ;) |
| 00:03.01 | tc-rucho | how am I supposed to guess what do {eye, ypr, quat, aet} stand for? I know aet now, but how about the others? |
| 00:03.26 | brlcad | those are documented in the mged tutorial series |
| 00:03.36 | brlcad | one of the appendices |
| 00:03.41 | tc-rucho | mged> ae 45 45 0 |
| 00:03.43 | tc-rucho | mged> ae |
| 00:03.45 | tc-rucho | 45 45 -4.07111e-15 |
| 00:03.48 | tc-rucho | ^ wtf? lol |
| 00:03.58 | brlcad | they are also on the mged help menu somewhere |
| 00:04.02 | tc-rucho | I would expect it to return 45 45 0 |
| 00:04.30 | brlcad | that's basic x86 floating point unit behavior |
| 00:05.07 | brlcad | it can't exactly represent most integer values, that was the closest approximation |
| 00:05.26 | brlcad | far beyond numerical computation tolerance, mged just lets you know what the hardware did |
| 00:05.56 | tc-rucho | ok, I think I'm done asking stuff for now. Just one more thing. When I raytrace something it stays as a background image and no clue how to erase it, tried the 'fbclear' button in the raytrace menu but got an ugly 'command not found'. Any hint? |
| 00:06.05 | tc-rucho | maybe I have to check something in my path |
| 00:06.22 | brlcad | another place you can find more help on some of the commands, there's an mged quick reference card on the website under docs |
| 00:06.26 | ``Erik | export PATH=$PATH:/usr/brlcad/bin |
| 00:07.04 | brlcad | yeah, run that before you run mged and it should fix it - what version are you using? |
| 00:10.38 | ``Erik | wow... just... wow... http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1900391 |
| 00:13.20 | tc-rucho | 7.10.4 |
| 00:17.53 | tc-rucho | it would be really cool if brlcad had something like 'man' for a detailed explanation of every option available for a command (does it have it and I didn't notice?) |
| 00:18.58 | tc-rucho | oh yeah |
| 00:19.14 | tc-rucho | it does have a manpage for each command |
| 00:19.24 | brlcad | there are manpages for most of the external commands |
| 00:19.26 | tc-rucho | just that doesn't seem to be accessible from the mged |
| 00:19.30 | brlcad | yeah |
| 00:19.31 | tc-rucho | yeah, just noticed |
| 00:19.40 | brlcad | brlman will search the /usr/brlcad manpath |
| 00:19.54 | brlcad | but you'll get better results if you just set your MANPATH |
| 00:20.18 | brlcad | we're working on having more detailed "manpages" for all of the mged commands too, that's just a hell of a lot of work |
| 00:21.39 | tc-rucho | I know, maybe I will help with that in the future, but I first need to get the hang of brlcad, it's like drawing using assembly language |
| 00:21.48 | tc-rucho | no fancy mouse thing |
| 00:21.58 | brlcad | at least not until you're a lot more proficient |
| 00:22.17 | brlcad | there are lots of various shortcuts for most tasks, but it's way too much to get into for new users |
| 00:22.24 | brlcad | just gets confusing before you learn the basics |
| 00:22.30 | ``Erik | for a in `mged -c blah.g 'echo $MGED_CMDS'` ; do echo "Things and stuff" > $a.help ; done |
| 00:22.40 | ``Erik | :D *duck* |
| 00:23.10 | ``Erik | sorry, I'll behave :) |
| 00:23.36 | brlcad | tc-rucho: if you do get interested in helping out with the docs, there are about 100 external commands that don't have manpages yet (listed in the TODO file iirc), and pretty much most/all of the mged commands need to be expanded for manpage format |
| 00:25.00 | tc-rucho | yeah, but first I need to decide whether or not brlcad is a good solution for my needs. |
| 00:25.07 | brlcad | sure |
| 00:25.22 | brlcad | if it's not a good solution, always looking for good hands to help make it one ;) |
| 00:25.27 | brlcad | open dev team |
| 00:25.47 | tc-rucho | good (: |
| 00:27.40 | tc-rucho | would love brlcad if it had some lisp dialect [instead of tcl] (what's between brackets it's optional) |
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| 00:28.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33885 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/tcl.c: clamp all floating point values being printed to a string to a corresponding integer value if the number is within hardware computational tolerance. the user probably wanted and expects 42 instead of 41.9999999999997. |
| 00:31.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33886 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 00:31.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: clamp even more values to the closest corresponding integer if they're within |
| 00:31.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: hardware tolerance. this change was made in response to unexpected behavior |
| 00:31.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: reported by a new user (tc-rucho) learning to use various view manipulation |
| 00:31.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: commands. the effect of this change should be pretty pervasive to most mged |
| 00:31.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: commands that utilize the libbn routines for printing numbers to strings (ae |
| 00:31.14 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: being one example). |
| 00:32.56 | tc-rucho | brlcad: I think using fractions for internal calcs and then converting to float for UI output would avoid a lot of float weirdness |
| 00:33.29 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:33.48 | brlcad | it sure would |
| 00:33.55 | tc-rucho | (: |
| 00:34.28 | brlcad | it'd also be approximately three orders of magnitude slower for most operations :) |
| 00:34.49 | brlcad | not to mention require a pretty pervasive data type change throughout |
| 00:35.18 | tc-rucho | it's always like this T_T |
| 00:35.33 | tc-rucho | friggin floats |
| 00:35.36 | brlcad | (we're talking about affecting something on the order of a quarter-million lines of code) |
| 00:36.07 | tc-rucho | ugh |
| 00:36.17 | brlcad | it's much easier to just test the number and print it cleanly, and account for floating point fuzz in the calculations |
| 00:36.42 | brlcad | that last change should make what you just saw go away |
| 00:37.44 | brlcad | I've toyed with using something like gmp behind our fastf_t number type to get exact calculations -- that'd be an interesting gsoc project for someone to take on |
| 00:41.47 | tc-rucho | brlcad: is there a way to _lock_ tw to a certain value when using the mouse to rotate the view? |
| 00:42.49 | brlcad | ooof, I believe so, but I don't have the mouse keybindings memorized -- maybe check the shift-grips table on the docs? |
| 01:11.42 | tc-rucho | when trying to modify just 1 element from a parameter array, is there a way to tell mged to reuse existing value in that position? I mean something like 'view aet . . 0' which would reuse the current az and el, and set tw to 0 |
| 01:15.48 | tc-rucho | it's not really that cool to retype everything to change just 1 element |
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| 01:17.00 | Ralith | not_so_fastf_t |
| 01:20.11 | tc-rucho | oops, seems my last 2 lines were sent to /dev/null |
| 01:20.26 | tc-rucho | when trying to modify just 1 element from a parameter array, is there a way to tell mged to reuse existing value in that position? I mean something like 'view aet . . 0' which would reuse the current az and el, and set tw to 0 |
| 01:20.26 | tc-rucho | it's not really that cool to retype everything to change just 1 element |
| 01:22.59 | Ralith | brlcad: how would you drop in gmp in an elegant way? I can't see a method cleaner than replacing every single arithmetic operation with a preprocessor macro or similar. |
| 01:23.55 | tc-rucho | sed -i ? |
| 01:24.59 | Ralith | tc-rucho: even if it was that simple, which it's not, the end result would still be very ugly |
| 01:27.35 | tc-rucho | anyway, Ralith, is there a way to tell mged to reuse a current value instead typing it again over and over? |
| 01:27.53 | Ralith | no, but try the up arrow |
| 01:27.56 | Ralith | not afaik* |
| 01:30.24 | brlcad | tc-rucho: hm, can't say that need has actually ever come up to only change twist -- at least no requests for it |
| 01:30.48 | brlcad | you can just up-arrow and change a previous line if it's a need to repeatedly test new values |
| 01:31.03 | brlcad | there is command history |
| 01:31.24 | tc-rucho | brlcad: no, if there was no previous line regarding those values there's nothing to do but to retype the whole thing |
| 01:31.25 | brlcad | Ralith: via compilation with a c++ compiler |
| 01:31.36 | Ralith | brlcad: huh? |
| 01:31.51 | Ralith | does GCC have some special gmp support or something? |
| 01:32.11 | brlcad | tc-rucho: you said retype -- but I think you mean type ;) |
| 01:32.11 | Ralith | oh right |
| 01:32.12 | Ralith | C++. |
| 01:32.17 | Ralith | operator overloading. |
| 01:32.19 | brlcad | operator overlaoding |
| 01:32.20 | brlcad | right |
| 01:32.22 | tc-rucho | brlcad: right (: |
| 01:32.24 | Ralith | I thought all that code was in C, though |
| 01:32.32 | brlcad | it is |
| 01:32.42 | Ralith | moving it to C++ is acceptable? |
| 01:32.50 | Ralith | thought he recalled some reluctance to do that |
| 01:33.12 | brlcad | doesn't mean that it can't be compiled with a c++ compiler -- we don't hit the problem cases |
| 01:33.24 | Ralith | hm, good point |
| 01:33.34 | brlcad | oh hell, wouldn't move to that -- it would destroy performance for real-world use |
| 01:33.51 | brlcad | literally, it is two-to-three *orders* slower .. |
| 01:34.08 | Ralith | really? I didn't know C++ impaired performance that much. |
| 01:34.14 | brlcad | no |
| 01:34.16 | Ralith | assuming you're just doing C things in it |
| 01:34.17 | brlcad | you're missing something :) |
| 01:34.40 | Ralith | what'm I missing, then? |
| 01:34.41 | brlcad | talking about replacing fastf_t's with a fixed-precision numeric class type |
| 01:34.44 | Ralith | oh, yes |
| 01:34.50 | Ralith | of course |
| 01:35.01 | Ralith | I thought you were responding to my question about moving to C++. |
| 01:35.11 | brlcad | I was also responding to that |
| 01:35.16 | brlcad | we wouldn't "move" to C++ |
| 01:35.56 | brlcad | if we wanted to make a fixed-precision compile, we'd would make it work through the c++ compiler and use the fixed-precision math pervasively |
| 01:36.52 | brlcad | it would be a compile-time toggle that could be used for various purposes where the performance hit was acceptible, like regression testing, certain analyses, certain geometric transformations, etc |
| 01:36.53 | Ralith | and the way you'd keep that in the same codebase would be by ifdef-ing out the GMP bits, which would be the only part requiring C++ features? |
| 01:36.56 | tc-rucho | brlcad: in a normal bash session I would do => view aet `view aet | awk '{print $1 $2 "0"}'` However, if you think it makes sense to add something like => view aet @ @ 0 where '@' would reuse the current value for that field, then I will gladly contribute a patch adding it (: |
| 01:37.09 | brlcad | Ralith: right |
| 01:37.18 | Ralith | part of me thinks that's a hack |
| 01:37.25 | Ralith | and part of me thing that's a wonderfully effective solution |
| 01:37.50 | Ralith | hm. |
| 01:37.54 | brlcad | it's not a hack if it works, rather elegant imho |
| 01:38.05 | brlcad | still a lot of work, though |
| 01:38.16 | Ralith | yeah, I guess I just have an innate aversion to the preprocessor. |
| 01:38.31 | Ralith | comes from too much playing with higher level languages |
| 01:38.36 | brlcad | have to make fastf_t's fully pervasive, have to have a whole buffet of operator functions |
| 01:38.45 | brlcad | tc-rucho: hmmm |
| 01:39.46 | tc-rucho | because I don't think aet will be the only command that will benefice from a value-reuser |
| 01:40.42 | brlcad | command-parsing like that is still command-specific, though, as args are vastly different from command to command |
| 01:41.01 | brlcad | so either start a new convention.. or add new subcommands |
| 01:41.06 | Ralith | considers finding himself a GSoC project to sign on to |
| 01:41.07 | brlcad | view tw 12 |
| 01:41.22 | brlcad | view az 10 |
| 01:42.09 | tc-rucho | yeah |
| 01:42.13 | brlcad | tc-rucho: how about the latter, a lot more isolated to just add new view subcommands |
| 01:42.37 | tc-rucho | brlcad: would they be included in brlcad if I make them? |
| 01:42.45 | brlcad | and goes well with the aim to make the commands more stateless |
| 01:42.50 | brlcad | tc-rucho: absolutely |
| 01:42.55 | tc-rucho | good (: |
| 01:43.13 | brlcad | good to have all three, az|el|tw |
| 01:43.52 | tc-rucho | I think it would be nice to be able to do something like => view tw 0 el 30 |
| 01:44.07 | tc-rucho | being 'view' the main command and the rest options with values |
| 01:44.14 | brlcad | sure, gang up sets of commands on view |
| 01:44.28 | brlcad | view ypr 10 200 0 tw 10 |
| 01:44.45 | brlcad | similar to what you ran into for help ;) |
| 01:45.40 | brlcad | src/libged/view.c is where the view command lives |
| 01:45.42 | tc-rucho | yeah, I strongly believe changing the commands model a bit would improve mged's usability a _LOT_ |
| 01:45.46 | brlcad | it calls out to various other commands |
| 01:45.58 | brlcad | we're working on that |
| 01:46.42 | tc-rucho | I'm your man then (: but I will be able to get my hands on the commands code in april |
| 01:46.42 | brlcad | first step was getting all the commands out of the application front-end and in one place in a library (libged) |
| 01:47.01 | brlcad | next step is/was making all the commands modeless (ugh, lots to do) |
| 01:47.10 | brlcad | there's still a lot more that has to happen |
| 01:48.22 | tc-rucho | sure |
| 01:48.24 | brlcad | next step after that is command reduction and consolidation |
| 01:49.06 | tc-rucho | I'd love some tw lock for mouse orbit |
| 01:49.10 | brlcad | e.g. instead of a dozen bot_* commands, there's one bot command with various subcommands |
| 01:49.34 | brlcad | hey, if you make the mod, there's no reason to not put features like that in |
| 01:49.58 | tc-rucho | I like that |
| 01:49.59 | tc-rucho | (: |
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| 01:50.36 | brlcad | make more than a couple useful patches and you'd end up working directly on the code |
| 01:51.11 | brlcad | Ralith: are you applying? |
| 01:51.42 | Ralith | brlcad: well, student applications aren't for a month or so, right? |
| 01:51.48 | Ralith | I certainly like the idea. |
| 01:52.07 | brlcad | yeah |
| 01:52.15 | brlcad | the problem here will be slots |
| 01:52.42 | brlcad | if we participate, I'm planning to probably have even fewer students than last year |
| 01:53.23 | brlcad | just 2 or 3, so it'll be even more competitive |
| 01:53.42 | tc-rucho | brlcad: what do you mean? svn access? |
| 01:53.46 | brlcad | tc-rucho: sure |
| 01:53.48 | Ralith | aw. Perhaps I'll find myself a less high profile mentoring organization. |
| 01:53.54 | Ralith | tc-rucho: happened to me. |
| 01:54.00 | tc-rucho | brlcad: oh, nice (: |
| 01:54.25 | brlcad | Ralith: i'm not saying you don't have a chance, you have a leg up just by already being part of the community with a history :) |
| 01:54.41 | brlcad | some of last year's students have leverage too in that regard |
| 01:54.59 | Ralith | brlcad: fair. Are you allowed to apply to multiple organizations and take your pick of the acceptors? |
| 01:55.18 | brlcad | doesn't work that way exactly, but yes you can apply to multiple orgs |
| 01:55.31 | Ralith | will read up on it |
| 01:55.38 | brlcad | if you are accepted by multiple orgs, though, the orgs sort it out (and maybe or maybe not involve you) |
| 01:55.43 | Ralith | O.o |
| 01:55.50 | Ralith | that's... weird |
| 01:55.56 | brlcad | all happens behind the scenes |
| 01:56.09 | brlcad | there's a big conflict resolution meeting |
| 01:56.18 | brlcad | if it's not resolved beforehand |
| 01:57.03 | Ralith | is there a list of SoCables anywhere? Perhaps some subset of that wanted features page of yours? |
| 01:57.12 | Ralith | (within BRL-CAD, that is) |
| 01:57.39 | brlcad | it works out well because many acceptances are contingent on a lot of factors .. like if the project you proposed to one org is considerably more valuable than it was to another org, or maybe you're right on the cutoff and they haven't decided on whether to accept you as N+1 |
| 01:58.04 | brlcad | Ralith: yeah, you can see the materials for last year up on the website |
| 01:58.04 | Ralith | hm, I guess that is pretty reasonable. |
| 01:58.13 | brlcad | has a list of a dozen or so projects |
| 01:58.19 | Ralith | nothing new since then? |
| 01:58.33 | brlcad | I'll probably cull that down to about a half-dozen this year to focus applications |
| 01:58.43 | brlcad | plenty new |
| 01:58.47 | brlcad | but nothing that needs to be added |
| 01:59.02 | Ralith | 'kay then |
| 01:59.20 | brlcad | and students are always welcome to submit ideas not on the list |
| 01:59.29 | brlcad | some of the best ideas for bz haven't been on our list |
| 02:00.34 | Ralith | bzflag is on SoC? I didn't know they did games. |
| 02:00.45 | brlcad | we were their first game two years ago |
| 02:00.49 | Ralith | neat! |
| 02:00.52 | brlcad | this will be year three if we accept |
| 02:00.56 | ``Erik | wow, europeans take their winter sports seriously http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1901384 |
| 02:02.13 | brlcad | ``Erik: do you just wander through video, joke, and comic forums for hours on end?? |
| 02:02.27 | brlcad | sounds like a bigger brain-rotting waste of time than watching tv all day |
| 02:02.31 | brlcad | :) |
| 02:02.40 | tc-rucho | agrees |
| 02:03.31 | Ralith | I dunno, at least it's interactive |
| 02:04.06 | ``Erik | yes, yes I do |
| 02:04.12 | ``Erik | at least until I'm caught up |
| 02:04.23 | brlcad | shakes head |
| 02:04.31 | ``Erik | eventually, I'll make it to the end of the internet, get the highscore and finally beat it |
| 02:05.49 | brlcad | tc-rucho: if you go diving in, keep in mind that libged is the start of a pretty big refactoring effort -- and is subject to change |
| 02:06.19 | brlcad | not so much the commands themselves and how they behave but the ged struct and how data makes it in and out |
| 02:06.41 | brlcad | and there's still a lot more to go to decouple tcl |
| 02:06.44 | tc-rucho | brlcad: I was already considering in getting latest svn sources of BRLCAD to start diving into it's code |
| 02:07.29 | brlcad | also, you mentioned other languages -- for what it's worth if you've not seen it, mged can be pretty readily scripted and batched from any language |
| 02:07.42 | brlcad | e.g., http://brlcad.org/wiki/SGI_Cube |
| 02:07.42 | tc-rucho | brlcad: by the way, you just mentioned decoupling tcl, what are you implying? getting rid of it and adopting something else or what? |
| 02:08.09 | tc-rucho | yeah, noted that from the very beginning |
| 02:08.39 | tc-rucho | it's just that having a nice language within mged itself would be nice for batch stuff |
| 02:09.05 | Ralith | tc-rucho: making the system scripting language independent |
| 02:09.14 | brlcad | we're not getting "rid" of tcl for various reasons, but certainly want to allow other interpreter environments |
| 02:09.18 | Ralith | i.e. make it straightforward to slot in w/e |
| 02:09.35 | brlcad | exactly |
| 02:09.59 | tc-rucho | well, in that case it would be nice to have some lisp dialect as an interpreter too |
| 02:10.05 | brlcad | part of the libged framework is to make it a generalized command functionality library that could be tied into any interpreter environment |
| 02:11.07 | tc-rucho | I like that, so a couple of bindings here and there and one could almost use BF as a command interpreter (just kidding) |
| 02:11.11 | brlcad | initial goal will be to support tcl and bash, and then python and lisp, at least as a starting point |
| 02:11.33 | brlcad | that should generalize the interface sufficiently to support most languages we'd care to bind to |
| 02:11.43 | tc-rucho | sure |
| 02:12.16 | brlcad | plus it covers procedural, functional, and OO as well as interactive and non-interactive parsing |
| 02:12.54 | brlcad | (in terms of a flexible api) |
| 02:13.04 | tc-rucho | you have any dialect in mind for the lisp environment? |
| 02:13.16 | brlcad | not presently |
| 02:13.29 | brlcad | clisp, elisp |
| 02:14.07 | tc-rucho | In terms of implementation quality, I'd stick to SBCL (common lisp) on unixoid systems, and maybe clisp for winblows |
| 02:15.17 | tc-rucho | anyway, seems this could get pretty interesting. I'd say I'm in (: |
| 02:15.24 | brlcad | one of the main points of picking up a lisp environment would be to provide something similar to autolisp |
| 02:15.40 | brlcad | awesome, glad to hear it! |
| 02:15.58 | brlcad | hope you stick to it even after you see how much work is involved ;) |
| 02:16.26 | brlcad | good stuff, though, lots of fun and one of the best code bases to make a big impact |
| 02:17.15 | tc-rucho | as soon as I can get a lisp environment things will get really nice 9In 9My 9Opinion |
| 02:17.55 | tc-rucho | however, I'm definitely not enforcing OO in the lisp environment, it's... ugly |
| 02:21.34 | brlcad | no no, I meant supporting OO semantics for languages like python/ruby/etc |
| 02:21.48 | brlcad | wouldn't sully lisp with that |
| 02:22.07 | brlcad | might not even sully the other langs with that, depends on how the bindings happen |
| 02:23.16 | brlcad | ultimately could just wrap everything in a ged object and do a pass through with a method for every function if it's a strict OO language |
| 02:25.47 | tc-rucho | anyway, I have some proposals for the lisp environment, but bindings come first |
| 02:26.12 | tc-rucho | more specifically, a slight GUI change |
| 02:27.16 | tc-rucho | that would allow keybindings and access to the command prompt in the same window without any extra hassle |
| 02:27.51 | tc-rucho | anyway, I should continue with my studies, I have a huge exam in a pair of days |
| 02:30.09 | brlcad | heh, actually we're looking at a rather major GUI change, but that's a ways down the road |
| 02:30.57 | brlcad | have to do a variety of mged refactorings first, libged cleanup, tcl decoupling, finish implementing BREP support, geometry engine support, geometry service support, then the gui has something solid to talk to |
| 02:31.14 | brlcad | there is a prototype interface hooked in already that a gsoc student worked on last summer |
| 02:31.37 | brlcad | good luck with your exam tc-rucho ! |
| 02:33.40 | tc-rucho | nods |
| 02:34.14 | tc-rucho | brlcad: what text editor do you use? |
| 02:34.33 | brlcad | depends what I'm doing, but usually emacs |
| 02:36.03 | tc-rucho | well, some _wild_ idea for a GUI would be to have most used commands as single letter commands, and then have some stuff like C-x and C-c |
| 02:36.26 | tc-rucho | but maybe people would not feel that comfortable with it |
| 02:36.43 | tc-rucho | anyway, was just a quick wild thought |
| 02:37.18 | brlcad | there's a whole design philosophy about making the interface pervasively modeless, only allowing quasimodalities for context-specific actions |
| 02:37.46 | brlcad | there's a prototype interaction video that one of the devs worked on that I'm using as a sort of "starting point" goal |
| 02:38.00 | tc-rucho | link? |
| 02:38.33 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/design/gui/ |
| 02:38.44 | brlcad | ioe_proto_final.mov is a good starting point |
| 02:39.23 | brlcad | takes about 5 minutes |
| 02:39.52 | brlcad | it was intionally made non-CAD-centric, but the basic design philosophies still apply |
| 02:42.12 | brlcad | ~ioe |
| 02:42.19 | tc-rucho | I think about brlcad as a rough diamond. It has an awesome 3d framework and all, but it lacks a good GUI 9In 9My 9Humble 9Opinion |
| 02:46.05 | brlcad | agreed |
| 02:46.30 | brlcad | that's why it's one of our four top project priorities |
| 02:46.40 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 02:46.59 | brlcad | with the other three priorities directly and indirectly supporting it |
| 02:49.05 | brlcad | starseeker: I think I must recall my victory claim.. I'm getting the Tcl_Init error again, so there must be more needed (and my test earlier must not have been a clean test) |
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| 04:00.10 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 05:04.44 | starseeker | brlcad: arrrgh. Is it something to do with the tcl upgrade? |
| 05:05.33 | starseeker | tried to step through all the changes, but may have missed something... |
| 05:27.34 | brlcad | starseeker: that's when it started, and it's a problem I recall needing to be patched the past couple times we've done a tcl upgrade |
| 05:30.35 | brlcad | can't say for certain without dishing through a whole debugging session, and trying to avoid spending the time to do that frankly |
| 05:30.52 | starseeker | brlcad: arrrgh |
| 05:30.56 | starseeker | ``Erik: help |
| 05:31.06 | starseeker | you recall what was needed in the last couple tcl upgrades? |
| 05:33.14 | brlcad | i'll go through a clean rebuild here to see if maybe the failure earlier today was a false positive |
| 05:33.30 | starseeker | ]it's distcheck that's failing? |
| 05:33.42 | brlcad | test fails |
| 05:34.22 | brlcad | specific to doing a make test prior to (ever) doing a make install -- it'll look in /usr/brlcad so have to make sure there isn't an install there already |
| 05:34.28 | starseeker | Is it MacOSX only? It seems to work here |
| 05:34.32 | starseeker | oh |
| 05:34.36 | starseeker | did a make install |
| 05:34.59 | brlcad | one of the sanity checks to make sure in-tree execution works cleanly pulling the right files |
| 05:35.30 | starseeker | Oh, I see it now |
| 05:35.49 | brlcad | it's not a release stopper |
| 05:36.02 | brlcad | but it shouldn't linger (assuming it is new/returned) |
| 05:36.58 | brlcad | could try a 7.14.0 to see if it has the problem |
| 05:37.06 | starseeker | ok |
| 05:37.23 | brlcad | maybe it was broken during the prior upgrade and just coincidentally noticed |
| 05:38.08 | starseeker | is bothered he didn't get it patched with that last effort |
| 05:38.53 | brlcad | you fixed a whole slew of other issues that would have come up, though |
| 05:38.59 | brlcad | so good you did anyways |
| 05:39.13 | starseeker | thanks, but it makes this one all the more vexing |
| 05:39.27 | brlcad | 1/10th the time to find/fix now than to have someone else spend all day rehunting each one ;) |
| 05:39.35 | starseeker | :-) |
| 05:39.51 | starseeker | makes a note to join the tcl dev email lists and start making some noise |
| 05:40.00 | starseeker | grumble |
| 05:40.15 | starseeker | not that I had a lot of luck with gentoo |
| 05:40.43 | brlcad | gentoo is so close, should be able to finish it up now |
| 05:41.16 | starseeker | assuming they don't just leave it to the gentoo-science overlay |
| 05:41.26 | brlcad | nods |
| 05:41.51 | brlcad | haven't seen a build log in a while to know if there's anything else that needs changed |
| 05:42.05 | brlcad | I took care of most of the issues I knew about |
| 05:42.11 | starseeker | I haven't tried to do a system build in a long while - it might work now |
| 05:42.43 | brlcad | it should work as a --disable-all now without a problem |
| 05:42.50 | starseeker | cool :-) |
| 05:43.05 | starseeker | will test that once the make test bug is hunted down |
| 05:43.15 | brlcad | incrTcl init was the last straggler, and that should be taken care of |
| 05:43.23 | starseeker | awesome |
| 05:43.31 | brlcad | there are still the naming conflicts, but that's for later to allow subdir relinking |
| 05:43.55 | starseeker | brlcad: Oh, that reminds me - bob said you wrote the libtclcad auto_path command |
| 05:44.10 | starseeker | did that change I made cause any trouble? |
| 05:44.16 | brlcad | the function, yeah |
| 05:44.45 | brlcad | what change? |
| 05:44.57 | starseeker | let me check |
| 05:45.21 | starseeker | r33845 |
| 05:46.00 | brlcad | oh yeah, that one.. |
| 05:48.09 | brlcad | "probably" only because tclcadAutoPath() is mostly supposed to allow relocation overrides and source-dir executions to work, not serve as install defaults |
| 05:48.29 | brlcad | if it works, it'll be because of how it searches for relocation execution |
| 05:49.12 | brlcad | can't say for sure, though .. |
| 05:50.16 | starseeker | ok. If it breaks anything I'll revert it - it sidestepped what I was running into, but it's still not clear to my why auto_path had the system paths in the first place |
| 05:50.32 | starseeker | maybe it's related to why make test isn't working, for that matter... |
| 05:50.44 | brlcad | I think the latter is a different problem, and the one that needed fixing -- why it got system paths in the first place |
| 05:51.15 | brlcad | think that implies that it didn't load the right init.tcl to start with or didn't link the right lib to start with |
| 05:51.24 | brlcad | which are different problems |
| 05:51.51 | starseeker | Is that our build system or the tcl/tk level logic? |
| 05:52.47 | brlcad | wouldn't be the build system -- could be run-time ld paths or tcl init logic |
| 05:53.53 | brlcad | you can check the ld linkage easily enough (otool -L or ldd) |
| 05:54.23 | brlcad | can check the init logic by breaking in Tcl_Init() and seeing which init.tcl is loaded |
| 05:57.06 | starseeker | ldd looks OK |
| 06:04.37 | brlcad | notes that Bob cheated horribly in src/mged/setup.c |
| 06:11.30 | starseeker | brlcad: did we need to explicitly set tcl_library? |
| 06:11.35 | starseeker | was that the patch? |
| 06:19.03 | starseeker | ummm.... 7.14.0 on my machine is trying to use /usr/include/tk.h when compiling bombardier.c |
| 06:28.17 | brlcad | different issue |
| 06:28.37 | brlcad | src/util/Makefile.am, add TK_CPPFLAGS to bombardier |
| 06:37.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33887 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: default the ogl interface to off until the various bugs are all fixed. it's unusable as-is due to said bugs and is just complicating the support questions. |
| 06:37.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33890 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 06:37.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Bob added a new 'gqa' command to mged that runs the formerly command-line-only |
| 06:37.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 'g_qa' command including the addition of a new -Ap option that will visualize |
| 06:37.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: the overlaps encountered as a series of wireframe edges similar to rtcheck. |
| 06:37.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: should rename one of the two to make running the tool self-consistent inside and |
| 06:37.14 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: outside of mged. |
| 06:37.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33888 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS TODO): bob fixed the mged view initialization bugs where it was starting up under a top view instead of 3525 with no faceplate initialization. should be mostly all better now. |
| 07:05.18 | brlcad | notes warnings on nmg_fix_normals |
| 07:13.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33891 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (178 files): |
| 07:13.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: whew, that is brutal.. tedius header cleanup to denote private headers as |
| 07:13.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: private (and in the own section) using relative path syntax. also make sure |
| 07:13.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: bio.h comes after the system headers but is listed with system headers (it's |
| 07:13.06 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: sort of a wrapper around stdio). |
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| 11:08.20 | d-lo | yawns |
| 11:08.23 | d-lo | Mornin |
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| 13:13.44 | starseeker | brlcad: I'll be out one more day, I'm afraid :-( |
| 13:15.51 | starseeker | d-lo: I can't find the email addresses - could you do me a favor and send out an email again? |
| 13:17.49 | d-lo | starseeker: shore thang. |
| 13:17.55 | starseeker | thanks :-) |
| 13:27.23 | d-lo | np |
| 13:55.52 | brlcad | starseeker: okay, np |
| 14:07.21 | ``Erik | starseeker: the only caveat with tcl and tk was that one line in tcl/generic/tclInt.h iirc, tk "just worked". incr is a bit of a different story |
| 14:08.32 | ``Erik | was under the impression that elisp had grevious differences to cl (stuff like scope handling, basic function names, etc), but kinda remembers reading that autolisp was weird, too *shrug* |
| 14:09.06 | ``Erik | supposedly, CLOS can do all t he oo type things that ruby and python can, plus a slew of other neat stuff like generic funcs |
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| 14:20.11 | tc-rucho | ``Erik: CLOS is an awesome OO system, it does not use messages, it uses generic functions. However, I find OO rather ugly in Lisp. It's like jailing/restricting oneself rather than liberating |
| 14:20.36 | tc-rucho | OO in lisp usually leads to code that's really difficult to track |
| 14:21.07 | ``Erik | hm, I'm more of a scheme weenie, I've only used clos just enough to get a basic ucw thingy working :) |
| 14:22.47 | tc-rucho | well, I use common lisp as my main lisp dialect, and I really never needed CLOS, it made things more difficult actually, and heavily OO code made using CLOS was hell to figure out. |
| 14:23.13 | tc-rucho | not even the original authors were able to keep track of it in order to fix some stuff, blame CLOS |
| 14:23.36 | tc-rucho | so I would be happier if we stick to just lists for the bindings and all |
| 14:23.38 | tc-rucho | . |
| 14:25.16 | ``Erik | *shrug* I still plan on learning it, I've heard arguments both ways so mebbe I'll find it a handy tool for certain problems, mebbe not |
| 14:26.02 | tc-rucho | points to the second alternative |
| 14:26.09 | tc-rucho | anyway |
| 14:26.28 | ``Erik | but yeah, with scheme I felt like the combination of lists, vectors, and assocs is probably 'sufficient' |
| 14:27.37 | tc-rucho | have it your way, give it a try, try to code something complex, then archive it and look at it again in about 2 months, and if by any chance you can follow the CLOS code easier than if it used just lists, I would like some good argument about why use it |
| 14:27.46 | tc-rucho | right |
| 14:28.01 | ``Erik | we'll see *shrug* :) |
| 14:28.04 | tc-rucho | lists and assocs are all one needs |
| 14:28.06 | tc-rucho | (: |
| 14:28.07 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm seeing failures in the test script that appear to be caused by the messing "Using Tcl library at..." being printed |
| 14:28.19 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, I know about those |
| 14:28.24 | brlcad | it's benign |
| 14:28.38 | starseeker | but otherwise, the MGED tests seem to run |
| 14:28.43 | brlcad | it's because the script just takes the output of ? and help as-is |
| 14:29.11 | brlcad | and there are a variety of debug and output messages that can appear before the command list |
| 14:29.32 | starseeker | OK - so the failure you're worried about is something different then |
| 14:29.45 | brlcad | if there was consistent stderr/stdout separation, could handle it, but there's not so it is what it is |
| 14:29.45 | tc-rucho | ``Erik: by the way, what scheme implementation do you prefer? I really haven't toyed with scheme (mainly because fucken scsh needs some scheme implementation for 32bit only) |
| 14:30.27 | ``Erik | gauche usually, used to use guile but it's performance was ... poor. have toyed with chicken and bigloo a little, and mzscheme isn't too bad |
| 14:30.39 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, the error is something different -- Tcl_Init failure |
| 14:30.55 | starseeker | so far I can't reproduce that here |
| 14:31.08 | brlcad | on old or new or both? |
| 14:31.15 | starseeker | anywhere |
| 14:31.16 | tc-rucho | ``Erik: I find mzscheme (drscheme?) kind of bloated. Wasn't gauche a scheme -> C implementation? |
| 14:31.20 | starseeker | er, either |
| 14:31.25 | brlcad | thought you encountered it yesterday? |
| 14:31.31 | brlcad | when you removed the installed version |
| 14:31.42 | ``Erik | no, gauche is an interpreter, um, shiro.dreamhost.com or something |
| 14:31.46 | starseeker | no, that was the complaint I just mentioned |
| 14:32.01 | ``Erik | the interpreter is "gosh" |
| 14:32.33 | starseeker | ``Erik: then the compiler had better be "darnit" ;-) |
| 14:33.13 | ``Erik | no, there's no straight compiler component, I don't know if it can save bytecode images, either :/ I used it for q&d scripty type thangs mostly |
| 14:33.41 | tc-rucho | hohoho, awesome name for a lisp-family interpreter |
| 14:34.56 | brlcad | starseeker: i'm giving it a clean retry now |
| 14:35.17 | brlcad | see what you get with this on a clean tree, it'll .. take a while |
| 14:35.38 | brlcad | rm -rf /usr/brlcad && sh autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-all && make distclean && sh autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-all && make -j4 && make test |
| 14:35.45 | brlcad | notice the rm -rf in case you need it.. |
| 14:36.31 | brlcad | if that works for you, then we can call it a closed issue |
| 14:36.52 | ``Erik | hm, rm -rf /usr/brlcad/* would be better, so the /usr/brlcad directory stays and doens't need rootage to recreate it :D |
| 14:37.52 | brlcad | meh |
| 14:39.54 | starseeker | ``Erik: on my home box, no matter |
| 14:39.56 | tc-rucho | ``Erik: although it's not a really big problem, I've always felt more comfortable with false being just nil and true being T, instead of #t and #f. Also SBCL is a kick-ass implementation that compiles to native code (not to mention that CL uses different spaces for functions and data so a var and a function can share the same name) |
| 14:41.55 | starseeker | tc-rucho: Oh, he's an SBCL fan :-) |
| 14:42.09 | starseeker | so am I |
| 14:42.20 | tc-rucho | starseeker: good (: |
| 14:42.21 | ``Erik | is using sbcl on fbsd for ucw :) |
| 14:43.02 | tc-rucho | then it's going to be Common Lisp (SBCL), right? |
| 14:43.14 | tc-rucho | I thought that had not been decided yet |
| 14:43.30 | ``Erik | for BRL-CAD, it's not |
| 14:43.35 | ``Erik | not decided, that is |
| 14:43.44 | ``Erik | this is for a private project |
| 14:43.57 | starseeker | ucw = UnCommon Web |
| 14:44.22 | starseeker | ucw is... odd |
| 14:44.33 | starseeker | at least as far as getting it working |
| 14:44.59 | d-lo | no no no no....ucw = http://www.ultimatechristianwrestling.com/ |
| 14:45.04 | ``Erik | YOU'RE odd! :D naw, the continuation based web framework model seems neato to me |
| 14:45.34 | ``Erik | you may've spent a little TOO long in the navy, d-lo. |
| 14:45.46 | starseeker | d-lo: that's gotta be in the top five "URLs I never thought I'd see" list |
| 14:47.47 | d-lo | lol, blame google. #2 on the list. |
| 14:47.58 | starseeker | brlcad: no point in my doing -j4 on a 2 core machine, yes? |
| 14:48.18 | brlcad | whomever works on making the lisp interface actually work will probably be the main deciding factor on which lisp is used ;) |
| 14:48.26 | ``Erik | best bang is probably -j3, I'd guess |
| 14:48.36 | brlcad | so if you want sbcl, someone needs to get busy ;) |
| 14:49.02 | starseeker | alrightie, the clean test is running |
| 14:49.04 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, j3 is probably best, but doesn't matter much |
| 14:49.23 | brlcad | distclean or clean? |
| 14:49.40 | starseeker | the sequence you gave above |
| 14:50.01 | starseeker | autogen, distclean, etc. |
| 14:50.31 | starseeker | could still be a mac specific issue though |
| 14:50.50 | starseeker | ``Erik: Did you see any major patches to tcl that I missed in that big roundup? |
| 14:51.32 | ``Erik | I didn't see your big roundup... :D the only trick was the line in tclInt.h or something |
| 14:51.46 | ``Erik | last I did it, anyways... they may've made things more interesting |
| 14:52.26 | starseeker | erm |
| 14:52.44 | starseeker | Bob had some Windows specific tweaks in there, and there was some SGI/IRIX makefile logic |
| 14:52.57 | starseeker | or tweaks at least |
| 14:53.20 | starseeker | plus the fix for doc install paths from the gentoo bug |
| 14:53.44 | starseeker | oh well, no matter |
| 14:54.05 | starseeker | it could very well be that 8.5.6 itself introduced a new quirk all on its own |
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| 15:37.16 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, I see it now |
| 15:45.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33892 10/brlcad/trunk/ (69 files in 3 dirs): Upgraded libpng to 1.2.35. |
| 15:45.32 | starseeker | It looks like we need to set tcl_library somewhere |
| 15:45.52 | starseeker | or set the TCL_LIBRARY environment variable |
| 15:49.30 | starseeker | based on svn diff, offhand I don't see any change pertaining to tcl_library that could have an impact |
| 16:03.00 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 16:08.23 | starseeker | grr: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m3037d4dd |
| 16:11.48 | starseeker | export TCL_LIBRARY=../src/other/tcl/library prior to make test does succeed |
| 16:19.14 | starseeker | the difficulty is where should it be set, and how to conditionalize its setting on BUILD_TCL being true |
| 16:27.10 | ``Erik | sweet, I done broke the libpng stuff :D |
| 16:27.29 | d-lo | awesome! The dishes are done man! |
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| 17:01.37 | brlcad | starseeker: additionally, tclcadAutoPath() tries to set tcl_library too, could be some interplay going on |
| 17:01.54 | brlcad | good to see that the problem can be reproduced, though |
| 17:02.09 | brlcad | starseeker: did you test that with 7.14.0 too? |
| 17:02.41 | brlcad | if it fails for 7.14.0, then it's not nearly as important to address now .. just don't want to take steps backwards if it's new |
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| 17:56.14 | brlcad | ``Erik: build failures in libpng's Makefile.am |
| 17:56.40 | ``Erik | hm, cia is being slow |
| 17:56.44 | ``Erik | I fixed it a few minutes ago |
| 17:56.54 | brlcad | cool, k |
| 17:58.30 | ``Erik | jabs cia a few times |
| 17:58.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33893 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/libpng/ (Makefile.am autogen.sh config.h.in configure.ac): revert back to our Makefile.am and remove the leftover autoconf crud. |
| 17:58.38 | ``Erik | there it goes heh |
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| 18:42.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33894 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/gqa.c: ', ' doesn't make a lot of sense, hope it's supposed to be ',' |
| 18:44.34 | brlcad | ``Erik possible to get an isst screenshot today? |
| 18:44.52 | brlcad | could use something glitzy to show off |
| 18:45.10 | ``Erik | show off for what? |
| 18:45.34 | brlcad | presentation putting together |
| 18:46.26 | ``Erik | sure, gimme a few to back out a change |
| 18:46.39 | ``Erik | the, uh, |
| 18:48.22 | ``Erik | heh, I blew up my BRL-CAD |
| 18:49.39 | brlcad | starseeker: similarly, do you have access to a copy of what you brought to the ccb that you could send my way? |
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| 20:21.08 | brlcad | starseeker: never mind, I pulled images from elsewhere |
| 20:22.22 | ``Erik | is half interested in how his images will be used if'n there's time to show the slides off |
| 20:23.01 | brlcad | used two of them |
| 20:23.53 | ``Erik | assumes the t62 and the depth render went away? |
| 20:25.05 | brlcad | good guess |
| 20:25.59 | ``Erik | but but but the old tank had the dropdown menu showing the modes, and the depth render looks, y'know, all futuristic! :D |
| 20:28.40 | brlcad | only have a 15 min total, there are already two min slotted to adrt .. if I put more, it'll lose effect |
| 20:28.47 | ``Erik | ok |
| 20:28.50 | brlcad | two is pushing it, really needs to be one, but I think I can talk to it |
| 20:28.54 | brlcad | as two |
| 20:29.10 | ``Erik | lemme know if you need info |
| 20:31.35 | brlcad | k |
| 20:31.45 | brlcad | going with data from last quarter |
| 20:33.17 | ``Erik | hm, almost everything has been internal, though my current activity is to make it can run in 'local' mode (just run a binary and go, single process with 2 threads) |
| 21:34.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33896 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ged.h: Added a declaration for ged_build_tops. |
| 21:35.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33895 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtienet/load_MySQL.c: temporarily disable the converter ... |
| 21:37.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33897 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/libged/libged.vcproj: Added nmg_fix_normals.c to libged's windows build. |
| 21:37.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33898 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tclInt.h: Move include for common.h after Tcl includes. This gets rid of warnings about redefining O_BINARY and O_TEMPORARY. |
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| 22:04.42 | brlcad | hm, distcheck is still busted |
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| 22:33.38 | brlcad | good catch on the ',' |
| 22:33.54 | brlcad | automated cleanup went afoul |
| 22:34.03 | ``Erik | make -s makes it really easy |
| 22:34.46 | ``Erik | there're others I skipped, they looked less odd (like const char *argv[] ... char *blah = argv[1]; ) |
| 22:35.09 | ``Erik | my distcheck breaks on not knowing how to aclocal heh |
| 22:39.14 | brlcad | I looked and was mistaken on the export5 for bot's using nmg_fix_normals |
| 22:39.57 | ``Erik | yeh, *shrug* I implemented what was discussed, I saw no easy way to do a fix_normals on an arbitrary bot, I think ed was right |
| 22:40.21 | ``Erik | I don't think bot strongly enforces being a closed solid, it's just all our conversions to bot happen to come from solids |
| 22:40.32 | ``Erik | via nmg topology testing |
| 22:41.00 | ``Erik | at least from something like facetize :) |
| 22:41.14 | brlcad | it's not strongly enforced but it is enforced |
| 22:41.27 | ``Erik | at the bot level, or the nmg level? |
| 22:41.29 | brlcad | the bot mode |
| 22:41.33 | brlcad | as a bot |
| 22:41.37 | ``Erik | ah, hum |
| 22:41.39 | brlcad | RT_BOT_SURFACE |
| 22:41.47 | brlcad | RT_BOT_SOLID |
| 22:41.51 | brlcad | RT_BOT_PLATE, etc |
| 22:41.55 | ``Erik | aight |
| 22:42.14 | ``Erik | I knew we had plate, I was fairly certain we could have abitrary bots as well (surface, I guess) |
| 22:42.15 | brlcad | if it's a solid, it should convert directly to an nmg |
| 22:42.42 | brlcad | there is an nmg-bot converter, could turn that into a routine and make a bot-nmg routine |
| 22:42.53 | brlcad | then turn bot into nmg, fix normals, then back to bot |
| 22:43.07 | brlcad | or make a bot_fix_normals that just does the same algorithm on the bot structure |
| 22:43.13 | ``Erik | guess that depends on the pro-e and iges converter shtuff, d-lo seemed to have opinions as he just recently went through the pain and suffering with that little pickup |
| 22:43.14 | brlcad | fairly simple algo |
| 22:43.39 | ``Erik | has to hammer out the adrt/isst stuff yesterday :/ |
| 22:44.43 | brlcad | true dat |
| 22:58.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33899 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged.sh: |
| 22:58.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: quell the false-positive ERROR lines about "Using Tcl library at |
| 22:58.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: /path/to/something" since it's just diagnostic output. that message is only |
| 22:58.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: printed in debug builds and is one of a variety of diagnostic messages that |
| 22:58.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: could get displayed. still, quell the one we know will be shown. |
| 23:00.31 | brlcad | starseeker: I think I found the problem |
| 23:00.39 | brlcad | and I think it's new |
| 23:01.03 | brlcad | mged isn't failing with that message, g_diff is |
| 23:01.45 | starseeker | is impressed |
| 23:01.50 | starseeker | and groggy |
| 23:01.55 | starseeker | you got the pics you need? |
| 23:04.37 | brlcad | yep |
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| 23:10.37 | brlcad | IriX64: you're voiceless until you do something constructive, sorry |
| 23:10.54 | brlcad | send me a PM if you'd like to discuss it |
| 23:11.13 | brlcad | otherwise, welcome to lurk and listen |
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| 23:50.28 | ``Erik | guess he didn't like that |
| 23:55.12 | brlcad | he was talking to me in private |
| 23:55.16 | brlcad | he's okay with it |
| 23:56.05 | ``Erik | but is he going to wrap up, say, the version thing on mged? i'ts what, 4 lines of code, he was almost done, still no patch? :) |
| 23:56.31 | ``Erik | or at least start writing up docs, we have an awful lot that need to be written at least in draft form |
| 23:59.42 | brlcad | probably not, he'd need a lot more hand-holding and someone telling him exactly what to do next |
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| 00:03.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33900 10/brlcad/trunk/ (TODO doc/deprecation.txt): need to refactor tcl initialization out of mged/bwish and into libtclcad so that both can use the same logic, which g_diff needs too. deprecate all of the g_ command names to remove their underscores. |
| 00:46.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33901 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/libpng/ (Makefile.am autogen.sh config.h.in configure.ac): revert r33893 deletion of autogen.sh, config.h.in, and configure.ac to keep the sources closer to pristine (and more importantly to unbreak distcheck). probably could make libpng a proper subconfigure. |
| 00:48.10 | ``Erik | oh, woops :) it wasn't a subconfig, so I figured I'd purge the cruft |
| 00:48.26 | ``Erik | oh, I forgot to clean up EXTRA_DIST, hurrr |
| 00:58.39 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33902 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/libpng/Makefile.am: guess new png doesn't have an aclocal.m4 any longer either, or it wasn't included. |
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| 02:32.58 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
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| 05:33.11 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob |
| 05:45.56 | yukonbob | how're tricks, brlcad ? |
| 05:46.05 | yukonbob | ...and how stable is HEAD |
| 05:46.06 | yukonbob | ? |
| 05:48.56 | brlcad | looks like it's a lot better now |
| 05:49.09 | brlcad | all the major issues should be fixed plus a few more |
| 05:49.21 | yukonbob | was vaguely following the drama ;0 |
| 05:49.23 | yukonbob | :) |
| 05:49.36 | yukonbob | takes the oppotunity to sync |
| 05:49.53 | brlcad | good to get shaken up every now and then, one of the reasons for sticking to a fixed release schedule |
| 05:50.10 | brlcad | obligated to uncover and fix things that might otherwise go unnoticed |
| 05:51.42 | yukonbob | this ties into what I was asking you about other day (re: committing b0rken code)... if one is doing a lot of rough hacking.... would you a) commit every once in a while to capture the 'spirit' of the development, even if it's broken b) commit only after it's fleshed-out and reasonably stable c) you'd never hack like that in-tree |
| 05:52.46 | yukonbob | d) pudding |
| 07:00.22 | PrezKennedy | e) all of the above |
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| 09:00.40 | _sushi_ | I wonder how much real practical value this has: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Hex |
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| 11:26.32 | d-lo | _sushi_: I would say 'some value'. It would be much more useful if you tied in some of the brlcad libs and made a .g directly instead of forcing users to perform an additional conversion step. |
| 11:27.34 | _sushi_ | Then it wouldn't work without BRL-CAD |
| 11:27.47 | _sushi_ | Can you link GPL code with LGPL libraries? |
| 11:27.53 | _sushi_ | I guess yes... |
| 11:28.19 | d-lo | You can use LGPL libs in a GPL project... just not the otherway around. |
| 11:28.23 | _sushi_ | d-lo: the user can load an ascii file |
| 11:29.03 | _sushi_ | File -> Import -> ASCII Database |
| 11:29.42 | d-lo | correct, however if your code is already generating the required memory structs, then it would be super easy to make hex an MGED command and forego the import completely. Just my $0.02 |
| 11:30.24 | _sushi_ | Yes but they won't take it because it's GPL |
| 11:30.30 | _sushi_ | and I won't make my code LGPL |
| 11:30.45 | d-lo | Where does it say its GPL? I saw no lisence anywhere.... |
| 11:31.46 | d-lo | If it is GPL, you might wanna update the hex.c on the wiki. |
| 11:32.15 | _sushi_ | Ah I didn't do svn update on my home computer and then automatically rsynced old version without the GPL header again |
| 11:32.33 | _sushi_ | Now it's fixed |
| 11:33.01 | d-lo | okay. Mind if I ask why you 'won't make your code LGPL' ? |
| 11:33.11 | d-lo | Not to pressure, just curios. |
| 11:33.15 | d-lo | curious. |
| 11:33.18 | _sushi_ | Because I am giving it for free |
| 11:33.48 | _sushi_ | I want people to behave fair that means if I give it for free they should give their code for free too |
| 11:33.54 | _sushi_ | GPL requires that, LGPL doesn't |
| 11:34.30 | d-lo | Okie, thanks! |
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| 12:27.38 | d-lo | _sushi_: I am reading up on Ronja. Personally, I think its pretty damned cool. But I have a question: Is range directly proportional to lense width? |
| 12:28.57 | archivist | no gain |
| 12:29.32 | archivist | width for a good lens will be proportional to gain though |
| 12:29.33 | _sushi_ | d-lo: thanks |
| 12:30.23 | _sushi_ | d-lo: right. Range is proportional to the square root of the signal strength. And signal strength is proportional to square of lens width. |
| 12:30.33 | _sushi_ | d-lo: this is however a simplification, assuming clear air |
| 12:31.36 | _sushi_ | Ronja is supposed to work in light fog, which has additional exponential relation between path travelled and attenuation |
| 12:32.25 | _sushi_ | We are talking about transmitter lens here. |
| 12:32.44 | _sushi_ | With receiver is more complicated because larger lens constitutes a large "window" that allows ambient light on the detector |
| 12:32.54 | _sushi_ | And ambient light creates noise, except in the night. |
| 12:33.15 | d-lo | heh, well that makes sense :) |
| 12:33.41 | _sushi_ | Now a larger receiver lens often has a different focal length or even may need a larger photodiode to accomodate for more blurry focus |
| 12:33.45 | _sushi_ | and then things go very complicate |
| 12:33.53 | _sushi_ | and it has to be measured using a bench |
| 12:34.19 | archivist | mirror lens could be better |
| 12:34.24 | _sushi_ | right |
| 12:34.32 | _sushi_ | the best would be large astronimical mirror |
| 12:35.03 | _sushi_ | unfortunately they are extremely expensive |
| 12:36.02 | _sushi_ | An increase in range can be also achieved by making the receiver tube longer |
| 12:36.17 | _sushi_ | That needs lens with less dioptries and they tend to have sharper image |
| 12:36.28 | _sushi_ | And longer tube means relatively less ambient light for the photodiode |
| 12:36.45 | _sushi_ | But it's impractical to have a long tube on the roof |
| 12:38.36 | d-lo | How proactical is it to have a squared off 'u' tube with mirrors at 45 degree angles inside? Cuts down on the spaced used on the roof.... |
| 12:38.51 | d-lo | Holy Bad Spelling Batman.... |
| 12:39.14 | _sushi_ | I once already thought about that |
| 12:39.18 | _sushi_ | I think it might be a practical idea |
| 12:39.37 | _sushi_ | Modern float glass mirror have very good quality regarding garage quality usage |
| 12:39.55 | _sushi_ | You could point horizontally by simply turning the pipe |
| 12:40.03 | _sushi_ | And vertically by tilting the mirror inside |
| 12:40.19 | _sushi_ | On roof you often have an access to a wall or chimney |
| 12:40.42 | _sushi_ | You could mount this even on an aerial mast |
| 12:42.23 | brlcad | some would argue that your code derives additional value of itself when it is used by others, so imposing on someone else's license makes for an unfair exchange |
| 12:42.33 | brlcad | it'd only be fair if you also used their code in yours (in which case there is no practical lgpl/gpl difference) |
| 12:43.18 | brlcad | by someone using a code, that code benefits by reuse, publicity, affirmation, etc |
| 12:43.48 | brlcad | to claim it's unfair is dubious at best |
| 12:44.10 | d-lo | _sushi_: What about having the lense focus the beam into fiber optics? |
| 12:44.42 | _sushi_ | d-lo: why? |
| 12:45.04 | d-lo | does that achieve a 'longer tube length? |
| 12:45.25 | _sushi_ | the length of the fibre doesn't count |
| 12:46.02 | d-lo | kk |
| 12:46.09 | _sushi_ | THe advantage comes from the fact that the ambient light dissipates with square of the distance from the viewing port |
| 12:46.23 | _sushi_ | And if it is captured into a fibre it just runs along the fibre and doesn't dissipate anymore |
| 12:46.47 | d-lo | So having a 'W' shaped tube would be even better than a 'U' or an 'N' |
| 12:47.29 | _sushi_ | Aha I thought you were talking about one vertical pipe with a 90 degree mirror on the top |
| 12:48.03 | _sushi_ | Well W would be better yes but it would also have to be thicker |
| 12:48.28 | d-lo | No, several bends so as to minimize the 'long tube on the roof' issue. |
| 12:48.40 | d-lo | mornin brlcad ! |
| 12:49.33 | brlcad | 'lo lo |
| 12:49.44 | d-lo | slaps knee.... HA! |
| 12:50.06 | brlcad | what'd that knee ever do to you! |
| 12:50.30 | d-lo | gives out at the most inconvient times :/ |
| 12:51.01 | brlcad | but it's always been there for you, trying to support you ;) |
| 12:51.39 | brlcad | what have you done for it lately? |
| 12:51.45 | d-lo | I know, and I'm greatful. But a little forewarning would be nice. |
| 12:51.50 | brlcad | bet you didn't even get it anything for it's birthday |
| 12:52.17 | d-lo | Like hell I didn't! :) Nice warm soak in the hot tub. |
| 12:52.31 | brlcad | so you tried to drown it, eh? |
| 12:52.50 | d-lo | No, although I have been tempted on occasion. |
| 12:53.58 | brlcad | next you'll be trying to sell it on a burlap sack with "special" rocks |
| 12:54.08 | brlcad | they weren't so special for Mittens |
| 12:54.22 | d-lo | Now thats disturbing on many levels..... |
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| 14:50.00 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 14:58.38 | ``Erik | wonders if the main page of the wiki should have hex removed and third party utilities added |
| 15:04.46 | ``Erik | yukonbob: I like to commit fairly frequently and if I have code I know to be busted in some fashion, I wrap it in a #if 0/#endif. |
| 15:20.44 | brlcad | ``Erik probably |
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| 16:07.19 | starseeker | regains consciousness |
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| 17:14.08 | ``Erik | "twitter is like IRC, except there's only one channel, and everybody's on ignore by default" hehehe |
| 17:14.58 | brlcad | heh |
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| 17:41.20 | groovyOrange | Can I get new 7.14.2 command reference without the source code, as one file? |
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| 19:20.56 | cad49 | hi |
| 19:21.19 | d-lo | howdy |
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| 22:26.12 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad |
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| 03:51.42 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 04:07.19 | PrezKennedy | hey brlcad! |
| 04:33.07 | brlcad | hola |
| 04:33.12 | brlcad | how many left |
| 04:33.14 | brlcad | ? |
| 05:08.37 | PrezKennedy | 2 classes, 2 driving sessions |
| 05:08.38 | PrezKennedy | thank God |
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| 08:03.14 | brlcad | cool |
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| 18:07.47 | ``Erik | yay comcast |
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| 19:08.46 | PrezKennedy | comc-ass-tic |
| 19:08.56 | PrezKennedy | ;) |
| 19:09.36 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, im pushing work along... looks like we'll be getting a couple macbooks soon :) |
| 19:39.16 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: be sure to get Pro if it's for business |
| 19:40.27 | PrezKennedy | they wont pay the cash for that |
| 19:40.29 | brlcad | they parts go through much more extensive reliability testing, makes up the price difference quickly in reduced downtime (at least the rate) |
| 19:41.14 | brlcad | I frankly wouldn't buy one then, it's a riskier situation support-wise |
| 19:41.31 | brlcad | even if it meant getting half as many |
| 19:41.55 | brlcad | you can calculate how many hours that 1k or so price difference will cost in man-hours |
| 19:42.37 | brlcad | and having a hardware failure rate go from something like 99% to 99.9% (hypothetically) |
| 19:43.29 | PrezKennedy | theyre only getting 2 for us to get certs on and become familiar with the system and use... i dont think the .9% will matter too much |
| 19:44.32 | brlcad | ah, that's a little better at least if there's not business relying on it, but I'd still suggest trying to make a case for the pro's instead of the consumer-grade versions |
| 19:44.34 | PrezKennedy | when we do a contract or something im sure theyll go the pricey route |
| 19:44.48 | brlcad | even feature-wise for certification, the non-pro's lack a few features |
| 19:44.58 | PrezKennedy | like what? |
| 19:45.39 | PrezKennedy | i really have to pitch it good for them to fork twice as much for one machine |
| 19:48.29 | brlcad | depending on what you need to certify, the memory limits are much higher for the pros, the superdrive, high-res displays, diff graphics cards (integrated intel vs ati radeon), more vid memory, large display support (30" cinemas), high speed firewire, different power supplies, .. |
| 19:48.46 | brlcad | few other port differences |
| 19:50.45 | brlcad | some of that is dated, so you'd have to check the latest specs |
| 19:51.01 | brlcad | e.g. they're no longer on those graphics cards, and the new unibody design changed a few things |
| 19:53.10 | brlcad | hm, quick glance at their tech specs, they did close the gap a little bit with the unibodies |
| 19:53.35 | brlcad | so not quite as drastic a difference, but I'd still be hesitant to get the non pro for reliability reasons alone |
| 19:58.28 | ``Erik | um |
| 19:58.51 | ``Erik | new macbooks have superdrives and nvidia cards that can drive I believe 30" |
| 19:59.32 | brlcad | yeah, the diff is a lot smaller on the video side now |
| 19:59.50 | ``Erik | the big difference for me when I bought my macbook was the screen size and firewire... I like the small formfactor and don't use firewire, so *shrug* whatever :) |
| 19:59.57 | brlcad | twice the memory, and both nvidia (though one is a 9600 and one a 9200 or something) |
| 20:00.12 | brlcad | for personal use, I think either is great |
| 20:00.21 | ``Erik | the pros have a dual gpu that swaps based on need, but the little one is pretty smoking for the games I play |
| 20:00.41 | brlcad | it's easy to take the risk, there's no "downtime" really if it breaks, at least not any that affects a "bottom-line" |
| 20:00.57 | brlcad | for a business though, that's money and time lost that is easily recovered with a mere 1k price diff |
| 20:01.44 | ``Erik | different failure rate? source pls? cite? </wikipediazi> |
| 20:07.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33904 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c: Undo clearing of auto_path in libtclcad - need general re-evaluation of how auto_path is being handled. |
| 20:07.50 | brlcad | that would require effort |
| 20:07.54 | brlcad | http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/macbooks2.html |
| 20:08.07 | brlcad | unscientific and subject to bias, but sounds about right from what we've seen |
| 20:08.24 | brlcad | the 15" line was bad, but the newer ones are outstanding |
| 20:09.55 | brlcad | being twice as susceptible to failure between non-pro and pro is pretty significant for business use, imnsho |
| 20:10.16 | brlcad | there was other reports I read elsewhere from published support requests, but don't have the link handy |
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| 20:11.25 | brlcad | and it's all still pretty insanely higher reliability than the failure rates of other manufacturers iirc |
| 20:11.31 | brlcad | ah yeah, http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9044618 |
| 20:11.49 | PrezKennedy | alright well i e-mailed the decision makers... |
| 20:11.55 | PrezKennedy | maybe theyll go for it, but i doubt it |
| 20:12.22 | brlcad | can't hurt to ask, worse they can say is "no" :) |
| 20:12.41 | PrezKennedy | knowing them we'll end up with two mac mini's |
| 20:12.49 | PrezKennedy | the low end ones |
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| 20:14.20 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:14.32 | brlcad | sounds like a mini cluster! |
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| 20:19.31 | PrezKennedy | it can be a little frustrating |
| 20:31.55 | ``Erik | hm, those macbooks with the core duos look like only the first gen plastic ones, not the metal ones |
| 20:52.44 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, i send you a message |
| 20:52.53 | PrezKennedy | *sent... whoops |
| 20:52.54 | PrezKennedy | ;) |
| 21:03.35 | brlcad | notes distcheck is busted |
| 21:04.22 | brlcad | wonder if cruisecontrol can be configured to email the entire log |
| 21:05.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33905 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/libpng/Makefile.am: more extra dist bustage |
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| 21:16.31 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33906 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Start getting user supplied input working for coil |
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| 22:11.50 | brlcad | woot, distcheck fixed |
| 22:12.09 | brlcad | just in time for release ma?ana |
| 22:18.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33907 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Get helix angle working in the coil tool |
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| 23:12.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33908 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Get squared, grounded caps working in coil. |
| 23:31.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33909 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Add grounded (unsquared) caps to coil |
| 23:31.19 | starseeker | er, whoops - ground not grounded |
| 23:48.13 | Ralith | well, ground is generally grounded. |
| 23:52.22 | starseeker | not if it's a spring ;-) |
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| 00:22.50 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33910 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: OK, can specify different ending types for the coil now - getting close |
| 00:31.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33911 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: OK, probably not all the cleanup needed for freeing things in coil but its a start |
| 01:51.45 | PrezKennedy | woo one more driving class to go |
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| 02:32.56 | ``Erik | w00t, then it's off to the slave mines to afford a car, insurance, gas, etc :D |
| 02:48.59 | ``Erik | huh, did malcolm mcdowell just call tony blair the queen of england? |
| 02:55.45 | ``Erik | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=2627&d=1 |
| 03:03.10 | madant | :O http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=3759 |
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| 05:37.31 | brlcad | howdy madant |
| 05:37.55 | brlcad | ``Erik: hehe, nice |
| 05:38.26 | brlcad | fortunately I had mad skills long before I got the car |
| 05:41.02 | madant | hi sean |
| 05:41.21 | brlcad | madant: please tell me you're still a student.. :) |
| 05:41.31 | madant | had that interview i was talking about a couple of days back :) |
| 05:41.41 | brlcad | oh yeah, how'd it go? |
| 05:42.04 | madant | march is going to be my most productive month hopefully :) interview was fine.. just usual funny talk.. no serious stuff.. |
| 05:42.15 | madant | hopefully i am a student still ;) |
| 05:43.07 | madant | the results come out in a couple of weeks.. fingers crossed |
| 05:44.05 | madant | when is the org application deadline ? march 20th ? |
| 05:44.58 | brlcad | something like that |
| 05:45.01 | brlcad | ~gsoctimeline |
| 05:45.01 | ibot | gsoctimeline is, like, http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 05:45.05 | madant | oh 13th.. |
| 05:45.42 | brlcad | four whole days.. :) |
| 05:45.42 | madant | a reduction in the number of orgs and students is expectable right .. |
| 05:46.24 | madant | yeah seriously .. student application period is 10 days thankfully .. |
| 05:47.26 | madant | april 20th to august mid seems ok for coding |
| 05:47.27 | brlcad | the student application period would be extended a lot more readily than the org one |
| 05:47.48 | brlcad | the org one has never been extended iirc, the student one has several times |
| 05:48.47 | madant | yeah but i wonder whether larger number of applications is exactly what google is looking forward to this time.. |
| 05:49.06 | brlcad | well last year, the timing was horrible and applications were *way* down |
| 05:49.42 | brlcad | as the first week corresponded with easter, which pretty much resulted in nearly no applications from US and much of Europe |
| 05:50.01 | madant | anyways imho almost all open source organizations applied last year right ? |
| 05:50.02 | brlcad | which is great for the non-US crowd, but overall submissions were down like 50% :) |
| 05:50.22 | brlcad | yeah, there was like 500 or 600 orgs that applies last year |
| 05:50.28 | brlcad | with about 135 accepted |
| 05:50.54 | madant | but steadily over the years more and more students are getting to know about the existence of GSoC |
| 05:51.43 | madant | in my first year of gsoc there was only me from my univ .. then next year there were 3 selected , and last year 7 or so .. and maybe 100 applications ;) |
| 05:52.10 | brlcad | ah, 175 orgs |
| 05:52.12 | madant | are we making a poster ? |
| 05:52.21 | madant | 175 orgs last year :O ? |
| 05:52.39 | brlcad | 1125 students last year |
| 05:52.46 | brlcad | it'll be about 1000 students this year |
| 05:53.11 | madant | that's still decent :) |
| 05:53.19 | madant | hopefully the dropout rate will be lower |
| 05:53.40 | brlcad | unlikely |
| 05:53.51 | brlcad | that's been pretty constant every year |
| 05:53.57 | brlcad | about 80% pass |
| 05:54.14 | brlcad | 80/82/80/83 for the four years |
| 05:54.16 | madant | statistical certainty :P |
| 05:54.50 | brlcad | probably about about 20% should be failed that are passed |
| 05:55.40 | brlcad | topic discussed at the summit, giving bad students many many attempts to succeed |
| 05:56.27 | madant | yeah i remember a lot of discussion on the same even in the student group.. basically some mentors were really pissed off i think .. |
| 05:57.25 | madant | and besides the existence of only two checkposts is also a constraint |
| 05:57.59 | brlcad | madant: so you know, we may take a slot less this year if we're accepted .. but iff we are accepted, making more progress on any of last year's projects will be high priority |
| 05:59.07 | madant | hmm.. hows mafm doing ? would he need help in gui ? i mean slot for another student ? |
| 05:59.09 | brlcad | there's only two google checkpoints, orgs are allowed to do more (technically our checkpoints were weekly) |
| 05:59.24 | brlcad | I don't think mafm is a student any longer iirc |
| 05:59.32 | madant | oh.. |
| 05:59.56 | brlcad | otherwise, yeah, the gui needs to be continued |
| 06:00.40 | PrezKennedy | gotta make it simple for us windoze folk ;) |
| 06:00.51 | brlcad | I think I'd like only three students so more time can be spent working with the various projects |
| 06:01.09 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: all in good time |
| 06:01.13 | madant | is the ogre installation complicated in windoze ? |
| 06:01.32 | brlcad | not really |
| 06:01.38 | brlcad | it's the main platform iirc |
| 06:01.46 | brlcad | or at least one of them |
| 06:01.57 | madant | but not really 'just simply works' level either right ;) ? |
| 06:02.12 | brlcad | not much on windows just simply works |
| 06:02.41 | brlcad | not really worried too horribly about build system issues |
| 06:03.07 | madant | oh.. so major work is interfacing with libged etc. ? |
| 06:03.28 | madant | i mean adding functionality to gui ? |
| 06:03.42 | brlcad | interfacing with either libged or new geometry service, but moreso adding functionality to the gui |
| 06:04.15 | brlcad | he never did get to many of the usability issues, and the basic pervasive command framework |
| 06:04.24 | brlcad | context |
| 06:04.29 | brlcad | er, context windows |
| 06:05.03 | brlcad | i.e. actually make it *look* and feel like the ioe prototype |
| 06:05.11 | madant | ha |
| 06:05.18 | brlcad | lot of work |
| 06:05.33 | madant | yeah.. i have always felt gui IS A LOT of work. |
| 06:05.56 | brlcad | that's why it was really one of the main goals of the project |
| 06:06.14 | madant | all the more reason it should be done once and (approximately) for all properly :) |
| 06:06.30 | brlcad | mafm wanted to work more on the 3D interaction aspects and libged integration, though, which was also good/needed |
| 06:07.17 | brlcad | but particularly for a new gui, I think it'll get a lot more momentum if it looks good, clean, and modular right from the start even if the backend functionality isn't there yet |
| 06:07.35 | brlcad | coding complete |
| 06:07.38 | brlcad | deep not wide |
| 06:08.32 | madant | hmm.. modular is always good |
| 06:08.37 | madant | hmm.. i will wrap up this mathvm in a couple of days.. a good way to start march.. i have been dragging it along too much.. need to concentrate on actual parametrics and constraints.. |
| 06:08.56 | madant | *too long |
| 06:10.00 | brlcad | you know, another project came up a couple weeks ago that I was wishing I had that library for :) |
| 06:10.22 | madant | what was it ? |
| 06:10.29 | brlcad | at least we were discussing various metrics of the real world modelers that use brl-cad for modeling various assets |
| 06:10.45 | brlcad | and the topic of where the time is spent when modeling |
| 06:11.08 | brlcad | (for the guys that spend literally 8hr/day every day of the week most days of the year) |
| 06:12.30 | brlcad | of the time spent modeling, how much time is "new work" vs "rework" .. and particularly for the rework, there is an general feeling that the rework rate is 1) high and 2) closely correllates with the number of interfaces |
| 06:12.45 | madant | which is really the weirdest part.. i mean with the obvious gain of (significant) reduction in modeling time and changes ( particularly since most designs go through a lot of iterations) i find it really surprising that not only do open-source solutions exist.. not even a fully functional commercial solution exists |
| 06:13.22 | brlcad | i.e. that a lot of time is spent moving things around that relate to each other, but since there are no parametric values or contraints to tie objects together, that a lot of time is spent manually fixing the cascade changes that occur when something needs to be moved/changed |
| 06:13.37 | madant | *er i meant not only do open-source solutions not exist :) |
| 06:13.45 | brlcad | nods |
| 06:14.24 | brlcad | there are often commercial solutions, they're just closed source proprietary and you don't know that's what they're doing under the hood |
| 06:14.45 | brlcad | like one of the things we're working on now -- raytracing trimmed nurbs |
| 06:15.06 | madant | scratches his head |
| 06:15.09 | brlcad | there are a few papers on a couple techniques, but it's exceptionally hard to implement it and have it actually be robust |
| 06:15.31 | brlcad | yet many CAD packages do provide it .. just nobody publishes how they accomplished it |
| 06:15.47 | madant | ah that sucks.. |
| 06:16.49 | brlcad | a great paper that come out just last year actually did publish how they did it, but then they patented the process :) |
| 06:17.39 | madant | ok.. that i can still live with |
| 06:17.41 | madant | :) |
| 06:18.13 | brlcad | software patents, at least in the US, are very actively protected |
| 06:18.36 | brlcad | particularly for the major industries (which CAD is) |
| 06:19.00 | madant | oh i didn't mean copying it.. :P |
| 06:19.23 | brlcad | yeah, it's better than nothing |
| 06:19.29 | brlcad | might inspire a new approach |
| 06:19.35 | madant | exactly |
| 06:19.50 | madant | i really don't understand the concept of not publishing a nice idea |
| 06:20.08 | madant | let alone a nice implementation |
| 06:31.39 | jonored_ | That's odd... on ellipsoids and cylinders I seem to be able to slice properly with the order I expect curvatures to be in, but for a torus, it seems to be switched... |
| 06:34.05 | brlcad | switched? |
| 06:35.57 | jonored_ | As in I get the result I expect if I swap crv_c2 and crv_c1 for a torus, but not otherwise. |
| 06:36.28 | jonored_ | crv_pdir should always be the direction tht crv_c1 is associated with, right? |
| 07:15.19 | brlcad | jonored_: eh, wth are you talking about? :) |
| 07:19.42 | brlcad | there's the torus radius and then the radius of the tube itself, plus a position and vector to place/orient it |
| 07:20.06 | brlcad | says he'll pick up this talk later, must wander |
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| 11:29.01 | d-lo | mornin all |
| 11:33.17 | alex_joni | g'morning |
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| 15:14.04 | ``Erik_ | all my connection are belong to comcast :( |
| 15:19.31 | d-lo | suckage... |
| 15:19.46 | d-lo | well, you can always haxor da gibson! |
| 15:21.19 | ``Erik_ | rather haxor a fender O:-) |
| 15:23.49 | starseeker | tries compiling SCL on his box and winces - looks like Code Modernization will have to take place here, to say nothing of build system work |
| 15:24.03 | starseeker | alright, time to play in traffic |
| 15:24.24 | d-lo | So, I think FATE might be falling apart. Without SD there (and the fact that few listen to any one else) it might be the begining of the end! |
| 15:25.47 | ``Erik_ | heh, nifty |
| 15:26.02 | ``Erik_ | fng seems to have survived a handoff pretty well |
| 15:27.04 | d-lo | there were a couple of 'angry' posts about FNG guys pillaging FATE traderoutes, and a few "beat them like redheaded step children' jokes |
| 15:27.21 | d-lo | followed by a few piping up saying "Fate did that to me when i was in FNG, so stick it." |
| 15:27.27 | ``Erik_ | new people who were buggywhipped when found out |
| 15:27.33 | d-lo | quite funny akshuly |
| 15:27.58 | ``Erik_ | a bunch of newbs in 86 got pulled in, and after they got smacked, there was a lot of whining when fate was pillaging and even attacking fng |
| 15:28.42 | ``Erik_ | *shrug* I've barely put any attention to that game lately, and even less to wow :) too much code to do |
| 15:29.29 | d-lo | feck, besides my best efforts... gotta race condition to track down :/ |
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| 17:03.16 | jonored_ | brlcad: I don't think that rt_tor_curve works quite right, unless I am misunderstanding things. Unless I am mistaken, it assumes that the smaller curvature is always associated with the major radius, and then computes a direction for that curvature that is pointing around the cross-section of the torus... but that block of stuff in the conditional I don't quite understand. |
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| 18:07.42 | brlcad | jonored_: what are you up to? |
| 18:12.16 | jonored_ | brlcad: making toolpaths which use arcs when the curvature in the plane of the path is nonzero. |
| 18:13.20 | brlcad | hm |
| 18:13.39 | brlcad | well something that may be of assistance, you can visualize the curvature computations |
| 18:14.14 | brlcad | there's a render lighting mode specifically for it |
| 18:15.28 | brlcad | rt -l 4 and rt -l 5 |
| 18:15.58 | jonored_ | I just finally got my head (and a computer algebra system) around the math to get what that the curvature of an arbitrary intersection should be. Oh, I'll take a look at that. |
| 18:15.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33912 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Start working out a way to support specifying multiple sections of coil with different properties. |
| 18:16.16 | jonored_ | Does one draw with one curvature and the other with the other one? |
| 18:18.44 | jonored_ | looks up the model. |
| 18:18.48 | brlcad | same curvature, different visualizations |
| 18:19.01 | brlcad | one is the inverse radius of curvature |
| 18:19.17 | brlcad | the other shows the direction |
| 18:19.32 | brlcad | so magnitude or dir visualization |
| 18:20.31 | brlcad | can see the actual logic in src/rt/view.c, look for RT_CURVATURE |
| 18:24.57 | brlcad | to be honest, I've not looked at the torus' curvature code in years and it'd take a while to digest what is going on there exactly |
| 18:32.25 | jonored_ | Okay. How likely is it that it might be almost all right but not quite? I'm pretty sure that at least it's not keeping the first curvature smaller than the second. |
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| 18:33.28 | jonored_ | (or is that expected behavior?) |
| 18:43.46 | brlcad | that's certainly possible, we find bugs in even some of the oldest parts of the code from time to time |
| 18:43.55 | brlcad | kinda really rare, but possible |
| 18:49.15 | jonored_ | Okay. I'll keep staring at it until I understand what's going on in the last bit that I haven't understood, and if I'm still convinced it's not right, I'll send a patch. |
| 18:53.24 | brlcad | sounds great |
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| 18:59.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33913 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: More progress to getting multiple sections working in coil |
| 19:31.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33914 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (archer/archer.bat mged/mged.bat util/rtwizard.bat): Update CAD_VERSION. |
| 19:34.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33915 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Section processing is (sort of) working - looks like the pipe primitive doesn't like sections with anything different except pitch though. |
| 19:41.28 | starseeker | expects helix angle and pitch to at least work - sort that out after lunch... |
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| 23:11.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33916 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/coil.c: Clean up capping of 'default' endings - now nt=1 produces one turn of a regular coil by default. |
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| 23:46.30 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33917 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/ (Makefile.am coil.xml): Add man page for coil tool |
| 23:46.41 | brlcad | uh oh, time to move it :) |
| 23:49.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33918 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: two more items identified yesterday, top -u isn't working or the docs are out of sync and there is a view message if you try to change the view before displaying geometry. |
| 23:49.22 | starseeker | brlcad: on it :-) |
| 23:49.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33919 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Move coil into shapes |
| 23:51.17 | starseeker | that took more trouble that I would have guessed, but at least it's in there now |
| 23:52.02 | brlcad | fg |
| 23:52.16 | starseeker | can now generate the necessary shapes to do the remaining screens for the article |
| 23:52.19 | starseeker | fg? |
| 23:52.29 | brlcad | pics or it doesn't exist! |
| 23:52.40 | starseeker | ok... |
| 23:52.41 | brlcad | ~ww |
| 23:52.42 | ibot | Can I get a woot woot? |
| 23:52.54 | starseeker | goes for wonky... |
| 23:58.41 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/coil_fun.png |
| 23:59.30 | ``Erik | dude, you broke your slinky |
| 23:59.39 | brlcad | neat |
| 23:59.46 | brlcad | can model my mattress |
| 00:00.36 | ``Erik | what, a coffin? I thought you weren't gonna sleep until you died :D *duck* |
| 00:04.14 | archivist | if it doesn't do a fusee it doesn't exist |
| 00:04.19 | Ralith | starseeker: wow, an image link that's not larger than my system's RAM :D |
| 00:05.56 | ``Erik | yeah, starseeker, what the heck, is that the thumbnail? |
| 00:07.28 | starseeker | Ralith: I can only get those sorts of images by scanning - raytracing 'em takes too long ;-) |
| 00:07.42 | starseeker | archivist: a fusee? |
| 00:07.56 | brlcad | ``Erik: who said it was for sleeping? |
| 00:08.06 | ``Erik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusee |
| 00:08.10 | archivist | starseeker, an evil form |
| 00:08.29 | ``Erik | actually looks like it'd be reasonably easy to generate parametricly |
| 00:08.56 | ``Erik | just attach a bunch of torii walking up a hyperbola or something |
| 00:09.28 | starseeker | ``Erik: That's an approximation, but yeah |
| 00:09.44 | starseeker | to do it "correctly" we need sweep |
| 00:09.48 | archivist | heh I could be nasty and provide the maths |
| 00:10.03 | ``Erik | starseeker likes nasty math :D |
| 00:10.08 | starseeker | there are limitations to what the pipe primitive itself can express |
| 00:10.09 | ``Erik | *duck* *run* *notit!* |
| 00:10.12 | Ralith | starseeker: hey, you guys did that massive month-long cluster render, didn't you? |
| 00:10.15 | starseeker | mmmm, crunchy |
| 00:10.30 | ``Erik | uhm, the stryker image? |
| 00:10.36 | Ralith | probably |
| 00:10.44 | Ralith | the one with the grass and the slat armor |
| 00:10.49 | starseeker | Ralith: that's a whole vehicle, not a silly coil demo |
| 00:10.51 | ``Erik | that was more like a week or so on a small cluster, using adrt/rise |
| 00:11.00 | Ralith | it was multiple days |
| 00:11.06 | ``Erik | twingy was the one who did that |
| 00:11.09 | Ralith | whozat? |
| 00:11.31 | ``Erik | *point* him |
| 00:20.05 | ``Erik | stupid chain bought out the local grocery store I go to :/ |
| 00:21.50 | starseeker | gawks at how long BLT has gone without a release |
| 00:23.20 | starseeker | brlcad: With ogl now disabled by default, will Archer still work? |
| 00:26.30 | brlcad | starseeker: it should |
| 00:26.51 | brlcad | it just creates an embedded display manager like mged does |
| 00:27.09 | brlcad | which hooks through and creates whatever the default display manager is from libdm |
| 00:27.22 | starseeker | I'm getting a dialog box saying "Unsupported display manager type - ogl" |
| 00:28.16 | starseeker | ok, gotta head to dinner - back later |
| 00:52.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33920 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/wdb_obj.c: GED_INIT_FROM_WDBP was removed. get rid of the if/else/endif wrappage. |
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| 01:06.53 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33921 10/brlcad/trunk/ (doc/deprecation.txt include/ged.h): update note removing the NEW_TOPS_BEHAVIOR toggle. tops -g and -u are deprecated. |
| 01:32.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33922 10/brlcad/trunk/ (10 files in 7 dirs): |
| 01:32.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: get rid of NEW_TOPS_BEHAVIOR. let both the old and the new work for |
| 01:32.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: backwards-compatibility (except not in archer since wdb_obj commands are still |
| 01:32.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: duplications that need to die) but mark the old -g and -u flags as deprecated. |
| 01:32.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: verbosely complain that they are deprecated. this fixes an unexpected behavior |
| 01:32.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: lee and I noticed where -u was no longer working (yet never went through |
| 01:32.31 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: deprecation/removal process). |
| 03:53.44 | starseeker | brlcad: bob and I think we might need to upgrade blt after this latest tcl/tk upgrade |
| 03:53.51 | starseeker | any tricks to that that you know of? |
| 03:55.28 | brlcad | tricks? |
| 03:56.03 | brlcad | there aren't really any tricks, you just have to integrate the build |
| 03:57.43 | brlcad | blt was a fair bit of work |
| 04:01.13 | starseeker | ick |
| 04:01.14 | starseeker | ok |
| 04:44.14 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 04:45.36 | yukonbob | just heard (unofficially) that Tcl8.6 will natively include itcl in distribution... |
| 04:52.27 | yukonbob | sees (officially) that itcl to be included: http://www.tcl.tk/cgi-bin/tct/tip/311 |
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| 05:41.35 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, do you know paul dietz? |
| 05:42.25 | PrezKennedy | nevermind just figured it out for myself |
| 06:34.23 | Twingy | :) |
| 07:11.01 | PrezKennedy | http://twitpic.com/1qhvt |
| 07:11.10 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, is that yours? |
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| 11:57.53 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: heh, yeah but not the account |
| 11:58.11 | brlcad | that was just this past thursday |
| 11:58.17 | brlcad | had lunch at mamies |
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| 15:43.02 | madant | ~gsoctimeline |
| 15:43.03 | ibot | hmm... gsoctimeline is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
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| 20:18.27 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, my friend took the picture... when he mentioned he saw a lotus i figured it might be yours |
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| 23:18.48 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: ah, heh |
| 23:19.13 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: did you tell him you're brother's rode in it too? :) |
| 23:23.18 | PrezKennedy | nah i didnt know that |
| 23:25.20 | brlcad | yeah, since he was working at the lab over the winter, he was still around when I got it |
| 23:32.23 | PrezKennedy | lucky |
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| 00:14.00 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: what happened to osgaming.net? |
| 00:14.18 | brlcad | if you need a new home, could use one of my servers |
| 00:15.38 | PrezKennedy | if i recall, the moved the data somewhere else and i just never bothered to setup the site again |
| 00:15.52 | PrezKennedy | i really should since it was by far the most successful thing ive worked on online |
| 00:16.15 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, did you ever come up with a name for the second server? |
| 00:22.49 | brlcad | nope |
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| 02:34.22 | Ralith | osgaming.net? |
| 02:34.25 | Ralith | that sounds interesting |
| 02:45.26 | Axman6 | read that as orgasming.net |
| 03:43.45 | yukonbob | evening, cadheads :) |
| 03:44.27 | yukonbob | ?is there a brlcad entry for gsoc2009? |
| 05:44.08 | PrezKennedy | haha nice one Axman6 |
| 05:44.30 | Axman6 | heh, i love #brl-cad lag XD |
| 06:49.15 | brlcad | yukonbob: not yet, applications haven't opened yet |
| 06:49.42 | yukonbob | hey brlcad |
| 06:49.47 | brlcad | hey |
| 06:50.10 | yukonbob | thought they closed in start of March (but I haven't been following closely :P) |
| 06:50.26 | yukonbob | brlcad: is there an "idea sheet" for BRLCAD submission-possibilities? |
| 06:51.55 | yukonbob | brlcad: also, see my note earlier re: itcl/tcl8.6? Full intergration of itcl w/ 8.6 release! |
| 06:52.09 | yukonbob | (dunno if you already knew; I just found out yesterday) |
| 06:58.44 | brlcad | yukonbob: http://brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html is always a good staring point |
| 06:59.07 | brlcad | the best ideas come from the students directly often |
| 06:59.08 | yukonbob | also sees applications == Mar 9-13 |
| 06:59.28 | brlcad | yes |
| 06:59.42 | yukonbob | brlcad: Are there plans for participation this year, plans to not participate, or simply no plans (yet)? |
| 06:59.59 | brlcad | the 2008 list is still relevant if we participate |
| 07:01.10 | brlcad | still not time to decide but probably applying at least, just maybe fewer slots |
| 07:01.21 | brlcad | not that it's relevant to the program |
| 07:03.08 | yukonbob | right s/participate/apply/ |
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| 10:03.49 | alex_joni | brlcad: I notice you have Adobe 3D PDF exporte on the list |
| 10:04.13 | alex_joni | basicly the things in the 3D PDF are U3D's (which are further down the list) |
| 10:05.13 | alex_joni | I managed to create U3D's with meshlab, and embed them into a pdf from latex + Movie15 package |
| 10:06.18 | alex_joni | the conversion Meshlab does is using the sample IDTF converter provided with the sample U3D library (http://sourceforge.net/projects/u3d) |
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| 15:08.02 | brlcad | alex_joni: *nod* |
| 15:08.08 | brlcad | sounds like two birds with one stone :) |
| 15:14.29 | brlcad | from our toolchain perspective, there are a lot of integration issues that would have to be sorted out |
| 15:28.35 | brlcad | having a g-u3d and/or a g-pdf exporter, a u3d-g importer .. the g-pdf in particular would be tricky given the current 'path' involves latex+movie15 and how that could be achieved programmatically |
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| 16:45.35 | brlcad | hi samrose |
| 16:46.24 | samrose | hey brlcad |
| 16:47.08 | samrose | opensourceecology is interested in learning brlcad. ultimately, interested in extending it and making easy to use |
| 16:47.27 | samrose | any suggestions for learning brlcad? |
| 16:47.42 | samrose | some of the non-programmers are finding it extremely tough |
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| 16:52.24 | samrose | we are going to also document our learning |
| 16:52.25 | samrose | as we go |
| 16:52.29 | samrose | on brlcad |
| 17:13.37 | brlcad | samrose: *nod* |
| 17:13.57 | brlcad | one of our biggest (specific) long-term goals is making brl-cad a lot easier to use |
| 17:14.07 | samrose | maybe I'll also make some screencasts |
| 17:15.14 | brlcad | there are lots of ways folks can help make brl-cad easier to use |
| 17:15.24 | samrose | I am trying to convince http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=Main_Page (open source ecology) that despite difficulty, that learning brl-cad will be worth the investment. I am creating a foundation in march, and interested in investing in developing brl-cad |
| 17:15.26 | brlcad | there is a massive documentation project under way that you could help out with |
| 17:15.48 | brlcad | that sounds fantastic |
| 17:15.57 | samrose | we will see if we can figure out a way to combine that with existing workflows |
| 17:16.09 | samrose | where id documentation project happening at? |
| 17:16.18 | brlcad | here |
| 17:16.36 | samrose | this one http://brlcad.org/ |
| 17:16.37 | samrose | ? |
| 17:16.38 | brlcad | starseeker is the lead on that effort, there are various tasks and pieces involved |
| 17:16.49 | samrose | here on IRC channel too, eh? |
| 17:17.43 | samrose | also, many emerging fablab projects could participate, if we could find a way to help them do so while they are working on what they are working on |
| 17:17.48 | brlcad | samrose: yeah, that's our main website -- the documentation I refer to is organizing and presenting existing docs better, converting docs to a revision-controllable format, and making them easier to work with in our tools and via the website |
| 17:18.01 | samrose | ah, ok |
| 17:18.43 | samrose | getting all of this stuff from pdf to wiki pages or into revision control, eh? http://brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 17:18.45 | brlcad | most of our discussions happen here on the channel or via our brlcad-devel mailing list |
| 17:18.53 | brlcad | yes |
| 17:18.55 | brlcad | and more |
| 17:19.01 | brlcad | there's a lot more documentation than that |
| 17:19.08 | brlcad | but that's more than enough to start with |
| 17:19.08 | samrose | huh |
| 17:19.54 | brlcad | the first steps are converting the docs to docbook format (an xml-based markup format for technical docs), then generating the output formats we need (web, pdf, doc, html, etc) |
| 17:20.19 | samrose | seems like a programming task, if you ask me. writing some scripts that can get data from x and put it into y with as many changes/conversions needed done during the process as possible |
| 17:20.37 | samrose | I am familari with docbook |
| 17:20.43 | samrose | familiar that is :) |
| 17:20.47 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:20.58 | brlcad | yeah, that part of it is more a programming task |
| 17:21.11 | brlcad | though the input docs are in a wide variety of formats and quantities |
| 17:21.52 | samrose | what kind of revision control are you going to put them into, if I may ask? |
| 17:21.55 | brlcad | hundreds of pages in msword-only, pdf-only, html, latex, and manual page come to mind |
| 17:22.05 | brlcad | our svn repo |
| 17:22.17 | samrose | ok |
| 17:22.37 | brlcad | much of it already is there and done |
| 17:22.48 | samrose | even though there are pages in msword, pdf, etc, there are some tools out there that can help with this |
| 17:22.48 | brlcad | it's been a project under way for quite a while |
| 17:23.01 | brlcad | yeah, and they tend to do a horrific job :) |
| 17:23.06 | samrose | hehe |
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| 17:23.36 | samrose | well, where do you need help these days? |
| 17:23.44 | brlcad | in any regard, that's the work -- using tools, some manual, some automated, some scripting, etc -- hundreds of pages of docs |
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| 17:24.12 | brlcad | there's also a variety of docs that still need to be written/rewritten |
| 17:24.27 | samrose | you should put those in your wiki, maybe? |
| 17:24.35 | brlcad | oh, absolutely |
| 17:24.39 | samrose | then again, what do I know... |
| 17:25.00 | samrose | but, I think media wiki export to docbook will be easy for you |
| 17:25.22 | brlcad | one of the things I'm trying to get working is complete bidirectional editing of the docs through the website (ideally through the wiki) and to revision control docbook on the backend |
| 17:26.22 | brlcad | unfortunately, wiki markup by itself isn't sufficient for all except the most basic layout needs |
| 17:26.28 | samrose | so, that the wiki will export saved revisions as docbook to repo, eh? |
| 17:26.54 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be the goal, so really anyone could edit a document either via checkout or via the website |
| 17:27.21 | brlcad | and not have manual sync'ing, or manual export/import/merge steps |
| 17:27.28 | samrose | hmmm... this is related to another project that I was working on, where we were trying to find ways to push wiki pages into print quality pages (ConTexT in that case) |
| 17:27.48 | brlcad | hopefully avoiding unidirectional editing |
| 17:28.15 | samrose | so, you could check an edit in to revision control, or edit a wiki page, basically |
| 17:30.14 | brlcad | basically |
| 17:30.41 | brlcad | first step was thinking to make either a drupal or mediawiki plugin that could simply display the docbook for a given page/document that would correspond to a given file |
| 17:31.00 | samrose | mediawiki plugin would probably work |
| 17:31.19 | samrose | you could write php that would sync with svn |
| 17:31.27 | samrose | and back the other way |
| 17:32.12 | brlcad | and when an edit was made, it'd go through a validation step, and get committed or scheduled for commit |
| 17:32.15 | samrose | but, you were saying that MW markup is missing formatting you need for docbook |
| 17:32.41 | brlcad | right, that's why it'd just display the docbook straight up as a first step |
| 17:32.55 | samrose | it could actually run a command line command, if everything you needed existed as commands that could be run from shell :) |
| 17:33.06 | brlcad | e.g. have one section/page that has the editable docbook, and another (read-only) that would be the rendered result |
| 17:33.25 | samrose | like a "release" page |
| 17:33.40 | samrose | so, you might use branches in svn to track that |
| 17:33.44 | samrose | or tags |
| 17:33.47 | brlcad | so hourly/nightly/manually/automatically/whatever, it would update from svn sources and rerender as needed |
| 17:33.58 | brlcad | yeah, something like that |
| 17:34.14 | samrose | the docbook idea is cool, because you could build a book as needed from pages |
| 17:34.24 | brlcad | yeah, that's part of the goal |
| 17:34.29 | brlcad | we have several books as is |
| 17:35.21 | samrose | I am working on something similar with decentalized revision control right now as package management for digital design. I know it won't work for you, but I could also |
| 17:35.32 | samrose | think about ways to sync with documentation |
| 17:35.52 | louipc | this sounds pretty awesome |
| 17:36.11 | samrose | so, we would pull brl-cad book, and could push changes in ways that you need, so that you can review and commit |
| 17:36.44 | samrose | this is built in mercurial, python, bugseverywhere, exelearning, possibly more (a small wiki engine called hatta wiki) |
| 17:36.57 | samrose | everything syncs with mercurial repo |
| 17:36.58 | brlcad | samrose: distributed vs centralized revision control wouldn't/shouldn't really affect this -- most of the work is in how to display on the site, how it's integrated as a plugin, etc |
| 17:37.30 | samrose | yeah, so anyone could edit, and there could be a plugin that would send you edits as commits in a form that you can use |
| 17:37.49 | brlcad | ideally, one could make a much more complex mediawiki plugin that uses docbook as the entire format, renders the page using docbook as an alternate wiki markup |
| 17:38.10 | brlcad | along with commit hooks on changes, of course |
| 17:38.43 | samrose | well, i think there is already a docbook conversion for MW |
| 17:38.52 | brlcad | export only |
| 17:38.54 | brlcad | one-way |
| 17:38.57 | samrose | ah |
| 17:39.28 | brlcad | and if I put docbook into an edit page, it certainly won't render it ;) |
| 17:39.56 | brlcad | barely deals with the html it supports |
| 17:40.00 | MinuteElectron | is docbook latex? |
| 17:40.19 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: no, docbook is an xml or sgml-based markup |
| 17:40.31 | samrose | I am thinking that in addition to what you suggest above, that if there is a specification for what you are looking for in commits/edits, that this could also be built into other systems |
| 17:40.35 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 17:40.50 | brlcad | one of the toolchains effectively converts docbook into a latex format and uses latex tools to render it (for pdf, rtf, etc) |
| 17:42.54 | samrose | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Guides/Wiki_conversions/DocBook_to_Wiki |
| 17:43.00 | samrose | perl! |
| 17:43.02 | samrose | hahaha |
| 17:43.06 | brlcad | samrose: yeah, it really should be generalizable to any project and most revision-control backends |
| 17:44.00 | samrose | so, basically you can say: "this is what we need from you in the form of edit commits" I think you are saying it needs to be docbook |
| 17:44.06 | brlcad | yeah, I've seen what they did -- sort of a similar idea, but I think that's a flop on execution |
| 17:44.23 | samrose | heh, that was just a quick google search |
| 17:44.28 | brlcad | it shouldn't just dumb down docbook to mediawiki markup if you want bidirectional |
| 17:44.37 | samrose | I see |
| 17:46.17 | brlcad | requiring editors to understand basic docbook is a reasonable first-step compromise |
| 17:46.32 | brlcad | even our non-technically inclined editors have been able to use it |
| 17:46.40 | samrose | yeah. or it may be worth making a really good conversion system |
| 17:46.53 | samrose | well, that is true |
| 17:47.11 | brlcad | just requires a simple tutorial, existing examples |
| 17:47.29 | brlcad | not really any more complicated than wikitext markup, just more verbose |
| 17:47.35 | brlcad | and more expressive/formalized |
| 17:47.42 | samrose | yeah, I think most could handle it |
| 17:48.06 | brlcad | there's even a wiki based on docbook, but I think mediawiki does a much better job really |
| 17:48.57 | samrose | yeah. hmmm... I wonder how quickly the DTD of docbook could be programmatically mapped. |
| 17:49.18 | samrose | (just thinking out loud) |
| 17:50.39 | samrose | like this python script could work, it just needs to be more complete: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Guides/Wiki_conversions/DocBook_to_Wiki |
| 17:53.09 | samrose | I am just thinking about how to get people who are already doing flex fab projects to 1. use brlcad 2. be able to quickly jump into documentation as they go |
| 17:53.46 | samrose | I think we can do it over the next year or so |
| 17:53.53 | brlcad | what are the needs? |
| 17:53.58 | samrose | over time, get more people doing 1, and 2 |
| 17:54.00 | brlcad | what do you need a CAD system to do? |
| 17:54.41 | samrose | people need solid geo modeling to document designs, so that others can collaborate on designs with them |
| 17:54.44 | samrose | for one thing |
| 17:55.07 | brlcad | to document the design in what manner? |
| 17:55.24 | samrose | geometric dimensions |
| 17:55.59 | samrose | many designs that are intended to be executed by cnc machinery |
| 17:56.39 | samrose | perhaps CAD is not needed in every case, but there is clearly a demand |
| 17:56.52 | brlcad | the latter is closer to doable now than the prior with where things currently stand |
| 17:57.22 | samrose | you mean with brlcad in general? |
| 17:57.33 | brlcad | there's a lot of work that has to go into our toolset before we can have automatic dimensioning for things like generating drawings and other drafting docs |
| 17:57.39 | brlcad | yeah, in general |
| 17:58.00 | samrose | Well, automatic dimensioning is actually not a requisite |
| 17:58.14 | samrose | just *some* usuable 3D FLOSS CAD software |
| 17:58.16 | samrose | :) |
| 17:58.25 | samrose | and, the knowledge of how to use it |
| 17:58.26 | bitminer | Is meida wiki being used currently? If so where is the search bar? Online wiki editor for Doc Book http://code.google.com/p/owed/ |
| 17:58.41 | samrose | OSE uses media wiki |
| 17:58.47 | brlcad | well we're by far the best and most developed 3d f/oss cad software :) |
| 17:58.59 | samrose | yeah, that is the conclusion I came to |
| 17:59.18 | brlcad | bitminer: interesting, i've not seen that project |
| 17:59.31 | bitminer | Just using some google foo |
| 17:59.57 | brlcad | samrose: our biggest failing atm is gui usability -- the learning curve on mged (our main editor) is very steep |
| 18:00.13 | bitminer | Sorry to return to doc book in this conversation, but thought you could use the info |
| 18:00.43 | brlcad | "This project is abandoned" |
| 18:01.04 | samrose | could be worth doing an autopsy on, though |
| 18:01.17 | samrose | mged was the objection that lots of people raised to me |
| 18:01.24 | samrose | so I am trying to convince them to learn it |
| 18:01.57 | samrose | but, then, I am also thinking about how users could drive evolution at the same time. |
| 18:02.32 | bitminer | I have needed (docbook) wiki in the past, never obatained it though. Likey a project in and of itself. |
| 18:02.42 | samrose | I think I could get funds to hel towards gui interface design, but I want to work both with brlcad and people in the field |
| 18:02.44 | brlcad | bitminer: more I read it, looks like they never finished and it's not a mediawiki plugin but a new wiki? |
| 18:03.06 | bitminer | As for using mged and UI. Yes it is steep, but so too was learning Unigraphics. |
| 18:03.19 | bitminer | With all the gui bells and whistles |
| 18:03.30 | samrose | anyway, I think I can convince people to use mged now |
| 18:04.06 | samrose | I did not realize that your existing documents are in svn so that alone really helps |
| 18:04.35 | bitminer | I though I saw doc book in trunk? Yes ... checking... |
| 18:05.01 | samrose | thanks brlcad bitminer. I'll talk to you later |
| 18:05.42 | brlcad | samrose: if it's any consolation, the expert brl-cad modelers are usually more efficient in mged than they are in other commercial cad systems |
| 18:05.51 | brlcad | it just took a while for them to get to that level of proficiency |
| 18:06.36 | brlcad | bitminer: yes, doc/docbook has most of the docs that have already been converted |
| 18:06.56 | bitminer | What I thought from snooping arround. Just getting started though. |
| 18:07.16 | brlcad | there are still hundreds of 'pages' of docs, and hundreds of files, that still have to be converted |
| 18:07.48 | brlcad | e.g., there are more than 400 tools in brl-cad -- there is a manual page for nearly all of them that needs to be converted |
| 18:07.57 | brlcad | fortunately, that's a good one for automatic conversion |
| 18:08.05 | bitminer | I know that doing this progrmatically, being programmers is encticing, but how hard would it be to do it ... mmm... huh... manually. |
| 18:08.39 | brlcad | similarly, though, there are 300+ different mged commands which is all over the place |
| 18:09.00 | brlcad | bitminer: a lot of it is being done manually |
| 18:09.08 | brlcad | it's just really tedious too :) |
| 18:09.30 | bitminer | So what would be target for auto convert and what would need to be done manualy? |
| 18:11.25 | brlcad | bitminer: target is having docbook files instead of troff manpage format files :) |
| 18:14.01 | brlcad | the html docs and msword docs tend to require a lot more manual effort |
| 19:12.20 | yukonbob | morning, cadheads |
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| 21:06.16 | starseeker | about autoconverting docs - the existing man pages have been run through an autoconversion process that produces "close" to correct output. The MGED commands, which are the current focus due to their being "user visible" in the MGED environment itself, typically do not have man pages to start with. Those are being hand converted, using the Volume II appendix as a starting point and a docbook template into which the information is inserted |
| 21:06.58 | starseeker | However, just getting the documentation into docbook is only the first step, although probably the most tedious one |
| 21:07.51 | starseeker | virtually all the documentation we have besides the chapters in the Volume II and III books needs to be carefully checked to make sure they are still current, correct and clear |
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| 21:47.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33923 10/brlcad/trunk/ (TODO src/mged/cmd.c): make sure all of the view commands have the view to work with. this should remove the 'A view does not exist' messages from the GED view check. |
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| 23:14.38 | brlcad | starseeker: another thought came to mind about the tcl upgrade -- did you apply bob's 2x command length patch? |
| 23:19.20 | starseeker | I believe I did |
| 23:19.38 | starseeker | I think that was one of two I had applied at the outset - it should say in the commit message |
| 23:23.45 | brlcad | okay, cool |
| 23:24.15 | starseeker | still hasn't had time to work on blt yet - the one naive attempt to put latest cvs blt into the brlcad tree resulted in a compile error |
| 23:24.31 | brlcad | they were working on our patch reviewing it |
| 23:24.44 | starseeker | hmm. when was that? |
| 23:24.51 | brlcad | couple days ago |
| 23:24.58 | starseeker | ah, cool :-) |
| 23:25.27 | starseeker | half agrees with Bob that we might want to revert Tcl/Tk upgrade til after the release - Archer will at least work on some platforms that way |
| 23:25.45 | starseeker | is probably the only one with the X/Tk conflict |
| 23:27.18 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33925 10/brlcad/trunk/autogen.sh: another tweak from sebastian pipping, adds support for the old automake libtool macro, AM_PROG_LIBTOOL. |
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| 01:30.35 | ``Erik | *readreadread* |
| 01:30.44 | ``Erik | hm |
| 01:31.27 | ``Erik | bah, nascar is still on, I want my cartoons *pout* |
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| 06:08.29 | starseeker | brlcad: I made a test manually of a coil coiling inward: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/coil_in_ex.png what do you think? Is it a good enough approximation to be worthwhile? |
| 08:57.02 | archivist | hmm cnc wire bending |
| 09:03.52 | brlcad | starseeker: I'd still probably say not really -- even that test looks oddly shaped enough that I'd think it was a bug instead of an approximated implementation detail |
| 09:05.17 | brlcad | maybe if you could control how approximated it was at the expense of speed (like 100 or 1000 bends just to make one turn) |
| 09:05.35 | brlcad | but yeah, not at the quarter-turn |
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| 11:50.39 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
| 11:50.53 | d-lo | brlcad: Still awake or just woke up? |
| 12:12.33 | d-lo | ``Erik: Have any essssspertize on decompliation / assembly ? |
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| 12:19.32 | TC-Rucho | hello |
| 12:30.51 | brlcad | d-lo: still awake |
| 12:31.53 | d-lo | machine.... |
| 12:32.14 | d-lo | I take it you rcurrent work location will be the work location for the day then ? :)\ |
| 12:32.18 | brlcad | trying to fix a stupid resize bug |
| 12:32.49 | d-lo | as in GUI widget resize? |
| 12:33.06 | brlcad | it'd be tricky to try and get out right now with the snow depth on top of ice |
| 12:33.24 | d-lo | how much snow you get so far? |
| 12:33.33 | d-lo | I got <1" at home :/ |
| 12:33.43 | d-lo | they *said* 5-8" |
| 12:33.49 | brlcad | it iced through most of the night and has been snowing few a few hours since, maybe 4-6" total |
| 12:34.02 | d-lo | I got excited and broke out the sleds :/ I think i cursed it. |
| 12:35.47 | d-lo | brlcad: do you have any exp with disassembly/decompilation? |
| 12:54.09 | brlcad | sure |
| 12:54.53 | brlcad | rarely need it these days, though .. usually just to check out what the optimizer did |
| 12:58.09 | d-lo | I might have to pick your brain when next I see you then. |
| 12:59.24 | brlcad | some knowledge rot, best to just speak and hit me up with tools at my fingertips, and a wider audience if need be |
| 13:00.39 | d-lo | Well i have a binary in which I do not have the source for, but I know that it uses a certain open sourced library |
| 13:01.07 | d-lo | I am trying to find a specific function call so I can hook into it and watch/log the data flow. |
| 13:01.13 | d-lo | (Personal project btw) |
| 13:01.45 | brlcad | hook into it.. |
| 13:01.58 | brlcad | java? |
| 13:02.18 | d-lo | hook's a bad word to use.... um. place a 'watch point' for logging/viewing in a console. |
| 13:02.42 | d-lo | No, not java. I believe the original language was MSVC6.0 |
| 13:04.55 | TC-Rucho | is there a way to hide/erase the objects that are used for boolean subtraction when drawing a region? |
| 13:05.06 | TC-Rucho | all this wireframing is driving me nuts |
| 13:05.14 | brlcad | hm, that's a pretty hefty goal, even to just watch and log without narrowing down and knowing a lot more about that code |
| 13:05.48 | d-lo | *sigh* i know. |
| 13:06.00 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: I believe you can change how the negatives are drawn that might help |
| 13:06.28 | brlcad | "maybe", but there is no way to turn them off outright without switching to a different render mode |
| 13:06.52 | TC-Rucho | hmm |
| 13:07.00 | d-lo | I have tracked down what exact lib its using, gotten the source for that and have found (in the dissassembled asm) where the headers I want are imported...but after that I am at a loss :/ |
| 13:07.09 | d-lo | Okay, I stop the OffTopic banter for now ;) |
| 13:07.57 | TC-Rucho | brlcad: I don't know where to start to change that right now |
| 13:08.03 | TC-Rucho | any more obvious hint? |
| 13:08.13 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: yeah, hold on |
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| 13:16.21 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: hm, i'm not finding the option either, only the one that changes all linewidths |
| 13:16.27 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: something else you can do though |
| 13:16.30 | brlcad | two things actually |
| 13:16.53 | brlcad | one is to utilize ray-tracing more -- it's there to help show the evaluated/shaded result |
| 13:17.18 | TC-Rucho | I don't like the mged GUI, I find it ugly, so I use the console style |
| 13:17.32 | brlcad | with the raytrace control panel open, it supposed to be simple enough to render, turn off the framebuffer, turn on and render, repeat, etc |
| 13:17.34 | TC-Rucho | I do raytrace from time to time to see wtf is going on |
| 13:17.48 | TC-Rucho | yeah, already doing that |
| 13:18.17 | brlcad | another thing you can do, which will entirely depend on your objects |
| 13:18.26 | brlcad | is to display them evaluated instead of unevaluated |
| 13:18.45 | TC-Rucho | that sounds interesting, keep talking |
| 13:18.46 | brlcad | what are you using now to display objects? |
| 13:19.02 | brlcad | draw? e? |
| 13:19.06 | TC-Rucho | draw |
| 13:19.20 | brlcad | so instead of draw, you could use either ev or E |
| 13:19.27 | brlcad | subtlely different results |
| 13:19.50 | brlcad | it'll evaluate the booleans in polygonal mode and show an evaluated polygon |
| 13:20.05 | brlcad | some like it more, sometimes too much, just depends on the model |
| 13:20.30 | brlcad | if the geometry gets too complex, there are limitations to what can be evaluated |
| 13:20.52 | brlcad | it'll give you more wireframe instead of less, of course, but it might help |
| 13:21.03 | TC-Rucho | yeah, I'm working with spheres and it's getting really messy |
| 13:21.54 | brlcad | and if you have an open-gl-enabled mged, there's yet a third thing you can try that displays in shaded mode all the time |
| 13:22.10 | TC-Rucho | which would be? |
| 13:23.41 | brlcad | it's an experimental mode, so use at own caution, and only with ogl display manager, but iirc, it is enabled by turning on z-buffering, turning off lighting, run 'set shaded_mode 2' and redraw your objects |
| 13:24.49 | TC-Rucho | already tried that about an hour ago, and all it does is fill the object with a plain color, no shades, so it's really not useful at all imo |
| 13:25.15 | TC-Rucho | want to see a screenshot? |
| 13:25.49 | brlcad | then it's not enabled correctly |
| 13:26.10 | TC-Rucho | http://tc-rucho.homelinux.net/Scrots/crappy-shade.png |
| 13:26.13 | TC-Rucho | that's what I get |
| 13:26.16 | brlcad | those first two enable/disable steps are required |
| 13:26.23 | TC-Rucho | hmm, let's see |
| 13:26.38 | brlcad | yeah, that's just not enabled correctly |
| 13:27.16 | TC-Rucho | I'll try to enable that with mged gui first, brb |
| 13:27.21 | brlcad | it's not meant to be easy yet. you're using a dev hook at this point, so it's all manual |
| 13:28.27 | brlcad | i might have the toggling off on one of them too, easy enough to tell when it works though |
| 13:29.35 | TC-Rucho | z-buffering on |
| 13:29.37 | brlcad | the real fix for that is in the pipeline, part of the bigger BREP support effort |
| 13:29.41 | TC-Rucho | now the light |
| 13:30.24 | TC-Rucho | lighting off and yet the same thing when redrawing |
| 13:30.26 | TC-Rucho | =/ |
| 13:30.39 | brlcad | there's at least four combinations there |
| 13:30.45 | brlcad | to try |
| 13:30.48 | TC-Rucho | yeah |
| 13:30.52 | TC-Rucho | I'm on my way |
| 13:31.04 | brlcad | i don't have an ogl-enabled build at the moment |
| 13:31.34 | TC-Rucho | ok, this can be really haired, but it's Zbuffer off, lighting on |
| 13:31.57 | brlcad | sounds about right |
| 13:32.24 | TC-Rucho | ok, got to get it working in the console based mged |
| 13:32.31 | TC-Rucho | I'll be back in a minute |
| 13:32.52 | brlcad | what are you working on? |
| 13:33.02 | TC-Rucho | oh, Z clipping must be on too |
| 13:33.43 | TC-Rucho | I'm drawing my webcam for the sake of learning how to use BRL CAD. I've had some rough times trying to move objects (actually still haven't figured out how to move regions in space) |
| 13:33.55 | brlcad | oed |
| 13:34.13 | brlcad | there's a whole tutorial geared towards teaching that |
| 13:34.14 | TC-Rucho | I tried sed and ted (which I found awesomely useful) |
| 13:34.35 | brlcad | sed is for primitives |
| 13:34.43 | brlcad | oed is for everything else |
| 13:34.51 | TC-Rucho | I see |
| 13:34.55 | brlcad | object edit |
| 13:35.15 | brlcad | oed / my_region/path/to/primitive |
| 13:35.25 | brlcad | rot 50 0 0 |
| 13:35.28 | brlcad | accept |
| 13:50.24 | TC-Rucho | wouldn't that commandline be for editing a single primitive instead of a whole region? |
| 14:05.40 | brlcad | nope |
| 14:05.56 | brlcad | the primitive is only required to set an explicit keypoint |
| 14:06.53 | brlcad | so it will rotate about the primary vertex point of the given primitive specified, but apply a matrix between the left-hand and right-hand side for a given /arbitrary/path/to/objects |
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| 15:03.20 | TC-Rucho | I was wondering, does brlcad have at least a 1 step-only undo? |
| 15:06.09 | TC-Rucho | guess not |
| 15:06.12 | TC-Rucho | =/ |
| 15:06.27 | TC-Rucho | note to self: always triple check before doing a killtree |
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| 15:55.56 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: it's a two-step undo, cp file.g backup.g, later cp backup.g file.g to undo |
| 15:57.39 | brlcad | best practice is to make backups of your .g file every N timeframes (e.g. daily) so that at worst you've never lost more than N work (e.g. a day's worth) |
| 15:58.52 | brlcad | that'll be addressed with the new gui, but it's still simply not a high priority since the geometry command layer is designed just like the unix command line and is intentionally unforgiving |
| 15:59.29 | brlcad | you could just as well create proc overrides that makes backups for you or prompts for confirmation just like some folks do with rm |
| 16:00.20 | brlcad | again, not something being avoided, just not a priority until shaded displays and the new command layer is in place |
| 16:27.45 | ``Erik | d'lo: uh, a little, mostly quite antiquated, though |
| 16:30.42 | d-lo | Hrm, okay. |
| 16:30.53 | d-lo | Looks like I am on my own :/ |
| 16:31.08 | d-lo | ``Erik: You braving the roads or calling today a wash? |
| 16:31.58 | brlcad | d-lo: it's usually infinitely easier to snoop the wires |
| 16:32.36 | brlcad | if there's any net communication, or port protocol i/o, or even file i/o |
| 16:33.02 | brlcad | a lot easier to meter that doesn't require dissassembly or trying to inject man-in-the-middle code |
| 16:33.19 | d-lo | Well, thats just the issue. ;) I need to see the data BEFORE it gets encrypted. |
| 16:33.22 | ``Erik | this is my rdo |
| 16:33.41 | ``Erik | which is good, as they haven't plowed my neighborhood yet :) |
| 16:34.34 | brlcad | d-lo: ah, then your best bet is probably to run the app through a debugger, break it right before the data is encrypted, then step through the assembly one instruction at a time watching how all the register data changes |
| 16:34.50 | brlcad | very tedius, but doable |
| 16:35.21 | ``Erik | hm, I forget if ndisasm attempts to generate labels or just uses offsets |
| 16:36.15 | brlcad | yeah, there are some intelligent tools that will rebuild from symbols and labels if they are there |
| 16:36.44 | brlcad | another toolset to learn though, debugger is simple low-level |
| 16:36.53 | d-lo | brlcad: Right. Thats the approach I am trying to take. As a step before, since I know its using openSSL, then I am trying to grab the offsets for the functions to make my searching in pure asm easier. |
| 16:37.04 | ``Erik | so you're picking that old project up again? heh |
| 16:37.10 | d-lo | yeah. ;) |
| 16:37.53 | d-lo | I am usin IDA. Its doing a pretty good job thus far, but working on a 20MB binary is kicking my laptop in the nuts :( |
| 16:38.03 | ``Erik | there should be something like a _call directive going on that should make it a lot more readoable |
| 16:38.44 | ``Erik | readable, even |
| 16:39.13 | ``Erik | there should be a "wakethefuckuperik" directive that makes my sentences a lot more readable :D |
| 16:42.19 | brlcad | yay, finally! |
| 16:42.34 | brlcad | g'damn that was more difficult than it should have been |
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| 16:53.29 | TC-Rucho | brlcad: wouldn't it be more conveniente to have oed to work like this?: oed /path/to/group-or-primitive-to-work-with /path/to/reference-primitive <br/> What's the point in telling oed where is it contained? (the rlh path). |
| 16:54.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33929 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/mged/chgmodel.c): |
| 16:54.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: make the 'make' command use the existing view size when creating new objects by |
| 16:54.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: utilizing the new -R option on the draw command. this is a change to make's |
| 16:54.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: behavior when there are no objects displayed since previously, it would create |
| 16:54.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: an object sized to the view, but then autoview to size the view out. this would |
| 16:54.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: result in unexpected view changes that would get compounded if the user called |
| 16:54.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: make/draw/kill repeatedly. |
| 16:54.37 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: it'd be easier to just say "oed object" or "oed /path/to/object" but that would imply automatic keypoints based on "something" (perhaps the center of the bounding box for that object) |
| 16:55.16 | TC-Rucho | brlcad: what about just oed /path/to/group/and/reference-primitive |
| 16:55.32 | brlcad | then where does it apply the matrix? |
| 16:55.43 | TC-Rucho | to the greatest group mentioned in the path |
| 16:55.51 | brlcad | "greatest"? |
| 16:56.05 | TC-Rucho | parent? |
| 16:56.13 | TC-Rucho | for example: |
| 16:56.17 | brlcad | if "path" is the object you wanted to change, then that'd be no different than oed / /path/to/group/and/reference-primitive |
| 16:56.37 | brlcad | so you saved two keystrokes and introduced ambiguity :) |
| 16:56.45 | brlcad | there is just one path |
| 16:57.10 | brlcad | the arguments are the left-hand side of that one path, and the right-hand side |
| 16:57.40 | TC-Rucho | if I want to edit group I go with oed group/and/reference-primitive if I want to edit path I go with oed /path/to/group/and/reference-primitive. Is that ambiguous? |
| 16:57.45 | brlcad | every where there is a slash, you can inject a transformation matrix |
| 16:58.35 | brlcad | no, you're still not understanding what it means to be a path I think |
| 16:58.44 | TC-Rucho | maybe |
| 16:59.02 | brlcad | the tutorial does a pretty good job with examples to explain it in detail, fwiw |
| 16:59.12 | brlcad | including the implications and rationale |
| 17:00.23 | brlcad | but even using a filesystem path metaphor as an example, "oed /path/to/group/and/primitive" could imply that you want to edit the 'path' object or the 'primitive' object in that path'ed context |
| 17:00.58 | brlcad | the only reason you specify a path at all is to obtain a keypoint -- you still have to say what object in what context no matter what |
| 17:01.32 | brlcad | e.g. to qualify instance editing versus global editing |
| 17:01.39 | TC-Rucho | it took me a while to get what was it all about since I was getting a shitty error about "Unable to find solid matching path" (later figured out it was because I did not draw one of the objects) |
| 17:02.15 | TC-Rucho | hmm, I'll have to experiment about that |
| 17:02.22 | brlcad | yes, you have to load the objects for editing (via draw/e/B) before you can oed, sed works that way too |
| 17:02.46 | brlcad | 'who' tells you what objects are editable |
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| 17:04.03 | brlcad | another simple example, you have a room with a bed and a chair, constructed with some primitives .. there's a "room", "chair", and "bed" object as well as their primitives in the database |
| 17:04.15 | TC-Rucho | I don't yet see the difference in doing oed /combination region/primitive and oed / region/primitive |
| 17:04.40 | brlcad | "oed / room/chair/leg/arb8" means "move the room" |
| 17:04.52 | TC-Rucho | aye |
| 17:05.07 | brlcad | "oed /room chair/leg/arb" means "move just that one chair in that room" |
| 17:05.25 | brlcad | "oed / chair/leg/arb8" would mean "move all chairs" |
| 17:06.11 | TC-Rucho | really?, I would have bet that "oed / chair/leg/arb" meant "move just that one chair" |
| 17:06.34 | brlcad | they are named references |
| 17:06.56 | brlcad | so if you use 'chair' as a name elsewhere and you move /chair, you move everything |
| 17:07.41 | brlcad | depends how your hierarchy is contstructed |
| 17:08.39 | brlcad | it's a basic set of directed acyclic graphs where you can apply a matrix to any node in the graph |
| 17:08.51 | brlcad | same concept as for any other CAD system really |
| 17:09.52 | brlcad | main difference is different terms, assemblies regions parts combinations primitives groups |
| 17:10.28 | TC-Rucho | well, I've used AutoCAD, totally different paradigm, and when I reached the oed part, I was confused as hell, because I thought of it as a referencing system like AutoCAD's move/copy/whatever where one selects a group of objects, then a reference point, and an end point |
| 17:10.54 | TC-Rucho | so I thought of oed as oed /group/to/work/with /path/to/reference-primitive |
| 17:10.58 | ``Erik | ow |
| 17:11.09 | ``Erik | got ~6-7" of snow, just finished shoveling |
| 17:11.11 | brlcad | main difference with a system like autocad is that every object (well, most objects) are automatically wrapped in a container object by default |
| 17:11.34 | brlcad | so to change all instances, it involves a more explicit action usually |
| 17:12.17 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: oed is like "oed /group/to/work/with /path/to/reference-primitive" :) |
| 17:12.31 | brlcad | your words and what those slashes mean are just not connecting |
| 17:12.56 | brlcad | means that this is some valid path: /group/to/work/with/path/to/reference-primitive |
| 17:13.21 | brlcad | and you want to edit the 'path' object instance referenced in the 'with' object |
| 17:13.37 | brlcad | using 'reference-primitive' as the keypoint |
| 17:14.32 | brlcad | (more specifically, the 'reference-primitive' keypoint in the '/group/to/work/with/path/to' context) |
| 17:15.46 | brlcad | it really is one of those lightbulb issues that should suddenly go off eventually and you'll wonder how you ever understood it differently |
| 17:16.12 | TC-Rucho | right, but still, I don't quite see the difference in doing oed / /region/primitive and oed /group region/primitive |
| 17:16.31 | TC-Rucho | hmm |
| 17:16.49 | TC-Rucho | I tried both, and they work the same way |
| 17:17.12 | brlcad | they'll give the same end-result until you have 'region' used in multiple places |
| 17:17.22 | brlcad | (not in 'group') |
| 17:18.44 | TC-Rucho | ok, I have just modelled some basic stuff, now I'll complete the webcam model, and maybe I'll get what you mean once the modell get's bigger and more complex (although I think I would need to reuse some regions in order to see what you mean) |
| 17:18.48 | brlcad | seriously, oed tutorial |
| 17:18.51 | brlcad | it will explain a lot |
| 17:19.12 | TC-Rucho | I've been reading it for a long while now |
| 17:19.30 | TC-Rucho | it's just that it puzzled me out since I had a preconcept about how it should work |
| 17:21.22 | brlcad | hm, that discussion gave me an idea for a terminology doc |
| 17:22.46 | TC-Rucho | yeah, that left hand path and right hand path notation is not what I would call "clear" but anyway |
| 17:24.24 | brlcad | having to specify the path to a primitive for a keypoint is really the point of confusion |
| 17:25.37 | brlcad | that's a technical limitation by the fact that there is no keypoint and deriving an implicit keypoint based on bounding box sizes is questionable (someone will still probably do it eventually) |
| 17:34.14 | d-lo | I say: Take the average of the 8 points of the Boundingbox and make that default keypoint for oed. |
| 17:37.21 | TC-Rucho | brlcad: I got it now, the only way to understand the difference is to group some regions, and implicitly reusing the regions by making copies of the group |
| 17:37.29 | TC-Rucho | it is all clear now |
| 17:40.41 | ``Erik | hrmmm |
| 17:40.55 | ``Erik | *snrkt* |
| 17:47.57 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:48.28 | brlcad | d-lo: that is the idea, what I meant by "someone will still probably do it eventually" |
| 17:49.10 | brlcad | the problem then becomes unexpected behavior issues since that keypoint isn't exactly easily worked with until a variety of other commands are updated too |
| 17:49.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33930 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/ (2 files in 2 dirs): document the new -R option for e/draw/B in the old htmls docs and for B in the new docbook docs |
| 17:49.45 | brlcad | rotate and translate something around, add an object, reverse the rotation and you find out it's not reversible |
| 17:50.39 | d-lo | Well thats just operator error/dumbness. Code can't fix that ;) |
| 17:51.00 | ``Erik | *nod* plus the issue when you have something like a bigassed box with a tiny little cylinder sticking way out and the keypoint is off in space instead instead of where you think it 'should' be |
| 17:51.49 | ``Erik | ponders allowing keypoints to be manually selected and saved as attr's to be future default for that comb |
| 17:51.51 | brlcad | d-lo: right, but usability and interface design can seriously make is a non-issue vs a major/subtle cause for confusion and unexpected behavior |
| 17:52.41 | brlcad | yeah, some what to manage keypoints more as more than data values, second-class citizens in the db sense would be good |
| 17:53.15 | brlcad | having things like 'l' and analyze report the keypoints would help, visually showing keypoints, etc |
| 17:53.26 | ``Erik | ooh, here's a good case to screw the 'center of bb' approach, imagine a cylinder with one side slightly cupped (rcc - sph), that'd come out close to the center of the sphere, not the physical object :) |
| 17:54.45 | brlcad | negatives are the worst, the expected keypoint is usually the center of mass on the positive evaluated space |
| 17:54.54 | brlcad | s/mass/volume/ |
| 17:55.39 | ``Erik | and "wait while we run rtweight to find the cm" is probably not tolerable :D |
| 17:55.47 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:57.14 | d-lo | ``Erik: that might mess up a center of mass approach, but not for center of BB. especially if the center of BB is being used for a simple default keypoint for oed. |
| 17:57.15 | ``Erik | out of curiosity, when nurbs is working to satisfaction... will it be 'just another primitive', or are we going to push to be kinda a nurbs only engine (mebbe with construction information stored to allow old style editing)? |
| 17:58.20 | ``Erik | um, bb is computed in a way that it should be close to the union of all primitives in the tree, even if there're subtractions, iirc |
| 17:59.46 | ``Erik | if this prims minX < bb minX, bb minX = this prims minX; ... |
| 17:59.57 | d-lo | so a bounding box is *not* maxX, minX, maxY, minY, max Z, min Z ? |
| 18:00.01 | brlcad | just another primitive |
| 18:00.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33931 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/ (Makefile.am g_qa.xml gqa.xml): the mged command is gqa instead of g_qa, rename accordingly |
| 18:00.15 | brlcad | with a bunch of support to go from csg->nurbs on the fly |
| 18:00.44 | brlcad | so we can still leverage the optimizations and guarantees if there are implicits |
| 18:01.05 | ``Erik | try it out, dave, make a sub comb and do make_bb on it :) |
| 18:01.09 | brlcad | but make it even easier to visualize and analyze anything via the bridge |
| 18:02.18 | ``Erik | aight, I was under the impression that nurbs could represent any geometry we currently have perfectly (within floating point fuzz), so *shrug* was just wondering. it's my day off, my brain ain't fully in gear, nor will it be |
| 18:03.01 | brlcad | does a final distcheck, suggests others that might care about release compilation do so as well for their favored environment |
| 18:04.01 | brlcad | ``Erik: it can for the most part .. it's just wildly more complex to store and deal with than other primitives and about an order of magnitude more data values to represent the same thing |
| 18:04.10 | d-lo | ``Erik: Hrm, just tried it and it performed as expected it to :/ |
| 18:04.26 | brlcad | sphere goes from having about 6 values to over a hundred for a decent approximation |
| 18:04.36 | brlcad | similar for arb8's |
| 18:05.12 | d-lo | ``Erik: ah, I see what you mean now. |
| 18:05.21 | brlcad | instead of 24 values, suddenly becomes about 300 values |
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| 18:23.10 | ``Erik | thought nurbs could do a sphere in 2 patches |
| 18:23.34 | ``Erik | or was it 4 (tetrahedron-like) |
| 18:24.27 | ``Erik | d-lo: how you expect things to work probably isn't how joe blow off the street does :D you're tainted |
| 18:29.56 | d-lo | Well, I think the number of tainted users > number of Joe Blow Off the Streets ;) |
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| 18:47.33 | ``Erik | in the tiny self-selecting community you see here, sure, but there are what, 670,000 known downloads? I'm imagining a fairly large number of those are unvoiced first time users :) |
| 18:54.37 | d-lo | won't mention his script "DownloadMetricPadder.sh" |
| 18:54.43 | d-lo | :D |
| 18:55.55 | d-lo | but you are right, there are prolly alot of first timers that end up shying away :/ |
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| 18:58.51 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: you have a full tcl interp there so that can be used |
| 18:58.56 | ``Erik | tcl sub-expressions |
| 18:59.00 | TC-Rucho | I checked some tcl's docs and according to them, [expr {2*2}] should be fine to include in an input line |
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| 18:59.08 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:59.11 | TC-Rucho | but it keeps telling me error |
| 18:59.19 | brlcad | only caveat is default globbing |
| 18:59.25 | TC-Rucho | mged> in fuck.s rcc 0 0 0 [expr {2*2}] [expr {2*2*2}] 0 5 |
| 18:59.26 | TC-Rucho | Error: extra characters after close-brace |
| 18:59.31 | ``Erik | * will mess up globbing |
| 19:00.03 | brlcad | we have a globbing evaluation mode enabled by default so that things like "draw *.r" will work |
| 19:00.34 | brlcad | which includes character classes, draw [a-z]*.c |
| 19:00.48 | brlcad | so those conflict with tcl evaluation |
| 19:00.54 | TC-Rucho | seems that I should disable globbing to input stuff, but still, is there a more elegant way? |
| 19:00.55 | brlcad | you can have one or the other, default is globbing |
| 19:00.58 | ``Erik | [expr {2\*2}] works, or you can turn off globbing |
| 19:01.05 | brlcad | you can toggle it off with: set glob_compat_mode 0 |
| 19:01.12 | brlcad | or you can escape the globbing chars |
| 19:01.37 | brlcad | in fuck.s rcc 0 0 0 \[expr {2\*2}\] \[expr {2\*2\*\2}\] 0 5 |
| 19:02.11 | TC-Rucho | I think it would be better to scape globbing rather than tcl expressions |
| 19:02.26 | TC-Rucho | like draw \*.r |
| 19:02.34 | TC-Rucho | and keep [expr {2*2}] working |
| 19:02.37 | ``Erik | odd choice of primitive name O.o |
| 19:02.55 | brlcad | probably a 'part' primitive ;) |
| 19:03.12 | brlcad | ah, rcc, guess it's an approximation |
| 19:03.28 | ``Erik | people are more apt to treat the geometry tree like a filesystem than an expression engine *shrug* |
| 19:03.28 | TC-Rucho | ``Erik: heh, that's because this tcl expression thing was getting on my nerves |
| 19:03.45 | TC-Rucho | lol |
| 19:03.58 | TC-Rucho | @brlcad | ah, rcc, guess it's an approximation <--- lol xD |
| 19:04.06 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: it's been oft-discussed, how to get the best of both worlds -- the folks that want globbing would cry bloody murder, and they're the expert modelers |
| 19:04.06 | ``Erik | if you don't use globbing, turn it off, set that to be default in your .mgedrc *shrug* it's all good |
| 19:04.49 | brlcad | those that know how to write tcl can easily just set the var and be done with it |
| 19:05.50 | TC-Rucho | tcl == ugly mix of C and... bash? anyway, we'll have lisp bindings eventually and everything will be good |
| 19:07.03 | ``Erik | I think tcl is older than bash, but it does take cues from the bourne/korn family |
| 19:08.13 | ``Erik | (dang linux weenies, all not knowin' the history of it all :) |
| 19:09.02 | ``Erik | huh, bash precedes tcl by a year, neat :) |
| 19:10.20 | TC-Rucho | (: |
| 19:18.32 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: awesome -- native bindings? |
| 19:18.49 | TC-Rucho | brlcad: hm? |
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| 19:21.06 | TC-Rucho | brlcad: well, my usability goal is to get a lisp repl for mged, so that one can use lisp directly to input commands, math and scripting |
| 19:22.05 | bitminer | While were on the topic of TCL... any one have difficulty building lib Bacon Lettus and Tomato ... libBLT in windows. I am getting error : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _TclInitSubsystems referenced in function _TkConsoleCreate |
| 19:22.30 | bitminer | Need me a BLT right now. |
| 19:22.43 | TC-Rucho | .. bacon, lettus, tomato... that sounds like a salad |
| 19:22.53 | louipc | sandwich |
| 19:23.00 | TC-Rucho | right, sandwitch |
| 19:23.03 | bitminer | It's more like C soup |
| 19:24.01 | brlcad | TC-Rucho: right, but binding to mged commands how? you can bind straight to the lib, through the mged binary (ugh), through a custom interp, etc |
| 19:24.30 | brlcad | would be awesome to have a swig interface to libged so there'd be bindings available in everything they support |
| 19:24.36 | bitminer | it is externed via extern void TclInitSubsystems _ANSI_ARGS_((CONST char *argv0)); in tkConsole.c |
| 19:24.59 | bitminer | wraped in some suspicous #ifdefs |
| 19:25.14 | brlcad | bitminer: hm, you're compiling using the msvc build files or autotools? |
| 19:25.36 | bitminer | Was trying autotools in Cygwin. I have had more luck in msvc |
| 19:25.41 | bitminer | so msvc for now |
| 19:26.00 | TC-Rucho | brlcad: I have not even started with that, what I've said is the 1st global usability goal. I'm just giving my first steps modelling with brlcad (you may have noticed already). Once I know it enough so as to make improvements I'll grab the source and/or make the lisp repl using bindings to libmged or whatever I see fits best |
| 19:26.16 | brlcad | the msvc8 files should be the most up-to-date and are what are used to make releases |
| 19:26.36 | bitminer | I have done some Swig in the past binding C# to C++ in linux allwoing Windforms apps wirtten in windwos to be run in Linux on Mono |
| 19:26.51 | brlcad | the 9 files shouldn't be far behind, the other dir relies on cmake but only compiles the libs |
| 19:27.19 | bitminer | I have noticed that the msvc files only support release |
| 19:27.32 | brlcad | that's a bob-ism |
| 19:27.39 | brlcad | he got tired of managing both |
| 19:27.45 | bitminer | This was one of my first issues and MSVC defaults to debug on start up. I emailed this to the mailing list |
| 19:28.12 | bitminer | bob-ism? |
| 19:28.24 | brlcad | bob, one of the devs |
| 19:28.38 | brlcad | he does a variety of quirky things :) |
| 19:28.40 | bitminer | Ok |
| 19:29.02 | bitminer | Are you using CMake to generate the VS project files? |
| 19:29.04 | brlcad | doesn't talk much, just likes to quietly code |
| 19:29.10 | brlcad | no |
| 19:29.14 | brlcad | though that would be cool |
| 19:29.26 | bitminer | It is a suposed rumored feature of CMake |
| 19:29.33 | brlcad | yes, it is |
| 19:29.45 | brlcad | and it works -- that's the other cmake-based build I mentioned that we have |
| 19:29.52 | brlcad | it just doesn't build everything |
| 19:30.28 | brlcad | our build system is pretty big.. takes many weeks/months to set everything up that we need with any build tool |
| 19:30.37 | bitminer | Ok so I could possibly use Cygwin autotolls or CMake, Windows env Cmake, or Windows env Visual Studio |
| 19:30.58 | ``Erik | hrm, here's a posting claiming that swig doesn't play with lisps (but does with scheme and erlang) |
| 19:31.00 | brlcad | well yes and no, more no than yes |
| 19:31.11 | ``Erik | though uffi/cffi around libged would be neat |
| 19:31.17 | brlcad | bitminer: you can use autotools or the msvc8/msvc9 project files to get a full build |
| 19:31.25 | brlcad | the cmake build files will only build the libraries |
| 19:31.42 | bitminer | Ok got it thanks |
| 19:31.43 | brlcad | we have like two dozen libraries |
| 19:31.48 | brlcad | and over 400 binaries |
| 19:32.22 | bitminer | holy cats |
| 19:32.28 | brlcad | mged is just one of them :) |
| 19:32.46 | brlcad | granted, it's the biggest by far |
| 19:33.03 | d-lo | heh, binary envy. |
| 19:33.23 | brlcad | most of that 400 are unix-style commands that do one thing and are streamable so you can tie them together for much more powerful functionality |
| 19:34.01 | brlcad | ala cat | awk | sed | grep, ours focus on geometry, images, and data file processing |
| 19:34.22 | bitminer | How do they communicate, MPI, sockets, carrier pigions? |
| 19:34.27 | starseeker | unix pipes |
| 19:34.35 | starseeker | bites us when working on Windows though |
| 19:34.40 | brlcad | pipes and sockets |
| 19:34.54 | bitminer | got it |
| 19:35.06 | bitminer | Look a boost for IPC? |
| 19:35.27 | brlcad | the SGI_Cube example on the wiki shows a couple commands being used for image processing/conversion |
| 19:35.43 | brlcad | yeah, I've looked at it before .. what about it? :) |
| 19:35.51 | bitminer | Inter Process Communication (IPC) |
| 19:36.24 | ``Erik | yeah, we know what ipc is... :) |
| 19:36.33 | bitminer | Most of the code looks to be C. What is your take on C++ in this project and Boost C++ and 0x support |
| 19:37.11 | ``Erik | the work in rt^3 is using boost at the moment, and c++ is starting to creep into the codebase :/ |
| 19:37.15 | brlcad | most of the bigger project infrastructure for the new modeling interface is being done in C++ (using boost and stl heavily) |
| 19:37.26 | brlcad | all the new brep/nurbs work is c++ |
| 19:37.43 | bitminer | So it is an option then? |
| 19:38.11 | brlcad | all of our existing core libs are going to stay pure C (libbu, libbn, librt, libwdb, etc) |
| 19:38.21 | brlcad | but new code, it's an option |
| 19:38.37 | bitminer | OK. Will Boost compile on all your platforms? |
| 19:39.10 | brlcad | it's just not cool to be half-assed about it, using little tidbits of C++ throughout a code that is 95% plain C isn't cool |
| 19:39.16 | brlcad | just makes for bad C++ and bad C |
| 19:39.34 | brlcad | yeah, most of boost compile's fine -- at least no issues so far |
| 19:39.55 | bitminer | Yes I can understand wanting to maintain consistency. |
| 19:39.56 | ``Erik | yeah, if someone commits c++ stuff in a .c file, I'll break their kneecaps O.o I'll try to be gentle about kneecap breaking if it's c99 |
| 19:39.58 | ``Erik | :D |
| 19:40.07 | brlcad | the new parametric constraint solving system that madant has been working on is the closest to causing boost to snap, but it's been fine |
| 19:43.52 | brlcad | ponders gsoc projects |
| 19:44.12 | bitminer | Yes I think I read about this using Spirit? GSOC proj? for parametric modeling |
| 19:44.18 | brlcad | yep |
| 19:45.06 | bitminer | Well I'll keep banging on the Win32 build. |
| 19:45.07 | brlcad | ``Erik: irix64 said he has a patch for you to review on his site if you're interested, dunno when he'll be back on |
| 19:45.30 | louipc | hehe he pms me about the patches too |
| 19:45.36 | ``Erik | ok |
| 19:45.38 | brlcad | bitminer: send the error to the devel mailing list, To Bob or whomever ;) |
| 19:45.39 | louipc | but he disappears before I can respond |
| 19:45.46 | ``Erik | I'll keep an eye out for him |
| 19:45.54 | brlcad | sounds like it might be something new -- tcl was just upgraded |
| 19:46.11 | brlcad | might be easier to install activestate's tcl and then just change the linkage to use that instead of building |
| 19:46.18 | bitminer | Ok will do.. There were multiple. I fixed most just stuck on libBLT at the moment. |
| 19:46.22 | brlcad | louipc: really? jeez |
| 19:46.32 | brlcad | louipc: let me know if it gets to be a problem |
| 19:46.41 | louipc | it's all cool |
| 19:46.49 | brlcad | k |
| 19:47.20 | brlcad | starseeker: the tcl folks liked your archer screenie |
| 19:47.33 | ``Erik | he needs a lot of steering and handholding, I'd hate to see his enthusiasm crushed, though :) |
| 19:47.38 | starseeker | oh, the tire wizard? :-) |
| 19:47.43 | brlcad | they (jokingly) said the gui looked dated, referring to ttk updates |
| 19:48.14 | brlcad | but that the tire looked great ;) |
| 19:48.17 | ``Erik | (does ttk mean that aquatk is now a dead-end) |
| 19:48.20 | starseeker | would love to take a stab at using ttk |
| 19:48.27 | brlcad | ``Erik: hardly |
| 19:48.43 | ``Erik | <-- has managed to avoid that entire chunk for the most part |
| 19:49.16 | ``Erik | I made a button in wish once, otherwise I just imitate code already there for my patches and hope I guessed right :) |
| 19:50.22 | starseeker | had to fight the busting of Archer with the lastest tcl/tk as an excuse to take Archer apart and put it back together using ttk widgets |
| 19:50.39 | starseeker | er, fight using it as an excuse |
| 19:54.14 | starseeker | figures Archer is having enough trouble without me messing with it like that ;-) |
| 19:56.51 | starseeker | brlcad: Are you close to tagging for the release? |
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| 20:11.19 | ``Erik | reboots brlcad's new machine again |
| 20:11.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: is that the new bz server? |
| 20:11.51 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 20:12.18 | ``Erik | I'm being aggressive about keeping it bleeding edge until everything is migrated to it, so we have a good launch point |
| 20:12.26 | ``Erik | bleeding stable edge, that is |
| 20:12.35 | starseeker | ah |
| 20:12.51 | starseeker | should migrate his stuff to that one and free up some space |
| 20:13.37 | ``Erik | and it's back up |
| 20:13.57 | starseeker | ``Erik: At some point can you show me how to get to that box? |
| 20:14.00 | ``Erik | looks like it has an 80 gig drive in it |
| 20:14.09 | starseeker | er, well nevermind :-) |
| 20:14.25 | starseeker | will just suck it up and get a terabyte drive |
| 20:14.33 | ``Erik | hm, I don't see you in the passwd file |
| 20:14.41 | d-lo | I thought it was supposed to have >80 |
| 20:15.13 | ``Erik | oh, wait, 120g |
| 20:15.41 | ``Erik | that's odd, there may be an unallocated partition |
| 20:18.35 | ``Erik | aah, reading it wrong, 80g for home |
| 20:18.49 | ``Erik | refers back to where he stated his brain would not be functioning today |
| 20:25.43 | starseeker | was dbbinary the one that got renamed to bo? |
| 20:26.26 | starseeker | checks NEWS |
| 20:29.15 | starseeker | ah, yes |
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| 20:41.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33932 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/ (9 files): Add more MGED docbook man pages by Janine and Cliff |
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| 22:24.34 | TC-Rucho | hey guys, if you like to do inline math just like me and hate that \[expr {mathstuff}\] gay sh*t, you can type in => \[proc unknown args {set ::that \[expr $args\]}\] so you can just do \[mathstuff\] (: |
| 22:25.37 | TC-Rucho | this works by setting the unknown handler to perform an [expr ...] to the screwed up input (math without preceding expr) |
| 22:25.44 | TC-Rucho | hope you like it |
| 22:26.35 | TC-Rucho | note: and desabling globbing it get's even better |
| 22:28.02 | TC-Rucho | brlcad: should I add this to the brlcad-wiki as a tip? |
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| 23:27.50 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 23:28.21 | ``Erik | bar commercials on tv heh |
| 23:28.32 | elite01 | some movie on vlc heh |
| 23:29.04 | ``Erik | I was laughing at the existance of, not just commenting on what I was seeing :D vlc is good stuff, though |
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| 23:33.05 | brlcad | tc-rucho1: hah, that's a really fantastic way to abuse tcl |
| 23:36.21 | brlcad | great hack/tip |
| 23:57.18 | ``Erik | \[mathstuff\] makes me think LaTeX |
| 23:57.55 | ``Erik | that'd be awesome if tcl were kicked to understand tex math mode, one step closer to literate programming :D |
| 23:58.35 | ``Erik | (or generate tex from the tcl) |
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| 00:56.08 | starseeker | reformats his new external hard drive with ext3 |
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| 02:41.33 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33933 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/clone.c mged/clone.c): var doesn't need to be global, make it static |
| 02:41.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33934 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/nirt.c libged/rt.c libged/rtcheck.c mged/rtif.c): these commands that run external tools weren't migrated to libged correctly so that they identify their run-time path correctly. the bu_brlcad_root lookups need to happen on the final argv that is exec'd. |
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| 03:02.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33935 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: refixed run-time tool invocation bug where commands like rt/rtcheck/nirt/vnirt weren't being found unless path was set. this makes them work again regardless of path. |
| 03:02.50 | brlcad | so that fixes the last issue and distcheck passes, so tomorrow i'll tag and post |
| 03:07.07 | tc-rucho | brlcad: glad you liked it. I find tcl much more friendly now. Should this trick be added to the brlcad-wiki? |
| 03:07.54 | tc-rucho | (I ping timeouted some time ago and maybe missed something) |
| 03:20.24 | brlcad | sure, why not |
| 03:20.56 | brlcad | useful tips that help get the job done, perfectly appropriate |
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| 04:09.37 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 04:30.24 | bitminer | DocBookWiki : http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/ |
| 04:44.39 | bitminer | http://www.scrollyourwiki.com/index.php?page=product Wiki -> DocBook translator |
| 04:46.32 | bitminer | http://code.google.com/p/wits-parser/ - Another wiki -> DocBook translator |
| 04:54.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33936 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: It's in there, it has a man page - go ahead and announce coil. |
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| 11:42.28 | d-lo | Mornin all |
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| 12:50.26 | brlcad | yo |
| 13:00.46 | d-lo | yo. |
| 13:00.46 | tc-rucho | hey guys, is there a chamfer/fillet function with some weird name I'm not aware of? |
| 13:00.59 | d-lo | brlcad: Meeting at 1400 FYI |
| 13:01.03 | tc-rucho | or brlcad does not have this feature (yet)? |
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| 13:16.07 | brlcad | d-lo: alrighty |
| 13:17.04 | brlcad | tc-rucho: doesn't have feature edits like those two at the moment |
| 13:20.01 | brlcad | there are some commands that assist, like blending a cylinder, rounding off the end, rounding a box, and a few others, but not specifically chamfer and fillet as feature edits |
| 13:20.12 | brlcad | you have to just apply the negative boolean |
| 13:20.54 | tc-rucho | I would like to know how to do that on this model: http://tc-rucho.homelinux.net/webcam.g |
| 13:21.43 | tc-rucho | I really wonder what was brlcad specifically used for in the 20 years it's been arround |
| 13:22.55 | tc-rucho | I have a hole in a sphere, and want to chamfer that |
| 13:23.17 | tc-rucho | doing it with bolean subtract or intersect would be really rough |
| 13:29.08 | d-lo | you just want the opening in the hole (in the sphere) to have a 45 degree chamfer? |
| 13:30.18 | tc-rucho | d-lo: more or less, actually, rounded edge, but if you check the model I just linked, you will see _why_ this would be a really tough task if only manual boolean operations were used |
| 13:30.34 | tc-rucho | d-lo: just open it and B orbita.c |
| 13:31.13 | tc-rucho | I've already done some chamfer here and there using trc |
| 13:31.40 | tc-rucho | but this case it's different |
| 13:31.58 | tc-rucho | I have decentered holes in a sphere |
| 13:32.09 | tc-rucho | that makes a double-convex edge |
| 13:32.26 | d-lo | hrm, can't hit that addy you linked |
| 13:32.51 | tc-rucho | maybe the dns is screwed up, I'll use the ip instead |
| 13:33.14 | tc-rucho | http://190.191.172.28/webcam.g |
| 13:33.15 | tc-rucho | there |
| 13:33.50 | tc-rucho | d-lo: I recommend you to do a view aet 75 30 0 |
| 13:33.54 | tc-rucho | and render |
| 13:35.23 | tc-rucho | I want to fillet/chamfer the holes in carcaza.c |
| 13:35.44 | tc-rucho | B carcaza.c; rt -M -F0 -w 1669 -n 784 -V 2.128826530612245 -C0/0/50 -P16 -H0 -J0 -l0 |
| 13:35.54 | tc-rucho | that will give you an idea of the problem |
| 13:36.29 | d-lo | thanks, but I have a decent handle on the commands ;) |
| 13:36.37 | tc-rucho | (: |
| 13:36.45 | d-lo | firstly, I need to comment on the tree struct you have going. |
| 13:36.53 | tc-rucho | it sucks, right? |
| 13:37.02 | tc-rucho | first time drawing anything in brlcad |
| 13:37.15 | tc-rucho | so, tell me, what's wrong with it |
| 13:37.18 | d-lo | in order for something to *exist*, it needs to be in a region. |
| 13:37.48 | d-lo | inside carcaza.c, there are two solids that do not belong to a region. This invalidates the csg. |
| 13:38.10 | tc-rucho | o..k..? |
| 13:38.13 | tc-rucho | why? |
| 13:38.36 | tc-rucho | are you telling me I should make combinations of only regions? |
| 13:39.03 | d-lo | thats the simple explaination. Better than what I was typing lol |
| 13:39.29 | d-lo | In order for a primitive to *be* something, it needs to have Material information associated with it. |
| 13:39.43 | d-lo | and the only way for a primitive to get that is to belong to a region. |
| 13:40.30 | d-lo | currently esfera-externa.s and esfera-eterna-menor.s do not belong to a region, so technically they don't exist. |
| 13:41.05 | tc-rucho | ok, and what's all this for? |
| 13:41.20 | d-lo | for valid csg modeling. |
| 13:41.30 | tc-rucho | ok |
| 13:41.33 | tc-rucho | fixes the tree |
| 13:42.00 | tc-rucho | I don't think this helps for the chamfer thing in carcaza.c |
| 13:42.27 | tc-rucho | however, if it will save me troubles in the future, I'll apply it |
| 13:42.42 | d-lo | I would think that carcaza.c should become a region... |
| 13:43.03 | d-lo | ranura-superior.r and ranura-frontal.r should become combinations. |
| 13:43.15 | tc-rucho | why? |
| 13:43.37 | tc-rucho | what I still don't get is why isn't it valid to do bolean operations between regions |
| 13:45.42 | d-lo | Well CSG modeling, in my opinion, is best approached from a Reality perspective. |
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| 13:45.58 | d-lo | if you are going to make a hole in a piece of wood.... |
| 13:46.20 | d-lo | then youwould subtract from that wood |
| 13:47.00 | d-lo | it would be rather silly to make a cyl out of another piece of wood and *then* try to make that cyl become a hole in the wood. |
| 13:47.25 | d-lo | With your model, you have a sphere that you are subtracting various things from it |
| 13:47.45 | d-lo | the sphere exists, but you are using other prims to subtract from it. |
| 13:47.59 | d-lo | I am probably not explaining this very well, lol |
| 13:49.10 | tc-rucho | not really.. that was just to keep track of the objects. See, I'm not very comfortable with having to name every object I create. So in order to keep track of them I group the primitives I intend to use for subtraction |
| 13:49.16 | tc-rucho | or for everything else |
| 13:49.44 | tc-rucho | so I can then do x object and see where does it belong |
| 13:50.03 | tc-rucho | if you have a better way I'd like to hear about it |
| 13:50.28 | tc-rucho | I come from AutoCAD, never named a shit, just modelled |
| 13:50.35 | d-lo | heh :) |
| 13:50.40 | d-lo | whats your email addy? |
| 13:50.45 | tc-rucho | I know, AutoCAD is not CSG |
| 13:51.05 | tc-rucho | d-lo: you are not gonna spam it, right d-: tc.rucho@gmail.com |
| 13:52.23 | tc-rucho | btw, I got to go in about 15 minutes |
| 13:52.38 | d-lo | kk, i will hurry |
| 13:54.08 | bitminer | Back in the ether: posting from yesterday: DocBookWiki : http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/ |
| 13:54.30 | bitminer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.38 | bitminer | http://code.google.com/p/wits-parser/ - Another wiki -> DocBook translator |
| 13:55.16 | bitminer | for thoes interested in wik docbook. I am going to try and install this on my server today. |
| 13:55.51 | d-lo | tc-rucho: the chamfer on that, will indeed, be a tough one ;) |
| 13:56.48 | d-lo | getting a nice smooth one atleast. |
| 13:57.35 | tc-rucho | d-lo: see what I meant (: I did some basic chamfer on camara.r but this was a totally different task |
| 14:02.45 | tc-rucho | I'm checking the .g database format definition in order to see if chamfer/fillet operations could be added without breaking backwards compatibility. Once I figure out how 'ev' works and some other stuff here and there, maybe I'll implement a fillet/chamfer function. Still, I will have to do a lot of research to acomplish that |
| 14:04.18 | tc-rucho | d-lo: shall we continue this later? It's time for me to go, I'll be back in about 5 hours |
| 14:04.22 | d-lo | beveling on an edge like that could be done with BoTs, but then you lose the true roundness |
| 14:04.32 | d-lo | I just emailed you |
| 14:04.45 | d-lo | moved the region levels around a bit and took care of two overlaps. |
| 14:05.19 | d-lo | kk. I might be here :) |
| 14:06.49 | d-lo | to any crypto gurus: If you have the unencrypted data and the encrypted data, is it difficult (or possible) to derive the key used for that encryption? |
| 14:11.58 | brlcad | depends on what cipher was used |
| 14:12.20 | d_rossberg | d-lo: it depends on the encryption algorithm: it is very hard for the usual asymmetric public key algorithms to dereive the secret key (e.g.) |
| 14:12.29 | brlcad | brute force, you search the keyspace encrypting until you match the encrypted |
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| 15:30.07 | ``Erik | *readreadread* |
| 15:30.37 | d-lo | just learn an new word and are excited? |
| 15:30.40 | ``Erik | hm, I get some acne on that webcam model |
| 15:30.51 | d-lo | acne? |
| 15:30.56 | ``Erik | words are for nerds |
| 15:31.02 | ``Erik | yeah, uhm, hold up |
| 15:31.17 | d-lo | you done moving your computers yet? |
| 15:32.32 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/webcam.png |
| 15:32.40 | ``Erik | oh hell no, I have other shit to do :D |
| 15:32.52 | ``Erik | the computers will be the last things |
| 15:33.15 | d-lo | acne = little white dots on the cyl? |
| 15:33.19 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 15:33.29 | d-lo | strange.... |
| 15:33.42 | ``Erik | floating point errors, probably due to having surfaces at the same location instead of slightly offset |
| 15:34.55 | starseeker | grumbles at packages that have to be signed for and heads out |
| 15:35.01 | d-lo | hrm. I didn't see any duplicate geometry when I was looking through it.... so two cyls in the same space could cause that? |
| 15:35.10 | d-lo | starseeker: whats in the packages? |
| 15:35.27 | d-lo | most things I have to sign for are ususaly electronic gadgets |
| 15:35.32 | ``Erik | yeah, among other things |
| 15:36.43 | d-lo | ``Erik: you speak asm? |
| 15:37.07 | ``Erik | um, some flavors |
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| 15:42.50 | ``Erik | if, y'know, you need help on 65xx, 68xx, z80, mips, ... and a little x86 :) |
| 15:43.30 | d-lo | x86 |
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| 15:43.53 | d-lo | I did a 'for dummies' excursion into it a few years back, but i forget things quick :/ |
| 15:44.35 | ``Erik | most of my experience writing that is with 16b segmented or bootstrapping/basics after the a20 gate is enabled and mode set to 32 paged |
| 15:44.47 | ``Erik | (like, after 'grub' hands off control to a kernel) |
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| 16:45.23 | madant | brlcad: is spirit a problem :) ? |
| 17:01.04 | starseeker | d-lo: friggin shirt |
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| 20:01.39 | PrezKennedy | hmm the price of a refurb mac is almost the same as a new mac |
| 20:01.46 | PrezKennedy | i dont think they get how that works |
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| 20:38.16 | ``Erik | hey, irix, I heard you have a patch for review? |
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| 22:02.41 | brlcad | madant: nope other than their own claim that they really stress the compiler's ability to instantiate templates |
| 22:02.54 | brlcad | so it's not very portable to older c++ compilers |
| 22:03.12 | brlcad | but that's a new project so portability to the ancients isn't nearly as important |
| 22:27.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33937 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/gqa.c: Fixed a bug where the code was writing off the end of an array. Also added code to handle arbitrary blank lines and comment lines. |
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| 23:18.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33938 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/coil.c: Tweak ending point z equation in coil. |
| 00:59.03 | ``Erik | installs rsync on the new machines heh |
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| 02:36.46 | ``Erik | yuh oh |
| 02:53.22 | brlcad | mm? |
| 02:55.45 | ``Erik | um, /usr/web is bigger than the new mcahines /usr, I'm making /usr/home/web |
| 02:56.03 | ``Erik | with symlinks, of course |
| 03:05.40 | madant | wonders when 1 PB hard-disks are going to be commonplace |
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| 03:14.01 | ``Erik | yowza, a 9tb sata drive |
| 03:15.55 | ``Erik | form factor sizes may need to go up to get bigger drives it they cant' figure out a way to pack data tighter |
| 03:16.11 | ``Erik | s/it/if/ |
| 04:02.01 | madant | hmm.. but i guess maybe 7 years down the line ;) |
| 04:09.00 | ``Erik | mebbe *shrug* or mebbe we'll find a better medium |
| 04:10.41 | ``Erik | I vagually recall something about a special quartz that used lasers to isolate polarized molecules in a cube, was on a show called "beyond 2000" back in the mid 90's iirc, something like that (a real 3d lattice opposed to ferrous material on a 2d surface) might be that kick |
| 04:13.25 | madant | true .. i mean without a better medium it would be tough to make much more progress they have literally squeezed everything possible out of the present tech :D |
| 04:13.53 | ``Erik | yeah, they've already stood the dipoles on end to pack them tighter heh |
| 04:14.44 | ``Erik | little more intense than painting an iron oxide goop on some mylar and calling it good heh |
| 06:06.28 | starseeker | sees QT 4.5 is out and heads to download it |
| 06:08.20 | starseeker | wonders a little why the file is ".bin" extension... |
| 06:23.15 | starseeker | ah, fancy installer |
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| 12:34.08 | brlcad | owchies |
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| 12:56.08 | Axman6 | BigAToo: knee + desk? |
| 12:56.22 | d-lo | mornin all. |
| 12:57.30 | brlcad | howdy d |
| 12:57.44 | d-lo | brlcad: hows the shoulder? |
| 13:00.38 | brlcad | bout the same |
| 13:00.45 | d-lo | bah suckage. |
| 13:01.00 | d-lo | Just getting up or heading to sleep? ;) |
| 13:55.44 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 13:56.04 | ``Erik | didja take a look at vegastrike, dlo? |
| 13:57.43 | d-lo | no, not yet. Youngest is coming down with a cold (again) and that took most of my evening up :/ |
| 13:57.52 | ``Erik | ah, bummer |
| 13:58.20 | d-lo | Yeah.... its always a precursor to *EVERYONE* getting sick. |
| 13:58.36 | ``Erik | http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/ when you get time, it might be just the thing you're looking for |
| 13:58.53 | d-lo | So its time to swing by the store and get more Vitamin-C and Clorox Wipes. |
| 13:59.32 | ``Erik | hrm, I bought some zinc pills after mike (g) claimed they help, can't make any claim to how effective they are (if at all) though |
| 14:01.35 | d-lo | cool, thanks for the linkage. |
| 14:01.56 | d-lo | Yeah, been trying a few different 'remedies' zinc is among them. |
| 14:04.37 | ``Erik | didn't see a release announcement :/ |
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| 14:10.35 | madant | shoulder ? |
| 14:33.17 | starseeker | has tried vegastrike but never figured it out well enough to start playing it properly |
| 14:34.29 | ``Erik | the default one is very elite-like (a pain to get into) |
| 14:35.01 | ``Erik | um, for some reason, I was thinking it was a wc clone yesterday, I think it may've started as that and changed? I dun 'member no mo' |
| 14:35.33 | ``Erik | mebbe I was looking for a wc and came across it *shrug* |
| 14:35.41 | starseeker | there are mods for it (I think someone did some Star Trek models) |
| 14:35.45 | ``Erik | (wc == wing commander, in case anyone's wondering) |
| 14:35.55 | ``Erik | yeah, the privateer one looks interesting |
| 14:36.15 | brlcad | madant: just a rotator cuff injury I'm working on healing |
| 14:36.17 | starseeker | AFAIK, it's the best open source game of its type |
| 14:36.40 | ``Erik | d-lo has neat ideas for a space game, vs might be a good starting point *shrug* :) |
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| 14:37.35 | starseeker | ooooo - I hadn't looked closely at the Paraview license |
| 14:38.27 | madant | :) get well soon |
| 14:38.31 | starseeker | It looks like it might actually be all BSD or close enough |
| 14:39.05 | brlcad | starseeker: it is the 3-clause bsd |
| 14:39.30 | starseeker | is that the one with the advertising clause? |
| 14:39.36 | brlcad | changed last year iirc |
| 14:39.44 | brlcad | no, that's what it was |
| 14:39.47 | brlcad | the four clause |
| 14:39.50 | starseeker | ah, cooooool |
| 14:40.09 | ``Erik | hm, the bsd weenies tend to call it the 'revised bsd license' |
| 14:40.13 | starseeker | will attempt building the GUI interface code for paraview with QT 4.5 :-) |
| 14:40.14 | ``Erik | :) |
| 14:40.52 | ``Erik | sometimes 'sans advertising clause license', but I haven't heard that one in a while |
| 14:40.58 | brlcad | s/the/a/ their fouth clause had something to do about markings |
| 14:41.05 | brlcad | not advert |
| 14:41.23 | ``Erik | uhm, it was the one that said you had to give credits to the reagents of ucb |
| 14:41.32 | starseeker | Heh - http://www.paraview.org/paraview/img/xm1002.png |
| 14:41.46 | starseeker | Jerry Clarke (US Army Research Laboratory) |
| 14:42.12 | ``Erik | heh, isn't that one of the images in the conf room we use? |
| 14:42.31 | starseeker | might be |
| 14:44.36 | ``Erik | brlcad: I've bee n moving data using tar over a ssh tunnel, because I'm a bad netizen. :) once it's as good as I feel like getting it, I'll let you worry about rsync some. Making rsync work will probably involve mucking with the old system in a way that compromise security O.o (too many files/dirs that aren't world/group readable) |
| 14:47.04 | brlcad | eh, it shouldn't -- the sync it does now runs as root -- just need/want to run as root on the receiving end too so it can reconstitute all of the users/groups/perms/links |
| 14:48.21 | ``Erik | hm, I d'no how to set up a 'server' component, running 'rsync -avz -e ssh erik@bz.bzflag.bz:/some/dir /some/dir' gives me permission issues |
| 14:49.07 | brlcad | right, cause that's "erik" on the receiving end |
| 14:49.10 | ``Erik | since it was first copy, I figured the path of least resistance was good old tar |
| 14:49.18 | ``Erik | root login should be disabled, though |
| 14:49.24 | brlcad | have to open up root ssh for the sync |
| 14:49.25 | ``Erik | and I couldn't figure out how to convince it to sudo |
| 14:49.33 | ``Erik | oh, well, that's the thing I didn't want to do :) |
| 14:50.03 | ``Erik | will make a new account with uid 0 for this |
| 14:50.10 | ``Erik | once the tar copying is over |
| 14:50.14 | brlcad | it's only temporary, and you can push from bz instead of pulling so you only need new server to have root ssh open |
| 14:50.28 | ``Erik | I'd be more apt to make the old server vulnerable than the new one |
| 14:50.29 | ``Erik | :) |
| 14:50.49 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be better |
| 14:51.12 | ``Erik | ok, I thought I was missing something, guess it really is linux grade ugly |
| 14:51.20 | brlcad | there's a way to set up an rsync server on the receiving end too, but don't have experience with that |
| 14:51.57 | ``Erik | yeah, I saw some stuff about setting up stuff in sudoers, but that page left out details on how to actually kick it off |
| 14:52.41 | brlcad | it's very close to tar+ssh, just that it does only as much as it needs, can be throttled down, and be interrupted and pick up where it left off, will do hard link, recreate user/perms, etc |
| 14:53.20 | brlcad | and gives a nice report |
| 14:54.18 | ``Erik | I'm currently doing something like "ssh bz.bzflag.bz 'cd /some/dir ; sudo tar zcf - .' | sudo tar zxvf -" |
| 14:55.08 | ``Erik | the remote sudo is the part that's making rsync unfun :D |
| 14:55.10 | brlcad | nods |
| 14:55.37 | brlcad | you'd have to add the sudoers to make it promptless |
| 14:56.20 | ``Erik | hrm, rsync automatically tries to sudo but fails if prompted? |
| 14:57.52 | brlcad | hm? no rsync just uses the connection method you specify and runs rsync on the remote |
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| 15:00.21 | starseeker | hmm, interesting - plplot is apparently using cmake to build docbook http://plplot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/plplot/trunk/doc/docbook/src/CMakeLists.txt?revision=9044&view=markup |
| 15:00.34 | starseeker | 'course, they're not using fop... |
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| 15:03.14 | starseeker | puts down the fun toys and heads in to get some Real Work done |
| 15:47.04 | ``Erik | (anyone gonna be up for lunch?) |
| 15:48.13 | ``Erik | hrm, I think the bulk of the data may be moved |
| 15:48.44 | ``Erik | aaahhhHHHHHhhhhh, -rsync-path="sudo rsync" ! |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33939 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/gqa.c: |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Modified get_densities_from_database by copying the density data to a character |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: array that is one byte bigger. This larger array gets passed to |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: parse_densities_buffer which writes an EOS in buf[len] to make the code more |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: succinct. |
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| 18:17.39 | ``Erik | rebuilds all of macports on his lappie |
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| 18:26.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33940 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: re-encountered a bug in the X24 interface where it crashes if the image size is small. give a specific test case that provokes the crash (implicitly using /dev/X). |
| 18:30.17 | ``Erik | wonders if a cleanup party shoulda been called for before moving data |
| 18:30.33 | brlcad | nah |
| 18:30.44 | ``Erik | lots of huge tmp dirs |
| 18:30.50 | brlcad | ]the egregious use has been already trimmed |
| 18:31.27 | ``Erik | lots of mp3s O.o |
| 18:32.07 | ``Erik | thinks -v may not've been an optimal flag |
| 18:32.13 | starseeker | could probably get rid of some of the old screenshots, or put them in the gallery... |
| 18:32.24 | ``Erik | how many gigs are you using for those? :D |
| 18:32.37 | starseeker | checks |
| 18:32.47 | ``Erik | bets less than one |
| 18:34.45 | starseeker | hmm - apperently my whole directory is less than 1 gig |
| 18:34.56 | starseeker | all rightie then |
| 18:34.57 | ``Erik | *shrug* if brlcad is ok with the amount of data being moved, *shrug* it's his bandwidth and his dollar |
| 18:35.24 | starseeker | evidently can't help too much anyway, at least in a relative sense |
| 18:35.48 | ``Erik | yeah, I think I'm at 115 megs in my home directory heh |
| 18:36.34 | starseeker | that image file for the earth screenshots is 180 megs |
| 18:36.44 | ``Erik | irrelevant |
| 18:36.58 | starseeker | hates to delete that anyway - NASA may move or remove it at whim |
| 18:37.16 | ``Erik | out of something like 65 gigs to be moved, it's neglegible |
| 18:37.31 | ``Erik | don't worry :) |
| 18:37.52 | starseeker | wow |
| 18:38.14 | starseeker | heh - Multics 1992 tarball is less than that one image |
| 18:38.38 | ``Erik | heh |
| 18:38.41 | ``Erik | y'know |
| 18:38.51 | ``Erik | in '00, I was talking to astronomy students |
| 18:39.29 | ``Erik | they claimed that there was no way that computer imaging would ever be usable, they were still pulling new data off of 50 year old plats |
| 18:39.53 | ``Erik | and now they're using ccd arrays (exactly what I was tlaking about almost ten years ago) to do astronomy.. size grows fast, we need more dataz :D |
| 18:40.02 | starseeker | :-) |
| 18:40.09 | starseeker | wonder if they scanned the old plates |
| 18:40.20 | ``Erik | imagine trying to cope with your image on a '92 machine |
| 18:40.31 | starseeker | winces |
| 18:40.48 | ``Erik | lets see, I BELIEVE around '92, I had a 486dx33 with 4 megs of ram, my buddy had just gotten a 486 that had 8 megs of ram |
| 18:40.48 | starseeker | Yeah, things have really changed |
| 18:40.57 | ``Erik | I was really jealous, he didn't need a special boot disk to run doom2 |
| 18:41.14 | starseeker | is currently trying to download a complete copy of the US Census 2008 Tiger data |
| 18:41.31 | ``Erik | um, don't do it to bz, pls :) |
| 18:41.35 | starseeker | no, no |
| 18:41.43 | starseeker | got a terabyte external hd |
| 18:41.57 | ``Erik | ah, I almost bought a couple tb sata's and a card last nigiht |
| 18:42.00 | starseeker | also have national atlas data on that :-) |
| 18:42.13 | brlcad | this was and interesting hopkins project, basically scan about 1/4 of the sky -- http://www.sdss.jhu.edu/ |
| 18:42.20 | starseeker | Really Good Stuff, and all free. |
| 18:42.45 | ``Erik | shoot, I found an awesome website a month or so ago, lemme try to refind it |
| 18:42.50 | brlcad | the numbers there are a bit old, though to put it into perspective, that was 40TB back around 1996 |
| 18:43.06 | starseeker | holy cow |
| 18:43.44 | starseeker | will probably backup more of public.resource.org too |
| 18:45.00 | starseeker | notes they don't have a torrent for the whole sky survey yet :-) |
| 18:45.32 | ``Erik | feck, can't find it now... was a site where you put in your lat, long, and time, and it shows you hemisphere mapping of the sky with various objects annotated |
| 18:45.33 | ``Erik | :( |
| 18:45.57 | ``Erik | http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/ looks similar, but cruder |
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| 19:14.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33941 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/text.tcl: This fixes bug 2555653. I found only one key combo that produces the bad behavior (i.e. <Control-Key-slash>). |
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| 19:43.34 | starseeker | tries the rtarea patch and blinks at the huge numbers it's spitting back |
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| 20:42.37 | ``Erik | ack, lisp pinkie |
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| 21:42.41 | Ralith | hehe |
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| 22:31.31 | brlcad | starseeker: gave richard rtarea to work on yesterday, might just let him fool with it for a few weeks |
| 23:02.25 | ``Erik | to what end? |
| 23:06.15 | brlcad | get cpa working |
| 23:06.24 | brlcad | and verified |
| 23:06.26 | brlcad | and optional |
| 23:06.54 | brlcad | should be a nice bite-sized project to work on |
| 23:07.02 | ``Erik | erm, cpa? (brainfart moment?) |
| 23:07.10 | brlcad | center of presented area |
| 23:07.15 | ``Erik | ah |
| 23:07.53 | brlcad | then work on options to ignore subobjects or do automatic smoothing to give a biased area |
| 23:07.54 | ``Erik | needs to trick [] into sending () :/ suffering lithp pinky |
| 23:08.26 | ``Erik | for some reason, I was thinking rtedge heh :) |
| 23:24.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33942 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/geometree/GeometryBrowser.tcl: All roads now lead to the same result as far as the -u option to tops is concerned. |
| 23:25.41 | brlcad | -u made it not show _GLOBAL iirc |
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| 06:44.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33943 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/NIST_DENSITIES: |
| 06:44.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Add example _DENSITIES file for gqa using the data available from NIST: |
| 06:44.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/Star/Text/contents.html File can be |
| 06:44.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: expanded from other sources if there is interest, but the primary purpose is to |
| 06:44.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: have a convenient non-trivial example handy for gqa. Needs to be reviewed to |
| 06:44.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: make sure all values are consistent with those on the site, in case of operator |
| 06:44.15 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: error on input. |
| 07:27.04 | astrobear | is brl-cad participating in google summer of code again? |
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| 09:37.27 | brlcad | astrobear: we won't know if we get accepted for a while, but we will probably apply |
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| 11:04.00 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
| 12:27.25 | brlcad | 2lo |
| 12:46.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33944 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/Makefile.am: Bad developer - don't break distcheck. Also, install the densities file somewhere. |
| 12:50.34 | starseeker | wonders if anybody models ceramics in cad |
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| 13:31.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33945 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/bo.xml: Fix the syntax in the bo docs |
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| 13:57.53 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 14:01.43 | ``Erik | ceramics? O.o |
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| 14:43.59 | starseeker | ``Erik: NIST has a database with some density information on ceramic materials |
| 14:44.12 | starseeker | including high temperature superconductors |
| 14:44.54 | starseeker | might be a tad specialized to put in the NIST_DENSITIES file, but hey, why not... |
| 14:45.19 | _sushi_ | is there some default densities file in brl-cad? |
| 14:45.31 | starseeker | Nope |
| 14:46.28 | starseeker | added an example one, but it is not any sort of default |
| 14:47.30 | starseeker | numbers are still subject to change, etc. etc. |
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| 15:42.56 | ``Erik | heh. |
| 15:43.17 | ``Erik | dang fools and your irc logs, all makin' rsync work too hard |
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| 16:34.49 | brlcad | starseeker, ``Erik, et al: make sure all/any publicly visible changes you made are annotated in NEWS |
| 16:35.01 | brlcad | I have all I know of except for a couple from bob still |
| 16:35.30 | starseeker | Uh, doc tweaks |
| 16:35.56 | starseeker | one sec. |
| 16:38.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33946 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Well, it is user visible - corrections to bo man page's description of how the u option is supplied. |
| 16:39.52 | starseeker | does fixing the blathering of the Geometry browser due to using the tops -u command count? |
| 16:40.27 | starseeker | knows, user visible... user actually requested fix... grumble.. |
| 16:42.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33947 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Note correction to Geometry Browser - user won't see continual warnings about tops options any more. |
| 16:43.11 | starseeker | OK, I should be good |
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| 17:34.03 | ``Erik | most of mine are adrt, which I'm not being public about just yet (as none of the public clients ... work) |
| 17:34.33 | ``Erik | yeah, I'm all up to date |
| 17:42.49 | brlcad | k |
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| 19:20.28 | starseeker | brlcad: the scl tarball is just under one meg |
| 19:22.04 | brlcad | really, one "meg"? |
| 19:22.34 | starseeker | 992K |
| 19:22.39 | brlcad | that's surprisingly tiny |
| 19:22.59 | brlcad | smaller than jove |
| 19:23.31 | brlcad | rather, smaller than just about everything except awf, regex, and tnt |
| 19:23.40 | starseeker | this one right? http://www.mel.nist.gov/msidstaff/sauder/SCL.htm |
| 19:26.16 | starseeker | was kinda wondering about the concern about how big it was... |
| 19:30.48 | brlcad | yeah, that's the one |
| 19:31.46 | brlcad | I remembered scl being bigger than that, that express toolkit was small but the class libs were bigger |
| 19:32.58 | brlcad | hm, something's not matching up :) |
| 19:33.08 | brlcad | I just downloaded scl and it was 1.7MB compressed :) |
| 19:33.20 | starseeker | oh, - I recompressed it with gzip |
| 19:33.45 | brlcad | 6.3MB .. okay, that sounds more what I remembered |
| 19:33.54 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:34.52 | brlcad | *fwaps* starseeker |
| 19:35.33 | brlcad | still, that's not too bad, about the size of libz or libpng |
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| 19:37.33 | starseeker | given our use of boost and docbook, along with the possibility of using something like OGRE and/or Qt, I hadn't really thought about it much... |
| 19:38.14 | brlcad | we use a subset of boost |
| 19:38.26 | starseeker | well, OK, but still |
| 19:38.37 | ``Erik | but moving |
| 19:38.38 | brlcad | and ogre is in a diff module |
| 19:40.21 | starseeker | ok, I give up ;-) |
| 19:40.44 | brlcad | more concerned with the default checkout getting unnecessarily increased and muddying up history -- we need it, just don't know how much we need just yet |
| 19:41.11 | starseeker | I take it express itself is the bare minimum? |
| 19:41.24 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:41.32 | brlcad | that's where the size matters, though |
| 19:41.49 | brlcad | it's relatively very small, so fine either way |
| 19:41.57 | brlcad | s/very// |
| 19:42.09 | starseeker | Ah |
| 19:44.05 | starseeker | alrightie - thanks :-) |
| 19:46.49 | starseeker | wants to have all the grunt annoyances out of the way for Dave |
| 19:47.15 | ``Erik | hm, dave was talking about ditching boost as much as possible at one point, iirc |
| 19:47.30 | starseeker | ``Erik: Yeah - libpc also uses it though |
| 20:01.22 | brlcad | ``Erik: he used pieces of boost that weren't exactly fun |
| 20:02.03 | brlcad | used it in a few places that weren't really called for imho too, where we provide interfaces for a simpler form e.g. networking and threading |
| 20:02.27 | brlcad | libpc's is a lot more warranted with the solver subsystem |
| 20:12.44 | brlcad | using boost for the C++0x portions is about as far as I'd use it in most cases with a few exceptions |
| 20:14.11 | ``Erik | *shrug* never dug into stl or boost myself :) |
| 20:19.37 | brlcad | the stl is good stuff, that's one of the best aspects of c++ |
| 20:20.13 | brlcad | basic class library with algorithms, containers, and data types |
| 20:20.27 | brlcad | std::string ftw |
| 20:20.32 | ``Erik | yeah, I saw examples for basic stuff like linked lists, hashtables, etc |
| 20:21.26 | brlcad | yeah, strings and the various containers are the most useful and most used |
| 20:29.56 | starseeker | eyes express - apparently the yacc/bison steps are not optional. Hmm |
| 20:37.27 | starseeker | ah, it's not just the c code - they're doing some tricks. |
| 20:39.25 | starseeker | mutters something under his breath and digs into the configure script |
| 20:54.32 | starseeker | hmm - why con't yacc deal with this?? |
| 20:54.52 | starseeker | brlcad: 64 bit build on linux made it trhough distcheck |
| 20:55.57 | brlcad | if they have a configure script, could just make them a subconfigure |
| 20:58.34 | starseeker | they have a very nonworking configure script |
| 20:59.31 | starseeker | in fact, they've got configure serving as the trigger for the make process |
| 20:59.36 | starseeker | it's loony |
| 21:02.20 | starseeker | looks like the update has the script logic at least running, so I'll try to gronk what's going on there |
| 21:04.27 | starseeker | mutters to himself about convoluted build procedures... |
| 21:33.05 | ``Erik | what convoluted? it's simple, everyone is right and everyone else is wrong. see? easy ;D |
| 22:12.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33948 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 22:12.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: few missing annotations, note that parker fixed a (pretty severe) bug in |
| 22:12.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 'prefix' that caused it to not write out the renamed objects out to disk. this |
| 22:12.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: looks like it was possibly a libged migration oversight, but now fixed. |
| 22:35.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33949 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/text.tcl: This fixes bug 2278235 (i.e. Can't cut-n-paste under Windows). |
| 23:14.45 | starseeker | ah, that's what I messed up... - didn't patch correctly... hmm |
| 23:15.27 | starseeker | maybe the update to the SCL libraries here will work, with some tweaking: http://www.statik.tu-cottbus.de/fileadmin/project_dth/scl/ |
| 23:23.26 | starseeker | ok, that's more promising |
| 23:24.30 | starseeker | brlcad: The NIST file doesn't build, but the updated one just succeeded (with some warnings) |
| 23:24.49 | starseeker | so I was wrong - we can probably do a subconfigure after all |
| 23:45.39 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33950 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/NIST_DENSITIES: Add note that NIST_DENSITIES shouldn't be used for production analysis |
| 00:00.55 | starseeker | brlcad: There we go - this is a combination of the cottbus.de improvements and my own tweaks: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/scl-3.2.tar.gz |
| 00:03.34 | starseeker | I don't know about the make being triggered by configure, but presumably it can be made to do what is needed for a subconfigure |
| 00:03.47 | starseeker | humbly chews on crow... |
| 00:05.47 | ``Erik | chews on his salsbury steak |
| 00:05.50 | ``Erik | I think mine tastes better |
| 00:05.50 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:13.40 | starseeker | probably :-) |
| 00:14.28 | starseeker | wonders if brlcad has tried crow meat on his far reaching culinary adventures |
| 00:14.43 | starseeker | somebody must have tried eating one at some point |
| 00:14.58 | starseeker | woot - builds on linux successfully too |
| 00:34.16 | louipc | I had pidgeon |
| 00:41.00 | starseeker | how was it? |
| 00:41.06 | ``Erik | DOVE MURDERER! |
| 00:52.20 | louipc | oh it was good, tasted like chicken |
| 00:53.05 | louipc | you can probably find it in an authentic chinese restaurant. it might depend on the time of year |
| 01:12.14 | starseeker | ah, there we go |
| 01:12.37 | starseeker | ./configure and make now behave (by default anyway) as expected: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/scl-3.3.tar.gz |
| 01:16.42 | starseeker | makes note to figure out needed targets for install, distclean, etc. and heads home |
| 01:17.17 | ``Erik | looks at the clock and shakes his head |
| 01:17.48 | starseeker | was in one of his frustrated moods today and wanted to get SOMETHING useful done |
| 01:19.08 | ``Erik | productivity is over-rated |
| 01:19.28 | ``Erik | go home before your wench selects other body parts for the pickle-jar, boy :D |
| 01:19.38 | starseeker | winces and logs out |
| 03:21.51 | starseeker | grinds his teeth as the scl bundle that succeeded on OSX and Linux fails immediately on his home box |
| 03:24.39 | louipc | just building? |
| 03:33.41 | starseeker | yeah - the lex scanner is throwing out c code with two statics in it |
| 03:41.43 | starseeker | actually, there are several steps to the final expscan.c |
| 03:48.51 | ``Erik | is the compilation host specific? |
| 03:50.08 | ``Erik | if it's not, I'd argue that it's acceptable to put the compiled .c file output into the repo to avoid the yacc/lex chain |
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| 04:30.37 | starseeker | ``Erik: not sure |
| 06:26.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r33951 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/pcMathGrammar.h: adding various operators to the expression grammar |
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| 09:52.48 | brlcad | woot |
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| 14:21.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33953 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob added centroids and moments of intertia to the gqa command |
| 14:24.38 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33954 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob fixed a handful of smp bugs in gqa where there were critical sections that were not being semaphore-protected. |
| 14:28.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33955 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob make gqa handle reading in density files better. now handles arbitrary blank lines and comment lines. also fixed a bug where it was writing past the end of an array. |
| 14:34.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33956 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 14:34.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: bob fixed doing a copy action on Windows, and doing a paste for any platform. |
| 14:34.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: previously, pasting would wipe out whatever was selected (which would normally |
| 14:34.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: make sense but not for read-only command console selections). this addresses sf |
| 14:34.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: bug 2278235 reported by lbutler (Can't cut-and-paste under Windows) |
| 14:38.50 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33957 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 14:38.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: bob fixed a bug in mged where the last character would end up getting ignored. |
| 14:38.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: the only key combination he found that produced that behavior was a |
| 14:38.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: control-key-slash binding. overriding the binding (to do nothing) fixed the |
| 14:38.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: issue for bob. no word yet from peter_gillissen that reported this bug as sf |
| 14:38.53 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: bug 2555653 (Neglecting last character command-line). |
| 14:39.13 | brlcad | there, that should do it |
| 14:44.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33958 10/brlcad/trunk/ChangeLog: update the changelog with changes since the last release, 2009-02-06. preparing for release 7.14.4 |
| 14:48.18 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33959 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS include/conf/PATCH): bump it! 2009-03-06 is release day for 7.14.4 |
| 15:04.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33960 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/Command.tcl: This applies the same bug fixes that were applied to MGED (i.e. bug #2555653 - the command line has an extra character at the end that is not used and cannot be removed; bug #2278235 - can't cut-n-paste under Windows) |
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| 17:51.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33962 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/setup.c: Fixed typo. |
| 17:53.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33963 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/rtif.c: Modify f_nirt and f_vnirt to strip _mged_ prefix before calling libged. |
| 17:57.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33964 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (mged/setup.c tclscripts/mged/ray.tcl): This fixes the "Pick Edit-Primitive" mode in MGED. |
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| 18:30.56 | brlcad | heh, bears in space |
| 18:39.23 | brlcad | wow. trunk passes distcheck but stable doesn't (from the last release) |
| 18:39.36 | brlcad | sounds like someone didn't follow through! :) |
| 18:39.52 | starseeker | uh oh |
| 18:39.57 | starseeker | did I mess up again? |
| 18:40.11 | brlcad | no worries |
| 18:40.22 | starseeker | what was busted?? |
| 18:40.24 | brlcad | does rtwizard work for you? |
| 18:41.02 | starseeker | hmm - not popping up a window here |
| 18:41.11 | starseeker | oh, there it goes |
| 18:41.18 | brlcad | don't know how extensive, just distcheck for the 7.14.2 stable merge didn't go well (or released with a failing distcheck) .. bunch of regress/mged files missing from the dist |
| 18:41.32 | brlcad | starseeker: oh, that reminds me |
| 18:41.36 | brlcad | specific feature request there |
| 18:41.48 | brlcad | should be a really quick change |
| 18:41.52 | starseeker | sure |
| 18:42.34 | starseeker | blast it, rtwizard is busted |
| 18:42.35 | brlcad | adding a button to rtwizard that saves a shell script of what it would do instead of running the steps |
| 18:42.53 | starseeker | "unrecognized unit type - Unknown_unit |
| 18:43.04 | brlcad | rutroh |
| 18:43.28 | brlcad | archer not working isn't a show-stopper but rtwizard is |
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| 18:45.48 | starseeker | seeks the Wisdom of Bob |
| 18:46.08 | starseeker | It's an error on db load... |
| 18:46.12 | brlcad | try first :) |
| 19:35.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33965 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: update the merge steps to allow for a little more copy-pasting love next time. probably could make this into a script using propsets to track the last merged revision id. something to think about next month. |
| 19:44.01 | starseeker | That's.... really weird |
| 19:45.35 | brlcad | hm, I just ran into the "slow framebuffer" bug, hum. |
| 19:46.47 | starseeker | brlcad: rtwizard does not appear to be busted after all, at least not in the way I was thinking |
| 19:47.13 | starseeker | I was getting Unknown_unit on failure, but I just checked the database and it is an unknown unit |
| 19:47.21 | starseeker | very strange |
| 19:47.31 | starseeker | with a "normal" unit it is working fine |
| 19:47.39 | brlcad | okay, good |
| 19:47.55 | brlcad | was about to just comment that it seems to be working for me here |
| 19:48.00 | brlcad | just aweful slow |
| 19:49.36 | starseeker | probably shouldn't wipe out on Unknown_unit, but I don't suppose it's a common sitution |
| 19:50.25 | brlcad | probably not |
| 19:50.55 | brlcad | i'd say leave it be unless you plan on writing a new wizard rendering interface |
| 19:51.32 | brlcad | someone should do that.. it'd probably end up being the most utilized tool by the analysts |
| 19:53.33 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33966 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: annotate the last-minute injection by bob to fix Pick Edit-Primitive mouse interaction mode. he fixed it so it works again. |
| 19:57.40 | starseeker | is still pissed at himself for somehow messing up on the last release... |
| 19:57.46 | starseeker | somehow this isn't my week |
| 19:57.49 | brlcad | aha, the delay only happens with remote fbserv's |
| 19:58.13 | starseeker | so the question is whether it's the network's fault or fbserv's? |
| 19:58.18 | brlcad | starseeker: heh, it was minor, forget about it |
| 19:58.21 | brlcad | oh, it's fbserv's |
| 19:58.39 | brlcad | there's no reason it can't shovel a 1024x1024 image in an instant |
| 19:58.45 | starseeker | hrm |
| 19:58.49 | brlcad | it's taking 15sec or so |
| 19:58.53 | starseeker | ow |
| 19:59.02 | brlcad | see if you get it: |
| 19:59.04 | starseeker | sounds like a job for Shark |
| 19:59.10 | brlcad | fbserv 1 /dev/X & |
| 19:59.14 | brlcad | oops |
| 19:59.19 | brlcad | fbserv -s1024 1 /dev/X & |
| 19:59.46 | brlcad | rt -F1 -s1024 db/moss.g all.g |
| 20:00.37 | brlcad | nasty |
| 20:00.52 | starseeker | yeah, it's slower no question |
| 20:01.01 | starseeker | hauls out shark |
| 20:03.04 | brlcad | it's all I/O waiting, you'll be hard pressed to find it with shark, but maybe |
| 20:03.32 | starseeker | ah, so more up dtrace's alley? |
| 20:04.04 | brlcad | actually, old-school gprof might help since it has a wallclock counter iirc |
| 20:04.43 | brlcad | you need something that checks wallclock time, not just cputime -- maybe a way to get shark to show system i/o |
| 20:05.16 | brlcad | oh, or maybe better yet |
| 20:05.23 | brlcad | run shark on fbserv |
| 20:05.48 | brlcad | that'll probably say blitting, but should lead to the calls on the server side that are responding |
| 20:06.07 | brlcad | which maybe help point to where on the client, and who's problem it is |
| 20:07.22 | brlcad | yet another option, recompile and/or enable libpkg debugging to see what the chatter looks like |
| 20:08.15 | starseeker | Hmm - profiling fbserv, 50.5% was X24_blit |
| 20:08.34 | brlcad | "that'll probably say blitting" ;) |
| 20:09.02 | starseeker | yep, you were right :-) |
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| 20:11.03 | brlcad | there's probably a way to get at the libpkg debug vars through rt |
| 20:11.55 | brlcad | my suspicion is that it's sending one pixel per packet, and is just busy waiting on the network to send 1024x1024 packets |
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| 20:12.21 | starseeker | what does bu_bitv_clear do? |
| 20:12.26 | brlcad | wow, even rt -i is slow |
| 20:12.33 | brlcad | actually, even slower |
| 20:12.51 | brlcad | bu_bitv_clear() erases a bit vector |
| 20:13.32 | starseeker | ok, part of ray shooting |
| 20:13.43 | brlcad | right |
| 20:13.48 | brlcad | at least, that'd be my guess |
| 20:13.57 | brlcad | several primitives use bit vectors for their book keeping |
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| 20:19.38 | brlcad | with the fb at 1024x1024, any rt -i > -s512 runs dog slow, yet smaller is fine |
| 20:19.56 | brlcad | without -i though, any rt > 600 runs slow, yet 600 is fine |
| 20:20.15 | starseeker | on remote display? |
| 20:20.23 | brlcad | yeah, same fbserv as above example |
| 20:20.42 | brlcad | -i will make it 8x slower |
| 20:20.51 | brlcad | because it's multiple passes |
| 20:22.21 | brlcad | which is fine, I'd expect that -- it's either fbserv's processing, the packetsize/mode from rt, the network transfer itself, or something in libpkg |
| 20:23.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33967 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 20:23.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: was finally able to pin down a reproducible-yet-previously just rumored bug |
| 20:23.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: about 'slow renderings' to some problem with remove fbserv's. Problem minimally |
| 20:23.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: occurs with an fbserv running a /dev/X interface >512 pixels wide for -i or |
| 20:23.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: (more interestingly) >600 without -i. |
| 20:23.50 | starseeker | blinks - profiling of the interactive rt -i results in 46% time spent in ml_set_interrupts_enabled |
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| 20:24.06 | brlcad | gprof? |
| 20:24.20 | brlcad | what's calling that? |
| 20:24.24 | starseeker | shark |
| 20:24.27 | starseeker | not sure yet |
| 20:24.41 | brlcad | click the little arrow |
| 20:25.01 | starseeker | seems to have something to do with semaphore_wait_signal_trap |
| 20:25.18 | brlcad | that'd be thread contention |
| 20:25.20 | brlcad | tests |
| 20:25.33 | starseeker | find_user_regs is the last entry |
| 20:25.39 | starseeker | for that subtree at least |
| 20:25.45 | brlcad | nope, still slow with -P1 |
| 20:26.26 | brlcad | I still suspect it's some buffering packet size issue |
| 20:26.32 | starseeker | yeah, probably |
| 20:26.40 | starseeker | hunts gprof docs |
| 20:27.06 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.30 | brlcad | --enable-profiling |
| 20:27.43 | brlcad | (which just adds the -pg to the right places |
| 20:27.56 | starseeker | ah, build time |
| 20:27.57 | starseeker | k |
| 20:28.15 | brlcad | yeah, complete recompile |
| 20:28.34 | brlcad | then you run the app(s) and they'll leave little gmon.out file turds everywhere |
| 20:28.58 | brlcad | then when you run gprof, it reads the turds and the binary and produces the call tree |
| 20:29.15 | ``Erik | sometimes app.gmon iirc, depends on the os |
| 20:33.15 | starseeker | hrm - is rem_write the remote write command? |
| 20:35.56 | starseeker | If shark's Time Profile (All Thread States) is getting close to wall clock capture, rt is spending virtually all its time in rem_write and fbserve is in libSystem.B.dylib's select, called by fbserve main |
| 20:39.02 | starseeker | is somewhat confused - why would rem_write be slow but pkg_2send be fast? |
| 20:40.00 | starseeker | oh, wait - pkg_2send is the top call |
| 20:40.54 | starseeker | ok, that's odd but makes more sense |
| 20:43.40 | starseeker | brlcad: just curious - are the hardcoded numbers at pkg.c:1103 of any concern? |
| 20:48.27 | starseeker | notices the HAVE_WRITEV flag - nevermind |
| 21:22.16 | brlcad | starseeker: hard-coded numbers are always a concern, but much harder to avoid with networking code |
| 21:22.51 | brlcad | easy enough buck-shot test though |
| 21:23.43 | brlcad | ah, no matter, that's in an else block that isn't reached |
| 21:24.49 | brlcad | finishes reading what starseeker said and realizes you realized that too |
| 21:31.42 | starseeker | gprof has most of the calls going to _pkg_glong, __pkg_inget, and _pkg_gshort |
| 21:31.48 | starseeker | for rt |
| 21:32.28 | starseeker | didn't do a time breakdown though |
| 21:34.18 | starseeker | oh, I see |
| 21:34.39 | brlcad | oh, that is cool .. libpkg debugging is turned on if you just touch a file or set an ENV var |
| 21:36.05 | brlcad | okay, so eliminated that thought -- it is just sending one packet per scanline |
| 21:36.16 | brlcad | not per pixel |
| 21:44.23 | starseeker | sees story about idea of API for congressional data and cheers |
| 21:44.28 | starseeker | has had that idea for quite a while |
| 21:44.38 | starseeker | doubt it will ever happen though |
| 21:49.03 | brlcad | tries for the fifth time to successfully merge without getting a connection abort |
| 21:55.42 | starseeker | interesting - the files generated for the step class library build on the Mac do NOT have the double static instances |
| 21:56.55 | starseeker | wonders what is foobared on his home box this time |
| 21:57.08 | brlcad | user error |
| 21:57.57 | starseeker | for a fully automated build process? Well, maybe, but I don't know that my week has been THAT bad... |
| 21:58.45 | brlcad | there's no such thing as fully automated ;) |
| 21:59.15 | brlcad | ours is "fully automated" for many configurations and we could/do? document it as such, but there are still plenty of configurations that cannot be accounted for |
| 21:59.29 | starseeker | true |
| 21:59.31 | brlcad | a few flags, a few settings |
| 21:59.48 | starseeker | suspects flex/yacc setup is wonky... |
| 22:00.22 | brlcad | usually |
| 22:00.41 | brlcad | that's neat.. breaking on rem_write |
| 22:00.51 | brlcad | c to render one line at a time :) |
| 22:00.53 | starseeker | at least it's working on OSX and Linux here if it comes to that |
| 22:00.55 | brlcad | click click click |
| 22:01.00 | starseeker | heh - cool :-) |
| 22:01.13 | starseeker | are you seeing what I was with performance bottlenecks? |
| 22:01.30 | brlcad | i'm not looking at that, figured you were |
| 22:01.36 | starseeker | ah |
| 22:01.52 | brlcad | no sense doing things twice ;) |
| 22:02.45 | starseeker | heh - well, I'm trying at least. If it's sending one scan line at a time... hmm... |
| 22:04.25 | starseeker | is spoiled by Shark and blinks at gprof's output |
| 22:07.33 | starseeker | brlcad: any idea why gprof isn't giving me any % time? |
| 22:07.49 | starseeker | or rather, possible causes of it not doing so? |
| 22:09.02 | brlcad | it's all in the opts, I don't remember my gprof foo |
| 22:09.22 | brlcad | -F, looks like it |
| 22:10.03 | brlcad | hah, did not know about -E mcount |
| 22:10.10 | brlcad | that would have been useful a few years ago |
| 22:10.16 | brlcad | shakes fist |
| 22:10.22 | starseeker | what is moncount I wonder |
| 22:11.00 | brlcad | some thing |
| 22:11.07 | brlcad | it's their monitor counter |
| 22:11.34 | brlcad | basically it's spending a lot of time in the profiler code itself because of a lot of calls, so it shows up |
| 22:11.40 | starseeker | ah |
| 22:11.44 | brlcad | -E moncount would make it go away |
| 22:11.51 | brlcad | so will -F though, if you use it |
| 22:12.10 | ``Erik | schrödinger's profiler |
| 22:12.43 | brlcad | if this last merge fails, I'm going to give up doing it from yonder busted network |
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| 22:13.25 | brlcad | hugs the stellar bear |
| 22:13.26 | starseeker | usually has to do it in sub-directory merges |
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| 22:14.57 | brlcad | so far, a very clean merge, but the net keeps dropping out |
| 22:15.10 | starseeker | fun |
| 22:15.43 | starseeker | does subdirs to make "bite sized" chunks that can slip between network outages |
| 22:16.10 | starseeker | wonder if they can make the subversion commit routine more robust to network drops somehow... |
| 22:16.52 | brlcad | I'm not sure if doing subdirs will make an impact on what revision sets it will attempt to apply |
| 22:17.05 | starseeker | hmm, that's a point |
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| 03:53.34 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
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| 08:04.34 | joeedh | hi. can brl-cad perform mesh CSG operations, resulting in new meshes? |
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| 13:49.22 | ``Erik_ | joeedh: yes. Fire up mged, build your csg, then do 'facetize' on your region or comb and it should produce a new mesh with the csg evaluated |
| 13:50.05 | joeedh | does it tesselate the geometry? if so, can you make it not do so? |
| 13:50.22 | ``Erik_ | facetize is the command to tesselate |
| 13:51.07 | joeedh | hrm. thanks. |
| 13:51.24 | ``Erik_ | for 'real' (non-triangular) geometry, we do the CSG evaluation at raytrace time |
| 13:52.22 | ``Erik_ | I believe that facetize on a csg tree of meshes will attempt to use the original triangle data unless it doens't make sense (like where the triangles are cut) |
| 13:52.33 | joeedh | oh ok. |
| 13:52.49 | ``Erik_ | of course, if you try to tesselate a mesh, it should just give you that same mesh back... :) |
| 13:53.17 | joeedh | ah well I really meant "triangulate" in this context, my bad. |
| 13:54.06 | ``Erik_ | hm, usually, meshes are considered to be of triangles... in OpenGL and DirectX, if you ask for a quad, it'll actually make you a tristrip or trifan |
| 13:54.42 | joeedh | of course. |
| 13:55.12 | joeedh | but you can still often have polygons in a lot of structures, they just tesselate to triangles as necassary. |
| 13:55.19 | joeedh | ah arbritary polygons I mean |
| 13:55.31 | joeedh | arbitrary* I think is the right spelling |
| 13:56.04 | ``Erik_ | yeah, quad was just a specific example :) it's been a while since I've been in the guts of OGL, but back then a 500 sided polygon would still be reduced to triangles as soon as it was seen |
| 13:56.46 | joeedh | yeah, it uses a triangle fan usually. opengl isn't really smart about tesselation properly, though i think there are better functions in glu. |
| 13:57.04 | ``Erik_ | and, uh, 12 years ago, the cpu used to generate all those coplanar triangles wasn't worth it, so it used to be a speed boost to just use tristrip/trifan or VAR's were fashionable at the time |
| 13:57.30 | joeedh | interesting. |
| 13:58.23 | ``Erik_ | BRL-CAD's interactive display is wireframe with meshes getting every edge drawn, so jump in and experiment, there's useful visual feedback :) if you're looking for code stuff, the meshes are handled by src/librt/primitives/nmg/ |
| 13:59.03 | joeedh | oh thanks. yeah I was just wondering if we could someday use brl-cad's csg code in blender. |
| 13:59.46 | ``Erik_ | ahh, heh, we actually have some .py scripts to talk to blender for certain things :) |
| 14:00.00 | joeedh | really? what sort of scripts? that's interesting. |
| 14:00.21 | ``Erik_ | lemme find a screenie of something |
| 14:00.56 | ``Erik_ | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/stryker_slat.jpg.html |
| 14:01.20 | ``Erik_ | the vehicle was created in BRL-CAD, the flora in blender, and it was rendered using the ADRT/RISE system stashed in BRL-CAD |
| 14:02.00 | joeedh | that's cool |
| 14:02.43 | ``Erik_ | there's also a rendering of a glass cornelius somewhere, and one of the former BRL-CAD developers donated his NURBS code to blender iirc |
| 14:02.45 | joeedh | I heard brl-cad uses a radial-edge brep for some things? |
| 14:03.11 | ``Erik_ | uhm, I don't know, brlcad would be the guy to talk to, hwen he wakes up |
| 14:03.33 | ``Erik_ | I know there're a couple brep primitives, one is old and sucky, and the other is in progress and uses openNURBS |
| 14:04.49 | ``Erik_ | (frankly, I don't even know what "radial edge brep" means) |
| 14:05.15 | joeedh | it's the original non-manifold boundary representation. |
| 14:05.41 | ``Erik_ | *shrug* sorry, I don't know :) |
| 14:06.22 | joeedh | it's not widely known. it's actually fairly difficult to get your hands on a paper about it, even. |
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| 16:01.49 | brlcad | joeedh: mesh CSG ops are available in library form, through brl-cad's librt library |
| 16:02.05 | brlcad | we have a generalized polygonal primitive type (n-manifold geometry) as well as a basic triangle primitive ("bag of triangles" geometry) |
| 16:02.05 | brlcad | was awake, just busy pulling on an oar for hours then munching |
| 16:03.43 | brlcad | joeedh: and it's not hard at all if you know where to look, especially if you have acm and ieee library access or old proceedings for siggraph, solid modeling, CAD, and other journals |
| 16:03.52 | brlcad | (for papers on it) |
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| 20:35.10 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
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| 22:24.16 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob :) |
| 22:24.46 | brlcad | extra quiet day |
| 00:00.26 | joeedh | hi brlcad. so where do you find papers on radial-edge? my friend had to order a paper copy from his university library. I could only find the partial-entity paper, which I had to pay for :/ though that was 2 years ago, I admit. |
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| 06:15.22 | starseeker | wonders if it hurts his geek cred that he's never heard of Watchmen up 'til now |
| 06:37.45 | joeedh | has heard of it, though not good things. |
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| 07:49.21 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, I'm guessing that both bison versions at work being < 2 and mine being 2.41 might explain part of the issue... |
| 08:10.00 | starseeker | brlcad: my bison isn't appending exp_ to its names, even if I add AM_YFLAGS = -p exp_ to the Makefile.am |
| 08:11.44 | starseeker | might hack around it by conditionalizing that one extern command based on whether the exp_ version or the basic version is defined, but that just avoids the problem instead of understanding it |
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| 19:57.51 | starseeker | digs further - it IS adding the prefix, just not to the type definition - just the externed name |
| 19:58.38 | starseeker | eyes the resulting expparse.h and wonders why there is any declaration of an extern with a type resulting from the bison output in a non-bison-produced file |
| 19:58.57 | starseeker | couldn't it just use the expparse.h definition... hmm... |
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| 22:06.04 | starseeker | tars up what he's got for further pondering tomorrow |
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| 00:34.16 | ``Erik_ | :/ |
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| 00:53.00 | bjorkintosh | how's everyone's favorite 3d program? |
| 01:09.41 | brlcad | fantastic |
| 01:17.59 | bjorkintosh | i haven't had much time lately to play around with it, sadly enough. |
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| 05:11.51 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 05:21.50 | bjorkintosh | cadheads? |
| 05:21.54 | bjorkintosh | i'm a bjorkhead. |
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| 10:46.36 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
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| 11:59.51 | brlcad | hola |
| 12:02.18 | d-lo | Mernin. How was the weekend? |
| 12:02.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0380.126.139.247 07http://brlcad.org * r1228 10/wiki/Main_Page: |
| 12:03.41 | brlcad | a good mix of friends, crew, workouts, shows, movies, house projects, and food, but unfortunately not enough code |
| 12:07.46 | d-lo | Still sounds good and productive though! |
| 12:08.02 | brlcad | oh it was |
| 12:08.06 | brlcad | very much |
| 12:08.28 | brlcad | i'm not satisfied if I don't get to code though, no matter how productive |
| 12:10.53 | d-lo | ...hrm, that almost sounds like a inspirational poster =D |
| 12:11.22 | d-lo | just need to paste that text ontop of a picture of an abnoxiously hot supermodel :) |
| 12:15.30 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1229 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Projects */ |
| 12:16.06 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1230 10/wiki/Main_Page: move tutorials up |
| 12:30.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1231 10/wiki/IBME_Main: 'BrlCad' is not valid, reword into to not overstate scope/purpose , reorganize |
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| 12:38.46 | ``Erik__ | heh |
| 12:39.36 | d-lo | better yet, with summer on its way in.... bikini's, chicks, Sean's car and License plate... could make some awesome promo material for the website! |
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| 14:44.15 | starseeker | is glad he didn't try downloading the 2008 US Census Tiger data earlier - 22 Gigs and counting |
| 14:45.52 | d-lo | why would you want that? |
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| 16:48.51 | d-lo | starseeker: Off the phone. Whats up? |
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| 19:29.37 | d-lo | ``Erik: Yummy sightings in E36... are they hitting FNG as well? |
| 19:30.57 | ``Erik | not much yet, but we're preparing |
| 19:32.44 | d-lo | I seriously might consider moving over to fng. Fate leadership is, well, falling apart. Are there any enforced level restrictions with FNG currently? |
| 19:33.05 | ``Erik | not particularly |
| 19:34.02 | d-lo | kewl. |
| 19:34.09 | d-lo | any levi's yet? |
| 19:34.22 | ``Erik | morbo is the boss, uh, peter can get ya in |
| 19:34.36 | ``Erik | um, from yummy? no? there're a few in fng |
| 19:34.57 | ``Erik | heh, I was supposed to be part of a hit today that woulda funded a levi, but it got called due to noise in 33/35 |
| 19:36.25 | d-lo | suckage. |
| 19:37.41 | ``Erik | E36:54:55:21 is yummy's next site, it'd seem |
| 19:37.48 | ``Erik | turtling up in 37 I guess |
| 19:39.12 | d-lo | where you plan on parking your fleets? |
| 19:39.48 | ``Erik | E37:74:31:10 is the sweet spot, I have some parked in 65 as well |
| 19:41.11 | d-lo | is that the muster spot for fng? |
| 19:41.34 | ``Erik | yeah, fo rthe 30's gang, it's a level 10 jg |
| 19:44.29 | d-lo | nice. |
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| 22:42.56 | brlcad | painful .. sync .. taking .. forever |
| 22:43.09 | brlcad | (transfer time, the sync itself was easy) |
| 22:45.13 | ``Erik__ | ? |
| 22:45.33 | brlcad | stable sync |
| 22:45.36 | brlcad | not server |
| 22:45.53 | brlcad | svn commit taking forever |
| 22:46.21 | ``Erik__ | ah |
| 22:46.36 | ``Erik__ | um, the server script is wrong, it'll break the package registry if you try to use it :( |
| 22:48.18 | brlcad | k |
| 22:48.35 | brlcad | you mean for syncing ports? |
| 22:49.14 | ``Erik__ | um, one of the lines is for /var/db, for your mysql and web stuff, but rewrites the /var/db/pkg stuff (which is real bad) |
| 22:49.34 | ``Erik__ | so'z I need to fix that so it's more specific |
| 22:57.14 | brlcad | what are you talking about? |
| 22:57.19 | brlcad | my script, or one you wrote? |
| 22:57.42 | brlcad | mine shouldn't matter (and shouldn't be used for the sync), as it just dumps offsite |
| 23:02.17 | ``Erik__ | mine |
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| 23:02.31 | ``Erik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.38 | ``Erik__ | is fail :) |
| 23:03.15 | brlcad | gotcha |
| 23:03.20 | brlcad | wb Ralith |
| 23:03.29 | Ralith | ty |
| 23:03.44 | Ralith | power flickers are annoying |
| 23:04.08 | brlcad | ups ftw ;) |
| 23:04.14 | Ralith | has been tempted. |
| 23:04.45 | brlcad | tempted?? I consider it a requirement |
| 23:06.19 | brlcad | have seen too many components fried due to bad electricity, fluctuations, (minor) surges, brownouts, .. |
| 23:09.18 | Ralith | really? I thought PSUs generally filtered most of the harmful stuff short of serious surges |
| 23:11.47 | brlcad | heh, psu's are usually what fry the easiest :) |
| 23:12.11 | brlcad | but probably because they get bombarded with crap for so long |
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| 00:31.39 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33969 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (844 files in 82 dirs): merge trunk to STABLE from r33711 to HEAD r33968, syncs rel-7-14-4 candidate |
| 01:22.15 | starseeker | grinds teeth as his efforts at work on the mac flop on gentoo AGAIN |
| 01:39.46 | bjorkintosh | so ... |
| 01:39.56 | bjorkintosh | how comes the mged tutorial is in reverse order? |
| 01:42.43 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: reverse order in what way? |
| 01:43.25 | bjorkintosh | Postscript Version (258 pages, in reverse order). |
| 01:43.48 | bjorkintosh | from this page: http://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/papers/88mged/ |
| 01:43.57 | brlcad | jeez, that's old |
| 01:44.20 | bjorkintosh | indeed. is it not worth reading at all then? |
| 01:44.46 | brlcad | reverse order probably because of some printer that required it to output in-order |
| 01:44.59 | bjorkintosh | 'cause some very kind people in #ghostscript (kens) righted the order! |
| 01:45.01 | bjorkintosh | and emailed it to me. |
| 01:45.11 | bjorkintosh | in both pdf and ps. |
| 01:46.27 | brlcad | you could certainly read it, but realize that it was written in '88 .. 21 years ago |
| 01:46.35 | brlcad | a couple things have changed |
| 01:46.48 | bjorkintosh | what's a good replacement for the document? |
| 01:48.20 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: have you even been to the main website? :) |
| 01:48.25 | bjorkintosh | yes. |
| 01:49.19 | brlcad | then it should be kinda obvious, I'd hope |
| 01:50.30 | bjorkintosh | intro to mged. |
| 01:50.33 | bjorkintosh | indeedy. |
| 01:54.29 | bjorkintosh | deep curiousity... i just had to read it |
| 01:54.42 | bjorkintosh | it was a little too annoying to read it in the reverse order though. |
| 02:31.37 | starseeker | smashes scl into building on gentoo and tars up for testing on the mac... |
| 02:40.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33970 10/brlcad/tags/rel-7-14-4/: |
| 02:40.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: stable merging and testing finally finished, tag 7.14.4 |
| 02:40.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: next time use a faster machine. |
| 02:44.06 | starseeker | brlcad: Are we open for committing again? |
| 02:46.16 | brlcad | not until you see step 14 |
| 02:48.39 | starseeker | k |
| 02:49.26 | bjorkintosh | i got an old book called the art of 3-d design... it's revived all these latent interests again. |
| 02:49.38 | bjorkintosh | i'm going to try to work through it using brl cad |
| 02:50.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33971 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS README include/conf/PATCH): post-release bump revision number to 7.14.5 in anticipation of 7.14.6 |
| 02:57.32 | starseeker | realizes he shouldn't commit this until he has it in a form that won't bust distcheck anyway |
| 02:59.40 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: cool, feel free to share your progress as you work through it |
| 02:59.50 | brlcad | and of course ask away if you have questions |
| 03:00.15 | brlcad | starseeker: indeed |
| 03:00.43 | bjorkintosh | i will. |
| 03:01.01 | bjorkintosh | so far, all the examples from muus's manual have worked. |
| 03:01.23 | bjorkintosh | i'm guessing mged is fully backwards compatible? |
| 03:01.46 | starseeker | not guaranteed, but it's not surprising a lot of it still works |
| 03:02.49 | bjorkintosh | very well then, i shall go through the entire thing and note any broken parts... |
| 03:03.12 | bjorkintosh | i've been skipping the hardware specific content though |
| 03:03.15 | bjorkintosh | so i'm cheating a little. |
| 03:08.14 | brlcad | if you see /dev/sgip, just replace it with /dev/X |
| 03:09.25 | bjorkintosh | okay. |
| 03:10.15 | bjorkintosh | is tcl/tk already in it's 20somethings?! |
| 03:10.20 | bjorkintosh | i'm rather surprised... |
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| 04:33.57 | Ralith | it's pretty old |
| 04:34.04 | Ralith | you can tell by how ugly its widgets are >_> |
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| 11:54.57 | brlcad | Ralith: it actually has a fully revamped look n' feel now (the new ttk widgets) |
| 11:56.15 | brlcad | fully themable widget set, http://wiki.tcl.tk/11075 |
| 12:10.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r33972 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/chgmodel.c: |
| 12:10.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: updated f_qorot() to properly rotate around point,direction related |
| 12:10.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: to BUG "[ 2663014 ] qorot does not rotate around vector". |
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| 13:20.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: changed vertex ordering in mk_rpp() to match new arb8 ordering |
| 13:20.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: this relates to BUG "[ 2663183 ] arb8/rpp vertex order different" |
| 13:28.45 | ``Erik_ | uh |
| 13:29.25 | ``Erik_ | oh, that's keith hah |
| 13:29.37 | d-lo | it lives! i mean, Hey Erik! |
| 13:29.43 | ``Erik_ | yo, dave |
| 13:29.55 | d-lo | hows your new office? |
| 13:30.05 | ``Erik_ | not bad now that the light is off |
| 13:30.08 | ``Erik_ | :D |
| 13:30.35 | ``Erik_ | here, wait, lemme push my sub up against the wall and crank it, ya'll didn't want that whiteboard to stay attached, didja? :D |
| 13:30.37 | ``Erik_ | *duck* |
| 13:31.09 | d-lo | What we need is a McDonalds Style Drive Thru window in our wall. I see no end to the entertainment with that. :) |
| 13:31.13 | ``Erik_ | ooh, I could stand on a desk and push the ceiling tile up and throw shit at ya, too :D awesome |
| 13:31.26 | d-lo | Sub? "You don't have the balls" to do that ;) |
| 13:31.36 | d-lo | Well, not shit, but stuff. |
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| 13:37.21 | piksi | hi, on the brlcad homepage you state that "The solid modeling system is frequently used in a wide range of military, academic, and industrial applications including in the design and analysis of vehicles, mechanical parts, and architecture." |
| 13:37.28 | piksi | are there any examples of brl's usage in architecture? |
| 13:48.11 | piksi | in the quest for a foss bim modeler for architecture i've stumbled upon brl numerous times |
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| 14:03.58 | brlcad | hi pk |
| 14:04.01 | brlcad | er, piksi |
| 14:04.40 | piksi | hi |
| 14:05.11 | brlcad | piksi: you'd stumble upon us mostly becasue we are 'the' (only/main) foss CAD system in production use (that we're aware of, fully foss) |
| 14:05.47 | brlcad | most of our architecture history has been folks modeling buildings that perform loading and structural analyses |
| 14:06.04 | brlcad | like what happens when you explode something near a pillar |
| 14:06.42 | brlcad | alas, not so much bim requirements as modeling for the purpose of running very specific analyses |
| 14:06.54 | brlcad | or for generating basic drawings/visualizations |
| 14:06.58 | piksi | brlcad: yep, i know. there really really aren't any viable realistic cad options in foss apart form brl |
| 14:07.06 | brlcad | nods |
| 14:07.32 | piksi | there's an interest in the architecture field to strive away from autodesk due to their licensing and horrendous reliability |
| 14:07.54 | piksi | and there have been some isolated efforts to develop from architects to architects software |
| 14:08.22 | piksi | i'm just thinking how realistic basis could brl be for a plugin(?) or other framework on top of it for bim/nurbs modelling of buildings |
| 14:08.36 | piksi | as far as i've understood brl understands materials very well? |
| 14:10.45 | brlcad | depends what you mean my "understands", but there is support for material types, region identifiers, arbitrary attributes |
| 14:11.39 | brlcad | our new modeling environment is specifically being designed to (hopefully) be fully plugin-based with modular pieces of functionality that lets us plug in old as well as new features |
| 14:12.06 | brlcad | biggest issue is really just developer manpower -- the user demand is much much greater than the developer capacity |
| 14:12.46 | brlcad | and the few folks (not on our team) that could be devs are either off doing their own project or doing CAD development for their day job |
| 14:13.05 | brlcad | at least, as far as I can tell ;) |
| 14:18.58 | piksi | yeah it's completely understandable :-) |
| 14:19.59 | piksi | i could perhaps get a few developers working on it but the funding would be from architects so the focus would be either on a fork or extensions for architectural bim... |
| 14:33.52 | piksi | so who are funding brl-development right now? |
| 14:34.24 | brlcad | piksi: wouldn't need to be a fork per-se |
| 14:34.44 | piksi | yeah i'm always against forking if it's avoidable :-) |
| 14:34.53 | brlcad | there is plenty of mutual interest/overlap -- the bigger issue just might be how the GUI evolves or how a new one is developed |
| 14:35.43 | brlcad | brl-cad is still heavily funded by ARL |
| 14:36.22 | brlcad | more than half the core devs are paid by or affiliated with the gov't in some fashion |
| 14:38.30 | brlcad | most development, though, happens via simple consensus discussions where design decisions have to be made, only influenced by a developer meritocracy (i.e., those who contribute decide) |
| 14:41.08 | piksi | brlcad: ok |
| 14:41.28 | piksi | yeah the gui is a big issue |
| 14:41.48 | brlcad | if you've not seen this: http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 14:42.40 | brlcad | that's our major project priorities (regardless of funding support, though most of that has major support too) |
| 14:43.26 | brlcad | brep/nurbs support, networked geometry service, enhanced gui, and more open source collaboration |
| 14:44.25 | brlcad | starseeker: tcl/tk aren't creating symlinks/copies -- something is missing from src/other/tcl/unix/Makefile.in and/or tk's too |
| 14:49.21 | piksi | brlcad: there are plenty of ideas for the gui on making architecture efficent which might interest also the funders oand developers of brl |
| 14:50.07 | piksi | because we architects know very well something that isn't usable (due tot the horrendousness of many commercial solutions such as ArchiCAD, AutoCAD ADT etc ;-) |
| 14:51.37 | brlcad | piksi: how much of that is really architecture-specific as it pertains to a gui? |
| 14:52.54 | brlcad | to date, we've intentionally tried to utilize domain-agnostic metaphors so that the package is really generalized to most CAD/solid modeling needs |
| 14:53.20 | brlcad | otherwise we'd gravitate towards CAE and analysis terms that are very niche |
| 14:53.34 | brlcad | (which would be bad imnsho) |
| 14:55.08 | piksi | brlcad: well, autocad architecture (used to be autocad architectural desktop) is a prime example how how bim modelling cannot be glued on top of a pure line/solid cad modeller |
| 14:55.45 | brlcad | for domain-specific terms and metaphors, I'm hoping/intending that the new GUI be modular enough to have "overlays" where you get domain-specific (drafting, CAM, Architecture, electronics, etc) |
| 14:56.05 | brlcad | piksi: you'll have to explain, never used it |
| 14:56.11 | brlcad | nor even seen it |
| 14:56.47 | brlcad | plus, was it a bad design, or bad execution (or both) .. could be a great idea and a horrible implementation |
| 14:57.26 | piksi | yes i'm very much for minimal basic gui with minimal restrictions on modularity (so that the basis of the gui will not restrict modifying it suitable for a certain job) |
| 14:57.29 | piksi | well |
| 14:57.42 | piksi | brlcad: bad design && bad execution :-) |
| 14:57.43 | piksi | but |
| 14:59.18 | piksi | brlcad: autocad ADT was a prime example of how the 30 year old autocad paradigm was so restrictive that it didn't allow for an easily usable bim modeller on top of it. so it had a LOT of redundancies and also counterintuitive actions and in addition many of the tools had different usage logic |
| 14:59.49 | piksi | so a random set of (old) tools worked with a certain logic and a random set of other tools implemented later worked with a completely different logic |
| 15:00.00 | piksi | (and i very much prefer a PROPER CLI in a modeler) |
| 15:00.36 | piksi | i hope this explains something |
| 15:39.49 | starseeker | brlcad: re: tcl/tk - OK, I'll see if I can track it down |
| 15:40.06 | starseeker | grr, I thought I had all the major functional updates |
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| 15:45.03 | starseeker | ah I see it |
| 15:51.04 | starseeker | hmm - no, wait... |
| 15:51.46 | louipc | are there plans for a 7.14.4 tarball? |
| 15:52.48 | starseeker | should be - that's standard |
| 15:52.55 | starseeker | brlcad: want me to take care of that part? |
| 15:53.16 | louipc | ok, just wondering hehe |
| 15:54.08 | louipc | I can pull off of svn, but some other people may not follow releases/tagging as closely |
| 16:05.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33974 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tk/unix/Makefile.in: Re-add change to Makefile.in from revision 30417 |
| 16:10.43 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, that looks like it got it - tk didn't know what SHLIB_SUFFIX was so it's no surprise things weren't working |
| 16:13.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r33975 10/rt^3/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): modification of a combination's tree |
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| 16:35.54 | brlcad | piksi: yeah, that does (I think) :) |
| 16:36.03 | brlcad | sounds quite congruent too |
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| 16:47.25 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33976 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/other/tk/unix/Makefile.in: Add fix for tk unix Makefile.in from trunk rev 33974 to STABLE branch |
| 17:10.53 | starseeker | grr - now yylineno is not found in libexpress |
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| 19:13.28 | ``Erik_ | O.O http://www.edibleapple.com/ifart-developer-makes-40000-in-2-days/ iphone owners seem to have... issues... :D |
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| 19:55.24 | piksi | brlcad: if it's ok with you i'll discuss brl in a meeting soon and ask if there's mutual interest in cooperation/development and then discuss more with you brl developers |
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| 22:08.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33977 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/ (Makefile.am TODO.BREP): additional BREP notes to go with the brep.txt notes as a general work breakdown scratch pad |
| 22:22.00 | brlcad | piksi: sounds great |
| 22:22.07 | brlcad | let me know if you need anything |
| 22:26.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33978 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/TODO.BREP: few more entities and modifiers |
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| 23:23.01 | starseeker | grumble |
| 23:23.22 | starseeker | older bisons don't seem to be generating yylineno, but the new one does |
| 23:27.38 | Ralith | brlcad: cool! What's needed to make that work with mged? |
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| 23:32.20 | Ralith | just Tk 8.5 and some config file somewhere? |
| 23:35.54 | Ralith | looks like it needs to be hardcoded. |
| 23:36.29 | Ralith | and adds a new dependency of tile |
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| 00:55.23 | bjorkintosh | is it possible to run the mged session on one machine and the display on another, remotely? |
| 00:56.34 | bjorkintosh | eg: having mged on asimov and the display portion on acclarke? |
| 01:06.16 | bjorkintosh | fbserv |
| 01:06.18 | bjorkintosh | never mind! |
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| 02:28.35 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 02:43.06 | starseeker | braces himself and starts committing step stuff |
| 04:03.35 | starseeker | is forced to do a retake tomorrow - too much junk that must be cleaned out of the original NIST tarball before it is committed |
| 04:04.37 | bjorkintosh | hmm. |
| 04:04.46 | bjorkintosh | i have fbserv running on an other machine... |
| 04:04.59 | bjorkintosh | is it at all possible to seperate the command window from the graphics window? |
| 04:05.15 | bjorkintosh | so that the graphics window is hosted on the remote machine? |
| 04:06.11 | bjorkintosh | great. a crash. |
| 04:10.07 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: you should be able to display it remotely via simple remote X11 |
| 04:10.18 | brlcad | just set your DISPLAY |
| 04:10.36 | bjorkintosh | i have. but i'd like to have the command window on this machine and the graphics window on the other machine. |
| 04:10.40 | bjorkintosh | is it currently possible? |
| 04:11.04 | brlcad | technically, probably |
| 04:11.14 | brlcad | but not exactly a tested configuration |
| 04:11.22 | bjorkintosh | ah okay. |
| 04:11.25 | bjorkintosh | any hints then? |
| 04:12.01 | brlcad | try "attach remotehost:0" |
| 04:12.17 | brlcad | half-blind stab |
| 04:12.21 | bjorkintosh | in mged? |
| 04:12.23 | bjorkintosh | okay. |
| 04:12.25 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:12.30 | brlcad | in the command window |
| 04:12.51 | brlcad | might not recognize the syntax |
| 04:13.42 | brlcad | ah, nfg |
| 04:14.43 | bjorkintosh | nfg? |
| 04:15.12 | brlcad | ~nfg |
| 04:15.38 | brlcad | ibot: wake up |
| 04:15.39 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 04:15.49 | brlcad | nfg -> no fucking good |
| 04:16.13 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: well, you could set DISPLAY, then run mged -c, attach X |
| 04:16.51 | brlcad | could even run gui and the classic console will still work |
| 04:17.13 | brlcad | aha |
| 04:17.18 | brlcad | "gui remotehost:0" |
| 04:17.45 | brlcad | it'll create both, but should do the trick for arbitrary hosts |
| 04:17.48 | bjorkintosh | mged -c works. |
| 04:18.18 | brlcad | gui is what you wanted |
| 04:18.23 | brlcad | gui -d remotehost:0 |
| 04:20.25 | bjorkintosh | ah i see. |
| 04:20.36 | bjorkintosh | it creats an identical screen on the remote machine. |
| 04:20.45 | bjorkintosh | so i now have two command windows and two graphics windows. |
| 04:20.52 | bjorkintosh | one on this, and the other on the remote machine. |
| 04:20.59 | bjorkintosh | so what's the fbserv bit for then? |
| 04:22.22 | bjorkintosh | hah! this kicks ass. |
| 04:23.50 | brlcad | yeah, and they all work together |
| 04:24.33 | brlcad | so if you really only wanted one command window on hostA and a graphics window on hostB, you'd issue gui for the other and then close the corresponding windows you don't want |
| 04:24.58 | bjorkintosh | aha! |
| 04:25.29 | brlcad | (note, mged will shutdown if you close all the graphics windows) |
| 04:25.55 | bjorkintosh | i now have the image displayed on 2 different screens. :D |
| 04:26.00 | brlcad | if you want no graphics windows, then you go with mged -c and manually run gui |
| 04:26.23 | bjorkintosh | the machine running brlcad has no X, but i have two other ones which do. |
| 04:26.32 | bjorkintosh | and they're both currently showing the image as desired. |
| 04:27.03 | brlcad | fbserv is the framebuffer server -- framebuffers are used for displaying raster images, not for 3D interactive displays (we call those "display managers" or dm's) |
| 04:28.49 | brlcad | the graphics window is technically a display manager plus an overlayed framebuffer server -- you can see how those two interact with each other via the raytrace control panel |
| 04:32.13 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: you said mged crashed earlier -- do you happen to have a bomb log file(s) in your directory? |
| 04:32.33 | brlcad | if you do, please upload to ftp.brlcad.org/incoming via anon ftp |
| 04:32.48 | brlcad | or post it somewhere easily accessible |
| 04:33.31 | bjorkintosh | okay. if it happens again, i'll send it your way. |
| 04:33.40 | bjorkintosh | i deleted it immediately in annoyance. |
| 04:35.31 | brlcad | ah, k |
| 04:41.34 | bjorkintosh | Zzzz. or i won't wake up in the morning. |
| 04:41.36 | bjorkintosh | thanks again. |
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| 10:48.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33979 10/rt^3/tags/gsph0/: Tagged for GeometeryService phase Zero milestone. |
| 11:21.19 | d-lo | huh. Raytracing in DX11: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/31/1423247 |
| 11:46.12 | d-lo | Code Religion question: 'Goto' statement in modern C and C++: Good, Neutral, Evil, and why? |
| 11:49.02 | d-lo | My personal take is: Evil as it leads to spaghetti and can easily be avoided by some re-structuring. What are other people's opinions? |
| 11:59.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33980 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Removal of Boost libraries. Didn't work as well as I would have liked. Die boost, die. |
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| 12:37.17 | brlcad | d-lo: it is neither evil nor non-evil, just one of many tools available (and one often misunderstood/misused) -- whether it's the right tool for the job depends entirely on the situation |
| 12:40.30 | brlcad | it rarely is actually needed and beneficial, but there are some times when a localized goto is better than various alternate restructurings |
| 12:42.20 | brlcad | that said, they are very rarely the best tool |
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| 13:04.01 | d-lo | brlcad: okay cool. I ran across some in rt^3, so i figured I would ask. |
| 13:13.56 | brlcad | d-lo: where at? |
| 13:14.32 | brlcad | ah, I see |
| 13:14.44 | brlcad | all throughout ogre and some of the new code |
| 13:15.34 | d-lo | I am not so much opposed to the stuff in ogre, since its being used as a lib. Just the stuff we have control over. :/ |
| 13:16.42 | brlcad | I see why he's using it, related to the 'exceptions' that libbu can throw with BU_SETJUMP/BU_UNSETJUMP |
| 13:17.18 | d-lo | lack of exp talking here: wouldnt a try/catch/finally work just as well? |
| 13:17.24 | brlcad | it's actually a pretty reasonable use in that place |
| 13:17.25 | brlcad | nope |
| 13:17.55 | brlcad | those are c++ constructs that only work with c++ exceptions, hence the quoted 'exceptions' :) |
| 13:19.49 | brlcad | there is an equivalent logical structure using if/then that could be used -- but it's only arguably better because you're already jumping |
| 13:20.06 | brlcad | jumps are very low-level C |
| 13:20.28 | brlcad | you could implement C++ exceptions using them (and many compilers do/did), for example |
| 13:20.31 | d-lo | hence 'faster' ? |
| 13:20.43 | brlcad | they are .. exceptionally faster |
| 13:20.47 | brlcad | but that's not the reason |
| 13:21.36 | brlcad | they're just one of the ways in C you can achieve a multiple-scope break in logic flow |
| 13:22.00 | d-lo | so its more coding style than anything else? |
| 13:22.22 | brlcad | try/catch/finally are really glorified syntactic setjump/longjump/goto's for that matter |
| 13:22.36 | brlcad | not really coding style -- he's responding to libbu |
| 13:22.42 | brlcad | actually, librt |
| 13:22.59 | brlcad | which will throw a jump on failure for some routines |
| 13:23.20 | brlcad | so he catchs it and returns gracefully |
| 13:23.24 | d-lo | hrm, I will have to look at that deeper sometime soon i suppose.... |
| 13:24.50 | brlcad | quick example: |
| 13:24.52 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.52 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.52 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.52 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.54 | brlcad | END_MARK: |
| 13:24.57 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.24 | brlcad | first pass through, the jump point is set on that if line |
| 13:26.29 | brlcad | and it evaluates false, does the unitize and rt_shootray |
| 13:26.34 | brlcad | if rt_shootray() has a failure, it may jump -- which will return logic back to that if line and it'll evaluate true |
| 13:26.54 | brlcad | at which point it goes to endmark, unsets the jump, and continues on its way |
| 13:27.21 | brlcad | in this particular example, there was nothing important that needed to occur, but could have easily had more after rt_shootray() that would have been important to avoid |
| 13:27.26 | d-lo | cool. Makes sense. :) |
| 13:27.40 | brlcad | you can acheive the same in that particular example with just: |
| 13:27.53 | brlcad | if (!BU_SETJUMP) { |
| 13:27.59 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.59 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.02 | brlcad | } |
| 13:28.06 | brlcad | BU_UNSETJUMP; |
| 13:28.16 | brlcad | but that's specific to that snippet |
| 13:28.42 | brlcad | and arguably less explicit |
| 13:29.03 | brlcad | that's closer to what we do in our own code, though, with the jumps |
| 13:30.08 | d-lo | pretty neat. Has it been benchmarked to an equivilent try/catch? I would be curious as to the results! |
| 13:32.14 | brlcad | you can't use try/catch |
| 13:32.23 | brlcad | they're not c++ exceptions |
| 13:32.37 | d-lo | righto, hence 'equivlent' |
| 13:33.08 | brlcad | that is an equivalent mechanism, what do you mean? |
| 13:33.43 | d-lo | Jumping is a failure recovery mechanism (at least used like this), correct? |
| 13:33.47 | brlcad | if/then vs if/goto? not really much difference performance-wise |
| 13:33.57 | brlcad | sure is |
| 13:34.20 | brlcad | or a roll-back logic redirect |
| 13:34.46 | d-lo | and the above code snippet is trying to call rt_shootray(&ap) all the while ready to catch a failure of that call.... right? |
| 13:34.58 | brlcad | yep |
| 13:35.23 | brlcad | specifically an abnormal failure that is raised by a jump |
| 13:37.15 | d-lo | so, the C++ equivlient would be something like: |
| 13:37.31 | d-lo | try { |
| 13:37.39 | d-lo | VUNITIZE(ap.a_ray.r_dir); |
| 13:37.39 | d-lo | rt_shootray(&ap); |
| 13:37.39 | d-lo | } catch (OmgWtfHappendToRtShootRayException e) { |
| 13:37.39 | d-lo | //stuff |
| 13:37.39 | d-lo | } finally { |
| 13:37.41 | d-lo | //more stuff |
| 13:37.46 | d-lo | } |
| 13:37.48 | brlcad | that would only work if rt_shootray threw c++ exceptions |
| 13:37.53 | d-lo | bah, that paste didn't work. |
| 13:37.55 | brlcad | it doesn't throw c++ exceptions |
| 13:37.59 | brlcad | rt_shootray can't throw a c++ exception because it's not a c++ library |
| 13:38.02 | d-lo | right, i get that. |
| 13:38.47 | brlcad | so it's not an option .. :) |
| 13:38.47 | d-lo | "But if it did", how would the performance compare..... |
| 13:38.52 | brlcad | oh hell |
| 13:38.57 | brlcad | c++ exceptions are absurdly expensive |
| 13:39.03 | brlcad | there have been lots of comparisons |
| 13:39.30 | brlcad | it doesn't really get much cheaper than a jump -- it literally amounts to a one-line jmp assembly instruction usually |
| 13:39.39 | d-lo | kk |
| 13:39.46 | brlcad | c++ exceptions are one to two orders faster |
| 13:40.03 | brlcad | which is why studio has entire compilation modes with c++ exceptions on/off |
| 13:40.04 | d-lo | on a side note, I need to learn asm :/ |
| 13:40.45 | brlcad | runs |
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| 15:50.21 | d-lo | ``Erik__: Heya! |
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| 16:50.01 | ``Erik__ | oi |
| 16:51.14 | d-lo | howdy stranger! |
| 16:52.07 | d-lo | whats new? |
| 16:54.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33981 10/rt^3/trunk/ (69 files in 15 dirs): Removed typedefs from iBMECommon.h. Refactored all .h and .cxx files accordingly. |
| 16:59.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33982 10/brlcad/trunk/ (499 files in 49 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:59.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Begin the process of adding NIST's STEP Class Libraries code to the BRL-CAD |
| 16:59.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: tree. This first commit sets up the build logic for a src/other/step |
| 16:59.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: subconfigure and imports a step tree which is the original NIST STEP 3.2 |
| 16:59.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: release, minus some temporary files and an old file in src/cldai that causes |
| 16:59.14 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: conflicts on case insensitive filesystems. This is not expected to be a |
| 16:59.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: buildable configuration - it is included to preserve the original state of the |
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| 17:39.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33983 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (83 files in 25 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 17:39.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Update STEP code to version from |
| 17:39.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: http://www.statik.tu-cottbus.de/fileadmin/project_dth/scl/ This configuration |
| 17:39.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: is closer to building on many platforms but will need special options to |
| 17:39.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: configure not supplied by default. As this is not the final form the libraries |
| 17:39.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: will take in the BRL-CAD tree no attempt is made to work with this build |
| 17:39.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: structure. One more commit will be needed for a file renaming but after that |
| 17:39.38 | d-lo | go go gadget STEP! |
| 17:41.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33984 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/cldai/sdaiDaObject.cc: Add back in the properly named sdaiDaObject.cc |
| 17:41.52 | starseeker | OK, now the real fun |
| 17:44.07 | starseeker | takes what he has building so far and attemps to make something that won't bust distcheck |
| 17:49.11 | starseeker | debates nuking and re-adding vs. gradually shifting to working... |
| 17:49.52 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r33985 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/clone.c: updated clone command to re-number and work with the naming convention used in 'build_region' tclscript |
| 17:53.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r33986 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/mirror.c: updated rt_mirror to fix bug 2679693, looks like the radius vectors were getting paired wrong in the mirror |
| 18:01.34 | d-lo | ``Erik: You around? |
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| 18:08.20 | d-lo | heh, ``Erik : you having connection problems or what? ;) |
| 18:19.35 | ``Erik_ | always |
| 18:19.56 | d-lo | whats new? |
| 18:21.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33987 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (16 files): Start setting up standard README, COPYING, NEWS, etc. files |
| 18:23.02 | d-lo | ``Erik: When could you sit down and talk to me about specifics of that Lisp web framework? I have the itch to move forward with a web- base game ;) |
| 18:24.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33988 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (arch_template/ bin/): Clear out arch_template and bin |
| 18:24.53 | ``Erik_ | *shrug* I should be in tomorrow, it's an odd thing though |
| 18:25.55 | d-lo | *chuckle* the ucw google search stil makes me laugh :) |
| 18:29.13 | d-lo | might use php though. Which would you recommend for storage sql or flat file? |
| 18:45.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33989 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (80 files in 7 dirs): More inching forward in STEP |
| 18:47.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33990 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/misc/ (. Makefile.am Makefile.defs flawfinder libtool.m4): Add step/misc directory |
| 18:54.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r33991 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/boost/ (996 files in 124 dirs): boost update particularly phoenix |
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| 19:09.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33992 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Add some Makefile.am files to various directories |
| 19:31.01 | brlcad | howdy madant |
| 19:33.10 | brlcad | notes that distcheck is busted |
| 19:33.22 | starseeker | brlcad: I know, I know |
| 19:33.25 | starseeker | working on it ;-) |
| 19:33.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33993 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (123 files in 8 dirs): Merge in most of the changes made thus far. Probably won't build yet as new Makefile.am stuff is untested, but getting close |
| 19:37.04 | brlcad | first commit step should have been to just extra_dist it from src/other or conditionalize it, then work on cleaning up src/other/step/*, then deconditionalize it -- that way it stays working |
| 19:37.27 | starseeker | ok, I'll put that in for now |
| 19:37.55 | brlcad | do you know how to conditionalize it? |
| 19:38.14 | starseeker | sort of |
| 19:40.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33994 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: EXTRA_DIST step for now |
| 19:42.03 | starseeker | that get it for now? |
| 19:44.35 | brlcad | don't know, busy reading what we're going to talk about in 15 min ;) |
| 19:45.19 | brlcad | fyi, though, I have some questions -- like what's up with the stuff deleted -- commit message doesn't say what/why |
| 19:45.41 | brlcad | would have thought clcore was kinda important, for example |
| 19:45.56 | brlcad | unless it's just for the editor |
| 19:47.04 | brlcad | and it looks like build is still busted, you have subconfigure enabled in configure |
| 19:47.10 | brlcad | returns to reading |
| 19:49.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33995 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Disable step subconfigure until it's working |
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| 20:01.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33996 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/Makefile.am: Stuff the other dirs behind EXTRA_DIST for now, and bring them out later if they should be elsewhere. |
| 20:03.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33997 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/TODO.BREP: add a missing important plane specialization of surfaces analogous to lines vs curves |
| 20:37.55 | madant | hi brlcad :) nothing much.. i need to sort out some crappy spirit and phoenix includes.. :) going to sleep now :) |
| 21:30.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33998 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/TODO.BREP: Added few more queries. |
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| 01:20.11 | starseeker | brlcad: If it's r33993, that's just headers and changes to c files |
| 01:33.54 | starseeker | prepares to shift the headers back into their individual directories |
| 01:43.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34000 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (21 files in 2 dirs): Put cldai headers back where they came from |
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| 01:49.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34001 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (22 files in 2 dirs): Put cleditor headers back where they came from |
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| 02:00.24 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34002 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (40 files in 2 dirs): Put clstepcore headers back where they came from |
| 02:04.30 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34003 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (24 files in 2 dirs): Put clutils headers back where they came from |
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| 02:12.30 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, I see that now going back through my commit log mails .. maybe just more headers than I expected or all the 'c's in the names |
| 02:14.55 | brlcad | which is odd.. I swear my svn update said a slew of .cc/.c files |
| 02:15.12 | brlcad | only reason it caught my attention |
| 02:15.19 | brlcad | oh well |
| 02:15.30 | starseeker | brlcad: Now I remember what the issue was - a lot of files assume the .h files ARE all in the same directory |
| 02:15.41 | brlcad | wonders why cruisecontrol still says distcheck is failing |
| 02:15.42 | starseeker | or at least included |
| 02:15.58 | brlcad | how so? |
| 02:16.14 | brlcad | #include "somefilenotinthisdir.h"? |
| 02:16.44 | brlcad | that'd mean their build system was setting the cppflags |
| 02:16.49 | starseeker | mostly #include <somefile.h> |
| 02:17.02 | brlcad | yeah, same thing |
| 02:17.06 | brlcad | just bad style |
| 02:17.37 | starseeker | the build (originally) takes place in a directory called editorCore |
| 02:17.51 | starseeker | looks like they copied a bunch of stuff somewhere to build it |
| 02:17.52 | starseeker | ick |
| 02:18.05 | starseeker | what's the correct solution? |
| 02:18.27 | starseeker | at -I../src/clwhatever to the Makefile.am s? |
| 02:18.32 | starseeker | er s/at/add |
| 02:19.01 | starseeker | or I can change the references to "../clwhatever/file.h" |
| 02:19.07 | brlcad | either to the Makefile.am's or to the configure.ac if it makes sense to be project-wide |
| 02:19.25 | brlcad | nah, I wouldn't recommend that -- ties to the dir structure, which could change |
| 02:20.02 | brlcad | only "clwhatever/file.h" if you wanted to leave everything in include/ and have include/clwhatever |
| 02:20.05 | starseeker | is leary of doing it at the configure.ac level, so am files it is - just libwhatever_la_CXXFLAGS = -I... |
| 02:20.38 | brlcad | given how it looks like scl is organized, Makefile.am sounds like the right approach |
| 02:20.42 | starseeker | brlcad: that might make sense once I figure out which headers are actually intended as "API" headers |
| 02:21.04 | starseeker | takes a stab at it |
| 02:21.14 | brlcad | could 'maybe' have the lower-level C libs be "global" cppflags (ala include/) but wouldnt' matter much |
| 02:21.27 | brlcad | that'd be useful |
| 02:21.52 | brlcad | if you can discern the difference, then the local includes should be identified via #include "./file.h" |
| 02:22.12 | brlcad | so you can distinguish private from public headers on use |
| 02:22.32 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:22.38 | brlcad | and get rid of the <>'s |
| 02:23.20 | brlcad | that should be for finding system headers or nominally for system-"installed" headers |
| 02:24.00 | starseeker | that's what I thought |
| 02:25.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34004 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/clstepcore/Makefile.am: Add includes needed for original header locations in clstepcore |
| 02:26.00 | starseeker | thinks commit 40000 should be a new modeler for BRL-CAD :-) |
| 02:26.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:28.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34005 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/cleditor/Makefile.am: Add includes needed for original header locations in cleditor |
| 02:31.54 | starseeker | OK, that may do it |
| 02:31.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34006 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/cldai/Makefile.am: Add includes needed for original header locations in cldai |
| 02:41.18 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34007 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/exppp/Makefile.am: Whoops - fix noinst_HEADERS in exppp |
| 02:50.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34008 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/clstepcore/Makefile.am: Add the clstepcore headers to Makefile.am as noinst for now. |
| 03:21.54 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 03:25.30 | bjorkintosh | ah it's the 'hello, cadheads' bot. |
| 03:34.07 | yukonbob | ah, it's the "ah it's the 'hello, cadheads' bot." bot |
| 03:36.10 | bjorkintosh | it is none other but i. |
| 03:36.12 | bjorkintosh | bows. |
| 03:37.23 | brlcad | waves |
| 03:37.51 | yukonbob | evening bjorkintosh, brlcad |
| 03:37.52 | bjorkintosh | i'm now setting up a 4th machine to gui -d host:0 on :D |
| 03:37.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:38.05 | yukonbob | checks in from Airport -- free wifi, yay!!1 |
| 03:38.13 | yukonbob | *airport |
| 03:38.14 | bjorkintosh | it's teh AW3S0M3! |
| 03:42.38 | yukonbob | what's new, brlcad ? |
| 03:43.25 | brlcad | documented brep planning, new dev making awesomeness happen, new release |
| 03:43.45 | brlcad | contentedly wanders off for a bit |
| 03:44.55 | yukonbob | checks page for release details... |
| 03:47.26 | yukonbob | updates svn |
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| 08:56.19 | brlcad | morning d_rossberg |
| 08:56.51 | d_rossberg | morning brlcad |
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| 10:28.46 | d-lo | mornin all! |
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| 11:29.34 | brlcad | howdy d-lo |
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| 11:30.43 | d-lo | is reading up on the use of /dev/poll for IO multiplexing. Purty neat akshually. |
| 11:34.03 | brlcad | creative, but very non-portable |
| 11:34.11 | d-lo | yeah I know :/ |
| 11:34.14 | d-lo | still neat :) |
| 11:34.18 | d-lo | good brain food. |
| 11:34.26 | brlcad | nods |
| 11:34.46 | d-lo | besides, who needs windows support. pffft. |
| 11:34.48 | brlcad | old sysvism |
| 11:34.50 | d-lo | =D |
| 11:34.52 | brlcad | not just windows |
| 11:34.58 | brlcad | that's not even portable across various unices |
| 11:35.44 | brlcad | it's a relatively new/old sysv construct |
| 11:36.14 | brlcad | old sysv systems are like old at&t unix (which I don't think had a /dev/poll, but was sysv nonetheless) |
| 11:36.39 | brlcad | linux adopted some sysv, most distros probably include it |
| 11:36.41 | brlcad | and solaris |
| 11:37.00 | brlcad | but no bsds, no mac, no hp, maybe aix, etc |
| 11:37.29 | brlcad | and flaky across various versions of those that do support it |
| 11:38.21 | d-lo | heh, 'flaky'... is that a technical term? :) |
| 11:38.33 | brlcad | yep |
| 11:38.56 | brlcad | there are lots of flakey interfaces when it comes to communication |
| 11:41.16 | brlcad | that's what makes interfaces like libpkg that are well tested and robust to environments/platforms/events/conditions very useful |
| 11:41.46 | d-lo | question on libpkg: how well does it handle multiple connections? |
| 11:42.42 | brlcad | handles them just fine |
| 11:42.45 | brlcad | it's point to point client-server based, so you do what you want with the descriptor |
| 11:43.37 | brlcad | it pushes most of the logic up into the application layer |
| 11:43.43 | d-lo | poorly worded question :) I ment to ask: Is there any utility in libpkg for managing multiple connections at once? |
| 11:45.28 | brlcad | what do you mean by managing them? it doesn't really manage the connection, that's the app's job -- it just establishes a point to point and you do with that as you please |
| 11:45.39 | brlcad | from there you can build up pretty much any network infrastructure |
| 11:46.04 | d-lo | kk, thats what I thought. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything obvious.... |
| 11:46.05 | brlcad | be that a token-ring, simple client-server, peer to peer shared, whatever |
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| 11:48.36 | d-lo | cool. subject change: I would like to revisit our discussion about how the .g data in the svn is going to be stored |
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| 11:50.33 | d-lo | I cannot remember what we desided was the best amount of geometry to include in a single .g file: A comb, A region, or a single Prim.... |
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| 11:52.23 | brlcad | per object |
| 11:53.00 | d-lo | okay, 1 .g contains a single db object. And the actual file names were going to be the UUID ? |
| 11:54.16 | brlcad | a single db object sans _GLOBAL even |
| 11:54.53 | brlcad | which might take a few minor back-end changes to make sure it doesn't stub them in |
| 11:56.55 | brlcad | what names become an effective mapping will be probably need to be heavily tied to a given backend storage manager that decides how to map a request to a storage mechanism |
| 11:59.59 | d-lo | hrm, I had no idea that subversion REQUIRES Apache Portable Runtime... I was under the assumption that it could be built without it. |
| 12:00.02 | d-lo | :/ |
| 12:00.23 | brlcad | using uuid is maybe what it'll end up needing to be, but the danger there will be ending up needing to perform some O(n) lookup for every object name, table of content inconsistency problems, etc |
| 12:00.51 | brlcad | lots of codes use apr, sort of like our libbu |
| 12:01.07 | d-lo | could you explain '0(n)' ...i don't understand that. |
| 12:01.22 | brlcad | basically a linear lookup cost |
| 12:01.33 | brlcad | the complexity of a given action |
| 12:01.46 | brlcad | ideally you want O(1), constant cost |
| 12:01.58 | d-lo | ah, i c. |
| 12:01.59 | d-lo | thanks |
| 12:02.13 | brlcad | i.e., if i ask for X, it takes you exactly "one step" to give me X |
| 12:03.14 | brlcad | if you have to even look down a list for X, that becomes O(n) linear time, or possibly O(logn) or O(nlogn) if you use some hierarchical container or hashes |
| 12:03.55 | brlcad | the easiest first step is to probably just directly map a .g to a scoped context, i.e. a directory |
| 12:04.25 | brlcad | with each object in the .g mapping to a file in that dir with the name being the name of that object from the .g |
| 12:04.35 | brlcad | that would maintain O(1) |
| 12:05.22 | d-lo | so.... one 'master' .g that knows the location of all other data? |
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| 12:07.05 | brlcad | not exactly, it amounts to how many problems are you trying to solve next |
| 12:07.30 | d-lo | you've got me 99% confused now. |
| 12:07.39 | brlcad | first step was deliver a .g when someone asks for a .g, right? |
| 12:08.04 | brlcad | i'm saying next step would be to deliver a sub portion of a .g when someone asks for it |
| 12:08.06 | d-lo | correct |
| 12:08.29 | d-lo | so then they would supply a filename and an objectname or would filename be assumed? |
| 12:08.56 | brlcad | i'd turn it into a path request right away since that's already implied |
| 12:09.24 | brlcad | first allowed was whatever://localhost/file.g |
| 12:09.33 | brlcad | now you'd be allowing whatever://localhost/file.g/object |
| 12:10.20 | d-lo | feck, now i have to get and build openSSL for APR :/ |
| 12:10.26 | d-lo | okay I understand now. |
| 12:11.03 | brlcad | you wouldn't even have to break up the .g files yet to make that work if you didn't want to, and have the storage manager do the object lookup with a folder filled with .g files |
| 12:11.39 | brlcad | then next step might be to have a storage manager that turns the .g files into dirs and has a .g per object in each of the various .g subdirs |
| 12:11.46 | d-lo | Question: If no other data bout 'object' is known except the path to it, how will the GS get a handle on it without walking the tree? (aka, deviating from linear time?) |
| 12:12.55 | brlcad | that last step I mentioned returns it to linear time |
| 12:13.04 | brlcad | er sorry, constant time |
| 12:13.19 | brlcad | as path would map to file/data |
| 12:15.22 | brlcad | note that an object-scoped request, like //localhost/file.g/path/to/object is still constant -- it just means load three objects (path, object, and to) in the file.g context |
| 12:16.13 | brlcad | that'd be interesting actually |
| 12:17.42 | brlcad | broken out per file like that into dirs, it could conceivably outperform current single-file accessat least the asymptotic complexity is less on paper |
| 12:18.36 | brlcad | just bigger constants (multiple file and operating system overhead) |
| 12:19.12 | d-lo | so are you saying have less .g files that are 'higher' in the heirarchy or more .g files 'lower' in the heirarchy? *confused* |
| 12:20.21 | starseeker | d-lo: heck with subversion, build on top of git ;-) |
| 12:20.22 | brlcad | that turning a dir filled with .g's into a dir of dirs filled with per-object-g's could conceivably outperform |
| 12:20.34 | brlcad | git doesn't have libs |
| 12:20.41 | brlcad | and isn't portable |
| 12:20.48 | starseeker | reflects that a power outage is a great way to interrupt a hacking session |
| 12:21.56 | d-lo | Okay, so, instead of a single dir with a bajillion .g's in it, organize it into a heirarchy of dirs with the .g's sitting at the 'bottom' of the heirarchy? |
| 12:22.09 | starseeker | brlcad: very true |
| 12:22.13 | starseeker | blegh |
| 12:22.42 | starseeker | checks on openssl's license - thought it was weird |
| 12:23.40 | d-lo | just read it... don't think it will be a problem. |
| 12:24.11 | starseeker | yeah, looks OK |
| 12:24.18 | starseeker | checks APR |
| 12:24.59 | d-lo | besides, svn requires libserf which requires openSSL.... so, if anything in this stupid req tree precludes us from using it, we might have a problem :/ |
| 12:25.13 | brlcad | d-lo: I wouldn't start with a hierarchy of dirs, just a single scope |
| 12:25.58 | starseeker | d-lo: Right. I just thought we should check since my original understanding was that the long term goal is to have a geometry server in every install of BRL-CAD |
| 12:26.38 | brlcad | having a hierarchy adds additional complexity not yet needed -- not clear that's what we'd want to end up with down the road |
| 12:27.08 | brlcad | maybe it is, but hard to say until that feature is being addressed because it gets nasty when things are no longer at a fixed depth in the hierarchy |
| 12:27.12 | starseeker | hmm - APR is Apache License 2.0 |
| 12:28.07 | brlcad | apache license is fine |
| 12:28.23 | brlcad | it's basically a more verbose bsd license |
| 12:28.33 | d-lo | LGPL = Library General Public License? |
| 12:28.51 | starseeker | Ah. Is this the one that was GPL incompatible because of the patent thing? |
| 12:28.55 | brlcad | ~lgpl |
| 12:28.56 | ibot | hmm... lgpl is the Lesser General Public License, see http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.txt or http://www.fsf.org/licenses/lgpl.txt |
| 12:29.15 | brlcad | used to be library, but fsf changed it to be lesser to try to get more folks to use gpl |
| 12:29.47 | d-lo | ah, okay. Then the license for 'neon' is okay. |
| 12:30.22 | brlcad | is that what they use? |
| 12:30.51 | brlcad | when I surveyed them a couple years ago, everything in svn and needed by svn was fine license-wise |
| 12:31.40 | d-lo | yeah, neon = Library GPL |
| 12:32.20 | brlcad | note that's just what they call it :) |
| 12:32.31 | brlcad | lots of folks were pissed by fsf trying that |
| 12:32.33 | d-lo | well, I am going to double check since the dependancy chain is getting bigger than I expected :/ |
| 12:32.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34009 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/conf/ (. MAJOR MINOR PATCH): Ahem - as I was trying to do before the power went out, add in conf so step configure has some version numbers to work with. |
| 12:33.03 | brlcad | it's just manipulative, trying to coerce based on the name implications |
| 12:33.17 | starseeker | FSF is famous for being manipulative |
| 12:33.29 | d-lo | right :) I learned quickly to not trust the names, but, rather, read the fine print. |
| 12:33.32 | starseeker | to be fair, they are open about having a political agenda to push |
| 12:33.52 | brlcad | d-lo: question earlier, perhaps lost during the irc reconnect -- curious why you asked whether pkg managed connections? |
| 12:34.09 | starseeker | still steers clear of the GNU Free Documentation License - that was a real let-down |
| 12:34.11 | d-lo | I will need someone to sit down and show me more about the build system, aka subbuilds and the NODIST stuff. |
| 12:35.06 | d-lo | brlcad: I asked that because i couldn't remember if libpkg did the managing or not. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something important and running off to re-invent the wheel. |
| 12:38.44 | brlcad | d-lo: brlcad/src/fbserv/fbserv.c is an example how the framebuffer server handles multiple requests |
| 12:38.49 | brlcad | just keeps the clients in an array |
| 12:38.54 | brlcad | simple easy to grok |
| 12:39.42 | brlcad | support interleaved requests and updates |
| 12:39.42 | brlcad | just a few lines of code |
| 12:40.51 | brlcad | follow the "clients" keyword and it should be relatively obviously |
| 12:45.21 | d-lo | pretty sexy. |
| 12:46.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34010 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add in some more headers to scl Makefile.ams |
| 12:48.14 | brlcad | starseeker: when you get the chance, maybe try a distcheck on a fresh checkout -- still getting failure notices since the addition |
| 12:49.25 | brlcad | and yeah, I know -- I don't know why either, should be okay .. but it's not at least accordingly to cruisecontrol |
| 12:49.36 | brlcad | and can't get to log just yet |
| 12:54.30 | brlcad | hah, cute: http://www.compasslearningodyssey.com/sample_act/math3_4/MA3CA05a-package_preloader.swf |
| 12:54.44 | brlcad | could do something similar for the brl-cad primitives! |
| 12:55.29 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, will do |
| 13:01.39 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34011 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Oh, yeah - those include links shouldn't assume in-source build |
| 13:02.17 | starseeker | starts distcheck running and starts prepping for the road... |
| 13:06.03 | ``Erik_ | *readreadread* |
| 13:06.39 | d-lo | eh? |
| 13:07.36 | brlcad | means he's reading the backlog |
| 13:08.37 | d-lo | guess I am not as fluent in l33tsp34k as I thought :/ |
| 13:10.30 | ``Erik_ | z0mfglolf34d|ngl0gz0rz |
| 13:10.53 | ``Erik_ | sorry, fit of geek tourettes there O:-) |
| 13:10.54 | brlcad | lolomfgponies! |
| 13:11.08 | ``Erik_ | l0llerk0pt0r |
| 13:11.59 | ``Erik_ | um, direct link to a file doesn't guarantee O(1), some fs's are not constant in resolving the file name to the initial inode |
| 13:12.07 | d-lo | l0ll3rsk8t3s |
| 13:12.30 | brlcad | ``Erik_: O(1) to the app's logic, that's all we control |
| 13:12.35 | ``Erik_ | (they tend to be damn fast, but I had a directory with ~17k files and getting the file handle took several seconds) |
| 13:13.09 | brlcad | just not from a global view, sure |
| 13:13.43 | d-lo | question: Does a linker error of: lib/libz.a(crc32.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 13:13.53 | d-lo | tell me that its a 32 bit lib? |
| 13:13.55 | ``Erik_ | *shrug* I argue that it's important to understand and consider the limits of the OS and hw, too, but *shrug* :) |
| 13:14.30 | brlcad | d-lo: not necessarily |
| 13:14.50 | brlcad | ``Erik_: uhm, I'd generally think that goes without saying? |
| 13:14.51 | ``Erik_ | -fPIC instructs it to make position independant code, required for a shared object |
| 13:15.26 | brlcad | mostly because it ends up with a lot of navel gazing and speculative jabber that isn't productive |
| 13:16.08 | ``Erik_ | heh, 'cept I've seen it come back to bite projects that worry about squeezing performance |
| 13:16.19 | brlcad | so? |
| 13:16.32 | brlcad | "bad things can happen" |
| 13:16.39 | brlcad | i don't find that surprising |
| 13:16.53 | d-lo | -fPIC is a compiler flag? |
| 13:16.57 | brlcad | yes |
| 13:17.06 | d-lo | kk danke |
| 13:17.31 | brlcad | you shouldn't have to add it on your code, though -- libtool handles that |
| 13:17.42 | ``Erik_ | *shrug* just admitting that is taking it into consideration, knowing how to cope with it is understanding those limits, otherwise you have stupid code and people blaming the wrong things |
| 13:17.58 | d-lo | hrm, well I am following the install directions to the letter and its giving me that error |
| 13:18.35 | brlcad | ``Erik_: this is exactly the kind of speculative jabber that I mean, though -- it's not solving an actual problem |
| 13:18.37 | ``Erik_ | all those #include "../something" lines in teh step stuff, hope that doesn't mess up too much |
| 13:19.13 | brlcad | if we implemented ours via a given O(1) approach, and found an OS problem, that would be an actual then that could be looked into |
| 13:19.29 | ``Erik_ | <-- just trying to get his brain back into gear :) |
| 13:22.13 | d-lo | and stay out! |
| 13:22.19 | d-lo | =D |
| 13:23.08 | ``Erik | heh |
| 13:41.57 | starseeker | forgot how long a distcheck takes on this machine :/ |
| 13:44.46 | brlcad | distcheck -j# will work |
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| 13:50.21 | starseeker | only has 2 cpus and they both seem to be working :-( |
| 13:50.47 | starseeker | will probably upgrade in a year or two... |
| 13:50.54 | starseeker | tis getting slow |
| 13:51.20 | brlcad | my trusty old box takes a couple hours to distcheck now |
| 13:51.29 | brlcad | used to be about an hour before opennurbs :) |
| 13:52.43 | starseeker | heh |
| 13:53.06 | starseeker | yeah, the two sure ways to crush my box into performance hell are compiling KDE and compiling Openoffice |
| 13:53.57 | starseeker | blinks |
| 13:54.10 | starseeker | distcheck just passed on my machine: brlcad-7.14.5 archives ready for distribution |
| 13:59.04 | starseeker | will try again when he gets in |
| 14:05.34 | brlcad | starseeker: huh |
| 14:06.24 | brlcad | starseeker: then maybe it's something wrong with the cruisecontrol script that needs to get fixed |
| 14:07.11 | brlcad | maybe just needs another configure.ac update or something to make it reautogen |
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| 14:26.29 | d-lo | I just priced a Quad 3GHz AMD with 4GB 1033MHz ram on a MB with onboard nVidia 9600 and 8 channel audio machine (no case) for about $350 if you DIY |
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| 15:26.13 | madant | hates namespaces |
| 15:26.43 | namespaces | hates madant. |
| 15:26.49 | madant | :P |
| 15:26.53 | d-lo | =D |
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| 16:05.06 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34013 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/boost/ (8 files in 4 dirs): another boost update: spirit and phoenix related |
| 16:10.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34014 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (7 files): |
| 16:10.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: modifications for the usage of boost::spirit namespace instead of |
| 16:10.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: boost::spirit::classic, generic includes added to be replaced with the specific |
| 16:10.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: header files for the pertinent spirit and phoenix functions; also code syntax |
| 16:10.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: corrections in pcMathGrammar, pcMathLF and pcMathVM |
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| 17:16.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34017 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (configure.ac include/Makefile.am include/conf/Makefile.am): Few more fixes for step build system |
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| 18:05.32 | rahul_cool | hiiiii all |
| 18:06.17 | rahul_cool | i wanna take part in gsoc 2009 on the project "CSG ray-trace optimizations".... |
| 18:06.25 | rahul_cool | can any one help me...... |
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| 18:13.44 | brlcad | rahul_cool: if you have to ask for help, then maybe not -- that's not an easy task :) |
| 18:14.04 | brlcad | also, note that the suggested list for 2009 hasn't been uploaded yet |
| 18:16.21 | brlcad | if you have a more specific question, go ahead an ask |
| 18:21.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: Yeah, you called it |
| 18:22.34 | starseeker | hmm... |
| 18:22.38 | starseeker | actua..y... |
| 18:43.08 | starseeker | grr the express.h include references most of the other express.h files |
| 18:43.14 | starseeker | er express . files |
| 18:43.24 | starseeker | express .h files come on bz |
| 18:43.38 | starseeker | this thing is so interrelated it's amazing |
| 18:47.30 | brlcad | it's common to have an interface file like that referencing other header files |
| 18:48.02 | brlcad | that's the same for the opennurbs headers if you recall, started with opennurbs.h, that just basically includes every other non-private api header |
| 18:48.12 | starseeker | right |
| 18:48.32 | starseeker | now will move a bunch of headers AGAIN to include, but this time in express, exppp, etc directories |
| 18:48.40 | brlcad | kinda what I'd like to do with bu/bn/rt too, one bu.h header that isn't 10k lines long |
| 18:48.59 | brlcad | instead breaks up the api into logical sections and bu.h just includes those various section headers |
| 18:49.12 | starseeker | do you want express.h as a "toplevel" including all the other "express/*.h" headers? |
| 18:49.20 | brlcad | how'd they do it? |
| 18:49.41 | starseeker | <snort> they stuffed all of them in express with the source files |
| 18:49.48 | brlcad | sometimes there's a good reason to not include *.h (especially if some are private, but even for non-private) |
| 18:50.13 | starseeker | Oh, I'm only going to move the ones either needed by express.h or explicitly included by (e.g.) fedex_plus |
| 18:50.45 | brlcad | ah, for the ones that you already determine are public |
| 18:50.49 | starseeker | right |
| 18:51.00 | starseeker | only putting them in include or include/express if forced to |
| 18:51.01 | brlcad | then yeah, could just include include/express/*.h |
| 18:51.11 | brlcad | though that might be redundant |
| 18:51.20 | brlcad | if it's hierarchical and not just two-level |
| 18:51.42 | starseeker | right now its flat |
| 18:52.34 | starseeker | I was thinking to stick all of 'em that are needed in include/express for now, change the includes to "express/file.h", and sort it out later if we want more structure |
| 18:55.07 | brlcad | why bother changing the includes? |
| 18:55.14 | brlcad | just add include/express to the cppflags |
| 18:55.39 | starseeker | Yeah, I guess that will work |
| 18:55.54 | starseeker | doesn't like trusting flags, but supposes he should |
| 19:12.02 | starseeker | brlcad: step has a memory.h and so does /usr/include - which one wins if I inclulde include/express ? |
| 19:17.46 | brlcad | as "memory.h" it should select a -I directed path first before default system include dirs |
| 19:18.52 | brlcad | as <memory.h> it could be unreliable -- forget gcc's rules on that |
| 19:19.09 | brlcad | think it still means try system first |
| 19:19.18 | starseeker | k |
| 19:36.47 | starseeker | gah - the yylineno issue is still there |
| 19:37.12 | starseeker | considers tearing hair out |
| 19:38.32 | starseeker | bison < 2 doesn't create it automatically, bison > 2 does |
| 19:38.49 | starseeker | can't find a way to conditionally create it (so far) |
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| 19:40.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34020 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (60 files in 7 dirs): OK, one more time with the step include files. |
| 19:43.09 | starseeker | decides against tearing hair out and opts for researching |
| 19:45.57 | d-lo | the girls love bald..... |
| 19:47.37 | starseeker | mine doesn't |
| 19:51.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34021 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/express/Makefile.am: OK, looks like a flag may be needed for flex |
| 19:51.57 | starseeker | if that works, I can undo the scary hack and slash renaming I did in express |
| 20:07.39 | ``Erik | comcast is awesome! |
| 20:49.04 | PrezKennedyJR | snap out of it man! |
| 21:02.30 | starseeker | brlcad: Ah, nuts. when running distcheck it claims the step directory is already configured |
| 21:04.54 | starseeker | must have gotten too cute with the configure.ac |
| 21:11.19 | brlcad | really should probably start with enigma's more simple configure.ac :) |
| 21:11.37 | brlcad | ours has all sorts of automatic caching and various overrides |
| 21:11.58 | brlcad | some that don't work without previous tests |
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| 22:15.01 | brlcad | === configuring in src/other/step (/Volumes/wsbh/CI/projects/brlcad-trunk/work/src/other/step) |
| 22:15.05 | brlcad | configure: running /bin/sh ./configure '--prefix=/usr/brlcad' '--enable-symbols' --cache-file=../../../config.cache.darwin9.6.0.pawl.arl.army.mil --srcdir=. |
| 22:15.08 | brlcad | configuring SCL 3.1.0 |
| 22:15.10 | brlcad | No architecture info specified... specify the architecture directory using --with-arch=specify-arch-directory-here |
| 22:15.14 | brlcad | configure: error: ./configure failed for src/other/step |
| 22:16.17 | brlcad | that's what it's presently erroring out on even after that last poke (and it's disabled, so something is apparently wrong) |
| 22:16.30 | brlcad | (with the cruisecontrol config) |
| 22:16.46 | brlcad | probably just need to re-enable it and see if it'll work |
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| 22:37.56 | ``Erik | oh, starseeker, check out "brlman rtarea", i'ts cool |
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| 00:56.00 | ``Erik | huh, weird, hulu changed their buffer display, now it almost looks like cell phone bars |
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| 01:42.34 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, awf isn't up to the new man output |
| 01:42.58 | starseeker | need to make brlman a wrapper around man |
| 01:45.48 | starseeker | brlcad: the --with-arch arg requirement is from the original configure script in the NIST distribution |
| 01:45.55 | starseeker | it shouldn't be present any more |
| 01:46.22 | starseeker | also, the new configure scripts have 3.2.0 as the version |
| 01:50.39 | starseeker | I would suggest clearing out the src/other/step subdirectory and checking it out clean, if that's possible |
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| 02:35.18 | brlcad | settles down with the best wings in baltimore |
| 02:35.23 | brlcad | (thusfar) |
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| 03:17.07 | starseeker | scowls at configure.ac... why are you breaking distcheck? |
| 03:18.18 | starseeker | scripts a distcheck build to get full logging and sleeps on it |
| 03:19.26 | starseeker | brlcad: Would a configure.in file being checked in originally in src/other/step cause problems with subsequent configure.ac builds, even if removed from the repository? |
| 03:19.41 | starseeker | 'cause somehow it's getting the old build system |
| 04:03.18 | brlcad | starseeker: I don't know, it could be some generated file like aclocal.m4 or acinclude.m4 |
| 04:03.44 | brlcad | could be somehow specific to the checkout it's working with, hard to say without looking at the filesystem |
| 04:17.07 | starseeker | Uhhhh. distcheck failed for me without involving step afaict: make[3]: *** No rule to make target `unix/config.status', needed by `distdir'. Stop. |
| 04:18.40 | starseeker | that was at src/other/tcl |
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| 04:37.20 | ``Erik | so either add tcl/unix/config.status to the repo or delete it form the Maekfile.am |
| 04:42.56 | starseeker | but when/why did it change? |
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| 10:47.28 | brlcad | starseeker: something else is wrong |
| 10:47.45 | brlcad | there should and needs to be a config.status (and it doesn't belong in the repo, it's generated by configure) |
| 10:49.08 | bjorkintosh | goodness man, do you sleep? |
| 10:49.13 | brlcad | don't know why it'd be listed in tcl/tk's Makefile.am EXTRA_DIST, though, that could be the problem |
| 10:51.05 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: I try not to |
| 10:51.24 | bjorkintosh | makes sense. |
| 10:51.24 | brlcad | it's a nasty disease |
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| 14:15.58 | madant | WILL test the MathVM today :P |
| 14:19.00 | brlcad | :) |
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| 15:10.13 | brlcad | has the initial application in |
| 16:04.57 | dreeves__ | I don't know if it is appropriate place for me to ask this but is there a document with a little more detail about the approach if the new gui and how it will tie in to the geometry service or is this currently in the works. If so is it possible to get privy to those discussions/work? |
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| 16:58.03 | brlcad | dreeves__: there are some other docs but much of it is very much a work in progress |
| 16:58.30 | brlcad | the discussions are intentionally supposed to be completely open so you're more than welcome to join in |
| 16:58.59 | brlcad | some of them happen here on irc, some on the channel, and alas some in person for the few that can |
| 16:59.07 | brlcad | er, mailing list too |
| 16:59.34 | brlcad | there are a few docs and details on the wiki, and feel free to ask any questions here or on the devel mailing list |
| 17:13.26 | madant | :) seems like we are going to have a good number of applications this summer |
| 17:54.38 | brlcad | any devs present? starseeker? |
| 18:08.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34026 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (pcMathVM.cpp pcMathVM.h): adding BranchNode definition and methods to pcMathVM |
| 18:10.48 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 18:14.06 | starseeker | here |
| 18:14.14 | starseeker | what's up? |
| 18:15.03 | starseeker | scowls at configure.ac - why are you haulting when step has a config.status file but not haulting when enigma has a config.status file |
| 18:15.44 | starseeker | oh, I see - it's in the tarball |
| 18:15.46 | starseeker | hmm |
| 18:16.21 | brlcad | http://socghop.appspot.com <-- log in, edit profile, create a link_id |
| 18:16.44 | brlcad | anyone interested in mentoring gsoc this year if we're accepted needs to do that |
| 18:18.30 | starseeker | brlcad: you just use brlcad for your link_id? |
| 18:20.01 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:20.31 | starseeker | OK, I'm in |
| 18:21.18 | starseeker | do I need to associate myself with brlcad somehow? |
| 18:21.26 | brlcad | nope |
| 18:21.34 | starseeker | k |
| 18:21.36 | brlcad | just tell me your id |
| 18:21.42 | ``Erik | erikg |
| 18:21.42 | starseeker | link_id? |
| 18:23.56 | ``Erik | heh 'do you know what "irony" is?' 'is it like "stony" or "woody" but a lot better to make swords out of?' |
| 18:24.25 | starseeker | well, irony CAN cut... |
| 18:25.36 | starseeker | brlcad: would it be OK to create a wiki page on brlcad with pdf versions of some of the NIST publications on the step libs? so far total size would < 5 megs total for the papers |
| 18:27.02 | brlcad | starseeker: dont' see why not |
| 18:27.23 | starseeker | cool - thanks. That way if the site goes byebye we still have the docs too :-) |
| 18:27.56 | ``Erik | could just shove it in your public_html/ as a "personal page", as well |
| 18:28.25 | starseeker | oh, sure. But this way anyone wanting to do something with BRL-CAD + STEP will find them |
| 18:28.39 | starseeker | my personal site is just a grab bag ATM |
| 18:29.13 | brlcad | there needs to be a brlcad.org/wiki/STEP page, maybe also a /wiki/STEP/NIST to talk about that portion |
| 18:33.52 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34027 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/Makefile.am: Oops, step's configure.ac should be in the DISTCLEANFILES list. |
| 18:35.50 | brlcad | anything received during checkout shouldn't be in distcleanfiles... |
| 18:37.00 | starseeker | oh, really? whoops - I guess enigma must generate it |
| 18:37.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34028 10/rtcmp/trunk/ (rt/rt.c rtcmp.h tri.c): remove references to brlcad/machine.h. casting in ntohd/htond to quell warnings. |
| 18:39.43 | starseeker | hmm, no enigma's configure.ac is checked in... |
| 18:42.36 | dreeves__ | brlcad are there any docs other than the 3 uml diagrams ? |
| 18:43.34 | dreeves__ | I have searched the wiki and didn't locate anything else |
| 18:45.13 | brlcad | starseeker: enigma lists *configure* in distcleanfiles, not configure.ac |
| 18:45.18 | brlcad | you said configure.ac |
| 18:45.18 | starseeker | ah |
| 18:45.22 | starseeker | whooops |
| 18:45.52 | brlcad | dreeves__: yes there are, but did you have a particular question -- glad to just explain things ;) |
| 18:47.24 | starseeker | smacks self upside the head |
| 18:47.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34029 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/Makefile.am: Add configure to DISTCLEANFILES. Previous commit message was incorrected - added configure.ac to EXTRA_DIST files, NOT DISTCLEANFILES. |
| 18:48.14 | dreeves__ | I guess I'm just toying with the idea of maybe getting involved in maybe helping out with that.... Was really look to see if you had mockups of what the new gui might look like with some possible flows...Also was interested in how the gui would interact with the service i.e. the gui knowing which parameters were editable or are you all thinking that would be just built into the gui itself |
| 18:49.38 | dreeves__ | I could probably go on and on but I thought I would get educated with what the team had done first before I just started hammering everyone with a million questions |
| 18:49.45 | brlcad | dreeves__: ah, then should definitely also take a look at this: |
| 18:50.01 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/design/ |
| 18:50.10 | dreeves__ | cool |
| 18:50.11 | dreeves__ | thanks |
| 18:50.26 | brlcad | the gui link in particular includes an extensive gui interaction mock-up |
| 18:51.33 | brlcad | it was intentionally made application agnostic and doesn't show CAD interface aspects yet, but the same basic ideas of localized modelessness, universal command access, pervasive drag and drop, context panels, etc |
| 18:54.17 | dreeves__ | Just so I'm clear this is intended to be an mged replacement correct? |
| 18:59.09 | brlcad | long term, yes |
| 18:59.34 | dreeves__ | umm what would it be in the short term? |
| 18:59.50 | dreeves__ | or are you just saying it would take a while to replace mged? |
| 19:00.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34030 10/rtcmp/trunk/rt/rt.c: comments to help understand interface to librt |
| 19:00.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34031 10/rtcmp/trunk/ (adrt/adrt.c configure.ac): updates to handle updated tie interface |
| 19:00.57 | brlcad | dreeves__: the latter |
| 19:01.03 | madant | dreeves__ : it would take a while |
| 19:01.06 | madant | oops :D |
| 19:01.06 | dreeves__ | ah ok |
| 19:01.46 | brlcad | dreeves__: so if you're interested, here's the big picture as I see it |
| 19:02.04 | dreeves__ | ok? |
| 19:02.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r1232 10/wiki/STEP: Need to make a step wiki page - just rough out some categories for now - flesh out later |
| 19:02.48 | brlcad | mged's great in many ways, *lots* of functionality, powerful interface, it's been doing what it's doing forever but it's incredibly difficult to learn and takes a long time to master |
| 19:03.19 | brlcad | that said, it really is *filled* with functionality, hundreds of staff-years of effort that would take even a big team many years to replicate |
| 19:03.27 | brlcad | so we really can't afford to do that |
| 19:03.56 | brlcad | on top of that, there is a ton of other functionality in brl-cad that many people don't know about or don't know how to use (the other 399 applications) |
| 19:04.30 | brlcad | basically, our usability needs to improve in a major way |
| 19:04.48 | brlcad | but not such that we just lose everything that has been invested, therein enters LIBGED |
| 19:05.25 | brlcad | libged is a refactoring project that has been going on for almost a year now to take most of the best aspects of mged out of mged, and putting that logic into a library so it can be more readily reused |
| 19:05.55 | brlcad | libged by itself, though, obviously won't make usability any better, for that we need a better gui |
| 19:06.37 | brlcad | on that front enters a refactoring prototype that was started several years ago -- archer; basically mged's gui rewritten but still using mged's geometry management and command functionality under the hood |
| 19:06.48 | brlcad | also enter last year's gsoc project to start a completely new gui interface |
| 19:07.38 | brlcad | what remains is the infrastructure to tie the gui to the backend while also pulling in "the rest" of brl-cad under that same interface |
| 19:08.08 | brlcad | that is where the geometry service and geometry engine are at, they tie the front to the back |
| 19:09.31 | brlcad | the intent of the geometry engine is to modularize the geometry management API, provide better type encapsulation and geometry management features similar to other CAD kernels like ACIS or Granite |
| 19:10.21 | brlcad | the geometry engine basically wraps libbu, libbn, librt, libwdb, and the new libged into a clean API |
| 19:10.31 | dreeves__ | Yeah I grabbed the latest rt^3 package and got it to compile but seems like all the apps are just outputting timing type of things I'm sure I'm missing something but I didn't see any guis |
| 19:11.40 | brlcad | dreeves__: the rt^3 module hasn't really been cleaned up and unified yet, so you're sort of seeing a little of the gui work that happened during gsoc, some of the GE work, and a lot of the GS work |
| 19:12.14 | brlcad | and the three don't yet play with each other much given they're all being developed in parallel |
| 19:12.23 | dreeves__ | oh ok that's fine I just wanted to see what had been done so far |
| 19:12.30 | brlcad | (as they really are three independent projects) |
| 19:12.37 | dreeves__ | ok |
| 19:13.31 | dreeves__ | I just flipped through some of the gui design I take it that is more of a concept type thing, survey of different style of guis if you will |
| 19:13.37 | brlcad | so project-wise related to improving the interface, there's BREP support, LIBGED refactoring, GE design, GS implementation, and the GUI itself |
| 19:14.02 | brlcad | dreeves__: it's not a survey, it's an actual interaction prototype |
| 19:14.28 | dreeves__ | oh I must doing something wrong I will go back and look at it again |
| 19:14.40 | brlcad | what's missing is how that would actually look and act with a 3D context, geometry actions, object palettes, etc |
| 19:14.56 | brlcad | this: http://brlcad.org/design/gui/ioe_proto_final.mov |
| 19:15.04 | dreeves__ | ok |
| 19:15.33 | brlcad | it is a survey of different *interactions* you might encounter in the gui, just not multiple guis |
| 19:16.33 | brlcad | the important aspect is how tasks are managed, how contexts are managed, command interaction, how the overall menu works, the clipboard, etc |
| 19:17.09 | madant | dreeves__: are u already an open source contributor ? |
| 19:17.57 | dreeves__ | no |
| 19:18.27 | brlcad | your name is very familiar |
| 19:18.33 | dreeves__ | why am I stepping on toes and just don't know it |
| 19:18.43 | dreeves__ | yes I use to work at brl about 20 years ok |
| 19:18.44 | dreeves__ | ago |
| 19:18.55 | brlcad | yes, that just clicked with me |
| 19:18.56 | brlcad | gsi |
| 19:19.01 | madant | :) |
| 19:19.03 | dreeves__ | yep |
| 19:20.10 | brlcad | that's very interesting, for many reasons.. :) |
| 19:20.24 | brlcad | you still coding these days? |
| 19:20.25 | dreeves__ | :) |
| 19:20.32 | dreeves__ | oh yeah very much so |
| 19:20.52 | dreeves__ | just not open source |
| 19:20.56 | brlcad | nods |
| 19:21.08 | brlcad | something you maybe haven't seen: http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 19:21.20 | madant | :) 20+ years omg .thats like awesome experience :) |
| 19:21.22 | dreeves__ | nope |
| 19:21.41 | dreeves__ | Yeah I loved working on brlcad |
| 19:22.57 | madant | you must have worked with Mike et al. ? :) |
| 19:23.10 | dreeves__ | I meet him a few times |
| 19:23.42 | brlcad | dreeves__: I take it you stay in touch with Harry, maybe some of the other guys still out at apg? |
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| 19:24.25 | dreeves__ | I remember having a conversion with him when he was working NMG that was a very interesting discussion |
| 19:24.57 | brlcad | you'll hear much of the same still going on :) |
| 19:25.13 | dreeves__ | No Harry and I sort of went our own ways... |
| 19:25.29 | dreeves__ | I miss Harry will have to get that way to see him soon |
| 19:25.29 | brlcad | the BREP effort under way is our #1 priority in many ways |
| 19:25.39 | brlcad | ah, shame |
| 19:26.04 | brlcad | he's actually one of the few I don't think I've had the pleasure of meeting personally yet |
| 19:26.06 | dreeves__ | Are you nugging me toward that? |
| 19:26.19 | dreeves__ | Have you an I meet? |
| 19:26.45 | brlcad | don't think so unless you've been over to see the CAD team |
| 19:27.03 | dreeves__ | Do you know if Ed, Paul and Keith are still out there? |
| 19:27.06 | brlcad | (in the last 10 years or so) |
| 19:27.10 | dreeves__ | no |
| 19:27.24 | dreeves__ | i haven't unfortunately |
| 19:27.25 | brlcad | ed is, he's current acting team lead |
| 19:27.38 | dreeves__ | realllllly.... |
| 19:27.40 | dreeves__ | :) |
| 19:27.50 | brlcad | paul has been promoted into managerial oblivion, no longer does anything productive |
| 19:28.02 | dreeves__ | I really liked working with him |
| 19:28.08 | brlcad | er, you mean deitz or tanenbaum? |
| 19:28.21 | brlcad | well, same holds for both I suppose :) |
| 19:28.23 | dreeves__ | deitz |
| 19:28.44 | brlcad | he's leads one of the directorates |
| 19:29.06 | dreeves__ | I probably shouldn't refer to him has Paul I suppose I don't mean any disrespect |
| 19:29.21 | brlcad | nah, he's still paul |
| 19:29.28 | brlcad | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/a19/206 |
| 19:30.09 | dreeves__ | Yeah I was sure he was but I didn't want anyone on here to get the wrong idea |
| 19:30.16 | brlcad | keith retired and came back as a contractor, doesn't write code though -- still does some modeling |
| 19:30.50 | dreeves__ | Yeah that is mostly what he before he is awesome at the modeling though |
| 19:32.28 | brlcad | dwayne kregel is one of the best brl-cad modelers out there now, he's helped inspire a lot of my ideas for things we need to work on |
| 19:32.47 | dreeves__ | So funny I went to HS with him |
| 19:32.48 | brlcad | victor is back and modeling again |
| 19:32.53 | dreeves__ | aberdeen |
| 19:33.08 | brlcad | yeah, I think he told me that one |
| 19:33.12 | brlcad | *once |
| 19:33.22 | brlcad | big D |
| 19:33.29 | brlcad | awesome guy |
| 19:33.42 | dreeves__ | Yes he is a very tall guy |
| 19:33.55 | dreeves__ | small world though |
| 19:34.28 | dreeves__ | brlcad what is your email? |
| 19:35.53 | dreeves__ | BTW I will check out the priorities maybe I will redirect my energy a little |
| 19:36.19 | brlcad | note that those are open source priorities |
| 19:36.26 | brlcad | very close to but not exactly the same as ARL priorities |
| 19:37.18 | brlcad | ARL funds the cad team in more specific ways obviously to work on enhancements |
| 19:38.06 | brlcad | thinks who else gsiwise is still around |
| 19:38.21 | brlcad | adam |
| 19:41.42 | dreeves__ | adam came on after I left |
| 19:42.12 | brlcad | ah |
| 19:43.40 | brlcad | there's another guy but I can't remember his name |
| 19:46.12 | brlcad | probably a few names you recognize: http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS |
| 19:46.37 | dreeves__ | so does your cad team basically work at what use to be brl? |
| 19:46.53 | dreeves__ | I thought Lee Butler lead the cad team did he leave? |
| 19:47.05 | brlcad | he left |
| 19:47.23 | dreeves__ | Yeah I wend through that list the other night know quite a few people on it |
| 19:48.21 | brlcad | Lee is still around, but he went to work on his phd for a year then came back to lead the modeling team and just recently moved onto another team |
| 19:48.58 | dreeves__ | oh ok |
| 19:49.00 | brlcad | still at the same place, maybe even the same building |
| 19:49.17 | dreeves__ | I will have to send ed and email |
| 19:49.34 | brlcad | he knows :) |
| 19:49.40 | dreeves__ | ok |
| 19:49.44 | dreeves__ | :) |
| 19:49.50 | dreeves__ | What does he think? |
| 19:53.59 | brlcad | he thinks he's ready to retire :) |
| 19:54.23 | dreeves__ | LOL!! :) |
| 19:55.40 | dreeves__ | So what's up with the work on Java? |
| 19:56.27 | brlcad | wonders if dreeves__ notices that he has other messages.. :) |
| 19:56.47 | brlcad | john anderson started that just playing around a couple years ago |
| 19:56.54 | brlcad | s/couple/many/ |
| 19:57.11 | brlcad | got a simple ray query working, and it sat for a while |
| 19:57.39 | brlcad | then another big java project started at arl, and it revived some attention on that project |
| 19:57.44 | dreeves__ | Just noticed sorry |
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| 20:49.13 | ysselive | dreeves__: btw, more you may not have seen -- screenie of the "Archer" prototype interface I mentioned -- http://brlcad.org/tmp/archer.png |
| 20:49.26 | ysselive | Archer is the test bed for most of the LIBGED refactoring |
| 20:49.59 | ysselive | and will likely merge with MGED at some point (replacing mged's gui) as an intermediate step until the other new GUI is ready |
| 20:56.21 | MrStayPuft | dreeves__: another one of interest: http://brlcad.org/tmp/brepstep.jpg |
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| 21:06.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34032 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (Makefile.am autogen.sh): Don't need autogen.sh in this directory while step is acting as a part of brlcad |
| 21:12.40 | brlcad | gets the munchies |
| 21:17.59 | ``Erik | wonders if that was staypuft or staypuffed O.o |
| 21:18.10 | starseeker | brlcad: config.status is in both EXTRA_DIST and DISTCLEANFILES in the tcl Makefile.am - is that intentional? |
| 21:18.57 | brlcad | it's mr stay puft |
| 21:19.00 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay_Puft_Marshmallow_Man |
| 21:19.16 | brlcad | starseeker: probably not |
| 21:19.38 | ``Erik | someone has stayed up too late to catch the lame joke :D |
| 21:19.48 | brlcad | not that they have much to do with each other .. being a distcleanfile doesn't mean it'll be included in the dist |
| 21:19.56 | starseeker | right |
| 21:20.06 | starseeker | the failure on distcheck has something to do with it though |
| 21:20.09 | ``Erik | $16k for a windows machine, ow |
| 21:20.23 | brlcad | ``Erik: or I didn't stay up late enough? puffing glue? |
| 21:20.38 | brlcad | puffing a joint? |
| 21:20.43 | ``Erik | the latter, yeah |
| 21:20.46 | brlcad | ah |
| 21:20.49 | brlcad | then I caught it |
| 21:20.54 | brlcad | just wasn't funny :) |
| 21:21.07 | ``Erik | <-- said it was lame, not funny :D |
| 21:21.11 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:21.32 | ``Erik | has mysql and apache22 running on the new machine, btw |
| 21:22.26 | starseeker | brlcad: Any prior knowledge of the stepmod project on sourceforge? |
| 21:24.17 | starseeker | Hmm, cool, NIST made some code for controlling a machining center using the STEP-NC spec |
| 21:24.28 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, prior guilty knowledge, yes |
| 21:24.33 | starseeker | heh |
| 21:24.42 | starseeker | anything useful there? |
| 21:26.57 | brlcad | probably, but it was heavily biased towards lifecycle aspects of step |
| 21:27.12 | brlcad | MUCH of step has little/nothing to do with geometry |
| 21:27.41 | brlcad | hinted at by geometry starting at application protocol two *hundred* and three .. |
| 21:28.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34033 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/pcMathGrammar.h: Complete description of the Expression Grammar : Stage 1/4 |
| 21:28.11 | brlcad | ~madant++ |
| 21:28.59 | starseeker | hmm - looks like we're not the only ones playing around with NIST SCL: http://code.google.com/p/fbics/ |
| 21:29.02 | brlcad | starseeker: one interesting piece they do is ap28 though .. that didn't exist until recently |
| 21:29.07 | madant | huh |
| 21:29.21 | starseeker | ah, nuts - he's going GPLv3 |
| 21:29.25 | brlcad | (AP28 is STEP-XML) |
| 21:29.30 | starseeker | ah, cool :-) |
| 21:29.53 | brlcad | problem there, though, being no CAD software dumps that out that I'm aware of yet |
| 21:30.01 | brlcad | so not a high priority |
| 21:30.07 | starseeker | true. |
| 21:30.24 | brlcad | still have to deal with ap21 files |
| 21:30.27 | starseeker | ponders using it as a good BRL-CAD archival output format, but that's also low priority... |
| 21:32.21 | brlcad | looks like it's a new project |
| 21:32.30 | brlcad | there is no code to it other than scl |
| 21:32.42 | brlcad | so you could check it out and see what mods he's made |
| 21:33.05 | starseeker | maybe, but since it's public domain code he's allowed to make his modes GPLv3 |
| 21:33.10 | brlcad | wow, very new .. last commit was just yesterday |
| 21:33.20 | brlcad | and that was r2 |
| 21:33.29 | starseeker | could ask him, I suppose |
| 21:33.40 | brlcad | i mean he's done nothing thusfar |
| 21:33.41 | brlcad | even to scl |
| 21:33.46 | starseeker | ah, ok |
| 21:34.21 | starseeker | can't find a license on the stepmod stuff |
| 21:35.27 | evilcad | there is no stepmod stuff |
| 21:35.43 | starseeker | http://stepmod.cvs.sourceforge.net/stepmod/ |
| 21:35.44 | evilcad | he's not done anything yet |
| 21:35.49 | starseeker | aj |
| 21:35.50 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:35.52 | evilcad | oh |
| 21:35.58 | evilcad | crossed the streams |
| 21:36.01 | evilcad | meant fbics |
| 21:36.08 | starseeker | and the universe is destroyed! :-) |
| 21:36.25 | evilcad | i was told it's a very bad thing to do |
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| 21:47.11 | starseeker | grr - bad project, publish licensing restrictions clearly |
| 21:51.38 | starseeker | Hey ``Erik: http://sourceforge.net/projects/e7bfc/ |
| 21:52.15 | starseeker | windows only, unfortunately |
| 22:05.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34034 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/Makefile.am tk/Makefile.am): config.status doesn't belong in EXTRA_DIST, was breaking make distcheck. |
| 22:21.39 | starseeker | confound it |
| 22:23.59 | starseeker | the distcheck tarball is pulling in expparse.c and expscan.c even though they are included in DISTCLEANFILES in the Makefile.am! That's apparently enough to stop bison from running, and since expparse.h is NOT being snarfed in as well the build fails |
| 22:25.38 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm not familiar yet with the distcheck rules for tarball building are implemented - is there a chance that some stray cp *.c command in there somewhere is pulling in files despite their being on the DISTCLEAN list? |
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| 22:47.05 | starseeker | is forced to put it on hold |
| 22:52.58 | ``Erik | nifty, starseeker, but I chose bf as a minimal basis for a case study :D |
| 22:53.18 | ``Erik | at he moment, I think I'm gonna check out clozure (for some reason, I had it and clojure confused) |
| 23:11.35 | evilcad | starseeker: again, being in distcleanfiles has nothing to do with being included in the dist -- it's just a list of what to try to remove if someone runs distclean |
| 23:12.23 | evilcad | those .c files are included because they are either listed as extra_dist and/or because it figured out that they need to be included because they are .l/.y generated |
| 23:18.46 | Ralith | wonders what evilcad is eviling |
| 23:21.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1233 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: New page: = Getting started = Students participating with BRL-CAD in the 2008 GSoC have a '''[[Google_Summer_of_Code/Checklist|checklist]]''' of actions to attend to before getting started on thei... |
| 23:23.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1234 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: |
| 23:28.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1236 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Additional Information */ |
| 23:28.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1235 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Additional Information */ |
| 23:33.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1237 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009/Project_Ideas: Redirecting to [[Google Summer of Code/Project Ideas]] |
| 23:43.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1238 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: comment out a few to reduce the list |
| 23:45.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1239 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: commenting out not working so hot, just remove them and rely on revision history |
| 23:50.08 | brlcad | Ralith: heh, just evil craziness in another channel :) |
| 23:51.21 | Ralith | oo, SoC infos |
| 23:51.31 | ``Erik | uh huh, rrrriiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt |
| 23:52.30 | ``Erik | ah HA, that's where I stashed it *whew* |
| 23:52.53 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1240 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: update to 2009 |
| 23:52.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1241 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: |
| 00:01.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1242 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2008/Project_Ideas: add the ideas as they ended for 2008, include a warning notice |
| 00:01.48 | brlcad | anyone wanna make a poster? |
| 00:01.55 | brlcad | something like http://brlcad.org/wiki/Image:Brlcad_gsoc2008_flyer.jpg |
| 00:02.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1243 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2008: /* Additional Information */ refer to 2008 specifically |
| 00:02.28 | brlcad | complete liberty to make it cool |
| 00:09.30 | starseeker | brlcad: Ah, so anything .l or .y generated is supposed to be included in generated form? |
| 00:09.40 | starseeker | that puts a different slant on it |
| 00:11.47 | brlcad | starseeker: possibly |
| 00:12.01 | brlcad | but actually, I think it's saying that it's a BUILT_SOURCES makes it included |
| 00:12.36 | brlcad | since you're supposed to be able to build straight from a dist (at least that's one of the schools of thought) |
| 00:13.19 | brlcad | either way, it's probably some _SOURCES decl that makes it be included |
| 00:15.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1244 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: clean up the preamble |
| 00:16.14 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1245 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: /* Getting Started */ smaller image since it's now out of date |
| 00:18.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1246 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Acceptance: /* Assign copyright and license under the LGPL */ |
| 00:21.39 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1247 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: /* Getting Started */ |
| 00:29.18 | ``Erik | I'll participate in braintorming and critique, but I claim no ability in visual creativity |
| 00:29.37 | ``Erik | if'n you're talking code or music, ... :D |
| 00:36.08 | starseeker | brlcad: Except expparse.h is in BUILT_SOURCES, and doesn't seem to get included |
| 00:36.17 | starseeker | sticks it in EXTRA_DIST and tries again |
| 00:38.26 | madant | brlcad: which program was used for last flyer ? |
| 00:40.56 | brlcad | starseeker: ah, hm, maybe put BUILT_SOURCES in EXTRA_DIST |
| 00:41.08 | brlcad | madant: mm, don't recall |
| 00:41.36 | brlcad | probably Pages |
| 00:41.57 | madant | yeah the header says Photoshop :) |
| 00:42.25 | brlcad | ah, could have been just that too |
| 00:43.11 | ``Erik | how does it say photoshop? could it be that pages output a semi-photoshopis header to attempt to force compatability? |
| 00:43.40 | ``Erik | mebbe even as much as spoofing client, like opera can do for web stuff? :D just random blabbering here, hain't looked into it myself |
| 00:44.12 | brlcad | nah, I vaguely recall throwing it together quickly in PS |
| 00:44.33 | ``Erik | okie |
| 00:44.42 | brlcad | doesn't take much to whip together a flyer |
| 00:44.51 | ``Erik | brlcad, do you happen to recall the prices of the different long term parkings at the airport? |
| 00:45.56 | brlcad | http://www.bwiairport.com/en/parking/information-rates |
| 00:46.24 | ``Erik | so that's a no. :) all heil google |
| 00:48.25 | ``Erik | that's, dude |
| 00:48.39 | ``Erik | thanks, even |
| 00:49.34 | brlcad | 10/daily is all i ever remember |
| 00:50.34 | ``Erik | I think park&ride is about there |
| 00:51.02 | ``Erik | I think I like the notion of having to present a ticket for them to let you on the lot and stuff more than the automated garage |
| 00:51.07 | ``Erik | at the loss of overhead protection |
| 00:53.09 | brlcad | riight, having some dude making minimum wage take a ticket from you makes it more safe than a security patrolled garage with cameras |
| 00:53.53 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:54.01 | starseeker | regrets not having before and after pictures of Sean with his old/new cars |
| 00:54.36 | ``Erik | minimum wage dudes walking the garages and watching the cameras |
| 00:54.46 | ``Erik | with no notion of needing a ticket to get to your car |
| 00:54.58 | brlcad | airport staff |
| 00:55.01 | brlcad | they're unionized |
| 00:55.17 | ``Erik | I might do that |
| 00:56.04 | ``Erik | last time I left it in the park&go thingy, came back with a bmw on one side and an mb on the other, I d'no, mebbe some fucktard in a lumina might park next to me and bang my door up *cough* *duck* |
| 00:56.07 | ``Erik | I guess I'll wing it :D |
| 00:56.31 | ``Erik | *shrug* in the end, it's just a car, 60k o not |
| 00:56.41 | ``Erik | I'll stop being a ginormous varginer now |
| 00:59.13 | starseeker | brlcad: Any preferencs for visuals on the poster? |
| 00:59.25 | brlcad | starseeker: nope |
| 00:59.44 | starseeker | hmm. |
| 01:00.22 | brlcad | you can see what other orgs have done on the site for previous years |
| 01:00.43 | ``Erik | wait, no |
| 01:00.47 | ``Erik | there is a preference |
| 01:00.49 | ``Erik | we prefer awesome |
| 01:01.08 | brlcad | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 01:01.25 | starseeker | ``Erik: well, so much for me doing it then :-P |
| 01:01.38 | ``Erik | iirc, our last had a 3 panel corner with a sphflake in it |
| 01:02.18 | ``Erik | in fact, is it acceptable to adjust the dates and stuff on the old poster and re-use it? |
| 01:02.31 | brlcad | should use the 2009 logo/info |
| 01:02.41 | ``Erik | ah |
| 01:08.20 | brlcad | bz's last year was awesome, probably the best to date of all orgs |
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| 01:12.49 | ``Erik | punker is dj'ing, http://troubleradio.net/ |
| 01:38.22 | redvsblue | :D |
| 02:43.03 | yukonbob | bzflag poster -is- cool ;) |
| 02:48.58 | starseeker | has fun with gimp: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/concept_to_reality.png |
| 02:50.04 | brlcad | starseeker: nice picture |
| 02:53.27 | ``Erik | huh, olmos has put on quite a gut |
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| 03:07.36 | Briggs_ | I had a quick question about NMG and booleans in BRL CAD.... |
| 03:07.50 | Briggs_ | does NMG support boolean operations between two NMG structures directly? |
| 03:08.02 | brlcad | yep |
| 03:08.20 | Briggs_ | brlcad: ahhh great. |
| 03:08.31 | brlcad | nmg_evaluate_boolean() |
| 03:08.52 | Briggs_ | so it should be possible to get untesselated version of these NMG structures and translate into another n-gon structure. |
| 03:09.58 | brlcad | that's exactly what it does |
| 03:10.08 | Briggs_ | brlcad: thank you so much :) |
| 03:10.29 | Briggs_ | brlcad: any comments on the robustness of BRL CADS implementation of booleans on NMG structures? |
| 03:10.30 | brlcad | there's a handful of funcs, nmg_bool(), nmg_do_bool(), |
| 03:12.01 | Briggs_ | one other question, does NMG have any utility functions for building a NMG from a 'polygon soup'/much more primitive data? |
| 03:12.22 | brlcad | the lib is pretty robust for 99.9% of models, but there are plenty of numerical issues that can arise |
| 03:12.37 | brlcad | particularly if you're evaluating degenerate or invalid geometry |
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| 03:13.15 | brlcad | plus there are tolerance structures that you provide that will heavily affect an evaluation |
| 03:13.49 | brlcad | (e.g., set a horribly low tolerance and you end up evaluating degenerate cases) |
| 03:14.57 | brlcad | as for a utility functions to build up from polygon soup .. probably .. but would have to dig around |
| 03:16.06 | brlcad | looking at the importers (src/conv) would probably be a reasonable starting point or straight to the nmg funcs (in src/librt and src/librt/primitives/nmg) |
| 03:16.33 | Briggs_ | brlcad: yeah I figured I might just modify an importer that exists. |
| 03:17.02 | brlcad | if it turns out there isn't something, would be a great addition to make |
| 03:17.04 | Briggs_ | brlcad: the biggest difference between my representation and NMG is I dont store shell/region info. |
| 03:17.30 | Briggs_ | so I just worry about being able to derive that succesfully. |
| 03:17.41 | brlcad | nods |
| 03:18.41 | Ralith | starseeker: neat! |
| 03:18.44 | joeedh | how would you pass data back? |
| 03:19.17 | Briggs_ | convert back from the NMG structure. |
| 03:19.23 | Briggs_ | thats probably the easiest part actually. |
| 03:19.57 | joeedh | is confused; he thought people told him earlier this would only work on triangulated datasets |
| 03:20.23 | joeedh | so I guess I'm wondering if it passes back triangulated data |
| 03:20.27 | Briggs_ | joeedh: did they say 'triangulated' or 'tesselated'... I think in BRL-CAD world there is a difference. |
| 03:20.44 | Briggs_ | 'tesselated' dataset == explicit BREP reprenseation of a CSG primitive |
| 03:20.44 | joeedh | vaguely remembers both, isn't sure though |
| 03:20.51 | Briggs_ | that doenst mean triangulated nessecarilly |
| 03:20.58 | Briggs_ | (or at least thats the impression I got from reading the docs) |
| 03:21.30 | brlcad | yeah, triangulated implies .. triangles |
| 03:21.40 | brlcad | the nmg lib deals with arbitrary polygons |
| 03:21.55 | joeedh | right. |
| 03:22.05 | brlcad | if you only want triangles, you can use nmg |
| 03:22.10 | brlcad | or you can use bots |
| 03:22.41 | Briggs_ | nah, we definitely want polygons with interior bounded loops for holes as option |
| 03:22.44 | brlcad | pretty simple to turn an nmg into triangles |
| 03:23.26 | joeedh | how does it handle data like uv textures, or vertex colors, attached to the mesh? |
| 03:23.54 | Briggs_ | suspects thats probably not a concern for NMG... may have to be extended. |
| 03:24.16 | brlcad | nmg structures are purely geometric |
| 03:24.51 | Briggs_ | this sounds like great starting point for what I want to use it for though :) |
| 03:27.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34035 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/express/Makefile.am: Add BUILT_SOURCES to EXTRA_DIST for step |
| 03:27.24 | brlcad | the structures could be extended to include user data too |
| 03:29.52 | joeedh | yeah we'd have to do that. |
| 03:30.10 | Briggs_ | I remember looking at NMG code, its fairly straightforward. |
| 03:31.22 | brlcad | so what are you guys working on? |
| 03:31.42 | Briggs_ | brlcad: we are blender devs, working on the mesh system. |
| 03:31.51 | Ralith | the current materials system can't handle UV maps? |
| 03:32.08 | brlcad | aha, cool |
| 03:32.21 | Briggs_ | brlcad: I wrote a non-manifold brep (not quite as heavy as NMG) and now that we can do n-gons, I really wanted to look at having booleans that dont stink |
| 03:32.22 | Ralith | Briggs_: oo, neat! |
| 03:32.32 | Briggs_ | brlcad: joeedh here is working on finishing up the API for the brep/kernel. |
| 03:32.42 | Ralith | having high quality blender i/o to BRL-CAD would be awesome. |
| 03:33.35 | Briggs_ | Ralith: :) |
| 03:34.05 | Ralith | playing with blender was my first foray into computer graphics/modeling |
| 03:34.23 | Briggs_ | its come a long way! |
| 03:34.31 | joeedh | yeah it really has |
| 03:34.46 | Ralith | yup |
| 03:35.42 | joeedh | btw, does brl-cad have code to triangulate arbritrary complex polygons? |
| 03:35.50 | brlcad | Briggs_: perhaps interesting to know that comprehensive brep support (including nurbs) is one of our current development priorities |
| 03:36.11 | brlcad | one of the later tasks for next year include implementing (spline surface) brep on brep CSG evaluation |
| 03:36.19 | Briggs_ | brlcad: ahhh thats very nice. |
| 03:36.39 | brlcad | presently working on high performance ray trace evaluation and conversion support (step) |
| 03:36.47 | Briggs_ | brlcad: I actually originally looked at the NMG source when designing the new blender mesh kernel and I noticed that there were already pointers in the NMG structs to data like that which were not used. |
| 03:37.04 | Briggs_ | or didn't seem to be used yet. |
| 03:38.01 | brlcad | joeedh: yes |
| 03:38.14 | brlcad | check out src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_tri.c and nmg_misc.c |
| 03:38.20 | joeedh | ooh cool |
| 03:39.21 | Briggs_ | Ralith: something I thought would be interesting is to use blender as interface to BRL-CAD CSG primitives/trees. |
| 03:39.33 | brlcad | believe it does a slice n' dice to turn non-convex faces into workable pieces |
| 03:40.04 | brlcad | Briggs_: you recall which structure in question? |
| 03:40.20 | brlcad | I just looked and didn't see a user data pointer like we usually have |
| 03:40.31 | Ralith | Briggs_: that would be very nice; does the blender renderer handle that kind of geometry? |
| 03:40.35 | Ralith | given librt |
| 03:40.40 | joeedh | brlcad: this looks a little like trapezoidal decomposition (from a quick look at the code). does your version produce nice tesselations? |
| 03:40.41 | Briggs_ | brlcad: it was the edge(not edgeuse I think) that had pointer to curve data. |
| 03:40.59 | Briggs_ | Ralith: no, I would probably have to have it spit out an NMG. |
| 03:41.02 | Briggs_ | Ralith: and then render that. |
| 03:41.17 | Ralith | Briggs_: wouldn't that really kill quality on smooth surfaces? :/ |
| 03:41.20 | Briggs_ | Ralith: which isnt quite as 'cool'. |
| 03:41.23 | Ralith | not nearly. |
| 03:41.24 | Briggs_ | yeah it would :/ |
| 03:41.38 | Ralith | is that how nurbs are implemented? |
| 03:41.45 | Ralith | convert to mesh for render? |
| 03:41.49 | Briggs_ | blenders nurbs are triangulated, yeah |
| 03:42.02 | Briggs_ | blenders raytracer only understands a bag of triangles. |
| 03:42.14 | Ralith | too much work to extent it? |
| 03:42.16 | brlcad | joeedh: not nice according to recent research measures, but certainly good enough for most purposes -- it depends |
| 03:42.34 | Ralith | I mean |
| 03:42.39 | Ralith | you could just call librt for raycasting |
| 03:42.42 | joeedh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.51 | Ralith | so it might not be too much work |
| 03:42.59 | Briggs_ | joeedh: you mean scanfill? |
| 03:42.59 | joeedh | we implemented an ear clipper tesselator, which produces nice tesselations but is kindof slow. |
| 03:43.03 | joeedh | yeah |
| 03:43.16 | Briggs_ | joeedh: quality is not an issue for drawing, but for conversion. |
| 03:43.34 | Briggs_ | well I guess renderer we woudl want nicer quality.... |
| 03:43.43 | brlcad | Briggs_: hm, curve data sounds like spline data, not material informaiton |
| 03:44.39 | Ralith | Briggs_: I don't know much about raytracer design, let alone blender's implementation, but it seems like librt will do the hard bits for you. |
| 03:44.41 | Briggs_ | brlcad: sorry, I think we are geting two seperate lines of conversation mixed up :) |
| 03:45.04 | Briggs_ | Ralith: possibly, it becomes a more difficult problem when you factor in 3d procredural textures/ect I think. |
| 03:45.34 | Ralith | hm, it might be an interesting study to see if using librt in other cases too would speed the renderer up. |
| 03:45.40 | Ralith | BRL-CAD is very heavily optimised. |
| 03:46.15 | Ralith | yeah, I thought there'd be more to it, but I would hope that the renderer was designed to be extensible. |
| 03:46.15 | Briggs_ | brlcad: when I said that there were some unused pointers I saw in NMG last time I looked I was commenting on the fact that you are not invetigating comprehensive brep support |
| 03:46.25 | Briggs_ | Ralith: blenders renderer? |
| 03:46.27 | Ralith | yeah |
| 03:46.33 | Briggs_ | Ralith: not really :) |
| 03:46.34 | Ralith | Briggs_: actually, comprehensive brep support is WIP right now. |
| 03:46.36 | Ralith | oh. |
| 03:46.38 | Ralith | that's a shame. |
| 03:46.51 | Ralith | I wonders, does yafray support CSG? |
| 03:46.53 | Briggs_ | brlcad: are 'now' investigating even... not 'not'. |
| 03:47.27 | joeedh | Ralith: I don't think so. |
| 03:47.29 | Briggs_ | Ralith: blenders renderer was originally probably written to work 'just enough' for the productions that they did when it was just an in house tool |
| 03:47.55 | Ralith | Briggs_: thought that might be the case, but it seems like it's been extended an awful lot since then |
| 03:47.56 | joeedh | well it's been heavily refactored since then. though some of the ore evil optimizations remain,ger. |
| 03:48.13 | joeedh | it's still a production tool first though :) so not the best thing in the world |
| 03:48.24 | joeedh | ore == more |
| 03:49.28 | Briggs_ | Ralith: yeah, but I think once again these things are just 'bolted on' to serve some immediate need. |
| 03:49.39 | brlcad | more specifically, comprehensive nurbs/brep support is what's presently a work in progress -- we have an old nurbs implementation from a long time ago but are now working on a completely new implementation using new research (starting from rt06) |
| 03:50.05 | Briggs_ | brlcad: ahh ok. |
| 03:50.09 | Ralith | this is why I love the BRL-CAD project; simultaneously ancient and cutting edge. |
| 03:50.23 | brlcad | as for "brep" support, technically nmgs fit that bill (and the old nurbs implementation uses the nmg structures for the topological structure) |
| 03:51.03 | brlcad | but they're much more heavily used as a polygonal structure as you've noticed |
| 03:51.07 | brlcad | (nmgs) |
| 03:53.50 | Briggs_ | right. |
| 03:58.28 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.4 posted this weekend (20080313) || GSoC 2009 Begins! | |
| 04:15.34 | Axman6 | Release 7.14.4 posted this weekend (20080313) ? |
| 04:15.44 | Axman6 | that's... a little while ago right? |
| 04:30.26 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:30.45 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.4 posted this weekend (20090313) || GSoC 2009 Begins! | |
| 04:37.10 | Axman6 | :) |
| 04:38.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34036 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/other/Makefile.am): |
| 04:38.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: FINALLY - make distcheck passes with src/other/step added in. Need to revisit |
| 04:38.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: the handling of yylineno in express, but otherwise no major known issues. Right |
| 04:38.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: now no test logic is hooked up, and probably isn't needed for BRL-CAD purposes. |
| 04:51.33 | ``Erik | wow, why didn't I notice that the first time... she's eating sushi the right way |
| 04:51.41 | ``Erik | bsg... with her fingers O.o |
| 05:01.12 | Axman6 | what is the right way to eat sushi? |
| 05:09.31 | Axman6 | pokes ``Erik in the sushi roll |
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| 11:27.47 | brlcad | starseeker: hm, you made it harder for yourself trying to mix a white background with a black background but it's certainly a start |
| 11:29.20 | brlcad | I'd suggest ditching the contrast, maybe just go with the tire taking up a third of a page, then blend the logo into the opposite corner, then use the remaining two corners for the info |
| 11:29.54 | brlcad | and you don't need to make it speculative -- we'll know on monday |
| 11:30.01 | brlcad | dates are on the timeline |
| 11:33.26 | brlcad | logo is here: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/list?can=2&q=logo+2009&colspec=Filename+Summary+Uploaded+Size+DownloadCount |
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| 13:32.02 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 13:34.12 | ``Erik | _sushi_: I was just cleaning up a directory, saw a file named 'thread.c' and was trying to figure out if it was an experiment to test/break some kernel threading capability, took me a bit to realize it was your bolt generator... that's another reason for proper informative comments (license, author, purpose) at the beginning of a source file :D |
| 13:35.38 | ``Erik | brlcad: bz doesn't have any single player capability, does it? I'm preparing a travel care package here :) |
| 13:35.58 | brlcad | it does, it's just not fun |
| 13:36.11 | brlcad | you can start your own server and play against bots |
| 13:36.25 | brlcad | good for newbies, but gets old real fast |
| 13:36.29 | ``Erik | hm |
| 13:36.43 | ``Erik | I think I'd rather hack code, then |
| 13:36.49 | ``Erik | sounds like weak bots |
| 13:38.01 | ``Erik | uhm, I got mysql and apache running, but I haven't tested anything. In all likelyhood, a lot of the php pages will fail due to missing dependancies |
| 13:38.25 | brlcad | they're actually pretty good bots |
| 13:38.29 | ``Erik | and for all I know, none of the tables survived transport... a combination of laziness and ethics prevents me from digging in |
| 13:38.34 | brlcad | especially when they swarm you in numbers |
| 13:38.39 | ``Erik | good strategically, or technically? |
| 13:38.54 | brlcad | a little of both |
| 13:38.56 | ``Erik | I enjoy sloppy but strategic bots, precise immediate bots are no fun |
| 13:39.16 | brlcad | they lean towards the latter slightly |
| 13:40.07 | ``Erik | I think starcraft was an excellent example of how to do them... they messed up a lot, but the bot was reasonably forward thinking... definitely not human class, but enough that appropriate strategy and tactics were required to dominate :) |
| 13:40.32 | ``Erik | quake style aimbot things are just not fun :) |
| 13:40.50 | ``Erik | will code, instaed |
| 13:40.53 | ``Erik | instead |
| 13:41.26 | ``Erik | mebbe look at how libdm can be used for a 'rich' immediate display, for a public adrt client |
| 13:41.39 | ``Erik | provided the battery holds out :/ |
| 13:41.42 | brlcad | that'd be cool |
| 13:42.17 | ``Erik | do you know if they got rid of that 'no extra laptop battery on flights' rule? |
| 13:42.51 | ``Erik | (heh, or how they'd react to bringing an extra laptop to circumvent that fucktarded rule) |
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| 13:42.53 | brlcad | I've never stopped carrying two and never had a problem |
| 13:43.18 | ``Erik | hm, was a link on smacksnot, I might have to buy a second for my macbook, even though I haven't gotten close to dead yet |
| 13:43.54 | ``Erik | heh, mebbe I'll look into that gimpy mouse behavior, or mebbe I'll just hack lisp code so I can retire :D |
| 13:44.11 | ``Erik | either way, I won't be randomly jabbering on irc, so something good might happen O:-) |
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| 15:13.14 | ``Erik | I LOVE COMCAST! |
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| 15:25.17 | brlcad | starseeker: hmm, better blend of the two images with the tire and moko but still several issues -- text needs a different font, would be nice to showcase tire better/bigger, bullets look cheesy (gov't is already messing with ya, eh?), url should be a one-liner, and the gsoc logo image clashes (maybe make the entire footer that color) |
| 15:28.20 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:28.41 | ``Erik | :( I envy you, the dirty reality of protecting you is fucking brutal |
| 15:28.42 | ``Erik | :( |
| 15:47.11 | brlcad | wonders what ``Erik is talking about |
| 15:49.22 | brlcad | btw, looks like fancast only has some of hulu and other shows |
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| 19:31.16 | bjorkintosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.44 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: kind of an open-ended question |
| 19:34.29 | brlcad | decent content and animation modeler |
| 19:35.19 | bjorkintosh | have you used it much? |
| 19:36.03 | brlcad | I've followed and used blender long before it was ever open source |
| 19:36.40 | bjorkintosh | so how would you compare it's purposes with brl cad's? |
| 19:36.41 | brlcad | more following than using, and the little use I have had is quickly forgotten |
| 19:36.47 | bjorkintosh | are they more or less the same? |
| 19:36.55 | bjorkintosh | ah |
| 19:36.55 | brlcad | eh |
| 19:36.56 | brlcad | less |
| 19:37.13 | brlcad | it's like comparing maya to catia |
| 19:37.25 | bjorkintosh | makes sense. |
| 19:37.29 | brlcad | they have so little to do with each other beyond the "it does modeling" |
| 19:37.45 | brlcad | how they do it and for what purposes and with what fidelity is completely different |
| 19:37.56 | brlcad | the same holds for brl-cad and blender |
| 19:38.23 | brlcad | blender would make for a horrible cad system and we make for a horrible content modeler |
| 19:39.04 | brlcad | and no, you can't really do both -- the domains are massive and separate |
| 20:13.55 | Briggs_ | nods |
| 20:14.09 | Briggs_ | blender would stink at cad. |
| 20:15.38 | Briggs_ | although there are some people who only use a small sub-set of what most CAD systems provide and have been able to get by with doing just a small bit of additional scripting/tools in Blender. |
| 20:21.40 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
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| 21:08.18 | starseeker | invites someone else to attack the poster question - art skills are not his forte |
| 21:08.45 | starseeker | will keep trying if he must, but the odds aren't promising :-/ |
| 21:11.25 | starseeker | brlcad: <snort> that logo would clash with anything |
| 21:13.00 | starseeker | contemplates distorting the logo... |
| 21:17.15 | brlcad | starseeker: it's an improvement over the first, just still with some issues :) |
| 21:17.48 | brlcad | the logo clashes because it's free-floating and has a hard corner |
| 21:18.03 | starseeker | ok, working on that - give me a sec |
| 21:18.09 | brlcad | that top-left has to "disappear" |
| 21:18.43 | starseeker | uh - the tire? |
| 21:19.00 | brlcad | either as a fade (which would be incredibly hard to do well) or as a footer or corner or similar ornamentation |
| 21:19.04 | madant_ | where where :) is the flyer ? |
| 21:19.09 | brlcad | no, the top-left to the logo |
| 21:19.15 | brlcad | the tire looks good |
| 21:19.23 | brlcad | should emphasize it, make it bigger |
| 21:19.32 | brlcad | madant_: not ready :) |
| 21:20.00 | madant_ | i meant is the work in progress online ? :) |
| 21:20.49 | madant_ | does not like power outages |
| 21:22.15 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:25.33 | starseeker | brlcad: a fade like this better? http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/poster2a.png |
| 21:25.40 | starseeker | goes to get food |
| 21:29.44 | brlcad | yeah, that's much better |
| 21:30.21 | brlcad | I made a redirect if you want to shorten the url, http://brlcad.org/wiki/GSoC |
| 21:32.48 | brlcad | woot, distcheck passes |
| 21:33.38 | alex_joni | brlcad: started reading the HACKING page (following the GSoC link), and I noticed a minor typo (incouraged vs. encouraged).. |
| 21:34.36 | madant_ | looks good .. openmoko in the background ? |
| 21:35.24 | alex_joni | yeah, teh flyer is nice .. the only thing I don't like about it is the GSoC logo, but that's google's fault ;) |
| 21:35.47 | madant_ | yeah.. even the t-shirt i got was childish :P with flowers :D |
| 22:41.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34038 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: fix an incouraged typo alex_joni noticed as well as a half-dozen others noticed. |
| 22:42.36 | brlcad | thx alex_joni |
| 23:26.23 | bjorkintosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.27 | elite01 | pervert :( |
| 01:09.53 | bjorkintosh | what's perverted about f#? |
| 01:47.44 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: he was talking about you, not f# ;) |
| 01:48.15 | bjorkintosh | hah |
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| 04:25.30 | Ralith | lol |
| 07:01.18 | madant_ | loves waking up at 12 pm on a sunday :) |
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| 07:37.12 | Kamran | hi all |
| 07:38.16 | Kamran | i want to work for brlcad |
| 07:38.24 | Kamran | in this summer |
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| 09:28.18 | madant_ | Kamran: you mean GSoC ? |
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| 12:29.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: fix two bugs in rtwizard: 1) perspective mode changes aren't applied when you |
| 12:29.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: hit cancel, they actually revert back now and 2) occlusion mode no longer spews |
| 12:29.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: an error about an unknown variable, and subsequently no longer provides |
| 12:29.38 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: superfluous apply/cancel buttons either. |
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| 15:08.53 | cadefy | hi there |
| 15:09.01 | cadefy | does this channel help with AutoCAD? |
| 15:21.12 | louipc | not generally |
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| 16:49.06 | tedcx | anyone able to help getting a framebuffer working? I have 2 nvidia 9500GT caards in xinerama dual display mode. |
| 16:53.48 | brlcad | tedcx: what's the problem exactly? |
| 16:56.33 | tedcx | exec fbserv 1 /dev/fb & fb_open: no such device "/dev/fb; I have a fresh compile of 7.14 on an Intel Nehalem chip - am trudging thru the mug.g demo ; have the wire frame up and would like to ray trace |
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| 17:09.10 | tedcx | brb |
| 17:24.49 | brlcad | /dev/fb isn't a valid device, those are brl-cad device identifiers |
| 17:27.30 | brlcad | run 'fbhelp' outside of mged (or exec fbhelp) to see the devices available, but I suspect you need either /dev/X or /dev/wgl |
| 17:28.39 | brlcad | if you want a quick ray trace, though, just run "rt" |
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| 17:30.20 | brlcad | howdy dtidrow |
| 17:31.48 | dtidrow | howdy :-) |
| 17:31.56 | dtidrow | been awhile |
| 17:32.59 | brlcad | indeed |
| 17:33.11 | brlcad | keeping busy? |
| 17:33.32 | dtidrow | yeah |
| 17:34.07 | dtidrow | now that the weather's getting nice again, I can start working on the yard |
| 17:34.28 | brlcad | got any interesting coding projects going on? |
| 17:34.56 | dtidrow | stuff at work is keeping me busy |
| 17:35.14 | brlcad | so nothing really interesting :) |
| 17:36.03 | dtidrow | this week is going to be rough - both projects I'm working on at work have demos, so I'm gonna be busy getting those up and running |
| 17:36.09 | dtidrow | something like that ;-) |
| 17:36.53 | dtidrow | did I mention that I've relocated to MI? |
| 17:37.07 | brlcad | a few months back, yes? |
| 17:37.28 | dtidrow | back in July, yes |
| 17:37.36 | brlcad | yeah, you did mention it |
| 17:37.41 | dtidrow | didn't remember if I had mentioned that |
| 17:38.14 | brlcad | so more than six months now, was it a good move? |
| 17:38.37 | dtidrow | one of the guys in the area I work in has the BRL-CAD t72 rendering as his wallpaper ;-) |
| 17:39.08 | dtidrow | so far, though it'll depend on how much DoD gets cut |
| 17:39.53 | dtidrow | if both FCS and EFV get chopped, it could get ugly |
| 17:39.54 | brlcad | neat! |
| 17:40.17 | dtidrow | also, I'm not doing much in the way of graphics programming, which is disappointing |
| 17:40.22 | brlcad | well, not the ugly part but the wallpaper ;) |
| 17:40.35 | dtidrow | yeah, gathered that ;-) |
| 17:42.25 | dtidrow | actually I had an old co-worker that would 'neat' in a satirical manner, so it works both ways |
| 17:42.42 | dtidrow | would _use_ 'neat', rather |
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| 19:52.17 | tedcx | seems like ray tracing after exec fbserv 1 /dev/ogl & works for a while but the screens freeze up --- I have dual monitors connected to each of 2 nvidia cards - what is the best setup? maybe add a 3rd card and monitor with its own X server? |
| 19:57.09 | brlcad | tedcx: that really depends on your preferences and requirements |
| 19:57.24 | brlcad | use /dev/X instead of /dev/ogl |
| 19:57.46 | brlcad | the ogl driver provokes various bugs in glx driver implementations and various X servers |
| 19:58.08 | tedcx | OK |
| 19:58.38 | brlcad | otherwise, any combination should work so long as X is configured properly |
| 19:58.42 | tedcx | I presume I can ignore Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 19:58.54 | brlcad | so long as it pops up the window, yes |
| 19:59.11 | tedcx | sure dows |
| 19:59.17 | tedcx | does |
| 19:59.37 | brlcad | might want to tell the server how big of a context you intend to use, e.g. -S1024 |
| 20:02.01 | tedcx | just did - works fine |
| 20:02.48 | dreeves | brlcad did you see the question I asked you directly? |
| 20:03.05 | tedcx | any way to use the nvidia hardware or is it best to blit to the frame bufffer - |
| 20:03.12 | tedcx | yes I used -s1024 |
| 20:05.36 | brlcad | dreeves: the issue is a workable nurbs implementation didn't exist so we're in the process of implementing said support |
| 20:06.43 | brlcad | there's a lot of old code that stay wrote that does just about everything except trimmed nurbs, but does it very very slowly (using a very old ray evaluation technique) and it has acne problems |
| 20:07.41 | brlcad | so implementing it over again (starting with newer research from rt06), it now supports trims and ray-traces but isn't yet stable/robust/fast/finished/etc |
| 20:11.05 | dreeves | ok is there a good example of a .g that causes problems I can play around with? |
| 20:11.52 | brlcad | in order to implement a solution that we can claim is "crack-free" air-tight, we're going to reapproach the current ray-tracing (which is probably 80% of the way there) in a piecewise fashion |
| 20:12.29 | brlcad | there are docs in doc/brep.txt and doc/TODO.BREP that explain a little more detail |
| 20:12.57 | dreeves | ok |
| 20:13.39 | brlcad | there are testing apps in src/proc-db/brep* that will make a nurbs brep .g |
| 20:14.04 | brlcad | and do well to explain how the brep's are pieced together |
| 20:14.19 | brlcad | the openNURBS library is what we're using for the container format (src/other/openNURBS) |
| 20:14.31 | brlcad | that pretty much works as promised very nicely |
| 20:14.46 | brlcad | alas, though, openNURBS doesn't provide ray-tracing |
| 20:14.49 | brlcad | that's what we have to implement |
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| 21:13.21 | dreeves | btw thanks for the info |
| 21:14.04 | brlcad | np |
| 21:34.02 | brlcad | so we need to expand our ideas list |
| 21:34.04 | brlcad | attach potential mentors |
| 21:34.06 | brlcad | and describe requisite skills |
| 21:35.25 | brlcad | starseeker, ``Erik, yukonbob, madant_, d-lo, whomever else is potentially interested in mentoring or being mentored ;) |
| 21:45.30 | madant_ | k |
| 21:54.48 | brlcad | what a great site.. http://janitor.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 21:55.23 | brlcad | to have so many devs that you dedicate a site and set of projects to "code cleanup" :) |
| 21:57.48 | louipc | that is cool |
| 21:58.55 | madant_ | :) hmm.. linux kernel an open source success :) |
| 21:59.30 | louipc | gnu also :D |
| 22:00.16 | madant_ | i wonder when hurd is going to be great .. |
| 22:06.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1251 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: revert back to more ideas instead of less, need to restructure |
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| 23:13.49 | starseeker | brlcad: Well, I know you didn't like the font and aren't likely to care for any I have available, so here's a template without any of the text: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/poster_template.png |
| 23:28.36 | brlcad | starseeker: hehe |
| 23:29.38 | brlcad | how about without the tire and the text box, tire as separate image (so I can re-add/move it if needed) |
| 01:01.10 | yukonbob | brlcad: re: gsoc -- we need to have a front-and-center permalink to the GSOC wiki on the main website... |
| 01:01.39 | yukonbob | re: mentoring -- I'd consider helping however I can... |
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| 01:22.25 | brlcad | yukonbob: was planning on adding a news item if we get accepted, but yeah, it would be nice to have a better more visible link |
| 01:27.41 | yukonbob | nods... |
| 01:29.06 | yukonbob | brlcad: I'm -=happy=- to help however I can, if you (or anybody else) thinks I can assist. |
| 01:31.37 | yukonbob | my sched is pretty booked, but, as I said, if I can help, let me know how. |
| 01:31.51 | yukonbob | (re: booked -- full time work :P ) |
| 01:36.24 | yukonbob | starseeker: fwiw, I don't think the wheel should have the 'schematics' in the background 'bleed-through' it; ie: turn the transparency in the wheel assembly off. (on my $0.02). |
| 01:36.28 | yukonbob | *only my |
| 01:41.55 | starseeker | brlcad: sure, one sec |
| 01:42.35 | starseeker | yukonbob: there are a few ways to do it - I was going for the "fade" from design to reality |
| 01:42.52 | yukonbob | starseeker: hi :) |
| 01:42.56 | starseeker | howdy :-) |
| 01:43.13 | yukonbob | I see the fade from wireframe -> "reality", and I like it. |
| 01:43.32 | starseeker | let me get the core images up for brlcad quick |
| 01:43.33 | yukonbob | what I'm talking about is the subtle "schematics" in the background showing through the "real" rim |
| 01:43.51 | starseeker | you mean the moko schematics? |
| 01:44.05 | yukonbob | I guess so :) |
| 01:44.16 | brlcad | yukonbob: I'm sure you can assist (e.g., could be a backup mentor again, could work on that visible link) |
| 01:44.30 | brlcad | could also work on the ideas page |
| 01:44.40 | yukonbob | hey brlcad : |
| 01:44.43 | yukonbob | :) |
| 01:44.50 | brlcad | that needs to be separated into two categories -- high priority and secondary (or something similar) |
| 01:44.54 | brlcad | hi :) |
| 01:45.33 | brlcad | also could use some more items, few refactoring code cleanup tasks would be good |
| 01:46.01 | yukonbob | would toss "convert bwish to a "standard wish/tlcsh loadable module" |
| 01:46.04 | yukonbob | into that list. |
| 01:46.22 | yukonbob | *wish/tclsh |
| 01:46.36 | brlcad | sure, go for it |
| 01:49.17 | starseeker | brlcad: here you go: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/gsoc/ |
| 01:50.13 | starseeker | let me know if you want the non-transparent version of the tire |
| 02:03.57 | yukonbob | will add to bwish to wiki list tonight, and look at organizing whole list...; am now in transit. |
| 02:08.15 | brlcad | starseeker: could use a bigger tire |
| 02:08.27 | brlcad | yukonbob: cool, thx |
| 02:09.08 | brlcad | we have to have the list finalized by noon (EDT) |
| 02:09.23 | brlcad | that's when they'll review our app |
| 02:12.18 | dreeves | brlcad looking at extrude.c in librt in the rt_extrude_shot function it doesn't appear to ever free the memory for the normals that are allocated in the FindRoots function... |
| 02:17.14 | brlcad | dreeves: not surprising, that's a bit of code that is rarely ever used |
| 02:17.28 | brlcad | it shouldn't be allocating memory at all |
| 02:17.44 | brlcad | calling a malloc in the middle of a ray shot is very bad |
| 02:17.46 | dreeves | Yeah that is what I was looking into just to get my feet wet |
| 02:17.59 | brlcad | there's a todo entry to make it work without alloc |
| 02:18.05 | dreeves | I saw that on your list of things todo |
| 02:18.10 | brlcad | ah, cool |
| 02:19.52 | brlcad | if anything, it could batch them or preallocate during prep, but it really would be best to avoid allocation altogether to compute the roots |
| 02:20.32 | brlcad | and even better still to get an arbitrary degree curve polynomial root solver into libbn |
| 02:20.54 | brlcad | there is a polynomial solver in libbn, but is compile-time wired to a given max degree |
| 02:22.00 | dreeves | I was thinking in the prep function |
| 02:22.44 | dreeves | I'm thinking about it but seems like an arbitrary degree curve is what is standing in the way of getting rid of the alloc's |
| 02:24.16 | dreeves | obviously but I'm sure we once we know the degree of the curve we can pre allocate the memory but the problem is management of that memory that is what I'm working on right now |
| 02:24.52 | dreeves | I will go check out libbn |
| 02:28.56 | brlcad | starseeker: never mind, took care of it |
| 02:29.30 | brlcad | dreeves: yeah |
| 02:32.42 | brlcad | also, the solver in libbn probably isn't the right type or have the right stability conditions -- would take a bit of testing to verify its use |
| 02:38.10 | dreeves | Yeah I assume you are talking about the root solvers in poly.c so yeah those seem to be specialized cases of root finders not somuch I can adjust the max degree then recompile...I was going to experiment with the test case of the sketch to just call to that root finder vs the one findroots just to see the impact on performance but that's ok I think I can work with the find roots |
| 02:38.27 | starseeker | brlcad: just resize, or re-render? |
| 02:38.42 | brlcad | starseeker: never mind :) |
| 02:38.59 | brlcad | can you repost your last version? |
| 02:44.29 | starseeker | of the poster? uh, one sec... |
| 02:45.17 | brlcad | yeah |
| 02:46.43 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/gsoc/poster2a.png |
| 02:46.49 | starseeker | that one? |
| 02:48.44 | brlcad | yep, thanks |
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| 03:34.55 | brlcad | how about this? http://brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/brlcad_gsoc2009_poster.png |
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| 03:56.04 | louipc | looks rustic |
| 04:11.54 | starseeker | brlcad: font's a bit hard to read, but looks good |
| 04:13.25 | brlcad | starseeker: which one? |
| 04:14.03 | starseeker | the "Interested in 3D CAD Software?" one |
| 04:15.01 | starseeker | but obviously my design chops are minimal - I would have cheerfully used the previous fonts ;-) |
| 04:16.06 | starseeker | I don't know how workable it is, but would it be possible to have an orange "fill color" in the brlcad.org/wiki/gsoc link, to match the logo next to it? |
| 04:18.20 | brlcad | nah, that's good feedback |
| 04:18.33 | brlcad | had the same inclination, but always good to hear it from others to confirm |
| 04:18.50 | brlcad | that's the point of getting a critique :) |
| 04:19.31 | starseeker | critiquing artwork probably comes under the "net negative producer" you studied in that management class, as a rule ;-) |
| 04:19.41 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:20.04 | starseeker | 's thought was that an "engineering" app should strive for a crisp, clean look... |
| 04:20.23 | starseeker | unfortuantely that's waaaay to easy to make into "default and boring" |
| 04:28.28 | brlcad | true, would normally go for that, but then the logo becomes even more distracting |
| 04:28.56 | brlcad | easier to follow that style than fight it given it's so distinct |
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| 04:40.40 | starseeker | fight the good fight! ;-) |
| 04:47.50 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/brlcad_gsoc2009_poster2.png |
| 05:01.12 | starseeker | yeah, that works better :-) |
| 05:02.27 | starseeker | What do you think about the Google Summer of Code 2009... paragraph? does it need a non-white fill? I'm not sure, just asking |
| 05:21.15 | brlcad | hm, http://brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/brlcad_gsoc2009_poster3.png |
| 05:23.49 | starseeker | yeah, I like that |
| 05:23.54 | starseeker | that one gets my vote :-) |
| 05:25.12 | starseeker | brlcad: should the color bar fade ins be parallel to the tire fade in, or should the light sides be on the right? |
| 05:25.38 | starseeker | is wondering if the left side looks "washed out" if all the fading is on that side |
| 05:25.56 | starseeker | would mean the logo would be on the left though... |
| 05:25.58 | starseeker | hmm |
| 05:26.09 | brlcad | it washes out if there's too much transparency |
| 05:26.23 | brlcad | and it's unbalanced if it's just solid |
| 05:30.34 | dreeves | I got rid of the memory allocation from the root find but it only increased the speed by 30% is that what you would expect? or more increase? |
| 05:30.56 | starseeker | yeah, I think you've got it brlcad |
| 05:31.01 | starseeker | nice job |
| 05:37.36 | brlcad | dreeves: I would expect a fair bit more, but depends on how many bezier's are in the sketch |
| 05:37.56 | dreeves | just 1 |
| 05:38.12 | dreeves | It's the sketch you attached to the tracker |
| 05:41.00 | yukonbob | re: solid block in gsoc poster vs. fading block (and text fill-colour): too bad it's unbalanced... that block ("balance of poster" vs. text readability) is at odds with itself... |
| 05:41.14 | dreeves | I just focused on the root finder because I clocked it and it was taking about 93% of the overall time to raytrace |
| 05:41.58 | yukonbob | brlcad: do you have an example of the solid block, for comparison's sake? |
| 05:42.39 | yukonbob | if they're both (top and bottom) solid, does the poster look "out of balance"? |
| 05:44.13 | brlcad | dreeves: 93% sounds about right .. that's why I'd expect more than 30% if it drops to near zero |
| 05:47.04 | dreeves | ok drilled down into some of the funcs called from findRoots and noticed they are allocing mem to |
| 05:47.10 | dreeves | will work on those |
| 05:53.31 | brlcad | mallocs show up as a real hot spot on the profiler if they occur during any *_shot() evaluation (even once per ray) |
| 06:07.21 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/brlcad_gsoc2009_poster4.png |
| 06:13.52 | yukonbob | brlcad: that looks better, imo. Here's what else I'd consider: Make the wheel assembly -not- transparent in any way; no 'bleeding' of the schematic through the wheel; the wheel simply fades across itself from wireframe to raytraced. The mask for the wheel is 100% (ie: solid) for everything that describes the wheel, but nothing that's blank. The bottom layer is the OpenMoko schematic, the middle layer are the bars&text (solid, or at least |
| 06:15.23 | yukonbob | The net effect would be the wheel covers everything, the bars are more solid (making the text more readable), and the openmoko gfx is showing in all other areas. |
| 06:15.53 | yukonbob | the mask for the wheel could be the image of the wheel itself, with some hand edits around the wireframe section on the left. |
| 06:17.02 | yukonbob | The mask would be a completely solid blob... (ie: the holes in the rim would show white, not openmoko gfx). |
| 06:19.19 | yukonbob | in fact... I think I'd adjust the mask for the wireframe to move the visibility left -- it looks like some of the wireframe hits the text in the top bar |
| 06:20.49 | yukonbob | would install GIMP if he wasn't in middle of re-building world |
| 06:20.59 | yukonbob | what's the due-date for this poster? |
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| 06:24.55 | brlcad | it's not worth spending a whole lot more time on, frankly |
| 06:25.03 | yukonbob | hehe |
| 06:25.04 | yukonbob | :) |
| 06:25.07 | brlcad | but technically, it's not "due" .. just good marketing |
| 06:25.13 | brlcad | after acceptance |
| 06:28.06 | yukonbob | is GIMP project? |
| 06:28.24 | brlcad | photoshop |
| 06:28.37 | yukonbob | ah |
| 06:28.51 | yukonbob | <-- not a photoshop person |
| 06:39.01 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/brlcad_gsoc2009_poster5.png |
| 06:39.11 | brlcad | some of those ideas |
| 06:40.43 | brlcad | not quite as big a fan of the solid bars, though, fairly plain |
| 06:41.20 | brlcad | probably would work with a really light gradient, but I think it's at a good enough point for this year |
| 06:41.40 | brlcad | need to focus on the ideas list |
| 06:46.44 | yukonbob | I think you're right re: solid bars --- I like gradient in bottom bar of poster4, though... |
| 06:47.03 | yukonbob | keeps text more readable than other gradients. |
| 06:50.02 | yukonbob | Zzzzz |
| 06:52.08 | brlcad | agrees |
| 06:52.21 | brlcad | v4 it is |
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| 07:25.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34041 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/rtwizard/lib/ (MGEDpage.itk PictureTypeBase.itcl): |
| 07:25.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: implement support to actually utilize the perspective mode setting (apparently |
| 07:25.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: it was never wired up). this makes it work though there is still some quirk |
| 07:25.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: where you sometimes need to display one of the other render 'steps' so that it |
| 07:25.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: finds the setting. |
| 07:27.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34042 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 07:27.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: implement support to actually utilize the perspective mode setting (apparently |
| 07:27.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: it was never wired up). this makes it work though there still flimsy (need the |
| 07:27.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: main view). this was noticed and requested by a few folks on and off the cad |
| 07:27.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: team (gillich and various analysts iirc). |
| 07:30.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1252 10/wiki/GSOC: Redirecting to [[Google Summer of Code]] |
| 07:31.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1253 10/wiki/Gsoc: Redirecting to [[Google Summer of Code]] |
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| 07:37.49 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brlcad gsoc2009 flyer.png]]": BRL-CAD GSoC 2009 Flyer |
| 07:40.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1255 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2008: add the 2008 flyer to give it some identity |
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| 07:41.06 | Kamran | hi all |
| 07:42.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1256 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: add the 2009 flyer |
| 07:42.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1257 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: update to the 2009 flyer |
| 07:44.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1258 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Flyers: start a gallery |
| 07:46.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1259 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: link to the flyers page |
| 07:46.50 | brlcad | howdy Kamran |
| 07:50.56 | Kamran | i want to work on Web-based solid geometry model repository |
| 07:53.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1260 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: organize into high-priority and other |
| 07:53.21 | brlcad | what can you tell me about that task? |
| 07:53.39 | brlcad | (that are you ideas for it, I know what's on the ideas page) |
| 07:56.18 | Kamran | we can save the geomatries in xml formats |
| 07:56.38 | Kamran | and then publish that xml in repository for sharing |
| 07:59.30 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1261 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: link to the design movie for the gui task |
| 08:00.50 | brlcad | Kamran: hm, the problem there would be that we have a format already -- introducing xml on the backend would provide very little gain and be rather cumbersome to accomplish efficiently |
| 08:01.31 | brlcad | this can't be just some generic model repository, it needs to relate to our tools and formats for engineering and solid modeling purposes |
| 08:02.27 | brlcad | e.g. if xml was going to be on the backend, i'd think STEP-XML would make a better choice than anything we'd come up with in a summer for compatibility, but that is a beast in itself (and you could probably spend all summer writing a converter) |
| 08:03.43 | Kamran | so how a student can achieve it using Drupal or Mediawiki? |
| 08:04.16 | Kamran | i think if converter is implmented that would be, it will be achieved? |
| 08:06.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1262 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* Web-based solid geometry model repository */ add some notes as this tends to be a hot topic |
| 08:06.19 | brlcad | Kamran: no te entiendo |
| 08:07.08 | brlcad | drupal/mediawiki just provide a plugin framework from which to work in, with the point being that it's not a fully custom system that someone has to wade through later |
| 08:07.50 | brlcad | there are other options like a rails project, possibly ajax, or some other framework .. just not completely/mostly home-grown |
| 08:08.53 | brlcad | as for the converter, my point was that we have a compact and efficient .g file format as well as a couple dozen importers and exporters -- ideally, models could be automatically stored and converted between the various supported formats |
| 08:10.07 | Kamran | if i have to work on this web-based repository, i have to patach the repository or not? |
| 08:12.41 | brlcad | patch the repository? |
| 08:12.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1263 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* Additional Projects */ all is not lost. |
| 08:13.02 | brlcad | you're making a repository .. it's a matter of what goes into the repository and how you store things |
| 08:13.03 | Kamran | yes |
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| 08:18.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1264 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: add difficulties |
| 08:19.59 | brlcad | Kamran: brl-cad is a collection of more than 400 tools, to suggest a model repository, your proposal should reference which tools you will be using and how -- I'd suggest checking out the source code and reading HACKING and src/README for starters (there's a section on the various dirs) |
| 08:20.34 | Kamran | thanks |
| 08:34.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1265 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: add a bug-fix task and annotate the 2008 projects |
| 08:34.33 | brlcad | np |
| 08:48.52 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1266 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: merge mged and archer |
| 08:54.33 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1267 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* CSG evaluation of Boundary Representations */ boole and esolid |
| 08:58.30 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1268 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* Geometry database (i.e. ".g" file format) enhancements */ |
| 08:59.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1269 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: swap |
| 09:09.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1270 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: implict to explicit brep support |
| 09:21.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1271 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: fixed precision project |
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| 10:26.37 | madant_ | brlcad: nice fonts ;) |
| 10:28.22 | madant_ | starseeker: :) I like the poster |
| 10:54.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Homovulgaris 07http://brlcad.org * r1272 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* Constraints and Parametrics */ Short Introduction added |
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| 13:02.46 | starseeker | madant_: thanks :-) |
| 13:03.03 | starseeker | brlcad pulled it together |
| 13:03.19 | starseeker | just took some screenshots and blended 'em |
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| 14:39.18 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1273 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: AquaTk MGED |
| 14:41.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1274 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* Additional Projects */ |
| 14:49.31 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1275 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: add initial mentor list |
| 14:50.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1276 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* Mentors */ |
| 14:52.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1277 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* High Priority Projects */ |
| 14:54.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1278 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: move mentors to the end |
| 14:55.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1279 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: don't link to contact page, requires login |
| 14:57.54 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1280 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Getting started */ don't be redundant |
| 14:59.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1281 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Getting started */ |
| 15:00.49 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1282 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Getting started */ reword |
| 15:03.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1283 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: /* Previous years BRL-CAD has participated */ |
| 15:09.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1284 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: link both posters |
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| 16:16.26 | starseeker | brlcad: any idea when they'll announce the projects chosen? |
| 16:17.47 | d-lo | 18th I thought.... |
| 16:20.14 | ashishrai | hey !! where are the project ideas for BRL-CAD - can u please give the specific link :) |
| 16:20.21 | ashishrai | for GSoC |
| 16:20.57 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 16:21.16 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas |
| 16:21.36 | ashishrai | starseeker: thanks :) |
| 16:21.39 | starseeker | remember though, selected orgs aren't known yet |
| 16:22.07 | ashishrai | brlcad will be :) |
| 16:22.21 | brlcad | ashishrai: it's not guaranteed |
| 16:22.41 | brlcad | probably 80/20 chances |
| 16:23.02 | ashishrai | i just hope so |
| 16:23.04 | ashishrai | :) |
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| 17:07.11 | tedcx | How do we get rid of jaggies in the renderings? |
| 17:07.44 | starseeker | uh... higher resolution render? |
| 17:07.57 | starseeker | depends on whether it's a geometry issue |
| 17:09.46 | brlcad | tedcx: you can either turn on jittering (e.g. -j8) or increase your render size and scale down (recommended) or both (for best quality) |
| 17:13.12 | tedcx | is jittering "dithering"? |
| 17:15.28 | brlcad | nope |
| 17:15.55 | brlcad | normally when you render an image, rays are fired in the exact center of a given pixel |
| 17:16.10 | brlcad | jittering has it fire randomly within the pixel to avoid aliasing artifacts |
| 17:17.49 | brlcad | -j8 means fire 8 random rays and it then picks the most consistent result (doesn't average/smooth the values still for various reasons) |
| 17:18.26 | brlcad | thinks there needs to be a jitter-style option that does averaging |
| 17:21.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34043 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: implement a jitter-style averaging option for rt |
| 17:25.48 | tedcx | and are the "framebuffers" just that or does the "ogl" really write ogl to whatever graphics card you happen to have? |
| 17:31.57 | starseeker | glares as rt enters some kind of colorview loop |
| 17:37.06 | brlcad | tedcx: the framebuffer type is a framebuffer communications layer detail, just what protocol it talks to the framebuffer with |
| 17:37.27 | brlcad | all the framebuffers are raster contexts, the display managers are 3D contexts |
| 17:38.22 | brlcad | so the ogl framebuffer does end up making OpenGL calls to on an OpenGL context, but that doesn't mean it's 3D data that you can spin around (because it's a framebuffer, i.e., a raster image display) |
| 17:44.49 | brlcad | nice quote.. "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." |
| 17:44.53 | brlcad | from Kernigan |
| 17:45.09 | d-lo | lol |
| 17:45.10 | brlcad | or this one, Einstein: "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." |
| 17:47.13 | brlcad | hah, fantastic... "The end is the same for everybody. We're all worm food." |
| 17:48.04 | archivist | was Kernigan responsible for the index entry for recursion in the C book |
| 17:48.47 | archivist | which of course points to the index page |
| 17:48.47 | ``Erik | recursion: see recursion. ? |
| 17:49.35 | archivist | index at back og the second edition |
| 17:49.52 | brlcad | this must be cool quote day |
| 17:49.55 | brlcad | "If you need to cut, there's no tool as good as a sharp knife. If you need to turn a screw, a sharp knife probably isn't the right tool. If you have a guy who's a sharp knife, and you're using him to turn screws, maybe the problem isn't him. Maybe the problem is you." |
| 17:50.39 | ``Erik | cool, where's that from? |
| 17:51.25 | louipc | that is a good one |
| 17:51.31 | brlcad | random /. user quote |
| 18:03.01 | starseeker | hmm - "imperfection is the greatness of man" |
| 18:03.20 | starseeker | not sure if it makes sense, but it sounds deep |
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| 18:30.35 | bjorkintosh | ayn rand will strongly disagree. |
| 18:32.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34044 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/gqa.c: Added code to free rtip. |
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| 21:22.38 | starseeker | is mildly bemused by the slashdot discussion of quirky programmers |
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| 21:41.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34045 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/README: Add a few notes on the current state of the STEP libraries. Since things are now passing distcheck, pass the baton over to the 'make functionality fixes and develop new functionality' folk. |
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| 22:58.40 | bjorkintosh | there's another type besides the quirky? |
| 23:14.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34046 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob fixed a tiny memory leak in gqa making it free the rtip |
| 23:33.18 | brlcad | starseeker: you did more than just take screenshots and blend them -- set up the whole framework for the design |
| 23:33.22 | brlcad | thanks |
| 23:34.10 | brlcad | i just did the typesetting |
| 00:02.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34047 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 00:02.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: annotate keith bowman's first commit. he fixed mged's qorot command to properly |
| 00:02.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: rotate around a vector. this fixes sf bug 2663014 (qorot does not rotate around |
| 00:02.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: vector) reported by dwayne. was previously rotating around the origin instead |
| 00:02.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: of the provided xyz point. |
| 00:04.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34048 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: additional info about indianlarry |
| 00:21.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34049 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (archer/archer.bat mged/mged.bat util/rtwizard.bat): bah, these weren't updated for release. *really* should not have version numbers in these files, nor should it be necessary to set BRLCAD_DATA even on Windows. |
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| 01:15.40 | madant | Kernigan was a smart chap :) |
| 01:16.04 | madant | so was Gould : "We pass through this world but once. Few tragedies can be more extensive than the stunting of life, few injustices deeper than the denial of an opportunity to strive or even to hope, by a limit imposed from without, but falsely identified as lying within." |
| 01:16.34 | madant | "I am somehow less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einsteins brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." |
| 01:34.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34050 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 01:34.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: keith changed the rpp vertex ordering affecting typein and display with rpp's |
| 01:34.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: now matching arb8 vertex ordering. this addresses an unexpected behavior bug |
| 01:34.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: reported by dwaynelk in sf bug 2663183 (arb8/rpp vertex order different) |
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| 01:39.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34051 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: keith fixed another bug reported by dwayne where the mirror command was incorrectly handling an rcc's radii resulting in non-perpendicular height vectors. this was reported in sf bug 2679693 (mirror error). |
| 01:46.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34052 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 01:46.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: keith updated the clone command to utilize the same naming convention as |
| 01:46.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: build_region. this implements a long standing request from dwayne to change |
| 01:46.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: clone's naming conventions. implements sf bug/feature request 2663102 (clone |
| 01:46.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: does not name correctly) |
| 02:24.50 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34053 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need a bot-nmg capability |
| 02:26.28 | brlcad | ``Erik: irix posted a patch if you're interested in reviewing it. quick read looks like a reject, but maybe you want to do something with it. |
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| 08:28.49 | mafm | hi |
| 08:40.04 | brlcad | howdy! |
| 08:45.37 | madant | hi mafm |
| 08:45.48 | madant | thesis over ? |
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| 10:40.06 | d-lo | Mernin all! |
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| 11:58.50 | brlcad | hola |
| 12:02.31 | d-lo | mornin brlcad, how goes it? |
| 12:13.14 | brlcad | great |
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| 13:29.23 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 13:29.53 | ``Erik | looking at it now, brlcad, I think the data involved is either redundant or irrelevant |
| 13:30.09 | ``Erik | I'll put together a semi-polite reject message |
| 13:32.14 | brlcad | nods |
| 13:34.53 | ``Erik | ok, closed |
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| 13:37.35 | ``Erik | hrm, shoulda probably said something about vetting intended changes by me before submitting, oh well |
| 13:37.53 | ``Erik | he did dot the t's and cross the i's, though, I'm kinda impressed |
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| 13:45.00 | ``Erik | 4 lines of code, but he put in a copyright header (a little wrong with his starting date) and documented the function |
| 13:45.40 | ``Erik | needs to think of a good right-sized task for the dude |
| 14:00.46 | ``Erik | thought the mged -v woulda done it, but 'svn diff' is elusive, I guess |
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| 15:16.13 | brlcad | mged -v should have done it, but was too much |
| 15:16.33 | brlcad | wasn't just the diff, couldn't make the mod itself either |
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| 15:24.31 | dreeves | I have removed all the memory allocation from the extude solid it would appear on my machine that I got about 521% increase in speed |
| 15:24.43 | dreeves | after some clean up of the code I will submit a patch |
| 15:26.33 | brlcad | awesome! |
| 15:26.43 | brlcad | that's closer to what I would have expected :) |
| 15:27.07 | dreeves | yeah that makes a little more since |
| 15:27.27 | brlcad | actually was expecting about an order of magnitude, but 5x is good too :) |
| 15:27.28 | dreeves | That took me way longer than it should have a little rusty on the math |
| 15:27.54 | dreeves | It maybe on a better pc |
| 15:28.52 | dreeves | On my machine it is only about 13% slower than raytracing a rcc |
| 15:29.58 | dreeves | Also maybe a little more improvement I have only addressed the memory stuff in the root finder there is still a one array being allocated in shoot which I will get rid of before I submit the patch |
| 15:31.26 | brlcad | ah, yeah, there be more gains to be had then |
| 15:32.22 | dreeves | Yeah I don't expect to out perform raytracing an rcc though, do you? |
| 15:33.24 | dreeves | everything outside of the root finder only addressed about 7.5% of the total time before but of course that percentage is higher now |
| 15:36.47 | ``Erik | no,he got the mod, he kept trying to do other crap, though |
| 15:37.08 | brlcad | shouldn't outperform it, rcc should be one quadratic polynomial |
| 15:37.43 | ``Erik | hm, the root finder needs tlc, there're known issues with it |
| 15:37.49 | ``Erik | iirc |
| 15:38.13 | brlcad | interesting, http://gram.eng.uci.edu/~bobrow/papers_files/CAD_1985_NC_toolpath.pdf |
| 15:38.22 | dreeves | plus the end caps but still though I don't think it is going to get faster |
| 15:39.25 | dreeves | Well the root finder that extrude is using appears that only extrude is using it. I might be missing something though but I couldn't find anything else in brlcad that called it |
| 15:39.28 | ``Erik | btw, hiya dreeves *wave* nice to meet an old developer, I'm one of the newer ones :) |
| 15:39.43 | dreeves | hi there |
| 15:39.44 | ``Erik | hrm, there was a semi-generalized one that I believe tor used |
| 15:40.02 | brlcad | it is specific to extrude |
| 15:40.16 | dreeves | is that question? |
| 15:40.37 | ``Erik | ok, why would extrude not use the generalized one? |
| 15:40.41 | brlcad | it should have been moved up into src/librt/primitives, but was left out during the move |
| 15:41.43 | brlcad | ``Erik: arbitrary order, libbn's is hard-coded to quintic order iirc |
| 15:42.09 | ``Erik | huh, I thoguth the bn one was A) in bu and B) fully gneralized (thus the fp fuzz errors) |
| 15:42.44 | ``Erik | obviously, I'm not up to speed :) and aint' gonna be cuz I'm on vacation, later, ya'llz |
| 15:43.04 | ``Erik | missoura representin' |
| 15:43.18 | brlcad | it is generalized, just limited by array bounds (for performance and memory usage reasons) |
| 15:43.58 | madant | :) i remember it has good optimizations for quintic.. |
| 15:44.12 | madant | but i thought there was no generalized rootsolver in bn |
| 15:44.54 | dreeves | yeah I didn't see one |
| 15:45.03 | dreeves | not in bn |
| 15:45.31 | brlcad | ah right, it's still in librt |
| 15:45.42 | brlcad | bu has a few of the special cases |
| 15:45.56 | brlcad | src/librt/roots.c |
| 15:46.13 | ``Erik | that's wrong. I'll migrate it in a week or so if you don't wanna deal with it |
| 15:46.23 | brlcad | rt_poly_roots() |
| 15:46.43 | ``Erik | fails the test of least surprise |
| 15:47.13 | ``Erik | but I |
| 15:47.14 | brlcad | it wasn't put in libbn because it wasn't/isn't fully generalized (as seen by various possible instabilities when the guesses are poor or the polynomial "hard") |
| 15:47.27 | brlcad | similar to the bezier solver |
| 15:47.32 | ``Erik | I'm ignorin' all of this for a bit, got life to live :) |
| 15:47.40 | madant | :D |
| 15:47.44 | ``Erik | SPRING BREAK! *takes off shirt and runs around* |
| 15:48.12 | ``Erik | happy st pattys day, ya'll |
| 15:48.43 | brlcad | ``Erik: don't worry about migrating it, madant already did it |
| 15:49.20 | brlcad | still waiting to be verified |
| 15:49.34 | madant | what about my last years patch :) regression tests over ? |
| 15:49.56 | brlcad | hm? |
| 15:50.35 | brlcad | it's not been regression tested yet, that's why it's still there .. it needs to be soon though |
| 15:50.42 | ``Erik | aight, I may try to build a test suite when I get back, then |
| 15:50.49 | ``Erik | remind me, though |
| 15:51.02 | ``Erik | like put a postit on my monitor |
| 15:51.51 | ``Erik | I'm gonna bury myself in lithp web app stuff now and ignore irc |
| 15:52.04 | madant | hmm.. i could take another look at it if there is a problem after regression tests :) grr.. i will have to right :D |
| 15:58.05 | madant | going to sleep at 10 pm after a long long time :) |
| 16:00.03 | brlcad | :) |
| 16:47.52 | dreeves | So got rid of the remaining allocs and now it is a little over 6x the speed of before |
| 16:49.28 | dreeves | Could probably optimize the math to improve speed but I think I will focus on getting things cleaned up so I can submit as a patch now... |
| 16:50.33 | dreeves | BTW I was wrong it is only about half the speed of the rcc I think I was remembering numbers when I rt'ed at a higher res |
| 16:55.44 | brlcad | I wouldn't be too suprised by rcc being 2x-10x.. big range, but not too horribly different (at least for simple sketch/extrusions) |
| 16:56.27 | brlcad | the main difference would be that adding more rccs just increases time nearly linearly whereas more complex sketches increases non-linearly |
| 16:56.40 | brlcad | multiple sketches is probably still just nearly linear though |
| 16:57.11 | brlcad | either way pretty cool -- that would make bezeir's actually kinda practically useful now performance-wise |
| 16:57.29 | dreeves | definitly with some optimization that would be very true |
| 16:58.02 | dreeves | But I think for now it has crossed the line performance-wise |
| 16:58.41 | dreeves | When I get it clean up I will put it on sf |
| 16:59.09 | brlcad | yeah, I wouldn't work too hard on it simply because it's a pita to create them interactively still -- the interactive sketcher sucks, you can make them more easily using code than you can interactively |
| 16:59.16 | brlcad | sounds good |
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| 19:55.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34054 10/brlcad/trunk/db/ (Makefile.am goliath.asc): Add Goliath Tracked Mine model by Stephen Kennedy and Stephanie Weaver |
| 20:20.58 | brlcad | woot |
| 20:21.23 | brlcad | (NEWS) |
| 20:22.17 | brlcad | should also include another attribute on _GLOBAL that says that it's public domain and credit the museum |
| 20:23.08 | brlcad | or at least reference them saying the original used as a measurement reference was located at the apg museum |
| 21:45.18 | dreeves | brlcad do I need to perserve the oringinal function signatures in bezier_2d_insect in particular FindRoots and Bezier? |
| 21:45.50 | dreeves | I don't think anyone else is using those functions |
| 21:53.02 | brlcad | nope, those aren't public functions |
| 21:53.07 | brlcad | they can be ripped a new one if need be |
| 21:53.24 | brlcad | goes to embib a bit |
| 22:04.52 | Ralith | we've got a goliath model now? |
| 22:04.54 | Ralith | awesome! :D |
| 22:05.07 | Ralith | syncs svn |
| 22:43.20 | bjorkintosh | Goliath, on line. |
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| 00:00.09 | Ralith | a model of one of those would be pretty neat too. |
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| 02:13.08 | dreeves | I sent the patch to you brlcad I will work on pushing it to sf but I was having problems so decided to be lazy for now |
| 02:13.18 | dreeves | and send it directly to you |
| 02:23.27 | dreeves | ok got it submitted to sourceforge |
| 02:34.35 | brlcad | nice, just saw it |
| 02:35.09 | brlcad | didn't get anything direct though (at least not yet |
| 02:35.29 | brlcad | but no matter, I see the tracker |
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| 03:02.40 | starseeker | <snort> they're already offering discounts to try and get people to come to SIGGRAPH 2009 |
| 03:03.11 | starseeker | <sarcasm>wonder if perhaps they're worried about the economy...</sarcasm> |
| 03:13.54 | dreeves | Sorry about that I guess I should have spent a little more effort figuring it out |
| 03:13.55 | bjorkintosh | are SIGGRAPH papers any good? |
| 03:15.22 | dreeves | there is still room for improvement on the performance. Actually lost 15% somewhere on the end maybe something for later... |
| 03:16.49 | dreeves | probably move on to the NURBS stuff I suppose...although I think that is quite abit more involved. |
| 03:22.53 | starseeker | bjorkintosh: yesh |
| 03:22.55 | starseeker | er yes |
| 03:23.25 | starseeker | all conferences will have ups and downs in paper quality, but SIGGRAPH has lots of very good papers |
| 03:34.08 | bjorkintosh | really? |
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| 07:21.29 | madant | slept for 15 hours straight :O |
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| 10:00.17 | madant | howdy mafm |
| 10:55.36 | d-lo | Morning all. |
| 10:55.56 | d-lo | Bad traffic + thick fog = scary drive :/ |
| 10:59.53 | madant | does not have a driving license :P |
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| 11:08.02 | d-lo | Hrm, lemme think: Bad traffic + thick fog + no license = even scarier!!! |
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| 11:28.52 | madant | d-lo: :P true |
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| 11:35.46 | mafm_ | hi |
| 11:40.14 | madant | hey :) |
| 11:41.30 | madant | freaky way to do pull-ups :p http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/Queens-Palace-Pullup.html |
| 11:42.44 | d-lo | Just goes to show how well proper incentive can motivate! |
| 11:45.26 | d-lo | This one looks strangely familiar...... http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/crossfit-AnzioAnnie.html ;) |
| 11:47.04 | brlcad | it'd be a lot more impressive if he was doing them off the barrel tip :) |
| 11:47.44 | d-lo | True, but with photoshot, anything is possible! :) |
| 11:47.46 | brlcad | thick fog + rowing = eerie cool row :) |
| 11:48.01 | d-lo | Yeah, i was wonding about that on the drive in :) |
| 11:48.18 | brlcad | fortunately not all the crews have started so the traffic was pretty low |
| 11:48.26 | madant | :D |
| 11:48.42 | d-lo | nice. Do you compete or is it just for the halibut? |
| 11:48.45 | brlcad | it can get very scary |
| 11:48.58 | brlcad | I compete |
| 11:49.13 | brlcad | do ocd and competitive to just paddle about |
| 11:50.24 | madant | has a backwater district nearby :) |
| 11:50.31 | d-lo | On a somewhat related note, i found out that my Patriot can corner VERY well :) 90 degree curve came up on me a bit suddenly and I had to take it a bit faster than I wanted :) Stiff suspension FTW. |
| 11:50.49 | d-lo | "every thing I know about performance driving I learned from Top Gear" :) |
| 11:51.14 | brlcad | is starving |
| 11:51.36 | brlcad | madant: those look like fun pull-ups actually |
| 11:51.56 | brlcad | I can see doing that |
| 11:52.24 | madant | yeah i mean height really doesnt matter ;) but a nice pic nevertheless :) |
| 11:53.01 | madant | I can do 20 .. ok 19 :P |
| 11:53.27 | madant | though not confident about 20 at that height :) |
| 11:54.04 | brlcad | hehe, nice .. http://www.torch.aetc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/061228-F-1936B-010.JPG |
| 11:54.55 | d-lo | lol\ |
| 11:55.36 | d-lo | brlcad: If you can get to see the most recent Top Gear (the one where the road test the Ford Fiesta) then you really REALY should. |
| 11:56.09 | d-lo | I laughed my throat raw. That Humvee pic reminded me of it btw :) |
| 11:57.18 | madant | yikes.. :) |
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| 14:53.27 | brlcad | madant: woot, top 20 :) |
| 14:54.33 | madant | huh / |
| 14:56.15 | brlcad | https://www.ohloh.net/p/brlcad/contributors |
| 14:57.42 | madant | :) aah.. it is going to get better ;) |
| 14:58.25 | madant | am sure i would have been way lower if they didn't only count number of commits :D |
| 14:59.55 | brlcad | I've been wanting to do some mega visualization at some point |
| 15:02.06 | madant | mega visualization ;) ? |
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| 15:27.36 | dreeves | how does the stuff work we submit as a patch? Does it get included in the next release or is somewhat unknown because someone needs to make time to look it over? |
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| 15:36.41 | madant | dreeves: depends on the type of patch i guess.. mostly it gets added to the trunk pretty fast once someone has a look at it .. some need a lot of regression tests and might take longer.. if the person submitting the patch has been given commit access then he is given the right to close the patch tracker as well.. brlcad would obviously be able to clarify all this better :) |
| 15:46.49 | dreeves | no big I was just curious if there was a formal process or if it was just somewhat loose. I think what I submitted is fairly low priority because I would guess not many people are using that feature. Also it is just a performance improvement. |
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| 16:00.35 | brlcad | madant, yeah visualization kinda like the code storm, but actually somewhat more practical :) |
| 16:01.30 | brlcad | dreeves: the latter, one of the existing devs takes the time to review and test/evaluate the patch |
| 16:04.33 | brlcad | yeah, basically what madant said -- it's not at all a formalized process very much intentionally |
| 16:06.47 | brlcad | highly formalization in open source projects is often a sign of a dying project, most operate under meritocratic and high-iteration agile practices (or at least gravitate towards them) |
| 16:07.29 | dreeves | Yeah I'm not a big fan of very formalized process at all |
| 16:07.49 | dreeves | good way to bring a project to it's knees |
| 16:07.52 | brlcad | that said, yeah, your patch isn't what I'd call "high-priority" but it's actually very important because it's from a new contributor :) |
| 16:08.06 | dreeves | :) |
| 16:08.37 | brlcad | and it's not just a performance improvement, it's a _substantial_ performance improvement |
| 16:08.40 | brlcad | :) |
| 16:09.25 | dreeves | I think there is still room for more improvement but I want to get on to the high priority stuff I really just did that get warmed up |
| 16:10.31 | dreeves | I didn't want to start with something where I was trying to get familiar with what was what at the same time as tackling a tough problem i.e. NURBS |
| 16:10.52 | brlcad | nods |
| 16:11.53 | madant | brlcad: hmm.. yeah it would be fun .. information visualization is always nice |
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| 16:30.31 | brlcad | dammit, sf.net is down right as I submit |
| 16:30.50 | brlcad | ~ping sourceforge.net |
| 16:30.51 | ibot | pong sourceforge.net |
| 16:34.30 | brlcad | there we go |
| 16:35.29 | d-lo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.30 | ibot | pong sourceforge.net |
| 16:35.44 | d-lo | |
| 16:35.45 | ibot | hmm... google is at http://www.yahoo.com |
| 16:35.55 | brlcad | ~d-lo is a BRL-CAD developer |
| 16:35.56 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 16:36.05 | brlcad | ~d-lo |
| 16:36.06 | ibot | hmm... d-lo is a BRL-CAD developer |
| 16:38.19 | dreeves | didn't mean to include that other stuff I forgot about messing around that |
| 16:41.52 | dreeves | actually only 3 files should have been in there |
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| 16:47.00 | brlcad | dreeves: I know, it was obvious |
| 16:47.00 | brlcad | i wouldn't have even mentioned it save for the other issues |
| 16:47.00 | brlcad | all minor, but patch acceptance generally puts it in the submitter's hands to fix it so the issues are resolved earlier instead of later |
| 16:47.01 | brlcad | (as the goal is to give commit) |
| 16:49.06 | dreeves | absolutely yeah don't let me slide on anything I want comply no problem |
| 16:49.35 | starseeker | A bat hanging on to the space shuttle as it launches... awesome :-) |
| 16:49.43 | dreeves | I tried to follow the style but obviously hasn't been the style I have been follow as of late so habits and such |
| 16:50.26 | dreeves | So do I just re attach a new patch or is it a new submit altogether |
| 16:51.08 | dreeves | btw it is only 3 files |
| 16:53.13 | d-lo | Hrm, if a small peice of foam can cause a catastrophic loss of the orbiter.... i wonder what fate that bat has condemned them to? :/ |
| 16:54.41 | dreeves | I'm sure the "small" piece of foam was considerably larger than the bat |
| 16:55.45 | dreeves | was the brace style the only thing you noticed when reviewing the code? |
| 16:55.47 | starseeker | yeah, no one is worried that the bat will cause launcher damage |
| 16:56.35 | starseeker | wonders if there is a bat version of the Darwin award... |
| 16:56.51 | dreeves | However I pretty sure the bat didn't make it |
| 16:57.08 | d-lo | Dunno, sounds like the basis for Samuel Jacksons next movie: Bats on a Shuttle... |
| 16:59.13 | brlcad | dreeves: not a problem .. there are probably four distinct styles throughout the brl-cad sources -- just try to police new code and hit up files for consistency as they are worked on |
| 16:59.39 | brlcad | most of the files have issues, it'd takes many weeks of tedium to hit up everything (it can only partially be automated) |
| 17:00.13 | dreeves | ok no problem |
| 17:00.14 | brlcad | dreeves: braces was the only stylistic thing I noticed that mattered |
| 17:01.08 | brlcad | the other stylistic changes are not worth policing unless someone specifically wants to go on a rampage |
| 17:01.41 | dreeves | I was trying to follow the correct style but in my day job I use the other style so I will need to get the settings in my editor so I don't forget |
| 17:01.42 | brlcad | or is just egregiously annoying like spaces before commas |
| 17:01.50 | brlcad | nods |
| 17:01.56 | brlcad | I use the other style on a few other projects |
| 17:02.04 | dreeves | hey the 30 setting that should should have been 64 |
| 17:02.05 | brlcad | some people have religion on one vs the other |
| 17:02.20 | brlcad | to me, it's just more important that the code is consistent |
| 17:02.46 | dreeves | Yeah I'm not religious on that kind of stuff would rather spend my energy on more useful things |
| 17:02.54 | brlcad | minimally per-file consistent, ideally globally consistent (sans src/other) |
| 17:02.56 | dreeves | yes I agree |
| 17:03.54 | dreeves | that setting was in the bezier_2d_isect.c before but if I'm to pre allocate the buffers then the setting needs to come from extude.c |
| 17:05.48 | dreeves | I tried to think of a way to get rid of it all together but at the time I was tired (no sleep in 30+ hours) and I couldn't think of anything. So I gave in a moved the setting to extude.c and passed into bezier_2d_isect.c |
| 17:07.02 | dreeves | I was just messing around and wanted to see what it would like like if I changed the setting to 30 vs 64. Didn't make much of an impact on either. I'm sure it would with a more complex shape |
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| 17:15.02 | brlcad | yeah, it sounds like the maximum number of intersects through the sketch |
| 17:15.11 | brlcad | just at a quick glance |
| 17:15.22 | brlcad | if that's true, even 64 is kinda sketchy (no pun intended) |
| 17:15.41 | brlcad | some simple grided sketch would blow out the limit |
| 17:19.33 | dreeves | no i don't think that is what that number is |
| 17:20.20 | dreeves | I think that is the number of times to subdivide the curve in order to resolve down to a single segment of the curve to find the particular intersection |
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| 17:26.10 | brlcad | ah, hm |
| 17:26.33 | brlcad | then that sounds particularly asinine |
| 17:26.52 | brlcad | especially if it has a ton of control points |
| 17:27.08 | brlcad | unless that's between each pair of control points |
| 17:28.19 | brlcad | probably should be based adaptive based on the amount of curvature in a given piecewise region |
| 17:30.12 | dreeves | yeah checks the curvature |
| 17:31.01 | dreeves | it tries to subdivide to get down to little or no curvature but at some point it stops which the maxlevel setting |
| 17:33.18 | dreeves | let me restate |
| 17:34.53 | brlcad | aha.. so then after a given minimized curvature, it then performs MAXDEPTH samples of that piece |
| 17:34.57 | brlcad | that's not so bad then |
| 17:35.11 | brlcad | probably even overkill depending on that curvature setting |
| 17:35.36 | dreeves | exactly that is why I was playing around with the number a little |
| 17:36.09 | dreeves | no I misspoke |
| 17:36.19 | dreeves | I was saying exactly to the overkill part |
| 17:36.40 | dreeves | but the algorithm doesn't exactly work that way |
| 17:38.06 | dreeves | it divides the control polygon down to attempt to consider a single segment of the polygon but it also looks at curvature to make sure it is only considering a case where the ray will only cross that segment once |
| 17:38.40 | dreeves | if the curvature is not "flat" enough it will continue to subdivide |
| 17:40.26 | dreeves | however it gives on continuing to subdivide if it reaches the max subdivides |
| 17:41.30 | dreeves | the is actually no limit on how far it will subdivide |
| 17:41.56 | dreeves | it only consider the depth after it has gotten to a single segment of the control polygon |
| 17:42.42 | dreeves | I can imagine some situations that could cause it problems but I think they are pretty extreme |
| 17:44.43 | dreeves | If I right I think control polygons 2 to 32nd power is where you will see the algorithm start to have problems. Well maybe a few powers lower but in that area |
| 17:45.43 | dreeves | no actually 64th power |
| 17:53.33 | dreeves | Hope what I wrote makes since here reading backup I realize I'm dropping words... |
| 17:54.16 | dreeves | Of course I could be completely off track but that is what I think is going on |
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| 18:24.04 | brlcad | dreeves: you could toss in a zero-tolerance check on the polygon points -- if they're all within computation tolerance, halt |
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| 20:09.27 | dreeves | brlcad had to go to the office after my comments so I didn't see what you wrote a response if anything |
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| 20:31.06 | kanzure | considers working on a project listed on http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009/Project_Ideas |
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| 21:03.07 | brlcad | kanzure: glad to hear it! |
| 21:06.29 | kanzure | brlcad: Should I just submit a project proposal, or how does this work? |
| 21:10.57 | madant | congrats :) |
| 21:19.51 | madant | hmm.. and they have changed the timeline as brlcad predicted :D |
| 21:21.33 | brlcad | kanzure: discussion |
| 21:22.19 | brlcad | what do you want to work on? why? who are you? (the 2cent gist version) why do you want to work on brl-cad, what are your goals, etc |
| 21:22.34 | brlcad | madant: :) |
| 21:25.08 | madant | next 10 days are going to be fun on the channel and mailing list :) |
| 21:29.18 | madant | brlcad: gsoc blog says "larger student peer groups in each project" ;) |
| 21:41.43 | kanzure | hm, it's entirely possible that you guys don't remember me :) |
| 21:41.46 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/om.html |
| 21:42.06 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/gears.html |
| 21:42.43 | kanzure | interchangeable/intercompatible parts and automatic instruction generators, researcher here at the Automated Design Lab at UT Austin :-) |
| 21:43.45 | kanzure | so in particular I'd probably end up working on the parametric library or web thingy for design repository, in particular my background has been in open source hardware design packaging (much like "dot deb" and "dot rpm" files except, uh, for hardware) |
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| 21:47.36 | kanzure | some stuff I've recently been doing (sadly, it's not with BRLCAD): http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pythonocc/2009-03-15_3.png |
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| 21:51.47 | brlcad | oh yeah, I guess I didn't announce it here yet :) |
| 21:51.51 | brlcad | we made it into gsoc 2009 |
| 21:52.11 | brlcad | hurrahs |
| 21:52.35 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/2009-03-18_spiral.jpg (warning: face) |
| 21:52.43 | kanzure | brlcad: remember my work on spirals? |
| 21:52.45 | kanzure | :) |
| 21:52.51 | kanzure | now this just needs to be tested in real life. |
| 21:53.02 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.13 | kanzure | DNS-wise? |
| 21:53.30 | brlcad | hah, yes |
| 21:53.35 | brlcad | resolves to 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:53.47 | _sushi_ | resolves to 127.0.0.1 too |
| 21:54.02 | kanzure | http://66.112.232.182/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/2009-03-18_spiral.jpg (warning: face) |
| 21:54.05 | kanzure | try that? |
| 21:54.24 | brlcad | kanzure: and to answer your question, I did remember the name, just not the connection |
| 21:54.29 | kanzure | okay |
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| 21:56.31 | brlcad | madant: hm, that's actually an interesting quote on the blog .. have to talk to lh about it |
| 21:57.52 | brlcad | bz's going to test almost the exact opposite mentoring-wise as our experience indicated that we needed fewer students in order to better engage them |
| 21:58.03 | madant | kanzure: what does pythonocc do ? |
| 21:58.04 | brlcad | probably just that there's a sweet spot that orgs have to find |
| 21:58.08 | kanzure | do mentoring organizations have a minimum team size? |
| 21:58.16 | brlcad | nope |
| 21:58.17 | kanzure | madant: pythonOCC == python bindings to OpenCASCADE |
| 21:58.20 | kanzure | http://pythonocc.org/ |
| 21:58.24 | madant | ah.. :) |
| 21:58.32 | kanzure | so I was just putting together pythonOCC + the HeeksCAD interface together |
| 21:58.35 | kanzure | since they both use wxWidgets |
| 21:59.43 | madant | k.. opencascade is pretty neat ;) |
| 22:00.03 | kanzure | but the API *sucks*. I mean, coming from the perspective of trying to figure out how to write a simpler wrapper for it, or something, it's just huge and hairy |
| 22:00.12 | brlcad | thinks they still fail the freeness test |
| 22:00.26 | brlcad | open yes, just not free |
| 22:00.33 | archivist | kanzure, author of HeeksCAD often is in #cam |
| 22:00.42 | kanzure | archivist: thank you for the heads up |
| 22:01.06 | madant | freeness maybe :) but not many CAE tools in open source scene otherwise right ? |
| 22:01.08 | kanzure | brlcad: apparently they are changing their licensing actually |
| 22:01.35 | brlcad | they've said that for a couple years |
| 22:01.39 | kanzure | oh :( |
| 22:01.58 | brlcad | and they did tweak it once about two years ago, as it was originally entirely ambiguous |
| 22:02.35 | madant | they had BRL-CAD in one of their CDs or something if i remember correctly ? |
| 22:02.45 | brlcad | did they? |
| 22:02.48 | brlcad | that'd surprise me |
| 22:02.50 | kanzure | why? |
| 22:02.56 | kanzure | I mean, why would they put it on? |
| 22:02.58 | brlcad | or at least be news to me |
| 22:03.21 | madant | let me see :) |
| 22:03.27 | kanzure | we were hoping that pythonocc would make it into gsoc, but that didn't happen this year |
| 22:03.37 | kanzure | but brlcad is a good alternative, heh |
| 22:03.47 | brlcad | I'm all for competition and collaboration, but that project has just smelled bad from the beginning |
| 22:05.12 | brlcad | seemed more of a failed commercial attempt that was dumped onto a website with an "Open" label slapped onto it in order to try to attract some business, then when that didn't work, they kept tweaking the license to try to actually open it up "just enough" to get some revenue through providing commercial API support |
| 22:05.13 | madant | ah maybe it was the CAELinux dvd :) |
| 22:05.21 | kanzure | the giant DVD library? :) |
| 22:06.01 | kanzure | ah, what I think I meant to say was that OpenCASCADE recently became "open" and "free" enough to warrant debian packaging and inclusion into the main repositories |
| 22:06.05 | brlcad | i could be completely wrong in that perception, but i was pretty excited to try and join our geometry engines several years back only to be sorely disappointed on many fronts |
| 22:06.09 | kanzure | (6.3.0 hit the repositories last week) |
| 22:06.27 | kanzure | brlcad: can you describe what happened on that front in particular? |
| 22:07.58 | brlcad | kanzure: well part of what I just mentioned, that their entire intentions haven't felt like they're with any actual regard or interest with F/OSS development of CAD |
| 22:08.02 | madant | hmmm opencascade in debian and not in non-free ? i remember somebody was trying to package salome and opencascade a year ago.. |
| 22:08.34 | kanzure | things that sound interesting: 1.3, 1.7, 1.10, 2.8 (from the wiki page) |
| 22:08.38 | brlcad | doing only the minimum they can get away with to conjure up business, not being open to the community at large |
| 22:08.47 | kanzure | brlcad: no, I mean the joining of the geometry engines :) |
| 22:08.54 | kanzure | sorry for the ambiguity |
| 22:08.59 | brlcad | I mean that too |
| 22:09.13 | kanzure | oh |
| 22:09.15 | brlcad | there's no technical discussion to be had if there are legal issues and project management issues |
| 22:09.28 | kanzure | were their headers weird or something? |
| 22:09.29 | kanzure | ah, I see. |
| 22:09.40 | madant | brlcad: news coming up at main page ;) ? |
| 22:10.17 | brlcad | their license originally was completely proprietary iirc, the only thing "open" about them was that you could get the source code (but you couldn't redistribute) and they had the word "Open" in their name |
| 22:10.29 | brlcad | madant: mailing list first, but yeah |
| 22:10.33 | brlcad | probably later today |
| 22:11.11 | kanzure | where is the brlcad-devel mailing list located? is it on the sf.net server? |
| 22:11.17 | brlcad | yes, sf |
| 22:11.58 | kanzure | http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/brlcad-devel |
| 22:11.59 | kanzure | aha |
| 22:13.58 | louipc | heh opennurbs seems kind of closed when it comes to the community too |
| 22:14.07 | Ralith | yay, gsoc! |
| 22:15.04 | madant | hey Ralith, howdy |
| 22:15.14 | Ralith | hullo |
| 22:15.31 | kanzure | louipc: isn't that the blender module? |
| 22:16.01 | Ralith | so I know we've got plenty of engs in here |
| 22:16.08 | Ralith | anyone have any thoughts on the hp50g calculator? |
| 22:16.42 | kanzure | huh, you guys were solving constraint satisfaction problems with graphs |
| 22:16.44 | Ralith | I discovered my ti-89's not talking with my computer anymore. |
| 22:16.47 | madant | has never used a graphing calculator :D |
| 22:16.57 | kanzure | has done some work on graph grammars for graph-based design automation. |
| 22:17.08 | kanzure | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Libpg_:_A_parametrics/constraint_library |
| 22:17.12 | louipc | kanzure: no that's the rhino 3d nurbs library |
| 22:17.14 | louipc | http://www.opennurbs.org/ |
| 22:17.31 | madant | kanzure: graphs .. well my initial idea was that bgl would be useful.. but now i think maybe not.. |
| 22:17.44 | kanzure | bgl? |
| 22:18.03 | madant | boost graph library |
| 22:18.10 | kanzure | so, our lab uses software called "GraphSynth" |
| 22:18.17 | kanzure | it's a graph grammar solver for engineering problems, more or less |
| 22:18.28 | madant | boost's hypergraph support the last time i checked was not that great.. |
| 22:18.29 | kanzure | one student is doing gear-based automated design and optimization, another is doing linkages, and another is doing product disassembly |
| 22:18.41 | louipc | kanzure: brl-cad requires opennurbs |
| 22:18.45 | kanzure | so it might be interesting to integrate the graph functionality into libpg |
| 22:19.15 | madant | kanzure: what exactly do u mean by graph functionality ? |
| 22:19.19 | archivist | hmm gears |
| 22:19.31 | kanzure | archivist: did you see the link? |
| 22:19.49 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/gears.html |
| 22:20.10 | kanzure | madant: I mean the graphsynth classes for the representation of graphs, generating thousands of solutions for a given graph, and so on |
| 22:20.37 | kanzure | (just the other day we were generating a thousand 'design solutions' from a given 'specification graph' (these aren't the actual terribly convoluted names they have, but that's what they are)) |
| 22:20.51 | madant | :) |
| 22:21.06 | madant | just checking out the graphsynth page |
| 22:21.45 | kanzure | think of it as a search-and-replace system that goes through the entire tree of possible substitutions given a set of 'replace rules' (a "rule set") |
| 22:22.02 | louipc | those are some funky gears |
| 22:22.07 | kanzure | it's a hack to glxgears :) |
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| 22:22.43 | kanzure | I was going to write a gear visualizer/CAD-generator with pythonocc |
| 22:22.49 | Ralith | there's a cool xscreensaver module that generates very (infinitely?) long serieses of properly interlocking gears |
| 22:22.54 | kanzure | but I haven't got around to that yet |
| 22:23.00 | madant | hmm. and the design is effectively a 'configuration' expressed in XML ? |
| 22:23.02 | kanzure | Ralith: oh? I've never seen that, is that in the standard X11 package? |
| 22:23.05 | kanzure | madant: yes |
| 22:23.08 | Ralith | no idea |
| 22:23.13 | Ralith | it might not even be on my system |
| 22:23.21 | archivist | glxgears |
| 22:23.23 | kanzure | Ralith: ah, maybe it's in the xscreensaver package (sorry, didn't read) |
| 22:23.24 | Ralith | I always set my screensavers to random, so I can't help beyond that |
| 22:23.29 | kanzure | glxgears doesn't do interlocking of infinitely many gears |
| 22:23.35 | Ralith | might even haev only been in the freebsd distrib |
| 22:23.42 | Ralith | yeah this is much more advanced than glxgears |
| 22:23.46 | Ralith | nicer looking models, too |
| 22:23.49 | kanzure | anyway, it sucks because it's not actual CAD |
| 22:23.55 | kanzure | it's just a cylinder and some OpenGL calls |
| 22:24.03 | kanzure | kinda useless for lab research :) |
| 22:24.12 | Ralith | I wouldn't think parametric gears would be very hard |
| 22:24.17 | kanzure | not at all |
| 22:24.17 | madant | kanzure: does graphsynth support hypergraphs ? |
| 22:24.31 | kanzure | madant: please excuse me, I'm not as well versed in hypergraphs as I should be |
| 22:24.36 | madant | nods |
| 22:24.38 | kanzure | is this where there are vertices with multiple edges? |
| 22:24.45 | Ralith | hm |
| 22:24.55 | Ralith | brlcad: does BRL-CAD have any sort of geargen tool? |
| 22:25.05 | bjorkintosh | geargen? gear generator? |
| 22:25.07 | Ralith | yeah |
| 22:25.08 | kanzure | yes |
| 22:25.13 | kanzure | madant: is that what a hypergraph is? |
| 22:25.14 | Ralith | okay, cool |
| 22:25.23 | kanzure | Ralith: no, I wasn't answering you |
| 22:25.26 | Ralith | oh |
| 22:25.45 | Ralith | I ask because we've got weird things like tire generators and fence generators but I don't recall ever seeing a gear generator |
| 22:25.45 | madant | kanzure: the hypergraph idea is basically that you can have edges between edges.. |
| 22:25.58 | bjorkintosh | fence generator? |
| 22:26.00 | bjorkintosh | whoa! |
| 22:26.03 | Ralith | chain link fence |
| 22:26.07 | bjorkintosh | is in white picket ... |
| 22:26.08 | bjorkintosh | oh okay. |
| 22:26.13 | kanzure | madant: blah? wha? |
| 22:26.13 | bjorkintosh | *as in. |
| 22:26.46 | kanzure | madant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraph |
| 22:26.48 | kanzure | "In mathematics, a hypergraph is a generalization of a graph, where edges can connect any number of vertices. " |
| 22:26.52 | kanzure | in which case, yes |
| 22:29.19 | louipc | hmm! those generators used to be prefixed with mk_ |
| 22:29.32 | louipc | now I don't know what the generators are blah |
| 22:29.48 | kanzure | just grep over the source for 'gear' :-) |
| 22:29.53 | kanzure | grep -H -I -R "gear" * |
| 22:30.05 | madant | kanzure: if you consider a constraint network.. it eventually has lets say a set of nodes( variables) and constraints( edges between two or moredependent variables) but constraints might depend on other constraints as well.. so you have hyperedges connecting two or more edges which can effectively be broken down into edges between many vertices.. |
| 22:30.31 | kanzure | I see |
| 22:30.56 | Ralith | kanzure: hehe |
| 22:30.59 | louipc | kanzure: that's not very efficient, and doesn't help those who only installed the binary |
| 22:31.06 | madant | consider a constraint which depends on two other constraints for instance .. |
| 22:31.11 | kanzure | madant: right |
| 22:31.27 | madant | so graphsynth supports hypergraphs ? |
| 22:32.47 | kanzure | the answer is complicated. yes in the sense that the constraint network can be represented, no in the sense that the way that you solve it is not by treating it as a hypergraph |
| 22:32.50 | kanzure | I don't know if that makes sense |
| 22:33.19 | kanzure | see, when a constraint network would be added into graphsynth, the "rules" would be called forth to solve a particular subset of the graph |
| 22:33.32 | kanzure | then it would be possible, say, to find the next part of the constraint network needs to be updated |
| 22:33.36 | kanzure | dependent on the last modification that was made |
| 22:33.53 | kanzure | which is essentially solving the same thing, no? |
| 22:34.20 | madant | looking at the grammar.. |
| 22:34.35 | kanzure | well that's the thing, the grammars are hand-crafted |
| 22:34.51 | kanzure | like I said, one researcher has made a grammar for gear generation, another for linkages (or is working on it), another for product disassembly |
| 22:35.22 | kanzure | (and there's a few others- one for how to tie a tie, electronics (filter circuits), and stuff I'm forgetting) |
| 22:35.42 | madant | kanzure: i meant the basic designGraph class |
| 22:36.29 | madant | what are the node classes ? |
| 22:36.48 | kanzure | vertices. |
| 22:36.58 | kanzure | what are you asking? the name of the node class is 'node' IIRC |
| 22:37.14 | madant | i mean they directly correlate with the variables right ? |
| 22:37.48 | kanzure | uhrm, sort of. each node has a list of labels, and it's possible for a node to only have one label, so in this case that label might be a variable related to the constraint expression, yeah |
| 22:38.11 | louipc | starseeker: should src/libged/tire.c be removed since it's already in src/shapes/tire.c? |
| 22:38.59 | madant | ah.. so designGraph is basically an implementation of a directed graph right ? but hypergraphs are not effectively reducible to directed graphs |
| 22:39.27 | kanzure | directed means that edges point in a certain direction |
| 22:39.33 | kanzure | but in this case, edges are bidirectional |
| 22:39.51 | kanzure | I mean, each node has a list of the edges that are connected to it |
| 22:40.32 | brlcad | oof, turn my head for just a few minutes.. |
| 22:40.45 | madant | :D |
| 22:43.17 | brlcad | louipc: mcneal & assoc. were very upfront from the very beginning that there was no support, no community, and a simple PD license, and open about the fact that their intent was more converters and that they have no intention of helping folks use it for analytic or modeling purposes .. big difference in intent and flexibility |
| 22:43.58 | madant | kanzure: consider this hypergraph ( vertices : A,B,C,D,E,F Edges/Constraints: A perp. B, Cperp. D, E parallel F if A perp. B and C perp. D else E perp. F) how would this be represented in graphsynth |
| 22:44.08 | madant | 6 variables and 3 constraints |
| 22:45.05 | kanzure | I would have to play around with possible representation methods :) |
| 22:45.14 | kanzure | one idea that comes to mind is using nodes for perpendicularity/parallelism |
| 22:45.16 | brlcad | kanzure: 404 on http://66.112.232.182/~bbishop/docs/gears/gears.html |
| 22:45.31 | kanzure | so if two nodes are connected by "parallel" or "perpendicular", then that's that. |
| 22:46.05 | brlcad | Ralith: don't think so, but pretty simple to create with the pattern tool .. something I did in a couple minutes a couple years ago here: http://brlcad.org/tmp/gear/ |
| 22:46.30 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: there's a picket fence generator too |
| 22:46.43 | kanzure | ah, you were the one who did /tmp/gear |
| 22:46.46 | Ralith | hm |
| 22:46.48 | kanzure | remembers seeing that a few weeks ago |
| 22:47.17 | Ralith | not the most gearlike, but I imagine that's not a limitation of the system |
| 22:47.23 | brlcad | louipc: ls src/shapes |
| 22:47.35 | madant | kanzure: just describe the new graph for me ? |
| 22:47.42 | bjorkintosh | haha |
| 22:47.46 | bjorkintosh | who put these things in there, brlcad? |
| 22:48.19 | brlcad | louipc: look at the implementation of src/shapes/tire.c .. ged_tire() |
| 22:48.26 | madant | kanzure: u mean two nodes and multiple edges between them ? |
| 22:49.06 | madant | kanzure: in that case? lets say the nodes are P(perpendicularity) and U ( parallel) .. how do u model the third constraint ? |
| 22:49.21 | kanzure | madant: what does the if/then statement signify? "if A per. B" does that mean "if A perp. B is possible" ? |
| 22:49.48 | brlcad | kanzure: /tmp/gear was a quick example for someone based on known curvature parameters, forget who though |
| 22:50.04 | madant | kanzure: if A perp. B is satisfied |
| 22:50.15 | kanzure | then that should be in the grammar rules |
| 22:50.28 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: various developers -- creating a procedural modeling tool that generates something is actually a great way to become familiar with the code base |
| 22:50.34 | kanzure | it would be a new rule: "if you see this graph structure, then make this modification" |
| 22:50.48 | bjorkintosh | you don't say. |
| 22:50.53 | starseeker | has considered making a gear generator, but coils were more manual labor for a usable result and less tractable to creation via tools like clone |
| 22:50.56 | kanzure | in particular it would be, using the model I suggested off the top of my head, "if you see A-perp-B (vertices: A, perp, B), then do blah blah blah" |
| 22:51.11 | kanzure | erm, sorry, vertices: A, perpSOME_ID_NUMBER, B |
| 22:51.21 | kanzure | the perpendicularity between the two is supposedly unique :-) |
| 22:51.26 | brlcad | so we often have new developers try to write an app that makes something (of their choice), they end up learning some of libbu, libbn, librt, libwdb and we end up with a simple tool that generates some shape procedurally usually |
| 22:51.30 | starseeker | gears will probably come later, but the variety is amazing in gears and much thought would be needed to create a sufficiently general framework |
| 22:51.34 | madant | kanzure: k :) |
| 22:51.42 | kanzure | starseeker: oh? |
| 22:51.51 | kanzure | starseeker: that's kind of the work that I'm supposed to be doing right now for the lab |
| 22:52.05 | kanzure | in particular, I'm also supposedly coming up with a way to display helical gears, worm gears, bevel gears, etc. etc. |
| 22:52.11 | starseeker | cooool :-) |
| 22:52.11 | Ralith | starseeker: isn't most of the variety just in the details of the tooth shape? |
| 22:52.27 | kanzure | and I get to ignore tooth shape (more or less)- which I know you guys are going to hate me for |
| 22:52.31 | starseeker | Ralith: tooth shape, tooth spacing, overall gear shape, gear interior... |
| 22:52.40 | brlcad | e.g., I wrote the chain link 'fence' tool probably a decade ago -- it comes in handy for generating scenes for something that would otherwise be very painstaking to model by hand (it generates a physically accurate chain link fence with all the bends and individual wires) |
| 22:52.42 | kanzure | madant: I think it can be useful for parametrics. I'll definitely talk it over with some labmates soon. |
| 22:53.13 | madant | kanzure: so effectively the constraint graph in itself does not represent the problem entirely ? |
| 22:53.23 | Ralith | starseeker: doesn't strike me as terribly hard to abstract. |
| 22:53.40 | brlcad | you probably have starseeker drooling now .. he's been talking about gears and coils for a while :) (and now has the latter mostly working) |
| 22:53.44 | kanzure | madant: maybe. I'm still not sure- why is there an if/then in your constraint specification? |
| 22:53.59 | starseeker | sticks tounge out at brlcad |
| 22:54.13 | kanzure | starseeker: you should definitely check out the code in the directory I keep linking to |
| 22:54.19 | madant | kanzure: it is a possible logical constraint right :) |
| 22:54.19 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/ |
| 22:54.27 | starseeker | Ralith: It isn't hard to abstract - that's one of the reasons it's a good candidate for a tool |
| 22:54.33 | starseeker | looks |
| 22:54.53 | madant | since constraints effectively have two states : only constraints possible between them are in essence logical |
| 22:54.54 | kanzure | madant: can you give me an example of a situation where I inadvertedly used a logical constraint in a CAD app without perhaps knowing it? |
| 22:55.10 | starseeker | kanzure: Can't see it from here - I'll have to look later |
| 22:55.21 | kanzure | starseeker: blah, some of you are unable to load the pages, while others in this channel can |
| 22:55.24 | kanzure | wtf? |
| 22:55.57 | madant | kanzure: :) am not really sure if any CAD application supports it.. I mean i have only worked with CATIA and it doesn't.. |
| 22:56.08 | Ralith | starseeker: well, what did you mean by "much thought would be needed to create a sufficiently general framework"? |
| 22:56.09 | starseeker | Ralith: a lot of the work involved with a gear tool would be identifying what the standard methods are for specifying gear type, size, etc. and wiring up the logic to generate the proper geometry based on those numbers |
| 22:56.30 | kanzure | yay |
| 22:56.34 | Ralith | yeah, I imagine it would be mostly research |
| 22:56.35 | kanzure | starseeker: we should definitely collaborate on this |
| 22:56.35 | starseeker | for each gear type, there may be a whole sub-set of specifications to look at |
| 22:56.39 | madant | kanzure: but not sure if many CAD applications support it internally.. will have to think of a case :) |
| 22:56.41 | Ralith | it sounds ilke an interesting task, though |
| 22:56.46 | kanzure | Ralith: I'm working with somebody who has done most of that work |
| 22:56.49 | kanzure | that research work, I mean |
| 22:56.58 | Ralith | kanzure: cool; has he published his findings anywhere? |
| 22:57.03 | kanzure | paper in progress |
| 22:57.04 | kanzure | :) |
| 22:57.10 | starseeker | kanzure: It'll be a while before I can devote much time to it - I've got other more pressing tasks :-/ |
| 22:57.17 | Ralith | let me know when it's up |
| 22:57.19 | Ralith | I might just write this |
| 22:57.20 | madant | kanzure: how many people are working with parametrics and constraints at UT ? |
| 22:57.37 | kanzure | madant: I don't know anybody who is explicitly working on that problem. :( |
| 22:57.38 | kanzure | it's so sad |
| 22:57.49 | brlcad | kanzure: I believe unigraphics can get you into some situations where you use constraints implicitly |
| 22:57.51 | kanzure | I guess there's me. |
| 22:58.16 | brlcad | it's got a red-light/green-light to let you know if you're fully constrained or under/over too, interesting concept |
| 22:58.33 | starseeker | Ralith: then for each gear type, you have to think about precisely what geometry you want to use to represent it. For example, would it be better to use sketches for gear patterns that can be represented as extrusions, or should such gears be combinations of arbs and tgcs? |
| 22:58.43 | kanzure | yes, I've seen something like that in Solidworks re: red/green light for over/under constrained |
| 22:58.49 | starseeker | extrusions would do for a lot of types, but not all |
| 22:58.59 | madant | brlcad: i like the similar feature in catia sketcher.. where they show u overconstrained and underconstrained and correctly constrained elements in different colours |
| 22:59.06 | Ralith | yeah, I realized that |
| 22:59.09 | kanzure | starseeker: in my case, the generated CAD file would have to be dependent on the variables that the optimization engine is spitting out |
| 22:59.12 | Ralith | we can't twist extrusions yet, can we? |
| 22:59.14 | kanzure | so that kind of solves that problem eh? |
| 22:59.22 | kanzure | but makes for a perhaps overly constrained gear generator in the end of course :) |
| 22:59.36 | brlcad | has wanted similar lights for constraining once it's all working, but even now for overlap reporting |
| 22:59.55 | starseeker | kanzure: In part. You also want to be able to manually specify gears from the command line (or, better, from within MGED) using standard parameters |
| 23:00.00 | kanzure | right |
| 23:00.05 | kanzure | no argument there. |
| 23:00.16 | Ralith | some sort of extrude along a path describing rotation as well as direction; is there a name for that? |
| 23:00.20 | madant | ah.. so it is effectively : if ( constraint1 = true , constraint 2= true .... ) then constraints=true ;) hypegraph :D |
| 23:00.20 | kanzure | madant: so was your logic constraint spec an imaginary one? :) |
| 23:00.35 | starseeker | Ralith: sounds like sweep |
| 23:00.39 | Ralith | that's it |
| 23:00.44 | Ralith | we don't have that yet, right? |
| 23:00.47 | starseeker | right |
| 23:00.55 | Ralith | 'cuz that would make things easier. |
| 23:01.00 | starseeker | indeed |
| 23:01.02 | kanzure | madant: yeah, the solutions would be those graphs where "all constraints have been satisfied" (or eliminated, or completely replaced, or something) |
| 23:01.32 | madant | kanzure: yep :) |
| 23:01.41 | kanzure | what would BRLCAD do with multiple solutions to a constraints satisfaction problem anyway? |
| 23:01.46 | Ralith | in fact, I'm not sure how you'd represent those twisted gears with simple operations on primitives--though I'm no modeler. |
| 23:01.53 | kanzure | would it let the user pick from a list ? is that how this goes? |
| 23:02.07 | starseeker | twisted gears? like on oil rig drilling? |
| 23:02.13 | Ralith | I dunno about oil rigs |
| 23:02.13 | starseeker | yeah, those would be a problem |
| 23:02.15 | kanzure | helical gears? |
| 23:02.18 | madant | yeah the idea is to present the user with the range of options.. |
| 23:02.26 | Ralith | I saw these in a lathe's gearbox |
| 23:02.28 | madant | asking him for either further constraints or values |
| 23:02.48 | starseeker | runs through the primitives in his mind... |
| 23:02.54 | Ralith | imagine taking a normal gear with fine teeth, then twistingthe top and bottom half in opposite directions |
| 23:03.03 | Ralith | such that the teeth are no longer parallel to the axis |
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| 23:03.16 | starseeker | Oh, that's less of a problem |
| 23:03.26 | Ralith | they're used to increase contact area between the gears |
| 23:03.38 | kanzure | madant: so I guess all that I need to do now is figure out how to make grammar rules for solving constraints problems |
| 23:03.48 | kanzure | and then get the professor to put up a real GPL license for graphsynth |
| 23:03.55 | kanzure | and then integrate the code and go from there :p |
| 23:04.38 | madant | kanzure: i will read up on graphsynth today .. is there any documentation other than http://www.me.utexas.edu/~adl/graphsynth/ |
| 23:05.43 | kanzure | not really. |
| 23:05.54 | kanzure | there's some related stuff here: heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/ |
| 23:06.04 | kanzure | some example graphs of designs: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/2009-02-20_FS/ |
| 23:06.14 | starseeker | I was thinking of connections like those visible in page two of this patent: http://www.google.com/patents?id=9WEUAAAAEBAJ |
| 23:06.32 | kanzure | madant: this might be helpful, some powerpoints? http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/presentations/ |
| 23:06.37 | madant | kanzure: :( i don't have access to windows :P |
| 23:06.48 | Ralith | starseeker: those count as gears? |
| 23:06.59 | starseeker | It's remotely possible that some application of tgc subtractions could produce that sort of effect... |
| 23:07.12 | kanzure | madant: there should be some odf presentations there, and if not, don't worry- I don't have access to windows either :) |
| 23:07.16 | starseeker | Ralith: they can. It's called a twisted prism |
| 23:07.23 | Ralith | sounds... arcane. |
| 23:07.26 | Ralith | what're they used for? |
| 23:07.40 | starseeker | Lots of HP printer cartridges have used it |
| 23:07.49 | madant | nah.. i meant the actual graphsynth program |
| 23:07.52 | Ralith | I mean I can see in the drill application it would keep the connections tight |
| 23:07.57 | Ralith | but in gears? |
| 23:08.08 | starseeker | it has the advantage of the turning mechanism also pulling the component toward the socket |
| 23:08.10 | kanzure | madant: nope. |
| 23:08.26 | starseeker | Ralith: hang on, I'll see if I can find a picture |
| 23:08.29 | kanzure | btw, I've been able to compile it on monodevelop under linux |
| 23:09.12 | brlcad | kanzure: how long ago was dns changed? |
| 23:09.18 | brlcad | (on heybryan.org) |
| 23:09.21 | kanzure | brlcad: it wasn't! :) |
| 23:09.27 | kanzure | I mean, I've never set it to 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:09.34 | kanzure | and it hasn't been changed recently |
| 23:09.46 | brlcad | then you have a bad name server somewhere in there or an expired name or something.. |
| 23:09.57 | kanzure | hrm. |
| 23:10.01 | madant | hmm.. this is interesting : http://minion.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:10.07 | kanzure | but then why doesn't the IP address work? |
| 23:10.27 | Ralith | heybryan.org works for me |
| 23:10.58 | madant | works for me too @opendns |
| 23:11.12 | kanzure | haha, somebody's using opendns? :) |
| 23:11.16 | Ralith | :P |
| 23:11.25 | Ralith | is using level3's servers |
| 23:11.32 | starseeker | Ralith: not ideal, but http://www.google.com/patents?id=dGyEAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA37&dq=twisted+prism+gear+helical&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1_1 |
| 23:11.32 | brlcad | kanzure: ah, there's your problem |
| 23:11.37 | brlcad | all four of your name servers are dead |
| 23:11.56 | kanzure | but then what about you being unable to use my IP to access the same content? |
| 23:12.08 | starseeker | Ralith: element 37a |
| 23:12.08 | kanzure | madant: so, minion spits out a list of solutions? |
| 23:12.13 | brlcad | looks like afraid.org lost their name |
| 23:12.22 | Ralith | starseeker: yeah, I saw... isn't that another interlock? |
| 23:12.32 | kanzure | http://minion.sourceforge.net/gsoc/index.html |
| 23:12.41 | starseeker | Ralith: It's a combination of interlock and driver |
| 23:12.43 | Ralith | or is 39a a matching gear |
| 23:12.55 | madant | not sure.. just came across it :) scalability seems to be one of their great aims ;) |
| 23:13.01 | starseeker | yes, 39a is the matching socket |
| 23:13.05 | Ralith | socket? |
| 23:13.13 | Ralith | still not a gear, then |
| 23:13.29 | starseeker | many of these gear types have helical components, but some of them get rotation only from that twisted prism |
| 23:13.36 | Ralith | well, either way, it's an interesting shape |
| 23:13.42 | kanzure | madant: it's weird, they seem to be about visualization of results? wtf |
| 23:13.45 | Ralith | and apparently one we can't model. |
| 23:14.18 | starseeker | I doubt it. I've been trying to envison some sort of tgc subtraction which could do it, but I doubt it |
| 23:14.46 | Ralith | would a sweep cover those? |
| 23:14.58 | starseeker | If sufficiently general, yes |
| 23:15.14 | Ralith | I'm guessing sweeps are pretty nontrivial to implement, then. |
| 23:15.23 | Ralith | seems very useful, though... |
| 23:15.42 | starseeker | yes and yes :-) |
| 23:16.03 | madant | kanzure: ? visualization |
| 23:16.08 | kanzure | in their gsoc page |
| 23:16.43 | madant | ah those are just their ideas page right :) |
| 23:18.00 | madant | hmm they have a solver independent modeling language too.. nice .. my idea for libpc is somewhat the same in the long run.. i mean multiple solvers for the same constraint network |
| 23:18.47 | starseeker | Well, enough tgc playing with an arb6 MIGHT produce something interesting, but I don't think it can do it |
| 23:18.54 | kanzure | shouldn't it just implicitly find all possible solutions, madant ? |
| 23:19.22 | madant | kanzure: i liked their work too a bit http://www.gecode.org/ |
| 23:20.16 | madant | kanzure: oh the mutliple solvers ? i was just thinking it might be possible that some solvers are better for some graphs / problems |
| 23:20.34 | madant | kanzure: i was not implying running a set of solvers for getting the complete set of solutions |
| 23:21.43 | kanzure | ah, better as in more efficient |
| 23:21.43 | kanzure | okay |
| 23:23.14 | madant | is diybio fun ;) ? |
| 23:23.18 | kanzure | very |
| 23:23.35 | kanzure | scroll down to the bottom of my homepage and I have a link to some recent work I've been doing with 'sharpie microfluidics' |
| 23:23.51 | kanzure | i.e. prototyping a "lab on a chip" with a sharpie and a few spare CDs using surface tension and the capillary force ;-) |
| 23:24.42 | brlcad | kanzure: huh, did minion make it? |
| 23:24.55 | brlcad | ah, no |
| 23:25.27 | brlcad | going to say, just having two ideas and being that domain-specific .. nearly impossible |
| 23:25.53 | madant | kanzure: can't find it :P link ? |
| 23:26.03 | brlcad | madant: that does look like an interesting project, though :) |
| 23:26.13 | kanzure | madant: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/1197606e3c3dc439 |
| 23:26.55 | kanzure | (there were 40 messages in that thread .. some of the more recent messages have been about prototyping microchannels via human hair + sharpie.. but anyway) |
| 23:27.03 | madant | brlcad: yeah.. i will check out their papers tomorrow .. er.. today ( 5 am here) .. |
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| 23:27.16 | brlcad | pretty bold performance claims |
| 23:27.17 | madant | should get going to try the Crossfit Murph |
| 23:27.33 | brlcad | not just an order.. orders* faster |
| 23:27.55 | brlcad | license is a non-starter though, maybe they'd consider changing it |
| 23:27.59 | madant | kanzure: see you around.. will definitely check out graphsynth today |
| 23:28.05 | kanzure | okay, neat :) |
| 23:28.13 | kanzure | mentions again that he's considering brlcad for gsoc |
| 23:28.14 | kanzure | heh |
| 23:28.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:28.20 | madant | brlcad: maybe.. most probably students or profs somewhere.. |
| 23:28.43 | brlcad | yeah, http://minion.sourceforge.net/people.html |
| 23:29.28 | madant | ok.. :) be back in an hour.. |
| 23:29.34 | brlcad | would be fantastic if they relicensed as lgpl or bsd |
| 23:29.40 | brlcad | cya madant |
| 23:48.01 | starseeker | hmm, this is as close to a twisted prism shape as I can come in a short trial: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/twisted.png |
| 23:48.07 | starseeker | not so good |
| 23:59.02 | brlcad | heck of a lot easier with brep :) |
| 23:59.10 | brlcad | but probably not as fast |
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| 00:06.58 | louipc | brlcad: re: opennurbs hah they told me they were collecting email addresses so they can contact people when there are updates |
| 00:08.48 | brlcad | heh, I'd believe that too :) |
| 00:10.11 | brlcad | there's just no harm in supporting your competition to make importers/exporters for their format to 3dm (rhino) format -- either supports existing rhino customers (via export functionalit) or helps steal/convert customers from their competition :) |
| 00:10.29 | brlcad | pretty brilliant actually, i think |
| 00:10.36 | brlcad | (for a commercial code) |
| 00:10.55 | louipc | yeah it's in the spirit of commercial interests really |
| 00:11.14 | brlcad | yeah, but the point was that they've been very up-front about that from the start |
| 00:11.19 | bjorkintosh | brlcad, rhino strikes me as a maya/blender sorta competitor... |
| 00:11.21 | bjorkintosh | am i wrong? |
| 00:11.29 | louipc | not what you immediately think when you see the word 'open' |
| 00:11.47 | brlcad | that they're doing it for business reasons and not for open source, but still providing it gratis |
| 00:12.03 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: they are very much |
| 00:12.16 | louipc | so yeah.. that's why I'm not so thrilled about brl-cad using it |
| 00:12.19 | louipc | shrugs |
| 00:12.33 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: their opennurbs library, however, is tiny slice of a much more extensive geometry toolkit |
| 00:12.52 | bjorkintosh | ah okay. |
| 00:13.14 | brlcad | and has actually only little to do with what rhino itself does |
| 00:13.28 | brlcad | louipc: how so? |
| 00:13.36 | brlcad | because it's not free software? |
| 00:14.17 | brlcad | it's public domain, doesn't get much more "do whatever you want with it" .. just with the caveat of "but don't come crying back for more from me" |
| 00:14.18 | louipc | because upstream is uncooperative |
| 00:14.43 | brlcad | someone could turn it into a f/oss project if they wanted |
| 00:15.05 | brlcad | i'm cool with that -- now if there was any ambiguity and they pretended to be open source... |
| 00:15.29 | brlcad | that's effectively malicious intent |
| 00:15.40 | brlcad | or at least subversive |
| 00:15.43 | brlcad | they're not doing that |
| 00:17.32 | brlcad | louipc: plus, the framework itself is pretty phenomenal just as a 'container' .. very clean API, probably saved at least a couple *years* of development effort with no other solution on par with as flexible usage rights |
| 00:20.18 | starseeker | anybody want to contact the minion folk about licensing? |
| 00:27.13 | madant | is back |
| 00:27.36 | madant | starseeker: i was thinking of mailing them |
| 00:28.13 | madant | LGPL or GPL ? |
| 01:00.13 | brlcad | it's already GPL |
| 01:00.21 | brlcad | that's nfg |
| 01:00.46 | brlcad | ideally lgpl or bsd |
| 01:01.16 | madant | :) ha.. probably starseeker would be tetter at persuading them :D |
| 01:01.31 | brlcad | don't make them any promises, but they might like to know why we're interested |
| 01:02.22 | madant | hmm |
| 01:02.48 | madant | i guess first i should try building it :D |
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| 02:03.58 | starseeker | madant: Nah, go for it |
| 02:05.38 | starseeker | stares in awe at the number of upgrades waiting for him in gentoo and realizes he has waited too long since his last update |
| 02:05.41 | starseeker | groan |
| 02:05.57 | starseeker | plus a full kde rebuild against qt 4.5 |
| 02:06.07 | starseeker | the power bill will be higher this month... |
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| 02:19.12 | rahul_cool | hello all |
| 02:20.33 | rahul_cool | i have a problem in configuring brlcad source code |
| 02:21.12 | rahul_cool | when i gave the command svn checkout it says that it could not connect to site |
| 02:21.31 | rahul_cool | can anyone help please |
| 02:31.58 | louipc | rahul_cool: you should post the exact message |
| 02:38.56 | rahul_cool | i have download svn with the help of following command... "sudo apt-get install subversion" |
| 02:39.20 | rahul_cool | the output is... |
| 02:39.39 | rahul_cool | svn: OPTIONS of 'https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk': could not connect to server (https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net) |
| 02:40.15 | rahul_cool | i gave this command many times and always same output appears |
| 02:40.39 | rahul_cool | i gave svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 02:42.17 | madant | do u have to use a proxy to access the sites ? |
| 02:42.52 | rahul_cool | i tried .subversion/servers command and the output is permission denied |
| 02:44.25 | madant | er.. .subversion/servers command ? you have to edit that file and put in the proper proxy host and port etc. |
| 02:44.53 | dreeves | can you ping the brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net |
| 02:45.05 | dreeves | server |
| 02:46.05 | rahul_cool | yes i am able to access this site |
| 02:46.15 | dreeves | then you don't have a proxy issue |
| 02:46.34 | dreeves | can you touch x in the directory where you are attempting to checkout |
| 02:47.20 | rahul_cool | touch x means??i did not get u |
| 02:47.35 | dreeves | type the command 'touch x' |
| 02:47.46 | rahul_cool | ok |
| 02:48.05 | dreeves | if it works means you have access to write to the directory you are in |
| 02:48.06 | madant | you are able to access the server by using the ping command from the shell ? correct ? |
| 02:48.21 | dreeves | good question? |
| 02:49.35 | rahul_cool | i didnot try ping command i access that site by putting its url address on net |
| 02:49.57 | dreeves | no madant is right you need to try in the shell |
| 02:50.09 | dreeves | you could have a proxy setup in the browser |
| 02:50.32 | rahul_cool | ok... i try |
| 02:52.00 | dreeves | well |
| 02:53.07 | dreeves | sorry madant I hope I didn't step on you there, habit I get this issue seems like every day at work it always 1 of 3 things |
| 02:53.55 | madant | hehe :D not at all.. |
| 02:54.04 | dreeves | cool |
| 02:54.17 | madant | scratches his trying to understand where the stepping might have happened :D |
| 02:54.29 | madant | yikes |
| 02:54.43 | madant | scratches his HEAD trying to understand where the stepping might have happened :D |
| 02:54.59 | dreeves | oh i didn't on purpose |
| 02:55.47 | madant | :D now i am plain confused .. :) how's the code surfing coming along dreeves ? |
| 02:55.50 | dreeves | but you where kind of talking to rahul and then I jumped in and I'm new to this so I'm not certain of the exact protocols/formalities |
| 02:56.11 | dreeves | cool I'm getting there |
| 02:56.25 | madant | shouts screw formalities :D |
| 02:56.41 | dreeves | yeah I typically do |
| 02:57.14 | dreeves | I'm familiar with the code but some of the math I have to get back into it has been a little while since i have really done it at this level |
| 02:57.39 | dreeves | some code has changed since I worked on it before but most is the same |
| 02:58.05 | madant | thought about what exactly you want to work on ? i might have missed some IRC discussion |
| 02:58.49 | madant | i wonder how it must have been all those years ago .. :) |
| 02:58.54 | dreeves | yeah I think I'm going to give a hand at nurbs |
| 02:59.06 | dreeves | being I'm rusty at math |
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| 03:00.08 | rahul_cool | i gave the command |
| 03:00.25 | rahul_cool | ping https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk |
| 03:00.32 | rahul_cool | the output comes |
| 03:00.41 | madant | just 'ping brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net ' |
| 03:00.49 | rahul_cool | ping: unknown host https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk |
| 03:01.58 | rahul_cool | ok..........on that command |
| 03:02.03 | rahul_cool | the output is |
| 03:02.05 | rahul_cool | PING svn.sourceforge.net (216.34.181.65) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 03:02.31 | rahul_cool | and still the process is not over |
| 03:02.50 | dreeves | are you something like 64 bytes from .... |
| 03:04.12 | rahul_cool | sorry, but i dont understand your question |
| 03:04.28 | madant | rahul_cool : press Ctrl-C and see if you have 100 % packet loss |
| 03:05.13 | rahul_cool | yes 210 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 209062ms |
| 03:05.24 | madant | rahul_cool: do you have any idea if you use an http proxy in your browser settings ? |
| 03:05.53 | rahul_cool | yes i do use in browser settings |
| 03:06.24 | madant | you have to edit the .subversion/servers file to use the same proxy settings |
| 03:06.48 | madant | i hope the comments in the files are understandable enough for you to edit it. |
| 03:07.07 | rahul_cool | ok |
| 03:07.24 | rahul_cool | i try it |
| 03:08.10 | madant | you just have to uncomment(remove the initial hash) two lines and put in the proper proxy host and proxy port |
| 03:08.22 | madant | below the [global] line |
| 03:08.56 | madant | and then try svn checkout http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad just in case the https is giving u trouble |
| 03:09.41 | madant | rahul_cool: u are doing a BS in computer science ? |
| 03:09.52 | rahul_cool | no btech |
| 03:10.03 | madant | which year ? |
| 03:10.10 | rahul_cool | final year |
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| 03:10.18 | madant | which Univ / college ? |
| 03:10.30 | rahul_cool | NIT Kurukshetra |
| 03:11.17 | rahul_cool | In our college we rarely use linux |
| 03:13.15 | madant | hehe.. np .. simple things can appear complicated in the beginning :) |
| 03:13.51 | rahul_cool | may i know what u are doing?? |
| 03:14.28 | madant | er. me ? :D i just passed out from IIT Kharagpur last year.. on a sabbatical since september |
| 03:14.50 | rahul_cool | ok. |
| 03:15.22 | rahul_cool | can u plz tell me where is .subversion/servers file?? |
| 03:15.47 | madant | in ur home directory |
| 03:16.31 | rahul_cool | no it is not there |
| 03:16.54 | madant | there is a hidden folder .subversion . in it there is a file called servers.. if you use vim u can straight away edit it from the shell using 'vim ~/.subversion/servers' |
| 03:17.36 | madant | in that case u can edit the default settings at /etc/subversion/servers |
| 03:17.39 | madant | as root |
| 03:18.40 | rahul_cool | got it |
| 03:18.47 | madant | dreeves: any thoughts about what exactly in nurbs ;) ? |
| 03:19.44 | madant | i really loved the idea of NURBS the first time i heard about it.. as all great ideas come.. simple yet powerful :D |
| 03:20.15 | rahul_cool | sorry..i dont have any idea |
| 03:20.31 | madant | rahul_cool: ? |
| 03:20.40 | madant | sorry i didn't get you |
| 03:21.06 | rahul_cool | oh oh sorry...i thought nurbs thing |
| 03:24.40 | rahul_cool | hey we use http proxy 172.16.0.1 but in that file what we have to write in http host |
| 03:25.10 | madant | under the [global] section |
| 03:25.30 | madant | you must have something like # http-proxy-host = defaultproxy.whatever.com |
| 03:25.40 | rahul_cool | yes |
| 03:25.55 | madant | replace it with http-proxy-host = 172.16.0.1 |
| 03:26.12 | rahul_cool | i was doing the same |
| 03:26.22 | madant | and similarly with the next line http-proxy-port .. replace it with the port you have to use |
| 03:26.37 | madant | and make sure you remove th # at the beginning of the line |
| 03:27.10 | rahul_cool | ya ... |
| 03:27.24 | madant | and once you have saved the changes.. svn checkout http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 03:29.38 | madant | getting error messages again? |
| 03:31.09 | rahul_cool | wait plz |
| 03:33.25 | rahul_cool | it is saying option expected |
| 03:33.45 | madant | did you fill in the http-proxy-port ? |
| 03:33.53 | rahul_cool | yes |
| 03:33.55 | rahul_cool | 8181 |
| 03:34.03 | rahul_cool | svn: /etc/subversion/servers:73: Option expected |
| 03:34.59 | madant | tell me what is on line no: 73 of the servers file |
| 03:36.03 | rahul_cool | http-proxy-host = 172.16.0.1 |
| 03:36.58 | madant | it is the http-proxy-host line right ? make sure it is exactly 'http-proxy-host = 172.16.0.1' and at the end of the line do a CR (Enter) just in case |
| 03:38.50 | rahul_cool | thanz buddy............. |
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| 03:38.58 | rahul_cool | its working great |
| 03:38.59 | madant | no more errors ? |
| 03:39.05 | rahul_cool | no |
| 03:39.10 | madant | k.. have fun hacking brl-cad :) |
| 03:39.37 | rahul_cool | hey can u help me in running brlcad?? |
| 03:40.02 | madant | er ? come back to irc if you need any help ? |
| 03:40.29 | rahul_cool | can u give me ur id...just in case... |
| 03:40.31 | copenhague | hello anyone using salome over here? |
| 03:40.36 | madant | somebody will be here most of the time.. |
| 03:40.50 | madant | copenhague: anything particular ? |
| 03:41.01 | copenhague | just looking for inputs |
| 03:41.11 | copenhague | i'm thinking about installing it |
| 03:41.31 | copenhague | i think salome is better than bricad |
| 03:41.40 | copenhague | what do you think madant? |
| 03:41.41 | madant | aah.. i tried it out last year.. :D remember the installation was tough on debian :D |
| 03:41.58 | copenhague | now theres the caelinux right? |
| 03:42.05 | copenhague | i'm on opensuse |
| 03:42.28 | madant | er.. u meant to say salome is better than brlcad ? |
| 03:42.34 | madant | grrr.. :D |
| 03:42.46 | copenhague | i don't know |
| 03:42.49 | copenhague | you tell me |
| 03:43.01 | copenhague | i have the feel that is better |
| 03:43.08 | madant | i don't think so.. last time i checked salome's UI and functionality was very minimal and besides they deal with different things really |
| 03:43.37 | copenhague | i think i'll try bricad then |
| 03:43.56 | madant | brlcad :) |
| 03:44.04 | madant | what do u plan to use it for ? |
| 03:44.27 | copenhague | is there a nc simulation on bricad? |
| 03:44.41 | copenhague | just to 3d designs, modeling |
| 03:44.48 | madant | :) am not an expert |
| 03:45.01 | copenhague | i'm a cnc programmer and looking for modeller for free |
| 03:45.03 | madant | u planning to do designs or numerical simulation ? |
| 03:45.08 | madant | ah.. ok.. |
| 03:45.21 | copenhague | designs |
| 03:45.32 | copenhague | and or numerical simulations |
| 03:46.02 | bjorkintosh | which cnc machine do you work with, copenhague? |
| 03:46.07 | madant | hmm.. i don't have a good answer .. so i must shut up :D |
| 03:46.37 | madant | llikes stereolithography better ;) |
| 03:46.51 | copenhague | all kind, i do programming bjorkintosh |
| 03:47.00 | copenhague | mills 3, 4 axis |
| 03:47.06 | copenhague | multiaxis machines |
| 03:47.07 | bjorkintosh | lathes? |
| 03:47.09 | bjorkintosh | okay. |
| 03:47.19 | copenhague | i'm strong on multiaxis not lathe anymore |
| 03:47.34 | copenhague | the multiaxis are lathe as-well |
| 03:47.41 | copenhague | you? |
| 03:48.12 | madant | is off to church :O |
| 03:48.28 | copenhague | bjorkintosh, are you into cnc? |
| 03:48.48 | copenhague | is there a good cnc tool for linux other than gcam |
| 03:48.51 | copenhague | ? |
| 03:49.35 | madant | copenhague , you should stick around.. there are some crazy people on this channel who will be able to offer better comments :) |
| 03:49.51 | copenhague | sure, thanks |
| 03:49.58 | copenhague | i'll be back all teh time |
| 03:50.00 | bjorkintosh | copenhague, not me. there're some crazy people ... ah, what madant said. |
| 03:50.17 | copenhague | so you guys think that i'm crazy hum. |
| 03:50.19 | copenhague | :) |
| 03:50.22 | copenhague | just joking |
| 04:00.19 | bjorkintosh | i'd never seen salome. |
| 04:00.45 | copenhague | http://caelinux.com/CMS/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=52&func=view&id=2495&catid=2 |
| 04:01.13 | copenhague | the last audi car was all designed with salome and caelinux |
| 04:01.30 | bjorkintosh | hah. |
| 04:01.35 | bjorkintosh | that tells me nothing, to be honest. |
| 04:01.48 | bjorkintosh | a good number of cars were designed long before CAD tools came to exist. |
| 04:02.02 | copenhague | i know |
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| 04:19.02 | Ralith | bjorkintosh: it tells you audi thought it was the appropriate tool |
| 04:20.28 | bjorkintosh | i rather think it was arbitrary. |
| 04:20.45 | dreeves | Yeah but to bjorkintosh that still doesn't really mean anything it could have been the appropriate tool for alot of reasons that may not be relevant to anyone else |
| 04:20.48 | bjorkintosh | they could have achieved the same results with a good #2 pencil and a great drawing curve. |
| 04:21.13 | bjorkintosh | and some rulers too :) |
| 04:21.52 | bjorkintosh | but i'm looking at salome's screenshots. |
| 04:22.10 | bjorkintosh | is it pronounced 'saloMAY' or 'saLOAM'? |
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| 06:05.34 | dreeves_ | brlcad I think addressed all the issues you brought please let me know if you catch anymore style problems. I have defined the style in my editor so I don't have to remember to follow the style |
| 06:05.44 | dreeves_ | I submitted a new patch |
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| 06:09.49 | dreeves_ | ok so I think I did that wrong I submitted a whole new tacker but I realized I should have attached so I opened the other tracker and attached sorry about that |
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| 07:10.21 | rahul_cool | hello all |
| 07:11.11 | rahul_cool | when i gave the command ./autogen.sh for configuring ...the output comes |
| 07:11.14 | rahul_cool | Unable to locate GNU Autoconf. |
| 07:13.45 | rahul_cool | any one here to solve this problem please |
| 07:39.04 | rahul_cool | on giving ./configure command the output comes........ |
| 07:39.16 | rahul_cool | configure: error: *** compiler cannot create working executables, check config.log *** |
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| 10:14.59 | piksi | brlcad: the no.1 thing brl-cad would need for realistic usage in architecture and building industry is IFC |
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| 11:07.02 | rahul_cool | hiiiiiiii |
| 11:08.08 | _sushi_ | brlcad: do people keep telling you which all things are necessary in brl-cad? |
| 11:18.54 | louipc | rahul_cool: do you have autoconf installed? |
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| 11:33.21 | brlcad | rahul_cool: for what it's worth, gsoc requires participants to be highly self-motivated able to figure out problems on your own -- we're here to help you when you get stuck, not hold you hand every step of the way -- just keep that in mind |
| 11:37.59 | brlcad | dreeves_: okay, will look at it |
| 11:40.28 | brlcad | piksi: agreed, and actually rather doable given our object representation and attribute/value system |
| 11:41.32 | brlcad | ifc data is essentially metadata over a functional building representation, not unlike what we do for modeling vehicles functionally for ballistic analyses |
| 11:43.10 | piksi | brlcad: do excuse my ignorance (haven't yet dug deep into brl features) but how are materials represented in brl models? are composite materials easy to use with the current system (e.g. a wall with concrete + structural steel with insulation on top of it and panels on top of that etc...) ? |
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| 11:45.32 | brlcad | piksi: right now, brl-cad defines material properties at a "region" level -- which is intended to refer to a single relatively homogeneous material type per region, but then also allows application-specific attributes to be associated with any object |
| 11:48.12 | brlcad | e.g. a wall with concrete + structural steel would either be defined with a concrete wall region and the structural steel actually modeled (which is usuall trivial with CSG) as a region, or you make one "wall" region and assign it the responsive properties of 'concrete+steel' as a material, or you can make it concrete and assign it an application-specific set of attributes (such as the structural steel properties) |
| 11:49.26 | brlcad | the same continues with the insulation and panels -- brl-cad is intently designed for high-resolution modeling so you could either physicaly represent the insulation and panels as geometric regions, or similar to the structural steel just associate them as application-specific data associated with said "wall" region |
| 11:49.40 | brlcad | hopefully that makes some sense to you |
| 11:49.56 | brlcad | I used a fair bit of brl-cad geometric terminology in there |
| 11:50.14 | brlcad | an ifc-g importer would certainly be interesting.. |
| 11:50.23 | brlcad | especially given it's also founded in express like step |
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| 16:16.48 | madant | looking at brl-cad codeswarm : a lot of mike and jra awesomeness till now.. lots of years left :D |
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| 16:40.36 | madant | morrison was brlcad :P ? |
| 16:42.20 | madant | and now brlcad is morrison :D |
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| 16:43.27 | brlcad | madant: awesome, you should post the video up on the website! |
| 16:43.54 | brlcad | if there's a way to combine names, that'd be useful |
| 16:44.13 | brlcad | because several of the devs went from one username to another when the project went open source and moved to sourceforge |
| 16:45.37 | madant | hmm.. i havent made the video yet.. will put in better colours and tweaking.. for the video i have to output each frame to png and then combine them to make a .avi or .mov |
| 16:46.19 | madant | don't think there is a name combine feature .. but supports a regex based legend and colouration |
| 16:46.32 | brlcad | like morrison->brlcad and jra->johnranderson and bparker->bob1961, etc |
| 16:46.40 | brlcad | ohloh has a list of how they all map somewhere |
| 16:46.52 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34057 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/shoot.c: A slightly better mod to rt_res_pieces_clean() that skips uninitialized rt_piecestate structures. |
| 16:47.01 | brlcad | speak of the devil.. :) |
| 16:47.07 | madant | hah :) |
| 16:48.56 | brlcad | wonders how it visualizes the open sourcing "event" that made massive changes |
| 16:50.19 | brlcad | madant: not sure if it's useful, but might be able to correlate what you're looking at with this: http://brlcad.org/OLD/statcvs/ and http://brlcad.org/OLD/statcvs.normalized/ |
| 16:51.13 | brlcad | needs to run that again |
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| 17:37.39 | brlcad | howdy mafm_ |
| 17:40.22 | kanzure | hrm, so what's up with that multitouch thread? |
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| 17:53.40 | piksi | brlcad: thanks for a good explanation, i thjink i understood the principles :-) |
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| 18:42.58 | kanzure | so I'm writing up an email for the list regarding the parametrics/constraints stuff yesterday, is there anything in particular I should include that I might forget? |
| 19:19.15 | brlcad | kanzure: heh, kind of a loaded question ;) |
| 19:20.24 | kanzure | too late now :) sent the email |
| 19:20.27 | kanzure | gives his fingers a break. |
| 19:27.34 | brlcad | good lord man |
| 19:27.46 | kanzure | bwahah |
| 19:28.05 | brlcad | there's like 10 discussions there |
| 19:28.09 | kanzure | that's right. |
| 20:06.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34058 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/tree.c: Minor formatting. |
| 20:10.14 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34059 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Added ged_inside_internal() to libged and modified ged_inside() to call it. Mged also calls this when getting the inside of something being edited. |
| 21:44.36 | kanzure | brlcad: freedns.afraid.org is back up. |
| 21:56.08 | brlcad | kanzure: the website may be, but the dns is still down |
| 21:56.12 | brlcad | try a direct query |
| 21:56.17 | brlcad | nslookup @ns1.afraid.org heybryan.org |
| 21:57.01 | brlcad | er, s/nslookup/dig/ |
| 21:58.04 | kanzure | and your claim that the reason that I don't yet have these problems is because it's cached on some DNS server I'm using? |
| 21:58.30 | kanzure | hrm. maybe you're just in a crummy geographical location with bad nameservers? |
| 22:00.41 | brlcad | kanzure: heh, I'm sitting a few hundred feet away from one of the 13 root name servers on the planet |
| 22:01.41 | brlcad | "H" is right here |
| 22:04.38 | brlcad | kanzure: my money is on afraid.org doing something wrong or their ISP doing something wrong |
| 22:04.53 | brlcad | for starters, they have self-referential DNS .. you're not supposed to do that |
| 22:06.29 | brlcad | could try http://freedns.ws/en/ or http://zoneedit.com |
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| 00:11.26 | starseeker | where was that website with the gear stuff (that I couldn't access yesterday?) |
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| 01:10.52 | brlcad | dreeves: yes |
| 01:11.23 | brlcad | starseeker: pictures are worth a thousand words and probably ten thousand equations |
| 01:11.28 | brlcad | (to most people) |
| 01:11.50 | starseeker | ok, I'll give it my best shot |
| 01:12.14 | brlcad | doesn't have to be comprehensive, just a few illustrative examples |
| 01:12.25 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:12.37 | brlcad | or maybe a table that shows two variables |
| 01:12.56 | starseeker | what I need to do is provide the tools (intellectual, if not code) to allow people to make use of overall length as a measurement |
| 01:13.14 | brlcad | e.g., http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/superellipse/superellipse11.gif |
| 01:13.25 | brlcad | speaks wonders with a simple table |
| 01:13.31 | starseeker | converting length into something useful for a coil isn't so simple |
| 01:13.56 | starseeker | ah, yes |
| 01:14.04 | starseeker | 's situation is a bit different |
| 01:15.45 | starseeker | I need to teach people how to compute some other input value based on length (unless I just skip that, but since overall length is one of the simplest measurements a modeler can make for a coil I hate to ignore it, too...) |
| 01:15.54 | brlcad | similarly, http://cgkit.sourceforge.net/tutorials/materials/specular.jpg |
| 01:16.12 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:16.21 | brlcad | of course it's different, the point is that you can pack a lot of data in by picking two useful variables |
| 01:16.21 | starseeker | I actually do that for most of the coil settings :-) |
| 01:16.44 | madant | wakes up and realises he has a lot to read :D |
| 01:16.47 | starseeker | yes, but it's worse than that - there are two different equations that have to be used |
| 01:17.01 | starseeker | based on certain geometric behaviors |
| 01:17.01 | brlcad | i'm sure it is |
| 01:17.08 | brlcad | but in the end, you're making a spring |
| 01:17.12 | starseeker | sure |
| 01:17.15 | brlcad | so you show a few tables |
| 01:17.30 | brlcad | they don't need to know every shape ever possible |
| 01:17.42 | starseeker | oh, I know |
| 01:18.02 | starseeker | but using length to calculate parameters is something else again |
| 01:18.13 | starseeker | can't just show examples |
| 01:18.17 | starseeker | need to outline method |
| 01:18.28 | brlcad | e.g. the superellipse table has a dozen other parameters that you could tweak that would make things even more complicated -- they're just not nearly as useful and the extra information really just confuses the core explanation |
| 01:19.58 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:20.26 | starseeker | Realistically, I don't HAVE to say a word about overall length - it's not an input parameter |
| 01:20.41 | starseeker | could just leave it up to the modeller |
| 01:22.19 | starseeker | was just trying to anticipate difficulties that would come up in real world use |
| 01:41.03 | brlcad | you could certainly make it an input parameter as that's probably very true :) |
| 01:42.12 | brlcad | to me a coil's basic properties are it's overall length, radius, wire thickness, and number of windings or density of windings |
| 01:43.05 | brlcad | if the user has to perform a bunch of calculations to arrive at their desired length, that sounds like something prime for the application to handle for them |
| 01:45.35 | brlcad | otherwise my basic point regarding the diagrams was that you should just enough to get the gist of what it is and does, not necessarily explain every or even most of the details -- that can be captured in the writeup and (if needed) the equations themselves |
| 01:51.07 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:53.16 | starseeker | the problem with length as an input parameter is it makes ONE of several other parameters unnecessary, but not uniquely - e.g. length + pitch + wire diameter will settle helix angle (in most cases, there is actually one corner case with two solutions) but by the same token length + wire diameter + helix angle will settle pitch. I'm still not sure how to automagically use length "correctly" to solve for the right value |
| 01:53.43 | starseeker | short of a lot of special case programming (yuck) |
| 02:01.37 | brlcad | you allow the unnecessary parameters and just do a validation check on your arguments |
| 02:02.36 | brlcad | think of how rt will let you specify an image -- you can specify a square image size, width, height, aspect ratio, cell size, and a few other things .. and specifying any of those often makes any of the others unnecessary |
| 02:02.53 | brlcad | but it still lets you, and deals with the calcs and validation |
| 02:03.07 | brlcad | well pseudo validation, last one wins iirc |
| 02:03.36 | brlcad | yep, last one |
| 02:03.50 | brlcad | (e.g., rt -s1024 -n512 -w512) |
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| 02:43.41 | starseeker | brlcad: ok, so I would put in the equations for each parameter deducable from length, solve whichever ones I could based on inputs, and if one input was "missing" that length is supposed to substitute for that calculation would succeed and would replace the default? |
| 02:44.40 | starseeker | supposes he might as well, since he needs to add the ability to do left and right handed coiling anyway |
| 02:44.49 | brlcad | you have a set of parameters you "need" to calculate |
| 02:44.56 | brlcad | to calculate the coil, that is |
| 02:45.07 | starseeker | yes |
| 02:45.15 | brlcad | presumably there is some default if you just run the program? |
| 02:45.20 | brlcad | (should be) |
| 02:45.22 | starseeker | yes |
| 02:45.36 | brlcad | then each arg adjusts the defaults however it makes sense |
| 02:45.45 | brlcad | sort of like an overlay |
| 02:46.11 | brlcad | so if given -l 100 .. all those inputs are adjusted however makes sense for -l 100 to work |
| 02:46.27 | starseeker | there isn't a unique solution to that |
| 02:46.40 | brlcad | then if followed by some other arg -coil_density 1.0, whatever, even something that conflicts, it readjusts |
| 02:46.52 | brlcad | but there is a consistent solution I bet |
| 02:47.03 | starseeker | consistent? |
| 02:47.07 | brlcad | 'valid' |
| 02:47.12 | starseeker | sure, several |
| 02:47.31 | brlcad | so they've underspecified, but it's enough to work with |
| 02:47.36 | brlcad | technically the defaults are underspecified |
| 02:48.24 | madant_ | needs a faster computer :D |
| 02:48.59 | starseeker | yes, but what is the "preferred" way to adjust? reduce number of coils and tweak wire diameter? change the helix angle? |
| 02:49.16 | starseeker | I suspect the answer to that is "yes", which is where the problem comes in |
| 02:50.23 | starseeker | If I underspecify by one input parameter and add length, I expect length to be solved for the missing parameter |
| 02:50.32 | starseeker | if I underspecify by two, it gets less clear |
| 02:50.56 | starseeker | underspecifying by one is a fair bit of work (solve the length equations for all variables) but doable |
| 02:51.09 | starseeker | the second involves "picking something" |
| 02:51.52 | starseeker | presumably the default would usually be zero helix angle, I guess... |
| 02:52.07 | starseeker | maybe that could be the "last assumption to go..." |
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| 02:57.24 | brlcad | 'yes' |
| 03:02.55 | brlcad | like I said, I'd expect the dominant params be length+coil_diameter+wire_diameter+#coils if I was making one |
| 03:03.20 | brlcad | but then I don't have a need to make coils repeatedly as a modeling task, that's just my common sean expectation |
| 03:03.53 | brlcad | pitch to me is just a specialization that replaces #coils |
| 03:04.16 | brlcad | and pitch+#coils replaces length |
| 03:04.35 | starseeker | pitch is spacing between coils |
| 03:04.51 | brlcad | yeah |
| 03:04.55 | starseeker | well, ok |
| 03:05.07 | starseeker | stores those to use as defaults... |
| 03:05.39 | brlcad | internally maybe you turn everything into just #coils and pitch |
| 03:05.54 | starseeker | no, helix angle is distinct |
| 03:05.59 | starseeker | as is wire diameter |
| 03:06.30 | brlcad | i mean per that example if that was your dependency matrix, you find *some* set that you use internally |
| 03:06.37 | starseeker | oh |
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| 03:07.09 | brlcad | e.g., rt doesn't store -s1024 anywhere |
| 03:07.31 | brlcad | it just keeps a buffer and a width and height |
| 03:07.36 | starseeker | oh, sure |
| 03:07.56 | starseeker | brlcad: I take it you haven't played with the existing coil tool much? :-) |
| 03:08.04 | brlcad | so it might get a little tricky, but it should be doable given you can make a default coil |
| 03:08.28 | brlcad | i don't have to play with the tool to know how argument handling should be able to work :) |
| 03:08.33 | starseeker | heh |
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| 03:08.41 | brlcad | even for outright conflicting args, it doesn't matter |
| 03:09.14 | starseeker | as a user might prefer a warning if he feeds in conflicting args... |
| 03:09.33 | brlcad | always a good thing |
| 03:09.41 | brlcad | could even halt |
| 03:09.51 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:09.59 | brlcad | s/could/should/ |
| 03:10.22 | brlcad | just not requisite, not much halts as it is |
| 03:10.44 | starseeker | sighs - nevermind about proofreading, looks like it will be a while (more functionality to add first) |
| 03:11.32 | starseeker | starts visualizing how to deal with length issues... hmm... |
| 03:12.07 | starseeker | ah well, low priority anyway |
| 03:12.21 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks for the feedback/help :-) |
| 03:12.39 | brlcad | that's why it's often/usually good to implement the interface/api/args before the implementation so you can think about it from the user's perspective before getting bogged down in what the implemenation needs :) |
| 03:13.02 | brlcad | otherwise you just end up exposing implementation detail to the user and that makes them go 'wtf' |
| 03:13.16 | brlcad | dsp anyone.. wtf |
| 03:13.35 | starseeker | got scared off initially by all the math needed to handle length ;-) Existing parameters are actually based on how springs are "usually" defined |
| 03:13.51 | starseeker | just happens that length is the easy one to <measure> |
| 03:13.55 | starseeker | chuckles at dsp |
| 03:14.34 | brlcad | well, there's usually defined by *spring-makers* and by *consumers* of spring-makers .. which are rarely the same |
| 03:14.57 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:16.48 | starseeker | actually, for springs with severe helical angle length can be a bit tricky too, come to think of it... |
| 03:17.57 | brlcad | kinda what I'm referring to: http://www.lovells.com.au/catalogue/2004-08_catalogue_4x4_springs_v2.pdf |
| 03:18.03 | brlcad | page 4 |
| 03:18.24 | brlcad | that's how I think of springs, how I'd be trying to specify one |
| 03:19.30 | dreeves | So is the nurbs implementation displaying the wireframe correctly now? |
| 03:19.42 | brlcad | it should be |
| 03:19.49 | brlcad | just it won't show trimmed surfaces |
| 03:20.03 | brlcad | it'll show that outer extent, maybe the trimming curve itself |
| 03:20.14 | brlcad | (too) |
| 03:20.37 | starseeker | brlcad: thank you for that link, that's very helpful |
| 03:21.31 | brlcad | dreeves: it doesn't tessellate the surfaces yet, just the extents, if that's what you mean by correctly |
| 03:21.52 | brlcad | but otherwise, yeah - I don't know of any actual "problem" with what it shows other than being simple |
| 03:22.02 | dreeves | yes that is what I was asking |
| 03:22.03 | brlcad | raytracing is where there are problems |
| 03:22.38 | brlcad | eek, I gotta catch some z's before practice |
| 03:22.39 | dreeves | right but I'm just trying to get an idea of what I'm shooting for :) |
| 03:23.00 | dreeves | practice for what? |
| 03:24.37 | brlcad | dreeves: if you want to start with a tangible issue on the current code base, you could look at breplicator or one of the other two cubes, take any corner point of the cube and pull it inward to make two of the faces non-planar |
| 03:24.51 | brlcad | that's a relatively specific bug that will probably lead deep down the rabbit hole |
| 03:24.58 | brlcad | practice for crew |
| 03:25.01 | brlcad | rows |
| 03:25.23 | starseeker | just not gently down a stream ;-) |
| 03:26.32 | brlcad | mm, yeah.. kinda windy tomorrow and cold |
| 03:26.53 | brlcad | welp, ta ta |
| 03:26.59 | starseeker | later - have fun! |
| 03:28.39 | double-yang | I'm a student who wants to apply GSoC project. |
| 03:29.09 | double-yang | May I ask someting about that? |
| 03:29.27 | madant_ | hi double-yang |
| 03:29.34 | brlcad | starseeker: http://www.vanel.com/compression.php?lang=english |
| 03:29.44 | madant_ | what do you have in mind ? |
| 03:29.47 | brlcad | yummy, http://www.vanel.com/compression-conical.php?lang=english |
| 03:30.25 | brlcad | welcome double-yang, glad to hear it, gotta run, have fun talking to the other guys ;) |
| 03:30.43 | double-yang | I'm considering |
| 03:31.23 | double-yang | @brlcad:Thanks |
| 03:33.37 | madant_ | double-yang: any specific ideas on what you would liek to work on ? |
| 03:34.36 | double-yang | @brlcad:I saw you assorted those idears inyo two parts, High Priority and Additional |
| 03:34.38 | madant_ | s/liek/like |
| 03:35.51 | double-yang | madant_:Implicit to Explicit boundary representation support |
| 03:37.36 | double-yang | madant_:I'm interest in this one |
| 03:38.44 | double-yang | madant_:What do you prefer? |
| 03:39.11 | madant_ | sorry didn't get you |
| 03:39.54 | double-yang | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009/Project_Ideas |
| 03:40.34 | madant_ | :) hehe.. oh.. i have been working with brl-cad since last year on parametrics and constraints :) |
| 03:40.56 | double-yang | Oh,sorry. |
| 03:41.09 | madant_ | I wrote 1.7 :) |
| 03:41.23 | double-yang | Great! |
| 03:41.36 | madant_ | not at all .. so have you thought about how you would go about the project ? |
| 03:43.11 | madant_ | the existing brep files give a pretty good idea about the work involved |
| 03:43.29 | double-yang | I'm a student in physics department |
| 03:43.42 | madant_ | ah kewl. which univ. |
| 03:44.20 | double-yang | Northwest Univ in China |
| 03:45.41 | madant_ | hehe nice :) ä½ å¥½é©¬ |
| 03:46.41 | double-yang | ÄãÖÐÎIJ»´í:) |
| 03:47.52 | madant_ | argh.. something wrong with encoding.. am only getting ÄãÖÐÎIJ»´í:) |
| 03:48.03 | madant_ | nyways poolio is the brep guy :) |
| 03:50.57 | double-yang | ÄãÖÐÎIJ»´í means your Chinese is good :) |
| 03:52.55 | double-yang | madant_:So are you a mentor of the GSoC ? |
| 03:53.40 | madant_ | double-yang: hehe.. i meant i am only getting some weird roman charaters only instead of the chinese logographs.. must be something to do with my client settings |
| 03:53.50 | madant_ | double-yang: and nope i am not a mentor :) |
| 03:54.22 | madant_ | is very much interested in Physics albeit an architect by education :D |
| 03:54.45 | double-yang | :) |
| 03:55.00 | madant_ | is still in an earnest approach to finishing the 10 volumes of Landau's course of theoretical physics |
| 03:55.50 | madant_ | double-yang: have u already built brl-cad ? |
| 03:56.04 | madant_ | and did u check out the brep code for ell, nmg etc ? |
| 03:56.56 | double-yang | madant_:No, actually. |
| 03:57.15 | double-yang | I'm a new guy here |
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| 03:58.53 | double-yang | You know that Open Source is not very popular in my nation. |
| 03:59.01 | madant_ | no problem :) everybody is new at some point .. |
| 03:59.21 | madant_ | you could check out the subversion repository and tinker around :) |
| 03:59.27 | madant_ | http://brlcad.org/wiki/SVN |
| 04:00.41 | double-yang | Thanks for your link. |
| 04:02.08 | madant_ | you can also view the code online at http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/ |
| 04:03.32 | madant_ | the primitives are here.. as mentioned in the wiki some of them already have brep http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ |
| 04:05.11 | double-yang | These will be a great of help!:) |
| 04:08.29 | double-yang | It's really a exciting experience to chat with all of you. |
| 04:10.18 | madant_ | double-yang: our pleasure.. do come back and tell us your brl-cad building experience and further adventures |
| 04:10.49 | double-yang | madant_:Sure.:) |
| 04:12.17 | double-yang | madant_:It's time for lunch.I have to go. |
| 04:13.21 | madant_ | bye double-yang |
| 04:13.38 | double-yang | madant_:Nice to talking to you.Bye.:) |
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| 06:25.20 | anirudh | hi |
| 06:25.28 | anirudh | any mentors around here |
| 06:25.39 | anirudh | for google soc |
| 06:29.20 | anirudh | hey |
| 06:29.24 | anirudh | anyone around ? |
| 06:40.52 | yukonbob | hey, cadheads |
| 06:41.03 | yukonbob | anirudh: what's your question? |
| 06:42.07 | anirudh | hey |
| 06:42.15 | anirudh | i want to propose an idea |
| 06:42.30 | anirudh | its not on the list, its simple |
| 06:42.53 | anirudh | CAD manipulations using Multitouch gestures |
| 06:43.14 | anirudh | can i do a proposal based on something like that :) |
| 06:48.12 | anirudh | anyone around |
| 06:48.38 | yukonbob | sounds like you're proposing a new input device and driver and complete suppport in the application... |
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| 06:49.24 | yukonbob | ;) |
| 06:49.27 | anirudh | no |
| 06:49.37 | yukonbob | go on... |
| 06:49.45 | anirudh | can you copy paste the last chat u said :P i got dc |
| 06:50.16 | yukonbob | I was saying that it sounds like you're proposing a new device, driver and BRL-CAD interface... |
| 06:50.43 | yukonbob | remember that the project ought to be achievable in the timeframe proposed. |
| 06:51.06 | anirudh | not a device exactly, a lot of people have alredy built their DIY Multitouch tables |
| 06:51.17 | anirudh | have you seen touchlib ? |
| 06:51.25 | anirudh | its an open source tracker for touches |
| 06:51.50 | yukonbob | I've heard of it, not programmed against it... |
| 06:52.17 | yukonbob | do you have experience programming against touchlib, and have a working device? |
| 06:52.19 | anirudh | the TUIO protocol it has, i have to send TUIO data on port 3000 and BRLCAD will listen to that data |
| 06:52.22 | anirudh | yeah |
| 06:52.30 | anirudh | www.sparsh-i.com |
| 06:52.43 | anirudh | check out the video i've put up of my device :) |
| 06:53.13 | anirudh | CAD manipulations using multitouch would add a lot of functionality and ease the interaction process |
| 06:53.27 | anirudh | the way people interact with CAD |
| 06:53.39 | anirudh | it'll ease the process, i believe ;) |
| 06:54.00 | yukonbob | I'm imagining easing spinning/flipping a la Jeff Hahn |
| 06:54.14 | yukonbob | for wireframe static views.... |
| 06:54.17 | anirudh | yeah |
| 06:54.17 | anirudh | right :) |
| 06:54.30 | anirudh | that's precise , but it wasnt CAD i believe |
| 06:55.21 | yukonbob | the vids I've seen were sorting photographs, navigating blobs of "Lava lamp" goo ;) |
| 06:56.18 | yukonbob | anirudh: do you have a direct link to the video, so I can view via mplayer (/me doesn't have flash-enabled ffox) |
| 06:56.19 | anirudh | yeah |
| 06:56.20 | anirudh | thats for the eye candy :P |
| 06:56.20 | anirudh | I plan drawing based on Gestures |
| 06:57.18 | anirudh | its uploaded on vimeo |
| 06:57.18 | anirudh | can you access that ? |
| 06:57.22 | anirudh | wait |
| 06:58.17 | anirudh | flv works ? |
| 06:58.22 | anirudh | http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop/play/clip:2953423/d1d4af0d0fe684209fb3beb8b344e662/1237564800/video.flv?q= |
| 06:58.40 | anirudh | i got a direct link via keepvid site, it allows direct downloading of videos |
| 06:58.47 | anirudh | yukon you around ? |
| 06:59.18 | yukonbob | y |
| 06:59.36 | yukonbob | I think your paste was truncated... |
| 06:59.54 | anirudh | didnt it work ? |
| 07:00.26 | anirudh | http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop/play/clip:2953423/d1d4af0d0fe684209fb3beb8b344e662/1237564800/video.flv |
| 07:00.35 | anirudh | see it now, i hope it should work ! |
| 07:00.36 | anirudh | :) |
| 07:01.10 | anirudh | see the DJ app on multitouch, music mixing we did on the touch surface |
| 07:02.48 | anirudh | now a days making MT pads and tables isnt hard with so much DIY info around... Dell's XT laptop and HP Touchsmart are alredy popular, Apple will be releasing all its screens soon based on Multitouch |
| 07:03.17 | yukonbob | hrmm... no dice (via curl) |
| 07:03.30 | anirudh | ?? |
| 07:03.39 | yukonbob | better via ffox... |
| 07:03.41 | yukonbob | 1 sec |
| 07:03.47 | anirudh | yep :P |
| 07:11.22 | yukonbob | nice |
| 07:11.27 | yukonbob | all your own footage? |
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| 07:18.30 | yukonbob | needs to hit hay --- anirudh, I'd post the idea to the wiki, and if you have the cycles, don't hesitate to begin a proof-of-concept or some other demo |
| 07:19.23 | yukonbob | see: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas |
| 07:19.41 | anirudh | yeah |
| 07:19.51 | anirudh | its me and my classmates on the video :) |
| 07:19.59 | yukonbob | nice indeed. |
| 07:20.20 | anirudh | hey, also give me ur google talk id , if u use that |
| 07:20.40 | yukonbob | don't have one atm... |
| 07:21.23 | yukonbob | I need to hit hay (work tomorrow), but don't hesitate to talk to me, brlcad (the user here in IRC), or starseeker, or ``Erik |
| 07:22.20 | anirudh | hehe yea |
| 07:22.31 | yukonbob | chat later :) |
| 07:22.48 | anirudh | bbye :) so you got my idea, right ? :) |
| 07:22.50 | anirudh | thanks |
| 07:22.52 | hippieindamakin8 | anirudh, u sent that proposal of mt eh ? |
| 07:22.53 | anirudh | laters man |
| 07:23.00 | anirudh | yeah |
| 07:23.09 | anirudh | yep hippie |
| 07:23.24 | hippieindamakin8 | wait that was ashish kumar rai |
| 07:24.04 | anirudh | ??? |
| 07:24.17 | anirudh | is confused |
| 07:24.24 | anirudh | what's up ? are you ashish ? |
| 07:27.23 | hippieindamakin8 | anirudh, no :) i am hippieindamakin8 :) |
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| 08:56.00 | brlcad | yawns |
| 09:05.11 | madant | huh awake already ? i thought u just went to sleep |
| 09:06.13 | madant | is getting his lappie heating up trying to build minion |
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| 11:13.55 | madant | aah apparently double-yang's real name is Yang Yang :) |
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| 11:59.43 | brlcad | madant: I had :) |
| 11:59.57 | brlcad | few hours is plenty |
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| 15:17.51 | brlcad | neat |
| 15:18.07 | brlcad | louipc: care to take a stab at fixing that bug :) |
| 15:19.09 | louipc | brlcad: can you reproduce it or is it just me? |
| 15:19.14 | madant | brlcad: how was rowing :) |
| 15:25.41 | louipc | brlcad: you're referring to the ogl reattach bug right? |
| 15:25.48 | brlcad | louipc: yes |
| 15:25.50 | brlcad | madant: fantastic |
| 15:25.59 | brlcad | actually kinda crappy today, but fantastic to be rowing |
| 15:26.15 | brlcad | was windy, boat couldn't be set well |
| 15:26.26 | louipc | arr |
| 15:27.00 | brlcad | matey |
| 15:27.06 | louipc | I would like to stab the bug, but I think it's beyond my sorry level of understanding |
| 15:27.07 | madant | learned swimming only recently :D , would love to row sometime |
| 15:27.35 | brlcad | rowing doesn't generally require swimming unless you're doing something wrong :) |
| 15:27.53 | louipc | haha |
| 15:27.58 | louipc | swimming is a good back-up |
| 15:28.38 | brlcad | the oars float ;) |
| 15:31.37 | madant | :D hah.. |
| 15:32.21 | madant | i would really not like to be in the middle of a big lake and not know swimming :D even if it is a big boat :P |
| 15:34.04 | brlcad | there's a "flip test" in crew where they intentionally put you in a single skull boat and make you flip it (with you in it) |
| 15:34.52 | brlcad | the test is to unstrap yourself from the boat (so you don't drown), get out from under it, flip the boat back over, and then actually get back into the boat (which is way way harder than it sounds) |
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| 15:35.31 | starseeker | wonders why the heck he slep so late and gets his butt in gear... |
| 15:42.04 | brlcad | hopefully not first gear ;) |
| 15:42.22 | brlcad | is excited about the bsg finale |
| 15:45.17 | madant | doesnt like his image of flip test :D |
| 15:46.46 | jonored_ | brlcad: Sounds like what I was doing the first several times out in a kayak... |
| 15:48.01 | jonored_ | Well, apart from the intentional part. That was only in the lake. |
| 15:49.18 | madant | hmm.. kayaking is quite different from rowing ? |
| 15:52.49 | brlcad | they make you do it in a single simply because it *will eventually happen |
| 15:52.55 | brlcad | just a matter of time :) |
| 15:53.09 | _sushi_ | rowing on a gym rowing machine doesn't require swimming :) |
| 15:53.16 | jonored_ | madant: It is, but the practice is the same idea. Although in a kayak there's the stuff you do after that of learning to just get back up without getting out of the boat. |
| 15:53.37 | _sushi_ | eskimo? |
| 15:53.39 | brlcad | there was a great shot at the olympics last year where this pair was *way* ahead of the competition .. and they ended up flipping like 20ft in front of the finish line |
| 15:53.53 | brlcad | they tried swimming with their boat across the finish line |
| 15:53.59 | brlcad | didn't quite make it, but was hilarious |
| 15:55.17 | jonored_ | Hilarious. sushi: Yep. Girlfriend can do it in a small kayak but not a sea one, and I can't yet at all. Going to be able to. |
| 15:55.39 | _sushi_ | do you need strength for that? |
| 15:55.39 | louipc | kayaks are awesome |
| 15:55.52 | brlcad | _sushi_: rowing on an erg is more akin to torture .. |
| 15:56.43 | brlcad | at least outside you have these amazing sights (water, waves, sunrises/sunsets, etc), sounds of the water and boats, fresh air .. serene |
| 15:57.09 | _sushi_ | I don't find water waves sounds of water boats and fresh air amazing |
| 15:57.15 | _sushi_ | But i find sunsets and sunrises amazing |
| 15:57.34 | _sushi_ | But what's really amazing is the sun in noon |
| 15:57.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34061 10/rt^3/trunk/ (10 files in 2 dirs): IsValid method is now required for all Objects |
| 15:58.25 | brlcad | in the best times of the year (end of spring, beginning of fall), I usually get to see the sunrise over the water and sunsets almost on a daily basis |
| 15:58.37 | brlcad | it can be very surreal |
| 15:58.44 | _sushi_ | I saw a sunset at the sea once |
| 15:58.49 | _sushi_ | Nothing really special |
| 15:58.58 | _sushi_ | I find sunsets in Prague more beautiful |
| 15:59.06 | brlcad | not really the same thing at sea |
| 15:59.40 | _sushi_ | Those are sights everyone knows |
| 15:59.54 | _sushi_ | But interesting is for example a red beam of light going through fog in the night |
| 15:59.59 | _sushi_ | You can see how the fog is moving inside |
| 16:00.59 | brlcad | exactly what I'm trying to say, it's NOT something you normally see anywhere unless you live at a marina |
| 16:01.24 | _sushi_ | why does a marina sunset special? |
| 16:01.34 | brlcad | the fog rushes out as the sunrise begins, the hour preceeding is tiny white and red lights of your boat and other small craft |
| 16:01.55 | _sushi_ | what is tiny white? |
| 16:02.02 | brlcad | very quiet, water can be almost glasslike |
| 16:02.38 | _sushi_ | oh that sounds sureeal |
| 16:02.44 | brlcad | boats have lights just like cars |
| 16:02.52 | brlcad | well, not just like them |
| 16:02.54 | brlcad | but similar |
| 16:03.19 | _sushi_ | don't boats make waves? |
| 16:03.21 | brlcad | white light in front to let other boats know which way you are facing, red/green in rear (to let you know which side you are on) |
| 16:03.32 | _sushi_ | How can it be glasslike when there are boats running around? |
| 16:03.38 | _sushi_ | Or do they shine even when they are parked? |
| 16:04.03 | brlcad | crew boats barely disturb the water, they sort of slice through it |
| 16:04.16 | _sushi_ | what's a crew boat? |
| 16:04.32 | brlcad | if you have a good crew, you literally only see small concentric puddles where the oars went in and a small V behind the boat |
| 16:04.58 | _sushi_ | and if you have a bad crew? |
| 16:06.41 | brlcad | http://www2.sacschool.com/uploads/images/Rowing%20Club%20-%20Facilities.jpg |
| 16:07.10 | brlcad | then the water is just distrubed a little more, not quite as precise |
| 16:07.17 | _sushi_ | how much watt do you generate when rowing? |
| 16:07.38 | _sushi_ | I mean net mechanical output on the body->boat interface |
| 16:08.07 | brlcad | yeah, I know what you mean -- I forget the actual numbers |
| 16:08.45 | brlcad | rowing is actually rated as one of the highest VO2 maxing sports out there as it activates almost every muscle in the body |
| 16:09.17 | _sushi_ | I think about 5 sports are now rated as the higest VO2max |
| 16:09.24 | _sushi_ | swimming cycling etc. |
| 16:09.29 | _sushi_ | depends on who you are talking to |
| 16:09.45 | _sushi_ | I am sure you ask a programmer he will tell you programming is the highest VO2 maxing sport out there |
| 16:10.05 | brlcad | don't have the reference, but like the top 10 VO2-max tested athletes is something like half rowers and half cylists |
| 16:10.19 | _sushi_ | Does it also activate the ear drum tension muscle? |
| 16:10.26 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:10.27 | _sushi_ | yeah lance armstrong |
| 16:10.39 | _sushi_ | his body is directly oxidizing steroidz |
| 16:11.10 | _sushi_ | lance always wins because the other cyclists puncture on the hypodermic needles he leaves behind |
| 16:11.48 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VO2_max#VO2_max_Levels has a little tidbit about the max capacity of rowers in the third paragraph |
| 16:12.51 | _sushi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.57 | _sushi_ | I am sure I must be the other group |
| 16:14.13 | _sushi_ | Siberian dogs running in the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race sled race have VO2 values as high as 240 ml/kg/min. |
| 16:14.20 | _sushi_ | I think we need some genetic conditioning |
| 16:14.54 | brlcad | mine has more than doubled in the past when I've gone from static (being a lazy punk) to training mode (2x per day, 6 days per week) |
| 16:15.12 | _sushi_ | how old were you when you did it? |
| 16:15.13 | brlcad | took more than a season |
| 16:15.38 | brlcad | mid-20's |
| 16:15.48 | _sushi_ | I started to go to work on bike |
| 16:15.56 | _sushi_ | I threw out my municipal transport prepaid |
| 16:16.03 | _sushi_ | I don't know if this increases my VO2max |
| 16:16.08 | _sushi_ | but I stopped feeling like zombie |
| 16:16.13 | _sushi_ | and I need less hours of sleep |
| 16:16.16 | _sushi_ | and my face looks better |
| 16:16.30 | _sushi_ | I go comfortable pace |
| 16:16.37 | _sushi_ | As fast as comfortable |
| 16:16.47 | brlcad | resting heart rate is often correlated -- did your HR decrease? |
| 16:16.55 | brlcad | if it did, VO2 almost certainly incrased |
| 16:16.56 | _sushi_ | I don't know |
| 16:17.41 | _sushi_ | I am too lazy to measure |
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| 16:19.47 | _sushi_ | brlcad: can a comfotable physicalactivityincreaqse VO2max? |
| 16:20.54 | madant | increase in VO2max by comfort ..don't think so :) |
| 16:21.06 | _sushi_ | torture is necessary? |
| 16:21.36 | madant | haha.. well not torture per se.. i hear high intensity interval training is pretty effective |
| 16:21.52 | _sushi_ | what is that? |
| 16:22.11 | madant | weirdly remember the quote "Pain is inevitable, Suffering is Optional" |
| 16:23.10 | madant | well interval training is when you do say 20 seconds of strenuous work followed by 10 seconds of recovery.. or some similar interval.. :) |
| 16:23.20 | madant | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_interval_training |
| 16:23.20 | brlcad | _sushi_: yeah, I don't think you can without increasing your anaerobic threshold |
| 16:23.25 | _sushi_ | like strenuous dishwashing? |
| 16:23.28 | brlcad | (which is akin to torture) |
| 16:23.54 | brlcad | loves interval training when at the gym |
| 16:23.55 | madant | _sushi_: can imagine dishwashing being pretty strenuous :D |
| 16:24.02 | _sushi_ | brlcad: I don't understand do you think comfotable bike ride increases my Vo2 max? |
| 16:24.14 | brlcad | don't like interval when out on the road though for some reason |
| 16:24.21 | brlcad | _sushi_: no, I don't |
| 16:24.31 | brlcad | I think it maintains your max |
| 16:24.38 | brlcad | plenty of other benefits, of course |
| 16:24.47 | brlcad | just not your max oxygen capacity |
| 16:24.49 | _sushi_ | can you die from having low VO2max? |
| 16:24.53 | brlcad | at least not after a couple weeks |
| 16:24.53 | madant | I don't like going to the gym :) more of a bodyweight exercise person :D |
| 16:25.15 | brlcad | _sushi_: heh, of suffocation, sure :) |
| 16:25.24 | madant | haha :D |
| 16:25.24 | brlcad | VO2max == 0.0L/min |
| 16:25.28 | _sushi_ | lol |
| 16:25.45 | _sushi_ | that must be my figure |
| 16:25.46 | _sushi_ | or negative |
| 16:26.07 | brlcad | it's exceptionally low, though .. try breathing through a coffee stirring straw .. see how long you can keep it up |
| 16:26.19 | brlcad | generally not enough for most people |
| 16:27.06 | brlcad | you can adjust to crazy low values, though |
| 16:27.09 | _sushi_ | I once run 12km in 55 minutes |
| 16:27.12 | _sushi_ | and it was comfortable |
| 16:27.17 | brlcad | folks living in high-altitudes do it all the time |
| 16:27.26 | _sushi_ | if I leave out stress on the knees |
| 16:27.33 | _sushi_ | So it doesn't increase my VO2max>? |
| 16:28.45 | brlcad | no, that just increases your cardiovascular efficiency, aerobic capacity |
| 16:28.52 | _sushi_ | omg |
| 16:28.56 | brlcad | to increase your max, you have to press your anaerobic capacity |
| 16:29.02 | _sushi_ | aha |
| 16:29.17 | _sushi_ | like in gym? |
| 16:29.18 | brlcad | (while sustaining/increasing aerobic) |
| 16:29.25 | brlcad | heh, doesn't matter where |
| 16:29.36 | _sushi_ | weight lifting is anaerobic |
| 16:29.43 | brlcad | yes, usually is |
| 16:29.50 | _sushi_ | does it increase VO2max? |
| 16:29.53 | brlcad | you can actually do aerobic weight lifting |
| 16:29.56 | brlcad | it just looks silly |
| 16:30.27 | _sushi_ | fortunatelly gay guys on dates don't test VO2max |
| 16:30.31 | _sushi_ | they just test muscle mass |
| 16:30.33 | brlcad | it rarely does afaik simply because you end up taking so many breaks -- you don't sustain/increase your aerobic, it decreases if you only lift |
| 16:30.38 | _sushi_ | and training for that is comfortable for me :) |
| 16:31.00 | brlcad | if you did circuit training though, you probably could increase it |
| 16:31.10 | _sushi_ | circuit training? |
| 16:31.15 | _sushi_ | I do circuit design |
| 16:31.42 | brlcad | heh, not the same thing |
| 16:31.48 | _sushi_ | what is it? |
| 16:31.56 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_training |
| 16:32.47 | brlcad | basically sort of like weight lifting with NO breaks |
| 16:33.15 | madant | longs to go beyond the 6 minute mile |
| 16:33.18 | brlcad | you have to lift less weight because eventually you'll be out of breath as your muscles are activated |
| 16:33.32 | brlcad | madant: 6min? that's pretty damn good |
| 16:33.43 | madant | er.. 6:12 :D |
| 16:33.51 | _sushi_ | can do it on a bicycle |
| 16:33.52 | brlcad | for casual gym go-er at least |
| 16:33.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:34.05 | _sushi_ | I am always amused when I realize |
| 16:34.10 | madant | but after that mile i am pretty bust :D |
| 16:34.27 | _sushi_ | when I cough up blood it's just a barely average untrained person performance |
| 16:34.47 | _sushi_ | Maybe something is wrong with my body |
| 16:35.04 | _sushi_ | some chemical is missing in some chain? |
| 16:35.14 | madant | you cough up blood ? |
| 16:35.29 | _sushi_ | I don't mean it literally |
| 16:35.37 | madant | ah thought so :D |
| 16:36.04 | madant | has a bad sense of humor |
| 16:36.07 | brlcad | my best mile was somewhere around 4:50 iirc |
| 16:36.20 | madant | brlcad: awesome :) |
| 16:36.25 | brlcad | but that was back in HS/college, no fucking way now :) |
| 16:36.37 | brlcad | my knees would explode |
| 16:36.42 | louipc | hmm! mged -c doesn't even offer ogl as an attach option in my latest build |
| 16:36.58 | brlcad | louipc: yeah, current trunk defaults ogl off for now |
| 16:37.07 | brlcad | because of a couple bugs.. :) |
| 16:37.15 | _sushi_ | brlcad: that was with rocket engine in the ass? |
| 16:37.17 | madant | brlcad: for me still pretty much VO2max is the issue.. legs are ok ;) |
| 16:37.35 | madant | hahah :D |
| 16:38.12 | _sushi_ | Rule #1: if the spoon doesn't stand in your protein shake, you'll not build up any muscles |
| 16:38.30 | _sushi_ | I thought I'll die when we had running on the high school |
| 16:38.40 | _sushi_ | I guess for me even youth didn't help |
| 16:39.03 | _sushi_ | I just decided to triple the amount of protein in my shakes |
| 16:39.09 | madant | _sushi_: :) i have never had protein shakes :D and i don't have big muscles either :D but they are growing.. just takes longer i guess .. and size strength correlation is very fuzzy :) |
| 16:39.12 | louipc | brlcad: ahh |
| 16:39.18 | _sushi_ | Maybe I'll be able to put on some nanograms of muscle mass |
| 16:39.25 | madant | not to mention size-strength-endurance :D |
| 16:39.44 | _sushi_ | madant: in me, protein shakes grow probably only fat |
| 16:40.02 | _sushi_ | I can select if I want to be bones-skin or bones-fat-skin |
| 16:40.09 | madant | is a dumbo on the nutrition front |
| 16:40.22 | _sushi_ | If the cycle that synthesizes muscle were implemented in me, it would help |
| 16:41.19 | _sushi_ | my doctor said I have "slim heart" and that I am "generally asthenic" |
| 16:41.30 | _sushi_ | I guess it's just a medical word for "your DNA is crap" |
| 16:41.37 | madant | :D |
| 16:42.05 | _sushi_ | or "half of the protein codes that make a functioning male from you are overwritten by a random garbage" |
| 16:45.35 | _sushi_ | Is there a way how to monitor your total muscle mass? |
| 16:46.55 | louipc | dip yourself in chocolate |
| 16:49.52 | _sushi_ | and slurp it all up? |
| 16:50.37 | louipc | you would have to know the mass of your fat/bone/skin/organs and subtract it from your total mass. hmm |
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| 17:57.03 | brlcad | woo hoo, subversion 1.6 is out |
| 18:01.31 | starseeker | awesome |
| 18:01.39 | starseeker | checks subversion new features list |
| 18:03.01 | starseeker | hmm... tree conflicts |
| 18:04.19 | starseeker | wonders how they will factor in with stable merges... |
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| 18:05.06 | brlcad | interactive conflict resolution |
| 18:05.06 | starseeker | yay - improved interactive conflict resolution at command line |
| 18:06.21 | starseeker | sqlite is now required |
| 18:13.40 | starseeker | is reminded of other potential uses for sqlite and looks up its docs... |
| 18:14.58 | brlcad | tis very simple to use, pretty tiny lib |
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| 19:37.15 | brlcad | hello BigAToo |
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| 20:25.02 | anirudhsharma | hi any mentors around here |
| 20:25.13 | anirudhsharma | hippie you there ? |
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| 20:28.35 | anirudhsharma | hi starseeker |
| 20:28.38 | anirudhsharma | are you there |
| 20:28.48 | anirudhsharma | need to discuss my thing with you |
| 20:28.52 | anirudhsharma | google soc idea |
| 20:34.56 | hippieindamakin8 | anirudhsharma, yeah |
| 20:35.29 | anirudhsharma | what's your name dude ? |
| 20:35.30 | starseeker | anirudhsharma: what's up? |
| 20:35.37 | anirudhsharma | pretty good , yeah |
| 20:36.33 | anirudhsharma | hey dude |
| 20:36.41 | anirudhsharma | when do the mentors come online |
| 20:36.48 | anirudhsharma | need to discuss my idea with them |
| 20:37.06 | anirudhsharma | since my exams are going on , i can't really :) hehe |
| 20:48.30 | brlcad | tries to go into more detail for daniel |
| 20:50.01 | brlcad | ~anirudhsharma-- |
| 20:50.02 | brlcad | that'd be interesting, use a karma point system while evaluating applicants |
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| 22:02.08 | Ralith | people always work out how to abuse quantitative systems |
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| 23:19.26 | andrecastelo | good evening everyone :) |
| 23:21.50 | madant | andrecatstelo: howdy.. just woke up 4: 45 am here :D |
| 23:24.02 | andrecastelo | madant: hehe, good evening from gmt - 3 :D |
| 23:27.36 | madant | :D what are u upto these days ;) |
| 23:38.54 | andrecastelo | madant: finishing some class projects due to next week ;) |
| 23:39.11 | andrecastelo | i'm trying to move 'open source development' up in the priority list |
| 23:39.13 | andrecastelo | :D |
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| 03:04.45 | yukonbob | hello cadheads |
| 03:05.10 | pacman87 | hi yukonbob |
| 03:05.27 | yukonbob | ah ... hey pacman87 :) |
| 03:08.33 | pacman87 | ~svn |
| 03:08.34 | ibot | Subversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/. |
| 03:08.40 | pacman87 | ~cadsvn |
| 03:08.41 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 03:10.14 | pacman87 | built a new core 2 duo system |
| 03:10.34 | pacman87 | hopefully brlcad won't take 30+ minutes for a full compile now :) |
| 03:27.05 | pacman87 | 11 minutes |
| 03:27.10 | pacman87 | and i forgot to add -j |
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| 04:51.11 | madant | hey pacman87 :) long time no see |
| 04:51.21 | madant | what was ur last system ? |
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| 06:19.44 | jazy | test |
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| 08:30.57 | wojtekszkutnik | hello |
| 08:32.04 | wojtekszkutnik | I'm considering brl-cad for my gsoc 2009 project and was wondering if I could get any details on the "Web-based solid geometry model repository" |
| 08:33.58 | madant | hi wojtekszkutnik , i am not a mentor , but any specific queries ? |
| 08:35.21 | madant | ~help |
| 08:36.05 | wojtekszkutnik | hmm, I'm a web developer so this is the only task I'm considering, I was wondering what features the repository is supposed to have |
| 08:36.22 | wojtekszkutnik | and what kind of intergration with existing tools is expected |
| 08:37.33 | madant | have you ever used brl-cad before ? |
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| 08:38.23 | madant | brl-cad has a vast array of tools .. |
| 08:39.08 | madant | brlcad (Sean) will be able to tell you better regarding what exactly is expected.. he will be back .. stick around ;) |
| 08:40.23 | madant | wojtekszkutnik, offtopic, tell me the name of a nice polish band / music i could listen to :D |
| 08:40.33 | wojtekszkutnik | never used brl-cad but I guess I could learn pretty fast |
| 08:40.36 | wojtekszkutnik | hmm |
| 08:40.57 | wojtekszkutnik | it depends what kind of music you like |
| 08:41.08 | madant | wojtekszkutnik, am sure you could learn it fast.. even if mged has a pretty steep learning curve ;) |
| 08:41.23 | madant | not metal :D |
| 08:41.29 | madant | something melodic :) |
| 08:41.48 | madant | not too much electric guitar and all that :) |
| 08:42.10 | madant | have u checked out the code and tried building it ;) ? |
| 08:42.15 | madant | ~cadsvn |
| 08:42.16 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 08:42.37 | wojtekszkutnik | not yet, was just checking out some projects and saw the repository task ;) |
| 08:43.05 | wojtekszkutnik | hmmh, I could recommend you some pretty decent metal or rock bands |
| 08:43.08 | wojtekszkutnik | oooh I know |
| 08:43.09 | wojtekszkutnik | w8 |
| 08:43.16 | madant | k :) i was a gsoc participant last year.. brl-cad is a kewl org to work with :) |
| 08:43.30 | wojtekszkutnik | I'm 2008 GHOP winner |
| 08:43.31 | wojtekszkutnik | ;) |
| 08:43.38 | madant | hehe.. awesome ;) |
| 08:43.56 | madant | which project did you do :) ? |
| 08:44.09 | wojtekszkutnik | SilverStripe |
| 08:44.21 | wojtekszkutnik | unfortunately they were not accepted for GSoC this year |
| 08:44.46 | madant | ah.. I can see now.. Silverstripe GrandPrize winner :) |
| 08:44.56 | madant | http://code.google.com/opensource/ghop/2007-8/grandprize.html |
| 08:45.18 | wojtekszkutnik | indeed :) |
| 08:45.36 | wojtekszkutnik | madant, do you like jazz? |
| 08:45.40 | madant | sure |
| 08:46.04 | madant | blog.apocalypse.pl dns trouble ? |
| 08:46.33 | wojtekszkutnik | forgot about this one tbh :P |
| 08:46.43 | wojtekszkutnik | I'll fix it, links from google.com are pretty useful |
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| 08:47.26 | wojtekszkutnik | you should try http://www.last.fm/music/Kroke |
| 08:47.58 | madant | is http://www.last.fm/user/madant |
| 08:48.14 | wojtekszkutnik | is http://last.fm/user/pirate-pl |
| 08:48.54 | wojtekszkutnik | http://www.lastfm.pl/music/Krzysztof+Komeda/Rosemary's+Baby |
| 08:50.21 | wojtekszkutnik | http://www.lastfm.pl/music/Tomasz+StaÅko+Quartet |
| 08:50.21 | wojtekszkutnik | http://www.lastfm.pl/music/Pink+Freud |
| 08:50.27 | madant | hehe.. there is a band called Pink Freud :D |
| 08:50.31 | madant | nice :D |
| 08:51.26 | wojtekszkutnik | they're pretty funny ;) |
| 08:51.55 | madant | so now u are in a university ? |
| 08:52.14 | wojtekszkutnik | not yet but I'm starting this year so I'm eglible to SoC |
| 08:52.17 | wojtekszkutnik | http://www.last.fm/music/Leszek+Możdżer |
| 08:53.30 | wojtekszkutnik | http://www.last.fm/music/Smolik |
| 08:53.47 | wojtekszkutnik | http://www.last.fm/music/Anna+Maria+Jopek |
| 08:53.50 | wojtekszkutnik | should be enough ;) |
| 08:54.25 | madant | ;) thanks |
| 08:55.09 | wojtekszkutnik | no problem, just message me via last.fm if you liked it :) |
| 08:55.43 | madant | sure thing ? so have u been toying around with silvestripe since ghop ? |
| 08:56.03 | madant | s/sure thing?/ sure thing! :) |
| 08:56.17 | wojtekszkutnik | yeah, I developed some themes for it |
| 08:56.25 | wojtekszkutnik | wrote some sites based on it |
| 08:56.27 | wojtekszkutnik | etc |
| 08:57.25 | madant | is off to take a nap |
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| 08:57.53 | madant | look forward to seeing a lot of discussion abt web respository on irc and the mailing list soon ;) |
| 08:58.00 | brlcad | too |
| 08:58.08 | brlcad | (can't talk now though) |
| 08:59.49 | brlcad | and (aww, http://blog.apocalypse.pl/ is down) |
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| 10:20.06 | csanyipal | Hi |
| 10:21.05 | csanyipal | I have now Debian GNU/Linux Lenny op. system and want to install on it BRL-CAD from SVN. |
| 10:21.35 | csanyipal | I have downloaded the sources and did sh autogen.sh and configure. |
| 10:21.47 | csanyipal | When I do make I get an error message: |
| 10:22.00 | csanyipal | color.c:27:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 10:22.13 | csanyipal | color.c:32: error: expected ')' before '*' token |
| 10:22.23 | csanyipal | color.c:33: error: expected ')' before '*' token |
| 10:22.26 | csanyipal | etc. |
| 10:22.34 | csanyipal | make[2]: *** [libdm_la-color.lo] Error 1 |
| 10:22.46 | csanyipal | make[2]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src/libdm' |
| 10:22.53 | csanyipal | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 10:23.03 | csanyipal | make[1]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src' |
| 10:23.09 | csanyipal | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 10:23.15 | csanyipal | That's all. |
| 10:23.31 | csanyipal | Is there a solution for this problem? |
| 10:24.14 | csanyipal | I must go now, but I'll return much later.. |
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| 10:41.26 | madant | csanyipal: install libx11-dev ? ( sudo apt-get install libx11-dev) |
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| 13:00.39 | hippieindamakin8 | checks the logs and is happy to find more people using silverstripe |
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| 14:51.30 | pacman87 | madant: my old system was a 2.8 ghz P4, 533MHz FSB, 1280 MB DDR RAM (PC2700) |
| 14:52.14 | pacman87 | now i have a 3 GHz core 2 duo (E8400), with 4GB DDR2-1066MHz |
| 14:52.24 | madant | both sound not that bad ;) |
| 14:52.40 | madant | second one is obviously awesome :D |
| 14:52.44 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 14:53.05 | pacman87 | built it for $700 ish |
| 14:53.06 | madant | which motherboard do u use ? |
| 14:54.06 | pacman87 | http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?Source=MSWD&WishListNumber=9835788 |
| 14:57.03 | madant | Asus video cards are good ? |
| 14:57.18 | pacman87 | i haven't had any trouble |
| 14:57.24 | pacman87 | fan is quiet |
| 15:01.31 | pacman87 | my last gfx card was a PCI geforce 6200 |
| 15:01.48 | pacman87 | fan got really noisy after ~2 years |
| 15:02.14 | pacman87 | so i replaced the fan/heatsink with a northbridge heatsink |
| 15:02.36 | pacman87 | temps went up ~8C |
| 15:02.43 | pacman87 | at idle |
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| 15:57.55 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, hey |
| 15:58.44 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, hey |
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| 16:00.21 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, a good polish band to listen to is riverside. they are very melodic and progressive w.r.t their compositions |
| 16:11.44 | madant | hippieindamakin8, will check them out ;- |
| 16:11.56 | madant | off to bed |
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| 18:15.06 | csanyipal | madant: I just installed libx11-dev, and did make clean, sh autogen.sh, ./configure, and make but get again another error message: |
| 18:15.22 | csanyipal | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:15.33 | csanyipal | make[2]: *** [btclsh] Error 1 |
| 18:15.44 | csanyipal | make[2]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src/bwish' |
| 18:16.01 | csanyipal | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 18:16.11 | csanyipal | make[1]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src' |
| 18:16.19 | csanyipal | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
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| 10:57.22 | csanyipal | Howdy |
| 11:03.55 | csanyipal | Still I can't to install brlcad on to my Debian Lenny system using SVN. |
| 11:04.47 | csanyipal | I have installed now libx11-dev but get another error message: |
| 11:05.04 | csanyipal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.10 | csanyipal | make[2]: *** [btclsh] Error 1 |
| 11:05.14 | csanyipal | etc. |
| 11:05.39 | csanyipal | What package should I install to solve this problem? |
| 12:27.42 | louipc | csanyipal: it might be helpful to see some of the previous lines of build output. |
| 13:16.14 | madant | csanyipal, and most probably the btclsh error can be fixed by using --enable-all during the configure |
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| 13:48.12 | brahim | Hi |
| 13:48.29 | brahim | Is there any mentor that can answer my questions? |
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| 14:06.08 | hippieindamakin8 | hey madant |
| 14:37.19 | madant | hey hippieindamakin8 :) |
| 14:37.31 | madant | couldn't listen to riverside will check out now ;) |
| 14:44.51 | hippieindamakin8 | been trying to talk to brlcad (sean) or smbody abt the boundary evaluation problem |
| 14:48.02 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uItqFhe56Rw&feature=related this is a good song |
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| 15:26.38 | csanyipal | loupic, madant: here is the output of the error after I have configured with --enable-all and did make: |
| 15:26.42 | csanyipal | /home/csanyipal/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src/libdm/.libs/libdm.so: undefined reference to `XFreeDeviceList' |
| 15:26.53 | csanyipal | /home/csanyipal/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src/libdm/.libs/libdm.so: undefined reference to `XOpenDevice' |
| 15:27.01 | csanyipal | /home/csanyipal/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src/libdm/.libs/libdm.so: undefined reference to `XSelectExtensionEvent' |
| 15:27.08 | csanyipal | /home/csanyipal/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src/libdm/.libs/libdm.so: undefined reference to `XListInputDevices' |
| 15:27.16 | csanyipal | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 15:27.21 | ``Erik | it's not seeing all the X libs correctly |
| 15:27.29 | csanyipal | make[2]: *** [btclsh] Error 1 |
| 15:27.46 | csanyipal | make[2]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src/bwish' |
| 15:27.59 | ``Erik | also; pleased to be using http://pastebin.bzflag.bz for those |
| 15:28.11 | csanyipal | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 15:28.26 | ``Erik | iirc, BRL-CAD requires both Xlib and Xi |
| 15:28.36 | csanyipal | make[1]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/Letoltese/SVN/brlcad/src' |
| 15:28.40 | ``Erik | yes, those all look like Xi commands |
| 15:28.45 | ``Erik | libXi and libXi-dev |
| 15:28.48 | csanyipal | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 15:29.01 | csanyipal | Erik: OK a'll try that |
| 15:32.18 | ``Erik | continues whining about losing access to the debian box he used to have :/ |
| 15:43.15 | ``Erik | I don't think you'll need to rebuild your libdm.la, so you MIGHT be able to "cd src/bwish && make" to test |
| 15:43.25 | ``Erik | but I'm not sure |
| 15:51.05 | piksi | brlcad: ok, regarding the cooperation(?) in developing bim-like features suitable for architecture in brl-cad, who should i contact in the brl development team? is there a mailing list or some other official channel for such? I'm propably getting financial support from http://www.atl.fi/index.php?id=182 |
| 16:09.56 | ``Erik | chatting in channel or sending to brlcad-devel@ would be appropriate |
| 16:09.58 | ``Erik | "bim"? |
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| 16:38.25 | madant | is stupid enough to have made gymnastic rings :P http://www.instructables.com/id/How_to_make_GymnasticsFitness_Rings_from_PVC_Cond/ |
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| 17:26.55 | kanzure_ | madant_: heh, I've been thinking about a way to export assemblies of CAD files to instructables (or an equivalent) .. such that the instructions are automatically generated. Maybe a potential BRLCAD project. |
| 17:28.50 | madant_ | hey kanzure, |
| 17:29.16 | kanzure_ | I'll get back to the emails later today. I'm a bit on the run at the moment. |
| 17:29.42 | madant_ | aah.. u mean like a record option ? which automatically records the steps and generates the instructions in human readable form |
| 17:30.04 | kanzure_ | yes |
| 17:30.14 | kanzure_ | what do you mean by 'record'? |
| 17:31.02 | kanzure_ | I have some links on this topic, actually. http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/e6479685816e9590 |
| 17:31.07 | madant_ | just a sec :) |
| 17:31.29 | kanzure_ | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/a5b583afade64278 |
| 17:31.36 | kanzure_ | ^ that second link is a better one. |
| 17:32.01 | kanzure_ | in particular it was spawned by the recent 'sudo make me a sandwich' robot, and some further extrapolated discussion |
| 17:34.44 | kanzure_ | "From this design, I created a python script that creates GCode instructions for building the various kebabs. The GCode consists mainly of two parts: instructions that prompt the user to do things: thread a nut on the rod, slide on kebab parts (diagonal ties, washers, etc) and actual instructions that cause the rod to rotate a nut to exactly the right position. The end result is pretty slick: it generates a wizard that serves as both a g |
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| 17:36.12 | kanzure_ | Of course, there's probably a few better ways than gcode to accomplish an "instruction wizard" for CAD assemblies. ;-) |
| 17:38.44 | hippieindamakin8 | hey ``Erik_ |
| 18:08.47 | madant_ | kanzure: i meant say a button record :) which in a sense analyzes all ur following steps and generates the corresponding instructions :D |
| 18:10.29 | madant_ | hippieindamakin8, boundary evaluation problem ? |
| 18:11.14 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah madant_ |
| 18:11.55 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, so u applying this year as a student again? |
| 18:12.20 | madant_ | yes :) |
| 18:13.18 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, u must also be graduating this year eh ? :) |
| 18:13.49 | madant_ | i finished my graduation last year . I will be joining a new program this year :) |
| 18:13.58 | madant_ | took a 1 year sabbatical in between :) |
| 18:14.12 | hippieindamakin8 | dude wish i could do that :| |
| 18:14.17 | madant_ | what about hippieindamakin8 what are u upto ;) ? |
| 18:14.46 | hippieindamakin8 | my parents were strictly against it when i told them that i would take a sabatical for an year :| |
| 18:15.05 | hippieindamakin8 | dude applied here last year couldnt get through :D so apping again |
| 18:15.07 | madant_ | hmm.. yeah understanding parents are hard to come by ;) |
| 18:15.36 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, u used a different nick last year dint u ? |
| 18:15.49 | madant_ | my commit nick is homovulgaris :P |
| 18:16.00 | hippieindamakin8 | exactly :) |
| 18:16.06 | madant_ | which means common man.. but doesnt sound very nice i guess :D |
| 18:16.11 | hippieindamakin8 | so i know :P |
| 18:16.20 | hippieindamakin8 | and u are joining a grad school or wat ? |
| 18:16.33 | madant_ | Who is Mad Ant ? is an anagram of " I, Dawn Thomas" |
| 18:16.59 | hippieindamakin8 | like that one of lord voldemort :P |
| 18:17.23 | madant_ | is not very well versed with Harry Potter etc. |
| 18:17.43 | madant_ | lord voldemort is the anagram of something right ? |
| 18:17.44 | hippieindamakin8 | hehe .. good neways it was a lame series towards the end |
| 18:17.56 | madant_ | oh the series is over ? |
| 18:18.12 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah his actual name. TOM <smthing> <smthing> Riddle |
| 18:18.13 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, yeah. |
| 18:18.35 | madant_ | hippieindamakin8, i have a boundary evaluation trouble in libpc :) |
| 18:18.38 | hippieindamakin8 | neways back to the problem i was interested in |
| 18:19.26 | hippieindamakin8 | goes through the source to get into the libpc folder. |
| 18:19.32 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, tell me |
| 18:20.08 | madant_ | it is about the solver.. while doing the iterations |
| 18:20.24 | madant_ | right now it stores the state of the variables and restores it as a temporary fix :) |
| 18:21.15 | hippieindamakin8 | is going through the pcsolver.cpp |
| 18:21.39 | madant_ | the actual trouble is , if in a list of variables in a constraint network, the first or second variable has the lowest in its domain , it somehow doesn't iterate properly |
| 18:22.03 | madant_ | i mean the trouble is not in pcSolver per se.. must be somewhere in pcVariable* |
| 18:22.22 | hippieindamakin8 | ohk. as in let me understand how this is solving it :| |
| 18:22.42 | madant_ | :) |
| 18:23.35 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, so u have written this lib or wat ? |
| 18:23.50 | madant_ | yep |
| 18:25.18 | madant_ | hippieindamakin8, sorry, were u asking me to explain the process of solving ? |
| 18:25.27 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, no :) |
| 18:25.41 | hippieindamakin8 | i am trying to read up the developer doc |
| 18:26.20 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, i shall get back to u in sometime (shall be going through the doc) |
| 18:28.33 | madant_ | np.. the generic solvers are simple.. it takes the list of all variables, assign a value for each variable in the set, check if the constraints are satisfied , if so adds to the solution, otherwise iterates the variable values continues the process |
| 18:32.49 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, isnt it libpc that is wat takes care of the p&c .the wiki i guess needs an edit (i am talking abt the proposal /developer doc ) |
| 18:34.55 | madant_ | the developer doc on libpc needs to be updated on a lot of aspects, particularly pcMath* and so on.. |
| 18:35.05 | madant_ | will be doing it before this month end |
| 18:35.38 | madant_ | oh u mean the change from pg to pc .. ah well.. that is there :) |
| 18:36.13 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, and the doc is very vague :) |
| 18:36.41 | madant_ | yeah it is from the very primitive stage :) |
| 18:37.52 | madant_ | the effective spectrum of parametrics and constraints is pretty large .. :) in fact you have given me a good thought.. i will devote the next few days to making a proper document.. :) |
| 18:37.55 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, looks like you use c++ builder :) |
| 18:38.08 | madant_ | er ? c++ builder ? |
| 18:38.25 | hippieindamakin8 | i saw this file which includes a .hpp |
| 18:39.47 | madant_ | not sure what u are talking about .. maybe the boost libs ? |
| 18:39.58 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah |
| 18:40.17 | hippieindamakin8 | boost/iterator/............. |
| 18:41.15 | madant_ | ah hippieindamakin8 u meant c++ builder environment ? naah :) |
| 18:41.33 | madant_ | i don't even have access to windows :) gcc and vim :) |
| 18:41.36 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, yeah borland's .. neways leave that |
| 18:42.14 | hippieindamakin8 | hi5 -es madant_ |
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| 18:56.09 | brlcad | yawns |
| 18:56.45 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad |
| 18:57.08 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, how are u? |
| 19:20.31 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 19:21.21 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, hey i wanted to talk to you abt the boundary evaluation problem |
| 19:32.00 | brlcad | is still waiting |
| 19:34.33 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, sorry i was going through the implementation :| |
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| 19:35.23 | brlcad | np :) |
| 19:35.35 | brlcad | irc isnt immediate |
| 19:36.02 | hippieindamakin8 | :) |
| 19:36.06 | hippieindamakin8 | thanks |
| 19:43.07 | madant_ | hippieindamakin8, just so that i am not confused :D the boundary evaluation problem you are talking about is not the libpc one right :D |
| 19:43.23 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, right now as i see/(as mentioned on the wiki) entire operations are done in brep and then converted to csg for display |
| 19:43.38 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, yeah but just wanted to check if i could do smthing there :) |
| 19:44.45 | madant_ | ah sorry, if you saw the boundary evaluation problem trouble somewhere on the site etc. it could mean something else , brlcad would know.. |
| 19:45.38 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, i was a bit confused as well but neways :) |
| 19:46.03 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, i still dint get what you meant by the <if iteration 1 and iteration 2 have same values ..... > |
| 19:46.17 | madant_ | i said that ? :O |
| 19:46.55 | hippieindamakin8 | wait you said if they are lowest in the domain :| (and not same) |
| 19:47.57 | madant_ | hippieindamakin8, i mean the trouble happens if in a particular iteration the first variable has the lowest value or something , the following iterations only keep taking into consideration the other variables.. resulting in a loop.. :D and weirdly this happens only if this lowest value in the domain thing happens as the initial state :D |
| 19:48.05 | madant_ | blah.. that was more confusing i suppose :D |
| 19:55.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0393.2.152.157 07http://brlcad.org * r1287 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* New geometry converter */ |
| 19:58.18 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1288 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: Undo revision 1287 by [[Special:Contributions/93.2.152.157|93.2.152.157]] ([[User talk:93.2.152.157|Talk]]) plenty other more interesting and useful converters for a gsoc project than this |
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| 20:07.09 | brlcad | if someone here made that mod and wants to discuss, speak up |
| 20:07.47 | csanyipal | howdy |
| 20:07.52 | brlcad | howdy csanyipal |
| 20:07.53 | madant_ | howdy csanyipal |
| 20:07.57 | madant_ | yikes :) |
| 20:08.10 | madant_ | csanyipal, did the build work ? |
| 20:08.18 | csanyipal | no, sorry |
| 20:08.32 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, madant_ can u direct me to the code which contains the brep manipulations |
| 20:08.45 | madant_ | did u install the libXi ? |
| 20:09.08 | csanyipal | I did: sudo aptitude install libxi6 libxi-dev |
| 20:09.29 | madant_ | whats the error now ? :) |
| 20:09.41 | csanyipal | wait a little.. |
| 20:11.48 | csanyipal | I must now to run again make to get error message.. |
| 20:20.04 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, the project basically involves optimized conversion of csgs to breps and brep manipulation. |
| 20:22.10 | hippieindamakin8 | runs out to get a quick bit before the cafeteria closes (that is in 10 mins) |
| 20:28.22 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: have you tried looking yet? :) |
| 20:29.13 | brlcad | if you haven't tried, you shouldn't be asking -- if you have, then I'd like to hear what you've found out |
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| 20:41.47 | csanyipal | madant: It's my mistake, now, when I try again to build the brlcad from svn, it's successfully installed. |
| 20:42.04 | csanyipal | Done. |
| 20:42.16 | csanyipal | BRL-CAD Release 7.14.5, Build 20090322 |
| 20:56.08 | csanyipal | madant: mged works. Thanks! :) |
| 20:56.42 | csanyipal | madant_: mged works, thanks! |
| 20:57.40 | brlcad | cool |
| 20:57.45 | brlcad | ~madant++ |
| 20:58.15 | kanzure | madant__: ah, well. Maybe that's the same thing. |
| 21:02.14 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, going through the folder mged rt now |
| 21:04.24 | hippieindamakin8 | checks the code in mged/sedit.h |
| 21:06.56 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: you should always look *before* asking .. :) |
| 21:07.42 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i reached/checked that before asking too . |
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| 21:08.05 | hippieindamakin8 | its taking me a bit more of time to understnd the macros |
| 21:10.02 | csanyipal | by for now! |
| 21:11.16 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i shall go through the exisiting code and the way the implementation is done and i shall get back to u on 23rd morning (w.r.t the east coast time) |
| 21:11.25 | hippieindamakin8 | with a proposal |
| 21:11.33 | brlcad | okay |
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| 02:09.21 | ``Erik__ | fucking goddamn motherfucking |
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| 10:31.31 | d-lo | Mornin! |
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| 13:42.58 | ``Erik | takes a few to say some impolite things to the universe. |
| 13:44.45 | d-lo | ``Erik: Whats going on? |
| 13:45.32 | ``Erik | had a booboo yesterday, no car |
| 13:45.59 | ``Erik | nose drifted on me, the sheriff thinks mebbe something in the steering linkage broke :/ ate a curb, which is a biggie on something like that |
| 13:46.59 | d-lo | injuries? |
| 13:47.04 | ``Erik | given that the blue one had been in a frame damaging episode and the black one was ground hard by a kid who thinks subs are part of a performance car, mebbe I need to STOP buying these things used |
| 13:47.08 | ``Erik | no, it was just a curb bump |
| 13:47.15 | ``Erik | in your car, you woulda laughed and kept rolling |
| 13:47.37 | d-lo | Well, different machines for different purposes. |
| 13:48.03 | ``Erik | I'm gettin' old, man. the purpose is looking more and more like a point A to point B thing |
| 13:48.09 | d-lo | How bad is the insurence deductable going to be? |
| 13:48.14 | ``Erik | 1k |
| 13:48.25 | ``Erik | and my fault, so yet more premium |
| 13:48.25 | d-lo | is having a bad spelin day. |
| 13:48.40 | d-lo | well thats plain shitty. |
| 13:49.14 | ``Erik | I can eat it... the car is paid off and I have enough to run off and buy a reasonably nice car out of pocket, but *shrug* still sucks |
| 13:49.29 | d-lo | take a few years off and get a good ol reliable honda. |
| 13:49.33 | d-lo | :) |
| 13:49.51 | ``Erik | heh, I drove dumber in my old honda than I've done in any of the bmw's :) |
| 13:49.58 | d-lo | Do the damage is all cosmetic? |
| 13:50.00 | ``Erik | was a $300 crapper, and I tore the shit out of it |
| 13:50.09 | ``Erik | no, the front right wheel was shifted |
| 13:50.37 | ``Erik | apparently, I hate the front starboard wheel. A lot. |
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| 13:50.47 | ``Erik | that was the one I demolished in the blue one |
| 13:51.30 | d-lo | I think you need to start driving in the middle of the road. Keep those curbs equidistant ;) |
| 13:51.47 | ``Erik | yeah, y'know, folk around here don't appreciate that missoura style driving |
| 13:52.04 | archivist | just concentrate on driving! |
| 13:52.16 | ``Erik | backroads of the ozarks, people seriously drive in the middle and only move to the side when there's oncoming traffic |
| 13:52.37 | ``Erik | I was concentrating! I just went around the corner to buy a pizza :( the nose drifted out when it REALLY should not have |
| 13:53.01 | ``Erik | I mean, I stop, I turn right, the nose slides... wtf, it's a rear wheel vehicle, if I was being stupid, the ass woulda gave out |
| 13:53.04 | ``Erik | er |
| 13:53.06 | ``Erik | turn left |
| 13:53.11 | ``Erik | (across traffic) |
| 13:53.44 | d-lo | The only accident I have ever been in involved the steering column giving out.... so I know the drill :/ |
| 13:53.45 | ``Erik | starts wondering if some of the debris he collected was not his own and that's what he tagged and slid on O.o |
| 13:54.41 | d-lo | ....you could get a Tesla! |
| 13:55.04 | ``Erik | at the moment, I'm trying to figure out if it'd be more economically viable to buy a used car and sell it when I get my m back, or rent one |
| 13:55.05 | ``Erik | heh |
| 13:55.15 | ``Erik | tesla's are nice, but they have competition in their niche now :) |
| 13:55.38 | d-lo | Does your insurance cover rentals? |
| 13:55.47 | ``Erik | and I kinda like the comfort factor more than the go-kart factor :/ I'm old |
| 13:55.53 | ``Erik | no |
| 13:55.57 | d-lo | feck |
| 13:56.04 | ``Erik | supposedly, allstate has a discount agreement with enterprise |
| 13:56.07 | d-lo | and the BMW dealer doesn't have a loner? |
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| 13:56.10 | ``Erik | but I didn't pay for rental coverage |
| 13:56.37 | ``Erik | I'm sure they do, and they'd probably give me one and a handjob given how much money I've given them, but I'm waiting for the inspector to look over my car |
| 13:56.51 | d-lo | thats the way it always goes, isn't it.... |
| 13:57.04 | ``Erik | indeed |
| 13:57.18 | d-lo | inspector = insurance adjustor? |
| 13:57.21 | ``Erik | I need to push this lisp shit so'z I can get a positive cash flow and retire here :) never drive again heh |
| 13:57.34 | ``Erik | um, she called him an inspector, but I'm sure it's the same |
| 13:57.54 | ``Erik | job is to look over the vehicle and come up with an estimate and options on repair/replacement(iftotalled) |
| 13:59.05 | ``Erik | I'm hoping it's just a matter of some new a-frames, wheel, tire, air dam, fender, and some steering stuff |
| 13:59.27 | d-lo | ah, okay. inspector == adjustor. |
| 13:59.41 | d-lo | so, how did the Po-Po call it? |
| 13:59.59 | ``Erik | the sheriff figured that something in the steering probably broke |
| 13:59.59 | d-lo | Failure to control vehicle or something? |
| 14:00.04 | ``Erik | no ticket |
| 14:00.12 | d-lo | no fault! awesome. |
| 14:00.15 | ``Erik | gave me a ride home |
| 14:00.19 | d-lo | :) |
| 14:00.21 | ``Erik | insurance is saying it's all my fault, of course |
| 14:00.35 | d-lo | well, they have to bill someone :( |
| 14:00.42 | ``Erik | of course |
| 14:00.53 | d-lo | its not like those monthly payments you make actually mean anything... |
| 14:01.00 | ``Erik | doubt I'd have much of a court case, though |
| 14:01.16 | ``Erik | heh, dude, after the blue one, I'm so far ahead I just don't care |
| 14:01.55 | brlcad | or two! |
| 14:01.59 | d-lo | Well, if you work closely with the mechanics, you might be able to have them 'officially state' the failure. Could help keep your rates down. |
| 14:02.11 | ``Erik | perhaps |
| 14:02.15 | ``Erik | I intend to be involved |
| 14:02.25 | ``Erik | hey, brlcad, can I borrow your car for a bit? ;) |
| 14:02.35 | d-lo | brlcad: get to swim today? ;) |
| 14:02.38 | archivist | methinks NO |
| 14:02.45 | brlcad | d-lo: almost! |
| 14:02.52 | brlcad | guy right next to me did |
| 14:03.04 | ``Erik | swim? |
| 14:03.15 | ``Erik | oh, was this a rowwing morning? |
| 14:03.19 | ``Erik | rowing, even |
| 14:03.21 | archivist | fell in |
| 14:03.26 | brlcad | we were on the docks and I was pushing one of the eight-man boats away from the docks |
| 14:03.39 | brlcad | high winds, it was drifting back into the docks and towards our boat |
| 14:04.00 | brlcad | I slip slightly, but got my footing, then I hear *splash* |
| 14:04.09 | d-lo | doh! |
| 14:04.10 | brlcad | my bowman was in the water |
| 14:04.16 | ``Erik | do you wear surf shoes when you do that? |
| 14:04.31 | brlcad | no, there are shoes in the boat |
| 14:04.38 | ``Erik | (guy? as a bowman? I thought they were usually skinny chicks) |
| 14:04.53 | brlcad | so folks are usually in shoes or flip flops, and take them off to get strapped into the boat |
| 14:05.07 | ``Erik | s/are shoes/are no shoes/ ? |
| 14:05.29 | brlcad | 8-man boat, I was in "2 seat", so there's one buy behind me in "1 seat" aka "bow seat", also the "bow man" |
| 14:05.53 | ``Erik | wouldn't that be... a stern man? :D |
| 14:05.54 | brlcad | ``Erik: no, there ARE shoes attached to the boat |
| 14:05.59 | ``Erik | ohhhh |
| 14:06.03 | brlcad | no, they go backwards :) |
| 14:06.40 | ``Erik | ponders turtling when your shoes are bolted to the boat O.o |
| 14:06.54 | brlcad | anyways, basically a guy fell off the docks and into the water |
| 14:07.05 | brlcad | ice freaking cold, 10mph winds |
| 14:07.16 | brlcad | pretty funny, it happens |
| 14:07.36 | d-lo | ``Erik: Shoes glued to boat == incentive not to sink. Its a throw back to the viking days :) |
| 14:07.40 | ``Erik | was in a canoe that rolled in lagoon in mebbe 20f, UNfun |
| 14:07.46 | brlcad | d-lo: hehe, indeed |
| 14:08.08 | brlcad | they are all "quick release" velcro style in case the boat flips |
| 14:08.16 | ``Erik | upside down, wet, freezing... everything goes crazy |
| 14:08.45 | d-lo | 20 degree water will confuse pretty quick :) |
| 14:08.45 | brlcad | one of the things you get tested for in order to row alone, flipping the boat fully strapped in |
| 14:09.17 | ``Erik | assumed the boat was a simple aluminium monocoque structure, didn't think there'd be shoes glued in :) |
| 14:09.26 | d-lo | Hrm, is that a 'phobia? |
| 14:09.33 | brlcad | there's barely any metal on them boats |
| 14:09.37 | brlcad | that'd be insane |
| 14:09.41 | ``Erik | 20f air temp, I'm sure the water was a bit warmer |
| 14:09.44 | brlcad | and heavy |
| 14:09.59 | ``Erik | hm, all fiberglass now? |
| 14:10.04 | brlcad | they're all fibreglass/composites -- just the oar riggers are metal |
| 14:10.17 | ``Erik | pheers nanotube boats |
| 14:10.19 | brlcad | some older boats are thin wood (and insanely heavy) |
| 14:10.40 | ``Erik | aight, I d'no rowing :) canoes and day sailors |
| 14:10.52 | ``Erik | so I'm kinda assuming a lot of canoe traits |
| 14:10.53 | brlcad | they're like bicycles .. the price jacks up really fast to save just a couple pounds weight |
| 14:11.53 | d-lo | only knows boats with a sink/surface ratio == 1.0 ;) |
| 14:12.23 | ``Erik | I thought the person with the box facing 'the wrong way' was called the bowman? is that a... cockswain? |
| 14:12.23 | brlcad | yeah, not really the same construction at all -- most crew boats are so light that you're only allowed to step on just one part in the boat |
| 14:12.24 | brlcad | otherwise it's so thin, you can step right through it |
| 14:12.26 | ``Erik | <-- too weak to row, too fat to be a cockswain :) |
| 14:12.32 | brlcad | heh, coxswain |
| 14:12.44 | ``Erik | cock |
| 14:12.45 | ``Erik | swain |
| 14:13.02 | ``Erik | she's a cock swan, and you know it :> *duck* |
| 14:13.14 | ``Erik | sorry, I'll behave O:-) |
| 14:13.28 | brlcad | oh, most of them are shorty cuties (the girls at least) |
| 14:14.22 | d-lo | phears short girls who can beat most men at arm wrestling 8-| |
| 14:14.50 | ``Erik | coxswain doesn't row, they face the other way and give instructions |
| 14:14.52 | ``Erik | iirc |
| 14:15.00 | archivist | admits watching the ladies 8's in Cambridge UK entertaining |
| 14:15.30 | d-lo | new book: "How to beat a joke to death" by ``Erik . |
| 14:15.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: given your luck with cars, maybe we should get you a motorcycle :-) |
| 14:15.48 | ``Erik | oh... that was a joke? :> |
| 14:15.57 | ``Erik | trying to kill me off, cliff??? |
| 14:16.15 | d-lo | starseeker: I was thinking an uparmored MRAP vehicle. |
| 14:16.17 | archivist | you dont need help |
| 14:16.23 | ``Erik | was on the phone with my mom this morning, she said I needed a jeep, I told her I need a tonka truck |
| 14:16.34 | starseeker | ``Erik: In such a vehicle you would be compelled to drive carefully ;-) |
| 14:16.58 | d-lo | I can see ``Erik in a jeep. That fits. |
| 14:17.09 | starseeker | my grandparents have an old 70s caddy - good luck flipping that sucker |
| 14:17.18 | ``Erik | the nose drifted! it was effin' weird, the sheriff said that something probably broke as I was cornering! |
| 14:17.19 | d-lo | 33" mudders... 152 KC lamps on the double rollbar... |
| 14:17.42 | ``Erik | I mean, from a stop, across a left turn, in a rwd... the nose drifts |
| 14:17.43 | ``Erik | wtf? |
| 14:18.03 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.05 | starseeker | hmm - well, we could get you one of those racing cars that can blow apart and leave the driver intact |
| 14:18.16 | starseeker | brlcad: uh, oh - is he sick? |
| 14:18.20 | ``Erik | how's the dog doing? still trying to stick his nose in fire? |
| 14:18.27 | brlcad | starseeker: no, he's dying |
| 14:18.32 | starseeker | :-( |
| 14:18.33 | ``Erik | starseeker: that's what I have. |
| 14:18.37 | ``Erik | he's what, 17 now? |
| 14:18.42 | brlcad | he's just very old, conjestive heart failure |
| 14:18.47 | brlcad | yeah, 17 |
| 14:18.49 | starseeker | brlcad: sorry to hear that |
| 14:18.52 | d-lo | hell, that sucks. |
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| 14:19.04 | ``Erik | blind, deaf, .. a fighter |
| 14:19.04 | starseeker | remembers what it was like losing his dog when he was young |
| 14:19.05 | brlcad | most days are good, but last night wasn't one of them |
| 14:19.28 | brlcad | he's coming into a higher dosage of meds now, but need to keep an eye on him |
| 14:19.47 | starseeker | you don't find a better friend than a good dog |
| 14:20.05 | ``Erik | sure can smell out a piece of hotdog that fell, though heh :) |
| 14:20.06 | d-lo | brlcad: Are you going to let nature take its course or are you going to have him put down? |
| 14:20.22 | brlcad | d-lo: depends |
| 14:20.47 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh, no kidding. |
| 14:21.05 | brlcad | will let nature take it's course unless he's suffering for more than a day or two |
| 14:21.36 | starseeker | 's dog used to follow us around whenever we brought food out - figured out pretty quick that small kids dropped food a fairly high percentage of the time |
| 14:21.41 | d-lo | brlcad: we made the same choice when it came to Sandy's 15 y/o cat. |
| 14:21.59 | brlcad | he's only had two brief episodes where he's what I'd consider suffering, only to get better the next days (and stay better for a couple months afterwards) |
| 14:22.33 | d-lo | well thats good then. |
| 14:22.58 | ``Erik | at j-lo's bday a couple years ago, we went to the park off the road to the island, brlcad's dog kept trying to shove his face into the coals to get at grease drippings and bits of hotdogs and hamburgers :) |
| 14:23.11 | starseeker | ow |
| 14:23.22 | starseeker | j-lo? |
| 14:23.35 | ``Erik | wow, a couple years ago heh :( nettie was preggo iirc, and twingy's gf was visiting or something |
| 14:24.19 | starseeker | dogs are crazy for food even when they can see |
| 14:24.57 | ``Erik | googles for "dognip" |
| 14:25.05 | brlcad | he would have totally gone for that food even with his eyesight |
| 14:25.07 | ``Erik | huh, whuddya know, "meat" |
| 14:25.12 | starseeker | ours was given a piece of cake for his birthday once - he ate it in one gulp, realized what it was and proceeded to spend the next 10 minutes chasing the plate all over the yard licking at it |
| 14:25.20 | brlcad | and probably gotten it without getting hurt even, but didn't want to risk it with him blind |
| 14:25.57 | ``Erik | plus the issue of the grill burning the top of his head :( poor little guy |
| 14:26.37 | brlcad | barney lives to eat, the days he can't eat are the days I know he's not happy.. when there are fewer happy days than unhappy days, it'll be time |
| 14:27.17 | starseeker | nods |
| 14:27.34 | ``Erik | he's a good little guy, I'm glad I got to meet him :) |
| 14:28.06 | brlcad | starseeker: couple years ago I accidentally dropped an entire buffalo wing (drumstick) .. big one too .. barney snatched it up and swallowed it whole in about half a second |
| 14:28.18 | starseeker | hehe |
| 14:28.20 | ``Erik | wow, that musta hurt the next day |
| 14:28.20 | brlcad | I just blinked in disbelief, moment of panic, more disbelief |
| 14:28.33 | brlcad | nope, didn't even phase him |
| 14:28.48 | starseeker | has concluded that "gulp then taste" approach is common to most dogs |
| 14:29.03 | starseeker | at least, until they get fed an onion |
| 14:29.18 | ``Erik | hah |
| 14:29.24 | brlcad | thing is, he's a tiny dog .. I swear the drumstick was bigger than his mouth |
| 14:29.36 | starseeker | wow |
| 14:29.36 | brlcad | like a snake, detached that jaw and sucked it down |
| 14:29.37 | ``Erik | gf's son just decided he likes onion a lot, still trying to puzzle that one out |
| 14:30.06 | starseeker | has fought the good fight against onions for 20 years ;-) |
| 14:30.22 | starseeker | brlcad: impressive :-) that would have made a great video |
| 14:30.30 | ``Erik | I used to hate them, decided I love 'em... nice bulking item |
| 14:30.39 | ``Erik | heh, youtube ftw? O.o |
| 14:31.05 | starseeker | depending on the dog/drumstick size ratio, could have made america's funniest |
| 14:31.12 | ``Erik | he swallowed the bone? |
| 14:31.30 | d-lo | "Drumstick/Dog size ratio" ......lol |
| 14:31.47 | starseeker | new standard unit |
| 14:32.21 | starseeker | alrightie, time to stick the bills in the mail (ouch) |
| 14:32.21 | ``Erik | my car gets 32 kfc drumsticks to the poodle, and that's how I like it! |
| 14:32.22 | brlcad | ``Erik: he swallowed the drumstick thing whole, one swipe |
| 14:32.40 | brlcad | nice big breaded one from pats |
| 14:33.21 | starseeker | ``Erik: I wouldn't tell the SPCA you consider poodles a unit of distance ;-) |
| 14:33.22 | ``Erik | 'k, I'm not a chicken eater, it has chemical reprecussions... so'z help me out here, there was bone inside of what your dog swallowed? |
| 14:33.33 | ``Erik | unit of volume, starseeker, get it right |
| 14:33.50 | starseeker | well, from the standpoint of a car... |
| 14:36.29 | d-lo | I *think* the next Top Gear is the one where they are going to be road testing the Tesla and a bunch of other 'alternate' fuel cars... i really wanna see that one. |
| 14:37.11 | ``Erik | would rather just work from home and have the needed stores be walking distance :( |
| 14:37.39 | brlcad | ``Erik: yes, a pretty big one |
| 14:37.58 | ``Erik | brlcad: and he... didn't have issue passing it? O.O |
| 14:38.25 | d-lo | ``Erik: would like to see a nation wide system of pneumatic tubes. Even if they only moved things and not people. *THOOMP* "Honey! Pizza's here!" |
| 14:38.28 | ``Erik | I'm thinkin' something mebbe 15 cm long |
| 14:38.33 | ``Erik | 10-15 |
| 14:38.49 | ``Erik | *thoomp* wait, suicide booth? BITE MY SHINEY METAL ASS |
| 14:38.53 | d-lo | lol |
| 14:39.19 | _sushi_ | lol |
| 14:39.29 | _sushi_ | I have a pneumatic tube on my bicycle |
| 14:39.33 | _sushi_ | Makes a smooth ride |
| 14:40.11 | ``Erik | dave, I think I have my lithp distance calculator working correctly, I need to test it out some... if it works, then I can do a pretty simple a* style 'best path' solver |
| 14:40.23 | d-lo | lithp? haha |
| 14:40.39 | ``Erik | lithp, yeth. yethterdayth flight gave me thome coding time |
| 14:40.40 | d-lo | Sexy! |
| 14:41.18 | ``Erik | once I have teh fng data in, I'm thinking the appropriate algo is to: |
| 14:41.48 | ``Erik | take the subset of jg's higher than current. For each, solve which is the shortest time to terminal desination. |
| 14:42.08 | ``Erik | Given the best single move, repeat. |
| 14:42.57 | ``Erik | reasonable? |
| 14:43.05 | d-lo | Hrm, whats the problem you are trying to solve? I don't see it. |
| 14:43.26 | ``Erik | um, I have a fleet at alpha, I want to get to beta... what's the fastest I can get there? |
| 14:43.33 | ``Erik | give me the convoluted path |
| 14:43.39 | brlcad | ``Erik: sorta like these: (but a lil bigger) http://www.ironhorsepa.com/wings.jpg |
| 14:44.04 | ``Erik | there's nothing in that image to confer size |
| 14:44.10 | brlcad | no trouble passing it at all (he's used to eating tons of wierd stuff -- he used to eat almost whatever I ate) |
| 14:44.26 | ``Erik | scale, rather |
| 14:44.53 | d-lo | okay got it. How does the logic handle if yoru fleet isn't on a FNG controlled planet? or a planet without a JG? |
| 14:45.23 | d-lo | brlcad: damn it, now I am hungry. |
| 14:45.28 | ``Erik | d-lo: say I have fleet in a sector on no jg, there's a l2 jg in the secor, there's an l9 jg in the region, I want to go to a new galaxy... I assume my algo will tell me to jump to the l2, then jump to the l9, then jump to the target |
| 14:45.47 | ``Erik | 0 is a valid number, I'm not roman. |
| 14:46.04 | brlcad | d-lo: me too! |
| 14:46.20 | d-lo | ``Erik: okay, cool. Then yes, sounds reasonable. |
| 14:46.21 | ``Erik | *sob* and I ain't got no car to meet up |
| 14:46.43 | d-lo | The 'distance' logic in AE is rather stupid if I remember correctly. |
| 14:46.46 | ``Erik | I'm fighting the urge to over-engineer and bring up guild-hopping, though I'd like it |
| 14:46.52 | d-lo | ``Erik: I'll fly if you buy :) |
| 14:46.57 | ``Erik | stupid stupid, not stupid easy |
| 14:47.04 | ``Erik | I'm ~45 minutes from post |
| 14:47.28 | d-lo | eh, its monday. quiet as death around here. |
| 14:47.41 | ``Erik | there're 3 distinct computation paths for intergalactic distance |
| 14:47.46 | ``Erik | it's fugly |
| 14:48.05 | d-lo | i remember finding an image that showed the basics of 'distance' |
| 14:48.13 | d-lo | I personally thought it was stupid |
| 14:48.16 | ``Erik | I think I pasted tat pentagram around |
| 14:48.51 | ``Erik | it's what made me look for a x5, so I could maximize my trade partners |
| 14:50.05 | ``Erik | if'n someone wants to cruise by to pick me up and head to something like duclaws or la tolteca or soemthing, I'll buy their lunch... it's a trip, though |
| 14:50.13 | ``Erik | so'z I don't expect any takers :) |
| 14:50.43 | d-lo | I hven't seen any coordination here for lunch... yet. |
| 14:51.51 | ``Erik | if I'm gonna be involved, coordination has to be, like, now. :) it's all cool, I mean, I'm too far away |
| 14:52.06 | brlcad | folks interested in being a mentor should log in at http://socghop.appspot.com and request it |
| 14:52.10 | ``Erik | ain't no hard feelings if ya'll don't go through fruity hoops and drive way out of your way |
| 14:52.38 | ``Erik | I'm listed as admin on that, does that mean I'm not a regular mentor? |
| 14:52.47 | brlcad | ``Erik, d-lo, starseeker, yukonbob come to mind for starters |
| 14:53.09 | brlcad | ``Erik: being an admin is separate from being a mentor |
| 14:53.28 | ``Erik | I can take a student if needed, or I can just sit back and help questions... I think I'll pass on the summit, though, ok? |
| 14:53.36 | brlcad | sure |
| 14:53.47 | brlcad | nice to send new folks each year anyways |
| 14:53.56 | ``Erik | that's what I was thinking |
| 14:54.13 | ``Erik | <-- felt awful out of place last year :/ |
| 14:54.28 | brlcad | plus you'd get to avoid chicago and large bottles of vodka :) |
| 14:54.40 | ``Erik | well, chicago, mebbe |
| 14:54.47 | ``Erik | though it's not that bad of a spot |
| 14:55.03 | brlcad | you weren't exactly happy-go-lucky in the airport |
| 14:55.04 | ``Erik | I just spent time in layover in minneapolis and charlotsville |
| 14:55.19 | ``Erik | I hate flying. I hate what 9/11 has turned flying into. |
| 14:55.34 | brlcad | suspects you haded flying before security changes |
| 14:55.39 | brlcad | hated even too |
| 14:55.41 | ``Erik | no, I used to love it |
| 14:55.46 | ``Erik | especially small planes |
| 14:55.59 | brlcad | well, outside of missouri, large international airports |
| 14:56.03 | ``Erik | I want to get my private v license, mebbe a sports license |
| 14:56.04 | brlcad | lots of peeps on the move |
| 14:56.49 | ``Erik | I dislike crowds, and I dislike the strip search "everyone's a criminal until proven otherwise" approach to airport security |
| 14:57.35 | ``Erik | but I love the feeling of a small twin turboprop wiggling up into the air |
| 14:59.19 | ``Erik | (didn't help that I was desperate for a piss when ya got pulled over) |
| 15:00.22 | d-lo | I am not a big fan of small aircraft's ability to rapidly drop in altitude and make your complimentry Coke hover 8" off your tray table. |
| 15:00.34 | d-lo | It tests my faith in engineering a bit. |
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| 15:01.07 | ``Erik | haven't had that episode yet, but, zomfg, I want to! |
| 15:01.46 | ``Erik | and damn well engineered aircraft can sustain -8 g's... so, uh, the engineering is there, dude |
| 15:01.51 | ``Erik | the pilot may not be, but ... |
| 15:01.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03137.71.226.54 07http://brlcad.org * r1290 10/wiki/Documentation: Undo revision 1289 by [[Special:Contributions/137.71.226.54|137.71.226.54]] ([[User talk:137.71.226.54|Talk]]) |
| 15:01.59 | d-lo | small twin turbo out or Albany, NY to Cinncinati. Hit some weather blowing off the great lakes.... unfun. |
| 15:02.54 | ``Erik | I'd like to get a vfr commutor and sport license as some point in my life |
| 15:03.12 | ``Erik | with a seaplane label, if I can |
| 15:03.15 | d-lo | just because the Engineers planned something on paper/computer bears nothing on how its put together on the assembly line nor on the underpaid,slackass maintainers/mechanics :) |
| 15:03.23 | ``Erik | well |
| 15:03.34 | ``Erik | the weather and the pilot had issues... it was bad |
| 15:03.44 | ``Erik | did the wings come off of the plane? no? then the engineers were good |
| 15:04.09 | d-lo | Heh, you would make a horrible Nuke :P |
| 15:04.22 | ``Erik | if your drinks are at 0g in a sustained bit due to such a conflict, I'd imagine the engineers did good |
| 15:04.23 | ``Erik | :) |
| 15:05.09 | ``Erik | yeah, ya nukes are all pansies |
| 15:05.25 | d-lo | Mushrooms, we are all *Mushrooms* |
| 15:05.29 | d-lo | there is a difference. |
| 15:05.36 | ``Erik | "omg, I dropped this 20 pound wrench on my toe when I was barefoot, even though the sign says wear stealtoes... qq, ) |
| 15:05.47 | d-lo | lol |
| 15:06.09 | d-lo | thats 'Darwinism in Action' right there. |
| 15:07.07 | ``Erik | I wouldn't wanna be a nuke, I know I fuck up, I fuck up a lot... in code, I catch MOST of those... but before people die, someone else gets a fair shot at what I did |
| 15:07.16 | ``Erik | and, y'know, if I fuck up, tell me ! I love it, it makes me better. |
| 15:08.33 | d-lo | Nah, I only said that because of your Engineering Atttitude :) I will refine that statement and say that you would make a great Nuke Electrician, but not a good Nuke Electronics Tech or Mechanic :) |
| 15:08.46 | d-lo | Wire-biters get away with a lot :) |
| 15:08.53 | ``Erik | I'd never want to be a dike wrangler. |
| 15:09.26 | d-lo | lol, thats a new one. |
| 15:09.39 | ``Erik | I don't like people getting dead, I want as many folk between me and them as possible |
| 15:12.05 | ``Erik | so help me out here, you stated 3 or so MOS's, which is which? |
| 15:14.05 | d-lo | Not MOS's, ratings:) |
| 15:14.42 | d-lo | Nukes are MM's, EM's, and ET's: Machinist Mate, Electrician Mate, and Electronics Technicians. |
| 15:14.59 | ``Erik | rating like E-X ? |
| 15:15.19 | d-lo | -or- Knuckle Draggers, Wire-biters, and Twigets. |
| 15:15.38 | d-lo | i dont understand 'e-x'... |
| 15:15.56 | ``Erik | oh, e3 e5 e8... |
| 15:16.01 | ``Erik | all bow down, it's an e9 |
| 15:16.07 | ``Erik | bwahahhaha, basic, an e1 |
| 15:16.15 | d-lo | thats rank, not to be confused with rate |
| 15:16.56 | d-lo | rate = job, rank = position in food chain. |
| 15:17.14 | ``Erik | ahh |
| 15:17.43 | ``Erik | so help me out here, what's the laymans vew of mm em et |
| 15:18.06 | ``Erik | and, uh, ne |
| 15:18.52 | d-lo | EM = Electricians. Handle mainline power, generators, converters, blah blah, blah... basiclally any electronics/electrical not directly reactor related. |
| 15:19.09 | d-lo | ET = Electronics Techs. Handle the solid state Reactor Protection junk. |
| 15:19.22 | d-lo | ET = low voltage wimps. |
| 15:19.46 | d-lo | MM = Mechanics. Pipes, steam, oil systems, cooling systems, etc. |
| 15:20.24 | d-lo | and then the sub group of MM's called ELTs (Engineeing Lab Techs) who do all the water and radio chemistry. |
| 15:20.55 | _sushi_ | d-lo: are you sure youre not divulging any army secrets? |
| 15:20.59 | d-lo | Throw in an o-ganger to keep us dirty enlisted from taking over the engineroom and voila, you have EngDiv of a sub. |
| 15:21.05 | ``Erik | in your parlance, I woulda probably gone towards et before I decided to say "fuck all ya'll" to the military :) |
| 15:21.18 | ``Erik | still not sure what "nuke electrician" qualifies as :) |
| 15:21.33 | d-lo | _sushi_: Army? nope. This is all Navy :) and its not secret in any way. Just ask Google. |
| 15:21.39 | d-lo | EM |
| 15:21.39 | ``Erik | karel: 'sall navy, and I'm sure it's all in wikipedia |
| 15:22.18 | d-lo | EM = Electrician's Mate (rate) |
| 15:23.08 | ``Erik | shittiest $1017 pizza ever. |
| 15:23.21 | d-lo | ranks: (from E1 to E9): SR EMFA, EMFN, EM3, EM2, EM1, EMC, EMCS, EMCM |
| 15:23.51 | d-lo | :/ I can imagine. |
| 15:25.07 | ``Erik | I have to go get rich so I can make someone else drive me |
| 15:25.07 | ``Erik | did enough jrotc to come in as e3, but is too old now |
| 15:25.14 | ``Erik | also; I d'no if I want my title to be "semen" |
| 15:25.36 | d-lo | Electricians are Firemen :) |
| 15:25.43 | d-lo | hoooya! |
| 15:25.57 | ``Erik | does that mean ya'll start fires? ;) |
| 15:26.15 | d-lo | Aquitted. No Proof. |
| 15:26.41 | ``Erik | SO |
| 15:26.45 | ``Erik | I had a brainfart the other day |
| 15:26.45 | d-lo | Butyes, I have been party to a 27,000V fire :/ |
| 15:26.58 | ``Erik | on transportation between solar systems |
| 15:27.10 | ``Erik | got time to talk shit? |
| 15:27.13 | d-lo | Transformer varnish stinks when it melts :( |
| 15:27.18 | d-lo | sure. |
| 15:27.18 | ``Erik | oh hell yeah |
| 15:27.37 | ``Erik | fucking transformers are the stinkiest components around until you overload a dielectric capacitor |
| 15:28.12 | d-lo | I have only seen one of them big oil filled caps blow. that was just messy, not stinky. |
| 15:28.19 | ``Erik | here's my thought, every ss is connect to another by a brane, some solar systems have multible branes, each starting ss has a single brain |
| 15:28.27 | d-lo | so, brainfart = good or bad? |
| 15:28.59 | d-lo | hold on. this brainstorming for a new game concept? |
| 15:29.14 | ``Erik | branes are randmonly linked between planets, so even if you have the physical location of a planet, you may not have the shortest path to it |
| 15:29.19 | ``Erik | ae knockoff |
| 15:29.25 | d-lo | kk, onboard now. |
| 15:29.52 | d-lo | okay, a game I am stealing conepts from calls branes 'Starlanes' |
| 15:29.57 | d-lo | so I gotcha |
| 15:30.03 | ``Erik | it's an old string theory idea |
| 15:30.37 | ``Erik | but the notion is that solar systems are connected by subspace rifts that can be ridden |
| 15:30.56 | ``Erik | physical locality is seperate from "hyperspace" locality |
| 15:31.40 | ``Erik | players start in fairly isolated areas and access the big mess later in their career |
| 15:32.06 | d-lo | big mess = the rest of the super vast universe? |
| 15:32.20 | ``Erik | and there's no easy way to know how long ti takes to get to a target given just its coordinates |
| 15:32.23 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 15:32.56 | d-lo | check this link: |
| 15:32.59 | d-lo | http://www2.worldvillage.com/wv/gamezone/images/screens/asc1.jpg |
| 15:33.21 | ``Erik | ok, what'm I looking at? |
| 15:33.30 | d-lo | game is called acendancy. the dots on the screen are solar systems and the lines represent the only travelable paths between systems. |
| 15:33.58 | d-lo | its also a 2D screenshot of a 3D universe, so its slightly flattened. |
| 15:33.58 | ``Erik | sounds about right |
| 15:34.10 | ``Erik | it's not a new concept, just one I haven't seen much |
| 15:34.22 | d-lo | Personnally, I love the idea. |
| 15:34.33 | ``Erik | I'm trying to put the playability into aspect here :) |
| 15:34.39 | d-lo | puts some 'geographical' stragedy back into the game. |
| 15:34.59 | d-lo | 'Take this system and we can lock down this whole sector..." |
| 15:35.02 | ``Erik | also reduces guild-centric stuff a bit |
| 15:35.24 | ``Erik | this wussy is no longer "just right there", but down this twisted narrow unmapped path |
| 15:35.57 | d-lo | Ascendancy is Abandonware, you sould grab a DL and check some of the ascpects of game play. they have some wicked ideas. |
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| 15:36.19 | hippieindamakin8 | hey madant_ |
| 15:36.23 | ``Erik | ah, abandonia for the win |
| 15:36.55 | madant_ | hey hippieindamakin8 , just about steeping out.. how's the proposal coming along |
| 15:36.58 | ``Erik | I'll have to grab a dos emulator |
| 15:36.58 | d-lo | right on. |
| 15:37.22 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, working on it :| |
| 15:37.22 | d-lo | DosBox makes it super easy. Ascendancy runs 'out of the box' i think. |
| 15:39.23 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, got 3 term papers this week :| one on "geometric approximation via coresets","curve fitting of unorganized data points" and "NOx emmisions" |
| 15:39.30 | hippieindamakin8 | *due this week |
| 16:52.54 | starseeker | brlcad: thinking about a "material object" as distinct from a "geometry object" in the database - would it be desirable to store all material objects by default in a hidden _materials toplevel combination or some such? |
| 16:52.55 | starseeker | or maybe just not list them by default with ls? |
| 16:55.53 | starseeker | also, would we want to define a default structure for such objects that stores certain "standard" info, or just use an attribute system to attach attributes to the material object? |
| 16:57.01 | starseeker | 's inclination would be to at least have density and shader settings as default information |
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| 17:50.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34062 10/brlcad/trunk/db/goliath.asc: Add source attribute to goliath model. |
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| 18:15.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34063 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 18:15.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Switch brlman from a wrapper invoking awf to a wrapper invoking the system man |
| 18:15.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: command. awf is not able to correctly handle output generated by the new |
| 18:15.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: docbook man page generation process. The brlman shortcut is preserved for those |
| 18:15.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: not wishing to manually specify the path to the BRL-CAD man pages. awf |
| 18:15.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: originally was intended to supply man page reading functionality on systems |
| 18:15.38 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: without their own man command, but nowadays the only major environment without a |
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| 19:09.05 | brlcad | starseeker: .g files already have object categorization for geometric and non-geometric |
| 19:11.05 | brlcad | major type 3 is particularly relevant and would probably be what to use |
| 19:13.35 | brlcad | got a build failure after 34063 |
| 19:23.36 | starseeker | hmm |
| 19:23.38 | starseeker | rebuilds |
| 19:24.02 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:24.04 | starseeker | sorry |
| 19:27.19 | starseeker | prods CIA |
| 19:29.13 | starseeker | brlcad: should be fixed now |
| 19:33.22 | starseeker | brlcad: you're referring to DB5_MAJORTYPE_ATTRIBUTE_ONLY in db5.h? |
| 19:36.13 | brlcad | well yeah, that's the low-level implementation detail |
| 19:36.40 | brlcad | you can read about it a little bit on the v5 spec document, http://brlcad.org/OLD/newdb/newdb.html |
| 19:41.38 | brlcad | rationale and organizational layout from there is good |
| 19:43.41 | starseeker | can minor types be assigned to this type of major type as well? |
| 19:44.42 | brlcad | all objects have a major+minor |
| 19:52.32 | brlcad | right now, all DB5_MAJORTYPE_ATTRIBUTE_ONLY objects are minor type 0 |
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| 20:07.14 | starseeker | suggests creating a minor type for material objects |
| 20:26.20 | brlcad | probably a good idea |
| 20:27.12 | brlcad | but that'd also imply a different structure to the underlying private data |
| 20:27.26 | brlcad | which may or may not be the case, depends on the implementation |
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| 21:45.24 | brlcad | cheers for progress |
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| 22:42.24 | starseeker | sees two types of data that it would make immediate sense to associate with a material object. One is (obviously) the density, and the other is shader properties |
| 22:43.00 | starseeker | shader properties might be either directly stored in the material object, or might be created as a "shader object" which is then pointed to by the material object |
| 22:43.58 | starseeker | I'm not sure of the relative merits, offhand |
| 22:45.55 | starseeker | there would be a (very slight) space savings for cases where no shader settings are defined or two materials share the same shader settings if shader objects were used, but unless there is some other use for shader objects the extra abstraction might just clutter up the database with 2x the needed object names |
| 22:46.27 | starseeker | in the case where all materials DO have their own shaders |
| 22:47.10 | brlcad | shaders would actually be another potential object type |
| 22:47.20 | starseeker | right |
| 22:47.26 | brlcad | where a given material references some shader object(s) |
| 22:47.39 | starseeker | is it worth the extra abstraction? |
| 22:47.47 | brlcad | the point, though, with regards to the minor type is how it is actually stored |
| 22:47.50 | brlcad | the bits in the record |
| 22:48.22 | starseeker | hmm. |
| 22:48.26 | brlcad | since you could conceivably implement the whole thing as-is and handle it just as transparently at the api level |
| 22:48.32 | brlcad | or app level even |
| 22:48.46 | brlcad | as that is domain-specific (which is exactly what the attributes were designed to support) |
| 22:49.32 | starseeker | nods - I had been assuming what makes the material object interesting is the density being an "attribute on an attribute", so to speak |
| 22:50.42 | starseeker | we could of course stuff the info into material_name and material_density attributes on regions |
| 22:51.42 | brlcad | right |
| 22:51.54 | brlcad | then it's just an issue of data replication and verification |
| 22:52.17 | brlcad | i'm leaning towards just doing exactly like what we do with combinations |
| 22:52.22 | brlcad | everything is a named reference |
| 22:53.34 | starseeker | I'm not following - what are you referencing for material info? |
| 22:53.41 | brlcad | so there would still be a material id attribute of sorts, but instead of being GIFTmater=4, it would become something like material="steel", and there would be an attribute/material object named 'steel' with the information for that material |
| 22:53.55 | starseeker | ah |
| 22:54.20 | starseeker | likes the idea of there being one material object named "steel" per db |
| 22:54.31 | brlcad | the combination reference is if I have a combination that is u sph1 u sph2, those are named references that imply there are (or should be) objects named sph1 and sph2 |
| 22:54.41 | starseeker | right |
| 22:54.58 | starseeker | so a material attribute implies there should be a steel material object |
| 22:55.07 | brlcad | if they're just treated as objects, then databases can be merged together and the same logic we use now for name collisions applies |
| 22:55.15 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:55.18 | brlcad | right |
| 22:55.22 | starseeker | I like it |
| 22:55.49 | starseeker | that also avoids two regions claiming to be steel but with differrent material_density attributes, since they're both referencing the same steel material object |
| 22:55.56 | brlcad | then if down the road we wanted to assign textures or shaders, that would maybe be a similarly assigned attribute |
| 22:56.02 | brlcad | (on the material object) |
| 22:56.12 | starseeker | nice |
| 22:56.27 | starseeker | starting to "feel" like a BRL-CAD-esque solution |
| 22:57.09 | brlcad | I believe in the original material design we worked on a few years back, there was even a way to base one material off of an existing material, giving hierarchical properties |
| 22:57.22 | brlcad | something to think about again if it gets a proper object |
| 22:57.47 | starseeker | 's current thought on shaders is to expand the densities parsing to (optionally) handle shader settings - when a material object is created from a densities file, it could optionally generate the shader object if supplied (and not already found in the database) |
| 22:58.24 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm. what material properties would you want to inherit? a density defined as a function of another density? |
| 22:59.21 | brlcad | on an only somewhat related side note, I think shader objects are a fantastic direction to go in |
| 22:59.32 | brlcad | instead of the shader string presently used |
| 22:59.50 | starseeker | whole-heartedly agrees |
| 22:59.51 | brlcad | a lot more complicated though |
| 23:02.42 | brlcad | starseeker: basically it's like classes or scopes -- answering your inheritance question -- there are a set of parameters for a given material like it's density, modulus, strength, shearing factors, shader properties, etc |
| 23:03.22 | starseeker | what are you seeing as the major complications with shader objects? |
| 23:03.30 | starseeker | ah, got it |
| 23:03.32 | brlcad | there are very often materials used that are just slight tweaks of other materials -- a variant of "steel" that is "hardened steel #83" that has all the same properties as the prevoius 82 but this one has a slightly different density |
| 23:04.46 | brlcad | material properties are fairly fixed (e.g., minimally just need a name and a density) -- there are a set of attributes that can be itemized |
| 23:05.12 | brlcad | shaders, though, are a little more dynamic, are wildly different from shader to shader |
| 23:06.19 | brlcad | just would have to be careful to implement a shader object so that the serialized guts aren't going to limit "upgrades" |
| 23:07.07 | brlcad | I can add a new parameter to the pervasive phong shader now and it won't hose anything or require the latest version to work, if it was tied to a db object and binary parsing, that becomes something we'd have to pay attention to |
| 23:12.05 | starseeker | hmm |
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| 23:42.52 | ``Erik | wonders how embedded parms would interact with other rendering methods (edge, photon mapping, radar analysis, etc) |
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| 03:16.22 | starseeker | brlcad: when did version 5 of the db format become the default? |
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| 03:29.45 | Briggs | quick question for anyone who knows: Would BRL-CADS NMG booleans be suitable to just doing boolean operations on complex 2d polygon data? |
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| 04:07.08 | dreeves | ffghk/ |
| 04:21.40 | Ralith | Briggs: doubtful; BRL-CAD is all about volumes, and 2D stuff has no volume, and thus might as well not exist. |
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| 04:22.50 | Briggs | Ralith: thought that might be the case. |
| 04:23.29 | Ralith | Briggs: you could, of course, extrude the polygons. |
| 04:23.42 | Briggs | then I just end up having to delete data. |
| 04:23.43 | Briggs | but might work. |
| 04:24.39 | Briggs | actually I could have two polygons, back to back and that would satisfy the euler-poincare forumla while still being completely flat :) |
| 04:24.47 | Briggs | I doubt that BRL-CAD would like that though |
| 04:26.15 | Ralith | I'd be surprised if there weren't tools more appropriate for handling boolean ops on 2D datasets anyway |
| 04:26.40 | Briggs | Ralith: there are... but I'm looking for something that has liberal licensing for the time being |
| 04:26.59 | Ralith | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:27.19 | Briggs | its part of a much bigger application/framework for generating models procedurally from GIS data. |
| 04:28.13 | Briggs | 2d booleans just small part of that. Most electronic map data comes in polygons that need to be joined togather when they cross cell boundaries. |
| 04:29.19 | Briggs | 3d booleans are also a part of that later as well, but I know that wont be a problem for NMG :) |
| 04:43.08 | brlcad | starseeker: with release 6 iirc |
| 04:44.43 | brlcad | Briggs: hm, interesting -- in theory, it'll work if you only use the lower-level functions (e.g. clip this polygon against this one, etc), but like ralith said, it is doubtful in general |
| 04:45.09 | brlcad | and no, you can't have two polys back to back -- it'll detect that as a degenerate condition |
| 04:45.16 | Briggs | brlcad: yeah. Most 2d clippers seem to be heavily optimized using sweepline algorithms that are a lot faster than having to consider general 3d case. |
| 04:45.30 | Briggs | brlcad: really? even if it satisfies manifold condition? |
| 04:45.41 | Briggs | or do you mean the booleans will consider it degenerate, not NMG nessecarilly. |
| 04:46.00 | brlcad | right |
| 04:46.04 | Briggs | gotcha :) |
| 05:01.40 | brlcad | now if you made the 2D data more than our default distance tolerance, I'd entirely expect it to work |
| 05:02.07 | Briggs | what do you mean? |
| 05:02.19 | brlcad | I mean, extruded to 3D |
| 05:02.24 | Briggs | ahhh yeah |
| 05:02.44 | Briggs | might be a quick hack/workaround while I evaluate other packages/libs that specialize in this sort of thing. |
| 05:03.19 | brlcad | if it didn't work, I'd consider that a bug -- would be an interesting way to build up test cases too. hmm. |
| 05:03.46 | Briggs | well this would definitely be considered 'abuse' I think |
| 05:03.49 | brlcad | let me know if you try it, sounds pretty cool |
| 05:04.00 | Briggs | since this would be landlines that are comprised of like 30 thousand points each |
| 05:04.52 | Briggs | but also advantage is *if* it does work I can just modify the NMG structures to support custom data + interpolation |
| 05:05.07 | Briggs | which I will need to tage these entities with all kinds of extra info I want to preserve. |
| 05:05.20 | brlcad | performance won't really matter much with the number of points -- it'll matter with the number of booleans and the NxM comparisons it has to make |
| 05:05.36 | Briggs | realllly..... |
| 05:05.38 | Briggs | hrmmm |
| 05:06.38 | brlcad | I mean in general, there are some bad cases .. just depends what you're doing and the order of ops |
| 05:06.53 | Briggs | right now I'm only concerned with simple unions. |
| 05:07.04 | Briggs | 'simple' is bad word to use... |
| 05:07.53 | brlcad | still, there's several ways you can do simple unions -- consider unioning 100 objects together |
| 05:08.20 | Briggs | right |
| 05:08.22 | Briggs | wont be that many. |
| 05:08.26 | brlcad | you can union B into A, then C into A+B, then D into A+B+C, then E into A+B+C+D .. and so on, or |
| 05:08.55 | brlcad | you could union A+B and C+D and E+F, then union A+B with C+D and E+F with ... etc |
| 05:09.15 | Briggs | right |
| 05:09.54 | brlcad | with our current implementation, the latter is something like O(n^2) performance where the first one is something like O(n^3) performance .. i.e. first is much much worse |
| 05:10.42 | brlcad | mm, latter is probably more like O(n*log(n)) instead of O(n^2) |
| 05:13.46 | starseeker | mutters under his breath about the rockbox video player, or ffmpeg, or both... |
| 05:23.57 | Ralith | rockbox is great for audio |
| 05:24.03 | Ralith | never used it on a video-capable device, though. |
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| 10:38.18 | d-lo | Morning all |
| 11:01.57 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad the best overlay calculations used in GIS use O(nlogn) agorithms |
| 11:02.39 | hippieindamakin8 | which ofcourse rely on the line sweep algos |
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| 14:09.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34066 10/rt^3/trunk/ (11 files in 2 dirs): accurate exceptions for the Objects |
| 14:41.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34067 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/brlcad/Database.h src/coreInterface/Database.cpp): Delete() to remove an object from the database |
| 15:11.22 | brlcad | starseeker: hm, no schema |
| 15:12.06 | brlcad | let me see if I can revive the site somewhere |
| 15:14.40 | starseeker | yeah, I can't connect to the materials database in mysql from the command line, at least not with whatever my default username setup in mysql is |
| 15:14.58 | starseeker | common.inc seems to have some comments |
| 15:24.35 | brlcad | starseeker: site revived at http://mater.brlcad.org/ |
| 15:24.45 | brlcad | have to look through the sources to get user/pass |
| 15:25.23 | brlcad | that's the credentials you'd have to use regardless to get at the db |
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| 17:28.18 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34069 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/BRL-CAD_db_format.xml: Add on-disk format table to BRL-CAD db v5 spec. |
| 18:04.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34070 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/BRL-CAD_db_format.xml: Add H/A/Bflags table to BRL-CAD db v5 spec. |
| 18:07.10 | brlcad | starseeker: cool, so you're just working your way through the doc? |
| 18:07.28 | brlcad | would have taken a second to dig up the most up-to-date version of it had I known that ;) |
| 18:07.30 | starseeker | brlcad: Yeah, I figure it's the best way to familiarize myself with the db format |
| 18:07.35 | starseeker | oh :-) |
| 18:07.40 | starseeker | that'd be nice |
| 18:07.45 | starseeker | drool... |
| 18:07.57 | brlcad | it's close enough, that's why that one's up there |
| 18:08.35 | brlcad | just a couple days or work missing, nothing that can't be fixed up in another pass cleanup |
| 18:08.41 | brlcad | when you're done, I can go through it again |
| 18:08.50 | starseeker | cool |
| 18:08.58 | brlcad | know a good way to tag a section in docbook? |
| 18:09.15 | starseeker | um - you can give it an id for xinclude |
| 18:09.18 | brlcad | (with something other than sect) |
| 18:09.35 | brlcad | I'm thinking like say I wanted to mark up that document with extra information |
| 18:09.39 | brlcad | so there's the spec as it is now |
| 18:10.00 | starseeker | oh, and then comments or some such? |
| 18:10.07 | brlcad | then some means to denote all deprecated features when it's rendered |
| 18:10.15 | brlcad | and yet another to denote features to be changed |
| 18:10.22 | brlcad | and yet another to denote features to be removed/added, etc |
| 18:10.27 | starseeker | pulls up his docbook tag list... |
| 18:10.55 | brlcad | So like it will add things like a few paragraphs throughout, a few extra lines/columns to tables, etc |
| 18:11.26 | brlcad | i suspect it's too much for docbook to easily handle without messy markup |
| 18:11.35 | starseeker | yeah, I'm afraid so |
| 18:12.01 | starseeker | you can make custom tags and the corresponding xsl, but then of course it's not structly docbook |
| 18:13.24 | starseeker | this might have some hints: http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/DocBook/spec-0.4/template/ |
| 18:15.17 | d-lo | Heya ``Erik , how ya feelin? |
| 18:15.30 | ``Erik | a bit better, still coughing an awful lot |
| 18:15.41 | ``Erik | but my sinuses are starting to clear up |
| 18:15.48 | ``Erik | I'll be in tomorrie |
| 18:16.03 | d-lo | The weather change is whoopin my ass too :/ |
| 18:19.44 | starseeker | brlcad: I've not included some of the intro stuff (goals, features for possible inclusion, etc.) yet since it seems to kind of distract from the main point - I figured it might make more sense as a "suggested features" Appendix or some such. |
| 18:20.12 | starseeker | easy enough to toss back in if it really needs to be where it is now |
| 18:20.53 | ``Erik | the wench back in missoura had it when I went, but she thought it was allergies, *shrug* so I got to fly back with clogged sinuses, runny nose, etc... not fun |
| 18:39.27 | brlcad | starseeker: there is also a discussion appendix already |
| 18:39.55 | brlcad | the rest is more rationale and discussions, was annotated comments in the original |
| 18:40.22 | brlcad | sort of like section footnotes |
| 18:40.59 | brlcad | probably better as footnotes to the sections they talk about than as an appendix |
| 18:54.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34071 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 18:54.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: back by popular demand, you can now run the 'inside' command on edit state |
| 18:54.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: objects again. bob restored this feature after the backwards-compatibility and |
| 18:54.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: efficiency concerns were raised by victor cericole at an arl configuration |
| 18:54.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: change meeting. the feature raises a whole category of concerns on how to best |
| 18:54.06 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: handle edit state objects with libged (and as yet unresolved). |
| 19:02.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34072 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/BRL-CAD_db_format.xml: Add Flags descriptions to spec. |
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| 19:16.47 | elite01 | this is cool |
| 19:17.05 | elite01 | thanks to people like him, i can now use tab completion on common words |
| 19:17.14 | elite01 | so i bought this new Computer *bam, tab* |
| 19:17.21 | elite01 | Computer, you're awesome |
| 19:26.15 | brlcad | heh |
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| 21:03.46 | brlcad | wb pacman87 :) |
| 21:03.53 | pacman87 | ty :D |
| 21:04.03 | brlcad | pacman87: how's the semester going? |
| 21:04.12 | pacman87 | pretty good |
| 21:04.14 | pacman87 | busy |
| 21:04.22 | brlcad | fun? |
| 21:04.32 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 21:04.43 | pacman87 | except for gov |
| 21:06.58 | brlcad | pacman87: you applying to gsoc this year? |
| 21:07.05 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 21:07.22 | brlcad | awesome |
| 21:07.27 | pacman87 | finish up revolve, and get as much of sweep done as i can |
| 21:08.18 | brlcad | that sounds fantastic :) |
| 21:08.21 | pacman87 | i might apply to bzflag too for anti-cheat mods |
| 21:08.26 | pacman87 | since i've already done some of that |
| 21:08.31 | brlcad | oof, make my life hard, eh? :) |
| 21:08.34 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 21:08.45 | brlcad | j/k, apply to whatever makes you happy -- you'll get a fair shake either way |
| 21:09.12 | brlcad | I fear bz's is going to be really tough given we're only taking 2-3 slots |
| 21:09.50 | pacman87 | what was the % change in total student slots from last year? |
| 21:10.04 | brlcad | about 1250 to 1000 |
| 21:10.27 | brlcad | maybe closer to 1200, about 20% range |
| 21:10.55 | brlcad | we're still intentionally taking much less for bz, though so we aren't burnt out and can press for a release |
| 21:11.02 | pacman87 | what about the number of sponsored projects? |
| 21:11.11 | brlcad | you mean orgs? |
| 21:11.17 | pacman87 | yeah, forgot the proper term |
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| 21:16.19 | csanyipal | howdy |
| 21:16.42 | pacman87 | hi csanyipal |
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| 21:51.34 | brlcad | orgs went from 130 to 175 then down to 150 |
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| 22:46.00 | starseeker | pacman87: go for sweep! go for sweep! ;-) |
| 22:48.16 | brlcad | sweep the leg? |
| 23:29.24 | pacman87 | starseeker: ;) |
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| 02:53.36 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 03:34.16 | pacman87 | howdy, yukonbob |
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| 03:55.18 | starseeker | is surprised by how much info the gsoc mentor form requires |
| 03:58.26 | yukonbob | hey pacman87 |
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| 04:33.44 | starseeker | ah, there's pixie's rib parser: http://pixie.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pixie/trunk/src/rndr/rndr.cpp?revision=1193&view=markup |
| 04:37.51 | brlcad | notes that task is listed: http://brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html |
| 04:39.05 | brlcad | another integration idea was to test out pixie itself as a "shader" or as an rt lighting model |
| 04:41.55 | pacman87 | brlcad: is the "cylindrical wedge" on that list (under primitives) just a cylinder with base/top at an arbitrary angle? |
| 04:43.57 | brlcad | pacman87: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CylindricalWedge.html |
| 04:44.15 | brlcad | pretty simple primitive |
| 04:44.32 | pacman87 | looks like it |
| 04:45.25 | brlcad | basically a tgc/rcc but sliced through the side and one base at an arbitrary orientation |
| 04:47.35 | brlcad | input params are somewhat different |
| 04:47.55 | pacman87 | yeah, that's what i was thinking about |
| 04:48.12 | pacman87 | same thing with the hyp |
| 04:48.27 | pacman87 | a few different ways to specify dimensions |
| 04:48.41 | brlcad | not sure if it could be easily generalized to a generalized conical wedge instead of right circular |
| 04:49.26 | pacman87 | radius, height vector, and two normal vectors for the surfaces? |
| 04:50.38 | brlcad | cylindrical wedge starts getting down into the weeds of being an interesting starter primitive for someone to learn with |
| 04:51.07 | brlcad | somewhat limited uses though |
| 04:51.23 | pacman87 | yeah, but it being on the TODO list struck me as a "why hasn't it happened yet?" |
| 04:52.32 | brlcad | nah, I'm thinking actually something like tgc where top ij vectors are maybe 2:1 and bottom vectors are 1:2 (looks sorta twisted), then slice through side and base |
| 04:52.58 | brlcad | that's the ideas page, not quite the same as the TODO file |
| 04:53.17 | brlcad | though both contain items that are just "would be nice to have" regardless of priority |
| 04:53.25 | pacman87 | it'd be nice if each primitive had all of its dimensions editable, and the user selects which set are driving, and leaving the rest driven |
| 04:54.25 | brlcad | not necessarily things that we are actively pursuing |
| 04:54.25 | pacman87 | ah, i should read the url and/or the page title |
| 04:54.27 | brlcad | heh, or the big paragraph at the beginning ;) |
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| 04:55.02 | yukonbob | that cylindrical wedge is perdy |
| 04:55.03 | pacman87 | one of my big questions with the sweep is how to manage the 'orientation along the path' |
| 05:04.48 | brlcad | you could limit the orientation to make it piecewise -- make the sweep only have a starting orientation/azimuth and an ending azimuth |
| 05:05.03 | brlcad | then linearly interpolate |
| 05:05.48 | brlcad | or would take the spline input curve and allow the specification of N orientations along that path ranged from 0.0 to 1.0 distance along the sweep curve (and then linearly interpolate) |
| 05:10.45 | brlcad | autocad allows the sketch to be perpendicular or at an angle, along a spline path, with twisting angles (azimuths), and scaling factors |
| 05:11.08 | brlcad | twists and scales are both linearly interp'd, though twists can be more than 360 |
| 05:11.44 | brlcad | http://www.dailyautocad.com/autocad/3d-modeling-8-using-sweep-command/ |
| 05:12.11 | pacman87 | most of my experience is from solidworks |
| 05:13.45 | brlcad | similar flexibility |
| 05:13.49 | brlcad | http://www.solidsmack.com/how-the-heck-is-this-made-creating-solidworks-spirals-sweeps-and-helixes/2008-10-01/ |
| 05:16.17 | brlcad | not sure how they did the hourglass other than by tying multiples together or if solidworks has keypoints |
| 05:18.43 | brlcad | aha, guide curves |
| 05:18.48 | brlcad | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OUCd8Fp0cE |
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| 08:41.01 | madant_ | to anybody interested :) theoretical foundations of geometric constraint solving.. the references are the good part ;) http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/electrobook/theory.html |
| 08:49.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Homovulgaris 07http://brlcad.org * r1291 10/wiki/Libpc: Basic Structure |
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| 12:36.00 | mafm | brlcad: any candidate for the GUI framework? |
| 12:37.02 | d-lo | Why are *YOU* so interested, eh? =D |
| 12:37.16 | mafm | because I might have to do some mentoring |
| 12:37.56 | mafm | or hide behind the armchair in the case that s/he embarrases me with his/her skills :) |
| 12:43.03 | mafm | d-lo: are you going to be a mentor this year? does it depend on the projects elected, I guess |
| 12:43.27 | d-lo | mafm: could be one! |
| 12:47.26 | mafm | d-lo: I don't if I should say congrats, or I feel for you :) |
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| 14:06.13 | ``Erik_ | "csg ray trace optimisations" sounds insanely vague O.o |
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| 14:53.23 | starseeker | sees the article on the Texas school board and winces |
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| 16:11.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34074 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/brlcad/Object.h src/coreInterface/Object.cpp): the return value of Copy() is always ignored |
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| 17:25.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Adminssmith 07http://brlcad.org * r1293 10/wiki/Main_Page: |
| 17:46.39 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm, the db5.h header has a DB5_MINORTYPE_BRLCAD_COMBINATION entry, but the spec lists combinations as a non-geometry type |
| 18:06.39 | d-lo | www.nbos.com |
| 18:17.31 | ``Erik | nifty, I'm back online |
| 18:17.36 | ``Erik | yay, comcast! |
| 18:17.45 | d-lo | They finally fix your connection? |
| 18:17.50 | ``Erik | no |
| 18:17.53 | ``Erik | yay, they suck. :D |
| 18:22.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Adminssmith]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
| 18:22.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1294 10/wiki/Main_Page: Undo revision 1293 by [[Special:Contributions/Adminssmith|Adminssmith]] ([[User talk:Adminssmith|Talk]]) |
| 18:23.23 | ``Erik | huh, nutty, one of their distributors is in bellevue, wa |
| 18:23.36 | ``Erik | drove there to buy cd's and blue hair dye back in the day |
| 18:26.34 | d-lo | blue? heh. heheh.. ....ROFL |
| 18:26.51 | ``Erik | O.o what? :D |
| 18:27.01 | ``Erik | it was the mid 90's in the seattle area |
| 18:27.06 | ``Erik | I was COOL, yo! (or somethin') |
| 18:27.38 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, mid 90s and Seattle woah wat a place to be :) |
| 18:28.17 | hippieindamakin8 | but i would prefer going back to the times of woodstock and me a hippie ;) |
| 18:28.29 | hippieindamakin8 | 68 i meant |
| 18:34.23 | starseeker | mutter mutter... grip and joint have geometry minor types too, despite having minor types in major type 1 |
| 18:36.09 | starseeker | not clean |
| 18:43.50 | starseeker | wishes these geometry minor types could have been assigned in an order based on mathematical grouping... oh, well |
| 18:46.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34076 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/BRL-CAD_db_format.xml: Add in content up to geometry minor types table. |
| 18:55.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34077 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/BRL-CAD_db_format.xml: Add geometry attributes minor type section. |
| 18:55.36 | starseeker | whoops, that was a major type session |
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| 21:51.02 | starseeker | <snort> I like the part were it says "detailed specifications of each of these are necessary..." |
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| 22:12.28 | csanyipal | howdy! |
| 22:13.47 | csanyipal | I want just to say that that I wrote down a small addon to http://brlcad.org/wiki/Animation. |
| 22:14.16 | csanyipal | One can use Mencoder to create an animation from png files. |
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| 22:53.23 | Ralith | wonders if there are any version control systems that don't suffer horrible lag when dealing with codebases this large |
| 22:55.21 | Ralith | huh, this is weird |
| 22:55.45 | Ralith | 'svn diff' is showing lots of changes that I didn't make; it's like instead of applying some revisions it just skipped them and assumed I'd deleted them. |
| 22:56.43 | Ralith | is tempted to revert his changes, but that'd mean starting over from scratch. |
| 22:56.50 | Ralith | that's what I get for going idle for a long period, I guess |
| 23:07.45 | Ralith | looks like something to do with lineendings. |
| 23:09.03 | Ralith | someone wiped out all the ^Ms and for some reason svn thinks I put them back? |
| 23:17.15 | Ralith | begins making extensive use of revert --recursive |
| 23:20.32 | Ralith | looks like it's mostly in .dsp files. |
| 23:21.39 | Ralith | okay, that halved the diff size. |
| 23:23.56 | Ralith | .dsp files are huge. |
| 23:26.27 | Ralith | hey, I wonder how hard it would be to write a tool to evaluate a single line of cpp syntax in context. |
| 23:27.39 | ``Erik | "cpp syntax in context"? |
| 23:27.39 | Ralith | okay, I'm back down to my actual changes! yay! :D |
| 23:28.08 | Ralith | ``Erik: as in, considering other cpp expressions in the file, such as includes and defines, as would be necessary for useful behavior in most cases. |
| 23:28.21 | Ralith | basically, run cpp on the file and extract the corresponding line. |
| 23:28.47 | Ralith | does cpp offer any way to determine the corresponding line, or would that have to be hacked on? |
| 23:28.52 | ``Erik | ah, I usually just do gcc -E | less and search for something close |
| 23:29.03 | Ralith | yeah, but wouldn't it be awesome to have it bound in emacs? |
| 23:29.30 | Ralith | perhaps a minibuffer message showing the expansion, and a keybind to perform the replacement. |
| 23:30.12 | ``Erik | I'm sure a little elithp could handle that fairly easily, provided you can pull the actual command to compile the object |
| 23:30.54 | Ralith | wouldn't it just be a matter of running cpp on it? |
| 23:31.04 | Ralith | still not sure how to extract the relevant line(s) though. |
| 23:31.16 | ``Erik | post-cpp code has #1234 springled through it to help the compiler get line numbers correct, be a matter of finding the greatest line indicator before your line of interest, then counting (mebbe doing 5 or so lines to help with context) |
| 23:31.29 | Ralith | oo |
| 23:31.31 | Ralith | that's helpful |
| 23:31.44 | ``Erik | gcc -E myprog.c > myprog.cpp ; grep '^#[0-9]' myprog.cpp |
| 23:31.57 | Ralith | is gcc -E perferable to cpp? |
| 23:31.58 | ``Erik | (or .e if you don't want to confuse the more retarded c++ developers) |
| 23:32.07 | Ralith | lol |
| 23:32.09 | ``Erik | um, they should execute the same code |
| 23:32.17 | Ralith | hm, I suppose one problem would be getting the include paths right |
| 23:32.33 | ``Erik | yup, thus my comment about getting the actual command to compile the object :) |
| 23:32.38 | Ralith | ahh, that's what you meant. |
| 23:32.41 | ``Erik | then you could s/-c -o blah.o/-E/ |
| 23:32.47 | Ralith | yeah. |
| 23:32.58 | Ralith | perhaps have it parse Makefiles? |
| 23:33.03 | Ralith | that's getting kind of specialized though |
| 23:33.39 | Ralith | ...weird, I appear to have finished these changes. |
| 23:33.56 | ``Erik | iirc, emacs has the ability to execute make with some combination of 18 keys held down simultaniously |
| 23:34.24 | ``Erik | finding how it does that, and changing it to do "rm thisfile.o && make thisfile.o" to crib it |
| 23:34.31 | Ralith | only three, actually. I used to know it, but I've been using enough arcane toolchains lately that I've just been running a terminal instance in the same desktop and switching to that. |
| 23:34.43 | ``Erik | or, if you use bsd make instead of gnu make, make -V might be able to do it |
| 23:34.55 | Ralith | well, that's unportable |
| 23:35.10 | ``Erik | yeah, but expecting to use gcc is unportable, as well |
| 23:35.46 | ``Erik | would imagine a couple big honkin' (cond) statements |
| 23:35.48 | Ralith | point. |
| 23:35.56 | Ralith | yeah that's just inelegant |
| 23:36.11 | Ralith | at least assuming gcc works across probably 95% of installations |
| 23:36.31 | Ralith | certainly in our case. |
| 23:36.35 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 23:36.45 | ``Erik | 'cept we test compile on like 5 different compilers, dude |
| 23:36.53 | Ralith | but what do we all *use*? |
| 23:36.58 | ``Erik | mipspro, sunw, ... |
| 23:37.04 | ``Erik | a couple msvc's |
| 23:37.28 | ``Erik | mebbe we should use tendra :D |
| 23:37.32 | Ralith | besides, we'd have to assume makefiles to get anywhere |
| 23:37.47 | Ralith | and that's probably less common than gcc in the world at large |
| 23:37.54 | Ralith | well, who knows |
| 23:38.06 | ``Erik | aaanyways, it's all shades of grey, where to draw the line is an engineering decision :) |
| 23:38.10 | Ralith | ultimately I think gcc's a reasonable assumption for the purposes of a convenience tools. |
| 23:38.13 | Ralith | tool* |
| 23:38.21 | ``Erik | primarily developes on FBSD, which has been itching to dump gcc for quite a while |
| 23:38.33 | ``Erik | some argued tendra, now there's another one that's getting attention |
| 23:38.34 | Ralith | pcc does look shiny., |
| 23:38.41 | bjorkintosh | in favor of what? |
| 23:38.44 | Ralith | see above |
| 23:38.49 | ``Erik | izzit pcc? |
| 23:38.52 | Ralith | pretty sure. |
| 23:39.03 | Ralith | that's the one that, iirc, OpenBSD has been giving lots of attention to |
| 23:39.09 | ``Erik | sounds about right *shrug* I d'no, I got tired of all the bikeshedding around that topic |
| 23:39.17 | Ralith | and OpenBSD seems to have a habit of starting trends. |
| 23:39.33 | Ralith | pcc is interesting to me because last I heard of it it was much faster than gcc. |
| 23:39.52 | Ralith | not that that's *too* valuable in the long run, but handy in a dev environment, and on source-based systems. |
| 23:40.05 | ``Erik | fast compiling, or faster generated code? |
| 23:40.08 | Ralith | the former |
| 23:40.22 | Ralith | I'd be surprised if they could match gcc's slew of optimization options. |
| 23:41.04 | ``Erik | the bsd's feed off of eachother a lot, they're all radically different than eachother (far more different than linux distros), but have a lot of community overlap and listen to eachother well, it's neat |
| 23:41.22 | ``Erik | uhm, until recently, gcc was pretty shitty at optimizing, even microsoft was wiping the floor with gcc3 |
| 23:41.22 | Ralith | yeah, BSD's awesome. |
| 23:41.29 | Ralith | right, until recently. |
| 23:41.33 | Ralith | not so anymore. |
| 23:41.36 | Ralith | (or so I hear.) |
| 23:41.42 | ``Erik | the new, uh, TSA code in 4 made gcc40 far slower, but it sped up a lot pretty fast |
| 23:42.01 | Ralith | I have to confess I've installed linux on my desktop, though |
| 23:42.13 | ``Erik | used to have linux machines, now only has them at work :) |
| 23:42.13 | Ralith | sometimes you just gotta run some flash :P |
| 23:42.22 | ``Erik | <-- pets his hackintops |
| 23:42.43 | Ralith | and I've also been toying with graphics stuff lately, and nvidia hasn't released a Cg compiler for FreeBSD yet. |
| 23:43.16 | Ralith | I really wish the hardware industry was more open. |
| 23:43.17 | ``Erik | the first thing I did when I bought my old g3 ibook was watch strongbad email. all of it. :D |
| 23:44.02 | ``Erik | nvidia drags its feet a LOT with the fbsd stuff, I had to email them to get a release to allow a 3 year old card to work :( |
| 23:44.20 | Ralith | I'm just thankful they support it at all. |
| 23:44.37 | ``Erik | that was a fight and a half heh |
| 23:44.47 | Ralith | well, less thankful, more amazed. |
| 23:44.56 | ``Erik | they didn't move until people were reverse engineering their hardware out in public |
| 23:45.09 | Ralith | it's even somewhat more stable than the nvidia/X I have set up on this linux box |
| 23:45.21 | ``Erik | I imagine it was just to throw a carrot to prevent their "vital secrets" from being figured out by angsty fbsd fools |
| 23:45.22 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:45.25 | Ralith | though that may be more due to FreeBSD than nvidia. |
| 23:45.29 | Ralith | lol |
| 23:45.33 | Ralith | that reminds me |
| 23:45.38 | Ralith | how's ATI doing with that whole releasing the docs thing? |
| 23:45.40 | ``Erik | quickest way to make a fbsd unstable - nvidia driver. :D |
| 23:45.45 | ``Erik | <-- hasn't been following |
| 23:46.28 | Ralith | 'kay |
| 23:46.35 | Ralith | cuz that was really exciting when I first heard about it |
| 23:46.41 | Ralith | but didn't really seem to go anywhere. |
| 23:49.30 | ``Erik | "marylin manson???" "yeah, it's all his or her fault! I'm going to give him or her a piece of my mind or penis" hah |
| 23:51.41 | Ralith | ``Erik: on a more topical subject: I'm a bit unsure what proper procedure is for me with respect to committing code (in this case, a removal of the redundant vecmath.h from lgt). I've got write access, or did last I checked, but I'm uncertain if I should be requesting review (after testing to the best of my ability, of course) before checking changes in. |
| 23:53.23 | Ralith | (said removal is nontrivial as it required swapping out macros with different syntax, and I know of no clear way to verify that it all still works the same once compiled) |
| 23:55.12 | ``Erik | the benchmark suite? :) |
| 23:55.20 | Ralith | covers lgt? |
| 23:55.28 | ``Erik | commits can always be undone, but if you want review, you can always post the patch somewhere |
| 23:55.34 | ``Erik | oh, lgt, um |
| 23:55.37 | ``Erik | d'no |
| 23:56.04 | Ralith | yeah, I'm just wondering if I should make a point of requesting review. |
| 23:57.26 | ``Erik | depends on how confident you are :) it'll get reviewed either way |
| 23:58.13 | ``Erik | the commit bit is the "we trust you enough to do what's right, or suffer the horrible reprecussions" |
| 23:58.28 | Ralith | kk, thanks for clearing that up |
| 23:58.42 | ``Erik | w00t, clear as mud! :D |
| 00:00.28 | Ralith | mud can be an improvement. |
| 00:06.20 | ``Erik | "AIG stands for arrogance, incompetence and greed" nice |
| 00:08.53 | Ralith | xkcd made a good point recently |
| 00:09.09 | Ralith | $200 or so million is not a very big fraction of the bailout. |
| 00:10.43 | Ralith | I'm more concerned by how we seem to be giving bailout money to companies which don't operate in the US at all. |
| 00:10.56 | Ralith | but then when I think about that much longer |
| 00:11.25 | Ralith | I realize I don't have a fraction of the experience necessary to dictate what is and is not reasonable |
| 00:11.29 | Ralith | so I go back to programming instead. |
| 00:14.27 | ``Erik | they don't seem to have the experience necessary to dictate what is and is not reasonable, either :) |
| 00:14.30 | louipc | what are the repercussions? :O |
| 00:15.06 | Ralith | ``Erik: this is true; that does not make me any more well-equipped to form a useful opinion. |
| 00:15.16 | Ralith | other than "whoever put those guys in charge should be shot" |
| 00:15.16 | ``Erik | depends on how you break it, louie... could be "this doens't seem right, fix it" for a minor goof to the "tire iron" treatment for damage to the repo history |
| 00:15.51 | Ralith | didn't know you could do that, bar a serious svn bug |
| 00:16.25 | ``Erik | I know you could with cvs, fairly easily if you mucked with the wrong commands |
| 00:16.37 | ``Erik | like deleting revisions that aren't HEAD |
| 00:17.02 | ``Erik | cvs admin -o <-- thermonuclear cleaning tool, don't do it unless you REALLY know what you're doing :) |
| 00:17.04 | Ralith | well, you *shouldn't* be able to. |
| 00:18.27 | louipc | hmm! |
| 00:18.32 | Ralith | not unless the repository's stored locally anyway |
| 00:19.43 | ``Erik | admin's a remote command, from back in the days when real programmers didn't make mistakes O:-) |
| 00:20.13 | louipc | you can't trust open source contributors to be real programmers hehe |
| 00:26.39 | Ralith | sad but true. |
| 00:41.29 | Ralith | ``Erik: know of a generic max/min macro pair (e.g. #define MAX(x,y) ((x)>(y)?(x):(y))) defined anywhere? If not, is that a reasonable addition to vmath.h? |
| 00:49.40 | ``Erik | uhm, a lot of os's provide them in basic headers |
| 00:50.26 | Ralith | really? |
| 00:51.40 | ``Erik | /usr/include/sys/param.h on fbsd and osX |
| 00:52.53 | ``Erik | and our common.h has FMAX |
| 00:53.04 | Ralith | ahh. |
| 00:53.06 | Ralith | perfect. |
| 00:54.51 | Ralith | if I drop an FABS in there, I think it'd complete the coverage of what's missing from vmath.h that was in vecmath.h. |
| 00:54.57 | Ralith | does so. |
| 00:55.09 | ``Erik | but fabs() is part of the iso standard |
| 00:56.04 | Ralith | yeah, but fabs() isn't really appropriate when you're dealing with e.g. a long int |
| 00:56.04 | ``Erik | then abs() is right? :) |
| 00:56.13 | Ralith | ...I can't believe I didn't notice that. |
| 00:56.26 | ``Erik | notes that fmin and fmax seem to be iso now |
| 00:56.28 | Ralith | smacks self. |
| 00:56.38 | ``Erik | ooh, me too, me too! |
| 00:56.40 | Ralith | yeah, but there does not appear to be a corresponding min and max |
| 00:56.41 | ``Erik | smacks ralith |
| 00:56.41 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:56.43 | Ralith | D: |
| 00:56.54 | Ralith | so in that case the common.h defines will get to come out and play. |
| 00:57.10 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 00:58.10 | ``Erik | my manpages attribute abs/fabs to c99, wonder if they were everywhere but not standardized before that :/ |
| 01:06.08 | Ralith | hm. |
| 01:06.22 | Ralith | what's the correct abs function to use for a fastf_t? |
| 01:06.44 | Ralith | I think I'll just use a (:?) expr there. |
| 01:06.58 | Ralith | 'cuz it could theoretically be anything, right? |
| 01:12.40 | Ralith | okay, seems to build. |
| 01:13.11 | Ralith | lets the rest of BRL-CAD do so. |
| 01:17.57 | ``Erik | 'cept it's always double |
| 01:19.17 | Ralith | well, if that was the point of it, we'd just be using double. |
| 01:20.02 | Ralith | this makes it much easier to change things for new hardware or special requirements |
| 01:20.14 | Ralith | e.g. the GMP type that was discussed a little while ago |
| 01:20.29 | Ralith | or on some theoretical platform where single precision float is much faster |
| 01:20.42 | Ralith | and so on. |
| 01:22.27 | Ralith | is it safe to run 'make install' parallel to 'make benchmark'? |
| 01:32.12 | ``Erik | might skew things by introducing page misses and cache line misses |
| 01:32.36 | ``Erik | and possibly 'biglock' events or cli/sti swaps |
| 01:34.34 | Ralith | well, moot now anyway. |
| 01:38.53 | Ralith | is it just me or is BRL-CAD faster to build these days? |
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| 04:23.21 | deeeffache | does BRL CAD get a lot of commercial/business use? |
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| 05:39.10 | Ralith | stretches |
| 05:39.17 | Ralith | good to have this done: |
| 05:39.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34079 10/brlcad/trunk/src/lgt/ (14 files): Removed the largely redundant vecmath.h from lgt, replacing uses with vmath macros. |
| 05:40.20 | Ralith | deeeffache: the documentation says as much, though I don't recall ever seeing explanations of by who, exactly. |
| 05:40.52 | Ralith | deeeffache: it's certainly production-quality; bar friendly GUI, I'd even go so far as to say the quality is above most commercial software. |
| 05:53.20 | deeeffache | I agree on the quality, I just always hear of autocad or pro/e or solidworks |
| 05:59.59 | Ralith | sure, and you always hear of windows too. |
| 06:00.46 | Ralith | not to be a linux fanboy or anything, but it's an apt metaphor. |
| 06:12.37 | deeeffache | Ill rephrase, i always see those under the required skill section on job postings |
| 06:12.58 | Ralith | ah. |
| 06:13.11 | Ralith | Well, not much we can do about that beyond further improve BRL-CAD. |
| 06:13.39 | Ralith | We've got some pretty cool features in the pipeline. |
| 06:15.37 | deeeffache | Yeah, ive been reading the project ideas, id love to see the material properties and physics integration |
| 06:16.55 | Ralith | that's the least of it; the code's undergoing a refactor to allow full editing capabilities as a library, and there's work to support version control and remote collaboration too, iirc. |
| 06:37.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34080 10/brlcad/trunk/src/burst/ (Makefile.am grid.c paint.c plot.c prnt.c vecmath.h): Removed another redundant vecmath.h from burst, replacing uses with vmath.h macros. |
| 06:40.12 | Ralith | that one was much easier. |
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| 18:19.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34085 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/archer: Make the initial window size a little smaller. Eventually, the window size and location will be saved and used at startup. |
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| 19:33.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34087 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (Archer.tcl ArcherCore.tcl): Modified the buildComboBox method to use ttk::combobox. |
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| 20:16.49 | brlcad | mafm_: heh |
| 20:19.55 | kanzure | madant: Hey. Dawn, right? |
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| 20:20.06 | kanzure | madant: I just came across this: http://code.google.com/p/descomp/ |
| 20:20.07 | kanzure | that's you, right? |
| 20:20.25 | kanzure | Do you have any of the Stiny papers on parametric shape grammars? |
| 20:20.53 | brlcad | Ralith: various editors and stream tools will automatically strip out the carriage returnss, the windows files in svn certainly haven't changed line ending anytime soon |
| 20:21.10 | brlcad | Ralith: oh yeah, and nice refactoring! |
| 20:28.06 | brlcad | svn intentionally left out that horrible feature of cvs admin, no way to nuke revisions other than dumping the backend repository and filtering out revision(s) (via svndumpfilter) |
| 20:29.29 | brlcad | abs/fabs/min/max are all portability problematic prior to c99 |
| 20:30.46 | brlcad | deeeffache: what would constitute a lot? |
| 20:32.11 | brlcad | ah, see you all already hashed that out as well. :) |
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| 20:51.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34090 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob changed archer/bwish to no longer use BLT. annotate the change to our external dependencies. |
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| 21:02.27 | BenReilly | Hello everyone. I'm looking at applying to GSoC, and to begin, I'd like to know what sort of software development experience BRL-CAD would be looking for in their candidates. |
| 21:02.56 | brlcad | howdy BenReilly |
| 21:03.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34091 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: reduced archer's initial and maximum window size from 2048x1600 to 1400x1100 (with max at 1600x1200) |
| 21:03.50 | brlcad | BenReilly: experience isn't nearly as much of an issue (depending on the project) as is the ability to learn quickly and take initiative |
| 21:04.11 | ``Erik | enough to be successful at your project, but not so much that it doesn't provide a fun challenge? :D |
| 21:04.28 | brlcad | ell said |
| 21:04.36 | brlcad | 'well said' even |
| 21:06.28 | BenReilly | Right, of course. As well, though I don't mean to pile too many questions on you, how much C/C++ experience are you looking for. For instance, some ideas require a "familiarity" with the language, and I would like to know how extensive my familiarity should be. I ask because I have not worked a lot with C or C++, but I have a strong knowledge of Java and general programming language syntax and such. |
| 21:07.02 | pacman87 | BenReilly: it depends on the project |
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| 21:08.13 | pacman87 | the hardest part of my project last year was working through all the math |
| 21:08.15 | ``Erik | I'd imagine one of the biggest hurdles for java->c/c++ is grasping pointers. if you're comfortable with those, the rest is just minor syntax |
| 21:08.55 | ``Erik | of course, we have chunks that are java and tcl/tk, as well *shrug* |
| 21:08.56 | BenReilly | ``Erik: That's what I've heard. |
| 21:10.19 | ``Erik | tell ya what, figure out what you'd like to do, then we can talk about what level of ability might be needed for that? |
| 21:11.12 | ``Erik | (unless brlcad has a better idea) |
| 21:11.35 | BenReilly | Sounds good. Well, one that caught my eye was the "New Geometry Converter" |
| 21:11.39 | BenReilly | Would you like a link? |
| 21:11.50 | ``Erik | which format? |
| 21:12.52 | BenReilly | In terms of converting? Let's go with POV-Ray. |
| 21:13.47 | ``Erik | ooh, that'll be a tough one, but it shouldn't require a lot of C knowledge. it'd be quite a bit of effort mapping and translating the different primitive sets and re-creating the procedural stuff in POV, though |
| 21:14.48 | ``Erik | started one a while back hoping to hack it out in a day or two for performance comparisons, decided it was not a 1-2 day hack :D |
| 21:16.38 | BenReilly | Ah, I see. So then, what sort of steps would be involved in that kind of project? |
| 21:17.18 | BenReilly | Is it simply (though perhaps not truly "simply") converting a brl-cad file to and from a .pov file? |
| 21:17.44 | ``Erik | ayup |
| 21:18.06 | ``Erik | g-pov -o mything.pov mything.g all.g |
| 21:18.14 | ``Erik | pov-g mything.pov mything.g |
| 21:18.17 | brlcad | bbiab |
| 21:18.18 | BenReilly | Well then, I suppose that I should become familiar with the brl-cad files then, eh? |
| 21:18.25 | brlcad | always a good thing ;) |
| 21:18.29 | ``Erik | make those g-pov/pov-g things and it's a full converter |
| 21:18.47 | BenReilly | Gotcha |
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| 21:20.16 | ``Erik | the tricky part is we have primitives they don't, they have primitives we don't, and some of the primitives shared are subtly different. Additionally, pov allows things like logical constructs and loops (turing complete, yo!) where BRL-CAD is static geometry |
| 21:21.11 | BenReilly | brb |
| 21:21.57 | ``Erik | (E.G. pov can do "for(i=0;i<100;i++) rotate(sph, somepoint, i*2);" to generate 100 sph's rotated around a point, where in BRL-CAD, you need those 100 sph's in the .g file) |
| 21:25.36 | BenReilly | Haha, wow. Now I would imagine that in converting a .g file to .pov, it would be great to be able to take those 100 rotate() calls and drop them into a for loop, no? |
| 21:26.35 | BenReilly | Though that in itself would not be trivial for anything but a single call repeated x times. |
| 21:32.43 | BenReilly | Pardon me, I misread the last part of your example. |
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| 21:33.00 | BenReilly | In any case, I'm going to go poke around brl-cad and see what it's all about |
| 21:33.13 | BenReilly | Thanks for the info |
| 21:37.29 | BenReilly | And I'll be off. Perhaps I'll talk to you later. |
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| 21:57.29 | Ralith | brlcad: the weird thing was, my local copies had *added* ^Ms |
| 21:57.33 | Ralith | also, thanks :] |
| 21:58.19 | Ralith | needs to decide on a project to apply for |
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| 22:54.35 | jonored_ | also needs to work out a project to apply for. Unsure as to whether to apply for finishing a real run through the G-code thing. |
| 23:38.41 | deeeffache | brlcad: im not sure, I was looking to find some companies that use it as their primary CAD software and have not found any so far. |
| 00:14.59 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1905311 O.O neat |
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| 01:57.34 | ``Erik | dangit, this fortune cookie says "you are not a winner. try again." :( |
| 02:10.18 | starseeker | reflects that's almost exactly how he felt doing taxes :-/ |
| 02:22.14 | brlcad | deeeffache: the U.S. Army Research Laboratory is one of the few places that use it as their primary |
| 02:22.33 | brlcad | as it's specifically tuned to their needs (and comes from them and continues to have development funded by them, etc) |
| 02:23.28 | brlcad | which actually happens to be more of an expert-driven CAE environment, but with strong solid modeling and geometry needs too |
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| 05:34.15 | deeeffache | brlcad: thats good to hear. My initial assumption was that they open sourced it because they were moving on to something "better" |
| 07:33.21 | brlcad | deeeffache: nope, it was opened sourced after many years of effort not because it's not in use, but quite the opposite -- ARL is heavily dependent on and supportive of BRL-CAD, but has relatively limited development capacity because of other priorities (they're not in the software business after all, they do research and analysis work) |
| 07:35.56 | brlcad | going open source was (successfully) argued as a means to give back to the community (tax-payer funded) and encourage/allow open community development, to potentially see BRL-CAD development accelerate faster than ARL can directly fund (and for more varied interests) -- a win/win situation |
| 07:47.49 | Ralith | ``Erik: a fortune cookie says that? |
| 07:47.57 | Ralith | since when can you win something from fortune cookies |
| 07:49.25 | brlcad | kudos to Peter Kan for getting his app in first/early :) |
| 07:49.37 | Ralith | needs to do that. |
| 07:50.00 | brlcad | indeed |
| 07:50.38 | brlcad | keep in mind that you can get something in quickly and then continue to revise it through the sochop interface |
| 07:51.16 | Ralith | oh, really? |
| 07:51.21 | Ralith | that's handy |
| 07:51.41 | brlcad | it's after the deadline that it gets locked down |
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| 07:53.39 | brlcad | morning d_rossberg |
| 07:53.42 | Ralith | so why is the oop API project identified as high difficulty? I always thought of wrappers like that as being relatively straightforward. |
| 07:53.55 | d_rossberg | moin moin brlcad |
| 07:56.24 | brlcad | Ralith: mostly because it requires a fair bit of background knowledge that most people don't have -- knowledge of OOP design patterns, knowledge of our libraries (librt, libwdb, libged, libbn, libbu), (basic) familiarity with geometry engines like acis or granite, .. |
| 07:57.10 | brlcad | it's also a lot of work, a lot of places to get something very wrong or make something very poorly designed |
| 07:58.37 | Ralith | ah. |
| 07:59.58 | brlcad | you can get away with only having two of those three, heck even just OO design .. but then you'd have to be even more adept at learning a large codebase quickly (and working on an effort that is already under way too) |
| 08:00.34 | Ralith | is there documentation available for acis/granite? |
| 08:00.59 | brlcad | just what you can find by searching, they're commercial CAD engines |
| 08:01.28 | Ralith | well, that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't good docs up anywhere. |
| 08:01.29 | Ralith | checks |
| 08:01.29 | brlcad | don't really want to use them either (in case there are patent issues, for example), but should be aware of their scope and intent |
| 08:03.31 | deeeffache | What happened to the project priorities on the wiki faq? http://brlcad.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 08:05.56 | Ralith | Are the doxygen docs hosted on brlcad.org? |
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| 08:08.44 | brlcad | Ralith: mmm.. only an old copy, I believe |
| 08:09.11 | Ralith | mightn't it be a Good Thing to make them available there? |
| 08:09.13 | brlcad | http://brlcad.sourceforge.net/doxygen/index.html |
| 08:09.20 | brlcad | sure would |
| 08:09.43 | brlcad | just nobody has taken the time to do it, busy with other things |
| 08:10.27 | Ralith | ah well. I'd take care of it were it covered by svn. |
| 08:12.02 | Ralith | I don't suppose you'd know why g3d depends on the SVN version of OGRE? |
| 08:12.54 | brlcad | deeeffache: fixed |
| 08:13.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1304 10/wiki/FAQ: they're not in my dir |
| 08:13.46 | brlcad | Ralith: I believe there were build system problems that was only fixed in latest svn -- mafm can surely recall better though |
| 08:14.12 | Ralith | build system problems? O.o |
| 08:14.17 | Ralith | well, I guess I'll wait for mafm to show. |
| 08:14.29 | Ralith | and get ogre updated here while I'm at it. |
| 08:14.49 | brlcad | d_rossberg: heh, subliminal slip? .. bu_* ? :-) |
| 08:14.55 | deeeffache | blasted ~sean, thanks! |
| 08:16.24 | brlcad | Ralith: assuming they'd build clean out of the box or with a simple bootstrapping, they'd be a prime candidate to become an svn:externals |
| 08:17.13 | Ralith | brlcad: isn't it bad practice to make such assumptions of a trunk? |
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| 08:17.36 | Ralith | (assuming that mafm was aware of the bugfix branch and refrained from its use because it didn't work) |
| 08:17.37 | brlcad | never said it'd need to be trunk |
| 08:17.53 | Ralith | I'm not familiar with externals |
| 08:17.58 | Ralith | can you force certain revisions, or something? |
| 08:19.05 | brlcad | it just takes a repository path like checkout, so yeah -- regular revision syntax works just fine |
| 08:19.26 | brlcad | not that using trunk would be horrible -- they're actually a pretty stable trunk last time I was working off svn at least |
| 08:20.16 | Ralith | their page gives that impression too, but it would still result in unpredicttable behavior |
| 08:20.21 | Ralith | -t |
| 08:20.40 | Ralith | especially if some sort of breaking API change came along. |
| 08:22.13 | Ralith | well, I'll see if I can make g3d work with stable and make the whole issue moot. |
| 08:22.25 | brlcad | goes both ways, arguably easier to fix (less time-intensive) the sooner the change occurs before code is entrenched around the old code/api |
| 08:23.08 | Ralith | does make our own trunk less stable with respect to g3d, though. |
| 08:23.17 | Ralith | not that that matters too much at this stage, I suppose |
| 08:23.43 | brlcad | moot issue, though -- that wasn't/isn't a production release code yet -- it's a "get it working" project, basic fundamentals |
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| 08:24.48 | brlcad | more important at this point that it just not actually take up any time (which it didn't/doesn't), so the focus can be on the interface |
| 08:25.12 | Ralith | yeah |
| 08:35.06 | Ralith | brlcad: remind me why mafm didn't use CEGUI? |
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| 11:44.14 | starseeker | notes that as of last night, trunk passed make distcheck on gentoo |
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| 13:24.30 | madant_ | kanzure: stiny's papers are awesome albeit old, a good resource is cumincad .. the membership to acadia, caadria, ecaade etc. are pretty cheap but really worth it. I like the later approaches by Knight etc. Mathematical formalism of shape grammars is cute indeed but practical applications would be a greater awesomeness :D |
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| 13:47.01 | brlcad | heh, punctuation |
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| 13:55.38 | brlcad | howdy dreeves |
| 13:55.49 | dreeves | hey |
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| 13:58.38 | dreeves | How's the rowing brlcad? |
| 14:02.50 | brlcad | dreeves: chilly, but great |
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| 14:11.17 | kanzure | madant_: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/82dd7c56fcfaefb4? re: shape grammars. |
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| 17:20.06 | starseeker | make distcheck passes on the mac |
| 17:51.51 | brlcad | woot |
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| 18:01.24 | ``Erik | stupid comcrap |
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| 18:18.04 | brlcad | howdy beebee_ |
| 18:18.14 | beebee_ | hello |
| 18:19.43 | brlcad | wonders if there are any others interested in being a gsoc mentor, send me a note in private or public if interested |
| 18:21.41 | beebee_ | sorry, I am new to brlcad development, but i hope you find a mentor. I would love to see that some of the proposals gets implemented |
| 18:22.06 | ``Erik | I can ask indianlarry for ya, if you haven't already |
| 18:23.46 | jonored | On the other side, any suggestions for someone who wants to write up a proposal and likes math a bunch? |
| 18:26.41 | brlcad | beebee_: we have mentors, just reminding a few other devs that hang out in here that they have the opportunity :) |
| 18:26.57 | brlcad | ``Erik: I asked him, he said yes, but he still hasn't gone to sochop yet |
| 18:27.25 | brlcad | jonored: heh, you mean suggestions for a project proposal? |
| 18:28.01 | ``Erik | aight, got him on the page now |
| 18:29.01 | jonored | brlcad: ...yes? I suppose I should go read the webpage again and try to find one... |
| 18:30.40 | brlcad | jonored, the more math-intenseive suggestions are actually all annotated on the ideas page |
| 18:30.43 | brlcad | just search for math |
| 18:31.10 | ``Erik | all ur maff r belong to teh cheezburger kittehs |
| 18:31.59 | jonored | Okay. I did finally work out that curvature of an intersection of a plane and a surface thing, and kinda liked the doing. |
| 18:32.58 | brlcad | right, that was your patch last year, yes? |
| 18:33.24 | brlcad | er, not surface, but line and curve? |
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| 18:34.12 | jonored | Never passed stuff in. I was just digging through trying to be able to slice a surface with a plane and interpolate the curve with arcs. |
| 18:36.14 | jonored | And there isn't somewhere that I know it'd fit outside of the reprap-specific stuff I was doing. |
| 18:38.06 | brlcad | ah, jonored .. confused you with jdoliner :) |
| 18:38.16 | brlcad | he's the one that had the line intersection patch |
| 18:39.55 | jdoliner | hmm it just buzzed me |
| 18:40.09 | jdoliner | I guess you weren't actually looking for me though |
| 18:41.21 | jonored | Ah, okay. That would explain that. Would digging into constraints & parametrics be something viable? |
| 18:42.28 | brlcad | jdoliner: nope, just talking about you |
| 18:42.51 | jdoliner | I see, carry on then gents |
| 18:42.56 | brlcad | jonored: possibly, but you'd need to coordinate that with madant since it's a previous gsoc project already "in progress" |
| 18:43.28 | brlcad | you'd have to sort out who's working on what since he'll possibly continue working on it as well this year |
| 18:43.35 | brlcad | (and you can't collaborate on a group project) |
| 18:44.13 | brlcad | have to be separatable tasks with your own goals -- otherwise, yeah -- fantastic area to work on |
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| 18:50.46 | brlcad | ``Erik: tell larry that he has to accept the invite next |
| 18:51.22 | ``Erik | he's filling out the form right now |
| 18:52.00 | brlcad | happy happy joy joy |
| 18:52.12 | jonored | Okay. So interesting, but it'd take effort to fit it into gsoc. CSG of BREP? |
| 18:52.47 | ``Erik | he's all good now? |
| 18:53.36 | ``Erik | huh, actually, I coulda clicked in and accepted him, too |
| 18:57.02 | brlcad | yep, he's good |
| 18:57.32 | brlcad | jonored: CSG of BREP is pretty tough, but very high priority too :) |
| 18:57.49 | brlcad | very much related to what starseeker and I are presently working on |
| 19:11.50 | starseeker | hoovers up articles on intersection algorithms |
| 19:13.29 | jonored | I should probably write that up then, it sounds like fun. And start reading. Or rather, continue reading, as now I've gotten distracted. |
| 19:22.53 | brlcad | cool |
| 19:23.00 | brlcad | that should be a fun project |
| 19:23.15 | brlcad | jonored: you may also want to check out some of the more recent notes in doc/TODO.BREP |
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| 20:18.30 | starseeker | raises eyebrows - apparently MeshLab is using Eigen. Hmm |
| 20:32.25 | starseeker | make distcheck passed on 64 bit Redhat Linux |
| 20:53.44 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad |
| 20:59.34 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 21:02.15 | hippieindamakin8 | hey rt now opennurbs just supports the brep and the interconversion of the representations is wat is expected isnt it |
| 21:02.28 | hippieindamakin8 | i went through the papers of esolid and bit of boole |
| 21:04.26 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, wat do u exactly mean by BREP-on-BREP CSG evaluations ? |
| 21:06.45 | brlcad | basically, you have some spline-surface object (a NURBS object) and another spline-surface object that overlap and there's a specified boolean evaluation of subtraction, intersection, or union -- evaluate the surfaces and derive the resulting spline-surface object |
| 21:07.57 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, this includes nm objects |
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| 21:08.44 | brlcad | what are nm objects |
| 21:08.58 | hippieindamakin8 | non - manifold |
| 21:09.28 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, the project involves computationally optimised evaluations of the breps |
| 21:09.38 | hippieindamakin8 | is it ? |
| 21:12.19 | brlcad | they're not optimised |
| 21:12.23 | brlcad | they're just evaluated |
| 21:12.44 | brlcad | they from an unevaluated form to an evaluated form |
| 21:13.09 | brlcad | and no, I don't think it'd necessarily need to include non-manifold geometry but it would need to handle n-manifold geometry |
| 21:13.11 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah basically the evaluation of the booleans is wat has to be done |
| 21:14.16 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, yeah true it is very rarely that we encounter the non-manifold geometries (may be because of the degenerate cases of the boolean operations on csgs) |
| 21:15.05 | brlcad | wonders if hippieindamakin8 has something against the word "what" |
| 21:15.17 | hippieindamakin8 | :) |
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| 22:03.58 | Ralith | hey jonored! |
| 22:04.00 | Ralith | how's the slicer? |
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| 22:48.53 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 23:43.26 | bjorkintosh | jonored did not want to talk about the slicer. |
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| 00:51.40 | ``Erik | eeks, take that somewhere private, ralith O.O |
| 00:52.20 | Ralith | prude. |
| 01:09.55 | Ralith | discovers that all the pkgconfig files appear to be broken. |
| 01:09.59 | Ralith | does something about this. |
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| 01:40.48 | kanzure | Hi all. Has anyone any experience with elmerfem? |
| 02:03.47 | Ralith | dear god it's hard to get RBGui to build |
| 02:34.53 | Ralith | rewrites most of g3d's build system |
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| 03:24.30 | Ralith | brlcad: do you know if mafm's returning this year to GSoC on the GUI? |
| 03:27.50 | Ralith | also, seems to work fine(ish) on OGRE 1.6.1 |
| 03:28.06 | Ralith | the build system's largely Done Right now :] |
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| 04:27.32 | brlcad | Ralith: actually I don't know -- he's had personal matters to take care of, he may not |
| 04:27.55 | brlcad | glad to hear it worked ;) |
| 04:29.41 | Ralith | I think I'll apply for that, then |
| 04:29.50 | Ralith | seeing as I've some degree of familiarity with it |
| 04:33.48 | brlcad | feel free to mail him or the mailing list to check up with him |
| 04:34.25 | brlcad | it would be nice to see someone continue making progress |
| 04:57.55 | Ralith | yeah, I'm looking forward to having it hooked up and doing things |
| 04:58.30 | Ralith | I'll see if I can get in touch with him, and get my app started in the meantime |
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| 06:01.42 | brlcad | Ralith: if you do apply for a previous gsoc project, please try to also put forward another application for one of the other ideas as well |
| 06:01.57 | brlcad | that goes for anyone and any previous gsoc project |
| 06:03.55 | brlcad | it often happens that some of the most desirable students all put in for the same project, rejecting several desirable students that would have otherwise been selected for a different project |
| 06:04.40 | brlcad | course that's only if someone can put together two *good* applications, and the second one doesn't decrease the quality of the first one! if you just have time for one, then so be it |
| 06:05.18 | brlcad | also an even better reason to submit it earlier rather than later so we can give feedback and gauge whether there are conflicts |
| 06:06.32 | Ralith | there're multiple people going for that one? |
| 06:07.30 | Ralith | I'm certainly happy to apply to another, though; I'm quite interested in getting in on GSoC, so anything that increases my chances... |
| 06:07.48 | Ralith | not to mention this is a fun project. |
| 06:08.06 | brlcad | there usually are three or four projects that get several submissions each by the deadline |
| 06:08.45 | brlcad | last year, there were about 20 valid interesting applications, about 10 of those were very good, from there we narrowed down on 4 |
| 06:08.57 | Ralith | while you're around; do you remember if there was any reason g3d is using RBGui rather than something more active? |
| 06:09.02 | Ralith | the project's outright abandoned these days. |
| 06:09.29 | Ralith | says as much on the site, and it took me half an hour of hacking to make it and its dependent lib build, including writing a build system for it. |
| 06:09.45 | brlcad | yeah, there was a long long series of discussions about a gui framework |
| 06:10.46 | Ralith | so, preferable to adopt RBGui over switching it out? |
| 06:10.59 | brlcad | rbgui being dead was one of its downsides, but wasn't seen as a huge one iff it did everything that was needed (and it had several very interesting extension aspects) -- it was on par with two or so others iirc, and it came down to just running with any one of them |
| 06:11.12 | brlcad | no, not tied to rbgui |
| 06:11.51 | brlcad | it was just to move past dwelling on it since there were so many questions about it vs others that really couldn't be answered without just trying it out |
| 06:12.33 | Ralith | hm. I'd imagined there must have been some compelling reason to work off of a dead project. |
| 06:12.52 | brlcad | if it can be made to work, great -- I highly suspect we will end up with a lot of customized widgets and interactions as it starts coming to demo-state |
| 06:13.31 | brlcad | Ralith: have you seen their demo? |
| 06:13.36 | Ralith | I don't think so |
| 06:14.08 | brlcad | some of the previous discussion, fwiw -- http://brlcad.org/wiki/Talk:OpenGL_GUI_Framework |
| 06:14.10 | Ralith | I'll admit that when brought to a working state it doesn't look half bad in g3d |
| 06:14.36 | Ralith | quite modern. |
| 06:14.50 | brlcad | http://rightbraingames.com/Gui.wmv |
| 06:15.16 | Ralith | pulls it down |
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| 06:19.00 | Ralith | ...that is *very* aesthetically appealing |
| 06:19.43 | Ralith | put even a reasonably usable editor behind that and we'd probably get quite the spike in users out of ooh-shiny factor alone. |
| 06:19.57 | brlcad | nods |
| 06:20.20 | brlcad | the basic skinny about cegui (which I love in concept, btw), is that it doesn't/didn't yet have vector gui elements, and some widgets are missing |
| 06:21.06 | Ralith | anything really that hard to add? |
| 06:21.09 | Ralith | oo, those spline widgets are neat |
| 06:21.39 | brlcad | yeah, it would be -- cegui is based around a markup description layer similar to html |
| 06:21.53 | Ralith | that extensively? I thought that was just for layout. |
| 06:21.55 | brlcad | so window decorations and borders are all themed using images |
| 06:22.22 | Ralith | do you know how extensive RBGui's vector support is? |
| 06:22.41 | brlcad | have talked to a couple of the devs that work on it before -- they plan to add it at some point, just will take a lot of api changes |
| 06:22.49 | brlcad | nope |
| 06:22.54 | Ralith | kk |
| 06:23.09 | brlcad | yeah, isn't to say that rbgui solves that problem |
| 06:23.11 | Ralith | first glance suggests just fills and gradients, but I haven't looked at the code yet, and those cover most practical use cases anyway I guess |
| 06:23.11 | brlcad | either |
| 06:23.21 | brlcad | more just what came up about cegui |
| 06:24.01 | brlcad | yeah, it's a simple enough library that the assertion was it can probably do just about everything we need it for in the immediate future regardless |
| 06:24.26 | brlcad | as could a couple others, and if we had to live with maintaining rbgui or one of the others, so be it |
| 06:24.26 | Ralith | well, you've talked me into agreement with the decision. |
| 06:24.45 | Ralith | as you say, considering the amount of customization we're ultimately likely to apply to anything, that's not unreasonable. |
| 06:25.05 | brlcad | still better than rolling our own :0 |
| 06:25.18 | Ralith | indeed. |
| 06:25.30 | brlcad | now another option that came up just in the last year |
| 06:25.46 | brlcad | that was previously a non-starter due to licensing.. qt |
| 06:26.05 | brlcad | could see someone trying out a qt+ogre swap out |
| 06:26.12 | Ralith | qt has bad licensing? |
| 06:26.19 | Ralith | I thought it was LGPL |
| 06:26.28 | brlcad | that just happened this year |
| 06:26.31 | Ralith | ah, right |
| 06:26.58 | Ralith | well, I dunno. Qt can't render inside an OpenGL context, can it? |
| 06:27.29 | brlcad | hm, I don't know -- would be a little surprised if it couldn't |
| 06:27.32 | Ralith | if that's correct, that limits our freedom in design significantly. |
| 06:27.33 | Ralith | really? |
| 06:28.02 | Ralith | I'd be surprised if it did; maybe I have a misconception of it, but it seems wholly targeted at, uh |
| 06:28.05 | Ralith | not sure what the term is |
| 06:28.06 | Ralith | normal apps? |
| 06:29.25 | Ralith | I wouldn't expect gtk to render within a OpenGL context, either. |
| 06:29.29 | Ralith | never seen them used that way, certainly |
| 06:29.54 | Ralith | every Qt/gtk opengl app I've seen always just had an embedded context, with the GUI surrounding it. |
| 06:30.17 | Ralith | not that that doesn't have a history of working perfectly well, but I like the possibilities offered by having them render to the same place. |
| 06:30.26 | brlcad | nods |
| 06:30.36 | Ralith | not to mention the plain visual appeal of all the neat fading, smooth movement, etc. that RBGui implements and that can't be reliably done otherwise. |
| 06:30.41 | brlcad | certainly can say definitely without some research/testing |
| 06:30.47 | Ralith | yeah |
| 06:31.35 | brlcad | rbgui gets away with it simply by rendering everything itself, which has the cost of lost native look and feel (which is a good and bad thing!) |
| 06:31.57 | brlcad | i don't mind not looking native if it looks really good, and it should |
| 06:32.01 | Ralith | I'm not sure anyone expects a modeling app to have native look and feel thesedays. |
| 06:32.10 | Ralith | or maybe that's just graphics apps. |
| 06:32.42 | brlcad | yeah, modeling is a lot like the gaming industry in that regard where custom guis are more the norm than the exception |
| 06:33.00 | Ralith | and beyond that, native look and feel is only an element on OSX/Windows |
| 06:33.07 | brlcad | http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/opengl.html seems to indicate it's like any other widget |
| 06:33.17 | brlcad | implying it could be layered as needed |
| 06:33.26 | Ralith | it's nigh-impossible to guarantee an app fits in well on a *nix environment. |
| 06:33.37 | Ralith | oh, I didn't know Qt had capacity for that kind of layering. |
| 06:33.41 | Ralith | I guess it would make sense. |
| 06:34.09 | Ralith | would be an odd omission for something so large and widely used |
| 06:35.04 | brlcad | Ralith: you've seen the IOE video, yes? |
| 06:35.08 | Ralith | yup |
| 06:35.13 | brlcad | okay, great |
| 06:35.14 | Ralith | it was quite a while back though |
| 06:35.42 | Ralith | it struck me as very unique |
| 06:35.50 | brlcad | that pretty much surveys the basic look, feel, and interaction direction I'd like to start with |
| 06:35.54 | Ralith | have a link for it? I should probably review it. |
| 06:36.04 | brlcad | brlcad.org/design/gui |
| 06:36.10 | Ralith | hehe |
| 06:36.28 | Ralith | _final or _full? |
| 06:38.30 | brlcad | final I believe |
| 06:39.05 | brlcad | interesting qt interface with opengl contexts, http://www.qtsoftware.com/images/customers/coolapps/realflow4.jpg |
| 06:39.33 | Ralith | that looks about like what I'd expect |
| 06:39.45 | Ralith | blender-style UIs have always felt a lot more integrated to me, tbh |
| 06:39.48 | brlcad | yeah |
| 06:42.01 | brlcad | a little better, http://chaos.troll.no/%7Egunnar/jambi_image_viewer.jpg |
| 06:42.40 | brlcad | it's faked, though ;) |
| 06:42.47 | brlcad | rather, it's just an image |
| 06:42.54 | Ralith | yeah, looked that way |
| 06:43.01 | Ralith | (I can tell because of the pixels and etc) |
| 06:43.25 | Ralith | that and the inconsistent widgets. |
| 06:43.51 | Ralith | ...and the "Image Viewer" in the title. |
| 06:44.25 | Ralith | I suppose I like the idea of sticking with RBGui, then, and extending it to fit our needs; might well even be easier than adapting a more fully-realized lib. |
| 06:44.32 | brlcad | here's what I was looking for |
| 06:44.52 | brlcad | more in line, http://stellarium.org/img/screenshots/0.10-stel_gui.jpg |
| 06:45.06 | Ralith | ...that's Qt?> |
| 06:45.09 | brlcad | yep |
| 06:45.12 | Ralith | wow. |
| 06:45.17 | Ralith | because that doesn't look like Qt at all. |
| 06:45.20 | Ralith | that looks fully integrated. |
| 06:45.26 | Ralith | I wonder how hard it was for them to do that. |
| 06:45.56 | brlcad | yeah, qt's various classes (QtButton, etc) can have their display method overridden in various ways |
| 06:45.59 | Ralith | still probably can't offer the more 'fun' visual effects, but that's pretty impressive. |
| 06:46.16 | brlcad | basically allowing custom widget look and feel |
| 06:46.40 | brlcad | while still providing all the same "basic widgets" that you want like tabs, sliders, scrollers, textareas, etc |
| 06:47.24 | brlcad | yeah, don't know how hard in practice that is, just have seem several projects customize their qt gui that way |
| 06:47.38 | brlcad | if we ended up with something like that, I'd be content to live with qt ;) |
| 06:47.40 | Ralith | example code in abundance, then. |
| 06:47.56 | brlcad | or rbgui, or whatever, means to an end |
| 06:48.33 | Ralith | is inclined to favor the status quo for now, in the absence of any compelling reason to switch. |
| 06:49.15 | Ralith | reminds me, I recall reading on the Ogre forums a while back of someone working on a GPU backend for Cairo |
| 06:56.42 | Ralith | http://github.com/akyrtzi/cairo-gral/tree/master |
| 06:56.45 | Ralith | may be of interest. |
| 06:57.45 | brlcad | wow, stellarium gui is really impressive |
| 06:58.42 | Ralith | installs |
| 06:58.48 | Ralith | what's caught your eye with it? |
| 06:59.17 | brlcad | it's very neatly integrated |
| 07:00.32 | brlcad | translucent overlay windows, persistent menus, an info bar, a persistent info overlay, drawer menus, clean window/full-screen support |
| 07:03.01 | Ralith | hm. I wonder what license they use, and how easily torn out their GUI code is. |
| 07:03.41 | brlcad | gpl |
| 07:03.49 | Ralith | ah. |
| 07:03.56 | Ralith | that would be a problem, then, right? |
| 07:04.00 | Ralith | as far as taking directly. |
| 07:04.08 | brlcad | to use their code direclty, yes |
| 07:04.20 | Ralith | gaaah |
| 07:04.24 | Ralith | something on my system hates xinerama |
| 07:04.36 | Ralith | my mouse keeps dying >:| |
| 07:04.53 | Ralith | anyway. |
| 07:04.57 | Ralith | Qt's an awfully big dependency. |
| 07:05.11 | brlcad | intersting that they have many of the same widgets as ioe, just in different places, slightly different behaviors |
| 07:06.38 | Ralith | brb, need to restart X |
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| 07:08.51 | brlcad | yes, it is a big dep. if it did exactly what we needed, though, I'd certainly live with that over anything else that didn't give us a crisp beautiful gui |
| 07:09.05 | brlcad | if we could get that gui with something else, something smaller, even better |
| 07:11.20 | Ralith | for all its size, does Qt actually offer much relevant to us that RBGui doesn't? |
| 07:16.01 | brlcad | that's hard to say without doing an evaluation |
| 07:16.27 | brlcad | laying out some of the basic requirements and features and directly doing a comparison |
| 07:16.49 | brlcad | or just dropping the code in and giving it a go to see how it works |
| 07:18.00 | brlcad | the glitzy things that make stellarium very compelling are not exactly provided by qt directly either, so it's really just a matter of widgets and extensibility |
| 07:18.23 | Ralith | nods |
| 07:18.36 | Ralith | examines the RBGui widget implementations |
| 07:19.41 | brlcad | rbgui is so simple that my initial reaction last year was that we could probably gut and extend rbgui to do what we needed with a minimal amount of effort (no less than most frameworks), at least to get to an end state that looks and feels like IOE |
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| 07:21.52 | brlcad | where rbgui will fail is if we need native look and feel, native widget support and the bells and whistles that come with native widgets (like pervasive spell-checking, copy paste support, shortcut navigation and selection keybindings, etc) |
| 07:22.51 | Ralith | copy/paste support should at the very least be trivial to tack on. |
| 07:23.01 | Ralith | at least in X |
| 07:23.02 | brlcad | each feature individually is trivial |
| 07:23.15 | brlcad | there are just about a hundred of them :) |
| 07:23.18 | Ralith | point. |
| 07:24.09 | Ralith | and Qt is very, very well supported. |
| 07:24.38 | Ralith | and documented, and ported, and maintained, and... |
| 07:24.46 | brlcad | and big ;) |
| 07:25.01 | Ralith | the counterpoint to that is that most users will have it anyway. |
| 07:25.11 | brlcad | but yeah, it'd be a non-issue otherwise |
| 07:25.19 | brlcad | as it pretty much just works |
| 07:25.50 | Ralith | it certainly has its attractions. |
| 07:26.51 | brlcad | so that could be a gsoc project in itself |
| 07:27.03 | brlcad | make [insert toolkit here] work |
| 07:27.30 | Ralith | not nearly as fun as getting g3d able to actually interact with some geometry, though. |
| 07:27.32 | brlcad | taking it all the way to matching most of the look and feel intended with customizations |
| 07:27.45 | brlcad | true |
| 07:28.00 | brlcad | but the latter is also complicated by the fact that the backend is a rapidly moving target |
| 07:28.19 | brlcad | there's the libged library (which it presently hooks to) |
| 07:28.35 | brlcad | and which will give it most of mged's command-line functionality |
| 07:29.13 | brlcad | and there's also the new geometry engine, which is ready for basic geometry management but not for a full-blown editor just yet (not this summer) |
| 07:29.46 | brlcad | and there's the geometry service, which is what it should ultimately be using but is even farther still away from completion |
| 07:30.07 | Ralith | so, time might be best spent on the frontend? |
| 07:30.33 | brlcad | probably, that's the one piece that can be worked on in relative isolation |
| 07:30.59 | Ralith | alright. |
| 07:31.10 | brlcad | or working entirely on the backend, working on one of those three, but then there's not much to see |
| 07:31.34 | brlcad | doing just a little of the front and little of the back would be a bit of a mess I think |
| 07:31.34 | Ralith | and a lot more familiarity with BRL-CAD required, no? |
| 07:32.20 | brlcad | depends, for GE yes, for GS slightly less so, for GED not really (it's mostly refactoring and api cleanup now, almost done) |
| 07:33.16 | Ralith | I think my real reservation about Qt is not so much its raw size as that it tries to be an entire application framework rather than just a GUI. |
| 07:33.24 | Ralith | that said, I suppose this is not necessarily a bad thing. |
| 07:33.33 | brlcad | that is true |
| 07:33.54 | Ralith | if it's good at what it does--which I don't know--that might make things a lot easier. |
| 07:35.07 | brlcad | it would be a gsoc-sized project to convert existing rbgui portion over to qt, i'm sure there's refactoring that would need to happen along the way |
| 07:35.46 | Ralith | I'm not sure it wouldn't be easier to start mostly from scratch |
| 07:35.59 | Ralith | considering that even an interface to Ogre is missing |
| 07:36.40 | brlcad | hm, I wouldn't like that -- there's a lot of good effort invested already |
| 07:36.55 | Ralith | that's my feeling too. |
| 07:36.55 | brlcad | things like various mouse interaction modes for example |
| 07:37.27 | brlcad | I'd rather see it evolve that be replaced, even if it feels like it's a slower path |
| 07:37.33 | Ralith | it's hard to say how much of it would survive such a major switch |
| 07:38.08 | Ralith | but, I certainly see your point, and I'm sure such an approach is not infeasible. |
| 07:38.29 | brlcad | perfectly valid to evolve into something completely new |
| 07:40.16 | brlcad | but that would be determined by doing the work and seeing the incremental steps it needs to take to get there |
| 07:40.39 | Ralith | yeah. |
| 07:42.16 | brlcad | another good gsoc project.. de-tcl'fying the core libraries (libbu, libbn, libwdb, librt, libged) |
| 07:42.24 | Ralith | there's TCL in those? O.o |
| 07:42.25 | brlcad | that's a big refactoring task |
| 07:42.47 | Ralith | what's it doing there? |
| 07:42.48 | brlcad | the C api of tcl |
| 07:43.11 | brlcad | tcl actually has a very nice C library |
| 07:43.23 | Ralith | huh? |
| 07:43.33 | Ralith | maybe I just need to look at the code |
| 07:44.39 | brlcad | tcl provides a slew of basic utility classes and callback mechansisms that slowly integrated into the libs over two decades |
| 07:45.13 | brlcad | things like hash tables, appending results to strings, and evaluating callbacks |
| 07:46.09 | Ralith | so, move implementations of all that into libbu? |
| 07:46.10 | brlcad | that aspect of tcl is actually very nice, but for simple containment reasons, I'm reverting a decision that was made about 15 years ago to allow tcl to mix in with core code |
| 07:46.50 | brlcad | yeah, some things we have implementations for, other things would need some basic support added or alternatives found |
| 07:47.31 | Ralith | sounds fairly straightforward. |
| 07:48.01 | Ralith | if involved. |
| 07:48.30 | brlcad | it is, it's just a lot of work |
| 07:48.48 | brlcad | probably would end up refactoring somewhere around ... |
| 07:48.59 | brlcad | does a quick line count check for tcl'isms |
| 07:51.41 | brlcad | so at a minimum, that is refactoring about 4000 lines of code |
| 07:54.10 | Ralith | refactor linecounts can be misleading |
| 07:54.32 | Ralith | considering how much can be done with careful application of regular expressions. |
| 07:54.46 | brlcad | also includes about 200 functions apparently .. so expand that out to all callers and you're probably looking at 20k or so |
| 07:55.51 | brlcad | you could do a few things with regexps, but it'll still be a little tedious |
| 07:56.38 | Ralith | well, sure. |
| 07:56.47 | brlcad | most of it won't just be a function change though, it'll be a different interface and there will be a hundred files that have to be hand-edited because of all the different styles of use |
| 07:57.40 | brlcad | plus given this hits the grand-daddy librt library, extra care would have to be taken to verify changes don't break anything |
| 07:58.08 | Ralith | at least the benchmark suite is helpful there. |
| 07:59.07 | brlcad | that's just a minimum, but yeah |
| 08:01.47 | Ralith | there's also plenty to be said for a very well-defined task. |
| 08:03.05 | brlcad | refactoring tasks are often my favorite to work on |
| 08:03.38 | brlcad | they're well defined, you usually have an exact work list that you can identify, however long and tedious it may be |
| 08:04.11 | brlcad | i'll have the files in my emacs buffer and can watch the % complete increase as I make progress |
| 08:04.52 | brlcad | best part is usually the "clean" feeling that usually results |
| 08:04.59 | Ralith | yeah. |
| 08:05.12 | brlcad | and invariably, the code is then easier for others to understand and extend with new functionality |
| 08:05.55 | brlcad | seems to happen every time, gets cleaned up then someone takes it to the next level |
| 08:11.39 | Ralith | reviews the gsoc paperwork |
| 08:27.17 | Ralith | I should be able to get my applications in tomorrow. |
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| 15:48.54 | starseeker | gapes in awe at the stellarium |
| 15:48.59 | starseeker | screenshot |
| 15:50.23 | starseeker | As to the point about it being GPL - that will be true for ALL code (up until QT4.5) using QT. It was a licensing requirement |
| 15:51.01 | starseeker | many will probably stick with GPL, but it wouldn't hurt (if there is interest) to talk to the authors and see if they would be willing to re-license under LGPL now that they can |
| 15:51.43 | starseeker | if we find a code base that is genuinely interesting in terms of wanting to drop code straight into BRL-CAD, that's certainly a reasonable first step |
| 15:52.06 | starseeker | if they say no, not a big deal - we simply identify the techniques used to achieve the effect and write our own solution |
| 15:53.22 | starseeker | I've never seen QT used in that way before, but seeing that it can be makes my interest in it rise by at least a factor of 2. |
| 16:00.25 | ``Erik | nifty app |
| 16:06.43 | starseeker | wooof. apparently my system isn't up to handling that |
| 16:07.22 | starseeker | checks website for minimum hardware requirements |
| 16:08.06 | starseeker | hmmmm |
| 16:08.31 | starseeker | my system is much faster than that.... |
| 16:08.34 | starseeker | weird |
| 16:08.51 | ``Erik | doing something silly like running linux on it? :D |
| 16:09.17 | starseeker | uh, vice versa actually |
| 16:09.30 | ``Erik | meant the system |
| 16:09.37 | starseeker | heh |
| 16:09.46 | ``Erik | english sucks for context sensitive statements :D |
| 16:10.26 | ``Erik | hopes it has a 'light pollution' slider O.o |
| 16:13.02 | starseeker | yuck: frames per second = 0.018 |
| 16:16.32 | ``Erik | fires it up |
| 16:20.12 | starseeker | wonders if his nvidia support didn't get reset or something... |
| 16:22.49 | ``Erik | hm, a light pollution selector |
| 16:22.54 | ``Erik | acceptable, I suppose |
| 16:24.16 | starseeker | yech. well, bzflag does it too so it's not stellarium's fault |
| 16:24.24 | starseeker | starts checking nvidia driver versions |
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| 16:25.49 | starseeker | oh, cute, it's using the software one. why???? |
| 16:25.53 | starseeker | alrightie... |
| 16:26.05 | ``Erik | 50fps here :) |
| 16:26.11 | ``Erik | that's a pretty nifty app |
| 16:30.20 | starseeker | yep, there we go |
| 16:30.38 | starseeker | in the 40 range here (after fixing acceleration) |
| 16:30.43 | starseeker | that is cool |
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| 16:32.29 | ``Erik | I might stick my head out tonight to look for saturn |
| 16:39.33 | ``Erik | wonders why he has to put .cvsignore in his .cvsignore O.o |
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| 17:52.59 | brlcad | starseeker: it's not a big deal either way, it's really not that hard to design a custom interface (even with or without qt) |
| 17:53.41 | brlcad | we're talking about days or weeks of time, not months, generally speaking |
| 17:54.35 | brlcad | but yeah, stellarium is one of several projects that have a really nice custom interface (there are others) |
| 18:21.00 | starseeker | brlcad: Indeed. That's what inclines me more towards QT in fact - since it allows the custom part (and that wouldn't be a big deal, agreed) it gives us for free native look and feel when/if we want it, which is a lot harder and more maintainance headache |
| 18:36.10 | brlcad | not quite for free, but it does make that option a little bit easier |
| 18:37.43 | brlcad | starseeker: another really nice 'streamlined' but gorgeous interface to look at is one of the apple opengl source code demo applications |
| 18:40.25 | brlcad | that's actually more in-line with what I would really like to see for an initial pre-release interface with single main display manaer context with some bindings, text overlays, crisp opengl with various render modes available, and an on-demand command prompt |
| 18:41.03 | brlcad | alas, that demo itself is mac-specific |
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| 18:50.34 | starseeker | brlcad: any movies of it? |
| 19:18.55 | brlcad | starseeker: hm, no |
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| 22:28.08 | Ralith | brlcad: I find myself still wondering if the benefits of relatively easy native integration are worth the effort necessary to openglify it; blender, for example, seems to get by fine with little to no native integration. |
| 22:28.15 | Ralith | (re: Qt) |
| 22:28.59 | Ralith | also, do you ever sleep? :P |
| 22:29.59 | andax | Ralith: opengl is not supported by all graphics cards. would there be alternatives? |
| 22:30.19 | Ralith | it's not? |
| 22:31.05 | andax | i remember i had a Asus AMD64 board with onboard graphics card (Chrome) which had no opengl |
| 22:31.35 | Ralith | I would be very surprised if that's the case. |
| 22:31.54 | Ralith | besides, anybody who expects to use a modern CAD app will need OpenGL one way or another. |
| 22:31.58 | Ralith | it's the industry standard |
| 22:35.13 | Ralith | that said, I believe RBGui + Ogre will allow us to run on DirectX for no extra effort |
| 22:36.24 | andax | it was a via s3 unichrome pro graphics card. okay, it was a cheap office PC but i remember i had vector graphics even on our first DOS-box with a 8086 CPU and wondered why i need that opengl support from hardware side for practically all 3d applications |
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| 22:38.44 | Ralith | because OpenGL is the standard. |
| 22:39.04 | Ralith | ancient hardware doesn't always implement the standards; this is one of the reasons it has been superseded. |
| 22:39.11 | kanzure | Hi all, does anyone know of anything capable of converting a .sldprt file that I have laying around here? |
| 22:40.06 | Ralith | kanzure: from solidworks? I think you'll have to convert it to something more standard using solidworks as an intermediary first. |
| 22:42.15 | Ralith | andax: you have to admit, "there used to be some hardware that didn't support it" is not a very strong argument. |
| 22:42.21 | Ralith | as it could be applied to anything. |
| 22:42.46 | kanzure | Ralith: I don't have solidworks. |
| 22:42.47 | andax_ | Ralith: yes, but on the other hand we already had 3d graphics on this acient hardware before anyone talked about opengl. i remember f-18 flight simulation from microprose, for example :) |
| 22:42.56 | Ralith | kanzure: that sounds like a problem. |
| 22:42.57 | kanzure | Blah. I told these guys why they shouldn't use non-free software. |
| 22:43.09 | kanzure | throws a fit |
| 22:43.16 | Ralith | andax_: usually not hardware accelerated, though. |
| 22:43.25 | Ralith | you can always use mged. |
| 22:43.37 | kanzure | ? |
| 22:43.43 | kanzure | to convert the file? |
| 22:44.04 | Ralith | was talking to andax_ |
| 22:44.06 | kanzure | the problem is that I have a dot sldprt file, and a dot stl of the file, but the dot stl is wrong- there are some triangle errors and so on that 'netgen' is able to find though not fix |
| 22:44.26 | kanzure | maybe I'll go pray to the netgen folks for "Dr. STL" to start working |
| 22:45.08 | kanzure | context- here's what I've been doing today- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPY84NelFO4 |
| 22:49.30 | Ralith | kanzure: meshlab maybe? |
| 22:53.08 | kanzure | haven't heard of it |
| 22:53.25 | Ralith | it seems to be good at cleaning up that sort of thing |
| 22:56.45 | kanzure | http://meshlab.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Compiling |
| 22:56.49 | kanzure | wtf is wrong with these people? :p |
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| 22:58.07 | Ralith | ? |
| 22:58.23 | kanzure | guess they've never heard of dependency management and autogen |
| 22:58.54 | Ralith | where do you get that idea? |
| 22:59.02 | Ralith | just because they list the dependencies? |
| 22:59.42 | kanzure | because I downloaded it and I have to manually compile all of these sub packages or whatever |
| 23:00.01 | Ralith | or you could just, you know, install them with your package manager. |
| 23:00.02 | kanzure | also, that's a non-standard way of listing dependencies |
| 23:00.11 | kanzure | nope, they are not available from the package manager |
| 23:00.12 | Ralith | there's a standard way? |
| 23:00.15 | kanzure | I checked before I started ranting :) |
| 23:00.18 | Ralith | that's your distro's fault, then |
| 23:00.19 | Ralith | not theirs |
| 23:00.31 | kanzure | well, most distributions have standdard ways of managing dependencies |
| 23:00.33 | kanzure | not really |
| 23:00.37 | kanzure | they could have just picked any standard format |
| 23:00.46 | kanzure | for instance, on debian there is an 'alien' tool to convert between rpm and to deb and such |
| 23:00.51 | Ralith | then they would have been unable to support the others. |
| 23:00.56 | Ralith | and that's a binary release, not source. |
| 23:01.18 | kanzure | recalls obtaining source packages through package managers |
| 23:01.22 | Ralith | they're not responsible for making their tools available in your repository of source |
| 23:01.26 | Ralith | er |
| 23:01.27 | Ralith | of choice |
| 23:01.38 | Ralith | that's up to whoever manages the repository |
| 23:01.39 | kanzure | I guess they could make it completely unavailable |
| 23:01.52 | Ralith | if you don't like it, ask whoever manages the repository to include it |
| 23:01.59 | brlcad | 2yeah, same here |
| 23:02.04 | kanzure | still, lack of a make file.. |
| 23:02.17 | Ralith | nothing big comes with makefiles |
| 23:02.22 | Ralith | qmake is a build system that generates makefiles. |
| 23:02.29 | Ralith | just like autotools, cmake, etc |
| 23:02.31 | kanzure | so is autogen, like I mentioned :) |
| 23:02.32 | kanzure | yeah |
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| 23:02.43 | Ralith | there's nothing wrong with using something other than autotools |
| 23:02.54 | kanzure | there's something wrong with using nothing. |
| 23:02.58 | Ralith | they're using qmake |
| 23:03.01 | Ralith | qmake != nothing |
| 23:03.06 | kanzure | wtf? /me checks the directory again |
| 23:03.30 | Ralith | brlcad: did you get my earlier comment? |
| 23:03.32 | kanzure | how can you tell? |
| 23:03.38 | Ralith | kanzure: because it says so in the wiki page you linked. |
| 23:03.39 | kanzure | ah, there's a make file at least |
| 23:05.33 | kanzure | okay, nevermind, you're right. |
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| 23:36.32 | starseeker_ | hmm - is bz having trouble? |
| 23:36.58 | starseeker_ | can't ssh in |
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| 00:09.32 | ``Erik_ | points and laughs at starseeker some |
| 00:09.38 | ``Erik_ | points and laughs at starseeker some/part |
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| 00:09.58 | ``Erik | woops, accidently tapped the up arrow |
| 00:11.28 | ``Erik | it does seem to be dropping packets, though |
| 00:12.00 | ``Erik | or, rather, a router close to it is dropping packets :/ |
| 00:12.39 | brlcad | yeah, there's some networking problem |
| 00:12.46 | brlcad | 50-90% packet loss |
| 00:12.47 | ``Erik | with "pnap" |
| 00:12.56 | brlcad | been going since about 18:36 EDT |
| 00:13.26 | brlcad | seems to be a main sago router, main website doesn't come up nor various routers will ping without loss |
| 00:14.13 | ``Erik | traceroute indicates sago's uplink provider (pnap) is having issues between their backbone and sagos drop |
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| 00:26.14 | Ralith | brlcad: ping? |
| 00:32.13 | brlcad | Ralith: pong? |
| 00:37.13 | Ralith | there we are. |
| 00:37.47 | Ralith | was '16:02:36 < brlcad> yeah, same here' a reply to my comment on Qt? |
| 00:38.59 | brlcad | is painfully dealing with the network woes at the moment, apologies on delay |
| 00:39.10 | Ralith | no worries |
| 00:40.18 | brlcad | the "yeah, same here" comment was due to the networking problems.. went to the wrong channel |
| 00:40.23 | Ralith | ahh. |
| 00:40.46 | brlcad | I type and then it shows up anywhere from 1 to 60 seconds later |
| 00:41.02 | Ralith | that would be very frustrating. |
| 00:41.15 | Ralith | so, bad time to discuss UI toolkits further I guess :P |
| 00:43.36 | brlcad | is reading the backlog |
| 00:44.15 | brlcad | ah, I see now -- your comment |
| 00:44.35 | brlcad | I wouldn't pick qt for native integration capability, just a side comment I think |
| 00:44.55 | brlcad | it's more the other things (widget-wise) that qt or rbgui or whatever provide |
| 00:45.13 | brlcad | and no, I try not to sleep |
| 00:45.18 | brlcad | a piece of you dies every time you sleep! |
| 00:45.20 | Ralith | lol |
| 00:46.10 | Ralith | looks over Qt's widget offerings |
| 00:46.11 | brlcad | kanzure, you see the gsoc list of converters that folks could work on? :) |
| 00:46.22 | brlcad | I suspect that will answer your question about sldprt files |
| 00:46.43 | kanzure | heh |
| 00:46.50 | kanzure | that did turn up in my search results a few hours ago actually |
| 00:46.53 | kanzure | (the wiki page in particular) |
| 00:47.06 | brlcad | we show up on a lot of search results.. |
| 00:47.35 | brlcad | I often go hunting for something only to find a brl-cad page in the top list of results (or the top result) ... dammit! ;) |
| 00:47.39 | brlcad | if we had it, I wouldn't be loking :) |
| 00:48.03 | brlcad | we're just often apparently a main source for even discussing some matters |
| 00:48.16 | Ralith | BRL-CAD is extremely unique |
| 00:48.19 | Ralith | that has that result. |
| 00:49.12 | brlcad | actually I think it happened just yesterday when we were talking about guis and I went to search for that screenshot I was looking for |
| 00:49.35 | brlcad | top result was that wiki discussion page about gui options |
| 00:50.05 | brlcad | ah, the rbgui avi |
| 00:50.38 | brlcad | nay a link on rightbraingames, but our wiki sure came up |
| 00:50.56 | brlcad | dmaybeprobably just the way I phrased it |
| 00:51.19 | Ralith | helps that rightbraingames has barely a web presence |
| 00:51.29 | Ralith | and that you wrote most of the relevant wiki pages. |
| 00:52.18 | ``Erik | heh, I was looking for something about some archaic computer a few days ago and ended up at http://ftp.brl.mil O.o |
| 00:53.23 | Ralith | hmm, Qt's docs look really good. |
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| 01:11.42 | Ralith | in fact it looks pretty fun to dev for |
| 01:34.51 | ``Erik | the before, in the long long ago, I used qt due to the awesome docs and tutorials, but ended up switching to gtk+ because of the repaint on resize issue (as well as the painful compile times of c++ on a 120mhz cpu with 48m ram) |
| 01:34.51 | ``Erik | the before time, rather |
| 01:34.53 | Ralith | that's quite the before time. |
| 01:35.07 | Ralith | Qt still has painful compile times, but that shouldn't be a real issue |
| 01:35.22 | Ralith | since even devs will need to compile it at most once, barring upgrades |
| 01:41.01 | ``Erik | um, I meant compiling the programs that use qt :) |
| 01:41.09 | Ralith | ah. |
| 01:41.18 | Ralith | hopefully that isn't too bad. |
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| 01:42.26 | ``Erik | hm, I'm under the impression that the BRL-CAD compile is disproportionately dominated by OpenNURBS (the only significant chunk of c++, iirc) :/ |
| 01:43.06 | Ralith | the BRL-CAD compile isn't that bad. |
| 01:43.25 | ``Erik | I know on this machine I'm running a portmanager on right now, c++ ports grind the machine down to a halt, and beat on swap a lot :( |
| 01:43.26 | Ralith | g3d should be a significantly smaller codebase, depiste C++ness |
| 01:43.40 | ``Erik | gtk+ compiles faster than cmake heh :( |
| 01:43.46 | Ralith | :P |
| 01:44.11 | ``Erik | pheer my 650mhz p3 with 128m ram! PHEER IT! |
| 01:44.36 | Ralith | lol |
| 02:04.00 | Ralith | brlcad: discovery! Qt appears to ship with support for drawing to OpenGL! |
| 02:04.01 | Ralith | :D |
| 02:07.32 | Ralith | brb |
| 02:28.15 | Ralith | returns |
| 02:42.27 | brlcad | ``Erik: openNURBS did increase the compile time by approximately 50-150% depending on plat, compiler, and memory |
| 02:43.28 | brlcad | and increased overall code size by about 20% with about 200k of sources |
| 02:43.47 | brlcad | c++ just compiles a whole lot slower than c |
| 02:44.48 | brlcad | Ralith: I know -- it wouldn't be very useful or interesting toolkit without an opengl widget :) |
| 02:44.54 | Ralith | nonono |
| 02:45.05 | Ralith | drawing to OpenGL a la stellarium |
| 02:45.13 | Ralith | that's not a custom hackjob there |
| 02:45.21 | Ralith | see: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/06/27/accelerate-your-widgets-with-opengl/ |
| 02:45.37 | Ralith | I grabbed and build the code; runs great, looks simple to duplicate |
| 02:46.27 | brlcad | ah, yeah, that too |
| 02:48.30 | brlcad | that's not quite what stellarium is doing iirc, but akin to Glitz |
| 02:49.24 | Ralith | what's stellarium doing, then? |
| 02:49.32 | Ralith | this seems to be what we need. |
| 02:50.41 | brlcad | iirc, they're inheriting off of the various qt widget classes and overriding the drawing routine |
| 02:51.09 | brlcad | instead just drawing an alpha-channeled image for many of those items |
| 02:52.16 | brlcad | the image drawing is still done through qt, though, so it has the option to use ogl acceleration to blit the image as texture quads on the backend |
| 02:52.26 | brlcad | *textured |
| 02:53.02 | Ralith | in the example I linked, if I'm reading it correctly, it's basically just saying "Here's my GUI; render it with OpenGL, please." |
| 02:53.12 | Ralith | and then overriding the background to draw the 3D stuff through normal OpenGL calls. |
| 02:54.20 | Ralith | of course, there'd be a bit more work in our case since there's the need to hook everything up to Ogre instead of pure OpenGL |
| 02:54.52 | brlcad | actually I think it'll work easier the other way around |
| 02:55.04 | Ralith | other way around? |
| 02:55.27 | brlcad | setting up the window/view/context(s) with qt and then initializing ogre at a lower level to use that context |
| 02:55.52 | Ralith | ah, you're probably right |
| 02:56.20 | brlcad | instead of starting up with ogre and finding a way to initialize qt to use it |
| 02:56.42 | Ralith | I think there's even some example code of putting Ogre inside Qt that could be leveraged |
| 02:56.52 | Ralith | since it's basically the same mechanisms |
| 02:56.57 | brlcad | yep |
| 02:58.37 | Ralith | sounds like a plan. |
| 03:03.09 | brlcad | "The network issue has been resolved. There was a major DDoS attack that flooded Sago's bandwidth. The IPs that were being attacked have been null routed which stopped the DDoS attack." |
| 03:03.23 | Ralith | yay! |
| 03:31.25 | Ralith | brlcad: where does submitting a formal gsoc application fit in to the participation checklist? |
| 03:32.23 | Ralith | it's suggested elsewhere that commit access should be obtained beforehand, but that's the last item on said list, which also includes references to mentor discussions and design docs and such, which seems inconsistent. |
| 03:35.54 | Ralith | to put it more simply, I'm wondering what I should get done before sending in my app; for example, should I update the OpenGL GUI page with documentation of what we've discussed? |
| 03:35.55 | brlcad | Ralith: the participation checklist is for those already applied and selected, sort of a to-do list after the fact |
| 03:36.00 | Ralith | ahh. |
| 03:36.24 | brlcad | the getting started section at http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code is the first steps |
| 03:36.39 | Ralith | because it contains many items that are elsewhere emphasized as things to do beforehand. |
| 03:36.46 | brlcad | yeah, it overlaps |
| 03:39.22 | brlcad | independent lists each with items not on the other .. should probably combine them into one, one list with two sections perhaps |
| 03:40.19 | brlcad | e.g., first one says to interact on #brlcad , the other is specific to introduce yourself (and your project) |
| 03:40.23 | brlcad | if you hadn't already |
| 03:40.46 | Ralith | kk |
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| 04:21.53 | Ralith | brlcad: is scripting language support a responsibility of the editor, or something to be provided by an external library? |
| 05:44.50 | starseeker | Arrrgh - I wish I wasn't broke... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=250395300975 |
| 05:46.39 | starseeker | oh well, no storage anyway |
| 05:49.23 | Ralith | now that would be cool to model. |
| 05:49.54 | Ralith | we should build up a bunch of neat blueprints like that and suggest people model them for future SoCs :D |
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| 07:24.33 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads (from Las Vegas!) |
| 07:25.45 | Ralith | hello, yukonbobhead! |
| 07:25.50 | Ralith | what're you up to down there? |
| 07:28.45 | yukonbob | Ralith: hi |
| 07:29.49 | yukonbob | Ralith: visiting wife + kid... I'm working in Vancouver, she's working in Alberta (with baby), and believe it or not, this was convenient. |
| 07:30.18 | yukonbob | (she' was presenting paper earlier this week in Vegas; she's a cultural anthropologist) |
| 07:30.25 | Ralith | that doesn't sound like much fun :/ |
| 07:30.34 | Ralith | (the vancouver/alberta thing, not the paper thing) |
| 07:30.36 | yukonbob | Ralith: no fun at all... |
| 07:30.48 | yukonbob | Ralith: looking forward to the end of this situation |
| 08:44.25 | Ralith | brlcad: you there? |
| 08:44.29 | brlcad | yep |
| 08:44.59 | Ralith | how does 'stubbing' functionality by backing it with libged sound? |
| 08:45.23 | Ralith | will the interfaces be similar enough for it to be easily converted to the geometry service? |
| 08:45.50 | brlcad | scripting support is going to be handled by the front-end, but probably a plugin facility in the geometry service's domain |
| 08:46.11 | brlcad | or a layer in-between |
| 08:46.49 | brlcad | that sounds good -- that's sort of what mafm's work to date did |
| 08:47.09 | Ralith | I wasn't aware that mafm's work to date did much talking to BRL-CAD at all. |
| 08:47.59 | Ralith | re: scripting, that leaves me a little unclear |
| 08:48.25 | Ralith | g3d is expected to implement scripting in the short term, but eventually it will be separated out? |
| 08:49.32 | brlcad | yeah, it already uses libged to open a .g geometry file, display geometry, undisplay, etc |
| 08:50.49 | Ralith | ah. |
| 08:50.51 | brlcad | basically, most things will have to be handled by the application in the short term and/or worked with the other bigger projects as they come to fruition |
| 08:51.08 | Ralith | kk |
| 08:51.29 | Ralith | sounds like a standalone scripting system would make yet another good soc project |
| 08:51.34 | Ralith | well |
| 08:51.36 | Ralith | maybe not |
| 08:51.43 | Ralith | as it'd have a pretty ill defined interface for the time being, I think |
| 08:52.15 | brlcad | example, when this is done, an application wouldn't need (or want) to have to maintain ged structures -- that would happen by the service automatically |
| 08:53.08 | brlcad | the goal is for the client to be a thin-client, minimum functionality with most of the logic happening on an application-backend through a plugin-architecture |
| 08:53.32 | brlcad | notes that this is better explained with pictures, but maybe you get the gist |
| 08:54.10 | Ralith | I think I do, especially since it's a very clean way to do things. |
| 08:54.12 | Ralith | very unixy. |
| 08:54.32 | Ralith | which is something increasingly (and worryingly) rare among large-scale projects. |
| 08:54.50 | brlcad | that's why, though, I was mentioning yesterday that the goal shouldn't be so much to focus on how it interacts with geometry, libged, librt, geometry engine, geometry service, et al, but to work on the gui itself and getting that framework set up (polished, clean look and feel, etc) |
| 08:55.00 | Ralith | yeah |
| 08:55.02 | Ralith | that makes perfect sense |
| 08:55.16 | Ralith | no point spending devtime on something that'll be deprecated in short order, and was never really good practice to start with. |
| 08:55.51 | brlcad | a little less exciting perhaps, but it's the only known step without -- as you note -- working on a backend feature like a scripting module in the geometry service |
| 08:55.59 | brlcad | which would be cool, but yeah -- another project in itself |
| 08:56.38 | brlcad | right, the measures g3d already goes to for opening a .g is arguably already "too much", but it is nice to at least be able to see some geometry :) |
| 08:56.50 | Ralith | I dunno, there's a *lot* of awesome-factor in building a script-independent scripting system as you've described. |
| 08:56.52 | brlcad | and libged does make that really easy |
| 08:57.50 | Ralith | I figure having enough of a backend to enable meaningful tests of usability is important. |
| 08:58.06 | Ralith | it's hard to study how practical something is to complete a task if you can't actually complete the task. |
| 08:59.07 | Ralith | by the way, is the BREP stuff still not very far along? I'm wondering how far we are from easy tesselation of arbitrary geometry. |
| 08:59.22 | Ralith | 'cuz that could ad major shiny-points to a demo. |
| 08:59.32 | brlcad | there has been some progress, but nothing you could rely on for gsoc |
| 09:00.17 | brlcad | still, even if it could do wireframe, or shaded display of unevaluated CSG, that much is all doable now |
| 09:00.41 | Ralith | good point |
| 09:00.58 | Ralith | unevaluated is plenty for some nice looking demos. |
| 09:01.26 | brlcad | and for mesh models, they'll look the same |
| 09:01.36 | brlcad | no booleans |
| 09:01.50 | Ralith | well, mesh models isn't really what we're here for |
| 09:02.07 | Ralith | though that would work well for pretty pictures. |
| 09:03.13 | brlcad | yep |
| 09:07.11 | brlcad | as for the scripting separation, if you think of the application having a front-end and a back-end, where the front is the gui (or the V in an MVC separation) and the back contains modular functionality in plugins |
| 09:07.51 | brlcad | one of the back modules is a command shell, that effectively provides a terminal service |
| 09:08.48 | brlcad | within that terminal service, you're basically running a command shell (e.g., tclsh, bash, python that (for now) hooks through those environments to libged) |
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| 09:10.09 | brlcad | that command layer itself would be a nice contained project in itself because it's easy enough to whip up an application testing harness that provides a command prompt and lets you switch between different scripting languages on the fly |
| 09:10.37 | Ralith | hm |
| 09:10.52 | Ralith | so [GUI actions trigger] commands trigger editing actions? |
| 09:11.11 | brlcad | explain? |
| 09:12.00 | Ralith | I'm having trouble seeing how the command line could be a plugin without duplication of the editing bindings between the GUI and the scripting system. |
| 09:12.15 | Ralith | unless the GUI is a wrapper of the command line |
| 09:12.48 | Ralith | which could work, assuming multiple shells can be used, and has some neat side effects like being able to easily show a command for every gui action. |
| 09:13.25 | brlcad | the latter -- every action in the system can be defined as a series of scriptable non-modal command actions |
| 09:13.44 | brlcad | that's actually how the geometry service is presently organized |
| 09:13.59 | Ralith | okay |
| 09:14.10 | Ralith | so multiple shells can be used in parallel then? |
| 09:14.14 | Ralith | could be confusing. |
| 09:14.15 | brlcad | absolutely |
| 09:14.33 | brlcad | that'd be up to the app to limit is possible |
| 09:14.52 | Ralith | oo, I know |
| 09:14.54 | brlcad | present an actual terminal window, for example |
| 09:14.56 | Ralith | command prompt. |
| 09:15.02 | Ralith | shell-specific prompt. |
| 09:15.06 | brlcad | right |
| 09:15.08 | Ralith | that would disambiguate nicely |
| 09:15.17 | Ralith | also minimize confusion when using someone else's workstation |
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| 09:15.33 | brlcad | that's what I was saying about running a command shell (within a terminal service) |
| 09:15.51 | Ralith | hm? |
| 09:15.56 | brlcad | terminal is basically a given console, in that console, you'd only be running one shell at a time |
| 09:16.10 | brlcad | but could certainly switch shells if you wanted |
| 09:16.23 | brlcad | just like a unix command terminal/console |
| 09:16.42 | Ralith | I was imagining the situation in which the g3d user is running an arbitrary shell |
| 09:16.49 | Ralith | the GUI would have to use its own console |
| 09:17.11 | Ralith | which prevents awesome stuff like sharing command history between GUI actions and manually entered commands |
| 09:17.17 | brlcad | wouldn't exactly be arbitrary as we'd have to make it work for each shell we want to support |
| 09:17.31 | Ralith | arbitrary in the sense that it might not be the one the GUI's using. |
| 09:17.39 | brlcad | they would have a shared command history, though |
| 09:17.46 | Ralith | how do you do that across different shells? |
| 09:17.52 | brlcad | that's where everything is eventually going to filter through the geometry service |
| 09:17.56 | Ralith | different syntaxes. |
| 09:18.08 | Ralith | you'd have to have some sort of action -> shell command convertor |
| 09:18.14 | brlcad | that's actually where commands will be handled -- just right now, that's in libged |
| 09:18.56 | Ralith | and you'd need to go from GUI shell -> abstract action -> user shell just to generate the history entry. |
| 09:19.04 | Ralith | or am I misunderstanding? |
| 09:19.43 | brlcad | more like "gui action -> gs command(s) -> ged command(s)" and "terminal command -> gs command -> ged command" |
| 09:20.15 | Ralith | ah. |
| 09:20.23 | Ralith | I was referring to command history in the shell context. |
| 09:20.41 | Ralith | this would be a valuable learning tool, because it'd show you how to do everything you depend on the GUI for by hand. |
| 09:21.16 | Ralith | not critical to a functional interface, sure, but I bet it would drastically increase the use of the more advanced capabilities granted by scripting. |
| 09:21.30 | brlcad | ah yeah .. making the terminal show history for gui actions would just be confusing I think -- I see that happening as more of a command transcript |
| 09:22.03 | brlcad | where you could ask the gs for a history transcript, and you'll see combined gui and/or console commands |
| 09:22.20 | Ralith | yeah, I follow |
| 09:22.44 | Ralith | I just really like the idea of showing users how to do things a more efficient way. |
| 09:23.09 | brlcad | most of the gui actions are asynchronous, most of the console are synchronous (at least by default) |
| 09:23.11 | Ralith | there won't be nearly as much use of the command line if you have to dig into documentation to use it. |
| 09:24.02 | Ralith | but I suppose my point this whole time is that a good design makes that impractical. |
| 09:24.28 | brlcad | makes what impractical? |
| 09:25.24 | Ralith | mapping GUI actions onto shell commands |
| 09:25.47 | brlcad | ah, yeah |
| 09:26.06 | brlcad | I mean you could -- gs commands will map pretty much 1-1 with shell commands |
| 09:26.32 | Ralith | but would it be practical to go from gs command to shell command? |
| 09:26.33 | brlcad | that's why you'll be able to pull up an editing history regardless of actions being performed through the gui or via command-line |
| 09:26.43 | Ralith | and beyond that, there's higher level stuff that could be mapped but would do so really badly |
| 09:26.49 | Ralith | e.g. complex chains of actions |
| 09:27.10 | Ralith | things that would take significant amounts of script to produce |
| 09:27.14 | brlcad | yeah -- many gui actions will translate to multiple commands, even a single "click" |
| 09:27.58 | brlcad | which could later be abstracted out into a single meta-command possibly, but there will always be something even more "meta" possible |
| 09:28.04 | Ralith | yup. |
| 09:28.15 | Ralith | which, I suppose, dooms the whole idea, irrespective of implementation details. |
| 09:29.51 | brlcad | if you recall the command prompt in the IOE demo, that's basically a single command that would feed/translate directly to the gs as a gs command and map 1-1 with a ged command |
| 09:30.10 | brlcad | and be an "action" that is scripting agnostic, raw command |
| 09:30.14 | Ralith | yeah |
| 09:30.33 | Ralith | but a proper implementation should allow full expressions, be they oneliners, in that context imo |
| 09:30.45 | Ralith | which includes things like loops which map onto many gs commands. |
| 09:31.08 | brlcad | not for the on-demand command prompt -- there is no interpreter |
| 09:31.16 | Ralith | oh? |
| 09:31.29 | Ralith | are you sure that's a good idea? |
| 09:31.56 | Ralith | you'd need to define a human-readable (and succinct enough to be enterable) syntax for gs commands |
| 09:32.03 | Ralith | and it'd detract from the power significantly. |
| 09:32.19 | brlcad | there is *still* a command console |
| 09:32.31 | brlcad | i'm referring to the on-demand command prompt |
| 09:32.38 | brlcad | which is separate from the console prompt |
| 09:32.53 | Ralith | I had thought that would just be a convenient method of accessing it. |
| 09:34.00 | brlcad | it's possible that the on-demand prompt could allow some form of one-liner scripting, but would not want to complicate it's simple expressivity for things that the command console will handle already |
| 09:35.07 | Ralith | the command console can handle simple 1:1 commands too, though |
| 09:35.19 | Ralith | so I don't see how such a shell is out of place in the on-demand prompt. |
| 09:35.29 | Ralith | or, wait |
| 09:35.33 | brlcad | yes it's 1-1, but it does it within a shell |
| 09:35.38 | Ralith | the prompt is focused on UI actions? |
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| 09:35.44 | brlcad | and you can switch shells |
| 09:35.50 | Ralith | rather than the shell being focused on editing actions? |
| 09:36.09 | brlcad | not sure I understand your question |
| 09:36.36 | Ralith | e.g. you'd use the prompt to save a file to local disk, and the shell to create a region. |
| 09:37.29 | Ralith | in the IOE demo the shell was for performing environment and overarching UI related actions, rather than directly controlling the programs. |
| 09:37.40 | Ralith | er |
| 09:37.43 | Ralith | the on demand prompt |
| 09:40.34 | brlcad | there was no shell in the IEO demo, just that on-demand command prompt -- but yeah, that on-demand could potentially allow environment/ui actions or lower-level commands |
| 09:40.59 | brlcad | those can happen on a terminal console as well, though, as it's all going through the same system |
| 09:41.24 | brlcad | I don't see much of the gui being inaccessible from the command prompt |
| 09:42.18 | Ralith | then I'm kind of confused as to why we need to introduce an entirely new syntax to what could just be another interface to the shell. |
| 09:42.32 | brlcad | be able to be in either and affect the other, or at least introspect the other as the "model" is still being managed by the backend gs state and both the command prompt and gui just reflect that state |
| 09:42.52 | brlcad | what OS do you use? |
| 09:42.59 | Ralith | *nixes in general |
| 09:43.02 | Ralith | Linux at the moment |
| 09:43.15 | Ralith | though I do find myself at windows often. |
| 09:44.40 | brlcad | that on-demand prompt is inspired by and modeled after application launchers |
| 09:45.08 | brlcad | akin to "quicksilver" on a mac if you've ever used that |
| 09:45.10 | Ralith | my ideal application launcher is a quick-loading one-line terminal. |
| 09:45.14 | Ralith | I haven't. |
| 09:45.49 | brlcad | I believe "Launchy" is sort of similar (just not nearly as awesome as quicksilver) for linux and windows |
| 09:45.58 | Ralith | haven't used that either >_> |
| 09:45.58 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_(software) |
| 09:46.02 | Ralith | I keep my UI simple. |
| 09:46.12 | brlcad | ahh, here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_application_launchers |
| 09:46.13 | Ralith | running xmonad, a minimalist tiling window manager, at the moment. |
| 09:46.18 | brlcad | nods |
| 09:46.36 | Ralith | window management in the IOE reminded me of it. |
| 09:47.35 | brlcad | basically it's a way to "DO THIS" on-demand when you don't have an interactive command prompt available, accessed via a quick hot-key like alt+space |
| 09:47.43 | Ralith | I follow |
| 09:47.54 | Ralith | but I don't see how that's not offered by a shell. |
| 09:48.04 | brlcad | it is offered by the shell |
| 09:48.20 | brlcad | but the shell is something persistent or something you launch, stays around, uses screen real-estate, etc |
| 09:48.24 | Ralith | then why go to the effort of specifying an entirely new syntax? |
| 09:48.34 | Ralith | shell in the sense of the actual interpreter |
| 09:48.45 | Ralith | not the terminal that's displayed |
| 09:49.12 | Ralith | it seems like this would add a significant amount to what you'd have to learn for relatively little benefit. |
| 09:49.31 | Ralith | which infringes on the critical usability factor. |
| 09:49.48 | Ralith | since it is, in effect, an entirely new 'language' |
| 09:49.54 | brlcad | could just be a terminology mismatch, shell to me means 'command shell' in a traditional sense like bash/tcsh/tclsh, those are shells -- entire interpreter environments |
| 09:50.13 | Ralith | that's what I mean |
| 09:50.27 | Ralith | the entry box wouldn't be persistent, but the interpreter can be. |
| 09:50.37 | brlcad | there is no new language, it basically is the common subset of all shell interpreters |
| 09:50.40 | Ralith | which is nice, because it allows for continuous state |
| 09:50.50 | Ralith | how do you do that when they have such varied syntax? |
| 09:50.52 | brlcad | the interpreters without their scripting harness -- the command portion |
| 09:51.28 | Ralith | you'd have to limit supported interpreters to those with identical function call syntax, or something. |
| 09:51.38 | Ralith | I can't see that working at all; I must be missing something |
| 09:52.12 | brlcad | not sure what syntax you're referring to that would be different.. there is no syntax to learn other than the commands themselves, which are mostly verb+noun or noun+verb |
| 09:52.36 | Ralith | not so in python, afaik |
| 09:52.39 | Ralith | that's much more C like. |
| 09:53.04 | Ralith | it's largely a coincidence that the popular shells that consist of most of your examples tend to offer similar command syntax. |
| 09:53.29 | Ralith | and even for them things like setting variables differ, although that may be outside of the scope you describe. |
| 09:53.38 | brlcad | it's really hard to explain given you've not used any of those application launchers :) |
| 09:53.47 | Ralith | these application launchers all use their own language. |
| 09:53.51 | Ralith | it's a very simple one, yes |
| 09:53.56 | Ralith | but it's still something you have to learn |
| 09:53.56 | brlcad | yes, there is no state, no variables, no scripting. just a "do this" |
| 09:54.05 | Ralith | so it's another language. |
| 09:54.18 | brlcad | not really |
| 09:54.32 | Ralith | and thus another barrier to optimal usability--although I suppose that's limited, since the actions would be replicated in the other two environments.. |
| 09:55.06 | Ralith | well, I imagine shell syntax for something is usually going to be very different from prompt syntax for it. |
| 09:55.17 | Ralith | just as the GUI way of doing something would be. |
| 09:56.01 | Ralith | it may be a very simple language, and even a very intuitive one, but it's still something clearly differentiated from a shell. |
| 09:56.34 | brlcad | back to the original example where a single gui action would translate to one or more 'gs commands', the on-demand prompt is basically a 1-1 to a gs command as well |
| 09:56.35 | Ralith | but I'm realising now that that's not such a disadvantage, given that its use is entirely optional. |
| 09:57.04 | Ralith | and that new users won't be depending on a GUI element they've never encountered before. |
| 09:57.38 | Ralith | you've still got to define the language, simple as it may be. |
| 09:57.52 | brlcad | I still don't get where you're getting language from |
| 09:58.01 | brlcad | there is no logic/syntax other than "command + args" |
| 09:58.10 | brlcad | there are no variables, no conditionals |
| 09:58.17 | brlcad | to logical constructs |
| 09:58.20 | brlcad | s/to/no/ |
| 09:58.26 | Ralith | okay. |
| 09:58.35 | Ralith | you've still got to define a set of these commands. |
| 09:58.40 | brlcad | "draw object" |
| 09:58.49 | Ralith | I guess that wouldn't be that much more work than binding a new scripting language at that point, though |
| 09:58.51 | brlcad | absolutely, that we're doing implicitly with libged |
| 09:58.57 | Ralith | huh? |
| 09:59.12 | brlcad | that defines a set of understood geometry editing commands in a "command+args" structure |
| 09:59.21 | Ralith | ah. |
| 09:59.34 | Ralith | and it'd be a simple matter to map literal commands onto that. |
| 09:59.49 | brlcad | example literal command? |
| 09:59.58 | Ralith | draw object |
| 10:00.07 | Ralith | (as opposed to the actual ged library call) |
| 10:01.04 | brlcad | that might be the missing link -- ged library calls are intentionally a collection of commands as functions |
| 10:01.20 | Ralith | which is why it's a simple matter. |
| 10:01.24 | brlcad | pretty every mged command now corresponds to a libged function |
| 10:01.28 | brlcad | a single function |
| 10:01.37 | brlcad | ged_[command]() |
| 10:02.32 | brlcad | so you say "draw object", that basically calls ged_draw(argc=2, argv={"draw", "object"}); |
| 10:02.41 | brlcad | plus a ged state structure |
| 10:03.07 | brlcad | so it knows in what context to invoke that command |
| 10:04.03 | brlcad | so we are defining commands, sets of commands, and arguments, but the intent is that those remain modular modeless actions |
| 10:04.29 | brlcad | a gui action may translate to 100 ged_*() commands through the geometry service |
| 10:05.20 | brlcad | the command terminal will allow scripting in an environment, provide variables and logical structures, and basically map commands directly to their ged_* counterparts |
| 10:05.38 | Ralith | or as closely as permitted by the shell. |
| 10:05.40 | brlcad | an on-demand command basically maps directly to one ged_* command |
| 10:06.01 | brlcad | example? |
| 10:07.04 | brlcad | all command shells I know of boil down (or can be boiled down) fundamentally to command+args |
| 10:08.11 | Ralith | well, python isn't a command shell in the traditional sense, for example |
| 10:09.14 | brlcad | especially all interactive prompts like bash/tclsh but even non-interactives like python/lisp/perl translate |
| 10:10.18 | Ralith | I mean, the syntax will differ between calling a python function and executing a bash command. |
| 10:11.16 | brlcad | oh yeah, syntax will definitely differ -- that "translation" is what I was referring to earlier about having to take efforts to hook in a new scripting interface |
| 10:13.24 | brlcad | for an object-based language like python, a really simple way to avoid most of the issues is to make a "ged object" that then becomes your object that takes "command+args" parameters |
| 10:14.00 | brlcad | at least one of several ways it could be handled |
| 10:14.56 | brlcad | there the difference is mostly noun+verb's instead of usual verb+noun's style you find elsewhere |
| 10:15.25 | brlcad | that's where something like swig should hopefully make life a little easier since we just define the functions/commands and then swig does the mappings to various languages for us |
| 10:15.39 | Ralith | yeah. |
| 10:18.37 | brlcad | i guess the original point about the on-demand command prompt, though, was simply that it would effectively be like the mged command prompt without the tcl scripting capability -- syntax is identical and basically becomes a way to run a single command very quickly (and transiently) |
| 10:19.16 | brlcad | not strictly necessary, more of a power-user function at that, but much less intrusive than a terminal (and generally *much* faster/efficient too) |
| 10:23.26 | Ralith | yeah, I follow |
| 10:23.26 | Ralith | makes sense now. |
| 10:23.50 | Ralith | It might be worth considering offering a similar functionality that pipes into the shell, too, though |
| 10:24.06 | Ralith | simply because it'd be handy to be able to access the shell interface from anywhere with a minimum of effort. |
| 10:24.19 | Ralith | or so I imagine |
| 10:24.23 | brlcad | I'd hope a hot-key that pops up the terminal? |
| 10:24.46 | brlcad | I'd like an on-demand *terminal* as well, one that you can hide/unhide, but that is always available |
| 10:25.10 | brlcad | ideally overlayed on the display |
| 10:25.17 | brlcad | like command overlays for most games |
| 10:27.08 | Ralith | that provides that pretty well, then. |
| 10:33.30 | Ralith | brlcad: submitting my first draft proposal now. |
| 10:33.35 | brlcad | cool |
| 10:34.36 | Ralith | I went on for a while about it, and made an effort to provide the relevant background, so I hope it isn't overly verbose. |
| 10:35.17 | Ralith | quite open to suggestions for changes. |
| 10:40.08 | Ralith | in fact, please do let me know if you have any input. |
| 10:41.13 | Ralith | tomorrow I'll see if I can write another one up for the de-TCLification of the std libs, but I think it's late enough tonight,. |
| 10:53.18 | brlcad | alright cool |
| 10:55.40 | Ralith | thanks for the discussion |
| 11:01.50 | brlcad | likewise |
| 11:02.32 | brlcad | good to get some of this stuff out of my head, and to bounce old/new ideas off of others |
| 11:03.10 | brlcad | I really need to upload all of the design and docs that have gone into things to date (along with a ton of other BRL-CAD things that would be cool to upload) |
| 11:07.01 | Ralith | like what? |
| 11:09.17 | brlcad | hard to categorize, it's a lot of stuff |
| 11:10.26 | brlcad | renderings/images, technical papers, design documents, tutorials, various data sets, geometry models, .. |
| 11:10.37 | Ralith | sounds neat |
| 11:10.52 | Ralith | any reason not to just throw it up somewhere and work it out from there? |
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| 11:18.12 | brlcad | yeah, some of it would be very misleading, some of it is not republishable as-is, some of it is almost entirely useless, it needs at least a pass through |
| 11:18.59 | brlcad | like in my gui research, there are dozens of shots and mockups of an LCARS interface (from star trek) |
| 11:19.24 | brlcad | was just for kicks many years ago while thinking through some ideas and wouldn't really be useful for anything |
| 11:19.39 | Ralith | ah, misleading would be a problem. |
| 11:19.43 | brlcad | more distraction and FUD factors of having too much junk |
| 11:19.55 | Ralith | makes sense |
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| 17:58.37 | brlcad | starseeker: coil command needs a manual page to be in src/shapes |
| 18:00.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34101 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: annotate the 7.14.4 release with emphasis on the gqa enhancements in mged and the new coil shape tool |
| 18:02.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34102 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: there is a coil tool now, but needs a manual page |
| 18:29.59 | starseeker | brlcad: ok |
| 18:31.13 | starseeker | brlcad: um. there's a coil.xml file that should be creating a coil man page |
| 18:35.23 | starseeker | um - is anyone else not able to svn co the brlcad tree? |
| 18:37.11 | madant | update working for me :) |
| 18:40.13 | starseeker | growl |
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| 19:30.43 | brlcad | starseeker: ah! okay |
| 19:31.15 | brlcad | just noticed all the .1's in src/shapes and it seemingly missing for that one |
| 19:31.26 | brlcad | side effect of having a separate doc dir |
| 19:32.39 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34103 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: coil has a manual page, just in doc/docbook give it's new-style |
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| 22:21.27 | brlcad | waves to pacman87, wb |
| 22:21.35 | starseeker | arrrrrrgh |
| 22:21.44 | starseeker | why can't I connect to the sf server?? |
| 22:21.55 | starseeker | upgraded to 1.6.0 even |
| 22:22.05 | pacman87 | waves back |
| 22:22.58 | brlcad | starseeker: sf doesn't like you |
| 22:23.38 | starseeker | apparently |
| 22:23.44 | starseeker | svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 22:23.48 | starseeker | svn: OPTIONS of 'https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk': could not connect to server (https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net) |
| 22:24.28 | brlcad | works here |
| 22:25.53 | starseeker | ok, it's some sort of general failure |
| 22:27.19 | starseeker | checks how subversion was built |
| 22:38.17 | ``Erik | hrm, issues connecting to bz, issues connecting to sf, ... hrmmmm |
| 22:39.14 | ``Erik | though I do vagually recall seeing 'OPTIONS' related errors connecting to an svn server being due to a proxy that doesn't pass the 4 or so extensions |
| 22:40.21 | brlcad | ah, good point -- starseeker, they changed some of the http/webdav negotiation in 1.6.0 .. supposedly to require much fewer connections and speed everything up |
| 22:40.30 | brlcad | might have introduced a bug for some network/sever configurations |
| 22:48.47 | starseeker | brlcad: more likely I did something to my system in that last upgrade |
| 22:51.41 | starseeker | grits his teeth and runs revdep-rebuild |
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| 23:17.17 | starseeker | oh, cute: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263497 |
| 23:20.32 | starseeker | now I get to upgrade the friggin kernel |
| 23:21.48 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:22.07 | brlcad | or downgrade glibc ;) |
| 23:22.39 | brlcad | i'm sure you could manually hack the build to make it work, it's just that socket() call getting a bad enum value |
| 23:22.51 | starseeker | oh, sure |
| 23:23.08 | starseeker | but if I'm going to start getting grief for running an old kernel, might as well update it now |
| 23:24.49 | brlcad | seems pretty obscure, specific to a networking code that is already using updated glibc interface with a specific socket option |
| 23:25.19 | starseeker | hopes we won't see this sort of grief if/when we use subversion in the geometry server |
| 23:25.56 | brlcad | curious, which enum(s) is 0x80001 ? |
| 23:26.18 | brlcad | (look in /usr/include/sys/socket.h) |
| 23:27.40 | brlcad | might be easier to look at svn's sources and find that select() call |
| 23:28.10 | brlcad | er, s/select/socket/ |
| 23:28.36 | ``Erik | hugs bsd for providing a unified cohesive system with some great release engineering :D |
| 23:29.49 | starseeker | don't see 0x80001 in that file |
| 23:29.57 | starseeker | opps |
| 23:30.03 | starseeker | has to vacuum now |
| 23:30.33 | ``Erik | I'd guess that's a combination of flags |
| 23:30.42 | ``Erik | or'd together |
| 23:33.36 | brlcad | looks like the neon library is actually the one to blame with the socket() call |
| 23:35.21 | brlcad | aha, found it |
| 23:35.28 | brlcad | they're using SOCK_CLOEXEC, new flag |
| 23:35.39 | brlcad | instead of just SOCK_STREAM |
| 23:39.14 | brlcad | ah, which is the high 0x80000 bit, so if it was just 0x1, it'd work just fine |
| 23:39.34 | brlcad | returns to coding, content |
| 23:40.23 | ``Erik | coding, not migrating machines? :D *duck* |
| 23:47.15 | brlcad | absolutely, this is a coding weekend |
| 23:47.24 | brlcad | planned |
| 00:08.16 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:08.38 | ``Erik | up's the new machine again |
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| 02:16.14 | starseeker | ah, there we go |
| 02:16.23 | starseeker | builds |
| 02:17.14 | brlcad | starseeker: in case you're interested, there is a gsoc mailing list if i didn't mention it before |
| 02:17.21 | brlcad | one specifically for mentors, the other for everyone |
| 02:17.45 | brlcad | you don't have to join, as I relay the important action-required info, but if you're interested |
| 02:19.08 | starseeker | brlcad: Ah, ok - thanks :-) |
| 02:19.13 | starseeker | pulls up gsoc page |
| 02:19.58 | brlcad | the one with everyone can get absurdly noisy as there are about 7000 members |
| 02:20.09 | brlcad | and even the mentor one from time to time (1000 or so members) |
| 02:20.45 | brlcad | but the mentor one is particularly insightful at times, as it's a buffet of open source devs talking about interesting matters |
| 02:21.11 | brlcad | wishes he could easily excavate the dirt between his two basements |
| 02:21.44 | starseeker | hire an army of moles ;-) |
| 02:22.56 | brlcad | I thought about that actually |
| 02:23.02 | brlcad | well not moles, but kids |
| 02:23.26 | brlcad | minimum wage manual labor ftw |
| 02:23.40 | kanzure | gah, trying to get gmsh compile with OCC support, it turns out OCC src is distributed with config.h in the wrong place |
| 02:25.16 | kanzure | brlcad: where is that mailing list? is this it? http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list |
| 02:26.16 | brlcad | yes |
| 02:27.11 | starseeker | puts in request to be added |
| 02:27.56 | kanzure | don't know how insightful it can be about open source development if even the archives are subscribers-only |
| 02:28.11 | brlcad | it's private with good reason |
| 02:28.30 | brlcad | mentors that are added are verified so that discussions can be private if they're about specific orgs or people |
| 02:30.18 | kanzure | I see. |
| 02:30.32 | kanzure | whaa |
| 02:30.33 | kanzure | http://geuz.org/pipermail/gmsh/2008/003110.html |
| 02:30.34 | brlcad | kanzure: mostly matters of how organizations are run, how they participate with their communities, some legal matter discussions, suggestions on how to improve a community, etc |
| 02:30.36 | kanzure | isn't that me? |
| 02:30.43 | kanzure | this is so disappointing |
| 02:30.54 | brlcad | it's not exactly relevant to the open source community at large either, specific to orgs and mentorship for the most part |
| 02:31.15 | brlcad | with a lot of prominent voices chiming in on what works and doesn't work for them |
| 02:32.05 | brlcad | kanzure: disappointing that you were trying again last year around this time? :) |
| 02:32.17 | kanzure | yes :( |
| 02:32.23 | brlcad | hehe |
| 02:32.53 | starseeker | hah - Battle for Wesnoth is a gsoc project |
| 02:33.11 | kanzure | I think what happens is that I do just enough work to exhaust myself on something only to wait just long enough to forget everything |
| 02:33.25 | kanzure | and then I discover some beautiful post a year later and it seems to have exactly nearly what I'm looking for |
| 02:33.29 | kanzure | and then I find out that it was me. |
| 02:34.05 | brlcad | starseeker: yep, their second year |
| 02:34.07 | brlcad | I pressed on them to apply last year, helped give advice on putting their org application together |
| 02:34.17 | starseeker | awesome :-) |
| 02:34.29 | brlcad | worked out nicely, they're a great group of folks |
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| 02:37.40 | kanzure | there was a Slashdot comment about this recently, something like "isn't it odd that when you search the slashdot archives you sometimes find that one insightful comment from a discussion from a few years ago and when you go to look who wrote it .. it was you?" |
| 02:37.40 | starseeker | hmm - panotools has a "3D extension" idea |
| 02:37.44 | kanzure | but I've lost it. |
| 02:37.45 | starseeker | wonder if they know how hard that is |
| 02:37.57 | starseeker | kanzure: yeah, saw that :-) |
| 02:38.18 | kanzure | <-- karma whore. |
| 03:02.12 | brlcad | ~kanzure++ |
| 03:30.43 | starseeker | grrrrrrr |
| 03:30.53 | starseeker | has had it with the auto_path annoyance and starts tracking |
| 03:41.24 | kanzure | huh, anyone know who pacman87 is? |
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| 03:42.57 | kanzure | hey pacman87 |
| 03:43.16 | brlcad | kanzure, of course |
| 03:43.28 | pacman87 | kanzure: hi |
| 03:43.32 | kanzure | he's probably living a block away from me |
| 03:43.45 | pacman87 | who, me? |
| 03:43.50 | kanzure | nods |
| 03:43.51 | kanzure | jester? |
| 03:43.56 | pacman87 | blanton |
| 03:44.00 | kanzure | castilian |
| 03:44.10 | pacman87 | ah |
| 03:44.24 | pacman87 | you're ME freshman? |
| 03:44.28 | kanzure | yes |
| 03:44.51 | pacman87 | what classes are you taking? |
| 03:44.58 | kanzure | nothing interesting |
| 03:45.11 | pacman87 | yeah, that was my first sem, too |
| 03:45.30 | pacman87 | then i took 18 hours second sem |
| 03:45.44 | kanzure | I did that backwards, but anyway |
| 03:45.53 | kanzure | didn't know that there was anyone working with brlcad on campus here |
| 03:46.06 | pacman87 | i was GSoC last year |
| 03:46.17 | brlcad | and a fantastic gsocer at that |
| 03:46.20 | pacman87 | :D |
| 03:46.22 | kanzure | hm |
| 03:46.24 | brlcad | awesome new primitives |
| 03:46.25 | kanzure | we should probably meet up some time. |
| 03:46.31 | pacman87 | added the hyp and started the rev |
| 03:46.39 | brlcad | almost finished rev |
| 03:46.43 | kanzure | maybe I'll show you the austin fab lab that I'm helping to throw together |
| 03:48.05 | starseeker | brlcad: Ah HA |
| 03:48.30 | starseeker | something, somewhere on my system, is setting ITCL_LIBRARY and ITK_LIBRARY |
| 03:48.36 | brlcad | "take on me" is a great ah-ha song |
| 03:48.49 | starseeker | looks like libtclcad is treating that as an explicit override |
| 03:48.56 | starseeker | heh |
| 03:48.57 | brlcad | that's a sure-fire way to screw up autopathing |
| 03:49.09 | pacman87 | anyone want to help me debug an "undefined reference" problem in a .so for something unrelated to brlcad? |
| 03:49.15 | brlcad | those are supposed to be explicit overrides |
| 03:49.21 | kanzure | sure, why not |
| 03:49.27 | brlcad | tcl_library, tk_library, itcl_library, itk_library |
| 03:49.30 | starseeker | shouldn't that be disabled if itcl/itk is specified as the internal copy? |
| 03:49.42 | brlcad | nope |
| 03:49.59 | brlcad | it's an environment var override -- the environment is wrong |
| 03:50.11 | kanzure | the environment is never wrong :) |
| 03:50.12 | kanzure | snickers |
| 03:50.14 | brlcad | like setting ld_library_path and expecting it to find the right libs |
| 03:50.22 | kanzure | starseeker: what are you working on? |
| 03:50.44 | pacman87 | i'm trying to compile the qt4 branch of moto4lin, and it uses p2kmoto (libp2kmoto.so) |
| 03:50.49 | starseeker | archer won't start on my system, because it's mixing the internal tcl/tk and system itcl/itk |
| 03:50.55 | brlcad | the entire point of the vars is so that regardless of what it was compiled for, I can at run-time make it use anything |
| 03:51.26 | pacman87 | moto4lin builds libp2kqt.so, which is trying to link to symbols defined in libp2kmoto.so |
| 03:52.39 | brlcad | starseeker: mixing internal tcl/tk with system itcl/itk 'can' work, but depends on the revisions, search paths, and init files it finds |
| 03:53.12 | brlcad | if it finds the 3.2 itcl init files first, it won't load a 3.4 install |
| 03:53.58 | pacman87 | "nm /usr/local/lib/libp2kmoto.so" shows the symbols are defined, but "nm libp2kqt.so" says they're undefined |
| 03:54.11 | pacman87 | and i don't know how to fix it |
| 03:56.53 | brlcad | pacman87: er, if it's a partially resolved lib, just means you have to provide both libs on the linker line (in order) |
| 03:57.31 | pacman87 | and the linker line would be in the Makefile? |
| 03:57.49 | brlcad | depends how they do their build, but yeah usually |
| 03:58.07 | brlcad | can always link by hand if need be too |
| 03:59.19 | pacman87 | how would i do that? |
| 04:05.06 | brlcad | well paste a log of it failing |
| 04:05.08 | starseeker | well, that's closer |
| 04:05.18 | brlcad | that should show you the compile/linker line |
| 04:05.21 | starseeker | looks like maybe iwidgets is messing up again... |
| 04:05.37 | brlcad | really? haven't seen iwidgets be a problem in years |
| 04:05.46 | brlcad | there is an iwidgets override too iirc |
| 04:05.58 | pacman87 | brlcad: i think i fixed it |
| 04:06.13 | pacman87 | i uncommented two lines in the CMakeLists.txt file relating to p2kmoto |
| 04:06.39 | brlcad | :)_ |
| 04:06.58 | pacman87 | ouch, segfault |
| 04:07.00 | starseeker | hang on, here's the log: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d3e0053b5 |
| 04:10.52 | starseeker | well, setting IWIDGETS_LIBRARY didn't fix it |
| 04:11.35 | brlcad | starseeker: looks like you're getting a system iwidgets |
| 04:11.45 | brlcad | bob has a modification on exactly that line it's failing on |
| 04:11.52 | starseeker | yeah, not surprsied |
| 04:12.03 | starseeker | is looking to figure out how to point it to local version |
| 04:12.06 | pacman87 | it probably doesn't help that moto4lin hasn't been touched in 14 months |
| 04:12.36 | starseeker | gentoo must be cluttering up the environment with a bunch of explicit setting of flags or something |
| 04:12.43 | starseeker | s/flags/paths |
| 04:12.45 | brlcad | starseeker: it's tcl, you can update the system iwidgets file directly too |
| 04:12.52 | brlcad | see if that at least fixes it |
| 04:12.54 | starseeker | true |
| 04:13.08 | brlcad | diff your system panedwindow.itk to the one in src/other/iwidgets |
| 04:13.21 | brlcad | er, src/other/iwidgets/generic/panedwindow.itk |
| 04:13.37 | brlcad | should be at least three lines, two commented out with "Bob Modification" |
| 04:14.12 | brlcad | looks like it's a bug in iwidgets that he fixed |
| 04:14.28 | starseeker | yep, see it |
| 04:15.33 | brlcad | it uses _ret without sanity checking it first, the for loop might be empty if there are no active panes |
| 04:15.46 | starseeker | yeah, that did it |
| 04:15.46 | brlcad | resulting in the error trace you saw |
| 04:16.51 | brlcad | bets ArcherCore.tcl could just wrap that line in a try/catch and it'd also prevent the failure |
| 04:17.19 | brlcad | that'd be good to try, cause if it worked, then it'd work with vanially iwidgets |
| 04:17.39 | starseeker | I think I saw three separate modifications to that file though |
| 04:17.48 | starseeker | any chance of upstream incorporating it? |
| 04:19.22 | brlcad | try that |
| 04:19.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34104 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: try catching the error in case we're using a system iwidgets that doesn't have bob's patch for referencing the unitialized _ret var in panedwindow |
| 04:19.36 | brlcad | i'm sure upstream would |
| 04:19.45 | brlcad | that is the that I was referring to, btw |
| 04:20.17 | starseeker | er, sept 2002 last iwidgets release - nevermind |
| 04:20.29 | brlcad | it's considered "done" iirc |
| 04:20.36 | starseeker | winces |
| 04:20.43 | starseeker | we're the only ones who hit that bug? |
| 04:21.50 | starseeker | ah |
| 04:22.05 | starseeker | so if it fails it can be safely ignored? |
| 04:22.14 | starseeker | that's handy |
| 04:23.49 | brlcad | if it fails, there are no active panes yet, so nothing needs to happen |
| 04:24.03 | brlcad | "should" work.. but give it a try |
| 04:24.15 | brlcad | might be more places it needs catched |
| 04:27.14 | brlcad | waits to hear the result... |
| 04:33.20 | starseeker | heh - sorry, had stuff to take care of - one sec... |
| 04:34.59 | starseeker | yep, looks like that got it |
| 04:35.03 | starseeker | nice :-) |
| 04:37.28 | brlcad | the iwidgets dev still responds to patches, so would probably be worthwhile to clean up and upload a diff |
| 04:38.28 | starseeker | rebuilds with ogl enabled to properly test archer |
| 04:40.23 | starseeker | brlcad: IIRC, we disabled ogl because it was crashing on some platforms? |
| 04:40.38 | starseeker | plus the slow updating with rt? |
| 04:40.55 | brlcad | more "bad behavior" than crashing |
| 04:41.02 | starseeker | ah |
| 04:42.16 | starseeker | well, I've never debugged ogl but there's always a first time... |
| 04:45.02 | brlcad | slow remote fb updates |
| 04:45.20 | starseeker | I thought that was for everything? |
| 04:45.31 | starseeker | recalls poking at libpkg but not seeing anything conclusive |
| 04:45.40 | starseeker | was that ogl specific? |
| 04:46.21 | brlcad | I don't recall, but it was at least remotefb->oglfb with specific sizes being much worse than others |
| 04:46.54 | brlcad | and iirc, wasn't in the libpkg layer, think that came up clean |
| 04:47.13 | starseeker | seemed to be |
| 04:49.45 | brlcad | was directly in the fbserv or sending side |
| 04:50.04 | brlcad | not crossing the wire |
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| 05:44.25 | Ralith | ogl was crashing on freebsd w/ nvidia drivers, at least for a while |
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| 07:33.18 | Ralith | brlcad: is the content portion of a GSoC application publicly visible? |
| 07:34.27 | brlcad | Ralith: only if the student(s) post their application to the wiki or elsewhere beforehand |
| 07:34.40 | brlcad | the content becomes visible after students are selected |
| 07:35.24 | Ralith | huh. The tooltips suggest that only the abstract is ever published like that. |
| 07:47.49 | brlcad | ah, that may be |
| 07:48.18 | brlcad | yeah, was just abstrcat in previous years |
| 07:48.31 | brlcad | there's a small window to tweak those before they go live usually too |
| 07:53.55 | Ralith | so the content *isn't* ever public? |
| 07:54.03 | Ralith | at least in the past? |
| 07:54.42 | Ralith | de-TCLification application submitted. |
| 07:58.17 | Ralith | brb |
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| 08:02.27 | Ralith | looking forward to any/all feedback. |
| 08:04.45 | madant | Ralith: I think google's concern is with privacy issues and all :D |
| 08:05.32 | Ralith | madant: well, I don't think I have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the legal sense for that sort of thing. |
| 08:06.20 | madant | :) |
| 08:06.58 | madant | apparently some people are :D like when we started an introduction thread in the group and some people had a problem with that too :D |
| 08:07.12 | Ralith | O.o |
| 08:07.19 | Ralith | people are weird. |
| 08:07.31 | Ralith | not that a soc app is the worst of things a future employer might find upon googling. |
| 08:07.42 | madant | hahaha :D |
| 08:08.21 | Ralith | "But I don't want the internet to know I'm ga^H^Han amateur engineer!" |
| 08:08.25 | madant | I think the best approach as brlcad mentioned is to post the application at appspot and then reflect the same on the wiki and even better on the mailing list.. :) i will be doing that today :) |
| 08:08.41 | Ralith | what's this now? |
| 08:09.04 | Ralith | applicants are expected to mirror their applications on the mailing list and the wiki? |
| 08:09.25 | madant | not as a compulsion or anything :) |
| 08:10.26 | madant | the only technical necessity is the appspot application :) |
| 08:11.08 | Ralith | well, sure, but you're not *technically* expected to make contributions to establish your ability to read and write useful code. |
| 08:11.33 | Ralith | I just didn't see any mention of an expectation to repost your application anywhere on the wiki instructions |
| 08:11.51 | Ralith | brlcad: can you clarify? |
| 08:13.58 | brlcad | Ralith: great (regarding the detcl), should have feedback sometime tomorrow hopefully |
| 08:14.19 | brlcad | or you can keep pinging any of the mentors here too ;) |
| 08:14.23 | madant | Ralith: did you read the "Applications, wiki, and early submission" mail from brlcad :) .. ah he is here :D |
| 08:14.52 | Ralith | brlcad: heh |
| 08:15.07 | Ralith | madant: I only just recently got on the ML, and I don't usually keep a close eye on my email; let me load up thunderbird. |
| 08:15.31 | Ralith | is very much an IRC person. |
| 08:16.10 | madant | http://www.nabble.com/Applications%2C-wiki%2C-and-early-submission-td22731057.html |
| 08:16.11 | brlcad | and that's right -- there's no "requirement" to cross-post to the wiki -- just some folks like to do that to share their application with others or to get discussion/feedback before it goes into the socghop interface |
| 08:16.15 | Ralith | oh, crap, forgot to confirm my subscription. |
| 08:16.25 | Ralith | madant: thanks |
| 08:16.36 | Ralith | brlcad: ah, so no point to once it's on google? |
| 08:17.08 | Ralith | thought the wiki bit was odd because those concerned would be able to see it on google already, and that would explain it. |
| 08:17.41 | brlcad | Ralith: no -- the same point could still hold, sharing the details of your application with the community at large |
| 08:18.02 | Ralith | hm, that reminds me, I should probably grab a wiki account. |
| 08:18.12 | Ralith | ooh, recaptcha! |
| 08:18.14 | Ralith | kudos! |
| 08:18.34 | madant | :) i love it too :D |
| 08:19.07 | Ralith | oh, looks like I already registered and forgot. |
| 08:19.09 | brlcad | there's no real "secret" to an application imho, some orgs require them to be hashed out publicly before they go into the app interface even |
| 08:20.53 | brlcad | example, http://my.bzflag.org/w/User:IneQuation.pl |
| 08:21.28 | brlcad | or http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Nightstrike&oldid=5617 |
| 08:22.08 | brlcad | or http://my.bzflag.org/w/User:Will07c5 .. where we could quickly tell the student that his priorities were almot all wrong originally and woefully lacking in detail |
| 08:28.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1314 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Page created w/ GSoC applications |
| 08:28.53 | Ralith | CIA is neat. |
| 08:29.15 | Ralith | are the bots open source? |
| 08:29.22 | Ralith | i.e. would it be easy to host one independent of the service? |
| 08:29.58 | brlcad | yeah, the whole system can be retrieved and run independently |
| 08:30.17 | brlcad | it's a pretty complex system though |
| 08:30.45 | Ralith | neat! |
| 08:30.56 | Ralith | it's the ability to do so that matters, really |
| 08:31.07 | brlcad | the bots themselves are pretty simple -- they just say what they're told to say |
| 08:31.14 | Ralith | although I can't help but think that it might not be hard to make a lightweight version that just attached to a single repo and/or set of RSS feeds |
| 08:31.46 | brlcad | if that's all you want, there are probably easier means (like libIRC or an existing bot like supybot or blootbot) |
| 08:32.03 | Ralith | I thought that was the major selling point? |
| 08:33.05 | brlcad | selling point of what? |
| 08:33.54 | brlcad | cia's focus is more around commit data, which isn't caputureed well with rss fields and suffers other drawbacks |
| 08:34.24 | brlcad | there are bots (supy for example) that will poll an rss feed and announce changes |
| 08:34.35 | brlcad | tend to be rather flakey |
| 08:35.38 | Ralith | I mean, I thought the main point of CIA was to offer a commit announce bot. |
| 08:36.02 | Ralith | you could implement a bot by more reliable means than RSS feeds, e.g. post-commit hooks; I just mentioned RSS feeds cuz they're nice and generic. |
| 08:36.03 | brlcad | yeah, one of the main original points |
| 08:36.32 | brlcad | cia uses / prefers post-commit hooks |
| 08:36.52 | brlcad | or it'll take e-mail notifications |
| 08:37.03 | brlcad | or it'll take xml rpc updates |
| 08:37.12 | brlcad | or it can poll for updates |
| 08:38.35 | Ralith | right |
| 08:38.42 | Ralith | but it seems a little odd to use a centralized service for that |
| 08:38.48 | Ralith | rather than instantiate something lightweight for each project |
| 08:39.19 | brlcad | the complexity in the system is that it's geared with performance and scalability in mind, also keeps track of daily commit histories, automatically presents the data through a load-balanced web site, and a little bit more |
| 08:39.52 | brlcad | mostly because it's so easy to set up and someone else maintains it |
| 08:40.42 | brlcad | you just drop in a commit notifier, and that's it .. everything else including running bots, the web site, the project listing on the site, all happening automatically |
| 08:41.47 | brlcad | kinda like how ibot is in about 100 channels .. even though there are dozens of irc factoid bots out there that projects could/do use by themselves |
| 08:42.27 | brlcad | someone else manages and maintains it, and I don't have to care |
| 08:44.11 | archivist | I run a multi channel bot, can be fun |
| 08:44.55 | Ralith | good point. |
| 08:45.10 | Ralith | that makes a lot of sense |
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| 11:10.22 | d-lo | *readreadread* |
| 11:10.36 | d-lo | mernin all |
| 11:10.52 | madant_ | mernin d-lo :) |
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| 12:16.12 | starseeker | hmm. built with enable-profiling, but don't see any a.out files from rt |
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| 12:28.45 | ``Erik | hm, what is the bots webpage url? |
| 12:29.08 | ``Erik | d-lo: you missed the big jg crash in e79! |
| 12:31.58 | d-lo | I know. |
| 12:32.21 | d-lo | Care level is pretty low. Good weather (minus the tornado :/) this weekend. hard to stay indoors :) |
| 12:33.11 | ``Erik | it was sloppy and slow, there were plenty of long breaks of activity :) |
| 12:33.40 | ``Erik | breaks from activity, rather |
| 12:34.04 | ``Erik | yesterdays hail almost makes me happy my car is in the shop and not infront of the house heh |
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| 12:35.56 | d-lo | heh, thats kinda funny. We didn't get hail up at our place. just a nice view of the 'nado to the NW of us and a spit of rain. |
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| 13:21.41 | starseeker | uh... tornado? |
| 13:21.47 | starseeker | pics? |
| 13:24.28 | d-lo | Heh, didn't snap any. I looked out the window to see some nasty looking storm clouds. Flipped on the TV only to see News channel 8 basicly saying "OMGOMGOMGOMGTORNADO". Looked out the window again and saw what looked like a 'funnel', but mostly obscured by neighboring houses. |
| 13:24.41 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 13:24.53 | d-lo | Power went out abou then, and I called the ball and got the family into the basement. |
| 13:25.05 | starseeker | indeed |
| 13:25.46 | d-lo | Nothing bad happened, infact, the rain was quite pathetic. no cool air-raid sirens from the local VFDs... no awesome 2" hail... just about 5 minutes of torrential downpour. |
| 13:25.51 | d-lo | then... all over. |
| 13:26.00 | d-lo | su was out 30 mins later :/ |
| 13:26.04 | d-lo | su= sun |
| 13:26.24 | starseeker | phew |
| 13:27.20 | d-lo | yeah, I guess I should be more thankful than disappointed :) |
| 13:28.19 | starseeker | unless you REALLY don't like your current roof/home siding |
| 13:31.39 | d-lo | I just wanted to see a car get thrown like a toy tonka truck.... its on my Bucket list. |
| 13:38.28 | starseeker | ah |
| 13:38.43 | starseeker | well, you could take up storm chasing as a hobby ;-) |
| 13:38.51 | starseeker | doubt the insurance guys would go for it though |
| 13:41.00 | d-lo | Well, if i ever become independantly wealthy, a widower and without children.... then storm chasing might be fun :) |
| 14:31.12 | starseeker | realizes he needs to bring set theory/Venn diagram logic into the point question |
| 14:31.39 | starseeker | wonder if ASCII has set notation characters |
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| 14:53.31 | mafm_ | hi |
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| 15:33.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34105 10/brlcad/trunk/src/external/Cubit/ (Makefile.am g-sat.cpp g-sat.cxx): Rename g-sat.cxx to g-sat.cpp to be consistent with the other C++ sources in the 'brlcad' module. |
| 15:43.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34106 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (bezier_2d_isect.c comb.c cut.c db5_bin.c db5_types.c): apparently don't need to include nmg.h, not using nmg routines/structures. |
| 15:47.11 | madant | brlcad never sleeps :P |
| 15:48.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34107 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: reverting a very old decision. separate the nmg routines from librt into their own library. |
| 15:51.15 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34108 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: downgrade expected list of items for next release until later save for a few relatively simple ones |
| 15:51.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34109 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: bob made the inside command work on edit primitives (this was on-schedule, just hadn't been moved up for current release) |
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| 15:59.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34110 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/ (Makefile.am g_diff/ g_lint/ g_transfer/): start of stubs for the rest of the gtools |
| 16:02.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34111 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/ (7 files in 4 dirs): step closer on gtools stub using g_qa.vcproj as forked base |
| 16:04.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34112 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/ (3 files in 3 dirs): last step, update content to compile the right source files. probably still need minor source file changes to compile on windows. |
| 16:06.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34113 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/brlcad/brlcad.sln: can't imagine the uuid's are right, but this will hook the three new gtools into the windows build -- g_diff, g_lint, and g_transfer. |
| 16:11.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34114 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/ (4 files in 4 dirs): update the deps. only g_qa needs libged, g_transfer needs libpkg and winsock |
| 16:12.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34115 10/brlcad/trunk/src/gtools/g_diff.c: g_diff doesn't use ged |
| 16:34.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34116 10/brlcad/trunk/src/gtools/ (g_diff.c g_lint.c g_qa.c g_transfer.c): ws, style consistency cleanup |
| 16:35.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34117 10/brlcad/trunk/src/gtools/g_diff.c: ugh, libged atrociously still has wdb_obj and friends (e.g., wdb_create_cmd) so DO have to include ged.h here. suckage. |
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| 16:37.31 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34118 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/g_diff/g_diff.vcproj: g_diff does use libged for the blasted wdb_obj funcs like wdb_create_cmd, wdb_get_tcl, and wdb_init_obj. |
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| 16:43.38 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34119 10/brlcad/trunk/ (TODO include/ged.h): annotate the fixme items that the wdb and view objects in libged still need to be refactored/renamed |
| 16:46.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34120 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: might not 'compile', but g_lint is hooked into the windows build now so remove the todo until we know there's a problem. |
| 16:57.22 | brlcad | Ralith: interesting thread on /. about firefox's planned taskbar -- that's very similar to what we were discussing the other day |
| 16:57.26 | brlcad | http://people.mozilla.com/~faaborg/files/labs/taskFoxi1.png |
| 16:58.37 | brlcad | (particularly idea2 if you want to get specific on overlay integration and look n' feel) |
| 16:59.04 | brlcad | except for the silly ellipses around the action/verbs |
| 17:24.17 | brlcad | things are looking really well for those that have already put an application in.. submission counts are quite low this year thusfar |
| 17:24.39 | brlcad | much better chances that previous years .. wonder how much of a "get it in at the last minute" rush there will be |
| 17:24.48 | madant | :) |
| 17:25.09 | madant | i expected a lot more discussion on the irc myself |
| 17:25.26 | brlcad | every year seems to be a different twist |
| 17:25.33 | madant | will submit in an hour :) |
| 17:25.35 | mafm | maybe they extend the period for 1 month this year :P |
| 17:25.44 | brlcad | mafm: unlikely |
| 17:25.48 | madant | mafm lol |
| 17:26.14 | brlcad | i mean, maybe .. but last year the week or so extension didn't really do much but add some last minute desperation submissions that were pretty bad |
| 17:26.33 | brlcad | got the count up, but none that made it |
| 17:26.57 | madant | and besides i wonder if google is really concerned about increasing the total number of applications this year :) |
| 17:27.04 | brlcad | this year, there just hasn't been nearly as much advertising (by google, didn't get the /. headline, etc) |
| 17:27.17 | brlcad | yeah, I'm not worried |
| 17:27.27 | brlcad | I mean, we're only asking for 3 or 4 slots |
| 17:27.31 | mafm | Debian also talks about less and less applicants |
| 17:27.42 | mafm | anybody taking the GUI one? |
| 17:27.47 | brlcad | so we only need 3 or 4 good applications, and we already have at least two that I'd be happy with :) |
| 17:28.50 | brlcad | mafm: actually, there is a good application in application in to continue what you started |
| 17:29.23 | d-lo | whoa.... deja-vu |
| 17:29.37 | brlcad | s/a good application/an/ :) |
| 17:29.40 | d-lo | needs to know if it was *the same* black cat..... |
| 17:30.01 | d-lo | ;) |
| 17:30.05 | brlcad | not enough samples to qualify it as good or bad yet :) |
| 17:30.44 | madant | can't figure out the word limit for the proposal |
| 17:31.00 | mafm | 7500 last year, IIRC |
| 17:31.07 | mafm | erm, characters |
| 17:31.13 | madant | haha :D |
| 17:31.50 | mafm | brlcad: one of the two that you're happy with? from whom? |
| 17:32.00 | madant | wonders whether writing or reading is tougher |
| 17:32.38 | brlcad | mafm: why applicants of course |
| 17:33.37 | madant | brlcad: :D |
| 17:33.48 | mafm | I mean the nickname, so I'll talk to him/her if I see $1 |
| 17:34.15 | brlcad | no point in calling people out, hang around and you'd find out ;) |
| 17:34.53 | brlcad | i know what you meant, just not going to get into who has submitted what apps unless they reveal it themselves just for sake of discretion until selections are made |
| 17:34.54 | madant | :) besides it is not fair to announce names before the final list is out |
| 17:35.35 | mafm | it was just curiosity, no list is definitive until all applications are in, anyway |
| 17:35.42 | brlcad | also what's cool about putting your proposals on the wiki -- so other students can see what they're up against and can improve each other's work or submit for other areas |
| 17:36.39 | mafm | I didn't found the new ones in the wiki, where are they linked? |
| 17:36.44 | brlcad | thinks everyone should submit for (exactly) two ideas regardless just so desirable individuals aren't left out because of a competitive submission topic |
| 17:37.06 | mafm | (that's why I came to the channel, to ask directly :) ) |
| 17:37.09 | brlcad | like the web geometry database last year.. geez. There was more than a half dozen submissions for it |
| 17:37.25 | brlcad | you can check the recent changes |
| 17:37.25 | madant | and none got selected :O |
| 17:37.30 | brlcad | yep |
| 17:37.34 | brlcad | actually one did |
| 17:37.47 | brlcad | but she was lost to a coin toss with another org that conflicted |
| 17:38.09 | brlcad | so one of you four last year got lucky :) |
| 17:38.17 | madant | ah nice :) |
| 17:39.23 | brlcad | and yes, there was an actual coin toss by leslie since we both wanted her with pretty equal justifications and the student wanted to work with both equally |
| 17:39.40 | mafm | I had already done that, but only saw something new for libpc (aside from older devels) in the last few days |
| 17:39.45 | mafm | gonna dig further |
| 17:39.50 | madant | brlcad: wow talk about coins and destiny :P |
| 17:40.24 | brlcad | mafm: does it matter? shouldn't you be working on your proposals? :) |
| 17:40.32 | brlcad | or do you intend to mentor? |
| 17:40.35 | brlcad | or just watch? :) |
| 17:40.47 | brlcad | (all three are options, of course) |
| 17:41.23 | brlcad | madant: yeah, i'm pretty happy with last year's results though |
| 17:41.43 | brlcad | wished more progress could be made, of course, but that can almost always be said ;) |
| 17:41.47 | madant | mafm: http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Ralith read this ? |
| 17:42.37 | mafm | madant: reading it right now |
| 17:42.56 | madant | brlcad: :D lets hope this year is much more productive.. I feel like we have a bunch of very interesting people.. i mean the ones who came on the channel at least |
| 17:42.57 | mafm | brlcad: I don't think that I'm eligible, and besides that I don't think that I would apply this year |
| 17:43.11 | mafm | just checking the proposals for curiosity |
| 17:43.34 | mafm | and to maybe help people in that part, even if not officially a mentor |
| 17:43.47 | mafm | but if it's ralith, he's already an insider :) |
| 17:43.52 | brlcad | mafm: btw, I believe I am about ready to make an executive decision regarding the gui |
| 17:44.07 | brlcad | mafm: ah right, understand |
| 17:44.12 | brlcad | then you should mentor! |
| 17:45.13 | brlcad | ralith IS an insider .. but also just getting started with coding on BRL-CAD, getting new devs up and coding is always good even if they've been in the channel for years :) |
| 17:45.27 | brlcad | mafm: even as a backup mentor, you'll at least get a t-shirt |
| 17:45.30 | madant | Mentor Manuel Montecelo :) |
| 17:45.31 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:46.26 | mafm | well, it depends on the obligations |
| 17:47.22 | mafm | my father died a few days ago and I have tonnes of things to do, delayed and new ones due to this "ocurrence" |
| 17:47.59 | mafm | what's the executive decision about the gui, using another toolkit (reading proposal right now)? |
| 17:49.26 | madant | mafm: really sorry to hear that. I know irc doesnt offer a good channel to convey what one feels very clearly .. nyways.. hope he had a great time |
| 17:49.45 | mafm | thanks |
| 17:49.57 | mafm | he did, most of the time |
| 17:50.28 | madant | today was the death anniversary of my grandmom. went to the cemetery, church etc :) |
| 17:50.33 | mafm | he was kind of a Big Fish kind of person, not so exaggerated, but well |
| 17:51.33 | madant | mafm: hehe :) my dad is a Big Fish kind of person too :D |
| 17:52.16 | mafm | he died of cancer with multiple "branches", I think that the Big Fish character also did |
| 17:52.48 | mafm | so the last months were not very pleasant :( |
| 17:52.56 | madant | hmm. can imagine |
| 17:53.57 | madant | brlcad: should i first post my assesment of the current status of libpc plus my plan first to the group / wiki and then submit to appspot like after 2 days probably ? |
| 17:54.11 | mafm | but well, he did not suffer so much as it was expected etc, so at least it's something |
| 17:54.42 | madant | mafm: when was this ? |
| 17:54.59 | mafm | died? less than 2 weeks ago |
| 17:55.31 | madant | ok .. what are ur plans now that school is over ? |
| 17:55.42 | mafm | madant: you were from india, right? when you talk about church, which one? |
| 17:55.55 | madant | well I am a roman catholic :) |
| 17:56.16 | madant | has ancestors who were baptised by St. Thomas around 2000 years ago apparently :D |
| 17:56.41 | madant | is definitely not very religious though :P |
| 17:56.58 | mafm | are you from Goa or some region with more european culture, or doesn't have anything to do? |
| 17:57.16 | madant | mafm: nope 100 % Indian :P |
| 17:57.42 | mafm | I'm not officially out of school, the final project to get the degree was to be presented in 20th of march, but it couldn't be... so I still have to finish some bits and present it |
| 17:58.49 | mafm | that's why I don't know exactly whether I would be eligible for gsoc :) |
| 17:59.29 | madant | ah.. u could ask Leslie you know.. at the channel ? |
| 18:00.10 | mafm | IIRC Goa even had candidates for the Pope "elections", and never went there but several friends did |
| 18:00.30 | mafm | well, I don't know whether I'd like to apply to something |
| 18:00.54 | mafm | my first option would be to continue the GUI project, but well :D |
| 18:01.39 | mafm | and after many years without holidays, it doesn't look a very attractive prospect (even if gsoc is) |
| 18:01.49 | mafm | summer holidays, that is |
| 18:02.35 | madant | :) |
| 18:03.37 | mafm | btw, I was supposed to be roman catholic too, but I only believed as a child |
| 18:03.44 | brlcad | mafm: really sorry to hear about your father, I can only imagine the suffering and pain but hope you're well |
| 18:04.34 | brlcad | madant: sure, that'd work |
| 18:04.37 | mafm | besides, nobody expects the spanish inquisition, with "almost-fanatical devotion to the pope" chief weapon, etc :P |
| 18:04.59 | madant | mafm: me too :) I was even an altar boy. |
| 18:05.20 | mafm | brlcad: thanks too :) |
| 18:05.49 | madant | goes to church on sundays so that his mom doesn't feel "All is lost" :D |
| 18:06.42 | mafm | I'm more or less OK, the worse part was the initial shock, and to pretend that everything was alright (so neither him or other people in the family knew the truth) |
| 18:07.50 | mafm | I stopped going to the church at around 15 I think, and now that my father died the priest wanted me to repent and come back to the shepherd :P |
| 18:08.05 | madant | :) |
| 18:08.25 | mafm | brlcad: so the dramatic change was about Qt? |
| 18:08.41 | brlcad | hm? |
| 18:08.43 | brlcad | dramatic change? |
| 18:10.10 | mafm | brlcad: well, whatever the executive decision would be :) |
| 18:11.31 | hippieindamakin8 | hey ppl |
| 18:11.39 | mafm | hi hippieindamakin8 |
| 18:11.57 | hippieindamakin8 | hey mafm ! so are u mentoring this year ? |
| 18:12.46 | mafm | dunno yet |
| 18:13.38 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, you are from goa or kerala ? |
| 18:13.56 | mafm | I wasn't involved in development after gsoc except for a bit towards the end of last year, IIRC |
| 18:15.24 | madant | hippieindamakin8: kerala :) |
| 18:16.23 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, i just googled you and ur current location is thrissur apparently :) |
| 18:19.59 | madant | wow :) |
| 18:20.10 | madant | well it is around 40 kilometer off |
| 18:20.33 | madant | fears google |
| 18:20.38 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, cant expect more from google maps :). |
| 18:20.56 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, that must be an awesome picturesque country side then |
| 18:21.26 | d-lo | if you do a traceroute to www.google.com, you will see that the primary DNS server is www.sky.net ;) |
| 18:22.44 | mafm | madant: you're in for another edition with a new proposal for libpc? |
| 18:23.05 | madant | yep :) |
| 18:23.25 | madant | god's own country :) |
| 18:23.36 | madant | or countryside as the case maybe :P |
| 18:24.30 | mafm | well, good luck then :) |
| 18:24.41 | madant | mafm: yes, would love to make some progress :) |
| 18:25.38 | madant | mafm: thank you :) , i do need a lot of luck to stay on track :) |
| 18:28.59 | mafm | madant: what are you doing at school, degree, master...? |
| 18:29.55 | madant | mafm: masters |
| 18:30.17 | madant | mafm: you planning on a masters after ur thesis ? |
| 18:30.18 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, where ? |
| 18:31.40 | starseeker | is starting to wonder if he'll need the constraint system to resolve this. erk |
| 18:31.41 | madant | hippieindamakin8: i have two options :) 1 is IISc , 2 IIMB |
| 18:32.04 | madant | starseeker: :) resolve what ? |
| 18:32.05 | mafm | madant: not sure yet, I don't like much the opportunities in the univs around, and I cannot easily move elsewhere in the next months |
| 18:32.40 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, in architechture ? or smthing else like cs ? |
| 18:32.56 | hippieindamakin8 | i.e at IISC |
| 18:33.03 | madant | IISc : Sustainability IIMB : MBA :) |
| 18:33.14 | starseeker | madant: looking at comparing two points with error bounds, deciding if they are similar or not. In isolation that's pretty simple, but if there are three or more points "in range" look out |
| 18:33.26 | starseeker | er s/similar/the same/ |
| 18:33.58 | madant | starseeker: did u see the discussion on checking the collinearity of three points using the determinant ? |
| 18:34.36 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, wat is this discussion abt ? |
| 18:34.50 | madant | wonders whether that would be any use here though |
| 18:35.21 | madant | it was an excerpt from Beautiful Code book |
| 18:35.30 | starseeker | madant: that might help when it comes time to look at implementation techniques, but first I need a decision methodology |
| 18:36.19 | madant | starseeker: can you point me to the problem ? as in any doc /code ? i remember seeing u and sean talking about it but didn't pay attention |
| 18:36.32 | starseeker | i.e. given 3,4,...,n points with overlapping error bounds, how do I decide which ones should be regarded as being the same point and which should be treated as different? |
| 18:36.51 | starseeker | there are a few notes in doc/TODO.BREP |
| 18:37.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03117.196.142.56 07http://brlcad.org * r1315 10/wiki/User:Homovulgaris: Proposal Draft Added |
| 18:38.05 | madant | starseeker: error bounds? |
| 18:38.53 | starseeker | BRL-CAD has a tolerance on dimensions - anything smaller than that tolerance can be ignored when, for example, doing overlap checks |
| 18:39.24 | starseeker | so any point has a value (x,y,z) |
| 18:39.51 | starseeker | x has a tolerance or error bound of delta_x |
| 18:39.56 | starseeker | same for y and z |
| 18:40.16 | starseeker | x, y, and z themselves are presumably stored as floating point numbers |
| 18:41.27 | madant | ok.. so different points would be points which are further apart than sqrt(delta_x^2+delta_y^2+delta_z^2) |
| 18:41.29 | starseeker | so given two points (x1,y1,z1) and (x2,y2,z2), if their delta ranges overlap they might need to be treated as being the "same" point |
| 18:42.14 | starseeker | madant: maybe, but I'm not sure if the error bound is spherical or cubic in x,y,z space |
| 18:42.36 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, it is cubic in space |
| 18:42.47 | starseeker | that's been my assumption |
| 18:42.55 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, and it depends on the extent of overlap isnt it ? |
| 18:43.25 | starseeker | hippieindamakin8: it might. these are the issues I'm trying to work through now |
| 18:43.35 | madant | hmm.. in effec the check is whether (x1-delta_x1,x1+delta_x1) and (x2-delta_x2,x2+delta_x2) intervals overlap right ? |
| 18:43.41 | starseeker | right |
| 18:43.43 | madant | and similarly for other coordinates |
| 18:44.11 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, cubic if error is the worst case |
| 18:44.29 | starseeker | but if one point overlaps with two other points and those two other points don't overlap, it makes no sense to treat both of those points as being the same as the original point |
| 18:44.37 | hippieindamakin8 | *if error is taken in the worst case |
| 18:44.52 | madant | hmm.. so if there are n coordinates you the worst case is checking all the C(n,2) combinations right ? |
| 18:44.59 | starseeker | A may equal B, and A may equal C, but if B != C then A may NOT equal B AND C |
| 18:45.37 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, rt but split into regions |
| 18:45.40 | starseeker | madant: I'm not sure - hopefully some sort of decision metric can be found, but it might be that to correctly decide things such a worst case is unavoidable |
| 18:45.43 | hippieindamakin8 | *the space |
| 18:46.38 | madant | starseeker: interesting problem ? did you find any literature on this ? |
| 18:46.58 | starseeker | madant: Not yet. I've been looking, but it may be I don't know the correct keywords |
| 18:46.58 | madant | s/interesting problem ? / interesting problem ! :) |
| 18:47.50 | starseeker | it gets even more complex if you allow different points to have different deltas |
| 18:48.09 | pacman87 | starseeker: have you looked at clustering algorithms? |
| 18:48.46 | madant | so in the above scenario what do u want the result to be ? A,B and C all "mutually" different |
| 18:49.25 | starseeker | madant: that's one of the questions - what the "correct" answer should be |
| 18:49.32 | pacman87 | if two points are the same, do you treat that location as the mean of the two points? |
| 18:49.53 | starseeker | pacman87: no decision made about how to handle it yet :-) |
| 18:50.09 | starseeker | pacman87: clustering? no I hadn't |
| 18:50.37 | madant | starseeker: what is the final purpose of categorizing the points ? i mean is the result to be used in some other process ? |
| 18:50.37 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, why cant there be an algo which in its worst case is O(n^2), where you check if each point lies in the error bound a point and go checking for each point |
| 18:51.02 | starseeker | hippieindamakin8: That's probably what will happen, or something like it |
| 18:51.09 | hippieindamakin8 | and this can be worked upon using randomized algos |
| 18:51.19 | pacman87 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_analysis |
| 18:51.26 | hippieindamakin8 | or planar subdivision and parallel analysis |
| 18:51.53 | starseeker | madant: When we evaluate breps with a ray, we may hit edge cases where the question of point equality will come up. If so, we want to have a consistent procedure implemented that we can call |
| 18:52.55 | starseeker | pacman87: Hmm, yeah, looks like I was thinking about clustering algorithms without knowing what they were called :) |
| 18:54.20 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, yup :P (i worked on k-means when working on my industrial intern) |
| 18:54.24 | pacman87 | one of my programming assignments covered it, but in the context of data mining |
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| 18:55.03 | pacman87 | off to class, back later |
| 18:59.29 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, similar to wat i said.. kmeans takes the worst possible time of O(n^2) and the expected value is O(n) which isnt bad |
| 18:59.35 | hippieindamakin8 | and it is easier to implement |
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| 19:01.37 | madant | still can't figure out how k-means algorithm solves starseeker's dilemma of what the result should be |
| 19:02.13 | hippieindamakin8 | again ponders over the problem. |
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| 19:25.12 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, if we find out the intersections what next ? if i have found out the combination of cubes in the space which overlap to some extent or completely (provided they all have the same error ), there shall be situations where A intersects B, B intersects C and A doesnt intersect C. |
| 19:25.12 | starseeker | exactly |
| 19:25.39 | hippieindamakin8 | estimates that the above step takes approximately O(nlogn) |
| 19:25.39 | starseeker | probably the thing to do is to find the two closest points within the identified subset, treat those as being the same, and follow the cascade of consequences as far as other decisions |
| 19:25.39 | starseeker | if A is closer to B than it is to C, set A=B and A!=C |
| 19:25.39 | starseeker | but "closer" might not be enough |
| 19:25.39 | madant | starseeker: as pacman87 asked in case two points are found to be the same do u take their median to be the new point ? |
| 19:25.39 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, the better thing would be divide the bounding box into a mesh of cubes and then work on it ? |
| 19:25.39 | starseeker | the metric I am considering is relative volume of overlap between A and B's delta box vs. the same volume calculated for A and C |
| 19:25.39 | starseeker | madant: I don't know |
| 19:25.39 | starseeker | hippieindamakin8: what do you mean? |
| 19:25.40 | hippieindamakin8 | as in in each cube all the points are approximated to a single point which is either the centroid of those points or center of the cube |
| 19:25.40 | hippieindamakin8 | and the size of this smaller cube shall be the error bound |
| 19:26.04 | starseeker | hippieindamakin8: you're considering the subcase of many points all within the same collection of bounding boxes? |
| 19:26.41 | hippieindamakin8 | i meant one bounding box (bounding all the space into consideration) |
| 19:26.58 | starseeker | needs to make an organized illustration of the various cases for n=3 points to think about |
| 19:27.35 | starseeker | hippieindamakin8: That might result in more point consolidation that we want |
| 19:28.43 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, yeah true but the size of the smaller boxes can be increased to decrease the extent of consolidation obtained |
| 19:29.59 | starseeker | hmm. I'll have to think some more |
| 19:30.13 | hippieindamakin8 | tries to look into the 'approximation algos for geometry ' literature if he can find smthing which can help |
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| 21:46.26 | brlcad | alright weiss, progress! |
| 22:00.34 | madant | brlcad: weiss new developer ? |
| 22:01.46 | Ralith | hey mafm! |
| 22:01.57 | Ralith | I see you've seen my proposal. |
| 22:01.59 | mafm | hi Ralith |
| 22:01.59 | Ralith | any comments? |
| 22:02.02 | madant | ah the gui heroes meet :D |
| 22:02.09 | mafm | gui heroes |
| 22:02.13 | Ralith | hehe |
| 22:02.16 | Ralith | I haven't earned that yet. |
| 22:02.16 | mafm | ... :P |
| 22:02.19 | mafm | 1 sec |
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| 22:20.51 | brlcad | mafm: though you had good reason (wrt, "I wasn't involved in development after gsoc except for a bit towards the end of last year"), personal reasons |
| 22:21.03 | brlcad | hopefully you'll be knee deep in code here again soon ;) |
| 22:21.26 | brlcad | someone needs to help weiss with his patch |
| 22:21.42 | brlcad | that needs to be reverted/fixed |
| 22:21.46 | starseeker | somebody rang? ;-) |
| 22:21.51 | starseeker | what's busted? |
| 22:21.58 | starseeker | I haven't tried building yet |
| 22:28.15 | starseeker | hmm - builds OK, doesn't seem to crash... |
| 22:28.40 | brlcad | it's not a compile problem |
| 22:28.47 | brlcad | the patch has some problems |
| 22:28.51 | brlcad | I sent a note to the list |
| 22:29.21 | brlcad | iirc, I *think* he's on the list -- if he's not, he should be |
| 22:30.02 | brlcad | madant: yeah, very green |
| 22:31.00 | starseeker | ah, yes I see it |
| 22:33.42 | brlcad | starseeker: and it's kinda important -- I was going to tag the source release later tonight |
| 22:33.49 | brlcad | most of the changes shouldn't take long at all |
| 22:34.18 | starseeker | revert til after the tag, or fix? that's user visible if left in |
| 22:34.19 | brlcad | and that'd be a good one to make the release so it can be communicated with s2 golks |
| 22:34.22 | starseeker | k |
| 22:34.35 | brlcad | yeah, I wouldn't leave it in for release |
| 22:34.41 | brlcad | I'd revert if he can't fix it today |
| 22:34.57 | brlcad | in fact I'll just revert it right now |
| 22:35.03 | starseeker | he's gone, so it'd be up to him seeing it on the list tonight |
| 22:35.07 | starseeker | k |
| 22:35.36 | Ralith | brlcad: interesting concepts on that firefox image |
| 22:35.51 | Ralith | doesn't look quite as powerful as what you had in mind, but I certainly see the similarities |
| 22:36.06 | brlcad | it's not as powerful just because all they have to work with is a web browser |
| 22:36.14 | brlcad | and they don't have inherint commands already |
| 22:36.23 | brlcad | we already have hundreds to work with |
| 22:36.31 | mafm | brlcad: so what's that executive decision? |
| 22:37.01 | mafm | Ralith: probably you worked with the code more than me lately |
| 22:37.03 | brlcad | mafm: that we need a better gender ratio in this channel |
| 22:37.12 | brlcad | it's a g'damn sausage fest in here |
| 22:37.16 | brlcad | j/k ;) |
| 22:37.21 | mafm | hot chicks? that's fine for me :P |
| 22:37.43 | mafm | Ralith: anyway, if I can be of any help let me know, and I'll try to keep an eye |
| 22:37.53 | Ralith | mafm: I've been toying with the build system more than the actual code, really |
| 22:37.59 | Ralith | oh, that reminds me |
| 22:38.05 | Ralith | mafm: why did you require Ogre 1.7.0? |
| 22:38.21 | Ralith | it seems to work fine on 1.6.1 |
| 22:38.31 | mafm | 1.7.0 as opposed to stable releases? |
| 22:38.38 | mafm | IIRC there was something like 1.4 stable by that time |
| 22:38.55 | brlcad | mafm: there's a couple things I still intend to check on, but basically that we should just run with making Qt work |
| 22:38.56 | mafm | and they didn't have some functionalities that RBGui needed by then |
| 22:39.07 | mafm | so I used trunk, or something like that |
| 22:39.15 | brlcad | only on the thin client front, though, not the entire application back-end or other tools for now |
| 22:39.42 | mafm | I see |
| 22:40.01 | brlcad | still need to verify a couple things with regards to a few widgets |
| 22:40.04 | mafm | I never used Qt, but other than using a precompiler, I heard that it's not very difficult |
| 22:40.09 | brlcad | and how it integrates with ogre |
| 22:40.25 | brlcad | the precompiler is the one big hassle that leaves a bad taste |
| 22:40.30 | mafm | last time that I checked RBGui (january I think) it was in the same state |
| 22:40.37 | brlcad | should see if there are any facilities to avoid using it |
| 22:40.47 | mafm | so, well, it's nice but... :) |
| 22:40.48 | brlcad | yeah, I'm not surprised |
| 22:40.56 | brlcad | rbgui being dead wasn't a problem :) |
| 22:41.35 | brlcad | it's more just where we'd end up after it's fully customized, simple widgets with limited behavior |
| 22:41.56 | Ralith | brlcad: I get the impression that the precompiler contributes a lot to the ease of development with Qt |
| 22:42.06 | Ralith | what's so unappetising about it? |
| 22:42.23 | brlcad | I'd see us wasting a lot of cycles making a hundred dumb things work (like we do with Tk now) like getting select/copy/paste working on a text widget |
| 22:43.06 | brlcad | Ralith: I suppose I just haven't drank the coolaid yet -- I like my sources to compile with a preprocessor and a compiler |
| 22:43.09 | mafm | I had thought about getting rid of Mocha for one, I think that RBGui uses only a few simple classes from it... but if it's not going to be used, one thing less to worry abount :) |
| 22:43.31 | Ralith | brlcad: I certainly understand the sentiment, but I wouldn't write it off immediately. |
| 22:44.03 | Ralith | mafm: yeah, before I realized how apt Qt might be, I saw that as one of the first things I'd try to work on |
| 22:44.11 | Ralith | much of what mocha provides is even already in BRL-CAD somewhere. |
| 22:44.23 | brlcad | Ralith: I'm not writing it off, I just don't like things that lock you in to more than an API |
| 22:44.54 | brlcad | similar to the openthreads declarations, pragmas, and other tool-specific language overlays that some projects run with |
| 22:46.10 | starseeker | thinks he remembers the QT precompiler being fairly essential for hiding a LOT of really nasty details, but it's been a while |
| 22:46.50 | starseeker | last time I was looking at it was when someone was trying to integrate lisp CFFI with QT, iirc |
| 22:47.09 | Ralith | given the degree to which Qt is an entire application framework, rather than just a widget toolkit, I'd imagine general dependency on it might be hard to avoid if we want to take advantage of all that it offers. |
| 22:47.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34122 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/ (main.c opt.c viewarea.c): revert r34121 due to a variety of issues given I'm about to tag a source release. most pertinent to the release is the addition of an rt option (-y) that doesn't apply to any of the other raytrace applications. |
| 22:49.07 | mafm | Ralith: what's your primary OS? FreeBSD? |
| 22:49.15 | Ralith | mafm: linux, at the moment. |
| 22:49.22 | Ralith | freebsd laptop died and I had to get a new system up quick |
| 22:50.31 | mafm | I see |
| 22:51.03 | mafm | RBGui was easy to build for me (with the patches), but that was a while ago :D |
| 22:51.09 | Ralith | patches? |
| 22:51.36 | mafm | yep, src/other includes original RBGui with further patches |
| 22:51.43 | mafm | and the same for Mocha |
| 22:51.55 | mafm | I think that OIS and OGRE did not need them |
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| 22:52.25 | mafm | they were basic patches implementing little stuff, cleaning headers, etc |
| 22:52.52 | Ralith | oh, I'd forgotten about that. |
| 22:52.59 | Ralith | that explains that. |
| 22:54.13 | mafm | +float PosixPlatformManager::getDoubleClickTime( ) |
| 22:54.15 | mafm | +{ |
| 22:54.16 | mafm | + // ... |
| 22:54.18 | mafm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.19 | mafm | :) |
| 22:54.38 | mafm | missing things like that, it didn't even compile -- I guess that nobody had tested it in linux before releasing |
| 22:55.18 | mafm | they were small things like that IIRC, anyway, it must be in SVN logs shortly after importing |
| 22:56.52 | Ralith | yeah, I had to add that in too |
| 22:59.13 | ``Erik | nice |
| 23:01.14 | mafm | I think that I filled some of those with real implementations, but well :) |
| 23:01.30 | mafm | as I said, it must be in SVN |
| 23:01.50 | mafm | does Qt render inside the opengl context, or around it? |
| 23:01.56 | Ralith | it can do either |
| 23:02.04 | Ralith | I plan to do the former |
| 23:02.15 | mafm | nice |
| 23:02.36 | mafm | have you checked some example application or so? |
| 23:02.53 | Ralith | it's all linkified in my official gsoc application |
| 23:02.58 | Ralith | lemme dig that up |
| 23:03.25 | Ralith | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/demos-boxes.html |
| 23:03.28 | mafm | oh, I don't have access to it, only to the wiki |
| 23:05.51 | mafm | goody |
| 23:05.58 | madant | Ralith: wow @ the boxes O.o |
| 23:06.03 | Ralith | ? |
| 23:06.12 | mafm | seems like a good replacement of RBGui for this task |
| 23:06.14 | mafm | :) |
| 23:06.17 | Ralith | that's my thought. |
| 23:08.25 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1316 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: update apply url to socghop site |
| 23:08.29 | mafm | btw Ralith, what/where are you studying? |
| 23:09.25 | mafm | for some reason I thought that you were already a teacher or something like that, when you told me last year that you were interested in the project |
| 23:09.49 | Ralith | people always seem to get that kind of impression from me |
| 23:09.53 | Ralith | probably 'cuz I'm such a grammar nazi |
| 23:10.35 | Ralith | actually, I only just got accepted to a college; last year I didn't even qualify for SoC, or I would have applied then, too. |
| 23:11.20 | brlcad | mafm: if I'm undertanding everything I've read to date, especially since 4.0, they've moved towards rendering everything through a generalized backend that gives them an opengl context to work with |
| 23:11.34 | brlcad | allowing the easily zoomable interfaces, simple vector scaling, accelerated rendering |
| 23:11.58 | brlcad | but even if they didn't, yeah -- our entire window should be opengl, that's still the goal |
| 23:12.08 | brlcad | one big context with widgets in it |
| 23:12.09 | madant | this qt looks nothing like my "memory" of Qt :P |
| 23:12.20 | Ralith | hehe |
| 23:12.39 | brlcad | madant: kde gives it a bad name ;) |
| 23:13.28 | madant | is a core gnome-er .. well now xmonader :) |
| 23:13.54 | mafm | vector scaling... one of the things that you wanted last year already :) |
| 23:13.57 | madant | i always feel kde looks childish :P |
| 23:14.32 | Ralith | there we go |
| 23:14.34 | Ralith | application linkified |
| 23:14.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1317 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Added links from GUI SoC application |
| 23:19.12 | madant | Ralith: how's reprap ;) ? |
| 23:19.47 | Ralith | madant: in general or in particular? |
| 23:19.55 | madant | in particular ;) |
| 23:20.29 | Ralith | my machine's nearly finished |
| 23:20.41 | madant | awesome :) |
| 23:20.42 | Ralith | just need to wire things up and build the extruder barrel |
| 23:21.03 | madant | hah.. then onto a few kids ;) |
| 23:21.41 | mafm | I read about reprap somewhere in the last few days, can't remember where |
| 23:22.45 | mafm | Ralith: maybe the fact that you didn't apply for soc gave me the impression of being a post-student :D |
| 23:22.59 | Ralith | could be |
| 23:29.21 | brlcad | several of the guys I work with are technically students and a decade or two older than I .. you can be a student at any age / stage of life ;) |
| 23:32.33 | Ralith | not much is as rewarding as learning about cool stuff, after all. |
| 23:38.41 | madant | will be back after a 5km run : 5 am here :D |
| 23:44.42 | brlcad | madant: awesome |
| 23:44.53 | brlcad | see you in 20 minutes ;) |
| 23:52.07 | mafm | I used to go to exams with people of 70 around me |
| 23:53.32 | brlcad | my professors for some courses were students with me in other courses at the university |
| 23:54.21 | Ralith | neat! |
| 23:55.21 | brlcad | I knew I was over my head when my calc III professor was in the same course with me on (graduate level) game theory .. that was three weeks of utter hell |
| 23:55.53 | brlcad | I would have had to drop half my workload just to keep up |
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| 23:59.29 | brlcad | howdy andrecastelo |
| 00:02.02 | mafm | lol :) |
| 00:02.04 | mafm | hi andrecastelo |
| 00:02.24 | mafm | in my case, it's because many ppl take advantage at distance learning just for fun |
| 00:02.48 | mafm | or, in the case of businessman or polititians, to get a degree as lawyers or so |
| 00:03.23 | mafm | so half of ppl is more or less young ppl as in other unis, specially for engineerings as me |
| 00:03.35 | mafm | but other ppl are of old age |
| 00:04.07 | mafm | there are even programs for inmates in prisons, and ppl working abroad in different places of Europe and America |
| 00:04.12 | mafm | it's funny :) |
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| 00:13.50 | andrecastelo | hi brlcad, mafm :D |
| 00:15.13 | mafm | andrecastelo: applying for gsoc? |
| 00:28.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1318 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Checklist: expand the checklist into four main sections, one during the application period, then before coding begins, and then while coding, then after it's all done |
| 00:30.02 | Ralith | yay! |
| 00:32.55 | andrecastelo | mafm: nope :( |
| 00:33.00 | andrecastelo | mafm: you? |
| 00:33.28 | madant | took 23:30 :| |
| 00:34.48 | mafm | andrecastelo: not sure yet, and not sure if as mentor or student... still checking project ideas and so on, and thinking about my future |
| 00:34.52 | mafm | andrecastelo: why not? |
| 00:35.19 | madant | howdy castelo ;) |
| 00:35.21 | mafm | madant: you need to drink more tea :P |
| 00:35.34 | madant | is a coffee person |
| 00:35.46 | madant | where is pacman87 :) that would make it a perfect reunion :) |
| 00:35.59 | pacman87 | right here :D |
| 00:36.12 | madant | andrecastelo: thinking about future is never easy i guess |
| 00:36.18 | mafm | madant: heretic! |
| 00:36.23 | madant | pacman87: yay :P |
| 00:36.30 | mafm | I love coffee too, too much :( |
| 00:36.50 | madant | why the sad face . coffee is life :) |
| 00:36.56 | madant | pacman87: how is school . |
| 00:37.22 | andrecastelo | madant: true, perfect reunion :) |
| 00:38.14 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:38.14 | madant | and did something happen in the direction of the clustering discussion |
| 00:38.14 | pacman87 | madant: busy. i'm working on making tetris with a 6811, and writing a darknet F2F client |
| 00:38.14 | mafm | madant: because I can't drink as much as I would like |
| 00:38.42 | pacman87 | madant: i think the clustering discussion was more an idea-gathering than a decide-something |
| 00:39.00 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 00:39.50 | madant | pacman87: 6811 sounds kewl.. :) |
| 00:40.32 | pacman87 | 512 B ram, 512 B rom |
| 00:40.53 | madant | haha .. and a lot of tinkering around ;) |
| 00:40.53 | pacman87 | we're interfacing external eeprom using the address/data bus |
| 00:41.10 | madant | ah it is like a project or a competition ? |
| 00:41.16 | pacman87 | a bit of both |
| 00:41.22 | pacman87 | it's for class |
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| 00:41.30 | pacman87 | and there's a competition at the end |
| 00:41.31 | madant | whats the F2F client for |
| 00:41.40 | pacman87 | concurrent and distributed systems programming |
| 00:41.53 | pacman87 | it's a 'chose your own project' |
| 00:41.56 | brlcad | the 6811 is actually faster than the first hardware that ran brl-cad .. memory not far off too |
| 00:42.15 | brlcad | it was just bigger than a refrigerator back then |
| 00:42.19 | madant | brlcad: what was that monster :D |
| 00:42.27 | ``Erik | hrm, pdp11/70? |
| 00:43.26 | pacman87 | i want to find a graphics LCD panel that i can interface directly to the display RAM from the address/data bus |
| 00:43.34 | pacman87 | memory-mapped IO style |
| 00:43.43 | pacman87 | but i haven't found any drivers that do that yet |
| 00:44.38 | ``Erik | there'll still have to be some kinda controller in the mix to translate, pacman :/ lcd's and memory work a bit differently |
| 00:45.12 | ``Erik | probably be easier to just glue i2c components together or somethin' |
| 00:45.22 | madant | has always wondered whether higher polyomino games would be nice |
| 00:45.58 | pacman87 | ``Erik: yeah, i know; i'm looking for a controller that will let me talk to the display ram, and the controller syncs the display ram with the LCD panel |
| 00:45.59 | ``Erik | (6811 or 6812? I thought motorola discontinued 6811's in favor of 6812's a long time ago, a 6812 can run 6811 code 'and then some') |
| 00:46.38 | ``Erik | <-- did some assembly and low level C on both those chips back in college :) fun stuff |
| 00:46.47 | pacman87 | 6811. we use the 6812 for most of the stuff we do, but the point of this is to do external memory |
| 00:47.29 | ``Erik | hm, I thought you could get 6812's with no internal memory |
| 00:48.04 | ``Erik | has been tempted to figure out how to get his pics talking to old simm ram |
| 00:48.07 | pacman87 | it's also possible that UT has some big stock of 6811s from before they stopped making them |
| 00:48.39 | pacman87 | and our 6812s are on dev boards with serial monitors to program them |
| 00:51.30 | ``Erik | of course, I've also been tempted to buy a 68040 and build an old school unix box out of it, I seem to get tempted an awful lot and act an awful little ;) |
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| 01:02.11 | mafm | night, folks :) |
| 01:03.30 | Lezard | well i`m interested in one of the project ideas, could you guys give me more information in the MGED User Interface Improvements project? |
| 01:04.44 | brlcad | Lezard: thanks, that helps :) |
| 01:05.03 | brlcad | so our main modeler right now is called MGED |
| 01:05.42 | brlcad | it's actually probably best explained by just running it -- it's not easy to learn, not easy interface to discvoer |
| 01:06.14 | brlcad | basically, if you look at the screenshots on http://brlcad.org/gallery/ under the screenshots section, you'll see various pictures of it running |
| 01:06.37 | brlcad | meant here |
| 01:07.15 | Lezard | looking at the screenshots |
| 01:07.37 | Lezard | well... i really agree that you need a more friendly interface, at least from what i see with the screenshots |
| 01:09.27 | brlcad | the interface is being overhauled completely |
| 01:09.39 | brlcad | that has been in the works for a while and was a gsoc project last year |
| 01:09.47 | Lezard | hmm |
| 01:09.51 | brlcad | but in the meantime, mged can and should still be made easier to use |
| 01:09.51 | Lezard | did anyone apply? |
| 01:10.14 | brlcad | just one person has applied to continue that project again this year thusfar |
| 01:10.31 | Ralith | waves |
| 01:10.37 | Lezard | hello Ralith o/ |
| 01:10.41 | Ralith | hullo |
| 01:11.04 | Lezard | My main problem is that i`m not a Tcl/Tk expert... |
| 01:11.19 | Ralith | I'm sure it's not hard to learn |
| 01:11.29 | Lezard | I`m a researcher in my university in the HCI lab |
| 01:11.32 | brlcad | Lezard: mged is about 1/3rd tcl/tk and about 2/3rds C |
| 01:11.55 | Lezard | so i got kinda interested in the project, after all i could test my skills |
| 01:11.56 | brlcad | so much of what can be done to make it easier to use can be done on the C side |
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| 01:12.22 | brlcad | like better introspection, help system, cleaned up command layer, etc |
| 01:12.42 | brlcad | the gui aspects are tcl/tk though -- the new system is where that changes it up to C/C++ |
| 01:13.09 | Lezard | well i`m more interested in the gui aspects |
| 01:13.20 | brlcad | having someone with HCI experience take a hack at mged would be phenomenal -- you'd have a pretty big opportunity to make a big impact |
| 01:13.45 | brlcad | there are something on the order of 200k downloads a year, about 20k a month that would benefit from better usability ;) |
| 01:14.06 | Ralith | I'd also love to have your input on my work on the new system, if I get accepted |
| 01:14.40 | brlcad | yeah, there's the guy that has that application in for continuing last year's work thusfar ;) |
| 01:15.17 | Lezard | so you think that even if my Tcl/Tk skills aren`t very advanced, i should apply ? |
| 01:15.23 | objorn | where are the 32bit builds? |
| 01:15.26 | brlcad | starseeker: you know any word about whether weiss is working on fixing it? |
| 01:15.38 | brlcad | objorn: for binary builds, you have to go back a few releases |
| 01:15.41 | objorn | i only see 64bit http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105292&package_id=113559 |
| 01:15.45 | objorn | okay |
| 01:15.45 | Ralith | Lezard: certainly; GSoC's all about learning. |
| 01:16.05 | brlcad | generally recommend just building the latest from source regardless if you can |
| 01:16.06 | Ralith | Lezard: of course, you might want to look over some docs on it beforehand so you have some idea what you're getting into |
| 01:16.28 | brlcad | Lezard: what languages would you say you know pretty well? |
| 01:16.59 | brlcad | tcl/tk is a frustrating blessing .. sometimes great to work with and sometimes makes you go looking for a shotgun |
| 01:17.13 | Lezard | well, i`m confident in my php and pascal, my C is about average |
| 01:17.26 | Lezard | as my python |
| 01:17.36 | brlcad | tcl's not "too" dissimilar from php |
| 01:18.12 | madant | Lezard: php and pascal , interesting combination |
| 01:18.18 | brlcad | the syntax is definitely different, check out http://www.tcl.tk/about/language.html |
| 01:18.43 | madant | Lezard: what do / did u do in pascal ? |
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| 01:22.30 | Lezard | madant: Well, last thing i did in pascal was a program to manage a store |
| 01:22.31 | brlcad | typ0: so the iges converter.. have you worked with iges before? |
| 01:22.44 | Lezard | nothing too complicated i guess... |
| 01:22.58 | brlcad | typ0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGES has a link to the spec iirc |
| 01:23.04 | typ0 | thanks |
| 01:23.08 | typ0 | didn't work with it before |
| 01:23.28 | typ0 | but i can use the student bonding period to study the current converter source code |
| 01:23.34 | madant | Lezard: hehe.. not at all. I was just asking since pascal is a relatively uncommon language skill ;) |
| 01:23.34 | typ0 | and familiarize myself with the format |
| 01:23.42 | Lezard | sorry if i took a long time to answer, i`m doing the laundry |
| 01:23.52 | Lezard | well, yeah, i learned it in my last university... |
| 01:24.24 | Lezard | used it for some programs in class, and to code that managing program to a friend |
| 01:24.47 | brlcad | madant: actually I think it's pretty common (for some of us older folk) .. just not one many will admit to knowing/using ;) |
| 01:24.56 | brlcad | often an "intro to programming" language ;) |
| 01:25.12 | Lezard | Agreed |
| 01:25.27 | Lezard | I know other languages as well, but it has been sometime since i code... |
| 01:25.28 | madant | brlcad: :) yeah i remember a friend of mine having to deal with pascal for some algorithms which were written a decade ago :) |
| 01:25.37 | madant | er .. make it two decades ago :) |
| 01:26.03 | Lezard | But i know that at least my algorithms logic is still fine... at least was last year in the Coding Arena... |
| 01:26.06 | madant | I hear it is pretty good for mathematical stuff / |
| 01:26.08 | madant | ? |
| 01:26.08 | Lezard | were |
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| 01:28.17 | madant | had an introduction to computers in LOGO |
| 01:29.05 | Lezard | Man, i should be sleeping |
| 01:29.13 | Lezard | its going to be a long night |
| 01:29.36 | madant | Lezard: gn, do come back if u need any help regarding brl-cad |
| 01:30.00 | Lezard | I`m not goint to sleep, i need to finish some stuff for my class tomorrow |
| 01:30.04 | brlcad | Lezard: a little piece of you dies every time you sleep! |
| 01:30.19 | Lezard | agreed |
| 01:30.22 | madant | agrees with this philosophy of brlcad's :P |
| 01:30.23 | brlcad | thinks that will be one of his new phrases worth repeating ad infitum |
| 01:30.48 | brlcad | hello deeeffache |
| 01:30.58 | deeeffache | hola |
| 01:31.28 | brlcad | g'dammits .. cruise control is stuck again |
| 01:32.50 | Ralith | madant: what're you applying for, again? |
| 01:33.32 | madant | Ralith: further work in libpc :) http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Homovulgaris |
| 01:33.55 | Ralith | oo, that stuff! |
| 01:33.56 | Ralith | awesome! |
| 01:33.57 | Ralith | :D |
| 01:34.46 | madant | i think the gui will be more visually appealing not to mention awesome :) |
| 01:34.53 | Ralith | is looking forward to having that working |
| 01:35.10 | Ralith | eh, the GUI's worthless without a powerful backend |
| 01:35.33 | Ralith | it's just there to hold people's attention long enough to become comfortable with the package |
| 01:35.34 | madant | Ralith: which univ do u go to ? |
| 01:35.59 | Ralith | not actually in univ yet; turns out SoC lets you in if you've got an acceptance letter. |
| 01:36.25 | ``Erik | *readreadread* pascal pascal, or delphi? |
| 01:36.42 | Ralith | I do look forward to making a shiny and usable GUI, but the GUI is an enabler |
| 01:37.07 | Ralith | the point of BRL-CAD is, after all, not just to model things. |
| 01:37.16 | brlcad | visually appealing AND awesome |
| 01:37.22 | Ralith | hehe |
| 01:37.26 | brlcad | we could just name the binary "awesome" |
| 01:37.36 | Ralith | isn't there already a window manager called that? |
| 01:37.42 | brlcad | ah, yeah, probably ;) |
| 01:37.46 | ``Erik | teh-awesom3z.7.14.4.tar.bz2 |
| 01:38.18 | Ralith | aw3d. Reads as 'awed' |
| 01:38.29 | Lezard | brb |
| 01:38.33 | Lezard | going to cook my dinner |
| 01:38.37 | brlcad | yeah, actually 'awesome' wm has a lot of the same usability considerations as the new gui |
| 01:38.45 | Ralith | hehe |
| 01:39.02 | brlcad | similar HCI backings |
| 01:39.08 | Ralith | I guess that kind of design is just inherently awesome. |
| 01:43.33 | brlcad | has the munchies |
| 01:44.03 | brlcad | debates hitting up the bar down the street for some satisfaction |
| 01:49.03 | brlcad | non-overlapping windows, everything can be performed with a keyboard, swappable contexts/tabs/tiles, automatic default unobscured layout arrangement, .. |
| 01:49.13 | brlcad | reminding himself out loud |
| 02:00.24 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, saw the start of that :) pretty cool |
| 02:00.34 | brlcad | starseeker: so was reading your brep notes |
| 02:00.44 | brlcad | heh, gmta |
| 02:02.44 | yukonbob | http://pastebin.ca/1377525 |
| 02:03.02 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob |
| 02:03.05 | yukonbob | :) |
| 02:03.26 | brlcad | yukonbob: er.. you're running autoconf there |
| 02:03.27 | yukonbob | Noteable for above paste: NetBSD 5_RC3, pkgsrc. |
| 02:03.31 | brlcad | that won't work |
| 02:03.38 | brlcad | needs to be the full toolchain |
| 02:03.41 | brlcad | ./autogen.sh |
| 02:03.45 | yukonbob | nods |
| 02:03.49 | yukonbob | will continue from there :) |
| 02:04.07 | brlcad | more specifically, if you want to do it manually, you're missing aclocal |
| 02:04.26 | brlcad | there's a comment in autogen.sh some ways down that describes the manual steps |
| 02:04.36 | brlcad | lists them out |
| 02:04.52 | brlcad | autoreconf should do the trick too with the right options |
| 02:05.26 | yukonbob | will poll the tools; thx for the directional hint |
| 02:06.29 | brlcad | any reason you're not running autogen.sh ? |
| 02:07.01 | yukonbob | brlcad: is wrapped in old(er) config I had for pkgsrc... need to give it some hints. |
| 02:07.29 | brlcad | hm? |
| 02:07.49 | brlcad | ah, you mean you have a pkgsrc target that is set up to run autoconf directly like that? |
| 02:07.55 | yukonbob | yup :) |
| 02:08.00 | brlcad | that shouldn't have ever worked... |
| 02:08.03 | yukonbob | I'll give it more specific hints... |
| 02:08.23 | brlcad | maybe from a source checkout after aclocal had already ran |
| 02:08.38 | brlcad | er, s/checkout/tarball/ |
| 02:08.50 | brlcad | but still.. unusual |
| 02:08.52 | yukonbob | brlcad: good guess... |
| 02:09.41 | yukonbob | I've certainly had the whole affair successfully wrapped in pkgsrc before, including ripping out all in-tree options like Tcl, ITcl, Tk, various gfx libs, etc., etc. |
| 02:10.07 | yukonbob | just working on re-implementing with "modern" co |
| 02:10.14 | brlcad | should be running either "autoreconf -i -f -I m4" or autogen.sh |
| 02:10.14 | yukonbob | s/co/checkout/ |
| 02:10.19 | yukonbob | nods |
| 02:10.36 | yukonbob | will retry l8r tonight... |
| 02:10.40 | brlcad | ideally the latter so we can control it ;) |
| 02:10.52 | yukonbob | noted |
| 02:10.59 | yukonbob | gets kicked out of cafe... |
| 02:11.06 | brlcad | oh noes! |
| 02:11.11 | yukonbob | :) |
| 02:11.12 | brlcad | ze coffeee! |
| 02:11.19 | yukonbob | chat later, brl-nerds |
| 02:11.24 | brlcad | cya geek |
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| 02:48.11 | objorn | brl-cad is simply 400 applications... |
| 02:49.13 | objorn | -simply |
| 02:49.17 | objorn | i did not realize this |
| 02:49.30 | objorn | now i'm looking at the wiki trying to figure out how to use it |
| 02:51.33 | objorn | ah, mged |
| 02:51.49 | objorn | brlcad/bin$ ./mged |
| 02:51.51 | objorn | ./mged: error while loading shared libraries: libtermio.so.19: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:52.24 | objorn | i downloaded the packages and haven't done ./configure, make, or make install |
| 02:52.44 | objorn | but i also can't find autogen.sh using find . -name autogen.sh |
| 02:53.13 | objorn | in the brlcad folder |
| 03:04.49 | brlcad | huh, objorn where'd you get a source tarball from? |
| 03:05.37 | objorn | i'm guessing it's binary |
| 03:05.48 | objorn | i got the install instructions confuesed |
| 03:06.33 | starseeker | brlcad: here's the ascii art in the TODO.BREP taken a bit further: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/points.pdf |
| 03:06.38 | objorn | so putting brlcad/ in /usr will solve the problem? |
| 03:06.54 | objorn | is highly considering just downloading from source |
| 03:06.56 | brlcad | yeah |
| 03:07.12 | brlcad | if this is for gsoc, you should start from a source chekcout |
| 03:07.44 | objorn | it's for my own interest |
| 03:08.21 | objorn | i have a feeling i will being needing to use it in about a year so i should become familiar now |
| 03:09.02 | brlcad | ok, cool |
| 03:34.25 | Ralith | starseeker: what is that, and why does it make xpdf lock up? |
| 03:43.59 | brlcad | starseeker: what's missing from that art is the sample determination |
| 03:45.09 | brlcad | Ralith: something about how it's encoded.. massively eating up cpu here |
| 03:45.29 | brlcad | it's just a bunch of simple lines, but something wrong with the pdf |
| 03:45.54 | Ralith | doesn't even eat much CPU here |
| 03:45.56 | Ralith | just locks |
| 03:47.06 | pacman87 | it was taking up all of one core for me |
| 03:47.38 | pacman87 | i gave up and closed it |
| 03:49.36 | brlcad | re-encodes it |
| 03:50.16 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/~sean/points.pdf |
| 03:52.12 | brlcad | few cases not missing, not that it matters -- the three-case can be considered to cover all possibilities pair-wise if you treat one of them, say C, as being the test sample (just that several options become invalid samples) |
| 03:55.32 | brlcad | also not clear that the representative shape is accurate -- they end up being distance checks with a tolerance so those should be spheres of uncertainty |
| 03:55.52 | brlcad | for computational reasons as well as just not inducing an aliasing bias |
| 03:57.25 | brlcad | it'd be square/rectangular if the comparisons were done per coordinate component individually but they're not (intentionally) as it would introduce an artificial shape factor (and be more book-keeping) |
| 03:57.38 | brlcad | interesting idea, though, for certain |
| 03:57.47 | brlcad | and assuming I'm just not missing something |
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| 04:38.34 | starseeker | brlcad: I doubt you are |
| 04:38.34 | starseeker | I thought the comparisons would be done per component, but if not then yes it would be spheres |
| 04:38.50 | brlcad | yeah, nah -- they are point-point distances |
| 04:39.15 | starseeker | it doesn't actually matter too much - I just need to re-draw the cases with spheres |
| 04:39.22 | starseeker | might eliminate a few, not sure |
| 04:39.35 | brlcad | doing it per component is smaller, but a biased shape |
| 04:39.53 | brlcad | don't redraw, it gets the point across |
| 04:40.02 | brlcad | no pun intended |
| 04:40.05 | starseeker | heh |
| 04:40.13 | starseeker | scolds inkscape for doing such a sucky pdf |
| 04:40.28 | brlcad | looks like they use cairo |
| 04:40.34 | starseeker | yeah |
| 04:40.34 | brlcad | so might be cairos fault for the crap |
| 04:40.46 | brlcad | either way, something really wrong with it :) |
| 04:40.55 | starseeker | I wondered why it rendered so slow |
| 04:42.03 | starseeker | heh - spheres would actually mean circles, and that would (probably) make it proper Venn diagrams after all :-) |
| 04:42.20 | brlcad | so the trick with the tests are all mostly just a matter of accumulated error tracking with a given comparison tolerance |
| 04:43.17 | starseeker | well, unless we need to decide which points with overlapping error bounds to regard as the same - that's where it gets iffy |
| 04:43.42 | brlcad | another way to think of why boxes would be an issue is the effect it would cause on a point-collapse operation |
| 04:43.59 | brlcad | the direction of approach between two points would actually affect their collapse |
| 04:44.07 | brlcad | you want it direction invariant |
| 04:44.15 | starseeker | true. |
| 04:44.36 | starseeker | I was assuming we were constrained by the realities of xyz 3d point storage |
| 04:45.07 | brlcad | nah, because we do actual distance calcs between the points |
| 04:45.19 | starseeker | what did you have in mind for a collapsing algorithm? |
| 04:45.31 | starseeker | nearest point with overlapping error bounds? |
| 04:45.31 | brlcad | DIST_PT_PT() in vmath, for example |
| 04:46.00 | brlcad | well naive first implementation, yes, but that's a very dumb clustering technique that will have problems |
| 04:46.06 | starseeker | agreed |
| 04:46.21 | starseeker | my second pass was largest shared error bound volume |
| 04:46.45 | starseeker | but that also seems to have some weaknesses |
| 04:47.10 | starseeker | I was trying to find papers on techniques earlier today (should be in the scrollback, come to think of it) |
| 04:47.13 | brlcad | basically if you have two points A and B that are near each other within the distance tolerance, there's an entire ellipsoid where they are within tolerance |
| 04:47.34 | brlcad | and conceivably, any value in there would suffice as a solution |
| 04:47.53 | starseeker | for free points in space, that might do |
| 04:47.56 | brlcad | picking A or B is usually the case, but that's actually on the surface of the ellipsoid instead of some mean/average/inner point |
| 04:48.06 | starseeker | I'm worried about things like the vertex of an arb8 though |
| 04:48.20 | brlcad | picking anything *other* than A or B, though, is changing your inputs and can cause cascade failures |
| 04:48.32 | brlcad | or accumulated error |
| 04:48.37 | starseeker | what about three points with one being overlapped by the other two but the other two mutually exclusive? |
| 04:49.12 | starseeker | and so on... n points means a lot of those sorts of possibilities |
| 04:49.28 | brlcad | yeah, that's the point drift problem |
| 04:49.53 | brlcad | A and B are within tol, B and C within tol, but not A and C .. so what happens |
| 04:50.01 | starseeker | exactly |
| 04:50.11 | brlcad | you make a decision and that can cascade a failure |
| 04:50.28 | starseeker | as near as I can tell you have to pick one and say the other one is a no-go, unless you have something better <hopes> |
| 04:50.55 | brlcad | what you suggest is basically what nmg code does now |
| 04:51.02 | starseeker | winces |
| 04:51.15 | starseeker | ouch |
| 04:52.42 | starseeker | uncle - what's the better solution? |
| 04:52.45 | brlcad | it makes a decision on the first comparison A<>B and clamps B to A if within tol to maintain data integrity, then comparing C, determines it's outside bounds and rejects it |
| 04:53.07 | brlcad | or determines it's within and clamps to A as well, etc |
| 04:54.17 | starseeker | what bounds is it comparing C to? B and C shouldn't both be clamped to A, correct? |
| 04:54.38 | brlcad | okay, so there are a couple things that we can try, but not making promises that we'll actually solve it for all conditions .. garbage in will result in garbabe out |
| 04:54.57 | brlcad | it really depends on what the algorithm is attempting to accomplish |
| 04:55.29 | brlcad | it was comparing C to the same distance tolerance, A<>C |
| 04:55.58 | starseeker | so B and C WOULD end up the same point after clamping? |
| 04:56.16 | brlcad | all three at A or C rejected |
| 04:56.32 | brlcad | that's just explaining basically what it presently does |
| 04:56.40 | brlcad | oversimplified |
| 04:56.47 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:57.08 | brlcad | where it really fails, though, is that it doesn't know it clamped B to A |
| 04:57.19 | starseeker | blinks |
| 04:57.43 | starseeker | yeah, that could be a problem |
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| 04:57.48 | brlcad | topologically, it may have been the actual case that B<>C was the right two to combine and A was just something close by |
| 04:58.02 | brlcad | and had the order of operations even changed, it would have worked out correct |
| 04:59.07 | brlcad | jeez, eva mendes is smokin' |
| 04:59.25 | brlcad | anyways |
| 04:59.35 | brlcad | so the idea is that we have to track the decision |
| 04:59.45 | objorn | i want to enable opengl support, yes? |
| 04:59.55 | brlcad | objorn: no, not necessary |
| 05:00.11 | objorn | what's the benefit of using it? |
| 05:00.12 | brlcad | doesn't affect anything to disable/enable it -- it'll use X11 routines |
| 05:00.26 | starseeker | archer needs ogl, I think that's about it |
| 05:00.29 | brlcad | it's just what underlying protocol does it speak, doesn't actually change what features are provided |
| 05:00.35 | brlcad | doesn't give you shaded displays, for example |
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| 05:00.59 | starseeker | actually, at present archer doesn't seem to display anything without ogl... |
| 05:01.05 | objorn | how do you enable it through configure? ./configure USE=opengl |
| 05:01.08 | objorn | :P |
| 05:01.18 | objorn | seriously though, i'm not sure |
| 05:01.23 | starseeker | ./configure --help |
| 05:01.27 | objorn | thanks |
| 05:02.24 | starseeker | brlcad: is tracking the decision O(n^2) or worse? |
| 05:02.53 | brlcad | starseeker: so to track the decision, the simplest way is to simply take the average of the two points and track the error volume |
| 05:04.36 | objorn | ./configure --enable-OpenGL[=yes] |
| 05:04.38 | objorn | ? |
| 05:05.13 | starseeker | --with-ogl |
| 05:05.31 | objorn | thank you starseeker |
| 05:05.47 | brlcad | so with A<>B, it determines they're within tol, giving a resulting AB point (call it D) and the maximal error of that point (which after the first comparison is just the tolerance) .. then compares D using that error against C with the starting tolerance, resulting in a DC point, call it E |
| 05:06.23 | starseeker | ok |
| 05:06.46 | brlcad | E's error is possibly going to be bigger than D's, error is accumulating as more points are combined |
| 05:06.51 | starseeker | do we then check B and C for distance from E? |
| 05:07.16 | brlcad | so if you had a string of points within tolerance, they can actually all collapse with a resulting large error bounds |
| 05:07.22 | starseeker | right |
| 05:07.41 | starseeker | in the worst case, we go from a long line of points to one point with a huge error bound? |
| 05:07.45 | brlcad | but it's kept track of that error and theoretically, nothing will be left out |
| 05:07.50 | brlcad | just possibly too much brought in |
| 05:08.11 | brlcad | right, that should be the worst case I *think* |
| 05:08.24 | brlcad | not realistic, but conceivable |
| 05:09.39 | starseeker | so if a ray passes within the error bound of the point, is it a hit? |
| 05:10.01 | brlcad | now the trick is when we run into a future operation that results in topologically invalid geometry (non-manifold for example), we can actually back out a decision and try to find one that will result in valid geometry |
| 05:11.05 | brlcad | if we were to get really fancy, each decision becomes a new graph in a decision tree and we have a parametric decision tree |
| 05:11.15 | brlcad | but that's fugly and expensive |
| 05:11.22 | starseeker | nods |
| 05:12.57 | starseeker | bemusedly wonders if we can use metaballs to keep track of the error bound :-) |
| 05:13.58 | starseeker | alright, I should get some sleep here :-P |
| 05:14.26 | starseeker | back after regaining consciousness |
| 05:15.15 | brlcad | there's actually a good argument for maintaining a fixed error |
| 05:15.38 | brlcad | and rejecting C if it's not within that D average point within error |
| 05:15.51 | brlcad | not accumulating error |
| 05:16.16 | brlcad | basically clamping error to some fixed magic tolerance slightly larger than the distance tolerance |
| 05:23.38 | brlcad | (like sqrt(distance tolerance)) |
| 05:24.07 | brlcad | for fractional tolerances of course |
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| 05:33.38 | brlcad | the bigger issue is generally going to be that there are at least two main tolerances.. there's our absolute calculation tolerance for presumably what the hardware can handle, and a model tolerance, which is generally many orders of magnitude larger |
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| 12:49.59 | brlcad | yawns |
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| 13:25.32 | madant | loves waking up at 4 pm :) |
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| 13:42.59 | brlcad | madant: heh, fantastic :) |
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| 15:53.56 | ``Erik | hrm, *ponder* I have 4 photographs of an object with different lighting angles, it'd be really gnarley if we had an app that attempted to generate a 3d .g file from those images (random thought) |
| 15:54.22 | brlcad | ``Erik: put in for a dri :) |
| 15:54.36 | ``Erik | http://www.math.ubc.ca/~cass/Euclid/ybc/ybc.html are the images in question |
| 15:54.39 | brlcad | that's not far off from what I proposed a few years gack |
| 15:56.27 | ``Erik | babylonion geometric theory, pheer |
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| 16:24.03 | brlcad | waves to madant |
| 16:44.59 | madant | waves back |
| 16:45.10 | ``Erik | does the wave, too |
| 16:46.18 | madant | all we need is a little resonance for an IRC disaster :) |
| 16:48.14 | madant | brlcad: did u have a look at the draft ? |
| 16:48.47 | brlcad | madant: briefly, reading in more detail later today |
| 16:49.17 | brlcad | er, no -- yours was to the list, yes I did read that |
| 16:49.50 | madant | will be back after dinner :) |
| 16:53.03 | brlcad | resounding comment to offer would be that I'd like you to emphasize achieving some actual user-visible integration/impact this summer, even if it means leaving some portions not quite resolved (like the grammar, or even portions of the solving framework) |
| 16:59.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34123 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 16:59.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: annotate intent to add material objects, shader objects, and image objects to v5 |
| 16:59.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: as has been discussed and mused over the years. really need material objects |
| 16:59.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: soon, which implies having shader objects even sooner. image objects can wait, |
| 16:59.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: though. |
| 17:01.05 | ``Erik | is kinda wishing he had a glidepad on his desktop :/ |
| 17:03.57 | madant | brlcad: true, i'd like for some visible integration myself :) Nothing helps further progress like a basic working system. |
| 17:04.17 | madant | and the actual issues will come up only when things are user-visible |
| 17:05.08 | madant | I think i could spend less time on the "perfect solver" and devote that time to user-interfacing |
| 17:05.43 | madant | ``Erik, glidepad ? |
| 17:07.18 | ``Erik | um, touchpad |
| 17:07.44 | ``Erik | the macbook is spoiling me with that bigassed glass beast |
| 17:08.05 | ``Erik | having to actually push a mouse button down sucks :D |
| 17:08.08 | ``Erik | </whine> |
| 17:09.27 | madant | ``Erik, :P don't be too lazy :D |
| 17:09.54 | madant | doesnt like the mouse at all |
| 17:10.51 | madant | though engineering-wise pretty neat for its time :) |
| 17:11.00 | ``Erik | well, having to click a small 'next' button 68 times is a bitch, the mouse tends to want to move, on my lappie, I'd just tap and not think about the location of the pointer, making it a soft 'next' button of its own |
| 17:11.10 | ``Erik | its time? you mean like '62? :D |
| 17:11.58 | ``Erik | 68, rather |
| 17:12.14 | madant | was just now checking that |
| 17:12.30 | ``Erik | doug engelbart, though the trackball was '52 |
| 17:12.52 | madant | wow 52 .. :D must have looked like a monster :) |
| 17:13.30 | ``Erik | picture doesn't make it look too bad, canadian 5-pin ball (which is about the size of a modern 'good' trackball) |
| 17:13.37 | ``Erik | there's a pic on the wikipedia article for meeces |
| 17:14.37 | madant | ah well looks straight out of a science fiction b/w movie |
| 17:15.27 | madant | "cutting edge" has progressed a lot in 50 years :) |
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| 17:40.32 | brlcad | madant: yeah, I think that'd be *really* good to focus on -- pick one user-visible goal for the project and then organize your activities around making that happen on the backend, only exactly what's needed for that feature |
| 17:41.56 | brlcad | like you could make a 'validate' tool that calls the prep/constraint validation checks for a few primitives |
| 17:42.45 | brlcad | or the ability inside mged to create a parametric equation object that talks to other objects and will evaluate |
| 17:42.56 | brlcad | something succint and visible |
| 17:45.14 | ``Erik | wonders if dwaynes g_qa gui would be a good soc project? |
| 17:45.17 | madant | sounds logical , and very rigorously measurable too in terms of progress :) |
| 17:46.12 | brlcad | ``Erik: yeah, absolutely |
| 17:46.26 | brlcad | or better yet, a plugin in the new gui |
| 17:46.34 | brlcad | if said plugin underpinnings was in place |
| 17:48.20 | madant | g_qa gui ? |
| 17:50.03 | brlcad | yeah |
| 17:50.42 | ``Erik | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2717388&group_id=105292&atid=640805 |
| 17:51.32 | madant | ``Erik, was reading that ;) |
| 17:52.13 | ``Erik | of course, there's been discussion about that in person between a few different people that isn't reflected in the tracker yet :) |
| 17:53.04 | ``Erik | like storing plot files in the .g for easy resource mgmt/transfer. whether it's a seperate app, part of mged (or archer or whatever), or all of the above |
| 17:53.08 | ``Erik | etc |
| 17:53.47 | madant | brlcad: plugin underpinnings ? |
| 17:57.38 | brlcad | madant: the thin-client gui is supposed to be a heavily plugin-based architecture (on the front-end and back-end) |
| 17:58.18 | brlcad | hm, that reminds m e |
| 17:59.44 | madant | aha, an extensible gui :) nice.. seems like brl-cad is going to look quite different in the coming days ;) |
| 18:00.59 | brlcad | madant: that is all part of the plan, yes |
| 18:01.21 | brlcad | all in line with things spelled out here: http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 18:01.31 | brlcad | just more of the details on how |
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| 18:12.09 | Malyce | hi ? |
| 18:12.32 | Malyce | I am new to IRC :P |
| 18:13.39 | Malyce | I had a couple of questions about the idea of implementing an API for BRL-CAD |
| 18:14.30 | ``Erik | ok? |
| 18:15.05 | Malyce | oh |
| 18:15.15 | Malyce | are you the admin ? |
| 18:15.34 | ``Erik | I think I'm tagged as one of them O.o just ask your questions, they'll get answered (eventually) |
| 18:15.59 | Malyce | I was wondering whether there was some work already done in the direction. |
| 18:16.15 | Malyce | ALso, what part of the code should I try to read, to get an understanding |
| 18:16.20 | Malyce | ? |
| 18:18.17 | Malyce | I would think that creating an API would involve knowing the core aspects of the geometry engine of BRL |
| 18:20.04 | Malyce | Is the Doxy of the code unavailable ? It seems so from the website |
| 18:20.59 | Malyce | I had done some research on BRL last year. I was unable to find documentation for the code. Is it just me, or is documentation played down in the open source industry ? |
| 18:27.50 | madant | Malyce: Doxy is there but not very updated, depends on the part of brl-cad code you were looking up. |
| 18:28.04 | madant | did u check out the svn and try building the doxygen output ? |
| 18:28.34 | madant | :) I am a last year gsoc participant and found brl-cad's code pretty well commented ;) |
| 18:34.22 | Malyce | I am trying it out now |
| 18:34.38 | Malyce | Ok, but I wanted to look at a sort of overview, if you know what I mean |
| 18:34.46 | Malyce | doxy is so nice |
| 18:47.48 | Malyce | Can you point me to the Doxy config file ? |
| 18:57.24 | ``Erik | misc/Doxyfile |
| 19:10.00 | brlcad | howdy Malyce |
| 19:23.49 | Malyce | hiya |
| 19:26.47 | brlcad | Malyce: there is actually a lot of documentation, it's just not neatly organized and in lots of places |
| 19:27.56 | brlcad | the code is pretty well commented throughout, but there is also this |
| 19:27.56 | brlcad | http://brlcad.sourceforge.net/doxygen/index.html |
| 19:28.30 | brlcad | was last ran a couple years ago -- but the api of the libs hasn't really changed in a drastic way since then |
| 19:28.37 | Malyce | thanks |
| 19:28.42 | Malyce | makes my life easier |
| 19:28.49 | brlcad | someone(tm) should get the doxygen system updating automatically on brlcad.org of course... :) |
| 19:32.30 | Malyce | I have some API experience |
| 19:33.12 | Malyce | in that, I have been working as an RA to formalize Solidworks. I used the VBA API for SW |
| 19:33.48 | Malyce | But, I have never developed an API. I do have C/C++ exp, 6 yrs plus of Uni and high school |
| 19:34.02 | Malyce | so, I was wondering whether I was qualified for the job. |
| 19:34.40 | Malyce | I don't really know where I would start, to design an API. Reading a lot of wikipedia right now. |
| 19:36.11 | Malyce | But I assume, the basic premise is that the API is linked to the Geometry engine for the output to user, and for the input from the user, it feeds it back. |
| 19:36.45 | Malyce | So, I should take a close look at the how the GUI interfaces with BRL, because that is the same interface that the API would use ? |
| 19:37.30 | Malyce | Any pointers, where this would be ? |
| 19:39.30 | Malyce | So, one of the GUIs is MGED. |
| 19:43.40 | Malyce | The GUI seems to be primitive. Is there a way to use BRL-CAD, command line ? |
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| 19:58.16 | Malyce | Found the cmd line in MGED. Is there a brief explanation of the BRL code structure somewhere. I can understand the doxygen, but I can't seem to get the overally structure of BRL. Am I being retarded ? |
| 20:01.01 | Malyce | Am I missing something obvious ? |
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| 20:13.19 | Malyce | For example , where is the GUI initialisation done ? |
| 20:13.35 | Malyce | in Libdm ? |
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| 21:11.09 | brlcad | Malyce: sorry for the delays, busy day :) |
| 21:11.17 | brlcad | gimme a sec and I"ll answer all the ?'s |
| 21:11.33 | Malyce | np |
| 21:15.00 | ``Erik | didn't know that poking a smoke detector with a measuring tape constituted 'busy' :D *duck* |
| 21:16.17 | alex_joni | ``Erik: flaming measuring tape? |
| 21:22.43 | ``Erik | measuring tapes wearing mesh shirts and cutoffs? O.o |
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| 21:44.03 | mafm | hi there |
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| 22:26.51 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
| 22:27.01 | Ralith | hullo mafm |
| 22:27.44 | brlcad | Malyce: an RA? revenue assurance? |
| 22:28.18 | mafm | - Cubit/g-sat.cxx |
| 22:28.20 | mafm | + Cubit/g-sat.cpp |
| 22:28.34 | mafm | ``Erik was ranting about cpp a few days ago.. :D |
| 22:28.52 | brlcad | he rants about a lot of things |
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| 22:30.30 | brlcad | Malyce: as for overall structure, read volume I under docs on the website (the first doc link) for some basic philosophy, as well as HACKING file (near the middle is a description of the various dirs), and perhaps src/README for a little more detail |
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| 22:31.31 | brlcad | Malyce: depending on which API you're referring to, it actually has very little to do with the GUI -- more to do with the geometry engine |
| 22:31.51 | brlcad | there's a project to build up a geometry API similar to the acis/granite/etc engines |
| 22:33.14 | Malyce | Research Assistant |
| 22:33.18 | brlcad | if you want to work on the gui, there are a couple specific projects possible in that regard |
| 22:33.18 | Malyce | sorry for the confusion |
| 22:33.25 | brlcad | ahh, okay |
| 22:33.50 | Malyce | not really |
| 22:33.57 | Malyce | I wanted to work on the API |
| 22:34.07 | Malyce | I thought it would be interesting |
| 22:34.10 | brlcad | 'the API' .. what does that mean to you? |
| 22:34.21 | brlcad | there are many APIs in BRL-CAD |
| 22:34.26 | brlcad | there are a dozen libraries |
| 22:34.27 | objorn | what is the benchmark suite? |
| 22:35.07 | brlcad | objorn: the benchmark suite is a toolchain that will evaluate your system performance and report a performance metric that very closely represents your expected computation capacity |
| 22:35.50 | objorn | interesting |
| 22:36.00 | brlcad | reports a statistical measurement (similar to GFLOPS but unrelated) of your performance that traces back through a couple decades of computing |
| 22:36.00 | Ralith | also, verify render results with known-good images |
| 22:36.07 | Malyce | OOP Geometry API |
| 22:36.26 | objorn | this is useful for? |
| 22:36.33 | brlcad | yeah, it's also a verification / test suite |
| 22:36.57 | Malyce | Does it mean, that I will be summarizing the existing interfaces into a bigger interface, which will be more standardized |
| 22:36.57 | brlcad | objorn: to know how fast a machine is under real-world use |
| 22:37.12 | brlcad | Malyce: an, no -- not for the OOP Geometry API |
| 22:37.29 | brlcad | the OOP geometry api is basically developing something like the ACIS engine for BRL-CAD |
| 22:37.31 | objorn | ah, so if there's a deadline, you'll have a good idea of how much more computer power you need or when to start |
| 22:37.57 | ``Erik | *rantrantrant* :D |
| 22:38.31 | brlcad | we presently have the extensive LIBRT library API which provides most geometry services but it's not very clean/organized, not OO, and lacking some features |
| 22:38.38 | Malyce | Does it mean, that I will be summarizing the existing interfaces into a bigger interface, which will be more standardized ? |
| 22:38.43 | brlcad | objorn: one possible use, sure |
| 22:38.55 | brlcad | objorn: also very useful when buying new hardware |
| 22:39.01 | Malyce | so, the new API interface will just provide a nicer interface ? |
| 22:39.18 | Malyce | to an existing set of interfaces |
| 22:39.55 | brlcad | new computer vender comes out with a new system, claims it'll be 5x faster than the previous version... this gives a very accurate unbiased measurement that makes it really easy to compare one machine to another under controllable conditions |
| 22:40.07 | brlcad | Malyce: on top of the existing set of interfaces, yet |
| 22:40.10 | brlcad | s/yet/yes |
| 22:40.48 | starseeker | makes note to self to look at reorganizing the header files in include to be in subdirectories pertaining to individul libraries |
| 22:40.53 | brlcad | Malyce: have you ever worked with granite or acis? |
| 22:41.04 | Malyce | I have worked with the SW API only |
| 22:41.06 | starseeker | checks if that is in the TODO... |
| 22:42.06 | Malyce | SW: Solidworks |
| 22:42.34 | brlcad | very similar |
| 22:42.59 | brlcad | there is a project already under way related to this api in the rt^3 module |
| 22:43.10 | Malyce | the API you want to implement should be similar to that used by Solidworks ? |
| 22:43.34 | Malyce | If there is a project already underway, is it still possible for me to apply with this idea ? |
| 22:44.07 | brlcad | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/rt^3/trunk/src/ |
| 22:44.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34128 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: Add a note to look into reorganizing the headers so it is clearer which .h files pertain to individual libraries. |
| 22:44.22 | brlcad | Malyce: of course, just means you won't be working in isolation |
| 22:44.28 | brlcad | you have to coordinate with the other developers |
| 22:44.49 | Malyce | So, the specs have already been decided, and the structure has been set ? |
| 22:44.51 | brlcad | doable, just have to work on the API and be involved in a lot of discussions |
| 22:45.03 | brlcad | none of the gsoc projects are meant to be done by students alone :) |
| 22:45.22 | brlcad | some of the structure is set, most is a work in progress that will continue to evolve |
| 22:45.31 | Malyce | And any new programmer, just has to follow the pattern already established. i.e, the programming method implemented so far ? |
| 22:45.34 | Malyce | I see |
| 22:45.39 | brlcad | the engine has to take into accout, for example, what our existing libraries already do |
| 22:45.47 | brlcad | so that you can leverage those facilities |
| 22:45.51 | brlcad | and not reinvent the wheel |
| 22:46.07 | brlcad | we don't want you to reimplement what has already been done |
| 22:46.30 | brlcad | it's more about making a clean API that can be grown and tested that we will want to use in our own tools |
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| 22:47.01 | brlcad | coreInterface and GeometryEngine are the two main efforts thusfar -- those two need to merge at some point |
| 22:47.28 | Malyce | Would it be possible for me to get the specs so far ? |
| 22:47.47 | brlcad | most of what is available is on the wiki or on the website |
| 22:47.57 | Malyce | I will read through it |
| 22:48.12 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Developer_Documents |
| 22:48.22 | brlcad | "BRL-CAD's core C++ interface" is one |
| 22:48.56 | brlcad | "Geometry Service" is another, closely related, but more focusing on something a layer above the C++ API |
| 22:49.35 | brlcad | and finally, more at http://brlcad.org/wiki/IBME_GeometryEngine |
| 22:49.56 | brlcad | that core interface effort and the ibme ge work are the two that need to merge |
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| 22:52.32 | cad85 | hello tanmay! |
| 22:52.54 | cad85 | we know you are hereeee!! |
| 22:53.22 | Ralith | O.o |
| 22:53.32 | Malyce | 0.o |
| 22:53.53 | brlcad | cad85: who is tanmay? |
| 22:53.59 | cad85 | if you are wondering what i am saying i am just greeting my friend |
| 22:55.38 | cad85 | bye |
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| 22:55.58 | Ralith | that was odd. |
| 22:56.07 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:56.42 | Malyce | uh please ignore them |
| 22:56.48 | ``Erik | hm, if'n ya GSOCers haven't put your proposal up on the goog site yet, do it soon |
| 22:56.49 | Malyce | friends playing a prank |
| 22:57.07 | ``Erik | they're trying to get estimates for how many proposals there will be (I believe you can edit them once you put them up) |
| 22:57.30 | Ralith | has done so. |
| 22:57.37 | ``Erik | ralith++ |
| 22:57.37 | brlcad | ~ralith++ |
| 22:57.42 | brlcad | fail! |
| 22:57.45 | Ralith | :D |
| 22:57.49 | mafm | ERIK FAIL |
| 22:57.59 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:58.03 | ``Erik | has no interest in manipulating that steaming pile of bot |
| 22:58.11 | ``Erik | just making a general statement :) |
| 22:59.06 | Ralith | is there a list of who's mentoring somewhere? |
| 22:59.54 | ``Erik | yeah |
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| 23:06.43 | Ralith | hehe |
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| 23:08.52 | Malyce | With regards to Geometry Services, why would you need a layer above C++ API ? |
| 23:11.23 | brlcad | it's a distributed network service interface |
| 23:11.47 | brlcad | a way to bridge communication with other applications what want to remain loosely coupled |
| 23:12.45 | brlcad | e.g., a java application that wanted to access brl-cad geometry, get display lists, shoot rays, but not have to maintain a JNI wrapper or be tied to binary distribution issues |
| 23:13.43 | brlcad | or even in our own tool so that we can have a service talk to other geometry servers, allow distributed shared access to geometry, etc |
| 23:16.44 | ``Erik | so is v6 going to keep the 'flat' namespace or move to an fs like heirarchal one? |
| 23:19.20 | brlcad | it'll be more like svn -- you talk over a protocol and something happens on the backend |
| 23:19.55 | Malyce | Will the Geometry API be expected to perform such tasks as well ? |
| 23:20.03 | brlcad | Malyce: not at all |
| 23:22.55 | Malyce | Thanks a lot for your help. Goodnight. |
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| 23:44.33 | ``Erik | we don't take kindly to folk who don't take kindly 'round here |
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| 01:20.07 | yukonbob | http://pastebin.ca/1378510 |
| 01:20.14 | yukonbob | ^--- another build issue |
| 01:20.22 | yukonbob | (hello, cadheads |
| 01:20.23 | yukonbob | ) |
| 01:21.03 | Ralith | looks like you're not linking to libstdc++ |
| 01:21.11 | Ralith | but isn't librt all C? |
| 01:21.35 | yukonbob | Ralith: re: all C -- no idea. |
| 01:22.25 | yukonbob | re: libstdc++ agreed... (/me not a C++ person)...so I'm only one experiencing this, I guess... |
| 01:22.39 | Ralith | what're you trying to do? |
| 01:22.52 | yukonbob | just ./autogen.sh, configure ,make |
| 01:23.11 | yukonbob | is SVN co |
| 01:23.31 | yukonbob | 34122, fwiw |
| 02:01.47 | mafm | night |
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| 03:26.10 | brlcad | Ralith: librt's api is all C, but some of the implementation details involve a C++ library (openNURBS) |
| 03:26.25 | brlcad | so you end up needing libc++ |
| 03:26.27 | Ralith | ah, right |
| 03:26.42 | Ralith | what was wrong with yukonbob's setup? |
| 03:29.02 | brlcad | the test for libc++ probably failed |
| 03:29.30 | brlcad | it's trying to link the 'comb' program there |
| 03:29.42 | brlcad | comb only uses librt.la and it's dependent RT_LIBS |
| 03:29.53 | brlcad | RT_LIBS="${BN} ${BN_LIBS} ${BU} ${BU_LIBS} ${REGEX} ${LIBM} ${SYSV} ${OPENNURBS}" |
| 03:30.10 | brlcad | OPENNURBS='${top_builddir}/src/other/openNURBS/libopenNURBS.la ${LIBSTDCXX}' |
| 03:30.42 | brlcad | so my guess is he actually doesn't have a libstdc++ |
| 03:31.16 | brlcad | configure should probably warn very verbosely if that happens, just pretty rare |
| 03:31.32 | brlcad | but it's also rather compiler-dependent |
| 03:34.26 | Ralith | I can't imagine a system not having libstdc++ O.o |
| 03:35.36 | brlcad | note to students that haven't posted their app yet, you're supposed to submit what you have, whatever you have ASAP so they can get a headcount |
| 03:36.39 | pacman87 | takes note |
| 03:42.14 | Ralith | which they is this? |
| 03:42.16 | Ralith | google? |
| 03:42.23 | brlcad | yes |
| 03:42.40 | brlcad | they're trying to decide whether to extend the deadline or not |
| 03:42.44 | Ralith | ah. |
| 03:42.53 | brlcad | which I suppose should mean don't submit it if you want them to extend it :) |
| 03:43.01 | Ralith | heh |
| 03:43.09 | pacman87 | does BRL-CAD have a generalized nth order equation solver? |
| 03:43.42 | brlcad | pacman87: generalized, but the maximum n is compile-time limited |
| 03:44.02 | brlcad | not sure how stable it is at higher orders |
| 03:44.31 | pacman87 | ah. i was trying to see how to gracefully degrade for higher-order splines that didn't have analytical solutions |
| 03:45.29 | brlcad | rt_poly_roots() |
| 03:45.38 | brlcad | see src/util/roots_example.c |
| 03:47.12 | brlcad | ran a performance analysis last year and was shocked to find that we outperform almost everyone, just a couple obscure solvers that came within 10% |
| 03:48.13 | pacman87 | my revolve approach collapses the 3d intersection to 2d by converting the ray line into a hyperbola |
| 03:48.23 | pacman87 | so i'd intersect the spline with a hyperbola |
| 03:48.31 | yukonbob | waves to pacman87 |
| 03:48.36 | yukonbob | waves to brlcad |
| 03:48.37 | pacman87 | waves back |
| 03:48.54 | yukonbob | waves to anybody within raytracing distance |
| 03:49.19 | pacman87 | activates a cloak and returns zero-length hit segments :P |
| 03:49.27 | brlcad | given raytracing uses infinite rays, wouldn't that be everyone? :) |
| 03:49.43 | yukonbob | they could be obscured, I was thinking. |
| 03:50.05 | yukonbob | should know better than to bastardize tech. with a bunch of ubernerds |
| 03:50.26 | yukonbob | rays are bounded by #brlcad |
| 03:50.27 | yukonbob | ;) |
| 03:50.43 | brlcad | plus we're one of the few raytracers that be default evaluates all points on the ray, not just first hit like most |
| 03:51.04 | brlcad | for analysis and solid modeling purposes ;) |
| 03:51.13 | yukonbob | go figure! |
| 03:51.56 | yukonbob | reads scrollback to see if other comments on latest pastebin... |
| 03:52.18 | yukonbob | sees comments |
| 03:52.47 | brlcad | pacman87: what kind of spline? |
| 03:53.10 | pacman87 | the 2-d spline from the sketch primitive |
| 03:55.08 | yukonbob | /usr/lib/libstdc++.a |
| 03:55.09 | yukonbob | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so |
| 03:55.09 | yukonbob | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 03:55.09 | yukonbob | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0 |
| 03:55.09 | yukonbob | /usr/lib/libstdc++_p.a |
| 03:55.11 | yukonbob | /usr/lib/libstdc++_pic.a |
| 03:55.19 | yukonbob | ^-- from "locate" |
| 03:55.54 | yukonbob | is there such a think as libc++? |
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| 04:00.29 | brlcad | yukonbob: no, those are it |
| 04:00.41 | brlcad | so what did configure report for the libstdc++ test? |
| 04:00.49 | brlcad | it's int he config.log and/or in your configure output |
| 04:02.04 | brlcad | pacman87: no, I mean what order and type |
| 04:02.16 | AlexandreGuedes | Hello |
| 04:02.19 | brlcad | b-spline? nurbs curve, bezier? |
| 04:02.37 | brlcad | nth order, limited to 4th order? |
| 04:02.43 | brlcad | howdy AlexandreGuedes |
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| 04:05.11 | AlexandreGuedes_ | brlcad: I would like to know if develop importers and exporters would be important |
| 04:05.30 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: importers and exporters are always cool to have |
| 04:05.36 | yukonbob | brlcad: will rebuild and check. |
| 04:05.49 | brlcad | especially if it's a format you're pretty familiar with |
| 04:06.08 | brlcad | or if it's just a really important importer that we don't have or need improved |
| 04:06.31 | pacman87 | brlcad: since the hyperbola of the converted ray is second order, i had started last year with a limit of 2nd order splines |
| 04:06.50 | AlexandreGuedes_ | I already developed some importers for opengl |
| 04:07.53 | brlcad | pacman87: it's perhaps worth noting that there are specific spline solvers within the code as well (though not in as pretty polynomial form) |
| 04:08.10 | brlcad | but 2nd order should be perfectly fine for the general solver |
| 04:08.20 | Ralith | AlexandreGuedes_: what formats might you work with? |
| 04:08.23 | AlexandreGuedes_ | brlcad: My it doubts was if that is really important |
| 04:08.34 | AlexandreGuedes_ | obj and vrml |
| 04:08.42 | Ralith | pretty sure we already have vrml |
| 04:09.23 | AlexandreGuedes_ | but i can develop othres |
| 04:09.27 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: those are two pretty popular formats, would be very useful to have .. would have to have a plan for what would happen if you finish early though |
| 04:09.28 | AlexandreGuedes_ | others |
| 04:09.56 | brlcad | Ralith: there are exporters for both of those but neither has an importer |
| 04:09.59 | Ralith | ahh. |
| 04:10.11 | brlcad | surprisingly enough .. the importer is actually even easier |
| 04:10.18 | AlexandreGuedes_ | I could develop how many I get |
| 04:11.06 | AlexandreGuedes_ | after i can get Global illumination renderer |
| 04:11.16 | AlexandreGuedes_ | if i have tiem |
| 04:11.20 | brlcad | I'd expect those two importers would really only take a week or so each actually, maybe even just a few days each .. depends on how extensive you get into the obj format |
| 04:11.23 | AlexandreGuedes_ | time* |
| 04:12.03 | brlcad | their exporters are more involved |
| 04:12.13 | brlcad | mm.. global illum would be awesome |
| 04:12.16 | AlexandreGuedes_ | hmmm |
| 04:12.29 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: have you worked on global illumination and rendering before? |
| 04:13.45 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: I would suggest if you can make the time, to submit two applications just so you have a better chance of getting selected on your abilities more than the priority of what it is you're proposing to work on |
| 04:13.50 | AlexandreGuedes_ | little |
| 04:14.41 | brlcad | but yeah, those sound like great areas to be proposed |
| 04:14.44 | brlcad | either or both |
| 04:14.49 | AlexandreGuedes_ | i like use openGL and C there is other intersting idea ? |
| 04:15.01 | brlcad | wouldn't mixt the global illum on the same proposal though |
| 04:15.44 | AlexandreGuedes_ | ok. |
| 04:16.14 | brlcad | there's an entire opengl GUI project, but that will likely be pretty competitive |
| 04:16.41 | brlcad | you could always propose your own project as well |
| 04:18.01 | Ralith | there's that -> OpenGL/C interactive program exporter |
| 04:18.10 | Ralith | that'd be pretty cool |
| 04:18.28 | AlexandreGuedes_ | how interactive ?? |
| 04:18.50 | brlcad | Ralith: oh you mean on the orange ideas page? |
| 04:18.53 | Ralith | yeah |
| 04:19.00 | brlcad | right |
| 04:19.05 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: it's another exporter idea |
| 04:19.08 | brlcad | see, http://brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html |
| 04:19.15 | Ralith | AlexandreGuedes_: free camera movement/zoom would probably cover it fine. |
| 04:19.24 | Ralith | along with some way to select what region(s) to show |
| 04:19.46 | brlcad | having an exporter/importer that dumps out opengl code (display lists, direct mode calls, retained mode, etc) |
| 04:19.57 | Ralith | oh, that kind of thing! |
| 04:20.00 | Ralith | that works too. |
| 04:20.18 | Ralith | of course, you'd have to tesselate everything first and I'm not sure how easy that is w/o the brep stuff finished yet. |
| 04:20.38 | AlexandreGuedes_ | i can figure out |
| 04:20.56 | brlcad | Ralith: not necessarily |
| 04:21.01 | Ralith | oh? |
| 04:21.04 | brlcad | glu has some primitives |
| 04:21.19 | brlcad | has nurbs surfaces, for example |
| 04:21.26 | Ralith | yeah, but you can't subtract/intersect them, can you? |
| 04:21.27 | brlcad | and various quadrics |
| 04:22.12 | Ralith | I guess you could just tesselate the regions that involved subtraction/intersection, or even just the relevant sets of primitives |
| 04:22.14 | brlcad | no, you'd still have to have evaluated CSG, just wouldn't necessarily need to tessellate or sample |
| 04:22.49 | Ralith | er, how do you manage, then? |
| 04:23.07 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: I like the idea for converters, do apply :) |
| 04:23.22 | AlexandreGuedes_ | hum.. |
| 04:23.24 | brlcad | but do plan/mention for more than those two |
| 04:23.44 | AlexandreGuedes_ | i'll offer something |
| 04:23.50 | brlcad | and them maybe a non-converter backup in an area that interests you |
| 04:24.00 | brlcad | cool |
| 04:24.22 | AlexandreGuedes_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.35 | AlexandreGuedes_ | if i have* |
| 04:25.27 | pacman87 | AlexandreGuedes_: submit it early and get feedback - you can update it until the deadline |
| 04:25.47 | pacman87 | should follow that advice, too |
| 04:26.04 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: absolutely, and what pacman87 said :) |
| 04:26.33 | Ralith | oh yeah that reminds me |
| 04:26.40 | AlexandreGuedes_ | thanks a lot |
| 04:26.48 | Ralith | I'm going to be on a bit less (not completely gone, though) until monday |
| 04:27.05 | AlexandreGuedes_ | last question... There is already much submissions ? |
| 04:27.46 | AlexandreGuedes_ | many submissions *** |
| 04:27.51 | brlcad | and for anyone that's wondering/working/waiting, don't let not having a patch stop you from submitting your proposal -- there's time after the deadline |
| 04:28.07 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: no, submissions are way down this year .. so you're chances are pretty good |
| 04:28.49 | brlcad | also, the more detail in your proposal, the better .. that's the biggest problem with most proposals |
| 04:28.54 | brlcad | not enough detail/information |
| 04:29.12 | brlcad | say how, what, why, when, where.. ;) |
| 04:29.37 | AlexandreGuedes_ | ok no detail |
| 04:29.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:30.19 | AlexandreGuedes_ | where are you from ? |
| 04:30.48 | pacman87 | UT Austin |
| 04:30.48 | brlcad | Panama |
| 04:31.16 | brlcad | lives in Maryland USA |
| 04:32.05 | AlexandreGuedes_ | I'm from Brazil.. |
| 04:32.17 | brlcad | your IP is a give-away |
| 04:32.59 | AlexandreGuedes_ | my ? |
| 04:33.11 | brlcad | yeah, brazil ip/dns |
| 04:36.02 | AlexandreGuedes_ | And about most of others brl-cad developers... |
| 04:36.48 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: all over -- usa, germany, portugal, india, netherlands, and spain come to mind |
| 04:37.25 | brlcad | wanders off to nap before his morning row in four hours |
| 04:37.44 | brlcad | laments |
| 04:38.11 | Ralith | a whole four hours? |
| 04:38.15 | Ralith | you're killing yourself, you know. |
| 04:38.48 | pacman87 | brlcad doesn't need sleep, he just takes naps every few days |
| 04:38.49 | brlcad | I know, saddens the soul |
| 04:40.02 | brlcad | need some rest before the really hard workout though.. or it can be a painful row |
| 04:40.03 | brlcad | waves |
| 04:41.54 | AlexandreGuedes_ | April Fool's Day |
| 04:42.32 | AlexandreGuedes_ | In Brazil is already |
| 04:43.58 | AlexandreGuedes_ | there is april fool's day in USA ? |
| 04:44.21 | pacman87 | yes |
| 04:44.56 | starseeker | laments the "All news sites will be annoying for a day" day |
| 04:45.33 | starseeker | although it is morbidly amusing to see slashdot's standards for news actually drop - hard to believe it's possible :-P |
| 04:50.31 | Ralith | slashdot? Lower its standards? |
| 04:50.33 | Ralith | Madness! |
| 05:11.00 | yukonbob | checking whether the Standard C++ library is available... no |
| 05:11.10 | yukonbob | ^---... but no "loud complaints" |
| 05:33.59 | Ralith | weird. |
| 06:02.03 | yukonbob | will review tmorrow |
| 06:02.11 | yukonbob | for now, zeeeeeeeeeee |
| 06:02.40 | pacman87 | goodnight |
| 06:02.53 | pacman87 | still has 200 pages of gov to read for the test thurs |
| 06:12.00 | AlexandreGuedes_ | good night |
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| 08:42.33 | brlcad | yawns |
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| 10:01.41 | mafm | hi pplz |
| 10:02.24 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
| 10:03.46 | mafm | mmm, it's too early, go back to bed brlcad! |
| 10:03.48 | mafm | :P |
| 10:03.53 | brlcad | heh |
| 10:07.53 | Ralith | hey mafm |
| 10:07.56 | Ralith | brlcad doesn't have a bed |
| 10:08.01 | Ralith | he just slumps over on his desk now and then |
| 10:09.12 | brlcad | back in my younger days, I could just lay down right on the floor, however hard/cold, wherever I was at and have a perfectly good couple-hour nap |
| 10:09.45 | mafm | oh, I see... so that's the backspace key stamped in his forehead... :) |
| 10:11.06 | mafm | hmm, so the number of proposals for gsoc is that low, really? |
| 10:11.20 | mafm | (I mean in general, not only in brl-cad) |
| 10:11.28 | Ralith | shh, don't tell anyone |
| 10:11.31 | Ralith | I like my good odds :] |
| 10:11.34 | brlcad | :) |
| 10:11.44 | _sushi_ | brlcad: what do you call younger days? |
| 10:11.47 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, many like me are still working on them :) |
| 10:11.54 | hippieindamakin8 | _many_ |
| 10:12.18 | Ralith | many? |
| 10:12.52 | brlcad | _sushi_: days before today |
| 10:13.01 | _sushi_ | I turned 30 recently |
| 10:13.05 | _sushi_ | I feel like middle aged |
| 10:13.07 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: whatchya planning on applying for? |
| 10:13.10 | _sushi_ | I am already training the coffin jump |
| 10:13.25 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: well, deadline is in a couple of days :) |
| 10:13.47 | _sushi_ | I didn't manage to get a relationship before 30 |
| 10:14.02 | _sushi_ | But with a lot of hard work I at least managed to get sex before 30! Wohoo! I made it! |
| 10:14.02 | Ralith | aw. |
| 10:14.06 | Ralith | hehe |
| 10:14.14 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, mafm i am applying for the brep evaluation |
| 10:14.18 | _sushi_ | Lot of brute force sifting through the population helped |
| 10:14.19 | Ralith | oo, cool! |
| 10:14.23 | Ralith | best of luck to you! |
| 10:14.26 | Ralith | that stuff needs doing. |
| 10:14.37 | _sushi_ | brlcad: how old are you now? |
| 10:14.47 | mafm | _sushi_: congrats! |
| 10:14.50 | _sushi_ | brlcad: do you have kidneys like bricks now from sleeping on cold floor? |
| 10:14.51 | _sushi_ | mafm: thanks |
| 10:15.06 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, i am going through some research papers. Busy schedule at school is making it really difficult for me to concentrate here :( |
| 10:15.08 | brlcad | nope |
| 10:15.30 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: just don't hestitate to submit a draft app early. |
| 10:15.36 | Ralith | you can always revise. |
| 10:15.41 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, sure :) |
| 10:15.54 | brlcad | mostly just back pain from having too much bad posture, accumulated over time -- only reason floor-sleeping isn't so satisfying now |
| 10:16.23 | Ralith | I can only floorsleep and such when I'm really short on rest |
| 10:16.27 | Ralith | and I'm pretty young |
| 10:17.04 | brlcad | congratulates _sushi_ for getting his cherry popped before 30. heh. |
| 10:17.07 | Ralith | guess that comes from having a bed right next to my workstation |
| 10:17.14 | _sushi_ | lol |
| 10:17.24 | _sushi_ | I am sure there are nerds who get even worse rate than 30 years |
| 10:17.33 | mafm | brlcad: odd, I have a hairdresser friend who lies in the floor after work, her backache is relieved |
| 10:17.36 | Ralith | did RMS ever get laid? |
| 10:18.09 | _sushi_ | RMS might profit from a gym |
| 10:18.13 | brlcad | mafm: hopefully not at the office.. lot of hair on the floor :) |
| 10:18.34 | mafm | Ralith: he did AFAIK, at least he had a mexican girlfriend a while ago (that's why he learned spanish) |
| 10:18.50 | _sushi_ | oh |
| 10:18.55 | _sushi_ | I hope he didn't manage that before 30 |
| 10:19.00 | _sushi_ | because then I would feel really asocial |
| 10:19.03 | Ralith | lol |
| 10:19.06 | _sushi_ | Girlfriend! |
| 10:19.11 | _sushi_ | I didn't even get into that level. |
| 10:19.14 | _sushi_ | What's the cheat code? |
| 10:19.28 | mafm | brlcad: I guess that he does it privately, but I'm not so intimate friend as to ask some of the related questions :) |
| 10:19.28 | _sushi_ | iddbf? |
| 10:19.52 | mafm | well, stallman must be in his fifties or older now |
| 10:19.57 | _sushi_ | OK good |
| 10:20.06 | _sushi_ | there are still people who are more asocial than me |
| 10:20.07 | Ralith | considering he was in college in the 80s, right? |
| 10:20.22 | brlcad | he's 56 |
| 10:20.25 | mafm | he was already at mit ai lab in the late 70s I think |
| 10:20.34 | Ralith | oh, right |
| 10:20.49 | hippieindamakin8 | => RMS might have been a hippie too :P |
| 10:20.56 | Ralith | I'm always disconcerted when I hear about AI research that long ago |
| 10:21.06 | Ralith | I generally think of computer research as stuff that gets worked out pretty quick |
| 10:21.31 | _sushi_ | hippieindamakin8: I guess he still looks like one |
| 10:21.42 | mafm | Linus met his wife teaching inet to non-it ppl at univ, telling her to write him email for practicing (nice trick, that) |
| 10:21.47 | brlcad | Ralith: it often is .. then there are research papers for three decades afterwards that all claim to have done it again for the first time ;) |
| 10:22.03 | Ralith | lol |
| 10:22.15 | Ralith | reminds me of something I've noticed |
| 10:22.49 | Ralith | having toyed with graphics programming some, I've noticed that it usually takes 5+ years for something somebody successfully demonstrated in a thesis to actually be implemented in a commercial game |
| 10:22.53 | mafm | most of the work in mit ai lab by that time was to create OSs and lisp machines, I think :) |
| 10:23.14 | brlcad | much of it is solved, but limited by cpu power .. so as the chips get faster, old ideas that were completely impractical become entirely practical and implementable |
| 10:24.49 | brlcad | Ralith: that's about the general trend I often see too, similar to how the emerging technology that is showcased at siggraph .. often becomes commercial commonplace about 3-6 years after if it's a hot topic |
| 10:25.07 | mafm | IIRC (from Free as in Freedom book and similar resources), Stallman stallet to get mad at software practices when ppl took stuff out of mit to implement LISP machines commercially |
| 10:25.49 | mafm | he started to copy and reimplement the new features like crazy so that mit versions were equally capable as commercial versions |
| 10:25.54 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, but rt now with the GPUs in the market, the implementation would be smooth |
| 10:26.01 | brlcad | like seeing epaper five years ago at siggraph, and this past year seeing it become reality with amazon's kindle in 2007 |
| 10:26.05 | Ralith | brlcad: that seems really long, even considering the devtime of a big project |
| 10:26.07 | hippieindamakin8 | rather awesome GPUs |
| 10:26.15 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: I dunno about this whole raytracing thing. |
| 10:26.50 | Ralith | it amounts to using slower techniques for less appealing visuals |
| 10:26.54 | _sushi_ | self-pities |
| 10:27.13 | mafm | saw the same in grid technologies... in example cloud computing, already present in some congresses years ago, like the Amazon guy |
| 10:28.27 | Ralith | cloud computing is just silly. |
| 10:28.29 | brlcad | Ralith: the technique becomes faster than the raster approaches as soon as you turn "all" the features on |
| 10:28.30 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, doesnt that imply that faster computation = better visuals |
| 10:28.34 | Ralith | I, for one, will not give up control over my system. |
| 10:28.46 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: but we already *have* great visuals., |
| 10:28.51 | Ralith | no reason to sacrifice them. |
| 10:29.15 | brlcad | that is, to get the same picture, all the hacks and hoops you end up needing disappear with a much more simple algorithm |
| 10:29.50 | mafm | Ralith: it's more practical for startups demanding big storage or processing growing by the hour, think of flick-like sites when starting |
| 10:29.51 | Ralith | brlcad: for practical purposes, though, it's still much slower. |
| 10:29.59 | Ralith | eventually, when power is moot, sure |
| 10:30.01 | brlcad | for current purposes |
| 10:30.02 | Ralith | not now. |
| 10:30.22 | Ralith | mafm: for hosting a website or something, sure |
| 10:30.32 | brlcad | the only reason it's even being talked about is because at the high end of the spectrum, it's starting to get close |
| 10:30.33 | mafm | flickr, or whatever the spelling :) |
| 10:30.56 | brlcad | the cost of a superbly complex raster system with great visuals, something like the complexity of the crysis engine |
| 10:31.14 | brlcad | starts approaching the cost of advanced ray-tracing that gives equivalent results |
| 10:31.24 | mafm | they're trying to lure scientists to use clouds too... but transferring multi-GB datasets back and forth for processing for a few hours it's not very nice :D |
| 10:32.00 | mafm | but the personal computing, a la windows7, I think that it's a bit of non-sense right now (and I also don't like where all of this is heading) |
| 10:32.24 | Ralith | I wouldn't be too concerned; MS certainly won't keep its marketshare forever. |
| 10:32.51 | Ralith | and so far nobody's tried hardware lockin to a particular system, beyond the issues of driver support which are lessening these days. |
| 10:34.19 | brlcad | Ralith: speaking of seeing things in research that deploy 5 or so years later -- that's been the raging research competition between the powerhouses, the likes of Intel and NVIDIA, and all the chest thumping about who can do ray-tracing better/faster |
| 10:34.34 | brlcad | because it's expected that tipping point will happen within a couple years |
| 10:34.34 | Ralith | really? nVidia's getting in on that? |
| 10:34.38 | Ralith | I thought it was mostly intel |
| 10:34.56 | brlcad | oh yeah, nvidia's been right there in the research |
| 10:35.13 | Ralith | hm. |
| 10:35.22 | Ralith | well, I'll be interested to see what results |
| 10:35.26 | brlcad | had a massive session at siggraph just last year showcasing their implementation of ray-tracing on the gpu in response to intel's massive demo of larrabe |
| 10:35.40 | brlcad | it's been going back and forth |
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| 10:38.16 | hippieindamakin8 | has seen the examples of ray tracing on Nvidia CUDA machines and can say that they were beyond brilliant |
| 10:38.20 | Ralith | what interests me about larrabee is (if I understand it correctly) the freedom from API it offers. |
| 10:38.48 | Ralith | I imagine we'll see all sorts of things when people are no longer limited to what's defined in a spec like that |
| 10:39.19 | mafm | Ralith: a gsoc idea you might be interested in ;) : Amazon EC2 AMI Images and tools: create official Debian images and tools for the Amazon EC2 cloud-computing environment |
| 10:39.43 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, CUDA is also very good in that respect |
| 10:40.01 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: eh, it'll be a while before nvidia's hardware is truly general-purpose-ified |
| 10:40.12 | Ralith | oh there's an idea |
| 10:40.20 | Ralith | brlcad: has anyone considered porting librt to CUDA? |
| 10:40.32 | brlcad | "porting" it? heh |
| 10:40.33 | Ralith | or bits thereof, at least? |
| 10:40.36 | hippieindamakin8 | i can consider that :) |
| 10:40.39 | Ralith | isn't sure what would be involved |
| 10:41.36 | brlcad | there's ways cuda could be leveraged -- it'd take a fair bit of structuring but could be leveraged at the primitive level fairly decently |
| 10:42.19 | Ralith | then again, I suppose librt's pretty damn fast anyway |
| 10:42.29 | Ralith | so not much need. |
| 10:42.37 | brlcad | would have to improve support for ray-bundling, and reimplement most of the complex prep() and shot() routines for most primtives to be vectorized |
| 10:43.09 | Ralith | wouldn't that much be of benefit anyway on modern CPUs? |
| 10:43.44 | mafm | btw, isn't there any plan for multi-threading? it's beeing a trend in the last few years for most projects |
| 10:44.05 | brlcad | nah, you could certainly increase the performance of even librt using it -- but you'd also get just as much benefit from working on things like ray bundling, cacheline fitted data structures, cache coherent structure access, and vectorized ray evaluation |
| 10:44.34 | Ralith | raytracing is very parallelizable, I believe. |
| 10:44.41 | brlcad | should give an increase on optical image rendering on the order of around 2x-20x if you did *everything* |
| 10:44.57 | Ralith | but I'm not really convinced that there's much point |
| 10:45.02 | brlcad | of course it's parallelizable, brl-cad's rt was the first to show that :) |
| 10:45.08 | Ralith | hehe |
| 10:45.12 | Ralith | I mean, if I can render havok in under a minute on consumer hardware |
| 10:45.16 | ``Erik | obscenely parallel, every primary could be its own thread |
| 10:45.44 | ``Erik | parallel prep would be awesome, though |
| 10:45.53 | Ralith | then again, I don't have a very good idea of what normal model complexity tends to be |
| 10:46.03 | brlcad | Ralith: it's the difference between taking 30 seconds and potentially 2 frames per second interactive |
| 10:46.12 | ``Erik | has working geometry that takes about 60 seconds to prep and 30 to raytrace :( |
| 10:46.59 | Ralith | that's a lot of prep |
| 10:47.11 | Ralith | brlcad: fair, and I suppose in not too long it'll be even closer to raeltime. |
| 10:47.20 | Ralith | realtime* |
| 10:47.45 | brlcad | it makes a lot of existing models realtime |
| 10:48.39 | brlcad | the adrt stuff that erik has been working on does much of the tricks for polygonal models, gets a decent performance boost that allows for realtime raytraced interaction |
| 10:48.43 | Ralith | realtime librt would be neat. |
| 10:49.05 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas#CSG_ray-trace_optimizations |
| 10:49.37 | brlcad | if all done, those would likely result in massive performance boosts, order of magnitude sorts |
| 10:49.46 | Ralith | damn. |
| 10:50.11 | brlcad | exploiting cache coherency, branch minimization, data vectorization, accelerated spacial partitioning, and other optimization techniques |
| 10:50.34 | ``Erik | os/embedded/criticalsystems geeks would argue that you mean interactive, not realtime :) |
| 10:51.11 | Ralith | :P |
| 10:51.25 | Ralith | os/embedded/criticalsystems geeks don't do much raytracing. |
| 10:51.37 | ``Erik | erm, you might be surprised |
| 10:51.45 | Ralith | hm? |
| 10:52.05 | mafm | they raytrace models of lara croft in their basements! |
| 10:52.28 | ``Erik | a lot of raytracing has nothing to do with generating images :) |
| 10:52.43 | mafm | soft realtime is ok for multi-media |
| 10:53.03 | Ralith | ``Erik: that's why I said *much* |
| 10:53.06 | Ralith | rather than any. |
| 10:53.52 | mafm | ah, they might use some of it for physics? |
| 10:55.06 | Ralith | raytracing for physics? |
| 10:55.08 | Ralith | never heard of that. |
| 10:55.15 | Ralith | for that matter, physics in realtime? |
| 10:55.30 | Ralith | (that is, technical realtime, rather than interactive) |
| 10:55.36 | mafm | I mean representations of models from data gathered by radar-like devices and such, automatic control of vehicles (mars robots) |
| 10:56.11 | mafm | I don't know if some techniques related to raytracing could be used for that |
| 10:56.15 | ``Erik | O.o so you've never heard of things like collision detection systems, combat HUDs, flight control systems, etc, ralith? |
| 10:56.34 | Ralith | ``Erik: never imagined that that sort of thing used raytracing. |
| 10:56.35 | Ralith | tmyk! |
| 10:57.06 | Ralith | thinks HUDs are awesome and should be everywhere. |
| 10:57.21 | ``Erik | I d'no the guts, I do know that there's often raytracing to do physics and ai bits in ogl and d3d games |
| 10:57.22 | Ralith | augmented reality ftw. |
| 10:57.29 | Ralith | well, that's not 'realtime' |
| 10:58.00 | ``Erik | so I coudl imagine 'real life' systems (or high end simulators) doing the same |
| 10:58.47 | Ralith | but... that's still not realtime systems, is it? |
| 11:01.07 | mafm | I can see many situations where that's useful |
| 11:01.15 | mafm | or will be exploited |
| 11:01.27 | ``Erik | *shrug* I d'no, I can imagine a fair numberof scenarios where time guarantees on raytracing could be handy |
| 11:04.01 | Ralith | I dunno if it's used like that currently, though. |
| 11:04.02 | mafm | think of rendering a scene with objects in the foreground with transparency showing objects in the background visible |
| 11:04.02 | mafm | kind of Terminator :) |
| 11:04.02 | Ralith | like I said. |
| 11:04.02 | Ralith | We need HUDs EVERYWHERE. |
| 11:04.02 | ``Erik | (and I'm a bit of an OS geek and have done simple embedded programming before, so a bit sensitive on people propogating blizzards word abuse) |
| 11:04.02 | Ralith | :D |
| 11:04.02 | ``Erik | </rant> :D |
| 11:04.25 | ``Erik | most of my personal projects right now fall into the soft realtime need, and that's just cheezy web crap |
| 11:04.26 | mafm | :D |
| 11:04.47 | mafm | hates cheezy web :( |
| 11:05.15 | ``Erik | but it's good cheese! real cheese, not processed cheese |
| 11:05.41 | Ralith | yum! |
| 11:05.44 | ``Erik | that'sa gouda cheesa! |
| 11:07.46 | mafm | lol |
| 11:07.50 | ``Erik | back to librt speed improvements, there's been discussion on replacing src/librt/primitive/bot/* with src/adrt/libtie/* stuff for the speed boost, but making libties tricks ubiquitous through librt would be awesome |
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| 11:09.27 | ``Erik | postage stamp bundling, cache coherency, improved scene partition (I'll bring up my old argument that tree based approaches have necessary slow warts, a graph with neighbor awareness (see portal/sector stuff) would be preferable) |
| 11:09.55 | ``Erik | portable vectorization with fallback for cpu's lacking simd instructions |
| 11:10.32 | ``Erik | making prep way faster would be awesome, too |
| 11:11.53 | Ralith | well, I'm heading to bed in preparation for a long flight tomorrow. |
| 11:12.09 | Ralith | I guess I'll assume the fact that I haven't gotten any proposal feedback yet a good thing? |
| 11:12.29 | brlcad | yep |
| 11:12.34 | Ralith | :) |
| 11:12.40 | ``Erik | and you can render havoc pretty fast on consumer hardware... if you're doing a low resolution and low quality rendering. |
| 11:12.52 | Ralith | true, true |
| 11:13.11 | ``Erik | try doing a poster grade render :) now try doing it with photon mapping (or mlt if someone pics it up) |
| 11:13.28 | Ralith | I'll leave that one running overnight. |
| 11:13.42 | ``Erik | poster grade with simple phong was around 24 hours an image on high end gear |
| 11:13.42 | Ralith | luckily, I don't generally need poster-grade renders to model >_> |
| 11:14.31 | ``Erik | when ya need 14 images in 2 days, ... I was scrounging machines for that :) |
| 11:15.06 | ``Erik | and I had to post-process the images because they came out a little too dark and I didn't have the time to re-render them :( |
| 11:15.20 | ``Erik | so, yeah, there's a point :) |
| 11:15.30 | mafm | "night" Ralith :D |
| 11:15.35 | Ralith | night! |
| 11:16.08 | ``Erik | have a good flight :) |
| 11:19.47 | Ralith | thanks |
| 11:26.35 | madant | brlcad: :) for user-accessibility should i think about modifications in mged or integration with libged ? |
| 11:26.59 | madant | and how woudl it fit into the new gui plan |
| 11:30.54 | madant | i feel like sticking to the capability to make a constraint object within mged sounds good |
| 11:31.43 | madant | and then a user command like solve(constr.1) or something similar |
| 11:32.20 | madant | which would evaluate , display solution space / update geometry |
| 11:33.38 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Erik 07http://brlcad.org * r1321 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: add g_qa feature request |
| 11:37.04 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
| 11:43.41 | ``Erik | silence, maggot! |
| 11:43.44 | ``Erik | I mean, uh, hey |
| 11:44.13 | d-lo | You going on the YUMMY E39 party crash? |
| 11:44.31 | ``Erik | with what? I blew my load on slz |
| 11:44.54 | d-lo | wishes there could be asset transfers in the game :/ |
| 11:45.03 | ``Erik | heh, indeed |
| 11:45.21 | d-lo | ...would totaly ruin the game balance, but would be cool for a little while :) |
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| 11:46.07 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1905754 heh |
| 11:51.25 | mafm | hi d-lo |
| 11:51.41 | d-lo | howdy mafm |
| 11:52.03 | mafm | it seems that LHC finally made it: "I can confirm that, yes, the first stages of the experiment resulted in the appearance of a miniscule black hole," said the spokesperson to gathered reporters on Monday. "The black hole is being kept under quarantine and our scientists have been monitoring its progression," he explained. --http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/200914/3354/ |
| 11:52.18 | mafm | so you were right d-lo :P |
| 11:52.57 | d-lo | ``Erik: Do you know whats up with Hellbent? Profile shows inactive 74 days... |
| 11:53.01 | mafm | I'd say, bring Ballmer to throw a few chairs at it to tame it down :) |
| 11:54.05 | d-lo | Hrm, if I had to pick... I dunno which I would go for: Obliteration via Nuclear war, or sucked into a Black Hole that started in Europe.... :/ |
| 11:54.59 | d-lo | lol: "Many had bitterly said the consequences could be as extreme as the Earth being sucked into the black hole the LHC collisions may create as a side effect of the experiment. Others claimed time travellers with more sophisticated technology than ours could make use of the hole to invade the Earth and enslave mankind." |
| 11:55.05 | d-lo | Too many scifi movies... |
| 11:58.19 | mafm | :D |
| 11:58.34 | mafm | the bad thing is that many ppl will believe this news :| |
| 11:58.54 | ``Erik | ... I hate april 1st |
| 11:59.02 | ``Erik | no, d-lo, no clue :/ |
| 11:59.23 | mafm | let's hope scientology church take it seriously and immolate themselves :P :) |
| 11:59.59 | ``Erik | no, they'd just buy a lot of DC-9's and fly to another planet with volcanos |
| 12:00.11 | ``Erik | would donate $10 to help them get to venus D: |
| 12:00.12 | ``Erik | :D |
| 12:00.48 | ``Erik | ('cept beck, he can stay) |
| 12:00.58 | mafm | would double that! |
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| 12:06.11 | Maloeran | Ahah, neat article mafm |
| 12:07.31 | d-lo | ``Erik: got any 'cyclers built yet? |
| 12:28.44 | mafm | :) |
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| 13:04.26 | d-lo | ``Erik: E37:73:06:31 |
| 13:05.52 | ``Erik | aight, putting together a maid service |
| 13:06.09 | ``Erik | might take a couple hours, I tend to be up in the northern part |
| 13:07.15 | ``Erik | 1:10 to get the 74 jg, 5 minutes to hop over to that astro |
| 13:08.55 | d-lo | yeah, I have most of your astros bookmarked so they show up on the Map ;) |
| 13:09.05 | ``Erik | pheer O.o |
| 13:09.09 | ``Erik | jotes |
| 13:09.16 | ``Erik | jots down a note... "don't piss dave off" |
| 13:10.42 | d-lo | ....hrmm... no fleet, most locations known..... hrm.... *EVIL LAUGH* |
| 13:10.58 | d-lo | =D |
| 13:11.17 | ``Erik | hm, yes, 15 prings, 15 pshields, 3-4 dn's, and a fighter cloud on each, definitely soft targets :D |
| 13:11.29 | ``Erik | no MOBILE fleet |
| 13:11.53 | d-lo | True. true. but how dangerous is a person who just doesn't care about fleet anymore? ;) |
| 13:11.54 | ``Erik | yoda is slz gm now, btw |
| 13:12.16 | d-lo | ...wha? aren't we at war with slz? |
| 13:12.33 | ``Erik | unofficially |
| 13:12.54 | d-lo | why that little green shit. lol |
| 13:12.58 | ``Erik | more of a "damnit, we're not farms, and you're warring on a madp" |
| 13:13.17 | ``Erik | unfortunately, he has intel on our strongholds :( |
| 13:13.30 | ``Erik | though I think he was like 32 or 33 |
| 13:13.58 | ``Erik | mebbe he'll get them to back off of fng *shrug* who knows |
| 13:14.36 | ``Erik | that crash eliminated over 1/3 of slzs total fleet, mostly of their higher level members, so they're not exactly a huge threat |
| 13:14.37 | d-lo | well, "personal vendettas" can be really fun ;) |
| 13:16.34 | ``Erik | ooh, you've been called out on your hit, ya didn't post br |
| 13:17.54 | d-lo | *shrug* I'll get to it ;) |
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| 13:56.45 | brlcad | madant: either really -- a libged modification is an mged modification -- it adds a new command |
| 13:57.58 | madant | was thinking whether a menu option would be nice.. but i guess a functioing command interface is a more important target :) |
| 13:58.50 | madant | needs to seriously go through libged after months of stalling |
| 14:02.51 | brlcad | libged is easy -- if you can make a simple test program with argc/argv, that converts very simply over to a libged function |
| 14:04.33 | madant | hmm.. convenient :) ( evil grin ) |
| 14:07.41 | madant | oh and brlcad, i ran a sub 6 minute mile ;) 2.1 km in 7:49 : |
| 14:07.50 | madant | :D felt like i was going to die |
| 14:09.24 | brlcad | excellent |
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| 14:30.38 | hippieindamakin8 | hey madant brlcad |
| 14:31.24 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, just went out on a jog of 2 km (in arnd 13 min) |
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| 14:56.10 | kanzure | brlcad: I'll try to send out an email in a few hours about the web repository ideas. |
| 14:56.33 | kanzure | but pre-emptive constructive criticism about better ideas would be acceptable :) |
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| 15:21.31 | brlcad | hello hippieindamakin8 |
| 15:21.51 | brlcad | kanzure: please do |
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| 15:22.10 | brlcad | it'll be a rush the closer to the deadline it gets, and become harder to get good responses/reviews in the later they are |
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| 15:36.22 | andrecastelo | hi brlcad, ``Erik |
| 15:36.34 | andrecastelo | :) |
| 15:46.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03117.196.146.22 07http://brlcad.org * r1322 10/wiki/User:Homovulgaris: /* Abstract */ main objective changed |
| 15:48.23 | madant | hippieindamakin8, speed up ;) unless of course you were enjoying some wonderful scenery while jogging |
| 15:49.40 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, in iit kanpur's stadium .. there wont be any scenery there nor chiks :) |
| 15:50.26 | madant | haha :) ah u are from iitk .. kewl.. i hear it is a very study-oriented place :P |
| 15:50.50 | madant | u doing UG there ? which subbject ? |
| 15:50.55 | madant | s/subbject/dept. |
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| 15:55.08 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, dude yeah !that is the reason writing an app becomes difficult. majoring in mechanical engineering.(subject of interest:computational geometry) |
| 16:08.39 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Homovulgaris 07http://brlcad.org * r1323 10/wiki/User:Homovulgaris: /* Proposal */ change of priorities |
| 16:18.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Homovulgaris 07http://brlcad.org * r1324 10/wiki/User:Homovulgaris: /* Schedule */ |
| 16:19.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Homovulgaris 07http://brlcad.org * r1325 10/wiki/User:Homovulgaris: /* Other Notes */ |
| 16:19.34 | madant | loves cia wiki updates ;) |
| 16:21.19 | d-lo | that you making all that IRC vomit? :) |
| 16:21.41 | madant | moi :) |
| 16:22.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Homovulgaris 07http://brlcad.org * r1326 10/wiki/User:Homovulgaris: Text shifted to Notes since priorities have been changed |
| 16:24.07 | madant | hippieindamakin8, :) which year are u in ? |
| 16:25.52 | hippieindamakin8 | 4rth |
| 16:38.49 | hippieindamakin8 | starts editing the wiki <but feels that the cia updates would rather embaress him> |
| 16:41.44 | starseeker | nah, go for it - we've all been there |
| 16:44.55 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, :) thanks and did u find any thing better w.r.t the problem u were working on ? |
| 16:45.41 | starseeker | brlcad and I discussed it some |
| 16:46.00 | starseeker | probably want to back up and see if we really need the solution to that specific problem |
| 16:46.09 | hippieindamakin8 | :) |
| 16:47.07 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, once i submit my application, i shall send in a mail(read as spam) on the list with my idea of the solution |
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| 16:47.59 | starseeker | sounds good |
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| 17:34.50 | ``Erik | if you feel like it'd be embarrassing, just remember, were still too busy laughing at starseeker to bother picking on you ;) *duck* |
| 17:36.31 | d-lo | lol |
| 17:36.49 | d-lo | You can also blame any mistakes you make on the LHC. |
| 17:36.49 | ``Erik | that astro is swept, dave |
| 17:37.17 | d-lo | saw that. 5200 cyclers is hardly 'no mobile' =D |
| 17:38.08 | ``Erik | woulda figured the 17000 ft's and 240 hc's woulda gotten more attention |
| 17:40.53 | AlexandreGuedes | hi |
| 17:41.17 | AlexandreGuedes | when I'm compiling my build. |
| 17:41.30 | AlexandreGuedes | is normal a lot of warning ? |
| 17:41.46 | ``Erik | in the src/other directory, yes... shouldn't be many outside of that |
| 17:50.17 | AlexandreGuedes | i got some errors |
| 17:50.52 | AlexandreGuedes | make[2]: *** [libdm_la-color.lo] Error 1 |
| 17:51.37 | AlexandreGuedes | someone knows this error? |
| 18:00.32 | ``Erik | can you paste more of the backlog to http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ ? (the actual error is before that line) |
| 18:07.11 | AlexandreGuedes | ok.. |
| 18:07.30 | AlexandreGuedes | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6f0cdb29 |
| 18:15.13 | madant | AlexandreGuedes, error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory = you don't have the required x11-dev libraries |
| 18:15.19 | madant | which platform are you on |
| 18:15.29 | AlexandreGuedes | ubuntu |
| 18:16.10 | madant | install libx11-dev |
| 18:16.30 | madant | and libxi-dev too |
| 18:16.33 | AlexandreGuedes | ok... |
| 18:18.26 | AlexandreGuedes | thanks |
| 18:18.28 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, that is for most of the debian based distro users :) |
| 18:18.41 | AlexandreGuedes | apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev |
| 18:18.54 | AlexandreGuedes | :) |
| 18:22.55 | madant | hippieindamakin8, true i remember a similar situation from a couple of days ago too IIRC |
| 18:23.19 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, i too encountered the same problem. :) |
| 18:23.42 | madant | ah.. so it was u ? :D |
| 18:23.52 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, it was me an year ago :P |
| 18:23.59 | madant | ah ok :D |
| 18:24.09 | hippieindamakin8 | loves debian and KDE |
| 18:24.48 | madant | AlexandreGuedes, I am not sure if the package name is xserver-xorg-dev for debian.. use apt-file search feature for locating the correct packages ? |
| 18:25.48 | AlexandreGuedes | hmm ok |
| 18:30.15 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, i dont think xserver-xorg-dev has libx11-dev headers |
| 18:31.34 | hippieindamakin8 | AlexandreGuedes, apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev libx11-dev libx9-dev |
| 18:32.06 | hippieindamakin8 | *libx9-dev/libxi-dev |
| 18:34.33 | AlexandreGuedes | hippieindamakin8: thanks |
| 18:34.44 | madant | does not even have xserver-xorg-dev installed :D |
| 18:35.25 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, interesting :) neways they are the development files |
| 18:35.28 | AlexandreGuedes | now think it is ok |
| 18:35.31 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, which distro ? |
| 18:35.39 | madant | debian unstable |
| 18:35.58 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, awesome |
| 18:36.43 | madant | whats awesome about it :P I like it though :D |
| 18:37.33 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, i meant i too use the same. i dont find many ppl who are using debian unstable. |
| 18:38.25 | madant | OS space is pretty huge :) |
| 18:51.41 | mafm | madant rulez! |
| 18:51.59 | mafm | and hippieindamakin8 rulez too :P |
| 18:53.00 | madant | oh and lets not forget mafm :) |
| 18:53.13 | madant | people still pester you about rand() :P |
| 18:53.15 | madant | ? |
| 18:53.46 | mafm | that question is not for me, I guess |
| 18:55.10 | madant | mafm: ah maybe i am confused.. i remember some debian fan here being pestered about int rand() { return 4; } or something similar :) |
| 18:56.26 | mafm | ahh |
| 18:56.37 | mafm | well, that part was a joke |
| 18:57.23 | mafm | but I was suffering a lot because of that yes, my workmates were fedora fascists :P |
| 18:58.02 | mafm | incidentally, one of them got fed up of fedora in his laptop (unstable, sluggish, etc) and installed debian a while after that :) |
| 18:58.08 | mafm | but I don't work there anymore |
| 18:58.34 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, mafm :P |
| 18:59.20 | madant | ah .. so my memory doesnt suck :P |
| 19:03.49 | kanzure | brlcad: ok, sent. |
| 19:26.14 | AlexandreGuedes | How I can know which are the dependeces (libs) before start the make build ? |
| 19:27.29 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, i cant find a create content tab in my profile :| on brlcad wiki |
| 19:27.36 | hippieindamakin8 | wiki and the site |
| 19:32.24 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, nvm :| |
| 19:37.19 | madant | hippieindamakin8, whats the error ? |
| 19:37.47 | madant | AlexandreGuedes, did u try building again ? got any further errors ? |
| 19:38.27 | hippieindamakin8 | wanted to put in my proposal |
| 19:38.28 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, nthing resolved it |
| 19:38.32 | AlexandreGuedes | now i'm having other error |
| 19:38.33 | madant | regarding a list of dependencies.. well there aren't many.. :) x11, xi etc. are a few .. but mostly brl-cad code is pretty self-sufficient :) |
| 19:38.45 | madant | AlexandreGuedes, paste ;) |
| 19:39.43 | AlexandreGuedes | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d7f7f4d2e |
| 19:40.09 | AlexandreGuedes | undefined reference to `X24_close_existing' ... |
| 19:41.17 | madant | hmm.. tclcad.. try ./configure with the --enable-all option and then make |
| 19:43.17 | AlexandreGuedes | Ok, I'm trying |
| 19:46.16 | AlexandreGuedes | Which platform is better for build brlcad? |
| 19:47.05 | mafm | debian, of course! |
| 19:47.23 | mafm | some alianated ppl might suggest freebsd or something... :P |
| 19:48.30 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, freebsd is good too but they are incomprehensible philosophies |
| 19:48.38 | mafm | (just kidding, any supported platform should do) |
| 19:48.40 | hippieindamakin8 | *they are/they have |
| 19:48.52 | mafm | such as? |
| 19:50.34 | mafm | brlcad: it's full of spam http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m16956c60 |
| 19:50.36 | AlexandreGuedes | madant: I had already done, but this happening the same error |
| 19:50.52 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, i ll just get the list of them from my prof :P |
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| 19:52.33 | AlexandreGuedes | madant: may i should cleanup ? |
| 19:53.36 | mafm | AlexandreGuedes: it seems something internal (funcions being in brlcad code, so maybe it's autoconf missing something), you might want to wait for ``Erik or brlcad to come around |
| 19:53.45 | brlcad | ~dreeves++ |
| 19:53.59 | mafm | a cleanup and --enable-all might help, though |
| 19:55.28 | AlexandreGuedes | thanks |
| 19:55.41 | AlexandreGuedes | i ll try it |
| 19:56.41 | AlexandreGuedes | got the source from sourceforge, there are difference from svn source ? |
| 19:56.49 | AlexandreGuedes | i got* |
| 19:58.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34129 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/README.Linux: note that ubuntu/debian folks should install xserver-org-dev libx11-dev and libxi-dev |
| 19:59.58 | brlcad | mafm, yep, the pastebin doesn't have any spam preventions .. gets hit every couple minutes |
| 20:00.04 | brlcad | feel free to fix that ;) |
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| 20:00.34 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: svn sources are the very latest, source tarball is our last release |
| 20:00.52 | brlcad | for gsoc, you'll want to be using the latest svn sources |
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| 20:01.39 | AlexandreGuedes | i'll start a checkout just now |
| 20:09.31 | mafm | dunno anything about pastebins :( |
| 20:12.50 | brlcad | mafm: nor do I, don't need to know much about pastebin to run one and to install a captcha so it doesn't get spammed ;) |
| 20:16.40 | ``Erik | recaptcha is already installed on that box, right? just a matter of figuring out how to wire it into the php? |
| 20:17.50 | brlcad | yeah, recaptcha is tiny, just a few files |
| 20:18.06 | brlcad | just usually have to add a few lines to whatever form page |
| 20:18.17 | mafm | I thought that it was some kind of lil' specialized cms |
| 20:18.27 | mafm | erm |
| 20:18.28 | brlcad | heck, upgrading the pastebin might have a captcha option |
| 20:18.40 | mafm | I'm busy with miss LH, she doesn't like me! :P |
| 20:18.53 | brlcad | she say no? |
| 20:20.49 | mafm | more or less |
| 20:23.09 | brlcad | well, is it more or is it less? :) |
| 20:24.26 | madant_ | :D |
| 20:26.37 | mafm | it's less than more, but less is more |
| 20:26.56 | mafm | it all depends on the meaning of "enrolled", I can't get such a paper |
| 20:27.08 | madant_ | :) |
| 20:27.36 | mafm | I can get only a paper telling that I finished all the courses, and I have the letter accepting my project |
| 20:27.43 | mafm | but I don't even have a card this year |
| 20:36.40 | mafm | uhm, that apparently is also OK |
| 20:42.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34130 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 20:42.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: note that richard and keith added support to rtarea to computer center of |
| 20:42.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: presented/exposed area. this is related to sf patch 1942589 (Exposed & |
| 20:42.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Presented Region Area Center points) from andrecastelo but it was determined |
| 20:42.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: that the patch was incomplete/unusable. this feature has been requested by |
| 20:42.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: analyst users (specifically from r. dibelka as well). |
| 20:55.54 | AlexandreGuedes | Yehh!! I got!!!! |
| 20:57.24 | AlexandreGuedes | mafm: make run ok now |
| 20:58.08 | mafm | AlexandreGuedes: congrats, you just burned the equivalent power to a trip from Porto Alegre to Ouro Preto! |
| 20:58.10 | mafm | ;) |
| 20:58.11 | AlexandreGuedes | i cleanup and restart build |
| 20:59.58 | AlexandreGuedes | thanks.. the next stage is something from todo list |
| 21:01.50 | mafm | :) |
| 21:04.00 | mafm | you're welcome |
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| 21:21.37 | SniX | hi |
| 21:29.19 | madant | hi SniX |
| 21:32.00 | SniX | is it possible to use FME using brl-cad? |
| 21:32.16 | SniX | maybe exporting to another package? |
| 21:32.27 | brlcad | you mean FEM? |
| 21:34.01 | SniX | yep, sorry |
| 21:36.25 | brlcad | what do you mean by 'use' then? you can certainly import most FEM's as polygonal/triangle data |
| 21:36.36 | brlcad | and export those out to other packages |
| 21:36.41 | brlcad | using our importers and exporters |
| 21:36.51 | brlcad | depends on the format's you're wanting to go to/from |
| 21:48.59 | SniX | thanks. |
| 21:49.57 | SniX | how do I use a model in another? say I model a screw and want to use it. |
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| 21:58.23 | brlcad | SniX: it depends really what you're trying to do |
| 21:59.01 | brlcad | sounds like you probably just want to make a group/assembly, add both objects |
| 21:59.16 | brlcad | g or comb command |
| 21:59.19 | brlcad | (in mged) |
| 22:01.01 | SniX | (my last question was not FEM related). I am thinking about libraries of models. is there something like "import"? |
| 22:09.06 | brlcad | SniX: we have a variety of importers |
| 22:09.12 | brlcad | ls -la /usr/brlcad/bin/*-g |
| 22:09.18 | brlcad | those g files can be opened with mged |
| 22:09.28 | brlcad | and imported into other g files |
| 22:16.11 | SniX | with dbconcat? |
| 22:16.27 | brlcad | yes |
| 22:22.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34131 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/ (10 files in 10 dirs): remove BLT from windows build |
| 22:34.58 | madant | hmm.. wicked Rube Goldberg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrCb_fNmSTA |
| 22:47.33 | mafm | brlcad: were the wiki accounts wiped out? |
| 22:51.38 | madant | mafm: huh ? |
| 22:52.00 | mafm | I can't login in and it won't recognize my mail addresses |
| 22:52.32 | madant | weird.. working for me |
| 22:54.43 | mafm | then I'm afraid I got amnesia and virulent stupidity or something |
| 22:54.45 | mafm | :| |
| 22:57.37 | madant | i think hippieindamakin8 was also having some trouble with the wiki earlier though he figured it out i think. |
| 22:58.28 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, exactly it worked for me in few minutes :) |
| 22:59.44 | brlcad | mafm: the geometry converter API doesn't require knowing geometry formats |
| 22:59.49 | brlcad | it's a refactoring project |
| 22:59.57 | brlcad | we have a bunch of converters, importers/exporters |
| 23:00.04 | brlcad | it's turning them into functions instead of applications |
| 23:00.19 | brlcad | sort of like how libged turned all of mged's commands into functions |
| 23:00.38 | brlcad | mafm: no, accounts have never been removed |
| 23:01.23 | mafm | huh, now it works :) |
| 23:05.00 | mafm | hmm, still that of the exporters is low priority and not specially thrilling |
| 23:08.03 | mafm | I also don't want to submit anything related to GUI if not complementary with Ralith's proposal, I like it and think that it's better "channeled" than my RBGui one last year :) |
| 23:18.31 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34132 10/brlcad/trunk/include/config_win.h: remove dead code, define off_t instead of typedef it for some reason |
| 23:20.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34133 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: check for the old BSD bcmp() function for Windows even though it is part of POSIX 1003.1-2001 |
| 23:24.50 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34134 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libsysv/ (Makefile.am bcmp.c): add support for bcmp() for windows. g_diff uses it and windows (98) doesn't seem to have it, so implement a simple PD version. |
| 23:29.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34135 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add bcmp.c to the other build files |
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| 23:37.31 | brlcad | mafm: of course :) |
| 23:38.10 | brlcad | (and yes, discussions should almost always be public, unless it's a personal issue) |
| 23:38.36 | brlcad | not being high-priority doesn't mean it's low priority |
| 23:38.59 | brlcad | it just means it'll take a little more student-excitement and a better proposal |
| 23:43.11 | mafm | I guessed that it was something like that, thus my "...and not specially thrilling" subjective comment :) |
| 23:43.13 | mafm | sigh |
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| 23:44.02 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34138 10/brlcad/trunk/src/gtools/g_lint.c: use rand() instead of random() since the precision isn't that important here and one isn't available on Windows. |
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| 23:46.30 | mafm | well, latish here, going to sleep |
| 23:46.32 | mafm | night |
| 23:48.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34139 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: verified that they now compile, annotate that g_lint, g_transfer, and g_diff are ported to windows given they now compile (and seem to run). |
| 23:48.39 | brlcad | cya mafm |
| 23:49.18 | brlcad | i'm sure there's probably some collaborative piece of the gui work to be done -- like backend work hooking up the geometry service and getting that talking |
| 23:49.51 | mafm | I'll see tomorrow |
| 23:50.44 | mafm | I don't have too much work left to do this week :) |
| 23:50.46 | mafm | night |
| 23:50.52 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34140 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: windows build seems jacked up. stuff compiling in the wrong order. |
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| 00:22.21 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: where i can get .g file format specification ? |
| 00:59.34 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 01:04.25 | madant | AlexandreGuedes, best bet is the code + http://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/papers/brlcad5.0/newdb.html |
| 01:16.59 | AlexandreGuedes | madant: this link is not working, but I found: http://brlcad.org/OLD/newdb/newdb.html |
| 01:17.18 | AlexandreGuedes | is the same thing ? |
| 01:21.30 | madant | AlexandreGuedes, yep :) |
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| 01:22.28 | madant | hmm.. er.. the army.mil one says draft 19 july |
| 01:26.22 | AlexandreGuedes | WARNING: this document is out of date and incomplete, but a useful start for those writing to the .g format. See the librt and libwdb interfaces for more up-to-date information. |
| 01:27.08 | madant | exactly :) |
| 01:27.25 | AlexandreGuedes | it iis ok |
| 01:27.49 | AlexandreGuedes | i should develop a sample patch... |
| 01:28.04 | AlexandreGuedes | Someone could tell as should be a patch ? |
| 01:28.14 | madant | have u succeeded in checking out the repo and building ? |
| 01:28.27 | AlexandreGuedes | yes... |
| 01:28.35 | AlexandreGuedes | and make install.. |
| 01:28.51 | AlexandreGuedes | is all runing .. |
| 01:29.24 | madant | well you could take up any of the manageable things on the BUGS list or any small feature request at the sourceforge tracker or the things in the main TODO.. small things ofcourse :) |
| 01:29.55 | AlexandreGuedes | hmm |
| 01:29.55 | madant | AlexandreGuedes, I am not a mentor :) just a contributor |
| 01:30.11 | AlexandreGuedes | ok |
| 01:30.33 | AlexandreGuedes | tha pache can be a file .. ? |
| 01:30.43 | AlexandreGuedes | the patch* |
| 01:31.59 | madant | AlexandreGuedes, how to create a patch is mentioned here http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
| 01:32.52 | madant | It is just an easy method for transmitting whatever changes you have made to the code for removing the bug, or implementing a new feature etc. so that a developer can easily apply it , check it etc. |
| 01:34.34 | madant | the diff tool as well as svn diff basically concatenates all the changes you have made to a single patch file which you can submit at the sourceforge page i mentioned above |
| 01:35.29 | madant | then someone from brl-cad can check the patch by applying it using the patch tool etc. |
| 01:35.45 | madant | thinks maybe this will explain things better than moi :) http://ariejan.net/2007/07/03/how-to-create-and-apply-a-patch-with-subversion/ |
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| 01:40.13 | AlexandreGuedes | hhmm now I comprehended |
| 01:41.58 | madant | no problem :) go have some awesome time reading brl-cad code ;) some of it is decades old and still awesome |
| 01:44.31 | AlexandreGuedes | is a lot of code lines |
| 01:48.53 | madant | heh.. indeed ;) http://www.ohloh.net/p/brlcad/analyses/latest |
| 01:51.19 | AlexandreGuedes | ohhh |
| 03:02.04 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: you don't really need the .g file specification to make a converter |
| 03:02.18 | brlcad | there is an API for accessing/creating/reading geometry |
| 03:02.42 | brlcad | src/librt and include/raytrace.h include/rtgeom.h and include/wdb.h |
| 03:30.44 | AlexandreGuedes | i'm back |
| 03:39.05 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: ok i'm analising it |
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| 03:57.54 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: great |
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| 03:58.31 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: librt is where most of the exporters work, libwdb is used by most of the importers |
| 03:58.31 | brlcad | librt is read/write -- libwdb is write-only |
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| 03:59.54 | AlexandreGuedes | There is some specific documentation ? |
| 04:00.13 | AlexandreGuedes | i'm lookin it now.. Converting_Geometry.pdf |
| 04:00.13 | brlcad | there is quite a bit of documentation, dpends what you're trying to do |
| 04:00.24 | brlcad | yeah, that's a good starting point |
| 04:00.35 | brlcad | for an exporter, this simple example is relevant: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Example_db_walk_tree |
| 04:01.37 | brlcad | looking at the existing converters is also good |
| 04:01.41 | brlcad | src/conv |
| 04:05.32 | AlexandreGuedes | there are already converters from .g to .vrml, .obj, .x3d |
| 04:07.35 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: some formats can represent many properties.. |
| 04:08.27 | AlexandreGuedes | which ones of them are more important for brlcad ? |
| 04:09.18 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: the ones that deal with the geometry itself of course |
| 04:09.33 | brlcad | other metadata specifically related to solid modeling and solidity |
| 04:09.38 | brlcad | the hierarchy, if any |
| 04:10.23 | brlcad | the rest is mostly attribute, parametrics, or 2D data that isn't easily converted |
| 04:11.39 | AlexandreGuedes | mostly : points, vectors, vertexes ... |
| 04:13.48 | brlcad | ah, yeah -- the 1D/2D/drafting entities can either be imported as sketch data, just stashed as attributes, or ignored |
| 04:13.58 | brlcad | they're not directly related to solid modeling generally speaking |
| 04:14.41 | brlcad | and solid modeling does take precedence over other purposes like design, drafting, and machining .. until there are devs to better support those domains |
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| 05:08.19 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: are you here ? |
| 05:09.05 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 05:09.05 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 05:09.34 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: i'm writing my project |
| 05:09.51 | brlcad | highly recommends submitting two applications if you have the time |
| 05:10.01 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: great |
| 05:10.35 | AlexandreGuedes | i'll offer importers to vrml, obj and x3d |
| 05:10.55 | AlexandreGuedes | and a interactive vizualization... |
| 05:11.19 | AlexandreGuedes | using opengl.. |
| 05:11.45 | brlcad | the converters can all go together on the same applications |
| 05:11.48 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: You think that is very or little ? |
| 05:12.15 | brlcad | it's not clear until you start coding |
| 05:12.27 | brlcad | depends how good you are at reading exising code |
| 05:14.24 | AlexandreGuedes | And the interactive visualization can be together ? |
| 05:15.10 | brlcad | interactive visualization using opengl will be very difficult without finishing the impementation of BREP support |
| 05:16.09 | brlcad | at least implementing BREP tessellation support and CSG to BREP conversion support |
| 05:17.08 | brlcad | still, please do submit both even stubbed out and we can discuss them in further detail. |
| 05:17.18 | brlcad | wanders |
| 05:20.52 | AlexandreGuedes | Unfortunately gsoc deadline coincided with other commitments... |
| 05:21.17 | AlexandreGuedes | this week i have others deadlines |
| 05:31.31 | deeeffache | Hey, if you wanted to create something that would generate.. say, a gear, that worked like, 'creategear numberteeth radius,' would it be best to write a shell script or is there another way of handling this? |
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| 05:59.03 | yukonbob | deeeffache: could be done in Tcl, using mged for example. |
| 06:14.58 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: hey, thanks |
| 06:15.32 | AlexandreGuedes | now i'm understandig more about brlcad models |
| 06:17.55 | AlexandreGuedes | i'll be away, see you later |
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| 08:35.29 | d_rossberg | brlcad: your comment on the new importer proposal is private |
| 08:35.52 | d_rossberg | i.e. the student should not be able to see it |
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| 10:27.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 0385.186.3.59 07http://brlcad.org * r1327 10/wiki/Talk:Animation: New page: Hello |
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| 10:56.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[Talk:Animation]]": content was: 'Hello' (and the only contributor was '[[Special:Contributions/85.186.3.59|85.186.3.59]]') |
| 10:56.51 | brlcad | d_rossberg: really?? oops, thanks! |
| 11:07.31 | mafm | hi |
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| 11:25.50 | mafm | brlcad: mail FAIL: "It was never expected that the project woluThere is also a separate MGED+Archer" |
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| 12:31.19 | brlcad | mafm: ah, oops, thanks -- "never expected that the project would 'finish' as it's a multi-year effort." |
| 12:43.06 | mafm | brlcad: I figured it out, just noted it in the case that you want to fix it :) |
| 12:43.06 | mafm | bbiab |
| 12:52.21 | brlcad | fixed and extended |
| 13:00.23 | ``Erik | cocks an eyebrow at the 'tops' program on his mac |
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| 14:31.51 | starseeker | wills his nosebleed to stop so he can get on the friggin road |
| 14:33.50 | brlcad | gives starseeker some cocaine to congeal the bleeding |
| 14:34.11 | starseeker | heh - best example ever of cure being worse than disease |
| 14:37.26 | _sushi_ | Do you know how to feed a long content of a Makefile variable into xargs? |
| 14:37.37 | brlcad | you probably wouldn't think that after trying it ;) |
| 14:39.14 | brlcad | _sushi_: grep variable Makefile | xargs ... |
| 14:40.25 | brlcad | or just the content: grep variable Makefile | sed 's/[^=][^=]*=[ ]*//g' | xargs |
| 14:41.57 | ``Erik | that assumes that the variable isn't split with escaped newlines |
| 14:41.59 | _sushi_ | I have variable $(GENERATED) which is a dynamically computed list of all files generated during compilation of Ronja |
| 14:42.09 | _sushi_ | I cannot grep it out of the Makefile. It's not written there. |
| 14:42.26 | ``Erik | if you have a bsd make handy, do "make -V VARIABLE" |
| 14:42.26 | _sushi_ | It's so many kilobytes it cannot be passed on a commandline. |
| 14:42.36 | ``Erik | gnumake is r-tarded |
| 14:43.05 | _sushi_ | I need it for gnu make |
| 14:43.13 | _sushi_ | it apparently doesn't have -V |
| 14:43.43 | _sushi_ | is there a limit on size of environment variable? |
| 14:43.50 | brlcad | true dat about escaped newlines, though easy to unescape all lines before the grep too -- one of our scripts does that |
| 14:44.10 | brlcad | _sushi_: most have some upper limit |
| 14:44.21 | brlcad | 65k on many nowdays |
| 14:45.06 | ``Erik | woke up too early, is already hungry :/ |
| 14:45.57 | ``Erik | wow, sgi for 25m? O.o |
| 14:48.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1328 10/wiki/Developer_Documents: stub in a development tips section for emacs and studio |
| 14:48.26 | _sushi_ | wow, it works |
| 14:48.30 | brlcad | ``Erik: lee is up for lunch |
| 14:48.38 | ``Erik | yeah, talked to him about 20m ago |
| 14:48.52 | brlcad | _sushi_: what does? |
| 14:49.00 | _sushi_ | export GENERATED |
| 14:49.03 | _sushi_ | calling an external script |
| 14:49.09 | ``Erik | jim isn't interested in a real lunch, just a bowling alley trip or something |
| 14:49.14 | _sushi_ | and there for filename in $GENERATED; do rm $filename; done |
| 14:49.25 | ``Erik | I was kinda thinking japan house, sake might help this headache out :) |
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| 15:08.59 | _sushi_ | now it's already working with GENERATED :) |
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| 21:19.10 | jdoliner | brlcad could you provide a bit of guidance on a patch? |
| 21:25.03 | brlcad | jdoliner: sure, fix something ;) |
| 21:26.40 | brlcad | i.e., look at the BUGS file -- most of those items are a lot less work than the TODO file items (though todo also has a few tasks that are pretty simple) |
| 21:27.14 | brlcad | another thing is to start trying out a variety of the command-line tools until you find some unexpected behavior or a crash, then fix that |
| 21:27.20 | brlcad | usually doesn't take too long ;) |
| 21:29.19 | jdoliner | yes I'm working on bug: 2561346 |
| 21:36.07 | brlcad | looks |
| 21:36.22 | jdoliner | it has to do with tesselation failure |
| 21:39.58 | jdoliner | so I need a bit of help on the flow of the program |
| 21:40.30 | jdoliner | nmg_booltree_lead_trees is failing |
| 21:45.57 | jdoliner | tess* that is |
| 21:46.41 | jdoliner | and it's gotta be failing since ip-idb_meth->ft_tessellate is failing |
| 21:48.00 | jdoliner | but I don't really know what that references at all |
| 21:48.53 | mafm | brlcad: requirements are the usual: proposal in the wiki, mailing list, and sending patches? |
| 21:49.14 | brlcad | mafm: yeah |
| 21:49.37 | mafm | patches being in the interim period, right? |
| 21:49.37 | brlcad | jdoliner: so did you get john's response? |
| 21:49.41 | brlcad | what the problem was |
| 21:49.58 | jdoliner | no I didn't get john's response |
| 21:50.04 | jdoliner | did he send one? |
| 21:50.18 | brlcad | jdoliner: read the comments on the bug ;) |
| 21:51.06 | jdoliner | oh yes I did see that |
| 21:51.08 | brlcad | also might as well mention that ip->idb_meth is a callback table to specific primitives -- ft_tessellate calls a primitive's tess() function |
| 21:51.34 | brlcad | so if it's an ellipsoid, ft_tessellate() is a function pointer to ell_tess() |
| 21:51.49 | jdoliner | in this case it seems to be rt_extrude_tess() |
| 21:51.56 | brlcad | right |
| 21:52.18 | jdoliner | and that's the function I think I should modify, am I right about that? |
| 21:52.33 | brlcad | probably one of several really given what the problem is |
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| 21:52.45 | brlcad | it's a matter of garbage-in == garbage-out |
| 21:53.01 | AlexandreGuedes | hi |
| 21:53.06 | brlcad | it's bad geometry, so we can either detect it and abort or fix it automatically if it's fixable |
| 21:53.11 | mafm | brlcad: patches being in the interim period, right? |
| 21:53.11 | brlcad | hello AlexandreGuedes |
| 21:53.17 | brlcad | mafm: what does that mean? |
| 21:53.18 | mafm | hi AlexandreGuedes |
| 21:53.42 | mafm | that patches doesn't have to be submitted before 3rd April deadline |
| 21:54.09 | mafm | just with time enough to evaluate it properly |
| 21:54.27 | brlcad | oh heck no -- patches can be submitted all the way up until we finalize selections (though the earlier the better obviously) |
| 21:54.30 | jdoliner | well it certainly is fixable |
| 21:54.39 | brlcad | which is like april 15th maybe? forget the timeline |
| 21:54.51 | jdoliner | yes april 15th is correct |
| 21:55.23 | brlcad | jdoliner: in this case, definitely -- you can detect that various segments need to be reversed if they don't form a loop |
| 21:55.30 | jdoliner | 1 question, is there any worry with fixing it, that we're maybe changing some feature of the geometry that the user wanted? |
| 21:55.59 | brlcad | and if that's the approach taken, reversing the segments, it probably belongs in import5() so that it's fixed once read off of the disk |
| 21:57.44 | mafm | goody |
| 21:57.47 | jdoliner | k so we want to make sure, anytime we import that we don't have these reversed segments |
| 22:00.00 | jdoliner | where can I find the import5() function? |
| 22:17.35 | brlcad | jdoliner: same file as tess() |
| 22:18.02 | brlcad | src/librt/primitives/sketch has the sketch primitive that is used with the extrude primitive |
| 22:18.43 | brlcad | jdoliner: alternative, you could make sure you only write out / export "correct" sketches .. but that will still allow them to be initially created and cause bad behavior |
| 22:19.25 | brlcad | alternative is to just detect the problem during import and print a message that there are incorrectly oriented segments |
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| 22:19.53 | brlcad | put that detection in a function, then it could be added to import/export/prep/tess/whatever |
| 22:20.38 | jdoliner | sorry that's nmg_booltree_lead_tess you're talking about |
| 22:20.53 | jdoliner | because Im not finding anything called import when I search |
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| 22:26.24 | jdoliner | k nm found it |
| 22:30.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Suryajith 07http://brlcad.org * r1335 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: |
| 22:32.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Suryajith 07http://brlcad.org * r1336 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: /* Proposed approach */ |
| 22:33.05 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, comments please |
| 22:33.08 | hippieindamakin8 | http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87 |
| 22:33.51 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, mafm ^ |
| 22:38.58 | mafm | nice, hippieindamakin8 |
| 22:39.16 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, comments :) |
| 22:39.37 | mafm | aesthetically? |
| 22:39.42 | mafm | technically, no idea :) |
| 22:40.08 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, :D |
| 22:40.22 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, meant technically |
| 22:41.00 | hippieindamakin8 | should be getting ready with a bug fix .. now i can do my course projects for the next 2-3 days |
| 22:41.28 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: I don't know much about b-reps or CSG or anything :P |
| 22:41.47 | mafm | as a proposal, if you want to submit that as application in the google app |
| 22:42.00 | mafm | it should have maybe less detail (or maybe not) |
| 22:42.16 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, are u familiar with the computational geometry algos using approximation ? |
| 22:42.24 | mafm | but it must contain milestones, plans for it (in weeks or something) and this kind of thing |
| 22:43.10 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, rt exactly |
| 22:43.17 | hippieindamakin8 | i forgot to mention the timeline :| |
| 22:43.25 | mafm | http://brlcad.org/wiki/OpenGL_GUI_Framework#Initial_Project_from_GSoC_2008 |
| 22:43.58 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, thanks i shall add it to both of them |
| 22:43.59 | mafm | I think that mine from last year works pretty well (it's incomplete, lacking personal info and so on, but gives you an idea about milestones, deliverables and other sections) |
| 22:44.49 | mafm | (my full proposal was more detailed, now that I see it in detail :) -- I can provide you one of my proposals where you can see the overall structure ) |
| 22:45.26 | mafm | and I'm not familiar with the details of CAD or rendering in any sense, I only take part in the infrastructure of things -- GUI, interfaces, etc :) |
| 22:45.44 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, i ll try to add it in :) i just have gone through madant_ 's proposal |
| 22:46.27 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, havent u put in any app this year? |
| 22:46.48 | mafm | I'm trying, right now |
| 22:48.01 | mafm | madant_'s one is also a good think to inspire you, specially with the schedule |
| 22:48.41 | mafm | but hey, brlcad is the Big Boss, so take advantage of him (erm... with tender and care :) ) |
| 22:48.43 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah that is elaborate |
| 22:48.53 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, yeah ;) |
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| 23:08.22 | Malyce | Hello |
| 23:08.33 | Malyce | I was reading through the Core C++ interface |
| 23:09.01 | Malyce | where can I find the class diagram for it ? |
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| 23:10.18 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: even at a glance, already better than last year :) |
| 23:10.59 | brlcad | you need to include a timeline with some basic goals/deliverables/objectives spelled out -- something that can help track progress |
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| 23:11.10 | brlcad | that goes for others as well, if you don't have a timeline yet |
| 23:11.22 | brlcad | it'll be one of my first comments |
| 23:11.24 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, working on it. thanks |
| 23:11.29 | hippieindamakin8 | :) |
| 23:11.59 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: also, make sure to read all the required stuff in the website |
| 23:12.02 | brlcad | also, feel free to link to a personal site or portfolio or paper or whatever if you have it to share |
| 23:12.29 | brlcad | doesn't need to be a resume, frankly don't care much where you've worked -- but if you can show things you've actually done, that can be useful |
| 23:12.38 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, sure. i ll put the links. |
| 23:13.06 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: yeah, what mafm said too -- there's a list of things you should be sure to include/cover |
| 23:13.11 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, rt now the ftp site of uNC is down so i shall put up the acm links |
| 23:13.12 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: such as: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Acceptance#List_your_milestones |
| 23:13.19 | Malyce | hiya |
| 23:13.22 | mafm | (and the rest of things in that page) |
| 23:13.29 | mafm | hi Malyce |
| 23:13.39 | Malyce | I managed to find the UML diagrams for Geometry engine and services |
| 23:13.49 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: don't want links to other people's stuff, I mean *your* stuff if you have anything |
| 23:13.51 | Malyce | but couldn't find the one for Core C++ interface |
| 23:13.51 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, with sleeplessness i forgot abt the requirements |
| 23:14.06 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, as in anything related to that ? |
| 23:14.11 | Malyce | Could you pass me a link ? |
| 23:14.59 | mafm | sorry Malyce, that's classified information |
| 23:15.12 | hippieindamakin8 | i shall set a link to my resume/site. my paper isnt anywhere close to this :P |
| 23:15.46 | mafm | (malyce: I mean... I don't know, maybe other people does ;) ) |
| 23:16.06 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, i just got a hosting from drupal(the free one) a couple of weeks ago :P that is pretty decent as a matter of fact |
| 23:16.35 | mafm | :) |
| 23:16.47 | Malyce | eh ? ok |
| 23:17.00 | Malyce | as long as the discussion is about passing links to previous works |
| 23:17.13 | Malyce | I don't really have links to what I have done |
| 23:17.37 | Malyce | But, for the past year, I have been working as a research assistant to formalize Solidworks 2008 |
| 23:18.21 | Malyce | I wrote VBA code for the Solidworks API, to extract CAD data to OmDoc(XML) and HASCASL(Haskell) |
| 23:18.48 | Malyce | And in the end, basically creating pointclouds from the CAD data |
| 23:19.04 | Malyce | Would such an explanation be any good ? |
| 23:20.11 | mafm | Malyce: if you're planning an application, you should read http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Acceptance and do something like http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Homovulgaris |
| 23:21.00 | mafm | milestones, schedule and other stuff depends heavily on what task do you plan to tackle |
| 23:21.05 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_'s app has become an example aint it :) |
| 23:21.10 | mafm | but in general, it should give you an idea |
| 23:21.24 | brlcad | Malyce: there aren't uml diagrams for the coreInterface -- but there is writeup for it on the wiki |
| 23:21.32 | Malyce | Yes, I read that. |
| 23:21.35 | brlcad | and the classes are pretty neatly organized -- it's not that complex |
| 23:21.49 | Malyce | oh, you mean the one from the Developer docs ? |
| 23:22.00 | brlcad | Malyce: also note that the uml diagrams that you read are likely out of date - but they do still have useful information |
| 23:22.05 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: I had the link around |
| 23:22.16 | brlcad | mostly on what those uml diagrams call the GeometryEngine is not entirely/still true |
| 23:22.27 | brlcad | and yes, the dev docs |
| 23:22.27 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, madant_ would be elated if he hears this |
| 23:23.02 | hippieindamakin8 | neways i better complete editing the proposal. its already 4:55 am and got a class from 10. |
| 23:23.18 | Malyce | I read a todo list in the repository for Geometry Engine |
| 23:23.28 | mafm | Malyce: also mine http://brlcad.org/wiki/OpenGL_GUI_Framework (personal info, background and so on not included), was accepted last year |
| 23:23.45 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: for references, I meant personal-portfolio information, like if you had a personal website where you show other projects you work on |
| 23:23.48 | brlcad | if not, no big deal |
| 23:23.49 | Malyce | It tells about what should be the end product, but not about the current issues |
| 23:23.51 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: get to work! :P :) |
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| 23:24.14 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i do have one. |
| 23:24.18 | hippieindamakin8 | i ll link it up |
| 23:24.20 | Malyce | Is there such a todo list, where I can find what part people are currently working ? |
| 23:25.20 | brlcad | Malyce: mostly by hanging out in irc and talking -- we don't keep anything documented like that because it is *constantly* changing for the most part |
| 23:26.36 | Malyce | I see. So to include a concrete list of what I can achieve, I should go through the current state of the repository ? |
| 23:26.57 | Malyce | I don't want to sound too vague, when I write a list of objectives. |
| 23:27.44 | brlcad | yeah, the more specific you can be, the better |
| 23:27.57 | brlcad | it is expected that you will have to learn much as you get started |
| 23:28.06 | brlcad | so pad for some of that time in your proposal |
| 23:28.19 | brlcad | there will have to be a lot of time for communication/discussion too throughout |
| 23:28.31 | brlcad | no student should be working in a vacuum |
| 23:29.08 | brlcad | as for the state of the repository, that's best understood by looking through what you can and asking questions -- I can probably answer a lot more quickly than you can find |
| 23:29.17 | brlcad | or at least point you in the right direction |
| 23:29.35 | brlcad | there's not much time left so there will be more time to tweak after the deadline |
| 23:29.48 | mafm | brlcad: the global illumination rendered was not done by andrecastelo? |
| 23:29.53 | mafm | renderer* even |
| 23:30.02 | Malyce | You said yesterday about the future merging of Core interface with Geometry Engine |
| 23:30.18 | Malyce | I have taken a look at both. I am still formulating some good objectives |
| 23:30.24 | Malyce | Any hints ? |
| 23:31.45 | brlcad | mafm: what do you mean? he worked on it, but he didn't finish |
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| 23:32.32 | brlcad | in fact, he didn't get to the global illumination aspect, he got to basic flat shade ray-tracing |
| 23:32.47 | brlcad | Malyce: are you the one familiar with SW? |
| 23:32.56 | Malyce | yes |
| 23:33.01 | brlcad | okay |
| 23:33.11 | Malyce | I have been working on it for quite a while |
| 23:33.16 | Malyce | not as a modeller though |
| 23:33.23 | Malyce | only with VB and the API |
| 23:33.48 | brlcad | well to relate to their api a little bit -- if I remember their api correctly, their approach does things a little like if we merged our geometry service together with the geometry engine |
| 23:34.08 | brlcad | basically that you attach to their geometry engine and send it actions/queries to perform |
| 23:34.16 | mafm | ah ok, it'll be a WIP too |
| 23:35.01 | Malyce | Hmm, I thought core services' syntax resembled more like their API syntax |
| 23:35.20 | brlcad | the goal of the geometry engine is to separate service actions, access control, and revisioning from the core representation and capabilities of geometry |
| 23:35.21 | Malyce | I haven't seen any examples for either Geometry Engine or services |
| 23:35.39 | brlcad | there are some coreinterface examples on the wiki |
| 23:35.43 | Malyce | Yes |
| 23:35.46 | Malyce | I have seen |
| 23:35.49 | brlcad | k |
| 23:35.54 | Malyce | but not for Geometry engine/services |
| 23:36.06 | Malyce | Are there any ? |
| 23:36.33 | brlcad | for all intensive purposes GeometryEngine==coreInterface |
| 23:36.51 | brlcad | geometry service is not involved |
| 23:37.01 | Malyce | I think I am beginning to understand. |
| 23:37.25 | Malyce | So, when you said you wanted to merge core interfaces with geometry engine, they both complement each other |
| 23:37.25 | mafm | brlcad, from your ideas list: Create a 3D geometry browser graphical interface using a common graphics engine (e.g. OGRE, Open Scene Graph, Crystal Space) -- isn't this the GUI that we've been making? |
| 23:37.33 | brlcad | the GeometryService *project* required the dev that was working on it to define some aspects of a GeometryEngine before one existed, before coreInterface was even to the point it is at now |
| 23:37.35 | Malyce | instead of substituting each other |
| 23:38.08 | Malyce | ok |
| 23:38.13 | brlcad | so the GS dev ended up duplicating some of the same design that was implemented by the other dev that was working on the coreInterface (d_rossberg) |
| 23:38.27 | brlcad | so they should be merged |
| 23:38.46 | brlcad | I think coreInterface has a lot more design to it already, but still has a LONG way to go |
| 23:38.51 | Malyce | So, is the plan to extend core interfaces, till it converges with Geometry engine ? |
| 23:38.58 | brlcad | yeah, sorta |
| 23:39.06 | Malyce | Sound cool |
| 23:39.17 | brlcad | in my mind, coreInterface is the GE but with a bad name :) |
| 23:39.27 | Malyce | Is the wiki out of date ? |
| 23:39.39 | brlcad | but then there are some aspects in the currently GS/GE-named GE that need to merge with it |
| 23:39.45 | brlcad | not horribly no |
| 23:39.58 | brlcad | that's where things are at -- a lot of work remains |
| 23:40.36 | brlcad | so probably your first step would be to work with d_rossberg and d-lo to merge the two or find the best way to consolidate them |
| 23:41.14 | Malyce | So core interfaces needs to cover all the standard libraries that BRL devs work with ? |
| 23:41.24 | Malyce | Should I put that down as an objective ? |
| 23:41.36 | brlcad | then itemize a few specific goals, like maybe adding support for all of the primitive types, or maybe defining brep entities, or maybe adding hierarchy traversal support, etc |
| 23:42.04 | brlcad | brl-cad's core libraries are presently LIBBU, LIBBN, LIBRT, LIBWDB, and LIBGED |
| 23:42.20 | brlcad | the Geometry Engine is an OO layer that sits on top of that functionality |
| 23:42.45 | brlcad | and uses those libraries to provide functionality |
| 23:43.05 | Malyce | Pardon me. I understand some of your lingo, but others I don't get: Defining brep entities ? |
| 23:43.28 | brlcad | depending on what portion of the API you work on, the task may even involve some refactoring -- pushing functionality that is in libged into librt, for example, so that the GE can use it more effectively |
| 23:43.40 | brlcad | brep is "boundary representation" |
| 23:43.52 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_representation |
| 23:44.21 | Malyce | Hierarchy transversal support has to do with inheritance ? Or does it have something to do with model parts ? |
| 23:44.23 | brlcad | http://en.wiki.mcneel.com/content/upload/images/Brep_structure.gif <-- pretty good image |
| 23:44.29 | brlcad | albeit detailed |
| 23:44.41 | brlcad | model parts .. traversing down a model hierarchy |
| 23:44.48 | brlcad | doing things while you traverse |
| 23:44.52 | brlcad | it's a common operation in librt |
| 23:45.00 | Malyce | That seems like something I am much more familiar with |
| 23:45.01 | brlcad | it becomes a set of iterators in OO |
| 23:45.16 | Malyce | Sounds simple |
| 23:45.30 | brlcad | that's why one of daniel's examples is traversal iirc -- you can see the difference |
| 23:45.34 | brlcad | looks for the link |
| 23:46.27 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Example_db_walk_tree |
| 23:46.40 | brlcad | that uses librt to traverse a geometry file and print all regions |
| 23:47.02 | Malyce | Thanks a ton brlcad |
| 23:47.11 | Malyce | this was exactly the sort of thing I was looking for |
| 23:47.16 | brlcad | this is similar but with the C++ interface as it currently stands: http://brlcad.org/wiki/CoreInterface_Tree_Walker_Example |
| 23:47.59 | brlcad | notes that needs lots of improvement :) |
| 23:48.43 | brlcad | no reason the C++ version should be that much more text than the C version :) |
| 23:48.57 | brlcad | though in all fairness, they do slightly different things |
| 23:49.01 | Malyce | ok, dumb question maybe, but is it not possible to save the file, and just run the db_walk to get the same result ? |
| 23:49.13 | brlcad | hm? |
| 23:49.26 | Malyce | It seems you have hierarchy transversal in the geometry files, but not in core interfaces, is it not ? |
| 23:49.28 | brlcad | save what file? |
| 23:49.46 | Malyce | I assumed the first example was transversal inside a stored database file |
| 23:50.11 | brlcad | our geometry database files (our .g file format) contain geometry with hierarchical information |
| 23:50.27 | Malyce | yes |
| 23:50.46 | brlcad | say you open a file and want to list all objects, that's easy enough, but say you want to print the hierarchy itself, then you need to traverse over the objects in their hierarchy order |
| 23:50.49 | Malyce | so, why can't a dirty shortcut like the one I mentioned above be used ? |
| 23:51.01 | Malyce | oh |
| 23:51.22 | Malyce | So the hierarchy isn't preserved ? |
| 23:51.38 | brlcad | of course it's preserved, but it's just bits on a disk |
| 23:51.53 | Malyce | so ? |
| 23:52.07 | brlcad | so I think you're missing something :) |
| 23:52.35 | brlcad | the API in this case is a routine to walk down a tree |
| 23:52.42 | Malyce | Is this the difference between doing it in realtime, and retrieving the info from storage ? |
| 23:52.48 | brlcad | on the C side in librt, one of those functions is db_walk_tree() |
| 23:53.12 | brlcad | you provide various callbacks to db_walk_tree() to tell it what to do when it encounters various object types |
| 23:53.26 | brlcad | your callbacks are invoked, and your application does what it needs to |
| 23:54.09 | brlcad | that's very much a procedural method of iteration, what one would generally expect with a C api |
| 23:54.25 | brlcad | for the C++ api, I would generally expect something else |
| 23:55.00 | Malyce | like ? |
| 23:55.21 | Malyce | Just something higher level ? |
| 23:55.36 | brlcad | which is what is shown in that example for the coreInterface -- there it defines a TopObjectIterator along with a callback, and as it iterates over 'good' objects (wtf), it calls that callback |
| 23:56.31 | brlcad | expectation is what it does -- iterator pattern instead of procedural callbacks |
| 23:58.35 | Malyce | And we can't have the same thing in C ? |
| 23:58.43 | Malyce | Is the difference in Classes ? |
| 23:58.54 | Malyce | iterators are not possible in C ? |
| 23:59.27 | mafm | languages with OO capabilities are cleaner in some ways, as this one :) |
| 23:59.46 | brlcad | mafm: right, there are no iterators |
| 00:00.09 | brlcad | at best, you could have an iterator function that is given an iteration state object |
| 00:00.12 | Malyce | I never realised this |
| 00:00.21 | mafm | you can create roughly the same functionality with C structs, but sometimes it's not as clean and usually ppl doesn't work with those idioms in C language |
| 00:00.36 | brlcad | sort of like strsep() .. it's not nearly as clean as just iterator++; |
| 00:00.49 | Malyce | Ease of use. yes, classes are nice |
| 00:01.02 | brlcad | with strsep(), you keep calling strsep and keep feeding it a new (state) pointer |
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| 00:01.10 | Malyce | Which is why you want the CoreInterfaces in C++ |
| 00:01.18 | brlcad | we have a C api |
| 00:01.28 | brlcad | the entire point is to provide a new/clean OO C++ API |
| 00:01.37 | Malyce | But, for the unified API, youd rather use C++ |
| 00:01.40 | Malyce | ok |
| 00:01.42 | brlcad | hm? |
| 00:01.47 | Malyce | same thing |
| 00:01.50 | brlcad | there is no 'unified' api |
| 00:02.02 | brlcad | there are the C libs, and this new C++ library |
| 00:02.12 | Malyce | the merging of Coreinterfaces with GeomEngine |
| 00:02.14 | brlcad | the C++ one sits on top of the C ones |
| 00:02.54 | brlcad | well, that's more just a "current state of affairs" .. there are two things that have the exact same goals, but were simply designed by two different devs mostly in isolation |
| 00:03.11 | brlcad | they need to merge simply because they are the same thing -- the differences have to be reconciled |
| 00:04.03 | Malyce | The Tree walker example, is that hypothetical ? |
| 00:04.13 | brlcad | no, we do that sort of thing all the time |
| 00:04.26 | brlcad | you can find dozens of examples of it throughout the brl-cad code |
| 00:04.30 | Malyce | Or, if it works, then don't you already have traversal support ? |
| 00:04.54 | brlcad | we have traversal support in C -- that's the db_walk_tree() function (and there are about 6 others too) |
| 00:05.09 | brlcad | that one in C++ was just implemented like last week |
| 00:05.28 | Malyce | so, you do have traversal support in C++ now ? |
| 00:05.43 | brlcad | the one you just saw... |
| 00:05.58 | Malyce | k, is there anything I can add ? |
| 00:06.13 | brlcad | undoubtedly |
| 00:06.24 | brlcad | again, that code is brand new, hasn't even been reviewed by anyone really |
| 00:06.34 | brlcad | and it's actually longer than the C example |
| 00:06.43 | Malyce | Yes, funnily |
| 00:06.44 | brlcad | that's not right -- something could be improved there I'm sure |
| 00:07.09 | Malyce | I'll add that to my list |
| 00:07.16 | Malyce | anything else that comes to mind ? |
| 00:07.23 | brlcad | to say you're going to work on that would be missing the boat a little bit though -- there's hundreds of pieces of functionality like that in LIBRT that need to be translated to OO C++ API form |
| 00:07.43 | brlcad | you're obviously not going to implement everything |
| 00:08.00 | brlcad | mafm: here!, I can't keep toggling |
| 00:08.08 | brlcad | and it shouldn't be private |
| 00:08.21 | brlcad | doesn't matter if there's something else also being discussed |
| 00:08.36 | mafm | ah ok, sorry :D |
| 00:08.39 | Malyce | But, you need a specific list of goals |
| 00:08.45 | brlcad | Malyce: yes |
| 00:08.53 | Malyce | Saying that I wish to extend Coreinterfaces won't be enough |
| 00:09.06 | Malyce | I'll need more specifics ? |
| 00:09.21 | brlcad | so you could work on cleaning up tree traversal -- to do that I'd suggest looking at those two examples as well as the other iterators in librt .. see how they could be defined best as c++ |
| 00:11.15 | mafm | brlcad: so do I repeat the questions here? |
| 00:11.25 | brlcad | Malyce: probably best is to peruse what librt presently does, what coreInterface presently does, and what the other GS/GE-defined engine does .. then describe those categorical areas of the API -- those categories of API in LIBRT very likely correspond to objects in C++ |
| 00:11.27 | mafm | the 1st one was already posted in this channel |
| 00:11.42 | brlcad | the basic structs in C mostly correspond to C++ classes nearly 1-1 |
| 00:12.02 | brlcad | mafm: yes, the discussion log would be useless for others otherwise |
| 00:12.17 | brlcad | what was the first question? |
| 00:12.26 | mafm | brlcad, from your ideas list: Create a 3D geometry browser graphical interface using a common graphics engine (e.g. OGRE, Open Scene Graph, Crystal Space) -- isn't this the GUI that we've been making? |
| 00:12.34 | brlcad | that is the gui |
| 00:12.47 | brlcad | more specifically, that would ideally be a plugin in the new gui infrastructure |
| 00:13.45 | brlcad | more interestingly, it becomes a plugin in the gui infrastructure that talks to the geometry service for getting geometry |
| 00:14.10 | brlcad | this is a great article by a friend on the drupal dev team: http://webchick.net/embrace-the-chaos |
| 00:14.20 | mafm | I don't understand, isn't "browser" the view? |
| 00:15.06 | Malyce | You mentioned support for primitives |
| 00:15.20 | Malyce | a quick look reveals revolves, bsplines etc |
| 00:15.26 | Malyce | I can move this to C++ |
| 00:15.39 | Malyce | And I have worked with these before in SW |
| 00:15.51 | Malyce | So I have an idea of what to do |
| 00:16.04 | brlcad | Malyce: there's no moving |
| 00:16.20 | brlcad | you're creating a library that sits on top of libbu, libbn, librt, libwdb, libged :) |
| 00:16.32 | Malyce | that is what I meant. Sorry, my lingo sucks |
| 00:16.47 | Malyce | but, I can do that |
| 00:16.53 | brlcad | if working with entites is more familiar, then start there |
| 00:17.05 | Malyce | It seems like a big chunk of work |
| 00:17.17 | brlcad | absolutely |
| 00:17.23 | Malyce | coupled with hierarchy transversal, I think it will keep me occupied |
| 00:17.30 | Malyce | big enough objective ? |
| 00:17.43 | brlcad | you should post whatever you come up with onto the brlcad-devel mailing list, see if you can get rossberg to comment on your goals |
| 00:18.06 | brlcad | he'd likely be the mentor or d-lo if you worked on that project |
| 00:18.06 | Malyce | I think that covering all the primitives would be hard |
| 00:18.15 | brlcad | then maybe focus on just that |
| 00:18.29 | mafm | 2nd question: Create a ray-trace service daemon with a simple tcp communications interface (similar to remrt, but more of a persistent daemon) -- do you think that is it doable as gsoc project? I don't think that this raytracing is covered by geometry service |
| 00:18.37 | brlcad | traversal was just an easily demonstrateable point since there are already demos of both in both APIs |
| 00:18.58 | brlcad | mafm: ray-tracing is covered by the GS |
| 00:19.07 | brlcad | it's actually one of its critical requirements |
| 00:19.39 | brlcad | it's being developed specifically to callers to shoot rays at geometry and get back the results :) |
| 00:19.59 | brlcad | s/to callers to/so callers can/ |
| 00:20.34 | mafm | good, so scrap that one too :) |
| 00:20.52 | brlcad | so the task there, mafm, could be to work on the GS directly and work on the class(es) that get hooked into by the job manager that will issue rays |
| 00:21.03 | brlcad | that'd be a pretty hot topic |
| 00:21.10 | brlcad | why scrap it? |
| 00:21.15 | mafm | the 3rd one was a curiosity -- Implement or integrate a RenderMan-compliant interface (e.g. Pixie) to BRL-CAD's ray-trace library -- my gsoc of 2007 was with Aqsis, rival of Pixie :) but it was not about rendering, but multithreading |
| 00:21.41 | mafm | oh, I meant, if dlo or daniel are already working on it... |
| 00:21.49 | brlcad | pixie is all lgpl, aqsis has nasty gpl portions ;) |
| 00:21.55 | brlcad | otherwise, yeah, same thing |
| 00:21.57 | Malyce | devs@brlcad.org ? i think it might take too long for him to respond. Maybe I should proceed with writing this stuff down and submitting ? |
| 00:22.06 | brlcad | mafm: they're huge tasks |
| 00:22.18 | brlcad | collaborative efforts would be way cooler than independent efforts |
| 00:22.23 | brlcad | Malyce: no |
| 00:22.28 | brlcad | see the wiki |
| 00:22.32 | mafm | Malyce: you should submit the application nevertheless, otherwise you'll miss the deadline |
| 00:22.36 | brlcad | it has instructions in the gsoc pages on getting there |
| 00:22.53 | brlcad | yeah, you should submit asap just so you're in -- you can tweak and update afterwards |
| 00:23.01 | mafm | Malyce: you can edit the proposal later. also the address is wrong. |
| 00:23.11 | brlcad | I'd suggest submitting it as soon as you have it done, then post to the list for feedback |
| 00:23.21 | brlcad | and/or to a user wiki page |
| 00:23.35 | Malyce | I have more than 12 hrs, right ? |
| 00:23.50 | Malyce | just to be sure |
| 00:23.52 | Malyce | ? |
| 00:23.57 | brlcad | Malyce: *you* do.. but it would be nice if we could have some time to review and discuss it :) |
| 00:24.02 | Malyce | yes |
| 00:24.04 | Malyce | certainly |
| 00:24.06 | Malyce | I will do that |
| 00:24.31 | mafm | about rendermans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie_(renderer) says GPL and LGPL, anyway BRL-CAD would not use them (but the other way around), so I don't kow why that would matter :) |
| 00:24.37 | brlcad | i mean we'll have the upcoming week, but its only going to get harder as the deadline approaches and there are a dozen half-discussed applications |
| 00:24.45 | brlcad | I expect a little bit of a flurry of discussion tomorrow |
| 00:24.48 | mafm | anyway, I didn't touch any renderman-specific part, so nevermind :) |
| 00:24.53 | brlcad | seems to be accellerating as the deadline approaches |
| 00:25.03 | brlcad | agree that it should have been a monday deadline instead of a friday one :) |
| 00:25.08 | brlcad | but therein is the planning |
| 00:25.20 | brlcad | mafm: okay |
| 00:25.48 | brlcad | it's not actually implementing renderman spec (though that is an option) .. as that is indeed a project in itself |
| 00:26.39 | brlcad | it's hooking into something like aqsis/pixie as either a lighting model or shader .. and making their code use librt to shoot at the geometry (instead of whatever they implemented) |
| 00:27.03 | mafm | I mean, I don't know how to map their operations to brlcad's :) |
| 00:27.11 | brlcad | so using their code to parse the renderman scripts, manage textures, etc, but use our ray-tracing |
| 00:27.16 | brlcad | fair enough |
| 00:27.35 | brlcad | it's a bit of a project to say the least -- would probably require modifying pixie to call our tracer |
| 00:27.45 | brlcad | unless they really made it that cleanly modular |
| 00:27.56 | brlcad | would definitely require hooks on our end, probably a new shader |
| 00:28.03 | mafm | I think that I'll settle in something between GUI and the GS, or some part of the GS |
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| 00:29.34 | brlcad | getting the GUI talking to the GS and/or working directly on the GS are both pretty high-priority/valuable/cool projects |
| 00:29.43 | brlcad | pretty well-defined too |
| 00:30.14 | brlcad | I kinda like the goal of making the GS shoot rays for you |
| 00:32.25 | mafm | the GS would be a kind of remote daemon accepting commands via TCP, to perform operations on an open geometry |
| 00:32.41 | mafm | and sending data back and forth for visualization in the GUI |
| 00:32.42 | mafm | right? |
| 00:33.37 | mafm | so what we need is a wrapper in the thin client that it's the gui, a kind of couterpart of GS for the client (or clients) |
| 00:33.48 | brlcad | the GS has an example daemon already (gs0) |
| 00:34.24 | brlcad | you could hook it into the gui, or just make your own little daemon that just issues commands and demonstrates capability |
| 00:34.41 | brlcad | once you had it working, could then work on hooking it up |
| 00:34.49 | brlcad | and ripping out the libged components in the gui |
| 00:35.13 | brlcad | it already has enough hooks to open geometry and list objects |
| 00:35.41 | mafm | gs0 is the server/-ice part, right? or an example of how a client should call the GS? |
| 00:39.32 | mafm | I don't know if the client component talking to the GS would be better modelled as a separate process, as an object instantiable by the gui with mostly hardcoded API (functions), or with an interpreter that would validate commands before sending them over to the GS |
| 00:39.42 | mafm | reading the wiki, searching for that info |
| 00:40.11 | brlcad | it might be the server part, I forget |
| 00:40.18 | brlcad | either way, writing a client is trivial |
| 00:41.16 | brlcad | the point of the service is to not have to hard-code a list of commands in various places -- so you'd either just pass the command to the GS and have it tell you if it's valid or not, or have a routine on the GS that reports a manifest of valid commands |
| 00:41.30 | brlcad | probably better served reading the sources |
| 00:42.12 | mafm | imagine a db like mysql |
| 00:43.15 | mafm | notes: db, not proper rdbms :P ;) |
| 00:43.15 | Malyce | what are 'nmg's ? |
| 00:43.16 | brlcad | the GS is only accessible over a socket |
| 00:43.16 | brlcad | whether local or remote |
| 00:43.19 | brlcad | Malyce: nmgs are n-manifold geometry |
| 00:43.25 | Malyce | k |
| 00:43.38 | brlcad | for all intensive purposes, they're boundary representation geometry |
| 00:43.39 | mafm | the GS could provide kind of libmysql libraries, so the clients can use those libraries to talk directly to the rdbms, abstracting network operations and all that |
| 00:43.58 | brlcad | technically, they are an implementation of the radial edge data structure for representing boundary representation geometry |
| 00:44.17 | brlcad | there are links on wikipedia for all of those terms I used if you don't know what they are :) |
| 00:44.33 | Malyce | For some reason, the b-spline primitive seems to be quite big, compared to others. I assume, this is because other primitives build on it ? |
| 00:44.50 | brlcad | mafm: possibly, but for simplicity, only care right now about getting the socket communication working |
| 00:45.03 | brlcad | the geometry engine is the compiled library interface |
| 00:45.17 | brlcad | the service is a true service, you'll connect to a port and chatter |
| 00:45.18 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads, GSOC'rs |
| 00:45.22 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob |
| 00:45.28 | brlcad | yukonbob: are you signed up? |
| 00:45.28 | pacman87 | hi yukonbob |
| 00:45.31 | brlcad | someone's not signed up |
| 00:45.52 | yukonbob | what's the signup drlil? |
| 00:45.54 | yukonbob | *drill |
| 00:46.01 | brlcad | Malyce: don't bother looking at the bspline primitive |
| 00:46.05 | brlcad | it's going away |
| 00:46.13 | brlcad | sochop.appspot.com |
| 00:46.31 | Malyce | what about n-manifolds ? |
| 00:46.33 | brlcad | create a profile, request to be added to brl-cad, I confirm, you reconfirm, and we're good |
| 00:46.35 | yukonbob | "sochop": cute. |
| 00:46.43 | brlcad | er, socghop |
| 00:46.51 | brlcad | sochop would have been better |
| 00:47.24 | brlcad | Malyce: what about them? |
| 00:47.54 | brlcad | n-manifolds are topological structure -- you'll end up needing most of that |
| 00:48.04 | brlcad | look at how primitives are already being supported by the core interface |
| 00:48.23 | brlcad | leaves for a bit |
| 00:48.31 | Malyce | theay are still going to be needed ? |
| 00:48.55 | poolio | howdy all, brlcad |
| 00:49.11 | brlcad | Malyce: yes, everything except bsplines |
| 00:49.15 | brlcad | howdy poolio |
| 00:50.04 | Malyce | where exactly is core interface in src ? |
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| 00:53.10 | yukonbob | Malyce: core interface to what? |
| 00:54.23 | Malyce | Core C++ Interfaces |
| 00:55.20 | mafm | yukonbob: I think that it's daniel's project |
| 00:57.03 | poolio | If anyone is interested in knowing more about brep/needs help understanding what's currently there, I can lend a hand...maybe :) |
| 00:58.39 | yukonbob | fsck... that sign-in keeps crashing my browser |
| 00:58.57 | mafm | yukonbob: konqueror? |
| 00:59.14 | yukonbob | ffox |
| 00:59.34 | poolio | yukonbob: is this on linux? I've had a ton of stability issues with ffox lately |
| 01:00.20 | mafm | I had to do stuff with ffox, konqueror sometimes crashed |
| 01:00.38 | yukonbob | poolio: NetBSD |
| 01:00.46 | mafm | yay for foss-unfriendly google gsoc stuff :D |
| 01:01.35 | Malyce | so, does anyone know, where the actual code for Core C++ Interfaces is in the src directory ? |
| 01:03.11 | mafm | Malyce: it's in rt^3 module, src/coreInterface |
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| 01:08.50 | Malyce | thanks |
| 01:12.17 | Malyce | Is this all ? |
| 01:12.29 | Malyce | Seems there is no support as of yet for any primitive support |
| 01:12.47 | Malyce | scratch the second 'support' |
| 01:13.05 | mafm | there's no private development AFAIK, so all that it's developed should be there |
| 01:13.49 | Malyce | except for arb8 |
| 01:14.16 | Malyce | so, arb8 is the only primitive so far supported by Core C++ Interfaces |
| 01:14.42 | mafm | shrugs |
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| 01:17.13 | Malyce | ok |
| 01:17.38 | Malyce | I had thought, it would be possible to include support for a single primitive within 5-15 hours |
| 01:17.52 | Malyce | but I guess that was far too optimistic |
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| 01:38.49 | AlexandreGuedes | How many students will be accepted for brl-CAD in gsoc 2009 ? |
| 01:39.02 | AlexandreGuedes | two ? |
| 01:39.35 | mafm | brlcad: back? |
| 01:39.47 | mafm | AlexandreGuedes: for brl-cad? up to 4, I think |
| 01:41.01 | AlexandreGuedes | mafm: You are trying to ? |
| 01:44.22 | mafm | AlexandreGuedes: yes |
| 01:57.36 | AlexandreGuedes | mafm: Will it be Sean sleeping now? |
| 01:57.39 | AlexandreGuedes | incredible |
| 01:57.56 | mafm | maybe 8| |
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| 02:02.34 | brlcad | probably somewhere between 2 and 5 slots, depends on a lot of factors |
| 02:02.56 | brlcad | like the fact that many of you haven't posted your applications yet, which may result in us getting fewer slots regardless of what we request :) |
| 02:03.14 | brlcad | Malyce: core interfaces is in the rt^3 module |
| 02:03.24 | brlcad | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/ |
| 02:04.07 | brlcad | poolio: you're also welcome to be a mentor if you're interested (a backup mentor) .. and all you'd have to do at a minimum is be willing to sign up and accept a free t-shirt ;) |
| 02:05.13 | brlcad | Malyce: http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/rt%5E3/trunk/src/coreInterface/ .. there are two primitives at a glance |
| 02:05.23 | brlcad | arb8 and halfspace |
| 02:05.53 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: sleepiwhat? |
| 02:06.16 | Malyce | I have completed my proposal |
| 02:06.20 | Malyce | I will post it soon |
| 02:06.22 | brlcad | awesome |
| 02:06.30 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: heuehue |
| 02:06.33 | brlcad | yukonbob: no account yet? |
| 02:06.43 | Malyce | I have a question. How do I attach my cover letter and Resume ? |
| 02:07.13 | brlcad | not really necessary, but you're welcome to include/link to it if you like -- basic background information about yourself can sometimes be interesting |
| 02:07.33 | brlcad | more interesting is usually how you work and interact, how quickly you learn, how much a pain in the ass you can be, etc ;) |
| 02:08.14 | Malyce | Then I guess no need for resume |
| 02:08.24 | Malyce | But I'd like to put in a short cover letter |
| 02:08.29 | brlcad | link it if you think it'll help ;) |
| 02:08.40 | brlcad | if it'll be a waste of time, don't link it ;) |
| 02:08.56 | Malyce | Can I create a new document in the GSOC toolbar, and add it ? |
| 02:09.07 | Malyce | Just a short letter |
| 02:09.49 | brlcad | time is often well spent adding more detail to the proposal, or working on a second backup proposal, or working on a patch |
| 02:09.53 | brlcad | i dunno really, give it a try |
| 02:13.43 | mafm | Malyce: this is not applying for a job, cover letters are not needed. a link to your CV might come in handy, though |
| 02:14.53 | Malyce | I wanted to give my background in working with Solidworks API |
| 02:15.58 | mafm | you can add that in the "Content" section of the application too, as past experience for instance |
| 02:17.53 | Malyce | allright |
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| 02:21.58 | mafm | brlcad: coreInterface is in a very early stage of development it seems, and what's about iBME? it appears to include some plan for GUI too... |
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| 02:25.29 | brlcad | Malyce: be sure to read this if you haven't yet: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application_Guidelines |
| 02:26.05 | brlcad | also worth including in your proposal is what you hope to gain out of participating in GSoC and what plans for your project (if any) do you have after GSoC is over |
| 02:29.43 | Malyce | ok |
| 02:29.49 | Malyce | I will edit my proposal |
| 02:29.57 | Malyce | but I have already posted it |
| 02:30.02 | Malyce | iamtanmay |
| 02:37.00 | mafm | brlcad: you tell me to talk in the channel, but then ignore when I talk :P |
| 02:41.33 | yukonbob | brlcad: my browser crashes trying to register :P !!! |
| 02:45.13 | mafm | well, going to sleep |
| 02:45.15 | mafm | night |
| 02:47.48 | brlcad | wasn't ignoring him, wouldn't have answered pm either :P |
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| 02:55.49 | Malyce | So, how to I get feedback from d_rossberg ? |
| 02:56.52 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: so you know, I generally don't answer "hello" messages in PMs -- but I'm more than happy to talk once you say something more than hello |
| 02:57.03 | brlcad | if it's a dev or gsoc question, though, it probably shouldn't be in private |
| 02:57.45 | brlcad | Malyce: post to the brlcad-devel mailing list, and ask for feedback from him or others (or leave it open-ended) |
| 02:58.17 | Malyce | can you give me the mailing list ? The one on the GSOC website was wrong |
| 02:58.25 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: I have a question about patch to gsoc acceptance.. |
| 02:59.00 | AlexandreGuedes | As sample patch I could implement an alteration that allows users to visualize the exported model. |
| 02:59.27 | AlexandreGuedes | That would be interesting and acceptable? |
| 02:59.41 | brlcad | Malyce: wrong how so? it shouldn't be |
| 02:59.45 | AlexandreGuedes | I should use glut and opengl functions. |
| 03:00.02 | brlcad | Malyce: it's also on our wiki under the submission guidelines |
| 03:00.30 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: we have a modeler and ray-tracing system for visualizing models.. :) |
| 03:01.02 | Malyce | where can I find info on the patch that we have to do ? |
| 03:01.11 | brlcad | plus, how are you going to visualize a boolean operation between an implicit ellipsoid and a torus? |
| 03:01.11 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: but is to visualizing exported models... |
| 03:01.44 | brlcad | Malyce: what do you mean? |
| 03:02.38 | Malyce | Do we have to write a patch as a prerequisite to GSOC ? |
| 03:02.39 | brlcad | you do whatever patch you want to do |
| 03:02.53 | Malyce | Is it necessary ? |
| 03:02.58 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: it is just to modes that were already exported |
| 03:03.02 | Malyce | Or is it complementary ? |
| 03:03.12 | brlcad | technically, no you don't *have* to .. but your chances will be massively hindered if you don't at least do something |
| 03:03.21 | brlcad | if you can do something impressive, that can *greatly* increase your chances |
| 03:03.54 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: native tounge portuguese or spanish? |
| 03:04.46 | AlexandreGuedes | portuguese |
| 03:05.11 | yukonbob | brlcad: "linkid" can be arbitrary string? |
| 03:05.20 | brlcad | basically you'll be considered whether you make a patch or not -- but most have submitted a patch and that *really* helps get a feel for how you code and where we're starting |
| 03:05.28 | brlcad | yukonbob: whatever you want it to be |
| 03:05.46 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: ah, okay .. I can only read that and not very well, fluent in spanish |
| 03:06.04 | Malyce | I could work on the Hierarchy Transversal Support |
| 03:06.18 | brlcad | so AlexandreGuedes -- I wouldn't suggest an exported model viewer, it's more important for us to import than export :) |
| 03:06.48 | AlexandreGuedes | ok.. |
| 03:07.04 | Malyce | would that be something acceptable ? |
| 03:07.17 | Malyce | if I could work on it and improve it somewhat ? |
| 03:08.18 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: how much time do you think you have for a patch? |
| 03:08.39 | brlcad | that can kinda steer how big of an idea you might be able to handle -- a couple hours, couple days? |
| 03:08.44 | yukonbob | brlcad: submitted |
| 03:08.48 | brlcad | ok |
| 03:09.14 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: i can submit my patch after 3 april ? |
| 03:09.20 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: yes |
| 03:09.35 | Malyce | Oh, that would be great |
| 03:09.35 | brlcad | just should let someone know if that's the plan, maybe state it in your proposal |
| 03:09.51 | brlcad | you have all the way up until we do final rankings and select |
| 03:09.56 | brlcad | but obviously the sooner the better |
| 03:10.11 | AlexandreGuedes | i have enough time |
| 03:10.11 | Malyce | Or maybe if you could suggest another idea, I could work on it faster |
| 03:10.16 | brlcad | as we'll be less inclined to bump you much higher/lower the closer we are to the deadline |
| 03:11.11 | brlcad | fixing bugs is always a great way to show your skill as it involves comprehending and navigating code more than writing it |
| 03:11.15 | brlcad | writing code is pretty easy |
| 03:11.35 | brlcad | reading it is hard |
| 03:12.07 | Malyce | where can I see the bug list ? |
| 03:12.07 | brlcad | yet with open source, unlike school work and short-lived commercial products, you usually end up reading code WAY more than you write code |
| 03:12.28 | brlcad | there's a BUGS file in the source checkout as well as a bugs tracker on sourceforge |
| 03:12.44 | brlcad | Malyce: I'm really getting the feeling that you've not read everything that you're supposed to read on the wiki |
| 03:12.54 | brlcad | most of this is even itemized there :) |
| 03:13.03 | Malyce | I've tried, sorry. |
| 03:13.08 | brlcad | the brl-cad wiki, not the gsoc wiki |
| 03:14.55 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: ok... |
| 03:15.06 | brlcad | so there's this: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Checklist as well as http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/HACKING |
| 03:15.11 | brlcad | both good reading to get started |
| 03:15.19 | brlcad | the latter describes where the trackers are |
| 03:15.30 | brlcad | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/BUGS is the venerable bugs file |
| 03:15.39 | brlcad | https://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad has the trackers |
| 03:15.46 | AlexandreGuedes | i'll try fix a bug |
| 03:15.56 | brlcad | difference is basically internally reported bugs vs externally reported bugs |
| 03:16.38 | Malyce | You are right, I hadn't seen this page |
| 03:17.38 | brlcad | if you want to try a new code project, I suggest a simple importer that we don't have like obj-g, x3d-g, or vrml-g (but should still follow our HACKING guidelines) |
| 03:18.28 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: it is just i would propouse |
| 03:19.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1340 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application_Guidelines: link to the checklist in a few more places |
| 03:19.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1341 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application_Guidelines: silly preview |
| 03:20.08 | AlexandreGuedes | i'm writing my document ... |
| 03:20.33 | brlcad | Malyce: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009 is where the checklist was principally mentioned |
| 03:22.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1342 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: /* Getting Started */ |
| 03:23.07 | Malyce | The first bug: "Windows MSVC build files seem to have the project dependencies all |
| 03:23.08 | Malyce | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.33 | Malyce | It would be easier for me to fix. But, will it count as a good patch ? |
| 03:25.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1343 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Checklist: er, wtf.. send them to the subscribe page, not the archives |
| 03:25.29 | brlcad | Malyce: better than nothing, but would certainly prefer code over build system |
| 03:25.43 | brlcad | and that task is WAY more tedious than you are aware |
| 03:26.36 | brlcad | we have 400+ applications in BRL-CAD, about two-dozen libraries |
| 03:27.02 | brlcad | specifying dependencies for 400+ items is rather grueling :) |
| 03:28.07 | Malyce | I see |
| 03:28.09 | Malyce | * bot-bldxf fails in db_walk_tree(), interface may have changed |
| 03:28.10 | Malyce | ? |
| 03:28.18 | Malyce | too trivial ? |
| 03:29.39 | brlcad | m, I don't recall what that bug entailed |
| 03:29.48 | brlcad | so no, not too trivial if you figure that out and fix it ;) |
| 03:30.12 | Malyce | allright |
| 03:30.13 | brlcad | not too exciting a bug to fix, but certainly more useful than build system |
| 03:31.09 | jonored | Is there another branch that the brep primitive is being worked on in, or is trunk it? |
| 03:33.35 | brlcad | trunk is it |
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| 03:34.30 | brlcad | and I just verified, the lists are not incorrect |
| 03:35.05 | Malyce | Thanks a lot brlcad. I will get some sleep now, and then work on the patch. |
| 03:35.08 | Malyce | Goodnight |
| 03:35.22 | brlcad | cool, cya |
| 03:40.10 | jonored | So writing rt_brep_norm and maybe rt_brep_curve would be a good patch? they seem to not be there in trunk. |
| 03:50.57 | brlcad | jonored: wow, and would be impressive if you actually did.. |
| 03:51.15 | brlcad | you know what is involved there? :) |
| 03:58.20 | jonored | The first one looks like it's not that bad... it looks like the uv coordinates are stored and passed back, and for the normal it seems like that should be either calling EvNormal or taking the cross product of the u and v derivatives... am I missing something entirely? Curvature would take thinking about calc, though. |
| 03:59.18 | brlcad | it'll hard to implement and verify without brep ray tracing being complete |
| 03:59.25 | brlcad | it only works on some basic shapes at the moment |
| 03:59.38 | brlcad | though I suppose you could use one of the test cases we already have that render correctly |
| 03:59.43 | brlcad | and get uv working right there |
| 03:59.57 | brlcad | hey, no -- that's cool -- go for it :) |
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| 04:15.36 | andrecastelo | nice mail, brlcad |
| 04:15.57 | andrecastelo | just finished reading the tale of two developers ;) |
| 04:16.58 | bjorkintosh | tail of two developers? |
| 04:17.03 | bjorkintosh | was a bikeshed involved? |
| 04:17.58 | andrecastelo | bjorkintosh: the dreaded bike shed ;) |
| 04:18.08 | andrecastelo | bjorkintosh: http://webchick.net/embrace-the-chaos |
| 04:18.35 | brlcad | thanks andrecastelo |
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| 04:19.58 | brlcad | love it, particularly relevant for some of the devs on brl-cad and new devs in general |
| 04:20.03 | brlcad | one of the hardest tendencies to break |
| 04:20.30 | brlcad | but one that almost *invariably* happens with impassioned open source devs |
| 04:22.06 | andrecastelo | i was never much of a pat person ;) i remember last year, someone said he/she (don't remember now) liked big commits |
| 04:23.10 | bjorkintosh | Pat works in isolation |
| 04:23.20 | bjorkintosh | pat is just a skunk-works kinda guy. |
| 04:23.42 | bjorkintosh | probably should be working for said organization. |
| 04:24.37 | bjorkintosh | hah. |
| 04:37.48 | starseeker | fixes archer icon colors |
| 04:40.18 | yukonbob | heads for home... maybe a coffee on the way.. |
| 05:01.44 | brlcad | plays with the concept, still far from done: http://brlcad.org/tmp/arb8faces.png |
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| 05:10.42 | Ralith|trip | checks in again |
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| 06:04.25 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: hi |
| 06:04.44 | AlexandreGuedes | file formats like obj vrml and x3d |
| 06:05.14 | AlexandreGuedes | are not CGS system |
| 06:06.09 | AlexandreGuedes | i should convert these in a BOT |
| 06:07.24 | AlexandreGuedes | (Bag of Triangles) |
| 07:42.25 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: are you on ? |
| 07:43.07 | alex_joni | AlexandreGuedes: it's night over there |
| 07:43.11 | alex_joni | wait a couple hours |
| 07:43.24 | AlexandreGuedes | hum.. |
| 07:43.48 | AlexandreGuedes | alex_joni: where are you from ? |
| 07:50.14 | pacman87 | ~ask |
| 07:50.14 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 07:50.55 | pacman87 | AlexandreGuedes: ^^ |
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| 07:51.46 | b0ef | was any work started on the new interactive gui? |
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| 08:20.10 | alex_joni | AlexandreGuedes: .ro |
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| 08:43.36 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: yes, they are non-csg, so you convert to a non-csg during export (there are plenty of examples of other converters), or pick another converter that does support csg (like pov-g) |
| 08:44.23 | brlcad | b0ef: yes, but discussion for later |
| 09:46.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03202.3.77.143 07http://brlcad.org * r1344 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: /* Deliverables */ |
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| 10:05.05 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, any comments ? |
| 10:06.38 | hippieindamakin8 | on the wiki |
| 10:09.51 | mafm | hallo |
| 10:11.23 | hippieindamakin8 | hey mafm |
| 10:11.30 | hippieindamakin8 | good morning |
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| 10:46.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Suryajith 07http://brlcad.org * r1347 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: |
| 10:51.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Suryajith 07http://brlcad.org * r1348 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: |
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| 11:36.56 | AlexandreGuedes | my plan is use simple shapes like triangles to represent a model |
| 11:37.39 | mafm | AlexandreGuedes: did you submit them? |
| 11:38.20 | AlexandreGuedes | not yet |
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| 11:49.33 | mafm | AlexandreGuedes: you only have a few hours left |
| 11:49.48 | mafm | madant: hippieindamakin8: welcome back |
| 11:49.57 | AlexandreGuedes | i'm finishing |
| 11:50.13 | mafm | nice :) |
| 11:50.25 | AlexandreGuedes | thanks |
| 11:50.28 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, hey :) |
| 11:50.41 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, making a presentation on NOx emmisions :P |
| 11:50.43 | AlexandreGuedes | this week i had many dead lines.. |
| 11:52.06 | mafm | AlexandreGuedes: be sure to submit to google first to not have problems later, then try to follow the specific brlcad deadlines: submitting it to the mailing list, creating pages in the wiki, starting to think about a patch if you haven't yet, etc :) |
| 11:52.31 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: I hope that you're not making a hands-on NOx emission! |
| 11:52.49 | mafm | or rather, live methane emission |
| 11:52.50 | mafm | :P |
| 11:53.37 | hippieindamakin8 | :P mafm nope .my term paper for the energy systems course was on NOx emmisions and HCCI technology |
| 11:57.26 | mafm | nice |
| 11:57.52 | mafm | maybe you should apply for tata instead of brlcad! ;) |
| 12:02.47 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: our format is very generalized and flexible, so you will be able to import their geometry into our container with pretty much 1-1 faithful preservation |
| 12:02.59 | brlcad | if they have polygons, you import as nmg |
| 12:03.06 | brlcad | if they have triangles, you import as bot |
| 12:03.13 | brlcad | if they have primitives, you import as primitives, etc |
| 12:03.47 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: not yet -- said submitting near the deadline would make things more tough! several need a review |
| 12:04.31 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i do understand :) u did tell us that u would be extremely busy at this point of time |
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| 12:08.04 | mafm | wants a percentage of google stipends for herding gsoc students into brlcad trap :P |
| 12:21.36 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, how abt keep mafm happy fund :P |
| 12:25.40 | mafm | yay, that'll make it :D |
| 12:26.30 | mafm | I'll donate 1 or 2 pennies to brlcad too, for his patience |
| 12:26.42 | mafm | brlcad-the-man, I mean |
| 12:27.57 | mafm | bbiab |
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| 12:42.28 | starseeker | brlcad: nice sketch! |
| 12:42.55 | starseeker | I'd suggest that it might be better to have the green faces non-transparent, and leave the center cube transparent |
| 12:44.50 | starseeker | but a VERY nice job - I take it you did that in BRL-CAD itself? |
| 12:45.24 | hippieindamakin8 | hey starseeker |
| 12:47.00 | starseeker | howdy |
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| 12:56.54 | starseeker | hippieindamakin8: I notice you suggest the use of LiDIA, which would in turn involve LAPACK. That's a pretty hefty set of requirements |
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| 12:59.05 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, yeah but re-implementing the multi-precision floating point libs takes way too much of time |
| 12:59.25 | starseeker | Hmm. Need brlcad to weigh in on this |
| 12:59.42 | starseeker | LiDIA's license is a little funky |
| 13:00.20 | hippieindamakin8 | aah is it ? |
| 13:00.31 | starseeker | it MIGHT be ok, but it needs studying |
| 13:00.32 | hippieindamakin8 | looks at the documentation of LiDIA |
| 13:00.50 | starseeker | their statement that it's "OK for noncommerical use" on the website is worrisome |
| 13:01.21 | hippieindamakin8 | aah :| that is not very good |
| 13:02.48 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, i planned on tweaking arnd with the BOOLE system which already uses the package LiDIA. |
| 13:03.21 | starseeker | the actual license text isn't standard, at a quick read |
| 13:03.24 | starseeker | checks BOOLE |
| 13:03.37 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, :| |
| 13:03.50 | hippieindamakin8 | Copyright 1997 The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. |
| 13:03.50 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.50 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.50 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.50 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.53 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.54 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.05 | starseeker | ow |
| 13:04.33 | starseeker | yeah, that makes it sound like commercial use could be a problem |
| 13:04.34 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, that shouldnt be a problem ! |
| 13:04.54 | starseeker | they specify educational, research and non-profit purposes |
| 13:05.05 | starseeker | that means other purposes do NOT have permission |
| 13:05.06 | hippieindamakin8 | :| |
| 13:05.25 | hippieindamakin8 | so i need to re write the proposal |
| 13:06.41 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, will get back to u in 5 mins. going to another lab in the next building |
| 13:07.13 | starseeker | I've got to get going myself |
| 13:07.21 | starseeker | just thought I'd point out the potential issue there |
| 13:09.21 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, any suggestions on how i should proceed ? |
| 13:10.08 | starseeker | are there any similar libs with clearer licensing? |
| 13:10.34 | starseeker | You might check with brlcad when he gets in - he has a broader knowledge of this sort of software than I do |
| 13:10.43 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah nlt starseeker |
| 13:11.18 | hippieindamakin8 | i have checked nlt too . but planned on using liDIA as it was already implemented in BOOLE |
| 13:11.53 | hippieindamakin8 | *ntl |
| 13:12.49 | starseeker | hippieindamakin8: do you have a link to BOOLE handy? |
| 13:12.55 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah |
| 13:13.04 | hippieindamakin8 | http://www.cs.unc.edu/~geom/CSG/boole.html |
| 13:14.06 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, if LiDIA cant be used then ntl(http://www.shoup.net/ntl/) can be used along with GMP |
| 13:15.15 | starseeker | NTL is GPL, not LGPL |
| 13:15.22 | hippieindamakin8 | http://www.cs.unc.edu/~geom/CSG/BOOLE-DOCS/copyright |
| 13:15.39 | starseeker | yeah, saw that |
| 13:16.06 | starseeker | you should ask brlcad about those license questions and whether they make using those in the project a non-starter |
| 13:16.31 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah :| |
| 13:16.55 | starseeker | ok, I gotta run |
| 13:17.11 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, thanks and cya |
| 13:35.58 | ``Erik | *readreadread* |
| 13:36.41 | ``Erik | a patch lets us know you are able to a) use subversion and b) build the system. I wouldn't sweat the patch phase too much :) |
| 13:37.07 | ``Erik | dependancies ... all that info is defined in the makefile.am, so it could be a reasonably simple translation issue (though tedious, yes) |
| 13:37.31 | ``Erik | all heil the bikeshed! |
| 13:38.12 | ``Erik | brlcad: perhaps we should generate a list of pre-acceptance patch ideas next time around? |
| 13:39.51 | ``Erik | musta picked up a stomach virus or something, was bugging me yesterday, now it's messing with me bad 'nuff that I can't drive far :( had to call into work |
| 13:40.26 | ``Erik | stopped by the shop, got an updated estimate, gonna be another month to repair :( and close to the $ for a total :( sucks |
| 13:40.40 | ``Erik | a lot of the pieces are 3x the price of a normal component for a 3 series |
| 13:40.44 | ``Erik | sucks. |
| 13:43.38 | mafm | 3 series? |
| 13:49.55 | bjorkintosh | bmw. |
| 13:50.17 | bjorkintosh | what's wrong with your vehicle, ``Erik ? |
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| 14:01.07 | ``Erik | bumped a curb |
| 14:01.25 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/m3-2/ |
| 14:02.13 | ``Erik | (looks bad there, they'd pulled the bumper cover out and removed the plastic cover from teh wheelwell) |
| 14:03.19 | ``Erik | and for some reason, brlcad refuses to loan me his brand new lotus O.o :D *duck* |
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| 14:13.04 | brlcad | still isn't satisfied.. http://brlcad.org/tmp/edit_arb8_1024.png |
| 14:13.10 | brlcad | but better |
| 14:13.51 | AlexandreGuedes | i should link papers ? |
| 14:14.09 | AlexandreGuedes | in my project ... |
| 14:14.15 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, the sketch was all done in brl-cad, that latter had a little compositing done to it to get the right emphasis |
| 14:14.26 | ``Erik | if you want, alexandre |
| 14:15.09 | brlcad | we have permission from the boole authors to do what we want with boole |
| 14:15.35 | ``Erik | boole project? O.o |
| 14:15.46 | brlcad | has/had that in e-mail somewhere -- could probably talk to manocha again and get another okay if it became critical issue |
| 14:15.48 | ``Erik | google isn't helpful, it gives me george boole plus some lithp stuff |
| 14:16.54 | ``Erik | has spent the morning on the phone in legal and contractual type things, so may be apt to go all pointy-haired retarded at any moment, btw... like requesting signed approval via fax for boole, whatever that is :D *duck* *run* *hide* |
| 14:17.16 | brlcad | ``Erik: possibly (re patch ideas) .. I was thinking of identifying TODO/BUGS items with a "QUICKIE" label of some sort for the ones that should be pretty simple (less than a full day's effort) |
| 14:17.51 | ``Erik | we have to fight the notion of a 'veteran' grabbing a quickie just to get it knocked off, though |
| 14:18.01 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: you can link papers if it helps clarify |
| 14:18.09 | ``Erik | the "just do it" vs training opportunity is a beeyotch |
| 14:18.27 | brlcad | more interesting is to usually link to a portfolio / profile if you have one, but if not that's fine too |
| 14:18.42 | brlcad | ``Erik: search for "boole csg" |
| 14:18.48 | brlcad | work done at UNC |
| 14:18.56 | ``Erik | unc? |
| 14:19.05 | ``Erik | I think I've seen this before |
| 14:19.08 | brlcad | university of north carolina at chapen hill |
| 14:19.12 | brlcad | you have |
| 14:19.17 | brlcad | that's our bradley |
| 14:19.17 | ``Erik | was this one of the utah rt posters? |
| 14:19.36 | brlcad | the only folks (in academia) that I know of that got an actual vehicle .g transfer |
| 14:19.51 | brlcad | no, boole/esolid are older research |
| 14:19.56 | ``Erik | wants to arl1 the hilux |
| 14:20.17 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: papers tha had wirte, but they aren't strongly related with brl-cad... |
| 14:20.39 | ``Erik | alexandre: we're looking for competency and utility, not necessarily relation |
| 14:20.54 | brlcad | dinesh and john keyser are the guys behind those works, you may have met/remember them from siggraph |
| 14:21.32 | AlexandreGuedes | ok thanks |
| 14:21.38 | ``Erik | someone who did mad awesome code in say firefox would be a big bump up when we try to select :) |
| 14:21.50 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: that wasn't for you, that was for ``Erik ;) |
| 14:22.09 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: it's your judgement to determine whether it's worth linking them or not |
| 14:22.47 | ``Erik | uh, someone said something about gsoc not being about applying for a job... I'd argue that's incorrect, but it's a short term contract job, so the focus is different |
| 14:22.56 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: I was thanking eriki by the information |
| 14:23.07 | ``Erik | it's about saying "I can do awesome things that you want", not "I'll be an awesome team member for the next 20 years" |
| 14:23.31 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad |
| 14:23.45 | hippieindamakin8 | starseeker, and i had a discussion on the licences |
| 14:23.58 | brlcad | typ0: I don't generally answer "hellos" via PM -- if you have something to say or ask, I'd be more than happy to talk but it's not the "IRC-way" to do a "hi ..[wait].. hi ..[wait].. are you there? .. [wait] .. " just say what you were going to say |
| 14:24.19 | ``Erik | happy people get paid to do what what love, hopefully we attract folk who are happy doing stuff in open source BRL-CAD land and they continue to contribute :) |
| 14:24.48 | ``Erik | oh, uh, uhhhhh esr has something about that |
| 14:24.51 | ``Erik | "don't ask to ask" |
| 14:24.51 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, wat do u say about it |
| 14:25.07 | brlcad | ``Erik: actually i'd rather them sell the latter :P |
| 14:25.13 | jonored | Is it known (off the top of people's heads) to not be valid to translate a spline between two surfaces (with a not-unreasonable error formula) by translating its control points?... |
| 14:25.21 | brlcad | and the point is to acquire new devs, not just get some code out of folks |
| 14:25.40 | ``Erik | we want the 20 year folk, yes. But we don't need the full grilling that those guys recieve... |
| 14:25.42 | brlcad | the short-term contract is just the mechanism to help kick things off and keep bills paid |
| 14:25.56 | hippieindamakin8 | as in LiDIA and boole's licences arent straightforward. if instead of LidIA ,ntl(which is just GPL and not LGPL) is used along with GMP how bt it |
| 14:26.27 | ``Erik | and I like to imagine that it's an important and fun project with nice and fun people, so there's a lot of imputus to stick around |
| 14:26.35 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, ``Erik ^ |
| 14:26.45 | ``Erik | but it's definitely not a "bust out the cv and wear a tie" deal |
| 14:27.47 | ``Erik | perhaps I'd be better in phrasing it that the goal is to impress the geeks, not a pointy haired mgmt type :) |
| 14:28.54 | brlcad | yeah, thats pretty much what I said to folks last night too .. don't really care who you are or what school you go to -- care about what you want to do, your ability to do that work, and your short/long term interests |
| 14:29.49 | ``Erik | *nod* sage |
| 14:29.52 | brlcad | thinks http://brlcad.org/tmp/edit_arb8_1024.png makes for a decent BREP image too |
| 14:30.07 | brlcad | hmm |
| 14:30.32 | ``Erik | heh, mensa is a fistful of 'smart' useless people, people who really matter dont' join mensa, they go do something real :D |
| 14:30.45 | brlcad | has a little problem that I made the numbers too small to scale it down to 128x128 |
| 14:30.51 | ``Erik | it's what ya do, not what ya have |
| 14:30.55 | brlcad | not really readable under 512x512 |
| 14:31.24 | brlcad | thinks ``Erik is gazing a little to deeply into his mensa navel now :) |
| 14:31.35 | ``Erik | declined the invite |
| 14:31.50 | ``Erik | had better things to do than pay for a circlejerk |
| 14:32.18 | brlcad | and no way, you can borrow Elle .. she's seen what you do to your babies |
| 14:32.34 | brlcad | heh, s/,// |
| 14:32.34 | ``Erik | this morning, for example, I'm figuring out the relationship between REST and continuation based web frameworks |
| 14:32.53 | ``Erik | heh, wow, that erroneous grammer could be... fatal :D |
| 14:33.27 | ``Erik | they're digging to look for mechanical failure :/ |
| 14:33.49 | ``Erik | I doubt they'd be able to identify any with legal sureness, though |
| 14:33.51 | ``Erik | sucks |
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| 14:34.19 | poolio | brlcad: was that around when I was working on brep code? |
| 14:34.26 | brlcad | doesn't even want to know how you happened to hit a curb |
| 14:34.31 | brlcad | poolio: no, I just did that this morning |
| 14:34.31 | ``Erik | <-- would be willing to swap cars on a drive to lunch some day, just to see what it's about, though :) |
| 14:34.32 | ``Erik | well |
| 14:34.34 | ``Erik | I stopped |
| 14:34.38 | ``Erik | I started moving and turned left |
| 14:34.54 | ``Erik | and then the car quit turning and went straight a bit |
| 14:34.57 | ``Erik | and there was a curb in the way |
| 14:35.23 | ``Erik | tha'ts my best recollection, of course your brain goes all sorts of nutty when you're in an accident like that, so *shrug* who knows |
| 14:35.50 | brlcad | sure, blame it on the curb |
| 14:35.58 | ``Erik | it jumped outta nowhere, honest |
| 14:36.06 | brlcad | they do that |
| 14:36.20 | ``Erik | almost got rear-ended by a truck this morning, tailgating me and a squirrel when whacko on the road |
| 14:37.46 | ``Erik | how's release coming? saw a couple commits last night |
| 14:40.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03202.3.77.11 07http://brlcad.org * r1349 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: /* Proposed approach */ |
| 14:42.27 | typ0 | BRL-CAD 7.10.4 isn't launching on my PPC Mac |
| 14:43.13 | typ0 | it complains about using CoreFoundation functionality after fork() without an exec() |
| 14:43.30 | typ0 | when i try to launch mged |
| 14:53.35 | ``Erik | which version of osX? |
| 14:53.41 | typ0 | Leopard |
| 14:53.43 | typ0 | 10.5.6 |
| 14:54.09 | ``Erik | hrm, we have 10.4 on ppc, but only intel for 10.5 |
| 14:54.35 | ``Erik | can you paste the full error log to http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ ? |
| 14:54.39 | typ0 | sure |
| 14:55.50 | typ0 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m5dfb3330 |
| 14:56.37 | ``Erik | thanks... *guru meditation* |
| 14:57.00 | ``Erik | smells like forkbomb prevention gone awry |
| 14:57.03 | typ0 | if i follow those instructions and with gdb I break on that symbol, i can't even do much |
| 14:57.13 | typ0 | because the program exits with interrupted syscall |
| 14:57.32 | typ0 | i've seen this error before, i think in a php lib |
| 14:57.42 | ``Erik | is it acceptable to suggest grabbing 7.14.4 from the site and compiling yourself? |
| 14:57.43 | typ0 | probably a leopard restriction |
| 14:57.49 | typ0 | of course |
| 14:58.00 | ``Erik | 7.10.4 is very outdated :) |
| 14:58.22 | typ0 | i want to write an application to improve IGES importer/exporter |
| 14:58.31 | typ0 | any useful tips ? |
| 14:58.38 | ``Erik | oh, then you don't want 7.14.4, you want the svn 'trunk' checkout |
| 14:59.48 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, help |
| 15:00.05 | ``Erik | (which should be named "7.14.6" real soon now, if hippie would quit bugging brlcad) |
| 15:00.05 | ``Erik | :D |
| 15:00.11 | ``Erik | 'sup, hippie? |
| 15:00.45 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, the problem is that the packages i intended to use are MAPC and LiDIA initially |
| 15:00.54 | ``Erik | license issues? |
| 15:01.14 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah |
| 15:01.33 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, the licence issues are like this both MAPC and LiDIA are copywrit. |
| 15:01.41 | hippieindamakin8 | or copyrighted |
| 15:02.12 | ``Erik | hm, sit on it. we'll think. if it's just gpl, and we don't want to further infect the primary repo, it may be doable as a new module |
| 15:02.31 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, neither of them is gpl either |
| 15:02.40 | ``Erik | oh, uh, url's for licenses? |
| 15:02.51 | ``Erik | dreads having to summon a legal team :( |
| 15:02.52 | hippieindamakin8 | i actually couldnt find any exact arithmetic packages which are LGPL |
| 15:03.02 | ``Erik | isn't gmp lgpl? |
| 15:03.10 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, it is |
| 15:03.38 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87#Proposed_approach |
| 15:03.42 | hippieindamakin8 | this is my approach |
| 15:03.49 | ``Erik | gmp is an exact precision package, no? do I fail to see something? |
| 15:04.22 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, ftp://ftp.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/pub/TI/systems/LiDIA/current/COPYING |
| 15:04.35 | ``Erik | exact arithmetic, lazy evaluation... talkin' haskell here? :D |
| 15:06.46 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, their implementation in c++ |
| 15:07.19 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, i had a plan of spawning a functional programming language from C++ to do this processes |
| 15:07.55 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, how abt that ? |
| 15:08.08 | hippieindamakin8 | prefers python for that |
| 15:08.49 | ``Erik | in theory, we intend to introduce python, common lisp, and something else as basic scripting langauges to BRL-CAD |
| 15:09.32 | ``Erik | so, personally, the notion of python is not a showstopper in my mind... but I may be wrong, I defer to brlcad for an official stance |
| 15:09.37 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, ur comments on the procedure ? |
| 15:10.13 | ``Erik | I've made all the comments I'm comfortable making :) my brain isn't 100% today... called in sick to work, etc |
| 15:11.03 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, i am very comfortable with python so that is the reason i wanted to implement it with python |
| 15:11.16 | ``Erik | also; my proxy is farting on the ftp notion, so'z I can't view all the relevant data :( |
| 15:11.27 | hippieindamakin8 | ohh |
| 15:11.33 | ``Erik | <-- far more of a ruby fan than python :) |
| 15:12.00 | ``Erik | guido has something rollin', but I think he misses a few critical points |
| 15:12.15 | ``Erik | I think the next ruby is gonna remove some important stuff that I don't think matz groks :( |
| 15:12.26 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, for the gsoc i ll code in python and then port it to ruby once i get more familiar with ruby by the end of summers |
| 15:12.58 | ``Erik | make sure that plan is in your proposal |
| 15:13.03 | jonored | seems to remember something about someone doing a test and python coming out 400 times slower than C++, and 100 times slower than common lisp, on some basic numerical stuff... |
| 15:13.24 | ``Erik | micro-benchmarks tend to produce stupid numbers like that :( |
| 15:13.53 | ``Erik | I've seen some where common lisp blows c++ out of the water... |
| 15:14.13 | ``Erik | the caveats are critical :) |
| 15:14.55 | jonored | The only ones I've seen on that are where it's testing stuff that gets essentially compiled out... that one was (I think) just matrix multiplication. |
| 15:15.29 | hippieindamakin8 | jonored, for matrix multiplications fortran is much faster than anything else |
| 15:15.31 | ``Erik | fortran stomps C on naive matrix mults on modern hardware... |
| 15:15.35 | ``Erik | aint' sayin' much, yo |
| 15:16.50 | ``Erik | (and the ONLY reason fortan wins is because their multidimensional arrays are column major instead of row major, so it just happens to tweak the cache lines a little better) |
| 15:19.56 | ``Erik | is doing cl stuff in personal time due to the faster "time to market" aspect :) |
| 15:20.52 | jonored | is in general very keen on common lisp. The only irritation is that it doesn't have first-class continutions and scheme does... |
| 15:22.40 | brlcad | no python for gsoc with only a few exceptions (ged/ge/gs scripting and web stuffs) |
| 15:22.48 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, listen so technically openNURBs library which is being used shouldnt be used is it ? |
| 15:23.00 | brlcad | there's not enough time to be productive and integrate something well with the code base |
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| 15:23.22 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, so the implementation shall purely be in C++ |
| 15:23.37 | brlcad | it's one thing for an existing core dev to pick up a python project, entirely different for someone new just picking something familiar without regard to what we have or the impact |
| 15:23.57 | ``Erik | jonored: there're a couple addons that provide zomfg call/cc, I'm a scheme head myself :) #ucw is the channel for the framework I'm using, it provides call/cc |
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| 15:24.34 | ``Erik | aight, there's your answer, python ain't cool for a gsoc, it's down teh road for the gurus |
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| 15:25.12 | ``Erik | note all the cya I threw down in that avenue :D |
| 15:25.36 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i was just proposing tht python shall be used only in the library( away from the core code) |
| 15:26.13 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, if that is wat you say, i shall implement the said routines in c++ itself |
| 15:26.21 | ``Erik | is, um, what's its name... swag? is that gsoc purvue? |
| 15:27.00 | ``Erik | we had a summer student try&fail on it |
| 15:27.42 | ``Erik | (unified interface between a large set of languages) |
| 15:31.17 | brlcad | tick tock on the applications for any still remaining |
| 15:32.33 | brlcad | mentors, feel free to start commenting on them if you haven't already |
| 15:32.45 | brlcad | I won't be commenting for at least an hour still |
| 15:33.01 | ``Erik | hm |
| 15:33.14 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: you didn't upset me in the least, it was a valid question |
| 15:33.15 | ``Erik | *look* 10 in the queue |
| 15:33.40 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, yeah thats very true that python all of a sudden :) |
| 15:34.01 | ``Erik | imagines that the only ways to piss brlcad off is to either key his car or shit on his rug |
| 15:34.06 | ``Erik | (sorry 'bout the rug) |
| 15:34.10 | brlcad | if you'd brought it up two weeks ago, we could have discussed in better detail ;) |
| 15:34.27 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, :| yeah |
| 15:34.47 | ``Erik | y'know if d'lo is gonna log on and say hi when he gets to his families place? |
| 15:35.03 | brlcad | doesn't care about his rug, now crap on my plasma, I might care .. but then I'd wonder how you got it up that high |
| 15:35.04 | hippieindamakin8 | but still with respect to the proposal my proposal submitted , i dint intend to use anything other than C/C++ |
| 15:35.36 | ``Erik | note it in your proposal. |
| 15:35.47 | ``Erik | or if it is noted, sorry for making noise :) |
| 15:36.13 | ``Erik | looks at the proposals... |
| 15:36.56 | typ0 | brlcad: is there a description of the new features in IGES 5.3 comparing to 5.0 |
| 15:37.11 | typ0 | that i can use to create a task list with a schedule |
| 15:38.45 | jonored | is going to have a sadly rushed proposal, but will have something in before the deadline... and hopes that a good patch afterwards could help a bit with a somewhat technically weaker proposal write-up. |
| 15:38.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03202.3.77.11 07http://brlcad.org * r1350 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: /* Timeline */ |
| 15:38.58 | ``Erik | ugh. too much marketspeak |
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| 15:41.16 | brlcad | typ0: that's part of the leg work for that project |
| 15:41.26 | typ0 | ok |
| 15:41.27 | brlcad | I'm sure someone, somewhere, has that information |
| 15:41.30 | brlcad | I certainly don't :) |
| 15:41.33 | typ0 | eheh |
| 15:41.38 | ``Erik | naturally, dawn is incredibly verbose, but quite high level |
| 15:41.40 | typ0 | i searched around and didn't find much |
| 15:41.46 | brlcad | iirc, you can get at least comment drafts for iges online now |
| 15:41.59 | typ0 | i can do it during the community bonding period |
| 15:42.02 | typ0 | should i get accepted |
| 15:42.03 | brlcad | the 6.0 draft for example |
| 15:42.08 | typ0 | cool |
| 15:42.15 | brlcad | that was a couple years ago though |
| 15:42.30 | brlcad | i might have it stashed away, can check .. should you get accepted |
| 15:42.58 | typ0 | ok i'll work on the application |
| 15:43.45 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 15:44.21 | ``Erik | well, typ0... would you be interested in being part of our community even if you weren't accepted to our gsoc presense? |
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| 15:46.52 | typ0 | well i find the IGES idea quite doable and interesting |
| 15:47.15 | typ0 | and always had an interest in CAD systems, even if i don't know a lot about them |
| 15:47.45 | typ0 | so i can do the project , and even continue working on it post-gsoc |
| 15:47.55 | typ0 | and take it from there |
| 15:48.05 | typ0 | btw, latest svn is not compiling on my mac |
| 15:48.07 | typ0 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7085cb13 |
| 15:48.07 | ``Erik | I'm not grilling you, I'm just trying to learn more of your interests and abilities :) |
| 15:48.37 | ``Erik | up's on his mac |
| 15:48.51 | typ0 | ;) |
| 15:49.11 | ``Erik | effin' configure.ac change :( *wait* |
| 15:49.53 | ``Erik | the paste looks like you're missing X headers |
| 15:50.12 | ``Erik | both the X package and the X developer package need to be installed :/ |
| 15:50.34 | ``Erik | ooh, automake error |
| 15:50.42 | ``Erik | error, not warning, a full-up error |
| 15:51.13 | typ0 | i think i have all the latest X11 stuff |
| 15:51.18 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34145 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): added the ellipsoid (ID_ELL) primitive |
| 15:52.12 | brlcad | libtkhtml apparently isn't listing it's deps, needs Xlib |
| 15:52.41 | brlcad | probably something their build file is doing |
| 15:52.59 | brlcad | try going to that directory (src/other/tkhtml) and manually building |
| 15:53.29 | brlcad | add -lX11 |
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| 15:57.10 | typ0 | rm -f libTkhtml3.0.dylib |
| 15:57.10 | typ0 | gcc (...) -L/usr/lib -L/usr/local/lib -L/System/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.4 -ltclstub8.4 -L/System/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.4 -ltkstub8.4 -lX11 |
| 15:57.11 | typ0 | ld: library not found for -lX11 |
| 15:57.11 | typ0 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 15:57.11 | typ0 | make: *** [libTkhtml3.0.dylib] Error 1 |
| 15:57.53 | brlcad | so you either need a library search path (-L...), or you don't have it |
| 15:58.06 | ``Erik | wow, qt as an indicator for platform popularity, lame :) |
| 15:58.23 | AlexandreGuedes_ | I submitted my project |
| 16:00.48 | ``Erik | hah, wow, whining about homework being a timekiller, uncool |
| 16:01.07 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes_: great! |
| 16:01.07 | typ0 | yeah -L/usr/X11/lib did it |
| 16:01.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03202.3.77.11 07http://brlcad.org * r1351 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: /* Abstract */ |
| 16:01.52 | AlexandreGuedes_ | Someone can confirm.. ? |
| 16:02.30 | ``Erik | most systems have /usr/X /usr/X11 and /usr/X11R6 pointing to the same real directory |
| 16:02.51 | typ0 | yeah |
| 16:02.58 | ``Erik | fbsd recenty moved /usr/X11R6 to /usr/locla |
| 16:03.01 | ``Erik | local, even |
| 16:03.10 | typ0 | but in this case the Makefile only made reference to /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib |
| 16:03.19 | ``Erik | *shrug* ./configure LDFLAGS=-L/usr/X11/lib |
| 16:03.20 | ``Erik | :) |
| 16:03.42 | brlcad | either way, the autoconf/automake tests should have found it since we just let their tests do their thing during configure .. so something awry there |
| 16:04.10 | ``Erik | ok, mediafire for a resume sucks goat balls. get a real effin' homepage to post that. |
| 16:04.25 | typ0 | i have the latest X11 package from apple (xquartz.macosforge.org) |
| 16:04.30 | ``Erik | sucks, cuz I like the idea, but the presentation blew :( |
| 16:04.51 | *** part/#brlcad devilsadvocate (n=devilsad@202.3.77.11) | |
| 16:12.17 | AlexandreGuedes_ | It is possible confirm if my submission were successfully? |
| 16:13.47 | ``Erik | dude, alexandre, wtf is with all the xml explosion that came through as text? |
| 16:14.25 | ``Erik | divs and font types and stuff, and there's like 5 lines of content in that 3 page monstrosity |
| 16:15.05 | ``Erik | I created src/conv/Formats.cvs a while back, d'no if you saw that |
| 16:20.25 | ``Erik | wow, chinese place says 25 minutes |
| 16:25.22 | AlexandreGuedes_ | ``Erik: i can erase it ? |
| 16:25.40 | ``Erik | erase what, the csv? |
| 16:26.45 | ``Erik | bbaib, heading to pick up lunch |
| 16:28.19 | AlexandreGuedes_ | the lines with div and font types |
| 16:31.11 | andrecastelo | ``Erik: that's melange making us crazy :( |
| 16:31.32 | andrecastelo | i had those appear more than once when I submitted |
| 16:32.43 | typ0 | the iges converter works as a separate binary, ie, can i implement command line parameters to specify the desired version to export/import ? |
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| 16:34.20 | typ0 | (i assume so since there is command line options parsing in the source) |
| 16:53.43 | jonored | ...And submitted. Short, but submitted. |
| 17:01.29 | ``Erik | needs to learn how to say "thank you" and "chopsticks" in chinese O.o |
| 17:02.44 | AlexandreGuedes_ | hard |
| 17:08.55 | andrecastelo | ``Erik: easy, domo arigato for thank you |
| 17:09.02 | andrecastelo | joking ;) |
| 17:17.30 | ``Erik | mr robato? what? |
| 17:26.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Suryajith 07http://brlcad.org * r1352 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: |
| 17:28.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Suryajith 07http://brlcad.org * r1353 10/wiki/User:Hippieindamakin87: |
| 17:57.56 | pacman87 | is it possible to create a degenerate NURBS that's a line instead of a surface? |
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| 18:15.36 | Malyce | Hi. I was trying to make a patch to fix one of the bugs |
| 18:15.46 | Malyce | * bot-bldxf fails in db_walk_tree(), interface may have changed |
| 18:15.57 | Malyce | What is bot-bldxf ? |
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| 18:24.22 | typ0 | hmm, i finished building svn and mged launched, printed out a line about using Tcl scripts from a directory, and then gave a bus error |
| 18:24.26 | typ0 | Thread 0 Crashed: |
| 18:24.26 | typ0 | 0 libdm.19.dylib 0x001447d8 X_open_dm + 1644 (dm-X.c:343) |
| 18:28.38 | *** part/#brlcad devilsadvocate (n=devilsad@202.3.77.11) | |
| 18:34.56 | typ0 | btw, i just submitted my application |
| 18:35.21 | typ0 | if there's anything i should clarify or improve, i'd appreciate the feedback :) |
| 18:35.40 | pacman87 | typ0: do you have a wiki page yet? |
| 18:35.51 | typ0 | no |
| 18:38.09 | typ0 | i will create it |
| 18:39.56 | Malyce | hints ? |
| 18:40.25 | Malyce | The tracker has no mention of it |
| 18:40.34 | Malyce | its in the BUGS list only |
| 18:42.39 | Malyce | Do all applicants need a wiki page ? |
| 18:43.00 | pacman87 | not required, but useful to bounce ideas around |
| 18:43.17 | pacman87 | how many applicants are here now? |
| 18:44.15 | Malyce | as admin, shouldn't you be able to tell ? |
| 18:44.29 | pacman87 | i'm not admin |
| 18:44.40 | Malyce | is brlcad still around ? |
| 18:44.49 | Malyce | or mafm ? |
| 18:44.49 | pacman87 | and i meant 'here' as in 'this channel' |
| 18:47.25 | Malyce | how do I find out, what bot-bldxf means ? |
| 18:59.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Carlosvsilva 07http://brlcad.org * r1354 10/wiki/User:Carlosvsilva: Initial creation |
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| 19:19.35 | madant | is now moderately un-sick :) |
| 19:20.35 | hippieindamakin8 | hey madant |
| 19:21.30 | madant | hey hippieindamakin8 |
| 19:24.45 | Malyce | hi madant. Can you tell me how I can find out what 'bot-bldxf' means. It was in the BUGS file, as in "* bot-bldxf fails in db_walk_tree(), interface may have changed" |
| 19:24.51 | Malyce | ? |
| 19:26.50 | brlcad | Malyce: by asking -- bots are "bags of triangles" -- bldxf is "build a dxf" |
| 19:26.57 | brlcad | it's a horrible name, but it means make a dxf from a bot |
| 19:27.13 | brlcad | if you're just getting started on that one, try for another bug |
| 19:27.34 | brlcad | there's another tool that technically makes bot-bldxf deprecated |
| 19:27.42 | Malyce | rats |
| 19:27.52 | Malyce | I was already in the middle of it |
| 19:27.56 | madant | Malyce, bot-bldxf and other dxf conversion tools are there in src/conv/dxf directory |
| 19:28.00 | brlcad | well, you are welcome to fix it |
| 19:28.00 | Malyce | I had read and understood the code |
| 19:28.05 | madant | oops.. brlcad beat me to it :D |
| 19:28.26 | brlcad | it's not going away right away, and still perfectly serves the purpose of the patch |
| 19:29.13 | brlcad | but the fact that it's missing a manual page means it was an unpublished/unfinished tool that never turned into a production tool |
| 19:29.50 | brlcad | and since then, there is now a bot_dump command that will export obj, dxf, vrml |
| 19:31.23 | brlcad | Malyce: what is your project? |
| 19:32.20 | Malyce | Extension of Core C++ Interfaces |
| 19:32.34 | Malyce | I said I would add primitive support |
| 19:32.46 | brlcad | so add another primitive to the core interface |
| 19:33.01 | brlcad | daniel just added another one today, you could use that as an example |
| 19:33.12 | Malyce | how much time did it take him ? |
| 19:33.19 | brlcad | ask him |
| 19:33.45 | Malyce | I am worried that it might take too long for the purpose of the patch. |
| 19:33.52 | brlcad | so ask him :) |
| 19:34.04 | Malyce | how ? The mailing list ? |
| 19:34.10 | brlcad | the code isn't that horribly complex, I can't imagine it was more than a day or two |
| 19:34.13 | brlcad | sure |
| 19:34.24 | brlcad | probably just a couple hours |
| 19:34.28 | Malyce | allright |
| 19:34.30 | brlcad | if even that |
| 19:34.50 | Malyce | I should probably alter my proposal then |
| 19:35.02 | Malyce | Because I estimated 10-15 hours per primitive |
| 19:35.03 | brlcad | you could implement the torus -- that should be fairly easy |
| 19:35.06 | Malyce | I wasn't sure |
| 19:35.15 | brlcad | why would you alter it now |
| 19:35.29 | brlcad | I don't know how long it'll take -- ASK HIM :) |
| 19:35.37 | Malyce | yes |
| 19:35.37 | Malyce | I am on it |
| 19:36.03 | brlcad | mine is just a guess, but I'm also very familiar with that code |
| 19:36.37 | brlcad | your first one would probably take a bit longer, but you'd be pretty familiar after a couple |
| 19:39.20 | Malyce | he added ellipsoid i see |
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| 19:40.32 | brlcad | yeah, I would have too |
| 19:40.40 | brlcad | he's probably working on tgc or torus next ;) |
| 19:40.50 | brlcad | you'll certainly get his attention with that patch ;) |
| 19:41.02 | brlcad | and he'd likely be the mentor for your project, so good to talk to him |
| 19:41.37 | brlcad | (though we do group mentoring, you can call on anyone -- he's just the lead on that area) |
| 19:42.14 | Malyce | Is it ok, if I send it to the mailing list ? Won't it spam everyone ? |
| 19:42.28 | brlcad | the dev list is pretty small |
| 19:42.45 | brlcad | the news and user mailing lists are the big ones |
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| 19:43.18 | andrecastelo | hi guys |
| 19:44.17 | brlcad | howdy andrecastelo |
| 19:44.25 | andrecastelo | howdy brlcad |
| 19:44.27 | brlcad | how'd the applications go? |
| 19:44.35 | andrecastelo | i've sent only one, to blender |
| 19:44.45 | brlcad | cool, what for? |
| 19:45.15 | andrecastelo | blender's interface is being refactored and the way the inner data is accessed is changing |
| 19:45.29 | andrecastelo | and the big refactor will happen on version 2.5 |
| 19:45.55 | andrecastelo | with the refactoring, the python scripts will become incompatible |
| 19:46.08 | andrecastelo | so the application was to port some import/export scripts to the new system :) |
| 19:47.17 | andrecastelo | brlcad, how were the proposals this year? |
| 19:47.37 | andrecastelo | everyone was talking about a low number of proposals, i wonder why |
| 19:47.50 | madant | andrecastelo, blender sounds kewl :) how is school ? |
| 19:47.52 | brlcad | andrecastelo: curious actually |
| 19:48.02 | brlcad | our applications were down about 25% from last year |
| 19:48.19 | madant | is always reminded of "Catelo's Castle" whenever he sees the surname castelo :) |
| 19:48.34 | brlcad | bz's applications are actually up about 40% from last year |
| 19:48.37 | madant | brlcad: and quality-wise ;) ? |
| 19:48.45 | brlcad | quality is better for both |
| 19:48.50 | andrecastelo | madant, i'm currently in between semesters |
| 19:49.05 | andrecastelo | so, i'm free of them :) |
| 19:49.08 | madant | hmm.. bz beat us ( brl-cad - brlcad) :P |
| 19:49.10 | andrecastelo | and thus i'm a happy man |
| 19:49.32 | andrecastelo | madant, castelo = castle :) |
| 19:49.45 | brlcad | madant: the game has an quite an appealing advantage :) |
| 19:49.48 | madant | andrecastelo, i used to love both :) bunking classes and doing work in between semesters :P |
| 19:50.30 | madant | is not at all a gamer :D == feels stupid about pushing keys and moving the mouse imagining you are in a different world |
| 19:50.30 | andrecastelo | i felt demotivated this last semester, had some really bad teachers |
| 19:50.57 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, but u should try playing bzflag dude |
| 19:51.06 | madant | andrecastelo, aah.. nice :) well Dawn = dawn, Thomas = twin .. :P |
| 19:51.08 | andrecastelo | i tried bzflag but i do not have good reflexes |
| 19:51.36 | madant | is pretty sure he would suck at games too ;) |
| 19:51.37 | hippieindamakin8 | andrecastelo, neither do i . but it is fun with that arena and those options :) |
| 19:51.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34146 10/brlcad/trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs): peanut butter release time, peanut butter release 7.14.6 with a baseball bat |
| 19:52.00 | madant | ah what the hell :) |
| 19:52.10 | madant | is installing bz |
| 19:52.15 | hippieindamakin8 | the only games i play are "frets on fire" and "bzflag" |
| 19:52.21 | starseeker | blinks - peanut butter with baseball bats? |
| 19:52.32 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, put the server as bzf.bzflag.net |
| 19:52.56 | madant | ok :) |
| 19:52.59 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, the lag from there was minimal when i was playing bzflag in bangalore |
| 19:53.58 | madant | hippieindamakin8, thanks :) hope i don't get addicted |
| 19:54.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34147 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/g_diff/g_diff.vcproj: g_diff needs libtclcad, oops on r34146 |
| 19:54.23 | brlcad | notes that starseeker definitely needs some peanut butter jelly time |
| 19:54.25 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, it is very rarely that some one joins tht game |
| 19:54.29 | pacman87 | you all up for a bzflag game? |
| 19:54.45 | brlcad | pacman87: hah, wish I could |
| 19:54.52 | brlcad | later today, sure |
| 19:55.00 | brlcad | pacman87: who all'd you apply to? |
| 19:55.06 | pacman87 | just here |
| 19:55.15 | madant | pacman87, hehe .. break from 6811 ;) |
| 19:55.20 | brlcad | ah, okay, cool |
| 19:55.39 | pacman87 | i realized the bzflag cheat prevention really needs the modularization of game logic |
| 19:55.46 | pacman87 | so the server can use the same code as the client |
| 19:56.25 | brlcad | it doesn't "really" need it, but it would greatly help it |
| 19:56.44 | brlcad | i had started more in-depth cheat preventions years ago with server-side dr and shot tracking |
| 19:56.57 | brlcad | but my goal was a networking optimization so I never committed it |
| 19:57.20 | pacman87 | unfortunate |
| 19:57.28 | brlcad | as there was a net problem with players teleporting across the server (it was a packet culling technique based on how close the other players were from you) |
| 19:57.41 | brlcad | made network use nearly linear |
| 19:58.11 | brlcad | would have allowed bzflag servers to support something like 100 players on a server that today can only support about 12 playesr |
| 19:58.20 | pacman87 | impressive |
| 19:58.26 | brlcad | if it wasn't for those damn teleporters :) |
| 19:58.36 | brlcad | then I got sidetracked before I finished implementing waypoints |
| 19:58.43 | pacman87 | you'd have to do something like Portal |
| 19:58.47 | brlcad | but the basic logic for server-side cheat checking was easily doable |
| 19:58.48 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, but the teleporters add much more fun to that game ;) |
| 19:58.57 | madant | grr... what is a good bzflag approach on TwinView :) windowed mode |
| 19:59.11 | pacman87 | madant: use top/bottom |
| 19:59.19 | pacman87 | and you can get the radar to fill the second screen |
| 19:59.21 | brlcad | madant: code up something better |
| 19:59.29 | pacman87 | set opacity to full |
| 19:59.35 | pacman87 | and size to max |
| 19:59.48 | madant | pacman87, :) seems like u ar sitting at a battlestation ;) |
| 20:00.06 | pacman87 | you may need to set the radar size in your conf file |
| 20:00.19 | madant | yeah i need to do some tinkering :) |
| 20:00.32 | madant | brlcad: :) hopefully when i get addicted to the game :D |
| 20:00.44 | pacman87 | if you want to play, let me know |
| 20:01.02 | madant | pacman87, sure :) brlcad plays a lot too ? |
| 20:01.16 | pacman87 | not that i know of |
| 20:02.18 | poolio | brlcad: do none of your supervisors read the commit messages? :P |
| 20:03.09 | pacman87 | madant: my.inexplicably.org:5156 |
| 20:03.10 | starseeker | brlcad: dunno what that means and maybe I'm better off that way ;-) |
| 20:08.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34148 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/BRL-CAD_db_format.xml: Add content for spec up to tables in Padding and Length Rounding - need to check those more carefully before redoing. |
| 20:14.00 | brlcad | madant: used to play a lot (one of the best, actually), but not in a long time |
| 20:14.46 | brlcad | poolio: it's an open source project, meritocracy rules the code, devs do as devs do |
| 20:15.49 | madant | :) i got quicked out for jitter |
| 20:15.54 | madant | just now |
| 20:16.11 | brlcad | shakes head at starseeker .. next you'll be telling me that you don't know what "badger, badger, badger" means too |
| 20:16.33 | starseeker | eh? |
| 20:16.39 | brlcad | slaps forehead |
| 20:16.55 | madant | pacman87, unable to connect :) |
| 20:17.15 | pacman87 | madant: in bzflag? |
| 20:17.34 | starseeker | has the distinct sensation of being back in high school listening without comprehension to the slang of his peers ;-) |
| 20:17.36 | brlcad | you have some google homework, your lady will probably find it funny :) |
| 20:17.40 | madant | i mean i connected to bzf.bzflag.. |
| 20:18.00 | pacman87 | sorry, it's port 5161 |
| 20:18.08 | madant | ah ok :) |
| 20:18.56 | starseeker | I dunno... her sense of humor is not to be trifled with |
| 20:20.43 | Malyce | BRL, I can't seem to be able to post on the 'brlcad-devel@lists.sourceforge.net' list |
| 20:20.48 | Malyce | although I subscribed |
| 20:21.48 | Malyce | ah no, I see |
| 20:21.50 | Malyce | its ok |
| 20:25.08 | starseeker | Hmm - BNF description of VRML 2.0 - cool http://graphcomp.com/info/specs/sgi/vrml/spec/part1/grammar.html |
| 20:26.02 | starseeker | idly contemplates the creation of a BNF definition for .g files, wonders if the spec has enough info to make one... |
| 20:33.18 | brlcad | starseeker: sure does, but wouldn't likely be efficient in the least |
| 20:33.27 | brlcad | have thought about it before too, though |
| 20:33.32 | brlcad | would be neat in itself |
| 20:33.48 | brlcad | just not too incredibly practical for binary files |
| 20:35.02 | madant | pacman87, :) i guess my brain has to get used to watching 3d rendered motion :D ( last game i played was probably 5 years ago :P) |
| 20:35.12 | pacman87 | ah |
| 20:35.17 | starseeker | formality might be useful as a framework though |
| 20:35.18 | pacman87 | it's a good start |
| 20:35.25 | pacman87 | there's hope for you yet :P |
| 20:35.40 | madant | :P |
| 20:35.48 | pacman87 | madant: you could always just make your radar really big |
| 20:35.53 | pacman87 | and ignore the rest of the screen |
| 20:35.59 | pacman87 | then it's back to 2d motion |
| 20:37.55 | starseeker | distcheck good on the mac |
| 20:39.04 | madant | pacman87, yeah.. i feel like that is the best approach for me :d |
| 20:39.58 | pacman87 | try some of the big/popular maps at the top of the list |
| 20:40.03 | pacman87 | and don't get discouraged |
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| 20:44.13 | brlcad | starseeker: cool, thanks |
| 20:44.29 | Malyce | hey BRL, I am having a problem compiling on Cygwin |
| 20:44.36 | Malyce | I ran the configure script |
| 20:44.49 | Malyce | And the first time, it told me that X11 wasn't installed |
| 20:45.22 | Malyce | Installed X11, reran script. It now says X11 is enabled, but Xi library was not found |
| 20:45.58 | Malyce | I followed the guide at: http://gears.aset.psu.edu/hpc/guides/cygwin/ |
| 20:46.50 | Malyce | Couldn't do the last step, since for some reason Cygwin setup didn't install the startxwin.bat file |
| 20:47.05 | Malyce | Workarounds ? |
| 20:47.10 | brlcad | install it by hand? |
| 20:47.28 | Malyce | The Xi library ? |
| 20:47.34 | brlcad | you can disable all X11 stuff if you don't mind not having a gui |
| 20:47.52 | Malyce | yes |
| 20:47.55 | Malyce | that would be great |
| 20:47.59 | Malyce | how ? |
| 20:48.06 | brlcad | --without-x11 |
| 20:53.23 | Malyce | ./configuration --witout-x11 ? |
| 20:53.25 | Malyce | without |
| 20:54.10 | pacman87 | ./configure --without-x11 |
| 20:57.16 | pacman87 | and you'll probably have to run 'mged -c' |
| 20:58.53 | Malyce | no, won't be running mged |
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| 21:01.13 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, Good on 64 bit linux too |
| 21:05.13 | Malyce | "Warning: Neither YACC parser nor LEX scanner was found." Will this affect Core C++ Interfaces or librt stuff ? |
| 21:06.28 | Malyce | Also "Floating point implementation is not IEEE754 compliant. htond and htonf may be incorrect" |
| 21:06.53 | brlcad | Malyce: no |
| 21:10.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34149 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: keep with a lot of objects in mged isn't working right. just prints out a usage statement. I haz test case. reported by lee and verified. |
| 21:13.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34150 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 21:13.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: verified another bug in the facetize -n commmand with lee where it is giving |
| 21:13.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: spurious 'color index out of range' errors on (at least) some 3-manifold |
| 21:13.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: surfaces. the painting algorithm in nmg_manif.c seems incomplete/flawed. |
| 21:14.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34151 10/brlcad/trunk/ChangeLog: last thing, update Changelog with items since 2009-03-06, ready to tag. |
| 21:19.52 | Malyce | Warning: Can't figure out how to do Dynamic loading or shared libraries on this system |
| 21:19.54 | Malyce | Bad ? |
| 21:27.22 | brlcad | pretty bad, but not fatal -- did you run autogen.sh ? |
| 21:29.37 | Malyce | before ./configure ? |
| 21:29.39 | brlcad | yes |
| 21:29.41 | Malyce | I think I tried |
| 21:29.45 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:29.51 | Malyce | didn't work for some reason |
| 21:30.09 | Malyce | I am 'make'ing right now |
| 21:30.09 | brlcad | given you're on a relatively obscure configuration, that's probably why you're getting that message |
| 21:30.23 | brlcad | you need a set of the gnu autotools that has been made for cygwin |
| 21:30.36 | Malyce | should I stop, and restart ? |
| 21:30.48 | brlcad | plus, you should be working from svn, not a source tarball ;) |
| 21:30.51 | brlcad | I would |
| 21:31.01 | brlcad | you can keep struggling if you like |
| 21:31.11 | brlcad | see if you get enough built to test a patch |
| 21:31.22 | Malyce | right, so first I should get the autotools |
| 21:31.28 | Malyce | second, checkout svn |
| 21:31.31 | Malyce | and then retry |
| 21:31.33 | Malyce | ? |
| 21:32.24 | brlcad | yeah, ideally |
| 21:35.08 | Malyce | Autoconf, Automake and libtools, all three ? |
| 21:35.50 | brlcad | yes |
| 21:36.08 | brlcad | and they in turn will want m4 and perl, maybe other minor deps |
| 21:44.19 | Malyce | no pain, no gain |
| 21:46.24 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34152 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (2511 files in 220 dirs): merge trunk to STABLE from r33968 through HEAD r34151 for release 7.14.6 |
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| 22:14.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34153 10/brlcad/tags/rel-7-14-6/: |
| 22:14.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: tag release 7.14.6 |
| 22:14.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: tested: source build, binary mac 32-bit intel, binary linux 32-bit intel, binary linux 64-bit amd, binary linux 64-bit ia64/altix |
| 22:24.52 | poolio | brlcad: sweet :) |
| 22:25.27 | madant | yay :) |
| 22:25.39 | madant | is off to sleep after a very weird day and night |
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| 22:54.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34154 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS README include/conf/PATCH): update post tagging to dev version 7.14.7 (haha). this may still end up being a 7.16 release.. |
| 22:55.41 | brlcad | thinks this has been an exhausting day |
| 22:56.13 | brlcad | some of you that didn't include nearly enough detail are going to have to make edits up on the wiki.. :P |
| 22:56.24 | brlcad | didn't post early enough to get a good review |
| 22:56.47 | brlcad | stupid that the app prevents edits, but we'll deal |
| 22:57.30 | madant | we shall overcome :D |
| 23:08.14 | brlcad | so it looks like we get a preliminary slot count on the 7th |
| 23:09.25 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || GSoC2009 Next Step: we're reviewing applications, preliminary slot count on 7th, selections announced on the 15th | |
| 23:09.54 | madant | 11 action-packed days |
| 23:11.59 | madant | is sleep-deprived and high on orange juice |
| 23:13.23 | madant | brlcad: what is the maximum possible number of slots ? the total number of registered mentors ? |
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| 00:50.49 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Pacman87 07http://brlcad.org * r1355 10/wiki/User:Pacman87: Updated to include 2009 GSoC proposal for discussion |
| 01:03.37 | madant | still envies pacman87 last year renderings ;) |
| 01:03.59 | madant | still evnies pacman87's last year renderings ;) |
| 01:25.26 | bjorkintosh | twice! |
| 01:34.58 | madant | produces a lot of IRC Vomit for a 1 channel irc person |
| 02:45.05 | yukonbob | evening, cadheads |
| 02:53.00 | typ0 | my mged isn't launching |
| 02:53.22 | typ0 | crashes with bus error on this line: |
| 02:53.26 | typ0 | DisplayWidth(pubvars->dpy, |
| 02:53.27 | typ0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.59 | typ0 | in X_open_dm() of libdm/dm-X.c |
| 02:54.37 | typ0 | pubvars->dpy value is 25268232 |
| 02:55.05 | typ0 | DefaultScreen returns 1 |
| 02:57.35 | yukonbob | typ0: details? Platform, BRL-CAD version... |
| 02:57.54 | typ0 | Mac OS X 10.5.6 , brl-cad svn trunk |
| 02:58.00 | typ0 | PPC |
| 02:59.10 | typ0 | brl-cad has version number 7.14.5 |
| 02:59.45 | yukonbob | thinks .6 was just published today... |
| 02:59.58 | typ0 | yeah i already ran svn update |
| 03:00.06 | yukonbob | (not that I'd expact it to fix this issue...) |
| 03:00.46 | yukonbob | typ0: I'm -not- a Mac guy -- have to wait for somebody else to chime in :P |
| 03:01.09 | typ0 | ;) |
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| 03:10.36 | typ0 | DisplayWidth should return my LCD screen width ? |
| 03:24.29 | Ralith|trip | checks in some more |
| 03:29.14 | typ0 | well all the X related functions are crashing for me in this file |
| 03:29.19 | typ0 | for some strange reason |
| 03:37.16 | yukonbob | typ0: you running X, or stricly Aqua? |
| 03:37.21 | yukonbob | *strictly |
| 03:37.59 | typ0 | X11, latest code from Apple |
| 03:38.03 | typ0 | from here: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/ |
| 03:44.31 | yukonbob | prepares to fly out... |
| 03:44.41 | yukonbob | hope your problem is solved soon, typ0 |
| 03:46.09 | typ0 | cheer |
| 03:46.09 | typ0 | s |
| 03:46.19 | typ0 | going to slee |
| 03:46.20 | typ0 | p |
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| 06:30.43 | hippieindamakin8 | good morning Ralith madant |
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| 12:40.04 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
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| 13:00.15 | brlcad | no kidding |
| 13:05.27 | ``Erik | my yawn was just waking up, not "been awake for 8 years now" : |
| 13:05.28 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:47.15 | Malyce | Urm, I selected autoconf, automake and libtools in the installer package for Cygwin. Is this sufficient |
| 13:47.16 | Malyce | ? |
| 13:50.54 | ``Erik | should be, um |
| 13:51.06 | ``Erik | automake should list autoconf as a dependancy |
| 13:51.19 | ``Erik | you might need some X compatability shtuff |
| 13:52.02 | ``Erik | the package has an "autogen.sh" script that will attempt to look for stuff and run the right programs to generate configure for you |
| 13:52.30 | ``Erik | if you're on windows and you have msvc, there are msvc build packages I think in misc/ |
| 13:52.39 | Malyce | I will be using --without-x-11 |
| 13:52.50 | Malyce | x-11 is a pain in the *** |
| 13:52.54 | ``Erik | that'd be --without-x11 |
| 13:53.00 | ``Erik | there's no dash there :) |
| 13:53.06 | Malyce | k |
| 13:53.31 | Malyce | I was worried about the M4 and perl dependencies that Autoconf and automake have |
| 13:53.41 | ``Erik | we're a unix shop (not linux, unix), so disabling X might be busted |
| 13:53.56 | Malyce | I did see some perl packages in the install and selected them |
| 13:54.06 | Malyce | I pray not |
| 13:54.29 | ``Erik | *shrug* give it a go, if ya see problems you don't understand, throw 'em out in channel, someone will tell a something, eventually :) |
| 13:54.55 | Malyce | I couldn't find M4 support in the install package |
| 13:55.05 | Malyce | I looked under dev |
| 13:55.13 | ``Erik | m4 is a core thing, autoconf depends on it |
| 13:55.13 | Malyce | I hope it is supported |
| 13:55.25 | ``Erik | if you have autoconf, you have m4 |
| 13:55.27 | Malyce | I hope the installer is smart enough to realise that |
| 13:55.30 | Malyce | ok |
| 13:57.03 | Malyce | how do I do a svn checkout from sourceforge ? |
| 13:57.19 | Malyce | I heard that I shouldn't just download the GNU tarball |
| 13:57.22 | ``Erik | um, you read the instructions on the sourceforge page. |
| 14:00.23 | ``Erik | got it rolling? |
| 14:00.32 | ``Erik | um, it's /brlcad/brlcad/trunk iirc |
| 14:01.39 | Malyce | that's what I wanted |
| 14:01.53 | Malyce | The help page on SF didn't say anything |
| 14:01.54 | Malyce | thx |
| 14:02.12 | ``Erik | np, a 'source view' woulda given ya that |
| 14:03.04 | ``Erik | I'm sure gory details are on http://brlcad.org, too :) |
| 14:04.10 | Malyce | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/brlcad/brlcad/trunk iirc ? |
| 14:04.59 | ``Erik | my repo has https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk |
| 14:05.35 | ``Erik | that's an accredited account, though, yours would be http: until you get a commit bit |
| 14:05.54 | Malyce | you mean become a SF member first ? |
| 14:06.20 | ``Erik | you must have an sf account to commit, and you must prove that you're semi-competent before you get commit access |
| 14:06.21 | ``Erik | :) |
| 14:06.39 | ``Erik | we usually request a simple patch via the sf tracker |
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| 14:24.10 | mafm | hi folks |
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| 14:33.15 | dreeves | brlcad did you ever get a chance to check out that patch...no big deal I was just making sure there wasn't still something wrong with it |
| 14:35.03 | Malyce | Isn't that the only GSOC patch so far ? |
| 14:37.12 | dreeves | no I'm not part of the GSOC |
| 14:40.15 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 14:40.15 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 14:40.43 | Malyce | Where are the GSOC patches then ? |
| 14:41.03 | Malyce | I thought they would be in the SF tracker |
| 14:41.06 | brlcad | dreeves: I looked through it and was better -- just hadn't tested it yet |
| 14:41.27 | brlcad | dreeves: and nice follow up on the license/copyright check |
| 14:41.33 | ``Erik | can the https avenue be used by anonymous? |
| 14:41.50 | brlcad | I'd talked to Elaine about that paper and the work, she didn't have the source link though (and acm had since dropped it) |
| 14:42.02 | brlcad | ``Erik: yeah |
| 14:42.08 | ``Erik | coo' |
| 14:42.18 | brlcad | it'll just prompt for user/pass on first commit |
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| 14:46.23 | *** mode/#brlcad [-b %*!*IriX64@*] by brlcad | |
| 14:46.37 | *** mode/#brlcad [-b %*!smallfoo*@*] by brlcad | |
| 14:46.53 | *** mode/#brlcad [-b *!*gruni@rootgeek.org] by brlcad | |
| 14:46.55 | ``Erik | wow, banned even? |
| 14:47.07 | brlcad | no, quiets are implemented in the banlist |
| 14:47.14 | brlcad | that's the leading % |
| 14:47.21 | ``Erik | oh, used to efnet :) |
| 14:47.37 | *** mode/#brlcad [-b *!smallfoo*@*] by brlcad | |
| 14:47.43 | ``Erik | woulda thunkt +m and +v's around |
| 14:47.49 | brlcad | there, I'll get it right eventually :) |
| 14:48.20 | brlcad | too much effort, have to voice everyone instead of the one that was causing the problem |
| 14:48.26 | ``Erik | *server migration supersubliminal message* |
| 14:48.40 | brlcad | and he wasn't trying to subvert it, did well |
| 14:49.09 | ``Erik | he's a good guy, I like him... works hard, just not a guru |
| 14:49.30 | ``Erik | I want to help him maximize his contribution |
| 14:49.52 | ``Erik | so he can have synergy with the, uh, cmmi, uh, buzzword, something |
| 14:50.34 | dreeves | brlcad no problem on the code making sure you weren't still waiting on me for something...I have the source code for that paper if you want it |
| 14:50.49 | ``Erik | url? |
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| 14:53.13 | Briggs | does brl cad have a central library for things like vectors, matrices, triangle/ray intersections/ect or are routines for these things spread across the source code? |
| 14:53.13 | ``Erik | assigns it to brlcad :D |
| 14:53.16 | ``Erik | *dodge* |
| 14:53.34 | ``Erik | sorta, include/vmath.h has an awful lot |
| 14:53.48 | Briggs | danke |
| 14:54.02 | ``Erik | intersections are handled by librt |
| 14:54.18 | Briggs | right. |
| 14:54.24 | Briggs | will scour the source. |
| 14:54.45 | Briggs | hrmm. anyone have experience browsing brl cads source with cscope? does it deal with it well? |
| 14:55.00 | ``Erik | our geometry has negatives, we don't solve intersection until the ray is fired |
| 14:55.19 | ``Erik | yeah, cscope works well, takes a good chunk of time to generate the hash, though |
| 14:55.31 | Briggs | I can always go make a cup of coffee or something :) |
| 14:55.44 | ``Erik | ~2m on my workstation |
| 14:55.54 | Briggs | ahh thats not horrible |
| 14:56.15 | ``Erik | dude, that's 120 seconds of starting at a blank screen |
| 14:56.16 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:56.47 | Briggs | it takes about that long to make a good cup of coffee... |
| 14:56.49 | Briggs | :) |
| 14:56.54 | Briggs | or tea |
| 14:57.02 | ``Erik | depends on your definition of good... |
| 14:57.10 | Briggs | this is true |
| 14:57.24 | ``Erik | I have the press and all that, but I seem to be willing to mix some instants to get my cup |
| 14:57.26 | ``Erik | :( |
| 14:57.37 | ``Erik | I have friends that would stab me for that |
| 14:57.39 | Briggs | haha |
| 14:57.50 | Briggs | I was going to get one of those one-cup thingies. |
| 14:58.08 | Briggs | but instant is probably even less hassle. |
| 14:58.43 | ``Erik | tell ya what, though, I have a one cup water heater, I throw a teaspoon loaded with 'mountain brew' and one general int 'french vanilla', it's a decent cup |
| 15:06.42 | ``Erik | brlcad: I honestly don't think you should waste your time or mine moving hunks of metal, if we can tap an m3 guy and like rich, that's be a better utilization of assets, no? I don't grok why we can't trust them with that |
| 15:07.53 | ``Erik | we do remote clean shutdown, they do the monkey work, hit the power buttons, we verify they came up... mebbe stop by and see that the bolts are good, it's donw |
| 15:10.52 | ``Erik | fuck fuck fuckity fuck *pats down teh hairs that are trying to go pointy* |
| 15:23.54 | mafm | (obcenity overflow) |
| 15:29.28 | Briggs | wonders why lists in python have no 'copy' method. |
| 15:29.31 | Briggs | whoops, wrong channel. |
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| 15:36.07 | mafm | hi madant |
| 15:41.57 | ``Erik | Briggs: cuz guido didn't say so? :D |
| 16:05.22 | brlcad | Briggs: because it's built in? listA = list() ; listB = list(listA) |
| 16:05.54 | Briggs | brlcad: this is true |
| 16:06.24 | Briggs | brlcad: just that python is usually consistent about these things so I was suprised to find 'somelist.copy()' didnt work |
| 16:06.44 | Briggs | well I guess a lot of basic builtin types dont have copy() method... hrmmm |
| 16:06.51 | Briggs | nevermind, was wrong channel anyway like I said :) |
| 16:08.34 | *** part/#brlcad Briggs (n=chatzill@adsl-70-238-154-89.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) | |
| 16:10.10 | mafm | brlcad: I've been sidetracked yesterday, I haven't completed my application. however, the biggest problem as you know is that I haven't had time to prepare for gsoc, and the projects where I could be more productive are quite vague |
| 16:10.48 | mafm | kind of, I cannot think of any workable plan linking the new GUI and GS if I don't know much about the details of GS, and the GUI is still to be desined and built |
| 16:11.11 | mafm | designed* even |
| 16:11.56 | mafm | and I think that I can still edit the application, but I guess that this would be cheating |
| 16:20.48 | brlcad | it's not cheating if it lets you, don't think it allows you to edit more than the abstract |
| 16:25.16 | poolio | well then couldn't you just have a really really long abstract? |
| 16:41.54 | madant | there is a word limit .. 500 ? |
| 16:46.33 | poolio | ah well |
| 16:57.27 | mafm | 500 characters |
| 16:57.42 | mafm | and I left blank the content too |
| 17:00.25 | mafm | it's not editable anyway |
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| 19:32.56 | Malyce | sh autogen.sh |
| 19:33.27 | Malyce | line 79: $'\r': command not found |
| 19:34.35 | Malyce | line 97: syntax error near unexpected token '$'{\r'' |
| 19:35.08 | Malyce | line 97: 'ident (){ |
| 19:35.48 | Malyce | is this a GBS problem ? |
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| 19:37.59 | ``Erik | huh, are you using windows or something? |
| 19:38.07 | Malyce | cygwin on xp |
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| 19:48.13 | Malyce | I did select Autoconf, Automake and libtools in the setup package |
| 19:48.34 | Malyce | mebbe they are not the latest versions ? |
| 19:48.59 | ``Erik | I imagine it's a line ending issue |
| 19:49.28 | Malyce | autoconf 2.63 |
| 19:49.39 | Malyce | automake 1.10 |
| 19:50.14 | ``Erik | hrm, svn says that file is 'native' line ending :/ |
| 19:50.16 | Malyce | libtools 2.2.7a |
| 19:50.27 | Malyce | what must I do ? |
| 19:52.18 | ``Erik | I don't know, I'm guessing that your pull has some "not quite right" files :( I don't know, I'm sorry :( |
| 19:53.05 | Malyce | rats |
| 19:53.26 | Malyce | all I want to do, is compile a couple of files from core c++ interfaces |
| 19:53.43 | Malyce | any workarounds ? |
| 19:54.06 | ``Erik | windows is not a core target, and cygwin is not the usual windows avenue for us :( |
| 19:54.24 | Malyce | then, what is ? |
| 19:54.34 | ``Erik | \r is C for a line return, dos/windows kinda looks at \n as a \r\n |
| 19:54.48 | ``Erik | mac, bsd, linux, irix, solaris, uhm |
| 19:54.58 | Malyce | wouldn't mind switching |
| 19:55.02 | Malyce | just not right now |
| 19:55.11 | ``Erik | winderz has msvc8 and 9 proj files |
| 19:55.32 | ``Erik | if you can figure out how to make it work on cygwin, that'd be awesome |
| 19:55.50 | Malyce | Maybe I will. Just, not today |
| 19:55.57 | Malyce | will msvc express do ? |
| 19:56.19 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't know |
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| 19:56.36 | Malyce | perhaps I should wait till BRL shows up |
| 19:57.22 | Malyce | oh, btw, where do the GSOC patches go ? |
| 19:57.29 | Malyce | not the SF tracker ? |
| 20:00.11 | ``Erik | sf tracker is good, mention your irc handle in the info or something |
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| 20:00.52 | ``Erik | either brlcad or I will review it and annotate internal info |
| 20:01.21 | ``Erik | and either apply it, or hand out a commit bit and let you apply it |
| 20:01.24 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 20:01.42 | Malyce | was just curious |
| 20:01.51 | Malyce | all the patches there seem to be somewhat old |
| 20:02.04 | ``Erik | yes, we knock the easy ones out fast |
| 20:02.13 | Malyce | with GSOC happening, I woulda thought it would be filled with GSOC patches |
| 20:02.34 | Malyce | or mebbe everyone is working late like me |
| 20:02.36 | ``Erik | some patches are many years old, most gsoc patches don't sit more than 24 hours |
| 20:02.46 | Malyce | ahhh |
| 20:03.07 | Malyce | is that because they don't do anything useful ? |
| 20:03.15 | Malyce | just demonstrate coding capability ? |
| 20:04.17 | Malyce | or because they are no good ? |
| 20:04.32 | ``Erik | more a factor of the time a commiter has to apply |
| 20:04.58 | Malyce | ? |
| 20:05.13 | ``Erik | if I can look at a patch, vouch for it and apply it in 15 minutes, it's in... if it takes a week to understand, well, I might not have a week to spend doing that |
| 20:05.46 | ``Erik | if it's an important patch, I'll spend more time than if it's not *shrug* |
| 20:05.54 | Malyce | so, a patch I make should be very readable, or its out ? |
| 20:06.19 | ``Erik | your patch should be correct, the result code should be readable |
| 20:06.42 | ``Erik | and it's all shades of grey, a patch readability alone is not in/out stuff :) |
| 20:07.04 | ``Erik | get to codin'! |
| 20:07.10 | Malyce | I have been |
| 20:07.18 | Malyce | In the time it takes to compile this thing |
| 20:07.32 | Malyce | How many GSOC patches have been submitted so far ? |
| 20:07.53 | ``Erik | I don't know, and if I did, I don't know if I should tell you :) |
| 20:08.04 | Malyce | I see |
| 20:08.08 | Malyce | why not ? |
| 20:08.29 | ``Erik | for which? |
| 20:08.41 | Malyce | why if you knew, you wouldnt tell |
| 20:09.01 | ``Erik | the latter, I don't want to foster a competitive environment, I don't think gsoc is about winners and losers |
| 20:09.16 | Malyce | its not ? |
| 20:09.20 | Malyce | hahaha |
| 20:09.54 | Malyce | A 5000 dollar internship *is* about winners and losers |
| 20:10.05 | Malyce | right now, I am struggling not to be the latter |
| 20:10.14 | Malyce | sorry, 4500 dollars |
| 20:10.16 | ``Erik | well, they're flexible, their goal is to see good things done, and yeah, $5k is a nice little bump, but that's not the point of it, that's just a carrot |
| 20:10.29 | Malyce | pretty juicy carrot |
| 20:10.44 | ``Erik | 5k, 4.5 to the student, .5 to the mentor (but we waive the mentor $'s) |
| 20:11.26 | Malyce | does the .5 then go to BRL-CAD as an org ? |
| 20:11.31 | Malyce | or is it just gone ? |
| 20:11.42 | ``Erik | do up your patch, do your application or two, we discuss the merits of the projects and people |
| 20:11.54 | ``Erik | we waive it, we don't accept it at all. google keeps it |
| 20:12.16 | Malyce | why ? its not like google needs more $ |
| 20:12.27 | ``Erik | $500 is not worth the liability of for pay activities combining with gov't work |
| 20:12.51 | Malyce | I see. There are too many strings attached ? |
| 20:13.03 | ``Erik | *shrug* it's a risk |
| 20:13.35 | ``Erik | my salary is tax dollars, so getting paid by google is ... double-charging effectively |
| 20:14.03 | Malyce | what is your line of work ? |
| 20:15.00 | ``Erik | computer scientist, us army research lab, survibility/lethality analyses directorate, software development branch, advanced computer systems tema |
| 20:15.38 | Malyce | You are one of the original BRL-CAD ppl ? |
| 20:15.44 | Malyce | *GASPS* |
| 20:15.48 | ``Erik | I've been accused of being a real computer scientist, not a sofwtare engineer |
| 20:15.52 | ``Erik | not original, but on the team |
| 20:16.07 | Malyce | I see |
| 20:16.15 | Malyce | Yes, they are very different things |
| 20:16.28 | Malyce | I am more of the opposite |
| 20:16.42 | Malyce | although I am supposed to be a CS, I am becoming a CE |
| 20:17.14 | ``Erik | yeh, pointy hairs like sloc, not idea pontification |
| 20:17.16 | mafm | Malyce: re:gsoc patches: you can see that in the patch manager of sourceforge, with a bit of guessing |
| 20:17.33 | Malyce | is brlcad also one of the founding ppl ? |
| 20:17.45 | Malyce | mafm: Yes, I did that yesterday |
| 20:17.55 | Malyce | I am a curious crow |
| 20:17.57 | ``Erik | 10 days of grunt coding seems more impressive to them than lava lamp meditation for 5 days and 2 days coding |
| 20:18.21 | Malyce | CS is *hard* |
| 20:18.34 | ``Erik | brlcad is the dude kinda being our point guard, but he was shitting hsi diapers when BRL-CAD started |
| 20:18.36 | Malyce | as hard as abstract math |
| 20:18.46 | Malyce | i see |
| 20:19.01 | Malyce | are there other founding members still here ? |
| 20:19.09 | ``Erik | no |
| 20:19.20 | Malyce | hey, are you there in one of the pix on the site ? |
| 20:19.23 | ``Erik | the core guy until 2000 died in a car accident |
| 20:19.35 | Malyce | ow |
| 20:19.43 | ``Erik | other importnat people have retired or moved on to other projects |
| 20:20.12 | ``Erik | pix on the site? |
| 20:21.14 | ``Erik | if you look at ohloh, it makes things pretty obvious :) |
| 20:21.17 | Malyce | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:21.17 | Malyce | # a u t o g e n . s h |
| 20:21.17 | Malyce | # |
| 20:21.17 | Malyce | # Copyright (c) 2005-2009 United States Government as represented by |
| 20:21.17 | Malyce | # the U.S. Army Research Laboratory. |
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| 20:21.34 | ``Erik | dude, http://pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 20:22.23 | Malyce | oh hell |
| 20:22.25 | Malyce | sorry |
| 20:22.28 | Malyce | http://brlcad.org/gallery/d/230-2/Mike+Muss.jpg |
| 20:22.32 | Malyce | that's what I meant |
| 20:22.34 | ``Erik | I came tot he lab in '03 and one of my first tasks was to rewrite teh build system from cake into automake, so those am files are all fairly new |
| 20:22.51 | Malyce | so, that can't be you there |
| 20:23.07 | ``Erik | hm, no, that's mike in the chair, uh, owen something standing with the beard |
| 20:23.21 | ``Erik | though one of those pdp top-plates might be on my book case |
| 20:23.36 | mafm | Malyce: the point is that patches are public and are to be submitted there, so no need to ask :) |
| 20:24.06 | Malyce | mafm: but there are no recent ones, except one by drreeves |
| 20:24.25 | Malyce | mafm: it can't be that noone has submitted a patch yet |
| 20:24.35 | ``Erik | that's where the patches go |
| 20:24.51 | Malyce | Erik: I remember looking at the pic last year or the year before |
| 20:25.03 | Malyce | and thinking, there was a time when ppl wore that to work ? |
| 20:25.16 | Malyce | 'the suit' |
| 20:25.16 | ``Erik | was the 70's, man :D |
| 20:25.17 | mafm | Malyce: that'd be the case :) |
| 20:25.39 | Malyce | *GASPS AGAIN* |
| 20:25.45 | Malyce | that can't be right |
| 20:26.03 | ``Erik | make a patch, submit it! |
| 20:26.07 | Malyce | on it |
| 20:26.08 | ``Erik | shut up and code! |
| 20:26.09 | ``Erik | :D |
| 20:26.20 | Malyce | but its no good if I can't even compile my code, now is it ? |
| 20:26.28 | Malyce | which is why I wait |
| 20:26.28 | mafm | the deadline for patches is in 1 week or so, not sure -- but the sooner the better |
| 20:26.47 | Malyce | my problem is that I am still struggling to compile the svn checkout |
| 20:26.59 | Malyce | not much I can do till I get that done |
| 20:27.06 | ``Erik | we won't straight up say no, if you put down a patch that ain't right, we'll tell you and see about making it right |
| 20:27.34 | Malyce | I would be ashamed to submit something I did not feel I tried 100% to make right |
| 20:27.40 | ``Erik | but we'll get to some point where we sit down and try to order applicants, we have to come up with a real order and start saying "sorry, you didn't make it" |
| 20:27.49 | ``Erik | so it's a lot better to submit early |
| 20:28.11 | Malyce | Then I will submit a not-yet compiled patch now |
| 20:28.16 | Malyce | and fix it as soon as I can |
| 20:28.32 | ``Erik | rather you got it working, first, but *shrug* |
| 20:29.10 | ``Erik | if a patch is JUST to make it work on a certain platform, that's a good thing |
| 20:29.35 | ``Erik | if a patch is "I did stuff, btu nothing works", well.. what are we supposed to think about that? :D |
| 20:29.38 | ``Erik | know what I mean? |
| 20:30.28 | mafm | 1. Patch doesn't compile |
| 20:30.30 | mafm | 2. ??? |
| 20:30.36 | mafm | 3. No profit |
| 20:30.37 | Malyce | so I wait then, till brlcad shows up and gives me a hint on how to compile the checkout |
| 20:30.48 | mafm | :) |
| 20:30.52 | ``Erik | I don't know if he can give you a hint |
| 20:30.55 | Malyce | in the meantime, I am coding, just can't compile anything |
| 20:31.04 | Malyce | any suggestions then ? |
| 20:31.05 | ``Erik | you're not in our turf, dude, :( |
| 20:31.19 | ``Erik | I'd imagine it's a line ending related issue |
| 20:31.24 | ``Erik | but that's an educated guess |
| 20:31.35 | Malyce | yes, I plan to burn my current machine and get one with linux |
| 20:31.48 | Malyce | just as soon as I get this code to compile |
| 20:31.50 | ``Erik | I mean, windows? really? I have one windows machine, it's at work and I don't touch it |
| 20:31.57 | Malyce | sorry |
| 20:32.08 | ``Erik | if you can figure out how to make it work on cygwin, that'd be awesome |
| 20:32.18 | ``Erik | but it's not like we left it broken on purpose |
| 20:32.24 | Malyce | My older machine would have been able to get linux running up and fast |
| 20:32.28 | Malyce | but its kaputs |
| 20:32.35 | ``Erik | if we knew the answer, it'd be fixed in teh repo :) |
| 20:32.42 | Malyce | and the new one is a lightweight with SSD HD |
| 20:32.54 | Malyce | installing Cygwin typically takes 2 hours |
| 20:33.05 | Malyce | installing an OS would be a nightmare |
| 20:33.17 | Malyce | so, I am playing it safe for just now |
| 20:33.25 | mafm | :D |
| 20:33.36 | mafm | installing current linuz distros takes less than 2h for sure |
| 20:33.40 | Malyce | sorry, I am a poor student |
| 20:33.46 | Malyce | on a standard HD, yes |
| 20:33.53 | Malyce | not on flash memory |
| 20:34.39 | mafm | not really :) |
| 20:35.00 | Malyce | I tried running VNC server on one of my lab machines |
| 20:35.05 | Malyce | they are all Solaris |
| 20:35.08 | mafm | now, I'm not telling you to install it, and it's a bit difficult if you haven't done it before, but for sure it doesn't take that much time |
| 20:35.12 | Malyce | but I don't have rights on them |
| 20:35.16 | ``Erik | well, tell ya what, we don't care what os you run. btu this ain't a class, we're not inventing work for people, so no one has all the answer for ya |
| 20:35.26 | Malyce | I understand |
| 20:35.36 | ``Erik | if you push and fix a platform we don't currently support, that's totally awesome |
| 20:35.37 | Malyce | I don't wanna look like a whine baby |
| 20:35.40 | ``Erik | but we don't invent work |
| 20:35.45 | Malyce | of cours |
| 20:35.56 | andax | mafm: as long as you do not compile your distribution from source, it takes less than 2 hours, yes |
| 20:36.20 | Malyce | is there any way, I can only compile a portion of the code ? |
| 20:36.23 | Malyce | there should be |
| 20:36.36 | mafm | andax: yes well, I was not talking about gentoo :D |
| 20:36.37 | ``Erik | had a rhel cd that went from naked system to enterprise production system in about 15 minutes O.o many years ago |
| 20:36.39 | Malyce | no linking, only compiling |
| 20:36.54 | ``Erik | um, if your'e on the automake system, I made a "depends" rule for make |
| 20:37.32 | mafm | Malyce: haven't you got linuz accounts in the lab? |
| 20:37.40 | Malyce | I guess its hands-on gcc/g++ compiling |
| 20:37.41 | Malyce | yes |
| 20:37.44 | Malyce | but no rights |
| 20:37.51 | Malyce | :D |
| 20:38.01 | ``Erik | it's in misc/Makefile.defs I think, you can do, like, cd src/rt && make depends and it'll "do the right thing" |
| 20:38.07 | ``Erik | no install dealie, tho |
| 20:38.15 | Malyce | that's fine |
| 20:38.24 | ``Erik | that'd be a great pre-acceptance patch |
| 20:38.40 | Malyce | sarcasm ? |
| 20:39.04 | ``Erik | no, seriously, if you make something like "install-recursive", that'd be awesome |
| 20:39.27 | Malyce | you mean if I can make the thing install on cygwin ? |
| 20:39.45 | ``Erik | or grab a linux box or whatever |
| 20:40.09 | ``Erik | any other student looking for a patch idea, whatever :) |
| 20:40.09 | brlcad | Malyce: you need help on compiling? |
| 20:40.12 | Malyce | Yes, I will hunt for one. Should be able to borrow one |
| 20:40.14 | brlcad | that's not a good sign.. :) |
| 20:40.16 | Malyce | uh huh |
| 20:40.24 | Malyce | its on cygwin |
| 20:40.30 | Malyce | i followed the steps |
| 20:40.38 | Malyce | but autogen.sh died on me |
| 20:40.47 | brlcad | is cygwin your only platform? |
| 20:40.52 | Malyce | for now |
| 20:40.54 | ``Erik | \r issue on cyggy |
| 20:40.59 | ``Erik | autogen.sh craps out |
| 20:40.59 | ``Erik | just back from crew? :) |
| 20:41.12 | brlcad | no, just been wandering around the house doing things |
| 20:41.30 | brlcad | watched heroes, had lunch, took some pics, worked on the house |
| 20:41.38 | brlcad | got through e-mail |
| 20:41.40 | ``Erik | didja read backlog? I'm hoping I didn't say incorrect stuff |
| 20:41.48 | brlcad | not really |
| 20:41.49 | brlcad | at least not yet |
| 20:41.56 | andax | the fastest of my installation of a open source operating system was DOSminix2.0. It is DOS-dependent, therefore not a entire operating system but runs very nicely out of a Windows-Box |
| 20:41.59 | Malyce | ok. I guess I will try stealing someone's machine then |
| 20:42.19 | brlcad | Malyce: you should be able to get it to work |
| 20:42.27 | brlcad | I've done a full build on cygwin several times |
| 20:42.34 | Malyce | that's great news |
| 20:42.39 | Malyce | do advise |
| 20:42.46 | ``Erik | malyce: we want cyggy and windows people, we just don't do it ourselves much |
| 20:43.07 | brlcad | if you have \r's in your files, then you maybe got the files in a bad way |
| 20:43.14 | brlcad | where are those sources from? |
| 20:43.14 | Malyce | I remember selecting Autoconf, Automake and libtools during installation |
| 20:43.18 | Malyce | SF |
| 20:43.24 | brlcad | how? |
| 20:43.28 | ``Erik | autogen.sh has the 'native' eol style int he repo |
| 20:43.29 | brlcad | from svn through cygwin? |
| 20:44.02 | brlcad | and is it a binary svn from tigris, or from somewhere else? |
| 20:44.20 | Malyce | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk |
| 20:44.29 | Malyce | svn checkout |
| 20:44.36 | ``Erik | the svn.ex |
| 20:44.39 | brlcad | if you checked out with an svn built *in* cygwin, it should work just fine |
| 20:44.41 | Malyce | through win xp |
| 20:45.42 | ``Erik | no, where did you get the svn executable |
| 20:45.42 | Malyce | svn, exe ? |
| 20:45.42 | brlcad | yes.. where? |
| 20:45.42 | Malyce | I am using tortoise on Win XP |
| 20:45.42 | brlcad | there's your problem |
| 20:45.42 | Malyce | should I have done that from inside Cygwin ? |
| 20:45.43 | brlcad | if you're going to check out the sources outside cygwin, it makes "windows" text files |
| 20:45.43 | Malyce | I see |
| 20:45.45 | ``Erik | with the extra \r |
| 20:45.46 | brlcad | if you check out within cygwin, it'll make "*nix" text files |
| 20:45.51 | ``Erik | <- points up where he siad that :D |
| 20:45.56 | Malyce | ha |
| 20:45.59 | brlcad | see, listen to ``Erik |
| 20:45.59 | Malyce | cool |
| 20:46.09 | brlcad | and don't mix your gui/cygwin tools :) |
| 20:46.19 | brlcad | if you do a tortoise checkout, build it with studio |
| 20:46.24 | Malyce | now I need to figure out how to get cygwin to connect ot the net |
| 20:46.26 | Malyce | allright |
| 20:46.27 | brlcad | why aren't you building with studio? |
| 20:46.30 | Malyce | I could |
| 20:47.08 | ``Erik | now I wouldn't have known that tortoise screws the pooch like that, but *shrug* \r is the issue, windows vs unix |
| 20:47.20 | Malyce | msvc express 2008 will do ? |
| 20:47.22 | brlcad | yeah |
| 20:47.27 | Malyce | ok |
| 20:47.27 | ``Erik | should |
| 20:47.36 | brlcad | you could even fix the problem, because probably only autogen.sh is all that needs fixed |
| 20:47.43 | brlcad | the source files will be parsed okay by gcc |
| 20:47.56 | brlcad | could just strip the carriages |
| 20:47.59 | Malyce | allright |
| 20:48.13 | Malyce | all 35 pages of them ? |
| 20:48.19 | brlcad | huh? |
| 20:48.24 | brlcad | pages? |
| 20:48.27 | ``Erik | I like the notion of a clean build on cygwin |
| 20:48.38 | Malyce | when I paste the text in an editor |
| 20:48.44 | Malyce | it came to 35 pages I think |
| 20:48.52 | brlcad | pretty irrelevant number |
| 20:48.57 | Malyce | k |
| 20:49.19 | brlcad | it's a shell script .. coulda made the whole thing one line |
| 20:50.04 | brlcad | fixes that muuss picture name |
| 20:50.27 | ``Erik | what's the other dudes name? this is bugging me, I knew it... |
| 20:50.43 | brlcad | was out of diapers by the time brl-cad started :) |
| 20:51.07 | ``Erik | not what your wife siad *coug* *dck* *run* |
| 20:51.43 | ``Erik | '79? |
| 20:51.46 | brlcad | Malyce: whom all have you applied with? |
| 20:52.07 | Malyce | I had wanted to also apply to ptolemy |
| 20:52.16 | Malyce | but I decided to focus only on brl |
| 20:52.45 | ``Erik | get a good app in, if you have time, apply to ptolemy, too... :) |
| 20:52.54 | brlcad | Malyce: also, several apply but don't read our application instructions either and get major points knocked off them by not submitting a patch |
| 20:53.08 | Malyce | isn't the deadline over ? |
| 20:53.10 | brlcad | always good to keep both going |
| 20:53.15 | ``Erik | not yt |
| 20:53.19 | Malyce | what ? |
| 20:53.25 | Malyce | I thought it was done yesterday |
| 20:53.26 | brlcad | brl-cad's going to be pretty competitive, less than 30% chances for any individual |
| 20:53.45 | brlcad | the submit-your-application deadline has passed |
| 20:53.47 | yukonbob | fight! |
| 20:53.55 | ``Erik | I thought there was a bit mroe time, I thought the final cutoff was like the 20th? |
| 20:54.08 | pacman87 | ``Erik: that's the final acceptance decision |
| 20:54.23 | pacman87 | applying deadline was friday noon pst |
| 20:54.24 | brlcad | they can't submit, but tweaks and responses can still be made |
| 20:54.44 | brlcad | which was a shame.. should have given the students the weekend at least |
| 20:54.51 | ``Erik | ok, I know les threw out a "damnit, apply!" last week |
| 20:54.56 | brlcad | the firm deadline bullcrap is annoying too |
| 20:55.08 | brlcad | at least that didn't affect us |
| 20:55.18 | pacman87 | gov test took over my life until thursday night |
| 20:55.28 | brlcad | gov test? |
| 20:55.36 | brlcad | someone make you pee in a cup? |
| 20:55.40 | pacman87 | government |
| 20:55.47 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:55.48 | pacman87 | no, test on my knowledge of gov |
| 20:55.49 | pacman87 | lol |
| 20:55.52 | brlcad | I know 'gov' meant that |
| 20:55.58 | brlcad | but not what *you* meant by that |
| 20:56.08 | brlcad | s/meant/mean/ |
| 20:56.16 | pacman87 | it's the only class i actually have to take to graduate |
| 20:56.20 | brlcad | ahh |
| 20:56.22 | pacman87 | the other ones are just for fun |
| 20:56.26 | brlcad | that sounds absolutely.. |
| 20:56.27 | brlcad | horrible |
| 20:56.55 | pacman87 | ie, computer architecture, concurrent/dist sys, microprocessors, and solid-state electronics |
| 20:57.04 | brlcad | cool |
| 20:57.10 | mafm | pacman87: couldn't apply? |
| 20:57.15 | pacman87 | no, i got it in |
| 20:57.15 | brlcad | distributed systems should be fun |
| 20:57.18 | pacman87 | but it was rushed |
| 20:57.27 | mafm | brlcad: it's a bit annoying specially because in past years they extended it too much |
| 20:57.28 | brlcad | the rest, meh, to much CE :) |
| 20:57.56 | pacman87 | i want to end up in embedded systems or computer arch |
| 20:58.20 | pacman87 | i'm just taking a long way through ME to get there |
| 20:58.52 | brlcad | decides to go to the grocery store just so he can get a little vitamin D on this fine day |
| 20:58.56 | ``Erik | those all sound fun to me |
| 20:59.14 | mafm | mechanical engineering? |
| 20:59.18 | pacman87 | yes |
| 20:59.32 | ``Erik | brlcad: here's my grocery list O.o |
| 20:59.41 | mafm | meh, the unwashed masses taking over poor CE/CS :( :P |
| 20:59.55 | ``Erik | ce and cs are wayyyyyy different |
| 21:00.22 | mafm | I know, but AFAIK in Europe it's mosly CE all around |
| 21:00.47 | ``Erik | yeah, cs is misunderstood as ce here in the US |
| 21:00.47 | mafm | and people from any other science field taking jobs from us :D |
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| 21:00.59 | Malyce | haha |
| 21:01.14 | mafm | i.e., mathematicians working as VB mouse engineers |
| 21:01.16 | ``Erik | wait, what? damn fuckers in india stealing jobs from teh us? what? :D *duck* |
| 21:01.17 | mafm | stuff like that :P |
| 21:01.21 | ``Erik | I mean, uh, hi! |
| 21:01.32 | mafm | :) |
| 21:02.06 | mafm | just kidding, but I have telecom eng. with me at work |
| 21:02.11 | ``Erik | morning, andre |
| 21:02.16 | mafm | and they make my life... less interesting |
| 21:02.31 | mafm | previously it was physicists... oh dear |
| 21:02.57 | ``Erik | hm, I get to see engineers and physicists trying to write c++, it's ... interesting |
| 21:02.58 | mafm | grid storage admins mounting volumes with NFS, not knowing how RPC worked internally... |
| 21:03.42 | ``Erik | heh, yeah, beating down a screw with a hammer |
| 21:04.39 | mafm | now I have telecom eng. girls trying to tell me how to interface a WS, telling me that the WS should access caller system's DB directly |
| 21:05.41 | mafm | so, when you access some webservice of say, amazon, they should mess back with the tables of your DB :P |
| 21:05.47 | madant | is a damn Indian :D |
| 21:06.04 | madant | feels it is awesome to wake up at 2:30 am |
| 21:06.18 | ``Erik | yes, dawn, I know :) kinda part of my joke there |
| 21:06.42 | mafm | madant: it depends who's with you in the bed, I guess |
| 21:06.50 | starseeker | 's jaw hits the floor in awe - unless I'm missing something, they've open sourced the REDUCE computer algebra system |
| 21:07.08 | ``Erik | that's too math geek for me, cliff :( |
| 21:07.09 | madant | ``Erik, I think partly the trend is changing now .. Maybe we will have more chinese tech support in 5 years :D |
| 21:07.31 | ``Erik | I was half considering learning indian and moving out there for a few years |
| 21:07.32 | madant | mafm: Indeed :D |
| 21:07.54 | brlcad | madant: so you seen the jai ho music video with the pussycat dolls? |
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| 21:08.04 | madant | Some parts are really great , "cheap". scenic :) |
| 21:08.15 | madant | brlcad: not really :D |
| 21:08.31 | brlcad | either of those lines humorously works as an answer |
| 21:08.45 | madant | brlcad: I liked Danny Boyle's Trainspotting better ;) |
| 21:08.46 | ``Erik | madant: I think I"d be more interested in looking at the incredible history |
| 21:08.53 | ``Erik | I'm a bit of a history/archeology buff |
| 21:09.14 | ``Erik | and india is home to one of the 7 original civilzations |
| 21:09.20 | starseeker | ``Erik: computer algebra is for people who aren't math geeks but want the correct answers to math questions :-) |
| 21:09.22 | madant | ``Erik, the church i sometimes go to :P is around 1200 years old |
| 21:09.44 | ``Erik | screw 1200 years you got the fucking oldest dock in the world, fucking 4k years old |
| 21:09.48 | madant | had to study sanskrit for 5 years |
| 21:10.11 | Malyce | I had to for 4 |
| 21:10.18 | Malyce | it wasn't all bad |
| 21:10.24 | madant | ``Erik, there was even a recent discovery of something 10k years old in the indian ocean/arabian sea if i am not mistaken |
| 21:10.28 | ``Erik | lothal? |
| 21:10.33 | starseeker | ``Erik: <snort> REDUCE might actually qualify as computer archeology - it's earliest development may predate BRL-CAD's |
| 21:10.36 | brlcad | but is it one of the original alien-seeded civilizations |
| 21:10.54 | ``Erik | lisp is alien technology. |
| 21:11.30 | mafm | 10k years old? peanuts, in Iberian peninsula the neanderthals already played WoW |
| 21:11.31 | madant | ``Erik, Lothal is still just around 5k .. |
| 21:11.32 | brlcad | alienware makes computers for lisp? |
| 21:11.33 | ``Erik | all thingscomputer are history, not archeology :( |
| 21:11.54 | Malyce | mafm: ahahahaha |
| 21:12.19 | ``Erik | shit like lothal makes me read articles and ponder existance |
| 21:12.29 | Malyce | Erik: Why ? |
| 21:12.37 | ``Erik | dude, it's awesome |
| 21:12.41 | madant | brlcad, also i like the song "O Saya" and the wordless "Latika's theme" much better than Jai ho :D |
| 21:12.55 | starseeker | daydreams about alienware lisp machines... |
| 21:12.58 | ``Erik | the first known dock, cut channel and a planned city |
| 21:12.58 | Malyce | Erik: *shrugs* |
| 21:13.05 | Malyce | I know |
| 21:13.32 | madant | and such a LONG time ago :D |
| 21:13.34 | ``Erik | fucking dude, they had communical plumbing millenia before the western world |
| 21:13.54 | mafm | communal? |
| 21:13.59 | Malyce | I wanna see the Bering strait someday |
| 21:14.02 | ``Erik | yeah, heh :) |
| 21:14.10 | Malyce | Don't you mean Mohenjo Daro ? |
| 21:14.18 | ``Erik | houses had tehir own damn plumbing |
| 21:14.46 | Malyce | That's Indus valley civ |
| 21:14.51 | ``Erik | they waren't stupid back then, just lacked the info base we have now |
| 21:15.12 | Malyce | I am not sure that's Lothal though |
| 21:15.15 | mafm | they didn't have youtube, so their productivity excelled |
| 21:15.22 | ``Erik | iirc, archeologists claim there were 7 original civilizations |
| 21:15.35 | ``Erik | indus valley was one of the earlier ones and had some of the most modern features |
| 21:15.40 | Malyce | Lothal is supposed to be an underwater artifact, not well explored |
| 21:15.57 | Malyce | Indus valley was the one with the plumbing and the planning |
| 21:16.02 | Malyce | that we do know abt |
| 21:16.06 | ``Erik | I thought lothal was exposed, just a town on the river |
| 21:16.20 | Malyce | town ? |
| 21:16.27 | Malyce | maybe |
| 21:16.41 | Malyce | let me consult the great wikipedia |
| 21:16.58 | ``Erik | I d'no, best I've heard was that lothal krunked rome in tech and did it 1000 years earlier |
| 21:17.51 | Malyce | It was part of Indus valley |
| 21:18.02 | ``Erik | yeah, but its' the gem |
| 21:18.06 | Malyce | I was thinking of another submerged artifact |
| 21:18.15 | ``Erik | no, we haven't found atlantis yet :D |
| 21:18.22 | Malyce | haha |
| 21:18.36 | ``Erik | the thing out by the straits of gibraltor, sorry, that was artifact from the boat radar paths |
| 21:18.52 | Malyce | no, there was a mythical city in India |
| 21:18.53 | mafm | Gibraltar* |
| 21:18.55 | Malyce | sort of like Troy |
| 21:19.13 | ``Erik | I do not spell good when I'm drunk. Fuck off. :D |
| 21:19.15 | Malyce | myth, but whether the artifact was the same, unverified |
| 21:19.23 | madant | :D |
| 21:19.40 | mafm | your annoying grammar fascist :P |
| 21:20.00 | ``Erik | I'll be more of a bitch than you when I'm together, trust me |
| 21:20.10 | madant | is fascinated by chinese civilizations too .. it takes a hell of a people to stand 1000 year dynasties |
| 21:20.19 | ``Erik | so, yeah, I like archeology and ancient history a lot |
| 21:20.23 | Malyce | Dwarka |
| 21:20.43 | ``Erik | china is awesome, back int he 4 seasons and the warring kingdoms period |
| 21:21.09 | ``Erik | japan learned and integrated a lot from china, it's all awesome |
| 21:21.19 | madant | ``Erik, and to imagine how a common writing system without a common speech system emerged is unbelievable :) |
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| 21:21.27 | madant | even finds it illogical at times |
| 21:21.29 | Malyce | but it is a coincidence that you mention Atlantis |
| 21:21.44 | Malyce | Dwarka was supposed to have sunk as well |
| 21:21.59 | ``Erik | <-- was just a kid, but loved going to the 'theme park' on okinawa that imitated edo period japan, plus the big holidays wehre they all got dressed up |
| 21:22.19 | Malyce | you lived in Japan ? |
| 21:22.25 | ``Erik | '85 to '88 |
| 21:22.32 | Malyce | I want to live there someday |
| 21:22.33 | ``Erik | around kadnea |
| 21:22.36 | ``Erik | kadena |
| 21:22.40 | Malyce | watch too much anime |
| 21:22.44 | madant | think japanese women still walk funny :) |
| 21:22.51 | ``Erik | no, I'm not a huge animae fan |
| 21:22.55 | Malyce | madant: what ?? |
| 21:23.06 | ``Erik | sorry, madant, I'll stop romping them so they can walk normal for ya |
| 21:23.09 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 21:23.16 | madant | haha :D |
| 21:23.46 | madant | is confounded by Japan too.. How could someone close down their borders for 200 years |
| 21:24.05 | madant | Malyce, the kimono effect :D |
| 21:24.08 | mafm | off-topic (?): Leslie on deadlines: "For all you procrastinators out there, please check out Sean's story. If you want something badly enough, you will find a way to make it happen." |
| 21:24.11 | Malyce | ahhhhhh |
| 21:24.20 | mafm | lol |
| 21:24.21 | Malyce | mafm: really ? |
| 21:24.30 | mafm | yep, right now in the mailing list |
| 21:24.32 | madant | mafm, :) what is Sean's story :O ? |
| 21:24.47 | ``Erik | the us closed borders for a long time |
| 21:24.56 | Malyce | I will only do that once I have finished with brl thoudh |
| 21:24.57 | madant | ``Erik, the did ? |
| 21:25.02 | madant | *they |
| 21:25.05 | ``Erik | ww1 forced things open |
| 21:25.10 | ``Erik | ww2 make it a fact |
| 21:25.23 | mafm | madant: one post @ gsoc-discuss, telling about his exams and application to Haiku I think (I just fly over posts) |
| 21:25.50 | ``Erik | don't screw with les, she don't take crap |
| 21:26.01 | mafm | it's funny that she calls procrastinators to ppl complaining about deadlines, but the ppl complaining usually are pretty stupid |
| 21:26.39 | ``Erik | she has mebbe a thousand people bugging her |
| 21:26.44 | ``Erik | step off, yo :D |
| 21:26.53 | madant | feels paranoid now :D |
| 21:27.04 | madant | brlcad, can you see my submitted application :D |
| 21:27.50 | madant | mafm, what is the name of the post ? Application Deadline / |
| 21:27.54 | ``Erik | mentors are supposed to be the first interface, if they can't help, it goes to org admins... if they can't help, THEN it goes to les and chris |
| 21:28.06 | mafm | madant: yes |
| 21:28.43 | mafm | Sean is the guy who began the thread, Leslie has posted just now |
| 21:28.51 | mafm | or like 20 mins ago |
| 21:29.20 | mafm | complaints are in many other threads, though |
| 21:29.28 | madant | ``Erik, and my comment about 1200 year old church was really that if there could be a 1200 year old church here, (there is one even roughly 2000 year old too nearby :D) , there could be a lot more ;) |
| 21:30.04 | ``Erik | one of my bigger thrills in the US was going to cahokia |
| 21:30.28 | mafm | 1200 for a church (building) is not very very common, but there are lots of structures older than that all around |
| 21:30.29 | ``Erik | was a bustling metropolis around 1100 or 1200, before european incursion |
| 21:30.34 | madant | mafm: argh.. i thought Sean = brlcad and was confused |
| 21:30.35 | mafm | all of the roman empire, for one |
| 21:30.55 | mafm | madant: ah no, it was just a random Sean, not Teh Sean |
| 21:31.10 | mafm | a lesser devil, so to speak |
| 21:31.11 | mafm | :P |
| 21:32.00 | madant | ``Erik, sometimes I wonder how much things have changed since say 4000 years ago and how some things haven't :) for instance some of the works of Aristotle seems so organized so structured, it doesnt seem like something written such a long time ago |
| 21:32.23 | madant | except for the slavery etc. :D |
| 21:32.46 | ``Erik | :) some day, I want to buy a plot of land and go start making stone tools and see how far I can get |
| 21:32.53 | mafm | slavery was much worse in the middle ages |
| 21:33.05 | ``Erik | um, I'd argue that the notion of a "wave slave" carries that tradition |
| 21:33.11 | mafm | everything was worse in the middle ages, in western world, really |
| 21:33.17 | ``Erik | not as horrible, but still a notion |
| 21:33.20 | mafm | (and past middle ages too, well) |
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| 21:34.54 | madant | ``Erik, well i think you would get pretty far :) |
| 21:35.13 | ``Erik | I think it'd be neat to get a view into what life was like |
| 21:35.40 | ``Erik | I've been exposed to a lot more cultural knowledge, but I think an awful lot has been lost |
| 21:36.25 | ``Erik | I mean, y'know, ada lovelace... can I go from banging rocks to what she was doing? |
| 21:36.29 | ``Erik | or turing? or ... |
| 21:36.40 | ``Erik | it'd be an interesting experiment |
| 21:37.10 | ``Erik | and I'm all over crap like ö |
| 21:37.19 | ``Erik | http://primitiveways.com/ |
| 21:39.28 | madant | ``Erik, Turing unlikely :D but then again information in hindsight is .. |
| 21:40.23 | madant | i think reaching roughly 1700 to 1800 will be ok ok .. after that even methods of production become so specialized etc. |
| 21:40.42 | Malyce | You know the shoes that Oetzi the iceman wore ? |
| 21:40.44 | ``Erik | allz I gotta do is find ahardware store with a stock of inifinte tape rolls |
| 21:40.55 | ``Erik | otzi, in the alps |
| 21:40.59 | Malyce | some shoe company tried to buy and copyright the designs |
| 21:41.08 | ``Erik | had an arrow head in his hip, right? |
| 21:41.10 | Malyce | yes |
| 21:41.32 | ``Erik | iirc, his belt had a hidden pocket |
| 21:41.41 | ``Erik | big news in the archeology community |
| 21:41.57 | Malyce | a czech company |
| 21:41.58 | ``Erik | around 3k old and had his skin on him |
| 21:42.21 | ``Erik | some german tourists saw him, cops thought he was a recent murder |
| 21:42.42 | Malyce | lots of ppl tried to say they saw him first |
| 21:42.57 | Malyce | there was even a woman who claimed she spit on him when she saw him first |
| 21:43.12 | Malyce | so that her DNA could be verified to show that she 'discovered' him |
| 21:43.26 | Malyce | so far DNA analysis: 'inconclusive' |
| 21:43.26 | ``Erik | yeah, I know the story :) there were a couple pete bog bodies that got similar attention up in ireland or so |
| 21:43.41 | Malyce | The poor bastard |
| 21:43.52 | Malyce | he was pretty f****d up |
| 21:43.59 | ``Erik | but otzi is one of the oldest |
| 21:44.01 | Malyce | what a way to die |
| 21:44.23 | Malyce | apparently he was attacked more than once |
| 21:44.30 | ``Erik | best I grok, he was pissing folk off, they chased him, shot an arrow in him, he ended up stopping in the snow after a while |
| 21:44.44 | ``Erik | one theory is that he was part of a group and they ditched him |
| 21:44.58 | ``Erik | had a copper axe I think |
| 21:45.09 | ``Erik | pricy blingy at the time |
| 21:45.12 | Malyce | he was all cut up |
| 21:45.20 | Malyce | and had blunt trauma |
| 21:45.32 | Malyce | and was shot with an arrow that hit somewhere vital |
| 21:45.44 | Malyce | shoulder |
| 21:45.49 | ``Erik | hm, I recall that he was beaten up a bit, but was it was the arrow in the hip that put him dow |
| 21:45.50 | ``Erik | n |
| 21:45.58 | ``Erik | thought it was the hip, I may misrecall |
| 21:46.00 | Malyce | but, would have died even with modern medical aid |
| 21:46.07 | Malyce | shoulder |
| 21:46.13 | Malyce | so says the almighty wiki |
| 21:46.17 | ``Erik | aight |
| 21:46.29 | ``Erik | I"m working on memory from papers, not the almighty wiki |
| 21:46.38 | ``Erik | ötzi I thought |
| 21:46.44 | ``Erik | named after the mountain |
| 21:46.53 | Malyce | apparently he also had companions |
| 21:47.03 | Malyce | Oetzal alps |
| 21:47.06 | ``Erik | *point* said that |
| 21:47.30 | ``Erik | whci'd be ötzal in german :) |
| 21:47.40 | Malyce | yes |
| 21:47.57 | ``Erik | german tourists found him, right? |
| 21:48.00 | Malyce | I am only saying Oetz because I have switched my keyboard to english |
| 21:48.10 | Malyce | allegedly |
| 21:48.10 | ``Erik | there was a stink between germany and switzerland about him |
| 21:49.04 | Malyce | but the dude was pretty well equipped |
| 21:49.07 | ``Erik | um ummmm, have you read about the jutland disc? um, copper and gold, looks like a 5k old astronomy table? |
| 21:49.10 | Malyce | had a lot of gear on him |
| 21:49.25 | ``Erik | he had bone and leather gear and an un-shafted copper axehead |
| 21:49.26 | Malyce | not |
| 21:49.27 | Malyce | yet |
| 21:49.35 | Malyce | and flint |
| 21:49.43 | Malyce | and lots of nice little trinkets |
| 21:49.49 | ``Erik | yeah, flint and uh, moss in his belt pocket |
| 21:49.52 | Malyce | including many different kinds of moss |
| 21:50.11 | Malyce | he had nice clothes to go |
| 21:50.15 | ``Erik | the notion of a belt pocket was huge |
| 21:50.40 | Malyce | the wiki is empty on 'jutland disc' |
| 21:50.40 | ``Erik | that he had moss and flint and iron, kinda twisted the community :) |
| 21:50.44 | ``Erik | um |
| 21:50.48 | ``Erik | I'll find it, hold up |
| 21:52.18 | ``Erik | fuck mighttake me some time |
| 21:53.52 | ``Erik | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__Xy7sukjiYU/SYMV9NI0P2I/AAAAAAAAALA/IDk1DKG7WHc/s320/xin_5007032416365151425951.jpg comes up and is nice, but not what I'm thinkin' of |
| 21:54.43 | ``Erik | http://www.cyberia.org.uk/thedisk.html |
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| 21:56.27 | Ralith|trip | so, everyone get their apps in? |
| 21:57.20 | Malyce | what is unique about this disk ? |
| 21:57.38 | Malyce | I woulda thought lots of roman stuff would have been found |
| 21:57.46 | ``Erik | 14 apps |
| 21:58.24 | ``Erik | malyce: it's far older than roman stuff, and provides insanely accurate astronomical info, like, unmatched until 1600 or so |
| 21:59.01 | Malyce | It shows the big dipper, sun, crescent moon and a couple of boats |
| 21:59.11 | Malyce | how is that accurate astronomical info ? |
| 21:59.12 | ``Erik | there's transit info on it |
| 21:59.15 | ``Erik | supposedly |
| 21:59.26 | Malyce | although I know that the Egyptians were into that kinda stuff |
| 21:59.29 | ``Erik | that ignores the heliocentric fallacy, etc |
| 21:59.30 | Malyce | transit info ? |
| 21:59.37 | Malyce | oh hell |
| 21:59.39 | Malyce | you are right |
| 21:59.44 | Malyce | why didn't I think of that |
| 22:00.07 | Malyce | so, just heliocentricity ? anything else ? |
| 22:00.17 | ``Erik | those dang weirdos dancing around fires and shit before good old roman culture, they knew what they were doin' |
| 22:00.22 | Ralith|trip | lol |
| 22:00.38 | Malyce | anything else except heliocentricity ? |
| 22:00.45 | madant | Malyce, i think probably correct relative location of stars of the big dipper etc. ? |
| 22:00.52 | ``Erik | they had mapped correct keppler orbits, dude |
| 22:01.12 | Malyce | there is nothing about the position of the stars |
| 22:01.15 | ``Erik | they made the jump to say that the earth orbits the sun |
| 22:01.17 | Malyce | even I can tell its wrong |
| 22:01.28 | Malyce | but kepler orbits |
| 22:01.35 | Malyce | and heliocentricity |
| 22:01.38 | ``Erik | I'm assuming the translations I've read are right |
| 22:01.47 | Malyce | the big dipper seems wrong |
| 22:01.50 | Malyce | for sure |
| 22:02.11 | ``Erik | my impression is that these dudes had an accurate summary of the solar system long before copernicus and them |
| 22:02.15 | Malyce | but how the kepler orbits ? |
| 22:02.35 | Malyce | that implies ellipses, not circles if I remember |
| 22:02.37 | ``Erik | the addon side bars are supposed to be the formulas |
| 22:02.46 | ``Erik | it went through like 4 revisions |
| 22:02.46 | Malyce | the boats ? |
| 22:03.27 | ``Erik | *shrug* it's a neat artifact :() |
| 22:03.28 | ``Erik | :) |
| 22:04.02 | Malyce | hmmm.... must find out more |
| 22:04.33 | Malyce | I would have thought that all the banging by those roman troops would have made the damn thing anything, but precise |
| 22:04.48 | Malyce | but, cool |
| 22:04.49 | ``Erik | ´this was way before the roman conquest of the area, supposedly |
| 22:05.03 | ``Erik | like, 1k years before |
| 22:05.13 | ``Erik | northern touton area |
| 22:05.16 | ``Erik | iirc |
| 22:05.50 | ``Erik | rome was busy getting their asses kicked by the greeks and the esquatarions at that time |
| 22:06.42 | Malyce | my deep and extensive knowledge of the roman empire |
| 22:06.48 | Malyce | comes from AOE I and II |
| 22:06.51 | Malyce | :D |
| 22:07.05 | Malyce | plus the expansions of cours |
| 22:07.18 | ``Erik | hehehe, they got the butts kicked bigtime for a long assed time |
| 22:07.24 | ``Erik | probably what made 'em so aggressive |
| 22:07.45 | ``Erik | then they went to fiat money and went all insane on expansionism, got slaughtered in the end |
| 22:08.07 | Malyce | they had their fun in the sun |
| 22:08.20 | ``Erik | oh, they had a hell of a run, they were the shit |
| 22:08.37 | Malyce | only beaten so far by the Mongols |
| 22:08.38 | ``Erik | but they went all empire and fucked shit up, couldn't sustain it |
| 22:08.51 | Malyce | Mongols rule |
| 22:08.54 | ``Erik | the mongols were an annoyance, just like the carthegans |
| 22:09.07 | Malyce | they were more than an annoyance |
| 22:09.17 | ``Erik | it was over-extending taht brough them down |
| 22:09.40 | Malyce | they were to the barbarians who settled in the ruins of the roman empire, what the barbarians were to the roman empire |
| 22:09.41 | ``Erik | hannibal fucking shredded them, but ended up limping back home and getting executed |
| 22:09.59 | ``Erik | the mongols got turf, but *shrug* they didn't kncok the might romans down, they just annoyed 'em |
| 22:10.16 | ``Erik | fucking hannibal took rome! but rome won the war |
| 22:10.35 | Malyce | why did the huns turn back ? |
| 22:10.49 | Malyce | ahh yes, attilla had a conversation with the pope |
| 22:11.02 | Malyce | but those weren't the mongols |
| 22:11.13 | ``Erik | iirc, they worked out deals and had insuffient stuff to continue the campaign |
| 22:11.16 | Malyce | the mongols came much later, when rome had been destroyed |
| 22:11.40 | Malyce | they came after germany and poland were somewhat in existence i think |
| 22:11.43 | ``Erik | mongols were way later, western rom was gone, but they did a job on eastern |
| 22:11.45 | Malyce | as kingdoms |
| 22:12.19 | Malyce | have you seen Mulan ? |
| 22:12.30 | ``Erik | no |
| 22:12.38 | Malyce | its a disney movie |
| 22:12.38 | ``Erik | I don't watch movies much |
| 22:12.43 | Malyce | old classic |
| 22:12.56 | Malyce | about how a chinese girl beats back the mongols |
| 22:13.05 | Malyce | I thought the plot was hilarious |
| 22:13.09 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:14.58 | Malyce | I am guessing that you are older than me by about a decade |
| 22:15.06 | ``Erik | heh, probably |
| 22:15.52 | ``Erik | I was at the very first screening of star wars. that help ya? |
| 22:16.14 | Malyce | holy hell |
| 22:16.33 | Malyce | I was at the very first screening of the remastered version |
| 22:16.36 | Malyce | :D |
| 22:16.52 | ``Erik | heh :( '77, i was there, man |
| 22:17.04 | ``Erik | I WAS THERE!!!! </60's nam vet hippy> |
| 22:17.11 | Malyce | haha |
| 22:17.18 | Malyce | that puts you at two decades then |
| 22:17.27 | Malyce | but you said you were a kid in 85 |
| 22:17.35 | ``Erik | I was young |
| 22:17.43 | ``Erik | was in diapers in 77 |
| 22:17.54 | Malyce | ok, that fixes it |
| 22:17.59 | Malyce | slightly over a decade |
| 22:18.01 | ``Erik | :) |
| 22:18.03 | ``Erik | 32 |
| 22:18.10 | Malyce | yes |
| 22:18.26 | Malyce | but gives you bragging rights |
| 22:18.38 | Malyce | wait, what were you doing watching SW in diapers ? |
| 22:19.41 | ``Erik | my parents are geeks, they took me |
| 22:19.50 | Malyce | and you remember ?? |
| 22:19.55 | ``Erik | of course nto! |
| 22:19.58 | Malyce | wow you have good memory |
| 22:20.00 | Malyce | huh ? |
| 22:20.10 | ``Erik | but, y'know, they said it, and, it's a hell of a braggin' line |
| 22:20.45 | Malyce | haha |
| 22:22.07 | ``Erik | WANT MY CAR BAKC!`#!~@ |
| 22:26.02 | bjorkintosh | what did you do to it? |
| 22:26.27 | ``Erik | bumped a curb |
| 22:27.05 | ``Erik | rental trash nd my pickup woulda just bounced, the m3 destroyed itself :( |
| 22:27.05 | brlcad | mafm: but still a devil nonetheless muahaha |
| 22:29.18 | Malyce | brlcad: he meant you were the bigger devil |
| 22:29.53 | mafm | brlcad: reading your post |
| 22:30.05 | mafm | madant: post alert, this time it's Teh Sean for real :) |
| 22:34.27 | mafm | brlcad: good post, btw |
| 22:35.08 | mafm | ``Erik: what's your car? |
| 22:36.18 | Ralith|trip | mafm: what was that site you had w/ the mailing list archives? |
| 22:37.16 | mafm | Ralith|trip: ml archives? dunno what you're talking about :) |
| 22:45.43 | madant | mafm: thanks .. nice read |
| 22:46.15 | madant | brlcad: awesome post :) i especially like "egregiously presumptuous" :P |
| 22:51.24 | Ralith|trip | mafm: well what post are you talking about |
| 22:52.19 | mafm | ah... gsoc discuss |
| 22:52.54 | mafm | Ralith|trip: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/c5ce50861adfdd74?hl=en |
| 22:53.09 | Ralith|trip | ah, ty |
| 22:53.30 | madant | hmm.. 7742 members wow :) |
| 23:02.08 | Ralith|trip | hm. Anyone know where to find docs/tips on bit-packing? |
| 23:11.57 | mafm | nope |
| 23:13.25 | Ralith|trip | :/ |
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| 23:59.24 | mafm | night |
| 00:18.02 | brlcad | madant: anderson can be quite a rude asshole if he's not kept in check (and that's not my job, but he was out of line, imho) |
| 00:18.27 | brlcad | mafm, thx |
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| 00:26.53 | Malyce | hey brl |
| 00:27.07 | Malyce | I was studying the examples for the primitives |
| 00:27.10 | Malyce | arb8 |
| 00:27.46 | Malyce | It seems to me, that the .cpp file, ie. the core extension offers very little as an API |
| 00:27.53 | Malyce | arb8.cpp |
| 00:28.20 | Malyce | it lets you basically create the arb and access the vertice data |
| 00:28.33 | Malyce | while the older c file seemed to provide much more function |
| 00:28.39 | Malyce | like centroid |
| 00:28.47 | Malyce | for example |
| 00:28.59 | Malyce | centroid of the arb |
| 00:29.19 | Malyce | I was wondering whether this was the intention, or whether this was still a WIP |
| 00:30.08 | ``Erik | mafm: e46 m3 :) |
| 00:30.12 | Malyce | since, I still haven't got a reply to my last mail to the mailing list, I wasn't sure how long it will take my question to get answered by Mr.Rossberg |
| 00:30.55 | brlcad | WIP |
| 00:31.01 | Malyce | there are not as many comments in the cpp file, as there are in the older c file, so I can't tell |
| 00:31.02 | Malyce | oh |
| 00:31.14 | brlcad | Malyce: with any message to the mailing list, you have to wait a couple days |
| 00:31.19 | Malyce | so the extension that I make can be a similar WIP ? |
| 00:31.22 | brlcad | many of the devs don't work/communicate on the weekend |
| 00:31.30 | Malyce | I can understand that |
| 00:31.32 | brlcad | many others don't work/communicate during the week |
| 00:31.40 | Malyce | though it doesn't bode well for me |
| 00:31.57 | ``Erik | :) |
| 00:32.11 | Malyce | but I am guessing that me creating a similar WIP would then suffice |
| 00:35.26 | ``Erik | what are you looking for? |
| 00:36.50 | Malyce | me ? |
| 00:36.58 | Malyce | creating code for GSCOC |
| 00:37.32 | Malyce | I was just understanding how Mr.Rossberg implemented primitives so far |
| 00:39.36 | Malyce | well, goodnight for now |
| 01:01.54 | starseeker | is still grooving out on REDUCE becoming FOSS |
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| 02:23.39 | madant | brlcad: huh ? ( didn't get the comment about anderson :) ) |
| 02:24.16 | madant | on an unconnected note :) i am called a rude asshole by a lot of people :D |
| 02:26.12 | madant | brlcad: ah David Anderson :) only read the whole thread now :D |
| 02:34.13 | andrecastelo | hi cadheads :) |
| 02:36.23 | madant | heh.. we have yukonbob2.0 now :P |
| 02:46.55 | andrecastelo | brlcad: saw your mails to the gsoc list, and i liked it very much heheh |
| 02:47.00 | andrecastelo | s/mails/mail |
| 05:19.53 | starseeker | ah, nuts - openmoko is discontinued |
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| 17:06.48 | typ0 | I still can't run mged in Mac Leopard PPC |
| 17:07.11 | typ0 | crashes in DisplayWidth() in X_open_dm from dm-X.c |
| 17:08.09 | typ0 | i tried a simple xtest.c program to test XOpenDisplay() and DisplayWidth() after, and everything went fine |
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| 17:24.21 | Malyce | hiya |
| 17:24.25 | Malyce | I had a thought |
| 17:24.50 | Malyce | brlcad doesn't have some higher primitives like lofts or sweeps |
| 17:25.03 | Malyce | and such |
| 17:25.46 | Malyce | Since the people I was working with are basically trying to create point clouds of these structures in Haskell |
| 17:25.59 | Malyce | using model params I extract from Solidworks |
| 17:26.21 | Malyce | and since, my employers are a research institute, its all open source |
| 17:26.49 | Malyce | You guys might find the stuff useful, once we are done |
| 17:27.04 | brlcad | typ0: is x11 running? did you compile with/without ogl enabled? |
| 17:27.11 | Malyce | although right now, we are only starting on splines |
| 17:27.17 | Malyce | no |
| 17:27.24 | Malyce | oops sorry |
| 17:27.26 | brlcad | Malyce: there are a couple higher-level primitives, extrusions and pipes (limited sweeps) |
| 17:27.38 | Malyce | yes, I saw pipes |
| 17:27.54 | Malyce | We have covered extrusions already |
| 17:27.59 | Malyce | but so have oyu |
| 17:28.00 | Malyce | you |
| 17:28.13 | Malyce | plus we are working in Haskell |
| 17:28.27 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be a problem |
| 17:28.29 | Malyce | but I guess, it would help in understanding the final solid |
| 17:28.34 | brlcad | our core libs are C for a variety of reasons |
| 17:28.40 | Malyce | since we only care about the point clouds |
| 17:28.52 | brlcad | we also have a new point cloud primitive ;) |
| 17:29.13 | Malyce | no, I meant not as a primitive |
| 17:29.39 | Malyce | the purpose of my research was to get mathematical representations from CAD software |
| 17:30.06 | Malyce | so once we cover Lofts et al, the documentation from our project might come in handy |
| 17:30.19 | Malyce | just as a math basis |
| 17:30.57 | Malyce | or maybe that is already too trivial, since ppl working with BRL seem to have a lot of industry experience |
| 17:31.34 | Malyce | so they might already know the ins and outs of the math representations already |
| 17:31.48 | Malyce | of the primitives that is |
| 17:31.53 | Malyce | just a thought |
| 17:36.42 | brlcad | Malyce: for what it's worth, we don't have a LOT of features not for lack of wanting those features or even lack of knowledge on how to implement those features or for not thinking about said features |
| 17:37.10 | brlcad | there is simply just limited manpower and specific priorities, so it's up to those contributing |
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| 17:59.54 | brlcad | so yeah, it'd be great to have those features .. just need someone like yourself to implement them ;) |
| 18:06.57 | Malyce | actually that's not a bad idea |
| 18:07.18 | Malyce | because I suspect I might be done with my primary goal pretty fast |
| 18:07.37 | typ0 | brlcad: i don't know, i just did the autogen.sh && ./configure && make && make install |
| 18:07.41 | Malyce | so I could attempt to add a new primitive as well |
| 18:07.53 | typ0 | is there a way to know from the build result if ogl is enabled ? |
| 18:07.58 | typ0 | and i have X11 running |
| 18:08.33 | brlcad | typ0: type fbhelp |
| 18:09.29 | typ0 | my DISPLAY env var is set to "/tmp/launch-2P5H3l/:0" |
| 18:09.46 | typ0 | fbhelp launches a black window, and in the terminal there's no references to opengl |
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| 18:59.22 | typ0 | is it normal to get these warnings in the end of running make: |
| 18:59.24 | typ0 | ranlib: file: .libs/libdm.a(libdm_la-dm-ogl.o) has no symbols |
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| 21:20.25 | *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || GSoC2009 Next Step: we're reviewing applications, preliminary slot count on 7th, selections announced on the 15th | |
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| 23:24.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34155 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 23:24.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: integrate a library tester into the regression suite. would be good to have a |
| 23:24.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: simple dynamic loading tool that will take a built library and compare the |
| 23:24.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: symbols its header says should be there. moreover, we could make sure those |
| 23:24.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: functions will also run (with zero/null arguments) without crashing. quick test |
| 23:24.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: shows that this should be entirely feasible and should uncover a lot of |
| 23:24.50 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: inconsistency cleanup. |
| 23:27.11 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34156 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/ (Makefile.am testlib.c): add a stubbed out library tester. far from complete, but it already is a proof-of-concept for loading a library and loading/testing symbols within that library. |
| 23:31.15 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34157 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/testlib.c: include an example use that tests libbu functions |
| 23:42.25 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34158 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/testlib.c: oop, there's a comment sequence in there |
| 00:07.12 | Malyce | svc co svn://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad-sf |
| 00:07.26 | Malyce | svn: can't connect ot host: Connection refused |
| 00:07.29 | Malyce | to |
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| 00:21.29 | Malyce | what did I do wrong ? |
| 00:21.45 | Ralith|trip | you looked at it funny |
| 00:21.48 | Ralith|trip | we don't allow that around here |
| 00:21.53 | Malyce | rats |
| 00:21.57 | Malyce | I knew it |
| 00:22.21 | Malyce | was my syntax wrong ? |
| 00:22.29 | Malyce | or was it the repo address |
| 00:22.58 | Malyce | syntax |
| 00:23.06 | Malyce | fixed |
| 00:25.07 | Malyce | though, I am not sure why the other one didn't work |
| 00:25.41 | Malyce | svn:// instead of http:// |
| 00:34.04 | brlcad | only certain protocols are allowed |
| 00:34.14 | brlcad | have to follow the checkout instructions ;) |
| 00:40.41 | Malyce | and where can I read these instructions |
| 00:41.00 | Malyce | ? |
| 00:43.04 | Malyce | are these SF specific or do you mean general unix syntax ? |
| 00:46.24 | brlcad | Malyce: even the general sf instructions say to use http/https instead of svn |
| 00:47.12 | Malyce | again, where are these instructions ? |
| 00:47.30 | Malyce | on the SF main page, there is news about new project. There is a help button at the bottom |
| 00:47.38 | Malyce | but the help is pretty useless |
| 00:47.42 | brlcad | Malyce: have you looked? |
| 00:48.13 | Ralith|trip | the new layout does make it kind of hard to find if you don't know where to look |
| 00:48.52 | Malyce | I tried the first time I tried to checkout from XP |
| 00:48.53 | brlcad | Ralith|trip: i'm not talking about hunting around the repo -- there are docs on our site and on sf.net that say exactly what to use |
| 00:49.23 | brlcad | i mean, if you even put "brl-cad svn" into google, it's in the top results |
| 00:49.32 | Ralith|trip | I was referring to the docs on source forge |
| 00:49.33 | brlcad | hence my question of whether he even looked |
| 00:49.42 | Ralith|trip | didn't know it was that googleable, though |
| 00:49.59 | Malyce | I did look into the SF page, but I didn't google that |
| 00:50.06 | Ralith|trip | always google |
| 00:50.14 | Malyce | then someone told me the repo address |
| 00:50.19 | Malyce | Erik |
| 00:50.21 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Building_from_SVN is the page, under our Documentation |
| 00:50.23 | Malyce | and it worked |
| 00:50.31 | brlcad | and it's been said here too :) |
| 00:50.33 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 00:50.34 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 00:50.52 | Malyce | is this an IRC service ? |
| 00:51.04 | brlcad | so... someone told you here.. don't you have logs? |
| 00:52.33 | Malyce | Erik |
| 00:52.57 | brlcad | what about him? |
| 00:53.03 | madant | hmm.. another great morning :) |
| 00:53.09 | brlcad | howdy madant |
| 00:53.12 | pacman87 | hi madant |
| 00:53.17 | Malyce | he gave me the url |
| 00:53.34 | Ralith|trip | tries to work out how to bit-pack floats given min, max, and desired precision values |
| 00:53.45 | madant | hi all :) just heading out to town . |
| 00:53.47 | Malyce | but i used it inside windows the first time, so i didn't have the svn:/https: problem |
| 00:53.52 | brlcad | Malyce, yes, you already said that.. :) I presume over IRC? don't you have logs? |
| 00:54.01 | Malyce | I should pay more attention to the brl-wiki |
| 00:54.07 | Malyce | I checked |
| 00:54.47 | Malyce | is it possible to also read the backlog when I am not on the channel ? |
| 00:54.55 | brlcad | ~logs |
| 00:54.56 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 00:55.15 | brlcad | it's generally better to stay on the channel, though, like via a screen session |
| 00:55.38 | brlcad | with irc hilight history over a screen session, you're always on irc and can review logs/history/hilight |
| 00:56.28 | brlcad | i'm sure there are tutorials on the web, but basically running screen+irssi or simply leaving an irc client running and just using /away while minimizing as an alternative to screen |
| 00:56.52 | Malyce | I am always on IRC unless I am offline |
| 00:57.15 | Malyce | so, to read the backlog, I'll go to ibot |
| 00:57.37 | Malyce | I thought you meant the IRC client logs |
| 00:57.39 | Malyce | heh |
| 00:57.56 | pacman87 | I log IRC chats through my client |
| 00:58.09 | Ralith|trip | doesn't everyone? |
| 00:58.30 | Malyce | its auto with mIRC |
| 00:59.05 | brlcad | Malyce: many are *always* on IRC even when offline, that's part of the beauty of screen |
| 00:59.28 | Malyce | how so ? |
| 00:59.40 | brlcad | and I was referring to *your* irc logs earlier, but there are also general channel logs |
| 00:59.59 | Malyce | you mean the url you gave just now ? |
| 01:00.18 | brlcad | those would be the general channel logs |
| 01:00.28 | brlcad | the one that ibot mentioned are the general logs |
| 01:00.41 | Malyce | what is ibot ? |
| 01:00.54 | Malyce | just a channel bot ? |
| 01:00.54 | brlcad | an irc bot with lots of factoids |
| 01:01.11 | Malyce | so, you invoked it ? |
| 01:01.12 | brlcad | a multiple-channel bot, hundreds of channels |
| 01:01.21 | brlcad | no |
| 01:01.46 | Malyce | when does it provide info ? |
| 01:01.53 | brlcad | when you ask it? |
| 01:02.25 | brlcad | Malyce: I take it you're very new to IRC? |
| 01:02.28 | Malyce | i didn't ask it anything, did you ? |
| 01:02.31 | Malyce | very very new |
| 01:02.57 | Malyce | I knew about bot's from the Basshunter song |
| 01:03.01 | Malyce | Boten Anna |
| 01:03.07 | brlcad | you get ibot's attention with ~ or with its name prefixed to the line |
| 01:03.08 | Malyce | then did some wiki reading |
| 01:03.25 | Malyce | cool |
| 01:03.34 | brlcad | the bot has various tidbits of information, humor, actions, and other services it provides |
| 01:03.35 | Malyce | ~what's up |
| 01:03.36 | ibot | Up is the direction away from the central point of gravity. |
| 01:03.43 | Malyce | ahahahahaha |
| 01:03.58 | Malyce | this is so cooooool |
| 01:04.41 | brlcad | it can be very useful and entertaining, but try to keep the public usage tamed -- you can talk to it in private or in #botpark if you want to "play" |
| 01:04.56 | Malyce | I have a new friend now |
| 01:04.58 | Malyce | :D |
| 01:05.19 | brlcad | ~malyce is very very new to IRC, but learning quickly |
| 01:05.20 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 01:05.37 | brlcad | ibot: malyce? |
| 01:05.38 | ibot | i heard malyce is very very new to IRC, but learning quickly |
| 01:05.41 | Ralith|trip | wow |
| 01:05.59 | Ralith|trip | ##c++ is full |
| 01:06.06 | brlcad | "full"? |
| 01:06.13 | Ralith|trip | or under attack, or something? |
| 01:06.16 | Ralith|trip | I got shunted to overflow |
| 01:06.21 | pacman87 | bouncers at the door? |
| 01:06.27 | Ralith|trip | prety much |
| 01:06.29 | Ralith|trip | pretty* |
| 01:06.32 | brlcad | Ralith|trip: I got in just fine |
| 01:06.37 | Ralith|trip | hm. |
| 01:06.44 | Ralith|trip | probably filtering unregistered users |
| 01:06.53 | Ralith|trip | gives Ralith a sidelong look |
| 01:07.27 | Ralith|trip | more likely, filtering mibbit users |
| 01:07.41 | Ralith|trip | oh well. |
| 01:08.18 | brlcad | you're not identified |
| 01:08.44 | Ralith|trip | hmm |
| 01:08.49 | brlcad | don't remember my modes, but pretty sure one of the modes (+Pcflnrt #overflow 777) means kick you to overflow |
| 01:09.03 | Ralith_ | yay |
| 01:09.18 | Ralith_ | victory |
| 01:13.20 | brlcad | yukonbob: request pending for you |
| 01:13.24 | brlcad | poolio: you too, pending request |
| 01:20.04 | poolio | brlcad: gsoc stuffs? |
| 01:20.45 | brlcad | yes |
| 01:20.49 | brlcad | poolio: are you on the devel list? |
| 01:21.00 | brlcad | sending out a gsoc e-mail |
| 01:21.41 | Ralith_ | oo |
| 01:24.18 | brlcad | anyone who has already submitted an application -- do you get an e-mail notification if a comment is posted? |
| 01:25.31 | Ralith_ | I don't think I've had any comments posted. |
| 01:25.37 | Ralith_ | didn't yesterday, anyway |
| 01:25.39 | Ralith_ | rechecks |
| 01:26.48 | Ralith_ | there's a 'subscribe to updates button,' suggesting that such a thing might be opt in |
| 01:27.01 | brlcad | okay, that's good to know |
| 01:27.19 | brlcad | mentors get two buttons (one for public, another for private) |
| 01:27.21 | Ralith_ | it's not clear whether that means notify on edits, comments, or both |
| 01:27.28 | brlcad | tediously had to subscribe to everything |
| 01:33.40 | Ralith_ | wonders how long it takes the mailing list to get stuff out |
| 01:36.10 | poolio | brlcad: woops, I wasn't :) |
| 01:36.14 | brlcad | i've seen anywhere from less than a minute to the next day |
| 01:36.24 | brlcad | poolio: ah, okay |
| 01:36.26 | brlcad | thought so |
| 01:36.31 | brlcad | removes poolio from the CC line |
| 01:36.47 | Ralith_ | the next day? O.o |
| 01:36.52 | poolio | I just subscribed to it though |
| 01:37.16 | Ralith_ | I guess I shouldn't bother eagerly spamming refresh on gmail. |
| 01:37.53 | brlcad | usually within 5 minutes |
| 01:41.18 | brlcad | cool, gives an e-mail and a count |
| 01:41.33 | brlcad | this is gonna be a flurcking ton of e-mail... |
| 01:43.47 | poolio | brlcad: err, what's going on? |
| 01:43.56 | brlcad | hm? |
| 01:44.19 | brlcad | poolio: i was just drafting up a message about gsoc to the list, making sure all the mentors are included |
| 01:44.35 | poolio | ah cool cool |
| 01:44.58 | brlcad | poolio: you still have to confirm on socghop site too |
| 01:45.37 | poolio | yeah I know, I'm filling out the forms now |
| 01:45.41 | brlcad | it's a silly 3-way ping-pong |
| 01:45.45 | Ralith_ | confirm? |
| 01:45.52 | Ralith_ | poolio's mentoring? |
| 01:46.19 | brlcad | always good to have backup mentors |
| 01:46.29 | Ralith_ | cool |
| 01:46.52 | brlcad | anyone that's not a student could conceivably be a mentor, *especially* if they have already worked with the code |
| 01:47.06 | brlcad | but even that is technically not requisite.. depends on the student/project/org |
| 01:51.08 | poolio | brlcad: I think I'm done...? |
| 01:51.13 | poolio | Ralith_: Yep :) |
| 01:52.17 | Ralith_ | heads off |
| 01:52.19 | Ralith_ | back home tomorrow. |
| 01:54.54 | poolio | brlcad: do you know how many slots we have yet? |
| 02:00.28 | brlcad | preliminary slots will be on tuesday iirc |
| 02:00.41 | brlcad | but we're not taking more than 5 regardless |
| 02:00.53 | brlcad | and technically as few as 1 |
| 02:08.16 | dreeves | brlcad I have an image of the simple brep I was wondering if you had a minute to look and tell me if it looks correct? |
| 02:15.18 | dreeves | I emailed and image to you |
| 02:17.12 | brlcad | okay |
| 02:48.35 | brlcad | dreeves: test case in what regard? |
| 02:48.55 | brlcad | is that one of the breps made from one of the proc-db tools? |
| 02:49.18 | brlcad | and what do you mean by "this is using the utah code"? |
| 02:50.43 | dreeves | yes it is brep_simple from the proc-db |
| 02:52.01 | dreeves | the utah code is the code written by William Martin from University of Utah |
| 02:52.28 | brlcad | i'm familiar with the project |
| 02:52.53 | dreeves | I just didn't know if I had a good test case or not |
| 02:53.04 | brlcad | so you made a brep using brep_simple, then exported that out to whatever they're taking as input? |
| 02:53.24 | brlcad | brep_simple is certainly a starting point |
| 02:53.30 | dreeves | No I pulled the source into librt |
| 02:53.30 | brlcad | or breplicator's cube |
| 02:53.54 | brlcad | so you hooked into _shot() and _prep() to hand off to their code? |
| 02:54.00 | dreeves | Yeah I tried that one to and it looked good |
| 02:54.34 | brlcad | how are you using their code? |
| 02:54.52 | dreeves | More as a reference than anything |
| 02:55.16 | dreeves | I just replaced brep_intersect with their code |
| 02:55.50 | dreeves | I'm still using everything outside that |
| 02:56.05 | dreeves | So did you say it looked right? |
| 02:56.32 | brlcad | no, it's not right, but it looks good |
| 02:57.12 | dreeves | Yeah that is what I thought...So what's the main thing that is wrong? |
| 02:57.32 | brlcad | there's errors on the back side |
| 02:57.46 | brlcad | that could the the additional parity work that brep_shot() does after brep_intersect() |
| 02:58.24 | brlcad | if their tracer is robust, much of that may even simplify |
| 02:58.28 | dreeves | Are you talking about what looks like the little dots |
| 02:58.43 | brlcad | right |
| 02:58.46 | dreeves | ok |
| 02:58.54 | dreeves | Yeah I noticed that |
| 02:59.07 | brlcad | there are various edge cases that have to be accounted for |
| 02:59.46 | dreeves | Yeah let me go take a look at that |
| 02:59.46 | brlcad | where any two surfaces join, where trimmings join, grazing tangentially to a surface, going through a corner, going through multiple corner/edges, etc |
| 03:00.01 | brlcad | I'd start by simplifying brep_shot() |
| 03:00.19 | brlcad | you should also probably be working on a branch so your changes can be tracked/seen/shared |
| 03:00.21 | dreeves | Yeah that is what I'm going to take a look at |
| 03:01.46 | dreeves | sure |
| 03:03.45 | brlcad | you could start by checking the a_onehit flag in shot() -- if that is set, you only need to know the first/surface hit and can return quickly |
| 03:03.52 | brlcad | that will give better optical renderings |
| 03:04.02 | brlcad | then if a_onehit is not set, return all hit segments |
| 03:04.19 | brlcad | where you'll need to know when you go in/out through the solid |
| 03:04.51 | brlcad | that skewed cube is a good example because you can get two segments if you shoot through that tip and through the main body |
| 03:05.31 | yukonbob | reads scrollback |
| 03:07.44 | dreeves | ok I will play around with it |
| 03:12.44 | brlcad | dreeves: okay, you have commit access |
| 03:12.49 | brlcad | be sure to read HACKING in detail if you've not already (particularly with respect to commit acces and responsibility) |
| 03:13.16 | brlcad | suggest you commit as you work to a branch for now for that thread of work |
| 03:13.37 | brlcad | maybe /svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/branches/utah_brep or something |
| 03:14.33 | starseeker | gets REDUCE (sort of) working - yet again Emacs is the default interface :-/ |
| 03:18.10 | dreeves | ok brlcad I will commit soon |
| 03:18.56 | starseeker | When you stop and think, it really is incredible how much mathematical crunching power can be downloaded for free these days :-) |
| 03:25.49 | brlcad | starseeker: you've made the same mistakes I've been making |
| 03:25.54 | brlcad | have to repost your comments |
| 03:25.58 | brlcad | they're private by default |
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| 03:36.03 | brlcad | dreeves: shared your image with the mailing list |
| 03:36.15 | dreeves | cool |
| 03:36.34 | dreeves | Maybe I should get on the mailing list |
| 03:41.08 | brlcad | dreeves: on second thought, forget using a branch -- just work on trunk for now |
| 03:41.26 | brlcad | we can work out what to do about a conflict when one arises |
| 03:41.51 | brlcad | in the meantime, maybe just have #ifdef sections for old/new |
| 03:42.23 | dreeves | Yeah I'm trying to be careful to minimize the existing code I touch for now....once things look right I will clean up |
| 03:42.24 | brlcad | brep is all WIP so it's not subject to controls beyond what we need to collaborate, so might as well use trunk |
| 03:42.54 | dreeves | Hey how do I get on the mailing list I know I have seen it somewhere but I can't find it now |
| 03:42.56 | brlcad | plus this is priority, and i'm frankly surprised that you got it working that easily |
| 03:43.17 | brlcad | i'm like 80% sure that acne you saw is probably a bug in the existing code |
| 03:44.00 | dreeves | Yeah I still have more to do in the trimming department there |
| 03:44.20 | dreeves | I think I know what is going on with the acne problem |
| 03:44.39 | dreeves | First things first is to clean up trimming |
| 03:52.07 | poolio | dreeves: purty image :D |
| 03:52.11 | brlcad | i'm actually not convinced that's trimming |
| 03:52.48 | brlcad | those are outer-trim surfaces where the trims match the edges (i.e. nothing to trim) |
| 03:53.07 | brlcad | that's why it's 80% that it's something on our existing side |
| 03:53.14 | brlcad | i.e. in the parity checking |
| 03:53.53 | brlcad | either point collapse/merging or it really is missing both surfaces numerically |
| 03:54.36 | brlcad | and please do commit asap, would like to test this out as well :) |
| 04:01.41 | dreeves | Ok I will |
| 04:01.53 | dreeves | So how do I get on the mailing list? |
| 04:03.17 | dreeves | nm I found it |
| 04:03.20 | louipc | I think you need to sign up on sourceforge |
| 04:55.24 | starseeker | brlcad: ah, thanks |
| 04:57.16 | starseeker | dreeves: nice work! |
| 04:59.24 | dreeves | thanks |
| 05:00.41 | dreeves | Still issues but I think we are getting closer |
| 05:08.20 | dreeves | brlcad those spots are being caused by the shader...seems like the surface normals are messed up |
| 05:30.29 | dreeves | Ok fixed the spots they were caused because I had my root finder tolerance set too low up'd it and spots went away |
| 05:34.38 | dreeves | brlcad sent you an updated image with spots gone...working on trimming some |
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| 05:55.35 | dreeves | brlcad btw in your message I think you said it lacked some optimizations I assume you are talking about ray/plane optimization, it does have that in it |
| 05:56.11 | dreeves | I will try to commit tomorrow night latest and then you can check it out for yourself |
| 05:56.31 | dreeves | maybe tonight if I get the trimming stuff straightened out |
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| 08:55.53 | brlcad | dreeves: the optimizations I'm thinking of are actually the ones in the 2006 paper that made nurbs raytracing interesting in the first place :0 |
| 08:56.29 | brlcad | using vectorized evaluation and compact representation to get interactive results |
| 08:57.25 | brlcad | given you have something, I'd hope you'd already commit what you have |
| 08:57.42 | brlcad | doesn't need to be complete and tells a better story the more little steps you break it up, even if there are 500 intermediate steps before it "works" |
| 08:58.10 | brlcad | helps others to understand the code by watching the work in progress, mistakes and changes all |
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| 10:56.15 | mafm | hi |
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| 11:44.10 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
| 11:45.18 | mafm | :) |
| 11:45.55 | mafm | -> Today Debian gets one step closer to really becoming 'the universal operating system' by adding two architectures based on the FreeBSD kernel to the unstable archive. |
| 11:46.10 | mafm | One Swirl To Rule Them All. |
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| 13:10.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03ddreeves70 * r34159 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: This is code that works well with the test cube |
| 13:11.19 | dreeves | brlcad I committed but the trimming isn't there and there currently is a hack in it that I think is need because the trimming isn't there I have the code for trimming I believe but haven't had a chance to work on it |
| 13:12.27 | dreeves | brlcad I have my editor settings hopefully set to comply with the rules outlined in the HACKING guide if you spot please let me know |
| 13:13.11 | brlcad | dreeves: cool |
| 13:13.13 | dreeves | also I haven't had a chance to read the rules on committing (well I scanned them). I just scanned through that because I didn't have commit access at the time |
| 13:13.30 | brlcad | rules for committing are pretty simple |
| 13:13.34 | brlcad | don't break stuff |
| 13:13.37 | brlcad | and when you do, fix it ;) |
| 13:13.49 | dreeves | I think I can handle that |
| 13:14.15 | brlcad | consistency updates are always good as are other cleanups through the code -- shouldn't be mixed in with logic changes if you can help it though |
| 13:15.10 | brlcad | you'll find all sorts of styles throughout, it's a bit of an on-going cleanup to make everything consistent but they should minimally be self-consistent within a given file |
| 13:15.27 | dreeves | I will try...but to be honest I usually scan the code right before I commit and I haven't had the chance to do that on this code because I wanted to go ahead and commit |
| 13:15.44 | brlcad | also we work on a monthly iteration cycle for releases, so commits should "slow down" near the end of the month and be more focused on just bug fixes and cleanup or holding until the release is tagged |
| 13:15.53 | dreeves | Yeah I have noticed that |
| 13:16.30 | dreeves | Do you want me to go ahead and commit the code for the extrude or well you still handle that via the patch? |
| 13:16.43 | brlcad | i'll can still handle that |
| 13:16.48 | dreeves | ok |
| 13:17.01 | brlcad | something I wanted to look into with that anyways, let you know if I change my mind :) |
| 13:17.01 | dreeves | Well I'm off to my day job :) |
| 13:17.06 | brlcad | cya! |
| 13:17.08 | brlcad | and thanks |
| 13:17.11 | brlcad | cool progress |
| 13:17.21 | brlcad | oh, last commit 'note' |
| 13:17.28 | brlcad | you can't really commit too frequently |
| 13:17.35 | dreeves | thanks needs work...I did |
| 13:17.37 | brlcad | but you can certainly commit too infrequently |
| 13:17.46 | dreeves | :) |
| 13:19.00 | dreeves | I have 2 issues in the code you that I think once addressed we will be able to handle the complex geometries...One is trims and the other is a big ole fat hack in the shot code |
| 13:19.25 | dreeves | later... |
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| 13:33.52 | _sushi_ | Anyone knows how to force CUPS to print A4 instead of A4 cut off to Letter size? |
| 13:34.08 | _sushi_ | I switched from Letter to A4 in already about 3 different config files and restarted cups and still doesn't work |
| 13:34.24 | _sushi_ | cd /etc |
| 13:35.26 | _sushi_ | replaces all occurences of "Letter" on /dev/hda with "A4" |
| 13:36.54 | _sushi_ | Lol: DefaultPageSize, DefaultPageRegion, DefaultImageableArea, DefaultPaperDimension |
| 13:37.27 | _sushi_ | sets the dimension of all conceivable objects in the Universe to A4 |
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| 15:59.10 | brlcad | comments for most of you on the socghop site |
| 15:59.14 | brlcad | (students) |
| 16:02.52 | pacman87 | goes to check |
| 16:03.19 | hippieindamakin8 | hasnt found any |
| 16:03.34 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: you're one of the few remaining, patience :) |
| 16:03.47 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, sure :) |
| 16:03.52 | starseeker | brlcad: ah, thanks for restating my question |
| 16:03.55 | brlcad | yours was longer and I'm getting fatigue :) |
| 16:04.06 | brlcad | starseeker: just the one, dont' know if there were others |
| 16:04.24 | brlcad | doesn't like the html-enabled comment box .. pastes should be plain-text |
| 16:13.18 | pacman87 | same thing happened to me when i pasted my application |
| 16:20.48 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: fwiw - a lot better than last year, but still a lot of issues to sort out too |
| 16:20.53 | brlcad | let me know if you have any questions |
| 16:22.06 | Malyce | hey brl |
| 16:22.09 | Malyce | read the comment |
| 16:22.12 | brlcad | howdy Malyce |
| 16:22.14 | Malyce | how do i get onto the wiki |
| 16:22.19 | Malyce | do you mean the brl wiki ? |
| 16:23.34 | hippieindamakin8 | runs to look at the comment |
| 16:23.47 | typ0 | brlcad: any comments on the IGES converter ? |
| 16:25.11 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:40.38 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, do i discuss with you out here ? |
| 16:40.59 | hippieindamakin8 | or do i put up a reply out there on melange ? |
| 16:41.10 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: yes |
| 16:42.16 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, the precision computation is worth it for getting the exact vertices and the edges.Though i did propose on simplifying the sturm sequence solving process by approximations |
| 16:42.33 | hippieindamakin8 | ESOLID does it without any approximations. |
| 16:43.44 | hippieindamakin8 | because we need to have the vertices and edges right for the intersections.but again like the paper on ESOLID says some are rendered without this precise computation with a good tolerance |
| 16:44.10 | brlcad | true, though they still take "forever" in comparison :) |
| 16:45.09 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, approximations like formulation of low degree equations for sturm sequences with precise computation is halfway between these two |
| 16:45.23 | hippieindamakin8 | two == ESOLID and BOOLE |
| 16:45.25 | brlcad | basicaly, right almost all the time -> very slow OR right only some of the time -> fast |
| 16:45.42 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, yeah :) |
| 16:46.26 | brlcad | but was boole's "failing" something that could have been solved with better book-keeping or failure detection/recovery on top |
| 16:47.31 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, how is that ? |
| 16:48.48 | hippieindamakin8 | dint get the word book-keeping in this context :| |
| 16:49.06 | brlcad | dreeves: question for when you see this -- curious, what sort of performance difference was there between what is previously/currently implemented and having utah do the eval? |
| 16:49.33 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: keeping track of a graph/stack/tree/whatever of decisions that are made about the topology |
| 16:49.48 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, aah |
| 16:50.22 | brlcad | so you decide A==B and later run into degenerate geometry .. maybe if the tolerance was locally constrained and A!=B it would have worked |
| 16:51.05 | brlcad | keeping track of the topological decisions seems (to me) like a very strong way to have failure recovery while still searching a solution space very quickly with imprecise numerics |
| 16:51.23 | brlcad | you only work harder if you're degenerate or within ambiguous tolerances |
| 16:51.24 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i completely agree with that point |
| 16:51.48 | brlcad | it's just a lot harder to code it that way :) |
| 16:52.05 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, its worth a try aint it ? :) |
| 16:52.25 | hippieindamakin8 | degenerate cases are the worst |
| 16:57.35 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i ll update the application/append another comment on the appspot |
| 17:00.17 | dreeves2 | brlcad I didn't really keep up but seems like the utah was a little faster until I up'd the tolerance (but again this is just feel not by the numbers) |
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| 17:05.04 | dreeves2 | brlcad if you responded to my last comment I didn't see it because I'm having to use the web interface to irc...I need to get irc working from here but haven't taken the time to investigate |
| 17:05.53 | pacman87 | dreeves2: you didn't miss anything |
| 17:06.12 | dreeves2 | did you see my comment about speed? |
| 17:06.55 | pacman87 | dreeves2: brlcad I didn't really keep up but seems like the utah was a little faster until I up'd the tolerance (but again this is just feel not by the numbers) |
| 17:07.54 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: okay |
| 17:08.02 | dreeves2 | thanks that is it |
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| 17:15.28 | brlcad | dreeves2: that's kinda scary actually, because the current implementation is basically dog-slow :) |
| 17:15.36 | brlcad | but certainly workable |
| 17:15.46 | brlcad | if it works, that will be the biggest factor |
| 17:16.52 | brlcad | wanders off for a bit |
| 17:24.58 | dreeves2 | brlcad yeah I'm sure there is a ton of work to optimize and make fast. Like I said I didn't really look at numbers or pay attension. My focus was completely on getting the intersections right. There are several things that I noticed that could speed it up but I want to get it fully functional first then worry about performance |
| 17:25.55 | starseeker | nods vigorously :-) |
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| 18:01.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34160 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Convert bolt man page to docbook |
| 18:23.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34161 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Convert gastank man page to docbook |
| 18:36.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34162 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Convert handle man page to docbook |
| 19:02.10 | brlcad | starseeker: as entire dirs are done being converted, should remove the manpage copies in that dir so we have minimal duplicates to keep updated |
| 19:02.37 | starseeker | brlcad: right |
| 19:02.49 | starseeker | in this case, doing it as I go - that ok? |
| 19:03.13 | starseeker | if fewer commits is better, I can wait |
| 19:03.47 | brlcad | nothing to do with commit count, just more as a progress measure |
| 19:03.55 | starseeker | ah, k |
| 19:03.59 | ``Erik | looks at doc/docbook/system/man1/en/ and src/rt/ O.o |
| 19:04.10 | brlcad | didn't know you were removing as you went -- there are a few in there that haven't been removed iirc |
| 19:04.23 | starseeker | yeah, I need to do a bit of cleanup |
| 19:04.25 | brlcad | (e.g. rtarea came up when richard was working on it) |
| 19:04.31 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:04.41 | brlcad | just don't want to get into an indeterminate state with mixes |
| 19:04.49 | starseeker | I'll pick off the strays once I get through shapes |
| 19:05.11 | brlcad | either dir at a time, or keep 'em in sync so we know what is left to do at a dir/file level |
| 19:05.20 | ``Erik | imagines uninstall would fail right now due to that |
| 19:05.46 | starseeker | ``Erik: ok, ok I'll do it now ;-) |
| 19:05.55 | brlcad | ``Erik: uninstall doesn't fail on missing files (at least the automake uninstall doesn't) |
| 19:06.09 | ``Erik | ah, it uses rm -f? |
| 19:06.17 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:06.29 | ``Erik | I know the bsd pkg_delete gets bitchy on missing iles |
| 19:06.35 | ``Erik | files, or fiels with changed md5sums |
| 19:07.08 | ``Erik | but that should go clean, since it generates a manifest after install is complete |
| 19:07.11 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 19:07.15 | ``Erik | stops blabbering and codes some |
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| 19:09.15 | brlcad | ~seen jdoliner |
| 19:09.18 | ibot | jdoliner <n=jdoliner@c-68-51-76-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 3d 20h 42m 54s ago, saying: 'k nm found it'. |
| 19:21.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34163 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (24 files in 7 dirs): Remove old man pages that have been incorporated into the docbook system. |
| 19:21.47 | starseeker | there we go |
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| 19:39.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34165 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/bolt.xml: Whoops - fix bolt author. |
| 19:40.57 | mafm | ~starseeker++ |
| 19:41.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34166 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Convert window man page to docbook |
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| 20:01.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34167 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/ (bolt.xml gastank.xml handle.xml window.xml): it's window_frame(1), not winfrm(1) |
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| 20:07.40 | Malyce | hi |
| 20:07.52 | Malyce | I tried compiling on ubuntu |
| 20:08.06 | madant | howdy Malyce |
| 20:08.08 | madant | and ? |
| 20:08.09 | Malyce | autogen.sh gives autreconf and libtoolize failure |
| 20:08.38 | Malyce | what should I do ? |
| 20:09.15 | madant | hmm.. weird.. pastebin error message ? |
| 20:10.00 | Malyce | this is what i get |
| 20:10.01 | Malyce | Reading package lists... Done |
| 20:10.01 | Malyce | Building dependency tree |
| 20:10.01 | Malyce | Reading state information... Done |
| 20:10.01 | Malyce | E: Couldn't find package autoreconf |
| 20:10.32 | Malyce | sorry |
| 20:10.37 | Malyce | i posted the wrong messages |
| 20:10.42 | Malyce | this is what i get .. |
| 20:10.45 | Malyce | Preparing the BRL-CAD build system...please wait |
| 20:10.45 | Malyce | Found GNU Autoconf version 2.63 |
| 20:10.45 | Malyce | Found GNU Automake version 1.10.2 |
| 20:10.45 | Malyce | Found GNU Libtool version 2.2.6 |
| 20:10.45 | Malyce | Automatically preparing build ... Warning: autoreconf failed |
| 20:10.45 | Malyce | Attempting to run the preparation steps individually |
| 20:10.47 | Malyce | Preparing build ... ERROR: libtoolize failed |
| 20:11.23 | starseeker | use http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 20:12.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34168 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Convert window_frame man page to docbook |
| 20:13.09 | Malyce | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m393a0eda |
| 20:13.49 | ``Erik | which OS? |
| 20:13.54 | Malyce | Ubuntu |
| 20:13.56 | starseeker | ubuntu linux |
| 20:14.16 | starseeker | do you have all the autotools installed? |
| 20:14.21 | Malyce | yes |
| 20:14.29 | ``Erik | hm, I know the macs rename libtoolize 'glibtoolize', have you checked to make sure libtoolize installed with a 1.5 or later version, and tried running it manually? |
| 20:14.29 | starseeker | huh |
| 20:14.37 | Malyce | and automake, libtools, m4 etc |
| 20:14.39 | madant | Malyce, no idea why libtoolize is failing.. :) i have never faced it .. you should wait for our build ( and in general) guru brlcad :) |
| 20:15.00 | madant | ``Erik, libtool provides /usr/bin/libtoolize in debian, same for ubuntu i guess |
| 20:15.35 | madant | and this is the output of running ./autogen.sh ? |
| 20:15.38 | Malyce | yes |
| 20:16.47 | ``Erik | hmmmm, I'm still using 1.5.26, wonder if something changed in 2 |
| 20:18.32 | madant | Malyce, just make sure you have the latest revision and no changes from the trunk etc ? I myself have autoconf 2.63 automake 1.10.1 and libtool 2.2.6 and no probs :) |
| 20:19.21 | ``Erik | imagines running libtoolize -cf by hand will provide more informatin |
| 20:19.34 | ``Erik | s/n$/o&/ |
| 20:19.55 | Malyce | I co this morning |
| 20:19.58 | madant | what is the output if you run autoreconf manually ? |
| 20:20.30 | ``Erik | *sigh* autoreconf will need the m4 directory wired into it and will try to make libtoolize silent |
| 20:24.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34169 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Convert wire man page to docbook. |
| 20:25.59 | Malyce | how should i run the autoreconf manually ? |
| 20:26.05 | Ralith | returneth! |
| 20:27.25 | mafm | chanting hymns for returneth Ralith |
| 20:27.32 | madant | Malyce, is the ./autogen.sh --verbose output any different ? |
| 20:35.24 | Malyce | just ran the autogen --verbose |
| 20:35.27 | Malyce | but the output is the same |
| 20:35.34 | Malyce | just quote detailed |
| 20:35.40 | Malyce | i can post the output if it would help |
| 20:35.41 | Malyce | ? |
| 20:35.49 | louipc | yeah put it in a pastebin |
| 20:36.33 | Malyce | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m52ab321c |
| 20:37.44 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, ``Erik there was a bug on bug tracker on sf which was "latest svn failed on debian sid" |
| 20:38.25 | hippieindamakin8 | the build was successful with some minimal errors during the build (these errors are generally ignored) |
| 20:42.49 | madant | weird , why the tick and quote=> 'ibtoolize: Failed to create `m4 |
| 20:46.30 | louipc | I thought the same thing |
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| 20:53.50 | ``Erik | now why would libtoolize want to create m4, and is it trying to make it as a dir or file? O.o |
| 21:14.41 | starseeker | prepares some more nurbs test cases to put in the repository |
| 21:15.34 | brlcad | suspects malyce *doesn't* have the autotools installed, at least not some of the tools |
| 21:17.31 | brlcad | ah, verbose log |
| 21:20.44 | brlcad | "'ibtoolize" certainly looks wrong |
| 21:25.33 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34170 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: implement prim->brep |
| 21:28.30 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34171 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need a routine to convert from NMG to BREP, ideally for both NURBS and polygonal NMG objects. makes it easier to update functionality to the new data types. |
| 21:30.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34172 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need _tess() for brep primitive |
| 21:34.53 | brlcad | gives mafm some high praises |
| 21:36.23 | starseeker | brlcad: any idea why asc2g would say m_object_table[0].m_object is NULL ? |
| 21:36.41 | poolio | brlcad: I started on nmg -> brep...I think it may work for polygonal NMG objects, bu I believe it had some bugs |
| 21:36.52 | brlcad | poolio: yeah, I saw that |
| 21:37.04 | brlcad | my eyebrow went all crooked |
| 21:37.19 | poolio | I also think there's a newer version around here (locally) that I forgot to commit |
| 21:37.35 | brlcad | ahh, should hunt that shtuff down! :) |
| 21:38.07 | poolio | Cause I remember proclaiming myself done with arb*, and then I moved onto the other shapes |
| 21:38.24 | starseeker | grr. Well, looks like the .g goes in the repository, with hunting down the asc2g bug being on the list |
| 21:38.52 | brlcad | you mean g2asc I hope ;) |
| 21:38.54 | mafm | brlcad: why? |
| 21:38.58 | brlcad | otherwise, "there's your problem" :) |
| 21:39.19 | starseeker | not sure |
| 21:39.35 | brlcad | starseeker: .g is certainly better than nothing, but maybe just shove it up on the website then |
| 21:39.40 | brlcad | or into the wiki |
| 21:39.52 | starseeker | k |
| 21:40.06 | brlcad | a wiki page showing the progress would be pretty useful |
| 21:40.16 | brlcad | before after sets like you started |
| 21:40.31 | starseeker | hmm. ok, that should be doable |
| 21:40.44 | starseeker | let me get this file up somewhere for dreeves when he gets back :-) |
| 21:42.13 | starseeker | here's the g2asc output for the file: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m360c1791 |
| 21:43.08 | starseeker | doesn't see how g2asc is preserving the brep/nurbs info in the asc file, to be honest |
| 21:43.52 | brlcad | starseeker: ah |
| 21:43.53 | brlcad | yeah |
| 21:44.02 | brlcad | tclget/put havent' been implemented apparently |
| 21:44.11 | starseeker | ooo, that'll do it |
| 21:44.28 | starseeker | ok, here's the .g: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_tests.g |
| 21:44.31 | brlcad | I mean, just looking at that output, that is clear |
| 21:44.50 | starseeker | I thought so, but I wasn't sure if there was some magic going on ;-) |
| 21:45.07 | mafm | brlcad: * brlcad gives mafm some high praises -- why? |
| 21:45.41 | brlcad | mafm: oh just talking about you to other mentors |
| 21:45.58 | mafm | ah |
| 21:46.06 | mafm | what for? |
| 21:46.18 | brlcad | nosey, eh? :) |
| 21:46.27 | brlcad | just talking about you, not to you ;) |
| 21:46.40 | mafm | well, it's you who ignited the curiosity :) |
| 21:46.52 | brlcad | I know, it's more fun that way |
| 21:46.58 | mafm | btw, have you seen my reply in google thingy? I can't sign up as mentor |
| 21:47.09 | brlcad | I know why you can't sign up |
| 21:47.31 | brlcad | can't be a mentor and a student |
| 21:47.37 | mafm | yes |
| 21:47.41 | brlcad | and given you have multiple apps in, you're fixed as a student |
| 21:47.51 | mafm | however I'll try to advise anyway, if anybody would find my advise useful :P |
| 21:48.05 | brlcad | nods |
| 21:48.09 | brlcad | that would be appreciated and useful |
| 21:48.15 | brlcad | if someone continues that work |
| 21:49.02 | mafm | well, in fact I already advised a few ppl under the hood :P |
| 21:50.18 | mafm | brlcad: if my apps go bad, maybe I can sign up officially as mentor too? melange gods might provide... :) |
| 21:55.07 | madant | mafm, did u see Malyce's error, i faintly remember having a similar problem ( quote, tick and unnecessary characters :D ) in debian long back.. it disappeared of course .. it might be a debian bug |
| 21:56.07 | mafm | madant: can't remember, I did have problems last year but it was for another reason (autotools version or similar) |
| 22:01.01 | brlcad | mafm: nope, not really possible unless you know before the 15th that you're rejected from everywhere you applied and could get an admin to remove your student status |
| 22:01.18 | brlcad | students aren't announced until the 20th, so I suspect "no" :) |
| 22:03.04 | mafm | :/ |
| 22:03.19 | mafm | well, unofficial mentor will do |
| 22:04.24 | madant | mafm: t-shirt would be nice ;) |
| 22:04.43 | hippieindamakin8 | recounts that he sounded stupid talking abt the debian sid compile without checking the complete log/comment. |
| 22:04.56 | starseeker | dreeves: OK, if it's helpful I've got some test nurbs shapes up at http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_tests.g and a script to raytrace them all at http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_tests.sh - should be a bit more of a workout than brep_simple ;-) |
| 22:05.22 | brlcad | thinks starseeker should implement tclget/put support ;) |
| 22:05.38 | starseeker | me too :-) |
| 22:05.38 | brlcad | has to be done eventually anyways, now there's actually a compelling reason ;) |
| 22:05.52 | *** join/#brlcad Malyce (n=iamtanma@wlanaccess-ext.jacobs-university.de) | |
| 22:06.32 | starseeker | should also go to the gym, and since that closes that'll have to be first... |
| 22:06.38 | mafm | madant: well, that's a shame, yes |
| 22:07.01 | Malyce | do you guys know brlcad's email ? |
| 22:07.13 | Malyce | I could just send my compile pastebin's to him |
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| 22:07.26 | starseeker | he can see them on pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 22:07.47 | starseeker | or are they too big for it? |
| 22:07.49 | Malyce | shouldn't I send him the urls ? |
| 22:07.57 | ``Erik | say the URL in channel |
| 22:08.06 | ``Erik | it may be possible that someone else coudl help you, too... O.o |
| 22:08.10 | Malyce | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m52ab321c |
| 22:08.15 | Malyce | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m393a0eda |
| 22:08.25 | Malyce | I did that, like half an hour ago, remember ? |
| 22:09.06 | Malyce | Besides, I don't have access to that machine anymore right now |
| 22:09.17 | ``Erik | sh -xe libtoolize -a -c <-- would probably tell ya a lot more |
| 22:09.19 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:09.21 | Malyce | If somebody can tell me what went wrong, I'll try it out |
| 22:09.41 | Malyce | ok |
| 22:09.54 | Malyce | This was me building on Ubuntu |
| 22:10.00 | Malyce | I also did it on Cygwin |
| 22:10.10 | Malyce | There, autogen.sh went without a hitch |
| 22:10.18 | Malyce | but,.. |
| 22:10.21 | louipc | hehehe try to get it working on ubuntu first |
| 22:10.29 | brlcad | Malyce: yet again, one of the downsides of not using 'screen' to stay on irc .. I commented on your pastebin while you were gone |
| 22:10.39 | Malyce | oh |
| 22:10.44 | Malyce | rats |
| 22:10.55 | Malyce | It was a different machine |
| 22:11.06 | ``Erik | if you auto* on cygwin, the resultant may possibly not be ok for a leenewx |
| 22:11.12 | brlcad | haven't seen that specific problem before, but you can try to run exactly what autogen.sh is running to see why (like try what ``Erik suggested) |
| 22:11.32 | Malyce | ok |
| 22:11.42 | ``Erik | also; you could try googling the issue, surely this isn't the only place it's existed :D I see an ubuntu link when I chuck it in google... |
| 22:11.47 | Malyce | and just that one command will do the same ? |
| 22:11.52 | brlcad | only thing I can think of is the "-I m4" is confusing that version of libtoolize |
| 22:12.07 | louipc | :D |
| 22:14.00 | Malyce | Can I ask about the Cygwin build ? I don't have immediate access to the Ubuntu machine, will get it soon |
| 22:15.33 | Malyce | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6cb9d321 |
| 22:15.44 | brlcad | starseeker: if you serialize the BREP similar to what 'l' outputs but just using a shorthand single-letter notation, you can get tclget/adjust/form for free |
| 22:15.46 | Malyce | Although autogen.sh runs without a hitch, configure dies on me |
| 22:16.18 | brlcad | see rt_ell_parse[] in src/librt/primitives/ell/ell.c for an example |
| 22:16.24 | ``Erik | awesome |
| 22:16.40 | brlcad | you'd have to have vars for the entity count, then other vars for values for each entity type |
| 22:16.58 | brlcad | pretty huge table, but should be less than 52 entities I'd think |
| 22:17.13 | brlcad | (not that they need to be short, but is consistent) :) |
| 22:17.29 | starseeker | ok :-) |
| 22:18.02 | brlcad | otherwise you'll have to find a compressed shorthand to store, maybe openNURBS has a text serialization routine |
| 22:18.17 | brlcad | probably easier to define the table |
| 22:21.51 | Malyce | hints ? |
| 22:23.12 | brlcad | ehm, what erik said to try |
| 22:23.17 | brlcad | basically run the steps manually |
| 22:23.38 | brlcad | see what's breaking, see if the options make sense with that version of the tool's documentation |
| 22:23.46 | Malyce | I will try that out in a couple hrs, when I get to steal the machine back |
| 22:24.01 | Malyce | but I was also asking for the Cygwin build |
| 22:24.10 | Malyce | that's the last pastebin i posted |
| 22:24.20 | Malyce | autogen.sh ran fine there |
| 22:24.33 | Malyce | ./configure --without-x11 broke down |
| 22:25.03 | ``Erik | um, cygwin is gonna try to look like unix, which'll make configure need x11 |
| 22:25.14 | brlcad | try running ./autogen.sh --verbose, see if there are any warnings |
| 22:25.18 | ``Erik | cygwin should have all the right x11 crap with it |
| 22:25.55 | brlcad | otherwise, read the configure script and see what looks wrong -- it's a shell script, those are errors near the very beginning of the file |
| 22:26.01 | ``Erik | feel free to make configure.ac grok cygwin and try to do the right thing, but I suspect that'd require fixing tcl/tk |
| 22:26.02 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:26.15 | ``Erik | (and yes, those broken lines are setting the version info) |
| 22:27.23 | Malyce | well, 15th time's the charm (crosses fingers and toes) |
| 22:27.43 | louipc | haha |
| 22:30.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34173 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/intaval-g.py: don't assume that pythong is /usr/bin/python, use /usr/bin/env to find it |
| 22:32.46 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34174 10/brlcad/trunk/ (INSTALL m4/Makefile.am m4/python.m4 m4/sdl.m4): Remove python.m4 and sdl.m4 |
| 22:37.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34175 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtienet/ (Makefile.am g-adrt.c): start putting in g-adrt |
| 22:38.54 | ``Erik | hopes he busted it all up good 'nuff to piss some people off :D |
| 23:01.11 | Malyce | in Arb8.cpp, the number of vertices is a size_t type. Would it be ok, for me to simply typecast it to int ? |
| 23:01.19 | Malyce | in CoreInterfaces |
| 23:06.10 | mafm | what for? |
| 23:06.20 | Malyce | I want to pass it to other functions |
| 23:06.37 | Malyce | I guess it should be ok. number of vertices has to be an integer |
| 23:06.55 | mafm | do you know what a size_t is? :) |
| 23:07.05 | Malyce | its what you get from sizeof |
| 23:07.11 | Malyce | size in bytes |
| 23:07.21 | Malyce | oh shoot |
| 23:07.35 | Malyce | sorry, (conks himself on the head) |
| 23:08.34 | mafm | actually, using int is better than an unsigned int sometimes |
| 23:08.47 | mafm | but size_t is the type used for indexes and the like |
| 23:08.50 | Malyce | here, it has to be an integer |
| 23:09.06 | Malyce | I haven't seen it being used outside of sizeof |
| 23:09.13 | mafm | unsigned int, 32 bits in 32 bit architectures, 64 in 64 bits |
| 23:09.15 | Malyce | why ? |
| 23:09.23 | ``Erik | not always |
| 23:09.45 | mafm | well, because it's the number of elements that you can address |
| 23:09.47 | ``Erik | some 64b archs make a uint32_t when you say unsigned int |
| 23:10.11 | Malyce | is it ok for me to typecast it ? |
| 23:10.31 | Malyce | numerically, it will be the same. integer to integer |
| 23:10.44 | Malyce | value won't change |
| 23:10.56 | mafm | ``Erik: I mean size_t, that it's defined as an unsigned int(eger) of 32 or 64, not literal "typedef unsigned int size_t" :) |
| 23:11.45 | mafm | Malyce: you might even change the original, but probably who did that created it size_t for a reason |
| 23:11.52 | ``Erik | isn't sure where/what malyce means, sees no function name or line number or anything |
| 23:12.39 | mafm | I doubt you'll have more than INT_MAX number of vertices in a given thingy, so it should be safe, but don't take my word as law :) |
| 23:13.22 | ``Erik | if it's used as an offset or pointer, might run into issues past the 4gb mark, though... |
| 23:13.22 | Malyce | size_t NumberOfVertices(void) const throw(); |
| 23:13.34 | Malyce | I don't think so |
| 23:14.09 | ``Erik | ahhhhhh, in rt^3, ok |
| 23:14.10 | Malyce | the corresponding Arb8.c comments say (rt_arb_std_type), that return should be 0-8 |
| 23:14.29 | Malyce | so, the return value will be 0-8, irrespective of size_t or int |
| 23:14.36 | Malyce | just being cautious |
| 23:16.31 | mafm | Malyce: the point is that maybe it makes more sense that you use size_t in your code, or maybe it doesn't matter if you use different types, it's hard to say for me :) |
| 23:16.48 | ``Erik | hrm, the function used to fill ret is returning a regular old int :/ |
| 23:17.50 | mafm | I prefer to use the same types everywhere instead of casting, but I don't know if this is carefully maintained in coreInterface or not (according to what ``Erik says, it seems not :) ) |
| 23:18.05 | Malyce | I don't know why it wasn't typecasted in the function itself, that's my point |
| 23:18.34 | Malyce | But, I do *need* to typecast it to use it elsewhere, no choice there |
| 23:18.46 | Malyce | wanted to know the side effects |
| 23:18.52 | ``Erik | doesn't know, would ask DRoßerg |
| 23:18.53 | mafm | why? the compiler should issue a warning, not an error |
| 23:19.17 | Malyce | k, will ask DRossberg |
| 23:19.19 | ``Erik | ~seen drossberg |
| 23:19.24 | ibot | i haven't seen 'drossberg', ``Erik |
| 23:19.37 | mafm | anyway, casting from size_t to int won't cause problems unless you pass the 2GB barrier :) |
| 23:19.49 | mafm | ~seen d_rossberg |
| 23:19.50 | ibot | d_rossberg <n=rossberg@bz.bzflag.bz> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 4d 14h 43m 58s ago, saying: 'i.e. the student should not be able to see it'. |
| 23:20.07 | Malyce | so it won't be an issue, since the return is known to be between 0-8 |
| 23:20.18 | mafm | that would be correct |
| 23:20.23 | Malyce | cool |
| 23:20.36 | ``Erik | or negative on error |
| 23:20.37 | ``Erik | ? |
| 23:20.43 | Malyce | hihi |
| 23:21.18 | mafm | in C++ you can use: int blah = static_cast<int>(teh_var); |
| 23:21.50 | mafm | ``Erik: if the signature of the function is size_t, returning a negative number is kind of a ... bad design, I guess |
| 23:21.57 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 23:22.07 | mafm | is kind -> would be :) |
| 23:22.08 | ``Erik | well, it's signed int in librt |
| 23:22.44 | madant | Malyce, things are much better understood with a short code excerpt @ pastebin showing what u want to do :) |
| 23:22.50 | mafm | so maybe it's the signature of the function in CoreInterface which slightly wrong |
| 23:23.12 | mafm | +1 madant |
| 23:23.30 | ``Erik | *shrug* shoot daniel an email or try to catch him on irc, he may've had a reason for doing it that way, I d'no :) |
| 23:24.54 | mafm | or shoot him directly, then ask :) |
| 23:25.12 | Malyce | Panda: an animal that eats, shoots and leaves |
| 23:25.16 | madant | thinks using size_t for denoting the "size" of things - arity of a function, number of points in a primitive etc. etc. - is just pedantic :D |
| 23:26.17 | ``Erik | I'd argue more misleading than pedantic... size_t insinuates some relation to pointers 'n stuff, no? |
| 23:26.27 | mafm | would say yes |
| 23:27.05 | Malyce | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d5d2fe1cd |
| 23:27.21 | Malyce | just a small something i was experimenting |
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| 23:28.15 | Malyce | I should have commented it |
| 23:29.43 | Malyce | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d3ca55d6d |
| 23:29.48 | Malyce | commented version |
| 23:30.22 | ``Erik | hrmmmm |
| 23:31.44 | mafm | Malyce: ret might be uninitialized |
| 23:31.51 | mafm | and returned as such |
| 23:32.25 | Malyce | I thought that |
| 23:32.28 | ``Erik | that centroid func doesn't quite smell right to me |
| 23:32.34 | Malyce | I should make it =0; |
| 23:32.49 | ``Erik | hrm, guess it is heh |
| 23:32.58 | ``Erik | must be tired |
| 23:33.10 | Malyce | I thought so too. It has to be *heh* |
| 23:33.14 | Malyce | I knew it |
| 23:33.44 | mafm | Malyce: also, in C++ you can declare "npoints" in the same place: int npoints = (int) NumberOfVertices(); |
| 23:34.41 | mafm | if you're not going to use it outside that scope, that is :) |
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| 23:35.10 | mafm | well, I go to bed now, take care gentlemen (and ladies? :) ) |
| 23:35.15 | mafm | night |
| 23:35.18 | Malyce | good nigt |
| 23:35.25 | Malyce | sweet dreams |
| 23:35.25 | ``Erik | later, mafm |
| 23:36.27 | Malyce | oh, I remembered |
| 23:36.38 | Malyce | the reason I did not initialise ret = 0; |
| 23:36.57 | Malyce | its a point_t type. I don't know what that looks like |
| 23:37.15 | Malyce | *investigates* |
| 23:38.39 | ``Erik | typedef fastf_t point_t[4]; |
| 23:38.40 | ``Erik | or so |
| 23:39.09 | ``Erik | fully resolved out to typedef double point_t[4]; |
| 23:39.31 | Malyce | I can understand the first 3, but what do you do with double no. 4 ? |
| 23:39.45 | ``Erik | xyzw |
| 23:39.46 | Malyce | x,y,z,? |
| 23:39.50 | Malyce | ahahaha |
| 23:39.57 | Malyce | seriously, what is w ? |
| 23:40.08 | ``Erik | homogenous coordinates |
| 23:40.31 | Malyce | so it is the index of the local coords being used ? |
| 23:40.38 | Malyce | coord sys that is |
| 23:42.58 | Malyce | where is this defined ? |
| 23:44.47 | madant | ``Erik, mafm :) yeah maybe misleadingly pedantic :P |
| 23:44.51 | Malyce | uh, I think it is only three points |
| 23:44.57 | Malyce | #define ELEMENTS_PER_POINT3 |
| 23:45.28 | Malyce | typedef fastf_tpoint_t[ELEMENTS_PER_POINT]; |
| 23:46.10 | madant | off to a 5km run |
| 23:46.40 | ``Erik | okie, sorry, was thinking hvect_t |
| 23:46.44 | ``Erik | too used to opengl O:-) |
| 23:48.55 | Malyce | so, I initialize it to {0,0,0}, origin, is okie ? |
| 23:50.15 | ``Erik | should be |
| 23:50.37 | ``Erik | VSET(ret,0,0,0); :D |
| 23:50.46 | ``Erik | VSETALL(ret,0); |
| 23:51.00 | Malyce | useful. will keep that in mind |
| 23:51.19 | ``Erik | (just in case we go turn all that stuff into simd stuff some day) |
| 23:51.37 | Malyce | how so ? |
| 23:53.16 | Malyce | how is that useful, in parralel processing ? |
| 23:55.27 | Ralith | scatter instruction support? |
| 23:55.29 | Malyce | ugh, parallel |
| 23:55.56 | Malyce | so, all the user defined ops are already there ? |
| 23:55.58 | Malyce | ahhh |
| 23:56.10 | Ralith | what? |
| 23:56.32 | Malyce | when you use scatter/gather instructions, you can give it user defined operations to perform |
| 23:56.51 | Malyce | collective operations |
| 23:57.06 | Malyce | i take it that is what you meant |
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| 00:46.19 | yukonbob | hi, cadheads |
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| 01:00.03 | tessier_ | WOW |
| 01:00.23 | tessier_ | I've known about brl-cad for many years. Since the mid-90's I think. |
| 01:00.36 | tessier_ | It has always languished in obscurity. Glad to see it is finally taking off! |
| 01:01.02 | starseeker | :-) |
| 01:01.06 | starseeker | open source helps that |
| 01:01.52 | starseeker | tessier_: did you ever use it? |
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| 01:02.12 | tessier_ | I compiled it once. Fired it up. No no clue wtf I was doing. Never touched it again. |
| 01:02.18 | tessier_ | Had no clue |
| 01:02.39 | ``Erik | kebert xela |
| 01:02.55 | ``Erik | academic, gov't or industry, tessier? :) |
| 01:03.33 | ``Erik | (supposedly we had a couple thousand registered sites before going open source) |
| 01:05.41 | dreeves | starseeker thanks I will take a look |
| 01:09.19 | tessier_ | I am in what you would call industry |
| 01:13.20 | ``Erik | I think the only industry chunks where BRL-CAD got serious traction before going open sources defense |
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| 01:39.48 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad |
| 01:41.48 | AlexandreGuedes | I can answer the comment about the my project there ? |
| 02:20.03 | madant | AlexandreGuedes, you can use the channel for discussion, response to the comment or otherwise , and you can post a response comment at the application as well , i think :) |
| 02:41.45 | ``Erik | (don't ask to ask, brlcad will read the backlog. and http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html :) |
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| 06:54.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03ddreeves70 * r34178 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: |
| 06:54.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: fixed a bug that was causing some error points in the hit point list returned. |
| 06:54.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: I wasn't initializing the hit bool in the intersect function. This was causing |
| 06:54.20 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: at random times for the ray origin to show up on the hit point list. |
| 06:56.03 | dreeves | good news I was able to get rid of the big ole hack in shot found the bug that was causing that. I think the main issue is lack of trimming now |
| 06:56.51 | brlcad | lack of trimming? |
| 06:56.58 | brlcad | it's trimming from the looks of things |
| 06:57.07 | brlcad | dreeves: did you get the sample breps? |
| 06:57.43 | dreeves | yes I have raytraced some it is handing them much better with the bug fix |
| 06:58.05 | dreeves | Although there is still issues but I think those are because of the lack of trimming |
| 06:58.29 | dreeves | The box had no problems |
| 06:58.42 | dreeves | the cone hit some issues about mid way up |
| 07:00.26 | dreeves | I haven't converted the trimming code over yet |
| 07:01.13 | brlcad | okay, hrm.. looked like you had |
| 07:01.18 | dreeves | I have started but I'm still matching up how open nurbs stores trims vs the utah code |
| 07:02.21 | dreeves | No I think if I had that working we would have fully functional nurbs raytracer |
| 07:02.38 | dreeves | because I think most everything else is extremely close |
| 07:03.21 | brlcad | thoughts on the tolerance issues? |
| 07:03.47 | brlcad | I mean the issue of having to hard-code tolerances for this given set of inputs, then find a different set of inputs where those tolerance assumptions are no longer valid, for example |
| 07:07.16 | brlcad | dreeves: by the way, very impressive progress |
| 07:07.19 | brlcad | to say the least |
| 07:08.17 | dreeves | I think I need to think that a bit because I messed with that a little and didn't get the results I expected I set aside for the time to focus on the big ole hack because that was really bothering me |
| 07:08.31 | dreeves | thanks brlcad it is cool to work on this |
| 07:09.19 | brlcad | it's nice to see someone that can just jump in and make progress, I can't even mentally make the context switch to dig into that code without getting a lot of other things off my plate |
| 07:09.22 | dreeves | It's alot of fun |
| 07:09.34 | brlcad | which hasn't happened in a long while, and as such progress has been very very slow |
| 07:10.34 | dreeves | Well I think think the things you are doing are every bit as valuable to this project |
| 07:11.28 | dreeves | It has been a little while but it seems I'm getting into the swing of it |
| 07:11.59 | dreeves | In fact without some of the things you are doing there would be no project for me to have this fun with thanks!! |
| 07:12.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34179 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: note the recent code contributions from dreeves. he's been working on the nurbs/brep ray-tracing, woot |
| 07:12.26 | brlcad | oh I'm not downplaying anything I do, just that haven't made much progress on that task :) |
| 07:12.41 | brlcad | which does get frustrating, of course, even when I know it's for other reasons ;) |
| 07:12.59 | dreeves | Yeah I can understand that |
| 07:13.34 | brlcad | just like it's frustrating that we don't have a new gui yet, but I knew 8 years ago that it would take a long while to get everything in place (and it's finally starting to come together maintainably) |
| 07:13.42 | dreeves | You seem to be working day an night on your stuff |
| 07:13.59 | brlcad | pretty much, love it ;) |
| 07:14.26 | brlcad | which reminds me.. would be cool to run the speckle activity graph again |
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| 07:14.38 | brlcad | given it's been several years since the last time |
| 07:14.43 | dreeves | Yeah as you I am very interested in the gui. I don't know if you or not but my start I was a modeler |
| 07:15.06 | brlcad | nods |
| 07:15.26 | dreeves | so quite abit of experience with the "gui" |
| 07:16.46 | brlcad | the bigger issue with evolving brl-cad's modeling interface is doing so in a way that improves the interface without pissing off current expert modelers, which generally involves lots and lots of small incremental changes and even more refactoring |
| 07:17.14 | brlcad | that's the part that I seem to enjoy a lot of, refactoring the codebase into reusable organized sections |
| 07:17.28 | dreeves | Yeah I fight that problem all the time trust me. |
| 07:17.48 | brlcad | mged's finally at the point where we have most of its "meat" out of it now and into a library |
| 07:18.00 | brlcad | that took about a year and a half of almost non-stop effort by bob |
| 07:18.04 | brlcad | and others |
| 07:18.19 | yukonbob | listens in... |
| 07:18.38 | dreeves | Yeah I remember way when hacking mged code to add commands |
| 07:18.40 | brlcad | archer is a good refactoring that fixes many of the bigger fuglinesses in mged, it will be nice to see those two merge |
| 07:18.58 | brlcad | adding new mged commands is still fun (and now even easier than ever) ;) |
| 07:19.22 | brlcad | still more work needed on libged, but it's definitely coming together as a stateless command API |
| 07:19.35 | dreeves | Yeah arch definitely seems like a step up but I think in the end it is important for the interface to get more intuitive |
| 07:19.59 | brlcad | need a few new facilities like active selection sets, but then it should be fully quasi-modeless |
| 07:20.21 | brlcad | sure, archer is just one of those incremental steps |
| 07:21.00 | dreeves | You know something to think about would be how to you encapsulate all the behavior associated with a primitive |
| 07:21.11 | brlcad | that gives current modelers their same commands, familiar terminology, and similar options, but still shocks them with window management and extra information panels (hierarchy views, edit panels, single window default views, etc) |
| 07:21.44 | brlcad | they're pretty much encapsulated as it is minus a few rogue commands that still need to be pushed up into librt |
| 07:22.31 | brlcad | 95% of a primitive is in a dir in src/librt/primitive/ with the callback table for each 'method' of interest |
| 07:22.38 | dreeves | what I'm talking about is a primitive knows everything about itself how to rt, how to read, write and edit |
| 07:23.01 | brlcad | that's what it does now |
| 07:23.17 | dreeves | Really |
| 07:23.35 | dreeves | I thought editing behavior was in libged and rt was in librt? |
| 07:23.40 | brlcad | yeah, that's the callback table I was referring to |
| 07:24.07 | brlcad | there's a hook for prep, shot, read, write, describe, plot, ... etc, about 20 different things that defines a primitive |
| 07:24.48 | dreeves | agreed librt definitely has most but appears to lack the hooks for editing?? but again I could definitely be missing something |
| 07:25.27 | brlcad | the 5% that isn't in there are the bits that need to be refactored and pushed up as another hook or two, which includes things like 'mirror' (specific copy contructor), 'typein' (well-defined explicit constructor), and 'make' (default constructor) |
| 07:25.41 | brlcad | yeah, editing is in that 5% -- it's actually not a lot of hooks |
| 07:25.43 | dreeves | oh ok |
| 07:27.05 | brlcad | the biggest thing presently lacking is object validation as a specific callback routine |
| 07:27.12 | brlcad | right now that happens during the prep() callback for raytracing |
| 07:27.20 | brlcad | or for some primitives during read/write |
| 07:27.31 | brlcad | but not as a specific callback in itself |
| 07:27.35 | brlcad | that is needed |
| 07:27.51 | dreeves | how do you do the * dreeves nods in irc |
| 07:27.54 | brlcad | that's related to the parametric constraint support too |
| 07:28.27 | brlcad | shows dreeves how to use "/me shows dreeves how to use /me" |
| 07:28.46 | dreeves | nods |
| 07:28.50 | dreeves | ah ok |
| 07:28.52 | dreeves | thanks |
| 07:28.55 | brlcad | np |
| 07:30.08 | dreeves | Yeah I have been nosing around a little in what is going on with the libged stuff but for the most part trying to focus on this brep stuff |
| 07:30.32 | dreeves | seems like plenty of people focusing on mged currently |
| 07:30.53 | brlcad | nothing complicated, literally a straightforward refactoring of all commands in mged to make them a single argc/argv style function |
| 07:31.20 | brlcad | but that in itself requires/required rewriting *many* of the commands to make them work stateless and to work without Tcl |
| 07:31.39 | dreeves | Yeah that was what I was about ask |
| 07:32.09 | brlcad | entailed refactoring about 100k-150k lines of code |
| 07:32.54 | brlcad | just to get them into the simple form they are now of ged_[command]() |
| 07:35.13 | dreeves | so if memory serves me right wasn't the original commands in the whole argc/argv form (not factored out but in that form within mged) |
| 07:37.58 | brlcad | they were already 'mostly' in an argc/argv form but they weren't stateless |
| 07:38.25 | brlcad | many/most of them were tightly integrated with mged's various global state objects and edit modes |
| 07:39.04 | brlcad | so they would just set flags and expect things to happen or add things to some random global, etc |
| 07:39.07 | dreeves | yeah that is definitely true I remember |
| 07:39.23 | brlcad | very ugly in some places |
| 07:39.33 | dreeves | I remember that made things tough on a young programmer |
| 07:39.34 | brlcad | most of that is *much* more clean now |
| 07:39.53 | brlcad | the commands get passed a "working set" of objects and views to work on |
| 07:40.14 | brlcad | they fill out results for that working set |
| 07:40.21 | dreeves | Yeah thats cool |
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| 07:40.31 | brlcad | de-coupling tcl was the other big task |
| 07:40.52 | dreeves | Yeah I imagine that was a very big task |
| 07:41.05 | brlcad | but that was mostly changing a lot of function calls from tcl-things-that-does-something-like-printf to a bu-routine-that-does-something-like-printf |
| 07:41.14 | brlcad | not tricky logic-wise |
| 07:41.26 | brlcad | just thousands of lines of code in mostly non-scriptable ways |
| 07:41.30 | brlcad | tedious |
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| 07:41.47 | dreeves | I was going to say that sounds very very tedious |
| 07:42.09 | dreeves | take a special kind of person or people to do that |
| 07:42.16 | brlcad | yeah |
| 07:42.39 | dreeves | Has Ed seen the progress on the brep stuff? |
| 07:43.07 | brlcad | absolutely |
| 07:43.14 | brlcad | pretty exciting |
| 07:43.28 | dreeves | Yeah I didn't know if he had seen it yet |
| 07:43.39 | dreeves | He really helped get me set on the right path |
| 07:43.42 | brlcad | yeah, we've talked about it several times, yesterday included |
| 07:44.01 | dreeves | talking to me on the phone the other day |
| 07:44.06 | brlcad | yeah, he told me |
| 07:44.24 | dreeves | saved me a lot of retrenching time |
| 07:46.32 | dreeves | Ok I'm rerunning the test cases I had forgotten that I had uncommented the incomplete trimming code so bunch of blank images |
| 07:47.21 | dreeves | needs to check to see if he committed that code |
| 07:49.11 | dreeves | hey you want me to send you the images or post them on the mailing list? |
| 07:49.37 | brlcad | heh, saw that |
| 07:49.46 | brlcad | you did, commented it out |
| 07:50.22 | brlcad | mailing list posts are almost always better (to brlcad-devel unless you clean it up as a 'preview' for the unwashed user masses) |
| 07:50.39 | brlcad | just so it hits more eyes |
| 07:50.51 | dreeves | yeah I just checked |
| 07:50.55 | brlcad | another option is to set up some development progress page on the wiki and post a link to that to brlcad-devel |
| 07:51.39 | dreeves | that would be cool I will admit I don't know how to do that though |
| 07:52.08 | dreeves | I could probably figure it out if you tell me I have the capability from a permission stand point |
| 07:52.17 | yukonbob | !! clock! Haven't seen him in ages... |
| 07:52.31 | brlcad | dreeves: you do, the wiki is wide open |
| 07:53.03 | brlcad | should create an account on the wiki just so you don't have to keep answering a captcha, but from there it's very simple |
| 07:53.14 | brlcad | just like editing wikipedia |
| 07:54.02 | brlcad | basically, would probably start by editing this page and adding a link to a new brep/nurbs page: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Developer_Documents |
| 07:55.12 | brlcad | you can use another dev page (like http://brlcad.org/wiki/Revolve_Primitive ) as an example |
| 07:55.33 | brlcad | maybe http://brlcad.org/wiki/BREP_Primitive for that matter |
| 07:57.14 | dreeves | ok I will give it a go |
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| 08:10.00 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34180 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/description.txt: unacceptible is unacceptable |
| 08:10.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1358 10/wiki/Developer_Documents: |
| 08:13.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34181 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/description.txt: gah, more non-acceptablisms |
| 08:14.16 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1359 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: New page: {{DesignDocument}} = Overview = More to follow just starting this page. Will try to populate all the sections tomorrow with status of the work on BREP. = Internal Representation = = ... |
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| 08:18.26 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Box.png]]": BREP Box in the nurb_tests.g that was provided to me by starseeker. |
| 08:20.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1362 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: |
| 08:21.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Cone.png]]": Brep of a cone provide in the nurbs test by starseeker |
| 08:24.13 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1364 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 08:25.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1365 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 08:27.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Cylinder.png]]" |
| 08:28.21 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1367 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 08:28.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1368 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 08:30.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep dentedSphere.png]]" |
| 08:30.23 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1370 10/wiki/FAQ: what is brl-cad and what license do we use? |
| 08:31.08 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Pipe.png]]" |
| 08:31.59 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Torus.png]]" |
| 08:33.39 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1373 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 08:34.50 | dreeves | brlcad I have them posted I suppose I will go send a message on the mailing list |
| 08:35.16 | dreeves | More work todo on that page plus more images but I need to grab a few hours sleep |
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| 08:41.02 | brlcad | dreeves: sounds good |
| 08:41.30 | brlcad | looks good too |
| 08:45.09 | dreeves | ok I also sent mail to the mailing list but I haven't seen it show up yet |
| 08:46.19 | dreeves | brlcad I really like the pipe and the torus...although on the torus I see a few spots but I can think I could bump the tolerance and get rid of those but right now I want to focus on trimming I will get back to that in due time |
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| 09:40.57 | mafm | hi |
| 09:41.33 | hippieindamakin8 | hey mafm |
| 10:02.28 | brlcad | dreeves: yeah, the pipe is particularly impressive |
| 10:02.38 | brlcad | it has some acne problems as well on one of the tips |
| 10:02.45 | brlcad | probably trimming related |
| 10:10.27 | dreeves | I think I have the others look good now... I guess I'm not sure it is trimming again for some reason I am getting an odd intersection count. I just throw away the last intersection and it looks great. However, the dented sphere will still probably messed up. Just got think those issue shouldn't be cause by timming. Also bumped the tolerance seemed to eliminate the acne |
| 10:19.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded a new version of "[[Image:Brep Cone.png]]" |
| 10:20.18 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded a new version of "[[Image:Brep Cylinder.png]]" |
| 10:21.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded a new version of "[[Image:Brep Torus.png]]" |
| 10:25.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded a new version of "[[Image:Brep Torus.png]]" |
| 10:25.50 | dreeves | brlcad when you have a chance I have updated the images with the changes I talked about |
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| 10:56.53 | brlcad | dreeves: nice! definitely looking much better |
| 10:58.53 | brlcad | there are still a variety of parity problems causing the acne, but it's definitely getting reduced |
| 11:00.02 | brlcad | dented sphere is particularly odd as the inner sphere seems to be inverted with wrong normals |
| 11:00.51 | brlcad | the last bit of acne on the pipe is probably a parity issue hitting that back face |
| 11:01.00 | dreeves | Yeah some strange things going on with that one. On a good note though I think it is clear from the cylinder where we aren't trimming |
| 11:01.30 | dreeves | So now I have good test case for trouble shooting the trimming. So I think I will get that fixed next then focus on the tolerance issues |
| 11:01.39 | brlcad | cool |
| 11:01.54 | brlcad | goes to shower |
| 11:02.15 | dreeves | The utah paper makes reference to particular watching the tolerances |
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| 13:01.40 | Malyce | I tried sh -xe libtoolize -a -c |
| 13:01.56 | Malyce | gave me: Can't open libtoolize |
| 13:02.48 | Malyce | also, stole a machine with Vstudio 2008 |
| 13:02.56 | Malyce | where are the VC proj files ? |
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| 13:04.34 | Malyce | the first line was on a ubuntu machine, where autogen.sh was complaining that libtoolize and autoreconf failed |
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| 13:17.17 | brlcad | Malyce: for what it's worth, I'm starting to get the impression that you don't look for things very hard or for very long |
| 13:17.55 | brlcad | gsoc and open source development in general really requires a lot of independent thinking and problem solving skills |
| 13:18.59 | Malyce | I understand what you mean |
| 13:19.11 | _clock_ | brlcad: do you like gsoc? |
| 13:19.26 | brlcad | you really should have absolutely no problem finding the vc proj files, and you asking for them just shows that you either didn't look and was looking for a quick answer or you sort of looked but didn't immediately find it so you asked |
| 13:19.38 | brlcad | _clock_: absolutely, it's a pretty great program |
| 13:19.42 | Malyce | i must be missing something obvious |
| 13:19.48 | Malyce | its not in the svn checkout |
| 13:19.54 | Malyce | and no mention on the wiki |
| 13:20.00 | Malyce | or did i miss something? |
| 13:20.01 | brlcad | it is in the svn checkout |
| 13:20.23 | brlcad | how did you look for it? |
| 13:20.42 | brlcad | randomly browsing around directories isn't exactly effective on any large codebase |
| 13:21.04 | brlcad | you have to use an effective searching mechanism |
| 13:21.19 | Malyce | I looked on the wiki first, when it wasn't obvious |
| 13:21.29 | Malyce | I found a directory in /misc |
| 13:21.43 | alex_joni | Malyce: I think I compiled brlcad once a couple years ago, but I don't really follow it |
| 13:21.51 | Malyce | but there doesn't seem to be a single .proj file, or am I wrong ? |
| 13:21.52 | alex_joni | still it took me < 1 minute to find this: http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/doc/README.Windows?revision=28028&view=markup |
| 13:22.18 | brlcad | alex_joni: yep, or barring that there is also google, which points you straight to the file too |
| 13:22.41 | brlcad | if it's not a lack of effort, it's a lack of process/tools |
| 13:23.43 | brlcad | and yes, part of gsoc is certainly learning -- learning how to approach a task and how to find things is an important skill |
| 13:24.37 | Malyce | i googled 'brl-cad building vc++ project' |
| 13:24.42 | Malyce | and then looked on the wiki |
| 13:24.51 | Malyce | but yes, I am incompetent |
| 13:25.03 | Malyce | but not for lack of trying |
| 13:25.27 | brlcad | heh, not incompetent |
| 13:25.58 | brlcad | just need to hone those skills a bit, look a bit harder, bit more thorough until you learn more |
| 13:26.03 | alex_joni | Malyce: don't get discouraged immediately |
| 13:26.07 | Malyce | Right now, I am sitting in front of three machines, trying to get this thing to compile |
| 13:26.13 | alex_joni | it takes a while to get used to the OSS way of doing things |
| 13:26.17 | Malyce | but I am new to this |
| 13:26.36 | alex_joni | Malyce: I think the most important skill one needs to bring is patience |
| 13:26.40 | Malyce | if I am slow, it is my inexperience |
| 13:26.54 | Malyce | but back to the point, the readme mention MSVC6 and 7 |
| 13:27.06 | Malyce | the directory has 8 and 9 |
| 13:27.15 | alex_joni | if you're patient enough to read things before you jump ahead, sometimes it's lots easier to get things working |
| 13:27.35 | alex_joni | Malyce: means that document is probably outdated (you can see the last change date ~2 years ago) |
| 13:27.38 | Malyce | It says that it is possible to build on 8 |
| 13:27.49 | brlcad | for what it's worth, "brl-cad building vc++ project" isn't a great search term -- vc++ won't match much and the other terms are pretty general |
| 13:28.03 | brlcad | your original query here was actually better, you called it vcproj |
| 13:28.04 | Malyce | right, what should I have looked for ? |
| 13:28.15 | Malyce | I think I looked for that too |
| 13:28.16 | brlcad | searching for "brl-cad vcproj" probably would have been a lot more effectiv |
| 13:28.42 | Malyce | or not |
| 13:29.19 | brlcad | looks right to me, the first links point you at misc/win32-msvc8 |
| 13:29.32 | Malyce | yes |
| 13:29.35 | Malyce | my mistake |
| 13:29.38 | brlcad | down the line, almost the entire page points to that dir |
| 13:29.42 | Malyce | yes |
| 13:30.12 | Malyce | makes sense now |
| 13:31.14 | brlcad | Malyce: really not trying to be hard on you, fwiw |
| 13:31.26 | brlcad | I do want you to do better, for your sake and ours :) |
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| 13:31.55 | alex_joni | brlcad: otoh, I always fopund it helpful when new people come around and report things that are not intuitive or easy to find |
| 13:32.10 | alex_joni | it's great to get fresh eyes on something that feels natural to me... |
| 13:32.21 | alex_joni | especially documentation |
| 13:32.46 | brlcad | it's a skill like any other -- finding doc/README.Windows would have also worked, which the README and INSTALL point you at (or at least one of them does, iirc) -- which at least pushes you in the right direction even with it being a little dated |
| 13:32.59 | brlcad | yeah, it's useful feedback |
| 13:33.28 | brlcad | the windows readme certainly needs updating, that was at least uncovered |
| 13:34.03 | Malyce | you are right, I am making too many noob mistakes |
| 13:34.05 | brlcad | and knowing which of the 300 dirs in misc/win32-msvc8 dirs is the one to start with |
| 13:34.20 | brlcad | though if you read the list carefully, only one makes sense |
| 13:34.49 | Malyce | brl-cad |
| 13:35.15 | brlcad | bingo |
| 13:35.21 | brlcad | sans hypen of course |
| 13:35.25 | brlcad | hyphen even |
| 13:37.39 | alex_joni | that might be even easier to find, if someone knows what a .sln file is |
| 13:38.22 | alex_joni | "This is a structure file for organizing projects in Microsoft Visual Studio. It contains text-based information about the project environment and project state." |
| 13:38.51 | Malyce | MSVS shows it in the open dialog |
| 13:40.15 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, when we discussed the thing that we take care of the changes in topology, but the matter is that with approximate calculations one very rarely hits the change in topology.For example: we are solving for the intersection and we get new set of patches. it is not in everycase that we encounter the degenerate casee |
| 13:40.30 | hippieindamakin8 | *casee/ case |
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| 13:49.09 | hippieindamakin8 | and as a matter of fact topology of each patch shall be computed according to the steps mentioned.but i am just thinking would it be absolutely necessary to have a data structure storing the changes |
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| 14:13.29 | Malyce | Checking out from, http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/, doesn't get the CoreInterface .cpp files ? |
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| 14:21.50 | Malyce | The wiki says that, that should check out the entire brl-cad, but the CoreInterface files don't get checked out |
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| 14:44.08 | louipc | what are those? |
| 14:48.42 | Malyce | arb8.cpp, Ellipsoid.cpp etc in http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/rt%5E3/trunk/src/coreInterface/ , I think I must have made a checkout mistake somehow. |
| 14:49.10 | Malyce | Arb8.cpp |
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| 14:56.54 | louipc | you have to checkout the rt^3 tree then |
| 14:57.33 | louipc | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/rt^3/trunk/ |
| 14:57.48 | Malyce | I was thinking that. The wiki specifically says though that brlcad/brlcad gives you everything |
| 14:58.47 | louipc | hmm what page is that? |
| 14:59.12 | Malyce | https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/rt^3/trunk, actually |
| 14:59.19 | Malyce | http://brlcad.org/wiki/SVN |
| 14:59.39 | louipc | right |
| 15:00.31 | louipc | I guess rt^3 is not considered part of the BRL-CAD suite |
| 15:01.48 | Malyce | could be. I will know, once the co is done |
| 15:02.01 | louipc | it's not shipped with tarballs |
| 15:02.36 | louipc | it's a separate interface |
| 15:04.24 | mafm | rt3 is experimental stuff, it's not in the main repository :) |
| 15:07.02 | Malyce | mafm: the Install file says that support is not very strong for sys outside Linux |
| 15:07.20 | Malyce | I wanted to work on only the CoreInterface files |
| 15:07.35 | Malyce | Any way to make this easier ? |
| 15:09.40 | d_rossberg | Malyce: which programming environment are you most familar with? |
| 15:10.59 | Malyce | C/C++ on Unix systems. I just haven't much experience in building large projects though. |
| 15:11.46 | d_rossberg | which tools do you use un the Unix systems? (command line, eclipse, ...) |
| 15:11.54 | Malyce | command line |
| 15:12.33 | d_rossberg | and which editor (vi, nedite, kate, ...) |
| 15:12.43 | Malyce | usually nedit |
| 15:12.45 | louipc | hehe |
| 15:13.19 | d_rossberg | ok, did you ever wrote a makefile? |
| 15:13.45 | Malyce | I had to once. I usually just read them and hope they work |
| 15:14.12 | Malyce | but, its not too hard |
| 15:15.08 | d_rossberg | therefore, you are able to write a simple makefile which includes some libraries |
| 15:15.11 | Malyce | Are you suggesting that I manually compile the CoreInterface ? |
| 15:15.28 | d_rossberg | Malyce: at this stage: yes |
| 15:15.46 | Malyce | allright. actually that would be a relief, if its possible. |
| 15:16.34 | d_rossberg | you should first buld the brlcad distribution |
| 15:16.44 | Malyce | I am still struggling with that |
| 15:16.58 | d_rossberg | this will give you the libraries you need for the core interface |
| 15:17.03 | louipc | blame ubuntu :D |
| 15:17.08 | Malyce | also, svn keeps resetting my connection after around 30 minutes of checking out |
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| 15:17.40 | d_rossberg | i'm working with ubuntu right now, no problem |
| 15:17.49 | Malyce | $ svn checkout http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/rt^3/trunk brlc |
| 15:17.49 | Malyce | ad-sf-rt3 |
| 15:19.09 | d_rossberg | something like this |
| 15:19.26 | Malyce | what am I doing wrong ? |
| 15:21.00 | mafm | Malyce: aren't you working in linux? what's the problem if the support is not good for other systems then? :) |
| 15:21.37 | mafm | and the reset problem might be something wrong with the router or something, it shouldn't be a problem of software |
| 15:21.56 | Malyce | I have been trying to build BRL-CAD on Ubuntu(netbook), Cygwin, Visual Studio 2008 so far |
| 15:22.10 | Malyce | for rt^3, that will narrow my options down to Ubuntu |
| 15:22.46 | d_rossberg | Malyce, your commandline should be ok, it worked for me |
| 15:22.46 | Malyce | Tortoise SVN in Win XP manages to do the checkout completely, but not svn from inside cygwin |
| 15:22.49 | mafm | you can use "svn checkout --depth=immediates" |
| 15:23.36 | mafm | or -N for non-recursive, and adding excplicitly the directories that you care about |
| 15:23.44 | d_rossberg | there are graphical frontends for svn on linux too |
| 15:24.04 | Malyce | svn: Shallowing of working copy depths is not yet supported |
| 15:24.05 | mafm | you won't need whole OGRE 3D engine that it's inside src/other for example, if you only want to work in CoreInterface |
| 15:25.08 | mafm | so you can checkout http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/rt%5E3/trunk/src/coreInterface/ only :) |
| 15:25.29 | Malyce | just did |
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| 15:26.41 | mafm | good :) |
| 15:28.29 | Malyce | Yessss |
| 15:30.06 | Malyce | also, co this http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/rt%5E3/trunk/include/brlcad/ |
| 15:30.09 | Malyce | for the headers |
| 15:30.54 | Malyce | d_rossberg: I think that is all |
| 15:30.55 | Malyce | ? |
| 15:32.27 | Malyce | I will try building BRL-CAD on Ubuntu on a standard laptop instead of a netbook and see if that is better |
| 15:32.34 | d_rossberg | you may put http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad into your webbrowser to see what is left, but these two branches are what i'm using |
| 15:33.18 | Malyce | It is not possible, I suppose for me to copy the main libraries without building BRL-CAD ? |
| 15:33.55 | Malyce | I will only need librt |
| 15:34.04 | d_rossberg | the hardware itself should not make a difference but the Ubuntu distribution you are using |
| 15:35.07 | Malyce | 9.04 on both machines |
| 15:37.42 | d_rossberg | you need to be able to build BRL-CAD by yourself because sometimes there are changes on the core libraries neccessary |
| 15:39.33 | ``Erik | moo |
| 15:40.38 | d_rossberg | the number of the distribution may not say all, your autoconf and libtool versions are different from mine (for example) |
| 15:40.39 | louipc | yeah a netbook is a bit of an awkward development platform eh? |
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| 17:51.22 | ``Erik | *burp* |
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| 19:03.48 | pacman87 | any news on the prelim slot count? |
| 19:06.22 | brlcad | not till thursday |
| 19:07.02 | pacman87 | update the channel topic? |
| 19:10.32 | brlcad | ahh, yeah |
| 19:10.41 | brlcad | she originally said "thursday the 7th" |
| 19:12.22 | brlcad | BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || GSoC2009 Next Step: applications have been reviewed, respond to comments, preliminary slot count on 9th, selections announced on the 20th |
| 19:12.36 | brlcad | we'll know by the 15th, but we're not supposed to tell you until the 20th :) |
| 19:12.50 | pacman87 | ok, thanks |
| 19:13.04 | brlcad | kinda cruel and unusual if you ask me |
| 19:14.06 | brlcad | thinks someone should write up a comparison of http://trepan.bzflag.bz/vectors.h to our vmath.h for something number-intensive |
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| 20:19.49 | Malyce | (Ubuntu) ./configure died with: error: c compiler cannot create executables |
| 20:19.49 | Malyce | Solutions on google said to install libc6 libc6-dev gcc g++ build-essential, all of which I have latest version |
| 20:19.51 | Malyce | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1385248 |
| 20:20.07 | Malyce | config.log |
| 20:21.37 | ``Erik | for some reason, your configure is putting newlines in the version string, it shouldn't be doing that :/ something is probably messed up/incompatible with your autotools |
| 20:22.34 | ``Erik | early on in your configure, you should have a line like PACKAGE_VERSION='7.14.7' |
| 20:22.45 | Malyce | yes, I had to manually fix that |
| 20:23.06 | Malyce | I suppose it messed up conftest.c as well |
| 20:24.06 | brlcad | ahh, I've seen that newline issue |
| 20:24.19 | brlcad | i think it's related to the carriage returns or just that particular version of autoconf |
| 20:24.24 | brlcad | (on cyg) |
| 20:24.36 | Malyce | this is ubuntu |
| 20:24.38 | brlcad | the last user that ran into it just hard-wired the numbers into configure.ac |
| 20:25.03 | brlcad | Malyce: was the checkout done on ubuntu or on a shared volume? |
| 20:25.18 | Malyce | cygwin |
| 20:25.23 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:25.24 | Malyce | this is so messed up |
| 20:25.39 | ``Erik | #!~31 *scrolls up to where he said it'd cause problems if malyce did that* |
| 20:26.01 | brlcad | hehe, i've honestly never seen someone have this much trouble compiling the package :) |
| 20:26.15 | brlcad | lots of ways to improve I suppose :) |
| 20:26.19 | Malyce | noob, noob, noob |
| 20:26.23 | brlcad | Malyce: edit your configure.ac file |
| 20:26.30 | Malyce | so I should co again on ubuntu ? |
| 20:26.37 | brlcad | try the edit first |
| 20:26.40 | brlcad | it's quick and simple |
| 20:26.50 | brlcad | look for the four define lines near the beginning |
| 20:27.10 | Malyce | like this: define([MAJOR_VERSION], [patsubst(esyscmd([cat include/conf/MAJOR]), [ |
| 20:27.11 | Malyce | ])]) |
| 20:27.13 | brlcad | comment them out and just set them directly in VAR=value form (e.g. MAJOR_VERSION=7) |
| 20:27.53 | brlcad | makes sure that'll work |
| 20:28.19 | Malyce | you want me to set them to the actual numbers, and not the path, right ? |
| 20:28.23 | brlcad | okay, that won't work |
| 20:28.59 | brlcad | define([VAR], [#]) |
| 20:29.11 | brlcad | where # is the number from the corresponding file |
| 20:29.24 | brlcad | not all that patsubst stuff |
| 20:34.54 | Malyce | define([MAJOR_VERSION],[7]) define([MINOR_VERSION],[14]) define([PATCH_VERSION],[7]) define([CAD_VERSION],[7.14.7]) |
| 20:39.55 | Malyce | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1385272 |
| 20:40.00 | Malyce | It looks the same |
| 20:40.17 | brlcad | you have to run autogen.sh after editing configure.ac |
| 20:40.27 | brlcad | (always) |
| 20:40.38 | Malyce | ok |
| 20:41.27 | brlcad | for any autotools project, any time you edit a makefile* or configure* file, you should rerun the bootstrapping step, whatever that may be |
| 20:41.44 | brlcad | usually ./autogen.sh or ./buildconf or autoreconf -vis or something else they document |
| 20:49.15 | brlcad | Malyce: how'd that go? |
| 20:55.18 | Malyce | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1385297 |
| 20:55.24 | Malyce | two warnings, one error |
| 20:58.51 | brlcad | infig.status?! wtf is that? |
| 20:58.58 | brlcad | should be config.status |
| 20:59.26 | brlcad | if really sounds like you have a busted configuration |
| 20:59.50 | brlcad | really seems like something is wrong with your gnu autotools install |
| 21:00.48 | ``Erik | would think a) try a fresh checkout to a linux filesystem, or b) try to autoreconf a different project and see how that works |
| 21:00.52 | brlcad | you're also missing at least three other things that you'd need to install before you can build -- a lexer (lex), a parser (yacc/bison), and libXi-dev/libXi |
| 21:02.08 | Malyce | apt-get install libXi-dev |
| 21:02.14 | brlcad | I've built cleanly on debian very recently, so I really doubt the problems are some problem with the autotools, and our build system certainly hasn't changed |
| 21:02.51 | brlcad | more than likely , it's something wrong -- maybe could try reinstalling m4/perl/automake/libtool/autoconf |
| 21:03.23 | Malyce | similarly, I do 'install lex bison automake autoconf libtool' |
| 21:05.06 | Malyce | will Flex do ? |
| 21:05.15 | brlcad | yes |
| 21:05.42 | brlcad | this sounds like a pretty vanilla system |
| 21:06.52 | Malyce | so, I just installed bison flex libXi-dev. I should autoremove the rest, then install them again ? |
| 21:07.07 | brlcad | I'd suggest it, just to test |
| 21:07.17 | brlcad | something does seem quite wrong |
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| 21:21.14 | Malyce | btw, what about the floating point implementation that was not IEEE754 compliant warning ? |
| 21:21.34 | Malyce | also, same config error |
| 21:21.52 | Malyce | just finished uninstalling-installing-autogen-configure |
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| 21:25.08 | Malyce | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1385345 |
| 21:29.31 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, posted a comment on the appspot portal |
| 21:30.39 | hippieindamakin8 | is in a hurry as he has his final year engineering project presentation tommorow and all the components of mechanical system stopped working |
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| 21:39.00 | Malyce | entering- ./config.status gives me - .infig.status: error: cannot find input file: |
| 21:39.40 | Malyce | which is the same thing ./configure is telling me. |
| 21:40.14 | Malyce | so, this is a line ending issue ? |
| 21:41.12 | Malyce | yes, I resolved the problem. I checked out from svn and ran the same thing. It must have been because I had co on cygwin earlier. No autotools issue here |
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| 22:45.28 | ``Erik | autodesk and softworks offering free demos? O.O |
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| 23:31.34 | brlcad | Malyce: glad to hear the problem is solved! so do you have a build? |
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| 23:40.38 | Malyce2 | yes sir |
| 23:40.44 | Malyce2 | its all up and running |
| 23:40.52 | Malyce2 | ran the benchmarks and the install |
| 23:40.53 | ``Erik | huzzah |
| 23:42.00 | Malyce2 | I am installing Ubuntu on my own machine right now. I will transfer the files and run the benchmark again to check. Is that ok ? |
| 23:44.19 | ``Erik | if the new box has the same arch, os and packages, should be |
| 23:44.36 | ``Erik | erm, and the source is in the same path |
| 23:44.53 | ``Erik | like, if it was /usr/home/joeblow on the old machine and /home/malyce on the new one, that'd probably fail |
| 23:45.12 | Malyce2 | I think I'll play it safe, and rerun from autogen |
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| 23:54.19 | yukonbob | waves to teh cadheads |
| 00:02.39 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob |
| 00:07.55 | yukonbob | hey brlcad |
| 00:08.00 | yukonbob | how're trix? |
| 00:30.29 | yukonbob | restarts build process with a release, vs. svn co |
| 00:54.56 | brlcad | yukonbob: going pretty good |
| 00:55.11 | brlcad | yukonbob: feel free to comment on any gsoc applications to the students |
| 00:55.23 | brlcad | socghop.appspot.com |
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| 00:56.47 | brlcad | waves to dreeves |
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| 00:59.21 | dreeves | waves back |
| 00:59.38 | dreeves | to brlcad |
| 01:00.33 | yukonbob | brlcad: will do -- am changing geography right now to settle into some quality computer time ;) |
| 01:00.52 | starseeker | is impressed gCAD3D is able to import the OpenMoko CAD files |
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| 01:19.53 | starseeker | sets up a test raytrace of the openbook d part and heads home |
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| 01:34.38 | mafm | night |
| 01:43.26 | Ralith_ | night |
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| 02:06.58 | ``Erik | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=549899 <-- BRL-CAD being pimped O.o |
| 02:07.57 | Ralith | cool! |
| 02:09.26 | Ralith | I want one of those keyboards with extra mod keys |
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| 02:25.41 | starseeker_ | hrm - anyone else not able to connect to brlcad.org? |
| 02:27.42 | starseeker_ | or bzflag.bz? |
| 02:28.01 | starseeker_ | has apparently offended the gods |
| 02:32.05 | ``Erik | lame, it pings but it doesn't let me ssh in |
| 02:32.14 | ``Erik | or let me pull up the page |
| 02:33.29 | starseeker_ | hope I didn't bust anything :-( |
| 02:36.27 | ``Erik | imagines the machine might be overburdened |
| 02:36.47 | ``Erik | my putzy little home server gets like that when I go heavy into swap |
| 02:37.02 | ``Erik | and usually something like 4 load during that heh :D |
| 02:38.08 | starseeker_ | winces - I didn't THINK I put up too much data with the CAD files... I hope that's not it... |
| 02:39.28 | ``Erik | hm, that machine was awfully tight on space |
| 02:41.34 | ``Erik | hm, kernel response to ping is fast, but irc response is slow, smells like io thrashing to me :( |
| 02:41.48 | ``Erik | load is 55 |
| 02:41.59 | ``Erik | usr is full |
| 02:42.29 | ``Erik | annnddddd the kernel is too old to give me the io info I'm lookin' for in the way I'm used to heh |
| 02:45.59 | Ralith | I can get to the web page, but the web page can't get to the db server. |
| 02:46.16 | starseeker_ | ah hell |
| 02:46.18 | Ralith | which is odd, considering that the db server is on the same machine. |
| 02:46.38 | Ralith | The MySQL error was: Lost connection to MySQL server during query. |
| 02:46.44 | ``Erik | db server may've crapped itself when a write to /usr failed due to it being full |
| 02:47.00 | Ralith | I remember filling /var on my laptop once |
| 02:47.05 | Ralith | produced very strange behavior. |
| 02:47.39 | ``Erik | not all apps behave intelligently when write() or fprintf() fail |
| 02:47.57 | starseeker_ | I got in with ssh |
| 02:48.05 | starseeker_ | erases Neo Freerunner files |
| 02:49.28 | starseeker_ | no, that can't be it |
| 02:49.39 | ``Erik | brlcad seems to be coming back up now |
| 02:49.41 | starseeker_ | that was only a couple hunderd megs |
| 02:49.44 | ``Erik | the page, that is |
| 02:49.45 | ``Erik | um, yes |
| 02:49.53 | ``Erik | it's that close |
| 02:50.01 | ``Erik | tehre's 300 megs free right now |
| 02:50.15 | starseeker_ | bloody |
| 02:50.23 | starseeker_ | well, so much for that idea |
| 02:50.52 | ``Erik | <-- points where he said that the machine was tight on space :) |
| 02:51.16 | ``Erik | when the migration happens, there'll be more space available |
| 02:53.02 | starseeker_ | clears out all the openmoko files except the readmes for later reference |
| 02:53.16 | starseeker_ | ok, up to 350 |
| 02:53.45 | ``Erik | irssi, mysql and httpd were freaking out on not being able to write to /usr |
| 02:53.51 | starseeker_ | prepares to back up his dir there and clean out everything he can |
| 02:55.55 | starseeker_ | nuts, I was going to have my nice little pocket of free, high quality CAD files |
| 02:56.03 | starseeker_ | well, no matter |
| 02:56.21 | starseeker_ | only the .g files really NEED to be there |
| 02:56.53 | starseeker_ | ;-) |
| 03:01.15 | ``Erik | make brlcad migrate the server, then you'll have ~25g to use :D |
| 03:06.23 | starseeker_ | hmm, maybe http://www.ibiblio.org would be interested? Virtual AGC certainly takes up some space |
| 03:08.23 | Ralith | starseeker_: CAD files of what? |
| 03:09.11 | starseeker_ | OpenMoko phone case and VIA OpenBook laptop computer case |
| 03:09.14 | starseeker_ | so far |
| 03:09.20 | starseeker_ | nurbs based models |
| 03:09.24 | starseeker_ | professional quality |
| 03:09.37 | ``Erik | pheer my professional quality, uh, cube |
| 03:09.47 | starseeker_ | heh |
| 03:10.01 | ``Erik | had to make one in metal tech long ago |
| 03:10.12 | starseeker_ | once we can raytrace the simple cases, we can attempt to raytrace THOSE models |
| 03:10.26 | ``Erik | milled aluminum, forget the accuracy it needed, but it had to be pretty precise |
| 03:11.16 | Ralith | starseeker_: where did you get CAD designs for a VIA laptop? O.o |
| 03:11.20 | Ralith | how're they licensed? |
| 03:11.43 | starseeker_ | http://www.viaopenbook.com/ |
| 03:11.49 | ``Erik | a very flexible license he got form http://ninjas-r-us.com/ |
| 03:11.58 | starseeker_ | Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported |
| 03:12.09 | starseeker_ | just the case, mind you |
| 03:12.18 | Ralith | cool! |
| 03:12.42 | Ralith | I didn't know we had the code to import NURBS to .g |
| 03:12.52 | starseeker_ | we don't directly |
| 03:12.54 | starseeker_ | yet |
| 03:13.05 | starseeker_ | 3dm-g is the path, but that needs Rhino |
| 03:13.23 | Ralith | ah. |
| 03:13.52 | starseeker_ | once we get a STEP importer that handles NURBS, we can just export from whatever to STEP and (in theory) be good to go |
| 03:13.55 | Ralith | so, sounds like BREP is moving along at a fair clip then, if we're already looking at stress tests |
| 03:14.59 | starseeker_ | dreeves has been looking at some of the work out of utah and applying it - exciting stuff |
| 03:15.10 | Ralith | utah? |
| 03:15.19 | Ralith | major kudos to him |
| 03:15.43 | Ralith | is anyone actually working on a STEP importer? |
| 03:16.30 | starseeker_ | we're shaking down the NIST STEP Class Library code right now |
| 03:16.35 | starseeker_ | that should help with an importer |
| 03:20.05 | starseeker_ | exciting stuff |
| 03:22.42 | Ralith | yeah |
| 03:25.35 | starseeker_ | Right now, I know of three sources for potentially good CAD models that are open source - OpenMoko, VIA OpenBook, and (possibly) some of the files at http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/models/ |
| 03:26.04 | starseeker_ | the most interesting of the latter uses Inventor, which is not a format BRL-CAD has an importer for |
| 03:26.42 | starseeker_ | might be able to do something with the Open Inventor code, or might be able to import it and export it through another path |
| 03:28.59 | Ralith | the galileo orbiter? |
| 03:29.15 | starseeker_ | no, the Cassini |
| 03:29.20 | starseeker_ | the 300,000k object one |
| 03:29.31 | Ralith | ahh |
| 03:29.34 | Ralith | didn't notice that figure. |
| 03:29.43 | Ralith | assumed it was just a vanilla conversion |
| 03:29.47 | starseeker_ | it might be AutoCAD Inventor, come to think of it |
| 03:29.50 | starseeker_ | hmm |
| 03:29.51 | Ralith | hehe, accurate to a fault. |
| 03:29.57 | starseeker_ | loves being accurate to a fault |
| 03:30.05 | Ralith | thinks it's great fun |
| 03:30.12 | Ralith | (thus my love for CSG over meshes) |
| 03:30.24 | Ralith | (even though I do no work where it matters, and probably won't for years) |
| 03:30.29 | starseeker_ | I'm guessing the obj files are exports from the big one |
| 03:31.09 | Ralith | the others too, probably |
| 03:31.24 | Ralith | I'm surprised by the size difference though |
| 03:31.41 | Ralith | very inconsistent prims:filesize ratio |
| 03:32.22 | starseeker_ | yeah, not really sure what's in them to be honest |
| 03:32.58 | starseeker_ | I managed after a long and annoying chain to use open source tools to get one of the obj files visible in BRL-CAD, but it doesn't seem to be any kind of a solid model |
| 03:33.09 | starseeker_ | at least, not after the conversion process got done with it |
| 03:33.14 | Ralith | heh |
| 03:33.22 | Ralith | might be best to take a look with the native tool. |
| 03:33.35 | starseeker_ | it's slow as heck, not much better visually than the dxf... etc. |
| 03:33.36 | starseeker_ | yeah |
| 03:34.09 | Ralith | the way it says 'prims' rather than 'tris' suggests a solid model, though |
| 03:34.11 | starseeker_ | I got reminded today about the OpenBook, so that is making me re-visit my last look at the Cassini models |
| 03:34.46 | starseeker_ | it's ideal to have open models that make heavy real world use of NURBS, so we can share a common test case between all contributors |
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| 03:34.59 | Ralith | yeah |
| 03:39.05 | starseeker_ | indeed, that argument holds for all aspects of CAD, not just NURBS - it just so happens that NURBS are hot right now :-) |
| 03:42.00 | Ralith | and relate directly to current development efforts |
| 03:47.05 | starseeker_ | ok, 890 free - that may do for now |
| 04:31.13 | starseeker | hmm, one other interesting source of open source CAD models: |
| 04:31.13 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.16 | starseeker | » |
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| 04:31.21 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.25 | starseeker | l |
| 04:31.28 | starseeker | hmm |
| 04:31.31 | starseeker | let's try that again |
| 04:31.38 | starseeker | http://www3.elphel.com/wiki/Elphel_camera_parts#0353-10-01_-_camera_bottom.2C_l.3D104.77mm |
| 04:32.43 | starseeker | The pdf versions are under GFDL with no invariant sections as near as I can tell, but I don't see any license info on the STEP files |
| 04:34.25 | starseeker | ah, looks like the short URL works: http://www3.elphel.com/wiki/Elphel_camera_parts |
| 04:39.59 | Ralith | neat |
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| 05:07.57 | Ralith | hey dreeves! |
| 05:16.41 | dreeves | hey |
| 06:03.06 | yukonbob | _still_ can't get an error-free build going :P |
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| 06:56.11 | yukonbob | nice... bordering on success now... |
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| 07:24.06 | yukonbob | hi clock |
| 07:24.25 | _clock_ | hi |
| 07:31.19 | yukonbob | _clock_: what's new? |
| 07:31.41 | _clock_ | the brazilians seem to be complicated |
| 07:31.54 | yukonbob | ? |
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| 08:13.44 | hippieindamakin8 | waves at madant_ |
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| 08:26.37 | madant_ | waves back |
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| 09:31.51 | mafm | hi |
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| 12:26.43 | starseeker | Hmmm... http://bugcommunity.com/wiki/index.php/BUGbase |
| 12:34.08 | starseeker | http://touchkit.nortd.com/download.html |
| 12:35.17 | starseeker | interesting |
| 12:54.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r34184 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/numerics/BoundingBox.java: Added doesIntersect(Ray) method |
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| 13:34.21 | ``Erik | heh "If all else fails... your coworkers are edible" O.o dilbert is kinda, uh, scary at times |
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| 14:18.03 | starseeker | ah, the openbook conversion did (sorta) raytrace, after a prep time that seems to have been on the order of 20 minutes |
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| 14:43.37 | ``Erik | shweet, pix? |
| 15:12.04 | yukonbob | finally... |
| 15:16.36 | yukonbob | ...feh. almost |
| 15:17.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34185 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 15:17.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: weiss checked the cpa contribution (and ended up going a better route) so remove |
| 15:17.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: it from the list. russell dibelka suggested an interesting feature to make |
| 15:17.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: rtarea display a cross-hair or similar indicator, perhaps with coordinates, if |
| 15:17.36 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: rtarea is invoked within mged. |
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| 16:26.12 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad , should i add something more to the comment ? |
| 17:16.39 | starseeker | ``Erik: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/openbook_d2.png |
| 17:17.45 | ``Erik | neato |
| 17:17.48 | ``Erik | iiintersting |
| 17:21.28 | brlcad | cool |
| 17:21.34 | brlcad | looks horrible, but cool :) |
| 17:22.31 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: not until/unless someone replies back unless you know there is something more you care to say |
| 17:29.05 | ``Erik | thinks all those loops are highly indicative of... something... what it is, I dunno, but someone who knows more than me may gleen knowledge from the existance of those... they smell funny :) |
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| 17:33.02 | starseeker | ``Erik: my guess is non-working trimming |
| 17:37.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r34186 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/geometry/Partition.java: |
| 17:37.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Added air code. |
| 17:37.40 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Added ident and air code to the toString() method |
| 17:38.06 | ``Erik | I guess isolating piece generating a loop and looking at its equivelant in a "correct" system (like pro-e) would be the litmus test for that |
| 17:41.19 | ``Erik | (I'm being asked how to clear the command window in mged, anyone know off hand?) |
| 17:42.10 | starseeker | drop down menu |
| 17:42.27 | starseeker | File->Clear Command Window |
| 17:42.55 | ``Erik | passed, he says thanks |
| 17:47.38 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:47.48 | brlcad | woulda just said "hit enter a few times" |
| 17:48.06 | brlcad | or "implement a 'clear' command" |
| 17:48.09 | ``Erik | woulda assumed a "clear" command *shrug* |
| 17:48.31 | starseeker | DID assume a clear command |
| 17:48.40 | starseeker | IIRC, it lead to a discussion about polluting name spaces |
| 17:48.40 | brlcad | problem with 'clear' is that it's a shell intrinsic |
| 17:48.51 | brlcad | unlike almost all other commands |
| 17:49.01 | brlcad | it's purpose is to control the console you're running in |
| 17:49.22 | brlcad | not many commands do that, are only console-centric like that |
| 17:49.55 | brlcad | so as a ged command, it would take some sort of api change to tell mged that some sort of "clear the buffer" was requested |
| 17:50.16 | brlcad | unless it's left/exposed as an mged-only command of course, and doesn't live in libged |
| 17:50.25 | brlcad | which would make senss |
| 17:50.27 | starseeker | thinks the latter makes more sense |
| 17:50.47 | brlcad | there ya go, patch it up ;) |
| 17:50.53 | brlcad | should be a trivial command |
| 17:50.58 | starseeker | nods |
| 17:51.01 | ``Erik | my thought was that it'd live all in src/tclscripts/mged |
| 17:51.01 | starseeker | one sec... |
| 17:51.12 | brlcad | even have a menu already doing it, so there's a hook already doing it |
| 17:51.17 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.28 | brlcad | that looks like it |
| 17:51.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: you already have it ready? ;-) |
| 17:51.51 | ``Erik | nope, that's the menu cmd |
| 17:52.17 | ``Erik | I have some serious nappi^Wcoding to do, instead O:-) |
| 17:56.09 | ``Erik | (be a good lowhanging fruit for someone coming up to speed to do, imho) |
| 18:00.37 | brlcad | starseeker: point being that you can just make a tcl proc that calls that same line as command (or better yet, refactor that to be 'clear' then make the menu command call clear) |
| 18:00.58 | brlcad | very low-hanging |
| 18:01.57 | ``Erik | yes, I was starting to do the 5minute hack, but held back because someone somewhere might benefit from doing it |
| 18:02.15 | ``Erik | (we need to save easy stuff for new developers, as hard as it is) |
| 18:02.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34187 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: mged/archer could use a 'clear' command. don't muck it into libged, though. |
| 18:03.07 | ``Erik | ponders suggesting that task out loud |
| 18:09.51 | starseeker | is trying to figure out how to refer to .$id.t from within somewhere other than openw.tcl... |
| 18:13.03 | brlcad | src/tclscripts/mged is fair game |
| 18:13.56 | brlcad | otherwise, you can actually request it too: set id [get_player_id_t $w] |
| 18:14.10 | brlcad | if you're in widget code of course -- w is the widget handle |
| 18:23.02 | brlcad | er, not widget, it's the window id |
| 18:23.23 | brlcad | e.g., ".id_0.t" |
| 18:23.35 | starseeker | right |
| 18:23.57 | brlcad | set mged_players will list the current top-level windows |
| 18:24.42 | brlcad | (basically every time you run "gui", it makes another player) |
| 18:25.06 | brlcad | if anyone has a recent build, see if tab-completion works |
| 18:25.46 | ``Erik | seems to |
| 18:26.05 | ``Erik | both for commands and geometric names |
| 18:26.25 | brlcad | with 7.14.7 ? |
| 18:26.28 | ``Erik | up and installed this morning |
| 18:26.29 | ``Erik | yes |
| 18:26.44 | brlcad | k |
| 18:26.45 | brlcad | thx |
| 18:26.51 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD Release 7.14.7 The BRL-CAD Raytracer RT |
| 18:26.51 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.28 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34188 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Bob and Cliff added a clear command to MGED - File->Clear Command Window also uses it now. |
| 19:01.27 | ``Erik | bastards, that coulda been a newbies learning project :D |
| 19:02.47 | starseeker | well, now we're down to 800 other potential projects ;-) |
| 19:04.53 | brlcad | thinks that shouldn't have needed to involve bob then too :P |
| 19:05.25 | brlcad | easy access "just" to ask a question is still a context switch interruption on whatever he was doing |
| 19:22.37 | starseeker | is getting even for stock market context switches ;-) |
| 19:23.51 | ``Erik | aw, c'mon, don't turn it into a zero sum game |
| 19:23.59 | starseeker | heh |
| 19:32.07 | brlcad | starseeker: problem with clear, busted for classic mode |
| 19:32.16 | brlcad | it also assumes just one player |
| 19:32.49 | brlcad | need to fix "mged -c" use as well as graphical use after you run 'gui' two or three times |
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| 21:07.18 | starseeker | brlcad: Hmm. Was that always broken? |
| 21:08.05 | starseeker | (the multi gui I mean, obviously classic is a different case) |
| 21:09.04 | ``Erik | O.o the menu approach defaults to the window it was called from.. there was nothing to be 'broken' until you did what you did |
| 21:09.14 | starseeker | ok |
| 21:22.48 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34189 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/clear.tcl: handle case where mged_players has more than one entry |
| 21:27.51 | starseeker | didn't know anyone ran gui from within MGED |
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| 21:51.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34190 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/ (clear.tcl openw.tcl): |
| 21:51.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: OK, handle clean with mged -c, multiple gui instances, and put the window |
| 21:51.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: command back where it was with the additions for handling character capture |
| 21:51.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: (some sort of different behavior happening there, for now just restore correct |
| 21:51.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: behavior.) |
| 21:51.56 | starseeker | brlcad: that should be better |
| 21:52.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r34191 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pnts/pnts.c: bug fixes for pnts primitive, added partial 'l' command support |
| 22:30.18 | brlcad | starseeker: gui is a valid configuration for getting multiple views, alternative to multipane (a better one at that |
| 22:30.48 | brlcad | technically, behavior has changed now |
| 22:30.55 | brlcad | not sure I care about it, but it is unexpected behavior |
| 22:31.17 | brlcad | it should clear the text widget that you type "clear" into, not all of them |
| 22:31.33 | brlcad | the menu option did that, now it'll clear all of them if I read the patch right |
| 22:31.48 | brlcad | plus, I'm sure it'll still choke an error in -c mode |
| 22:33.55 | ``Erik | the update/output going to all windows when you execute a cmd is ... surprising |
| 22:39.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Homovulgaris 07http://brlcad.org * r1379 10/wiki/User:Homovulgaris: /* Abstract */ scaling down |
| 22:39.18 | brlcad | that's a feature |
| 22:39.54 | brlcad | kinda useful at times actually, but it is sort of odd |
| 22:40.11 | brlcad | because you can run mged -c > file and run gui to get a console, then you have a full transcript |
| 22:40.35 | brlcad | that's part why it's useful, not why it's odd :) |
| 22:41.17 | brlcad | not sure if there's a way for a command that is run in a given text widget to know which text widget it was invoked from |
| 22:47.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Homovulgaris 07http://brlcad.org * r1380 10/wiki/User:Homovulgaris: /* Proposal */ time for libged integration increased by 65 % |
| 22:47.33 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 22:47.34 | brlcad | woot |
| 22:47.38 | brlcad | ~madant++ |
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| 22:53.29 | madant__ | :) |
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| 23:12.55 | brlcad | that's looking much better |
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| 00:24.33 | dreeves | wavies at brlcad |
| 00:25.48 | brlcad | howdy dreeves |
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| 00:56.30 | poolio | any news on the slot count? |
| 00:58.48 | ``Erik | not to my knowledge |
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| 01:38.49 | ``Erik | "the hare club for men" heh |
| 02:01.40 | ``Erik | watches new southpark O.o |
| 02:37.30 | starseeker | brlcad: uh, r34189 or r34190? |
| 02:37.47 | starseeker | 34190, in my testing, cleared only the window you type clear in |
| 02:38.42 | starseeker | I successfully tested it at work in classic mode and two gui configs... |
| 02:38.52 | starseeker | checks to make sure he didn't mess something up again... |
| 02:45.29 | starseeker | brlcad: it seems to be working here... clear clears only the one window |
| 02:48.18 | yukonbob | I've got what I think is an auto* issue... anybody got spare cycles to help me understand/troubleshoot? |
| 02:48.51 | yukonbob | where "auto*" == autoconf, et al. |
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| 03:02.06 | starseeker | pastebin? |
| 03:11.46 | yukonbob | starseeker: I need to feed a value for LIBSTDC to Makefile in src/librt/ |
| 03:12.53 | yukonbob | what I'm doing right now is running configure, then hand-editing the ./src/librt/Makefile to read: "LIBSTDC = -lstdc++" |
| 03:14.28 | yukonbob | Makefile.in has it's "LIBSTDC = @LIBSTDC@", but I don't know how to fill that macro yet :p |
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| 03:17.50 | ``Erik | AC_SUBST in configure.ac |
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| 03:18.33 | yukonbob | ``Erik: thank you ;) |
| 03:19.07 | ``Erik | np |
| 03:19.25 | yukonbob | south park over, or you're multitasking? |
| 03:19.49 | ``Erik | southpark was over 20 minutes ago, half watching a family guy rerun and getting ready to sleep :) |
| 03:20.13 | yukonbob | bippdy boo beepidy bah! |
| 03:20.18 | yukonbob | "What are you doing?" |
| 03:20.30 | yukonbob | I'm speaking Italian, Brian. |
| 03:20.54 | yukonbob | (moustache episode) |
| 03:21.47 | ``Erik | yeah, this is the beard episode, they have quite a bit of range in their plotlines and hooks, huh? :D |
| 03:22.51 | yukonbob | o.O |
| 03:23.07 | yukonbob | we both picked facial hair episode :P |
| 03:23.26 | yukonbob | hehe... maybe your "hare club" comment influenced the world... |
| 03:25.32 | ``Erik | when a butterfly flaps it's wings in asia, a chain of events happen which results in no one giving a rats ass |
| 03:25.34 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 03:26.51 | yukonbob | hrmm... |
| 03:27.08 | yukonbob | will have to play a bit with configure.ac to see what/how to set... |
| 03:28.47 | ``Erik | bear in mind, any change to configure.ac will require at least an autoconf and configure, probably an autogen.sh and configure.... might be of use to make a tiny auto* project to test your ideas in before committing to that long process :) |
| 03:29.26 | yukonbob | nods |
| 03:30.33 | madant | likes General Disarray |
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| 03:46.00 | *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || GSoC2009 Next Step: we're reviewing applications, preliminary slot count on 7th, selections announced on the 15th | |
| 03:54.32 | yukonbob | !fscking linking |
| 03:54.38 | yukonbob | packs out... |
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| 07:00.10 | jdoliner | sean are you around? |
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| 07:50.05 | yukonbob | jdoliner: if you have a question, ask away... somebody else may be able to hel; if not, brlcad will be back later and read scrollback... :) |
| 07:50.18 | yukonbob | hey _clock_ |
| 07:51.10 | jdoliner | k it had to do with a gsoc comment he left |
| 07:51.28 | jdoliner | but has anyone read an rt06 paper on nurbs csg |
| 07:52.18 | yukonbob | not me. |
| 07:52.45 | yukonbob | will be reviewing gsoc submissions tmo after work, too... |
| 07:52.56 | yukonbob | in meantime... ZzzzzZzz |
| 07:53.03 | yukonbob | nn, #brlcad |
| 07:53.08 | archivist | no zzz, thats lazy |
| 07:53.20 | yukonbob | heh |
| 07:53.28 | archivist | :) |
| 07:53.42 | yukonbob | archivist: my computer will be working while I recharge myself. |
| 07:53.53 | archivist | excuses |
| 07:55.10 | yukonbob | not an excuse; hopefully a glimmer of hope, but I'm sleeping no matter what... I don't have the "sleep 4 hours/day" routine down :) |
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| 08:18.30 | madant | hmm.. brlcad should add a sleep command to this channel which displays "a little part of you dies everytime you sleep" |
| 08:18.37 | madant | ~sleep |
| 08:18.38 | ibot | [sleep] overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 08:18.52 | madant | time to changed that :P |
| 08:19.19 | archivist | in #mysql I have certain factoids randomised |
| 08:19.40 | madant | archivist: like ;) ? |
| 08:20.14 | madant | haha..like ~help .. overrated :D |
| 08:21.01 | archivist | http://www.wench.archivist.info/ and put excuse in the search box |
| 08:23.19 | madant | archivist: sorry for being such a noob :) whats pma |
| 08:23.32 | archivist | phpmyadmin |
| 08:23.58 | madant | ah ok :) |
| 08:24.11 | archivist | easy web based mysql admin program, fools noobs easily |
| 08:24.15 | madant | me likes this |
| 08:24.25 | madant | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.33 | archivist | it also does not need a ~ to trigger so can be funny when noobs start talking to the bot |
| 08:32.39 | madant | is very much an irc noob and probably forever will be :) |
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| 09:46.51 | hippieindamakin8 | madant_, awesome quote :P |
| 09:49.02 | madant | hippieindamakin8: how is school |
| 09:49.32 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, bad :) as usual. |
| 09:50.25 | hippieindamakin8 | just done with my btech project which was a sucess , trying to complete the other course projects too |
| 09:54.46 | madant | hippieindamakin8: what was ur btech project? |
| 09:58.41 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, improving the flow rate and efficiency of a peristaltic micropump. (size of 1.5cm x 1cm) |
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| 10:39.01 | brlcad | starseeker: ah, looks like another case of sf.net missing sending e-mails again |
| 11:07.52 | brlcad | I only got one mail where it was turned into a while loop |
| 11:51.30 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34192 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/configure.ac: Added unistd.h to header checks and memcpy, memmove to function checks |
| 11:54.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34193 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (5 files in 2 dirs): yylineno fixed to properly track parser line numbers |
| 12:02.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34194 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:02.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: added hash initialize calls to the registry constructor, the registry hash tables were not being |
| 12:02.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: initialized properly from the test programs. Also added checks in hash functions to make sure hash |
| 12:02.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: is initialized only once. |
| 12:04.28 | starseeker | woo-hoo! |
| 12:04.32 | starseeker | ~indianlarry++ |
| 12:13.18 | starseeker | makes note of this file to check later, but notes it apparently can't handle the cassini iv file: http://people.sc.fsu.edu/~burkardt/cpp_src/ivcon/ivcon.html |
| 12:13.47 | starseeker | wonder if it can be hooked up to the open inventor libraries themselves |
| 12:16.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34195 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:16.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Added "dirobj.cc" to step utils library for test programs also added the DEFS header |
| 12:16.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: file "scl_config.h" and additional header checks for "unistd.h" and "sys/stat.h" to |
| 12:16.37 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: "dirobj.cc". Replaced "scl_cf.h" usage with "scl_config.h" to reflect current config. |
| 12:20.39 | brlcad | heh, a 20k line file |
| 12:21.36 | brlcad | aside from horrible organization and use of globals, that's sort of what I'm hoping to put together with libgcv |
| 12:23.26 | brlcad | he has a read and write routine for each format -- the reads adding to his (global) internal container(s), the writes exporting from whatever is in the containers |
| 12:24.04 | brlcad | going to do something similar, only using .g internal memory representation as the intermediary |
| 12:24.21 | brlcad | the main() files we have are essentially a read or a write function |
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| 12:34.07 | brlcad | hello berndj |
| 12:35.17 | berndj | hmm, if you're human, hello. if a bot, hello too, i guess |
| 12:42.36 | brlcad | hehe, *beep* *boop*, greetings |
| 12:45.09 | starseeker | brlcad: do we want to use the .g format for somethign like that? I admit it would serve our needs, but if libgcv is intended to be as generic as possible wouldn't it be better to user an intermediate format like STEP, which (in theory) could handle information we would lose going through the .g format? |
| 12:45.20 | starseeker | we wouldn't care, but other conversion applications might |
| 12:46.23 | starseeker | plus, we might have to rework all the conversion routines if ever the .g format expanded to include something that had previously been tossed out |
| 12:48.26 | starseeker | notes meetings are approaching and decides he should head out now... bbl |
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| 13:01.58 | brlcad | for our purposes, the .g format should actually suffice perfectly and (more importantly) is the least work to get the capability since that's what all our converters presently do |
| 13:02.20 | brlcad | really don't want to rewrite dozens of converters |
| 13:02.41 | brlcad | aside from that, for solid modeling needs, our format supports everything that matters :) |
| 13:03.17 | brlcad | and can be made to support anything else (with something like libgcv, it's actually more reasonable to support stashing things we don't care about as attributes and binary goo) |
| 13:04.07 | brlcad | not even clear if step would be effective as an in-memory only intermediary too |
| 13:05.26 | brlcad | still, they 'might' need to be extended to add something we presently don't support, but they would have to be nearly completely rewritten to support a different data store |
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| 13:08.00 | brlcad | to the user/caller it would be opaque what the in-memory representation is |
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| 16:37.13 | brlcad | enjoys his new furniture |
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| 17:16.52 | madant | brlcad: office redecoration ? |
| 17:24.24 | brlcad | madant: no, for home -- bedroom suite delivery arrived today |
| 17:24.33 | brlcad | finally, after about 9 months |
| 17:24.37 | brlcad | er, weeks, heh |
| 17:25.15 | madant | heh that makes sense :D 9 months would have sucked |
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| 19:23.54 | ``Erik | who lives in a pineapple under the sea O.o |
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| 19:50.40 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, spongebob squarepants |
| 19:51.02 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i need sometime with respect to the patch. |
| 19:51.21 | hippieindamakin8 | working on the nmg to bot conversion routine. |
| 19:53.21 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, that is one of the most awesome shows ever made |
| 19:53.45 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, * some more time |
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| 21:11.08 | elite01 | ``Erik, hippieindamakin8, wtf? ^^ |
| 21:11.56 | hippieindamakin8 | elite01, ? |
| 21:12.09 | elite01 | quoting spongebob and stuff |
| 21:12.21 | hippieindamakin8 | aah |
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| 00:48.16 | brlcad | wow |
| 00:48.28 | brlcad | so preliminary slot allocations were announced |
| 00:48.37 | brlcad | checks to see if I'm allowed to share |
| 00:48.47 | ``Erik | w00t, 0! go us! |
| 00:49.27 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:50.10 | brlcad | looks like five orgs didn't get their allocations in |
| 00:50.10 | ``Erik | is kinda surprised at how many most projects got O.o 2 are a bit lower than I'd expect to see in the announcemen |
| 00:50.25 | brlcad | ``Erik: very likely they asked for that few |
| 00:50.31 | brlcad | especially if they're returning |
| 00:50.39 | ``Erik | 3 |
| 00:50.41 | brlcad | 'most' returning get what they ask for |
| 00:50.43 | ``Erik | um, |
| 00:50.46 | ``Erik | "bit lower" as in 0 |
| 00:50.53 | brlcad | ah, read the prolog |
| 00:50.59 | brlcad | 0 means they were stupid |
| 00:51.11 | brlcad | didn't put their count into the system |
| 00:52.32 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 00:52.40 | ``Erik | just a draft, ain't nothin' set in stone yet |
| 00:53.28 | brlcad | yep, might go down a slot or two |
| 00:53.49 | brlcad | but probably not too likely |
| 00:54.31 | brlcad | ``Erik: in any regard, it's enough to rank -- going to keep it pretty simple this year unless you feel compelled for the chart again |
| 00:54.52 | ``Erik | huh? chart? whu? |
| 00:54.53 | brlcad | I figure if everyone marks their top five, they should all sort to the top |
| 00:55.00 | brlcad | ``Erik: last year, the spreadsheet |
| 00:55.03 | ``Erik | oh |
| 00:55.11 | ``Erik | um, I read them all, I haven't commented on any yet |
| 00:55.14 | ``Erik | or rated |
| 00:55.38 | brlcad | right, I know :) |
| 00:55.40 | brlcad | time to rate :) |
| 00:55.42 | ``Erik | I think I might need to re-read and take notes, and try to correlate a couple irc names to handles |
| 00:55.52 | ``Erik | er, proposals |
| 00:56.00 | brlcad | only really need to rank your top five most interesting |
| 00:56.37 | ``Erik | a couple of them, I don't think I understand them well enough to know if I think they're interesting |
| 00:56.38 | brlcad | I marked two categories already, one for returning and another for what I thought were really good applications |
| 00:56.57 | brlcad | and I believe daniel has ranked too |
| 00:57.35 | ``Erik | can see pros and cons to returning, not entirely sure how he feels on that subject |
| 00:57.35 | brlcad | and I think he basically picked his favorite |
| 00:58.11 | brlcad | yeah, I went back and forth but there's been a general consensus that returning for one year is cool |
| 00:58.15 | brlcad | two years, not so cool |
| 00:58.19 | ``Erik | I imagine I'm not going to be assigned an explicit project, will just be a swiss army knife |
| 00:58.49 | brlcad | it's up to you, I was planning/hoping you would unless you want to do the admin evals at mid/final :) |
| 00:59.09 | ``Erik | nothing this year has really jumped out at me quite like last years batch did |
| 00:59.24 | brlcad | maybe that's a good thing :) |
| 01:00.18 | brlcad | starseeker: same for you, time to rank -- let me know if you have questions |
| 01:00.23 | brlcad | yukonbob: too :) |
| 01:04.05 | brlcad | (decided to not share the slot count for anyone keeping track since it's not final) |
| 01:05.45 | brlcad | wow, some of the umbrella orgs have really stepped it up slot-wise this year |
| 01:08.10 | brlcad | and wow, way to go elena .. whipped up a drupal module for her patch :) |
| 01:13.06 | Ralith | oh yeah, brlcad, I'll have those milestones written up by sunday, k? |
| 01:14.03 | Ralith | unless you want it sooner |
| 01:15.26 | brlcad | Ralith: I think that'll be okay |
| 01:15.42 | brlcad | Ralith: curious, of your two projects -- is either more appealing than the other? |
| 01:16.03 | brlcad | or better put, do you think you could enjoy working on either? |
| 01:16.47 | Ralith | I would enjoy both; I'd probably enjoy any not-incredibly-frustrating opportunity to make a useful contribution in a way that takes advantage of my skills. |
| 01:16.55 | Ralith | that's not to say I consider them equal, though |
| 01:17.55 | Ralith | I'm a little less confident about the GUI project as it's less well defined, but I'm very excited to work on it and bring us that much closer to a modern, userfriendly GUI. |
| 01:18.19 | Ralith | whereas the TCL work is fairly mundane, but I expect still rewarding, as we discussed. |
| 01:31.16 | ``Erik | ooh, krod mandoon in half an hour |
| 01:34.24 | yukonbob | views submissions.... |
| 01:38.28 | yukonbob | remind me: Are the "private comments" private w/i the group of mentors, or private between the student and a single mentor? |
| 01:38.34 | yukonbob | ``Erik: ---^ |
| 01:38.42 | yukonbob | brlcad: --^ |
| 01:42.04 | yukonbob | nm. |
| 01:48.15 | brlcad | yukonbob: private amongst mentors |
| 01:48.22 | yukonbob | saw :) |
| 01:48.27 | brlcad | see some of the other existing ones that have comments |
| 01:49.05 | brlcad | ``erik, starseeker, yukonbob: be sure to mark any you're willing to mentor too |
| 01:49.17 | brlcad | I can't sign you up for anything |
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| 02:09.39 | yukonbob | hey pacman87 |
| 02:09.44 | yukonbob | , PrezKennedy |
| 02:09.48 | pacman87 | hi yukonbob |
| 02:09.53 | PrezKennedy | hey yukonbob |
| 02:25.44 | ``Erik | knows, has been through this once before :) |
| 02:30.52 | yukonbob | packs out... little more reviewing to do, but is really pretty easy decision making... |
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| 04:08.02 | starseeker | brlcad: are we tracking anywhere who has submitted patches? |
| 05:36.39 | dreeves | brlcad you there? |
| 05:37.10 | dreeves | starseeker you around? |
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| 06:17.20 | yukonbob | dreeves: best way to ask a question is typically just ask... despite IRC being realtime, everybody isn't glued here all the time... we do read scrollback, though :) |
| 06:36.12 | pacman87 | the ones who are glued here all the time fall under the 'against their will' category in: |
| 06:36.14 | pacman87 | ~ask |
| 06:36.36 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 06:37.04 | yukonbob | waves to pacman87 |
| 06:37.10 | pacman87 | waves back |
| 06:37.23 | yukonbob | late in Texas, isn't it? |
| 06:37.31 | pacman87 | i'm currently working on my tetris program for the 6811 |
| 06:37.36 | pacman87 | yeah, 1:40 am |
| 06:37.45 | pacman87 | first class is at 2pm, though |
| 06:37.51 | yukonbob | nods |
| 06:38.00 | yukonbob | no work for me tmo... Good Friday |
| 06:38.16 | pacman87 | and i was up til 4am last night doing the circuit board layout |
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| 08:42.50 | brlcad | starseeker: pretty much in my head, you're welcome to ask them though |
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| 08:51.15 | hippieindamakin8 | gmorning folks |
| 08:53.22 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 08:53.54 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, yeah abt the patch i ll be able to submit it in by sunday |
| 08:54.32 | pacman87 | wanders off to sleep |
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| 10:19.31 | madant | ~sleep |
| 10:19.41 | ibot | methinks sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
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| 12:46.36 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
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| 13:43.05 | starseeker | dreeves: sorry, I was out cold |
| 13:43.07 | starseeker | what's up? |
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| 13:44.47 | dreeves | starseeker that's alright I think I figured out what I was going to ask you |
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| 16:08.04 | brlcad | loves this: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/push_button.png |
| 16:20.54 | pacman87 | someone wrote that on the hand dryer in our bathroom |
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| 16:48.14 | ``Erik | free pizza, w00t |
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| 19:33.54 | ``Erik | huh http://www.indiangeek.net/programmer-competency-matrix/ |
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| 21:28.11 | Malyce | hi, I was trying to make a makefile for the coreInterface code |
| 21:28.38 | Malyce | I wasn't sure exactly how to link the coreInterface files to the already built brl-cad files |
| 21:28.59 | Malyce | I am thinking the easiest way would be to append to the already existing makefile |
| 21:29.04 | Malyce | for the main code |
| 21:29.30 | Malyce | but, it is too complex, and I am having trouble understanding it |
| 21:33.57 | yukonbob | ``Erik: re: matrix -- "Level 3: maintains a blog with personal insights and thoughts on programming" |
| 21:39.30 | ``Erik | it's an amusing matrix from a winiot newb dev, wouldn't put a lot of stock in it, but it was amusing :) |
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| 21:50.43 | yukonbob | ``Erik: re: putting stock in: agreed, but a bit interesting... |
| 21:50.53 | yukonbob | ``Erik: so... .where's your blog? |
| 21:50.54 | yukonbob | :) |
| 21:57.27 | ``Erik | I have a blog? |
| 21:59.47 | Malyce2 | You have a blog ? |
| 22:16.57 | Malyce2 | soooo, noone to talk to here ? |
| 22:17.01 | ``Erik | ssh |
| 22:17.07 | yukonbob | we're sleeping here!! |
| 22:17.09 | ``Erik | we're trying to lurk here |
| 22:17.21 | yukonbob | sleeps, ``Erik lurks |
| 22:17.34 | archivist | admits nothing |
| 22:17.38 | ``Erik | in the shadows... waiting to pounce |
| 22:17.45 | ``Erik | stalks his 12oz prey o.O |
| 22:17.46 | Ralith | admits everything! |
| 22:17.50 | yukonbob | like a puma? |
| 22:18.03 | Malyce2 | is bored |
| 22:18.13 | yukonbob | Malyce2: write a patch? |
| 22:18.15 | alex_joni | bored? what is that? |
| 22:18.20 | Malyce2 | how do you guys keep changing your statuses ? |
| 22:18.25 | yukonbob | model a moose? |
| 22:18.30 | Malyce2 | That's what I yam doin |
| 22:18.31 | alex_joni | a supercow |
| 22:18.38 | Ralith | a tron cycle |
| 22:18.39 | Malyce2 | That's who I am, supercow |
| 22:18.40 | ``Erik | looks at the patch ideas, bug list, todo lists, etc and wonders how ANYONE could be bored around here O.o |
| 22:18.44 | yukonbob | Ralith++ |
| 22:18.56 | Malyce2 | hey, so abt the makefile thingie |
| 22:19.07 | Ralith | boredom is what happens when you refuse to let yourself do something. |
| 22:19.14 | ``Erik | http://www.onlinegamingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/tron_guy.jpg <-- ralith |
| 22:19.42 | yukonbob | !HA |
| 22:19.46 | Malyce2 | since I am working with coreInterface, I am making my own makefile. I don't know how to link it to the already built brl-cad libraries |
| 22:19.49 | Malyce2 | no clue ? |
| 22:20.03 | ``Erik | probably something like "-L/usr/brlcad/lib -lrt" |
| 22:20.12 | Ralith | don't hardcode that though |
| 22:20.14 | Ralith | get it from pkgconfig |
| 22:20.39 | Malyce2 | I haven't done this before, and the tut's don't say anything. |
| 22:21.02 | Malyce2 | Am I not also suppose to link with the headers and C files from the main brl-cad ? |
| 22:21.03 | Ralith | you using cmake or GBS? |
| 22:21.08 | Malyce2 | GBS |
| 22:21.21 | Ralith | google up some docs |
| 22:21.30 | Malyce2 | not used to working with large projs, so noob here |
| 22:21.33 | Ralith | it's not too hard to set up a simple project and get linker flags from pkgconfig |
| 22:21.48 | Malyce2 | I'll look it up |
| 22:22.11 | yukonbob | thinks he likes cmake |
| 22:22.17 | Ralith | likes cmake too. |
| 22:22.31 | ``Erik | rt^3 should have autoconf stuff that fills that all in for you, though |
| 22:22.34 | Ralith | y'still want to use pkgconfig to get paths, though |
| 22:22.59 | Ralith | was amazed that nobody had noticed the pkg-config files were broken. |
| 22:23.03 | yukonbob | _does_ wonder why they're inventing a new language though, instead of intergrating something like python or tcl, which are finished languages with less-goffy syntax :P |
| 22:23.14 | yukonbob | *less-goofy |
| 22:23.18 | Ralith | yukonbob: fewer dependencies perhaps? |
| 22:23.29 | ``Erik | because those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it |
| 22:23.36 | yukonbob | ``Erik++ |
| 22:23.38 | Malyce2 | I am not using all of rt^3 |
| 22:23.44 | yukonbob | Ralith: tcl is so light, it's stupid. |
| 22:23.48 | Malyce2 | only CoreInterface. You recommend getting all of it ? |
| 22:23.58 | ``Erik | so? do the autoconf cycle, run ./configure, then cd into the coreInterface directory and do maket here |
| 22:24.19 | ``Erik | or build it all, once that's done, only your changes will be recompiled, unchanged stuff will just sit there |
| 22:24.43 | Ralith | yukonbob: owell. |
| 22:24.52 | Ralith | cmake is nevertheless shiny. |
| 22:25.08 | yukonbob | nods... |
| 22:25.15 | ``Erik | so're the 12 other popular auto* imitations |
| 22:25.25 | yukonbob | easier for me to wrap brain around than auto*, libtool, etc. |
| 22:27.25 | yukonbob | ``Erik: only other systems I've played with are hand-coded Makefile (great for trivial tasks), scons, and cmake |
| 22:27.47 | yukonbob | java has a few, but unfortunately are java-bases ;P |
| 22:27.51 | yukonbob | *based |
| 22:27.56 | yukonbob | (ant) |
| 22:27.57 | ``Erik | eck, ant *shudder* |
| 22:28.36 | ``Erik | auto* is one of those things where it's all magic and confusing, then there's a eureka moment and you kick yourself for not seeing it before |
| 22:28.37 | Ralith | I like cmake's skill at finding deps even with few hints and its percentful output |
| 22:28.42 | yukonbob | "enterprise" class (i.e.: requires a contract with consultants to make work reasonably) |
| 22:29.01 | Ralith | percent complete is awesome to have. |
| 22:29.04 | ``Erik | it's all really really super-simple, but it does impressive stuff... so people assume there's more to it :( it's really simple substitution rules |
| 22:29.18 | yukonbob | does _not_ like the %-full output, or the colours... but feh. |
| 22:29.24 | Ralith | colors aren't necessary |
| 22:29.39 | Ralith | but don't tell me you've never been staring at a firefox build wondering just how far along it is |
| 22:30.03 | Ralith | even if it's no ETA, it's nice to know whether you're just beginning or about to finish. |
| 22:30.12 | ``Erik | runs system update builds in another window and goes to do other stuff |
| 22:30.23 | ``Erik | staring at it won't make it go faster |
| 22:30.32 | Ralith | lies! |
| 22:30.35 | ``Erik | :D what's the phrase, a watched pot never boils? |
| 22:30.53 | Ralith | the problem is when 'other stuff' conflicts with the build |
| 22:30.56 | yukonbob | even a stoped clock gives the right time, twice a day? |
| 22:31.04 | yukonbob | a stich in time saves 9? |
| 22:31.07 | Ralith | e.g. installing other stuff, fiddling with X, rebooting for w/e reason... |
| 22:31.16 | Ralith | not common cases but really annoying when they come up |
| 22:31.18 | ``Erik | a penny saved is a penny *smacks yukonbob* |
| 22:31.19 | yukonbob | let sleeping dogs lie |
| 22:31.26 | yukonbob | LOL |
| 22:31.41 | yukonbob | is channelling "too much coffee man vs. cliche man" |
| 22:32.22 | yukonbob | ``Erik: interstingly, your reply is similar to what gave tmcm the edge in the battle. |
| 22:32.40 | ``Erik | tmcm? |
| 22:33.14 | ``Erik | too much coffee man |
| 22:33.41 | ``Erik | not on my usual webcomic rotation |
| 22:33.54 | yukonbob | http://library.buffalo.edu/libraries/asl/guides/graphicnovels/img/Coffee1.jpg |
| 22:35.52 | yukonbob | http://comixtalk.com/images/july2006/coffee2.png |
| 22:37.29 | ``Erik | or, uh, http://www.tmcm.com/comics/webcomics/001_waste ? |
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| 22:58.52 | Malyce | why is the firefox browser in ubuntu, so ridiculously slow ? |
| 22:59.08 | Malyce | it really sucks compared to firefox in windows |
| 23:02.17 | Malyce | And I don't mean the internetss . This app hangs like every 2 secs |
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| 23:19.42 | Ralith | Malyce: it's not. |
| 23:19.55 | Ralith | well, not in the sense you describe anyway |
| 23:22.09 | Malyce | maybe its because I have Ubuntu mid right now |
| 23:22.40 | Malyce | its supposed to be for Intel Atom processors. But, I find it hard to believe that any Ubuntu distro would run slower than windows |
| 23:33.25 | ``Erik | might be worth monitoring your memory and swap utilization |
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| 23:39.32 | starseeker | dreeves: IIRC, the next step for brep is incorporating Utah's trimming? |
| 23:43.18 | Ralith | Malyce: what normally causes that kind of behavior is you having far too little memory for what you're trying to do |
| 23:48.48 | Malyce | could be true. Windoze does sometimes lag, because this is a low-end machine with only 512 megs. But, its seems to handle it much better |
| 23:49.20 | Malyce | I think I will experiment with other distros, and see |
| 23:59.58 | Ralith | this is probably because you are not trying to run as many apps in windows. |
| 00:03.15 | Malyce | not true. actually I think I figured it out. Windoze I am running from SSD, Ubuntu MID from Flash mem - write speed is dramatically slower 10mbs for SSD, 1mbs for Flash |
| 00:03.35 | Malyce | A lot of swapping probably is the death of this OS then. |
| 00:04.12 | Ralith | just use a browser that doesn't take up hundreds of MB of ram |
| 00:04.15 | Ralith | i.e. anything but firefox |
| 00:04.17 | Ralith | and use a minimal WM |
| 00:05.55 | Malyce | RAM probably isn't the problem. I am guessing its the swap, because windows is quite bearable, even with many apps open. |
| 00:06.05 | Malyce | WM - working memory ? |
| 00:06.17 | Malyce | And there are better browsers than firefox ? |
| 00:06.43 | Malyce | Chrome ? |
| 00:08.36 | Ralith | 'many apps' has almost nothing to do with how much memory is in use |
| 00:08.45 | Ralith | and I never said anything about a better browser |
| 00:08.50 | Ralith | and WM means window manager. |
| 00:08.52 | brlcad | Ralith: a tron cycle would be awesome, I have some pictures from the film that shown much of the CSG that was used |
| 00:09.06 | Ralith | brlcad: yeah, I was referring to your interest. |
| 00:09.49 | Ralith | Malyce: RAM is the problem because when you run out of RAM stuff uses swap instead. |
| 00:10.48 | brlcad | Ralith: as for the pkg-config files -- I wrote them up for folks to use but since we don't/didn't use them internally, they were never tested.. |
| 00:11.18 | Ralith | ah, heh. |
| 00:11.47 | Ralith | well, once tweaked, their use made the g3d build system much cleaner/more portable. |
| 00:12.53 | brlcad | catches up |
| 00:13.15 | Ralith | sup |
| 00:13.17 | brlcad | yeah, it's nice to have them actually in use so they can stay up-to-date |
| 00:13.32 | brlcad | that was the intent after all, to use them |
| 00:14.17 | brlcad | generally a pretty long turn-around for external codes to change how they hook in to us, so figured it'd at least be there for whenever someone asks |
| 00:14.56 | brlcad | would pay for a lightcycle |
| 00:18.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34196 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS doc/docbook/system/man1/en/coil.xml src/shapes/coil.c): Add flag to change winding direction to coil tool. |
| 00:20.46 | starseeker | brlcad: that was the easy one - now I need to tackle length :-) |
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| 00:43.38 | yukonbob | is starting to think he'd pay for a build :P |
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| 01:47.17 | Malyce | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1388531 |
| 01:47.31 | Malyce | I am getting the X11 error, though I have libx11-dev |
| 01:47.48 | Malyce | libxext-dev, libxi-dev |
| 01:48.11 | yukonbob | hits road |
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| 02:23.04 | madant | :) quick dumb doubt.. say i have two list of numbers, one per line in two files any way of checking how many numbers in file a is in file b :) some simple bash thingy i mean |
| 03:14.19 | dreeves | starseeker yep that is what I'm working on I have found a couple of bugs in the opennurbs stuff that is causing problems plus how utah does trims and opennurbs is a little different but I think I'm closing in on it |
| 03:15.32 | dreeves | what is IIRC? |
| 03:22.17 | ``Erik | "if I recall correctly" |
| 03:32.29 | ``Erik | madant: yes. |
| 03:37.21 | ``Erik | both files need to be sorted, then there's a command, uh, I forget the name, but it can show 3 columns, what file A has that file B does not, what they both have, and what file B has that A does not... can't effin' remember the name of it, though :( |
| 03:45.45 | madant | ``Erik: came up with two ways :) thanks to #gsoc : cat A B|sort -n|uniq -d|wc -l |
| 03:45.54 | madant | or comm -1 -2 A B|wc -l |
| 03:46.19 | madant | ``Erik: and yeah the one you are referring to is uniq ;) |
| 03:46.32 | madant | oops comm i meant :) |
| 03:46.54 | ``Erik | yeahhhhh, comm, that's it |
| 03:48.01 | ``Erik | the 'uniq' approach will fail if numbers can be repeated in a file |
| 03:48.23 | madant | such an elusive un"common" name for such a nice program :) |
| 03:48.41 | madant | yeah, uniq has its limits |
| 03:48.58 | ``Erik | hey, it's midnight, I've been drinking beer and playing wow, that I at least had the notion is good! :D |
| 03:49.45 | madant | i am always taken by surprise by the utility of such nice simple tools :) |
| 03:50.26 | madant | unix approach always works ;) |
| 03:50.27 | ``Erik | heh, didn't you have a big bin of legos when you were a kid? |
| 03:50.27 | ``Erik | a little imagination and ya had any toy you could want, all from simple little bricks, no? :D |
| 03:51.10 | madant | was not much of a "toy" person while growing up :D |
| 03:51.23 | madant | but yeah imagination and a few brciks ;) |
| 03:51.38 | madant | like Louis I Kahn said "Each brick wants to be something" |
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| 09:56.54 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, some more polish bands for you : believe,quidam |
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| 13:26.48 | hippieindamakin8 | can somebody elaborate on the function of nmg_ckmag(....) |
| 13:39.11 | hippieindamakin8 | nvm ^ |
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| 14:49.32 | ``Erik | a/win show 2 |
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| 18:32.07 | jdoliner | can anyone tell me what a segment in a sketch looks like? |
| 18:32.18 | jdoliner | is it just an struct with start and end points? |
| 18:33.15 | jdoliner | and also does the reverse array actually get filled in? |
| 18:33.56 | pacman87 | jdoliner: depends on what type of segment it is |
| 18:34.15 | jdoliner | hmm, what types are there? |
| 18:34.16 | pacman87 | LSEG (line segment) is just start/end points |
| 18:34.43 | pacman87 | there's also circular arcs and splines |
| 18:34.48 | jdoliner | this is in rt_sketch_internal |
| 18:35.05 | jdoliner | is it allowed to have arcs and splines? |
| 18:35.08 | pacman87 | are you asking about the code or the file format |
| 18:35.10 | pacman87 | ? |
| 18:36.02 | jdoliner | I'm asking what I can do with genptr_t *segments; |
| 18:36.29 | jdoliner | the problem is that we're getting sketches where the segments aren't nose to tail |
| 18:36.47 | jdoliner | not sure if that qualifies as code or file format |
| 18:37.35 | brlcad | it's a code issue |
| 18:37.45 | jdoliner | k |
| 18:38.12 | pacman87 | i'm looking over my sketch-related code in revolve |
| 18:38.29 | brlcad | well both really -- it's whether or not something declared as "A->B, B->C, D->C, A->D" is valid |
| 18:38.53 | brlcad | right now, it's not considered 'valid' and gives bad/unexpected results |
| 18:38.58 | brlcad | even though that forms a closed loop |
| 18:39.09 | brlcad | it's just not directionally closed |
| 18:39.24 | pacman87 | i remember writing something to handle that case |
| 18:39.26 | jdoliner | right |
| 18:40.34 | brlcad | if they're considered bidirectional connections (which they probably should), then some work needs to happen during shot() or during import/export to make things work |
| 18:41.03 | pacman87 | revolve.c, lines 111 to 178 |
| 18:41.18 | jdoliner | yeah I was planning to just write something that can look at an rt_db_internal, and see if we can make a directional closed sketch out of a bidirectionally closed sketch |
| 18:41.41 | pacman87 | if the endpoint is used an odd number of times, it contains an endpoint |
| 18:41.50 | pacman87 | if it's even, it's not |
| 18:43.16 | jdoliner | in brlcad's example everything is used an even number of times |
| 18:43.38 | pacman87 | right, my code doesn't do exactly what you want |
| 18:43.53 | pacman87 | since all i needed to know was whether it was closed or open |
| 18:43.58 | jdoliner | what does rt_curve_order_segments do? |
| 18:44.14 | pacman87 | and if it was open, i use a simple algorithm to add segments so that it becomes closed |
| 18:57.58 | pacman87 | rt_curve_order_segments looks like it does what you want |
| 18:58.45 | pacman87 | though it won't tell you if the sketch was open, or if it failed |
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| 00:09.22 | dreeves2 | starseeker was there a reason you were asking about trimming or were you just curious about status? |
| 00:18.14 | yukonbob | dreeves needs to be told about bitchx, irssi, or similar, and perhaps screen and some always-on account... |
| 00:18.52 | yukonbob | dreeves: -----^ |
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| 01:15.26 | dreeves2 | hey starseeker |
| 01:21.37 | yukonbob | dreeves2: are you still 'attached' to the dreeves instance here? |
| 01:29.16 | dreeves2 | I'm not near that computer currently why? |
| 01:35.59 | yukonbob | dreeves2: just wondering why you're logged in 2x ;) -- I noticed you're earlier (and this?) client was a cgi gateway, and suggested you get irssi/screen/ and some always-on account, but apparently you're already setup :) |
| 01:36.17 | yukonbob | s/you're earlier/your earlier/ |
| 01:45.05 | dreeves2 | umm no I just downloaded another client here but that is a good suggestion I have been thinking I need to get that. I will look into that later |
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| 20:34.04 | FAMULUS | are there improvements to g-stl since version 7.12.2? |
| 20:34.35 | FAMULUS | g-stl is slow as molasses |
| 20:42.24 | tofu | FAMULUS: not any changes that will affect it's performance |
| 20:42.27 | tofu | patches welcome ;) |
| 20:44.29 | Ralith | FAMULUS: eventually it'll get deprecated by brep based stuff |
| 20:44.45 | tofu | not really, at least not g-stl |
| 20:45.11 | tofu | stl is a polygonal format -- going through the brep routines might make some things that used to fail no longer fail |
| 20:45.47 | tofu | but the reason it takes a long time is because it's trying to verify that the mesh being exported is clean with normals facing outward and solid |
| 20:46.05 | tofu | expensive operation that wouldn't go away with brep necessarily |
| 20:46.37 | tofu | FAMULUS: you could use the newer bot_dump command that is MUCH faster (as it makes absolutely no attempt to verify anything being exported |
| 20:47.02 | Ralith | I got the impression that brep would make mesh generation relatively reliable, lessening the need for verif. |
| 20:47.52 | tofu | sure, more robust for the things that presently fail (which is like approx < 1% of geometry, but prevalent enough) |
| 20:48.01 | FAMULUS | hey guys |
| 20:48.06 | tofu | still, that's just not the time-intensive step |
| 20:48.41 | FAMULUS | tofu: would bot_dump be expected to produce usable STL files? |
| 20:48.49 | tofu | you can not do that verification now (hence bot_dump), it's more supposed to be a guarantee of a solid modeling system to always import/export solid objects |
| 20:49.07 | tofu | FAMULUS: sure stl is a stupid format |
| 20:49.12 | tofu | it doesn't care |
| 20:49.28 | tofu | just if you feed that STL into another solid modeling system, it may or may not work |
| 20:49.43 | tofu | as it may or may not be solid |
| 20:49.48 | FAMULUS | my target would be a rapid prototyper |
| 20:50.17 | tofu | ideally for a rapid prototyper, I'd expect a need for solid geometry |
| 20:50.29 | tofu | but then there are lots of other variables |
| 20:50.37 | FAMULUS | tofu: ok, so g-stl is the only way to got now |
| 20:51.03 | tofu | if you have a rapid prototyping system that takes stl inputs, it may very well clean up on import too or have other ways of dealing with non-solid mesh geometry |
| 20:51.32 | tofu | no, I"d say try bot_dump out if performance is really a problem and not just an annoyance, see what the impact is |
| 20:51.49 | tofu | otherwise, make it better ;) |
| 20:51.52 | FAMULUS | tofu: ok, that's my project for today |
| 20:52.02 | tofu | the verification/closure algorithm isn't optimized, I'm sure |
| 20:52.08 | FAMULUS | tofu: my stls take like days, it's a non starter |
| 20:52.20 | tofu | how big of a mesh? |
| 20:52.31 | FAMULUS | 10,000 triangesl |
| 20:52.37 | FAMULUS | for smaller pieces |
| 20:52.39 | tofu | that's not that big |
| 20:52.42 | FAMULUS | but large ones |
| 20:52.43 | tofu | how many objects? |
| 20:52.57 | FAMULUS | good question, one sec |
| 20:54.35 | tofu | another issue, stil files are "single object" files, so if you have a hierarchy or big assembly of objects, the code has to combine them all into one collection |
| 20:54.54 | tofu | that unification can take a long (O(N^3)) time |
| 20:55.27 | FAMULUS | tofu: how do I get count directly, I can't copy from mged terminal |
| 20:56.43 | Ralith | tofu: really? I would have imagined that traversing even a large tree would be pretty fast, in human terms |
| 20:57.02 | Ralith | performing all the boolean ops on meshes, perhaps less so |
| 20:57.14 | FAMULUS | I'd guess ~200 objects |
| 20:57.43 | tofu | nothing to do with traversing the tree, it's the "merge mesh A into mesh B, performing pairwise tests across the sets, them merge in mesh C and do that again, then merge in mesh D, etd etc |
| 20:57.50 | FAMULUS | http://prometheusfusionperfection.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/chassis-redesign/ |
| 20:57.58 | FAMULUS | this is the part |
| 20:59.02 | tofu | hm, yeah -- I bet it's the way you're doing your booleans causing it to be a worst case N^3 |
| 20:59.11 | tofu | did you make any reqgions? |
| 20:59.14 | tofu | regions |
| 20:59.21 | FAMULUS | tofu: I think |
| 20:59.22 | Ralith | FAMULUS: you modeled that in mged? Nice! |
| 20:59.38 | FAMULUS | `#{mged} 'r torus_negative#{index} u torus_negative_outer#{index} - torus_negative_inner#{index} '` #this hollow center of the torus |
| 20:59.52 | FAMULUS | Ralith: ruby emitting mged commands |
| 21:00.04 | Ralith | still nice. |
| 21:00.05 | Ralith | very pretty. |
| 21:00.09 | FAMULUS | Ralith: thanks! |
| 21:00.12 | Ralith | what is it? |
| 21:00.19 | hippieindamakin8 | FAMULUS, Ralith +1 |
| 21:00.29 | FAMULUS | It's a fusion reactor core |
| 21:00.53 | FAMULUS | Ralith: about: http://prometheusfusionperfection.wordpress.com/about/ |
| 21:00.55 | Ralith | and you plan on rapid prototyping it? O.o |
| 21:01.03 | ``Erik | the topology verifier is superlinear, it's an unavoidable suck. B-rep/NURB will only make it not suck if everything is in nurbs |
| 21:01.42 | ``Erik | (make mged accept ruby statements, then we'll be impressed ;) |
| 21:01.47 | FAMULUS | Ralith: alread got test parts: http://prometheusfusionperfection.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/manifest/ |
| 21:02.15 | Ralith | cool! |
| 21:02.19 | Ralith | best of luck to you. |
| 21:03.20 | Ralith | are you expecting to get positive net energy? |
| 21:03.40 | FAMULUS | Ralith: supposedly it's possible with bussard reactor |
| 21:03.48 | FAMULUS | Ralith: my goal for now is first fusion |
| 21:03.59 | Ralith | you realize that research teams with millions in funding haven't managed that. |
| 21:04.06 | FAMULUS | Ralith: I know |
| 21:04.07 | tofu | FAMULUS: it might take a while for someone to look into it, but you could post your .g file up somewhere (maybe to the sf.net tracker) to investigate if there's something simple that can be done to speed things up |
| 21:04.22 | FAMULUS | Ralith: that's why it's so exciting |
| 21:05.51 | FAMULUS | Ralith: the fusor (the precursor to bussard reactor) has a long tradition of amateurs (14 or so) |
| 21:06.00 | FAMULUS | Ralith: so it's not unreasonable to think it possible |
| 21:07.12 | Ralith | I imagine so. |
| 21:07.22 | Ralith | nevertheless, you'll embarass a lot of people if you manage |
| 21:08.46 | Ralith | looks like you have a pretty good idea what you're doing, certainly |
| 21:09.20 | ``Erik | embarrassing a lot of people is a good thing |
| 21:09.24 | FAMULUS | Ralith: I lean alot alot every day |
| 21:09.30 | FAMULUS | learn^ |
| 21:09.34 | ``Erik | it's a loud "get your head out of your ass" |
| 21:09.40 | ``Erik | also; "a lot" is two words |
| 21:10.27 | Ralith | embarassing people is indeed positive. |
| 21:10.33 | Ralith | especially people with millions of dollars. |
| 21:11.39 | FAMULUS | Ralith: I got to get mged working before any embarassing happens!~ |
| 21:11.48 | Ralith | heh |
| 21:12.06 | FAMULUS | brb, heading to cafe. |
| 21:20.02 | Ralith | tofu: just how fast *is* bot_dump? |
| 21:20.14 | Ralith | fast enough to use it for shaded rendering? |
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| 21:25.43 | ``Erik | no |
| 21:26.04 | Ralith | damn. |
| 21:26.33 | FAMULUS | tofu: is bot_dump available in 7.12.2? |
| 21:29.52 | Ralith | FAMULUS: any reason not to update? |
| 21:30.18 | Ralith | also: I suspect most rapid prototyping services are used to recieving non-solid STLs from graphic artists and such, so you'll probably be ok |
| 21:30.45 | ``Erik | I suspect most of them charge a fair amount if they have to 'fix' the geometry |
| 21:31.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1382 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Added first draft of milestones for OpenGL GUI SoC proposal |
| 21:32.09 | Ralith | I'd be surprised |
| 21:32.11 | ``Erik | ralith: iirc, bot_dump expects bot geometry and just walks the tree dumping raw numbers |
| 21:32.13 | Ralith | but I haven't done it. |
| 21:32.30 | Ralith | ``Erik: er, so not at all useful for generating tesselations of solid models? |
| 21:32.57 | ``Erik | a sphere, for example, is not a bot, so does not dump directly. Would have to go through the NMG pass before being bot_dump-able |
| 21:33.32 | ``Erik | we have some pieces done in a 3d printer at the office, they take stl but they have to be well defined stl's |
| 21:33.56 | Ralith | well, of course. |
| 21:33.58 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: does bot_dump produce stls? |
| 21:34.03 | Ralith | brbs |
| 21:34.09 | Ralith | wtf, brlcad's not here |
| 21:34.11 | Ralith | oh well |
| 21:34.18 | ``Erik | bot_dump produces funky 'bot' files, but stl's aren't much different |
| 21:34.43 | ``Erik | uhhhhhhh, I think there's a flag to g-stl to ignore topology verification, which makes it really fast |
| 21:34.58 | ``Erik | (if not, there should be *hint* *hint*) |
| 21:36.25 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: we'll if I'm stuck with slow g-stl, I was thinking running on a ec2 instance |
| 21:36.38 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: so I can forget about it for a while |
| 21:36.51 | ``Erik | technically, BOT allows irregular geometry (the kind video game weenies like) |
| 21:37.06 | ``Erik | so bot->printableSTL requires verification |
| 21:37.15 | ``Erik | knowwutahmean,vern? |
| 21:37.21 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: which is what makes it slow |
| 21:37.31 | ``Erik | ayup :( |
| 21:37.32 | FAMULUS | so the verification ^ |
| 21:38.02 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: is BRL-CAD easy to install on ubuntu |
| 21:38.18 | ``Erik | I suspect so, famulus... I don't use linux, so *shrug* |
| 21:38.49 | ``Erik | I used to maintain the debian port, but I lost my debian box due to political cocksuckery |
| 21:39.35 | ``Erik | "linux" is in the regular maintenance path, though, so if you have the right deps installed, it should compile easy |
| 21:39.53 | FAMULUS | ok |
| 21:40.05 | ``Erik | (brlcad, starseeker and I tend to use redhat mostly, I think starseeker uses gentoo or something, as well) |
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| 21:40.43 | ``Erik | <-- hard up on fbsd, brlcad is big on osX |
| 21:40.45 | ``Erik | :) |
| 21:41.07 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: my laptop is os x, but EC2 would be ubuntu |
| 21:41.24 | ``Erik | but we all have a serious hardon for portability, so we drag it to solaris or irix once in a while, and I'm big into 'mega' unix portability, hpux and aix and those |
| 21:41.28 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: I can't let g-stl process for days, I need to close my laptop |
| 21:41.47 | ``Erik | even has an image sitting around for a BSD4.3 on vax11/780 |
| 21:41.57 | ``Erik | why do you need to close it? |
| 21:42.06 | ``Erik | I leave my macbook open for, uh, months at a whack |
| 21:42.11 | ``Erik | I only shut it down when I have to fly |
| 21:42.14 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: you know, scene changes |
| 21:42.18 | FAMULUS | going to work |
| 21:42.21 | FAMULUS | etc |
| 21:42.41 | ``Erik | huh, well, if you close your macbook, it sleeps, it doesn't shut down |
| 21:42.53 | ``Erik | so when you open it, it loads up the memory image and continues |
| 21:43.06 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 21:43.16 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: true |
| 21:43.26 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: but you can't really use it without a plug |
| 21:43.31 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: CPU pegged |
| 21:43.37 | ``Erik | "man nice" |
| 21:43.45 | ``Erik | "man batch" |
| 21:44.10 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: good idea |
| 21:44.23 | ``Erik | (leave the laptop at home *cough*) |
| 21:45.03 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: that's what servers are for |
| 21:45.07 | ``Erik | ayup |
| 21:45.29 | ``Erik | I seem to be saying "uh, start it on friday and come back on monday" a lot lately :( |
| 21:45.30 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: would a g-stil web service be useful to community? |
| 21:45.48 | ``Erik | I'd be surprised |
| 21:46.00 | ``Erik | the cost of such a service would outweigh 99.9999% folks benefits |
| 21:46.23 | ``Erik | feel free to try it, but I don't think it'd be ... profitable? |
| 21:46.57 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: so I'm the only person with this issue? |
| 21:47.15 | ``Erik | the "NMG is slow" is a known issue |
| 21:48.47 | FAMULUS | n-manifold geometry |
| 21:49.50 | ``Erik | also called "non-manifold geometry", sometimes both in the same documentation :( |
| 21:50.06 | ``Erik | (including, apparently, the original paper Muuss did) |
| 21:50.14 | Ralith | heh |
| 21:50.38 | ``Erik | was a topic of discussion last thursday or so |
| 21:50.45 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: I don't see a wikipedia article for that |
| 21:50.53 | Ralith | FAMULUS: I'd try disabling the verification in g-stl and sending off the resultant file. Worst-case scenario, they ask you to send them a fixed one. |
| 21:51.31 | FAMULUS | Ralith: what's flag for that? |
| 21:51.40 | Ralith | no idea |
| 21:51.50 | Ralith | as ``Erik says, it may not exist. |
| 21:51.52 | Ralith | might not be too hard to add. |
| 21:52.06 | Ralith | on an unrelated note |
| 21:52.09 | Ralith | ``Erik: you mentoring? |
| 21:52.28 | ``Erik | does not see such a flag |
| 21:52.42 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: vaporware |
| 21:52.43 | ``Erik | um, I'm listed as an admin and kinda thinking my roll will be admin, a mentor for mentors |
| 21:53.06 | Ralith | that probably works too. |
| 21:53.11 | Ralith | could I talk ya into reviewing my milestones? |
| 21:53.21 | ``Erik | though I'm always willing to help with spot details here :) |
| 21:53.43 | ``Erik | um, yeah, I suppose I should look at the applicants, yes |
| 21:53.47 | Ralith | hehe |
| 21:53.48 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, done with the patch ? |
| 21:53.52 | Ralith | what patch |
| 21:53.59 | ``Erik | we kinda request a patch up front |
| 21:54.08 | Ralith | oh that |
| 21:54.16 | ``Erik | to verify that you know how to code, can use the VCS, etc |
| 21:54.21 | Ralith | well, considering that I've made several miscellaneous commits in the last few weeks... |
| 21:54.21 | hippieindamakin8 | is working on it now :|.. |
| 21:54.29 | ``Erik | nothin' big, but it's a stumbling block for many |
| 21:54.30 | Ralith | I think I've got that covered. |
| 21:54.32 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, that should do i guess |
| 21:54.58 | hippieindamakin8 | loves his fresh archlinux install |
| 21:55.07 | Ralith | ``Erik: unless I actually should find myself something else to code up? |
| 21:55.13 | Ralith | perhaps this g-stl flag, even. |
| 21:55.27 | Ralith | also that reminds me |
| 21:55.42 | Ralith | FAMULUS: getting BRL-CAD running on linux is easy, even if you have to compile it by hand; I wouldn't be concerned. |
| 21:56.04 | Ralith | has ran it on every linux/unix system he's had, and it's always been one of the easiest bits. |
| 21:56.14 | FAMULUS | Ralith: ok good |
| 21:56.25 | ``Erik | if you're committing, you're already in the circle the patch is for |
| 21:56.32 | Ralith | yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 21:56.47 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, yeah watever be the case.. most debian systems have the problem of the missing libx11-dev files |
| 21:56.48 | Ralith | good to have it confirmed. |
| 21:57.02 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: er, can't you just install libx11-dev then? |
| 21:57.04 | hippieindamakin8 | gets back to work .. :P |
| 21:57.15 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: have you guys though about using github? |
| 21:57.22 | Ralith | FAMULUS: to host the repo? O.o |
| 21:57.27 | ``Erik | erm |
| 21:57.29 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: makes it easier to contribute I think |
| 21:57.33 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, yeah , u have to :) |
| 21:57.34 | Ralith | changing versioning systems would be a huge deal. |
| 21:57.40 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: well of course you do |
| 21:57.42 | Ralith | but that's trivial |
| 21:57.44 | kanzure | does the svn-to-git software even work yet? |
| 21:58.04 | ``Erik | we just went through the pain of cvs->svn, and I think we like the centralized VCS |
| 21:58.04 | ``Erik | :) |
| 21:58.04 | Ralith | does like how arch installs headers with everything, though |
| 21:58.13 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, exactly :) |
| 21:58.16 | ``Erik | effin' HATES how one of his projects has deps that require: CVS, SVN, darcs, git, ... |
| 21:58.32 | ``Erik | ralith: if you like that, check out one of the BSD's |
| 21:58.40 | ``Erik | we've been doin' it that way since, uh, the 80's |
| 21:58.40 | ``Erik | :D |
| 21:58.41 | Ralith | I used to run FreeBSD. |
| 21:58.47 | Ralith | I got tired of waiting hours for firefox to compile :P |
| 21:58.51 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 21:58.56 | Ralith | arch is a good compromise |
| 21:59.00 | ``Erik | pkg_add can grab a binary |
| 21:59.05 | Ralith | minimal and dev-friendly, but binary-friendly too |
| 21:59.20 | Ralith | sure, it *can*, but the system's really made to use sources, and binaries can lead to problems |
| 21:59.28 | ``Erik | *shrug* whatever makes you happy :) I like fbsd myself, I'm ok with letting a "portmanager -u -bu -l" run overnight |
| 21:59.42 | ``Erik | ain't in no rush these days |
| 21:59.47 | Ralith | I've been knocking back and forth between sourcebased and binbased systems for a while |
| 22:00.24 | Ralith | back on the VC subject, I have to say, it's *really* nice to be able to do local commits; helps keep commits small and focused on single logical changes, and helps keep the main repo fully functional (i.e. no half-implemented features) |
| 22:01.00 | ``Erik | hm, do it in the upstream VCS, mebbe one of your commits will be you fighting something that someone has an easy answer for |
| 22:01.15 | Ralith | huh? |
| 22:01.24 | ``Erik | if it's broken, wrap the broken stuff in #if 0, if it's a big breakage, make a branch |
| 22:01.31 | Ralith | sure, that works |
| 22:01.34 | Ralith | but it's a bit ugly |
| 22:01.53 | ``Erik | if you commit something small cuz you're struggling with a lame issue and brlcad or drossberg or I say "well, dur, just do this", that might save you many many many hours |
| 22:02.09 | Ralith | centralized versioning encourages making commits relatively large. |
| 22:02.27 | ``Erik | and my tire iron encourages keeping them small and frequent |
| 22:02.28 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 22:02.30 | Ralith | hehe |
| 22:03.29 | Ralith | so how closely are students expected to stick to their timeline? |
| 22:03.50 | Ralith | I need to write one up, but I really am not sure how much time to allocate to any given milestone. |
| 22:03.52 | ``Erik | students are expected to communicate with their mentors |
| 22:04.55 | tofu | on the contrary, to be *effective*, centralized requires small succinct commits |
| 22:05.05 | ``Erik | timelines change, that's known, *shrug* can't do anything about it, it's reality. but it's a big growing point in a developers growth to be able to admit the change happens and work around it, opposed to pretending it's a failure and trying to hiding it |
| 22:05.13 | tofu | at best a different work breakdown structure, so that you can work on small pieces that are all fully functional |
| 22:05.36 | ``Erik | tofu: to be effective, yes, but some people don't want to present code until it's "perfect" :( |
| 22:05.39 | tofu | there's nothing inherint to the system that encourages larger commits other than really bad practice |
| 22:05.41 | Ralith | tofu: I'm not sure that's always feasible. |
| 22:05.55 | Ralith | though I guess I really lack the experience to argue this very effectively |
| 22:06.05 | ``Erik | distributed VCS allows people to go hide in a corner and pretend they're good citizens |
| 22:06.22 | tofu | Ralith: i've heard that claim many a time over, but not once has it actually been shown to be true -- it's folks not wanting to change their work breakdown |
| 22:06.39 | Ralith | fine, fine |
| 22:07.13 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: I would argue that git/github lowers the barrier to entry for contribution |
| 22:07.56 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: just fork the repo and off you go |
| 22:08.06 | ``Erik | I'd argue that dvcs tends to contribute to bad behavior wrt FOSS citizenship |
| 22:08.09 | tofu | Ralith: and bot_dump isn't fast/slow -- it just dumps the data for a triangle mesh to the prescribed format |
| 22:08.12 | ``Erik | exactly! "fork the repo" is bad |
| 22:08.29 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: I say it's good! |
| 22:08.35 | tofu | it doesn't actually tessellation, you need a BoT to start with |
| 22:08.40 | Ralith | tofu: yeah, I misunderstood; thought you were proposing it as an unchecked equivalent to g-stl |
| 22:08.41 | ``Erik | you disassociate from the community when you do that |
| 22:08.57 | ``Erik | and that's the single thing that makes foss awesome, the community... you're throwing away the #1 advantage |
| 22:09.22 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: I completely disagree. If someone does some hotness it wll get merged |
| 22:09.48 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: and even before that, you can see someone is ahead of the main repo (via the graph) |
| 22:10.00 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: and sometimes it's the probem you had |
| 22:10.08 | ``Erik | I'm learning a new framework in a new language with a new editor and everything... I ask really stupid questions, frequently. I share what I'm doing often. The framework authors and gurus are updating the framework frequently, and their documentation... because of my stupidness :) it's good! |
| 22:11.00 | ``Erik | the gurus doing hotness will know how to behave with svn, the 'average' new contributor will greatly benefit and will benefit the community by making their education public |
| 22:11.01 | ``Erik | :) |
| 22:12.46 | tofu | FAMULUS: this argument of centralized over distributed is a very old and tired debate, frankly -- and not one that hasn't been considered and discussed many times over |
| 22:13.02 | FAMULUS | tofu: agreed. I don't really care |
| 22:13.03 | tofu | there are counter arguments and downsides to distributed |
| 22:13.16 | tofu | just as there are for centralized |
| 22:14.24 | tofu | code dumps are generally very unhealthy for a codebase, no matter how 'hotness' a feature is |
| 22:15.02 | tofu | especially if it's development hasn't been communicated throughout development, it is very often a foreign mismatched codebase with a near 1 bus factor |
| 22:16.01 | tofu | communication is key, and you can have healthy/unhealthy communication regardless of being distributed or centralized, with the only difference being that distributed doesn't require it and centralized exposes earlier |
| 22:16.47 | FAMULUS | tofu: how do I invoke dot_dump? |
| 22:16.52 | FAMULUS | bot_dump |
| 22:16.54 | tofu | when the dev team is small, i.e. less than 50 or so active committers, the hierarchical approach that distributed allows isn't really gained |
| 22:17.28 | tofu | are you asking and answering your own question? |
| 22:17.34 | tofu | ah, dot |
| 22:17.42 | tofu | that's the answer, bot_dump |
| 22:18.00 | FAMULUS | ok |
| 22:18.00 | tofu | added in 7.14.2 |
| 22:18.03 | FAMULUS | ah ok |
| 22:18.15 | tofu | tell me you at least tried before asking how you run "bot_dump" :) |
| 22:18.17 | FAMULUS | so for os x, I'll have to compile to get that version? |
| 22:18.50 | tofu | yes, there hasn't been a binary os x release in a while |
| 22:19.02 | FAMULUS | tofu: ok, so thats my next move |
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| 22:30.41 | ``Erik | doh, hah, karel keeps using _sushi_, for some reason, I got a mental crosswire on handle vs person |
| 23:07.51 | Ralith | mm, sushi |
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| 23:25.30 | yukonbob | reads scrollback |
| 23:26.09 | madant | is a strict non-fish-arian |
| 23:29.04 | Ralith | enjoys some easter chocolate as he works on his timeline |
| 23:29.35 | ``Erik | drinks some sunday vodka and watches tv |
| 23:36.42 | madant | just had some water :| , breakfast in 2.5 hours |
| 23:50.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1383 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Added first draft of timeline for OpenGL GUI SoC proposal |
| 23:51.11 | Ralith | heh, CIA dropped the notification before I managed to load the page. |
| 23:55.17 | brlcad | :) |
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| 00:09.58 | FAMULUS | so i seemed like I sucessfully compiled truck for OS X, but when I run mged I get Bus error |
| 00:10.05 | FAMULUS | trunk^ |
| 00:10.47 | brlcad | FAMULUS: off of an svn checkout? |
| 00:10.52 | FAMULUS | yes |
| 00:10.55 | ``Erik | bus error is insanely bad, worse than a segfault, can you provide backtrace? |
| 00:10.56 | starseeker | dreeves: sorry, off to Easter stuff |
| 00:10.57 | brlcad | what was your configure summary? |
| 00:11.01 | FAMULUS | svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 00:11.17 | brlcad | specifically, is ogl enabled or disabled? |
| 00:11.22 | brlcad | what was your configure line? |
| 00:11.44 | FAMULUS | ... |
| 00:11.56 | FAMULUS | ./configure |
| 00:11.59 | starseeker | dreeves: Mostly curious about status - I had pulled some of the code with the intent to start looking at it, but if you're ahead of me (and it sounds like you are if you're identifying differences in opennurbs vs. utah trimming) I was going to ask if there was anything I can do to help |
| 00:12.04 | brlcad | ok |
| 00:12.08 | ``Erik | heh, wow, say "bus fault" and everyone comes to life :D |
| 00:12.41 | brlcad | FAMULUS: grep "OpenGL support" config.log |
| 00:12.46 | FAMULUS | k |
| 00:13.00 | FAMULUS | configure:47790: result: OpenGL support (optional).............: no |
| 00:13.10 | brlcad | starseeker: that's the point of frequent commits -- go for it ;) |
| 00:13.20 | brlcad | it doesn't exist if it's not committed |
| 00:13.36 | brlcad | slow committers get to deal with the conflicts/mergine woes ;) |
| 00:13.42 | brlcad | FAMULUS: hrmph |
| 00:14.05 | starseeker | brlcad: no, I mean I was going to see if there was a specific conceptual question I can look into - I don't have any new code myself (yet) |
| 00:14.08 | brlcad | FAMULUS: you did an install? |
| 00:14.37 | FAMULUS | yes |
| 00:14.57 | FAMULUS | sudo make install |
| 00:15.04 | FAMULUS | mged command responds |
| 00:15.09 | starseeker | wants to do whatever he can to keep the nurbs progress going, without duplicating work if possible :-) |
| 00:15.13 | FAMULUS | but then Bus Error |
| 00:15.34 | FAMULUS | Should I svn from a tag, as opposed to trunk? |
| 00:15.43 | ``Erik | you should be on trunk |
| 00:16.03 | brlcad | FAMULUS: what about "mged -c" does that segfault too? |
| 00:17.00 | FAMULUS | lets see |
| 00:18.09 | FAMULUS | brlcad: that seems to work acctually |
| 00:18.18 | FAMULUS | Creating region id=1000, air=0, GIFTmaterial=1, los=100 |
| 00:18.46 | brlcad | oh, interesting -- you'd scripted without -c ? |
| 00:19.28 | FAMULUS | my ruby scripts use -c |
| 00:19.37 | FAMULUS | that's what I'm running now |
| 00:19.44 | brlcad | okay |
| 00:19.55 | FAMULUS | but just launching mged my_db.g |
| 00:19.56 | FAMULUS | fails |
| 00:20.21 | brlcad | so try running mged -c, attach "nu" default, then run "gui" |
| 00:20.58 | FAMULUS | are the commas line seperators? |
| 00:21.08 | FAMULUS | mged -c |
| 00:21.12 | FAMULUS | attach "nu" default |
| 00:21.23 | brlcad | when you run mged -c, it asks you |
| 00:21.27 | FAMULUS | ok |
| 00:21.29 | FAMULUS | coming up |
| 00:22.02 | FAMULUS | ok |
| 00:22.05 | FAMULUS | when I run gui |
| 00:22.07 | FAMULUS | Bus Error |
| 00:22.40 | brlcad | try again but instead with "gdb --args mged -c" |
| 00:22.50 | brlcad | "run" to start it off |
| 00:23.24 | FAMULUS | Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory. |
| 00:23.25 | FAMULUS | Reason: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at address: 0x0000005c |
| 00:23.25 | FAMULUS | 0x0012fa51 in X_open_dm (interp=0x1808c08, argc=6, argv=0xbfffb4a4) at dm-X.c:343 |
| 00:23.26 | FAMULUS | 343dmp->dm_width = |
| 00:25.22 | ``Erik | now that's interesting |
| 00:25.32 | ``Erik | but "print dmp" is ok? |
| 00:25.50 | ``Erik | does it fill dm_width ok? |
| 00:25.57 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: don't know about print dmp |
| 00:26.54 | brlcad | FAMULUS: 10.5 ? |
| 00:26.59 | ``Erik | "print" is a gdb command |
| 00:27.03 | FAMULUS | latest and greatest |
| 00:27.06 | brlcad | are you up-to-date? |
| 00:27.29 | FAMULUS | (gdb) print dmp |
| 00:27.29 | FAMULUS | $1 = (struct dm *) 0xf19960 |
| 00:28.03 | ``Erik | print *dmp ? |
| 00:28.14 | dreeves | starseeker I will status you when I get done today |
| 00:28.31 | ``Erik | you can explore quite a bit with gdb, if it notes the struct then you have a good debuggable binary |
| 00:28.58 | FAMULUS | http://pastie.org/444641 |
| 00:29.38 | FAMULUS | I'm doublechecking updates, my os is current, but I just installed dev tools, may be an update for that |
| 00:30.22 | FAMULUS | software update says I'm current |
| 00:30.35 | ``Erik | dm_width seems to be set to 0, whcih is wrong, but I don't undersatnd why you'd get a fault on it |
| 00:31.10 | ``Erik | try, uh, -F/dev/X |
| 00:31.13 | ``Erik | ? |
| 00:32.16 | FAMULUS | Undefined command: "-F". Try "help". |
| 00:32.25 | FAMULUS | where? |
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| 00:36.21 | ``Erik | rt -F/dev/Xl soemfile.g toplevel |
| 00:40.14 | FAMULUS | http://pastie.org/444651 |
| 00:43.55 | ``Erik | looks like ya didn't give a valid toplvevel solid |
| 00:44.40 | FAMULUS | one sec |
| 00:44.59 | FAMULUS | ok |
| 00:45.05 | FAMULUS | got it |
| 00:45.14 | FAMULUS | toplevel is a variable |
| 00:45.21 | FAMULUS | that produces a picture |
| 00:47.09 | brlcad | "mged -c file.g tops" will list your top level objects |
| 00:49.07 | FAMULUS | yup |
| 00:49.11 | FAMULUS | I got a render |
| 00:49.51 | brlcad | so it's not the X11 framebuffer, something specific to X11 display managers |
| 00:50.38 | Ralith | hmm. |
| 00:50.53 | Ralith | brlcad: it's trivial to determine whether a given point is inside or outside a given region, right? |
| 00:51.38 | brlcad | Ralith: sure, shoot a ray, look at that point |
| 00:52.14 | Ralith | so it'd be pretty easy to generate a voxel representation of a given volume? |
| 00:52.32 | brlcad | oh sure |
| 00:52.58 | brlcad | the g_qa code already does this effectively as to several of the 'rt*' tools |
| 00:53.04 | brlcad | just not in a clean/simple library form |
| 00:53.13 | Ralith | and then you could tesselate that for an approximate solid mesh. |
| 00:53.26 | brlcad | one of the refactoring todos is to turn gqa's code into a sampling routine |
| 00:53.36 | Ralith | you'd lose detail on hard edges, but it'd work. |
| 00:53.44 | brlcad | yep, do some dulaney triangulation, whatever |
| 00:54.15 | Ralith | and I suspect high resolutions might actually not be all that expensive |
| 00:54.35 | brlcad | that's some basic csg-to-brep approaches worked out in the 80's that do exactly that, and are even mildly interesting iff you do adaptive sampling |
| 00:54.48 | Ralith | neat! |
| 00:55.11 | brlcad | without adaptive sampling, it generates horrible tessellations or massively refined meshes |
| 00:58.20 | brlcad | Ralith: if you're really interested in that -- there's a really good paper from UNC recently ala 2007/2008 that is a big improvement |
| 00:59.30 | Ralith | I've got more immediate concerns, and I get the impression the brep stuff will be providing nice tesselation soon enough anyway; was just curious |
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| 01:02.20 | brlcad | yeah, the brep work is a non-approximation approach |
| 01:02.31 | brlcad | should be faithful |
| 01:03.08 | Ralith | shame it's not ready yet |
| 01:03.16 | Ralith | would have loved to put "Shaded rendering of geometry" on his milestones. |
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| 01:31.06 | starseeker | dreeves: cool, thanks! :-) |
| 01:51.57 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, i put in a proposal for that |
| 01:52.08 | Ralith | for what? |
| 01:52.22 | hippieindamakin8 | brep evaluation |
| 01:52.32 | Ralith | ah. |
| 01:52.36 | Ralith | cool |
| 01:52.51 | Ralith | here's to hoping it happens |
| 01:54.10 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, :) |
| 01:54.33 | Ralith | that's one of the major barriers to a truly contemporary modeler imo |
| 02:10.39 | Ralith | brlcad: let me know if you have any thoughts on my milestones/timeline |
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| 05:48.57 | dreeves | starseeker so here is the deal there is no similarities between really between how the utah code represents trims and opennurbs represents. Utah's code is very basic it just basically stores a polyline that represents the trim whereas opennurbs can be several shapes but that isn't really the part I'm struggling with. The documentation on opennurbs is limited i.e. how does the type seam vs mated vs etc.. affect the seam and the iso setting affect it. I |
| 05:48.57 | dreeves | f you can figure that out. So pretty much I think the utah will be fairly useless because they aren't close. |
| 05:51.59 | dreeves | Just to get you going if you want to work on it. you may already know this but the 2d curves are in parameter space so the idea would be to trim in parameter space much simpler problem |
| 05:52.46 | dreeves | So I'm still working on it but if you find anything out let me know. Right now I am just approximating the trim curve with a polyline for the time being |
| 07:20.55 | dreeves | starseeker ok looks like I'm having some success here |
| 07:21.03 | dreeves | yahoo |
| 07:21.11 | dreeves | still some issues here |
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| 08:28.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ddreeves70 * r34197 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: This is code that implements a crude form of the triming it causing some problems but I just want to update everyone where I'm at on trimming |
| 08:30.56 | dreeves | starseeker you can also focus on the line nurbs curve intersection code. The numintersections function in ON_nurbscurve isn't working |
| 08:55.35 | madant | hmmmm, make[2]: Entering directory `/home/d/wrk/brlcad/src/shapes' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `wire.1', needed by `all-am'. Stop. |
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| 11:40.14 | madant | mafm, is the build ok ? |
| 11:40.48 | mafm | hi |
| 11:40.55 | mafm | madant: the build? |
| 11:45.22 | starseeker | dreeves: excellent, thank you :-) |
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| 11:52.50 | madant | i am getting build error in src/shapes.. |
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| 12:10.09 | starseeker | madant: what error? |
| 12:10.40 | madant | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.07 | starseeker | you've got an old makefile |
| 12:11.59 | madant | yeah thought so.. cleaning up now :) |
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| 12:23.02 | ``Erik | http://langpop.com/ |
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| 12:41.44 | brlcad | interesting article at the top of that page |
| 12:46.36 | ``Erik | the approach and notion seemed interesting, the results *shrug* meh. Was kinda surprised that java and c++ were behind C, and how low c++ sat, but *shrug* meh :) |
| 12:48.16 | ``Erik | is rdo, gonna go across the street and check up on his car today :/ |
| 12:48.31 | ``Erik | ya wiring up the suns today? |
| 12:49.40 | ``Erik | think your ircop friend would be willing to split her logs up daily so'z we aren't moving 11 gigs of log for the great '09 bz migration? |
| 12:50.19 | ``Erik | (would probably help your home dumps, too) |
| 12:51.33 | ``Erik | tries not to notice, but big things tend to jump to fg :( |
| 12:54.51 | brlcad | yeah |
| 12:55.27 | brlcad | I rotated some of them on saturday, still need to hit up the big one though |
| 12:55.33 | brlcad | big ones |
| 12:59.09 | ``Erik | <-- unwilling to muck with those, wouldn't feel right doing anything more than saying "hey, uh, can't help but notice, you're causing some issues in this operation, can you help us?" |
| 12:59.19 | ``Erik | damn my ethics |
| 13:00.55 | ``Erik | I'm keeping the new machine up to date system wise, and doing the occasional rsync... itching to see the migration happen so I can try to get the apache stuff sorted out for my new use. let me know what more I can do to help *shrug* |
| 13:02.08 | ``Erik | like the cylons, I have a plan. And the low hanging fruit is all depending on the migration happening :D |
| 13:03.01 | ``Erik | (if irssi lacks the ability to do time sensitive log file selection, I will fucking add it) |
| 13:12.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34198 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/mirror.c: remove dead code, clean up indentation |
| 13:15.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34199 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/mirror.c: ws |
| 13:17.05 | ``Erik | wonders how much of that dead code was his |
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| 13:38.10 | brlcad | pnone |
| 13:38.36 | ``Erik | heh |
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| 14:35.20 | dreeves | startseeker have you had a chance to look at it? |
| 14:37.32 | dreeves | starseeker in the nurbs_test.g the nurbs_cyl.r is a good test case of the trimming trimming appears to be working somewhat but I'm getting surface acne |
| 14:40.13 | starseeker | dreeves: just getting at it now |
| 14:40.39 | starseeker | dreeves: IIRC, the opennurbs library deliberately doesn't provide the intersection code for a line + nurbs |
| 14:42.23 | starseeker | yeah, I ran the tests with your update |
| 14:42.38 | starseeker | getting severe acne on all of them |
| 14:43.05 | dreeves | That is the trimming if you turn off the trimming the acne will go away |
| 14:43.37 | dreeves | I'm not 100% sure right now what is causing that... |
| 14:44.07 | dreeves | especially on the end cap |
| 15:04.29 | dreeves | btw yeah they don't provide one and the one we have added isn't working numintersections method is failing I believe when it is breaking down into bezier curves Although I'm not convinced that is the problem |
| 15:05.45 | dreeves | well anyways I'm headed out for awhile |
| 15:07.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34200 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/mirror.c: remove stray 1 |
| 15:10.20 | mafm_ | madant: sorry, had to run outside. I haven't build the project for a while, so can't help :) |
| 15:11.40 | typ0 | what is the best documentation resource to learn about IGES converter status ? |
| 15:11.50 | typ0 | commit logs ? |
| 15:11.56 | typ0 | i already checked the bug-tracker |
| 15:13.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34201 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (Makefile.am primitives/table.c table.c): move table.c into the primitives directory as first step towards refactoring the API in order to hide the table itself. let primitives contain logic that is solid-specific |
| 15:15.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34202 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (Makefile.am mirror.c primitives/mirror.c): move rt_mirror() up into primitives as well since it's one of the first table calls |
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| 15:16.35 | brlcad | typ0: probably reading the source code and/or asking here -- there's not a lot of documentation |
| 15:17.07 | brlcad | commit logs might be helpful, but seeing as that's an older converter from pre-open-source days, it may be somewhat thin on details |
| 15:17.21 | brlcad | should read the two manual pages for it |
| 15:20.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34203 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/ (tankwizard/TankWizard.tcl tirewizard/TireWizard.tcl): Minor mod related to ripping out BLT. |
| 15:28.56 | madant | mafm, no problem, just needed a bit of cleaning of my files |
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| 15:36.21 | brlcad | hi Elena |
| 15:39.59 | madant | brlcad, do we (mafm, pacman87, me etc. ) who have commit access need to submit a patch ? |
| 15:40.20 | madant | and seems like Elena doesn't like you :D |
| 15:43.12 | typ0 | cool thanks |
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| 15:47.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34204 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/sysv.h src/libsysv/bcmp.c): adjust bcmp signature to match posix using void pointers and size_t |
| 15:50.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34205 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/sysv.h src/libsysv/memset.c): do the same to memset, use void and size_t to match standard |
| 15:51.49 | brlcad | madant: the purpose of the patch is primarily to make sure students are working with the code, on their way towards being integrated with the community, and working towards commit access |
| 15:52.45 | brlcad | so if you're doing and have all three of those already, then you probably have your answer |
| 15:52.46 | madant | k, so if i continue the work with MathGrammar and foundations of libged integration that works too ? |
| 15:53.09 | madant | oh and brlcad, i had a crappy knee a couple of days ago |
| 15:53.26 | brlcad | crappy knee? |
| 15:53.43 | madant | yeah knee pain after running around 9 kms.. :) |
| 15:53.46 | brlcad | and yes, working with mathgrammar and libged would be perfect |
| 15:53.59 | madant | reminded me of your knee comment regarding reaching college level speeds |
| 15:54.04 | brlcad | I get crappy knee after much less than 9kms these days :) |
| 15:54.27 | Elena | hello |
| 15:54.40 | brlcad | howdy Elena |
| 15:54.47 | madant | anyways it disappeared in a couple of days.. i have never really understood how the knee gets "hurt" and gets back on track. |
| 15:55.45 | brlcad | madant: torn ligaments that heal |
| 15:55.45 | Elena | how are you? |
| 15:55.45 | brlcad | peachy, you? |
| 15:55.45 | Elena | fine |
| 15:56.33 | brlcad | nice to see that you made it onto irc finally :) |
| 15:56.45 | Elena | :) |
| 15:57.38 | dreeves | starseeker fyi just for kicks and grins I only looked at the endcaps for the cylinder and I just special case treated the trims like circles it worked perfectly that is just a simple distance check (I just happen to know those trims are circles) so maybe my approx. is causing more problems than I realized |
| 16:03.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Cyl special trim.png]]": Don't get excited this is very special case trimming. |
| 16:04.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34206 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): remove bcmp() from libsysv (which was added for windows compatibility) as there is a c89 equivalent (that should be available on windows). just use memcmp() instead. |
| 16:04.40 | brlcad | gets excited |
| 16:05.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1385 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 16:05.22 | brlcad | purdy |
| 16:06.54 | dreeves | yeah don't get excited that is a very special case trim |
| 16:07.22 | dreeves | I just wanted to prove to myself it wasn't something else goofy going it wasn't |
| 16:07.52 | dreeves | it is my line nurbs curve intersection isn't working very well |
| 16:09.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34207 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/ (2 files in 2 dirs): remove bcmp.c from windows build files |
| 16:09.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34208 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libsysv/CMakeLists.txt: remove bcmp.c, no longer needed/included |
| 16:10.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34209 10/brlcad/trunk/src/gtools/g_diff.c: no longer need sysv.h |
| 16:10.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34210 10/brlcad/trunk/src/canon/canonlib.c: last usage of bcmp(), converted to memcmp(). |
| 16:13.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34211 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: update rtwizard bug items (now works with perspective, doesn't seem to hang with latest, and confirmed line overlay problem) |
| 16:18.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34212 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (. include/ misc/): ignore configure-generated files |
| 16:20.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34213 10/brlcad/trunk/src/shapes/: ignore coil binary |
| 16:24.34 | brlcad | typ0: http://brlcad.org/OLD/reports/arl-tr-315/index.html |
| 16:24.40 | brlcad | almost forgot about that report |
| 16:24.53 | brlcad | notes the strong need for more organized docs on the website |
| 16:46.39 | typ0 | sweet |
| 16:46.42 | typ0 | cheers |
| 17:19.33 | brlcad | hmm |
| 17:19.52 | brlcad | hmm2 |
| 17:34.11 | brlcad | begins a rotatable logfile configuration for sportchick |
| 17:39.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34214 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (32 files in 4 dirs): |
| 17:39.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Removed the basic, intermediate and advanced modes. Removed the canvas menus, |
| 17:39.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: hierarchy label, attributes label and the collapse/expand buttons. Moved the |
| 17:39.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: view/edit toolbar items to the primary toolbar. Turned off tearoff menus. |
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| 17:50.46 | dreeves2 | starseeker I am not at my computer that I'm connected to irc on so if you have written anything I can't see it |
| 17:51.32 | dreeves2 | but anyway I have thought of a much better way to evaulate the point in the curve that won't require us to modify opennurbs I'm going to work on that when I get a chance later today |
| 17:53.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34215 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob made a slew of major gui changes to archer including the removal of the distinct experience levels. |
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| 18:17.29 | brlcad | thinks fbsd is fs-confused |
| 18:17.41 | ``Erik | ? |
| 18:17.57 | brlcad | it is spewing filesystem full messages |
| 18:17.59 | ``Erik | old old OLD ufs is very slow about updating free lists |
| 18:18.08 | brlcad | various loggers |
| 18:18.18 | brlcad | httpd, irssi, user logging |
| 18:18.21 | ``Erik | but youd' have to be fucktarded enough to run an ancient version to see that, like 5 series |
| 18:18.22 | ``Erik | :D |
| 18:25.16 | brlcad | still, pretty severe bug |
| 18:25.20 | brlcad | probably needs an fsck |
| 18:25.30 | brlcad | can that be run safely while live? |
| 18:25.49 | ``Erik | uhmmmmm, I don't recall if the snapfs was there on 5.2.1 :( |
| 18:26.25 | brlcad | something is seriously hosed with 1.5GB free and it vomiting filesystem full messages |
| 18:26.53 | ``Erik | usually it just took a few minutes to put everything into the free list |
| 18:27.08 | ``Erik | yeah, you have the snapfs man pages |
| 18:27.14 | brlcad | there's been 1.5GB free for days |
| 18:27.35 | ``Erik | df is reading free mem |
| 18:27.43 | ``Erik | smoething must be borked up |
| 18:29.55 | brlcad | basically running bzip2 on all her old log files one at a time -- each new file seems to generate a dozen or more full messages |
| 18:30.05 | brlcad | yet bzip2 completes successfully |
| 18:30.17 | brlcad | and even as more space is freed up, still spews |
| 18:30.45 | brlcad | well, I'll let this run spewing for a few hours |
| 18:31.00 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: I answered your comments at Student Proposal |
| 18:31.02 | brlcad | should free up about 4GB |
| 18:31.04 | ``Erik | yeah, ya got free space, shouldn't be throwing those alerts |
| 18:31.20 | brlcad | and make syncing better down the road |
| 18:31.25 | brlcad | (more importantly) |
| 18:31.32 | brlcad | for post migration woes |
| 18:32.07 | ``Erik | heh, pine just bitched at me on that machine |
| 18:34.18 | ``Erik | I d'no, it shouldn't be bitching about that. mebbe it was a bug in that version, 5.2.1 was a quick 'fix some other bugs' release, the ONLY release I've ever seen wih the third number |
| 18:34.38 | ``Erik | is mostly using 7.2 |
| 18:35.01 | brlcad | I can't find hint of it on-line yet though |
| 18:35.15 | brlcad | would have thought plenty of others would have filled up a disk if it was a simple bug |
| 18:37.13 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't know, it may require an fsck to regenerate the free block list :( |
| 18:37.49 | brlcad | heh, up to 1.7 free and still bitching :) |
| 18:38.10 | brlcad | seems to be slightly less though |
| 18:38.46 | starseeker | dreeves2: cool! |
| 18:44.46 | ``Erik | argues for rapid migration instead of fixing the old stuff O.o |
| 19:01.29 | dreeves2 | starseeker did you see the image of the cylinder I uploaded. Basically Ignored all trims except for the end cap trims and then I used a circle to represent the trims that obviously worked great but I think this idea I have should work |
| 19:01.44 | starseeker | yes |
| 19:01.55 | starseeker | how do you plan to make it general? |
| 19:27.33 | dreeves2 | look at closest point to the intersection point then calculate a direction vector from that point to the intersection point then compare the normal at that point and the direction vector if they are pointing the same direction then the point is outside the curve this makes a couple of assumptions but conceptally that is how it would work |
| 19:31.31 | dreeves2 | Does that make since? |
| 19:31.55 | starseeker | you mean the closest point on the trimming loop? |
| 19:32.00 | dreeves2 | yes |
| 19:32.30 | dreeves2 | This is a methon on ON_Curve that will give you that |
| 19:33.16 | starseeker | hmm. |
| 19:33.54 | starseeker | would need to ask Ed about that one |
| 19:33.58 | dreeves2 | obviously we will have to deal some special cases and check orientation |
| 19:34.09 | dreeves2 | of the loop |
| 19:34.11 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:35.41 | dreeves2 | Yeah I tried to give Ed a call to see what he thought but I couldn't get him on the phone and I have meetings I had to join. If you get his feedback I would like to hear what he had to say |
| 19:35.59 | ``Erik | eh? |
| 19:36.41 | starseeker | if you like I can ask him when a good time to call would be - I don't want to garble it in translation and he will have questions |
| 19:37.15 | ``Erik | ed is effin' brilliant, we kinda try to protect him... how the fuck do you think you have a direct line to him? |
| 19:38.16 | dreeves2 | what? |
| 19:38.27 | starseeker | ``Erik: he's talked to Ed before |
| 19:39.04 | ``Erik | aight *shrug* ed is a valuable resource, not one to be squandered |
| 19:41.01 | ``Erik | <-- a little protective :) |
| 19:41.30 | dreeves2 | I thought brep was #1 priority how is asking him a question about it squandering him? |
| 19:41.36 | starseeker | it isn't |
| 19:42.06 | ``Erik | I'm being reactionary... if it's a good brep question, then it's all good |
| 19:42.27 | starseeker | dreeves2: if I understand correctly, you're proposing to use the normal ON the trimming curve? |
| 19:43.19 | starseeker | isn't quite seeing it... |
| 19:43.22 | dreeves2 | yes |
| 19:43.25 | ``Erik | I kinda joined in half through a discussion, saw a request for a limited resource, so'z I threw the 'zomfg wtff' card down, I apologize :) |
| 19:44.42 | starseeker | dreeves2: taking a flat plane as an example, how would the normal on the trimming curve be any different from the normal at any possible intersection point (in or out of the trimming curve?) |
| 19:45.10 | dreeves2 | hang on having to think about something here |
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| 19:56.00 | dreeves2 | ok at any point on the curve we should be able to calculate a normal it will be in the plane of the curve. |
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| 20:22.26 | dreeves2 | It would be the normal at the point returned from the closest point |
| 20:22.48 | dreeves2 | Are you following now? |
| 20:42.17 | dreeves2 | ``Erik just for my clarification who is the "we" you were referring to in the statement "we kinda try to protect him"? |
| 20:43.18 | ``Erik | core dev team, brlcad and ed are valuable resource, I try to defend them |
| 20:45.48 | louipc | ``Erik: are you squanderable? :P |
| 20:46.02 | ``Erik | sure |
| 20:46.11 | louipc | haha kidding |
| 20:46.38 | dreeves2 | How did that become your responsiblity? :) |
| 20:46.53 | ``Erik | as far as brlcad development goes, I'll throw my arse under the bus |
| 20:47.01 | louipc | he's the front-line |
| 20:48.32 | ``Erik | I have 99% of the answers, I think the folk who have the other 1%... their time is more valuabe than mine, so I'll step up |
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| 21:04.51 | dreeves2 | the cgi:irc stuff sucks but I have to deal with here because of the firewall stuff here |
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| 21:30.50 | brlcad | looks like there are a variety of fs errors |
| 21:30.52 | brlcad | http://paste.bzflag.bz/m5bb418a3 |
| 21:41.26 | brlcad | wow, and it gets a lot worse |
| 21:43.38 | brlcad | too much to even copy paste.. looks like thousands of issues |
| 21:44.07 | brlcad | that certainly bumps up the migration priority even more |
| 21:44.23 | brlcad | this isn't fixable without a shutdown |
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| 21:51.25 | starseeker | hope I didn't cause any trouble - had to do a quick svn checkout in tmp |
| 21:51.33 | starseeker | I erased it pronto |
| 21:55.17 | brlcad | different filesystem |
| 21:55.45 | brlcad | the /usr partition is the one with problems |
| 21:55.49 | starseeker | the wildcat-cad svn checkout started working, wanted to make sure to grab a copy |
| 21:55.50 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:56.16 | louipc | ouch |
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| 22:07.06 | Ralith | wow, that openbook screenshot looks nice! |
| 22:09.22 | Ralith | what allows the edges to be drawn so selectively? |
| 22:09.45 | starseeker | to be honest, I'm surprised it worked that well |
| 22:10.08 | brlcad | ``Erik: are you willing to be listed as a mentor for anyone? |
| 22:10.23 | brlcad | if so, you should mark the "I'm willing" checkbox |
| 22:10.43 | brlcad | if not, have to evaluate who will be mentoring then and maybe need to drop a slot |
| 22:16.14 | ``Erik | I can, not what I envisioned myself as doing this rotation, though |
| 22:18.56 | brlcad | what did you envison yourself doing? :) |
| 22:19.07 | jonored | brlcad: There is a GSoC proposal submitted from me for boolean evaluation of CSGs with the same name (Jonathan Gibbons, nick jonored), but I'm finding that I'm too swamped by a very harsh semester both academically and not, and haven't been able to properly complete the expected pre-acceptance work and really address robustness issues with what I was thinking for an approach. Hopefully I can try properly next year :) |
| 22:20.22 | brlcad | jonored: okay, letting us know is really very much appreciated |
| 22:21.04 | brlcad | jonored: maybe you can get involved throughout the year before gsoc next year |
| 22:21.29 | brlcad | a sure-fire way to help get selected is to already be involved :) |
| 22:22.05 | jonored | I've got a summer that I'm not taking classes over to have a break from coursework and academic projects to do some code :) |
| 22:25.36 | brlcad | sounds like a fun summer :) |
| 22:27.14 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, so wat do you say about the robustness ? |
| 22:27.38 | hippieindamakin8 | w.r.t what we have discussed alongside the application |
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| 23:06.58 | poolio | allo all |
| 23:14.47 | brlcad | howdy |
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| 23:19.05 | Ralith | hey jonored! |
| 23:19.06 | Ralith | how goes |
| 23:24.22 | jonored | Ralith: Not great, but that's to do with said terrible semester. |
| 23:24.37 | poolio | brlcad: so how many of the slots are you taking? :) |
| 23:29.57 | Ralith | jonored: over soon, at least? |
| 23:34.47 | jonored | Over soon. Hopefully ending with a degree, if not the two that I was aiming for. |
| 23:49.47 | brlcad | poolio: depends on how many of the existing mentors step up and mark that they're willing to mentor a given application |
| 23:56.27 | typ0 | does anyone know a place where i can get the IGES 5.2 standard full document ? |
| 00:21.15 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: what do you mean? |
| 00:22.05 | brlcad | typ0: I could probably put in a request to obtain it through ARL if it comes to it, but I'd imagine that there are at least some resources on-line |
| 00:22.44 | typ0 | yeah |
| 00:22.54 | typ0 | i've been tracking them down |
| 00:23.14 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: the fact that the final decision lies here goes without saying :) it's more "why do you want to do it that way" versus some other way |
| 00:23.14 | typ0 | and all i got were general descriptions of what changed between 5.2 and 5.1 |
| 00:23.49 | typ0 | but no full document of either version so i can understand better what is the change involved |
| 00:23.53 | brlcad | it'll all get taken into consideration when the final reviews and rankings go in, and patch submissions are evaluated |
| 00:25.03 | brlcad | typ0: er, but 5.3 is linked on the wikipedia page no? |
| 00:25.18 | typ0 | yes |
| 00:25.26 | typ0 | but since we are at 5.1 level support |
| 00:25.37 | typ0 | i will need to first implement the 5.2 changes right ? |
| 00:26.15 | typ0 | my plan was getting 5.1/5.2 full documents |
| 00:26.20 | typ0 | and with the help of the changes list |
| 00:26.55 | typ0 | check which area changed, how it changed, and read the appropriate code |
| 00:31.30 | brlcad | doesn't matter so much to know what is/isn't supported through a given change as just supporting everything new |
| 00:31.39 | brlcad | if anything, you have an option for 5.1 and another for 5.3 |
| 00:31.57 | brlcad | but most of the point updates have been incremental additions |
| 00:32.05 | brlcad | not really removing things that we might be exporting |
| 00:34.47 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad : when you said "necessary ", i would rather justify that point as better accuracy ==> better modelling at the cost of computation to some extent. |
| 00:36.07 | brlcad | it's not to some extent |
| 00:36.11 | brlcad | it's to a massive extent |
| 00:36.23 | brlcad | that's why it needs more articulate justification |
| 00:37.02 | brlcad | otherwise most of our apps would simply just use fixed/infinite precision math all the time instead of floating point |
| 00:37.04 | typ0 | cool thanks |
| 00:37.22 | brlcad | the reality is that it's often very impractical and makes some things practically impossible |
| 00:38.31 | brlcad | if it's going to take several hours to evaluate a single BREP/BREP CSG boolean, that's not very useful or practical no matter how accurate or robust it is, for example |
| 00:38.55 | brlcad | an extreme example of course, but not outside of what is possible with that approach |
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| 00:48.37 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, :P |
| 00:50.29 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, as a matter of fact i plan on implementing accurate and floating pt. math and benchmark them and go with the floating point calculations first |
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| 01:35.07 | hippieindamakin8 | i submitted a routine which isnt exactly a patch but it is from the list of todo s . |
| 01:36.59 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: the one you were going to finish by sunday? :) |
| 01:37.16 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, yeah |
| 01:37.18 | hippieindamakin8 | :| |
| 01:38.03 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, too much of academic load :| (but the best part is i ll get done with the exams by next weekend) |
| 01:38.10 | brlcad | understandable :) |
| 01:38.28 | hippieindamakin8 | 7 full credit courses :P |
| 01:38.55 | brlcad | decent load |
| 01:40.23 | Axman6 | 7? what're you doing man :| |
| 01:40.34 | Axman6 | people who do 5 here are crazy |
| 01:42.03 | hippieindamakin8 | Axman6, , had to ,to graduate this may considering i flunked a couple of courses last year because of my idiocracy.(and low attendance) the classes were at 8am and 9 |
| 01:42.17 | Axman6 | ew |
| 01:42.18 | hippieindamakin8 | *considering that |
| 01:42.34 | Axman6 | 10's my earliest start this semester |
| 01:42.52 | hippieindamakin8 | working on a presentation rt now . have one in 12 hrs. |
| 01:42.59 | hippieindamakin8 | rather term paper |
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| 01:47.07 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: when does your semester start? |
| 01:47.29 | brlcad | sounds like you should take a summer class to ease the load |
| 01:47.30 | hippieindamakin8 | spring in december last week and fall in the last week of july |
| 01:48.14 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, naah i should be done in this semester the way has been going so far |
| 01:50.29 | Axman6 | assumes he's taking all arts courses, so the work load isn't that bad at all :P |
| 01:51.09 | hippieindamakin8 | hehe Axman6 i am out of all the humanities ,btw all my humanities have been arts => a minor in arts |
| 01:51.46 | hippieindamakin8 | Axman6, as open electives i took some sophomore courses of mathematics to ease up load |
| 01:52.51 | hippieindamakin8 | and some easier courses like robot dynamics , optimization , energy systems. the only course i fear rt now is computational geometry |
| 01:57.06 | AlexandreGuedes | hi |
| 01:57.23 | AlexandreGuedes | to fix it "g-vrml ignores bots that are created with dxf-g" |
| 01:57.36 | AlexandreGuedes | can someone help me ? |
| 02:04.49 | dreeves | starseeker that approach seemed to work for the cylinder |
| 02:05.30 | dreeves | brlcad I got the cylinder rt the way it is in the image without the special case trim |
| 02:07.56 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: you have to be much more specific |
| 02:08.08 | brlcad | dreeves: awesome |
| 02:08.16 | brlcad | what'd it take? |
| 02:12.14 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: the problem would be in g-vrml |
| 02:12.29 | starseeker | dreeves: cccoooolll! |
| 02:12.37 | starseeker | what does it do with the tube? |
| 02:13.55 | AlexandreGuedes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.53 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: "a familiar strategy"? learn the basics of using both those tools, reproduce the problem, understand the problem, review the code, walk through suspect routines with a debugger, fix the problem |
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| 02:16.51 | AlexandreGuedes | maybe this function bot2vrml in g-vrml |
| 02:18.23 | dreeves | I have tried the tube let me clean up a little then I will tackle the other geometries |
| 02:18.32 | dreeves | s/have/have not |
| 02:19.58 | starseeker | awesome :-) |
| 02:20.12 | starseeker | does ritual geek bow |
| 02:20.37 | dreeves | it is nice to finally see it trim without hacks!! |
| 02:21.02 | dreeves | returns geek bow |
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| 02:22.42 | AlexandreGuedes | I am reproducing the error here |
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| 02:23.20 | dreeves | now the next big challenge is to figure out to interrupt the other attributes of the various trims |
| 02:23.45 | starseeker | interrupt? |
| 02:25.42 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: there are different types of bots -- some 'solid' some 'shells' and a few others -- find out which ones each exports/imports and how the routines work with those types |
| 02:27.47 | AlexandreGuedes | ok I'm doing some test |
| 02:35.32 | dreeves | s/interrupt/interpret/ |
| 02:35.41 | dreeves | I can't spell |
| 03:04.23 | dreeves | starseeker the tube isn't working yet because I'm dealing with inner loops any different than outer loops all the cylinder's loops are outer basically inner loops you trim the opposite what you trim with inner loops |
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| 03:06.59 | cad02 | any mentors here |
| 03:09.36 | cad02 | is there Sir Christopher Sen Morrison |
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| 03:11.36 | cad02 | any mentors for brl-cad please |
| 03:13.46 | Ralith | cad02: be patient. |
| 03:13.57 | Ralith | this is not, as they say, a call center. |
| 03:16.07 | cad02 | so what shoud i do for that,i want to talk to brl-cad mentor,its urgent please |
| 03:17.00 | louipc | cad02: you may want to send an email to the brlcad-devel mailing list |
| 03:22.22 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 03:22.23 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 03:22.32 | brlcad | bah |
| 03:23.40 | brlcad | highly suspects it's an applicant that was recently reprimanded |
| 03:41.53 | deeeffache | i never knew there was a british knight on the dev team |
| 03:42.24 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:44.46 | poolio | deeeffache: AHAHA, I was just typing in "Apparently you've been knighted, brlcad" but you beat me to it |
| 03:53.12 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, im still stuffed from Fogo de Chao |
| 03:59.58 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: heh |
| 04:00.30 | brlcad | is sure there is still some meat in his belly from there |
| 04:01.08 | starseeker | we'll have to get brlcad a coat of arms that uses mossworld |
| 04:01.54 | brlcad | already has a 'Morrison' coat of arms, Scottish heritage ftw |
| 04:02.54 | starseeker | cool! |
| 04:09.32 | poolio | awesome. |
| 04:14.06 | typ0 | sorry to interrupt... |
| 04:14.30 | typ0 | are there any issues with IGES 5.1 left to solve ? |
| 04:21.24 | brlcad | typ0: nothing specific comes to mind, but wouldn't really know without having a slew of iges 5.1 files to test out |
| 04:25.18 | bjorkintosh | woohoo! i'm gonna see sonny rollins |
| 04:38.55 | typ0 | yeah |
| 04:39.20 | typ0 | they have a lot of files to test in www.iges5x.org |
| 04:39.32 | typ0 | i'll add a phase to my timeline for this testing |
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| 04:51.03 | dreeves | sweet the tube looks like tube now trims appear to be fully functional! |
| 04:51.38 | dreeves | slow but noting a little prepping and subdivision couldn't improve |
| 05:04.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ddreeves70 * r34216 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: this appears to have the trims implemented correctly now. Pretty slow needs some work to make faster but a good first cut. |
| 05:07.00 | dreeves | starseeker which one of the files should I test with from http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/CAD_MODELS/VIA_OpenBook/ |
| 05:16.22 | dreeves | starseeker nevermind I found what I was looking for |
| 05:35.25 | typ0 | does brl-cad support having BREP Objects as CSG Primitives ? |
| 06:12.00 | Ralith | brlcad: with an approach to communication like that, one can see why. |
| 06:15.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1386 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 06:18.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded a new version of "[[Image:Brep Cylinder.png]]" |
| 06:19.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Dented Sphere.png]]" |
| 06:20.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1389 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 06:21.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Ellipsoid.png]]" |
| 06:22.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1391 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 06:24.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1392 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 06:25.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Paraboloid.png]]" |
| 06:27.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1394 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 06:28.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded a new version of "[[Image:Brep Pipe.png]]" |
| 06:29.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Rebuilt Sphere.png]]" |
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| 06:32.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Sph Cyl 1.png]]" |
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| 06:37.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Sphere.png]]" |
| 06:38.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1403 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
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| 06:43.49 | dreeves | starseeker brlcad I have updated the wiki with raytraced images some issues I need to investigate but at least now I don't think it is trims causing the problem |
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| 06:46.47 | dreeves | I'm working to see if I can raytrace d2.g |
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| 06:50.48 | brlcad | typ0: yes, we have a new 'brep' primitive being implemented |
| 06:54.29 | dreeves | brlcad i put the tube image on wiki |
| 06:56.50 | brlcad | dreeves: yeah, I saw! |
| 06:57.03 | brlcad | pretty cool -- is that an inner trim with an outer trim? |
| 06:57.10 | brlcad | how's the top handled? |
| 06:57.11 | dreeves | yes |
| 06:57.17 | brlcad | awesome |
| 06:57.50 | brlcad | so you do some left/right parity test on the trims to determine if it's a hit? |
| 06:58.30 | dreeves | I find the closest point on the trim to the hit point in uv space |
| 06:59.06 | dreeves | then I get the normal at that point and make direction vector from the closest point to the hit point then compare the normal to the dir vector |
| 06:59.31 | dreeves | if they are pointing the same dir then the point is outside the curve |
| 07:00.09 | brlcad | for an outer trim, how's that help testing against an inner trim? |
| 07:00.20 | brlcad | or worse, nested trims |
| 07:00.33 | dreeves | well inner trims are nested |
| 07:00.50 | dreeves | at least they are in opennurbs |
| 07:01.20 | dreeves | same check |
| 07:01.23 | brlcad | right, but case of having an inner trim that has another outer trim inside of it |
| 07:01.40 | brlcad | a post running through your tube example's hole |
| 07:02.11 | dreeves | yeah the difference of the 2 is that an inner you throw away hits inside vs outside |
| 07:02.34 | dreeves | it actually is pretty simple |
| 07:03.20 | dreeves | the first loop is always an outer trim and all the others according to what I read are holes... |
| 07:04.09 | dreeves | Actually have no rays on the tube where I have an odd number of hits |
| 07:04.38 | dreeves | for that matter none on any of the geometries except I had 2 on the dented sphere |
| 07:05.05 | dreeves | I think that is from the singularity trims |
| 07:05.07 | brlcad | right, but iirc, you can have holes in your holes (resulting in non-holes hits inside) |
| 07:05.52 | dreeves | remembers someone saying you can't dig a hole in hole :) |
| 07:05.55 | brlcad | might be misremembering, but recall going over the need for testing all the curves to determine if the point was trimmed |
| 07:06.10 | brlcad | a pseudo parity test of sorts (but not really) |
| 07:06.17 | dreeves | I'm just joking btw |
| 07:06.23 | dreeves | I know what you are asking |
| 07:06.55 | brlcad | does end up being parity in UV space iirc, a straight line in any direction |
| 07:07.04 | dreeves | Yeah I do check every trim every time unless I determine the point is trimmed |
| 07:07.37 | dreeves | not the way I did it the code that was there previously definitely went that way |
| 07:08.03 | dreeves | but I decided against that was having to many problems with tolerance issues |
| 07:08.30 | dreeves | my special case trim lead me down that path |
| 07:09.03 | brlcad | maybe just need an even more 'special case' :) |
| 07:09.55 | dreeves | Well knock on wood so far every test case I have thrown at it it is handling the trims looks like we still have some issues with normal on some of the spheres |
| 07:10.34 | brlcad | yeah, the dented sphere looks pretty wrong |
| 07:10.54 | dreeves | I'm fairly sure those are normal issues because if it was missing hit points I would be getting odd number of hits which I'm not |
| 07:12.03 | dreeves | I think I'm getting those issues near face boundaries but I'm not sure yet |
| 07:13.16 | dreeves | would you say that dent looks right or not? Maybe I should build an actual dent sphere and compare |
| 07:15.20 | brlcad | doesn't look right to me |
| 07:15.34 | brlcad | edges seem too dark, highlight is peculiar |
| 07:15.50 | brlcad | almost like it's bulging out instead of in |
| 07:16.31 | dreeves | probably should maybe rt from different angles like from the side then it will be obvious what is going on |
| 07:21.52 | dreeves | the code is very much in prototype form right now btw |
| 07:22.56 | brlcad | it's quite possible that it's actually correct too, just a lot of unnatural distoration due to lacking global illumination |
| 07:23.37 | dreeves | right I'm more concerned with what looks like the 2 rips in the surface |
| 07:24.05 | dreeves | the rebuilt sphere is showing the problem as well |
| 07:24.18 | dreeves | Do you know where those test cases came from? |
| 07:28.33 | dreeves | The rips could be from tolerances I guess I will focus on that next. I'm going to leave the rt of starseeker's d2.g (the laptop part) i think if it works will probably take hours |
| 07:28.49 | brlcad | not quite the same setup, but interesting nonetheless: http://brlcad.org/tmp/dented_sph.png |
| 07:29.17 | brlcad | so maybe it is right |
| 07:29.46 | brlcad | though interesting that the lights are that different |
| 07:30.55 | dreeves | are you certain that you got all the dimension the same? |
| 07:31.03 | brlcad | not at all |
| 07:31.10 | brlcad | just eyeballed up something similar |
| 07:31.25 | dreeves | yeah you case makes its point though |
| 07:31.48 | dreeves | but the difference in dimension could explain the difference in the lighting |
| 07:31.59 | brlcad | yep |
| 07:32.48 | brlcad | betting the 3dm one is probably pretty tiny |
| 07:33.02 | dreeves | This is where I wish I had direct access to more powerful machines I think I could definitely trouble shoot these more complex examples |
| 07:33.32 | dreeves | Yeah very small I think |
| 07:33.48 | dreeves | faster is what I meant to say |
| 07:34.14 | dreeves | I think I will be able to trouble shoot them but I'm going to have to optimize just to be able to troubleshoot |
| 07:35.44 | dreeves | I think we are making good progress what do you think? |
| 07:36.00 | brlcad | fantastic progress |
| 07:36.23 | brlcad | and 'we' is being very generous -- 'you' are making great progress |
| 07:36.29 | brlcad | nice work |
| 07:37.03 | dreeves | thanks |
| 07:37.30 | brlcad | welp, I have a presentation to finish up for later today, ttyl! |
| 07:37.45 | dreeves | but I wasn't hamming for a compliment I was just curious because you had seen previous attempts at this and I was interested in your view of comparsion |
| 07:38.20 | brlcad | the devil is in the robustness |
| 07:38.28 | dreeves | agreed |
| 07:38.48 | dreeves | ok well ttyl I have to grab some sleep I have early meetings |
| 07:39.14 | brlcad | previous efforts were also quick to show quick progress on sample cases, but then every new sample introduced a new problem, often conflicting .. and the spagetti and tolerance tweaking hell begins :) |
| 07:39.59 | brlcad | your efforts are pretty quick, though, great to see |
| 07:40.19 | dreeves | yeah I'm not going to be happy until we get some much larger examples going but I want to clean up the small ones first |
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| 11:50.58 | starseeker | dreeves: yeah, the d2 model I've only successfully raytraced overnight |
| 11:51.25 | starseeker | I think there are something like 20+ minutes of prep time - can't recall how long the actual raytrace took |
| 11:52.13 | starseeker | once that one is working I'll do a proper import of the openmoko model as openNURBS files and then we can really have some fun ;-) |
| 12:50.21 | dreeves | starseeker yeah the rt still isn't handling that one yet. Did you see the update on the wiki of the tube? |
| 12:59.53 | brlcad | groves to Only by NiN |
| 13:00.49 | kanzure | hah. |
| 13:00.53 | kanzure | I now knight you, sir brlcad |
| 13:03.46 | brlcad | bows |
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| 13:24.15 | starseeker | hrm - segmentation fault on the d2 raytrace here |
| 13:26.22 | starseeker | dreeves: yeah, saw the tube - awesome! :-) |
| 13:27.26 | starseeker | groans as he realizes he needs to stop by the bank |
| 13:27.30 | starseeker | yuck |
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| 14:50.07 | brlcad | hi Elena |
| 14:50.50 | Elena | hello |
| 14:50.56 | Elena | one sec |
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| 15:58.02 | starseeker | reclaims his name |
| 16:00.18 | pacman87 | and the thrown? or do you have to raise an army first? |
| 16:00.36 | pacman87 | er, throne |
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| 16:07.18 | louipc | Sir Morrison will defend your honour. |
| 16:15.33 | dreeves2 | Hey brlcad or starseeker did ed see the trimmed breps yet? I'm curious about his feedback |
| 16:17.37 | ``Erik | grumbles, reads, and grumbles some more |
| 16:19.17 | ``Erik | this is sad, I'm seein' crap in email before the irc excahnge that caused it heh |
| 16:20.10 | ``Erik | yes, sir morrison will grab a lance and jump on a horse |
| 16:20.12 | ``Erik | :D |
| 16:23.53 | ``Erik | ponders the cultural swath of this all |
| 16:23.56 | brlcad | wants a lance and a pony |
| 16:24.26 | ``Erik | waren't all too long ago that such a form was highly praising in the anglo culture, y'know? |
| 16:24.46 | ``Erik | totally has to give brlcad a "my little pony" now :D |
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| 16:25.54 | ``Erik | I gave my brother a sailor moon doll for his 16th birthday, he retaliated by giving me a 'callisto' doll from xena the next year :) |
| 16:26.08 | ``Erik | hopes he didn't say anything insulting O.o |
| 16:27.57 | ``Erik | brlcad, you asked me about mentoring rolls... I'm kinda imagining my utility being as a meta-mentor this go-around, the # of slots vs mentors seem to match up for that |
| 16:28.25 | ``Erik | I can take one on as a specific roll, but I want to let other people do it so we get a broader experience base |
| 16:43.18 | starseeker | could see brlcad taking up jousting if crew gets to be too mundane ;-) |
| 16:43.54 | pacman87 | or do both at once and joust on the water |
| 16:44.38 | starseeker | heh - "ramming speed!" |
| 16:45.11 | ``Erik | did ramming speed in canoes, in freezing weather... was on the losing boat, it sucked |
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| 16:49.07 | starseeker | ``Erik: one too many viewings of Ben Hur? ;-) |
| 16:49.26 | ``Erik | um, actually, I've never seen that |
| 16:50.24 | starseeker | finally - a cultural icon I HAVE seen and someone else HASN'T ;-) |
| 16:50.54 | ``Erik | dons his dunce cap |
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| 17:29.38 | ``Erik | nice, jabbering with a fbsd dude who got a brlcad license back in 'the day', with the faxes and shit |
| 17:30.51 | starseeker | heh, cool |
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| 18:52.01 | brlcad | ``Erik: that's fine, but then you need to be wielding a meta-mentor hammer to get the other mentors to check the mentor willingness button |
| 18:52.36 | brlcad | at least two need to step up, or a slot will be dropped |
| 18:52.47 | brlcad | will send an e-mail today |
| 18:52.58 | brlcad | dreeves2: yes, he saw it -- talked about it with him for a while |
| 18:53.28 | brlcad | one of the things that might make things work is that I believe nested trims toggle orientation for each nesting |
| 18:53.41 | ``Erik | will serve where needed. |
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| 19:08.54 | dreeves2 | brlcad thanks. You are correct about the nesting and orientation and the current trim code supports that |
| 19:09.47 | dreeves2 | brlcad are you seeing a problem with the trim of any of the examples? I think all those trims are working |
| 19:10.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34218 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/help.tcl: document the fact that opendb reports the open database if no arguments are given |
| 19:10.14 | dreeves2 | I think I am having a normal problem that is affecting good calculation of the surface normals |
| 19:20.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34219 10/brlcad/trunk/include/rtgeom.h: clean up comment ws alignment |
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| 19:32.00 | dreeves2 | I meant I'm having a tolerance issue that is causing problems when calculating surface normals |
| 19:32.26 | dreeves2 | Seems to be happening when approaching face edges |
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| 20:48.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Carlosvsilva 07http://brlcad.org * r1407 10/wiki/User:Carlosvsilva: Posted reviewed application, hope to get feedback! |
| 20:59.26 | typ0 | is my application well-defined and good enough for brl-cad project |
| 20:59.42 | typ0 | or are there some areas which could be improved further ? |
| 21:06.10 | brlcad | typ0: before answering that, did you do everything on our gsoc checklist? |
| 21:07.05 | brlcad | I don't recall a patch for you iirc, which would be a problem as that's a pretty big evaluation factor |
| 21:07.55 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, any comments ? |
| 21:08.42 | hippieindamakin8 | though it was not a high priority and was minute |
| 21:08.58 | typ0 | brlcad: yep, i read all |
| 21:09.17 | brlcad | not talking about reading it :) |
| 21:09.21 | typ0 | and i am now picking up a good issue to produce a patch |
| 21:09.22 | brlcad | those are action lists ;) |
| 21:09.33 | typ0 | yeah, i mean i done it all except for the patch |
| 21:09.48 | typ0 | i was pretty busy with brlcad not running on the latest X11 for MacOS X |
| 21:10.01 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, :) neways keeping my fingers crossed |
| 21:10.01 | typ0 | ultimately i downgraded and it started working |
| 21:10.30 | brlcad | rather late to be working on a patch :) |
| 21:10.50 | typ0 | i spent a lot of time with the code, but the bug was crossing to the Tk side of the project, and i wasn't so familiar with it |
| 21:11.02 | hippieindamakin8 | retires to bed |
| 21:11.13 | typ0 | yeah im late |
| 21:11.17 | typ0 | previously i thought there was no interest in my application |
| 21:11.27 | typ0 | for the lack of comments and no answering to my questions here |
| 21:11.48 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, dont u ever sleep ?or u go on combat naps ? |
| 21:11.57 | typ0 | can i still submit a patch today ? |
| 21:12.27 | brlcad | typ0: you can, it'll just be tough to evaluate it fairly against others |
| 21:13.30 | typ0 | i see |
| 21:13.44 | typ0 | that's why i have some work from me at http://planet.homeunix.org |
| 21:14.00 | typ0 | gSoC 2007 and other |
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| 22:20.20 | Ralith | brlcad: thanks for the comments! That addressed my major uncertainties quite nicely. |
| 22:27.30 | Ralith | web browsers should support embedding user-supplied text editors for multiline entry areas. |
| 22:38.55 | Ralith | mafm: you there? |
| 22:43.40 | mafm | Ralith: yes, I am |
| 22:44.12 | Ralith | mafm: how much does g3d as-is interact with libged? |
| 22:44.25 | Ralith | I remember hearing that it could load geometry; is that the case? |
| 22:46.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34221 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: distcheck fixme |
| 22:47.41 | mafm | Ralith: it uses commands that in turn call g3d directly |
| 22:48.49 | Ralith | how much, not how. |
| 22:48.53 | Ralith | what does it do? |
| 22:49.09 | mafm | basically, nothing, just sample commands if at all |
| 22:49.27 | mafm | libged and higher level services using it were incomplete by that time |
| 22:49.52 | Ralith | so it can't load geometry? |
| 22:50.21 | mafm | see GedCommand* |
| 22:51.05 | mafm | it calls libged directly, though it should use the geometry server, I don't know if it's available now |
| 22:51.39 | mafm | it won't load a .g file and show it in the screen, not that |
| 22:52.17 | mafm | I started implementing simple commands, and discovered (and fixed, then with help from brlcad) some segfaults in libged itself, etc |
| 22:52.27 | mafm | part of that was already after gsoc |
| 22:53.16 | Ralith | kk |
| 22:53.17 | Ralith | thanks |
| 22:55.03 | mafm | I started by creating an ogre environment with the windows, camera modes, a console with commands for controlling the application etc; since the migration to libged was pretty much WIP and there was no network abstraction over that at the time |
| 22:55.05 | brlcad | the geometry server is to a simple working state now where it will accept a connection and can deliver geometry |
| 22:57.04 | Ralith | oo |
| 22:57.11 | Ralith | that sounds functional enough to hook up to! |
| 22:57.53 | Ralith | considering that I'm cutting back on the amount of functionality that will be implemented, think that might be a reasonable thing to do? |
| 22:59.01 | mafm | well, I'd say that you first get Qt working with OGRE |
| 22:59.21 | Ralith | of course |
| 22:59.25 | mafm | it might be trivial, it might not if there are problems with multi-threading and so on |
| 22:59.52 | mafm | then you can replace the simple windows by mimicking the interface, or enhancing them while doing so |
| 23:00.05 | mafm | you can then get rid of non-Qt stuff, and go on from there |
| 23:00.26 | mafm | the working commands are pretty basic |
| 23:00.34 | Ralith | that's my first two milestones right there :P |
| 23:01.10 | mafm | you need to convert geometry to be shown in OGRE, that part is not done (I created a sample tetrahedron, not a proper conversion) |
| 23:02.07 | mafm | and a way to convert back from ogre to libged |
| 23:02.23 | Ralith | ogre's just for display |
| 23:02.40 | Ralith | I think it would be better to go libged -> ogre, edits -> libged, libged -> ogre |
| 23:02.46 | mafm | well, yes, but you first need to convert a .g to OGRE object, don't know very well how |
| 23:02.48 | Ralith | rather than libged -> ogre, edits -> ogre, ogre -> libged |
| 23:03.01 | Ralith | I wouldn't do that either |
| 23:03.09 | Ralith | just have some logic for rendering the .g in-situ |
| 23:03.40 | mafm | but then need to be able to tell to libged which vertex that you're selecting to remove or something like that, I guess (dunno much about the process of modelling) |
| 23:03.45 | Ralith | e.g. I may try to implement some basic mged-style wireframeness, which would just look at the primitive type and its params and procedurally form a wireframe based on that |
| 23:03.51 | Ralith | so? |
| 23:04.21 | Ralith | all actual editing of the file should be done through the interface provided by BRL-CAD |
| 23:04.31 | Ralith | remember, this is supposed to be something of a thin client |
| 23:04.52 | Ralith | just a GUI and state display |
| 23:04.57 | mafm | yes, but if you position the object by clicking with the mouse, you'll have to convert from OGRE coordinates to brl-cad coordinates |
| 23:05.21 | Ralith | er, is there a reason not to just set things up such that they're equivalent? |
| 23:05.43 | Ralith | it'd be incredibly convenient to do things like selecting objects would be incredibly convenient through librt, anyway, I think |
| 23:06.38 | Ralith | 'cuz that's what a selection is, really; tracing a ray from the camera's orign through the screen and finding the first thing it intersects with |
| 23:07.03 | mafm | I don't even know if OGRE coordinates and brl-cad's are the same |
| 23:07.40 | mafm | so (1, 0, 3) might not be the same point in OGRE display and brl-cad backend :) |
| 23:08.36 | mafm | note that I say might, actually it's one of the things that I'd had liked to investigate last summer, but didn't get to that point |
| 23:08.48 | Ralith | so if they aren't, set them up to be so. |
| 23:08.56 | Ralith | it's a 3 dimensional cartesian coordinate system |
| 23:09.04 | Ralith | they can only be so different |
| 23:09.38 | mafm | I didn't say that it was a lot of work, just that it needs to be studied :) |
| 23:10.28 | mafm | and if OGRE doesn't accept .g files, which I guess not, you have to perform some kind of conversion to "load" the view in OGRE |
| 23:10.59 | Ralith | I'm fairly sure OGRE can render things in ways other than loading files. |
| 23:11.35 | mafm | yes, like creating so called "manual objects" (as the sample tetrahedron) |
| 23:13.20 | mafm | probably this step is also not very hard, I just name it as something to be done not yet implemented in g3d |
| 23:15.05 | mafm | if you're satisfied with the way that commands, camera modes etc work, I'd say that the next steps would be to hook to the Geometry Service and start replicating the functionality of the editor |
| 23:15.36 | mafm | maybe the structure of commands as it's now it's not needed, and for GED commands you can just send them as a string over the network |
| 23:16.29 | mafm | (currently it does some pre-processing checking number of arguments, etc) |
| 23:17.08 | mafm | brlcad: am I correct, or am I a bad mentor? :P |
| 23:29.38 | mafm | ... |
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| 02:19.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Carlosvsilva 07http://brlcad.org * r1408 10/wiki/User:Carlosvsilva: Added a patch to my IGES converter application, to enable the converters to support different versions of the standard |
| 02:35.35 | starseeker | dreeves: I'm going to look into the prep time, see what's taking so long on the d2 model |
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| 02:38.29 | dreeves | starseeker sounds good!! |
| 02:38.47 | starseeker | hard to debug raytracing when the prep time is so long! |
| 02:39.41 | dreeves | I'm investigating what is causing the spots on a few of the examples |
| 02:39.59 | dreeves | Yes agreed that definitely will slow the process down |
| 02:40.46 | dreeves | If I get the spots problem cleaned up we problem should spend a little time cleaning up the brep.cpp code |
| 02:41.51 | dreeves | are you able to spend much of your day working on this or is this more of a pet project at the moment? |
| 02:44.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1409 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Modified milestones and timeline to lessen scope |
| 02:46.00 | Ralith | brlcad: ^ |
| 02:50.38 | starseeker | dreeves: I can spend some time on it - my difficulty is simply getting up to speed on the code/concepts in general |
| 02:50.58 | starseeker | prep should be a good place to work though |
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| 02:54.52 | dreeves | yeah that should be a good place there are a lot of different things a play here can be a little steep to get started |
| 02:55.26 | dreeves | but once you get into it isn't that bad though |
| 03:00.05 | dreeves | I'm sure most think the spots on dented sphere are missed rays but if they are they are going all the ray through with out hitting either side otherwise I would have an odd number of hits along the ray |
| 03:00.31 | dreeves | I fairly confident something is getting hosed up in calculating the normal |
| 03:00.39 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:01.08 | dreeves | does Ed think it is missed rays? |
| 03:01.22 | starseeker | don't know |
| 03:01.44 | starseeker | I don't see any missed rays - I see a conflict between the shadow effect and the light reflection effect |
| 03:02.39 | starseeker | any idea what that clipping is on the bottom of Paraboloid? |
| 03:02.40 | dreeves | what about the spots away from the dent? I think the actual dent is fine it is just some weird optics going on because of the lighting |
| 03:02.57 | starseeker | um. not sure about those |
| 03:05.47 | dreeves | Those are the spots I'm really concerned about and the ones on the rebuiltSphere the problem is a little more obvious there |
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| 04:45.29 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: sean |
| 04:45.56 | AlexandreGuedes | up to now, i didn't manage to fix a bug |
| 04:47.42 | AlexandreGuedes | would be important I submit another patch, only to show that I had build the system ? |
| 04:48.21 | pacman87 | the patch is to show how you code |
| 04:48.36 | pacman87 | any patch would be better than no patch |
| 04:49.58 | AlexandreGuedes | this is the main goal |
| 04:52.18 | AlexandreGuedes | pacman87: You took part in gsoc 2008 with brl-CAD ? |
| 04:54.21 | pacman87 | yes |
| 04:54.36 | pacman87 | AlexandreGuedes: yes |
| 04:56.49 | AlexandreGuedes | are you Dawn Thomas ? |
| 04:57.08 | pacman87 | no |
| 04:57.56 | pacman87 | http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Pacman87 |
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| 05:27.30 | AlexandreGuedes | pacman87: the submiteds patch are here ? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?words=tracker_browse&sort=open_date&sortdir=desc&offset=0&group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
| 05:28.07 | pacman87 | add that as a comment on your application on the GSoC site |
| 05:28.24 | pacman87 | and i'm not the one who's evaluating you |
| 05:29.08 | pacman87 | and add you application to your user page in the wiki (if you haven't already done so) |
| 05:29.18 | pacman87 | add your* |
| 05:29.29 | pacman87 | and put the link there as well |
| 05:33.22 | louipc | pacman87: :O you're like a prodigy! |
| 05:33.51 | pacman87 | louipc: ? |
| 05:34.36 | louipc | me/ee 4.0 gpa :D |
| 05:34.43 | louipc | I think that's nuts |
| 05:41.05 | pacman87 | i have fun :D |
| 05:44.03 | pacman87 | currently juggling a microcontroller project, writing a trusted p2p network, distributed failure recovery programming lab, modifying another processor simulator program to include virtual memory, and a few other things |
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| 06:06.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03AlexandreGuedes 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:ConverterTable.jpg]]" |
| 06:18.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03AlexandreGuedes 07http://brlcad.org * r1412 10/wiki/User:AlexandreGuedes: |
| 06:36.44 | yukonbob | hi cadnerds |
| 06:37.06 | pacman87 | hi yukonbob |
| 06:37.11 | yukonbob | apologizes for lack of presence.... crappy net connection, crazy werk. :P |
| 06:37.18 | yukonbob | waves to pacman87 |
| 06:38.04 | pacman87 | waves, then goes back to figuring out the keypad interface |
| 06:38.18 | pacman87 | somehow managed to swap rows and columns |
| 06:38.37 | yukonbob | keypad iface... mged? |
| 06:38.47 | pacman87 | nope, microcontroller lab |
| 06:38.54 | yukonbob | ah |
| 06:39.00 | yukonbob | _that_ interface |
| 06:43.44 | AlexandreGuedes | now I have wiki page |
| 06:44.00 | AlexandreGuedes | pacman87: |
| 06:44.33 | pacman87 | AlexandreGuedes: i'm not in charge of anything relating to GSoC |
| 06:44.49 | AlexandreGuedes | i know |
| 06:44.58 | pacman87 | just making sure |
| 06:45.42 | AlexandreGuedes | I just said because you suggested |
| 06:47.19 | AlexandreGuedes | Actually I knew, but up to now I didn't have done |
| 07:16.09 | Ralith | 22:55:41 < CIA-28> BRL-CAD: AlexandreGuedes http://brlcad.org * r1410 /wiki/User:AlexandreGuedes: New page: ==SoC Applications== ===Further OpenGL Geometry Editor GUI development=== ====Abstract==== Nowadays there are many geometry formats files, each one is more appropriate to a different appli... |
| 07:16.14 | Ralith | CIA's bugged. |
| 07:16.23 | Ralith | one of those headers is from my userpage. |
| 07:21.03 | pacman87 | of course the CIA's bugged, what do you think the NSA does in their spare time? :P |
| 07:22.53 | Ralith | lol |
| 07:23.46 | AlexandreGuedes | Ralith: CIA is ok, I got your page as model, but I forgot to delete this sentence "Further OpenGL Geometry Editor GUI development" |
| 07:24.12 | Ralith | oh? I guess I overlooked it |
| 07:24.22 | Ralith | was all worried about competition >_> |
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| 09:10.00 | hippieindamakin8 | waves |
| 09:10.23 | pacman87 | waves back |
| 09:28.43 | AlexandreGuedes | o create my patche but didin't report some new files that I created |
| 09:29.03 | AlexandreGuedes | i used "svn diff > brlcad.patch" |
| 09:31.49 | pacman87 | AlexandreGuedes: did you do a svn add? |
| 09:32.25 | AlexandreGuedes | i didn't |
| 09:32.36 | AlexandreGuedes | i must ? |
| 09:33.11 | pacman87 | points in the general direction of the svn man page |
| 09:33.41 | pacman87 | 4:30am, time for bed |
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| 11:21.31 | d-lo | stretches. |
| 11:21.34 | d-lo | mernin! |
| 11:22.02 | brlcad | howdy d-lo |
| 11:22.18 | d-lo | hey there. How are things? |
| 11:22.45 | brlcad | pretty good! |
| 11:23.54 | d-lo | going rowin' this morning? |
| 11:23.56 | brlcad | d-lo: so are you bol? |
| 11:24.17 | d-lo | bol == ?? |
| 11:24.28 | brlcad | awol -> aol -> bol ;) |
| 11:24.49 | d-lo | ah yes, I see. |
| 11:25.03 | d-lo | I am currently on vacation from vacation... so, back to work :) |
| 11:28.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03AlexandreGuedes 07http://brlcad.org * r1414 10/wiki/User:AlexandreGuedes: AlexandreGuedes |
| 11:29.30 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: I did some jobs tonight |
| 11:30.16 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: kinda very last minute, isn't it? :) |
| 11:30.23 | AlexandreGuedes | I wrote some comments about it in proposal page |
| 11:30.28 | brlcad | you know that today is the decision day |
| 11:31.03 | brlcad | still, thanks for the updates -- will take a look at them |
| 11:31.17 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: yes I know I have some commitments |
| 11:32.08 | AlexandreGuedes | but now I'm free |
| 11:45.05 | brlcad | d-lo: have you seen the gsoc applications yet? |
| 11:45.32 | brlcad | can talk in private about any of them specifically (or via the private comments on sochop) |
| 11:47.15 | brlcad | I went ahead and assigned you to someone just to have you assigned, but there are three or four 'finalists' still being evaluated for the last two slots (they're the ones ranked 1 and 0) |
| 11:47.30 | d-lo | brlcad: I have a huge backlog of GSoC emails to read :/ Been disconnected for almost two weeks now ;) |
| 11:47.57 | d-lo | last time I read email was about the 2nd/3rd of April |
| 11:48.24 | brlcad | I know, that's why I'm mentioning it now |
| 11:48.29 | brlcad | today is the final selections day |
| 11:48.33 | brlcad | in a few hours |
| 11:49.19 | brlcad | at this point, I don't think there is anything that you "have" to do |
| 11:49.36 | brlcad | the only thing you "should" do, though, is mark which of the non-negative applications you'd be willing to mentor |
| 11:49.47 | brlcad | there's a button |
| 11:50.02 | brlcad | whether it's the one I have you assigned to now, or one of the others |
| 11:50.06 | d-lo | I can do a 'button'.... sounds easy ;) |
| 11:50.19 | brlcad | lemme know (in PM) if you have a preference for mentoring one of the other projects |
| 11:50.20 | d-lo | I'll add it to the queue of 'thingados' today |
| 11:50.47 | brlcad | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/list_proposals/google/gsoc2009/brlcad |
| 11:50.55 | brlcad | that's where the fun is at |
| 11:51.05 | d-lo | thanks for the linkage! |
| 11:51.40 | brlcad | only daniel and cliff are "set" mentors |
| 11:51.59 | brlcad | the rest can be adjusted, and the 1-ranked are still tentative |
| 11:52.40 | brlcad | er, 1-scored |
| 12:09.30 | AlexandreGuedes | brlcad: Were the decisions already taken? |
| 12:12.51 | hippieindamakin8 | waves at brlcad and d-lo |
| 12:14.20 | d-lo | Mernin Hippie! |
| 12:17.47 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: eh, you did read my last line there right? :) |
| 12:18.01 | brlcad | ~dict tentative |
| 12:18.16 | brlcad | well that was mostly useless |
| 12:19.19 | brlcad | ~dict 4 tentative |
| 12:19.53 | d-lo | 'creeping like snail' lol |
| 12:21.31 | brlcad | ersatz students! |
| 12:22.36 | AlexandreGuedes | you are talking about Student Proposal |
| 12:28.41 | brlcad | very observant |
| 12:30.34 | AlexandreGuedes | i made a confusion here |
| 12:31.52 | AlexandreGuedes | I was not talking about this subject |
| 12:33.59 | brlcad | waits for AlexandreGuedes to complete his thought.. |
| 12:34.29 | _clock_ | I talked about brlcad to an older couple on the train |
| 12:34.40 | AlexandreGuedes | when you said "AlexandreGuedes: eh, you did read my last line there right? :)" |
| 12:35.16 | AlexandreGuedes | i asked "you are talking about Student Proposal" ? |
| 12:35.22 | d-lo | 's brain just SCRAMmed :/ |
| 12:35.53 | brlcad | AlexandreGuedes: I don't need a replay -- you're just not clarifying anything |
| 12:36.25 | brlcad | to clarify, you could explain what you were asking about instead of saying what you were not asking about |
| 12:36.59 | AlexandreGuedes | but now I had already understood... |
| 12:37.40 | AlexandreGuedes | hehe |
| 12:37.41 | d-lo | hahahahahahaha |
| 12:38.08 | d-lo | I think I an going to copy/paste this into my blog.... its great! |
| 12:38.31 | AlexandreGuedes | i need sleep some time |
| 12:39.09 | brlcad | is confused and gives up |
| 12:44.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34222 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (Archer.tcl ArcherCore.tcl): Ripped out the edit history hack. |
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| 12:48.30 | d-lo | brlcad: lordy you keep it cold in here! 67?! You on crazy mo-fo. |
| 12:48.36 | d-lo | on==one |
| 12:48.50 | brlcad | shrugs, felt warm yesterday |
| 12:49.50 | brlcad | plus, the brain slows down when it's warm |
| 12:49.56 | brlcad | why most schools are frigid |
| 12:50.13 | d-lo | the real key is to oxygenate the work place ;) |
| 12:50.29 | louipc | hmmm. that's interesting. |
| 12:50.37 | d-lo | bump up o2 levels by 0.5% .... makes a disturbing difference! |
| 12:50.37 | brlcad | too much O2 can make you sleepy too |
| 12:50.56 | brlcad | O2+warm, killer |
| 12:51.07 | brlcad | called nap time |
| 12:51.14 | d-lo | true, but the Casinos in Vegas have the concept down pat. Submarines do too ;) |
| 12:53.09 | d-lo | as for the GSoC Student proposals... they are supposed to propse and detail a work project... correct? |
| 12:53.15 | brlcad | two environments where I'd argue that they want people to think less, not more ;) keep them subdued to programmed responses (keep playing, push the knobs we told you to push) |
| 12:54.16 | brlcad | wonders if more O2 makes you more inclined to be suggestive or obey |
| 12:54.41 | brlcad | sounds like an experiment to impose on management! |
| 12:54.53 | louipc | hahah |
| 12:56.03 | d-lo | actually, lack of o2 makes you more sleepy than excessive o2 does. If you are in a casino and start feeling out of breath and/or sleepy, you'll leave the slots! On a sub, you need to be alert and ready to go. Thus (on a sub at least) they bump abient o2 levels by 0.25-0.5% above 'the norm'... can't speak to what Casinos bump theirs to. |
| 12:56.28 | d-lo | excessive o2 does make lighting a cigarette much more exciting though :) |
| 12:56.45 | brlcad | not sleepy, just not thinking at full capacity |
| 12:57.48 | brlcad | anyways, irrelevant with little means to test any theories at this point ;) |
| 12:57.59 | d-lo | hrm, i need to get you on a Tiger cruise on a sub sometime. I think then you would realize you want the subsailors thinking at 101% capacity ;) |
| 12:58.32 | d-lo | ...I'll 'borrow' an o2 cyl and start a slow bleed in the building next week :) |
| 12:58.56 | louipc | kaboom |
| 12:59.24 | d-lo | louipc: nah, no boom. Hence the 'slow' bleed ;) |
| 12:59.25 | brlcad | warm body/brain is still pretty well studied, hardly anything motivates and energizes as well as slightly 'cool' |
| 12:59.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Carlosvsilva 07http://brlcad.org * r1415 10/wiki/User:Carlosvsilva: Posted the patch in SF.net bug tracker, added TOC and cleanup formatting |
| 12:59.44 | d-lo | as much as I want a new building, thats not the right way to get it :) |
| 13:00.04 | brlcad | and yes, they're supposed to propose a project |
| 13:00.14 | brlcad | don't waste your time on the ones already marked negative |
| 13:00.20 | louipc | I wonder if that's why northern countries seem more developed than countries in warmer climates |
| 13:00.55 | louipc | well, the danger of freezing is definitely motivating. |
| 13:01.01 | brlcad | louipc: I'm sure there is some truth to that |
| 13:01.17 | brlcad | but there's also the issue of environment |
| 13:01.34 | brlcad | when you're in paradise ... who wants to work? |
| 13:01.42 | louipc | yep |
| 13:02.12 | d-lo | brlcad so you are saying that warm == paradise? =D |
| 13:03.25 | brlcad | in terms of being 'comfortable' and 'relaxed' and having lazy days on the beach with a pi?a coloda -- absolutely :) |
| 13:04.14 | d-lo | ah, okay. I was about to point out that a bulk of northern part of Africa is also very warm :) |
| 13:04.46 | brlcad | hydration is a key feature of paradise ;) |
| 13:06.08 | d-lo | good point. never get a beer locally brewed in the middle east.... blech. |
| 13:17.12 | mafm | brlcad: piña colAda :P |
| 13:18.00 | mafm | (that's an n with a tilde ~ above, if the charset is not showing it properly) |
| 13:21.17 | mafm | d-lo: I was preparing the application and so I put the "placeholder", but alas I didn't apply and couldn't withdraw it after that, so that explains the litter :P |
| 13:22.02 | d-lo | ah, I see. -5 for pathetic excuses. ;) |
| 13:22.28 | brlcad | mafm: different charsets, that's what mine was too |
| 13:22.34 | brlcad | ??? |
| 13:26.24 | mafm | brlcad: I only see ??? :) |
| 13:27.38 | madant | too |
| 13:28.02 | madant | swam after 4 months |
| 13:28.34 | madant | brlcad: rowing is not stressful on the knees ? |
| 13:28.38 | mafm | but the point was that it's colada, not coloda (filtered pineapple) |
| 13:28.44 | brlcad | madant: nope |
| 13:28.50 | d-lo | wow, you were swimming at the age of 4 months? not bad madant, not bad! |
| 13:28.58 | brlcad | mafm: just a typo :P |
| 13:29.04 | madant | i mean compared to running . :) |
| 13:29.08 | mafm | the dictionary nazi |
| 13:29.12 | madant | d-lo, ha |
| 13:29.45 | madant | brlcad, i hear that done properly rowing works almost every muscle in your body ? |
| 13:29.54 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 13:30.27 | madant | brlcad, considering there are a lot of muscles on the face , maybe a rowing with a lot of gestures would be complete body work out :P |
| 13:30.53 | brlcad | you end up making a lot of different faces depending on the level of pain regardless ;) |
| 13:31.01 | madant | was afraid that he had forgot swimming. |
| 13:31.48 | brlcad | chuckles at http://www.uksport.gov.uk/assets/Image/newsArchive/rowing_0912_main.jpg |
| 13:34.50 | louipc | http://images.nlroei.nl/fotoboek/images/onzrjzytpa/285-8523_IMG.jpg |
| 13:35.10 | brlcad | hehe |
| 13:35.37 | louipc | this is comedy gold. I should take up rowing |
| 13:39.51 | brlcad | you should! |
| 13:40.02 | brlcad | everyone should.. fantastic sport :) |
| 13:40.45 | louipc | I'm going to try rock climbing/bouldering first |
| 13:43.03 | madant | thinks with these pictures no doubt , rowing rocks :P |
| 13:43.17 | madant | louipc, bouldering is awesome |
| 13:44.02 | madant | likes technical sport climbing, but the low equipment requirement of bouldering is nice :) |
| 13:45.11 | _clock_ | have you ever done tree climbing? |
| 13:50.21 | madant | lives in Kerala-"god's own country"- where people climb even coconut trees - not to mention a college which teaches advanced courses on the same :P |
| 13:50.48 | d-lo | an advanced course on Coconut tree climbing? |
| 14:04.00 | madant | d-lo, yep :) |
| 14:04.45 | d-lo | awesome, simply awesome. Is there a degree in 'climbing' ? |
| 14:05.00 | _clock_ | I am making a tree-age-dee |
| 14:05.15 | _clock_ | MaSc. |
| 14:05.34 | _clock_ | Master of ascent |
| 14:06.03 | _clock_ | I would like to live in a tree house |
| 14:06.37 | madant | http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/04/12/stories/2004041202230200.htm this is not exactly the place , but i can't find the link for the real deal :P |
| 14:07.33 | madant | oh forgot to mention, there is also a elephant in-charge training centre here too :P |
| 14:07.34 | d-lo | is experiencing come culture shock! |
| 14:07.48 | madant | should desist :D |
| 14:08.05 | _clock_ | I hope physical fitness is not among requirements |
| 14:08.36 | _clock_ | just filled a chocolate Easter bunny with water and put into a freezer |
| 14:10.22 | _clock_ | "We plan to work as a group and hope to get a telephone" |
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| 14:15.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34223 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (conv/asc2g.c librt/primitives/bot/bot.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:15.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Fixed memory issues CAD team was having with 'asc2g' on new Tcl based ASCII |
| 14:15.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: format. There were a couple of issues, first memory wasn't being freed |
| 14:15.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: correctly from Tcl list object so took Bob's advice and changed usage |
| 14:15.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: in rt_bot_adjust(), second 'asc2g' was using Tcl_EvalFile() which buffers |
| 14:15.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: entire file into memory again causing issues with some large Pro-E |
| 14:15.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: conversions. Changed 'asc2g.c' to load ASCII file in manageable |
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| 14:59.14 | dreeves2 | starseeker and brlcad so the rips in dented sphere I think I have determined those are holes. |
| 15:00.29 | dreeves2 | If you rt from a different angle the problem becomes more obvious |
| 15:00.47 | dreeves2 | I have some work to do there |
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| 15:47.59 | d-lo | tofu eh? |
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| 18:10.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1416 10/wiki/User:Jdoliner: Copied in my application, I'll update this to include more information in about an hour. |
| 18:35.39 | starseeker | dreeves: hmm - here's a backtrace for the raytrace failure with openbook: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m12bd2f0e |
| 18:44.09 | brlcad_brlcad | starseeker: you still have the debug session up? |
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| 18:45.05 | starseeker | yes |
| 18:45.27 | starseeker | brlcad_brlcad: still up |
| 18:45.42 | brlcad_brlcad | p i |
| 18:45.48 | brlcad_brlcad | p trim->m_c2i |
| 18:46.07 | starseeker | p i -> 0 |
| 18:46.20 | starseeker | p trim->m_c2i -> 3422 |
| 18:47.14 | starseeker | p t -> 0 |
| 18:50.07 | brlcad_brlcad | p trimCurve |
| 18:50.43 | brlcad_brlcad | and, p curveApproximations[trim->m_c2i][i] |
| 18:50.51 | brlcad_brlcad | suspect that's what's oob |
| 18:52.02 | brlcad_brlcad | ahh, definitely |
| 18:52.18 | brlcad_brlcad | curveApproximations is only [100][200] |
| 18:52.25 | brlcad_brlcad | that index of 3422 is way out of range |
| 18:53.51 | brlcad_brlcad | p loop->TrimCount() |
| 18:54.42 | starseeker | (gdb) p trimCurve |
| 18:54.43 | starseeker | $5 = (const ON_Curve *) 0x8ce6dd0 |
| 18:55.08 | starseeker | (gdb) p curveApproximations[trim->m_c2i][i] |
| 18:55.08 | starseeker | $6 = { x = 1.2401802885544486e+151, y = 1.9476649113403901e+243, z = 1.2401796641872861e+151 |
| 18:55.11 | starseeker | } |
| 18:55.27 | brlcad_brlcad | yeah, random data |
| 18:55.33 | brlcad_brlcad | the last p? |
| 18:55.37 | starseeker | (gdb) p loop->TrimCount() |
| 18:55.39 | starseeker | $7 = 4 |
| 19:02.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34225 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: dumb hack, but it should affect a curve approximations crash. looks like trim->m_c2i is about 3500 .. which is about 3400 indices too many for the previous size of the container. up the limit to 10000. |
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| 19:12.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34226 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): quell warnings for virtual destructors, unused vars, and size_t types |
| 19:23.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34227 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: some style cleanup, should follow hacking guide |
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| 19:37.27 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, that let the d2 model raytrace |
| 19:43.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34228 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: quell all warnings |
| 19:45.02 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad mafm |
| 19:46.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34229 10/brlcad/trunk/include/vector.h: unbustage. the virtual destructors need to be defined somewhere even if they do nothing |
| 19:47.34 | brlcad | starseeker: cool |
| 19:47.35 | brlcad | maybe you can make that use a better container |
| 19:48.09 | brlcad | maybe an stl container instead of a fixed array, preallocated to some large size but increasing in chunks for efficiency |
| 19:48.48 | brlcad | of if anything, some detection logic to make sure it doesn't crash at least -- abort gracefully if the index is out of range |
| 19:48.57 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:49.08 | brlcad | right now, it's just wasting a bit of memory |
| 19:59.07 | mafm | hi hippieindamakin8 |
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| 20:16.53 | starseeker | looks like the most expensive part of the preprocessing is in brep_preprocess_trims lines 225 to 239 |
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| 20:37.41 | starseeker | uhhh... correct me if I'm wrong, but is the current raytracing using brep_preprocess_trims for ANYTHING? |
| 20:39.26 | brlcad | yeah, during prep |
| 20:39.37 | brlcad | brep_build_bvh() |
| 20:40.12 | starseeker | yeah, I know prep is being called, but I'm not seeing where it's using the generated information |
| 20:41.47 | brlcad | if i'm understanding brep_preprocess_trims() right, it's rather obscene implementation |
| 20:42.43 | brlcad | looks like it's iterating over the bounding volume nodes, and for each bounding volume, seeing what geometry belongs in there by iterating over very loop's trimming curves |
| 20:43.40 | brlcad | ah, not quite so |
| 20:48.37 | brlcad | not sure what you meant though -- it fills in a set of "surface trees" during prep, calling brep_preprocess_trims() to set a few flags |
| 20:48.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34230 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: remove minor dead code |
| 20:51.15 | starseeker | runs a little test... |
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| 20:58.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34231 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: comment cleanup |
| 21:09.59 | starseeker | yeah, I thought so - commenting out lines 221 to 239 in brep.cpp inside brep_preprocess_trims has (so far) resulted in identical raytracing results for the nurbs_tests.g file (it'll take a little while to finish) |
| 21:10.17 | dreeves2 | brlcad starseeker I noticed from some of the commits something about the approximation hack...I wouldn't spend to much time on that in the end state I want to get rid of that approximation altogether the getclosestpoint function isn't working is the only reason it is there I plan attempt to fix that method in opennurbs |
| 21:11.27 | brlcad | dreeves2: *nod*, he just had a stack trace, so it was easily fixed |
| 21:11.35 | brlcad | from a crash, of course |
| 21:11.54 | dreeves2 | sure |
| 21:12.01 | starseeker | was able to see that the d2 model doesn't seem to be trimming properly |
| 21:12.08 | dreeves2 | :) I had up'd it to 10000 in mine |
| 21:12.17 | dreeves2 | I didn't commit sorry about that |
| 21:12.23 | starseeker | np |
| 21:12.56 | dreeves2 | Yeah did you see my comment earlier about dented sphere? |
| 21:13.05 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:13.26 | dreeves2 | yeah definitely something screwy going on there not quite sure where the issue is |
| 21:13.56 | dreeves2 | I just had the bright idea to rt at a different angle the morning no time to investigate |
| 21:14.35 | dreeves2 | You say it isn't trimming properly...How do you know trimming is the problem? |
| 21:14.52 | starseeker | well, I guess that's fair - I'm not completely sure |
| 21:15.00 | dreeves2 | oh ok |
| 21:15.05 | starseeker | I'll post an image in a couple minutes |
| 21:15.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34232 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: no need to undef read/write |
| 21:16.38 | dreeves2 | You know you can turn off trimming by commenting out the call to trim in the intersect function you will also have to check for odd intersections in the shoot function and just for now remove the last intersection otherwise the whole ray will be thrown away |
| 21:17.30 | dreeves2 | Yeah I don't think trimming is the problem with dented sphere because I was seeing the problem before trimming |
| 21:18.02 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/d2.png |
| 21:18.31 | dreeves2 | sweet you got something |
| 21:18.52 | dreeves2 | bet if you do what I was saying you will see far more of the geometry |
| 21:19.05 | starseeker | turning off trimming? |
| 21:19.11 | dreeves2 | correct |
| 21:19.11 | starseeker | yeah, I think I have that shot somewhere |
| 21:19.40 | dreeves2 | did you make any progress on speeding up preping? |
| 21:19.42 | starseeker | I think this is without trimming: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/openbook_d2.png |
| 21:19.53 | starseeker | dreeves2: sorta, but by hack and slash |
| 21:20.09 | dreeves2 | did you do the odd intersection thing I was talking about? |
| 21:20.18 | starseeker | I'll commit in a second - it's a temporary fix but since that whole part of the code is funky it won't make much difference |
| 21:23.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34233 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: |
| 21:23.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Comment out this part of the preprocessing trims prep - it's not currently being |
| 21:23.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: used in raytracing as far as I can tell and commenting it out reduces the |
| 21:23.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: raytracing time on the OpenBook part d example from >20 minutes to just over 1 |
| 21:23.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: minute. |
| 21:24.07 | starseeker | that may allow you to raytrace d2.g in something closer to reasonable time |
| 21:24.27 | starseeker | dreeves2: "odd intersection?" |
| 21:24.31 | starseeker | checks archives |
| 21:27.20 | dreeves2 | I can't remember if I left the code in there commented out but it is in the shot function just before the check for odd intersections. If a ray comes back with an odd number of intersection shot will throw away the whole ray |
| 21:28.21 | dreeves2 | you can just remove the last intersection point for rendering purposes it may be fine but obviously in the end we can do no such thing but just for now while we are trying to troubleshoot what is going on |
| 21:28.41 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:30.40 | dreeves2 | Then you grab your left foot then hop 10 times on your right while waving at someone and you may seem just a little less insane :) |
| 21:31.22 | starseeker | starts a raytrace inside mged and goes to get more water |
| 21:31.27 | starseeker | heh |
| 21:32.34 | starseeker | I'm getting a LOT of "root diverged" errors |
| 21:32.50 | starseeker | that could explain a lot, come to think of it |
| 21:33.03 | starseeker | getting 'em for all raytraces - even the box |
| 21:33.55 | dreeves2 | Yeah that is because I'm returning the wrong thing from intersect meant to go back and look what I was suppose to set that to when I missed but forgot to that |
| 21:36.14 | dreeves2 | I just grabbed something I'm not actually ever really detecting when the root diverged right now so I think it is safe to ignore those for the moment |
| 21:36.49 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:36.51 | dreeves2 | Yeah btw I'm not using the trim prep at all |
| 21:37.17 | dreeves2 | we will probably do something different in the end |
| 21:37.23 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:37.36 | starseeker | in the meantime, no point in killing our processing times for nada ;-) |
| 21:37.55 | dreeves2 | that is amazing that is what was taking the bulk of the 20 mins |
| 21:40.46 | dreeves2 | If we get everything working smoothly I definitely think there are some ways that we can prep trimming that will make trimming very fast |
| 21:41.04 | dreeves2 | and it won't take that long to prep |
| 21:44.54 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:47.57 | dreeves2 | what ae are you rt? |
| 21:48.29 | starseeker | 270 0 |
| 21:50.13 | starseeker | there we go: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/d2_270_0.png |
| 21:50.47 | dreeves2 | is that with the odd check essentially disabled? |
| 21:50.52 | starseeker | no |
| 21:50.54 | starseeker | that's default |
| 21:51.26 | starseeker | is surprised by the large positive result at the bottom - that should be empty |
| 21:52.08 | starseeker | hunts up the odd check |
| 21:52.09 | dreeves2 | I don't follow? |
| 21:53.19 | dreeves2 | I'm amazed we are getting something that looks that good considering the issue I found this morning |
| 21:53.27 | starseeker | heh - point |
| 21:53.43 | starseeker | you're talking about the hits.erase code? |
| 21:53.56 | starseeker | it appears to be be commented out |
| 21:54.07 | dreeves2 | yeah uncomment that then retry |
| 21:54.11 | starseeker | k |
| 21:54.26 | dreeves2 | sorry don't mean to sound bossy |
| 21:54.35 | starseeker | np :-) |
| 21:56.12 | dreeves2 | how long is taking to rt? |
| 21:56.50 | starseeker | few minutes for a small image |
| 21:57.19 | dreeves2 | Yeah I guess I'm not to worried about that right now |
| 21:57.34 | starseeker | correct first, then fast :-) |
| 21:57.43 | dreeves2 | amen |
| 21:58.59 | dreeves2 | I am happy we are getting anything that resembles the shape at this point considering how complex that geometry is very motivating |
| 21:59.34 | starseeker | ah, this may help |
| 21:59.43 | dreeves2 | ? |
| 21:59.51 | starseeker | with the prep time down to something halfway managable, nirt can now be used |
| 22:00.15 | starseeker | we can get entry and exit points for single rays |
| 22:00.32 | dreeves2 | absolutely |
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| 22:01.02 | dreeves2 | irc:cgi stinks |
| 22:04.56 | dreeves2 | starseeker I'm heading to the house but the home computer is connected so if you get more results let me know I'm interested in what you see with the code uncommented |
| 22:05.10 | starseeker | k |
| 22:05.14 | starseeker | it's coming up now |
| 22:05.22 | starseeker | some differences, nothing really spectacular |
| 22:05.42 | dreeves2 | ok well I will focus on the dented sphere |
| 22:05.46 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:05.58 | starseeker | yes, that's the place to focus |
| 22:06.10 | starseeker | if we can't get those right openbook is surely out of reach :-) |
| 22:06.22 | dreeves2 | nods |
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| 23:39.40 | louipc | ooh nice pix |
| 23:40.46 | Ralith | ^ |
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| 00:00.51 | starseeker | dreeves: here's the other screenshot with the uncommented code: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/d2_270_0_2.png |
| 00:02.10 | Ralith | also nice! |
| 00:18.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34234 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/asc2g.c: renamed getline() to gettclblock() |
| 00:24.48 | starseeker | these are somewhat interesting: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/dented_sphere.png |
| 00:24.58 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/dented_sph_surf_norm.png |
| 00:27.29 | Ralith | that doesn't look dented so much as holed |
| 00:27.54 | louipc | blind hole |
| 00:28.11 | louipc | needs isometric view |
| 00:28.14 | starseeker | It does appear to represent a removal rather than a surface distortion |
| 00:31.51 | starseeker | the surface normal coloring, however, should be fairly unambiguous |
| 00:32.27 | starseeker | if it were an outward distortion, I would expect the color gradient to run in the same general direction as that of the main sphere |
| 00:38.09 | starseeker | is beginning to think it might be useful to have the option to draw more complete wireframes for the nurb primitives, corresponding to their structure |
| 00:38.37 | starseeker | relating a raytrace to the underlying surfaces, edges, etc just by numbers may be a bit tricky |
| 00:42.38 | brlcad | starseeker: can you create two spheres that match the dented sphere perfectly? |
| 00:42.59 | starseeker | I can try |
| 00:43.04 | starseeker | one second |
| 00:44.03 | brlcad | would be interesting to run pixdiff/pixcmp on the results if the original radii and position values are derivable |
| 00:44.13 | starseeker | hmm |
| 00:44.24 | starseeker | not easily, at least from the l output |
| 00:45.05 | brlcad | can't believe he owes so much this year |
| 00:45.20 | starseeker | winces |
| 00:45.30 | starseeker | doing the late night post office thing? ;-) |
| 00:45.46 | brlcad | oh hell no, stopped that 5/6 years ago |
| 00:45.56 | starseeker | online then? |
| 00:45.59 | brlcad | e-file |
| 00:46.02 | brlcad | yeah |
| 00:46.03 | starseeker | nods |
| 00:46.10 | starseeker | that's how I did it too, except for VA |
| 00:46.23 | brlcad | used to do it all by hand, an all-day event, many forms, all the instructions and subforms |
| 00:46.54 | starseeker | yuck |
| 00:47.00 | brlcad | until one year it got so bad that I worked on them for about 20 hours non-stop (and I knew what I was doing!) and was still running up against the deadline |
| 00:47.15 | starseeker | dreeves: fwiw, I can confirm that the rebuilt sphere is manifesting as holes |
| 00:47.30 | brlcad | I had about two-hours till midnight (blen burnie office was open till midnight), went on-line |
| 00:47.40 | brlcad | did the whole thing in less than half an hour |
| 00:47.47 | Ralith | odamn |
| 00:47.54 | Ralith | that must have been a little frustrating. |
| 00:48.08 | brlcad | it was more amazing |
| 00:48.09 | Ralith | after 20 hours of work |
| 00:48.39 | brlcad | I was dubious that it'd be at all right with all the various forms I had (self-employed, depreciation tables, multiple sources of income, etc) |
| 00:49.30 | brlcad | since it asked more in a wizard-style interface, asking lots of questions |
| 00:50.08 | brlcad | I was already 95% done on paper, so I actually had everything in front of me to verify and it all matched up nicely |
| 00:50.16 | brlcad | so never again after that |
| 00:50.40 | brlcad | this year was hell though, even on-line ... for many reasons |
| 00:51.18 | brlcad | worst. tax-year. ever. (for me) |
| 00:52.44 | brlcad | orders some comfort food |
| 00:57.17 | starseeker | figures new house made things nice and complex... |
| 00:57.28 | brlcad | it did |
| 00:57.41 | brlcad | insanely so |
| 00:57.53 | brlcad | especially purchasing near the end of the year |
| 00:58.00 | starseeker | ow |
| 00:58.08 | yukonbob | what about the cocaine and hookers from your rockstar lifestyle as a BRL-CAD developer? |
| 00:58.17 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 00:58.38 | starseeker | would hire a CPA or something rather than deal with the headache of truly complex taxes... |
| 00:58.46 | brlcad | yukonbob: they're paid under the table, *shhh* |
| 00:58.52 | yukonbob | heh |
| 00:58.53 | ``Erik | yes, we take private jets when we go out for lunch and all that, and wear leather pants |
| 00:59.05 | yukonbob | LOL leather pants |
| 00:59.10 | yukonbob | hawt |
| 00:59.11 | yukonbob | ! |
| 00:59.17 | ``Erik | yes, they are, a lot of chaffing |
| 00:59.36 | starseeker | scowls at rebuilt sphere |
| 01:00.35 | starseeker | gonna need some way to know what we're raytracing within the nurb and how close it is to any edges/verticies/etc |
| 01:02.34 | ``Erik | hm, since opennurbs has a container for a straight up brep surface, ya think the utah teapot might be a good geometry to experiment with? |
| 01:02.52 | starseeker | could be |
| 01:03.01 | ``Erik | iirc, it's just 16 control points |
| 01:03.51 | brlcad | teapot isn't solid geometry |
| 01:04.04 | ``Erik | wait, no, 28 patches in the original |
| 01:04.14 | brlcad | handling non-solid ON_Brep objects hasn't been looked into |
| 01:04.40 | ``Erik | ah, okie, I figured it might be magically handled in the guts of opennurbs :) *shrug* |
| 01:05.52 | starseeker | this is probably informative once it can be related to the nurbs surfaces: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/rebuilt_sphere_270_0.png |
| 01:05.59 | brlcad | same surface intersection and trimming logic, but that all has to be handled up in the shot() routine |
| 01:07.51 | hippieindamakin8 | silently observes. |
| 01:08.08 | starseeker | it's almost as if the surfaces are being rendered up to some maximum absolute x, y or z and then nothing |
| 01:08.08 | brlcad | not so silent :) |
| 01:08.16 | hippieindamakin8 | :P |
| 01:09.15 | starseeker | will have to take a hard look at how the line renderings are done and see if edges can be incorporated as an option |
| 01:09.53 | starseeker | if those it would be helpful to be able to see the makeup of the surfaces |
| 01:11.00 | starseeker | suppose it can be compared with the complete sphere... |
| 01:11.09 | starseeker | alright, I'm getting out of here :-) |
| 01:11.12 | starseeker | bbl |
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| 01:37.36 | dreeves | starseeker yes I confirmed last night it was holes. BTW it is entirely possible to see dark spots with out the slow change in color. I have seen cases where were on the edge of a surfaces and it calculates a normal perpendicular to the ray. In order to confirm it wasn't that I checked every normal and when one was near perpendicular I reset to reverse the ray direction which will make the pixel light up they didn't |
| 01:39.34 | dreeves | so obviously it was a hole which really surprised me because I wasn't getting errors for odd number of hit points. If it missed on the front it should have hit on the other side and reported errors. I isn't which means it isn't only missing the front but also the surface behind it |
| 01:41.23 | dreeves | that is what drove me to rt from different ae when I noticed everything went to hell in a hand basket pdq. Was some what encouraging though believe it or not because at least it isn't wasn't a tolerance problem. Just dealing with something wrong. |
| 01:44.59 | dreeves | I don't think it is anything real serious because obviously we are able to calculate intersection and appear to that we somewhat understand the trim geometry. BTW I can turn off trimming and still see the problem so this isn't trimming doing this. |
| 01:47.35 | dreeves | The front side it is scary because it looks like an edge but I don't think it is because when I shot from the other angle a lot more was missing than an edge. IMO something is going on with interpretation of the geometry that is causing the problem |
| 01:48.03 | brlcad | dreeves: note that the phong shader will automatically flip a backward-facing normal |
| 01:48.37 | brlcad | should see "shade_inputs(object) flip N ..." messages if it does |
| 01:50.33 | dreeves | yeah I new that was the case but if it is near perpendicular and not perpendicular or more I was thinking it might not be flipping that |
| 01:50.59 | dreeves | either was it is definitely a hole |
| 01:51.15 | brlcad | yeah, if it's just "nearly" perpendicular, it'll come back |
| 01:51.37 | dreeves | are you saying it will flip it? |
| 01:51.39 | brlcad | BN_VECT_ARE_PERP() is using the default tolerance |
| 01:51.53 | brlcad | if it's nearly perpendicular, it won't |
| 01:52.03 | dreeves | right that was my thinking |
| 01:53.15 | dreeves | The delay in me working this isn't because I'm struggling I just got busy on the day job. I'm actually pretty confident we can fix this pdq |
| 01:53.47 | dreeves | I was worried when I thought it was a tolerance issue but now that I know it isn't I feel better |
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| 01:55.37 | brlcad | nods |
| 01:55.50 | brlcad | there are plenty of tolerance issues remaining, no worries there ;) |
| 01:58.58 | dreeves | nods :) |
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| 04:28.52 | PrezKennedy | whole bunch of you guys got dumped at once |
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| 11:13.53 | d-lo | mernin all! |
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| 11:20.10 | d-lo | howdy there brlcad! |
| 11:20.21 | brlcad | hellos |
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| 11:34.22 | mafm | hi |
| 11:34.55 | d-lo | hai mafm! |
| 11:35.03 | brlcad | d-lo: nice work commenting on the apps |
| 11:35.20 | d-lo | puffs out chest. |
| 11:35.21 | d-lo | thanks! |
| 11:35.35 | brlcad | if any jumped out at you over the one that you're assigned to, mentors can still be swapped around |
| 11:35.55 | brlcad | technical mentoring is still group-based, but the mentor assigned does much of the logistic tracking |
| 11:36.42 | d-lo | I was actually thinking about the GUI project.... might be a better fit for me. If starseeker doesn't care of course. |
| 11:37.16 | brlcad | everyone wants the gui :) |
| 11:37.46 | d-lo | I don't think i could provide the proper level of mentoring for libpc, revolve/sweep, or BREP. |
| 11:39.27 | brlcad | remember that it's not so much the technical side, it's just being able to keep track of how much they've done |
| 11:39.31 | brlcad | how active they've been |
| 11:39.42 | d-lo | Importers, sure, but the hardcore math stuff I am not so strong with. |
| 11:39.48 | brlcad | how much of what they said they were going to do did they actually finish |
| 11:40.12 | d-lo | okay, thats as much as i figured. Its the 'technical questions' that are sure to pop up ;) |
| 11:40.26 | brlcad | technical questions belong to the whole team |
| 11:40.37 | brlcad | they should intentionally be out in the open |
| 11:40.43 | d-lo | but i suppose there is a decent support network in place. |
| 11:41.22 | brlcad | for example, there should be no private discussions -- no PMs on IRC to talk technical issues |
| 11:41.29 | d-lo | pffft. look at this. 'we can still swap mentors around' but when i take him up on the offer, its 'Noooooooooooooo sir!' ;) |
| 11:41.36 | brlcad | should all be on this channel or on the wiki or on the devel mailing list |
| 11:41.37 | d-lo | j/k |
| 11:42.06 | brlcad | nah, that's possible -- have to talk to cliff |
| 11:42.33 | brlcad | libged connection is why you were added to the one you're on |
| 11:42.46 | brlcad | since that relates to the GS a bit |
| 11:42.52 | d-lo | its all good. I am happy where I am at. |
| 11:42.53 | brlcad | but the gui has a similar connection |
| 11:43.11 | d-lo | can't shy away from new things *too* much |
| 11:43.13 | brlcad | and more importantly, gui should be using GS directly |
| 11:43.39 | brlcad | just I don't expect it'll actually get that far over the summer |
| 11:43.54 | d-lo | well now, i just might have to crack the whip a bit ;) |
| 11:43.58 | brlcad | would rather see the gui get to a solid framework state with no/little backend support |
| 11:44.07 | brlcad | have it look good |
| 11:44.12 | d-lo | 'what the 'ell is Google payin ya for boy?!' :) |
| 11:44.34 | d-lo | agreed |
| 11:45.42 | d-lo | is there anyway to make Saunders wire in the gui to the existing build system vice cmake ? |
| 11:46.57 | brlcad | how so? |
| 11:47.15 | brlcad | it alread is using cmake |
| 11:47.24 | d-lo | haven't looked at it in a while, but doesn't the the new gui, g3d, or whatever its called use cmake? |
| 11:47.39 | mafm | yes, it is |
| 11:47.52 | d-lo | points to mafm. There he is! |
| 11:47.56 | brlcad | it works similar to the gs -- you build and install brl-cad, then it builds against the brl-cad libs in cmake |
| 11:48.30 | d-lo | just wondering if it would be cleaner to keep the build systems uniform, thats all. pros/cons? |
| 11:48.38 | brlcad | he actually updated it to use our pkg-config files too, so it finds the deps to link against nicely |
| 11:48.48 | mafm | I just didn't understand the Saunders, wire and vice words in your phrase :D |
| 11:49.17 | brlcad | d-lo: lemme know when you're done converting all of the main module build to cmake and we can talk about integration :) |
| 11:49.54 | brlcad | otherwise it could be an autotools based project, but we'd picked cmake because it's generally better for new code |
| 11:50.52 | d-lo | ah, kk. So would it be 'better' to make rt^3 build via cmake since its techically all 'newer' code? |
| 11:51.09 | brlcad | yeah |
| 11:51.43 | d-lo | strokes his chin. Hrm.... |
| 11:51.58 | mafm | isn't it yet? |
| 11:52.11 | brlcad | rt^3's build predates cmake being useful so it was mirrored off the main module |
| 11:52.23 | mafm | ops :) |
| 11:52.24 | brlcad | mafm: not yet |
| 11:52.54 | d-lo | wonders if a convert to cmake, now, would be better, rather than waiting till rt^3 gets more complex and cluttered... |
| 11:53.28 | brlcad | it would |
| 11:53.54 | brlcad | further it goes, the more entrenched and less beneficial a move |
| 11:53.57 | mafm | coreInterface is small, shouldn't be much of a problem I guess, if not already |
| 11:54.28 | d-lo | grumbles about just getting this blasted Work computer working with autotools... |
| 11:54.44 | mafm | ogre & co. in src/other are using their own build systems (but called from cmake IIRC), I produced cmake for RBGui and Mocha that will be gone |
| 11:55.08 | brlcad | like the main module -- the cost vs benefit just isnt there for us to convert the build to cmake because it's so well developed, complete, with lots of tuned behavior and options that would be very time-consuming to replicate and retest in cmake |
| 11:55.37 | d-lo | nods at brlcad. |
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| 11:55.48 | brlcad | so autoconf isn't going away anytime soon :) |
| 11:56.05 | brlcad | we'll just have two |
| 11:56.30 | d-lo | two? build systems? |
| 11:56.34 | brlcad | actually still works rather nicely to have distinctly separate barrier between the lib layers |
| 11:57.13 | brlcad | yeah, two build systems -- the core (brlcad) and then an overlay (rt^3) |
| 11:57.33 | d-lo | kk, just making sure I understood what you typed =D |
| 12:00.21 | d-lo | as for rt^3/src/ director structure, i am thinking of doing some re-organizing. It kinda bugs me that there are several aspects of the project going on at the same time with little to no communications and people are putting things wherever they want (myself included) |
| 12:01.45 | d-lo | and if the rt^3 dividing lines (GUI, GS, GE) are acceptable, I am thinking of re-org'ing the dirs a bit to represent that. |
| 12:01.45 | d-lo | especially if we end up with multiple GUIs |
| 12:03.03 | mafm | ok for me, svn preserves history and everything, so no big disadvantages |
| 12:03.59 | d-lo | I think daniel is the only other major worker bee in the rt3 module, so I might email him/use the devel mailing list. |
| 12:04.15 | d-lo | of course, i might just re-org now and as permission later ;) |
| 12:04.46 | brlcad | yeah, those should definitely be three distinct "products" by themselves with GS dependent on GE, GUI dependent on GS, all three dependent on core |
| 12:04.48 | d-lo | and thats just cause I dont know what is 'politically correct' in the OS world yet :) |
| 12:05.12 | d-lo | core == common stuff |
| 12:05.14 | brlcad | re-org would be great, but it should be communicated |
| 12:05.15 | d-lo | -or- |
| 12:05.22 | d-lo | core == brlcad module |
| 12:05.25 | d-lo | ? |
| 12:05.25 | brlcad | brlcad module |
| 12:05.26 | d-lo | kk |
| 12:05.58 | brlcad | they may have some common code, classes that are shared -- but I wouldn't plan for them having shared sublibs just yet |
| 12:06.33 | brlcad | as that common code probably just belongs down with GE if it is common |
| 12:08.03 | brlcad | should e-mail daniel (or any dev) directly on dev matters, the mailing list communicates that openly much better |
| 12:08.15 | brlcad | it's a pretty small list, not like the discussion wanders off-topic into arguments |
| 12:08.33 | d-lo | heh, 'down with GE'.... 80's rap song about General Electric... |
| 12:09.41 | brlcad | how about proposing the overall reorg structure to the list, then work towards that structure incrementally |
| 12:11.19 | d-lo | brlcad: working on an email right now. I do not think that it will cause much of a 'wave in the water' to reorg src/ into src/guis/ src/gs/ src/ge src/common and src/other |
| 12:11.31 | brlcad | or at least making the changes incrementally so that if an issue comes up, it's not mixed in with 100 other reorg changes |
| 12:11.52 | d-lo | nods. Understood |
| 12:12.24 | brlcad | heh, I wouldn't plan on multiple guis until we have a distinct need |
| 12:12.28 | d-lo | plus it will give a good history and allow people to make fun of me when i do something stupid =D |
| 12:12.36 | brlcad | have enough work ahead to get one working well |
| 12:12.49 | brlcad | what is src/common? |
| 12:13.25 | d-lo | place to put code common to guis/ gs/ and ge/ (if it actually exists) |
| 12:14.13 | brlcad | bikeshed difference, but src/GUI, src/GS, src/GE (caps) would reflect their c++ nature well :) |
| 12:14.23 | d-lo | i only thought that src/common might be useful since the guis may not want to include the entire libge |
| 12:14.29 | brlcad | ah, that was my point earlier -- if it's actually common, it probably belongs in GE |
| 12:15.56 | d-lo | yeah, i was thinking about that point, and i can't come up with anything that the GUIs would need that would be in GE... but I suppose we can work that issue when it arises |
| 12:16.13 | d-lo | 'if' it comes up at all. |
| 12:16.19 | brlcad | yeah |
| 12:16.25 | brlcad | leave it out until needed |
| 12:16.37 | d-lo | you minimalist you. |
| 12:16.55 | hippieindamakin8 | giggles |
| 12:17.10 | brlcad | the various lib dirs in src/lib* were organized that same way you're suggesting before GE came on the scene |
| 12:17.25 | brlcad | those libs collectively were the start of a GE themselves |
| 12:17.44 | brlcad | geometry, image, network, numeric, raytrace, and utility (common) services |
| 12:17.50 | d-lo | well then, sounds like an easy mv command or two! |
| 12:18.01 | d-lo | ;) |
| 12:18.28 | brlcad | most everything daniel's done to date fits under that geometry category |
| 12:18.53 | brlcad | GS picked up that network category |
| 12:19.08 | brlcad | (so ge longer has it) |
| 12:26.01 | d-lo | your words speak true. I had felt a disturbance in the rt3 module for some time, but couldn't put my finger on what it was.... |
| 12:26.03 | brlcad | it shouldn't be too hard to get a consensus on the basic layout -- more just an issue of merging the right things together without losing any of the invested effort on the old or various new codes that have since kicked off |
| 12:27.36 | brlcad | there's actually not much duplication as it is, just four people that have ignored what the previous coder left in place :) |
| 12:28.02 | d-lo | are you refering to lib* dirs? |
| 12:28.42 | brlcad | for the first guy, yeah |
| 12:28.56 | brlcad | then the next guy ignored the lib dirs and what the second guy added |
| 12:29.15 | brlcad | then the next guy ignored the lib dirs, what the second guy added, and the third guy, ... :) |
| 12:29.22 | brlcad | kinda funny, but classic |
| 12:29.31 | brlcad | mostly because it's a sandbox |
| 12:29.52 | brlcad | wasn't a pressing need to hardline the organization until recently |
| 12:30.11 | brlcad | so time to refactor! |
| 12:32.07 | brlcad | plus the switch in build systems made it even more tricky to merge them half-way through |
| 12:32.17 | brlcad | and is really the brunt of the work even now |
| 12:32.54 | brlcad | the org itself isn't complicated or riddled with pitfalls (unless code is deleted) |
| 12:33.03 | brlcad | it's wiring up the build |
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| 15:17.23 | PrezKennedy | waves to brlcad |
| 15:17.31 | brlcad | howdy |
| 15:17.35 | brlcad | digest all that meat yet? |
| 15:17.38 | PrezKennedy | yeah! |
| 15:17.43 | PrezKennedy | finally |
| 15:27.03 | ``Erik | uh, way tmi |
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| 16:31.40 | jdoliner | have selections been announced publicly somewhere? |
| 16:39.04 | pacman87 | jdoliner: official announcement is still the 20th, i believe |
| 16:40.19 | pacman87 | although the topic disagrees with me |
| 17:01.04 | jdoliner | yeah, this is what led to my confusion as well |
| 17:01.09 | jdoliner | how many slots did yu guys get? |
| 17:01.44 | brlcad | 5 |
| 17:02.15 | brlcad | ah right, topic .. the selections are pretty near final on the 15th, but we cannot announce until the 20th |
| 17:03.09 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || GSoC2009 Next Step: selections are made, they will be announced (by Google) on the 20th | |
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| 17:20.20 | brlcad | howdy poolio |
| 17:20.37 | poolio | ahoy! |
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| 17:21.40 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad , pacman87 |
| 17:21.51 | brlcad | poolio: how goes the semester? |
| 17:21.58 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 17:22.08 | poolio | I just was catching up on e-mail... are the mentor-student assignments all worked out? |
| 17:22.16 | brlcad | yeah |
| 17:22.32 | brlcad | unless you want an assignment, you're welcome to one |
| 17:22.42 | brlcad | really shouldn't be assigned, for example |
| 17:22.53 | poolio | brlcad: it's been good, but insanely busy. working two jobs and 7 classes :) |
| 17:24.46 | poolio | hmm, well it looks like the only project I could possibly be helpful on is the BREP on BREP one, and it looks like there's already someone who is not you on that. I'll definitely be idling around here over the summer and try to provide as much help as I can, maybe even finish up on some of that CSG -> BREP stuff now that I get it |
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| 17:26.19 | brlcad | poolio: the assigned mentors are more for logistic tracking, not technical guidance -- technical is group-shared so you can help out with that one regardless |
| 17:26.39 | brlcad | also, selections aren't announced, so hush on the projects :) |
| 17:26.43 | brlcad | bah |
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| 17:27.01 | poolio | will do |
| 17:27.19 | brlcad | also, selections aren't announced, so hush on the projects .. :) |
| 17:29.31 | poolio | oopsy daisy. sorry bout that... what I meant to say was if such a project were accepted into GSOC then ... |
| 17:29.46 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:30.35 | brlcad | it's okay, if folks were closely paying attention, it's pretty clear who at least 4 of the 5 are |
| 17:31.13 | brlcad | at least .. "in all likelihood" |
| 17:31.39 | elena | ;) |
| 17:34.18 | brlcad | hm, I suppose our project priorities ( http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png ) conceivably narrows in a little too |
| 17:34.27 | brlcad | though there are a couple outliers, hm, maybe not |
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| 19:06.03 | dreeves | brlcad and starseeker shoot the dented sphere from the side with trimming definitely not dented |
| 19:06.35 | dreeves | So maybe there still is some issues with trimming |
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| 20:47.23 | jonored_ | ...Well, I can get the principal curvatures for a point on a nurbs surface, but not the associated direction yet... |
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| 01:02.21 | ``Erik | bakes dinner and watches futurama |
| 01:30.56 | yukonbob | afternoon, cadheads |
| 01:41.17 | jonored | finds the implementation of what he just derived in amongst the openNURBS code, and facepalms. |
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| 02:56.14 | brlcad | jonored: hehe |
| 03:01.26 | brlcad | though have to actually look at the implementation -- some functions they define (and have implemented in their commercial API product), but don't actually have an implementation |
| 03:07.59 | jonored | The implementation looks about like what I was headed at. |
| 03:12.39 | brlcad | cool |
| 03:13.03 | brlcad | that's frustrating but also releiving to find things like that |
| 03:13.24 | brlcad | like working through a hard math problem, only to realize it's in the answer key in the back and you got it right |
| 03:13.32 | jonored | ON_EvPrincipalCurvatures in opennurbs_math.cpp - it looks plausible that it's doing what it should, I haven't checked for exact equivalence but it would be surprising. |
| 03:14.28 | jonored | I've gotten a chunk more of an idea how to approach issues of applied differential geometry, at least :) |
| 03:14.47 | jonored | (er, would be surprising to have that much and not doing its job.) |
| 03:35.16 | ``Erik | yowza, both daily show and colbert report are on a roll concerning the "teabaggers" |
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| 07:21.22 | Ralith | Sir Morrison |
| 07:21.23 | Ralith | hehe |
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| 08:27.24 | _pseudo | irc on my ipod! |
| 08:27.42 | pacman87 | ^^ that's me, btw |
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| 08:30.16 | _pseudo_ | unstable app + unstable wireless |
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| 09:14.11 | pacman87 | ssh + screen + irssi would be a much better solution |
| 09:16.26 | archivist | unstable wireless should be killed at birth |
| 10:24.33 | d-lo | yawns. |
| 10:24.39 | d-lo | Morning all! |
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| 11:11.55 | d-lo | hahahaha: http://www.rpgjunction.com/verizon_cheque.jpg-48.html |
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| 11:51.54 | brlcad | a check for 0.002, funny |
| 11:56.06 | archivist | I like the cursor magnifier on that page |
| 12:26.44 | brlcad | good answer |
| 12:26.47 | brlcad | (dave) |
| 12:29.07 | d-lo | still trying to get the hang of this Politically Correct talk ;) But thanks. |
| 12:38.10 | ``Erik | allows js for that page... yes, a reasonably neat trick |
| 12:39.02 | ``Erik | wait, isn't randall monroe the guy who does xkcd? |
| 12:39.56 | d-lo | sure looks like it. |
| 12:40.12 | archivist | a google sez yes |
| 12:45.17 | d-lo | ``Erik: how many astros you got now? 15 |
| 12:48.18 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, some of the people i know run irssi on this small device called pogoplug using ssh+screen |
| 12:48.27 | ``Erik | 15 on epsi, 9 on fenix |
| 12:48.47 | ``Erik | my two new epsi astros are throwing up pringles and have no spaceports and eco's in the 70's |
| 12:48.56 | ``Erik | plus a few dn's and some ft cloud over them |
| 12:49.10 | ``Erik | NOT profitable targets :D |
| 12:49.37 | d-lo | niceness. |
| 12:50.09 | ``Erik | this exercise needs to happen, I have two planets with empty production queues that can churn out levis |
| 12:50.13 | d-lo | was poking around on the epsi site last night and saw your 4K econ. Nice :) |
| 12:50.25 | d-lo | what excersize? |
| 12:50.39 | ``Erik | um, the big gathering in 81 to go jack with anti |
| 12:51.13 | ``Erik | after thte slz crash, we got a nap with just about every 'superpower' we're not friends with heh, but anti has been hitting the newbs left and right |
| 12:51.15 | d-lo | only been back in the saddle for 2 days now. :) |
| 12:54.09 | d-lo | when is the 81ex going to launch? |
| 13:05.37 | brlcad | so what level are you two up to? |
| 13:05.58 | d-lo | as in player level? 54 i think. |
| 13:06.59 | d-lo | brlcad: you still playing? |
| 13:07.09 | brlcad | sorta |
| 13:07.24 | brlcad | i keep it going, slowly build up |
| 13:08.15 | d-lo | cool. I got the impression that you quit out of bordom |
| 13:08.52 | brlcad | pretty well fortified now, fewer and fewer pot shots |
| 13:09.19 | d-lo | guildless still working out for ya I see :) |
| 13:09.25 | brlcad | pretty well |
| 13:09.42 | brlcad | and a few guilds that protect me |
| 13:14.01 | d-lo | ... how is the ogre library in rt^3 compiled? I don't see how.... |
| 13:16.41 | d-lo | nm |
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| 13:24.08 | ``Erik | pixie dust |
| 13:24.21 | d-lo | just about :) |
| 13:24.22 | ``Erik | I've scrapped some big fleet in gate crashes, so I'm down to 50ish |
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| 13:25.33 | ``Erik | the game has become more of a combination of espionage against a possible future competitor and establishing a network of friends to sucker into seeding a new userbase for me |
| 13:25.35 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 13:25.39 | ``Erik | practices his evil laugh some |
| 13:25.45 | starseeker | jeez that was weird |
| 13:25.56 | starseeker | has apparently been knocked off for 2 days |
| 13:26.17 | starseeker | mutter... |
| 13:26.23 | starseeker | where do we stash the archives again? |
| 13:27.04 | ``Erik | archives of what? |
| 13:27.09 | starseeker | irc chats |
| 13:27.51 | ``Erik | google tells me http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ |
| 13:28.27 | d-lo | ``Erik: are you saying that you have started work on your game? |
| 13:28.29 | starseeker | scowls at google for not telling him that |
| 13:28.56 | ``Erik | planning, coding toy apps to verify knowledge |
| 13:29.07 | starseeker | bookmarks it this time |
| 13:37.23 | starseeker | glares at the cat, who is mistaking the living room for a race track |
| 13:37.46 | d-lo | better a racetrack than a litterbox! |
| 13:39.09 | madant | ~help |
| 13:39.14 | ``Erik | give it a potato http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=nkHBuh21AMg |
| 13:40.23 | archivist | heh on the same trak as me ``Erik I just been watching that kitteh |
| 13:40.48 | ``Erik | in ur intarwebz, steelin' ur branewavez |
| 13:42.20 | brlcad | ~logs |
| 13:42.21 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
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| 15:09.40 | d-lo | d_rossberg: are you around? |
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| 15:22.31 | d_rossberg | d-lo: partial, i'm writing a reply to your brlcad-devel mail |
| 15:22.45 | d-lo | kk, thats what I was going to ask about :) |
| 16:18.16 | brlcad | responds, open to talk here or list in follow-up |
| 16:18.56 | brlcad | sounds like there's a disconnect about what the goals of the GS actually are |
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| 16:29.13 | d_rossberg | brlcad: i looked at the GE header files in rt^3, they are different from what i did |
| 16:29.35 | d_rossberg | they have even few in common from what i did in the core interfac |
| 16:31.34 | d_rossberg | maybe GE should be defined more precisely before this can be decided finally |
| 16:31.54 | d_rossberg | (this was the conclusion of 1)) |
| 16:33.16 | brlcad | d_rossberg: that GE files are very much a work-in-progress -- several of the classes there belong over in the GS, not the GE, for example |
| 16:33.37 | d_rossberg | this could be the point |
| 16:33.45 | brlcad | all that is left is a few geometry object classes |
| 16:33.55 | brlcad | and that overlaps very much with what you've done |
| 16:34.13 | brlcad | your classes are more in-line with the direction it still needs to go regardless |
| 16:34.23 | d_rossberg | and many of them are already in work (the object classes) |
| 16:34.36 | brlcad | you mean in core? |
| 16:36.41 | d_rossberg | the cone, torus etc. (8 pieces) are currently in work for the core interface |
| 16:37.14 | brlcad | much of what is presently in the GE dir was worked out primarily as a means to sort out what the GS needed to accomplish its task, some stubbed, some that needed to be in GS but was put into GE, it's not actually all been "sorted out" -- the emphasis was on the GS |
| 16:37.44 | brlcad | so it can (and necessarily will) change, quite a bit |
| 16:38.13 | brlcad | from a design goal perspective, though, what was done in jbrlcad and what you've done in core are what GE is supposed to envelop |
| 16:38.49 | d_rossberg | you see, if i look at what i have (brlcad wiki, sources in rt^3) i have to come to the conclusion GE != coreInterface |
| 16:39.03 | d_rossberg | therefore i will wait for the changes |
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| 16:39.49 | d_rossberg | e.g. dave may show how he would like to see the coreInterface integrated into his concept of a GE |
| 16:40.39 | d_rossberg | on the other side, his top-down approach wasn't so bad |
| 16:41.29 | d_rossberg | my impression was, the the GE is a concept of how a CAD interface should look like |
| 16:42.06 | d_rossberg | then we may see how this concept can be realised with help of the core interface |
| 16:42.24 | brlcad | yeah, I think that's the biggest difference |
| 16:42.35 | brlcad | you were coming at it bottom-up, he was top-down |
| 16:43.07 | brlcad | your experience with LIBRT greatly influenced the bottom-up (and is probably why I like it so much) |
| 16:43.17 | brlcad | his top-down was mostly driven by GS requirements |
| 16:43.52 | brlcad | there's a middle ground in there somewhere I'm sure, and it's closer to LIBRT than it is to the GS.. |
| 16:45.25 | d_rossberg | is away (for some minutes) |
| 16:45.42 | brlcad | I would like to (very LONG-term) end up with an API similar to Geomis/ACIS/Solidworks, etc, but not so much mirroring their API as using our libs and requirements and building up an API that allows apps to be written that utilize the GE (for writing viewers, CAD modelers, visualization apps, etc) |
| 16:45.58 | brlcad | too, must clean house |
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| 17:46.53 | ``Erik | clean mine while you're at it |
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| 18:53.15 | ``Erik | http://www.netzgesta.de/sphere/ heh, noscript makes it look pretty stupid though :) |
| 18:54.25 | ``Erik | I do like that it has a fake "guru meditation" window that the js hides, that's nifty |
| 18:55.17 | ``Erik | eck, license suckage, though |
| 18:55.28 | d-lo | yeah saw that. |
| 18:55.39 | d-lo | but hey, hack hac hack. |
| 18:57.22 | ``Erik | hm, 'onmousemove' is nifty, it's vrry fast on osX ff |
| 19:05.21 | d-lo | ``Erik: email sent! |
| 19:06.28 | ``Erik | w00t |
| 19:08.43 | B_wooster | is sorry for the spam |
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| 19:58.13 | ``Erik | has another lowhanging fruit idea for people new to BRL-CAD development and looking for a tiny project |
| 19:58.46 | ``Erik | opendb -r myfile.g for forcing a read-only open (even if the file permissions allow write) |
| 19:59.44 | ``Erik | (and a read-only checkbox in the db open dialog) |
| 20:09.13 | jonored_ | Is there somewhere I can grab a nurbs object to test this with? I can't seem to find the .g files for the test cases shown at http://brlcad.org/wiki/BREP_Primitive and would like to see whether I'm getting plausible curvatures out... |
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| 20:56.18 | dreeves3 | jonored hang on I will tell you where you can get the .g file |
| 20:57.20 | dreeves3 | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_test.g |
| 20:57.30 | dreeves3 | jonored_^^^^^ |
| 20:58.07 | dreeves3 | open nurbs is giving good curvatures....What are you working on? |
| 21:00.40 | brlcad | notes that should be http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_tests.g |
| 21:02.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1418 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ link to the test geometry |
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| 21:25.20 | jonored_ | dreeves2: Oh, did you already get rt_brep_curve done and just not have it in the repo? |
| 21:26.49 | brlcad | I think he just meant in general |
| 21:27.03 | brlcad | curve() and norm() are still unimplemented afaik |
| 21:32.15 | jonored_ | Actually, I'm pretty sure that the proper implementation of norm given the current implementation of shot /is/ an empty method. It looks (at least to me) that shot is filling it in already. |
| 21:32.44 | brlcad | shot does a guess based on the hit point and ray direction if the primitive did nothing |
| 21:32.53 | brlcad | if that's the right answer, the primitive should still do that work |
| 21:38.02 | jonored_ | I mean that rt_brep_shot is setting hit_normal already - looks to me like it's getting the information as part of finding the point anyhow, so might as well keep it. |
| 22:04.15 | brlcad | hmm |
| 22:04.22 | Ralith | afternoon all |
| 22:04.28 | Ralith | how goes, jonored_? |
| 22:08.23 | jonored_ | Not bad. Heading out soon, though. |
| 22:08.40 | starseeker | ooo - http://www.fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Fab@Home:Model_1_Bill_of_Materials#Full_System_CAD_Files |
| 22:10.05 | brlcad | starseeker: heh, interesting find |
| 22:10.30 | starseeker | adds it to his archive of open cad goodies |
| 22:10.49 | starseeker | will need to get ahold of a working Solidworks to properly convert it though |
| 22:10.54 | brlcad | good set of test cases if someone works on the sldprt converter |
| 22:11.18 | brlcad | ah, they provide conversions already too |
| 22:11.35 | brlcad | for at least one of them |
| 22:12.12 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:12.21 | starseeker | I don't think that's the full model though |
| 22:14.05 | brlcad | wonders if starseeker would rather be mentoring a certain (unmentionable until the 20th) applicant that is presently assigned to me given his interest |
| 22:14.12 | starseeker | the source code seems to be BSD licensed - not sure if that applies to the models... |
| 22:14.15 | starseeker | checks |
| 22:14.32 | starseeker | ah |
| 22:14.44 | brlcad | kinda right up your alley :) |
| 22:14.44 | starseeker | yeah, that might work |
| 22:15.05 | brlcad | related to GS priority too |
| 22:15.17 | brlcad | (loosely) |
| 22:15.19 | starseeker | is just a sucker for nice purty screenshots of sophisticated models in BRL-CAD ;-) |
| 22:15.46 | starseeker | not to mention the test case angle |
| 22:16.24 | Ralith | pretty pictures are always great fun. |
| 22:16.36 | brlcad | I think it would be awesome if you could just upload an unspecified file to a site and have it give you a sheet of information about it -- objects in the file, types, conversions to other formats, various automatic renderings |
| 22:16.55 | Ralith | mightn't that be a pretty big CPU load? |
| 22:17.02 | Ralith | I suppose heavy use of nice would render that moot |
| 22:17.02 | brlcad | so queue it up |
| 22:17.21 | Ralith | I'd just be concerned about scalability if it got popular |
| 22:17.30 | starseeker | brlcad: that only works for non-commercial formats though |
| 22:17.40 | Ralith | not hard to distribute, though. |
| 22:17.40 | starseeker | proe/solidworks/etc. are a no-go |
| 22:17.47 | brlcad | starseeker: not necessarily |
| 22:17.51 | starseeker | blinks |
| 22:17.52 | brlcad | exporting sure |
| 22:17.56 | Ralith | starseeker: why? patents? |
| 22:17.56 | brlcad | but not importing |
| 22:18.06 | brlcad | that's just up to our ability to read/write them |
| 22:18.06 | starseeker | Ralith: file format parsing |
| 22:18.08 | jonored_ | Would look kind of like thingiverse.com but doing more? |
| 22:18.20 | brlcad | sldprt is a published spec iirc -- that's why it's on my list |
| 22:18.31 | starseeker | oh - solidworks part? |
| 22:18.33 | brlcad | sltprt/sldasm files are like iges |
| 22:18.51 | brlcad | complex support but easily parsed |
| 22:18.56 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:19.09 | brlcad | someone motivated could probably whip something up in a really short amount of time |
| 22:19.15 | starseeker | I was sure Pro-E was a non-starter though? |
| 22:19.44 | brlcad | jonored_: interesting, hadn't heard of them |
| 22:20.17 | brlcad | depends -- it is possible, but it'd take more development effort |
| 22:20.28 | starseeker | (actually, can't take credit for finding the fab@home models - emailed and asked ;-) |
| 22:20.37 | brlcad | the converter we have wasn't made to be stand-alone -- it was made to be a pro/e plugin |
| 22:20.56 | starseeker | right |
| 22:20.57 | brlcad | but the unigraphics converter, for example, was similarly designed but is stand-alone |
| 22:21.23 | starseeker | either way though, I'd have thought licensing restrictions would put the kabosh on wholesale conversions like that |
| 22:21.30 | brlcad | their libraries allow linkage and redistribution after you go through some horribly absurd locking/unlocking process |
| 22:21.51 | starseeker | blinks |
| 22:22.36 | brlcad | it's a lot easier to explain by going through the process but basically (at least for unigraphics/nx) you link up your exporter against their libraries and it works just fine for your licensed system |
| 22:22.42 | brlcad | but it won't work anywhere else |
| 22:22.52 | starseeker | ah |
| 22:22.58 | brlcad | then there's another "unlock" step that you apply to your binary |
| 22:23.15 | brlcad | takes about a half-hour (and has nothing to do with cpu time) |
| 22:23.26 | brlcad | then that binary will work anywhere |
| 22:23.37 | starseeker | interesting |
| 22:23.54 | brlcad | that's how we used to distribute it .. and one we should get around to updating and getting working again next time someone needs to poke NX |
| 22:26.25 | brlcad | jonored_: yeah, looks sort of similar to thingiverse but little more focus on the models and model data itself and less/no focus on what it's used for |
| 22:30.14 | brlcad | wonders if that is a rails app |
| 22:32.16 | jonored_ | doesn't know how they've got that set up, but it's associated with the reprap crowd. |
| 22:32.28 | brlcad | nods |
| 22:32.52 | brlcad | understandable, strong focus on rapid prototyping and machining |
| 22:33.08 | brlcad | cool, http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:249 |
| 22:33.42 | Ralith | yeah, it's zach's |
| 22:34.30 | starseeker | hmm - stl |
| 22:34.47 | Ralith | everything reprap is stl right now. |
| 22:34.52 | Ralith | kind of a shame |
| 22:35.20 | Ralith | in fact, it was reprap and the horrid lack of good CAD free tools that got me into CAD in the first place |
| 22:35.27 | brlcad | starseeker: if you've not seen this .. contains most of the classics: http://www.lodbook.com/models/ |
| 22:36.06 | starseeker | oo - thanks |
| 22:36.18 | starseeker | I'd see the stanford site with their models |
| 22:36.34 | Ralith | stanford seems to have a lot of small statuettes. |
| 22:36.40 | brlcad | yeah, but they also link to a bunch of other entire repositories of models |
| 22:37.14 | brlcad | Ralith: they are one of the main powerhouses that kicked off most of the research on converting laser-scan data into 3D models |
| 22:37.24 | Ralith | cool |
| 22:38.09 | brlcad | you can't go to siggraph without seeing a stanford bunny at least .. a few times |
| 22:38.25 | starseeker | hmm... not to many that sound like they're really "open source" |
| 22:38.30 | Ralith | yeah, I"ve seen that around |
| 22:39.09 | starseeker | 's favorite visual from last year was a plastic bunny getting squeezed out of a press :-) |
| 22:39.38 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, woah ... |
| 22:39.42 | brlcad | I'd like our model repository to specifically cater to unrestricted use copyleft style |
| 22:39.56 | starseeker | would suggest we require it |
| 22:39.56 | Ralith | is someone applying to do that? |
| 22:40.09 | brlcad | starseeker: absolutely -- it's just "how far" |
| 22:40.16 | starseeker | ah, good poing |
| 22:40.17 | starseeker | er point |
| 22:40.31 | starseeker | do my bidding, fingers! |
| 22:40.51 | brlcad | e.g. whether to allow free for any use whatsover, exept commercial use, style licenses |
| 22:41.01 | brlcad | as that is most of the academic models |
| 22:41.18 | starseeker | those are annoying, but quite common |
| 22:41.31 | starseeker | I would say have a distinct, non-commercial section |
| 22:41.34 | starseeker | make it clear up front |
| 22:42.12 | Ralith | that seems to invite the creation of all sorts of sections for various licenses |
| 22:42.20 | Ralith | not a very clear place to draw a line. |
| 22:42.25 | starseeker | Ralith: no, not really |
| 22:42.38 | starseeker | some sort of filtered search is the general solution |
| 22:42.55 | Ralith | why not just prominently display the license for each model, and leave it nice and general? |
| 22:42.58 | starseeker | but the commercial/non-commercial use distinction is pretty common |
| 22:42.59 | brlcad | on the other extreme, whether to allow something akin to a "GPL" licensed model, or limit it only to LGPL/BSD/MIT/BY/BY-SA style licenses |
| 22:43.27 | starseeker | isn't even sure what GPL/LGPL really mean for CAD models |
| 22:43.47 | brlcad | Ralith: mostly to avoid the problem of things like CGAL where all the best stuff is untouchable, and you have to hunt individually |
| 22:44.08 | Ralith | wouldn't a flexible search system as is par for the course these days suffice? |
| 22:44.15 | brlcad | starseeker: the spirit of those license, there are "CC equivalents" to GPL |
| 22:44.24 | starseeker | no, you don't want to parade the non-commercial stuff |
| 22:44.36 | starseeker | make it available, but encourage the totally free licenses |
| 22:44.47 | Ralith | I suppose isolating it would encourage people to license their stuff otherwise |
| 22:44.52 | brlcad | Ralith: possibly, but still can end up with the issue of having all the best stuff be untouchable |
| 22:45.07 | starseeker | exactly |
| 22:45.33 | Ralith | hadn't considered that many models probably won't already have a license associated |
| 22:45.48 | brlcad | specifically towards being a repository of freely unencumbered models that I know I can use |
| 22:45.51 | Ralith | (thus requiring the author to choose one in the context we present) |
| 22:45.51 | starseeker | open source CAD models are pretty rare |
| 22:46.03 | brlcad | exceptionally rare |
| 22:46.12 | Ralith | here's to hoping we can change that. |
| 22:46.18 | starseeker | so the time to start a trend is now :-) |
| 22:46.21 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 22:46.42 | starseeker | if a good body of freely available (commercial and non-commercial) models can be created and get most of the attention, that builds a momentum |
| 22:47.18 | Ralith | good PR for brl-cad itself, too. |
| 22:47.19 | hippieindamakin8 | ex: the model of the bussard reactor core |
| 22:47.23 | starseeker | sort of the way the FSF built up the GPL - if OpenSolaris had appeared just when the GPL was getting started, the world would probably look rather different now |
| 22:48.21 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: got a link for that? |
| 22:48.23 | Ralith | is curious |
| 22:48.38 | brlcad | also to be clear, really don't want to get into the business of how people license their works -- just want the scope of the repository to be a well-defined useful resource -- "open source" CAD models |
| 22:48.39 | Ralith | you mean the model that guy was working on? |
| 22:48.50 | jonored_ | hippieindamakin8: I was thinking the same thing... a good drawing of the internals of a polywell would be shiny... |
| 22:49.04 | starseeker | yes, only concerned with licensing of cad models as a means to an end |
| 22:49.16 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, yeah the one famulus is working on |
| 22:49.20 | Ralith | kk |
| 22:49.39 | starseeker | the end being lots of good quality free models :-) |
| 22:50.12 | starseeker | hmm |
| 22:50.21 | starseeker | (the cat insists on being petted) |
| 22:50.31 | Ralith | cats do that. |
| 22:50.46 | hippieindamakin8 | http://prometheusfusionperfection.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/fusor-core/ |
| 22:50.50 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, ^ |
| 22:50.53 | brlcad | ideally even scoping the site even further to distinguish or require that the models also be solid geometry, so that they are "real world" models |
| 22:51.00 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: yeah, I remember that |
| 22:51.46 | brlcad | things I could feed to a CNC or rapid prototyper or an analysis, compute weights/moments on, calculate volumes, etc |
| 22:53.08 | Ralith | oh yeah |
| 22:53.11 | Ralith | jonored_: how's the slicer doing? |
| 22:53.41 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i guess the repository can be integrated into drupal |
| 22:53.58 | brlcad | into anything really |
| 22:54.22 | jonored_ | Ralith: Most of the way cleaned up, but still taken a back seat to graduating. |
| 22:55.05 | Ralith | of course. Looking forward to playing with it. |
| 22:57.22 | Ralith | brlcad: did you have any further input on my milestones/timeline? |
| 22:59.19 | brlcad | Ralith: not today :) |
| 22:59.29 | Ralith | kk |
| 22:59.34 | brlcad | is decompressing a little |
| 22:59.50 | Ralith | that's always nice. |
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| 01:45.33 | starseeker | brlcad: I agree, real world geometry is the way to go |
| 01:53.28 | starseeker | wonders if we can get the ProE files for this sucker: http://www.longnow.org/projects/clock/prototype1/ |
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| 04:21.58 | yukonbob | happy friday, cadheads |
| 04:25.19 | pacman87 | good evening |
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| 14:11.06 | ``Erik | blinks and looks at the microsoft access database sitting in rt^3 |
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| 14:46.38 | madant | searches for his mojo |
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| 16:10.19 | brlcad | ``Erik: eh? |
| 16:16.33 | ``Erik | rt^3/docs/BME.eap ? |
| 16:17.51 | ``Erik | hmmm, that uml thingy dave uses must use access as the backend |
| 16:27.21 | brlcad | ah |
| 17:07.34 | starseeker | ew |
| 17:09.08 | starseeker | maybe http://argouml.tigris.org/ could work? |
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| 17:12.05 | FAMULUS | what would cause an object which has been Blasted to the canvas to show in a raytrace, but not in wireframe? |
| 17:26.00 | ``Erik | you mean like an overlay vs underlay issue? |
| 17:26.21 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: I can't see the object in wireframe view |
| 17:26.27 | FAMULUS | but I can see it when I raytrace |
| 17:26.45 | FAMULUS | feature or bug? |
| 17:27.28 | ``Erik | um, I'm not quite sure what state your mged is in, if you raytrace and have it in overlay (I think?) mode, the wireframe will not show |
| 17:27.39 | brlcad | starseeker: give it a go? only way to know would be to try it out |
| 17:28.37 | brlcad | FAMULUS: Settings -> Framebuffer -> turn off "Framebuffer Active" |
| 17:28.52 | brlcad | it's also a checkbox on the raytrace control panel |
| 17:29.46 | starseeker | brlcad: I'll ask him on Monday |
| 17:30.14 | starseeker | doubt it can import the access database, but maybe he can export it somehow |
| 17:30.25 | brlcad | starseeker: er, ask him what? :) I know he tried out various tools, most that just crashed a lot on him |
| 17:30.35 | brlcad | the only one that was mildly stable was the commercial one he's using now |
| 17:30.48 | brlcad | there are renderings of those class diagrams |
| 17:30.51 | starseeker | ask him to export the data from his commercial tool into some non-access form |
| 17:30.59 | starseeker | nods |
| 17:31.13 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/design/gs/ |
| 17:31.45 | starseeker | psd? |
| 17:32.00 | brlcad | photoshop |
| 17:32.06 | starseeker | ah |
| 17:32.16 | brlcad | gimp reads those iirc |
| 17:32.39 | starseeker | wonder why he stuck the access database into svn |
| 17:32.55 | brlcad | what erik said more than likely |
| 17:33.03 | brlcad | it just happens to be what the software uses on the backend |
| 17:33.21 | starseeker | nods |
| 17:33.36 | brlcad | it is otherwise "just a binary file" that the software stores its data into, whatever the name of that software is |
| 17:33.44 | brlcad | or even more, might just happen to use the same suffix |
| 17:33.51 | brlcad | dunno if he was reading the contents |
| 17:33.58 | starseeker | well, if that's the only thing that works, I guess that's what we go with |
| 17:34.16 | starseeker | emerges argouml to see what it's like |
| 17:34.18 | ``Erik | notes that the extension there is .eap where access is technically .mdb, 'file' told me it was access and some googling shows that the 'jet database' is what access actually calls itself internally |
| 17:34.44 | brlcad | on a more interesting note .. :) http://brlcad.org/tmp/tgcbug.rt |
| 17:34.51 | ``Erik | imagines some company wrote a 'jet database' and ms bought it, now windows tools just use it as a convenient backend, like sqlite |
| 17:35.19 | brlcad | isolated a tgc failure in havoc that returns only one hit point -- good test case |
| 17:37.44 | starseeker | hmm |
| 17:38.02 | ``Erik | the aging 'new' bz is all updated again |
| 17:38.04 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 17:38.39 | brlcad | woot |
| 17:38.57 | ``Erik | most sarcastic woot ever? :D *duck* |
| 17:39.04 | brlcad | nope, good stuff |
| 17:39.10 | brlcad | genuine wootage |
| 17:39.16 | starseeker | brlcad: confirmed, returns a miss here too |
| 17:39.19 | starseeker | odd |
| 17:39.33 | brlcad | it's a funky tgc with a pinched top, but it's a clean shot |
| 17:39.38 | ``Erik | migration would equal w00tage :D hop to, boy :D *duck* |
| 17:39.42 | brlcad | right into the side and out the flat disc |
| 17:40.35 | brlcad | nirt seems to plot the right entry and exit values, so kind of odd |
| 17:40.48 | brlcad | ``Erik: I did at least finally turn off the german server |
| 17:41.05 | brlcad | spent much of last week sorting that out |
| 17:41.22 | brlcad | they didn't want to "let me go" giving hell about terms I never agreed to |
| 17:41.32 | ``Erik | heh |
| 17:41.47 | ``Erik | lame, as much as I like the notion of having a backup on another continent, it sounds like they were being dickish |
| 17:41.57 | brlcad | they were, I was very surprised |
| 17:42.11 | brlcad | up until then, everything had been perfect/better with them |
| 17:42.17 | ``Erik | did the florida one agree to migrate your IP pool? |
| 17:42.47 | ``Erik | lotr on tnt, btw, good background noise |
| 17:42.53 | brlcad | but then they were royally being dicks when I asked to cancel .. and it was even originally just going to be temporary (until after bz is migrated, 6 months or so) |
| 17:43.04 | brlcad | they haven't answered |
| 17:44.20 | brlcad | even if I had agreed to an annual contract renewal (which I didn't), my message to them was 12 days before the end of term .. |
| 17:44.30 | brlcad | they claimed it needed to be 14 days in advance |
| 17:44.38 | brlcad | which just made me even more livid |
| 17:45.20 | brlcad | 6 e-mails later that just keep escalating, they finally agreed to my request |
| 17:45.30 | brlcad | very absurd, disappointing |
| 17:45.44 | ``Erik | hm, *shrug* they're probably feeling some economic crunch and have some pointy haired fuckwit that thinks forcing customers to stay is a viable business solution |
| 17:46.31 | ``Erik | lots of service companies seem to try that :( |
| 17:46.38 | brlcad | it's not like I'm going to just keep paying them for the hell of it, especially after that |
| 17:47.59 | brlcad | especially given that they had an interesting "we will terminate you instantly" clause if you put up porn |
| 17:48.16 | brlcad | I told them, do I *really* need to put up porn for you to get the point? |
| 17:48.56 | ``Erik | heh, nothin' like a goatse or lemonparty to get someones attention O.o |
| 17:49.06 | brlcad | especially given I didn't agree to the term and I was before the end of the term I didn't agree to anyways |
| 17:49.24 | brlcad | yeah, it was getting rather unpleasant |
| 17:49.44 | brlcad | so now I'm thinking about whether I'd ever go back to them |
| 17:49.52 | brlcad | shame really, it was just going to be temporary |
| 17:50.01 | ``Erik | there're still residual scars burnt into the back of my brain from when I saw a particularly ... 'hardcore' gay porn image iwth "verizon customer service" stashed in a humor pic site (I'm ok with nsfw, but this was not safe for human consumption) |
| 17:50.09 | brlcad | guess they don't realize how I throw money away at having servers on standby *cough* |
| 17:50.32 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:50.45 | brlcad | when it was heated, those thoughts were crossing my mind |
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| 17:51.13 | brlcad | wouldn't have taken a whole lot to turn the site into "custom porn" for them with entire transcripts of our discussions |
| 17:51.58 | ``Erik | have you seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRgNOyCnbqg ? :D |
| 17:53.40 | ``Erik | aaanyays, the new machine seems solid. given that the old one provides many different services, it might be a good time to migrate some of the less critical or less connected ones over (like mebbe bind) |
| 17:54.01 | ``Erik | thinks 'incremental migration' might be a good strategy |
| 17:54.09 | ``Erik | until then, it's still my personal playpen I guess :D |
| 17:58.33 | brlcad | I fear migrating bind actually -- if you want to tackle that one, go for it |
| 18:01.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34242 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/tgc/tgc.c: note that the units being displayed are in 'mm' regardless of the local units set. |
| 18:02.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34243 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: |
| 18:02.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: allow a NULL parameter to be passed to RT_HIT_NORMAL if they don't have a normal |
| 18:02.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: array to be filled in and just want hitp->hit_normal to be calculated. this |
| 18:02.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: makes it pretty trivial to update code that used RT_HIT_NORM() over to |
| 18:02.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: RT_HIT_NORMAL() by just adding a NULL and 0 flip value. |
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| 18:20.49 | brlcad | so for information purposes, I'm applying to the openusability call for projects |
| 18:21.04 | brlcad | there's little chance we'll be accepted as the deadline was a couple days ago, but applying anyways |
| 18:21.17 | brlcad | basically, it's similar to gsoc but specifically focused on usability |
| 18:21.50 | brlcad | and since usability is one of our biggest problems, I figure why not |
| 18:21.59 | brlcad | (unfortunately, I just heard about the effort) |
| 18:22.24 | ``Erik | ratemyui.com? O.o heh |
| 18:22.26 | brlcad | that said, need to know who (of developers) would be willing to mentor a usability project? |
| 18:22.29 | louipc | that's pretty cool |
| 18:22.37 | ``Erik | uiornot.com? |
| 18:22.41 | brlcad | (if you have commit access, you qualify) |
| 18:22.46 | louipc | I want all my console apps to have a vi-like interface hehe |
| 18:22.53 | brlcad | louipc: hehe |
| 18:22.58 | ``Erik | vi ftw |
| 18:23.10 | brlcad | scratches two names off the list! |
| 18:23.11 | brlcad | j/k |
| 18:24.10 | brlcad | unlike gsoc, I don't think they'd actually be coding -- I think their tasks are specifically towards usability specifications, mockups, specific guideline formulations, etc |
| 18:24.33 | brlcad | need an okay to give them your e-mail if you're interested |
| 18:25.26 | brlcad | was thinking perhaps starseeker and/or ``Erik and whomever else is interested |
| 18:39.27 | PrezKennedy | i want brlcad to be like emacs... some games and a mail app built right in |
| 18:45.50 | brlcad | I think we can make that happen |
| 18:46.00 | brlcad | even with justification! |
| 18:46.18 | brlcad | games for those down-time moments when they're waiting for a render or a conversion to complete |
| 18:46.28 | brlcad | mail app for .. discussing model changes, yeah |
| 18:48.55 | brlcad | starseeker: ``Erik: how about it? .. *crickets*? :) |
| 18:49.25 | archivist | irc window? |
| 18:49.33 | brlcad | archivist: hm? |
| 18:49.55 | brlcad | archivist: you up for mentoring a usability project? :) |
| 18:50.34 | archivist | dunno /me never dun nuffink like that |
| 18:51.05 | brlcad | would you like to do somefink like dat? |
| 18:51.52 | archivist | I would have a bias towards a Solidworks look alike :) |
| 18:52.02 | brlcad | that would be fantastic |
| 18:52.24 | brlcad | actually, that's very good usability background to be able to talk about with the student |
| 18:52.48 | louipc | I didn't think solidworks was very usable |
| 18:53.01 | archivist | heh! |
| 18:53.03 | louipc | autocad was better I think |
| 18:53.09 | archivist | hell no |
| 18:53.16 | brlcad | the point would be really to engage the student in a dialog |
| 18:53.23 | brlcad | be able to relate it to what industry does |
| 18:53.31 | brlcad | and to how / why we do things |
| 18:53.51 | brlcad | and then (I gather) to figure out what we can best focus on or how we can best approach improving our usability |
| 18:54.03 | brlcad | such that it fulfills expectations, is intuitive, is familiar, etc |
| 18:54.18 | brlcad | (and productive, can't forget the most important aspect) :) |
| 18:54.28 | brlcad | louipc: you interested? |
| 18:54.58 | louipc | maybe if I have a partner :P |
| 18:55.09 | brlcad | you're not exactly committing to anything firm just yet -- I just need to be able to give a list of potential mentors as part of our application |
| 18:55.36 | louipc | so I would just talk about what I find helps usability? |
| 18:55.48 | brlcad | I'd be glad to partner up there, I have a fair bit of usability training and experience (contrary to brl-cad's gui, heh) |
| 18:56.13 | brlcad | louipc: you would be mentoring a student that would be working on some specific aspect of usability |
| 18:56.49 | louipc | hah |
| 18:56.49 | brlcad | like lets say, hypothetically, that they were going to look at ways of making mged's existing menu mess be less of a mess |
| 18:57.17 | brlcad | or finding patterns in our 400+ commands and finding ways to make their command-line invocation more consistent and intuitive |
| 18:58.27 | louipc | Yeah I would like to, but I don't want to lead anyone on about knowing more than I really do... |
| 18:59.08 | louipc | brlcad: yeah that sounds alright |
| 18:59.17 | brlcad | or maybe formulating a specific case study on the usability of a prescribed interaction scenario, like modeling a cup, and going into excrutiating detail on the various calculatable metrics to suggest changes that would improve efficiency |
| 18:59.56 | louipc | that's a good one |
| 19:00.08 | brlcad | louipc: your familiarity and mentoring ability more comes from your ability to speak to (or figure out) what brl-cad does, what CAD does/requires in general, and to explain that to someone who probably has absolutely no experience with CAD |
| 19:00.16 | louipc | I was kind of doing that at one point |
| 19:00.48 | brlcad | sounds like we have a winner then! .. would you PM me an e-mail? |
| 19:01.08 | brlcad | still an outstanding question for archivist starseeker ``Erik ... and I'm sure more of you lurking here! |
| 19:01.40 | brlcad | usability is our biggest problem, this has huge impact potential |
| 19:02.06 | archivist | sure does |
| 19:02.33 | archivist | been trying and watching all sorts over the years |
| 19:02.44 | PrezKennedy | brlcad needs a ribbon :) |
| 19:02.54 | louipc | archivist: I don't like how solidworks is so click-and-point dialog-box heaven :P |
| 19:03.17 | archivist | its faster once you are used to it |
| 19:03.38 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: are you saying you want to mentor too? :) |
| 19:03.51 | archivist | and on a cold day you can keep one hand in your pocket |
| 19:03.51 | PrezKennedy | poor kid would be ruined for life |
| 19:04.50 | brlcad | humorously and coincedentally relevant: http://corsix.org/gsoc/ribbon.html |
| 19:04.59 | louipc | well actually the point-and-click is more usable for novices |
| 19:05.01 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, am i even qualified to mentor anything? :p |
| 19:05.32 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: undoubtedly |
| 19:08.27 | PrezKennedy | scary, but it could be fun |
| 19:14.00 | ``Erik | *readreadread* |
| 19:14.37 | ``Erik | I have strange notions about usability, I kinda prefer mged -c to mged for the incredibly rare occasion when I can be assed to do it... O.o |
| 19:15.00 | brlcad | ``Erik: so you could mentor someone specifically about command-line usability metrics |
| 19:15.07 | louipc | ``Erik: I agree |
| 19:15.11 | brlcad | they still propose what they're actually going to work on |
| 19:15.13 | louipc | :D |
| 19:15.14 | brlcad | similar to gsoc |
| 19:15.40 | brlcad | thinks brl-cad would be a formidable usability playground .. lots of ways to improve |
| 19:16.45 | ``Erik | *shrug* whatever, I suppose |
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| 19:23.36 | brlcad | ``Erik: cool |
| 19:38.30 | PrezKennedy | dont forget to make it web 2.0! |
| 19:38.58 | ``Erik | web 7.14, yo |
| 19:39.32 | PrezKennedy | web 3.11 for workgroups |
| 19:40.09 | ``Erik | web bob? O.o |
| 19:40.09 | archivist | object oriented assembler rulz |
| 19:41.17 | archivist | sad thing is that did exist as a book Object oriented assembly language byL. Dirfman |
| 19:41.31 | archivist | worse...I have it |
| 19:42.30 | ``Erik | it's called objc, right? :D |
| 19:42.49 | ``Erik | C is the pdp11 assembler, right? |
| 19:45.08 | archivist | High Level Assembler :) |
| 19:45.32 | archivist | I shouldnt joks as that exists as well |
| 19:46.57 | ``Erik | dang wussies and yoru labels and stuff *shakes cane* whatever happened to good old machine code monitors? :D |
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| 20:15.43 | pacman87_ | ssh + screen + irssi + ipod touch ftw |
| 20:22.37 | brlcad | heh, where'd you get an ssh client from? |
| 20:24.39 | pacman87 | app store |
| 20:25.00 | brlcad | huh |
| 20:25.31 | brlcad | haven't syncd my phone in few months.. probably should |
| 20:31.25 | brlcad | which app do you have? looks like there's at least 4 |
| 20:32.37 | brlcad | jugaari looks like it might be worth it if it does all it says.. |
| 20:33.01 | pacman87_ | iSSH |
| 20:33.22 | brlcad | er, jaadu |
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| 20:37.57 | pacman87_ | i won the ipod in a coding competition |
| 20:38.05 | pacman87_ | got 3rd |
| 20:38.12 | brlcad | hah, awesome |
| 20:38.23 | pacman87_ | .2% away from 2nd |
| 20:38.33 | brlcad | what was 2nd's prize? :) |
| 20:38.46 | pacman87_ | 24in hdtv/monitor |
| 20:38.47 | brlcad | acm competition? |
| 20:39.04 | pacman87_ | no, amd sponsored |
| 20:39.11 | brlcad | lemme guess, first was an amd laptop? :) |
| 20:39.21 | pacman87_ | desktop |
| 20:39.25 | brlcad | ah |
| 20:39.33 | pacman87_ | plus tumer dard |
| 20:39.38 | pacman87_ | card |
| 20:39.46 | pacman87_ | quad core |
| 20:40.14 | brlcad | nice prizes |
| 20:40.45 | brlcad | the touch is probably a more useful productive use of your time than an hdtv would have been :) |
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| 20:41.21 | pacman87_ | probably |
| 20:41.44 | pacman87_ | and my gf likes playing with it |
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| 22:11.52 | ``Erik | /t 04:42PM <pacman87_> and my gf likes playing with it |
| 22:11.55 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 22:13.39 | yukonbob | "hey baby, wanna i-touch?" |
| 22:14.12 | yukonbob | "You mean an iPod Touch?" |
| 22:14.15 | yukonbob | "not exactly" |
| 22:14.24 | pacman87_ | was wondering when someone would say something... |
| 22:14.35 | yukonbob | hi pacman87_ :) |
| 22:14.45 | pacman87_ | howdy |
| 22:18.00 | pacman87 | ping times to my ipod vary from 44ms to 1000 |
| 22:18.15 | pacman87 | or 15000 |
| 22:18.18 | pacman87 | 1500 |
| 22:20.09 | yukonbob | ?ping times |
| 22:20.37 | pacman87 | ssh out, ping back in |
| 22:21.06 | yukonbob | ah... /me forgot you said Touch, even after was joking about it. :P |
| 22:21.57 | pacman87 | maybe i shouldn't port bzflag to it :P |
| 22:23.08 | pacman87 | wifi access all over campus is very nice |
| 22:23.23 | pacman87 | having the internet in my pocket :D |
| 22:32.35 | brlcad | pacman87: it was too easy ;) |
| 22:33.25 | dreeves | brlcad are you aware that dented sphere is a revsurface? |
| 22:33.28 | brlcad | pacman87: didn't you hear my rant in the channel about the latency last year wrt ipod/iphone port of bzflag? |
| 22:33.45 | brlcad | dreeves: yeah, I vaguely recall that |
| 22:33.45 | pacman87 | i must've missed that one |
| 22:33.51 | pacman87 | ~logs |
| 22:33.52 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 22:34.13 | brlcad | not so much a rant as several semi-extended discussions about why it'd kinda suck as a client :) |
| 22:34.28 | pacman87 | yeah, every other packet took really long |
| 22:34.34 | pacman87 | and ended up out of order |
| 22:34.43 | brlcad | even if you could buffer up and stabilize the networking, the cpu is a bit of a problem being somewhat weak |
| 22:34.50 | brlcad | and being fully-interruptible |
| 22:34.57 | pacman87 | radar-only! |
| 22:35.03 | brlcad | the OS steals time from everything including itself at times.. |
| 22:35.35 | brlcad | even when your app is running, especially if you make a system call |
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| 22:37.32 | pacman87 | i don't suppose there's an easy to search the online logs |
| 22:37.40 | brlcad | nah, it sucks |
| 22:37.47 | brlcad | but I basically just gave you the abridged version |
| 22:38.08 | pacman87 | k |
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| 22:54.13 | hippieindamakin8 | good morning/ good afternoon folks |
| 22:55.38 | hippieindamakin8 | woah ipod/iphone port of bzflag : cool |
| 23:53.59 | starseeker | dreeves: how is it revolved? around the center of the dent? |
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| 01:58.38 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: really? awesome! |
| 01:58.51 | Ralith | that's what simple graphics does for you |
| 02:00.20 | Ralith | or apparently not. |
| 02:00.22 | Ralith | ah well. |
| 02:00.27 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, hey |
| 02:00.32 | Ralith | sup |
| 02:00.54 | hippieindamakin8 | nothing man preparing for my end semester exams which are set to begin in exactly 24 hrs :) |
| 02:01.32 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, " didn't you hear my rant in the channel about the latency last year wrt ipod/iphone port of bzflag?" |
| 02:01.47 | hippieindamakin8 | from this i got that there exists one. |
| 02:01.51 | Ralith | 15:35:40 <@brlcad> not so much a rant as several semi-extended discussions about why it'd kinda suck as a client :) |
| 02:02.02 | Ralith | context ftw :P |
| 02:02.06 | hippieindamakin8 | :) |
| 02:13.29 | pacman87_ | is there a way to remap the f# keys to pgup/pgdn? |
| 02:13.43 | Ralith | xmodmap? |
| 02:13.51 | Ralith | why do you want to do that |
| 02:14.24 | pacman87_ | bc my ipod doesnt have pgup/dn |
| 02:14.53 | Ralith | nobody knows how to remap keys on your ipod |
| 02:21.24 | pacman87_ | no, im sshing |
| 02:22.17 | pacman87_ | and i want to change the keymap in bash |
| 02:22.54 | pacman87_ | so when i send F7 it acts like pgup |
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| 03:24.53 | dreeves | starseeker I think I may be on to something as to the source of the problem |
| 04:22.58 | dreeves | starseeker I believe that it is essentially 2 spheres that are independently revolved and trimmed |
| 05:04.39 | dreeves | starseeker here is what I think the issue is with the nurbs_test.g, the initial guess is not good |
| 05:05.29 | dreeves | I came to that conclusion because both dented_sphere and rebuilt_sphere had similar problems but they are 2 different types of surfaces |
| 05:05.51 | dreeves | meaning they were 2 different evaluators |
| 05:06.52 | dreeves | I have made an adjustment to opennurbs_ext that should give us a better guess |
| 05:07.15 | dreeves | It would have appeared to worked but it has made things alot slower |
| 05:08.29 | dreeves | I have tested the rebuilt sphere so far and it looks good once that finishes I will rerun dented sphere then the rest of the test cases (I already spot check dented sphere and it looked good) |
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| 14:45.51 | brlcad | dreeves: heh, cool |
| 14:46.03 | brlcad | one freaking pixel |
| 14:47.47 | brlcad | awesome though .. suspect the sphere will be filled.. |
| 14:53.40 | dreeves | thanks brlcad |
| 14:54.03 | dreeves | progress |
| 14:54.30 | dreeves | so the main issue seems to be the initial guess |
| 14:56.49 | dreeves | of course the more impressive improvement is rebuilt sphere...if you didn't notice the one before the big improvement then you might not realize the big improvement |
| 14:57.35 | dreeves | brlcad what pixel are you talking about ? |
| 15:02.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ddreeves70 * r34245 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: tweak to improve initial guess but this is going to make things much slower. I think there is probably better way to get an initial guess. |
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| 15:15.14 | starseeker | dreeves: impressive! |
| 15:16.40 | brlcad | dreeves: there's one-pixel acne |
| 15:16.44 | brlcad | on the bottom |
| 15:20.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34246 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/table.c: tcl isn't directly used |
| 15:39.46 | dreeves | you guys have great eyes :) |
| 15:56.46 | dreeves | ok out of the nurbs_tests.g file looks like I still have some work to do on distorted sphere. Also I think we are going to really need to think about the initial guess algorithm before we can handle the more generalized geometry |
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| 16:10.12 | dreeves | you know the more I think about it maybe it isn't initial guess that was the problem. It may have been more that the surface subdivision was actually dividing the curve up "wrong" and the part of the surface that was being considered wasn't the part of the surface we needed to look at. maybe what we need to do for now is get rid of the bvh until we get all the intersection and trimming stuff worked out. |
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| 18:48.32 | FAMULUS | brlcad: thing it would be possible / easy to use amazon's new mapreduce API to speedup g-stl in a hacky brute force way? |
| 18:48.49 | FAMULUS | think it ^ |
| 18:50.05 | brlcad | no less work than making it work with multiple cpus |
| 18:50.30 | brlcad | no less work than making it do something better than O(n^3), maybe O(nlogn) |
| 18:53.05 | brlcad | the real quick hackish way would be to comment out the one-liner that is taking up most of the time in the bot primitive |
| 18:53.29 | brlcad | if you comment out the line that says nmg_fix_normals, it will probably run much much faster |
| 18:55.09 | FAMULUS | brlcad: good info thanks |
| 18:56.05 | brlcad | let me know how that goes if you give it a try |
| 19:01.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34249 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:01.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: push the reading and writing down from rt_mirror into ged_mirror. rt's API |
| 19:01.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: shouldn't generally be performing name lookups for specific actions, instead |
| 19:01.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: working on objects already in memory (rt_db_internals) so that you don't need a |
| 19:01.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: .g to perform an action. modified the signature of rt_mirror to return the |
| 19:01.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: modified rt_db_internal instead of a directory pointer. |
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| 19:44.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34255 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/ (20 files in 2 dirs): move the (dubious natured) nmg 'converters' (namely asc-nmg, g-nmg, nmg-bot, nmg-rib, and nmg-sgp) into their own 'nmg' subdir |
| 19:48.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34256 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/ (16 files in 2 dirs): move the ancient euclid converters into a euclid subdir |
| 19:50.20 | ``Erik | hm |
| 19:51.14 | ``Erik | lame, svn up interprets move as a normal cvs del/add |
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| 19:58.17 | ``Erik | hrm http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/page/4/ "why programmers suck at css design" |
| 20:11.54 | hippieindamakin8 | waves at brlcad ``Erik madant_ pacman87 Ralith |
| 20:13.00 | pacman87 | waves back |
| 20:13.32 | hippieindamakin8 | gets back to the exam preparation |
| 20:13.56 | ``Erik | good luck on your exams :) |
| 20:14.13 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, thanks |
| 20:14.29 | brlcad | so erik, you going to work on the website? :) |
| 20:14.38 | brlcad | needs a facelift |
| 20:15.18 | ``Erik | heh, uhhhh, actually, I was thinkin' about cooking a couple of my own websites and hiring a designer to come up with the graphics and css |
| 20:15.25 | ``Erik | has people, but they ain't free |
| 20:16.08 | ``Erik | "hungry enough to eat the butthole out of a skunk" wtf am I watching this movie? O.o |
| 20:16.48 | brlcad | probably the same reason you feel compelled to "catch up" on collegehumor.com |
| 20:17.01 | ``Erik | well, to be fair, I'm coding while watching it |
| 20:17.09 | ``Erik | :D |
| 20:17.12 | brlcad | that's not fair to the code |
| 20:17.22 | ``Erik | shoulda put it on mythbusters instead, though |
| 20:17.37 | ``Erik | "larry the cable guy - health inspector" O.o |
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| 21:22.48 | ``Erik | wonders how good/bad the new star trek flick will be |
| 21:23.35 | yukonbob | wonders how good/bad the new Cowboy Bebop film will be. |
| 21:34.43 | ``Erik | the live action thing? |
| 21:34.50 | ``Erik | it's got keanu reeves, so, uh... not :D |
| 21:34.59 | ``Erik | I mean, spike going "dude, like, y'know? totally!" |
| 21:40.54 | ``Erik | but if someone does get a hair up their butt to do some website work, http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/builder/ might be handy O.o |
| 21:43.08 | ``Erik | hare? |
| 21:43.09 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 22:14.36 | yukonbob | ya -- /me thinks Johnny Depp would have been better Spike |
| 22:15.01 | yukonbob | well... pretty much anybody other than Keannu |
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| 22:24.52 | ``Erik | like, morpheus, are you totally serious? *retarded headcock* |
| 23:18.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34258 10/brlcad/trunk/ (7 files in 7 dirs): de-recursify comgeom, dxf, jack, off, and patch (leaving iges and intaval due to their relative complexity) in order to simplify and help speed up parallel builds |
| 23:20.54 | dreeves | starseeker or brlcad do you have or know where we can get some simple examples that use linecurve(s) and arccurve(s) and planesurface(s) |
| 23:22.57 | dreeves | of course the curve(s) are for the trim curves |
| 23:30.10 | brlcad | src/other/openNURBS/example_write writes out a (single) ON_PlaneSurface |
| 23:30.35 | brlcad | could merge that in with breplicator or try to trace it directly |
| 23:31.02 | brlcad | uses linecurve trims |
| 23:32.37 | brlcad | that same example also writes out arccruves, but they're simple freestanding curves |
| 23:34.09 | dreeves | so will form a solid? otherwords paired hit points? |
| 23:35.11 | dreeves | does the breplicator write out linecurve and arccurve in it's current state? |
| 23:41.08 | dreeves | is breplicator basically a rectangle |
| 23:41.43 | brlcad | no, that's what I meant -- you could use the example, modify breplicator |
| 23:41.51 | brlcad | the proc-db's are purely for testing purposes |
| 23:42.09 | brlcad | there are three tools in there that basically just generate a specific test case |
| 23:42.27 | brlcad | though they're probably all pretty similar end-results atm |
| 23:43.12 | brlcad | could remove one of the faces from breplicator and stitch in a trimmed planesurface |
| 23:43.31 | dreeves | Ok yeah maybe I will work on generating some simple examples to test out things out with some types of objects that we haven't dealt with yet |
| 23:43.55 | dreeves | The things I listed are what's in d2.g that we haven't dealt with yet |
| 23:45.23 | dreeves | You know the other thing is we aren't really dealing with distorted sphere very good at all but to be honest I don't really know what to expect there. The plot is blowing up on it as well. Makes me wonder if there isn't something wrong with the geometry |
| 23:53.48 | brlcad | those test cases came straight out of rhino, so they should be 'real' |
| 23:54.23 | brlcad | shoulda got dave to take screenshots of what they looked like |
| 23:54.51 | brlcad | or maybe I write an exporter/extractor and see what they look like.. |
| 23:55.08 | brlcad | still fights with mirror() in the meantime |
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| 01:50.13 | dreeves | brlcad starseekerI think I'm going to have to troubleshoot the surface subdivision algorithm in the bvh stuff because it is what was causing the problems with dented sphere, rebuilt sphere, etc.. however I can't just turn it off because it is used for the initial guess. |
| 01:51.29 | dreeves | I mean to say I'm going to have to do that before moving on to the bigger geometries because I'm seeing similar issues that I saw with the less complex geometries |
| 01:52.55 | dreeves | also probably need to go ahead and get the more generalized trimming stuff working because on larger trim curves my approximations may not be sufficient |
| 02:03.05 | starseeker | dreeves: sounds good |
| 02:03.32 | starseeker | the larger examples aren't of serious interest until we can handle the simper cases - they are intended as "stress tests" |
| 02:07.34 | dreeves | yeah starseeker I think we are pretty close to handling the simpler cases ok now except for the distorted sphere fine (but I'm not sure about that one period) I think if physically make those examples bigger the raytracer will start showing the problems again |
| 02:09.20 | dreeves | I think we have to generalize for the simpler cases and make it alot more robust before tackling the more complex examples I was wanting to wait but I think I'm seeing the problem with that approach so I will have to take a step back |
| 02:09.23 | brlcad | gets a nifty response from the openusability folks |
| 02:09.50 | brlcad | starseeker: were you interested in that? (did you see my messages on friday?) |
| 02:10.22 | brlcad | dreeves: hmm, pulling it back to some of the more basic aspects of the problem... that sounds very familiar :-) |
| 02:13.30 | starseeker | brlcad: I did see that, but my thought on it is that we're not quite ready for usability work yet... |
| 02:14.26 | brlcad | there's many places and many ways where usability can be improved |
| 02:14.30 | brlcad | we're not just talking about mged |
| 02:14.34 | starseeker | ah |
| 02:14.38 | brlcad | though even mged could use some basic attention |
| 02:14.44 | brlcad | or archer for that matter |
| 02:14.45 | starseeker | would the others generate interest? |
| 02:14.55 | starseeker | isn't familiar with openusability... googles... |
| 02:15.14 | brlcad | wouldn't it be nice if someone specifically paying attention to usability sorted out exactly how the menu system should be arranged? |
| 02:15.32 | starseeker | yes, it would be |
| 02:15.36 | brlcad | or basic key bindings for that matter |
| 02:15.42 | brlcad | or information panels |
| 02:15.45 | brlcad | or command line options |
| 02:15.45 | starseeker | what are the mentoring requirements? |
| 02:15.57 | dreeves | Well the 2 basic issues right now are 1) the approximation of the trim curve right now it is hardwired for 100 segments. On a smaller curve that means a segment may represent something like 0.03 or less in length but on a larger curve that may represent some like 5 or xxx in length which obviously that gets to be a problem. I just need to get away from the approximation approach altogether. The second issue is the subdividing the surface and surroundi |
| 02:15.57 | dreeves | ng the segment of surface with a bounding box and the current algorithm grows by some small percentage to account for curving near the edges well on smaller geometry that fudging maybe sufficient but on larger geometries that fudging is not near enough |
| 02:16.19 | starseeker | figures key bindings will need to be configurable to Solidworks/Pro-E/Unigraphics to allow work flows to be preserved |
| 02:16.44 | brlcad | sure, that might be one thing -- but what should our defaults be? |
| 02:16.53 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:17.09 | starseeker | yeah, that sounds good - I take it you got a positive response? |
| 02:17.48 | brlcad | I certainly have my notions and background in usability and biases towards tools I've learned, but that's still different from specifically and intently sitting down as a project and sorting out what those defaults should be -- takes time |
| 02:18.55 | brlcad | unknown about whether we can participate this year, but that's not even really the main focus I think -- just getting ourselves aligned to be thinking more about usability and prepared to mentor such projects will be good |
| 02:19.03 | brlcad | so even if we can't participate this year, perhaps next year |
| 02:19.30 | starseeker | sure |
| 02:19.39 | starseeker | what specifically do you need me to do? |
| 02:19.46 | starseeker | scrolls back... |
| 02:19.48 | dreeves | I think once we have generalized those 2 issues we can handle the bigger and more complex geometries |
| 02:19.48 | brlcad | the mentoring requirements are more towards being the experts in our domain (CAD, solid modeling) so that we can have a useful dialog |
| 02:20.03 | starseeker | dreeves: sounds good |
| 02:20.30 | brlcad | as they are students that likely have no background in our area or even necessarily software design for that matter -- they get students that focus specifically on usability |
| 02:20.48 | dreeves | so I'm not really pulling back just going back and generalizing the stuff I have hardwired up to this point |
| 02:21.20 | brlcad | dreeves: it was tounge-in-cheek, not critique :) |
| 02:21.43 | dreeves | Oh you didn't offend me and I definitely took it that way |
| 02:21.56 | brlcad | generalizing what's in place is a form of "going back", and going back is the approach I'd started down on a while back |
| 02:22.18 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, I'd certainly be willing to work as mentor on a project like that |
| 02:22.58 | brlcad | starseeker: great, I figured you would be |
| 02:23.00 | dreeves | Yeah the main reason for what I wrote is mainly if anyone else wanted to work on this more than anything I just want people to know what needs to be worked |
| 02:23.31 | dreeves | i.e. starseeker |
| 02:23.48 | dreeves | and I know there are a couple of people looking at things |
| 02:23.50 | starseeker | dreeves: I'm going to be attacking from the "need debugging/analysis capabilities" side, which should be orthogonal to the thrust of your work |
| 02:23.53 | dreeves | associated with brep |
| 02:24.05 | dreeves | coole |
| 02:24.07 | dreeves | cool |
| 02:24.49 | brlcad | woot! looks like my rt_mirror() change works... |
| 02:24.51 | brlcad | why does bob have to make it so complicated sometimes :) |
| 02:24.54 | starseeker | once we get to more complex geometries, we're likely to hit test cases where it's really hard to get a minimal case (possibly even problems specifically caused by a case being complex) |
| 02:25.05 | starseeker | brlcad: lol! |
| 02:25.13 | starseeker | has wondered this... |
| 02:25.53 | dreeves | Did that other person ever respond what they were doing with curvature the other day? |
| 02:26.03 | brlcad | seriously, he had the math doing flips because he wanted to specify a point (sure) and a direction (okay) .. and a distance down that vector (um) |
| 02:26.20 | brlcad | and then tracking that distance all the way through to librt to the primitives themselves for a couple of them |
| 02:26.36 | starseeker | winces |
| 02:26.37 | brlcad | I mean really.. just move the point |
| 02:27.06 | dreeves | :) |
| 02:27.19 | brlcad | now the trick will be to rewire all the primitives to actually use a plane_t instead of a point+dir |
| 02:28.45 | dreeves | ok so he wasn't really trouble shooting a perceived problem with opennurbs |
| 02:28.53 | brlcad | which is a nice compact plane equation -- a vector and a distance, 4 values -- but changes things .. probably just derive the point and dir |
| 02:29.09 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:29.32 | starseeker | dreeves: no, Bob is doing libged (prime mover thereof, actually) |
| 02:30.13 | dreeves | ok I'm talking about something else |
| 02:30.46 | starseeker | heh - welcome to irc - multi-threading conversations |
| 02:31.04 | dreeves | yeah I'm learning I'm new to irc |
| 02:32.33 | dreeves | it is basically chatting and I have done plenty of that but usually one on one |
| 02:33.28 | brlcad | dreeves: they (jonored) was working on implementing the curve() callback |
| 02:34.48 | brlcad | he'd noticed that the normal was being filled in during shot(), so norm() perhaps can stay pretty simple (need to verify what others are doing) .. but that still leaves curve() |
| 02:36.03 | brlcad | briefly mentioned on the 17th if you have logs |
| 02:38.23 | starseeker | ~logs |
| 02:38.23 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 02:39.28 | brlcad | really need to get website irc log integration with drupal working so we can search our own content |
| 02:41.03 | brlcad | even a cron job that snatches from ibot and adds to cms would be better |
| 02:56.18 | dreeves | ok the website with the logs is neat |
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| 02:58.00 | dreeves | btw shot isn't calculating the normal it is being calculated from what is returned from opennurbs in the intersect function |
| 03:03.49 | brlcad | er, but that happens during shot() right? :) |
| 03:04.09 | dreeves | yeah if you mean it is being called from shot? |
| 03:04.18 | dreeves | which it is |
| 03:05.05 | brlcad | right, that's all that mattered |
| 03:05.11 | dreeves | oh ok |
| 03:05.21 | brlcad | it's filling in the hit_normal |
| 03:05.28 | brlcad | normally shot isn't responsible for doing that |
| 03:05.36 | dreeves | obviously I didn't understand something |
| 03:05.45 | dreeves | ah ok |
| 03:06.41 | dreeves | makes since then |
| 03:06.46 | brlcad | also normal != curvature, don't know if you were thinking that or not |
| 03:07.26 | dreeves | no I know that |
| 03:07.57 | brlcad | k |
| 03:08.12 | dreeves | goes back to look at exactly what is being returned |
| 03:10.52 | brlcad | probably shouldn't be filling in hit_normal the more I think about it |
| 03:11.01 | brlcad | at least, norm() really shouldn't be empty |
| 03:11.21 | brlcad | I think what some of the other primtivies do that have the information calculated early is to stash it into vpriv |
| 03:11.37 | dreeves | actually it is returning the derivative in both s and t and normal is being calculated from that |
| 03:12.04 | brlcad | yeah, then probably shouldn't do that .. just stash the derivs |
| 03:12.12 | brlcad | then norm() can do the final calculation |
| 03:13.25 | dreeves | ok in the next round of clean up I can do that unless the other person is working on that. Don't want to step on what they are doing. |
| 03:16.28 | dreeves | I'm definitely ready to harden what we have now vs keep tweeking/hacking to make work with the different geometries. I think that is what is required to take the next big step. What do you think? |
| 03:18.32 | dreeves | you know since I went back to utah's combination of tolerances I haven't had to touch them again. Of course that is with this test geometry that is all roughly the same overall size |
| 03:23.19 | brlcad | dreeves: yeah, I'd just let them work on that part -- it's not exactly busted as it is |
| 03:23.37 | brlcad | it's much lower-hanging fruit (norm() at least, curve() could be interesting) |
| 03:24.27 | brlcad | if I remember utah's paper, all of their geometry was pretty small :) |
| 03:24.48 | brlcad | elaine mentioned that it wasn't very robust.. :) |
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| 03:28.19 | brlcad | of course it was a pretty general comment at the time, but hinted at their specific effort |
| 03:28.41 | dreeves | Yeah it would be good to have the test geometry scaled up |
| 03:29.27 | dreeves | do you know where nurbs_tests.g came from? |
| 03:33.19 | brlcad | yes |
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| 03:33.31 | dreeves | I'm currently raytracing the perfume bottle from the opennurbs example data it is relatively pretty large compared to the test geometry I'm seeing issues but not sure which is the problem. tolerances or the subdivision or maybe even trimming |
| 03:33.58 | brlcad | they were created in rhino |
| 03:34.40 | dreeves | yes |
| 03:34.49 | dreeves | oh the nurbs_test was? |
| 03:34.54 | brlcad | yes |
| 03:35.05 | brlcad | those objects were all directly created in rhino |
| 03:35.11 | dreeves | oh ok |
| 03:35.32 | dreeves | can you get trial versions of rhino? |
| 03:35.48 | dreeves | will have to investigate that |
| 03:35.51 | brlcad | since we actually use rhino's format (3dm) as our serialized object data, it just imports directly |
| 03:37.16 | brlcad | they do have evaluation copies |
| 03:38.02 | dreeves | I may have to grab it create some more test geometry |
| 03:38.03 | brlcad | the only limitation is that they've forever been windows-only |
| 03:38.36 | dreeves | that is fine I have a windows laptop to |
| 03:38.38 | brlcad | that's something we could probably do pretty easily |
| 03:39.02 | brlcad | more exhaustive test geometry |
| 03:39.03 | dreeves | I wouldn't mind if someone else wanted to do that |
| 03:39.34 | brlcad | yeah, that should be pretty simple |
| 03:39.49 | dreeves | Yeah same geometries scaled up and make additional geometries that make use of all the different types of curves and use of the planar surface |
| 03:39.51 | brlcad | I can see if I can get my seat set up tomorrow |
| 03:40.00 | dreeves | awesome |
| 03:40.08 | dreeves | that will save me significant time |
| 03:40.20 | dreeves | since I have no clue how to use rhino |
| 03:40.24 | brlcad | the only problem with the different curve types is that rhino doesn't expose much of that through the gui |
| 03:40.41 | brlcad | they simplify it way down and do things automagically as they see fit |
| 03:41.05 | brlcad | but shouldn't be too hard to try to coerce a few trimming types |
| 03:41.29 | dreeves | yeah I figured as much |
| 03:41.54 | dreeves | really that is probably the way it should be but would be nice if they had an expert mode where you could limit that |
| 03:42.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34263 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 03:42.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: remove the mirror_pt 'distance' parameter from rt_mirror() as it just |
| 03:42.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: unnecessarily complicates the interface. point+dir are sufficient. testing |
| 03:42.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: seems to indicate no change in functionality so hopefully we're 'good to go' |
| 03:43.25 | dreeves | yeah d2 is difficult to get anything useful from it other ability to scale |
| 03:43.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34264 10/brlcad/trunk/include/vmath.h: vectors, not points |
| 03:44.13 | dreeves | obviously we want in the end to be able to handle that one but I think there probably is a couple more test cases that need to be worked before we tackle that one |
| 03:48.11 | brlcad | thinks the recent effort and successes warrant a posting |
| 03:48.27 | dreeves | ok one more request on the test geometry one object that has some large components with small components attached i.e. with the attached i.e. some like an ellipsoid with blended tubes attached such that the tubes are wider at the bottom and get more narrow as they go up but not a cone |
| 03:50.37 | dreeves | almost like one of those balls that have the little rubber spines attached all over it (except the test geometry can just have maybe less than 10 attached at random places) |
| 03:52.01 | brlcad | one kush ball coming up :) |
| 03:52.43 | dreeves | thanks |
| 03:52.53 | dreeves | :) |
| 03:58.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Brep Perfume Bottle.png]]" |
| 04:00.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ddreeves70 07http://brlcad.org * r1424 10/wiki/BREP_Primitive: /* Current Images of test cases */ |
| 04:17.22 | starseeker | dreeves, brlcad - I'll see if I can throw together some more example geometry - i've got a working rhino copy |
| 04:18.03 | starseeker | doesn't have a clue how to use it either, but sufficient random clicking should produce some thing |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34265 10/brlcad/trunk/ (12 files in 11 dirs): |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: modify mirror's argument handling to make -p be for point and -o be for offset |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: instead of (confusingly) implying 'scalar point value' and 'origin' |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: respectively. update the various docs and test cases as found while we're at it |
| 04:18.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: including fixing some really out-of-date old docs. FIXME: really stupid that |
| 04:18.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: command help is in more than one place in the tcl sources. |
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| 04:41.25 | rbfish2k | hello |
| 04:41.46 | brlcad | hello rbfish2k ! |
| 04:41.52 | rbfish2k | i am new here. |
| 04:42.09 | brlcad | i've got to run but there's generally always someone around -- just have to post a message and wait |
| 04:42.18 | brlcad | welcome! |
| 04:42.27 | rbfish2k | thanks |
| 04:42.30 | rbfish2k | cya |
| 04:42.38 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:43.04 | starseeker | well, you tried :-) |
| 04:43.21 | brlcad | he's the guy from the list |
| 04:50.58 | hippieindamakin8 | hello guys |
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| 07:29.03 | mafm | hi |
| 07:31.03 | pacman87_ | hi mafm et al |
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| 10:51.41 | brlcad | morning to the d-lo |
| 11:09.15 | d-lo | word to the brlcad! |
| 11:21.12 | Ralith | to the bed |
| 11:21.42 | Ralith | oh hey brlcad |
| 11:21.45 | Ralith | when do we find out who got in? |
| 11:22.19 | Ralith | oh wait |
| 11:22.23 | Ralith | 12 *noon* |
| 11:22.49 | Ralith | hopefully awaits! |
| 11:25.26 | starseeker | d-lo: did you ever take a look at argouml? is it any good? |
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| 11:28.11 | d-lo | nope, didn't try it out. |
| 11:29.56 | d-lo | neat, its got an online version via jnlp... neat! |
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| 13:01.25 | starseeker | blinks - Oracle bought Sun |
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| 13:02.24 | Axman6 | yah |
| 13:02.27 | Axman6 | :( |
| 13:02.52 | Axman6 | i was kind of hoping it's be Apple (though i knew it'd never happen), mainly because i wanted my next computer to be an UltraSPARC |
| 13:05.28 | starseeker | dearly hopes they don't mess with the open source stuff |
| 13:10.16 | starseeker | that's the part that concerns me the most - Oracle isn't a very visible player in the open source sphere |
| 13:11.13 | starseeker | if they decide openoffice, java, mysql and solaris don't need to worry about being open any more... ouch. They could be forked, but especially in java's case not very effectively |
| 13:11.57 | starseeker | <snort> Oracle's website is "too busy to handle request" for the press release |
| 13:12.12 | starseeker | well, that's at least one area they could clearly use Sun's help ;-) |
| 13:21.43 | Axman6 | heh, yes indeed :) |
| 13:24.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34266 10/brlcad/trunk/include/config_win.h: drand48() MS Visual C++ replacement |
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| 13:29.13 | ``Erik | hm, oracle buys sun |
| 13:29.36 | ``Erik | the announcement page on oracles site gave me an 'unable to connect to database' error |
| 13:29.41 | ``Erik | nifty. shoulda taken a screenshot |
| 13:30.17 | ``Erik | axman: you can always buy an old sun... :) |
| 13:30.45 | Axman6 | with a T2? i don't think so :( |
| 13:31.19 | ``Erik | ah, heh, why a t2? you could get a IIe or IIi pretty cheap |
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| 13:33.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: test list for non-emptiness to prevent crash on MS Windows |
| 13:33.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: (one should not increment an iterator pointing to a containers end() element) |
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| 13:46.47 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, error connecting to the db .. lol |
| 13:59.42 | ``Erik | heheh http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3133 |
| 14:02.05 | d-lo | lol @LISP aaahahahahahahaha. |
| 14:02.45 | d-lo | LISP: She is an aging beatnik, who lives in a rural commune with her hippie cousins SMALLTALK and FORTH. |
| 14:06.40 | Axman6 | ``Erik: there's been some recent work on getting haskell to perform really well on the T2 by someone at my uni, which was sponsored by sun, who also donated a T2 for the work, and i'd love to play with the massive amounts of parallelism you can get on one |
| 14:07.43 | starseeker | d-lo: ah, but that beatnik is also a zen coding kung-fu master ;-) And like most such masters, he lives in humble, isolated circumstances :-P |
| 14:08.41 | starseeker | saddles up and heads out |
| 14:09.20 | d-lo | starseeker: yeah, if thats what you need to believe :) Anyways, the whole 'hippie' comment is where I am deriving my chuckles from hehehehe. |
| 14:13.34 | starseeker | actually, some of the comp.lang.lisp denziens are a rather commercial business friendly bunch |
| 14:13.50 | starseeker | actively resent open source |
| 14:14.11 | starseeker | claim it destroys markets and jobs |
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| 14:36.57 | ``Erik | would argue that 'commercial business friendly' and 'open source' are orthogenal; plenty of open source commercial businesses and proprietary non-commercial efforts |
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| 16:22.51 | madant | ~help |
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| 17:17.33 | hippieindamakin8 | waits for the results of gsoc to be announced |
| 17:35.36 | Ralith | ``Erik: indeed; it's mostly just the *way* business is done that OSS threatens. |
| 17:36.14 | Ralith | also, nice oracle error ^^ |
| 17:37.06 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, i seemed to miss out on the OSS thingy what is that ? |
| 17:37.17 | Ralith | 07:38:37 * ``Erik would argue that 'commercial business friendly' and 'open source' are orthogenal; plenty of open source commercial businesses and |
| 17:37.20 | Ralith | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.26 | Ralith | ugh, irssi linebreak fail. |
| 17:37.37 | hippieindamakin8 | aah :) |
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| 17:53.38 | hippieindamakin8 | hey madant |
| 17:57.48 | pacman87_ | i still haven't found a good way to scroll in irssi |
| 17:58.01 | d-lo | pgup pgdown work for me... |
| 17:58.24 | pacman87_ | those af |
| 17:58.43 | pacman87_ | arent on my kb |
| 18:00.01 | pacman87_ | i was trying to figure a way to remap some function keys |
| 18:01.07 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah pgup and pgdown work for me too |
| 18:01.51 | pacman87 | my ipod touch keyboard doesn't have pgup/pgdn |
| 18:02.05 | pacman87 | i'm ssh'd into a server, and running irssi in screen |
| 18:02.39 | hippieindamakin8 | aah :) |
| 18:04.21 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, cant u just remap the keys on the server ? |
| 18:04.47 | pacman87 | how? i tried messing with inputrc, but couldn't find any docs on the command syntax |
| 18:06.34 | hippieindamakin8 | i forgot the file .. let me check i had to modify it when installing this OS |
| 18:08.22 | pacman87 | thanks |
| 18:10.22 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, it is .xmodmap |
| 18:10.40 | pacman87 | i though that only worked in X? |
| 18:11.49 | hippieindamakin8 | oops :) |
| 18:18.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34270 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/Makefile.am: missing the patch-g.h header from dist |
| 18:21.28 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, which OS are u using ? shouldnt there be a keytable config of the keytable daemon |
| 18:23.03 | pacman87 | freeBSD |
| 18:26.40 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, "This one is allready in /etc/inputrc and only needs to be "uncommented": |
| 18:26.40 | hippieindamakin8 | # alternate mappings for "page up" and "page down" to search the history |
| 18:26.40 | hippieindamakin8 | "\e[5~": history-search-backward |
| 18:26.40 | hippieindamakin8 | "\e[6~": history-search-forward" |
| 18:27.02 | pacman87_ | i found that |
| 18:27.14 | hippieindamakin8 | :P |
| 18:27.32 | pacman87_ | it maps pgup/dn to something else |
| 18:27.54 | pacman87_ | instead of something to pgup/dn |
| 18:30.10 | pacman87 | i know the "\e*" codes for the function keys |
| 18:31.33 | pacman87 | "\e[18~" and "\e[19~" for F7 and F8 |
| 18:31.40 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah |
| 18:32.08 | pacman87 | "\e[18~":page-up |
| 18:32.08 | pacman87 | "\e[19~":page-down |
| 18:32.19 | pacman87 | that's currently in my .inputrc |
| 18:32.45 | pacman87 | but i was guessing on the "page-up" and "page-down" commands |
| 18:32.46 | hippieindamakin8 | but true that i couldnt find anywhere to remap the pg up/dn keys |
| 18:33.36 | pacman87 | "\e[17~":"F6" |
| 18:33.36 | pacman87 | ^ that one works, print out the string when i press F6 |
| 18:48.05 | pacman87 | 13 minutes... |
| 18:54.04 | brlcad | well, want to thank all of the applicants beforehand regardless of the results |
| 18:54.19 | hippieindamakin8 | :) |
| 18:54.58 | brlcad | in the end, it was pretty tough decision for several applicants that were all pretty competitive with each other |
| 18:55.40 | brlcad | I know it's certainly starts out as a summer job since you have to put food in the mouth, but open source is about volunteerism |
| 18:56.21 | brlcad | hope everyone continues to stay involved and contribute, regardless of the selections |
| 18:56.30 | hippieindamakin8 | sure |
| 19:06.43 | Ralith | pacman87: try "\e[18~":"\e[5~" |
| 19:07.46 | Ralith | those look like POSIX escape sequences, so sending one to the terminal might work as desired. |
| 19:11.52 | hippieindamakin8 | pacman87, madant Ralith : congrats |
| 19:14.42 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: I got in? :D |
| 19:14.50 | Ralith | is trying to check the site but keeps getting server errors |
| 19:15.08 | starseeker | hmm - they seem a bit overwhelmed... |
| 19:15.09 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, whats ur name ? |
| 19:15.10 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:15.24 | Ralith | hippieindamakin8: Ben |
| 19:15.28 | hippieindamakin8 | saunders ? |
| 19:15.32 | Ralith | yup |
| 19:15.38 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah u are through :) |
| 19:15.41 | Ralith | :D:D:D |
| 19:15.45 | Ralith | joy! |
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| 19:16.53 | hippieindamakin8 | 1. madant 2. pacman87 3. Ralith 4. Elena 5.joe |
| 19:17.18 | Ralith | brb, celebrating |
| 19:17.49 | Ralith | ty for the notify |
| 19:18.09 | hippieindamakin8 | Ralith, :) |
| 19:18.14 | madant | woke up in the middle of the night to find this going on |
| 19:18.34 | madant | well 48 minutes past 12 :P |
| 19:19.03 | madant | yippppeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :) |
| 19:19.23 | madant | pacman87: congrats man :) |
| 19:19.36 | madant | hippieindamakin8: thanks a lot dude :) |
| 19:20.01 | madant | Ralith: :) welcome to gsoc ;) you'd be awesome |
| 19:20.06 | Ralith | ty ^^ |
| 19:21.10 | madant | and congrats to us too :) +1 slot ;) |
| 19:21.24 | madant | d-lo: :) be gentle with me :) |
| 19:22.03 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, that statement sounded extremely funny (slapstick) in my head :P |
| 19:22.20 | d-lo | SLAVE! BRING ME COFFEE!!!!! j/k |
| 19:22.28 | madant | brlcad: let's hope this year is more awesome than last one :D |
| 19:22.34 | Ralith | d-lo: that'd be quite a feat of shipping |
| 19:22.56 | madant | hippieindamakin8: my grey cells are still half asleep :D |
| 19:23.24 | Ralith | manages to load his projects page |
| 19:23.25 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, get back to your sleep man :) sleep peacefully |
| 19:23.49 | madant | :D damn brlcad still hasn't changed the sleep factoid |
| 19:24.26 | madant | hippieindamakin8: when do the exams begin ? |
| 19:24.50 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, they have already started dude. done with one of them 5 left |
| 19:25.55 | madant | we should have had elena and jdoliner out here too :) |
| 19:27.00 | brlcad | d-lo: hehe |
| 19:27.24 | madant | ah the man himself :) |
| 19:27.53 | d-lo | Welcome aboard all! |
| 19:28.06 | brlcad | madant: it's a passing requirement, no? each year *must* be more awesome |
| 19:28.06 | d-lo | hands out mops and buckets. |
| 19:28.08 | brlcad | else FAIL |
| 19:28.15 | madant | wonders how awesome MoRe is going to be :) |
| 19:28.32 | brlcad | we juuust miight not call it "MoRe" .. |
| 19:28.33 | madant | quickly picks up the mop and bucket :D |
| 19:28.49 | d-lo | well, it will obviously be more awesome. |
| 19:29.14 | ``Erik | MOAR.brlcad.org ? |
| 19:29.24 | madant | d-lo: damn.. it is tough going to be cheating :D |
| 19:29.30 | starseeker | favors models.brlcad.org |
| 19:29.31 | ``Erik | i can has more geometryburgers? |
| 19:30.26 | brlcad | no, but you can has cheez |
| 19:30.27 | madant | seconds starseeker |
| 19:30.32 | starseeker | geometryburgers? is this some unit I am not familiar with? "I have 3 geometryburgers worth of models in this repository" |
| 19:31.11 | madant | hippieindamakin8: all the best for ur exams dude.. |
| 19:31.12 | brlcad | is inclined to separate it from the brlcad.org domain altogether to let it have self-identity |
| 19:31.16 | d-lo | starseeker: 3.14 geometryburgers = 0.125 metric ass tonnes. |
| 19:31.22 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, thanks :) |
| 19:31.32 | starseeker | d-lo: aahhh, of course |
| 19:31.33 | ``Erik | mmmm apple pi |
| 19:32.03 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: yeah, good luck! |
| 19:32.17 | d-lo | will vote for models.brlcad.org only if Megan Fox is involved. |
| 19:32.27 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:33.21 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, thanks :) |
| 19:33.30 | madant | brlcad: any stats up yet ? total number of projects/students ? at least they were true to the larger "student peer group per project" :) |
| 19:33.33 | hippieindamakin8 | Megan Fox eh ? :P |
| 19:33.47 | jonored | thinks that the reprap and thingiverse should both expose at least some dublin core metadata, so that we can aggregate the two and future similar sites sensibly... |
| 19:34.07 | jonored | ...er... wrong project. the brlcad database, not the reprap... wrong project I want to work on. |
| 19:35.26 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || Congratulations to D.Thomas, E.Bautu, J.Doliner, T.Ruitenbeek, and B.Saunders! || GSoC2009 Next Step: do the checklist(!), introduce yourself, meet the mentors, finalize milestones | |
| 19:36.19 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.6 posted (20090403) || Congratulations to D.Thomas, E.Bautu, J.Doliner, T.Ruitenbeek, and B.Saunders! || GSoC2009 Next Step: do the checklist(!), introduce yourself, meet the mentors, finalize milestones -- coding begins May 23rd | |
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| 19:42.49 | madant | jdoliner: let me be the first to congratulate you :D |
| 19:44.12 | jdoliner | thanks madant |
| 19:44.19 | pacman87_ | is there a wiki page up yet to list the 2009 projects? |
| 19:44.19 | jdoliner | I'm very excited to working with all of you |
| 19:44.46 | jdoliner | i'm looking for one right now |
| 19:44.47 | pacman87_ | congrats all |
| 19:45.06 | madant | pacman87_: don't think so.. :) |
| 19:45.20 | madant | pacman87_: i meant no page ofcourse :D |
| 19:46.28 | pacman87_ | it'd be good toput names, nicks, and projects together |
| 19:47.08 | madant | interesting :) http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/systers |
| 19:47.24 | madant | when do we have a similar misters org :D |
| 19:49.58 | d-lo | Mysters? no thanks. might as well paint the letters rainbow and include My Little Pony icons! |
| 19:49.59 | brlcad | pacman87_: yes, the 2009 page is there ready to be populated .. been ready since application time ;) |
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| 19:53.13 | d-lo | madant: actually, there already is a community of men involved in computing. Check it out as it is the largest collection of computer geeks in the world: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 19:53.29 | pacman87_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.31 | madant | d-lo: :P |
| 19:53.39 | mafm | who's clifford yap? starseeker? |
| 19:53.51 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, yeah |
| 19:53.59 | hippieindamakin8 | * mafm |
| 19:54.08 | ``Erik | some programmer wannabe, he doesn't have face fuzz, so he's not a real programmer yet |
| 19:54.09 | ``Erik | :D |
| 19:54.13 | madant | howdy mafm :) |
| 19:54.14 | d-lo | must be feelin frisky because i just saw a potential "He's your daddy" joke... |
| 19:55.14 | mafm | congrats to all applicants, specially to the selected one |
| 19:55.17 | mafm | ones* |
| 19:55.47 | mafm | I also observed that brlcad sacrifice himself and chose the girl as pupil... neat trick :P |
| 19:55.59 | madant | :P neeeet |
| 19:56.02 | brlcad | the mentors aren't set |
| 19:56.04 | hippieindamakin8 | :P |
| 19:56.14 | mafm | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/brlcad -- here it is |
| 19:56.19 | brlcad | i just can't get in to change anything |
| 19:56.30 | mafm | by what nick goes Joe Doliner? |
| 19:56.39 | ``Erik | jdoliner |
| 19:56.41 | brlcad | probably jdoliner :) |
| 19:56.48 | brlcad | he's tricky that way |
| 19:56.49 | ``Erik | real creative one there ;> |
| 19:56.53 | madant | argh some people type way too fast |
| 19:58.32 | pacman87_ | it's ok, i type slow |
| 19:58.53 | pacman87_ | itouch kb |
| 19:59.30 | brlcad | ~seen elena |
| 19:59.33 | ibot | elena <n=ebautu@89.136.118.141> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 4d 2h 27m 54s ago, saying: ';)'. |
| 19:59.49 | brlcad | hm, that doesn't seem right |
| 20:00.03 | brlcad | ~seen ebautu |
| 20:00.04 | ibot | i haven't seen 'ebautu', brlcad |
| 20:00.22 | madant | nice last words.. er smileys nevertheless :D |
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| 20:03.02 | mafm | lol, ok |
| 20:03.09 | mafm | I thought that it might be hippieindamakin8 or something |
| 20:03.18 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, no :) |
| 20:03.27 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: didn't get selected? |
| 20:03.41 | hippieindamakin8 | no man |
| 20:04.26 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, not this year too :) |
| 20:04.38 | mafm | sorry :( |
| 20:05.13 | hippieindamakin8 | unfortunately this is the last year i am eligible for the gsoc unless i get through gradschool admissions next year after working for an year |
| 20:06.19 | mafm | well, you'd better to to Bangalore and get the big bucks! |
| 20:07.41 | ``Erik | eligible as a student, ya mean... :D |
| 20:07.44 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, bangalore hasnt got big bucks anymore thanks to recession :) |
| 20:08.04 | hippieindamakin8 | ``Erik, yeah . But i ll be arnd from now on |
| 20:08.22 | ``Erik | ghah, parser error, unhandled condition, aborting |
| 20:08.48 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, moving to Pune rt now. (waiting for a confirmation from a university in Sweden too) |
| 20:11.38 | madant | hippieindamakin8: what in pune ? |
| 20:12.06 | hippieindamakin8 | joining a firm called tetrahedrix |
| 20:12.25 | madant | recollects pune has India's tallest climbing wall |
| 20:13.10 | hippieindamakin8 | is it ? naice |
| 20:14.38 | madant | hippieindamakin8: sweden sounds exotic ;) |
| 20:14.56 | mafm | hippieindamakin8: where's "Pune rt"? |
| 20:15.10 | mafm | ah, in india |
| 20:15.14 | hippieindamakin8 | :P lets see. they dont have projects now . |
| 20:15.17 | madant | or as my prof said when i told him about wanting to do an internship in Ghana.."ah.. ghana, well how erotic..er. i mean exotic" |
| 20:15.44 | hippieindamakin8 | mafm, it is near bombay / mumbai |
| 20:15.49 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, lol |
| 20:16.56 | brlcad | madant: doesn't nepal have the world's tallest climbing wall? right next door to india ;) |
| 20:17.30 | madant | hahaha.. :) indeed.. but climbing everest is more a matter of money these days.. :D |
| 20:18.13 | madant | would suck at traditional climbing big time :) too much equipment to carry |
| 20:21.11 | madant | http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/2008/09/yosemite/midnight-lightning-photosynth |
| 20:24.20 | brlcad | so the next step is to make sure those timelines/milestones look good -- everyone needs to make sure their project is up on the wiki |
| 20:24.33 | brlcad | i'll fill in the 2009 page with links soon enough |
| 20:25.14 | madant | should get back his "little piece of death" to sober up. |
| 20:28.24 | brlcad | heh |
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| 21:22.18 | brlcad | woot |
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| 22:16.53 | ``Erik | "it was made for elvis, but he found it tacky" |
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| 23:17.50 | jdoliner | is anyone here william bowman in real life? |
| 23:18.27 | ``Erik | no, he's more of a mail list guy |
| 23:19.22 | jdoliner | ah, I see |
| 23:19.51 | jdoliner | I can't seem to find his email anywhere |
| 23:19.55 | Ralith | jdoliner: I'm william bowman in my imagination! |
| 23:20.34 | jdoliner | wonderful, then in you imagination I'm your apprentice |
| 23:20.44 | jdoliner | pleased to meet you |
| 23:21.07 | jdoliner | I guess I'll just introduce myself on the mailing list and have him email me back |
| 23:21.33 | ``Erik | ralith: you don't have the massive goatee or the cigar, you can't be him :D |
| 23:21.42 | Ralith | :[ |
| 23:22.05 | Ralith | he sounds awesome |
| 23:22.59 | ``Erik | he's a character O.o (I share an office with him) |
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| 00:31.07 | starseeker | emerges from his first deep dive into the guts of the brep code - wow there's a lot to soak in here |
| 00:32.22 | starseeker | brlcad: Is it a reasonable strategy for surface "wireframe" visualization of nurbs surfaces to randomly sample uv space points and plot points on the real-space coordinates? kinda a "point cloud" for the nurb surface? |
| 00:33.06 | starseeker | maybe not as a normal viewing mode but for debugging it would be handy |
| 00:33.26 | starseeker | e.g. the rebuilt sphere |
| 00:35.07 | starseeker | is eying EvPoint for this purpose, once he figures out how to get the uv domain in which to sample... |
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| 00:41.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Pacman87 07http://brlcad.org * r1425 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: Updated with accepted proposals |
| 00:41.39 | pacman87 | i'm assuming that's the right page for that |
| 00:42.11 | pacman87 | madant, jdoliner, et al: feel free to add details |
| 00:42.16 | pacman87 | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009 |
| 00:53.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1426 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Hybrid Representation through BREP on BREP CSG */ |
| 00:54.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1427 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Hybrid Representation through BREP on BREP CSG */ |
| 00:54.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1428 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Hybrid Representation through BREP on BREP CSG */ |
| 00:55.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1429 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Hybrid Representation through BREP on BREP CSG */ |
| 01:00.17 | brlcad | pacman87: yep, thanks! |
| 01:01.31 | Ralith | huh, could have sworn my mentor was starseeker this morning. |
| 01:03.20 | brlcad | jdoliner, Ralith, madant, pacman87 -- please do keep in mind a few things: 1) conversations should be public, 2) mentoring should similarly be public especially technical discussions, and 3) your listed mentor is predominantly for logistically tracking your progress |
| 01:04.15 | pacman87 | Ralith: are you Benjamin Saunders? |
| 01:04.24 | brlcad | i.e., they're not your "go-to" person for technical discussions -- those really should be open forums (here and/or irc) where any/other devs can at least listen in |
| 01:04.30 | Ralith | pacman87: yup. |
| 01:04.56 | brlcad | Ralith: he was, there were a few swap-ups once the website was finally accessible again |
| 01:05.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Pacman87 07http://brlcad.org * r1430 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: |
| 01:05.01 | Ralith | ah. |
| 01:05.06 | pacman87 | i suppose i could've deduced that |
| 01:05.06 | Ralith | yeah, I recall you mentioned that we're using group-mentoring |
| 01:05.13 | Ralith | plus it's always good to have such things in everyone's logs |
| 01:05.14 | brlcad | not that it matters who is listed really :) |
| 01:05.25 | Ralith | matters that I'm not going insane ^^ |
| 01:05.35 | pacman87 | oh, and time zones might also be good for that page |
| 01:05.45 | brlcad | well, that's not necessarily proof *against* that fact, Ralith :) |
| 01:05.50 | Ralith | hehe |
| 01:06.18 | pacman87 | the "MoRe.brlcad.org 2" makes me curious... |
| 01:06.27 | Ralith | pacman87: I dunno. I suspect I speak for more than myself when I say that my sleep schedule is strange and unpredictable enough to make timezone questionably relevant. |
| 01:06.56 | brlcad | pacman87: how so? |
| 01:07.05 | pacman87 | not a descriptive title |
| 01:07.12 | brlcad | ah :) |
| 01:07.13 | pacman87 | wondering what the project actually is |
| 01:07.22 | brlcad | knew exactly what that was ;) |
| 01:07.42 | ``Erik | O.O http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/the_state/series.jhtml |
| 01:07.56 | brlcad | she was an applicant last year that we lost during conflict resolution, hence the '2' |
| 01:08.21 | pacman87 | ah |
| 01:09.04 | brlcad | yes, one of you four got lucky! ;) |
| 01:10.56 | brlcad | starseeker: sure, but if you're going to do that much, why not use the points to stich them together and display a mesh instead? |
| 01:11.08 | starseeker | sure |
| 01:11.14 | brlcad | that's all things like tor do, sample around the surface parameter space and display a mesh |
| 01:11.27 | starseeker | ok, that's what I want :-) |
| 01:11.51 | starseeker | would like rebuilt sphere to actually look like a sphere in wireframe... call me crazy... |
| 01:11.57 | brlcad | even the old nurbs code does that -- the only trick is not making too many edges |
| 01:13.12 | starseeker | has yet to get it to give him any points... |
| 01:13.15 | brlcad | since you'll quickly run out of memory or end up with complex wireframes for trivial shapes that are expensive to display -- want a 'minimal' mesh that is barely sufficient |
| 01:13.20 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:13.39 | ``Erik | yeah, screen full of red == bad |
| 01:14.39 | ``Erik | meshes will show ya pretty quick how bad it gets (be good to have LoD on those) |
| 01:15.30 | brlcad | we should eventually sort out a way to manage levels of detail in the wireframe, so we can have beautifully smooth curves and detail when it matters along with being able to bring up entire vehicles without 'e' taking minutes |
| 01:17.06 | Ralith | pacman87: oooh, sweep prims? Awesome! |
| 01:17.22 | Ralith | been wanting those. |
| 01:17.36 | brlcad | be nice to stack automatic LoD on top of it too, so mged or the display manager could recognize that an object is less than 2x2 pixels in screen space, for example, so it only displays a dot, etc |
| 01:18.57 | ``Erik | and mebbe look at refresh time to see if level should be tweaked down on slow machines or up on fast ones |
| 01:19.19 | brlcad | nods |
| 01:19.46 | ``Erik | (overridable, of course, for when the gurus know what they're doing) |
| 01:20.13 | starseeker | OK, here's something else from Rhino in the nurbs department: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_shape1.g |
| 01:20.28 | starseeker | looks like this in Rhino: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/shape1_rhino.png |
| 01:20.49 | starseeker | and currently looks like this in my raytrace: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/shape1.png |
| 01:21.21 | ``Erik | thinks one of those is broken |
| 01:21.24 | brlcad | cool, looks about the same to me |
| 01:21.31 | brlcad | we're done! |
| 01:21.35 | starseeker | hehe |
| 01:21.40 | brlcad | oh I see the problem |
| 01:21.42 | brlcad | ours is red |
| 01:21.42 | ``Erik | those aren't the same ae or perspective |
| 01:21.52 | ``Erik | so it's impossible to do a pixel comparison |
| 01:21.55 | ``Erik | (plus one is red) |
| 01:22.07 | starseeker | brlcad: will that do for a "next step" geometry test or is that a bit much? |
| 01:22.12 | brlcad | matching view would help |
| 01:22.18 | ``Erik | c'mon, starseeker, if you want a pixel comparison, at LEAST get the ae right |
| 01:22.21 | brlcad | it's a bit much I'd think |
| 01:22.26 | starseeker | sigh |
| 01:22.34 | starseeker | ok, I'll take another stab tomorrow |
| 01:22.36 | brlcad | i mean keep it, great test case |
| 01:22.49 | brlcad | but about as complex as the vase it seems |
| 01:22.57 | starseeker | ah |
| 01:23.01 | brlcad | how many surfaces? |
| 01:23.21 | starseeker | it's two extruded curves, one subtracted from the other |
| 01:23.29 | starseeker | not sure how it came out surface wise |
| 01:23.33 | brlcad | right, but what did it store? |
| 01:23.38 | brlcad | l in mged should say |
| 01:23.40 | ``Erik | making each surface a different color might help |
| 01:23.53 | starseeker | 5 faces |
| 01:24.04 | brlcad | huh |
| 01:24.07 | brlcad | counted 4 |
| 01:24.27 | starseeker | I may have messed up in rhino |
| 01:24.36 | starseeker | isn't a rhino expert, unfortunately |
| 01:24.37 | ``Erik | mebbe the pinches on the inside split the inside into two faces? |
| 01:25.54 | starseeker | incidently, this shape really shows up the limitations of our current wireframe routine ;-) |
| 01:25.59 | brlcad | starseeker: I would suggest starting with the primitives (again) but more methodically making test geometry that test varied (non-uniform and uniform) scaling |
| 01:26.08 | starseeker | ok |
| 01:26.54 | starseeker | should read the Rhino tutorial this time :-P |
| 01:27.40 | starseeker | really hits the road this time |
| 01:27.45 | starseeker | shopping to do |
| 01:27.47 | brlcad | like a sub-mm sphere, a unit sphere, a 1m sphere, a 1000m sphere, then for each of those vertically compressed (a flatish disk, maybe in half) and vertically stretched (a long ellipsoid, maybe quadruple) |
| 01:28.06 | brlcad | then move on to the next primitive, repeat |
| 01:28.22 | brlcad | each one should be pretty quick to generate, save |
| 01:28.44 | brlcad | that should make sure the tolerances are working right |
| 01:30.17 | brlcad | (keep screenshots of a consistent view in rhino for comparison, like 35/25 or 45/45 |
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| 04:51.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: restored the mirror command's ability to take a trailing x|y|z axis option while |
| 04:51.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: still utilizing the new command wrappers. instead of calling the edit wrapper, |
| 04:51.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: though, we just call the view wrapper and do the edit/redraw ourselves. works |
| 04:51.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: like a charm. this was specifically requested by victor cericole for |
| 04:51.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: efficiency/familiarity, albeit left it intentionally undocumented |
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| 05:40.35 | dreeves2 | ~log |
| 05:40.36 | ibot | log is, like, as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation, or http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ |
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| 10:19.57 | d-lo | mernin all! |
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| 10:34.39 | mafm_ | mernin, d-lo |
| 10:35.11 | d-lo | hai mafm! How goes it? |
| 10:36.46 | mafm | http://edu.gulo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=56 |
| 10:37.04 | mafm | considering attending the emacs course |
| 10:37.16 | mafm | "Line editors and the infamous ed -> vi evolution." |
| 10:37.36 | mafm | sounds amazing as a piece of compuer archaeology :P |
| 10:38.06 | mafm | "Religion and text editors" - spiritual enlightening |
| 10:58.30 | d-lo | heh: http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
| 10:59.00 | d-lo | the html source is a hoot. |
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| 11:53.45 | brlcad | mafm: sounds like a great course |
| 11:54.58 | mafm | brlcad: kidding, I guess :P |
| 11:55.05 | mafm | s/guess/hope/ |
| 11:55.25 | brlcad | mafm: heh, nope |
| 11:55.42 | brlcad | that really does sound like a nice comprehensive overview of emacs |
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| 11:58.26 | LarsG | Hi... anyone has some time for a short question? I am trying to (mis-)use brlcad to convert from dxf to iges... |
| 11:58.57 | brlcad | dxf-g, g-iges |
| 11:58.57 | LarsG | I manage to import both the 2d and the 3d content from my dxf, but from seperate input files |
| 11:59.16 | brlcad | ahh, 2D export to iges isn't probably going to succeed |
| 11:59.17 | LarsG | so now, I have two g.files (databases) that I would have to merge |
| 11:59.27 | LarsG | hm |
| 11:59.29 | brlcad | the fact that dxf-g imports 2D is sheer oddity |
| 11:59.41 | brlcad | rather, it's "new" |
| 11:59.55 | LarsG | ok, I can report it to work as import |
| 12:00.06 | brlcad | we don't generally import non-solid objects, but one of the devs added 2D support for dxf since they closely map to our sketch objects |
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| 12:01.25 | brlcad | larsG: we don't generally import non-solid objects, but one of the devs added 2D support for dxf since they closely map to our sketch objects |
| 12:01.36 | mafm | brlcad: would you go to one such course? I find it pretty un-amusing, spending 1 whole day (8 hours) lerning how to use a diary or connect to jabber with emacs :P |
| 12:01.37 | brlcad | but might as well give it a try :) |
| 12:02.08 | LarsG | I see, so no chance to get both exported |
| 12:02.22 | brlcad | mafm: I know most of how to do that with emacs already, but yeah I'd consider it |
| 12:02.28 | LarsG | but for interest, is there a merge-command to merge two databases? |
| 12:02.31 | brlcad | LarsG: I don't recall frankly |
| 12:02.44 | brlcad | what iges will do with the sketch objects is the big question |
| 12:02.54 | brlcad | LarsG: it's trivial to merge to .g files |
| 12:03.29 | brlcad | you can dbconcat or use mged File->Import or literally 'cat' the two files together (assuming you don't have name collisions) |
| 12:03.48 | LarsG | ahhh ok, I was hoping for something like that |
| 12:04.25 | brlcad | dbconcat in mged is the most 'clean' way |
| 12:05.27 | LarsG | ok I try this |
| 12:07.51 | LarsG | hm the only problem now is that I get two times "all" |
| 12:08.19 | mafm | brlcad: I'm only interested in some bits, and especially first and last day look like a bit ... preposterous? to me, I don't know what's unholy about ed to vi evolution, and I don't know why you would want to use emacs instead of proper and efficient tools for some of the day5 tasks :) |
| 12:11.17 | LarsG | ok, I think I got it by adding prefixes, still the effect is strange. |
| 12:11.31 | LarsG | I can either display the 3d or the 2d stuff |
| 12:12.46 | LarsG | if I switch off the model in the geombrowser, I can display the dimensions, but when the model is displayed, the 2d objects stay invisible |
| 12:22.01 | brlcad | mafm: first day is basically history and basics of use -- what makes that preposterous? |
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| 12:23.44 | brlcad | mafm: if you don't know why, then it sounds like it's probably a good course for you too -- some of the topics on day 5 are very powerful facilities |
| 12:24.33 | brlcad | the point is to teach you why |
| 12:25.07 | brlcad | perhaps address many of your preconceived notions, which sound like you have quite a few of |
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| 12:27.01 | brlcad | howdy d_rossberg |
| 12:28.23 | archivist | if an editor need a 5 day course then there is some thing wrong with usability :) |
| 12:28.35 | brlcad | or there's just that much you can do with it |
| 12:29.30 | brlcad | very likely could spend just as much time covering all the things possible with vim |
| 12:30.10 | brlcad | and I know entire (multi-week) courses that focus around teaching things like msstudio |
| 12:30.19 | archivist | "Keeping balances and bank transactions" surely an editor is the wrong place for banking |
| 12:30.25 | d_rossberg | good morning to all |
| 12:30.30 | brlcad | it's not an editor, that's the point |
| 12:30.56 | brlcad | it's an environment, and a programmable one at that |
| 12:32.26 | d-lo | mernin d_rossberg. How goes things? |
| 12:34.00 | d-lo | archivist: Lets put it this way: In the Terminator movies, skynet is actually a 'mode' of emacs. |
| 12:34.11 | mafm | brlcad: explaining "infamous ed -> vi evolution" doesn't sound right to me, or "religion and text editors" |
| 12:34.36 | brlcad | mafm: why? |
| 12:34.44 | mafm | trollish |
| 12:34.49 | brlcad | it's for better or worse, a HUGE aspect to the history of the projects |
| 12:35.03 | brlcad | there have been editor "wars" as long as there have been editors |
| 12:35.34 | brlcad | a course on the editor covering the history of how/why it came to pass not covering those wars would be like covering WWII and leaving out Germany |
| 12:38.51 | brlcad | I certainly didn't read it as trollish, though I can see how you would have .. but just further reinforces that it sounds like you're rather biased with several preconceptions |
| 12:39.47 | mafm | dunno, I just happen to find emacs useful and use it, I don't know why should I bother with the wars with vi in a course... maybe I just expect technical aspects and not other considerations :) |
| 12:39.48 | brlcad | could certainly talk about the ed->vi evolution and editor religion with or without an agenda -- it's history and perspective (that many people don't have contrary to his 'infamous' claim) |
| 12:40.51 | brlcad | mafm: heh, well maybe it's just filler, they have a week to fill after all ;) |
| 12:41.37 | mafm | I think that they just enjoy it (I know some of the people and they do use emacs to connect to IRC and all that) |
| 12:42.27 | brlcad | likewise, friends that use it for email and finances and other purposes .. and they're impressively efficient at it |
| 12:42.46 | archivist | some time you need the best tool for the job and not a jack of all trades |
| 12:42.56 | brlcad | not my preference nor a skill set proficiency that I've learned, but doesn't mean it's wrong either ;) |
| 12:42.59 | mafm | mines aren't terribly efficient at that, though :) |
| 12:44.10 | mafm | in fact they spend time trying to do that instead of working properly |
| 12:45.06 | brlcad | meh, it's their time to use -- everyone has hobbies |
| 12:45.11 | mafm | I can see why it's useful to show that you can use emacs as an environment, but you don't have to showcase all those tools for a whole day |
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| 12:45.55 | ``Erik | pheer bill joys hack around ed to make it 'wysiwig', death to the its teco clusterfuck! :D |
| 12:46.04 | mafm | well, one of them is doing it during working hours, not as hobby, maybe I'm also a bit biased because of that :P |
| 12:46.55 | ``Erik | the only people who think the emacs/vi religious war isn't friendly are the newbs and outsiders :) |
| 12:47.07 | brlcad | many/most people have hobby-spillover with their work, that was part of the point |
| 12:47.18 | brlcad | if you don't allow it, you have unhappy unproductive people |
| 12:47.34 | ``Erik | (emacs is an interesting lispos for an archaic variant... all it's missing is a decent editor) |
| 12:47.38 | brlcad | what do you care if you're doing your part -- unless you're an unhappy unproductive person :P |
| 12:47.44 | ``Erik | I think I'm in a couple fortune files saying something like that O.o |
| 12:48.14 | ``Erik | (morning, all) |
| 12:48.24 | mafm | I care because I have to share his part, when he doesn't do it :D |
| 12:48.54 | brlcad | so, unless you hate your job? |
| 12:49.06 | brlcad | in which case.. you have a bigger problem |
| 12:50.26 | mafm | erm, yes, it's a sunny day around here... |
| 12:50.28 | brlcad | i'd take on any coworker's project in a minute were it not for time conflicts and competing priorities, it's nearly all fun stuff to work on (the comp sci parts) |
| 12:51.01 | mafm | ;) |
| 12:51.02 | d-lo | its begining to sound like brlcad is wasting too much time sleeping and chatting on irc! |
| 12:52.24 | d_rossberg | d-lo: lot of work here |
| 12:52.27 | brlcad | naw, I'm happy I got mirror 'fixed' |
| 12:52.45 | brlcad | digesting the next move |
| 12:54.57 | ``Erik | gheh, digesting :/ shoulda had more than a salad for dinner last night |
| 12:55.25 | mafm | btw ``Erik, vi doesn't even deserve to be consider a match to emacs, it's so inferior that it hurts when you pronounce the name, blagh :P |
| 12:55.36 | brlcad | ahh, that reminds me .. I *did* have salad (caprese) and an amazing risotto... must get more! |
| 12:55.52 | ``Erik | heh, vim is my weapon of choice, emacs is so... gooby |
| 12:56.30 | archivist | is raw vi |
| 12:56.32 | ``Erik | is using both lately, 'slime' is impressive and hasn't tried the vim equivalent |
| 12:56.51 | ``Erik | and I've had to use ed on a few occasions :) |
| 12:56.55 | ``Erik | the ONE TRUE EDITOR |
| 12:57.09 | mafm | the ONE LINE AT A TIME true editor |
| 12:57.27 | archivist | although on windaz I use syn |
| 12:57.28 | ``Erik | erm less so than emacs O.o |
| 12:57.42 | ``Erik | on windows, I use a fbsd install cd |
| 12:57.44 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 12:57.55 | mafm | wouldn't people use sed instead of ed nowadays? |
| 12:58.03 | mafm | I never resorted to use ed |
| 12:58.08 | ``Erik | uhm... ed is interactive sed |
| 12:58.16 | d-lo | add fuel to fire. |
| 12:58.22 | d-lo | vi is stupid. |
| 12:58.30 | ``Erik | yes, you're an ide weenie, you know nothing |
| 12:58.30 | ``Erik | ;D |
| 12:59.05 | mafm | yeah, a mouse engineer :P |
| 12:59.14 | starseeker | throws some gasoline on the flamewar by saying he likes nedit :-P |
| 12:59.44 | starseeker | nothing like a good flamewar in the morning to get the blood moving |
| 12:59.54 | ``Erik | what would something about visual studio add to the fire? |
| 13:00.15 | starseeker | that's beyond a mere flamewar ;-) |
| 13:00.18 | ``Erik | is that the godwin's law of editors? |
| 13:00.29 | d-lo | ``Erik: I dunno what throwing pure evil on a fire would do... |
| 13:00.44 | mafm | sure, you're an editor nazi, ``Erik |
| 13:00.48 | starseeker | more like the framewar breaks up with all sides laughing at the idea of visual studio as an editor... |
| 13:01.04 | starseeker | sort of a "ok, none of us are as bad as that" effect |
| 13:01.37 | ``Erik | d-lo: I was reading a website about interviews at MS last night and one of them was "you're in an 8x8' roomt with no doors and the prince of darkness appears before you" |
| 13:01.52 | d-lo | ahahahahaha. |
| 13:01.57 | ``Erik | my thought was to ask "um, is it bill? or is he the king and steve the prince? I need to know if I have to dodge chairs..." |
| 13:02.06 | mafm | time to retire for my coffee, now that my evil plan to start a yihad here at #brlcad :P |
| 13:02.21 | ``Erik | wonders how that would go over at an ms interview |
| 13:02.34 | d-lo | mafm: no jihad. I am right and everyone else is wrong. Its as simple as that. |
| 13:03.02 | ``Erik | emacs and vim are awfully hard to use when you can only interface a computer via a 2 button mouse :( |
| 13:03.13 | mafm | erm, now that my plan (rest of phrase) succeeded* |
| 13:03.21 | d-lo | ``Erik: My brother in law (aka the guy who is high up on the Silverlight team) just bought an iPod. His boss glares at him all day :) |
| 13:03.45 | starseeker | lololol |
| 13:04.17 | ``Erik | hehehe, didja see the surveillance video of the thief who stole a laptop and shit, stole the headphones off of a zune, but left the zune? :D |
| 13:04.30 | d-lo | ``Erik: true, but if someone doesn't have a keyboard, I would love to see even an emacs guru be productive ;) |
| 13:05.01 | ``Erik | I'd love to see an emacs guru be productive even with a kbd *cough* O:-) |
| 13:05.37 | ``Erik | http://digg.com/comedy/Thief_Steals_Everything_But_The_Zune |
| 13:05.47 | d-lo | In fact, I would bet that if a vi/vim guru sat down at a computer without a keyboard, he would just stare at the mouse with blood running out of his ears. |
| 13:06.24 | ``Erik | heh, vi was made to interface computers without keyboards :D slow-assed teletype terminals ftw |
| 13:06.30 | mafm | lol |
| 13:10.53 | ``Erik | rubs the sleep from his eyes and tries to figure out which task to do today |
| 13:11.38 | brlcad | adrt client ftw! |
| 13:12.01 | ``Erik | yeah, but I also have to get the forge pki crap done 'real soon now' |
| 13:12.02 | ``Erik | :( |
| 13:12.32 | ``Erik | plus an abstract for a paper |
| 13:12.38 | ``Erik | if not a chunk of the paper heh |
| 13:13.22 | brlcad | hey, you said "today" .. all the rest of that could be done tomorrow |
| 13:14.03 | ``Erik | given how long it takes the adrt stuff to instrument for a peek at what it may be doing, progress there isn't a "today" thing :( |
| 13:16.51 | ``Erik | might try to twist it into libpkg to make it a little more coherent |
| 13:17.13 | brlcad | would be teh awesome |
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| 14:26.47 | starseeker | hmm, slashdot finally noticed gsoc |
| 14:29.28 | brlcad | starseeker: there was an announcement earlier, just didn't make the headline |
| 14:29.35 | brlcad | it was poorly worded |
| 14:29.58 | madant | 5th year after all :) |
| 14:31.02 | madant | so not so much a of NEWs maybe.. |
| 14:36.22 | _clock_ | lol |
| 14:36.27 | _clock_ | slashdot is well informed |
| 14:52.21 | ``Erik | not especially... the signal/noise ratio has dropped a LOT |
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| 14:52.43 | ``Erik | I tend to get my fix at hacker news ( http://news.ycombinator.com ) now |
| 14:54.44 | ``Erik | tends to be a strong "web 2.0" startup crap angle to a lot, but it also has general nerdiness stuff |
| 14:59.17 | PrezKennedy | not much noise there... not much of anything really... :P |
| 15:02.08 | ``Erik | it's fast, they only keep 210 in the 'hot spool', almost everything I've seen on slashdot for the last several months, I'd seen on that site earlier |
| 15:06.06 | brlcad | pacman87: http://www.google.com/search?q=sweep+primitive |
| 15:06.15 | brlcad | you are now apparently the definitive source! :) |
| 15:08.55 | starseeker | brlcad: here's some boxes at different size points: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_boxes.g |
| 15:13.18 | starseeker | will hit spheres next |
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| 15:38.12 | starseeker | various spheres: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_spheres.g |
| 15:38.52 | mafm | brlcad sayeth: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206403&cid=27661197 |
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| 17:30.42 | ``Erik | huh http://nfg.2y.net/games/ntsc/visual.shtm we suck at blue |
| 17:34.06 | archivist | hence we called it Never Twice the Same Colour over here |
| 17:34.28 | ``Erik | hey, PAL, back off :D |
| 17:34.36 | ``Erik | </pun> *duck* |
| 17:34.37 | archivist | :) |
| 17:34.48 | archivist | Perfect All Lines |
| 17:35.36 | archivist | SECAM System Essentially Contrary to American Method |
| 17:35.37 | ``Erik | contends that visual quality is irrelevant as long as programming quality is nonexistant |
| 17:36.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r34274 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 17:36.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Added ArrayCopy class used it in place of some calls to Arrays.copy(). |
| 17:36.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: This is to eliminate use of Java 6 specific stuff |
| 17:36.36 | ``Erik | "can't polish a turd"? |
| 17:37.40 | archivist | I saw some shiny turds a couple of years ago while out walking |
| 17:38.22 | ``Erik | quite the contrarian today, eh? no matter, I'm enjoying a sake buzz, I believe I'll say "screw bureacracy" and code some |
| 17:39.11 | archivist | I was a TV engineer way back so Im used to the TV systems and all the crap |
| 17:39.50 | ``Erik | the tv and monitor overlay triangles on the average eye sensitivity chart are kinda depressing |
| 17:40.24 | ``Erik | especially considering how much of a persons life is spent staring at one... |
| 17:41.37 | ``Erik | http://www.cameraguild.com/technology/images/colorimetry7.jpg |
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| 18:08.20 | brlcad | howdy jonored_ |
| 18:11.46 | jonored_ | Hihi |
| 18:13.42 | brlcad | jonored_: you get brep_curve() working? :)( |
| 18:15.16 | jonored_ | I got it what looks like partially working with calling the opennurbs routines, but it's very spotty. |
| 18:15.44 | brlcad | how so? |
| 18:15.47 | brlcad | how are you testing it? |
| 18:17.24 | jonored_ | Running it on the sphere from the nurbs_tests.g set that starseeker has. It comes back with what looks like a random set of pixels filled, and others not when I run rt -l 4 on it. All the same color, though, which looks plausible. |
| 18:19.30 | jonored_ | http://users.wpi.edu/~jonored/brlcad/nurbs_sphere.png |
| 18:19.34 | archivist | ``Erik, worse when you take in the subtractive colour systems (printing inks/dyes) as well |
| 18:19.53 | brlcad | jonored_: wow, that is pretty wicked |
| 18:20.04 | brlcad | likes more like random data |
| 18:22.53 | jonored_ | Red and blue for the principal curvatures, though? |
| 18:23.21 | pacman87 | jonored_: i think your cloaking technology needs a bit more work, i can still see it |
| 18:26.42 | brlcad | starseeker: you seen this? http://brlcad.org/tmp/tirechart.jpg |
| 18:26.55 | brlcad | figure probably, but just in case |
| 18:39.31 | starseeker | hmm - not that particular one |
| 18:47.29 | starseeker | brlcad: are you familiar with Qhull? |
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| 18:56.23 | brlcad | nope, not specifically |
| 18:56.35 | starseeker | mike pointed it out to me |
| 18:57.10 | brlcad | wow, heh, that's pretty lame.. their "images" page is a google 'qhull' images search |
| 18:57.40 | starseeker | not sure what to make of their COPYING.txt file |
| 18:57.49 | starseeker | is that LGPL compatible? |
| 18:59.18 | brlcad | incompatible because of clause 3 and 4 |
| 18:59.29 | starseeker | nuts |
| 18:59.37 | brlcad | you can't add new restrictions |
| 18:59.53 | brlcad | the other three are covered by lgpl already |
| 19:00.02 | starseeker | other 3? |
| 19:00.10 | brlcad | clauses 1, 2, and 5 |
| 19:00.14 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:00.31 | starseeker | well, I guess it's back to GNU TSL then :-) |
| 19:00.38 | brlcad | given how loosely it's worded though and how old it is, you could probably get them to relicense |
| 19:01.06 | starseeker | hmm |
| 19:01.31 | starseeker | wonder if they're better than TSL at triangulation |
| 19:01.35 | brlcad | tsltsl? |
| 19:01.53 | starseeker | GNU Triangulated Surface Library |
| 19:02.03 | brlcad | ah, right |
| 19:02.08 | brlcad | GTS :) |
| 19:02.19 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 19:02.54 | brlcad | curious, what's it for? |
| 19:03.07 | brlcad | i mean, what you're using it for .. not what gts is for |
| 19:03.24 | starseeker | dunno - he just came in talking about the points primitive and mentioned Qhull as being of interest |
| 19:03.44 | brlcad | ah, the automatically mesh surfaces |
| 19:03.51 | brlcad | sure |
| 19:03.52 | brlcad | maybe |
| 19:03.52 | brlcad | later |
| 19:03.57 | starseeker | exactly |
| 19:03.59 | brlcad | irrellevant at this point :) |
| 19:04.05 | starseeker | don't know what put the bee in his bonnet |
| 19:04.21 | brlcad | probably was just talking to richard |
| 19:04.41 | ``Erik | nnNGSNngs *kicks stupid fop repeatedly* |
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| 19:06.39 | brlcad | he's an armchair thoughtmonger, wouldn't put too much effort |
| 19:06.42 | brlcad | tis distractionary |
| 19:06.52 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:07.07 | starseeker | uploading new nurbs examples created so far |
| 19:07.19 | brlcad | saw some tire pictures getting put to use nicely (geoff) |
| 19:07.44 | starseeker | cool :-) yeah, he asked for those a few days ago |
| 19:08.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34275 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/adrt.h: use high bit of mode type to indicate a change in mode |
| 19:10.45 | starseeker | ok, what I've got so far is here: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_tests/ |
| 19:11.33 | brlcad | cool |
| 19:11.48 | brlcad | unfortunately, I can't look at them at the moment because mged is crashing! |
| 19:11.59 | starseeker | a couple of those cases may be too extreme to be reasonable, not sure |
| 19:12.01 | starseeker | uh oh! |
| 19:12.07 | starseeker | latest svn? |
| 19:12.18 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:12.24 | starseeker | builds |
| 19:12.26 | brlcad | think it's a 64bit bug |
| 19:12.29 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:12.40 | starseeker | won't see that here then |
| 19:13.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: you could submit a patch to the FOP guys |
| 19:13.32 | ``Erik | nifty, make -j8 gives me this in the docbook stuff: 2009-04-21 15:12:15.997 java[7593] CFLog (0): CFMessagePort: bootstrap_register(): failed 1103 (0x44f), port = 0x15803, name = 'java.ServiceProvider' |
| 19:13.48 | starseeker | what the... |
| 19:13.48 | ``Erik | submit an effin' patch upside their effin' heads *cough* |
| 19:13.49 | brlcad | shudders in horror at the get_dbip command |
| 19:15.17 | starseeker | is viewedge.c the rtedge logic? |
| 19:15.28 | ``Erik | yes |
| 19:15.32 | starseeker | k |
| 19:15.52 | starseeker | mumble mumble weird src/rt build setup... |
| 19:16.04 | ``Erik | it could use some serious rewriting, the algo is a bit clumsy |
| 19:16.25 | brlcad | the rt apps are actually rather nice, just not organized clearly source-wise |
| 19:16.49 | brlcad | there's a front-end that they all use, then they implement view hooks (rtuif) |
| 19:17.06 | brlcad | there's a tutorial from 2002 that explains |
| 19:18.14 | brlcad | aaaand, there's the bug bob .. |
| 19:18.21 | brlcad | ged_dbip must die |
| 19:20.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34276 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/dbip.c: oh my gawd, this code needs to die. |
| 19:28.19 | brlcad | wonders if that made the last release... |
| 19:30.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34277 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/dbip.c: |
| 19:30.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: this is actually in contention for worst hack to date. fix the underlying bug |
| 19:30.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: where a pointer is getting serialized to a string (seriously?!), but it was |
| 19:30.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: getting truncated to 32-bits (causing a crash on 64-bit platforms). change the |
| 19:30.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: casting and go through void to quell warnings. this routine should not exist. |
| 19:31.04 | ``Erik | diffs as morbid curiosity takes over |
| 19:32.24 | brlcad | the fact that it's an mged command whose sole purpose is to return the address of the currently open database instance pointer.. is . just . wrong |
| 19:33.27 | ``Erik | should we all run into his office and point fingers at him with angry scowls? |
| 19:33.51 | brlcad | that's as bad as a hack I did in bz several years ago, serializing one of our singletons into our runtime key/value database in order to avoid using a global |
| 19:34.07 | ``Erik | ya damn 2-bit hacks :D |
| 19:34.10 | brlcad | no, there's code to be written and more important things to be done :P |
| 19:34.57 | brlcad | that code isn't even necessarily something he wrote, it's been there a while, just was refactored into libged |
| 19:35.14 | ``Erik | but but but... pointing fingers... scowling...! |
| 19:35.18 | brlcad | and changed then, which introduced the bug .. but the serialization was still there |
| 19:35.57 | brlcad | if you want to do something effective, make get_dbip go away :P |
| 19:36.02 | ``Erik | would still be interested in seeing what a 64b machien does when main immediately allocates and fills 4g of ram to see if we really are 64b clean |
| 19:36.17 | ``Erik | I'm kinda more thinking about making isst's "cut" work |
| 19:36.42 | ``Erik | that might fit ed's view of effective a bit better :D |
| 19:37.29 | brlcad | starseeker: nice, now I can see the boxes :) |
| 19:37.41 | brlcad | even the box exposes some issues apparently |
| 19:37.55 | brlcad | submm vs 1000m and the divergence warnings, for example |
| 19:37.57 | starseeker | seems to, unless I just went too wonky on the dimensions |
| 19:38.03 | starseeker | ah, yes |
| 19:38.29 | brlcad | is the importer making regions and assigning red or are you doing that? |
| 19:44.02 | starseeker | the importer is |
| 19:47.56 | ``Erik | hey, brlcad, recall how big our CVS was when we migrated to svn? |
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| 20:06.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34278 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (adrt.h slave/slave.c): use macro instead of magic shift value |
| 20:30.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34279 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: |
| 20:30.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: credit peter stiller for his contributions on BRL-CAD helping sort out curvature |
| 20:30.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: calculations for implicitly defined surfaces (was a visiting prof to brl, circa |
| 20:30.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 1987-1988 according to ed davisson). ed says he was a nice guy. |
| 20:30.59 | brlcad | ``Erik: details on the iwki |
| 20:37.26 | brlcad | find it? |
| 20:40.32 | brlcad | ugh, dammit.. there's another pointer getting serialized |
| 20:40.48 | brlcad | an fbp |
| 20:45.49 | brlcad | wow, this one is old |
| 20:45.54 | brlcad | Modified Wed Jan 28 16:01:12 1998 UTC (11 years, 2 months ago) |
| 20:46.02 | brlcad | shakes fist |
| 20:51.57 | ``Erik | oh, didn't look, need had already passed |
| 20:52.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34280 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/attach.c: yet another fugly serialization that should not exist. the fbp is also getting truncated here on 64-bit platforms causing a 'mini crash' when the window is closed. needs to be refactored into oblivion. |
| 20:56.45 | ``Erik | um, ok, megatron O.o |
| 21:08.59 | brlcad | ``Erik: you remember what name I gave the new server? |
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| 21:49.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34281 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/attach.c: meh, eliminate mged_fb_close() since it's only used in one place |
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| 22:12.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34282 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_X24.c: ws indent |
| 22:17.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34283 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/ (fb_generic.c tcl.c): |
| 22:17.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: refactor fb_close_existing() out of fb_cmd_close_existing() so that it will |
| 22:17.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: close a given fbp without needing to serialize/deserialize a pointer to a |
| 22:17.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: string. this is (still) horribly divergent from libfb's callback interface but |
| 22:17.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: none of the fb-specific *_close_existing() calls are stored in their interface |
| 22:17.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: FBIO object. |
| 22:21.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34284 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/fb.h src/mged/attach.c): |
| 22:21.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: make release() call fb_close_existing() instead of serializing the fbp pointer |
| 22:21.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: to a string and going through the tcl interpreter just so we can call the |
| 22:21.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: fb_close_existing proc with that address, deserialize, then free. declare |
| 22:21.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: fb_close_existing(). avoid the fugly. |
| 22:24.36 | brlcad | madant_: someone cheering on libpc on /., hurry up! :) |
| 22:25.33 | madant_ | huh :O :D where |
| 22:39.59 | madant_ | ah found it :) |
| 22:40.13 | madant_ | via google of all things :D |
| 22:43.42 | madant_ | hahaha .. canada : 1.31 gsoc projects per million :D |
| 22:51.14 | ``Erik | yay for hail |
| 22:51.42 | Ralith | hail's neat |
| 22:52.53 | ``Erik | not when it's tearing up your house and car :D |
| 22:53.02 | ``Erik | and it's over |
| 22:53.22 | madant_ | and a gsoc project with no coding :O http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/google/t124022446589 |
| 22:53.55 | ``Erik | 15 degrees and 2cm chunks of ice falling from the sky O.o :D |
| 22:54.19 | Ralith | ``Erik: that sounds problematic |
| 22:57.03 | ``Erik | not for me, I got home and inside a couple minutes before it started |
| 22:57.10 | ``Erik | and my car is still in a shop, not outside :D |
| 22:58.16 | Ralith | yay! |
| 23:59.20 | ``Erik | *nomnomnom* |
| 00:04.27 | poolio | alloo all |
| 00:06.17 | ``Erik | oi, hoolio, 'sup? |
| 00:54.12 | poolio | Data analysis galore :\ |
| 00:54.20 | poolio | How bout yoself? |
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| 08:39.38 | mafm | hi |
| 08:49.13 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
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| 13:04.52 | ``Erik | takes a moment to totally rock out O.o |
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| 14:35.01 | andrecastelo | morning guys |
| 14:35.27 | ``Erik | oi |
| 14:35.38 | ``Erik | http://www.redhat.com/about/where-is-open-source/activity/ neat |
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| 14:59.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r34285 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/samples/rt.java: Added "-b" option to run a single ray |
| 15:01.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r34286 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/geometry/Partition.java: Improved boolean evaluation a bit |
| 15:02.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r34287 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/geometry/SimpleOverlapHandler.java: Corrected normal flipping in overlap handler |
| 15:03.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r34288 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Hit now has a field for the name of the primitive that was hit |
| 15:04.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r34289 10/jbrlcad/trunk/test/org/brlcad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Minor mods to account for new primitive name field in the HIt class |
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| 16:30.15 | brlcad | howdy joe |
| 16:30.34 | jdoliner | hello |
| 17:37.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34290 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/adrt/Makefile.am src/adrt/misc/): Remove src/adrt/misc. |
| 17:49.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34291 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/deprecation.txt: document a few wdb routines that were obsoleted in 7.12.2 (deprecated prior to 7.0) |
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| 18:33.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34293 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: |
| 18:33.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Add a (commented out) routine in the wireframe plotting of breps that will do a |
| 18:33.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: simple walk of the uv parameter space for each surface in the brep and make a |
| 18:33.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: (crude) wireframe of the untrimmed surfaces. Not useful for much at this point |
| 18:33.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: except seeing in 3d where untrimmed surfaces are living. |
| 19:17.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34294 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Tweaking the brep surface drawing rouine - will need to implement proper tesselation as next step to get reasonable wireframes. |
| 19:19.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34295 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/breplicator.cpp: add another test face |
| 19:34.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34296 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: prevent debug printing I/O from killing performance. Only print out 100 reasons before going quiet. |
| 19:43.31 | brlcad | starseeker: another relatively simple test case: http://brlcad.org/tmp/brep_pinch.g |
| 19:44.43 | brlcad | interesting because you can hit three surfaces with one ray four times |
| 19:48.35 | ``Erik | tries to find a good hiding spot from brlcad O.o |
| 19:48.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34297 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: hack to prevent java "dock bounce" on osX when fop is called. |
| 19:53.22 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:53.48 | ``Erik | couldn't think of a better way to set FOP_OPTS from auto* :/ |
| 19:57.33 | brlcad | meh, it works for me .. I don't usually have fop |
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| 20:07.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1434 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: bowman is indianlarry |
| 20:15.55 | jdoliner | is bowman ever on? |
| 20:16.10 | brlcad | ~seen indianlarry |
| 20:16.14 | ibot | i haven't seen 'indianlarry', brlcad |
| 20:16.27 | brlcad | he's been on irc a couple time iirc, but not hardly at all |
| 20:16.47 | brlcad | more accessible via the mailing list |
| 20:18.58 | jdoliner | groovy |
| 20:36.12 | brlcad | jdoliner: not to worry -- there's still plenty of folks here for interactive |
| 20:36.48 | brlcad | though you should send status updates to your wiki page so he can follow you and/or to the mailing list |
| 20:36.54 | brlcad | passive is usually more effective |
| 20:37.41 | brlcad | what pacman87 did last year is a good example where there's a daily mini-log: http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Pacman87 |
| 20:46.27 | pacman87_ | trailed off at the end, though |
| 21:48.10 | starseeker | eyes opensg and wonders if their tesselation code is the same code used for http://cg.cs.uni-bonn.de/aigaion2root/attachments/balazs-2004-efficient.pdf |
| 21:49.23 | starseeker | maybe easier to ask... |
| 21:55.51 | starseeker | brlcad: does the old nurbs code have routines for converting from nurb curve to bezier curve? |
| 21:56.48 | starseeker | nevermind, found it |
| 21:59.10 | starseeker | wonders if he can just take the old nurbs_tess and port it to opennurbs data structures... |
| 21:59.14 | starseeker | hmm... |
| 21:59.55 | starseeker | uh oh - "This is a temporary guess until legitimate code can be found" |
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| 23:36.21 | branco | hello |
| 23:39.45 | branco | i was going through some example files through archer on version 7.14.6 without installing blender to /usr/brlcad , only after make on ubuntu and i have a weird error : it sais unsupported display manager ogl ; I didn't try installing the software but even so it's kind of wierd to have an error like this |
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| 00:38.42 | brlcad | branco: without installing blender? :) |
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| 01:01.40 | brlcad | thinks you maybe meant brl-cad.. what is the exact error? the ogl interface is disabled by default via configure, though you "shouldn't" need it |
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| 04:20.17 | starseeker | archer needs the ogl interface as of latest trunk, iirc |
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| 08:47.29 | downstream | morning |
| 08:47.56 | downstream | currently trying to build 7.14.6 on mac os x |
| 08:48.24 | downstream | fails at libTkhtml3.0.dylib |
| 08:48.30 | downstream | missing symbols: |
| 08:48.44 | downstream | ld: Undefined symbols: |
| 08:48.44 | downstream | _XCopyArea |
| 08:48.45 | downstream | _XFillPolygon |
| 08:48.45 | downstream | _XFillRectangle |
| 08:48.45 | downstream | _XGetImage |
| 08:49.05 | downstream | sounds like it needs -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 |
| 08:49.31 | downstream | wonder why it builds on linux, though ;) |
| 09:19.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34300 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/brlcad.def: access to bu logging |
| 09:26.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34301 10/rt^3/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:26.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: access to libbu's log messaging system |
| 09:26.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the default is no log messages at all |
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| 10:46.30 | d-lo | mornin all |
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| 11:30.39 | brlcad | downstream: that's libXi, missing a -lXi |
| 11:31.20 | brlcad | er, never mind, you're right -- that is -lX11 |
| 11:33.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34302 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/CMakeLists.txt: |
| 11:33.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bring the core's C++ interface to live by integrating it into the brlcad.dll |
| 11:33.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the raises a question about giving version numbers to rt^3 or integrating the affected parts into the brlcad branch |
| 11:36.54 | downstream | brlcad: :) |
| 11:37.23 | downstream | why does that -l only get missed on darwin? |
| 11:37.36 | downstream | (assuming that tarball actually builds on linux) |
| 11:39.18 | downstream | should i just add it to LDFLAGS globally? or better hack the Makefile.in? |
| 11:40.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34303 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: include the logging example snippet in the header with a comment about stderr/stdout possibly changing. |
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| 11:45.01 | ``Erik | should work fine on osX :/ |
| 11:52.52 | brlcad | downstream: without any more information, I'd assume it's some probably with automake and configure -- did you run autogen.sh? |
| 11:53.52 | brlcad | the X11 tests that are put into configure are dependent on the version of automake that was available with autogen.sh was first run so if you have a source tarball, it may be someone else's automake/autoconf |
| 11:54.01 | brlcad | unless you rerun autogen.sh again |
| 13:07.24 | ``Erik | huh, soleil moon-frye got pretty hot O.o |
| 13:13.14 | downstream | brlcad: nope, only ./configure |
| 13:13.55 | downstream | i'll try redoing the autoconf/automake dance |
| 13:51.04 | brlcad | downstream: you just have to run ./autogen.sh |
| 13:51.06 | brlcad | no dance |
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| 15:22.58 | downstream | brlcad: same result, after autogen.sh & configure |
| 15:23.15 | downstream | the -I's are there, the -L/-l is not |
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| 19:53.40 | starseeker | is intrigued by cscope |
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| 19:54.01 | miqlas | Hello! |
| 19:54.11 | starseeker | howd |
| 19:54.36 | miqlas | The http://brlcad.org/wiki/Building_from_SVN page contains some interresting links: |
| 19:54.38 | miqlas | <a href=http://www.titizilaclama.com/ title=ilaçlama >Ilaçlama</a> <a href=http://www.etkinilaclama.net title=Haºere ilaçlama> Haºere ilaçlama</a> <a href=http://www.cozumilaclama.net title=böcek ilaçlama> Böcek ilaçlama</a> <a href=http://www.pire.biz title=pire>pire</a> <a title=joomla href=http://www.sanaldev.net/indir/joomla> joomla tema</a> |
| 19:54.45 | miqlas | Please, remove this... |
| 19:54.58 | starseeker | hmm, musta been spammed... |
| 19:55.00 | starseeker | checks |
| 19:56.39 | miqlas | Thanks. |
| 19:57.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03128.63.32.5 07http://brlcad.org * r1435 10/wiki/Building_from_SVN: Undo revision 1285 by [[Special:Contributions/78.183.51.7|78.183.51.7]] ([[User talk:78.183.51.7|Talk]]) |
| 19:58.38 | starseeker | thanks for pointing it out |
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| 20:08.34 | miqlas | Hello. |
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| 20:15.06 | miqlas | X server required for running BRL-CAD? |
| 20:18.27 | starseeker | not on windows - on mac and Linux yes |
| 20:22.35 | miqlas | I try to build BRL-CAD on Haiku. |
| 20:24.06 | starseeker | uh. Yeah, you will almost certainly need X |
| 20:24.30 | starseeker | doesn't know about the status of things like Tcl/Tk and OGL on Haiku |
| 20:24.48 | miqlas | We have Tk, but no Tcl :( |
| 20:25.11 | miqlas | I can't build it :( |
| 20:25.40 | starseeker | blinks |
| 20:25.49 | starseeker | I didn't know you could build Tk without Tcl |
| 20:26.16 | miqlas | Oh, maybe i mistyped then. |
| 20:26.26 | miqlas | I check... |
| 20:27.19 | miqlas | Yes, Sou have right, i mistyped, we have Tcl, but no Tk. |
| 20:28.31 | miqlas | *You* |
| 20:37.09 | ``Erik | darn, I was about to be seriously impressed :D |
| 20:56.14 | brlcad | strictly speaking, X11 isn't required even for mac/linux, you just won't get gui mged |
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| 22:04.10 | brlcad | miqlas: do you know jorge? |
| 22:04.33 | miqlas | Jorge G. Mare? |
| 22:04.37 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:04.45 | brlcad | takes that as a "yes" :) |
| 22:04.50 | miqlas | Yes, sometimes i meet with her on the Haiku IRC. |
| 22:05.13 | miqlas | i understand this word: "yep". No problem. |
| 22:05.31 | miqlas | His nickname is koki |
| 22:06.16 | miqlas | You know him? |
| 22:07.35 | brlcad | usually kokito, no? |
| 22:07.54 | brlcad | and I mean you saying his full name was a "yes" |
| 22:08.19 | miqlas | koki or kokito, i thin it is the same. But he use the koki name on the official Haiku webpage: http://www.haiku-os.org/user/koki |
| 22:08.21 | brlcad | I've only interacted with him and urias on a few occasions, so no I wouldn't say I know him |
| 22:08.39 | brlcad | yeah, just happens to be kokito on irc iirc |
| 22:09.07 | brlcad | loves haiku, loved beos, wants it to be better |
| 22:09.14 | miqlas | Urias McCullough, ummcullough is a good person too. |
| 22:09.32 | miqlas | brlcad want it with BRL-CAD :) |
| 22:09.33 | brlcad | met a few of the other developers at the gsoc summits |
| 22:09.45 | miqlas | Ah, okay, i understand. |
| 22:10.18 | brlcad | I think brl-cad would be awesome on haiku :) |
| 22:11.12 | miqlas | But! It need an easy to use, and Haiku native user interface, i think. But yes, first we will happy for an dirty port too |
| 22:11.13 | brlcad | just need someone to port qt over for the new gui! |
| 22:11.51 | miqlas | I hope somebody take up the tk and qt, and port it well for Haiku. |
| 22:12.19 | brlcad | tk should be pretty easy |
| 22:12.27 | brlcad | it used to have beos support, just a lot of updates |
| 22:13.10 | miqlas | Maybe we will have it: http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/activity/qt-beos |
| 22:15.14 | brlcad | I've wanted to work on porting apps to haiku .. |
| 22:15.27 | miqlas | I don't say no :) |
| 22:15.28 | brlcad | i usually try about once or twice a year to get something going |
| 22:15.45 | brlcad | have been following for five years or so |
| 22:15.59 | miqlas | But i don't think i can help to You. I know only configure & make & make install. |
| 22:16.13 | miqlas | And we don't need "-lm" for Haiku. :) |
| 22:16.20 | brlcad | but every time I get bogged down in bugs and crashes, then exhaust all my time fixing those bugs with the devs :) |
| 22:17.00 | brlcad | it's not until very recently that it's actually been practical and easy to compile within haiku itself |
| 22:17.32 | miqlas | Yes, i understand. But hey! You don't need wait so long, we almost have an alpha system. There is the roadmap for it... |
| 22:17.42 | miqlas | This is very close now. |
| 22:18.27 | brlcad | nods |
| 22:18.36 | brlcad | they were very close last year too, and I found a half-dozen bugs for them :) |
| 22:19.02 | miqlas | Remember, we talking about a pre-alpha os.... |
| 22:19.15 | brlcad | yep, all in good fun |
| 22:19.32 | miqlas | Please, forgive it to the Haiku. It will better and better every day. |
| 22:19.39 | brlcad | like I said, I dug in and helped fix them too |
| 22:20.26 | brlcad | at some point, I'll do an install, open up a terminal and have gcc at my disposal with a functional networking stack and I'll be able to really get started on a porting effort ;) |
| 22:21.11 | ``Erik | cranks up emacs and lisps out with his parens out |
| 22:21.34 | miqlas | :) |
| 22:22.14 | miqlas | This will be my diplom work, if You interrested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkGzC167GdM |
| 22:22.39 | miqlas | Sorry for the video quality. This is not the final product. |
| 22:23.57 | ``Erik | are ya gonna manufacturer one? |
| 22:24.07 | miqlas | not yet. |
| 22:24.26 | miqlas | But may the university make a sample. |
| 22:25.30 | ``Erik | nice http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1908328 |
| 22:26.19 | brlcad | miqlas: that's pretty cool |
| 22:26.29 | miqlas | Thanks, brlcad :) |
| 22:26.47 | brlcad | wants someone to model a stirling engine in brl-cad as a test case for the constraint solving system |
| 22:27.29 | brlcad | miqlas: willing to open-source your model? :) |
| 22:27.37 | miqlas | Sorry, i don't have time now for learning BRL-CAD :( |
| 22:27.56 | brlcad | would be a good brep test case too |
| 22:27.59 | miqlas | My diplom work will be published under CC. |
| 22:28.12 | brlcad | which CC? |
| 22:28.25 | brlcad | cc-by? |
| 22:28.57 | miqlas | Creative Commons, Noncommercial-Share Alike |
| 22:29.15 | brlcad | ah, darn |
| 22:29.31 | miqlas | I think it is good for diplom work. And if somebody need it, he can make derivates. |
| 22:29.42 | miqlas | brlcad, it is not good for You? |
| 22:29.46 | brlcad | yeah, just cc-by-nc isn't lgpl compatible due to the nc clause |
| 22:30.24 | miqlas | But i don't like to see my teacher sell my work in his book. |
| 22:30.26 | brlcad | it's an okay license, just problematic for bundling it with brl-cad directly |
| 22:31.38 | miqlas | Ah, but i think You don't need thousand s page hungarian language text... Then i can make an anoither package, only the CAD (may without parametric things) with lgpl compatible license. |
| 22:32.14 | miqlas | Or not? I don't know lot of things about it.. |
| 22:32.21 | brlcad | yeah, I don't care about your thesis so much (no offense, of course) :) |
| 22:32.39 | brlcad | you can do whatever you want with it assuming you hold the copyright |
| 22:32.45 | miqlas | You need parametric or non-parametric model? |
| 22:32.46 | ``Erik | hard to get into a thesis when ya don't speak the language :D |
| 22:33.04 | miqlas | :) |
| 22:33.05 | ``Erik | (often hard to get into a thesis when you DO speak the language O.o) |
| 22:33.33 | brlcad | miqlas: ideally the original files, whatever those are, and then exports in a few formats (parametric and non-parametric) like step, iges, and dxf exports |
| 22:34.37 | brlcad | looks like you probably have sldprt,sldasm files |
| 22:34.53 | miqlas | The Hungarian is an very beautifoul language, i think : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGaRnVTLK4Q |
| 22:35.18 | miqlas | And we have muuuuuch lot of bad words than the english or german. |
| 22:35.49 | archivist | miqlas, was that being rotated or does soliworks 2009 do gases and pressure as well now /me is at 2004 |
| 22:36.06 | miqlas | If You like the traditional musis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXhLbq-3uNU (this is the last link, and i don't post more, You can beluive to me :) |
| 22:36.34 | brlcad | miqlas: feel free to expand my list then! .. https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt |
| 22:36.54 | brlcad | hungarian is rather under-represented |
| 22:37.22 | Ralith | lol |
| 22:37.34 | miqlas | archivist: , i added an virtual motor like thingie, but in the real life it works by thermal Stirling-cycle. (Isotherm expansion->Isochoric displacement->Isothermal compression->Isochoric displacement) |
| 22:37.57 | archivist | heh I used to know turkish and arabic swear words mid 1960's |
| 22:39.03 | archivist | miqlas, I know how they work :) have done pressure diagrams for steam engine (turbo pascal) |
| 22:39.39 | miqlas | Realy? Oh... I have excel table for it :) |
| 22:40.32 | archivist | modelling a steam engine expansion governor was fun |
| 22:41.35 | miqlas | :) |
| 22:42.14 | miqlas | My stirling-engine video is very old, i almost redesigned now in CATIA V5 (brlcad, the CATIA format will good for You?). |
| 22:43.06 | archivist | http://www.archivist.plus.com/website/tour/dynamo.html that engine but the code is circa win95 , cant run it now :( |
| 22:43.46 | brlcad | miqlas: hm, catia is probably the hardest to work with (but exports from there are fine: step, iges, etc) |
| 22:44.17 | miqlas | Okay, the i will give the modell for You in independent format. |
| 22:44.45 | miqlas | This is my CAxx album, but sorry, there is not all of my work (sometimes i can't put it to here): http://boly.hu/~miqlas/galeria/index.php?album=g-p-szet |
| 22:44.49 | brlcad | awesome |
| 22:45.58 | brlcad | that solidedge gear is pretty cool |
| 22:46.24 | miqlas | brlcad, here is my email address: miqlas(_____at_____)gmail(_dot_)com , feel free to contact me. |
| 22:47.14 | miqlas | brlcad: SEv10 is useless. It is an crap. But i was need use this version, because the university was have only this. I don't like remember for that. |
| 22:47.27 | miqlas | I have video about that gearbox, if You want see it. |
| 22:48.19 | brlcad | nah, the model itself is what is most interesting :) |
| 22:50.02 | miqlas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYGRiRTyYV0 |
| 22:50.38 | miqlas | My Quadro FX 4000 was don't have enough power for it... |
| 22:51.35 | miqlas | brlcad, if You want i can provide the SolidEdge assembly for You. |
| 22:52.00 | archivist | does solidedge have gear mates? |
| 22:52.14 | miqlas | I don't know. I hate the SE. |
| 22:52.35 | miqlas | I was need to use it, but i hate all of the SE products. May, or may not have. |
| 22:52.44 | archivist | ok |
| 22:53.49 | miqlas | brlcad, do You need the assembly. I can give it to You under GPL. |
| 22:54.51 | miqlas | CATIA, SolidWorks is the best, i think (but not for anything). But for me the most interresthin thing is the FEA. |
| 22:55.28 | ``Erik | "Jamie Hyneman Is A Douchebag" http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1908740 yeesh, what a cockbite |
| 22:56.16 | miqlas | But i have the gearbox only in SEv10 academoc format... |
| 22:56.40 | miqlas | On the next week i can convert it to step for You. |
| 23:03.33 | miqlas | In the last semester i have "CAD-technics" subject. And what we learn? Yes, AutoCAD. Bah! I use it more than 8 years long... But we use it ...SURPRISE.. with commands. not with icons. Oh my God!... I hate this subject, because i can use AutoCad very well, and i need draw lot of small drawings, because my teacher don't belive to me.. :S |
| 23:45.09 | Ralith | commands? |
| 00:09.27 | brlcad | miqlas: does the SE assembly include all of that geometry? |
| 00:09.46 | miqlas | yes, it include all of them |
| 00:09.55 | brlcad | and how about LGPL? |
| 00:10.02 | miqlas | Ralith: with commands. Typing with keyboard... |
| 00:10.05 | brlcad | or BSD/MIT |
| 00:10.49 | Ralith | miqlas: what's wrong with that? |
| 00:10.57 | brlcad | or CC-BY or CC-BY-SA |
| 00:11.01 | Ralith | done right, that kind of interface can be a big improvement on a GUI |
| 00:11.10 | miqlas | brlcad : it was an complex work, and if it will good for BRL-CAD You can use it for free, and with any licenses. You can select the best for You. |
| 00:11.29 | brlcad | miqlas: I can't select a license unless you public domain it |
| 00:11.34 | brlcad | and I dont' think you should do that |
| 00:11.50 | miqlas | Ralith : what is wrong? nothing, but i don't want make it. :S |
| 00:12.12 | Ralith | :P |
| 00:12.13 | brlcad | I care mostly about you getting attribution for the work |
| 00:12.32 | miqlas | Okay, you can make anything with it. This is belong to the community. MIT, okay? |
| 00:12.34 | Ralith | brlcad: I think he means he'll use what you suggest. |
| 00:12.35 | brlcad | beyond that, I don't mind -- gpl is just problematic because of how it defines a collective work |
| 00:12.51 | brlcad | miqlas: sure, that works great |
| 00:13.12 | miqlas | Then okay. :D |
| 00:13.21 | brlcad | that website repository could come in handy right now :) |
| 00:13.27 | brlcad | where is elena? :) |
| 00:13.58 | miqlas | Now it have CC license in the package. I need delete the license, or You belive to me, i give it to community with MIT? |
| 00:14.15 | brlcad | (not a serious question, she's on the road visiting family right now) |
| 00:14.16 | miqlas | And wich format You want? SEv10 academic, or independent? |
| 00:14.35 | brlcad | miqlas: how big is it? |
| 00:14.44 | miqlas | 14 Mb. |
| 00:15.52 | brlcad | mm, if you e-mail that to me saying you are sharing it under the MIT license and I can replace the CC license with the MIT license, I can do the work |
| 00:16.23 | brlcad | otherwise, you can add a text file with it or something that has a statement |
| 00:16.29 | brlcad | a README or something |
| 00:16.44 | miqlas | Then native Sev10 (academic!! You can't open it in industrial version!) format will be good for You? |
| 00:17.07 | brlcad | hm, lemme check on that |
| 00:17.08 | brlcad | not sure |
| 00:17.35 | miqlas | I can convert with academic version for You to step, or anything else format |
| 00:18.30 | brlcad | oh yeah, then please do -- the SE format itself isn't useful |
| 00:18.37 | brlcad | I was just going to export as well |
| 00:18.49 | brlcad | 3ds, step, iges, dxf |
| 00:18.55 | brlcad | all useful/interesting formats |
| 00:19.04 | miqlas | Okay. But here is now 02:18am, and i don't have SE installed. I will send it for You at morning. Okay? |
| 00:19.06 | brlcad | Hmmm.... http://www.sharewareconnection.com/3ds-export-for-solid-edge.htm |
| 00:19.12 | miqlas | Are You always onine on IRC? |
| 00:19.20 | brlcad | miqlas: okay, no rush and thank you! |
| 00:19.25 | brlcad | yeah, I'm always on irc |
| 00:19.34 | brlcad | if I don't immediately respond, I eventually will |
| 00:19.38 | miqlas | Feel free to give a beer:) |
| 00:19.50 | brlcad | will certainly! |
| 00:19.59 | brlcad | hope to have the opportunity to some day :) |
| 00:20.23 | miqlas | ;) |
| 00:20.28 | brlcad | good grief.. 200 bucks for a shareware 3ds exporter, heh |
| 00:20.50 | brlcad | especially given they're probably using openNURBS which did half the work for them |
| 00:21.26 | miqlas | :) good marketing. |
| 00:23.03 | miqlas | But brlcad you need make something for the cad assembly... |
| 00:23.55 | brlcad | hm? |
| 00:24.21 | miqlas | Please, make the BRL-CAD to very portable app. We, at in the Haiku commiunity don't like if an app have very special requiments. For example not portable libraryes, flash, or any bloated things. |
| 00:25.03 | brlcad | miqlas: we have historically been one of the most portable pieces of software out there -- you end up being very portable after 25 years of development |
| 00:25.06 | miqlas | Please, make the BRL-CAD very nice, and usable, without readin 500 page. |
| 00:25.46 | brlcad | like I said, we should work now on haiku, at least 99% of our codebase should work just fine |
| 00:26.01 | brlcad | the latter takes a long time |
| 00:26.30 | miqlas | I like to see more app on Haiku platform, to make it usable for wide userbase, and we need good, stable, and lightweight apps. I know, the BRL-CAD is a "monster", but i hope on someday it will work correctly with Haiku. |
| 00:27.12 | brlcad | miqlas: think of it more like 400 lightweight apps, that is how it is designed |
| 00:27.12 | Ralith | BRL-CAD is a highly portable monster. |
| 00:28.06 | brlcad | miqlas: the fact that we put them all together is more for distribution convenience, but brl-cad really is a collection of a LOT of applications .. not just one 'monster' application |
| 00:28.17 | miqlas | I read the comments of the mplayer guys, and an developer told: The BeOS and Haiku is a C++ crap, and he don't want support it. Please, never tell anything like this. Lot of people working on this project for free, and i like this os. |
| 00:28.47 | brlcad | heh, not likely |
| 00:28.58 | brlcad | i'm an old-time beos fan, big fan |
| 00:29.10 | miqlas | Then if You don't tell Haiku will never be supported, You can get the assembly for free, with MIT. Thanks. |
| 00:29.12 | brlcad | seeing it survive in any form is a 'good thing' |
| 00:29.46 | brlcad | used to run beos as his primary desktop back in the day |
| 00:29.53 | brlcad | for the little while it lasted |
| 00:29.58 | Ralith | brlcad: what attracts you to it? |
| 00:30.07 | brlcad | Ralith: ooof! |
| 00:30.11 | brlcad | what didn't! |
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| 00:30.21 | miqlas | brlcad, the BRL-CAD was running on BeOS? |
| 00:31.21 | miqlas | Ralith : you can check it with Your own eyes, download the image, and write it to Your flashdrive (500 mb is enough) and boot it. It is very cool. |
| 00:31.42 | brlcad | an OS designed from the ground up ditching most of the baggage we have today, geared for absurdly high performance, insane interactivity, impressive filesystem, multithreading dream |
| 00:31.50 | Ralith | miqlas: don't have that much time atm, and I'd be surprised if it supported my hardware. |
| 00:32.06 | Ralith | brlcad: sounds cool. Insane interactivity? |
| 00:32.09 | brlcad | miqlas: haiku is getting there, but still not yet nearly as impressive as beos was during r5 |
| 00:32.14 | ``Erik | fully threaded micro? |
| 00:32.51 | miqlas | Haiku: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccniJHjo_Uw and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7vM1Gc6_po |
| 00:33.05 | miqlas | Fully threaded, and it use microkernel. |
| 00:33.06 | brlcad | Ralith: no matter what you were doing, the system stayed responsive .. nay a hiccup |
| 00:33.10 | Ralith | oo |
| 00:33.11 | Ralith | cool! |
| 00:33.13 | brlcad | like playing a half-dozen movies |
| 00:33.17 | brlcad | all simultaneously |
| 00:33.24 | Ralith | and haiku is a reimpl? |
| 00:33.27 | brlcad | rendered to the faces of a spinning cube |
| 00:33.34 | brlcad | while playing music |
| 00:33.34 | Ralith | wow, way back then? |
| 00:33.38 | Ralith | jesus |
| 00:33.44 | brlcad | and on an all pentium 200 |
| 00:33.45 | Ralith | how did that manage to fail |
| 00:33.49 | brlcad | s/all/old/ |
| 00:33.57 | brlcad | marketing and microsoft |
| 00:34.01 | ``Erik | toyed with haiku, never tried be itself, though |
| 00:34.13 | miqlas | BeOS (mother of Haiku) was closed source. |
| 00:34.22 | ``Erik | bebox was a neat machine |
| 00:34.36 | ``Erik | dual cpu when it was unheard of |
| 00:34.44 | ``Erik | and awesome load LED bars on the front :D |
| 00:34.59 | miqlas | Yes :) |
| 00:35.39 | Ralith | now you've got me interested |
| 00:35.39 | brlcad | haiku is a pretty cool reimplementation, it covers almost all of the original API, included binary compatibility, and has even started to add their own improvements |
| 00:35.41 | Ralith | miqlas: how's the HW support? |
| 00:35.48 | miqlas | BeOS on dual 300Mhz PII: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv6twfh2SgI |
| 00:36.01 | brlcad | that's the only hard part af the moment, they're not fully stable, but there is a 1.0 release coming out soon |
| 00:36.09 | brlcad | hardware is hit or miss |
| 00:36.42 | brlcad | and their performance certainly isn't up to par with beos in most areas, but then they're working mostly on functional first |
| 00:36.42 | miqlas | Ralith : always better and better. It have native sound + OSS, FreeBSD like net_stack |
| 00:36.47 | Ralith | I wish I had reason to believe alternative OSs had a chance :/ |
| 00:36.59 | Ralith | beyond the unixen./ |
| 00:37.06 | brlcad | their API is still pretty much considered to be one of the best-designed APIs ever |
| 00:37.42 | Ralith | wow damn that was a fast bootup |
| 00:37.53 | Ralith | pretty GUI too |
| 00:37.54 | brlcad | all GUI applications were inherintly multithreaded for example |
| 00:37.59 | brlcad | without the dev doing anything really |
| 00:38.14 | miqlas | I have AMD 3000+ Sempron, 1Gb ram, and Haiku boot up under 3-4 seconds. |
| 00:38.14 | brlcad | which kept all apps responsive even under heavy load |
| 00:39.03 | Ralith | wants :( |
| 00:39.07 | miqlas | It can use more core / more CPU. And You can enable/disable them in runtime. |
| 00:39.14 | brlcad | yeah, fast bootups were a beos philosophy -- it was originally almost instantaneous (like less than a second), but even less than 5sec to usable in latter years -- haiku preserves that (woo hoo) |
| 00:39.49 | miqlas | Ralith, if You interrested, go to #haiku chanel, here on the Freenode IRC. |
| 00:40.05 | Ralith | miqlas: is there any interest in ELF support? |
| 00:40.18 | miqlas | Sorry, i don't understand. |
| 00:40.28 | miqlas | Haiku have ELF binaries. |
| 00:40.28 | Ralith | linux binaries |
| 00:40.33 | Ralith | oo |
| 00:40.34 | brlcad | loves the old Be API call.. is_computer_on_fire(); |
| 00:40.38 | Ralith | haha |
| 00:40.39 | Ralith | wassat do |
| 00:40.43 | brlcad | and the other, is_computer_on(); |
| 00:40.49 | miqlas | BeOS have ELF binaries too. |
| 00:41.01 | Ralith | miqlas: cool! Is there Any interest in |
| 00:41.01 | miqlas | is_computer_on() is cool too. |
| 00:41.02 | Ralith | er |
| 00:41.11 | brlcad | it returns the temperature of the motherboard if the computer is on fire :) |
| 00:41.12 | Ralith | is there any interest in a linux ABI layer? |
| 00:41.13 | Ralith | a la freebsd |
| 00:41.20 | Ralith | brlcad: hehe ^^ |
| 00:41.23 | miqlas | What is ABI? |
| 00:41.27 | brlcad | the devs had a fantastic sense of humor |
| 00:41.32 | Ralith | awesome! |
| 00:41.32 | brlcad | application binary interface |
| 00:41.45 | Ralith | miqlas: basically, a layer that'd allow linux binaries to run directly. |
| 00:41.51 | Ralith | FreeBSD has one, and it's handy. |
| 00:42.01 | Ralith | it'd make it much easier for Haiku to pick up new apps., |
| 00:42.03 | brlcad | they're a ways away from that |
| 00:42.05 | Ralith | at least in binary form. |
| 00:42.08 | miqlas | Sorry, Ralith, but i'm not a developer, i can't say anything about it. Ask the Haiku dev-s on #haiku. |
| 00:42.08 | brlcad | it doesn't run X11 |
| 00:42.24 | Ralith | hm. |
| 00:42.26 | brlcad | so many apps would be useless to it anyways |
| 00:42.28 | miqlas | I think it is not a good idea. It will be a monster... |
| 00:42.28 | Ralith | it has its own display stuff, doesn't it? |
| 00:42.42 | brlcad | cept for command-line apps, which are generally easy to port regardless |
| 00:42.58 | brlcad | yeah, sort of like mac os x having a custom display system |
| 00:42.59 | Ralith | I guess a wrapper API might be feasible, but that's getting to be a wine-scale project. |
| 00:43.00 | miqlas | X11 is portable, and we have an old X11, but we don't like the apps, that require X11. |
| 00:43.10 | brlcad | yet being unixy under the hood |
| 00:43.29 | Ralith | miqlas: the problem is, as cool as haiku is, I can't see it ever being of more than academic interest :/ |
| 00:43.38 | Ralith | it's just so hard for an alternative OS to take off |
| 00:43.51 | Ralith | maybe in twenty years when everyone's using inherently portable code... |
| 00:43.52 | brlcad | nah, it's a pretty active project with a lot of momentum |
| 00:44.13 | brlcad | you don't hear about it much only because they're working towards that "first release" |
| 00:44.16 | Ralith | does that mean much, when it comes to wider acceptance, even in the long term? |
| 00:44.23 | miqlas | Ralith: , i know, this is why i want BRL-CAD for Haiku. |
| 00:44.33 | Ralith | miqlas: I suppose niche environments is a good place to start. |
| 00:44.42 | Ralith | make it 'the ultimate CAD platform' and you'd get users. |
| 00:45.15 | ``Erik | the fbsd linuxulator brings its own problem (mostly linux apps being ... well, wrong... improper ELF format, etc) |
| 00:45.24 | brlcad | Ralith: the philosophies of the operating system itself and the APIs make it very appealing to most developers |
| 00:45.33 | Ralith | ``Erik: it usually works, though. Even on big stuff. |
| 00:45.46 | ``Erik | after some fussing to unfuck the binaries, yeah |
| 00:46.04 | brlcad | beos had a pretty substantial developer following, and those devs are still around -- many will gladly jump back on board with the development environment is stable enough to work in |
| 00:46.06 | ``Erik | that i have to do "brandelf -t linux /some/binary" is bad |
| 00:46.11 | Ralith | brlcad: hm, I imagine that'd help, but, well... look at WinAPI vs. unix APIs. Quite a big margin, but windows won out originally, and it's taking ages to win back. |
| 00:46.23 | brlcad | until the 1.0 release, it's a bit of a time drain because you have to wade through other issues |
| 00:46.36 | miqlas | I don'tlike the Linux philosophy, for example there is ProE, but if You have wrong libc, You can't run, there is lot of branches, lot of distros, there is no unified thing. |
| 00:46.44 | Ralith | miqlas: yeah linux has lots of problems |
| 00:46.47 | Ralith | I'm not saying it's good. |
| 00:46.51 | Ralith | but it's successful. |
| 00:46.54 | Ralith | (and an improvement on windows) |
| 00:47.43 | ``Erik | "less bad than windows", aim for the stars, man ;) *duck* |
| 00:47.52 | brlcad | Ralith: it also depends how you determine "won out" .. if you're talking about massive > 50% popularity, sure -- in that regard unix was never really even a contender |
| 00:48.20 | brlcad | old mac os (before os x) was the only real contender, and be os for all of a year |
| 00:48.44 | brlcad | latter being arguable at that |
| 00:48.51 | Ralith | brlcad: well, I can't easily see a fourth unique OS easily making more than 1%. |
| 00:49.09 | ``Erik | you're gonna irk an amiga fan somewhere talkin' like that, brlcad :) |
| 00:49.14 | Ralith | lol |
| 00:49.21 | brlcad | good! |
| 00:49.29 | brlcad | people should be irk'd more about their OS |
| 00:49.46 | brlcad | they waste a lot of our time, more than many of the apps run on them |
| 00:50.29 | Ralith | heh |
| 00:50.44 | miqlas | Guys, what You think about CATIA V6? |
| 00:50.58 | Ralith | In Jan 31, 2009, Haiku obtained a native GCC4 port; this allows modern applications, like Firefox 3, to be built on Haiku. |
| 00:51.01 | Ralith | ooooh. |
| 00:51.02 | ``Erik | windows has set the bar awfully low :( it's not acceptable to have to pop the hood and fiddle with the engine every time you want to drive somewhere, or bust out the multimeter whenever you want to watch tv... but *shrug* |
| 00:51.14 | Ralith | ``Erik: I agree. |
| 00:51.17 | Ralith | but it's where we are. |
| 00:51.24 | brlcad | miqlas: about the same as what I think about a tree stump |
| 00:51.50 | miqlas | What You think about the tree stump? |
| 00:51.52 | brlcad | kind of an open-ended bait question :) |
| 00:51.58 | ``Erik | you... want to build a treehouse on catia? |
| 00:52.00 | brlcad | depends entirely what we're talking about |
| 00:52.23 | miqlas | BRL-CAD is parametric or not? |
| 00:52.42 | brlcad | no, parametric support is being worked on now |
| 00:52.48 | brlcad | ~seen madant |
| 00:52.50 | ibot | madant <n=d@117.196.133.180> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 2d 10h 21m 48s ago, saying: 'so not so much a of NEWs maybe.. '. |
| 00:52.54 | miqlas | Wow! I like the parametric modelling. |
| 00:52.56 | brlcad | by that guy |
| 00:53.42 | brlcad | this is his work planned for this summer: http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Homovulgaris |
| 00:53.53 | miqlas | Is tehere any kinematic solver in BRL-CAD? |
| 00:53.57 | brlcad | (low-level developer speak) |
| 00:54.05 | brlcad | there is a very very basic one |
| 00:54.47 | ``Erik | the joint constraint stuff? |
| 00:54.48 | brlcad | it's a basic forward-kinematic system |
| 00:54.50 | brlcad | yeah |
| 00:57.56 | miqlas | brlcad: thanks for the informations, an Guys thanks for the talk. But now here is 02:57. |
| 00:58.00 | miqlas | I need to sleep. |
| 00:58.03 | Ralith | seeya |
| 00:58.17 | brlcad | cya |
| 00:58.55 | miqlas | brlcad : morning i try to convert the assembly to step,and i send to You. |
| 00:59.24 | brlcad | okay, awesome |
| 00:59.27 | ``Erik | night, miqlas :) |
| 00:59.37 | miqlas | Night for everybody. |
| 01:00.55 | Ralith | damn, haiku looks really cool. |
| 01:01.01 | Ralith | wants to play with it now. |
| 01:01.02 | miqlas | ;D |
| 01:01.10 | Ralith | hmm. |
| 01:01.21 | Ralith | does anyone know if AMD ever made good on their promise to open their hardware docs? |
| 01:01.31 | Ralith | for the video cards |
| 01:01.36 | Ralith | for 3D accel |
| 01:02.08 | miqlas | Ralith: : http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/how_to_install_haiku_to_usb_flash_drive_from_windows |
| 01:02.47 | Ralith | miqlas: I'm not on windows :P |
| 01:02.50 | Ralith | unfortunately. |
| 01:03.24 | Ralith | is there a list of supported hardware out there anywhere? |
| 01:03.31 | ``Erik | grab qemu and set it up with something boring? :) |
| 01:03.45 | Ralith | hehe |
| 01:03.46 | miqlas | sudo dd if=haiku.image of=/dev/sda (SDx is a DEVICE, not a partition!!) |
| 01:03.50 | Ralith | that's not as fun as running it natively |
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| 01:04.05 | Ralith | miqlas: I'd rather not overwrite my system. |
| 01:04.29 | miqlas | Ralith : http://haikuware.com/hardware-database/ |
| 01:06.45 | miqlas | My Haiku desktop: http://mellbimbo.eu/view-d77595203e5fcf31336d52acff527378.html |
| 01:06.46 | ``Erik | huzzah, my ld is brokne |
| 01:06.53 | Ralith | miqlas: can it, theoretically, do 3D accel? |
| 01:07.02 | Ralith | assuming someone writes a driver |
| 01:07.19 | miqlas | There is software and hardware accelerated (Nvidia) OGL. |
| 01:07.37 | miqlas | Software powered by MESA. |
| 01:07.42 | Ralith | ...WHAT |
| 01:07.48 | Ralith | how did they pull that off |
| 01:08.01 | miqlas | Sorry, i don't understand. |
| 01:08.08 | Ralith | how did they get 3D accel on nvidia hw? |
| 01:08.18 | miqlas | It is a magic :) |
| 01:08.25 | Ralith | explainnnnn |
| 01:09.06 | miqlas | MESA software rendering attached to low level nvidia driver, |
| 01:09.12 | Ralith | no I mean |
| 01:09.16 | Ralith | how did they write an nvidia driver |
| 01:09.21 | Ralith | that's undocumented hw |
| 01:09.25 | brlcad | miqlas: heh, cute desktop |
| 01:09.28 | miqlas | Reverse engineering is the answer. |
| 01:09.36 | Ralith | that's some crazy reverse engineering |
| 01:09.42 | Ralith | how many cards does it support? |
| 01:10.23 | miqlas | Another desktop by me: http://mellbimbo.eu/view-f823600c444123689f6a1864e8e812bd.html (old!) |
| 01:10.38 | miqlas | Up to 8600Gt, if i know correctly. |
| 01:11.34 | Ralith | jesus |
| 01:11.40 | Ralith | both my laptop and my desktop would be supported! |
| 01:11.48 | Ralith | I'm totally installing this in dual-boot if I can work out how |
| 01:12.25 | miqlas | Ralith : http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/driver.c <- supported cards. |
| 01:12.30 | Ralith | ty |
| 01:12.40 | Ralith | er |
| 01:12.41 | Ralith | AGP :| |
| 01:12.47 | Ralith | no PCIe? |
| 01:13.58 | brlcad | Ralith: keep in mind .. this is basically "pre-alpha" |
| 01:14.04 | Ralith | brlcad: I know |
| 01:14.18 | Ralith | I'm utterly amazed it has nvidia support |
| 01:14.40 | Ralith | just thinkign about how awesome it'd be to have full accel., |
| 01:14.42 | miqlas | I don't have PCIe, only AGP, but i tested my roomates's computer, it works with PCIe |
| 01:14.47 | Ralith | ooo |
| 01:14.54 | Ralith | :D |
| 01:15.19 | Ralith | any tips on rigging grub up for it? |
| 01:15.40 | miqlas | Ralith: , sorry i don't understand Yopu :( |
| 01:16.00 | Ralith | grub's a bootloader suitable for dualbooting |
| 01:16.24 | miqlas | Yes, but i never tested it with Haiku. I thin it require chainload setting. |
| 01:16.43 | Ralith | any docs you can point me at? |
| 01:16.51 | Ralith | I'm eager to try this, but not so much to make my system unbootable >_> |
| 01:17.07 | Ralith | though I suppose only so much can go wrong if I get the partition resizing right |
| 01:17.23 | miqlas | http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/installing_haiku_to_a_partition_from_linux |
| 01:17.48 | Ralith | perfect! |
| 01:17.49 | Ralith | thanks. |
| 01:18.13 | Ralith | now I just need to find some time to tweak my partition scheme. |
| 01:18.35 | miqlas | This tell, how to build, but You don't need build it, there is precompiled images on the net here: http://haiku-files.org/raw/ |
| 01:19.06 | Ralith | oo, nightlies |
| 01:19.30 | Ralith | brbs for food |
| 01:20.13 | miqlas | Nvidia informations: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/README.html |
| 01:20.42 | miqlas | last updated on June 10, 2008... |
| 01:20.49 | miqlas | Night, Guys! |
| 01:21.09 | miqlas | Ralith : be careful, don't make a brick from Your computer :) |
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| 01:34.20 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 01:45.17 | Ralith | miqlas: so long as it doesn't scramble my nvram or something. |
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| 04:26.03 | starseeker | Ralith: one thing to remember about Haiku - if Gtk/Qt are ported to it cleanly, that gives you a LOT of the better open source programs almost for free. |
| 04:26.23 | Ralith | true. |
| 04:26.34 | starseeker | the difficulty with one "free" OS taking on another is usually the "user experience" is the same |
| 04:26.46 | starseeker | e.g. Gnome/KDE/Windowmaker/etc. on top of X |
| 04:26.53 | Ralith | not so, here. |
| 04:27.07 | starseeker | mm? |
| 04:27.23 | Ralith | er, haiku doesn't use those. |
| 04:27.27 | starseeker | right |
| 04:27.28 | Ralith | unless I'm drastically misled. |
| 04:27.39 | Ralith | plus there's the whole instaboot thing |
| 04:27.45 | starseeker | that's the key - it is potentially a radical improvment in desktop experience |
| 04:27.57 | Ralith | yeah, I think it's really got my attention. |
| 04:28.12 | Ralith | looks like it, infact, does *not* have 3D accel anywhere yet, though. |
| 04:28.26 | Ralith | no surprise, but it'd've been neat |
| 04:28.37 | starseeker | X plus $KERNEL "feels" the same - BeOS gui + massive multithreading is better :-) |
| 04:28.37 | starseeker | ah, right |
| 04:28.47 | starseeker | would not expect 3D accel yet |
| 04:29.19 | starseeker | even on Linux that only works "well" with nvidia drivers |
| 04:29.23 | Ralith | indeed. |
| 04:29.31 | Ralith | though I imagine it won't be long till the AMD docs are implemented. |
| 04:29.38 | starseeker | grins |
| 04:29.40 | Ralith | ? |
| 04:29.46 | starseeker | that will be AWESOME |
| 04:29.54 | Ralith | er, why? |
| 04:29.59 | Ralith | I mean, more hardware support is good and all... |
| 04:30.08 | starseeker | will make his next graphics card purchase an AMD card if they do have proper open drivers |
| 04:30.20 | Ralith | I suppose it is a pretty big first. |
| 04:30.27 | Ralith | it looks like there's an effort to port gallium3d to haiku |
| 04:30.38 | Ralith | so I'm hoping that someone'll port the AMD drivers to that, once they exist |
| 04:30.45 | Ralith | and then the haiku devs won't have to do anything else |
| 04:30.52 | Ralith | they seem to be taking a very pragmatic attitude to hardware support |
| 04:31.01 | starseeker | oh, I should think that'll be a logical (in fact, THE logical) target |
| 04:31.24 | starseeker | the only other candidate is probably opengraphics, if they ever get off the ground |
| 04:31.25 | Ralith | ported OSS for sound, wrapping FreeBSD drivers for wifi and networking... |
| 04:32.06 | Ralith | starseeker: that's their own hardware, isn't it? |
| 04:32.15 | starseeker | which, opengraphics? |
| 04:32.17 | Ralith | yeah |
| 04:32.48 | starseeker | that's these guys: http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php |
| 04:32.55 | Ralith | yeah, I'm looking |
| 04:32.59 | Ralith | looks like hardware to me |
| 04:33.03 | starseeker | yep |
| 04:33.18 | Ralith | that'd be neat but, well, I doubt it'll compare to the big two's products. |
| 04:33.26 | starseeker | won't be up to latest AMD/NVIDIA specs, but a truly open and well supported driver would be Very Nice |
| 04:33.35 | Ralith | indeed. |
| 04:33.43 | Ralith | but only for a subset of uses. |
| 04:33.43 | starseeker | particularly with regards to stability |
| 04:33.47 | starseeker | sure. |
| 04:33.56 | starseeker | but that subset probably includes most desktop level effects |
| 04:34.01 | Ralith | true, true |
| 04:34.03 | starseeker | ala enlightenment bling |
| 04:34.09 | Ralith | enlightenment runs in software :P |
| 04:34.16 | starseeker | for now :-) |
| 04:34.16 | Ralith | at least, last time I checked. |
| 04:34.30 | Ralith | but yes, bling is good. |
| 04:34.32 | starseeker | iirc, he claims to get better performance that way because linux 3d support sucks so bad |
| 04:34.40 | Ralith | heh |
| 04:34.44 | Ralith | actually |
| 04:34.46 | Ralith | I talked with a dev about it |
| 04:34.51 | Ralith | it's not cuz linux 3d support sucks, iirc |
| 04:34.58 | starseeker | oh really? |
| 04:34.59 | Ralith | it's cuz running multiple OpenGL contexts in parallel sucks I think? |
| 04:35.03 | starseeker | ah |
| 04:35.20 | Ralith | cuz all hardware is designed on the assumption that there's only one |
| 04:35.23 | Ralith | even though that's not spec |
| 04:35.46 | starseeker | enter opengraphics - where you can fix the design yourself :-) |
| 04:36.15 | starseeker | has a hope that a working opengraphics design might be (eventually) compressed to be a sort of default "on motherboard" option |
| 04:36.34 | starseeker | vga on steroids or some such |
| 04:36.54 | starseeker | then you can add in the big bad commercial boys for heavy duty 3D accel |
| 04:37.56 | starseeker | interesting statement here: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/help-the-open-graphics-project |
| 04:38.05 | starseeker | has also had thoughts about "fully open" computers |
| 04:39.46 | starseeker | heh - someone should design a computer case as an open cad model |
| 04:40.52 | Ralith | that wouldn't be hard |
| 04:40.59 | starseeker | well, a good one would take some work |
| 04:41.00 | Ralith | especially if you didn't mind how it looked |
| 04:41.09 | starseeker | it must look awesome :-) |
| 04:41.14 | Ralith | aw. |
| 04:41.57 | starseeker | call it... OpenCase ;-) |
| 04:43.44 | starseeker | then you could use an OpenSparc cpu - make an "OpenSparc Inside" sticker :-P |
| 04:44.05 | starseeker | wonders if anyone manufactures those, come to think of it |
| 04:48.29 | starseeker | via has the OpenBook model, but that's for a laptop |
| 04:48.35 | starseeker | also need a desktop |
| 04:50.54 | Ralith | still, pretty good start. |
| 04:51.28 | starseeker | it is |
| 04:51.35 | starseeker | a LOT of pieces needed though |
| 04:51.39 | Ralith | especially considering the corporate backing. |
| 04:51.47 | Ralith | true, but we seem to be on the way... |
| 04:51.59 | starseeker | for a truly open motherboard, for example, would need... |
| 04:52.09 | starseeker | open RAM chips |
| 04:52.16 | starseeker | open CPU socket design |
| 04:52.24 | Ralith | open ICs in general seems like it'd be kind of hard :/ |
| 04:52.47 | Ralith | unless a cascade of openness sweeps across the hardware industry |
| 04:53.51 | starseeker | well you would need at least one of every key part of the system |
| 04:53.59 | starseeker | openhardware has some |
| 04:55.18 | starseeker | even if you had all the designs, the trick would be getting the parts made |
| 04:55.25 | starseeker | the up front costs are huge |
| 04:56.30 | starseeker | maybe someday though - there are still some really good hardware hackers lurking out there |
| 04:56.35 | Ralith | yeah, which is why I don't see it happening unless someone talks the corporations into it. |
| 04:56.39 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:56.44 | Ralith | but that's been done before. |
| 04:56.47 | Ralith | many times. |
| 04:56.56 | Ralith | albeit not inhardware, most cases. |
| 04:56.59 | Ralith | but hey, then there's via! |
| 04:57.31 | starseeker | it would probably need to be someone who needed the component for some non-traditional purpose and was willing to do an open design to get it cheap |
| 04:58.20 | starseeker | if the Haiku guys can eventually get the old BeOS performance on low(er) end hardware, it might help to make a truly open computer viable |
| 04:58.35 | Ralith | any old BeOS devs working on the project? |
| 05:00.31 | starseeker | dunno |
| 05:01.19 | starseeker | one idea I'm sorry no one put forward before Oracle bought Sun was to suggest Sun expand its open hardware program to include entire older generation PC specifications |
| 05:01.33 | starseeker | Ralith: probably old BeOS devs would have IP issues |
| 05:02.25 | Ralith | the people who might care are still around? |
| 05:02.43 | starseeker | you mean BeOS devs? |
| 05:02.55 | starseeker | or you mean Oracle/Sun? |
| 05:03.04 | Ralith | BeOS |
| 05:03.15 | Ralith | of course the people who care about open hardware are around :P |
| 05:03.37 | starseeker | sure - but I'm guessing Sun would have been more willing to entertain the idea before they got bought |
| 05:04.03 | starseeker | I'd imagine there are some of the old BeOS devs floating around, but I don't really know |
| 05:04.14 | starseeker | eeek. OK, must sleep now |
| 05:05.37 | Ralith | kk, night |
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| 08:33.54 | miqlas | brlcad : are You here? |
| 08:40.45 | Ralith | miqlas: that driver you linked me was for 2d -_- |
| 08:41.17 | miqlas | Ralith, if You check the readme, it tells there is basic 3d support for some older videocard. |
| 08:41.31 | Ralith | miqlas: 'basic 3d support for some older videocard' is not 3D accel. |
| 08:41.42 | miqlas | "Basic 3D acceleration for older cards: see the seperately available 3D accelerant's documentation for details;" |
| 08:42.02 | Ralith | also, not only is that a 2d driver, it's an unmaintained one which stopped working some time ago, according to #haiku. |
| 08:42.21 | Ralith | as part of the move to Mesa 7 |
| 08:42.32 | Ralith | which does support acceleration, but has no implementations of it. |
| 08:42.36 | miqlas | Sorry, i can't know everything :) |
| 08:42.49 | Ralith | 'k |
| 08:43.05 | Ralith | nevertheless, cool looking OS. |
| 08:43.18 | miqlas | But it give bigger score in OGLTeapot :) |
| 08:48.29 | Ralith | sleeps |
| 08:51.29 | miqlas | what is the good word for an technican draw? It is good for assembly? Sorry, the english is not my native language.. |
| 08:56.28 | Ralith | miqlas: diagram? blueprint? People just say 'technical drawing' most of the time, I think. |
| 08:57.24 | miqlas | This is a 3d cad assembly. The "CAD assembly" good for this? |
| 08:57.55 | miqlas | And i need change the MIT license text? (software -> CAD assembly)? |
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| 08:59.07 | Ralith | If in legal text, I'd refer to it with more encompassing terms, e.g. 'CAD file' |
| 08:59.22 | Ralith | and the MIT license may be best left alone, but for a definitive answer wait for brlcad |
| 08:59.29 | Ralith | (i.e. used as-is) |
| 08:59.37 | Ralith | (but I'm sure it can wait a few hours for him to show) |
| 09:00.59 | miqlas | Okay. |
| 09:01.05 | miqlas | I need to go now. |
| 09:01.06 | miqlas | Bye! |
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| 09:24.40 | mafm_ | hi there |
| 09:45.39 | pacman87 | morning, mafm |
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| 10:32.18 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
| 10:43.35 | mafm | mernin |
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| 14:27.41 | starseeker | took a stab at Haiku + vmplayer, but must wait due to needing to play with kernel modules |
| 14:31.18 | ``Erik | http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=234 |
| 14:31.31 | brlcad | yep, just finished reading it :) |
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| 14:32.19 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 14:33.08 | ``Erik | the different perspective and explicit pointing out of correlations and implications may help some people *shrug* :) I figured it may be valuable for some folk to read |
| 14:34.47 | brlcad | yeah, few key sentences in there |
| 14:34.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34304 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/: ignore prodigal binaries |
| 14:36.23 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad :) |
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| 15:02.42 | ``Erik | *headache* why won't people just fucking let waterfall die |
| 15:03.30 | _clock_ | didaktik je vsudypritomny |
| 15:11.18 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: question about your patch -- did you test that on anything? |
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| 15:54.41 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, not on a test object,just checked for compilation errors. planned on doing it post endsemester exams |
| 15:54.50 | brlcad | ah, okay |
| 15:55.39 | hippieindamakin8 | i ll get back to u on 30th after testing it . sorry for not doing that |
| 15:56.03 | brlcad | it's okay |
| 15:56.32 | brlcad | i was just looking at myself, and didn't look like it'd compile |
| 15:56.44 | hippieindamakin8 | thanks |
| 15:59.19 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, is it ? |
| 16:01.08 | hippieindamakin8 | i ll just verify everything and get back to you then. with the results |
| 16:03.41 | madant | hippieindamakin8: 30th is the D-day ? getting out of iit finally ;) ? |
| 16:03.57 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, no :) |
| 16:04.08 | hippieindamakin8 | i dropped a course just before the endsems |
| 16:04.24 | madant | damn, what do you have to do then ? |
| 16:04.30 | hippieindamakin8 | it is better to drop it rather than flunk it. so i ll do it next semester |
| 16:05.02 | madant | yikes, so you have to stay a semester for a course :O ? |
| 16:05.12 | madant | you were dead sure you were going to flunk it :O ? |
| 16:05.43 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, yeah the prof the last time when he took the course gave an F at the average score. |
| 16:06.13 | madant | thinks psycho profs are the bane of good education :D |
| 16:10.35 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, its the other way round. they dont want people to fiddle around with the real world stuff with this average knowledge |
| 16:11.33 | madant | never had that bad or good profs :) |
| 16:12.21 | madant | brlcad, though art my mentor :) and elena goes to d-lo ? |
| 16:12.41 | madant | oops i meant thou art my mentor .. :D |
| 16:13.59 | hippieindamakin8 | is compiling the package again |
| 16:16.41 | brlcad | madant: for logistics tracking, yeah |
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| 16:17.38 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: yeah, BU_PTBL_INS doesn't look right |
| 16:18.09 | madant | brlcad: awesome :) i'll get my act together immediately |
| 16:19.44 | hippieindamakin8 | it is of the type int , but in this file tankill-g.c it has been used this way: /* save the face in a table */ |
| 16:19.44 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.21 | brlcad | well, it's going to crash -- you never initialize the nmg_vertices (or any of th bu_ptbl's) |
| 16:22.29 | brlcad | similarly, you don't allocate or initialize the struct vertex |
| 16:23.13 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, oops i ll just correct the code and send it to you |
| 16:23.25 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, just discard it for now. |
| 16:23.43 | brlcad | okay |
| 16:23.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34305 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_misc.c: ws, indent, style consistency cleanup |
| 16:23.49 | brlcad | otherwise, it looks like you were going down the right track I think |
| 16:24.41 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah i was in a hurry not to care abt the memory issues. i ll just add them up. and submit the patch agaon |
| 16:26.05 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: there's an old junk routine that does almost exactly what that routine needs to do |
| 16:26.16 | brlcad | though it reads from a file iirc |
| 16:26.26 | brlcad | yeah... nmg_polytonmg() |
| 16:26.31 | brlcad | in nmg_junk.c |
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| 16:26.51 | brlcad | there you can see the GET_VERTEX allocation and setting the magic to init it |
| 16:26.59 | miqlas | Hello brlcad! |
| 16:27.03 | miqlas | Do You got the mail? |
| 16:27.04 | hippieindamakin8 | aah i have taken the observations/procedure from ascii to nmg.c |
| 16:27.07 | brlcad | howdy miqlas ! |
| 16:27.08 | brlcad | yeah, I got it |
| 16:27.16 | brlcad | fantabulous |
| 16:27.19 | miqlas | Can BRL-CAD open it? |
| 16:27.31 | hippieindamakin8 | i ll check nmg_junk.c |
| 16:27.40 | miqlas | Please, send me a screenshoot about it, if You can... |
| 16:27.42 | brlcad | heh, not as a step file .. that's the converter presently being implemented :) |
| 16:27.52 | brlcad | but I can' go through another path and import it to show you |
| 16:28.35 | miqlas | I can provide .iges and .stl file too. |
| 16:28.51 | brlcad | that would be awesome |
| 16:28.56 | brlcad | save me some time |
| 16:29.13 | miqlas | Do You need the .stl and .iges file? |
| 16:29.30 | brlcad | yeah, both would be great |
| 16:29.44 | brlcad | we have importers for those to already |
| 16:30.38 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad , right. it is mostly what i need. |
| 16:30.47 | miqlas | it is cca. 40 mb... |
| 16:31.16 | brlcad | miqlas: can upload via ftp to brlcad.org/incoming |
| 16:31.32 | miqlas | okay. i try... |
| 16:31.48 | miqlas | i'm compressing wit rar, it is ok for You? |
| 16:32.02 | miqlas | No it is only 4 mb :) |
| 16:32.09 | brlcad | that's fine |
| 16:32.17 | miqlas | 40 Mb->4 Mb. Good... :) |
| 16:34.56 | miqlas | upload finished. |
| 16:35.09 | miqlas | please, check the archive.. |
| 16:35.50 | miqlas | Can i ask, the USa military use the BRL-CAD yet? |
| 16:36.03 | brlcad | okay, will check |
| 16:36.07 | brlcad | yeah, for more than 20 years |
| 16:36.11 | brlcad | actively using it |
| 16:36.21 | miqlas | Okay. Thanks. |
| 16:36.49 | miqlas | brlcad, did You checked the license text? it is good? |
| 16:37.41 | brlcad | looked good to me |
| 16:38.42 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, madant : see you soon |
| 16:39.03 | hippieindamakin8 | gets back to studying taking note of what he has to correct in the patch. |
| 16:40.20 | brlcad | starseeker: you should have access on the site now |
| 16:40.35 | brlcad | created a new core contributor role that should give nearly complete access |
| 16:40.59 | brlcad | you basically create a new story and promote it to the main page |
| 16:41.29 | brlcad | feel free to fix the captcha when you notice the bug.. :) |
| 16:48.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34306 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_junk.c: major cleanup upon remembering nmg_polytonmg() in the junk file. possible approach for a bot-to-nmg routine. while we're in here, clean up the ws/style and rip out all the dead code for heaps and groups. |
| 16:49.46 | starseeker | brlcad: cool! thanks |
| 16:54.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34307 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_junk.c: add missing headers so the file will actually compile, make all of the routines static just so someone doesn't try to use them, and add a big freaking warning about the routines not being vetted for use yet. |
| 16:55.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34308 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_junk.c: de-knrify |
| 16:56.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34309 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/Makefile.am: |
| 16:56.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: enable compilation of the nmg_junk.c source file so that the source can stay in |
| 16:56.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: sync with the API. all routines in there are static, so strictly speaking |
| 16:56.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: compiling the file isn't necessary, but it will help the sources stay updated. |
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| 17:14.14 | d-lo | go go gadget brlcad. |
| 17:21.30 | brlcad | hehe, fantastic.. http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-42154-181.html |
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| 17:21.53 | brlcad | hello joe |
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| 19:19.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34310 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 19:19.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: topic came up again today, expand on the need for a 3d plot object primitive. |
| 19:19.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: ideally/probably needs to support points, lines, polylines, arcs, circles, |
| 19:19.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: spline curves, and text. the _plot() callbacks should then return a plot object |
| 19:19.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: instead of the current vlist/polyline data that it returns. all sorts of |
| 19:19.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: implications and benefits including automatic wireframe LoD and optimized |
| 19:19.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: representation. |
| 19:22.48 | ``Erik | wonders if there's too much duplication in brlcads notional outline... isn't a circle just an arc that goes all the way around? isn't an arc a case of spline? isn't a line a case of spline? isn't a polyline a set of lines? O.o |
| 19:23.43 | brlcad | yes, mathematically tis true -- but from a modeling and capturing intent perspective, the subclasses are useful to record (and it's much less data) |
| 19:24.11 | brlcad | it's also pretty much the standard set of specific entities supported by drafting systems |
| 19:24.45 | ``Erik | hm, but should it be explicitely broken out into seperate entities, or should, say, 'gimmealine()' create a spline that just happsnt o have 0 length control vectors at each endpoint? |
| 19:24.55 | ``Erik | happens to |
| 19:25.08 | ``Erik | is the memory savings worth the added complexity? |
| 19:25.42 | brlcad | you have to have the complexity anyways for the N types, it's rather minimal |
| 19:26.05 | brlcad | not like they have ray-tracing hooks, for example |
| 19:26.15 | brlcad | and if we import from another system, it's a faithful import |
| 19:26.23 | ``Erik | *shrug* I'm just jabbering to try to sound smart :) something that might be worth considering if it hasn't been |
| 19:27.24 | ``Erik | being able to send that kinda info to the raytracer might be useful once we start adding drafting capabilities |
| 19:28.50 | ``Erik | (mebbe as a post-frame overlay) |
| 19:32.29 | brlcad | another possibility would be to have each object be its own object in the db, given them all their own non-geometry entity code ala iges/step/dxf .. but that really goes down a road I'm not keen on |
| 19:33.08 | brlcad | hm.. http://www.plasticproto.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26&Itemid=34&lang=en |
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| 19:37.57 | brlcad | also interesting.. http://www.harmonyware.com/step_supported.html |
| 19:38.57 | brlcad | basically a subset of that list, the 3D non-surface/non-solid/non-reference entities |
| 19:46.42 | ``Erik | hehehe "yak shaving" I like that :D |
| 20:02.24 | brlcad | another option altogether is for _plot() to go away and _brep() take its place |
| 20:05.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34311 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: few more entities (thx collada) |
| 20:23.53 | ``Erik | huh http://smacklet.com/ |
| 21:03.43 | archivist | have you left that page up for a complete period ``Erik :) |
| 21:03.55 | ``Erik | yeah heh |
| 21:04.00 | ``Erik | I had "drink coffee" on mine |
| 21:04.01 | ``Erik | :D |
| 21:04.33 | archivist | I had a step back from what you are doing (i put nothing) |
| 21:08.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34312 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_junk.c: quell symbol error, nmg_isect_edge3p_shell doesn't exist |
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| 00:42.24 | starseeker | hs extremely evil though - if GM is forced to declare bankruptcy, what happens to their CAD system? |
| 00:43.44 | starseeker | 'course, if it's anything like their cars it may not matter much... |
| 00:44.09 | Ralith | perhaps a donation-funded organization representing the oss CAD community could purchase the IP :D |
| 00:45.25 | ``Erik | if gm goes 11, their assets are auctioned and someone buys the chunk that owns the cad IP |
| 00:46.10 | starseeker | bids $20 |
| 00:46.48 | ``Erik | FI DORRA! |
| 00:53.57 | Ralith | we could pull a blender |
| 01:56.13 | brlcad | not likely, their CAD system is worth a whole lot more (by a couple orders) than blender was before open source |
| 01:57.44 | brlcad | either way, not bloody likely anything would happen to it other than getting retained as someone else's IP |
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| 01:58.01 | archivist | use Zimbabwe dollars then they have bigger numbers |
| 02:06.23 | rbfish2k | hi |
| 02:06.31 | rbfish2k | i am compiling brlcad in cygwin |
| 02:06.34 | rbfish2k | but i got the error: |
| 02:06.40 | rbfish2k | In file included from /home/ken/rbfish2k/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tk/unix/../generic/tkButton.c:19: |
| 02:06.41 | rbfish2k | /home/ken/rbfish2k/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tk/unix/../generic/default.h:21:29: tkWinDefault.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:06.49 | rbfish2k | anyone can help me out? |
| 02:11.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34313 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (cmd.h setup.c): doesn't seem to be any need for mged_cmdtab to be non-static any longer. |
| 02:13.19 | brlcad | rbfish2k: yeah, you need to modify the header search paths (CPPFLAGS) to include -Isrc/other/tk/win |
| 02:14.47 | brlcad | what's peculiar is that should already be happening |
| 02:15.16 | rbfish2k | i should first do something like "export CPPFLAGS=-Isrc/other/tk/win"? |
| 02:15.55 | brlcad | no |
| 02:16.33 | brlcad | try this first: grep TK_CPPFLAGS src/other/Makefile |
| 02:18.26 | rbfish2k | now it is "TK_CPPFLAGS = -I${top_srcdir}/src/other/tk/generic -I${top_srcdir}/src/other/tk/unix -I${top_srcdir}/src/other/tk/win". |
| 02:18.28 | rbfish2k | correct? |
| 02:18.32 | brlcad | yes |
| 02:18.45 | brlcad | so it's just not using that TK_CPPFLAGS in the tk build |
| 02:19.03 | brlcad | try: cd src/other/tk |
| 02:19.55 | brlcad | grep top_srcdir Makefile |
| 02:19.55 | brlcad | what's that give? |
| 02:20.12 | brlcad | (the first one) |
| 02:20.26 | brlcad | probably ../../.. ? |
| 02:20.39 | rbfish2k | yes, you are right. |
| 02:21.24 | rbfish2k | how can i fix the problem? |
| 02:21.25 | brlcad | if so, run this after the cd: CPPFLAGS="-I../../../src/other/tk/generic -I../../../src/other/tk/win -I../../../src/other/tk/unix" make |
| 02:21.58 | rbfish2k | thanks. let me try. |
| 02:22.12 | PrezKennedyII | brlcad, what are you doing here on a Friday night?? |
| 02:22.14 | brlcad | the only way to fix the problem is to get that -I../../../src/other/tk/win passed into the build |
| 02:22.16 | rbfish2k | but it takes me some time to complete "configure". |
| 02:22.25 | brlcad | PrezKennedyII: same thing I do every friday night! |
| 02:22.33 | brlcad | try to take over the world! |
| 02:22.48 | brlcad | rbfish2k: I didn't say run configure did I? |
| 02:22.58 | brlcad | I gave you the exact command.... |
| 02:23.08 | rbfish2k | but the make is doing it automatically |
| 02:23.15 | rbfish2k | after i ran "svn up" |
| 02:23.18 | brlcad | bah |
| 02:23.22 | brlcad | then all bets are off :) |
| 02:23.41 | brlcad | not my fault you did that :P |
| 02:23.57 | rbfish2k | it is fine. it will take me about 8 minutes. |
| 02:24.01 | brlcad | ouch |
| 02:24.06 | rbfish2k | my computer is not so fast. |
| 02:24.34 | PrezKennedyII | brlcad, has anyone tried running it on Windows 7 yet? |
| 02:24.47 | brlcad | don't know |
| 02:24.51 | brlcad | not I |
| 02:25.45 | brlcad | rbfish2k: if that doesn't work -- retry configure with --with-cppflags="-I/absolute/path/to/brlcad/src/other/tk/win" |
| 02:26.29 | rbfish2k | make failed even after i ran "export CPPFLAGS="-I../../../src/other/tk/generic -I../../../src/other/tk/win -I../../../src/other/tk/unix"" |
| 02:26.36 | rbfish2k | let me re-configure it |
| 02:26.38 | brlcad | didn't say export :P |
| 02:26.45 | brlcad | that was a one-liner |
| 02:27.11 | brlcad | if that didn't work, you swap CPPFLAGS after 'make' but still one-liner |
| 02:27.38 | brlcad | and it's not just a blind try, you're looking to see it put that -I onto the compile |
| 02:27.46 | brlcad | if you don't see it do that, of course it won't work |
| 02:28.13 | rbfish2k | i understand. |
| 02:28.19 | rbfish2k | it looks better now. |
| 02:28.21 | brlcad | if you have to, you can manually run the build command within src/other/tk/unix/ and add the -I yourself |
| 02:28.31 | brlcad | via copy-paste |
| 02:28.41 | PrezKennedyII | brlcad, that would be a negatory |
| 02:30.40 | rbfish2k | make is complaining "/bin/sh: /home/ken/rbfish2k/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/unix/tclsh85.exe: No such file or directory" |
| 02:31.31 | rbfish2k | and |
| 02:31.35 | rbfish2k | jove_main.c:640: error: storage size of 'tty' isn't known |
| 02:31.38 | rbfish2k | jove_main.c:653: error: `TIOCSETN' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 02:47.30 | starseeker | brlcad: true, someone would buy the GM CAD system. Although, given how much $$ the American public (via their elected officials) have sunk into GM, if it does go belly up perhaps the public could enter a collective claim on the CAD part ;-) |
| 02:47.55 | starseeker | after all, that's one asset every US citizen could get a copy of (in theory) :-P |
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| 08:12.48 | mafm | hi there |
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| 14:56.55 | brlcad | yawns |
| 15:08.54 | starseeker | chuckles - the g-dxf succeeded on the tire, but left out the tread |
| 15:11.17 | brlcad | cool |
| 15:11.28 | brlcad | maybe you can get the tread to convert by itsel |
| 15:12.04 | poolio | mornin' all |
| 15:12.46 | starseeker | hmm |
| 15:12.48 | starseeker | tries that |
| 15:14.47 | starseeker | db_walk_subtree() FAIL on '/tread-215-55R17.c/tread_master-215-55R17.c/extrude2-7-215-55R17' |
| 15:29.15 | brlcad | exists? |
| 15:34.57 | starseeker | seems to |
| 15:35.55 | starseeker | all the individual components do, and extrude2-7-215-55R17 shows up in tread_master-215-55R17.c |
| 15:36.28 | starseeker | I can e up both tread_master and tread without trouble in mged |
| 16:02.05 | ``Erik | if I can clone a stairmaster instance, does that mean I dont' have to do the exercise myself? |
| 16:19.39 | starseeker | wow - even without the tread (and with a very course tesselation) the file size of the tesselated .g is 10x that of the the CSG |
| 16:26.19 | ``Erik | that's it? |
| 16:27.18 | ``Erik | I mean, a sphere is what, 4 floats, 16 bytes... a tesselated sphere in any unsuck representation is at LEAST say 20 faces, so a lot more flaots... :D morethan 10x |
| 16:27.38 | ``Erik | and an isocohedron is an awfully crude sphere |
| 16:30.43 | starseeker | oh, this looks pretty sucky |
| 16:30.49 | starseeker | raytraces... |
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| 16:43.22 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/tire_tesselation_attempt.png |
| 16:43.54 | starseeker | actually that's only the inner surface, so that size estimate is probably low by ~2x, even leaving out the tread |
| 16:59.45 | bjorkintosh | it's a video game, but i think this looks pretty damned cool! http://pjotr.stacken.kth.se/love/tool_demo_gdc_2009.mp4 |
| 17:12.51 | brlcad | starseeker: note that with g-dxf, it's going to make nmgs .. i.e polygons, not just triangles |
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| 19:40.15 | brlcad | jdoliner: his name is William, but he doesn't go by that -- he goes by Keith |
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| 20:34.07 | elena | hi |
| 20:35.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0389.136.118.141 07http://brlcad.org * r1436 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* MoRe.brlcad.org 2 */ |
| 20:44.09 | brlcad | must run out for a bit but .. hello elena, congrats! |
| 20:47.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0389.136.118.141 07http://brlcad.org * r1437 10/wiki/User:EBautu: Initial page |
| 20:50.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0389.136.118.141 07http://brlcad.org * r1438 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* MoRe.brlcad.org 2 */ |
| 21:32.45 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 21:48.47 | elena | yawns, too |
| 21:49.10 | elena | hi brlcad, sorry I mised you. |
| 21:58.25 | ``Erik | *readreadread* so 'MoRe' has a lot of dependancy on the uploader adding correct information? do you envision .g file construction/deconstruction (say to abstract out common objects)? |
| 21:59.25 | ``Erik | will there be any kind of notion of 'karma' or 'rating' in the system? |
| 21:59.42 | ``Erik | <-- is just thinking noisily and half playing devils advocate, btw |
| 22:06.06 | elena | rating - maybe. |
| 22:06.20 | elena | but i'd tend to do it for models |
| 22:06.29 | elena | not for users |
| 22:06.48 | elena | what do you mean by correct information? |
| 22:08.14 | elena | do you think karma for users would be helpfull? I don't see it as a big feature |
| 22:08.26 | elena | but maybe I'm wrong. |
| 22:09.21 | elena | we could have the user rating as an average of the ratings of the user's models |
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| 22:32.21 | elena | goes to bed. |
| 22:32.23 | elena | bye |
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| 03:52.19 | starseeker | <snort> 12 hours on the tread, and it gives me one set around the tire (out of seven or eight) |
| 03:54.32 | starseeker | just that one was 180k |
| 03:57.30 | starseeker | if it had done the whole thing it would probably be ~1 meg |
| 03:59.53 | starseeker | at a guess, 1.4 megabytes for the tire/wheel combo |
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| 12:28.12 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 12:48.06 | brlcad | *yawn* |
| 13:09.52 | ``Erik | heh, jon lajoie |
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| 13:11.02 | ``Erik | guess some people aren't appreciative of his work O.o :D |
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| 14:50.07 | elena | hi |
| 15:16.45 | ``Erik | good morning |
| 15:23.17 | ``Erik | surpose you had access to a 4.3bsd system with an old BRL-CAD, via telnet or a web interface or something... what would you expect? |
| 15:23.45 | ``Erik | (we're talkin' vax 11/780 tuned down to actual speed here) |
| 15:38.55 | elena | @``Erik: you mentioned something about user provided information yesterday. what were you refering about? |
| 15:46.23 | ``Erik | um, your proposed plan involves the uploading agent to provide information... what if they give bad information (via either malice or incompetence) |
| 15:46.51 | ``Erik | "hey, here's a box! visit my website at http://spamfest.com" |
| 15:46.54 | ``Erik | :) |
| 15:48.24 | ``Erik | I imagine the 'MoRe' notion is more about building a community with some tools to police it than a piece of software itself... if the policing part isn't defined, you risk despotism, no? |
| 15:51.16 | elena | right. |
| 15:51.37 | elena | automatic spam can be caught. |
| 15:52.02 | ``Erik | 99% of the time, yes, with only 1-2% false positive rate |
| 15:52.03 | ``Erik | :) |
| 15:52.08 | elena | manual spam will have to be reported by users. |
| 15:52.37 | elena | and dealt with like with any other "bad" user |
| 15:53.41 | elena | I haven't yet went into details with starseeker (my mentor), but we'll have to analyze the human resources we have for model administration. |
| 15:54.01 | elena | depending on that we'll decide how open/close the submission will be. |
| 15:54.16 | elena | I'd expect it to be quite open. |
| 15:55.02 | elena | the "report a problem" or the rating system will take care of penalyzing bad submissions. |
| 15:55.09 | ``Erik | my goal is to expose possible thought paths that may not be opened otherwise... *shrug* if I make you stop and think, I've succeeded :) |
| 15:55.16 | elena | what's your oppinion about that? |
| 15:55.32 | ``Erik | I kinda think your project is not really a software project, but a community project |
| 15:56.13 | ``Erik | and every community will have heroes and villians... how do you find/reward/punish those? |
| 15:57.13 | elena | like in any other open community. we rely on the comunity to spot them out :) |
| 15:57.26 | ``Erik | the "penalizing" of bad submissions and rewarding of good submissions might need some more explicit detail |
| 15:58.58 | elena | for the start, good models will get promoted. |
| 15:59.00 | ``Erik | I'm a code monkey... if you don't submit, you don't exist. if you submit bad stuff, you're a piece of shit. if you submit good stuff, eventually you get nerdpoints and people listen to you... I think you're trying to build a modeler equivelant as part of your software, I'm not sure you've addressed the fundamental aspects in your proposal yet... *shrug* I could be wrong, I'm just a code monkey |
| 15:59.01 | ``Erik | :) |
| 16:01.05 | ``Erik | are you writing a drupal plugin, or are you building a community that use a drupal plugin? I think that's the big sticker :) |
| 16:01.42 | elena | some task will need new plugins. |
| 16:01.58 | elena | like model conversions. |
| 16:02.12 | elena | other will use existing plugins, like for ratings. |
| 16:02.39 | elena | "you're a piece of ..." might also need some more explicit detail :) |
| 16:02.40 | ``Erik | of course, new communicites will need new functionality.. but I'm not asking if there needs to be new software, I'm asking what the real goal is :) |
| 16:02.44 | ``Erik | communities |
| 16:03.15 | elena | the real goal is to get a good repository. |
| 16:03.25 | elena | so we can share models. |
| 16:03.40 | elena | either good or bad. hopefully most good. |
| 16:03.56 | ``Erik | I'm not sure I agree, I think the real goal would be to generate a community that is willing and able to share models |
| 16:04.16 | ``Erik | a brilliant repository is useless if there is no community using it |
| 16:05.07 | ``Erik | *shrug* :) my opinion, of no importance... I'll help with the coding where I can and ask the ugly questions when I feel like being "that guy", but *shrug* I did my best to not be a mentor this year so I don't have to "judge" anyone |
| 16:05.20 | ``Erik | I'm just asking to get braincells firing |
| 16:05.21 | elena | true. but we already have a community. |
| 16:05.51 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD has a few disperate communities that don't seem to like the notion of unification or sharing. |
| 16:06.28 | elena | exactly! and why's that? |
| 16:07.02 | ``Erik | oh, I imagine part of that is the military nature that a significant portion of the user community (and almost all our funding) comes from |
| 16:07.13 | elena | don't worry about being "that guy". "those guys" are as helpfull as the "nice guys" :) |
| 16:07.41 | elena | :) |
| 16:07.47 | elena | you got me there. |
| 16:08.06 | elena | I can't help with that and I was thinking to another answer. |
| 16:09.19 | ``Erik | While the GSOC projects may benefit the secretive military retards, I tend to push my thinking more towards the open source side... I'd like to see an efficient and usable repo out in the real world that my secret squirrel buddies can use when appropriate... but that comes back to the issue, it's about the community, not the software :) |
| 16:10.12 | ``Erik | I've seen brilliant open source software languish due to lack of interest... and I persoanlyl feel that linux is pretty shitty, but it has a solid community, so it thrives :) |
| 16:10.50 | ``Erik | an aspect to ponder, perhaps, or just ignore *shrug* |
| 16:12.34 | elena | I'll keep that in mind. |
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| 17:33.25 | madant | ha.. the action has started already :) |
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| 20:17.50 | madant | howdy jdoliner , elena :) |
| 20:21.02 | elena | hi. |
| 20:25.17 | madant | d-lo: i shall miss you :) brlcad is my new master :D |
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| 20:31.51 | ``Erik | O.O that very may well be just a little tmi |
| 20:33.22 | madant | :D |
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| 23:49.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34314 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: haven't documented the other contributors (nick and myself) yet for the new points primitive, but go ahead and document richard's implementation of the 'l' command support so that pnts can be described. |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34315 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: document the addition of the point cloud primitive (pnts) by nick and myself |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: even though it's still not quite ready for public use just yet given a few |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: callbacks still need to be implemented for basic use. this was added back |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: during 7.12 but not documented until now due to momentum and completeness at the |
| 23:55.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: time. |
| 00:18.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34316 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pnts/pnts.c: |
| 00:18.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: simplify the export calculations for the point data size: use masks so we can |
| 00:18.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: avoid error-prone magic numbers. also remove the unnecessary void pointer |
| 00:18.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: casting redundancy in _describe(), BU_LIST_FOR gives us the right iterator type. |
| 00:19.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34317 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pnts/pnts.c: ws |
| 00:25.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34318 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pnts/pnts.c: cleanup and prepare to fix ifree() |
| 00:27.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34319 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pnts/pnts.c: print the type if we encounter something unexpected to help with debugging |
| 01:02.53 | b0ef | jdoliner: not really sure what you mean by hybridization between B-REP and CSG; you will work on NURBS in other words?;) |
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| 02:06.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34320 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pnts/pnts.c: |
| 02:06.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: restore an _ifree() implementation that still 'cheats' by just leveraging the |
| 02:06.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: fact that all of the point structure types have a bu_list element that we can |
| 02:06.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: iterate over. we can save a little time by avoiding to dequeue the points too |
| 02:06.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: since the list is being wiped out anyways. stub in the _print() callback |
| 02:07.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: pretending that rt_pnts_internal is what we're going to use for the solid |
| 02:07.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: specific structure. |
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| 02:52.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34321 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pnts/pnts.c: one more void* elimination along with consolidating the buf size to one place. |
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| 05:20.22 | starseeker | hrm. |
| 05:20.40 | starseeker | appears to have exceeded the memory capabilities of his system |
| 05:29.28 | Ralith | haiku runs nicely on my laptop :D |
| 05:29.36 | starseeker | cool! |
| 05:29.40 | Ralith | I should install it to disk and see if it's actually responsive from there >_> |
| 05:29.53 | starseeker | if it supports the laptop hardware |
| 05:30.07 | Ralith | hm? |
| 05:30.12 | Ralith | it's running pretty well right now... |
| 05:30.20 | Ralith | full resolution, functional network, mouse, keyboard |
| 05:30.22 | starseeker | wait, are you running in virtual machine? |
| 05:30.28 | Ralith | nope |
| 05:30.31 | starseeker | !! |
| 05:30.31 | Ralith | booted it from a USB stick |
| 05:30.32 | starseeker | nice |
| 05:30.43 | Ralith | pretty shiny. |
| 05:30.58 | Ralith | kinda dissapointed that ff2 came up though |
| 05:31.01 | Ralith | was hoping for a native browser |
| 05:31.07 | Ralith | that is, custom browser |
| 05:31.11 | starseeker | ah |
| 05:31.19 | starseeker | thinks that will come after a stable release |
| 05:31.28 | starseeker | probably use webkit or gecko though |
| 05:33.20 | Ralith | yeah, I remembered reading about some effort to transfer existing work to webkit |
| 05:41.20 | Ralith | 300fps spinning teapot in software |
| 05:41.21 | Ralith | not bad |
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| 06:38.58 | mafm | hi |
| 06:44.37 | Ralith | hi |
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| 06:51.29 | elena | hello |
| 07:09.17 | madant | howdy mafm |
| 07:09.43 | madant | Ralith: how's the gui planning coming up :) |
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| 08:58.50 | brlcad | wanders off to practice |
| 09:01.27 | brlcad | Ralith: that's pretty cool, so next step is get a compiler installed and work on a minimum brl-cad compilation? :) |
| 09:03.11 | Ralith | maybe! |
| 09:03.18 | Ralith | madant: slower than I'd like |
| 09:07.34 | madant | :) one thing i learned last time is :D most things take longer than you anticipate :) |
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| 10:53.20 | d-lo | nornin all! |
| 10:58.57 | ``Erik | yargh, matey, shiver me timbers, or somethin' |
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| 13:22.58 | ``Erik | cooks up some corned beef hash and eggs O.o |
| 13:23.22 | d-lo | Now *THAT* sounds good... Mmmmmm |
| 13:23.52 | ``Erik | the gf thought I was batshit insane for buying a can of corned beef hash |
| 13:23.54 | ``Erik | it's good shit! |
| 13:24.03 | ``Erik | fat kid shit, but good! |
| 13:24.52 | ``Erik | I think I'll bring eds lappie back to him tomorrow |
| 13:25.17 | ``Erik | in th emean time, this ucw action vs function crap not acting like call/cc should is strusfrating me. |
| 13:25.50 | brlcad | that's good stuff |
| 13:26.34 | ``Erik | (it's my rdo, I think I've dropped more lines of code this morning than in the last fortnight) |
| 13:28.43 | brlcad | just had a delectable plate of his own creation. yum! |
| 13:29.02 | ``Erik | think you guys could spare a corner with a workstation for me? I'm getting clobbered with questions left and right that burn time and even lead to philosphical debates :( that he actually stated that he was doing me a favor by not asking me a question for a WHOLE FUCKING HOUR |
| 13:29.12 | ``Erik | I have shit to do, I need to hide to do it :( |
| 13:30.45 | ``Erik | indianlarry takes most of it for me as he's not on a crunch for anything, but when he's not there or doesn't have the answers... *grouse* |
| 13:31.14 | ``Erik | I might be turnin' those new suns into my chair real soon |
| 13:31.24 | brlcad | um, maybe don't get suckered into philosophical debates |
| 13:32.04 | ``Erik | hehehe, it's hard, he has ideas that he needs to be heared, and when ya disagree, it must be because you didn't understnad him |
| 13:32.05 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 13:32.14 | d-lo | lol |
| 13:32.16 | brlcad | i'm sure that's not all the questions, but that one you can certainly do something about |
| 13:32.16 | d-lo | lock the door |
| 13:32.30 | ``Erik | uhhh, he has a key? :D |
| 13:33.02 | ``Erik | waterfall/perfection vs agile/chaotic |
| 13:33.05 | ``Erik | *sigh* :D |
| 13:33.09 | d-lo | oh, THAT one. I thought you were talking about the previous owner of cliffs seat. |
| 13:33.23 | ``Erik | no, he's totally controllable, not an issue at all |
| 13:34.50 | ``Erik | last friday, I said "ok, if you think that's how it should be, go do it. If it works, people will follow" way too many times |
| 13:35.29 | ``Erik | <-- was seriously close to flipping out, wasn't planning on going to lunch, but HAD to get out of that environment O.o |
| 13:35.44 | ``Erik | gave me a damn headache :D |
| 13:35.48 | ``Erik | aaaanyways |
| 13:36.31 | ``Erik | I think I might have to look for a place to squat in to crank some productivity, dark and music... O.o |
| 13:36.50 | d-lo | You like headphones? |
| 13:39.50 | ``Erik | I can't use headphones for very long, they tend to push on my jaw just below my ears and give me a headache |
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| 13:44.02 | starseeker | tries to gear up argouml and discovers that a major python version update on gentoo == pain |
| 13:46.20 | ``Erik | d-lo, do you tubesperms do mess duty, or do ya'll get a specialist? |
| 13:46.42 | ``Erik | s/allothta/pasttesnse()/ |
| 13:48.13 | d-lo | Mess duty only when you are new to the boat and can't stand any Watchstation. |
| 13:48.20 | d-lo | NUB = Non Useful Body |
| 13:48.26 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:48.31 | d-lo | NUB = Mess duty. |
| 13:48.45 | ``Erik | this somehow reminds me of navy mess... *cookcoookcook* |
| 13:49.19 | d-lo | If you aren't pulling out 15 day old leftovers, you aren't doing it right imho. =D |
| 13:49.39 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 13:51.49 | ``Erik | noms his brunch |
| 13:54.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34323 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bn.h: stub the notion of a point |
| 13:58.56 | brlcad | enum ftw |
| 14:00.22 | ``Erik | public thinking *shrug* when I get around to the actual draw routines, mebbe I'll consider applying it |
| 14:01.01 | ``Erik | mmm salty, but good, I should buy corned beef hash more often :D |
| 14:03.29 | ``Erik | heads out to check up on his car, renew his rental contract and stop by the grocery store O.o |
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| 14:07.55 | d-lo | ...just don't go out for pizza! *ducks* |
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| 15:01.22 | mafm | hi |
| 15:15.23 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
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| 15:31.07 | madant | hi mafm |
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| 15:59.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34324 10/brlcad/trunk/include/nmg.h: alignment cleanup while looking where data could be attached |
| 15:59.14 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: hola! any progress on that nmg routine? |
| 15:59.31 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, hey |
| 15:59.50 | hippieindamakin8 | not yet. just back from 7 hrs of continous examinations. |
| 16:00.27 | hippieindamakin8 | i ll do that on 30th as soon as i am done with the endsems . got 2 more on wednesday and i ll be done. |
| 16:02.52 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i ll look through the nmg_junk and the other conversions to nmg and rewrite it then |
| 16:12.26 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: oh yeah, how'd those go? |
| 16:12.31 | brlcad | your exams that is |
| 16:12.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34325 10/brlcad/trunk/include/nmg.h: more ws and comment cleanup |
| 16:13.30 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: when you do look, keep in mind that nmg_junk alludes to the notion that the way it does it for polys from file isn't necessarily the 'right' way |
| 16:13.56 | brlcad | didn't investigate exactly what was meant by that comment but I think it has to do with the fact that the nmg is manually constructed instead of using functions |
| 16:24.33 | ``Erik | no no, I seem to get accosted by curbs when I go out for pizza |
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| 17:38.54 | ``Erik | grooves to regina spektor |
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| 17:58.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34326 10/brlcad/trunk/include/nmg.h: looks like indent is messing with some of the defines, reindent. also a few other minor tweaks for consistency and null out the NMG_FREESTRUCT pointer after it's free for sanity too. |
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| 18:27.52 | dreeves | waives at brlcad and starseeker |
| 18:29.14 | dreeves | ~logs |
| 18:29.15 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 18:54.34 | brlcad | howdy dreeves |
| 18:58.16 | dreeves | I have been very preoccupied with a project but should be freeing up in the next day or two then maybe we can make some more progress I see you all have added some more test data thanks!! |
| 18:58.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34327 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: align the closing scope with the define macro |
| 19:19.45 | starseeker | hey dreeves |
| 19:33.11 | starseeker | brlcad: Are there any worthwhile open source SIMD abstraction libraries out there? |
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| 19:50.21 | elena | hi. |
| 19:50.57 | starseeker | howdy |
| 19:51.04 | elena | how are you? |
| 19:51.12 | starseeker | well. yourself? |
| 19:51.18 | elena | fine. |
| 19:51.59 | elena | do you have some spare time now? |
| 19:52.04 | starseeker | sure |
| 19:52.42 | elena | can we talk about the project plan? |
| 19:53.12 | starseeker | yep. |
| 19:53.18 | elena | great! |
| 19:53.39 | elena | where do we start? |
| 19:54.02 | starseeker | do you have a wiki page with your proposal? |
| 19:54.07 | elena | yes. |
| 19:54.09 | elena | 1 sec. |
| 19:55.04 | elena | http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:EBautu |
| 19:57.49 | starseeker | I guess the main question at the moment is what features are needed/desired? |
| 19:59.36 | elena | ``Erik mentioned a rating system. |
| 19:59.46 | ``Erik | wakes up |
| 20:01.09 | ``Erik | oh, yeah, I figure the point is a community, there'll be both spammers as well as well meaning folk who simply produce crap... |
| 20:01.21 | elena | basiclly, browse for models, search, and upload models. |
| 20:02.38 | starseeker | right - there are some fairly obvious core capabilities without which there is no site. The most important is the model -> web-ready information capabilities |
| 20:03.37 | starseeker | I would say that the user interaction modes are orthogonal to the "handle CAD models" core functionality |
| 20:04.00 | brlcad | personally (and open to debate) I'd like the site to effectively counter abuse in a manner similar to most wikis |
| 20:04.04 | brlcad | that is .. make it easier to remove the content than it is to add it, use recaptcha for anonymous submissions, and provide a strong feedback loop (like cia and/or e-mail notifications on changes) |
| 20:04.19 | starseeker | agrees |
| 20:04.28 | starseeker | recaptcha is a must |
| 20:04.47 | ``Erik | no, recaptcha is NOT a must |
| 20:04.55 | ``Erik | a strong community is a must |
| 20:05.17 | elena | i think we should not allow anonymous submissions. |
| 20:05.30 | starseeker | ``Erik: I would contend that a strong basis of good quality models will attract a community |
| 20:05.45 | elena | the least you can do is create an account if you want to submit something. |
| 20:06.02 | starseeker | my concern with anonymous submissions is being sure that they aren't (say) something from a company's commercial files |
| 20:06.17 | brlcad | elena: put a lot of thought into that particular topic -- there's a reason to allow it |
| 20:06.17 | ``Erik | hackernews (http://news.ycombinator.com) has an aggressive moderation community, reddit.com does not... slashdot uses a designated coop |
| 20:06.40 | brlcad | that's not to say unchecked submissions -- but to allow them with extra effort |
| 20:06.41 | ``Erik | this is a topic that has a lot of random experimentation and little proof |
| 20:08.03 | brlcad | specifically with regards to starseeker's point, *any* submission should have a cited source and the submission process allowing that source to be specified |
| 20:08.54 | starseeker | I would suggest solving the technical problems of CAD model -> web page is the first order of business - how those tools are used is (obviously) more complicated from a social standpoint |
| 20:09.29 | ``Erik | argues that there is no technical solution to a social issue |
| 20:09.48 | brlcad | if the claim is "I made this", then anonymous wouldn't be allowed -- but if some random user found the openmoko model and wanted to add it to the db, nothing should prevent that contribution presuming it's properly cited (and probably manually reviewed) |
| 20:09.58 | starseeker | ok - but we're doing a gsoc project here, so shouldn't the focus be on concrete functionality? |
| 20:10.18 | starseeker | brlcad: ok, that makes sense |
| 20:10.54 | ``Erik | but is the essense o fthe project to create a pile of code? or is it ot begin developing a community? |
| 20:11.07 | starseeker | I would say it's the former |
| 20:11.43 | starseeker | without the former, the latter isn't practical |
| 20:11.49 | brlcad | I'd rather the system be set up as open as possible, and just make it easy to correct and respond to bad use (think wikipedia not journal submission) |
| 20:11.56 | ``Erik | *shrug* I personally believe it's a critical discriminating point |
| 20:12.14 | brlcad | ``Erik: developing the community is our job :) |
| 20:12.39 | ``Erik | I kinda think the point of any software is to support a community, to develope a piece of software with no appreciation of a community is ... pointless |
| 20:12.43 | brlcad | the project is about writing code and becoming a contributor |
| 20:13.05 | brlcad | those aren't orthogonal goals |
| 20:13.09 | ``Erik | and now; I walk like an egyption. *dance* |
| 20:13.23 | starseeker | blinks |
| 20:13.48 | brlcad | elena: so I mentioned this earlier when you weren't around but just in case... |
| 20:13.54 | brlcad | please do keep in mind a few things: 1) conversations should be public, 2) mentoring should similarly be public especially technical discussions, and 3) your listed mentor is predominantly for logistically tracking your progress -- i.e., they're not your "go-to" person for technical discussions -- those really should be open forums (here and/or irc) where any/other devs can at least listen in |
| 20:13.54 | ``Erik | whoa ohh whoahh ohh woohhha ohh wohhh ohh whoaahhhh |
| 20:14.29 | brlcad | mm, and that should have read (here and/or mailing list) ;) |
| 20:14.31 | elena | ok. I know that. |
| 20:14.37 | brlcad | elena: okay, just making sure :) |
| 20:14.50 | brlcad | sometimes a critical piece of information slips through.. makes all the difference |
| 20:14.51 | elena | thank you. |
| 20:15.02 | brlcad | trying to make sure everyone gets the same information this year :) |
| 20:15.17 | brlcad | the channel /topic is useful too ;) |
| 20:15.56 | starseeker | has a question - is the intent to recognize the file format being provided, or to rely on the user to identify the format? |
| 20:16.41 | elena | I didn't do it before, but we could try to recognize the file format. |
| 20:16.49 | elena | using some magic bytes maybe? |
| 20:17.32 | elena | or simpler, it's file extension (not sure how general is that)... |
| 20:17.36 | brlcad | to me, the heart of that project from a task perspective is the ability to upload a .g file (for starters) with annotated metadata, and then visualize that model categorized through the website (raytrace renderings along with more fundamental information like file types, object counts, sizes, dates, license, etc) |
| 20:18.37 | brlcad | it doesn't need to recognize -- there's only a limited set of types |
| 20:18.52 | brlcad | have a selector on upload that specifies the type, then it can be named anything |
| 20:19.11 | elena | ok. that's even simpler :) |
| 20:19.14 | brlcad | could still have the uploader require a consistent naming convention too |
| 20:20.45 | brlcad | elena: what would your preference be in terms of scope -- more focus on conversion capability or more focus on the site index itself? |
| 20:21.25 | elena | what do you mean by "site index"? |
| 20:23.03 | brlcad | the site browsability, the web interface itself |
| 20:23.26 | elena | aaha. |
| 20:23.40 | brlcad | as much as there are lots of potential ideas where this can/will go, there's simply not enough time, so narrowing that scope would be good |
| 20:24.08 | elena | usability is importanta, but i'd like to focus on conversion, too. |
| 20:24.34 | elena | conversion will require me to learn more about brlcad. |
| 20:24.40 | elena | not you, the software :D |
| 20:24.40 | brlcad | e.g. making the front-end framework really easy to use and well organized vs having support for tracking versions of files vs having support for importing/exporting various formats cleanly vs rendering views vs rating/karma system vs robust metadata support, etc |
| 20:24.53 | brlcad | the dash makes all the difference ;) |
| 20:24.56 | brlcad | brlcad vs brl-cad ;) |
| 20:26.33 | elena | i'd go with support import/export, then rating, then rendering, then easy to use, metadata, etc. |
| 20:26.59 | brlcad | now the all-important question -- why? :) |
| 20:26.59 | elena | not sure about the last one. it might be higher weighted. |
| 20:27.36 | elena | import/export is important. without it we have no content. |
| 20:27.39 | brlcad | I can say that clear licensing is a top-priority regardless and that has a little bit to do with metadata |
| 20:28.08 | brlcad | without the licensing sorted out, most of the other features are moot |
| 20:28.21 | brlcad | not complicated, but critical |
| 20:28.22 | elena | rating is important (Erik is right that people may upload bad stuff, by mistake or willingly). |
| 20:28.44 | starseeker | barring a flood of content site admins can address that manually |
| 20:29.20 | starseeker | free CAD models are currently fairly rare |
| 20:29.25 | brlcad | a review queue solves that, similar to drupals comment moderation system |
| 20:29.29 | elena | then I'd say that licensing implies registred users for submissions. |
| 20:29.40 | elena | not necesary to say I made this. |
| 20:29.48 | elena | but to say I put this here. |
| 20:30.21 | brlcad | depends entirely on the source and the license |
| 20:30.25 | elena | it's not necesary for flood. |
| 20:30.40 | elena | but let's say I find 10 models of a cup. |
| 20:30.58 | brlcad | okay |
| 20:31.14 | elena | I'd like to get an idea of other though about them before I start downloading them. |
| 20:31.47 | brlcad | no comprendo |
| 20:31.49 | elena | i, myself, I'd always start with the highest rated ones. |
| 20:32.15 | starseeker | oh, you're talking about a user sorting site content |
| 20:32.32 | elena | yes. sorry, was related to rating and flooding. |
| 20:33.33 | brlcad | rating is simply a means to filter/sort site content -- with the right browsing and searching mechanisms, those aren't necessarily that important; moreover using filtering/searching on top of bad browsing is still usually a horrible user experience |
| 20:34.07 | brlcad | the unfiltered browsing needs to be well organized by itself regardless of searching/filtering aids |
| 20:34.31 | brlcad | a really good example site related to this is freshmeat.net |
| 20:34.42 | starseeker | sourceforge's system of filters might also be worth mentioning here - you can (for example) filter out all search results that don't match a particular license |
| 20:35.10 | elena | I was thinking more of http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ |
| 20:35.28 | brlcad | freshmeat has evolved into a rather feature-filled system, but it's core browsability remains efficient even with tens of thousands of projects |
| 20:36.18 | starseeker | elena: the trick with rating systems like that is they tend to highlight the "coolest" items |
| 20:36.23 | brlcad | yeah, that's not bad -- pretty similar |
| 20:36.50 | starseeker | for technical searching, my first order of business is to limit the search space to the "must haves" - license being the obvious one |
| 20:36.53 | elena | yes. coolest is not always the best. |
| 20:37.19 | brlcad | my point earlier was scope though -- there's not nearly enough time to "support import/export, then rating, then rendering, then easy to use, metadata, etc" .. the point is (at least for this summer), what to leave out |
| 20:37.34 | elena | btw, what drupal version is on brl-cad.org? |
| 20:37.56 | brlcad | I'd say rating/sorting is one to leave out .. searching and basic browsing would come first |
| 20:38.06 | brlcad | elena: a version that needs to be upgraded :) |
| 20:38.06 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah |
| 20:38.25 | starseeker | agreed - that's why I figured code dealing directly with the cad files was first up |
| 20:38.51 | starseeker | which I guess is import/export and metadata |
| 20:38.53 | elena | agree. |
| 20:39.28 | brlcad | import/export for any geometry type or just .g files (for now)? |
| 20:39.39 | starseeker | would say .g files... |
| 20:40.09 | elena | how about import for g, export multiple types? |
| 20:40.24 | elena | i played just a little with the conversion tools. |
| 20:40.48 | elena | it looked to me that I could used them to convert one to another. |
| 20:40.50 | starseeker | probably want to go the other way, actually - ending up with the .g file, at least BRL-CAD can read it :-) |
| 20:40.56 | elena | but you know better. |
| 20:41.33 | starseeker | the conversion tools can do a lot, but they have their limitations |
| 20:41.45 | elena | yeah. it make more sense that way :) |
| 20:41.51 | brlcad | elena: the issue is that almost every time you convert geometry from format A to format B, it's a lossy conversion (nearly universal to the point of being universal to the CAD industry) |
| 20:42.19 | brlcad | our importers often preserve everything or nearly everything, but our exporters most certainly do not for many formats |
| 20:42.34 | elena | yes. I know. but how lossy is it? |
| 20:42.35 | brlcad | and many formats simply cannot represent various forms of geometry |
| 20:42.40 | brlcad | night and day |
| 20:42.51 | brlcad | fundamentally different representation schemes |
| 20:42.58 | brlcad | not like jpg vs png |
| 20:43.20 | starseeker | elena: sometimes very lossy. that's why you want to always preserve the original submitted format |
| 20:43.39 | elena | got it. |
| 20:43.45 | brlcad | difference is more like text file vs screenshot of text file |
| 20:44.02 | starseeker | even something like Pro-E -> IGES is likely to lose information - Pro-E -> dxf is guaranteed to since dxf can't hold a lot of what Pro-E uses |
| 20:46.09 | elena | then, it's export/import .g or export .g/import many+keep original? |
| 20:46.23 | elena | what's your oppinion? |
| 20:46.23 | brlcad | consider a simple sphere -- we could represent that same sphere in at least five different ways: 1) as a point+radius, 2) as a 2D outline of a circle that is rotated about an axis, 3) as a collection of polygons approximating the surface, 4) as one or more spline surfaces, 5) as a volumetric data set, ... |
| 20:46.59 | elena | yes. you're right. |
| 20:47.14 | brlcad | and brl-cad actually supports all five of those particular representations... :) |
| 20:47.23 | elena | and I've seen this when created an .g object database and exported to triangles. |
| 20:47.39 | brlcad | yet a given export format usually does not -- many export formats only support polygons or triangles for example |
| 20:47.42 | brlcad | exactly |
| 20:47.53 | starseeker | start with export/import .g, imho. Once that's working, more formats can be added |
| 20:49.03 | starseeker | the original format of the model is an important fact to preserve in the metadata (probably the second most important after license) |
| 20:49.16 | elena | ok. |
| 20:49.35 | starseeker | but you should preserve that information for .g files too ;-) |
| 20:49.41 | starseeker | so no harm starting there |
| 20:50.31 | brlcad | and the users can always install our tools and convert to .g if they really want to :) |
| 20:50.44 | brlcad | but that does bring up another point about the site interface |
| 20:51.06 | brlcad | I'd really like it to talk about what format the geometry is or at least what types of geometry are contained |
| 20:51.18 | brlcad | so that if it's 100% triangles, the site will say so |
| 20:51.21 | elena | "users can always install our tools and convert to .g if they really want to" correct! |
| 20:51.51 | brlcad | likewise, a special flag to note whether it's a solid model or not |
| 20:52.27 | ``Erik | convert from, rather? |
| 20:52.42 | brlcad | for .g, the answers to that metadata is pretty simple (there's only 3 primitive types we support that aren't solid) |
| 20:54.56 | elena | is there a tools that gives this information? I don't recall one. |
| 20:55.09 | elena | like some kind on statistics. |
| 20:55.16 | brlcad | mged can |
| 20:57.55 | brlcad | another thing I think will be critical is queueing -- uploaded geometry gets queued for addition, views are queued for rendering, conversions are queued, etc |
| 20:58.31 | brlcad | so that the system can be taken down or manually prodded without interrupting jobs or without locking up resources |
| 20:59.01 | elena | I think so, too. |
| 20:59.30 | ``Erik | if a tool does not exist, it will shortly after notification that it should :) |
| 20:59.37 | brlcad | geometry uploads are going to be generally be very big (possibly hundreds of megs), renderings and conversions are going to take potentially minutes or hours |
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| 21:00.05 | brlcad | yeah, we can make tools as needed to in order to facilitate the site |
| 21:00.32 | elena | really?! I didn't expect geometry files that big. :( |
| 21:00.55 | brlcad | they can be anywhere from a few bytes to a GB or more, depending on the model |
| 21:01.03 | brlcad | we'll just have to manually limit the sizes |
| 21:01.05 | elena | probably that says a lot of my experience :) |
| 21:01.12 | ``Erik | we deal with files that gobble mulpiple gigs on drive :( |
| 21:02.03 | brlcad | not that any of *those* would ever be uploaded, but it's not inconceivable that the system will grow to support large models (they are often the most interesting after all) |
| 21:02.15 | elena | uploading those might be a problem. |
| 21:02.20 | elena | for the user. |
| 21:02.32 | elena | aha. |
| 21:02.34 | brlcad | hence the need for a queue and (ideally), multiple upload methods |
| 21:02.41 | ``Erik | gotta think towards future-rpoofing, though |
| 21:02.47 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:03.44 | brlcad | e.g., could easily support anonymous ftp uploads ala sf.net's former file release system |
| 21:04.16 | brlcad | you upload your model via anon ftp, then select your file from a list |
| 21:04.35 | brlcad | could do similar things with sftp/scp |
| 21:04.42 | ``Erik | I mean, starseeker is making tires that cork hard drives, yet he still can't get my tread right :D |
| 21:04.44 | starseeker | have to be careful about restricting that so it isn't abused, but yes that could work |
| 21:05.03 | starseeker | ``Erik: whatda mean? my tires are tiiiiny |
| 21:05.12 | starseeker | 27k for the default with tread, iirc |
| 21:05.18 | ``Erik | where's my effin' tread? |
| 21:05.24 | brlcad | "sphflake -d8" is enough to make a model that will fill most hard drives :) |
| 21:05.47 | brlcad | tread's off by default |
| 21:05.51 | ``Erik | much less brlcad's! |
| 21:06.01 | starseeker | waiting on a fix for the major/minor axis assumptions in that weird dimensional case, iirc |
| 21:06.29 | starseeker | yeah - I regard tire -p 1 as the "default" treaded example |
| 21:06.32 | ``Erik | I'm still not sure if my fronts are being replaced by all seasons or not |
| 21:07.00 | starseeker | elena: anyway - is this helpful in narrowing your focus? |
| 21:07.16 | elena | yes. very. |
| 21:07.30 | ``Erik | well, damn, I'm doing my best to UNnarrow here :D |
| 21:07.38 | elena | however, I'll copy it and read it again tomorow to filter it out. |
| 21:07.50 | elena | :) |
| 21:07.54 | starseeker | heh |
| 21:08.15 | elena | is this chat logged? |
| 21:08.16 | ``Erik | mannies does soem good lasagna |
| 21:08.20 | ``Erik | yeah, uh |
| 21:08.23 | starseeker | ~log |
| 21:08.23 | ibot | methinks log is as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation, or http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ |
| 21:08.53 | brlcad | ~logs |
| 21:08.53 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 21:08.58 | starseeker | showoff |
| 21:10.08 | starseeker | Ralith: heh - speaking of native Haiku web browsing - looks like a gsoc project will integrate webkit into the native Haiku browser. You might get your updated browsing experience fairly soon :-) |
| 21:10.47 | brlcad | BeOS's old web browser was pretty hilarious -- which is where 'Haiku' got its name |
| 21:11.20 | starseeker | What was that called. Netcrawler or something? |
| 21:11.39 | brlcad | if a page wasn't there, it would give you a haiku |
| 21:11.41 | brlcad | netpositive |
| 21:11.46 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 21:11.50 | starseeker | oh yeah, I remember that |
| 21:12.07 | ``Erik | there is no page here |
| 21:12.07 | ``Erik | I tried real hard to find one |
| 21:12.07 | ``Erik | but there was none here |
| 21:12.07 | starseeker | got a lot of those things - getting browsing up for a virtual machine is still a trick for me |
| 21:12.08 | brlcad | http://8325.org/haiku/ |
| 21:13.11 | starseeker | wishes in some ways that Microsoft had bought BeOS after Apple dropped it and turned it into the next version of Windows |
| 21:13.23 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.26 | starseeker | would have been a way to get a nice Windows |
| 21:13.33 | ``Erik | some of thos eare brilliant |
| 21:13.54 | brlcad | rewrote low-level threading support so that it would cleanly support 10,000 threads multiplex seamlessly |
| 21:14.00 | starseeker | jeez |
| 21:14.19 | starseeker | does Haiku manage any of that yet? |
| 21:14.20 | brlcad | hilarious dev articles |
| 21:14.32 | brlcad | a few things, but not much yet |
| 21:14.43 | brlcad | they've had a mountain to climb just to reproduce the old api |
| 21:14.52 | brlcad | s/reproduce/reimplement/ |
| 21:14.56 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:14.59 | brlcad | without optimizations |
| 21:15.09 | starseeker | who bought the old BeOS code? |
| 21:15.13 | starseeker | Palm was it? |
| 21:15.22 | brlcad | basically |
| 21:15.32 | starseeker | doesn't understand why they're still sitting on it |
| 21:15.33 | brlcad | there were some proprietary licensed portions too |
| 21:15.37 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:16.40 | brlcad | even if they could give away some of the code, they'd be suceptible to shareholder lawsuit |
| 21:16.52 | starseeker | mmm |
| 21:16.54 | starseeker | that sucks |
| 21:17.03 | brlcad | long threads about the be code |
| 21:17.12 | brlcad | lots of folks wanted it |
| 21:17.24 | starseeker | remembers a few abortive attemps to buy it ala blender style, but those never went anywhere either |
| 21:17.29 | brlcad | one even tried (illegally apparently), which is where Zeta OS came from |
| 21:18.35 | starseeker | oh, yeah. I had forgotten them |
| 21:19.02 | starseeker | never made any sense to me - it was clear if the OS was going to have any chance at gaining mind share it would have to be as open source |
| 21:20.22 | starseeker | brlcad: oh, bty - know of any portable open source SIMD abstraction layers? |
| 21:22.09 | brlcad | there are a few projects related to abstraction, but it's pretty low level effort |
| 21:22.43 | starseeker | ah. So, not likely to be terribly useful? |
| 21:22.51 | brlcad | more work designing the algorithms themselves and they're very closely tuned to cache sizes, the algorithm at hand, and the capabilities of the unit |
| 21:29.29 | brlcad | there's projects like gcc's automatic vectorization and other more spansive projects like OpenGL |
| 21:29.36 | brlcad | or the variety of GPGPU libraries |
| 21:30.28 | brlcad | cuda, libsh, brookgpu |
| 21:30.32 | starseeker | was just asking because these raytracing guys seem to like SIMD if they want decent performance on anything... |
| 21:31.33 | brlcad | guys? |
| 21:31.41 | brlcad | context? |
| 21:31.53 | starseeker | the Direct raytracing of NURBS paper |
| 21:31.59 | brlcad | ah, right |
| 21:32.08 | brlcad | very much required to get the performance they were getting |
| 21:32.25 | brlcad | some of that was stubbed in for sse2 |
| 21:32.53 | brlcad | include/vector*.h |
| 21:33.24 | starseeker | OK, so we will need to do it ourselves then |
| 21:34.31 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 21:34.38 | starseeker | needs to dig into this "create a tree of bounding boxes" step |
| 21:34.53 | starseeker | not clear why the performance was so bad on the openbook model |
| 21:34.56 | brlcad | the closest you could probably get as a general system would be something like opencl, but it's not clear what that would imply dependencywise |
| 21:35.23 | brlcad | would think you'd need to understand that before making a decision on how to improve it ;) |
| 21:35.34 | starseeker | exactly |
| 21:36.02 | starseeker | you're referring to Khronos Group's OpenCL? |
| 21:36.42 | brlcad | yes |
| 21:36.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34328 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: more consistency cleanup |
| 21:37.04 | ``Erik | hronos is still around? |
| 21:37.35 | brlcad | very much so |
| 21:37.37 | starseeker | well, at least the license looks reasonable |
| 21:38.00 | brlcad | have a pretty big presense at siggraph each year |
| 21:38.15 | ``Erik | wow, I thought they'd died off in the late 90's |
| 21:38.56 | brlcad | opencl is also slated to be included in Mac OS X 10.6 so there are expectations that library may take off in a big way |
| 21:40.02 | brlcad | starseeker: dependencywise, I meant more what they take to be managed as a dependency, like build issues, how well it actually works, whether it's a special compilation pass or simply a library link, it's longevity and portability, etc |
| 21:40.14 | brlcad | it'd certainly require algorithm/code rewrites regardless |
| 21:40.16 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:51.29 | elena | i'll go now. thank you all for your help. bye. |
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| 22:29.53 | brlcad | was just the victim of a hit n' run |
| 22:30.21 | madant | brlcad: seriously ? |
| 22:30.27 | brlcad | dammit, really need to have video cameras installed |
| 22:30.29 | brlcad | madant: yeah |
| 22:30.47 | madant | damn |
| 22:30.59 | brlcad | minor damage, but seriously infuriating |
| 22:31.05 | brlcad | as I think it was intentional |
| 22:31.15 | madant | you are ok right ? |
| 22:31.28 | brlcad | yeah, it's to the car, not me |
| 22:31.41 | madant | aah. ok.. |
| 22:32.21 | madant | no way to find out what happened or who did it ? |
| 22:32.24 | brlcad | I heard a large truck backing up (the sort that beeps) and then take off fast, which made me look out the window .. and I saw the damage |
| 22:33.25 | madant | hmm. that sucks .. insurance would cover the repairs etc. right ? |
| 22:33.31 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:33.56 | madant | some people are just evil :D |
| 22:34.25 | madant | just woke up all of a sudden at 4 am |
| 22:38.30 | madant | would the police be able to track them ? you are filing a complaint right ? i have no idea how the system works in US . |
| 22:42.43 | Ralith | starseeker: that must have been what I read to lodge the idea in the first place |
| 22:43.19 | Ralith | brlcad: I'm kind of sad that that sort of error's mostly absent in the modern world of software |
| 22:43.44 | Ralith | yeah, it's only really practical when the user understands and can intuit what's wrong anyway, but it just sounds fun. |
| 22:44.44 | brlcad | madant: already filed and have the report, but nothing they can really do about it given no eye witness |
| 22:45.24 | Ralith | brlcad: oh damn :/ |
| 22:45.29 | Ralith | glad the damage is minor. |
| 22:45.34 | Ralith | and insured. |
| 22:53.33 | madant | hmm. yeah you should implement the camera idea.. |
| 23:00.21 | brlcad | Ralith: what sort of error? |
| 23:00.43 | brlcad | a little out of context and not thinking clearly at the moment to follow that response |
| 23:01.31 | Ralith | haiku 404s |
| 23:01.36 | Ralith | er, DNS failures |
| 23:01.39 | Ralith | or whatever that error was. |
| 23:01.52 | Ralith | netpositive's |
| 23:02.21 | brlcad | ahh |
| 23:02.28 | brlcad | okay, yeah, that makes more sense now :) |
| 23:03.13 | brlcad | it was generally an alternative (or in addition) to returning "Error: 404 Page not found" .. which is arguably just as cryptic :) |
| 23:06.51 | Ralith | yeah, but familiar, and standard. |
| 23:07.00 | Ralith | in addition would be cool. |
| 23:07.16 | Ralith | is of the opinion that the software world would be a nicer place if humor abounded more freely in released products |
| 23:41.10 | starseeker | Ralith: you mean Windows isn't a joke? |
| 23:41.26 | Ralith | :P |
| 23:41.43 | Ralith | it is, but sarcasm so extreme that it fools most of the world isn't my kind of humor. |
| 23:41.51 | starseeker | brlcad: crap - sorry to hear about the car :-( |
| 23:41.58 | starseeker | Ralith: ah |
| 23:42.17 | Ralith | "Oh yeah, *this* is a real OS! It's *exactly* what you need!" |
| 23:44.44 | brlcad | eep, /tmp: out of inodes |
| 23:44.55 | Ralith | that sounds bad |
| 23:48.19 | brlcad | yeah.. especially since I don't think it's 'actually' out of inodes |
| 23:48.42 | Ralith | :| |
| 23:48.45 | Ralith | that sounds *really* bad then |
| 23:49.47 | brlcad | hmm.. that's not a root filesystem though.. might be able to fix that one |
| 23:50.51 | Ralith | well, it is /tmp; couldn't you just boot a livecd and nuke it? |
| 23:51.56 | brlcad | eh, this is a dedicated server sitting down in florida |
| 23:52.01 | brlcad | maybe after a 20 hour drive :) |
| 23:52.13 | madant | heh :P |
| 23:55.19 | Ralith | that does indeed make things harder. |
| 23:55.38 | Ralith | perhaps some cleverness with a temporary symlink to a dir on the root fs while you unmount and nuke it? |
| 23:56.21 | Ralith | I can imagine lots of things going wrong in the instant between deletion and symlink creation, though |
| 23:56.33 | Ralith | then again, they're probably going wrong anyway if the FS is borked. |
| 00:12.03 | Ralith | brlcad: uh, might this be the brlcad.org server? 'cuz I can't load it |
| 00:12.04 | Ralith | pings, though. |
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| 00:36.13 | brlcad | fsck in progress, connectivity intermittent (and it required a reboot) |
| 00:37.11 | Ralith | O.o |
| 00:39.58 | brlcad | that unmount of /tmp was very bad :) |
| 00:40.19 | pacman87 | so that's where my screen went... |
| 00:40.42 | brlcad | yeah, all services seized up .. not just the screen sessions |
| 00:41.41 | brlcad | which is really odd -- the mount point itself would have remained and fallen back to the root fs |
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| 00:43.29 | pacman87 | although i still haven't found a way to send pgup/pgdn |
| 00:52.46 | madant | is doing an fsck on his system too |
| 00:53.03 | madant | is doing fsck on his system too |
| 01:00.50 | Ralith | pacman87: did you try my suggestion a while back? |
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| 01:01.49 | poolio | brlcad: server all fixed? :P |
| 01:01.55 | pacman87 | about pgup/pgdn? |
| 01:05.37 | Ralith | yes |
| 01:07.05 | pacman87 | i think i did, but i don't remember which suggestion was yours |
| 01:07.49 | Ralith | had to do with some config file |
| 01:08.40 | pacman87 | xmodmap? |
| 01:09.18 | Ralith | don't think so |
| 01:09.21 | Ralith | something in /etc |
| 01:09.29 | pacman87 | inputrc? |
| 01:09.32 | Ralith | yeah |
| 01:10.10 | pacman87 | yeah, but i think i got the commands wrong |
| 01:10.19 | Ralith | I suggested doing "\e[whateverforkeyyouhave": "\e[whateverforpageuporpagedown" |
| 01:10.28 | pacman87 | since i successfully remapped F6 to print "F6" |
| 01:11.08 | pacman87 | i don't think that's the right syntax, but i'll try it |
| 01:11.22 | Ralith | well modify as appropriate |
| 01:11.40 | Ralith | but you said "\e[whateverforF6": "F6" worked |
| 01:11.46 | pacman87 | yes |
| 01:11.46 | Ralith | so I think this might, too |
| 01:11.54 | Ralith | 'cuz I'm pretty sure those are just POSIX escape sequences |
| 01:12.06 | pacman87 | tries |
| 01:12.30 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, u dod mention that there are better ways than those in nmg_junk |
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| 01:29.03 | pacman87_ | so that kind of worked, but not in irssi |
| 01:36.54 | brlcad | poolio: yeah, it required a reboot to fix an fs issue |
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| 01:47.13 | starseeker | that was weird |
| 01:49.11 | Ralith | pacman87: you could script irssi. |
| 01:49.29 | Ralith | in fact, I bet it might not be hard to just bind different keys to the scrolling function |
| 01:49.32 | Ralith | even if you have to hack the code |
| 01:58.19 | brlcad | starseeker: there was a reboot to fix a critical fs error on /tmp |
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| 02:13.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34331 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: fix a macro typo/bug where spaces were injected. move rt_sketch_ifree down with the other ifree bastages. |
| 02:29.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34332 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/proe-g.c: go through rt_get_functab_by_label() instead of calling rt_comb_ifree() directly. abstracts the call and eliminates need for header decl. |
| 02:40.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34333 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/raytrace.h src/librt/primitives/table.c): possibly don't need a public declaration of rt_comb_ifree(). still need a decl for a table entry. |
| 02:46.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34334 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/asc/asc2g.c: don't call the ifree() functions directly. use the functab interface so we don't need to export the symbols. |
| 02:47.24 | starseeker | brlcad: ah :-) |
| 02:47.31 | starseeker | yeah, that'll do it |
| 03:18.59 | PrezKennedyII | hey brlcad, if you need a nice sophisticated camera security system... FGS can do that for you ;) |
| 03:21.10 | Ralith | FGS? |
| 03:27.35 | PrezKennedyII | its where i work |
| 03:28.57 | PrezKennedyII | http://facchinaglobal.com/ - the website doesnt do us justice :) |
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| 09:01.46 | piksi | hm, is the 7.14.6 available somewhere? |
| 09:02.47 | brlcad | all public releases are available on sourceforge, http://sf.net/projects/brlcad |
| 09:03.02 | brlcad | we don't make binary releases for every version, though |
| 09:03.11 | brlcad | so you might have to compile, or use a previous binary release |
| 09:03.45 | brlcad | all releases are available in our subversion revision source control repository |
| 09:06.06 | piksi | ah, i was browsing the wrong view.. |
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| 09:58.18 | piksi | hmm, a lot of errors during configure about various makefiles ignoring the --datarootdir option |
| 10:07.45 | ``Erik | *readreadread* sucks about the car, dude :( /tmp out of inodes? huh, .... all the more reason to migrate? :) |
| 10:08.18 | ``Erik | there're a couple whines about datarootdir being ignored that we just take... um, like brlman is the one I usually notice being naughty |
| 10:08.40 | ``Erik | if you don't do anything weird, it won't hurt anything :) |
| 10:10.06 | ``Erik | 2 reboots? O.O at least we're still in 4 9's actual turf *sigh* |
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| 10:46.34 | d-lo | .who |
| 10:46.44 | d-lo | mernin all! |
| 10:56.06 | ``Erik | heh, ".who" even? :D |
| 11:04.12 | ``Erik | http://crit.brlcad.org:9090/dinreedit pheer. |
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| 11:31.10 | brlcad | ``Erik: just one |
| 11:31.36 | brlcad | oh right, the admin rebooted then couldn't bring it back up and rebooted again immediately |
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| 11:32.55 | ``Erik | c'mon, dude, I have the base system on the new machine all good, |
| 11:33.25 | ``Erik | I'll make the dns stuff work... we gotta migrate |
| 11:57.06 | brlcad | knows, /me knows |
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| 14:30.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34335 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch.c: ifree() is supposed to have a second argument for a struct resource pointer |
| 14:32.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34336 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c: another ifree missing its resource pointer and here we actually need it. call rt_sketch_ifree through the functab instead of directly so it's not an exposed public function. |
| 14:35.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34337 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp.c: dsp needs the second struct resource pointer too and hide rt_binunif_ifree() by calling through the functab. |
| 14:38.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34338 10/brlcad/trunk/src/external/Unigraphics/ug-g.c: hide rt_sketch_ifree(), call it via the functab. |
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| 14:46.41 | piksi | does brl use qt or gtk or plain x in linux? i should file a bug report for it not respecting the wm dpi :-/ the menu fonts are humongous |
| 14:58.15 | starseeker | piksi: tcl/tk |
| 14:58.41 | piksi | ok thanks |
| 14:59.01 | starseeker | it might be that the new ttk widgets do better about that - not sure |
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| 15:05.57 | brlcad | that's intentional, so it'd be a feature request at best |
| 15:06.52 | brlcad | the guy that works on the gui doesn't see small fonts very well, so he defaulted them big |
| 15:14.17 | piksi | ah |
| 15:14.29 | piksi | ok so, a feature request for adjusting font size then ? ;-) |
| 15:22.23 | brlcad | sure |
| 15:22.44 | brlcad | archer (mged's eventual replacement) has more sane font sizes |
| 15:23.04 | brlcad | plus for now, you can override and set your own font sizes for mged too |
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| 15:23.44 | piksi | that's nice, because imho almost any program should respect gui dpi + font size settings of the wm |
| 15:25.02 | brlcad | it arguably does in the sense that it's "large" with respect to that default wm font size |
| 15:25.10 | brlcad | i.e., it's relative |
| 15:25.42 | brlcad | and I completely understand, just pretty minor on the priority scale :) |
| 15:25.53 | piksi | :-) |
| 15:26.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34339 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (22 files in 21 dirs): a veritable buffet of ifree() changes to make sure the primitives have the right signature (with a resource pointer) and that calls are all made through the functab. |
| 15:27.00 | brlcad | especially given you can change it, can make it pink wingdings if you like |
| 15:38.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34340 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (11 files in 11 dirs): more struct resource parameters missing, should be all of them now |
| 15:40.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34341 10/brlcad/trunk/src/external/Unigraphics/ug-g.c: no longer using rt_sketch_ifree directly so remove decl |
| 15:41.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34342 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/BrlcadCore.def: should no longer need to export the ifree functions, they're not supposed to be exposed |
| 15:42.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34343 10/rt^3/trunk/src/superceded_GS/: Removed src/superceded_GS/. Old, outdated code. |
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| 15:57.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34344 10/rt^3/trunk/ (36 files in 9 dirs): Refactored src/GemeotryEngine -> src/GE and include/GeometryEngine -> include/GE |
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| 16:05.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34345 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (6 files in 4 dirs): last last round of ifree updates, make sure everyone passes the second argument. |
| 16:06.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34346 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (12 files): hide rt_comb_ifree() too even if it is a bit special. go through the functab like everyone else. |
| 16:25.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34347 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: should no longer need to export rt_comb_ifree, rt_dsp_ifree, rt_ebm_ifree, rt_vol_ifree, and rt_sketch_ifree as everyone should now be going through the functab |
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| 16:26.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34348 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/ (7 files in 7 dirs): no longer need to declare _RT_DECL_IFREE as there should be no public ifree funcs that need to be exported. |
| 16:28.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34349 10/rt^3/trunk/ (91 files in 14 dirs): Refactored src/GeometryService -> src/GS and include/GeometryService -> include/GS |
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| 16:32.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34350 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/hf/hf.c: big cleanup after #if havoc. now better. |
| 16:39.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34351 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ged_private.h: USE_RT_COMB_IFREE is no longer used/needed |
| 16:42.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34352 10/rt^3/trunk/ (31 files in 7 dirs): Moved io/ into GE/io/ |
| 17:19.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34353 10/rt^3/trunk/ (18 files in 17 dirs): Moved all src/lib* dirs into GE with the exception of libNetwork. |
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| 17:50.43 | d-lo | brlcad: What was the discussion about the src/GUI directories. Did we come to a consensus on how the Thin Client / GUI was going to be organized? |
| 18:06.30 | brlcad | the main consensus was that GUI didn't make sense |
| 18:07.40 | d-lo | so it was a terminolgy issue then. *couldn't remember* |
| 18:07.40 | brlcad | my take on it is to call that directory what it's eventually going to be called, but it's not a pressing need wrt naming conventions exactly what it's named |
| 18:07.50 | brlcad | more important that the scope be defined for that directory |
| 18:07.58 | brlcad | there was a couple suggestions |
| 18:08.27 | brlcad | one was either to just have applications be at the same level as the GS/GE, so src/whatever for the client |
| 18:09.06 | brlcad | alternative being to have an 'apps' dir, e.g. src/apps but then it's a bit incongruent with the apps that will be in other dirs |
| 18:09.35 | brlcad | my suggestion towards the name-it-what-it's-going-to-be was src/BRL-CAD or src/brlcad |
| 18:09.58 | brlcad | since that particular "app" is going to be 'the app' on top of all other apps |
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| 18:10.50 | brlcad | and will be the one that is installed as the double-clickable "one thing" that starts the system up (from the users' standpoint) |
| 18:14.15 | d-lo | hrm, so src/brlcad eh? |
| 18:14.26 | d-lo | sure, why not. :) |
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| 18:19.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34354 10/rt^3/trunk/ (34 files in 8 dirs): Moved src/exception -> src/GE/exception and include/exception/ -> include/GE/exception |
| 18:43.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34355 10/brlcad/trunk/ (17 files in 6 dirs): Added better support for editing arbs in Archer. |
| 19:48.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34356 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (5 files): Configure -geometryObjectPath for arb4, arb5, arb6 and arb7. |
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| 21:59.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r34357 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/typein.c: updated pnts primitive 'in' command, added skeleton logic to allow file input |
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| 00:11.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34358 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: good gravy nmgs render absurdly slow. order of magnitude. seems to get worse the bigger the smp too. included a lot of detail after investigating. |
| 00:15.12 | brlcad | can't believe his eyes.. rt_nmg_shot() .. are you serious? |
| 00:16.35 | ``Erik | heh, nmg_manifolds() ? |
| 00:17.10 | brlcad | no, look near the end of shot.. |
| 00:17.14 | ``Erik | or going through and verifying that it's a valid NMG before bothering to shoot? |
| 00:17.31 | ``Erik | "build table indicating"...? |
| 00:18.52 | brlcad | that's prep |
| 00:19.59 | ``Erik | oh heh :D wrong func |
| 00:20.25 | ``Erik | bu_calloc(), nifty |
| 00:20.40 | brlcad | per ray |
| 00:20.46 | brlcad | and the size isn't even dynamic |
| 00:20.51 | ``Erik | yeah, instead of grabbing some off the stack |
| 00:21.10 | brlcad | it's crazy, makes me think I have to be missing something |
| 00:22.01 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 00:22.08 | ``Erik | the size is dynamic |
| 00:22.25 | ``Erik | prep calculates a maximum possible number of hits |
| 00:22.38 | ``Erik | it should probably be allocated at prep and retained in the soltab or something |
| 00:22.40 | brlcad | per sho() it's not |
| 00:22.43 | brlcad | shot() |
| 00:22.52 | brlcad | I mean, it's not dynamic per ray |
| 00:22.56 | ``Erik | right, but it's not a compilable static |
| 00:22.57 | brlcad | it's fixed to the model size |
| 00:23.09 | brlcad | right, yeah, didn't mean that |
| 00:23.21 | ``Erik | rt_nmg_ialloc() is probably where it should be allocated (once) |
| 00:24.04 | ``Erik | but that'll run up the memory footprint :/ (shouldn't be an issue these days, but that might've been the thinking a the time) |
| 00:25.42 | brlcad | I know nmgs are second-class citizens, but it's really bad the way it is |
| 00:25.52 | brlcad | not any worse than it is now |
| 00:26.03 | ``Erik | huh? |
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| 00:26.17 | brlcad | it's calling that malloc per shot() which is per thread |
| 00:26.26 | brlcad | 8 threads, 8 callocs |
| 00:26.47 | brlcad | which explains why it's a freaking order of magnitude slower than bot |
| 00:26.48 | ``Erik | right... you kinda contradicted yourself there, though :D |
| 00:26.50 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad |
| 00:27.23 | brlcad | contradicted? perhaps misunderstood or wires crossed.. |
| 00:27.53 | ``Erik | oh, okie, ordering issue |
| 00:27.53 | brlcad | you said adding to rt_nmg_ialloc would run up the memory foot .. don't see how any change will run up the foot print |
| 00:27.56 | ``Erik | groks |
| 00:28.13 | brlcad | because it's already about worst case |
| 00:28.56 | brlcad | now the only question is whether that ray_data needs to have its own copy of the hitmiss table |
| 00:29.00 | ``Erik | if you have 100 nmgs in a scene, right now it allocates "big ugly" for each nmg in order, so "push pop push pop", if each holds its own from prep, it's push push pop pop |
| 00:29.24 | ``Erik | no? |
| 00:30.45 | brlcad | not sure how the rays interact with the model data exactly, but yeah that sounds like that is a possibility |
| 00:31.00 | ``Erik | and if ya have 1000 nmg's, each gobbling up a meg for the hit table, taht's a gig consumption *shrug* |
| 00:31.45 | brlcad | course right now.. if you have 100 nmgs.. that's 100 * width * height interleaved push/pops instead of just 100 |
| 00:32.48 | ``Erik | *shrug* I d'no what the common utilization is :) might be one of those things where ya just have to try it and see if it breaks |
| 00:32.49 | brlcad | 100 * width * height being just average too .. could be much worse (overlapping objects) |
| 00:33.14 | brlcad | either way, performance is absolutely abysmal on a simple sphere |
| 00:33.18 | ``Erik | is that mod a 'jr developer' task? |
| 00:33.24 | brlcad | make sph sph ; facetize -n sph.nmg sph |
| 00:35.19 | ``Erik | wonders if he's screwing up by trying to find and save these low hanging fruit tasks for new developers O.o |
| 00:39.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34359 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg.c: style consistency cleanup, ws, indent, comments. |
| 00:39.59 | brlcad | I wouldn't think this was one regardless |
| 00:40.45 | brlcad | mucking about in librt is rarely a simple task and should be "over tested" and done so carefully regardless of the change |
| 00:41.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34360 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg.c: didn't mean to sneak in that ray_data. |
| 00:44.49 | ``Erik | of course, mucho testing, but the change should be quite simple *shrug* |
| 00:47.38 | brlcad | i think your experience is blinding you, or we have very different thoughts on simple tasks |
| 00:49.02 | ``Erik | hm, I'm thinking folk who have a nontrivial background in C development but are new to BRL-CAD |
| 00:49.20 | brlcad | requires knowledge of optimization, profiling, testing, lots of librt (wtf is a hitmiss, what's a ray_data) to know what to change and how that will impact, to even know that shot() and prep() are and how they interact, etc |
| 00:50.15 | ``Erik | the poolios, not the irix64s :D *duck* |
| 00:50.28 | brlcad | then yeah, different level |
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| 00:51.08 | brlcad | I'm thinking someone with just a couple years coding experience at most, after intro C at a uni, maybe OO, maybe a couple projects |
| 00:51.42 | ``Erik | http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ is my mental model here |
| 00:51.51 | brlcad | something that doesn't generally require much planning or research |
| 00:52.02 | ``Erik | that's what the "junior kernel hacker TODO list" grew into |
| 00:52.33 | ``Erik | competency expected, but a mentor is assigned to help ease one into the twisted dark world of kernel development |
| 00:52.34 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:53.46 | brlcad | what they mean by junior is something else entirely |
| 00:54.07 | brlcad | someone not yet in the core, not yet proven, regardless of ability |
| 00:54.24 | brlcad | to me, the delineation is more about ability |
| 00:54.36 | brlcad | we have plenty of "simple" tasks |
| 00:54.40 | ``Erik | well, someone without a commit bit... core is more a guidance body than a development team |
| 00:55.20 | ``Erik | *shrug* depends on the target audience, I suppose :) BRL-CAD is not exactly a sophmore project |
| 00:56.13 | brlcad | it's not, but the point is that there are plenty of tasks that don't require more than freshman knowledge, tasks that would be immensely helpful |
| 00:56.22 | brlcad | but are time-consuming and low-priority |
| 00:57.07 | ``Erik | yeah, we had a list of tasks with both technical ability and effort required rated at some point, is that still floating around? |
| 00:57.23 | ``Erik | like a 1-5 scoring iirc |
| 00:57.33 | brlcad | yeah, it's in doc iirc, but it wasn't well organized |
| 00:57.38 | brlcad | or at least was |
| 00:57.51 | ``Erik | mebbe that's wiki meat |
| 00:58.03 | brlcad | probably really just need to add complexity to our todo list and expand it with more ideas |
| 00:58.11 | ``Erik | doc/ seems to elude a lot of people O:_) |
| 00:59.33 | ``Erik | (I've seen projects transpose characters in their URL to act as a screen, btu I don't wanna be 'that' project... *shrug*) |
| 00:59.43 | brlcad | another relevant project: http://janitor.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 01:00.52 | ``Erik | yeh, I d'no, :) we might not have the pool of interested people to make an effort like that time effective *shrug* I d'no |
| 01:01.11 | brlcad | more inline with ability in mind .. checking for consistent return codes, function name consistency, api completeness (if you have an alloc routine, you should have a free routine, etc), static functions, etc |
| 01:02.07 | ``Erik | heh, -Wall -Werror -W -ansi -pedantic |
| 01:02.13 | ``Erik | and valgrind, pheer |
| 01:02.28 | brlcad | yeah, see that is stuff just about anyone can hit up |
| 01:02.36 | brlcad | and really is a great way to get familiar and get started |
| 01:03.09 | brlcad | then tackling a simple project is probably the next step up |
| 01:03.58 | ``Erik | (if someone has more than 4 gigs on a 64b system, I'd kinda like to see someone stub a 4gb allocate in main() and fill the pages to verify we're 64b safe... I hav ea gut feeling that we use unsigned int when we should use void * or size_t) |
| 01:05.20 | ``Erik | I looked around your car and didn't see any damage, didja get it repaired already? |
| 01:06.13 | brlcad | nope, I just cleaned it up well |
| 01:06.24 | brlcad | it's on the front |
| 01:06.37 | ``Erik | hm, I did notice that wart growing out of your grill |
| 01:06.58 | ``Erik | didja get a 30 day fixit ticket? |
| 01:09.16 | ``Erik | 2 more weeks or so before I get mine back :( |
| 01:10.34 | poolio | ``Erik: hey now, hey now. |
| 01:10.48 | ``Erik | hey then, hey then O.o :D |
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| 01:12.56 | ``Erik | glares at doc/docbook/ some |
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| 01:16.37 | starseeker | ``Erik: now what'd it do? |
| 01:17.11 | ``Erik | too many directories with a single operation |
| 01:17.18 | starseeker | yeah, agreed |
| 01:17.37 | starseeker | needs to fix that... |
| 01:17.50 | starseeker | right after I figure out what I did with tire... |
| 01:17.59 | ``Erik | bought a dual core lappie, gets strusfrated when he's cpu blocked without cooking them both :D |
| 01:18.18 | starseeker | :-) |
| 01:20.17 | brlcad | ``Erik: no, they don't give fixits just fines |
| 01:20.44 | ``Erik | huh, lame, I was told that they give a fixit and 30 days to show it was done :/ |
| 01:21.00 | brlcad | testing it out, not really happy with it |
| 01:21.10 | ``Erik | half the cars in my cul de sac don't have front plates |
| 01:21.34 | ``Erik | given that a sheriff and state trooper live here and there's no issue, I'm under the impression that it's not a very enforced law |
| 01:21.41 | brlcad | said I was going to wait until I was stopped at least four of five times, that has already happened |
| 01:21.52 | brlcad | still putting in for an exemption request |
| 01:22.13 | brlcad | gets too much attention |
| 01:22.16 | ``Erik | it is an attention grabbing vehicle... |
| 01:22.31 | ``Erik | I'm sure it's just an excuse so they can look it over |
| 01:22.49 | brlcad | for most of them, it was |
| 01:22.58 | ``Erik | the sedate appearance is one of the things that drew me to the m3 |
| 01:23.00 | brlcad | warnings, wagging fingers, etc |
| 01:23.19 | brlcad | as they rubbed the drool off |
| 01:24.10 | brlcad | anyways, still trying to figure out a workable solution |
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| 01:25.58 | ``Erik | find a state that doesn't require a front plate? :D |
| 01:27.14 | brlcad | PA |
| 01:27.18 | brlcad | WVa |
| 01:28.01 | ``Erik | pa is doable, wv is a bit of a commute :D plus ya went and bought a house heh |
| 01:28.22 | ``Erik | shoulda bought a house up in pa with a garage, dude ;) *duck* |
| 01:29.02 | ``Erik | just imagine, you coulda started carpooling with ww when the rotational is over! |
| 01:29.41 | ``Erik | thinks he's getting his ass kicked tomorrow |
| 01:30.36 | brlcad | hell, I wouldn't move |
| 01:30.47 | brlcad | just get a residence address, enough for a license |
| 01:31.03 | brlcad | PA would drive me insane, not for me |
| 01:31.17 | brlcad | I'd take no garage over that any day |
| 01:34.13 | ``Erik | you don't HAVE to become amish to live in pa, y'know... it helps, but it's not mandatory... :D |
| 01:35.24 | brlcad | nope, I'm a city bug |
| 01:35.50 | ``Erik | philly isn't a city? :D |
| 01:36.10 | brlcad | has a lot of good rowing |
| 01:36.17 | ``Erik | <-- likes to be near a city, but at the edge of suburbia where it turns into farmland |
| 01:37.07 | brlcad | I love knowing I can bike or even walk to just about anything that I need |
| 01:37.18 | brlcad | essentials, recreation, whatever |
| 01:37.31 | ``Erik | peaceful calm slow home life, but can drive down into the city to hit a show or whatever |
| 01:37.56 | brlcad | and dullards not all going to bed at 9pm, finding something more than taco bell open to eat at 3am |
| 01:38.23 | ``Erik | is old, woke up at 5am the last few days wtih no alarm :( |
| 01:38.34 | brlcad | so did I :P |
| 01:38.40 | ``Erik | can't be arsed to drive to denny's, but ... |
| 01:38.54 | ``Erik | I said am, not pm :D |
| 01:38.58 | brlcad | to each their own, it's just not what makes me happy |
| 01:39.05 | ``Erik | *nod* |
| 01:39.34 | ``Erik | I'm annoyed enough at hearing my neighbors here, *shrug* |
| 01:41.01 | yukonbob | hello, #brlcad |
| 01:42.17 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob |
| 01:42.38 | yukonbob | saw a funny bumper sticker other day "Honk if you're Amish" |
| 01:43.31 | yukonbob | contemplates reading 3-4 days of scrollback :P |
| 01:44.08 | ``Erik | there was a large amish community near springfield mo, the stores right on the road were ripoffs, but if you drive down the gravel roads for a bit, there was a totally awesome bulk store, good stuff :) |
| 01:46.44 | brlcad | tries a quick nmg hack |
| 01:46.58 | ``Erik | the memory thing? |
| 01:47.20 | ``Erik | had to distclean and autoreconf, too much crap has changed :/ |
| 01:47.27 | brlcad | damn, no different |
| 01:47.35 | ``Erik | starseeker: http://paste.lisp.org/display/79377 try not to laugh too hard |
| 01:52.10 | starseeker | urm. surprised there's no solution to the date thing already implemented |
| 01:52.39 | ``Erik | I looked around, couldn't find one... I just posted it to #ucw, haven't gotten my beatdown yet |
| 01:54.36 | ``Erik | http://crit.brlcad.org:9090/dinreedit is the result |
| 01:55.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34361 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: problem narrowed down even further. nmg hit/miss book keeping just sucks in a major way. quick test showed a tangible 3x increase, but will require a fair bit of restructuring. |
| 01:56.18 | yukonbob | notes "bookkeeping" is one word |
| 01:56.59 | brlcad | and book keeping it two words, it's late but not that late ;) |
| 01:57.16 | ``Erik | fight! fight! fight! |
| 01:57.17 | brlcad | keeps his books away from yukonbob |
| 01:57.42 | yukonbob | heh |
| 01:57.57 | yukonbob | was trying to parse that sentence and had to do double-take |
| 01:58.03 | yukonbob | (or is that doubletake?) |
| 01:58.20 | ``Erik | double::take; |
| 01:58.24 | yukonbob | heh |
| 01:58.36 | yukonbob | double take; |
| 01:58.51 | yukonbob | take = bookkeeping(); |
| 01:59.24 | ``Erik | allyourbookkeepingarebelongtome |
| 01:59.29 | ``Erik | Icanhasbookkeeping? |
| 01:59.40 | yukonbob | in soviet russia, books keep YOU! |
| 02:00.19 | ``Erik | y'know, he ended up in branson |
| 02:00.35 | ``Erik | about half an hour drive from where I used to live :) |
| 02:01.29 | ``Erik | someone really didn't like the ucw link O.O |
| 02:01.46 | ``Erik | (yet no one is adding links, bummer) |
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| 02:58.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: nice work with the lisp site! |
| 02:59.03 | starseeker | is jealous - ``Erik has actually made lisp do something useful |
| 03:08.45 | ``Erik | ô´heh |
| 03:10.03 | ``Erik | I'm an 80's coder... I code to get shit done, not to code... |
| 03:16.33 | Ralith | I code to cause jellied donuts to spontaneously appear. |
| 03:19.59 | ``Erik | see, that's the thing... back in THE DAY </reverb>, we didn't care of jellied donuts appeared... it was nice when they did, but that wasn't the goal |
| 03:22.51 | Ralith | if jellied donuts weren't the goal you were doing something wrong |
| 03:23.38 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:23.44 | ``Erik | don't make me stab you. |
| 03:24.09 | Ralith | I've got powdered sugar and I know how to use it! |
| 03:24.53 | PrezKennedy | heheh 80's coder |
| 03:25.16 | PrezKennedy | gettin shit done in FORTRAN :) |
| 03:28.02 | ``Erik | bitch, I will beat your ass down |
| 03:28.27 | ``Erik | C is a 60's language, LISP is a 50's language, scheme is a 70's language, ... |
| 03:28.52 | ``Erik | smalltalk is 70's, objc and c++ are early 80's |
| 03:30.00 | brlcad | yawns |
| 03:32.36 | ``Erik | tsa is old news... I don't think there has been any real advancement since around '85 or so :( |
| 03:51.19 | starseeker | stares at his ellipse equations and wonders why they heck they are working... |
| 03:52.55 | starseeker | oh |
| 03:52.57 | starseeker | right |
| 03:55.55 | PrezKennedy | ``Erik, you should program with a 90's language... like Java! ;) |
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| 04:55.11 | starseeker | hmm... these are going to be big enough and elaborate enough to need more room than I originally thought. |
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| 05:46.05 | madant | are things all right in california ? declaration of emergency has pretty bad connotations in india .. |
| 05:53.43 | madant | hope this swine flu episode ends pretty soon.. flus are such a pain in humanity's ass to control.. |
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| 06:06.43 | pacman87 | starseeker: what ellipse equations? |
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| 10:05.11 | madant | how mafm |
| 10:05.17 | madant | oops.. howdy :) |
| 10:11.48 | mafm | hai |
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| 12:07.13 | starseeker | pacman87: the ones solved by the tire tool |
| 12:08.55 | ``Erik | now make this tread: http://www.apothema.gr/files/productImages/pilot_sportPILOT%20SPORT.jpg |
| 12:08.56 | ``Erik | :D |
| 12:10.50 | alex_joni | ``Erik: http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/files/articles/auto_tire485.jpg |
| 12:11.56 | ``Erik | heh, the twheel, those're neat |
| 12:12.07 | alex_joni | nice to model ;) |
| 12:12.16 | ``Erik | tehre's a video where they slapped those on a high perfomrance mb |
| 12:12.23 | ``Erik | but they never showed it actually running, just slowly driving |
| 12:13.34 | alex_joni | http://www.geek24.com/g/twheel-airless-wheel-technology-from-michelin <- from 2006, it is kinda working I think |
| 12:13.48 | ``Erik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOSAQjCbXZE |
| 12:15.05 | ``Erik | wants to see what they do when put under extremes, like track driving |
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| 13:00.44 | ``Erik | *sigh* I made two collosal mistakes. 1) I read the comments on slashdot. 2) I looked up this 'boxxy' mentioned in a comment and now I am ... dain bramaged? |
| 13:01.36 | ``Erik | I THINK it's a parody, but it's ... |
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| 13:57.00 | ``Erik | the maddest ant of the all :D |
| 14:08.50 | madant | :P |
| 14:10.06 | ``Erik | them all, even |
| 14:54.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34362 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/rotate_arb_face.c: Handle special cases for arb4 and arb6. |
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| 16:28.22 | ``Erik | watches b5 |
| 16:31.51 | ``Erik | this is... actually... really bad... |
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| 17:40.26 | ``Erik | (alpha (beta)) == <alpha><beta></beta></alpha> ... |
| 17:40.34 | ``Erik | woops, wrong winder |
| 17:50.59 | brlcad | hello d_rossberg |
| 17:56.44 | d_rossberg | waves from home |
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| 18:00.09 | brlcad | happy Walpurgisnacht eve |
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| 18:03.15 | d_rossberg | :) it's the "Freinacht" in Bavaria |
| 18:04.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34363 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/CombEditFrame.tcl: Minor cleanup. |
| 18:04.40 | d_rossberg | and tomorrow our village gets a new maypole |
| 18:05.07 | d_rossberg | (sorry, i mean on May 1st) |
| 18:05.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34364 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (5 files): Added code for prompting the user for a rotation point when rotating an arb face. |
| 18:05.32 | brlcad | maypole? |
| 18:05.43 | brlcad | ahh |
| 18:05.48 | brlcad | interesting, never seen one |
| 18:06.00 | brlcad | well, maybe I have, but I certainly don't remember -- was too young |
| 18:07.41 | d_rossberg | they are very commonly here |
| 19:14.33 | pacman87 | hi d_rossberg |
| 19:33.00 | d_rossberg | hi pacman87 |
| 19:34.51 | d_rossberg | i'm your mentor again |
| 19:35.26 | pacman87 | so i've noticed :) |
| 19:35.28 | d_rossberg | but i think you know better than i what you have to do this GSoC |
| 19:35.40 | d_rossberg | ;) |
| 19:36.03 | pacman87 | i'll try to keep my dev log updated |
| 19:36.43 | d_rossberg | and maybe i can give some advices on higher order geometry |
| 20:10.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34365 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Catch calls to toggleTreePath to so that mRestoringTree gets set back to 0. |
| 20:17.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34366 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Override the kill command in ArcherCore in order to remove any edit panels associated with the object(s) being killed/deleted. Will need to look at other commands that kill/delete objects from the database. |
| 20:48.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34367 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/tire.c: |
| 20:48.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Add more detailed commentary on the precise nature of the constraints imposed to |
| 20:48.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: define the elliptical torus shapes in the tire tool. The equations don't make |
| 20:48.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: some of the sources of the constraints or the reasons they were used immediately |
| 20:48.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: apparent. |
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| 21:31.49 | starseeker | ``Erik: what are your tire dimensions again? |
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| 21:53.36 | starseeker | 255-40R18? |
| 23:09.19 | starseeker | brlcad: did something about rt_sketch_internal change? |
| 23:09.38 | starseeker | I'm betting a bad pointer crash on sketch.c line 1868 |
| 23:09.43 | starseeker | er getting |
| 23:34.55 | ``Erik | 255/40-18 |
| 23:35.13 | ``Erik | on the back, 225/45-18 up front |
| 23:35.26 | starseeker | WOULD be testing that, if the friggin thing wasn't bombing all of a sudden |
| 23:39.45 | starseeker | what the... |
| 23:39.53 | starseeker | ``Erik: do you have a recent compile? |
| 23:43.20 | starseeker | reverts - no time for this now |
| 00:54.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34368 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/tire.c: Try a different approach to getting the trimming cyl height for tread side clipping. |
| 00:55.09 | starseeker | ``Erik: see what that does for your tire dimensions |
| 00:55.35 | starseeker | here it seems to at least produce something reasonable, although I'm sure the tread is still not up to your standards |
| 01:00.37 | starseeker | begins to understand the fundamental limit on the tall and narrow tires - beyond a certain point, even the elliptical torus becomes self intersecting at the origin |
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| 01:25.50 | starseeker | brlcad: So the best way to count size is to figure out how much information is required to store the minimal number of parameters necessary to represent the various primitives, and then count? |
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| 02:40.17 | starseeker | brlcad: I see the report of faces as part of the opennurbs object summary, but it's not immediately clear how much information is really needed per face |
| 02:40.36 | starseeker | what's the best way to estimate something like that? |
| 02:41.19 | starseeker | each trim seems to need a fair bit of info, and the number of trims per face varies |
| 02:51.50 | starseeker | anybody know how to edit bots in mged? |
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| 03:26.23 | starseeker | attempts to work around the issue... |
| 03:27.26 | starseeker | <grin> tire creation in Rhino: http://www.toxiclab.org/tutorial.asp?ID=122 |
| 03:50.24 | starseeker | grr. ok, that's enough failed tesselations for one night. :/ |
| 04:07.21 | brlcad | starseeker: there have been a few sketch changes but nothing that should affect a RT_SKETCH_CK_MAGIC check |
| 04:14.50 | brlcad | and yes, you need a basic 'value' count per primitive type -- the implicits are a constant, bots are minimally constant*numfaces, sketches are (minimally) count of 2d points plus 4 |
| 04:15.02 | brlcad | e.g., eto looks to be 11 values |
| 04:17.31 | brlcad | a sphere would be 4 or 6 or 12 depending on how you count |
| 04:17.44 | brlcad | (4 for the sake of the poster) |
| 04:19.10 | brlcad | i think bots are simply 9*numtriangles |
| 04:23.42 | brlcad | for nurbs 'faces', if you find the approximate face count, we can probably determine a minimum bound (e.g., 12 per surface) |
| 04:25.02 | brlcad | you should be able to approximate the surface count |
| 04:25.20 | brlcad | (without having an actual count) |
| 05:08.08 | starseeker | counted faces for nurbs |
| 05:08.48 | starseeker | around 2562 |
| 05:09.28 | starseeker | for the default treaded tire |
| 05:10.21 | starseeker | assuming you don't break the tire surface up into individual chunks due to the tread |
| 05:12.44 | starseeker | the implicit model I'm coming up with 916, not counting the extrude needing the sketch name, the matricies used to rotate the tread pattern around the tire, or the combination storage |
| 05:13.50 | starseeker | triangles... I've got 2684 faces for the wheel, 11902 for a non-treaded tire (no wheel) and I'm still working on the tread |
| 05:14.36 | starseeker | should be easily over 20000 |
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| 07:32.13 | madant | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 07:32.21 | hippieindamakin8 | hey madant |
| 07:32.33 | madant | hows nmg hacking going |
| 07:32.37 | hippieindamakin8 | wassup ? i am finally done with the exams trying to work now :P |
| 07:32.48 | hippieindamakin8 | just started dude after a big fat lunch |
| 07:33.02 | hippieindamakin8 | just rewriting the code |
| 07:33.11 | hippieindamakin8 | (as in my code) |
| 07:33.18 | madant | ah kewl.. i had a big fat lunch myself .. thinking of a siesta before swimming ;) |
| 07:33.46 | madant | still at kanpur or going home soon for sometime ? |
| 07:33.49 | hippieindamakin8 | is hiding in the computer science building to escape from the hear |
| 07:33.51 | hippieindamakin8 | *heat |
| 07:34.16 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, yeah might go home to bangalore towards mid-may |
| 07:34.35 | madant | at kharagpur, it reached 45 some days ago i heard.. and it is humid as hell .. sweat galore.. |
| 07:35.44 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah it is smthing similar here. 45-46 |
| 07:35.47 | hippieindamakin8 | today it is 42 |
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| 08:42.08 | mafm | hi |
| 08:46.07 | hippieindamakin8 | hey mafm |
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| 11:35.54 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, look what somebody wants to do with his GSoC money : http://dpaste.com/39576/ |
| 12:06.12 | archivist | needs weeding out |
| 12:14.42 | hippieindamakin8 | heh |
| 12:50.38 | d-lo | mernin all |
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| 13:05.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34369 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: enable compilation of the nmg_junk.c source file so that CMakeLists.txt stays in sync with Makefile.am |
| 13:16.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34370 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/BrlcadCore.def: added rt_get_functab_by_label |
| 13:30.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34371 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: |
| 13:30.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: added Philip Knaute to the contributors list for his work on the core's C++ interface |
| 13:30.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: not all of my work on BRL-CAD is paid |
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| 15:42.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34372 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: optimize nmgs |
| 15:45.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34373 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: refactor the functab |
| 16:03.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34374 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/fb.h src/libfb/fb_generic.c src/libfb/fb_paged_io.c): reorganize and cleanup fb_paged_io so that we don't need to declare or export fg_pgin/pgout/pgflush. |
| 16:06.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34375 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/fb_generic.c: ws cleanup |
| 16:10.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34376 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/ (pkg.c tpkg.c): clean up |
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| 16:30.51 | JucaBlues | does brlcad suppot multi-threading ? |
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| 19:50.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34377 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/express/expscan.l: Replaced static token table with one generated from lexer. |
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| 20:25.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34378 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (9 files): initial stubs for step converter, more to come |
| 20:25.57 | starseeker | go indianlarry, go! |
| 20:28.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34379 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (conv/Makefile.am other/Makefile.am): added other/step and conv/step to build if enabled |
| 22:00.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34380 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm_obj.c: yet another vile fb_pgflush()ism. change to a straight up fb_flush. |
| 22:09.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34381 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm_obj.c: ws indent cleanup |
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| 23:55.10 | ``Erik | note to self: barrel rolls are for planes, not boats |
| 00:29.34 | starseeker | is afraid to ask |
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| 01:31.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34382 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: (log message trimmed) |
| 01:31.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Need src/conv/step in the list for Makefile generation. Attempts to build as of |
| 01:31.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: r34379 seems to suggest that there are missing files that need to be checked in |
| 01:31.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: to get a working src/conv/step build - ssince src/conv/step is currently keying |
| 01:31.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: off the BUILD_STEP variable (which bty it shouldn't do that forever - in theory |
| 01:31.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: it should check for a system install if BUILD_STEP is off) turn off STEP |
| 01:31.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: altogether until it the rest of the necessary files get checked in. This is a |
| 01:35.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34383 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Another instance of fb_pgflush - change to fb_flush |
| 01:36.44 | starseeker | makes a note to mention the svn status command to indianlarry... |
| 01:45.05 | starseeker | brlcad: Sean, FB_WPIXEL in include.h seems to be using _fb_pgin and _fb_pgout - I'm getting a linking error when I try to build libfb |
| 01:47.27 | starseeker | fb/fbgrid.c, fbed/fbed.c and lgt/reflect.c are using FB_WPIXEL |
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| 01:54.42 | starseeker | can we define FB_WPIXEL in the fb_paged_io.c and export that? |
| 01:55.17 | starseeker | isn't sure how that works for inline versions of things... |
| 02:00.16 | brlcad | hm, looking |
| 02:03.48 | starseeker | er, include/fb.h rather |
| 02:03.58 | brlcad | nods |
| 02:05.53 | brlcad | that's three very obscure tools .. they can probably just use fb_wpixel instead.. I really doubt the "inline" performance boost is signficant any longer |
| 02:06.06 | starseeker | alrightie |
| 02:06.09 | starseeker | want me to get it? |
| 02:06.17 | starseeker | q |
| 02:06.19 | starseeker | whoops |
| 02:07.05 | brlcad | you can if you beat me to it, but it's my mess to clean up |
| 02:07.21 | starseeker | is stubbornly working towards a build ;-) |
| 02:16.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34384 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Remove inline version of fb_wpixel, change calls to non-inline version - speed change is likely not significant any longer and the inline version requres exposure of fb_pgin and fb_pgout |
| 02:17.27 | brlcad | oof, heh |
| 02:17.55 | brlcad | beat me to it by mere seconds |
| 02:18.18 | starseeker | heh, sorry :-) |
| 02:18.32 | brlcad | no matter, trivial change |
| 02:18.36 | brlcad | but thanks |
| 02:18.46 | starseeker | np :-) |
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| 02:20.51 | starseeker | sighs in relief |
| 02:20.56 | starseeker | on the docs now |
| 02:21.09 | starseeker | brlcad: is that an ok hack for the step build until monday? |
| 02:21.20 | starseeker | either I'm nuts or there's a bunch of files not committed yet |
| 02:21.38 | starseeker | (or both) |
| 02:24.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34385 10/brlcad/trunk/ (doc/deprecation.txt include/fb.h): deprecate FB_WPIXEL since it's been around for such a long time 'just in case'. |
| 02:25.54 | brlcad | starseeker: good enough for now, sure |
| 02:26.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34386 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (exppp/Makefile.am express/Makefile.am): Whoops. Commit fixes for src/other/step Makefile.am files so they will work with multiple processor building. |
| 02:26.57 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, we'll be nice about it ;-) |
| 02:27.44 | starseeker | waves broadsword wildly over his head with manical look in his eyes - "Cut 'em out!" |
| 02:28.45 | starseeker | now, let's see what happens with tire... |
| 02:30.31 | starseeker | ERROR: bad pointer x9b474b0: s/b rt_sketch_internal(x736b6574), was Unknown_Magic(x65787472), file ../../../brlcad/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch.c, line 1868 |
| 02:32.29 | brlcad | starseeker: that's very interesting |
| 02:33.02 | brlcad | this is why magic numbers are so useful :) |
| 02:34.14 | brlcad | if you look up the unknown magic, it's very insightful |
| 02:34.53 | brlcad | and that line number is telling, has to be related to the changes |
| 02:35.48 | starseeker | libbu/magic.c? |
| 02:38.17 | starseeker | ah, got a bomb trace that means something |
| 02:38.27 | starseeker | rt_sketch_ifree |
| 02:38.42 | starseeker | called from rt_extrude_ifree |
| 02:39.13 | brlcad | did you look at the unknown magic? |
| 02:39.50 | starseeker | I looked at the c file - doesn't that mean it can't tell what it is? |
| 02:40.05 | brlcad | not the c file |
| 02:41.04 | brlcad | whenever you see a magic code, you should look it up |
| 02:41.06 | starseeker | oh - that number matches RT_EXTRUDE_INTERNAL_MAGIC? |
| 02:41.12 | brlcad | there ya go |
| 02:41.24 | starseeker | erm |
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| 02:41.29 | brlcad | so sketch's ifree was called, but seemingly passed an extrude object |
| 02:41.59 | starseeker | checks rt_extrude_ifree |
| 02:42.32 | hippieindamakin8 | waves at everybody and wishes |
| 02:42.35 | brlcad | obviously related to my recent change, but tbd whether it's an init problem now that it's going through the functab or some other issue |
| 02:45.10 | starseeker | extrude.c:2321 is where the call is coming from |
| 02:45.17 | brlcad | do you see the bug :) |
| 02:45.38 | starseeker | giving it ip of extrude? |
| 02:45.39 | brlcad | has it fixed, fwiw |
| 02:45.43 | brlcad | yep |
| 02:45.52 | starseeker | cool |
| 02:46.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34387 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c: free the sketch that the extrude was using, not the extrude itself. and good gravy, don't pass the extrude to sketch's ifree. |
| 02:46.13 | brlcad | copy-paste bug of a var that just happened to work in that scope |
| 02:46.15 | starseeker | thanks! |
| 02:46.39 | starseeker | thanks for the magic number tutorial - that helps :-) |
| 02:47.12 | starseeker | won that one :-P |
| 02:47.20 | starseeker | er you won that one |
| 02:47.51 | starseeker | tests |
| 02:49.38 | brlcad | reviews the other ifree() mods in case similar mistakes were injected |
| 02:49.41 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c: In function 'rt_extrude_ifree': |
| 02:49.44 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c:2321: error: incompatible type for argument 1 of 'tmp_ip.idb_meth->ft_ifree' |
| 02:49.50 | brlcad | bah |
| 02:49.53 | brlcad | still compiling :) |
| 02:51.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34388 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c: poinnnterrrrrr |
| 02:51.33 | starseeker | &tmp_ip rather than tmp_ip? |
| 02:51.38 | brlcad | there's another thing noteworthy about your bad pointer message |
| 02:51.39 | brlcad | yes |
| 02:51.50 | brlcad | Unknown_Magic |
| 02:51.57 | brlcad | it's clearly not "unknown" |
| 02:52.03 | starseeker | yes |
| 02:52.06 | brlcad | which means the table is out of sync (and should be syncd) |
| 02:52.21 | brlcad | doesn't like that table |
| 02:52.31 | brlcad | needs to be a better way to register magic numbers |
| 02:52.36 | starseeker | aaah. I was wondering a little why it didn't go ahead and say something useful... |
| 02:52.39 | brlcad | but C does make that a pain |
| 02:53.15 | starseeker | that's the magic.c table? |
| 02:54.00 | starseeker | looks at the Primitives section and his jaw drops |
| 02:54.13 | starseeker | no eto, no hyp, no sketch, no extrude... |
| 02:54.37 | starseeker | ouch |
| 02:55.43 | starseeker | checks first this time - you working on it already? |
| 02:57.30 | brlcad | nope |
| 02:57.39 | starseeker | hops to it |
| 02:57.46 | starseeker | here magic.h magic.h magic.h... |
| 02:58.32 | brlcad | I spent a good bit of time cleaning up magic.h many moons ago, left magic.c as an exercise to the reader |
| 02:59.49 | brlcad | magic.c isn't maintainable as-is .. and it was way too much of a diversion to make it something better at the time |
| 03:00.03 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:00.07 | brlcad | looks like extrude was isolated.. |
| 03:00.08 | brlcad | -rt_sketch_ifree(&tmp_ip); |
| 03:00.09 | brlcad | +tmp_ip.idb_meth->ft_ifree(ip, resp); |
| 03:00.26 | starseeker | yep, sneaky |
| 03:08.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34389 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/magic.c: Gah - update the magic.c list of primitives so the error messages know about more primitives |
| 03:08.58 | starseeker | still unmaintainiable, but hopefully slightly more useful |
| 03:13.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34390 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/magic.c: update libbu magic.c entries while we're at it. |
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| 03:17.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34391 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/magic.c: update nmg magic.c entries. |
| 03:34.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34392 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/magic.c: and update the rest of magic.c's entries. RT_CNURB and RT_SNURB are apparently duplicates of other magic value definitions - leave the originals |
| 03:34.41 | starseeker | there we go |
| 03:35.12 | starseeker | yep, tire is working again too |
| 03:35.15 | starseeker | awesome |
| 03:44.39 | starseeker | calls it a night |
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| 06:27.24 | dreeves | hey so I notice that breplicator and brep_cube is generating errors and not generating the test case and did anyone get a chance to work on any more test cases? |
| 06:35.13 | starseeker | dreeves: beyond what I've got up on bz? |
| 06:35.28 | starseeker | I can make some more - the current ones are showing errors last time I looked |
| 06:35.53 | starseeker | haven't tried the test cubes lately - what's the failure? |
| 06:36.20 | starseeker | gah. |
| 06:36.34 | starseeker | must sleep now - will answer once consciousness is regained |
| 06:38.42 | dreeves | starseeker I have been busy on something else lately so if you have created more then I don't know about them. The only one I'm finding is brep_pinch |
| 06:39.55 | dreeves | I will go check out bz |
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| 11:50.23 | starseeker | dreeves: everything other than nurbs_tests.g in http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/nurbs_tests/ is "new" |
| 11:50.41 | starseeker | I don't have the sh script set up to raytrace the new ones, unfortunately |
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| 12:31.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34393 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/breplicator.cpp: turn off the new face as the new face doesn't have the right UV trimming parameters (domain is wrong iirc), but is still a good example for understanding how the trims work. |
| 12:31.48 | brlcad | dreeves: that last commit makes breplicator.cpp work again -- the new face that was added was a trimming example |
| 12:40.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34394 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/brep_cube.cpp: this wasn't broken, just quirky. you had to provide an(y) argument or it wouldn't write out the geometry file. the subsequent db_lookup would then get passed a null dbip, causing a bomb to go off. |
| 12:41.08 | brlcad | and that 'fixes' the brep_cube example (it wasn't broken, just dumb) |
| 13:03.53 | dreeves | ok thanks |
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| 18:18.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34395 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: libfb needs to have fb_open_existing/fb_close_existing pushed up into the fb functab and the #ifdef sections eliminated. |
| 18:44.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34396 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/Makefile.am: this still needs a lot of work. the built sources aren't declared portably. add a BUILT_SOURCES section, sort, and make the vars specify one-per-line. the fedex sources should be a noinst lib. |
| 18:46.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34397 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/getput.c: remove the vax section. DEPRECATE all of these routines as they are exactly what libbu provides. |
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| 19:02.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34398 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: meh |
| 19:02.41 | starseeker | heh - that's a bob commit message ;-) |
| 19:02.47 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:02.53 | ``Erik | nah, too many syllables |
| 19:02.58 | madant | hah |
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| 19:15.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34399 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/pkg.h src/libpkg/pkg.c): pkg_2send's buffers aren't modified. declare them const. |
| 19:27.48 | brlcad | yeah, looks like the few references I can find indicate a 20-30% acceptance rate roughly |
| 19:27.58 | starseeker | ndos |
| 19:28.01 | starseeker | er nods even |
| 19:28.04 | brlcad | the paper rate is 15-20% |
| 19:28.13 | brlcad | varies year/year |
| 19:28.20 | starseeker | not too surprising really |
| 19:32.14 | brlcad | looks like rate was 18% in 2008 if this random guy's count is correct |
| 19:36.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34400 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_remote.c: convert all fbputshort/fbputlong/fbgetshort/fbgetlong calls to the corresponding libbu xdr routine (bu_pshort and friends), using unsigned char pointers were appropriate and casting as needed when going through libpkg. |
| 19:41.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34401 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_remote.c: ws style indent comment cleanup |
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| 19:50.08 | brlcad | hello JucaBlues |
| 19:50.14 | JucaBlues | hi! |
| 19:50.30 | brlcad | inkscape always welcome ;) |
| 19:50.37 | JucaBlues | :-) |
| 19:51.05 | JucaBlues | I've been looking at libdwg |
| 19:51.11 | JucaBlues | it is written in esperanto!!! |
| 19:51.15 | brlcad | sorry to hear that ;) |
| 19:51.31 | JucaBlues | we gotta fork that! |
| 19:51.32 | brlcad | ahh, yeah.. it's got a lot wrong with it :) |
| 19:51.33 | JucaBlues | :-P |
| 19:51.46 | brlcad | aside from dwg being a horrible format |
| 19:52.13 | JucaBlues | yeah, I know, but we need to build the "bridge", dont we? |
| 19:52.29 | brlcad | there's lots of bridges possible ;) |
| 19:52.56 | brlcad | dxf is generally better and nearly as pervasive as dwg |
| 19:53.11 | brlcad | btw, there is 'opendwg' from the creative alliance |
| 19:53.28 | brlcad | mired in legal woes with autodesk, but they're further along iirc |
| 19:53.37 | JucaBlues | does brlcad deal with both file formats? |
| 19:53.48 | brlcad | s/creative alliance/open design alliance/ |
| 19:53.53 | brlcad | we deal with dxf |
| 19:53.58 | JucaBlues | but opendwg libs are proprietary... |
| 19:54.21 | JucaBlues | the only good thing I see in opendwg is their documentation of reverse engineering efforts |
| 19:54.46 | brlcad | dwg would be 'nice' ... but not necessary or a priority frankly given it's a proprietary format that autodesk is intent on defending |
| 19:55.39 | brlcad | our more current efforts have been towards beefing up dxf support (all 3d entities, and now nearly all 2d entities) |
| 19:55.50 | brlcad | and in implementing a full STEP conversion capacity |
| 19:55.56 | brlcad | that's our hot one atm |
| 19:56.01 | brlcad | big project |
| 19:56.30 | JucaBlues | not having dwg support would lead to less poeple adopting freesoftware CAD tools such as brlcad ? (in your opinion) |
| 19:56.33 | brlcad | curious, what do you need dwg for? |
| 19:57.00 | JucaBlues | I am not a CAD user |
| 19:57.07 | JucaBlues | I am a developer wishing to help |
| 19:57.25 | JucaBlues | so, I am not totally aware of users needs |
| 19:57.26 | brlcad | there are so many proprietary CAD formats, no I don't think not supporting dwg would be a major deciding factor for anyone -- it's more about usability and features of the CAD system |
| 19:57.58 | JucaBlues | but it seems to me that support for proprietary file formats would be good in order to lower the barrier to adoption of free software tools |
| 19:58.25 | brlcad | just about every major CAD vendor has a massively popular proprietary format that they default to .. dwg is only as visible as it is because of autocad's big (30% or so) market share |
| 19:59.29 | brlcad | JucaBlues: I'd certainly agree with you there .. it's more a matter of time and priorities, and the payoff (in terms of adoption/users/visibility/etc) |
| 20:00.47 | brlcad | we could spend a lot of time trying to reverse engineer any of the top five proprietary formats, or implement one of several major open interchange formats (that most of the major CAD vendors support) like STEP, IGES, and DXF |
| 20:01.25 | brlcad | the payoff is much greater .. so long as they can export their data from their system and import |
| 20:01.53 | JucaBlues | I have been in touch with free software since my first years at university (2003). Then, since mid-2007 I've been helping Inkscape. In the university I've been advocating alot about freesoftware |
| 20:02.07 | brlcad | starseeker: were you doing a build on mac or linux yesterday when you were fixing src/conv/step? |
| 20:02.11 | JucaBlues | only now, in 2009, we have successfully founded a study group here |
| 20:02.16 | starseeker | brlcad: mac |
| 20:02.20 | brlcad | huh, odd |
| 20:02.24 | starseeker | why, is it busted still? |
| 20:02.27 | brlcad | i'm getting failures on the built sources |
| 20:02.29 | brlcad | yeah, it is |
| 20:02.30 | JucaBlues | and we are now focusing on cad tools |
| 20:02.31 | starseeker | arrrgh |
| 20:02.32 | brlcad | I can fix it, though |
| 20:02.38 | brlcad | JucaBlues: what sort of focus? |
| 20:02.59 | JucaBlues | we are trying to figure out a way of helping free software CAD tools |
| 20:03.04 | brlcad | JucaBlues: and glad to hear about the advocacy, good stuff ;) |
| 20:03.41 | JucaBlues | we are a group of half dozen people and we meet once a week to discuss it |
| 20:03.52 | JucaBlues | some of us are coders |
| 20:04.05 | brlcad | that's where I would emphasize interoperability through the few open standards (if you preserve everything exported, users really don't care) |
| 20:04.10 | JucaBlues | others are more interested in political aspects of the free software movement |
| 20:04.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34402 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/tire.c: Sigh. Try another tread pattern tweak for tire. |
| 20:04.28 | brlcad | STEP is the big one that just about every single major CAD vendor adopted in early 2000's |
| 20:04.50 | brlcad | that was a massive ISO collaboration to 'solve' the interoperability problems and proprietaryness |
| 20:05.16 | brlcad | the only problem for open source is that ISO spec is freaking expensive and enormous (as it's sort of the combination of all CAD formats into one) |
| 20:05.31 | brlcad | fortunately for us, though, we have it ;) |
| 20:05.35 | JucaBlues | expensive?! |
| 20:05.40 | brlcad | ISO |
| 20:05.45 | JucaBlues | isnt it freely distributed just like SVG? |
| 20:05.46 | brlcad | iso sells their specs |
| 20:05.54 | brlcad | like ISO C |
| 20:06.13 | brlcad | you won't just find the C standard floating around the web, you have to buy it |
| 20:07.11 | JucaBlues | sad... |
| 20:07.35 | brlcad | but like I said, not so much an issue with anyone that works with us on step since we have copies of the specification, provided via ARL for BRL-CAD use |
| 20:07.59 | brlcad | yeah, CAD is one of the biggest industries that have the least open source penetration |
| 20:08.08 | brlcad | and massive vendor lock-in through proprietary formats |
| 20:08.22 | brlcad | even ISO STEP is a massive step forward, *ahem* |
| 20:08.42 | brlcad | much better than the alternatives |
| 20:09.20 | brlcad | but it's not all about the file formats.. that's only a small piece to the puzzle, and one I'd argue that's not nearly as important as, say, usability and features |
| 20:09.33 | brlcad | usability in particular |
| 20:09.37 | JucaBlues | can brlcad be easily used for 2d architecture work? or is it really a CAD tool focused in engineering ? |
| 20:10.37 | brlcad | it can be (and has been) used for 2d and architecture work, it's just not an area of emphasis (read: an area the current core devs focus on) |
| 20:10.53 | JucaBlues | ok, cool |
| 20:11.08 | brlcad | here's a broad brush-strokes overview of the main areas being worked: http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 20:11.46 | brlcad | turning brl-cad into a fully hybrid modeler, bolstering the open source community, improved infrastructure, and a better gui |
| 20:12.12 | brlcad | we have a ton of functionality (more than blender believe it or not), but you wouldn't know it given our gui/usability |
| 20:12.41 | JucaBlues | but it has fundamental differences if compared to blender, right? |
| 20:12.57 | brlcad | so a lot of work is going into strapping up a new interface, making the existing binaries be plugin functionality to that new interface |
| 20:13.05 | brlcad | absolutely |
| 20:13.10 | brlcad | blender is a content modeler |
| 20:13.23 | brlcad | content modelers are horribly suited for CAD work, at a fundamental level |
| 20:14.37 | brlcad | akin to the fundamental difference between other commercial content modelers like 3D Studio MAX or even Maya .. compared to the likes of AutoCAD, Solidworks, NX, CATIA, Pro/E |
| 20:14.43 | brlcad | night and day |
| 20:14.57 | brlcad | the similarities sort of end at "they both deal with modeling" |
| 20:16.00 | JucaBlues | I got impressed by brlcad statistics (such as 20 years old development history). Does it still have funding from US government? Is the core dev team employed to develop it? |
| 20:16.06 | brlcad | JucaBlues: so do you have a goal or just surveying what's out there or looking for a niche to work on or ..? |
| 20:16.45 | brlcad | yeah, the project was started circa 1979, first release in 1984, so more than 25 years now |
| 20:17.01 | brlcad | it is still majorly funded by ARL |
| 20:17.53 | brlcad | many of the devs have full-time jobs with ARL, but not all, and even many of those that are employed invest even more time outside of work of their own volition |
| 20:18.44 | JucaBlues | we are committed to using free software on one of our university labs (we are the guys who removed MSWindows from those PCs) and now we have to figure out how to provide free software solutions to the needs of the projects that are developed in this lab |
| 20:19.07 | brlcad | I estimated a while back that the open source contributors will probably exceed the funded contributors in two or three years if our rate of development continues to increase and the open source community continues to grow (which would be awesome) |
| 20:20.34 | brlcad | well we are the *only* open source CAD system that's actually in production use, of production quality, but we are certainly very far off from most of the commercial codes (particularly wrt usability) too |
| 20:20.39 | brlcad | ;) |
| 20:20.47 | brlcad | nice to hear that commitment, though |
| 20:21.19 | JucaBlues | we figured out that most of the projects there will need CAD. So we started this research initially focusing on CAD tools. We nedd to (1) tell them which free software they should use. (2) set up the machines (install/compile it) and (3) provide guidance (tutorials/courses) |
| 20:22.58 | JucaBlues | and we think that we should code stuff in case we figure out that the available solutions are still not enough |
| 20:23.11 | brlcad | our biggest issue in terms of replacing something like autocad is drafting facilities (2d sketch support needs more work), constraints and parametric support (a GSoC project now for the second year), and gui usability (huge overhaul effort under way) |
| 20:24.04 | JucaBlues | are there tutorials available regarding the 2d stuff? where can I read more about it? |
| 20:24.06 | brlcad | well if you all decide that you're interested in working with brl-cad, you're more than welcome any time |
| 20:24.36 | brlcad | I don't think our goals are separate, more just only so many clock ticks per day and existing core devs are pulled in dozens of directions with goals :) |
| 20:24.49 | brlcad | mmm.. 2d tutorials |
| 20:25.07 | brlcad | yeah .. there are, but it really is sucky |
| 20:25.18 | brlcad | easier to script their use than it is to use the gui |
| 20:25.24 | brlcad | unfortunately |
| 20:25.57 | brlcad | not sure where they're at though.. hm. |
| 20:30.30 | brlcad | for what it's worth, another reason the 2D support is minimal is that most of the industry has moved away from utilizing a 2D drafting approach as the foundation, instead modeling directly in 3D with 3D techniques and deriving 2D as needed |
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| 20:31.14 | brlcad | plus we're a solid modeler, so 2D entities are totally second-class citizens .. you can't do anything with them without an extrusion/sweep/revolve operation to define a volume :) |
| 20:31.35 | brlcad | similar to how the big-boys treat them, just with a worse 2D sketcher :) |
| 20:33.38 | JucaBlues | (sorry ... I was on telephone here) |
| 20:34.14 | JucaBlues | so... it is cool to hear that there is 2d support even though it seems to be minimal and not very user friendly |
| 20:34.15 | brlcad | np |
| 20:34.21 | brlcad | I rant from time to time ;) |
| 20:34.32 | brlcad | yeah, the support is totally there engine-wise |
| 20:34.37 | brlcad | gui-wise, it's teh suck |
| 20:35.02 | JucaBlues | I am participating on GSoC again this year (in inkscape), so I cant get committed to another project right now |
| 20:35.26 | brlcad | that's why we can import a DXF nearly faithfully, most of their entities (2d and 3d) transcribes to one of our entities |
| 20:35.28 | JucaBlues | but I will inform my colegues about it |
| 20:35.36 | brlcad | cool |
| 20:35.51 | brlcad | well if you want to dabble, or if they want to dabble, welcome to |
| 20:36.05 | brlcad | commit access is an easy deal for competent folks :) |
| 20:36.20 | brlcad | what's your gsoc project? |
| 20:36.26 | JucaBlues | ok. is there a subset of the coders who are most familiar with the 2d stuff (gui and core) ? |
| 20:36.37 | JucaBlues | who sould I contact? |
| 20:37.00 | brlcad | best to just ask in here or on the brlcad-devel mailing list, someone will chime in |
| 20:37.09 | brlcad | highly likely I will answer if someone else doesn't :) |
| 20:37.34 | JucaBlues | ok. are you sort of a project leader? |
| 20:37.35 | brlcad | notes that tendancy even with hundreds of folks on the list :P |
| 20:38.04 | brlcad | yeah |
| 20:38.33 | JucaBlues | May I know your name? Or do you preffer the anonimity? |
| 20:38.41 | brlcad | i'm Sean |
| 20:38.58 | JucaBlues | pleased to meet you, Sean. I am Felipe Sanches. |
| 20:39.20 | madant | :) anonymity .. synonymity rather :D |
| 20:39.24 | brlcad | likewise, pleasure :) |
| 20:39.46 | brlcad | Christopher Sean Morrison in full absurdity longness ;) |
| 20:39.53 | JucaBlues | I think that it is rare to have such a great/fast feedback on other projects irc channels |
| 20:40.26 | brlcad | oh chatter here comes and goes too .. just depends what's going on, I was between commits and almost always available on irc |
| 20:40.27 | JucaBlues | Felipe Corrêa da Silva Sanches in full (mine is longer :-P) |
| 20:40.32 | brlcad | haha |
| 20:41.36 | JucaBlues | ah! My SoC project this year is user interface improvements for CMYK colorspace and ICC color profiles handling in Inkscape |
| 20:42.22 | JucaBlues | Last year I worked on initial implementation of SVG Fonts support in Inkscape (which is one of the features defined in the SVG 1.1 spec) |
| 20:42.26 | brlcad | cool, like preference selection and applying to the current project? |
| 20:43.32 | JucaBlues | color transforming palettes and color pickers using the currently selected target device color profile |
| 20:43.36 | brlcad | thinks it would be awesome to have a brl-cad composite renderer that output svg ... mmm |
| 20:52.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34403 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: vector renderer ala rtedge but with vectors instead of raster and with support for filled regions. |
| 20:53.03 | starseeker | brlcad: that needs nurbs, doesn't it? |
| 20:55.39 | brlcad | to be done "well", yeah probably, but depends |
| 20:56.10 | brlcad | i mean rtedge could probably do a fantastic job as it is |
| 20:56.36 | brlcad | with just region tracking and interpolating a spline between contiguous regions |
| 20:57.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34404 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): get gone getput() |
| 21:44.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34405 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: use single tick quotes to avoid escaping |
| 21:49.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34406 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (Makefile.am needFunc.cc needFunc.h): |
| 21:49.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: this should at least restore the build to a working state for now. make it an |
| 21:49.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: EXTRA_PROGRAMS so we can traverse into here even though the fedex stuff isn't |
| 21:49.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: being generated. (STEP_FEDEX_PLUS, STEP, and STEP_AP203 are not subst'd) few |
| 21:49.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: other minor changes are keeping 'sources' and headers declared separately for |
| 21:49.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: consistency. |
| 21:50.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34407 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: can traverse into src/conv/step again (though it won't do anything due to the EXTRA_PROGRAMS declaration) |
| 22:08.33 | Ralith | brlcad: that *would* be really cool |
| 22:23.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34408 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/Makefile.am: don't even make them a clean rule so dist doesn't try to clean them |
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| 23:26.46 | brlcad | Ralith: so you're ready to take it on? :) |
| 23:26.52 | brlcad | would be a fun little project for someone |
| 23:26.54 | Ralith | hehe |
| 23:27.00 | brlcad | not even that hard really |
| 23:27.14 | Ralith | perhaps once I know my way around librt. |
| 23:27.29 | Ralith | or, even better, once nurbs is working. |
| 23:27.46 | brlcad | even as a sampled approximation, it would look pretty superb |
| 23:27.51 | Ralith | indeed. |
| 23:28.12 | brlcad | with nurbs, you'd still have to figure out the projected contours and those aren't so easy |
| 23:28.15 | Ralith | but then, rtedge's output would give pretty good results just tracing using standard tools, no? |
| 23:30.00 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 23:30.45 | Ralith | vector auto-tracers |
| 23:30.52 | Ralith | dunno what they're called |
| 23:31.02 | Ralith | but like in inskcape, you can just tell it to trace a bitmap |
| 23:31.07 | Ralith | inkscape* |
| 23:31.36 | brlcad | right now rtedge fires rays at the model in a grid and looks at each neighbor to a ray to determine if it's on an "edge" |
| 23:31.45 | brlcad | if it is, it renders a pixel for that grid cell |
| 23:31.59 | Ralith | yes. |
| 23:32.03 | Ralith | and then you take that render as an image |
| 23:32.10 | Ralith | and feed it to a vector tracing tool. |
| 23:32.20 | Ralith | tracing as in following the lines, not raytracing |
| 23:32.27 | brlcad | instead of rendering a pixel, it'd probably need to instead store a spline control point on that edge |
| 23:34.16 | brlcad | walking over the grid of results, you could build up the 2d connected spline paths, output as svg |
| 23:34.32 | Ralith | yeah |
| 23:34.35 | brlcad | little more detail than that, but it's the jist |
| 23:34.56 | Ralith | I'm just commenting that output as a plain bitmap could probably be converted into a svg for pretty good results too |
| 23:35.07 | Ralith | albeit not *as* good |
| 23:35.10 | brlcad | and if you threw in some adaptive refinement sampling, the result would probably be pretty indistinguishable from a projected brep |
| 23:35.16 | brlcad | ahh |
| 23:35.17 | brlcad | yeah |
| 23:35.22 | brlcad | I tried that a few years ago |
| 23:35.31 | brlcad | it was pretty bad |
| 23:35.59 | brlcad | reconstructing connectivity based on raster image alone is starting with too much information lost |
| 01:28.08 | yukonbob | afternoon, cadheads |
| 01:32.59 | ``Erik | SILENCE! erm, I mean, hello! |
| 01:37.03 | ``Erik | this new buffer shit on hulu sucks |
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| 13:45.53 | ``Erik | huh http://tour.diabetes.org/ |
| 13:50.42 | ``Erik | awesome, emacs core dumped on me |
| 13:55.29 | madant_ | :D some people are just so lucky :D |
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| 18:13.17 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 18:13.31 | yukonbob | geez... |
| 18:13.50 | yukonbob | I can see my "afternoon, cadheads" from yesterday on the screen still :P |
| 18:24.04 | ``Erik | sshh |
| 18:47.36 | PrezKennedy | i cant cuz of all the joins/parts |
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| 22:50.18 | JucaBlues | I got this error during compilation: error while loading shared libraries: librt.so.19: cannot map zero-fill pages: Cannot allocate memory |
| 22:50.23 | JucaBlues | is it a known issue? |
| 00:29.16 | brlcad | wow, that's odd/new/unknown |
| 00:40.23 | ``Erik | sounds like a busted compiler or os that doesn't quite understand bss |
| 00:44.34 | brlcad | was he the guy working in cygwin? |
| 00:46.21 | ``Erik | d'no, but google is showing that error only showing up on debian and ubuntu x86 |
| 00:48.04 | ``Erik | and some of them are for binary distributed files, I have a feeling that debian build a messed up kernel or libc that ubuntu used |
| 00:48.13 | ``Erik | and this guy had that bad piece (or bad combo of pieces) |
| 00:48.23 | brlcad | ah |
| 00:49.35 | ``Erik | and given the frequency of ubuntu vs debian, I'd say ubuntu is drastically far more popular among the folk who'd stop and ask on forums and mailing lists |
| 00:50.42 | ``Erik | so, yeah, busted os would be my guess based on some research and no dialog with the dude :) |
| 00:50.51 | ``Erik | goes back ot watching b5 |
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| 13:46.33 | brlcad | yawns |
| 13:50.41 | madant | yawns |
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| 20:38.42 | ``Erik | owwww, bills suck |
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| 22:55.46 | PrezKennedy | yay billz |
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| 08:57.39 | dreeves_ | starseeker you get a chance maybe you can try the changes out on some of the new test shapes. I think these changes will help some. |
| 09:00.29 | brlcad | awesome |
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| 09:21.43 | mafm | hi |
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| 10:13.37 | d-lo | mernin all! |
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| 12:40.40 | starseeker | ``Erik: amen |
| 12:40.55 | starseeker | dreeves_: great! I'll give it a shot once I get to my work machine |
| 12:43.26 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
| 13:30.34 | starseeker | growls at ps2pdf |
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| 14:17.29 | madant_ | loves djvu |
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| 15:29.09 | brlcad | waves to elena |
| 15:30.04 | brlcad | starseeker: chart looked good |
| 15:30.16 | elena | waves back |
| 15:30.49 | brlcad | maybe even too much info for the poster, but did cover the basics |
| 15:51.06 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks! |
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| 19:05.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34414 10/brlcad/trunk/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Added code to edit ellipsoid attributes in Archer via the mouse. |
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| 23:46.43 | starseeker | brlcad: can pages do things like merged cells in tables? |
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| 08:55.30 | mafm | hi |
| 08:56.11 | brlcad | hi! |
| 09:23.30 | mafm | brlcad: I was talking with a friend yesterday and reminded me of our discussions |
| 09:23.36 | mafm | he hates Ogre with passion |
| 09:24.27 | mafm | it seems that the holy wars about 3d engines are the new rage, after sysv vs bsd, vi vs emacs and kde vs gnome :D |
| 09:32.52 | ``Erik | hrm, yet a new convert O.o I'm pimping BRL-CAD on WoW :( |
| 09:33.03 | ``Erik | lemme guess, crystal space? :D |
| 09:33.19 | ``Erik | has yet to find a 3d engine that doesn't suck |
| 09:33.54 | mafm | yep, he's a crystal space partisan :D |
| 09:33.56 | ``Erik | of course, vim and emacs each suck in their own way... bsd and sysv each have their issues... linux just sucks, plain and simple |
| 09:34.05 | mafm | and yes, I don't like much any of them |
| 09:34.45 | ``Erik | (and windows makes black holes look like minor deflective entities) |
| 09:36.30 | mafm | lol |
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| 10:21.41 | d-lo | Mernin all! ``Erik, you're up early! |
| 10:25.01 | archivist | sleep seg faulted |
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| 12:43.49 | archivist | brlcad, been seeing that type of spam on other lists |
| 13:01.22 | brlcad | archivist: I know, I've read that it looks like viral social networking |
| 13:01.52 | brlcad | that if you sign up on yaari, it spams everyone in your contact list after you import them (automatically and unknown to the user) |
| 13:02.24 | archivist | heh...not the sort of thing I visit or sign up for :) |
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| 13:33.25 | starseeker | ``Erik: Linux may suck, but we have drivers :-P |
| 13:34.03 | starseeker | looks forward to Haiku becoming usable so he can again adopt a niche OS |
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| 13:49.16 | ``Erik | hm, I have no gear that doesn't have bsd drivers, and scars from when linux did lack drivers for common equipment |
| 13:49.32 | starseeker | raises eyebrows. |
| 13:49.39 | starseeker | do the nvidia drivers work well now? |
| 13:49.40 | ``Erik | d-lo: late |
| 13:49.43 | ``Erik | yes |
| 13:49.53 | ``Erik | for the last 5 or so years |
| 13:50.23 | starseeker | ``Erik: wow. Guess it has been a while since I did comparative operating system testing |
| 13:51.00 | ``Erik | I think I did manage to force a release a few years back to support a chipset... the code was all their but the driver lagged with its listing, so it refused to try to use an 'known' pci id |
| 13:51.23 | archivist | nvidia dont work well with a realtime kernel though |
| 13:51.28 | ``Erik | so I sent a message that, uh, kinda insinuated need from my work address (at the time, I was developing ogl code) |
| 13:51.55 | ``Erik | careful, archivist, someone will state that the NT series is a realtime kernel :D |
| 13:52.10 | starseeker | heh :-) |
| 13:53.29 | ``Erik | starseeker: I was happily running linux games (rtcw, ut) on my fbsd box with an nvidia card before I moved to md in '03 |
| 13:54.37 | ``Erik | I think the drivers came out in '01 |
| 13:55.26 | starseeker | remembers the original fuss about subpar support on *BSD - guess by the time things settled down I had stopped operating system hopping |
| 13:55.39 | ``Erik | it lags, but it's there, kinda |
| 13:57.19 | ``Erik | https://sourceforge.net/projects/fbsd-nvdriver/ <-- shortly after that, they had a driver for fbsd |
| 13:58.22 | ``Erik | stupid effin' linux |
| 13:59.44 | ``Erik | ioctl(fd,code,...) hm, ioctl(fd,in,out,len) geeeee, { out = in; } /* DONE! */ |
| 13:59.48 | ``Erik | shakes fist |
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| 15:49.56 | ``Erik | y'know, I need to make smaller portions when I stir-fry... about half of what I do (or invite a fool over) |
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| 16:02.44 | d-lo | so ``Erik , taking today off? |
| 16:03.27 | ``Erik | yesterday was al expecting dude to show up... today, dude called off again but I felt like poop, so SL, hopefully tomorrow will be AL for house repair |
| 16:03.49 | ``Erik | check out "polly scattergood" |
| 16:04.02 | d-lo | dude as in Cable repair dude? |
| 16:04.04 | ``Erik | I think she's gonna make waves in the next year |
| 16:04.13 | ``Erik | no, house repair, the rotted out wood |
| 16:04.29 | d-lo | ah, the door frame? |
| 16:04.36 | ``Erik | he's gonna disassemble my houses face to get all the rotten wood out |
| 16:04.42 | d-lo | wow. |
| 16:04.51 | d-lo | good to do. Not cheap? |
| 16:05.09 | ``Erik | his initial estimate is 375, he's retired and does this for fun |
| 16:05.18 | ``Erik | eric edwards hooked us up |
| 16:05.24 | d-lo | nice :) |
| 16:05.26 | ``Erik | eric knows RRRVRONE |
| 16:05.37 | d-lo | que? |
| 16:05.51 | ``Erik | for? |
| 16:06.27 | d-lo | RRRVRONE = ? |
| 16:06.30 | ``Erik | the 'rrrvrone' is a family guy joke, 'cleaveland' style |
| 16:08.01 | ``Erik | aaanyways, I was talkin' about goldfrapp a couple years ago, they just recently were spotting in commercials and stuff... good stuff... I think this polly girl is the next one |
| 16:08.09 | ``Erik | in spite of her essex accent |
| 16:08.37 | ``Erik | should so be a label recruiter : |
| 16:08.39 | ``Erik | :) |
| 16:08.44 | d-lo | lol |
| 16:08.54 | d-lo | its your calling. Goferit. |
| 16:09.24 | ``Erik | well, check out her youtubes |
| 16:10.04 | d-lo | Prolly when I get home. Kinda involved in werk right now :/ |
| 16:10.13 | ``Erik | a very british face, but she does good tunes |
| 16:11.28 | d-lo | Ah, so she's the kind of female vocalist where you look at her face and not elsewhere? |
| 16:11.39 | ``Erik | no, ... other way 'round |
| 16:13.52 | ``Erik | not uh, susan boyle, but ... up that alley |
| 16:13.59 | d-lo | heh, you weren't kidding about the british face. |
| 16:14.44 | ``Erik | at least the girl from goldfrapp was adolescent jack material |
| 16:15.05 | ``Erik | I think this polly girl will make a mark, *shrug* |
| 16:19.48 | d-lo | Well I will check out her vids at home. Just hope she isn't a nother mute-and-watch chickie. |
| 16:20.20 | ``Erik | heh, if you mute, just close the window |
| 16:20.30 | ``Erik | honest, she ain't pretty |
| 16:21.10 | starseeker | hmm, this sounds like it might be interesting: http://www-hagen.informatik.uni-kl.de/~hijazi/Publications/gpuimpcsg-tr.pdf |
| 16:21.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34417 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/concat.c: Modified ged_concat to not require a suffix/prefix. If one is not provided, it behaves as if / was specified. |
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| 17:02.58 | brlcad | wow, kudos to NX5 .. nice interface revamping |
| 17:04.18 | starseeker | googles NX5 |
| 17:04.47 | starseeker | ah |
| 17:04.52 | brlcad | unigraphics |
| 17:05.08 | starseeker | wow |
| 17:05.09 | brlcad | they (stupidly) renamed to 'NX' a while back |
| 17:05.46 | starseeker | erm. Throwing away a widely recognized brand name for "NX"?? that IS stupid |
| 17:06.05 | brlcad | one that is barely even searchable by itself |
| 17:06.36 | starseeker | agreed though - nice UI |
| 17:06.44 | ``Erik | thowing away a widley recognized brand name for "AMCAC"??? that IS stupid |
| 17:06.50 | ``Erik | thowing away a widley recognized brand name for "ARL"??? that IS stupid |
| 17:07.06 | starseeker | ``Erik: ARL is the brand |
| 17:07.22 | brlcad | that's actually not far from the look of the icons I had in mind |
| 17:07.23 | starseeker | what do you mean? |
| 17:07.28 | brlcad | he meant BRL |
| 17:07.31 | ``Erik | ok, you can believe hat. I'll keep working on BRL |
| 17:07.32 | brlcad | was renamed to ARL |
| 17:07.35 | ``Erik | no, I meant ARL |
| 17:07.45 | starseeker | Oh, gotcha |
| 17:07.49 | ``Erik | BRL was a widely recognized name, we changed to ARL |
| 17:07.55 | brlcad | that's what I meant |
| 17:08.03 | brlcad | go back to your embibbing |
| 17:08.13 | ``Erik | returns to lisp development |
| 17:08.59 | starseeker | those icons look like they could be vector |
| 17:09.09 | brlcad | nice bright high-resolution icons, clean theme, crisp tabbing |
| 17:09.40 | brlcad | still a little dead space but some basic concepts to be noted |
| 17:10.12 | starseeker | is puzzled by the virtually empty bar below the two rows of icons |
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| 17:10.34 | brlcad | yeah, selection-sensitive options |
| 17:10.41 | starseeker | ah |
| 17:10.48 | brlcad | not the best organization for those |
| 17:11.11 | brlcad | photoshop does the same thing but better because there aren't icons above, but similar concept |
| 17:11.22 | starseeker | perhaps appearing/disappearing transparent toolbars for selection sensitive would be an option? |
| 17:11.32 | starseeker | s/toolbars/whatever |
| 17:13.14 | brlcad | who is to say that theirs doesn't appear/disappear ;) |
| 17:13.22 | brlcad | still clunky by the placement alone |
| 17:14.02 | brlcad | bigger issue is the buffet of probably somewhat randomly used buttons above it |
| 17:14.19 | starseeker | heh, true. I was thinking along the lines of the toolbars on the edge in stellarium |
| 17:14.26 | brlcad | the lesson to take from it, though, is nice vibrant icons ;) |
| 17:14.42 | Ralith | takes notes |
| 17:14.43 | starseeker | nods - yes, those are striking and easily viewed |
| 17:14.59 | brlcad | and fairly unambiguous |
| 17:15.07 | starseeker | if I'm not mistaken, those are all expressible as vector icons - great for resolution independence :-) |
| 17:15.32 | brlcad | i highly doubt they are vectors, but sure :) |
| 17:15.37 | starseeker | THINKS QT supports that, but isn't sure... |
| 17:16.01 | ``Erik | dislikes qt |
| 17:16.03 | starseeker | I know KDE was working towards it for their desktop icons at the very least, and I think it was across the board |
| 17:16.04 | Ralith | I would be surprised if it didn't |
| 17:19.25 | starseeker | ah, yeah - as of QT 4.2 they support svg icons |
| 17:21.23 | starseeker | likes the idea of not having to shove lots of different resolution .png files into the repository :-) |
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| 19:31.21 | brlcad | aaalmost gets the new mirroring equations to work |
| 19:32.44 | brlcad | starseeker: true |
| 19:33.16 | starseeker | winces in sympath with brlcad - nothing as frustrating as "almost" working |
| 19:33.18 | brlcad | though while unclean, it's *very* trivial to maintain image resource files |
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| 19:33.37 | starseeker | true. We will be doing it with Archer anyway, I guess |
| 19:33.49 | starseeker | or rather, are doing |
| 19:33.52 | brlcad | vector is of course better, but it 'can' be considerably more complicated |
| 19:34.20 | starseeker | to store, or to use? |
| 19:34.25 | brlcad | not that you need to store multiple image files either, can always store just one and downsample as needed |
| 19:34.28 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:34.33 | starseeker | heh |
| 19:34.40 | starseeker | was thinking they're harder to design... |
| 19:34.58 | brlcad | actually more on use, storing it is just a matter of yet another resource file |
| 19:35.18 | brlcad | storing in memory can be more tricky, but that's akin to use |
| 19:35.25 | starseeker | ah. |
| 19:35.33 | starseeker | was hoping QT could take care of that... |
| 19:36.03 | brlcad | hopefully |
| 19:36.06 | brlcad | but if not, meh |
| 19:36.11 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:36.20 | starseeker | if not, simpler to go with images |
| 19:36.22 | brlcad | that's not really a technical problem |
| 19:36.26 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:37.01 | starseeker | can even create them as svg, generate images if needed, then "someday" convert to straight svg |
| 19:37.14 | starseeker | after all our other problems go away |
| 19:37.40 | brlcad | another potentially 'neat' idea would be for each 'icon' to be a tiny little .g scene :) |
| 19:38.29 | brlcad | even better over svg since most of what we need to display isn't vector 2d, it's actually 3d.. so we could just make a 3d resource and display that instead |
| 19:38.44 | brlcad | would need a little backend work to make it flexible though |
| 19:38.53 | starseeker | that is an interesting idea |
| 19:39.22 | starseeker | you're thinking to raytrace the .g scenes to generate the icons? |
| 19:39.27 | brlcad | no no |
| 19:39.59 | brlcad | shaded display geometry, just tiny to whatever size the icons are |
| 19:40.03 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:40.11 | brlcad | i mean you could render them, but no need really |
| 19:40.24 | starseeker | once we can do shaded displays :-) |
| 19:40.27 | brlcad | what it would require, though, is some good display support |
| 19:40.33 | starseeker | no kidding |
| 19:40.40 | brlcad | and probably annotations |
| 19:40.44 | starseeker | isn't sure if he has ever heard of such an approach to icons |
| 19:40.49 | brlcad | since most of the icons require some form of annotative overlay |
| 19:41.13 | starseeker | blender did their whole interface on opengl IIRC, but I don't think their icons are mini blender scenes.. |
| 19:41.32 | starseeker | probably made in blender though, come to think of it... |
| 19:41.44 | starseeker | that is a nifty idea |
| 19:43.00 | starseeker | probably would be for "new interface mark 2" though - lot of things need to be working really well to pull that off |
| 19:44.43 | brlcad | I wouldn't put it in archer, but it's not that complicated at all really |
| 19:45.19 | starseeker | is wondering about the performance implications of so many tiny shaded scenes |
| 19:45.45 | brlcad | you're making the scene, so it really can be just about anything -- e.g. bots so shaded display works, geometry for whatever annotations you want to display, etc .. text is the main stickler and something like ftgl solves that |
| 19:46.42 | starseeker | true - I was thinking more along the lines of how the display management would cope with it |
| 19:46.47 | brlcad | they're static scenes and don't even need to update each frame unless there are antialiased/transparent items in the icon |
| 19:47.50 | brlcad | it wouldn't be more than a few hundred polys per icon, likely less than 100 displayed at a time -- insignificant |
| 19:48.11 | starseeker | right, but wouldn't each icon be its own opengl context? |
| 19:48.23 | brlcad | and even if it were a problem, you grab it from the framebuffer and display static image until resizes |
| 19:48.28 | starseeker | maybe that isn't a problem... |
| 19:48.31 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:48.41 | brlcad | no, just the one context |
| 19:49.00 | starseeker | oh, right - full screen context with elements within it |
| 19:49.09 | starseeker | duh |
| 20:04.37 | brlcad | heh, cool |
| 20:06.17 | brlcad | it's now actually more efficient (space-wise) to store a sphere as a pnt primitive |
| 20:06.31 | starseeker | heh :-) |
| 20:06.36 | starseeker | neat! |
| 20:07.08 | brlcad | when I put that optimization in for per-point radius values, that makes it actually only store series of 3+1 instead of sph's usual serialization which is same as tgc (12) |
| 20:07.39 | brlcad | even with the pnt overhead (2 values), it's still less for a single sphere (6 values) |
| 20:07.52 | starseeker | is it worth reworking sph? |
| 20:07.54 | brlcad | half the storage :) |
| 20:08.00 | starseeker | cool! |
| 20:08.03 | brlcad | no, just funny |
| 20:08.30 | brlcad | sph does it that way so it's compatible and interchangeable with an ell (said tgc earlier, meant ell) |
| 20:08.43 | starseeker | figured ;-) |
| 20:09.17 | brlcad | and changing it would break db compatibility, so not really worth it |
| 20:09.33 | starseeker | nods |
| 20:09.38 | brlcad | would only matter if you had a lot of spheres.. and if you do, then you probably should be using a pnt anyways |
| 20:09.51 | starseeker | point :-P |
| 20:10.27 | brlcad | shakes his fist at this dotproduct |
| 20:13.19 | brlcad | ahhh, it's bug in the *current* mirror command too |
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| 20:43.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34418 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 20:43.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: mged inconsistently ignores signals. initially allows it to be backgrounded, |
| 20:43.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: but then later will ignore them. may be related to some issue introduced with |
| 20:43.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bu_suspend_interrupts() and libged, but either way it's really annoying and |
| 20:43.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: should be changed (ideally to allow them) |
| 21:06.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34419 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Need to convert/scale points to local units before calling routines that expect local units. |
| 21:07.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34420 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (move_arb_edge.c move_arb_face.c): Need to convert points from local to base units before using. |
| 21:14.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34421 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (Archer.tcl GeometryEditFrame.tcl): Provide better interaction when editing in Archer (i.e. update value panel and change the edit mode if the current edit class is not appropriate). |
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| 22:09.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34422 10/brlcad/trunk/include/vmath.h: |
| 22:09.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: instead of referring to the 4th component of a plane_t as [3], refer to it as |
| 22:09.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: [W] given it's effectively a homogeneous component for the normalized plane |
| 22:09.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: equation vector. aside from that, code shouldn't be accessing the element by a |
| 22:09.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: magic number regardless in case we want to change the implementation. |
| 22:19.49 | starseeker | will be wanting one of these if he has a yard someday: http://www.friendlyrobotics.com/ |
| 22:21.06 | starseeker | with that and roomba, life starts to get good :-) |
| 22:21.27 | starseeker | especially if you're a cat, apparently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ-jv8g1YVI |
| 22:38.38 | brlcad | starseeker: back to our earlier work (which we should pick up again sometime soon) since I just ran across it again, check out src/libbn/plane.c |
| 22:38.51 | brlcad | should look pretty familiar |
| 22:39.26 | starseeker | ah yes |
| 22:39.35 | starseeker | excellent :-) |
| 22:41.22 | starseeker | how robust are those? |
| 22:42.00 | brlcad | most of them do exactly what we'd want, doing a given test and taking tolerance into account |
| 22:42.15 | brlcad | a lot of line/point/plane tests, no curves |
| 22:42.20 | starseeker | excellent. |
| 22:42.26 | starseeker | yeah, I was looking for curves ;-) |
| 22:42.58 | brlcad | so specialized, like finding the intersection of three unique planes |
| 22:43.01 | brlcad | s/so/some/ |
| 22:43.35 | brlcad | or given three points, make a plane |
| 22:43.41 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:44.18 | starseeker | I've been trying to figure out if there are any good reference books containing algorithms for curve/* intersections |
| 22:50.42 | starseeker | hmmm. http://www.siggraph.org/s2009/sessions/courses/details/?type=course&id=6 |
| 22:56.42 | brlcad | not exactly what we were referring to earlier |
| 22:56.51 | brlcad | fully 3D user interfaces are a different beast altogether |
| 22:57.13 | brlcad | where you have windows and palletes and widgets floating around in space potentially |
| 22:57.24 | starseeker | mmm |
| 22:57.33 | Ralith | that strikes me as confusing. |
| 22:57.41 | starseeker | I was hoping they might talk about interacting with 3D models |
| 22:58.13 | starseeker | nuts - yeah, I'm not a big fan of 3D interfaces in that sense |
| 23:00.04 | brlcad | it still applies -- just depends what we're talking about |
| 23:00.54 | brlcad | for example, I've had in mind to use something like radial menus around objects that are selected (or to at least have it as an option) .. that becomes rather effective only if set in the 3d scene with the object |
| 23:01.19 | Ralith | oo, that does sound neat |
| 23:01.36 | Ralith | visually anyway; dunno if it'd be more usable than standard radial menus around the pointer. |
| 23:03.14 | ``Erik | pie menus are a nifty idea, but I imagine most users wouldn't follow them well because they're so ingrained in the drop menu paradigm :( |
| 23:03.16 | brlcad | yeah, there's some work that has shown it 'can' be effective, but depends on a lot of things |
| 23:03.53 | Ralith | the work I saw depended on it being around the cursor, though |
| 23:04.31 | Ralith | 'cuz then you get the ability to select any item with a very small constant amount of imprecise movement |
| 23:04.49 | Ralith | if it's not centered on the pointer, then I think you lose most of that advantage. |
| 23:05.06 | ``Erik | you also need to be away from a screen edge, and to break the users mentality |
| 23:05.12 | ``Erik | but it is a really neat idea |
| 23:06.03 | brlcad | that's just a matter of view-dependent scaling of the menu in the scene (which you would have to have) |
| 23:06.10 | brlcad | so that you don't end up with precision issues |
| 23:06.25 | ``Erik | what, the screen edge aspect? |
| 23:06.43 | brlcad | ``Erik: fortunately, we don't give them any such option at the moment .. so no behavior that we're breaking on our part :) |
| 23:06.59 | Ralith | hehe |
| 23:07.10 | ``Erik | if your user invokes right at the edge of the screen, do you draw a hemisphere? in a corner, just a quadrant? |
| 23:07.30 | Ralith | I'd just have the thing appear a little bit offset. |
| 23:07.34 | Ralith | it's not got *that* large a radius. |
| 23:07.36 | ``Erik | well, effort to add a feature that "doesn't feel right" to 99% of users is probably ... wasted |
| 23:07.54 | ``Erik | and if your pie expansion is towards the corner? |
| 23:08.00 | brlcad | technically, displaying the vertices in the 3D scene when an object being edited is a form of a 3D gui, particularly when you then allow vertices/objects/points to be selected and edited in the scene directly |
| 23:08.09 | Ralith | then that's a problem, I guess. You'd have to move everything. |
| 23:08.12 | ``Erik | moving hte menu out from under the user seems... almost criminal to me |
| 23:08.23 | Ralith | indeed. |
| 23:08.41 | Ralith | although... |
| 23:08.58 | Ralith | it might not be completely unreasonable to just swap the new menu in place of the old one, in general |
| 23:09.10 | ``Erik | technically, we don't support 3d gui yet... every "3d" thing any of us deal with are compressed into 2d for display.. :) (unless you do stereoscopics or a cave or something) |
| 23:09.11 | Ralith | kind of like GUI file browsers moved from new windowing all the time to just changing dir in the current window |
| 23:09.48 | ``Erik | ralith: most make that selectable, some have a number of approaches |
| 23:09.55 | Ralith | I think the effort of learning a CAD tool of any kind is enough that we're justified in being creative with GUI work, and possibly doing uncommon things. |
| 23:10.10 | brlcad | if the gui is in the scene, it's in the scene and is a normal "out of view" problem if an object is near the edge |
| 23:10.23 | ``Erik | I think the default mac 'finder' settings are abysmal, but still better than the default winderz explorer |
| 23:10.24 | Ralith | since, ultimately, any unfamiliarity induced by such will be less than the challenge posed by learning the fundementals of the system. |
| 23:10.46 | brlcad | i.e. the menu is displayed and they can't see it all because of where the object is, just like that control point they can't click because it's too close to a menu or the edge of a context or whatever |
| 23:10.57 | ``Erik | aint' sayin' it ain't a good idea, just playing devils advocate and looking for corner cases |
| 23:11.04 | brlcad | it's also not to say that it'd be the *only* method available |
| 23:11.28 | brlcad | there are a couple really good 'proof of concepts' out there that are remarkable |
| 23:11.45 | ``Erik | yeah, but they tend to be cotton candy examples, y'know? |
| 23:11.59 | ``Erik | if they're the couple that I was looking at around '00 or '01 |
| 23:12.05 | ``Erik | when the papers came out |
| 23:13.39 | ``Erik | I was looking at coding video game stuff at the time (so there's a lot of leeway in breaking user convention), I d'no, it seemed like a paper idea to me when talking serious production *shrug* |
| 23:13.52 | brlcad | these were working prototypes, don't have the link atm though |
| 23:14.17 | brlcad | here's an example that's not as impressive, but at least related and functional: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/225/942784_20070814_screen004.jpg |
| 23:14.28 | ``Erik | but I'm old, bitter and cynical... I like zui as a notion, but it'd take a ground shaking 'killer app' to move it from a geek curiousity to a real thing |
| 23:14.51 | ``Erik | ah, I hadn't seen that image before |
| 23:15.12 | ``Erik | the examples I saw made a bit point of concentric rings |
| 23:15.36 | brlcad | yeah, something like http://stevejbayer.com/files/images/2%20level%20Radial%20Menu.jpg |
| 23:16.05 | ``Erik | yes |
| 23:16.23 | ``Erik | the downside is what does that picture MEAN? to a cold user, wtf? |
| 23:16.42 | ``Erik | the video game picture, I think I understand... two of those images |
| 23:16.55 | brlcad | a variant of the radial is simply two horizontal menus and two vertical menus |
| 23:17.10 | ``Erik | I assume the wrench means "repair this unit" and the dollar sign means something about expenses... the rest... I d'no |
| 23:17.25 | brlcad | like I said, not as impressive -- the icons are not exactly intuitive outside the domain |
| 23:17.36 | brlcad | but then so are most of the icons in a CAD app to an outsider |
| 23:17.37 | ``Erik | but video games are lenient :) |
| 23:17.45 | ``Erik | *ponder* |
| 23:17.51 | ``Erik | brainfart time |
| 23:17.58 | ``Erik | imagine instead of a full circle of images |
| 23:17.58 | Ralith | tooltips come into their own here, too. |
| 23:18.08 | Ralith | or an equivalent. |
| 23:18.21 | ``Erik | ralith, if I have to mouseover something to understand what it is, the hci guys failed. |
| 23:18.33 | Ralith | you only have to mouseover it *once* though |
| 23:18.51 | ``Erik | ok, imagine two quarter-circles, centered on each side, with the functional text drifting off against it |
| 23:19.05 | ``Erik | uh, ralith, if I have to memorize from a mouseover, your hci has failed :D |
| 23:19.09 | Ralith | :[ |
| 23:19.28 | Ralith | large menu options w/ text instead of icons? |
| 23:19.32 | Ralith | which is what you seem to be suggesting. |
| 23:19.50 | Ralith | as brlcad says, I don't think you can do much about icons being unintuitive. |
| 23:20.16 | ``Erik | no, I suggest an amber screen with a cable bundle to a server :D |
| 23:20.51 | ``Erik | what's the infamous usenet quote? the only intuitive interface is the nipple? |
| 23:20.57 | brlcad | ideally, there's as little menu, buttons, and widgets as possible, the less the better is generally the case for usability (i.e., if it looks like something you should be able to do, then you should be able to do it.. lots of direct manipulation) |
| 23:21.31 | ``Erik | so when you design a gui, it's a balance between making things clean for a knowledgable superuser and accessable to a newbie |
| 23:21.43 | brlcad | it's more a matter of context management so that there's as little conflict of options as possible, without resorting to all-out modalities |
| 23:21.49 | ``Erik | I hate to say it, but the microsoft 'faded menu' approach appeals to the ugly truth fairly well |
| 23:22.08 | ``Erik | imho |
| 23:24.02 | brlcad | Ralith: that's why a lot of what you're doing is more leaning towards the work that's gone into IEO since that's a lot more about context management |
| 23:24.43 | ``Erik | aaaanyways, coders tend to look for glitzy 'neat' solutions that just make the mere mortal experience more difficult, I'm just trying to be 'that guy' to pull folk back to ground :) |
| 23:24.44 | brlcad | and not so much the 3D scene interaction |
| 23:26.00 | Ralith | but the glitzy neat solutions are glitzy and neat! |
| 23:26.22 | ``Erik | hehehehe precisely! I'm glad you understand! |
| 23:26.24 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:28.00 | ``Erik | my mother works for a bank, she just recently got approval to work from home... before that, she sat in an aeron chair, running XP... filled her screen with putty and ran a curses(or equivelant) program on a dusty as/400 |
| 23:28.01 | brlcad | would rather focus on trying to figure out how to make things work or implementing prototypes rather than spending time trying to navel gaze on all the possible ways that something might go wrong or be implemented poorly :) |
| 23:28.22 | ``Erik | there's glitzy neat stuff, and then there's stuff people use to get the job done :) |
| 23:28.44 | ``Erik | *point* yes, no glitz, get something working : |
| 23:28.45 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:29.09 | brlcad | "glitz" can often tie in almost directly to usability |
| 23:29.11 | ``Erik | wants the modelers to tell him what frustrates them the most :( |
| 23:29.20 | brlcad | depends entirely what you mean by glitz |
| 23:30.12 | brlcad | because very often, what many call glitz in some interfaces is actually HCI hinting, which can be very effective for shifting locus of attention |
| 23:30.19 | ``Erik | hm, yeah, I don't think there's a hard definition, I think I consider it to be eye candy that is not necessary to efficiently accomplish the task |
| 23:30.43 | ``Erik | when the gui inhibits the use, then it's just glitz |
| 23:30.46 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:30.59 | brlcad | e.g., the "genie minimize" or "scale minimize" in mac os x .. on the surface is purely 'glitz', a shiny effect .. but it's not |
| 23:31.07 | brlcad | it actually shows you where the window went |
| 23:31.09 | brlcad | very effective |
| 23:31.12 | brlcad | and looks cool to boot |
| 23:31.53 | brlcad | if you need to restore that working context, you were told exactly where it went, or at least the direction it went |
| 23:31.58 | ``Erik | <-- uses genie |
| 23:32.51 | brlcad | is it "necessary", absolutely not -- is it useful, very much so in combination with many other usability hints that are going on simultaneously |
| 23:33.01 | ``Erik | I've seen a lot of instances where code was developed to look cool, but the users felt it made things more difficult to use.. THAT is what I want to cut off |
| 23:33.15 | brlcad | well complain about that when you see it :) |
| 23:33.32 | ``Erik | and it's the user that matters, not the chapter about hinting in the hci book :D |
| 23:33.48 | brlcad | otherwise, it's just contemplating all the possible horrible ways things could go fantastically wrong |
| 23:34.10 | brlcad | which isn't productive :P |
| 23:34.15 | ``Erik | I called in sick today, I'm allowed to be the peanut gallery, damnit |
| 23:34.17 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:34.35 | Ralith | hehe |
| 23:34.38 | starseeker | not to mention I'll accidently stumble into at least 10 of the worst UI mistakes anyway, regardless |
| 23:34.48 | starseeker | so don't worry about it ;-) |
| 23:35.14 | starseeker | we'll just be ready to correct mistakes |
| 23:35.37 | ``Erik | pie menus are neat, I bet if you cut off the top and bottom quarters and put text next to the items (context based), it'd be more usable to a newbie |
| 23:36.29 | brlcad | that's the variant I mentioned that is basically two vertical and two horizontal menus |
| 23:36.32 | starseeker | remembers when he was learning Tribes, there were interactive tutorials that went through the uses and meanings of the various options |
| 23:36.50 | starseeker | was actually fairly effective |
| 23:37.12 | ``Erik | brlcad: ss? |
| 23:37.36 | brlcad | more radical hierarchical example: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/76817786_0cbe787afa_o_d.png (not a fan, but interesting nonetheless) |
| 23:37.47 | brlcad | ss? |
| 23:37.49 | starseeker | we could convert the cup tutorial steps into an in-gui step-by-step... |
| 23:37.57 | brlcad | the cup sucks |
| 23:37.58 | brlcad | it's boring |
| 23:37.59 | ``Erik | starseeker: yes, but video games are a special turf, like I mentioned earlier... that ti's challenging to operate is often considered a boon, unlike other apps |
| 23:38.05 | ``Erik | ss == screenshot |
| 23:38.10 | starseeker | well, something more interesting than the cup then |
| 23:38.11 | brlcad | ah, don't have one |
| 23:38.28 | brlcad | at least not on hand at the moment, there are some examples stashed away in my data archive |
| 23:38.38 | ``Erik | hm, that's an interesting image, but not what I mean |
| 23:38.50 | brlcad | I know, it was unrelated |
| 23:38.55 | brlcad | just another example |
| 23:39.02 | ``Erik | tell ya what, on thursday or friday, I can draw on my whiteboard, or gimp one up |
| 23:39.04 | archivist | that was fugly |
| 23:39.04 | starseeker | that is radical |
| 23:40.06 | starseeker | is a traditionalist in some ways - he likes what stellarium does with the toolbars hidden at the edges |
| 23:40.27 | ``Erik | tell ya what, man, amber crt, vt102, ... |
| 23:40.42 | starseeker | isn't THAT much of a traditionalist... |
| 23:40.58 | brlcad | that's what command-mode is for, part why it's first and fundamental ;) |
| 23:41.11 | brlcad | command mode is pervasively available |
| 23:41.13 | ``Erik | when the library bought wyse terminals to place next to the card catalog, that was hot shit |
| 23:41.38 | ``Erik | uhmmmmmmmm, lee had a question about the tcl command prompt in BRL-CAD on friday, did he get to you on that? |
| 23:41.44 | starseeker | well sure - if it's all you've got, vacuum tubes are the bomb |
| 23:42.00 | starseeker | to me? don't think so |
| 23:42.01 | starseeker | what was it? |
| 23:42.06 | ``Erik | to brlcad |
| 23:42.09 | starseeker | oh |
| 23:42.18 | ``Erik | s/^/brlcad: / |
| 23:42.19 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:42.29 | brlcad | what's interesting about a (well-designed) radial menu is that they're measurably more efficient than a linear menu due to directionality, spatial memorization, and distance travelled (fitts) so long as the menu stays small (and isn't a decision tree) |
| 23:42.54 | brlcad | ``Erik: think he did .. at least I talked to him friday and solved some problem for him |
| 23:43.02 | brlcad | don't remember what it was atm though |
| 23:43.15 | ``Erik | 'k, he was looking for some command to find something in a .g file and I didn' have an answer for him |
| 23:43.16 | brlcad | ah, catching a db get |
| 23:43.25 | brlcad | yeah |
| 23:43.33 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't do the tcl side |
| 23:43.33 | brlcad | problem solved |
| 23:43.37 | ``Erik | aight, good |
| 23:44.14 | ``Erik | y'know, I'm struck by differences in utilization of "world of warcraft" between me and redvsblue |
| 23:45.12 | ``Erik | I use addons to place icons in the fitts positions and pack my keyboard full of immediate commands, she likes to use the mouse for everything and doesn't have any command object in any corner or edge |
| 23:45.47 | starseeker | ``Erik: spoken like a true vim user :-) |
| 23:45.47 | ``Erik | (doesn't even run the program full screen) |
| 23:46.02 | brlcad | it was pretty simple -- if you do a "db get_type foo" in a db, it'll either tell you "foo"'s type if it found that object or return an error |
| 23:46.20 | brlcad | he was making a new user command and wanted to supress that error |
| 23:46.30 | ``Erik | I use both vim and emacs these days... and netbeans on occasion :) I like to imagine that I strive to be task oriented instead of tool oriented |
| 23:46.33 | brlcad | which is done by simply wrapping the command in a catch statement |
| 23:46.43 | brlcad | catch {db get_type foo} |
| 23:46.53 | brlcad | will return 0 or 1 on success/failure |
| 23:46.57 | ``Erik | ok, lee asked me and I immediately threw my hands up and said "ain't my turf" |
| 23:47.07 | brlcad | well now ya know ;) |
| 23:47.11 | brlcad | can catch most commands |
| 23:47.16 | ``Erik | I've already forgotten :D |
| 23:47.38 | ``Erik | when we get python and lisp wired in right, mebbe I'll pay more attention O:-) |
| 23:48.06 | brlcad | has little to do with tcl |
| 23:48.24 | ``Erik | if I had to write a mod for one of my eggdrop bots, I'd probably rewrite the bot in C to avoid being in the neighborhood of tcl |
| 23:48.42 | brlcad | in any arg-style command language it'd be nearly the same |
| 23:48.57 | ``Erik | I assume the tcl 'catch' is modelled after the 'error/catch' facility found in, uhhhh, lisp, snobol, etc? |
| 23:49.09 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 23:49.10 | ``Erik | um, like an exception? |
| 23:49.15 | ``Erik | in c++/jabba? |
| 23:49.18 | brlcad | sorta |
| 23:49.23 | brlcad | little more basic than exceptions |
| 23:49.32 | brlcad | just captures the result in a variable |
| 23:49.34 | ``Erik | oh, so it doesn't grok heirarchy |
| 23:49.42 | ``Erik | just a push/jmp/pop |
| 23:50.08 | brlcad | akin to something like: foo="`cat asdf 2>&1`" ; echo $? |
| 23:50.17 | brlcad | if this were posix shell interp |
| 23:50.24 | ``Erik | *nod* push/jmp/pop :) |
| 23:50.28 | brlcad | catch {cat asdf} foo |
| 23:53.27 | ``Erik | ralith == ben? |
| 23:54.10 | ``Erik | is looking at gsoc crap |
| 23:54.20 | madant_ | :) |
| 23:55.02 | ``Erik | ya'll with your weirdassed handles |
| 23:55.18 | ``Erik | Hi, my name is Erik, my handle is Erik, if you want to connect the dots, it's Erik. |
| 23:55.21 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:55.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34423 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (28 files in 17 dirs): universally use [W] instead of directly accessing plane_t's distance factor at index [3]. it's a homogeneous scaling factor. |
| 23:58.08 | ``Erik | w00t, :g/\[3\]/[W]/g ftw |
| 23:58.16 | brlcad | heh, not quite |
| 23:58.41 | ``Erik | is 'w' understandable in all those contexts, or commented if not? :D |
| 00:00.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34424 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (Makefile.am primitives/tor/tor_mirror.c): |
| 00:00.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: break out a tor_mirror() routine using the logic nearly identical to what is |
| 00:00.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: happening now in rt_mirror() with the exception of using a plane_t instead of |
| 00:00.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: pt+dir (so we still reconstruct pt+dir for now). first step towards a new |
| 00:00.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: primitive rt_###_mirror() callback on all primitives that takes an |
| 00:00.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: rt_db_internal and a plane to mirror across. |
| 00:00.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34425 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/table.c: declare this new rt_##name##_mirror() interface for all primitives |
| 00:00.59 | ``Erik | sits up |
| 00:01.03 | *** join/#brlcad madant (n=d@117.196.130.106) | |
| 00:01.12 | ``Erik | that's C macro abuse that I thought only I did |
| 00:01.14 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:01.25 | poolio | argh. My external HD died and I fail at keeping two backups D: |
| 00:03.14 | ``Erik | hey, brlcad, if I buy you a tb sata drive, will they shove it in your server? |
| 00:04.33 | brlcad | last time I asked them, they said no but that was over a year ago |
| 00:04.49 | brlcad | they sell them at like 4x markup :) |
| 00:05.06 | ``Erik | heh, but you're colo, not service |
| 00:05.23 | ``Erik | you actually own the piece of hardware in their rack, right? |
| 00:06.33 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 00:07.18 | ``Erik | 400 for a tb on a remote server... hrm, and I imagine they're not keen on 'dilbert' style disk packs? |
| 00:07.32 | ``Erik | uh, sun d100 packages |
| 00:08.04 | ``Erik | external disk packs |
| 00:16.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34426 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_rt_isect.c: massive cleanup, ws, style, indent, dead code |
| 00:30.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34427 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/patch/patch-g.c: massive cleanup, ws, style, indent, dead code, missing semicolons on macros |
| 00:34.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34428 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/bigE.c: missing a few semis on macros, clean up comment wraps |
| 00:38.29 | brlcad | another relevant example that's a working radial extension for fireforx (and is mildly interesting, but still suboptimal in many regards) |
| 00:38.44 | brlcad | certainly more developed to production and customizability at least though |
| 00:40.13 | brlcad | and specifically relevant: http://www.qtsoftware.com/products/appdev/add-on-products/catalog/3/Widgets/qtpiemenu |
| 00:40.37 | brlcad | or http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq11-piemenu.html |
| 00:42.09 | brlcad | and more boringly, how maya puts them to use: http://hci.deri.ie/%7Eksamp/pie.png |
| 00:47.31 | ``Erik | hm, what about taskfox? |
| 00:47.43 | ``Erik | any opinion on that endeavor? |
| 00:49.07 | ``Erik | the qt ones look decent, the maya one looks bad |
| 01:07.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34429 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/plane.c: ws, style consistency, and major comment cleanup |
| 01:09.04 | brlcad | maya's is surprisingly effective, having used it -- it basically eliminates the first level of a right-click context menu showing you the most common right there, then drops down menus for those subactions |
| 01:09.14 | brlcad | just looks like hell, but probably the most used outside of gaming |
| 01:10.30 | brlcad | taskfox is a different beast altogether -- it's fantastic stuff and already part of IEO |
| 01:11.43 | brlcad | it's basically an application-specific version of 'quicksilver' for mac os x, I think they were the first to "make it look good" |
| 01:14.08 | brlcad | if ralith got nothing more than the launcher working for registered commands with the look n' feel cleaned up, keybindings working, overlay working, shortcuts working, and gui conversion .. that's be .. impressive :) |
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| 02:58.01 | Mike111 | hi all |
| 02:59.54 | madant | hi Mike111 |
| 03:00.13 | Mike111 | hi madant |
| 03:01.41 | Mike111 | I am unable to install 7.14.6 on Debian Lenny, P6 (32bit). Sean advised to use this channel for help. |
| 04:59.59 | brlcad | Mike111: thanks for stopping by -- best suggestion at this point is to try a clean build step-by-step and we can then make changes from a known state |
| 05:00.23 | brlcad | start by checking out the SVN sources, run this: |
| 05:00.26 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 05:00.26 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 05:01.09 | brlcad | after that, run: sh autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-all && make |
| 05:01.30 | brlcad | then if we hit the link error again, we can try some edits |
| 05:01.30 | Mike111 | thanks, brlcad |
| 05:02.46 | Mike111 | I'm unable to this now, maybe in an hour. How long will you be here? |
| 05:02.47 | brlcad | save a transcript of your console to a file using your terminal's history or via the 'script' command |
| 05:02.58 | madant | we are always here :) |
| 05:03.28 | Mike111 | great. Speak soon. |
| 05:03.30 | brlcad | someone is always here and even if nobody responds, you can post your status/question/nextstep/etc and someone eventually will |
| 05:04.05 | brlcad | like how I just answered you two hours after your statement -- you just stay idle and wait |
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| 07:40.26 | mafm | hi |
| 07:47.10 | pacman87 | good morning |
| 07:48.24 | pacman87 | is currently in the middle of coding tetris in assembly for the 6811 |
| 07:50.26 | pacman87 | anyone know a good way to fit a capital N into a 3x5 pixel font? |
| 07:50.59 | archivist | 3x5!!! too small |
| 07:51.19 | pacman87 | it's for a LCD display with a rather large pixel pitch |
| 07:51.26 | archivist | 5x7 is bad enough |
| 07:51.39 | pacman87 | i only have so much room |
| 07:51.46 | pacman87 | 128x64 pixels |
| 07:52.23 | pacman87 | my N is currently all 5, middle 3, all 5 for the columns |
| 07:53.48 | archivist | I spent many hours making charsets 20 years ago |
| 07:54.19 | pacman87 | i don't really like my K either |
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| 11:48.51 | ``Erik | 6811, awesome, I did some asm and hw work on 6811 and 6812 back in college :) |
| 11:49.11 | ``Erik | 8x8 is the true character space :( pheer c64 |
| 11:49.37 | pacman87 | i've got a 6811 and a 6812 sitting on my desk atm |
| 11:49.45 | ``Erik | um, looking up screenshots of old atari and nintendo games might help with figuring out fonts? |
| 11:49.59 | pacman87 | program the 6811 EEPROM through the 6812 |
| 11:50.06 | ``Erik | heheh |
| 11:50.30 | ``Erik | we had a grab bag of 6811's in my 'digital logic' class, but hte books were all for 6812 |
| 11:50.38 | ``Erik | so we kept finding the minor gotchas |
| 11:51.21 | ``Erik | nice enough chip, reminded my of my 6502 hacking days :) |
| 11:52.28 | ``Erik | brlcad: the maya ss makes me think that position and layout is irregular... like it flies the flag to memorization and muscle memory |
| 12:03.52 | archivist | did a report 6800 v 6502 v 6502 for some maths, 2 meg 6502 won :) |
| 12:04.14 | archivist | one of those should be Z80 |
| 12:04.58 | archivist | Z80 wastes so much time shuffling via the A reg |
| 12:08.48 | d-lo | brlcad: 'Practical Subversion' book... you trying to say sumthin?! =D |
| 12:17.26 | brlcad | d-lo: nope, you were just talking about getting to it soon -- didn't know if you knew that I had that |
| 12:17.29 | brlcad | it covers the libs |
| 12:17.47 | d-lo | I figured, just j/k 'round. |
| 12:18.01 | d-lo | started paging through it since it was on my desk. |
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| 12:58.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34430 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: begin migration towards using the rt_*_mirror() interface, setting up the mirror plane equation needed by the primitive. stubbed in for the moment until a bug is fixed (likely introduced during r34263 refactoring) |
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| 13:58.02 | d-lo | brlcad: Build looks like it is failing on mirror.c |
| 13:58.50 | d-lo | -> " *** No rule to make target `mirror.c', needed by `mirror.lo'. Stop. " |
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| 14:15.42 | ``Erik | make distclean might be the lynchpin for ya |
| 14:18.42 | brlcad | yeah, you've not updated in a while (tsk tsk) |
| 14:26.02 | ``Erik | heh |
| 14:42.55 | d-lo | it was building fine *till* i updated :P |
| 14:46.35 | d-lo | and I update daily thankyouveddymuch! |
| 14:50.06 | d-lo | ``Erik: Is the dude fixn yer house? |
| 14:51.13 | d-lo | make distclean ftw. |
| 14:52.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34431 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: I apparently broke mirroring a few days ago while refactoring, must fix before release. |
| 14:55.00 | brlcad | hm, that doesn't sound right -- mirror.c was moved on 2009-04-13 |
| 14:55.16 | brlcad | probably just didn't rebuild librt since then |
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| 17:58.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34432 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: thought this was already the case, but maybe not.. the dbconcat/concat command no longer requires an affix, allowing it to default to behave as if '/' was specified if no prefix/suffix is provided. |
| 18:05.09 | starseeker | ah - there they are. Open Inventor input routines appear to be in SoInput and SoDB |
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| 19:15.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34433 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/scale_ell.c: |
| 19:15.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: add comments about how scale_ell seems to be a bad direction to go in as it's |
| 19:15.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: specific to a primitive's internal structure (no command should need to know the |
| 19:15.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: internal structure of any primitive) and specific to a scaling operation. all |
| 19:15.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: objects already define a matrix transformation callback that implements this |
| 19:15.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: same logic. |
| 19:21.53 | d-lo | Ralith: How goes the GUI? Done yet? |
| 19:22.01 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:29.16 | ``Erik | wow, I can't believe how bad this movie is :( "big trouble in little china" |
| 20:29.26 | ``Erik | I thought this was cool in the 80's |
| 20:31.44 | brlcad | it was cool .. in the 80's |
| 20:31.56 | brlcad | so were mc hammer pants |
| 20:32.22 | brlcad | shuffles off sideways saying "you can't touch this!" |
| 20:33.00 | ``Erik | hahaha |
| 20:33.17 | ``Erik | shut up, I had parachute pants in the 80's |
| 20:33.18 | ``Erik | :D |
| 20:33.47 | ``Erik | it was a... special time |
| 20:35.00 | ``Erik | honestly cannot see brlcad doing that irl, thinks he's too meek O.o |
| 20:35.34 | brlcad | i actually used to be able to (somewhat, albeit still geekishly), but yeah .. probably not :) |
| 20:35.57 | ``Erik | have you done iphone dev? |
| 20:36.41 | brlcad | read through much of the docs, have/had the account, and written up some code for it |
| 20:36.54 | brlcad | but nothing noteworthy, just checking it out |
| 20:37.27 | ``Erik | I talked to a friend last night who's an ueber coordinator, he has assembled a crew to write a game and is trying to pin me down as the code monkey, I'm under the impression that it's a pretty simple cocoa/objc dealie, just lookin' for confirmation (or gotchas) |
| 20:38.07 | brlcad | wow.. lotus extrema does 0->60 in 2.8s |
| 20:38.24 | ``Erik | ow, is that electric? |
| 20:38.48 | ``Erik | m3 does 0-20000 real fast ;) *Duck* |
| 20:38.55 | ``Erik | $20,000 that is |
| 20:38.59 | brlcad | nope, just put a beast engine in |
| 20:39.08 | brlcad | http://www.teamspeed.com/forums/lotus/17242-uk-garage-presents-lotus-extrema.html |
| 20:39.19 | ``Erik | you're using what, a 220 hp toyota 4cyl? |
| 20:39.42 | ``Erik | no, 190hp? euro spec is 130hp? |
| 20:39.55 | brlcad | around 190 iirc |
| 20:40.13 | ``Erik | na? |
| 20:41.01 | ``Erik | ok... white boy shoots gun striaght up, bad "pew pew" sound effects, rock comes down and knocks him out.... effin' retarded |
| 20:41.12 | ``Erik | <-- tries not to do the mc hammer shuffle |
| 20:41.59 | ``Erik | (that they can fit a 'vettes v8 "up-rated" engine in an elise is disturbing) |
| 20:43.36 | ``Erik | only $100k, though |
| 20:44.09 | brlcad | yeah, that had to be a feat in itself |
| 20:45.55 | ``Erik | there was, iirc, a camaro model that could do 0-60 in 2.8 |
| 20:46.06 | ``Erik | was pushing over 1k bhp on the flywheel, though |
| 20:46.35 | ``Erik | that low end performance screams electric to me :) |
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| 21:51.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34434 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 21:51.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: finally was able to reproduce john's error message about tab-completion giving a |
| 21:51.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bind error. seems as though it only sometimes happens, even for -c mode, |
| 21:51.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: depending on whether the currently running mged finds tcl resources? either |
| 21:51.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: way, it does exist... :) |
| 22:54.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34435 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: Hmm - Sean spotted where nirt doesn't parse the -e option very well in MGED - space between -e and quote character fails |
| 22:57.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34436 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe.c): Fix bug where raytracing of pipe was crashing if duplicate hit points showed up - incorrect decrementing of *nh was the problem. |
| 22:57.44 | starseeker | does little happy dance |
| 23:01.59 | Ralith | d-lo: well, it was, but then I decided to rewrite it in FORTRAN |
| 23:09.15 | ``Erik | not cobol? |
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| 03:15.34 | brlcad | starseeker: hehe, cool |
| 03:42.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34437 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe.c: ws indent style cleanup plus consistently wrap all of the (*nh) to be encased consistently in wraps. |
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| 05:24.25 | elena | ~log |
| 05:24.26 | ibot | methinks log is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowhead/ |
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| 11:30.32 | d-lo | brlcad & ``Erik: something as small as that lotus, doing 0-120mph in 7 seconds, is frightening to say the least... |
| 11:31.25 | d-lo | Ralith: FORTRAN is good, just make sure the GUI is scriptable with VBA. |
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| 11:48.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34438 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/Makefile.am: fixing step-g build |
| 12:25.09 | brlcad | notes that apparently broke the build (possibly just distcheck) |
| 12:30.05 | d-lo | brlcad: are you talking about r34438? |
| 12:30.55 | brlcad | yep |
| 12:31.46 | brlcad | can you take a look, https://pawl.arl.army.mil/cruisecontrol/builds/brlcad-trunk/34438 |
| 12:32.30 | brlcad | should be able to expand the log, get details at the bottom |
| 12:33.59 | d-lo | ...the only thing I see is a warning. No errors. Additionally, is it a bad sign that it builds fine on my machine? ;) |
| 12:34.44 | brlcad | what's the warning? |
| 12:35.01 | d-lo | "config.status: WARNING: Makefile.in seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting " |
| 12:35.10 | brlcad | it's not a bad sign, you're not testing nearly as much as the regression test is |
| 12:35.58 | brlcad | could be a cruisecontrol hiccup -- look at the latest log (take off /34438 from the url) |
| 12:36.15 | brlcad | looks like it may have been interrupted and restarted as there is a .1 |
| 12:37.46 | brlcad | build is fine here too, so it could be a false positive .. the full tests take a half hour though so won't know for a bit |
| 12:38.02 | d-lo | strange. I am no expert (duh) but it lookes like once the ./configure is complete, it fires off a distclean and then stops in the middle of it. |
| 12:39.11 | brlcad | ehm, are you looking at the full log? |
| 12:40.04 | d-lo | strangeness. interweb hiccup. F5 for the win. |
| 12:41.38 | d-lo | is the regression testing using Automake v1.10 on purpose? Seems a bit old. |
| 12:42.48 | brlcad | no, it's just using the system default |
| 12:42.50 | brlcad | 1.10 is fine |
| 12:43.06 | brlcad | in fact, ours should even work all the way through 1.6 |
| 12:43.27 | brlcad | autogen has version validation checks |
| 12:43.36 | d-lo | well this machine has 1.9.6 installed and it seems to be working just fine. |
| 12:44.13 | brlcad | eh |
| 12:44.15 | brlcad | missing something |
| 12:44.20 | brlcad | what did the cc log say? |
| 12:44.46 | brlcad | it's what's saying it failed, that's all that really matters to check |
| 12:45.17 | brlcad | repost it to pastebin |
| 12:47.28 | d-lo | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m1ed56600 |
| 12:48.15 | brlcad | make[3]: ../../../src/other/step/src/fedex_plus/fedex_plus: Command not found |
| 12:48.28 | brlcad | thats the error |
| 12:48.35 | d-lo | right, I figured :) |
| 12:50.33 | brlcad | trying to build the fedex sources, yours probably skips that build rule on a regular build, but those sources are needed for a distcheck |
| 12:51.03 | brlcad | s/probably skips/is skipping/ |
| 12:54.06 | brlcad | he needs to try a distcheck |
| 12:54.39 | d-lo | to be clear: make distcheck should recreate the same error that cc is reporting? |
| 12:55.22 | brlcad | I believe so, think the problem is just that built_sources is in extra_dist |
| 12:56.18 | brlcad | ah, he added them to SOURCES, so yeah that means they need to be in the dist |
| 13:00.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34439 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/Makefile.am: annotate three FIXME's in this file that should help with the distchecking and build cleanup |
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| 13:45.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34440 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe.c: Add the key pipe fix to stable - looks like trunk has some of the ifree tweaks in it so wait for a proper merge to sync pipe.c with the trunk pipe.c |
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| 13:58.40 | mafm | hi |
| 14:17.05 | phyTurtle | Hi, I'm a newcomer of using brlcad |
| 14:17.28 | elena | hi |
| 14:17.45 | phyTurtle | nowadays, I'm learning using brlcad following tutorial. |
| 14:18.54 | phyTurtle | Also, I read some source code to see what I can contribute to code. |
| 14:19.54 | phyTurtle | However, I couldn't where I can start. |
| 14:20.21 | elena | you could try to fix a small bug |
| 14:20.37 | phyTurtle | So, dose anybody tell me a starring point? |
| 14:20.44 | phyTurtle | bugs? |
| 14:21.03 | elena | if you want to contribute. |
| 14:21.22 | elena | if you want to learn how to use it, the tutorial is a great place to start. |
| 14:21.55 | phyTurtle | then how about learing the mechanism of the program? |
| 14:22.18 | phyTurtle | is bug fixing still good way to learing it? |
| 14:22.35 | elena | I can't answer that. |
| 14:22.47 | elena | but I guess it depends on you. |
| 14:23.12 | elena | do you feel you're learning by tracking bugs. |
| 14:23.14 | elena | ? |
| 14:23.53 | phyTurtle | well.... |
| 14:24.02 | ``Erik | there're ~400 executables, many libraries... it's a big package, you'd have to figure out which part you're interested in before really jumping in... :) |
| 14:24.03 | phyTurtle | Yes.. Many times.. |
| 14:24.31 | phyTurtle | Actually, I am a physicist. |
| 14:24.43 | elena | waves ``Erik |
| 14:24.44 | phyTurtle | So, I'm not good at programming.. |
| 14:24.50 | starseeker | howdy elena |
| 14:24.51 | ``Erik | *wave* |
| 14:24.57 | elena | hi starseeker. |
| 14:25.15 | ``Erik | c'mon, starseeker, stand up and sit down, we're doing the wave here :D |
| 14:25.25 | elena | than jumping right to bugs might not be a good idea. |
| 14:25.31 | elena | than => then |
| 14:25.44 | starseeker | crushes chairs doing that |
| 14:25.46 | phyTurtle | hmm.. |
| 14:26.32 | elena | did you managed to checkout and build brlcad? |
| 14:27.08 | elena | btw, fyi, i'm a brlcad user, not programmer. |
| 14:27.54 | phyTurtle | sorry, pardon? I can't follow you.. what is fyi? |
| 14:28.03 | ``Erik | "for your information" |
| 14:28.05 | elena | for your information |
| 14:29.02 | elena | btw = by the way. |
| 14:30.54 | phyTurtle | do you mean that I installed on my system with source code? |
| 14:31.06 | elena | yes. |
| 14:31.09 | phyTurtle | yes |
| 14:31.20 | elena | what's your system, btw. just curious. |
| 14:31.25 | phyTurtle | I used source code and built on my linux system |
| 14:31.31 | phyTurtle | ubuntu 8.04 |
| 14:31.39 | elena | ok. that's a good start. |
| 14:31.51 | phyTurtle | thanks |
| 14:32.03 | starseeker | phyTurtle: what are your interests? CAD is a big field, do you have specific subject areas in mind? |
| 14:32.09 | phyTurtle | yes |
| 14:32.23 | phyTurtle | I am developing FDTD library |
| 14:32.39 | brlcad | howdy phyTurtle |
| 14:32.45 | brlcad | and welcome! |
| 14:32.54 | phyTurtle | Finite Difference Time domain method which is a Electromagnetic simulation algorithm |
| 14:32.55 | d-lo | hai phyTurtle! |
| 14:33.03 | phyTurtle | hello. |
| 14:33.07 | d-lo | regular party up in here. |
| 14:33.40 | starseeker | phyTurtle: Is your interest to integrate that method with the physical geometry abilities of a CAD system? |
| 14:33.51 | phyTurtle | In the FDTD Library, inserting structure is horrible task. |
| 14:34.14 | phyTurtle | especially 3D structure simulation. |
| 14:34.49 | phyTurtle | So I seek some software which could modle solid structure |
| 14:35.07 | phyTurtle | modle->model |
| 14:35.09 | starseeker | what sort of structural information do you need for a FDTD analysis? surfaces, volumes, triangles... |
| 14:35.39 | phyTurtle | Just the info of mesh point |
| 14:36.07 | starseeker | ok, so the geometry problem is merging meshes? |
| 14:36.09 | phyTurtle | FDTD use rectangular mesh to model electric field and magnetic field |
| 14:36.13 | phyTurtle | yes |
| 14:36.16 | brlcad | phyTurtle: are you at all interested in data processing (like wavelets, FFTs, etc) or mostly modeling and/or geometry? |
| 14:36.27 | phyTurtle | mostly geometry |
| 14:37.00 | phyTurtle | I need info of points which intersect with solid objects |
| 14:37.03 | brlcad | cool, then a great starting point (on the programming side) is our procedural modeling facilities |
| 14:37.14 | brlcad | maybe starting out with a little program that "makes something" |
| 14:37.23 | phyTurtle | ok.. |
| 14:37.34 | brlcad | there are lots of examples to get you started, but that's one area that's pretty well defined and easy to get into |
| 14:37.56 | phyTurtle | well I have found that 'NIRT' do the task I need |
| 14:38.16 | brlcad | are you specifically interested in programming or are you looking for how you can "get things done" for whatever your end goals are? |
| 14:38.31 | brlcad | like the difference between writing an app or writing a script that does the same thing |
| 14:38.46 | phyTurtle | Well shot goal is find the points which intersect the objedts.. |
| 14:39.12 | brlcad | scripting nirt is a great way to sample geometry, get in/out hit points along a given line as it intersects geometry |
| 14:39.20 | phyTurtle | and the great goal is joining the brlcad programming.. |
| 14:39.26 | brlcad | :) |
| 14:39.41 | brlcad | but then to shoot nirt .. you need to have geometry to shoot at |
| 14:39.44 | brlcad | what is your data now? |
| 14:39.59 | brlcad | in your head? design specs? models in other cad formats? |
| 14:39.59 | starseeker | wait... do you have pre-existing meshes you need to intersect rays with, or do you actually need to merge two distinct meshes into a single mesh? |
| 14:41.29 | phyTurtle | my plan is using brlcad, modelling simulation structure first |
| 14:42.11 | phyTurtle | second, defining mesh (ray) which I want know intersection points |
| 14:42.36 | phyTurtle | third, saving intersecting points for each mesh grid. |
| 14:42.59 | brlcad | so you have some running simulation code, then, and from that simulation you already have geometry or you will need to derive geometry? |
| 14:43.19 | phyTurtle | brfore the simulation. |
| 14:43.49 | phyTurtle | I should define the geometry. |
| 14:43.51 | brlcad | so you're going to model something and put it into a simulation |
| 14:43.54 | brlcad | okay |
| 14:43.56 | phyTurtle | yes |
| 14:44.08 | phyTurtle | It is not time running modeling. |
| 14:45.18 | phyTurtle | I just skimed the nirt tutorial. |
| 14:45.19 | brlcad | so some sort of way to represent an electric field and a magnetic field |
| 14:45.43 | phyTurtle | well.. |
| 14:45.53 | phyTurtle | for example. |
| 14:46.15 | phyTurtle | I put the dielectric sphere ball in the space. |
| 14:46.46 | phyTurtle | and insert incident wave(initial condition) |
| 14:47.14 | phyTurtle | later, by the dielectric sphere, electric field and magnetic field is changed. |
| 14:47.25 | phyTurtle | I need to model the dielectric sphere. |
| 14:47.32 | phyTurtle | not the field info. |
| 14:49.58 | phyTurtle | Some of FDTD developer used AutoCad or ACIS to model the dielectric sphere. |
| 14:50.24 | phyTurtle | So, I searched similar library and I found brlcad. |
| 14:54.03 | elena | have to go. bye |
| 14:54.09 | d-lo | bye! |
| 14:54.10 | brlcad | cya elena! |
| 14:54.25 | elena | good luck, phy. let me know how it goes. |
| 14:54.29 | phyTurtle | bye! |
| 14:54.31 | phyTurtle | yes |
| 14:54.51 | brlcad | phyTurtle: ever worked with metaballs? |
| 14:55.05 | phyTurtle | no |
| 14:55.07 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/primitives/niceballs.png.html |
| 14:55.29 | brlcad | promises that it's safe for work :) |
| 14:55.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34441 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/clstepcore/ (sdaiSelect.cc sdaiSelect.h): Changed a return type from int to long in order to support building on 64bit hardware. |
| 14:56.43 | phyTurtle | what is metaball? |
| 14:57.20 | phyTurtle | now I'm looking the image.. but I can't figure out what it is.. |
| 14:59.40 | brlcad | another example: http://www.math.sunysb.edu/%7Esorin/online-docs/blender/html/x2708.html |
| 15:00.08 | brlcad | basically they are points with a 'weight' .. that then cause volumes and field effects |
| 15:01.23 | brlcad | so that you get blended volume between your field points |
| 15:02.02 | brlcad | ah, here we go.. some nice examples: http://sayinghai.com/metaballs3d.html |
| 15:06.28 | phyTurtle | is metaball using raytracing too? |
| 15:09.01 | phyTurtle | I need the info that if a ray intersect a solid, what the intersection point is, on rectangular coordinate. |
| 15:09.53 | phyTurtle | I think I need to study elimentary computational geometry and ray tracing. |
| 15:10.36 | phyTurtle | so, could you recommand me some reference? book or paper..? |
| 15:25.05 | brlcad | yes, you can shoot a nirt ray at a metaball too |
| 15:25.27 | brlcad | it does represent a solid with defined inside/outside characterization |
| 15:28.30 | brlcad | really don't think studying computational geometry or ray tracing is going to help you get up to speed, but there are lots of great books and papers (thousands really) .. |
| 15:29.11 | phyTurtle | ok. thanks^^ |
| 15:29.24 | phyTurtle | now I should go. |
| 15:29.35 | phyTurtle | here is 24:30 now. |
| 15:29.57 | phyTurtle | see you later . bye! |
| 15:29.58 | brlcad | okay, good talking to you |
| 15:30.07 | brlcad | someone's generally always here ;) |
| 15:30.08 | brlcad | cya |
| 15:30.20 | phyTurtle | thanks. bye |
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| 15:34.24 | starseeker | was thinking mesh intersections would be a good excuse to integrate GTS |
| 15:35.50 | starseeker | It's not a problem with the pipe solid data - it's a problem with how the pipe code was handling one particular case in the shot results. If you raytrace from a slightly different view you might avoid the problematic case, but odds are equally good you'll still run into it. |
| 15:35.54 | starseeker | I'll push the fix into the STABLE branch this morning, but I don't think there's anything you can do to the pipe itself to avoid the bug. |
| 15:36.00 | starseeker | whoops |
| 15:36.01 | starseeker | sorry |
| 15:37.27 | starseeker | mutters under his breath about text selection integration on Mac between X11 and normal apps... |
| 15:37.52 | starseeker | Anyway, http://gts.sourceforge.net/gallery.html shows some examples of mesh intersections, unions, subtractions, etc |
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| 18:35.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34448 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: Put back declarations for rt_pipept_print and rt_metaballpt_print. |
| 18:37.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34449 10/brlcad/trunk/src/fb/fbfade.c: Do an #ifndef drand48 before defining a drand48 function. |
| 19:06.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34450 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (terrain.c vegitation.c): Do an #ifndef drand48 before defining a drand48 function. |
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| 19:23.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34451 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 19:23.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: this one is borderline user-visible but does impact the style/appearance of mged |
| 19:23.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: and archer so go ahead and mention it. bob worked on converting several/many of |
| 19:23.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the widgets in archer and a couple in mged over to using the new tk 'ttk' |
| 19:23.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: widgets. ttk is a new modular themable widget system developed for tcl/tk 8.5. |
| 19:23.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: these new widgets even further make BLT unnecessary. |
| 20:15.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34452 10/brlcad/trunk/src/fb/fbfade.c: consistency cleanup, remove ancient irrelevant docs |
| 20:17.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34453 10/brlcad/trunk/src/fb/fbfade.c: it's already wrapped, kinda silly to double-wrap it |
| 20:18.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34454 10/brlcad/trunk/include/config_win.h: it's provided as a define for windows, so define HAVE_DRAND48 to true |
| 20:19.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34455 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ (common.h opennurbs_ext.h): Mods for building on Windows. |
| 20:33.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34456 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (terrain.c vegitation.c): ya killin' me bob. revert r34450. HAVE_DRAND48 is now defined per config_win.h so shouldn't need all that hackery and code duplication. if you need the same code in more than one place, it's the wrong way. |
| 20:35.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34457 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/Makefile.am: reverting back to revision 34408 to fix distcheck on cruisecontrol will clean up monday |
| 20:36.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34458 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/terrain.c: should be the other way around. rand_s() is very windowsy. some minor ws cleanup too. |
| 20:48.27 | ``Erik | ah, dave applied the fix to src/other/step that I was about to dig into (I think it's treating it like a boolean, so the extra precision is unnecessary) |
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| 21:55.15 | rincon | does brl cad has dimensioning facilities, distance measuring tools, and precision enough to make engineering 2d drawings |
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| 22:00.01 | brlcad | rincon: there are very limited dimensioning facilities (at least for producing 2d drawings), nothing automatic |
| 22:00.12 | brlcad | there are various measuring tools, though, very good ones at that |
| 22:00.37 | brlcad | there's also automatic drawing generation, just unannotated |
| 22:00.49 | brlcad | e.g., http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/havoc_rtedge.png.html |
| 22:01.24 | brlcad | if you wanted to add annotations for dimensions, though, you'd have to calculate them and add them to the image manually |
| 22:01.38 | brlcad | would be a great addition for someone to make, but to date hasn't happened |
| 22:01.50 | rincon | verical horizontal and radial are enough dimensioning facilities for me, does it has it? |
| 22:02.11 | brlcad | ``Erik: you should fix that better .. that pointer->int/long cast seems wrong |
| 22:02.22 | brlcad | make it return a bool if it's a bool |
| 22:02.52 | brlcad | rincon: yeah, those are easy to calculate -- you can create a bounding box around any arbitrary object and get the dimensions of that box |
| 22:03.27 | brlcad | could even probably script them together so it's a one step operation if you really needed to call it a lot |
| 22:03.42 | rincon | brlcad: what i mean is to draw dimensioning symbols |
| 22:04.30 | rincon | like basic dimensioning autocad facilities does? |--------| ...... |
| 22:05.29 | brlcad | starseeker: for those particular cases, gts provides nothing that nmg doesn't already do |
| 22:05.48 | brlcad | and even better, our nmg routines should do much better to preserve solidity (gts doesn't care) |
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| 22:06.51 | brlcad | rincon: i know what you mean -- that's what I was referring to with "you'd have to calculate them and add them to the image manually" |
| 22:07.13 | brlcad | calculating the dimension is done fairly easily, but not automatic, and not graphically |
| 22:07.36 | brlcad | you'd have to add whatever dimensions you want to the image manually |
| 22:08.10 | brlcad | that's more a drafting feature, so we just haven't had a lot of demand/priority for it compared to other issues |
| 22:08.30 | rincon | does brl cad has the capability of drawing a circle of radius 0.0000001 ? |
| 22:08.38 | brlcad | sure |
| 22:09.41 | brlcad | have to keep absolute units into account, though |
| 22:09.58 | brlcad | all values are stored as mm, so you'd have to be working in a larger scale |
| 22:10.49 | rincon | brlcad: can you draw in m in brlcad? |
| 22:10.51 | brlcad | you can shift the scale by setting a much larger working scale to the model |
| 22:10.57 | brlcad | sure |
| 22:10.58 | rincon | meters? |
| 22:11.01 | brlcad | "units m" |
| 22:11.13 | brlcad | you can arbitrarily change your units as needed |
| 22:11.24 | rincon | that is good |
| 22:12.16 | brlcad | it's common that a modeler will have part data for one object in meters, another in feet, yet another part in mm .. you just set units while you work and everything is seamless |
| 22:12.44 | rincon | brlcad: in that particular is better than autocad |
| 22:13.25 | brlcad | we're better than autocad in *many* ways under the hood .. |
| 22:13.35 | brlcad | we're just a lot worse with regards to GUI and usability :) |
| 22:13.49 | rincon | brlcad: the dimensioning part needs more collaboration |
| 22:13.59 | brlcad | sure, you going to work on it? :) |
| 22:14.34 | rincon | brlcad: i do not have enough time, by now by i'd like to |
| 22:14.43 | rincon | by=but |
| 22:14.54 | brlcad | common problem |
| 22:15.00 | brlcad | which is why it's not implemented ;) |
| 22:15.25 | rincon | brlcad: yes i will collaborate some of these days |
| 22:15.32 | rincon | give me time |
| 22:19.04 | rincon | brlcad: does brlcad use layers , and groups objects into compound block entiities? |
| 22:19.59 | brlcad | layers can be achieved through combinations, but they aren't specific/separate entities |
| 22:20.07 | brlcad | they are generalized object groupings |
| 22:20.43 | brlcad | so 'yes', but not exactly the same way as autocad -- can achieve the exact same end-result though |
| 22:21.44 | rincon | but can you group automatically as you draw, or you have to add objects one by one? |
| 22:23.17 | brlcad | latter, nearly everything is explicit (intentionally) |
| 22:24.58 | rincon | brlcad: for example to tell cad all things i will draw today will be on group "A"? |
| 22:26.43 | rincon | is it possible?, or you have to draw first and group later...? |
| 22:27.04 | brlcad | like I said, nothing is automatic |
| 22:27.16 | brlcad | so you'd have to create the objects, then add them to groups |
| 22:27.40 | brlcad | if you had three objects, a b c, and wanted to group them: g mygroup a b c |
| 22:28.28 | brlcad | if you gave them a consistent naming convention, a.r b.r c.r, you could use globbing: g mygroup *.r |
| 22:28.50 | rincon | i will not call that automatic, it is just to put a flag in the object that identifies the group by default.....seems to be easy to program |
| 22:29.31 | brlcad | it's not a matter of difficulty |
| 22:29.40 | brlcad | hence the (intentionally) comment |
| 22:30.13 | brlcad | it's something that would be happening potentially unbeknownst to you, and certainly not explicit at the minimum |
| 22:30.52 | brlcad | or if your specific example, that'd be very stateful, something you'd have to "turn on / turn off" .. and how do you introspect to know when that behavior is on/off |
| 22:34.31 | rincon | i know it is a matter of collaboration, but thinking about the solution is the first step, objects are complex entities that has many aspects if you set all of the aspects to a default value the group must be one of them and a default group can be the group "0" for exampl |
| 22:36.33 | rincon | and you can set a enviroment variable with the current group |
| 22:38.19 | brlcad | therein is one of the differences -- it does make sense for all objects to exist on some 'layer' as an entity type, but not on a generalized group |
| 22:38.34 | brlcad | there are plenty of objects/models that exist without any group |
| 22:38.38 | ``Erik | *readreadread* autocad is more of a computer aided drafting program, BRL-CAD is more of a computer aided engineering/analysis package |
| 22:39.33 | brlcad | I think it would be useful to add a concept of layers as specific entities (as they have very different behaviors and semantics from groups, distinct subset) |
| 22:39.42 | rincon | Erik: you can not analyze nothing if do not draw it first |
| 22:40.01 | ``Erik | was looking into changing that method to bool, was researching how it was used to make sure his assumption is correct |
| 22:40.14 | brlcad | 'draw' is very much a drafting term.. you don't draw objects, you model them :) |
| 22:40.29 | brlcad | 2d vs 3d terminology ;) |
| 22:40.59 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD grew up modeling existing objects to do things to/with them, so the whole path to generate a blueprint really wasn't a factor :D |
| 22:41.30 | brlcad | and brl-cad has it's own terminology where 'draw' specifically means to display the object up on the screen, not modify or create |
| 22:41.59 | rincon | brlcad: drawing is basic, you have to start by basic to move forward |
| 22:42.19 | ``Erik | that depends on how you define "draw" |
| 22:42.55 | brlcad | rincon: *drafting* is basic, and no you don't have to start with drafting |
| 22:42.55 | rincon | draw: is to draw a building for example |
| 22:43.23 | brlcad | the act of modeling may or may not be basic |
| 22:43.24 | ``Erik | the only thing you can define recursively is recursion. |
| 22:44.48 | rincon | Erik: is brlcad the most close i can find to autocad in free software? |
| 22:45.14 | ``Erik | um, I think things like 'qcad' might be fundamentally closer, but not nearly as mature |
| 22:45.26 | brlcad | rincon: we're by far the most feature complete, but qcad focuses on 2D |
| 22:46.05 | ``Erik | I don't think wings3d or ac3d are close to either, they're more like 3dmax |
| 22:46.35 | brlcad | rincon: not to misunderstand -- I don't disagree entirely with what you're saying, other than the specific meaning of those terms, or even disagree that we shouldn't have some feature such as you suggest |
| 22:46.43 | ``Erik | I think steve abandoned ppe |
| 22:47.14 | ``Erik | d'no the scene 'nuff to say much, though |
| 22:47.20 | brlcad | rincon: it's more a matter of there are 10000 things we can be working on, and that's simply not a priority at the moment, but could be if you were working on it ;) |
| 22:47.36 | ``Erik | hehehehe patches welcome! :D |
| 22:48.14 | ``Erik | brlcad: what was that trivial patch you guys were discussing earlier? |
| 22:48.26 | brlcad | dunno |
| 22:48.34 | rincon | brlcad: is it more practical draw engineering plans in qcad than doing it in brlcad? |
| 22:48.44 | ``Erik | also; what're some good search keywords for that video you mentioned on the way back from lunch? :D |
| 22:48.57 | brlcad | rincon: if your end-goal is drafting diagrams and your okay not having a 3D model, sure |
| 22:49.24 | rincon | i mean plans of civil engineering for example |
| 22:49.29 | brlcad | they have a lot more 2D drafting features than brl-cad has, we focus a LOT more on 3D and solid modeling |
| 22:49.40 | ``Erik | rincon: you mean blueprints, yes? |
| 22:50.10 | brlcad | civil engineering plans ARE drafting diagrams |
| 22:50.11 | rincon | i mean the design of a concrete structure for example? |
| 22:50.31 | brlcad | just a specific domain subset |
| 22:50.45 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/havoc_rtedge.png.html this is the closest we get atm |
| 22:51.13 | brlcad | rincon: I'm getting the sense that you don't seem to understand the distinction between the drafting and non-drafting approaches to modeling -- they are very very different |
| 22:51.36 | brlcad | autocad is from the ground up predominantly a drafting system, but that's not the only way by a long shot |
| 22:51.37 | ``Erik | but we can do things like photorealistic rendering, stress/strain analysis, solving mass of structures, etc. that your drafting programs won't do |
| 22:52.26 | brlcad | systems like catia, unigraphics, and pro/engineer are not predominantly drafting systems (yet still CAD), they're 3D solid modeling systems that utilize a non-drafting approach at their core |
| 22:53.00 | brlcad | important to understand that distinction as it affects the outputs that you're talking about, your goals and products |
| 22:53.12 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/diagrams/Industry_Diagram.png.html might be good to consider and study :) |
| 22:56.26 | rincon | brlcad: do you think is better to make a draw qcad? |
| 22:56.45 | rincon | brlcad: do you think is better to make a 2D draw with qcad? |
| 22:56.46 | brlcad | rincon: absolutely not, but then I'm very biased :) |
| 22:57.17 | brlcad | I think you will find it a lot easier to generating 2D annotated drawings with qcad, sure ;) |
| 22:57.31 | brlcad | but 'better', hell no ;) |
| 22:58.43 | ``Erik | if all you want to do is make a blueprint and stop, qcad might be sufficient... but once you want to go past that point, we can do that where they cannot :) |
| 22:59.42 | rincon | Erik: qcad needs a lot of collaboration.... |
| 23:00.17 | ``Erik | http://www.qcad.org/qcad.html if you read their pimp lit, they outright say they just do 2d line (technical) drawings, we do 3d solid geometry :) |
| 23:00.55 | brlcad | rincon: it does, we do a lot more by far, but we also need a lot of 'collaboration' as you put it |
| 23:01.39 | brlcad | so if you want to help, just let someone know and they can help you get familiarized with the source code or writing docs or isolating bugs, etc |
| 23:02.00 | brlcad | otherwise, it is what it is and we're working on making it better in the meantime |
| 23:02.44 | rincon | Erik: brlcad: isolating bugs sounds good to me but i am not sure if i like qcad more than brlcad |
| 23:03.23 | ``Erik | they're different beasts with different purposes, dude... there's a bit of overlap, but apples and oranges are both fruit *shrug* |
| 23:04.48 | brlcad | passive contributions aren't nearly as useful as active contributions (i.e. things that take time) .. we can all come up with 100 ways to make brl-cad better, some new feature minor or major |
| 23:04.53 | brlcad | ideas are cheap, time is not ;) |
| 23:04.53 | ``Erik | if your intent coincides with BRL-CAD, please, grab a bug or something off the todo list, we'll help you where we can :) but we can't decide which is more appropriate for you, you have to understand what your goal is and make that choice yourself :) |
| 23:06.17 | ``Erik | (I don't mean to be rude, but *shrug* that's what it all boils down to) |
| 23:06.38 | rincon | i think is better to help brlcad because it is more advanced but , i think 2D blueprints can improve more the humanity level than a deep engineering capability |
| 23:07.52 | rincon | the monopoly of autocad must be finished |
| 23:08.04 | ``Erik | ok, I would recommend that you play with the system a bit, make some models, render then in various ways... then think of some ideas for how you can make it better for you and talk to us then :) we can help steer you towards the lower hanging fruit and where to dig in at that time |
| 23:08.16 | ``Erik | but that's just my personal view here :) *shrug* |
| 23:09.34 | ``Erik | there are tutorials on the website that have been honed over a decade or two of classes and use, that'd be a good approach to learning what BRL-CAD is and is not at this time :) |
| 23:10.12 | ``Erik | sound good? |
| 23:11.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34459 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/terrain.c: massive cleanup and refactor of the nurbs terrain example. fix a memory corruption and eliminate all globals. |
| 23:12.52 | rincon | Erik: brlcad is not on the fedora repos, why? |
| 23:13.10 | ``Erik | um, because no one has taken the time to generate the binaries |
| 23:13.30 | ``Erik | we have an rpm spec file, but *shrug* I don't use linux myself |
| 23:13.43 | ``Erik | (even though I think I was the one who made the spec file... and the deb directory) |
| 23:13.52 | brlcad | rincon: perhaps a place you could help, work on getting it added to fedora |
| 23:14.17 | rincon | Erik: i prefer to isolate bugs |
| 23:14.22 | ``Erik | has been remiss on support the FreeBSD port lately :/ |
| 23:14.57 | brlcad | the answer is 99% of the time, because there are 100 other things we *are* working on that were determined to be more important (out of the 10000 things we could be working on) |
| 23:15.55 | brlcad | just about anyone could help get brl-cad into fedora -- I can probably count on one hand how many people could add a new annotation primitive to BRL-CAD :) |
| 23:17.05 | rincon | can brlcad be installed in fedora? |
| 23:17.09 | brlcad | sure |
| 23:17.31 | rincon | let me see i am going to install it first |
| 23:17.36 | ``Erik | one of our primary "paid for" targets is redhat enterprise, fedora isn't too different |
| 23:18.01 | brlcad | someone was working on it at one point, and supposedly had it done, but don't know where it ended up |
| 23:23.42 | ``Erik | *asplode*! |
| 23:23.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34460 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/clstepcore/ (sdaiSelect.cc sdaiSelect.h): |
| 23:23.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Change the exists() method to return a bool. This only seems to be |
| 23:23.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: used in that capacity and causes 32/64b issues by using the address |
| 23:23.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: as "true" and NULL as "false". |
| 23:24.27 | ``Erik | indianlarry can take it up with me on tuesday if I broke it |
| 23:24.32 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:24.58 | rincon | my processor is an athlon which brlcad should i use |
| 23:25.16 | brlcad | notes NULL is not necessarily 0 ? :) |
| 23:25.17 | ``Erik | the one you build from source? |
| 23:25.35 | ``Erik | no, but the c++ makes that assumption |
| 23:25.36 | brlcad | athlon is x86_64 |
| 23:25.56 | ``Erik | it sets the internal val to NULL, then acts like it's 0 when not set elsewhere |
| 23:26.01 | rincon | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105292&package_id=113559 |
| 23:26.34 | brlcad | rincon: yes? |
| 23:26.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34461 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/clstepcore/sdaiSelect.cc: ok, ok, NULL is not necessarily 0. |
| 23:27.00 | ``Erik | now stfu |
| 23:27.02 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:27.19 | brlcad | rincon: care to redesign the website? :) |
| 23:27.26 | brlcad | wants a redesign badly for some reason |
| 23:28.06 | rincon | brlcad: i just want to experiment the reality of brlcad |
| 23:28.21 | ``Erik | redesign as in heirarchal redesign, or a new css face? |
| 23:28.24 | brlcad | rincon: fair enough |
| 23:28.28 | brlcad | new facelift |
| 23:28.46 | brlcad | needs to have a lot more of our information uploaded and organized too, but that's a separate task altogether |
| 23:28.50 | brlcad | the appearance |
| 23:29.02 | brlcad | actually have a hierarchical organization all sorted out |
| 23:29.13 | ``Erik | I don't quite understand why people continue to build css by hand when there're some quite nice css compilers out there |
| 23:29.14 | brlcad | worked on that for hours a long time ago |
| 23:29.34 | *** part/#brlcad rincon (n=alvaro@190.77.167.45) | |
| 23:29.45 | ``Erik | it's like coding in assembly... yeah, it's good to learn how to do it, but you simply don't do that in real life |
| 23:30.03 | ``Erik | more than a few hours to make it work on the various IE's iirc |
| 23:30.23 | ``Erik | catch ya later, rincon, nice meeting you O.o |
| 23:30.34 | brlcad | I mean I worked for hours just on the hierarchical organization |
| 23:30.38 | ``Erik | hopes he wasn't too dickish to the dude |
| 23:30.39 | brlcad | lot of thought went in |
| 23:31.35 | brlcad | highly suspects that was an NNPP conversation |
| 23:31.48 | ``Erik | yeah, |
| 23:31.57 | ``Erik | thus my "here's what you do, now shut up and go do it" attitude |
| 23:32.31 | ``Erik | (nnpp?) |
| 23:33.43 | brlcad | net negative producing (person) .. conversation |
| 23:34.11 | brlcad | but it's still good to say if only to have logged and reiterated |
| 23:34.20 | ``Erik | *shrug* everyone can bring a positive effect if steered and utilized effectively |
| 23:34.27 | ``Erik | there are tasks for all levels of ability |
| 23:35.41 | ``Erik | btw, that other/step patch... that's totally "it compiles, ship it" :D hopefully it's trivial enough that I didn't bung something |
| 23:36.05 | ``Erik | got his books today, huzzah, *read* |
| 23:37.00 | ``Erik | "practical common lisp" and "lisp in small pieces" |
| 23:37.35 | brlcad | sounds like a hack'n'slash horror thriller |
| 23:37.55 | brlcad | small pieces... bloody curlies everywhere! |
| 23:38.09 | ``Erik | these... are your fathers parenthesis |
| 23:38.15 | ``Erik | from a more civil time |
| 23:38.43 | ``Erik | the ToC of the small pieces book is... terrifyingly impressive |
| 23:39.19 | ``Erik | chapter 2 has greek in the name, chapter three is hitting continuations |
| 23:39.36 | ``Erik | chapter 1 is how to write an evaluator and compiler for the language |
| 23:39.55 | ``Erik | "macros: their use & abuse" |
| 23:40.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34462 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/vegitation.c: cleanup |
| 23:40.35 | ``Erik | an awfully complete working of OO that stomps c++/java in 30 pages |
| 23:40.54 | ``Erik | I think there's a lot in this book, it's gonna hurt and take a while to digest :) |
| 23:42.14 | brlcad | thinks ``Erik should work on a 'led' tool that binds lisp to libged as an expression evaluator as he works his way through his books |
| 23:42.34 | ``Erik | supposedly, it's the seminal text to move one from a basic 'hello world' grub to a guru grade user |
| 23:42.38 | brlcad | cackles and evil laugh |
| 23:42.40 | ``Erik | "led"? |
| 23:42.49 | brlcad | lisp geometry editor, lge? :) |
| 23:42.54 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:43.06 | ``Erik | cffi is pretty clean |
| 23:43.10 | ``Erik | so is uffi |
| 23:43.18 | ``Erik | both far less painful than jni |
| 23:43.30 | brlcad | (opendb 'moss.g (make sph sph)) |
| 23:43.45 | ``Erik | 'cept that'd get one flamed up one side and down the other |
| 23:43.58 | ``Erik | (with-db "moss.g" (make sph sph)) |
| 23:43.59 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:44.25 | ``Erik | (make "sph" 'sph) perhaps? |
| 23:44.49 | ``Erik | and #P"moss.g" |
| 23:44.56 | ``Erik | ack.. brain... exploding... |
| 23:44.57 | brlcad | probably (make "sph" "sph"), all gets passed as literals to libged |
| 23:45.22 | brlcad | could get fancy, but really no need |
| 23:45.31 | brlcad | just need a binding layer |
| 23:45.32 | ``Erik | is it right to refer to the data type as a string? that requires string comparison and eliminates compile time error checking |
| 23:46.22 | ``Erik | *shrug* these books are pure lithp, interface would be using one of the ffi layers, different scope |
| 23:46.25 | brlcad | there's not yet any means for libged to declare expected args so that you could do anything other than strings atm |
| 23:46.35 | ``Erik | that's cuz tcl sucks |
| 23:46.43 | brlcad | has nothing to do with tcl |
| 23:46.44 | ``Erik | I mean, tcl thinks of everything a string |
| 23:46.47 | brlcad | talking about libged |
| 23:47.11 | brlcad | they approach it from an argc/argv command interface |
| 23:47.16 | ``Erik | which is the transport of mged C functions, which exist as the support cast to the tcl layer |
| 23:47.27 | brlcad | which is irrelevant :) |
| 23:47.37 | ``Erik | the API in mged shows its tcl heredity quite readily :) |
| 23:47.41 | ``Erik | libged, rather |
| 23:47.52 | brlcad | I don't see it like that |
| 23:48.00 | ``Erik | *shrug* ok |
| 23:48.00 | brlcad | it's pretty simple and clean as it is |
| 23:48.16 | brlcad | each one of those commands could be trivially turned into it's own program |
| 23:48.33 | brlcad | and probably should at least for testing purposes |
| 23:48.38 | ``Erik | ok, it shows adaptation from a language that understand nothing other than strings |
| 23:48.41 | brlcad | would be kinda neat |
| 23:48.43 | ``Erik | be it tcl, shell, ... |
| 23:48.50 | brlcad | sure |
| 23:49.49 | brlcad | not that it'd be different even outside that context, though -- it's meant to be high-level like that so the api is untyped by design |
| 23:49.56 | brlcad | not just a side effect |
| 23:50.52 | brlcad | could have gone a vararg approach as well, but that was a later thought and has a LOT of implications |
| 23:51.46 | ``Erik | hm, is lowest common denominator the best approach? opposed to explicit typing in the weakly typed hooks? |
| 23:51.55 | ``Erik | yeah, that'd be a lot of weird custom parsing :/ lcd is probably better |
| 23:52.07 | brlcad | plus rewriting getopt parsing for 400+ commands/functions would really suck :) |
| 23:52.09 | ``Erik | shouldn't be too terrible of a perforance hit |
| 23:52.24 | brlcad | I was thinking of some hybrid |
| 23:52.39 | brlcad | as there are some typed objects in the ged object that is passed to them all |
| 23:52.55 | brlcad | for view(s) and geometry object(s) |
| 23:53.12 | ``Erik | but suppose you flop the typing in your script |
| 23:53.24 | ``Erik | instead of handling in the "native" language format |
| 23:53.29 | brlcad | so if you have a named object as an argv element, it's looked up against the geometry object has that was passed in or looked up in the db provided |
| 23:53.32 | ``Erik | ... O.o it'd have to be explicitely handled? |
| 23:53.48 | brlcad | the commands should handle their own type 'too' at least |
| 23:54.14 | brlcad | but I was thinking of having something more like a registration interface for each command where they could report their expected arglist format/types |
| 23:54.18 | ``Erik | so (parse-integer x :junk-allowed t) all over the lisp? or whatever ruby or python do to parse a string to an int? or float? or symbol? |
| 23:54.42 | ``Erik | ok, but different languages have different types |
| 23:54.46 | brlcad | so if you had a typed language, you could have your wrapper command pull the information so it can do type checks |
| 23:54.48 | ``Erik | how does swag deal with that? |
| 23:55.02 | ``Erik | wouldn't be surprised if they punted |
| 23:55.18 | brlcad | dunno |
| 23:55.29 | ``Erik | this is all brainpuke *shrug* I'm just thinkin' noisly |
| 23:55.30 | brlcad | packs it up |
| 23:55.32 | ``Erik | noisily |
| 23:55.37 | ``Erik | aight, drive careful, dude |
| 23:55.39 | brlcad | code that shtiff up |
| 23:56.06 | brlcad | could find a way to bind typing up to libged -- that'd be cool |
| 23:57.21 | ``Erik | has a few more pressing tasks first :( |
| 23:57.45 | ``Erik | and only some of them software development hhe |
| 00:00.32 | brlcad | damn |
| 00:02.37 | ``Erik | ? |
| 00:02.43 | brlcad | dreeves_: finally got to cleaning up the patch and testing the extrude enhancement .. bug it fails to render on my first attempt, will check it more tomorrow to see if my merge wasn't clean but looks like maybe some logic breakage (getting random behavior from 3/odd hits to crashes to alloc failures) |
| 00:03.11 | ``Erik | hm |
| 00:03.52 | brlcad | unfortunately, it's really hard to tell -- it's a bad patch with so many ws changes merged in at the same time |
| 00:04.14 | ``Erik | feh, ask him to fix that and resubmit |
| 00:04.26 | brlcad | (for future ref., should rarely ever change formatting/ws/style in a patch unless *that* is the patch) |
| 00:04.30 | ``Erik | :%s/[ \t]+$// |
| 00:04.34 | brlcad | that was the fixed :) |
| 00:04.40 | brlcad | needs more fixing |
| 00:05.17 | ``Erik | both the emacs and vi/ex fu is in the standard footer, it takes a bit of work to screw up formatting |
| 00:05.51 | brlcad | indentation was fine |
| 00:06.00 | brlcad | that's mostly what the footer enforces |
| 00:06.44 | brlcad | spaces within parens, one-liners vs breaking things up onto multiple lines, brace placement, .. those were things changed (mostly for the better, but still makes the patch unreadable) |
| 00:07.07 | ``Erik | *shrug* learning how to submit to a project "wrong" style is part of maturing as a developer, learning to know what the diff is before commit is another part |
| 00:07.13 | ``Erik | bounce it on him and let him learn :) |
| 00:07.19 | brlcad | i just did |
| 00:07.22 | brlcad | :P |
| 00:08.34 | brlcad | mm, okay really time now, seeing if that worked was last 'todo' for the day |
| 00:51.29 | ``Erik | I was wrong, it's the command window that has the status bar, not the display window |
| 01:22.23 | brlcad | ah yeah |
| 01:22.52 | brlcad | it's status is done through plot |
| 01:24.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34463 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/Makefile.am: patch-g.1 and rpatch.1 are missing from the install and dist |
| 01:30.50 | starseeker | ``Erik: you got Lisp in Small Pieces???? |
| 01:30.54 | starseeker | is jealous |
| 01:31.23 | ``Erik | heh, yup |
| 01:31.29 | ``Erik | $90 or so at amazon |
| 01:31.55 | ``Erik | I've talked to peter enough that I'm sure I could get PCL signed, but getting lisp in small pieces signed would be gnarley O.o |
| 01:32.28 | ``Erik | (I actually put the order in after getting fitshaced and talking to peter in private for a bit heh) |
| 01:33.14 | starseeker | has PCL, but hasn't been able to face the $90 price tag of Lisp in Small Pieces |
| 01:33.15 | ``Erik | I made a comment about lisp1 vs lisp2 on my "blog" and xach said that lisp in small pieces would answer my queries |
| 01:33.52 | ``Erik | amusingly, the $50 book is hardback, the $90 is softback |
| 01:34.08 | starseeker | $50 for a hardback???? where???? |
| 01:34.15 | ``Erik | amazon, pcl |
| 01:34.22 | starseeker | oh, PCL |
| 01:34.44 | ``Erik | I asked him how I could get the most money in his pocket, he said amazon *shrug* |
| 01:34.50 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:35.12 | starseeker | yeah, PCL is in some ways the accumulated wisdom you would get by a LOT of reading of the #lisp irc logs |
| 01:35.26 | starseeker | tends to make it extremely useful |
| 01:35.48 | ``Erik | it helped me a lot reading it at gigamonkeys.net, I figured I should stand up and help the community by 'donating' the $'s to buy it |
| 01:36.18 | starseeker | could you bring in your Lisp in Small Pieces for a day? That's the closest thing out there to a literate lisp implementation, and I've been really curious to get a look at it |
| 01:36.39 | ``Erik | sure |
| 01:36.44 | ``Erik | the ToC is jizzgasmic |
| 01:37.38 | ``Erik | chapter 1 is how to implement a basic interpreter |
| 01:37.43 | brlcad | you three need a room for the night? :) |
| 01:38.02 | ``Erik | chapter 2 goes into the lisp1/lisp2 debate, 3 is continuations |
| 01:38.21 | ``Erik | brlcad: this book is to programming what your car is to daily drivers |
| 01:38.38 | brlcad | mmhmm |
| 01:38.54 | starseeker | brlcad: sorry, didn't mean to wander offtopic |
| 01:39.03 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:39.16 | brlcad | smacks starseeker with the clue-by-four jokestick |
| 01:39.21 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 01:39.32 | starseeker | was up at 4am, brain not functional anymore |
| 01:39.34 | ``Erik | I haven't dug in, but this thing really seems to but the dragon book to shame |
| 01:40.04 | starseeker | If I were to actually start writing a literate lisp implementation, that book would be purhase item #1 |
| 01:41.00 | starseeker | probably followed by the ANSI Lisp spec in physical form, if I can get away with the $$ (NOT cheap...) |
| 01:41.26 | ``Erik | a lot of recent rumblings about updating the ansi spec |
| 01:41.48 | ``Erik | but some greybeards are poopooing the id |
| 01:41.50 | ``Erik | idea |
| 01:42.24 | starseeker | again? where'd that pop up? |
| 01:42.43 | ``Erik | some blogs and irc convo, uh, does "pcos" ring a bell? |
| 01:42.54 | starseeker | irc handle? |
| 01:43.47 | ``Erik | no clue, it was a reference to a uunet or blog post |
| 01:43.47 | starseeker | hmm |
| 01:43.47 | starseeker | will dig in a sec... |
| 01:43.55 | ``Erik | I think I'm remembering it right... was spoken in the same reverence as "rms" "jkh" |
| 01:44.33 | ``Erik | yet another rumbling about updating the spec *shrug* |
| 01:46.57 | starseeker | I collected a lot of info about spec issues some time ago: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/Project_FreeSpec |
| 01:47.13 | starseeker | was on the alu.org wiki, but I think that's gone now |
| 01:48.14 | starseeker | oh, I'll bet pcos = Pascal Costanza |
| 01:48.17 | brlcad | sips a recently acquired delightful 21-year |
| 01:49.27 | ``Erik | holds his tumbler out and waits for brlcad to share |
| 01:49.35 | starseeker | basically, the objection to updating the ANSI spec is that the group who's job it is to do that is below minimal strength to do anything, and getting it up to strength would involve people coughing up $$ for membership |
| 01:50.35 | ``Erik | pascal sounds familiar |
| 01:52.03 | starseeker | more annoyingly, the copyright on the spec document itself is so hopelessly muddled that there is no hope of an "unofficial" update that would be invulnerable to copyright lawsuits |
| 01:52.13 | ``Erik | if the committee cannot get enough paying membership to make a decision, maybe the committee should rethink the buy-in amount or their charter |
| 01:52.25 | starseeker | and the commercial vendors MIGHT have an interest in torpedoing such an effort |
| 01:52.39 | ``Erik | I mean, this sounds lik ea classic "failboat" situation |
| 01:53.01 | starseeker | apparently the original spec process was rather... intense, according to some of the chatter I've heard from those who were there |
| 01:53.18 | starseeker | I don't think they have the discretionary power to do that |
| 01:53.21 | ``Erik | does the next CL have to be ansi, even? |
| 01:53.39 | starseeker | not really - sbcl is fast becoming a "de-facto" standard |
| 01:54.24 | brlcad | starseeker: so join the group and help update the spec .. how much is that fee? :) |
| 01:54.31 | starseeker | checks... |
| 01:54.55 | ``Erik | just 2 years salary? :D |
| 01:56.13 | starseeker | erm... the J13 page is gone |
| 02:01.59 | starseeker | humph - moved it http://www.incits.org/tc_home/Old%20TC%20Stuff/j13.htm |
| 02:04.03 | starseeker | ah ha http://www.incits.org/membership/meminfo.htm |
| 02:05.11 | starseeker | so at least $8k-$9.5k, unless I can get myself declared an academic institution |
| 02:06.58 | starseeker | and convince a few more people to pony up fees - I doubt any of them have bothered to cough up now that nothing is happening |
| 02:12.11 | brlcad | could always one-up it and start an ISO spec effort |
| 02:12.20 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:12.44 | starseeker | yeah, a restart would have to be the way to go |
| 02:12.58 | brlcad | would probably have even better adoption, and while more complicated and longer process, much more likely to gain momentum |
| 02:16.20 | starseeker | Actually, there IS an ISO Lisp of sorts... http://christian.jullien.free.fr/pd-islisp21.pdf.zip |
| 02:16.59 | starseeker | I remember looking at this because they actually did explicitly public domain their spec document - problem is, IIRC, it is a small subset of the functionality of Common Lisp |
| 02:17.56 | starseeker | er, here actually http://islisp.info/specification.html |
| 02:18.32 | brlcad | looks like it's gone through several revisions though, could be a great place to start |
| 02:20.49 | starseeker | it probably would be - it is certainly worth starting with |
| 02:21.01 | starseeker | for creating a new document |
| 02:21.27 | starseeker | I doubt they want to match the functionality of common lisp though - many consider that a rather... bloated spec |
| 02:21.31 | brlcad | always saw all the bickering over (relatively insignificant) differences in the various lisp implementations to be one of its biggest failings |
| 02:21.39 | starseeker | which is rather more ironic when you consider they lack things like GUI and threads |
| 02:21.43 | brlcad | smalltalk had/has nearly the same problem |
| 02:21.57 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:22.16 | starseeker | yeah, it tends to attract people for whom the language is an end, not a means |
| 02:22.55 | starseeker | I still think if they had successfully implemented a useful, universal GUI layer early enough they would have become what Java is now |
| 02:23.11 | brlcad | like a linux distro, it more just needs a champion that is willing to dedicate to being a leader through sustained advocacy and significant use |
| 02:23.33 | madant | runs scared at the mention of Java.. boogie monster.. |
| 02:25.01 | ``Erik | no |
| 02:25.23 | ``Erik | java didn't succeed from having a gui layer... it had an 8.5 ton marketing guerilla behind it |
| 02:25.41 | brlcad | starseeker: actually the same reason that you're stearing clear of islisp assuming they wouldn't consider features included in common lisp (and seeing it as a subset as being a problem in itself) means it's probably already fairly doomed as a 'new' fork |
| 02:25.49 | brlcad | I meant contributing to them to extend |
| 02:26.02 | starseeker | 's approach would be to take the ISLISP spec and sbcl (plus probably Sacla http://homepage1.nifty.com/bmonkey/lisp/sacla/index-en.html) and start crafting something as clean and elegent as possible from the ground up.. |
| 02:26.22 | brlcad | forks almost always fail, from scratch fails with a couple more significant digits of certainty ;) |
| 02:26.25 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, that's true |
| 02:26.30 | ``Erik | the common subset of sbcl and clozure is probably a good starting point |
| 02:27.16 | starseeker | brlcad: if I were to tackle it, the idea would be to build off of something like the VLISP research |
| 02:28.04 | starseeker | ftp://ftp.ccs.neu.edu/pub/people/wand/vlisp/ |
| 02:28.47 | starseeker | "just another lisp" wouldn't work |
| 02:29.37 | ``Erik | one of the oft flaunted "advantages" of common lisp is that it's a stnadard, not an implementation, though... |
| 02:29.57 | starseeker | yes - you create a standard and an implementation together |
| 02:30.05 | starseeker | hence the literate approach |
| 02:30.15 | brlcad | you'd probably have better luck just trying to create an 'iso scheme' |
| 02:30.45 | ``Erik | python has several implementations, but the only successful ones are very niche oriented :( |
| 02:30.48 | brlcad | or extending islisp |
| 02:31.25 | starseeker | brlcad: true. The only way I would see a new effort as being better than building off of sbcl as is though is to have a "verified" lisp |
| 02:31.35 | starseeker | which would have to be a ground up effort by definition |
| 02:31.37 | ``Erik | other than the primary one... which kinda says to me that doing an implementation and standard together ... is no better than just doing the implementation |
| 02:31.44 | ``Erik | you surrender the 'standard' aspect |
| 02:31.51 | ``Erik | know what I mean, vern? |
| 02:32.29 | starseeker | true - but without at least one implementation, a spec is just paper |
| 02:32.44 | starseeker | and for a verified implementation, it would be a LOT of work to do even one correctly |
| 02:33.19 | ``Erik | well, C is a standard that has implementations... java is an implementation that claims a standard... |
| 02:33.34 | brlcad | starseeker: heh, that would probably matter to .. a couple dozen people? :) .. I just don't see that gaining momentum outside of being an academic project |
| 02:33.48 | ``Erik | the ebb and flow of the two are pretty distinct |
| 02:33.54 | starseeker | brlcad: agreed :-). It would matter in the mathematical field only |
| 02:34.08 | starseeker | as a foundation for a verified Computer Algebra System |
| 02:34.35 | ``Erik | yeah, it's too bad that computer algebra systems just don't matter :D *Duck* *run* *flee* *hide* |
| 02:34.35 | starseeker | the CAS might matter to more people, but you can't build a house with no foundation |
| 02:34.36 | brlcad | so what's "wrong" with CL? what's the actual problem being solved? |
| 02:34.45 | brlcad | as that is an ansi standard already |
| 02:35.00 | ``Erik | modern computing assumes things that CL doens't acknowledge |
| 02:35.03 | starseeker | no standard thread support, and no standard ffi mechanism are the biggies |
| 02:35.05 | ``Erik | like network programming |
| 02:35.08 | ``Erik | threading, etc |
| 02:35.19 | ``Erik | it's state of the art for '85.... |
| 02:35.53 | brlcad | as a *language*, lots of languages don't have support for things like threading and networking |
| 02:36.08 | brlcad | that has little to do with the language itself |
| 02:36.38 | brlcad | c/c++ certainly seem to do just fine without 'em |
| 02:36.52 | ``Erik | thinks it's dandy, but things like java, python, ruby, etc all support new shtuff, so *shrug* |
| 02:37.29 | ``Erik | ah, but C is its own ffi, the bsd tcp/ip socket is pretty much de facto standard, pthreads, ... |
| 02:37.48 | ``Erik | it's not like there're two dozen competing halfassed attemps for each technology :) |
| 02:38.01 | brlcad | there's a big diff between the language not supporting it and there being *no practical way possible* to do networking and threading too |
| 02:38.42 | ``Erik | it's like even basic threading has the same kinda mess that c/c++ sees with gui widget toolkits |
| 02:39.24 | brlcad | c/c++ does fine because there are plenty of libs that build up from platform-specific intrinsics all the way up to generalized apis (e.g. pthreads) .. so where is the 'standard lisp common library' project? |
| 02:40.05 | brlcad | there were two dozen competing halfassed attempts, and it still wasn't a (big) problem |
| 02:41.15 | brlcad | how about the dozen ways you can get two processes to talk to each other even on modern systems .. still not standard |
| 02:42.04 | brlcad | sounds like you'd probably get the most mileage if that is in fact the problem, with developing something like APR for lisp |
| 02:42.53 | brlcad | or a libbu or an stl or glib or stdc, etc |
| 02:43.54 | brlcad | and make it cross-platform to CL and Scheme to boot for bigger adoption props ;) |
| 02:44.07 | brlcad | 'platform' in the loose sense of course :) |
| 02:44.27 | ``Erik | *shurg* mebbe, but when combined with a small user community and that most people seem to have social skills in like wth de raadt or drepper, it gets awful ugly awful fast |
| 03:01.04 | starseeker | raises eyebrows - Oracle will not be throwing out SPARC |
| 03:03.11 | ``Erik | that's not too surprising, is it? oracle wants to build an end-to-end stack to compete with the ibm solution... |
| 03:05.08 | starseeker | yes, but including their own chips? will they really do better than using x86? |
| 03:05.26 | starseeker | don't get me wrong, anything that continues to enhance opensparc I'm all for |
| 03:05.58 | ``Erik | historically, sun machines have been i/o superbeasts... and it might be more product differentiation than technical capability *shrug* |
| 03:09.25 | starseeker | dreams of the "open hardware desktop" and opensparc is the obvious (only?) serious candidate for a CPU - continued support for the open aspect I suppose isn't guaranteed but fingers crossed... |
| 03:11.30 | ``Erik | you assume oracle will continue support of the open aspect... typically pointy haired business sense says to lock it down as much as possible and go proprietary |
| 03:12.12 | starseeker | not assume - hope |
| 03:13.14 | starseeker | they have to differentiate themselves from IBM somehow - if people study opensparc processors in college before entering the "real world" that may help Oracle, and probably won't hurt |
| 03:13.36 | starseeker | locking it down makes sense only if they want exclusive use of it |
| 03:14.01 | starseeker | or license it I suppose |
| 03:14.22 | starseeker | ARM seems to have the "license our CPU IP" market sewn up... |
| 03:15.11 | ``Erik | I d'no, I have a feeling we'll see oracle producing sparc powered "database appliances" |
| 03:15.26 | starseeker | thinks students using *BSD and Linux in college was a big factor in those becoming more "accepted" once that generation got into the workforce |
| 03:15.45 | ``Erik | a few, mebbe half a dozen different physical boxes, all to support a dedicated database instance |
| 03:16.11 | starseeker | ``Erik: sure. that's what I'd expect. What's not clear is whether being proprietary with sparc gets them anything in that scenario |
| 03:16.40 | ``Erik | it doesn't have to, they just need to think it does |
| 03:17.06 | starseeker | If you're coughing up the $$$$$ for Oracle in the first place, aren't you likely to go with THE Oracle stack rather than mix and match what would have to be unsupported 3rd party sparc hardware with Oracle software? |
| 03:17.09 | ``Erik | apples openness with their architecture was incredibly short lived, I can't see oracle thinking any different |
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| 03:17.40 | starseeker | apple plays in the desktop market |
| 03:17.54 | ``Erik | and most suits tend to think that openness == vulnerability |
| 03:17.57 | starseeker | most of their users don't care if the CPU is a stick of bubble gum, as long as it works |
| 03:18.20 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, I've seen that argument too |
| 03:18.53 | starseeker | debunking it is hard work - usually because it involves getting them to listen to unplesant truths in a way that doesn't get you fired |
| 03:19.25 | starseeker | but at least some of Sun's management seems to be clued in on open source, so perhaps Oracle will listen to them |
| 03:20.00 | starseeker | has seen speculation that Larry will keep OpenOffice going just as a nose-thumbing to Bill Gates, but I dunno... |
| 03:20.28 | ``Erik | larry does hate bill |
| 03:20.29 | ``Erik | a lot |
| 03:21.03 | starseeker | won't be sorry to see KOffice get serious help, in some ways... it's a lot cleaner than the beast that is OO.org but its import/export (all important for that set of apps) kinda sucks |
| 03:24.33 | starseeker | but that assumes serious dev resources would be committed by someone, and the only logical candidate I can think of is probably Red Hat... |
| 03:25.39 | starseeker | and they've gone the way of Gnome... |
| 03:26.08 | starseeker | oh, well. two to three years should tell the tale |
| 03:26.22 | ``Erik | I feel like such an outsider... vim, gnome, ... heh |
| 03:26.46 | starseeker | too, for that matter - vim, fluxbox + gkrellm |
| 03:26.50 | ``Erik | got into gnome with 0.10 |
| 03:27.06 | starseeker | wow |
| 03:27.08 | ``Erik | never like gkrellm, never really messed with fluxbox |
| 03:27.30 | ``Erik | I think sawfish was the X wm I grooved to the most |
| 03:27.47 | starseeker | migrated from blackbox - gkrellm is a lot of compact info and functionality (mounting dvds, etc) in a very small space |
| 03:27.53 | ``Erik | fvwm, ice, e, as, wm... |
| 03:28.05 | starseeker | tried 'em all |
| 03:28.15 | starseeker | the runner up was probably windowmaker |
| 03:28.30 | ``Erik | see, by the time gkrellm existed, I'd learned 'nuff to be totally happy in an xterm |
| 03:28.50 | starseeker | but as I got past the point where having icons to click on to start apps was important, windowmaker seemed less optimal than it did initially |
| 03:28.59 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh. |
| 03:29.31 | starseeker | is a graph junkie - CPU graphs + hard disk activity graphs + network traffic graphs |
| 03:29.36 | poolio | starseeker: ever tried a tiled WM? |
| 03:29.58 | ``Erik | I got into sawfish with I think it was the 'crux' theme? a 2x2 workspace setup, Xterm in top left, web in top right, email in bottom left, "whatever else" in bottom right |
| 03:30.07 | starseeker | has never seen any visual presentation of systeim activity he likes better - not even from Apple |
| 03:30.20 | starseeker | poolio: urm. isn't fvwm tiled? |
| 03:31.34 | ``Erik | got into centralized performance monitors with lightweight daemons polling info off the local machines |
| 03:31.51 | starseeker | ah :-) yeah, different situation. |
| 03:31.58 | starseeker | has never had more than one machine to keep track of |
| 03:32.20 | ``Erik | went from a few to a few hundred in '02 |
| 03:32.56 | poolio | starseeker: hmm, i dont think it's considered tiled. Does it do automatic window layout and stuff? |
| 03:33.11 | starseeker | oh, that kind of tiled. no, haven't used one like that |
| 03:33.31 | poolio | I went from Fluxbox -> xmonad, and love it :) |
| 03:33.51 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh yeah, that kind of monitoring is a whole 'nother animal |
| 03:34.12 | starseeker | googles xmonad - anything that can unseat fluxbox is worth a look |
| 03:35.05 | starseeker | written in Haskell?? how's the performance? |
| 03:37.14 | starseeker | hmm - almost looks philosophically a sort of graphical screen |
| 03:44.42 | starseeker | poolio: congrats - you've just successfully caused me to install a window manager out of curiosity - hasn't happened in years |
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| 04:03.25 | starseeker | poolio: this is... actually pretty friggin cool |
| 04:04.19 | starseeker | it really does feel in some ways a bit like what screen would be if it were a graphical program... |
| 04:17.47 | starseeker | may just try this for a few days |
| 04:17.57 | starseeker | see what it feels like |
| 04:18.24 | starseeker | may not miss the graphical monitoring |
| 04:18.34 | starseeker | any favorite tricks? |
| 04:18.42 | poolio | starseeker: schweet :D It's all configurable in Haskell. I can give you my stuff if you want, and you can hoook it up to a kinda graphical monitor like dzen2 or xmobar |
| 04:19.10 | poolio | lemme take a screenshot :P |
| 04:20.12 | poolio | http://poolio.org/xmonad.png |
| 04:20.47 | poolio | The main thing I hated with fluxbox was that I would always have a billion windows opened and stacked on top of each other, and then on some desktops I'd want certain layouts for coding/chat/etc... |
| 04:21.03 | poolio | It takes a while to get used to, but now I could never see going back :) |
| 04:22.03 | starseeker | can see that - I'll sometimes have five xterms open to the same directory, only two of which have anything happening because the other three are hidden |
| 04:22.13 | starseeker | then I get to clean up the mess when everything is closed down |
| 04:22.22 | starseeker | yeah, that monitor looks interesting |
| 04:22.28 | starseeker | an extension, I take it? |
| 04:24.34 | starseeker | poolio: there seems to always be one line at the bottom of a given terminal window - is that deliberate to allow controll space? |
| 04:26.54 | starseeker | snorts - gimp looks rather ackward |
| 04:27.05 | starseeker | no surprises there |
| 04:32.55 | starseeker | will have to check out dzen, but after sleep |
| 04:36.00 | poolio | yeah so, you can also 'float' applications, so you can have windows on top and have the window manager ignore them, but it's not very good at that... |
| 04:36.48 | poolio | err, I'm not sure about the one line gap, I have that too but thought it was related to the sizing of the window |
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| 06:43.02 | Ralith | starseeker: playing with xmonad? :D |
| 06:43.25 | Ralith | has it running on his two display machine |
| 06:43.28 | Ralith | handles it beautifully. |
| 06:43.59 | Ralith | does not have any gaps on his terms |
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| 09:01.30 | Mike111 | hi all |
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| 09:38.25 | Mike111 | I am unable to compile 7.14.6 on Debian Lenny, P6 |
| 09:38.31 | Mike111 | any ideas? |
| 09:40.11 | Mike111 | here are the final lines from make: |
| 09:40.25 | Mike111 | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/yoel/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/bwish' |
| 09:40.26 | Mike111 | /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --tag=CC --silent --mode=link gcc -I../../src/other/incrTcl/itcl/generic -I../../src/other/tcl/generic -I../../src/other/tcl/unix -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -O3 -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -O3 -o btclsh btclsh-cmd.o btclsh-input.o btclsh-main.o btclsh-tcl.o ../../src/libtclcad/libtclcad.la ../../src/libdm/libdm.la ../../src/other/incrTcl/libitk.la |
| 09:40.26 | Mike111 | ../../src/other/incrTcl/libitcl.la -L../../src/other/tk/unix -ltk8.5 -L../../src/other/tcl/unix -ltcl8.5 -ldl -lm ../../src/libtermio/libtermio.la |
| 09:40.34 | Mike111 | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `X24_close_existing' |
| 09:40.44 | Mike111 | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `_X24_open_existing' |
| 09:41.01 | Mike111 | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `X24_interface' |
| 09:41.09 | Mike111 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 09:41.19 | Mike111 | make[2]: *** [btclsh] Error 1 |
| 09:42.07 | Mike111 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/bwish' |
| 09:42.07 | Mike111 | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 09:42.07 | Mike111 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src' |
| 09:42.07 | Mike111 | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
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| 11:58.04 | brlcad | starseeker: tis a good one to try out -- that wm has a lot of features that are in IEO for the new gui |
| 11:58.15 | brlcad | xmonad and wmii have a lot in common |
| 11:59.25 | brlcad | Mike111: cool, so now that you're that far .. we can try some things |
| 12:00.12 | brlcad | try this: cd src/bwish && make CFLAGS=../../src/libfb/libfb.la |
| 12:07.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34464 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/Makefile.am: removed fedex_src dependency |
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| 12:46.49 | starseeker | ``Erik: here you go, a common lisp window manager: http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/ |
| 12:48.30 | ``Erik | hehehe isn't that what sawfish is? :D |
| 12:49.08 | ``Erik | my wm of choice these days is the quartz/aqua dealie |
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| 13:37.10 | starseeker | hrm - setting up dzen isn't so simple, if you want to do it right |
| 13:39.17 | starseeker | ooo - http://conky.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:39.28 | starseeker | darn it, now I'm gonna have to figure it out |
| 13:53.33 | madant_ | likes conky :) |
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| 14:16.48 | rincon | does brlcad has uninstall facilities, when you install it from the tar.gz file? |
| 14:17.43 | brlcad | it fully installs into one directory, so you can just remove that directory |
| 14:17.53 | brlcad | for example: rm -rf /usr/brlcad |
| 14:18.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34465 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/CMakeLists.txt librt/CMakeLists.txt): stay in sync with Makefile.am |
| 14:18.22 | brlcad | wonders why the distcheck isn't catching the cmakelist updates.. |
| 14:21.03 | rincon | brlcad: will .tar.gz installation will add a menu? |
| 14:22.06 | brlcad | no |
| 14:22.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34466 10/brlcad/trunk/Makefile.am: ah, so the cmakecheck is running but just not halting (depending on the version of make) when the script reports an error. make it stop so that an out-of-sync CMakeLists.txt file will cause a distcheck failure. |
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| 14:22.35 | brlcad | the .tar.gz is an install tree, you 'install' it by just copying it into place |
| 14:22.56 | brlcad | e.g., it'll unpack a usr/brlcad directory, and you copy that to /usr/brlcad |
| 14:23.10 | brlcad | to uninstall, you rm -rf /usr/brlcad |
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| 14:23.21 | brlcad | doesn't get much simpler |
| 14:24.01 | rincon | brlcad: no need of using the ./configure or make ? |
| 14:24.20 | brlcad | rincon: depends if you have a source tarball or a binary distribution |
| 14:24.31 | rincon | good question? |
| 14:24.34 | brlcad | that was all presuming you had a binary |
| 14:24.44 | rincon | i do not know that |
| 14:24.57 | brlcad | well I can't tell you what you downloaded :) |
| 14:25.15 | brlcad | and if you don't know, you have a lot bigger problems than uninstall :) |
| 14:28.39 | rincon | i downloaded this: http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=105292&filename=brlcad_7.10.4_ia32.tar.gz&a=96672383 |
| 14:29.15 | brlcad | well that's a binary install |
| 14:29.19 | brlcad | hence the ia32 |
| 14:29.49 | rincon | there was no newer version for a 32 bit computer... |
| 14:29.56 | brlcad | you took some link in order to get to that download link though, I'm sure that told you it was a binary install too |
| 14:30.35 | brlcad | yeah, binaries are only pushed out every so often for given platforms, want people from the community to do that |
| 14:31.17 | brlcad | there's enough development tasks to be messing with binary installers every release, those installers can be prepared by anyone (even you!) |
| 14:31.37 | brlcad | if you want to help maintain the linux ia32 build, go for it |
| 14:32.38 | rincon | whre is the newest version of brlcad sources? |
| 14:32.56 | ``Erik | starseeker: are you in today? |
| 14:36.02 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 14:36.02 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 14:37.51 | rincon | i copied brlcad folder to /usr now how do i start it? |
| 14:46.20 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'll be in in an hour or so |
| 14:46.49 | starseeker | ``Erik: something urgent? |
| 14:47.09 | ``Erik | aight, I brought in that book if you want to thumb through it and see if it's worth picking up a copy... I've only skimmed, but I plan on getting deep into it this weekend O.o |
| 14:47.44 | starseeker | ah, cool :-) |
| 14:48.04 | starseeker | that may be the only book I've seen where a LIBRARY copy brings $99 |
| 14:48.33 | starseeker | rincon: type mged |
| 15:00.37 | rincon | in /usr/brlcad/bin/mged ? |
| 15:02.28 | rincon | command. /usr/brlcad/bin/mged does not works |
| 15:02.58 | rincon | [root@alvaro-edicta-host bin]# /usr/brlcad/bin/mged |
| 15:02.59 | rincon | /usr/brlcad/bin/mged: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:02.59 | rincon | [root@alvaro-edicta-host bin]# |
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| 15:24.42 | starseeker | starts distcheck going and heads out |
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| 15:55.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34467 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: that 2.0 scaling factor was rather important so that the object is translated across the mirror point far enough. fixes a bug introduced with the r34263 elimination of the offset as a separately tracked value. |
| 15:56.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34468 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: unbroked. last call for commits. |
| 16:04.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34469 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Consolidate the necessity to provide a simulation of drand48() to one place. |
| 16:05.36 | brlcad | ~bob1961++ |
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| 17:08.37 | ``Erik | huzzah, my car is standing on all 4 again |
| 17:08.49 | brlcad | congrats |
| 17:09.08 | ``Erik | still needs body work and a new wheel though :( |
| 17:09.55 | madant | thinks 'them americans' love their cars too much .. |
| 17:10.35 | brlcad | madant: indeed! |
| 17:10.41 | brlcad | is sick of car commercials |
| 17:11.08 | madant | oh.. and brlcad, what about the guy who bumped ur car ? any progress with the police ? |
| 17:11.20 | brlcad | madant: nah, they're not going to do anything |
| 17:11.28 | madant | brlcad, except the "things just work" commercial of course .. |
| 17:11.29 | brlcad | will just get fixed |
| 17:12.50 | madant | hmm.. my cousin getting engaged tomorrow :P big deal in india i guess :D are there engagement parties in US ? |
| 17:13.05 | brlcad | of course |
| 17:14.03 | madant | hates being in family weddings etc. :P |
| 17:25.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34470 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 17:25.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: no longer using the horrible old/former/obsoleted sf task tracker, so don't |
| 17:25.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: reference it. instead just point to the trackers and be more succint on what |
| 17:25.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the purpose of this file is and how the devs use it. refer to the task backlog |
| 17:25.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: as a backlog. |
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| 17:43.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34471 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (libtienet/tienet_master.h master/master.c): announce when listening |
| 17:44.20 | ``Erik | opposed to the old former obscoleted whiteboard in the hallway? :D |
| 17:45.48 | brlcad | no particularly, no |
| 17:48.09 | brlcad | not everyone has access to that, nor is it very effective at being persistent or supporting a lot of items |
| 17:48.18 | starseeker | madant: the cog commercial is just using the car as an excuse to do the cool stuff ;-) |
| 17:48.41 | ``Erik | it's very persistant, I bet the old items are still sunbaked on it somewhere |
| 17:48.54 | starseeker | and probably still need doing :-/ |
| 17:49.41 | brlcad | starseeker: actually, most of them are still active .. the only ones that were remaining when the board was taken down are the oldest ones in the sf tracker |
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| 18:09.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34472 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 18:09.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: keith improved asc2g so that it will import even larger bots before running out |
| 18:09.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: of memory (and import faster). he made it chunk in input into manageable sizes |
| 18:09.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: and being more memory efficient. this was in response to sf feature request |
| 18:09.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 2750772 from dwaynelk (asc2g fails on large/complex bots) |
| 18:15.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34473 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: note that bob improved the interactive editing support in archer adding support for mouse-based editing of arb8's torii and ellipsoids |
| 18:16.01 | brlcad | I think that's everything -- should check yourself to make sure your user-visible changes are in there |
| 18:16.34 | brlcad | vaguely recalls a tire bug being fixed? |
| 18:16.52 | brlcad | dunno about user-visible for adrt, didn't seem in commits |
| 18:17.10 | ``Erik | nah, pieces are still not public |
| 18:17.33 | ``Erik | soon... mwahaha |
| 18:21.55 | brlcad | updating TODO -- anyone have something they think will be done by next month? |
| 18:22.09 | brlcad | ideally at least one item from anyone doing anything |
| 18:22.40 | ``Erik | will get his car back, get his door fixed, and pick his nose. :D |
| 18:23.04 | brlcad | yeah.. okay |
| 18:23.08 | brlcad | that's not helpful |
| 18:24.13 | ``Erik | d'no how helpful "do more adrt stuff" would be O.o |
| 18:24.26 | brlcad | how about that pnts as points to the dm mod? |
| 18:25.06 | ``Erik | if I lose the will and steam with adrt work, I may go back to that as a distraction :/ |
| 18:25.07 | brlcad | well it is helpful if you can specify 'stuff' |
| 18:25.58 | ``Erik | would have to think on that *shrug* |
| 18:26.16 | brlcad | even if it's minor, something measurable .. precursor to a much more involved planning day coming up anyways |
| 18:26.45 | ``Erik | regaining the 2 lost isst modes? O.o |
| 18:27.07 | brlcad | what's one of them? |
| 18:27.18 | ``Erik | cut and shot |
| 18:27.29 | brlcad | what's probably the easier of the two? :) |
| 18:27.38 | ``Erik | d'no, but cut is first :) |
| 18:28.12 | brlcad | what's shot? |
| 18:28.24 | brlcad | things on the shotline? |
| 18:28.37 | brlcad | assume cut is the split-view cutting plane |
| 18:31.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34474 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 18:31.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: stub out a preliminary guess on what's achievable by the end of this release |
| 18:31.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: iteration (3 weeks remaining) with coverage across at least 5 devs. pnt |
| 18:31.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: improvements, step-g progress, archer updates, functab refactoring, and adrt |
| 18:31.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: views. |
| 18:31.32 | ``Erik | hrm, the split view one is cut, yes, ... mebbe the oter one was flos? |
| 18:32.35 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 18:32.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34475 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: break up the adrt to-do's, remove 'cleanup' as it's too vague |
| 18:38.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34476 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 18:38.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the polygonal NMG -> ON BREP is actually more important than old bspline/nurbs |
| 18:38.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: NMG -> ON BREP so just stub out the goal for both. 'not suck' is too |
| 18:38.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: nondescript for the tables command (don't remember what that meant, and I wrote |
| 18:38.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: it). erik exposed nmg_fix_normals so remove from list. |
| 18:42.13 | ``Erik | 0 |
| 18:42.14 | ``Erik | |
| 18:43.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34477 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 18:43.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: had it in mind for years now to record a matrix above all primitives (akin to |
| 18:43.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: putting each primitive into their own comb) so that all primitives will retain a |
| 18:43.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: local coordinate system by default (where their V stays at 0,0,0). this will |
| 18:43.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: help primitives like the torus support non-uniform scaling without screwing with |
| 18:43.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the implicit form of a torus. |
| 18:44.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34478 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: screw it, c++ is requisite given the BREP integration, GS and GE plans, and the new modeler. |
| 18:46.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34479 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: the tops behaviors were merged with the old form formally deprecated. in 7.14.4 |
| 18:48.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34480 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: expand on CSG optimize task (probably should be multiple, but good enough for now) |
| 18:49.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34481 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: looks like today will be release day.. awaiting a few more distchecks to complete. |
| 18:51.22 | brlcad | wonders if someone could go kick xon/xoff |
| 18:57.08 | ``Erik | they should be rebooting now |
| 19:03.13 | ``Erik | aight, thye'reup |
| 19:04.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34482 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Add NEWS note on tire tread fix. |
| 19:06.27 | starseeker | brlcad: what do you think - are we ready on the backend to have a go at implementing exec for search? |
| 19:09.13 | starseeker | is currently trying to internalize what is needed to build the "bounding box tree" needed for the NURBS raytracing algorithm |
| 19:09.15 | brlcad | starseeker: it's close, there's still a few api problems that should be sorted out in the ged structure and to invoke a pass-through callback |
| 19:09.34 | brlcad | that sounds like a more pressing task actually :) |
| 19:09.59 | brlcad | nurbs trumpeth all this summer as we pull into the final stretch |
| 19:11.25 | starseeker | heh - well, you asked for things that might get done within the month... |
| 19:11.34 | starseeker | doesn't know about that one yet |
| 19:11.44 | brlcad | implementing the bb routine for nurbs sounds like a good goal :) |
| 19:12.01 | starseeker | is also trying to figure out how that relates to our own ideas about sub-bounding-boxes for e.g. pipe |
| 19:12.01 | brlcad | succint in itself |
| 19:12.06 | starseeker | k |
| 19:12.21 | starseeker | pulls up TODO, unless it's frozen now? |
| 19:15.41 | brlcad | todo is never really frozen |
| 19:15.58 | brlcad | only risky code changes |
| 19:17.14 | brlcad | starseeker: ws 'type' in that news commit |
| 19:17.19 | brlcad | er, typo |
| 19:17.32 | starseeker | oops sorry |
| 19:17.44 | brlcad | and is that for specific use? |
| 19:17.48 | brlcad | thin tires, thick ones? |
| 19:18.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34483 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS TODO): Fix NEWS ws typo, add TODO item specifically identifying need for a NURBS 'bounding box tree' building routine |
| 19:18.57 | starseeker | um... I THINK it showed up thicker treaded tires |
| 19:20.04 | starseeker | or, "wider" actually |
| 19:20.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34484 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Tweak tire NEWS item some more |
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| 19:43.23 | starseeker | brlcad: distcheck passes on linux x86_64 |
| 19:43.32 | brlcad | cool |
| 19:57.58 | starseeker | and Mac OSX |
| 19:58.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34485 10/brlcad/trunk/ (12 files in 6 dirs): Added ged_pscale() for scaling primitives.' attributes. |
| 19:58.39 | starseeker | hmm. |
| 19:58.42 | starseeker | rebuilds |
| 20:01.02 | brlcad | huh, well that was certainly a good refactoring |
| 20:01.27 | brlcad | eliminated a couple hundred lines |
| 20:06.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34486 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/CMakeLists.txt: Add pscale.c to CMakeLists.txt |
| 20:13.24 | brlcad | starseeker: did distcheck catch that? |
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| 20:13.56 | starseeker | didn't hault, but I saw your script report it |
| 20:14.03 | brlcad | damn |
| 20:14.42 | brlcad | that should have worked |
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| 20:39.35 | starseeker | ok, distcheck passed again on x86_64 linux and Mac |
| 21:28.18 | brlcad | thanks |
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| 23:27.09 | starseeker | and on gentoo 32 bit linux, fwiw |
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| 09:48.31 | hippieindamakin8 | is just back from a small vacation and waves at brlcad madant_ pacman87 and madant_ |
| 09:48.36 | hippieindamakin8 | *mafm |
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| 15:11.38 | madant_ | hippieindamakin8: howdy :) small vacations are always nice :D |
| 15:12.01 | hippieindamakin8 | hey madant_ |
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| 17:50.15 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 17:50.26 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad |
| 17:50.51 | hippieindamakin8 | i was just wondering how would i test the routine |
| 17:51.06 | brlcad | which routine? |
| 17:51.40 | hippieindamakin8 | the bot to nmg |
| 17:54.41 | hippieindamakin8 | http://dpaste.com/42430/ |
| 17:54.59 | brlcad | ahh, cool |
| 17:55.19 | hippieindamakin8 | any pointers ? |
| 17:55.20 | brlcad | probably the easiest is to just write a little driver test application |
| 17:56.13 | brlcad | that function takes an rt_bot_internal, which is obtained through an rt_db_internal, which can be obtained by doing a db_lookup() iirc |
| 17:56.21 | brlcad | hunts for an example |
| 17:56.41 | hippieindamakin8 | ohk |
| 18:00.11 | brlcad | okay, looks like madant actually has an nice little test for libpc work |
| 18:00.18 | brlcad | look in src/util/pc_test.c |
| 18:01.07 | brlcad | it's doing a couple things you don't need, but much of it applies |
| 18:01.27 | hippieindamakin8 | ohk thanks :) |
| 18:01.55 | brlcad | you'll call db_open() instead of wdb_open() (first is for read/write, the second is write-only) |
| 18:01.57 | hippieindamakin8 | btw i would want to start working on this problem implement a routine to convert an NMG NURBS object to the newer |
| 18:01.57 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.57 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.36 | brlcad | after you get a directory pointer from db_lookup(), you'll pass that dp to rt_db_get_internal() |
| 18:03.27 | hippieindamakin8 | checks that out |
| 18:04.26 | brlcad | once you have that internal pointer (ip) ... |
| 18:04.52 | brlcad | struct rt_bot_internal *bot_ip = (struct rt_bot_internal *)ip->idb_ptr; RT_BOT_CK_MAGIC(bot_ip); |
| 18:05.11 | brlcad | that'll convert it to a bot and validate it |
| 18:06.25 | brlcad | rather, validate that it's actually a 'bot' object, not validate the bot data itself |
| 18:08.04 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i ll get back to u in few moments |
| 18:23.00 | ``Erik | ponders the cost of maid service O.o |
| 18:36.41 | brlcad | about 25-50/hr |
| 18:51.47 | starseeker | poolio: I don't suppose there's a good tutorial on setting up dzen and conky anywhere? |
| 18:52.07 | starseeker | is looking at a rather imposing process to get this working "right" |
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| 21:38.34 | ``Erik | holy oh-wow |
| 21:39.03 | ``Erik | someone figured out how to make emacs not induce rsi... mapping ctrl and meta to... footpedals. |
| 21:39.07 | ``Erik | http://bc.tech.coop/blog/060131.html |
| 22:14.41 | Axman6 | ha |
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| 23:33.32 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
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| 02:20.04 | Ralith | ``Erik: haha |
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| 16:30.03 | elena | hi |
| 18:06.24 | ``Erik | heh, nutty, 5 supercars racing, each with only a gallon of gas O.o top gear ++ |
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| 18:25.13 | alvaro | which is the qcad channel ? |
| 18:27.42 | elena | i don't see it in this servel list. |
| 18:28.17 | alvaro | is #qcad ? |
| 18:28.44 | elena | try it. it didn't show up in my listing. |
| 18:29.19 | alvaro | can i get qcad support here? |
| 18:29.50 | elena | i don't know what it is. maybe others do. |
| 18:30.13 | elena | i've seen some forums about qcad-brlcad integration. |
| 18:30.45 | alvaro | qcad and brl cad should be integrated... |
| 18:33.18 | alvaro | is there a command like offset in qcad ? |
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| 19:21.36 | ``Erik | /t BRL-CAD - NOT qcad, tyvm |
| 19:21.38 | ``Erik | :D |
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| 19:22.05 | elena | too late. he's gone. |
| 19:22.46 | ``Erik | I know, thus my willingness to be so glib |
| 19:22.59 | ``Erik | *shineyhappyfaceforthepople* |
| 19:23.17 | elena | :) |
| 19:23.23 | ``Erik | people, even |
| 19:25.02 | ``Erik | how is your model repo thing going? still exploring the technologies and preparing? I knwo you submitted last year but went with another project, I imagine you have a good grasp of the situation as it relates to your proposal? |
| 19:25.45 | elena | it's going ok. |
| 19:26.07 | elena | yes. i did. and actually it was a good thing i didn't get in last year. |
| 19:26.23 | elena | i got a change to learn more about brlcad meanwhile. |
| 19:26.50 | ``Erik | ok, for the technical side, we're going with a mentor "pool", and I'm listed as unattached/admin, *shrug* let me know how I can help. your success is our success :D |
| 19:27.22 | elena | thank you. I'll "bookmark" you ;) |
| 19:27.37 | ``Erik | as long as you don't "favorite" me O.o |
| 19:27.47 | elena | how was your weekend? |
| 19:28.02 | ``Erik | busy, much cleaning of the domicile |
| 19:28.34 | ``Erik | I received "lisp in small pieces" on thursday and haven't had a chance to really sit down with it :( |
| 19:28.53 | ``Erik | yours? |
| 19:29.11 | elena | seems like better than yours :) |
| 19:29.38 | elena | did you moved recently? |
| 19:29.54 | elena | or just scheduled cleaning. |
| 19:29.54 | pacman87 | waves to elena and ``Erik |
| 19:29.56 | ``Erik | I'd hope so, given that you have the ability to hop a light rail and go get 'exotic' food and beer O:-) |
| 19:30.02 | elena | hi pacman |
| 19:30.29 | pacman87 | i'm the 'new primitives' gsocer |
| 19:31.23 | ``Erik | make-up cleaning for a long period of squalor, preparing to sell it |
| 19:31.25 | pacman87 | my weekend was spend coding a pipelined implemnation of the LC3b |
| 19:31.33 | ``Erik | 'LC3b'? |
| 19:31.53 | pacman87 | yeah, really minimal instruction set for teaching purposes |
| 19:32.02 | ``Erik | (please make good _tess routines, my adrt/isst work is all BoT) |
| 19:32.07 | pacman87 | only 14 instructions |
| 19:32.11 | ``Erik | ah |
| 19:32.30 | ``Erik | I wrote a 'brainfuck' interpreter/compiler suite for fundamental optimization research, that's fun stuff :) |
| 19:32.38 | pacman87 | lol |
| 19:33.00 | pacman87 | i finished my tetris in assembly this week, ended up ~3k when assembled |
| 19:33.10 | ``Erik | which arch/os? |
| 19:33.13 | pacman87 | 6811 |
| 19:33.22 | elena | isn't tetris the enemy of pacman ? |
| 19:33.28 | ``Erik | no os? raw? what vidoe and input hw? |
| 19:33.46 | ``Erik | (and why not 6812? we may've discussed this, but I may not have been very sober) |
| 19:33.51 | pacman87 | input is four switches, output is a 128x64 px LCD panel |
| 19:34.01 | ``Erik | um, I2C lcd? |
| 19:34.07 | pacman87 | because we were given 681's |
| 19:34.13 | ``Erik | ah, classwork? :D |
| 19:34.32 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 19:34.38 | pacman87 | 6811's * |
| 19:34.43 | ``Erik | <-- still curious about how the lcd is wired pu |
| 19:34.46 | ``Erik | up |
| 19:34.55 | pacman87 | no, i put the LCD on the memory bus |
| 19:35.01 | pacman87 | we used an external 8K eeprom |
| 19:35.08 | ``Erik | hm |
| 19:35.14 | ``Erik | nice |
| 19:35.17 | ``Erik | EE class? :) |
| 19:35.32 | pacman87 | i had to switch out the crystal from 8 to 4 MHz to run at 1 MHz so the LCD could keep up |
| 19:35.38 | ``Erik | hehehhe |
| 19:35.40 | pacman87 | yeah, embedded systems |
| 19:36.03 | pacman87 | i also had to write my own 3x5 pixel font |
| 19:36.21 | ``Erik | awesome :) when I did my CS coursework many many years ago, anything that involved touching physical low level hw was an 'ee' class over in the physics dept... at least we still did C and asm back then :) |
| 19:36.49 | pacman87 | yeah, i designed the whole thing from the circuit board on up |
| 19:36.53 | pacman87 | :D |
| 19:37.23 | ``Erik | impressive :) |
| 19:37.56 | ``Erik | <-- been half tempted to buy a 68040 and build a crude unix box ground up, so has an idea of the sheer awesomeness of what ya did |
| 19:42.37 | ``Erik | btw, pacman, grab a camera and show us pics of your masterpiece ;) |
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| 19:58.42 | ``Erik | someone is bbq'ing pig |
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| 20:07.54 | pacman87 | ``Erik: i would take pics, but i haven't gotten moto4lin working in KDE4 yet to get them off my phone |
| 20:08.43 | pacman87 | after i finish coding this, i'll reboot into an install with KDE3 |
| 20:09.09 | elena | is leaving. |
| 20:09.12 | elena | bye |
| 20:09.16 | ``Erik | <-- never liked kde, was alwys a gnome weenie |
| 20:09.23 | ``Erik | have a nice evening, elena :) |
| 20:09.28 | elena | thanks. |
| 20:09.39 | pacman87 | farewell |
| 20:09.55 | elena | I liked kde3 better than gnome. now i like gnome better than kde4. |
| 20:10.12 | pacman87 | ``Erik: i'm the opposite (kde vs gnome) |
| 20:11.16 | ``Erik | I first used gnome 0.10, after learning qt... there were severe weaknesses in qt at the time, and the first kde that came around was... pathetic... throw in that gcc2.7 sucked at c++ and took forever on a 120mhz 48m machine, ... :) I turned into a hardcore C gtk/gnome beeyotch |
| 20:11.42 | ``Erik | every time I try qt/kde, it takes effin' forever to compile and just feels all 'wrong' |
| 20:11.51 | ``Erik | trying too much to be like windows to me |
| 20:12.11 | pacman87 | grew up with windows, doen't know any better |
| 20:12.16 | pacman87 | doesn't * |
| 20:12.27 | ``Erik | that gnucash via macports requires aqbanking, which requires qt3... that pisses me off. A lot. |
| 20:12.57 | ``Erik | ah, I got hooked on 'puters before msdos was popular :) I look for the os that sucks least in my view, winderz has never been anywhere in the running |
| 20:12.59 | pacman87 | my first install was slackware 10 |
| 20:13.08 | ``Erik | heh |
| 20:13.18 | pacman87 | i remember ms-dos shell |
| 20:13.25 | ``Erik | I have a stack of color coded floppy disks from slackware 2.0 |
| 20:13.46 | pacman87 | then win 3.1 |
| 20:14.07 | pacman87 | i still have the windows entertainment pack floppy |
| 20:14.13 | ``Erik | tried to grab a different color fo reach disk set, then wrote (in pencil) the set and number... intended to re-use them, didn't wnat to waste a label |
| 20:14.16 | pacman87 | 16 bit apps |
| 20:14.36 | ``Erik | hm, 6811 is fun, but I bloodied myself on 6502 :( |
| 20:14.42 | pacman87 | so i got an integer overflow in the high score table for tetris |
| 20:14.47 | ``Erik | and 6510 |
| 20:15.13 | ``Erik | steal another bite, on overflow, inc the new byte and clear the old one |
| 20:15.16 | ``Erik | byte |
| 20:15.35 | ``Erik | then mush them together for highscore |
| 20:15.35 | pacman87 | not my tetris, the windows tetris :P |
| 20:15.37 | ``Erik | oh |
| 20:15.39 | ``Erik | hah |
| 20:15.39 | ``Erik | :D |
| 20:15.49 | ``Erik | thought you meant your 68HC11 beastie |
| 20:15.55 | ``Erik | assumes an HC |
| 20:16.03 | pacman87 | strangely enough, the negative scores are still at the top of the list |
| 20:16.06 | pacman87 | yeah, HC |
| 20:16.17 | ``Erik | sort must be unsigned |
| 20:16.26 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 20:16.49 | ``Erik | simple bit radix sort will do that |
| 20:16.51 | brlcad | finishes giving elle a bath and removing her bonnet |
| 20:16.58 | pacman87 | it's disappointing that XP x64 can't run them |
| 20:17.07 | pacman87 | cause they dropped 16 bit support |
| 20:17.59 | ``Erik | heh, or unsigned short vs %d/%u confusion |
| 20:18.06 | ``Erik | O.O |
| 20:18.12 | ``Erik | oh |
| 20:18.16 | ``Erik | the orange thing |
| 20:18.46 | ``Erik | brlcad, drive about 30 minutes up 1... then pick me up and take me to the package store. :D |
| 20:18.58 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 20:19.00 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:19.04 | brlcad | no. |
| 20:19.16 | ``Erik | feigns surprise |
| 20:20.58 | ``Erik | (ya'll remembered to call your mothers, right?) |
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| 20:23.40 | morricone_ | is the solid modeling about modeling matter? |
| 20:24.21 | morricone_ | anyone know anything about QCad |
| 20:24.48 | morricone_ | and how to digitize images to get coordinate values of the lines traced out |
| 20:25.05 | morricone_ | kind of modeling geometry not solids |
| 20:25.09 | morricone_ | but still the same |
| 20:25.20 | ``Erik | soooorta, in a solid model, ever bit of geometry has a physical presense in space and can be queried for things like mass.... qcad seems to be a 2d drafting program more than anything else |
| 20:25.43 | morricone_ | i m looking for a certain function |
| 20:25.54 | ``Erik | that function being? |
| 20:26.06 | morricone_ | and open office org doesnt allow images to be in the chart windows |
| 20:26.29 | morricone_ | laying down points on an image configured in on a coordinate plane |
| 20:26.48 | morricone_ | and then extracting the geometric data in the form of x,y |
| 20:26.56 | morricone_ | and inputting it into open offie |
| 20:26.58 | morricone_ | office |
| 20:26.59 | morricone_ | * |
| 20:27.17 | morricone_ | i cant seem to find the program that will do that for me |
| 20:27.23 | ``Erik | like... converting a raster image into a vector image? |
| 20:27.31 | morricone_ | yes |
| 20:27.44 | morricone_ | but i want the data |
| 20:27.53 | morricone_ | so i can model the physics in spreadsheet |
| 20:27.59 | ``Erik | that's more of a 2d manipulation, not a cad/cam/cae issue |
| 20:28.34 | morricone_ | you ever heard of it being a function in an open source program list? |
| 20:28.38 | morricone_ | any |
| 20:29.02 | morricone_ | it is easy with AutoCAd |
| 20:29.06 | morricone_ | and excel |
| 20:29.18 | morricone_ | the terrible ms programs i know so well |
| 20:29.21 | ``Erik | it's not a thing I follow, sorry... I know the 'sorbel' edge detection algo is simple abd public, I'd imagine it could easily be walked to find basic splines |
| 20:29.31 | ``Erik | but it's just not my scene, I'm sorry |
| 20:29.44 | morricone_ | no problemo |
| 20:29.58 | morricone_ | i m sure resolution will occur if i presist |
| 20:30.04 | ``Erik | mebbe "gimp" has a fu to make it happen |
| 20:30.15 | morricone_ | i ll check that out |
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| 20:31.03 | ``Erik | hopes he didn't steer that guy wrong |
| 20:34.02 | andax | gimp has a smart edge detection feature, if that helps |
| 20:34.55 | ``Erik | dude's gone *shrug* I only know sorbel cuz I implemented it for shits and giggles one afternoon |
| 20:35.44 | andax | i dont know if it can write to .dxf files or such, anyway... |
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| 20:50.22 | alvaro | how do i start brlcad when you install it from binary tar.gz ? |
| 20:50.58 | alvaro | [root@alvaro-edicta-host bin]# /usr/brlcad/bin/mged |
| 20:50.58 | alvaro | /usr/brlcad/bin/mged: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:50.58 | alvaro | [root@alvaro-edicta-host bin]# |
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| 20:56.04 | ``Erik | means you don't have the same libc++ that it was compiled against |
| 20:56.13 | ``Erik | your best bet is probably to compile it from scratch, sorry :( |
| 20:57.10 | alvaro | is it difficult to compile it? |
| 20:58.03 | alvaro | where are the instrucions to do it ? |
| 21:00.00 | ``Erik | um, untar the source, go into the dir, do "./compile --enable all && make install" and that's it |
| 21:00.37 | alvaro | seems easy ..... (too much to be true) |
| 21:02.31 | alvaro | where are the sources? |
| 21:03.19 | pacman87 | ~cadsvn |
| 21:03.19 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 21:04.03 | pacman87 | although you might want the latest release instead of svn |
| 21:04.44 | ``Erik | same place you downloaded the binary, except it says "source" instead of "linux x86-32" |
| 21:05.24 | alvaro | i think thi is: http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=105292&filename=brlcad-7.14.6.tar.gz&a=28288066 |
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| 06:56.37 | starseeker | ``Erik: sounds like that guy might have wanted digitizer: http://digitizer.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:19.17 | Mike111 | . |
| 07:19.56 | Mike111 | . |
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| 07:20.56 | Mike111 | hi all |
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| 07:22.44 | Mike111 | can anyone help with building on Debian Lenny? |
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| 10:35.36 | Mike111 | . |
| 10:38.19 | Mike111 | Please note I was not logging the channel on the weekend so apologies if someone had replied to my question, but please reply again. Thanks - Mike. |
| 10:38.23 | hippieindamakin8 | Mike111, hey |
| 10:38.32 | Mike111 | hi hippie |
| 10:38.43 | hippieindamakin8 | Mike111, what seems to be problem out there ? |
| 10:39.16 | Mike111 | unable to compile 7.14.6 on Debian Lenny |
| 10:39.53 | hippieindamakin8 | ohh whats the error ? |
| 10:40.18 | Mike111 | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/bwish' |
| 10:40.18 | Mike111 | /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --tag=CC --silent --mode=link gcc -I../../src/other/incrTcl/itcl/generic -I../../src/other/tcl/generic -I../../src/other/tcl/unix -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -O3 -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -O3 -o btclsh btclsh-cmd.o btclsh-input.o btclsh-main.o btclsh-tcl.o ../../src/libtclcad/libtclcad.la ../../src/libdm/libdm.la ../../src/other/incrTcl/libitk.la |
| 10:40.18 | Mike111 | ../../src/other/incrTcl/libitcl.la -L../../src/other/tk/unix -ltk8.5 -L../../src/other/tcl/unix -ltcl8.5 -ldl -lm ../../src/libtermio/libtermio.la |
| 10:40.18 | Mike111 | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `X24_close_existing' |
| 10:40.20 | Mike111 | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `_X24_open_existing' |
| 10:40.22 | Mike111 | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `X24_interface' |
| 10:40.24 | Mike111 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 10:40.28 | Mike111 | make[2]: *** [btclsh] Error 1 |
| 10:40.31 | Mike111 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/bwish' |
| 10:40.33 | Mike111 | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 10:40.34 | Mike111 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src' |
| 10:40.36 | Mike111 | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 10:40.47 | Mike111 | these are the last few lines from `make' just before it exists with an error |
| 10:40.48 | hippieindamakin8 | Mike111, can u dpaste it if u have more |
| 10:41.14 | Mike111 | what is dpaste? |
| 11:09.42 | hippieindamakin8 | tcl libs |
| 11:16.45 | Mike111 | brclad: I've tried building 7.14.6 again. First removed configure, config.status and config.cache* and ran autogen.sh, followed by ./configure and naje |
| 11:16.49 | Mike111 | sorry make |
| 11:17.07 | Mike111 | here is the last few lines from make where it reports the error: |
| 11:17.38 | Mike111 | Making all in brlman |
| 11:17.39 | Mike111 | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/brlman' |
| 11:17.39 | Mike111 | make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. |
| 11:17.39 | Mike111 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/brlman' |
| 11:17.39 | Mike111 | Making all in burst |
| 11:17.39 | Mike111 | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/burst' |
| 11:17.41 | Mike111 | make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. |
| 11:17.45 | Mike111 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/burst' |
| 11:17.47 | Mike111 | Making all in bwish |
| 11:17.49 | Mike111 | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/bwish' |
| 11:17.52 | Mike111 | /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --tag=CC --silent --mode=link gcc -I../../src/other/incrTcl/itcl/generic -I../../src/other/tcl/generic -I../../src/other/tcl/unix -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -o btclsh btclsh-cmd.o btclsh-input.o btclsh-main.o btclsh-tcl.o ../../src/libtclcad/libtclcad.la ../../src/libdm/libdm.la ../../src/other/incrTcl/libitk.la ../../sr |
| 11:17.56 | Mike111 | c/other/incrTcl/libitcl.la -L../../src/other/tk/unix -ltk8.5 -L../../src/other/tcl/unix -ltcl8.5 -ldl -lm ../../src/libtermio/libtermio.la |
| 11:17.59 | Mike111 | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `X24_close_existing' |
| 11:18.01 | Mike111 | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `_X24_open_existing' |
| 11:18.03 | Mike111 | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `X24_interface' |
| 11:18.06 | Mike111 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:18.07 | Mike111 | make[2]: *** [btclsh] Error 1 |
| 11:18.09 | Mike111 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/bwish' |
| 11:18.11 | Mike111 | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 11:18.15 | Mike111 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src' |
| 11:18.17 | Mike111 | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 11:18.19 | Mike111 | I'm logging the channel now so you if you reply I'll your response when I return. Thanks for your help. |
| 11:19.32 | d-lo | looks like the linker can't find your X24 libs... |
| 11:21.05 | Mike111 | hi d-lo: thanks for the prompt reply. I need to go now. if you have any ideas please message me or the channel and I'll catch up on these when I come up in the morning. Cheers |
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| 12:22.57 | starseeker | Mike111: if you need to paste large content like that use http://pastebin.bzflag.bz |
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| 13:27.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34487 10/rt^3/trunk/src/coreInterface/Ellipsoid.cpp: ws changes only |
| 13:45.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34488 10/rt^3/trunk/ (11 files in 2 dirs): operator new may throw a std::bad_alloc exception |
| 13:47.55 | ``Erik | grar. |
| 13:48.06 | ``Erik | interesting to see the guts of the front of my house |
| 13:48.12 | ``Erik | nothing surprising, just... different |
| 13:49.23 | d-lo | quick... run some cat5e/6 |
| 13:49.36 | ``Erik | heh, up the front? screw that |
| 13:50.06 | ``Erik | I hate a small bundle down in the back of the lowest floor, everythign else is 802.11b/g atm |
| 13:50.17 | ``Erik | unfortunately, that lone b turns every g into a b |
| 13:51.00 | d-lo | whats the offender? A nic? Bridge? Access point? |
| 13:51.15 | ``Erik | I believe an old ibook and the wap |
| 13:51.52 | ``Erik | I might decomission/hock the old laptop, but that'd leave the wap, which is 7 yrs old |
| 13:52.00 | ``Erik | $50 for 7 yrs isn't too bad |
| 13:52.28 | ``Erik | Iwantmydamncarback. they're saying thursday-ish |
| 13:52.35 | ``Erik | fucking 2 months |
| 13:53.04 | ``Erik | this fucking rental floats, has no road feel, has no clutch, is all skunked up from smokers, ... sucks |
| 13:53.14 | d-lo | ouch. Prognosis on repairs? She'll be just like new or ? |
| 13:53.17 | ``Erik | and the additional culpability it brings, effin' a |
| 13:53.34 | ``Erik | yeah, they're worry points are tread depth if I get a new tire... |
| 13:53.40 | ``Erik | half the car is being repainted though |
| 13:53.52 | ``Erik | their |
| 13:54.13 | d-lo | same color right? =D |
| 13:54.23 | ``Erik | I'll grill them heavier after the new rim/tire is fitted and they put it all together and align it |
| 13:54.25 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 13:54.51 | ``Erik | as fun as the attention the laguna seca car brought, I've decided I don't want to stand out that much |
| 13:54.57 | ``Erik | less huffing of ricer nos fumes |
| 13:55.18 | ``Erik | I don't WANT to race your little ford assprobe with "the kit", I just want to get home and watch the simpsons, fucktard |
| 13:55.28 | d-lo | tee hee. |
| 13:55.50 | ``Erik | I think brlcad gets off on it, I got tired of it |
| 13:56.02 | d-lo | Nothing as awesome as a Neon with a killer muffler, huge spoiler and two difference colored doors 'cause they can't afford the paint job yet. :) |
| 13:56.21 | ``Erik | hehhee |
| 13:56.26 | ``Erik | the wing, man |
| 13:56.28 | ``Erik | it's all about the wing |
| 13:56.52 | d-lo | yeah, add downforce in the rear on a front wheel drive == pure genious. |
| 13:56.53 | ``Erik | yeah, the car is front drive, so that downforce is technically air friction plus increased rear tire friction, but... uhhhhh, it's all about the wing |
| 13:57.22 | ``Erik | I made you look at the 'k-car' site, right? |
| 13:57.31 | d-lo | negative ghost rider |
| 13:57.37 | ``Erik | dude took an 80's dodge K frame car, uh |
| 13:57.43 | ``Erik | has it running 8 second quarters |
| 13:57.49 | ``Erik | and it looks like a grannymobile |
| 13:58.18 | ``Erik | guys also smoking camaros and mustangs with an 80's minivan |
| 13:58.25 | ``Erik | http://www.thedodgegarage.com/ check out the reliant |
| 13:58.41 | ``Erik | 10, not 8 :( |
| 13:58.48 | ``Erik | mebbe it was one of his beasts that took to the 8's |
| 13:59.28 | ``Erik | given that any street car under 100k is in the 13's, a 10s car is zomfg |
| 14:01.37 | d-lo | ahahahahhahaha. Checking out the bag of ice bungeed to the intercooler in the suped up minivan. AHAHAHAHAAHAHA |
| 14:02.08 | ``Erik | :D |
| 14:02.17 | ``Erik | dude is all go and no show |
| 14:02.27 | d-lo | thats so ghetto its awesome.... |
| 14:02.54 | ``Erik | I'd sit next to that dude before any ricer |
| 14:03.19 | ``Erik | <-- fan of the sleeper |
| 14:04.17 | d-lo | I saw a reference to Cecil county.. they in MD? |
| 14:04.24 | ``Erik | no, he's way up north |
| 14:04.31 | ``Erik | but he drives down for the cecil county track |
| 14:04.44 | ``Erik | boggled me at first |
| 14:07.20 | ``Erik | (way up like cecil involves a hotel way up) |
| 14:08.30 | ``Erik | loves the tech of it all |
| 14:17.26 | d-lo | ah ha! I forgot its Free Redbox Movie day. Sweet. |
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| 15:46.00 | d-lo | Now there's a shock. My highschool band teacher just won Mrs Arizona.... http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/04/24/20090424gl-dvbeauty0424-ON.html |
| 15:50.15 | hippieindamakin8 | d-lo, woah u had hot teachers :) |
| 15:50.45 | d-lo | I always knew she was pretty, nice and an awesome music teacher... but damn... who knew... |
| 15:53.52 | hippieindamakin8 | when my school had to do budget cuts the music teacher was one of the ones fired and there was no music class in high school |
| 15:54.27 | d-lo | thats a growing trend. Sad really. |
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| 16:01.29 | d-lo | In fact, I would say that music education had a significantly bigger impact on shaping my life than sports did. |
| 16:33.16 | brlcad | is humorously reminded of office space with this pic: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3434141027_6899d20fb7_b.jpg |
| 17:09.37 | brlcad | wow.. what a tetris performance .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwC544Z37qo |
| 17:14.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34490 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Modify ArcherCore::loadMenu to select snode. |
| 17:19.50 | d-lo | brlcad: simply amazing. Although I do wonder howmany life opportunities were missed out while he was practicing... heh. I'd imagine a few of those opportunities had nice racks too ;) |
| 17:46.26 | ``Erik | nice, dlo, how can you avoid the "hot for teacher" cameo? |
| 18:23.36 | d-lo | who's avoiding it? :) |
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| 19:25.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34491 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add code for editing EHY's in libged and Archer. |
| 19:54.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34492 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: need to force compilation of step off if there are no parsers/lexers found since there is a parser in libexpress. avoids compile-time failure on minimal systems. |
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| 20:18.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34493 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: all -build options should default to 'auto', including step. if the user specifically requested step and parser/lexer aren't present, abort. |
| 20:18.21 | ``Erik | *sigh* |
| 20:18.34 | ``Erik | I hate when that file is changed. |
| 20:19.11 | brlcad | cackles |
| 20:26.11 | brlcad | woot, PTC sales fell 44% compared to Q2FY08 |
| 20:26.36 | ``Erik | ptc? |
| 20:26.41 | brlcad | pro/e |
| 20:26.45 | ``Erik | ah |
| 20:26.56 | ``Erik | so... uh, who's next? |
| 20:27.18 | ``Erik | I think this dude is listening to ... rush limbaugh? |
| 20:27.24 | brlcad | they're no longer one of the "top 5" that are billion+ CAD companies |
| 20:27.48 | brlcad | will drop (just) under a billion this year if projection holds |
| 20:28.14 | ``Erik | y'know, I'm an awfully soft dude... but, uh, when the dude came to fix my window and wanted to convert me... no sale... and now, the guy fixing my front door... rush limbaugh? really? |
| 20:28.40 | ``Erik | I'm gonna effin' bitchslap ericE for this |
| 20:28.46 | brlcad | probably just thought you had a purdy mouth |
| 20:33.38 | ``Erik | yeh, I do sure have a purdy mouth |
| 20:44.19 | starseeker | brlcad: so who are the top five now? |
| 20:44.58 | brlcad | well they're still probably #5 |
| 20:45.44 | brlcad | but the top five were all billion+ so was considered a 'club'/mafia/elitism |
| 20:45.54 | starseeker | ah |
| 20:50.03 | brlcad | autodesk, dassault, siemens, and ptc |
| 20:50.18 | brlcad | it was four, not five .. unless I'm forgetting someone |
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| 20:52.06 | brlcad | 2.4b, 1.2b, 1.1b, and now .9b respectively if projection holds .. rough estimates |
| 20:53.46 | ``Erik | images us gov't has at least a b to its name |
| 20:53.54 | ``Erik | for a wee bit, anyways |
| 20:54.25 | brlcad | eh, try 3.6t |
| 20:55.45 | brlcad | good grief this rebuild is taking fooooreeeverrr |
| 20:58.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34494 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: odd ws snuckage |
| 20:59.40 | brlcad | anyone else have a clean debian/ubuntu box handy? this one I'm using is really slow -- trying to make sure Mike111's bug is fixed for this source release |
| 21:01.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34495 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob sneaks in support for ehy interactive editing in archer along with that which was added for arb8, tor, and ell. |
| 21:13.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34496 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: update the version before updating the changelog so the change is recorded |
| 21:17.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34497 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): final release steps, bump patch revision for the 7.14.8 release |
| 21:26.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34498 10/brlcad/trunk/ChangeLog: changes since the last release, through 2009-04-03 |
| 21:37.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34499 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: collapse the distcheck step with the build step to reduce the number of release steps back down to 15. making the minimum regression tests copypasteable. |
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| 22:02.27 | starseeker | hmm - gqa has problems with grid specification |
| 22:03.03 | starseeker | g_qa -Ao -g1-0.1 ktank.g tank |
| 22:03.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34500 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: bc_ vars are the user's specification of the build. the build_brlcad_ vars are our evaluated results of whether to build or not. config subdirs needs to use the latter else dist problems enwrath |
| 22:04.05 | starseeker | I think the issue is it's not getting to any of its termination cases, but I'm not sure why yet |
| 22:09.19 | brlcad | g_qa needs to identify itself and report what it's going to do before it does it |
| 22:09.29 | brlcad | the output now is pretty inpenetrable |
| 22:09.57 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:10.14 | brlcad | -v is mildly useless |
| 22:10.36 | brlcad | the overlap list is the only part that looks to be semiclean |
| 22:11.30 | brlcad | it terminated with -g 1.0mm .. but took like 10x the default |
| 22:11.43 | brlcad | I suspect making it .1 means it'll be 10-20 min |
| 22:13.58 | brlcad | actually, not quite that bad: real 2m58.831s |
| 22:14.11 | brlcad | that was with: g_qa -v -Ao -g 1.0mm-0.1mm ktank.g tank |
| 22:14.25 | starseeker | ah, so it did eventually terminate |
| 22:14.45 | brlcad | seems about right .. just kicked up the number of rays really fast |
| 22:14.53 | starseeker | ok, nevermind |
| 22:14.54 | brlcad | remember they're ^3 |
| 22:15.06 | starseeker | feedback would be nice... |
| 22:15.29 | brlcad | so 10x on the grid is .. 100x more per view, 300x overall |
| 22:17.27 | starseeker | yeah, I see it now |
| 22:17.54 | brlcad | update TODO, couple tasks |
| 22:18.10 | brlcad | feedback at a minimum |
| 22:18.38 | starseeker | abort ability would also be nice |
| 22:18.40 | brlcad | identification header to let you know it's working |
| 22:18.55 | brlcad | hm? |
| 22:18.58 | brlcad | ctrl-c ? :) |
| 22:19.01 | starseeker | yep |
| 22:19.01 | brlcad | oh you mean in mged |
| 22:22.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34501 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: Add note on g_qa usability improvements needed in TODO |
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| 23:24.26 | alvaro1 | configure: error: *** compiler cannot create working executables, check config.log *** |
| 23:24.43 | brlcad | did you check config.log? :) |
| 23:25.44 | alvaro1 | can i pastre it here? |
| 23:27.46 | alvaro1 | [root@alvaro-edicta-host brlcad-7.14.6]# ./configure --enable-optimized > a |
| 23:28.00 | alvaro1 | configure: WARNING: X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found. |
| 23:28.00 | alvaro1 | configure: WARNING: This will likely result in a build failure. |
| 23:28.00 | alvaro1 | configure: WARNING: See config.log for details why (look for this comment) |
| 23:28.00 | alvaro1 | configure: WARNING: The floating point implementation does not seem to be IEEE 754 |
| 23:28.00 | alvaro1 | configure: WARNING: compliant. The behavior of htond and htonf may be incorrect. |
| 23:28.01 | alvaro1 | configure: error: *** compiler cannot create working executables, check config.log *** |
| 23:28.03 | alvaro1 | [root@alvaro-edicta-host brlcad-7.14.6]# |
| 23:29.04 | brlcad | eh |
| 23:29.18 | brlcad | you misunderstand something |
| 23:29.30 | brlcad | that is not the config.log |
| 23:29.44 | brlcad | you redirected most of the configure output to a file named 'a' |
| 23:29.51 | brlcad | so you only see what went to stderr |
| 23:30.19 | brlcad | which is all hopefully informative but still irrelevant to towards "check config.log" |
| 23:35.22 | alvaro1 | i am triying to paste config.log but it is too big |
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| 23:49.50 | alvaro1 | brlcad can you give you email ? |
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| 00:16.56 | brlcad | alvaro1: read the config.log file, scan to the end |
| 00:17.23 | alvaro1 | i am not that good in programming |
| 00:17.30 | brlcad | it's not a mysterious file, you just have to read what it says :) |
| 00:17.37 | brlcad | it has nothing to do with programming |
| 00:17.44 | brlcad | it's just a text log file |
| 00:18.22 | alvaro1 | configure:28165: gcc -o conftest -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib conftest.c -lm >&5 |
| 00:18.22 | alvaro1 | conftest.c:37: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'cos' |
| 00:18.33 | brlcad | keep going |
| 00:19.14 | alvaro1 | configure:28116: }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} |
| 00:19.14 | alvaro1 | configure:28118: WARNING: X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found. |
| 00:19.14 | alvaro1 | configure:28120: WARNING: This will likely result in a build failure. |
| 00:19.14 | alvaro1 | configure:28122: WARNING: See config.log for details why (look for this comment) |
| 00:19.14 | alvaro1 | configure:28124: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 00:19.14 | alvaro1 | configure:28135: checking for cos in -lm |
| 00:19.16 | alvaro1 | configure:28165: gcc -o conftest -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib conftest.c -lm >&5 |
| 00:19.18 | alvaro1 | conftest.c:37: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'cos' |
| 00:19.20 | alvaro1 | configure:28171: $? = 0 |
| 00:19.22 | alvaro1 | configure:28175: test -z |
| 00:19.24 | alvaro1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.26 | alvaro1 | configure:28178: $? = 0 |
| 00:19.27 | brlcad | stop pasting :) |
| 00:19.28 | alvaro1 | configure:28181: test -s conftest |
| 00:19.30 | alvaro1 | configure:28184: $? = 0 |
| 00:19.32 | alvaro1 | configure:28197: result: yes |
| 00:19.34 | alvaro1 | configure:28206: checking for regcomp in -lc |
| 00:19.36 | alvaro1 | configure:28236: gcc -o conftest -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib conftest.c -lc >&5 |
| 00:19.38 | alvaro1 | configure:28242: $? = 0 |
| 00:19.40 | alvaro1 | configure:28246: test -z |
| 00:19.48 | brlcad | the file has thousands of lines for tons of tests |
| 00:20.03 | brlcad | you need to find where it stopped, it'll say why |
| 00:20.11 | brlcad | so scan down towards the end |
| 00:20.29 | brlcad | look for "compiler cannot create working executables" |
| 00:21.17 | brlcad | those other WARNING lines are important too, but they're certainly not the ones halting the build |
| 00:22.24 | alvaro1 | i found it http://fpaste.org/paste/11705 |
| 00:22.41 | brlcad | great |
| 00:22.48 | brlcad | now look at the lines that preceed it |
| 00:22.54 | brlcad | it ran some test and it failed |
| 00:23.20 | brlcad | might be immediately before, might be several dozen before |
| 00:25.35 | alvaro1 | http://fpaste.org/paste/11706 |
| 00:25.40 | alvaro1 | must be here |
| 00:26.32 | brlcad | and you are correct |
| 00:26.37 | brlcad | so what's the problem? |
| 00:27.13 | alvaro1 | the heaader is wrong |
| 00:27.17 | brlcad | nope |
| 00:27.32 | alvaro1 | /* confdefs.h. */ |
| 00:27.36 | brlcad | what does line 1 say it's doing |
| 00:28.54 | alvaro1 | checking g++ compiler and flags for sanity |
| 00:29.05 | brlcad | right |
| 00:29.14 | brlcad | so it's going to make sure the compiler works |
| 00:29.33 | brlcad | line 2 is the command it runs to test if the compiler works |
| 00:29.44 | brlcad | then what happens? |
| 00:31.01 | alvaro1 | so the problem is the compiler |
| 00:31.13 | alvaro1 | or headers |
| 00:31.51 | brlcad | don't jump .. what happened after it tried to run that command it showed on line 2 ? |
| 00:32.27 | brlcad | read line 3 |
| 00:33.44 | alvaro1 | i must install g++ |
| 00:34.13 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:34.45 | brlcad | "compiler cannot create working executables" .. because you don't even have the compiler |
| 00:35.50 | alvaro1 | arm-gp2x-linux-gcc-c++.i386 : Cross Compiling GNU G++ targeted at arm-gp2x-linux |
| 00:35.50 | alvaro1 | avr-gcc-c++.i386 : Cross Compiling GNU GCC targeted at avr |
| 00:36.00 | alvaro1 | can i use any of those? |
| 00:36.46 | brlcad | depends on your hardware -- do you have arm or avr? |
| 00:37.00 | alvaro1 | do not have a clue ... |
| 00:37.04 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:37.13 | brlcad | well then it sounds like it's a no probably |
| 00:37.23 | brlcad | what's your os? |
| 00:37.30 | alvaro1 | f10 |
| 00:37.42 | alvaro1 | fedora 10 |
| 00:37.44 | brlcad | how do you normally install software? |
| 00:37.49 | alvaro1 | yum |
| 00:38.21 | brlcad | try just: yum install gcc-c++ |
| 00:38.51 | brlcad | or yum install g++ |
| 00:39.11 | alvaro1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.15 | brlcad | but I suspect just yum install gcc-c++ |
| 00:39.19 | brlcad | that looks like it |
| 00:39.50 | alvaro1 | brlcad: thanks |
| 00:39.56 | brlcad | no problem |
| 00:40.39 | alvaro1 | if it runs can i upload it to the home page of brlcad |
| 00:41.03 | brlcad | only if you go through all the steps to make a proper yum package :) |
| 00:41.35 | brlcad | and/or a proper rpm |
| 00:41.57 | brlcad | there are dozens if not hundreds of tutorials on how to make an rpm |
| 00:42.09 | brlcad | quick web search is a wealth of knowledge |
| 00:42.21 | brlcad | you could certainly become the rpm maintainer, though :) |
| 00:43.15 | alvaro1 | i thought only as an "copy to /usr" version |
| 00:44.55 | brlcad | mm, that's possible too, though you'll have to build with specific configure options and create some symlinks |
| 00:45.07 | brlcad | and build from a tagged version |
| 00:45.31 | alvaro1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.56 | brlcad | actually it's not |
| 00:46.05 | brlcad | just sounds easier because there are tutorials |
| 00:46.19 | brlcad | you'd still have to go through the same steps, specific configure options |
| 00:46.27 | brlcad | part of release management |
| 00:46.44 | brlcad | so the settings on distributions are consistent |
| 00:47.31 | brlcad | ``Erik: heh, now *this* build is going to take a long time.... on a Linksys NSLU2 |
| 00:48.11 | brlcad | about 2/3rds the speed of an old SGI O2, 32MB memory .. been compiling all day and it's still in the middle of openNURBS :) |
| 00:50.14 | alvaro1 | http://fpaste.org/paste/11708 it seems to be built |
| 00:51.00 | alvaro1 | brlcad: http://fpaste.org/paste/11708 |
| 00:53.02 | brlcad | curious, why do you redirect output to 'a'? |
| 00:54.28 | brlcad | the most important warning there is the first one, that the Xi library was not found -- you need to install that |
| 00:54.39 | alvaro1 | http://fpaste.org/paste/11709 here is a |
| 00:54.50 | brlcad | I don't want 'a' |
| 00:54.56 | brlcad | I want to know why you redirect to 'a' |
| 00:55.55 | alvaro1 | because the terminal has not enough buffer capabilities, and in order to keep it all i redirect it to a |
| 00:56.18 | brlcad | okay, fair enough |
| 00:57.03 | brlcad | if you want to capture all output together, you can do this: ./configure --enable-optimized > a 2>&1 |
| 00:57.23 | brlcad | that "2>&1" will put the stderr with the stdout like you see when the command is run without a redirect |
| 00:57.27 | brlcad | that can be done for any command |
| 00:57.35 | brlcad | just so you know |
| 00:57.53 | brlcad | so install libXi and you should hopefully be good to go |
| 00:58.04 | brlcad | (rerun configure to verify that the warning goes away) |
| 00:58.49 | alvaro1 | i already tiped "make" |
| 00:59.04 | alvaro1 | it is running "make" |
| 00:59.43 | alvaro1 | is libXi important ? |
| 01:03.01 | Mike111 | hi brlcad |
| 01:03.47 | Mike111 | I've looked at the channel log. any luck tracing the problem I've got? |
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| 01:12.30 | brlcad | Mike111: did you try that 'make CFLAGS...' I suggested a couple days ago? |
| 01:12.44 | brlcad | alvaro1: what did the warning say? |
| 01:12.55 | brlcad | (don't paste it, read it) :) |
| 01:13.14 | Mike111 | brlcad: you mean the one with the burst? |
| 01:13.31 | brlcad | Mike111: I don't recall exactly which directory |
| 01:13.56 | brlcad | but the suggestion was to add a cflag that might have resolved the link failure |
| 01:14.14 | Mike111 | in your email you mentioned: "cd src/ |
| 01:14.15 | Mike111 | burst && make CFLAGS=../libfb/libfb.la" and see if that makes any |
| 01:14.15 | Mike111 | difference. |
| 01:14.27 | Mike111 | I've tried this but am getting the same error |
| 01:14.40 | brlcad | exact same error? |
| 01:14.47 | brlcad | or just failed in some other way? |
| 01:14.54 | alvaro1 | brcad: This will likely result in a build failure. |
| 01:15.05 | Mike111 | same error: those X_24 references |
| 01:15.10 | brlcad | alvaro1: so you tell me, does libXi sound important? :) |
| 01:15.31 | brlcad | it's "likely" that it's important, but feel free to ignore the warning :) |
| 01:15.43 | alvaro1 | brlcad: i must stop "make" |
| 01:15.52 | brlcad | alvaro1: or wait for it to fail |
| 01:15.55 | brlcad | then install it |
| 01:15.58 | brlcad | then run make again |
| 01:16.08 | brlcad | Mike111: okay, hm |
| 01:16.19 | brlcad | Mike111: it's failing for you in src/burst, yes? |
| 01:16.37 | alvaro1 | brlcad: is not a problem to interrupt make? |
| 01:16.51 | brlcad | alvaro1: no, you could do that too -- doesn't matter |
| 01:17.35 | Mike111 | brlcad: I'll paste the lines again |
| 01:17.47 | brlcad | Mike111: heh, you're doing the same as alvaro1 :) |
| 01:18.01 | brlcad | the lines say, you really don't need to paste them :) |
| 01:18.24 | brlcad | have to read them .. just seems foreign at first but it's actually english ;) |
| 01:18.48 | Mike111 | Then how will you know where exactly it fails? |
| 01:18.56 | Mike111 | if I don't paste the error outputs? |
| 01:19.31 | brlcad | because it halts where it fails, you read it, you tell me |
| 01:20.57 | Mike111 | the last directory make entered was brlcad-7.14.6/src/bwish |
| 01:21.22 | brlcad | you're welcome to *also* pastebin the output ... just really shouldn't get the (bad/common) habit of pasting when something unexpected happens _instead_ of reading the output ;) |
| 01:21.39 | brlcad | okay, good to know |
| 01:21.50 | Mike111 | it then run gcc with lots of files and options and then reports ./../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `X24_close_existing' |
| 01:22.01 | brlcad | nods |
| 01:22.33 | brlcad | I'm 70% sure that's the fault of the debian devs .. messing with libtool |
| 01:23.01 | brlcad | which leaves a lot of room for uncertainty and still doesn't fix anything for you :) |
| 01:23.32 | brlcad | so the issue per that message is libtclcad |
| 01:24.01 | brlcad | that X24_... symbol should be coming from our libfb library but for whatever reason libtool isn't linking it in |
| 01:24.31 | brlcad | more than likely it's just an ordering issue, but one fix should be to verify/force libfb to link into libtclcad |
| 01:24.34 | brlcad | so try this: |
| 01:24.39 | brlcad | cd src/libtclcad |
| 01:25.16 | Mike111 | ok I'm there |
| 01:27.10 | brlcad | what does this report: grep TCLCAD Makefile | grep libfb | wc |
| 01:28.03 | Mike111 | 1 218 3233 |
| 01:28.17 | brlcad | okay, and this: grep dependency libtclcad.la |
| 01:28.37 | brlcad | should be a long line |
| 01:29.21 | Mike111 | dependency_libs=' -L/usr/local/lib -L/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/other/tcl/unix /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/libdm/libdm.la -L/home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/other/tk/unix -L/usr/include/xorg/lib /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/libged/libged.la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/libwdb/libwdb.la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/librt/librt.la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/libbn/libbn. |
| 01:29.21 | Mike111 | la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/other/libregex/libregex.la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/libsysv/libsysv.la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/other/openNURBS/libopenNURBS.la -lstdc++ -lX11 -lXext -lXi /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/libfb/libfb.la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/libbu/libbu.la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/other/libpng/libpng.la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/other/l |
| 01:29.23 | Mike111 | ibz/libz.la -lc -lpthread /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/libpkg/libpkg.la -lnsl /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/other/incrTcl/libitk.la /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/other/incrTcl/libitcl.la -ltk8.5 -ltclstub8.5 -ltcl8.5 -ldl -lm' |
| 01:30.09 | brlcad | hm, okay that looks right |
| 01:30.39 | Mike111 | the config.log file lists several errors: |
| 01:30.46 | Mike111 | conftest.c:12:28: error: ac_nonexistent.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:30.55 | brlcad | that's normal |
| 01:30.58 | Mike111 | configure: failed program was: |
| 01:30.59 | Mike111 | | /* confdefs.h. */ |
| 01:31.02 | brlcad | it runs thousands of tests |
| 01:31.09 | Mike111 | ok |
| 01:31.12 | brlcad | some/many are supposed to fail, some aren't |
| 01:31.31 | brlcad | it basically probes your environment to figure out what it looks like |
| 01:32.10 | brlcad | "does this look like cygwin? .. no. does the compiler work? .. yes. .. etc" |
| 01:32.29 | brlcad | hundreds/thousands of tests |
| 01:32.31 | Mike111 | It also lists that will build the tcl, tk and itcl/itk libraries although I've installed tcl8.4 and tcl8.5, tk8.4 and tk8.5 and itcl |
| 01:32.43 | brlcad | separate issue, one at a time :) |
| 01:32.51 | brlcad | probably because of itcl |
| 01:33.03 | brlcad | you can't build itcl without also building tcl/tk |
| 01:33.17 | brlcad | as itcl uses (uninstalled) private tcl/tk sources |
| 01:33.29 | Mike111 | these are the packages I've installed: |
| 01:33.30 | Mike111 | autoconf |
| 01:33.30 | Mike111 | bison |
| 01:33.30 | Mike111 | byacc |
| 01:33.31 | Mike111 | flex |
| 01:33.31 | Mike111 | fop |
| 01:33.31 | Mike111 | freeglut3-dev |
| 01:33.33 | Mike111 | itcl3-dev |
| 01:33.35 | Mike111 | jamvm |
| 01:33.37 | Mike111 | libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 01:33.39 | Mike111 | libglu1-mesa-dev |
| 01:33.41 | Mike111 | libncurses5-dev |
| 01:33.43 | Mike111 | libpng-12 |
| 01:33.45 | Mike111 | libstdc++5 |
| 01:33.47 | Mike111 | libtnt-dev |
| 01:33.49 | Mike111 | libtool |
| 01:33.51 | Mike111 | libx11-dev |
| 01:33.55 | Mike111 | libxi-dev |
| 01:33.57 | Mike111 | libxslt1-dev |
| 01:33.59 | Mike111 | libxt-dev |
| 01:34.01 | brlcad | way too much information |
| 01:34.01 | Mike111 | linux-headers-2.6.26-1-all-i386 |
| 01:34.03 | Mike111 | tcl8.4-dev |
| 01:34.05 | Mike111 | tcl8.5 |
| 01:34.07 | Mike111 | tcl8.5-dev |
| 01:34.09 | Mike111 | tk8.4-dev |
| 01:34.11 | Mike111 | tk8.5 |
| 01:34.13 | Mike111 | tk8.5-dev |
| 01:34.15 | Mike111 | xorg-dev |
| 01:34.17 | Mike111 | xserver-xorg-core |
| 01:34.35 | brlcad | and way too much for a channel paste |
| 01:35.36 | brlcad | so next step since everything looks right is to figure out what the *exact* compile line looks like |
| 01:35.54 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.08 | Mike111 | ok |
| 01:36.09 | brlcad | run make and make sure it fails with the symbol error |
| 01:36.31 | Mike111 | looks like the same error |
| 01:37.02 | Mike111 | symbol error you mean the undefined reference (like `X24_close_existing')? |
| 01:37.29 | brlcad | yes |
| 01:37.43 | brlcad | make LIBTOOL=../../libtool |
| 01:37.47 | brlcad | pastebin that output |
| 01:38.47 | Mike111 | how do I pastebin? |
| 01:39.31 | brlcad | pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 01:39.57 | brlcad | ~pastebin |
| 01:39.58 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 01:41.10 | Mike111 | so I just paste the output into that empty box and you can then view it by clicking my nickname on the left side pane? |
| 01:41.26 | brlcad | you put it into the box, then provide the URL |
| 01:43.38 | Mike111 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m5509c52f |
| 01:44.36 | brlcad | that was what command? |
| 01:46.37 | Mike111 | make LIBTOOL=../../libtool |
| 01:46.52 | Mike111 | in src/bwish |
| 01:47.12 | brlcad | okay, bah |
| 01:47.24 | brlcad | make LIBTOOL=../../libtool LIBTOOLFLAGS= |
| 01:49.05 | Mike111 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7d54a75f |
| 01:50.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34502 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (495 files in 140 dirs): merge trunk to STABLE from r34151 through HEAD r34501 for release 7.14.8 |
| 01:52.10 | brlcad | Mike111: nm /home/mike/app/brl_cad/brlcad-7.14.6/src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so | grep X24_open_existing |
| 01:53.45 | Mike111 | returns nothing |
| 01:54.08 | brlcad | o.O really |
| 01:54.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34503 10/brlcad/tags/rel-7-14-8/: tagging release 7.14.8, now with more flavor. |
| 01:55.30 | starseeker | more taste, less filling! |
| 01:55.33 | brlcad | pastebin output: grep IF_ ../libfb/Makefile |
| 01:56.43 | Mike111 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m364ef031 |
| 01:57.17 | brlcad | finds it exceptionally humorous that it's taking about 30 minutes per file to compile on this thing |
| 01:58.05 | starseeker | you're building it on a router? |
| 01:58.25 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 01:58.38 | *** part/#brlcad alvaro1 (n=alvaro@190.77.167.45) | |
| 01:58.40 | brlcad | Mike111: grep open_existing ../libfb/*.c |
| 02:00.02 | Mike111 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m63fe0734 |
| 02:00.11 | brlcad | starseeker: on one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 |
| 02:00.37 | brlcad | running debian, was going to try to reproduce Mike111's problem.. but it'll be a couple days before it gets to his error :) |
| 02:01.19 | brlcad | Mike111: huh, that's really pretty odd |
| 02:01.29 | brlcad | the files are all right, the routine is there, but it's not in the lib |
| 02:01.32 | brlcad | cd ../libfb |
| 02:01.35 | brlcad | rm libfb.la |
| 02:01.38 | brlcad | make |
| 02:01.41 | brlcad | pastebin the output |
| 02:02.39 | Mike111 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m3bfa7b63 |
| 02:03.49 | brlcad | grep -A8 '^libfb_la_CFLAGS' Makefile |
| 02:04.49 | brlcad | can just paste it here |
| 02:05.20 | Mike111 | libfb_la_CFLAGS = \ |
| 02:05.20 | Mike111 | -DIF_REMOTE \ |
| 02:05.20 | Mike111 | -DIF_AB \ |
| 02:05.21 | Mike111 | ${GL_CFLAGS} \ |
| 02:05.21 | Mike111 | $(IF_X_CFLAGS) \ |
| 02:05.21 | Mike111 | $(IF_TK_CFLAGS) \ |
| 02:05.23 | Mike111 | $(IF_OGL_CFLAGS) \ |
| 02:05.25 | Mike111 | $(IF_WGL_CFLAGS) \ |
| 02:05.27 | Mike111 | ${TCL_CPPFLAGS} |
| 02:05.34 | brlcad | cat libfb_la-if_X24.lo |
| 02:06.17 | Mike111 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m34ac6a09 |
| 02:06.29 | brlcad | nm .libs/libfb_la-if_X24.o | grep open_existing |
| 02:07.14 | Mike111 | nothing |
| 02:08.30 | brlcad | pastebin your if_X24.c file |
| 02:12.21 | starseeker | tries to figure out why all of a sudden the -S option on coil is giving invalid pipes... |
| 02:12.23 | brlcad | going to have to pick up on this later, out of time now |
| 02:12.41 | brlcad | starseeker: dunno but .. BUGS! :) |
| 02:14.02 | Mike111 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m27d9c9f2 |
| 02:14.02 | brlcad | is intently being more attentive about documenting issues and ideas as they come up |
| 02:14.24 | starseeker | ok, looks like I probably won't squash it tonight |
| 02:14.43 | starseeker | is more disturbed that it suddenly broke without (apparently) anything in coil changing... |
| 02:15.21 | brlcad | Mike111: yeah, that file looks fine .. so this is basically off in truely bizzaro land without some more interactive time |
| 02:15.47 | Mike111 | that's good news ;) |
| 02:15.49 | brlcad | Mike111: best solution is to await the results of my build here to see if I can at least reproduce it |
| 02:16.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34504 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: Note apparent breakage of coil -S option. |
| 02:16.19 | brlcad | try: rm libfb_la-if_X24.lo && make && nm .libs/libfb_la-if_X24.o | grep open_existing |
| 02:16.58 | brlcad | pastebin the whole output |
| 02:18.26 | Mike111 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m1f9caa5a |
| 02:18.47 | brlcad | ! |
| 02:19.00 | brlcad | wtf .. okay, so the first time through, they weren't there and now they are.... |
| 02:19.29 | brlcad | looks like this is not a clean build, like you first compiled through with different configure options or make options |
| 02:19.36 | brlcad | either way, it's there now |
| 02:19.39 | brlcad | cd ../bwish |
| 02:19.39 | brlcad | make |
| 02:19.43 | brlcad | should link |
| 02:20.08 | Mike111 | no errors now : |
| 02:20.10 | Mike111 | :) |
| 02:20.20 | brlcad | slaps Mike111 around a bit for unclean build :) |
| 02:20.27 | brlcad | cd ../.. |
| 02:20.27 | brlcad | make |
| 02:20.33 | brlcad | see if it complete |
| 02:21.03 | brlcad | if it does not: make distclean && sh autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-all && make |
| 02:21.12 | Mike111 | no sure what you mean by an unclean build, but yesterday I've removed configure, configure.stat and vonfigure.cache, ran autogen.sh and then configure and make |
| 02:21.31 | brlcad | that sounds probably unclean |
| 02:21.55 | starseeker | 's first rule in situation like this - clean checkout :-) |
| 02:21.57 | brlcad | you had object files in there for a different build configuration |
| 02:23.05 | Mike111 | wouldn't removing configure, config.{stat,cache} and running autogen.sh sort of start from scratch? |
| 02:23.32 | brlcad | nope |
| 02:24.16 | brlcad | "make distclean" is "close" to starting from scratch but even that isn't exactly the same |
| 02:24.23 | Mike111 | well, that was an advice I got on the channel, but nevermind. |
| 02:24.40 | brlcad | it many situations, that'll work, but it's just not the same and in this case was the problem |
| 02:25.16 | brlcad | suspect you ran configure earlier and you didn't have libX11 or libXi ? |
| 02:25.26 | Mike111 | is there something more extensive than make distclean, that is make it an absolute `clean' build? |
| 02:25.30 | brlcad | or at least it didn't detect it |
| 02:25.57 | brlcad | sure, check out the sources from the repository or unpack them from a source distribution tarball |
| 02:26.05 | brlcad | that's about as "clean" as it gets ;) |
| 02:26.24 | brlcad | from repository is the cleanest |
| 02:26.38 | brlcad | from a source tarball, after running make distclean |
| 02:26.51 | brlcad | depends where in the build pipeline you want to end up |
| 02:27.10 | Mike111 | so basically I need to remove the currently installed directories, download the source again and install it? |
| 02:27.15 | brlcad | patiently waits for "sh autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-all --enable-optimized --prefix=/usr/brlcad/rel-7.14.8 && make distcheck && make && make install && make benchmark && make test" to complete |
| 02:27.36 | Mike111 | I refer to using a repository |
| 02:27.38 | brlcad | before posting up a new source tarball |
| 02:27.53 | brlcad | then yeah, just checking out again is the best way to go |
| 02:28.18 | Mike111 | ok, I'll try building it now |
| 02:28.28 | brlcad | please do post up a follow-up to your thread posting if it works so others are aware |
| 02:28.42 | brlcad | if not, try the distclean rebuild |
| 02:29.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Grandia 07http://brlcad.org * r1439 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Third-party Projects */ |
| 02:29.29 | Mike111 | just confirming, so now I need to run ./configure followed by make? |
| 02:29.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Grandia 07http://brlcad.org * r1440 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Third-party Projects */ |
| 02:31.16 | starseeker | Mike111: yes |
| 02:32.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Grandia]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
| 02:33.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1441 10/wiki/Main_Page: Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Grandia|Grandia]] ([[User talk:Grandia|Talk]]); changed back to last version by [[User:Sean|Sean]] |
| 02:36.14 | Mike111 | how long does make run for? |
| 02:36.28 | starseeker | depends on system |
| 02:36.42 | starseeker | 20, 30 minutes or more sometimes |
| 02:37.20 | Mike111 | in the meantime, maybe you could help me with another issue |
| 02:39.03 | brlcad | that's 20-30 minutes per file if you're compiling on an XScale ;) |
| 02:39.33 | Mike111 | how do I create a solid which is made of smoothly connected cross sections, where the cross sections are defined by polynomials (generated in another application) |
| 02:39.34 | brlcad | fastest I've seen is 2 minutes, average on modern desktop is around 10-20 min |
| 02:40.23 | brlcad | sounds like a great question for starseeker |
| 02:40.31 | brlcad | alas, I'm spent and gotta run, ttyl |
| 02:40.46 | Mike111 | tnx for your help brlcad :) |
| 02:40.48 | brlcad | depending on the polynomial, entirely doable |
| 02:40.52 | brlcad | sure, np |
| 02:41.01 | Mike111 | I'll post a followup on the make |
| 02:41.20 | brlcad | thx |
| 02:41.34 | starseeker | Mike111: primitives in BRL-CAD are described as implicits |
| 02:41.47 | starseeker | so your polynomials have to be expressible as a surface of a primitive |
| 02:42.32 | Mike111 | the polynomials define only a 2-D cross section (one poly. for upper surface and one for lower surface) |
| 02:42.33 | starseeker | then you constrain the intersection points of multiple primitives at the intersection points to be "smooth" via forcing derivatives to be the same at intersection points |
| 02:42.58 | starseeker | so... you want to extrude the 2-D cross sections? |
| 02:43.33 | Mike111 | extrude, as I understand it, is simply copying the same cross section along an axis |
| 02:43.43 | starseeker | right |
| 02:43.55 | Mike111 | I want the surface to smoothly blend from one cross section to another |
| 02:43.55 | starseeker | the more general case is sweep, but that's not a primitive we have yet |
| 02:44.30 | starseeker | so you have a series of 2D sketches, and you want a "smooth" surface that connects one sketch to the next? |
| 02:44.37 | Mike111 | right |
| 02:44.55 | starseeker | erm. sounds like an application of fillets or some such. |
| 02:45.17 | starseeker | I don't think we have anything that can do what you're thinking right now |
| 02:45.44 | Mike111 | :( |
| 02:46.02 | starseeker | is there an example graphic online somewhere of a similar shape? |
| 02:46.08 | starseeker | easier to tell from that |
| 02:47.07 | Mike111 | say for example a wing, which has one cross section (airfoil) at the tip and another airfoil at the root (where it connects to the hull) |
| 02:47.10 | starseeker | wonders WHY the compile on the XScale but is sorta afraid to ask... |
| 02:47.24 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:48.47 | starseeker | in that case, I would use rpc or rhc primitives for sections of the leading edge of the wing |
| 02:48.58 | starseeker | an epa or ehy primitive to define the tip |
| 02:49.30 | starseeker | and more shallow rpc primitives to define the middle surface of the wing, aligning them with the edge primitives |
| 02:49.52 | starseeker | to ensure smoothness, you'd have to do some derivative constraints |
| 02:50.35 | starseeker | actually, for a wing edge you might do better with a tec primitive, come to think of it |
| 02:51.02 | starseeker | sees if he can make a quick mockup example |
| 02:59.46 | starseeker | Mike111: OK, take a look at this: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/wingshape.png |
| 03:00.02 | starseeker | it's obviously not a true wing, but it does suggest how you might get started |
| 03:00.10 | starseeker | that uses two primitives |
| 03:01.12 | starseeker | for a true airfoil shape you'd want something more flexible (like NURBS, which we're working on) but you could actually get a fairly decent looking wing out of combinations of those primitives |
| 03:02.10 | Mike111 | are the cross section ellipses? |
| 03:02.15 | starseeker | yes |
| 03:02.48 | Mike111 | I need to use airfoil shapes |
| 03:03.13 | starseeker | can you show me an example cross section? |
| 03:03.29 | Mike111 | sure, can you hold for a moment? |
| 03:03.33 | starseeker | yes |
| 03:06.11 | starseeker | are you thinking along these lines? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PSU-90-125.PNG |
| 03:06.40 | Mike111 | I've got a PNG file. how can I send it to you? |
| 03:06.56 | starseeker | um. can you put it up on the brlcad wiki? |
| 03:07.21 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 03:07.58 | Mike111 | it looks similiar to the wikipedia link |
| 03:08.01 | starseeker | Mike111: how exact does your airfoil shape have to be? |
| 03:09.03 | starseeker | the airfoil can be approximated with a boolean combination of tec and ehy primitives, but it probably wouldn't be "exactly" the airfoil cross section. |
| 03:09.09 | Mike111 | pretty accurate. the whole purpose if to test some specific shapes so it's not just for an illustration purpose |
| 03:09.34 | starseeker | ok. yeah, that sounds like an application where nurbs surfaces would be required |
| 03:10.14 | starseeker | ponders the possibility of a proc-db that does wing shapes using tec/ehy... hmm... |
| 03:10.36 | starseeker | Mike111: for exact, continuous and complex surfaces of that sort primitives usually aren't what's needed |
| 03:11.12 | starseeker | (one of the reasons the automobile has modeled with NURBS for so long, for example - car body exteriors don't map well to geometric primitives) |
| 03:11.44 | Mike111 | that makes sense. what can we do? |
| 03:12.01 | starseeker | we're working on getting raytracing of NURBS working in BRL-CAD now |
| 03:12.26 | Mike111 | I read in volume III there a b/w extrude feature for arbitrary shapes |
| 03:12.38 | starseeker | yes, but that's just an extrusion |
| 03:13.04 | starseeker | the wing shape is curved in all three dimensions |
| 03:13.47 | Mike111 | let say in a simpler case, where I just want to extrude along a path (without cross section changes) |
| 03:14.07 | starseeker | for that, you can define a 2D sketch and extrude it |
| 03:14.43 | Mike111 | can I extrude along a curved path? |
| 03:14.52 | starseeker | not currently |
| 03:14.56 | starseeker | that would be sweep |
| 03:15.40 | Mike111 | when do u expect the nurbs feature to be available? |
| 03:16.00 | starseeker | hard to say. editing support will follow raytracing |
| 03:17.38 | Mike111 | do u another opensource application which can do this now? |
| 03:17.45 | Mike111 | do u know another opensource application which can do this now? |
| 03:18.13 | starseeker | If you really need to work with nurbs, you might take a look at Ayam: http://ayam.sourceforge.net/ - they're not a CAD application though, so I don't think you get things like solidity |
| 03:19.14 | Mike111 | I need to export the wing as an IGES file (or DXF etc.) |
| 03:19.24 | Mike111 | can I use ayam and import into brlcad? |
| 03:19.44 | starseeker | if you export as dxf, we import dxf |
| 03:19.54 | starseeker | remember though, that's not a format that supports nurbs |
| 03:20.09 | Mike111 | what about IGES? |
| 03:20.41 | starseeker | I believe it has some nurbs support, but our convertor uses our old nurbs structures currently. (Plus, I doubt Ayam exports IGES) |
| 03:21.03 | Mike111 | so what can I do? |
| 03:21.38 | Mike111 | the ayam webpage shows: File formats (r/w): RIB, DXF, 3DM, 3DMF, OBJ, X3D. |
| 03:22.10 | starseeker | If you want to help push NURBS in support in BRL-CAD, you could take a look at the IGES convertor and see about getting it to export OpenNURBS data structures instead of what it currently supplies. |
| 03:22.29 | starseeker | For immediate, fully open source editing of NURBS as NURBS... |
| 03:22.41 | starseeker | let me check something... |
| 03:25.23 | starseeker | you might want to take a look a gCAD3D, but it's not clear to me if they are open source or not |
| 03:26.51 | starseeker | apparently they can open the OpenMoko CAD files, but I can't say what other abilities it may have |
| 03:29.17 | Mike111 | can I smoothly connect cross sections in brlcad, for example by creating many adjacent ones? |
| 03:29.57 | starseeker | yes, if you force the derivatives at the intersecting points to be equal |
| 03:30.11 | Mike111 | how do I do that? |
| 03:30.15 | starseeker | it's not easy |
| 03:30.18 | starseeker | currently |
| 03:30.41 | starseeker | work is going on on a libpc constraint library that would help support things like that, but it's (again) a feature in development |
| 03:31.00 | starseeker | if you really want to have a go at it, you can see how the tire tool alligns elliptical tori |
| 03:31.29 | starseeker | similar problems would need to be solved for the primitives used to make up the wing shapes |
| 03:31.55 | starseeker | it's an interesting problem, but I'm dubious it could be good enough for what you're after |
| 03:32.28 | Mike111 | I can't see a tire command in the command reference (Vol. II) |
| 03:32.36 | starseeker | it's new |
| 03:33.03 | starseeker | the source is in brlcad/src/libged/tire.c |
| 03:36.10 | Mike111 | help tire gives `no help found for tire' but that's on 7.10.4 |
| 03:38.53 | starseeker | ah, yes |
| 03:38.57 | starseeker | It appeared later |
| 03:39.56 | starseeker | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/tire.c?revision=34402&view=markup |
| 03:41.51 | starseeker | the difficulty with something like an airfoil is that the curvature between each "maximum" point is quite subtle and it may very well be that for your purposes our primitives currently just don't have the expressive power |
| 03:42.35 | starseeker | I might be able to get "close" to an airfoil shape with a LOT of work on a proc-db, but I wouldn't presume to think it was actually aerodynamically valid |
| 03:42.58 | Mike111 | well, I hope brlcad will soon have the nurbs feature |
| 03:43.16 | starseeker | it's our top development priority |
| 03:43.25 | starseeker | or one of them |
| 03:43.49 | starseeker | keep an eye on us :-) |
| 03:44.03 | Mike111 | I guess I need to find another interim solution until this feature is added |
| 03:44.05 | Mike111 | will do :) |
| 03:47.30 | starseeker | makes a note to check coil behavior before and after the fix to pipe.c incrementing... |
| 03:47.38 | starseeker | and heads outta here |
| 03:47.48 | Mike111 | tnx for your help starseeker |
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| 21:42.35 | archivist | welcome back |
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| 22:24.28 | starseeker | hmm, this is interesting for airfoil (wing) information: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930090976_1993090976.pdf |
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| 22:44.46 | starseeker | xfoil is GPL, but might have some useful info on geometric inputs expected for this sort of design |
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| 00:48.38 | Mike111 | hi all |
| 00:51.35 | Mike111 | I need to generate a NURBS solid (which I understand brlcad currently doesn't support) and export it in IGES format. Ayam can create does NURBS but exports only RIB, DXF, 3DM, 3DMF, OBJ, X3D. Any ideas how convert the Ayam solid into IGES?. |
| 00:59.24 | ``Erik | um, if I understand correctly, the SVN version of BRL-CAD does actaully support creation, loading and saving of nurbs... there are issues with raytracing at the moment |
| 00:59.53 | ``Erik | but this subject is more the turf of people who are online in the morning GMT-5 |
| 01:00.53 | Ralith | does the IGES exporter handle them? |
| 01:01.01 | ``Erik | I doubt it |
| 01:01.28 | ``Erik | mmmm molten boron |
| 01:01.32 | ``Erik | futurama++ |
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| 01:28.26 | Mike111 | hi Erik. |
| 01:28.48 | Mike111 | can I create a NURBS surface which smoothly blends between two 2D cross-sections? |
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| 01:47.11 | starseeker | ~log |
| 01:47.11 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, log is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowhead/ |
| 01:49.28 | starseeker | uh, shouldn't that be http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ ? |
| 01:52.09 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm wondering if we're going to have to set up a way to store the bounding box trees for nurbs surfaces once generated - it may be that creating them "on the fly" will be almost as bad as tesselating before raytracing |
| 01:54.00 | Mike111 | hi starseeker. |
| 01:54.23 | Mike111 | I think the feature I'm looking for is the Ayam Birail2 object: http://ayam.sourceforge.net/features.html |
| 02:00.16 | starseeker | Mike111: heh, brlcad was just mentioning birails for that application |
| 02:00.32 | starseeker | feel like implementing a birails primitive? |
| 02:00.54 | Mike111 | not sure I can ;) |
| 02:01.45 | starseeker | Well, the ayam source code license is compatible with BRL-CAD's iirc, so you could use some of the logic there |
| 02:02.07 | starseeker | src/librt/primitives/ holds our current primitives |
| 02:02.13 | ``Erik | I want a birail prim :( |
| 02:02.14 | starseeker | hyp and revolve are recent work |
| 02:05.33 | ``Erik | tell ya what, I can't afford the time to do it, but the birail is important enough to me that I'll totally mentor/help anyone who does that |
| 02:06.28 | ``Erik | want my damn car back. Want my house fixed. |
| 02:07.36 | ``Erik | dane cook... isn't actually funny... it's not good |
| 02:09.07 | Mike111 | I've noticed that configure installs a NURBS library. what is it used for then? |
| 02:12.01 | ``Erik | that's current development |
| 02:12.33 | ``Erik | we hope to have solid NURBS capabilties in the very near future, but we're ... still working on it :) |
| 02:13.23 | Mike111 | that will be good |
| 02:17.44 | Mike111 | in the meantime, can brlcad import nurbs from Ayam? |
| 02:17.58 | Mike111 | I understand the DXF format does not support nurbs |
| 02:18.33 | ``Erik | I think the only nurb import is STEP, and it's ... not 100% |
| 02:19.11 | ``Erik | like I said before, the people who know that aren't on right now, they'll probably be around in about 10 hours |
| 02:20.12 | starseeker | IGES is the only working nurbs import |
| 02:20.22 | starseeker | STEP is being worked currently |
| 02:20.44 | starseeker | Or there's the 3dm (Rhino) to g conversion if you happen to have Rhino |
| 02:21.01 | starseeker | IGES produces old (non openNURBS) nurbs right now |
| 02:21.21 | starseeker | the STEP conversion will create openNURBS nurbs, as does the 3dm-g convertor |
| 02:21.42 | Mike111 | is `3dm-g' the application name> |
| 02:21.45 | ``Erik | I thought the iges importer require the tesseleation phase |
| 02:21.48 | starseeker | yes |
| 02:21.56 | starseeker | ``Erik: I don't think so... |
| 02:22.25 | starseeker | If you have access to Rhino, you can model in that and then use 3dm-g to get a .g file |
| 02:22.36 | starseeker | Doubt that will help with Ayam though |
| 02:22.40 | Mike111 | is that an opensource? |
| 02:22.46 | starseeker | Rhino? nope |
| 02:23.02 | Mike111 | I prefer to rely on opensource only |
| 02:23.12 | ``Erik | rhino is only $200, not $20,000 though :) |
| 02:23.39 | starseeker | the Rhino guys are the ones who did openNURBS |
| 02:24.26 | starseeker | (so the 3dm-g "conversion" doesn't have to do any hard work on the NURBS data structures) ;-) |
| 02:27.31 | starseeker | has wondered if it might be possible to convince the Rhino/openNURBS guys to add their *->openNURBS conversion logic to the lib... |
| 02:27.44 | starseeker | probably not though |
| 02:28.30 | starseeker | Mike111: the basic truth is that there isn't a complete open source NURBS solution that I know of right now. |
| 02:28.47 | starseeker | One thing about Ayam - IIRC it uses Tk for its interface, just like MGED/Archer |
| 02:29.09 | starseeker | so you could take a look at their editing support and see how it maps to openNURBS |
| 02:29.35 | Mike111 | Ayam probably does all I need (plus supports scripting). The problem is getting the IGES file. |
| 02:36.02 | starseeker | Ayam says it supports 3dm export |
| 02:36.18 | starseeker | you MIGHT be able to try exporting to 3dm and see if 3dm-g works |
| 02:36.38 | Mike111 | 3dm-g is rhino? |
| 02:36.45 | starseeker | 3dm is rhino |
| 02:37.27 | starseeker | remember though, even if you get a .g file, we can't EXPORT openNURBS to IGES any more than we can import them |
| 02:38.13 | starseeker | so at the very least you'd have to update the IGES export routine to work with the openNURBS data structures |
| 02:39.15 | starseeker | makes a note to see what 3dm-g does with Ayam 3dm exports |
| 02:42.15 | Mike111 | what's the difference between standard nurbs and opennurbs? |
| 03:40.23 | yukonbob | hello cadheads |
| 03:40.28 | brlcad | starseeker: cross that bridge when we're actually stepping on it, but not unthinkable to store the bb's in some in-memory structure .. could even possibly persist them but even tessellation needs to be "interactive" |
| 03:41.24 | brlcad | Mike111: we can import nurbs through our iges importer, or through our 3dm importer, but you can't do much more than render them |
| 03:42.52 | brlcad | ``Erik: iges importer has 3 different import modes, one being nurbs, another being 2D nmg, and another for 3d nmg |
| 03:44.27 | brlcad | Mike111: the 3dm file format is from the same guys that develop rhino, but 3dm-g is *our* importer for the 3dm format (and doesn't require rhino) |
| 03:45.33 | Mike111 | can I use brlcad to convert 3dm to IGES? |
| 03:45.51 | brlcad | Mike111: openNURBS is just the name of the library |
| 03:45.59 | brlcad | no you cannot |
| 03:46.02 | brlcad | at least not yet |
| 03:46.21 | brlcad | because 3dm will import as 'new nurbs' objects, for which there is no iges export support yet |
| 03:47.15 | brlcad | it really wouldn't be too much work to get it working, but you'd have to work on that code |
| 03:47.28 | brlcad | or someone would have to, we're not hitting up the converters until a little later |
| 03:47.35 | Mike111 | but there is technically IGES supports NURBS, that is, it is just an issue of adding the nurbs capability? |
| 03:47.49 | Mike111 | but technically IGES supports NURBS, that is, it is just an issue of adding the nurbs capability? |
| 03:47.51 | brlcad | right |
| 03:47.58 | brlcad | nurbs support on export specifically |
| 03:48.23 | brlcad | would have to add that logic to our iges exporter to export our nurbs geometry as iges nurbs |
| 03:48.36 | brlcad | really probably *very* simple |
| 03:48.45 | brlcad | probably a 1-1 mapping |
| 03:48.50 | Mike111 | so at the moment there's Ayam which does nurbs but not IGES and brlcad does IGES but not nurbs |
| 03:48.56 | Mike111 | :( |
| 03:48.58 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:49.02 | Ralith | :| |
| 03:49.03 | brlcad | something like that |
| 03:49.23 | brlcad | we sort of do nurbs, just no export support :) |
| 03:50.27 | Mike111 | can I create a nurbs surface in brlcad? |
| 03:50.44 | Mike111 | I understand it is work in progress |
| 03:51.03 | brlcad | not interactively via the gui |
| 03:51.25 | brlcad | only via import (iges/3dm) or programmatically via code |
| 03:51.32 | Mike111 | I plan to do via a script |
| 03:52.43 | brlcad | someone would have to add scripting support to our existing new nurbs implementation (probably a days work) for that to work |
| 03:52.58 | brlcad | as the programmatic access is presently only via C |
| 03:53.32 | Mike111 | I don't code in C or C++ so I'm afraid I can't help you there |
| 03:54.01 | brlcad | nods |
| 03:54.21 | brlcad | it's really not much to add the support, just have to catch a dev with a few hours of free time |
| 03:54.25 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.16 | Mike111 | specifically, I want to create a surface which smoothly blends 2-D cross-sections. Is this viable in brlcad? |
| 03:55.24 | Mike111 | I understand from starseeker it is not |
| 03:55.39 | brlcad | you need a birail primitive for that, which is on our ideas page but not being worked on yet |
| 03:56.11 | brlcad | or at a minimum, you need sweep support, which is being worked on this summer |
| 03:56.29 | brlcad | though that will only do very specific/simple blends |
| 03:56.37 | Mike111 | so there are two features missing (for what I need): script support for nurbs and the birail |
| 03:56.46 | brlcad | another possibility for you is to use our waterline primitive |
| 03:56.56 | Mike111 | how flexible will the birail feature? |
| 03:56.58 | brlcad | you define spline contours |
| 03:57.02 | Mike111 | what's that waterline? |
| 03:57.03 | brlcad | those will export to iges too |
| 03:58.22 | brlcad | what we call an 'ars' primitive |
| 03:59.33 | Mike111 | will that blend 2D cross-sections? |
| 03:59.59 | brlcad | yes |
| 04:00.02 | brlcad | slices |
| 04:00.11 | brlcad | the blends will be polygonal though |
| 04:00.18 | brlcad | and depend on your number of slices |
| 04:00.37 | brlcad | i'll see if i can find some examples |
| 04:01.14 | brlcad | here's one, http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/screenshots/t62_mged.jpg.html |
| 04:01.18 | brlcad | that turret is an 'ars' |
| 04:01.42 | brlcad | see how it tessellates them together, you can see each "layer" |
| 04:02.41 | brlcad | and fortunately, there's a great page specifically on the ARS on the wiki |
| 04:02.45 | brlcad | thanks to Ges |
| 04:02.48 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives |
| 04:03.00 | Mike111 | can you make it smoother, that is, use smaller polygons? |
| 04:03.26 | brlcad | sure |
| 04:03.35 | brlcad | read the wiki page, it explains |
| 04:03.46 | brlcad | number of points per polyline will make it smoother |
| 04:04.13 | Mike111 | I'm trying to model a wing, so having these polygons isn't practical |
| 04:04.25 | Mike111 | I need a smooth surface |
| 04:04.44 | brlcad | it will converge to smooth |
| 04:04.48 | brlcad | but I understand |
| 04:04.55 | brlcad | just saying what we have ;) |
| 04:06.20 | Mike111 | the 2D sections (airfoils) are generated by another application and available as coordinates |
| 04:06.26 | Mike111 | how can I import them into brlcad? |
| 04:09.12 | brlcad | you mean as an ars? |
| 04:11.00 | brlcad | if so, read the wiki page -- it explains all and gives an example (and mged is fully scriptable) |
| 04:11.12 | Mike111 | I have several 2D cross-sections, defined by plain ascii files (coordinates). how do I create in brlcad a smooth surface connecting them? |
| 04:13.20 | brlcad | have you been missing everything I've been saying? :) |
| 04:14.15 | Mike111 | the ars webpage mentions I need to provide the coordinates of all points of the interior polygons. |
| 04:15.36 | brlcad | you're either using our ars (i.e. faceted and non-smooth), or our dsp (quantized, but smoothable), or manually via polygons (also smoothable), or via an extruded 2D sketch (smooth surface but only linear uniform extrusions), or via nurbs (incomplete), or via birail (non-existent) ;) |
| 04:16.05 | Mike111 | I'm referring to the ars |
| 04:16.15 | brlcad | yes, the "interior points" are basically the 2d coordinates |
| 04:16.38 | Mike111 | that's ok for something like that twisted cube but seems impractical for something like a wing |
| 04:16.40 | brlcad | "The parameters to the above ars command can be dissected as" ... |
| 04:17.16 | brlcad | that's only because it's using 4 points per waterline, the first parameter |
| 04:17.37 | brlcad | you'd want dozens or hundreds of points to smooth it out |
| 04:17.54 | brlcad | the tank turret is around dozens |
| 04:18.06 | Mike111 | and I'll need to provide the coordinates for each of these, right? |
| 04:18.24 | brlcad | I believe so |
| 04:19.32 | Mike111 | I need to check if that is practical with my application |
| 04:19.37 | brlcad | nods |
| 04:21.31 | brlcad | ttyl! |
| 04:23.14 | Mike111 | thanks for your help brlcad, I'll look into ars later. need to go now |
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| 05:56.52 | starseeker | winces at the memory of his own run-in with ars |
| 05:58.18 | starseeker | Ayam seems to export something 3dm-g recognizes as a 3dm file, but my initial stab didn't get anything it felt like importing to the .g |
| 05:58.22 | starseeker | probably did it in Ayam wrong |
| 06:01.17 | starseeker | hadn't considered using dsp - boy would that be a strange use of it |
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| 06:56.08 | Mike111 | is there help available on dsp? it's not in volume II (added lately?) |
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| 10:49.14 | d-lo | mernin all! |
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| 11:48.45 | ``Erik | shush, you |
| 11:52.05 | ``Erik | heh, it's been so long since I've updated the fbsd port of BRL-CAD that pedro is lookin gto roll a copy |
| 11:52.28 | brlcad | so let 'em, nice to share the workload ;) |
| 11:52.46 | ``Erik | well, |
| 11:52.58 | ``Erik | the tkhtml issue really screws things over in a big way for that |
| 11:53.28 | ``Erik | and he wasn't in the loop, so this latest release is going to surprise him |
| 11:54.09 | ``Erik | will do it today |
| 11:54.14 | ``Erik | oh, are you in the office right now? |
| 11:54.30 | ``Erik | brlcad? |
| 11:54.36 | brlcad | not yet |
| 11:54.43 | brlcad | eta hour |
| 11:55.01 | ``Erik | ok, then I'll call. the work is continuing on my front door area, some paint has been laid down, but it's not done yet :/ |
| 11:55.12 | ``Erik | I need to find my usb/miniusb cable to get some pics off my camera :/ |
| 11:55.45 | ``Erik | heh, gonna be out today for house work, and if mondays predictions are right, out tomorrow to return the rental and get my car back... |
| 11:56.15 | ``Erik | <-- wonders how much he's pissing off the bc with this 'other crap' |
| 11:59.56 | ``Erik | neat, my phone locked up |
| 12:03.15 | d-lo | ``Erik: I asked her and she said "Who's Eric?" ;) |
| 12:03.31 | d-lo | and then I said "Erik, not Eric" |
| 12:03.47 | d-lo | and she said "oh him. Yeah, its cool." |
| 12:03.53 | d-lo | so no worries. |
| 12:04.04 | ``Erik | hah |
| 12:04.24 | ``Erik | she doesn't get in until 8:30, though? I just got off the phone with admin assist |
| 12:05.26 | d-lo | TBH, if you are using time you have earned... then don't think twice about it. |
| 12:05.31 | ``Erik | tell ya what, though, this is pissing me off. it was supposed to be a one day job, this is day #3 without completion and he's figuring on doing some today, then wrapping it up saturday... |
| 12:05.46 | d-lo | What's he charge an hour? |
| 12:05.54 | ``Erik | he's predicting time schedules as bad as... as... a software developer |
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| 12:06.03 | d-lo | HAH! |
| 12:06.05 | ``Erik | he's charging per project, not hour |
| 12:06.14 | ``Erik | so he's jacking himself more than anything |
| 12:06.14 | d-lo | well thats good at least. |
| 12:07.17 | ``Erik | I just need to make sure I still have enough leave saved up to take two weeks around early july O.o |
| 12:07.19 | d-lo | Lawn chair + a few stiff drinks + wow on laptop + watching him work = Fun, if nothing else. ;) |
| 12:08.09 | ``Erik | heh, 'cept I've been inside, trying to clean things up ... or outside giving him an extra pair of hands :) no wow, no watching, ... but yeah, a few stiff drinks ;> |
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| 12:09.48 | ``Erik | that and learning new songs on my guitar O.o BOC - the reaper and buddy holly - everyday |
| 12:10.37 | d-lo | LOL, every time I hear the BOC - Reaper, I can't help but start thinking of Cowbell. |
| 12:10.54 | ``Erik | ayup :D |
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| 12:11.20 | ``Erik | that's actually the reason I decided to pick it up |
| 12:12.02 | d-lo | hahahaha. |
| 12:12.16 | d-lo | I am reduced to tears every time I watch that video. |
| 12:12.51 | d-lo | There is just something about Walken.... "Let me tell you something. I gotta feva, and the only cure is more Cowbell." |
| 12:13.04 | ``Erik | indeed |
| 12:13.28 | ``Erik | if I scrap together another band and do a gig, I so want to say "I got a feva!" right before playing that song :D |
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| 15:18.48 | brlcad | howdy roberthl |
| 16:01.14 | roberthl | hi |
| 16:01.26 | roberthl | I am MinuteElectron, btw. |
| 16:01.35 | d-lo | I am Iron Man |
| 16:04.26 | d-lo | Heh, outstanding tutorial: http://www.wikihow.com/Escape-a-Minefield |
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| 20:27.00 | brlcad | roberthl: I figured :) |
| 20:27.11 | brlcad | hence the howdy ;) |
| 20:28.51 | roberthl | ah ;) |
| 20:29.05 | roberthl | how are things? |
| 20:29.13 | brlcad | going well |
| 20:29.15 | roberthl | good |
| 20:29.29 | brlcad | what are you up to? |
| 20:30.09 | roberthl | exams for the next couple of months |
| 20:35.35 | brlcad | fun! |
| 20:35.37 | brlcad | (not) :) |
| 20:35.51 | roberthl | hehe |
| 20:51.53 | Ralith | couple of months? |
| 20:51.54 | Ralith | wow. |
| 20:52.03 | Ralith | just got done with the majority of his |
| 21:21.00 | roberthl | I'm in the UK. |
| 22:31.29 | brlcad | feel free to nominate us for best project, https://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/nominate/?hash=fec98ebc83402b5dd32313ebe5b215d2 ;) |
| 22:39.53 | Ralith | wow, sf's been modernizing |
| 22:47.27 | brlcad | yeah, the design and layout is vast improvement |
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| 00:22.31 | brlcad | starseeker: you happen to have a specific nirt/rt script handy that provokes a root convergence error? |
| 00:23.15 | brlcad | if you get a chance, would like to put that to rest and have a couple things I'd like to check out but need a test case or three |
| 00:49.14 | starseeker | brlcad: do you mean for the eto? |
| 00:49.35 | brlcad | for any that fail to converge |
| 00:49.59 | starseeker | erm. I can probably make one for the default tire - give me a sec |
| 00:55.59 | starseeker | brlcad: does that error message output suppression you added for the nurbs raytracing work for all of them? |
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| 01:07.28 | starseeker | brlcad: this rt script will kick up a healthy bunch on one of the ellipses you get with the default tire command (no tread - just run tire tire) |
| 01:07.31 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/mb9f9cf3 |
| 01:07.40 | starseeker | you can see the lines in the raytrace |
| 01:08.07 | starseeker | I'll be back later if you want me to narrow it down further |
| 01:09.10 | Mike111 | hi all |
| 01:09.53 | Mike111 | is there help available on dsp (can't see it in Vol. II) |
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| 01:50.17 | brlcad | Mike111: it's an advanced primitive, best to ask specific questions on how to use it |
| 01:50.43 | brlcad | you'll need a raw binary data file with unsigned short height values |
| 01:51.00 | Mike111 | what does it do? |
| 01:52.11 | brlcad | it's a height field primitive |
| 01:52.29 | brlcad | a grid of elevation values |
| 01:53.12 | Mike111 | something like an landscape defined by elevations? |
| 01:53.23 | Mike111 | something like a landscape defined by elevations? |
| 01:53.24 | brlcad | I'd use an ARS before using a DSP for your air foil |
| 01:53.28 | brlcad | yes |
| 01:53.59 | brlcad | for an air foil, you'd basically use two aligned dsp's unioned together with smoothed values |
| 01:54.48 | brlcad | but again, not what I'd recommend first |
| 01:54.48 | brlcad | here is a massive data set dsp: http://brlcad.org/tmp/puget01.png |
| 01:56.11 | Mike111 | regarding the ars, as I understand the waterlines all start from the same point? |
| 01:58.11 | brlcad | ? |
| 01:58.37 | brlcad | not really |
| 01:59.16 | brlcad | there is a starting reference point, but from there it's whatever you input |
| 01:59.57 | Mike111 | The webpage says:`In addition to the intermediate polygons a line will be created that begins at the start point, goes through each polygon at its vertex numbered 1, and terminates at the end point. This is repeated for each polygon vertex 2 thru N. The start point, polygons, and end point are each a "waterline"' |
| 02:00.45 | Mike111 | so with that twisted cube, the start point is the center of the top face and the endpoint if center of the bottom face, right? |
| 02:03.09 | brlcad | think of it like this: http://www.dans-hobbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/waterlines.jpg |
| 02:03.36 | brlcad | there are "loops" at each waterline level -- those are the polygons it refers to |
| 02:04.24 | brlcad | like if you sliced an apple, http://www.mathcubed.com/images/sliced_apple.jpg |
| 02:04.40 | brlcad | each polygon is the outline of the apple for that layer |
| 02:05.52 | Mike111 | so each polygon is a 2D slice? |
| 02:06.21 | brlcad | yes |
| 02:07.10 | Mike111 | so if I want to model a wing comprised of airfoil cross-sections, each `polygon' is now an airfoil? |
| 02:07.28 | brlcad | so in http://brlcad.org/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives .. there are four simple slices (layers) |
| 02:07.43 | brlcad | each layer simply has just four points so it's really boxy |
| 02:07.48 | brlcad | add more points and it smooths out |
| 02:07.56 | brlcad | yes |
| 02:08.13 | brlcad | each cross-section would be described by a simple 2d polygon |
| 02:08.39 | Mike111 | but for accurate description of the airfoil I'll need tens of points |
| 02:08.56 | brlcad | probably hundreds |
| 02:09.15 | brlcad | if you have the equations, that part can be automated |
| 02:09.33 | Mike111 | the airfoil is defined by a polynomial, so yes |
| 02:10.09 | Mike111 | I have the coordinates for the airfoil's upper and lower surface (above and below its mean line) in a plain text file |
| 02:17.23 | Mike111 | for the wing model, the start point will be in root airfoil section (say its centre) and the end point is in the tip airfoil section? |
| 02:18.22 | starseeker | brlcad: does that script help any? |
| 02:20.10 | brlcad | trying to get it to run |
| 02:21.24 | brlcad | got it! |
| 02:21.25 | brlcad | thanks! |
| 02:24.12 | starseeker | np |
| 02:43.46 | Mike111 | is there a tutorial for scripting brlcad (besides http://brlcad.org/wiki/SGI_Cube)? |
| 02:47.28 | brlcad | the mged tutorial series covers most of the basic commands, the appendix itemizes the majority of available commands, the quick reference card summarizes the commands (and has another scripting example) |
| 02:48.25 | Mike111 | brlcad uses tcl programming syntax, right? |
| 02:48.28 | brlcad | the cube example covers at least three ways to script mged -- if that's not sufficient, then you're probably lacking something else |
| 02:48.46 | brlcad | no, mged has a tcl interpreter |
| 02:48.59 | brlcad | but you can script mged using almost any language |
| 02:49.05 | brlcad | as it's command-driven |
| 02:49.26 | brlcad | that's specifically what the SGI_Cube explains |
| 02:49.28 | Mike111 | there was an example in Vol.II for writing a loop and it mentioned it's in tcl format |
| 02:50.05 | Mike111 | p.107 |
| 02:50.10 | brlcad | it really sounds like you're not understanding something fundamental -- what do/don't you understand about the SGI_Cube tutorial |
| 02:50.27 | brlcad | yes, and? |
| 02:51.10 | Mike111 | is there any benefit in learning the tcl syntax, that is, will it help in scripting for brlcad? |
| 02:51.13 | brlcad | mged's internal interpreter is tcl, so that example is in tcl -- and the SGI_Cube example is a simple posix shell script, not Tcl |
| 02:51.18 | Mike111 | besides loop, that is |
| 02:52.24 | brlcad | there's benefits to learning most languages, depends what your goal is |
| 02:52.34 | brlcad | is it necessary, no |
| 02:52.37 | brlcad | it it useful, sure |
| 02:53.16 | brlcad | what language(s) do you know? |
| 02:53.22 | Mike111 | for the airfoil, I can either generate all the coordinates in octave and output a plain text file with commands for brlcad |
| 02:53.29 | Mike111 | octave |
| 02:54.02 | brlcad | eh, anything else? |
| 02:55.43 | Mike111 | or I can presumably write a function/procedure for brlcad which will cycles over the airfoil points (instead of creating a text file with hundreds of lines) |
| 02:56.24 | brlcad | it's a means to an end -- it doesn't really matter |
| 02:56.30 | Mike111 | wondering which is better |
| 02:56.34 | brlcad | hundreds/thousands of lines would work just fine |
| 02:56.37 | brlcad | as would a proc |
| 02:57.06 | brlcad | given your background, writing out mged commands to a text file is probably the easiest |
| 02:57.26 | brlcad | in ars ars val1 val2 val3 val4 ....... |
| 02:57.42 | Mike111 | yep, I was thinking something like that |
| 02:58.05 | Mike111 | it's basically a loop which appends text lines to file with printf |
| 02:58.27 | Mike111 | octave uses the C printf syntax |
| 02:59.07 | brlcad | octave's syntax is close to csh/tcsh shell scripting syntax |
| 02:59.20 | brlcad | you might do well to learn/write a tcsh script |
| 02:59.37 | Mike111 | I've done a bit of bash scripting |
| 03:00.12 | brlcad | okay, then that |
| 03:00.44 | brlcad | sgi_cube is a posix/bash/ksh/sh script |
| 03:01.00 | Mike111 | there's no issue on mged side handling an ars with say 200 points per polygon? |
| 03:01.06 | brlcad | you should study/understand it -- it shows three specific ways to issue commands |
| 03:01.13 | brlcad | nope |
| 03:04.45 | Mike111 | ok. thanks for your help brlcad |
| 03:07.46 | brlcad | sure |
| 03:12.48 | starseeker | wonders how workable a tool to generate birail based wings from NACA numbers + wing type (straight, tapered, delta, etc) |
| 03:21.26 | Mike111 | starseeker: NACA is only one of airfoil parameterization methods. common current methods are PARSEC (11 design variables) and Hicks-Henne (sum of basis functions) |
| 03:21.46 | starseeker | Is NACA a subset, or different altogether? |
| 03:21.54 | Mike111 | different |
| 03:22.08 | starseeker | so, not terribly useful for modern wings? |
| 03:22.18 | Mike111 | PARSEC are Hicks-Henne are recent |
| 03:22.48 | Mike111 | Hard to say. I haven't seen many recent studies where people directly used NACA. |
| 03:22.59 | starseeker | hrm |
| 03:23.12 | starseeker | any references available on PARSEC and Hicks-Henne online? |
| 03:23.29 | Mike111 | It will probably be sufficient if brlcad can smoothly blend two arbitrary cross-sections |
| 03:23.42 | Mike111 | the user will need to provide the cross-sections (airfoils) |
| 03:24.19 | starseeker | oh, sure - I'm more curious about the possibility of generating "standard" wing shapes based on some standard specification - be it NACA numbers, PARSEC, what have you |
| 03:25.38 | starseeker | procedural wings, if you prefer |
| 03:26.12 | Mike111 | it can be an issue since there are quite a few methods out there and they're all different |
| 03:26.32 | Mike111 | also, people are experimenting with new methods, like orthogonal polynomials |
| 03:26.38 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:26.45 | starseeker | understood |
| 03:27.05 | starseeker | but for most "standard" wing designs already in use, it's likely they're characterized by some existing method |
| 03:27.24 | starseeker | I need some XXXXXXX wings for commercial plane XXXXXX |
| 03:28.00 | Mike111 | what engineers do is optimze the wing for a performance profile |
| 03:28.19 | Mike111 | cruise speed, altitude, take-off weight etc. |
| 03:28.25 | Mike111 | either wind-tunnel or CFD |
| 03:28.48 | starseeker | once they've optimized it, how do they tell someone else what to build? |
| 03:29.24 | Mike111 | airfoil cross-sections, sweep (backward tilt of the wing), twist of airfoil sections etc. |
| 03:30.18 | starseeker | ok, so airfoil cross sections, sweep (is that an angle, or something more complex?), twist of sections (is that from one cross section to the next?) |
| 03:30.57 | Mike111 | sweep=angle of wing w.r.t to hull, twist=between airfoils |
| 03:31.42 | Mike111 | I hope brlcad will have nurbs capabilities soon (including scripting support) :) |
| 03:32.51 | starseeker | I realize no one specification is going to encompass all the experimental wing designs out there - what I'm after is some sort of "ISO or ANSI wing specification" standard that outlines a way to geometrically describe most standard wing shapes |
| 03:38.09 | starseeker | for example, for tires it would be something like this: http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=36320 |
| 03:47.22 | Mike111 | not sure if this exists for wings |
| 03:58.02 | Mike111 | need to go now. have a good one |
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| 11:37.36 | brlcad | d-lo: so they're already working on migration scripts for the forums |
| 11:37.42 | brlcad | couple weeks |
| 11:38.13 | brlcad | they'll be getting rid of the old forums, the task manager, the doc manager, and the diary/notes sections |
| 11:40.52 | brlcad | yay, indianlarry is in |
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| 12:38.52 | brlcad | indianlarry: heh welcome! |
| 12:38.58 | brlcad | see you figured it out :) |
| 12:39.24 | indianlarry | partly |
| 12:40.09 | brlcad | cheers |
| 13:01.28 | d-lo | brlcad excellent! |
| 13:01.36 | d-lo | waves @ indianlarry |
| 13:01.52 | indianlarry | hey d |
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| 13:49.13 | d_rossberg | why is the color in struct mater_info float? |
| 13:49.37 | d_rossberg | in struct rt_comb_internal it is unsigned char |
| 15:24.15 | brlcad | d_rossberg: libmultispectral and other portions of the code use floating point values for color information |
| 15:24.57 | brlcad | for increased color range/depth and to avoid quantization and aliasing effects |
| 15:26.35 | brlcad | rt_comb_internal's are structures that predate by quite a bit |
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| 15:30.43 | Briggs | does brlcade use doubles or floats to represent positions internally? |
| 15:31.44 | brlcad | Briggs: compile-time toggleable, but doubles |
| 15:32.09 | brlcad | nobody has tried a float compile in over a decade too.. so might not even be possible to drop it down :) |
| 15:32.12 | Briggs | brlcad: thank you. |
| 15:32.26 | Briggs | brlcad: just curious what other packages are doing since I have been having some precision problems with floats lately. |
| 15:32.37 | brlcad | ah yeah |
| 15:33.03 | Briggs | especially at extreme scales... |
| 15:33.07 | brlcad | we hit precision problems a *long* time ago.. |
| 15:33.29 | brlcad | pre ieee floating point was notoriously unstable |
| 15:33.52 | Briggs | sorting 7kmx7km of map data to find things like intersections and collinear edges just wasnt behaving nice with floats in the picture... |
| 15:34.52 | brlcad | :) |
| 15:36.04 | brlcad | we also use tuned data structures for certain primitives, integer indexing where it makes sense for example |
| 15:36.08 | brlcad | gridded data |
| 15:36.13 | ChiGai | hello everyone, my question seem to be a little bit stupid but I still want to ask |
| 15:36.39 | brlcad | like our height fields (dsps), their raw data is unsigned short integer ranged data that is positioned in 3space |
| 15:36.45 | brlcad | ChiGai: ask away |
| 15:37.07 | Briggs | brlcad: right, I'm doing similar things. |
| 15:37.11 | brlcad | there are no stupid questions, just stupid people ;) |
| 15:37.20 | ChiGai | I am a mechanic student living in a third world country where a commerical CAD program cost is several times larger than GDP |
| 15:37.41 | ChiGai | so I am interested in finding a free CAD program, and found about brl-cad |
| 15:37.53 | brlcad | okay, cool |
| 15:37.54 | ChiGai | I don't know if it is suited for education? |
| 15:38.17 | ChiGai | most people here are using pirated version of Catia, SolidWork etc... |
| 15:38.26 | ChiGai | and I want to change that |
| 15:38.44 | _clock_ | use pirated version of brl-cad! |
| 15:38.56 | ChiGai | _clock_: how to pirate brl-cad anyway? :D |
| 15:39.01 | _clock_ | not possible :) |
| 15:39.07 | _clock_ | function not implemented :) |
| 15:39.16 | ChiGai | :P |
| 15:39.18 | brlcad | it involves wearing a pirate hat and ending a lot of sentances with arrrrrrrr.... |
| 15:39.52 | brlcad | there's a parrot invovled too, but you don't want to know what you do with it |
| 15:40.01 | ChiGai | :)) |
| 15:40.22 | ChiGai | I am building brl-cad at the moment and eager to try it |
| 15:40.43 | ChiGai | oh, done already |
| 15:41.12 | brlcad | ChiGai: we're chocked full of features and in use in production environments, but for very specific usage domains with a lot of experts |
| 15:41.27 | brlcad | so you'll find there to be a pretty steep learning curve and lacking usability |
| 15:41.40 | brlcad | things we're working on improving of course, but it takes a lot of time and effort |
| 15:42.15 | brlcad | particularly if/when compared with the usability and features in the products of multibillion dollar companies like those you mentioned ;) |
| 15:42.26 | ChiGai | hmm, I don't intend to do anything advanced so it shouldn't be too hard |
| 15:42.32 | brlcad | we still hold our own very well though, and pretty much are the best out there (as open source) |
| 15:42.37 | brlcad | if I do say so myself |
| 15:42.52 | ChiGai | and beside I like banging my head on the wall, doing hard thing |
| 15:43.13 | brlcad | there are pretty extensive tutorials on the website |
| 15:43.58 | ChiGai | I see |
| 15:44.17 | ChiGai | thank you for your answer then :) |
| 15:44.30 | brlcad | np |
| 15:44.33 | ChiGai | I hope the situation here will be improved soon |
| 15:44.43 | brlcad | and if you have questions, someone is almost always on here or will eventually answer |
| 15:44.45 | ChiGai | and thank again for your work on brl-cad |
| 15:45.02 | brlcad | though the answer is often "contributions welcome" ;) |
| 15:45.10 | ChiGai | :) |
| 15:45.18 | brlcad | we need developers more than new users (unfortunately) ;) |
| 15:45.26 | brlcad | demand is much greater than supply |
| 15:45.31 | brlcad | several orders.. |
| 15:45.41 | ChiGai | I can understand that |
| 15:46.30 | ChiGai | writing CAD software is pretty hard and need a good, solid team, that also explain why there aren't many oopen source cad software out there :( |
| 15:47.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34526 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/ (Makefile.am bots.tcl tclIndex): |
| 15:47.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: add the 'bots' command (along with 'per_line') to mged for finding specific |
| 15:47.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: kinds of bots in an open database as a short term replacement until 'search' can |
| 15:47.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: do it better. make the commands already deprecated so they can be removed at |
| 15:47.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: will when search is enhanced. |
| 15:47.13 | brlcad | yep, that's part of it |
| 15:50.33 | brlcad | the magnitude of work involved to even have basic features is pretty huge |
| 15:53.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34527 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: search needs some sort of -param option to inquire about specific (internal) properties of objects, like finding dsp with given dimensions, spheres of certain sizes, bots with a given orientation, etc |
| 15:53.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34528 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/deprecation.txt: bots and per_line are new and already deprecated. |
| 16:06.04 | d_rossberg | brlcad: i'm using floting point variables for color values in my programs too |
| 16:06.26 | d_rossberg | but region and rt_comb_internal are closely connected |
| 16:06.40 | d_rossberg | and have diferent representations for color values |
| 16:07.24 | d_rossberg | therefore there is somebody else who writes something into mater_info? |
| 16:07.57 | d_rossberg | eg libmultispectral |
| 16:13.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34529 10/rt^3/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:13.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: a ray-trace hit now gives you some extra data |
| 16:13.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: ...to be continued... |
| 17:44.23 | brlcad | iinteresting, http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg14339.html |
| 17:44.41 | brlcad | wonders if michael is on irc |
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| 18:02.14 | starseeker | brlcad: do we need to up the version number to 7.14.9 now? |
| 18:02.35 | starseeker | oh, nevermind |
| 18:02.37 | starseeker | I see it now |
| 18:03.51 | brlcad | version number should always be bumped immediately after tag (or at *least* immediately after the upload |
| 18:04.17 | starseeker | nods. Yeah, I just missed it being updated in the commits - my bad |
| 18:05.13 | brlcad | Elrohir: do you know michael buesch? |
| 18:06.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34530 10/brlcad/trunk/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Add editing for EPA and Particle to libged and Archer. |
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| 18:31.20 | Elrohir | brlcad: no ... never heard of that name |
| 18:37.05 | brlcad | okay, thanks :) |
| 18:42.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34531 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 18:42.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: fastgen plate mode bots seem to be busted for shotlines. they render just fine, |
| 18:42.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: but are nirting and rtchecking wrong. have a good sample case with attached |
| 18:42.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: detail added as sf bug 2791866 (plate mode bots shotline incorrectly) |
| 18:43.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34532 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob continues to add interactive editing support to archer, now for epa and part objects. |
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| 19:01.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34533 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/ (11 files in 7 dirs): |
| 19:01.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Accept and apply sf patch 2787632 from dave brosius ([patch] minor cleanup in |
| 19:01.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: jbrlcad) which applies a lot of lint-style cleanup throughout the code to mark |
| 19:01.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: things final, declare overrides, sort imports, cleanup casts, and more. |
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| 21:48.31 | pacman87 | here's my tetris pics: https://webspace.utexas.edu/trv82/www/6811%20Tetris/index.html |
| 21:54.22 | brlcad | hehe, pacman87 how do you distinguish an M from an N ? :) |
| 21:54.48 | pacman87 | M only has one dot in the middle, just above the center |
| 21:54.49 | brlcad | thinks maybe need 4x6 glyphs or 4x5 :) |
| 21:54.58 | pacman87 | H has the center dot |
| 21:55.03 | pacman87 | W has the lower dot |
| 21:55.05 | brlcad | funny ;) |
| 21:55.10 | pacman87 | and U has the bottom dot |
| 21:56.30 | pacman87 | but the way the LCD works, it's a lot easier to code for 4 px wide letters (including spaces) |
| 21:57.54 | pacman87 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m3a178dbb |
| 21:58.20 | brlcad | heh, neat |
| 21:58.21 | pacman87 | that's the font in 4x6 |
| 21:58.32 | pacman87 | including the spacing top and right |
| 21:59.22 | pacman87 | i want to write a quine with it, but haven't had time with finals |
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| 06:49.55 | Mouette | exppp.c:351: error: `sys_errlist' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 06:50.04 | Mouette | in 7.14.8 |
| 06:51.25 | Mouette | maybe solaris hasn't the fonction |
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| 10:40.58 | jpjacobs | Hi ! |
| 10:41.54 | jpjacobs | I once made a ubuntu package for BRLCAD, but it isn't maintained any more, and back then it even was just a hackup, not taking into account dependancies etc. |
| 10:44.11 | jpjacobs | But now I keep getting those mails as "Hey I can't install your BRLCAD package, please help". But since I'm no longer using it, Would you mind taking the package off line, and put http://jpjacobs.ulyssis.org/brlcad-7.8.4.zip instead? it's the directory structure of the debian package, and has a usefull shellscript for setting up the environnement |
| 10:45.43 | jpjacobs | But at least state that I am not the package maintainer, and can't really help, unless point them through to general "how to build and install packages in ubuntu" pages. |
| 10:45.46 | jpjacobs | Thanks! |
| 12:18.14 | brlcad | howdy jpjacobs |
| 12:18.36 | jpjacobs | howdy |
| 12:18.46 | brlcad | jpjacobs: you referring to the .deb on sf.net? |
| 12:20.30 | jpjacobs | I guess so... if it's the one I made :) |
| 12:21.05 | jpjacobs | (btw sorry if I stop responding, the network here has troubles today...) |
| 12:22.19 | brlcad | hm, that was balbir thomas |
| 12:27.31 | jpjacobs | hmmm i'll see |
| 12:29.06 | brlcad | so what exactly are you asking? :) .. doesn't seem like the existing 7.8.4 deb has your name (at least in the credits, cant crack the file atm) |
| 12:30.39 | brlcad | maybe there's an entry in apt that references you |
| 12:30.49 | jpjacobs | in apt even? |
| 12:31.12 | jpjacobs | is it in apt yet? because I made the package because there was none in the repository at that moment |
| 12:31.33 | jpjacobs | mmm I think i'll mail the guy who mailed me for support where he got the link... |
| 12:31.44 | brlcad | i'm not sure what the current status is, it wasn't then it was approved, then rumored that it was, then wasn't, so I don't know |
| 12:31.59 | brlcad | don't have a debian box accessible, and that's not something we maintain |
| 12:33.04 | brlcad | either way, sounds like you deserve thanks in out contributor's file -- happen to know when you worked on it (and your full name)? |
| 12:34.31 | jpjacobs | well I think it was about 3 years ago... but actually the only thing it was was a quick package without proper dependancies and stuff. The only thing I really wrote was a wrapper for Xterm that sets up an environnement as is used in the manual |
| 12:40.59 | ``Erik | I know I built a debian/ directory long ago, but lost access to my debian machine... d'no ubuntu, but if a package maintainer is not keeping current, basic courtesy says that they should step aside if contacted |
| 12:41.44 | ``Erik | I've been feeling remiss in my maintainership of the fbsd port, if pedro asked to retake the responsibility, I would probably cede and take on a 'mentor' roll |
| 12:41.47 | ``Erik | role |
| 12:42.19 | jpjacobs | I never was a package maintainer, just made it once, ugly hackup, and put it online if anybody could use it... now it's like 3 years old, and I still have mails for support (not a lot, but anyway) |
| 12:42.21 | ``Erik | (also; huzzah! dude is coming to finish up on my house today!) |
| 12:42.51 | ``Erik | that's 3 people looking to you as the official liazon, man :) |
| 12:43.05 | jpjacobs | :) |
| 12:43.10 | jpjacobs | hehe |
| 12:43.18 | ``Erik | it's meritocracy, if you have the desire and the ability, then you're the guy |
| 12:43.52 | jpjacobs | anyway, I give them directions to building packages in general, hand them over the wrapper script and such, but not really anything that couldn't be written on a site or wiki somewhere... |
| 12:47.15 | brlcad | jpjacobs: well if you find out that the ref is somewhere on our end, I can disable it .. but not finding it -- you're probably coming up on people just searching "brl-cad on debian" or somesuch |
| 12:47.49 | jpjacobs | searched myself just now, couldn't find it... |
| 12:48.00 | brlcad | that that hack is still thank-worthy, if you care to be annotated |
| 12:48.17 | brlcad | s/that that/and that/ |
| 12:48.46 | jpjacobs | well, Yea, but maybe (if we find out where it is) state that it's totally unmaintained hack from 3 years back :) |
| 12:49.47 | jpjacobs | If you want you can also put the zip file with the debian directoory structure online, so anybody can plugin any compiled version, and roll their own .deb? |
| 12:50.10 | jpjacobs | (how ever i don't remmember quite so well how the actual deb-making went...) |
| 12:53.38 | brlcad | there's no point in posting old versions |
| 12:53.43 | brlcad | especially ones that old |
| 12:54.00 | brlcad | they just get disabled if there is a problem |
| 12:54.08 | brlcad | the actual "problem" is that there hasn't been an update ;) |
| 12:56.08 | jpjacobs | yeps... so you can put up the zip with the structure (just has the /usr/bin ... structure) it's here if you'd like it http://jpjacobs.ulyssis.org/brlcad-7.8.4.zip |
| 12:59.38 | brlcad | have it, but that's not useful by itself (at least posted on sf.net with our distributions) |
| 12:59.58 | brlcad | I'll just keep it handy in case someone else expresses interest in working on it |
| 13:00.20 | brlcad | which actually seems to happen every few months .. but nobody takes it to completion it seems |
| 13:00.49 | jpjacobs | indeed |
| 13:00.58 | jpjacobs | :p |
| 13:01.12 | brlcad | looks like you showed up on 20061123 ;) |
| 13:01.33 | jpjacobs | :) waaaaay back :) |
| 13:04.59 | brlcad | jpjacobs: can you check if the 7.8.4 .deb on sf.net is yours? |
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| 13:05.23 | brlcad | https://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=105292&filename=brlcad-7.8.4.deb&a=36697579 |
| 13:05.38 | brlcad | if it is, i'll just turn it off |
| 13:09.30 | jpjacobs | I'll see |
| 13:09.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34535 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: credit jpjacobs for his work back in 20061123 where he prepared a .deb package for 7.8.4. the dist included a brlterm wrapper script that sets the PATH/MANPATH, lscolors, and provides the apt package control files. |
| 13:10.18 | jpjacobs | brlcad, jeps, it lists me as maintaine |
| 13:10.19 | jpjacobs | r |
| 13:11.14 | brlcad | disabled |
| 13:11.21 | jpjacobs | thx |
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| 13:59.26 | ``Erik | interesting, hulu lets you skip past commercials now |
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| 15:03.07 | ``Erik | ok, they messed something up, if you skip to the end of a show, then play it back from the start, it skips over all the ads |
| 15:03.09 | ``Erik | heh |
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| 15:18.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34536 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Add editing for RHC, RPC and Superell to libged and Archer. |
| 15:34.18 | brlcad | ``Erik: interesting, i'll have to try that... |
| 15:34.54 | brlcad | i did notice that they have a timer, it won't play a commercial if it's played one recently |
| 15:44.29 | ``Erik | maybe that's what I ran into |
| 15:44.51 | ``Erik | I was trying to watch an episode, wanted to see if it was fresh in my mind, so I skipped to the end, then back to the beginning |
| 15:45.23 | ``Erik | in the past, when I tried to skip to the end, it brought me straight to the next scheduled ad, so I found this behavior... intriguing :) |
| 15:46.11 | ``Erik | (I don't mind the advertisements... they're far fewer than cable tv, and don't have the volume issue) |
| 15:46.25 | brlcad | fancast does that |
| 15:46.31 | brlcad | very annoying |
| 15:46.36 | ``Erik | does which now? the volume issue? |
| 15:46.51 | brlcad | jump to mid-show and it'll play all the ads in-betwee |
| 15:47.04 | ``Erik | ah, hulu used to do that |
| 15:47.13 | ``Erik | even that's ok with me, though... the volume thing is what pisses me off |
| 15:47.36 | ``Erik | I mean, I have to turn the volume up for the show, and when a commercial hits, it's 4x the volume, wtf |
| 15:47.37 | brlcad | hm, no volume issue for me |
| 15:47.58 | ``Erik | different channels have different "preferred" volumes as well |
| 15:48.04 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 15:48.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34537 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob continues onward on the archer interactive editing support, adding support for rhc, rpc, superell in addition to epa, part. just annotate them as 'most primitives' since he'll undoubtedly add more still |
| 15:48.47 | ``Erik | 'fox' has to go down to -40, comedy central and cartoon network are -24 |
| 15:49.50 | brlcad | that's pretty odd |
| 15:49.54 | ``Erik | probably should not have bought a 600 watt home theater system O:-) |
| 15:50.11 | brlcad | really can't say I've really noticed and that's watching 4 or 5 channels |
| 15:50.18 | brlcad | maybe your flash needs upgrading :) |
| 15:50.25 | ``Erik | heh, possibly |
| 15:50.35 | ``Erik | I've noticed a lot of service degredation |
| 15:50.38 | brlcad | or quicktime or whatever all it goes through |
| 15:50.46 | ``Erik | like the 'on demand' channel now hangs indefinitely |
| 15:51.04 | brlcad | oh, for the comcast box? |
| 15:51.24 | ``Erik | I pulled it up one night, got the 'loading data; please wait' screen, left the box on overnight, it was still tehre in the morning |
| 15:51.34 | brlcad | yeah, mine never worked .. I called them 3 or 4 times for it, they'd send a reset signal, it'd work for one day then be busted again |
| 15:52.11 | ``Erik | I'm starting to think d-lo's idea of "cancel cable, it's all online" might be a brilliant avenue |
| 15:52.16 | brlcad | it was 50/50 if I cold cycled the box |
| 15:52.35 | brlcad | that's my route now :) |
| 15:52.38 | ``Erik | no, this has been dead for many months, and I do a full rebooted pretty much daily |
| 15:52.40 | brlcad | works great |
| 15:53.01 | ``Erik | the cable box goes off when I turn off the tv and amp |
| 15:53.15 | brlcad | the thing has a cmos iirc, has to stay unplugged for 1min to reset or something iirc |
| 15:53.28 | brlcad | ah, k |
| 15:53.31 | ``Erik | it's been down with power outages, and I unplug it all when I leave town |
| 15:54.27 | ``Erik | oh, uh, *prod* machine migration, still in the queue? |
| 15:54.56 | ``Erik | noticed that the old machine is cooked up an awful lot on apache looking for locks |
| 15:55.16 | ``Erik | 30% cpu utilization but reading 3.0 load due to buttloads of lockd and select |
| 15:55.28 | ``Erik | might be failing fs issues |
| 15:55.32 | ``Erik | or bad code |
| 15:55.45 | brlcad | part of it is bad top reporting |
| 15:56.00 | brlcad | cpu stats are jacked in that version |
| 15:57.52 | ``Erik | a lot is jacked in that version, it was a zomfg hack release to cover some ugly mistakes |
| 15:58.28 | ``Erik | I don't think the 5 series was sane until 5.4, and everyone who was doing critical work was off on 6 when 5.2.1 came out |
| 15:58.48 | ``Erik | now it's 7.2 |
| 15:59.08 | ``Erik | (6 was a bit of a stinker as well, but 7 seems back to the quality 4 had) |
| 16:02.06 | ``Erik | *shrug* personally, I want to bring them to pace to get a modern sbcl set up behind modproxy :) port atrophy is my concern |
| 16:02.27 | ``Erik | if you run sudo portaudit -Fda, ... there's an awful lot of... issue |
| 16:04.45 | brlcad | nods |
| 16:06.03 | ``Erik | I tried to put that output into a weekly cron email, I don't think I did it right though :) |
| 16:06.25 | ``Erik | I'm sure you saw the sudo's |
| 16:09.28 | brlcad | probably saw them, but not ringing a bell at the moment |
| 16:09.34 | brlcad | but mind is off in libged land atm |
| 16:53.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34538 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make.c: Added hyp to the result given when -t is specified. |
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| 18:01.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34539 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (scale_rhc.c scale_rpc.c scale_superell.c): Add editing for RHC, RPC and Superell to libged and Archer. |
| 18:33.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34540 10/brlcad/trunk/include/common.h: HAVE_DRAND48 does only make sense with a config.h |
| 19:00.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34541 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/scale_tor.c: Constrain the scaling. |
| 19:23.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03JamesVasile 07http://brlcad.org * r1443 10/wiki/Compiling: Added build instructions specific to debian/ubuntu |
| 19:24.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03JamesVasile 07http://brlcad.org * r1444 10/wiki/Main_Page: Added link to Compiling page |
| 19:35.25 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:12.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34542 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/README.Linux: Add note about 64 building on Linux platforms |
| 23:46.59 | dreeves__ | ,m,. |
| 23:48.21 | dreeves__ | brlcad saw your comments and the patch I will take a look soon I have been very tied up on a project not much time. soon hopefully |
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| 02:26.31 | brlcad | dreeves__: no problem, you saw how long it took to review it carefully/fully :) |
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| 04:58.59 | starseeker | raises eyebrows - apparently sK1 will be even more heavyweight than I though as a sketch editor replacement ;-) |
| 04:59.06 | starseeker | http://www.sk1project.org |
| 05:52.51 | Axman6 | starseeker: thing i like best about that webpage? they've made the google ads look like they're part of the interface and almost encourage you to click them |
| 05:53.10 | Axman6 | needs to get google ads on his blog... and then start writing interesting stuff again |
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| 22:32.31 | brlcad | hah, awesome.. accelerated X11 on old O2's under NetBSD |
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| 00:46.33 | ``Erik | hehehe http://armorgames.com/play/2893/achievement-unlocked |
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| 18:56.43 | madant | hates his fried laptop and desktop |
| 18:57.12 | madant | loves his 9 year old P3 which is still breathing |
| 18:57.14 | brlcad | tastes good with chips |
| 18:57.24 | brlcad | fried and battered |
| 18:57.48 | madant | i just got the laptop motherboard repaired and there it goes again |
| 18:58.26 | madant | i see a potential 500 USD going into repairs over stuff that is probably worth 750 USD :( |
| 19:11.12 | ``Erik | I thought laptops and desktops came with chips re-installed |
| 19:11.31 | ``Erik | mmm, *noms on a natty semi* |
| 19:12.12 | ``Erik | brlcad: did you attempt to verify the bind on the new machine? |
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| 21:46.50 | objorn | anyone a gsoc mentor? |
| 21:51.56 | ``Erik | ? |
| 21:56.43 | madant | in search of a gsoc mentor in may ..0.o |
| 21:56.46 | madant | oops |
| 23:50.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34543 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: |
| 23:50.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: reports of a crash on Mac OS X from 'irocha' on the brl-cad help forum with a |
| 23:50.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: reported crash trace leading to the DisplayWidth() call. this would seem to |
| 23:50.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: imply that there is a display without a default screen and (more specific to the |
| 23:50.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: crash) that DefaultScreen() is a null pointer. so we check it. if it is indeed |
| 23:50.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: null, try to create or request the screen associated with the window we created. |
| 23:54.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34544 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need to visualize material thickness as an intensity value (akin to height field data) for EMC folks. rtxray seems like the best fit but presently outputs inverted pixel values. |
| 23:54.48 | brlcad | objorn: huh? |
| 23:55.48 | objorn | brlcad: it isn't important, it seems i won't be able to get teh statistics i was going for |
| 23:58.07 | brlcad | ok |
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| 00:08.55 | alvaro | why the qcad's command line does't work , is it normal? |
| 00:10.48 | alvaro | http://fpaste.org/paste/12170 |
| 00:11.20 | alvaro | which of these packages should i install to install brlcad from source? |
| 00:11.22 | alvaro | http://fpaste.org/paste/12170 |
| 00:12.34 | ``Erik | 2 and 3 |
| 00:13.13 | ``Erik | re qcad: http://www.ribbonsoft.com/forum/ seems to be their preferred support path |
| 00:15.20 | alvaro | ``Erik: that forum is not allowing to log in users |
| 00:15.54 | ``Erik | I'd imagine you have to register to create an account before you can log into an account |
| 00:16.08 | alvaro | which of these packages should i install to install brlcad from source? http://fpaste.org/paste/12170 |
| 00:16.20 | ``Erik | 2 and 3 |
| 00:16.34 | ``Erik | the libXi-i386 and libXi-devel-i386 ... |
| 00:17.22 | alvaro | ``Erik: that forum http://www.ribbonsoft.com/forum/ is not allowing users to register |
| 00:17.25 | brlcad | alvaro: we're not qcad, so asking questions about how to use it here is not good |
| 00:17.55 | brlcad | kinda rude actually |
| 00:18.05 | alvaro | brlcad: can you answer to me some questions in private about qcad? |
| 00:18.36 | brlcad | no, but I'll be glad to answer your brl-cad questions |
| 00:25.54 | alvaro | does a brlcad user can launch commands writing it on a command line like autocad does? |
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| 02:15.35 | brlcad | alvaro: yes |
| 02:15.42 | brlcad | heavily command-driven |
| 03:16.23 | starseeker | brlcad: I'd say your license plate would be rather on topic for this article: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/17/1858237 |
| 03:19.52 | starseeker | wonders if there could be a "nerd license plate" convention somehow |
| 03:20.00 | starseeker | talk about hilarous photo ops |
| 03:21.34 | starseeker | bonus points if someone gets a Microsoft related plate on a Ford Pinto |
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| 04:00.41 | alvaro | is this an important error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltk8.5 ? |
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| 04:05.02 | alvaro | can someone tell me if this was succesfull or error ? http://fpaste.org/paste/12184 |
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| 04:49.33 | brlcad | error |
| 04:50.11 | brlcad | missing tk, something during configure was wrong |
| 04:50.45 | brlcad | look for }}}}} line in the output and install whatever is missing |
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| 07:33.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34545 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/CMakeLists.txt: sync with Makefile.am |
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| 11:13.04 | d-lo | mornin all! |
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| 12:12.27 | brlcad | mornin' indianlarry |
| 12:12.43 | indianlarry | hey brlcad how goes it |
| 12:18.23 | brlcad | bit of a headache for some reason, but good! |
| 12:18.44 | d-lo | sinus? |
| 12:18.48 | brlcad | not really |
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| 12:20.30 | brlcad | taking elle into the shop here in a little bit, it should clear up with a shower and some fresh air hopefully |
| 12:26.04 | d-lo | elle == the lotus? |
| 12:27.53 | brlcad | of course |
| 12:28.05 | d-lo | :) Nice name! |
| 12:29.10 | archivist | hehe a man and his car |
| 13:55.12 | ``Erik | is happy that his house is being finished up today |
| 13:55.46 | ``Erik | I'll probably be in tomorrow, if I can still remember the way to get there O:-) |
| 13:56.11 | d-lo | So the house is lookin good again? |
| 13:59.07 | indianlarry | guess no rockin out today =(:^{o>>>>>>>>>> |
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| 19:07.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34546 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Add some comments describing what the routines that draw the nurbs sub-surface bounding boxes are for. |
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| 19:24.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34547 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Modify scaling of ell and superell to take "abc" instead of 3 when scaling "a", "b" and "c". |
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| 19:26.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34548 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Add a few more comments on nurbs wireframe plotting |
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| 20:16.10 | ``Erik | yeah, house is looking pretty good... not perfect, but decent |
| 20:17.14 | ``Erik | hopefully get my house back tomorrow or wednesday O.o |
| 20:17.29 | ``Erik | then it's on to talking to hvac dudes to get the a/c back heh |
| 20:17.33 | ``Erik | rubs his wallet |
| 20:17.45 | ``Erik | (hm, d-lo left for the day, I bet) |
| 20:18.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34549 10/brlcad/trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Add support for editing Eto and Tgc to libged and Archer. |
| 20:31.09 | starseeker | ``Erik: nah, he's here |
| 20:31.10 | starseeker | busy |
| 20:34.06 | d-lo | they've got me chained up. :( |
| 20:34.29 | d-lo | *grunt* *grunt* IM FREE!!!! |
| 20:34.31 | d-lo | lata! |
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| 20:51.14 | ``Erik | really didn't need to know about all the s&m crap ya'll do when he ain't there O.o |
| 20:54.45 | _sushi_ | has a microwave oven transformer :D |
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| 23:02.45 | Ralith | had two |
| 23:02.52 | Ralith | then I realized I really didn't want to mess with that kind of voltage |
| 23:02.55 | Ralith | so I gave them to someone who did |
| 23:14.27 | ``Erik | has one, inside of his microwave |
| 23:23.22 | Ralith | d-lo: you around? |
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| 00:42.29 | starseeker | can't help thinking something doesn't look right about these bounding boxes... http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/pipe_bb.png |
| 01:10.50 | starseeker | apparently those are marked "Leaf" |
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| 02:11.18 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm thinking this bounding box is waaaay to large for the purpose of subdividing a spherical nurbs surface: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/sphere_bb_edge.png |
| 02:49.25 | starseeker | ponders the criteria of surface flatness and wonders how the normals can satisfy it when the bounding boxes are so large... |
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| 02:56.04 | starseeker | is the plotting messed up? |
| 02:56.05 | starseeker | hmm |
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| 13:28.35 | brlcad | tried to pull him away |
| 13:28.51 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, I'm not sure I believe that plotting |
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| 13:29.34 | brlcad | the boxes do overlap, and with that much curvature, I'm sure there are a lot of them, but they shouldn't be that many/big |
| 13:29.57 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 ! |
| 13:30.12 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad |
| 13:30.13 | brlcad | any progress on the bot to nmg conversion? |
| 13:30.31 | brlcad | how're classes? |
| 13:30.34 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, not yet actually should be done in a couple of days. |
| 13:30.39 | brlcad | cool |
| 13:31.06 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, havent registered for summer school. i took up a summer job |
| 13:31.23 | brlcad | anything technical/interesting? |
| 13:32.46 | hippieindamakin8 | tools to analyse the rail tracks for the indian railways(hardware) + a handheld to analyze the data on and print it out on a line printer |
| 13:33.11 | brlcad | what are they analyzing? |
| 13:33.28 | hippieindamakin8 | analyzing the defects of the tracks |
| 13:33.45 | brlcad | cad models? :) |
| 13:34.02 | hippieindamakin8 | :P vibration analysis. |
| 13:34.33 | hippieindamakin8 | and then probably we ll be using a beagleboard and a screen to develop a handheld |
| 13:35.37 | hippieindamakin8 | apart from that a literature study at the university with a prof on the geometric coresets and their applications |
| 13:35.53 | brlcad | coresets? |
| 13:36.34 | _clock_ | corsets? |
| 13:37.05 | hippieindamakin8 | coresets are this geometric approximations we work on . they are the subsets of the actual sets with an /epsilon error |
| 13:37.16 | brlcad | eh? |
| 13:38.18 | brlcad | you've still not said what that means :) |
| 13:38.33 | brlcad | .. coresets are geometric approximations (of what?) |
| 13:38.35 | hippieindamakin8 | suppose we have a clustering problem, and the point set is very huge, now we develop a coreset which is an approximation of the point set and then using this coreset we obtain we get |
| 13:39.16 | hippieindamakin8 | *we obtain this new point set to work on to reduce the computational costs |
| 13:39.44 | brlcad | ah okay |
| 13:39.47 | hippieindamakin8 | coresets in this case is an approximate point set the geometric approximations of the point sets |
| 13:40.00 | hippieindamakin8 | of the actual point sets. |
| 13:40.56 | hippieindamakin8 | but the end of it all its an approximate solution. :) |
| 13:42.10 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, i ll just put the patch in soon. |
| 13:42.35 | brlcad | no rush, was just wondering if you were still working on it or stuck on some problem or busy, etc :) |
| 13:42.39 | brlcad | hadn't seen you in a while |
| 13:43.36 | hippieindamakin8 | yeah :) i did actually get stuck implementing the read |
| 13:43.53 | hippieindamakin8 | but i ll just go through the src code and get back to you. |
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| 14:00.01 | alvaro1 | make > &a ................? |
| 14:05.37 | alvaro1 | please can somebody help me to find the error? http://fpaste.org/paste/12285 |
| 14:07.19 | ``Erik | hm, looks like you told it to build tcl but use the system tk, make "make distclean" and "./configure --enable-all" |
| 14:08.01 | alvaro1 | what is tk8.5 ? |
| 14:08.13 | alvaro1 | ltk8.5 |
| 14:08.29 | ``Erik | the gui toolkit for tcl 8.5, check out http://tcl.tk for more info |
| 14:09.15 | alvaro1 | what goes first?, make distclean or ./configure --enable-all |
| 14:09.32 | ``Erik | "make distclean && ./configure --enable-all && make" |
| 14:12.09 | alvaro1 | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in misc ./misc |
| 14:13.13 | brlcad | after distclean, you have to "sh autogen.sh" |
| 14:13.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34550 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: reorganize trace defines in opennurbs (convenience only) |
| 14:13.47 | alvaro1 | make distclean |
| 14:13.56 | brlcad | then sh autogen.sh |
| 14:13.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34551 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: whoops - that's TRACE2 |
| 14:14.04 | brlcad | then ./configure --enable-all |
| 14:14.50 | alvaro1 | [root@alvaro-edicta-host brlcad-7.14.6]# make distclean |
| 14:14.50 | alvaro1 | make: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. |
| 14:15.22 | brlcad | once you run it, you can't run it again |
| 14:15.34 | alvaro1 | nice point |
| 14:15.48 | brlcad | it blows away all makefiles |
| 14:15.56 | brlcad | so you can "start fresh" |
| 14:16.14 | alvaro1 | fresh is my second name! |
| 14:23.06 | brlcad | "alvaro fresh" |
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| 15:09.55 | ``Erik | oh, woops, fergot about having to autoreconf O:-) |
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| 15:31.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34552 10/brlcad/trunk/ (22 files in 6 dirs): Add support for editing hyperboloids to libged and Archer. |
| 17:24.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34553 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/CMakeLists.txt: new files scale_eto.c and scale_hyp.c added |
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| 18:56.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34554 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: |
| 18:56.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Turn off box growing in the NURBS for now - plotting the bounding boxes reveals |
| 18:56.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: that the scaling factors are causing the sizes to go waaaay out of line. The |
| 18:56.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: visual artifacts being seen appear to be the result of bounding box intersection |
| 18:56.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: errors - parent bounding boxes are found, but the children do not intersect |
| 18:56.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: properly. Appears to be related to opennurbs_ext.h:243 in some way. Growing |
| 18:56.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the bounding boxes just 'hides' the problem. |
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| 19:30.03 | Defcon- | !seen maloeran |
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| 20:04.51 | brlcad | ~seen maloeran |
| 20:04.52 | ibot | maloeran <n=maloeran@glvortex.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 48d 7h 58m 41s ago, saying: 'Ahah, neat article mafm'. |
| 20:15.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34555 10/brlcad/tags/rel-7-14-8/ (db/ misc/pkgconfig/ src/conv/ src/rt/): ignore generated files |
| 20:15.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34556 10/brlcad/trunk/db/: ignore goliath.g |
| 20:27.01 | Defcon- | mkay.. |
| 20:27.03 | ``Erik | mal was on efnet yesterday |
| 20:27.06 | Defcon- | tnx brlcad |
| 20:27.09 | Defcon- | efnet ? |
| 20:27.11 | Defcon- | #c ? |
| 20:27.30 | ``Erik | uhm, I saw him in, uh, #siggraph |
| 20:28.06 | ``Erik | he's on now, but idle 21.5 hours |
| 20:29.19 | Defcon- | ty |
| 20:33.36 | starseeker | hm. well, the bound box check seems legit... next do the bounding boxes really enclose what they say they do... |
| 20:38.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34557 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: Add commented out debugging statements for the NearZero check. |
| 20:45.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34558 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: Whoops, comment out additional cout debugging. |
| 20:47.46 | Defcon- | ^^ |
| 20:55.36 | Defcon- | cya :) |
| 21:09.14 | starseeker | oh, so that's it - the bounding boxes aren't including all of the volume they need to for a given uv parameter patch |
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| 22:39.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34559 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Tweak bounding box plotting for nurbs drawing, disable trimming for now (need to get bounding boxes behaving better first) |
| 22:50.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34560 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/help.tcl: add help for e_id even though it's a tclscript, include an example and do better at describing how to use it than e_id presently does via it's usage statement. |
| 22:51.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34561 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/e_id.tcl: make e_id use the new help string, just call 'help'. |
| 22:54.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34562 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: improved e_id help, usage statement, description, and example. |
| 22:57.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34563 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/tclscripts/helpcomm.tcl): change the output of help. remove the parentheses, add a Description label, don't tab in. |
| 23:06.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34564 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/helplib.tcl: remove the quotes around help strings as they imply the string needs to be quoted (and that doesn't seem to be the case) |
| 23:09.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34565 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: Force the upper level bounding boxes to be at least as big as the bounding boxes of the leaf boxes they contain. |
| 23:10.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34567 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Turn off the debugging drawing for now. |
| 23:10.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34566 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/help.tcl: remove the quotes even if it screws up the fontlocking due to the comment chars. |
| 23:32.15 | starseeker | does happy dance and heads outta here |
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| 01:31.50 | brlcad | starseeker: awesome progress :) |
| 01:35.31 | brlcad | ~starseeker++ |
| 02:11.34 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks! :-) |
| 02:11.42 | starseeker | next up, trimming |
| 02:13.33 | starseeker | or more specifically, trimming + bounding volume hierarchy |
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| 11:08.26 | indianlarry | ~/whois |
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| 11:34.38 | brlcad | yawns |
| 11:43.23 | alex_joni | O prostituata merge la ginecolog... |
| 11:43.23 | alex_joni | Acesta o intreaba: |
| 11:43.24 | alex_joni | - Domnisoara, aveti pierderi mari in timpul menstruatiilor? |
| 11:43.34 | alex_joni | eek.. sorry, wrong paste :/ |
| 11:43.41 | brlcad | heh |
| 11:43.57 | brlcad | what an odd paste at that :) |
| 11:44.44 | indianlarry | flashes back to catholic school |
| 11:45.06 | alex_joni | brlcad: that's part of a joke in my native language |
| 11:46.37 | d-lo_ | Hrm, I see prostitue, gynocologist and menstration.... I probably don't wan't to hear the actual joke based on that.... |
| 11:47.47 | archivist | clean safe laugh http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html |
| 11:59.12 | d-lo_ | hah, thats pretty good :) |
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| 12:15.58 | madant | hadn't heard of Scala :O |
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| 13:07.11 | ``Erik | heh, archiviist: that was on hn a few days back :) |
| 13:11.27 | ``Erik | hm, starseeker, that java vuln I mentioned yesterday went up on /. this morning |
| 13:12.05 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, saw that |
| 13:12.09 | starseeker | turned it off |
| 13:12.33 | starseeker | madant: Oh, the lisp in lisp thing? Yeah, it doesn't get a lot of press |
| 14:12.43 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:13.14 | brlcad | "Oh, * lisp *? Yeah, it doesn't get a lot of press" :) |
| 14:13.37 | brlcad | loves lisp, but it's not exactly ever going to be "mainstream" |
| 14:14.53 | starseeker | must concede that |
| 14:15.53 | madant | is checking out wattzon.com |
| 14:23.27 | ``Erik | seems to have had a resurgance the last few years, though |
| 14:25.26 | _clock_ | http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/599/yogadz6.jpg |
| 14:26.00 | brlcad | http://www.ohloh.net/languages/compare?measure=commits&percent=&l0=emacslisp&l1=lisp&l2=scheme&l3=-1&l4=-1&commit=Update |
| 14:26.04 | brlcad | that's pretty "steady" |
| 14:26.18 | ``Erik | wait, vodka makes me do yoga? awesome, it's healthy for ya! :D |
| 14:26.35 | _clock_ | ``Erik: right |
| 14:27.10 | ``Erik | the new lisps aren't usually called lisp, though... they go with funny names like clojure and arc |
| 14:27.53 | ``Erik | (and it's scattered and often using a variety of odd vcs's if any, so ohloh won't pick it up well) |
| 14:27.55 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 14:28.31 | brlcad | ohloh's language parser would see them as lisp |
| 14:28.58 | ``Erik | how does ohloh find projects to add? |
| 14:29.03 | brlcad | and the fact that it's scattered and obscure doesn't really help your point :) |
| 14:29.04 | madant | what percentage of the world's code base right now would be open source ;) |
| 14:29.22 | starseeker | madant: a minute fraction |
| 14:29.38 | brlcad | at least, perhaps we define "resurgance" quite differently :) |
| 14:29.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34568 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/scale_hyp.c tclscripts/archer/HypEditFrame.tcl): Added scale H (move V) editing capability for hyperboloid. This affects libged and Archer. |
| 14:30.22 | ``Erik | from the forum/blog/newsgroup/irc/packagegrowth/etc perspective, it's grown a huge amount over 5 years *shrug* |
| 14:30.56 | ``Erik | but it's an ugly nonunified world, MOST work is just "here's a tarball" on a site and maybe a registry in cliki if you're lucky |
| 14:31.02 | brlcad | I think that's probably just because it's what you're reading (because it's interesting to you) |
| 14:31.28 | ``Erik | if there is a public vcs, it's darcs on this random machine, or git on that one, or something else over there |
| 14:32.02 | ``Erik | *shrug* but I've been interested in it for 10 years now... :) |
| 14:33.09 | brlcad | fwiw to answer your question -- if it has a public vcs, anyone can add it to ohloh |
| 14:33.23 | ``Erik | so it has to be manually added? |
| 14:33.36 | brlcad | by someone that cares, sure |
| 14:33.43 | brlcad | they don't go scraping around for projects |
| 14:34.13 | ``Erik | imagines 95+% of the lithp world doesn't care about ohloh :) (most probably haven't even heard of it) |
| 14:34.20 | ``Erik | but that's pure conjecture |
| 14:35.03 | brlcad | conjects that 95% of the lisp world doesn't even amount to a 1% difference in those stats |
| 14:35.49 | brlcad | law of averages, it's not like the ones on there do care |
| 14:35.58 | ``Erik | might be amusing to write a script to scrape all the lisp repo locations off of few dozen 'central' locations and add them |
| 14:42.44 | _clock_ | Is BRL-CAD Turing-complete? |
| 14:42.49 | _clock_ | I think it should be. |
| 14:42.53 | ``Erik | tcl is |
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| 14:56.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34569 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: stub in the new mirror calls for all of the rest of the primitives, change indentation on the old sections |
| 15:10.07 | ``Erik | wonders if brlcad is on the way in, or working from home |
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| 15:45.07 | elena | hi. |
| 15:49.09 | d-lo_ | hai! |
| 15:49.32 | elena | hi d-lo |
| 15:53.47 | brlcad | hola elena |
| 15:54.00 | elena | hi Sean. |
| 15:54.00 | brlcad | ``Erik: in, but no lunch |
| 15:54.22 | elena | bon appetit! |
| 15:54.36 | brlcad | elena: how's summer looking so far? :) |
| 15:54.47 | elena | interesting. |
| 15:54.58 | elena | challenging |
| 15:55.02 | elena | fun. |
| 15:55.06 | brlcad | well that's good! |
| 15:55.16 | elena | yes. |
| 15:55.39 | brlcad | have to get you set up soon |
| 15:56.14 | elena | anything I can help with? |
| 15:57.34 | brlcad | probably |
| 15:57.49 | elena | just let me know. |
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| 15:58.17 | elena | I'll also catch up with Cliff. |
| 15:58.46 | elena | I was away lately. |
| 15:58.56 | brlcad | nods |
| 15:58.56 | elena | in norway :) |
| 15:59.06 | brlcad | sounds like fun :) |
| 15:59.17 | brlcad | details in pm for setup |
| 16:00.16 | d-lo_ | whereabouts in Norway? |
| 16:03.25 | alvaro1 | [root@alvaro-edicta-host brlcad-7.14.6]# ./configure --enable-optimized |
| 16:03.25 | alvaro1 | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in misc ./misc |
| 16:03.43 | brlcad | alvaro1: you ran autogen.sh ? |
| 16:03.48 | alvaro1 | no |
| 16:04.09 | brlcad | run it |
| 16:05.17 | alvaro1 | sh autogen.sh gives me this ERROR: Unable to locate GNU Autoconf. |
| 16:06.34 | alvaro1 | should i install this?: autoconf.noarch : A GNU tool for automatically configuring source code |
| 16:06.37 | starseeker | alvaro1: well, step one is to install it :-) |
| 16:06.41 | starseeker | yep |
| 16:07.01 | starseeker | make sure automake is in there too |
| 16:07.16 | starseeker | or rather, in PATH |
| 16:07.39 | alvaro1 | there are two choices: autoconf.noarch : A GNU tool for automatically configuring source code , autoconf213.noarch : A GNU tool for automatically configuring source code |
| 16:08.06 | starseeker | I'd go with plain autoconf |
| 16:14.59 | alvaro1 | starseeker: (libedit.i386 : The NetBSD Editline library) is equivalent to libtoolize ? |
| 16:15.13 | starseeker | no, I don't think so |
| 16:16.07 | starseeker | look for an autotools package, if there is one |
| 16:16.36 | alvaro1 | http://fpaste.org/paste/12422 |
| 16:17.34 | brlcad | libedit is equivalent to the gnu readline library .. nothing to do with libtool |
| 16:17.36 | starseeker | which OS/distro are you on? |
| 16:17.44 | brlcad | libedit is cool, we should be using it |
| 16:17.49 | starseeker | :-) |
| 16:18.11 | starseeker | hasn't checked - do we get tab completion/history for free using that? |
| 16:24.19 | alvaro1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.11 | brlcad | alvaro1: you have to run autogen.sh successfully |
| 16:26.21 | brlcad | until that happens, you cannot run configure |
| 16:26.23 | brlcad | so stop trying :) |
| 16:27.08 | alvaro1 | http://fpaste.org/paste/12423 |
| 16:29.02 | alvaro1 | and libedit is installed but autogen.sh keeps on reporting the error about libtoolize |
| 16:29.47 | brlcad | alvaro1: 12:21 <@brlcad> libedit is equivalent to the gnu readline library .. nothing to do with libtool |
| 16:29.52 | brlcad | did you miss that? |
| 16:31.33 | alvaro1 | brlcad but autogen.sh is asking for libtoolize and when i search on the repos the only thing that appears is libedit |
| 16:32.02 | brlcad | sounds like you need to do some searching then for your platform |
| 16:34.19 | alvaro1 | brlcad: libedit.i386 is equivalent to libtoolized on fedora see this: http://fpaste.org/paste/12426 |
| 16:35.41 | elena | hi starseeker. brlcad just setup my account. |
| 16:39.07 | alvaro1 | libtool.i386 seems to be working |
| 16:43.02 | brlcad | alvaro1: you are totally misunderstanding that description |
| 16:43.38 | brlcad | libedit IS NOT libtool .. read the rest of the description, search online for libtool and read it's description .. they are very different projects |
| 16:44.17 | brlcad | elena: so .. what's "step one"? |
| 16:46.10 | elena | i'll take a look at the current setup. |
| 16:46.24 | elena | also you mentioned problems with captcha. are they solved? |
| 16:46.36 | brlcad | nope |
| 16:46.59 | elena | maybe I could take a shoot at that first... |
| 16:47.32 | brlcad | elena: your project (the repository aspect) has a nice benefit that it can somewhat start with a clean slate |
| 16:48.24 | brlcad | that would be cool -- fixing the captcha problem on the contact form would certainly take off one headache :) |
| 16:48.39 | elena | can you rephrase "slate". I don't understand it. |
| 16:48.48 | brlcad | mm a "fresh" start |
| 16:48.53 | brlcad | a blank piece of paper |
| 16:48.54 | elena | aha. |
| 16:49.23 | elena | then next step would be to find a theme. |
| 16:49.34 | elena | something in tone with brlcad.org. |
| 16:49.48 | brlcad | brlcad.org's theme is bound to change, don't worry about it |
| 16:50.07 | elena | ook. |
| 16:50.10 | brlcad | it just needs to be clean and asthetically pleasing ;) |
| 16:50.15 | brlcad | "just" :) |
| 16:51.18 | d-lo_ | yes. Eye trauma == bad |
| 16:53.21 | brlcad | as for the location, can either go with more.brlcad.org or .. |
| 16:53.26 | brlcad | I've also had solidgeometry.org registered for a while after some discussions at the ACM solid modeling conference a couple years ago, that could be used |
| 16:53.43 | brlcad | or [whatever].brlcad.org really |
| 17:01.38 | brlcad | my goal is to end up at solidgeometry.org so that the repository can have its own identity, community, policies, and such |
| 17:01.56 | brlcad | sort of a separation of model/view and controller in MVC lingo :) |
| 17:02.16 | brlcad | also doesn't mean we have to start there either though |
| 17:08.13 | elena | i'd go with more. for now. |
| 17:08.24 | elena | maybe solidgeometry could be more general. |
| 17:08.51 | elena | a next step. |
| 17:10.04 | brlcad | okay, sounds good |
| 17:10.11 | elena | great. |
| 17:25.41 | brlcad | elena: clean slate: http://more.brlcad.org/ |
| 17:25.54 | elena | :) thanks. |
| 17:26.41 | brlcad | cliff can help out with logging in, navigating, transferring files, etc |
| 17:27.12 | elena | i'll try to do it myself first. |
| 18:00.25 | alvaro1 | it is necessary run "make test" ? |
| 18:01.07 | alvaro1 | is it necessary run "make test" ? |
| 18:03.05 | elena | maybe not, but it is a good idea to do it. |
| 18:06.50 | alvaro1 | and "make benchmark" ? |
| 18:11.37 | starseeker | only if you want to test your system's performance |
| 18:15.09 | alvaro1 | what comes after make , make test, and make benchmark ? |
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| 18:17.11 | alvaro1 | what comes after "make" , "make test", "make benchmark", and "make clean", ? |
| 18:17.31 | starseeker | uh - why did you do make clean? |
| 18:17.55 | starseeker | if you're trying to install BRL-CAD, it's make and then make install |
| 18:17.55 | elena | I was going to suggest not to make clean. |
| 18:18.21 | alvaro1 | what do i do now ? i did make clean |
| 18:18.58 | elena | run again. make and make install |
| 18:19.11 | alvaro1 | sure? |
| 18:19.24 | starseeker | that's standard for GNU autotools builds |
| 18:19.25 | elena | starseeker? |
| 18:20.05 | starseeker | alvaro1: have you read the INSTALL file? |
| 18:20.20 | starseeker | elena: hey elena |
| 18:20.28 | elena | hi. |
| 18:20.34 | starseeker | how are things going? |
| 18:20.39 | alvaro1 | starseeker: yes but the command line is giving instructions too |
| 18:20.39 | elena | great. |
| 18:20.46 | starseeker | :-) |
| 18:20.51 | elena | i just got an account on brlcad.org |
| 18:21.17 | starseeker | alvaro1: The standard install procedure is ./configure && make and then as root make install |
| 18:21.32 | starseeker | alvaro1: I take it this is the first time you've compiled software on your machine? |
| 18:21.37 | elena | i'll look around for the setup and then bug you with any question I have :) |
| 18:21.49 | alvaro1 | well i am runing make install, first time |
| 18:21.53 | starseeker | elena: cool :-) |
| 18:22.20 | starseeker | alvaro1: OK. If you get any permissions errors on make install, it means you're not in the root account |
| 18:22.37 | alvaro1 | i am logged as root |
| 18:22.47 | starseeker | ok. It should work then |
| 18:35.37 | brlcad | alvaro1: yet you're also making up your own instructions |
| 18:36.47 | brlcad | make clean is not mentioned anywhere in the INSTALL file or the instructions that are prompted after each build step |
| 18:36.55 | brlcad | those instructions match up, you're not following either of them |
| 18:38.03 | brlcad | read the INSTALL instructions and follow them -- the quick instructions are particularly relevant |
| 18:39.03 | alvaro1 | well after make install stops i will go back if necessary, do yo suggest to interrupt "make install" ? |
| 18:39.54 | brlcad | no |
| 18:40.05 | brlcad | if make install works, you should be done |
| 18:40.28 | alvaro1 | ok let's see the result... |
| 18:40.46 | brlcad | look at the instructions, follow after the "Once installed, ....." section |
| 18:41.07 | brlcad | that should help |
| 18:54.28 | alvaro1 | in the INSTALL file ? |
| 18:55.39 | brlcad | that would be the installation instructions |
| 19:29.08 | alvaro1 | how do i add PATH=/usr/brlcad/bin:$PATH ; export PATH to the path permanently ? |
| 19:33.30 | brlcad | alvaro1: do you have a .profile in your home directory? |
| 19:33.36 | alvaro1 | yes |
| 19:33.47 | brlcad | what's in it? |
| 19:33.53 | alvaro1 | let me see |
| 19:35.20 | alvaro1 | no i do not have a .profile on my home directory |
| 19:40.25 | brlcad | ls -la .profile that returns nothing? |
| 19:41.02 | brlcad | run this: echo "" >> .profile && echo "PATH=/usr/brlcad/bin:$PATH ; export PATH" >> .profile |
| 19:41.19 | brlcad | then open a new terminal -- the path should be set |
| 19:41.26 | brlcad | can check it with "echo $PATH" |
| 19:43.18 | alvaro1 | if i open gedit and paste "PATH=/usr/brlcad/bin:$PATH ; export PATH" and save it as .profile in my home directory will work too? |
| 19:43.32 | brlcad | without the quotes |
| 19:43.35 | brlcad | sure |
| 19:43.56 | brlcad | might need to run: chmod 755 ~/.profile |
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| 19:47.59 | alvaro1 | it is not working for some reason please see: http://fpaste.org/paste/12447 |
| 19:50.14 | brlcad | assuming you put it into the right place, that looks right |
| 19:50.32 | alvaro1 | yes it is at home |
| 19:50.35 | brlcad | note that's a root shell, you have to open a new user shell |
| 19:50.53 | brlcad | also check to see if you have a .bash_profile |
| 19:52.20 | alvaro1 | i have a .bash_profile http://fpaste.org/paste/12450 |
| 19:52.29 | brlcad | so put it in there |
| 19:52.47 | brlcad | you already have a path line in there even |
| 19:58.03 | alvaro1 | michael jhon mush had a great smile! |
| 20:01.28 | brlcad | he did :) |
| 20:08.42 | alvaro1 | brlcad: thanks i'll try to upload binarys, but i am going to explore brlcad first, it is running on fedora 10 |
| 20:33.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34570 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/tor/tor_mirror.c: unused var |
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| 21:06.47 | ``Erik | heh |
| 21:07.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34571 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/mged/mged.c): Added -v to command line mged for version information. |
| 21:09.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34572 10/brlcad/trunk/ (doc/docbook/system/man1/en/mged.xml src/mged/mged.c): Document the -v argument. |
| 21:31.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34573 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (Makefile.am primitives/tgc/tgc_mirror.c): separate out the tgc mirroring for the guts to rt_tgc_mirror() |
| 21:33.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34574 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: turn on tor and tgc/rec mirroring through the new routines sans debugging, remove the old. |
| 21:35.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34575 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: bah, fix the preprocessor logic. helps to compile first. |
| 22:37.16 | ``Erik | hehehe, I wonder if I messed up the slushbox doing that :D |
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| 23:37.16 | brlcad | howdy jdoliner |
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| 23:46.59 | rincon | what i see in the help is the mged classic, where can see the help of the new GUI |
| 23:53.50 | brlcad | rincon: what do you mean? |
| 23:54.14 | brlcad | rincon: there's extensive tutorials on the website |
| 23:54.18 | brlcad | under documentation |
| 23:54.32 | rincon | the images on the local manual seems so differrent than the gui |
| 23:55.14 | brlcad | latest docs are the mged tutorial series, pdfs on the website |
| 23:55.23 | brlcad | the ones that are locally installed are older |
| 23:55.33 | brlcad | still valid, but yeah different |
| 23:56.20 | rincon | ok then it is better to look at the website... |
| 00:17.32 | rincon | can i export to dxf format from brlcad ? |
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| 00:29.11 | starseeker | glowers at shape1 |
| 00:31.47 | starseeker | dreeves__: Do you happen to know if face->Loop(0) returns a trimming curve or the "outer" curve per the http://en.wiki.mcneel.com/default.aspx/McNeel/opennurbsfaq Trimming loop entry? |
| 00:42.40 | starseeker | dreeves__: You're probably aware of these, but just in case: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~cg/Diplomarbeiten/DA_Oliver_Abert.pdf |
| 00:44.24 | brlcad | starseeker: fwiw, that url is also src/other/openNURBS/faq.txt |
| 00:44.31 | brlcad | starseeker: Loop() should be a trimming curve |
| 00:44.36 | brlcad | OuterLoop() will return the outer |
| 00:44.37 | starseeker | brlcad: oh, sorry |
| 00:44.43 | starseeker | brlcad: cool, thanks |
| 00:45.16 | starseeker | thinks he is slowly getting a handle on what they want to do to trim |
| 00:47.18 | starseeker | Ah, you're referring to the mcneel faq |
| 00:47.25 | starseeker | thought you ment the thesis |
| 00:47.42 | starseeker | really should be updating the BRL-CAD bib file with all of these nurbs papers |
| 00:48.02 | starseeker | might be time to pause tomorrow and do that |
| 00:48.09 | starseeker | I think I'm gonna need 'em |
| 00:49.42 | starseeker | dreeves__: also, http://nis-lab.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/nis/cdrom/sig90_nis.pdf |
| 00:50.48 | starseeker | dreeves__: the DA_Oliver_Abert thesis addresses trimming in some detail in section 5.4 |
| 00:59.26 | ``Erik | brlcad: did you even hear the revving? I was snickering all the way off post :) |
| 01:06.06 | brlcad | was that what that was? :) |
| 01:06.18 | brlcad | thought maybe had a hole in the muffler |
| 01:13.18 | brlcad | starseeker: since you mentioned nishita's paper, keep in mind that we're intentionally not doing a surface decomposition to bezier surface patches |
| 01:14.02 | brlcad | instead evaluating the nurbs surface directly |
| 01:14.59 | ``Erik | heh, no, I slipped it in neutral in the intersection and tried to rev it a couple times (very unresponsive throttle), then popped it back in drive |
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| 01:41.47 | rincon | how do you draw a circle ? |
| 01:44.03 | brlcad | rincon: 3d primitives |
| 01:44.26 | brlcad | something circular is the base of a right-circular cylinder (rcc primitive) |
| 01:44.36 | brlcad | or a tgc or an rec |
| 01:44.47 | brlcad | examples in the back of volume two |
| 01:45.34 | rincon | brlcad has object snaping ? |
| 01:49.05 | brlcad | that's related to one of the gsoc projects (constraint resolution), until then you'll have to be explicit |
| 01:53.07 | rincon | i understand |
| 02:45.50 | starseeker | brlcad: right. The algorithm appears to be adapted to do the uv space trimming (the trims being bezier curves) |
| 02:49.17 | starseeker | is currently trying to figure out how to get the uv space control points out of the trim curve |
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| 03:15.13 | dreeves__ | starseeker it is the outer curve |
| 03:15.52 | dreeves__ | all the loops after 0 are holes or inner loops |
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| 13:18.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34576 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/pscale.c: Include the command name in error messages. |
| 13:38.43 | brlcad | dreeves__: really? |
| 13:38.48 | brlcad | re-reads |
| 13:44.07 | brlcad | ahh, I see now, conventionally it is to be considered valid -- the structure doesn't require it, nor does Loop() and OuterLoop() scans also not caring .. but then IsValidFace() insists that [0] has m_type outer |
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| 17:33.22 | jdoliner | indian larry? |
| 17:47.56 | brlcad | jdoliner: howdy joe |
| 17:48.10 | brlcad | looks like you two just may finally be able to sync up :) |
| 17:48.24 | jdoliner | we've been emailing a bit... |
| 17:48.26 | brlcad | also, highlighting works much better if you don't inject a space ;) |
| 17:48.41 | jdoliner | indianlarry |
| 17:48.43 | indianlarry | jdoliner: hey joe how's it going |
| 17:48.51 | jdoliner | hi |
| 17:48.55 | brlcad | should be chattering on the brlcad-devel list if it's related to the task so others are aware of what's up/planned |
| 17:48.58 | ``Erik | rolls around and pops |
| 17:49.04 | brlcad | but good to hear regardless |
| 17:49.51 | brlcad | private chatter should really only be for time-tracking or personal issues |
| 17:49.52 | jdoliner | so I mentioned in my application that I have a slightly unorthodox school schedule |
| 17:50.16 | indianlarry | you plan on starting later in june? |
| 17:50.27 | jdoliner | I did originally |
| 17:50.48 | brlcad | what's your schedule look like now? |
| 17:50.57 | jdoliner | but my course load is such that I feel confident starting earlier |
| 17:51.09 | indianlarry | cool |
| 17:51.20 | ``Erik | what's unorthodox about scheduling the classes around the parties and co-scheduling sleep and study/homework? :D |
| 17:51.21 | jdoliner | I just might not be at quite full steam until early june |
| 17:52.03 | jdoliner | but I have a few logistic questions |
| 17:52.03 | ``Erik | neat, I made indianlarry "lol" |
| 17:52.26 | jdoliner | first where in the code base should my code go? |
| 17:54.45 | ``Erik | what about making it a command in src/libged/ ? |
| 17:55.05 | jdoliner | because all I plan to interact with is the openNurbs library |
| 17:55.39 | ``Erik | then how will you call it? |
| 17:56.27 | indianlarry | Erik mentioned that there is a facetize command that takes a CSG and creates a bot/nmg object |
| 17:56.59 | indianlarry | something like that for the csg evaluation would be a nice start |
| 17:58.05 | ``Erik | r nurbs.r u nurb1.s u nurb2.s; beval mynurb.r nurbs.r |
| 17:58.49 | jdoliner | well perhaps it's unfeasible, but what I meant by that is it'd be nice if the code was portable enough that other projects using openNurbs could run it |
| 17:59.25 | jdoliner | of course it'll interact by being called |
| 18:00.39 | indianlarry | brlcad: you listening |
| 18:01.09 | jdoliner | libged seems like the most obvious place to put this |
| 18:01.43 | jdoliner | since it seems to me like it's obviously part of the editor |
| 18:03.51 | ``Erik | *ponder* src/other/libbrepeval/ ? src/libged/brepeval/ ? src/libged/brep_eval_xxx.c (and lose coupling to the rest of libged) ? *shrug* |
| 18:05.13 | indianlarry | jdoliner: so you'll be finished by weeks end ;^)>>>>>> |
| 18:05.52 | ``Erik | (I'd imagine that the actual location of the code has little to do with the coupling to other stuff in the directory and the pertinent files could be easily pulled and used elsewhere?) |
| 18:06.01 | jdoliner | indianlarry: of course :P |
| 18:06.27 | jdoliner | ``Erik: true, these are really two different issues |
| 18:09.35 | starseeker | OK, so the trimming curves are nurbs curves, NOT bezier curves |
| 18:09.35 | starseeker | important to know |
| 18:09.55 | indianlarry | starseeker: in their own param space? |
| 18:11.00 | starseeker | In the param space of the surface they are in, if I'm not mistaken |
| 18:21.02 | brlcad | indianlarry: always, just not necessarily interactively ;) |
| 18:21.36 | brlcad | jdoliner: I'd expect libged to just be a wrapper to some (non-libged, probably librt) library routine |
| 18:21.54 | indianlarry | brlcad: i think joe is okay putting it into libged |
| 18:22.33 | brlcad | right, but that it doesn't really belong there |
| 18:22.49 | brlcad | libged ==> command |
| 18:23.00 | brlcad | there does need to be a command, but that routine is needed elsewhere too |
| 18:23.04 | indianlarry | librt? |
| 18:23.16 | indianlarry | other? |
| 18:23.19 | brlcad | yeah, means it belongs lower-level ala librt |
| 18:23.28 | brlcad | no, other is only for 3rd party codes that we don't maintain |
| 18:25.19 | brlcad | also while it will be nice to have it generalized for other packages, but that's certainly not the priority |
| 18:25.29 | brlcad | would be great to have but shouldn't hinder the goal |
| 18:25.34 | brlcad | integrating it as a facility for librt routines to use it is the priority focus |
| 18:25.50 | brlcad | so we can tessellate implicits reliably (for shaded displays) |
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| 18:39.41 | brlcad | jdoliner: the biggest implementation issue is dependency management, and what ends up being needed to make the evaluation work -- whether your implementation only depends on openNURBS or libbu or libbn or librt or some combination thereof |
| 18:40.53 | brlcad | a good similar example of integration (wrt libged) is the bot_smooth command, src/libged/bot_smooth.c which basically calls rt_bot_smooth() from librt |
| 18:52.34 | brlcad | starseeker: my stable here says .8 |
| 18:52.40 | starseeker | same here |
| 18:53.13 | brlcad | howdy madant |
| 19:00.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34578 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Add code to dump text summary of trimming curves - useful if there is interest in the exact nature of a particular trimming curve. |
| 19:00.25 | madant | hi brlcad |
| 19:01.16 | madant | seems like my laptop is gonna take more time to get fixed up.. i will have to think about installing debian on this p3 .. |
| 19:01.30 | madant | and so much work to do .. |
| 19:01.38 | madant | is scared |
| 19:01.51 | brlcad | no fun |
| 19:02.17 | madant | no fun at all.. i remember 2.5 hour compile time of brl-cad during last summer when i tried :( |
| 19:02.29 | brlcad | heh, that's aweful |
| 19:02.39 | brlcad | you'd be better on working remote on a fast server :) |
| 19:02.57 | brlcad | could probably arrange that |
| 19:03.15 | madant | that'd be aaaaaaaaawesome |
| 19:03.25 | brlcad | not quite as satisfying as hearing the laptop heat up, but certainly more productive :) |
| 19:03.34 | madant | would a 512 kbps connection be enough ? |
| 19:04.11 | brlcad | don't see why not |
| 19:04.27 | madant | great.. what do i need to do :) |
| 19:04.50 | brlcad | mm, i'll see if I can get an account created on something reasonably fast |
| 19:04.57 | brlcad | might take a day |
| 19:05.08 | madant | no problem.. i need to write much on the wiki before that .. |
| 19:05.54 | madant | how are my co-gsocers :) |
| 19:06.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34579 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (6 files in 5 dirs): separate out and define rt_ell_mirror() |
| 19:08.11 | brlcad | haven't heard much from pacman87 or Ralith lately, but the others seem to be getting prepared |
| 19:08.26 | Ralith | waves |
| 19:08.42 | brlcad | heh, yeah him :) |
| 19:08.55 | Ralith | school is taking a little more time than I had expected, unfortunately. That shouldn't be a problem for long though. |
| 19:09.06 | brlcad | when is the semester over? |
| 19:09.20 | Ralith | in about three weeks, but the workload will lighten before then. |
| 19:10.23 | madant | i wish everyone had the same time table.. |
| 19:10.28 | Ralith | yeah. |
| 19:10.30 | madant | well on second thoughts .. maybe not |
| 19:10.52 | madant | :) talk about too crowded travel destinations, internships .. the whole mess |
| 19:10.56 | Ralith | hehe |
| 19:11.16 | Ralith | actually, the only immediate time sink I have right now is a linear algebra take-home final. |
| 19:12.23 | madant | used to love matrices :) |
| 19:12.56 | Ralith | I've found the course to be very fun. |
| 19:12.58 | madant | what's the final topic in ur linear algebra course ? |
| 19:13.11 | Ralith | lots of neat stuff even at the entry level |
| 19:13.13 | Ralith | final topic? |
| 19:13.18 | Ralith | uhhhh |
| 19:13.32 | Ralith | the final itself covers the whole course, but the last topic I studied was... |
| 19:13.34 | madant | i meant the last major section .. whatever you call it :) |
| 19:14.23 | Ralith | quadratic forms |
| 19:15.48 | Ralith | ocrap, looks like google still needs some paperwork from me. |
| 19:16.07 | madant | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.12 | Ralith | not yet |
| 19:16.18 | Ralith | really needs to keep better track of his email |
| 19:16.18 | madant | ah.. |
| 19:16.47 | madant | remembers his last lecture in Linear Algebra was on SVD |
| 19:17.47 | madant | i guess we all just got the acm mail just now |
| 19:17.53 | madant | i mean the gsoc students |
| 19:43.28 | brlcad | the schedules can be flexible, but we just have to make sure that the timelines and goals match up or are shifted accordingly (especially if less work earlier is going to be compensated with more work later), otherwise reducing goals to match effort |
| 19:43.40 | brlcad | so when midterm comes, we can make sure everyone is 100% ;) |
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| 19:46.29 | Ralith | iirc, the time intervals I allocated are pessimistic enough that that might not be necessary (yet, anyway) |
| 19:46.55 | Ralith | 'course, we'll see how that stands when the code starts flowing. |
| 19:51.55 | ``Erik | ralith: every coder says that :D |
| 19:52.11 | Ralith | hehe |
| 19:52.14 | Ralith | thought that might be the case. |
| 19:53.03 | Ralith | still, I have a tendency to, given a solid block of free time, take a problem, sit down, and grind my way through it in an allnighter or two |
| 19:57.49 | Ralith | I love LaTeX. |
| 19:58.44 | ``Erik | whoa whoa whoa, we don't need to know about your bedroom activities, there! |
| 19:58.59 | ``Erik | \documentclass{badjoke} |
| 19:59.15 | Ralith | :P |
| 19:59.55 | ``Erik | (which is probably why it's pronounced luh-TEK... UNIX embraced the jokes, though...) |
| 20:00.22 | Ralith | I thought it was lah-tek |
| 20:00.32 | ``Erik | lah, luh, whatever |
| 20:00.49 | brlcad | Ralith: remember to leave ample time for discussion |
| 20:01.06 | Ralith | interestingly, I read that the author(s) have no position on its pronounciation. |
| 20:01.32 | brlcad | that's often not included in estimates, but particularly relevant for gsoc work as the communication is argubly the primary product |
| 20:02.10 | ``Erik | hm, of which, LaTeX or TeX? there's some inherited pronounciation going on |
| 20:02.25 | Ralith | brlcad: point. There are times when discussion is of minimal necessity, though; I doubt there's need to debate very much of, for example, the how to hook Qt into OGRE, simply because there's probably only a few ways. |
| 20:02.29 | Ralith | ``Erik: the former. |
| 20:02.36 | Ralith | TeX has a well defined pronunciation. |
| 20:03.28 | ``Erik | mebbe the lah/luh/lay part is where no position comes in, and TeX's is assumed for the latter part? *shrug* |
| 20:03.34 | ``Erik | nerd etymology, pheer |
| 20:03.40 | Ralith | hehe |
| 20:03.46 | Ralith | metanerdiness! |
| 20:04.30 | ``Erik | yes, do include things like communication, documentation, etc in the estimations |
| 20:05.38 | brlcad | Ralith: true, plus much of the discussion and design is already sorted out in prototype form via IOE |
| 20:05.42 | ``Erik | heh, what's the (industry) heuristic? guess how long it'll take, double that for the surprises, double it again for all the other crap? O:-) |
| 20:06.06 | brlcad | but if there are unclear points (e.g. on IOE or appearance/behavior), then those should generally at least be commented on |
| 20:06.07 | Ralith | double it until you get bored. |
| 20:06.10 | Ralith | well sure |
| 20:06.25 | Ralith | that's what IRC's here for ^^ |
| 20:07.49 | ``Erik | irc's for hashing stuff out or asking questions, but the answer should probably be written up in a more useful fashion for searching or getting an overview, no? |
| 20:07.53 | brlcad | i'll just be happy if it's an empty shell that does absolutely nothing except has all the framework hooks in for new command bindings, tabbed contexts, the menu, and appearance/bindings working :) |
| 20:08.18 | Ralith | appearance/bindings? |
| 20:08.28 | Ralith | would be happy with that too. |
| 20:08.32 | brlcad | the custom apperance overrides |
| 20:08.42 | Ralith | would then be even happier to hook it up to things after SoC's over :D |
| 20:09.05 | Ralith | I don't recall hearing/talking about that |
| 20:09.07 | brlcad | if you recall in IOE, there are some universal keybindings (to bring up the command-prompt overlay for example) and some context specific bindings (e.g., go to end of line) |
| 20:09.13 | Ralith | yeah |
| 20:10.02 | brlcad | making it "look" like IOE or similar to it will be work in itself (as default Qt appearance is rather not useful) |
| 20:10.19 | brlcad | other than a starting point |
| 20:11.40 | brlcad | inheriting from their tabbed widget, for example, so it can be drawn cleanly integrated with the opengl context |
| 20:12.09 | brlcad | (ala stellarium's inherited widgets) |
| 20:13.03 | Ralith | hm, tabbing's an interesting problem there |
| 20:13.28 | Ralith | oh hey |
| 20:13.33 | Ralith | it supports nested OpenGL contexts |
| 20:13.36 | Ralith | so that would actually work fine |
| 20:13.51 | Ralith | (iirc; I remember seeing an impressive demo of something of the sort) |
| 20:16.32 | Ralith | afks for a couple hours |
| 20:16.59 | Ralith | hm, not sure how that would work out with Ogre. |
| 20:17.04 | Ralith | probably wouldn't. might need some fancy code there. |
| 20:17.11 | brlcad | I think the most important pieces to the interface 'framework' are going to be a command terminal, a debug output/logging console (perhaps one in the same), then the command overlay, followed by switchable (tabbed) contexts, the 3D context, then the menu ... but that's off the cuff |
| 20:17.28 | brlcad | ogre is just handed a graphics context and goes to town rendering in that context |
| 20:17.37 | brlcad | you're not using ogre to create the window or the graphics context |
| 20:17.49 | brlcad | one of it's lower-level initialization paths iirc |
| 20:18.11 | Ralith | yeah, but I'm not sure how that works out with the tabbed contexts |
| 20:18.27 | Ralith | will discuss more later; I'm about to be late to a class. |
| 20:18.28 | brlcad | you're a qt app with ogre embedded, not an ogre app with qt widgets embedded |
| 20:18.34 | brlcad | okay, cya ;) |
| 20:20.57 | brlcad | as for tabbed contexts, you'll probably need some sort of context+content manager so when a given tab is activated, it simple tells ogre to render a different scene graph (which may be nothing) and draws its overlay for that tab widget directly to the ogl context |
| 20:21.30 | brlcad | (so there's still just one ogl context ever, but you keep track of what gets drawn to that context with some manager class) |
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| 20:29.19 | indianlarry | cd |
| 20:38.55 | ``Erik | steps down from his screen soap box before indianlarry stomps him |
| 20:39.37 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:51.29 | starseeker | well, chased him out anyway ;-) |
| 20:56.34 | ``Erik | nah, I just told him the 3 commands he'll use when he starts using it and suggested stealing someones hardstatus line |
| 20:56.48 | ``Erik | did a little d&p show |
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| 21:32.17 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.21 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:13.03 | Ralith | returns! |
| 22:13.11 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:13.21 | brlcad | goes to see the new terminator |
| 22:14.12 | Ralith | enjoy |
| 22:14.25 | brlcad | hopefully not teh suck |
| 22:14.45 | starseeker | crosses fingers |
| 23:06.28 | madant | crosses fingers and toes |
| 23:19.07 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 23:19.19 | ``Erik | guesses it's just a bunch of action, no story |
| 23:26.05 | madant | thinks or worse little action and no story |
| 23:28.00 | ``Erik | they showed a 5 minute clip of the movie during some show I was watching a few days ago, seemed like they were pretty big on action from that (naturally, they picked the most "action-packed" part, though) |
| 23:34.42 | madant | trailers are always misleading ;) |
| 23:35.02 | madant | oops..5 minute clip..not trailer.. |
| 23:35.21 | madant | ok must be good for the eyes then .. |
| 23:46.13 | ``Erik | some big assault by the humans on a robot station, a10's and helicoptors all over, made a big point about a terminator unit that got knocked down being landed on by a helicoptor (skid crushing part of it) and one of the guys that jumped out putting two rounds in its skulls so its eyes go out |
| 23:46.43 | ``Erik | I have no context as to what part it is, but *shrug* I imagine it wouldn't matter in that flick :D |
| 00:05.33 | Ralith | hasn't terminator always been about lots of action and minimal story? |
| 00:05.51 | Ralith | its unabashed approach to that has always been one of its good points, I thought. |
| 00:06.42 | ``Erik | well, pretty much, but the first one sorta kinda had a nifty paradoxical story as the setup |
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| 00:15.41 | dreeves__ | brlcad I believe so I have seen that documented somewhere in the opennurbs stuff so just to make sure we are talking about the same thing we are talking about trim loops |
| 00:16.36 | dreeves__ | each face loop has it own set of trim loops and the first is an outer (trim) loop and the higher increments are inner (holes) loops |
| 00:26.07 | Ralith | one thing I don't get |
| 00:26.29 | Ralith | the first(?) terminator shouldn't have been melted down |
| 00:26.35 | Ralith | because time travel |
| 00:26.46 | Ralith | it'd have known that it would have been futile. |
| 00:40.14 | ``Erik | nifty, the did a testdrive of my car today, they just need to get some codes reset and clean it up for me |
| 00:40.18 | ``Erik | might have it back tomorrie |
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| 02:51.18 | brlcad | dreeves__: yeah, I confirmed shortly afterwards in my follow-up comments too |
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| 03:18.17 | yukonbob | brlcad: consesus on Terminator? |
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| 14:00.41 | brlcad | ~dict consesus |
| 14:01.00 | brlcad | yukonbob: it was okay, I liked it better than 3 |
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| 14:36.07 | ``Erik | *grumble* |
| 14:43.12 | _clock__ | ~dict definition |
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| 15:48.03 | madant | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 15:48.19 | hippieindamakin8 | hey madant :) |
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| 17:50.21 | madant | hippieindamakin8, sorry was out . dinner.. how are things . where are you ? bangalore ? |
| 17:50.47 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, still in kanpur dude , |
| 17:51.05 | madant | oh. i thought you were going to bangalore for some days ? |
| 17:53.02 | hippieindamakin8 | madant, i shall in june and july. too much of work here :| . btw none of my friends are in town either, i ll get bored sitting at home all day long ;) |
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| 21:29.56 | mafm | sup cadheads |
| 21:30.01 | mafm | gsoc heating up :P |
| 22:13.06 | starseeker | dreeves__: Could you newton iterate over the trimming curve to find the closest point? |
| 22:17.37 | starseeker | hmm: http://tog.acm.org/GraphicsGems/gems/NearestPoint.c |
| 22:18.51 | starseeker | There is a routine in there called MakePiecewiseBezier, iirc... |
| 22:20.06 | starseeker | "All code here can be used without restrictions." http://tog.acm.org/GraphicsGems/ |
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| 23:20.46 | pacman87_ | is waiting in line for graduation :) |
| 23:21.12 | pacman87_ | been out of touch for a while |
| 23:21.18 | madant | is waiting to listen to Micarelli's interlude :P |
| 23:22.11 | madant | not literally typing from a line are you ? |
| 23:22.31 | pacman87_ | i've been trying to get three monitors woeking with one nvidia card and one ati |
| 23:22.59 | pacman87_ | and yes, typing in line :) |
| 23:23.26 | madant | only thinks about how to resuscitate his laptop and desktop and has forgotten about monitors |
| 23:23.50 | pacman87_ | ipod touch + wifi + ssh + screen + irssi |
| 23:24.02 | madant | sweet :) |
| 23:24.12 | pacman87_ | yup :$ |
| 23:24.14 | pacman87_ | :) |
| 23:25.24 | madant | kinda makes scenes from the big bang theory noob-level :P |
| 23:27.18 | pacman87_ | my gf introduced me to that show, i love it |
| 23:47.09 | madant | thinks his sense of humour has been too traumatized by southpark to enjoy sitcoms |
| 23:48.15 | madant | though "accidentally" watching an epsiode of Numb3rs never fails to almost choke me to death with laughter :D |
| 00:04.07 | ``Erik | O. |
| 00:04.09 | ``Erik | O.o even |
| 00:04.32 | ``Erik | I either watch "stupid comedy" or throw it on one of the history channels |
| 00:13.26 | yukonbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.27 | yukonbob | feh |
| 00:15.02 | ``Erik | 15? sheesh |
| 00:15.19 | ``Erik | I tend to stack slower channels into the same window |
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| 01:12.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Fixed a bug where a Ray missing a BoxNode resultsed in a NPE. |
| 01:12.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Added support for vertex normal averaging in PreppedTriangle. (jBrlcad now raytraces Sean's SMOOTHBOT correctly, although about an order of magnitude slower than brl-cad) |
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| 02:26.52 | madant | heh.. long read http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200906/happiness |
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| 16:25.11 | jdoliner | the game is afoot! |
| 17:14.18 | jdoliner | brlcad |
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| 17:37.07 | brlcad | jdoliner: heh woo hoo! |
| 17:37.26 | jdoliner | woo hoo |
| 17:38.04 | jdoliner | okay I've succesfully added a file in librt and I have it working with the makefile |
| 17:38.20 | jdoliner | so that's one small accomplishment |
| 17:39.17 | jdoliner | my first step is to add in additional polynomial functionality |
| 17:39.25 | jdoliner | I've looked around in poly.c |
| 17:40.05 | jdoliner | and it certainly needs to be extended for what I'm doing |
| 17:40.24 | jdoliner | but I wanted to make sure there weren't some polynomial functions hiding somewhere else that I wasn't finding |
| 17:40.38 | jdoliner | particularly do you have anything for computing sturm sequences? |
| 17:50.13 | brlcad | numerics generally do get generalized and separated out into libbn (brl-cad numerics library) |
| 17:50.30 | brlcad | librt's poly.c is in flux, moving to libbn |
| 17:51.12 | brlcad | madant's sf patch takes care of it, just haven't fully finished testing it yet (anything that affects ray-tracing has to go through more extensive testing) |
| 17:51.50 | brlcad | I don't think we have anything specific to sturm, but should rummage around and survey what's in libbn regardless |
| 17:52.20 | brlcad | as well as src/other/tnt |
| 17:52.57 | brlcad | that latter has more specific routines various vector/matrix operations |
| 17:54.15 | jdoliner | okay and this also seems to suggest that I should put sturm's work in libbn |
| 17:54.45 | brlcad | what exactly is it? |
| 17:55.20 | jdoliner | it's an efficient way to compute the number of roots of a multivariate polynomial |
| 17:55.41 | brlcad | no I mean implementation-wise |
| 17:55.42 | jdoliner | and it's good for giving you and idea where they are |
| 17:56.12 | brlcad | exists as a set of C-functions, or just the general technique itself? |
| 17:56.18 | jdoliner | it works like a euclidean algorithm taking successive remainders from polynomial division |
| 17:56.20 | brlcad | i.e. something you'd need to implement |
| 17:56.26 | jdoliner | which you guys do have |
| 17:56.34 | jdoliner | I noticed there's polynomial division |
| 17:56.40 | brlcad | yes |
| 17:56.45 | jdoliner | but remainders can be computed faster by not dividing |
| 17:56.57 | jdoliner | and in this case the speed boost is needed |
| 17:58.03 | brlcad | because you have run some tests and encountered a performance problem? :) |
| 17:58.19 | jdoliner | I haven't run any tests personally |
| 17:58.29 | jdoliner | I've been reading the literature from other projects though |
| 17:58.49 | brlcad | then claiming a 'need' for speed is bogus :) |
| 17:59.12 | brlcad | not that a speedup wouldn't be nice, it's always nice, but it also might not matter -- lot of other factors |
| 17:59.55 | jdoliner | that's true |
| 18:00.24 | jdoliner | well then perhaps the most prudent thing is to implement sturm sequences using the old routine (in a wrapper) |
| 18:00.38 | jdoliner | and then we'll see how long it takes when we do some real life tests |
| 18:00.48 | brlcad | case in point, I actually had an inclination that our poly solver was slow so it was isolated and direclty compared against every other solver implementation I could get my hands on (which was about 9 at the time) |
| 18:01.38 | brlcad | turned out that our solver implementation actually outperformed all of them with same results (a couple came within 10%) |
| 18:01.47 | brlcad | which was flat out surprising frankly |
| 18:02.42 | brlcad | so yeah, I'd just wrap it if that's quickest -- and make it easy enough to refactor out if it turns out to be an issue |
| 18:03.59 | brlcad | should be able to test that pretty earily on if you're set on using sturm sequences in the first place |
| 18:04.21 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 18:05.10 | jdoliner | and I have a general idea of how high a degree of polynomials we need to be able to solve efficiently |
| 18:09.18 | brlcad | high-degree polynomials might outright make libbn unsuitable (at least librt's newtonian-based solver) |
| 18:09.39 | brlcad | keep an eye out for validity if you jack up the compile-time limite |
| 18:13.19 | jdoliner | k |
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| 20:47.16 | starseeker | brlcad: Here's that durable paper I was talking about for BRL-CAD cheat sheets: http://www.xerox.com/Static_HTML/never_tear/index.shtml |
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| 20:50.20 | ``Erik | make it work, then make it fast |
| 22:51.08 | starseeker | ``Erik: hmm? |
| 22:51.28 | starseeker | oh, you mean jdoliner's solver? |
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| 19:14.30 | pacman87_ | my cousin died last week, funeral is monday, so i'll be out of touch until tuesday |
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| 19:31.03 | brlcad | take all the time you need, family first |
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| 21:47.14 | ``Erik | ugh, sorry to hear it, pacman :( |
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| 01:45.42 | dli | failed in building 7.14.8, http://pastebin.ca/1433409 |
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| 02:27.30 | brlcad | dli: you're libX11 is apparently dependent upon some other library that you don't have |
| 02:27.47 | dli | brlcad, thanks :( |
| 02:28.01 | dli | brlcad, does brlcad uses xcb? |
| 02:30.40 | brlcad | nope |
| 02:30.49 | brlcad | that has nothing to do with us, just your libX11 |
| 02:31.12 | dli | brlcad, that answer my question, thanks |
| 02:31.25 | brlcad | a bit unusual that it's linking against /usr/lib64/libX11.a |
| 02:31.55 | dli | brlcad, should be a gentoo issue. |
| 02:31.59 | brlcad | normally would be a dynamic library |
| 02:32.03 | brlcad | a .so |
| 02:32.17 | dli | brlcad, yes, but I got a static libX11.a |
| 02:33.23 | brlcad | obviously |
| 02:33.29 | brlcad | that's what I'm saying is unusual |
| 02:33.54 | dli | brlcad, gentoo doesn't give me a choice, seems to be the default |
| 02:34.01 | brlcad | very likely related to the unresolved symbols |
| 02:34.22 | brlcad | eh, that not the case on my gentoo boxes |
| 02:35.26 | dli | brlcad, ah, I have both from the libX11 package: /usr/lib64/libX11.so /usr/lib64/libX11.la |
| 02:35.59 | brlcad | then even more odd that it'd be linking in /usr/lib64/libX11.a instead of /usr/lib64/libX11.so -- that's not the compiler default |
| 02:36.20 | brlcad | /usr/lib64/libX11.la can override but it would only do so if told to try to link something static |
| 02:37.25 | brlcad | actually.. it looks like you did force the build to static |
| 02:37.35 | brlcad | what were your configure options? |
| 02:37.39 | dli | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.40 | dli | usr/share/brlcad --with-tag --disable-debug --enable-optimized --enable-debug=no --enable-runtime-debug=no --with-ogl |
| 02:39.48 | dli | brlcad, that's all :( |
| 02:40.46 | brlcad | --with-tag?? |
| 02:41.02 | dli | brlcad, I can remove that |
| 02:41.11 | brlcad | --disable-debug is redundant with --enable-debug=no |
| 02:41.29 | dli | brlcad, yes, I can clean up with that |
| 02:41.57 | brlcad | slim to nil chance that --enable-nx-build will do anything useful for you |
| 02:42.46 | dli | brlcad, but still why static :( |
| 02:42.49 | brlcad | unless you dished out the 10k to siemens for a license.. |
| 02:43.49 | dli | removed those options |
| 02:45.53 | brlcad | hard to say really, but having too many and unnecessary options does complicate the tests |
| 02:46.17 | brlcad | did the configure summary say it was only going to build static? |
| 02:46.19 | dli | brlcad, forget it, I did "revdep-rebuild", found lots of broken linking to xcb |
| 02:46.40 | brlcad | well that just means you have two problems :) |
| 02:46.49 | dli | brlcad, let me try again with with the new configure options |
| 02:46.52 | brlcad | libX11.a should be linkable, that's a separate issue |
| 02:47.01 | brlcad | it shouldn't be linking static, though .. that'll be a huge compile |
| 02:47.18 | brlcad | read the configure summary -- it'll say whether it'll build shared/dynamic libs |
| 02:47.40 | brlcad | Build static libraries ...............: yes |
| 02:47.42 | dli | brlcad, scanelf: rpath_security_checks(): Security problem NULL DT_RPATH in /var/tmp/portage/sci-misc/brlcad-7.14.8/image/usr/brlcad/bin/fedex_plus |
| 02:47.46 | brlcad | Build shared/dynamic libraries .......: yes |
| 02:48.41 | brlcad | fedex is a new external code -- nothing uses it yet |
| 02:49.00 | brlcad | part of the new step importer (which is incomplete) |
| 02:49.17 | dli | brlcad, I have to disable it explicitly, then |
| 02:51.08 | brlcad | pretty easily done |
| 02:51.21 | dli | brlcad, didn't find in ./configure --help |
| 02:51.30 | brlcad | --disable-step-build |
| 02:52.01 | brlcad | all your --enable-*=no options are the same as --disable-* |
| 02:52.21 | dli | brlcad, thanks, I will clean up those too |
| 02:53.17 | dli | brlcad, so, --enable*=yes, the '=yes' part can be omitted too |
| 02:54.15 | brlcad | heh, yes |
| 02:54.23 | brlcad | technically those are just wrong |
| 02:54.45 | dli | brlcad, good, rebuilding now |
| 02:56.05 | brlcad | is there a reason you don't just try the default configure first? see if that works? |
| 02:56.31 | dli | brlcad, just "./configure" ? |
| 02:56.39 | brlcad | sure |
| 02:56.49 | dli | brlcad, I remember brlcad messed up my sys /usr/lib badly:( |
| 02:57.01 | brlcad | nope |
| 02:57.10 | brlcad | --prefix=/usr did that |
| 02:57.18 | dli | brlcad, so, I moved everything to /usr/brlcad |
| 02:57.19 | brlcad | that's why it tells you to not do that |
| 02:57.35 | brlcad | default is to install *everything* isolated into /usr/brlcad |
| 02:57.40 | dli | brlcad, I guess the software changed since then |
| 02:57.49 | brlcad | no, it's always been that way |
| 02:58.07 | brlcad | you fed it a prefix, common mistake |
| 02:58.40 | dli | brlcad, I think gentoo scripts add --prefix=/usr by default |
| 02:59.02 | brlcad | possibly, but that still wouldn't be our configure doing it :) |
| 02:59.48 | dli | brlcad, yes, indeed, my config.log shows: --prefix=/usr --prefix=/usr/brlcad |
| 02:59.55 | brlcad | it's one of our specific design philosophies to install isolated into /usr/brlcad |
| 03:00.42 | dli | brlcad, I see, all gentoo ebuilds tried to use default configure, but ended up with --prefix=/usr by gentoo |
| 03:01.16 | brlcad | there's a ebuild option to set that |
| 03:02.24 | brlcad | no matter, if you just "reset" the prefix like you did, it should be fine |
| 03:02.58 | brlcad | it's the mess of others that make things more complicated than they need to be |
| 03:03.18 | brlcad | unless you're specifically creating a new ebuild for portage, it's unnecessary |
| 03:05.13 | dli | brlcad, found it, --prefix=/usr is added by "econf", I should use ./configure instead |
| 03:06.16 | dli | brlcad, does the default configure do /usr/lib64 instead of /usr/lib ? |
| 03:09.36 | brlcad | "do"? |
| 03:10.10 | dli | brlcad, sets to /usr/lib64 instead of /usr/lib ? |
| 03:10.19 | brlcad | sets what? |
| 03:10.41 | brlcad | brlcad will install libs into /usr/brlcad |
| 03:10.53 | brlcad | /usr/brlcad/lib to be specific |
| 03:11.07 | brlcad | what it'll *use* depends on your system |
| 03:11.20 | dli | brlcad, then, it doesn't matter /usr/brlcad/lib or /usr/brlcad/lib64, I need to set LDPATH those myself |
| 03:11.21 | brlcad | you had no configure options telling it what to use |
| 03:11.38 | dli | brlcad, thanks, let me try again |
| 03:11.53 | brlcad | right, you don't even need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 03:12.02 | brlcad | unless you plan on developing brl-cad applications |
| 03:12.09 | brlcad | and even then you don't need it |
| 03:12.27 | dli | brlcad, good, my ebuild is much cleaner now |
| 03:14.22 | dli | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.17 | dli | no, I don't need --datadir either |
| 03:18.29 | brlcad | seriously, why so many? |
| 03:18.34 | brlcad | get it working first |
| 03:18.41 | brlcad | then add all those insane options :) |
| 03:18.49 | brlcad | many of those do absolutely nothing |
| 03:18.54 | brlcad | as they are the default |
| 03:19.28 | brlcad | two of them are strongly not recommended and will even likely cause you problems .. yet you've added them .. |
| 03:19.35 | brlcad | (the last two) |
| 03:20.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34582 10/brlcad/trunk/INSTALL: minor typo |
| 03:43.52 | dli | brlcad, I got 7.14.8 running now, thanks |
| 03:51.40 | brlcad | cool |
| 03:52.07 | brlcad | tutorials on the website ;) |
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| 08:26.33 | elena | hi |
| 08:54.01 | brlcad | g'morning elena |
| 09:02.45 | elena | hi brlcad. how are you? |
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| 09:33.32 | brlcad | elena: great, nice long weekend in effect |
| 10:08.00 | elena | brlcad: it's still sunday there? |
| 10:56.03 | ``Erik | no, GMT-5 |
| 10:58.32 | ``Erik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day is the long weekend part he's referring to, I'd imagine :) |
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| 12:45.29 | brlcad | plus I think I need to take leave tomorrow |
| 12:49.40 | ``Erik | ah |
| 12:50.02 | ``Erik | when is ellie getting the facelift? |
| 12:55.49 | brlcad | have to give them a call -- it was 'today' but mischeduled (as they're not open) and tomorrow looks like a no-go if I'm out of state still |
| 13:01.52 | ``Erik | heh |
| 13:01.57 | ``Erik | is still waiting for his car back |
| 13:02.03 | ``Erik | mebbe I'll call it... bertha... or helga... |
| 13:02.28 | ``Erik | most likely, "a car" |
| 13:05.50 | ``Erik | brunhilde? |
| 13:09.11 | ``Erik | ah, I got it, curbeater... no, wait |
| 14:06.27 | brlcad | curbie |
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| 14:07.15 | brlcad | elle is probably going to get dirty this week |
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| 17:21.13 | elena | hi madant |
| 17:29.41 | brlcad | nifty, http://john.freml.in/ |
| 17:38.43 | madant_ | hi elena, brlcad :) |
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| 18:10.26 | ``Erik | BAH! |
| 18:10.30 | ``Erik | going offroading with it? |
| 18:17.26 | brlcad | rain/storms dirty wet roads |
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| 18:45.53 | mafm | US Army Will Upgrade To Windows Vista -- http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/GvZgt_xa43I/article.pl |
| 18:46.07 | mafm | hope that doesn't affect you, poor cadheads :) |
| 18:55.09 | alex_joni | mafm: ouch |
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| 19:44.37 | jdoliner | what on earth do "discards qualifiers" arguments mean? |
| 19:46.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r34583 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/numerics/Matrix.java: mult() method was ignoring scale!!!!! |
| 19:46.28 | jdoliner | i'm getting one when I try: line.from = |
| 19:46.33 | jdoliner | line.from = point; |
| 19:56.12 | brlcad | const is a qualifier |
| 19:56.44 | brlcad | setting a non-const pointer to a const pointer discards that qualifier |
| 20:01.54 | jdoliner | oh I see, I had my output parameter set as a constant |
| 20:01.58 | jdoliner | which is no good at all |
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| 21:53.19 | Ralith | mafm: oh wow |
| 21:55.35 | brlcad | ahh, darn. found my backups of jason's brep work, and unfortunately my recolllections were correct in that there was no piston model there |
| 22:04.30 | starseeker | brlcad: ouch |
| 22:04.46 | starseeker | virtues of using open models as test cases :-) |
| 22:05.21 | starseeker | wonders if the siggraph guys forgot this was a holiday weekend when they put together the poster submission timeline |
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| 23:07.07 | starseeker | downloads this small, fast webserver called teepeedee2 |
| 23:10.49 | starseeker | ``Erik: looks like uncommon web may have another application to borg into its list of required libs ;-) |
| 00:03.13 | mafm | a webserver in lisp... I feel a strong disturbance in the force, as if 1 billion souls ceased to be |
| 00:03.18 | mafm | ;) |
| 00:55.41 | ``Erik | shush, you... my thumb screams that this is tomorrow |
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| 06:03.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34584 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (6 files in 6 dirs): |
| 06:03.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: indicate that all of the step libs shouldn't be version-managed by libtool so |
| 06:03.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: that it doesn't create bogus/meaningless version suffixes. add -avoid-version |
| 06:03.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: -no-undefined to hint libtool accordingly. this is in response to sf (build |
| 06:03.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: system) bug 2796656 from pedro (incorrect numbering of shared libraries). |
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| 10:49.37 | d-lo | Mernin all!! |
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| 11:31.25 | elena | hi |
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| 11:51.56 | louipc | woo |
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| 13:14.38 | ``Erik | yargh, matey, shiver me timbers |
| 13:17.14 | d-lo | avast! |
| 13:22.43 | brlcad | arr. |
| 13:38.34 | ``Erik | and it's not even sept 19th |
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| 13:53.27 | starseeker | brlcad: autoreconf is failing on the mac with that last commit |
| 14:01.28 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, I got a mail, just haven't got a build failure here yet to see what fix is needed |
| 14:02.06 | brlcad | probably the addition of -no-unresolved |
| 14:02.24 | brlcad | which means those libs are missing dependencies/libadd declarations |
| 14:02.52 | starseeker | src/express/Makefile.am:50: linker flags such as `-avoid-version' belong in `libexpress_nil_la_LDFLAGS |
| 14:03.09 | brlcad | ah, oops |
| 14:03.12 | brlcad | that's a trivial fix |
| 14:04.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34585 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/express/Makefile.am: this file swapped the var ordering on one of the libs, flags go on FLAGS |
| 14:06.19 | brlcad | effectively a typo |
| 14:06.23 | starseeker | yep, that got it |
| 14:06.37 | starseeker | thanks :-) |
| 14:07.01 | brlcad | might still fail during compile because of no-undefined, that I couldn't test |
| 14:07.10 | brlcad | and is platform-specific |
| 14:07.37 | starseeker | will try |
| 14:10.08 | starseeker | yeah, build failed |
| 14:12.25 | brlcad | has to take elle in to the doctor, back after lunch |
| 14:12.37 | starseeker | winces |
| 14:12.40 | starseeker | ok, luck! |
| 14:12.54 | starseeker | feels his wallet flinching in sympathy |
| 14:15.55 | brlcad | it's all covered |
| 14:18.04 | starseeker | ah, that's nice :-) |
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| 14:41.42 | pieromorelli | hi everybody, I am a newby of brlcad. Question: is there an extensive documentation for mged commands? |
| 14:51.15 | starseeker | see this for a start: http://brlcad.org/w/images/c/cf/Introduction_to_MGED.pdf |
| 14:51.46 | pieromorelli | already done... I was looking for something more complete... |
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| 14:57.53 | starseeker | the appendex to that volume is probably the most complete command list at the moment |
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| 17:17.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34586 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/librt/librt.vcproj: Update windows build (i.e. add source files to build). |
| 17:25.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34587 10/brlcad/trunk/ (10 files in 6 dirs): Added ptranslate to libged for primitive attribute translation. Used by libtclcad and Archer. |
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| 18:29.11 | brlcad | howdy jdoliner |
| 18:29.19 | brlcad | twice over :) |
| 19:02.29 | brlcad | mutters "MGED Command Guide" to starseeker :) |
| 19:02.35 | brlcad | collection of manual pages for all commands |
| 19:02.42 | brlcad | the in-mged help probably would have helped him too |
| 19:08.39 | starseeker | er, yeah |
| 19:08.54 | starseeker | hangs head in shame |
| 19:15.08 | brlcad | pwd |
| 19:19.44 | starseeker | print working directory? |
| 19:20.37 | brlcad | ~ww |
| 19:20.37 | ibot | Wrong window pansie |
| 19:25.38 | brlcad | hm, tcl/tk is installing with bad permissions |
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| 00:18.07 | pacman87_ | 8fglrx wiki |
| 00:18.18 | pacman87_ | wrong keyboard |
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| 00:35.45 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: ping |
| 00:36.55 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: you pasted http://pastebin.com/mba1c04e ? :P |
| 00:37.15 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: if you did, did you solve it? :P |
| 00:37.19 | pacman87_ | SRabbelier: yeah |
| 00:37.30 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: (do you happen to have a Lenovo laptop? :P) |
| 00:37.41 | pacman87_ | no, home-built desktop |
| 00:38.17 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: ok, how did you fix the error? :D |
| 00:38.43 | pacman87_ | http://pastebin.com/f38ca14ee |
| 00:39.05 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: win, where'd you find that? :P |
| 00:39.11 | pacman87_ | |
| 00:39.24 | pacman87_ | from the phoronix forums, i think |
| 00:39.41 | pacman87_ | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15165 |
| 00:39.48 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: cool, where do I apply the patches to though? I mean, where are the sources stored? |
| 00:40.00 | pacman87_ | you tried running the install script? |
| 00:40.04 | pacman87_ | and it failed? |
| 00:40.50 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: well, I tried running the ati-driver-installer-9-5-x86.x86_64.run |
| 00:41.16 | pacman87_ | ok, the sources should be in /lib/modules/fglrx |
| 00:41.26 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: and after running it my x11 woulnd't start, so I reverted the xorg.conf, and checked /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log |
| 00:42.19 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: ah, let me try the make_install.sh manually, see if it's what the ati-driver... thing is using |
| 00:42.37 | pacman87_ | it is, and it failed for me |
| 00:42.39 | SRabbelier | ah, yup |
| 00:42.48 | SRabbelier | the build_mod/make.sh one too |
| 00:42.53 | pacman87_ | right |
| 00:42.58 | pacman87_ | you have to make the changes first |
| 00:43.06 | SRabbelier | right |
| 00:44.47 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: mhhh, the patch doesn't apply http://pastebin.com/d111d9d76 |
| 00:45.14 | pacman87_ | did you try it? |
| 00:45.37 | pacman87_ | build_mod/make.sh first |
| 00:45.55 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: oh wait, you're right, I saw a whole bunch of warnings, thought it was the same error as first |
| 00:46.08 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: instant win! |
| 00:46.18 | pacman87_ | do you know how do get dual head working? |
| 00:46.23 | pacman87_ | that's what i'm stuck on atm |
| 00:46.48 | pacman87_ | without xinerama, the second screen is all black, and the mouse goes to an X when i move to it |
| 00:46.49 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: I was hoping the cataclist centre would help there |
| 00:47.03 | pacman87_ | not really |
| 00:47.22 | SRabbelier | :( |
| 00:47.23 | pacman87_ | i was hoping there'd be documentation for how to do the xorg.conf |
| 00:47.35 | pacman87_ | but my google skills are failing me |
| 00:49.38 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: bummer |
| 00:49.47 | SRabbelier | brb, restarting X |
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| 00:55.55 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: no go :( |
| 00:56.04 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: I get the same X11 errors |
| 00:57.21 | pacman87_ | is the fglrx module loaded? |
| 00:57.29 | pacman87_ | lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 00:57.31 | SRabbelier | nope xD |
| 00:57.39 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: doesn't ./make_install.sh install it? |
| 00:58.00 | pacman87_ | yeah, but it doesn't load it |
| 00:58.24 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: ah, ok, I successfully insmodded the module |
| 00:58.38 | pacman87_ | and? |
| 00:58.47 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: I don't know till I kill x again will I :P |
| 00:58.58 | SRabbelier | goes for another murder |
| 00:59.03 | pacman87_ | crosses fingers |
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| 01:03.08 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: no win |
| 01:03.20 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: http://pastebin.com/d6848063c :( |
| 01:03.58 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: and there's actually a /dev/dri/card0 now |
| 01:06.11 | SRabbelier | goes try http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/unable-to-start-x-after-installing-fglrx-669163/#post3277660 |
| 01:06.13 | SRabbelier | brb again! |
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| 01:15.15 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: instant win! |
| 01:15.20 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:15.36 | SRabbelier | brlcad: sorry for abusing your channel for a totally offtopic discussion :P |
| 01:15.55 | SRabbelier | brlcad: I just happened to find pacman87_'s post, then found his nickname and that he hangs out here :P |
| 01:17.35 | pacman87_ | i'm also in #ati and #xorg |
| 01:18.13 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: hehe |
| 01:19.45 | brlcad | SRabbelier: perfectly alright when there's not an on-topic discussion underway |
| 01:19.53 | SRabbelier | brlcad: sweet |
| 01:20.07 | SRabbelier | is really happy with his now-working videocard |
| 01:20.19 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:20.25 | pacman87_ | i'm still trying to get dual-head working |
| 01:21.28 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: the display manager tab of Catalyst doesn't help you? |
| 01:21.42 | pacman87_ | amdcccle? |
| 01:21.46 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: right |
| 01:22.17 | pacman87_ | i can change the resolution, but the mouse is still an X and the screen is black |
| 01:22.30 | pacman87_ | if i enable xinerama, both screens go black |
| 01:22.37 | pacman87_ | with the X'd mouse |
| 01:23.13 | SRabbelier | pacman87_: ftl :( |
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| 01:59.55 | starseeker | hmm: Direct Trimming of NURBS Surfaces on the GPU |
| 01:59.57 | starseeker | A highly efficient direct-trimming technique for NURBS surfaces, based on a novel point-classification scheme for curved regions including holes. This approach is applicable to tessellation-based rendering as well as to ray tracing systems. |
| 02:02.51 | starseeker | 's curiosity is up |
| 02:03.27 | starseeker | wonder if that's similar to what we're trying |
| 02:06.30 | starseeker | reflects that it would be supremely ironic to figure out how to do that only to go to siggraph and read about it a few months later :-/ |
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| 03:35.29 | starseeker | brlcad: here's a car you might appreciate ;-) http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/05/26/green-gt-unveils-le-mans-electric-racecar/ |
| 04:01.34 | jdoliner | brlcad I'm having a bit of trouble compiling against openNurbs |
| 04:02.05 | jdoliner | I try: |
| 04:02.35 | jdoliner | gcc intersect.cpp libopenNURBS.la -o intersect |
| 04:02.52 | jdoliner | and I get the libopenNURBS is an unrecognized file format |
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| 10:56.37 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
| 10:58.45 | indianlarry | hey d-lo |
| 10:59.05 | indianlarry | looks like the builds on cruisecontrol are failing |
| 11:07.27 | indianlarry | think i'll remove the '-no-undefined' option from the step library builds to get things rolling |
| 11:37.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34590 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (6 files in 6 dirs): removed '-no-undefined' to get build rolling, will go back and resolve library dependencies |
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| 12:46.53 | madant | brlcad: seems like i am hitting a week of backlog right at the start . |
| 12:48.45 | madant | brlcad, i think i should have acess to "better computational capability" in a couple of days. will make up . at worst june 1st. will work on documentation till then. |
| 12:52.02 | pieromorelli | documentation, that is the point. I miss a comprehensive handbook on mged commands... any suggestions? very very grateful thanks.... |
| 12:55.59 | d-lo | pieromorelli: Its not up-to-date, but this might get you a good starting point: |
| 12:56.03 | d-lo | http://brlcad.org/wiki/MGED_Commands |
| 12:56.21 | d-lo | only a handful of things have changed since those wiki pages were created. |
| 12:56.42 | d-lo | nearly all the commands still work as documented. |
| 12:59.22 | pieromorelli | thank you very much |
| 13:14.22 | madant | if only mike muss et al. knew how the machine-human interface is going to change so much in 2 decades :D |
| 13:14.36 | madant | who was the architect of mged ? |
| 13:33.35 | louipc | isn't it still mouse and keyboard? |
| 13:42.57 | madant | you can almost do nothing in catia with only the keyboard :) |
| 13:44.28 | starseeker | muss et. al. were part of the group who defined what is "standard" today |
| 13:44.56 | starseeker | early on, a lot of interface ideas we take for granted were the topic of cutting edge research |
| 13:45.53 | starseeker | and the command line still exposes power no GUI can |
| 13:46.47 | starseeker | we can certainly take a huge leap forward in usability, but the keyboard isn't going anywhere :-) |
| 13:47.31 | starseeker | is though - to the roads! |
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| 14:07.58 | ``Erik | (also; modern machines seem to lack the button and knob boxes...) |
| 14:10.13 | archivist | I only expect to type in numbers when prompted, rest is mouse , then you can keep one hand in your pocket/eat sweets pick nose etc |
| 15:14.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34591 10/brlcad/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Added editing for the extrude primitive. |
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| 16:58.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34592 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (Arb8EditFrame.tcl GeometryEditFrame.tcl): Remove the value entry panel. |
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| 17:10.02 | pacman87_ | checking for Tcl configuration... configure: WARNING: Can't find Tcl configuration definitions |
| 17:15.24 | pacman87_ | forgot to --enable-tcl-build --enable-tk-build |
| 17:19.52 | pacman87_ | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/brlcad/brlcad/src/libged' |
| 17:19.53 | pacman87_ | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `rotate_extrude.lo', needed by `libged_nil.la'. Stop. |
| 17:26.37 | ``Erik | might need to automake src/libged/Makefile (or re-run autogen.sh if'n auto* is all voodoo for ya) |
| 17:28.05 | d-lo | Voodoo: I don't thing that word means what joo thing it means..... |
| 17:29.24 | elena | hi. |
| 17:29.47 | pacman87 | hi elena |
| 17:30.40 | elena | hi pacman. how are your hardware projects going on? |
| 17:31.02 | elena | embedded system homeworks, i believe. |
| 17:31.55 | pacman87 | elena: all finished, school's been out for ~2 weeks |
| 17:32.07 | elena | really, that soon? nice. |
| 17:32.55 | pacman87 | i've been fighting with the fglrx driver for the last few days |
| 17:33.13 | elena | ubuntu jaunty? |
| 17:33.22 | pacman87 | ``Erik: rerunning autogen.sh didn't help |
| 17:33.34 | pacman87 | elena: nope, slackware64-current |
| 17:33.55 | elena | we fighted it last week. it won. |
| 17:34.05 | pacman87 | had to dig up a patch to get the module to compile |
| 17:34.30 | pacman87 | now i'm trying to get it to ignore the edid info so i can use the resolution i want |
| 17:34.36 | pacman87 | and avoid 60 hz refresh |
| 17:34.47 | d-lo | pacman87: 'make distclean' then './autogen.sh' ? |
| 17:36.58 | pacman87 | eta 5 min |
| 17:40.17 | ``Erik | d-lo: some people believe auto* is sorcery that involves chicken blood, magic charms, etc... :D |
| 17:40.45 | pacman87 | same error again |
| 17:42.07 | ``Erik | hm, probably means the Makefile isn't being regenerated correctly (or the .in file), check the timestamps? |
| 17:42.57 | pacman87 | timestamps on which files exactly? |
| 17:43.01 | ``Erik | sees rotate_extrude.c in his Makefile.am |
| 17:43.04 | d-lo | has chicken bones on a string hanging from his Windows machine |
| 17:43.04 | ``Erik | Makefile* |
| 17:44.43 | ``Erik | Makefile.am should be the oldest (and reasonably new), Makefile should be the newest. if the clock changes (or nfs goes gimpy), it can confuse stuff pretty badly |
| 17:45.15 | ``Erik | huh, the last update I did gives me the same error, nifty |
| 17:45.25 | pacman87 | Makefile.am is 11:38, Makefile.in is 12:45, Makefile is 12:36 |
| 17:45.30 | pacman87 | fresh checkout |
| 17:45.50 | d-lo | NIFTI: Naval Infrared Firefighting Thermal Imager |
| 17:47.15 | ``Erik | ah, the .deps files can't being filled correctly |
| 17:49.26 | ``Erik | er, aren't |
| 17:49.27 | ``Erik | heh |
| 17:56.18 | ``Erik | pacman: your makefile isn't being regenerated, make sure you're using gnumake (sometimes other makes don't play well) |
| 17:57.07 | pacman87_ | $ make --version |
| 17:57.09 | pacman87_ | GNU Make 3.81 |
| 18:09.25 | pacman87 | lunchtime |
| 18:11.21 | d-lo | hammertime! |
| 18:12.56 | ``Erik | grabs a hammer and looks for d-lo O.o |
| 18:13.12 | d-lo | can't touch this. |
| 18:13.21 | d-lo | =D |
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| 19:27.16 | d-lo | Ralith: How goes the project? |
| 19:40.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34593 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (17 files): A little cleanup. |
| 19:45.16 | d-lo | fyi ``Erik pacman87 , I checked out a new copy of the repo and am getting that same error. (make[2]: *** No rule to make target `rotate_extrude.lo', needed by `libged_nil.la'. Stop.) |
| 20:35.25 | ``Erik | yes, I'm poking at it a little. It's creating files in the .deps directory that have no content (other than a single line that says "#dummy") |
| 20:39.06 | ``Erik | silly windows user, +x isn't for C source |
| 20:39.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34594 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (20 files): remove svn:executable prop on .c files. |
| 20:46.23 | ``Erik | well now |
| 20:46.25 | ``Erik | that'd be why |
| 20:48.09 | ``Erik | hurrrr, someone forgot to add the new .c files |
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| 21:45.32 | Feltenix | quick question, can brlcad import iges files and export dxf files? |
| 21:47.41 | starseeker | yes, and yes |
| 21:47.47 | starseeker | iges-g and g-dxf |
| 21:48.57 | Feltenix | thanks |
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| 22:57.35 | Ralith | hey d-lo; a little bit delayed while I deal with my school's inexplicable enthusiasm for end-of-year makework. |
| 22:57.45 | Ralith | shan't last much longer. |
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| 02:05.01 | brlcad | Ralith: thx |
| 02:05.13 | Ralith | ? |
| 02:05.13 | brlcad | returns from the void |
| 02:05.34 | Ralith | (brlcad*) |
| 02:06.48 | brlcad | starseeker: thought you already had a link to that triming paper.. |
| 02:07.41 | brlcad | jdoliner: the .la files are "libtool archive" files that can only be linked against using 'libtool' |
| 02:08.46 | brlcad | jdoliner: the .a and/or .so files that get installed would be what you'd link against, else you should have a Makefile.am with libtool directives |
| 02:09.25 | brlcad | starseeker: nice car |
| 02:09.57 | Ralith | what's the point of a .la? |
| 02:14.03 | brlcad | thx was for the status update :) |
| 02:14.16 | Ralith | :) |
| 02:14.25 | brlcad | .la files encapsulate a lot of metadata information about how to build that library |
| 02:14.46 | brlcad | it's not a library exactly, but a set of instructions and declarations that are important to libtool |
| 02:14.50 | Ralith | ahh. |
| 02:14.56 | Ralith | so it doesn't have any object code in it. |
| 02:15.01 | brlcad | it's a text file actually, you can see the content |
| 02:15.13 | brlcad | it says what object files comprise that library |
| 02:15.19 | brlcad | what flags are required |
| 02:15.25 | brlcad | what libraries it depends on |
| 02:15.27 | brlcad | etc |
| 02:15.40 | Ralith | cool |
| 02:15.42 | brlcad | everything it might possibly need to know to portably link against that library static/shared |
| 02:15.52 | brlcad | just a sausage detail of libtool |
| 02:16.00 | Ralith | on the subject of sausages |
| 02:16.02 | Ralith | foods |
| 02:16.11 | brlcad | you can actually use libtool directly, but you invoke it instead of gcc |
| 02:16.23 | Ralith | neat |
| 02:17.40 | brlcad | e.g., this probably would have worked: libtool --mode=link gcc intersect.cpp libopenNURBS.la -o intersect |
| 02:17.51 | brlcad | assuming it had no other requirements |
| 02:19.47 | brlcad | starseeker: surprising that thing has nearly 400hp yet still only manages 0-60 in 4 and top of 171 |
| 04:00.25 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 04:00.57 | pacman87 | hi yukonbob |
| 04:02.30 | yukonbob | waves to pacman87 |
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| 11:15.02 | d-lo | Mornin all |
| 11:41.36 | brlcad | howdy |
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| 11:41.47 | d-lo | brlcad: Everything go okay? |
| 11:42.40 | brlcad | yeah, mostly good news in the sense that there wasn't immediate bad news |
| 11:43.22 | brlcad | but going to have open heart surgery in a few weeks |
| 11:44.04 | d-lo | Well, I suppose thats as good of news as one could hope for. Good to here there isn't anything immediate. |
| 11:44.23 | d-lo | I take it the docs are confident with the pending open heart surgery? |
| 11:48.32 | brlcad | that bit we don't have any info about yet |
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| 11:48.46 | brlcad | about what they plan to do exactly even |
| 11:49.11 | d-lo | ah, well here's to hoping for the best! |
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| 12:17.33 | bcsaba | Hi, I would like to read about brl-cad from develompent point of view. |
| 12:18.00 | bcsaba | can you suggest some resources? |
| 12:19.30 | bcsaba | thanks in advance |
| 12:24.05 | brlcad | bcsaba: there's a lot of various material, the HACKING file in all distributions is a decent starting point |
| 12:24.43 | brlcad | as is src/README, or just asking questions in here or on the brlcad-devel mailing list |
| 12:26.38 | bcsaba | I tried finding something on the web page for the momemnt, but I'll check these first |
| 12:27.04 | bcsaba | One question: is BRL-CAD support team working somehow? |
| 12:43.11 | brlcad | bcsaba: there is some developer stuff on the website as well, but I'd start with the HACKING file |
| 12:44.02 | brlcad | bcsaba: not sure I understand your question, support is provided here on IRC, on the forums, through the trackers, and on the mailing lists |
| 12:44.34 | brlcad | most of the team's interactions are over IRC or on the brlcad-devel mailing list |
| 12:45.04 | bcsaba | I mean to use BRL-CAd in a team. To work team members on a project together somehow. |
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| 12:46.39 | brlcad | ah! |
| 12:47.36 | brlcad | bcsaba: brl-cad is used by teams of modelers, but the software does little automatically for you in that regard (other than mged allowing multiple clients to work on a .g simultaneously) |
| 12:48.03 | brlcad | that is one of the design intents of the new modeler gui, though, and the supporting geometry service interface |
| 12:53.15 | brlcad | bcsaba: I take it you've not done much research into just how much open source CAD is out there? :) |
| 12:54.14 | brlcad | we're by far as good as it gets and we still have a long ways to go -- many of the commercial CAD systems don't even intrinsicly support team workflows |
| 12:54.15 | bcsaba | You're right, I started it now only. |
| 12:54.48 | bcsaba | That's why I asked some help from experts, where to start with it. |
| 12:56.02 | brlcad | what we have going for us is history (brl-cad's been around for decades), expertise, and community .. we're set up so anyone can get involved to help make it better |
| 12:58.27 | bcsaba | If someone else editing the .g file whlie I working on it too, how his/her modifications affects my work? |
| 12:58.55 | bcsaba | If for example something was removed what I was just using in my work? |
| 12:59.09 | brlcad | it depends |
| 12:59.53 | brlcad | if you're using two different MGEDs then their actions will affect your work (eventually) |
| 13:00.01 | brlcad | if you two share an MGED instance, everything will work just fine |
| 13:00.17 | brlcad | MGED is the name of the main GUI editor, fwiw too :) |
| 13:00.37 | brlcad | MGED has the ability to have multiple simultaneous user sessions (even remote ones) |
| 13:01.40 | brlcad | some actions, like ray-tracing do all their I/O at the beginning and no longer need it afterwards so if you start rendering, for example, and an edit is made to the .g, it won't matter |
| 13:02.00 | brlcad | i presume you mean two modelers though |
| 13:02.31 | bcsaba | That's multiple session thing is something new for me, I'll check this out. |
| 13:02.42 | bcsaba | Yes, I presumed two medelers. |
| 13:03.25 | brlcad | the new GUI I referred to is going to utilize a geometry service (currently under development) which makes all I/O go through a daemon interface (ala mysqld) which will better support user sessions |
| 13:03.51 | brlcad | so that you can have two independent modelers working simultaneously on the same model and receive notifications of each other's work |
| 13:04.07 | brlcad | that is, however, very much under development as we speak |
| 13:04.42 | brlcad | bcsaba: perhaps of interest, long-term development priorities: http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 13:05.44 | brlcad | that covers the next four years or so |
| 13:08.48 | bcsaba | Understand. Thanks for your time and the information for now. |
| 13:09.16 | bcsaba | I'll read forward, and I think I'll return with knew question later too. |
| 13:26.56 | starseeker | brlcad: that trimming paper is to be presented at this year's siggraph - I was figuring it hadn't been published yet |
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| 19:33.17 | ``Erik | brlcad: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/results.cfm?rcl_id=09V179000&searchtype=quicksearch&summary=true&refurl=rss |
| 19:33.31 | ``Erik | does ellie fall into that? |
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| 22:36.32 | brlcad | ``Erik: Elle not Ellie :) |
| 22:37.24 | brlcad | and no, mine is not in that range -- mine is late 2008 iirc |
| 22:48.45 | ``Erik | heh, ok |
| 22:49.22 | ``Erik | the tesla roadster went for sale in that period, they sold 400 and had to recall 345 cuz of lotus screwing that up |
| 22:50.28 | brlcad | heh, awesome |
| 22:50.59 | brlcad | some newb factory dude |
| 22:51.42 | brlcad | "dammit jimmy! those bolts aren't tightened to 200 psi! they should be 500psi! .. uh oh" |
| 22:53.04 | ``Erik | ('cept it'd be footpounds) |
| 22:53.05 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:55.36 | brlcad | e-mails that to his dealer |
| 22:56.14 | brlcad | how'd you run across that? recall came out today.. |
| 22:56.19 | ``Erik | HN |
| 22:56.26 | ``Erik | it'll be on slashdot in a couple days |
| 22:56.36 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:58.01 | ``Erik | http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-recalls-345-roadsters-2009-5 |
| 22:58.23 | brlcad | mm.. http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/tesla-recall-setback-for-the-ev-revoluti.php |
| 22:59.12 | ``Erik | btw, coolness: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/homebrewed-cpu/ |
| 23:01.28 | brlcad | ~(375 * 500.0) + (2.0 * 100.0 * 375) |
| 23:01.29 | ibot | 262500 |
| 23:02.14 | brlcad | so roughly less than the cost of 1% of the cars tesla has sold to date |
| 23:02.50 | ``Erik | huh? |
| 23:03.18 | brlcad | assuming an avg repair cost of a 500 plane ticket and 2 hours at a 100/hr to send a tech over to tighten the bolts |
| 23:03.19 | ``Erik | <-- didn't dig into numbers, just saw that 345 were recalled and 400 sold |
| 23:03.32 | brlcad | says they're flying guys out to fix the problem |
| 23:03.43 | ``Erik | if you live outside of one of their core areas |
| 23:03.54 | brlcad | right, upper bound of sorts |
| 23:03.59 | ``Erik | I think the actual repair cost is neglegible compared to the 'opportunity cost' |
| 23:04.33 | brlcad | the customer service reputation of "dude, the guy came to my house!" is pretty remarkable regardless of the production count :) |
| 23:04.58 | ``Erik | yeah, it's a slick damage control move if people read down that far |
| 23:05.19 | brlcad | the tesla is sweet |
| 23:05.34 | brlcad | heck, I might have even held out for the model S had I known that pricetag |
| 23:05.37 | ``Erik | don't like rolls royce and maybach do that, too? I vagually recall that they have trucks they'll dispatch to fix the car right where it is if it every breaks down |
| 23:05.38 | brlcad | probably not, but maybe :) |
| 23:06.02 | ``Erik | next time around, when they're a little more powerful and have better range :D |
| 23:06.09 | brlcad | finding a place to charge the car would have been a bitch |
| 23:06.22 | brlcad | without a garage |
| 23:06.26 | ``Erik | *nod* |
| 23:07.12 | ``Erik | even with a garage, not like there're available outlets at work, or the parking lot up in delaware to look at new speakers |
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| 23:12.52 | ``Erik | still wants to see a car that uses a high efficiency diesel generator, capacitor bank and dc motors, similar to a freight train |
| 23:13.43 | brlcad | and goes all the way up to 60 mph after 60 sec but gets 200 mpg? :) |
| 23:15.58 | ``Erik | nah, what I'm thinking is like a 20hp generator, would have the same 'burst' capability to push the motors hard for the 4 or so seconds to hit 60 in the capacitors plus some, and a bit more than enough horsepower left over to recharge the capacitors while holding highway speed |
| 23:16.19 | ``Erik | throw in regenerative braking for aggressive stop&go and it's all good :D |
| 23:16.50 | ``Erik | and a lot less weight than a battery assembly |
| 23:17.32 | ``Erik | (and the engine could run in the optimal efficiency/output range instead of being all over the place like a regular ICE car) |
| 23:19.06 | ``Erik | was hoping to do that to his truck, but simply lacks the time and will |
| 23:19.52 | brlcad | lazy! |
| 23:20.40 | ``Erik | indeed |
| 23:20.59 | ``Erik | too much code to write, too much to do around the house |
| 23:21.34 | ``Erik | too much to recoup from after wow addiction :D |
| 23:23.40 | ``Erik | mebbe I woulda if I had a two car garage, or bought a car I didn't care about putting in the garage *shrug* |
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| 00:45.46 | starseeker | gets a definite no on the siggraph poster |
| 00:48.59 | starseeker | well, glad I didn't spend any more time fussing with it |
| 01:10.56 | brlcad | starseeker: ahh, darn -- sorry to hear that |
| 01:11.02 | brlcad | did they provide any feedback? |
| 01:25.20 | starseeker | they did |
| 01:25.41 | starseeker | generally, seems like it was too specialized and "niche" for siggraph |
| 01:29.19 | brlcad | starseeker: nah, some posters are *way* more niche |
| 01:30.04 | brlcad | at least I don't buy it, curious to see the actual verbage if they provided anything |
| 01:30.17 | brlcad | more believe it was just a matter of not making the N% cut line |
| 01:30.41 | starseeker | is working on getting a pdf of the review - one sec |
| 01:32.55 | starseeker | there we go |
| 01:34.56 | brlcad | looks |
| 01:39.18 | starseeker | Reviewer #16720 wants a lot packed into a small abstract... |
| 01:39.38 | brlcad | wow, actually looks like you almost had it |
| 01:40.57 | starseeker | basically one yea, one "nothing novel", and two "too specialized" |
| 01:41.05 | brlcad | first two were generality based while still impressive, third was a thumbs up, four was 'almost' had he thought the poster was detailed enough |
| 01:42.24 | starseeker | actually though tire spec -> primitive parameters was the less novel part... |
| 01:44.29 | brlcad | what the third read into was what I was talking about having you emphasize, the procedural modeling aspect |
| 01:44.47 | starseeker | yeah, probably |
| 01:45.32 | starseeker | wonders if he should finish the form1 anyway... |
| 01:47.06 | starseeker | I guess one take-away is to include a graphic of the poster in the "extra" materials |
| 01:48.06 | brlcad | oh, what gave you that idea? |
| 01:48.29 | brlcad | that would have been great, think if they'd actually seen the full poster over the abstract |
| 01:48.34 | starseeker | the last reviewer asking for so much detail |
| 01:48.41 | brlcad | ah yeah |
| 01:48.54 | starseeker | packed the abstract to the limit as it is... |
| 01:50.44 | brlcad | i'm sure there's another forum that will be great for the poster, given how close that was (and more importantly just how well put together it is) |
| 01:50.59 | starseeker | cool :-) |
| 01:52.08 | starseeker | the "well put together" is due to your help - thanks for all the time/help you put into it brlcad |
| 01:52.40 | brlcad | nah, you did all the heavy lifting |
| 01:53.11 | starseeker | it's that polish that makes all the difference though - I seem to lack the "make good color choices" gene |
| 01:53.37 | starseeker | glances around to make sure better half didn't see me admit that... |
| 01:53.49 | brlcad | hehe |
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| 14:56.48 | brlcad | howdy d_rossberg, gl?cklicher Freitag zu Ihnen! |
| 14:57.00 | brlcad | doubts that is right :) |
| 14:58.34 | archivist | sees strange black background |
| 14:59.32 | d_rossberg | brlcad: oje |
| 15:00.07 | d_rossberg | w"unscht einen sch"onen Freitag! |
| 15:01.20 | d_rossberg | and a happy Whitsun |
| 15:03.30 | archivist | ö ü I dont see the proper chars from you two |
| 15:03.50 | archivist | are they correct from me |
| 15:05.30 | d_rossberg | "o and "u are the LaTeX (Babel package) replacements for ö and ü |
| 15:06.29 | archivist | ah ok /me is a latex free zone |
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| 15:06.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: renamed the file with the BRL-CAD version defines and copied it into the rc^3/include/brlcad directory |
| 15:06.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: this way an application is able to memorize the BRL-CAD version it was compiled with at compile time |
| 15:06.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: i.e. it can compare the BRL-CAd version of the DLL it is using with the one it was compiled with |
| 15:09.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34599 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/brlcad/globals.h src/coreInterface/globals.cpp): 3 functions to get the interface's version information |
| 15:26.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34600 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: found some bad light behavior with infinite lights. seems like several bugs depending on the light fraction and surface orientations and light angles. |
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| 16:52.52 | pacman87_ | waves to jdoliner |
| 17:49.02 | brlcad | waves to pacman87_ :) |
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| 18:44.25 | starseeker | hmm - apparently someone working on Cairo-in-OGRE3D rendering |
| 18:46.51 | starseeker | http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=47237 |
| 18:48.10 | brlcad | heh, neat |
| 18:49.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Light3.png]]": Example of three colored light sources over a box. Scene rendered with 0% ambient illumination. Light fraction is 2.0 for double intensity. |
| 18:49.32 | starseeker | brlcad: how did it end up - are we doing Qt in OGRE or OGRE in Qt? |
| 18:50.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Light4.png]]": Example of three colored light sources over a box. Scene rendered with 0% ambient illumination. Light fraction is 10.0 for blooming intensity. |
| 18:51.14 | brlcad | it should be 'ogre in qt' |
| 18:51.30 | starseeker | OK |
| 18:51.46 | starseeker | wonders if this would help any? http://www.qt-apps.org/content/show.php/QtOgre+Framework?content=92912 |
| 18:51.49 | brlcad | Qt is used to create the context/window, that is passed to ogre's initialization (a lower level one iirc) |
| 18:52.38 | brlcad | yeah, that looks like someone did exactly that with that project |
| 18:53.07 | Ralith | ooh, handy! |
| 18:53.20 | starseeker | zlib license looks ok, I think... |
| 18:53.30 | Ralith | zlib is a BSDalike, no? |
| 18:53.35 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:53.40 | starseeker | http://www.gzip.org/zlib/zlib_license.html |
| 18:53.59 | brlcad | I'd be surprised if that 'project' was more than a couple files |
| 18:54.09 | Ralith | nevertheless, it's a great place to start. |
| 18:54.14 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:54.16 | Ralith | or looks like one anyway |
| 18:54.21 | brlcad | save you a few days |
| 18:54.45 | brlcad | or at least a day :) |
| 18:54.54 | Ralith | some amount of time, anyway |
| 18:54.57 | starseeker | http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=45709 |
| 18:55.01 | Ralith | it's nonzero so it's good |
| 18:55.42 | Ralith | looks great! |
| 18:56.03 | Ralith | nice find :) |
| 18:56.23 | starseeker | apparently the original author (PolyVox) is still active in the forums - perhaps he could answer questions |
| 18:56.29 | Ralith | grabs the code |
| 18:58.06 | Ralith | hmm... that castle model looks familiar |
| 18:58.39 | Ralith | er, that's on a different page. |
| 18:58.55 | Ralith | looks like this guy's working on continuing some voxel work I was looking into a while back as well; neat |
| 19:00.53 | starseeker | ooo, destructible environments in games |
| 19:01.02 | Ralith | not properly, yet |
| 19:01.23 | Ralith | it's just voxels, and has the predictable horrible performance for worlds large enough to be interesting |
| 19:02.20 | Ralith | but it looks like he's considering various LoD approaches. |
| 19:04.09 | Ralith | isn't sure if voxels, even somehow optimized, are really the way to go for large-scale destruction, but it's certainly cool. |
| 19:05.03 | starseeker | Ralith: might want to check that thread on the Qt+OGRE framework and make sure there isn't more current code floating around somewhere |
| 19:05.29 | Ralith | Last edited by PolyVox on Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:21 pm, edited 4 times in total. |
| 19:05.36 | Ralith | seems like he's been keeping the first post up to date. |
| 19:06.01 | starseeker | This one has May 27th: http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=45709&p=342063#p342063 |
| 19:06.50 | starseeker | yeah, OGRE forums seem to work like that - work centers around threads |
| 19:07.01 | starseeker | seems a bit haphazard, but if it works it works |
| 19:07.22 | Ralith | oh, it looks like it's in ogreaddons |
| 19:07.33 | Ralith | syncs |
| 19:07.56 | starseeker | ah https://ogreaddons.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ogreaddons/trunk/QtOgreFramework/ |
| 19:08.01 | Ralith | yup |
| 19:08.01 | starseeker | oh, you win :-) |
| 19:08.06 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 19:08.11 | Ralith | do I get a prise? |
| 19:08.13 | Ralith | prize* |
| 19:08.19 | starseeker | just free source code |
| 19:08.23 | Ralith | yay! |
| 19:09.05 | Ralith | oh cool, it uses cmake |
| 19:09.14 | Ralith | that answers my worry about how well qt works with non-qmake |
| 19:09.54 | Ralith | (probably still depends on qmake and/or related tools, but at least this allows a consistent build system) |
| 19:11.52 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:11.55 | Ralith | hm, can't *quite* get the demo to run. |
| 19:17.21 | Ralith | argh. |
| 19:17.36 | starseeker | hmm? |
| 19:17.53 | Ralith | found an error log that confirms what I suspected was wrong, but doesn't actually tell me anything useful re: solving it. |
| 19:18.15 | Ralith | ah here we go. |
| 19:18.46 | Ralith | facepalms |
| 19:18.56 | Ralith | he hardcoded the GL render system dynlib path. |
| 19:19.16 | Ralith | ...or so it appears? |
| 19:19.55 | Ralith | yup. |
| 19:20.13 | starseeker | oops |
| 19:20.20 | starseeker | code change #1 |
| 19:20.32 | Ralith | indeed. |
| 19:20.48 | Ralith | pretty sure there shouldn't even need to be a path, much less a hardcoded one. |
| 19:20.57 | Ralith | that's what ldd is for. |
| 19:22.49 | Ralith | hm, perhaps there is need after all. |
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| 19:34.00 | Ralith | gah! |
| 19:34.17 | Ralith | why do people "support linux" but always forget case sensitivity? >:| |
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| 19:35.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: reflectance. |
| 19:36.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: |
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| 19:36.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: reflectance. |
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| 19:37.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: high intensity. Specular is 1 and diffuse is 0 for maximally specular |
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| 19:37.43 | Ralith | hm, that's interesting; it doesn't seem to really handle a tiling wm well. |
| 19:41.41 | Ralith | or perhaps this is a deeper problem. One way or another, the windows that are supposed to be within Ogre end up as separate windows, except for the FPS counter, and that one ends up outside if I mess with the window in a certain way. |
| 19:41.51 | Ralith | perhaps this isn't such a good starting point. |
| 19:42.14 | Ralith | shall try to contact the author. |
| 19:44.04 | starseeker | sorry - thought it might help :-/ |
| 19:44.15 | starseeker | didn't dig too deep into it though |
| 19:44.27 | Ralith | it certainly looked that way, and it may yet. |
| 19:44.31 | Ralith | we'll se |
| 19:45.31 | Ralith | although the way it states that it can only do transparent windows on systems with compositing WMs makes me wonder if it's actually embedding the Qt windows in OpenGL properly. |
| 19:48.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Light brg.png]]": Example of three colored light sources over a box looking down from above. Scene rendered with 0% ambient illumination with a 1.0 light fraction on all three lights. |
| 19:50.31 | Ralith | yeah, it does kind of look like it's just drawing the Qt windows on top of, rather than in, the context. |
| 19:51.51 | starseeker | ah, poo |
| 19:52.39 | starseeker | https://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=47381 |
| 19:53.49 | starseeker | Perhaps there are some hints here: |
| 19:53.53 | starseeker | http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=258064 |
| 19:55.00 | Ralith | that's ogre-in-qt rather than qt-in-ogre |
| 19:55.18 | Ralith | hm. |
| 19:55.37 | Ralith | brlcad: so, wait, do we just want an Ogre context within a Qt window? |
| 19:55.56 | Ralith | as opposed to everything within an OpenGL context? |
| 19:56.26 | Ralith | it should be relatively straightforward to simply create an Ogre widget. |
| 19:56.38 | Ralith | that's not what I thought we'd decided on, though |
| 19:57.02 | starseeker | thought we would be rendering the Qt widgets on the OGRE context |
| 19:57.06 | starseeker | or in |
| 19:57.11 | Ralith | thought so as well. |
| 19:57.33 | starseeker | so we essentially need to do "right" what that code tried to fake |
| 19:57.40 | Ralith | yeah |
| 19:57.58 | Ralith | brlcad: confirm? |
| 19:59.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Light brg10.png]]": Example of three colored light sources over a box looking down from above. Scene rendered with 0% ambient illumination with a 10.0 light fraction on all three lights. |
| 20:02.56 | Ralith | brbs for a couple hours |
| 20:04.12 | starseeker | Ralith: Hmm, the comments of pmax here may be of interest: http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42733&start=25 |
| 20:07.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Light brg20.png]]": Example of three colored light sources over a box looking down from above. Scene rendered with 0% ambient illumination with a 20.0 light fraction on all three lights. |
| 20:08.43 | starseeker | Ralith: If I'm not mistaken, pmax was trying to do it the "right way" and PolyVox thinks perhaps a new feature in 4.5 would make it possible |
| 20:10.40 | starseeker | if I'm understanding this correctly, it's 1. Qt gets going and then creates either a window or a fullscreen context (if those are actually different) |
| 20:11.05 | starseeker | 2. In the QT window/context, Qt asks for an instance of Ogre |
| 20:12.19 | starseeker | 3. Qt then takes that instance of Ogre, and uses it as the output for its widget renders. Qt still manages things like I/O, passing things specific to Ogre through the Qt system to the Ogre system |
| 20:15.37 | starseeker | I suppose other possibilities would be to have Qt request an opengl graphics system and then shoehorn OGRE in between QT and its graphics system, but that doesn't feel right |
| 20:16.37 | starseeker | would require that whatever Qt wants from opengl is the same as what OGRE wants, so that a Qt requested opengl context could serve as the "target" for Ogre |
| 20:20.48 | starseeker | this probably comes under the "check what stellarium does" heading |
| 20:21.27 | starseeker | don't think they use OGRE, but what they do do might be helpful as a technique illustration (they're GPL so no code grabbing) |
| 20:37.20 | starseeker | Ralith: also possibly of interest (see comment from gunnar at 10/23/2008 6:39) http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/10/22/so-long-and-thanks-for-the-blit/ |
| 20:39.10 | starseeker | may help as well: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/06/27/accelerate-your-widgets-with-opengl/ |
| 20:39.35 | starseeker | hopes we won't have to try creating a whole Ogre rendering system for Qt, but it might come to that... |
| 20:48.22 | starseeker | well, custom QPaintDevice backends are possible apparently - need to create an engine that derives from QPaintEngine |
| 20:51.19 | starseeker | don't know if that works though, because QWidget is also a subclass of QPaintDevice |
| 20:52.48 | starseeker | neat stuff |
| 20:52.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1458 10/wiki/Lighting: Initial (brief) overview of how BRL-CAD lighting works with examples |
| 20:53.42 | brlcad | woot, http://brlcad.org/wiki/Lighting <-- proofreads welcome for clarity/typos/etc |
| 20:55.15 | starseeker | looks |
| 20:55.35 | starseeker | well, this sounds hopeful for QWidget: Warning: If you are using a custom paint engine without Qt's backingstore, Qt::WA_PaintOnScreen must be set. Otherwise, QWidget::paintEngine() will never be called; the backingstore will be used instead. |
| 20:55.45 | starseeker | implies a custom paint engine can be used |
| 20:59.42 | starseeker | brlcad: first line after Phone "Plastic" Shader - maybe say "Initially, you may think..." ? |
| 20:59.46 | starseeker | just a nitpick |
| 21:01.57 | starseeker | nice job! |
| 21:49.20 | poolio | howdy all! |
| 21:49.43 | pacman87 | hi poolio |
| 21:50.39 | poolio | ahoy pacman87, how's gsoc going? |
| 21:51.01 | pacman87 | bit of a slow start, rereading code |
| 21:51.04 | pacman87 | picking up now |
| 21:53.16 | poolio | cool cool. so you're done classes and what not? |
| 21:53.49 | pacman87 | yeah, graduation was last weekend |
| 21:54.18 | pacman87 | just found out i got accepted to the EE program for grad school at UT Austin today |
| 22:01.35 | poolio | congratulations! was that your top choice? |
| 22:02.03 | pacman87 | yeah, i didn't really apply to that many |
| 22:02.30 | pacman87 | i just finished my undergrad in ME there |
| 22:07.58 | Ralith | starseeker: actually, there are Qt demos doing in-OpenGL drawing using that new 4.5 feature. |
| 22:08.05 | Ralith | just none that use Ogre too |
| 22:09.20 | Ralith | starseeker: that last link is in fact what I'm referring to |
| 22:09.35 | Ralith | I guess it's a 4.4 feature |
| 22:10.13 | Ralith | hm, so I guess what would be needed would be override QGraphicsScene::drawBackground to call Ogre's frame render function |
| 22:10.39 | Ralith | the trick being, as discussed, getting Ogre to do the render into the same context. |
| 22:11.41 | Ralith | starseeker: there's also this really cool demo someone wrote with Qt widgets mapped into a 3D world in an OpenGL context, and one of the widgets was an OpenGL context (or something?) that controlled a camera in the world, so you could view it through itself to an arbitrary level of recursion |
| 22:28.45 | Ralith | tries to build that. |
| 22:30.30 | Ralith | oh hey, qmake generates a makefile despite the apparent absence of build instructions. handy. |
| 22:31.02 | Ralith | works perfectly out of the box! I think we have a starting point, if it's licensed well. |
| 22:35.39 | mafm | don't worry Ralith, USA's Army has good funding :P :) |
| 22:35.51 | Ralith | :P |
| 22:36.05 | Ralith | aw, it's GPL'd |
| 22:36.44 | Ralith | well it's simple enough |
| 22:37.17 | mafm | wasn't Qt LGPL'd recently? |
| 22:37.26 | Ralith | this code in particular is GPL |
| 22:37.33 | Ralith | it's not actually Qt, just an example |
| 22:37.45 | mafm | oh |
| 23:42.08 | brlcad | kicks off a nifty Goliath render for the weekend |
| 00:53.25 | Ralith | Goliath? As in, the WWII german thingy? |
| 01:31.39 | brlcad | Ralith: yep |
| 01:31.50 | Ralith | cool! |
| 01:31.56 | brlcad | the render should hopefully be done by monday |
| 01:32.01 | Ralith | that's a big render |
| 01:32.16 | Ralith | what's the scene? |
| 01:32.30 | brlcad | we have a nice detailed model of it from a couple students last summer, and one of them is back and working on making a poster of it |
| 01:32.46 | brlcad | the one going now is a simple scene, but nice quality render |
| 01:33.02 | Ralith | cool |
| 01:33.11 | Ralith | looks forward to it |
| 01:33.20 | brlcad | the poster scene is the goliath on a showcase platform with mirrors behind it, red-roped off area, complex lighting |
| 01:36.38 | Ralith | there's no indirect lighting yet, is there? |
| 01:55.40 | brlcad | hm? there is indirect, just only through reflectance, transmission, or ambience |
| 01:56.18 | brlcad | there's global illumination indirect lighting through adrt, but that requires a tessellation (and chicken bones and a little chanting) |
| 01:56.56 | Ralith | on the upside, that means you get chicken for dinner. |
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| 03:51.21 | starseeker | Ralith: might contact the author of that demo that's GPL if it's non-trivial enough, ask if they'd consider LGPL now that Qt is LGPL |
| 03:52.01 | starseeker | otherwise just learn from it |
| 03:54.21 | Ralith | it's pretty trivial |
| 03:54.44 | Ralith | just under 500 lines in its entirety and most of that is model loading/GUI description rather than actual setup. |
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| 14:44.28 | ``Erik | wonders if he needs to relearn qt |
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| 16:50.59 | brlcad | THERE IS NO PAIN IN THIS DOJO! |
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| 19:12.41 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm afraid to ask |
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| 20:44.20 | pacman87 | i'm pretty sure there's no fear in brlcad's dojo, either |
| 21:21.06 | brlcad | starseeker: surely you're not too young for karate kid |
| 21:21.30 | brlcad | ~pacman87++ |
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| 22:01.14 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, i gotta car |
| 22:01.25 | PrezKennedy | if you couldnt guess from everything on Facebook |
| 22:01.26 | PrezKennedy | :p |
| 22:01.57 | alex_joni | facebook will go bye-bye ;) |
| 22:02.54 | Ralith | brlcad is on facebook? |
| 22:04.46 | starseeker | brlcad: ah - figured you were taking up another painful hobby |
| 22:09.30 | starseeker | not too young, just too socially stunted ;-) |
| 22:09.45 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: heh, yeah I noticed -- congratulations! you're mobile! |
| 22:10.08 | brlcad | couldn't tell if it was an accord or a maxima, but then saw you say |
| 22:11.18 | brlcad | Ralith: yeah, I was finally suckered in last year by a buddy .. |
| 22:11.24 | brlcad | quite an evil place in many ways |
| 22:11.42 | Ralith | wow. |
| 22:11.47 | Ralith | talk about divergent from the target demographic. |
| 22:11.48 | brlcad | and worse yet, family sort of expects to get updates on me from there now .. :) |
| 22:12.03 | louipc | some girls made me join.. |
| 22:12.09 | starseeker | is holding out |
| 22:13.05 | starseeker | Ralith: any more luck with Qt + Ogre? |
| 22:13.25 | Ralith | starseeker: still grinding away on some schoolwork, so I haven't yet been able to give it the attention it deserves. |
| 22:13.50 | starseeker | ah, np :-) |
| 22:13.57 | Ralith | my plan is that next I'll be looking into how to initialize Ogre with a precreated OpenGL context, I think. |
| 22:14.27 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:14.33 | Ralith | I'm expecting that to be the hardest bit of the whole Qt + Ogre thing |
| 22:14.35 | starseeker | if possible, that may be a "clean" way |
| 22:14.47 | Ralith | I wouldn't be surprised if I have to hack Ogre though |
| 22:14.58 | brlcad | I would |
| 22:15.05 | Ralith | really? |
| 22:15.11 | Ralith | I haven't played with it extensively, but I've never seen it used in any way but creating its own context |
| 22:15.24 | Ralith | 'course, that's an area that bears more research. |
| 22:15.26 | brlcad | you may have to hook into a lower-level base class, but that is supposed to be a normal operation (according to the ogre devs) |
| 22:15.33 | Ralith | oh cool :D |
| 22:15.53 | brlcad | being a graphics engine that can't be hooked in would be kinda weak :) |
| 22:15.53 | Ralith | then this should go pretty smoothly, assuming Qt will let me at the context pointer. |
| 22:16.09 | brlcad | just happens to default to "lemme create the window for you too" |
| 22:16.34 | Ralith | which should be easily determined by a quick glance at the QtOpenGL API docs. |
| 22:17.02 | brlcad | that example project, whether it works or not out of the box, probably shows how too |
| 22:17.12 | Ralith | which? |
| 22:17.23 | starseeker | hmm: With the pre-release of OGRE v1.6, Felix Bellaby added a new, named parameter called currentGLContext (not to be confused with the other named parameter externalGLContext). Note that it is case-insensitive - like all named parameters seem to be. With this parameter set, OGRE will NOT create or setup an OpenGL context. It is left up to the programmer to set this up. OGRE will just blindly issue OpenGL commands. |
| 22:17.42 | Ralith | handy! |
| 22:17.44 | starseeker | per: http://www.ogre3d.org/wiki/index.php/Using_SDL_Input |
| 22:17.47 | Ralith | seems like I picked the right time to start this project. |
| 22:17.56 | Ralith | (i.e. right after Qt and Ogre added the relevant features) |
| 22:18.26 | starseeker | (see the "new, experimental" way at the bottom of that page) |
| 22:18.35 | starseeker | perhaps the issues are similar for SDL and Qt? |
| 22:18.51 | Ralith | it's exactly the same situation, unless I'm missing something |
| 22:19.02 | starseeker | hugs google |
| 22:19.30 | brlcad | I think it was even possible before 1.6, just wasn't so conveniently exposed -- you hooked into a base class |
| 22:20.01 | Ralith | still, this should make things easy. |
| 22:20.48 | brlcad | yeah, it's also different than what I played with -- you had to hand OGRE the context you created |
| 22:20.55 | brlcad | blindly issuing gl commands is rather new |
| 22:21.15 | Ralith | it looks like externalGLContext might be that, although what I'm reading here seems to suggest that is windows only |
| 22:21.19 | starseeker | wonders if giving Ogre the context wouldn't be a better way to go? |
| 22:21.31 | brlcad | starseeker: shouldn't matter really |
| 22:22.00 | starseeker | if some other app has a different opengl context, couldn't there be trouble? |
| 22:22.02 | brlcad | they wanted it for state management and for cleanup/shutdown reasons iirc |
| 22:22.08 | starseeker | oh |
| 22:22.23 | brlcad | contexts aren't shared across applications |
| 22:22.40 | brlcad | (sorta) |
| 22:22.41 | Ralith | it would only be weird if the one app had multiple contexts, and I'm not sure that's legal, let alone desirable. |
| 22:24.05 | brlcad | it's possible, and sort of necessary if you're a multi-window applications |
| 22:24.18 | brlcad | just very odd for something like a full-screen toggleable application |
| 22:29.35 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: Up? |
| 22:30.09 | PrezKennedy | i wish!! |
| 22:30.18 | PrezKennedy | ive been waiting to see it since the previews |
| 22:31.02 | brlcad | might be going to Up at 7pm or 9:30pm at Regal with Stephen |
| 22:31.10 | brlcad | or 7:40 at whitemarsh |
| 22:32.05 | brlcad | bets his phone has been ringing incessantly, goes to check it |
| 22:32.12 | PrezKennedy | haha |
| 23:06.27 | PrezKennedy | i havent driven on an interstate yet |
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| 19:51.57 | jdoliner | who had a good working knowledge of openNurbs? |
| 19:52.16 | jdoliner | has rather* |
| 20:28.02 | brlcad | jdoliner: a least a couple of us have a decent working knowledge -- what's the question? |
| 20:28.26 | jdoliner | so I've been code reading it for a while |
| 20:28.37 | jdoliner | first all the documentation I've found |
| 20:28.44 | jdoliner | well I haven't found much |
| 20:29.04 | jdoliner | that really gives me an idea how things are working |
| 20:29.33 | jdoliner | so if I've just failed to find the good stuff but it does exist somewhere |
| 20:29.39 | jdoliner | that would be really useful |
| 20:29.54 | jdoliner | really I'm having trouble understanding exactly how to work with nurbs/surfaces |
| 20:30.13 | jdoliner | particularly exactly what fields are they storing in them |
| 20:30.18 | jdoliner | because I can't find that anywhere |
| 20:30.48 | jdoliner | ultimately I need to just get the paramatric form, however it's stored, which seems like it shouldn't be too hard |
| 20:36.02 | brlcad | jdoliner: their only 'official' documentation is in the header files, same ones in src/other/openNURBS |
| 20:36.42 | brlcad | everything stems from what is found there (which is a lot, so it can be a bit complicated to search for specific things) |
| 20:37.24 | brlcad | I assume you've read the openNURBS examples in src/proc-db that talk about the basic structure, create 2d and 3d curves |
| 20:38.07 | brlcad | er, those are 'our' examples, and then there are the openNURBS examples in src/other/openNURBS/example_*/. |
| 20:39.52 | brlcad | if you've not seen this image, it describes the data structures pretty well: http://en.wiki.mcneel.com/content/upload/images/Brep_structure.gif |
| 20:43.01 | jdoliner | okay I also found some code hosted on their wiki wish is a MeshMesh intersect |
| 20:43.14 | jdoliner | but as far as I can see it's not included in their toolkit |
| 20:43.23 | jdoliner | and it's not in our copy of it |
| 20:43.51 | brlcad | erm, if it was included, you wouldn't have much of a project ;) |
| 20:44.08 | brlcad | aside from needing to intersect a lot more than Mesh objects :) |
| 20:44.46 | brlcad | need to evaluate the intersection of an arbitrary ON_Brep against another ON_Brep |
| 20:45.16 | brlcad | there is a LOT missing from openNURBS that is included in the Rhino3D toolkit, particularly evaluation routines |
| 20:45.31 | brlcad | they removed much of their bread-n-butter than makes Rhino pretty uniquely powerful |
| 20:48.28 | jdoliner | okay that's good |
| 20:48.39 | jdoliner | I've written some stuff that would have been redundant with that function |
| 20:56.41 | brlcad | note that we have a lot of curve+surface and surface+surface intersection routines written, particularly for polygonal surfaces but even for spline surfaces |
| 20:57.24 | brlcad | they're just not very robust the way they're implemented, and they're not for/using the openNURBS ON_Brep data structures (which form the basis of our new 'brep' object type) |
| 20:58.32 | jdoliner | i see |
| 20:58.58 | brlcad | src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_eval.c for example for how it's done on our generalized polygon mesh nmg object type |
| 20:58.58 | jdoliner | so should I avoid dependancy on any of their intersection routines |
| 20:59.17 | brlcad | you can use any openNURBS routines |
| 20:59.23 | brlcad | or routines you write |
| 20:59.39 | brlcad | or even routines that we've already written, but updated to ON types |
| 21:00.08 | jdoliner | right but you said their intersection routines aren't that robust |
| 21:00.12 | brlcad | just saying your job might be a little easier to survey what you need and what's available to you, you don't have to start from scratch ;) |
| 21:00.19 | jdoliner | okay |
| 21:00.25 | jdoliner | that's comforting |
| 21:00.59 | brlcad | if you blindly implement from scratch, you will just as likely end up with a non-robust solution too :) |
| 21:01.10 | jdoliner | also can you give me a little tutorial on how to compile something against the opennurbs library |
| 21:01.39 | jdoliner | for some reason I can't seem to get my object files to binaries without it saying it can't find the all the opennurbs functions |
| 21:01.45 | brlcad | see src/proc-db/breplicator.cpp and the build rules in src/proc-db/Makefile.am |
| 21:02.25 | jdoliner | okay |
| 21:02.30 | brlcad | you can start another example app in there for that matter |
| 21:02.38 | brlcad | you shouldn't be coding outside of revision control |
| 21:03.01 | jdoliner | I've been putting things in the ON example folder |
| 21:03.26 | jdoliner | but I couldn't find a makefile for them |
| 21:03.37 | brlcad | which ON example folder? |
| 21:04.33 | brlcad | there are seven, but yeah they don't have Makefiles, can just hand-compile them |
| 21:04.43 | brlcad | not that your code belongs there :) |
| 21:04.49 | jdoliner | no it doesn't |
| 21:04.49 | brlcad | src/other shouldn't be directly modified |
| 21:05.04 | jdoliner | that's something I didn't know |
| 21:05.07 | jdoliner | k |
| 21:05.12 | jdoliner | no more modifying that |
| 21:05.22 | jdoliner | i'd actually made my own example folder |
| 21:05.23 | brlcad | those are 3rd party codes, external dependencies |
| 21:05.59 | brlcad | they're bundled primarily as a download/compile convenience -- instead of telling people to go download and install A, B, C, ... |
| 21:06.22 | brlcad | configure autodetects what is available on a given system and compiles the remainder of what it needs |
| 21:06.51 | brlcad | src/proc-db is a good 'scratch playground' for new routine and new app development |
| 21:08.22 | jdoliner | k that sounds good |
| 21:38.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34601 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/iges/readstrg.c: if id is null, crash. so check it. (ran into it after stack corruption) |
| 22:21.42 | Ralith | anyone seen jonored around? |
| 22:46.22 | brlcad | ~seen jonored |
| 22:46.24 | ibot | jonored <n=jonored@dsl092-076-134.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 41d 3h 12m 17s ago, saying: '...er... wrong project. the brlcad database, not the reprap... wrong project I want to work on.'. |
| 23:48.10 | brlcad | hm, he was here at least on the first too, but didn't say anything |
| 00:10.26 | Ralith | :/ |
| 00:15.21 | b0ef | wasn't all the docs converted to docbook? |
| 00:36.13 | brlcad | b0ef: most, but not all -- still a lot more to go |
| 04:11.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34602 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: gah, still don't see the bug, but more details after three hours debugging on the small render image crash in X24_blit()'s memcpy. |
| 04:25.00 | brlcad | oh, maybe maybe... |
| 04:33.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34603 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/opt.c: allow 1x1 images |
| 05:06.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34604 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_X24.c: |
| 05:06.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the X24_blit() logic is still wacky for zoomed windows but this change does stop |
| 05:06.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the invalid memory access crashes that were occuring for small renderings (that |
| 05:06.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: had large zooms) during memcpy. the line-duplication logic was copying from the |
| 05:06.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: middle of a line for the length of a line, which is only valid from the |
| 05:06.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: beginning of a line. so we now duplicate from the beginning of the line |
| 05:06.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: (opix/holdit). |
| 05:07.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34605 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: fixed the crash. still has bad behavior, though, for at least -s96 zooms and smaller. |
| 05:21.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34606 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/fedex_plus/Makefile.am: one per line for diffability, remove extraneous tab, can't ldadd something not necessarily built |
| 05:22.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34607 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/clutils/Makefile.am: need -fexceptions on C++ libs to resolve Unwind_Resume. this lib fully resolves now. |
| 05:44.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34608 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db5_scan.c: fix a crash on diradd that was encountered during debugging (-x 11). name is a bu_external, so have to access the enclosed ext_buf if we want to print the name. |
| 05:54.55 | brlcad | renders miqlas's gearbox niftily |
| 06:02.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34609 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/configure.ac: define all of the generated libraries so we can make sure all dependencies are resolved |
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| 06:13.04 | brlcad | hola elena |
| 06:13.22 | elena | hi. how are you? |
| 06:13.41 | brlcad | burning the late oil, but coding so feeling good :) |
| 06:14.01 | elena | LOL what hour is there? |
| 06:14.11 | brlcad | about 2am |
| 06:14.28 | elena | wow. it is very late! |
| 06:15.02 | brlcad | not too horribly late, but I've been waking up at 4am for practice, so it's pretty late :) |
| 06:16.52 | elena | btw i got a copy of the Drupal code and more important, the database. |
| 06:16.58 | elena | is it ok? |
| 06:17.10 | brlcad | is what ok? |
| 06:17.11 | elena | it's only on my pc, i won't share with anyone else? |
| 06:17.19 | elena | getting the db dump. |
| 06:17.39 | elena | "anyone else?" is "anyone else." |
| 06:18.46 | brlcad | oh, yeah that's okay -- but I'd also like to see you working in revision control ASAP |
| 06:18.51 | brlcad | have you used svn before? |
| 06:19.08 | elena | very little. |
| 06:19.25 | elena | i'll read about it. |
| 06:19.36 | elena | i didn't know the code is in svn. |
| 06:19.42 | brlcad | okay, then something to sort out quickly then :) |
| 06:19.48 | brlcad | the code isn't, there is no code |
| 06:19.52 | brlcad | you were starting with a clean slate |
| 06:20.00 | brlcad | but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be revision controlled |
| 06:20.21 | elena | i agree. it's easier to update and keep track of things. |
| 06:20.28 | brlcad | any code being _written_ should be checked in (daily or more frequently) for many many reasons |
| 06:20.47 | elena | andrei (my husband) uses it. he will show me the basics. |
| 06:20.56 | brlcad | the code on the site now isn't custom, so nothing we wrote, nothing really to check in -- just backups of the site |
| 06:22.08 | brlcad | the basics are pretty simple, perhaps starseeker can help walk you through setting up a new repository module with the trunk/branches/tags set up properly |
| 06:22.37 | elena | ok. |
| 06:23.01 | brlcad | actually, now that I think of it -- there is a 'web' module already |
| 06:23.05 | brlcad | go ahead and use that |
| 06:24.16 | brlcad | elena: what's your sf.net username? |
| 06:24.30 | elena | ebautu i think. let me check. |
| 06:24.53 | brlcad | yeah |
| 06:27.56 | elena | yes. that is. |
| 06:36.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34610 10/web/trunk/ (DEVINFO NEWS misc/crontab): cull out some old information so this module can finally be put to use again |
| 06:38.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34611 10/web/trunk/htdocs/ (. more/): add htdocs web root with a 'more' subdirectory for elena to work with |
| 06:38.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34612 10/web/trunk/misc/: remove out-dated crontab example |
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| 06:50.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34613 10/web/trunk/htdocs/ (.htaccess favicon.ico robots.txt): begin sync of some of our more important files |
| 06:55.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34614 10/web/trunk/htdocs/ (12 files in 6 dirs): sync our drupal, mediawiki, and cgi:irc config/setting files |
| 06:56.30 | brlcad | there that should sync the more important aspects that have been revision neglected |
| 06:56.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34615 10/web/trunk/htdocs/skin2/ (27 files): sync our drupal, mediawiki, and cgi:irc config/setting files |
| 06:57.22 | brlcad | that should give you a place to be putting your files, please do ask for help on using svn if you get stuck on something or need a tutorial |
| 06:57.42 | brlcad | most anyone in here should be able to help |
| 06:58.08 | elena | ok. i will |
| 06:58.10 | brlcad | the goal (which is tough for most new committers) is to commit nearly as frequently as you save a file |
| 06:58.29 | elena | i'll try. |
| 06:58.30 | brlcad | even if you know you're going to change something right after |
| 06:58.44 | brlcad | even if there are temporary aspects |
| 06:58.49 | brlcad | you can't commit too frequently |
| 06:58.57 | Ralith | yes you can! |
| 06:59.03 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:59.03 | elena | i'm more concerned about mistakes, than temporary stuff :) |
| 06:59.09 | Ralith | only if you try very hard, though |
| 06:59.15 | brlcad | mistakes are fine, even committed |
| 06:59.24 | elena | ok. |
| 06:59.49 | brlcad | angie has a great writeup about commits on her blog |
| 06:59.53 | brlcad | (drupal dev angie) |
| 07:00.37 | brlcad | here we go |
| 07:00.48 | brlcad | elena: have a read at this when you get a chance: http://webchick.net/embrace-the-chaos |
| 07:00.48 | elena | i know. |
| 07:00.52 | brlcad | good stuff |
| 07:00.52 | elena | thanks. |
| 07:01.27 | brlcad | even the comments are insightful ;) |
| 07:14.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34616 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/Makefile.am: clutils comes first, then clstepcore needs to come next. looks like cldai depends on both. |
| 07:22.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34617 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/cleditor/ (Makefile.am needFunc.cc needFunc.h): |
| 07:22.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: move the needFunc stubbed-empty example from src/test into here so that we don't |
| 07:22.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: have a library calling a fracking undefined symbol. bad design. probably needs |
| 07:22.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: to be an overridable virtual or a app-registered callback. either way, this |
| 07:22.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: resolves all symbols for this lib and allows -no-undefined to work. sort the |
| 07:22.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: file list while at it. |
| 07:24.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34618 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/exppp/Makefile.am: these libs fully resolve after specifying libexpress as a dependency |
| 07:30.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34619 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (cldai/Makefile.am clstepcore/Makefile.am express/Makefile.am): |
| 07:30.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: we can cheat and fake the dependency resolve by letting libstepdai depend on |
| 07:30.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: libstepcore and allowing libstepcore to not require all symbols be defined. |
| 07:30.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: this cyclic dependency really should be broken, though, as it will likely still |
| 07:30.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: cause portability problems. the SDAI functions shouldn't be called from |
| 07:30.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: libstepcore. |
| 07:32.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34620 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (Makefile.am needFunc.cc needFunc.h): shoved the stub function into libcleditor so it should no longer be an unresolved symbol just by using the library. |
| 07:34.09 | brlcad | calls it |
| 07:56.39 | brlcad | ah, hrmph |
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| 13:58.44 | Axman6 | so i'm watching a show about the USS Nimitz (SP?), and it occured to me that i don't know why people in the military have crew cuts... so i figured this would be a good place to ask... |
| 13:58.54 | Axman6 | pokes brlcad |
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| 14:34.06 | ``Erik | 'crew cut' isn't mandated, some people just like it |
| 14:34.41 | ``Erik | the rules are tapered back, off the ears and above the eyebrows, partly to look "neat and trimmed" and partly to not interfere with equipment or get caught in anything |
| 14:35.06 | ``Erik | (women can have long hair, but it has to be in a tight bun or something on duty, iirc) |
| 14:35.41 | ``Erik | (marines have crew cuts so navy guys have a place to set their beer) |
| 14:35.44 | ``Erik | :D *duck* |
| 14:42.46 | ``Erik | looks around for d-lo |
| 14:51.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34621 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/adrt.h: squish these tables a tiny bit more, use hex friendly base values |
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| 16:43.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34622 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/exppp/Makefile.am: oops, not dependent on itself |
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| 16:57.43 | brlcad | fantastic |
| 16:58.18 | starseeker | brlcad: builds successfully here |
| 16:58.22 | starseeker | nice |
| 16:58.23 | brlcad | adjusted repair estimate is over 3k after the paint job |
| 16:58.34 | starseeker | ow |
| 16:58.53 | starseeker | that sucks |
| 16:59.05 | brlcad | *shrug* it's all fully covered :) |
| 17:00.39 | brlcad | i have pictures now, baby is all naked |
| 17:04.32 | brlcad | cool |
| 17:04.46 | brlcad | starseeker: and add that you build successfully, I don't :) |
| 17:07.09 | ``Erik | heh, they made me drive O.o |
| 17:07.20 | brlcad | made you? |
| 17:07.29 | ``Erik | heh, nah, I volunteered |
| 17:07.39 | ``Erik | john had never ridden in it before, and I got it back, so *shrug* |
| 17:07.49 | brlcad | ahh, lunch |
| 17:08.04 | ``Erik | yeah, grumpies had something called a "quesadilla burger" |
| 17:08.22 | starseeker | brlcad: your build is still busted? |
| 17:08.29 | starseeker | does a clean checkout... |
| 17:08.31 | brlcad | starseeker: it's a local mod |
| 17:08.56 | starseeker | ah, OK :-) |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34623 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (6 files in 6 dirs): more cleanup, o-p-l and removal of empty nil vars |
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| 19:06.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34625 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Clean up stray variable declaration. |
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| 02:49.34 | Mike111 | hi all |
| 02:50.50 | Ralith | hullo |
| 02:51.01 | Mike111 | I want to create an animation of a model. |
| 02:52.05 | Mike111 | for a smooth animation it seems better to save the images (different views) and then combine them into an animation file like a GIF |
| 02:52.23 | Mike111 | is it possible to convert .pix to .png of .gif? |
| 02:52.59 | ``Erik | yeah, pix-png |
| 02:54.05 | Mike111 | that's good. is it mentioned in the manuals? I've reat the rt, pix-fb and anim_script but don't think it was there |
| 02:54.50 | ``Erik | which manuals? the man pages? tutorials? O.o |
| 02:55.01 | Mike111 | man pages |
| 02:55.30 | Mike111 | are there separate tutorial on animation? where? |
| 02:55.33 | ``Erik | there's a pix-png man page, yes |
| 02:55.59 | ``Erik | um, there was an outdated paper sitting somewhere, clock was able to make it work, but it required a lot of change to the process |
| 02:56.56 | Mike111 | I don't think it's mentioned in the rt or pix-fb man pages |
| 02:57.46 | ``Erik | hm, those are other programs O.o |
| 02:58.16 | ``Erik | notes that perl is not mentioned in the ls manpage |
| 02:58.34 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:59.16 | Ralith | Mike111: I bet you could script an animation render |
| 02:59.22 | Ralith | but... why? |
| 02:59.46 | Mike111 | other but related. users may be interested in converting from pix. reading these man pages gives an impression it is only processed by mged |
| 03:00.20 | Mike111 | Ralith: animating in real-time via mged may be slow. I want to rt first, save the framebuffer output and them create a smooth animaiton |
| 03:00.34 | ``Erik | (hopefully in the reasonably near future, rt will be able to output png directly... rtedge already can) |
| 03:01.31 | Ralith | Mike111: why do you want to animate directly from brlcad at all? |
| 03:02.39 | Mike111 | Ralith: I don't. I want mged to create a rt frame and then save the framebuffer image. I'll have a series of these figures, merge them into one file and have a nice GIF animation |
| 03:03.09 | Ralith | Mike111: why do you want to animate indirectly from brlcad at all? |
| 03:03.46 | Mike111 | for example: circling around a model, that is, viewing it from a different angle (0,45,90...360) |
| 03:05.30 | Ralith | yes, I know what animating is |
| 03:05.32 | Ralith | but *why*? |
| 03:05.59 | Mike111 | there is an animation page on the brl-cad wiki. I'll look there too |
| 03:06.30 | Ralith | what is the purpose of your endeavor? |
| 03:06.40 | Mike111 | Ralith: viewing the model from different directions helps someone else to understand what you are doing |
| 03:07.03 | Ralith | Mike111: okay, so why not export it to something that has a rendering system designed to do animations, and make a proper video of it? |
| 03:07.59 | Mike111 | you mean convert the .pix to .png and then combine all the .png files into a 30fps movie? |
| 03:08.03 | Ralith | no. |
| 03:08.21 | Ralith | I mean exporting the model to something that has a rendering system designed to do animations. |
| 03:09.06 | Mike111 | you mean like saving it as IGES or whatever and then loading it in a movie-editor application? |
| 03:09.29 | Ralith | I don't know of any video editors that can render from IGES geometry |
| 03:09.52 | Mike111 | can you give me a specific working example what you mean? |
| 03:10.27 | Ralith | if you can get a passable tesselation of your model, blender would make a simple animation like you describe trivial and fast. |
| 03:10.43 | Ralith | as would any other visuals-oriented modeler |
| 03:10.48 | Ralith | s/modeler/3D suite/ |
| 03:11.33 | Mike111 | what's a `passable tesselation'? |
| 03:16.28 | Ralith | one that looks mostly like your model |
| 03:21.01 | Mike111 | what is the I need to export my model in? (to read it in blender) |
| 03:22.27 | Ralith | the only format I know for sure would work is STL |
| 03:32.24 | Mike111 | what were the other alternatives to blender? |
| 03:36.43 | Ralith | whatever visually oriented 3D suite you're familiar with |
| 03:42.38 | Mike111 | haven't used any. Blender seems to be well-supported. I wonder if there are alternatives (simpler). |
| 03:45.20 | ``Erik | lightwave3d, 3dstudio max, maya, ... |
| 03:47.33 | Ralith | there's no such thing as a simple 3D suite. |
| 03:58.22 | Mike111 | looking for GPL and linux-compatible |
| 04:00.01 | Ralith | GPL? That's an awfully small scope. |
| 04:00.32 | Ralith | I'm pretty sure blender is the only remotely decent free 3D suite for any non-beer meaning of free, anyway. |
| 04:01.45 | Mike111 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_(software) gives a few at the bottom of the page |
| 04:02.09 | Mike111 | have you tried K3D? |
| 04:03.58 | Ralith | like I said |
| 04:04.03 | Ralith | I'm pretty sure blender is the only remotely decent free 3D suite for any non-beer meaning of free, anyway. |
| 04:08.20 | ``Erik | "grand theft mariokart" |
| 04:08.36 | Ralith | hehe |
| 04:08.51 | ``Erik | robotchicken++ |
| 04:14.47 | brlcad | notes that getting a 'passable tessellation' of a model can be a project in itself, more complicated than a simple rt animation :) |
| 04:16.13 | Ralith | true, true. |
| 04:16.20 | Ralith | not forever though! |
| 04:16.36 | brlcad | Mike111: give the wiki tutorial a try, it's pretty trivail enough as it is to generate a series of frames for an animation |
| 04:17.21 | Ralith | heey |
| 04:17.29 | Ralith | I bet it wouldn't be hard to extend procedurals to produce a simple animation system |
| 04:17.30 | Mike111 | hi brlcad. that's what I'm doing now. imagemagick's convert doesn't work for the mpeg. |
| 04:17.35 | brlcad | note that brl-cad doesn't render animations -- there are no tools to put those frames together into a video stream, you'll need third party tool for that |
| 04:17.54 | brlcad | convert works fine if you have the video tools installed that they use :) |
| 04:17.54 | Ralith | imagemagick does images, not videos. |
| 04:18.01 | brlcad | Ralith: actually it does |
| 04:18.05 | Ralith | oh really? |
| 04:18.06 | Ralith | cool! |
| 04:18.08 | Mike111 | I'm trying to use ffmpeg |
| 04:18.31 | Ralith | still, I'd use mencoder for creating a video from stills |
| 04:19.19 | brlcad | IM doesn't do it directly, it just parcels out to ffmpeg or mencoder |
| 04:19.50 | brlcad | but does simplify frame compositing, "convert *.png myvideo.mpg" |
| 04:20.37 | Ralith | I do hope it gives you some way to specify compression and framerate at the very least. |
| 04:22.06 | brlcad | *shrug*, if you really need that -- you probably shouldn't be using IM in the first place |
| 04:22.13 | brlcad | but it's great for simple animations |
| 04:22.55 | Mike111 | for a rotating model it seems to be fine. even a GIF animation will do |
| 04:24.09 | brlcad | Mike111: feel free to add additional detail to the wiki if you have something useful to add |
| 04:24.25 | Ralith | brlcad: I think everybody needs to at the very least specify framerate. |
| 04:24.38 | Ralith | considering the use case, 30fps is *not* a reasonable default. |
| 04:24.41 | brlcad | Ralith: 'everybody'? why? |
| 04:24.55 | Ralith | well, most users. |
| 04:25.23 | brlcad | I've made dozens of perfectly acceptable videos without any care whatsoever to the framerate because it was perfectly reasonable default |
| 04:25.31 | Ralith | because a series of images has no intrinsic framerate, and I think it's pretty likely that most imagesets will not compose smooth video, but rather something slower a la hand drawn animation. |
| 04:25.44 | Ralith | I guess not in this case, then. |
| 04:27.59 | brlcad | it's like saying a user must specify a jpeg compression factor when converting images -- there's no intrinsic 'acceptible' compression but sure enough it works just fine to set an arbitrary default |
| 04:28.19 | brlcad | same holds with videos, maybe just slower or faster than expected |
| 04:28.25 | brlcad | big deal |
| 04:28.27 | Ralith | well, you have to consider the common use case |
| 04:28.39 | Ralith | jpegs, you can generally assume that it's going to be a photo or something similar. |
| 04:28.40 | brlcad | exactly |
| 04:28.56 | Ralith | because it'd be silly to use jpeg for most else. |
| 04:29.15 | brlcad | wow, that's a lot of assumptions already :) |
| 04:29.22 | Ralith | and yet it works! |
| 04:29.23 | brlcad | you know that, plenty of people don't |
| 04:30.37 | brlcad | do they need to know that? no, it's (from their perspective) an irrelevant implementation detail |
| 04:30.58 | Ralith | hm. |
| 04:31.01 | brlcad | it's not an issue of whether to provide the knob or not, it's whether they should _have_ to specify it |
| 04:31.10 | Ralith | I guess I started arguing in favor of default framerates without noticing. |
| 04:31.13 | Ralith | wups. |
| 04:32.14 | Ralith | (that explains why things got so confusing just now) |
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| 04:57.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34626 10/brlcad/trunk/ (242 files in 4 dirs): |
| 04:57.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Decouple ged return codes from bu. It was okay when it was just OK/ERROR, but |
| 04:57.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: not with the ged-specific 'MORE' concept and would have been even worse with the |
| 04:57.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: new QUIET option. Make the codes maskable for non-OK so multiple codes can be |
| 04:57.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: returned at the same time. |
| 05:28.38 | Mike111 | is it possilbe to use the `inside command on an ARS primitive? |
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| 08:55.44 | brlcad | Mike111: nope, unimplemented for that primitive |
| 08:56.58 | brlcad | only nmg, eto, ehy, epa, rhc, rpc, part, tor, ell, tgc, and arb8's |
| 08:58.09 | brlcad | wouldn't be too terribly difficult though |
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| 09:45.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0377.120.80.206 07http://brlcad.org * r1460 10/wiki/Main_Page: |
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| 10:39.18 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
| 11:32.02 | brlcad | howyd |
| 11:38.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34627 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: inside support for the ARS (requested by Mike111) |
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| 11:58.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34628 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ged.h: put the new GED_QUIET to use. if caller requests QUIET, then the ged_result_str should not be modified. |
| 12:02.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34629 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ged.h: document the four command failure return codes |
| 12:29.12 | d-lo | Ralith: How do you plan on using QT? Make it a requirement to have it installed and compiled seperately or are you planning on including it in the rt^3 repo? |
| 12:36.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34630 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (3ptarb.c adjust.c analyze.c): collapse a handful of common code patterns with the corresponding GED_ macro. on a quest to have no command directly peek into the ged structure. |
| 12:39.11 | brlcad | premature to include it as the existing codebase |
| 12:39.22 | brlcad | not enough code yet to warrant the effort |
| 12:40.00 | brlcad | wasn't enough to warrant ogre either but iirc, it required some modifications to integrate cleanly |
| 12:41.27 | d-lo | Okay, I was just curious. QT is a biggun, even if you strip it down to the bare minimum needed. |
| 12:45.00 | brlcad | yep |
| 12:45.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34631 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/arb.c: diradd + put_internal pattern. |
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| 12:48.40 | brlcad | general rule of thumb I've seen (for projects that don't follow always/never bundle) is to manage/include it if their codesize is not larger than yours |
| 12:50.00 | brlcad | shades of gray in-between but seems to be the cutoff in terms of sustainable maintainability (as there is a cost to managing every dep) |
| 12:50.15 | brlcad | (whether bundled or not) |
| 12:58.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34632 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (arced.c attr.c bev.c): more GED pattern collapsing |
| 13:07.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34633 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/binary.c: ged_check_exists pattern |
| 13:12.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34634 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/ged.h src/libged/binary.c): rename ged_binary() to ged_bo() so it matches the command name. |
| 13:13.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34635 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): rename binary.c to bo.c to match the command name |
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| 13:41.30 | ``Erik | hugs gtk+ |
| 13:42.07 | ``Erik | thinks zlib and libpng shouldn't be bundled anymore, make 'em deps :( |
| 13:44.27 | ``Erik | (and when do we axe jove?) |
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| 16:59.52 | ``Erik | src/mged/setup.c:71: error: 'ged_binary' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 17:06.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34636 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/setup.c: ged_binary has been renamed to ged_bo. Reflect that in the cmd table. |
| 17:07.30 | brlcad | hum, musta not committed that file |
| 17:13.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34637 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/arb.c: GED_DB_DIRADD now takes a "struct directory" as a parameter. |
| 17:14.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34638 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: ged_binary has been renamed to ged_bo. Reflect that in the cmd table. |
| 17:29.43 | brlcad | ahh, my setup.c was conflicted |
| 17:32.33 | ``Erik | clean build now |
| 17:32.41 | brlcad | cool |
| 17:33.20 | ``Erik | moving the new brlcad.org to a more explicit release tag, btw |
| 17:33.40 | ``Erik | no need to catch the pre-release versions |
| 17:35.23 | ``Erik | (now, I'm saying I have a clean build, I do NOT know if these functions work as advertised...) |
| 17:56.32 | Ralith | d-lo: I think it's fair to expect most *nix users to have Qt already. Windows poses a bit of an issue there, but decent documentation should sort that out. |
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| 18:12.27 | ``Erik | would disagree, but *shrug* |
| 18:12.38 | ``Erik | I tend to be more in the gnome camp myself |
| 18:12.51 | d-lo | lolz @ gnomecamp. |
| 18:13.00 | ``Erik | lolz @ dave |
| 18:13.03 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 18:13.13 | ``Erik | casts magic missile |
| 18:13.16 | d-lo | i get that a lot. |
| 18:13.27 | ``Erik | at the DARKNESS! |
| 18:13.51 | d-lo | The Darkness AOE Debuffs #BRLCAD |
| 18:13.54 | d-lo | oh noes! |
| 18:14.05 | ``Erik | aoe dot, even |
| 18:14.19 | ``Erik | </nerd> |
| 18:14.44 | d-lo | heh, refrencing Damage over Time and IRC in same sentence.... |
| 18:14.47 | d-lo | nice. |
| 18:15.06 | ``Erik | yeah, redundant |
| 18:15.25 | ``Erik | wait, wait, "-1 redundant" |
| 18:15.27 | ``Erik | there we go :D |
| 18:16.13 | d-lo | Ralith: QT is a helluva compile on windows :/ |
| 18:16.23 | d-lo | time wise that is. |
| 18:16.31 | Ralith | well, there's always prebuilt binaries! |
| 18:16.35 | starseeker | d-lo: they should have an installer |
| 18:16.40 | ``Erik | qt is a hell of a compile anywhere, g++ is still a pig :( |
| 18:18.13 | d-lo | starseeker: They do, but it doesn't compile the libs :/ |
| 18:18.21 | d-lo | starseeker: Did some dry runs this weekend. |
| 18:18.37 | Ralith | d-lo: well, for practical purposes, binaries will do fine. |
| 18:19.10 | d-lo | Ralith: Good deal. Otherwise, how are things going? |
| 18:19.32 | Ralith | still bogged up with schoolness, but that will be resolved by monday. |
| 18:19.50 | Ralith | I've dig up that old Qt-in-GL demo again for reference |
| 18:19.59 | Ralith | build and runs tidily. |
| 18:20.21 | Ralith | and I have a good idea of how to get Ogre using a third-party context, so to speak. |
| 18:20.41 | Ralith | thanks to a SDL+Ogre tutorial starseeker found |
| 18:21.43 | Ralith | so implementing a proof-of-concept Qt in Ogre, and probably even slipping Qt underneath current g3d, should be straightforward enough. |
| 18:22.58 | Ralith | so, slow but very promising. |
| 18:23.37 | d-lo | outstanding! |
| 18:23.59 | d-lo | Now, lets hope that the plan and the implementation don't deviate by TOO much ;? |
| 18:24.01 | d-lo | ;? |
| 18:24.32 | Ralith | hehe |
| 18:24.34 | Ralith | let's hope. |
| 18:24.46 | ``Erik | no plan survives contact with the enemy. |
| 19:38.13 | starseeker | wonders if LLVM can build BRL-CAD yet |
| 19:38.35 | Ralith | cling would be interesting to try. |
| 19:44.40 | Ralith | er |
| 19:44.41 | Ralith | clang |
| 19:59.27 | starseeker | Ralith: cling should be the name of a de-compiler ;-) |
| 19:59.39 | Ralith | afks for a while |
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| 20:06.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34639 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): initial bulk trimming work |
| 20:06.06 | ``Erik | w00t |
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| 21:41.51 | Ralith | bulk trimming? |
| 21:45.53 | starseeker | there are stages to the trimming algorithm we are implementing |
| 21:46.15 | starseeker | the first does the "easy" cases - the second (harder) stage does the fine work and needs more logic we don't have in there yet |
| 21:47.38 | Ralith | trimming algorithm? >_> |
| 21:48.03 | starseeker | NURBS surfaces usually have trimming curves that "trim away" parts of the surface |
| 21:48.39 | starseeker | makes for more flexible geometry, but you need to be "aware" of the impact of the curves on the surface you are working with |
| 21:48.50 | Ralith | ah, nurbs work. |
| 21:49.00 | starseeker | right |
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| 22:29.58 | madant | howdy Ralith |
| 22:30.41 | Ralith | hullo |
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| 22:50.15 | madant | how is qt tinkering coming along ? |
| 22:50.23 | madant | i haven't started mine yet :( |
| 23:13.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34640 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/ (Makefile.am opennurbs_curve.cpp): temporary tcl header lookup |
| 03:04.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34641 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/Command.tcl: |
| 03:04.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: protect the gets rename the same way mged/text.tcl does it by making sure the |
| 03:04.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: proc has a body/exists first. the s2 folks reported that they're getting an |
| 03:04.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: error about gets not existing which would be consistent with the Command.tcl |
| 03:04.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: constructor getting read multiple times. |
| 03:17.01 | brlcad | teh awesome, http://brlcad.org/tmp/goliath.png |
| 03:18.41 | brlcad | took 60 cores to crunch that image out in about 3 hours :) |
| 03:18.53 | brlcad | granted it was running at less than half-speed with all the verbose overlap logging |
| 03:19.01 | Ralith | top's a little overexposed |
| 03:19.26 | Ralith | but yeah, very nice |
| 03:19.35 | brlcad | and there are something like 16 spotlight light sources, 128 shadow rays, texturing, bump-mapping, .. lots of reflectivity |
| 03:19.53 | brlcad | pretty "expensive" picture |
| 03:20.09 | Ralith | pretty subtle bumpmapping/texturing. |
| 03:20.15 | brlcad | yep, intentionally |
| 03:20.25 | Ralith | I dunno, it might've been a bit underboard, so to speak |
| 03:20.41 | Ralith | I have a hard time telling it apart from a flat gray untextured model without looking very close |
| 03:20.42 | brlcad | it's closer to what it actually looks like |
| 03:20.57 | Ralith | okay |
| 03:21.09 | Ralith | I guess it actually looks like an untextured model :P |
| 03:21.47 | brlcad | untextured looks much different |
| 03:21.52 | brlcad | way too 'perfect'/clean |
| 03:22.33 | Ralith | I guess it's the lack of a comparison that dose it |
| 03:22.42 | Ralith | does* |
| 03:25.05 | brlcad | and to 'finish' it off, a 2x2 subsampling to eliminate the aliasing and rendering edges cleanly .. |
| 03:25.08 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/goliath2.png |
| 03:27.53 | brlcad | 4x4 would be better, but that would take all night and there are other scenes of the goliath also worth rendering |
| 03:28.46 | brlcad | was nice if only just to sort out how remrt/rtsrv work once again, been a couple years |
| 03:29.30 | brlcad | calls it and heads out |
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| 04:59.49 | brlcad | howdy jdoliner |
| 05:00.06 | starseeker | that is an awesome goliath |
| 05:00.53 | brlcad | it finished shortly after you left |
| 05:00.58 | starseeker | heh figures |
| 05:01.07 | starseeker | scowls at cat |
| 05:01.42 | brlcad | s/sc/throws b/ |
| 05:02.06 | starseeker | nah, enough broken glass here for one night |
| 05:02.17 | starseeker | she's a good enough cat most of the time |
| 05:02.23 | brlcad | glass? :) |
| 05:02.40 | brlcad | was thinking more the stone or metal variety ;) |
| 05:02.49 | starseeker | she knocked over a lamp with an old style neon light bulb in it (you know, the big round ones) |
| 05:02.59 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 05:06.08 | brlcad | thinks these will make a nice set of renderings for the museum |
| 05:09.24 | starseeker | indeed, they'll love it |
| 05:10.34 | starseeker | still would prefer to be sure the texture images are something we can include in the repository |
| 05:11.19 | brlcad | now that it's clear how it'll turn out, should have remrt quell overlaps, quell liboptical light overlap reporting, and render an 8k x 8k for a poster print |
| 05:11.34 | starseeker | :-) |
| 05:12.53 | brlcad | that's about 48 hours at the same settings and cpus, could probably triple the cpu horsepower to have it done overnight |
| 05:13.42 | brlcad | should do the other 2k's of the other 3 or so scenes first though |
| 05:13.54 | brlcad | then pick one to posterfy |
| 05:14.11 | starseeker | heh - museum could sell copies |
| 05:18.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34642 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/photonmap.c: quell overlap reporting for the non-primary photonmapping rays |
| 05:32.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34643 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/photonmap.c: ws style consistency cleanup, fix crazy equal alignment |
| 05:34.08 | starseeker | brlcad: can you leave irc messages for people? |
| 05:34.18 | starseeker | for when they reappear? |
| 05:34.21 | brlcad | memoserv |
| 05:38.10 | starseeker | thanks |
| 05:38.24 | starseeker | 's brain gives out |
| 05:40.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34644 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/refract.c: propagate the same overlap logging behavior on refracted rays as on the originating ray |
| 05:43.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34645 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/sh_air.c: utilize the same overlap logging when shooting rays via the (incomplete) 'textured mist' shader. |
| 05:44.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34646 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/photonmap.c: ws indent |
| 05:55.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34647 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/sh_toyota.c: propagate the overlap reporting callback for reflected texture rays |
| 05:56.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34648 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/ (refract.c sh_light.c): ws, style, indent, consistency cleanup |
| 05:59.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34649 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/sh_light.c: the biggest offenders of all when there are many light sources and/or lots of shadow calsbs. shoot an abundance of shadow rays but now utilizing the same overlap verbosity as the primary application ray. |
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| 06:03.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34650 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 06:03.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: all of the raytracers should now respect an application-defined overlap callback |
| 06:03.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: including (most importantly) the ability to have a lot of light sources with |
| 06:03.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: shadows and not have overlaps profusely reported particularly when the ray |
| 06:03.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: tracer is told to be quiet. |
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| 10:28.24 | d-lo | mernin all! |
| 10:30.56 | d-lo | brlcad: Heh, so what prompted the rt/light fix in r34650 ? =D |
| 10:38.49 | d-lo | brlcad: Kudos on the lighting Wiki page! +1 Digg |
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| 11:43.07 | starseeker | staggers back to an awake state |
| 11:46.51 | d-lo | Staggers? heh, have a good night then eh? |
| 11:51.42 | starseeker | nope. Cat knocked over a lamp with an old style circular bulb in it (think office celing light, just curved into a circle) so I got to get home and spend time on glass cleanup and laundry |
| 11:52.07 | starseeker | tried hard to get some NURBS work done but brain shut down just before 2am |
| 11:52.57 | starseeker | is surprised indianlarry isn't in yet |
| 11:53.31 | d-lo | I think he is here.... |
| 11:53.46 | d-lo | here, as in at work, if not on irc |
| 11:53.48 | starseeker | indianlarry: online? |
| 11:55.03 | indianlarry | yes sorry |
| 11:55.08 | starseeker | np - morning! |
| 11:55.16 | indianlarry | how it go |
| 11:55.43 | starseeker | 's brain thinks it should still be in the OFF setting - I'm convincing it otherwise |
| 11:55.57 | starseeker | had a couple questions on the trimming code |
| 11:56.04 | indianlarry | sure |
| 11:56.31 | starseeker | if I've got it right, the CurveTree is being built in the preprocess-trims stage, and does not persist beyond that stage currently? |
| 11:56.49 | starseeker | i.e., when we get to the utah_isTrimmed stage the tree isn't present? |
| 11:57.14 | indianlarry | the curves should be attached to each 3d subdivision |
| 11:57.27 | starseeker | ok - where are they stored? |
| 11:59.16 | starseeker | knows that's embarassingly basic - sorry |
| 12:00.27 | indianlarry | in the top surfacetree object there's an xsorted list of all curve segments 'm_sortedX' ad an y sorted list 'm_sortedY' |
| 12:00.41 | indianlarry | sorry probably need to change to U,V references |
| 12:00.47 | starseeker | ah, ok |
| 12:00.52 | indianlarry | then in each subdivision |
| 12:01.50 | indianlarry | there is an 'm_trims_above' and an 'm_trims_right' list |
| 12:02.30 | indianlarry | so far it looks like i can remove the right and ysorted list |
| 12:02.32 | starseeker | does it being private mean we won't be able to get at it from brep.cpp? |
| 12:03.02 | starseeker | indianlarry: I'd leave them for the moment |
| 12:03.20 | indianlarry | just intend to access through member functions like isTrimmed(u,v) |
| 12:03.22 | starseeker | at least, until we hit it with some tougher geometry |
| 12:03.51 | starseeker | Oh, I see |
| 12:04.01 | indianlarry | i'll put the quick linear is in test should get us one step closer before newton |
| 12:04.07 | starseeker | cool |
| 12:04.16 | indianlarry | you all stay up too late |
| 12:04.27 | starseeker | heh |
| 12:04.52 | indianlarry | i'll get crackin and try to clean it up a bit |
| 12:05.24 | starseeker | np - I saw that TODO about finding multiple overlapping boxes and figured that was needed for the more "detailed" trimming |
| 12:05.50 | starseeker | opennurbs_ext.h line 909 currently |
| 12:06.41 | indianlarry | yea should only happen in special cases but can happen (sharp edge turned back on self) |
| 12:07.19 | starseeker | thought we were going to make a list of all overlapping trim segments and store that for an isTrimmed test, but perhaps the above+right method gives us a subset that contains that subset and is "close enough" without doing the extra work of identifying the actually overlapping line segments |
| 12:08.18 | starseeker | is the set of above+right guaranteed to contain all possible intersecting trim line segments? |
| 12:08.28 | indianlarry | actually just the above should give us everything i'll probably remove the right |
| 12:08.35 | starseeker | really |
| 12:08.42 | starseeker | huh |
| 12:09.08 | indianlarry | i think so |
| 12:09.46 | starseeker | oh, right - do the brain experiment of trying to construct a trim line that intersects, has a line segment to the right, and NOT a line segment in or above (both of which should show up as "above"?) |
| 12:10.04 | indianlarry | you got it |
| 12:10.25 | starseeker | <Windows NT booting noise> |
| 12:10.28 | starseeker | brain coming up |
| 12:10.34 | indianlarry | heh |
| 12:11.15 | indianlarry | do you try openbook? |
| 12:11.27 | starseeker | yeah - it actually looks impressive! |
| 12:11.37 | indianlarry | how long in prep |
| 12:11.49 | starseeker | because it has so many small nurbs surfaces, it actually gets startlingly close |
| 12:11.56 | starseeker | not too long |
| 12:12.02 | starseeker | Sean wasn't at all bothered |
| 12:12.09 | indianlarry | cool we're on the way |
| 12:15.14 | starseeker | indianlarry: so for the IsTrimmed test, you will take the list of above line segments from the m_trims_above subdivision entry, check each segment bounding box to see if it truly is above or inside, and if inside find the box with the closest linear approximation based closest point to the hit point? |
| 12:15.49 | starseeker | then if we need to, inside that last box we can go from the linear approx. based test to an actual closest point test? |
| 12:17.29 | indianlarry | yes |
| 12:17.48 | starseeker | ok, I get it now :-) |
| 12:18.00 | indianlarry | i'm thinkang about carrying the vdot to bound the iteration |
| 12:18.38 | indianlarry | and precomputed slope |
| 12:18.39 | starseeker | might be a good idea |
| 12:19.32 | starseeker | is glad he didn't muck with the code too much last night - would have done waaaay more work for less benefit |
| 12:19.56 | starseeker | was mentally stuck on getting a list of JUST overlapping sections, not overlapping plus above |
| 12:20.26 | starseeker | when the correct answer is probably "meh, we can sort that out cheaply and quickly at IsTrimmed" |
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| 12:21.31 | indianlarry | hopefully i'll have something before you get in |
| 12:21.37 | starseeker | thinks some ascii-art uv space pictures might be in order for code documentation of these structures... |
| 12:21.48 | starseeker | indianlarry: probably - I've got to get it together here :-) |
| 12:21.55 | starseeker | indianlarry: awesome, awesome work |
| 12:23.40 | indianlarry | starseeker: your idea |
| 12:25.24 | starseeker | not so much with how do deal with the trimming curves and boxes |
| 12:25.33 | starseeker | er to deal with |
| 12:26.06 | starseeker | hunts for a way to ascii art output vector drawings... |
| 12:29.07 | starseeker | maybe create by hand, we'll see |
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| 13:24.44 | starseeker | here are some text versions of the uv parameter space: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/uvfig.txt |
| 13:24.52 | madant | brlcad: can i have access to a decent computer somewhere :) something which has lesser than 2 hour build time i mean |
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| 14:16.04 | brlcad | starseeker: what are the vertical lines? |
| 14:47.26 | starseeker | 2D raytrace paths |
| 14:58.43 | ``Erik | why, is that a metaball on that lighting page? :D |
| 15:00.16 | brlcad | because it's what I snarfed from wikipedia |
| 15:00.27 | ``Erik | doh |
| 15:02.37 | ``Erik | then you should probably do something to note where it came from or something to comply with the gfdl |
| 15:06.36 | brlcad | i did |
| 15:06.43 | brlcad | feel free to make it better :P |
| 15:17.36 | ``Erik | oh, click to follow, okie |
| 15:17.46 | ``Erik | you're not in today? (at least, not in the next 13 minutes?) |
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| 15:48.16 | elena | hi |
| 16:19.21 | starseeker | hey elena |
| 16:19.33 | elena | hi starseeker |
| 16:19.35 | starseeker | how's it going? |
| 16:19.52 | elena | almost ready with the theme. |
| 16:20.01 | elena | i've worked locally until now |
| 16:20.09 | elena | and soon will start to use svn. |
| 16:20.21 | starseeker | yeah, you need to be using svn throughout |
| 16:20.30 | starseeker | need an intro to it? |
| 16:20.33 | elena | brlcad said i should use it and commit frequent. |
| 16:20.42 | starseeker | he's right |
| 16:21.02 | elena | i read about it and i checkout the more folder |
| 16:21.05 | starseeker | if you're not set up for that, that's definitely the next thing to do |
| 16:21.08 | elena | which is empty now. |
| 16:21.23 | starseeker | uh, I thought it was web |
| 16:21.29 | starseeker | checks |
| 16:21.38 | elena | web/htdocs/more |
| 16:22.01 | starseeker | ok. you're working in that directory? |
| 16:22.22 | elena | i guess so. isn't that where I should? |
| 16:22.39 | starseeker | sure. just need to commit |
| 16:22.54 | elena | aha. |
| 16:23.05 | elena | i was expecting to find the drupal code in d folder. |
| 16:23.16 | elena | but only has the site settings. |
| 16:23.33 | elena | in the more may i commit the drupal code? |
| 16:23.41 | elena | or it goes in some other place? |
| 16:24.37 | starseeker | go ahead and commit - we can always undo |
| 16:24.46 | starseeker | put it where it works, we can fix it if we need to |
| 16:24.46 | elena | ok. |
| 16:24.59 | elena | this is the theme i started with http://drupal-5x.themebot.org/?theme=fireflystreamcom |
| 16:25.31 | elena | but i made some changes to it. |
| 16:26.04 | elena | i liked the colors. |
| 16:26.06 | elena | :) |
| 16:26.35 | starseeker | don't worry about the theme much - first order of business is the core functionality |
| 16:26.42 | starseeker | themes later |
| 16:26.47 | elena | ok. |
| 16:27.21 | elena | i'll get an preview version this week. |
| 16:28.10 | starseeker | sounds good :-) |
| 16:28.19 | elena | can you check is the svn tags are ok? |
| 16:28.21 | starseeker | you can check in without being finished |
| 16:28.39 | starseeker | tags? |
| 16:28.40 | elena | brlcad said you could make sure they are "set properly". |
| 16:28.51 | elena | i don't know exactly how to do that. |
| 16:29.02 | elena | maybe he did it when added more to the svn. |
| 16:30.09 | starseeker | OK, I'll check with him and do what needs doing |
| 16:30.13 | starseeker | if anything |
| 16:30.14 | elena | i believe that is what he said "tags set properly". sorry, I don't remember exactly :( |
| 16:30.25 | elena | thank you. |
| 16:30.36 | elena | ~log |
| 16:30.37 | ibot | well, log is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowhead/ |
| 16:30.37 | starseeker | you can commit? |
| 16:31.23 | elena | i didn't try yet. i have the code in another folder. |
| 16:31.23 | starseeker | I think it's actually http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ |
| 16:31.45 | starseeker | might as well give it a whirl and see :-) |
| 16:31.55 | elena | ok. i will. |
| 16:32.09 | starseeker | Don't be shy - we're here to help :-) |
| 16:32.18 | elena | :) |
| 16:32.34 | starseeker | I've committed any number of embarassingly bad things |
| 16:33.47 | starseeker | and I can't spell :-P |
| 16:35.11 | elena | i found it. he said: "the basics are pretty simple, perhaps starseeker can help walk you through setting up a new repository module with the trunk/branches/tags set up properly" |
| 16:35.31 | elena | but then asked for my sf username and maybe he did it. |
| 16:35.51 | elena | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/20090601.html.gz |
| 16:36.16 | starseeker | kinda looks like there are branches and tags directories, but I doubt we'll need them yet |
| 16:36.26 | elena | ok. |
| 16:36.37 | starseeker | unless he's got something specific in mind, I would expect you'd work in trunk |
| 16:36.52 | starseeker | checks log |
| 16:37.47 | starseeker | well, maybe... |
| 16:39.07 | starseeker | ah, yeah - we're using the "web" module so we don't need to set up a new one |
| 16:39.21 | elena | ok. |
| 16:39.30 | elena | module == folder ? |
| 16:39.56 | starseeker | kinda |
| 16:40.04 | starseeker | functionally that's about it |
| 16:41.11 | starseeker | basically work you do won't impact work in the iBME, brlcad or jbrlcad efforts (which have their own build systems, etc.) |
| 16:41.30 | elena | aha. |
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| 17:50.32 | elena | i get: |
| 17:50.38 | elena | svn: Commit failed (details follow): |
| 17:50.45 | elena | Commit blocked by pre-commit hook (exit code 1) with output: |
| 17:50.59 | elena | /var/local/mastertree/host/sfp-svn/hook-scripts/check-mime-type.pl: |
| 17:51.15 | elena | then for each file says: svn:mime-type is not set |
| 17:51.48 | elena | in the end it suggests to use svn propset svn:mime-type for each file. |
| 17:53.02 | elena | or : You may want to consider uncommenting the auto-props section in your ~/.subversion/config file. |
| 17:53.28 | elena | oh. obvious. :) |
| 17:53.40 | d-lo | righto. If you are trying to commit code, then use 'svn propset svn:mime-type text/plain' |
| 17:53.49 | d-lo | or whatever mime-type is needed. |
| 17:54.17 | elena | i'll uncomment that line since there are too many files to do it manually. |
| 17:54.42 | elena | i didn't understand what it says until I pasted it. :) |
| 17:57.40 | d-lo | irc will eventually solve the world's problems. :) |
| 17:59.21 | ``Erik | by removing humans from it? :D |
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| 18:11.21 | d-lo | ``Erik: only certain humans |
| 18:12.04 | ``Erik | namely; those that use irc? :D |
| 18:14.04 | d-lo | that cyclic logic just made my nose bleed.... :/ |
| 18:14.23 | brlcad | madant: still working on it, but you might have to just go with slow (and learn how to only do subbuilds) .. |
| 18:14.35 | brlcad | haven't had the time to get things set up |
| 18:16.35 | ``Erik | "how not to hummer your business" ow O.o |
| 18:17.50 | brlcad | elena: yeah, by using the existing 'web' module, the trunk/branches/tags was already set up, then I further cleaned up the checkout by putting in the more pertinent config files |
| 18:18.26 | elena | ok. thank you. |
| 18:20.40 | brlcad | elena: that's your own box of sand to work in, though, you can put what you want/need into there |
| 18:21.18 | elena | i'm about to. |
| 18:21.26 | elena | still fighting svn :) |
| 18:21.35 | starseeker | elena: this is helpful http://brlcad.org/wiki/Mime-types |
| 18:21.39 | elena | i'll commit drupal first. |
| 18:21.54 | elena | i think i got it. |
| 18:22.00 | elena | commiting now. |
| 18:22.02 | elena | thanks. |
| 18:22.18 | starseeker | the subversion config there saves a LOT of the propset stuff |
| 18:22.23 | elena | it doesn't seem hard, it's just the first time. |
| 18:23.42 | brlcad | the example config file on the wiki will auto-set props on a lot of file types |
| 18:23.44 | starseeker | you will grow to love svn, especially after your first major accidental overwrite/save disaster ;-) |
| 18:23.56 | brlcad | because you want mime types to be set as wel as eol-style |
| 18:24.44 | starseeker | for large commits of lots of new files, that config file is all but essential |
| 18:25.02 | starseeker | REALLY suggest getting it set up |
| 18:25.31 | elena | ok. i got it. |
| 18:25.41 | elena | i'll add drupal specific files, too |
| 18:35.25 | elena | goes to get dinner |
| 18:41.43 | brlcad | happy hunting |
| 18:43.46 | brlcad | elena: and you really must commit before doing any more work :) |
| 18:44.28 | brlcad | same goes for everyone really |
| 18:45.40 | brlcad | hardest new dev behavior, antisocial, actually counterproductive in the long run the longer time between/until commits |
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| 18:59.20 | louipc | could they set up a personal repo and merge their work in? |
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| 19:01.46 | brlcad | louipc: only if they're doing so several times a day |
| 19:02.16 | brlcad | the point isn't so much the revision control as it is the communication of how and why development occurs to others, throughout the whole process |
| 19:02.26 | brlcad | not just some checkpointed end-result |
| 19:02.42 | brlcad | it's a communication mechanism |
| 19:02.47 | louipc | yeah |
| 19:03.23 | louipc | I was thinking it could help wean new devs on the idea of frequent commits. |
| 19:04.05 | brlcad | usually happens best when they just dive in head first |
| 19:04.13 | louipc | haha good stuff |
| 19:04.20 | brlcad | so the benefits become evident more quickly |
| 19:04.21 | brlcad | seriously |
| 19:04.46 | brlcad | if it's only partial, the opposite occurs -- they'll wean themselves into less and less frequent commits eventually into isolation |
| 19:06.03 | brlcad | happens nearly universal, particular when they're new or insecure or (intentionally or unintentionally) subversive and generally 'afraid' of being open about their development process |
| 19:06.08 | brlcad | and activities |
| 19:06.28 | louipc | I guess it depends on the person really |
| 19:07.45 | brlcad | it does, but the tendency is pretty universal particularly for new developers |
| 19:07.52 | starseeker | typically the fear is betray of inexperience/inability - everybody starts out that way, but none of us like to admit it ;-) |
| 19:08.05 | louipc | yeah |
| 19:08.17 | brlcad | nobody wants to show their mistakes |
| 19:08.23 | starseeker | the point isn't don't make mistakes - the point is figure them out and fix 'em |
| 19:08.39 | brlcad | want everything to be "just perfect" before they share it, like working on a piece of art that is finally unveiled |
| 19:09.23 | brlcad | unfortunately, these are living works of art that have to be worked on by others if they are to survive, long after their contribution |
| 19:09.32 | starseeker | this trend can be encouraged by environments that a) punish mistakes and b) take a silly mistake as evidence of incompetence |
| 19:09.39 | louipc | that's why I like the idea of patches and reviewing them with others, they don't need to go into the working code until they're right |
| 19:09.55 | louipc | but you still get the communication and everything |
| 19:10.17 | starseeker | good project management has to be very constructive - work to solve problems and improve people's skills |
| 19:10.26 | brlcad | code is easily read 10 times more than it is written, communicating intention and process throughout the development becomes critical, otherwise it's actually 'cheaper' to throw their contribution out the window and rewrite it from scratch |
| 19:11.09 | brlcad | (openly) |
| 19:11.27 | louipc | yep |
| 19:12.32 | starseeker | the only times when there is justification for working long on code in isolation is something like a mathematical algorithm in a CAS system where it is easy to get code that produces AN answer and it's (very) difficult to be sure it's the RIGHT answer just by looking at the answer. In that case, releasing code that gives "an" answer is an invitation to misuse. But such cases are EXTREMELY rare |
| 19:13.46 | starseeker | I don't think BRL-CAD really has any such cases - the closest is probably analytical ray tracing for things like weight or surface area, but even there the answer itself serves as a sanity check - it has physical meaning |
| 19:16.09 | ``Erik | of course, releasing code that gives "an" answer may invite people to review and possibly correct or ask useful questions |
| 19:16.55 | starseeker | my experience with mathematical software suggests it's far more likely to be used by people to solve pratical problems than to be reviewed with the care necessary to detect subtle errors |
| 19:17.27 | starseeker | there is a reason mathematical problems drive formal methods in coding ;-) |
| 19:17.45 | louipc | just make sure you put a disclaimer |
| 19:17.51 | ``Erik | heh, and there's a reason that copy&paste coding is considered harmful :D |
| 19:18.26 | starseeker | copy/paste in what sense? |
| 19:18.36 | louipc | I copy paste |
| 19:18.47 | ``Erik | people who grab code without understanding what it does and shove it in |
| 19:19.34 | starseeker | ah. I was thinking more along the lines of people solving engineering problems and plugging their values into a "solver" for their particular equation |
| 19:20.48 | ``Erik | so like a copy&paste coder who uses a library without knowing what it does underneath and doesn't care to learn because it's already there? :D |
| 19:21.30 | ``Erik | we were actually having a discussion about which sorting algorithm to use for the nurb trimming this morning, heh :D |
| 19:22.16 | louipc | haha I was taught the virtues of not knowing/caring what a library's function was doing, only what you put in and got out |
| 19:22.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: in commercial coding, they probably won't LET you see the code behind the library |
| 19:22.36 | louipc | kind of bad I guess... |
| 19:22.58 | ``Erik | well, I'm thinking basic operations, like the set and sort stuff in jabba |
| 19:23.16 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 19:23.28 | starseeker | basic operations are more likely to be correct, just statistically speaking |
| 19:23.43 | starseeker | simpler, more use cases that will shake out errors |
| 19:23.44 | ``Erik | one of the neat things about STL was that it explicitely defined the asymptotic behavior |
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| 20:18.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34651 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): started second level of NURB trimming using linear approximation |
| 20:38.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34652 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/ (327 files in 52 dirs): Initial commit. Drupal 5.18 |
| 20:38.39 | brlcad | woot :) |
| 20:38.44 | brlcad | ~elena++ |
| 20:38.50 | starseeker | excellent |
| 20:39.55 | brlcad | starseeker: even when working on a mathematical algorithm, you're not necessarily releasing that effort into production -- committing doesn't mean it has to be enabled for end-user use |
| 20:41.02 | brlcad | quite the contrary, you can get some synergy where someone instantly recognizes a flaw early that saves the would-be-isolationist from going down the wrong path with bad assumptions/axioms for hours/days/weeks on end |
| 20:41.19 | brlcad | or help with testing the implementation or documenting right away, etc |
| 20:42.28 | elena | hurray. it finished. |
| 20:42.31 | brlcad | most of what you refer to is a matter of making it user-visible and announced or at least active for use |
| 20:42.39 | brlcad | elena: hurrah! :) |
| 20:42.46 | elena | it turns out i had to remove everything and svn add them again. |
| 20:42.58 | brlcad | yeah, props will do that |
| 20:43.08 | brlcad | (wiki page mentioned that) ;) |
| 20:43.27 | elena | :( |
| 20:43.28 | starseeker | brlcad: true - I guess the problem with some of those projects is the line between "user visible" and "commited to public repository" isn't really there |
| 20:43.48 | brlcad | project infrastructure |
| 20:43.56 | starseeker | elena: It will get better - commiting large amounts of other code generally causes the most trouble with props |
| 20:44.12 | starseeker | shudders at the memory of the docbook commits... |
| 20:44.14 | brlcad | have to provide some way for code to develop openly but distinguished from vetted algorithms |
| 20:44.17 | elena | btw, you should change the room title... |
| 20:45.12 | elena | now that config is set, the following adds/commits should work ok. |
| 20:46.04 | elena | now i'll checkout on the server :) |
| 20:46.45 | ``Erik | find . -name .whatever -print0 | xargs -0 svn propset ... |
| 20:46.58 | ``Erik | *.whatever, even |
| 20:47.05 | ``Erik | :D |
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| 20:54.44 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.8 posted (20090511) || GSoC2009 Next Step: code code, type type, commit frequently while you work! update wiki/blog on daily progress. | |
| 20:55.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34653 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/.htaccess: Initial commit. Drupal 5.18 (cont) |
| 20:57.34 | elena | i forgot some (hidden) files. |
| 20:57.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34654 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/profiles/default/ (. default.profile): Initial commit. Drupal 5.18 (cont) |
| 21:00.26 | elena | may I create a database/user? |
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| 21:06.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34655 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/: Added more.brlcad.org but svn:ignored. |
| 21:11.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34656 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/themes/ (33 files in 3 dirs): Added fireflystream theme (initial commit) |
| 21:16.50 | ``Erik | ahhh hhhhaaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:22.20 | brlcad | elena: sure |
| 21:22.26 | brlcad | let me know if you need a hand |
| 21:22.31 | elena | thanks. |
| 21:22.47 | brlcad | just shouldn't allow remote connections |
| 21:22.57 | elena | ok. |
| 21:24.45 | brlcad | elena: you didn't have to use 5.x simply because the current site is |
| 21:24.56 | brlcad | don't know if that was why or just because it's more stable |
| 21:25.21 | elena | i like it better than 6. |
| 21:25.32 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: you there? |
| 21:30.19 | elena | brlcad I can't create it. i don't have the rights. |
| 21:30.52 | elena | can you help me? |
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| 21:53.16 | brlcad | yup, send me user/pass in pm |
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| 23:20.22 | Ralith | anyone else having lots of [near-]timeouts? |
| 23:44.11 | brlcad | Ralith: I was, but not now |
| 23:48.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34657 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp): |
| 23:48.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: closest NURBS trimming curve shouldn't ever be NULL - assign closest to the |
| 23:48.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: first curve in all cases, then check for anything better. Visual artifacts now |
| 23:48.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: more consistent with that expected for stage 2 trimming - activating and |
| 23:48.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: committing. |
| 00:04.34 | starseeker | now we're getting somewhere: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/d2_second_stage_trimming.png |
| 00:04.47 | starseeker | ~indianlarry++ |
| 00:06.31 | starseeker | still some artifacts, some due to not being the final "smooth" trim and some probably due to other problems, but none the less - wwwoooottt! |
| 00:31.26 | indianlarry | starseeker: you still there |
| 00:31.39 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 00:31.46 | indianlarry | what up |
| 00:31.59 | ``Erik | wow is evil. |
| 00:33.38 | indianlarry | clan larry |
| 00:35.00 | indianlarry | starseeker: look great |
| 00:35.15 | indianlarry | lookx |
| 00:35.17 | indianlarry | looks |
| 00:45.17 | ``Erik | noms his salad |
| 01:17.57 | starseeker | is back |
| 01:18.31 | starseeker | indianlarry: isn't that cool? nice job! |
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| 02:05.26 | brlcad | starseeker: indianlarry: pretty cool, getting down to the floats! |
| 02:06.04 | brlcad | updates to check his test cases |
| 02:06.59 | brlcad | gets giddy |
| 02:08.41 | starseeker | not down to floats yet - next is the final close-to-trim solve |
| 02:08.56 | starseeker | once that's done, we start debugging corner cases :-) |
| 02:12.50 | brlcad | you're close |
| 02:12.57 | brlcad | those sizes are getting sub-mm |
| 02:13.14 | brlcad | that approaches the realm of floats |
| 02:13.33 | brlcad | not yet close to the realm of doubles -- that's a ways off still |
| 02:27.08 | brlcad | neat.. they're much better behaved |
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| 02:30.36 | starseeker | awesome |
| 03:08.12 | brlcad | starseeker: http://brlcad.org/tmp/nurbs1.png & nurbs2 through 4 |
| 03:09.06 | brlcad | 3 is pretty good, the other ones all have something interesting going on |
| 03:30.55 | starseeker | winces |
| 03:30.58 | starseeker | ouch |
| 03:32.46 | starseeker | that's depressing |
| 03:47.31 | brlcad | oh no, you should have seen how bad they *were* :D |
| 03:50.52 | brlcad | they do indicate various logic issues remaining though |
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| 12:45.06 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, im here now |
| 12:45.13 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: heh, too late |
| 12:45.25 | brlcad | stephen was asking if you were there |
| 12:45.36 | PrezKennedy | haha |
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| 13:11.05 | d-lo | Nothing like a power outage to start the work day off right :) |
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| 13:54.35 | ``Erik | heh |
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| 17:38.07 | brlcad | indianlarry: ping |
| 18:04.57 | ``Erik | starseeker won't leave him alone :D |
| 18:05.42 | ``Erik | talking about uv curves and stuff, I think they're getting ready to go sunbathing O.O |
| 18:06.32 | d-lo | doesn't want *any* part of those kind of curves.... *retches* |
| 18:06.34 | d-lo | =D |
| 18:08.19 | indianlarry | brlcad: pong |
| 18:20.28 | starseeker | ``Erik: when I get dug deep into a problem, I become a tad obsessive |
| 18:21.38 | ``Erik | solve how I'm going to retire to a private carribean or south pacific island in the next 3 months |
| 18:21.38 | ``Erik | :D |
| 18:22.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34663 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: added new curve estimator for trims |
| 18:23.03 | starseeker | indianlarry: thanks! |
| 18:24.24 | starseeker | ``Erik: depends - are you OK with getting out one step ahead of the law? |
| 18:32.02 | ``Erik | hahaha |
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| 23:41.22 | ``Erik | hah, ran into a /usr/lib/librt.so on a linux box, nifty |
| 23:42.50 | Ralith | hehe |
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| 01:03.13 | ``Erik | heh, pheer ~{ ~} |
| 01:10.55 | Ralith | ? |
| 01:11.17 | Ralith | as in, the lisp format thingies? |
| 01:25.20 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 01:27.25 | Ralith | has been teaching himself lisp |
| 01:27.30 | Ralith | very fun stuff. |
| 01:28.14 | ``Erik | indeed |
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| 01:57.18 | brlcad | howdy pacman87 |
| 01:57.42 | brlcad | ready to code yet? :) |
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| 02:00.56 | Mike111 | hi all |
| 02:03.44 | brlcad | howdy Mike111 |
| 02:04.19 | Mike111 | hi brlcad; how are you? |
| 02:09.02 | Mike111 | I will have a non-brlcad model supplied (maybe as IGES or DXF). I want to change the model, that is, replace an original object (component in the model) with my own. How do I do that? |
| 02:09.16 | brlcad | i'm great, busy times but great |
| 02:09.26 | brlcad | can't wait to see how these renders turn out... |
| 02:09.50 | brlcad | Mike111: it totally depends on the supplied model and how it's structured |
| 02:10.55 | Mike111 | they model won't be a brl-cad format so there won't be a `tree' of combinations or primitives |
| 02:10.56 | brlcad | many imports come in as polygonal meshes, which suck to edit (in brl-cad) beyond affine transforms (translation/rotation/scale) and delete/duplicate/replace |
| 02:11.13 | brlcad | it may still be a collection of 'parts' |
| 02:11.34 | brlcad | if your editing intent is to replace a given part, you should be able to delete the part and replace it with your own |
| 02:12.37 | Mike111 | is there a way to automate this, if I need to do this repeatedly for the same model (try several different components) |
| 02:14.45 | ``Erik | you're asking if BRL-CAD can automatically remove regions and replace them with other (different) geometry? O.o |
| 02:15.36 | Mike111 | if I can script this operation, that is, define which part I want to remove, remove it and then attach the new part |
| 02:15.38 | brlcad | if what you're doing is identically repetitive or repetitive in some prescribed pattern, sure it could be automated |
| 02:15.51 | brlcad | heavily scriptable system |
| 02:15.59 | brlcad | pick your poison/language |
| 02:16.15 | brlcad | tcl inside mged, anything outside |
| 02:16.27 | ``Erik | plus the clone and pattern tools |
| 02:16.53 | brlcad | example scripting here: http://brlcad.org/wiki/SGI_Cube |
| 02:17.00 | Mike111 | so far I've written script which I just piped in mged (a series of mged commands) |
| 02:17.25 | Mike111 | the SGI example is good. clear to follow. |
| 02:17.51 | Mike111 | Erik: what are those? |
| 02:18.19 | ``Erik | commands inside of mged |
| 02:20.17 | brlcad | Mike111: lots of commands categorized and listed in: http://brlcad.org/w/images/5/52/MGED_Quick_Reference_Card.pdf |
| 02:20.30 | brlcad | as well as the appendix of the MGED Tutorial |
| 02:21.54 | Mike111 | Thanks. |
| 02:22.31 | Mike111 | still not clear to me how exactly do I select a part of a DXF or IGES model. |
| 02:24.14 | ``Erik | depends on how it converts |
| 02:24.40 | Mike111 | brl-cad can import these formats directly, right? |
| 02:25.14 | brlcad | yes, there's dxf-g and iges-g |
| 02:25.31 | brlcad | if they have multiple objects, they will import as multiple objects |
| 02:25.38 | brlcad | give it a try, see what it does :) |
| 02:26.31 | Mike111 | once I loaded a DXF or IGES model, how do I check its `tree'? with `ls'? |
| 02:27.33 | ``Erik | sure, or fire up the geometry viewer |
| 02:27.49 | brlcad | tops, l, ls *, tree, ... |
| 02:28.08 | brlcad | lots of ways -- Tools -> Geometry Browser will show you graphically |
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| 02:30.41 | Mike111 | do you know a good GPL meshing program? |
| 02:31.05 | starseeker | you mean mesh editing or mesh conversion? |
| 02:32.45 | Mike111 | I mean meshing a model (not conversion), that is, taking a 3d model and creating a mesh (say unstructured) on the skin |
| 02:33.25 | Mike111 | Other applications (such as structural analysis) need a mesh to analyze a model |
| 02:33.28 | starseeker | um. it depends on what input data you're starting with. point cloud? CSG model? nurbs surface? |
| 02:34.42 | Mike111 | I will have a CSG model which I generate in brl-cad. |
| 02:35.14 | ``Erik | g-stl ? |
| 02:35.24 | Mike111 | Later on, I may have a model which is imported (DXF or IGES) plus a component made in brl-cad |
| 02:35.45 | Mike111 | Erik: you mean exporting the brl-cad model into stl? |
| 02:36.29 | brlcad | many of our exporters mesh on output |
| 02:36.36 | brlcad | g-dxf, g-stl, g-obj, g-nff, g-x3d, etc |
| 02:36.41 | ``Erik | plus there's an mged command called "facetize" which converts the named region to a triangle version |
| 02:37.05 | brlcad | those formats don't support CSG or implicit geometry, so we have to convert to their representation |
| 02:39.23 | brlcad | if you really want to get fancy for FEA purposes, the recommended approach would probably be to buy a Cubit license ($300 for 5-years) and use our g-sat converter which hooks to Cubit |
| 02:39.33 | brlcad | their meshing facilities are some of the best for FEA |
| 02:40.25 | brlcad | as for free, there's not really a lot of good meshers for FEA purposes that are open source, at least not that preserve solidity |
| 02:54.59 | Mike111 | the lab here used a mesh generator running on CentOS linux. |
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| 02:55.30 | Mike111 | as I understand, it needs an IGES file which `only describes the skin' (outer surface of the model) |
| 02:55.37 | Mike111 | that's what the lab users just told me |
| 02:56.58 | brlcad | yeah, iges supports a wide variety of geometry including skin-only models |
| 02:57.25 | brlcad | we call them "plate-mode bots", and such an iges should import as such iirc |
| 02:57.31 | Mike111 | can I directly export the model as `skin-only' from brl-cad or one its exporters? |
| 02:57.42 | brlcad | "bots" == "bag of triangles" |
| 02:58.07 | brlcad | we only export skin-only if it imported as skin-only |
| 02:58.41 | Mike111 | what is I create the model in brl-cad from scratch? |
| 02:58.57 | brlcad | those are solid models |
| 03:00.11 | Mike111 | so they cannot be exported as `skin-only'? |
| 03:00.32 | brlcad | a solid model that is tessellated to a bot is trivial to convert to a plate-mode bot |
| 03:00.59 | brlcad | I'm not sure I believe that you actually need skin models though, *especially* if it's for a mesher designed for FEA |
| 03:01.19 | brlcad | a general content mesher, sure |
| 03:01.26 | brlcad | but not one for analytic purposes |
| 03:01.58 | brlcad | I'd bet your lab is abusing some non-analytic mesher tool (simply because it was free and did the job) |
| 03:02.41 | brlcad | hm, looks like our iges exporter will not export plate-mode bots |
| 03:04.40 | Mike111 | what about the option you mentioned on tesselating a bot and converting it to a plate-mode bot? |
| 03:12.43 | brlcad | that's possible but it wouldn't do anything useful for you |
| 03:12.56 | brlcad | before guessing, you probably should just take a very simple test case and see how it works |
| 03:13.03 | brlcad | make a sphere |
| 03:13.11 | brlcad | export that sphere as dxf, iges, and stl |
| 03:13.25 | brlcad | see how each import into that mesh tool |
| 03:13.49 | brlcad | then try importing something, export it as dxf, iges, and stl .. see how it imports into the mesher |
| 03:14.23 | brlcad | that will answer way more questions than speculating on what is possible, our terminology, their terminology, your understanding, etc ;) |
| 03:23.43 | Mike111 | OK, I'll give it a try and take it from there. |
| 03:24.39 | brlcad | cool, please update on how it goes! |
| 03:25.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34665 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS TODO): the shaders.sh regression test case is failing due to a change in view initialization. needs to be fixed. |
| 03:26.01 | Mike111 | The Lighting tutorial is clear. Howeverm, now the link is missing from the brlcad wiki page. |
| 03:28.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:77.120.80.206]] with an expiry time of infinite (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
| 03:28.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1461 10/wiki/Main_Page: Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/77.120.80.206|77.120.80.206]] ([[User talk:77.120.80.206|Talk]]); changed back to last version by [[User:98.218.53.50|98.218.53.50]] |
| 03:28.27 | brlcad | fixed |
| 03:28.49 | brlcad | it's a wiki .. you can fix it if it happens again ;) |
| 03:28.59 | brlcad | just select History, see what happened |
| 03:29.14 | Mike111 | sure, thanks for the info. |
| 03:29.37 | brlcad | if you compare a revision to the previous, it'll show the changed lines. you can see in that one that someone spammed a link this morning |
| 03:30.31 | Mike111 | nasty |
| 03:31.11 | brlcad | happens |
| 03:31.17 | Mike111 | how do I place light sources in specific locations, such as in the tutorial? |
| 03:31.19 | brlcad | it's trivial to revert |
| 03:31.31 | brlcad | you create geometry, put it where you want |
| 03:31.52 | brlcad | e.g., there I created little spheres |
| 03:32.18 | brlcad | you put them in a region and mark the shader as a 'light' |
| 03:32.39 | Mike111 | so if a primitive has only the `Light' shader enable they essentially act only as light sources? |
| 03:33.06 | Mike111 | so if a primitive has only the `Light' shader enable it essentially acts only as a light source? |
| 03:33.07 | brlcad | 'only' as light sources? |
| 03:33.50 | brlcad | when you apply the light shader, it's considered a light, which means it illuminates the scene |
| 03:33.56 | brlcad | creating a light disables the default lights |
| 03:34.14 | brlcad | rather, rendering a scene with a light in it disables the defaults |
| 03:34.25 | brlcad | not just creating it, have to have it in your scene ;) |
| 03:34.35 | Mike111 | that's the -A0 setting? |
| 03:34.46 | brlcad | no, that's the ambient energy in the scene |
| 03:35.48 | brlcad | that page isn't meant to explain everything about lighting -- there's too much to cover for that short space -- it's meant to explain lighting _after_ you already understand how to create a light :) |
| 03:36.06 | brlcad | the tutorial series covers lighting iirc |
| 03:36.22 | Mike111 | you mean volume II? |
| 03:36.24 | brlcad | but basically you create geometry, apply light shader, then render |
| 03:36.50 | brlcad | II or III -- that's the series |
| 03:41.11 | Mike111 | Vol. II, p.124:"The light shader is technically complex and not discussed in this tutorial". :( |
| 03:41.11 | brlcad | make sph sph ; r light.r u sph ; mater light.r light 255 0 0 0 |
| 03:41.23 | brlcad | that will make a red spherical light |
| 03:41.34 | brlcad | so maybe it was III |
| 03:42.46 | brlcad | or not.. |
| 03:42.57 | Mike111 | I'll check later in detail. |
| 03:43.01 | brlcad | don't see a light ref |
| 03:44.45 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/ugm2002/ShadingObjects.pdf covers it a little bit |
| 03:45.20 | brlcad | but if you run that line I gave you and then edit the object with the combination editor (then select 'shader'), you'll see the options |
| 03:45.53 | Mike111 | I was looking at these options yesterday, after reading the lighting tutorial |
| 03:47.59 | Mike111 | can you clarify what are the `fraction' and `lumens'? settings for intensity? |
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| 03:57.11 | brlcad | ignore lumens |
| 03:57.23 | brlcad | fraction is the % contribution to the scene |
| 03:57.41 | brlcad | so if you have just one light, it contributes 100% |
| 03:57.51 | brlcad | you can make it twice as bright by making it 200% |
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| 03:58.30 | Mike111 | so it's basically the intensity? |
| 03:58.41 | brlcad | if you have two lights with fractions 1 and 1, they'll both be contributing 100% respectively (resulting in the same 'intensity' as one light at 200%) |
| 03:58.54 | brlcad | basically, but it's balanced among all lights in your scene |
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| 03:59.40 | Mike111 | ok. what are `angle' and `target'? |
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| 04:01.19 | brlcad | angle is the direction the light faces |
| 04:01.27 | brlcad | er, sorry, target |
| 04:01.38 | brlcad | target is the direction |
| 04:02.05 | brlcad | angle is the angle of the light cone -- default is 180 degrees |
| 04:02.15 | brlcad | 20 degrees would make a sort of "spotlight" |
| 04:02.35 | brlcad | .1 degree would be like a laser |
| 04:02.49 | brlcad | 5 degrees like a flashlight, etc |
| 04:03.00 | Mike111 | you mean how much the light is `spread'? |
| 04:03.03 | brlcad | right |
| 04:03.37 | brlcad | they're directional by default, not omnidirectional |
| 04:03.55 | Mike111 | would 360 give an omnidirectional source? |
| 04:04.06 | brlcad | you know, I don't remember :) |
| 04:04.49 | Mike111 | 180 means the source only emits towards the `bottom'? |
| 04:05.39 | Mike111 | so that's why you need a target? to specify a direction vector around which the light `spreads'? |
| 04:12.15 | Mike111 | brlcad: sorry but I need to go now. I'm logging the chat so if you reply I'll view that later. Cheers |
| 04:14.21 | brlcad | right |
| 04:14.30 | brlcad | that's direction and the spread/angle |
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| 04:54.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34666 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp): |
| 04:54.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: linear approximation a lot closer, now need to get the final newton |
| 04:54.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: step working on the trims. I do see some artifacts from the tangent sign |
| 04:54.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: change in the UV horizontal(v) but as discussed that should be an easy fix, |
| 04:54.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: The hit checks (odd/even) are back on so you may see some background specks |
| 04:54.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: around edges - this seems to have cleaned up some of the odd looking behavior |
| 04:54.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: in the images BRLCAD generated (but didn't check all models) |
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| 09:04.50 | brlcad | indianlarry: up late eh? :) |
| 09:22.39 | Ralith | aren't we all? |
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| 09:33.51 | Axman6 | brlcad: do/have you done any Ada programming? (i feel i've asked you this before, so sorry if i have) |
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| 10:21.32 | Ralith | sleeps |
| 11:32.25 | d-lo | Mernin all! |
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| 11:50.30 | starseeker | indianlarry: awesome! |
| 11:51.48 | starseeker | thank you! |
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| 12:18.49 | starseeker | scowls at jove - where did "jove.h:431: error: conflicting types 'getline'" come from? |
| 12:39.51 | starseeker | hmm - some sort of getline definition in stdio.h... ugh |
| 13:01.01 | starseeker | disables jove building and moves on with life |
| 13:02.32 | ``Erik | svn rm ftw O.o |
| 13:04.09 | starseeker | blinks at the number of format argument complaints he's getting |
| 13:04.30 | starseeker | serves me right for updating my system - now I'll bet my gcc/automake combo is too new to work again... |
| 13:06.33 | ``Erik | eh? |
| 13:07.06 | starseeker | runs gentoo unstable, so I tend to be uncomfortable close to the "cutting edge" of gcc/autotools versions |
| 13:07.24 | ``Erik | has a feeling that the actual problem is a more strict automake and an inferior package management system that did not update all the packages that installed (now old style) m4 files? :D |
| 13:07.54 | starseeker | eh, possibly |
| 13:08.07 | starseeker | not sure how to spot that |
| 13:08.12 | ``Erik | lots of "underquoted" issues? |
| 13:08.35 | starseeker | no, more complaints about "expects unsigned int, but given long int" or some such |
| 13:08.45 | ``Erik | ohhh, type issues, n/m :) |
| 13:09.23 | ``Erik | what are your -W flags? |
| 13:09.32 | starseeker | should be default |
| 13:09.49 | ``Erik | doesn't remember default O:-) |
| 13:10.22 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.05 | starseeker | yeah, not sure |
| 13:11.18 | starseeker | isn't too concerned right now - more important that install works |
| 13:11.34 | starseeker | (me neeeeeds moooore cooores......) |
| 13:11.46 | starseeker | 40 minute builds suck |
| 13:12.17 | starseeker | guesses when Qt/Ogre installs become part of the game the time will have come to upgrade this sucker |
| 13:12.48 | _clock_ | Qt a part of brlcad install? |
| 13:13.00 | starseeker | not yet |
| 13:13.06 | starseeker | we might never put it in |
| 13:13.30 | starseeker | but Ralith is exploring combining the Qt toolkit with Ogre |
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| 13:18.19 | starseeker | hmm: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883107970 |
| 13:28.15 | starseeker | what on earth: /usr/bin/install: will not overwrite just-created `/usr/brlcad/share/man/man3/librle.3' with `../../../../brlcad/src/other/libutahrle/librle.3' |
| 13:29.45 | starseeker | sees duplicate entry in Makefile... how did it get there... |
| 13:33.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34667 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/libutahrle/Makefile.am: Remove duplicate entry for librle.3 |
| 13:36.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34668 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtienet/Makefile.am: Remove duplicate tienet_util.h entry |
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| 13:39.51 | ``Erik | ponders the breakage in opennurbs |
| 13:40.08 | ``Erik | src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_system.h:150: error: expected identifier or '(' before '/' token |
| 13:40.12 | ``Erik | line #'s must be off |
| 13:40.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34669 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/images/Themes/Windows/Makefile.am: Remove duplicate entry for pane_collapse.png |
| 13:41.20 | starseeker | blinks |
| 13:42.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: where are you seeing that? |
| 13:42.52 | ``Erik | amd64 fbsd7 |
| 13:42.53 | starseeker | what OS I mean |
| 13:42.55 | starseeker | ah |
| 13:43.24 | ``Erik | knew what ya meant :D |
| 13:44.24 | starseeker | gets the latest nurbs raytrace of shape1.s - swwwweeeeet |
| 13:45.08 | starseeker | ok, so that was it - my toolset is suddenly picky about duplicate file listings in Makefile.am |
| 13:45.13 | starseeker | <snort> |
| 13:45.20 | starseeker | oh, well - legit errors I suppose |
| 13:45.32 | starseeker | alrightie, I'm on the road |
| 13:46.44 | d_rossberg | ``Erik: // => /* */ |
| 13:46.54 | ``Erik | yes, compiling with that |
| 13:47.08 | ``Erik | wanted the compile to finish before I commited :) |
| 13:47.57 | ``Erik | there're more of those, I'll wait until I get them all and commit 'em all at once |
| 13:48.10 | d_rossberg | isn't // already legal in C code? |
| 13:49.34 | ``Erik | it's c99 |
| 13:50.26 | ``Erik | I'm compiling with "-W -Wall -ansi -pedantic" because I'm nuts |
| 13:54.03 | ``Erik | meh, screw it, we'll just say c99 is required for opennurbs :D |
| 13:54.49 | d_rossberg | opennurbs is C++ :P |
| 13:54.59 | ``Erik | it's mostly c++, there're 2 C files in it |
| 13:55.27 | ``Erik | which is how I'm tripping that issue :) |
| 14:33.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34670 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: |
| 14:33.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: added initial curve approximation to trims, still some fuzz, haven't optimized |
| 14:33.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: merely replaced linear check for now i'm sure its slower |
| 15:29.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34671 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: pass in the full uv point in the curve iteration function (not sure I'll need it but if I do this will minimize the effort to swap out different curve solver attempts) - no functionality change |
| 15:37.24 | indianlarry | starseeker: probably should have passed it in for good measure, could also use to stop iteration is v falls out of closeness (is that a word?) |
| 15:37.49 | starseeker | not sure :-) |
| 15:38.15 | starseeker | was just going to take another stab at writing a newton iterator, looks like it needs both but I'm not totally sure |
| 15:38.55 | starseeker | probably need the test of within the triangle defined by the normals and the line segment between the two end points too |
| 15:38.59 | starseeker | (ick) |
| 15:39.16 | indianlarry | sounds good i'm looking at getting rid of the horz v problem and checking a couple saw tooths |
| 15:39.40 | starseeker | cooool |
| 15:39.49 | starseeker | (lunch, back in a bit) |
| 15:40.08 | indianlarry | okay |
| 15:40.33 | indianlarry | (cigar break) |
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| 16:08.06 | madant | is finally all set (sort of) .. sleepless nights here i come |
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| 17:04.24 | starseeker | is back |
| 17:07.32 | ``Erik | sticks his finger up his nose |
| 18:10.14 | ``Erik | heh http://www.newtechusa.com/PPI/pressroom.asp#higher |
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| 18:17.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34672 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: Add an attempt at a Newton iteration solver. Still waaay too many hard coded values chosen arbitrarily - doesn't seem to be better than Keith's initial curve approx. |
| 18:32.54 | starseeker | indianlarry: is this the kind of effect you're seeing? http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/edge_oddness.png |
| 18:34.05 | starseeker | I'm nirting through those cracks, and I'm not seeing any failed to converge errors... not sure what to make of it |
| 18:38.07 | starseeker | fwiw, a specific example is Origin (x y z) = (28.64 19.53 23.17), Direction (x y z) = (-0.7424 -0.5198 -0.4226) |
| 18:51.31 | starseeker | that ALMOST looks like a sawtooth behavior - it doesn't seem to be a newton convergence issue, although I could be wrong. |
| 19:06.16 | indianlarry | starseeker: i found the saw tooths, looks to be my error tolerences on the bulk BBoxes |
| 19:06.52 | starseeker | nice work! |
| 19:07.58 | indianlarry | starseeker: won't need to set error so high if i get the BBoxes breaking on the Horz/Vert peaks |
| 19:08.07 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:08.28 | indianlarry | would make curve lie on inside of BBox |
| 19:10.44 | starseeker | how did you want to do that? Newton converge to find the max within the bounding box? |
| 19:10.52 | indianlarry | for sure |
| 19:12.22 | starseeker | ponders how to approach that... |
| 19:16.34 | indianlarry | not sure but at least 2d problem and brute forcing an iterative approach is doable especially in prep stage |
| 19:16.56 | indianlarry | starseeker: sorry having connection problems |
| 19:17.32 | indianlarry | starseeker: wow, now that's a saw tooth you posted |
| 19:17.50 | indianlarry | starseeker: bur yes that's what i was seeing as well |
| 19:17.51 | starseeker | that's a zoomed in sawtooth ;-) |
| 19:17.59 | starseeker | having connection problems too |
| 19:18.30 | indianlarry | starseeker: in most places things seem pretty tight |
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| 19:18.44 | starseeker | indianlarry: what about checking the tangent vectors at the start and end points? even if it is a special case, it might help |
| 19:19.18 | indianlarry | starseeker: definitely, will start there |
| 19:19.45 | indianlarry | starseeker: did brlcad try and raytrace that phone again? |
| 19:20.03 | starseeker | don't think so - let me see if I can take a stab at it |
| 19:20.21 | ``Erik | shouldn't you be enjoying scotch and a cigar instead of wanking around on irc? O.o :D *duck* |
| 19:21.10 | indianlarry | ``Erik: something sensual about working in the raw and nobody knowing... oops |
| 19:21.31 | ``Erik | wait, no one knowing? |
| 19:21.35 | ``Erik | looks for his pants O:-) |
| 19:22.55 | indianlarry | puts scitch back in cabinet |
| 19:23.11 | indianlarry | then puts scotch back in cabinet |
| 19:23.27 | starseeker | that how you can tell you've had enough? ;-) |
| 19:23.52 | indianlarry | almost ;^{o>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
| 19:25.56 | ``Erik | no, 'i' and 'o' are right next to eachother, that's the beginning of the buzz |
| 19:26.11 | ``Erik | when he spells it "astjopch", ... |
| 19:26.40 | starseeker | actually doesn't see which one is the phone... |
| 19:27.02 | indianlarry | starseeker: didn'y see it either |
| 19:27.21 | indianlarry | it is a laptop keyboard |
| 19:28.05 | brlcad | indianlarry: haha |
| 19:29.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34673 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (34 files in 3 dirs): Added the p/parameter command to Archer. |
| 19:29.28 | indianlarry | brlcad: where's the phone/pda dot.g |
| 19:29.42 | brlcad | looks |
| 19:30.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34674 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtie/ (tie.c tie_kdtree.c): Irrelevant type signing fixes. Remove unused parameters. |
| 19:35.56 | brlcad | indianlarry: hm, hm.. some good and bad news :) |
| 19:36.09 | brlcad | somethings are rendering better, some not at all any more :) |
| 19:36.18 | brlcad | it's the HTC-Magician |
| 19:36.44 | brlcad | ...which looks like wasn't uploaded! |
| 19:37.02 | starseeker | thought so |
| 19:37.34 | brlcad | going up now |
| 19:37.47 | starseeker | brlcad: is that piston.g file THE piston? |
| 19:38.03 | brlcad | nope |
| 19:38.06 | starseeker | didn't think so |
| 19:38.32 | brlcad | that was before I found it, hunted for and checked a bunch of other pistons |
| 19:38.40 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:39.05 | brlcad | huh |
| 19:39.11 | brlcad | actually the phone did upload |
| 19:39.19 | brlcad | just not showing in the listing for some reason |
| 19:39.24 | brlcad | ah, permissions |
| 19:39.34 | indianlarry | brlcad: hopefully it's an odd hit issue, noticed some elements (Pumkin text) were just single surfaces not solid |
| 19:40.41 | brlcad | indianlarry: it lists now |
| 19:40.55 | indianlarry | brlcad: thanks |
| 19:41.14 | brlcad | indianlarry: yeah, the single surfaces weren't solid so that makes sense though rendering them as a thin surface was useful/interesting |
| 19:41.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34675 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (libtienet/load.c libtienet/load.h slave/slave.c): revert back to magic void* for now |
| 19:41.27 | brlcad | implicit plate-mode |
| 19:41.54 | starseeker | brlcad: some of the geometry in this phone is failing isValid |
| 19:42.08 | indianlarry | brlcad: just uncomment "//#define KODDHIT" in brep.cpp |
| 19:42.52 | brlcad | starseeker: I know, that's some of them |
| 19:43.15 | brlcad | indianlarry: k |
| 19:44.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34676 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/tpkg.c: I don't think ports > 65535 make much sense... |
| 19:50.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34677 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (16 files in 7 dirs): eliminate trailing whitespace |
| 19:50.45 | starseeker | brlcad: I take it this sucker was valid geometry in Rhino? |
| 19:51.02 | brlcad | starseeker: don't know, found model |
| 19:51.14 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:51.32 | brlcad | I'd be surprised, though -- it wasn't a hobby job |
| 19:55.14 | brlcad | it's interesting to note that the iges one renders semi better with the old nurbs code |
| 19:55.21 | brlcad | sans trims |
| 20:02.11 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm wondering about our 3dm importer - this phone geometry doesn't look so hot |
| 20:02.25 | brlcad | no doubt it needs work |
| 20:02.36 | brlcad | half the examples I found failed outright or aborted mid-stream |
| 20:02.44 | brlcad | that's why I left both |
| 20:02.57 | starseeker | loaded it into Rhino and exported again - still bad geometry |
| 20:03.06 | brlcad | displays in rhino? |
| 20:03.12 | starseeker | yes |
| 20:03.52 | brlcad | so something to trace, could be that IsValid() is wrong or being used as a check incorrectly/unnecessarily |
| 20:04.13 | brlcad | didn't investigate exactly the validity it's complaining about |
| 20:04.45 | starseeker | we're sure this phone is supposed to be solid and not just a surface model? |
| 20:05.14 | brlcad | eh |
| 20:05.18 | brlcad | that was never claimed |
| 20:08.10 | brlcad | don't tell me you're just thinking of that? :) i'll say it again, those are a set of fairly *random* 3dm files. they are a random sampling of real models found around the net, obviously provoking a random set of issues across the board (import, validation, rendering, etc) |
| 20:08.45 | starseeker | well, we've been focused on correct trimming |
| 20:08.55 | starseeker | one thing at a time |
| 20:09.04 | brlcad | of course |
| 20:09.48 | brlcad | what did you expect though? |
| 20:10.08 | starseeker | thought you would reject anything not claiming to be solid ;-) |
| 20:11.34 | brlcad | well the original intent was hunting for the piston model, as I remembered it was readily available somewhere |
| 20:11.51 | brlcad | so it was more a matter of find 3dm, see what happens |
| 20:11.54 | starseeker | ah |
| 20:11.58 | starseeker | got it |
| 20:12.00 | brlcad | still a good measure of where things are at overall |
| 20:12.25 | brlcad | as those should all be well-*behaved* regardless of their structure |
| 20:13.04 | brlcad | not saying that's the priority now, or the focus, or something to worry about right now even -- that was never the intention |
| 20:14.47 | starseeker | OK :-) |
| 20:15.12 | starseeker | we (or I anyway) thought they were examples of wacked trimming behavior |
| 20:15.25 | brlcad | they very well could be |
| 20:15.32 | brlcad | some of them were clearly trimming poorly |
| 20:17.41 | starseeker | hmm: http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/cox_cad_models.htm |
| 20:19.06 | brlcad | those are pretty cool |
| 20:20.51 | brlcad | anyways, just gotta multitask the info from earlier, not to disregard/ignore but not to focus on to the point of ignoring the big picture -- just some more test cases that should be investigated (for variety of purposes) |
| 20:21.44 | brlcad | they're found models -- some of the best ways towards making the tools robust and well-behaved, e.g. has me looking through the 3dm importer to see why (most)/many failed |
| 20:22.07 | starseeker | nods |
| 20:22.23 | brlcad | as I did pretty much exactly what a user would have |
| 20:22.38 | brlcad | stashes those new 3dm's in and tests |
| 20:23.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34678 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/Makefile.am: update dependancy information. |
| 20:24.20 | starseeker | that PeeWee piston is a monster |
| 20:24.25 | starseeker | 300 regions |
| 20:24.40 | starseeker | adjusts drawing routine to have a hope of eing it up |
| 20:26.02 | brlcad | awesome, black widow isn't 'too' shabby |
| 20:26.35 | brlcad | massive convergence failure reporting |
| 20:26.52 | starseeker | er, yeah - sorry about that |
| 20:26.57 | starseeker | debugging output |
| 20:27.14 | brlcad | takes a pic |
| 20:28.02 | starseeker | it very probably shouldn't be attempting to converge in most of those cases - the limit that restricts the newton converence to a domain where it "should" work is stupid simple right now |
| 20:29.17 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/nurbs5.png |
| 20:29.47 | brlcad | that top cap is pretty interesting |
| 20:29.48 | starseeker | hah - not too bad |
| 20:30.04 | brlcad | probably just an even/odd count problem |
| 20:31.52 | brlcad | i'm really happy to see the db encoding isn't a problem |
| 20:32.23 | starseeker | how long did it take it to draw that wireframe? |
| 20:32.53 | brlcad | breaking up the 3dm into per-object objects is minimal overhead, maybe 10% |
| 20:32.56 | starseeker | 's wireframe draw was a lot slower than the raytrace - some work to do there |
| 20:32.59 | brlcad | wireframe was instant |
| 20:33.07 | starseeker | huh - odd |
| 20:33.16 | starseeker | can you do me a favor and try the PeeWee model? |
| 20:33.25 | brlcad | gettin' there |
| 20:33.27 | brlcad | going down the list |
| 20:33.47 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 20:34.39 | brlcad | oof, Cox Olympic aborts rt :) |
| 20:35.03 | brlcad | opennurbs_curve.cpp:3172: failed assertion `false' |
| 20:35.22 | brlcad | seemed to import clean at least |
| 20:36.45 | brlcad | ah, same on Cylinder 020 |
| 20:39.17 | brlcad | peewee wireframe is also instant |
| 20:39.29 | brlcad | maybe you have your surface plotter enabled |
| 20:41.17 | brlcad | peewee crashes (not via assertion) |
| 20:41.44 | brlcad | ah, wait, there is an assertion .. just delayed logging |
| 20:43.22 | brlcad | oh, shoot.. wrong mged -- screw those last results |
| 20:44.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34679 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Bringing up the menu shouldn't toggle (i.e. expand/collapse) the tree. |
| 20:51.20 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/nurbs6.png <- cox olympic |
| 20:52.00 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/nurbs7.png <- cylinder 020 (ouch) |
| 20:54.30 | indianlarry | looks to be an GetNextDiscontinuity in the ON_Curve that will walk down and give discontinuities for derivative,tangent and curvature |
| 20:54.42 | indianlarry | could it be that easy |
| 20:54.44 | brlcad | peewee wireframe does suck now |
| 20:55.01 | starseeker | yeah, was afraid of that |
| 20:55.17 | starseeker | indianlarry: oo, that would be awesome |
| 20:55.39 | starseeker | just check if it is in the bounding box - if it is, split the box at that y value |
| 20:55.54 | starseeker | or domain value rather |
| 20:56.21 | indianlarry | it will actually give you the curve param point which is what i walk down so break at each discont |
| 20:56.44 | indianlarry | hope it works |
| 20:58.45 | brlcad | starseeker: about 4min to e, fwiw |
| 20:58.52 | brlcad | render is zippy |
| 20:59.08 | ``Erik | heh, like, cox .049 black widow? I have a couple of those at home O.o |
| 20:59.20 | ``Erik | and I think I might have a cox peewee somewhere |
| 20:59.20 | brlcad | not many warnings spewed either, but pretty wrong |
| 21:00.00 | indianlarry | i base the trim error on the length of the curve in uv and the ends of cylinder are a long linear trims |
| 21:00.07 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/nurbs8.png <- pee wee |
| 21:01.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34680 10/brlcad/trunk/ (22 files in 6 dirs): Eliminate libtienet. |
| 21:03.19 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/nurbs9.png <- nice! |
| 21:04.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34681 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: More Newton iterator tweaking. |
| 21:08.39 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, that's my iterative wireframe routine crapping out |
| 21:09.19 | starseeker | almost wonder if the way to go is to make an "edge tree" routine and use that... |
| 21:09.43 | brlcad | last one, tee dee, http://brlcad.org/tmp/nurbs10.png |
| 21:10.56 | brlcad | geometry with .g's uploaded for convenience (regions fixed to not have spaces so they e up) |
| 21:11.09 | starseeker | brlcad: cool, thanks! |
| 21:11.17 | brlcad | starseeker: curious, what's it iterating on? |
| 21:11.31 | brlcad | because it didn't look any different than in .4 |
| 21:11.41 | brlcad | which was instant |
| 21:11.43 | starseeker | yeah, it wouldn't |
| 21:11.54 | starseeker | shape1 does look different |
| 21:12.12 | starseeker | have you tried that one in .4 vs trunk lately? |
| 21:13.23 | starseeker | it's making sure the wireframe is "smooth" to within some multiple of the tolerance |
| 21:13.31 | starseeker | I'm sure it's not very intelligent about it |
| 21:14.08 | brlcad | I just did, that was all the reporting about them failing to render |
| 21:15.08 | brlcad | the difference in wireframes was probably there, but it certainly wasn't drastic enough to notice (on any of them) |
| 21:15.34 | starseeker | yeah, shape is kinda a worst case wireframe |
| 21:16.01 | starseeker | if it's a big model compared to tolerance, the routine does a lotta work for ziltch |
| 21:16.31 | starseeker | hmm, that might be an option, base it on some fraction of the smallest bounding box dimension... |
| 21:19.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34682 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Eliminate libtienet. |
| 21:21.15 | brlcad | it's the same problem the other primitives have |
| 21:22.00 | brlcad | they need to be dynamic to model size and view size, levels of detail |
| 21:22.46 | brlcad | which for the most part can all be done with view size, but there are some absolute model/computation limits that it should enforce |
| 21:33.50 | brlcad | ``Erik: looks like that does a hell of a lot more that just eliminate libtienet... |
| 21:35.15 | ``Erik | there might be a little more, but big chunks were moved out of libtienet into their application dir |
| 21:35.19 | brlcad | and could ya make the commit any bigger? jeez. |
| 21:35.24 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 21:35.26 | ``Erik | svn mv, dude |
| 21:35.29 | brlcad | bob's rubbing off on you |
| 21:35.41 | brlcad | and yeah, that sounds so wrong :) |
| 21:37.03 | ``Erik | (and I'm just getting warmed up on the horrors, mebbe I'll get to commit and run like hell for my car) |
| 21:37.04 | starseeker | brlcad: correct me if I'm wrong, but the primitive plotting routines don't currently know anything about the view, do they? |
| 21:37.28 | brlcad | starseeker: none at all, that's why it's not been simple to fix |
| 21:37.34 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:37.39 | starseeker | ok, very good |
| 21:37.39 | brlcad | requires a functab change which affects all prims |
| 21:37.55 | brlcad | I was going to get to it *after* all of the functab refactoring |
| 21:38.14 | brlcad | still have a bit of work under way to finish up there |
| 21:38.21 | starseeker | yeah, that's what I thought - fairly intrusive change |
| 21:38.45 | brlcad | gsi had a quick hack that we could adopt, but it really was a big ugly for my taste |
| 21:39.03 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:39.08 | brlcad | they implemented a hi/lo command that would toggle wireframe detail |
| 21:39.19 | starseeker | That's worth doing right, imho |
| 21:39.44 | brlcad | primitves were modified to do what they do now and an even higher-res smooth version |
| 21:39.51 | starseeker | might also help with the "use arcs as well as lines" approach? |
| 21:40.10 | brlcad | the primitives shouldn't be tessellating themselves |
| 21:40.17 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:40.24 | ``Erik | hm, 3 arcs instead of 48 lines, that'd be nifty |
| 21:40.40 | brlcad | instead of returning render segments, they should return their edges/contours/surfaces -- e.g. the brep form |
| 21:41.03 | brlcad | from the brep form, tessellate as needed based on view size |
| 21:41.52 | brlcad | they could still self plot, but even then they could return as ``Erik mentioned -- arcs/curves lines points, etc |
| 21:42.07 | brlcad | basically a crude brep form |
| 21:44.08 | ``Erik | runs for his car |
| 21:44.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34683 10/brlcad/trunk/ (13 files in 11 dirs): flatten ADRT build. |
| 21:46.16 | ``Erik | yeah, I spoze that's 'nuff breakage for one afternoon :D |
| 21:53.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34684 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Hack around a performance issue with the adaptive sampling drawing for NURBS - this isn't a final solution but should avoid the killer performance zones. |
| 21:55.34 | starseeker | brlcad: does that help any? |
| 21:58.18 | brlcad | yes |
| 21:58.30 | brlcad | about .5s on peewee |
| 22:00.08 | starseeker | that preserves the shape1 drawing and attempts to "recognize" when it needs to be less fine |
| 22:00.25 | starseeker | will still have bad areas of course, but might be a reasonable compromise for now |
| 22:01.10 | brlcad | cool |
| 22:03.48 | starseeker | the trick is essentially to recognize that if we have to subdivide beyond some number N times, we have an edge describing a large length compared to the tolerance and the better course is to hope that big steps are "smooth" |
| 22:04.47 | starseeker | if indianlarry's singularity trick could be applied to edges we might look for derivative changes as another tool, but it can wait until a "proper" solution is available |
| 22:04.58 | starseeker | (especially given it's a universal primitive problem at the moment) |
| 22:09.32 | starseeker | indianlarry: so far what I'm seeing suggests that the linear approximation is a Really Good approximation for trimming - with that zoom in showing sawtooth it may be that at default resolutions shape1 isn't triggering a need for the exact curve solutions |
| 22:14.30 | brlcad | nod |
| 22:41.47 | ``Erik | looks for his engines |
| 22:53.11 | ``Erik | hm, can't find 'em :/ must still be at my parents place |
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| 22:09.14 | madant | broken build ? |
| 22:09.27 | breeden | really? |
| 22:11.59 | madant | ./adrt.h:146: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before âuint8_tâ |
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| 22:21.00 | jdoliner | what do I need to do to not get a shell script when I compile code in src/proc-db? |
| 22:29.31 | jdoliner | brlcad |
| 22:36.34 | madant | jdoliner ? for debugging ? |
| 22:36.42 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 22:36.52 | jdoliner | i can't use gdb on it :( |
| 22:37.50 | madant | well u can always remove the binary from no_install in the make file .. and do make install and debug ? or better just type the long compile line ;) |
| 22:38.21 | madant | i mean run the build command manually |
| 22:38.41 | madant | maybe there is a more elegant solution in brlcad's hands though |
| 22:39.40 | madant | and jdoliner , isn't the build broken ? |
| 22:39.58 | jdoliner | is it? |
| 22:40.04 | jdoliner | that might be part of my problem |
| 22:40.12 | jdoliner | when did the build get broken? |
| 22:43.13 | madant | 34690 is not working for me. but i guess the problem is in the adrt.h changes from earlier .. erik ? |
| 22:44.29 | jdoliner | yeah fortunately for me my part of the ship is still floating |
| 22:44.44 | jdoliner | what is this long compile command you speak of |
| 22:44.54 | jdoliner | I've never seen gcc result in a shell script |
| 22:45.04 | jdoliner | so I don't really know what I'm looking to remove |
| 22:45.28 | madant | er.. i mean the build line from the make file ? i mean cc -I blah blah -L etc. etc. |
| 22:50.12 | jdoliner | maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that seems to just get me the same shell script |
| 22:51.36 | madant | well you need to edit that line to output into a binary |
| 22:51.48 | madant | and the adrt.h seems to be just a matter of including stdint.h |
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| 23:58.52 | madant | jdoliner: did u manage to get the binaries ? |
| 00:04.55 | jdoliner | no i still haven't |
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| 02:47.47 | madant | stares at "Elapsed compilation time: 3 hours, 52 minutes, 21 seconds" and sighs :) |
| 02:48.28 | Ralith | heh |
| 02:48.43 | Ralith | good thing make doesn't rebuild needlessly |
| 03:00.50 | madant | undoubtedly :) |
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| 14:13.39 | starseeker | indianlarry: Are you planning to add a check in CurveTree::subdivideCurve for the case where the top and bottom tangents are different but depth = maxdepth + 1? that seems to me to be the time/place to ensure the split is on the vertical tangent, if it needs doing... |
| 14:15.50 | starseeker | I was thinking a binary iteration might work there - if max and min have different tangents, calculate the tangent at the midpont between min and max - if that slope isn't infinite, select the mid point and whichever of min and max has the opposite slope sign to the midpoint as your new min/max pair - repeat until the midpoint slope satisfies ON_NearZero |
| 14:16.25 | starseeker | or rather, the inverse of the midpoint slope satisfies it |
| 14:18.19 | starseeker | then the final two subdivides will use that mid point as their min/max respectively, ensuring good behavior for m_XIncreasing testing |
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| 15:10.25 | starseeker | indianlarry: actually, I guess the depth check makes less sense - it should be after the routine is ready to declare a leaf node - then check the tangent behaviors |
| 15:11.43 | brlcad | ~botmail for jdoliner ./libtool --mode=execute gdb --args src/proc-db/whatever my args here |
| 15:32.11 | madant | hmm.. libtool :) |
| 15:33.01 | brlcad | yeah, you have to run through the libtool script, it'll expand any libtool binaries into the real binary with the LD_PATHs setup correctly |
| 15:33.56 | brlcad | can run it from anywhere too, ~/brlcad-whatever/libtool --mode=execute gdb --args ../../../../src/other/proc-db/breplicator asdfhadsf adsf |
| 15:38.39 | madant | oh damn.. that's quite useful .. :) |
| 15:39.38 | madant | brlcad: where is elena's more hosted right now ? |
| 15:39.52 | madant | i mean more-to-be-renamed :) |
| 15:39.57 | brlcad | it's on brlcad.org |
| 15:40.08 | brlcad | same web root, subdir more |
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| 17:27.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34692 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (11 files): collapse the rest of the bot_* commands where there were GED macro patterns. 164->54 .. and now 10% complete with all ged commands (oof!). |
| 17:29.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34693 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/: svn properties change |
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| 18:11.09 | indianlarry | starseeker: here's what I've done so far |
| 18:11.10 | indianlarry | starseeker: i decided it made sense to walk down the knots |
| 18:11.10 | indianlarry | starseeker: to limit where i had to search for tangent issues |
| 18:11.10 | indianlarry | starseeker: http://brlcad.org/tmp/ps1.png |
| 18:11.10 | indianlarry | starseeker: GREEN - no issue move on |
| 18:11.12 | indianlarry | starseeker: MAGENTA - find horz crossing |
| 18:11.15 | indianlarry | starseeker: YELLOW - find vert crossing |
| 18:11.17 | indianlarry | starseeker: BLUE - has 2horz or 2 vert crossings |
| 18:11.20 | indianlarry | starseeker: RED - has two crossings one horz and one vertical |
| 18:11.22 | indianlarry | starseeker: for BLUE and RED simple subdivide until have single cases |
| 18:11.25 | indianlarry | starseeker: http://brlcad.org/tmp/ps2.png |
| 18:11.27 | indianlarry | starseeker: then iterate down on the horz and vert cases |
| 18:11.29 | indianlarry | starseeker: http://brlcad.org/tmp/ps3.png |
| 18:11.32 | indianlarry | starseeker: need to get you to help me build another test case in rhino(?) |
| 18:11.35 | indianlarry | starseeker: where we have some tangent discontinuities(knot multiplicity) |
| 18:11.37 | indianlarry | starseeker: with sharp corners (here we just use open nurbs getdiscontinities() |
| 18:11.40 | indianlarry | starseeker: now need to work this back into the bounding box algorithm |
| 18:11.42 | indianlarry | starseeker: inlaws are on their way so not sure how much more i'll get done till later |
| 18:11.45 | indianlarry | brlcad: hope it's okay to upload those images? |
| 18:14.09 | brlcad | indianlarry: absolutely |
| 18:14.16 | brlcad | awesome pictures too :) |
| 18:14.29 | brlcad | can utilize ~/public_html too for ~indianlarray/ urls |
| 18:14.53 | indianlarry | brlcad: thanks |
| 18:26.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34694 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/ (56 files in 4 dirs): CCK module (initial commit). |
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| 18:36.18 | elena | hi |
| 18:36.25 | brlcad | hi elena |
| 18:36.55 | elena | how was your weekend? |
| 18:37.33 | brlcad | still going on :) |
| 18:38.08 | Axman6 | oh damn, mine isn't >_< |
| 18:38.26 | elena | :) |
| 18:39.31 | brlcad | has a cookout to go to in a couple hours, should be fun, beautiful day |
| 18:40.55 | elena | btw, I meant to ask you about recaptcha. I forgot :( |
| 18:40.56 | brlcad | what about it? |
| 18:40.56 | elena | is the problem with it that it displays the math instead of recaptcha. |
| 18:40.56 | brlcad | no |
| 18:40.56 | elena | then? |
| 18:40.56 | brlcad | the problem is that the contact form doesn't even ask the recaptcha |
| 18:40.57 | brlcad | just the contact form |
| 18:40.58 | elena | aaa. |
| 18:41.25 | elena | but there's no captcha point for contact. |
| 18:42.13 | elena | i'll look. |
| 18:42.42 | brlcad | therein would be the problem, but that doesn't make sense to not have the ability to have it captcha given it's a submission point |
| 18:43.03 | elena | yes. you're right. |
| 18:43.56 | brlcad | you maybe nailed the issue, though, being no captcha point |
| 18:44.16 | brlcad | so someway to add that as a captcha point perhaps, or manually force one on that page |
| 18:44.17 | elena | jt should be an option somewhere thought. |
| 18:44.23 | brlcad | it's several spams a day :) |
| 18:44.23 | elena | i'll check the module version. |
| 18:44.37 | brlcad | the site is a bit dated now, several out of date |
| 18:44.42 | elena | i'll fix it today. |
| 18:44.45 | brlcad | but haven't had time to do the update |
| 18:44.53 | brlcad | cool |
| 18:44.53 | elena | may I do it? |
| 18:44.58 | brlcad | absolutely! |
| 18:45.02 | elena | thank you. |
| 18:45.11 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:45.28 | brlcad | "may I help make it better?" .. uh, no, sorry, I want it to keep sucking :) |
| 18:45.40 | elena | :) |
| 18:45.52 | elena | i was more concerned with breaking it :D |
| 18:46.09 | brlcad | nah, it's a WIP |
| 18:46.55 | elena | ok. more learning experience for me :) |
| 18:46.59 | brlcad | could as well slap a big 'BETA' sticker on the website, if it wouldn't be thought to apply to the code |
| 18:47.40 | elena | i'm thinking maybe we can share the code base for d and more |
| 18:47.58 | elena | it will be easier to update them. |
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| 18:48.21 | brlcad | possibly, but I wouldn't be too worried about them sharing just so the repository could be more readily moved to a separate host if needed |
| 18:48.22 | elena | i'll look into this. |
| 18:48.34 | elena | aha. |
| 18:48.37 | elena | ok. |
| 18:48.51 | brlcad | once the repository starts getting a lot of modules, it's going to require a lot more disks than the current server has |
| 18:48.59 | brlcad | (more than the new replacement server will have even) |
| 18:49.19 | elena | modules => models? |
| 18:49.27 | brlcad | yes, sorry :) |
| 18:49.33 | elena | ok. |
| 18:49.59 | brlcad | anticipate it'll quickly be up into hundreds of GB |
| 18:50.01 | elena | yes. you mentioned the large site models. |
| 18:50.13 | brlcad | possibly more |
| 18:52.09 | brlcad | if a single model is 100MB with 10 different export versions (g, dxf, step, 3dm, iges, stl, x3d, ...) along with rendered views and resource files, that'd be easily 1GB of data |
| 18:52.45 | brlcad | expect there to be a whole range of models from just a few KB to upwards of a GB per model |
| 18:53.46 | brlcad | probably a simple falloff curve of probability |
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| 21:19.11 | Soul_keeper | what's the name of the main brlcad binary after installation ? |
| 21:20.17 | Soul_keeper | mged ? |
| 21:20.37 | elena | that's the editor. |
| 21:20.41 | elena | you can use it. |
| 21:20.48 | Soul_keeper | ok thanks |
| 21:20.49 | elena | it will open two windows. |
| 21:21.03 | elena | one for commands, one for viewing. |
| 21:28.45 | Soul_keeper | I can see this is a life's journey to learn :( |
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| 21:29.57 | elena | not that hard to begin. |
| 21:30.11 | elena | but it will take time to master. |
| 21:30.26 | elena | there's a nice tutorial on the site. |
| 21:47.53 | elena | brlcad: site code is updated; I did some cleanup, too. recaptcha on contact works with the new module. |
| 22:59.33 | starseeker | indianlarry: that's seriously cool :-) |
| 23:03.03 | starseeker | winces - sorry elena, I keep missing you |
| 23:04.32 | Ralith | brlcad: just what sort of model is that complex O.o |
| 23:47.14 | starseeker | Ralith: well, the openmoko phone case is on the order of 30 megs, IIRC |
| 23:47.35 | starseeker | now, scale that up to something the size of a vehicle or building ;-) |
| 23:48.16 | Ralith | or an aircraft, I suppose |
| 00:01.10 | starseeker | is drooling to see if the Qt+OGRE thing works :-) |
| 00:11.33 | Ralith | is desperately paperwriting |
| 03:20.21 | brlcad | ~elena++ |
| 03:23.27 | brlcad | awesome, not only updated the main code, but all the modules too |
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| 10:36.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34695 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/bot_face_fuse.c: typo in macro name |
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| 11:16.31 | [1]d-lo | mornin all. |
| 11:26.24 | Ralith | that was short |
| 11:27.11 | starseeker | indianlarry: how went it with the inlaws? |
| 11:28.21 | starseeker | good times or a long day? ;-P |
| 11:35.56 | d-lo | Ralith: Was checking out an OS IRC client. Gonna stick with ssh for now :) |
| 12:00.02 | indianlarry | starseeker: not too bad, i just self relegate outside out of the way, got most of the tangent check in, getting current build tree here up to date |
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| 14:12.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34696 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): snapshot nurbs updates for testing |
| 14:57.34 | ``Erik | nifty, clean buidl |
| 15:05.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34697 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (clone.c comb.c comb_std.c copy.c copyeval.c): more pattern collapsing to GED macros |
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| 16:57.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34698 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (opennurbs_ext.cpp primitives/brep/brep.cpp): current NURB rt code snapshot for starseeker to test |
| 17:23.26 | brlcad | made it all the way in only to turn around after realizing he was badgeless.. |
| 17:30.59 | starseeker | oo, that sucks :-/ |
| 17:33.45 | brlcad | yep |
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| 18:17.15 | indianlarry | ``Erik: you there buddy? |
| 18:18.00 | indianlarry | ``Erik: battery pickup man is here are the old batteries the ones on the floor unboxed? |
| 18:18.59 | brlcad | plays the music to jeopardy |
| 18:20.16 | brlcad | indianlarry: he is only logged in from tyr so unless he's sitting behind you, he's probably not going to answer soon |
| 18:21.04 | indianlarry | brlcad: thanks guess i'll tell pickup man to wait |
| 18:21.45 | jdoliner | indianlarry you're here |
| 18:21.51 | jdoliner | hi |
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| 18:34.20 | brlcad | howdy jdoliner |
| 18:42.13 | jdoliner | how are you guys? |
| 18:48.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34699 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/Makefile.am: g-adrt.c is still over in src/conv |
| 18:48.28 | brlcad | going pretty good, how about yourself? |
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| 18:51.21 | jdoliner | not bad |
| 18:51.26 | jdoliner | I only have 1 exam left |
| 18:51.34 | jdoliner | and it's a pretty easy one |
| 18:52.08 | jdoliner | also I got your message about how to work the debugger on the bash script |
| 18:52.11 | jdoliner | thanks :) |
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| 21:30.19 | starseeker | indianlarry: for some reason, openbook doesn't prep at all - hangs on first surface |
| 21:34.43 | starseeker | looks like it's looping in the CurveTree build |
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| 01:14.27 | starseeker | blinks |
| 01:14.28 | starseeker | erm. |
| 01:14.37 | starseeker | now it's segfaulting on shape1 too |
| 01:14.41 | starseeker | hmmmm..... |
| 01:15.45 | starseeker | oh wait... |
| 01:17.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34700 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/Makefile.am: include slave/g-adrt.c in the dist |
| 01:20.13 | starseeker | cleans out crap he stuffed in over the weekend and rebuilds |
| 01:28.30 | starseeker | indianlarry: for a simpler failure case than shape1, the pipe example also failes to prep on face 2 |
| 01:35.27 | starseeker | blinks at the overlay plot - odd |
| 01:36.05 | starseeker | indianlarry: what do the light blue lines signify? |
| 01:39.54 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/openbook_uvplot_odd.png |
| 02:04.15 | starseeker | is assuming those lines shouldn't be living somewhere other than the uv plane... |
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| 03:37.09 | starseeker | growls at the trimming |
| 03:37.25 | starseeker | can figure this out, really he can... |
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| 03:55.42 | starseeker | indianlarry: I'm a little surprised the depth limits aren't kicking in... wonder what the path is that's avoiding that... |
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| 10:18.23 | mike111 | hi all |
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| 12:45.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34701 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/CMakeLists.txt: new version of CMake (2.6.4) -- new animosity |
| 12:48.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34702 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (pcMathGrammar.h pcMathVM.h): Completing Expression Grammar : Stage 2/4 |
| 13:13.15 | ``Erik | funky, my IP changed |
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| 14:43.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34703 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libpc/pc_constraints.c mged/dozoom.c rt/viewarea.c): use old C style comments in C files. |
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| 16:28.14 | rincon | how do i make a line in 2d in brlcad? |
| 16:35.36 | starseeker | uh - you can use the sketch primitive for that - what do you need the line for? |
| 16:37.33 | rincon | just to learn |
| 16:43.33 | starseeker | probably the better place to start is with making geometric primitives |
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| 17:26.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34704 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/pcMathGrammar.h: finishing Math Expression grammar defintion 3/4 |
| 18:42.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03128.63.32.34 07http://brlcad.org * r1468 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Tutorials */ |
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| 20:10.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r1469 10/wiki/Distributive_Rendering: How to do Distributed Rendering |
| 20:13.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r1470 10/wiki/Distributive_Rendering: /* Distributed Rendering */ |
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| 20:58.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r1471 10/wiki/Distributive_Rendering: /* Advanced Commands */ |
| 21:00.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r1472 10/wiki/Distributive_Rendering: /* Advanced Commands */ |
| 21:58.12 | Ralith | yay, docs! |
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| 03:06.54 | tomane | hello people, does anyone work with salome-meca? |
| 03:45.36 | brlcad | tomane: undoubtedly some people do, but here isn't the place to ask :) |
| 03:46.49 | brlcad | might as well go to a kde channel and ask if anyone is familiar with gnome-terminal |
| 03:57.54 | brlcad | hits the road |
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| 06:36.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34705 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/: svn:ignore set to ignore eclipse's .cache folder |
| 06:39.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34706 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/views/ (42 files in 3 dirs): views initial commit. |
| 06:43.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34707 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/token/ (20 files in 2 dirs): token module initial commit. |
| 06:46.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34708 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/pathauto/ (29 files in 3 dirs): pathauto module initial commit (5.x-2.3). |
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| 07:13.25 | madant | hmm http://gmarceau.qc.ca/blog/2009/05/speed-size-and-dependability-of.html |
| 07:19.14 | madant | and i have never used Clean .. |
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| 13:06.07 | starseeker | ah, how to spot a physics nerd - with the release of Pixar's "Up", the comment was "now I'm waiting for the movies Charm and Strange" |
| 13:06.34 | starseeker | would love to see Pixar release a movie called "Strange" |
| 13:09.53 | madant | starseeker: I loved the movie .. even without the quark notes :P |
| 13:11.36 | madant | esecially the first 10 minutes or so.. where their life is compressed into like 3 or 4 minutes ;) |
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| 15:54.19 | elena | hi |
| 16:15.14 | madant | howdy elena |
| 16:15.26 | madant | things going good at more ? :) |
| 16:15.31 | elena | hi. |
| 16:15.38 | elena | yes. |
| 16:15.46 | elena | it's shaping up. |
| 16:15.55 | elena | how's your project? |
| 16:16.43 | madant | just getting started :) |
| 16:16.59 | elena | what is it about? |
| 16:17.03 | madant | too many computers died on me :( |
| 16:17.10 | elena | sorry, I knew, but i forgot. |
| 16:17.30 | madant | libpc - constraints for brl-cad :) |
| 16:17.32 | elena | i just had my ethernet connector die on me, too. |
| 16:17.49 | madant | where are you currently ? |
| 16:17.50 | elena | it worked perfect until noon, and now, nothing :( |
| 16:18.02 | elena | home :D |
| 16:18.05 | elena | Romania |
| 16:18.06 | madant | i mean what do you study etc. :) |
| 16:18.29 | elena | phd in artificial intelligence |
| 16:18.34 | elena | you? |
| 16:18.35 | madant | i finished my major in architecture .. going to join for a post graduate program in management |
| 16:18.53 | madant | PhD in AI sounds scary :) |
| 16:18.54 | elena | wow, nice mix. |
| 16:19.05 | elena | yes. it sound scary to me, too. |
| 16:19.08 | elena | :) |
| 16:19.19 | madant | maybe you would be the inventor of skynet |
| 16:19.26 | elena | :) |
| 16:19.41 | madant | thinks terminator salvation was pathetic |
| 16:19.48 | elena | after i finish this gsoc. |
| 16:20.01 | elena | didn't see it. |
| 16:20.05 | madant | or maybe more becomes sentient somehow.. |
| 16:20.50 | madant | elena, i thought you were studying in US. |
| 16:20.50 | elena | lol |
| 16:20.57 | elena | no. |
| 16:21.08 | elena | are you in us? |
| 16:21.16 | madant | nope. India |
| 16:21.28 | madant | you worked with cscs ? |
| 16:21.29 | elena | i have some friends in india. |
| 16:21.32 | elena | by email. |
| 16:21.35 | madant | hehe.. |
| 16:21.36 | elena | yes. |
| 16:22.03 | madant | i had worked with riolo.. i mean it was not i-spoc related.. |
| 16:22.13 | madant | did u work on i-spoc ? |
| 16:22.30 | madant | small world :) |
| 16:22.37 | elena | yes. i recently prepared some updates for last year project, but didn't have time to upload. |
| 16:23.04 | elena | yes. it's a gsoc world. |
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| 16:23.38 | madant | am sure you must have met all the others.. i mean mafm, pacman87, andrecastelo |
| 16:24.08 | elena | maybe we chated, i don't recall. |
| 16:24.18 | elena | except for pacman. i remember him. |
| 16:24.33 | madant | he is a pretty unforgettably resourceful person ;) |
| 16:25.02 | madant | will now have a HUGE dinner |
| 16:25.18 | mafm | is a pretty regretably and busiful person |
| 16:26.15 | mafm | I don't think we've chatted, nope |
| 16:26.29 | elena | hi, then. |
| 16:26.33 | mafm | I've been out during last week and pretty much afk when connected |
| 16:26.34 | mafm | hi :) |
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| 17:56.37 | brlcad | waves |
| 17:57.03 | elena | waves back |
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| 18:17.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03128.63.32.34 07http://brlcad.org * r1473 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Tutorials */ |
| 18:21.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/move: [[Distributive Rendering]] moved to [[Distributed Rendering]]: Typo in name |
| 18:21.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r1476 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Tutorials */ |
| 18:53.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r1477 10/wiki/Cutting_and_Pasting_PIX_files: pixcut and pixpaste |
| 19:05.23 | elena | starseeker or brlcad, are you around? |
| 19:45.10 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 20:06.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34709 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (opennurbs_ext.cpp primitives/brep/brep.cpp): |
| 20:06.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: testing four corner newton iterate, should only be need for high obliq |
| 20:06.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: but currently enabled for debugging so slows raytrace down by atleast 4x ;^) |
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| 20:15.29 | starseeker | elena: back, what's up? |
| 20:15.37 | elena | hi. |
| 20:15.42 | starseeker | howdy :-) |
| 20:16.02 | elena | i worked these days in the licensing issue of the models. |
| 20:16.19 | starseeker | ah. You mean how to license them? |
| 20:16.19 | elena | i'm not sure how is that suppose to look like. |
| 20:16.25 | elena | yes. |
| 20:16.35 | elena | will we have multiple licenses |
| 20:16.48 | elena | and allow user to pick one when submitting. |
| 20:16.50 | elena | ? |
| 20:17.14 | starseeker | Oh, I get it. Yes, that's probably the approach. |
| 20:17.25 | elena | and are these licenses like GPL ? |
| 20:17.33 | elena | or some special licenses? |
| 20:17.43 | starseeker | The two best known open models use creative commons style licenses |
| 20:17.53 | starseeker | I think that makes a fair bit of sense, as a starting point |
| 20:18.11 | elena | ok. :) |
| 20:18.18 | elena | then I'm on the right track. |
| 20:18.30 | elena | thank you. |
| 20:18.33 | starseeker | np :-) |
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| 22:43.05 | Ralith | syncs |
| 22:53.02 | brlcad | woot |
| 22:53.06 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 22:54.30 | ``Erik | ponders opencl vs invidia cg |
| 23:28.55 | Ralith | dear god |
| 23:29.09 | starseeker | hmm? |
| 23:29.11 | Ralith | the RBGui includes in Application.cxx take up 34 lines :| |
| 23:29.16 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 23:29.42 | starseeker | heh - we'll see what Qt takes up :-P |
| 23:31.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34710 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Add debugging routines to draw the trimming curves in 3d space - normally (but not always) these will correspond to edges, so comment out to have around for debugging if needed. |
| 23:33.17 | Ralith | ooh handy! |
| 23:33.25 | Ralith | cmake (at least on my system) ships with a Qt configure script. |
| 23:39.11 | Ralith | wonders why svn ci is taking so long |
| 23:44.25 | Ralith | oookay, not responding to ^C |
| 00:13.52 | Ralith | <3 flyspell-prog-mode |
| 00:15.14 | starseeker | indianlarry: here's an odd thing - the odd hits in that vertical line on the right of the image seem to be due to a bounding box problem of some sort |
| 00:15.45 | starseeker | setting ae to 270 0 0 |
| 00:15.48 | Ralith | tries svn again |
| 00:15.51 | Ralith | yay! |
| 00:15.57 | starseeker | you see a vertical line all the way up and down the object |
| 00:16.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34711 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CMakeLists.txt: Added Qt4 + OpenGL to dependencies cmake is aware of |
| 00:16.44 | starseeker | if I've got this right, gdb reports five child leaf nodes. All five return hits |
| 00:18.34 | starseeker | of course, it might be that we need to return two hits somewhere and aren't... |
| 00:22.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34712 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (pcMathGrammar.h pcMathLF.h): Math expression grammer defined (4/4) . lazy function wrapper implementation of address_of |
| 00:27.52 | ``Erik | svn traps sigterm to try to 'clean up' gracefully |
| 00:28.12 | ``Erik | if you -9 it, you might need to use "svn clean" |
| 00:30.27 | Ralith | thanks for the notice |
| 00:30.32 | Ralith | seemed to ci cleanly, but I'll be sure |
| 00:31.09 | ``Erik | it'll bitch if it needs it :) |
| 00:31.15 | Ralith | okay then |
| 00:31.48 | Ralith | oh cleanup? |
| 00:31.50 | Ralith | yeah I had to do that |
| 00:32.45 | starseeker | hmm - weird |
| 00:33.04 | ``Erik | yes, you are quite weird, cliff :D |
| 00:33.07 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 00:33.08 | starseeker | the problem area is definitely grazing on a trimming curve... |
| 00:33.21 | starseeker | and proud of it, too! |
| 00:33.33 | Ralith | hm, cmake screwed up the linking :/ |
| 00:36.01 | Ralith | asks #cmake |
| 00:40.55 | Ralith | idea! |
| 00:43.22 | Ralith | ...weird |
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| 00:43.42 | Ralith | there's a /lib/rt-2.9.so on my system |
| 00:43.44 | Ralith | wonder what that is. |
| 00:43.48 | Ralith | librt-2.9.so* |
| 00:46.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34713 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CMakeLists.txt: Fixed Qt linking |
| 00:48.55 | starseeker | ah, so that's it - utah_newton_4corner returns one hit rather than two, which it should be returning two or zero |
| 00:49.30 | starseeker | or rather, utah_brep_intersect_test is |
| 00:52.04 | starseeker | yeah, it's utah_newton_4corner |
| 00:54.28 | starseeker | wonders if we should multiply the u or v parameter of ray and uv space/curves by a factor so the numbers are less small... |
| 00:54.31 | starseeker | hmm... |
| 01:13.33 | Ralith | oh wow |
| 01:13.40 | Ralith | when did sf.net completely redo their layout |
| 01:24.22 | madant | Ralith: didn't you get the mail :) |
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| 01:30.56 | starseeker | indianlarry: if it helps any, here are two specific cases that are provoking errors - the first one is that long vertical miss due to getting one hit point when two are needed: |
| 01:31.06 | starseeker | Origin (x y z) = (-3.21022700 -49.92187372 6.84440400) |
| 01:31.09 | ``Erik | some leenewxes have a librt as an interface to real-time facilities |
| 01:31.18 | starseeker | Direction (x y z) = (0.00000000 1.00000000 0.00000000) |
| 01:31.33 | starseeker | second one is a trimming curve related snaffu: |
| 01:31.43 | starseeker | xyz -1.296691 -0.623331 -0.940507 |
| 01:31.50 | starseeker | dir -0.7424 -0.5198 -0.4226 |
| 01:32.07 | starseeker | (should turn on backout for both of these: backout 1) |
| 01:32.59 | starseeker | if I'm not mistaken, on the second one it's reporting four hit points but the very first one is getting trimmed away - when I look at the uv values this makes sense so I'm not quite sure what's going on there |
| 01:33.35 | starseeker | it's only very close to the trimming curves that this happens |
| 01:34.21 | starseeker | when I plotted the trimming curves over the edges I didn't see any obvious issue where trimming curves were mapping into different lines than the edges were |
| 01:49.22 | starseeker | if I had to guess, it's something to do with not getting a hit point in the box on the surface above where this trimmed hit was reported |
| 01:56.04 | starseeker | indianlarry: is there a possibility that when iterating to a solution very close to the edge of a bounding box, the haulting process is too aggressive? I.e., perhaps it should be "if it goes outside and doesn't attempt to come back in on the next iteration?" |
| 01:56.52 | starseeker | I have a feeling that could be what's going on here, since the trimmed point passed both the linear AND the curved "closest point" on trimming curve based tests |
| 01:56.58 | starseeker | i.e. it wasn't even "close" |
| 02:04.38 | starseeker | or, alternatly, it could be not getting all the boxes needed... |
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| 02:15.43 | werneck | I'm new to brlcad, I just finished a design, is there any tool to get a 2D print of the blocks, or some CNC output? |
| 02:19.13 | starseeker | no cnc - if you want a line rendering there's rtedge |
| 02:19.47 | starseeker | if you need cnc, you can look for export options into formats that can be used to generate cnc paths |
| 02:20.12 | starseeker | indianlarry: nevermind, allowing iteration outside didn't do anything |
| 02:20.18 | indianlarry | starseeker: hey just looking over your comments |
| 02:20.43 | indianlarry | starseeker: i generated some nice images of the black widow |
| 02:21.11 | starseeker | coool :-) |
| 02:22.18 | indianlarry | starseeker: need to undefine (//#define) the KTANGENTBREAK in opennurbs_ext.cpp |
| 02:23.08 | indianlarry | starseeker: otherwise locks in prep(looks to not be converging in the bin iter will look at tomorow' |
| 02:24.28 | werneck | starseeker: ok, thanks |
| 02:24.45 | indianlarry | starseeker: still thinking about trying to iterate uphile in oppisite direction |
| 02:25.05 | indianlarry | starseeker: definitely need something better than the four corner approach |
| 02:26.24 | indianlarry | starseeker: what dotg are you refering to the nurbs_shape1.g ? |
| 02:26.29 | starseeker | I can't help thinking that iterating to a "max" point and using that somehow would help |
| 02:26.33 | starseeker | yes shape1.s |
| 02:26.59 | indianlarry | starseeker: i'll walk it through the debugger and let you know |
| 02:29.42 | starseeker | should try to dope out a routine to draw the 3d bounding boxes of every leaf that intersects a ray, just so we can be sure we're getting the right leaves to start with... |
| 02:29.53 | starseeker | should also get home before he gets in worse trouble... |
| 02:32.00 | indianlarry | starseeker: why buy a house when you can buy a cheap cot and stay there |
| 02:32.41 | starseeker | hehe |
| 02:33.21 | starseeker | can think of few ways of achieving SDDSO (Sudden Death Due to Significant Other) |
| 02:33.47 | starseeker | few better ways rather |
| 02:34.22 | indianlarry | gotta keep the significant other happy |
| 02:34.36 | indianlarry | catch up with you tomorow |
| 02:34.50 | starseeker | sounds good |
| 02:34.55 | starseeker | runs for it |
| 02:43.06 | brlcad | indianlarry: why do you think there's a bed in my office? :) |
| 02:45.09 | brlcad | good for an emergency early morning crash |
| 02:59.42 | werneck | is there any way to not hide lines in rtedge? |
| 03:26.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34714 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CMakeLists.txt OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Untested Ogre Qt widget |
| 03:26.38 | Ralith | got cmake and qt's metastuff playing together nicely |
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| 03:34.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34715 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Narrowed include scope, included resource loading, fixed copyright/doc headers |
| 03:39.35 | Ralith | brlcad: any conventions on exceptions yet? |
| 03:52.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34716 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Added useful destructor, scene setup; moved resource loading into its own function |
| 03:53.13 | Ralith | ahh, it's good to be making commits. |
| 04:25.21 | starseeker | posts this link to himself in case it comes in handy... http://tom.cs.byu.edu/~tom/papers/bezclip.pdf |
| 04:32.05 | starseeker | indianlarry: much as I hate to suggest this, what about the following approach: In the case where we detect that two intersections are a possibility, and current methods fail to identify two different intersection points, temporarily subdivide the leaf bounding square in uv space into 4 subsquares, take the center of each and iterate - if they all leave the boxes, then the other root (if it exists) must be in the remaining subbox with the existing root |
| 04:33.07 | starseeker | a bit expensive, but wouldn't it work? |
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| 12:30.44 | starseeker | boots his brain back into gear |
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| 14:05.20 | brlcad | ``Erik: can metaballs have per point weights? |
| 14:05.40 | brlcad | or are they uniform across a metaballs set |
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| 14:15.30 | brlcad | goes with the per-point theory |
| 14:24.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34717 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/metaball.c: ws while peeking. huh, looks like this was never finished/implemented. |
| 14:44.27 | ``Erik | heh, they combine a per point weight with a per primitive value and let 'em duke it out |
| 14:46.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34718 10/rt^3/trunk/ (cmake/ cmakemodules/): Refactor in prep for converting rt^3 module's build system to cmake. |
| 15:05.43 | d-lo | Ralith: Since you are making Qt an external dependancy (which is good imho), what about making orge an external one also? |
| 15:08.35 | starseeker | d-lo: Problem there is we might need to patch Ogre to get it to work, based on last year (IIRC, anyway) |
| 15:09.16 | d-lo | starseeker: as in a homegrown patch, or a patch from the Ogre devs? |
| 15:15.46 | starseeker | I THINK it was a homegrown patch, but it's been a while |
| 15:16.07 | starseeker | 'course, a year might have fixed things on the Ogre side too |
| 15:18.12 | d-lo | do you recall what issue the patch was concerning? |
| 15:18.50 | starseeker | nope - I wasn't paying as much attention at that point :-/ |
| 15:19.00 | d-lo | kk thanks anyways |
| 15:19.06 | starseeker | first thing to do is try the latest Ogre though |
| 15:19.20 | starseeker | doubts we've synced in a while |
| 15:20.19 | starseeker | oh, wait - it's coming back a bit - I think RBgui needed some feature that was either being removed or wasn't working in the "release" version of Ogre at that time |
| 15:20.38 | starseeker | so might be moot for Qt |
| 15:21.44 | d-lo | ..which would be good :) |
| 15:21.58 | d-lo | ogre isnt exactly small :) |
| 15:22.17 | starseeker | agreed |
| 15:22.18 | d-lo | one might say... its a bit of a beast. |
| 15:22.29 | d-lo | slaps his knee. |
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| 19:24.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34719 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:24.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: fixed trim H/V tangent checks, now using curve estimate of trim versus |
| 19:24.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: linear, grew 3D bounding boxes to cover surface curvature extruding box |
| 19:24.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: need to fix correctly |
| 19:42.25 | Ralith | starseeker, d-lo: Ogre works fine as an external dep; shall I kill it from the repo? |
| 19:43.52 | starseeker | Ralith: sure, go for it |
| 19:46.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34720 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/: Dropped Ogre from internal repository, as the official releases should work fine for us. |
| 19:52.04 | louipc | tcl/tk next :P |
| 19:52.17 | starseeker | yeah, that's... harder |
| 19:53.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34721 10/rt^3/trunk/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Moved cmake modules into root cmake module directory |
| 19:54.34 | Ralith | afks for another few hours |
| 19:58.02 | mafm | Ralith: starseeker: last year brlcad/Sear suggested me (under torture, even if he doesn't admit) to have all dependencies inside |
| 19:58.21 | mafm | similar to the rest of libraries in main brl-cad module |
| 19:59.00 | mafm | that is, I didn't put Ogre there because we needed to have a heavily patched version or anything |
| 20:00.56 | starseeker | mafm: really? huh. Well, we can always add them in later at need |
| 20:01.35 | mafm | yes well, just noting it |
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| 22:29.01 | Ralith | weird, ohloh doesn't seem to be updating commit stats |
| 22:47.00 | brlcad | they lag by a few days |
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| 23:44.14 | ``Erik | w00t, a/c is fixed O.o |
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| 02:18.51 | starseeker | indianlarry: Idea on handling of the raytracing of NURBS. Expanding the boxes is killing our performance by forcing more interative solutions of intersected bounding boxes (which are not needed in most cases but are in a few). What if, for each bounding box leaf we propose to search for intersections in, we see if the xy coordinates of any of the previously found intersection points are within the bounding uv square of the leaf BB about to be consider |
| 02:21.43 | starseeker | taking that one step further, when we build the surface tree we could actually store two trees in parallel, one with the minimal bounding boxes that give good raytrace performance, and one with the BB growth factor turned on. Then we can raytrace using the default bounding boxes, and for shots that return either an odd hit count or zero intersection boxes we repeat the hierarchy test with that same ray, only this time instructing it to use the grown bb |
| 02:23.29 | starseeker | compare the list of leaves obtained from the grown hierarcy test to the original list - any new boxes, test them for hits. If hits are found that aren't already in the hit list, add them and resort the list |
| 02:24.12 | starseeker | so in essence, each BBnode in the surface tree would store two sets of bounding box dimensions rather than one - otherwise, it's the same tree build |
| 02:26.31 | starseeker | we don't even have to walk the surface list twice |
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| 05:49.46 | Ralith | hm, I sent in my tax forms a couple days ago, still hasn't been confirmed as received |
| 05:49.53 | Ralith | :/ |
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| 15:38.10 | starseeker | indianlarry: Question: If we allow uv hit points outside uv boxes, but when performing the trimming test actually find (via a "2d" IntersectHierarchy test, I suppose) the uv box that contains the "out of box" hit point and use that to do the trimming test, would we actually get rid of the jagged edges on the trims while still allowing out of box hits? |
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| 20:47.13 | indianlarry | starseeker: You still workin |
| 20:47.53 | indianlarry | starseeker: think i found an easy solution to our box growth issue |
| 20:49.33 | indianlarry | starseeker: erik also mentioned his ideas about keeping neighbor links for his work that may play into the out of box hits we get |
| 20:51.44 | starseeker | still here |
| 20:52.00 | starseeker | sorry, chatting with Bob about Archer stuff |
| 20:52.05 | starseeker | what's the easy solution? |
| 20:52.13 | ``Erik | foiled their productivity mwahahhaa |
| 20:53.02 | indianlarry | starseeker: think i can grow only those boxes that need it just need to check if the corner normal pass the x,y,z normals |
| 20:53.41 | indianlarry | starseeker: since we bound be x,y,z min/max those are the only ones that would stick out |
| 20:53.54 | indianlarry | starseeker: that's why we were seeing patterns |
| 20:54.08 | indianlarry | starseeker: should actually be easy |
| 20:54.26 | ``Erik | famous last words? :D |
| 20:54.28 | starseeker | so you're saying check the normals at the corners in 3 space and see if they indicate "bad" behavior somehow? |
| 20:54.51 | indianlarry | starseeker: see id they change quadrants |
| 20:55.02 | indianlarry | starseeker: octants |
| 20:55.12 | starseeker | oh, hmm |
| 20:55.31 | starseeker | that might work, actually |
| 20:55.46 | indianlarry | starseeker: i think we can use the knots to ensure no more then two hits as well |
| 20:55.54 | starseeker | cool |
| 20:56.19 | starseeker | that might make my ideas overkill then... |
| 20:57.11 | indianlarry | starseeker: if we use knots during initial subdivision may make flatness resolve quicker |
| 20:57.46 | starseeker | ponders... yes, that might be true |
| 20:57.51 | indianlarry | starseeker: then again i've had a few too many already |
| 20:57.59 | starseeker | are you suggesting breaking into quadrants ON the knots? |
| 20:58.43 | indianlarry | starseeker: check flatness if not flat find median knot closest to center u,v and split there |
| 20:59.09 | indianlarry | starseeker: looks like openNURBS has a closest knot index function |
| 20:59.21 | starseeker | hmm. sounds promising |
| 21:00.18 | indianlarry | starseeker: guit there today? |
| 21:00.31 | starseeker | quiet |
| 21:00.37 | indianlarry | starseeker: yes aorry |
| 21:00.40 | starseeker | 'cept Bob says "get a life!" |
| 21:00.45 | starseeker | indianlarry: for what? |
| 21:01.07 | starseeker | indianlarry: you've been doing and continue to do awesome work! |
| 21:01.17 | indianlarry | starseeker: for the typing |
| 21:01.26 | starseeker | pfft. I was trained on slashdot |
| 21:04.06 | indianlarry | starseeker: i'll try and hit it later but busy weekend (graduation parties to attend) |
| 21:04.33 | starseeker | don't worry about it - that's way more important! |
| 21:05.01 | starseeker | scowls at the single odd hit report still coming from shape1.s at high res... |
| 21:06.02 | indianlarry | starseeker: I'll try and put that fuzz check in there, also need to see how they handle intersect closeness between surfaces problem could be there |
| 21:06.25 | starseeker | nods - yeah, kinda looks like that |
| 21:06.29 | starseeker | who's graduating? |
| 21:06.56 | indianlarry | starseeker: mothers cousins kin way down the line |
| 21:07.14 | starseeker | heh - well, it's a good drink excuse :-) |
| 21:07.31 | indianlarry | starseeker: that's what i thought |
| 21:07.44 | indianlarry | have a good weekend all |
| 21:08.05 | indianlarry | is brlcad in the channel |
| 21:08.16 | starseeker | you too |
| 21:08.20 | starseeker | haven't seen him today |
| 21:08.39 | indianlarry | catch up with him later |
| 21:10.20 | indianlarry | need to make sue GSoC joeDee has commit access to SVN |
| 21:11.24 | starseeker | nods :-) |
| 21:11.28 | starseeker | yeah, that helps |
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| 21:12.14 | starseeker | just in case this helps, xyz 4.315565 -2.942501 15.995774 dir -0.742404 -0.519837 -0.422618 with backout on is the shape1 test case |
| 21:30.54 | brlcad | indianlarry: I can set it but his commits will have to be watched carefully -- his patch indicated he needs more instruction on patches, commits, svn, our HACKING guidelines, style/ws, etc |
| 21:31.47 | brlcad | might want to have him simply start submitting patches (to the tracker for his work) and iterate with him on the patches until they commit unmodified |
| 21:32.21 | brlcad | shouldn't take more than a day or two to get anyone up to speed |
| 21:33.09 | indianlarry | brlcad: i'll touch base with him |
| 21:34.02 | brlcad | otherwise he does need to get kicking really soon now or there's no way he'll pass midterms |
| 21:35.32 | indianlarry | brlcad: looks like he's beeen writing some test code for some simple brep primitive so i think he's starting to get into it |
| 21:36.31 | indianlarry | brlcad: he emailed me some code to look at and he was re-writing dot,cross product macros and i pointed him at vmath.h |
| 21:37.15 | indianlarry | brlcad: i know it can be a little hard finding things |
| 21:38.27 | indianlarry | brlcad: i think he's also finding out that some of the opennurbs functions he needs are limited and sometimes replaced with stubs |
| 21:38.34 | brlcad | indianlarry: yeah, it's completely understandable -- just part of the process for "commit access" |
| 21:38.46 | indianlarry | brlcad: thanks |
| 21:41.54 | brlcad | he should work on showing he understands the dev guidelines before getting deep into the code regardless, which covers making patches, frequent commits, not breaking things, what his responsibilities are when he does break something, etc |
| 21:42.08 | brlcad | particularly for the gsoc kids, it's part of their http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Checklist |
| 21:43.20 | brlcad | indianlarry: did he send you patch files or whole files or snippets? |
| 21:45.11 | indianlarry | brlcad: just a single file snippet just to look at overall style |
| 21:45.13 | brlcad | either way, that's the "tendancy to default to private conversations" I mentioned months back -- you shouldn't allow that or at least should respond to their message to the dev list (with a note to keep dev chatter public) |
| 21:45.43 | brlcad | many students do that, it's natural but really should be nipped in the bud early |
| 21:45.55 | indianlarry | brlcad: i mentioned that to him i think he need just a little push |
| 21:46.16 | indianlarry | brlcad: i think he tried to commit some stuff and couldn't |
| 21:46.50 | indianlarry | brlcad: i'll try and work it out with him |
| 21:47.08 | brlcad | it's multiple issues -- not being able to commit isn't an excuse |
| 21:47.10 | brlcad | he has to communicate |
| 21:47.40 | brlcad | he's certainly not said anything here yet has been joining, so it's even worse |
| 21:48.36 | indianlarry | brlcad: he was the one that had late finals so hopefully he'll start to get involved |
| 21:48.42 | brlcad | nods |
| 21:49.02 | brlcad | ~gsoctimeline |
| 21:49.03 | ibot | gsoctimeline is, like, http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 21:50.31 | brlcad | yeah, three weeks to his midterm evaluation, two or three of the students are going to have to seriously kick it in or they'll have to be dropped |
| 21:50.58 | brlcad | will have to send a note this weekend, didn't realize that much time had passed already |
| 21:50.58 | indianlarry | brlcad: i'll mention it to him |
| 21:51.12 | indianlarry | tell me about it |
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| 21:51.49 | brlcad | they're on a tight schedule and it's supposed to be a full-time job -- that's three weeks of no-show |
| 21:52.21 | indianlarry | brlcad: acts like he has a gov't job ;^) |
| 21:52.29 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:53.23 | indianlarry | i'm out for a while i'll try to push things along have a good weekend |
| 21:53.29 | brlcad | cya! |
| 21:54.07 | mafm | hi |
| 21:54.10 | brlcad | Ralith: nice to see you getting started, lemme know if you have any problems |
| 21:54.13 | brlcad | mafm: howdy! |
| 21:54.19 | brlcad | pacman87: how's it going?.... :) |
| 21:54.57 | Ralith | brlcad: I shall. |
| 21:55.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34723 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: When an odd nurbs hit point shows up, print out the nirt commands that will fire just that ray (make debugging 'em simpler) |
| 21:56.36 | brlcad | Ralith: remember to keep a daily note for any days you work, a single brief sentance suffices -- like a commit message -- to say what you got done |
| 21:57.01 | Ralith | oh, wups |
| 21:57.08 | Ralith | on my wiki page? |
| 21:57.13 | brlcad | roberthl: wow, no longer living in obscurity? :) |
| 21:57.19 | brlcad | er, anonymity |
| 21:57.29 | brlcad | yeah, wiki page work |
| 21:57.32 | brlcad | *works |
| 21:57.51 | brlcad | or blog or tweets, just someplace convenient (and ideally rss-able) |
| 21:58.22 | brlcad | pacman did a pretty good job last year: http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Pacman87 |
| 21:59.00 | roberthl | brlcad: Yeah, I kind of gave up that when I started being payed to do stuff. :) |
| 21:59.20 | roberthl | (development) |
| 21:59.28 | brlcad | nods |
| 21:59.50 | mafm | tweets are the root of evil, just say no! :P |
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| 22:07.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1478 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Added first log entries |
| 22:15.12 | ``Erik | hey, c'mon now, indianlarry, some of us gov't foke are only no-show for 2 weeks :D |
| 22:22.43 | pacman87 | it's been rather hectic at my house with relatives visiting for little bro |
| 22:22.46 | pacman87 | 's graduation |
| 22:23.31 | pacman87 | and i got recruited to move my brother in this week |
| 22:23.46 | pacman87 | so now there's no more distractions |
| 22:24.28 | pacman87 | which place? |
| 22:24.31 | pacman87 | the speech? |
| 22:24.54 | pacman87 | ww |
| 22:25.24 | pacman87 | now everything's back to normal |
| 22:25.29 | pacman87 | and i can get back to coding full-time |
| 22:25.50 | pacman87 | speaking of which, is there a good sample sketch i can use to test my revolve? |
| 22:26.25 | pacman87 | just examples of syntax for the two spline types, carcs, and lsegs |
| 22:36.23 | brlcad | could try the sketch in http://brlcad.org/tmp/sketch.g |
| 22:36.43 | brlcad | includes each entity type except the unimplemented nurbs type |
| 22:48.43 | ``Erik | pacman87: if you were to draw a half circle, then revolve around a line that touch both ends of that arc like 30 degrees or so, would the resultant geometry be something like an orange slice? am I gettin' the purpose right? |
| 22:50.27 | pacman87 | yes |
| 22:50.42 | pacman87 | ``Erik: ^^ |
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| 22:52.42 | jdoliner | sean, can you explain to me how I should submit code? |
| 22:53.06 | jdoliner | brlcad? |
| 22:54.42 | pacman87 | jdoliner: are you starting new files, or modifying existing ones? |
| 22:55.18 | jdoliner | I started a new file in proc-db |
| 22:55.38 | jdoliner | and I've also modified a file |
| 22:55.38 | pacman87 | do you have commit access yet? |
| 22:55.44 | jdoliner | no I don't believe so |
| 22:56.20 | pacman87 | go to the brlcad sourceforge site |
| 22:56.27 | pacman87 | under 'tracker' click 'patches' |
| 22:56.48 | pacman87 | then click 'add new' |
| 22:56.59 | pacman87 | and there's some instructions there |
| 22:57.50 | jdoliner | k thanks |
| 22:58.09 | ``Erik | yes, your first few patches will be via the sourceforge patch submission page so we can know that you understand the HACKING file and can produce correct and consistent code :) |
| 23:01.38 | ``Erik | hah, trying to install cmake and accidently typed cake, got a rush of bad memories off of that |
| 23:01.59 | ``Erik | (cake was the archaic fugly build system BRL-CAD used before I hacked it up for automake :D ) |
| 23:14.50 | jdoliner | fair enough I could use some criticism |
| 23:16.08 | jdoliner | would you guys call brep on brep intersection geometry editing, or modeling? |
| 23:19.35 | brlcad | probably geometry editing, but that field isn't really important |
| 23:20.46 | brlcad | jdoliner: yeah, the main issue with commit access is spelled out in the HACKING file (which you've read right?) :) as well as http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Checklist (which you've read right?) :) just to make sure you understand your responsibilities |
| 23:21.53 | ``Erik | is rt^3 wanting dev or stable ogre3d? |
| 23:22.29 | jdoliner | yes of course |
| 23:22.32 | brlcad | it shouldn't take you more than a day really to get commit access sorted out, so you can commit in good faith, but you aren't just given it before showing some basic understanding (and your gsoc patch didn't show that.. can talk about that if you like) |
| 23:22.55 | jdoliner | no that's fine I just submitted my work up to this point |
| 23:23.12 | brlcad | keep in mind that you absolutely should not be coding away quietly |
| 23:23.20 | jdoliner | it's now using vmath macros instead |
| 23:23.32 | ``Erik | you manually reviewed your patch file, yes? :) I always do an svn diff before commiting just to make sure |
| 23:23.32 | jdoliner | I swear I haven't been |
| 23:23.33 | brlcad | getting commit sorted out is priority #1, should have happened before gsoc started really |
| 23:24.01 | jdoliner | k let's do that immediately then |
| 23:24.13 | brlcad | also shouldn't be communicating in private -- here or on mailing list if it has anything to do with code/project/progress |
| 23:24.17 | ``Erik | finds a pointy stick to jab brlcad with until he gets his ogre question answered O:-) |
| 23:24.30 | brlcad | ``Erik: ask the Ralith guy, beats me! |
| 23:24.36 | ``Erik | ok |
| 23:24.40 | ``Erik | asks ralith and beats brlcad |
| 23:24.40 | brlcad | or mafm |
| 23:24.45 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:24.57 | mafm | what about Ogre? |
| 23:25.04 | ``Erik | dev or stable |
| 23:25.06 | Ralith | ``Erik: g3d you mean? |
| 23:25.08 | mafm | ralith removed it yesterday with consent from starseeker |
| 23:25.10 | Ralith | Ogre stable should work |
| 23:25.14 | Ralith | it's >=1.6 right? |
| 23:25.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1479 10/wiki/User:Jdoliner: |
| 23:25.25 | mafm | I noted that I had put it there last year to have all dependencies inside |
| 23:25.26 | ``Erik | um, 1.6 is stable |
| 23:25.32 | Ralith | then that'll work |
| 23:25.43 | Ralith | mafm: iirc, the reason it was there last year was because 1.6 wasn't stable yet and we needed some 1.6 features |
| 23:25.45 | ``Erik | I'll grab dev anyways, there may be some future-proofing opportunities |
| 23:25.55 | ``Erik | (and damnit, brlcad, you're supposed to know EVERYTHING) |
| 23:25.57 | mafm | but I don't know which version Qt (or Ralith) needs |
| 23:26.15 | mafm | it only needed a simple patch for RBGui |
| 23:26.20 | Ralith | well, the Qt-in-Ogre-in-Qt thing I think I'm going with depends on a 1.6 feature |
| 23:26.29 | mafm | but now that RBGui is gone, no problem for me |
| 23:26.31 | brlcad | reiterates http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Expectations for all students |
| 23:26.34 | Ralith | mafm: works fine unpatched with RBGui, too. |
| 23:27.18 | mafm | probably because they include the patch in newer versions -- it was only a new function |
| 23:27.37 | Ralith | yeah, I think I remember debugging that when I first tried a system ogre actually |
| 23:27.51 | mafm | Frequent communication with mentor -- ouch, I failed in that :P |
| 23:28.28 | brlcad | we'll probably rebundle it later -- there's no problem either way until we go to press a source release and have to consider dependency management from non-developer compiling users |
| 23:34.43 | mafm | current stable version is 1.6.2 (and recent, 2 months old), so if it's enough, I'd go with it |
| 23:37.10 | ``Erik | <-- did an svn checkout of ogre3d's trunk |
| 23:42.17 | ``Erik | yay, dependancy hell :D |
| 23:46.15 | mafm | such a big library (needing in turn other libraries) is indeed not fun |
| 23:46.49 | mafm | isn't there some concept in SVN about virtual repositories? |
| 23:47.26 | mafm | you have a separate module (with ogre and the like) and then attach it to some point in other directories (g3d and maybe others) |
| 23:47.43 | mafm | it could help in maintenance if several parts depend on it |
| 23:48.16 | mafm | because OGRE needs about a dozen other libraries... |
| 23:49.14 | ``Erik | and zziplib doesn't wanna build clean, neato |
| 00:07.39 | poolio | hey all, how's gsoc going? |
| 00:08.09 | mafm | erm, the beach is great? :P :D |
| 00:08.54 | poolio | oo nice :) |
| 00:09.26 | mafm | things are still starting to unfold |
| 00:09.48 | mafm | gimme a patch here, install ogre there... :) |
| 00:09.59 | mafm | and brlcad poking ppl around, as usua |
| 00:10.02 | mafm | usual* |
| 00:20.33 | brlcad | mafm: yeah, we could just hook into their SVN from our repository, maybe using a tag/branch that they indicate -- something to consider down the road |
| 00:23.04 | mafm | never tried that, but I saw ppl doing it in other project |
| 00:28.08 | mafm | time to sleep! |
| 00:32.25 | ``Erik | 'cept not all of the deps are svn, most seem to be cvs so far |
| 00:33.42 | brlcad | you'd just link to ogre, could still suck in the rest |
| 00:36.53 | Ralith | afks |
| 00:57.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34724 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/ (Makefile.am g-adrt.c): this g-adrt.c is defunct. remove it (can always look in the repo to get it back) |
| 02:21.47 | brlcad | completes something evil |
| 02:22.11 | brlcad | 22:22 judgement hour |
| 02:22.22 | brlcad | waddles off |
| 02:47.23 | starseeker | brlcad: finally develop skynet did you? ;-) |
| 02:56.12 | pacman87 | starseeker: that was a while ago, now he's contemplating releasing it |
| 03:00.20 | ``Erik | something evil, something about judgement hour, and then he had to waddle instead of walking normally... and you're asking questions? O.o |
| 03:03.02 | starseeker | ``Erik: if I need to duck and cover, I'd like to know... |
| 03:03.12 | starseeker | sounds scary to me ;-) |
| 03:10.36 | brlcad | nothing so simple |
| 03:17.23 | starseeker | ponders attempting an ogre build manually vs trying the ebuild... |
| 05:01.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r1480 10/wiki/User:IRPGuardian: New page: The Coolest guy in the World. |
| 05:43.29 | Ralith | returns! |
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| 09:48.43 | brlcad | welcome back! |
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| 19:17.16 | ``Erik | huh, show on history international about a group trying to accurately model the forbidden city in china |
| 19:17.26 | ``Erik | sounds like they're using csg based on some small comments they've made |
| 19:17.53 | ``Erik | "primitives, by that I mean things like spheres, even planes" |
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| 19:49.08 | ``Erik | http://www.beyondspaceandtime.org/FCBSTWeb/web/index.html |
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| 13:09.21 | brlcad | starseeker: only the basics, nice relatively quiet town, especially towards the north end (but not too close to NP) |
| 13:11.39 | brlcad | ow...seriously need to tag and release asap |
| 13:45.32 | ``Erik | and migrate to the new machine *cough* O:-) |
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| 13:48.33 | jdoliner | sean if you don't like the idea of a VCROSS_INIT macro |
| 13:48.48 | jdoliner | can I just make an INIT macro |
| 13:49.00 | ``Erik | why not just make 2 lines? |
| 13:49.07 | jdoliner | that just sets a vector up to initialize another macro |
| 13:49.29 | jdoliner | I guess I just have a compulsion to save it because I have to do it so many times |
| 13:50.18 | jdoliner | like the lines required for the macro will be much few than how many I need to make every initilization to a cross two lines instead of one |
| 13:54.59 | ``Erik | mebbe do it at the top of your cxx file? |
| 13:55.26 | ``Erik | doesn't think it warrants modifying a core header like vmath.h :) |
| 13:56.26 | indianlarry | jdoliner: hey joe it was my call on the INIT macro but most here are in agreement |
| 13:57.25 | jdoliner | okay, two lines it is ;-) |
| 14:30.12 | brlcad | jdoliner: consistency is king |
| 14:30.15 | brlcad | general practice in C is towards static initialization on declaration, which contrasts with the more natural dynamic init you often find with C++ |
| 14:30.58 | jdoliner | i see, that would explain my compulsion |
| 14:31.03 | brlcad | so pretty common to find separation between decl and init, and in this specific situation even, it'd still be preferred |
| 14:31.08 | jdoliner | I'm a C programmer at heart :) |
| 14:32.45 | brlcad | particularly with really old compilers, but even with modern ones, you can get some craptastic behavior during the dynamic init when there is a memory problem with the stack frame being close |
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| 14:34.01 | brlcad | the bigger issue in terms of maintainability is what indianlarry mentioned about pretty much then needing a similar init function for every macro, which would be ineffective to maintain |
| 14:34.44 | brlcad | there would also be code consistency problems with some code using the init calls, most not -- it expands the API with non-functional additions of logic/complexity |
| 14:35.16 | jdoliner | I see |
| 14:35.23 | brlcad | also, you might not have covered in classes yet, but your VZERO macro is just wrong :) |
| 14:35.44 | ``Erik | on two counts |
| 14:36.56 | ``Erik | (floating point fuzz and the 'z' argument is mucked) |
| 14:37.40 | jdoliner | yeah there's the typo whoops |
| 14:38.10 | jdoliner | in breplicator.c we use all of the equality functions with tolerances of 0.0 |
| 14:38.17 | jdoliner | does that create similar problems? |
| 14:38.29 | ``Erik | for fuzz, yes |
| 14:38.50 | ``Erik | try using FLT_EPSILON or DBL_EPSILON or something to compare |
| 14:39.14 | ``Erik | if ( fabs(x) < DBL_EPSILON ) instead of if ( x == 0.0 ) |
| 14:40.26 | jdoliner | I've actually left tol open to be passed down by higher functions |
| 14:40.32 | jdoliner | by just using the VNEAR_ZERO macro |
| 14:40.38 | jdoliner | do you think that's a good idea? |
| 14:47.08 | ``Erik | shells in and kill -9's indianlarry's irc process because he's thinking too hard about that book he's writing :> |
| 14:47.26 | indianlarry | your call joe - if the usage doesn't require the DBL_EPSILON and is something that may change across invocations then pass in from higher |
| 14:48.13 | jdoliner | hmm |
| 14:50.33 | jdoliner | yeah at least for lower level stuff that's going to be called in a number of different places I want them passed down |
| 14:51.13 | indianlarry | erik suggest checking tolerance passed in to make sure not less than DBL_EPSILON ... |
| 14:53.36 | jdoliner | yeah that makes sense |
| 14:53.36 | jdoliner | also you probably already saw this but in case you didn't I submitted a revised patch :) |
| 14:54.40 | brlcad | instead of using *_EPSILON, vmath abstracts out two tolerance types if you basically want/need hardware limit (whatever that may be) and not application limited |
| 14:54.54 | brlcad | unitize tolerance and division tolerance |
| 14:55.39 | brlcad | division tolerance is generally the hardware's ability to differentiate two fastf_t values (i.e., DBL_EPSILON) |
| 15:00.57 | brlcad | unitize tolerance is a couple orders higher as the minimum delta required to distinguish two vectors (you naturally lose a lot of precision after the sqrt and multiplies) |
| 15:05.58 | brlcad | jdoliner: also more specific to your two patch files, when you respond to comments with an update, you can delete/replace the existing files with a new one |
| 15:06.45 | brlcad | we might have to iterate a couple times just to make sure we discuss all the issues (there are still a variety of minor whitespace, indentation, comment, footer issues to sort out) |
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| 16:30.19 | starseeker | hey elena |
| 16:30.57 | elena | hi starseeker. |
| 16:31.23 | elena | :) |
| 16:33.58 | starseeker | elena: oh, ment to ask - where's your wiki page or whatnot with your daily work log? |
| 16:34.25 | starseeker | makes note to make irc logs searchable... |
| 16:34.54 | elena | wiki is here http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:EBautu |
| 16:35.15 | elena | should I keep a daily log? |
| 16:39.33 | starseeker | yep |
| 16:39.44 | elena | ok. i'll start one. |
| 16:40.02 | elena | should it be on the that wiki page or in someplace else? |
| 16:40.11 | starseeker | wiki is fine |
| 16:40.24 | elena | perfect :) |
| 16:40.25 | starseeker | doesn't need to be long, just a note on what was done each workday |
| 16:40.41 | elena | ok. sure. |
| 16:41.44 | elena | may I start it tomorow? today I've been all day at a conference and didn't get much done. |
| 16:43.51 | starseeker | ok. |
| 16:43.57 | elena | thank you. |
| 16:44.01 | starseeker | need to keep up with it though |
| 16:44.11 | elena | ok. i will. |
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| 17:25.02 | jdoliner | where are unit tests located? |
| 17:29.28 | starseeker | unit tests? you mean what units a database is using? |
| 17:35.44 | jdoliner | no, I mean like do you have one place where you keep all of the tests for different pieces of code |
| 17:35.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34725 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Add mechanism to do corner evals for nurbs solving only when the ray is 'close' to parallel with the surface normal plane - still need to base 'close' on some function of the flatness criteria. |
| 18:02.01 | starseeker | jdoliner: we don't have a unit test framework as such |
| 18:02.17 | jdoliner | i see |
| 18:02.21 | jdoliner | when you say as such |
| 18:02.35 | jdoliner | is there some sort of equivalent thing? |
| 18:05.17 | starseeker | it depends - there are regression tests for various bits of functionality |
| 18:05.46 | starseeker | but no function level testing in the "unit test framework" sense |
| 18:06.30 | starseeker | I've had discussions with other team members about it in the past, but the consensus is it would involve a HUGE amount of work for fairly minimal gain, at least at this point |
| 18:08.44 | ``Erik | there are a couple small ad hoc tests when a piece of code becomes prone to issues, but we mostly rely on large integration tests (namely our benchmark pixcmp stuff) |
| 18:09.07 | ``Erik | but, for example, libbu has 'htester' |
| 18:09.17 | jdoliner | yeah I guess to make comprehensive tests for such a large project would take forever and we know it works |
| 18:09.19 | jdoliner | I see |
| 18:09.30 | jdoliner | well I'm writing some tests right now |
| 18:09.59 | jdoliner | and I was asking because I would have included them in the framework |
| 18:10.50 | starseeker | np - just keep them in with your code, keep them organzied, and comment them out when you're "done" with that part of the code |
| 18:11.41 | ``Erik | if it helps, you could make an executable with them as an explicit target? *shrug* |
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| 18:21.25 | jdoliner | Erik: yeah I'm doing it as a seperate executable |
| 18:21.25 | jdoliner | but I should include the tests? |
| 18:58.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34726 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/find.c: Modified ged_find_ref (i.e. added a space after appending name to ged_result_str). |
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| 19:46.00 | brlcad | jdoliner: there are system, regression, and integration tests in the regress/ directory -- the issue with unit tests is another case of maintainability |
| 19:46.17 | brlcad | unit tests are relatively high-maintenance (compared to other types of tests like integration tests) |
| 19:48.43 | jdoliner | sry what do you mean by integration tests? |
| 19:49.21 | brlcad | not to mention the sheer size of writing unit tests for a 1M sized codebase .. one that has complete coverage, that's another massive project in itself, and one that increases the code complexity (anything changed requires changing it at least twice) causing change resistance or tests that fall out of sync |
| 19:49.41 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integration_testing |
| 19:50.48 | brlcad | instead of testing whether routing foo_blah() computes a foo and returns 0 for A and non-0 for B inputs, you test whether the pix-png conversion tool (which hypothetically uses foo_blah()) actually works for a given set of "high-level" tests |
| 19:51.34 | brlcad | s/routing/routine/ |
| 19:52.38 | jdoliner | okay I understand |
| 19:54.10 | brlcad | regression, system, and integration tests are (much) lower maintenance than unit tests as they should only fail on select user-visible changes, not any API change (which is good and bad, but overall good in terms of effectiveness) |
| 19:55.02 | jdoliner | right actually I think my project lends itself pretty well to integrative tests |
| 19:55.05 | jdoliner | overall |
| 19:55.15 | jdoliner | but while I make it I still of course have to test module by module |
| 19:55.36 | brlcad | yeah.. you're quite welcome to write tests for your code, especially throughout your development |
| 19:55.57 | brlcad | I almost always write test harness applications when writing new API routines like you're doing regardless |
| 19:57.13 | brlcad | if the test harness is "useful" by the time i'm done, it gets added in somewhere .. but more often than not, it's just development throw-away code that wouldn't add value even if it had full-coverage on that snippet |
| 19:57.52 | brlcad | so just use your judgement, or commit if unsure (easy to remove later) :) |
| 19:58.36 | jdoliner | will do |
| 19:58.47 | jdoliner | have you taken a look at my most recent patch? |
| 19:59.08 | brlcad | jdoliner: remember to focus on cleaning up that patch first though -- getting commit sorted out is more important than getting the code implemented right now |
| 19:59.35 | jdoliner | I'm actually unclear right now what still needs to be cleaned up in it still |
| 19:59.37 | brlcad | i hadn't, was hoping indianlarry would take a stab at it first ;) |
| 19:59.46 | jdoliner | ok cool |
| 19:59.48 | jdoliner | I'm sure he will |
| 20:01.27 | brlcad | looking now |
| 20:01.46 | brlcad | okay several minor points at a glance |
| 20:02.29 | brlcad | all files should have our standard header and footer -- you added the footer but not the header |
| 20:02.41 | brlcad | there are scripts in sh/ for adding header/footer or both (template) |
| 20:03.25 | brlcad | another, consistency point on comment style, include a space after your *'s in comments /* like this */ and /*not like this*/ |
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| 20:04.06 | brlcad | if you have a blocking editor like emacs, vi, studio, etc, you should be able to auto-indent paragraphs (column 70) |
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| 20:09.20 | brlcad | pretty minor, but else should be on the } line, not after |
| 20:12.05 | brlcad | ah, yes -- your indent whitespace also is inconsistent with our HACKING guidelines -- what editor are you using? |
| 20:12.53 | jdoliner | vim |
| 20:12.57 | brlcad | space between ){ |
| 20:13.28 | brlcad | so there's a setting in vim you can enable and it'll auto-configure itself based on the comment footer |
| 20:13.30 | jdoliner | should an else if be on the } line too? |
| 20:13.44 | jdoliner | oh please tell me that command |
| 20:13.49 | brlcad | I forget the exact magic keystroke incantations, maybe erik knows |
| 20:13.58 | brlcad | yes, } else { |
| 20:14.26 | jdoliner | "} else if {" too? |
| 20:14.35 | brlcad | it's standard K&R / Stroustrup style |
| 20:14.39 | brlcad | yes |
| 20:16.15 | brlcad | the HACKING file talks about most of this with some examples, so please do read it in full (and *not* just skim it) |
| 20:17.57 | brlcad | the style plays heavily into the consistency and maintainability of the code you add, so it's more about uniformity across the source code |
| 20:18.31 | brlcad | not N styles from N contributors, regardless of personal preferences or familiarity, for better or worse -- changes to style are intentional amongst the group (and applied across the entire code) |
| 20:19.22 | brlcad | there's actually a long-standing effort to continually clean up the inconsistencies that exist, but as mentioned in the guide, it's not an excuse for new code and not an excuse to not make the existing code consistent ;) |
| 20:23.15 | brlcad | looks like that covers it for the patch, the only other thing noticed would be for authorship/contact info to move to the AUTHORS file instead of per-source. files are invariably multi-authored if they survive any useful length of time -- the docs provide credit better |
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| 21:01.26 | jdoliner1 | I don't see what's inconsistent about my indent whitespace |
| 21:01.37 | jdoliner1 | should it be exanded to spaces? |
| 21:11.22 | brlcad | no.. |
| 21:11.32 | brlcad | did you read HACKInG? |
| 21:11.47 | jdoliner1 | yes many times |
| 21:12.03 | jdoliner1 | and it really seems like its right |
| 21:12.04 | brlcad | and, then in the section on whitespace |
| 21:12.22 | jdoliner1 | but maybe im missing something obvious |
| 21:12.23 | brlcad | Indents are 4 characters, tabs are 8 characters. |
| 21:12.48 | brlcad | which for vi is what the "ex: shiftwidth=4 tabstop=8" declaration means |
| 21:12.56 | brlcad | that's a "vi-line" |
| 21:13.06 | brlcad | equivalent to "vi: shiftwidth=4 tabstop=8" |
| 21:13.46 | brlcad | means first indent is 4 chars, second is a tab, third is a tab+4chars, fourth is 2tabs, etc |
| 21:14.22 | brlcad | if you set those two vi variables, it should indent correctly |
| 21:15.32 | jdoliner1 | i'm was pretty sure that's what I set them too... |
| 21:23.27 | jdoliner1 | okay I think I got everything |
| 21:23.35 | jdoliner1 | **crosses fingers |
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| 16:36.22 | pianohacker | Is there a help page detailing the various kinds of primitives and what parameters they take? Trying to follow the included tutorial, and the order of parameters has apparently changed in 7.14.8 |
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| 17:30.04 | jdoliner | indianlarry, are you around? |
| 17:42.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34727 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added 3d box grow and added some more debugging hooks |
| 17:48.13 | indianlarry | hey joe what's up |
| 17:50.30 | jdoliner | hi |
| 17:50.42 | jdoliner | is there any chance you could take a look at my most recent patch |
| 17:50.46 | jdoliner | when you get a chance |
| 17:51.15 | indianlarry | sure i had checked earlier but it looked older then the most recent IRC chats with brlcad |
| 17:51.29 | jdoliner | I haven't heard anything back for ~12 hours and I think I've caught all the stylistic errors at this point |
| 17:51.40 | indianlarry | I'll run through it |
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| 17:52.31 | jdoliner | great thanks alot |
| 18:09.36 | indianlarry | hey joe, is your latest version uploaded? not sure why but your patch on tracker uploaded 2009-06-15 21:22 still has a full tab indent at first level |
| 18:10.50 | jdoliner | okay I think I'm confused on what the tabs should be |
| 18:11.39 | jdoliner | the first indented line should be the equivalent of 4 spaces? |
| 18:11.55 | jdoliner | and then every tab after it should be 8? |
| 18:15.30 | indianlarry | take a look at something like src/librt/cmd.c |
| 18:16.44 | indianlarry | indents should be increments of 4 with tabs for groups of 8 chars |
| 18:17.08 | indianlarry | so indent 5 would be 2 tabs and 4 spaces |
| 18:17.27 | jdoliner | okay |
| 18:17.32 | jdoliner | that makes more sense |
| 18:19.38 | jdoliner | okay so I set shiftwidth to 4 then |
| 18:19.42 | jdoliner | and tabstop to 8 |
| 18:20.28 | jdoliner | and then select all and hit = |
| 18:20.38 | jdoliner | and it looks like that was what I already had |
| 18:21.37 | starseeker | I recommend also checking out the utility script ws.sh |
| 18:22.10 | starseeker | not totally sure if it's still current, but you can check |
| 18:24.49 | jdoliner | okay just ran it through ws.sh and now every indent is a full tab. |
| 18:24.55 | jdoliner | which doesn't seem right to me |
| 18:26.33 | starseeker | I'd suggest finding a file brlcad has worked with recently (a ws commit message is usually a good sign) and seeing how that is set up |
| 18:28.51 | jdoliner | k |
| 18:29.11 | jdoliner | indianlarry I just uploaded a different one that I think is the correct whitespacing |
| 18:29.12 | jdoliner | is it? |
| 18:32.57 | indianlarry | checking |
| 18:33.14 | jdoliner | cool |
| 18:37.13 | indianlarry | sorry didn't make a difference. what editor are you using |
| 18:40.16 | jdoliner | vim |
| 18:41.45 | jdoliner | it looks right in emacs too |
| 18:43.08 | indianlarry | let me go back to tracker maybe not downloading properly |
| 18:48.44 | indianlarry | joe does src/librt/cmd.c look spaced the same as brepintesect.cpp |
| 18:48.52 | indianlarry | in your editor? |
| 18:49.03 | jdoliner | yes |
| 18:49.16 | jdoliner | the first indent is 4 spaces |
| 18:49.20 | jdoliner | then 1 tab etc. |
| 18:50.35 | indianlarry | was there any differences in for file from the upload last night |
| 18:51.00 | jdoliner | yes I believe so |
| 18:51.25 | jdoliner | but I deleted that file when I uploaded the new patch |
| 18:59.26 | starseeker | starseeker: looks ok here, indianlarry also looking at |
| 18:59.40 | starseeker | might be something about his particular machine |
| 18:59.43 | starseeker | seems to be OK here |
| 18:59.58 | jdoliner | hmm |
| 19:00.23 | jdoliner | what about my machine could cause this? |
| 19:00.48 | indianlarry | i think he meant my setup |
| 19:43.52 | indianlarry | hey joe looks okay to me, will try to get brlcad to open you up for commit |
| 19:45.41 | indianlarry | remember several functions (ie printf -> bu_log) are wrapped or re-implemented in libbu for cross-platform use |
| 19:45.50 | indianlarry | called out in hacking guide |
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| 20:10.48 | jdoliner | k |
| 20:11.04 | jdoliner | I'll reread those immediately |
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| 21:10.13 | indianlarry | jdoliner: looks like an error in your src/proc-db/Makefile.am mods, your referencing brepintersect.c versus .cpp |
| 21:12.23 | indianlarry | jdoliner: you'll also want to follow 'breplicator' related build info, a cpp requires additional linking information |
| 21:13.47 | jdoliner | I see |
| 21:13.57 | jdoliner | k just changed it to be the same as for breplicator |
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| 00:38.02 | ``Erik | effing broke my wrist :( |
| 00:38.13 | brlcad | que? como? |
| 00:39.15 | brlcad | hehe, I think you're doing it wrong. *ahem* :) |
| 00:39.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 0389.136.118.141 07http://brlcad.org * r1483 10/wiki/User:EBautu: |
| 00:39.29 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:40.23 | ``Erik | was drunk rough-housing, put the hand down to keep my an the kids skull from smackng ground |
| 00:41.21 | ``Erik | extended sick leave in an unfun way :( |
| 00:42.08 | ``Erik | unless I can coerce daytona and bparker into carrying my |
| 00:42.08 | ``Erik | me |
| 00:42.42 | ``Erik | (which is an unsubtle hint for you to chatter them) |
| 00:42.46 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:43.22 | ``Erik | or anyone else who can talk to 'em *shrug* |
| 00:45.03 | brlcad | you can't drive with one arm? I manage it all the time ;) |
| 00:45.14 | ``Erik | right arm is out |
| 00:45.17 | brlcad | knee + left-hand shift |
| 00:45.19 | brlcad | ;) |
| 00:45.37 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:45.45 | brlcad | isn't kidding <cackle> |
| 00:46.32 | ``Erik | clipped a piece off the cup |
| 00:46.49 | brlcad | and there are already plans for chinese buffet 'morrow :) |
| 00:47.10 | ``Erik | which? |
| 00:47.25 | ``Erik | lee's hunan is one I can skip |
| 00:47.26 | brlcad | er, not family |
| 00:47.38 | brlcad | ah, then you won't miss anything :) |
| 00:48.09 | ``Erik | I think that spaghetti at grmpys had chicken |
| 00:48.18 | brlcad | man is this ceviche awesome! |
| 00:48.31 | ``Erik | heh, bring some up! |
| 00:49.26 | brlcad | dont think any will be left, only got a pound of orange roughy which will probably be gone after tonight |
| 00:49.42 | ``Erik | hey, what kinda stuff does tidewater have? I really wanna go, ... but am not 100% |
| 00:49.50 | brlcad | have to make a nother batch |
| 00:50.17 | ``Erik | you should bring some into work :) |
| 00:50.25 | brlcad | specialty is seafood, but also have other stuff -- steak, salad, soups, etc |
| 00:50.49 | ``Erik | so a harbor snob shop |
| 00:50.57 | brlcad | http://www.thetidewatergrille.com/menus/lunch-dinner-menu.html |
| 00:51.41 | ``Erik | heh, the have an extra e :) |
| 00:52.15 | brlcad | it's so they can charge you more ;) |
| 00:52.33 | brlcad | mm.. that ribeye sounds really good |
| 00:53.19 | ``Erik | I'll keep the page open an see how my hand is doing in a couple days |
| 00:53.35 | ``Erik | I doubt steak is in my near future :( |
| 01:06.59 | starseeker | ``Erik: broken broken or just hurt? |
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| 09:46.47 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1484 10/wiki/User:Jdoliner: Updated with 3 days worth of progress. |
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| 11:47.21 | madant | brlcad: where exactly does mged search for the tab autocompletion ? |
| 11:49.06 | archivist | does it use readline...wherever that stores its data |
| 11:50.10 | ``Erik | um, there's a list in tcl, daytona added it |
| 11:52.43 | ``Erik | tab expansion in src/tclscripts/mged |
| 11:56.49 | madant | ``Erik: yay.. thanks :) |
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| 12:36.47 | brlcad | ~seen elena |
| 12:36.48 | ibot | elena <n=elena@89.136.118.141> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 1d 19h 52m 37s ago, saying: 'ok. i will.'. |
| 12:37.16 | brlcad | madant: trust you found it, yes? |
| 12:38.25 | brlcad | tab-completion needs to be refactored into more of a C component at some point, or at least a tcl component that is auto-loaded (you'll get an error presently if you run classic-mode without installing) |
| 12:39.45 | brlcad | Ralith: fyi, you're getting beyond danger zone at this point .. really gotta kick up the activity in a massive way |
| 12:40.02 | brlcad | pacman87: same for you too... |
| 12:41.13 | brlcad | it's easy to get distracted with other priorities, but there's going to be no possible way to recover if there are more days of inactivity |
| 12:43.03 | brlcad | really don't want to have to establish probationary failure criteria in order to keep the activity going, but it might have to come to that given folks aren't putting anywhere near full-time effort in yet |
| 12:58.30 | madant | brlcad: hmm.. not really.. still figuring it out :) |
| 12:59.05 | madant | i was making the first command in libged. lscon for listing constraint objects in a databse |
| 12:59.52 | madant | it works in mged now ( prints "Hi" that is) except for the autocompletion |
| 13:16.00 | mafm | brlcad: slap them with a large trout! |
| 13:34.46 | mafm | bah, nobody likes my MIRC reference :'( |
| 13:35.07 | madant | cheers mafm :P |
| 13:35.40 | mafm | cries, only gets cheers for pitiness... |
| 13:35.53 | madant | has to go shopping with MOM |
| 13:36.19 | madant | has to go shopping wiht MOM RIGHT NOW :P talk about pity :P |
| 13:37.39 | mafm | lol |
| 13:37.50 | mafm | I got a free day from mom today |
| 13:38.03 | mafm | she went with her ex-workmates :P |
| 13:38.08 | _clock_ | MOM RIGHT NOW is it sume subspecies of MOM? |
| 13:39.01 | mafm | yep _clock_, it's the most aggresive |
| 13:39.06 | mafm | worse than polar bear mums |
| 13:46.47 | brlcad | mafm: slapped |
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| 13:47.42 | brlcad | hopefully that message will convey the sheer urgency of the situation |
| 13:52.31 | brlcad | as a workaholic, I too-often tend to assume folks will simply work more/harder/better when they miss time in order to get caught up, but that's not been the case thusfar |
| 13:53.15 | brlcad | thankfully, e-mail does not lend itself well to a blink tag ;) |
| 13:54.17 | mafm_ | IMPORTANT SUBJECTS OMG would not help either, they to directly to spam :P |
| 13:54.26 | brlcad | DEFEAT DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS DOJO, DOES IT?! (NO SENSEI!) |
| 13:54.40 | mafm_ | :D |
| 13:55.51 | mafm_ | I've been a bit sidetracked in the past weeks too |
| 13:56.20 | mafm_ | but I managed to produce something regularly |
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| 14:27.41 | pacman87 | is guilty as charged |
| 14:32.39 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34728 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/filefield/ (34 files in 7 dirs): filefield 2.4 (initial commit) |
| 14:49.51 | madant | anybody else having all these Makefile.in and m4 scripts cropping up in the other/step during svn status check. should i edit the svn:ignore property ? |
| 14:50.33 | madant | same goes for some htmls in docbook/lessons/mged |
| 14:51.39 | starseeker | the step stuff yeah, I see it too - go for it on the property changes |
| 14:51.58 | starseeker | dunno about docbook/lessons/mged - thought I had all that - but if not go for it |
| 14:55.54 | madant | starseeker: for instance lessons/mged/mug_through_gui.html |
| 14:56.17 | madant | could i go for svn:ignore *.html in lessons/mged ? :) |
| 14:56.42 | starseeker | sure |
| 14:58.10 | madant | kewl.. and whats with all these m4 scripts m4/libtool.m4 .. creepy .. |
| 15:01.08 | ``Erik | urses |
| 15:01.09 | ``Erik | curses, even |
| 15:01.11 | starseeker | step is a full fledged subconfigure |
| 15:01.31 | starseeker | it can actually build as a standalone library |
| 15:01.54 | ``Erik | all imports can (src/other) |
| 15:04.13 | starseeker | I don't think most of them do the whole autogen -> configure stage on their own as a standalone checkout |
| 15:05.29 | starseeker | what I ment was if you were to checkout just trunk/src/other/step from our svn tree you don't need any of the top level autogen/configure scripts - it's self contained |
| 15:06.00 | starseeker | I'm not sure about that for all of the src/other libs |
| 15:06.05 | starseeker | particularly opennurbs |
| 15:06.30 | madant | boost doesn't even need building :) |
| 15:17.52 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34729 10/brlcad/trunk/ (13 files in 13 dirs): svn:ignore set for various files |
| 15:18.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34730 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/filefield/filefield.module: Add option to filefield fields to select local files (required for ftp model uploading) |
| 15:56.17 | ``Erik | ´no, many are not aumomake |
| 15:57.23 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34731 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/filefield/filefield.module: Add handler to filefield fields to select local files (required for ftp model uploading) |
| 16:00.54 | mafm | can see some relationship between brlcad's blackmailing and the current surge in activity :D |
| 16:01.50 | ``Erik | heh |
| 16:07.04 | ``Erik | cept it aint blackmail, it's step up or step off |
| 16:08.07 | starseeker | yep |
| 16:10.12 | mafm | he made them an offer that they can't refuse |
| 16:10.19 | mafm | il padrino |
| 16:11.17 | madant | :) |
| 16:11.40 | madant | il padrino indeed :P |
| 16:13.44 | madant | oh wait my commit didn't even have a single line change :P |
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| 16:33.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34732 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/filefield/filefield.module: Implement copy/move/link for local files in filefield fields (in order to cope with huge 1GB+ files) |
| 16:35.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34733 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (39 files in 39 dirs): svn:ignore further directories and files - step, adrt,proc-db and src/conv related |
| 16:53.23 | madant | brlcad: my autogen.sh adds these files to the m4 in root as well as src/other/step/m4 - libtool.m4, lt~obsolete.m4, ltsugar.m4 ltversion.m4 ltoptions.m4 should they be added to the svn:ignore individually ? |
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| 17:13.45 | brlcad | madant: it adds files to m4?? what version of libtool do you have? |
| 17:16.49 | brlcad | otherwise, yes -- you can/should individually (not globbed) add any files generated during autogen.sh or configure |
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| 17:24.13 | brlcad | jdoliner: hey jd -- did you see indianlarry's message about the patch not compiling? |
| 17:25.48 | jdoliner | yeah, updating right now |
| 17:26.03 | jdoliner | although it did still compile |
| 17:26.03 | brlcad | how'd it compile for you? :) |
| 17:26.05 | jdoliner | atleast for me |
| 17:27.04 | brlcad | hum |
| 17:28.05 | jdoliner | make brepintersect |
| 17:28.16 | jdoliner | worked for me |
| 17:29.31 | jdoliner | which in retrospect is kinda weird I guess |
| 17:30.47 | brlcad | but that gave you a brepintersect program that you could run? |
| 17:31.01 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 17:31.07 | brlcad | it should fail outright during autogen.sh |
| 17:31.24 | brlcad | (which you should run whenever you edit a Makefile.am or the configure.ac file) |
| 17:31.42 | jdoliner | I see I didn't know that |
| 17:31.54 | jdoliner | yeah "make brepintersect" |
| 17:32.15 | jdoliner | was working exactly how I wanted it to so I didn't think twice |
| 17:32.56 | jdoliner | okay just uploaded the changes I made to the make file |
| 17:33.01 | brlcad | no problem |
| 17:33.09 | brlcad | pretty minor issue |
| 17:33.28 | brlcad | not exactly within scope to become an expert on build systems and make ;) |
| 17:33.53 | indianlarry | jdoliner: i take a look at now |
| 17:34.02 | jdoliner | thanks |
| 17:34.14 | brlcad | i'm just surprised make is actually producing a product for which there isn't a rule, using some default rules :) .. maybe a gnumake feature, never seen that with bsdmake |
| 17:34.53 | brlcad | the patch is still the old one or did you just upload something now? |
| 17:35.20 | jdoliner | I just uploaded something new |
| 17:36.20 | brlcad | k |
| 17:38.10 | indianlarry | jdoliner: where's your header file? |
| 17:38.21 | indianlarry | jdoliner: not in patch |
| 17:38.35 | jdoliner | k |
| 17:38.40 | jdoliner | coming forth with |
| 17:38.56 | jdoliner | forgot to svn add that :? |
| 17:39.33 | brlcad | if you run "svn status", it'll tell you the state of files including files it doesn't know about annotated with ? |
| 17:39.33 | indianlarry | jdoliner: no problem just let me know when it's up |
| 17:40.02 | brlcad | svn status goes hand in hand with running svn diff when making a patch to make sure you've included everything |
| 17:40.42 | brlcad | and that's *not* just for patches .. you do the same for commits too .. otherwise you're going to hose other developers and the compilability of the code (especially for svn add's) |
| 17:43.27 | madant | brlcad ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 2.2.6 |
| 17:43.28 | jdoliner | k uploaded |
| 17:43.36 | indianlarry | jdoliner: on it |
| 17:44.00 | brlcad | madant: libtoolize --version |
| 17:44.11 | brlcad | same thing? |
| 17:44.28 | madant | yep |
| 17:44.35 | brlcad | okay, interesting then |
| 17:44.44 | brlcad | that's the newest libtool I've seen |
| 17:45.18 | madant | it basically adds the same m4 scripts to the root m4 and the one in step |
| 17:46.41 | brlcad | madant, indianlarry, pacman87: you all should have tracker rights now to update any tracker item data for any tracker item |
| 17:46.52 | brlcad | just fyi |
| 17:47.08 | madant | yippeeee :) |
| 17:47.22 | pacman87 | ok |
| 17:47.22 | madant | ok i should start acting more matured around here |
| 17:47.51 | brlcad | just shouldn't add/change any groups or categories (as they are permanent and cannot be unchanged) |
| 17:47.59 | brlcad | at least without discussion |
| 17:48.02 | madant | brlcad what is the intaval at src/other ? |
| 17:48.37 | brlcad | intaval is a geometry file format used in the UK -- it builds an importer (tgf-g) |
| 17:49.20 | brlcad | madant: it's no longer in src/other though... |
| 17:49.47 | brlcad | you probably just have a stale directory (svn won't remove the dir if they have files in them (like the generated Makefile)) |
| 17:49.55 | madant | yeah it has an empty directory with a Makefile and Makefile.in :P |
| 17:50.09 | indianlarry | jdoliner: hey all built okay, brlcad gave you commit access, make me proud ;^) |
| 17:51.11 | jdoliner | yippee |
| 17:51.12 | madant | jdoliner: congrats :) |
| 17:51.31 | madant | i was very thrilled when i got my commit access |
| 17:51.41 | madant | broke the build within a week i think :P stupid boost |
| 17:51.45 | brlcad | jdoliner: go ahead and commit your patch to make sure commit access is set up okay, include useful commit message, etc |
| 17:51.49 | brlcad | hehe madant |
| 17:51.51 | madant | i meant boostlib |
| 17:53.03 | brlcad | yeah, jdoliner -- don't expect you to get everything right, and accidental breakage from time to time will occur, but do expect you 1) to try to not break it, 2) to fix it quickly when you do break it and 3) to talk with the other devs, especially if you're unsure or have questions ;) |
| 17:53.15 | brlcad | otherwise, congrats! :) |
| 17:53.18 | jdoliner | thanks |
| 17:53.24 | jdoliner | password is my sourceforge password? |
| 17:53.32 | brlcad | I sure hope so |
| 17:53.33 | madant | jdoliner: yep |
| 17:54.00 | madant | at some point i want to shift my name from stupid homovulgaris to madant at sourceforge |
| 17:54.03 | brlcad | one you set it, it'll cache the password so you don't have to keep entering it |
| 18:00.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r34734 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am brepintersect.cpp brepintersect.h): |
| 18:00.20 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Initial commit for breponbrep CSG support. Adds the functions PointInTriangle, |
| 18:00.20 | brlcad | woo hoo |
| 18:00.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: SegmentSegmentIntersect, SegmentTriangleIntersect, TriangleTriangleIntersect, |
| 18:00.26 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: and stub for TriangleBrepIntersect in brepintersect.cpp. Also adds |
| 18:00.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: brepintersect.h, the header file for brepintersect.cpp. And modifies the |
| 18:00.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Makefiles. |
| 18:00.35 | brlcad | nice |
| 18:00.40 | jdoliner | oh baby |
| 18:00.49 | indianlarry | why to go jdoliner |
| 18:01.03 | jdoliner | thanks guys |
| 18:02.04 | madant | brlcad types too fast didn't even give CIA time to finish :P |
| 18:02.25 | ``Erik | effin blankety blank |
| 18:02.27 | brlcad | CIA-32 is slow |
| 18:02.57 | pacman87 | time to upgrade to v33? |
| 18:04.03 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:14.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34735 10/brlcad/trunk/ (9 files in 5 dirs): adding the framework for lscon (list constraints) command to libged, associated tab-completion in mged |
| 18:15.11 | madant | mafm: step up or step off always works :D |
| 18:18.10 | madant | brlcad, elena: how do i access this more system ? i mean what do i do at brlcad.org/more ? |
| 18:24.43 | brlcad | madant: patience :) |
| 18:25.34 | brlcad | she's been installing extension modules that are needed/useful |
| 18:25.56 | brlcad | then comes configuration, then comes stubbing out a new module with functionality |
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| 18:44.54 | madant | brlcad: ok :) |
| 18:58.24 | mafm | yay for stepping up! |
| 19:09.31 | madant | mafm: moi ? not sure if i did :) |
| 19:12.43 | mafm | only il padrino knows |
| 19:19.20 | ``Erik | woot, gratz jdoliner |
| 19:19.55 | jdoliner | oh thanks eric |
| 19:20.25 | ``Erik | k... |
| 20:26.42 | Ralith | brlcad: thanks for the notice |
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| 20:34.11 | Ralith | today, if all goes well, I should get RBGUI in Ogre in Qt to work |
| 20:34.39 | Ralith | then it's on to the task of rendering Qt widgets within Ogre in Qt, which should be easy. |
| 20:36.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34736 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/captcha/ (30 files in 5 dirs): captcha initial commit (3.2) |
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| 20:39.34 | Ralith | mafm: you around? |
| 20:45.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34737 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/fivestar/ (92 files in 15 dirs): fivestar initial commit (1.15) |
| 20:47.23 | Ralith | ffffff |
| 20:47.31 | Ralith | great time for my wm to lose all semblance of stability >:| |
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| 20:49.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34738 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/flag/ (21 files in 3 dirs): flag module initial commit (1.1) |
| 20:51.51 | jdoliner | ralith: my window manager just detached one of the windows from its shadows |
| 20:52.12 | jdoliner | it felt so reminiscent of Peter Pan |
| 20:52.18 | Ralith | heh |
| 20:52.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34739 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/imageapi/ (13 files): imageapi module initial commit (1.5) |
| 20:53.34 | Ralith | hokay, functionality restored |
| 20:53.35 | Ralith | back to work |
| 20:54.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34740 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/imagefield/ (12 files in 2 dirs): imagefield module initial commit (2.6) |
| 20:55.25 | brlcad | Ralith: sure, and good to hear -- great info for your wiki log after today ;) |
| 20:55.55 | Ralith | yeah. I think I need to buy this machine a new ramstick, though. |
| 20:55.59 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r34741 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/brepintersect.cpp: Added tests for SegmentTriangleIntersect. Fixed a bug in SegmentTriangleIntersect |
| 20:56.06 | Ralith | if I don't kill FF, just runninng g++ is going to drag me to a halt |
| 20:56.19 | pacman87 | Ralith: what are you running now? |
| 20:57.00 | Ralith | one 512MB stick |
| 20:57.20 | Ralith | just loading file menu to exit cleanly took a minute :| |
| 20:57.28 | Ralith | I did not know building C++ took up this much RAM. |
| 20:59.09 | Ralith | firefox annoyance #1: it doesn't exit when you think it's exited |
| 20:59.15 | Ralith | breaks out the kill -9 |
| 20:59.39 | Ralith | watches half his memory free up :D |
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| 21:02.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34742 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/mimedetect/ (9 files): mimedetect module initial commit (1.3) |
| 21:27.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34743 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Added temporary accessors for Ogre-related pointers to ease RBGui->Qt transition. |
| 21:28.22 | Ralith | argh. |
| 21:41.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 0389.136.118.141 07http://brlcad.org * r1485 10/wiki/More_Changelog: |
| 21:41.03 | Ralith | ...ahah! |
| 21:42.05 | Ralith | yay! progress! |
| 21:42.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 0389.136.118.141 07http://brlcad.org * r1486 10/wiki/More_Changelog: |
| 21:44.03 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34744 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Perform OGRE initialization in constructor so that OGRE's various singletons exist before the application formally starts. |
| 22:08.54 | Ralith | argh. |
| 22:09.10 | Ralith | I'm going to have to drag all the RBGui stuff into OgreGLWidget until RBGui is completely purged >:| |
| 22:17.59 | starseeker | Ralith: well, it's in a state of flux anyway :-) |
| 22:18.19 | Ralith | yeah, but it's making my nice tidy widget implemenation all messy. |
| 22:18.36 | starseeker | Ralith: Ah :-) |
| 22:22.56 | elena | hi Cliff. |
| 22:23.09 | starseeker | hey elena - how goes it? |
| 22:23.32 | elena | fine. did you had a change to look at the activity log? |
| 22:23.38 | elena | is it ok how it is? |
| 22:24.40 | starseeker | yep, looks goog |
| 22:24.42 | starseeker | er good |
| 22:24.51 | elena | ok. thank you. |
| 22:25.05 | elena | i'm working now on the multiple upload methods. |
| 22:25.34 | starseeker | very good :-) |
| 22:26.23 | elena | :) |
| 22:54.47 | elena | going to bed. |
| 22:54.54 | starseeker | ok, night! |
| 22:54.59 | elena | bye. have a nice day. |
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| 23:29.54 | brlcad | ~ralith++ |
| 23:29.59 | brlcad | hooray for progress :) |
| 23:33.41 | starseeker | brlcad: up for a C++ question? |
| 23:33.48 | brlcad | always |
| 23:33.59 | brlcad | answer is probably "don't do it!" |
| 23:34.10 | brlcad | s/it/whatever/ :) |
| 23:34.12 | starseeker | hehe |
| 23:35.05 | starseeker | OK, we currently have BANodes and BVNodes defined for the curve and surface trees. There are typedef statements that appear to be linking each of those to ON_BoundingBox, e.g. typedef BANode<ON_BoundingBox> BRNode; |
| 23:35.59 | brlcad | sorta, but continue |
| 23:37.16 | brlcad | BANode<ON_BoundingBox> can be thought of as a type of it's own, hence the typedef -- more specifically, BANode is a template class, apparently a node comprised of an ON_BoundingBox object |
| 23:38.29 | starseeker | OK, so that node gets ON_BoundingBox + whatever was defined in BANode? |
| 23:39.10 | starseeker | or is it JUST a ON_BoundingBox that can be treated as also being of type BANode? |
| 23:39.11 | brlcad | really all it means is that BANodes use an ON_BoundingBox in some fashion |
| 23:39.27 | brlcad | depends entirely on how it was used |
| 23:39.33 | starseeker | OK. |
| 23:39.38 | mafm | Ralith: intermittently :D |
| 23:39.51 | brlcad | the thing between the <>'s is any type, used in some way by the class |
| 23:40.33 | brlcad | for example, BANode<int> could conceivably work, for example |
| 23:40.34 | starseeker | brlcad: The functional consequence appears to be to allow the m_node.m_min statements to actually return something, because m_min is defined in ON_BoundingBox and is nowhere defined in opennurbs_ext.h that I can see |
| 23:41.48 | brlcad | can sort of think of the thing between the <>'s, e.g. <FOO> as a #define FOO ON_BoundingBox .. and the BANode class uses FOO in various places in its header |
| 23:41.49 | starseeker | and in the class definition of BANode m_node is defined thusly: BA m_node; |
| 23:42.06 | brlcad | so when you say BANode<Whatever> it substitutes all the FOO's with Whatever |
| 23:42.32 | starseeker | Ah, OK |
| 23:43.50 | brlcad | templates really are sorta similar to the preprocessor, just instead it's a language intrinsic that the compiler knows about so it can actually continue to perform proper type checking |
| 23:43.58 | starseeker | so that definition means anything of class BA will satisfy the type requirements and can be assigned to m_node? |
| 23:44.38 | brlcad | it means m_node is of type <WHATEVER> |
| 23:45.34 | brlcad | so that m_node.m_min is only valid for classes that have a m_min data member, and trying to use a type like BANode<float> for example, will result in a compile error |
| 23:46.10 | brlcad | because it's like saying: float foo; foo.m_min = blah; |
| 23:46.21 | starseeker | ah. OK |
| 23:46.31 | brlcad | instead it's like: ON_BoundingBox foo; foo.m_min = blah; |
| 23:46.37 | brlcad | since that's what was in the <>'s |
| 23:47.04 | brlcad | somewhere in the definition you should see a line that says template <class BA> |
| 23:47.08 | starseeker | erm. what is the advantage of the typedef then over just using ON_BoundingBox? |
| 23:47.10 | starseeker | yes |
| 23:48.31 | starseeker | is missing something... |
| 23:48.41 | brlcad | 'class' is a compiler hint saying it needs to be a class type, not some basic type like int/float/etc; BA is the "#define BA ..." symbol |
| 23:49.20 | brlcad | so then the "BA m_node;" line can be thought of as being substituted by the <> class type |
| 23:50.23 | starseeker | resulting on ON_BoundingBox m_node; ? |
| 23:50.29 | starseeker | s/on/in |
| 23:50.32 | brlcad | yep |
| 23:51.19 | starseeker | now I REALLY don't get why he didn't just use a straight up ON_BoundingBox declaration |
| 23:51.49 | brlcad | templates are quite powerful and can be very beautiful, allowing very flexible and tuned performance |
| 23:52.02 | brlcad | template errors are a spawn of the devil and cause premature aging |
| 23:52.43 | brlcad | probably because he wasn't sure he wanted to couple his class so strongly to an ON class |
| 23:53.20 | brlcad | as a template, he theoretically has to change very minimal to use his own BB class, for example, or something highly optimized, etc |
| 23:53.28 | starseeker | oh, so he could just change that one line and avoid having to rewire all the explicit ON_BoundingBox references? |
| 23:53.34 | brlcad | right |
| 23:53.54 | mafm | premature aging, calculus is the kidneys, vomits and sometimes diarrhea |
| 23:53.55 | brlcad | he would just have to make a class that has a m_min data member and he would only have to change one line |
| 23:53.58 | brlcad | that's pretty cool |
| 23:55.40 | starseeker | proceeds to document that, no matter if it's overly basic and only helpful for C++ ignoramuses... |
| 23:55.54 | brlcad | thinks starseeker will probably become a fan of boost for their mathematical rigor once he gets the hang of templates |
| 23:56.15 | starseeker | probably :-) |
| 23:57.45 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks for clearing that up - I was trying to see how all that wired together and was having a bit of a time of i t |
| 23:58.50 | mafm | do you want to learn the basics about templates? probably some of the functions like std::max and the like are easy to grasp, and then some of the classic data structures (lists, queues...) |
| 23:59.06 | brlcad | and yes, fwiw, that's exceedingly basic c++ to be a persistent comment -- one intro course and that comment becomes the equivalent of explaining "#define FOO bar" replaces all instances of FOO with bar |
| 00:00.21 | starseeker | ok, fair enough. |
| 00:01.45 | brlcad | now you could document the requirement that it be a class that implements an m_min data member and whatever particular API calls that are made on that BA object, but then the compiler is going to fail on anything that doesn't implement those anyways (yay, typechecking) |
| 00:02.22 | starseeker | nods. It will only be an issue if we ever use something other than ON_BoundingBox, which isn't terribly likely |
| 00:15.17 | starseeker | ah, there it is |
| 00:15.28 | starseeker | indianlarry: BASegment is used in intersectshierarchy |
| 00:15.41 | starseeker | er intersectsHierarchy rather |
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| 00:33.39 | indianlarry | starseeker: will look into |
| 00:34.05 | starseeker | no rush - it's not hurting anything :-) |
| 00:34.44 | starseeker | a preliminary eval suggests it doesn't really need it, but not sure yet |
| 00:35.24 | indianlarry | starseeker: would be my guess but once we start delving into differences between utah and other may come into play |
| 00:50.46 | Ralith | hm |
| 00:50.51 | Ralith | nobody around here actually knows any Qt, right> |
| 00:50.52 | Ralith | ? |
| 00:52.07 | starseeker | I don't |
| 00:52.48 | brlcad | Ralith: its a big api,have to be a lot more specific :) |
| 00:53.41 | Ralith | brlcad: just digging around for a convenient way to run the OIS input state update about every frame until RBGui is dead. |
| 00:53.49 | brlcad | but in general, no api experts per se but certainly some knowledge |
| 00:54.12 | Ralith | Qt provides its own main loop so I can't just drop it in there as it's done currently |
| 01:02.31 | Ralith | inspiration! |
| 01:05.07 | brlcad | Ralith: yes, but you can create a QTimer that calls the OIS update |
| 01:05.36 | Ralith | yeah, I just realized that I can tack this on to the draw function for the root widget. |
| 01:05.38 | brlcad | can create QTimers for pretty much anything that you want to exec for each iteration of the main app llop |
| 01:06.00 | Ralith | which is appropriate 'cuz it needs access to ogre internals anyway |
| 01:06.11 | brlcad | you also can override the main Qt event loop altogether (i.e., not call exec()), but that's a lot more involved |
| 01:06.22 | Ralith | yeah, I imagined so |
| 01:10.09 | Ralith | argh. |
| 01:11.14 | starseeker | indianlarry: are the BANode and BVNode intersectedBy and intersectsHierarchy codes pretty much the same? |
| 01:11.45 | Ralith | fffff mocha >.< |
| 01:12.09 | Ralith | #ifndef MOCHA_TIMER_H \ #define MOCHA_TIMER_H \ ... \ #endif \ } |
| 01:12.12 | Ralith | facepalms |
| 01:12.58 | brlcad | ah, here it is .. something like: QTimer *input_timer = new QTimer(ois_handle); connect(input_timer, SIGNAL(timeout()), ois_handle, SLOT(update())); input_timer->start(0, TRUE); // execute ois->update() repeatedly |
| 01:13.22 | brlcad | what's the problem there? |
| 01:13.38 | Ralith | it closes a block started inside the #ifndef outside of it. |
| 01:13.43 | brlcad | ah |
| 01:13.44 | Ralith | trivial fix but geez. |
| 01:13.54 | Ralith | you'd think they'd never used their own lib |
| 01:14.03 | brlcad | heh, yeah kinda funny |
| 01:14.17 | indianlarry | starseeker: yes wasn't sure if we needed at the time |
| 01:14.48 | indianlarry | starseeker: not using for BANode |
| 01:14.57 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:15.10 | starseeker | ok, I didn't think you were doing an explicit ray intersection |
| 01:22.13 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34745 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/mocha/Include/Mocha/Timer.h: Fixed header guard misalignment |
| 01:27.09 | starseeker | indianlarry: I guess Ii'm being dense, but it looks like getClosestPointEstimate is always going to throw new exception once it hits a leaf node? |
| 01:29.16 | starseeker | Oh, I see - that's just for non leaf nodes in general... |
| 01:30.05 | starseeker | or rather, for BANode |
| 01:30.39 | starseeker | and it iterates down until it does find a leaf node... got it |
| 01:31.27 | Ralith | hm. |
| 01:31.32 | Ralith | mafm: this mean anything to you? |
| 01:32.15 | Ralith | http://codepad.org/CrBlBTsB |
| 01:32.18 | Ralith | goes to grab some food |
| 01:34.39 | mafm | Ralith: not really |
| 01:35.22 | mafm | but I don't know much about glsl and shaders |
| 01:35.36 | mafm | maybe it needs some special library as Cg? |
| 01:36.02 | Ralith | nah, it was working earlier |
| 01:36.05 | Ralith | it's something I changed |
| 01:36.07 | Ralith | I'll fiddle around after food. |
| 01:36.30 | Ralith | looks like I'm pretty close to the milestone, though. |
| 01:38.13 | mafm | goody |
| 01:38.25 | starseeker | has OGRE compiled now :-) |
| 01:38.52 | mafm | you're still using cmake? |
| 01:39.09 | mafm | maybe it's something that you changed there? |
| 01:41.06 | mafm | anyway, I g2g now |
| 01:41.10 | mafm | good night |
| 01:41.17 | brlcad | cya mafm |
| 01:56.58 | starseeker | heads out |
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| 02:12.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34746 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/: careful with large commits, don't ignore directories (blt) |
| 02:12.32 | Ralith | brlcad: should I be avoiding committing code that doesn't currently work? |
| 02:17.54 | brlcad | Ralith: you should commit it, but you shouldn't enable it for compilation |
| 02:18.23 | brlcad | #ifdef work_in_progress or leave the file out of the compile, etc |
| 02:18.42 | Ralith | wups, went about this kinda wrong then. |
| 02:18.43 | brlcad | even if it means a bit of temp minor scaffolding |
| 02:19.34 | brlcad | the eventual goal is towards restructuring the way you approach a problem so that you work on things in tiny incremental pieces |
| 02:19.54 | Ralith | nods |
| 02:20.05 | brlcad | so the code is always "complete", functional even if you absolutely know it's not how it'll need to be later |
| 02:21.47 | Ralith | hm, damn, the ogre-in-Qt's-GL thing didn't Just Work. |
| 02:22.37 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:23.09 | Ralith | ooooh I missed a step |
| 02:23.20 | Ralith | ...wait, no I didn't |
| 02:23.27 | Ralith | at least, not according to the wiki page. |
| 02:38.45 | Ralith | uses break in gdb for the first time, and loves it. |
| 02:39.13 | Ralith | interesting... the problem doesn't appear to be in Ogre at all, but in RBGui. |
| 02:42.28 | Ralith | I don't suppose anybody has an ogre.log lying around from a successful run of old g3d? |
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| 02:53.49 | Ralith | ahah. |
| 02:53.53 | Ralith | _renderWindow->getCustomAttribute("WINDOW", &data); |
| 02:54.53 | Ralith | yyyup, that's null. |
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| 04:21.18 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34747 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Moved RBGui and OIS setup into OgreGLWidget until they can be fully purged. |
| 04:22.55 | Ralith | damn, doesn't look like I'll be able to get this entirely working tonight. |
| 04:22.59 | Ralith | Very, very close, though. |
| 04:24.42 | Ralith | brlcad: I'm going to be mostly away from an internet connection tomorrow and a large chunk of friday, but I will have the laptop with me and be continuing work. Not sure how I'll keep the SVN commits small under such circumstances, though, short of lots of manual diffing. |
| 04:34.23 | brlcad | okay, don't worry about the diffs, but do keep a log of all your changes for the eventual commit message(s) .. try to sync when you can and/or when you do get access, you can commit some parts piecewise for any changes that aren't intertwined |
| 04:34.38 | brlcad | still update the wiki log for each day |
| 04:35.19 | Ralith | yup |
| 04:35.24 | Ralith | ooh :D |
| 04:35.49 | Ralith | I think the messages I thought were fatal errors were actually harmless warnings, meaning that the only visible issue is a missing material file! |
| 04:39.20 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03pacman87 * r34748 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/revolve/revolve.c: started converting my math calculations into code to support the carc segments in revolved sketches |
| 04:41.33 | Ralith | argh, that one died and took my WM with it. |
| 04:45.36 | Ralith | okay, something is wrong with the loading of the RBGui shaders. |
| 05:12.28 | louipc | Ralith: git ftw :P |
| 05:14.18 | Ralith | louipc: yeah, I like distributed vc too, but svn's what we've got here. |
| 05:15.08 | louipc | you can use git-svn. I haven't really tested it out though |
| 05:17.15 | Ralith | yeah, I'd rather just focus on the task at hand. |
| 05:18.07 | louipc | ah right you have deadlines |
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| 05:23.06 | Ralith | ...hmm, I wonder if that error is actually related... |
| 05:25.39 | Ralith | builds latest ogre to find out |
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| 09:02.06 | madant_ | brlcad: similar to blt i think i had ignored src/mk as well |
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| 11:05.43 | brlcad | madant_: then you should unignore those :) |
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| 11:26.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34750 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (. proc-db/): unignore src/mk , ignore brepintersect |
| 11:27.12 | brlcad | brepintersect is a product no? |
| 11:28.10 | brlcad | it's okay to ignore products, things normally generated during a build |
| 11:28.48 | brlcad | the only ones that shouldn't be ignored are special build products like the plethora of testing files generated during "make test" |
| 11:31.23 | madant_ | k.. i didn't understand the mk directory though |
| 11:32.17 | brlcad | it's a stale directory -- exactly why it shouldn't be ignored, it lets you know that it was removed and you have files in there that should be deleted |
| 11:32.20 | madant | i mean it is generated during the build process ? |
| 11:32.28 | brlcad | no |
| 11:32.37 | brlcad | no dirs are created during build |
| 11:32.44 | madant | k |
| 11:33.07 | brlcad | it used to be a dir with source files, part of the build |
| 11:33.11 | brlcad | in svn |
| 11:33.26 | brlcad | when the directory was removed, svn goes to remove your local copy |
| 11:33.31 | brlcad | but you had extra files in there |
| 11:34.04 | madant | ah.. ok.. got it now.. still 18 ? in my svn status .. mainly those m4s i were referring to yesterday.. starseeker has them too i think ? |
| 11:34.07 | brlcad | namely, old build files (hence the Makefile Makefile.in and .o files but no Makefile.am or *.c files) .. |
| 11:34.29 | brlcad | it removed the svn entities but couldn't remove the dir because you had unknown files in there |
| 11:34.55 | brlcad | it's not going to just delete your files that it's not managing -- those could be source files or something important |
| 11:39.12 | madant | brlcad: also in src/other/step/src/express these three files are created every build expscan.c expparse.c expparse.h |
| 11:39.46 | brlcad | yeah, I've seen those |
| 11:40.02 | brlcad | I'd left them simply because they're actually generated source, but could go either way |
| 11:40.59 | madant | and the scl_config.h.in, scl_config.h and stamp-h1 in step/include ? |
| 11:41.20 | madant | step building seems complicated to my sorry ass :P |
| 11:41.42 | brlcad | it is complicated, it's an exceptionally complicated file format :) |
| 11:42.08 | brlcad | (bar none, the most complex) |
| 11:43.32 | brlcad | you could ignore those three -- they are the equivalent to our include/brlcad_config.h.in include/brlcad_config.h and include/stamp-h1 |
| 11:43.39 | brlcad | byproducts from configure |
| 11:44.07 | brlcad | svn propget svn:ignore include/. |
| 11:48.13 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34751 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/include/: ignoring configure byproducts in src/include |
| 11:48.30 | madant | that's it.. only m4 scripts and the generated files now.. onto some real work now :P |
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| 20:31.47 | elena | hi starseeker. are you around? |
| 20:31.47 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34763 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/filefield/filefield.module: Implemented Ajax autocomplete for local files (includes filename, size and created time). |
| 20:31.53 | starseeker | howdy |
| 20:31.55 | starseeker | what's up? |
| 20:32.30 | elena | i just wanted to let you know next week i'll go to another time to meet my PhD advisor. |
| 20:32.54 | elena | I plan to catch up for the lost days this saturday and following weekends. |
| 20:32.56 | starseeker | time zone you mean? |
| 20:33.06 | starseeker | ok |
| 20:33.12 | elena | sorry. time => town. |
| 20:33.15 | starseeker | ah |
| 20:33.16 | elena | a bit tired :) |
| 20:33.25 | starseeker | np - good to see the commits :-) |
| 20:33.34 | elena | it would be cool to go to another time, too :D |
| 20:34.00 | elena | yes. it's starting to shape up so i started to put it live, too. |
| 20:34.24 | elena | i almost finished to implement local repository for files. |
| 20:35.10 | elena | so model files could be uploaded (normal and ajax style) or they could be send by ftp/scp and just selected when submitting the model info. |
| 20:35.22 | elena | works really nice :) |
| 20:35.28 | elena | says proudly |
| 20:35.36 | starseeker | excellent :-) |
| 20:35.54 | elena | i'll go update the wiki now |
| 20:36.00 | starseeker | nods |
| 20:36.10 | elena | and do some more work after that. |
| 20:36.26 | elena | i'll start uploading the db soon. |
| 20:36.34 | starseeker | sounds good |
| 20:36.44 | elena | i'll try to upload it so i don't have to redo all the settings again. |
| 20:36.50 | elena | i hope it works, |
| 20:37.34 | elena | how are you? |
| 20:38.43 | starseeker | doing ok - busy |
| 20:38.55 | elena | ok. then i won't keep you. |
| 20:39.04 | elena | have a wonderful day. |
| 20:39.05 | starseeker | nice work elena :-) |
| 20:39.12 | elena | thank you. |
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| 21:18.28 | starseeker | blinks |
| 21:19.48 | starseeker | indianlarry: time without any bbox growth on shape1.s - 10.1s - time with 3D bbox growth - 14.1s |
| 21:20.45 | ``Erik | correctness, though? |
| 21:20.55 | starseeker | no errors |
| 21:20.56 | ``Erik | a fast wrong result is still wrong |
| 21:21.09 | starseeker | in the latter case |
| 21:21.16 | starseeker | sure, no bbox growth results in errors |
| 21:21.30 | starseeker | but when the boxes were being expanded in uv space, the time was more like 23 sec |
| 21:22.16 | ``Erik | not my scene, just want ya'll asking the right questios |
| 21:22.32 | starseeker | sure, we know we need it correct first |
| 21:22.55 | ``Erik | busted wrist -- |
| 21:23.17 | starseeker | actually broken? owww |
| 21:23.48 | ``Erik | yup |
| 21:23.49 | starseeker | that sucks - sorry to hear that :-( |
| 21:25.05 | ``Erik | took a chip odd the ukna |
| 21:25.10 | ``Erik | ulna |
| 21:28.30 | starseeker | winces |
| 21:28.36 | starseeker | how long to fix it? |
| 21:28.57 | ``Erik | d'no, been doing phoe tag, ain't got a doc yet |
| 21:29.33 | ``Erik | broke it monday, er tuestday, still in the fuzz ... |
| 21:57.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 0388.106.219.75 07http://brlcad.org * r1492 10/wiki/Compiling: /* History */ |
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| 22:38.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r34765 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/brepintersect.cpp: fixed several bugs in SegmentTriangleIntersect. Function now works with all degenerate cases. |
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| 05:56.29 | madant_ | ``Erik: how's the wrist ? |
| 05:57.06 | madant | had an ulnal fracture a couple of years ago -- stupid train accident :P |
| 05:57.24 | madant | though much more towards the elbow |
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| 08:28.03 | ralith_ | brlcad: just checking in--didn't get as much work done as I'd hoped; I discovered that is unexpectedly painful to update a FreeBSD system sufficiently to match my work on my main desktop on short notice, and only just got OGRE installed. :/ |
| 08:29.05 | ralith_ | there was some weird problem with Mesa 7.4 not finding xcb that refused to go away via ports but never manifested when I finally tried to build it manually. |
| 08:29.34 | ralith_ | that and buildtimes. My decision to move to a binary-based OS is reaffirmed -_- |
| 08:30.15 | ralith_ | anyway, at least all this fiddling around on FreeBSD improved the buildscripts a bit. Perhaps I should flesh those out to cover all BRL-CAD's libs at some point. |
| 08:32.54 | ralith_ | No smart guesses on windows yet other than checking the environment for BRLCAD_ROOT, so if somebody wants to add those (should be easy enough to copy how it's done in the UNIX section) or let me know what are/where to find the default install location(s) on windows next time I'm on that'd be great. |
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| 18:03.10 | jdoliner | anyone want to help me understand what an ON_Brep looks like? |
| 18:11.07 | starseeker | jdoliner: what do you mean? the definition is in the opennurbs headers - probably opennurbs_brep.h? |
| 19:08.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34770 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp): true/false won't be enough for trimming - get set to return integers. |
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| 20:42.37 | starseeker | indianlarry: here are my thoughts on the fuzz issue we're seeing and how to approach it - fwiw: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/ambiguous_point_handling.txt |
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| 05:18.47 | Ralith | returns |
| 05:18.50 | Ralith | quiet day |
| 05:30.07 | Ralith | arghhh. |
| 05:33.30 | Ralith | brlcad: It looks like I may not be able to get the RBGui stuff running intermediarly, worryingly enough. The revision of ogre svn recent enough to have a working currentGLContext thingy appears to have changed enough to break RBGui. I can try to update RBGui, of course, but if the changes are anything but trivial, that seems like a questionably worthwhile persuit, considering its deprecated nature. |
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| 10:25.43 | brlcad | Ralith: okay, sounds reasonable |
| 10:26.35 | Ralith | kk, thanks |
| 10:26.36 | brlcad | there shouldn't really have been an interdependency there (as the rbgui folks did their own thing), but it's not important to sort out exactly what |
| 10:27.02 | Ralith | well, right now all I know is that librbgui.so is throwing unresolved symbols around. |
| 10:27.10 | Ralith | unresolved ogre symbols, that is |
| 10:28.12 | brlcad | sounds like something caused by our build of it |
| 10:28.22 | Ralith | hopefully I'll be able to get Qt-in-Ogre-in-Qt running tomorrow, then, assuming that currentGLContext works as advertised, which I have been advised it does. |
| 10:28.34 | Ralith | in svn, that is. |
| 10:29.12 | Ralith | as you may have noted in my log, stable is apparently broken there for the time being. |
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| 00:39.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34774 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Stripped references to RBGui from OgreGLWidget in light of the incompatibilities between recent Ogre SVN and the RBGui-Ogre interface. |
| 00:41.17 | Ralith | <3 shell |
| 00:41.22 | Ralith | grep -i rbgui * |grep cxx |cut -d ':' -f 1 |uniq |
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| 01:57.02 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34775 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Moved debug messages to Logger |
| 02:19.24 | Ralith | fixes ogre up to not prematurely kill Qt's context |
| 02:19.50 | Ralith | brlcad: since we need the dev version, and now a minor patch, shall I bring ogre back into rt^3/src/other? |
| 02:20.50 | brlcad | probably a good idea |
| 02:21.06 | Ralith | I'll throw the patch upstream, and it will probably get accepted, but at least in the meantime... |
| 02:21.07 | brlcad | it's nice for it to be as simple as possible for others to try things out |
| 02:21.13 | Ralith | yeah. |
| 02:21.23 | brlcad | even if it means more headaches for the active devs |
| 02:21.59 | brlcad | unless adding it in actually makes things worse because it's not integrated well or there's some build system problem or it has other bugs/issues etc :) |
| 02:22.05 | Ralith | okay, OgreGLContext starts up and shuts down fine within a Qt app. Now I need to get something rendered to see if it's actually doing anything. |
| 02:25.37 | brlcad | awesome! |
| 02:25.44 | brlcad | pics when you do! :) |
| 02:25.54 | Ralith | 'kay |
| 02:26.25 | Ralith | hm |
| 02:26.33 | Ralith | can you recommend a good, feature-complete but lightweight browser? |
| 02:26.44 | Ralith | I need something to use when I have firefox closed for memory reasons |
| 02:26.56 | Ralith | currently I'm making do with dillo, but that can't log in to sf.net 'cuz no https or cookies. |
| 02:33.35 | Ralith | hm, arora looks shinyful. |
| 02:38.23 | brlcad | not really, not something I've had to work with lately |
| 02:44.04 | Ralith | arora does the job nicely. |
| 02:44.13 | Ralith | okay, patch submitted upstream. |
| 02:53.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34776 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Simplified destructor |
| 03:23.56 | starseeker | hasn't heard of arora |
| 03:24.08 | starseeker | hmm, does look interesting... |
| 03:24.59 | starseeker | Ralith: in a worst case scenario might check out elinks, links and links2 |
| 03:25.58 | Ralith | starseeker: I guess those do do https+cookies iirc, but that's pretty worst case. |
| 03:26.04 | Ralith | arora does the trick nicely, thankfully. |
| 03:27.27 | Ralith | grargh! |
| 03:27.40 | Ralith | % svn ci ogre |
| 03:27.43 | Ralith | ...time passes... |
| 03:27.46 | Ralith | ...more time passes... |
| 03:27.50 | Ralith | ......... |
| 03:27.59 | Ralith | svn: PUT of '/svnroot/brlcad/!svn/wrk/adfd0d86-e975-4225-90e5-9fe45f183f57/rt%5E3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/Media/packs/OgreCore.zip': could not connect to server (https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net |
| 03:28.06 | starseeker | may have seen a tornadic rotation today in Bel Air |
| 03:28.52 | Ralith | tries again |
| 03:31.22 | starseeker | Ralith: if you're uploading ogre to svn, that'll be a process |
| 03:31.29 | Ralith | a process? |
| 03:31.42 | starseeker | I recommend doing it a few directories at a time |
| 03:32.05 | starseeker | smaller "bites" seem to work better with the sf servers, in my experience |
| 03:32.23 | Ralith | okay, let's try that. |
| 03:32.40 | starseeker | flashes back to getting the docbook support files in there... |
| 03:36.22 | Ralith | gah |
| 03:36.29 | Ralith | how do I set a global default svn:mime-type :| |
| 03:39.24 | Ralith | FFFF |
| 03:43.48 | Ralith | okay, finally, one down. |
| 03:43.52 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34777 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/ (28 files in 15 dirs): |
| 03:43.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Commit |
| 03:43.57 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 1 of ? |
| 03:45.55 | Ralith | starseeker: now I'm consistently getting 'connection reset by peer' trying to commit a reasonably-sized directory. |
| 03:46.05 | Ralith | svn: PUT of '/svnroot/brlcad/!svn/wrk/c15f0990-e0bc-4000-8927-761347c0a79c/rt%5E3/trunk/src/other/ogre/CMake/Packages/FindDirectX.cmake': SSL negotiation failed: Connection reset by peer (https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net) |
| 03:46.26 | Ralith | not always quite the same file |
| 03:48.39 | Ralith | autoprops is broken >.< |
| 03:51.37 | starseeker | Ralith: here's brlcad's mime-types wiki article if it helps: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Mime-types |
| 03:52.02 | Ralith | ah, that looks helpful. |
| 03:55.17 | Ralith | gaaah. |
| 03:55.26 | Ralith | now svn's somehow screwed up my term. |
| 03:56.13 | Ralith | I really really hate svn sometimes :| |
| 03:56.24 | Ralith | grabs some food while he re-exports ogre |
| 03:57.57 | Ralith | wtf. |
| 03:58.14 | Ralith | ralith@monolith:~/dev/brlcad/rt^3/src/other% svn add ogre |
| 03:58.17 | Ralith | svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) |
| 03:58.20 | Ralith | ralith@monolith:~/dev/brlcad/rt^3/src/other% svn cleanup |
| 03:58.22 | Ralith | svn: 'ogre' is not a working copy directory |
| 03:58.28 | Ralith | ralith@monolith:~/dev/brlcad/rt^3/src/other% svn add ogre |
| 03:58.30 | Ralith | svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) |
| 03:58.56 | Ralith | okay, that was easier than I expected to clear up. |
| 03:59.59 | Ralith | what the hell |
| 04:00.06 | Ralith | am I going to have to check out rt^3 from scratch or something |
| 04:00.17 | Ralith | why is it so hard to delete something you added :| |
| 04:00.30 | starseeker | can you revert the directory in question? |
| 04:00.47 | Ralith | ralith@monolith:~/dev/brlcad/rt^3/src/other% svn revert ogre |
| 04:00.48 | Ralith | ralith@monolith:~/dev/brlcad/rt^3/src/other% svn add ogre |
| 04:00.48 | Ralith | svn: warning: 'ogre' is already under version control |
| 04:01.18 | starseeker | you'll have to individually add subdirectories |
| 04:01.24 | starseeker | svn add ogre/foodir |
| 04:02.05 | Ralith | okay, wait, finally got it. |
| 04:02.29 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34778 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/: Undo previous add |
| 04:07.59 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34779 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/ (28 files in 15 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 04:08.17 | Ralith | makes a script do all the work |
| 04:08.18 | Ralith | :D |
| 04:08.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34780 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/ (38 files in 37 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 04:08.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34781 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/Dot3Bump/ (CMakeLists.txt scripts/ src/): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 04:08.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34782 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/Dot3Bump/src/Dot3Bump.cpp: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 04:08.47 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34783 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/DynTex/ (CMakeLists.txt include/ scripts/ src/): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 04:09.01 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34784 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/DynTex/src/DynTex.cpp: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 04:09.08 | Ralith | ...hmm, this is too spammy, isn't it |
| 04:09.09 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34785 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/Smoke/ (CMakeLists.txt include/ scripts/ src/): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 04:09.16 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34786 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/Smoke/include/Smoke.h: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 04:09.20 | Ralith | my bad. |
| 04:10.02 | starseeker | I'd suggest not doing it file by file ;-) |
| 04:10.08 | Ralith | it was directory-by-directory |
| 04:10.11 | Ralith | but that's still quite a lot. |
| 04:10.33 | starseeker | limit depth to (say) 2? |
| 04:11.23 | Ralith | I'm not sure svn can do that, nor how to structure a find(1) query to get the proper dirs. |
| 04:11.32 | Ralith | grah, now i can't get autoprops to rerun again. |
| 04:11.39 | Ralith | this is incredibly painful. |
| 04:12.23 | Ralith | I'm going to go eat and try again after. |
| 04:27.10 | Ralith | okay, idea |
| 04:27.19 | Ralith | no wait, that will probably just make it harder. |
| 04:32.13 | Ralith | wonders how mafm managed to do this originally |
| 04:34.33 | Ralith | why can't svn just prompt for a default property setting ;_; |
| 04:34.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34787 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/CMake/ (48 files in 4 dirs): |
| 04:34.57 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. |
| 04:35.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Partial commit. |
| 04:35.59 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34788 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Components/ (59 files in 10 dirs): |
| 04:36.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. |
| 04:36.03 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Partial commit. |
| 04:37.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34789 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Dependencies/OgreInstallDependencies.cmake: |
| 04:37.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. |
| 04:37.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Partial commit. |
| 04:44.12 | Ralith | why is zsh echoing input and beeping instead of running my script :| |
| 04:48.02 | Ralith | wtf! |
| 04:48.06 | Ralith | svn: warning: 'Docs' is not under version control |
| 04:48.14 | Ralith | svn: warning: 'ogre/Docs' is already under version control |
| 04:48.53 | Ralith | ooh. |
| 05:03.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34790 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Docs/ (205 files in 15 dirs): |
| 05:03.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. |
| 05:03.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Partial commit. |
| 05:11.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34791 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Mac/ (42 files in 21 dirs): |
| 05:11.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. |
| 05:11.08 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Partial commit. |
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| 06:00.47 | Ralith | ugh |
| 06:01.04 | Ralith | the sf svn servers are unreliable :| |
| 06:17.22 | louipc | :O |
| 06:37.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1499 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Log for 2009-06-20 |
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| 07:54.30 | madant | has reached his univ and room which is going to be his abode for 2 years |
| 07:55.22 | madant | hates it when there is no decent access to at least a socks proxy even if not a completely open network |
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| 08:27.39 | madant | sheesh. fried my brains for an hour trying to figure out a build error only to realize constraint was spelled constriant somewhere :( |
| 08:27.48 | madant | howdy jdoliner |
| 08:29.29 | jdoliner | hi |
| 08:29.35 | jdoliner | you're up awfully late |
| 08:29.52 | jdoliner | but maybe you'd like to give me your opinion on something |
| 08:29.55 | jdoliner | ? |
| 08:32.02 | madant | er. my opinions are not very valuable. but sure :) |
| 08:32.34 | madant | and it is 14:03 here. though i haven't slept since yesterday . |
| 08:32.45 | jdoliner | I see |
| 08:33.01 | jdoliner | I was accidentally correct |
| 08:33.15 | jdoliner | so suppose I have two meshes and I want to find their intersection |
| 08:33.38 | jdoliner | and so basically I find the curve they intersect in |
| 08:33.47 | jdoliner | by just intersecting them triangle by triangle |
| 08:33.53 | jdoliner | which is all well and good |
| 08:34.04 | jdoliner | until two triangle intersect in something that isn't a line |
| 08:35.09 | jdoliner | then what do I do... |
| 08:35.20 | jdoliner | oh actually you answered my question |
| 08:35.56 | madant | er.. huh :P |
| 08:36.13 | jdoliner | yeah I think I see the answer |
| 08:36.54 | madant | good :) |
| 08:37.47 | jdoliner | the magic of teamwork |
| 08:38.42 | madant | where are you right now ? |
| 08:39.55 | jdoliner | chicago |
| 08:40.19 | jdoliner | you must be pretty close to the opposite side of the world from me |
| 08:40.56 | madant | pretty much . heh 3:40 there .. as brlcad says good.. a little bit of us dies everytime we sleep |
| 08:41.01 | madant | ~sleep |
| 08:41.01 | ibot | methinks sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 08:45.39 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34792 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/cc.c: adding code to cc command, adds dummy rt_constraint object to the database |
| 08:47.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Homovulgaris 07http://brlcad.org * r1500 10/wiki/User:Homovulgaris: /* GSoC 2009 Log */ 19th June update |
| 08:53.03 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34793 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/Doxyfile: Doxyfile update |
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| 13:28.47 | madant1 | brlcad: in rt_constraint_internal struct i should use bu_vls for storing the constraint expression , right ? |
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| 15:44.51 | madant1 | needs more caffeine it seems |
| 16:43.47 | brlcad | should usually use vls in structs in leu of char*'s for strings |
| 16:45.53 | madant1 | brlcad: also, should rt_constraint_ifree function free up that vls ? |
| 16:47.32 | brlcad | yes, usually |
| 16:49.09 | madant1 | ok |
| 16:52.38 | madant1 | brlcad: right now i am just trying out writing an expression as a string and storing it in the database, but it should be encoded right ? |
| 16:52.54 | madant1 | which functions do i use for encoding the string ? or do i need to write one ? |
| 17:06.13 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34794 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): adding (bu_vls) expression variable to rt_constraint_internal, testing writing hardcoded data to db using GED_DB_PUT |
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| 20:18.52 | Ralith | grr. |
| 20:18.54 | Ralith | I keep getting: |
| 20:18.58 | Ralith | svn: PROPPATCH of '/svnroot/brlcad/!svn/wrk/f5f0c204-0510-4163-b487-ad75f0469a44/rt%5E3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/include/OgreRenderQueueSortingGrouping.h': SSL negotiation failed: Connection reset by peer (https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net) |
| 20:19.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34795 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/CMakeLists.txt: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 20:19.58 | Ralith | wtf? |
| 20:20.13 | Ralith | that didn't go through on my end O.o |
| 20:20.30 | Ralith | EG ogre/OgreMain/CMakeLists.txt |
| 20:20.37 | Ralith | wonder what that stands for. |
| 20:22.21 | Ralith | graah! |
| 20:22.24 | Ralith | I can't commit anything! |
| 20:30.59 | Ralith | christ, how did mafm pull this off originally :| |
| 20:31.49 | Ralith | my aplogies in advance for the upcoming spam, but there doesn't seem to be any other way to make commits work. |
| 20:33.11 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34796 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/ (include/ obj/ scripts/ src/): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 20:33.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34797 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/include/GLX/ (. OgreConfigDialogImp.h OgreErrorDialogImp.h OgreTimerImp.h): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 20:33.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34798 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/include/OSX/ (. OgreConfigDialogImp.h OgreErrorDialogImp.h OgreTimerImp.h): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 20:37.39 | Ralith | okay, even just ogre/OgreMain/include/*.h is too big to commit cleanly. |
| 20:37.39 | Ralith | jesus. |
| 20:38.07 | Ralith | anyone have any suggestions, short of committing progressively smaller sub-blocks until it works? |
| 20:47.10 | Ralith | YES! :D |
| 20:47.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34799 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/include/ (242 files in 4 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 20:47.57 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34800 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/include/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 20:52.41 | louipc | Ralith: ah how come you have to commit them bits at a time? bad connection? |
| 20:52.56 | Ralith | louipc: my connection is fine, the sourceforge servers aren't. |
| 20:54.31 | Ralith | the size of a commit that they accept seems to be completely random |
| 20:54.45 | Ralith | and generally very small |
| 20:54.53 | louipc | hmm |
| 20:56.32 | Ralith | gives up and breaks it into small blocks, only to have sourceforge reject a single file commit |
| 20:58.09 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34801 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/src/ (32 files): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 20:59.15 | louipc | maybe it's just a temporary problem they're having right now. You could ask for tech support I guess heh |
| 20:59.26 | Ralith | it's been like this since yesterday |
| 20:59.32 | Ralith | commits D through P |
| 20:59.46 | Ralith | and starseeker mentioned he'd had similar issues, iirc |
| 21:01.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34802 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/src/ (89 files): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:01.22 | Ralith | now Q through Z. |
| 21:04.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34803 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/src/ (70 files): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:04.38 | Ralith | now for whatever's left. |
| 21:05.48 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34804 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/src/ (32 files in 7 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:06.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34805 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/obj/ (Debug/ Debug/.keepme Release/ Release/.keepme): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:06.46 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34806 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/OgreMain/scripts/ (OgreMain.cbp OgreMain_linux.cbp OgreMain_stlp.cbp): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:08.47 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34807 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Other/ (VC7_AppWizard.msi add_crlf.py rem_endspc.py tab2spc.py): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:18.14 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34808 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/PlugIns/ (228 files in 34 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:25.33 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34809 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/RenderSystems/CMakeLists.txt: Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:28.48 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34810 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/RenderSystems/Direct3D10/ (63 files in 4 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:29.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34811 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/RenderSystems/Direct3D9/ (59 files in 4 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:41.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34812 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/RenderSystems/GL/ (203 files in 21 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:43.39 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34813 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/RenderSystems/GLES/ (82 files in 12 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:46.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34814 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/SDK/ (42 files in 4 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 21:46.56 | Ralith | relaxes. |
| 21:53.53 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 21:58.27 | Ralith | ``Erik: I've discovered that the probability of a commit going through is something like inversely proportional to the square of its size. |
| 21:58.55 | louipc | does it mean I can unignore cia? |
| 21:58.58 | louipc | :D |
| 21:59.01 | Ralith | hehe |
| 21:59.02 | Ralith | not quite yet |
| 21:59.15 | Ralith | I was just relaxing because it was going smoothly for a little while. |
| 21:59.18 | louipc | hehe ok |
| 21:59.20 | louipc | nice |
| 21:59.32 | Ralith | Samples seems to be going badly though, and if I can't get it to go in all at once there'll probably be some more serious spam |
| 22:00.27 | brlcad | commit spam is good |
| 22:01.11 | Ralith | brlcad: not if it's all basically one commit. |
| 22:01.27 | brlcad | Ralith: more than likely it's some intermediate router on your end resetting the connection |
| 22:01.47 | Ralith | probably, but it's nothing local enough for me to be able to address it. |
| 22:01.54 | brlcad | have similar issues from the arl network but not outside (ever to date) |
| 22:02.28 | Ralith | the real issue I guess is just how much of my time this single simple thing is taking. |
| 22:02.46 | Ralith | tries sending in samples A through K |
| 22:03.01 | Ralith | (zsh's regex wildcards are great for this) |
| 22:04.21 | brlcad | true, what's the error when it fails? |
| 22:04.44 | brlcad | svn: Commit failed (details follow): |
| 22:04.47 | brlcad | svn: PROPFIND of '...' ? |
| 22:04.55 | brlcad | could not connect to server |
| 22:05.03 | Ralith | no, it's connection reset by peer |
| 22:05.09 | Ralith | and the command (PROPFIND or w/e) varies |
| 22:06.56 | Ralith | I'll paste an example next time it happens |
| 22:07.48 | brlcad | yeah, that sounds like the same problem -- a router requests a reset, which confuses svn (even though is valid tcp behavior) |
| 22:07.54 | brlcad | what version of svn are you using? |
| 22:08.12 | brlcad | could try updating to a newer release |
| 22:10.22 | Ralith | 1.6.1 (r37116) |
| 22:10.44 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34815 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/ (213 files in 81 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 22:10.48 | Ralith | that was A-K. |
| 22:12.29 | brlcad | hm, that's pretty new .. what about openssl? |
| 22:14.35 | Ralith | 0.9.8k 25 Mar 2009 |
| 22:29.21 | Ralith | watches the k-z commit lengthen apprehensively. |
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| 01:59.10 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34816 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp): added trim distance return to isTrimmed() for determining when hit crack |
| 02:28.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34817 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/Media/ (428 files in 21 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 03:10.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34818 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/Lighting/ (21 files in 11 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 03:11.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34819 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/ (77 files in 37 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 03:14.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34820 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/ (95 files in 49 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 03:16.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34821 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Samples/ (86 files in 41 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 03:16.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34822 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Scripts/ (.keepme m4/ m4/cppunit.m4 m4/sdl.m4 null.sh remove_debug.sh): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 03:20.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34823 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ogre/Tests/ (97 files in 29 dirs): Added Ogre SVN (r8739, latest as of this commit) due to serious bugs in features needed by g3d in Ogre stable. Partial commit. |
| 03:58.51 | Ralith | wonders just how long a svn commit can take |
| 04:12.46 | Ralith | okay, it's locked up now. |
| 04:12.57 | louipc | wee! |
| 04:13.19 | Ralith | kill -9s and tries again |
| 04:13.34 | louipc | I feel your pain man |
| 04:14.23 | louipc | maybe I can help. let me know if there's anything |
| 04:14.50 | Ralith | thanks, I'll do that |
| 04:15.00 | Ralith | pretty sure it's just a matter of slogging through the heirarchy though. |
| 04:15.25 | Ralith | (and stomping the occasional bug) |
| 04:31.47 | Ralith | another lockup >:| |
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| 06:45.52 | stevegt_1 | wonders if there's any clean way to generate 2-D toolpaths to laser cut panels from a BRL-CAD model |
| 06:46.25 | stevegt_1 | wonders if anyone else is awake right now |
| 06:46.46 | stevegt_1 | probably have to poke in here tomorrow and ask again |
| 06:47.52 | Ralith | I'm here |
| 06:47.56 | Ralith | it's theoretically possible |
| 06:48.02 | Ralith | jonored wrote the code to do most of the work |
| 06:48.17 | Ralith | but he hasn't been around for a while and never published it |
| 06:48.50 | Ralith | the raytracer gives you enough info to do it |
| 06:49.24 | stevegt_1 | I just spend the weekend digging through g-xxx.c et al -- looks doable, but I'd hate to make a fool of myself if it's already been done |
| 06:49.35 | Ralith | it hasn't. |
| 06:49.41 | Ralith | it's nontrivial though |
| 06:50.11 | Ralith | let us know if you get it working |
| 06:50.20 | Ralith | it'd be a very useful for lots of things |
| 06:50.29 | stevegt_1 | maybe i'm thinking of it all wrong -- I'm seeing it as a 2-D dxf generation problem... you think I need to be looking at the raytracing code instead? |
| 06:51.04 | Ralith | well if you want to just convert a sketch to a dxf that's not hard |
| 06:51.12 | Ralith | or at least I imagine it's not, I don't know the relevant code |
| 06:51.29 | Ralith | but going from a 3D model to 2D toolpaths is significantly more involved. |
| 06:53.30 | stevegt_1 | well, what i'd want to be able to do is put together a model, mark the material attributes for the parts that are going to be laser-cut, then, in something like 'g-epilog', filter out just those parts, and generate a dxf or epilog (PCL) file for each one |
| 06:54.22 | stevegt_1 | i'm not sure that would solve the general g-code generation problem, except for driving CNC routers and lasers |
| 06:55.06 | Ralith | that's most of it |
| 06:55.15 | Ralith | and once you've solved that, any further uses could easily build on your work |
| 06:55.26 | stevegt_1 | huh |
| 06:58.14 | stevegt_1 | do you know if there's already a piece of code buried somewhere in the tree that i could call or copy which would help me rotate a part so it's normal to a reference plane, then get the resulting 2-D vertices? I don't know if I'm making any sense or not... for instance, I started looking at the "flatten" stuff in the NMG libs, not even sure if that's related |
| 06:59.06 | stevegt_1 | s/rotate a part so it's normal/rotate a part so the largest face is normal/ |
| 06:59.09 | stevegt_1 | or something like that |
| 07:01.07 | stevegt_1 | i mean, if we first assume that the shape is cut from a flat panel (extruded from a sketch, probably, but not always), then that means that there will always be exactly two flat faces which are identical, and we can just pick one |
| 07:01.24 | Ralith | stevegt_1: ...BRL-CAD isn't mesh-based. |
| 07:01.25 | Ralith | it's CSG. |
| 07:01.36 | Ralith | there's no such thing as "the corresponding vertices" |
| 07:01.47 | stevegt_1 | right, which means i'm probably confusing myself by looking at the g-xxx code |
| 07:01.53 | Ralith | everything is in terms of volumes |
| 07:02.02 | Ralith | extracting 2d toolpaths is nontrivial. |
| 07:02.19 | stevegt_1 | which is why you're mentioning the raytracer? |
| 07:02.48 | Ralith | that's how you work with the evaluated form of a BRL-CAD model. |
| 07:02.54 | Ralith | through raytracing. |
| 07:06.32 | stevegt_1 | looking at how the g-xxx triangulation code does it's job |
| 07:06.32 | Ralith | you don't want to do tesselation. |
| 07:06.32 | Ralith | that's a waste of information |
| 07:06.32 | Ralith | considering that gcode can do true arcs |
| 07:06.55 | stevegt_1 | that's what i was afraid you'd say |
| 07:07.06 | stevegt_1 | or glad, actually |
| 07:07.15 | stevegt_1 | 'cause i was ignoring it so far ;-) |
| 07:07.21 | stevegt_1 | the tesellation code, i mean |
| 07:08.02 | stevegt_1 | was thinking i didn't need it, but now i'm wondering how it does its job -- going to look |
| 07:13.55 | stevegt_1 | suddenly recalls that it's g-xxx_facets which does tesselation, which he doesn't need, while g-xxx does not do tesselation anyway -- it just iterates through the results of rt_dirbuild |
| 07:14.31 | stevegt_1 | and printf's what it finds |
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| 07:21.59 | stevegt_1 | looking at g2asc as well now... i'm confused -- if I have the record in hand that i got from the db, then i have its parameters in record.s.s_values -- why do i need to raytrace? to account for booleans? |
| 07:22.13 | stevegt_1 | must be that |
| 07:25.04 | stevegt_1 | i'm going to take a guess and say that the reason why 2-D toolpath generation has been considered to be a hard problem is that it's been generally accepted that we needed to invoke the raytracer to execute boolean operations first |
| 07:25.38 | Ralith | it's not HARD |
| 07:25.41 | Ralith | just hasn't been done yet |
| 07:25.58 | Ralith | there's lots of other stuff to do. |
| 07:26.11 | stevegt_1 | okay, deferred ;-) |
| 07:27.24 | Ralith | and yeah, the only way to evaluate booleans is to raytrace |
| 07:27.41 | Ralith | only data you can get without raytracing is the primitives |
| 07:31.11 | stevegt_1 | i'm thinking of gershenfeld's cad.py -- he used python's numpy 3-D matrix operations to do the booleans in very little code; part of my brain must have been assuming i'd do that instead of calling the brl-cad raytracer |
| 07:31.20 | Ralith | ... |
| 07:31.58 | Ralith | the raytracer's ability to evaluate booleans is one of BRL-CAD's major high points |
| 07:32.00 | stevegt_1 | yeah, whacky -- i should look at the raytracer first |
| 07:32.08 | Ralith | you'd basically be using BRL-CAD for nothing but its fileformat |
| 07:32.19 | Ralith | doing booleans well is hard. |
| 07:32.28 | Ralith | the raytracer will give you just about perfect precision. |
| 07:32.32 | Ralith | and reliably, too. |
| 07:34.18 | stevegt_1 | Any suggestion where I should start to get my head around it? I've been going back and forth through the PDF tutorials, including the Application_Develeopment slideshow -- am I missing some swath of developer docs somewhere else? |
| 07:35.02 | Ralith | what kind of docs do you want |
| 07:36.13 | stevegt_1 | I probably don't know enough yet to ask. ;-) I'll have to go through that slideshow again. I was ignoring the raytracing before, was just llooking at the DB access bits. |
| 07:44.14 | stevegt_1 | hmm. src/rt/viewarea.c looks like a real good place to start as well |
| 07:45.43 | stevegt_1 | actually all the view*.c stuff |
| 07:48.50 | stevegt_1 | expects to sit down someplace quiet tomorrow and grok view*.c -- "only" 11,568 lines ;-) |
| 07:49.16 | stevegt_1 | Ralith: thank you, very much -- I think you got me on the right track |
| 07:49.20 | Ralith | cool |
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| 11:42.57 | Ralith | :D |
| 11:42.58 | Ralith | done! |
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| 13:36.28 | brlcad | Ralith: hehe, well congrats on that .. ouch |
| 13:36.57 | brlcad | next time you have something that big, maybe could tar it up for one of the other devs to commit :) |
| 13:37.24 | brlcad | couldn't hurt to put in an sf.net ticket if only to have them check it out too just to make sure it's not something on their end |
| 13:38.09 | brlcad | stevegt_1: there is an overview on the website that explains the rt view*.c interface |
| 13:39.19 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/w/images/3/3d/Application_Development.pdf (found under http://brlcad.org/wiki/Developing_applications ) |
| 13:39.48 | brlcad | stevegt_1: basically it amounts to about a half-dozen callbacks that you define and register |
| 13:40.45 | brlcad | ahh, reading more of the backlog, I see you found that pdf already |
| 13:42.38 | brlcad | so probably just asking questions in here is your best bet if you don't quickly make sense of the code -- each of those view*.c files is for a separate application like rt, rtarea, rtweight, rtcheck, etc .. |
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| 13:43.55 | brlcad | those half-dozen or so callbacks are all that is needed to define the entire application as the rt user interface is exactly the same across all of them for the front-end (argument processing, shooting a grid of primary rays, aggregating results, running in parallel, etc) |
| 13:56.28 | brlcad | case local folks don't see the e-mail or if others are close by and want to join up, we're looking to have dinner at Tidewater tonight in Havre de Grace, Maryland around 6pm |
| 13:56.48 | starseeker | ah, thanks :-) |
| 13:56.54 | brlcad | GMTA |
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| 15:37.55 | brlcad | woot! |
| 15:38.05 | brlcad | go go gadget tom |
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| 15:43.36 | jdoliner | hey guys can someone give me a hand with ON_SimpleArrays? |
| 15:44.00 | jdoliner | particularly for somereason when I try to use them I get compile errors that there's no match found for [] operators |
| 15:44.49 | jdoliner | ON_SimpleArray<ON_Line> segments; |
| 15:45.48 | jdoliner | and then |
| 15:45.48 | jdoliner | ON_Line segment = segments[j]; |
| 15:45.52 | jdoliner | creates an error |
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| 17:01.40 | brlcad | jdoliner: it returns a reference |
| 17:02.01 | brlcad | type have a type error |
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| 17:03.51 | jdoliner | so segments is of type ON_SimpleArray<ON_Line>&? |
| 17:04.04 | jdoliner | then how to I get at its contents? |
| 17:04.37 | brlcad | no, see the header, it returns a T& |
| 17:04.46 | brlcad | so needs to be an ON_Line& |
| 17:05.15 | brlcad | assuming the type problem isn't on the j |
| 17:05.16 | jdoliner | okay that makes sense then |
| 17:06.46 | jdoliner | k cool I get it now |
| 17:26.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r34843 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/brepintersect.cpp: Modified TriangleMeshIntersect to be MeshMeshIntersect, now just directly intersects two meshes and returns an array of Polylines for their intersection |
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| 17:50.00 | brlcad | wonders how much of the hackery that involved.. |
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| 19:45.15 | brlcad | jdoliner: curious what your current goal/milestone is |
| 19:46.00 | jdoliner | my current goal is to finish mesh on mesh intersections |
| 19:46.13 | brlcad | ON_Mesh objects are all polygonal, yes? |
| 19:46.18 | jdoliner | yes |
| 19:46.52 | brlcad | they are all untrimmed? |
| 19:47.08 | brlcad | or do they allow/require trimming evaluation? |
| 19:47.16 | jdoliner | I believe that they are untrimmed |
| 19:47.30 | jdoliner | at least nowhere in the definition do I say any mention of trimming |
| 19:47.38 | brlcad | okay cool -- there is a problem with one of your intersection routines if you allow trims |
| 19:48.34 | jdoliner | I see, actually I guess this is a good time for me to learn some things about trims |
| 19:48.50 | jdoliner | so meshes don't have trims which works well |
| 19:49.18 | jdoliner | so the way I see it, is that I do an intersection |
| 19:49.20 | brlcad | one thing that will be very interesting to test then once you have mesh on mesh intersections working is having an nmg->ON_Mesh conversion to perform the booleans using your routines instead of the (extensively complex) NMG library |
| 19:50.07 | jdoliner | yeah definitely |
| 19:50.26 | jdoliner | so then after the intersection I get back the polyline |
| 19:51.09 | jdoliner | and then I basically need to just make a new mesh where I trim off the parts outside of the polyline |
| 19:52.41 | jdoliner | but when I do stuff with nurbs, which support trimming curves I can just put them in as trimming curves |
| 19:52.57 | brlcad | right |
| 19:52.58 | jdoliner | and then my intersection algorithms need to take into account the trimming curves |
| 19:53.13 | brlcad | plus you'll have to deal with more generalized ON_Brep objects, not just ON_Mesh objects |
| 19:53.16 | brlcad | in order to get nurbs |
| 19:53.20 | jdoliner | yes |
| 19:53.36 | jdoliner | what does ON do with the trimming curves |
| 19:53.45 | jdoliner | are they just used in rendering |
| 19:54.06 | brlcad | a good test case might be to take the cube that is produced by breplicator or brep_test in src/proc-db, make a copy of it, translated slightly so it overlaps corners, then evaluate a boolean |
| 19:54.48 | brlcad | the trimming curves are part of the topological structure, they define the actual edge to a given surface |
| 19:54.49 | jdoliner | or is there some function which actually sort of freezes the nurbs in their trimmed form |
| 19:55.04 | brlcad | there is not (that I"m aware of) |
| 19:55.13 | jdoliner | k I'll poke around |
| 19:55.36 | brlcad | it would be useful to have a routine that took a given ON_Brep and evaluated all trims to give a resulting object that is trim-free |
| 19:55.44 | brlcad | or at least only outer trims |
| 19:56.24 | brlcad | so there is a 1-1 relationship with trims to edges, each edge corresponding to a curve you can test against |
| 19:56.59 | jdoliner | okay, that makes sense |
| 19:58.19 | brlcad | jdoliner: also, if you've not read it yet, this may be of some assistance organizationally |
| 19:58.23 | brlcad | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/doc/TODO.BREP |
| 19:58.40 | brlcad | has all of the various pairwise evaluation possibilities |
| 20:01.42 | jdoliner | I see, are all those things unimplemented? |
| 20:03.36 | brlcad | oh no, much is, much isn't .. some IS implemented (particularly for polygonal types), but for different (non-opennurbs) data types |
| 20:04.24 | brlcad | some is very robust to numerical issues, some isn't -- it's a very large body of code that gets involved when you start talking about existing brep work |
| 20:08.48 | brlcad | code of relevance is src/librt/primitives/nmg (extensive polygonal mesh CSG library, radial-edge data structure), src/librt/primitives/bspline (old nurbs implementation, lacking support for trimmed nurbs surfaces), src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp and src/librt/primitives/brep (active new nurbs development) |
| 20:09.37 | brlcad | suggest at least taking a look at the nmg routines as they strongly relate to what you're doing with ON_Mesh |
| 20:13.51 | jdoliner | yes will do immediately |
| 20:17.14 | brlcad | nmg_evaluate_boolean() is particularly relevant, starting in src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_eval.c |
| 20:18.38 | brlcad | as you are going to end up with some sort of similar routine hopefully to evaluate two ON_Brep objects |
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| 21:22.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: what I expected it to - it's not reporting close points at all and only |
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| 21:36.02 | starseeker | indianlarry: am I doing something wrong with printing out the hit info? |
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| 22:23.14 | Ralith | brlcad: thanksâhopefully it won't come up again. |
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| 03:47.09 | stevegt_1 | ~ralith |
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| 03:47.15 | Ralith | sup |
| 03:47.21 | stevegt_1 | whup -- hi |
| 03:48.37 | stevegt_1 | ralith: still looking through src/rt/* -- i'm trying to figure out how to get a vector toolpath during or after processing ray hits... |
| 03:49.12 | stevegt_1 | raster is obvious, vector has me stumped so far |
| 03:50.44 | Ralith | stevegt_1: what do you mean by raster and vector? |
| 03:50.55 | Ralith | those terms don't really apply. |
| 03:51.24 | stevegt_1 | raster == e.g. .bw, .pix, .jpg etc. |
| 03:51.31 | Ralith | those aren't toolpaths |
| 03:51.32 | Ralith | those are images |
| 03:52.04 | stevegt_1 | vector == primitive edges |
| 03:52.12 | Ralith | primitive edges? |
| 03:52.15 | Ralith | what do you mean by that? |
| 03:52.43 | stevegt_1 | hm |
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| 03:52.53 | louipc | laffs |
| 03:53.33 | stevegt_1 | vector as in svg, dxf |
| 03:53.52 | stevegt_1 | g-code, laser etc. need vectors |
| 03:56.08 | Ralith | stevegt_1: what do you mean by 'vectors'? |
| 03:56.31 | Ralith | rt will quite happily give you precise coordinates. |
| 03:57.13 | stevegt_1 | a vectorized shape description -- like a sketch |
| 03:57.40 | stevegt_1 | or an arb? |
| 03:57.47 | Ralith | that's a circular definition... |
| 03:58.00 | stevegt_1 | im trying here ;-) |
| 03:58.17 | stevegt_1 | okay, let's look at it this way: |
| 03:58.19 | Ralith | perhaps you mean you want to extract arcs? |
| 03:58.32 | stevegt_1 | ahh -- yes, arcs |
| 03:58.34 | Ralith | all g-code can represent is lines and arcs. |
| 03:58.38 | stevegt_1 | right |
| 03:59.09 | Ralith | that's nontrivial, because lines and arcs cannot exactly represent many possible region slices. |
| 04:00.19 | stevegt_1 | for a laser or CNC router, we need exactly one slice, aligned with the plane of the part we're cutting out |
| 04:00.30 | Ralith | you can use arcs to more closely approximate curves than you could with lines, but it's still an approximation unless you get lucky and the curve happens to be precisely circular. |
| 04:00.59 | Ralith | the level of the approximation is up to you. |
| 04:01.20 | Ralith | the raytracer provides sufficient information to perform this approximation; jonored implemented it, but I couldn't tell you how it's done. |
| 04:01.28 | stevegt_1 | some sort of successive approximation? |
| 04:01.42 | stevegt_1 | that's the only thing i've been able to think of so far |
| 04:03.19 | stevegt_1 | googles for clues about what jonored was doing |
| 04:04.54 | Ralith | ~seen jonored |
| 04:07.27 | ibot | jonored <n=jonored@dsl092-076-134.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 63d 8h 33m 20s ago, saying: '...er... wrong project. the brlcad database, not the reprap... wrong project I want to work on.'. |
| 04:07.50 | stevegt_1 | heh |
| 04:16.04 | Ralith | that took a while |
| 04:20.57 | stevegt_1 | i'm getting a creeping feeling that the most direct route to what i want might be to generate the shapes further upstream, probably in a python script, handle constraints etc there, then use brl-cad for rendering and interference checking, and finally generate the toolpath from the upstream output, rather than from brl-cad |
| 04:21.14 | stevegt_1 | which is probably what others are doing |
| 04:21.39 | stevegt_1 | darnit |
| 04:22.38 | stevegt_1 | the closest i'm seeing to what jonored was doing was his mention in the IRC channel of not being able to work on his 2009 gsoc proposal |
| 04:23.23 | stevegt_1 | those proposals aren't online anywhere? (just the ideas and the accepted ones? at least that's all i'm finding so far..) |
| 04:23.57 | Ralith | stevegt_1: I suspect you vastly underestimate the difficulty of evaluating CSG. |
| 04:24.34 | Ralith | reliably and precisely, anyway |
| 04:25.00 | stevegt_1 | not underestimating -- if i were to do things upstream, then i'd have to manually say "okay, a hole needs to go here so this other rod can pass through" |
| 04:25.08 | stevegt_1 | so not even trying to evaluate in that case ;-) |
| 04:25.24 | Ralith | I don't follow |
| 04:26.32 | stevegt_1 | like this: if all you've got is 2-d tools, qcad, autocad, whatever, then you have to manually do the booleans, calculate part fit, try to keep it all in your head |
| 04:26.55 | Ralith | afaik there are no 'others'; anybody currently generating toolpaths from brlcad models is almost certainly doing so with third party tools after exporting to another format (e.g. stl) |
| 04:29.42 | stevegt_1 | i figured that too -- but that loses info on the way through of course |
| 04:29.42 | Ralith | if all you've got is 2d tools, I don't think there's yet any way to get meaningful data from BRL-CAD to them anyway, short of writing your own tool. |
| 04:29.44 | stevegt_1 | other way around -- sketch in qcad, import into brl-cad, extrude, repeat |
| 04:29.45 | Ralith | that should be feasible; there appears to be a dxf importer. |
| 04:29.47 | stevegt_1 | then use rtcheck for interference checking to find out where you screwed up ;-) |
| 04:31.18 | Ralith | rtcheck? |
| 04:31.24 | stevegt_1 | the dxf importer seems to work -- the only thing i haven't been able to figure out os the right way to use 'extrude' -- it's not shown in the pdf tutorials, and the wiki seems to disagree with the code and/or usage statement |
| 04:31.30 | stevegt_1 | s/os/is/ |
| 04:31.42 | Ralith | someone in here probably knows |
| 04:31.44 | stevegt_1 | rtcheck -- checks for overlaps; it's great |
| 04:31.51 | Ralith | also check the reference card, and the built-in help |
| 04:31.59 | pacman87 | stevegt_1: do you already have the sketch? |
| 04:32.01 | Ralith | that's not what my manpage says... |
| 04:32.02 | pacman87 | for the extrude |
| 04:32.04 | Ralith | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.14 | stevegt_1 | pacman87!!! someone else is awake! |
| 04:32.30 | pacman87 | hi |
| 04:32.36 | pacman87 | reads the backlog |
| 04:33.08 | Ralith | perhaps it's used for something else in mged. |
| 04:33.35 | pacman87 | can you summarize what you're trying to do? |
| 04:33.52 | stevegt_1 | goes to see if he's completely confused about the name of that command |
| 04:34.12 | pacman87 | dxf -> sketch -> extrude? |
| 04:37.06 | stevegt_1 | is not crazy |
| 04:37.24 | stevegt_1 | unless i'm completely misinterpreting the results of mged's rtcheck |
| 04:37.31 | Ralith | shrugs |
| 04:37.32 | Ralith | I've never used it |
| 04:37.38 | stevegt_1 | pacman87: yes, dxf -> sketch -> extrude |
| 04:37.53 | pacman87 | and where does the problem start? |
| 04:38.08 | stevegt_1 | lemme go get an error message... |
| 04:38.16 | pacman87 | (and the command that caused it) |
| 04:43.30 | stevegt_1 | pacman87: i think i'm probably having basic usage confusion as much as anything else -- ' extrude sketch.1 5' errors out wanting the user to be in SOL EDIT state, but if I say 'sed sketch.1', it pops up the gui sketch editor... then if i say 'extrude sketch.1 5' again, it still says i'm in VIEWING state |
| 04:44.06 | stevegt_1 | i obviously haven't done enough of the tutorials, to begin with |
| 04:44.31 | pacman87 | oh, i'm using classic mode |
| 04:44.35 | stevegt_1 | ah |
| 04:44.47 | pacman87 | so i just do "in <name> extrude" |
| 04:44.51 | pacman87 | and it promps for the fields |
| 04:45.08 | stevegt_1 | lemme try that |
| 04:49.19 | pacman87 | the dxf-g converter used to double the line segments (one going each direction), but i think that's been fixed |
| 04:50.12 | stevegt_1 | notes that the 'extrude' command and the 'extrude' primitive are completely different |
| 04:50.17 | stevegt_1 | i think |
| 04:50.29 | pacman87 | i only know of the primitive |
| 04:50.31 | pacman87 | what's the command do? |
| 04:50.50 | stevegt_1 | the command just wants 2 args: 'extrude {face} {distance}' |
| 04:50.59 | stevegt_1 | much simpler ;-) |
| 04:51.02 | Ralith | yeah, that probably doesn't have anything to do with sketches. |
| 04:51.07 | stevegt_1 | if i could get it to work ;-) |
| 04:51.19 | Ralith | considering that sketches don't have faces. |
| 04:51.37 | pacman87 | what primitive results from the extrude command? |
| 04:53.13 | stevegt_1 | pacman87: the wiki says it 'modifies an ARB' -- ahh, yes, that won't work on sketches |
| 04:53.23 | stevegt_1 | i think |
| 04:53.56 | pacman87 | yeah, so it take the edge points from and ARB, and uses that as the base for (i'm guessing) another ARB |
| 04:54.04 | pacman87 | s/from and/from an/ |
| 04:54.39 | Ralith | stevegt_1: think about it; sketche don't have faces. |
| 04:54.44 | Ralith | sketches* |
| 04:56.01 | stevegt_1 | Ralith: i seem to remember seeing the code accepting a sketch as one of its args, but can't find it ATM... hang on, gotta put a 6-year-old to bed... |
| 05:01.04 | Ralith | brb |
| 05:05.14 | pacman87 | bedtime for me |
| 05:13.39 | Ralith | back |
| 05:31.32 | stevegt_1 | back -- nope, the mged extrude doesn't take sketches, wants an arb face -- don't know what code I was looking at the other day |
| 05:37.56 | Ralith | so see what you can do with in |
| 05:43.58 | stevegt_1 | yep |
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| 12:29.24 | louipc | hehe still on that train eh? |
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| 12:55.17 | _clock_ | starseeker: I can understand this rebuilding my gentoo sucked so much that I swapped to another distro |
| 13:06.41 | louipc | _clock_++ |
| 13:25.08 | starseeker | tried that |
| 13:25.14 | starseeker | sucked more than rebuilding |
| 13:37.48 | mafm_ | debian ftw! |
| 13:39.11 | louipc | starseeker: what distros? |
| 13:39.25 | louipc | not ubuntu! :D |
| 13:39.57 | starseeker | yeah, ubuntu |
| 13:40.19 | starseeker | has finely tweaked his desktop settings over the years, and ubuntu has its own ideas |
| 13:40.48 | louipc | yeah debian is probably better |
| 13:41.20 | louipc | I would plug arch linux though :P |
| 13:46.36 | brlcad | bsd ftw ;) |
| 14:02.08 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34849 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: (log message trimmed) |
| 14:02.10 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Made significant updates to the human.c file which will eventually be a complete human generator that |
| 14:02.13 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: uses CSG to model a human. |
| 14:02.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: human.c currently creates a 'stick' human to a desired height by use of command line parameters and also |
| 14:02.18 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: allows for the output of specifically named .g file when using the -o command on input. |
| 14:02.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Also included are most of the bounding blocked for each part of the generated body by using the -b command. |
| 14:02.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: So if you wanted to make a 'human' right now, the command would be... |
| 14:10.24 | louipc | crazy |
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| 15:34.23 | starseeker | brlcad: figuring out the bsd install would talk some time, and figuring out the new config file locations would take more :-P |
| 15:34.28 | starseeker | is getting old... |
| 15:39.14 | brlcad | 'scuses 'scuses |
| 15:40.38 | starseeker | was actually crazy enough to consider opensolaris for a second... |
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| 16:38.02 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added section that creates regions out of all the body parts and all the bounding boxes, aptly named |
| 16:38.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Body.r and Boxes.r |
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| 17:41.21 | brlcad | hello jdoliner, how goes the progress? make sense of nmg? |
| 17:54.29 | jdoliner | yeah I got the basic idea of nmg |
| 17:55.26 | jdoliner | I have a weird problem right now |
| 17:59.42 | jdoliner | so I've written a test for my meshmeshintersection algorithm |
| 18:00.12 | jdoliner | and it seems good |
| 18:01.18 | jdoliner | except when I call it. control goes into ON_Mesh::ON_Mesh function and after it completes that it just hangs |
| 18:01.37 | jdoliner | I feel like there's something I'm not getting here |
| 18:28.03 | stevegt_1 | ~seen Ralith |
| 18:28.08 | ibot | ralith is currently on #brlcad (1d 22h 35m 20s). Has said a total of 120 messages. Is idling for 12h 50m 13s, last said: 'so see what you can do with in'. |
| 18:36.57 | stevegt_1 | needs a sanity check before he dives into writing something called 'g-laser' |
| 18:37.31 | stevegt_1 | i think i have an algorithm that will work for generating laser toolpaths, but i'm new to brl-cad and might be missing something important |
| 18:41.49 | stevegt_1 | i'm thinking: since popular lasers (like the epilog) are 3dof machines, the beam will always be perpendicular to the part being cut |
| 18:42.35 | stevegt_1 | that greatly simplifies trying to figure out the profile of any edges created by booleans |
| 18:43.50 | stevegt_1 | since these lasers can only do vertical hole walls, that means the primitives intersecting the part must have 'top' faces which are also normal to the beam |
| 18:44.22 | stevegt_1 | which means we can derive a clean toolpath directly from that 'top' face of the intersecting primitive |
| 18:44.37 | stevegt_1 | without tesselation or other approximation |
| 18:49.53 | stevegt_1 | this means cones, toruses, spheres, etc. can't be used to make coles in laser-cut parts, nor can complicated arbs (e.g. mushroom-shaped -- can brl-cad even do those?), but imho that's a reasonable constraint |
| 18:50.05 | stevegt_1 | <crickets chirping> ;-) |
| 18:50.53 | stevegt_1 | i'll probably write this up on a web page somewhere and pop in here again later -- i gotta unplug for an hour or so pretty soon |
| 18:51.06 | jdoliner | hi I don't know enough about your project yet to really comment. But I am working on CSG algorithms which is maybe related |
| 18:51.15 | jdoliner | so maybe if you explain at a lower level I can help |
| 18:51.16 | stevegt_1 | hi jdoliner |
| 18:52.22 | stevegt_1 | goes to look at what jdoliner's working on |
| 18:54.31 | stevegt_1 | (still reading) |
| 18:57.03 | stevegt_1 | jdoliner: okay, done reading/skimming your proposal -- the output of the algorithm is a bezier curve? |
| 18:57.31 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 18:57.37 | jdoliner | basically |
| 18:57.45 | jdoliner | that bezier curve becomes a trimming curve |
| 18:58.09 | stevegt_1 | as in something that could be stated as a primitive in gcode or dxf? |
| 18:58.39 | stevegt_1 | (as opposed to tesselation) |
| 18:58.50 | jdoliner | yeah I believe so |
| 18:59.16 | jdoliner | it can be stated as an ON_NurbsSurface object |
| 18:59.16 | stevegt_1 | if that's true, then halleluyah, or somesuch |
| 18:59.37 | stevegt_1 | s/tesselation/tessellation/ ;-) |
| 19:01.46 | stevegt_1 | the need for that algorithm is where i was hung up on the toolpath-generation problem -- i could see that some thorny math would be required, but the closest i'd be able to get is by trying to duplicate what librt does in solving quadratics or something -- and i barely made it through Calc II, 25 years ago ;-) |
| 19:03.28 | stevegt_1 | something that algorithm will be needed to generate toolpaths for machines which have more that 3 axes -- i.e. if the machine can tilt the cutting tool, or otherwise do over/undercuts in holes and at the sides of a part |
| 19:03.37 | stevegt_1 | s/something/something like/ |
| 19:06.14 | stevegt_1 | anyway, i *think* i can cheat in the case of 3-axis machines like lasers, since they can only do vertical-walled cuts -- just constrain the intersecting primitives to have faces that are perpendicular to the part being cut |
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| 19:13.30 | stevegt_1 | jdoliner: i gotta go get lunch; i'll try to write this up and be back later |
| 19:14.06 | jdoliner | yeah, particularly if you get hung up on thorny math I can try to give you a hand with ti |
| 19:14.25 | jdoliner | it** |
| 19:14.31 | stevegt_1 | i'm pretty sure you could ;-) |
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| 21:19.39 | brlcad | jdoliner: hm, hard to say without walking the execution or knowing more info about the ON_Mesh::ON_Mesh problem -- have you tried stepping through with a debugger? |
| 21:20.47 | jdoliner | yeah gdb's really been the flavor of the afternoon :) |
| 21:20.56 | brlcad | stevegt_: mushroom-shaped arbs?? picture of one? |
| 21:21.08 | brlcad | jdoliner: heh, awesome |
| 21:21.23 | jdoliner | it was something weird with initializing ON_Meshes |
| 21:21.39 | jdoliner | but I switch the function to use pointers instead |
| 21:21.42 | jdoliner | and that cleared it up |
| 21:22.15 | jdoliner | which in all honesty probably makes more sense because I imagine meshes can get big |
| 21:25.32 | brlcad | they can get huge, Gigs |
| 21:27.54 | brlcad | stevegt_: sorry we keep failing to cross paths :) |
| 21:28.05 | stevegt_ | brlcad: right here ;-) |
| 21:28.23 | stevegt_ | other than the mushrooms, did the rest of what i was saying make sense? |
| 21:33.13 | stevegt_ | overall, what i'm trying to do is pick a cad package for designing and generating toolpaths for making low-end machines that have a laser-cut acrylic parts, and are otherwise built from bolt-together things off the shelf -- motors, lead screws, fasteners, etc |
| 21:33.16 | stevegt_ | like http://fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 21:33.39 | brlcad | Ralith: rtcheck's primary purpose is interference (aka overlap) detection with a side-effect of overlaying a plot of the overlaps if you run it in mged (yes the help line is misleading) |
| 21:34.09 | stevegt_ | brlcad: good, i wasn't insane that time ;-) |
| 21:36.04 | brlcad | stevegt_: docs are pretty thin on extrude, but it's really pretty simple to extrude a sketch -- run the 'in' command in mged and it'll interactively prompt you |
| 21:37.11 | brlcad | ah, and yes, there is an 'extrude' command which is different than creating an extrude primitive -- you don't want the extrude command, you want the 'in' command |
| 21:37.13 | stevegt_ | brlcad: so i gathered; i haven't figured out what some of the prompts are asking yet, but i'm sure that'll be obvious by the time i get used to the way brl-cad does things |
| 21:38.41 | stevegt_ | s/low-end machines that have a laser-cut acrylic parts/low-end machines that have a lot of laser-cut acrylic parts/ |
| 21:38.49 | brlcad | ah, all caught up with the log now :) |
| 21:39.03 | brlcad | yes, the rest you said made sense (i think!) :) |
| 21:40.12 | brlcad | basically it asks you what scaling factors do you want (you can skew/stretch the sketch before extruding it) and then the distance |
| 21:40.35 | brlcad | usually best to just use orthogonal unit vectors, 1 0 0 and 0 1 0 |
| 21:41.01 | brlcad | that aligns the sketch normalized to an x/y plane like one would usually expect be default |
| 21:42.11 | brlcad | that's a pretty cool machine, hmm.. :) |
| 21:42.13 | stevegt_ | anyway, i *think* i'm in a common use case for the newer crowd of maker community, arduino controllers, fabbers, people who might have access to a laser or CNC router, and are looking for something more capable than qcad for modelling the machines -- so something like 'g-laser' seems like a good idea, just trying to figure out how doable it is |
| 21:42.47 | stevegt_ | so 'in ... extrude' wants a sketch? lemme go try it again... |
| 21:42.53 | brlcad | g-gcode is something that's been on the "todo" for a while :) |
| 21:43.41 | brlcad | yeah, 'in' is the interactive input tool for creating primitives .. you can feed it the whole line or parts of a line and for any part remaining it'll prompt you |
| 21:44.46 | stevegt_ | yeah, i'm saying to myself "wow, brl-cad is great!!" and i'm going through the tutorials, and then it hits me -- right now, it seems to be optimized for importing and analyzing models, rather than making them -- unless you are using STL e.g. 3-d printing? |
| 21:45.14 | stevegt_ | s/making them/making things from them/ |
| 21:45.16 | brlcad | the real solution to what you want is very much related to jdoliner's project where you evaluate a given object (regardless of geometry format, csg or non-csg) to a spline-surface boundary representation that has no booleans, then project that to a given plane |
| 21:45.46 | brlcad | gives you a series of 2D spline curves and line segments that could them be turned into arcs and polylines or what have you |
| 21:45.46 | stevegt_ | i agree -- for generic gcode for a 3 or more axis mill, you need jdoliner's stuff |
| 21:47.23 | brlcad | what you intuited about brl-cad is quite true -- it's presently heavily geared around import and analysis requirements .. but also visualization and creation (but a very different approach than most commercial systems) |
| 21:48.00 | stevegt_ | the light bulb this morning was that, since a lot of these potential users (including me) are just using lasers, then i can just ensure via raytracing that hole walls are vertical, and then directly derive the dimensions of the hole by looking at the top face of the intersecting shape -- i think ;-) |
| 21:49.30 | jdoliner | stevegt_: whenever you need me I'm here to help |
| 21:49.36 | stevegt_ | i plan to generate a lot of parts from scripts in the first place, so brl-cad fits with that usage as well |
| 21:49.39 | brlcad | for nearly two decades, brl-cad has been used (with the csg approach) to model vehicles down to the nut bolt and wire using CSG boolean operations and primitives -- many things are considerably more efficient that way over BREP methods, but it's definitely a very different way of thinking about things and a large body of experience that has to be built up -- but once you do, the advanced brl-cad modelers are just as effective in brl-cad as they are in other com |
| 21:50.54 | brlcad | stevegt_: you know, if you're ray-tracing, it's not a whole lot extra logic to make it derive that top-hole using ray-tracing to a given tolerance using adaptive subdivision |
| 21:51.14 | stevegt_ | goes and looks up "adaptive subdivision" ;-) |
| 21:51.27 | brlcad | that would let you extract a contour for any arbitrary view |
| 21:52.12 | stevegt_ | is that more or less what the tessellation routines do? |
| 21:52.27 | brlcad | not at all |
| 21:52.38 | stevegt_ | i see 'curves' in the description... |
| 21:52.51 | brlcad | it's basicaly a sampling approach, you sample down to a specified level of detail |
| 21:54.33 | stevegt_ | is that related to the use of voxel spaces? |
| 21:54.40 | brlcad | think of it this way.. you shoot a grid of rays and find the edges of an object .. but instead of filling in pixels, you build up coefficients for a set of polynomial curves |
| 21:54.53 | stevegt_ | ah |
| 21:55.34 | brlcad | sampled sufficiently, you'll derive a spline that fits to the circular top of a cylinder, for example |
| 21:56.06 | stevegt_ | is there code anywhere in the brl-cad tree that does something like this right now? |
| 21:56.21 | brlcad | I'm sure you could *very* easily sample at a resolution much higher than the resolution of your fabbers stepper motors :) |
| 21:58.26 | brlcad | hm, the closest starting point is probably rtedge, which simply renders an edge outline (raster) of an object based on neighboring hits -- you'd want to extend that to be calculate the curves |
| 21:58.44 | brlcad | example, http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/havoc_rtedge.png.html |
| 21:58.47 | stevegt_ | ah ha -- 'adaptive subdivision algorithm' is giving me some good hits in google.... |
| 21:59.38 | stevegt_ | yeah, i looked at rtedge and got worried that i'd be stuck with raster-like limitations, then popped in last night to bug Ralith about it ;-) |
| 22:00.24 | brlcad | yeah, just forget about the pix output -- you'd be outputting curves or directly to gcode or whatever |
| 22:00.31 | stevegt_ | huh |
| 22:02.00 | stevegt_ | i'm wondering if it would be easier to write the code such that it tries to read the hole geometry directly off the top face of the intersecting object, and *then* falls back to adaptive subdivision, or just uses adaptive subdivision always... |
| 22:02.39 | stevegt_ | probably the latter, assuming i can figure out how to do it |
| 22:03.31 | stevegt_ | the raytracing hits sure are nice to be able to get at |
| 22:06.59 | brlcad | nice example: http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdepts/library/linuxguides/povray/image112.gif |
| 22:07.26 | brlcad | "adaptive sampling" <- another useful term you can search on |
| 22:08.00 | stevegt_ | now has to go back and remember how polynomial curve fitting works -- those brain cells died decades ago :-b |
| 22:09.14 | Ralith | it's not hard |
| 22:09.27 | brlcad | so in that image, where you have a hit neighbored to a miss, you know there's an edge somewhere between those two rays, you adaptively sample to more precisely find that edge -- if you recurse down all edges, you can find a 'perfect' contour from which you can derive coefficients for a representative set of splines |
| 22:10.01 | stevegt_ | hi Ralith! |
| 22:10.04 | Ralith | hullo |
| 22:11.28 | brlcad | another example, http://www.lamrug.org/resources/images/samples/samples.03d.jpg |
| 22:12.48 | brlcad | done well enough, you end up with an rtvector .. from which you could output svg or gcode or pdf or whatever format ;) |
| 22:13.15 | stevegt_ | brlcad: that sounds like it might be successive approximation -- do you ultimately compare the polynomial-generated curve with the original edge, or is the algorithm open-loop? (if that makes sense) |
| 22:14.06 | stevegt_ | (i'm still skimming papers from citeseer) |
| 22:14.54 | brlcad | yes, it's a way to get a successive approximation |
| 22:15.24 | brlcad | there is no "original edge" to compare it to, you're deriving a representation for that edge |
| 22:15.55 | brlcad | you just keep refining until you're below a specified accuracy level (ideally below your machine's capabilities) |
| 22:16.13 | brlcad | so even if there is error, it's never realized |
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| 22:17.55 | stevegt_ | the way you're envesioning this working, is it iterative? or am i missing some direct way to get from ray hits to coefficients? |
| 22:18.34 | stevegt_ | s/envesioning/envisioning/ |
| 22:18.51 | brlcad | here we go, even better |
| 22:19.29 | brlcad | it's basically an implementation of marching cubes with adaptive subsampling, but in 2D (i.e., marching squares with adaptive subsampling) |
| 22:19.33 | brlcad | http://www.exaflop.org/docs/marchcubes/ |
| 22:19.53 | stevegt_ | funny -- march cubes was one of the links i saw a few minutes ago |
| 22:19.55 | brlcad | and yes, it is iterative |
| 22:19.56 | stevegt_ | goes to look |
| 22:20.48 | brlcad | that page even speaks to the sampling issues, good stuff |
| 22:21.58 | brlcad | just when reading, you're working in 2D so read it as s/cubes/squares/ and s/polygons/line segments/ (for starters) |
| 22:22.03 | stevegt_ | ok, yes, they're talking about voxel spaces... |
| 22:22.19 | brlcad | voxel spaces are for 3D |
| 22:22.28 | stevegt_ | ...and they're using polygons instead of curves, but i'm grokking it |
| 22:23.04 | brlcad | right, the even mention that near the end -- that's basically applying smoothing algorithm to derive a curve |
| 22:23.36 | stevegt_ | saw that -- and you're picturing polynomial curve segments instead of straight line segments |
| 22:24.24 | brlcad | yeah, only because I don't think many machines would be robust with millions of sub-millimeter line segments that would be required to describe a smooth curve |
| 22:24.48 | brlcad | would expect aliasing artifacts |
| 22:25.36 | brlcad | interpolate a curve and simplify (e.g., identify and make curves that are linear actually just be line segmenets) |
| 22:25.48 | stevegt_ | okay, i think i can do this -- the way my brain works, i'm probably going to wind up re-deriving a lot of the algorithm, but to me it looks familiar when i think of it in the class of successive approximation, binary search, interpolation, etc. |
| 22:29.18 | stevegt_ | just don't make me solve quadratics ;-) |
| 22:31.34 | brlcad | adaptive marching squares, tis good stuff ;) |
| 22:41.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34860 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parallel.c: ws indent cleanup |
| 22:53.23 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34861 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parallel.c: |
| 22:53.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: make sure the file is actually world read/writable like we said it would be, |
| 22:53.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: call bu_fchmod(). that said, this is a horrible way to do this. mark the |
| 22:53.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: implementation as deprecated even if it's not likely anyone is relying on the |
| 22:53.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: temp files and rtsrv is the only brl-cad tool that can leverage this. |
| 22:54.04 | stevegt_ | brlcad: while i'm only going to write something like g-laser, g-toolpath2d, or whatever ("marching squares"), it does strike me that the marching cubes could be used to generate gcode suitable for N-axis mills |
| 22:55.27 | stevegt_ | <lightbulb on> and the raytracing lib could be used to fire rays at various angles to test the approache angle of the tool itself, make sure it doesn't hit anything |
| 22:55.37 | stevegt_ | s/approache/approach/ |
| 22:59.45 | brlcad | yep |
| 23:01.02 | brlcad | the exact approach you're using it 2D extends very well to 3D -- hell, with the 3D approach, that's a viable alternative for a variety of purposes including visualization, tessellation, and evaluation |
| 23:01.37 | brlcad | the problem is that it's not nearly as robust for all uses (e.g. visualization) where you can continue to "zoom in" and start to see the artifacts |
| 23:01.46 | brlcad | works well for hardware though |
| 23:02.12 | stevegt_ | that would really go far in cleaning up the CNC tool chain -- where I sit right now (middle of silly valley) there are about 900 CNC mills with a 1-mile radius; we've gotten to know a few of them over the last several years; they are all still very labor-intensive when it comes to massaging the dxf they get from the customer and generating the gcode |
| 23:03.03 | brlcad | to make sure the tool doesn't hit anything, something ala rtcheck or g_qa would work great by just having them represent the tool as geometry and test for overlap |
| 23:03.42 | brlcad | cool that you're interested in this, look forward to seeing what you make of it |
| 23:03.51 | brlcad | the idea has been around for a while, just nobody to work it |
| 23:04.35 | brlcad | lots of squeaky wheels that require attention, like better modeling interface, better interactive visualization, step conversion support, full hybrid nurbs brep support, etc ;) |
| 23:05.41 | stevegt_ | i've been interested in this ever since I was in the USAF in the early 80's, and saw how far we (still) are from being able to "print metal" -- it really drives up the cost of everything |
| 23:07.50 | stevegt_ | whups -- s/early 80's/late 80's/ -- i'm not *that* far gone yet ;-) |
| 23:08.56 | brlcad | heh |
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| 23:19.28 | stevegt_ | makes himself stop and go get (very late) lunch |
| 23:24.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34863 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (7 files in 6 dirs): break out arb8 mirroring, modify all the mirror function signatures to not take a pointer, instead just taking a plant_t |
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| 23:25.47 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34864 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add arb8_mirror.c to the other windows build files |
| 23:41.08 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34865 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc9/: |
| 23:41.10 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: remove the vc9 project files as they've gotten considerably out of sync without |
| 23:41.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: a maintainer. there are more than 163 differences with the vc8 project. |
| 23:41.14 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: someone can revive and resync if they're willing to maintain it, otherwise it's |
| 23:41.18 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: just a costly maintenance burden and confusing to users. |
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| 23:49.59 | ``Erik | would it be easy to generate vc9 files from the vc8 ones? |
| 23:50.33 | ``Erik | (or mebbe solicit the mailing list for a vc9 volunteer?) |
| 23:54.06 | starseeker | glares at gentoo - I might have known - a non-clean config path upgrade |
| 23:54.30 | starseeker | first rule of Xorg building - never,never,NEVER build a configuration that won't work |
| 23:54.58 | starseeker | oh, well - I was due for a scrub anyway, but GRRRRRRRR |
| 23:55.52 | ``Erik | pkg_add x11/Xorg on bsd, binary install of all the right stuff, then you can portupgrade at your leisure with automatic failure recovery and 'last good state' saved just in case |
| 23:57.05 | ``Erik | throw in the normal bsd nerd approach of putting edited config files in cvs or rcs and you have a system very very hard to fuck up for more than 2 minutes |
| 00:05.25 | starseeker | wow... it looks like they're trying to lay the ground work for modernizing how Xorg and hardware autodetection (hal) work together |
| 00:06.56 | starseeker | figures... I upgrade, get power failure, reboot with bad config setup... |
| 00:07.03 | starseeker | yeesh, one of those weeks |
| 00:07.31 | starseeker | oh, well - I guess on the bright side I didn't get killed by a tornado, so it's all good... |
| 00:20.07 | starseeker | there we go - ah, X feels good |
| 01:28.48 | Ralith | hm. |
| 01:29.01 | Ralith | I can't seem to get a test mesh visible in Ogre-in-Qt :/ |
| 01:29.31 | Ralith | Ogre seems to be working, though; at least, its background color is showing up fine. |
| 01:30.56 | Ralith | mafm: you around? |
| 01:44.00 | mafm | Ralith: briefly, almost 4am here and I want to go to bed :) |
| 01:51.39 | Ralith | mafm: ah. How'd you get that shape thingy to render in ogre? |
| 01:52.03 | Ralith | I've got ogre at least apparently rendering, but nothing seems to be visible |
| 01:52.36 | mafm | I had a shape floating around, for testing purposes |
| 01:52.42 | mafm | aren't you using it? |
| 01:52.55 | Ralith | no, I mean how did you get it to actually RENDER? |
| 01:52.58 | Ralith | I'm loading a mesh fine. |
| 01:53.22 | mafm | well, it's been almost a year ago since I did that, I can't remember |
| 01:53.29 | Ralith | 'kay |
| 01:53.35 | mafm | probably you have to put it in a point where you can see it |
| 01:53.51 | Ralith | I'm using: |
| 01:53.52 | Ralith | _camera->lookAt(sphereNode->getPosition()); |
| 01:53.52 | mafm | I don't think that you need anything special |
| 01:54.00 | Ralith | so I'm pretty sure it's visible |
| 01:54.07 | indianlarry | starseeker: back up and runnin I see |
| 01:54.08 | mafm | is the camera far away? |
| 01:54.15 | Ralith | shouldn't be |
| 01:54.20 | Ralith | camera's at 0,0,0 and the sphere's at 10,0,0 |
| 01:55.18 | mafm | I meant that if it's inside the sphere (because the sphere has a large radius) probably it's not painting the inside, so you can't see it |
| 01:55.29 | Ralith | could be |
| 01:55.30 | mafm | try to get controls working, too |
| 01:55.32 | Ralith | s/10/50/ |
| 01:55.47 | mafm | I remember to have problems with culling |
| 01:55.50 | Ralith | I'm hesitant to do that until I have something to look at, cuz there'd be no way to test |
| 01:56.03 | Ralith | I pretty much copypasted the scene setup code from Application.cxx |
| 01:56.14 | Ralith | so any solution you applied should be working here, too. |
| 01:56.30 | mafm | so in some distances, for no obvious reasons, I couldn't see my tetrahedron in action |
| 01:56.49 | Ralith | yeah, nothing visible at 50,0,0 either |
| 01:56.50 | mafm | so I had sometimes to zoom in or out, etc |
| 01:57.27 | mafm | mmm, check if the node is visible, it should have a getter method for that |
| 01:57.45 | Ralith | I already force it to visibility |
| 01:58.47 | Ralith | I think maybe I'll add the Qt overlay, get a widget up for displaying current camera position/orientation, and then see about enabling controls. |
| 02:03.24 | mafm | yep |
| 02:03.35 | mafm | aren't you using my camera controls? |
| 02:03.51 | mafm | you can hook it to Qt right away, I think |
| 02:04.00 | mafm | blender mode, mged mode, etc |
| 02:04.21 | Ralith | since I had to drop RBGui, right now I'm working with a very minimal setup that just tests the Ogre/Qtness. |
| 02:04.30 | mafm | so you would readily have zooming, rotating around the object and so on |
| 02:04.54 | Ralith | I'll be bringing your code back in once I get this working and can begin to swap in Qt for the existing stuff. |
| 02:04.57 | mafm | well, I think that you can use it even without Qt |
| 02:05.08 | mafm | probably the input is still working |
| 02:05.21 | mafm | it only requires OGRE and OIS, IIRC |
| 02:05.44 | mafm | so you don't really need anything related with GUI to control the camera |
| 02:05.54 | Ralith | I'm not init'ing OIS currently, partly due to some weird singleton errors it was causing |
| 02:06.03 | mafm | ops :S |
| 02:06.13 | Ralith | and I think Qt provides input, too, so it shouldn't be necessary long-term |
| 02:06.29 | Ralith | I'll see if I can wire up Qt's input to your existing camera control stuff, though; good idea thre. |
| 02:06.40 | Ralith | after I get Qt widgets rendering. |
| 02:12.18 | mafm | I think that my input works directly with OIS, so it would be easier if you get it working |
| 02:12.54 | mafm | also, I don't know if you can pass the input Qt->OGRE, or you have to get the input in Ogre and pass it over to Qt |
| 02:13.13 | mafm | since Qt works with OpenGL probably you can |
| 02:17.07 | Ralith | ah, crap, looks like I dropped the Ogre stuff in the wrong place |
| 02:19.02 | Ralith | well, thanks for the input |
| 02:21.59 | mafm | ok |
| 02:22.02 | mafm | good night! |
| 02:22.06 | Ralith | nite! |
| 02:39.12 | starseeker | indianlarry: heh, yep |
| 02:58.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34866 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h OgreScene.cxx OgreScene.h): Moved code Ogre to a subclass of QGraphicsScene, OgreScene, instead of a subclass of QGLWidget, in preparation for drawing Qt GUI elements on top. |
| 03:13.59 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34867 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreScene.cxx OgreScene.h): Removed an unnecessary state-tracking bool and added experimental resize handling. |
| 03:26.06 | Ralith | damn, Qt stuff isn't working first try :/ |
| 03:27.17 | louipc | not too bad. my shell script doesn't even work first try heheheh |
| 03:28.37 | Ralith | hm |
| 03:28.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r34868 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreScene.cxx: Qt test widgets (not yet working) |
| 03:28.56 | Ralith | maybe my tiling wm is to blame. |
| 03:29.00 | Ralith | needs to go eat, though |
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| 04:12.21 | Ralith | okay, the widget shows up when Ogre doesn't render anything. |
| 04:24.00 | Ralith | it looks like, somehow, Ogre is rendering on top of the Qt stuff. |
| 04:24.05 | Ralith | anyone here familiar with OpenGL? |
| 04:33.46 | Ralith | I need to work out how to force Ogre's rendering to happen *underneath* Qt's. |
| 04:44.27 | starseeker | is this something Qt would need to manage? |
| 04:44.48 | starseeker | I would suggest checking how Qt manages overlapping windows in OpenGL without Ogre being involved |
| 04:48.23 | Ralith | starseeker: I'm not sure I see what overlapping windows has to do with it. |
| 04:48.36 | Ralith | Ogre's being drawn in the 'background' of a GraphicsScene |
| 04:48.48 | Ralith | but somehow it's also ending up on top of the widgets. |
| 04:48.49 | starseeker | hmm |
| 04:49.06 | Ralith | I thought generally things drawn first ended up underneath things drawn later? |
| 04:49.14 | starseeker | not sure |
| 04:49.19 | Ralith | maybe I should clear the depth buffer after drawing Ogre? |
| 04:49.54 | starseeker | what happens with a "normal" background in Qt + opengl? |
| 04:50.04 | starseeker | if you change the background I mean |
| 04:50.11 | Ralith | change? |
| 04:50.27 | starseeker | that's essentially what Ogre is doing - continually updating the background |
| 04:50.56 | starseeker | if you painted a different color (or something) in the background of a GraphicsScene, does something similar happen? |
| 04:51.06 | starseeker | doesn't know, just throwing out questions |
| 04:51.31 | Ralith | Ogre isn't exactly doing anything continuously; it's doing it whenever Qt asks it to draw. |
| 04:51.55 | Ralith | it's Qt-in-Ogre-in-Qt, and the two Qts are actually one Qt, so in theory it should know what's up. |
| 04:52.27 | Ralith | I'm doing things very similar to the way they're done in a known-working Qt-in-OpenGL-in-Qt example I have |
| 04:53.02 | starseeker | hmm. |
| 04:54.08 | Ralith | just instead of calling OpenGL stuff directly in drawBackground, I call ogreRoot->renderOneFrame(); |
| 04:54.57 | starseeker | and the render is painting the OpenGL context and overwriting the dialog views? |
| 04:55.13 | Ralith | or something that looks that way. |
| 04:55.25 | Ralith | okay, clearing depth buffer did no good |
| 04:56.07 | starseeker | what about calling an explicit repaint (or something like that) for the dialog widgets after the renderOneFrame? |
| 04:57.12 | Ralith | I'm pretty sure that already happens. |
| 04:57.17 | starseeker | hmm |
| 04:57.24 | stevegt_1 | okay, for the record, lurkers, and irc logs (after struggling with it and digging through the code off and on all afternoon trying to figure out what some of the parms mean), the 'in ... extrude' command to generate extrude primitives can be used like this: |
| 04:57.24 | Ralith | okay, it's def. something that Ogre does |
| 04:57.27 | stevegt_1 | in foo.e extrude 0 0 0 0 0 5 1 0 0 0 1 0 sketch.1 |
| 04:58.12 | Ralith | starseeker: if I comment out the Ogre render call and just do glClearColor(...) and glClear(colorbuffer | depthbuffer) I get a white background with my widget on top of it. |
| 04:58.26 | stevegt_1 | that's assuming that you want a 5 mm thick extruded sheet in the shape of sketch.1, which in my case was imported from qcad using dxf-g |
| 05:00.07 | Ralith | (when white is my clear color, that is |
| 05:00.33 | starseeker | Ralith: probably means renderOneFrame is making some assumption it shouldn't |
| 05:00.41 | Ralith | yeah |
| 05:00.43 | Ralith | but what :/ |
| 05:00.44 | stevegt_1 | the '1 0 0 0 1 0' vectors (A and B in the mged prompts, uvec and vvec in the code) are the part of that i haven't yet completely understood -- they control stretching and rotation, but i haven't figured out exactly how yet, so i just used the vectors brlcad mentioned earlier today |
| 05:01.09 | stevegt_1 | (we now return you to our regular programming...) |
| 05:01.13 | Ralith | stevegt_1: if you leave the params out it will prompt informatively for them. |
| 05:01.37 | stevegt_1 | informatively?!? it wants "A" and "B"... |
| 05:01.47 | Ralith | hm, maybe not. |
| 05:01.50 | stevegt_1 | hee |
| 05:04.02 | stevegt_1 | the closest i came to any enlightenment was in Unigraphics/ug-g.c, which makes me think that looking at some Unigraphics docs might explain the history of those two vectors |
| 05:04.54 | Ralith | or just fiddle them and ratyrace and see what it looks like :P |
| 05:05.54 | starseeker | Ralith: you probably don't want to hear this, but I would suggest looking at the source of the glClear stuff and renderOneFrame to see what the differences are in how they address the ogl window |
| 05:06.00 | Ralith | starseeker: here's something interesting; if I render the Ogre stuff then glClear everything, the widgets are *still* not rendered. |
| 05:06.13 | stevegt_1 | did that, didn't get a feel for what I was doing |
| 05:06.15 | Ralith | ...the source of glClear? I'm pretty sure that's in the drivers >_> |
| 05:06.32 | starseeker | it's not a Qt function? |
| 05:06.39 | Ralith | no, it's an OpenGL function. |
| 05:06.42 | starseeker | ah |
| 05:06.55 | Ralith | that's why its results as mentioned above are interesting |
| 05:07.16 | starseeker | if you render Ogre, do a glClear, and then call some sort of Qt redraw event does that restore the widgets? |
| 05:07.22 | Ralith | Ogre's renderOneFrame does something that makes *all* GL stuff go on top, at least until Qt resets it (it doesn't happen if I only call renderOneFrame once) |
| 05:07.33 | stevegt_1 | would have to play with it a while longer, probably while looking at the code |
| 05:07.55 | Ralith | starseeker: because glClear alone results in the widgets displaying, and based on the aforementioned working example, I think a widget redraw happens automatically. |
| 05:08.14 | Ralith | as I mentioned above, if I render Ogre and then do a glClear, the widgets do NOT display. |
| 05:08.20 | Ralith | so Ogre's setting some OpenGL flag or something. |
| 05:08.53 | Ralith | wonders if there's some way to catch all OpenGL calls ogre makes |
| 05:09.34 | stevegt_1 | hint to future self: play with those 'in ... extrude' vectors in mged while looking at src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c; also see how extrusions are handled in src/conv/* |
| 05:11.15 | starseeker | Ralith: is this related? http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=296902&highlight=&sid=ce193664e1d3d7c4af509e6f4e2718c6 |
| 05:13.38 | Ralith | starseeker: hmm, looks like it might be; I don't know how Qt does its OpenGL, but it could well be immediate mode. |
| 05:17.18 | starseeker | I'm wondering about the last post here, if it's still true in Qt: http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33065 |
| 05:17.33 | Ralith | seems like there must be some way to reenable whatever it is that Ogre disables |
| 05:17.41 | Ralith | I mean, if I render a single Ogre frame, Qt manages to recover. |
| 05:17.47 | Ralith | so obviously it's reset somehow. |
| 05:20.19 | starseeker | are the Qt widgets creating their own GL contexts? I thought it was one shared context, but maybe I'm wrong... |
| 05:20.27 | Ralith | it is one shared context. |
| 05:20.45 | Ralith | this thread is from before Ogre supportes context sharing. |
| 05:23.13 | Ralith | it looks like renderOneFrame is doing extra stuff, though; I'll try finding this RenderTarget;:update thing and using that |
| 05:31.12 | Ralith | :/ |
| 05:32.04 | starseeker | no dice? |
| 05:32.28 | starseeker | is wondering about the swapBuffers parameter on RenderTarget::update... |
| 05:32.31 | Ralith | wait... |
| 05:32.33 | Ralith | yeah I'm trying that |
| 05:33.35 | Ralith | yeah, doesn't work |
| 05:33.50 | Ralith | that is, it has the same results as renderOneFrame |
| 05:34.18 | starseeker | hmm. any chance of asking the ogre forums what's going on? |
| 05:34.34 | Ralith | could give that a try |
| 05:34.55 | Ralith | I think I'll try the approach in that first thread you posted, if I can find some way to manually call the widget update |
| 05:40.19 | starseeker | Ralith: is QGLWidget::isSharing important? |
| 05:40.45 | Ralith | don't think so |
| 05:41.01 | Ralith | that's to do with display lists |
| 05:41.02 | starseeker | there's also QGLWidget::paintGL and QGLWidget::paintOverlayGL... |
| 05:41.05 | Ralith | good go dthis example code sucks. |
| 05:41.36 | Ralith | I'm not actually touching QGLWidget here; the Ogre stuff is going on in GraphicsScene::drawBackground |
| 05:41.44 | Ralith | well, a class derived from GraphicsScene |
| 05:41.47 | starseeker | erm |
| 05:42.25 | starseeker | oh, right |
| 05:43.10 | Ralith | this guy uses variable and class names that take up almost the entire width of my editor singlehandedly ;_; |
| 05:43.20 | starseeker | you're doing what this is doing? http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq26-openglcanvas.html ? |
| 05:43.35 | Ralith | yup |
| 05:45.13 | starseeker | so the widgets are QGraphicsItem objects? |
| 05:45.28 | Ralith | they get wrapped in those at some point, I imagine |
| 05:45.39 | Ralith | the whole point is that they can be any QWidget though. |
| 05:47.16 | starseeker | yeah, I'd contact Samuel Rodal and/or ask in the ogre forums |
| 05:48.05 | starseeker | be right back, must reboot |
| 06:03.01 | starseeker | phew - it worked |
| 06:03.20 | starseeker | sets up large packages for overnight rebuild and turns off brain... |
| 06:05.55 | Ralith | heh |
| 06:05.55 | Ralith | nite |
| 06:05.59 | Ralith | Ogre forum post made. |
| 06:10.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1505 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Log for 2009-06-23 |
| 06:52.48 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1506 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Addendum to log for 2009-06-23 |
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| 17:08.04 | brlcad | oops |
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| 17:19.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: low-res perspective modes |
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| 17:55.50 | jdoliner | does anyone know why this is segfaulting?: |
| 17:56.04 | jdoliner | ON_SimpleArray<ON_Polyline> answer; |
| 17:56.27 | jdoliner | ON_Polyline initial_segment = ON_Polyline(); |
| 17:56.27 | jdoliner | initial_segment.Append(segments.First()->from); |
| 17:56.27 | jdoliner | initial_segment.Append(segments.First()->to); |
| 17:56.27 | jdoliner | answer.Append(initial_segment); |
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| 18:54.21 | brlcad | jdoliner: not without a debugger |
| 18:54.51 | jdoliner | yeah I figured it out |
| 18:57.00 | jdoliner | weird thing during the initialization that was causing it to try to extend the array |
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| 20:09.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: changed tolerance on vertical trim check; added near hit/miss logic to shotline cleanup |
| 20:09.29 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: but still WIP |
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| 21:53.43 | m03sizlak | i need a high quality 3d model of manhattan |
| 21:54.59 | Ralith | starseeker: thanks for the participation in the thread |
| 22:39.48 | starseeker | Ralith: well, I don't know if it accomplished anything :-/ |
| 22:40.05 | starseeker | figured if it was active it might attract more attention |
| 22:40.08 | Ralith | starseeker: at the very least, it held the attention of someone knowledgable. |
| 22:40.12 | Ralith | yeah. |
| 22:40.31 | Ralith | and answered an important question |
| 22:42.29 | starseeker | hmm, I can't get the forums to come up - have there been more replies? |
| 22:43.21 | Ralith | nothing of interest, unless you count my own recent post explaining why I'd rather like to make things work within the current setup |
| 22:43.47 | starseeker | ah, there we go. |
| 22:43.48 | Ralith | and simplifying the question down to two simple queries |
| 22:44.32 | Ralith | if only there was some simple way to log all OpenGL calls g3d as a whole makes |
| 22:45.13 | Ralith | that way we could see what Qt does to get the context back to a usable state after an Ogre render call |
| 22:45.24 | Ralith | and isolate Qt's own rendering for test purposes |
| 22:45.40 | starseeker | hmm: http://www.opengl.org/sdk/tools/GLIntercept/ ? |
| 22:46.21 | Ralith | windows only. |
| 22:46.32 | Ralith | I don't have any windows devboxes |
| 22:46.43 | Ralith | perhaps I could get someone to log it for me? |
| 22:47.38 | Ralith | brb |
| 22:47.47 | starseeker | http://www.hawksoft.com/gltrace/ claims to have preliminary Linux support |
| 22:48.21 | Ralith | worth a try |
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| 22:49.04 | starseeker | http://graphics.stanford.edu/courses/cs448a-01-fall/glsim.html |
| 22:50.23 | Ralith | NOTE: trace doesn't seem to work with Linux NVIDIA OpenGL drivers. If you need to make a trace on Linux, use a Linux machine with Mesa drivers. |
| 22:50.26 | Ralith | >:/ |
| 22:50.28 | starseeker | http://www.opengl.org/sdk/tools/BuGLe/ |
| 22:50.46 | Ralith | oh nice |
| 22:51.20 | starseeker | GPL, but usable as a tool I would think (brlcad?) |
| 22:51.26 | Ralith | certainly |
| 22:51.28 | Ralith | gcc is GPL, after all |
| 22:51.46 | starseeker | nods - this is for debugging, not for inclusion anyhow |
| 22:52.01 | Ralith | grabs some lunch |
| 22:54.54 | starseeker | old, but maybe useful? http://spyglass.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:55.52 | brlcad | m03sizlak: and I need a high quality model of a lightcycle and a replicator ;) |
| 22:56.44 | starseeker | Ralith: yeah, it's looking like most roads lead to BuGLe |
| 22:57.11 | brlcad | okay to use during development, it's not being integrated |
| 22:57.23 | brlcad | there's also a very powerful opengl debugger on the mac |
| 22:57.43 | brlcad | part of the performance tools |
| 22:58.42 | brlcad | still, you should be able to back down to basic qt tests first without having to worry about opengl calls |
| 23:16.51 | Ralith | brlcad: basic qt tests like what? |
| 23:17.10 | Ralith | I've already confirmed that everything works, even rendering OpenGL stuff, when Ogre isn't called. |
| 23:17.27 | Ralith | (including rendering Qt widgets, if that wasn't clear) |
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| 23:17.52 | starseeker | what about setting up the "bad" condition (Ogre having futzed up the rendering) and walk through the Qt cycle that restores it? |
| 23:18.01 | Ralith | starseeker: that's what I was planning to do. |
| 23:18.05 | starseeker | nods |
| 23:18.14 | Ralith | only, save a lot of time by stripping it down to just the OpenGL calls. |
| 23:18.23 | Ralith | I guess I could grab a source checkout of Qt and do it the other way, though |
| 23:18.34 | Ralith | might lead to a tidier fix. |
| 23:18.41 | starseeker | would recommend that, actually |
| 23:18.54 | starseeker | awareness of Qt source code will probably be a requirement sooner or later... |
| 23:19.16 | starseeker | eyes the Tcl/Tk trees living in src/other |
| 23:20.14 | Ralith | let's not intern Qt |
| 23:20.18 | Ralith | :P |
| 23:20.42 | starseeker | heh :-) |
| 23:20.52 | starseeker | well, the chips will fall where they need to |
| 23:22.40 | Ralith | I'm certainly not checking it in myself after that Ogre mess. |
| 23:22.48 | starseeker | hehe |
| 23:23.14 | starseeker | if it has to be checked in, I'll take a stab at it - only if we need to though |
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| 03:33.16 | Ralith | okay, I've tried saving and restoring as much OpenGL state as I can think of |
| 03:33.25 | Ralith | all three buffers, and all the attribs |
| 03:33.27 | Ralith | er |
| 03:33.30 | Ralith | all three matrixes |
| 03:33.32 | Ralith | er |
| 03:33.33 | Ralith | all four |
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| 10:45.40 | d-lo | Merininin all! |
| 11:06.55 | Ralith | morning |
| 11:07.10 | d-lo | how goes the ogre debacle? |
| 11:07.25 | Ralith | not terriblywell. |
| 11:07.36 | Ralith | digging around for some clue as to how to put things back in order for Qt. |
| 11:07.43 | d-lo | what exactly is the issue with ogre? |
| 11:08.12 | Ralith | it's doing something that interferes with Qt rendering its widgets |
| 11:08.28 | Ralith | every frame that Ogre renders, the widgets don't show up; when Ogre doesn't render a frame, the widgets show up fine. |
| 11:08.41 | d-lo | interesting. |
| 11:09.08 | d-lo | do you know if the version of ogre that *was* in the repo (aka the one that got nuked) was working? |
| 11:09.16 | Ralith | huh? |
| 11:09.33 | Ralith | the ogre that *was* in the repo wouldn't have even rendered to Qt's context. |
| 11:09.54 | Ralith | only the most recent svn versions can do that. |
| 11:10.14 | d-lo | kk. That version of ogre had the 'bug fix' already done. Just checking to see if its the same bug or a different one. |
| 11:10.23 | d-lo | Sounds different. |
| 11:10.52 | Ralith | what bug fix? |
| 11:11.04 | Ralith | this is the first time we've tried to integrate Qt... |
| 11:11.07 | d-lo | dunno. It was before my time. |
| 11:11.26 | d-lo | Not Qt integration. Previous version of ogree |
| 11:11.29 | d-lo | heh, ogre. |
| 11:11.58 | Ralith | the issue only manifests through the issue with Qt integration. |
| 11:12.06 | d-lo | there was *something* wrong with ogre and it needed to have changes done to it. |
| 11:12.09 | Ralith | if I wasn't trying to do that, this version would work fine. |
| 11:12.15 | d-lo | roger that. |
| 11:12.20 | Ralith | yeah, that got fixed in the official version a long time ago |
| 11:12.23 | d-lo | is up to speed now. |
| 11:13.11 | Ralith | I was using stable ogre to run g3d even last summer |
| 11:13.12 | Ralith | kk |
| 11:13.12 | d-lo | any guesses as to the widget 'sync' issue? |
| 11:13.12 | Ralith | got a thread going on the Ogre forums, but all I'm getting is messy workaround suggestions. |
| 11:13.20 | Ralith | I'm not sure I'd call it a sync issue |
| 11:13.40 | Ralith | Ogre's doing *something* that screws with the context state, and Qt is somehow resetting it such that it's capable of rendering correctly once Ogre stops. |
| 11:14.33 | Ralith | whatever it is isn't a trivial OpenGL state thing, because I've tried saving/restoring that and I'm pretty sure I didn't miss anything |
| 11:15.21 | Ralith | so at this point I'm trying to work out how Qt resets things |
| 11:15.30 | Ralith | so I can do that manually right after Ogre renders |
| 11:16.15 | d-lo | sounds like a good approach. |
| 11:17.21 | d-lo | I need to dig into ogre more, but am slightly familiar with qt. Are you thinking of setting up ogre's render completion as a signal? |
| 11:20.44 | Ralith | Ogre does its rendering in the drawBackground function of a class derived grom QGraphicsScene |
| 11:21.10 | Ralith | as Qt already has support for rendering widgets directly into an OpenGL-backed QGraphicsScene, and Qt examples show OpenGL rendering being done in the background like this. |
| 11:21.17 | d-lo | Ralith: Possibly a silly question, but are you 1) integrating Ogre into Qt or 2) Qt into Ogre? I was assuming #1 but realized #2 is completely possible also. |
| 11:21.26 | Ralith | both actually |
| 11:21.32 | Ralith | Qt-in-Ogre-in-Qt |
| 11:21.41 | Ralith | the Qt sort of wraps around |
| 11:22.02 | d-lo | Excellent :) |
| 11:22.03 | Ralith | the important bit is that the GL context is created and managed by Qt, though. |
| 11:22.14 | Ralith | have a look at OgreScene in svn if you like |
| 11:22.37 | Ralith | I haven't checked in the main code yet 'cuz I don't want to break existing g3d until I have something at least approaching functional |
| 11:22.49 | Ralith | the main code as in the main.cxx code; the important code is all in OgreScene |
| 11:22.49 | d-lo | just got back in the office. Took 10 days off and have tons of catchup to do... email, voicemails, etc. But I will look at it at somepoint :) |
| 11:22.55 | Ralith | hehe, 'kay |
| 11:45.34 | Ralith | grabs some much-needed sleep |
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| 12:16.00 | starseeker | Ralith: do you know anything about the "Render Queue Listener" used in that native code inside Ogre example? http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=296902 |
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| 14:15.43 | starseeker | hmm - rt^3 evidently isn't set up for out of dir building |
| 14:16.24 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:28.40 | d-lo | fyi: working on the conversion to cmake in rt^3 |
| 14:31.46 | brlcad | cool |
| 14:32.00 | brlcad | no commits, though? |
| 14:32.12 | d-lo | just started today :) first day back. |
| 14:32.13 | brlcad | that's easily parselable |
| 14:32.28 | brlcad | ah okey, sounded like you were well underway |
| 14:33.00 | brlcad | w/b, cya in a bit -- dog needed some attention this am so i'll be in at/after lunch |
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| 14:54.55 | brlcad | is going to grab a sushi lunch at japan house around 11:45 if anyone is interested and in the area ;) |
| 15:12.27 | ``Erik | hrmmm |
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| 17:32.33 | ``Erik | http://9to5mac.com/macbook-missing-feature |
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| 17:54.52 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34880 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: keith and cliff have been making extensive progress on brep/nurbs raytracing support |
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| 20:02.38 | ``Erik | hahaha, awesome :D |
| 20:02.47 | ``Erik | kline city |
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| 23:35.09 | starseeker | whoops |
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| 23:42.18 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34886 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: For reasons not immediately clear, still getting more visual artifacts with breakout of solver logic. In the interm, restore previous version - need to figure out what the difference is. |
| 23:42.29 | starseeker | mutter, mutter... |
| 23:45.15 | Ralith | starseeker: no, don't know much about that, but it seems to be one way people have gotten standard opengl calls to work with Ogre and I may play with it if all else fails |
| 23:45.19 | Ralith | however |
| 23:45.29 | Ralith | some opengl calls, at least, seem to work without any special handling |
| 23:45.35 | Ralith | e.g. the aforementioned glclear |
| 23:46.03 | Ralith | possibly the issue discussed on the ogre forums was because they were trying to render opengl inline, rather than calling it after renderOneFrame |
| 23:46.52 | starseeker | Right - what I was wondering about was whether that example is a method for making Ogre more "receptive" to external OpenGL drawing |
| 23:48.42 | starseeker | e.g could Qt do whatever it is that demo external OpenGL input was doing... |
| 23:49.58 | starseeker | we don't care about Direct3D at the moment, so Karan's concerns don't apply... |
| 23:50.50 | Ralith | yeah |
| 23:51.03 | Ralith | the main issue is that the Qt stuff is designed to draw when it wants to, not when you want it to. |
| 23:51.12 | Ralith | so it'd require hacking a good bit deeper. |
| 23:53.03 | Ralith | hm. |
| 23:58.45 | brlcad | ahh, there we go |
| 00:06.29 | Ralith | ? |
| 00:25.07 | starseeker | is slightly unnerved that he couldn't put humpty-dumpty newton iterator back together again... |
| 00:37.43 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:55.07 | brlcad | Ralith: server was k-lined, took a couple hours to get unblocked |
| 00:55.12 | brlcad | cgi:irc abuse |
| 00:55.38 | Ralith | ah. |
| 00:55.46 | Ralith | doesn't cgi:irc have an option to forward the user's ip to the ircd? |
| 00:55.53 | Ralith | allowing specific bans? |
| 01:02.54 | ``Erik | I thought the cgi portal only allowed messages to/from the channel it was configured for, how do ya abuse it? O.o |
| 01:03.52 | Ralith | it can be set up like that, but it's also possible to use it as a generalized IRC client (even to arbitrary networks) |
| 01:05.24 | ``Erik | was it actual abuse, not an overzealous ircop/script? |
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| 10:39.23 | d-lo | mernin all |
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| 12:05.55 | louipc | mernin |
| 12:06.03 | louipc | check this out: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/12/02/widgets-enter-the-third-dimension-wolfenqt/ |
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| 13:00.14 | brlcad | that's pretty cool |
| 13:07.22 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 13:18.47 | d-lo | wolfen-qt. heh. nice |
| 13:27.10 | ``Erik | hm, ms labs had something like that 10 yrs ago :/ |
| 13:27.26 | ``Erik | I think the called it gallery or something |
| 13:28.09 | ``Erik | not using wolf3d to demo, but same tech |
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| 15:31.39 | starseeker | ``Erik: the cool part, as I understand it, is specifically getting Qt in it |
| 15:32.11 | starseeker | unfortunately, that's still not what we need :-/ |
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| 17:40.23 | ``Erik | dangit |
| 17:57.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34887 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Ah ha. DID need to pass in the count of previous intersects to ensure correct assignments to t, N and ouv. Results should be identical now. |
| 17:59.14 | starseeker | wishes he could erase that particular section of the commit history... <turns red> |
| 18:00.08 | brlcad | heh, still some things not matching up? |
| 18:00.46 | starseeker | no, it looks OK now |
| 18:00.54 | brlcad | I mean before that commit |
| 18:01.00 | starseeker | oh, yeah |
| 18:01.03 | brlcad | the pic looked good |
| 18:01.10 | brlcad | something else was fluxxored? |
| 18:01.15 | starseeker | yeah, shape1.s didn't trigger it |
| 18:01.20 | brlcad | ah |
| 18:01.56 | starseeker | basically the original setup was counting on intersects always being the total hit count for the ray, but we were using it locally |
| 18:02.18 | brlcad | well you did at least narrow it down to just initial state value problems, that certainly should have helped |
| 18:02.28 | starseeker | nods |
| 18:03.10 | starseeker | basically, the intersects variable was doing two different jobs, which worked when everything was in one big happy function but showed up when the intersection count went local |
| 18:04.44 | starseeker | since we're planning to rework that whole section anyhow I probably shouldn't have bothered, but it was getting on my nerves |
| 18:13.17 | brlcad | its good refactoring practice regardless |
| 18:46.47 | starseeker | brlcad: we're getting a problem on OSX 10.5 - mged's getting a bus error when it tries to start up. gdb is complaining about not finding .o files for information, but does flag the crash in dm-X.c somewhere |
| 18:47.06 | starseeker | are you seeing anything similar on your mac? |
| 18:47.47 | brlcad | yeah, I've seen that |
| 18:48.30 | starseeker | any magic incantations I can give it to make it go away? |
| 18:48.37 | brlcad | was investigating a little through the week but didn't get a lot of time to work it, one of a few things on my list today |
| 18:48.42 | brlcad | yeah, run classic ;) |
| 18:48.50 | starseeker | heh |
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| 19:03.10 | louipc | classic rules |
| 19:12.43 | brlcad | starseeker: curious, can you try running DISPLAY=hostname:0 instead of just :0 |
| 19:15.13 | ``Erik | might need to xhost first |
| 19:15.27 | starseeker | brlcad: on the 10.5 mac? |
| 19:15.30 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:15.31 | starseeker | one sec... |
| 19:17.15 | ``Erik | can try when he gets home |
| 19:17.16 | starseeker | even with xhost, just says "can't connect to display hostname:0" |
| 19:17.39 | ``Erik | just did an up and install on my home lappy, just have to get there to try running it |
| 19:18.26 | brlcad | starseeker: defaults write org.x.X11 nolisten_tcp 0 |
| 19:18.35 | brlcad | quit X11, restart it |
| 19:21.46 | brlcad | the latest 10.5 disables remote connections, that should re-enable them -- which is the point of the hostname:0 test |
| 19:22.01 | brlcad | as I'm pretty sure the problem is a 32-bit-compiled X11 application trying to talk to a 64-bit X11 |
| 19:22.13 | ``Erik | I thought 10.4 needed that, too |
| 19:24.29 | starseeker | brlcad: is that first line a command? |
| 19:24.38 | starseeker | or a setting somewhere? |
| 19:24.59 | brlcad | it's a command to be run in a terminal |
| 19:25.23 | brlcad | sets a setting for the x11 application :) |
| 19:28.07 | starseeker | cool. OK, tried that - obviously makes an attempt in that focus changes from the mac terminal to X11, but still gives bus error |
| 19:29.00 | brlcad | you ran defaults, then tried DISPLAY=hostname:0 ? |
| 19:34.13 | starseeker | yes |
| 19:38.56 | starseeker | after restarting X11 |
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| 20:30.54 | starseeker | glares at the spam on the brlcad-commits list |
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| 20:55.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34888 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 20:55.09 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added vectoring equations that will lead to the limbs to be positioned and repositioned |
| 20:55.11 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: by using rotation matrices. Also includes a demo of the process on an rcc primitive. |
| 20:55.31 | brlcad | woot |
| 20:56.16 | brlcad | yeah, really rare drive-by spamming .. have to see how that made it through |
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| 21:56.12 | brlcad | jdoliner: how's it going? |
| 21:56.26 | jdoliner | not bad |
| 21:56.33 | jdoliner | I hunted down a bunch of bugs |
| 21:56.47 | jdoliner | and I've been puzzling since last night over how to reconstruct the geometry |
| 21:57.10 | jdoliner | it's a bit tricky it seems |
| 21:57.23 | jdoliner | I'm looking at nmg right now to see what they did |
| 21:58.43 | jdoliner | oh also, the problem I was having with segfaults was a really annoying one. |
| 21:58.51 | brlcad | are you familiar with euler operations? |
| 21:59.11 | jdoliner | perhaps, say more |
| 22:23.00 | ``Erik | first, ya oil everything up, then ya start operating |
| 22:23.43 | ``Erik | 3 rotations to get the direction/twist you want |
| 22:24.18 | ``Erik | er, wait, that's euler angles |
| 22:24.18 | ``Erik | sorry |
| 22:24.53 | ``Erik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_modeling and search euler |
| 22:57.02 | brlcad | jdoliner: basically, (summarized in the link erik posted) it's a way to perform topological transformations on geometry in such a way that solidity preservation is guaranteed |
| 23:01.47 | brlcad | by looking at the various components of a boundary representation (e.g., vertices, edges, faces, shells) and ways they can interact |
| 23:02.12 | brlcad | making a new edge, extruding a face, intersecting faces, splitting surfaces, .. |
| 23:02.36 | brlcad | lots of info in this paper of relevance: http://www.nakl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~masuda/papers/cad93.pdf |
| 23:04.38 | brlcad | should help in figuring out how to perform a given restructuring |
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| 00:23.57 | jdoliner | brlcad: **cool reading the paper now |
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| 02:16.38 | starseeker | woot - Meshlab 1.2.1 actually built cleanly |
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| 13:40.58 | ``Erik | latest brlcad up starts up fine on my 10.5 |
| 13:41.14 | ``Erik | but it's 32b end to end |
| 13:41.22 | ``Erik | I think O.o |
| 16:05.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34891 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (13 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:05.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Take a stab at some undo icons for Archer. Also reorder the buttons a bit - |
| 16:05.52 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: it's a concern that an imprecise click intending to checkpoint a lot of work |
| 16:05.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: could have exactly the opposite effect, for example - or an attempt to create an |
| 16:05.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: arb accidently reverts the file. Probably need to 'break up' the harmless, |
| 16:05.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: creative, and destructive operations to different parts of the toolbar or |
| 16:06.02 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: something else intelligent - in the meantime, at least put 'harmless' clicks on |
| 16:06.36 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 16:17.57 | starseeker | ``Erik: mm? |
| 16:19.37 | ``Erik | commit message |
| 16:19.47 | ``Erik | and that it's saturday O.o |
| 16:20.11 | ``Erik | shouldn't you be, y'know, househunting, relaxing, getting stuff ready to move, being away from a 'puter? |
| 16:26.41 | starseeker | ah :) |
| 16:28.19 | archivist | the internet needs, cant leave it |
| 16:37.45 | ``Erik | heh, sure ya can, that's why I'm not on the 'puter right now! |
| 16:38.45 | ``Erik | (hypocrisy? whu?) |
| 16:42.29 | brlcad | starseeker: NEWS ;) |
| 16:44.17 | brlcad | ``Erik: if you want something more interesting, could figure out why --with-opengl won't compile -- there's a libpng linkage problem on 10.5 |
| 16:44.53 | ``Erik | can't type much with the wrist, took too long to just test the latest build :( |
| 16:45.23 | brlcad | iirc, there are libpng symbols embedded in one of the core mac frameworks that ends up screwing our dependency when linking anything that uses libpng |
| 16:45.30 | ``Erik | otherwise, I'd be coding lisp stuff... itching to try some stuff, but can't get into flow like this :( |
| 16:46.42 | brlcad | got really good at typing with one hand when he had bad RSI many years ago, then one hand + a pencil in the other was nearly double speed, until I recovered |
| 16:47.33 | ``Erik | I started getting rsi issues, hoping this break (hahaha.) will let it recoup |
| 16:47.49 | ``Erik | 2-4 more weeks |
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| 17:01.35 | brlcad | telling you, learning to use a mouse with my left hand was the best thing I ever did |
| 17:02.21 | brlcad | pain vanished in just a couple days, only returns when I use it right-handed for long periods of time |
| 17:03.06 | ``Erik | been using my left hand for mouse |
| 17:03.23 | ``Erik | was reaching across at work, moved the mouse over a couple days ago |
| 17:04.19 | brlcad | woot |
| 17:04.54 | ``Erik | was overshooting a lot at first |
| 17:40.34 | brlcad | took me about a solid week (100 hrs use or so) before I felt really comfortable, was decent after just a couple days |
| 17:41.34 | ``Erik | ? the mouse, or rsi? |
| 17:44.22 | brlcad | mouse |
| 17:44.39 | brlcad | rsi disappeared almost immediately |
| 17:45.04 | brlcad | I was already down to pencil mode by that point, couldn't use right at all |
| 17:45.24 | ``Erik | blames scrollwheel on mouse |
| 17:45.30 | brlcad | a basic #2 with rubber eraser side down does great :) |
| 17:46.12 | brlcad | hm, my biggest pain was holding a left-click, like for drag-n-drop |
| 17:46.13 | ``Erik | 26 years on a keyboard, 17 with a mouse, didn't happen until I got a mouse with a scrollwheel |
| 17:46.40 | ``Erik | might be the shape of the mouse, too... doesn't seem right to me, the mouseman95 was far better |
| 17:48.09 | ``Erik | http://www.drivers.ru/images/catalog/ms38.gif was the body I liked, the front doesn't really slope down |
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| 18:25.57 | ``Erik | http://www.miller-mccune.com/politics/partisan-portfolios-1297 interesting |
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| 21:17.16 | Ralith | ugh, the wiki never remembers my login. |
| 21:17.31 | Ralith | considers actually asking it to. |
| 21:18.00 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 21:44.48 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1509 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Log for 2009-06-24 and -25 |
| 00:02.12 | ``Erik | I should make a parody of the old cinemaware game "defender of the crown" set in midwest us and call it "defender of the corn" |
| 03:13.42 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'm not sure some of the folks out that way would see the parody ;-) |
| 03:14.03 | starseeker | plus, if you end up out there you'd get to explain it in person :-P |
| 04:12.47 | starseeker | arrgh, no sound in bzflag :-( |
| 04:40.35 | starseeker | or alienarena |
| 04:40.38 | starseeker | mutter... |
| 04:40.55 | starseeker | oh, well, not a big deal - music plays ok... |
| 04:43.05 | starseeker | wonders if it's an openal problem... |
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| 19:12.12 | ``Erik | blah |
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| 20:06.32 | ``Erik | huh, billy mays is dead. no more screaming infomercials o.O |
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| 22:25.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34892 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: archer menu button cleanup |
| 22:26.50 | brlcad | ~seen pacman87_ |
| 22:26.54 | ibot | pacman87_ is currently on #brlcad, last said: 'GNU Make 3.81'. |
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| 22:57.01 | Ralith | lots of people dying lately |
| 22:57.27 | Ralith | okay, hm. |
| 22:57.34 | Ralith | I have an idea wrt. the Qt/Ogre conflict |
| 22:57.40 | Ralith | but I can't work out how to do it without modifying Qt. |
| 22:58.27 | Ralith | and I don't really think that's a great plan, unless there's some sort of reassurance that it'll get accepted upstream |
| 22:58.43 | Ralith | 'cuz one of the advantages of Qt was that it's already on most systems, and if we need to build a custom version anyway... |
| 23:01.24 | Ralith | although, come to think of it, I might be able to work out an Ogre-centric approach based on this idea, if I can work out how to manually do the stuff QApplication does, because I don't think it'd be compatible. |
| 23:01.32 | Ralith | brlcad: did you mention you knew something about doing that? |
| 23:20.34 | starseeker | brlcad: sorry, forgot to get NEWS file |
| 23:20.56 | starseeker | is recovering from another round of house hunting |
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| 11:14.14 | d-lo | merinin all! |
| 11:17.53 | d-lo | Ralith: How goes the conflict resolution? |
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| 13:44.22 | brlcad | hi elena! |
| 13:44.27 | brlcad | welcome back |
| 13:44.29 | elena | hi. |
| 13:44.32 | elena | thank you. |
| 13:44.40 | brlcad | have a good trip? |
| 13:44.44 | elena | yes. |
| 13:44.55 | elena | I was just about to ask some help here :) |
| 13:45.02 | elena | but first, how are you? |
| 13:52.05 | brlcad | i'm doing great, had a fantastic weekend |
| 13:52.28 | elena | wonderfull. I'm glad to hear that. |
| 13:52.45 | brlcad | wonderful wine tasting event and dinner with friends on saturday, latino festival on sunday :) |
| 13:53.03 | elena | that sounds very nice. |
| 13:53.24 | elena | what kind of festival? |
| 13:53.42 | elena | I mean: dancing, food, etc? |
| 13:53.45 | brlcad | yeah |
| 13:53.56 | elena | ok. |
| 13:54.14 | brlcad | concerts going, lots of great food, music, dancing |
| 13:54.40 | brlcad | the wine tasting was aboslutely spectacular, a real highlight |
| 13:54.41 | elena | in your town or traveling? |
| 13:54.54 | brlcad | in baltimore |
| 13:56.27 | elena | do you have time to give me some tips on raytraceing models? |
| 13:57.46 | brlcad | sure, is this for generating pictures? |
| 13:58.02 | elena | yes. |
| 13:58.25 | elena | I'm not sure if I should use mged and the rt command |
| 13:58.35 | brlcad | that's probably the best way |
| 13:58.36 | elena | or only the rt tool. |
| 13:58.48 | elena | ok. then I know how to do it. |
| 13:58.55 | brlcad | running through mged will make it a little easier to set up the view |
| 13:59.03 | elena | yes. exactly. |
| 13:59.09 | elena | another problem. |
| 13:59.59 | elena | is there a way to setup the view size so that it best fits the model? |
| 14:00.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:00.14 | brlcad | was just going to comment on that |
| 14:00.16 | brlcad | yes and no |
| 14:00.24 | brlcad | the 'autoview' command fits the model to the view |
| 14:00.33 | brlcad | but it does a guarantee fit, not necessarily a best fit |
| 14:00.43 | elena | that's ok. |
| 14:00.50 | brlcad | you'll probably want to run "zoom 2" on everything being rendered |
| 14:00.51 | elena | i didn't know about autoview. |
| 14:01.05 | elena | ok. i'll do some tests. |
| 14:01.17 | brlcad | if there is nothing displayed, and you 'draw'/'e' something up, it'll autoview automatically |
| 14:01.26 | elena | i tried some hacks with grouping objects. not very successful. |
| 14:02.13 | elena | and I was thinking to do something like: |
| 14:02.16 | elena | draw * |
| 14:02.20 | brlcad | oh, no |
| 14:02.23 | elena | rt -o model.pix |
| 14:02.24 | brlcad | don't do that :) |
| 14:02.28 | elena | why? |
| 14:02.37 | brlcad | "draw *" is very bad |
| 14:02.39 | elena | and what's the alternative. |
| 14:02.47 | elena | ? |
| 14:03.08 | brlcad | that means draw every single object and shape in the database |
| 14:03.09 | elena | because it draws all objects? |
| 14:03.20 | elena | yes. |
| 14:03.29 | elena | what's the alternative? |
| 14:03.52 | elena | so I have a database that the user uploaded. |
| 14:04.09 | elena | and I want to get the images from different angles. |
| 14:04.22 | brlcad | so if the objects were text, and a word is a union of the letters, and a phrase is a grouping of multiple words, like "Hello world" |
| 14:04.31 | elena | I'll use ae to set the angle, autoview to fit the object. |
| 14:05.06 | elena | go on... |
| 14:05.28 | brlcad | saying "draw *" is effectively, "draw H", "draw e", "draw l", "draw l", "draw o", "draw ' '", "draw Hello", "draw world", "draw Hello world" |
| 14:06.05 | brlcad | it's everything including all uses and groupings .. not what you want, you want just the last one "draw Hello world" |
| 14:07.00 | brlcad | moreover with brl-cad geometries, our format supports an arbitrary number of models per file, so there could be lots of 'main' objects, not necessarily just one |
| 14:07.18 | brlcad | to find a starting point, you run the "tops" command |
| 14:07.22 | brlcad | that lists the top-level objects |
| 14:07.41 | brlcad | normally, one or more of those is a primary |
| 14:07.57 | elena | and draw that. |
| 14:08.01 | elena | ok. makes sence. |
| 14:08.01 | brlcad | right |
| 14:08.22 | elena | can I do draw and tops in one command? |
| 14:08.33 | elena | something like draw `tops` ? |
| 14:08.40 | brlcad | you can, but you also don't want that |
| 14:08.45 | elena | i think I can. I'll look. |
| 14:08.49 | brlcad | that would imply they had something to do with each other |
| 14:08.52 | elena | no? why? |
| 14:09.02 | brlcad | they're top-level because they are independent |
| 14:09.05 | elena | you're reading my thoughts before I type :) |
| 14:09.21 | brlcad | .g files are collections of trees of geometries. |
| 14:09.35 | brlcad | there may be one tree, there may be twenty trees |
| 14:09.48 | elena | how would you approach this? |
| 14:09.48 | brlcad | you've seen the example .g files, yes? |
| 14:09.53 | elena | yes. |
| 14:10.17 | brlcad | I could very trivially combine them all into one single .g file and it would be perfectly valid |
| 14:10.34 | brlcad | there'd just be a lot of top-level objects |
| 14:10.52 | elena | that will alter the db, too, right? |
| 14:11.01 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 14:12.01 | brlcad | i mean those 20+ separate files are only separated by convention, I could combine them together and it's a valid .g |
| 14:12.13 | elena | in mged. if I do a group. |
| 14:12.30 | elena | that group will instantly be saved in the database. |
| 14:12.34 | brlcad | i mean literally, you can "cat *.g > everything.g" .. bad thing to do, but entirley valid |
| 14:12.51 | elena | I didn't know that. |
| 14:13.05 | brlcad | creating a group in mged is a different thing altogether -- that basically creates a new top-level object |
| 14:13.13 | brlcad | and if the things you're grouping were top-level, they no longer are |
| 14:13.50 | brlcad | it's a set of directed acyclic graphs, with named references |
| 14:14.04 | elena | but in our case, the user will upload only one file. |
| 14:14.22 | brlcad | one _file_ .. but that file could be anything |
| 14:14.34 | elena | cool. let me play some more with what you told me and I'll get back. |
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| 14:14.44 | brlcad | so you're going to have to either just import all top-level objects |
| 14:14.52 | elena | i'll buzz you or cliff some more if I don't manage it myself. |
| 14:14.54 | brlcad | or have the user specify which object to import |
| 14:15.28 | brlcad | you definitely should not be creating groups or geometry |
| 14:15.43 | elena | yes. I imagine that. |
| 14:16.03 | elena | this is why I was looking for the autoview-style solution also. |
| 14:16.19 | brlcad | for safety, you may even want to store the files as read-only, 444 or something |
| 14:16.43 | elena | i'll look into that, too. |
| 14:17.18 | elena | i think i lost some time trying to make a lot of customizations that proved not that important. |
| 14:17.33 | elena | on the processing queue part. |
| 14:17.57 | elena | but they led to a simpler solution :) |
| 14:18.01 | brlcad | here's a good example, if you look at the havoc.g example file .. and run tops |
| 14:18.07 | brlcad | you'll see there are three top-level objects |
| 14:18.16 | brlcad | BRL-GSI_EFFORT/ havoc/ sun/R |
| 14:18.45 | brlcad | you don't know which of those is important without asking the user |
| 14:19.03 | brlcad | so you either import all three, or have the user prompt (in this case, havoc is the important one) |
| 14:19.28 | brlcad | prompting is probably best as the important object is often not even a top-level |
| 14:19.48 | elena | but if i have a different format |
| 14:19.51 | brlcad | the m35.g file is another good example |
| 14:20.09 | elena | then that might not have objects in it. |
| 14:20.14 | brlcad | 8 top-level objects: 2 assemblies, 2 primitives, 4 regions |
| 14:20.41 | brlcad | all formats have at least one object in them :) |
| 14:21.02 | brlcad | it's just many are actually contrained to exactly one object, |
| 14:21.16 | elena | what is _GLOBAL? |
| 14:21.19 | brlcad | like the stl file format, one object |
| 14:21.24 | brlcad | it's a non-geometric object |
| 14:21.30 | brlcad | file attributes |
| 14:21.40 | elena | aha. |
| 14:21.44 | brlcad | stores things like title and the working units |
| 14:21.52 | elena | ok. thank you for your help. |
| 14:23.21 | brlcad | no problemo, keep the questions coming |
| 14:23.57 | elena | :) |
| 14:34.21 | mafm | hi |
| 14:34.54 | elena | hi |
| 14:36.35 | brlcad | hi |
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| 14:47.24 | starseeker | hey elena |
| 14:47.39 | elena | hi starseeker. |
| 14:47.46 | d-lo | hi! |
| 14:47.52 | starseeker | welcome back :-) |
| 14:47.57 | elena | thank you :) |
| 14:48.13 | elena | how have you been? |
| 14:48.26 | elena | hi d-lo. |
| 14:51.48 | d-lo | WIth all this greeting action happening, I just had to get in on it. |
| 14:51.58 | starseeker | would actually recommend requiring the user to specify at least one named "primary" db object, or example, or something like that |
| 14:52.02 | elena | :)) |
| 14:53.33 | starseeker | or, since user laziness usually wins, grab the tops list, generate some default raytraces, and present them a list of images asking them to select the correct toplevel images |
| 14:53.40 | elena | will that work with other formats, too? |
| 14:53.51 | starseeker | hard to say |
| 14:54.28 | brlcad | that'll for for most all formats simply because we're a superset format |
| 14:54.30 | starseeker | logically speaking, the first thing to check is whether there is a toplevel object named <filename> if the file is called filename.g |
| 14:54.44 | elena | what would be the purpose of creating a top object if you don't use it in the final render? |
| 14:54.46 | starseeker | (e.g. havoc in havoc.g) |
| 14:55.06 | starseeker | sometimes you want to quickly show different aspects of a design |
| 14:55.17 | brlcad | starseeker: that's more the exception than the rule, depends which org/person is modeling |
| 14:55.39 | brlcad | for a decade, the convention was to group your primary into an "all.g" object |
| 14:55.59 | starseeker | models can get very complex, and if you want to show someone just "this part, this part, and this part" multiple times in different situations it's a quick and easy way to have it available |
| 14:56.16 | starseeker | brlcad: that's unfortuante, really - it would be a very logical convention |
| 14:57.18 | starseeker | elena: then in that case I'd suggest presenting the user with visuals of the top level objects and let them tell you which ones to pay attention to :-/ |
| 14:57.56 | elena | ok. i'll try to do that. |
| 14:58.20 | elena | then submitting has to be a two step process. |
| 14:58.25 | brlcad | starseeker: remember the filename can vary drastically (stryker_dlo_20040329.g) too .. I wouldn't assume anything based on filename |
| 14:58.37 | brlcad | you can't even really assume it's a top-level you want, but that's a good starting point |
| 14:58.45 | elena | first submit the file, then (next step) select the object names. |
| 14:58.47 | brlcad | elena: what you could do is simply show them the hierarchy |
| 14:58.50 | brlcad | let them pick the point |
| 14:59.03 | brlcad | for simple formats, it's just an object, or list of objects |
| 14:59.06 | d-lo | will ignore the stryker comment... :P |
| 14:59.26 | brlcad | for hierarchical formats, you display a collapsed tree |
| 14:59.54 | elena | maybe multiple select? |
| 14:59.58 | brlcad | sure |
| 15:00.03 | elena | ok. |
| 15:00.07 | brlcad | but selecting selects that entire subtree |
| 15:00.15 | elena | yes. |
| 15:00.46 | brlcad | hm, actually there's no real need to impose that limitation .. it's just whatever nodes they select |
| 15:01.22 | elena | yes. it's more in tone with the hello world example :) |
| 15:03.23 | brlcad | chuckles that dlo is the name of an ipod/iphone accessory manufacturer, particularly in the context of stryker |
| 15:03.38 | brlcad | and then there's the stryker sonoma winery ;) |
| 15:04.46 | d-lo | wha.... I'm getting a lawyer! They stolededed my irc handle! |
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| 15:34.34 | starseeker | d-lo: so with a lawyer, you'll be both broke and annoyed rather than just annoyed? ;-) |
| 15:35.26 | d-lo | lol nice. unless... wait a minute.... a close relative ISA lawyer and owes me a favor.... hrm..... |
| 15:36.30 | d-lo | visualizes himself standing ontop of a burning, ruined building which use to be 'dlo HQ - makers of iPhone/iPod accessories"... |
| 15:38.06 | ``Erik | heh, 'cept dlo.com is a subsidiary of phillips |
| 15:38.33 | d-lo | orly? Phillips wants some too eh? |
| 15:38.38 | ``Erik | imagines they might have a bit of legal flex :D plus going back to '01 |
| 15:39.37 | d-lo | i can see it now on /. : Philips Legal dept gets omgwtfpwnd by loudmouth government employee.... |
| 15:39.44 | d-lo | =D |
| 15:40.42 | ``Erik | given the accuracy of /. headlines and summaries, that might be posted |
| 15:41.12 | ``Erik | that bug totally owned that speeding car, look at that ugly greasemark on the grill! PWN3d!#~@ |
| 15:41.38 | louipc | why not just ask the user what object he/she wants to use for the preview pic? |
| 15:42.13 | starseeker | still has not forgiven slashdot for that premature/wrong announcement of the original Apollo 11 tapes turning up |
| 15:42.22 | starseeker | talk about a letdown... |
| 15:42.34 | louipc | hah |
| 15:43.26 | starseeker | bets they were erased and re-used - sounds just like "policy" on such tapes... heck with history, it's the policy and we're following it |
| 15:43.33 | d-lo | lol |
| 15:44.15 | d-lo | at the viewing of those Apollo 11 tapes, somehow pron ends up on the overhead screen....lol |
| 15:44.30 | starseeker | that really does suck big time - one of the great events in the history of human beings AS A SPECIES and they went missing |
| 15:44.31 | ``Erik | was just thinking that o.O |
| 15:44.34 | starseeker | cries |
| 15:45.09 | d-lo | starseeker: didn't you hear? thats tnhe main reason we are going back in 2020... gotta remake the tapes. |
| 15:45.13 | ``Erik | "houston, apogee attained, now firin*TSSHT* uhh uhhh uhhh oh yeah uhhh" |
| 15:45.33 | d-lo | Apollo 11... is that a funky saxaphone? |
| 15:45.53 | louipc | yeah you'd think they'd save something like that |
| 15:46.33 | starseeker | still wants to figure out some way to spend a decade or two with the Saturn V technical archives and a wide format scanner in his retirement years... |
| 15:47.06 | ``Erik | and then model it down to the bolt threads? |
| 15:47.24 | starseeker | you got it |
| 15:47.40 | d-lo | ...for the hallibut? |
| 15:48.00 | ``Erik | biggest cadpeen ever |
| 15:49.12 | starseeker | thinks such an accomplishment is worth documenting in detail |
| 15:49.45 | louipc | well, it's on paper :D |
| 15:49.57 | starseeker | louipc: my point exactly :-/ |
| 15:50.32 | ``Erik | paper isn't what it used to be, 60's paper and ink are probably already in bad shape :/ |
| 15:50.38 | starseeker | and everything I've see suggests that the filing system used is probably.... well... I guess we'll got with inadequate |
| 15:50.48 | ``Erik | acidic paper eats itself up |
| 15:50.52 | ``Erik | ask tufte O.o |
| 15:51.25 | louipc | so this is something you probably want to do now, rather than wait for retirement... |
| 15:52.39 | starseeker | louipc: I have no clue how to get the funding it would take to do that, even assuming they would let me... |
| 15:53.53 | starseeker | plus, I've got a few things to do first :-) |
| 15:54.07 | starseeker | doesn't want to model a Saturn V with mged as a modeler... |
| 15:54.24 | louipc | haha |
| 15:54.41 | louipc | yeah but the scanning will be enough work |
| 15:54.51 | starseeker | that's for sure |
| 15:55.02 | d-lo | modling it by hand would be faster :) |
| 15:55.17 | d-lo | holey bad speling dai batman... |
| 15:55.26 | ``Erik | sure you do, perfect way to isolate usability issues in the interface and fix 'em :D |
| 15:56.21 | starseeker | the stages would be 1. high res scan every sheet of paper related 2. invent an organizational scheme that would actually work and sort everything into it 3. recruit the internet to make svg versions of the 2d drawings so you can actually work with 'em 4. cad model that baby |
| 15:56.26 | brlcad | starseeker: more than likely, it's like our taps -- there's a bigass stack of a couple hundred sitting off in some room, maybe a summer intern or two worked on archiving, but mostly still gestating |
| 15:56.41 | brlcad | s/taps/tapes/ |
| 15:56.58 | ``Erik | crowdsourcing, pheer |
| 15:57.00 | starseeker | brlcad: fingers crossed - if that's the case they might yet be found |
| 15:57.44 | brlcad | I doubt they're actually "lost" .. there's probably just only two or three people that know where they're at, just like ours :) |
| 15:57.58 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:57.59 | starseeker | ``Erik: inkscape + 2000 space nerds with no social life - that's a force to be respected ;-) |
| 15:58.36 | starseeker | expensive part is a wide format scanner plus the manhours of scanning required |
| 15:59.04 | starseeker | wonders why he didn't think of trying to get that into the stimulus bill... |
| 15:59.06 | ``Erik | just a few years ago, they found the french commission papers for the two "english" ships captain kidd had taken, supposedly proof that he was a legal privateer and not a pirate O.o misplaced media is a bitch |
| 15:59.33 | starseeker | heh |
| 15:59.55 | ``Erik | hung because someone misfiled a paper |
| 15:59.59 | louipc | you have to get into NASA before step 1 |
| 16:00.20 | starseeker | louipc: actually, their records are part of the public archives now (at least from that era) |
| 16:00.24 | starseeker | some of them, anyway |
| 16:00.32 | louipc | oh cool |
| 16:01.22 | starseeker | check out this dude's site: http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/ |
| 16:02.00 | ``Erik | nasa doesn't have the budget or impetus to be very secretive O.o they mostly use russian agencies for lifting these days heh |
| 16:03.12 | starseeker | specifically, http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/QuestForInfo.html |
| 16:04.26 | starseeker | he's done some Really Impressive Work digging up info |
| 16:05.06 | starseeker | the government archives are beyond doubt repositories of lots of really neat historical treasures that nobody knows how to find and nobody cares enough to sort through |
| 16:10.59 | ``Erik | shoulda brought in a tv dinner |
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| 16:14.25 | jdoliner | sean slash indianlarry, or anyone else who's interested. Would you be help me with an algorithm here? |
| 16:14.35 | jdoliner | I'm kind of stuck |
| 16:15.19 | ``Erik | what algo? |
| 16:15.59 | jdoliner | unfortunately I don't have the name so I'll have to describe it |
| 16:16.12 | ``Erik | psuedocode in pastebin? |
| 16:16.26 | jdoliner | pastebin? |
| 16:16.51 | jdoliner | it's more I need help devising the algorithm |
| 16:16.56 | ``Erik | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 16:16.59 | ``Erik | ah, ok |
| 16:17.06 | ``Erik | shuts up and listens |
| 16:18.15 | jdoliner | so I have my code all setup to take two meshes, and return as polylines the trimming curves between them |
| 16:19.06 | jdoliner | so that's nice and all but know I need to talk that polyline and use it to split each mesh into two meshes, the one inside the other mesh and the one outside |
| 16:19.11 | jdoliner | and I' |
| 16:19.14 | jdoliner | m not sure |
| 16:19.21 | jdoliner | of the best way to do that |
| 16:19.36 | jdoliner | do you think it's a better idea to do it afterward using the polyline |
| 16:20.10 | ``Erik | by "mesh", you don't mean a mesh, but a NURBS, right? |
| 16:21.22 | jdoliner | no I mean an ON_Mesh |
| 16:21.52 | jdoliner | it's still discrete geometry at this point and not parametric |
| 16:21.53 | ``Erik | painkillers have me fuzzy, here, I'll throw something at the back of indianlarrys head |
| 16:22.33 | ``Erik | if it's triangles, any line cutting through a triangle will produce 2 triangles... I d'no ON_Mesh |
| 16:22.46 | indianlarry | hey joe |
| 16:22.48 | jdoliner | it's triangles or quads |
| 16:22.49 | jdoliner | hi |
| 16:23.02 | indianlarry | catchin up... |
| 16:23.27 | jdoliner | but lines don't necessarily cut all the way through on a triangle |
| 16:23.36 | ``Erik | (wait, some lines will produce a quad, but those can be broken into two triangles) |
| 16:23.46 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 16:24.18 | jdoliner | but you could also have a triangle broken up by not just one line but a whole bunch of little lines |
| 16:24.37 | jdoliner | if for example one mesh has much smaller details than the other |
| 16:25.22 | ``Erik | by casting vertex to vertex, you can cut polygons into triangles |
| 16:26.32 | ``Erik | do it recursively and you have a fully triangulated mesh *shrug* but the vicodin has me goofy, indianlarry will come up with something brilliant here... |
| 16:26.33 | jdoliner | yes, on of my ideas involves doing that |
| 16:27.24 | indianlarry | definitely need resolution to capture the smallest details |
| 16:27.51 | indianlarry | we are currently working similar issue with nurbs trims |
| 16:27.54 | ``Erik | (mebbe an aggressive splitting algo followed by a decimation pass?) |
| 16:28.07 | jdoliner | no I'm not |
| 16:28.30 | jdoliner | oh you are sry |
| 16:28.48 | jdoliner | so here's my one idea which I think could work |
| 16:29.19 | jdoliner | right now I have it all setup to find every intersection line |
| 16:29.28 | jdoliner | load it into an array |
| 16:29.45 | jdoliner | and then at the end it goes through and reconstructs these into the polylines |
| 16:30.05 | jdoliner | now instead of doing exactly that |
| 16:30.39 | jdoliner | I can keep track of which faces the lines came from |
| 16:31.09 | jdoliner | by loading them into arrays for each face |
| 16:31.16 | indianlarry | i would think you'd want to track which face it belongs too |
| 16:32.17 | indianlarry | need to remember that trimming edges within a face have to show direction/inner/outer |
| 16:32.18 | jdoliner | yeah then when I run my algorithm on the lines from each seperate face. I get a polyline that indicates exactly how each face should be split up |
| 16:32.31 | jdoliner | yes that's my question |
| 16:32.35 | jdoliner | how should I do that |
| 16:32.37 | jdoliner | ? |
| 16:33.04 | indianlarry | just thinking out loud |
| 16:33.43 | jdoliner | well I can test points for being inside or outside the meshes |
| 16:33.46 | indianlarry | if your intersection coisides with an outer edge at any point the intersection becomes an outer edge ? |
| 16:33.58 | indianlarry | sorry coincides |
| 16:34.17 | jdoliner | sry I don't follow |
| 16:34.23 | jdoliner | waht do you mean by outer edge |
| 16:34.24 | jdoliner | ? |
| 16:34.56 | indianlarry | guess your working with simple faces which only have an outer trim? |
| 16:35.05 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 16:36.10 | indianlarry | a corner intersecting a face could still produce an inner loop? |
| 16:36.28 | jdoliner | yes |
| 16:38.10 | jdoliner | so one option that I see |
| 16:38.31 | jdoliner | is that I can pretty easily test a point for being inside our outside a mesh |
| 16:38.52 | jdoliner | it just takes linear time with the number of triangles |
| 16:39.07 | jdoliner | (which is kinda big) |
| 16:39.14 | jdoliner | but once I have that point |
| 16:39.20 | jdoliner | then anything that's connected to it |
| 16:40.18 | jdoliner | is also on the same side of the mesh |
| 16:41.45 | jdoliner | so we would really only need to do one point per connected region which isn't so unreasonable |
| 16:43.24 | indianlarry | do brep meshes have trim loops or do they just get subdivided into smaller meshes |
| 16:44.15 | jdoliner | they do not have trim loops |
| 16:44.29 | indianlarry | okay |
| 16:47.58 | indianlarry | you'd thnk there wold be a way to track edge direction to help out here |
| 16:49.11 | indianlarry | ust keep visualizing the corner into the center of a face problem |
| 16:50.39 | jdoliner | k, will do |
| 16:50.48 | indianlarry | each facet or quad has defined outward pointing normal? |
| 16:51.08 | jdoliner | yes, by right hand rule |
| 16:51.35 | jdoliner | hmm |
| 16:51.58 | jdoliner | I think I need to look back at my lower level functions |
| 16:52.41 | indianlarry | each facet or quad that is intersected could then be subdivided into inside outside? |
| 16:52.48 | jdoliner | I bet that they consistantly indicate something with the direction the resultant edge points |
| 16:53.07 | indianlarry | thats how they do it with the nurbs trims |
| 16:54.21 | indianlarry | you could almost create your own polyline trimming loops |
| 16:56.00 | jdoliner | yeah I think I can |
| 16:56.08 | jdoliner | I mean I think that's what my code in the present state does |
| 16:56.26 | indianlarry | need to keep the loops by face then inner/outter |
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| 16:58.08 | jdoliner | oh here's an interesting fact: |
| 16:58.51 | jdoliner | if we intersect triangles abc and def |
| 16:59.37 | jdoliner | then the dot product of (d-a) and the normal of abc is positive if d is on the external side of abc |
| 17:03.06 | indianlarry | just tells you which side d is on holds for any point |
| 17:05.29 | jdoliner | yeah, it only indicates ternality if there's nothing intersecting def between the line that abc leaves and d |
| 17:08.58 | indianlarry | if you store the intersect polyline by face you should be able to use it with right-hand-rule to subdivide you facets/mesh |
| 17:10.00 | indianlarry | if polyline intersects face edge its an outer type loop otherwise an inner loop |
| 18:01.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34894 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 18:01.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added needed data to allow poseable left arm, with connected parts and joints. |
| 18:01.33 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Bounding boxes for those limbs have been removed until a better method is devised. |
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| 18:26.11 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34895 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/cc.c: cc : input from commandline rather than hardcoded data |
| 19:00.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34896 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/Makefile.am: we needed the mged_LINK in order to override LDFLAGS when we had a custom tk, but that's not the case any longer. problem came up where we needed one of the globally set LDFLAGS. |
| 19:04.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34897 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: |
| 19:04.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: apply a fugly workaround for the Mac OS X 10.5 linker problem whereby it fails |
| 19:04.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: saying 'ld: cycle in dylib re-exports with /usr/X11/lib/libGL.dylib'. the |
| 19:04.42 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: problem appears to be the glx internals making calls into the GL framework, |
| 19:04.44 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: which ends up finding the wrong (same) dylib during load. the 'fix' is to tell |
| 19:04.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: it exactly where the framework dylib lives, which is done via a project-wide |
| 19:04.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: LDFLAGS so we don't have to pollute all the places it would be needed. |
| 19:44.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34898 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: mged rotation halts after a few events once a model is e'd up and you zoom in/out (at least with mouse). seems to be specific to mac 10.5 |
| 19:45.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34899 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: kill command (and probably others) in archer is horked. |
| 20:07.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34900 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: mged crashes inside X_choose_visual() with default X11 libdm interface on mac os x 10.5 (fbserv seemed to be fine) |
| 20:56.41 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34901 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 20:56.42 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Created a new function for creating the entire left arm, allowing for the arm to pivot |
| 20:56.44 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: around the shoulder joint, and have all connected parts of the arm point in the same |
| 20:56.46 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: direction. |
| 21:33.33 | elena | how can I ran multiple mged commands from the command line? |
| 21:33.56 | elena | something like mged -cr something.g "tops;tops" |
| 21:37.31 | elena | I got it. |
| 21:39.26 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r34902 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/brlcad.module: Update BRL-CAD module (raytracing code is work in progress). |
| 21:40.03 | brlcad | something exactly like that |
| 21:40.43 | elena | i only got it working with echo -e tops\\ntops | mged -cr something.g |
| 21:41.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1517 10/wiki/More_Changelog: /* June, 17 - today */ |
| 21:41.38 | elena | going to bed. have a great afternoon. |
| 22:06.19 | mafm | uh |
| 22:06.34 | mafm | elena working in raytracing code? |
| 22:07.02 | louipc | to generate preview images for the model repository |
| 22:07.15 | mafm | oh |
| 22:07.30 | mafm | I was getting worried about creating a raytracer in php or something :P |
| 22:07.43 | louipc | bahhah |
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| 22:08.14 | mafm | brl-cad web on esteroids :P |
| 22:08.25 | ``Erik | raytracer in javascript, pheer |
| 22:10.57 | mafm | :D |
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| 23:01.12 | Ralith_ | d-lo: I've got several ideas, although my first hacks didn't pan out. |
| 23:01.30 | Ralith_ | they're just getting increasingly nontrivial and equally not guaranteed to success |
| 23:03.38 | ``Erik | anything guaranteed to succeed is boring O.o d-lo probably won't see this for another 12 hours or so, though |
| 23:10.09 | Ralith | true enough |
| 23:11.16 | louipc | what is guaranteed to success? |
| 23:15.28 | ``Erik | bets he could write "hello world" and get it to compile the very first time :D |
| 23:17.22 | mafm | ``Erik: but it will be buggy! http://www.ddj.com/hpc-high-performance-computing/217801225 |
| 23:18.03 | ``Erik | that's too much reading for me, I'm illiterate |
| 23:18.35 | starseeker | Ralith: have you considered contacting the Qt folks to see if they can steer you towards the parts working the reset magic? |
| 23:19.09 | mafm | (erm, page 2, about errors of "hello world" programs in C) |
| 23:19.10 | mafm | :D |
| 23:19.28 | starseeker | might also be a good opener if we need to propose some changes to include in the next Qt |
| 23:19.39 | mafm | that's fine ``Erik, you just reminded me about the recently read article |
| 23:19.52 | Ralith | starseeker: I found lots of magic-looking code in QGraphicsView::render, but I'm not sure I can use it without modifying Qt |
| 23:19.56 | Ralith | which seems like a worst-case. |
| 23:20.05 | ``Erik | who said C? :D |
| 23:20.13 | Ralith | QGraphicsScene* |
| 23:20.43 | Ralith | then again, perhaps I could simply introduce some redundancy... |
| 23:21.25 | starseeker | Ralith: redundancy? |
| 23:21.50 | Ralith | starseeker: the big block of setup code in the render function might be practical to extract into the g3d code. |
| 23:21.58 | starseeker | ah |
| 23:22.06 | starseeker | might do for a start, certainly |
| 23:22.12 | starseeker | especially if it works ;-) |
| 23:22.13 | Ralith | my original thought was to slightly rework Qt itself to do that without the redundancy |
| 23:22.25 | louipc | haha writeln |
| 23:22.27 | Ralith | but that'd undesirable and I now realise perhaps unnecessary |
| 23:22.39 | starseeker | nods |
| 23:22.53 | starseeker | we've already got Ogre back in svn, so that's the easier mod target to start with |
| 23:23.19 | Ralith | and one of the nice things about using Qt is that many already have it installed; using a customized version negates that. |
| 23:24.00 | starseeker | I wouldn't be afraid of redundancy at this stage - if it works we can try to work with Qt/Ogre to find the "correct/pretty" way later |
| 23:24.31 | Ralith | yeah. |
| 23:24.47 | starseeker | drags self off to gym |
| 23:25.19 | mafm | ``Erik: probably the guy who wrote the article can find bugs in any other languages, given the length of the "lecture" about errors in C hello world programs :) |
| 23:29.43 | ``Erik | O.o so, uh, checking the return value of a function is... well... ALL of his argument there? weak :) |
| 23:30.32 | Ralith | urgh. |
| 23:30.42 | Ralith | this init code requires stuff only render knows about :/ |
| 23:54.08 | ``Erik | yeesh, goblin sharks are creepy |
| 00:25.54 | alecs1 | did I read Qt here? an interface replacing mged written with Qt? |
| 00:26.24 | alecs1 | fabulous |
| 00:27.49 | Ralith | indeed |
| 00:27.53 | Ralith | if the thing'll cooperate with ogre. |
| 00:30.14 | alecs1 | I wish you best of luck then; found you brl wiki page with google |
| 00:30.20 | alecs1 | I'll keep an eye on it |
| 00:30.28 | alecs1 | :) |
| 00:31.17 | Ralith | thanks |
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| 07:43.40 | elena | do you know why mged outputs text to stderr when in console mode? |
| 07:43.46 | elena | i use 7.10.4 |
| 07:46.16 | elena | i ran mged -cr something.g tops |
| 07:46.47 | elena | it displays: Opened in READ ONLY mode and the top objects. |
| 07:46.58 | elena | but on stderr. |
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| 11:06.13 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
| 11:06.17 | d-lo | *READREADREAD* |
| 11:07.31 | d-lo | Ralith: Whats the possibility of getting you to write up short blurbs about your ideas/approaches and dropping them in your log on the wiki? |
| 11:09.07 | d-lo | Ralith: I haven't taken a look at your problem (in code) so I have no idea how complex it would be to extend the Qt Class with the problem with your own homebrew. |
| 11:11.11 | d-lo | starseeker: Going to the gym nowadays? Rock on! |
| 11:13.05 | d-lo | ``Erik: Agreed. Goblinsharks are something straight out of a horror flick. |
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| 11:40.34 | magesing | Hi everyone, Suppose I have modelled a part, and now I want to make a manufacturing drawing so that I can machine it... How do I make the drawing and apply GD&T in BRL-CAD? |
| 11:41.48 | louipc | magesing: brl-cad doesn't have that capability |
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| 11:43.09 | magesing | louipc: hmm... that's a shame |
| 11:44.47 | magesing | Doesn't that kindof limit the utility of brl-cad as a CAD/CAM package? What's the use of designing a part if I have no way of transferring that data to the shop-floor? |
| 11:44.50 | louipc | yeah I'd like to see brl-cad more capable for drafting... but there needs to be willing and able developers to do that |
| 11:45.49 | magesing | hmm... I wonder what would be involved... Is it currently possible to render views of parts with visible edges solid and hidden edges dashed? |
| 11:45.50 | louipc | yeah it totally limits brl-cad |
| 11:46.51 | louipc | i'm not too sure about that one |
| 11:47.40 | louipc | you would still need some kind of draft editor, I don't trust computer generated drawings |
| 11:48.12 | magesing | if that is possible, then it's just a matter of writing a script to generate three orthographic views, then use some sort of external editor to add annotations |
| 11:49.20 | magesing | probably easiest to make a series of tools for inkscape or the gimp to add the annotations to a monochrome drawing |
| 11:50.35 | louipc | brlcad already has 2d sketch objects |
| 11:50.46 | louipc | something from that could be used |
| 11:57.41 | magesing | louipc: "The rtedge and rthide commands are used for hidden-line renderings similarr to what you'd want for generating drafting documents." --http://brlcad.org/wiki/FAQ |
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| 11:58.38 | magesing | i.e. I can generate images with rt-edge and rt-hide then use the image editor of my choice to annotate the drawings |
| 12:10.21 | louipc | I'd opt for different cad software if I had to do that for every drawing though. heh |
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| 13:51.38 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34903 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Added movement support for the right arm, and made a single function for creating an arm, instead of one for left and right sides. |
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| 15:20.08 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34904 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Added poseable leg support, up to the thigh and calf, and made a makeleg function to create them. |
| 15:23.41 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34905 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/killrefs.c: Update comments. |
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| 16:32.14 | ``Erik | effin' made me get a cast |
| 16:54.59 | indianlarry | /sb/ goto -40 |
| 16:55.07 | indianlarry | oops |
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| 17:24.46 | alecs1 | hi, archer fails to start with the following error: ERROR: Unable to initialize ArcherCore imagery |
| 17:25.03 | alecs1 | what could it be? |
| 17:26.00 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34906 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Mods related to Archer's undo (i.e. override commands that are not yet supported by undo). |
| 17:33.43 | alecs1 | ah, I looked now in the archer script and there is no message like this one |
| 17:34.09 | louipc | odd |
| 17:36.04 | louipc | alecs1: it's in src/tclscripts/archer/LoadArcherLibs.tcl |
| 17:36.06 | alecs1 | I'm doing a search in the source directory; google didn't find any message like this |
| 17:36.32 | alecs1 | thanks, I'll take a look |
| 17:40.07 | alecs1 | do you know what it means? I have next to 0 brl-cad and tcl experience |
| 17:41.05 | ``Erik | archer is a work in progress, not ready for consumption yet, last I heard... you might want to use mged instead |
| 17:41.40 | louipc | looks like it's looking for a tk add-on called 'tkimg' |
| 17:41.48 | louipc | if you're missing that it won't work |
| 17:41.57 | alecs1 | thanks, I didn't know; I'll stick to mged then |
| 17:42.27 | alecs1 | I'll for tkimg then; maybe it helps |
| 17:54.37 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34907 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Added poseable support for all the leg now, including feet. |
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| 18:41.00 | jdoliner | indianlarry you here? |
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| 18:53.55 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34908 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (Archer.tcl ArcherCore.tcl): Modified archer to ask the user to confirm save and revert requests. |
| 19:11.29 | Ralith | louipc: it probably would be pretty easy to do something like rtedge with hidden lines dashed |
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| 20:06.39 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34909 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/pcMathGrammar.h: FunctionGrammar added to the MathGrammar in preparation for Constraint Grammar definition |
| 20:29.45 | elena | starseeker, are you here? |
| 20:38.56 | elena | brlcad? |
| 20:48.01 | ``Erik | I fed them to the pet squirrel |
| 20:48.36 | ``Erik | what's up? |
| 20:48.40 | elena | hopes Erik is kidding |
| 20:48.48 | ``Erik | it's a big squirrel |
| 20:48.53 | elena | :) |
| 20:49.12 | elena | probably got bigger after eating two mens. |
| 20:49.30 | elena | men (no -s) |
| 20:49.52 | ``Erik | boys, ya mean |
| 20:50.00 | ``Erik | sits around being horribly old |
| 20:50.26 | ``Erik | technically, I am a mentor (getting the t-shirt, anyways), is it something I may be able to help with? |
| 20:50.40 | Ralith | solve my ogre/qt problem :D |
| 20:50.48 | elena | i wanted to ask them some suggestions about the metadata that I should/can get from a model. |
| 20:51.01 | ``Erik | ralith: stop using that c++ crap, problem solved :D |
| 20:51.04 | Ralith | :[ |
| 20:51.40 | ``Erik | metadata? hm, title and units are probably the big ones, just be careful of .g files with many models, I'd imagine |
| 20:51.40 | elena | ls -l provides some information about the objects. |
| 20:51.49 | elena | tree about the structure. |
| 20:52.19 | elena | ok. indeed, I forgot about units. |
| 20:52.20 | ``Erik | there're a few different naming conventions that have different meanings, so those might just need to be ignored |
| 20:53.01 | elena | and since you're so kind, I have one curiosity |
| 20:53.28 | elena | i noticed today, that when using the console mode in mged |
| 20:53.28 | elena | output goes to stderr. |
| 20:53.40 | ``Erik | um, once thing ya see in real models that the army uses is there may be 4 seperate toplevel models of a single thing... depending on if it's csg or triangles, and if it's low resolution or high resolution modelling |
| 20:53.50 | elena | should it go to stdout (errors and warnings to stderr) |
| 20:53.56 | ``Erik | by console mode, you mean classic? "mged -c" ? |
| 20:54.00 | elena | yes. |
| 20:54.51 | elena | this is in 7.14 |
| 20:54.52 | ``Erik | output of things like rt should go to stderr, I'd think... mged -c can be used in scripts where you want just the right stuff to go to stdout (sometimes to generate data to massage and feed back into mged) |
| 20:55.10 | elena | i used this |
| 20:55.19 | elena | mged -c something.g tops |
| 20:55.30 | elena | that sent the output to stderr. |
| 20:55.47 | elena | no big problem. just curious about this decision. |
| 20:56.04 | ``Erik | hrm, that doesn't feel right to me, may've been accidently altered with all the libged stuff :/ |
| 20:57.27 | ``Erik | yeah, it all goes to stderr for me, too hmmmmm |
| 20:58.09 | Ralith | shoud be easy enough to fix, right? |
| 20:58.11 | ``Erik | I think that's one to ping brlcad for |
| 20:58.14 | Ralith | should* |
| 20:58.47 | ``Erik | you'd think, but display type stuff is abstracted in twisted ways to cope with the tcl/C schism and stuff |
| 20:58.56 | Ralith | :/ |
| 20:59.23 | ``Erik | and winderz throws a monkeywrench into any simple/clean fd mgmt |
| 20:59.45 | Ralith | damnit windows |
| 21:00.08 | ``Erik | *shrug* windows isn't unix... everything else is unix :) |
| 21:00.45 | ``Erik | I imagine haiku would have its own monkeywrench issues... BRL-CAD is historically a very unix program, starting on 43BSD |
| 21:01.12 | ``Erik | bought his macbook to have a nice unix laptop with a snazzy gui |
| 21:01.57 | Ralith | yeah, but at least haiku would be sane about it. |
| 21:02.11 | Ralith | installed stupmwm to get a snazzy gui |
| 21:02.18 | ``Erik | I d'no, I imagine it'd have, y'know, c++ involved... *duck* :D |
| 21:02.24 | Ralith | :P |
| 21:03.03 | ``Erik | I used to be a big c++ fan, but got away from it and into C in '96-'97, then I got into things like smalltalk and now the c++ mockery of OO annoys me :D |
| 21:03.24 | ``Erik | and it's easier to be negative and insulting than constructive O:-) |
| 21:03.28 | Ralith | is taking quite a liking to common lisp, and thus can sympathize |
| 21:03.32 | Ralith | heh |
| 21:03.42 | ``Erik | yeah, but CL has its own warts |
| 21:04.27 | Ralith | I'm interested. What are they? |
| 21:04.30 | ``Erik | is learning cl, web programming and emacs all at the same time, is apparently mentally masochistic |
| 21:04.42 | Ralith | I have found that emacs and CL go well together |
| 21:04.51 | ``Erik | I dislike the lisp1/lisp2 split, having to say #'func is annoying |
| 21:04.55 | Ralith | and there's a good bit of evidence that CL and webprogramming go well together too |
| 21:05.03 | Ralith | ah yeah, that |
| 21:05.07 | Ralith | it |
| 21:05.19 | Ralith | it's a bit weird and a little inconvenient, but at least it's logical and consistent. |
| 21:05.43 | Ralith | and it certainly is nice to have roomy namespaces. |
| 21:05.49 | ``Erik | the documentation is scattered and poorly formatted, and while the third party stuff is insane in breadth and quality, it lacks a decent centralized search/install mechanism and often lacks any viable documentation |
| 21:06.06 | Ralith | er |
| 21:06.08 | Ralith | asdf-install |
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| 21:06.27 | ``Erik | I used that for quite a bit, but then there're version knots |
| 21:06.35 | Ralith | and the hyperspec seems pretty good doc-wise for me, wrt. cl itself |
| 21:07.07 | Ralith | version knots? |
| 21:07.09 | ``Erik | for example, ucw has many things that are ok from asdf, but some require the cvs/svn/darcs/git version |
| 21:07.19 | Ralith | ah. |
| 21:07.34 | Ralith | that's just a matter of the asdf repo being outdated |
| 21:07.39 | ``Erik | thinks if someone took the clhs, unfuglyd it and allowed user comments, a la php.net, that'd be awesome |
| 21:07.47 | ``Erik | I might do that when I get some free time, in fact |
| 21:07.51 | Ralith | it is ugly, but it works. |
| 21:07.54 | Ralith | that'd be neat! |
| 21:08.25 | ``Erik | it's also not the most newbie friendly community *shrug* |
| 21:08.37 | Ralith | it was probably written near the beginning of html's popularity, and considered 'good enough' as to need no updating since then. |
| 21:08.45 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 21:08.46 | Ralith | hm? I've found #lisp to be a nice enough place. |
| 21:09.08 | Ralith | people are happy to explain concepts and such |
| 21:09.12 | sander^ | Hi.. I saw on sourceforge.net that this project needs developers |
| 21:09.34 | Ralith | sander^: hullo. More dev-work is indeed always good. |
| 21:09.42 | ``Erik | yeah, they're usually decent if you don't ask stupid questions, but you start reading the flame lists and stuff, or try to get a breadcrumb trail started up, ... |
| 21:09.59 | Ralith | breadcrumb trail? |
| 21:10.20 | ``Erik | yeah, the sequence of things to research to get to the next level, that kinda thing |
| 21:10.42 | Ralith | I think CL's main problem, and the main reason for its lack of popularity in this age of python and ruby and such, is that it has no one central community |
| 21:10.50 | ``Erik | once you know you want to go from a to b, they'll help you do that, but they won't say what c is |
| 21:10.51 | sander^ | Ralith, Got any easy tasks I could start doing.. need some help with getting started tho. |
| 21:10.59 | Ralith | sander^: what's your experience? |
| 21:11.46 | Ralith | ``Erik: throw together a prettified hyperspec and back that with a newsfeed and a decent forum, and you might go a good ways towards fixing that. |
| 21:11.46 | ``Erik | sander^: and interests... |
| 21:12.05 | sander^ | Ralith, I know c,java very well.. abit c++.. Im intrested in learning more c++ |
| 21:12.25 | Ralith | sander^: yeah, it's inadvisable to put work in on code that you're not personally invested in; you'll burn out quick. |
| 21:12.47 | Ralith | BRL-CAD is mostly C. |
| 21:12.57 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD is mostly C, a little c++, a smidge of java... a wad of tcl... and some other stuff |
| 21:13.29 | sander^ | I know tcl very well |
| 21:13.40 | ``Erik | oh, I'm so sorry :( |
| 21:13.42 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 21:13.44 | Ralith | hehe |
| 21:13.55 | Ralith | sander^: so, again, what're your interests? |
| 21:13.56 | sander^ | how much is a wad :p? |
| 21:14.03 | Ralith | quite a bit. |
| 21:14.14 | ``Erik | it sounds like you have the background to dig in whereever you want, you just gotta let us know what your interest is :) |
| 21:14.31 | ``Erik | almost all of the MGED gui is tcl/tk with C backing the operations |
| 21:15.07 | Ralith | perhaps archer? |
| 21:15.10 | ``Erik | same with the new archer gui... the ogre/qt experiment is the odd one (and a gsoc project) |
| 21:15.58 | sander^ | I can go with some c programming |
| 21:16.01 | ``Erik | assumes sander^ has compiled and installed BRL-CAD, messed around with it some, raytraced something, etc? |
| 21:16.13 | sander^ | No.. I should do |
| 21:16.26 | sander^ | I just saw the post on sourceforge |
| 21:17.17 | Ralith | but where do your *interests* lie? |
| 21:17.57 | ``Erik | hehehe, this is open source, man, we're not going to TELL you what to do, we're going to help you find what you want to do, then help you go about doing it :D |
| 21:18.37 | ``Erik | effin' A, sf changed stuff around again |
| 21:19.00 | Ralith | it is prettier, though, gotta give them that. |
| 21:20.00 | sander^ | I need to try this program out.. before I can say what my interests are |
| 21:20.08 | Ralith | do that first, then :D |
| 21:20.11 | ``Erik | sander^: consider these 3 urls; http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/TODO http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=105292 http://brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html |
| 21:20.13 | Ralith | afks for a bit |
| 21:20.28 | ``Erik | do the svn co, then glance over them while it compiles or something :) |
| 21:23.24 | sander^ | Where do I find the source or whats the svn checkout url? |
| 21:24.27 | sander^ | Error 500 |
| 21:24.28 | sander^ | We're sorry but we weren't able to process this request. |
| 21:24.35 | sander^ | When I push "source" |
| 21:24.38 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/wiki/SVN |
| 21:24.59 | ``Erik | 500? heh, sf broke their server :( |
| 21:26.51 | ``Erik | you will need automake, libtool, and the X development stuff (as well as a c/c++ compiler). |
| 21:27.23 | ``Erik | once it's checked out, run the "autogen.sh" script, then the usual ./configure && make all install |
| 21:28.11 | ``Erik | (and please, if you see room for improvement on the wiki, ... :) |
| 21:47.43 | sander^ | Why does autogen.sh take that long time? |
| 21:48.09 | ``Erik | because it runs aclocal, autoheader, automake and autoconf |
| 21:48.27 | ``Erik | automake has to find and parse every Makefile.am in the system and generate Makefile.in files |
| 21:49.07 | elena | hei Erik, is there an easy way to supply to commands to mged in command line |
| 21:49.09 | ``Erik | (that's compiling 256 buildsystem files) |
| 21:49.23 | elena | like mged -c something.g "tops; title" |
| 21:49.27 | ``Erik | echo 'cmd 1; cmd 2' | mged -c |
| 21:49.33 | ``Erik | um, I think that can work |
| 21:49.42 | ``Erik | or put it in a script and mged -c blah.g < myscript |
| 21:50.49 | elena | ; didn't seem to work. |
| 21:50.57 | elena | only the last command is executed |
| 21:51.03 | ``Erik | hm, might need to be newlines then :/ |
| 21:51.06 | elena | i was able to do it with echo -e "title\\ntops" | mged -c spheres.g |
| 21:51.31 | elena | it just seemed a bit complicated |
| 21:52.28 | ``Erik | yeah. I thought semicolon was the seperator :/ |
| 21:53.56 | elena | thank you. |
| 21:54.20 | ``Erik | ohhhhhh, wait, classic uses its own parser, not the tcl interpreter |
| 21:54.41 | elena | and? |
| 21:55.16 | ``Erik | ; is the tcl cmd seperator, I d'no if there's one built into the classic mode mged parser |
| 21:55.54 | ``Erik | if you don't give it the -c, it should work, I think |
| 21:56.09 | elena | I need to run it in a batch. |
| 21:56.27 | elena | if I don't give it -c, it goes in bg |
| 21:56.53 | ``Erik | how old is your mged? |
| 21:56.59 | elena | 7.14 |
| 21:57.03 | elena | x86 |
| 21:57.54 | ``Erik | at some point, the default behavior of mged went from going background to staying in the fg, in support of various WM's |
| 21:57.58 | elena | hmm. same happens in non-classical mode, too |
| 21:58.05 | elena | i start mged |
| 21:58.06 | ``Erik | yeah, feb of '08 |
| 21:58.10 | ``Erik | 30246 |
| 21:58.25 | elena | in the command win i type tops;title and only title is run |
| 21:58.35 | ``Erik | huh, weird |
| 21:59.01 | ``Erik | yet another thing to fix |
| 21:59.09 | elena | i guess i'm moving from beginner to advanced level :) |
| 21:59.53 | ``Erik | and kind enough to observe/ask these little things instead of just shrugging and moving on :) |
| 22:00.35 | elena | you're too kind |
| 22:00.46 | ``Erik | I know, and I'm too modest, too O.o *duck* :D |
| 22:01.55 | sander^ | what do I need to install to get x11 support? Whats.. X development stuff? |
| 22:02.42 | Ralith | the headers |
| 22:03.09 | Ralith | in a debian-derived distro it'll be called x11-dev or similar |
| 22:03.21 | ``Erik | depends on the OS, something like Xlib-dev and Xi-dev would do most rhat/deb based leenewxes, I think |
| 22:03.53 | sander^ | libx11-dev ? |
| 22:04.00 | ``Erik | sounds right |
| 22:04.20 | Ralith | ``Erik: perhaps it would be advisable to replace the classic parser with the tcl interp? |
| 22:04.23 | sander^ | Im on ubuntu and debian |
| 22:04.37 | Ralith | libx11-dev is almost certainly correct |
| 22:05.06 | ``Erik | ralith: the gui version gives the same results, I'm not sure what's going on with it |
| 22:05.13 | Ralith | O.o |
| 22:05.19 | Ralith | that sounds undesirable. |
| 22:05.22 | ``Erik | and I'm not going to dig into it while I'm sitting at home on sick leave enjoying the vicodin |
| 22:05.34 | ``Erik | which is just about wearing off |
| 22:06.10 | sander^ | configure: WARNING: X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found. |
| 22:06.50 | Ralith | doesn't know what Xi is used for |
| 22:06.57 | Ralith | but you can fix that by, you know, installing the Xi library. |
| 22:09.57 | ``Erik | X intrinsics |
| 22:10.11 | elena | erik, one more help? |
| 22:10.20 | ``Erik | hrm? |
| 22:10.43 | elena | i recall I saw somewhere a way to get the output of a command and use it in another |
| 22:10.58 | elena | i want to do something like: tree `tops` |
| 22:11.01 | ``Erik | inside of mged? |
| 22:11.06 | elena | yes. |
| 22:11.14 | ``Erik | uhmmm, sure it wasn't tree [tops] ? |
| 22:11.19 | elena | maybe I'm wrong and it wasn't mged. |
| 22:11.29 | elena | let me test. |
| 22:11.41 | ``Erik | it's a direct tcl interpreter, so anything that works in tcl should work in mged |
| 22:12.02 | elena | it says db_lookup([tops]) failed: [tops] does not exist |
| 22:12.34 | ``Erik | hm, yeah, I'm dorking in tclsh |
| 22:12.37 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't really know tcl |
| 22:13.55 | elena | :( |
| 22:15.21 | ``Erik | tree [eval tops] ? |
| 22:16.25 | sander^ | I cant find the xi lib |
| 22:16.37 | ``Erik | libXi-dev ? |
| 22:16.44 | ``Erik | do you have /usr/include/X11/Xi.h ? |
| 22:17.39 | elena | strange. it shows an error, yet it displays some of the objects. |
| 22:17.51 | sander^ | Oh.. it actually was libXi-dev |
| 22:18.29 | elena | mged> tree [eval tops] |
| 22:18.30 | elena | db_lookup(tops]) failed: tops] does not exist |
| 22:18.30 | elena | ellg |
| 22:18.30 | elena | axis/ |
| 22:21.06 | ``Erik | *shrug* I don't have the resources handy to figure that one out for ya, sorry :( tomorrow, I'll have access to my books |
| 22:21.17 | sander^ | I dont have /usr/include/X11/Xi.h still after installing libxi-dev |
| 22:21.43 | sander^ | And its also still complaining about xi dev even after I installed it |
| 22:27.43 | elena | no problem. thank you. |
| 22:27.49 | sander^ | im just compiling without x11 support |
| 22:27.55 | elena | i'm still half way there :) |
| 22:28.48 | sander^ | What downsides is it without x11 support? |
| 22:29.12 | sander^ | no grafical interface? |
| 22:31.35 | louipc | no mged. You probably want that. |
| 22:36.23 | louipc | sander^: hmm I don't have Xi.h either |
| 22:36.34 | louipc | but I do have libxi |
| 22:40.37 | sander^ | strange that its complaining about it then |
| 22:41.14 | louipc | what was the message you got complaining about xi? |
| 22:42.04 | louipc | "X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found."? |
| 22:42.09 | sander^ | configure: WARNING: X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found. |
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| 22:48.29 | elena | eval tree [tops] seems to partially work. |
| 22:49.01 | elena | the problem is that [tops] gets replaces with the string containing all the tops (not with a list of objects) |
| 22:49.12 | elena | db_lookup fails again. |
| 22:49.13 | sander^ | How long time does it take to compile everything? |
| 22:49.24 | Ralith | depends entirely on your hardware. |
| 22:51.10 | sander^ | From what to what?.. Like.. Can it take half an hour? |
| 22:51.39 | ``Erik | anywhere from 5 minutes to 5 hours... |
| 22:51.45 | Ralith | from the next millenium to instantly. |
| 22:51.51 | Ralith | it depends entirely on your hardware. |
| 22:52.00 | sander^ | okay |
| 22:52.07 | Ralith | I suggest not attempting to use nothing but a pencil. |
| 22:52.36 | ``Erik | damn, ralith, still sore about that? we thought it was hilarious :D *duck* |
| 22:53.16 | louipc | sander^: do you have x11proto-input-dev installed? |
| 22:53.29 | Ralith | ``Erik: at least I know x86 hex now. |
| 22:53.37 | louipc | /usr/include/X11/extensions/XI.h |
| 22:53.42 | ``Erik | x86? damnit, boy, we said r2k! |
| 22:53.45 | louipc | is in that package |
| 22:54.00 | ``Erik | (r2k is sexy assembly) |
| 22:54.01 | Ralith | yeah, but I didn't have the test hardware and I was too lazy to find a vm |
| 22:54.12 | ``Erik | http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~larus/spim.html |
| 22:54.16 | ``Erik | there, there's your vm |
| 22:54.17 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:55.11 | sander^ | louipc, yes.. I got x11proto-input-dev installed |
| 22:58.57 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1520 10/wiki/More_Changelog: /* June, 17 - today */ |
| 23:16.16 | louipc | /usr/include/X11/extensions/XI.h: #define XI_DATAGLOVE "DATAGLOVE" |
| 23:16.22 | louipc | bwhahahha |
| 23:21.39 | sander^ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltk8.5 |
| 23:21.52 | sander^ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 23:22.59 | sander^ | it fails on that when doing make |
| 23:23.46 | louipc | you have tk 8.5? |
| 23:23.50 | ``Erik | did the configure stuff say that it was building tk or not? |
| 23:29.48 | sander^ | now I installed tk-dev |
| 23:30.25 | louipc | I'm glad I don't use debian :P |
| 23:31.31 | sander^ | Well.. im actually installing this on my ubuntu laptop without too many programs |
| 23:31.44 | Ralith | tk-dev won't help |
| 23:31.48 | Ralith | taht's the headers; it's missing the library. |
| 23:32.05 | Ralith | (although tk-dev undoubtedly depends on tk, so it might work anyway) |
| 23:32.18 | sander^ | Build Tcl ............................: yes |
| 23:32.18 | sander^ | Build Tk .............................: yes |
| 23:32.30 | Ralith | sounds like a build system bug, then :/ |
| 23:32.44 | louipc | hm. if you have them installed it should say no (using system) |
| 23:32.51 | Ralith | he doesn't |
| 23:32.55 | Ralith | he's just now installing them, I think |
| 23:34.49 | louipc | I'm surprised no debianites have come along and spruced up the build files |
| 23:35.36 | ``Erik | made a debian/ build thingy a while back, but lost access to his debian box *shrug* |
| 23:37.14 | sander^ | should it say yes here?: Build Tk .............................: yes |
| 23:37.27 | Ralith | did it say that after you had installed tk? |
| 23:37.29 | sander^ | I got tk installed.. and did configure once more |
| 23:37.41 | Ralith | then it shouldn't want to build its own. |
| 23:37.51 | ``Erik | um |
| 23:37.54 | louipc | did you install tcl too? |
| 23:38.06 | ``Erik | try doing a "make distclean", then do "./configure --enable-all" and see if it works then |
| 23:38.14 | sander^ | I installed both tcl and tk |
| 23:38.16 | Ralith | louipc: pretty sure tk depends on tcl :P |
| 23:38.29 | louipc | yeah it does |
| 23:42.35 | sander^ | I need to go now.. |
| 23:43.05 | louipc | see you later |
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| 04:12.43 | brlcad | per elena's questions earlier: mged -c whatever.g "tree \[string trim \[ tops -n\] \]" |
| 04:13.16 | brlcad | have to quote the globbing characters [], {}, & ? |
| 04:14.27 | ``Erik | ahhhh, that's right, forgot about that |
| 04:15.14 | brlcad | semicolon should / does work .. but there's some sort of bug there |
| 04:15.54 | brlcad | mged -c test.g "puts hello ; puts world" <= works for example |
| 04:16.19 | brlcad | even interlaced with mged commands .. but for some reason mged commands aren't printing unless they're last |
| 04:16.33 | ``Erik | what about the stdout/stderr issue? |
| 04:16.35 | brlcad | have to trace it |
| 04:17.08 | brlcad | that's mostly legacy, all textual logging goes through bu_log, which has always written to stderr |
| 04:17.29 | brlcad | would be a pretty significant change so it's not been attempted yet |
| 04:19.37 | brlcad | that was originally so the streamable tools could still log and send their data to a stream (e.g. for piping input to output on things like "pixhalve -s1024 some.pix | pix-png > file.png", and still seeing logged output) |
| 04:19.55 | brlcad | everything uses the same logging mechanism so it goes to stderr |
| 04:20.50 | brlcad | notes elena probably needs to read http://brlcad.org/wiki/SGI_Cube |
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| 08:09.14 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34911 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:09.15 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: change the data-type for color values from unsigned int to double (0 <= r/g/b <= 1) |
| 08:09.17 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: although color values are stored as unsigned int this implementation detail should be hidden from the user |
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| 16:02.59 | alecs1 | hi, does BRL-CAD support tolerancing? I couldn't find it in the docs |
| 16:03.31 | d-lo | depends on what you mean. To what are you wanting to apply a tolerance to? |
| 16:03.33 | alecs1 | (tolerancing as in gd&t, that's the more known buzzword) |
| 16:04.11 | louipc | make this hole 1" dia +- .005" |
| 16:04.54 | alecs1 | well, to components in the tree; but I'm no BRL-CAD expert either, just evaluating and asking if it's not in the docs |
| 16:05.13 | louipc | brl-cad doesn't have that feature as far as I know |
| 16:05.26 | louipc | but I'm no authority on it :P |
| 16:06.03 | d-lo | I would say no, it doesn't support GD&T. |
| 16:06.41 | alecs1 | thanks |
| 16:06.46 | alecs1 | do you know of other open-source programs that support it |
| 16:12.03 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34912 10/brlcad/trunk/ (11 files in 7 dirs): Add bbsize command per user request - reports a quick summary of how big the bounding box of an object is. |
| 16:12.34 | louipc | nope |
| 16:12.50 | louipc | qcad maybe... that's 2d though |
| 16:18.16 | alecs1 | I see, thank you :) |
| 16:23.23 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34913 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/ (Db.tcl Mged.tcl): Don't need the bbsize command support on obsolete tcl code. |
| 17:02.38 | brlcad | definitely do not support tolerancing |
| 17:06.00 | brlcad | starseeker: unless I read the commit wrong, you missed the bbsize.c file |
| 17:06.58 | starseeker | aaah, nuts |
| 17:07.00 | starseeker | sorry |
| 17:07.40 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34914 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/bbsize.c: Yeah, it might help to add the key bbsize file. |
| 17:07.56 | brlcad | thx |
| 17:08.04 | starseeker | np :-) |
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| 18:03.28 | jdoliner | indianlarry whenever you read this, I think I've worked out the kinks in my algorithmic woos. But would love to talk about it with you, just to do some sanity checks. |
| 18:08.23 | ``Erik | sanity check: you have none :D |
| 18:08.43 | ``Erik | (which is why ya fit in here) |
| 18:08.54 | jdoliner | :D |
| 18:09.09 | jdoliner | it certainly feels that way these days |
| 18:09.22 | indianlarry | what you come up with Joe |
| 18:09.23 | jdoliner | I close my eyes and see triangles intersecting each other |
| 18:09.58 | jdoliner | k so we wanted to have a convention for which way the edge we return should point |
| 18:10.39 | jdoliner | and this convention should depend on the normals of both of the triangles we intersect |
| 18:11.01 | indianlarry | okay |
| 18:11.23 | jdoliner | so we decide that the edge will be parallel to (norm1Xnorm2) |
| 18:11.56 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34917 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 18:11.56 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Added poseable support for the torso. Also made the arms and legs now properly position themselves and attach to torso. |
| 18:12.01 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Legs and arms are still not properly positioned when the body is rotated however. |
| 18:12.01 | indianlarry | follow so far |
| 18:12.03 | jdoliner | so if we do this |
| 18:12.22 | jdoliner | then when we have an edge and the triangle it came from |
| 18:14.00 | jdoliner | then in triangle1 the (edgeXNorm) points to the internal side, in triangle2 it points to the external side |
| 18:14.26 | jdoliner | just a fact of life that this is going to be reversed |
| 18:14.41 | jdoliner | but the important part is that it'll be consistent |
| 18:15.57 | jdoliner | so if we take our corner jabbing into a triangle |
| 18:17.27 | jdoliner | we would get a the trimming curve back with the lines s.t. the normal points the opposite direction of the faces normal |
| 18:17.39 | jdoliner | which signifies an internal face |
| 18:18.20 | jdoliner | oh forgot to mention abut the output that we need to reverse the line for mesh1 |
| 18:18.50 | jdoliner | but yeah I'm confident in that case |
| 18:19.36 | jdoliner | now the trickiness comes when it hits an edge |
| 18:20.23 | jdoliner | so it now passes up which edge the intersection came from |
| 18:20.33 | jdoliner | so suppose we get back the line pq |
| 18:21.06 | jdoliner | and we know that point p came from line ab |
| 18:21.10 | ``Erik | yuh oh, libpc issue, no boost lazy.hpp |
| 18:21.40 | jdoliner | then we know that the lines to include are: |
| 18:21.58 | jdoliner | ap and bp |
| 18:22.37 | jdoliner | because those are consistent with the direction of pq |
| 18:23.11 | ``Erik | src/libpc/pcMathGrammar.h:42:41: error: boost/spirit/dynamic/lazy.hpp: No such file or directory |
| 18:23.37 | jdoliner | so really the only tricky part is that ab might have more than 1 point on it |
| 18:25.13 | jdoliner | so we basically need to record where these points are in a slightly more sophisticated way |
| 18:25.36 | jdoliner | which is just going to be a polyline that keeps them all in order and then we take the segments out of it at the end. |
| 18:26.39 | indianlarry | just thinkin that basically any loop that contains an outside edge would in fact be an an outside edge and be ordered as such |
| 18:27.50 | indianlarry | are you making loops from your intersections yet |
| 18:28.11 | indianlarry | or just the list of intersecting segments |
| 18:29.31 | jdoliner | sort of, I have the could all ready to go to make loops, but I need to implement the stuff I just mentioned to be able to pass it the right segments |
| 18:30.40 | jdoliner | before this I was just grabbing the segments however they came out and it worked great on them |
| 18:33.02 | indianlarry | maybe not visualizing correctly |
| 18:33.49 | indianlarry | but seems like you could lose ap or pb depending on the boolean logic of your combination |
| 18:35.15 | jdoliner | yeah one of them won't be in the final result |
| 18:35.24 | jdoliner | one is internal and the other is external |
| 18:36.07 | indianlarry | yeah okay, do you keep seperate loop list for each face |
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| 18:36.41 | jdoliner | yes |
| 18:37.10 | jdoliner | for each face in the original mesh there's actually possible multiple face loops |
| 18:37.52 | indianlarry | yeah and an inner can probably turn into an outer after the combination... |
| 18:38.18 | jdoliner | how do you mean? |
| 18:39.07 | jdoliner | oh, well if we do Mesh A - Mesh B then the inners of B will be an outer of the result |
| 18:39.27 | indianlarry | is you cut a face in falf and there was an inner loop -- yeah |
| 18:39.39 | jdoliner | k yeah |
| 18:39.46 | indianlarry | sorrry slow typer |
| 18:39.58 | jdoliner | :) young nimble fingers |
| 18:40.13 | indianlarry | sounds similar to the nurbs loops |
| 18:40.30 | jdoliner | yeah it's actually really elegant after we have all the faces pointing the right way |
| 18:40.37 | indianlarry | is the first loop the outer and the rest inner loops |
| 18:41.01 | jdoliner | well couldn't there be multiple outers? |
| 18:41.35 | jdoliner | an outer loop is just one that intersects a triangle edge correct? |
| 18:41.51 | indianlarry | not sure how the meshes are handles but for the nurbs there's only one outer |
| 18:42.12 | indianlarry | i think multiple outers would be treated as seperate faces |
| 18:43.39 | jdoliner | okay I think I see what it means for nurbs |
| 18:44.17 | jdoliner | is it just the curve along the outside of the defined surface? |
| 18:44.18 | indianlarry | are you looking at bots or meshed faces |
| 18:44.50 | indianlarry | yes the outer boundry of the face |
| 18:45.18 | jdoliner | I believe bots |
| 18:45.46 | jdoliner | yeah it just has an array of faces which could occur in any order |
| 18:46.26 | jdoliner | although there can be quads in the bag as well |
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| 18:58.42 | indianlarry | if bots then probably don't need to worry about loops and such right |
| 18:59.58 | jdoliner | yeah, I deal with things on a triangle by triangle basis |
| 19:01.45 | indianlarry | sorry joe i think i'm leading you astray |
| 19:03.05 | indianlarry | guess you still need to maintain proper facet orientations |
| 19:03.51 | jdoliner | yes |
| 19:04.51 | indianlarry | i guess a polyline accross a facet -> many facets |
| 19:05.32 | jdoliner | yes |
| 19:06.30 | jdoliner | I mean I can't do any sort of geometry internal to my faces, any detail I want to include has gotta be done with triangles |
| 19:07.48 | indianlarry | yep the corner into a face of a triangle turns into a handfull of facets |
| 19:08.41 | indianlarry | did the BOOLE folks have walking algrithm for this already? |
| 19:15.59 | indianlarry | or were they just doing bezier ? |
| 19:20.29 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34920 10/isst/ (24 files in 4 dirs): import of ISST |
| 19:22.55 | elena | brlcad, are you here? |
| 19:25.32 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34921 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: acronymize |
| 19:32.04 | elena | ``Erik, did you feed the squirrel again? |
| 19:45.27 | brlcad | hi elena |
| 19:45.35 | elena | hi. |
| 19:45.38 | brlcad | few comments about your work yesterday |
| 19:46.07 | elena | did you see the log of the chat with erik? |
| 19:46.13 | brlcad | semicolon is the command separater -- what you were trying should have worked |
| 19:46.16 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:46.23 | elena | :) |
| 19:46.25 | elena | ok |
| 19:46.38 | brlcad | never leaves IRC .. that's what 'screen'+'irssi' are for :) |
| 19:46.52 | elena | :) |
| 19:47.13 | brlcad | you can see the result with something like this: mged -c test.g "puts hello ; puts world" |
| 19:47.38 | brlcad | there is some odd issue causing output to be quieted (though I believe it does run the commands still) |
| 19:47.58 | brlcad | haven't confirmed yet though |
| 19:48.11 | brlcad | secondly, I presume you've seen http://brlcad.org/wiki/SGI_Cube ? |
| 19:48.19 | brlcad | that shows three specific ways to script mged |
| 19:48.21 | elena | but "tops ; tops" doesn't work :( |
| 19:48.29 | brlcad | it does and it doesn't |
| 19:48.37 | brlcad | I believe it's just not printing the result |
| 19:48.38 | elena | i haven't. |
| 19:48.42 | elena | thanks for the tip. |
| 19:48.49 | brlcad | but actually runs the commands |
| 19:49.05 | elena | i spent all day reading about tcl :) |
| 19:49.19 | elena | ok. |
| 19:49.25 | brlcad | to do the tree of tops that you suggested, it was simply a matter of escaping the globbing characters |
| 19:49.27 | elena | and about the stderr output? |
| 19:50.10 | brlcad | for example: mged -c whatever.g "tree \[string trim \[ tops -n\] \]" |
| 19:51.17 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34922 10/isst/trunk/src/ (gui.c main.c sql.c): fix headers |
| 19:51.32 | brlcad | by default, mged has a globbing evaluation mode enabled so that glob characters (*[],?{}.) are specially recognized so you can do pattern matching on objects, e.g. "draw *" or "draw [a-f]*" |
| 19:52.04 | brlcad | so you either have to turn globbing off (set glob_compat_mode 0) ... or ... escape the glob characters ala \[ \] |
| 19:53.25 | brlcad | btw, if you had multiple top-level objects, that example won't work -- you'd need to iterate over each object and call tree |
| 19:53.55 | elena | i've noticed. this is why i started to read more about tcl. |
| 19:54.16 | elena | it seems to me that it will help with the drupal integration. |
| 19:54.24 | brlcad | something like: foreach obj \{ \[ string trim \[ tops -n \] \] \} \{ tree $obj \} |
| 19:54.57 | brlcad | since you're in php land, it may very well be easier to just run one command at a time and do your string parsing on the php side |
| 19:55.26 | elena | less fun. |
| 19:55.32 | elena | maybe less efficient, too. |
| 19:55.57 | brlcad | it should be fairly insignificant compared to what all you're doing and how often this is called |
| 19:56.09 | brlcad | but fun is a good motivator |
| 19:56.10 | elena | ok. i'll think about it. |
| 19:56.11 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:56.43 | brlcad | note that the http://brlcad.org/wiki/SGI_Cube example shows those three ways I mentioned, but is actually just a posix shell script driving mged |
| 19:57.15 | brlcad | the cat <<EOF section is one of the three I mentioned, where it pipes multiple commands to mged |
| 19:57.53 | elena | i'll study it. |
| 19:57.59 | elena | thank you. |
| 19:58.28 | brlcad | if you want to capture stderr more easily, you can feed stderr to stdout with 2>&1 |
| 19:58.42 | elena | i did that. |
| 19:58.48 | brlcad | k |
| 19:58.52 | ``Erik | wonders if turning off globbing in the .mgedrc would be good for an account that just runs mged batch-mode |
| 19:59.27 | elena | @Erik: doesn't matter, i could turn it off at the begining of the script. |
| 19:59.29 | brlcad | possible, but it really just saves a couple keystrokes, which are embedded in a script anyways |
| 19:59.40 | brlcad | now if your script gets big/unreadable ... |
| 20:00.07 | ``Erik | or at the beginning of the script, yes... escaping all the glob characters in a nontrivial script can quickly become ugly |
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| 06:20.38 | Ralith | brlcad: it looks like I'm going to need to try to do pure Qt-in-Ogre, unfortunately. Hopefully I won't have to reimplement much of Qt's backend. |
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| 07:06.26 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34930 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/CMakeLists.txt librt/CMakeLists.txt): sync with Makefile.am |
| 07:09.16 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34931 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/Makefile.am: mention primitives/brep/brep_debug.h here |
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| 13:41.48 | CIA-26 | BRL-CAD: a draw *.s |
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| 13:50.17 | brlcad | wb |
| 13:50.28 | starseek1r | heh - thanks |
| 13:50.34 | starseek1r | tries to fix his nick... |
| 13:50.36 | brlcad | recovers from the /var insanity |
| 13:51.26 | starseeker | there we go |
| 13:51.34 | starseeker | what'd I miss? |
| 13:54.21 | brlcad | nothing serious |
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| 14:38.27 | brlcad | folks may get kicked off screen |
| 14:38.34 | brlcad | tmp was cleared |
| 14:39.57 | _clock_ | brlcad: I wrote a program to assemble many pictures of the same scene into one with less noise and possible bigger resolution |
| 14:40.27 | _clock_ | brlcad: I wonder if it were possible to call rt with slightly differing offset/rotation and then assemble the pictures, rendering an aliasing that would have different ray pattern within each pixel |
| 14:41.29 | _clock_ | Would it bring some advantage over existing BRL-CAD methods? |
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| 14:56.10 | brlcad | _clock_: that sounds like the existing jitter option |
| 14:56.33 | _clock_ | brlcad: the jitter is random isn't it? |
| 14:56.52 | brlcad | yes, within the pixel cell |
| 15:03.34 | ``Erik | must... migrate... machine... |
| 15:03.56 | ``Erik | in today, brlcad? |
| 15:09.29 | brlcad | ``Erik: no |
| 15:10.25 | ``Erik | poop, almost no one is here, probably gonna end up skipping lunch and going home 30m early |
| 15:19.11 | starseeker | wonders why starseek1r reappeared... |
| 15:19.31 | starseeker | \q |
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| 15:21.12 | starseeker | brlcad: any idea what's going on there? I don't have any screen sessions except this one, afaik |
| 15:22.06 | starseeker | hmm |
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| 15:23.38 | starseeker | hah, there we go |
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| 16:40.00 | d-lo | Ralith: you awake? |
| 16:42.23 | d-lo | guess not. Okay then, when the conversion to QT is complete, will there be any need to keep RBGUI and MOCHA? |
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| 17:22.37 | ``Erik | *burp* |
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| 18:12.59 | d-lo | Oh no... rt3 uses ogre and ogre uses boost..... damnit. |
| 18:19.46 | madant | d-lo: so :O ? |
| 18:22.06 | ``Erik | boost-- ? |
| 18:24.48 | d-lo | yeah, trying to get the rt3 module converted over to CMake and am getting an ogre build error relating to not finding a boost header. |
| 18:25.01 | d-lo | madant: trying very HARD to avoid boost in rt3 |
| 18:25.15 | d-lo | simpyl because, it aint that great. |
| 18:28.50 | madant | ah :) |
| 18:29.06 | madant | using it heavily in MathVM though :| |
| 18:29.48 | madant | had no idea ogre needs boost |
| 18:30.01 | d-lo | looks like its using boost threads. |
| 18:38.55 | ``Erik | a thin veneer over pthreads? |
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| 21:57.49 | Ralith | d-lo: Mocha and RBGui will indeed be no longer needed |
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| 23:02.37 | brlcad | so thx to SportChick's uptime obsession, those lost screen sessions are now actually restored |
| 23:03.47 | brlcad | you can apparently recover from lost sessions with a -CHLD signal |
| 23:03.52 | Ralith | cool! |
| 23:04.19 | brlcad | their devs didn't even know this was possible until they went looking :) |
| 23:05.50 | ``Erik | uptime obsession might involve migrating to a machine without a flakey hdd *cough* :D |
| 23:06.05 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 23:06.48 | ``Erik | sigchld to fix an unreferencable screen session is nutty, htough |
| 23:28.33 | brlcad | that wasn't flakey disk -- there were tens of thousands of e-mails, ran out of inodes on /var, probably web vulnerability somewhere attached to relay |
| 23:30.01 | ``Erik | ah, hm |
| 23:30.24 | ``Erik | *shrug* try doing a "sudo portaudit -Fda", there's a reason to migrate |
| 23:44.19 | brlcad | nods nods nods |
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| 00:29.25 | poolio | ahoy |
| 00:34.18 | brlcad | howdy poolio |
| 00:34.29 | brlcad | how's the summer going? |
| 00:48.10 | Ralith | brlcad: I don't think I can get Qt-in-Ogre-in-Qt to work without modifying Qt. |
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| 01:02.55 | starseeker | Ralith: my suggestionn is to see if you can get some combination of Qt+Ogre working, modding one or both if needed, and we'll go from there |
| 01:06.06 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 01:07.05 | ``Erik | starseeker: fwiw, the 50's movies dude who died at 97 the other day was karl malden (a street car named desire... had everything but his name at lunch heh) |
| 01:07.16 | poolio | brlcad: it's going great. Been working on using a variety of graphical models to decode neural activity :) |
| 01:07.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh |
| 01:08.11 | starseeker | ``Erik: is there a better way to approach the Qt + Ogre thing? |
| 01:08.31 | ``Erik | "don't use qt"? :D *duck* |
| 01:08.59 | ``Erik | is that astronomy program open source? would it make a good reference? |
| 01:09.11 | ``Erik | stellarium? |
| 01:10.02 | ``Erik | http://stellarium.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/stellarium/trunk/stellarium/ |
| 01:10.26 | ``Erik | it does mixing of ogl and qt in funky ways, right? is that 'nuff of a hnt to make it work with ogre? *shrug* |
| 01:10.28 | ``Erik | <-- has no clue |
| 01:12.08 | Ralith | hm, good call |
| 01:12.08 | Ralith | forgot about that |
| 01:12.10 | Ralith | I'll try to see how it does things without violating the GPL. |
| 01:18.03 | starseeker | ``Erik: I dont' think it's using Ogre though |
| 01:18.18 | ``Erik | no, not ogre, but some ogl backed thingy, something 'weird' |
| 01:19.02 | ``Erik | http://www.ogre3d.org/wiki/index.php/QtOgre |
| 01:19.18 | starseeker | yeah, that approach is suboptimal |
| 01:19.46 | starseeker | they aren't using a shared opengl context |
| 01:20.32 | Ralith | oh right |
| 01:20.33 | Ralith | they aren't using ogre |
| 01:20.39 | Ralith | so they probably don't address the problem in the first place |
| 01:20.41 | Ralith | still, worth a look |
| 01:24.46 | starseeker | Ralith: can you get it to work if you mod Qt? |
| 01:25.33 | Ralith | starseeker: I can try a few more things, certainly, but is that really desirable? |
| 01:30.39 | starseeker | if you can demonstrate it, we can get ahold of someone on the Qt dev staff and see if they would be interested in making it a default ability |
| 01:31.23 | Ralith | alright |
| 01:31.35 | Ralith | I'll give that a go, then, since it would be awfully nice to use the existing code. |
| 01:35.27 | starseeker | is curious how extensive the mods would be or whether it would mean doing an "Ogre backend" to go with the opengl and raster backends |
| 01:36.43 | Ralith | nothing extensive at all, at least with the ideas I plan on playing with |
| 01:36.54 | Ralith | the 'ogre backend' is the worst-case Qt-in-Ogre solution. |
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| 08:05.10 | CIA-26 | BRL-CAD: initialized "dist" variable with a hopefully reasonable value |
| 08:05.12 | CIA-26 | BRL-CAD: ... and my editor removed some trailing whitespaces too |
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| 08:16.48 | CIA-26 | BRL-CAD: fixed crash in MS Windows |
| 08:16.52 | CIA-26 | BRL-CAD: decrementing an iterator and testing for end() does not make much sense |
| 08:16.56 | CIA-26 | BRL-CAD: the algorithm needs probably a review |
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| 14:38.17 | ``Erik | heh "belegte brote"... "occupied bread" O.o |
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| 20:19.39 | madant | Ralith: how's the qt ogre situation ? |
| 20:20.12 | Ralith | madant: Ogre's starting fights every time I put it in the same room as Qt. |
| 20:20.49 | madant | haha :) |
| 20:21.08 | madant | d-lo was saying ogre needs boost threads ? |
| 20:21.18 | Ralith | shrugs |
| 20:21.23 | Ralith | ogre has a variety of dependencies |
| 20:21.30 | Ralith | that's not the major issue (imo) |
| 20:21.36 | Ralith | the major issue is that it doesn't cooperate :P |
| 20:21.54 | madant | nothing more disastrous than non-cooperative softwares ;) |
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| 22:43.15 | ``Erik | survival of the fittest software, aw yeah, two programs enter, one program leaves |
| 22:43.26 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:43.54 | ``Erik | corewars on a meta-scale |
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| 11:43.02 | ``Erik | *yarn* |
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| 15:24.28 | ``Erik | der mann wacht auf... heh, sounds like "the man whacked off" O:-) |
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| 19:37.20 | ``Erik | *bored* |
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| 20:38.48 | alecs1 | hi, I'm trying to install in a custom location, so I did ./configure --prefix=destination |
| 20:38.56 | alecs1 | but I get the following error at install: |
| 20:38.59 | alecs1 | libtool: install: error: cannot install `libstepcore.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/brlcad/lib |
| 20:39.40 | alecs1 | my knowledge of autotools stops at using --prefix=destination, so I couldn't even understand the discussions found with google |
| 20:40.28 | alecs1 | do you know if other options should be added at configure or make? |
| 20:41.00 | ``Erik | O.o does it do that in the src/other/step directory when you're installing? |
| 20:43.02 | alecs1 | actually yes, make[6]: Entering directory `/home/alex/programs/brl-cad/brlcad/src/other/step/src/clstepcore' |
| 20:43.14 | ``Erik | did you run ./configure without the --prefix flag at some point? (could be that there's a stale file screwing things up?) |
| 20:43.43 | ``Erik | I don't see anything in the configure.ac or Makefile.am that'd try to force libtool to use a certain dir :/ |
| 20:45.04 | alecs1 | yes, I did run the configure without when I installed it first system-wide |
| 20:45.09 | alecs1 | ok |
| 20:45.37 | ``Erik | mebbe if you rm -rf'd the source directory, re-extracted the tarball and tried again? |
| 20:45.45 | alecs1 | so I do a make clean and regenerate the configure from autogen |
| 20:46.16 | ``Erik | d'no if clean will do it, distclean should. autogen.sh shouldn't be needed |
| 20:47.12 | alecs1 | there was no configure when I pulled from svn, but otherwise I got the idea |
| 20:47.14 | alecs1 | thanks |
| 20:47.23 | ``Erik | np, good luck o.O |
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| 15:17.14 | ``Erik | "raytracing signed distance functions" http://sebastiansylvan.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4469F26E93033B8C!173.entry |
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| 19:40.43 | elena | hi |
| 19:41.13 | elena | brlcad or starseeker, are you here? |
| 19:42.32 | elena | ``Erik? |
| 19:47.15 | ``Erik | hrm? |
| 19:47.35 | elena | hi. do you have 1 min? |
| 19:47.49 | ``Erik | <-- sets a countdown timer to 60 seconds |
| 19:47.50 | ``Erik | :D |
| 19:48.01 | ``Erik | I have several minutes, actually |
| 19:48.06 | elena | do you have an account on brlcad.org? |
| 19:48.14 | ``Erik | ja |
| 19:48.22 | ``Erik | is it not responding? |
| 19:48.23 | elena | i only need 1 for now. i'll take the rest later :) |
| 19:48.30 | elena | it's responding. |
| 19:48.45 | elena | I was just wondering if brlcad is installed on it? |
| 19:48.52 | elena | i can't seem to find it. |
| 19:49.21 | ``Erik | doesn't seem so |
| 19:50.12 | ``Erik | hrm, the ports directory is blasted and the os is ancient, how much of BRL-CAD do you need? just rt? |
| 19:50.14 | elena | i'll try to install it in my home dir then. |
| 19:50.30 | elena | mged and rt. |
| 19:50.41 | elena | pix-png and dependencies, too. |
| 19:51.02 | ``Erik | hrm, ok, I'll co the last stable and see if I can insatll it to /usr/brlcad/ |
| 19:51.33 | ``Erik | actually, I'll just grab current |
| 19:51.34 | elena | thank you. |
| 19:52.08 | elena | i wanted to install the latest tbz |
| 19:52.30 | ``Erik | (need to get migrated to the new machine, the lack of space and lack of updates are starting to hurt) |
| 19:52.31 | elena | i just reading about it. i never installed anything on freebsd before. |
| 19:53.00 | ``Erik | um, when we were running out of hard drive space, I removed the src and ports directories... assuming migration would happen "real soon now" |
| 19:53.30 | ``Erik | so installing or updating anything would be very manual and likely break stuff :( |
| 19:53.50 | ``Erik | have you tried using the new machine? |
| 19:54.19 | ``Erik | guessing not as you don't have an account there :) |
| 19:54.48 | elena | i didn't. |
| 19:58.29 | ``Erik | bah, stupid docbook crap |
| 19:58.49 | elena | hei, don't worry about it. |
| 19:59.08 | ``Erik | it's going, it's just taking a long time to co |
| 19:59.17 | elena | i don't want to eat up your time. i'll try to get it done myself. |
| 19:59.31 | ``Erik | meh, I'm just watching a crappy movie on tv anyways |
| 19:59.58 | elena | i switched it off. it was a stupid movie, too, but it kept distracting me. |
| 20:01.46 | ``Erik | "spiderman 2.1" here |
| 20:02.02 | elena | 2.1? |
| 20:02.14 | ``Erik | that's what the tvguide says |
| 20:02.22 | elena | I got the 7.10 in my home dir if you want. |
| 20:02.27 | elena | we could us that. |
| 20:02.36 | ``Erik | ah, extended verson of spiderman 2 |
| 20:02.56 | elena | oh. I could be spiderman 3 alpha release :) |
| 20:03.03 | ``Erik | http://dvd.ign.com/articles/772/772560p1.html |
| 20:03.10 | ``Erik | autoreconf is running now |
| 20:03.19 | elena | are you in us? |
| 20:03.45 | ``Erik | yes, near baltimore... work in the same office as brlcad, starseeker, indianlarry, etc... |
| 20:04.27 | elena | how did you spent yesterday? |
| 20:04.31 | elena | any party? |
| 20:05.12 | ``Erik | sat around, watched tv, coded a little, drank a 'brown cow' and went to sleep O.o no partying or celebration, though I did watch the fireworks briefly |
| 20:06.00 | elena | not too tired then :) |
| 20:06.27 | ``Erik | heh, no, less tired that most days :) |
| 20:06.57 | elena | good. some rest is nice. |
| 20:13.57 | ``Erik | configure running now |
| 20:20.29 | ``Erik | compiling |
| 20:21.22 | elena | brb |
| 20:21.47 | elena | back |
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| 20:44.20 | elena | did it finished? |
| 20:44.32 | elena | did it finish? |
| 20:45.55 | ``Erik | still in the src/other dir |
| 20:46.39 | ``Erik | it's not a terribly fast machine, overloaded with poorly written SQL and php smashing all over, plus a couple far overburdened irssi processes, and I nice'd the build.. it'll take a while :) |
| 20:47.28 | ``Erik | interrupts and starts compiling the minimal set |
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| 20:55.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1534 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 5 activities |
| 20:55.56 | elena | it could benefit from a php optimizer |
| 20:58.36 | ``Erik | the machine? it'd benefit from some analysis of the sql statement, saved prepared statements, moving away from php to optimized compiled modules for heavy lifting, and people moving from irssi to bx O.o O:-) |
| 20:59.16 | ``Erik | has been looking at using optimized common lisp as an application server for web stuff |
| 21:00.05 | elena | then it would be too fast :) |
| 21:01.01 | ``Erik | heh, no such thing :) but it's definitely much more pleasant to work in than php... and I couldn't even imagine doing cgi and shtml/ssi anymore |
| 21:01.56 | ``Erik | (for some reason, I'd gotten myself under the impression that 'more' was a python beastie like on django or something at some point, was surprised to see the drupal stuff there... musta confused myself at some point) |
| 21:05.26 | elena | i didn't learn python (yet) :( |
| 21:07.02 | ``Erik | I'm in the process, but only due to panda3d |
| 21:07.46 | ``Erik | <-- wrote an exporter to generate the panda3d format from BRL-CAD geometry this morning O.o BRL-CAD work on a weekend, I must be going insane |
| 21:08.09 | elena | :D |
| 21:23.18 | ``Erik | 24 degrees, nice breeze... if it weren't for noisy children with noisy toys, this'd be a great day to sit out in the grass :/ |
| 21:47.50 | ``Erik | rt is installed |
| 21:48.03 | elena | thank you. |
| 21:48.25 | ``Erik | still working on mged |
| 22:06.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34973 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/Makefile.am: add libgcv to dependancy list |
| 22:07.46 | ``Erik | mged is installed |
| 22:15.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34974 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/Makefile.am: add libpc to dependancy list |
| 22:17.20 | ``Erik | hrm, pix-png is installed, I THINK it'll work, but I'm not sure... can't compile libpc, so can't install the entire util dir |
| 22:18.30 | elena | it complains about libtcl8.5.so |
| 22:18.37 | elena | mged, too. |
| 22:19.29 | ``Erik | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/brlcad/lib |
| 22:20.01 | elena | :) |
| 22:20.34 | ``Erik | (not sure if I messed something up or if it's just a facet of that OS and how it deals with rpaths) |
| 22:21.09 | ``Erik | was outdated in 2004... O.o |
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| 23:01.10 | Ralith | why does BRL-CAD like to live in its own dir, anyway? |
| 23:01.45 | ``Erik | file name conficts, mostly |
| 23:02.11 | Ralith | ah. |
| 23:02.17 | ``Erik | centos, for example, has /usr/lib/librt.so |
| 23:02.27 | Ralith | yeah, that came to mind |
| 23:02.54 | Ralith | every time I build g3d I get a warning wrt. that |
| 23:03.00 | ``Erik | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d8629591 |
| 23:03.20 | ``Erik | I think libbn.so exists in some old crypto package |
| 23:03.46 | ``Erik | and then there's the whole tcl/tk/incrtcl/tkimg mess |
| 23:04.07 | Ralith | other packages have taken the approach of naming things like libbrlcad-rt.so |
| 23:04.10 | ``Erik | (which really needs to be fixed) |
| 23:04.22 | Ralith | and yeah, the tk situation is addressable |
| 23:04.24 | ``Erik | what other packages? |
| 23:04.42 | Ralith | uh |
| 23:04.45 | Ralith | at least, I think some have |
| 23:04.48 | Ralith | none come to mind right away |
| 23:05.01 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 23:05.12 | Ralith | Ogre takes the approach of sticking a subdir in $PREFIX/lib/ |
| 23:05.16 | Ralith | not to resolve conflicts, though |
| 23:05.37 | Ralith | probably just because the lib names were already getting too long |
| 23:05.57 | ``Erik | throw in that it comes from the classic unix days where non-trivial suites took their own directory (/opt/motif /opt/oracle ...), and then all these other programs popped up stealing our names, *shrug* why bother changing it? |
| 23:06.20 | Ralith | isn't advocating changing it, just observing a few different solutions. |
| 23:06.36 | ``Erik | one of my old projects has its own $PREFIX/lib/$PACKAGE/ dir, but that was more to keep things together as it does bunches of dlopen/dlsym evilness |
| 23:07.24 | ``Erik | (pluggable frontends and backing stores, each lib implements the same function names, a tiny shell picks which one to use and wires it in) |
| 23:07.40 | ``Erik | cuz I thought I was badass in '99 or '00 O:-) |
| 23:07.49 | Ralith | hehe |
| 23:07.54 | Ralith | excessive dynamicness is underrated |
| 23:08.02 | Ralith | it's one of the things I love about lisp. |
| 23:08.10 | ``Erik | well, it allowed me to do some crazy shit very very quickly |
| 23:08.18 | Ralith | like what? |
| 23:08.45 | ``Erik | how many people do you know writing full MUA's with gtk, gnome, and curses interfaces and able to store in mysql, postgresql, mdir, mspool, ... |
| 23:09.15 | ``Erik | and then make a dozen tiny utilities in just a dozen or two lines without touching existing installed code while it chunks along |
| 23:09.18 | alecs1 | hi, where's a good place to post some questions about the relation between models and the production line? |
| 23:09.34 | ``Erik | what do you mean by "production line"? |
| 23:09.42 | Ralith | ``Erik: Sounds like fun. gtk and gnome were different interfaces? |
| 23:10.11 | alecs1 | I'm specifically interested in the way bonnets and complex shapes are manufactured |
| 23:10.17 | ``Erik | ralith: yes, gtk first, then gnome as I learned it (gnome was very much in flux at the time... um, this was around 0.10 to 0.30) |
| 23:10.31 | Ralith | er, what's the difference? |
| 23:10.36 | alecs1 | and if there's some sculpting process of creating a "press" automatically from the CAD model |
| 23:10.42 | Ralith | isn't gnome just a DE that uses gtk? |
| 23:11.17 | alecs1 | because of non-native english I don't really find results on google |
| 23:12.04 | ``Erik | alecs1: I'd imagine most are stamped into shape, and if you have gcode or something, you might be able to use a CNC mill or something to generate the mold/stamp? *shrug* BRL-CAD isn't terribly tied to CAM stuff, we're more in the CAE area |
| 23:12.31 | Ralith | for the time being, anyway. |
| 23:12.35 | ``Erik | ralith: yeah, but funky wrappers and stuff to generate code... like the menu is a metalanguage that goes through a parser instead of building by hand gtk style |
| 23:12.43 | Ralith | ah. |
| 23:12.56 | ``Erik | instead of making a window and putting stuff in it, you define a "GNOME_app" or something |
| 23:13.59 | Ralith | sounds very elaborate |
| 23:14.00 | ``Erik | (kinda like how OGRE sits ontop of opengl, I guess?) |
| 23:14.44 | Ralith | ogre's is probably a much deeper abstraction. |
| 23:14.54 | Ralith | given that it can sit on top of DirectX just as happily |
| 23:15.06 | alecs1 | thanks, could you tell me some more key-words for finding the machines that press the sheet metal to make the external body parts? |
| 23:18.27 | ``Erik | rm, "brake" "press" "panel beating" mebbe a question like "how are car panels made" |
| 23:31.11 | alecs1 | thank you, I think I found enough material :) |
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| 23:34.17 | ``Erik | w00t |
| 23:52.26 | Ralith | wuut |
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| 02:40.54 | starseeker | Ralith: any luck with QT/Ogre? |
| 02:42.08 | Ralith | starseeker: not quite yet; there turned out to be more posisbly relevant functions than I expected. |
| 02:42.11 | Ralith | working through them now. |
| 02:43.25 | Ralith | isn't quite sure how qgraphicsscene and qgraphicsview relate |
| 02:43.34 | Ralith | and I haven't worked out how to use gdb reliably on C++ yet. |
| 02:46.19 | ``Erik | gdb still isn't c++ friendly? O.o |
| 02:47.13 | Ralith | I dunno, I probably am just misusing it |
| 02:47.26 | ``Erik | http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/pasp/Dealing_C_gdb.html |
| 02:47.39 | Ralith | it demangles names and basic stuff like that fine |
| 02:47.44 | Ralith | I just have trouble getting it to break on class member functions |
| 02:47.59 | ``Erik | line# breaks don't do it? |
| 02:48.14 | Ralith | huh? |
| 02:48.16 | Ralith | oh |
| 02:48.19 | Ralith | didn't try that >_> |
| 02:48.23 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:48.28 | Ralith | didn't know gdb could do that, even. |
| 02:48.39 | ``Erik | yeah, break file.cxx:42 |
| 02:48.39 | Ralith | first, though, food! |
| 02:48.42 | Ralith | cool, thanks |
| 02:48.59 | ``Erik | tends to use line # more than function name |
| 02:49.06 | Ralith | probably will now that he knows it |
| 03:05.16 | Ralith | ugh, qt builds slow. |
| 03:08.39 | starseeker | yeah, line # breaking works better for me in c++ |
| 03:09.15 | Ralith | it's packages like qt that I wish would use cmake |
| 03:09.19 | Ralith | so I'd have some idea how far along it was |
| 03:11.26 | louipc | ls |
| 03:11.28 | louipc | bah |
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| 03:54.23 | Ralith | reaids paradigms of artificial intelligence programming while he waits. |
| 03:54.34 | Ralith | trace is a really neat function :D |
| 04:18.37 | Ralith | starseeker: line number breaking works within every instance of a class (for non-static funcs), right? |
| 05:28.13 | Ralith | woo, qt rebuilt! |
| 05:54.52 | Ralith | argh. |
| 05:56.04 | Ralith | it looks like I'm going to have a very hard time building with a custom Qt without uninstalling my system one |
| 05:58.32 | Ralith | tries a really dirty hack |
| 06:04.11 | Ralith | damn. |
| 06:13.22 | Ralith | hack seems to work, but I'm not getting anywhere with g3d. |
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| 06:31.19 | elena | hi |
| 06:32.06 | Ralith | hullo |
| 06:34.08 | Ralith | well crap |
| 06:34.16 | Ralith | that just about exhausts my Qt modding ideas |
| 06:34.20 | Ralith | no luck there either |
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| 11:35.27 | d-lo | Merning all. *READREADREAD* |
| 11:42.39 | d-lo | Ralith / madant: Was just annoyed that ogre had a dep to boost, thats all. Personal preference. |
| 11:54.35 | d-lo | Ralith: Thanks for dropping a few comments here and there in irc and the wiki. Keep that wiki log going, so we/I can track whats going on. It will also help people who want to chip in advice not tell you something you already tried. I know that frustrates me when people do that :/ |
| 12:15.50 | ``Erik | d-lo: the server side thingymajigger you were looking at was projectdorkstar? (saw mention of someone looking to combine panda3d with dorkstar) |
| 12:16.17 | d-lo | what thingymajigger? |
| 12:16.23 | ``Erik | server side game mgmt |
| 12:17.16 | d-lo | Hrm, I am at a loss. I don't remember looking at projectdorkstar... |
| 12:17.22 | ``Erik | darkstar, rather |
| 12:17.23 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 12:17.33 | ``Erik | http://projectdarkstar.com/ |
| 12:17.42 | d-lo | ah, havne't really looked at that in a while. |
| 12:20.03 | ``Erik | *shrug* just noticed it mentioned and went "huh, that looks real familiar" |
| 12:20.25 | d-lo | kk, thanks! I will book mark it and look for that panda3d reference. |
| 12:26.09 | ``Erik | does shadowbane do mob ai on the server? |
| 12:26.34 | ``Erik | or, did it, rather O:-) |
| 12:26.52 | d-lo | Heh, calling it AI would be rather generous. |
| 12:28.25 | ``Erik | heh, well, yeah, but you know what I mean |
| 12:28.56 | d-lo | a bit. |
| 12:29.15 | d-lo | Its one of the major issues we are looking to rectify with the Emu. |
| 12:29.38 | ``Erik | <-- was pondering how to 'share the love' of ai computation time with clients that could arbitrarily disconnect |
| 12:29.55 | d-lo | Oh, so kinda like AI at home? |
| 12:30.00 | d-lo | err AI@Home? |
| 12:30.28 | ``Erik | if you have a group of half a dozen people whacking on a baddy and someone crashes or disconnects when they're housing the ai for it, it'd be retarded for the mob to simply freeze up for the other players |
| 12:31.45 | ``Erik | game ai has to respond fairly quickly and have some randomness, so I d'no if packet bundling across multiple hosts like an @home is pragmatic |
| 12:32.26 | _clock_ | I think Artifical Intelligence is not a good approach to model human behaviour |
| 12:32.29 | ``Erik | but doing ai for 10000 mobs, plus all the message management, plus state persistence, don't wanna overload the server |
| 12:32.30 | d-lo | What about redundant calcs? 2 or 3 of the same calc on machines. First one to return a result is used. |
| 12:32.44 | _clock_ | I think we won't move from place until we master AS - Artificial Stupidity. |
| 12:33.10 | ``Erik | if(random() > .5) mob->special1(); else mob->special2(); <-- cuz of that |
| 12:33.13 | ``Erik | ? |
| 12:33.28 | ``Erik | sorry, misread |
| 12:33.52 | d-lo | Yeah, I mistyped a bit too. I ment several different machines performing same calc for redundancy. |
| 12:34.25 | ``Erik | hm, latency issues, I guess... two machines calc and start doing their thang, send to the server to redistribute, do you wait the .8 seconds on all machines for the mob to hop to the appropriate state? |
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| 12:35.37 | ``Erik | _clock_ we're not talking about making a single smart 'ai', we're talking about scaling to a buttload of stupid videogame ai's :D mmorpg style |
| 12:37.24 | _clock_ | ``Erik: again I contribute to a discussion I haven't read much about :) |
| 12:38.43 | d-lo | I would imagine there would have to be minimum Calculational ability and network latency requirements in order for a 'node' to be accepted on the AI Compute 'cloud' |
| 12:38.48 | ``Erik | mebbe the 'repeatably random' notion from upstairs actually DOES have a practical use |
| 12:39.42 | ``Erik | custom random function, each mob has its own seed/state for the function... |
| 12:40.18 | ``Erik | with an occasional key packet to make sure everything is sync'd up |
| 12:41.04 | ``Erik | or mebbe it's not the pig and I'm burning cycles thinking about the wrong thing :D |
| 12:41.28 | d-lo | Server side has final say on the sync for the simultaneous calcs, correct? |
| 12:41.39 | ``Erik | server is never wrong |
| 12:41.54 | ``Erik | to prevent abuse |
| 12:42.59 | d-lo | Right, but putting AI in the hands of the 'Enemy' still makes me quesy. |
| 12:43.12 | ``Erik | having the clients periodically send "this is what I think is happening" packets and having the server do a quick check might be an effective way of rooting out cheaters |
| 12:43.50 | ``Erik | "wow, you sent a dozen bunk state packets in the last 60 seconds, why don't you take a breather for an hour disconnect();" |
| 12:45.01 | ``Erik | meh, an amusing thought exercise, but optimizing vapor in the end :/ |
| 12:45.27 | ``Erik | didja get time to work on your server component over the weekend? |
| 13:00.52 | d-lo | sorry, got disctracted... 'server component' ? SBEmu or GS? |
| 13:06.37 | ``Erik | sbemu |
| 13:06.46 | ``Erik | it's my rdo, soz I'm not thinking work O:-) |
| 13:06.54 | d-lo | Right on. |
| 13:07.04 | d-lo | I am at work and having trouble thinking work. :) |
| 13:07.09 | d-lo | A bit. |
| 13:07.13 | d-lo | Mostly infrastructure now. |
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| 13:07.41 | d-lo | Seeing as I have found myself in the Dev Team Lead, Design Team Lead and overall PM..... |
| 13:08.05 | d-lo | annoying since that means less time for code. |
| 13:08.05 | ``Erik | yeah, been there, done that heh |
| 13:08.38 | d-lo | I think the 4th weekend was poor timing for spinning up the SBEmu project, but thats the way the cards fell. |
| 13:08.45 | ``Erik | I started working on a freebsd driver for nvidia cards long ago, other people joined the cause and I ended up doing less and less code, more and more dealing iwth people and with nvidia |
| 13:08.56 | d-lo | Working to make the Design team as autonomous as possible. |
| 13:09.25 | ``Erik | I assume all the volunteers are code monkeys? |
| 13:10.09 | d-lo | Anyone who doesn't have code skills but are seemingly mature enough to write up a decent Application are being used on the design team. |
| 13:10.21 | d-lo | They are the ones who are going to formalize the existing SB game processess. |
| 13:10.42 | d-lo | aka Class.Race restriction tables, etc. |
| 13:10.53 | d-lo | all that junk that us Devs don't really wanna do :) |
| 13:10.58 | ``Erik | imagines that with an accessable vcs, irc channel and skeleton to start from, it'll be fairly self-organizing |
| 13:11.17 | ``Erik | right, coders aren't glorified data entry clerks O:-) |
| 13:11.45 | d-lo | Thats what I am hoping. Now that the holiday weekend is over, I am hoping things will get rolling. |
| 13:11.49 | ``Erik | "make the target modellers do it, not our problem" "butbutbut" *sigh* :) |
| 13:12.23 | ``Erik | too bad ya picked c++ *duck* :D |
| 13:13.35 | d-lo | lol. We have a good solid plan now. Your comment on Java got me thinking and fired off a discussion on the boards. |
| 13:14.09 | d-lo | Java Crypto doesn't play right with the SB Client, so we need to *at least* have a C/C++/openSSL proxy running in the server suite. |
| 13:14.23 | ``Erik | so that means you're looking to do it in CL using iolib and cl-prevalence (or elephant? or rucksack?) |
| 13:14.25 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:14.56 | d-lo | We've rounded up a good team of Pascal 'grammers and are ready to have at it! =D |
| 13:15.41 | ``Erik | I thought I was clever thinking up an image/event system for fast data storage only to find a java implementation from a few years ago, and a paper from '87 about the idea |
| 13:16.21 | d-lo | doh! |
| 13:16.27 | ``Erik | heh, I've seen people try to write quake style engines in a combination of pascal and assembly... ahhh, the bad old days of efnet #opengl :) |
| 13:16.28 | d-lo | so... did they confirm it was a good idea? |
| 13:17.00 | ``Erik | for a data set that can stay in memory, it's a really nice solution *shrug* |
| 13:17.20 | ``Erik | when you start looking for bigger data sets, replication, etc, it starts falling apart |
| 13:17.58 | ``Erik | but it's sexier than the orm approach |
| 13:18.17 | d-lo | heh, true :) |
| 13:19.44 | ``Erik | http://www.prevayler.org/ |
| 13:26.09 | d-lo | good link. thanks :) |
| 13:28.55 | ``Erik | is somewhat amused that BRL-CAD does not compile on brlcad.org :) |
| 13:29.26 | ``Erik | (c++ template fudgetry in libpc) |
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| 15:29.05 | elena | starseeker? |
| 15:34.03 | d-lo | He's around, what's up? |
| 15:44.41 | elena | hi. |
| 15:44.47 | starseeker | hey elena |
| 15:44.52 | elena | just requesting some help |
| 15:44.56 | starseeker | sure, what's up? |
| 15:45.19 | elena | i need some help with setting up brlcad on the server. |
| 15:45.33 | elena | Erik did it for me yesterday |
| 15:45.53 | starseeker | OK... |
| 15:45.54 | elena | but there's on more variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH that needs to be set. |
| 15:46.16 | starseeker | you mean in the system LD_LIBRARY_PATH/ |
| 15:46.19 | starseeker | ? |
| 15:46.34 | elena | yes. i guess. |
| 15:46.52 | elena | in my account, erik showed me to use export ..... |
| 15:46.53 | starseeker | depending on how you're launching things, you should be able to set that locally |
| 15:46.57 | starseeker | right |
| 15:47.05 | elena | but i need it to work in apache's account, too. |
| 15:47.11 | starseeker | ah |
| 15:47.44 | ``Erik | hrm, php doesn't have a setenv() equivalent? |
| 15:48.06 | ``Erik | (once the migration happens, this problem disappears, btw) |
| 15:48.12 | elena | hi Erik. |
| 15:48.19 | elena | maybe it does. |
| 15:48.27 | starseeker | hands elena to the *BSD guru |
| 15:49.05 | elena | yes. it has something. i just imagined it's better to have it set properly. |
| 15:49.11 | elena | whatever that means :) |
| 15:49.23 | starseeker | the quick fix is probably to tack it onto the system LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but I'm not sure where to do that on BSD and I probably don't have the admin rights anyhow |
| 15:49.35 | elena | so, should I implement it on my side? |
| 15:49.39 | starseeker | (at least, I don't think so...) |
| 15:49.56 | starseeker | elena: If you can set it yourself, that's more robust |
| 15:50.04 | elena | ok. |
| 15:51.01 | elena | thank you. |
| 15:51.30 | elena | and, Erik, thanks again for yesterday. |
| 15:52.51 | ``Erik | np, elena, that's what I'm here for O.o |
| 16:00.27 | ``Erik | ok, I regenerated the ld hints file, it SHOULD work without settig the env variable, I think |
| 16:01.07 | ``Erik | d'no why tcl isn't sharing rpath info with libbu, though :/ |
| 16:01.18 | elena | testing |
| 16:01.29 | elena | yep. it works. |
| 16:01.54 | elena | i'll revert my changes. |
| 16:08.48 | elena | http://more.brlcad.org/ partially working. |
| 16:08.59 | elena | bug: title is not retrieved correctly. |
| 16:09.21 | d-lo | Gotta admit... I like the layout and color scheme! |
| 16:09.31 | elena | bug: raytrace images created in the wrong directory. |
| 16:10.26 | elena | local file selection (ie. uploading through ftp/scp) works, but it's not enabled. |
| 16:10.54 | elena | theme is open source. i like it, too :) |
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| 16:55.00 | starseeker | elena: nifty! |
| 16:58.52 | elena | :) |
| 17:13.09 | ``Erik | green and beige, seems a bit... armyish *duck* :D |
| 17:13.32 | starseeker | neutral and environmentally friendly ;-) |
| 17:13.50 | starseeker | has been watching too much HGTV |
| 17:14.16 | ``Erik | what, the color scheme, or the army? if it's the latter, I might have to explain a few things to ya ;> |
| 17:14.30 | starseeker | heh |
| 17:14.42 | ``Erik | got my bsd hack box running, w00t |
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| 17:47.26 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r34975 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/brepintersect.cpp: |
| 17:47.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: The first step in the long processes of implementing the methods for keeping |
| 17:47.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: track of intersection data we get out in order the reconstruct the mesh later. |
| 17:47.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Implements a class with the specific responsibility of keeping track of the |
| 17:47.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: intersections in the triangles to later reconstruct the faces. |
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| 19:58.24 | alecs1 | hi, I would like to add some tolerancing information to some brl-cad structures |
| 19:58.53 | alecs1 | the first idea is to just add a pointer to custom data to the primitives |
| 19:59.20 | alecs1 | and then create some data structures for the types of tolerances I might need |
| 19:59.50 | alecs1 | but if there's some plan of how to do it properly I would love to integrate my work with that |
| 20:00.11 | alecs1 | how would you suggest to go about it? |
| 20:01.49 | jdoliner | which structure were you looking at? |
| 20:05.22 | alecs1 | first the rcc |
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| 20:06.45 | alecs1 | here's the original thread where I asked long ago: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=15b5efbc0904270528tb2ebb13y8110236e67d65439%40mail.gmail.com |
| 20:25.56 | ``Erik | *readreadread* hm, and brlcad answered you... are attributes not sufficient? |
| 20:30.50 | alecs1 | I don't know; variant c) from the reply looked like and attractive and easy way to get accustomed to brl-cad code |
| 20:32.07 | ``Erik | funny, it looks like the least easy to me :D |
| 20:32.35 | ``Erik | a looks like the easiest and most simple to me *shrug* |
| 20:34.36 | alecs1 | look at it from the pov of a guy that doesn't know too much about brl-cad; a programmer's first idea is to just add one more data structure :) |
| 20:34.46 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1539 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 6 activity. |
| 20:35.23 | ``Erik | 'cept we have to maintain backwards compatability for the saved files |
| 20:38.52 | starseeker | brlcad: I think we found your next car: http://www.wired.com/reviews/product/pr_veyron_convertible |
| 20:41.04 | elena | i open a database in read-only mode. I type title |
| 20:41.15 | elena | and I get "Sorry, this database is READ-ONLY." |
| 20:41.20 | elena | why is that? |
| 20:41.58 | starseeker | I'm guessing bug |
| 20:42.14 | elena | that's in 7.14.9. |
| 20:42.24 | elena | in 7.10.4 works ok. |
| 20:43.07 | starseeker | Bob's on it |
| 20:43.32 | starseeker | Bob's fixed it |
| 20:43.56 | elena | :) |
| 20:44.24 | elena | bob's quick. I should look for a meaner bug :) |
| 20:45.35 | ``Erik | do not anger the bob! |
| 20:47.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34976 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/title.c: Check if read-only only if modifying the title. |
| 20:48.00 | starseeker | possibly the fastest bug turnaround ever :-P |
| 20:48.32 | elena | thanks. now I can go to bed happy. |
| 20:48.38 | elena | bye. |
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| 21:55.20 | Ralith | d-lo: right; just getting a bit discouraged with all the things not working. |
| 21:55.36 | Ralith | Still got some stuff left to test in the qt-hacking area before I move on to the ogre-centric approach, though |
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| 22:29.46 | tegtmeye | ping brlcad |
| 22:31.37 | ``Erik | he hasn't said anything all day, I think he was heading to some rowing thing u p north for the weekend, he might be chumming or on his way back (or recovering) |
| 22:32.33 | tegtmeye | ot an interesting cad bug |
| 22:33.03 | tegtmeye | os x 10.5 seg fault with two monitors connected |
| 22:33.06 | tegtmeye | works ok with one |
| 22:33.57 | tegtmeye | hear that there is no working version w/10.5 currently? |
| 22:33.59 | ``Erik | funky, my only 10.5 box is my laptop, so no dual head :/ |
| 22:34.02 | tegtmeye | is that correct? |
| 22:34.09 | tegtmeye | jsut found it |
| 22:34.09 | ``Erik | but I thought his desktop was on 10.5 |
| 22:34.22 | tegtmeye | brlcads? |
| 22:34.24 | ``Erik | it works on my laptop *shrug* |
| 22:34.25 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 22:34.51 | tegtmeye | can't find any bugreports for this but someone overthere says its a known issue |
| 22:35.41 | tegtmeye | trying to get it into ports over here |
| 22:37.08 | tegtmeye | I'll track him down tomorrow, thanks |
| 00:03.08 | ``Erik | hm, looks like midterm evals are upon us |
| 00:03.35 | jdoliner | yeah they just went up |
| 00:15.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1540 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Log for 2009-07-05 and addendum to 2009-06-29/30 |
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| 00:39.02 | Ralith | sighs. |
| 00:39.04 | Ralith | another test failed. |
| 00:41.02 | Ralith | okay, time to trace the qt render process. |
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| 01:02.20 | Ralith | hm. |
| 01:03.06 | Ralith | break on line number doesn't seem to work with my distro's packaged qt libs. |
| 01:03.25 | Ralith | I'm guessing they'd need to be built with lots of debugness? |
| 01:03.51 | ``Erik | yeah, needs the stabs in the file |
| 01:08.12 | Ralith | I'm going to have to rebuild qt again? ;_; |
| 01:13.59 | ``Erik | do you need to debug qt itself? |
| 01:16.20 | Ralith | I was going to say yes |
| 01:16.31 | Ralith | but then I tried breaking in some code that Ogre calls at the right time and the backtrace was perfectly usable |
| 01:16.42 | ``Erik | ok, cool |
| 01:36.51 | Ralith | completes the student survey |
| 02:08.03 | Ralith | finishes it. |
| 02:10.03 | Ralith | there was an option for "I have not yet contacted my mentoring organization." O.o |
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| 03:16.10 | monty_hall | can brl cad generate meshes for fem? |
| 03:18.03 | ``Erik | depends on the FEM engine... many like STL, which BRL-CAD can export |
| 03:19.08 | monty_hall | ``Erik: thanks. |
| 03:19.13 | monty_hall | I'm just starting w/ fea |
| 03:19.15 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD has been used to output voxel sets, as well |
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| 07:29.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r34977 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/brepintersect.cpp: Implements the PointIndex class which allows points to be added into a mesh on the fly and makes sure there are no duplicates |
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| 10:12.46 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r34978 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/setup.c: switched brep command to use view wrapper to update screen draws |
| 10:13.34 | d-lo | mernin all! |
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| 14:22.52 | monty_hall | guten morgen |
| 14:23.05 | monty_hall | oops wrong channel. |
| 14:23.09 | monty_hall | still, good morning. |
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| 15:04.43 | alsadi | I'm trying to build brlcad, the function getline in jove_io conflicts the gnu extension getline, how to solve that ? |
| 15:07.11 | d-lo | ``Erik: is there a way to disable building of adrt? I am getting a linker error: ./.libs/librender.so: undefined reference to `MATH_VEC_TRANSFORM' while building in `/home/dloman/devel/brlcad/src/adrt' |
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| 15:25.17 | d-lo | starseeker: FYI, when I configure brlcad to install in my homedir (aka /home/dloman/) tkhtml3.0 still tried to install to '/usr/lib/Tkhtml3.0' |
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| 15:38.09 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34979 10/rt^3/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Work towards having CMake fully working. |
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| 16:59.59 | ``Erik | does not get that error :/ |
| 17:01.46 | d-lo | are there any external deps to adrt that I am not aware of? |
| 17:01.52 | ``Erik | ah, wait, that machine gives the error hrmmm |
| 17:04.31 | ``Erik | yuh oh, something is missing |
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| 17:26.11 | starseeker | d-lo: Huh. That's odd - what OS? |
| 17:26.21 | d-lo | RHEL4 |
| 17:26.39 | starseeker | wonders why it doesn't do it on the mac... |
| 17:27.11 | starseeker | don't suppose anybody's working on integrating Tcl package building with Cmake... |
| 17:27.27 | d-lo | heh, not I! |
| 17:33.16 | starseeker | is sorely tempted to answer "ANSI Common Lisp" to the question "What is your native language?" |
| 17:34.48 | ``Erik | hehehe http://www.explosm.net/comics |
| 17:35.10 | ``Erik | (starseeker is made with alien technology.) |
| 17:35.30 | ``Erik | (in reference to the language statement, not the webcomic...) |
| 17:35.49 | elena | :) |
| 17:35.54 | starseeker | ``Erik: come to think of it, that was a prevailing theory about me in high school... |
| 17:36.23 | ``Erik | erm... alien != dweeb, sorry |
| 17:36.25 | ``Erik | *duck* :D |
| 17:36.40 | starseeker | yeah, alien would have been cooler.. |
| 17:37.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34980 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/ (dm-X.c dm-ogl.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 17:37.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: fix a bug identified by m.tegtmeyer and t.myers where a fixed-size buffer was |
| 17:37.47 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: getting overrun causing a crash. determined that both the X and ogl display |
| 17:37.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: managers had the same bug, now fixed to make the buffer dynamic based on the |
| 17:37.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: number of visuals detected as available (from XGetVisualInfo). got rid of some |
| 17:37.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: dead code and stereo conditionals while we're in here so we can simplify the |
| 17:38.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: logic. this fixes the crash and should scale to insane visual counts (worth |
| 17:48.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34981 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/texture_internal.h: resurrect MATH_VEC_TRANSFORM as a few texture shaders use it. Odd that it went 6 months before causing issue... |
| 17:49.21 | ``Erik | takes off his pants and runs around the office |
| 17:56.57 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34982 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 17:56.59 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: fixed a problem in the ogl and X11 display manager where a fixed size buffer was |
| 17:57.01 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: causing mged to crash. mike and tim pinpointed the problem, I applied a fix the |
| 17:57.03 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: dynamically allocates a buffer large enough for the available visuals. was |
| 17:57.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: previous limited to 256, yet more than 800+ were being returned on Mac OS X 10.5 |
| 17:57.11 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: causing a memory overrun. |
| 17:57.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34983 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: the visual crash bug was fixed. |
| 18:04.24 | brlcad | was recovering all day yesterday |
| 18:07.29 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34984 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: build system bug, tkhtml is reportedly not respecting the installation prefix and trying to install in /usr/lib |
| 18:12.55 | brlcad | elena: the site looks great |
| 18:13.04 | elena | thanks :) |
| 18:13.24 | elena | i'm not bugging you because I know we're moving to a new box |
| 18:13.38 | elena | but we should install a php opcache. |
| 18:13.46 | elena | like apc or xcache. |
| 18:13.59 | elena | it will free up cpu |
| 18:25.41 | ``Erik | elena: would it help you do your development if you migrated to 'the new machine'? it'd have far more up to date software, the ability to install software, and far less resource competition, plus the freedom to muck with apache.conf stuff without worrying about breaking stuff? |
| 18:26.12 | elena | no. i'm ok. |
| 18:26.33 | ``Erik | aight |
| 18:26.46 | ``Erik | much prefers web dev on the new box :) |
| 18:26.47 | elena | but if you think it's better, it's fine with me. |
| 18:27.27 | ``Erik | it's your call, it's just another resource |
| 18:51.18 | elena | sorry. we had a guest. |
| 18:51.30 | elena | it's ok for now, maybe on the news update. |
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| 19:39.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34985 10/rt^3/trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt cmake/FindBRLCAD.cmake): Mods to top level CMakeLists.txt and addition of a more comprehensive search module for BRLCAD libs. |
| 19:42.10 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34986 10/rt^3/trunk/cmake/ (PrintFooter.cmake PrintHeader.cmake): Header and Footer CMake banners. |
| 19:47.23 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r34987 10/rt^3/trunk/cmake/FindBRLCAD.cmake: Cleanup of commented code. |
| 19:53.43 | ``Erik | pi*1337/100 |
| 19:56.30 | jdoliner | 42.0030938 |
| 19:59.13 | _sushi_ | wow |
| 19:59.21 | brlcad | ~pi*1337/100 |
| 19:59.21 | ibot | 42.0030937305 |
| 19:59.57 | ``Erik | nifty, huh? |
| 20:00.11 | jdoliner | ~(sqrt(5)*.5)+.5 |
| 20:00.18 | jdoliner | :( |
| 20:00.31 | jdoliner | ~sqrt(5) |
| 20:01.10 | jdoliner | sean is ibot's one true master |
| 20:01.31 | ``Erik | hm, I think tim is, actually O.o |
| 20:02.01 | ``Erik | brlcad has to hide in the closet when tim gets home O:-) |
| 20:02.16 | jdoliner | hahah |
| 20:02.41 | ``Erik | ohhhhhh, irssi.core, that doesn't smell good |
| 20:07.13 | ``Erik | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php heh |
| 20:37.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1541 10/wiki/User:Jdoliner: Describes the planned algorithm for mesh reconstruction |
| 21:13.22 | mafm | hey Ralith, how's gsoc coming along? |
| 21:16.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34988 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: the ogl display manager still crashes all of X11 on Mac OS X 10.5 if you do an 'attach' (yet tcl gui comes up fine) |
| 21:17.50 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34989 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: credit mike tegtmeyer with special thanks for helping identify the cause of the X11 crash bug on Mac OS X 10.5 |
| 21:31.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1542 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 7 activities |
| 21:36.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r34990 10/brlcad/trunk/ (12 files in 8 dirs): added mged and archer command make_pnts to import point-cloud data into pnts primitive (work in progress) |
| 21:38.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34991 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: |
| 21:38.29 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: update the activity bit on folks; add rain weaver for her support on organizing |
| 21:38.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the brl-cad videos, brl-cad modeling, and most of all for the algorithmic |
| 21:38.33 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: support on the new human proc-db tool; add stephen kennedy for his work coding |
| 21:38.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: up the human proc-db; annotate dawn's other nickname |
| 22:37.29 | brlcad | wonders if 8.5.7 fixes this 10.5 Mac tk crash |
| 22:38.10 | brlcad | so we consistently crash Mac OS X 10.5's X11 with 8.5.6 Tk in a Tk_MapWindow() call (Tk_MapWindow -> WkWmMapWindow -> WaitForEventNotify -> WaitForEvent -> TkUnixDoOneXEvent -> XFlush -> crash) .. there are many other Tk_MapWindow() calls being made that work just fine and this only seems to happen during "attach ogl" |
| 22:38.27 | brlcad | the embedded ogl dm works just fine as do the X dm's |
| 22:54.08 | ``Erik | is it flushing before the contedt is realized or something? |
| 22:57.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r34992 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (brepintersect.cpp brepintersect.h): implements PolylinePolylineInternal which checks 2 polylines to see if either one is contained completely inside the other |
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| 23:33.40 | Ralith | brlcad: X mode work? |
| 23:53.20 | brlcad | X mode works just fine |
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| 23:58.45 | mdavis | anyone home that knows about DSPs? |
| 23:59.55 | ``Erik | digital signal processors? |
| 00:00.11 | mdavis | no no! Displacement maps |
| 00:00.17 | mdavis | (although digital signal processors are very interesting too) |
| 00:00.47 | ``Erik | I'm sure there's some knowedge in the channel |
| 00:01.43 | mdavis | well...I am using 7.14.8...whenever I try to evaluate a DSP, it says invalid NMG |
| 00:02.05 | mdavis | or something of that sort about NMGs..earlier, I even got a NULL pointer something or another |
| 00:03.43 | Ralith | that sounds serious :/ |
| 00:03.45 | Ralith | doing anything weird? |
| 00:10.54 | brlcad | ah, mdavis -- you're trying to export to some polygonal format? |
| 00:10.56 | mdavis | well |
| 00:11.02 | mdavis | yes...i want to export g-stl |
| 00:11.14 | mdavis | and I would also like to do an ev -w |
| 00:11.15 | mdavis | or even just an ev |
| 00:11.43 | mdavis | I spent 36 hours trying to generate an STL of a DSP just for it to go kaput |
| 00:11.54 | brlcad | they all end up calling the same nmg routines |
| 00:12.09 | brlcad | can you provide the .g file with the dsp somewhere? |
| 00:12.17 | mdavis | certainly..give me a second |
| 00:12.24 | brlcad | sounds like a bug of course |
| 00:12.52 | brlcad | anything unusual about the dsp? |
| 00:13.28 | mdavis | well...the one I was really working on was just a plump parabola...this test file just has 6 points or so in it for testing |
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| 00:13.47 | brlcad | and presumably it raytraces okay? |
| 00:13.55 | mdavis | Haven't tried that..let me see.. |
| 00:14.27 | brlcad | either way, can post up details and the .g here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=105292&atid=640802 |
| 00:14.49 | brlcad | I can take a look at it for a little bit tonight, but there others can also take a peek at it |
| 00:15.33 | mdavis | Raytraces fine |
| 00:15.42 | mdavis | visit autolich.com/test.dsp and autolich.com/test.g |
| 00:15.43 | brlcad | good |
| 00:16.54 | brlcad | 404 on both |
| 00:16.58 | mdavis | This file just has the values 12,15,17,14,11,25 |
| 00:17.01 | mdavis | please retry |
| 00:18.33 | ``Erik | facetize works fine on it |
| 00:18.34 | brlcad | I can reproduce the bug here, great! |
| 00:18.49 | mdavis | by the way..although it goes without saying...despite the bug, BRL-CAD is truly awesome and I am VERY appreciative |
| 00:18.57 | stevegt_1 | Hey all -- anyone know the total size of the svn repository (all changesets, not just current)? I'm wondering how practical it is to replicate it to a local hg repository for faster history searches etc. Based on progress so far I'm guessing it's about a half gig... |
| 00:19.02 | brlcad | ah, nice catch ``Erik |
| 00:19.10 | brlcad | that's probably a workable workaround |
| 00:19.32 | brlcad | mdavis: run "facetize test.bot test.s", then g-stl test.bot instead of the .s |
| 00:19.36 | mdavis | I'm afraid I don't know facetize |
| 00:19.51 | ``Erik | well, it means the nmg routines are ok with it, g-stl must be retarded. mebbe i doesn't load the .dsp file correctly |
| 00:19.52 | mdavis | ok..let's se |
| 00:19.52 | mdavis | see |
| 00:20.12 | ``Erik | mdavis: it's a command in mged, creates a 'bot' object, a bunch of triangles |
| 00:20.47 | ``Erik | (Bag O' Triangles, your usual triangle soup) |
| 00:21.38 | ``Erik | yeah, facetize and g-stl works fine, g-stl on the dsp fails |
| 00:22.10 | ``Erik | mged -c test.g facetize test.f test.s && g-stl -o test.stl test.g test.f |
| 00:22.12 | brlcad | ev also fails like he mentioned, so there is some mutual stupidity going on |
| 00:24.12 | mdavis | my processor is blazing up.... |
| 00:24.38 | mdavis | shoot..ran it on the wrong file (the one with the big shape) and the computer freaked out |
| 00:24.42 | mdavis | trying again |
| 00:25.57 | mdavis | OK..I did it and it likes it |
| 00:26.02 | mdavis | have a nice test.bot |
| 00:26.19 | stevegt_1 | ...speaking of history, does anyone know what the a_rbeam member of the rt application structure is all about? It's supposed to be ray beam width, but it looks like it may have never been completely implemented. I was hoping to use it to simulate a laser cut, but rt_shootray returns the same results no matter what I set it to. |
| 00:27.46 | ``Erik | implementation of a non-zero diameter ray has been discussed for many many years, you may've hit the nail on the head, stevegt_1 :/ |
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| 00:29.11 | mdavis | This thing is working great now |
| 00:29.17 | mdavis | Thanks a lot!! |
| 00:29.43 | brlcad | thanks for reporting the problem |
| 00:30.05 | brlcad | feel free to use that tracker if you've found other problems, possibly ones you've since worked around even, or if something new comes up |
| 00:30.10 | ``Erik | yeah, I imagine g-stl on a dsp is going to be working ok in the next few days O.o |
| 00:30.51 | stevegt_1 | Erik: thanks -- thought so. This line of code in prep.c is sooo tantalyzing: rtip->rti_max_beam_radius = 175.0/2; /* Largest Army bullet */ |
| 00:30.56 | stevegt_1 | ;-) |
| 00:31.19 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:31.28 | ``Erik | interest comment |
| 00:31.41 | ``Erik | s/ c/ing&/ |
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| 00:35.14 | stevegt_1 | gotta unplug -- back in a couple hours, i think |
| 00:38.40 | brlcad | cya stevegt_1 |
| 01:46.54 | brlcad | ``Erik: you have 10.5 on your lappy? |
| 01:47.44 | brlcad | if you do, you see a crash if you configure --with-ogl and "attach ogl" in mged? |
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| 03:16.04 | ``Erik | compiling |
| 03:19.27 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 04:20.58 | ``Erik | it eated my X |
| 04:24.53 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/Xcrash.txt |
| 04:27.24 | Ralith | nom |
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| 08:11.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: replaced c99 idioms with c89 compatible ones |
| 08:11.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: a const specifier in ged_make_pnts still need some consideration |
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| 10:26.39 | d-lo | Merinin all |
| 10:27.17 | d-lo | Ralith: Hows it goin? I see the log entries, but its not telling me much :/ |
| 10:28.36 | d-lo | Since g3d isn't directly in the build structure of rt^3 (and rt^3 isnt a production module) is there any way I can get you to start checking in your attempts? (Regardless of whether they work or not) |
| 10:28.55 | d-lo | No one can provide help/guidance if we can't see the code :/ |
| 11:07.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34995 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_ck.c: |
| 11:07.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: revert a change introduced in revision 8121, Mon Dec 27 22:46:05 1993, where the |
| 11:07.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: min_pt/max_pt comparison was (inadvertently?) changed from > to >= which is |
| 11:07.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: causing facetization problems when the structure is empty. this in turn causes |
| 11:07.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: tools that use nmg_triangulate_model() to incorrectly fail (e.g., g-stl). |
| 11:08.50 | d-lo | Wow... 1993 |
| 11:09.09 | d-lo | i was... a sophmore in HS.... wow. |
| 11:20.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34996 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_misc.c: fix geomtry typo |
| 11:55.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34997 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 11:55.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: fixed Invalid NMG empty output bug in g-stl that was reported by mdavis (irc) |
| 11:56.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: that was causing the tool to exit early. the problem seems to be two-fold, that |
| 11:56.02 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the nmg_vface() routine had a minor logic error thinking it needs to abort and |
| 11:56.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the nmg coming out of the dsp's tess routine is possibly an incomplete |
| 11:56.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: structure. |
| 12:30.38 | brlcad | is still hunting for the dsp bug, but is losing steam |
| 12:31.09 | ``Erik | the commits weren't for that? O.o |
| 12:32.13 | brlcad | it fixed half the problem |
| 12:32.42 | brlcad | dsp's tess() is doing something wrong in the construction of the nmg, that's what triggered the validity failure |
| 12:33.08 | ``Erik | shouldn't that trigger on the facetize cmd? |
| 12:33.14 | brlcad | the validity failure was weak, but arguably correct -- facetize happens to work simply because it doesn't validate |
| 12:33.25 | ``Erik | ahhh |
| 12:33.49 | ``Erik | HrrrmmMMmmMMmmm |
| 12:34.44 | ``Erik | non-validated facetization would be far faster and throw less away if the converter doesn't especially require a topologically closed surface, yes? |
| 12:34.54 | ``Erik | is thinking g-adrt shtuff |
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| 13:02.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34998 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_mod.c: mass consistency/ws/style/comment cleanup while browsing |
| 13:02.03 | brlcad | this isn't "non-solid" validation |
| 13:02.20 | brlcad | this is "is the data structure being used and filled in the way it's supposed to" |
| 13:02.51 | brlcad | validating that there is geometry associated with an edge for every face, for example |
| 13:07.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34999 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_mod.c: couple more stragglers missed |
| 13:58.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35000 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (Makefile.am slave/load_g.c): begin the ability to load a .g database into adrt |
| 13:58.56 | brlcad | woot |
| 14:04.18 | ``Erik | :r ../../conv/g-egg.c and some cleanup heh, nothing to w00t about :D |
| 14:04.38 | ``Erik | (neat rev #, tho) |
| 14:04.45 | brlcad | that was the woot :) |
| 14:04.56 | ``Erik | ah |
| 14:11.29 | d-lo | brlcad: You in today? |
| 14:11.43 | d-lo | also, might wanna get a hotel... they are going faaaaast. |
| 14:11.47 | d-lo | ;) |
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| 14:22.34 | brlcad | d-lo: soon as I find this bug or give up, but I've got too much invested to go just yet |
| 14:24.47 | d-lo | okay. Just giving you a heads up. 2 hotels dropped off the available list since I started this morning :/ |
| 14:53.36 | brlcad | woo hoo, think I got it |
| 14:54.14 | brlcad | they come on and go off repeatedly as rooms are released and rescheduled, you can sometimes watch and get lucky even |
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| 15:02.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35001 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp.c: |
| 15:02.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: found the remaining bug that was provoking the dsp to not validate (nmg_vface() |
| 15:02.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: failure and 'nmg_unbreak_handler: no geometry for edge' failures). the problem |
| 15:03.00 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: was some final dsp region cleanup to mark the edges as real and compute the |
| 15:03.02 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: region/shell/edge-level geometry. |
| 15:03.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35002 10/isst/trunk/src/ (gui.c isst.h sql.c): use bu_vls for database and host names. Trim whitespace around names. |
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| 15:07.50 | brlcad | might want to s/strncpy/bu_strlcpy/ on those buffers |
| 15:08.57 | ``Erik | iirc, strlcpy isn't everywhere (and I thought I did s/strncpy/bu_vls/strcpy/ ) |
| 15:09.15 | brlcad | bu_strlcpy |
| 15:09.20 | brlcad | we have a wrapper |
| 15:09.52 | brlcad | implements it if strlcpy isn't available, otherwise identical signature |
| 15:10.19 | brlcad | bu_strlcat too, but didn't see those in use |
| 15:12.23 | elena | interesting. i never meet strlcpy before. |
| 15:12.31 | elena | learns new thing |
| 15:17.33 | ``Erik | after lunch :D |
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| 17:33.02 | jdoliner | indianlarry? |
| 17:33.10 | jdoliner | are you around/ did you get my email? |
| 17:37.40 | indianlarry | hey joe |
| 17:37.55 | indianlarry | yes i got your email and will try and look into this evening |
| 17:39.20 | jdoliner | cool |
| 17:41.29 | ``Erik | mmm, green turtle |
| 17:45.59 | ``Erik | fails to see what bu_strlcpy will buy over bu_strcpy in this situation |
| 17:47.11 | ``Erik | can't buffer overflow and the gtk side guarantees the null terminator O.o |
| 18:05.58 | brlcad | probably nothing, I just noticed one unadorned strncpy from the original code |
| 18:06.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35003 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load.c: get load working again. meh. |
| 18:10.48 | ``Erik | original code used char hostname[64]; and strncpy to avoid running past |
| 18:11.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35004 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: attempt to fill database and master hostnames using envirnment variables |
| 18:11.37 | ``Erik | there're still a couple static string buffers left |
| 18:13.07 | brlcad | ``Erik: what's the diff between field strength and threshold |
| 18:13.32 | ``Erik | field strength is per point, threshold is throughout the entire primitive |
| 18:14.10 | brlcad | how do they play together? |
| 18:14.12 | ``Erik | intends to make a wiki page (and eventually form 1 report) |
| 18:14.22 | brlcad | if I set a non-zero field strength on all points, is threhold ignored? |
| 18:14.29 | ``Erik | no |
| 18:14.30 | brlcad | and vice-versa |
| 18:15.24 | ``Erik | they work together, if you take a point of consideration, field strength and distance are used to compute the points contribution, if the sum of all points contribution is above the threshold, you are inside, otherwise you're outside |
| 18:16.34 | ``Erik | with a single control point, strength 1 and threshold one... changing str to 2 and leaving threshold 1 will have the same effect as leaving str 1 and changing threshold to .5 |
| 18:16.46 | brlcad | so random field strengths + zero threshold is a bunch of spheres no matter how close |
| 18:17.07 | ``Erik | 0 threshold means every point in existence is inside of the metaball |
| 18:18.23 | ``Erik | the formulae are tuned so threshold=1 is "natural" |
| 18:18.37 | brlcad | then is threshold distance-based (size/units-dependent?) |
| 18:18.46 | brlcad | what does natural mean? :) |
| 18:19.05 | ``Erik | threshold=1, 1 control point, fldstr=400 means a 400 unit radius sphere |
| 18:19.43 | ``Erik | (there's a reason for that, in s2) |
| 18:20.00 | brlcad | okay, so not distance |
| 18:20.01 | ``Erik | but 99.999% of outside usage will want threshold=1 |
| 18:20.48 | brlcad | what is method? |
| 18:21.00 | ``Erik | different algorithms O.o |
| 18:21.11 | ``Erik | crafting an explanation email? heh |
| 18:21.20 | brlcad | writing code |
| 18:21.25 | ``Erik | ah |
| 18:21.59 | jdoliner | what do our metaballs use as their falloff function? |
| 18:22.13 | ``Erik | jdoliner: that's what method defines... :D |
| 18:22.43 | jdoliner | I see |
| 18:23.03 | ``Erik | src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c starting at line 244 |
| 18:23.07 | jdoliner | so we provide a number of different options |
| 18:23.11 | jdoliner | reading |
| 18:23.25 | brlcad | okay, more to the point of this.. which 'method' should I use? don't see any API defines/enums, so 0, 1, 42? |
| 18:24.05 | ``Erik | 'iso' is the same formula used to compute gravity or point charge strenght, blob is the '82 blinn blobby surface method, the unimplemented one is the tokyo metaball approximation |
| 18:24.45 | ``Erik | defines are in metaball.c:67 (should move those to rtgeom.h or raytrace.h if people want to muck with the programatically) |
| 18:24.50 | ``Erik | here, lemme do that |
| 18:25.07 | brlcad | found em |
| 18:25.25 | jdoliner | so is is inverse square |
| 18:25.38 | brlcad | an enum in wdb.h would work well since it needs it for mk_metaball |
| 18:27.33 | ``Erik | oh, I was putting it in rtgeom heh |
| 18:29.10 | ``Erik | contemplates rtgeomo.h vs wdb.h |
| 18:29.13 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35005 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 18:29.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Made all limbs join together smoothly with themselves. Also added a feature to allow the creation |
| 18:29.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: of many humans at once using the -N command. |
| 18:30.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35006 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/rtgeom.h src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c): move metaball method definitions to a public header |
| 18:50.50 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:50.59 | brlcad | ``Erik: have you actually used mk_metaball anywhere yet? :) |
| 18:51.18 | ``Erik | hmmmm, newp? |
| 18:51.33 | brlcad | k, didn't think you had :) |
| 18:51.35 | ``Erik | don't think so |
| 18:52.59 | brlcad | the *verts[5] is a bit of a pita to work with :) |
| 18:53.09 | brlcad | at least if you have dynamic sets, having to allocate your points |
| 18:53.37 | ``Erik | *shrug* so make it a bu list |
| 18:53.59 | ``Erik | I think I was starting to put that together to support the proc-db |
| 18:54.04 | ``Erik | and got distracted |
| 18:54.11 | ``Erik | or, rather, redirected |
| 18:54.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35007 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libwdb/wdb.c: fix an infinite loop and add the points in the order the user specified (in case it's significant for their usage, e.g. printing) |
| 18:55.19 | ``Erik | last halloween even heh, with the log of "stubbed out..." |
| 19:11.31 | brlcad | gah, rt_metaball_point_value_metaball() No implemented |
| 19:12.29 | brlcad | of course method "0" isn't implemented apparently.. |
| 19:17.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35008 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: don't bu_exit() inside the library as it cannot be caught like bu_bomb. clean up indent on STEPBACK too with a semi |
| 19:20.20 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35009 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: ws, comment cleanup |
| 19:25.11 | ``Erik | method 0 is the tokyo metaball, was redirected |
| 19:26.50 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/mbug/mbug.png |
| 19:27.18 | brlcad | tis viewing-angle specific |
| 19:27.23 | brlcad | .g is up there |
| 19:27.51 | brlcad | is that right? |
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| 19:42.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35010 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/metaball.c: |
| 19:42.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: hijack the stubbed metaballs example with something entirely different. this |
| 19:42.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: one creates a couple metaballs using the (now working) mk_metaball() routine as |
| 19:42.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: a means to show creation, and next manipulation. to be added is how to read |
| 19:42.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: them back in from the .g and combine them into one megametaball. |
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| 19:51.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35011 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c: eliminate verbose stuff. wire stuff together. |
| 19:53.02 | ``Erik | that don't look right O.O |
| 20:23.30 | brlcad | welp, I just finished debugging a hellish bug early this morning, so that one is up to you! |
| 20:41.47 | Ralith | hehe |
| 20:42.07 | starseeker | Ralith: any more luck with Ogre+Qt? |
| 20:42.59 | Ralith | starseeker: none yet, nope; if I can't find anything useful in the GL intercept results I'll try the ogre centric approach |
| 20:43.28 | Ralith | it's getting pretty frustrating :/ |
| 20:45.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35012 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: minor cleanup, implement rt_metaball_free() |
| 20:45.36 | brlcad | Ralith: did you see d-lo's comments earlier today? |
| 20:46.05 | Ralith | brlcad: have now. |
| 20:46.09 | brlcad | you gotta commit something, else nobody can help -- even if it doesn't work |
| 20:47.01 | Ralith | alright, I'll try to. Haven't been doing so because it's been much more casting around across a wide variety of ideas than focusing on a particular approach. |
| 20:47.21 | brlcad | trying ideas is fine, but should still be committing |
| 20:47.34 | Ralith | kk |
| 20:47.35 | brlcad | as often as you save the file is fine -- i.e., if it compiles, commit it |
| 20:47.42 | Ralith | heh, okay, okay |
| 20:47.55 | brlcad | otherwise "it doesn't exist" |
| 20:48.06 | brlcad | and we have no idea what you've tried |
| 20:48.09 | Ralith | I'll tidy things up so that the test can be built cleanly without interfering with old g3d |
| 20:48.21 | brlcad | could be you tried the right idea weeks ago and had a minor bug |
| 20:48.33 | Ralith | good point. |
| 20:48.40 | brlcad | don't worry about the old g3d, we can resurrect that from svn if needed |
| 20:49.07 | Ralith | I'm hesitant to replace it with nothing but a broken testcase :/ |
| 20:49.11 | Ralith | but alright. |
| 20:50.49 | brlcad | if what you have is a testcase, that could just as easily be added alongside as well |
| 20:50.58 | Ralith | that's what I was saying |
| 20:51.24 | brlcad | how's that interfere? |
| 20:51.28 | Ralith | I mean, it's a little more involved than that, but it doesn't *do* anything, and interacts only minimally with the existing g3d codebase. |
| 20:52.10 | Ralith | I'd rewritten main.cxx to use the QT stuff w/ OgreScene as it would be used in the working app |
| 20:52.26 | Ralith | it would not be much work to just make all that ifdef'd |
| 20:52.53 | brlcad | don't ifdef it, either replace it or copy the file and commit the "second binary" |
| 20:52.59 | Ralith | at the time I had expected that I'd have something interesting working with OgreScene quickly, but seeing as that wasn't the case... |
| 20:53.23 | brlcad | all the more reason that you gotta be committing even more frequently from now on, even if busted |
| 20:53.23 | Ralith | I'll split it, then |
| 20:53.33 | Ralith | that should be even easier, actually |
| 20:53.39 | Ralith | just a matter of copy, revert, tweak cmakelists |
| 20:53.46 | brlcad | otherwise, all we have is an ogre commit and irc logs, and I'm sure you've done more than that |
| 20:55.23 | starseeker | Grrr - where is the "distribute" command used in opennurbs_ext.cpp on line 789 defined?? |
| 20:57.45 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/xref/ident?i=distribute |
| 20:59.05 | brlcad | or were you using emacs, "make tags", then cursor over the word distribute on that line and hit M-. then enter |
| 20:59.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35013 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: stub in .g loading shtuff |
| 20:59.39 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/xref/source/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp <-- starting poitn |
| 21:00.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35014 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c: parse string into filename/treename |
| 21:01.05 | brlcad | gives ``Erik cheesypoofs |
| 21:01.31 | starseeker | is surprised - i thought opennurbs_ext was compiled before brep |
| 21:02.12 | ``Erik | heh |
| 21:04.44 | brlcad | starseeker: doesn't matter |
| 21:04.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35015 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/bomb.c: |
| 21:04.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: annotate that bu_exit() should generally not be called by library code. it's |
| 21:04.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: intended use is by application codes for graceful exit. there are a few |
| 21:04.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: exceptions, but since the exit is not catchable, it's not very polite to |
| 21:04.57 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: applications and doesn't give them a chance to handle the situation or perform |
| 21:04.59 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: their own cleanup. |
| 21:05.05 | ``Erik | gets ready to start screaming "commit" over and over until he sees a msg from a certain user O:-) |
| 21:08.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35016 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: minor ws/indent consistency cleanup, remove author from headers |
| 21:12.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r35017 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: cleanup |
| 21:12.45 | ``Erik | thinks he might have adrt sorta kinda loading .g tomorrow |
| 21:12.58 | starseeker | awesome! |
| 21:12.59 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35018 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:13.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Start cleaning up the opennurbs tree building routines/logic. Would prefer the |
| 21:13.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: flatness test to be a per-node affair (like, say, isLeaf) but need to hit my |
| 21:13.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: head on it a bit more first. For the time being, since there is still active |
| 21:13.16 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: debugging going on with indianlarry and this approach is not yet functional, |
| 21:13.20 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: sticking it into two temporary files that are EXTRA_DISTed. Once the trees are |
| 21:13.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: building successfully in testing, see about rewiring brep.cpp to use the |
| 21:14.37 | Ralith | adrt? |
| 21:14.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35019 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c: db_walk_tree wants char**, not char* |
| 21:14.57 | ``Erik | interactive distributed raytracer thingymajigger |
| 21:15.49 | ``Erik | at the moment, it needs specially prepared geometry in a mysql database... .g loading would make it so people outside of my office and play with it... (related to the isst stuff) |
| 21:15.50 | Ralith | the really pretty one? |
| 21:16.09 | ``Erik | yeah, it's the engine that did the stryker in slat armor image for the gallery |
| 21:16.22 | Ralith | cool! |
| 21:16.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35020 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (opennurbs_ext.cpp primitives/brep/brep.cpp): move the inline distribute() function over to the only place it's actually used in opennurbs_ext.cpp until it's actually needed elsewhere (in which case it probably belongs in the header if it needs to be inline) |
| 21:17.08 | ``Erik | now I'm going to roll my old bones home O.o |
| 21:17.36 | Ralith | why's adrt take so much power, btw? just 'cuz raytracing CSG is inherently a lot of work? |
| 21:18.10 | brlcad | no, not really |
| 21:18.26 | brlcad | it's because it's performing a different style of rendering, global illumination rendering |
| 21:18.40 | Ralith | oh, right, plain old rt is pretty fast |
| 21:18.43 | brlcad | which requires shooting several orders of magnitude more rays to fully simulate light transport |
| 21:19.00 | Ralith | but I ask because I've played with other (at least alleged) GI renderers before that don't take nearly so long |
| 21:19.09 | Ralith | raytracers, that is |
| 21:19.19 | brlcad | what are you comparing to? |
| 21:19.40 | brlcad | the time the stryker image took? |
| 21:19.45 | Ralith | yeah |
| 21:19.55 | brlcad | most GI renderers couldn't have handled that scene |
| 21:20.12 | Ralith | ahh. why's that? |
| 21:20.37 | brlcad | the level of detail in there is a bit misleading fromt he picture alone |
| 21:21.06 | brlcad | there aren't textures in use, there is actually geometry for every single blade of grass and leaf on tree |
| 21:21.20 | Ralith | pulls it up agin |
| 21:21.48 | brlcad | not to mention incredible detail inside the vehicle, every nut bolt and wire along with all of the internal components, not just a surface model |
| 21:21.55 | Ralith | oh damn. |
| 21:22.08 | Ralith | shame not much of that is visible |
| 21:22.19 | Ralith | had forgotten just how ridiculously detailed that scene was |
| 21:22.20 | brlcad | if it were, you wouldn't have gotten to see the picture :) |
| 21:22.27 | Ralith | hehe |
| 21:22.39 | Ralith | what was that modelled for, anyway? |
| 21:23.37 | brlcad | mostly just a demo |
| 21:23.47 | Ralith | that seems like an incredible amount of modeling work for a demo |
| 21:24.30 | brlcad | also notice the number of rays fired.. 8 *trillion* rays is a lot of rays |
| 21:24.44 | Ralith | enough that it's hard to get a sense of scale. |
| 21:24.57 | Ralith | certainly did't leave any visible artifacts. |
| 21:26.20 | Ralith | what generated the trees? |
| 21:26.54 | brlcad | some plugin, it was imported |
| 22:12.33 | ``Erik | the trees and grass came from blender, iirc |
| 22:13.31 | ``Erik | adrt/tie doesn't do CSG, it's straight triangle rendering, but every pixel is something like 256 primary rays... in a path tracing system O.o |
| 22:13.45 | ``Erik | (antialiasing, depth of field, etc) |
| 22:14.45 | ``Erik | with a simple phong shader, it renders a couple dozen 1024x768 frames a second |
| 22:15.20 | ``Erik | (it doesn't require much power at all, that's why it can go above and beyond like that styker image) |
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| 00:42.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35021 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libwdb/wdb.c: missed a commit.. have to initialize the ctrl head else bad things happen |
| 00:46.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35022 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 00:46.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: deprecate the rather useless bu_fopen_uniq() .. would remove it given it's only |
| 00:46.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: in use in one place (dsp plot debug code), but don't know if anyone has relied |
| 00:46.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: on it. go ahead and schedule it for removal. update dsp to just use fopen |
| 00:46.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: instead. |
| 01:07.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35023 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (fopen_uniq.c image.c rb_extreme.c rb_internals.h): remove all calls to bu_exit(). shouldn't be used by library code even for fatal situations. use bu_bomb() instead or (better) cascade the failure up to the application level. |
| 01:23.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35024 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/prep.c: wow, not only shouldn't librt be calling bu_exit, but prep should definitely not be calling it. failing to prep can be quite normal under some circumstances and the application needs to be able to know. |
| 01:27.48 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35025 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ebm/ebm.c: remove the outdated test driver application. better to stash test app in a separate file or proc-db or util or regress. |
| 01:28.27 | ``Erik | all ur bu_exit are belong to brlcad |
| 01:40.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35026 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ebm/ebm.c: mass consistency/ws/style/indent/comment cleanup |
| 01:53.55 | ``Erik | prep.c:1322: error: too many arguments to function 'bu_bomb' |
| 01:54.07 | ``Erik | assumes brlcad forgot to commit include/bu.h |
| 01:54.52 | ``Erik | prep.c:1771: error: incompatible types in assignment |
| 01:55.14 | ``Erik | point_t x; x = INFINITY; <-- ummm, no :) |
| 02:06.47 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35027 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/prep.c: oops, unbreak the build and do major consistency cleanup on prep while we're at it. |
| 02:07.08 | brlcad | yeah, I noticed right away .. just took a while with the rest of the cleanup |
| 03:50.14 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 03:50.35 | ``Erik | ssshhhh |
| 03:55.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35028 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/metaball.c: restructure in preparation for re-reading from the .g we just created so the metaballs can be combined together. |
| 03:57.18 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 03:57.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35029 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: make db_open modes be identical to fopen modes |
| 04:03.11 | yukonbob | minds ``Erik's scolding... |
| 04:03.41 | yukonbob | >.> |
| 04:03.46 | yukonbob | <.< |
| 04:04.56 | ``Erik | what scolding? heh |
| 04:15.59 | yukonbob | how's it going :) |
| 04:22.17 | yukonbob | thrashes his disk doing full table scan on /quereyy |
| 04:24.09 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35030 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_lookup.c: save the callers of db_lookup from *having* to call db_dirbuild. since db_lookup is useless without building a directory, build it automatically if there are no records. |
| 04:26.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35031 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_lookup.c: shoot, breaks the contract. db_lookup is const, db_dirbuild is not, so we're back to manual |
| 04:35.25 | yukonbob | has no love for opennurbs atm. |
| 04:35.25 | yukonbob | fails to build :P |
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| 05:55.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35032 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/metaball.c: add the logic to load up the metaballs we added, and combine them manually into one megametaball via librt/libwdb routines. |
| 05:56.16 | brlcad | aaand that does it |
| 06:50.44 | Ralith | yay! |
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| 09:42.57 | _clock_ | *LOL* |
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| 09:52.54 | louipc | woohoo |
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| 11:02.30 | d-lo | 'Megametaball' That's got a nice ring to it. |
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| 17:52.19 | brlcad | Ralith: any progress today? |
| 17:52.29 | brlcad | still waiting to see that commit ;) |
| 17:52.44 | brlcad | jdoliner: how's it going on your end? |
| 17:53.16 | jdoliner | it's going, although things are getting more complicated than I was hoping |
| 17:53.22 | jdoliner | did you read my wiki post? |
| 17:55.57 | brlcad | yep |
| 17:57.12 | jdoliner | it's kind of a brute force solution |
| 17:57.46 | jdoliner | but it'll get the job done |
| 17:59.02 | ``Erik | does tk have a zomfg fast canvas? |
| 17:59.11 | brlcad | from the big picture perspective, what I'm most worried about is end result being a set of routines that work on a subset of polygonal mesh intersections .. as that is pretty much our nmg library (and there's no way you'll finish all possible situations in a summer) |
| 17:59.48 | brlcad | ``Erik: not really, but it's decent enough for most purposes -- depends on how many canvas objects you have and what rendering goes into it |
| 18:00.30 | jdoliner | what subset do you think they won't work on? |
| 18:01.23 | ``Erik | rgb blits |
| 18:01.25 | brlcad | much of that assumes clean numerics |
| 18:01.30 | ``Erik | think tk isst |
| 18:02.06 | brlcad | real world meshes are absolutely riddled with "errors" that you have to account for where there are floating point tolerance problems on micro and macro scale |
| 18:02.38 | brlcad | our nmg library does a phenomenal job and it only handles 99% or so |
| 18:02.53 | brlcad | more to the point of the project, though, is that polygonal meshes aren't the focus :) |
| 18:02.59 | brlcad | spline surface intersections are |
| 18:03.27 | jdoliner | so should I be working on spline surface intersections instead? |
| 18:04.01 | brlcad | well I presumed from what you've been saying that you've been approaching the mesh side to get a better handle on just how the data structures and logic works out |
| 18:04.05 | brlcad | yes? |
| 18:04.21 | brlcad | since polygonal meshes are certainly "easier" in many regards |
| 18:04.32 | jdoliner | well yes that's been part of it |
| 18:04.50 | brlcad | so that part is good/great/useful |
| 18:05.00 | jdoliner | I was also under the impression for a while though that we needed mesh mesh intersection |
| 18:05.13 | jdoliner | (brlcad src is a big place) |
| 18:05.15 | brlcad | just shouldn't be the whole project given we already have a library that does mesh/mesh intersections .. unless we're going to shift your project to making it even more robust ;) |
| 18:05.58 | brlcad | that was the nmg code I pointed you at in src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_*.c (nmg_bool.c and nmg_eval.c come to mind) |
| 18:06.28 | brlcad | the main difference there is that they use different data structures, a radial edge data structure |
| 18:06.38 | jdoliner | yes |
| 18:06.53 | jdoliner | our code diverges actually very quickly |
| 18:07.06 | jdoliner | can you tell me more about why nmg fails? |
| 18:07.09 | brlcad | high-level, though, they represent arbitrary polygons and will evaluate intersections of those |
| 18:07.18 | jdoliner | well when really |
| 18:07.59 | brlcad | nmg fails on a small subset of geometry mostly due to numerics and tolerance tracking problems |
| 18:08.29 | brlcad | consider three points on a line, perhaps vertices to three polygons o---o---o |
| 18:08.42 | jdoliner | k |
| 18:09.05 | brlcad | it's numerically actually completely ambiguous other than there being only one solution that results in topologically solid geometry |
| 18:09.34 | brlcad | so in the code, it attempts to determine if those vertices are the same or not, for example |
| 18:09.55 | brlcad | so it knows whether to collapse them (so we have solid geometry, critically important) or not |
| 18:10.27 | brlcad | say all three points are within some 'collapse' tolerance of each other, but not the two farthest |
| 18:11.00 | brlcad | if it collapses middle to left, it ends up with a dangling face; if it collpases middle to right, it ends up with a dangling face |
| 18:12.03 | jdoliner | i see |
| 18:12.06 | brlcad | it could collapse left to middle, but then if it collapses middle to right then that original point has drifted drastically from the original value (which can cascade problems) |
| 18:12.29 | brlcad | lifewise right to middle, middle to left, same problem |
| 18:12.50 | brlcad | that "point drift" problem happens all over the place in tiny tiny increments (at a minimum it occurs at the floating point tolerance level) |
| 18:13.52 | jdoliner | okay that would be a problem |
| 18:14.11 | jdoliner | but I have trouble imagining how their could be a real solution |
| 18:14.29 | jdoliner | like how could a system ever avoid this? |
| 18:14.45 | brlcad | there are lots of possible solutions, it just entails a fair bit of book keeping |
| 18:15.43 | brlcad | you either have to track your decisions and be able to back up (akin to a decision tree graph, have to be able to find other solutions) or you keep track of and accumulate error, not allowing error to grow beyond a certain amount |
| 18:17.36 | jdoliner | okay, so basically when we collapse we remember and then if we detect a dangling face or a similar error, we go back and say whoops that wasn't such a good idea afterall and undo it? |
| 18:27.40 | ``Erik | hrmph |
| 18:29.36 | jdoliner | Probably the most important questions is which does brlcad need more, a more robust mesh intersection system, or spline intersection, my inkling is that spline intersection is more needed. |
| 18:31.47 | ``Erik | I'd be apt to agree at this point |
| 18:32.41 | ``Erik | so hop to, boy, onward to spline evaluations :D |
| 18:33.36 | jdoliner | alright then, spline evaluations it is |
| 18:33.54 | indianlarry | the loop/trim logic should carry over to the spline work |
| 18:34.04 | jdoliner | yeah it certainly will |
| 18:34.27 | jdoliner | my work over the past 2 weeks has been with polylines |
| 18:34.30 | indianlarry | wait till you see the tolerance errors in the u.v space trim approximations |
| 18:34.41 | indianlarry | ;^) |
| 18:34.58 | jdoliner | k what code should I start reading? |
| 18:35.21 | jdoliner | ON_Nurbs objects seems like an obvious place to start |
| 18:35.55 | indianlarry | ON_Brep->ON_Surface->ON_Face |
| 18:36.52 | indianlarry | you'll find the trimming loops on the face's |
| 18:37.19 | jdoliner | alrighty |
| 18:43.18 | brlcad | both are needed, people would be just as happy if you made the nmg code tessellations more robust |
| 18:43.28 | brlcad | heck, some would be absolutely ecstatic :) |
| 18:43.48 | brlcad | but that wouldn't be best done by "starting over" .. you'd need to dig into the nmg code and make it more robust |
| 18:44.28 | brlcad | otherwise, original goal definitely is a hot need too, being able to evaluate two NURBS objects and give a resulting object sans booleans |
| 18:45.23 | brlcad | e.g. simple test case is two overlapping boxes unioned together, provide a resulting nurbs box (with or without trims) that is just one object with no boolean |
| 18:45.43 | brlcad | then try to get two spheres, similar situation, then sphere on box, etc |
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| 18:46.49 | jdoliner | k I'll reshift my focus to that |
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| 18:47.07 | jdoliner | but I'll also take a look at the nmg tesselation at some point |
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| 18:47.44 | jdoliner | ban hammer!!! |
| 18:48.30 | brlcad | jdoliner: I'd pick one or the other and run with it :) |
| 18:48.39 | brlcad | too much work to dabble in both :) |
| 18:49.03 | brlcad | given all your investment in mesh logic to date, you're probably just as well poised for either |
| 18:49.07 | brlcad | both have a major impact |
| 18:49.36 | jdoliner | k sounds sage |
| 18:49.54 | ``Erik | if topic contains '%buy%' do exec ipfw ... |
| 18:50.15 | jdoliner | then we'll just get spam to rent things ;P |
| 18:51.08 | brlcad | buy brl-cad! |
| 18:51.20 | ``Erik | if topic contains '%your mom%' ... |
| 18:51.22 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 19:06.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35037 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_cleanup.h: Add distribute to the cleanup opennurbs code too. |
| 19:25.55 | brlcad | jdoliner: so you have an inclination as to which? |
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| 19:31.37 | ``Erik | ja, /20.0 -> /200.0 gives better display results :/ |
| 19:35.43 | brlcad | cool, that's good actually |
| 19:35.51 | jdoliner | my inclination right now is toward spline intersection |
| 19:36.11 | brlcad | just a matter of making that tweak dynamic .. as opposed to an outright but that takes a while to hunt/fix ;) |
| 19:36.30 | brlcad | jdoliner: okay, then I'd say run down that way and don't look back :) |
| 19:36.53 | ``Erik | *hackhackhack* |
| 19:36.59 | brlcad | I would suggest starting with a high-level goal like i mentioned instead of low-level, just to have a simple test-driven goal |
| 19:37.07 | ``Erik | have a dynamic thing coded up, compiling now ot test |
| 19:37.32 | brlcad | like box/box intersection, find the result .. write a test harness and work towards getting that test harness working with all the behind-the-scene detail |
| 19:37.32 | ``Erik | all keepin' me from .g loading in isst, bastage |
| 19:37.53 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:38.11 | brlcad | well I know the sec dave or that dude try the sample code, they're going to see the bug :) |
| 19:38.28 | jdoliner | k sounds good boxes in brepcube are a good starting point |
| 19:38.32 | brlcad | already anticipate having to explain why mk_metaball() is going to crash for them :) |
| 19:38.36 | jdoliner | for wriiting the test |
| 19:39.11 | brlcad | yeah, or even starting with a .g that has two cubes already placed with an operation |
| 19:39.19 | brlcad | then dealing with them at the code level |
| 19:39.34 | brlcad | just so you don't get caught up in all the nasty that is involved in manually stitching together brep objects |
| 19:40.45 | jdoliner | k, what can I read about the .g format, I'm a bit unfamiliar with how to put operators in it |
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| 20:16.13 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35038 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/rtgeom.h src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c): fix "scalloping" bug by making step size depend on the smallest control point as well as the bounding sphere radius. Cache initial and final step sizes in the internal representation. |
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| 20:36.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35039 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Plugging along with opennurbs_ext cleanup - compiles now but trimming isn't working. |
| 21:45.46 | brlcad | hello Patmcc19 |
| 21:58.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r35040 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: added deallocation of internal structure when exit on error for make_pnts command |
| 22:18.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35041 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: add support to rt to have a viewsize/scale/zoom option so you don't have to provide a -M view script just to get a bigger zoom size |
| 22:19.33 | brlcad | hehe, ``Erik .. you made it a lot worse :) |
| 22:21.38 | ``Erik | ermmmm, it looked fine on the 2 things you provided? |
| 22:22.14 | brlcad | try running the metaballs tool and render meatballs.s |
| 22:22.37 | ``Erik | might have to tweak the formula or numbers for finding the 2 step sizes |
| 22:22.51 | ``Erik | ups and installs on his lappie |
| 22:23.07 | brlcad | yeah, there are like no anamolies on the middle, but now misses a solid 30% of the model |
| 22:23.25 | ``Erik | hm |
| 22:23.25 | brlcad | oh, ya know what.. I think I had a mod in there too |
| 22:23.30 | brlcad | hold on, lemme make sure it's not me |
| 22:23.39 | ``Erik | if anything, it'd be missing stuff in the middle, not towards th eedges |
| 22:24.38 | brlcad | hm, yeah, not just my mod |
| 22:24.52 | brlcad | pretty interesting pattern |
| 22:26.25 | ``Erik | it rendered the 'make' primitive as well as the two in the .g file you provided just fine when I committed :/ |
| 22:26.37 | ``Erik | *shrug* compiling away, touched rtgeom.h heh |
| 22:26.44 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/mbug/mbug2.png |
| 22:26.49 | ``Erik | looks like something common to mged got touched, too |
| 22:27.31 | ``Erik | 404 |
| 22:28.03 | brlcad | refresh |
| 22:28.25 | ``Erik | neat |
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| 22:46.28 | Witch_Doc | anyone here use navisworks? |
| 22:54.26 | ``Erik | ok, I see the issue, I have to contemplate the interplay of the different values to get the formula right |
| 22:54.40 | ``Erik | forages |
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| 23:17.05 | stevegt_ | hey all -- does anyone know of any python bindings for librt, SWIG or otherwise? |
| 23:18.37 | stevegt_ | ~seen brlcad |
| 23:18.42 | ibot | brlcad is currently on #bzflag (13h 2m 54s) #brlcad (13h 2m 54s). Has said a total of 64 messages. Is idling for 50m 39s, last said: 'refresh'. |
| 23:20.08 | ``Erik | there was discussion about making a swig interface, but it never went anywhere, and I haven't heard of any python bindings :/ |
| 23:24.32 | stevegt_ | thanks ``Erik -- just wanted to check before I spend any time on it |
| 23:25.37 | stevegt_ | another alternative would include patching nirt -- afaict, onehit is hardcoded... |
| 23:25.54 | stevegt_ | or else i'm crazy |
| 23:26.03 | ``Erik | swig interface to bu, bn, rt, ged, etc would probably be greatly appreciated and get snarfed into the repo pretty quickly |
| 23:26.12 | stevegt_ | i bet it would ;-) |
| 23:26.25 | ``Erik | nirt is a fairly specialized rt shell |
| 23:27.38 | stevegt_ | i'm wanting to be able to do batch python scripting of raytrace-based toolpath generation jobs, nirt looks like it might almost work, except for onehit... |
| 23:28.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35042 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: more futzing with step sizes. This seems to render all the current test cases reasonably. |
| 23:28.31 | ``Erik | would like to do lisp coding around librt :) |
| 23:28.40 | ``Erik | mebbe ruby, too |
| 23:29.14 | stevegt_ | welll... i suppose if someone were to make a working .i for librt, then you could use SWIG for lisp, python, perl, whatever... |
| 23:29.33 | ``Erik | if you have experience with swig, include/bu.h include/bn.h include/ged.h include/raytrace.h to see how easy it would be to integrate? *shrug* |
| 23:31.09 | stevegt_ | i did try the simple thing, including raytrace.h in the SWIG .i file -- blows chunks though; my first guess is that it's going to actually need some wrapper functions |
| 23:32.22 | ``Erik | hm, bu.h might be the best first target, raytrace depends on libbn and libbu, libbn depends on libbu, ... |
| 23:32.37 | ``Erik | bu just requires a sane system and tcl |
| 23:32.49 | stevegt_ | SWIG docs say it doesn't run cpp, so I think that means all of brl-cad's macro function names are going to be in the way... |
| 23:33.31 | ``Erik | hrm, perhaps convince make to run the headers through the preprocessor and sick swig on the output of that? |
| 23:34.48 | stevegt_ | i ran cpp on raytrace.h myself, of course that pulls in the whole world, starting with stdio.h... at some point someone's either going to have to massage cpp output, or just write a SWIGable library on top of librt |
| 23:35.06 | stevegt_ | hmm. maybe nirt might be a place to start with the latter |
| 23:35.43 | stevegt_ | start with the nirt code, kill main()... |
| 23:35.45 | ``Erik | I'm sure once some code hits the disk, bikeshed discussions will start about how it SHOULD have been done :) |
| 23:36.01 | stevegt_ | yep |
| 23:36.16 | ``Erik | so *shrug* release early, release often :) |
| 23:36.43 | stevegt_ | do you have SVN commit access? |
| 23:36.46 | ``Erik | yes |
| 23:37.31 | stevegt_ | about how big is the local sandbox? (I'm still running checkout) |
| 23:37.47 | ``Erik | if you have something you'd like to contribute, upload it to the sourceforge patches tracker and hollar, someone will respond pretty darn quick :) |
| 23:37.54 | ``Erik | um, "local sandbox"? |
| 23:38.14 | ``Erik | on my mac, after everything is compiled, it all adds up to 730 megs |
| 23:38.40 | stevegt_ | okay -- then i'm getting close |
| 23:39.11 | ``Erik | I think it's more like 80-100 megs before compiling? *shrug* |
| 23:40.13 | stevegt_ | uh oh -- i'm at 430 and counting so far -- you must be talking about trunk only or something |
| 23:40.20 | ``Erik | yes, trunk only |
| 23:40.33 | ``Erik | um, if you are getting every branch, that's many gigs :( |
| 23:41.04 | ``Erik | svn co https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 23:41.22 | stevegt_ | kills his 'svn co' and starts over ;-) |
| 23:44.22 | ``Erik | ok, here we go, if you add up the tags and branches, there are 95. You were checking out 95 copies of BRL-CAD :D |
| 23:44.44 | stevegt_ | nope |
| 23:45.04 | stevegt_ | i was checking out 95 copies of brlcad, as well as jbrlcad, rt^3, etc... ;-) |
| 23:45.19 | ``Erik | ah, those arne't tagging or branching |
| 23:45.28 | ``Erik | so 95 BRL-CAD's, plus the other five or 6 |
| 23:45.32 | stevegt_ | gee |
| 23:46.11 | brlcad | stevegt_: hehe |
| 23:46.19 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 23:46.20 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 23:46.29 | brlcad | that there be the main line |
| 23:47.14 | brlcad | hmm.. python bindings. not directly, but you can certainly script mged from python just fine and do nearly everything |
| 23:47.53 | ``Erik | doublecheck my metaball fix, brlcad, I think I have it 'ok' now. performance is kinda wonky, but it seems to do ok on all the geometry I threw at it |
| 23:48.03 | brlcad | it would be very trivial to bind libged to python, just nobody has done so (or needed to thusfar) |
| 23:48.14 | brlcad | yeah, saw the commit, was just about to try |
| 23:48.39 | brlcad | will find some way to press the limits even further :) |
| 23:48.50 | ``Erik | asymptotic performance of it is now noncontinuous :( |
| 23:48.52 | brlcad | that script does make it trivial to make arbitrarily complex blobs |
| 23:49.24 | ``Erik | mebbe some day I'll build an acceleration structure into the guts of it *sigh* |
| 23:49.35 | brlcad | riight :) |
| 23:50.12 | ``Erik | yeah, about 6 months after I retire and find an ancient todo file. |
| 23:50.32 | brlcad | stevegt_: I wouldn't start with raytrace.h .. ged.h is a lot simpler interface, a little higher level |
| 23:50.39 | stevegt_ | brlcad: looking |
| 23:51.06 | brlcad | what did you mean about nirt's onehit? |
| 23:51.16 | brlcad | nirt is pretty configurable (and scriptable) too |
| 23:51.34 | brlcad | it has a command-mode similar to mged |
| 23:53.05 | brlcad | stevegt_: fyi, also very keen on handing out commit access to folks that are actively interested in getting involved that are easy to work with, regardless of their project/goals/interests |
| 23:55.55 | brlcad | HACKING has some basic guidelines on top of that, but it mostly amounts to "do no harm" and aims to keep the project cohesive (we're complex enough as it is to be arguing over petty issues) |
| 23:58.55 | stevegt_ | brlcad: <grin> re complex ;-) |
| 23:59.00 | brlcad | ``Erik: fyi, they're about to tag a final 3.4 itcl just so you know -- guys have been bugging them so they can update the ports entry, there is a b1 posted now |
| 23:59.29 | ``Erik | hm, I finally got vidar back up and running, I still have to update cad/brlcad :/ |
| 23:59.32 | ``Erik | and a few others heh |
| 23:59.39 | ``Erik | bugle, gauche, ... |
| 23:59.51 | brlcad | vidar? |
| 23:59.54 | ``Erik | poor machine went a year without updates |
| 00:00.00 | ``Erik | yeah, my -current box at home |
| 00:00.15 | brlcad | that sounds pretty gaydar :) |
| 00:00.23 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 00:00.32 | brlcad | now .. vigor :) |
| 00:00.44 | ``Erik | heh, pheer my norse mythology machines. |
| 00:00.58 | ``Erik | vidar == god of vengence |
| 00:01.22 | stevegt_ | was confused: the line of code in nirt.c which i thought turns on onehit is turning it off instead -- i must be doing something else wrong though |
| 00:02.09 | ``Erik | or onehit doesn't quite do what you think it does :) |
| 00:03.12 | brlcad | assume you've seen: http://brlcad.org/w/images/f/fe/Interactive_Raytracing_-_The_nirt_Command.pdf |
| 00:03.44 | stevegt_ | wonders if he has to actually configure some 'fmt' commands to get nirt to show anything past the first hit |
| 00:03.47 | brlcad | starseeker wrote a pretty extensive guide to using and configuring nirt |
| 00:05.11 | stevegt_ | brlcad: no, i hadn't seen that PDF yet -- very cool |
| 00:05.26 | brlcad | linked from http://brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 00:05.39 | brlcad | yeah.. not well organized on the doc front still :) |
| 00:05.55 | brlcad | there's still a lot more not even uploaded, but it'd just get even more messy |
| 00:07.56 | brlcad | stevegt_: I intentionally didn't add distribute() to the header since it was basically being used as an implementation detail and not part of the interface |
| 00:08.15 | brlcad | doesn't matter much at this point, but worth noting |
| 00:17.51 | stevegt_ | brlcad: the docs that aren't uploaded -- are they in svn? |
| 00:20.41 | brlcad | some are, many aren't.. docs accumulated over the years |
| 00:21.09 | brlcad | figure a 1M codebase, 25 or so years .. lot of docs, presentations, papers, etc have been written |
| 00:22.04 | stevegt_ | yep -- and i'm assuming some only exist on paper at this point |
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| 00:23.29 | stevegt_ | i'm noticed that google can't find some of the papers referred to in the bottom of man pages |
| 00:23.35 | stevegt_ | s/i'm/i've/ |
| 00:24.46 | stevegt_ | now *there's* a possible GSoC project -- organize, scan stuff in... |
| 00:25.44 | brlcad | heh, I wish.. gsoc has to be coding |
| 00:25.52 | brlcad | ghop perhaps |
| 00:26.19 | brlcad | I try to get new folks introduced by having them work on docs, but they tend to get quickly absorbed into coding *ahem* |
| 00:27.28 | brlcad | still think our greatest accelleration of activity could be gained by putting (a LOT of) effort into well organized docs and sources, even without new features or improved gui |
| 00:27.38 | stevegt_ | yes |
| 00:28.13 | stevegt_ | i've been spending > 50% of my time reading code 'cause i can't find what i'm looking for in docs |
| 00:28.26 | stevegt_ | that's gotta be a hurdle ;-) |
| 00:28.40 | brlcad | tis a major project, though .. and major organization feat, and not very exciting work for most :) |
| 00:28.50 | brlcad | yeah |
| 00:29.03 | brlcad | getting the new website up certainly helped a lot, but even that was just a start |
| 00:37.47 | yukonbob | hello, cadheadsw |
| 00:37.50 | yukonbob | *cadheads |
| 00:39.39 | stevegt_ | goes to get the kids -- bbl |
| 00:40.40 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob! .. half hoped you might clean up all that wiki spam we got :) |
| 00:40.44 | brlcad | cya stevegt_ |
| 00:56.01 | yukonbob | brlcad: /me hadn't seen spam |
| 00:56.25 | yukonbob | brlcad: how's it going? Long time, no chat |
| 00:58.00 | brlcad | going pretty good |
| 00:59.48 | yukonbob | doesn't see spam... |
| 01:01.01 | dtidrow | brlcad: i see that Lee is doing some OpenSceneGraph work - is he back from his 'sabbatical'? |
| 01:09.08 | brlcad | dtidrow: yep, he's back |
| 01:09.20 | brlcad | been back for nearly a year now? |
| 01:09.41 | dtidrow | heh - that's how far out of the loop I've been ;-) |
| 01:09.49 | brlcad | yeah, maybe more than a year actually .. |
| 01:10.03 | brlcad | yukonbob: I took care of it all already |
| 01:10.08 | dtidrow | so what's he doing with OSG/ |
| 01:10.11 | dtidrow | ? |
| 01:10.48 | dtidrow | (note to self - get new keyboard to fix sticky shift key...) |
| 01:20.09 | yukonbob | is there anybody else who isn't loving compiling opennurbs (i.e. isn't successfull)? |
| 01:24.14 | ``Erik | hasnt had issues with opennurbs, just libpc :/ |
| 01:45.41 | brlcad | dtidrow: interactive visualization, related to his research project back in utah |
| 01:46.09 | brlcad | yukonbob: yeah, no problems here nor have I heard of any |
| 01:51.07 | yukonbob | will pursue... |
| 02:07.15 | brlcad | ``Erik: woo hoo .. feels like it's an order of magnitude slower now, but no problems observed thusfar |
| 02:12.13 | starseeker | indianlarry: does the nurbs_sphere.s test case work for you with latest svn? |
| 02:14.50 | ``Erik | it is much slower, the speed now is mostly dependent on the smallest field strength |
| 02:15.20 | ``Erik | irregardless of the bounding sphere diameter |
| 02:15.37 | ``Erik | so a small control point in a big bounding sphere does a LOT more point checks |
| 02:20.16 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35043 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CMakeLists.txt OgreScene.cxx OgreScene.h): Split Ogre/Qt work off into a separate target (make ogretest). |
| 02:20.20 | Ralith | can someone build g3d to see if it's survived my hackery? My updated ogre install here breaks RBGui so I can't easily test myself. |
| 02:24.07 | Ralith | it *should* be okay; the only error I'm getting is the one concerning RBGui/Ogre unhappiness, but it would be nice to be sure. |
| 02:39.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35044 10/rt^3/trunk/include/GE/io/DataStream.h: include sys/types.h for definition of uint |
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| 03:41.02 | Ralith | ooh, I think I've found a way to step Qt without reimplementing QApplication! |
| 03:42.17 | Ralith | this should make the ogre-centric approach much easier. |
| 03:48.08 | Ralith | wait, what |
| 03:51.43 | Ralith | that's funny... |
| 03:56.45 | Ralith | oh wow, I think ogre's been flipping buffers this whole time after all |
| 04:00.34 | Ralith | DAMN. |
| 04:00.36 | Ralith | that didn't solve it. |
| 04:07.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35045 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ogretest.cxx: Added a file forgotten from my previous commit. |
| 04:08.07 | Ralith | on the up side... |
| 04:08.11 | Ralith | custom event loop works |
| 04:08.16 | Ralith | mainloop* |
| 04:08.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35046 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreScene.cxx: |
| 04:08.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Removed a call that was causing Ogre to go through a full render sequence (undesirable, as it involves buffer flipping and possibly |
| 04:08.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: other actions based on the assumption that Ogre is the only user of the context), and disabled Ogre rendering altogether to test Qt |
| 04:08.44 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: operation with a custom event loop (successful). |
| 04:33.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35047 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/QtRenderListener.h: Beginnings of the QtRenderListener, which should eventually allow Qt to render cleanly on Ogre's terms. |
| 04:34.01 | Ralith | grabs food |
| 05:22.35 | Ralith | returns and starts hacking on the impl |
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| 08:48.42 | Ralith | hokay, semi-ogre centric (managed to rely on Qt more than I had initially expected) implementation put together; now to rewrite the test code to find out if it works. |
| 08:51.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35049 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/QtRenderListener.cxx: Added a safety check to prevent any attempt to use the listener with a non-OpenGL Ogre backend. |
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| 09:30.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: fixed crash on MS Windows with brlcad.dll |
| 09:30.57 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: trim.m_ei = -1 => this trim lies on a portion of a singular surface side |
| 09:30.59 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: (see src\other\openNURBS\example_brep\example_brep.cpp) |
| 09:32.18 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35051 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: fixed crash on MS Windows with brlcad.dll and nurbs_test.g |
| 09:41.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35052 10/brlcad/trunk/src/nirt/ (Makefile.am nirt.dsp): MSVC 6.0 isn't supported any more |
| 10:14.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1557 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Logs for 2009-07-08 and 2009-07-09 |
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| 13:05.26 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35054 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: metaball scalloping was fixed last night (I hope) |
| 13:07.56 | ``Erik | *mumble* |
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| 14:10.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35056 10/brlcad/trunk/src/nirt/nirt.c: |
| 14:10.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: no extra setmode for MS Windows |
| 14:10.09 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: we need the O_TEXT mode here: it converts the CR-LF from the input stream to a single LF (and vice versa for the output) |
| 14:16.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35057 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): include the nirt program in the MS Windows CMake build |
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| 14:34.04 | ``Erik | explains what sleep() does to his officemate. *sigh*. |
| 14:34.56 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:35.33 | brlcad | better to teach him what "man 3 sleep" does |
| 14:35.41 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35058 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Cleanup of some of the vector equations, and some reworking of the method the human is generated. |
| 14:35.47 | ``Erik | ah, theboy, that, um, line wasn't in the history file |
| 14:36.00 | ``Erik | if'n ya noticed my sudo spaz earlier |
| 14:40.14 | ``Erik | huh, no joy :/ |
| 14:41.33 | ``Erik | ahhhhhhh |
| 14:41.41 | ``Erik | was using the wrong username heh |
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| 17:27.32 | brlcad | hello elena |
| 17:28.27 | elena | hi. |
| 17:28.45 | elena | how are you? |
| 17:28.56 | brlcad | great! |
| 17:29.26 | brlcad | playing with the metaballs example tool at the moment |
| 17:30.41 | brlcad | was hoping the recent fix worked ... and it almost does .. but not quite, has lots of anamolies still |
| 17:30.51 | elena | bugs are not funny. |
| 17:30.52 | brlcad | albeit on a massive metaball dataset.. 10k points :) |
| 17:32.50 | elena | i don't know what's that. |
| 17:36.35 | brlcad | they're "blobby" shapes that are defined by points and threshold/weighting factors |
| 17:36.42 | brlcad | example: http://brlcad.org/tmp/metaball.png |
| 17:37.06 | elena | i've notice a lot of talk around them lately. |
| 17:37.35 | brlcad | yeah, I was putting together an example of using them in code |
| 17:37.48 | brlcad | found a handfull of issues that we've been working on fixing |
| 17:40.26 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/metaball2.png even better example |
| 17:41.47 | elena | nice. |
| 17:42.05 | elena | the former was the funnier :) |
| 17:42.56 | brlcad | hehe |
| 17:46.23 | ``Erik | since it's a sampling algo instead of a solver, there'll always be 'anomalies', it's a tradeoff between how many and how fast :( |
| 17:46.56 | elena | nice. |
| 17:46.56 | ``Erik | mebbe the initial and final step sizes should be user specifiable |
| 17:49.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35059 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: the lingering ogl framebuffer after an rt is consuming 100% cpu (sometimes?) until the window is closed. needs to sleep/select instead of spin. |
| 17:49.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35060 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/metaball.c: |
| 17:49.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: add the ability to be able to specify how many points you want instead of just |
| 17:50.01 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the previous hard-coded value. uses 1/111, 10/111, and 100/111 for the three |
| 17:50.03 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: datasets it creates (with at least 1 per set) so that the final is close to the |
| 17:50.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: requested value (plus one or two more). |
| 17:55.01 | brlcad | ``Erik: http://brlcad.org/tmp/mbug/mbug3.png .. it's pretty close, just a little chewing |
| 17:55.21 | brlcad | and it didn't take as long as it seemed, maybe 5-10 min |
| 17:55.56 | brlcad | granted, with some partitioning, that'd probably be down to less than a min :) |
| 17:56.18 | ``Erik | making the initstep size smaller will alleviate that... feel free to come up with a better formula, it's not computed per ray anymore, so there's no need to make it simple and fast *shrug* |
| 17:56.35 | ``Erik | it's now in _prep |
| 17:56.36 | ``Erik | :D |
| 17:57.28 | ``Erik | figuring out which formula is being used might be important O.o |
| 17:58.00 | ``Erik | is guessing there is an "unreasonably small" point in your cloud forcing it into t he bounding volume algo |
| 17:59.55 | brlcad | hehe, just printed/sorted all balls |
| 18:00.03 | brlcad | smalles is 0.000574094 |
| 18:00.53 | brlcad | 20 or so are an order "bigger", then everything else is an order larger (0.01+) still |
| 18:01.12 | brlcad | largest is 51.1789 |
| 18:01.31 | ``Erik | and the bounding volume radius? a couple thousand? heh |
| 18:05.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35061 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Continue tweaking opennurbs cleanup files |
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| 18:22.20 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Made arms get limb positioning externally of arm function. |
| 18:22.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added command line attribute to make premade stances, '-s#' |
| 18:22.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: -s0 = stand -s1 = sit, -s2 = drive |
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| 18:38.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35063 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/text.tcl: Update tab_expansion proc to work with the new expand behavior (i.e. expand returns an empty string if nothing suitable is found in the database). |
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| 19:02.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Also refined some poses, so there are now 4 programed- |
| 19:02.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: stand, sit, drive, arms out, fancy sit |
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| 19:54.59 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1558 10/wiki/More_Changelog: /* July 7 - Today */ |
| 20:08.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35065 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): More nurbs tweaks - getting visual artifacts in the sphere when I use sane flatness settings that are due to intersection failures on the hierarchy - so far haven't successfully tracked down the problem. |
| 20:09.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35066 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/librt/librt.vcproj: Added brep_debug to the librt build. |
| 20:12.56 | starseeker | growls in frustration |
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| 20:24.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35067 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/3ptarb.c: Free memory. |
| 20:27.16 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35068 10/brlcad/trunk/ (56 files in 5 dirs): |
| 20:27.18 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: These changes fix bug 2278126 (i.e. rt doesn't get geometry path right). The |
| 20:27.20 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: tact was to replace the solids list with a display list where each item in the |
| 20:27.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: list refers to what was asked to be drawn. Each of these display list items has |
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| 20:39.42 | jdoliner | what tools does brlcad already have for polynomial manipulation, solving evaluating etc? |
| 20:41.40 | jdoliner | aha libbn/poly.c |
| 20:45.43 | jdoliner | is there support for multivariate polynomial anywhere? |
| 20:46.26 | pacman87 | jdoliner: not that i found, and the solver is limited to 4th order |
| 21:14.34 | jdoliner | well I definitely need those to proceed |
| 21:15.01 | pacman87 | what are you trying to do with multivariable polynomials? |
| 21:15.05 | pacman87 | systems of equations? |
| 21:15.11 | jdoliner | yes |
| 21:15.35 | jdoliner | nurbs surface intersection |
| 21:15.39 | jdoliner | to be precise |
| 21:16.00 | pacman87 | two second-order two-variable equations can be combined to get a fourth order single-variable equation for one variable |
| 21:17.15 | pacman87 | if you need higher-order polynomials, you may have to use an iterative solver |
| 21:18.00 | jdoliner | In the literature they use the dixon resultant |
| 21:18.31 | jdoliner | we don't have any such solvers already implemented do we? |
| 21:18.46 | pacman87 | i don't know enough to answer that |
| 21:19.51 | jdoliner | k |
| 21:20.25 | jdoliner | brlcad impart some wisdom? |
| 21:25.45 | ``Erik | told him to look at irc |
| 21:26.17 | jdoliner | thanks |
| 21:44.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35069 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Cleaned up some code |
| 21:51.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35070 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Changes to get things building on MSVC8. |
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| 22:40.30 | stevegt_ | is pondering two alternatives: (1) write his 2d laser cutter toolpath generation tool as a C executable (2) write it as a python wrapper around nirt and mged |
| 22:42.01 | stevegt_ | given my python currency and C rustiness, I'm favoring the latter, but don't want to make people go "ooooh, yuck" |
| 22:42.20 | stevegt_ | s/the latter/the python route/ |
| 22:45.45 | stevegt_ | seems like brl-cad's history has favored special-purpose C executables in ./bin, rather than special-purpose scripting around fewer, more general-purpose C cores |
| 22:46.50 | Ralith | stevegt_: a wrapper around nirt and mged would be a very strange thing to do, considering that you'll want to interact with rt directly. |
| 22:47.18 | Ralith | what you could do instead would be write a python API for rt and whatever else you need, and then use that in python. |
| 22:47.38 | stevegt_ | Ralith: so far it's looking like nirt's custom outputs can give me everything i need |
| 22:47.42 | stevegt_ | other than speed ;-) |
| 22:48.06 | Ralith | stevegt_: still a very strange thing to do, and probably relatively slow at that. |
| 22:48.06 | Ralith | using the API directly would be immensely cleaner |
| 22:48.14 | Ralith | and probably less prone to breakage |
| 22:49.55 | stevegt_ | i agree that the "right" thing to have would be python bindings for librt and/or libged etc. -- but that give me a much longer lead time to get the machine design project done that i'm actually supposed to be working on |
| 22:50.08 | stevegt_ | i'm already getting pressure to "just use solidworks" ;-) |
| 22:50.14 | Ralith | actually, wrapping a C API in your language of choice is usually trivial |
| 22:50.20 | stevegt_ | s/give/gives/ |
| 22:50.43 | Ralith | I'm not familiar with python's relevant facilities, but it's generally a task so straightforward as to be easily automated :P |
| 22:50.48 | Ralith | in fact... |
| 22:51.04 | stevegt_ | Ralith: brl-cad's use of macros for function names makes SWIG less straightforward to run |
| 22:51.19 | stevegt_ | afaict anyway |
| 22:51.26 | Ralith | that would be odd; it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do |
| 22:51.47 | Ralith | things like POSIX actually explicitly state that macros can be used interchangably with functions in many contexts |
| 22:51.53 | stevegt_ | SWIG doesn't run cpp |
| 22:52.01 | Ralith | good thing the API you'd be wrapping is C :P |
| 22:52.26 | stevegt_ | so it's "easier" to just write a new .h, rather than use e.g. raytrace.h or ged.h |
| 22:52.37 | Ralith | wat |
| 22:53.11 | Ralith | stevegt_: like I said, the API is all C. |
| 22:53.16 | Ralith | there's no C++. |
| 22:53.19 | stevegt_ | when i say "cpp" i mean "the C preprocessor" |
| 22:53.27 | Ralith | oh :P |
| 22:53.31 | Ralith | that's a highly ambiguous term |
| 22:54.11 | Ralith | so run SWIG on the functions and rewrite the macros in python? |
| 22:54.30 | ``Erik | heh, only to retards who fuck up terminology and think cpp means c++, instead of using .c++, .C, .cxx, ... |
| 22:54.32 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:54.33 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 22:55.00 | Ralith | :[ |
| 22:55.19 | Ralith | .C is a bad idea |
| 22:55.24 | Ralith | given the existence of case insensitive filesystems |
| 22:55.26 | stevegt_ | deletes a line about "dinosaurs like me who think of C++ as a new language" |
| 22:56.29 | stevegt_ | s/new/new and unproven/ |
| 22:57.01 | Ralith | stevegt_: and of course a pure C implementation would be cool too, simply because of the drastically smaller overhead, but if you're not comfortable in C and don't have the time to become so then it's not worth the effort |
| 22:59.51 | stevegt_ | Ralith: I think it's one of those things where I'd better go ahead and do it the fastest way, lest it not get done at all ;-) |
| 23:00.01 | Ralith | reasonable. |
| 23:00.21 | stevegt_ | or at least try -- the parsing of mged output might slow things down enough that i'd have to go to pure C anyway |
| 23:00.56 | Ralith | what do you need mged for? |
| 23:01.02 | stevegt_ | depends on how many rays I wind up working with for a reasonably-complex assembly |
| 23:01.38 | stevegt_ | I *think* I need mged just to list the basic shapes, so I know I'm hitting all of them while discovering holes and other booleans |
| 23:02.45 | Ralith | er |
| 23:02.51 | Ralith | all you should need to know is the region you're targeting |
| 23:02.58 | Ralith | which the user is supposed to provide |
| 23:06.08 | stevegt_ | i need to be able to make sure that any grid or other pattern is fine-grained enough to hit hairline features -- they are easy to machine with a laser, and do get used |
| 23:06.46 | Ralith | the way you do that is by shooting enough rays that your resultant toolpath is guaranteed to be more precise than the machine can produce |
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| 23:11.39 | ``Erik | you can ignore mged and write a treewalk routine to collect all the region names. |
| 23:12.15 | stevegt_ | Ralith: i guess i'm (possibly prematurely) trying to optimize, was thinking about adaptively sizing a tight grid around edges, ignoring the rest -- if i just to a uniform grid, then we're looking at about a half-billion rays for a 20" square |
| 23:12.18 | ``Erik | db_walk_tree() or one of that family |
| 23:12.23 | stevegt_ | the laser precision is 50 um |
| 23:12.52 | Ralith | stevegt_: did you expect you wouldn't be using a lot of rays? :P |
| 23:12.52 | stevegt_ | ``Erik: in python |
| 23:12.55 | Ralith | don't optimize prematurely. |
| 23:13.04 | Ralith | make it work, THEN make it fast. |
| 23:13.50 | stevegt_ | Ralith: i'm going to have to do some performance proof of concepts up front -- maybe i don't need the adaptive grid |
| 23:14.42 | Ralith | stevegt_: unless you're trying to shoot rays via calling an external tool one ray at a time it should be fine. |
| 23:17.19 | Ralith | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.12 | stevegt_ | i'm thinking to essentially drive nirt as a filter, control both stdin and stdout/err from the python script, so it only needs to fork once, keep it fed with a stream of rays |
| 23:19.52 | stevegt_ | i'll test the speed of all this this weekend, see if it makes sense at all |
| 23:22.39 | stevegt_ | anyway, Ralith, ``Erik, thanks for being a sounding board -- i can see now that i need to do the performance testing next, before i decide anything else |
| 23:33.56 | Ralith | np |
| 23:33.58 | Ralith | best of luck! |
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| 05:15.48 | Ralith | quiet evening |
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| 06:55.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35074 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ogretest.cxx: Moved to Ogre's mainloop |
| 06:59.15 | Ralith | hm. |
| 07:01.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35075 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (QtRenderListener.cxx ogretest.cxx): Added the usual test widget, which does not render correctly, but which has some interesting side effects on what is rendered. |
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| 07:05.31 | Ralith | wait |
| 07:05.36 | Ralith | I guess that's not a side effect of the widget |
| 07:05.37 | Ralith | damn. |
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| 07:09.32 | Ralith | ooh |
| 07:09.33 | Ralith | promising, I think |
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| 07:13.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35076 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ogretest.cxx: |
| 07:13.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Switched to a custom mainloop which instructs Ogre not to swap the OpenGL |
| 07:13.32 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: buffers, because Qt presumably does this. While it has not been determined |
| 07:13.34 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: whether Qt's buffer swap occurs at the right time, this has a promising side |
| 07:13.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: effect: a corner of the render window contains a block of white, the default |
| 07:13.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: background color of Qt's rendering. |
| 07:14.34 | Ralith | I wonder if that guy Assaf who came up with this approach is still around. |
| 07:21.03 | Ralith | listens to his hdd click away |
| 08:40.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1559 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Log for 2009-07-10 |
| 08:43.14 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1560 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Added additional notes on the questionable safety of Qt's buffer swap to 2009-07-10's log entry |
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| 11:17.07 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
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| 13:56.47 | brlcad | stevegt_: either of those two alternatives should work. anything you write in 2 could be pretty trivially rewritten as 1 by one of us |
| 13:59.10 | brlcad | stevegt_: and you're right regarding special-purpose binaries in a unix-style that do one thing (presumably well) and that can be tied together with other commands, mged then adds a slew of special-purpose scripting facilities (in Tcl) on top of that -- there are about 400 binaries, about 700 tcl commands (although many are "dev" commands) |
| 14:04.21 | brlcad | the performance of scripting nirt really shouldn't be a problem unless you need to invoke nirt or mged thousands/millions of times, then the overhead starts to heavily outweight the ray-shooting time |
| 14:04.43 | brlcad | if you just invoke nirt once and keep streaming it commands, it'll be negligible |
| 14:07.17 | ``Erik | unless the geometry is insane (millions of regions or something) |
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| 14:25.12 | brlcad | the more insane the geometry is, the even less of a problem scripting nirt/mged will be though |
| 14:26.08 | brlcad | ah, you mean a heavy prep .. yes, that's true |
| 14:27.12 | brlcad | prep+shot have to be on par or less than process creation+initialization overhead to start with, at least within order of magnitude I'd say |
| 14:29.51 | ``Erik | the, uh, woogie/skippy geometry I have takes over a minute to prep on my workstation :( parallel prep would be nice |
| 14:34.40 | ``Erik | http://brownsharpie.courtneygibbons.org/?p=21 |
| 14:34.42 | ``Erik | heh |
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| 15:11.11 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35077 10/isst/trunk/ (Makefile.am configure.ac src/Makefile.am utils/Makefile.am): cleanup. Remove unused library info. distcheck acid test. |
| 15:25.39 | brlcad | yeah, we do need parallel prep, it's just going to get worse |
| 15:27.04 | brlcad | i think the best approach for that will be to break up prep into its contituent parts (bounding sphere, bounding box, precalcs), and parallelize those |
| 15:27.33 | brlcad | though it probably wouldn't take much book-keeping to also parallelize each primitive's prep independently too |
| 15:29.54 | ``Erik | was thinking a task graph with dependancies to build a queue and a worker set *shrug* |
| 15:35.54 | brlcad | does a doubletake at the new user :) |
| 15:36.04 | brlcad | how'd you capture the data dependencies? |
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| 15:36.50 | ``Erik | huh? |
| 15:37.02 | ``Erik | if you don't like the new user, migrate to the new machine, damnit |
| 15:37.25 | ``Erik | I'm trying to futz for a semi-safe daily rsync cron :( |
| 15:37.27 | brlcad | no, it's fine, just made me doubletake =() |
| 15:37.46 | brlcad | who? .. someone break in .. oh right, heh |
| 15:44.07 | ``Erik | blehehhhh |
| 15:47.50 | ``Erik | there we go heh |
| 15:49.41 | brlcad | :) |
| 15:50.44 | ``Erik | echo "0 0 * * * root echo 'migrate to the new machine!' | write sean" >> /etc/crontab |
| 15:50.46 | ``Erik | *cough* |
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| 17:22.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:23.17 | brlcad | signs up for google voice, conviently finding a baltimore city prefix with his balanced prime house number |
| 17:40.15 | Axman6 | i'm seriously considering submitting that to bash.org for how geeky it is :) |
| 17:51.14 | ``Erik | don't forget qdb.us if you do that |
| 17:51.42 | ``Erik | is annoyed that both of them have gone to updating so infrequently :( |
| 17:57.21 | Axman6 | :( |
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| 18:59.28 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35078 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_cleanup.h src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp): More tweaking openNURBS cleanup |
| 19:34.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35079 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_cleanup.h src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp): |
| 19:34.39 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Hmm. There is some flaw in the way the surface tree is being built (the leaves |
| 19:34.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: are coming out different, and the intersects hierarchy test is reporting misses |
| 19:34.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: where geometrically there shouldn't be misses.) Will have to more carefully |
| 19:34.47 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: compare how the trees are being built between old and new methods. |
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| 23:06.12 | Ralith | brlcad: there you are! |
| 23:06.15 | Ralith | how're my commits? |
| 23:19.09 | brlcad | Ralith: they are great, keep it up :) |
| 23:19.27 | brlcad | that's exactly what should be sustained from everyone .. :) |
| 23:19.39 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 23:19.56 | Ralith | current approach is promisingish |
| 23:20.31 | Ralith | I'm sort of abusing Qt but it may get/have gotten us at least partway there.. |
| 23:21.37 | Ralith | s/.././ |
| 23:22.04 | Ralith | I managed to make it ogre-driven while still having Qt manage the OS window |
| 23:22.27 | Ralith | I have to say, I'm appreciating how flexible that toolkit is already. |
| 23:32.49 | brlcad | aaah, the reminders get sent today, hm |
| 23:33.22 | brlcad | yeah, I saw the looping updates -- not sure I'd call it abuse :) |
| 23:33.32 | brlcad | they make it flexible for this exact sort of purpose |
| 23:33.54 | brlcad | another option is/was to inherit off of one of the base classes and override behavior |
| 23:41.45 | Ralith | I'm not sure how I'd do that and to achieve the goal of getting Qt to render when Ogre wants it to |
| 23:42.09 | Ralith | short of somehow deferring all opengl calls |
| 23:45.20 | Ralith | the original approach with OgreScene overriding QGraphicsScene's drawBackground amounted to rendering Ogre when Qt wanted it to, and didn't really work at all. |
| 23:46.12 | Ralith | though if this doesn't work out, I think I'll try using Assaf's state-reset techniques within the QGraphicsScene drawBackground; they're rather more elaborate than what I had attempted. |
| 00:53.36 | Ralith | if you have any ideas on other approaches, I'd love to hear them |
| 01:20.28 | Ralith | brlcad: should I be committing things that amount to "let's see what happens when I comment *this* bit out!" |
| 01:21.40 | ``Erik | if it's just thrash, probably not... if you find a handful that actually make it closer to what you want, probably... |
| 01:22.39 | Ralith | yeah, if it actually makes a noticable improvement I'll certainly be checking that in. |
| 02:21.00 | brlcad | Ralith: if it does anything at all interesting (i.e. worth commenting on even if just mentally to yourself) beyond "well, shit, that didn't do anything" .. then yeah, probably should commit it |
| 02:35.15 | Ralith | it's mostly the "well, shit, that didn't do anything" case I was wondering about. |
| 02:35.18 | Ralith | thanks |
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| 05:10.25 | Ralith | okay, something weird is going on. |
| 05:11.02 | Ralith | I comment out the loadIdentity for the GL texture matrix, and the corner of white goes to a full window of white. |
| 05:11.11 | Ralith | I uncomment it, and it stays that way. |
| 05:11.34 | Ralith | (also, it appears that the white isn't from Qt as hoped; the presence or abscence of the Qt call doesn't effect it. |
| 05:13.53 | Ralith | ) |
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| 06:52.34 | Ralith | and now it's started being a corner again, and I haven't even changed the code. |
| 06:52.35 | Ralith | wth. |
| 06:53.30 | Ralith | it seems to change at random. |
| 06:53.38 | Ralith | (not during a run, though) |
| 07:03.13 | Ralith | contacts the author of the Ogre raw OpenGL rendering code he's been working off of |
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| 10:48.49 | ``Erik | OpenGL is a state machine, could it be that you were seeing uninitialized state left over on the card (or in the driver)? |
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| 21:31.18 | Ralith | ``Erik: uninitialized? I don't entirely follow. |
| 21:31.39 | Ralith | I mean, Ogre's doing its rendering, and then Qt's doing its own, and both are meant to operate on a raw context; I would imagine any uninitialized state would be taken care of. |
| 21:31.55 | Ralith | I'm pretty sure the white background is actually a side effect of a 'clear pass' that the reset code does |
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| 21:33.59 | ``Erik | I d'no how qt and ogre work, I know back in the day, doing straight OGL, if you attached a context and viewed it without drawing to it, you'd get the results of the last render, if you didn't set the matrices, they'd still have the old values (even though the old program stopped and the new one started) |
| 21:34.54 | ``Erik | just like some os's would have arbitrary junk in memory you just malloc'd from some other program that had used that memory before |
| 21:34.58 | Ralith | yeah, there's quite a bit of code in there that goes out of its way to tidy up after Ogre so other rendering can be done, and restore to the state Ogre expects afterwards. |
| 21:35.18 | Ralith | so assuming that code is complete, that shouldn't be an issue. |
| 21:35.19 | ``Erik | *shrug* then that's probably not it, was just an idea :) |
| 21:35.23 | Ralith | yeah |
| 21:35.27 | Ralith | good one |
| 21:35.41 | Ralith | considering that it's such a big issue that it needs explicit handling in the first place |
| 21:43.11 | ``Erik | <-- used to have something of a clue, way back in the day O:-) |
| 21:43.27 | ``Erik | y'know, with the punch cards and magentic drums and audiocouple tty's and all that |
| 21:43.40 | Ralith | hehe |
| 21:43.45 | Ralith | back when you could see the bits with the naked eye? |
| 21:49.50 | ``Erik | shit, we used two pieces of wire and a small magnet to do input |
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| 02:50.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r35080 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: |
| 02:50.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: added adjacent face code to curve trims, also added cleanup of face hitlist |
| 02:50.14 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: for cases where multiple INs/OUTs of faces encountered |
| 02:53.22 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r35081 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: add adjacent face code to curve trims |
| 02:54.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r35082 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: add adjacent face code to trim curves |
| 02:56.12 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r35083 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/brep.c librt/primitives/brep/brep_debug.cpp): added more debugging code/options to mged brep command |
| 06:53.34 | Ralith | brlcad: I'd like to discuss the possibility of just not rendering Qt into the OpenGL context, at least for now; most of the rest of what I proposed to work on can be completed with Qt simply sitting on *top* of the context, although some parts might not be quite as shiny as would otherwise be possible. |
| 06:54.43 | Ralith | and I don't think it would take much rewriting to modify said work to operate inside a GL context when a way is (hopefully) eventually found. |
| 06:55.24 | Ralith | considering how standard Qt widgets and even entire windows can be literally dropped directly in with little or no special consideration. |
| 06:56.25 | Ralith | I can produce much more visible and interesting work this way, and continue conversations with more Ogre- and Qt-knowledgable people to work out the GL issue in the background. |
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| 11:59.00 | d-lo | Mernin all!! |
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| 13:01.37 | ``Erik | *burp* |
| 13:03.04 | ``Erik | any news on the injector/server project, d-lo? |
| 13:36.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35084 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/cleditor/STEPfile.inline.cc: |
| 13:36.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: apply a simple patch that should hopefully fix sf bug 2820579, reported by Jeff |
| 13:36.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Meldrum (jspaces) regarding a const to non-const conversion. according to a |
| 13:36.23 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: handful of online sources, c++ apparently changes the signature of strrchr from |
| 13:36.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the posix C decl with two overloaded possibilities, both input and return are |
| 13:36.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: either const or non-const. |
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| 14:30.19 | d_rossberg | d-lo: to have a header file with defines for the version numbers appears to be an issue of its own |
| 14:36.17 | d_rossberg | d-lo: because of the common.h issue i need to have a look at my linux build at home ... |
| 14:39.05 | d-lo | ah! minimized the irc window. Sorry. |
| 14:39.36 | d-lo | fyi a simple rename of common.h to cicommon.h worked like a champ. |
| 14:40.14 | d-lo | Looking through things, I see that in order to generate {RT3}/include/brlcad/brlcadversion.h, you have to have the source from the BRLCAD module. |
| 14:41.00 | d-lo | One of the assumptions I am making for the CMake build system in the rt^3 module is that, at a minimum, there is a BRLCAD install on the machine. Not necessarily the source. |
| 14:41.24 | d-lo | so I suppose I need to find out if there is a way to extract versioning information from a BRLCAD install. |
| 14:41.28 | d-lo | .... anyone know? |
| 14:42.02 | d_rossberg | this would have been my next question :) |
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| 14:42.32 | d-lo | i remember running across it somewheres.... just gotta find it :/ |
| 14:43.27 | d-lo | There is a string reference to the package version on line 412 in brlcad_config.h |
| 14:44.35 | d-lo | heh, I don't even know if its possible to do string parsing with CMake.... |
| 14:45.31 | _clock_ | d-lo: if it's turing equivalent then definitely yes :) |
| 14:48.35 | d_rossberg | my philosophy with the core Interface is something different from yours: |
| 14:48.50 | d_rossberg | the core interface is the interface for external programs |
| 14:49.13 | d_rossberg | there shouldn't be any other include/brlcad |
| 14:50.07 | d_rossberg | and, to be honest we don't have such a directory at the moment |
| 14:50.21 | d-lo | Hrm, then, I suppose, the question is: Why are there coreInterface include files in rt3? By that philosphy, shouldn't they be in the brlcad module? |
| 14:50.40 | d_rossberg | the include/brlcad from the installation has to be added explicitely (i hink) to the inlude paths |
| 14:50.56 | d_rossberg | d-lo: yes |
| 14:51.03 | d-lo | the include/brlcad from the BRLCAD installation? |
| 14:51.10 | d_rossberg | however, that's my opinion |
| 14:51.25 | d_rossberg | the one you have the problem with |
| 14:52.59 | d_rossberg | now i remember: i added only the include/brlcad directory from the installation to the include paths |
| 14:53.08 | d-lo | Heh, well, if its your opinion that they should be in the BRLCAD module... put em there :) They're your babies, store them wherever you want :) don't let that BRLCAD guy tell you otherwise :) |
| 14:53.29 | d_rossberg | i.e. not the inlude directory alone |
| 14:54.22 | d-lo | ah, so {BRLCAD_INSTALL_PATH}/include/brlcad/ and not {BRLCAD_INSTALL_PATH}/include/ ? |
| 14:54.35 | d_rossberg | this way i didn't get the confusion between the two common.h |
| 14:54.46 | d_rossberg | d-lo: yes |
| 14:55.53 | d-lo | Another question then: What is stopping you from moving the coreInterface files into the brlcad module? |
| 14:57.44 | d-lo | doesn't want to sound offensive. Just trying to get rt^3 whipped into shape. |
| 14:58.07 | d_rossberg | there are still some incompatibilities: e.g. which files should be copied into the installation directory at include/brlcad ? :) |
| 14:59.38 | d-lo | why not put all your headers into include/brlcad/ci/ ? |
| 14:59.46 | d-lo | resolves a lot of problems... |
| 15:00.15 | d_rossberg | no, they are intended for include/brlcad |
| 15:00.50 | d_rossberg | on the other side, d-lo, you have a point ther with the common.h issue |
| 15:01.15 | d-lo | heh, well I am good at causing, er, finding problems. |
| 15:01.42 | d_rossberg | the core interface should be usable in virtually every program |
| 15:02.20 | d-lo | Right, but how does having the includes in include/brlcad/ci/ change that? *confused* |
| 15:03.19 | d_rossberg | i.e. we may solve the issue with our own includes, but it could be wise to have a prefix for the BRL-CAd headers |
| 15:03.53 | d_rossberg | ... i see the ci as the only interface, so why should it be in a subdirectory? |
| 15:04.32 | d-lo | Organizational reason only. |
| 15:05.03 | d-lo | As far as I can tell, common.h is the only conflict. all the rest of the coreInterface headers don't conflict. |
| 15:05.34 | d-lo | And for organizational reasons, you are thinking that there should be prefixes on headers? Did I understand that correctly? |
| 15:06.57 | d_rossberg | at the moment it is only an idea, i thought brlcad/ is already prefix enough ... |
| 15:07.16 | d-lo | ah, okay. I see what you mean. |
| 15:07.52 | d-lo | I haven't looked at the difference in the files, but is there a way to merge the two common.h's or should it be solved by a rename of one of them? |
| 15:08.31 | d_rossberg | you could rename it to brlcadcommon.h |
| 15:08.44 | d_rossberg | this name would match with brlcadversion.h |
| 15:09.30 | d-lo | so rt^3/include/brlcad/common.h -> rt^3/include/brlcad/brlcadcommon.h ? |
| 15:09.39 | d_rossberg | yes |
| 15:10.10 | d-lo | and then once that rename is done, would there be any other problems moving the coreInterface files to the brlcad module? |
| 15:10.14 | d_rossberg | and maybe rt^3/include/brlcad/globals.h -> |
| 15:10.28 | d_rossberg | rt^3/include/brlcad/brlcadglobals.h |
| 15:10.39 | d-lo | okay, the globals makes sense also. |
| 15:11.01 | d_rossberg | the other file names start with a capital letter |
| 15:11.07 | d_rossberg | i.e. are unique |
| 15:11.42 | d_rossberg | (at least fot *IX) |
| 15:12.10 | d-lo | right on. |
| 15:13.03 | d-lo | If you would like, I can move the coreInterface files over to the BRLCAD module... or I can just leave them where they are and unwire them from the CMake build system I am making. Your choice, whatever you feel like. :) |
| 15:16.29 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35086 10/rt^3/trunk/cmake/FindBRLCAD.cmake: Fixing some bugs in FindBRLCAD.cmake |
| 15:21.38 | d_rossberg | how does this go together with your plans with the "Geometry Engine"? |
| 15:22.34 | d-lo | I am working on changing the whol rt3 module over to CMake, and since coreInterface is in the rt3 module, I assumed I needed to work it in to the build also. |
| 15:24.46 | d_rossberg | i meant you wanted to make the coreInterface part of your GE |
| 15:26.35 | d_rossberg | has to go now |
| 15:51.00 | brlcad | ~seen madant |
| 15:51.01 | ibot | madant <i=cb7baf0f@gateway/web/freenode/x-a32eed164597bd06> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 9d 19h 29m 7s ago, saying: 'nothing more disastrous than non-cooperative softwares ;)'. |
| 15:51.30 | d-lo | wow... 9 days |
| 15:58.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35087 10/rt^3/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Unwiring coreInterface from CMake for now. There is a dependancy that requires the brlcad source to be present on the computer instead of just the installation. |
| 15:58.41 | d-lo | howdy brlcad ! |
| 16:08.45 | d-lo | hates having an ogre<->boost dep. |
| 16:08.49 | d-lo | bangs head on wall. |
| 16:18.15 | d-lo | Ralith: based on what I have read, I think your current approach is the best. You may have to modify your GSoC goals though. |
| 16:20.22 | brlcad | boost is an easy dep, just a bunch of header files :) |
| 16:20.59 | d-lo | right, but ogre isn't building without it. Even when i set OGRE_USE_BOOST to OFF, it still tries to link against it :/ |
| 16:21.21 | brlcad | so? .. don't turn it off.. |
| 16:21.46 | d-lo | not to mention, when it IS properly linking, its claiming that boost::thread::hardware_concurrency() doesn't exist... when it does. grrr. |
| 16:22.01 | brlcad | or you mean they don't provide it and our subset doesn't provide what they need either? |
| 16:22.05 | d-lo | Right, I have tried it both ways, both have compile problems. |
| 16:22.21 | d-lo | I have boost installed in its entirety. |
| 16:22.27 | brlcad | boost threading is in the core, which brlcad module provides |
| 16:22.47 | d-lo | Even with that, ogre is failing |
| 16:23.00 | brlcad | then that's a problem with ogre, not boost |
| 16:23.08 | d-lo | right. |
| 16:23.16 | d-lo | never said it wasn't. :) |
| 16:23.50 | brlcad | well the "hate" is still somewhat misplaced :) |
| 16:24.19 | brlcad | i mean you're free to hate whatever you want, of course :) |
| 16:24.27 | d-lo | I was gonna say... |
| 16:24.33 | d-lo | its MY hate not yours. |
| 16:24.35 | d-lo | get your own |
| 16:24.41 | brlcad | i hate you! |
| 16:24.48 | d-lo | *GASP* |
| 16:24.59 | d-lo | Don't me hatin |
| 16:25.14 | brlcad | hates d-lo's ogre<->boost hate |
| 16:25.41 | d-lo | I figure since Ogre loves boost so much, I *MUST* hate boost. Seems natural. |
| 16:27.18 | brlcad | aside: you do know that most/many of the core (tr1) components of boost are going to become part of the c++ standard, yes? |
| 16:27.18 | d-lo | when I build BRLCAD and install it, does libboostcore get installed also> |
| 16:27.20 | d-lo | ? |
| 16:27.53 | d-lo | Yeah, you mentioned that. I figure that will be a good time to become a pure C Zealot. ;) |
| 16:28.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:29.26 | brlcad | libboostcore?? |
| 16:30.05 | d-lo | yes, boost's core lib that you said is in the brlcad module. |
| 16:30.17 | brlcad | it's not a lib, it's headers |
| 16:30.24 | d-lo | well, whateveritsactuallycalled. |
| 16:30.53 | d-lo | so it gets installed then? |
| 16:31.22 | brlcad | if you mean do we install the headers, I don't believe so at the moment as there was no need |
| 16:32.00 | brlcad | would be trivial to install, but if we do that, we probably should bundle more than we are bundling so it's a complete dependency |
| 16:32.06 | brlcad | not a subset like it presently is |
| 16:32.15 | d-lo | Well hell. How am I going to make Ogre behave then..... hrm |
| 16:32.23 | brlcad | or you make rt^3's build require having a brlcad source tree as well |
| 16:32.39 | brlcad | or you just require folks install all of boost first, old school |
| 16:33.53 | d-lo | I was wondering about that... what would be your opinion of 'best practice'? Linking rt3 to a brlcad install or making rt3 dependant on the brlcad source? |
| 16:38.21 | brlcad | plenty of projects do both, the latter tends to suck more as it's just mostly dev convenience |
| 16:38.36 | brlcad | rt3 already requires a brlcad install, that's inevitable |
| 16:39.21 | brlcad | and our project practice is towards dependency management, not user-required actions (having them install boost would be a user-required dependency action) |
| 16:39.44 | brlcad | short term, though, doesn't really matter -- so, they have to install qt+boost |
| 16:40.18 | brlcad | long term, can probably upgrade the boost dep in brlcad module to a full copy and have it fully managed like other deps |
| 16:41.44 | d-lo | alrighty then. |
| 16:41.58 | d-lo | Have you read up on what Dr Rossberg and I were yaking about? |
| 16:42.18 | starseeker | thinks cracking proper Qt/OGRE integration would be very useful, even if it produces less visible result... |
| 16:43.46 | d-lo | starseeker: when I get install permission failures concerning tkhtml3, do i need to --disable-documentation to bypass that? |
| 16:44.11 | brlcad | not yet, working on evals |
| 16:44.11 | starseeker | no, that's a mistake in the make file |
| 16:44.24 | starseeker | is that that nroff thing? |
| 16:44.25 | d-lo | brlcad: okie. |
| 16:44.30 | starseeker | huts |
| 16:44.34 | starseeker | er, hunts even |
| 16:44.42 | brlcad | has indianlarry done his eval yet? |
| 16:44.53 | brlcad | he hadn't as of this morning |
| 16:45.00 | brlcad | only has an hour or so before the deadline |
| 16:45.05 | starseeker | I'll ask |
| 16:49.19 | starseeker | d-lo: what's the specific failure on the permission? |
| 16:49.44 | d-lo | I don't have access to /usr |
| 16:49.50 | d-lo | err write access |
| 16:51.45 | starseeker | hmm. |
| 16:52.02 | starseeker | I remember seeing that, and it had something to do with tkhtml.n |
| 17:05.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35088 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkhtml3/Makefile.in: Don't set DESTDIR to empty in tkhtml3 Makefile.in |
| 17:05.28 | starseeker | d-lo: does that help? |
| 17:05.43 | d-lo | lemme check. |
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| 17:09.53 | d-lo | *buildbuildbuild* |
| 17:13.04 | d-lo | starseeker: Nope :( still getting: mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/lib/Tkhtml3.0': Permission denied when trying to install to /home/dloman/ |
| 17:13.24 | starseeker | hmm |
| 17:16.55 | starseeker | grr |
| 17:21.58 | brlcad | could be some DESTDIR problem if there are custom install rules (not that there should be custom install rules) |
| 17:22.40 | starseeker | is wondering if the TEA extensions are getting into the act |
| 17:22.50 | brlcad | hm, could be |
| 17:22.57 | brlcad | loooks like they do have DESTDIR properly |
| 17:23.20 | starseeker | that's why I nuked the empty DESTDIR line - thought perhaps that was killing the DESTDIR feed from configure |
| 17:23.42 | starseeker | wonder why it doesn't happen on all platforms... |
| 17:24.19 | starseeker | ponders a pleading email to the TEA devs to integrate with autoconf/automake out of the box... |
| 17:24.24 | brlcad | maybe it does |
| 17:24.41 | starseeker | just did a make install on the mac - went to my local directory |
| 17:24.52 | brlcad | have him send you his Makefile that was generated, compare it to yours |
| 17:25.45 | d-lo | starseeker: do you have write permissions to /usr/lib/ ? |
| 17:25.54 | starseeker | I shouldn't |
| 17:26.14 | starseeker | nope |
| 17:26.21 | d-lo | starseeker: FYI, just got same error. |
| 17:27.01 | d-lo | where is the brlcad.org pastbin again? |
| 17:27.19 | starseeker | ~pastebin |
| 17:27.20 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 17:28.02 | starseeker | well, I don't see ours there... |
| 17:29.00 | d-lo | ah ha: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 17:30.29 | d-lo | starseeker: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m94c45f1 |
| 17:33.18 | ``Erik | *readreadread* |
| 17:33.54 | brlcad | d-lo: you can tell rain that I made her some ceviche de camarones |
| 17:33.56 | brlcad | i'll bring some in for everyone to try tomorrow |
| 17:34.07 | d-lo | kk |
| 17:34.08 | ``Erik | that sounds... so.. wrong... |
| 17:34.35 | brlcad | so yummy! |
| 17:34.47 | d-lo | from Rain: Spicy |
| 17:34.48 | d-lo | ? |
| 17:35.04 | d-lo | 'Rain's Spicy' that is. |
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| 17:52.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35089 10/isst/trunk/src/main.c: set database and master hostnames in main() |
| 17:53.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35090 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: extract attach code out of validation function |
| 17:57.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35091 10/isst/trunk/ (8 files in 2 dirs): indent. |
| 18:02.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35092 10/isst/trunk/src/main.c: fix wrong variable being set. woops. |
| 18:02.18 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35093 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: have .g loading automatically attach to the master daemon. |
| 18:06.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35094 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp: Ooops - add in the check to ensure bounding box dimensions are not degenerate in x, y or z |
| 18:17.43 | brlcad | not so spicy |
| 18:17.57 | brlcad | I made it pretty mild |
| 18:18.21 | brlcad | she'll probably still think it's hot, but it's not anywhere near what I usually do |
| 18:18.39 | brlcad | only used a few habaneros for nearly 2lbs of shrimp |
| 18:21.44 | brlcad | starseeker: any reason to not just increment the amount you tested against? |
| 18:22.13 | brlcad | pushing both max and min will make it 2x that value, should be enough |
| 18:22.22 | brlcad | and a lot tighter |
| 18:23.34 | starseeker | brlcad: That's an option - right now I'm just trying to reproduce the bounding box behavior of the original code |
| 18:23.41 | starseeker | still not there yet :-( |
| 18:24.46 | starseeker | Once I do, I can go back and tighten it to the tolerance and see what that does :-) |
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| 18:29.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35095 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c: join slave_load_g() and some_intermediate_function() |
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| 18:35.37 | ``Erik | *snrkt* wells fargo sueing itself, grand |
| 18:37.39 | starseeker | so when lawyers run out of targets, they start suing themselves? |
| 18:38.02 | ``Erik | it's on /. |
| 18:38.54 | ``Erik | comments seem to indicate the combination of wells fargo having two mortgages on a house and florida law are forcing it to happen *shrug* |
| 18:41.14 | starseeker | talk about poetic justice... |
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| 18:52.29 | ``Erik | here's a better one, deep purple is paying fines for playing their own songs |
| 18:52.34 | ``Erik | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090710/0340345512.shtml |
| 18:59.50 | d-lo | ``Erik: heres SimStapler http://www.freeverse.com/games/game/?id=7022 |
| 19:27.01 | ``Erik | nice |
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| 19:33.05 | ``Erik | what're the build instructions for the gs thingymajigger? |
| 19:35.41 | d-lo | 1) cmake . |
| 19:35.45 | d-lo | 2) make |
| 19:35.58 | d-lo | Qt needs to be in your PATH |
| 19:35.58 | ``Erik | ok, so I gotta figure out how to get cmake installed |
| 19:36.01 | ``Erik | and qt |
| 19:36.19 | d-lo | automake is still working btw. |
| 19:36.28 | d-lo | err autotools build still works. |
| 19:36.54 | ``Erik | hm, thought I ran into issues with auto* |
| 19:47.15 | ``Erik | hrm, are you building 64b? |
| 19:47.42 | d-lo | yes. whats up? |
| 19:48.06 | ``Erik | GS/tests/streamSerialTests.cxx makes some bad assumptions... "unsigned long" being 64b where it's 32 on a 32 bit system |
| 19:48.21 | ``Erik | uint64_t might be better for that |
| 19:48.57 | d-lo | righto, its on the lists of things to fix. That was an ooooooold hack that I never got around to working on yet. ;) |
| 19:49.41 | d-lo | Well, I out. Peace. |
| 19:55.39 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35096 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/streamSerialTests.cxx: use types with explicit widths. Change 'long' to 64b int. Change magic #s to hex (should it be stdint.h INTX_MAX?). |
| 20:10.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35097 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 20:10.29 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Completly redone all functions to take human data structure, as opposed to numerous variables. |
| 20:10.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: However, currently does not build anything, as it bus-fails when attempting to put information into |
| 20:10.33 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the human_data->torso->torsoLength location. |
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| 20:50.25 | Ralith | d-lo: I don't see anything particularly critical about rendering Qt *in* OpenGL. I mean, it has nice parts and is certainly desirable, but it's quite possible to get by without itâlook at the competition. |
| 20:51.51 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35098 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Fixed it to where the human builds, but some parts are not in their correct locations |
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| 20:58.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35099 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 20:58.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Fixed everything, so now it's a human generator with all variables stored in the human_data_t struct. |
| 20:58.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Even works with all poses. |
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| 22:13.25 | ``Erik | "fixed everything" hehehe, if only |
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| 22:48.03 | ``Erik | nice, my alma mater made collegehumor.com http://www.freeverse.com/games/game/?id=7022 |
| 22:48.07 | ``Erik | woops |
| 22:48.36 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1916488 |
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| 23:28.46 | ``Erik | *omnomnom* mm bourbon steak strips |
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| 00:10.54 | ``Erik | it was the best of times, it was the blurst of times |
| 01:05.40 | ``Erik | that should make pedro happy, 7.14.8 port has been submitted for fbsd |
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| 03:51.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35100 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_cleanup.h: |
| 03:51.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Ah HAH. Fix the flatness test to use corner and interior points the way the old |
| 03:51.29 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: setup did (even though the interior points are a bit different.) Appears to fix |
| 03:51.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the visual flaws from the default rt view, but the strange symmetrical dot lines |
| 03:51.33 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: in the top down view (that disappear on zoom in) are still there. |
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| 11:59.06 | brlcad | jdoliner: fyi, several of your defines are provided in include/vmath.h |
| 11:59.24 | brlcad | and should use the std math macros for min/max like other parts of the code (follow suit) |
| 12:02.00 | brlcad | also, make sure you don't replicate functionality that is included in the JAMA/TNT library in src/other, includes various numeric routines (lu decomposition, eigenvectors, matrix manipulations, etc) |
| 12:04.22 | jdoliner | how high level do its routines get? |
| 12:08.18 | jdoliner | the types of computations that we need to do are pretty high level, I don't think we have anything right now capable of doing it |
| 12:08.28 | jdoliner | I guess we already knew about that |
| 12:08.40 | jdoliner | otherwise it wouldn't be much of a challange now would it |
| 12:10.09 | jdoliner | so I think at least for some of the more nuts and boltsy polynomial algorithms it would be smarter to link in another library |
| 12:10.16 | jdoliner | instead of rewriting it all |
| 12:10.53 | jdoliner | because it's some pretty technical stuff |
| 12:10.58 | jdoliner | what say you? |
| 12:12.33 | brlcad | the closest is probably the specialized evaluations used within the current nurbs raytracing code (which is what indianlarry was mention earlier about evaluations being highly related) |
| 12:14.22 | brlcad | take a look at src/other/tnt first and see what you could leverage, there's also the option to utilize stuff in boost as we already depend on that, and then the specialized routines in src/librt/primitives/brep/* and src/librt/opennurbs_* |
| 12:15.23 | brlcad | the biggest concern is keeping the entropy low in order to improve maintainability -- that means keeping depencencies low/simple but not reinventing and leveraging what's already available as much as possible |
| 12:16.41 | brlcad | can't overlook simple things like sqrt(3) defines, even more important to leverage existing infrastructure for higher-level routines that don't exist |
| 12:30.47 | jdoliner | so it looks like there's some stuff in src/libry/primitives/brep that I can leverage for a marching implementation |
| 12:34.37 | brlcad | if you do, try to generalize so both codes use the same routines, not just copy and specialize, if at all possible |
| 12:35.03 | brlcad | otherwise it's just as bad as writing it from scratch |
| 12:36.03 | jdoliner | k |
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| 12:50.23 | starseeker | Fair warning - the opennurbs_ext.* and brep* codes are in a state of rather massive flux at the moment |
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| 13:01.46 | ``Erik | *nod* converting adrt from its own homerolled stuff to vmath was a time consuming process even with sed |
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| 13:28.01 | jdoliner | starseeker: thanks I guess I'll just have to enter the fray :) |
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| 13:39.43 | ``Erik | oh heh |
| 13:40.48 | ``Erik | Herr Roßberg, I just responded to your version email, did I understand you correctly? |
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| 13:43.07 | d_rossberg | ``Erik: brlcad_version.h is unfortunately not part of the installation (make install) |
| 13:44.03 | ``Erik | hm, bu_version() in libbu isn't adequate? |
| 13:44.11 | ``Erik | (or was it bu_ident() hrm) |
| 13:44.32 | d_rossberg | i.e. the information i need is of course in the BRL-CAD sources, but not in the standard installation |
| 13:45.02 | d_rossberg | bu_version() gives the version information on run-time but not on compile time |
| 13:46.20 | ``Erik | whistles innocently |
| 13:46.21 | d_rossberg | i.e. i want to compare the version i used to compile/link my program with the version of the BRL-CAD libraries i'm using on run-time |
| 13:46.33 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35102 10/brlcad/trunk/include/Makefile.am: install brlcad_version.h for third party apps to use |
| 13:47.00 | d_rossberg | brlcad_version.h needs the conf directory ... |
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| 13:47.11 | ``Erik | ahhh, yeahhhhhhh |
| 13:47.52 | ``Erik | gimme a minute, need a cup of coffee, then I'll do... something... horrible |
| 13:50.00 | ``Erik | what I'm thinking probably won't groove well with msvc |
| 13:50.07 | d_rossberg | this looks like a shot from the hip :| |
| 13:50.25 | ``Erik | no, this is more bull in chinashop :D |
| 13:50.46 | d_rossberg | maybe it would work with CMake |
| 13:51.14 | d_rossberg | i'm using CMake currently to generate my brlcadversion.h |
| 13:52.23 | d_rossberg | the generation of COUNT/DATE/HOST etc works with CMake too |
| 14:04.42 | ``Erik | effin' pain to type with this cast, stupid broken wrist :( |
| 14:21.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35103 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ (Makefile.am brlcad_version.h brlcad_version.h.in): remove brlcad_version.h dependancy on conf. (still need to de-GNU the makefile a bit.) |
| 14:23.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35104 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 14:23.39 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added functionality to the custom position stance (-s999) which takes |
| 14:23.41 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: in XYZ for setting arm position in degrees. |
| 14:28.07 | brlcad | jdoliner: nice work commenting on the tracker item, but don't forget the other fields -- you should assign it to yourself and close it out at a minimum, could also set low priority and a category of being a compilation issue |
| 14:29.52 | brlcad | for auditing purposes, your commit that fixes the bug can say the sf tracker number that it refers to (e.g., this fixes sf tracker # 1234567 reported by blah (rt crash on exit)), then can tell the user which commit that was in your closing comment so they can make sure they have the right svn revision to test the fix |
| 14:33.13 | brlcad | d_rossberg: that was done intentionally, whether good or bad, that the version header files aren't installed |
| 14:33.16 | d_rossberg | ``Erik: i think i see where this will lead to ... i'll see how this can be done with CMake ... |
| 14:34.07 | d_rossberg | i assumed that thia was your intention |
| 14:34.19 | brlcad | with the intent being that only run-time information is used with the libs since the headers could conceivably be out of sync |
| 14:34.41 | brlcad | most importantly, to avoid projects that might get into a habit of relying on any defines in a bad way |
| 14:35.13 | brlcad | #if BRLCAD_MAJOR == 7 && BRLCAD_MINOR == 10 ... do one thing .. else do something worse |
| 14:35.30 | brlcad | aside from header mismatches too |
| 14:36.15 | brlcad | there is the brlcad-version configuration script, that is meant to provide compile-time libs, linkage, and version information |
| 14:36.27 | brlcad | we could turn that into a binary so that windows has it as well |
| 14:37.28 | brlcad | what is the exact problem that needs solving? |
| 14:39.28 | ``Erik | doesn't like this. :/ |
| 14:39.57 | d_rossberg | if the libs and the headers are out of sync you are in trouble any way, or? |
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| 14:40.28 | brlcad | not necessarily, we rarely ever break ABI compat on the C side |
| 14:41.30 | brlcad | it's happened in isolated cases before too, nothing major but then we didn't give them a means to rely on a behavior or conditionalize their code at compile-time |
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| 14:44.02 | indianlarry | jdoliner: Hey Joe, you around? |
| 14:46.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35105 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ (Makefile.am brlcad_version.h brlcad_version.h.in): revert changes with brlcad_version.h |
| 14:48.01 | ``Erik | tries to wake up O.o |
| 14:48.15 | d_rossberg | brlcad: therefore you have/had projects with different versions of run-time (libs) and interface descriptions (headers) where you want to prevent trhe user to see this difference? |
| 14:49.06 | d_rossberg | ... because he could do something ugly with this information? |
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| 14:50.34 | d_rossberg | btw, where can i find this brlcad-version script? |
| 14:51.00 | ``Erik | $PREFIX/bin/brlcad-config |
| 14:51.26 | ``Erik | there're also pkg-config files (.pc) floating around |
| 14:55.23 | brlcad | d_rossberg: no, I don't want to accommodate a bad install -- that wasn't the point -- but I do want to try to prevent devs from using defines as compile-time conditionals |
| 14:56.49 | brlcad | pkg-config is a 'standard' application that uses our config descriptor files -- more portable, less custom. brlcad-config is our project-specific version of that same interface |
| 14:57.07 | brlcad | "brlcad-config --version" for example |
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| 14:57.57 | brlcad | g'morning elena |
| 14:58.06 | elena | hi brlcad. |
| 14:58.26 | elena | do you have time for one question? |
| 14:58.29 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35106 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (opennurbs_cleanup.cpp opennurbs_ext.cpp): |
| 14:58.31 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: refactor the tolerances being used into TOL and TOL2 to make it more apparent |
| 14:58.33 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: that there are two numbers being used. should test and document the effect of |
| 14:58.34 | elena | possible with a long answer. |
| 14:58.35 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: tightening/loosening these tolerances or make them functions if they need to be |
| 14:58.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: dynamic based on model parameters. |
| 14:58.42 | ``Erik | no, he has time for eleventy billion :D *duck* |
| 14:59.09 | elena | if he doesn't, i'll get you ;) |
| 14:59.29 | ``Erik | panics and bolts |
| 14:59.35 | elena | :) |
| 15:00.55 | ``Erik | assumes brlcad is not planning on getting in early enough to chuck his crevice or creviche or whatever in the fridge and join the lunch crowd? O.o |
| 15:03.06 | ``Erik | (elena: just ask your question and lurk for best results, someone will eventually answer your question even if everyone is busy at that moment) |
| 15:03.54 | elena | when I convert from other formats to brlcad, will I get different objects? |
| 15:04.00 | elena | or a single main object. |
| 15:04.06 | ``Erik | depends on the original format |
| 15:04.14 | elena | i suspect different file formats will give diferent results. |
| 15:04.19 | elena | aha. |
| 15:04.53 | elena | next, is there a comment somewhere, where i can find which format creates different objects? |
| 15:04.54 | ``Erik | if sane 'region' style information can be extracted from the original source, the converters will generally try to build regions... if it's just soup, then ya get soup |
| 15:05.12 | elena | aha. |
| 15:05.21 | elena | thanks, erik. |
| 15:05.30 | elena | you're off (for now) ;) |
| 15:05.33 | ``Erik | um, I don't believe there is a single document that gives that information? the man pages and source files are all available... |
| 15:05.44 | ``Erik | that might make a good wiki page |
| 15:05.52 | elena | i think the right expression is "off the hook" |
| 15:06.13 | ``Erik | (who'm I kidding, EVERYTHING makes a good wiki page... I'm gonna go make a wiki page about what I'm going to have for lunch) |
| 15:06.22 | d_rossberg | brlcad: i'll think about it ... tomorrow |
| 15:06.31 | ``Erik | yes, off the hook is a common american (possibly english) expression :) |
| 15:06.32 | brlcad | ``Erik: i already have lunch plans |
| 15:06.34 | elena | send here the link. |
| 15:06.35 | brlcad | d_rossberg: ok |
| 15:06.57 | brlcad | d_rossberg: likewise.. but what is the problem situation? or is that described in the e-mail? |
| 15:07.03 | brlcad | i've not read it all just yet |
| 15:07.17 | d_rossberg | it should be in my e-mail |
| 15:07.21 | brlcad | okay |
| 15:07.36 | brlcad | then no need to rehash, I'll reply if have questions |
| 15:08.19 | brlcad | elena: different file formats can give vastly different results, especially if it changes the format of the geometry |
| 15:09.22 | brlcad | at the simplest level, you can just report the geometry format -- most all formats fall into one of just a few categories of formats and operations |
| 15:10.27 | brlcad | e.g. regardless of the format, you can say whether a given _format_ supports boolean operations or not, and whether a given model uses boolean operations |
| 15:12.12 | brlcad | three really common geometry formats are implicit representation (which go hand-in-hand with booleans operations) and explicit representation (which generally don't use booleans but *can*) |
| 15:12.52 | brlcad | er, sorry -- I said three -- there are two primary explicit formats, polygonal meshes and spline surfaces |
| 15:13.52 | brlcad | uploads his overview presentation |
| 15:15.52 | elena | would it make sense to setup some experiments |
| 15:15.56 | elena | to convert from brlcad to different formats and back |
| 15:15.58 | elena | or the exporter may also destroy geometry? |
| 15:16.08 | elena | did you get my previous question? (i got disconnected) |
| 15:16.32 | elena | would it make sense to setup some experiments to convert from brlcad to different formats and back or the exporter may also destroy geometry? |
| 15:19.25 | brlcad | conversions are rarely ever lossless |
| 15:20.03 | elena | ok. thank you. |
| 15:20.27 | elena | have a great lunch (both of you) |
| 15:20.49 | brlcad | so setting up samples aren't really going to help -- all you can really speak to is what you have format-wise and object-wise |
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| 16:52.58 | ``Erik | *burp* |
| 17:21.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35107 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/ged.h src/libged/copy.c src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c): |
| 17:21.21 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: Added ged_dbcopy to libged for copying between databases. Added go_copy to |
| 17:21.23 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: libtclcad to use ged_dbcopy. The immediate need here is to have Archer use this |
| 17:21.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: for its undo ledger instead of "get" and "put" which is potentially lossy. |
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| 18:13.20 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35108 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Start trying to figure out the trimming code and how to integrate trim testing into the surface tree build (essential for correct bounding box generation) |
| 18:17.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35109 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (49 files): Some warning cleanup. Added missing headers, fixed varargs stuff with too many or too few arguments provided. Minor type fixes. Etc. |
| 18:32.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35110 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (8 files in 4 dirs): reduce warnings. |
| 18:41.10 | elena | starseeker? |
| 18:41.55 | elena | ``Erik? |
| 18:44.04 | ``Erik | elena? |
| 18:44.28 | elena | did you used starseeker's famous 1+ GB models? |
| 18:45.09 | elena | or any really big database. |
| 18:45.38 | elena | does it take long to start mged with it? |
| 18:46.02 | elena | i have to do some scripts for mged. |
| 18:46.26 | elena | it would be easier to do them in separate files and start mged multiple times for each of them. |
| 18:47.07 | elena | but I'm wondering if it would be more efficient to have one big script (especially for big db) |
| 18:47.41 | ``Erik | um, the prep routine can take several minutes for large geometry |
| 18:47.57 | ``Erik | and I'm using an 8 core 3ghz machine with 16g ram, it's no slouch |
| 18:48.05 | elena | ok. so it would make a big difference. |
| 18:48.17 | elena | then i'll try to go with the all in one script. |
| 18:48.19 | elena | thank you. |
| 18:48.24 | ``Erik | prep can be brutal... starseeker is in my office talking to indianlarry |
| 18:48.31 | ``Erik | I can throw something at him if you'd like |
| 18:48.45 | elena | no. you're answer is enough. |
| 18:48.54 | ``Erik | <-- has cans of soup, staplers, computers, etc... they'll get his attention when on ballistic trajectories |
| 18:49.07 | elena | :) |
| 18:49.24 | ``Erik | unix manuals, those're nice and hefty |
| 18:50.33 | elena | did you have lunch? |
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| 18:52.47 | ``Erik | ja, dol sot bi bim bop at the korean restaurant |
| 18:53.54 | elena | delicious. i must have had that, too, when in seoul, but i only remember "... kim bap" |
| 18:54.29 | ``Erik | sizzling hot cast iron bowl, rice, mixed vegetables, some beef and a poached egg |
| 18:54.33 | ``Erik | good stuff |
| 18:54.49 | ``Erik | load it up with pepper paste, stir it up, ... |
| 18:55.03 | elena | :( |
| 18:55.14 | elena | there is no korean restaurant in romania. |
| 18:55.41 | elena | only chinesse. |
| 18:56.10 | ``Erik | unfortunate, at least you can hop the train to other nations easily to enjoy variety :) |
| 18:56.48 | elena | ya. |
| 18:57.00 | ``Erik | (most the food here in the US has been so "americanized", it'd be unrecognizable to visitors) |
| 18:57.49 | ``Erik | there was a nice chinese place where I lived in missouri, but you had to explicitely ask for it "chinese style" to get the good stuff |
| 18:58.27 | ``Erik | speaking a little japanese helps a bit when I go to a teppan place, too :) |
| 19:06.59 | elena | is there a man page for mged commands? i need more info about tops than it's in the Introduction_to_MGED.pdf |
| 19:07.16 | elena | i couldn't find one. |
| 19:10.31 | ``Erik | no, there's an internal "help" command |
| 19:10.46 | elena | it's not very verbose |
| 19:11.49 | ``Erik | no, it's no... I think d-lo was developing a command guide in some wiki somewhere a while back |
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| 19:27.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35113 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/scripts/7.14/metadata.txt: Moved to new script output format to support multiline metadata |
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| 19:36.29 | jdoliner | indianlarry are you around? |
| 19:39.58 | ``Erik | he is pretty round, yes |
| 19:40.10 | indianlarry | hey joe |
| 19:40.48 | indianlarry | jdoliner: you mentioned having some questions? |
| 19:42.33 | jdoliner | yes |
| 19:43.04 | jdoliner | I spent yesterday reading over a number of papers and following wandering down citation rabit holes |
| 19:43.04 | ``Erik | ... |
| 19:43.34 | jdoliner | looking at the different implementations options |
| 19:44.28 | jdoliner | 1 option is a purely algebraic solution |
| 19:44.29 | indianlarry | k |
| 19:44.39 | jdoliner | which would be really powerful |
| 19:44.56 | jdoliner | but requires a lot of tricky algorithmics to get right |
| 19:45.32 | jdoliner | so if I took that option I think my best bet would be using some foreign abstract algebra library as a base |
| 19:46.14 | jdoliner | the other option which I'm leaning toward more and more is a marching implementation |
| 19:46.15 | indianlarry | i thought intersections between to order 3 surfaces could lead to an order 200 intersect curve? algebraically speaking |
| 19:46.39 | jdoliner | yeah sometimes they can |
| 19:47.27 | jdoliner | the literature suggest some methods to lose a bit of accuracy to drastically reduce that number |
| 19:48.25 | jdoliner | but i'm not sure exactly how good it is at this point |
| 19:48.25 | indianlarry | we have definitely run into trims that have cracks due to the error |
| 19:48.47 | jdoliner | however I spoke with brlcad earlier and we both liked the idea of the marching algorithm |
| 19:49.11 | indianlarry | would be nice to quantify/control the error |
| 19:49.18 | ``Erik | those can lead to issues with the sampling gaps |
| 19:49.22 | indianlarry | yea, need to control the error there as well |
| 19:49.26 | ``Erik | the recent metaball noise was trying to get that in check |
| 19:50.13 | jdoliner | in favor of that idea is that it could conceivably be made to share code with librt/primitves/brep |
| 19:50.27 | indianlarry | be nice |
| 19:50.44 | jdoliner | yeah agreed |
| 19:50.54 | ``Erik | hoist common stuff into libbn perhaps? |
| 19:51.17 | indianlarry | may need to do some pullbacks on face trims to get better results |
| 19:51.24 | indianlarry | in brep that is |
| 19:52.01 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35114 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added a -f option to libtclcad's go_copy and libged's ged_dbcopy. Modified archer to use "cp" instead of a "get" followed by a "put" or "adjust" when copying between the ledger and the database. |
| 19:52.30 | indianlarry | i don't have a problem if it ends up in libbn but okay to keep in librt/primitves/brep since considered work-in-progress |
| 19:52.49 | indianlarry | plus it's getting cleaned up as starseeker mentioned |
| 19:52.51 | jdoliner | yeah, I'm not sure if I could abstract it out to libbn without taking some of the openNurbs with it |
| 19:54.18 | indianlarry | we currently rely on the Ev functions in openNurbs |
| 19:54.19 | jdoliner | okay so it a marching approach seems best at this point |
| 19:54.48 | indianlarry | if you have any reference shoot them at me and i'll take a look |
| 19:55.14 | jdoliner | k I'll forward you the papers I've compiled |
| 19:55.24 | indianlarry | thanks joe |
| 20:11.48 | ``Erik | damnit, is all the creviche gone? O.o |
| 20:12.43 | brlcad | there's help for mged commands on the wiki or in the mged-internal help |
| 20:14.09 | ``Erik | hm, no sailboats in this 'bargainer', poop |
| 20:15.08 | brlcad | if pullbacks on face trims are needed by the solver to give better results, could make that some sort of "hinting callback" to the libbn solver routine |
| 20:15.26 | brlcad | so it could remain generalized, but allow customizations specific to different uses |
| 20:16.00 | brlcad | ``Erik: pfft, jeez, yes gone :) |
| 20:16.11 | brlcad | you missed the dozen people in the hallway for an hour? :) |
| 20:16.26 | ``Erik | bastages. I'm gonna barge into your domicile next time you make some to steal a portion O.o |
| 20:16.30 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 20:16.36 | ``Erik | tucked back in my corner here |
| 20:17.32 | brlcad | i'm already craving some ceviche de corvina, have to hunt for more sea bass |
| 20:18.08 | ``Erik | specialty grocery store? actual zomfg fishmonger? |
| 20:21.24 | ``Erik | decides to hold off on the boat, trailer and truck in favor of seeing how a bicycle works out for him |
| 20:21.58 | Ralith | hunts some brlcad |
| 20:23.20 | brlcad | there's a whole foods near my house, they tend to carry top shelf |
| 20:37.56 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35115 10/brlcad/trunk/ (13 files in 4 dirs): initial work on a prototype ray tracing X11/OpenGL display manager (dm-rtgl) |
| 20:39.44 | brlcad | tis teh shizzle |
| 20:40.29 | Ralith | brlcad: hey so |
| 20:40.32 | Ralith | got a minute? |
| 20:40.40 | brlcad | never, sup |
| 20:41.11 | Ralith | how bout I backburner this whole Qt-embedded-in-OpenGL thing? |
| 20:41.15 | ``Erik | ngnngnggg stupid docbook crap |
| 20:41.16 | Ralith | I feel like I'm getting nowhere |
| 20:41.28 | Ralith | and the overall goals don't strictly depend on that |
| 20:41.30 | brlcad | Ralith: what's your alternative goal then? |
| 20:41.37 | Ralith | move on with the rest of what I planned to work on |
| 20:41.38 | brlcad | that's kinda the most important part of the project :) |
| 20:41.48 | Ralith | it is? |
| 20:41.53 | Ralith | I didn't realise that at all |
| 20:42.04 | brlcad | it sets the application framework |
| 20:42.14 | Ralith | was thinking I'd bring the Qt UI back to where mafm had RBGui, then extend it etc. as described in the original proposal |
| 20:42.47 | Ralith | I'm pretty sure that that work can be easily shoved into OpenGL once that bit gets worked out |
| 20:43.19 | Ralith | I'm not suggesting abandoning it, but I suspect that I can make just as much (generally minimal) progress on it while *also* making more visible progress in the other areas. |
| 20:43.53 | brlcad | not following, you mean implement customization of the UI widgets, mimicking what rbgui is presently doing? |
| 20:44.17 | Ralith | I don't imagine it will involve a great deal of customization of the widgets themselves per se |
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| 20:44.40 | Ralith | but putting together an interface at least equivalent to the current RBGui interface, yes |
| 20:45.37 | brlcad | sans the opengl context? |
| 20:46.04 | brlcad | can't wire up the controls without the 3d context working.. :) |
| 20:46.07 | Ralith | it's still easy enough to drop in an OpenGL context containing Ogre, so not exactly. |
| 20:46.15 | Ralith | just sans Qt being actually rendered as OpenGL. |
| 20:46.57 | Ralith | which means less nifty but not immediately functionality-relevant stuff like transparency |
| 20:46.58 | brlcad | what about rendering a qt widget on top of an opengl widget? |
| 20:47.04 | Ralith | yeah, basically that |
| 20:47.10 | brlcad | have you tried that? |
| 20:47.19 | Ralith | that's... not what we were going for, is it? |
| 20:47.22 | Ralith | O.o |
| 20:47.30 | Ralith | 'cuz *that* should work perfectly fine. |
| 20:47.40 | brlcad | that's very much related |
| 20:47.50 | Ralith | I can do that, easy |
| 20:47.53 | Ralith | shall I? |
| 20:47.56 | brlcad | sure |
| 20:47.59 | Ralith | yay :D |
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| 20:48.13 | brlcad | does that work with ogre rendering into the opengl context? |
| 20:48.18 | Ralith | oh yeah |
| 20:48.19 | brlcad | if you can show that, it's progress |
| 20:48.39 | Ralith | I got Ogre embedded in Qt to work just about first try |
| 20:48.40 | brlcad | even if it's a flat qt button painted directly over the 3d context |
| 20:48.44 | Ralith | the trick was Qt in Ogre in Qt |
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| 20:49.14 | brlcad | qt in ogre in qt sounds .. way too complex |
| 20:49.16 | Ralith | if we're just drawing *over* the context, then, while not as cool, there's really no problem. |
| 20:49.25 | Ralith | brlcad: actually, it *should* have been pretty simple. |
| 20:49.36 | Ralith | Qt has support for Qt-in-OpenGL-in-Qt out of the box |
| 20:49.40 | ``Erik | it's qt's all the way down! |
| 20:49.48 | brlcad | the issue is really whether you can override the drawing routine for a button, for example, so that you can have a button alpha-blended against the 3d |
| 20:49.56 | Ralith | that's what that modelviewer demo did |
| 20:50.12 | Ralith | brlcad: don't think that can be done without actually rendering *into* the context |
| 20:50.14 | starseeker | I thought drawing over the opengl window requires that the window manager/OS cooperate |
| 20:50.17 | Ralith | (or a WM that composits) |
| 20:50.38 | Ralith | starseeker: start up a glxgears instance, drag a term over it. Works fine, no? |
| 20:50.57 | starseeker | on X, sure |
| 20:51.02 | Ralith | not elsewhere? |
| 20:51.14 | starseeker | dunno - we're looking to work on OSX and Windows too |
| 20:51.20 | brlcad | my understanding for the snippets I saw was that you'd override the Qt render method for a given widget, making it issue opengl draw commands instead of whatever it usually does |
| 20:51.30 | starseeker | that was one of the things that made the OpenGL integration so promising |
| 20:51.30 | brlcad | even if just to draw an alpha-blended texture |
| 20:51.35 | Ralith | brlcad: oh, no, not at all |
| 20:51.39 | Ralith | Qt already *has* the code to do that |
| 20:52.03 | Ralith | thought, perhaps it could be rewritten in a more Ogre-friendly way. |
| 20:52.05 | brlcad | then what's the problem? :) |
| 20:52.12 | Ralith | it doesn't work when Ogre's using the context. |
| 20:52.20 | Ralith | for some reason. |
| 20:52.30 | brlcad | that sounds incredibly vague :) |
| 20:52.36 | Ralith | now you know how I feel :| |
| 20:52.44 | brlcad | I'm pretty sure that's what I saw in the examples I reviewed :) |
| 20:52.55 | Ralith | not the modelviewer, certainly |
| 20:53.06 | brlcad | don't know that example, these were running apps |
| 20:53.13 | Ralith | so was that |
| 20:53.16 | Ralith | very neat demo |
| 20:53.26 | Ralith | big green spinny Qt logo on a blue background |
| 20:53.34 | Ralith | transparent Qt dialogs overlayed |
| 20:53.38 | brlcad | have you run stellarium before? |
| 20:53.41 | Ralith | like I said, Qt 4.5 comes out of the box with support for rendering widgets into an OpenGL context, and doing so in a Qt window is the logical way to do it. |
| 20:53.47 | Ralith | hm, yeah |
| 20:53.55 | Ralith | I keep forgetting to take a look at that. I'll do that. |
| 20:54.00 | Ralith | checks to see if he checked it out previously |
| 20:54.23 | brlcad | their approach should be nearly identical and iirc, it was a simple override |
| 20:54.23 | Ralith | considering that they've been doing it since long before 4.5 |
| 20:55.00 | Ralith | that'll take a good bit more work than rendering *on* the widget, but I'll try for it, then. |
| 20:55.39 | brlcad | you say you got ogre rendering to a qt-created opengl context, yes? |
| 20:55.43 | Ralith | yup |
| 20:55.46 | Ralith | at least, I think so. |
| 20:55.57 | Ralith | the background color's rendered properly and Ogre's internally consistent |
| 20:56.01 | brlcad | and did you try just splatting a qt button right on top of that context? |
| 20:56.07 | Ralith | splatting? |
| 20:56.15 | starseeker | and the issue was that once Ogre DID render to that context, Qt couldn't? |
| 20:56.21 | Ralith | starseeker: yes, exactly. |
| 20:56.27 | Ralith | on a frame-by-frame basis, no less |
| 20:56.32 | brlcad | one big opengl window .. put a qt window in the middle of it |
| 20:56.34 | Ralith | if I disabled Ogre for a frame, Qt would render happily. |
| 20:56.40 | brlcad | bah, s/qt window/qt button/ |
| 20:56.54 | Ralith | brlcad: do you mean in or out of the OpenGL context? |
| 20:57.07 | brlcad | neither and both |
| 20:57.09 | brlcad | on top of |
| 20:57.14 | Ralith | :| |
| 20:57.18 | Ralith | then you've lost me |
| 20:57.36 | Ralith | logically rendered as OpenGL or not>? |
| 20:58.46 | brlcad | I don't care what it does on the backend, I'm talking about the end result -- one big window with ogre able to draw a 3d scene into it, and the ability to have a button in that same window (drawn on top of the 3d context) |
| 20:59.00 | brlcad | not next to it |
| 20:59.09 | brlcad | don't care how qt draws its button |
| 20:59.19 | brlcad | can it show them both at the same time is the issue |
| 20:59.52 | Ralith | then we're back in easy territory |
| 21:00.01 | Ralith | I'm pretty sure Qt can do that trivially |
| 21:00.05 | Ralith | bears testing, of course |
| 21:00.09 | brlcad | show me :) |
| 21:00.17 | Ralith | 'kay |
| 21:00.31 | Ralith | this will almost certainly *not* permit things like transparent widgets/windows |
| 21:00.46 | brlcad | because if that works, then it really should be a matter of overriding the widget's draw routine |
| 21:00.52 | Ralith | and may or may not give trouble if we want to display other 3D content in windows, I'm not sure what multiple GL context hw support is like |
| 21:00.57 | Ralith | er... |
| 21:01.01 | Ralith | I don't see how the two approaches are related. |
| 21:01.11 | brlcad | it's a matter of compositing |
| 21:01.15 | brlcad | whether qt is doing it or not |
| 21:01.37 | brlcad | it has to have some minimal sort-order compositing in order to draw a button on top of a 3d context |
| 21:01.50 | brlcad | if it does, then we're probably good |
| 21:02.35 | Ralith | is confused but can write the test |
| 21:03.04 | brlcad | I'm thinking you're not getting what is meant by overriding the widget's draw routine ? |
| 21:03.23 | brlcad | dno't worry about that bit for now -- if you can show a button on an ogre context, that'll be progress |
| 21:03.34 | brlcad | s/on/on top of/ |
| 21:04.31 | Ralith | I assume you mean overriding it such that it draws into OpenGL directly |
| 21:05.08 | brlcad | sure, or printf's to console, whatever you want -- that's the beauty of an override :) |
| 21:05.36 | Ralith | I suspect I'll end up reimplementing QGraphicsView only less broken |
| 21:06.10 | brlcad | try the simple demo first, then take a look at stellarium's approach (or vice versa) |
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| 21:58.52 | starseeker | desperately hopes this news of the Apollo 11 tapes is the real deal |
| 21:59.17 | starseeker | if they post high quality digital conversions online, I know I'll be grabbing the lot of them |
| 22:24.40 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r35117 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: more cleanup, improved error checking and messages |
| 22:26.23 | Ralith | starseeker: design data? |
| 22:26.24 | Ralith | or what? |
| 22:27.01 | starseeker | the feeds you've seen of the original moon landing are apparently of lower quality than was originally recorded |
| 22:27.35 | starseeker | I.e., it was downgraded by pointing a video camera at a monitor |
| 22:28.04 | starseeker | there are indications they have found some of the original recordings that didn't get routed through a TV camera :-) |
| 22:28.32 | Ralith | oo, cool |
| 22:29.13 | archivist | getting the old recorders working is the fun part |
| 22:29.23 | starseeker | considering that it easily ranks as one of the greatest moments in the history of humanity, I would think getting the highest recording quality available preserved is important |
| 22:30.47 | starseeker | apparently for a while the non-degraded tapes were lost |
| 22:31.00 | starseeker | incredible, really |
| 22:32.03 | archivist | http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/nasa.html?pg=2 |
| 22:32.50 | starseeker | Of course, they wanted to use the Messel Oil Shale Pit as a trash dump, despite it containing what may be the highest quality fossils ever discovered... |
| 22:32.55 | archivist | I saw pics of the recorder some months ago |
| 22:34.13 | ``Erik | huh, richard committed without anyone harrassing him O.o (I imagine he's pissed that I mucked in his code) |
| 22:34.21 | ``Erik | or, rather, without me harrassing him |
| 22:35.12 | starseeker | this fossil still makes me stare in wonder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prachtkäfer_aus_der_Grube_Messel.JPG |
| 22:38.12 | starseeker | or this one: http://www.paleontology.uni-bonn.de/wedmann%20english_version.htm |
| 22:39.33 | starseeker | 50 million years, and we get to see it. Incredible |
| 22:48.33 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r35118 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: small data type fix |
| 22:59.45 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35119 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (opennurbs_cleanup.cpp primitives/brep/brep_cleanup.cpp): Inching closer to behavior of original curve tree build - still have a ways to go, probably. |
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| 23:58.02 | ``Erik | starts looking through IOKit docs |
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| 00:37.23 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35120 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_cleanup.h src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp): More CurveTree building tweaks |
| 00:42.17 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35121 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp: Er - don't need call to isLinear in the if condition that exists for the Linear cases... |
| 00:54.49 | ``Erik | awesome, an accelerated emacs course: xslt.2:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/libxslt |
| 00:54.52 | ``Erik | grrr |
| 00:55.36 | ``Erik | http://edward.oconnor.cx/2009/07/learn-emacs-in-ten-years |
| 00:55.37 | ``Erik | http://edward.oconnor.cx/2009/07/learn-emacs-in-ten-years |
| 00:55.54 | ``Erik | fuckin' A, my X11.app isn't talking to the system clipboard quite right anymore :// |
| 01:47.04 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35122 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libdm/dm-rtgl.c mged/Makefile.am): fixed mged dm-rtgl bus error on exit |
| 02:08.54 | starseeker | hmm - still some difference in how the surface tree is being built |
| 02:08.57 | starseeker | arrrrgh |
| 02:25.36 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35123 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_cleanup.h src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp): (log message trimmed) |
| 02:25.39 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Ah. Need to subdivide even flat nurbs surfaces in order to assign small subsets |
| 02:25.41 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: of the trimming curves to small areas of the nurbs surface for evaluation |
| 02:25.43 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: purposes. I wonder, would it be 'cleaner', in cases like this, to do some sort |
| 02:25.47 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: of test of points against the curve tree? i.e. for a uv point, if inside the uv |
| 02:25.49 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: bounds of a node, find subnodes that it is inside of, repeat until leaf node(s) |
| 02:25.51 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: are found, then work on the leaf nodes? Probably more expensive for a trimming |
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| 08:15.21 | Ralith | woo |
| 08:15.27 | Ralith | QDialog says hello :D |
| 08:15.36 | Ralith | still have to work out why ogre seems to be misaligned though |
| 08:15.51 | Ralith | er, wait |
| 08:16.01 | Ralith | that's.... funny |
| 08:18.05 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35124 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (6 files): "Naive" approach to the Ogre/Qt conflict: Added the test widget as a child of the OgreGLWidget. Test widget ends up as a separate window. |
| 08:22.50 | Ralith | my mistake: |
| 08:22.51 | Ralith | 01:22:59 < HuHa> Ralith: the docs explicity say: "QDialog... uses the parent widget slightly differently from other classes in Qt. A dialog is always a top-level widget, ..." |
| 08:25.09 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35125 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ogretest.cxx: Tested with a QPushButton which, unlike QDialog, is *not* documented as "always a top-level widget," and which allegedly should not need ->show() to become visible. No luck yet. |
| 08:30.36 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35126 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ogretest.cxx: |
| 08:30.38 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Working pushbutton overlayed! Something about manually setting the size of the OgreGLWidget with ->resize(1024, 768); threw it off; my |
| 08:30.41 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: guess is that my (tiling) wm's enforced resize produced a layout that resulted in the widget being offscreen. It may be worth testing |
| 08:30.44 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: previously failed options with said resize call removed. |
| 08:30.46 | Ralith | brlcad: we have success! |
| 08:30.48 | Ralith | of a sort. |
| 08:31.01 | Ralith | should work well enough to move on, certainly |
| 08:34.42 | Ralith | I could really do with some testing from others, btw |
| 08:34.53 | Ralith | I want to find out whether this weird ogre misalignment is a side effect of my tiling wm or what |
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| 08:47.56 | Ralith | logs with excessively nested bullet points |
| 08:48.00 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1571 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Logs for 2008-07-12 and 2008-07-14. We now have usable Qt widget overlaying! |
| 08:49.33 | Ralith | brlcad: let me know if you want me to continue to play with alternative approaches, especially considering the implications of discoveries relating to QWidget::show(), or whether I should just dive ahead into building a useful GUI. |
| 08:52.27 | brlcad | insane timing, love it but have to read/respond later today :) |
| 08:52.43 | Ralith | 'kay :) |
| 08:52.45 | Ralith | night |
| 09:02.40 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1572 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 13-14 |
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| 10:13.36 | d-lo | Morning all! |
| 10:14.12 | d-lo | Ralith: Grats :) |
| 11:05.53 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35127 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/ (brlcad.module scripts/7.14/metadata.txt): Improved php-mged interface. Added feature to retrieve file list. |
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| 11:42.24 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35129 10/rt^3/trunk/ (19 files in 17 dirs): CMake build fixes, cleanup, WS removal and style consistancy changes. |
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| 11:48.49 | starseeker | Ralith: so this is not using the shared OpenGL context, correct? |
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| 12:11.32 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35130 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (dg_obj.c editit.c edmater.c rt.c rtcheck.c): |
| 12:11.35 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: MSVC does not provide all POSIX headers |
| 12:11.37 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: handled this with the HAVE_~_H macros |
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| 12:37.15 | brlcad | g'morning jdoliner |
| 12:37.44 | brlcad | Ralith: yeah, agree -- we should get a couple people to test things out |
| 12:37.50 | brlcad | screenshot? |
| 12:38.03 | d-lo | hah! Pics or it never happened :) |
| 12:38.34 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35131 10/rt^3/trunk/ (78 files in 14 dirs): More WS, header and Style consistancy fixes |
| 12:46.28 | brlcad | d-lo: curious commit there.. |
| 12:46.42 | d-lo | How so? |
| 12:47.49 | brlcad | aside from the subtle change to the standard header, dropping the file identifier, we moved away from using rcs variables a long while back because they cause hell on branching and merging (and is information contained within the vcs anyways) |
| 12:48.54 | d-lo | So you recommend not using svn;keywords at all? |
| 12:50.36 | brlcad | within the file, yeah, with a few exceptions (like build system files that use revision stamping) |
| 12:51.29 | d-lo | *confused* How else can the rcs variables be used, if not 'with in the file' ? |
| 12:51.49 | brlcad | the two main issues are the technical one with it causing more grief with conflict than time-savings gain conveying information; and a social impact of tending towards territorial code if files include authorship |
| 12:52.24 | brlcad | within source files, there are other files they work well in where the conflict potential is very low |
| 12:53.22 | d-lo | ah, okay. 'Territorial code' ? is that really a problem within the brlcad dev community? |
| 12:53.59 | brlcad | that's a problem with most devs, left unchecked, but even more so for 'new' devs, which is the main reason |
| 12:54.35 | ``Erik | ralith: pleased to be leaving breadcrumb trail in case anyone else picks up your "good enough" to make it "great" :D |
| 12:54.55 | d-lo | Okay. I honestly don't care what is in the headers, so long as its consistant file to file. |
| 12:55.01 | brlcad | new developers often won't touch a file that has an author associated with it, kinda like a dog marking his territory for fear of "changing their code" instead of treating it like project code |
| 12:55.47 | d-lo | Except for the F I L E N A M E at the top. that is a pita. |
| 12:55.56 | brlcad | there's a great interview with brian fitzpatrick (subversion developer, google dev, among other notabilities) and one of his cohorts on this phenomenon |
| 12:56.12 | brlcad | pita howso? |
| 12:56.19 | brlcad | should be autogenerated |
| 12:56.29 | brlcad | that's what the template script is for |
| 12:56.49 | ``Erik | or some vim or emacs fu if you want to copy and rework a file |
| 12:56.58 | ``Erik | tends to do it by hand, though :/ |
| 12:57.15 | d-lo | going through and retro fitting a bunch of various stuff from a bunch of different devs. |
| 12:58.20 | brlcad | there's actualy an intent legal motivation (however strong) to uniquely identify each file before the project, in order to imply it is an individual work that is part of a larger collective work |
| 12:58.57 | brlcad | write-up from the FSF and groklaw regarding that issue, iirc |
| 12:59.34 | brlcad | there was a reason for each item in the template ;) |
| 13:00.02 | d-lo | And thats all well and good. Still a pita ;) |
| 13:00.23 | brlcad | the header.sh and footer.sh scripts can be run individually on single or groups of files to correct them |
| 13:01.29 | brlcad | 'find' is a great command to master if you haven't already ;) |
| 13:01.56 | d-lo | yes, but thats not the pita i am talking about |
| 13:02.07 | brlcad | and "perl -pi -e 'EXPRESSION' ..." or variants using sed/awk |
| 13:03.33 | brlcad | should be a trivial mod to the header script to detect an existing header and 'make it conform' like footer.sh does |
| 13:04.23 | brlcad | forget what the current behavior is, whether to detect and abort, or detect and prepend |
| 13:05.09 | brlcad | think it's a detect and abort if it finds the legal clause, otherwise prepends and treats as a comment header |
| 13:06.08 | d-lo | kk, thanks for the heads up on the footer/header scripts. |
| 13:08.37 | brlcad | not at concerned about that as the rcs vars, more because of their long term impact |
| 13:08.49 | brlcad | because they're pretty easy to fix |
| 13:12.22 | d-lo | the '@file' part of the header... is that a DocBook thing? |
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| 13:14.10 | d-lo | err, Doxygen i mean. |
| 13:16.42 | d-lo | brlcad: Network guys are looking at the Switch UPS. Anything you need me to tell them? |
| 13:16.48 | ``Erik | brlcad: have you looked at the swiss cheese vrml issue? |
| 13:17.11 | ``Erik | switch ups hasn't been an issue for us so far |
| 13:17.28 | ``Erik | all our machines drop before the switch *shrug* |
| 13:17.55 | d-lo | Well, 'They said 'Sean said''... maybe you can talk to them :) |
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| 13:35.04 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r35132 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/numerics/BoundingBox.java: Added check for NaN in intersect method |
| 13:35.50 | brlcad | ``Erik: the switch for the networking shut off really quickly on the recent outtages |
| 13:37.07 | brlcad | maybe some anamoly, maybe surge, don't know -- either way it shut off faster than any of the hosts and used to stay up for nearly an hour |
| 13:37.38 | brlcad | and no, i've not looked at the vrml issue, but suspect it's needing to tweak tolerancing with those really small holes |
| 13:38.26 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35133 10/rt^3/trunk/ (164 files in 33 dirs): Standardizing headers. |
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| 14:04.42 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35136 10/rt^3/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): refactored CommunicationsManager to AbstractPortalManager. |
| 14:21.53 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35137 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Stubs for NetSockPortalManager (subclass of AbstractPortalManager). |
| 14:39.41 | ``Erik | he |
| 14:41.11 | brlcad | she |
| 14:43.31 | d-lo | we |
| 14:47.31 | archivist | they |
| 14:47.36 | ``Erik | woops, heh, d'no what I was typing that accidently went here O.o |
| 14:47.41 | ``Erik | (fuckers) |
| 14:48.26 | d-lo | play |
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| 14:49.56 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Minor mod to RegionInfo class to handle null "region_id" attribute. |
| 14:49.58 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Added a simple test for RegionInfo. |
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| 17:45.27 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35139 10/rt^3/trunk/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Basic implementation of NetSockPortal and NetSockPortalManager. |
| 18:19.02 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35140 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_cleanup.h src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp): Alright. Start trying to PRECISELY duplicate the curvetree building of the old code, just to have a working baseline. |
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| 19:05.21 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35141 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 19:05.23 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Added 2 new functions, boundingBox and boundingRectangle. |
| 19:05.25 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Bounding box makes rectangles with 1 value for width/depth, and bounding rectangle makes rectangles with 2 values, one for depth, one for width. |
| 19:05.28 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: They currently make boxes using -b, but are not rotated or positioned correctly yet. |
| 19:24.55 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35142 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp: Ah, blast it - + where a - should be. |
| 19:27.41 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35143 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp: Few more tweaks to the curve tree build - still have some definite problems somewhere but getting closer |
| 19:53.05 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35144 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp: Whoops, - or, not and for breakdown conditions |
| 20:05.06 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35145 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_cleanup.h src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp): Put the bounding box adjustment back in the Children call. |
| 20:28.30 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35146 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_cleanup.h src/librt/opennurbs_cleanup.cpp): |
| 20:28.33 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Hmm - looks like the memory demands of this approach are a bit too high - bump |
| 20:28.35 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: up the BREP_SURF_SUB_FACTOR a bit, but will need to think about another approach |
| 20:28.37 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: to passing values - I'm guessing the big ON_3dPoint and ON_3dVector arrays in |
| 20:28.39 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: each node are to blame. |
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| 20:40.03 | ``Erik | O.O |
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| 21:45.44 | Ralith | starseeker: correct; it's being drawn 'on top' of the context, although still in the same top level window. Shared context may still be perfectly feasible though; it looks like a few other calls which I only just now twiddled accidentally and/or on a hunch were unexpected dealbreakers. |
| 21:53.16 | Ralith | brlcad: probably easier to build it yourself than to wait for a screenshot, but okay |
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| 22:28.20 | ``Erik | hm |
| 22:40.40 | Ralith | I could *really* do with someone else testing this, btw |
| 22:41.19 | Ralith | brlcad: http://imgur.com/TSMHY.png |
| 22:41.37 | Ralith | don't mind the outlined black box in the middle, that's from my wm |
| 22:52.10 | brlcad | so is the entire black area an opengl context? |
| 22:53.02 | brlcad | ah, I see your reply to starseeker .. cool |
| 22:53.16 | brlcad | then that's progress! |
| 22:53.44 | brlcad | got to speak about brl-cad briefly during the FLOSS weekly podcast interview |
| 22:53.55 | ``Erik | neat |
| 22:54.19 | brlcad | not one of my best talks, by far |
| 22:55.08 | brlcad | kinda frustrating, ill-timed to prepare (had all of 30 minutes or so including mic checking) |
| 22:55.29 | brlcad | but nice plugs in there for brl-cad and bzflag, just didn't get to say much of the cool stuff |
| 22:55.35 | ``Erik | erm, why didn't they give ya more notice and shit? |
| 22:55.52 | brlcad | there was more notice, *I* was ill-prepared |
| 22:55.57 | ``Erik | last minute replacement type deal? |
| 22:55.58 | ``Erik | ahhh |
| 22:56.00 | ``Erik | hah |
| 22:56.02 | ``Erik | you suck :D |
| 22:56.10 | brlcad | timing was conflicting to prepare |
| 22:56.45 | ``Erik | but now it's done and you can busy yourself migrating machines, right? :D *duck* |
| 22:56.49 | brlcad | otherwise, it was still just about a week's notice |
| 22:57.37 | ``Erik | is very tempted to do some firewall fu, tweak the grant table and see if he can get the old machines websites using the new machines rdbms |
| 22:57.40 | brlcad | now I need food and a nap .. all i've had today are two egg rolls and a glass of scotch |
| 22:57.48 | brlcad | and 3 hours sleep |
| 22:58.03 | ``Erik | or mebbe sneak an ssh tunnel across |
| 22:59.16 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 23:00.33 | Ralith | brlcad: the entire black area is indeed the GL context. I'm not sure why the dark grey area (Ogre's configured background color) is only partial; I'd like it if someone with a normal WM could build and test it. |
| 23:01.10 | ``Erik | how normal is a normal wm? |
| 23:02.01 | ``Erik | if you walk me through it and promise you'll still respect me in the morning, I can try it on my macbook |
| 23:04.57 | Ralith | heh |
| 23:05.00 | Ralith | I'm not sure it'd work on OSX at all |
| 23:05.10 | brlcad | (Ralith: tell him you will, use him, get your satisfaction, then leave him to the curb) |
| 23:05.10 | Ralith | let alone how to install Ogre and Qt there |
| 23:05.16 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 23:05.26 | brlcad | it should work just fine there |
| 23:05.26 | Ralith | worth a try |
| 23:05.40 | brlcad | fully supported OS for both those |
| 23:05.42 | Ralith | I'd hope so, but I'm in no position to walk someone through |
| 23:05.47 | Ralith | goes googling |
| 23:05.59 | brlcad | sure you are, "install this, install that, compile this .. " |
| 23:06.00 | ``Erik | !!#!~@ |
| 23:06.02 | Ralith | ``Erik: I assume you've got all the usual dev tools? |
| 23:06.02 | brlcad | same you did on linux |
| 23:06.03 | ``Erik | I have qt |
| 23:06.08 | Ralith | 'kay |
| 23:06.09 | ``Erik | in /opt/local/ |
| 23:06.14 | ``Erik | and yeah, a full dev stack |
| 23:06.22 | Ralith | got cmake? |
| 23:06.32 | ``Erik | uhm, don't think so, I have a DEV stack, not a wanker stack |
| 23:06.33 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:06.38 | Ralith | D: |
| 23:06.39 | Ralith | get cmake |
| 23:06.56 | ``Erik | yeah, updating my ports |
| 23:07.44 | ``Erik | oh, I did install camke, my bad |
| 23:08.36 | ``Erik | runs "cmake ." |
| 23:09.00 | Ralith | okay, which bits broke? :D |
| 23:09.25 | Ralith | (there are no sane defaults for OSX for almost any of the cmake package-finding modules) |
| 23:09.31 | Ralith | (though if your pkg-config is working that might not matter) |
| 23:11.36 | ``Erik | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d7f9a4b6 |
| 23:12.50 | Ralith | hm, that's odd |
| 23:13.03 | Ralith | that's the one cmake module that I'm *not* in some way responsible for. |
| 23:13.11 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 23:13.16 | Ralith | does pkg-config find Qt? |
| 23:15.33 | ``Erik | hm, my qt3 didn't seem to install the pc file |
| 23:15.59 | ``Erik | rebuilds it |
| 23:16.38 | ``Erik | oh, wait, no it's, there heh, qt-mt |
| 23:17.13 | Ralith | qt3? |
| 23:17.13 | Ralith | O.o |
| 23:17.23 | ``Erik | yeah, do you require 4? |
| 23:17.47 | ``Erik | (aqbanking required qt3, ... *shrug*) |
| 23:18.40 | Ralith | er, I'm pretty sure Qt4 is necessary, yeah |
| 23:18.44 | ``Erik | <-- gtk weenie |
| 23:18.55 | ``Erik | does it require a certain backend? I can do aqua or x11 |
| 23:19.02 | Ralith | I don't want it to |
| 23:19.06 | Ralith | so let's try aqua :D |
| 23:19.16 | ``Erik | aight, installing |
| 23:19.22 | Ralith | ty |
| 23:19.42 | ``Erik | (source based package management, this'll take a while) |
| 23:19.48 | Ralith | <3 binary |
| 23:20.14 | ``Erik | I d'no, the speed of installing isn't worth the versoin hell |
| 23:20.29 | ``Erik | is in no hurry in his old age |
| 23:20.53 | Ralith | funnily enough, last time I had version hell was on a source-based system. |
| 23:21.28 | ``Erik | when I did debian systems, those went pretty well... yum/rpm based system are crap |
| 23:21.49 | ``Erik | on fbsd, you get your choice, I always do source using portmanager |
| 23:21.56 | Ralith | well sure |
| 23:22.00 | Ralith | rpm is crap |
| 23:22.07 | Ralith | but that's different from 'binaries are crap' :P |
| 23:23.35 | ``Erik | hrm, I know I put a debian/ in BRL-CAD, I think I was the one who put the rpm spec file in, to |
| 23:23.46 | ``Erik | don't really remember and svn sucks :D |
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| 23:36.19 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35147 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Let Ogre know when the Qt window moves. |
| 00:17.40 | starseeker | brlcad: cool, I hadn't heard of the FLOSS weekly |
| 00:17.52 | Ralith | plugging is good. |
| 00:19.26 | starseeker | is curious if Ralith can write down his insights on what it would take to do shared context Qt/Ogre |
| 00:19.35 | starseeker | still wants to do that, somehow or other |
| 00:19.39 | Ralith | starseeker: did you already read the wiki entry? |
| 00:20.30 | Ralith | it wouldn't be hard, really |
| 00:21.05 | Ralith | just take things back to when the OgreScene approach was fully implemented, and add hello->show(); after the rest of the widget test code, and remove the resize call |
| 00:21.10 | Ralith | from main |
| 00:21.21 | Ralith | and if that doesn't work, try the same thing on the QtRenderListener approach |
| 00:21.35 | Ralith | and if that doesn't work, then I guess we're doing things this as best we can right now. |
| 00:21.41 | starseeker | nods |
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| 01:07.48 | ``Erik | *pant* 80 pounds of empty boxes, paper bags, junkmail and newpapers prepped for recycling day |
| 01:09.03 | Ralith | starseeker: you gunna take a whack at it? |
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| 02:22.08 | ``Erik | ~seen madant |
| 02:22.09 | ibot | madant <i=cb7baf0f@gateway/web/freenode/x-a32eed164597bd06> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 12d 6h 15s ago, saying: 'nothing more disastrous than non-cooperative softwares ;)'. |
| 02:22.26 | ``Erik | ~seen homovulgaris |
| 02:22.27 | ibot | homovulgaris <n=d@117.196.131.215> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 338d 22h 29m 56s ago, saying: 'sean, on a scale of 1 to 10 how much trouble would one face when trying to make a .deb package for brlcad ?'. |
| 02:22.37 | ``Erik | hm. |
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| 02:32.06 | ``Erik | oscilloscope spam, wow |
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| 04:00.35 | starseeker | Ralith: probably at some point |
| 04:10.34 | Ralith | cool :) |
| 04:10.55 | Ralith | I'll try to code everything else such that it'll be easy to transition if you get it working |
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| 08:38.29 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35148 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/multipoly.c: |
| 08:38.30 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: replaced c99 idiom with c89 compatible one |
| 08:38.32 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: (all declarations have to be on top of a block) |
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| 10:14.32 | d-lo | ~seen d-lo |
| 10:14.33 | ibot | d-lo <n=claymore@bz.bzflag.bz> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 1s ago, saying: '~seen d-lo'. |
| 10:14.40 | d-lo | muwahaha |
| 10:14.48 | d-lo | mernin all! |
| 10:16.53 | ``Erik | yaegh |
| 10:17.08 | ``Erik | yargh, even |
| 10:17.11 | d-lo | whoa. up early or up late? |
| 10:17.42 | ``Erik | earlyish |
| 10:18.08 | ``Erik | been getting up at five something the last few weeks |
| 10:18.51 | d-lo | nice. |
| 11:56.16 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35149 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/viewweight.c: slightly more verbose logging if no density file is handy. |
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| 12:47.48 | starseeker | winces as he now begins to understand some of the design considerations that may have driven the original design of opennurbs_ext |
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| 12:49.02 | brlcad | ``Erik: you have a pine session going nuts |
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| 13:05.09 | ``Erik | that machine gets gimpy with locks :/ I can't even start mutt due to mail locks going wonky |
| 13:07.30 | ``Erik | lame, sometimes we get .so.0 and sometimes .so.0.0 |
| 13:08.35 | brlcad | needs a -version-info 19:1 LDFLAGS in the makeifle.amd |
| 13:10.43 | ``Erik | hrm *shrug* fbsd6 gives .so.0 and fbsd7+ gives .so.0.0 on our core libs, supposedly |
| 13:11.12 | ``Erik | ah, wait, no, not our core |
| 13:11.15 | brlcad | hm, doesn't sound right |
| 13:11.17 | ``Erik | just the step stuff |
| 13:11.21 | brlcad | yeah, the new libs |
| 13:11.26 | ``Erik | http://people.freebsd.org/~amdmi3/brlcad-7.14.8.log |
| 13:11.26 | brlcad | none of them have -version-info |
| 13:12.53 | brlcad | with it, they should list better and the packing list can be fixed |
| 13:13.39 | ``Erik | yeah, editing now |
| 13:13.54 | ``Erik | but I blew away my macports stuff, so I gotta get that up enough to test |
| 13:15.43 | brlcad | probably shouldn't be 19:1 |
| 13:16.18 | brlcad | don't know what it "should" be without re-reading the libtool docs on verison-info and checking up on step's version |
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| 15:16.20 | ``Erik | O.o http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/brlcad.org |
| 15:18.47 | louipc | canada wins |
| 15:18.58 | louipc | ok not really |
| 15:20.42 | starseeker | brlcad: when will they post your interview? |
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| 16:22.00 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35150 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: BASegment isn't serving any purpose - remove it. |
| 16:33.38 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35151 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: Don't use intersectedBy for a SubcurveBANode |
| 16:44.51 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35152 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: Add a few comments, formatting. |
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| 17:46.18 | jdoliner | indianlarry you around? |
| 17:49.06 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35153 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge BANode and SubcurveBANode classes into one BANode class |
| 18:00.03 | ``Erik | jabs indianlarry with a pointy stick |
| 18:00.24 | indianlarry | hey joe what's up |
| 18:04.10 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35154 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: Move CurveTree class before BVNode definitions |
| 18:06.26 | jdoliner | hi |
| 18:07.20 | indianlarry | hey joe |
| 18:07.34 | jdoliner | and it seems that even the numerical solutions use some algebraic stuff |
| 18:08.57 | jdoliner | it seems they're needed for finding basepoints |
| 18:09.17 | indianlarry | basepoints? |
| 18:09.30 | jdoliner | yeah what I mean by that |
| 18:09.45 | jdoliner | is that if we want to march along the intersection |
| 18:10.08 | jdoliner | we need a place to start that's on the intersection |
| 18:10.11 | jdoliner | curve |
| 18:13.14 | jdoliner | So I've been looking through a couple of CAS implementations to see how they handle these sorts of things |
| 18:14.03 | indianlarry | what's in the algebra, do they subdivide into near flat pieces like the raytracing and then intersect planes for a starting point? |
| 18:14.53 | indianlarry | could use bounding box to see what parts of the surface a near |
| 18:15.01 | indianlarry | are near |
| 18:15.56 | jdoliner | no they use the high level stuff like Groebner bases to solve things |
| 18:16.48 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 18:17.12 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35155 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (6 files in 6 dirs): chuck in some version info for installed libraries. Mimick BRL-CAD lib version (for now). |
| 18:18.17 | jdoliner | describe to me more how subdividing would work |
| 18:20.31 | indianlarry | for raytracing we currently subdivide each surface (in UV) until it is near flat |
| 18:22.21 | indianlarry | a 3D bounding box is computed for each near flat surface and put into a surface tree |
| 18:22.33 | jdoliner | okay |
| 18:22.52 | indianlarry | rays are first cast against the bounding boxes |
| 18:23.53 | indianlarry | for bounding boxes hit an iterative approach is used |
| 18:24.22 | indianlarry | two intersecting/perp planes are used to represent the ray |
| 18:25.09 | indianlarry | and an initial starting point in that sub-surfaces UV (possibly multiple start points) |
| 18:28.49 | indianlarry | given two bboxes from seperate surfaces overlap |
| 18:29.40 | indianlarry | use normals of each subsurface to setup walking direction |
| 18:30.14 | indianlarry | adjust normals as you walk |
| 18:33.09 | jdoliner | okay that makes sense |
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| 18:33.21 | indianlarry | walk on each surface, plane of two normals along with the plane of from surface normals and a perp plane along their average |
| 18:33.38 | indianlarry | just thinkin out load |
| 18:33.41 | indianlarry | loud |
| 18:34.56 | jdoliner | so yeah if we have two surface's and a point on their intersection curve, then going iteratively from the point along the cross of the normals will keep us on the curve? |
| 18:35.12 | jdoliner | provided we take small steps |
| 18:35.32 | jdoliner | and our geometry is "nice" |
| 18:36.28 | indianlarry | that can be a problem |
| 18:37.02 | indianlarry | especially with boundary trims where the UV extent is the intersection |
| 18:37.42 | indianlarry | you will also need to check in/out of trim |
| 18:38.02 | indianlarry | unless you just start with untrimmed surfaces |
| 18:38.06 | indianlarry | your call |
| 18:38.25 | indianlarry | i'd start with the untrimmed surfaces ;^) |
| 18:39.39 | indianlarry | though wwe do have trim in/out closeness checking |
| 18:40.06 | jdoliner | do you mean by "the UV extent is the intersection" |
| 18:41.20 | jdoliner | what do you mean by the above? |
| 18:41.21 | jdoliner | whoops |
| 18:43.14 | jdoliner | also have we considered adding in some algebraic geometry functionality in brlcad? |
| 18:45.21 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35156 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_manif.c: fix some sign issues with the paint table? maybe? |
| 18:46.27 | indianlarry | the intersection between to surfaces can lie along one of the surfaces UV boundary |
| 18:47.19 | indianlarry | two |
| 18:48.03 | indianlarry | have to make sure the iterator doesn't step out of UV that's all |
| 18:48.29 | jdoliner | yeah that would be a problem |
| 18:49.37 | indianlarry | if your up to it try out the algebraic solution and if it looks a bit much we'll go back to iterative approach |
| 18:51.26 | jdoliner | k I like that idea |
| 18:52.06 | jdoliner | groebner bases and stuff can be really powerful |
| 18:52.46 | indianlarry | cool, look forward to seeing what you come up with |
| 18:53.25 | jdoliner | does this go in libbn you think? |
| 18:54.14 | ``Erik | dang that indianlarry is a slavedriver O.o |
| 18:55.22 | indianlarry | up to you, if you'd like to keep it in procdb while your testing i'm okay with it |
| 18:56.07 | jdoliner | also a question on etiquette because I haven't really done this before |
| 18:56.30 | jdoliner | I'm planning to draw heavily from an opensource library called CoCoa in my implementation |
| 18:56.39 | indianlarry | indianlarry looks for dictionary |
| 18:57.06 | ``Erik | jdoliner is out to confuse us mac weenies |
| 18:57.23 | jdoliner | I don't think we want to just include their library as external code, because a lot of it isn't going to be that useful |
| 18:58.12 | jdoliner | it's GPLed and all so I think this is okay |
| 18:58.30 | ``Erik | um, we're not gpl |
| 18:58.46 | ``Erik | we're bsd and a little lgpl, some of our consumers cannot abide by gpl |
| 18:58.58 | jdoliner | I see |
| 18:59.05 | ``Erik | (like, consumers that let us have paychecks) :) |
| 18:59.24 | jdoliner | ah that kind of consumer I see |
| 19:00.49 | jdoliner | so if we just "stole" the code and put it in our project, we would need that code to be gpled or our entire project. either way it doesn't seem like we can do that |
| 19:02.47 | indianlarry | it's not unheard of to get special author permission but that would have to be formalized |
| 19:03.13 | indianlarry | probably more trouble than worth |
| 19:04.07 | jdoliner | I see |
| 19:04.46 | indianlarry | erik pointed out that is especially hard with multiple authors as is typical in an open source gpl environment |
| 19:04.46 | jdoliner | k 2 questions then |
| 19:05.01 | jdoliner | yeah that would become difficult |
| 19:05.17 | jdoliner | that license would something have to be under for us not to have to worry at all |
| 19:05.36 | ``Erik | bsd, mit, apache, ... even lgpl |
| 19:05.58 | jdoliner | okay then that becomes and option, also how much borrowing will we get in trouble for? |
| 19:07.18 | ``Erik | if it's a license that permits it, as much as ya want as long as you abide |
| 19:07.55 | ``Erik | for a bsd style license, that just means you give credit where it's due |
| 19:07.56 | indianlarry | we don't want to borrow anything we shouldn't |
| 19:08.43 | ``Erik | but we have code that links to and are linked to by proprietary shtuff, so we cannot snarf gpl stuff :( |
| 19:09.34 | ``Erik | (we probably have a couple small executables that may be gpl, but the libraries and headers have to be clean) |
| 19:10.28 | ``Erik | (billy holiday to tool, my playlist is awesome) |
| 19:11.05 | jdoliner | okay sounds good |
| 19:11.18 | ``Erik | there's a little discussion in the HACKING file about license crap |
| 19:12.31 | jdoliner | I guess I just have a good reference to look at for stuff |
| 19:12.53 | jdoliner | oh well their code isn't actually such a good fit anyways :) |
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| 19:15.10 | ``Erik | hm, gotta kinda be careful of doing that, the whole 'clean room' issue |
| 19:15.41 | ``Erik | (I wanna be a coder, not a lawyer, waahhhhh) |
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| 19:21.14 | jdoliner | well along those lines, this algorithm actually doesn't look all that though. I think I can probably just do it from scratch. |
| 19:21.54 | jdoliner | Perhaps this is Stallman's desired effect from the LGPL |
| 19:21.57 | jdoliner | and GPL |
| 19:24.12 | ``Erik | stallman is pushing a religion *shrug* |
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| 19:56.29 | brlcad | cheers as he gets the big endian to chatter over serial |
| 19:56.58 | brlcad | starseeker: in a couple days I believe |
| 19:57.43 | brlcad | ``Erik: heh, I saw that stats site .. most interesting is that it thinks we could make about 8 bucks a day on ads, heh |
| 19:59.05 | brlcad | jdoliner: if you look at CAS, you're going to find computational geometry approaches, they kinda go hand in hand but aren't the only way to approach the problem (and often suffer massively in terms of performance) |
| 20:04.19 | brlcad | jdoliner: and yeah, GPL code is certainly out -- we're clean-scrubbed to LGPL or better so at best you can get someone to "explain to you" a technique used in some GPL code, but the code itself cannot be used |
| 20:05.31 | brlcad | but more to the point of the approach, I'd personally prefer keeping your work isolated in proc-db (could be a subdir for that matter) before injecting a bunch of computational geometry/algebra routines into libbn/librt until we know it works well, at least proof of concept |
| 20:06.29 | jdoliner | k I've gotten myself a nice Algebra folder setup in proc-db |
| 20:06.36 | brlcad | otherwise, to add directly to libbn/librt before it's known to be viable, that'd be worthy of a branch |
| 20:06.54 | jdoliner | do you think Groebner bases are prohibitively inefficient |
| 20:06.55 | jdoliner | ? |
| 20:07.06 | brlcad | I think they probably will be :) |
| 20:07.18 | jdoliner | rats |
| 20:07.46 | brlcad | most of the algebra-based approaches require stable numerics, with many/most falling back to fixed- or infinite-precision numerics in order for them to work |
| 20:08.09 | brlcad | which are anywhere from two to four orders of magnitude slower than other approaches |
| 20:08.16 | jdoliner | the numeric algorithms I've found still use algebra at the starting point though |
| 20:08.28 | brlcad | it's mostly how do you solve |
| 20:10.26 | brlcad | I mean you're more than welcome to give it a shot, but you should be rather cautious that it might mean you end up with squat in terms of useful code |
| 20:10.54 | brlcad | we need surface surface intersections to be fast slightly more than we need them to be exact :) |
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| 20:11.43 | jdoliner | K |
| 20:12.01 | jdoliner | well as you can see from my talk with IL |
| 20:12.19 | jdoliner | the simple approach of just marching the normal's cross seems pretty viable |
| 20:12.31 | jdoliner | it fails in some boundary cases |
| 20:12.59 | brlcad | the primary use is going to be for calculating booleans so we can go CSG+primitives -> CSG+NURBS -> untrimmed evaluated NURBS -> polygonal mesh -> triangle mesh |
| 20:13.34 | jdoliner | oh |
| 20:13.46 | jdoliner | okay so if a bit of inaccuracy creeps in it might be okay |
| 20:14.01 | brlcad | as long as it's controlled inaccuracy, sure |
| 20:14.13 | brlcad | it can't end up with non-solid geometry |
| 20:14.40 | jdoliner | yeah that's the apocalypse |
| 20:15.22 | jdoliner | okay well using the normal marching is pretty well setup already seeing as ON already has normal eval builtin. |
| 20:15.26 | brlcad | that's an axiomatic requirement, and it has to keep the same topological structure/manifolds (if was a 3-manifold when we started, it should be a 3-manifold regardless of the transformation) |
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| 20:57.51 | ``Erik | ho hum |
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| 10:40.43 | ``Erik | blahhhh |
| 11:44.09 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35160 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: wim reports rtweight crashing on windows. unclear as to the cause but have narrowed it down and seems to be during view_init where .density file is parsed. |
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| 12:59.41 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35161 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS NEWS src/rt/viewweight.c): |
| 12:59.43 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: thanks to a report from Wim Bokkers, sf # 2822415 (rtweight crashes on Windows), |
| 12:59.45 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: rtweight should no longer crash on windows or elsewhere. the problem was an |
| 12:59.47 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: assumption in rtweight's view_init() that the HOME and PWD environment variables |
| 12:59.49 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: are always set. When they are unset, we end up with null pointer dereferences |
| 13:00.08 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: and crashing. |
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| 13:06.50 | ``Erik | irritating. |
| 13:07.29 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35162 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 13:07.31 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: make sure there aren't any other bad getenv assumptions of non-nullity in the |
| 13:07.33 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: code. shold also see if there are any patters that warrant a generalized |
| 13:07.35 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: interface for finding standard resource locations (home dir, current dir, |
| 13:07.37 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: brlcad-bin dir, brlcad-data dir, etc) |
| 13:14.13 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35163 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (Makefile.am doc/rise.txt rise/): omnomnom (remove old RISE stuff.) |
| 13:16.12 | ``Erik | has a server sitting with a screen that says "No keyboard detected. Press F1 to continue." |
| 13:16.16 | ``Erik | stupid pc crap |
| 13:16.52 | _clock_ | ``Erik: maybe they mean Formula One? |
| 13:18.19 | starseeker | must say he is impressed with the lineup of projects on the FLOSS interview list |
| 13:18.26 | ``Erik | heh, that'd be amusing, but what they actually mean is that the people who put it together are *cue censor beeping for 5 minutes of excessive vulgarity* |
| 13:21.42 | louipc | starseeker: what's that list? |
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| 14:04.42 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35164 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (5 files in 2 dirs): eliminate server side MySQL stuff. |
| 14:10.42 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35165 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c: remove dead code |
| 14:21.25 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35166 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (22 files in 2 dirs): collapse all the texture_*.h headers |
| 14:34.43 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35167 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: gut the MySQL geometry load stuff |
| 14:45.56 | starseeker | louipc: OpenSolaris, Inkscape, Cinelerra, Blender, OpenMoko, Xen, Bug Labs, XBMC, Rockbox... |
| 14:46.08 | starseeker | and soon, BRL-CAD :-) |
| 14:48.10 | ``Erik | url? |
| 14:52.36 | starseeker | http://twit.tv/floss |
| 14:52.54 | starseeker | oh, BZFlag not BRL-CAD |
| 14:52.59 | starseeker | my mistake |
| 14:53.42 | starseeker | http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYAJMbVobYCTro_z4LGo3ZQ |
| 14:55.39 | starseeker | They're trying to get OpenStreetMaps, Stellarium, WINE... |
| 14:55.42 | starseeker | wow |
| 14:56.38 | starseeker | should suggest Maxima... |
| 14:57.43 | ``Erik | ya like being laughed at that much? :D *duck* |
| 14:57.54 | starseeker | is used to it |
| 14:58.01 | starseeker | hey, I didn't suggest Axiom... |
| 15:35.56 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35168 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Mods to support undo operations for the _GLOBAL object in Archer. |
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| 15:37.39 | louipc | haha bzflag is really popular eh? |
| 16:25.47 | brlcad | starseeker: I did get to talk (briefly) about BRL-CAD |
| 16:26.37 | brlcad | louipc: yeah, and pretty well-known |
| 16:26.53 | brlcad | everyone has a warm spot in their heart for the lil tanks |
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| 16:50.48 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35169 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/copy.c: Free color table before importing another to avoid the blather. |
| 16:51.20 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35170 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Added a few comments. |
| 17:07.40 | ``Erik | *burp* |
| 17:07.50 | brlcad | mm.. hungry now |
| 17:07.57 | brlcad | should get some nom nom |
| 17:08.07 | ``Erik | didn't know you were in until I saw your car on the way out, we hit green turtle |
| 17:08.15 | brlcad | darn |
| 17:08.40 | brlcad | you probably shouldn't hit turtles |
| 17:08.59 | ``Erik | had donatello with a side of raphael |
| 17:09.13 | ``Erik | teenage mutant ninja hors devours |
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| 18:30.21 | starseeker | brlcad: around? |
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| 18:46.45 | brlcad | starseeker: yes |
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| 19:16.34 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35172 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (Makefile.am slave/load_g.c): need to install texture_internal.h ... |
| 19:17.25 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35173 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: don't try to set sensitivity on non-existant widgets. |
| 19:38.59 | brlcad | ``Erik: any luck with swiss cheese? |
| 19:39.18 | brlcad | i just hit the same painting algorithm bug, index of 256 |
| 19:39.37 | brlcad | not the first time that's come up -- I documented it in BUGS a couple years ago |
| 19:41.49 | starseeker | WOOOO-HOOO |
| 19:42.02 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35174 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): YES. Got the bounding box building to respect the trimming - the openbook is now centered properly in the default raytrace (not to mention the surface tree no longer has unneeded bounding boxes.) |
| 19:43.17 | brlcad | starseeker: awesome hehe |
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| 20:53.22 | ``Erik | no with the swiss cheese, get bus faults here and there, got busy with other stuff |
| 20:53.30 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 21:13.52 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35175 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/brlcad.module: Changed queueing mechanism: now models get queue for BRLCAD processing only if the file changed. |
| 21:30.34 | Ralith | ``Erik: did you ever get Qt to build? |
| 21:46.33 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35176 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ogretest.cxx: First attempt at using a Qt Layout on top of the context. The last widget becomes the only one visible. |
| 21:47.00 | ``Erik_ | yeah, qt4 |
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| 21:48.24 | Ralith | ``Erik: okay, can cmake detect it? |
| 21:48.30 | ``Erik | haven't tried yet :D |
| 21:51.34 | ``Erik | nope |
| 21:51.43 | Ralith | damn. |
| 21:51.56 | ``Erik | they're named kinda funny, though |
| 21:51.57 | Ralith | observes that removing rootWidget->show() is probably not a good way to fix the layout |
| 21:52.11 | Ralith | funny? |
| 21:52.20 | ``Erik | not Qt4, but QtCore QtOpenGL QtGui ... |
| 21:52.25 | Ralith | that's normal |
| 21:52.34 | Ralith | at least, that's how it is on my system |
| 21:52.43 | ``Erik | ok |
| 21:52.43 | Ralith | if you're using standard install procedures, strictly this is a cmake bug ;x |
| 21:52.53 | ``Erik | straight out of macports |
| 21:53.10 | ``Erik | hrm, they all have _debug on them |
| 21:53.11 | ``Erik | erik@precious ~/src/rt^3$ pkg-config --cflags QtCore_debug |
| 21:53.11 | ``Erik | -DQT_SHARED -I/opt/local/libexec/qt4-mac/include -I/opt/local/libexec/qt4-mac/include/QtCore |
| 21:53.21 | Ralith | ...wtf? |
| 21:53.22 | Ralith | that's not right |
| 21:53.29 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35177 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ogretest.cxx: Working layout! Woo! |
| 21:54.10 | Ralith | oh wow |
| 21:54.13 | Ralith | qtcreator is sexy |
| 21:54.30 | ``Erik | qt4-mac @4.5.2 aqua/qt4-mac |
| 21:54.44 | Ralith | ``Erik: sure you don't have some flags set funny? |
| 21:54.54 | Ralith | *that* sounds like a macports bug |
| 21:55.34 | ``Erik | didn't use a variant, just said "port install qt4-mac" and let it do its thing |
| 21:55.59 | Ralith | incidentally |
| 21:56.12 | Ralith | I'm going to try using Qt Creator to do the UI design |
| 21:56.25 | Ralith | should I be sticking its project files, etc. into version control? |
| 21:56.31 | Ralith | or keeping that local and only committing the generated code? |
| 22:00.00 | Ralith | brlcad: maybe you're the one I should be asking ^? |
| 22:01.28 | Ralith | <3 the Qt docs |
| 22:01.31 | Ralith | very thorough :] |
| 22:02.36 | ``Erik | yeah, qt was the first X toolkit I was able to really get into... once I figured out how things worked, I immediately fled to gtk, though |
| 22:02.53 | Ralith | buildtimes? |
| 22:03.24 | ``Erik | and api |
| 22:03.51 | Ralith | ah. |
| 22:04.04 | ``Erik | and various other issues, like back then, you had to explicitely catch resize and show events and call paint in qt, gtk "just worked" |
| 22:04.07 | Ralith | qt4 broke backwards compatibility, though |
| 22:04.18 | Ralith | and seems very nice so far |
| 22:05.01 | Ralith | plus, benign corporate backing ftw |
| 22:05.22 | Ralith | ``Erik: no opinion on the project file thingy? |
| 22:05.42 | ``Erik | I d'no the qtbuilder output and rt^3 isn't my playground *shrug* |
| 22:06.16 | ``Erik | personally, I tend to avoid committing generated files, but that's just me |
| 22:06.42 | Ralith | I'll keep it out of svn unless someone says otherwise, then |
| 22:08.28 | starseeker | Ralith: I'd commit at least the Qt Creator files |
| 22:08.52 | starseeker | the question of what we want to rely on for building is definitely a brlcad question |
| 22:09.01 | Ralith | okay then. |
| 22:09.28 | starseeker | part of that - does the code generator generate different code on a per-platform basis? |
| 22:09.29 | Ralith | QtCreator isn't necessary, but it's a good case of something that Qt offers which could significantly simplify GUI work. |
| 22:09.35 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:09.39 | Ralith | I don't know, but I doubt it |
| 22:09.51 | Ralith | Qt itself is *very* "code once, build anywhere" |
| 22:10.09 | Ralith | one of its major attractions, imo |
| 22:11.25 | Ralith | oh wait! |
| 22:11.32 | Ralith | the progerm I was looking for is Qt Designer |
| 22:11.38 | Ralith | that explains why this is so IDEy |
| 22:13.05 | starseeker | grins |
| 22:13.21 | starseeker | yeah, that probably makes a difference |
| 22:13.40 | Ralith | it did have a very nice GUI, though. |
| 22:15.13 | Ralith | needs to find a way to default to one of the more attractive Qt themes |
| 22:30.12 | Ralith | eugh. |
| 22:30.18 | Ralith | looks like I need to make a plugin :/ |
| 22:35.28 | Ralith | or maybe not |
| 22:48.23 | Ralith | okay, I've got a test window layed out in designer, and cmake's generating code from it correctly; now I need to work out how to actually *use* it. |
| 22:49.03 | Ralith | seems to have worked! :D |
| 22:53.44 | Ralith | okay, now to make the design useful. |
| 22:53.49 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35178 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CMakeLists.txt mainwindow.ui ogretest.cxx): Moved to Qt Designer, using cmake to generate code from mainwindow.ui. |
| 22:58.43 | ``Erik | w00t |
| 22:59.20 | Ralith | this is remarkably straightforward |
| 23:02.33 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35179 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/mainwindow.ui: Got the OgreGLWidget automatically resizing, although it still has an unnecessarily huge border. |
| 23:04.58 | Ralith | ahah! |
| 23:08.57 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35180 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/mainwindow.ui: Killed the border. |
| 23:10.14 | Ralith | ``Erik: so macports' Qt4 is debug-mode-only? |
| 23:10.24 | Ralith | that's not just your system? |
| 23:11.57 | ``Erik | I've no idea |
| 23:12.09 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35181 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/mainwindow.ui: Duplicated pre-designer ogretest; superimposed and laid out widgets working nicely. |
| 23:17.04 | Ralith | hm. |
| 23:17.32 | Ralith | I guess I'll have to work out another way to test. |
| 23:19.40 | Ralith | observes that Designer layouts end up with all widgets in the same namespace |
| 23:29.25 | Ralith | needs a screenshot of the original g3d |
| 23:30.47 | Ralith | designer's pretty intuitive :) |
| 23:34.47 | brlcad | pics or it didn't happen! |
| 23:35.04 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35182 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (mainwindow.ui ogretest.cxx): Beginnings of a non-functional duplication of the original G3D GUI. |
| 23:35.11 | brlcad | Ralith: commit at least anything one of us would need to reproduce what you're doing |
| 23:35.26 | Ralith | brlcad: yeah, that question got a lot less complicated when I realized I was using the wrong app :P |
| 23:35.38 | Ralith | Qt Creator is an IDE which spews out all sorts of weird project files |
| 23:35.41 | brlcad | just document what those things are somewhere, the README or something |
| 23:35.54 | brlcad | nods |
| 23:35.58 | Ralith | Qt Designer is a UI editor which creates .ui XML files which cmake knows how to preprocess into actual code. |
| 23:36.11 | Ralith | so the course of action there is obvious (commit the .ui and modify CMakeLists) |
| 23:37.14 | Ralith | brlcad: anyway, it's working great! I haven't got the GUI *doing* anything yet, but designer's very easy to work with, and I should be able to approximately duplicate the G3D UI as soon as I get something to refer to. |
| 23:37.33 | Ralith | unfortunately, I can't build old g3d here :/ |
| 23:39.22 | Ralith | I'm also very thankful for all the issues with portably managing text input, etc that I'm *not* running into thanks to the use of Qt to handle all that. |
| 23:39.32 | ``Erik | 80 pounds of paper recycling out on the curb O.o |
| 23:39.35 | Ralith | it's all Just Working nicely. |
| 23:43.29 | Ralith | quite a relief after all that pain with Ogre. |
| 23:48.15 | Ralith | has a neat idea for handling console output that also handles a transparency issue that may or may not exist |
| 23:53.10 | Ralith | anyway, if anyone could spare the time to run and screenshot old g3d that'd be great. |
| 23:54.07 | brlcad | there are screenshots on the website, http://brlcad.org/~mafm/g3d-screenshots/ |
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| 23:54.38 | Ralith | oh, cool, thanks |
| 23:54.40 | Ralith | didn't know about that |
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| 23:58.06 | Ralith | brlcad: remind me what the difference was supposed to be between the always-visible console (bottom of screenshots) versus the pop-up console? |
| 00:04.25 | Ralith | hm, I guess there are transparency issues. |
| 00:04.27 | Ralith | damn. |
| 00:06.11 | brlcad | the "pop-up" one isn't really a console as much as it is a interface to quick actions |
| 00:07.54 | brlcad | where the command line console is like mged's prompt where you can interact with the system, see results returned, script things out, etc; the on-demand interface is more for stateless quick commands "display object34", "help on rotations", "open http://brlcad.org", etc |
| 00:08.19 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35183 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/mainwindow.ui: Added a text label on top of the GL context, causing garbage to appear in transparent areas, a bug almost certainly related to the underlying OpenGL context. |
| 00:08.48 | brlcad | for starters, it could be a simple one-shot command interface like the console, but the long-term intent is more of a hot-key command-line |
| 00:09.25 | Ralith | encountered our first (and probably only) bug resulting from drawing on top of, rather than into, Ogre. |
| 00:09.31 | Ralith | pretty ugly one, though |
| 00:09.43 | brlcad | oh? |
| 00:10.02 | ``Erik | pix? :D |
| 00:10.16 | Ralith | hopefully avoidable by not using anything that does partial transparency directly on top of the context. |
| 00:10.22 | Ralith | (in this case, a bit of antialiased text) |
| 00:10.24 | Ralith | ``Erik: sure, sec |
| 00:11.07 | ``Erik | (btw, weirdnesses like that tend to be platform specific... qt can help, but it ain't a silver bullet... :) |
| 00:11.21 | Ralith | nah this is an OpenGL issue |
| 00:11.24 | Ralith | nothing platformy |
| 00:11.26 | ``Erik | um |
| 00:11.32 | ``Erik | opengl issues tend to be platformy :D |
| 00:11.38 | Ralith | although different video hardware might indeed have different effects |
| 00:11.46 | ``Erik | it's the ogl context going weird against the display context |
| 00:11.46 | Ralith | ``Erik: this is an opengl issue that's inherently opengly, and which I predicted :P |
| 00:12.00 | Ralith | that is to say, Qt can't do anything about it when used this way |
| 00:12.09 | Ralith | and I doubt any platform can either |
| 00:12.15 | ``Erik | under the hood, it's glueing itself with glxMakeContext() or wglMakeContext() or something |
| 00:12.17 | Ralith | perhaps a composited WM might be a special case |
| 00:12.18 | ``Erik | iirc |
| 00:12.20 | ``Erik | attachcontext? |
| 00:12.24 | ``Erik | been a long time |
| 00:13.12 | Ralith | http://isitloadedyet.com/~ralith/gl_weirdness.png |
| 00:13.27 | brlcad | Ralith: you should just keep a screenshot hot-key handy, we're just going to keep saying "pics!" ;) |
| 00:13.29 | ``Erik | even the venerable SDL had platform specific weirdness when things like ogl were in the picture :) *shrug* |
| 00:13.44 | brlcad | venerable?! |
| 00:13.47 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:13.57 | Ralith | still, this makes me want to go back and try the QGraphicsView approach again |
| 00:13.59 | ``Erik | HEY! |
| 00:14.02 | ``Erik | hugs his sdl |
| 00:14.13 | brlcad | remember fighting SDL to no end to make it behave when we ported BZ to it, had to sort out a half-dozen bugs |
| 00:14.26 | ``Erik | neat, when was that? |
| 00:14.43 | brlcad | like five years ago or something |
| 00:14.56 | ``Erik | was coding ground up with sdl in '98-02, didn't try porting existing stff to it |
| 00:17.51 | ``Erik | so, yeah, I hadn't made any progress on swiss cheese, something in the plate negatives is screwed up. indianlarry mentioned something about some of those having air codes |
| 00:19.34 | Ralith | ooh |
| 00:19.36 | Ralith | rich text labelling |
| 00:19.57 | Ralith | fantasizes about log messages with clickable object names |
| 00:22.54 | Ralith | yep |
| 00:22.59 | Ralith | it was partial transparency that was responsible |
| 00:23.15 | Ralith | giving the label a solid-fill background killed the error |
| 00:40.53 | brlcad | the painting algorithm does have some bug in it |
| 00:40.58 | brlcad | or the things that call the painting do |
| 00:41.05 | brlcad | because it is exceeding that index |
| 00:41.26 | brlcad | which shouldn't be happening, I believe that's a count of how many edges are comging together iirc |
| 00:41.34 | brlcad | 256 is nonsense |
| 00:42.18 | ``Erik | given that it's an unsigned char, 256 is a big wtf o.O |
| 00:42.39 | brlcad | well, that too, but the fact that it'd count anywhere near that high |
| 00:44.04 | brlcad | thinks he's going to pop in Ghost in the Shell 2 here in a few minutes, party at my house |
| 00:44.11 | ``Erik | I told russ that my guess was that it's a longstanding bug that we haven't been able to get to :/ |
| 00:44.51 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:45.54 | ``Erik | stacking the crap at the end of my driveway got my wrist hurtin', I'm not gonna go move it again :D I'm trapped for the night |
| 00:46.07 | ``Erik | </whine> |
| 00:48.41 | brlcad | ~cheese ``Erik |
| 00:48.42 | ibot | ACTION hands ``Erik a tray of sliced sharp cheddar and pineapple |
| 00:49.32 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:50.27 | brlcad | this week was so off-kilter that I can't even bring myself to a glass of scotch |
| 00:50.58 | brlcad | sips some irish whiskey instead |
| 00:52.51 | ``Erik | sips his cranberry juice o.O |
| 00:52.53 | ``Erik | top THAT! HA! |
| 00:54.38 | brlcad | drops doggie poop in the juice, there topped it! |
| 00:59.33 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35184 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (5 files): Installed an intermediary MainWindow class on top of the autogenerated Ui::MainWindow to allow functionality to be attached to the GUI. |
| 01:30.41 | Ralith | wow |
| 01:30.41 | Ralith | abstracting the console out into its own widget was remarkably easy |
| 01:30.41 | Ralith | Qt was a great choice :] |
| 01:30.41 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35185 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CMakeLists.txt Console.cxx Console.h mainwindow.ui): Made the console its own widget. |
| 01:32.48 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1917186 we totally need EM trains here |
| 01:45.15 | Ralith | argh |
| 01:45.24 | Ralith | I guess the GL error doesn't just manifest when you use text like that :| |
| 01:47.15 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35186 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Console.cxx Console.h): Added autohiding of the console output label. Strangely, this seems to have caused the OpenGL error formerly assumed to be related to partial transparency to return. |
| 01:48.01 | starseeker | Ralith: you think the QGraphicsView approach would avoid those issues if it could be made to work with Ogre? |
| 01:48.14 | Ralith | starseeker: I'm just about certain it would. |
| 01:48.29 | Ralith | considering that the modelview example used 80% transparent everything. |
| 01:52.39 | Ralith | brbs |
| 02:03.03 | Ralith | unbrbs |
| 02:10.23 | starseeker | sobs as he sees that the "improved" Apollo 11 footage is not the original tapes' |
| 02:10.45 | starseeker | good to seem them preserving what they can, but ARRRRRRRRGH |
| 02:11.12 | starseeker | something only possible at a large buerocracy |
| 02:11.35 | starseeker | reuse best quality tapes of historic human milestone to save a few bucks |
| 02:20.02 | starseeker | oddly fitting monument to America's reaction to space exploration post-moon-landing, though... |
| 02:31.06 | starseeker | downloads the restored copies anyway... |
| 02:40.59 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35187 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Console.cxx Console.h): Improved console output autohide: output can now be moused over, and the OpenGL error has once again dissapeared. |
| 02:50.21 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35188 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Removed unnecessary margin and spacing (which tended to not get redrawn, leading to uglyness) from Console's layout. |
| 02:55.02 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35189 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/mainwindow.ui: Removed some more unnecessary margin, this time from the options bar along the top. |
| 03:22.48 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bharder * r35190 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: reflect name change, incorporation |
| 03:32.43 | Ralith | brlcad: at what point should I s/ogretest/g3d/? |
| 03:32.56 | Ralith | when I reach feature-equivalence? |
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| 03:33.14 | Ralith | or now, since it's no longer just a testcase? |
| 04:07.57 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35191 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: |
| 04:07.59 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Made Console output text selectable/copyable (and any links that might appear in |
| 04:08.01 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: the future clickable). This should probably be done in any case where a user |
| 04:08.03 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: might conceivably want to, for example, copy an error message into a request for |
| 04:08.05 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: help or bug report. |
| 05:27.12 | Ralith | okay, at this point the GUI is tweaked such that the visibility of that OpenGL bug is minor |
| 05:27.23 | Ralith | even though it keeps recurring |
| 05:33.53 | Ralith | starseeker: something possibly of interest: |
| 05:34.06 | Ralith | "Qt normally erases the widget's area before the paintEvent() call. If the WRepaintNoErase widget flag is set, the widget is responsible for painting all its pixels itself." |
| 05:34.30 | Ralith | i.e. setting WRepaintNoErase may be a good idea |
| 05:56.14 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35192 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Ensure that Ogre rendering occurs frequently (targetting 100fps). |
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| 08:51.23 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1573 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 15-17 |
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| 09:35.39 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 11:51.43 | ``Erik | nifty, got X back up on the 'hack' box |
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| 14:54.00 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35195 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/brlcad.module: Allow users to select which object to render. |
| 15:42.14 | ``Erik | compiles ogre3d on his fbsd box O.o |
| 15:42.17 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35196 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/brlcad.module: Queue model for BRLCAD processing when the user changes the object to render. |
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| 15:47.20 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35198 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/filefield/filefield.module: Allow Node ID to be used in file paths. |
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| 15:52.13 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35199 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtie/tie.c: avoid puking of initial triangle buffer is 0 bytes |
| 16:05.54 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35200 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm-rtgl.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): storing dm-rtgl points in vertex arrays to improve performance |
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| 18:24.39 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r35201 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/ (bot.c g_bot_include.c): |
| 18:24.44 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: prep method will now fail if an index for a vertex is out of range. |
| 18:24.50 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: describe method now points out faces that have vertex indices out of range. |
| 18:24.54 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: This fixes bug ID: 1592074 "Bot does not raytrace" |
| 19:34.51 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1574 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 18 |
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| 00:45.25 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35202 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Added a slot to OgreGLWidget to set projection type (perspective or orthographic). |
| 00:48.39 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35203 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Scrapped public access to OgreGLWidget's Ogre internals. |
| 00:48.49 | Ralith | wups |
| 00:48.59 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35204 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.h: Added header changes forgotten in previous commit. |
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| 01:07.41 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35205 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (MainWindow.cxx OgreGLWidget.cxx mainwindow.ui): Attempted to hook up the camera projection mode menu to Ogre's relevant functionality. No visible effect. |
| 01:07.58 | Ralith | oh wait! |
| 01:13.20 | Ralith | yay |
| 01:13.25 | Ralith | now the GUI actually does something :] |
| 01:13.30 | Ralith | although it doesn't have any visible side effects... |
| 01:13.35 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35206 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (MainWindow.cxx OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Working (albeit slightly hackish) projection mode configuration! |
| 01:18.09 | Ralith | next is camera controls, I think. |
| 01:18.17 | Ralith | then I'll take another whack at seeing why Ogre is so weirdly misaligned |
| 01:36.43 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1575 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Log for 2008-07-17 |
| 01:37.14 | Ralith | I have to say, producing visible results is quite fun. |
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| 13:34.40 | ``Erik | yeah, that's the money shot O.o |
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| 17:26.17 | bobbens | Has anyone compiled 7.14.8 with gcc 4.4.0? |
| 17:26.45 | louipc | yep |
| 17:27.03 | bobbens | got it working? it fails here with http://pastebin.com/d5c694624 |
| 17:27.26 | louipc | well it got caught on jove, but then I just disabled jove |
| 17:27.28 | louipc | no need for that |
| 17:27.42 | bobbens | mmm, was trying to use the Arch AUR package :) |
| 17:28.09 | bobbens | what's this jove you speak of? |
| 17:28.27 | bobbens | actually, it does seem to --disable-jove |
| 17:28.39 | louipc | it's an old text editor bundled with brlcad |
| 17:28.50 | louipc | notice I uploaded that PKGBUILD |
| 17:29.01 | bobbens | ah |
| 17:29.39 | louipc | hmm what arch are you on? |
| 17:29.44 | bobbens | x86_64 |
| 17:30.02 | louipc | :( |
| 17:30.31 | louipc | I can't debug that heh... I'm i686 |
| 17:31.01 | bobbens | old school :) |
| 17:32.56 | louipc | someone else had a config error too.. it didn't want to build ogl support even with --with-opengl |
| 17:49.52 | louipc | bobbens: hmm in my build step wasn't even configured |
| 17:55.41 | louipc | bobbens: I get the same error when trying to build it manually |
| 17:59.33 | bobbens | ah, ok |
| 17:59.40 | louipc | Here's a description of the issue: http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/07/02/how-_not_-to-fix-gcc-4-4-bugs |
| 18:00.58 | ``Erik | jove should be disabled in a normal 'configure' :/ |
| 18:03.17 | bobbens | louipc: mmm, blog isn't loading for me |
| 18:03.31 | bobbens | funny how I say that and it loads after 3 failed attemps |
| 18:03.37 | louipc | haha |
| 18:03.39 | bobbens | more proof that complaining on irc fixes your problems |
| 18:04.14 | louipc | so that needs to be patched... but it also seems something is wrong with configure |
| 18:07.39 | louipc | ``Erik: jove is on [auto] right now... |
| 18:07.58 | louipc | which means [yes] if you don't have it eh? |
| 18:08.14 | louipc | well... on 7.14.8 anyways |
| 18:08.41 | louipc | .. and SVN hehe |
| 18:08.55 | ``Erik | hm, I thought it was set up to only build if configure couldn't find a "sane" editor (vi, vim, ... even emacs) |
| 18:10.48 | louipc | that doesn't work very well for building packages |
| 18:10.58 | louipc | you don't really know what the target system will have installed |
| 18:11.23 | louipc | but everybody usually has vi :D |
| 18:13.14 | ``Erik | I explicitely --disable-jove for the fbsd package/port |
| 18:14.51 | louipc | shall we disable it in brl-cad proper? |
| 18:15.01 | louipc | I'm all for it |
| 18:15.35 | louipc | for disabling it |
| 18:16.44 | ``Erik | I've been saying that should be done, well... for 6 years now |
| 18:17.01 | ``Erik | I think it's on the deprecated list and will be gone for 8 or something |
| 18:17.19 | louipc | ... |
| 18:17.39 | ``Erik | grab a couple car batteries, jumper cables, and visit brlcad to discuss it *shrug* :D |
| 18:17.55 | louipc | hehe |
| 18:18.27 | louipc | so when 8 rolls around it'll be disabled |
| 18:18.36 | louipc | and then totally removed at 9? |
| 18:20.00 | ``Erik | gone in 8 I think? *shrug* |
| 18:42.12 | louipc | bobbens: hmm that const char/char bug is fixed in svn you might want to try svn |
| 18:46.43 | bobbens | louipc: might give it a shot tomorrow, thanks for the insight |
| 18:47.03 | louipc | cool no problem |
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| 20:08.20 | ``Erik | .deps retardedness. *sigh* |
| 20:08.35 | louipc | who did what? |
| 20:09.03 | ``Erik | I'm building on a box that hasn't been updated in about a year |
| 20:09.12 | louipc | nice |
| 20:09.24 | ``Erik | auto* seems to get fucktarded with the .deps entries when things move |
| 20:11.25 | ``Erik | svn makes moving things easy, so it's done without consideration for impact... cvs required care, so much more care was put into file location and moving stuff wasn't taken so lightly :( |
| 20:11.44 | ``Erik | if your tools make fucking up easier to recover from, you're gonna fuck up more. :( |
| 20:11.48 | ``Erik | </rant> |
| 20:12.08 | louipc | makes sense |
| 20:12.15 | bobbens | on svn it's not that bad since you don't keep a local copies of changes |
| 20:12.23 | bobbens | with git it's insanely easy to bloat a repo with binary stuff |
| 20:12.28 | bobbens | has that problem :( |
| 20:12.52 | ``Erik | svn keeps local copies, but it doesn't keep the "all of everything everywhere" that all distributed systems carry |
| 20:13.04 | ``Erik | git, darcs, mercurial, etc... |
| 20:13.24 | bobbens | well with the price of memory, diskspace and such going down, decentralized version control systems will dominate I'd say |
| 20:13.34 | bobbens | plus it's nice not to depend on a server |
| 20:13.42 | louipc | yeah definitely |
| 20:14.03 | bobbens | if only binary diffs got up to par :P |
| 20:14.16 | bobbens | maybe have some git stuff that actually does per-filetype patches or something |
| 20:14.29 | ``Erik | *shrug* drew in #ucw/#lisp/#tech.coop is into distributed systems, but he tends to take his boat out for long periods with no intarwebz access... |
| 20:15.14 | bobbens | well philosophically it's also very different |
| 20:15.21 | ``Erik | personally, I don't spend more than a day without intarwebz, and can destructure my patches for committing, so even RCS is doable, CVS has some nice bennies |
| 20:15.22 | louipc | I'm a fan of git too |
| 20:15.28 | bobbens | with svn I rarely ever work with branches since they're a pain in the ass with svn |
| 20:15.36 | bobbens | but with git I'm creating/destroying/merging branches all the time |
| 20:15.41 | louipc | yep |
| 20:15.55 | ``Erik | heh, the big point of svn was to make branches easy to work with :D |
| 20:16.07 | louipc | hah |
| 20:16.14 | bobbens | well compared to git... :) |
| 20:16.19 | bobbens | you do git checkout -b foo |
| 20:16.22 | ``Erik | people who don't... quite.. GET branches... really fail hard with CVS |
| 20:16.25 | bobbens | and instantly have a branch |
| 20:16.28 | louipc | why did they keep the silly $Id tag then? |
| 20:16.48 | bobbens | git merging is also very fancy |
| 20:16.53 | bobbens | when you start cherry-picking and doing funky stuff |
| 20:17.04 | bobbens | I'm a pretty die-hard git fanatic, so my views are slightly biased |
| 20:17.18 | louipc | bobbens: cool what kind of devel do you do? |
| 20:17.53 | bobbens | robotics (work), game (hobby) and everything else (documents - LaTeX, $HOME, etc...) -> git |
| 20:17.58 | bobbens | i'm still a student though :) |
| 20:18.14 | bobbens | just wanted to try out brlcad because my current UGV chassis design is epic failure |
| 20:18.27 | bobbens | found out that the support foundation doesn't let the encoders fit :P |
| 20:18.33 | bobbens | so I might as well remake it |
| 20:18.43 | bobbens | properly modelling the batteries, PCBs and such |
| 20:19.12 | louipc | neat |
| 20:20.25 | bobbens | I meant to try brlcad like 3 years ago |
| 20:20.29 | bobbens | but learning curve was too harsh |
| 20:20.40 | bobbens | I have a wee bit of free time so I'll give it another shot :P |
| 20:20.45 | louipc | it hasn't changed much |
| 20:20.53 | louipc | :P |
| 20:21.23 | louipc | hey and you're smarter than 3 yrs ago.. probably |
| 20:21.30 | bobbens | yeah |
| 20:21.40 | bobbens | well I'm used to solid works though from the few CAD classes we have to take |
| 20:21.57 | bobbens | and I actually have a project for it :) |
| 20:22.03 | bobbens | last time it was just to mess around |
| 20:22.28 | bobbens | but isn't some GSoC guy adding some stuff to do work in the 3d view directly with surfaces like solid works does? |
| 20:23.39 | louipc | umm there's work on a new GUI |
| 20:24.07 | bobbens | I just need to do parametric modelling basically |
| 20:24.28 | bobbens | well the only thing I can really work with is convex sheet metal |
| 20:24.39 | bobbens | so the design will be simple, mainly it's getting the holes and sizes right all over |
| 21:04.49 | brlcad | waves hello |
| 21:06.32 | bobbens | hello brlcad |
| 21:23.29 | brlcad | louipc: go ahead and default it to no |
| 21:24.16 | brlcad | the const char * to char* conversion was fixed |
| 21:26.02 | brlcad | bobbens: glad to hear about the interest -- latest svn should take care of that build problem |
| 21:26.05 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 21:26.06 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 21:27.25 | brlcad | we still don't provide parametric modeling, fwiw, until more infrastructure is in place on parametric and constraints support, but there is a lot of work going into the gui |
| 21:28.42 | bobbens | ah |
| 21:28.47 | bobbens | that's a bummer |
| 21:28.58 | bobbens | parametric modelling was the main thing I was looking forward to |
| 21:30.55 | brlcad | what do you mean when you say parametric modeling? |
| 21:31.15 | brlcad | (some folks mean different things unfortunately, gotta ask) |
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| 21:31.17 | bobbens | like you want the chassis to be 50 by 50, and then you want a hole 10 from the edge |
| 21:31.24 | bobbens | then you decide you want it to be 40 by 40 instead |
| 21:31.29 | bobbens | and the hole stays 10 from the edge |
| 21:32.32 | brlcad | okay, yeah |
| 22:21.33 | bobbens | make benchmark is pretty impressive :) |
| 22:22.48 | brlcad | what's yoru vgr count? |
| 22:23.52 | bobbens | vgr count? |
| 22:24.09 | bobbens | well I'm working on something similar to that for GSoC and SDL :) |
| 22:31.16 | brlcad | bobbens: there's a final number that's reported during the benchmark, that's called your vgr count |
| 22:31.30 | brlcad | it's a linear metric of overall computation performance, baselined |
| 22:31.53 | brlcad | which gsoc project? link? |
| 22:31.59 | bobbens | *vgr ghanima 5600.81 5339.51 6737.44 5472.48 4824.49 26.91 4666.94 |
| 22:32.01 | bobbens | hadn't gotten there yet :) |
| 22:33.00 | brlcad | 4666, not too bad |
| 22:33.06 | brlcad | I presume that wasn't optimized either |
| 22:33.18 | bobbens | http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/sdl/t124024854746 |
| 22:34.06 | brlcad | ah, sams your mentor, cool -- he's a great guy |
| 22:34.15 | bobbens | yeah, I was with SDL last year too |
| 22:34.26 | bobbens | only problem is he has too much real life :) |
| 22:34.30 | bobbens | which is a good thing for him though :P |
| 22:35.24 | brlcad | nods |
| 22:36.02 | brlcad | benchmark isn't exactly our testing suite, just one of many regression tests and a stand-alone performance measurement tool in itself |
| 22:36.21 | bobbens | well I just do regressions |
| 22:36.22 | bobbens | not performance |
| 22:36.34 | bobbens | the problem is the cross-platformness and nature of SDL |
| 22:36.35 | brlcad | as ray-tracing is at the core of what we do, using raytracing for our regressions is natural |
| 22:36.43 | bobbens | how does one test input and stuff in a cross-platform way? :) |
| 22:38.42 | brlcad | have per-platform regression tests, then higher-level integration tests that combine results |
| 22:39.06 | bobbens | well, that's the thing I'm trying to avoid |
| 22:39.18 | bobbens | I mean SDL runs on a lot of platforms, that would kill me :) |
| 22:39.28 | bobbens | many I don't have access to |
| 22:40.06 | brlcad | sure, but that's not exactly a testing question |
| 22:40.19 | brlcad | testing setup isn't the same as running the tests :) |
| 22:40.43 | bobbens | well if I have to write platform-specific tests, I need access to those machines :) |
| 22:41.10 | brlcad | you need someone with access to those machines, you only need access if you're also the tester |
| 22:41.20 | bobbens | I mean I'd have to write stuff for the iPhone, nintendo DS, playstastion 3, minix, ps2, etc... |
| 22:41.30 | bobbens | well I'd need access to write the input tests :) |
| 22:41.43 | bobbens | anyway, I'll just write the crossplatform parts |
| 22:42.06 | bobbens | and leave the platform-specific as non-automated |
| 22:42.12 | bobbens | force the user to do stuff |
| 22:43.05 | brlcad | my point was that you don't personally need access, you just need someone who does that you can work with and/or that can provide the required data |
| 22:43.29 | brlcad | i mean it certainly could help, but it's not genuine to say it's required |
| 22:43.33 | bobbens | well by personal access I meant ssh :P |
| 22:43.49 | bobbens | last year I did the haptic interface for mac os x over ssh :) |
| 22:43.54 | brlcad | and I mean you don't even need to touch a minix system in order to write a good minix test |
| 22:44.04 | bobbens | it helps :) |
| 22:44.10 | brlcad | it *can* help |
| 22:44.21 | bobbens | I rarely ever write code that compiles first pass unless it's under 100 lines |
| 22:45.50 | bobbens | anyway, this is offtopic :) |
| 22:45.57 | brlcad | given sdl's job is already one of abstraction, it would seem logical to leverage the end-users more as an actual part of the integrated testing infrastructure |
| 22:46.20 | bobbens | well ideally I would have a "make test" that would automatically test everything for regressions |
| 22:46.39 | bobbens | could be run after every couple of commits |
| 22:46.54 | bobbens | goes to sleep, robots don't code themselves in the morning if a bobbens doesn't wake up |
| 22:47.03 | brlcad | like having high-level tests of SDL_Window, for example, and say (just for example) that if you had a make test rule, and it was run on a checkout and it failed -- the a regression reporte would be sent in to a report accumulation system |
| 22:47.47 | brlcad | then cross-platform testing is leveraged across the community, or could be set up in a nightly compile farm or whatever suits |
| 23:20.46 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r35207 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/bot.c: |
| 23:20.46 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: "db adjust" and "db put" will now warn the user if an invalid vertex index |
| 23:20.49 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: is entered for a face. |
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| 00:35.03 | louipc | brlcad: alrighty |
| 00:36.30 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03louipc * r35208 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Disable jove build by default. |
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| 04:20.28 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35209 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/express/Makefile.am: already had a version-info on LDFLAGS, fix autoreconf failure |
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| 07:59.13 | ``Erik | *readreadread* sam didn't used to have too much life, but he went and got married and shit. awfully nice guy, not sure he realized I was the bastard emailing him all the time when I met him at gsoc |
| 08:01.10 | ``Erik | hm, jra is at it on his day off again O.o |
| 08:03.49 | ``Erik | (for automated testing, I've kinda fallen into the camp of having a basic high level pattern, then creating automated tests only when issues are discovered... tried test driven development, it burns a lot of time, more than it saves for a semicompetent developer I think |
| 08:05.29 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35210 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/bot.c: |
| 08:05.30 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: replaced a C99 idiom with something C89 compatible |
| 08:05.32 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: (or else it won't compile with MSVC 2008) |
| 08:27.50 | bobbens | ``Erik: well the SDL 1.3 API is "stable", the trouble is coding for all the billion platforms, so it makes more sense to have a testing suite imho |
| 08:28.09 | bobbens | it's long overdue and will help fix stuff imho, but we'll see :) |
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| 10:03.38 | ``Erik | sdl is good stuff, 10 years ago, I was jabbering about the "holy trinity", opengl, openal and sdl |
| 10:04.46 | ``Erik | recinds his decision to avoid gsoc mentor summit, but will cede position if they're limited |
| 10:05.04 | ``Erik | unfortunately, it's too late to decide to go to siggraph |
| 10:23.43 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03194.44.97.14 07http://brlcad.org * r1576 10/wiki/Main_Page: |
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| 10:35.24 | alfadir | eh.. found some links (http://www.bestessays.com/prices.php etc. ) on the http://brlcad.org/wiki/Main_Page at the end.. spam ? |
| 10:36.17 | alfadir | was looking for progress on debian package : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289632#87 |
| 10:36.32 | alfadir | but i guess i'll just build if from source |
| 10:36.46 | archivist | there are two spam links there |
| 10:36.54 | alfadir | yes |
| 10:37.56 | alfadir | well just so you know.. i'm new to brlcad and just wanted to try it out.. |
| 10:38.10 | alfadir | found the links by accident ;) |
| 10:39.33 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 0381.149.119.172 07http://brlcad.org * r1577 10/wiki/Main_Page: remove spam |
| 13:09.54 | indianlarry | Erik you still here |
| 13:10.31 | indianlarry | ``Erik: folks here are getting an error on forge |
| 13:11.22 | indianlarry | ``Erik: Table 'wikidb.arl_page_props' doesn't exist |
| 13:12.30 | indianlarry | ``Erik: we did have power issues this weekend both our Macs were down |
| 13:13.38 | indianlarry | ``Erik: forge appears to be up(starts ssh session) but i do not have an account on that machine |
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| 14:29.30 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35211 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/wcodes.c: Freeing the rt_db_internal structure. |
| 14:33.20 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35212 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/edcodes.c: Added a -n option to edcodes. If -n is specified, instead of running the command a list of the affected objects is returned. |
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| 15:00.11 | bobbens | ``Erik: I enjoy heavily using SDL with OpenGL and OpenAL :) |
| 15:00.21 | bobbens | newest ALsoft even has some of the EFX specification implemented |
| 15:00.29 | bobbens | namely reverb and echo |
| 15:28.11 | brlcad | bobbens: what is ALsoft, client library or end-user utility? |
| 15:30.09 | brlcad | gets hungry |
| 15:37.43 | ``Erik | indianlarry: is the rdbms working? they'll probbaly just have to wait until I'm in tomorrow :/ |
| 15:38.13 | bobbens | brlcad: OpenAL sw implementation, the standard on linux |
| 15:39.25 | brlcad | ah, thanks |
| 15:39.36 | ``Erik | should mkae sure openal still works on fbsd, got the commit bit when it was still fairly new, hasn't been doing due diligence :/ |
| 15:39.55 | ``Erik | but at the moment, errands! *drivedrivedrive* |
| 15:40.06 | brlcad | watch those curbs |
| 15:40.09 | brlcad | and people |
| 15:40.11 | brlcad | and other cars |
| 15:43.11 | indianlarry | ``Erik: Pat was having some issues but haven't heard anything since early this morning, I'm sure it can wait |
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| 17:08.39 | brlcad | hello jdoliner |
| 17:09.33 | jdoliner | hiya |
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| 17:17.07 | ``Erik | ain't hit people or cars in a long long time O.o |
| 17:18.06 | brlcad | so you're due? :) |
| 17:18.13 | ``Erik | it'd seem so! |
| 17:18.50 | ``Erik | forgot the 'coupon' cc thingies for buying a dtv receiver :/ just mva and homedespot today |
| 19:11.45 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35213 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp): |
| 19:11.48 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: OK, have a working raytrace where some parameter passing is taking place. Does |
| 19:11.50 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: not produce the dramatic speedup seen elsewhere, possibly due to my replicating |
| 19:11.52 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: the existing flatness test point selection rather than the 'clever' choice. |
| 19:11.56 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: Since there is a slight speedup (a about 10 seconds out of a minute and a half |
| 19:11.58 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: prep) I'll go ahead and commit, with an eye towards further optimization later. |
| 19:30.36 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35214 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am surfaceintersect.cpp surfaceintersect.h): initial support for surface surface intersection |
| 19:49.58 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35215 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Added a new pose, the Captain (#5), and cleaned up some of the functions |
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| 21:10.08 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35216 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm-rtgl.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): added normal and view calculation to dm-rtgl |
| 21:10.58 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35217 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Removed an unnessecary switch statement, and added help info on stances |
| 22:04.52 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35218 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (MainWindow.cxx OgreGLWidget.cxx): Moved enforced orthographic default view to OgreGLWidget::initializeGL to ensure that it actually happens, and added handling for the case of an uninitialized camera to OgreGLWidget::setProjection. |
| 22:13.56 | Ralith | yay |
| 22:14.08 | Ralith | I finally found somewhere to pull in a big chunk of mafm's code and save myself work :] |
| 22:14.19 | Ralith | should be able to reuse the camera input system with almost no changes |
| 22:25.58 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35219 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CameraMode.h: Adapted CameraMode to use Qt input types. |
| 22:27.14 | mafm | yay for reusing my code! |
| 22:28.05 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 22:28.30 | Ralith | I was worried I'd have to scrap much of it because of deep integration with OIS and Mocha and such, but your camera control code is wonderfully abstracted :D |
| 22:28.44 | Ralith | just have to twiddle a few types and rework the switch clauses in the individual modes |
| 22:29.10 | mafm | does it really use Mocha? |
| 22:29.23 | mafm | it must be the minimum to feed RBGui I gues |
| 22:29.27 | mafm | guess* |
| 22:29.56 | Ralith | that bit doesn't |
| 22:30.02 | Ralith | all it uses is Ogre and OIS |
| 22:30.05 | Ralith | and the OIS bits are cosmetic |
| 22:32.28 | mafm | well, if you use Qt some things have to change, true |
| 22:32.46 | mafm | good that you can reuse it, I think that it worked pretty well |
| 22:32.50 | Ralith | indeed |
| 22:32.54 | Ralith | it looks like a lot of code, too |
| 22:32.59 | Ralith | I'd hate to have to rework all that |
| 22:33.27 | mafm | apart from that I think that it was you who gave suggestions about how different programs (blender etc) worked |
| 22:35.30 | Ralith | yup |
| 22:35.32 | Ralith | blender, at least. |
| 22:35.45 | Ralith | mafm: btw, did you ever encounter this weird offset error I'm getting? |
| 22:35.59 | louipc | make it like solidworks :D |
| 22:36.20 | Ralith | louipc: subclass CameraMode and implement it and I'll merge it ^^ |
| 22:36.53 | mafm | Ralith: which offset error? (I've been out all the weekend) |
| 22:37.25 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35220 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CameraMode.h: Switched to Qt events rather than simple keycodes/button IDs. |
| 22:38.43 | Ralith | mafm: sec, uploading screen |
| 22:39.35 | Ralith | mafm: okay, here's the current state of my GUI reimpl: http://isitloadedyet.com/~ralith/offset_error.png |
| 22:39.40 | Ralith | see that dark grey box in the corner? |
| 22:39.45 | Ralith | that's the ogre background color. |
| 22:39.50 | Ralith | for some reason it's not filling up the whole context. |
| 22:54.00 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35221 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CameraMode.h: More type adaptation to Qt. |
| 22:59.47 | Ralith | pokes mafm |
| 23:00.39 | mafm | mmm |
| 23:01.08 | mafm | maybe it's taking as reference the middle of the screen instead the top left corner |
| 23:01.40 | mafm | or some similar difference in coordinates between ogre and qt |
| 23:02.39 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35222 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CameraModeMGED.cxx CameraModeMGED.h): Converted to Qt types. |
| 23:02.54 | Ralith | mafm: what? |
| 23:03.08 | Ralith | Ogre doesn't have anything to do with Qt's coords |
| 23:03.13 | Ralith | they dont' interact at all |
| 23:03.54 | mafm | well, don't you have to tell Ogre in which region of the opengl context to render? |
| 23:09.27 | Ralith | no |
| 23:09.50 | Ralith | in fact, Ogre appears to offers no mechanism by which to inform it about context position or dimensions >_> |
| 23:12.25 | mafm | mm, strange |
| 23:12.38 | Ralith | indeed |
| 23:13.21 | mafm | didn't work rendering Qt inside of Ogre, instead? |
| 23:14.15 | Ralith | this is immensely more practical |
| 23:14.54 | Ralith | using Ogre's window management stuff would mean abandoning all of Qt's handy crossplatform input/WM/etc code |
| 23:17.28 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35223 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CameraModeBlender.cxx CameraModeBlender.h): Adapted types for Qt. |
| 23:19.36 | mafm | maybe in Ogre forums/IRC can offer you a solution, did you try? |
| 23:19.44 | mafm | especially forums |
| 23:19.54 | Ralith | they have been spectacularly unhelpful for everything I've gone to them with so far |
| 23:21.45 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35224 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CameraModeOrbital.cxx CameraModeOrbital.h): Adapted types for Qt. |
| 23:26.22 | mafm | :/ |
| 23:26.40 | mafm | maybe Qt+Ogre is not a popular option, then |
| 23:31.50 | Ralith | er |
| 23:31.55 | Ralith | again, this has little to do with Qt |
| 23:32.01 | Ralith | the two don't directly communicate. |
| 23:32.14 | Ralith | there's actually been a lot of attempts to do this |
| 23:32.23 | Ralith | and the way I'm doing it is the cleanest it's been done yet |
| 23:42.57 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35225 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: basic point culling and lighting for dm-rtgl |
| 23:48.07 | Ralith | rtgl? |
| 23:52.27 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35226 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (5 files): Fixed miscellaneous accidental omissions and errors. |
| 00:16.02 | mafm | no idea really :/ |
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| 00:26.52 | mdavis | anyone home? |
| 00:29.12 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r35227 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/tracker.sh: updates to support latest changes to sourceforge |
| 00:30.14 | Ralith | mdavis: yup! |
| 00:30.53 | mdavis | i am struggling again |
| 00:31.00 | mdavis | using the displacement map |
| 00:31.07 | mdavis | i am getting invalid nmg on facetize |
| 00:31.35 | mdavis | on g-stl, i get : |
| 00:31.37 | mdavis | nmg_vface() face min_pt[0]:0 greater than max_pt[0]:0 |
| 00:31.41 | mdavis | min_pt(0 0 0) max_pt(0 0 0) |
| 00:31.43 | mdavis | Invalid NMG |
| 00:31.50 | mdavis | on facetize I get invalid region_a pointer or something |
| 00:33.14 | mdavis | i also get infinite loop errors (and crash) when doing the same shape but at a higher resolution |
| 00:38.05 | mdavis | that's a NULL region_a pointer |
| 00:40.07 | brlcad | hello mdavis |
| 00:40.18 | mdavis | hey |
| 00:40.32 | brlcad | Ralith: rtgl is a display manager interface being worked on by a summer student |
| 00:40.48 | brlcad | a display manager (dm) is what draws the 3d view in mged/archer |
| 00:41.08 | brlcad | he's making a dm that uses raytracing to render instead of just showing a wireframe |
| 00:41.39 | brlcad | mdavis: what version do you have? I recall having fixed that just last weekend iirc |
| 00:41.48 | Ralith | brlcad: ooh, cool! |
| 00:41.58 | mdavis | 7.14.8 |
| 00:42.39 | brlcad | mdavis: yeah, I'm pretty sure that's something that was very recently fixed (and it was for you if i'm not mistaken, from our last talk) |
| 00:43.00 | mdavis | wow..now that's service |
| 00:43.19 | brlcad | there was some work-around too, but would have to draw up the history |
| 00:43.41 | brlcad | what OS are you on? |
| 00:43.43 | mdavis | Let me see what's on the site |
| 00:43.51 | mdavis | I use suse 11.1 |
| 00:43.55 | mdavis | linux |
| 00:44.00 | brlcad | so then you're best bet is.. |
| 00:44.03 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 00:44.04 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 00:44.30 | brlcad | then, cd brlcad && sh autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-all && make && sudo make install |
| 00:45.08 | mdavis | wow |
| 00:45.12 | mdavis | can't wait to see what happens |
| 00:45.14 | brlcad | you can tweak the configure settings if you like, test releases usually have --prefix=/usr/brlcad/dev-7.14.9 as a configure option |
| 00:45.23 | mdavis | I've been struggling! |
| 00:45.30 | mdavis | thanks a lot! |
| 00:45.42 | brlcad | sure, let someone here know if you run into trouble |
| 00:46.29 | brlcad | but that Invalid NMG problem is certainly addressed |
| 00:46.43 | brlcad | yeah, on th e8th |
| 00:47.24 | brlcad | hits the road |
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| 01:18.27 | Ralith | oh shit! |
| 01:18.32 | Ralith | ogre randomly started rendering my sphere! :D |
| 01:18.51 | Ralith | and the projection mode switches seem to work :D |
| 01:19.07 | Ralith | as do the camera controls :D |
| 01:19.34 | Ralith | :D:D:D |
| 01:19.47 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35229 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (4 files): Working camera controls! |
| 01:22.47 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35230 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Fixed mousewheel handling for camera control input. |
| 01:23.12 | Ralith | numpad controls don't seem to work :/ |
| 01:42.56 | starseeker | Ralith: pics? |
| 01:43.28 | Ralith | starseeker: there's really not much to see; you'd have more fun building it yourself (and I'd *really* like for someone to do that, for testing purposes) |
| 01:43.36 | Ralith | but it's minimal effort, so okay |
| 01:45.06 | Ralith | mafm: I guess your camera code does some magic that make the render work as expected. |
| 01:46.23 | Ralith | starseeker: http://isitloadedyet.com/~ralith/sphere.png |
| 01:46.52 | Ralith | although it would appear that something's funky with the projection mode dropdown |
| 01:47.00 | Ralith | the default is somehow set incorrectly |
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| 02:11.33 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35231 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Got Ogre to fill the context with its background color. Clipping issues of some kind remain; the test sphere is invisible unless you pan it to the lower left, for example. |
| 02:16.35 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35232 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Fixed clipping issue. Somewhat hackish; should probably patch Ogre to do this instead. |
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| 02:24.31 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35233 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: better basic lighting performance |
| 02:30.31 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35234 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (MainWindow.cxx OgreGLWidget.cxx mainwindow.ui): Fixed the setting of the default projection mode and connected the camera mode dropdown to the relevant logic. |
| 02:31.40 | Ralith | okay, only remaining serious Ogre issue is aspect ratio tends to get kinda screwed by resizes |
| 02:31.54 | Ralith | which I could /probably/ hack, but this really should be in ogre |
| 02:45.58 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35235 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Replaced resize handling with a less hackish version that just calls Ogre. The aspect ratio, however, is still not correct. |
| 02:48.00 | Ralith | damn, wish mafm was still here |
| 02:56.47 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35236 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Fixed the aspect ratio! |
| 02:56.55 | Ralith | got it :D |
| 02:57.40 | brlcad | kudos! |
| 02:57.59 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 02:58.08 | Ralith | brlcad: it's now about 90% as functional as original g3d. |
| 02:58.22 | Ralith | keyboard camera controls aren't quite working yet |
| 02:58.25 | Ralith | and I may have forgotten something |
| 02:58.30 | Ralith | but otherwise it's all good :D |
| 02:58.53 | Ralith | I bet I can get antialiasing to work. |
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| 03:24.23 | Ralith | done! :D |
| 03:24.34 | Ralith | today was a very successful day. |
| 03:24.44 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35237 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Scrapped a useless constructor and got antialiasing working. |
| 03:25.39 | Ralith | I suppose that's code for you; snail's pace for weeks, then immense progress in just a few days. |
| 03:27.21 | louipc | you had an epiphany? |
| 03:28.28 | brlcad | Ralith: so what's it look like now? |
| 03:28.33 | Ralith | louipc: no, I just took a slightly different approachâstopped trying to cram Ogre and Qt into the same context. |
| 03:28.46 | Ralith | brlcad: sec. |
| 03:29.17 | louipc | you just gotta keep pluggin at it eh? |
| 03:30.17 | Ralith | yup |
| 03:30.45 | Ralith | brlcad: http://isitloadedyet.com/~ralith/ogre-cooperates.png |
| 03:31.04 | Ralith | once again, don't mind the "Current Frame" thing in the middle, that's my WM and my screenshot app not cooperating. |
| 03:31.14 | Ralith | note the antialiased edges :] |
| 03:35.37 | Ralith | keyboard input weirdness remains, but that's addressable |
| 03:36.06 | Ralith | and there's some oddness when rotating the view around the horizontal axis, but I think that was already in mafm's code. |
| 03:36.12 | Ralith | and shouldn't be hard to fix, since I think I know where it is |
| 03:37.38 | Ralith | an extra bonus is that after a bit of polishing I should be able to submit this code back to the Ogre world and solve the apparently common desire for Ogre+Qt |
| 03:38.09 | Ralith | in a reliable and portable fashion, no less. |
| 03:38.25 | Ralith | Of course, it would be much better if it could be made to render into the context properly. |
| 03:38.39 | brlcad | cool |
| 03:38.48 | brlcad | coming along great, nice progress! |
| 03:38.53 | Ralith | thanks ^^ |
| 04:15.46 | Ralith | hm. |
| 04:16.39 | Ralith | starseeker: I think I might have found another way to do the Qt-in-OpenGL thing |
| 04:17.09 | Ralith | maybe we can get the QGraphicsView to use an overlay context on Ogre's own context |
| 04:17.14 | Ralith | that should keep them from conflicting |
| 04:17.37 | Ralith | only issue is afaik QGraphicsView doesn't support anything that fancy, but it might not be hard to modify. |
| 04:17.44 | Ralith | I'll try to look into it. |
| 04:18.20 | Ralith | (see: overlays in http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qglwidget.html) |
| 04:19.14 | Ralith | also possibly http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/opengl-overpainting.html |
| 04:19.48 | Ralith | grabs food |
| 05:03.14 | dtidrow | has anyone remarked on the streaming audio for Apollo 11 on the NASA web site? |
| 05:03.43 | dtidrow | would be nice if they provide the whole thing for download sometime in the future |
| 05:05.19 | Ralith | a stream is a download dressed up to look silly |
| 05:05.28 | Ralith | just pipe it to disk |
| 05:06.52 | dtidrow | didn't know about it until this evening - they're streaming the whole mission |
| 05:07.23 | dtidrow | means I've alrealy missed half of it... |
| 05:08.21 | dtidrow | apparently started on Thursday, exactly 40 years after it really happened |
| 05:37.13 | Ralith | starseeker: I think that last link might be the key, especially if Qt widget drawing is done on top of QPainter, or a similar close association exists. |
| 05:37.22 | Ralith | which may well be the case. |
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| 10:15.22 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: re-ordered some class member initialization to quite compiler |
| 10:15.23 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: warnings |
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| 12:10.34 | starseeker | Ralith: yeah, that does look interesting. |
| 12:10.53 | starseeker | maybe the next thing to look at after you reach feature parity with old g3d? |
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| 13:38.25 | d-lo | brlcad: you in today? |
| 14:05.00 | brlcad | d-lo: yep |
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| 14:07.19 | d-lo | kk, a computer came in with your name on it. They were looking for signatures. |
| 14:25.19 | brlcad | you bought me a computer, aw how sweet thx |
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| 15:08.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35239 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: Parameterize the rest of the shared points. Again a small speed improvement, but the bulk of the time seems to be spent in the CurveTree code somewhere. |
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| 20:33.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35243 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/draw.c: Modified ged_drawtrees to not add objects to the display list more than once. |
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| 21:22.37 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35244 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: method now correctly finds the points along the edge of the surface |
| 21:33.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35245 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:33.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Start poking at the brep.cpp code (comments, cleanup), remove a couple EvNormals |
| 21:33.44 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: calls that shouldn't be needed with the pre-calculating being done. Note to |
| 21:33.48 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: self - need to update isFlat comments now that different trimming points are in |
| 21:33.50 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: place |
| 21:52.50 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35246 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Re-added bounding boxes, which are now the correct size and orientation, but not correct location. |
| 21:55.57 | starseeker | hmm - malloc is killing the performance on the shape1.s test - not sure why |
| 21:56.16 | starseeker | makes a note to figure out what he broke there, or if it's always been doing that... |
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| 23:24.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35247 10/rt^3/trunk/include/ (80 files in 14 dirs): |
| 23:24.11 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: revert back to double-underscores as single underscores are in use by some libc |
| 23:24.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: headers (e.g., bsd) and cause compilation errors if the filenames match a system |
| 23:24.15 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: header (e.g., time, object, string, date, image). doubles are also reserved for |
| 23:24.17 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: implementation use but far less encountered; alternative is no underscores. |
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| 00:05.12 | starseeker | Ralith: Question. IIRC, Stellarium uses overriding of the Qt drawing and has the widget draw opengl instead - would it be possible to do a similar override and have the widget output Ogre calls, (i.e. speak the same language the original in-Ogre toolkit did?) |
| 00:15.12 | starseeker | Ralith: I'm going to take a stab at building g3d - are there recent build instructions somewhere? |
| 00:16.34 | starseeker | hunts down nvidia-cg |
| 00:21.23 | starseeker | eyes src/other/uuid as it fails to build due to missing .h file... |
| 00:32.54 | Ralith | starseeker: I'm not sure how practical it is to instruct Ogre at such a low levelâI think the links I mentioned last night might bear investigation before that, especially considering the possibility of them integrating cleanly with the existing Qt hold. |
| 00:32.59 | Ralith | er |
| 00:33.00 | Ralith | code |
| 00:33.26 | starseeker | how do I build this sucker? Do the INSTALL instructions still hold? |
| 00:34.14 | Ralith | INSTALL instructions? |
| 00:34.24 | Ralith | old g3d is actually going to be broken now |
| 00:34.34 | starseeker | OK, how do I build your code? |
| 00:34.34 | Ralith | new g3d is a matter of cmake . && make ogretest |
| 00:34.43 | starseeker | will that build Ogre too? |
| 00:34.47 | Ralith | no. |
| 00:34.55 | starseeker | ... |
| 00:34.56 | Ralith | your OS should have a Ogre package |
| 00:35.10 | starseeker | I thought you stuck it in src other |
| 00:35.18 | Ralith | I did |
| 00:35.21 | Ralith | haven't done any buildsystem integration yet |
| 00:35.26 | starseeker | ah |
| 00:35.45 | Ralith | also, it may be advisable to simply use latest ogre trunk instead |
| 00:35.55 | Ralith | if you're going to be building it anyway. |
| 00:35.58 | starseeker | do you need ois? |
| 00:36.00 | Ralith | no. |
| 00:36.05 | starseeker | k |
| 00:36.05 | Ralith | hm |
| 00:36.11 | Ralith | cmake won't let you go on without it though |
| 00:36.16 | Ralith | I should probably scrap old g3d's buildsystem |
| 00:36.21 | Ralith | since I've broken it anyway at this point |
| 00:36.26 | Ralith | lemme do that |
| 00:36.29 | starseeker | nods |
| 00:36.45 | starseeker | starts Ogre building - on this machine, that'll be hours |
| 00:37.20 | Ralith | almost suggests binaries, but recalls that we depend on several tweaks not extant in the official builds |
| 00:38.34 | starseeker | this is gentoo - I do source :-P |
| 00:39.04 | Ralith | s/source/hours-long periods of impatience for every major install/ |
| 00:39.05 | Ralith | :D |
| 00:39.17 | starseeker | yeah, that too |
| 00:39.23 | starseeker | but, it's a good time to hit the gym |
| 00:39.29 | Ralith | seeya! |
| 00:39.38 | Ralith | will have cmake reworked before you're back. |
| 00:39.57 | starseeker | downloads the BZFlag FLOSS broadcast |
| 00:40.18 | starseeker | "Christopher "Sean" Morrison" for the free and open source tank game, BZFlag." |
| 00:40.25 | starseeker | http://twit.tv/floss78 |
| 00:40.31 | Ralith | no mention of BRL-CAD? |
| 00:41.05 | starseeker | we'll see :-) |
| 00:41.15 | starseeker | presumably bzflag has the wider audience right now |
| 00:41.24 | Ralith | regrettably true. |
| 00:43.47 | starseeker | notes Ogre uses FreeImage - which is GPL and FIPL... |
| 00:43.52 | starseeker | http://freeimage.sourceforge.net/license.html |
| 00:43.54 | starseeker | hrm |
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| 00:45.06 | Ralith | FIPL? |
| 00:45.33 | Ralith | if we do happen to decide to pass on ogre after all, that would certainly make the OpenGL/Qt issue easier. |
| 00:50.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35249 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CMakeLists.txt main.cxx main.cxx ogretest.cxx): Retargeted build system at new G3D exclusively. Mocha, RBGUI, and OIS are no longer necessary for build. |
| 00:57.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35250 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/INSTALL: Added a simple, minimal INSTALL file. |
| 01:04.57 | Ralith | hm, that's odd |
| 01:05.21 | Ralith | I just checked my soc account balance for the first time, and I've got $2,005 rather than $2,500 O.o |
| 01:09.46 | brlcad | actually, bzflag has a very similarly sized community, code base, devs, and google counts .. but is just a lot more well known :) |
| 01:10.21 | brlcad | starseeker: uuid might be my fault |
| 01:10.43 | Ralith | BRL-CAD has a community outside of its developers? |
| 01:10.47 | Ralith | I didn't know that >_> |
| 01:11.34 | Ralith | it occurs to me that, had we manpower to moderate and maintain, a web forum might help. |
| 01:11.51 | brlcad | there is a web forum :) |
| 01:11.55 | brlcad | it just sucks |
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| 01:12.09 | Ralith | the sourceforge forum doesn't count :P |
| 01:12.11 | brlcad | there's also a new one, but waiting for sf.net to work on data migration first |
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| 01:12.19 | Ralith | oh, cool |
| 01:13.26 | Ralith | that's odd; the 'Geometry' tracker is listed as having 3 items, but when I go to it it's shown as empty |
| 01:14.26 | brlcad | check your filters |
| 01:14.45 | Ralith | oh, those things are cached O.o |
| 01:14.48 | Ralith | that's... odd behavior |
| 01:15.42 | Ralith | goes looking for someone to complain to about the money thing. |
| 01:16.50 | Ralith | aaand the appspot site is down. |
| 01:27.32 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:27.34 | brlcad | it's a conspiracy! |
| 01:28.02 | Ralith | indeed. >_> |
| 01:29.12 | Ralith | oh cool! |
| 01:29.30 | Ralith | sourceforge modified itself such that you can directly wget download links and be correctly redirected! |
| 01:33.27 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35251 10/rt^3/trunk/include/uuid/ (uuid_vers.h uuidcpp.h): these probably belong over in src/other/uuid with the rest of their sources. revert the bad changes from r35247 that caught these in the mix. |
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| 02:13.35 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, that will be a problem down the road that we'll have to address before distributing |
| 02:13.59 | brlcad | freeimage can be disabled, though -- but you have to supply an alternate image loader |
| 02:14.20 | Ralith | can it use DeviL? |
| 02:14.22 | brlcad | --disable-freeimage --enable-openexr is probably the way to go |
| 02:14.45 | Ralith | recalls openexr having issues on FreeBSD |
| 02:15.19 | brlcad | it already uses devil too |
| 02:15.24 | brlcad | or can at least |
| 02:15.55 | Ralith | then I imagine it should be easy to swap in for freeimage |
| 02:16.02 | starseeker | considers disabling freeimage now - it's not working out of box... |
| 02:16.10 | Ralith | I *think* DeviL is more helpfully licensed. |
| 02:16.23 | starseeker | brlcad: are those arguments to cmake? |
| 02:16.27 | brlcad | its lgpl |
| 02:16.37 | brlcad | those are ogre build options |
| 02:16.43 | Ralith | starseeker: I don't think Ogre's cmake usage is stable yet |
| 02:16.48 | Ralith | use ./configure etc. |
| 02:16.54 | starseeker | oh |
| 02:17.20 | Ralith | imma go work on foods. |
| 02:17.22 | Ralith | good luck with ogre. |
| 02:17.34 | starseeker | hmm - did we not import the configure.ac file? |
| 02:17.46 | Ralith | possible, though I'd be surprised |
| 02:17.46 | starseeker | pulls trunk |
| 02:17.58 | Ralith | brlcad: I do wonder if Ogre is really worth all the trouble. |
| 02:18.26 | Ralith | especially considering that its intended targetâgamesâis not what we're doing. |
| 02:21.43 | brlcad | it's intended target is a render engine, no more no less -- just happens to be the gaming that is attracted to it the most |
| 02:22.02 | brlcad | we'd have the same if not more problems with pretty much any of the fully featured graphics engines |
| 02:22.32 | brlcad | ogre has the advantage of having a ton of momentum, an active community, great project leadership |
| 02:28.12 | Ralith | but do we *need* a fully featured graphics engine? |
| 02:28.44 | Ralith | the latest-and-greatest graphical effects are generally orthogonal to the problem of modeling, imo. |
| 02:29.07 | brlcad | we're not using it for effects |
| 02:29.13 | louipc | we need it for the simulations in the future :D |
| 02:29.42 | Ralith | brlcad: that's my point. Ogre's goals and our requirements don't seem terribly well aligned. |
| 02:29.44 | brlcad | at least it's certainly not a primary benefit |
| 02:29.58 | brlcad | their goals aren't just "effects" either .. |
| 02:30.52 | Ralith | I know, but they're certainly much more interested in e.g. support for highly realistic rendering than is necessary for our use. |
| 02:31.06 | brlcad | because they already do what we need them to do |
| 02:31.18 | starseeker | actually, highly realistic rendering can be nice for model visualization (e.g. product design) |
| 02:31.20 | brlcad | all that's left is "make it more pretty" |
| 02:31.26 | brlcad | you seem to be forgetting a core feature of a graphics engine .. |
| 02:31.33 | brlcad | good scene graph management |
| 02:31.38 | brlcad | they have that down |
| 02:31.46 | Ralith | I guess I'll take your word for that |
| 02:32.15 | Ralith | hopefully it will pay off once g3d starts displaying more than test spheres. |
| 02:32.22 | starseeker | it will |
| 02:32.27 | brlcad | it doesn't matter when you're displaying boxes and simple objects, but really starts to matter immensely with complex real-world geometries |
| 02:33.12 | brlcad | mged gets away with it "okay" simply because it only draws the wireframes, but even chokes out on that at times because it doesn't have scene graph management |
| 02:33.36 | brlcad | and makes "making it look good" nearly impossible without major restructuring (which amounts to implementing a graphics engine) |
| 02:33.48 | louipc | hmmm |
| 02:33.58 | Ralith | I'm also a bit put off by their emphasis on windows support, but I guess it's Good Enough on unixen. |
| 02:35.18 | starseeker | erm. Latest trunk checkout of ogre has neither configure.ac nor bootstrap in the top level... |
| 02:35.27 | Ralith | >_> |
| 02:35.27 | starseeker | wonders if they're moving over for real |
| 02:35.34 | Ralith | starseeker: latest trunk might be. |
| 02:35.45 | Ralith | last I checked was the same checkout that I committed |
| 02:35.50 | Ralith | could be they've got it stable now. |
| 02:36.04 | starseeker | looks for how to enable openexr and disable freeimage... |
| 02:36.21 | Ralith | starseeker: ccmake .? |
| 02:36.30 | starseeker | ah |
| 02:36.40 | starseeker | hasn't played with cmake in a while |
| 02:37.29 | Ralith | wonders how OSG compares |
| 02:38.01 | Ralith | eats. |
| 02:41.25 | starseeker | arrgh - they can disable freeimage but not enable anything else... |
| 02:42.10 | starseeker | gives it a whirl... |
| 02:43.59 | starseeker | Ralith: are the autotools build files in a lower directory? http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/rt%5E3/trunk/src/other/ogre/ |
| 02:50.02 | brlcad | notes http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc//rpms/ogre/F-7/ogre.spec?view=markup which disables freeimage and cg because of the license |
| 02:50.35 | starseeker | has to agree with cg but regrets the implications |
| 02:52.46 | starseeker | brlcad: what are our usage implications without cg turned on? |
| 02:52.46 | brlcad | haven't read them in detail, but don't believe cg is as much an issue |
| 02:52.52 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:52.53 | brlcad | they're more problematic for gpl codes |
| 02:56.39 | Ralith | starseeker: weren't you using trunk now? |
| 02:56.52 | starseeker | I've tried both |
| 02:57.00 | starseeker | building trunk now, with freeimage off |
| 02:57.17 | starseeker | hoping it does something sane, since I didn't see any option to explicitly enable openexr or devil |
| 02:57.58 | Ralith | if it got past cmake, they're either embarassingly negligent or it's taken care of. |
| 02:59.08 | starseeker | if the cmake system is unstable, they may not have gotten around to the second tier stuff... |
| 02:59.43 | Ralith | if they scrapped GBS when cmake was unstable then they're more than negligent. |
| 03:00.20 | starseeker | Ralith: am I nuts or is there no autotools stuff in our branch? |
| 03:00.49 | Ralith | there appears to be no autotools stuff in our branch. |
| 03:00.53 | Ralith | I wonder how that happened O.o |
| 03:01.12 | Ralith | thought I recalled it still being in use there. |
| 03:01.16 | Ralith | guess I'm misremembering |
| 03:01.33 | starseeker | does your Qt work require FreeImage right now? |
| 03:02.11 | Ralith | uh, I have no idea |
| 03:02.23 | Ralith | I certainly don't use it directly |
| 03:02.30 | Ralith | and I can't imagine depending on any ogre functions that depend on it |
| 03:02.40 | starseeker | guess we'll find out :-) |
| 03:26.17 | starseeker | welllll.... |
| 03:36.00 | starseeker | grrrrr |
| 03:36.06 | starseeker | it can't find any of the libraries |
| 03:36.16 | Ralith | -_- |
| 03:36.29 | Ralith | it really seems to have bad support for things which aren't the official windowsy visual studio packages |
| 03:38.46 | starseeker | ogre built and installed, and so did g3d, but it doesn't want to run... |
| 03:39.07 | Ralith | yeah, g3d's install process isn't really debugged at all |
| 03:39.09 | Ralith | what error? |
| 03:39.17 | starseeker | manually symlinked libs into /usr/lib, but still gets ./RenderSystem_GL. System Error: ./RenderSystem_GL.so: undefined symbol: _ZN4Ogre15ResourceManager6unloadEm in DynLib::load at /home/cyapp/cadtoplevel/brlcad/ogre/OgreMain/src/OgreDynLib.cpp (line 90) |
| 03:39.29 | Ralith | ah, that. |
| 03:39.50 | Ralith | I guess they never fixed their cmake scripts for nonwindows. |
| 03:40.04 | Ralith | iirc it's that error which made me mark them off as unstable in the first place |
| 03:40.32 | starseeker | is there a workaround? |
| 03:40.33 | Ralith | starseeker: what're the libs named, and where are they? |
| 03:41.04 | Ralith | are you sure you don't have an old ogre lying around? |
| 03:41.20 | starseeker | usual suspects - librt.so.19, libged.so.19, libbu.so.19, etc... |
| 03:41.29 | starseeker | yeah, pretty sure |
| 03:41.59 | Ralith | er |
| 03:42.01 | Ralith | the Ogre libs, I mean |
| 03:42.49 | starseeker | I don't think I have an old ogre |
| 03:42.58 | Ralith | what're the libs named? |
| 03:43.33 | starseeker | libOgreMain.so.1 |
| 03:44.14 | starseeker | and we can't work with ogre-1.6.2, correct? |
| 03:44.29 | Ralith | correct. |
| 03:44.34 | Ralith | what about the libs it's trying to load? :P |
| 03:45.25 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m24552681 |
| 03:45.46 | Ralith | not those ones |
| 03:45.51 | Ralith | the ones Ogre's trying to load at runtime |
| 03:47.04 | Ralith | ls /usr/lib/OGRE or w/e |
| 03:48.02 | starseeker | It's installed in /usr/local/lib/OGRE/ |
| 03:48.14 | Ralith | okay, what's the contents of that dir? |
| 03:48.36 | starseeker | Plugin_BSPSceneManager.so Plugin_OctreeZone.so RenderSystem_GL.so |
| 03:48.36 | starseeker | Plugin_CgProgramManager.so Plugin_PCZSceneManager.so cmake |
| 03:48.36 | starseeker | Plugin_OctreeSceneManager.so Plugin_ParticleFX.so |
| 04:00.16 | Ralith | hm |
| 04:00.18 | Ralith | that seems about right |
| 04:00.29 | Ralith | identical to my system, even. |
| 04:00.35 | Ralith | lemme update my Ogre and see if I don't encounter the same issue |
| 04:35.28 | Ralith | starseeker: how did you disable freeimage? |
| 04:36.01 | Ralith | oh wait found it |
| 04:36.46 | Ralith | builds |
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| 23:10.48 | Ralith | so what's with all these "X will be initialized after Y" warnings g++ is giving me from ctor initialization lists? Why is that warning-worthy? |
| 23:11.44 | Ralith | starseeker: also, latest ogre trunk works fine here. |
| 23:11.53 | Ralith | with freeimage disabled, even. |
| 23:11.55 | Ralith | perhaps something went amiss in your build. |
| 00:07.51 | mafm | Ralith: it's warning worthy because you might try to use X as argument to Y, for example |
| 00:08.16 | Ralith | okay, how do I get it to stfu? :P |
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| 00:26.57 | mafm | Ralith: if X is first in .h before, it should be initialized before in the constructor |
| 00:27.12 | Ralith | ah, declaration order. |
| 00:27.26 | mafm | there's probably a -Wno-something to quell it |
| 00:31.37 | Ralith | eh, I think -Wall is good practice. |
| 00:32.27 | mafm | you can use -Wall and -Wno* after that, to omit specific warnings |
| 00:32.51 | mafm | especially useful if the "fault" is on the libraries you use, not on your code |
| 00:33.46 | mafm | -Wall doesn't include all warnings despite the appearance, it omits some really low importance ones |
| 00:33.54 | mafm | such as unused parameters in methods |
| 00:35.09 | Ralith | actually, it includes that |
| 00:35.15 | Ralith | >_> |
| 00:38.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35254 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add some output options to bbsize, allow user to specify multiple objects and build the composite bounding box for all of them, add a man page |
| 00:42.59 | Ralith | pokes starseeker |
| 00:43.27 | starseeker | Ralith: saw your message |
| 00:43.31 | starseeker | odd |
| 00:43.43 | Ralith | maybe something changed between when you and I checked out trunk? |
| 00:44.01 | mafm | well, then there are others, enabled with -Wextra |
| 00:44.12 | starseeker | more likely my box - I run gentoo unstable so there may be an argument between versions or some such |
| 00:44.19 | starseeker | must run - gotta get home |
| 00:47.10 | Ralith | seeya |
| 00:47.16 | Ralith | <3 gentoo |
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| 01:28.56 | mike111 | Hi all |
| 01:31.44 | mike111 | I have a region. How do I find the area of the projection on the region on a plane, for example the x-y plane?. |
| 01:34.39 | Ralith | rtarea, maybe? |
| 01:35.30 | Ralith | mike111: yeah, I think rtarea is what you want. |
| 01:35.37 | Ralith | " rtarea - Calculate exposed and presented surface areas |
| 01:35.57 | mike111 | Hi Ralith, I can't see the command in Vol.II (MGED) |
| 01:36.03 | Ralith | it's not a mged command |
| 01:36.24 | mike111 | a raytracer? |
| 01:36.27 | Ralith | mged is the modeler. |
| 01:36.48 | Ralith | things like rt are available there mostly just as a convenience measure |
| 01:37.03 | Ralith | there are many, many BRL-CAD tools that are completely separate programs. |
| 01:37.06 | Ralith | rtarea is one of them. |
| 01:37.14 | mike111 | where is it documented? as a manpage? |
| 01:37.28 | Ralith | that's the docs I found, but there may be others |
| 01:37.33 | Ralith | I always check for manpages first |
| 01:39.20 | mike111 | Doing man area gives an `area' command in mged: Calculates an approximate presented area of one region in the mged |
| 01:39.20 | mike111 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.51 | Ralith | oh, cool |
| 01:42.54 | Ralith | didn't know about that |
| 01:43.07 | mike111 | for rtarea, how do I specify which projection I want? |
| 01:43.13 | Ralith | dunno |
| 01:43.25 | mike111 | I think `area' gives the surface area and not a projection. |
| 01:43.32 | Ralith | hang around, someone else probably knows |
| 01:46.59 | mike111 | thanks for the rtarea tip |
| 01:47.59 | Ralith | np |
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| 02:23.19 | starseeker | Ralith: where does g3d stash its temporary files? $HOME/.g3d? |
| 02:23.36 | starseeker | I'm thinking of the Ogre config stuff |
| 02:25.48 | Ralith | /usr/local/share/g3d right now, as bad a choice as that is |
| 02:26.42 | starseeker | nukes |
| 02:26.55 | starseeker | hmm - now I get GLX backdrop image not found: Warning |
| 02:26.55 | starseeker | Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion |
| 02:26.56 | starseeker | Error: Shell widget menu has zero width and/or height |
| 02:27.04 | starseeker | when trying to pick a renderer |
| 02:27.30 | Ralith | uh, that may be related to no freeimage |
| 02:27.34 | Ralith | lemme send you my ogre.cfg |
| 02:27.37 | Ralith | that'll make it skip the dialog |
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| 02:28.10 | starseeker | may as well put it on the wiki |
| 02:28.18 | starseeker | other folks may want to give it a whirl |
| 02:28.56 | Ralith | http://isitloadedyet.com/~ralith/ogre.cfg |
| 02:29.09 | Ralith | I need to modify things such that it picks a sane default instead of popping that dialog up anyway |
| 02:29.28 | Ralith | it'd probably break horribly if someone, say, set it to fullscreen or to use directx |
| 02:30.14 | Ralith | stick that in /usr/local/share/g3d |
| 02:31.59 | Ralith | any luck? |
| 02:32.10 | starseeker | grr - now it's back to |
| 02:32.11 | starseeker | Loading library ./RenderSystem_GL |
| 02:32.11 | starseeker | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Ogre::InternalErrorException' what(): OGRE EXCEPTION(7:InternalErrorException): Could not load dynamic library ./RenderSystem_GL. System Error: ./RenderSystem_GL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in DynLib::load at /home/cyapp/cadtoplevel/brlcad/ogre/OgreMain/src/OgreDynLib.cpp (line 90) |
| 02:32.17 | starseeker | Aborted |
| 02:32.27 | Ralith | ./? |
| 02:32.35 | starseeker | dunno |
| 02:32.51 | Ralith | is there an ogreplugins.cfg in the g3d dir? |
| 02:33.10 | starseeker | yes |
| 02:33.18 | Ralith | what's in it? |
| 02:33.28 | starseeker | # Defines plugins to load |
| 02:33.28 | starseeker | PluginFolder= |
| 02:33.28 | starseeker | Plugin=RenderSystem_GL |
| 02:33.28 | starseeker | Plugin=Plugin_OctreeSceneManager |
| 02:33.28 | Ralith | PluginFolder should be set to /usr/local/lib/OGRE |
| 02:33.30 | Ralith | ahah |
| 02:33.32 | Ralith | there's your problem. |
| 02:34.29 | starseeker | gets further now |
| 02:34.34 | starseeker | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Ogre::FileNotFoundException' what(): OGRE EXCEPTION(6:FileNotFoundException): Cannot locate resource sphere.mesh in resource group Autodetect or any other group. in ResourceGroupManager::openResource at /home/cyapp/cadtoplevel/brlcad/ogre/OgreMain/src/OgreResourceGroupManager.cpp (line 738) |
| 02:35.03 | Ralith | that's one of those 'make install not yet supported' issues. |
| 02:35.16 | Ralith | sphere.mesh should be somewhere in your ogre checkout |
| 02:35.18 | Ralith | copy it into the g3d dir |
| 02:37.06 | starseeker | /usr/local/share/g3d/sphere.mesh |
| 02:37.09 | starseeker | right? |
| 02:37.22 | Ralith | yup |
| 02:37.26 | starseeker | still can't find it |
| 02:37.39 | Ralith | is there a resources.cfg in there? |
| 02:37.44 | starseeker | Mesh: Loading sphere.mesh. |
| 02:37.44 | starseeker | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Ogre::FileNotFoundException' what(): OGRE EXCEPTION(6:FileNotFoundException): Cannot locate resource sphere.mesh in resource group Autodetect or any other group. in ResourceGroupManager::openResource at /home/cyapp/cadtoplevel/brlcad/ogre/OgreMain/src/OgreResourceGroupManager.cpp (line 738) |
| 02:37.48 | Ralith | it should contain: |
| 02:37.49 | starseeker | Aborted |
| 02:37.54 | Ralith | [General] |
| 02:37.54 | Ralith | FileSystem=/usr/local/share/g3d/ |
| 02:38.08 | starseeker | hmm - it's set to RBGui |
| 02:38.32 | Ralith | scrap it, drop in what I pasted |
| 02:38.40 | starseeker | yep, bing |
| 02:39.16 | starseeker | cool |
| 02:39.20 | Ralith | works? |
| 02:39.23 | starseeker | yep |
| 02:39.27 | Ralith | :D |
| 02:39.37 | starseeker | might want to fix those defaults... |
| 02:39.49 | Ralith | yeah |
| 02:39.51 | Ralith | just fixed two of them |
| 02:40.04 | Ralith | the plugindir thing and the resourcesdir thing |
| 02:40.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35255 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CMakeLists.txt: More build system improvements; installations should be somewhat less broken now. |
| 02:40.16 | Ralith | was there anything else that broke? |
| 02:40.34 | starseeker | don't think so |
| 02:40.46 | Ralith | kk |
| 02:40.48 | starseeker | might add the sphere.mesh to g3d install |
| 02:40.50 | Ralith | oh, the config file thing |
| 02:40.54 | starseeker | since we need it for now |
| 02:40.57 | starseeker | easy to get rid of |
| 02:42.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35256 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CMakeLists.txt: More build system cleanup, added autogenerate/install valid ogre.cfg. |
| 02:43.07 | mike111 | Hi all: mged hangs when I run `area' on a simple sphere region. any ideas? |
| 02:44.31 | starseeker | hmm - it's busted |
| 02:45.23 | starseeker | toss it in here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=105292&atid=640802 |
| 02:49.15 | mike111 | starseeker: is the SF link for me? |
| 02:49.42 | Ralith | starseeker: okay, taken care of. |
| 02:49.51 | Ralith | also switched to something prettier. |
| 02:49.55 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35257 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CMakeLists.txt OgreGLWidget.cxx knot.mesh): Changed test mesh to something more interesting, and added installation support for it. |
| 02:50.21 | Ralith | in *theory* installation should be working now. |
| 02:51.08 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35258 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/INSTALL: Updated INSTALL. |
| 02:56.31 | Ralith | the installation test didn't actually quite work for me, but I think that was because I have a debug version of Ogre installed? |
| 02:57.29 | Ralith | OGRE_PLUGIN_DIR_REL was set to NOTFOUND for some reason. Will worry about that later. |
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| 03:04.05 | KhadorMech | Hi I'm trying to get brl running on my leopard mac and I keep getting "bus error". Anyone know a work-around? |
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| 03:36.04 | starseeker | Ralith: got the same thing |
| 03:36.07 | starseeker | NOTFOUND |
| 03:36.15 | Ralith | hm, weird. |
| 03:36.34 | Ralith | lemme try updating the cmake module |
| 03:40.40 | Ralith | didn't do any good :/ |
| 03:41.02 | Ralith | oh wel, committing anyway 'cuz presumably ogre's improved it by now |
| 03:41.53 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35259 10/rt^3/trunk/cmake/ (FindOGRE.cmake FindPkgMacros.cmake): Updated OGRE's cmake module (and added some stuff from OGRE's impl. of FindPkgMacros) in the hopes of improving reliability across platforms. |
| 03:51.53 | Ralith | strictly this is an OGRE-side bug |
| 03:52.16 | Ralith | since it's their cmake module that's failing to find the stuff installed by their build system. |
| 05:26.26 | mike111 | I'm trying to run rtarea from the commandline using mged -c new.g "Z;E s1.r;top;rtarea" |
| 05:27.16 | mike111 | but getting: bu_log: write error |
| 05:50.28 | Ralith | wonders why he didn't just try running rtarea itself |
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| 12:11.40 | brlcad | Ralith: c++ initializes in the order declared, so when your initialization list doesn't match, it warns since you might be making some assumption about the order you listed |
| 12:11.58 | brlcad | doesn't matter for simple types, but especially if they're objects, you can get into bad juju |
| 12:13.06 | brlcad | the 'area' command gives projected/presented area, but just a rough approximation -- rtarea is the tool to use |
| 12:16.08 | ``Erik | totally awesome, I've gotten, like, NO mail at bz, but this morning, I get spam there. yayyyy |
| 12:16.25 | brlcad | he gets the bu_log write error because rtarea is async and mged terminates before rtarea finishes, yet it can't display the results because mged is gone |
| 12:18.06 | ``Erik | personally thinks that mged -c needs some significant attention... fixing async issues, choosing appropriate streams, etc |
| 12:19.02 | ``Erik | or; mged as a pipe tool needs attention, rather |
| 12:53.13 | ``Erik | the rotate issues I've been seeing on osX.5 are not choppiness, they seem to be that it's reading a mouse down and up and doing a zoom instead of seeing a mouse down and move to rotate |
| 12:53.20 | ``Erik | um, it zooms on mouse down |
| 12:53.37 | ``Erik | I imagine tk and apple X11.app are not playing nice |
| 12:54.04 | ``Erik | (this is on a macbook from november) |
| 13:00.24 | brlcad | ``Erik: my quick lookings seemed that it was some initialization problem on mged/libged's part |
| 13:00.53 | brlcad | as it works just fine when you first e an object, you can spin it around freely ... then once you zoom in/out, it's hosed |
| 13:01.21 | ``Erik | ok, what I was seeing, I think is related, so I'm sharing what little info I have so the people who will fix it are prepared |
| 13:01.42 | brlcad | thinks ``Erik is prepared to fix it ;) |
| 13:03.43 | ``Erik | fuck that shit, I called in sick today (stomach is bugging me) |
| 13:04.25 | ``Erik | felt awful green yesterday, went to a party on tuesday and wasn't used to the drinking and being around cigarettes and stuff |
| 13:04.35 | ``Erik | I got old. *sob* |
| 13:05.02 | d-lo | Got used to no poison and cleaner air eh? :) |
| 13:05.25 | ``Erik | well, different pollutions |
| 13:06.37 | ``Erik | d-lo, if you see the slavedriver or her minion, I wasn't able to get either by phone, nor the mathematicion. I left a VM for the boss, but a "hey, didja check your vmail?" shout would make me feel better? |
| 13:07.05 | d-lo | righto. |
| 13:07.09 | ``Erik | danke |
| 13:08.20 | ``Erik | iokit is a wreck :/ |
| 13:08.48 | ``Erik | wants to write a little program with a similar interface to batch that throw sigstop and sigcont signals based on cpu temp and/or fan speed |
| 13:09.17 | ``Erik | keep my lappy from smoking up during a rebuild of BRL-CAD :D without burning my knees |
| 13:11.29 | ``Erik | has to figure out http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d7958bdd before he can even look at mouse events |
| 13:12.40 | ``Erik | (interesting, I put my name in as "``Erik" in the pastebin, and it reads it as "Erik".... wonder what happens if my name is "`rm -rf /`" O.o |
| 13:14.49 | ``Erik | (and, uh, it has a spam problem now.) |
| 13:15.57 | d-lo | why are tyou trying to break the pastebin? |
| 13:17.09 | ``Erik | because if I break it, then we know it's breakable and we can fix it. If someone else breaks it, it's a bad day |
| 13:17.46 | ``Erik | spent too much time as a sysadmin, thinks that's why he was pushed towards the "test developer" roll on "that project" |
| 13:17.55 | ``Erik | role |
| 13:18.15 | d-lo | Sure. Right. I know you. Its pure Malice isn't it? |
| 13:19.12 | ``Erik | hey, man, at least I'm not so deviant that I'm cracking secured encyption keys and hijacking data streams for man-in-the-middle attacks on commercial proprietary software |
| 13:19.15 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:20.15 | ``Erik | <-- stickin' to the clasic ethos, just had a "hm, thats... interesting" moment, that's it :) |
| 13:20.40 | d-lo | riiiiiight. |
| 13:20.51 | d-lo | and its not commercial anymore :) |
| 13:22.38 | ``Erik | you'll either have to find a group of artists willing to commit and obey a common vision (EXTREMELY difficult if you don't have $'s), or run the risk of being a rogue bandit skirting the grey areas of the law :( |
| 13:23.31 | ``Erik | <-- used and was mortified by the whole bnetd situation, is gunshy |
| 13:24.16 | ``Erik | and the history of strategus... |
| 13:32.42 | brlcad | thinks he meant http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d7958fbdd |
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| 13:52.25 | ornitorrincos | ho louipc |
| 13:52.48 | ``Erik | no, opengl support is not going to give you shaded displays or anything that X won't do.. and generally X will do it better |
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| 13:53.19 | ``Erik | oh crap, they're ALL coming here O.o :D *duck* |
| 13:53.28 | pro-rsoft | Hehe |
| 13:53.38 | ``Erik | (srry, been pimping) |
| 13:54.53 | ``Erik | so, yeah, not detecting opengl is not all that bad of a thing, we can figure out how to make it work, but it's not a show stopper |
| 13:55.30 | ornitorrincos | just curious if it was normal or I had something broken |
| 13:55.51 | ``Erik | um, if you're using linux, it SHOULD be detected |
| 13:56.07 | ``Erik | do you have the mesa dev stuff on? |
| 13:56.14 | ornitorrincos | then I probably have something broken |
| 13:56.17 | ``Erik | GL.h GLU.h etc? |
| 13:56.40 | pro-rsoft | you mean GL/gl.h |
| 13:56.49 | ``Erik | er, yeah, it's been a while |
| 13:57.09 | ``Erik | we had ogl support back to when it was irisgl and a propritary sgi thang |
| 13:57.23 | ``Erik | proprietary |
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| 13:57.47 | brlcad | mornin' elena |
| 13:57.54 | elena | hi. |
| 13:58.04 | elena | how are you? |
| 13:58.09 | brlcad | great! |
| 13:58.17 | elena | I was hopping to catch one of you around. |
| 13:58.30 | ``Erik | is a square, sorry |
| 13:58.30 | elena | i'm working on conversion. |
| 13:58.31 | brlcad | busy day and slow start to it at that, but starting to get the juices flowing |
| 13:59.03 | elena | :) |
| 13:59.06 | ornitorrincos | ``Erik, yes those headrs I ahve them, checked with louipc |
| 13:59.43 | elena | are then any particular formats we want to support more than others. |
| 13:59.45 | elena | ? |
| 14:00.09 | ``Erik | ok, our ogl check starts on configure.ac:1364 |
| 14:00.48 | ``Erik | looking for libGL.so libGL2.so and libGL.dylib |
| 14:01.18 | brlcad | elena: yeah, .g :) |
| 14:01.23 | ``Erik | with minor hackery around the mac tardedness |
| 14:02.04 | elena | ok. but from what to g? |
| 14:02.12 | elena | dxf for example? |
| 14:02.32 | brlcad | followed by the more complex formats, namely iges and dxf for starters |
| 14:02.41 | elena | ok. |
| 14:02.42 | elena | thanks. |
| 14:02.46 | ``Erik | are you looking for a prioritized list of import formats? |
| 14:02.54 | elena | yes. |
| 14:02.57 | brlcad | if you want, you could just support anything we have a g-* for |
| 14:03.18 | ``Erik | *-g you mean |
| 14:03.22 | elena | i did a list for that. |
| 14:03.23 | brlcad | right |
| 14:03.24 | elena | yes. |
| 14:03.40 | elena | but for now, only with *-g and g-* |
| 14:03.50 | elena | because i need sample files to test. |
| 14:04.07 | ``Erik | but I don't think we have any document saying that "yes, we have alpha-g and beta-g, but if you have both, we'd prefer beta-g to carry geometry better" |
| 14:04.11 | elena | and I get those samples by converting from g to that format (offline) |
| 14:04.39 | ornitorrincos | libGL.so is present |
| 14:05.02 | ``Erik | um, I made a csv in src/conv/ a while back, but it's not sorted... might be nice if someone sorted it by preference? |
| 14:05.28 | ``Erik | orn: can you paste the ogl fail to a pastebin? we have pastebin.bzflag.bz :) |
| 14:09.47 | brlcad | elena: you can also find samples of most formats pretty easily by using google with the file-type keyword |
| 14:09.58 | elena | ACAD and EUCLID don't have a specific file extension? |
| 14:10.07 | ornitorrincos | umn |
| 14:10.12 | elena | i know about filetype:pdf, doc and stuff. |
| 14:10.12 | ornitorrincos | ok, who has telekinesis |
| 14:10.25 | louipc | heheh |
| 14:10.25 | brlcad | yea, like "filetype:dxf sample" |
| 14:10.36 | elena | dxf is simple. |
| 14:10.42 | elena | how about euclid? |
| 14:11.08 | ornitorrincos | louipc, now the damn opengl works |
| 14:11.11 | brlcad | lesse.. there suffix doesn't match their name like the others iirc |
| 14:11.18 | louipc | ornitorrincos: haha! ok cool |
| 14:11.44 | louipc | I preferred using openGL because X is too slow for me |
| 14:11.53 | louipc | ogl uses hardware accel and stuff |
| 14:11.58 | brlcad | (modern euclid that is) |
| 14:12.06 | louipc | but it seems to have refresh problems or something now |
| 14:12.26 | elena | thank you. for dxf, google search is a good idea. |
| 14:12.47 | elena | when i'm finished, i could it those to test some real examples. |
| 14:12.52 | ornitorrincos | and the irc log finished a few lines after I posted the error in pastebin |
| 14:13.26 | ``Erik | louipc: really? gl lines are awful slow, usually X is a lot faster :/ the whole bus transfer issue, y'know? do you have a smoking video card on a craptacular cpu? |
| 14:14.19 | elena | e.g like Erik's 8-core? |
| 14:14.29 | elena | ;) |
| 14:14.36 | louipc | ``Erik: kind of |
| 14:14.43 | ``Erik | I'm home today, just a 2 core macbook here :) |
| 14:15.02 | louipc | I run a pIII 866 MHz |
| 14:15.57 | ``Erik | that is a bit behind the curve.. but *shrug* my first two machines were measured in khz |
| 14:16.32 | ``Erik | and one of these days, I'll get around to making a vax 780 with 43bsd available on a web interface so people can experience BRL-CAD 4.x in its glory |
| 14:16.40 | ``Erik | simh++ |
| 14:17.10 | ``Erik | when things like clear or ls take a few seconds, that's nutty stuff :D |
| 14:17.20 | louipc | it's good to run old hardware, you can catch performance issues more easily ;D |
| 14:17.40 | ornitorrincos | ``Erik, for that you can do ssh over a slow connection ;) |
| 14:18.07 | ``Erik | heh, a few jobs ago, I was doing java code in a small shop, my choice hardware for development was a dual p133 with scsi's, the amd 450 was for video games :) |
| 14:18.37 | elena | :-) |
| 14:19.16 | ``Erik | DEC prioris, made an awesome coffee table... and it showed two penguins on boot O.o |
| 14:22.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35260 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/g-egg.c: make the vertex id unique to the file. Eliminate trailing whitespace. Etc. |
| 14:24.08 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35261 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtie/tie_kdtree.c: panic mode for silliness. |
| 14:24.37 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35262 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/prep.c: irrelevent slot. |
| 15:03.27 | d-lo | is it brlcad vs the servers again today? |
| 15:05.04 | brlcad | brlcad vs monthly reports and other business mail matters |
| 15:05.21 | d-lo | ah... the fun stuff :) |
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| 15:16.30 | ``Erik | if you don't get the release out in time, I can push it while ya'll are out throwing beads at the pretty girls, just make sure ya bring back pics |
| 15:17.27 | ``Erik | (ya knew that, but I won't bitch any more than normal) |
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| 17:00.14 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35263 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtie/tie_kdtree.c: Fixed typo. |
| 17:16.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35264 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/bbsize.xml: This is only a placeholder so that the build completes. The real file is coming. |
| 17:28.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35265 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libdm/Makefile.am libdm/dm-rtgl.c tclscripts/mged/mview.tcl): turned z-clipping on by default for dm-rtgl |
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| 18:19.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: adds the Jiggle get approximate intersection points closer to each other using |
| 18:19.07 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: newtonesque methods also adds an additional macro in vmath.h Project which |
| 18:19.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: decomposes a vector into components parallel and perpendiculur to a given vector |
| 18:33.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35267 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/erase.c: Removed a few unused variables. |
| 18:38.48 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35268 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/draw.c: Mod ged_addToDisplay to check if name is already in the list. If so, return the associated gdlp. |
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| 19:06.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35270 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added code to redraw anything associated with the object being edited if it's currently being drawn. |
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| 21:18.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35271 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/ (brlcad.inc brlcad.module): Moved PHP-BRLCAD interface in separate file (brlcad.inc) and implemented file conversions. |
| 21:28.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35272 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm-rtgl.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): coloring with region material colors |
| 21:55.04 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35273 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/expand.c: This is a follow-on from the previous commit (i.e. return only database entries that match the pattern(s)). This handles the case where the pattern has no wildcards. |
| 21:57.44 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35274 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/Command.tcl: Added tab completion to the Command widget. |
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| 01:01.31 | mike111 | hi all |
| 01:02.12 | Ralith | hello |
| 01:02.21 | mike111 | hi Ralith. |
| 01:02.36 | Ralith | 05:17:14 < brlcad> the 'area' command gives projected/presented area, but just a rough approximation -- rtarea is the tool to use |
| 01:02.39 | Ralith | 05:20:17 < ``Erik> totally awesome, I've gotten, like, NO mail at bz, but this morning, I get spam there. yayyyy |
| 01:02.42 | Ralith | 05:20:33 < brlcad> he gets the bu_log write error because rtarea is async and mged terminates before rtarea finishes, yet it can't display the results because mged is gone |
| 01:03.00 | Ralith | mike111: see above. |
| 01:03.02 | mike111 | Thanks, saw that when I just checked the log. |
| 01:03.21 | mike111 | any solution? I need to save the rtarea output into a file. |
| 01:04.06 | Ralith | solution to what? |
| 01:04.39 | mike111 | I'm trying to run rtarea from the commandline using mged -c new.g "Z;E s1.r;top;rtarea" |
| 01:04.55 | mike111 | but getting bu_log: write error |
| 01:05.03 | mike111 | that's the async thing brlcad mentioned. |
| 01:05.15 | Ralith | mike111: you're hitting the exact same problem he mentioned, too. |
| 01:05.20 | Ralith | don't use mged. |
| 01:05.21 | Ralith | use rtarea. |
| 01:06.12 | mike111 | but how do I set the correct view without mged? rtarea calculates the area of `projected/presented area', that is, you need to set the direction from which you view the object. |
| 01:06.40 | Ralith | play with it and find out? |
| 01:06.59 | Ralith | wait for someone who knows? |
| 01:07.00 | mike111 | man rtarea doesn't say anything about setting the view angle. |
| 01:07.15 | Ralith | that's why I said "play with it", rather than "read the manpage." |
| 01:07.21 | mike111 | that's why I'm on the channel again today ;) |
| 01:07.35 | Ralith | I suggest playing with it while waiting. |
| 01:08.49 | mike111 | do you know what's the difference between arced and oed? |
| 01:09.01 | Ralith | nope |
| 01:09.05 | Ralith | mged's help command might. |
| 01:09.17 | mike111 | Wasn't clear to me from reading the manual. |
| 01:09.30 | mike111 | seems like I can modify an object's attribute with either. |
| 01:09.37 | starseeker | mike111: you might try saveview inside mged and editing the generated script to call rtarea rather than rt |
| 01:10.16 | Ralith | perhaps rtarea accepts the same options as rt? |
| 01:10.26 | Ralith | much in the way that X apps tend to all accept the same X options? |
| 01:11.24 | starseeker | appears to |
| 01:11.37 | Ralith | mike111: then, see man rt for how to set the view. |
| 01:12.20 | starseeker | tried it, and it looks like it worked: set up the desired view in mged, type saveview script.sh, edit script.sh to call rtarea rather than rt (probably want to delete the -o line and the redirect to a log, unless you want the rtarea output in a log file) |
| 01:13.19 | mike111 | thanks Ralith and starseeker :) will try that |
| 01:14.29 | mike111 | rtarea isn't an mged command so it's not in vol.II. Is there a manual for all such non-mged commands or at least a list of such commands? |
| 01:15.16 | Ralith | ls /path/to/brlcad/bin |
| 01:15.21 | Ralith | :P |
| 01:15.59 | starseeker | mike111: our documentation is far from comprehensive - first thing to try is brlman commandname |
| 01:18.07 | starseeker | Ralith: probably adding a screenshot of the g3d window with the knot to your log - the wiki does support images, IIRC |
| 01:18.38 | Ralith | starseeker: you mean, I probably should? |
| 01:18.46 | Ralith | yeah, sounds like a good idea |
| 01:18.53 | Ralith | needs to sit down for half an hour at some point and bring his log up to date |
| 01:23.53 | starseeker | glares at g-vrml, g-stl, and friends |
| 01:24.03 | starseeker | or more specifically, the tesselation routines behind them |
| 01:37.14 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35275 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: Tweak the isFlat comments |
| 01:42.10 | mike111 | is there a way to find the surface area of an object and not the area of a projection? |
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| 02:06.37 | brlcad | mike111: no, not presently, at least not a good way that doesn't involve heavy scripting/coding |
| 02:07.25 | mike111 | the manual (Vol.II) mentions `analyze' but it only applies to arbs? |
| 02:07.34 | brlcad | right |
| 02:08.01 | mike111 | will `analyze' work on an ars? |
| 02:09.06 | brlcad | mike111: to run rtarea like you wanted, instead of running it inside mged, instead run "saveview -e rtarea whatever.rt" in mged, and then run ./whatever.rt |
| 02:09.16 | brlcad | no, analyze only works on arb8s |
| 02:10.19 | mike111 | thanks for the rtarea tip. I'm now playing with a bash scripting to change a `saveview' script. |
| 02:10.52 | brlcad | "help saveview" has a few other options |
| 02:11.00 | brlcad | for logging output, inputs, etc |
| 02:11.13 | mike111 | will check that. |
| 02:11.15 | mike111 | what's the difference between arced and oed? |
| 02:11.44 | brlcad | you want to use oed and not arced ;) |
| 02:12.11 | brlcad | arced is an old command intended for animation manipulation/articulation |
| 02:12.20 | mike111 | I read the manual about oed but Vol.II mentions arced which seems to do same. |
| 02:12.40 | mike111 | OK. It's oed then ;) |
| 02:12.44 | brlcad | huh, a bit surprised vol II would mention it.. |
| 02:13.13 | brlcad | i mean it'll do the trick, but oed is really the one to use -- whole tutorial on the site dedicated to explaining just that command in detail with lots of example |
| 02:13.47 | mike111 | arced is in p.157-158 |
| 02:14.02 | mike111 | that's the manual I read. easy to follow. |
| 02:27.02 | starseeker | oed doc is here: http://brlcad.org/w/images/3/36/Object_Editing_-_the_oed_Command.pdf |
| 02:29.49 | mike111 | starseeker: thanks, that's the manual I mentioned above. |
| 02:30.58 | starseeker | makes a stab at playing with C++ list push_back options and makes things worse... yech |
| 02:31.27 | starseeker | ok, better to get some sleep and try with > 0.5 of brain tomorrow |
| 02:34.52 | Ralith | nite! |
| 02:39.47 | brlcad | Ralith: starseeker: all the rt* apps accept the same options as 'rt' -- if they have specialized options, they're '-c"set VAR=value"' options (man rtedge for examples) |
| 02:40.00 | Ralith | cool, suspected as much |
| 02:40.04 | Ralith | that explains the sparse manpage |
| 02:40.30 | brlcad | also why saveview has a -e option, to specify another rt to exec instead |
| 02:42.12 | Ralith | cool! |
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| 13:22.06 | rnkv2 | hi |
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| 14:08.49 | brlcad | hello rnkv2 |
| 14:08.52 | rnkv2 | could you help me with this problem: http://pastebin.com/m6f3d1b53 (it is the end of my compilation log) |
| 14:09.07 | brlcad | can't get to pastebin.com |
| 14:09.10 | brlcad | ~bzpaste |
| 14:09.30 | brlcad | use, http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ instead please |
| 14:09.38 | rnkv2 | sure |
| 14:09.46 | brlcad | ~bzpaste is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 14:09.46 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 14:10.32 | louipc | rnkv2: looks like you need mesa |
| 14:11.12 | rnkv2 | brlcad, it messed up, give me a moment please |
| 14:11.29 | rnkv2 | (checking if i have mesa) |
| 14:12.15 | rnkv2 | mesa-7.3-r1 here |
| 14:12.23 | louipc | debian/ubuntu? |
| 14:13.28 | louipc | may need mesa-dev then. Hmm I don't know what version is needed though. I have 7.5 |
| 14:14.05 | rnkv2 | gentoo here |
| 14:14.17 | rnkv2 | media-libs/mesa-7.3-r1 exactly |
| 14:14.37 | rnkv2 | ok, i will check for newest |
| 14:15.05 | louipc | check if you have those functions |
| 14:15.34 | rnkv2 | could you provide ma hint how should i do that? |
| 14:16.00 | louipc | maybe `man glDeleteLists` |
| 14:16.41 | louipc | that only says if you have the man page though hehe |
| 14:16.54 | rnkv2 | the same here :) |
| 14:21.08 | louipc | rnkv2: it's there yeah? |
| 14:21.24 | rnkv2 | brlcad, here you go: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m25df21 |
| 14:21.53 | rnkv2 | no, it says that there is no such man page :( |
| 14:21.54 | louipc | yeah try updating to latest version, post your full log |
| 14:22.16 | louipc | rnkv2: oh ok. that might be a bad sign |
| 14:22.26 | louipc | rnkv2: you don't have -docs USEFLAG do you? |
| 14:22.42 | rnkv2 | i think i don't have |
| 14:22.59 | louipc | ok |
| 14:23.52 | louipc | hmm mesa 7.3 isn't that old |
| 14:24.13 | rnkv2 | i have 'doc' flag in system and it's switched of globaly |
| 14:24.21 | rnkv2 | off* |
| 14:25.54 | rnkv2 | btw what is the difference between http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ and http://pastebin.com ? |
| 14:26.36 | louipc | I guess brlcad's company doesn't let him visit pastebin.com |
| 14:27.16 | rnkv2 | thanks for explaining |
| 14:27.18 | louipc | pastebin.com can get kind of slow though |
| 14:35.45 | rnkv2 | what about libdrm? which version is needed? |
| 14:35.56 | rnkv2 | mine is libdrm-2.4.5 |
| 14:36.46 | louipc | hmm no idea |
| 14:37.26 | rnkv2 | ok, installing media-libs/mesa-7.5-r2 |
| 14:37.55 | rnkv2 | and libdrm-2.4.12 as dependency |
| 14:38.36 | louipc | hehe that's what I have |
| 14:39.12 | louipc | do you have libgl? |
| 14:41.57 | rnkv2 | still checking... |
| 14:43.52 | rnkv2 | louipc, with which ebuild it comes? |
| 14:45.23 | rnkv2 | mesa compiled, trying to compile brl-cad |
| 14:46.45 | louipc | rnkv2: not sure. `locate libGL.so` |
| 14:48.16 | rnkv2 | usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 14:48.18 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so |
| 14:48.19 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 14:48.21 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 14:48.22 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so.96.43.11 |
| 14:48.24 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so |
| 14:48.25 | rnkv2 | /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 14:51.42 | rnkv2 | my brlcad configuration: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d24c9bd9f |
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| 15:20.44 | rnkv2 | with new mesa and libdrm i got exactly the same error |
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| 16:37.33 | rnkv2 | ok, next approach - I recompiled xorg-server and nvidia-drivers |
| 16:38.04 | rnkv2 | compling brlcad |
| 17:23.40 | rnkv2 | still the same error |
| 17:28.34 | jdoliner | sry I missed your original msg where you said what the error was |
| 17:28.38 | jdoliner | ming repeating? |
| 17:29.00 | rnkv2 | sure, let me paste it again |
| 17:29.17 | rnkv2 | here it is: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m25df21 |
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| 17:31.15 | rnkv2 | jdoliner, any idea what is wrong? |
| 17:32.19 | jdoliner | did autogen and configure work w/o a hitch? |
| 17:33.42 | rnkv2 | tail of my brl-cad configuration: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d24c9bd9f |
| 17:33.58 | rnkv2 | what do you mean by w/o ? |
| 17:34.03 | jdoliner | without |
| 17:34.27 | rnkv2 | there was some warnings |
| 17:35.07 | rnkv2 | do you want me to place it all on pastebin? |
| 17:35.40 | jdoliner | yeah if you don't mind |
| 17:35.51 | rnkv2 | sure, please wait |
| 17:38.28 | jdoliner | okay I think you're missing a library |
| 17:38.32 | jdoliner | let me figure out which one it is |
| 17:39.15 | jdoliner | what do you have in the way of opengl? |
| 17:39.48 | rnkv2 | could you rephrase it? |
| 17:41.51 | jdoliner | are you using linux? |
| 17:42.08 | rnkv2 | jdoliner, i'm not native english speaker and I don't get the 'in the way of' phrase |
| 17:42.09 | jdoliner | that's not a rephrasing |
| 17:42.16 | rnkv2 | yes, i'm using gentoo |
| 17:42.38 | jdoliner | k |
| 17:43.41 | jdoliner | do the command: `glxinfo' |
| 17:43.41 | jdoliner | and paste me to output |
| 17:45.08 | rnkv2 | here you go: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6439682e\ |
| 17:45.15 | rnkv2 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6439682e |
| 17:47.37 | rnkv2 | and here is a complete configuration log http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6a8a8c0f (I added all warnings at the end) |
| 17:54.50 | jdoliner | okay it looks like you're missing your gl C bindings |
| 17:55.55 | jdoliner | line 411: |
| 17:55.56 | jdoliner | checking for OpenGL library availability... no |
| 17:56.32 | rnkv2 | any idea how I make repair that? |
| 17:56.40 | jdoliner | yeah you need to get mesa |
| 17:56.49 | jdoliner | is I think the best solution |
| 17:57.07 | jdoliner | i'm just checking exactly what it is I have here |
| 17:57.12 | rnkv2 | i updated today to media-libs/mesa-7.5-r2 |
| 17:57.33 | rnkv2 | and still there is a problem |
| 17:58.44 | jdoliner | hmm |
| 17:59.16 | rnkv2 | i recompiled after that xorg-server and nvidia-drivers |
| 18:00.13 | jdoliner | well I'll keep looking but let's get sean in here because he know more than me |
| 18:00.20 | jdoliner | brlcad |
| 18:00.31 | jdoliner | are you around someone could use your help |
| 18:13.08 | rnkv2 | brb |
| 18:13.16 | rnkv2 | reboot |
| 18:13.49 | jdoliner | k |
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| 18:17.31 | rnkv2 | back |
| 18:19.41 | jdoliner | im kind of out of ideas |
| 18:19.50 | jdoliner | sean will be able to help you for sure |
| 18:21.23 | rnkv2 | thanks jdoliner :) |
| 18:23.02 | rnkv2 | i rebooted and now there is now problem about nvidia in glxinfo |
| 18:24.03 | rnkv2 | i cannot wait to see how this software is working :) |
| 18:28.34 | brlcad | rnkv2: you don't need opengl, what's the issue? |
| 18:28.58 | brlcad | it'll work fine with just X11 bindings |
| 18:29.14 | rnkv2 | still the same error, i cannot finish compilation |
| 18:29.57 | brlcad | what's the error? |
| 18:30.44 | brlcad | the gl errors? |
| 18:30.46 | rnkv2 | brlcad, http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m25df21 |
| 18:30.57 | brlcad | yeah, is this an svn build? |
| 18:31.03 | rnkv2 | yes |
| 18:31.10 | brlcad | are you up to date? |
| 18:31.28 | brlcad | svn up |
| 18:31.29 | rnkv2 | i downloaded it yesterday morning |
| 18:31.57 | brlcad | that doesn't answer the question :) |
| 18:32.08 | brlcad | except hint at "probably not" ;) |
| 18:32.47 | rnkv2 | brlcad, so what are you suggesting? svn export https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk source ? |
| 18:33.09 | brlcad | did you export the first time or checkout? |
| 18:33.16 | rnkv2 | export |
| 18:33.19 | brlcad | ah, you shouldn't export |
| 18:33.24 | brlcad | not if you're pulling trunk |
| 18:33.33 | brlcad | one of our new display managers was left enabled for a few hours yesterday, which uses opengl |
| 18:33.45 | brlcad | if you'd just done a checkout, you could now "svn up" and it'd work |
| 18:33.52 | brlcad | now you can checkout again, though |
| 18:34.15 | rnkv2 | ok, i will checkout it |
| 18:53.35 | rnkv2 | now configuring and compiling |
| 19:02.11 | brlcad | suggest --enable-all |
| 19:02.15 | brlcad | but not critical |
| 19:03.03 | rnkv2 | if current compilation would not work then i will try it |
| 19:03.35 | rnkv2 | thank you for helping :) |
| 19:07.54 | brlcad | np |
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| 19:13.45 | brlcad | howdy pacman87 |
| 19:13.54 | brlcad | how goes school? settling in? |
| 19:36.01 | rnkv2 | brlcad, the compilation was successful :) i've got only an error when i tried to install- 'make install' wants to install some components at /usr/lib/ (like for example /usr/lib/Tkhtml3.0) - is there a way to install everything in user space (/home/brlcad) ? |
| 20:12.54 | starseeker | rnkv2: tkhtml3 is a bit of a problem child in that respect |
| 20:13.33 | starseeker | on some platforms it seems those makefiles insist on /usr/lib |
| 20:14.19 | rnkv2 | i set now ./configure --prefix=/home/brlcad/usr --exec-prefix=/home/brlcad so we will see what it will bring |
| 20:14.42 | brlcad | did you set prefix the first time? |
| 20:14.57 | rnkv2 | only --prefix=/home/brlcad/usr |
| 20:15.39 | brlcad | then shouldn't exec-prefix be /home/brlcad/bin already? :) |
| 20:15.55 | brlcad | you'll probably have better luck just editing the Tkhtml Makefile |
| 20:16.41 | brlcad | src/other/tkhtml3/Makefile and src/other/tkhtml3/src/Makefile .. see if there's a /usr/ or /usr/lib reference in there |
| 20:17.01 | rnkv2 | there was created /home/brlcad/usr/bin, /home/brlcad/usr/lib etc with the first configuration |
| 20:17.13 | rnkv2 | sure, thanks for hints |
| 20:20.01 | rnkv2 | i run some other projects in user spaces and it's really convenient when you need to debug it or clear and try again, and it's also more secure when the software is working online |
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| 20:24.26 | brlcad | rnkv2: we actually default install isolated into /usr/brlcad |
| 20:24.31 | brlcad | for that same reason |
| 20:25.11 | brlcad | the /usr/lib thing is just a tkhtml build file bug of some sort |
| 20:26.33 | rnkv2 | brlcad, but how someone may easily uninstall brl-cad from /usr/brlcad (and eventual other parts of system) ? |
| 20:39.44 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35279 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/vmath.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): adjusted z-clipping when using z-buffer |
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| 21:14.30 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1579 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 24 |
| 21:15.32 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1580 10/wiki/More_Changelog: /* July 7 - Today */ |
| 21:21.34 | rnkv2 | brlcad, it seams that './configure --prefix=/home/brlcad/usr --exec-prefix=/home/brlcad' did the job. I haven't noticed problems with tkhtml3 |
| 21:21.53 | rnkv2 | i was able to lunch brl-cad |
| 21:21.56 | rnkv2 | :) |
| 21:23.53 | rnkv2 | thanks for all the help you all :) |
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| 19:58.48 | KhadorMech | Hello. Anyone here using BRL on a mac? |
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| 02:18.08 | mike111 | hi all |
| 03:09.08 | brlcad | hello |
| 03:15.39 | mike111 | hi brclad, how r u? |
| 03:21.02 | brlcad | i'm doing great |
| 03:21.20 | brlcad | at least better than last week ;) |
| 03:21.30 | mike111 | that's good :) . |
| 03:22.37 | mike111 | Does g-stl accept any other units than mm or inches? |
| 03:22.51 | Axman6 | brlcad: problems last week? |
| 03:36.53 | brlcad | mike111: no, the intent there is really just to provide a metric or standard file, not really unit support |
| 03:37.11 | brlcad | Axman6: no matter, just issues |
| 03:37.29 | Axman6 | well, i hope they're all sorted :) |
| 03:37.42 | brlcad | not yet, but hopefully |
| 03:37.44 | mike111 | I thought so. I've got a model in meters, but g-stl exports in mm so the model becomes 1000 larger |
| 03:38.36 | brlcad | mike111: you can set the units in mged before running g-stl and it'll fix that |
| 03:38.50 | brlcad | then set it back |
| 03:39.31 | mike111 | not sure what you mean. I build the model in m units. |
| 03:39.44 | brlcad | I know |
| 03:39.51 | brlcad | i mean if you open the .g file, type |
| 03:40.15 | brlcad | 'units mm', run g-stl, then back to mged and run 'units m' .. it should work fine |
| 03:41.33 | mike111 | if I built the model in meters and then switch to mm mged doesn't scale the model to keep the original size (before units changed)? |
| 03:42.15 | brlcad | nope |
| 03:42.38 | brlcad | the units command just sets the working units, what you want to work with |
| 03:43.00 | mike111 | but sometimes it is easier to work with different units on the same model. |
| 03:43.40 | brlcad | exactly why you can work in mm for a while, switch to 'in' for a particular set of parts, back to "m", put in in a scene being modeling in "ft", etc... |
| 03:43.44 | mike111 | from what you're saying I need to convert everything to the same units otherwise mged will scale the entire model everytime I switch units |
| 03:43.55 | brlcad | no no no |
| 03:44.13 | brlcad | i'm saying you need to run the "units" command |
| 03:44.14 | brlcad | run it |
| 03:44.17 | brlcad | see what it does |
| 03:44.21 | brlcad | it doesn't scale |
| 03:44.28 | brlcad | it just sets the working units |
| 03:45.24 | brlcad | so if you made a 1000x1000x1000 box with "units mm" (the default) .. then type "units m", it'll display as 1x1x1 |
| 03:45.50 | mike111 | then g-stl would still convert an object of 1m length to 1000mm example |
| 03:45.52 | brlcad | which is to say that it didn't scale anything, just changed the working units such that when asked to display that box (which already exists), it displays using those working units |
| 03:46.07 | brlcad | smacks forehead |
| 03:46.13 | brlcad | you're still not getting it :) |
| 03:46.20 | brlcad | set the units to mm |
| 03:46.31 | brlcad | then what you have is exactly what g-stl is assuming you have |
| 03:46.49 | brlcad | no scaling |
| 03:46.55 | brlcad | just different presentation of values |
| 03:47.33 | brlcad | re-read what I suggested and try it: 'units mm', run g-stl, then back to mged and run 'units m' |
| 03:47.45 | mike111 | sure. I'll try that later. |
| 03:47.54 | brlcad | check the value of your objects, you'll see they don't change |
| 03:47.59 | brlcad | they just display with whatever units you set |
| 03:48.13 | mike111 | another question: what's the difference between `sca' and `oscale'? |
| 03:48.15 | brlcad | g-stl doesn't really care about units, it just looks at the value |
| 03:49.30 | brlcad | history, subtle differences -- no practical difference |
| 03:49.51 | brlcad | oscale is intended to be used with object-edit mode, which only applies to combinations |
| 03:51.56 | mike111 | I'm using `sca' with oed, but the manual also mentions `oscale'. |
| 03:52.55 | brlcad | oscale should go away |
| 03:53.23 | mike111 | thanks for clarifying that. :) |
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| 09:10.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35290 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CameraMode.cxx CameraMode.h): Replaced broken vertical rotation limits with smooth wraparound. |
| 09:16.01 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35291 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CameraModeBlender.cxx: Added rotation limit fix to CameraModeBlender, including changes to prevent horizontal rotation overflow. |
| 09:21.12 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35292 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (4 files): Applied rotation limit/overflow fix to CameraModeMGED and cleaned up earlier tweaks. |
| 09:24.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35293 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CameraMode.cxx: Added a forgotten but all-important negation that prevents circularIncrement from becoming incredibly overenthusiastic. |
| 09:26.31 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35294 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CameraMode.cxx: Doubled correctional offsets in circularIncrement to prevent pervasive view jumping. |
| 09:29.48 | Ralith | that's weird. |
| 09:30.17 | Ralith | the view jumps a ton when vertical rotation crosses Ï/2 |
| 09:39.10 | Ralith | +/- pi/2, that is |
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| 09:44.16 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35295 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CameraMode.cxx: Simplified some code in the continuing effort to remove the viewjump at a vertical rotation of +/-pi/2 |
| 09:59.47 | Ralith | hm |
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| 11:28.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1584 10/wiki/Main_Page: Bloody spammers :/ |
| 11:31.06 | d-lo_ | Mernin all. |
| 11:40.45 | d-lo | Spammer are stupid. Does anyone really pay attention to spam anyways? |
| 11:43.52 | archivist | yes all the wiki cleaners |
| 11:44.25 | archivist | lock the main page down |
| 11:45.43 | archivist | on my wiki I protect any spammed pages,to stop the buggers from using the same page again |
| 11:46.17 | d-lo | well, the brlcad wiki isn't mine to admin :) |
| 11:48.49 | Ralith | sup d-lo! |
| 11:48.53 | Ralith | I actually caught you! |
| 11:48.55 | Ralith | :D |
| 11:50.03 | d-lo | hides. |
| 11:50.16 | d-lo | Thing are going well I see :) |
| 11:50.29 | Ralith | reasonably. |
| 11:50.46 | Ralith | it's a shame the OpenGL embedding thing didn't work out as well as planned. |
| 11:50.55 | Ralith | but, fortunately, it should be hard to tell the difference. |
| 11:51.09 | Ralith | and there is yet hope for getting it working later on. |
| 11:51.27 | d-lo | Perhaps in time, after a few iterations, you (or someone) will find the key to making the embedded openGL approach work. |
| 11:51.44 | Ralith | I can't work out what's going on with the camera angle such that it flips around every time yaw hits +/- pi/2 though :/ |
| 11:52.05 | Ralith | cleaned up mafm's camera code a good bit looking for it, but no luck yet. |
| 11:52.21 | d-lo | I had a thought this weekend: Since pictures speak a thousand words, why don't you start dropping a medium-rez SS or two on your wiki status log ;) |
| 11:52.41 | Ralith | yeah, I'll do that |
| 11:53.00 | Ralith | about right when I get around to catching up on the log messages themselves >_> |
| 11:53.05 | d-lo | as for the camera, how are you controlling it? |
| 11:53.15 | Ralith | I was able to reuse all mafm's camera control code, fortunately |
| 11:53.28 | Ralith | just had to swap out the OIS related code for its Qt equivalents |
| 11:54.03 | Ralith | and just tonight I fixed keyboard input, so camera control works exactly the same as in original g3d; three selectable modes which each interpret kb/mouse input differently. |
| 11:54.04 | d-lo | good deal. But even after that swap, there are still that eqn problem? |
| 11:54.10 | Ralith | eqn? |
| 11:54.14 | d-lo | equation |
| 11:54.17 | Ralith | O.o |
| 11:54.18 | Ralith | wat? |
| 11:54.26 | d-lo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.38 | Ralith | yeah |
| 11:54.46 | Ralith | that's something that was always in mafm's code |
| 11:55.04 | d-lo | so are you feeding the camera an angle? |
| 11:55.13 | Ralith | I thought I knew what was causing it (there was some arbitrary limits and weird math and special handling of yaw) but scrapping all that didn't help. |
| 11:56.02 | Ralith | uh, lemme check the code |
| 11:56.16 | d-lo | CameraManager ? |
| 11:56.54 | Ralith | no, not using that |
| 11:56.55 | Ralith | CameraMode |
| 11:57.15 | Ralith | looks like we're passing a SceneNode to OgreCamera::setPosition |
| 11:57.47 | Ralith | lemme see if there's a less indirect approach to that. |
| 11:59.36 | Ralith | okay, got something. |
| 11:59.55 | d-lo | Side note: curious. There is a definition for a Vector in the CameraMode class. Pretty sure thats been defined somewhere in the orge suite. :) |
| 12:00.06 | Ralith | not to mention in BRL-CAD. |
| 12:00.10 | Ralith | it's a low priority cleanup issue. |
| 12:00.20 | d-lo | i figured :) |
| 12:02.46 | Ralith | this is weird |
| 12:03.05 | Ralith | it's like mafm wasn't expecting the camera to track it's own position/orientation O.o |
| 12:04.18 | Ralith | oh, I think I see why; rotation *around* a point. |
| 12:04.48 | d-lo | are you referring to the fields inside CameraMode? |
| 12:05.11 | Ralith | no, the complexity of the code from L134-L168 |
| 12:05.45 | Ralith | still, I'm pretty sure there's a cleaner way to do this... |
| 12:07.03 | d-lo | ah, okay. Yeah, the code that is executed once _actionPan is checked against SimpleVector(0,0,0). |
| 12:07.11 | d-lo | *agreed* |
| 12:07.40 | d-lo | I think a breakout of that code into more logical internal functions would pretty much solve the problem. |
| 12:08.38 | d-lo | outside of the Camera pan issue, how else are things going? |
| 12:08.51 | Ralith | I dunno, it's pretty tempting to rework a good chunk of the class from the conceptual level |
| 12:09.05 | Ralith | get it proper support for continuous/instantaneous forms of all movements |
| 12:09.17 | Ralith | pretty good; Qt's a pleasure to work with |
| 12:09.30 | d-lo | I say go for it, depending on how long it will take. |
| 12:09.33 | Ralith | I'm pretty close to strapping mafm's command system into the GUI |
| 12:09.37 | d-lo | Qt = goodness :) |
| 12:09.39 | Ralith | shouldn't be long, unless the math trips me up |
| 12:09.40 | Ralith | yeah |
| 12:09.46 | Ralith | I didn't have that high expectations going in |
| 12:09.51 | Ralith | but DAMN it makes things convenient. |
| 12:10.15 | Ralith | the UI designer app's great, too, and cmake's solid support for the whole stack tops things off nicely. |
| 12:10.37 | Ralith | being able to go from the designer to code and then easily access that code from the implementation is great. |
| 12:13.29 | d-lo | Now, are you sucking in the UI file through cmake directly? |
| 12:13.33 | Ralith | yep |
| 12:13.39 | d-lo | nice. |
| 12:13.55 | Ralith | you edit the UI file, cmake notes the edit time change and reruns uic before the next build. |
| 12:14.03 | d-lo | I was messing around with QT a while ago and the Designer used to have a 'generate code' function... I think they took that out :/ |
| 12:14.04 | Ralith | metaobject handling is the same. |
| 12:14.12 | Ralith | they moved it into a separate tool |
| 12:14.19 | Ralith | now you just run 'uic blah.ui' |
| 12:14.26 | Ralith | and get ui_blah.h |
| 12:15.32 | Ralith | perhaps the most encouraging part of working with Qt was how easy it seems to be to create specialized widgets |
| 12:15.44 | Ralith | as you might've noticed, I made the primitive console its own widget |
| 12:15.53 | Ralith | *very* straightforward |
| 12:16.02 | Ralith | and the doc's are a dream, too. |
| 12:16.07 | Ralith | docs're* |
| 12:18.03 | d-lo | Good stuff man. I gotta get workin now :/ Keep up the good work. You've got good momentum, keep it up :) |
| 12:18.22 | Ralith | kk |
| 12:18.27 | Ralith | seeya next time I'm up way too late ^^ |
| 12:18.48 | d-lo | hah, late == early :) |
| 12:26.52 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35296 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (5 files): Initial attempt at re-integrating command support. Uncertain success. |
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| 14:05.23 | mafm | d-lo: the Vector definition probably it's just a storage of x and y values, not a full blown class with operations and stuff |
| 14:07.26 | mafm | about the strangeness (180 degree turn) it happens when looking from zenithal view or something |
| 14:07.52 | mafm | due to something like the value of the function (cos, sin, whatever) changing sign |
| 14:09.06 | mafm | you can add a simple check to avoid that artifact if you want, but IIRC the must-have camera modes (mged and blender) were working mostly as expected |
| 14:09.29 | mafm | probably with some advanced functionality missing |
| 14:09.43 | mafm | but well, it's just a matter of extending it |
| 14:10.12 | mafm | other camera modes (orbital/continuous) were a bonus |
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| 14:59.14 | d-lo | mafm: I figured that SimpleVector was a 'quick n dirty,' just was wondering why it hadn't been replaced yet, thats all :) And its a full 3D vector. |
| 15:02.37 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35298 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 15:02.38 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Corrected a problem with bounding boxes being placed on the wrong side of the body |
| 15:02.40 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: when being made. |
| 15:04.50 | mafm | d-lo: well yes, it's 3d, but it's only storage with 1 operation: http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CameraMode.h?revision=35292&view=markup |
| 15:04.59 | mafm | not nearly as complex as Ogre's |
| 15:05.28 | d-lo | right :) I get that :) |
| 15:05.31 | mafm | maybe I hadn't used brlcad includes by then |
| 15:07.01 | d-lo | no big deal. I was just skimming over the code and noticed that. |
| 15:09.03 | mafm | what I mean is that the idea is to have a lightweight way to pass 3 float coordinates for panning and the like contained in one class (parameter), instead of having to instantiate a full vector class with all of the associated operations |
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| 15:47.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35299 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm-rtgl.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): sorting points by color for faster OpenGL drawing |
| 16:43.52 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r1585 10/wiki/Main_Page: |
| 16:57.00 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03IRPGuardian 07http://brlcad.org * r1586 10/wiki/User:IRPGuardian: |
| 16:59.11 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35300 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): |
| 16:59.13 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: improve the opengl header tests (which were not working correctly on Mac OS X |
| 16:59.15 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 10.4) to go through AC_CHECK_HEADER instead of being custom AC_COMPILE_IFELSE |
| 16:59.17 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: tests. opengl functionality tests occur later on. set GL_CPPFLAGS instead of |
| 16:59.19 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: GL_CFLAGS for the header search paths to be consistent/pedantic. |
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| 17:52.50 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35301 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: Added functionality to find starting points for curve intersections |
| 18:04.35 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35302 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/get_obj_bounds.c: Fixed a small memory leak. |
| 18:58.59 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35303 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: unpush rears its head once again, now with an sf tracker (2826720 from victor). additional thought is to allow object creation as part of the unpush in order to retain matrix-less parents. |
| 19:01.52 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35304 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 19:01.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: another repeat offender, the ability to really easily checkpoint/backup a .g |
| 19:02.06 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: file while editing it via some sort of archive/backup command. something near |
| 19:02.14 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: equivalent to an external cp file.g /path/to/backup/dir/file_20100427_021800.g |
| 19:02.18 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: with automatic date and timestamping. |
| 19:04.27 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35305 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: consider option to reid/remat/edcodes and potentially others to ignore negative regions |
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| 19:27.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35306 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: add file input support to mv/mvall commands so you can feed them mapping files. this relates to sf request 2827957 |
| 19:29.30 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35307 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/prep.c: The rt_prep_parallel routine was returning without releasing RT_SEM_RESULTS in a few places. This was causing a hang in Cliff's bbsize. |
| 19:31.59 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35308 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Add Bob's rt_prep_parallel fix to news file. |
| 19:34.52 | brlcad | that's not exactly a user news line |
| 19:35.25 | brlcad | should be worded from the user's perspective, not the code |
| 19:36.11 | starseeker | ok |
| 19:37.26 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35309 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Tweak news file. |
| 19:39.20 | brlcad | ah, and that clarifies even more.. :) not a news line |
| 19:39.28 | brlcad | pre-release bug catch |
| 19:42.22 | starseeker | so, no news item? |
| 19:42.33 | starseeker | make_bb would also have triggered it |
| 19:42.57 | brlcad | yeah, then it's a fix for make_bb |
| 19:43.11 | brlcad | remember the last commit comment is the one that gets pulled for the report |
| 19:43.51 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35310 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Tweak news file some more. |
| 19:43.57 | starseeker | oh, whoops |
| 19:43.59 | brlcad | ah yeah, the "expand capabilities" line is another |
| 19:44.37 | brlcad | not user visible until it's released, and that is encompassed by the first line |
| 19:45.02 | starseeker | ok, I'll clear it |
| 19:45.47 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35311 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bbsize is already mentioned as a new command, don't need extra NEWS line. |
| 19:53.48 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35312 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 19:53.51 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Human model mostly fits into bounding boxes when in the standing position now. |
| 19:53.53 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Rotation matrix is still throwing things off when limbs are moved, causing bounding |
| 19:53.55 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: boxes to be rotated around some other point other than the point center. |
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| 20:13.15 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35313 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/Makefile.am: move DM_RTGL_* into the WITH_OPENGL block. |
| 20:23.36 | Ralith | mafm: there's no overhead to additional member functions. |
| 20:24.08 | Ralith | you could use the most advanced linalg class available, and if its data was just three coords it'd be just as lightweight :P |
| 20:24.38 | Ralith | mafm: and yeah, all the camera modes basically work great; I just want to have it *completely* working. |
| 20:27.03 | Ralith | mafm: and yeah, it happens precisely on the zenith, or its reflection around the horizontal plane. Any tips as to *where* the simple check goes? I've fiddled around in several places to no avail. |
| 20:59.08 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35314 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm-rtgl.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): starting to add support for point heirarchy |
| 20:59.43 | brlcad | ack.. moved DM_RTGL on me |
| 20:59.48 | brlcad | no wunda |
| 20:59.50 | ``Erik | mwahaha |
| 21:00.21 | ``Erik | two of my primary builders weren't seeing GL, so I was getting slews of unresolved symbol glEnable() etc |
| 21:01.06 | brlcad | he accidentally committed it enabled for about a day, probably stale build |
| 21:01.35 | brlcad | i just finished adding a proper --enable-rtgl option for it, was mid-testing |
| 21:02.00 | ``Erik | full autogen cycle didn't pick it up *shrug* but coulda been stale... |
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| 21:02.38 | ``Erik | has done so much nonproductive bs crap today, was itching to get a build so he could code again O.o |
| 21:02.55 | ``Erik | fix email access, catch up on email, fill out paperwork and forms out the wazoo, etc |
| 21:09.32 | ``Erik | mmm, finally, a good debugging stack. *sigh* |
| 21:12.12 | Ralith | brlcad: wait, where's OpenGL come in on rtgl? |
| 21:12.17 | Ralith | I thought it was just the raytracer? |
| 21:12.32 | mafm | Ralith: I think that when you create an object of type Blah vs Vector3, the amount of memory that you reserve is different, and things like that |
| 21:12.44 | brlcad | Ralith: it's both |
| 21:12.51 | Ralith | mafm: no, not if it's just a matter of additional member functions. |
| 21:12.56 | brlcad | it uses raytracing to find the surfaces, then uses opengl to display them |
| 21:13.00 | Ralith | brlcad: oh, cool! |
| 21:13.15 | mafm | in this case maybe Ogre::Vector3 doesn't inherit from other classes and so on, but still, you have to include the file and all of it's includes, and you spend more time compiling every time |
| 21:13.50 | Ralith | mafm: building an include file doesn't take much time, and chances are it's already included somewhere else anyway. |
| 21:14.09 | Ralith | not to say that you did badly there or anything |
| 21:14.12 | Ralith | but just fyi. |
| 21:14.21 | Ralith | brlcad: how far along is it? |
| 21:14.33 | brlcad | pretty far, it looks awesome |
| 21:14.37 | Ralith | :D |
| 21:14.52 | Ralith | after SoC I'd like to have a go at stapling it onto g3d |
| 21:15.08 | Ralith | not sure how it'd be made to interact with ogre, though |
| 21:15.36 | brlcad | it'll be a little tricky, but interesting idea |
| 21:15.47 | brlcad | it might be easier to merely staple libdm into g3d |
| 21:15.54 | brlcad | as it is a dm interface |
| 21:16.10 | brlcad | i.e. it'd be a different 3d view renderer instead of ogre |
| 21:16.17 | Ralith | that would be pretty easy. |
| 21:16.30 | Ralith | judging from past experience wrt. adding new Qt widgets |
| 21:16.53 | mafm | well, I decreased compiling times by more than 50% in many projects (not mine) just by removing includes |
| 21:16.57 | mafm | your mileage may vary |
| 21:17.29 | Ralith | I guess the challenge would really be how to keep all the displays sync'd |
| 21:17.41 | mafm | http://www.brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/CameraMode.cxx?revision=35295&view=markup -> the camera thingy is here in vertical rotation, IIRC |
| 21:17.41 | Ralith | such that you can swap from one to another and still have all the same stuff visible, same perspective, etc. |
| 21:17.56 | Ralith | mafm: yeah, I know it's in there, but *where* in there? |
| 21:17.58 | brlcad | Ralith: you wouldn't use ogre, you'd use libdm instead of ogre |
| 21:18.02 | brlcad | different render manager |
| 21:18.03 | mafm | when passing some limit pi/2, or 0, or something like that |
| 21:18.03 | Ralith | brlcad: yes, I know |
| 21:18.24 | Ralith | wait |
| 21:18.39 | Ralith | brlcad: so to get Ogre, I'd just write a libdm interface for Ogre? |
| 21:18.54 | Ralith | mafm: no, I already scrapped all that with some code that handles overflow and wraps properly. |
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| 21:21.15 | mafm | c (3.141592/2.0+0.01) |
| 21:21.17 | mafm | -.008 |
| 21:21.18 | mafm | c (3.141592/2.0-0.01) |
| 21:21.20 | mafm | .011 |
| 21:21.31 | Ralith | ? |
| 21:21.36 | mafm | I think that when changes sign, the direction of the vector changes |
| 21:21.46 | Ralith | when what changes sign? |
| 21:21.49 | Ralith | the direction of what vector? |
| 21:21.51 | mafm | so it looks backwards instead of forwar |
| 21:22.05 | brlcad | Ralith: you still seem to be missing the "libdm instead of ogre" part ;) |
| 21:22.14 | Ralith | brlcad: so, scrapping Ogre entirely? |
| 21:22.19 | brlcad | not scrapping |
| 21:22.32 | Ralith | you were regaling me the other day with how valuable Ogre's optimizations would be O.o |
| 21:22.33 | brlcad | i'm saying you could make it a build-time option to use libdm or use ogre |
| 21:22.37 | Ralith | oh. |
| 21:22.39 | Ralith | that's no fun :P |
| 21:22.41 | brlcad | if you use libdm, you got classic mged displays |
| 21:22.48 | Ralith | rtgl's no classic display |
| 21:22.49 | brlcad | if you use ogre, you get the new stuff |
| 21:23.04 | brlcad | it is in the sense that it's just another libdm interface |
| 21:23.09 | brlcad | you do one, you have them all |
| 21:23.13 | brlcad | it's a pretty simple interface |
| 21:23.20 | mafm | Ralith: do you understand how the camera mode class works, in general? |
| 21:23.28 | Ralith | brlcad: I guess a compiletime option would be acceptable until the BREP-based solution shows up, then? |
| 21:23.35 | Ralith | which could be integrated with Ogre properly? |
| 21:23.41 | Ralith | mafm: I'm pretty sure I do |
| 21:23.48 | brlcad | Ralith: you could certainly integrate what's there with ogre |
| 21:23.55 | brlcad | it just is kinda funky that way |
| 21:24.07 | Ralith | brlcad: I could? Ogre doesn't seem to take well to manual OpenGL calls. |
| 21:24.19 | mafm | the camera is in some point in an sphere of variable radius around the target |
| 21:24.25 | brlcad | so don't make manual opengl calls .. and I think that was more something you were doing wrong :) |
| 21:24.48 | Ralith | probably, but the point stands that it's outside what Ogre's designed to accept. |
| 21:25.09 | mafm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.20 | brlcad | it's not, ogre has point-cloud visualization -- just don't know if it'd perform nearly as well as what it's doing by hand |
| 21:25.35 | brlcad | it basically is just a massive point cloud getting generated |
| 21:25.46 | Ralith | it doesn't wrap a surface around it? |
| 21:25.55 | brlcad | still, it'd be way more useful to integrate libdm instead of ogre, even better to have both run-time toggleable |
| 21:26.12 | Ralith | that's what I was thinking of originally :P |
| 21:26.24 | brlcad | that's not what you said |
| 21:26.27 | Ralith | it would probably be pretty easy to do so, if, as I mentioned, the state tracking could be worked out. |
| 21:26.32 | brlcad | that doesn't involve putting libdm *into* ogre still |
| 21:26.47 | brlcad | it doesn't involve ogre at all really, just swaps between one or the other |
| 21:26.47 | Ralith | that's also not what I said :P |
| 21:27.00 | brlcad | 17:18 < Ralith> brlcad: so to get Ogre, I'd just write a libdm interface for Ogre? |
| 21:27.11 | Ralith | brlcad: as in, have Ogre be a libdm *client* |
| 21:27.18 | Ralith | in the same position as rtgl. |
| 21:27.32 | Ralith | but I was actually referring to before that confusion. |
| 21:27.41 | brlcad | that would defeat most of the benefits ogre brings to the table |
| 21:27.46 | Ralith | ah. |
| 21:28.26 | brlcad | it'd work fine if you had some concept of an abstract graphics display class with one specialization using ogre and another using libdm |
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| 21:28.57 | Ralith | yeah |
| 21:29.00 | Ralith | thus that being where the work lies. |
| 21:36.27 | Ralith | brlcad: how far along is the brep stuff, anyway? |
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| 21:44.26 | Ralith | pokes mafm |
| 21:45.10 | Ralith | mafm: calling lookAt gives the camera a set of coordinates; negative values just mean negative coords. |
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| 21:45.32 | Ralith | mafm: the place the camera's looking at shouldn't even modified by the yaw. |
| 21:46.41 | Ralith | and if the camera was looking backwards, it wouldn't be able to see the object :P |
| 21:47.05 | mafm | I never managed to grasp the meaning of yaw, etc |
| 21:47.13 | mafm | but imagine that your head is the camera |
| 21:47.46 | mafm | when you're behind an object almost at the zenith, and you cross the zenith, your head would be heading downwards |
| 21:48.48 | mafm | what this camera/head does is to rotate, so your head is always up |
| 21:48.48 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35315 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CameraMode.cxx Console.cxx Console.h): Another apparently effectless simplification of CameraMode and failed attempt to enable console signalling. |
| 21:48.48 | Ralith | mafm: ahhhh. |
| 21:48.48 | Ralith | that makes sense! |
| 21:48.48 | Ralith | thanks. |
| 21:48.48 | Ralith | it modifies the roll. |
| 21:48.48 | mafm | when you pass the zenith you rotate, so the head continues to be "upright" instead of heading downwards |
| 21:48.58 | Ralith | I guess... that's actually desired behavior then, isn't it O.o |
| 21:49.20 | mafm | it was, yes |
| 21:49.28 | Ralith | not always, though |
| 21:49.32 | Ralith | it's certainly not how blender handles things |
| 21:49.36 | mafm | the orbital mode was "invented" by me, didn't try to emulate any other program |
| 21:49.44 | Ralith | this isn't orbital mode |
| 21:49.46 | Ralith | this is *all* modes |
| 21:50.04 | Ralith | (I do love how smooth the view moves in orbital, though ^^) |
| 21:50.31 | mafm | well, let's say that I started with orbital since it's the more comprehensive |
| 21:50.39 | Ralith | nods |
| 21:50.45 | Ralith | I'll twiddle things and see where it goes |
| 21:50.46 | mafm | I didn't care of that weird thing at that point |
| 21:51.02 | mafm | but it turns out that it's a bit strange when happens for the rest of the modes |
| 21:51.06 | Ralith | now that I understand *why* it's doing that, at least conceptually, I should be able to ferret it out. |
| 21:51.28 | mafm | I mean, it's not designed to be specifically at that way, just that I didn't bothered changing it |
| 21:51.32 | Ralith | yeah |
| 21:52.56 | mafm | and IIRC was in one of the parameters of rotation (horz or vert) in the transition at the zenith |
| 21:53.10 | Ralith | parameters of rotation? |
| 21:53.45 | mafm | horzRot, vertRot |
| 21:54.09 | mafm | the variables which hold the position of the camera, having center as base |
| 21:54.36 | Ralith | those are floats; they don't have parameters... |
| 21:55.31 | mafm | well, the right word for you would be "orbital/spherical coordinates", instead of parameters :D |
| 21:55.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35316 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Console.cxx Console.h): Working command input! :D |
| 21:55.52 | Ralith | mafm: oh, you mean "it occurs when vertRot passes the zenith?" |
| 21:55.56 | Ralith | yeah, I noticed that |
| 21:55.57 | Ralith | that is |
| 21:56.01 | Ralith | I noticed the magic value |
| 21:56.05 | Ralith | didn't realize its significance |
| 21:56.46 | mafm | yes, something like that |
| 21:57.22 | mafm | so the check would be to detect the transition and modify the resulting value |
| 21:57.59 | mafm | "when Blah was almost at zenith in past frame and now is past zenith, do whatever" |
| 21:58.55 | Ralith | well, that would have to refer to M_PI |
| 21:59.08 | mafm | maybe you don't have to save state between frames, just compare if the past value of the variable plus delta is bigger than 2*pi, or so |
| 21:59.24 | Ralith | and the only remaining references to M_PI are ones I've already vetted :/ |
| 22:08.19 | mafm | I think that part of the problem is that some coordinate varies between 0 and pi, another between -pi and pi |
| 22:08.22 | mafm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_coordinates#Definition |
| 22:08.23 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35317 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Added shoulder joints to bounding box list, giving a (nearly) fully boxed model when standing. |
| 22:08.56 | Ralith | mafm: as far as I can see, I've standardized everything to +/-pi |
| 22:10.13 | mafm | I can't really remember the specifics |
| 22:10.26 | Ralith | no worries, I'll work it out |
| 22:10.32 | mafm | :) |
| 22:10.38 | Ralith | while you're hereâ |
| 22:10.59 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35318 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Added history to the console. |
| 22:11.14 | Ralith | where does the text output used in the original console come from? |
| 22:11.20 | Ralith | it looks like logger output |
| 22:12.13 | Ralith | hm. looks like Logger::attach |
| 22:12.37 | Ralith | which is ObserverSubject::attach? |
| 22:12.52 | Ralith | yep |
| 22:14.47 | mafm | the console was observing the log, yep |
| 22:14.56 | mafm | so you can see things in both places |
| 22:15.17 | Ralith | kk, cool |
| 22:32.50 | Ralith | argh |
| 22:32.55 | Ralith | I hate iterating over STL containers holding const values |
| 22:32.58 | Ralith | I can never get it right :| |
| 22:46.32 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35319 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/libdm/Makefile.am src/mged/Makefile.am): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:46.35 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: add a proper --enable-rtgl flag to configure that will enable/disable |
| 22:46.39 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: compilation of the new rtgl dm interface. it's still tied to opengl (which is |
| 22:46.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: presently defaulted off), so you have to specify --with-opengl too. |
| 22:46.45 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: intentionally did not assign aliases or add to enable-all as a) it's still under |
| 22:46.49 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: development, b) it needs more work at least to not hang drawing, and c) there |
| 22:46.53 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: still needs to be a way to turn all the dm/fb's on/off consistently with |
| 22:57.24 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35320 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Console.cxx Console.h OgreGLWidget.cxx): Working, but backwards, log messages in console output. |
| 22:59.55 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35321 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Flipped console message ordering the right way around. |
| 23:02.07 | Ralith | woo |
| 23:02.11 | Ralith | fully functional console :D |
| 23:16.44 | ``Erik | surprisingly easy, huh? |
| 23:21.24 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35322 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (7 files): Dropped some no-longer-relevant code held over from RBGui usage. |
| 23:22.22 | Ralith | ``Erik: yep; mafm's existing command/logging stuff was put together solidly, and Qt is, too, so it was pretty straightforward to glue them together. |
| 23:25.50 | Ralith | G3D has now been completely uncrufted :D |
| 23:25.58 | ``Erik | completely? O.o |
| 23:26.00 | Ralith | oh wait |
| 23:26.01 | Ralith | not quite |
| 23:26.40 | Ralith | there we go. |
| 23:26.48 | Ralith | NOW it's been fully uncrufted. |
| 23:27.05 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35323 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (14 files): Dropped remaining RBGui code and cleaned out CMakeLists. |
| 23:27.07 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 23:34.28 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35324 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Commands.h: Removed command reliant on outdated code. |
| 23:45.25 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35325 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/MainWindow.cxx: Wired the dropdown setting change signal to the ogreView's setFocus slot so the user doesn't have to keep clicking on the render area. |
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| 00:23.17 | ``Erik | bah |
| 00:23.32 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35327 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (5 files): Re-enabled the quit command. |
| 00:23.55 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35328 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (ChangeLog doc/): move ChangeLog up. Remove binary_spec.txt. Remove doc/. |
| 00:24.37 | ``Erik | stumbles and staggers through his svn commit attempt |
| 00:25.13 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35329 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/Makefile.am: move ChangeLog up. Remove binary_spec.txt. Remove doc/. |
| 00:51.24 | brlcad | Ralith: woot |
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| 01:28.44 | Ralith | whew |
| 01:28.45 | Ralith | that was intense |
| 01:30.03 | Ralith | stretches |
| 01:30.07 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35330 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (16 files): First stage of command system rework complete; now no longer uses globals and functions based on QObject's signal/slot facilities. |
| 01:30.42 | Ralith | sorry 'bout the massive commit, but it was one of those things that doesn't build at all until it's finished |
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| 02:46.15 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35333 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Console.cxx Console.h MainWindow.cxx): Added support for displaying command output to the console. |
| 02:51.51 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35334 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CommandInterpreter.cxx Console.cxx): Prevent lag encountered when the commnand output label is displayed for the first time. |
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| 10:45.15 | elena | hi |
| 10:46.04 | elena | ping: starseeker, ``Erik, brlcad |
| 10:48.14 | brlcad | good morning elena |
| 10:48.25 | elena | hi :) |
| 10:48.36 | elena | do you have time for one question? |
| 10:48.47 | brlcad | always |
| 10:49.02 | elena | when i start rt from mged it seems to start in bg. |
| 10:49.10 | elena | is there a way to run it in fg |
| 10:49.23 | brlcad | yeah, run it outside of mged :) |
| 10:49.27 | elena | or to stop mged from exit until rt exits. |
| 10:49.53 | elena | i was afraid you'll say that. |
| 10:50.09 | brlcad | if you absolutely don't want to reinvoke mged, you can "saveview blah.rt" then "exec ./blah.rt" |
| 10:50.13 | elena | using saveview from mged? |
| 10:50.32 | elena | ok. |
| 10:50.46 | brlcad | saveview has a variety of options for changing the rt command, logging options, etc |
| 10:50.57 | brlcad | and can be tweaked fi needed |
| 10:51.02 | elena | ok. thank you. |
| 10:51.23 | elena | good morning (btw) :) |
| 10:51.29 | brlcad | :) |
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| 13:33.23 | ``Erik | yargh |
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| 14:20.41 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35336 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/move.c: Mod to use %V instead of the deprecated %S in the pattern string for a call to bu_vls_printf. |
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| 14:46.46 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35337 10/brlcad/trunk/INSTALL: give a big 'find' command one-liner that should fully set up a /usr/brlcad rooted installation with proper developer access permissions. |
| 15:04.50 | brlcad | starseeker: that find line should "fix" permissions anywhere |
| 15:12.23 | starseeker | brlcad: ok, cool :-) |
| 15:12.40 | starseeker | thanks! |
| 15:15.21 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35338 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: tcl/tk/itcl/itk libs are getting installed with bad permissions; itcl/itk pkgIndex.tcl files aren't pointing at the .so library file. bad juju all around there. |
| 15:35.36 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35339 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 15:35.37 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Started adding support for building a human based upon percentile, using the -p## command. |
| 15:35.39 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: So in the future, -p40 would make a 40th percentile (shorter) guy. |
| 16:34.31 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35340 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/move_all.c: Added a -n option to ged_move_all. |
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| 16:38.22 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35341 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Update a comment in go_edit_redraw_func. |
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| 17:00.38 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35342 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Theses changes make it possible to undo mv and mvall commands in Archer. |
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| 17:26.30 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35343 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: wow, oops! .. accidentally committed a debugging LDFLAGS line specific to Macs. |
| 17:27.40 | starseeker | was wondering... |
| 17:27.56 | starseeker | OpenGL suddenly wasn't detected |
| 17:28.13 | starseeker | tries again, maybe it's 10.4... |
| 17:31.02 | starseeker | ermmm. |
| 17:31.15 | starseeker | makes a note to look at that later |
| 17:41.28 | brlcad | starseeker: I just modified the opengl checks yesterday |
| 17:41.35 | brlcad | specifically for 10.4 |
| 17:42.17 | brlcad | they were testing and defaulting to off regardless of setting due to the check types -- now it should be a lot simpler header test |
| 17:43.11 | brlcad | I have a clean build using the new tests on 10.4 and 10.5 now so you can post your config.log and configure output if yours is busted |
| 17:43.23 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1587 10/wiki/User:Jdoliner: Updated progress on surface surface intersection. |
| 17:44.01 | brlcad | bah, another tkhtml bustage .. it's trying to run src/other/tcl/unix/tclsh even when we don't build tcl |
| 17:45.19 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1588 10/wiki/User:Jdoliner: trying to make this page a bit more readable |
| 17:47.35 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1589 10/wiki/User:Jdoliner: don't make things any prettier the first time :( |
| 18:21.40 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35344 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkhtml3/Makefile.in: try to force a generic tclsh/wish so that tkhtml3 will hopefully build regardless of using a system tcl |
| 18:44.37 | brlcad | starseeker: I hate to say it but tkhtml3 is a pain in the ass .. and probably needs some automake lovin' |
| 18:45.01 | brlcad | or maybe an update if they've improved things |
| 18:48.16 | brlcad | or at least, the way we call their configure needs some work so that if we're building against a system tcl that it doesn't try to install where tcl installed |
| 18:48.33 | brlcad | pretty sure that's where the /usr/lib install is coming from |
| 18:52.24 | ``Erik | heh |
| 19:00.22 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35345 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/Makefile.am: update dependancy list |
| 19:01.21 | starseeker | brlcad: agreed, but how do we make the package bit work if we don't install where tcl/tk wants its packages installed? |
| 19:02.09 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35346 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtie/tie.c: announce degenerate triangles |
| 19:02.24 | starseeker | ``Erik and I discussed it at one point - if tkhtml3 is needed to extend a system tcl/tk, CAN it be workably installed anywhere but where the system tcl/tk is? particularly when using the specialized tcl macros for that purpose in the Make logic? |
| 19:03.51 | starseeker | if we do the hack that I originally copied off of how we build tkimg, I think we avoid the issue but at the expense of being able to do package require |
| 19:05.33 | starseeker | ok, looks like the OpenGL thing was stale logic |
| 19:05.53 | starseeker | gleefully enables rtgl |
| 20:06.49 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35347 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c: Use explicitely malloc'd memory chunks. Push one tri at a time. Minor cleanup. |
| 20:24.28 | starseeker | notes that brlcad_version.h gags at brlcad_version.h:84:22: error: conf/COUNT: No such file or directory when doing an out of dir build |
| 20:34.49 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35348 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm-rtgl.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): towards per-object point lists |
| 20:40.07 | ``Erik | doesn't for me O.o |
| 20:46.18 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35349 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c: tie_prep is called in the load multiplexer, no need to call it here |
| 20:46.46 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35350 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Tweak getNodeChildren's regsub invocation to better remove matrices. |
| 20:49.11 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35351 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Theses changes make it possible to undo the "make" command in Archer. Other minor cleanup of Archer. |
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| 21:28.47 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35352 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/master/ (main.c master.c master.h tienet_master.c): basic daemon mode added. |
| 21:32.07 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35353 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/adrt.h: spell out verb ID's for protocol debugging |
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| 22:33.35 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35354 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Rearraged commandline arguments so they all work correctly. |
| 23:22.10 | ``Erik | a/clear |
| 23:33.44 | Ralith | starseeker: manage to get it working? |
| 23:40.23 | louipc | yeah I'm getting this darned opengl non-detect too now |
| 23:42.09 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35355 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Avoid configure failure if configuring multiple times - reset OpenGL header checks. |
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| 02:00.23 | keltor | hello - are there any good autocad->mged tutorials? |
| 02:06.59 | brlcad | keltor: there is a pretty extensive mged tutorial series on the website |
| 02:07.35 | brlcad | they start from the ground up and demonstrate basic 3D creation and editing techniques |
| 02:08.16 | keltor | yeah i've been reading it - i think i'm probably just impatient since i'm an autocad user since like 1988 |
| 02:10.05 | brlcad | keltor: as autocad is fairly grounded in a 2D centric approach and drafting operations at heart, you'll find a lot of differences |
| 02:10.56 | brlcad | we're more in line with the likes of catia, unigraphics/nx, solidworks with a fundamentally 3D-based approach |
| 02:11.28 | brlcad | brl-cad does have 2D facilities, but nowhere near on par with autocad, particularly for drafting purposes |
| 02:12.11 | brlcad | 2D sketch objects and drafting-style hidden line drawings/renderings are about as close as we get to that domain |
| 02:12.17 | keltor | i'm very ok with solidworks actually (as well as using inventor rather often) |
| 02:12.31 | keltor | in college that was the 3d cad of choice |
| 02:12.46 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/w/images/4/44/Industry_Diagram.pdf covers the gist of where we're at |
| 02:13.21 | brlcad | we're actively working on expanding to the left, but that's major long-term effort |
| 02:13.59 | brlcad | autocad is a CADD system, fwiw, to get some bearings |
| 02:15.21 | brlcad | the three I mentioned are more squarely in the larger CAD domain (catia in particular), but that's still a huge domain and the focus is still often CAID purposes |
| 02:15.33 | keltor | yes I'm familar, i generally start with autocad for my base mechanicals designs, then move on to orcad, then proengineer |
| 02:15.40 | keltor | then pspice |
| 02:15.47 | keltor | work is never done ... |
| 02:42.33 | brlcad | heh, quite a fleet of licensing.. |
| 02:44.57 | louipc | hahah |
| 02:45.28 | louipc | yep small shops can't compete, so they pirate :P |
| 02:54.41 | keltor | very true |
| 02:54.59 | keltor | i'm fairly sure we license it all legally |
| 02:55.02 | keltor | lol |
| 02:55.17 | keltor | in some of the cases they are licensing patents from us so ... |
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| 08:38.14 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35359 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (6 files): First attempt at reinstalling the GUI. Not quite what we want yet, but awesome nevertheless. |
| 08:41.44 | Ralith | hehe |
| 08:48.48 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35360 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Removed the last of the flickering. |
| 08:49.59 | Ralith | If anyone wants to see something neat, how would be a great time to check out g3d |
| 09:02.44 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35361 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (MainWindow.cxx MainWindow.h): Restored widget layout. |
| 09:06.18 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35362 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Made event filtering better behaved. |
| 09:48.19 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35363 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Flipped the event filters the right way around. Not sure how it managed to work originally. |
| 09:52.35 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35364 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.h: Undefined some dangerous stuff brought in from GLX. |
| 10:48.26 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35365 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (6 files): Partially restored camera controls. |
| 11:18.24 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35366 10/rt^3/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): typing |
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| 12:47.57 | brlcad | Ralith: awesome, can't wait to see it |
| 12:48.30 | Ralith | brlcad: actually, bad news |
| 12:48.37 | Ralith | it turns out this approach massively rapes performance. |
| 12:49.11 | Ralith | relies on glX/wglMakeCurrent which apparently sucks hugely. |
| 12:50.23 | Ralith | frustrating; I just spent all day making it work >:| |
| 12:51.02 | Ralith | I'm presuming that performance is going to matter on typically large models, so I'm going to go back and try some other approaches |
| 12:51.15 | Ralith | I (finally!) got in contact with some knowledgable qt guys and got some suggestions. |
| 12:51.21 | brlcad | rapes performance in what regard? |
| 12:52.03 | Ralith | the 70% CPU on idle regard. |
| 12:52.21 | brlcad | one thing to keep in mind with regards to performance, one thing that will eventually have to be changed is a no-refresh idle loop |
| 12:52.34 | brlcad | so that you only refresh the display when it's invalidated/changed |
| 12:52.42 | brlcad | not XX frames per second all the time |
| 12:52.49 | Ralith | I'm told it might actually copy the entire GPU memory into and out of system memory each flip. |
| 12:52.57 | Ralith | brlcad: okay, that's actually easy. |
| 12:53.00 | Ralith | that's Qt's default >_> |
| 12:53.12 | Ralith | just gotta wire up the camera controls so they let Qt know that it needs redrawing |
| 12:53.49 | Ralith | will try to get the OpenGL thing fixed properly before that, though. |
| 12:53.56 | brlcad | k |
| 12:54.51 | Ralith | I'm correct in considering this kind of performance unacceptable, right? |
| 12:55.24 | brlcad | copying all GPU memory on each frame, .. yeah :) |
| 12:55.32 | Ralith | heh |
| 12:55.35 | Ralith | kk |
| 12:55.46 | Ralith | you might want to play around with the current revision anyway |
| 12:55.48 | Ralith | it's very pretty |
| 12:56.01 | Ralith | although somewhat impractical due to a bug I hadn't gotten around to squashing before discovering the issue |
| 12:56.01 | brlcad | screenshot? |
| 12:56.04 | Ralith | okie |
| 12:56.47 | brlcad | if you can have something stabilized before tuesday, I can give a demo or show screenshots at siggraph |
| 12:57.06 | Ralith | ooo! |
| 12:57.19 | Ralith | I'll see what I can do |
| 12:59.10 | Ralith | brlcad: http://isitloadedyet.com/~ralith/pretty.png |
| 12:59.37 | Ralith | with a medium gray background color that might actually be somewhat practical. |
| 13:00.44 | brlcad | awesome! :) |
| 13:00.49 | brlcad | that is looking good |
| 13:00.58 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 13:01.16 | brlcad | ~Ralith++ |
| 13:01.37 | Ralith | when I eventually get back to this point I'll put some background color on the widgets for the sake of reliable text readability, though |
| 13:02.03 | Ralith | as cool looking as fully transparent backgrounds are, I can see it being a real pain on, say, lit models with both dark and light areas |
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| 13:54.53 | starseeker | Ralith: yeah, semi-transparent is usually the way to go |
| 13:55.36 | louipc | hmm! neat |
| 14:00.04 | starseeker | Ralith: you might jump into that thread and ask if those folks are seeing the same performance hit |
| 14:00.23 | starseeker | Marseyeah seems responsive |
| 14:01.08 | elena | hi starseeker. |
| 14:01.13 | starseeker | hey elena |
| 14:01.17 | starseeker | how goes it? |
| 14:01.18 | elena | how are you? |
| 14:01.23 | elena | very good! |
| 14:01.41 | elena | except i'm upset with g-vrml. |
| 14:01.46 | elena | it's very slow. |
| 14:01.51 | starseeker | can't say he's surprised |
| 14:02.16 | elena | i try to convert the havoc example and it's running for 45mins and hasn't stop |
| 14:02.19 | brlcad | most of the tessellating exporters are very slow, and may not even successfully complete |
| 14:02.40 | elena | :( |
| 14:02.49 | elena | that takes out one of the features. |
| 14:02.53 | elena | of the site. |
| 14:02.58 | brlcad | hm, that's pretty long, even for havoc |
| 14:03.04 | elena | i finished rendering and conversion code. |
| 14:03.24 | elena | you can upload a bunch of formats and they get converted to g |
| 14:03.27 | brlcad | i don't see a g-vrml running on .bz, was this local? |
| 14:03.42 | elena | then they get rendered and they you can convert to other formats too |
| 14:03.46 | brlcad | cool |
| 14:04.00 | brlcad | there does need to be some sort of awareness of the underlying geometry type |
| 14:04.03 | elena | so i enabled vrml conversion. ppl with vrml plugins can see what they will get |
| 14:04.12 | elena | before downloading brlcad + model. |
| 14:04.18 | brlcad | so when you convert, you can determine whether it was faithful or lossy |
| 14:04.56 | elena | i'd say it's almost always lossy. |
| 14:05.06 | elena | but the original file is always available. |
| 14:05.07 | brlcad | e.g., g-vrml of havoc is lossy because it's going from primitives with CSG boolean operations to an evaluated polygonal mesh format |
| 14:05.19 | brlcad | right, most are lossy, but some aren't |
| 14:05.40 | brlcad | if havoc were a polygonal mesh to start with, then g-vrml would have been lossless |
| 14:05.54 | elena | btw, should i put the code on the old server, or the new one? |
| 14:06.13 | elena | how can I tell what type is it? |
| 14:06.42 | brlcad | that's a good question |
| 14:06.48 | elena | oh, btw, I'm thrilled about the raytracing stuff. |
| 14:07.13 | brlcad | some you know what type it is simply by the file format, because some file formats only support one type |
| 14:07.16 | elena | I create a file with matrices and commands for rt for all the raytracings and then with a single rt command i get all the images. |
| 14:07.30 | elena | so i don't have to start it each time for each image. |
| 14:07.54 | brlcad | e.g., stl, vrml, ply are all evaluated polygonal/triangle mesh explicit boundary representation formats |
| 14:08.13 | brlcad | woot, way to use rt scripting :) |
| 14:08.28 | elena | however, I have one question. |
| 14:08.40 | elena | i've noticed that I have to do units mm |
| 14:09.00 | elena | or the values in saveview will not match the values from the view command. |
| 14:09.12 | elena | but there is still a small difference between them. |
| 14:09.19 | elena | if i say saveview |
| 14:09.42 | elena | i'll get in the file something like eye_pt 1000 1000 1000 let's say. |
| 14:09.59 | elena | but if I do view eye in mged i'll get something less |
| 14:10.04 | elena | like 950 950 950 |
| 14:10.10 | brlcad | hum |
| 14:10.17 | elena | i can provide a real example if you want. |
| 14:10.19 | brlcad | sounds like unexpected behavior to say the least |
| 14:10.24 | brlcad | possibly a bug |
| 14:10.36 | elena | ah. ok. |
| 14:11.15 | elena | it's not a big difference, and the images look the same. I was just curios where could the difference came from. |
| 14:11.20 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35367 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Tweak dbExpand in ArcherCore. |
| 14:11.53 | elena | initially, i had cm units and besides the value diference there was also a 10x difference. |
| 14:12.19 | elena | g-vrml still working on havoc. 53mins. |
| 14:12.37 | elena | and 13mb written. :( |
| 14:16.37 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35368 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Added a createWrapper and modified "make" and "cp" to call it. Also brought the "in" command into the undo framework. |
| 14:16.59 | brlcad | see if it completes, it may |
| 14:17.05 | elena | at this poin, user will probably want to download the much slower g file :) |
| 14:17.11 | elena | slower => smaller. |
| 14:18.03 | brlcad | another thing to consider given it takes that long is that you could queue up conversions to happen idlely in the background when a geometry is uploaded, so once you have the vrml, you don't have to convert it again |
| 14:18.32 | elena | i did this. |
| 14:18.50 | elena | all convertions and raytracing is done in a queue. |
| 14:18.51 | brlcad | otherwise, you just tell them "thanks for your request .. it's been queued for processing .. eta [random] hours" :) |
| 14:19.12 | elena | the submission process is not blocked. |
| 14:19.53 | brlcad | fwiw, havoc is particularly expensive to convert because it's fully CSG |
| 14:19.59 | brlcad | there's a lot of booleans that have to be evaluated |
| 14:20.26 | elena | so i picked the wrong one to mess with :D |
| 14:20.40 | elena | the truck.g was quite fast. |
| 14:20.44 | elena | about 10s |
| 14:21.26 | brlcad | yeah, truck is tiny in comparison |
| 14:21.38 | brlcad | even havoc is pretty small compared to a full vehicle |
| 14:22.40 | elena | about the web server? should I start uploading on the current server? |
| 14:29.48 | brlcad | wherever you've been uploading, I'd just keep on there |
| 14:29.59 | brlcad | so old is fine, or new if you already started |
| 14:30.26 | elena | ok. old it is then. |
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| 14:34.08 | elena | is there a doc about the rt commands? |
| 14:34.24 | elena | i only know the ones from the saveview file. |
| 14:35.37 | brlcad | mm.. |
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| 14:36.02 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35369 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/scripts/ (7.14.txt generic.txt): New tcl script output format (raytracing is done outside the script in a separate run). |
| 14:36.30 | brlcad | i don't think so |
| 14:37.32 | brlcad | but you can see the list of commands in http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/do.c?view=markup around line 1009 |
| 14:37.48 | elena | thank you. |
| 14:39.39 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35370 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/ (brlcad.inc brlcad.module): Updated code to raytrace all images with a rt script (prevents PHP from crashing due to processes overlap). Updated code for conversion. |
| 14:41.00 | elena | ok. then I know almost half of them. ;) |
| 14:44.49 | starseeker | wonders if anyone has attempted to build BRL-CAD on minix 3 |
| 14:47.54 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35371 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/light_download_count/ (5 files): Lightweight download counter custom made module (works with private and public downloads) |
| 15:04.59 | brlcad | heh, I have a minix 3 disk sitting right in front of me |
| 15:05.35 | brlcad | one of the minix devs was at the mentor summit and was pretty interested in getting brl-cad working |
| 15:10.52 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35372 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/.htaccess: .htaccess setup for tracking downloads |
| 15:14.26 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35373 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/themes/fireflystreamcom/ (node-model.tpl.php style.css template.php): Custom model themeing |
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| 15:33.02 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35374 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 15:33.04 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: new tool that reports summary information about a given geometry file such as |
| 15:33.06 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: object types used, classes of geometry representations used, and more. most |
| 15:33.08 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: usefully for the web interface to be able to introspect on a geometry file to be |
| 15:33.10 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: able to classify and compare imported geometry. |
| 15:42.18 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35375 10/brlcad/trunk/ (14 files in 8 dirs): Rename bbsize to bb, add -c option to create bounding box, fix NEWS item to refer to bb not bbsize |
| 16:11.09 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35376 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/themes/fireflystreamcom/style.css: Fixed slogan theme bug. |
| 16:25.32 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35377 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 16:25.34 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Added support for individual person regions in the makeArmy command. |
| 16:25.36 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Each human model's region is numbered in the same manor the parts are numberd: |
| 16:25.38 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Body.r0.... Body.r12.... etc. |
| 16:32.44 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35378 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/3dm/3dm-g.cpp: Print out some more type identifications to get a better idea of what exactly is contained in the 3dm m_object_table. |
| 16:47.22 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35379 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: Implemented surfacesurfaceintersect which facilitates finding starting points of intersection, walking intersections and removing starting points once they've been crossed. |
| 16:48.04 | elena | g-vrml took about 4h on havoc |
| 16:50.57 | starseeker | how does the result look? |
| 16:51.09 | elena | 40mb files. |
| 16:51.11 | starseeker | is actually a bit surprised it succeeded |
| 16:51.20 | elena | my browser plugin hangs when loading it :) |
| 16:51.21 | starseeker | does it visually resemble havoc? |
| 16:51.25 | starseeker | ah |
| 16:51.32 | elena | i 'll try again. |
| 16:51.40 | elena | to load it. |
| 16:51.45 | louipc | :O |
| 16:51.52 | starseeker | might try a standalone viewer |
| 16:52.01 | starseeker | seeks edibles |
| 16:52.57 | louipc | why isn't a screenshot enough? :P |
| 16:53.05 | louipc | err a small render |
| 16:53.17 | elena | it is. i was just curios how long it will take. |
| 16:53.19 | louipc | or a few small renders |
| 16:53.21 | louipc | ah ok |
| 16:53.43 | louipc | it bugs me how every application is being thrown onto the web these days :P |
| 16:54.23 | starseeker | is old school - don't want my apps in a browser |
| 16:55.18 | louipc | especially when it comes to flash haha |
| 16:56.09 | louipc | hopefully that'll be disappear as html5 support improves though |
| 16:57.46 | elena | i have freewrl. doesn't seem to handle havoc.vrml very well. |
| 16:58.17 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35380 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 16:58.21 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Added individual bounding boxes to makeArmy command. No hollow region support yet. |
| 16:58.27 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Named as such: Box.r# |
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| 17:05.48 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35381 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/3dm/3dm-g.cpp: Few more formatting tweaks in debug output of 3dm-g. Names such as '(#101029) PIPE' are a problem for e * in MGED - maybe such things should be 'cleaned up' a little? |
| 17:10.45 | brlcad | starseeker: surprised there's not a polymorphic way to dump/print the types -- should just need a parent type |
| 17:11.11 | brlcad | i.e., there should be a polymorphic way :) |
| 17:14.40 | starseeker | brlcad: probably - I was just doing a quick extension of what Dave had originally done |
| 17:14.54 | starseeker | in the end, the whole thing will probably go away |
| 17:15.22 | starseeker | needs to figure out what to do with InstanceRef |
| 17:15.38 | brlcad | dave was not adept in c++, so caution |
| 17:15.53 | starseeker | ah, k |
| 17:21.29 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35382 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/fivestar/ (89 files in 17 dirs): Fivestar update (1.16) - fixed average votes display bug |
| 17:34.01 | starseeker | blinks in surprise as 3dm-g on the openmoko.3dm largely succeeds this time... |
| 17:34.14 | starseeker | aaaaaaand kills the raytrace by asking for too much memory |
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| 17:45.42 | talcite | hey starseeker |
| 17:45.56 | elena | hi talcite |
| 17:46.03 | talcite | did you get my message last night about the macros? |
| 17:46.14 | talcite | hi elena |
| 17:49.02 | brlcad | talcite: thanks for the RFE, think I have a working solution that should help |
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| 17:49.22 | talcite | brlcad: not a problem. Thanks for fixing it quickly |
| 17:49.34 | brlcad | not technically a bug, though, fwiw ;) |
| 17:49.52 | talcite | brlcad: I think there might be an issue with fedora's compatibility with the configure script |
| 17:50.15 | brlcad | how so? |
| 17:50.31 | talcite | brlcad: the macro enabling the include for Xutils.h doesn't get enabled by the configure script |
| 17:50.51 | brlcad | I read a bit of the log from many hours back -- there are a few options that should help package configuration/integration |
| 17:51.01 | talcite | it's searching in /usr/X11, but that doesn't exist in fedora |
| 17:51.10 | brlcad | the macro -- which macro? |
| 17:51.23 | brlcad | we don't do much X11 testing directly, we rely on automake's tests |
| 17:51.29 | talcite | HAVE_X11_XLIB_H |
| 17:51.40 | brlcad | that's not a macro :) |
| 17:51.54 | talcite | ahh, precompiler directive? I never know the proper term for them heh |
| 17:52.13 | brlcad | yeah, that's a preprocessor define |
| 17:52.30 | brlcad | set by configure when it finds a header |
| 17:53.01 | talcite | anyways, the define doesn't get set by the configure script, and I do have the header |
| 17:53.36 | talcite | it's in /usr/include/X11, not /usr/X11 |
| 17:53.42 | louipc | I don't have /usr/X11 either |
| 17:53.46 | talcite | hmm |
| 17:53.58 | louipc | seemed to work alright for me |
| 17:54.14 | talcite | I wonder why I'm failing this test then |
| 17:54.41 | talcite | my bash isn't great. This configure script is really complex |
| 17:54.46 | brlcad | talcite: back up some .. |
| 17:54.55 | brlcad | what is your goal? |
| 17:55.11 | talcite | brlcad: to compile it first, then to package it from source |
| 17:55.46 | brlcad | okay, so then what is your configure line |
| 17:56.13 | talcite | ./configure --disable-jove --with-tclconfig=/usr/lib64/ --with-tkconfig=/usr/lib64/ |
| 17:56.38 | brlcad | oof, tcl/tk overrides are a bear .. |
| 17:56.40 | brlcad | okay |
| 17:57.02 | brlcad | so that means it's going to try to autodetect nearly everything else given you're not using --enable-all or --disable-all |
| 17:57.22 | talcite | --enable-all? hmm |
| 17:57.23 | brlcad | so configure completes presumably, yes? then compile fails at some point? |
| 17:57.30 | talcite | brlcad: yes |
| 17:57.42 | talcite | the XVisualInfo struct isn't defined |
| 17:57.49 | talcite | because Xutils.h isn't being included |
| 17:58.05 | brlcad | so then can you pastebin up your configure output? |
| 17:58.15 | talcite | sure |
| 17:59.12 | talcite | brlcad: http://fpaste.org/paste/20290 |
| 18:07.32 | brlcad | hm, looks like your version of AC_PATH_XTRA is not setting the have_x variable |
| 18:07.41 | brlcad | what's your version of autoconf? |
| 18:11.22 | talcite | brlcad: 2.63 |
| 18:12.08 | talcite | brlcad: sorry I'm not very familiar with AC. I'm not running autoconf am I? I just ran the configure script |
| 18:12.55 | brlcad | autoconf is run during autoreconf or autogen.sh in order to generate the configure script |
| 18:13.05 | brlcad | that's probably why - you're using a very recent version |
| 18:13.13 | brlcad | they probably changed the interface slightly |
| 18:13.47 | talcite | brlcad: but I've never run autoreconf or autogen.sh. Should I have? |
| 18:13.49 | brlcad | edit configure.ac and delete the three lines that are wrapped in have_x |
| 18:13.56 | brlcad | oh! |
| 18:14.22 | talcite | I just ran the configure script that was already present in the tar.bz2 |
| 18:14.28 | brlcad | hold on then.. that could be the issue -- AC_PATH_XTRA needs to be regenerated for your newer system |
| 18:14.31 | brlcad | right |
| 18:14.33 | talcite | ahh |
| 18:14.58 | brlcad | basically an autoconf 'bug' for loose definitions of bugs, but a problem nonetheless |
| 18:15.48 | brlcad | the configure script you generate on one system 'should' work on any other system, but that's only true 99% of the time as there are bugs and updates that are required for newer configurations |
| 18:16.00 | brlcad | try running "sh autogen.sh" |
| 18:16.12 | brlcad | should take just a couple minutes |
| 18:16.20 | brlcad | then re-run configure |
| 18:16.40 | brlcad | then look for HAVE_X11 in include/brlcad_config.h |
| 18:16.48 | talcite | sounds good. I'll give that a shot |
| 18:17.02 | talcite | thanks for the help |
| 18:20.32 | brlcad | I have a change that might avoid the problem down the road |
| 18:20.44 | brlcad | but will still be good to know if that fixes it |
| 18:20.59 | talcite | brlcad: k. I'm running configure now |
| 18:22.49 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35383 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: don't use/assume have_x will be defined. just do a header test right here. might need more cppflags logic to search in the dirs we just found from ac_path_xtra |
| 18:23.20 | talcite | brlcad: yup, it works now |
| 18:23.36 | brlcad | cool |
| 18:23.37 | louipc | sweet |
| 18:23.41 | talcite | I'll try compiling, but it should work |
| 18:23.53 | talcite | yeah, that was quite the bug =S. I've never run into that before |
| 18:24.05 | brlcad | so there's some magic that 2.63 added in for it to properly detect X11 and set have_x for your system |
| 18:25.03 | brlcad | commit should hopefully avoid the issue, but all we can do on our end is try to be sure to use at least 2.63 when generating configure for our source tarballs |
| 18:25.06 | brlcad | come release time |
| 18:25.32 | louipc | when's the next one planned for? |
| 18:25.36 | talcite | what system do you do the compiling on? |
| 18:26.06 | brlcad | louipc: any day, hopefully before friday |
| 18:26.12 | louipc | cool! |
| 18:26.26 | talcite | haha should I wait to do the packaging then? |
| 18:26.30 | brlcad | we missed two iterations unfortunately |
| 18:26.36 | louipc | talcite: good idea :D |
| 18:27.04 | talcite | alright. Let me get the hang of the ogl and optimize builds in the mean time |
| 18:27.05 | brlcad | talcite: heh, not really -- at best all that should change is the patch number in your script |
| 18:27.27 | brlcad | you don't really need ogl, don't recommend it for a release configuration |
| 18:27.33 | talcite | ahh ok |
| 18:27.54 | brlcad | it's good on a per-system basis but there are some systems that have really bad behavior |
| 18:28.19 | brlcad | doesn't limit functionality or performance on our end, it's just the protocol we talk in our display management system on the backend |
| 18:28.29 | talcite | oh ok |
| 18:28.31 | louipc | I guess the user should decide what to use then |
| 18:28.37 | brlcad | X11 is just fine (and can actually out-perform in many cases) |
| 18:28.51 | talcite | haha well then no reason to use ogl |
| 18:28.59 | brlcad | not yet |
| 18:29.05 | louipc | heheh |
| 18:29.13 | talcite | yeah, I heard Ralith just got Qt embeds working |
| 18:29.15 | brlcad | we've got a dev working on a nice shaded display interface that is really snazzy |
| 18:29.23 | brlcad | and it uses ogl with ray-tracing |
| 18:29.28 | talcite | haha sweet |
| 18:29.30 | louipc | I want to get mged in the framebuffer :D |
| 18:30.32 | brlcad | talcite: yeah, though that's for longer-term development effort -- new gui interface that will likely supplant current in 4 years or so (prototype much earlier than that though) |
| 18:30.59 | brlcad | prototype hopefully before this year's end |
| 18:31.14 | talcite | whoa. no kidding. You're not worried that Qt will deprecate the API call? |
| 18:31.26 | brlcad | not at all |
| 18:31.47 | brlcad | it's under continuous development -- if they change things we'll be changing right along |
| 18:32.08 | talcite | I see |
| 18:32.12 | brlcad | it'll simply take that long to bring the interface up to a capability level on par with mged/archer |
| 18:32.33 | brlcad | plan is mged -> archer -> new gui |
| 18:33.03 | brlcad | archer is about ready to demo now, nearing alpha stage, and will carry the gui for at least a couple years |
| 18:33.08 | brlcad | while the new one gets worked on |
| 18:33.25 | talcite | when do you think Archer will be released? |
| 18:33.27 | brlcad | rolling updates, can't abandon existing userbase |
| 18:33.47 | brlcad | that one should go full alpha before year's end |
| 18:33.47 | talcite | ahh |
| 18:34.06 | brlcad | beta later in the year |
| 18:34.13 | brlcad | maybe final by end of 2010 |
| 18:34.23 | talcite | heh you guys seem to have a pretty strong development timeline |
| 18:34.34 | brlcad | around that time, new gui should be about ready for alpha |
| 18:39.36 | talcite | blam. another build error =D |
| 18:40.12 | brlcad | paste? |
| 18:40.28 | talcite | coming up |
| 18:40.35 | brlcad | there are a few known issues with the 7.14.8 build that have since been fixed |
| 18:40.41 | talcite | http://fpaste.org/paste/20296 |
| 18:40.42 | brlcad | particularly with regards to mixed system installs |
| 18:40.46 | talcite | it's a java error |
| 18:41.10 | brlcad | wow, that's a new one |
| 18:41.15 | talcite | I hope it's not because I'm using openJDK instead of sunJava |
| 18:41.43 | brlcad | yeah, looks like some bug in fop or java |
| 18:41.47 | louipc | java! |
| 18:41.55 | louipc | crazy |
| 18:41.59 | brlcad | the good news is that the build succeeded |
| 18:42.06 | brlcad | that part of the build is generating documentation |
| 18:42.10 | talcite | ahh it's just documentation stuff |
| 18:42.33 | louipc | I have openjdk too |
| 18:42.35 | talcite | well that's minor, but I should probably fix it anyways |
| 18:42.37 | brlcad | can add --disable-documentation to turn it off |
| 18:43.26 | talcite | hmm... is the documentation useful though? |
| 18:43.45 | louipc | I didn't get any pdfs though.. |
| 18:43.49 | brlcad | given xsltproc processed the first xml file just fine, it may be a typo in build_pattern.xml ( starseeker ) |
| 18:44.01 | talcite | haha |
| 18:44.17 | louipc | ah I don't have 'fop' installed |
| 18:44.23 | brlcad | ah, my bad .. it processed the xml fine to html, just not to .fo for fop |
| 18:44.31 | brlcad | so probably not |
| 18:44.50 | brlcad | talcite: does fop work for you? |
| 18:45.15 | brlcad | and of course the documentation is useful |
| 18:45.17 | brlcad | just not necessary :) |
| 18:45.21 | talcite | brlcad: hmm I've never used fop before |
| 18:45.35 | talcite | it seems to work more or less |
| 18:45.38 | brlcad | there are extensive docs on the website, and other docs that get installed too |
| 18:46.10 | brlcad | dunno what to say on that one -- looks like an fop issue |
| 18:46.15 | louipc | html docs are good enough |
| 18:46.47 | brlcad | could try running /usr/bin/fop build_pattern.fo -pdf build_pattern.pdf manually |
| 18:46.58 | talcite | yup, that's my plan so far |
| 18:47.05 | talcite | I need to find it first though |
| 18:47.31 | brlcad | doc/docbook/articles/build_pattern/en |
| 18:47.42 | talcite | thanks |
| 18:49.16 | talcite | nope, same problem |
| 18:49.54 | talcite | wait, there's something weird |
| 18:50.05 | talcite | build_pattern.fo doesn't exist |
| 18:50.26 | talcite | [matthew@desktop en]$ pwd |
| 18:50.26 | talcite | /home/matthew/Download/brlcad-7.14.8/doc/docbook/articles/build_pattern/en |
| 18:50.26 | talcite | [matthew@desktop en]$ ls |
| 18:50.26 | talcite | build_pattern.html build_pattern.xml Makefile Makefile.am Makefile.in |
| 18:51.12 | talcite | brlcad: and I'm getting the same error as the build_pattern.fo command |
| 18:52.01 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35384 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 18:52.03 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Made it where the makeArmy command now places all humans into Crowd.c combination, for easy access to all |
| 18:52.06 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: persons. |
| 18:52.34 | brlcad | right, the .fo is what it generates |
| 18:52.55 | brlcad | er, rather -- hmm |
| 18:53.14 | brlcad | does this generate the .fo? XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../../../../doc/docbook/catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o build_pattern.fo ../../../../../doc/docbook/resources/standard/xsl/fo/docbook.xsl build_pattern.xml |
| 18:53.43 | brlcad | according to the log, it did |
| 18:55.42 | talcite | hmm that's strange. The file isn't there |
| 18:55.54 | talcite | maybe fop removes the input file? |
| 18:57.40 | talcite | hmm no... well anyways I've created the file, but it still NPEs |
| 18:59.06 | brlcad | yeah, sounds like an fop bug if xsltproc generates it correctly |
| 18:59.16 | brlcad | or maybe a version mismatch between the two |
| 18:59.30 | brlcad | or a problem with java |
| 18:59.40 | brlcad | either way, --disable-documentation :) |
| 19:00.05 | talcite | haha I guess it works temporarily. I'll probably need to get it fixed before the fedora repo maintainers will allow it for inclusion though |
| 19:01.12 | talcite | lets see if it's still an issue in the next release |
| 19:09.46 | brlcad | hm? you mean hold up our inclusion because fop doesn't work? that's kinda silly |
| 19:10.30 | brlcad | only thing we can do on our end is default it to off so you don't need to specify the disable |
| 19:12.32 | talcite | hmm. I guess I could always just build the documentation package seperately when fop works again |
| 19:14.52 | talcite | is there a listing of configuration options? |
| 19:15.18 | brlcad | INSTALL file |
| 19:15.29 | talcite | thanks |
| 19:15.41 | louipc | ./configure --help too |
| 19:18.35 | talcite | is there a reason the debug symbols are enabled by default? |
| 19:20.19 | brlcad | yep, for debuggability, stack traces |
| 19:20.38 | brlcad | we have automatic crash reports that can get generated if something goes horribly wrong |
| 19:20.43 | talcite | brlcad: Is there a big hit on performance if it's enabled? |
| 19:20.52 | brlcad | nope, not at all |
| 19:20.59 | talcite | ahh ok. So I should leave them in for the package |
| 19:21.13 | brlcad | --enable-optimized will give a huge performance difference |
| 19:21.19 | brlcad | nearly 2x on rendering performance |
| 19:21.26 | talcite | yup. I just set that configure flag |
| 19:21.48 | brlcad | it'll also make compilation take 2x ;) |
| 19:21.55 | talcite | brlcad: you mentioned there's a couple flags that make packaging easier? |
| 19:21.57 | talcite | =/ |
| 19:22.05 | talcite | oh well. I'm working from home today |
| 19:23.24 | brlcad | for packaging systems --disable-almost-everything and then specifically enabling anything you won't have |
| 19:23.37 | brlcad | (like tkhtml3 and tnt) |
| 19:23.43 | talcite | oh I see |
| 19:24.20 | talcite | sounds good to me |
| 19:24.44 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35385 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Added mirror to the undo framework. Tweaked killWrapper. |
| 19:25.13 | brlcad | wishes bob would push those wrappers down into libged proper |
| 19:27.16 | ``Erik | mebbe if you jerked a couple out from under him, he'd get the idea? |
| 19:27.21 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35386 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/brlcad.module: Fix metadata editing bug (only editors can edit it now) |
| 19:29.01 | ``Erik | grumbles a bit |
| 19:33.52 | talcite | brlcad: does --disable-almost-everything also disable the --with-x11 etc? |
| 19:34.08 | brlcad | talcite: no |
| 19:34.26 | brlcad | it only disables the various --disable-*-build options, as listed in INSTALL |
| 19:34.39 | talcite | ahh ok |
| 19:34.47 | brlcad | the with flags merely specify how/where to find system services |
| 19:35.17 | louipc | does it automatically check for --disable* flags? |
| 19:37.19 | louipc | ah ok I see :D |
| 19:38.19 | louipc | oh darn I did add tkhtml3 in that switch hah |
| 19:43.04 | talcite | argh I forgot to make -j2 =/ |
| 19:44.42 | starseeker | just Ctrl-c and restart |
| 19:44.47 | starseeker | it will pick up where it left off |
| 19:44.59 | talcite | ahh cool |
| 19:45.25 | talcite | hmm that's right. I forgot make can do that |
| 19:47.37 | talcite | whoa. I'm getting 4x performance after --enable-optimized |
| 19:47.43 | talcite | cool |
| 19:48.19 | louipc | how long did the build take? |
| 19:49.35 | brlcad | talcite: it's interruptible |
| 19:50.06 | talcite | build took about 30 mins, but only because I forgot to use make -j2 =D |
| 19:51.54 | louipc | pretty quick |
| 19:53.23 | talcite | louipc: it's a fairly powerful system by the standards a couple years ago. Core 2 duo, 2 gigs of ram, |
| 19:53.40 | louipc | nice |
| 19:53.49 | louipc | takes me 3hr to build :( |
| 19:53.52 | talcite | =o |
| 19:54.11 | talcite | why not upgrade? you can get a much more powerful system than mine for $500 these days |
| 19:55.36 | louipc | I'm cheap, and I don't do that much compiling I guess |
| 19:55.49 | louipc | or I'm waiting for usb3.0 hahh |
| 19:56.06 | louipc | it'll be out soonish |
| 19:56.57 | talcite | louipc: hmm... well you can probably put usb 3.0 on any system with a PCIE 4x slot |
| 19:57.16 | louipc | that's cheating! |
| 19:57.39 | talcite | they'll release add on cards. It'll be pretty expensive for you to buy a usb 3.0 system right when they come out |
| 19:57.54 | louipc | hmm yeah probably |
| 19:57.59 | talcite | and after they've come out, it'll be at least 2 years till they're coming off lease |
| 19:58.14 | talcite | oh, off lease computers are the secret to getting a good deal |
| 19:58.26 | louipc | what are those? |
| 19:58.42 | talcite | I got a machine capable of a quad core processor, with 2 gigs of ram. for under $300 last year for my work |
| 19:59.02 | louipc | I just bought some parts and threw them in a box |
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| 19:59.18 | talcite | louipc: businesses and governments usually lease their computers. When the leases expire, they get sold as second hand equipment |
| 19:59.26 | louipc | ohh nice |
| 19:59.31 | talcite | but they're usually in great shape, so it's really cheap |
| 20:00.30 | talcite | louipc: here: http://www.itxchange.com/itxchange/product.asp?part_no=6073-AR4-B3-06&SEORewriteUrlSrc=Website |
| 20:00.50 | talcite | you should check out that site. They're probably the largest supplier of off-lease equipment in the world |
| 20:01.18 | talcite | if you look around more, I'm sure you can find one that has a good chipset and lots of room for upgrades. |
| 20:01.23 | louipc | damn that's pretty cheap |
| 20:02.34 | talcite | yup |
| 20:02.46 | talcite | it's more powerful than my current system if you don't count the graphics card |
| 20:03.06 | talcite | plus they're all fairly linux compatible since they're IBM/lenovo |
| 20:05.06 | talcite | my suggestion is to find a tower model with a motherboard/chipset that takes the quad core processors, like Q35. It gives you a good upgrade path in the future. All of these boards also take up to 16 gb usually |
| 20:05.26 | talcite | they'll also have enough Sata ports to give you raid capability |
| 20:05.41 | talcite | used to do IT purchasing for an NGO |
| 20:05.59 | talcite | had no money, but needed performance =P |
| 20:21.46 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35387 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: |
| 20:21.48 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: subdivision size factors can apparently be disabled without impacting the |
| 20:21.50 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: raytracing, and VASTLY speeding up prep and lowering memory used. With these |
| 20:21.52 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: changes, able to raytrace 900+ breps (some of which have in turn hundreds of |
| 20:21.54 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: surfaces) in a surprisingly reasonable time. |
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| 20:41.28 | brlcad | ~elena++ |
| 20:42.32 | brlcad | is curious what an arb8 comparison looks like for the various forms it can exist as now |
| 20:44.11 | brlcad | arb8, nmg, bot, brep (new nurbs), bspline (old nurbs), vol/dsp/ebm (1x1 cell) ... |
| 20:45.09 | brlcad | starseeker: ran across my SPM08 notes .. some good tidbits I'd forgotten -- see if I can post up something |
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| 20:53.03 | talcite | crap... I'm failing the make test now =P |
| 20:54.20 | brlcad | talcite: that's not necessarily anything you're doing wrong |
| 20:54.32 | brlcad | our tests are more meant for devs under controlled environments/settings |
| 20:54.39 | talcite | oh ok |
| 20:54.40 | brlcad | there are plenty that will cause test failures |
| 20:54.56 | brlcad | "make benchmark" is a good validation |
| 20:55.17 | talcite | I see. Well there wasn't any problems with that |
| 20:55.21 | talcite | make install didn't go well either though |
| 20:55.25 | brlcad | running "mged" and having it start up a gui is a good validation |
| 20:55.38 | brlcad | make install didn't work? |
| 20:55.43 | talcite | nope |
| 20:55.50 | brlcad | need a lil more info :) |
| 20:55.52 | talcite | something about overwriting a file that it just created |
| 20:55.59 | talcite | just a sec |
| 20:57.08 | talcite | /usr/bin/install: will not overwrite just-created `/home/matthew/Download/temp/share/man/man3/librle.3' with `librle.3' |
| 20:57.33 | talcite | http://fpaste.org/paste/20314 |
| 20:59.13 | brlcad | looks |
| 21:00.53 | talcite | ok, I'll brb. I need a quick shower before I head out |
| 21:02.56 | brlcad | ahh, damn -- yeah that issue is fixed on head |
| 21:03.06 | brlcad | there's a duplicate entry for librle.3 in 7.14.8 |
| 21:04.28 | brlcad | talcite: can see starseeker's edit on 34667 at http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/other/libutahrle/Makefile.am?view=log to see the 'fix' |
| 21:13.20 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35388 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/clone.c: Modified ged_clone (v5 only) to return the name of the clone, as before, as well as a list of all cloned objects. |
| 21:14.29 | talcite | argh. I really need to learn how to use sourceforge better |
| 21:14.33 | talcite | I can't get a diff from it |
| 21:15.07 | talcite | their link to 'patch' gives me some text, but then you can't download from that URL |
| 21:16.11 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35389 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Added clone to Archer's undo framework. |
| 21:16.53 | louipc | seems to work for me |
| 21:19.34 | talcite | =S |
| 21:19.46 | talcite | blah ok, I need to try this later tonight. I've got to head out for a dinner |
| 21:37.44 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35390 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/3dm/3dm-g.cpp: All red for all regions is getting boring - make it random until we figure out if there is color info in there and how to extract it. |
| 21:44.55 | Ralith | starseeker: I'm told the performance issue is a direct result of makeCurrent, and thus rather unavoidable |
| 21:45.12 | Ralith | I have an idea for another approach that's just as good, though |
| 21:45.17 | Ralith | based on the overlay context |
| 21:45.21 | starseeker | cool |
| 21:45.36 | Ralith | it requires OpenGL impl. support but hopefully that's widespread |
| 21:50.14 | starseeker | ah, there we go - much better when it isn't all red: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/openmoko_subset.png |
| 21:52.29 | Ralith | oooh :D |
| 21:52.40 | Ralith | since when was NURBS so far along? |
| 21:53.25 | starseeker | a while back now - last major user visible enhancement was when I got the bounding box building to respect trims |
| 21:53.51 | Ralith | pretty nice |
| 21:54.02 | Ralith | what's with that USB port on the bottom of the shot though? |
| 21:54.18 | starseeker | the model as imported has a lot of overlaps |
| 21:54.32 | starseeker | not to mention geometry that doesn't seem to make sense as part of the phone |
| 21:54.48 | Ralith | so it's just oddly positioned in the source files? |
| 21:54.50 | starseeker | all we're doing right now in 3dm-g is sucking in each brep as a region |
| 21:54.55 | starseeker | I think so |
| 21:55.05 | Ralith | kk |
| 21:55.12 | starseeker | not totally sure |
| 21:55.23 | Ralith | could always break out whatever it is that uses 3dm natively |
| 21:55.38 | starseeker | Rhino |
| 21:55.54 | brlcad | starseeker: holy fuck, awesome |
| 21:56.03 | brlcad | pardon my language, that's freaking cool |
| 21:56.15 | starseeker | :-) |
| 21:56.23 | starseeker | here's the wireframe underlay: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/openmoko_underlay.png |
| 21:56.49 | starseeker | looks a heck of a lot better when it isn't all red |
| 21:57.06 | brlcad | great gallery shot |
| 21:57.09 | Ralith | ooh |
| 21:57.09 | Ralith | pretty |
| 21:57.12 | brlcad | should add an openmoko section |
| 21:57.22 | Ralith | yeah |
| 21:57.34 | starseeker | heh - start with the historical iges wireframe, and up to the present :-) |
| 21:57.38 | Ralith | so is the NURBS stuff considered to be largely stable? |
| 21:57.49 | brlcad | getting there |
| 21:58.07 | Ralith | looks very solid |
| 21:58.17 | brlcad | still working on improved import paths (3dm and step) |
| 21:58.24 | brlcad | but ray-tracing is looking pretty good |
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| 22:14.54 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35391 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/ (brlcad.inc scripts/7.14.txt scripts/generic.txt): Implement individual raytracing of models. |
| 23:12.57 | Ralith | brlcad: hm, none of my ideas are working out :/ |
| 23:13.14 | Ralith | I could just get lazy redraw working, minimizing heavy CPU usage to when smooth animation is taking place. |
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| 23:14.43 | Ralith | maybe I should just bite the bullet and wrap input |
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| 23:57.14 | Ralith | what's the easiest way to dig through past revisions' code? |
| 00:00.07 | Ralith | waaaaaaaait a minute |
| 00:00.09 | Ralith | compares performance |
| 00:04.09 | Ralith | brlcad: I'm not sure if this approach is actually so badly performing after all; I'm getting less than twicethe CPU usage of the non-embedded approach. |
| 00:04.36 | Ralith | I think perhaps I'll just slap lazy redraw in there and call it good ^^ |
| 00:11.00 | starseeker | thinks that sounds like a good idea |
| 00:11.37 | starseeker | if animation is taking place, you might be able to "special case" things... |
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| 00:23.47 | Ralith | ooh, idea |
| 00:24.19 | Ralith | a further optimization that could be made might be to only swap contexts when it's known for sure that Qt is going to render something |
| 00:31.04 | louipc | is this gonna require a core 2 quad? :P |
| 00:31.29 | Ralith | louipc: no, I'm running on an ancient single core athlon64 :P |
| 00:31.35 | louipc | awesoem |
| 00:33.05 | ``Erik | erm |
| 00:33.26 | Ralith | erm? |
| 00:33.28 | ``Erik | pets his 650mhz pIII, 850mhz athlon tbird and 1.2ghz athlon |
| 00:33.33 | Ralith | :P |
| 00:33.48 | ``Erik | I think one of the machines I use at work is 187mhz |
| 00:33.54 | Ralith | what for? |
| 00:33.56 | ``Erik | (ok, I use it as a bookend, but it's providing a useful service!) |
| 00:34.01 | Ralith | hehe. |
| 00:34.08 | ``Erik | keeps mah books from fallin' |
| 00:34.17 | Ralith | fortunately, I don't think BRL-CAD was ever expected to run on bookends. |
| 00:34.24 | ``Erik | um |
| 00:35.16 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD works(ed) on vax11/780 |
| 00:35.35 | ``Erik | I think it's original development was on a pdp-11 running 43BSD |
| 00:36.00 | Ralith | those weren't being used as bookends though ^^ |
| 00:36.26 | ``Erik | no, more like superginormous paperweights |
| 00:37.26 | ``Erik | just pushed a new core duo 3ghz box under his desk and dropped fbsd7.2 on it at work, was impressed with how fast that little thing is |
| 00:44.50 | Ralith | could do with one of those |
| 00:45.05 | Ralith | I'm long overdue for an upgrade |
| 00:49.25 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35392 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Minor optimization |
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| 02:30.21 | starseeker | Ralith: is Ogre set up for lazy redraw? |
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| 02:39.47 | mike111 | hi all |
| 02:40.46 | mike111 | can brlcad export in STEP format? |
| 02:43.32 | Ralith | starseeker: not yet, working on that. |
| 02:44.08 | Ralith | hm |
| 02:51.15 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35393 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (MainWindow.cxx OgreGLWidget.cxx): First (broken) attempt at lazy Ogre redraw. |
| 02:51.44 | starseeker | mike111: no, not yet |
| 02:54.23 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35394 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Scrapped unnecessary include |
| 02:56.23 | mike111 | starseeker: is there a way to output an `ars' shape in STL such that it surface (skin) is defined by a dense mesh?. |
| 02:56.49 | starseeker | try facetizing with really tight tolerances is the only thing that comes to mind |
| 02:57.10 | Ralith | starseeker: did you see the screenie I uploaded for brlcad this morning? |
| 02:57.20 | starseeker | yes - awesome! |
| 02:57.27 | mike111 | star: how do I do that |
| 02:57.39 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 02:58.08 | starseeker | check and see if the g-stl converter has options - brlman g-stl |
| 02:58.32 | starseeker | have to try a few and see if one gets you what you want |
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| 03:11.37 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35395 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ogre.cfg: Deleted the no-longer-necessary ogre.cfg |
| 03:28.14 | talcite | brlcad: I'm still having the same problem with librle being duplicated |
| 03:28.20 | talcite | the makefile.am only has 1 entry now though |
| 03:31.45 | talcite | err wait... do I need to run autogen.sh again? |
| 03:37.08 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35396 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Working, but flickery, lazy redraw. |
| 04:00.11 | talcite | hmm. I may have run into another make install bug. Even though I put the prefix as /home/matt/Download/temp, the tkhtml3 lib still tries to install in /usr/lib/tkhtml3 |
| 04:07.16 | talcite | that's kind of funky. Why is there both an exec_prefix and a prefix in the Makefile? |
| 04:07.45 | starseeker | talcite: there's something funky about it - it doesn't do that on a Mac, apparently |
| 04:08.03 | talcite | starseeker: did you use a prefix to configure it? |
| 04:08.07 | starseeker | yes |
| 04:08.11 | talcite | hmm |
| 04:08.20 | talcite | starseeker: http://fpaste.org/paste/20357 |
| 04:08.23 | starseeker | we need to revisit the tkhtml3 build process |
| 04:08.41 | starseeker | yeah |
| 04:08.50 | starseeker | has seen and heard of that before |
| 04:09.16 | talcite | hmmm |
| 04:09.27 | louipc | well, you just need to add something to auto detect tkhtml3 I think |
| 04:09.42 | starseeker | I need to discuss that with brlcad - there is a fundamental problem when installing a new tcl/tk package on a system tcl/tk install without permissions for that install's standard package directories |
| 04:09.59 | talcite | well the offending line is here: exec_prefix = /usr |
| 04:10.18 | starseeker | hmm |
| 04:10.22 | louipc | starseeker: yeah I tried alpha16 vs CVS. CVS works while alpha16 doesn't hehe |
| 04:10.23 | starseeker | pulls up the makefile |
| 04:10.36 | talcite | 72 in src/other/tkhtml3 |
| 04:10.46 | starseeker | yeah, tkhtml3 isn't what you'd call actively developed |
| 04:11.15 | talcite | starseeker: so wait, what's the problem with tkhtml3 anyways? It's not already included in this system |
| 04:11.22 | louipc | talcite: hah permission denied! funky.. |
| 04:11.27 | talcite | yup |
| 04:11.31 | louipc | oooh I see |
| 04:11.44 | talcite | louipc: and it should be denied. I don't want it to put it in /usr/lib |
| 04:11.47 | starseeker | talcite: what do you mean? |
| 04:11.48 | louipc | right |
| 04:12.06 | louipc | hmm I hadn't had troubles building it bundled before though |
| 04:12.15 | talcite | starseeker: you mentioned earlier that there's a problem with using a new tcl/tk package, but tkhtml3 isn't installed |
| 04:12.22 | starseeker | tkhtml3 is attempting to use the TEA extensions to build like a "normal" tcl/tk package |
| 04:12.28 | talcite | oh |
| 04:12.58 | starseeker | naturally, if you're using a system tcl/tk it's going to try to install it where it needs to to make "package require Tkhtml 3.0" work |
| 04:13.25 | talcite | oh I get it |
| 04:13.37 | talcite | hmm. so that's why the prefix didn't work |
| 04:13.57 | talcite | crap. How am I supposed to test this out then? =/ |
| 04:14.05 | starseeker | so what needs to happen, in theory, is to have a local additional directory where we can install tcl/tk packages and then point the wish/bwish guys to |
| 04:14.32 | starseeker | talcite: can you install tkhtml3 separately from brlcad? |
| 04:14.51 | starseeker | and get it in the system tcl/tk? |
| 04:14.55 | talcite | starseeker: that's what I'm looking to do right now. I don't know if there's a package that already exists though |
| 04:15.09 | starseeker | or, alternately, just do --enable-all and use a local tcl/tk for BRL-CAD |
| 04:15.34 | starseeker | has a system tcl/tk install but always uses --enable-all - it's just easier |
| 04:16.17 | starseeker | originally had hacked it together to build like tkimg currently does, but I got chased off of that approach |
| 04:16.18 | talcite | starseeker: hmm. It might be, but I think that would be basis for the repo maintainers to block the package |
| 04:16.48 | starseeker | talcite: I know. The gentoo guys went around and around and around with that one |
| 04:16.57 | talcite | =/ |
| 04:17.08 | starseeker | can you make a tkhtml3 package and get that accepted? |
| 04:17.33 | Ralith | talcite: for the sake of the USB image you *could* just uninstall system TCL for a bit :P |
| 04:17.47 | louipc | silly policies |
| 04:17.54 | talcite | Ralith: yeah, the usb image is no problem. I can blow away system tcl/tk |
| 04:18.01 | talcite | Ralith: repos, not so much unfortunately |
| 04:18.09 | starseeker | louipc: Oh, I understand why they do it but the problem with them is it's an "all or nothing" result |
| 04:18.28 | talcite | starseeker: maybe. It looks like a tkhtml rpm existed at one point, but was dropped though |
| 04:18.58 | starseeker | with something like BRL-CAD, which has patches to tcl/tk that we KNOW we need and that the main trunk hasn't incorporated yet (or even if they have, the package on the system is two versions behind)... |
| 04:19.09 | starseeker | talcite: mm, figures |
| 04:19.29 | louipc | I think talcite is fairly up to date |
| 04:19.41 | louipc | he's got gcc 4.4.0 after all |
| 04:19.47 | starseeker | louipc: I was thinking system tcl/tk |
| 04:19.48 | talcite | well Fedora isn't usually a problem for these kinds of things. F11 is pretty recent |
| 04:20.12 | talcite | yeah, I'm on tcl8.5, not 8.6 |
| 04:20.18 | louipc | OH |
| 04:20.21 | louipc | odd |
| 04:20.29 | talcite | it's the most recent in the fedora repos |
| 04:20.42 | starseeker | they usually run a version or so back |
| 04:20.57 | starseeker | has had tcl/tk upgrades bust things - usually they want to be a bit careful |
| 04:21.16 | starseeker | which makes sense, but leaves us high and dry if we NEED something in the newest version |
| 04:21.35 | louipc | I guess 8.6 was a bit special, but it's been out for awhile though... |
| 04:21.37 | talcite | yeah. I don't think they make major upgrades unless the distro version is changing, i.e. F11 to F12 |
| 04:21.46 | starseeker | and we do tweak the default tcl/tk trees, it's an adventure every time we upgrade and try to be sure we re-merge all the changes |
| 04:21.52 | talcite | you need someone to sponsor the update afaik |
| 04:22.19 | talcite | =/ why do we make all these custom changes? does the trunk not provide enough functionality? |
| 04:23.05 | louipc | so looks like you have to bundle everything |
| 04:23.05 | starseeker | checks the tcl/tk revision history... been a while... |
| 04:23.23 | starseeker | well, you CAN run system and it will usually work |
| 04:23.48 | louipc | or you could go back in time and package an old brl-cad release... |
| 04:23.53 | louipc | which sucks |
| 04:24.16 | talcite | I'd rather not do that |
| 04:24.37 | louipc | heh that's the nature of static release distros |
| 04:25.47 | starseeker | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/?view=log |
| 04:27.45 | starseeker | so from 33769 to 33872 was the upgrade struggle, and tweaks have been needed since |
| 04:28.15 | louipc | ack I was thinking of 8.4 - 8.5 is good. sorry for the mix up |
| 04:29.59 | talcite | starseeker: but that's already been released in 7.14.8 right? |
| 04:30.02 | starseeker | the next round will probably be similar |
| 04:30.05 | talcite | wasn't it released in may? |
| 04:30.13 | starseeker | talcite: which, 8.5? yeah |
| 04:31.24 | starseeker | makes note to self - next time tcl/tk is upgraded, check in the vanilla tree and apply the changes so one clean diff can be had from our own svn archives... |
| 04:31.35 | talcite | haha |
| 04:31.44 | louipc | talcite: is it ok if tkhtml3 is installed in /usr in a brl-cad package? |
| 04:32.09 | talcite | louipc: yeah. It shouldn't be a problem. tkhtml3 isn't currently in fedora |
| 04:32.18 | talcite | louipc: wait, you mean in /usr, or /usr/brlcad/? |
| 04:32.42 | starseeker | if we install in /usr/brlcad/ we need to teach tcl/tk how to look in there properly |
| 04:32.50 | louipc | /usr/lib/Tkhtml3.0 |
| 04:33.01 | talcite | maybe. Let me ask the fedora devs |
| 04:33.08 | starseeker | is not sure how to do that, or he would have fixed it already |
| 04:33.41 | louipc | because that's how my package worked anyways, but it would conflict if I wanted to do a separate tkhtml3 package |
| 04:34.42 | talcite | what's tkhtml3 used for anyways? |
| 04:34.47 | louipc | all you should need to do is ./configure --with-tcl=/usr/lib --with-tk=/usr/lib |
| 04:34.53 | starseeker | must admit tkhtml3 seems like a less hot idea now... liked the sound of potentially having css support, but not sure it's worth this trouble |
| 04:35.09 | starseeker | talcite: the new mged help system |
| 04:35.11 | louipc | talcite: fancy man page browsing in mged |
| 04:35.28 | talcite | =S man page browsing? I didn't even build the documentation because there's a bug in fop |
| 04:35.39 | talcite | =/ |
| 04:35.40 | louipc | screw the pdfs |
| 04:35.49 | starseeker | if you got html output that's plenty |
| 04:35.52 | louipc | man page and html are good enough |
| 04:36.04 | talcite | ? oh the documentation gets built anyways, even if --disable-documentation is set? |
| 04:36.07 | talcite | just not pdfs? |
| 04:36.37 | starseeker | not sure. I originally intended to have an option to speifically disable pdf building, but I don't know if it got in... |
| 04:36.59 | louipc | that'd be a good idea |
| 04:37.10 | starseeker | it won't try pdfs if it doesn't find fop... |
| 04:37.17 | talcite | hmm |
| 04:37.26 | talcite | it was a fop NPE |
| 04:38.42 | talcite | oh well. Are there any alternatives for tkhml3? |
| 04:38.52 | talcite | or would that be a pretty long-term solution? |
| 04:39.18 | louipc | man is the alternative hehe |
| 04:39.35 | starseeker | well, even if we pull in another one it still comes down to the issue of wanting to use TEA building of a package with a system tcl/tk and no system install permissions |
| 04:39.47 | starseeker | it's a fundamental issue, not specific to tkhtml3 |
| 04:39.55 | starseeker | that just happens to be the first time we hit it |
| 04:39.56 | talcite | I see |
| 04:40.19 | talcite | what about louipc's solution with --with-tkhtml=blah |
| 04:40.22 | starseeker | there may be a "clean" solution, but if so I haven't found it yet |
| 04:41.40 | starseeker | talcite: you mean point to a pre-installed but non-system tkhtml3? |
| 04:41.53 | talcite | yeah |
| 04:42.20 | talcite | err, is there a reason why you need write access to the tcl stuff anyways? how does TEA work? |
| 04:42.39 | starseeker | that's a good question |
| 04:42.48 | starseeker | has never been fully comfortable with it |
| 04:42.50 | louipc | is tea a separate package from tcl or something? |
| 04:43.07 | starseeker | no, it's an extension to makefile logic specifically for tcl |
| 04:43.18 | talcite | =_= really? |
| 04:43.19 | talcite | oh man |
| 04:43.24 | starseeker | http://www.tcl.tk/doc/tea/ |
| 04:43.28 | louipc | hmmm |
| 04:43.39 | talcite | we could build TEA from the tcl sources for the distro |
| 04:43.45 | talcite | the srpms are certainly available |
| 04:44.11 | starseeker | no, it's an m4 file we include in our makefile logic, iirc |
| 04:44.14 | starseeker | it's not a package |
| 04:44.20 | louipc | but the config was --with-tcl, --with-tk, and I didn't have a problem building a package then |
| 04:44.29 | starseeker | the point is what using the TEA logic in our makefile forces us to do |
| 04:44.53 | starseeker | doesn't know if some sort of "install locally here and notify bwish how we want to start" is enough |
| 04:44.59 | starseeker | or possible even |
| 04:45.16 | starseeker | must sleep, back later |
| 04:45.47 | talcite | ahh ok |
| 04:45.47 | starseeker | louipc: you mean with system tcl/tk? |
| 04:45.51 | louipc | yeah |
| 04:46.03 | starseeker | which package were you building? |
| 04:46.10 | louipc | brl-cad |
| 04:46.11 | talcite | I just heard back from the fedora devs. No go on packaging tkhtml3 unless we get it included upstream |
| 04:46.25 | talcite | err well, not no go, it's just unlikely |
| 04:46.29 | louipc | alright |
| 04:46.41 | louipc | so you need to stick it in /usr/brlcad then eh |
| 04:46.50 | louipc | back to the beginning of the debate :D |
| 04:47.03 | starseeker | how do other packages handle it when they need to install program specific tcl packages not part of the system install? |
| 04:47.06 | talcite | separately I mean. Yeah. we'll need to have it somewhere within the brlcad stuff if possible |
| 04:47.21 | talcite | starseeker: that's a good question. Let me ask |
| 04:50.43 | talcite | starseeker: their advice is to work upstream on it. There's no one there right now who has had experience working on TEA |
| 04:50.56 | louipc | talcite: what does `grep PATH /usr/lib/tclConfig.sh` say? |
| 04:50.57 | talcite | can we get our patches ported into tcl/tkhtml3? |
| 04:51.51 | talcite | grep PATH /usr/lib64/tclConfig.sh |
| 04:51.51 | talcite | TCL_PACKAGE_PATH='/usr/lib64/tcl8.5 /usr/lib64/tk8.5 /usr/lib/tcl8.5 /usr/lib/tk8.5 /usr/share/tcl8.5 ' |
| 04:51.51 | talcite | TCL_BUILD_STUB_LIB_PATH='/usr/lib64/libtclstub8.5.a' |
| 04:51.51 | talcite | TCL_STUB_LIB_PATH='/usr/lib64/libtclstub8.5.a' |
| 04:52.02 | louipc | cool |
| 04:53.22 | talcite | so just to be clear. We're applying patches to tcl, AND tkhtml3? or just tcl? |
| 04:53.36 | talcite | and also, is tkhtml3 still maintained? The page look very old |
| 04:59.42 | louipc | it's not really maintained |
| 05:01.44 | talcite | darn |
| 05:23.23 | talcite | oh man. I just read the fedora packaging guidelines |
| 05:24.00 | talcite | no static libs without explicit permission from the fedora steering committee. And they avoid it very much so |
| 05:25.07 | talcite | I'll need to package the rest of the libs as well =S |
| 05:25.56 | louipc | even the really obscure ones? hah |
| 05:26.43 | talcite | louipc: yeah. It's a security thing |
| 05:27.01 | louipc | hmm |
| 05:27.03 | talcite | static linked libs mean that the entire program needs to be recompiled if there's a bug found in one of them |
| 05:27.27 | louipc | yeah |
| 05:27.36 | talcite | plus, you need to stay current on the mailing lists for those static libs to check for security releases |
| 05:27.42 | louipc | well they're not statically linked I don't think |
| 05:27.46 | louipc | just bundled |
| 05:28.13 | talcite | hmm... well I think they pretty much mean any libs that aren't managed with a package |
| 05:29.59 | louipc | hmm I guess you should tack on -brlcad on the end of them to signify it's from the brlcad tree |
| 05:30.14 | louipc | opennurbs is heavily modified for example |
| 05:31.25 | louipc | yeah brlcad is a packaging challenge if you want to do it 'right' |
| 05:31.40 | talcite | =/ maybe I should have chosen an easier package for my first time =/ |
| 05:31.51 | louipc | definitely |
| 05:31.57 | talcite | why is opennurbs so heavily modified? |
| 05:32.13 | talcite | have the patches been submitted back to the trunk? |
| 05:33.06 | louipc | I don't think so, but they didn't seem very friendly to collaboration |
| 05:33.43 | talcite | louipc: not even if it means they get packaged into a major distro? |
| 05:34.36 | louipc | maybe you have a better way with people than me :D try sending a message to the newsgroup |
| 05:36.36 | louipc | you have to give them an email to download the zip file because it's password protected, they don't host a cvs tree, they don't even have an opt-out on the web site after you've put in your email |
| 05:37.52 | louipc | open my foot :/ |
| 05:38.16 | Ralith | 'open' is good PR these days :P |
| 05:38.57 | Ralith | at least they don't have misleading licensing, I guess? |
| 05:39.22 | talcite | wait really? oh man |
| 05:39.22 | talcite | is it GPL compatible licensed? |
| 05:40.16 | louipc | it's akin to public domain licensed |
| 05:40.31 | talcite | I'd hope not... It can't get included in fedora unless it has an approved license |
| 05:41.18 | louipc | http://www.opennurbs.org/ |
| 05:42.37 | louipc | if you say fedora is interested maybe they'll perk up heh |
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| 05:44.48 | Ralith | talcite_: you're saying public domain isn't an "approved license"? |
| 05:44.49 | talcite_ | Ralith: they don't explicitly say public domain on their site I think |
| 05:45.11 | Ralith | so? |
| 05:45.14 | Ralith | it's public domain |
| 05:45.22 | louipc | wtfpl |
| 05:45.23 | Ralith | that's as friendly as it gets |
| 05:45.35 | louipc | you can take it and stick GPL on it pretty much |
| 05:45.38 | louipc | if you want |
| 05:46.11 | louipc | I would interpret opennurbs-brlcad as BSD |
| 05:46.29 | talcite_ | is it wtfpl though? There needs to be a license file distributed with the package |
| 05:47.05 | louipc | it says the same thing in the source package that it does on the site |
| 05:47.09 | louipc | 'no restrictions' |
| 05:48.03 | talcite_ | oh ok |
| 05:56.14 | talcite | argh! opennurbs uses their own zlib |
| 05:56.19 | talcite | this is pretty ridiculous |
| 05:56.48 | louipc | use opennurbs from brlcad |
| 05:57.04 | louipc | it's pretty much required |
| 05:58.27 | talcite | hmm. I don't know what the fedora maintainers will do about not having an active upstream maintainer on opennurbs |
| 05:58.36 | talcite | unless... would you guys want to fork opennurbs? |
| 05:58.40 | louipc | that will probably need patching to be friendly for packaging though |
| 05:58.57 | louipc | I think it's effectively forked hah |
| 05:59.05 | talcite | haha so make it official then |
| 05:59.17 | louipc | just not maintained separately from brlcad itself |
| 06:00.42 | talcite | is it possible to make it so? Just make it a new tracker and start from there |
| 06:01.28 | talcite | I can create a package from opennurbs no problem I think, but I'll have to specify a project maintainer in the rpm spec and also for the package maintainers |
| 06:05.55 | louipc | I don't think a new tracker is necessary, maybe just a self contained build system |
| 06:06.21 | louipc | like I hear kde has for each of it's little apps |
| 06:06.31 | louipc | but they can also all be built together |
| 06:10.38 | talcite | hmm. that's a pretty cool option |
| 06:11.31 | talcite | well... we kind of do have a self-contained build system already don't we? |
| 06:15.31 | louipc | well, I haven't really tried, but it's not a simple ./configure && make if you visit the opennurbs dir |
| 06:15.47 | talcite | hmm |
| 06:15.58 | talcite | there's an autotools template there already |
| 06:20.56 | talcite | hmm this is a problem. I don't know if it's actually possible to move openNurbs outside of the package |
| 06:21.30 | talcite | there's a lot of compile options that seem to be passed from the parent, meaning we're going to have trouble if they're different between different packages |
| 06:22.46 | louipc | yeah it would need some work |
| 06:22.52 | talcite | sigh. Maybe I'll just ask brlcad about it tomorrow. I'm also going to have to see if I can convince the fedora devs to just let us put the package in, as long as we use dynamic linked libs and keep them local |
| 06:39.47 | louipc | yeah I think this is something that hinders brl-cad from being adopted by any distro. maybe if it could be packaged properly, then it would be adopted and maybe get more attention overall. |
| 06:41.06 | louipc | someone's gotta have a lot of gumption to get over all the hurdles |
| 06:44.31 | talcite | alright, I'm going to call it an early (heh) night. I want to be up early enough to get in touch with brlcad and the fedora devs |
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| 11:02.15 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35397 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/cianotify/ (. cianotify.info cianotify.module): cianotify custom module initial update (many more features than the proof of concept version sent to Sean). |
| 11:02.55 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35398 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/ (brlcad.info brlcad.module): Add log message after model processing. |
| 14:28.11 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35399 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: |
| 14:28.12 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Added command line argument for manual data entry mode (-m) for entering sizes/lengths for all |
| 14:28.14 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: parts of the human. Also reworked auto mode to be compatable with this. |
| 14:34.47 | brlcad | a little bit of misinformation last night.. |
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| 14:36.45 | brlcad | opennurbs has fairly minor modifications that mostly amount to compilation portability, there are some logic additions but we could probably refactor them if the project ever took upon a life of its own |
| 14:37.13 | brlcad | as it is, we have provided back upstream the non-logic changes (and regularly do so for tcl/tk as well, which also has build tweaks) |
| 14:38.26 | brlcad | tkhtml3 is just a bit of a bitch in its own right -- we have to figure out how to coerce it to install where we install |
| 14:38.56 | brlcad | but also non-critical -- we can turn it off if we have to (especially if it means a go or no-go on fedora integration) |
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| 14:43.11 | brlcad | howdy talcite |
| 14:47.38 | talcite | hey brlcad |
| 14:48.35 | talcite | So there was a lot of discussion going on last night, plus some potential problems with make install again. Let me chat a bit with the fedora devs to see if can get some exceptions for us |
| 14:49.33 | talcite | essentially, the main problem right now is that the fedora policy is to not use any static libs, eliminate all libtool archives, and avoid packaging dynamic libs together as one package |
| 14:49.58 | talcite | I'll see what I can do. I don't think they'll budge on static libs or the libtool archives |
| 14:51.59 | brlcad | yeah, i saw the backlog.. and just finished commenting a min before you entered :) |
| 14:52.36 | talcite | ahh cool. Do we have an irc log? |
| 14:52.50 | brlcad | we do, but it gets posted daily |
| 14:53.01 | talcite | oh ok |
| 14:53.06 | brlcad | we can disable tkhtml if push comes to shove, it's not a critical component |
| 14:53.14 | talcite | ahh ok |
| 14:53.52 | brlcad | aware of the out-of-dir install problem but it's not readily within our control to change it without gutting tkhtml3's build system |
| 14:54.08 | brlcad | which is an option too that we were talking about just yesterday |
| 14:54.41 | brlcad | since it's a proper tcl extension, using TEA, I'd kinda like to avoid that, but it requires some build system massaging |
| 14:54.53 | talcite | I've been thinking about it as well. tkhtml3 doesn't modify any existing packages does it? It just writes to existing directories to update a registry or something? |
| 14:55.00 | brlcad | maybe as simple as passing a few subconfigure flags |
| 14:55.21 | talcite | there's an --exec-prefix flag that it follows |
| 14:55.54 | brlcad | yeah, nothing so complex -- the issue is mainly that it gets all of its installation preferences from whichever tcl it's building against |
| 14:56.09 | brlcad | and since you have it using a system tcl, it wants to install there so it's auto-located |
| 14:56.14 | talcite | ahh.. |
| 14:56.26 | brlcad | not a problem, just a bit messy to override potentially |
| 14:56.48 | brlcad | or as simple as .. |
| 14:59.43 | talcite | brlcad: ok so that sounds good. What about building each library as a separate package? How entrenched are they right now? |
| 15:02.06 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35400 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: tell tkhtml3 to install into our prefix. this may screw with users that want a specific --exec-prefix separate from prefix (not that we support that configuration). |
| 15:02.12 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 15:03.04 | brlcad | talcite: have you tried manually specifying --exec-prefix=prefix ? that should propagate and apply to tkhtml3 |
| 15:03.38 | brlcad | presuming you meant each of our libraries as a separate package, yes thought about that a lot |
| 15:03.42 | talcite | brlcad: yup, I tried specifying it, but it also breaks some other packages. tkhtml3 isn't the only one that listens to --exec-prefix I think |
| 15:03.51 | talcite | brlcad: yup, that's what I meant |
| 15:04.03 | brlcad | we have about two dozen libraries |
| 15:04.18 | brlcad | internal, not counting our bundled external deps |
| 15:04.52 | talcite | brlcad: I think internal libs are ok. If you're the maintainer for them, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 15:04.57 | brlcad | we also have about 400 binaries, many of which are similarly valuable as a stand-alone distribution as well |
| 15:05.09 | talcite | whoa |
| 15:05.34 | brlcad | you realize you picked a package about as complex as X11 to work on integrating? :) |
| 15:05.57 | talcite | haha well it's worth a shot I suppose. Good practice |
| 15:06.08 | brlcad | 25 years development, million+ lines of code .. lots of complexities :) |
| 15:06.19 | brlcad | it's certainly doable |
| 15:06.33 | talcite | I need to package this in one way or another for the reprap project, but I'd like to also have it carry over into fedora anyways |
| 15:06.37 | brlcad | we resolved most of the major issues over the past few years while working towards gentoo integration |
| 15:06.46 | talcite | ahh |
| 15:06.50 | brlcad | our portage integration tracker item is like four years old |
| 15:07.27 | brlcad | we used to have full-on modifications/extensions to tk years ago that made us require our version .. fortunately no longer the case |
| 15:07.43 | brlcad | plus there were many assumptions about installing into an isolated root |
| 15:08.06 | brlcad | also taken care of, even run-time relocation should work now |
| 15:08.26 | talcite | hmm. Yeah, we'll definitely need to use the system libs whenever possible |
| 15:09.00 | brlcad | understandably, hence --disable-all :) |
| 15:09.22 | brlcad | they're only bundled for convenience at that, to make the task a lot easier for users |
| 15:09.29 | brlcad | auto-detecting nearly everything |
| 15:10.00 | talcite | I see. Yeah the build process is definitely really convenient if you don't mind using the bundled libs |
| 15:10.16 | brlcad | talcite: so one thing I'd suggest is flipping over to an SVN checkout, and seeing if we can work through these issues one at a time |
| 15:10.26 | brlcad | then we can tag a release for you to use |
| 15:10.46 | brlcad | yeah, especially given how some of the deps are common, others are obscure |
| 15:10.55 | talcite | that sounds good to me. |
| 15:10.56 | brlcad | openNURBS being a classic example |
| 15:11.50 | brlcad | which is under a trivial license as I see you noticed (commenting on last night's discussion) |
| 15:12.05 | talcite | I don't know if we actually need to abstract out openNURBS |
| 15:12.06 | brlcad | it's not public domain, but about as liberal a license as I've ever seen |
| 15:12.11 | brlcad | you shouldn't |
| 15:12.17 | brlcad | it's very obscure |
| 15:12.27 | talcite | yeah. And we've made lots of changes to it I've heard |
| 15:12.32 | talcite | effectively forking it |
| 15:12.42 | brlcad | actually only minor changes, mostly build system portability fixes |
| 15:12.49 | brlcad | (which we do continuously push upstream) |
| 15:12.49 | talcite | oh ok |
| 15:13.34 | brlcad | we do presently have some minor logic changes that we'd have to back out, but nothing too drastic |
| 15:13.56 | brlcad | that said, there's still not really a community supporting it -- just devs ad mcneal and assoc. |
| 15:14.00 | brlcad | s/ad/at/ |
| 15:14.46 | brlcad | the logic mods we need/want, they're very intentionally not interested in supporting (as they have a commercial product they sell that does exactly what we've implemented) |
| 15:15.03 | talcite | haha I see |
| 15:15.29 | brlcad | so we have those mods separated out "mostly" (99%) in our libs |
| 15:15.42 | brlcad | just a few from when we first started were applied directy and never backed out |
| 15:19.24 | talcite | so where does that leave us right now? I'm checking out an SVN copy right now, and we need to get everything to use system libs if they exist, then I'll submit a request for review by the repo maintainers. How does that sound? |
| 15:19.44 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35401 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Reworked the makearmy command to prevent person overlapping with custom settings. |
| 15:20.11 | brlcad | that sounds good to me -- of the list in src/other which are already in fedora? |
| 15:20.24 | talcite | the request will probably come back with a lot of comments on changes we need to make, but it's probably the only good way forward. The fedora devs are having trouble saying what we can and can't do without seeing the actual code |
| 15:20.26 | brlcad | antoher consideration is installation location |
| 15:20.43 | talcite | libpng, libregex, tcl, tk |
| 15:20.54 | brlcad | for what it's worth, one of the fedora devs was working on integration at one point |
| 15:21.00 | talcite | yup, install location I'm working on right now. It looks like the rpm specfile has a bit of handling in that |
| 15:21.10 | brlcad | more than a year ago, iirc |
| 15:21.12 | talcite | ahh |
| 15:21.37 | brlcad | just an FYI, some of them should be aware of our specific situation |
| 15:21.52 | brlcad | the biggest issue on installation location is naming conflicts and isolatability |
| 15:22.17 | brlcad | we have ancient libs that predate other folks, but conflict with other high-profile libs |
| 15:22.19 | talcite | hmm I never mentioned that I was working on brlcad to them. I'll mention it next time I get a chance to talk to them I guess |
| 15:22.37 | brlcad | just those four deps? I'm sure there are others :) |
| 15:22.46 | talcite | yup, I was configuring to get the list =D |
| 15:23.08 | talcite | tcl, tk, itcl/itk, iwidgets, libpng, libregex, zlib |
| 15:23.30 | brlcad | i would expect: boost, libpng, libtermlib, libz, tk, incrtcl, libregex, and tcl |
| 15:24.08 | talcite | boost? hmm |
| 15:24.17 | brlcad | boost isn't so important -- all header files |
| 15:24.26 | talcite | yeah |
| 15:25.29 | talcite | libtermlib isn't in fedora for some reason |
| 15:27.26 | brlcad | it is, just isn't called that :) |
| 15:27.33 | brlcad | termio/curses work |
| 15:28.00 | brlcad | termcap |
| 15:28.17 | talcite | ahh |
| 15:28.17 | brlcad | terminfo |
| 15:28.19 | brlcad | tinfo |
| 15:28.25 | brlcad | the thing has tons of names :) |
| 15:28.36 | brlcad | probably standard system lib |
| 15:29.10 | brlcad | termlib is just the original/old bsd name for it, and is a nice stable base that lets us continue to support really old systems |
| 15:29.19 | brlcad | *really* old systems :) |
| 15:31.02 | talcite | oh I see |
| 15:31.14 | talcite | it's called libtermcap in fedora |
| 15:57.55 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35402 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Update combWrapper to call createWrapper or gedWrapper. Added comb, g and r to Archer's undo framework. |
| 16:12.38 | talcite | argh. I've run into the XVisualInfo bug again |
| 16:12.46 | talcite | and this time autogen.sh didn't help |
| 16:26.50 | talcite | brlcad: can we do something to fix this up this XVisualInfo bug? I'm pretty sure it's still the same thing with autogen not running tests properly |
| 16:27.04 | talcite | The weird thing is that it worked on the 7.14.8, but doesn't work on trunk now |
| 16:27.14 | brlcad | talcite: there were two issues, needing to run autogen.sh and the cache not being invalidated |
| 16:27.28 | talcite | brlcad: ahh yes, the cache |
| 16:28.02 | brlcad | i'm still working on the cache issue, but you can --cache-file=/dev/null |
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| 16:30.01 | talcite | brlcad: hmm. I cleared the cache, but it didn't help |
| 16:30.13 | brlcad | pastebin? |
| 16:30.26 | brlcad | configure output, config.log, make log |
| 16:30.42 | talcite | sure |
| 16:30.51 | brlcad | my change yesterday might not have helped |
| 16:31.00 | brlcad | maybe made it worse |
| 16:31.40 | talcite | make -> http://fpaste.org/paste/20382 |
| 16:34.38 | brlcad | yeah, need config.log |
| 16:34.48 | brlcad | it's the HAVE_X11_XLIB_H check |
| 16:37.26 | talcite | brlcad: http://fpaste.org/paste/20384 |
| 16:40.01 | brlcad | huh |
| 16:40.10 | brlcad | grep HAVE_X11 include/brlcad_config.h |
| 16:40.47 | talcite | brlcad: nothing |
| 16:42.21 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35403 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Added the "c" command to Archer's undo framework. |
| 16:44.05 | talcite | heh the entire #define for the HAVE_X11_XLIB_H is missing |
| 16:50.25 | ``Erik | tries --with-x11=/path/to/X |
| 16:51.06 | brlcad | huh |
| 16:51.12 | ``Erik | (looks like all the X checks are now buried in a $bc_with_x11) |
| 16:51.29 | brlcad | ``Erik: it's doing the check, in his log |
| 16:51.40 | brlcad | just AC_CHECK_HEADER isn't setting HAVE* for some reason |
| 16:51.49 | ``Erik | oh, I'm chasing down the issues myself, getting them on my lappie |
| 16:51.59 | ``Erik | haven't even looked at the pastebin :) |
| 16:52.52 | talcite | brlcad: The #define is missing within the autoconf template. Is that a change that happened moving to svn trunk? |
| 16:53.05 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35404 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: try AC_CHECK_HEADERS instead to get the HAVE define |
| 16:53.07 | brlcad | talcite: try that |
| 16:53.12 | brlcad | (svn up) |
| 16:53.22 | talcite | yup |
| 16:57.14 | jdoliner | i'm pretty sure that worked for me brlcad |
| 16:58.34 | talcite | looks like it works |
| 17:01.43 | brlcad | cool |
| 17:01.46 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35405 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/bot.c: Throw some escapes in so GCC will quit complaning that '???' is not a valid trigraph. |
| 17:01.58 | brlcad | who would have thought one 'S' was so important |
| 17:02.06 | talcite | heh |
| 17:02.50 | jdoliner | yup ran great for me |
| 17:02.52 | jdoliner | commit time |
| 17:04.37 | ``Erik | ah heh, or explicitely putting the defines in AC_CHECK_HEADER |
| 17:04.51 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35406 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: Chased down a couple of bugs, intersection now runs succussfully on two intersecting nurbs surfaces |
| 17:05.31 | brlcad | cool jdoliner :) |
| 17:05.38 | brlcad | so what's the result? |
| 17:05.44 | brlcad | an evaluated trimmed surface? |
| 17:05.49 | brlcad | untrimmed? |
| 17:05.53 | brlcad | just the intersection curve? |
| 17:06.02 | jdoliner | right now just the intersection curve |
| 17:07.14 | jdoliner | so that commit message might make things seem a bit more exciting than they are |
| 17:07.34 | talcite | include/dm-rtgl.h:63: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before âGLXContextâ |
| 17:07.47 | jdoliner | 0:) |
| 17:07.49 | talcite | looks like another failed include somewhere |
| 17:09.45 | ``Erik | missing GL/glx.h ? |
| 17:10.03 | talcite | maybe. Why is it being built though? I'm not using ogl |
| 17:11.40 | louipc | all your stuff is in /lib64 yeah? |
| 17:12.03 | talcite | ahh... yes |
| 17:12.51 | talcite | it's strange. I never ran into this build error on the 7.14.8 release. It just wasn't being compiled I think |
| 17:14.20 | talcite | wait a minute |
| 17:18.27 | talcite | so what changed that we now need glx.h? |
| 17:18.41 | talcite | I didn't have the libs before, that's probably what caused the problem |
| 17:20.00 | talcite | looks like it works again |
| 17:42.52 | brlcad | talcite: hm, it shouldn't be compiling dm-frtgl |
| 17:43.34 | talcite | brlcad: not sure what to say, it did for some reason |
| 17:48.35 | talcite | brlcad: if it helps: http://pastebin.com/d2b63bbb3 config.log |
| 17:48.43 | talcite | fpaste.org broke =P |
| 17:49.15 | brlcad | i can't get to pastebin.com from here |
| 17:49.21 | brlcad | ~bzpaste |
| 17:49.22 | ibot | from memory, bzpaste is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 17:52.19 | brlcad | try this: grep RTGL src/libdm/Makefile |
| 17:52.42 | talcite | DM_RTGL_CFLAGS = |
| 17:52.42 | talcite | #DM_RTGL_CFLAGS = -DDM_RTGL -DIF_RTGL $(GL_CPPFLAGS) |
| 17:52.42 | talcite | DM_RTGL_LIBS = |
| 17:52.42 | talcite | #DM_RTGL_LIBS = ${LIBGL} |
| 17:52.42 | talcite | ${DM_RTGL_CFLAGS} \ |
| 17:52.43 | talcite | ${DM_RTGL_LIBS} |
| 17:52.53 | talcite | brlcad: I can't get the bzflag one working. It says forbidden |
| 17:53.07 | ``Erik | 1/clear |
| 17:53.09 | brlcad | huh, okay well that's even more odd .. rtgl is turned off |
| 17:53.29 | brlcad | show the make output leading up to that include/dm-rtgl.h error? |
| 17:54.19 | talcite | err. it's gone =/ |
| 17:54.26 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:54.33 | talcite | I could bring it back, one sec |
| 17:54.36 | brlcad | lies! |
| 17:54.48 | talcite | I'll just yum erase glx.h =P |
| 17:57.03 | talcite | damn firefox keeps dying on me |
| 17:57.26 | brlcad | more than likely that was either some stale build issue or is something minor that will get caught during release testing |
| 17:57.38 | brlcad | seeing how you're on unreleased trunk at the moment |
| 17:58.39 | talcite | probably. I'll help you track it down though |
| 17:58.51 | talcite | I can't stay for too much longer though. I really should go in to the lab today |
| 17:59.29 | brlcad | dm-rtgl is an experimental interface being worked on now, it shouldn't be enabled |
| 18:01.20 | talcite | brlcad: here you go: http://paste2.org/p/349572 |
| 18:02.12 | brlcad | yeah, that says it's disabled |
| 18:02.24 | talcite | heh. alright. |
| 18:02.35 | talcite | well my make is chugging along. It should hit the glx.h thing soon |
| 18:03.00 | talcite | maybe time to invest in more ram/cpu and a ssd =P |
| 18:05.32 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:06.25 | brlcad | shouldn't hit a glx.h error either, opengl is disabled (and it should be) |
| 18:14.05 | talcite | hmm.. it gave a different error |
| 18:14.14 | talcite | guess it was lies after all =P |
| 18:15.17 | talcite | alright. So it builds, albeit with a couple funky packages. Not really a worry, like you said, it'll get removed at release |
| 18:15.37 | talcite | I'll have it compile and then give packaging a shot |
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| 18:34.31 | brlcad | talcite: word of caution, do not set prefix to /usr |
| 18:34.53 | talcite | haha yeah, I saw that in the FAQ. I shall avoid it |
| 18:34.57 | louipc | hehe |
| 18:34.57 | brlcad | the conflicts I spoke of earlier are potentially devastating |
| 18:35.42 | talcite | so how is integration with a dynamic lib system going to work anyways? Do we use libtool rpaths? |
| 18:35.57 | brlcad | hm? |
| 18:36.48 | talcite | well I'm curious as to how we satisfy the dynamic libraries for this |
| 18:37.20 | talcite | we use system libs when possible, but what about the local libs? |
| 18:37.50 | talcite | they're dynamically linked, but are they registered with ldconfig? |
| 18:40.13 | louipc | you'll have to add the directory to ld.so.conf |
| 18:40.19 | louipc | and run ldconfig |
| 18:41.08 | louipc | talcite: I guess you could ask fedora devs how they handle post-install operations |
| 18:41.25 | brlcad | they are found automatically |
| 18:41.35 | brlcad | libtool takes care of all that |
| 18:41.37 | louipc | like regenerating the font cache, info listing |
| 18:41.47 | brlcad | rpaths are fixed into the binaries |
| 18:41.55 | talcite | ahh... ok I see |
| 18:42.07 | louipc | oh libtool |
| 18:42.07 | brlcad | and libs |
| 18:42.25 | brlcad | ldconfig would be to add to the system search paths, but that's not necessary |
| 18:42.34 | talcite | heh. The fedora package rules are to not use rpaths |
| 18:42.53 | louipc | probably not to use libtool either :P |
| 18:43.22 | talcite | err, well you can use libtool. you need to remove the archives it generates though. |
| 18:43.30 | talcite | anyways, we can deal with this stuff one at a time |
| 18:43.31 | louipc | yeah |
| 18:43.44 | talcite | anyways, I really should head into the lab |
| 18:43.59 | talcite | I already took yesterday off heh |
| 18:45.50 | talcite | I'll be back tonight, but really late |
| 18:56.07 | brlcad | cya! |
| 18:56.22 | brlcad | I fly down south tomorrow, so may or may not be up late :) |
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| 19:41.40 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35407 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/copyeval.c: |
| 19:41.42 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Changed the order of the arguments (i.e. path_to_old_prim comes before |
| 19:41.44 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: new_prim). Removed the option to specify the path elements individually (i.e. |
| 19:41.46 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: "all.g box.r box.s" is no longer allowed. One must instead specify it as |
| 19:41.48 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: all.g/box.r/box.s). |
| 19:58.23 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1591 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 30 activity |
| 20:04.19 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35408 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added copyeval and facetize to Archer's undo framework. |
| 20:32.24 | ``Erik | odd |
| 21:04.17 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35409 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: using window size for gridding; experimenting with shot patterns |
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| 21:29.05 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35410 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/copyeval.c: The copyeval command has been modified to do a regular copy if the path_to_old_prim has a single path element (i.e. just a plain object name). |
| 00:23.49 | ``Erik | 1/clear |
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| 01:46.57 | brlcad | que dia! |
| 01:47.14 | brlcad | begins packing.. |
| 01:50.28 | starseeker | has stuffed an amazing number of close into a tiny space, but still must hope for a convenient laundry... |
| 01:50.48 | starseeker | er, clothes even |
| 01:51.01 | brlcad | those could be useful to have with :) |
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| 02:20.15 | ``Erik | bastages didn't manage a release? O.o |
| 02:53.10 | starseeker | too many other things sucking up time |
| 03:58.37 | talcite | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.37 | talcite | libtool: install: error: cannot install `libstepcore.la' to a directory not ending in /home/matthew/Download/temp/lib |
| 03:58.44 | talcite | those are funky errors =S |
| 03:58.53 | talcite | is this because I've decided to use prefix? |
| 04:18.02 | brlcad | ``Erik: there's still time! |
| 04:19.05 | brlcad | talcite: that looks like an unclean build where configured and built once with one prefix, then again with a different one |
| 04:19.30 | brlcad | make distclean && sh autogen.sh && ./configure --your-flags-here... && make |
| 04:20.26 | brlcad | in that error, looks like prefix is presently "/home/matthew/Download/temp/opt/brlcad" but at some point was "/home/matthew/Download/temp" |
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| 05:05.47 | mike111 | is there a tool to convert .g or iges to step? |
| 05:11.36 | brlcad | g-iges? |
| 05:11.43 | brlcad | g-step isn't ready |
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| 05:11.59 | mike111 | as I understand, g-iges convert .g to IGES |
| 05:12.16 | mike111 | I need to convert to STEP |
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| 05:13.03 | mike111 | the mesh generator crashes when I load the an IGES |
| 05:16.07 | brlcad | you understand correctly, contrary to the confusingly named "g-iges" command name ;) |
| 05:16.42 | brlcad | what mesh generator? |
| 05:16.48 | mike111 | g-iges might have some hidden option, so I'm being cautious. |
| 05:16.51 | mike111 | Gmsh |
| 05:17.06 | brlcad | sounds like a bug in gmsh |
| 05:17.16 | brlcad | could try one of the other exporters |
| 05:17.20 | brlcad | there are a variety |
| 05:17.27 | brlcad | look at the g-* commands |
| 05:17.31 | mike111 | it accepts STL, IGES and STEP |
| 05:17.46 | mike111 | but it doesn't re-mesh STL |
| 05:18.48 | brlcad | doesn't remesh stl, doesn't properly parse iges, .. what makes you think step would work? :) |
| 05:19.16 | mike111 | gmsh users are able to mesh STEP models |
| 05:19.32 | mike111 | the developers advised against working with IGES |
| 05:19.36 | brlcad | *whoosh* |
| 05:19.39 | brlcad | it was a joke |
| 05:20.20 | brlcad | well then you're kinda stuck without involving another tool |
| 05:20.55 | mike111 | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.gmsh.general/431 |
| 05:27.14 | brlcad | yeah, that sounds a bit like a cop-out |
| 05:27.22 | brlcad | it can/should work, but obviously doesn't |
| 05:28.08 | mike111 | seems like IGES has lots of versions which make exchanging files difficult |
| 05:28.40 | brlcad | the differences are pretty minor |
| 05:29.30 | brlcad | like saying there are lots of versions of gcc which make compiling files difficult |
| 05:29.52 | brlcad | you either support them or you don't, they're detectable revisions |
| 05:30.03 | mike111 | as test I generated a sphere in mged and converted it to iges. Gmsh only loaded the variant generated with g-iges -f switch |
| 05:30.18 | mike111 | but it didn't work for more complex geometries |
| 05:31.01 | brlcad | the -f option facetizes it for you |
| 05:31.07 | brlcad | i.e. turns it into a mesh |
| 05:31.44 | brlcad | i.e., a brep polygonal mesh, not a brep spline surface |
| 05:32.27 | mike111 | only worked with the sphere model |
| 05:33.57 | brlcad | doesn't really matter, not what you want |
| 06:34.55 | talcite | hey brlcad, you're still awake? |
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| 15:40.01 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35412 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard/ (. Makefile.am humanwizard.tcl): Added files needed for archer wizard on human geometry |
| 15:41.55 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35413 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard.tcl: Changed file to match with tirewizard and tankwizard in format |
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| 17:04.38 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35414 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard/humanwizard.tcl: Changed all variables to be for humans instead of tires |
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| 17:59.51 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35415 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/Makefile: Added human wizard to list of buildable wizards in makefile |
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| 18:23.16 | ``Erik | huzzah, cast is off, now for a week of wrist brace and rehabilitation |
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| 19:09.36 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35416 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/ (brlcad.inc brlcad.module): Implemented improved raytracing (raytrace only required views). |
| 20:47.29 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03Ebautu 07http://brlcad.org * r1592 10/wiki/More_Changelog: July 31 log |
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| 21:07.42 | Ralith | Changed all variables to be for humans instead of tires |
| 21:07.44 | Ralith | hehe |
| 21:08.10 | Ralith | ``Erik: you had a cast on your wrist? |
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| 21:28.43 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r35417 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Added humans to top of food chain (added humanwizard to configure.ac) ;^) |
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| 21:49.05 | ``Erik | Ralith: yes, for the last 4.5 weeks |
| 21:49.16 | Ralith | ohdamn |
| 21:49.20 | Ralith | typing must not have been fun |
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| 23:10.51 | talcite | the libtool entry in the NIST STEP library is driving me nuts |
| 23:11.20 | talcite | It refuses to install in anything that's not the root directory |
| 23:12.20 | talcite | I'm trying fakeroot and make DESTDIR install, but it's not working out. |
| 23:12.44 | talcite | the pastebin is here: http://fpaste.org/paste/20546 |
| 23:12.50 | talcite | does anyone know what's going on? |
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| 23:21.02 | louipc | well, fakeroot wouldn't affect that |
| 00:14.54 | talcite | I don't get it... How does this even work in real installs? If it was a real make install, then it would copy libstepcore.la to /lib and cause all kinds of fire and brimstone |
| 00:17.11 | talcite | oh, and the fakeroot was to take care of a tkhtml3 quirk |
| 00:17.28 | louipc | weird permissions? |
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| 00:39.43 | louipc | talcite: does it still have rpaths? |
| 00:43.35 | talcite | louipc: nah, it was just a Tcl extension thing. It needs to write to a specific path. |
| 00:43.39 | talcite | louipc: it still has rpaths, yes |
| 00:43.57 | talcite | I'll need to deal with them somehow later |
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| 01:24.42 | louipc | talcite: is there a difference between a dev and a packager in fedora? |
| 01:26.39 | talcite | louipc: not that I know of. Almost everything within fedora exists within a package |
| 01:27.16 | louipc | cool so you will become a dev? :D |
| 01:27.31 | talcite | louipc: there's probably a security team or something and I know there's a committee that steers package inclusion, but largely it should be just packagers |
| 01:27.45 | talcite | louipc: hmm, I guess if you put it that way, yeah |
| 01:28.01 | louipc | cool |
| 01:28.15 | talcite | I like the title package maintainer better though. Dev makes it sound like you should know everything there is to know about fedora |
| 01:28.40 | talcite | which I certainly don't, as evidenced by all my troubles with packaging =D |
| 01:28.49 | louipc | yeah |
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| 03:04.06 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35418 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/3dm/3dm-g.cpp: Add notes on where to go looking for color, visibility, etc. information needed to intelligently assign such settings during a 3dm import. Shouldn't be too hard to chase down. |
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| 03:42.43 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35419 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/dozoom.c: have to wrap the dm-rtgl code in DM_RTGL so we don't end up with gl/glx header errors when opengl is disabled. |
| 03:48.16 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35420 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac m4/cache.m4): |
| 03:48.18 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: add a BC_CONFIG_COMPLETE macro that is used in conjunction with BC_CONFIG_CACHE |
| 03:48.20 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: to let it know that configure completed successfully. BC_CONFIG_COMPLETE must |
| 03:48.22 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: be called before AC_OUTPUT because it sets a cache value that is read looked for |
| 03:48.24 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: during the next run. this implements sf feature request 2828793 from matt_chan |
| 03:48.26 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: (RFE: delete configure cache on failed run). |
| 03:56.08 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35421 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/Makefile: remove generated file |
| 04:02.49 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35422 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/ (humanwizard/humanwizard.tcl humanwizard.tcl): case consistency. class names are capitalized, CamelCase should be consistent. |
| 04:04.05 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35423 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard/ (_HumanWizard.tcl humanwizard.tcl): temporary rename to fix filename case. |
| 04:06.05 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35424 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix filename case. class files should match their class and it's nice to not have two identically named tcl files. |
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| 04:36.05 | talcite | holy crap. I almost just set fire to my apartment =S |
| 04:36.15 | talcite | I forgot the oven was on for 3 hours |
| 04:37.20 | talcite | on a less disturbing note, I got around the libtool madness =D |
| 04:37.56 | talcite | it was being caused by DESTDIR for some reason. I can use prefix, but it looks like DESTDIR is out |
| 04:44.10 | talcite | woo it runs! |
| 04:46.16 | talcite | Ok, I need to check the tkhtml3 behaviour. What part of the mged documentation is tkhtml3 used for? It just opens a firefox window for me when I browse them |
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| 05:24.26 | ``Erik | hm, tkhtml3 is supposed to pull up the html version of the docs inside of mged as a special window thingy, not ask the system just to open a .html |
| 05:44.28 | talcite | hmm.. Maybe I broke something with the whole fakeroot thing |
| 05:44.38 | talcite | I'm surprised though. Why not just ask the system to open a browser? |
| 05:44.45 | talcite | it's pretty standard isn't it? |
| 05:46.14 | ``Erik | *shrug* ask starseeker, he's the one who did it :) I think the notion was to make it 'integrated' |
| 05:47.29 | ``Erik | frankly, trying to figure out an unstupid way to handle tkhtml3 is what has kept a new fbsd port of BRL-CAD from coming out... I'm cycling one through that installs all of tcl/tk just to cope at the moment :( |
| 05:50.01 | talcite | =( |
| 05:50.59 | talcite | anyways, it seems like tkhtml3 is minor. It's been discussed before and we can forego it if necessary. The libs and rpaths are a much bigger issue at hand |
| 05:52.36 | ``Erik | prefix is the preferred approach to placing it, I think... *shrug* |
| 05:52.48 | ``Erik | you're trying to cook a package, right? |
| 05:52.53 | talcite | that I am |
| 05:53.22 | talcite | Prefix seems to miss a few things, like tkhtml3, which is why the discussion about foregoing it came up originally |
| 05:53.56 | ``Erik | tkhtml3 explicitely IGNORES prefix and destdir, opting to listen to the TEA information instead |
| 05:54.05 | ``Erik | which is why it's bad |
| 05:55.45 | ``Erik | it might get its own automake files in the very near future to fix that, mebbe for 7.14.10, or 7.14.12 (or 7.16.0 if it's called that *shrug*) |
| 06:13.01 | louipc | that's odd, because it didn't seem to ignore destdir in my experience |
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| 08:08.16 | ``Erik | narf. |
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| 11:54.53 | brlcad | is it still ignoring it? I added an --exec-prefix to tkhtml3's configure that should have made it work better |
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| 13:06.16 | starseeker | ``Erik: my personal preference would be be to ditch it's current make system and TEA, but it would mean forking it outright, basically |
| 13:06.52 | starseeker | given the lack of development activity it's seen, I suppose that's the de-facto situation anyway, but... |
| 13:07.44 | starseeker | (that seems to be a problem with a lot of tcl/tk addons - not much activity. Guess it comes with the territory...) |
| 13:10.08 | starseeker | was discussing TEA and tkhtml3 with brlcad yesterday - he thinks it's possible to make TEA and custom install prefixes play with package require, if I understand correctly |
| 13:12.56 | starseeker | I suppose it's worth solving, since in theory EVERY tcl/tk addon we bundle faces exactly the same issue if it "correctly" uses TEA for it's build. Right now, I'm pretty sure at least tkimg is not "package require" ready |
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| 14:24.29 | kanzure | hey samrose |
| 14:34.53 | ``Erik | not like we haven't done a straight up fork before *shrug* |
| 14:35.10 | ``Erik | ya'll out loozerana yet? |
| 14:36.08 | ``Erik | (is the lack of activity due to lack of developer interest? or because they're so easy to get "done"?) |
| 14:37.12 | ``Erik | I've seen people talk smack on excellent packages with active maintainership due to lack of releases... they were "done" and bugs were few and far between, but the lack of weekly update made some people think they were abandoned :/ |
| 14:57.29 | ``Erik | hum, fcc looking into the iphone/googvoice thing |
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| 22:46.35 | starseeker | indianlarry: hmm, the full import of the black widow 3dm model with random color assignment shows a few artifacts |
| 23:28.06 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35425 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: look just a little bit harder for X11 headers since mac os x (10.4) seems to be intermittently setting ac_x_header_dirs to empty yet ac_x_libraries non-empty. X_CFLAGS seems to be no longer used so remove it. |
| 23:35.18 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35426 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: |
| 23:35.20 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: don't even attempt to build tkhtml3 if documentation is disabled. this makes |
| 23:35.22 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: the newish 'man' mged command not work, of course. if it is enabled, though, |
| 23:35.24 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: make sure tkhtml3's build system links against X_LIBS in order to fix a Mac |
| 23:35.26 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: compilation failure when linking against system frameworks. |
| 23:36.25 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35427 10/brlcad/trunk/Makefile.am: (log message trimmed) |
| 23:36.29 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: use Making all in include |
| 23:36.31 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: MAKE all-recursive |
| 23:36.33 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: Making all in conf |
| 23:36.35 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: "Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:35:07 -0400" |
| 23:36.37 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: MAKE all-am |
| 23:36.39 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: MAKE[4]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'. |
| 23:43.19 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35428 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/Makefile.am: if docs are disabled, disable the 'man' command outright (for now at least). the tkhtml3 interface it relies upon has to be conditionally. |
| 23:44.49 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35429 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: tkhtml should be respecting the installation prefix now that its configure is being passed --exec-prefix |
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| 02:18.06 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 11:33.36 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35430 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard/Makefile.am: Fix case on the HumanWizard.tcl entry in the humanwizard makefile. |
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| 18:32.11 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 031qt2bt7nhzotm12 07http://brlcad.org * r1593 10/wiki/User:1qt2bt7nhzotm12: New page: In the romance of true love even when the wooer was middle-aged. She had been travelling in the Far East when the belated news of Margaret's death came to her. When she had arrived home ... |
| 18:47.30 | talcite | hey guys. I think there's a bug in the configure.ac. There's a missing makefile |
| 18:47.32 | talcite | make[5]: *** No rule to make target `humanwizard.tcl', needed by `all-am'. Stop. |
| 18:47.52 | talcite | preceeding line: make[5]: Entering directory `/home/matthew/rpmbuild/SOURCES/brlcad_copy/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard' |
| 18:50.15 | talcite | nevermind, I just svn up'd and it looks like it's there =D |
| 19:35.29 | ``Erik | that's a hotspot of activity |
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| 19:48.59 | dassouki | are there any recommendations for a 2d cad software ? other than QCAD ? |
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| 19:52.06 | Ralith | YES |
| 19:52.07 | Ralith | finally |
| 19:52.11 | Ralith | found the partial transparency setting |
| 19:55.36 | Ralith | damn this looks nice :] |
| 20:07.29 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35431 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (MainWindow.cxx mainwindow.ui): Practical coloring! |
| 20:07.33 | ``Erik | ralith, you dang lithp weenie |
| 20:08.03 | Ralith | huh? |
| 20:08.08 | ``Erik | :D |
| 20:08.11 | Ralith | :D |
| 20:08.15 | Ralith | but seriously wat? |
| 20:08.31 | ``Erik | just an "eye sezz j00" |
| 20:08.53 | Ralith | o |
| 20:09.00 | Ralith | I thought that had already been established |
| 20:16.10 | Ralith | okay, I really need to find a way around this flickeryness >:/ |
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| 20:56.58 | Ralith | whee, got emacs set up as my $EDITOR :D |
| 20:57.02 | Ralith | <3 multitty |
| 20:58.26 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35432 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (5 files): s/CameraInputLayer/SceneInputLayer/ |
| 21:07.55 | Ralith | oh wow |
| 21:07.57 | Ralith | I fixed it :D |
| 21:09.30 | Ralith | brlcad: you'll be happy to know: |
| 21:10.19 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35433 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Flicker fixed! Lazy redraw now fully functional. |
| 21:12.32 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35434 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/OgreGLWidget.cxx: Scrapped a no longer relevant #define |
| 22:31.30 | starseeker | Ralith: you know the drill - screenshot please! ;-)) |
| 22:31.52 | ``Erik | or it didn't happen |
| 22:31.58 | Ralith | hehe |
| 22:32.13 | starseeker | doesn't care to think about building Ogre on this thing |
| 22:32.38 | Ralith | I need to find a way to get rounded corners on the console log |
| 22:34.14 | ``Erik | <-- grouses some cuz he wasn't able to snag himself a date this weekend :/ |
| 22:35.09 | Ralith | screenie! |
| 22:35.12 | Ralith | http://isitloadedyet.com/~ralith/usable.png |
| 22:35.40 | ``Erik | neat |
| 22:35.55 | starseeker | Ralith: is this relevant? www.qtforum.org/article/25669/qwidget-with-rounded-corner.html |
| 22:36.02 | Ralith | sounds like it |
| 22:36.41 | ``Erik | starseeker: ya out in loozerana? |
| 22:36.57 | starseeker | yup |
| 22:37.05 | ``Erik | how is it? |
| 22:37.18 | starseeker | HUMID |
| 22:37.26 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:37.36 | starseeker | and the internet is sllllow |
| 22:37.46 | ``Erik | at least it's a little dryer now |
| 22:38.07 | ``Erik | imagine if you were there oh, 5 years ago |
| 22:38.31 | starseeker | marginally dryer |
| 22:39.31 | starseeker | grooves on g3d screenshot |
| 22:40.20 | Ralith | starseeker: worked; gotta tweak the value so it doesn't look silly though |
| 22:41.10 | Ralith | goes looking for a way to make only the *top* corners rounded, too |
| 22:41.17 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35435 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Rounded corners to console output; needs tweaking still. |
| 22:41.23 | Ralith | wait, nvm, all four is best here |
| 22:42.05 | starseeker | Ralith: now you should see if you can get it to import some BRL-CAD facetized primitive |
| 22:42.11 | starseeker | :-D |
| 22:42.40 | starseeker | doesn't know how hard it is to go from BRL-CAD bots/nmgs to Ogre mesh |
| 22:43.19 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35436 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Rounded console output corners tweaked. |
| 22:43.33 | Ralith | starseeker: I'd like to get camera control working properly again first (QGraphicsScene screws with input a little) |
| 22:43.45 | starseeker | or more practially, figure out how to get some libged command like l or ls to work in the terminal |
| 22:43.53 | starseeker | or that too :-) |
| 22:43.56 | Ralith | shouldn't be hard |
| 22:44.06 | Ralith | if I want to keep mafm's command system largely intact anyway |
| 22:44.24 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:44.32 | Ralith | it'll need some polishing up but it should do pretty well as-is |
| 22:44.44 | Ralith | the GUI console itself is fully wired in |
| 22:47.08 | Ralith | starseeker: one thing I'm not sure about is a good way to wire up the quit command, which needs to call a method of QApplication |
| 22:47.15 | Ralith | short of making QApplication global... |
| 22:47.48 | starseeker | is quit in libged? |
| 22:48.12 | Ralith | builtin command :P |
| 22:48.14 | Ralith | hm |
| 22:48.18 | Ralith | I suppose it's not really even necessary |
| 22:48.32 | Ralith | in fact... |
| 22:49.19 | Ralith | yeah, it should be easy to drop in additional libged functionality |
| 22:49.42 | Ralith | mafm's already got a basic structure and a few impls of integration with the command system there |
| 22:51.45 | starseeker | ``Erik: how is it on the home front? |
| 22:52.05 | ``Erik | it's still here O.o |
| 22:54.44 | Ralith | <3 emacs 23 |
| 23:23.12 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35437 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Restored console input. |
| 01:08.32 | Ralith | gragh. |
| 01:08.35 | Ralith | /usr/include/QtGui/qgraphicssceneevent.h:72: error: default argument for parameter of type âQEvent::Typeâ has type âlong intâ |
| 01:08.44 | Ralith | Qt headers have a habit of spewing weird errors when things are broken somewhere |
| 01:11.06 | Ralith | and/or when X defines things that screw with it. |
| 01:11.07 | Ralith | undefs |
| 01:12.53 | Ralith | WOO |
| 01:12.57 | Ralith | :D |
| 01:13.09 | Ralith | finally: |
| 01:13.17 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35438 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (8 files): Fixed camera controls :D |
| 01:13.46 | Ralith | g3d is now back at full functionality (that is, as far as it's ever been) in OpenGL mode :D |
| 01:14.44 | Ralith | afks for a while |
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| 02:33.30 | starseeker | Ralith: nice! |
| 02:43.43 | starseeker | trys downloading Qt and rt^3 for the heck of it... |
| 02:43.56 | starseeker | and flinches at an estimate of two days |
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| 05:13.53 | Ralith | O.o |
| 05:13.59 | Ralith | starseeker: what kind of internet you on over there? |
| 06:49.19 | Ralith | tomorrow I think I'll give the popup noun/verb command line a go |
| 07:15.52 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35439 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (6 files): Replaced History singleton with Console-specific history deque, and added support for saving the current (unexecuted) text. |
| 07:21.50 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35440 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Fixed crash on executing empty command line. |
| 07:22.20 | Ralith | misbehavior remains when executing historical text; will fix tomorrow |
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| 19:07.19 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35444 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: First attempt at removing strange history behavior when executing historical commands. |
| 19:10.12 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35445 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Second attempt to remove strange history behavior; historical commands now result in blank history entries. |
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| 19:13.12 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:G3d-2009-08-03.png]]": A screenshot depicting the current state G3D's Qt-based GUI |
| 19:16.26 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1595 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Added summary of work since last log, complemented by a screenshot. |
| 19:22.26 | Ralith | I'd love to have CL's trace function right about now :/ |
| 19:27.15 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35446 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/unix/Makefile.in tk/unix/Makefile.in): make sure even harder that there are ug+rw perms on installed libs and (also) install the binaries without version numbers attached (e.g., tclsh in addition to tclsh8.5) |
| 19:27.32 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1596 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Corrected date |
| 19:29.40 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35447 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: add additional make rules for tkhtml3 so it integrates better with distcheck |
| 19:30.42 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35448 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/incrTcl/ (itcl/pkgIndex.tcl.in itk/pkgIndex.tcl.in): make sure the package files point to the right location for the library. they're up a directory since the pkgIndex.tcl is installed in a lib subdir. |
| 19:31.16 | ``Erik | heh |
| 19:31.41 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03Ralith 07http://brlcad.org * r1597 10/wiki/User:Ralith: Clarification |
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| 19:33.41 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35449 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: (log message trimmed) |
| 19:33.43 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: make sure the ITCL_LIB_FILE has the appropriate filename suffix. the .a suffix |
| 19:33.45 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: is wrong as you cannot package require those. alas we cannot seemingly use tcl's |
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| 19:33.47 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: SHLIB_SUFFIX variable since it's not available (as are the other |
| 19:33.49 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: TCL_SHLIB_SUFFIX and similar vars). instead put a horrible platform hack so we |
| 19:33.51 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: can acommodate mac's dylib suffix. this definitely needs improvement but will |
| 19:33.53 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: hopefully go away when we can call incrTcl's configure with the upcoming 4.0 |
| 19:34.00 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35450 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: installation permissions should be fixed for tcl/tk. itcl/itk pkgIndex.tcl files should be generated correctly now too. |
| 19:34.14 | ``Erik | so is siggraph rolling yet? |
| 19:34.28 | ``Erik | shoulda went |
| 19:36.38 | brlcad | you shoulda |
| 19:36.52 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35451 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/viewedge.c: mass style/consistency/format/indent cleanup |
| 19:37.00 | brlcad | van seems kinda lost |
| 19:37.09 | ``Erik | phu? |
| 19:38.04 | ``Erik | it's a heady conf, if you're not used to 'em, I can see how you can get lost |
| 19:38.15 | ``Erik | <-- was awful lost when he went a few years ago |
| 19:38.54 | ``Erik | I surpose pushing for two conf's up in canuckia next year would not be terribly astute :/ |
| 19:39.37 | Ralith | brlcad: you're being awfully productive for a conf attendee |
| 19:40.26 | ``Erik | he does that, ralith |
| 19:40.39 | Ralith | heh |
| 19:41.36 | ``Erik | probably in a session rght now, coding and committing heh |
| 19:44.06 | d-lo | I think this is great. |
| 19:44.15 | d-lo | Geek bar is the greatest invention known to man. |
| 19:44.29 | Ralith | hm? |
| 19:44.32 | Ralith | also, you're up late |
| 19:44.48 | ``Erik | d-lo: eh? |
| 19:45.24 | d-lo | Geek Bar = place with 8 presentations going on at the same time, up on big projectors. |
| 19:45.38 | ``Erik | ahhh, ya out at siggraph, too? |
| 19:45.53 | d-lo | Couches, tables, chairs. Wifi selector audio for picking a presentation to listen to :) |
| 19:45.55 | Ralith | heh |
| 19:45.56 | d-lo | sure am. |
| 19:46.01 | Ralith | cool! |
| 19:46.02 | ``Erik | bastage |
| 19:46.10 | d-lo | dances. |
| 19:46.43 | ``Erik | latest jaw jackin' is outer-core.com now, btw |
| 19:47.19 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35452 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Cleanup based on a clearer understanding of how history should work; error remains. |
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| 20:03.59 | d-lo | outer-core.com ? as in a game? |
| 20:04.32 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35453 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Command history fully functional. |
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| 21:21.06 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35454 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Console.cxx Console.h): Corrected headers |
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| 21:40.41 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35455 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (5 files): Moved history handling functionality into HistoryLineEdit, a specialized QLineEdit, for reusability. |
| 22:16.29 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35456 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (7 files): Completed a simple commandline popup dialog. |
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| 22:25.19 | d-lo | brlcad: you going to the Fast Forward tonight? |
| 22:33.51 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35457 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CommandDialog.cxx commanddialog.ui): Prettier command dialog popup |
| 22:44.00 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35458 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/mainwindow.ui: Tweaked top GUI bar |
| 22:49.39 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35459 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/MainWindow.cxx: Disabled viewport scrollbars |
| 22:54.43 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35460 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/commanddialog.ui: Prettier still command dialog |
| 23:01.52 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35461 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CommandDialog.cxx CommandDialog.h MainWindow.cxx): Ensured command line popup entry field receives keyboard focus whenever the dialog itself receives focus. |
| 23:37.00 | brlcad | d-lo: the fast forward is one of the 'must's' I mentioned |
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| 23:47.46 | brlcad | hopefully you're here/there now :) |
| 23:49.10 | ``Erik | bastages |
| 23:49.41 | brlcad | three really interesting nurbs papers |
| 23:49.59 | ``Erik | bring back books for indianlarry |
| 23:50.15 | brlcad | books? |
| 23:50.28 | ``Erik | the bigassed book ya get with all the papers |
| 23:50.58 | brlcad | ah |
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| 23:51.21 | brlcad | should be getting the encore set too |
| 23:51.22 | ``Erik | will want to thumb the materials, as well |
| 23:57.55 | b0ef | what's all this qt stuff going into the repository; is there a qt interface being built? |
| 00:06.13 | ``Erik | the rt^3 repo has an ogre+qt4 interface in development |
| 00:06.33 | ``Erik | as an external experimental project, not part of the project proper :) |
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| 03:01.43 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35462 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): updating mged's display while dm-rtgl does ray tracing; removing tgc logs when using dm-rtgl |
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| 04:52.58 | yukonbob | evening, cadheads |
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| 19:58.31 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35466 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Added more descriptive help to some functions |
| 20:08.25 | Ralith | starseeker: hey, up now |
| 20:08.36 | Ralith | must have forgotten that file |
| 20:08.51 | Ralith | yyyep |
| 20:08.52 | Ralith | my bad |
| 20:09.53 | Ralith | starseeker: also, bear in mind the sleight of hand that makes Ogre cooperate is platform-specific and will need to be implemented for OSX |
| 20:10.02 | Ralith | it's fairly simple to do so, though |
| 20:10.10 | Ralith | (or is for windows and linux anyway) |
| 20:10.20 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35467 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGraphicsView.cxx OgreGraphicsView.h): Added a few forgotten files |
| 20:10.42 | Ralith | since all you need to do is call the equivalent of glXMakeCurrent and set up the Ogre config at the right time |
| 20:11.15 | Ralith | starseeker: in the medium/long term it would still be worth giving the Ogre-centric approach another try, btw, for simplicity's and perhaps performance's sake |
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| 20:15.00 | Ralith | starseeker: let me know when you can give it another go. |
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| 20:20.35 | Ralith | I suspect the cause here may be that Ogre isn't correctly installing its pkg-config file |
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| 21:02.55 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35468 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libdm/dm-rtgl.c mged/dozoom.c mged/mged.c): ray tracing when few events are being handled |
| 21:47.32 | talcite | what's likely to happen if I move files around in the brlcad installation, i.e. bin files to the system bin folder, libs to the system lib folder, etc... |
| 21:47.44 | talcite | lets assume that there's no library conflicts for now |
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| 22:12.23 | starseeker | Ralith: OK, got the files - thanks |
| 22:14.10 | Ralith | if you target X11 the Ogre trickery should work; it'd be nice if you could drop in the code to support OSX's native window system, though. |
| 22:15.30 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35469 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: one of the folks from alabama reported that mged is prompting for an attach device even when invoked non-interactively (via python on windows, like sgi cube example). |
| 22:39.08 | ``Erik | talcite: it theoretically SHOULD work, provided the libraries all go into a dir in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and the tclscript stuff is in the same relative place compared to mged |
| 22:40.14 | talcite | ``Erik: and the stuff in /usr/share/plugins, and /usr/share/data? |
| 22:40.58 | ``Erik | plugins? O.o the /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad type stuff |
| 22:41.31 | talcite | ``Erik: I don't think I can use the brlcad prefix in the package |
| 22:41.43 | ``Erik | ah, plugins is all archer stuff |
| 22:42.05 | talcite | ``Erik: err. I'm not that familiar with brlcad stuff. archer? |
| 22:42.09 | ``Erik | given the age of BRL-CAD, you're likely to run into serious conflict issues |
| 22:42.26 | talcite | ``Erik: yeah, I'm going to see which conflicts occur and whether we can get around them |
| 22:42.45 | ``Erik | FreeBSD recognized it and permitted /usr/local/brlcad/ pretty easily, gentoo fought it tooth and nail and I THINK finally ceded (or it went stale, I don't recall) |
| 22:42.54 | talcite | stale I think |
| 22:43.14 | talcite | I dont' know what fedora would do. I have a feeling their policy is even tougher than gentoo's |
| 22:43.47 | talcite | Redhat sources their enterprise stuff from fedora, so it's a pretty tight ship |
| 22:43.48 | ``Erik | meh, I made the rpm spec file, but never tried to push it into an upstream repo |
| 22:43.53 | ``Erik | um |
| 22:44.15 | ``Erik | redhat made their enterprise stuff, and then spun off fedora from the 'regular' series because they didn't want to support it anymore |
| 22:44.37 | ``Erik | and they're very much NOT tight from my experience :) |
| 22:45.11 | talcite | ``Erik: ahh. yes. But fedora's turned out to be their testing base now. They pull fedora releases and work out all the kinks from what I understand |
| 22:45.32 | ``Erik | hm, I kinda quit following redhat a bit back *shrug* |
| 22:45.58 | ``Erik | 4 was the last I had on a personal machine :) then I went to debian, then fbsd |
| 22:46.07 | talcite | whoa. they're on 11 now =D |
| 22:46.41 | talcite | it's matured quite a bit. I left ubuntu for fedora because I found it more stable and better supported |
| 22:46.48 | ``Erik | yeah, I've used fedora 9 and rhel 4 and 5... just haven't felt it was worth half a shit to have on one of my own boxes |
| 22:47.18 | talcite | heh. I've never tried a *BSD. I'm not sure if I can get use to it after the RHEL experience |
| 22:47.24 | ``Erik | <-- os bigot, has migrated pretty far into the bsd world |
| 22:48.04 | ``Erik | I know, man, after you drive a beat up yugo, you just can't handle something like a porsche or aston martin... |
| 22:48.07 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 22:48.10 | talcite | haha |
| 22:48.52 | talcite | well anyways, I'll see what happens if I move things around |
| 22:49.09 | talcite | I need to find a way to move files by bulk in a spec file. There's too many to do one by one |
| 22:49.39 | talcite | brb |
| 22:49.42 | ``Erik | it SHOULD work, but iirc, mged has an idea of where it lives and looks for it's datadir relative to where it THINKS it should be |
| 22:49.47 | ``Erik | mv *? heh |
| 22:49.53 | ``Erik | or give a --prefix in the build command |
| 22:50.16 | ``Erik | misc/brlcad.spec.in is what I had |
| 22:50.17 | talcite | =S you mean mged is hard coded? argh |
| 22:50.41 | talcite | well lets see how bad it is |
| 22:50.49 | talcite | I'll probably be back with a bunch of errors |
| 22:50.56 | ``Erik | um, using DATADIR and relative paths I think |
| 22:50.57 | talcite | hopefully not with a non-functional system =D |
| 22:51.04 | talcite | DESTDIR you mean? |
| 22:52.51 | ``Erik | um, I'm looking around now |
| 22:55.52 | ``Erik | likes like the magic fu is in mged_setup() |
| 22:56.45 | ``Erik | as contructed in libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c |
| 22:57.45 | ``Erik | which is fed from src/libbu/brlcad_path.c |
| 22:59.01 | ``Erik | so it's looking for something along the lines of `dirname mged`/../share/ ... |
| 23:00.02 | ``Erik | so yeah, where the tclscripts reside relative to the mged binary should stay the same |
| 23:00.34 | ``Erik | still thinks just giving it the proper prefix stuff to begin with would be the best way to go, though |
| 23:28.06 | siggraph | talcite: if you compile brl-cad to go to those places, it should work fine |
| 23:30.38 | siggraph | talcite: the mantra of resolving the conflicts comes up every time .. they're not readily resolvable (particularly librt) as they are core to our API and cannot/should not be renamed on our end (librt in particular) |
| 23:31.16 | siggraph | the more usual solution is to install into a subdir of a system dir (e.g., /usr/lib/brlcad/librt.so) |
| 23:31.23 | siggraph | common with a varity of packages that have a lot of libs |
| 23:31.44 | talcite | siggraph: yup. I'm going to see if fedora devs are willing to budge on it. |
| 23:31.52 | siggraph | not well tested and might require a few minor mods, but certainly doable |
| 23:38.02 | siggraph | talcite: I have to believe that there are not already some subdir libs in fedora... |
| 23:38.45 | siggraph | my mac system has two dozen alone |
| 23:39.26 | siggraph | (in /usr/lib) |
| 23:39.44 | talcite | siggraph: yes, fedora has them as well |
| 23:41.03 | talcite | hmm. maybe it's doable |
| 23:43.52 | siggraph | to make it work, you'll probably have to use a prefix of /usr but then specifically override the install prefix on libs -- that way it should still find the tcl data resoures (in /usr/share/brlcad/rel-7.14.10) |
| 23:44.07 | siggraph | returns to watching the evening animation theater |
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| 00:49.33 | yukonbob | <napolean dynamite>lucky</napolean dynamite> |
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| 13:25.31 | CIA-79 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35470 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/3dm/3dm-g.cpp: Take a first stab at extracting color from the 3dm attributes. Not clear if this is correct yet. |
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| 13:43.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35471 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/3dm/3dm-g.cpp: Stuff all the regions created by 3dm-g into one toplevel combination with (for now) the object name being the same as the output filename. |
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| 14:17.42 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35472 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): added the particle (ID_PARTICLE) primitive |
| 14:20.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35473 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/CMakeLists.txt: included the Particle from the core interface in the brlcad.dll |
| 14:26.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35474 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/CMakeLists.txt: |
| 14:26.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: changed project name from brlcad to BRL-CAD |
| 14:26.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: (this influences the default installation directory) |
| 14:32.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35475 10/brlcad/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): some experiments with CMakes's install to make my live (i.e. a brlcad.dll distribution) easier |
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| 20:09.11 | siggraph | waves |
| 20:10.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35476 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/brlcad/brlcad.module: Fix: hide additional files on new model submission. |
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| 21:00.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35477 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/themes/fireflystreamcom/ (node-model.tpl.php style.css template.php): Update model themeing (license is a tag) |
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| 21:20.48 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35478 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/modules/tagadelic/tagadelic.module: Fix cache expire bug in tagadelic module. |
| 21:40.34 | siggraph | starseeker: http://brlcad.org/tmp/brlcad_man_html.zip |
| 21:40.42 | siggraph | user contributed all of the manual pages converted to html |
| 21:40.49 | siggraph | he was on windows and needed access |
| 21:41.19 | siggraph | probably rpetty trivial to do an html to docbook conversion that might form a good basis |
| 21:41.31 | siggraph | (or whomever ese is interested in working on the docs) |
| 21:47.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07 * r21 10more.brlcad.org/: Axis example (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
| 21:51.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu 07 * r22 10more.brlcad.org/: Boolean operations (insert model: ) |
| 21:53.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu 07 * r22 10more.brlcad.org/: Boolean operations (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
| 21:53.16 | ebautu | hurray! it works. |
| 21:53.59 | ebautu | let's try something else. |
| 21:55.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07 * r1 10more.brlcad.org/: admin (logout user) |
| 21:55.58 | siggraph | o.O |
| 21:56.05 | siggraph | cool, ebautu |
| 21:56.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07 * r1 10more.brlcad.org/: admin (login user) |
| 21:56.15 | ebautu | :) |
| 21:56.55 | siggraph | ebautu: gave a brief talk about the model repository yesterday -- peaked a bit of interest :) |
| 21:57.16 | ebautu | where? |
| 21:57.34 | siggraph | at siggraph |
| 21:57.45 | siggraph | we had a brl-cad birds of a feather session |
| 22:02.28 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 0389.136.118.141 07http://brlcad.org * r1598 10/wiki/More_Changelog: August log |
| 22:05.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r22 10Model repository/: Boolean operations (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
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| 00:47.09 | yukonbob | siggraph: what was the BoF like? |
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| 01:32.50 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35479 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/vmath.h src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp): Added the work horse functions, along with some skeleton code of the surface reconstruction implementation. Also added a few 2 vector versions of the macros present in vmath.h |
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| 02:47.39 | talcite | I've got some funny business going on in the configure script |
| 02:47.53 | talcite | the --datarootdir option didn't move the /usr/share stuff |
| 02:48.43 | talcite | would someone be able to check that out for me please? My autotools skills aren't up there yet |
| 02:49.00 | talcite | the exact option I passed was: --datarootdir=/usr/share/brlcad |
| 02:49.23 | talcite | everything just showed up in /usr/share |
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| 07:16.54 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35480 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (7 files): Moved log system to QObject signal/slots, resulting in moderate simplification. |
| 07:17.59 | Ralith | siggraph: piqued* |
| 07:18.03 | Ralith | :D |
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| 13:36.27 | ``Erik | huh, touchable hologram displays on demo at siggraph? O.o |
| 13:40.02 | _clock_ | Holy from the Red Dwarf? |
| 13:40.33 | _clock_ | ``Erik: what resolution does it have? 1024x1024x768? |
| 13:41.21 | ``Erik | d'no, just saw the blurb on slashdot, didn't dig into it |
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| 14:15.40 | Axman6 | ``Erik: i saw the video, it looks like it would be pretty damn awesome |
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| 18:55.33 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35481 10/isst/trunk/src/ (gui.c isst.h): eliminate the "worker" entry in the struct and spawn the thread only when network mode is selected |
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| 20:00.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35482 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/MainWindow.cxx: First attempt to make the command dialog movable; no apparent effect. |
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| 22:36.17 | talcite | alright! I got the package configured properly The directory structure should be good! |
| 22:36.25 | talcite | Lets package this up and submit for review =D |
| 22:36.37 | talcite | oh also, there's a bug with the --datarootdir configure option |
| 22:36.56 | talcite | it doesn't do anything, and the configure --help gives the wrong information |
| 22:43.34 | talcite | Is there any reason why the headers would be needed to be packaged? If not, I'll just exclude them |
| 23:19.50 | ``Erik | if people want to build against the library set, they're kinda needed |
| 23:29.20 | talcite | hmm yeah, I guess so |
| 23:29.58 | talcite | I'm probably going to get questions about this: Are all the files in /usr/bin meant to be executed by users? |
| 23:30.19 | talcite | I'll need to move them to /usr/libexec if they're not |
| 23:33.37 | siggraph | talcite: libexec? yes, they're all user-tools .. there just happens to be 400 of them |
| 23:34.29 | talcite | haha ok. Well I'll let the package reviewers know =D |
| 23:36.33 | siggraph | pretty cool that you got it all working |
| 23:36.42 | siggraph | i'll have to talk to you some more later about the datarootdir |
| 23:38.22 | ``Erik | didja get to play with the tactile hologram thingie? |
| 23:38.47 | ``Erik | (seems that's the show stealing toy this year) |
| 23:40.44 | talcite | ``Erik: haven't tried the features all out yet. I'm mostly working on getting the thing packaged =P. I'll need to give it a good test to make sure I didn't break anything though |
| 23:41.14 | siggraph | ``Erik: /. over-hype .. one of the least interesting things in e-tech |
| 23:42.16 | siggraph | talcite: good test, run 'benchmark' from /tmp and run mged |
| 23:43.08 | talcite | siggraph: sure. I'm just doing a rebuild right now to remove all the .la and static libs right now. Hopefully nothing blows up |
| 23:43.16 | siggraph | in mged, can run "opendb test.g ; make sph sph ; e sph ; rt sph" |
| 23:45.11 | ``Erik | 'cept more like "opendb test.g ; mkae sph sph ; rt" |
| 23:45.31 | ``Erik | s/ka/ak/ |
| 23:45.59 | talcite | wait, there's 2 different ones |
| 23:46.29 | ``Erik | two different whats? |
| 23:47.01 | talcite | 2 different commands. What's the difference between the 2, and which one would indicate a successful build? |
| 23:49.00 | ``Erik | O.o which 2 different commands? *confused* |
| 23:51.19 | talcite | what's s/ka/ak/? |
| 00:01.21 | ``Erik | uh, sed expression to swap ka and ka |
| 00:01.23 | ``Erik | ak |
| 00:01.33 | ``Erik | "opendb test.g ; make sph sph ; rt" was what I meant |
| 00:45.50 | talcite | oh ok |
| 00:50.36 | talcite | man these builds are taking a long time =P |
| 00:51.23 | talcite | the rpm build process needs to do the whole thing from sh autogen.sh each time I make a mistake in the spec file =/ |
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| 02:18.08 | ``Erik | sooooo stop making mistakes? :D |
| 02:58.10 | talcite | haha oh man... |
| 02:58.18 | talcite | these are really expensive mistakes =( |
| 03:02.04 | talcite | time expensive I suppose |
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| 06:44.17 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35483 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/MainWindow.cxx: Make MainWindow better behaved about cleaning up. |
| 06:48.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35484 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/main.cxx: Take advantage of cleanup code in MainWindow. Not strictly necessary, but probably good practice. |
| 06:50.21 | Ralith | talcite__: eh, find something interesting to do while it builds; that way waiting won't take any extra time |
| 06:50.29 | Ralith | starseeker: did you ever give g3d another try? |
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| 15:07.08 | starseeker | Ralith: no, not yet - remember, I can't get ogre detection to work |
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| 17:06.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35485 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c: push adrt_mesh_t* instead of char*, librender expects it. |
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| 17:56.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35486 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: fix off by one bug in .g network request |
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| 18:42.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35487 10/isst/trunk/utils/Makefile.am: don't build these. |
| 18:42.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35488 10/isst/trunk/src/load_g.c: add load_g.c from brlcad/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c with minor tweaks |
| 18:44.12 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35489 10/isst/trunk/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am src/gui.c src/isst.h src/sql.c): disable MySQL completely. add local render shtuff. add load_g shtuff. |
| 18:50.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35490 10/isst/trunk/src/ (Makefile.am gui.c isst.h main.c sql.c sql.h): completely erradicate MySQL references. |
| 19:29.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35491 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/load_g.c: re-add lost vert_count |
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| 20:04.59 | starseeker | mafm: hmm, I'll try again later - BRL-CAD + OpenSceneGraph |
| 20:05.09 | starseeker | has to type it - copy/paste isn't working |
| 20:13.17 | Ralith | starseeker: I thought you worked around that. Anyway, does pkg-config find Ogre when called directly? |
| 20:23.02 | starseeker | Ralith: seems to |
| 20:23.06 | starseeker | tries again |
| 20:44.28 | starseeker | blinks: http://groups.google.com/group/osg-users/browse_thread/thread/d8c744a589ac0782 |
| 20:45.21 | starseeker | mafm: does that work? |
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| 20:55.45 | ``Erik | erm |
| 20:55.56 | ``Erik | sets jdoliner's ropes on fire |
| 20:58.08 | jdoliner | :) |
| 20:58.18 | jdoliner | i see you read hacker news as well |
| 20:58.56 | ``Erik | yeah, beats slashdot (though it's been getting oversaturated lately) |
| 20:59.57 | jdoliner | yeah I'd like to see some more papers on erlang, that should keep the crowds at bay |
| 21:00.25 | ``Erik | it used to be a bunch of lisp weenies, now it's overflowing with python and ruby twats |
| 21:00.31 | ``Erik | O:-) |
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| 21:25.55 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35492 10/isst/trunk/src/load_g.c: add tie_prep and update vert_count |
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| 23:34.38 | mafm | starseeker: yup, that works |
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| 23:54.28 | ``Erik | wwbd - what would beavis do |
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| 04:20.41 | Ralith | observes that an Ogre bug appears to be responsible for a segfault on g3d shutdown |
| 04:20.49 | Ralith | oh well; relatively harmless place |
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| 02:45.17 | Ralith | I couldn't find a way to delete articles altogether as a plain user |
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| 15:59.23 | ``Erik | http://www.cesaretto.it/usb-cpu-meter/ |
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| 22:23.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: deleted "[[User:1qt2bt7nhzotm12]]": content was: 'In the romance of true love |
| 22:23.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: even when the wooer was middle-aged. She had been travelling in the Far East |
| 22:23.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: when the belated news of Margaret's death ca...' (and the only contributor was |
| 22:23.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: '[[Special:Contributions/1qt2bt7nhzotm12|1qt2bt7nhzotm12]]') |
| 22:25.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:368 buy claritin]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
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| 06:46.43 | mariooliveira | hi.is there a way to show my 3d models over internet without any specific program |
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| 07:40.14 | talcite_ | damnit. I have rpath problems |
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| 11:25.49 | d-lo | mernin all. |
| 11:47.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35496 10/rt^3/trunk/include/uuid/uuid_vers.h: Fixed small typo. Somehow, this escaped all the builds prior to this. Fixed now. |
| 11:50.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35497 10/rt^3/trunk/src/adminpanel/: Add in dir for admin panel application. |
| 12:06.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35498 10/rt^3/trunk/src/CMakeLists.txt: Stub basic Admin Control Panel (acp) class/header. Wire into build system. |
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| 18:06.50 | talcite | can someone help me with removing libtool rpaths in a couple of hours? |
| 18:09.47 | talcite | or would it make more sense for me just to remove them after compilation, and to keep them in the upstream? |
| 18:11.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35502 10/isst/trunk/src/load_g.c: quiet down the loader a bit |
| 18:11.46 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35503 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: move local rendering to threaded model (avoid interferring with gui event loop) |
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| 19:41.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35505 10/isst/trunk/src/load_g.c: copy color. |
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| 22:23.22 | talcite | hey guys. Are there any plans to handle the deprecated boost libraries? |
| 22:40.23 | ``Erik | hopes so |
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| 02:20.44 | starseeker | possibly the most absurd vehicle I have ever seen: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hummer-H3-Limousine-2008-H3-PINK-HUMMER-LIMOUSINE-LIMO-LIMOSUITE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem35a28c1bacQQitemZ230360357804QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks |
| 02:23.51 | ``Erik | smells like a "daddy's rich" car |
| 02:24.17 | starseeker | that's up (or down) there with the Oscar Myer hot dog car |
| 02:24.33 | ``Erik | hey now, the weinermobile is COOL |
| 02:25.57 | ``Erik | how else do you get disturbing scenarios like http://wizbangpop.com/images/2009/07/wienermobile%20crash.jpg ? :D |
| 02:26.38 | starseeker | oh my |
| 02:26.57 | starseeker | doesn't see an ex-military Hummer on ebay... hmm... |
| 02:27.17 | starseeker | thought they sold a few in the early days before GM figured out there was a civilian market... |
| 02:30.53 | ``Erik | probably collectors items now |
| 02:31.17 | ``Erik | wonder how many of those 'fall off the truck' O.o |
| 02:37.54 | starseeker | Hehe, well, this might be a decent runner up: http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2552645&convertTo=USD |
| 02:38.37 | starseeker | Hmm, opening bid $150... |
| 02:38.54 | ``Erik | heh, looks oddly familiar |
| 02:39.16 | starseeker | talk about an awesome way to update our model... |
| 02:40.16 | starseeker | imagines pulling up to work in that thing... |
| 02:40.25 | starseeker | "no, really, it's my own truck!" |
| 02:41.07 | starseeker | wonders what the gas milage is |
| 02:41.18 | starseeker | I suppose if you have to ask you can't afford to run it... |
| 02:42.09 | starseeker | maybe we can convince Bob he needs it for something |
| 02:45.51 | ``Erik | looks like around 6mpg |
| 02:46.05 | starseeker | winces |
| 02:46.17 | starseeker | I know - design the world's first hybrid m35 |
| 02:46.32 | starseeker | it can't be any more pointless than the pink stretch hummer limo |
| 02:46.39 | ``Erik | max highway speed goes between 45 and 60 depending on grade and shtuff |
| 02:47.04 | starseeker | grins at the idea of going to yard sales in that thing... |
| 02:48.05 | ``Erik | http://www.bunkerofdoom.com/mil/m35/mileage/mileage.html |
| 02:50.48 | starseeker | cool |
| 02:51.04 | ``Erik | seems that's the c^3 variant, has a hugeassed box on the back |
| 02:51.07 | starseeker | or, if that's too fuel efficient... http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2565791&convertTo=USD |
| 02:51.44 | starseeker | nods - I think 55mph is low enough that it's up in the air whether weight or wind resistance is the major factor |
| 02:53.20 | ``Erik | I d'no, a 10' brick at 55mph is going to have a lot of force on it |
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| 02:54.19 | starseeker | ah, yeah, that tall you're probably right |
| 02:54.35 | starseeker | shouldn't have wandered onto this site - cool stuff |
| 02:54.40 | starseeker | http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=2550019 |
| 02:55.08 | ``Erik | 210hp and tops at 60, even if it were engine rpm limited, it'd have to have a lot of wind resistance to need that much hp |
| 02:56.17 | starseeker | must be for hauling |
| 02:56.18 | ``Erik | (hard finding good info on the m35, apparently infiniti calls one of their cars that) |
| 02:56.57 | starseeker | bemusedly wonders if gcam could be made to work with that milling machine... |
| 02:57.36 | ``Erik | how's this for a sleek street machine.. imagine the awesome CD and such a small front area.. http://www.bunkerofdoom.com/mil/m35/first/319commo_truck_large.jpg |
| 02:58.38 | starseeker | hehehe |
| 02:59.25 | starseeker | would be worth renting one just to park it next to the BRLCADmobile for a photo |
| 02:59.34 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:01.10 | ``Erik | d'no why you'd want a collection of slow vehicles in a single picture, though O:-) |
| 03:03.43 | starseeker | was thinking - m35 truck == current GUI, Lotus == intended new GUI |
| 03:04.21 | starseeker | ick - they apparently sell office equipment by the pallet |
| 03:06.57 | starseeker | blinks at music CDs in one lot |
| 03:07.04 | starseeker | bet there's a good story behind that one |
| 03:12.23 | starseeker | ooh, heck-yeah http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2509637&convertTo=USD&tid=GLSPPR7932&cm_re=1-_-hotlots-_-row3col3 |
| 03:16.06 | starseeker | is still a physics nerd at heart |
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| 04:20.35 | mvm92 | anyone know any good beginner tutorials for brlcad? |
| 04:55.19 | talcite | hey guys. I need a bit of help with the build process. Is there a part of the program that's being built against libwdb? |
| 04:55.37 | talcite | I'm having build errors after rpaths were removed |
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| 15:38.45 | ``Erik | nice. in rt^3, cmake claims qmake cannot be found, but there it is O.o |
| 15:38.52 | d-lo | lawl |
| 15:39.15 | d-lo | the classic helpful post: Works for me! |
| 15:39.42 | d-lo | what flava of cmake? |
| 15:40.04 | ``Erik | cmake version 2.6-patch 4 |
| 15:40.29 | ``Erik | ah, it's search for qmake 4, but doesn't announce it the messages |
| 15:40.49 | ``Erik | on bsd, ois fails to find Xlib.h (it's /usr/local/include/X11/Xlib.h, which confuses things) |
| 15:41.02 | d-lo | hrm. |
| 15:41.09 | d-lo | and ois is an ogre dep? |
| 15:41.27 | ``Erik | src/other/ois/ |
| 15:41.45 | d-lo | right. I think the only reason its there is because of ogre. methinks |
| 15:41.59 | ``Erik | comments it out |
| 15:42.33 | d-lo | are you builing src/g3d or src/other/ogre? |
| 15:42.44 | d-lo | s/builing/building/ |
| 15:43.18 | ``Erik | toplevel |
| 15:44.03 | ``Erik | will fight it some more O.o |
| 15:45.32 | ``Erik | nutty, it actually build |
| 15:45.35 | ``Erik | built |
| 15:45.46 | d-lo | in the toplevel CMakeLists.txt, add '/usr/local/include/' to the 'INCLUDE_SEARCH_PATHS thingy |
| 15:46.09 | d-lo | mebbe that will help it find x11. |
| 15:46.25 | d-lo | or did it build it with ois already? |
| 15:47.35 | ``Erik | I commented it out |
| 15:47.44 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35512 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/CMakeLists.txt: comment out ois. Not needed for GS, and fails where X is in /usr/local/ |
| 15:47.48 | ``Erik | it smells very not unix friendly... it's all "linux" crud |
| 15:48.07 | ``Erik | damnit, svn is retarded, I ^c'd that at the very beginning and it still went and did it |
| 15:48.21 | ``Erik | heh, and it claims that commit failed. |
| 15:48.35 | d-lo | awesome. |
| 15:51.41 | ``Erik | heh, it saved it remote but forgot to update the local notion of what exists remotely... transaction fail... |
| 15:51.58 | ``Erik | goes luddite and bunkers in the land of cvs and automake O.o |
| 15:54.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35513 10/rt^3/trunk/CMakeLists.txt: added some search paths for lib/ and include/ detection. |
| 15:59.56 | ``Erik | doesn't seem to fix it O.o |
| 16:00.10 | d-lo | k |
| 16:00.30 | d-lo | wonders why it works here.... |
| 16:02.33 | d-lo | so your Xlib.h is in /usr/local/include/X11 and not /usr/include/X11 ? |
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| 17:01.14 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 17:02.15 | ``Erik | historically, /usr/lib was only for system libs, X would go in like /opt/X/lib or /usr/X11R6 or even /etc/X/ ... linux craps everything in the same place :/ |
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| 17:16.41 | louipc | etc fir libs! |
| 17:20.11 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35514 10/rt^3/trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Removal of antiquated classes |
| 17:20.35 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r35515 10/rt^3/trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Implementation of netProto handshaking. |
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| 17:25.20 | ``Erik | etc used to be a misc dir, not a config dir... :) |
| 17:30.14 | talcite_ | brlcad: ping? |
| 17:40.11 | ``Erik | talcite_work: libwdb? it's a part of BRL-CAD and used by many things... |
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| 18:41.44 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35516 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/cut.c: fix lame bug, make cut work again. |
| 18:42.27 | talcite | do you guys know when the next release is likely to come out? |
| 18:42.41 | louipc | 'soon' :D |
| 18:43.54 | talcite | haha alright. No rush. I need to weed out all of these rpath problems |
| 18:44.24 | louipc | I guess your packaging will be made slightly easier then eh? |
| 18:44.52 | talcite | well, it looks better if I'm packaging a release than a SVN revision |
| 18:45.05 | talcite | but it's not a huge issue, you see SVN packages sometimes in the repos |
| 18:45.24 | talcite | what's more pressing though is that rttherm is using rpaths and won't compile without them |
| 18:45.28 | louipc | I hear that itcl/tk will it into mainline tcl/tk |
| 18:45.34 | louipc | that will be great |
| 18:45.38 | talcite | cool. Yeah |
| 18:45.54 | louipc | yea |
| 18:57.02 | ``Erik | next release should be "any day now", brlcad was trying to push it out before siggraph, but didn't quite manage *shrug* and now I imagine he's in a coma recouping |
| 18:57.17 | ``Erik | isn't exactly sure what the stoppers are, or woulda done it last week |
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| 20:53.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35517 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/cut.c: get visible line rendering again. |
| 20:58.02 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35518 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: adrt split view cutting plane is back. knock it off the list! |
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| 22:55.09 | ``Erik | huh, a seggie |
| 22:55.27 | starseeker | segway? ;-) |
| 22:56.55 | ``Erik | heh, didja see paul grahams essay about segways? and the ensuing nerdrama? |
| 22:57.27 | starseeker | no - where's that? |
| 22:57.49 | starseeker | oh, nice work with the cuting plane |
| 22:58.07 | ``Erik | um, paulgraham.com/essays/ ? :) |
| 22:58.18 | ``Erik | was on hn a bit ago |
| 22:58.39 | ``Erik | (all things pg are on hn... irritating how much cocksucking goes on there) |
| 22:58.55 | ``Erik | yeah, heh.. the cutting plane... turns out that (a+b)*c != a+(b*c) |
| 22:58.57 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 22:59.58 | starseeker | ow |
| 23:00.08 | starseeker | when did that sneak in? |
| 23:00.26 | starseeker | wants to see a demo :-)) |
| 23:01.29 | ``Erik | um, there were a bunch of a[0] += c*b[0]; etc, and I grabbed VADD2SCALE() not paying attention to the parens |
| 23:01.35 | ``Erik | file was riddle with those, musta had an off day |
| 23:01.39 | starseeker | ah |
| 23:01.47 | starseeker | can I run it yet? |
| 23:01.56 | starseeker | looks for binary... |
| 23:01.58 | ``Erik | install the latest brlcad, install isst, put ktank.g in /tmp/ and run isst |
| 23:02.20 | ``Erik | left click zooms in and out, right click rotates, middle click pans |
| 23:02.25 | starseeker | is isst in its own tree? |
| 23:02.28 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 23:02.31 | ``Erik | requires gtk+ |
| 23:02.52 | starseeker | ah |
| 23:03.19 | ``Erik | also requires /usr/brlcad/include and /usr/brlcad/lib/librt.{so,dylib,dll} |
| 23:04.22 | ``Erik | (if I recall my winderz, it SHOULD compile just fine with msvc or mingw, but if you happen to know the fu to try to make it go into distributed mode, it'll fail due to WSAStartup() not being called) |
| 23:06.26 | ``Erik | (given the cracking of the hard outer shell, btw, I would like a chatter session among the BRL-CAD cabal in the very near future...) |
| 23:06.49 | jdoliner | hey can anyone explain to me how to use user values in opennurbs |
| 23:07.30 | ``Erik | file:line ? |
| 23:08.08 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't know, but is good at mindlessly jabbering, things he managed to help indianlarry with a fugly c++ oddity in spite of being anti-c++ :) |
| 23:09.26 | jdoliner | you can find them in opennurbs_x.h line:338 |
| 23:09.36 | jdoliner | there are of type ON_U |
| 23:09.43 | jdoliner | which I can't find declared anywhere |
| 23:12.19 | starseeker | jdoliner: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:12.27 | starseeker | is it something not in opennurbs_userdata.h? |
| 23:13.13 | starseeker | perhaps example_userdata/example_userdata.cpp has something helpful? |
| 23:13.21 | jdoliner | thanks let me check that |
| 23:15.55 | jdoliner | I could be really wrong but I think user data is a different thing |
| 23:16.06 | starseeker | isn't sure |
| 23:16.25 | jdoliner | m_user is supposed to be just a scratch field on some of their classes |
| 23:16.31 | ``Erik | um |
| 23:16.39 | jdoliner | all I'm doing is setting it to a number and then checking which number I set it to |
| 23:16.45 | starseeker | I see it used only in brep.h and brep.cpp |
| 23:17.16 | starseeker | what are you trying to achieve? |
| 23:18.40 | jdoliner | basically I have an array of ON_X_EVENTS that record intersections between a pair of 2dcurves and the respective trims in the faces they're going to go into |
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| 23:18.55 | jdoliner | I use that field to record which curve the intersection occurred in |
| 23:19.04 | jdoliner | curve1 or curve2 |
| 23:19.09 | starseeker | Hmm. I doubt that's the right place... |
| 23:19.11 | ``Erik | ok, it IS compiled, must be a generated symbol |
| 23:20.05 | jdoliner | the error i'm getting is when i do m_user == 0 |
| 23:20.05 | starseeker | jdoliner: any reason you can't hang that info on the BRL-CAD primitive as an attribute? |
| 23:20.43 | ``Erik | ON_U is cooked up as a union |
| 23:20.56 | jdoliner | oh |
| 23:21.02 | jdoliner | so if I do m_user.int |
| 23:21.08 | jdoliner | then it will cast it as an int |
| 23:21.15 | ``Erik | opennurbs_define.h:204 |
| 23:22.07 | jdoliner | aha |
| 23:22.18 | jdoliner | that should do it then |
| 23:22.23 | ``Erik | doesn't answer starseekers question, though |
| 23:22.26 | jdoliner | I'm not sure how I managed to miss that with my search |
| 23:22.27 | jdoliner | yes |
| 23:22.37 | ``Erik | that's how to fix it, but ... is that REALLY what you want to do? |
| 23:22.44 | jdoliner | is there a brl-cad ON_X_EVENT primitive? |
| 23:22.55 | jdoliner | i'm a little foggy on what you meant by that |
| 23:23.44 | ``Erik | is unfamiliar with "ON_X_EVENT" |
| 23:24.03 | ``Erik | translate to non-opennurbs, please? :) |
| 23:24.05 | jdoliner | ON_X_EVENT is a record of an intersection between 2 curves |
| 23:24.14 | jdoliner | or between a curve and a surface |
| 23:24.34 | jdoliner | it has all the relevant information bundled up in it |
| 23:25.00 | jdoliner | being the points of intersection themselves |
| 23:25.07 | ``Erik | ok, so literally "opennurbs cross event"? |
| 23:25.08 | jdoliner | the paramaters they occurred at |
| 23:25.14 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 23:25.26 | ``Erik | my initial reading was "if something happens in X windows" :) |
| 23:25.48 | ``Erik | (erm, X windowing system, or X... don't flame me) |
| 23:25.50 | jdoliner | yeah, I actually thought that to at fiest |
| 23:26.22 | jdoliner | so they also have a field m_user |
| 23:26.36 | ``Erik | well, there ya is... it's a raw union... those're dangerous as they lack any kinda magic to do checking on :/ |
| 23:26.37 | jdoliner | which is just a scratch field for anything you might want to use it for |
| 23:27.01 | ``Erik | a common C pattern is struct poo_s { int magic; union v { ... } }; |
| 23:27.33 | ``Erik | then you can switch(mypoo.magic){ case SOMETHING: mypoo.v.something = x; ... } |
| 23:28.03 | jdoliner | yeah I agree it's dangerous, here's why I think it will be okay |
| 23:28.58 | ``Erik | *shrug* ya don't have to defend yourself |
| 23:29.05 | ``Erik | I'm just pointing out the danger :) |
| 23:29.06 | jdoliner | these values are all set within a class and then used read out by that same class, the ON_X_EVENTS are never touched by outside functions |
| 23:29.21 | jdoliner | oh but I like to |
| 23:29.46 | jdoliner | I'd defend myself to my goldfish or something if I didn't have real people |
| 23:29.56 | jdoliner | I always wind up noticing flaws that way |
| 23:30.47 | ``Erik | if you grep the BRL-CAD, you'll find quite a few instances of goto... *shrug* personally, I'm reluctant to permit them in anything I touch, but sometimes you gotta go use something that is generally considered evil |
| 23:31.02 | ``Erik | s/,/ src,/ |
| 23:31.55 | ``Erik | (naked unions stink to me, it's damn cheap to shove a union in a struct with a type field) |
| 23:41.08 | ``Erik | starseeker: did you manage to get it up and running? |
| 23:43.15 | starseeker | nah, I'm on a mac which (afaik) has no gtk install |
| 23:43.25 | starseeker | will try it at home |
| 23:46.19 | ``Erik | ah, bummer |
| 23:46.47 | starseeker | ``Erik: so now you're essentiall as robust as our tesselation? |
| 23:46.48 | ``Erik | you're still at the office? |
| 23:46.52 | starseeker | yep |
| 23:46.57 | ``Erik | um, for the most part, I think... |
| 23:47.07 | ``Erik | there're still modes which'll call bu_bomb |
| 23:47.09 | starseeker | just got here not too long ago - it's been a crazy day |
| 23:47.20 | ``Erik | use bobs linux box? :) |
| 23:47.24 | starseeker | heh |
| 23:47.59 | ``Erik | I want to re-write teh gui to use tk and libfb, so I can put it right in BRL-CAD :/ |
| 23:48.14 | starseeker | nods |
| 23:48.20 | starseeker | see if you can integrate it with Archer |
| 23:48.30 | ``Erik | and enable a plugin system that sends the "mode specific" panel via tk across the wire |
| 23:48.33 | starseeker | ttk widgets Suck (slightly) Less (tm) |
| 23:50.25 | ``Erik | (frankly, it's neat and all, but I"d like to get it spooled where someone else is dicking with it and I can go do other things...) |
| 00:19.34 | ``Erik | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=756760 |
| 00:19.52 | ``Erik | "if p=np, mathematics as a field would be destroyed" |
| 00:26.35 | starseeker | ``Erik: I don't see why. How would problems that are currently labeled "NP" get easier? They're not labeled NP for nothing - if "p=np" in some theoretical sense it still doesn't get the problem solved of WHAT the solution is... |
| 00:29.15 | ``Erik | seemed like an article that might strike a chord with some folk around here, I ain't takin' a side, don't shoot the messenger |
| 00:29.59 | starseeker | heh |
| 00:30.01 | starseeker | fair enough |
| 00:32.25 | ``Erik | (shit, I haven't even read the article, I was pulling a slashdot move there..) |
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| 05:00.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35520 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:00.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: make the rtgl display manager update interactively at a minimum of 10fps instead |
| 05:00.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: of 1fps by calling rt_get_timer(). remove the blocking flag by making the run |
| 05:00.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: loop just check whether jobs are remaining and using a tcl idle loop to allow it |
| 05:00.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: to render. |
| 05:01.57 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35521 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/bomb.c: move the vars into the if loop just to keep the top scope even more 'pure' |
| 05:02.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35522 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/viewedge.c: a_user is unused, so stop setting it |
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| 10:02.50 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35524 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Made entered commands visible in command output area. |
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| 21:40.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35529 10/isst/trunk/src/load_g.c: redo function signature for multiple toplevels. begin fast/loose bot loading |
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| 10:06.44 | brlcad | neat, ogre made the top 25 projects on sf.net |
| 10:08.28 | _clock_ | ogre is part of brlcad? |
| 10:08.48 | _clock_ | brlcad: last weekend I was in the Nazi military rocket technology museum in Peenemuende |
| 10:09.09 | _clock_ | Saw V-1, V-2, huge Russian diesel submarine, Berlin wall and the Checkpoint Charlie |
| 10:10.10 | _clock_ | it was all very interesting |
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| 14:36.59 | starseeker | hmm, this SISL nurbs library is interesting - too bad it's GPL |
| 14:37.14 | starseeker | might have some helpful algorithms we could re-implement... |
| 15:28.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35530 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Start adding a little of the boilerplate for brep tesselation. |
| 15:31.37 | brlcad | sisl? |
| 15:31.48 | brlcad | found em' |
| 15:32.16 | brlcad | "Curve/surface intersections for both NURBS and analytical geometry" <-- interesting |
| 15:33.13 | starseeker | relatively obscure |
| 15:33.22 | starseeker | but sounds quite interesting |
| 15:33.29 | brlcad | you've seen this, yes? http://cg.cs.uni-bonn.de/aigaion2root/attachments/balazs-2004-efficient.pdf |
| 15:33.47 | brlcad | they're the original paper that related to the rt06 work |
| 15:34.15 | starseeker | yes, I think that's actually the one I mentioned to ed |
| 15:34.29 | starseeker | they're the fast one? |
| 15:35.07 | brlcad | yeah |
| 15:35.13 | starseeker | nods |
| 15:35.54 | brlcad | they tessellate the entire vehicle in little over a minute |
| 15:36.00 | brlcad | 3 million polygons |
| 15:36.26 | brlcad | with sub-mm accuracy |
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| 17:47.12 | d-lo | ``Erik: you around? |
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| 18:45.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35531 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: fixed typo causing compile error |
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| 18:55.53 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35532 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): simplified rtgl refresh code, changed calculation of grid dimensions, dynamically scaling point width |
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| 19:23.56 | talcite | brlcad, ping? |
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| 19:51.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35533 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (brep_cube.cpp surfaceintersect.cpp surfaceintersect.h): |
| 19:51.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Adds a new class to keep track of intersections between ON_BrepFaces. These |
| 19:51.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: classes record the intersection curves, segment the curves based on the trimming |
| 19:51.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: curves of the faces they came from, and slates the trim curves that got |
| 19:51.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: intersected for destruction. Also adds in the functionality needed to sort |
| 19:51.12 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: curves by start and end point and so that they can be matched and reconstructed |
| 19:51.14 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: in to trims. |
| 19:57.31 | ``Erik | stupid comcrap |
| 19:58.54 | jdoliner | comcrap = comcast? |
| 20:01.11 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 20:01.36 | jdoliner | I agree they're quite crappy |
| 20:24.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35534 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: Changes SurfaceSurface intersect into FaceFaceIntersect and uses the new Face_X_Event class to return its results |
| 20:57.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35535 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: removed some unecessary type conversions |
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| 21:09.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35536 10/isst/trunk/src/load_g.c: fast loading of BoT and NMG |
| 21:51.07 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35537 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/GedData.h: Scrap unnecessary safeguards |
| 21:57.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35538 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/GedCommands.h: First attempt at adding additional GED commands. Uncertain success. |
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| 22:03.53 | talcite | hey guys. So I've traced the rpath problem down to the configure file. I can't figure out what's generating them though. Does anyone know where it's coming from? configure.ac didn't give anything |
| 22:04.17 | talcite | specifically, libtools is being invoked with the -rpath option |
| 22:04.41 | talcite | I can't for the life of me figure out where that option is being added by automake though |
| 22:04.47 | talcite | err autotools* |
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| 22:12.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35539 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CommandInterpreter.cxx GedCommands.h): Fixed command and argument parsing; open appears to now be functional. |
| 22:13.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35540 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/GedCommands.h: Dropped ged_ prefix from numerous commands. |
| 22:16.15 | Ralith | this is odd |
| 22:16.46 | Ralith | 'open foo.g' somehow results in a file named "foo.\x0030" |
| 22:16.54 | brlcad | opendb |
| 22:17.07 | Ralith | ? |
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| 22:17.13 | brlcad | opendb is the libged command name |
| 22:17.23 | brlcad | 'open' is a tcl command name.. |
| 22:17.36 | Ralith | I don't see the string 'opendb' anywhere in ged.h |
| 22:17.42 | Ralith | my install is a bit old, though |
| 22:17.47 | Ralith | I'm calling ged_reopen |
| 22:18.22 | Ralith | hm |
| 22:18.25 | Ralith | question |
| 22:18.48 | Ralith | should I just scrap all this in favor of a full on mged-style TCL interpreter? |
| 22:18.59 | Ralith | (to be later expanded to $LANGUAGE_OF_CHOICE interpreter) |
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| 22:26.35 | Ralith | hm |
| 22:26.42 | Ralith | build of SVN failed: config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/other/blt/library/pkgIndex.tcl.in |
| 22:26.49 | Ralith | (during ./configure) |
| 22:32.48 | starseeker | Ralith: blt is gone |
| 22:33.06 | starseeker | not sure why your configure is still looking for it |
| 22:33.24 | Ralith | cleansup |
| 22:37.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35541 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Fixed handling of multiline command output. |
| 22:39.07 | Ralith | okay, configure works now |
| 22:42.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35542 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CommandInterpreter.cxx GedCommands.h): Fixed argument count checking for a few commands, renamed open to opendb, and tweaked help. |
| 22:45.31 | ``Erik | ralith: it's not in libged, it's in src/mged/mged.c |
| 22:45.58 | Ralith | ``Erik: so why's brlcad telling me it's a libged command name O.o |
| 22:47.10 | ``Erik | probably cuz it SHOULD be, but I'm looking at the guts at line 2500 in src/mged/mged.c :) |
| 22:47.15 | Ralith | hehe |
| 22:47.21 | Ralith | so is ged_reopen the right func then? |
| 22:48.42 | Ralith | urgh. |
| 22:48.45 | Ralith | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `mirror.c', needed by `mirror.lo'. Stop. |
| 22:49.14 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't know if it's the right func, doesn't muck with shtuff in that part :) |
| 22:49.38 | Ralith | cleans moar |
| 22:50.22 | Ralith | argh, that just broke it more. |
| 22:50.41 | Ralith | oh wait, nvm |
| 22:55.17 | brlcad | Ralith: hm, good questions |
| 22:55.28 | brlcad | i forgot that mafm made it call individual specific commands |
| 23:04.30 | Ralith | it seems like it might be pretty hard to duplicate the mged command interface and then keep it in sync (not to mention redundant) |
| 23:04.45 | Ralith | so perhaps it's best left as-is until we have an abstracted scripting/binding system |
| 23:18.12 | brlcad | Ralith: there's a critical piece missing from libged at the moment, that's what you should (eventually) be using |
| 23:18.20 | brlcad | so yeah, probably wouldn't worry about it at the moment |
| 23:18.39 | Ralith | okie. |
| 23:20.04 | Ralith | brlcad: so is ged_reopen the right func to use for now? |
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| 23:51.12 | brlcad | Ralith: yeah, it's ged_reopen |
| 23:51.25 | Ralith | kk |
| 23:51.55 | Ralith | I'm pretty sure I'm correctly passing it a filename; don't suppose you have any idea why it ends up so screwy? |
| 23:52.05 | Ralith | (i.e. foo.g -> foo.\x030 |
| 23:52.06 | Ralith | ) |
| 23:52.21 | Ralith | or something like that |
| 23:52.38 | Ralith | same thing seems to happen for anything after the . less than four or so characters |
| 23:52.42 | brlcad | probably some bug :) |
| 23:52.51 | Ralith | will dig around in libged for it, then |
| 23:53.23 | brlcad | src/libged/open.c |
| 23:54.24 | brlcad | unfortunately, I'm not sure what uses that yet |
| 23:54.34 | brlcad | i thought archer does/did.. but I'm not seeing how it's tied in yet |
| 00:02.01 | brlcad | ah, so I think I see how it's tied in yet .. don't think anything else is using ged_reopen just yet so it very well could be incomplete |
| 00:03.16 | brlcad | mged does it's own thing (see f_opendb() in src/mged/mged.c) and archer goes through the old display object interface (src/libged/dg_obj.c) |
| 00:03.35 | brlcad | so might want to reconcile what f_opendb() is doing with what ged_reopen() is doing |
| 00:03.50 | brlcad | s/might want/you need/ :) |
| 00:04.38 | brlcad | talcite: pongish |
| 00:05.38 | brlcad | talcite: what rpath "problem"? rpaths are set by libtool, which are managed primarily by automake built-in macro expansions |
| 00:06.05 | brlcad | you shouldn't be mucking with the rpaths else you will likely encounter dragons |
| 00:07.50 | brlcad | ``Erik: you can register a bu_bomb handler to tell it to keep going (if you haven't figured that out by now) |
| 00:08.02 | ``Erik | hrm? whu? |
| 00:08.06 | brlcad | (related to earlier tessellation talkage) |
| 00:08.32 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't recall which tessellation talkage |
| 00:08.59 | brlcad | tk+libfb ftw |
| 00:09.06 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:10.03 | ``Erik | tk is making me a sad panda |
| 00:10.27 | ``Erik | I can't rotate objects in mged anymore, it executes on mouse down instead of mouse up, so it reads it as a zoom in command |
| 00:16.13 | brlcad | wonders if jdoliner wins when he defends himself to his goldfish |
| 00:16.37 | ``Erik | obviously you haven't talked to joe much ;> *duck* |
| 00:17.06 | ``Erik | it is gettin' to be wrapup time, though |
| 00:17.40 | brlcad | there aren't any release stoppers that I know of, so we should be good to release .. it has just been coma/sinus recouping .. *ship it!* |
| 00:18.30 | brlcad | ughs at the automatic search paths being added for X content instead of specifying or detecting |
| 00:19.05 | brlcad | finishes spewing from recent backlog |
| 00:19.26 | brlcad | ``Erik: you're on 10.5 right? |
| 00:19.36 | ``Erik | yeah, but I'm seeing the behavior on both .5 and .4 |
| 00:19.53 | ``Erik | (if you're asking about the mouse rotate issue) |
| 00:20.04 | ``Erik | also; opendb /path/to/castle.g ; E all.g |
| 00:20.07 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:20.10 | brlcad | nick found a way to hit keys before/during the mouse events that lets him rotate smooth |
| 00:20.13 | brlcad | tricking it |
| 00:20.30 | ``Erik | eh? |
| 00:20.35 | brlcad | or there's hitting the xyzXYZ keys |
| 00:21.20 | brlcad | and yeah, just a couple more days before pens down |
| 00:21.27 | ``Erik | I don't fire up mged often enough to worry, and almost never e anything up... was just something I kinda noticed, not sure if it's due to something funky on my stuff or an actual issue |
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| 00:21.53 | brlcad | yeah, I had a regress test that took each of our example .g files and would tessellate each one .. it was too painful to commit |
| 00:22.06 | brlcad | the crash is new |
| 00:22.07 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 00:22.37 | brlcad | i think that input problem is probably a release stopper for mac binaries |
| 00:22.51 | brlcad | i fixed all the other mac problems |
| 00:22.59 | brlcad | but hadn't got to that one before siggraph |
| 00:23.12 | brlcad | not enough to stop a source release though, nothing new |
| 00:24.16 | ``Erik | hm, the null hack for linux finally got on smacksnot |
| 00:29.10 | ``Erik | huh, a retrograde orbiting exoplanet (amazing how little we know about exoplanets... we only know the orbit direction for a dozen or so?) |
| 00:40.01 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r35543 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/bigE.c: "E" command was always failing because it was not adding solids to the "ged_display_list". Now adds the solids. |
| 00:41.14 | ``Erik | hah |
| 00:41.18 | ``Erik | that'd be the castle crash, I bet |
| 00:46.48 | brlcad | go go gadget anderson |
| 01:07.10 | ``Erik | they're making a game... knocking off a movie... knocking off an 80's cartoon... |
| 01:07.20 | ``Erik | knocking off a 50's toy |
| 01:07.47 | ``Erik | 60's, sorry |
| 01:08.24 | ``Erik | (knocking off a 60's tv show I'd never heard of) |
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| 03:24.22 | ``Erik | ls |
| 03:24.25 | ``Erik | doh |
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| 06:58.46 | elena | ~log |
| 07:12.54 | brlcad | ~logs |
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| 08:44.01 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35544 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/ (30 files in 3 dirs): Implemented links for sharing services. |
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| 09:10.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r21 10Model repository/: Axis example (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
| 09:10.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r22 10Model repository/: Boolean operations (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
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| 09:10.44 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r25 10Model repository/: Tank car (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
| 09:12.15 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03ebautu * r35545 10/web/trunk/htdocs/more/sites/all/themes/fireflystreamcom/node-model.tpl.php: Fix links themeing for anonymous users. |
| 09:13.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r25 10Model repository/: Tank car (update model: ) |
| 09:14.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r24 10Model repository/: Havoc (update model: ) |
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| 09:14.38 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r21 10Model repository/: Axis example (update model: ) |
| 09:15.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r25 10Model repository/: Tank car (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
| 09:15.53 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r21 10Model repository/: Axis example (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
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| 09:16.11 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r23 10Model repository/: bldg391 (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
| 09:16.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03admin 07http://more.brlcad.org * r24 10Model repository/: Havoc (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
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| 12:37.38 | brlcad | oh that's cool |
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| 13:13.04 | ``Erik | ? |
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| 15:04.26 | brlcad | the model notifications |
| 15:04.59 | brlcad | noficiations when it's added and when processing is completed .. which looks like was about 5 minues for those tiny models :) |
| 15:15.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35546 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/viewedge.c: minor tweaks for syncing antialias work |
| 15:26.08 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35547 10/isst/trunk/src/ (gui.c isst.h load_g.c main.c): specify db/regions from command line. |
| 16:41.59 | brlcad | haha |
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| 16:42.11 | brlcad | howdy joe! |
| 16:42.16 | jdoliner | hi |
| 16:42.30 | jdoliner | I haven't seen you in a while sean |
| 16:42.35 | brlcad | was just going through some of your commits yesterday |
| 16:42.40 | brlcad | yeah, was away on travel |
| 16:42.47 | brlcad | been a busy couple weeks |
| 16:42.48 | jdoliner | yes, thoughts plz |
| 16:42.58 | brlcad | seen the chatter in here and commits, though |
| 16:43.25 | brlcad | well, how're things going? |
| 16:43.39 | brlcad | i noticed you were working on curve/face crossings for the face-face intersections |
| 16:44.02 | jdoliner | yes |
| 16:44.22 | jdoliner | you mean in the FindStartPoints_Internal? |
| 16:46.53 | jdoliner | sry that function is actualy GetStartPointsInternal |
| 16:56.59 | brlcad | mm, i'd have to dig back through the commits |
| 16:57.50 | brlcad | Curve_X_Profile() is what I had in mind |
| 16:57.56 | jdoliner | don't bother |
| 16:57.58 | brlcad | and FaceFaceIntersect() |
| 16:59.07 | jdoliner | yeah, Curve_X_Profile was actually an idea that I never wound up using |
| 16:59.11 | jdoliner | I'll remove that soon |
| 16:59.21 | jdoliner | but facface intersect is the workhorse |
| 17:00.50 | jdoliner | FaceFaceIntersect does all the work of creating the Face_X_Events |
| 17:01.07 | brlcad | cool |
| 17:01.15 | jdoliner | which are basically ON_X_Events but for two faces |
| 17:01.22 | brlcad | that does sound like the most important piece :) |
| 17:01.29 | jdoliner | yeah :) |
| 17:01.44 | jdoliner | it uses the numeric method of walking the intersection curve |
| 17:01.54 | brlcad | were talking yesterday about evaluating a given CSG operation as just the resulting surface intersections, finding those curves, attaching them as trims, and just feeding the result to opengl for visualization |
| 17:02.38 | brlcad | as a 'first step' of sorts, for visualization of arbitrary objects via shaded displays/opengl |
| 17:03.12 | jdoliner | I see, |
| 17:03.37 | jdoliner | ultimately would we like to just 'freeze' faces to have only 1 external trim? |
| 17:09.58 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 17:11.00 | brlcad | multiple trimming curves are normal |
| 17:11.07 | brlcad | or do you mean one trimming loop? |
| 17:11.09 | jdoliner | well at the end we're going to end up with faces with a whole bunch of trims |
| 17:11.22 | jdoliner | yeah i mean loops |
| 17:11.58 | brlcad | yeah, ideally minimal loops but even that shouldn't be a problem to have multiple ones |
| 17:12.22 | jdoliner | k |
| 17:12.49 | brlcad | will probably want some means to simplify, though -- if a loop is fully contained within another, eliminate it; if it intersects, weave it in, etc |
| 17:13.19 | jdoliner | yes, I actually already have it setup to weave intersecting loops in |
| 17:14.21 | jdoliner | also if it has 2 distinct external loops that should be an easy simplification |
| 17:14.22 | brlcad | awesome |
| 17:34.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35548 10/isst/trunk/src/ (Makefile.am gui.c isst.h load_g.c main.c): break worker functions out into their own files |
| 17:36.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35549 10/isst/trunk/src/test.c: rm dead file |
| 17:38.01 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35550 10/isst/trunk/src/ (local_worker.c net_worker.c): break worker functions out into their own files |
| 17:38.28 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35551 10/isst/trunk/src/poo.g: rm dead file |
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| 17:47.55 | talcite_ | hey brlcad, can I get your help in changing the configure script from using libtool runpaths to convenience libraries? |
| 17:54.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35553 10/isst/trunk/src/ (gui.c isst.h local_worker.c net_worker.c): remove gtk requirement from local_worker |
| 18:07.12 | brlcad | talcite_: not sure what you mean by that exactly |
| 18:07.27 | brlcad | talcite_: the convenience libraries aren't installed |
| 18:08.56 | talcite_ | brlcad: yeah. I'm just trying to remove all of the libtool runpaths and create partially linked executables so they're compliant with fedora guidelines |
| 18:09.17 | talcite_ | brlcad: I'm not sure what you mean by the convenience libraries aren't installed |
| 18:10.12 | brlcad | libtool "convenience libraries" are, by definition, not installed :) |
| 18:10.21 | brlcad | http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/autobook/autobook_92.html |
| 18:10.31 | brlcad | note the "noinst" |
| 18:12.52 | brlcad | can you give a reference to those fedora guidelines? 'partially linked executables' can mean a lot of things or nothing at all |
| 18:14.01 | brlcad | the default build is shared libraries with dynamic linkage |
| 18:15.09 | brlcad | all i've ever heard fedora guideline-wise was that they (rightfully) prefer non-static compilation/linkage so dependencies can be properly updated and managed |
| 18:17.11 | talcite_ | brlcad: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Beware_of_Rpath |
| 18:17.16 | brlcad | yeah, just found that |
| 18:17.49 | talcite_ | sorry for the slow reply, I was just reading over the autotools book page you sent me. I haven't seen that one before |
| 18:17.55 | brlcad | that's not what I'd consider having much to do with "partially linked executables" ;) |
| 18:18.13 | talcite_ | ahh, sorry for the confusing terminology |
| 18:18.19 | brlcad | yeah, I think you're just calling them the wrong thing |
| 18:18.36 | brlcad | I think you just mean our installed libraries |
| 18:18.46 | brlcad | so did you try --disable-rpath? |
| 18:18.56 | talcite_ | yup, it didn't do anything |
| 18:19.19 | brlcad | did you already have a libtool script generated? |
| 18:19.30 | talcite_ | also, removing the hardcode_libdir_flag_spec didn't do anything |
| 18:19.50 | talcite_ | brlcad: libtool script generated? |
| 18:20.06 | brlcad | no used gnu autotools much I take it? :) |
| 18:20.32 | talcite_ | I'm just running everything from sh autogen.sh to make install in the spec file |
| 18:20.40 | talcite_ | brlcad: no, I haven't heh |
| 18:20.56 | brlcad | when you run our configure, it spits out a script called 'libtool' |
| 18:21.23 | brlcad | that script is wired into the Makefiles automatically by automake |
| 18:21.53 | brlcad | so during make, the build invokes that libtool script for all linkage |
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| 18:22.20 | talcite_ | yeah, I've seen that script being used |
| 18:22.36 | talcite_ | I haven't done anything like generate my own though |
| 18:22.48 | brlcad | that script encapsulates all logic on how to build libraries and link binaries (static and dynamic), and is otherwise mostly a "black box" that you just run .. minus a few knobs you can manually tweak to override what the gnu folks think is best |
| 18:24.03 | brlcad | the "sh autogen.sh" step turns the configure.ac file into the venerable configure script and all the Makefile.am automake template files into Makefile.in autoconf template files |
| 18:24.20 | talcite_ | yup |
| 18:24.44 | brlcad | when you run "./configure --whatever..." that turns all the Makefile.in files into Makefile files and generates the libtool script if it's a libtool-enabled project (which we obviously are) |
| 18:25.06 | brlcad | okay, so back to the problem at hand.. post up your libtool script somewhere |
| 18:25.30 | brlcad | their guideline are either out of date with the latest libtool, or ya did something wrong |
| 18:26.22 | talcite_ | brlcad: http://fpaste.org/NZS3/ |
| 18:27.27 | talcite_ | brlcad: well going through the build logs shows the -rpath argument being passed to libtool several times |
| 18:29.12 | brlcad | well the good news is the libtool script doesn't force it |
| 18:31.16 | talcite_ | brlcad: would the configure script help? |
| 18:31.26 | brlcad | note yet |
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| 18:33.49 | brlcad | did you verify that it's actually generating installed binaries with an rpath set? |
| 18:34.18 | talcite_ | brlcad: yeah. Fedora has a check_rpaths tool built into rpmbuild |
| 18:34.51 | brlcad | I know, I'm saying you've checked them explicitly since having ran those regex's on the libtool script, not just noticed the --rpath cmdline option |
| 18:35.00 | brlcad | more specifically, noticed post-install |
| 18:35.10 | brlcad | libtool is a multiphase interface, it knows the difference between compilation, preinstall, and postinstall |
| 18:35.51 | brlcad | not saying that'll do it, but worth checking before going further down the rabbit hole |
| 18:35.52 | talcite_ | brlcad: yeah. check-rpaths runs after the rpm is generated, then it goes over the binaries |
| 18:43.31 | brlcad | talcite_: grep -A1 "checking how to hardcode library paths into programs" brlcad/config.log | grep result |
| 18:44.21 | talcite_ | configure:20803: result: immediate |
| 18:44.21 | talcite_ | configure:24617: result: immediate |
| 18:46.04 | brlcad | hm |
| 18:51.04 | brlcad | lets try some more aggressive libtool mods.. |
| 18:51.14 | brlcad | try this: |
| 18:51.46 | brlcad | sed -e s/^hardcode_direct.*$/hardcode_direct=yes/g libtool || sed -e s/^hardcode_minus_L.*$/hardcode_minus_L=yes/g || sed -e s/^hardcode_shlibpath_var.*$/hardcode_shlibpath_var=no/g > libtool.new |
| 18:52.04 | brlcad | mv libtool libtool.old && mv libtool.new libtool |
| 18:52.23 | brlcad | diff libtool libtool.old .. should see at least three lines changed |
| 18:53.54 | brlcad | can either add that sed and mv to configure.ac after BC_PATCH_LIBTOOL (after making sure it works manually first), or make it a step after ./configure |
| 18:54.36 | talcite_ | man that sed was huge |
| 18:56.11 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35554 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am csgbrep.cpp): |
| 18:56.11 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Add the skeleton for a csgbrep proc-db - eventually this will be used to do |
| 18:56.11 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: examples of all of the primitives going from an implicit to a NURBS |
| 18:56.11 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: representation. At the moment it looks like the ability to do this is not yet |
| 18:56.11 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: set up, so need to wire in the rt_*_brep ability to some sort of public API. |
| 18:56.25 | talcite_ | brlcad: your i/o redirection isn't working |
| 18:56.31 | brlcad | oh, might want to add one more, sed -e 's/(hardcode_into_libs)=.*$/\1=no/' |
| 18:56.58 | brlcad | that was three seds |
| 18:57.04 | brlcad | so four with the last one |
| 18:57.36 | talcite_ | brlcad: I'm not really sure what you did with the || , but the sed stuff just outputs to stdout |
| 18:57.39 | brlcad | and the ||'s should be just |'s .. typo |
| 18:57.43 | talcite_ | it isn't getting redirected to libtool.new |
| 18:57.47 | talcite_ | oh ok |
| 18:58.07 | brlcad | they were pre-escaped for m4 |
| 18:58.12 | talcite_ | oh... |
| 18:59.17 | brlcad | might just make that last/fourth one be like the rest: s/^hardcode_into_libs.*$/hardcode_into_libs=no/g |
| 19:01.04 | talcite_ | brlcad: lots of changes |
| 19:01.18 | talcite_ | I can try building now if you'd like |
| 19:01.26 | brlcad | no, paste the diff |
| 19:01.30 | talcite_ | k |
| 19:01.31 | brlcad | diff -u |
| 19:02.07 | talcite_ | http://fpaste.org/h4EL/ |
| 19:04.05 | brlcad | hm, almost |
| 19:04.44 | brlcad | make the first one, s/^hardcode_direct=.*$/hardcode_direct=yes/g |
| 19:04.50 | brlcad | repaste |
| 19:08.19 | talcite_ | http://fpaste.org/ENoS/ |
| 19:09.10 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm slightly twisted up - the rt_sph_brep and rt_ell_brep functions aren't accessible directly, and upon reflection should probably be called through rt_functab like all the other primitive functions. But what about situations like wdb where we have (say) the sphere parameters and want to generate the resulting nurbs without detouring through creating the implicit version of the primitive? (We could, of course, but that would mean a write AND |
| 19:13.04 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35555 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: BrepBrepIntersect now cycles through all the pairings of faces and gets their intersections accurately |
| 19:15.14 | brlcad | talcite_: that looks great, give that a test |
| 19:15.19 | brlcad | with a clean build |
| 19:15.31 | talcite_ | brlcad: sure |
| 19:15.43 | brlcad | it'll still pass --rpath on the command line, but it should think that it doesn't need to do anything |
| 19:16.12 | brlcad | if that doesn't work, we can probably just trick up the --rpath option in the script |
| 19:17.02 | brlcad | starseeker: they weren't added to the functab just because it's woefully incomplete -- but they are directly accessible |
| 19:17.39 | brlcad | and your message was too long, cut off after AND |
| 19:19.28 | talcite_ | brlcad: sounds good. I've started the build process. It'll be 17 minutes or something |
| 19:19.44 | brlcad | you can just call rt_*_brep() for testing purposes to make sure things are working .. once they're working or as they're working, can add them to functab |
| 19:19.49 | brlcad | talcite_: k |
| 19:21.21 | brlcad | starseeker: I also wouldn't want to double-up the API just for a representation type -- the idea would probably be to create an in-memory-only object and then make the functab call on it for a given representation type |
| 19:21.48 | brlcad | or they create a nurbs object via opennurbs and write out using mk_brep() |
| 19:23.56 | talcite_ | brlcad: looks like we're getting somewhere. It's calling ld now |
| 19:24.04 | talcite_ | brlcad: but we have a make error |
| 19:24.29 | talcite_ | brlcad: http://fpaste.org/3jXm/ |
| 19:25.20 | brlcad | heh, well it certainly seems to have worked :) |
| 19:26.52 | brlcad | cd /home/matthew/rpmbuild/BUILD/brlcad-SVN_010809/src/other/URToolkit/cnv/rletoabA62 |
| 19:27.05 | brlcad | /bin/sh ../../../../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -I../../../../../src/other/libutahrle/include -O2 -g -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -m64 -g -O3 -L/usr/local/lib64 -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -m64 -g -O3 -o rletoabA62 rletoabA62-rle.o rletoabA62-rletoabA62.o ../../../../../src/other/libutahrle/libutahrle.la |
| 19:27.11 | brlcad | (run that) |
| 19:27.26 | brlcad | paste the really long gcc line that it spits back |
| 19:27.39 | talcite_ | libtool: link: LD_LIBRARY_PATH="../../../../../src/other/libutahrle/.libs:" gcc -I../../../../../src/other/libutahrle/include -O2 -g -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -m64 -g -O3 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -m64 -g -O3 -o .libs/rletoabA62 rletoabA62-rle.o rletoabA62-rletoabA62.o -L/usr/local/lib64 -L/usr/local/lib -lutahrle -lm -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/lib64/brlcad |
| 19:27.39 | talcite_ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lutahrle |
| 19:27.39 | talcite_ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 19:28.20 | brlcad | huh, odd |
| 19:28.33 | brlcad | ls -la ../../../../../src/other/libutahrle/.libs/lib* |
| 19:29.17 | talcite_ | http://fpaste.org/61p6/ |
| 19:30.11 | brlcad | well that's stumpworthy |
| 19:30.30 | brlcad | there's libutahrle.so right there, and LD_LIBRARY_PATH points there |
| 19:30.44 | brlcad | ah, but no -L for it, hrm |
| 19:32.26 | brlcad | think we need to remove one of the sed's |
| 19:32.46 | brlcad | the hardcode_minus_L one |
| 19:35.27 | starseeker | brlcad: what do I #include to get them in directly? |
| 19:36.21 | brlcad | starseeker: they're not in a public header yet, you just have to declare them |
| 19:36.28 | starseeker | ok |
| 19:36.36 | brlcad | see table.c |
| 19:36.43 | brlcad | there is a declaration macro there |
| 19:36.55 | starseeker | excellent, thanks |
| 19:37.22 | starseeker | should the rt_functab for tnurbs morph into the brep one? |
| 19:38.02 | ``Erik | that'd wig out import/export |
| 19:38.16 | brlcad | you don't need to use the macro, but shows the basic form (or just declare them simple) .. it's temporary either way |
| 19:38.25 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:39.19 | starseeker | is figuring the rt_functab stuff for brep should be handled Sometime Soon Now... |
| 19:39.42 | brlcad | until it's obsoleted, I wouldn't touch the functab entries -- the guts to those functions need to change |
| 19:40.38 | brlcad | sure, you can add them now if you like -- just have to be careful you don't blow a loop somewhere |
| 19:41.04 | brlcad | i've been working on hiding the functab |
| 19:41.12 | starseeker | oh, OK |
| 19:41.17 | starseeker | that's different |
| 19:41.22 | brlcad | right now it's the only way in the api to get at primitives and their callbacks |
| 19:41.31 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:41.53 | brlcad | without calling the primitive-specific function directly, of course |
| 19:42.23 | brlcad | i started with mirror, and it just turned out to be a lot to chew on, still at it |
| 19:42.47 | starseeker | am I right that we're basically looking at needing most of the facetize type logic for "nurbize" as well? |
| 19:43.27 | brlcad | idea will be to have a corresponding rt_*() api call for each of the functab entries -- the rt_*() calls into the functab |
| 19:43.53 | brlcad | que? |
| 19:43.53 | brlcad | not necessarily |
| 19:43.53 | starseeker | given CSG primitives, we can currently run facetize, big E, etc. to get mesh |
| 19:44.04 | starseeker | don't we want the same to "get" nurbs? |
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| 19:45.34 | brlcad | ah, at the command level .. yeah, probably |
| 19:45.47 | brlcad | probably an option for some commands, default for others |
| 19:45.55 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:46.18 | brlcad | bigE/ev's purpose is visualization, so they could just be updated to be nurbs-only if ogl is available |
| 19:46.42 | brlcad | evaluated visualization |
| 19:46.59 | starseeker | maybe - might want to have a bot fallback if someone's ogl isn't up to NURBS though |
| 19:47.09 | brlcad | nurbize is kinda funky, don't see a direct need like there was for facetize outside of debugging yet |
| 19:47.35 | starseeker | for that matter, do we really need facetize? |
| 19:47.47 | brlcad | E/ev are rarely used these days on real geometry because of the robustness problems |
| 19:48.27 | starseeker | In the new GUI I'm assuming it will be hidden behind view modes rather than specific command line things like that? |
| 19:48.47 | brlcad | it being? |
| 19:49.23 | talcite_ | brlcad: build was successful, make install failed |
| 19:49.27 | starseeker | the functionality of switching between wireframe, shaded, etc |
| 19:49.44 | brlcad | yeah, those are just viewing options in the gui |
| 19:50.14 | talcite_ | http://fpaste.org/ttBy/ |
| 19:50.22 | brlcad | lots of potential viewing options that can be exposed through a panel or buttons or keys or what-have-you |
| 19:52.42 | starseeker | brlcad: what's the best way to create a bn_tol to toss into rt_*_brep? |
| 19:53.00 | brlcad | cd /home/matthew/rpmbuild/BUILD/brlcad-SVN_010809/src/libbn && /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c libbn.la '/home/matthew/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/brlcad-SVN_010809-0.fc11.x86_64/usr/lib64/brlcad' |
| 19:53.43 | talcite_ | brlcad: http://fpaste.org/1RJZ/ |
| 19:54.05 | brlcad | starseeker: er, create a tol struct and pass a ref to it? :) |
| 19:54.14 | brlcad | init it with some values.. |
| 19:54.55 | starseeker | ok, so it won't much care whether it's the same as the database being written to? |
| 19:55.55 | brlcad | talcite_: hrm, now we're fighting libtool .. |
| 19:56.19 | brlcad | starseeker: databases don't have a tolerance |
| 19:56.52 | starseeker | oh, OK |
| 19:56.55 | brlcad | they're working tolerances |
| 19:57.18 | brlcad | you're telling it what computation tolerances it needs to use .. which is kinda odd for *brep() |
| 19:57.46 | brlcad | probably just from being started as a copy of tess() or the old tnurb() interface |
| 19:57.53 | starseeker | oh |
| 19:58.01 | starseeker | shall I clean it up? |
| 19:58.05 | brlcad | not harmful, though .. maybe important for some primitives where it will be some sort of approximation |
| 19:58.49 | brlcad | could see tol being important for dsp, ebm |
| 20:01.14 | starseeker | hmm, point. ok |
| 20:04.25 | talcite_ | brlcad: I'm going to switch locations. I'll be back in 20 minutes ok? |
| 20:04.29 | brlcad | aha, talcite .. one more sed |
| 20:04.33 | talcite_ | sure |
| 20:05.29 | brlcad | s/^hardcode_automatic=.*$/hardcode_automatic=yes/g |
| 20:05.52 | brlcad | that should prevent that relink rule from kicking off |
| 20:07.45 | brlcad | i'll be somewhat impressed if this actually works :) |
| 20:07.45 | talcite_ | alright, rebuild started. I'm switching locations now |
| 20:07.54 | brlcad | kcya |
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| 20:12.53 | starseeker | growls as he sees the brep.cpp files are all extradisted.... |
| 20:14.25 | starseeker | brlcad: do I link in just sph_brep.o or whatever to avoid depending on librt in a procdb? |
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| 20:17.38 | starseeker | grrrrowlll. Oh, lovely - sph_brep.cpp doesn't build |
| 20:19.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35556 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm-rtgl.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): grouping jobs for decent job shuffling |
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| 20:37.06 | talcite | brlcad, argh. It's still failing the check-rpaths test |
| 20:37.39 | talcite | brlcad, this tool has been known to give false positives in some cases though. Do you know of another method to check for rpaths? |
| 20:47.22 | brlcad | talcite: well if you don't set rpaths and haven't added the path to /etc, the binaries shouldn't work |
| 20:47.35 | brlcad | ldd /usr/bin/rt |
| 20:51.20 | talcite | brlcad, http://fpaste.org/Chsp/ |
| 20:56.30 | brlcad | that looks like a lack of rpaths |
| 20:56.56 | brlcad | assuming that is your installation prefix |
| 20:57.14 | starseeker | thanks ``Erik for noticing that rt_sph_brep is mangled and decides linking can wait 'til Monday... |
| 20:57.16 | brlcad | if it's chrooted, you'll have to try it again in the root |
| 20:57.58 | talcite | hmm it's just an installation prefix |
| 20:58.06 | talcite | well maybe seeing the check-rpaths output would help |
| 20:59.29 | brlcad | sure |
| 20:59.40 | talcite | http://fpaste.org/MoSZ/ |
| 21:03.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35557 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sph/sph_brep.cpp: unpooch it |
| 21:04.58 | brlcad | talcite: ah, so they do have an rpath, they have a preinstallation rpath so you can run them without installing them |
| 21:05.22 | brlcad | which is exactly why it tried to relink them earlier |
| 21:05.29 | brlcad | to get rid of that path |
| 21:05.37 | brlcad | starseeker: compiles now |
| 21:06.28 | talcite | brlcad, I see. So what are our options? |
| 21:08.13 | brlcad | talcite: i'm really liking the bail-out option :) |
| 21:08.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35558 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): enable sph_brep.cpp compilation |
| 21:08.28 | talcite | brlcad, bail out? =S |
| 21:08.54 | brlcad | BuildRequires: chrpath |
| 21:09.36 | talcite | haha yeah, we could do that. I'm not sure what it actually does though. If you delete the files with rpaths in it, doesn't it break other stuff? |
| 21:09.43 | brlcad | my feeling is even if we get something hacking.. it's going to be fragile to libtool updates |
| 21:10.14 | brlcad | talcite: that tool simply strips out the rpath |
| 21:10.21 | brlcad | doesn't delete files |
| 21:10.24 | talcite | oh I see |
| 21:10.54 | talcite | sure, I wouldn't mind doing that. the libtool stuff is really finicky |
| 21:11.13 | brlcad | so you'd let it build and install, then set up a massive chrpath --delete on all 400+ binaries |
| 21:11.42 | talcite | brlcad, and after the rpaths are deleted, it would turn to ld to find the libs? |
| 21:12.20 | brlcad | fwiw, the claim that "the Linux dynamic linker is usually smarter than a hardcoded path" is a boatload of crap :) |
| 21:12.36 | brlcad | they're both flimsy |
| 21:12.56 | talcite | heh. Well I think there was one specific reason that distros avoided rpaths. I was reading about it on the debian mailing lists |
| 21:13.03 | brlcad | to insist on one over the other is a bit silly, but hey their system their rules |
| 21:13.18 | talcite | it was massively breaking some upgrades I think |
| 21:13.34 | brlcad | that usually indicates some other stupidity on someone's part |
| 21:13.51 | brlcad | debian and fedora are similarly managed *ahem* |
| 21:13.55 | talcite | anyways, debian also bans rpaths, so if the chrpaths method works, we can probably push to package this into debian as well =D |
| 21:13.57 | talcite | heh |
| 21:15.27 | brlcad | ports, fink, portage, and others all get along just fine not getting involved in whether they're set or not |
| 21:16.42 | brlcad | I suspect it just makes package management easier for the package management *system* developers, pushing the work onto the porters to customize most packages |
| 21:18.14 | talcite | oh... =/ |
| 21:18.21 | brlcad | the debian devs also insist of screwing with libtool directly to impose one of their requirements, which actually outright breaks packages that include public libraries with binaries |
| 21:18.49 | brlcad | that's the BC_PATCH_LIBTOOL I mentioned earlier .. reverts damage they make to the libtool script that causes failures |
| 21:21.52 | talcite | oh...yeah I think fedora also has patches applied to libtool |
| 21:31.26 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35559 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: thread monkeying. pass args to gtk_init() |
| 21:31.55 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35560 10/isst/trunk/src/ (isst.h load_g.c): disable "fast" loading for now. |
| 21:38.39 | talcite | alright, hopefully that build will work out. I need to head out for a bit. I will be back later |
| 21:49.03 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35561 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: get shotline working again. |
| 22:49.43 | ``Erik | hm |
| 22:50.25 | ``Erik | damn linux weenies, screwing up build systems and thinking it's a good thing |
| 22:50.28 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:59.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35562 10/isst/trunk/src/ (local_worker.c net_worker.c): updates for osX.5 |
| 23:04.19 | brlcad | talcite_: thanks again for your efforts |
| 23:07.30 | ``Erik | thinks he'll put in a loader dialog then try to cook a winderz binary of isst O.o |
| 23:07.37 | ``Erik | and chuck it over the fence |
| 23:08.52 | ``Erik | (btw, facetize_all_regions or facetall.sh ... needs to be unsucked.) |
| 00:00.48 | starseeker | brlcad: ah, thanks :-) |
| 00:01.29 | starseeker | actually got it to compile - it was C++ name mangling that (apparently) made the BU_EXTERN not work |
| 00:04.21 | starseeker | ``Erik: right? |
| 00:05.11 | ``Erik | oh, it compiled? |
| 00:05.21 | ``Erik | nm made it look like a c++ name mangle issue to me |
| 00:05.38 | ``Erik | the symbol had all sorts of signature goop on it in the library |
| 00:08.23 | ``Erik | (the BU_EXTERN() macro shouldn't do anything weird wrt c++... *shrug*) |
| 00:09.22 | ``Erik | hm, might just be apple name mangling... not used to looking at the guts of dylib |
| 00:15.01 | ``Erik | hm, anything g++ touches gets mangled like mad, gcc itself just puts a _ at the beginning :/ |
| 00:49.14 | brlcad | BU_EXTERN is only valid inside an extern "C" block |
| 00:49.24 | brlcad | in a c++ file |
| 00:52.48 | ``Erik | ahhhh, epiphany, I grok now |
| 00:53.19 | ``Erik | it tells c++ to not mangle, extern itself does not |
| 00:53.48 | ``Erik | (ya'd think a C style definition would convince c++ to play by C's rules... apparently not.) |
| 00:55.34 | ``Erik | brlcad: didja email a ticket in for the hw check of crit? |
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| 06:48.58 | talcite_ | will our scripts in /usr/bin/brlcad always be suffixed with a .sh extension? |
| 06:49.15 | talcite_ | I need a way of identifying which are ELF executables and which aren't |
| 06:52.10 | jdoliner | um According to hacking POSIX Bourne Style Scripts use the .sh extension |
| 06:52.23 | jdoliner | so it is indeed a rule |
| 06:52.38 | jdoliner | line 399 |
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| 09:12.32 | talcite_ | holy crap. It finally built with all the rpaths removed =D |
| 09:12.54 | talcite_ | This is going to be awesome. I'm throwing it into my VM to test as soon as the whole RPM finishes building =D |
| 11:45.27 | brlcad | almost always, there are three notable exceptions: benchmark, archer, and brlman |
| 11:46.27 | brlcad | they live as .sh in the sources but are installed without suffix for end-users |
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| 12:51.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35563 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/ (Makefile.am rtwizard rtwizard.tcl): store rtwizard as rtwizard.tcl and merely install it as 'rtwizard' so that the file format is evident within the source hierarchy. |
| 13:28.28 | ``Erik | what're the tcl commands for tree walking? |
| 13:29.34 | ``Erik | facetall.sh and foreach reg $mybots { mv $reg $reg.csg; r $reg u $reg.bot } make me sad |
| 13:30.52 | ``Erik | (using mged myfile.g tops 2>&1 | xargs -n 1 | grep '\.bot$' | xargs and pasting the result into set mybots {xxx}) |
| 13:32.24 | ``Erik | optimally, I'd like to dup a specified tree, with a postfix modifier and a per region function |
| 13:34.47 | ``Erik | (dup-tree :postfix ".f" :region-callback (lambda (r) (facetize (string-append (name region) ".f") r) r))) |
| 13:35.10 | ``Erik | or, y'know... something |
| 13:44.07 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35564 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/rtwizard.tcl: cleanup |
| 13:45.23 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35565 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): the other suffix outlier, store brlman.in as brlman.sh.in so that the file format is evident within the source hierarchy as brlman.sh |
| 13:46.40 | tofu | tree walking in tcl is a manual process |
| 13:47.00 | ``Erik | 'k, how? (lame) |
| 13:47.01 | tofu | there are a couple helper procs |
| 13:47.25 | ``Erik | (and why was I unable to find this info on the web?) |
| 13:47.49 | tofu | get_regions shows a recursive traversal that looks for regions |
| 13:47.56 | tofu | src/tclscripts/mged/get_regions.tcl |
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| 13:48.52 | ``Erik | also; btclsh help lists all the neato mged functions but cannot execute them |
| 13:50.19 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be because 'help' is a tcl proc, src/tclscripts/help.tcl |
| 13:50.33 | brlcad | it shouldn't be - needs to be a libged func |
| 13:50.57 | brlcad | that's a chunk of refactoring I've had in mind for a while, but haven't gotten to it |
| 13:50.57 | ``Erik | <-- never digs into tcl shtuff, just pointing out surprises |
| 13:51.28 | ``Erik | was one of those "have a task, looks likeit should be easy in tcl, lets go learn tcl" deals |
| 13:52.08 | brlcad | nah, it was part of an earlier refactoring that pushed more towards tcl |
| 13:52.37 | brlcad | since half the commands are in tcl, half the help was there, the other half was in a c callback table |
| 13:52.53 | brlcad | the callback table was merged into the tcl table so that all help was in one plce |
| 13:53.23 | brlcad | now with libged, though, the commands really should be self-contained and define their own help/docs |
| 13:53.37 | brlcad | even if it means a separate help table for the tcl procs still |
| 13:54.30 | ``Erik | heh |
| 13:54.35 | ``Erik | if only C had docstrings |
| 13:57.00 | ``Erik | also; "foreach reg [get_regions tank] { echo $reg }" does't print anything, but other ops do shtuff... is echo not quite right? or am I doing something stupid (is this related to the "only the last command prints" bug?) |
| 13:57.13 | brlcad | thinking to make it more like table.c style with sets of callbacks/info per command |
| 13:57.30 | brlcad | puts |
| 13:58.12 | ``Erik | ermmmm, ok, that displays... well.... tank... |
| 13:58.54 | ``Erik | heh... |
| 13:58.55 | ``Erik | mged> foreach reg [get_regions tank] { puts "$reg" } |
| 13:58.55 | ``Erik | tank |
| 13:59.13 | ``Erik | mged> get_regions tank |
| 13:59.13 | ``Erik | r1 r2 r3 r4 r5 r6 r7 r8 r9 r10 r21 r22 r204 r205 r15 r16 r17 r18 r19 r211 r215 r216 r217 r218 r219 r220 r221 r222 r223 r224 r225 r226 r227 r228 r229 r230 r231 r232 r233 r234 r235 r236 r237 r238 r239 r240 r241 r242 r243 r244 r210 r212 r32 r33 r34 r35 r36 r37 r38 r39 r40 r41 r42 r43 r44 r45 r245 r246 r247 r248 r249 r250 r251 r252 r253 r254 r23 r24 r25 r26 |
| 13:59.32 | ``Erik | probably need something like [list [get_regions tank]] |
| 13:59.52 | ``Erik | it's too damn early and saturday, I'm calling my brain on vacation :) |
| 14:03.17 | ``Erik | 'k, I'm gonna pull the doof card, show me the tcl fu to walk a given tree and facetize all the regions, I'm looking for each region to contain exactly one BoT (thus "isst-optimized") :) I think I'm close, but missing a couple details |
| 14:03.35 | ``Erik | and one of us can wiki an explaination I guess |
| 14:05.15 | ``Erik | (why does puts work when echo does not?) |
| 14:13.59 | ``Erik | heh proc fib {a} { if { $a < 2} {return 1} {return [expr [fib [expr $a-1]] + [fib [expr $a - 2]]]}} |
| 14:14.19 | ``Erik | language bootcamp :( |
| 14:17.03 | ``Erik | favors (defun fib (a) (if (< a 2) 1 (+ (fib (- a 1)) (fib (- a 2))))) O:-) |
| 14:25.10 | brlcad | er |
| 14:25.24 | brlcad | what you wrote was write |
| 14:25.45 | brlcad | you're probably forgetting you're in mged with globbing left on :) |
| 14:25.49 | brlcad | set glob_compat_mode 0 |
| 14:26.41 | brlcad | er, and s/write/right/ |
| 14:27.06 | ``Erik | ahhh |
| 14:28.02 | ``Erik | \[ works |
| 14:28.24 | brlcad | yeah, you can escape all the globbing chars and it'll still work |
| 14:28.33 | brlcad | or just turn off globbing |
| 14:30.10 | brlcad | useful if you want globbing AND tcl, but it will tend to be very sensitive to writespace as the globber is pretty simple |
| 14:30.19 | brlcad | whitespace even |
| 14:30.30 | brlcad | foreach reg \[ get_regions *.g \] {puts $reg} |
| 14:31.33 | ``Erik | foreach reg \[get_regions tank] {puts $reg} seems to work |
| 14:32.02 | ``Erik | (no forth style space buffering, no escaping the closing bracket, ...) |
| 14:32.39 | ``Erik | I d'no, I should wait for tuesday :) and do some less worky shit for now |
| 14:34.48 | brlcad | i mean you'll need the spaces if you also want globbing |
| 14:34.56 | brlcad | the globber won't like *.g\] |
| 14:35.08 | ``Erik | ah |
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| 21:21.20 | talcite | I just did an svn up. Is the head stable right now? |
| 21:31.37 | Ralith | theoretically. |
| 21:31.49 | Ralith | by definition, head is technically not stable |
| 21:31.55 | Ralith | but there's no particular reason it should be broken |
| 21:32.50 | talcite | Ralith, alright, sounds good |
| 21:33.11 | Ralith | don't forget to rerun autogen.sh |
| 21:33.28 | talcite | yup. Its in the %prep of the spec file |
| 21:57.37 | talcite | hey guys. Why is there a .jnilib file in my build? |
| 21:57.47 | talcite | I'm building on fedora. Those libs shouldn't exist should they? |
| 22:18.39 | talcite | oh, and when is the new release coming out? I'm thinking of submitting that one for review by the repo maintainers |
| 22:18.57 | talcite | it's been any day now for the past couple weeks =D |
| 22:29.21 | Ralith | When It's Done |
| 22:50.34 | talcite | oh... hey why isn't there a LICENSE file included? Doesn't LGPL require one? |
| 22:57.47 | ``Erik | we have COPYING or something |
| 22:59.07 | ``Erik | .jnilib might be generated by src/librtserver which is a java interaface via RNI or something |
| 22:59.18 | ``Erik | new release is "any day now" |
| 23:00.25 | talcite | heh. Alright. I'll submit the svn head for review and update to the new release when it comes |
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| 23:01.28 | ``Erik | I'm letting the fbsd update kinda float |
| 23:01.33 | ``Erik | pending update |
| 23:01.45 | talcite | ahh. so you're the fbsd maintainer? Cool |
| 23:01.59 | ``Erik | I should let them know that the current pr is bunk |
| 23:02.12 | ``Erik | had to fix a bunch of crap for update... tkhtml3 is a bitch |
| 23:02.38 | talcite | I think we could probably get SUSE and debian maintainers soon. I don't think the packaging guidelines are that different between the major distros |
| 23:02.50 | ``Erik | yeh, doing packaging duty gives me a gardener hat to help keep things sane.. |
| 23:03.19 | ``Erik | but then ya get fools who think that it needs to be installed /usr/ and it goes back to hell... damn linux weenies :) |
| 23:03.49 | ``Erik | debian was cool with us having our own dir iirc |
| 23:04.34 | talcite | we have debian inclusion? |
| 23:04.56 | ``Erik | misc/debian/ |
| 23:05.09 | ``Erik | we have had the ability... |
| 23:05.15 | talcite | oh ok |
| 23:05.51 | ``Erik | I lost my debian machine like 4 years ago so I quit mucking with them folk |
| 23:06.11 | ``Erik | (note misc/brlcad.spec...) |
| 23:06.56 | talcite | I find it hard to believe that someone else hasn't picked up package maintainership in that while |
| 23:07.06 | talcite | plus, don't they have remote build systems? |
| 23:07.37 | ``Erik | they probably do... but I can't generate a .deb file myself |
| 23:08.00 | talcite | oh yeah |
| 23:08.01 | talcite | heh |
| 23:08.10 | ``Erik | and my .rpm files would be enterprise specific *shrug* fbsd is one of the few "common" archs I can do :) |
| 23:08.23 | talcite | enterprise specific? |
| 23:08.27 | talcite | doesn't ubuntu pull from debian? |
| 23:08.33 | ``Erik | yeah, I have access to RHEL, not fedora |
| 23:08.40 | talcite | oh ok |
| 23:08.53 | ``Erik | ubuntu is a descendant of debian, yes... |
| 23:09.25 | ``Erik | but the only linux boxen I have access to are redhat enterprise |
| 23:09.36 | ``Erik | even brlcad.org is fbsd these days :) |
| 23:09.38 | talcite | what's the inclusion path for RHEL repos anyways? |
| 23:10.00 | ``Erik | doesn't know and doesn't care... |
| 23:11.08 | talcite | well yeah I guess it's probably a pretty closed process |
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| 23:16.39 | talcite | do we have a standard icon for brlcad? |
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| 10:45.38 | talcite_ | I'm going to take a nap, so just leaving a question. Do we have any official icon or symbol? I need to include an icon for the menu item. I'm also terrible at art, so I can't really make anything myself. |
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| 18:05.02 | starseeker | hmm cp: ../../../brlcad/src/brlman/brlman.sh: No such file or directory |
| 18:06.07 | starseeker | looks like out of dir build isn't working... |
| 18:06.10 | starseeker | oh, I see |
| 18:08.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35569 10/brlcad/trunk/src/brlman/Makefile.am: Now that it's brlman.sh.in rather than brlman.sh, look to copy brlman.sh to brlman from the build directory rather than the src directory (fixes out of dir build) |
| 18:10.31 | brlcad | ah, the bench script it was based off of has the script in srcdir .. that one is configure-generated |
| 18:12.26 | starseeker | brlcad: do I need to BU_EXTERN in sph_brep.cpp or can it be done in csgbrep.cpp? |
| 18:34.25 | brlcad | definitely not in sph_brep.cpp |
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| 18:34.33 | brlcad | it just needs to be declared somewhere before it's used |
| 18:34.36 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
| 18:34.45 | brlcad | it can be done in your proc |
| 18:35.14 | mafm | hello |
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| 18:59.59 | starseeker | brlcad: I've BU_EXTERNed in csgbrep.cpp but ld still gives back /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: |
| 19:00.02 | starseeker | _rt_sph_brep |
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| 19:01.56 | starseeker | nm reports: nm ../../src/librt/.libs/librt.dylib |grep rt_sph_brep |
| 19:01.56 | starseeker | 0035efe6 s __GLOBAL__I__Z11rt_sph_brepPP7ON_BrepPK14rt_db_internalPK6bn_tol |
| 19:02.09 | starseeker | 002a9d60 T __Z11rt_sph_brepPP7ON_BrepPK14rt_db_internalPK6bn_tol |
| 19:04.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35570 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am csgbrep.cpp): Still tweaking csgbrep.cpp... |
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| 19:21.41 | brlcad | starseeker: don't use the macro, just declare the function normally |
| 19:23.37 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35571 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (librt/primitives/sph/sph_brep.cpp proc-db/csgbrep.cpp): Got a nurbs sphere using csgbrep |
| 19:23.54 | starseeker | brlcad: uh, whoops - is that OK? |
| 19:24.14 | starseeker | that worked... |
| 19:26.47 | brlcad | yeah, it'll work .. but it's kinda ancillary |
| 19:27.32 | brlcad | those macros mean something specific about exporting symbols to libraries, and you're not writing library code |
| 19:27.42 | brlcad | so it should just be a declaration |
| 19:27.54 | brlcad | the extern "C" bit is what made it work |
| 19:28.45 | starseeker | ah |
| 19:32.10 | starseeker | Yeah, I figured it was the extern "C" but I didn't know if that broke some sort of librt convention... |
| 19:32.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35572 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: Just use a simple extern in csgbrep |
| 19:36.35 | brlcad | that does, don't think it's the cleanest approach |
| 19:36.49 | brlcad | probably just have to pre-declare the function linkage properly |
| 19:37.09 | brlcad | which won't matter later |
| 19:37.37 | starseeker | OK. Well, it gets me up and working for the moment, and we can decide on the "best" approach later |
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| 19:50.48 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35573 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Start setting up for rt_ell_brep |
| 20:17.49 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35574 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: |
| 20:17.49 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Try the rt_ell_brep code - some problems with the geometry resulting from it. |
| 20:17.49 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Even more troubleing is that sph and ell don't want to run at the same time - |
| 20:17.49 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: problem seems to be having ON_Brep* obj = new ... used more than once. |
| 20:35.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35575 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: Added Make Loops to match the new curves head to tail to create the new trim loops for the Faces |
| 21:02.28 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35576 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): changed hash lookup function to take *prev instead of unnecessary **prev |
| 21:07.38 | ``Erik | I thought nick was done O.o |
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| 21:30.21 | starseeker | grrrr |
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| 21:33.05 | starseeker | doesn't get it... why is this causing memory issues... |
| 21:37.34 | ``Erik | what is the issue? |
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| 23:40.09 | starseeker | ``Erik: still here? |
| 23:42.56 | starseeker | having two statements of the form ON_Brep* brep = new ON_Brep(); is causing seg faults |
| 23:49.40 | starseeker | and something about the rt_db_internal pointer is messed up by using it twice... |
| 00:01.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35577 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: Er, oops - how about providing some memory for the temporary rt_db_internal. Can now generate both sphere and ellipsoid, modulo problems with ellipsoid due to geometry errors. |
| 00:10.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35578 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Enable torus brep output in csgbrep |
| 00:17.54 | starseeker | breaths a sigh of relief - now we can start getting down to geometry |
| 00:26.37 | starseeker | opts to go home and start on geometry tomorrow... |
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| 08:15.47 | Ralith | anyone got a windows box set up for dev handy? |
| 08:15.52 | Ralith | I've got experimental windows code |
| 08:16.32 | Ralith | if this works, all that leaves is OSX support and the major windowing systems are covered. |
| 08:16.42 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35579 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (OgreGLWidget.cxx OgreGLWidget.h): Untested windows support for OgreGLWidget. |
| 08:37.05 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35580 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (GedCommand.cxx GedCommand.h): Added a convenience function to convert a QStringList into a char** for passing to libged. |
| 09:04.19 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35581 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (GedCommand.cxx GedCommand.h): Added convenience function for calling libged functions, assuming they all share type signature. |
| 09:05.25 | Ralith | talk about simplification. |
| 09:05.33 | Ralith | much DRYer, too. |
| 09:11.03 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35582 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (GedCommand.cxx GedCommand.h): Added convenience function to obtain last libged string command result. |
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| 09:12.13 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35583 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (GedCommand.cxx GedCommand.h): Modified libged call convenience function to return libged call return value. |
| 09:16.16 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35584 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/GedCommands.h: Adapted GedCommands.h to use new utility functions, drastically simplifying the file and reducing repeated code. Usage messages are now offloaded to libged. |
| 09:25.25 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35585 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (GedCommand.cxx GedCommand.h GedCommands.h): |
| 09:25.25 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: Moved convenience functionality into GedCommand proper, replacing the need for |
| 09:25.25 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: duplicate execute reimplementations in each new GedCommand with a simple |
| 09:25.25 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: requirement for the GedFunc to be wrapped to be specified in the constructor. |
| 09:27.10 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35586 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Command.cxx: Squashed unsigned vs. signed comparison warning. |
| 09:28.38 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35587 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Command.h Commands.h GedCommand.cxx GedCommand.h): Constified Command::execute's argument. |
| 09:29.46 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35588 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Command.cxx Command.h): Referenceified the return value of Command::getArgumentNames for consistency. |
| 09:33.42 | Ralith | yay, ged_reopen isn't bugging anymore |
| 09:33.52 | Ralith | and I've finally managed to confirm interaction with a database file :D |
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| 09:54.04 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35589 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Console.cxx Console.h OgreGLWidget.cxx): First attempt to make Console output vertically scrollable; simplifies code but results in invisible output. |
| 09:58.06 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35590 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Console output restored and now scrollable. Some oddities remain. |
| 10:01.20 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35591 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Set console output text alignment to bottom-left. |
| 10:04.57 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35592 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Restored proper output line formatting to console. |
| 10:16.38 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35593 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: First attempt to force scrollable console output to remain at the bottom; mostly unsuccessful. |
| 10:36.48 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35594 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/Console.cxx: Another attempt to force scrolling to remain at maximum, now resulting in correct scrolling alignment for the *last* command output. |
| 10:38.41 | d-lo_ | Nice stuff Ralith ;) |
| 10:38.48 | Ralith | thanks |
| 10:39.08 | Ralith | got a pair of challenging (minorish) issues right now :/ |
| 10:39.39 | d-lo_ | which are? |
| 10:39.41 | Ralith | in addition to the above scrolling issues, for some reason the output scrollbar is using the windows theme. |
| 10:39.49 | Ralith | which is downright strange. |
| 10:40.49 | d-lo_ | Hrm, that is strange. |
| 10:41.03 | d-lo_ | But, I agree, Minorish :) |
| 10:41.37 | Ralith | the scrolling thing seems to be expected behavior, but I'm still not sure how to go at it: adding text to the output QLabel does not immediately result in the QScrollArea adjusting itself, so the slider adjustment just moves it to the position for whatever the last known QLabel size was. |
| 10:42.04 | Ralith | most of the obvious angles cannot be guaranteed to work reliably. |
| 10:42.20 | Ralith | because Qt's slots are not guaranteed to be called in any particular order |
| 10:44.54 | Ralith | none of the 'update right now dammit' functions seem to be sufficient. |
| 10:47.43 | d-lo_ | Sorry, been bringing up the .cxx/.h |
| 10:47.56 | Ralith | heh |
| 10:47.57 | Ralith | no worries |
| 10:48.22 | Ralith | mostly discussing it in the hopes of jostling an idea in my own head; it probably requires more background than is worth the effort to obtain from scratch. |
| 10:50.10 | d-lo_ | Are QLabel objects designed to be multiline? |
| 10:51.00 | Ralith | yes, as far as I can tell. |
| 10:51.08 | Ralith | that bit certainly works fine. |
| 10:51.17 | Ralith | it resizes itself to acommodate. |
| 10:51.22 | Ralith | or, well |
| 10:51.32 | Ralith | widget size management in Qt is fairly involved |
| 10:51.46 | Ralith | (for good reason) |
| 10:52.08 | Ralith | but with the current code, the widget be resized itself to however large it need be on both axes to contain the text fed to it |
| 10:52.21 | d-lo_ | So, are you just trying to get the slider to adjust to a specific position based on an addition of text to the label? |
| 10:53.59 | Ralith | well |
| 10:54.13 | Ralith | right now, I'm simply telling the slider to go to its maximum position immediately after text is added. |
| 10:54.21 | Ralith | which is the desired behavior. |
| 10:54.28 | Ralith | hm, I wonder... |
| 10:54.45 | Ralith | no, nvm. |
| 10:55.38 | d-lo_ | Well I guess I don't understand the scrolling problem then, heh :) |
| 10:56.29 | Ralith | the problem is that the QScrollArea doesn't seem to adjust itself for the QLabel resize until it gets normally updated |
| 10:56.37 | Ralith | which occurs *after* pushOutput returns |
| 10:57.35 | Ralith | which means that any adjustment of the QScrollArea's scroll positioning is applied to a QScrollArea having dimensions fitting the pre-append output label. |
| 10:57.40 | d-lo_ | ah. i c. |
| 10:58.53 | Ralith | at this point I'm hoping there's some clever auto-alignment trick that will fix everything. |
| 11:01.53 | d-lo | what about extending the QLabel class to your own custom class, make a custom 'TextUpdated' signal that fires whenever you call ->setText() ? |
| 11:02.15 | d-lo | just wire that textUpdated signal into the Scrollbar resize logic. |
| 11:04.22 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35595 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Console.cxx Console.h): Const-ref-ified Console::pushOutput's argument. |
| 11:04.45 | Ralith | d-lo: such a signal already exists. Lemme give that a try. |
| 11:05.56 | d-lo | really? I am looking at the API::QLabel docs and see no signal thats usable :/ |
| 11:06.13 | Ralith | oh, wait, I was thinking of QLineEdit |
| 11:06.39 | Ralith | however... |
| 11:07.56 | d-lo | Hrm, thats just dumb actually. having a TextUpdated signal seems only logical for a QLabel... why isn't it in there? |
| 11:08.17 | Ralith | probably because a QLabel's text can only be changed by the program anyway |
| 11:08.24 | Ralith | also |
| 11:08.30 | Ralith | I *think* you can connect a slot to another slot |
| 11:08.32 | Ralith | but I'm not sure |
| 11:08.41 | Ralith | however, quoth the docs: |
| 11:08.44 | d-lo | O.o |
| 11:08.51 | Ralith | When a signal is emitted, the slots connected to it are usually executed immediately |
| 11:09.12 | Ralith | meaning that this would have the same ultimate effect as what I'm doing already |
| 11:10.19 | d-lo | Hrm, again, maybe I am missing the issue. I thought that the QLabel was resizing properly, but the associated QScrollArea was not? |
| 11:10.44 | Ralith | that is correct. |
| 11:10.46 | Ralith | the problem is timing |
| 11:10.51 | Ralith | or well |
| 11:10.54 | Ralith | that is approx. correct |
| 11:11.03 | Ralith | the QScrollArea *is* resizing properly, but *after* pushOutput returns. |
| 11:11.16 | Ralith | I believe this is normal. |
| 11:11.28 | d-lo | So, if you Subclass QLabel and override .setText() so that it calls QLabel::setText() first, then emits the custom textUpdated() signal, then returns. |
| 11:12.07 | d-lo | Okay, well, I think I see what you are saying now. |
| 11:12.55 | Ralith | then that would have the same effect as what I'm doing already |
| 11:13.18 | d-lo | have you thought about making a dedicated GUI update thread/system? Seems like this is a thread sequencing issue. |
| 11:14.29 | Ralith | ahah! |
| 11:14.30 | Ralith | solution! |
| 11:14.44 | Ralith | public slot QAbstractSlider::rangeChanged |
| 11:15.35 | d-lo | Good deal.. but what's the signal? |
| 11:15.40 | Ralith | er |
| 11:15.42 | Ralith | that was a signal |
| 11:15.48 | d-lo | kk |
| 11:15.49 | Ralith | it's 4AM >_> |
| 11:15.56 | d-lo | NO EXCUSES! |
| 11:16.00 | d-lo | ;) |
| 11:17.05 | Ralith | wires it up |
| 11:18.03 | d-lo | I don't see how that willhelp :/ Unless the rangeChanged fires before the QSliderArea resizes itself... |
| 11:19.13 | Ralith | all I have to do is connect outputArea->verticalScrollBar()'s rangeChanged to a local slot that sets the scrollbar position to max |
| 11:20.47 | d-lo | Oh, all you were trying to do was to get the scrollbar to go full the fully max position? I thought 'resize' ment the QScrollBar was physically changing size, lol |
| 11:21.10 | Ralith | nah, it's the QScrollArea which resizes |
| 11:21.24 | Ralith | its virtual area, anyway |
| 11:21.38 | d-lo | s/QScrollBar/QScrollArea/g |
| 11:22.03 | Ralith | yeah |
| 11:22.15 | Ralith | when it resizes, the viewport position remains constant |
| 11:22.40 | Ralith | so the additional QLabel content is off to the bottom and the scrollbar is adjusted to match the larger range |
| 11:22.59 | d-lo | Well QAbstractSlider has public setValue(int) slot that you could use... or are ya? |
| 11:23.56 | Ralith | er |
| 11:23.57 | Ralith | it does? |
| 11:23.58 | Ralith | where? |
| 11:24.13 | Ralith | oh wait |
| 11:24.16 | Ralith | QAbstractSlider |
| 11:24.18 | Ralith | not ScrollArea |
| 11:24.35 | Ralith | yeah, that's basically equivalent to what I'm already doing |
| 11:24.49 | Ralith | it doesn't map cleanly onto rangeChanged's data so I have to use a custom one anyway |
| 11:25.02 | d-lo | right on. just casually browsing the Qt Api. saw it, figured i'd mention it :) |
| 11:25.58 | Ralith | nods |
| 11:26.16 | Ralith | now I just have to work out exactly what syntax to use to make the connection work :| |
| 11:26.29 | Ralith | it tends to be picky and fail silently. |
| 11:28.31 | Ralith | got it! |
| 11:28.34 | Ralith | :D |
| 11:28.36 | Ralith | works a dream. |
| 11:28.42 | d-lo | applauds. |
| 11:31.17 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35596 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (Console.cxx Console.h): Fully functional vertical console output scrolling. |
| 11:36.02 | d-lo | now how about wrapping up that QLabel + QScrollArea functionality into a single, new QWidget? ;) |
| 11:36.23 | Ralith | good idea. |
| 11:37.01 | Ralith | I might wait until I can fix/verify linewrapping |
| 11:38.36 | Ralith | or until there is actually a need for such functionality elsewhere >_> |
| 11:38.53 | Ralith | (this is how HistoryLineEdit came about) |
| 11:39.08 | d-lo | kewl |
| 13:23.15 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 13:49.04 | starseeker | is getting a funny behavior when he goes to MGED camera, then does a Shift+left mouse click and hold to drag the object |
| 13:49.14 | starseeker | it's spinning around as I drag it |
| 13:50.19 | starseeker | Ralith: very cool work! |
| 13:50.41 | starseeker | Is the command dialog supposed to disappear when you click on the button again and/or run a command? |
| 13:51.54 | starseeker | screenshot, for those interested: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/g3d_latest.png |
| 14:01.14 | ``Erik | that is most definitely not an m35 deuce and a half on the screen. |
| 14:02.10 | starseeker | true |
| 14:02.24 | starseeker | that's just a demonstration of the ability to run SOME command that queries the database |
| 14:02.57 | ``Erik | it's not the 24th yet :) |
| 14:03.52 | ``Erik | libgcv is probbably the best avenue to get triangles from .g files.... isst/src/load_g.c is one way to do it |
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| 15:21.23 | starseeker | can anybody else play this video? http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/g3d.avi |
| 15:21.59 | starseeker | lord that was a job, but screenshots just don't do for this |
| 15:24.47 | archivist | plays on ubuntu, some artifacts though |
| 15:26.14 | starseeker | what sort? |
| 15:29.43 | starseeker | (for the record, had to install https://devel.neopsis.com/projects/yukon/wiki/WikiStart, record, run /tmp/yukon.seom through seom-filter to a file (file.y4m), then mencoder file.y4m -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vpvpass=1 -o g3d.avi |
| 15:29.58 | starseeker | (on gentoo linux) |
| 15:30.21 | starseeker | er that's vpass not vpvpass |
| 15:31.11 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35597 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard/HumanWizard.tcl: Fixed humanwizard so it doesn't totally break archer. |
| 16:15.33 | brlcad | hehe, cool starseeker |
| 16:15.40 | brlcad | plays fine in MPlayer |
| 16:15.57 | brlcad | quicktime doesn't have the codec |
| 16:23.09 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35598 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard.tcl: Changed case so that way human wizard works more. |
| 16:26.35 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35599 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/Makefile.am tk/Makefile.am): if we're going to install non-versioned wish/tclsh, we need to uninstall them |
| 16:46.38 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35600 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard/HumanWizard.tcl: |
| 16:46.38 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: Fixed lots of variable problems. Now actually loads dialog box!! |
| 16:46.38 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: Unfortunatly, does not create human... yet... |
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| 20:15.19 | starseeker | indianlarry: Getting some raytrace artifacts with the boolean subtraction of a torus from a sphere in nurbs: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/sph-tor.g |
| 20:19.32 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35610 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (Makefile.am human.c): |
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| 20:19.32 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: Modified Makefile to allow this to happen |
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| 20:23.33 | brlcad | any news on the rpm? |
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| 20:35.40 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: since most of the build tree is warning clean now, plan to utilize more strict |
| 20:35.40 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: compilation options in those subdirs if the compiler supports it. this should |
| 20:35.40 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: help prevent new bad habits and lazinesses from getting injected. |
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| 21:50.10 | Ralith | starseeker: you got it working? :D |
| 21:50.52 | Ralith | good call on the command dialog closing on execute, didn't think of that but it's the obvious thing to do |
| 21:53.07 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35617 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CommandDialog.cxx MainWindow.cxx): Cleaned up empty argument lists in calls to QObject::connect and made the command dialog auto-hide when a command is ran. |
| 21:56.07 | brlcad | Ralith: maybe you can fix that translate bug |
| 21:56.16 | Ralith | tr-- oh yeah |
| 21:56.16 | brlcad | then we can remake the video |
| 21:56.28 | brlcad | and post it up on the site |
| 21:56.33 | Ralith | the mged camera mode shift-click-drag thing? |
| 21:56.54 | brlcad | yep |
| 21:56.58 | Ralith | yeah |
| 21:57.17 | Ralith | I may just scrap mafm's camera management thing :/ |
| 21:57.25 | Ralith | oh, btw |
| 21:57.35 | Ralith | what's libged's relationship to the display supposed to be? |
| 21:57.41 | Ralith | I notice it implements commands like 'zap' |
| 22:03.03 | brlcad | it's supposed to provide display lists (or similar visualization representations) that the application manages |
| 22:03.33 | brlcad | I wouldn't think you should scrap his cameras .. probably some pretty minor bug, uninitialized matrix or something |
| 22:04.30 | Ralith | it's the second such minor bug with no obvious cause |
| 22:04.44 | brlcad | as for libged, for example, if you "draw foo", it should load up 'foo' from disk and obtain a visual representation (e.g. the wireframe or polygons), and present that back to the caller |
| 22:05.12 | brlcad | right now it effectively does that by loading up display lists for the primitives and stashes them in the ged struct |
| 22:05.39 | brlcad | the calling application can then iterate over those display lists and pump them to ogre |
| 22:06.24 | mafm | meh, nothing of my code is left :P |
| 22:06.57 | brlcad | mafm: hehe, not true |
| 22:06.59 | Ralith | mafm: not at all! |
| 22:07.06 | Ralith | your command stuff is working quite nicely. |
| 22:07.21 | Ralith | logger, too |
| 22:07.27 | brlcad | even aa bunch of the main appliction framework is the same |
| 22:07.39 | brlcad | ya'll should keep at it :) |
| 22:07.43 | mafm | but camera code was so nice... :'( |
| 22:08.11 | brlcad | yeah, I don't think the camera code should be removed, the bugs don't seem that major |
| 22:08.19 | brlcad | and this one was specific to translations |
| 22:08.22 | brlcad | mafm: did you see the video? |
| 22:08.28 | mafm | nope |
| 22:08.53 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/g3d.avi |
| 22:09.10 | Ralith | will smack it a bit and see if he can't knock the issue loose |
| 22:09.22 | Ralith | it's probably using the same input for both translation *and* rotation or something |
| 22:11.16 | mafm | nice video :) |
| 22:11.36 | mafm | I was only whining... no problem in removing any of my code, of course |
| 22:13.13 | Ralith | hehe |
| 22:13.36 | Ralith | no need to do so gratuitously, either |
| 22:29.58 | Ralith | mafm: can you explain the purpose of the third parameter to void CameraMode::pan(float x, float y, SimpleVector3 originalCenter) |
| 22:31.10 | mafm | I think that there's some/several modes that zoom or move the object depending on the distance of the mouse from the center of the screen, or the originalCenter |
| 22:32.02 | mafm | so, when mouse moves from x=500 to x=550, if the origcenter.x=300, it calculates the base position subtracting x-origcenter.x |
| 22:32.08 | mafm | instead of from last mouse position |
| 22:32.57 | mafm | base position->current position |
| 22:33.33 | Ralith | but you already handle the absolute->relative conversion |
| 22:33.43 | Ralith | ooh I know the problem |
| 22:34.29 | mafm | mmm |
| 22:35.09 | mafm | I think that I had introduced it later in the design due to some functionality of MGED requiring it |
| 22:36.23 | mafm | but maybe it can be avoided with a redesign, or at least simplified |
| 22:36.47 | Ralith | it can |
| 22:46.27 | Ralith | okay, bug squashed |
| 22:47.28 | Ralith | brlcad: where can I find docs on the libged display list stuff? |
| 22:57.19 | Ralith | blarg |
| 22:57.21 | Ralith | smacks svn |
| 22:58.46 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03ralith * r35618 10/rt^3/trunk/src/g3d/ (CameraModeMGED.cxx CameraModeMGED.h): Simplified and fixed MGED camera panning. |
| 22:58.48 | Ralith | there we go |
| 22:58.52 | Ralith | brlcad: fixd! |
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| 23:35.44 | ``Erik | hm |
| 23:48.39 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r35620 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/bigE.c: Corrected display list to show the name of what is "E"'d |
| 23:48.56 | Ralith | anyone know where I can find docs on libged's display lists? |
| 00:48.30 | brlcad | no docs other than source code, best bet is to look at places in libged (such as bigE.c right above there in that last commit) and mged |
| 00:50.08 | brlcad | cool fix, have to give that a test! |
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| 02:15.04 | starseeker | Ralith: yep, that seems to have the translation bug - one oddity is it doesn't seem to completely "follow" the mouse at the same speed it's being dragged - is it scaling down the mouse movement on the whole desktop to a percentage of the g3d window? |
| 02:19.56 | starseeker | Ralith: hmm: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/g3d_rotate_bug.avi |
| 02:21.47 | starseeker | Ralith: it's also possible when translating to move the mouse faster and have the mouse get further away from the knot |
| 02:22.05 | starseeker | it's like it's polling only every so often and losing dragging information as a result |
| 02:22.40 | Ralith | odd. |
| 02:22.47 | Ralith | sure that's not just an artifact of the 3D view? |
| 02:23.42 | starseeker | pretty sure |
| 02:24.04 | starseeker | try a small g3d window and doing the shift thing, moving the mouse quickly |
| 02:24.19 | starseeker | or do you mean the rotation? |
| 02:24.23 | starseeker | I doubt it |
| 02:24.39 | starseeker | you could try another mesh to be sure |
| 02:25.14 | starseeker | checks... |
| 02:25.22 | starseeker | no, there's a definite shift to the right |
| 02:25.28 | starseeker | maybe even some kind of inversion |
| 02:26.52 | starseeker | Ralith: also, the command dialog doesn't seem to behave well when you hit run with an empty box |
| 02:27.45 | Ralith | seems to work fine here |
| 02:27.53 | starseeker | hmm |
| 02:27.58 | Ralith | what's it doing [wrong]? |
| 02:28.27 | starseeker | it just freezes, and you have to hit Command Dialog again to bring up a new one, enter something, then hit Run to clear it |
| 02:28.41 | starseeker | can you confirm the translate and rotate issues? |
| 02:29.11 | Ralith | freezes? O.o |
| 02:29.22 | Ralith | there's not even multiple command dialogs |
| 02:29.26 | Ralith | just the same one getting hidden/shown |
| 02:29.35 | Ralith | I confirm the translate mismatch |
| 02:29.40 | Ralith | lemme watch that video to see the rotate thing |
| 02:29.57 | starseeker | makes a video of the dialog... |
| 02:30.32 | starseeker | hmm, now it's not doing it... |
| 02:30.42 | starseeker | oh |
| 02:30.46 | Ralith | that rotate thing is known |
| 02:30.49 | starseeker | MGED camera makes a difference |
| 02:30.51 | Ralith | technically a feature |
| 02:30.52 | starseeker | Ralith: k |
| 02:30.57 | starseeker | blinks... |
| 02:31.05 | Ralith | but imma scrap it once I work out what's responsible for it |
| 02:31.41 | Ralith | what it is is the camera keeping its local Y axis as closely aligned with the global Z axis as possible |
| 02:33.05 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/g3d_dialog_bug.avi |
| 02:33.43 | starseeker | The knot getting smaller correlates with me clicking on Run |
| 02:35.43 | starseeker | Ralith: http://www.ogre3d.org/wiki/index.php/Quaternion_and_Rotation_Primer |
| 02:35.53 | starseeker | specifically, Q. Why do I occasionally get a flickering of my object while it is rotating? |
| 02:36.45 | starseeker | also Q. How can I make my objects rotate smoothly? You mentioned slerp, etc? |
| 02:37.01 | Ralith | starseeker: ah, I see, that *is* mged specific, almost certainly because it assigns meaning to a single mouseclick. |
| 02:37.39 | starseeker | uh... shouldn't it know it's over a dialog? |
| 02:37.56 | Ralith | should. |
| 02:38.01 | Ralith | probably an event propogation issue |
| 02:54.56 | Ralith | yeah |
| 02:55.07 | Ralith | starseeker: and the pan issue is probably just a coordinate system conversion issue |
| 02:55.16 | Ralith | there's two or three different ones going on there |
| 02:55.37 | Ralith | Ogre's, Qt's window space coords, and possibly Qt's graphics scene space coords |
| 02:56.22 | starseeker | Oh, so we already have what's in the ogre wiki? |
| 03:04.42 | starseeker | oh, pan not rotate |
| 03:04.45 | starseeker | smacks self |
| 03:36.45 | Ralith | :P |
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| 08:03.44 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: (all declarations have to be on top of a block) |
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| 13:28.34 | brlcad | d_rossberg: have a great vacation! ttyl whe you ge back |
| 13:28.43 | brlcad | thx for the note |
| 13:43.44 | d_rossberg | brlcad: no problem |
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| 15:07.47 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35625 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/bigE.c: Formatting. |
| 15:16.21 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35626 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/human.c shapes/human.c): Procedural Human Generator now works, using libged directory. |
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| 15:18.59 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35628 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/ged.h src/libged/human.c): Const the av argument to ged_human. Declare ged_human in ged.h |
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| 15:52.08 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35630 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Adjustments to archer human wizard script, and making av in human.c constant |
| 15:58.12 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35631 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (Makefile.am primitives/eto/eto_brep.cpp): Start fooling around with approaches to createing an eto brep. |
| 16:09.27 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35632 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/eto/eto_brep.cpp: more eto_brep exploring. |
| 16:19.18 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35633 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/eto/eto_brep.cpp: Well, the eto_brep file compiles at least... |
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| 18:29.22 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: Fixed human.c to not close a non-existing database. |
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| 20:03.15 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35639 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: sync ell_brep.cpp and tor_brep.cpp .. why isn't distcheck halting? |
| 20:57.40 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35640 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/cmakecheck.sh: aha! need to return a non-zero result in order to indicate missing files. |
| 20:58.45 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35641 10/brlcad/trunk/Makefile.am: don't just print the return code, halt hard if the cmake files are out of sync. this should help. |
| 21:00.26 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35642 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/eto/eto_brep.cpp: Clean up the logic for finding directions (thanks Ed) |
| 21:01.14 | poolio_ | starseeker: I see you're playing around with all that brep code. If there's anything I can help you with just let me know :) |
| 21:01.24 | starseeker | poolio_: cool, thanks! |
| 21:01.33 | starseeker | actually, I did have a question about the ell code |
| 21:02.23 | starseeker | I see where you got it out of the old bspline stuff, but when I tried it I get something that's a bit distorted |
| 21:02.29 | starseeker | did the original code succeed? |
| 21:04.57 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35643 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: sync missing brep files, woohoo because distcheck caught them and halted |
| 21:09.37 | poolio_ | starseeker: I thought it did, but I didn't test it very thoroughly |
| 21:12.14 | poolio_ | distorted as in totally wrong surface entirely? |
| 21:12.52 | starseeker | poolio_: well, if you're bored you could debug ell_brep.cpp :-) |
| 21:12.56 | starseeker | makes screenshot |
| 21:13.24 | poolio_ | moreso procrastinating than bored, but I can take a look :) |
| 21:14.57 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/ell.png |
| 21:16.39 | starseeker | poolio: if you have trunk built, you can run csgbrep |
| 21:16.39 | poolio | So when I tested it, I was only looking at the wireframe view because the raytracing didn't work well. Is the raytracing good now? |
| 21:16.44 | brlcad | procrastination is a great productivity motivator :) |
| 21:16.50 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35644 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: draw performance improvements |
| 21:17.10 | poolio | starseeker: it's building now, so I may have to return to packing for a bit |
| 21:17.34 | starseeker | poolio: raytracing should be good |
| 21:17.34 | brlcad | the ray-tracing is pretty solid now -- there are a few minor issues but even complex geometry is rendering pretty well now |
| 21:17.37 | starseeker | good enough |
| 21:18.02 | brlcad | likes the ying/yang ell |
| 21:18.50 | starseeker | expects more issues will crop up once we have full CSG models converted for testing |
| 21:18.54 | poolio | so it is more probable that the geometry is wrong and the raytracing is right? |
| 21:19.19 | starseeker | depends on the defect type |
| 21:19.45 | starseeker | I'm pretty sure the ell is geometry |
| 21:22.06 | poolio | do we have a way to export breps that can be read by other cad software that we know works? |
| 21:23.13 | brlcad | our breps are 3dm data, would be trivial to dump a given object to a 3dm file and import into rhino or whatever |
| 21:26.41 | ``Erik | src/brlcad/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp:139: undefined reference to `rt_eto_brep' |
| 21:27.17 | starseeker | ``Erik: did you rebuild librt? |
| 21:27.31 | ``Erik | tried... |
| 21:34.09 | starseeker | smacks automake |
| 22:20.38 | CIA-31 | BRL-CAD: 03n_reed * r35645 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm-rtgl.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): fully random job shuffling and point scaling to match completion |
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| 02:37.45 | starseeker | Ah, it seems there was one other genuine ex-military Hummer on ebay this month |
| 02:37.53 | starseeker | eep, $19,877 |
| 02:37.59 | starseeker | guess they are collectors items |
| 02:43.17 | starseeker | hmm, yep, nother one up in that price range http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110424013836 |
| 03:00.01 | starseeker | hah - YES! heck with the hummer: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220468730456 |
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| 16:11.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35690 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp proc-db/csgbrep.cpp): Get an nmg example into csgbrep for debugging purposes, even though nmg_brep doesn't do anything yet. |
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| 16:39.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35691 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Update killWrapper to remove duplicates from the kill list and the modified list. |
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| 17:48.30 | brlcad | d-lo: you aware that final eval deadline is today? |
| 17:48.44 | d-lo | yessir. Done did it already :) |
| 17:48.49 | brlcad | awesome |
| 17:53.41 | brlcad | Ralith: jdoliner: filled yours out too I hope? |
| 17:58.59 | jdoliner | i did indeed |
| 18:02.07 | ``Erik | and d'lo is gone, saw him driving out as we got back from lunch (green turtle) |
| 18:03.04 | brlcad | he answered |
| 18:04.00 | ``Erik | yeh, but he's out now, 'sall I'm sayin' :) |
| 18:04.23 | ``Erik | he was probably surprised to see me driving a 4d car |
| 18:11.24 | Yoshi47 | what the bext rendering technic i should use for my bearing, its done! |
| 18:11.28 | jdoliner | it's a uniquely depressing experience to discover a prototyped opennurbs function isn't actually implemented |
| 18:16.07 | brlcad | Yoshi47: great, congratulations! |
| 18:16.17 | brlcad | Yoshi47: you might want to try running "rtwizard" |
| 18:16.26 | brlcad | it has embedded help, various render styles |
| 18:16.27 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, thanks, don't ask me how many hours so far! |
| 18:16.35 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, ok i'll try that out |
| 18:16.40 | brlcad | otherwise, I tend to like rt rendering with an rtedge overlay |
| 18:17.22 | brlcad | tweaking shader properties, maybe adding textures and creating custom lights give the best result |
| 18:17.48 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, i get this ./rtwizard: line 26: exec: bwish: not found when trying exec rtwizard |
| 18:18.19 | starseeker | brlcad: just curious - is there any sort of "minimal" opengl scene graph setup that's smaller and lighter weight than Ogre/OpenSceneGraph? |
| 18:18.19 | brlcad | o.O |
| 18:18.30 | brlcad | Yoshi47: you haven't installed brl-cad? |
| 18:18.46 | brlcad | nice example rendering: http://brlcad.org/tmp/goliath2.png |
| 18:18.54 | Yoshi47 | yep, svn install this morning, then autogen.sh -> ./configure -> make -> make install |
| 18:19.07 | brlcad | then why's it saying ./rtwizard |
| 18:19.10 | starseeker | is /usr/brlcad/bin in your path? |
| 18:19.30 | brlcad | oh, hah, are you actually cd'd into /usr/brlcad/bin? |
| 18:19.43 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, yeah but i forgot to make symbolic links... |
| 18:19.45 | Yoshi47 | one sec |
| 18:19.56 | brlcad | shouldn't need to make any symbolic links :P |
| 18:20.01 | Yoshi47 | i installe dinto /opt |
| 18:20.10 | brlcad | still shouldn't need to make any symbolic links :P |
| 18:20.22 | Yoshi47 | umm well im cd /opt/brlcad/bin/ |
| 18:20.30 | Yoshi47 | then tried rtwizard. |
| 18:20.34 | Yoshi47 | bwish is there |
| 18:20.35 | brlcad | yeah, that's just a funny way to run things |
| 18:20.46 | brlcad | right, but how's it supposed to know bwish is there |
| 18:20.57 | brlcad | it's not like it knows it needs to run ./bwish because you ran ./rtwizard :) |
| 18:21.10 | Yoshi47 | from my path... |
| 18:21.14 | brlcad | it just runs "bwish" |
| 18:21.28 | Yoshi47 | right |
| 18:21.39 | brlcad | what happens if you just run "rtwizard" |
| 18:22.12 | Yoshi47 | same thing |
| 18:23.02 | brlcad | if you run "bwish", what happens? |
| 18:23.22 | Yoshi47 | bwish> |
| 18:23.37 | Yoshi47 | well i ran ./bwish |
| 18:23.41 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:23.42 | brlcad | dude |
| 18:23.58 | brlcad | "rtwizard" is not "./rtwizard" |
| 18:24.18 | brlcad | nor is "bwish" "./bwish" :) |
| 18:24.30 | brlcad | your path isn't set |
| 18:24.42 | Yoshi47 | i guess i don't folly understand the principle yet, kinda do but not all the way |
| 18:24.52 | brlcad | you have to set your path for binaries to be found |
| 18:24.56 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, thats what i figured |
| 18:25.24 | brlcad | you're fine when it's a stand-alone binary, but not when it's something that relies on other resources |
| 18:25.37 | brlcad | that goes for any application, not just brl-cad tools |
| 18:26.07 | brlcad | export PATH=/opt/brlcad/bin:$PATH |
| 18:26.10 | brlcad | for bash at least |
| 18:26.30 | Yoshi47 | got it |
| 18:26.34 | Yoshi47 | thanks |
| 18:27.17 | Yoshi47 | how long should it take to load |
| 18:30.31 | brlcad | depends on how fast your system is, but there should be a progress meter |
| 18:30.41 | brlcad | unless you see it spit out an error |
| 18:31.42 | Yoshi47 | no it was a seperate window 40% Megawidgets Packed |
| 18:31.47 | Yoshi47 | still can go on though |
| 18:35.29 | brlcad | if it's not moving, it's stalled on something |
| 18:37.15 | brlcad | ~seen Ralith |
| 18:37.18 | ibot | ralith is currently on #brlcad, last said: ':P'. |
| 18:37.21 | Yoshi47 | no i just close it and i can move on |
| 18:37.37 | brlcad | should have prodded ralith over the weekend |
| 18:41.42 | Yoshi47 | what type of file is outputted from the wizard? png or jpeg |
| 18:42.11 | brlcad | well definitely not jpeg because we don't support any lossy formats |
| 18:42.17 | brlcad | but either pix or png |
| 18:42.18 | Yoshi47 | good |
| 18:42.32 | Yoshi47 | outputs a corrupted file png |
| 18:42.35 | Yoshi47 | 3MB big |
| 18:42.48 | starseeker | hmm - this is LGPL and looks like about 1M in size - wonder if it's any good? http://plib.sourceforge.net/ssg/index.html |
| 18:42.49 | brlcad | are you sure it's a png? |
| 18:42.58 | brlcad | i'm betting it's a pix |
| 18:43.05 | Yoshi47 | how do you specify i just ending the file name with png |
| 18:43.12 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 18:43.18 | brlcad | yeah, that won't do it |
| 18:43.28 | brlcad | if it has no options to say "png", then it's definitely a pix file |
| 18:43.40 | brlcad | pix are raw first quadrant image files |
| 18:43.45 | brlcad | you can run pix-png to convert it |
| 18:44.08 | Yoshi47 | ok i'll try that |
| 18:44.08 | brlcad | (pix-png -n 1024 -w 768 < file.pix > file.png |
| 18:44.16 | brlcad | for a 1024x768 image of course |
| 18:44.32 | brlcad | it's a raw image, so you have to tell it what the dimensions are |
| 18:45.31 | starseeker | hrm. maybe not so small - needs some plib utility libraries |
| 18:45.32 | starseeker | nuts |
| 18:46.45 | brlcad | hm? que? |
| 18:46.51 | starseeker | er, sorry |
| 18:47.18 | starseeker | just looking around to see if there is some kind of small scene graph library we could use in archer without including all of Ogre/OpenSceneGraph |
| 18:47.18 | brlcad | working in *any* scene graph is going to be about the same amount of work, regardless of how complex it is |
| 18:47.39 | brlcad | most of the work is on the archer/mged/libdm side of things |
| 18:48.10 | starseeker | nods. Figured, but we probably can't justify pulling everything needed for Ogre just to make archer's wireframe behave better |
| 18:48.31 | starseeker | was hoping there was something small that could be used just for Archer, prior to the new GUI work |
| 18:49.17 | brlcad | sure we could -- if it improves things, then it's progress -- an orge libdm interface would be very useful |
| 18:49.56 | starseeker | but Ogre + deps would be a great deal larger than even opennurbs or docbook - wouldn't that be too much to pull in? |
| 18:50.18 | starseeker | at least, without something new and spectacular in the UI department? |
| 18:50.21 | brlcad | it is a lot for a small gain, depends how well it worked |
| 18:50.47 | brlcad | if it was perfectly seamless and fully integrated, I think it'd be worth it - but that's a big 'if' |
| 18:50.53 | starseeker | nods |
| 18:51.26 | starseeker | I should explore the libdm setup and the new rtgl work, might be a good starting point |
| 18:51.55 | brlcad | could still create an ogre libdm as a dev project, assume a system-installed ogre with an interface that is all or nothing on/off |
| 18:52.05 | brlcad | yeah, was going to say that |
| 18:52.19 | brlcad | the way rtgl is now is far from ideal (and actually a bit of a problem) |
| 18:52.52 | brlcad | libdm's api was originally constructed around displaying polygonal line segments |
| 18:53.06 | starseeker | winces |
| 18:53.23 | starseeker | and I'm guessing we can't monkey with that API anytime soon? |
| 18:53.26 | brlcad | it needs to be more scenegraphish where you either set up rendering callbacks (probably ideal) or expand the api to more general entities |
| 18:53.33 | brlcad | sure we can |
| 18:53.53 | starseeker | wouldn't we be breaking external code? Or does nobody use the dm directly? |
| 18:54.04 | brlcad | libdm is fair game to change, so long as the archer and tcl megawidgets continue to "work" |
| 18:54.14 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 18:54.18 | brlcad | the tcl megawidgets are used externally |
| 18:54.59 | starseeker | hates to expose his ignorance but had better - "rendering callbacks" refers to ? |
| 18:55.12 | brlcad | the src/tclscripts/lib entities in particular |
| 18:56.02 | brlcad | okay, rendering callbacks are just like logging callbacks (if that helps) |
| 18:56.11 | Yoshi47 | why is there little tiny dots here and there on my images? |
| 18:56.23 | brlcad | but consider if you had something you wanted to draw, like a bunch of line segments that need to get sent to opengl |
| 18:56.35 | brlcad | Yoshi47: screenshot? |
| 18:56.45 | Yoshi47 | one sec. |
| 18:57.20 | brlcad | a direct approach would be to have a place where your application code compiles a list of line segments, and then sends those to libdm saying "draw this" .. an immediate mode of sorts |
| 18:58.18 | brlcad | a callback approach would be more like telling libdm, "call this function when it's time to draw" and then that function dispatches the things to be drawn in that callback function using a context libdm provides |
| 18:58.48 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/v/CAD/ |
| 18:59.31 | brlcad | doesn't matter much for somethign simple like rendering line segments, but can be a big deal if you want to support arbitrary rendering methods (like ray-tracing or scene graphs) instead of just some subset of geometric entities |
| 19:01.50 | starseeker | brlcad: OK. Is there a pre-existing API you would like libdm to emulate? |
| 19:06.09 | brlcad | I'd just solve the problem as you go along -- it's pretty easy to tell where/when things go wrong because you end up with #ifdef code outside of libdm |
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| 19:06.35 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:07.19 | starseeker | when the rubber hits the road, what did you want to do about Ogre's build system? do we assume cmake is available and trigger it with autoconf? |
| 19:07.34 | Yoshi47 | is it how i rendered it, it also happens when rendering inside wged. |
| 19:07.51 | starseeker | (e.g. with Ogre living in src/other/ogre ...) |
| 19:11.55 | brlcad | for the main brlcad line, I'd assume ogre was system installed like X and leave it at that for now -- you get another dm if you don't have it |
| 19:12.07 | brlcad | we just make sure we have it when it comes time to release |
| 19:12.24 | starseeker | OK |
| 19:13.53 | Yoshi47 | well since im done with bearing for now, back to my imported dxf shape, how should i extrude it? |
| 19:18.54 | talcite | ahaha the review request has been posted! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518949 |
| 19:19.21 | brlcad | Ralith: wake up dude :) |
| 19:26.48 | ``Erik | Yoshi47: it'd be neat to see render_balls done with perspective mode and some scene around the object :) |
| 19:28.12 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, i have to make the scene first, which leads back to my question 4 lines up... by the way how is my drawing? bad or not too bad for 3 days at it? |
| 19:28.43 | ``Erik | drawing? |
| 19:29.58 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, what would you like? sorry |
| 19:30.18 | ``Erik | the model looks cool, I tend to just make a 'half' with a checkerboard shader and make the background color 'blue', so it comes out like http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/primitives/niceballs.png.html |
| 19:30.26 | ``Erik | but just cuz it's really easy and quick *shrug* |
| 19:31.36 | ``Erik | could always concat it into like the bldg391.g or cornell.g just to get some real surroundings :) |
| 19:31.43 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, what degree perspective on it? |
| 19:32.08 | ``Erik | play with it? between 0 and 90, probably someting like 60ish would be good? |
| 19:32.32 | ``Erik | (er, 0 and 180) |
| 19:32.32 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, so you have no answer my extruding? |
| 19:32.38 | ``Erik | no, I don't :( |
| 19:33.02 | ``Erik | maybe brlcad knows, but he's off napping or playing with his hello kitty dolls again or something |
| 19:33.04 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, umm, i would figure more people would be extruding stuff on a regular basis. |
| 19:33.35 | ``Erik | <-- tends to stick to lower level stuff, doesn't know squat about modelling :) |
| 19:34.03 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, well someones got to do the lower stuff, i know i can't |
| 19:35.04 | brlcad | Yoshi47: those dots are floating point tolerance bugs where two faces are overlapping -- the boolean logic is ill-defined, a very old issue |
| 19:35.15 | ``Erik | has been thinking about replacing libbu's red/black tree with a generalized tree interface (callbacks in a struct) O.o |
| 19:35.32 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, umm ok, i guess nothing we can do |
| 19:36.00 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, you also don't have a answer about extruding? |
| 19:36.04 | brlcad | Yoshi47: you can eliminate the artifacts by restructuring the booleans, but it's usually easiest to just render larger and scale down |
| 19:36.21 | brlcad | the points are hairline floating point so they won't scale up with the image |
| 19:36.22 | ``Erik | or hypersample |
| 19:36.26 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, i'll keep in mind for the next render |
| 19:36.55 | brlcad | yeah, hypersampling should minimize it too -H4 or larger |
| 19:37.14 | brlcad | hasn't even read the question about extruding yet .. lots of threads goin :) |
| 19:38.15 | ``Erik | importing a dxf 'shape' is an iffy thing, we only handle triangle meshes from autocad, not anything like a 2d layout |
| 19:38.20 | ``Erik | I think |
| 19:38.27 | brlcad | as for 3 days at it .. newbie time scale .. that shouldn't have taken more than an hour or less |
| 19:38.46 | brlcad | i bet if you did it again, it'd only take a day now |
| 19:38.57 | brlcad | and then do it again, probably half a day |
| 19:39.07 | brlcad | fast falloff |
| 19:39.19 | brlcad | talcite: awesome! |
| 19:44.08 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, i bet i could do it under and hour now... |
| 19:45.27 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, so what your saying im better off redrawing, shouldn't be too hard but a couple hours since i got like 4 extrusions to do... |
| 19:49.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35692 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/help.tcl: note that the rotation values for clone's -b option are in degrees, as suggested by Yoshi47 on IRC. |
| 19:51.09 | brlcad | talcite: the floating point compliance problem is real, but I haven't yet seen it be an actual problem anywhere yet -- several platforms report that |
| 19:51.28 | brlcad | cross-compiling might have caused it even |
| 19:51.36 | talcite | oh ok. It just might be because I'm cross compiling in this case |
| 19:51.42 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, what does the CIA-28 mean? that the help will be updated or has been? |
| 19:51.44 | talcite | yeah. It didn't show up in native compiles |
| 19:52.21 | brlcad | starseeker: arbn is implicitly defined as the boundary enclosed by the surfaces resulting from those intersecting planes .. so yeah, implicit ;) |
| 19:53.17 | brlcad | Yoshi47: that it has been |
| 19:53.22 | brlcad | that's a live source change notification |
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| 20:03.03 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, cool, i love Open Source |
| 20:04.05 | brlcad | open source rocks ;) |
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| 20:04.31 | brlcad | even better, you keep finding reporting little things like that, could even set it up so more changes could be made |
| 20:04.34 | brlcad | even by you! ;) |
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| 20:05.15 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, cool |
| 20:07.18 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, im still having a hard time crasping the concept behind this, if i desing my extrusion a foot long how easy is it later on to extrude that to what ever lenght i would like? would OED work on it for changing the length and then that would push down to the primitive shapes? |
| 20:10.29 | brlcad | it should, but not sure I've heard of anyone try |
| 20:11.09 | brlcad | would be pretty simple to do an adjust or primitive edit to change the length given it's a simple vector |
| 20:15.04 | brlcad | adjust extrude1.s H {0 0 100} |
| 20:15.34 | brlcad | "get extrude1.s" will show all of his parameters |
| 20:15.56 | brlcad | note that's a low-level operation -- if you mess up, you're screwed |
| 20:16.27 | brlcad | it WILL let you make invalid geometry and then never let you mess with that object again (because it's invalid) .. so be careful, make a backup, etc |
| 20:17.23 | Yoshi47 | so if my extrusion is a region this should be possible too... |
| 20:17.32 | Yoshi47 | or even a group? |
| 20:17.47 | brlcad | your extrusion is not a region |
| 20:17.56 | brlcad | your region may contain/reference an extrusion |
| 20:18.43 | brlcad | that get/adjust example works on primitives |
| 20:19.06 | brlcad | the get on a combination/region/group is going to simply show you the objects they reference and any transformation matrices |
| 20:19.26 | Yoshi47 | ok but in order for me to get me extrusion shape i need to make multiple shapes and then put them in a region with -+u and then i have a region, can i change to whole region and all its children at once or just individual members |
| 20:20.08 | Yoshi47 | i think i'll just make my extrusion a foot long and then try it when im done, should be a good learning experience. |
| 20:20.54 | brlcad | using get/adjust, that's specific to primitives and per-object -- I'd suggest just trying an example of scaling down an extrusion in the same direction as it's H vector and it *should* modify the H after a push |
| 20:21.05 | brlcad | or leave it unpushed, shouldn't matter |
| 20:21.36 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, ok |
| 20:21.38 | Yoshi47 | thanks |
| 20:30.02 | Yoshi47 | cya for now, be on later |
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| 20:56.16 | ``Erik | is running around making people look at yoshi's renderings O:-) |
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| 21:01.28 | starseeker | thinks a procdb that can generate bearings to spec is in order :-) |
| 21:05.27 | Yoshi47 | starseeker, me aggree |
| 21:06.20 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, how are you running around making people look at my renderings? |
| 21:08.33 | Yoshi47 | im going to swear |
| 21:08.53 | ``Erik | running around saying "hey, ya got a web browser handy? check this out" |
| 21:09.06 | Yoshi47 | oh at your work, |
| 21:22.49 | Yoshi47 | does brl-cad make backups of anykind? |
| 21:23.07 | brlcad | mged does not |
| 21:23.10 | brlcad | archer does |
| 21:23.14 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, crap |
| 21:23.21 | Yoshi47 | you'll never what i did |
| 21:23.23 | brlcad | otherwise, very unforgiving of mistakes |
| 21:23.36 | brlcad | hence my comment about being very careful earlier and making backups :) |
| 21:23.38 | Yoshi47 | not brlcad fault, my own stupidity |
| 21:24.03 | Yoshi47 | improper use of rsync |
| 21:24.13 | brlcad | eek |
| 21:24.19 | Yoshi47 | yep |
| 21:24.23 | Yoshi47 | thats what i did |
| 21:24.35 | brlcad | yeah, even archer wouldn't have helped in that case :) |
| 21:24.45 | Yoshi47 | good thing i can recreate it in under an hours, if only i had the bearing with me, i left it at work |
| 21:25.00 | Yoshi47 | oh well,, atleast i got renderings for now. |
| 21:26.29 | Yoshi47 | remember most of the measurements but not all... |
| 21:47.37 | brlcad | so you lost the whole thing?? |
| 21:47.43 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, yep |
| 21:47.48 | Yoshi47 | i sad |
| 21:47.49 | brlcad | way to put that rework measurement to test :) |
| 21:47.59 | brlcad | you'd make a great case study about the learning curve |
| 21:48.02 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, yep, knock on wood |
| 21:48.28 | Yoshi47 | well i plan on doing it tomorrow, |
| 21:48.28 | brlcad | if you do recreate, please do share how long it takes... :) |
| 21:48.31 | Yoshi47 | so i'll time myself |
| 21:48.34 | brlcad | cool |
| 21:48.57 | brlcad | what's your fs? |
| 21:49.16 | Yoshi47 | i can't see it taking that long, most of my time was playing around with commands, especially that clone one... |
| 21:49.38 | brlcad | clone gave you trouble? |
| 21:49.41 | Yoshi47 | one sec got to ssh in i forget, |
| 21:49.44 | brlcad | (other than the rads/degs) |
| 21:49.55 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, a little had to figure that degrees thing out... |
| 21:50.02 | Yoshi47 | brl maybe 10mins on that |
| 21:50.38 | Yoshi47 | etx3 |
| 21:50.47 | Yoshi47 | i know there is an undelete for that right? |
| 21:50.59 | Yoshi47 | but have no clue how to work it or start using it |
| 21:51.03 | Yoshi47 | ext3* |
| 21:51.21 | brlcad | it's not exactly an undelete, but there is a way you can try to recover |
| 21:51.56 | Yoshi47 | well im willing... |
| 21:56.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35693 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: Start sketching out a way to get enough info for BREP surfaces out of NMG faces. |
| 21:58.32 | mafm | Yoshi47: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 21:58.34 | mafm | good luck |
| 21:58.37 | mafm | :) |
| 21:58.48 | Yoshi47 | mafm, ya im reading it already |
| 21:58.49 | brlcad | yeah, it's quite involved |
| 21:59.00 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, i think it will be faster to redraw |
| 21:59.27 | mafm | thinks undeleted and on-line defrag would be ext4's flagship features |
| 21:59.35 | mafm | yet none of those are available yet :/ |
| 22:00.16 | brlcad | you could probably find the .g file in a raw search of the drive -- our start of file marker is pretty specific |
| 22:01.28 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, how would one go about a raw search? |
| 22:02.31 | brlcad | something like: grep -a -5 "Untitled BRL-CAD Database" /dev/hdawhatever > output.bin |
| 22:02.46 | brlcad | might have to unmount the drive |
| 22:02.52 | mafm | I think that there are specific tools for that |
| 22:03.12 | mafm | searching for files still present, matching a pattern |
| 22:03.50 | brlcad | the trick is to find your title or some other easily findable content, then dump enough context around that marker, then manually strip out the rest with a hex edit |
| 22:04.42 | brlcad | that ext3grep tool is basically doing something similar, but walking the inode structure -- a raw grep or dd is much lower-level |
| 22:04.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35694 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/human.c: Fixed a problem where name holder variables were not being properly initialized. |
| 22:05.16 | brlcad | which should help finding a match whether it was in the journal or on the fs or memory cache or whatever |
| 22:07.17 | brlcad | should have had you post your .g somewhere to check it out :) |
| 22:07.37 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, yep |
| 22:08.06 | brlcad | and you're sure you didn't just sync it to a remote host.. hehe |
| 22:08.30 | Yoshi47 | nope i was going to sync from work to home but did the other way and with out update on |
| 22:22.16 | Yoshi47 | well shes searching... |
| 22:23.57 | brlcad | -5 probably isn't going to be enough, but the trick first is to just *find* the string, then expand the context until it matches the whole file |
| 22:24.04 | brlcad | then hex edit |
| 22:25.55 | Yoshi47 | i got freebsd burning to a dvd for my notebook right now |
| 22:25.58 | Yoshi47 | going to give it a shot |
| 22:26.12 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, install better be easy! lol |
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| 22:28.22 | Yoshi47 | i kinda don't want to find it too, i want to give that redraw thing a timing test. lol |
| 22:34.42 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, how big do you think my db would of been? .5mb 1mb 10mb? |
| 22:35.10 | brlcad | less than 1mb for sure |
| 22:35.31 | brlcad | probably not more than 2-4kb actually, but hard to say what junk you had in there ;) |
| 22:35.40 | Yoshi47 | i got a whole bunch of txt files back |
| 22:35.47 | Yoshi47 | from ralf |
| 22:35.59 | brlcad | did you set a title? |
| 22:36.15 | Yoshi47 | yep |
| 22:36.17 | Yoshi47 | 608Z |
| 22:36.19 | brlcad | you'll want to search a unique identifier |
| 22:36.55 | brlcad | yeah, that's not distinctive enough |
| 22:40.24 | brlcad | but... |
| 22:40.30 | brlcad | probably could find it with.. |
| 22:40.34 | brlcad | what was your grep? |
| 22:40.53 | brlcad | 'title[^[:print:]]608Z' should be pretty darn specific |
| 22:41.14 | Yoshi47 | i used http://projects.izzysoft.de/trac/ext3undel/ |
| 22:41.30 | Yoshi47 | but it return a dir i delete a while ago, i thinks it gone... |
| 22:41.44 | Yoshi47 | oh well, well just have to test our time theory out i don't mind too much |
| 22:41.55 | Yoshi47 | second time is always a charm |
| 22:42.13 | brlcad | try the /dev/hda grep in the background, just let it run overnight or something :) |
| 22:42.49 | brlcad | grep -a -10000 'title[^[:print:]]608Z' /dev/hda1 > output.bin |
| 22:43.25 | brlcad | or whatever you have that fs mounted as, ideally direct output to something not on /dev/hda1 :) |
| 22:43.35 | brlcad | -10000 should be plenty to capture the file |
| 22:44.31 | Yoshi47 | wouldn't that also capture the current one or both? |
| 22:44.39 | Yoshi47 | i guess both its grepping, duh |
| 22:45.03 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:45.43 | Yoshi47 | here we go with fbsd |
| 22:45.54 | brlcad | you can test it with grep -a 'title[^[:print:]]608Z' yourfile.g | less |
| 22:45.58 | brlcad | should see the file ;) |
| 22:48.16 | Yoshi47 | 88G to search through |
| 22:49.23 | brlcad | yeah, that'll take a while :) |
| 22:49.53 | Yoshi47 | fbsd install kinda hard |
| 22:50.06 | brlcad | ? |
| 22:50.20 | Yoshi47 | oh, got to create a freebsd slice |
| 22:50.21 | brlcad | I didn't suggest you install fbsd did I? :) |
| 22:50.45 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, yes, im going to give it a try on my notebook since it needs a reload anyways, got a newer one |
| 22:50.47 | brlcad | I mean, love the OS, but one learning curve per week is pretty respectable ;) |
| 22:51.01 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, na i take on lots |
| 22:51.02 | brlcad | ah, fun |
| 22:51.51 | brlcad | fbsd desktop is not my first choice, but the dev environment, stability, and server features are top-notch |
| 22:52.31 | brlcad | course, last time I had it on desktop was many years ago, so not fair to speak to what their status is today |
| 22:53.03 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, what you use for desktop? |
| 22:53.50 | brlcad | mostly macosx these days, live in terminal windows and emacs most of the time ;) |
| 22:53.58 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 22:54.43 | brlcad | gentoo and ubuntu have had a fairly strong presense in the past |
| 22:55.08 | brlcad | I have a real strong sweet spot in my heart for haiku as beos used to be a primary for several years for me too |
| 22:55.57 | brlcad | i give that a try a couple times a year it seems, report all the bugs I find and return back to something that just works |
| 22:57.15 | Yoshi47 | well the install sucks |
| 22:57.38 | Yoshi47 | maybe try arch |
| 23:10.18 | ``Erik | bah, things that just work are no fun :D |
| 23:11.41 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, nice |
| 23:11.52 | Yoshi47 | don't worry i will most likely get fed up with it and return once again to gentoo |
| 23:12.14 | ``Erik | <-- is a bit of the masochistic "everything at once" mentality... currently doing common lisp, emacs, and web development all at once |
| 23:12.25 | ``Erik | being a vim/c/systems guy 'n all |
| 23:17.40 | Yoshi47 | so whats for supper |
| 23:19.24 | brlcad | oof, yeah.. haven't eaten today, damn |
| 23:19.37 | brlcad | hate it when I forget that |
| 23:23.37 | Ralith | brlcad: oh, thanks for the prod |
| 23:23.56 | Ralith | ``Erik: yay emacs! :D |
| 23:24.10 | Ralith | (yay CL too, for that matter) |
| 23:25.28 | Ralith | opens email, gets intimidated by volume of spam, and just goes to the site directly |
| 23:25.35 | Yoshi47 | umm whole wheat bread and peanute butter and chocolate sprinkles |
| 23:27.50 | brlcad | Ralith: they debated for a little while whether to fail the five students that didn't fill out their own evals... :) |
| 23:27.57 | Ralith | wups. |
| 23:27.58 | brlcad | I was a proponent of the "not fail" option |
| 23:28.00 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:28.03 | Ralith | thank you for that. |
| 23:28.23 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 23:28.23 | Ralith | probably should have jumped to it the moment he saw the email subject line a couple days ago |
| 23:28.24 | brlcad | told them you were up until 5am coding :) |
| 23:28.39 | brlcad | and coding all weekend, so it sounded great ;) |
| 23:28.43 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 23:28.57 | brlcad | I should have nagged more too |
| 23:29.08 | brlcad | I didn't exactly send out my own reminder mails to everyone |
| 23:29.09 | Yoshi47 | at least someone happy ihave to go through time trials now! |
| 23:29.11 | brlcad | busy summer |
| 23:29.22 | brlcad | Yoshi47: hehe, cool |
| 23:29.33 | brlcad | but then that definitely will be a good note to send out ;) |
| 23:30.03 | brlcad | I'm really curious how long you'd take on redo now that "most" of the tool learning is out of the way, and there's some basic memorization in place |
| 23:30.58 | brlcad | for govt folks, they generally go through a week or two of hands-on modeling training and you can see (and measure) the rate increase pretty directly |
| 23:31.10 | Yoshi47 | im guessing under 2 hours,im going to setup a stop watch because i will get annoyig user(like me) asking questions... |
| 23:31.41 | brlcad | it's interesting to see that everyone is different, but most settle at some base "rate" of comprehension and retention .. there's definitely diminishing returns |
| 23:31.51 | Ralith | Yoshi47: don't do yourself a disservice; you haven't been annoying, on an absolute scale and certainly not compared to many of the people you can find on IRC. |
| 23:32.13 | brlcad | haven't been at all annoying, live for this stuff ;) |
| 23:32.16 | Ralith | if anything, it's nice to have newbies around learning the ropes; gives the place a feeling of activity. |
| 23:32.21 | Ralith | vivacity* |
| 23:32.31 | Yoshi47 | Ralith, thanks, hey q for you, will you be working on gui over the school year or not |
| 23:32.38 | Ralith | I certainly hope to |
| 23:32.49 | Yoshi47 | cool |
| 23:32.52 | brlcad | that would be awesome :) |
| 23:32.59 | Ralith | I've invested enough effort in this project that it would be depressing to just drop it. |
| 23:33.12 | Ralith | and I did, after all, start in on it because it was something I wanted to happen. |
| 23:33.13 | brlcad | and it's actually starting to approach usable |
| 23:33.23 | Ralith | ^^ |
| 23:33.34 | brlcad | it's converging towards lots of the same things archer needs under the hood libged-wise |
| 23:33.45 | Yoshi47 | good, well if you need any help on gui design i have a little bit of experience with that, i have helped with kiosk software, hey i should show you guys a picture of my kiosk design. |
| 23:33.49 | Ralith | I'm really looking forward to digging around the display list code and hooking that up |
| 23:33.55 | brlcad | which happens to be a lot of the same that search exec needs, and other priorities |
| 23:34.25 | Ralith | Yoshi47: oh? I'd certainly be very interested in any comments you have, even on the current highly incomplete state. |
| 23:34.57 | ``Erik | bah, I shoulda sent an email as well... allz I did was hollar at indianlarry :/ |
| 23:34.59 | Yoshi47 | Ralith, i will have yo learn how to downlaod and compile it, since i don't think its in svn |
| 23:35.06 | Ralith | Yoshi47: it's in SVN. |
| 23:35.22 | Yoshi47 | so if i compiled this morning it will be inthere? |
| 23:35.36 | Ralith | before I get to the fun stuff I still need to fix that damned input handling bug (the filter that sends input to camera control is for some reason getting events from *everything*, leading to strange behavior) |
| 23:35.45 | Ralith | Yoshi47: it's not part of brl-cad proper. |
| 23:35.52 | Ralith | build system isn't integrated |
| 23:35.58 | Ralith | different tree |
| 23:36.01 | Ralith | but it's still there. |
| 23:36.11 | Ralith | it's in rt^3/src/g3d |
| 23:36.45 | Yoshi47 | oh ok, well im busy right now but i will be sure to look at it soon hopefully. |
| 23:36.56 | Yoshi47 | i started learning qt4 this spring |
| 23:38.05 | ``Erik | "well... a certain kind of pirate, yes, we've been called that" "is there some kind of preschool program?" hehehe good old family guy |
| 23:38.56 | Ralith | Yoshi47: cool! Direct contributions are certainly welcome as well. |
| 23:39.11 | Ralith | that input bug, for example, is a qt-wrangling issue. |
| 23:39.38 | Yoshi47 | i don't know if im there, since it takes me long enough to get a basic app going, currently working FANO (food and nutrional organizer) |
| 23:40.16 | ``Erik | wait, did we lose 2? I thought we had 5 at the beginning |
| 23:41.14 | ``Erik | huh, only 4, *think* |
| 23:41.22 | ``Erik | wait, I remember now heh :) |
| 23:42.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35695 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: annotate a couple of the header tasks to make life easier |
| 23:42.29 | brlcad | ~seen madant |
| 23:42.31 | ibot | madant <i=cb7baf0f@gateway/web/freenode/x-a32eed164597bd06> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 52d 3h 20m 37s ago, saying: 'nothing more disastrous than non-cooperative softwares ;)'. |
| 23:43.45 | brlcad | ``Erik: ralith was d-lo's not indianlarry's |
| 23:44.16 | Ralith | observes that it might be advisable in the future to associate mentors based on timezone |
| 23:44.23 | ``Erik | hrm? I know... O.o |
| 23:44.32 | Ralith | not that this was a real problem thanks to IRC, but still. |
| 23:45.00 | ``Erik | a week or two ago, when one of the 'almost time' emails came out, I let indianlarry know it was approaching, so he could do his part... not so he could probe his student :) |
| 23:45.05 | brlcad | ahh |
| 23:46.49 | Yoshi47 | heres a link to my prototype Kiosk we call it the "Miniky" since the first one was different and way bigger" i do have another prototype after this one that has rounded corners, and a slide out filter tray and a little different design on the back, enjoy! |
| 23:46.50 | Yoshi47 | http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/v/kiosk/ |
| 23:47.08 | brlcad | someone should take a look at what jra just implemented in jbrlcad to convert it to librt... |
| 23:47.34 | Yoshi47 | is brlcad using java libs? |
| 23:47.39 | brlcad | maybe a src/conv tool that uses it .. arb6tobot |
| 23:47.40 | Ralith | no. |
| 23:47.47 | brlcad | yeah, no. ;) |
| 23:47.48 | Ralith | there was an experimental thing |
| 23:47.52 | Ralith | but afaik it's dead now |
| 23:47.57 | brlcad | it's not dead |
| 23:47.57 | Yoshi47 | Ralith, good |
| 23:48.00 | Ralith | inactive? |
| 23:48.04 | ``Erik | well, there's jbrlcad which is a tiny subset of librt written in java, but it's seperate |
| 23:48.14 | ``Erik | daytona pokes at it on occasion |
| 23:48.14 | brlcad | it's actually in production use.. it's just "done enough" for that purpose for now |
| 23:48.21 | Yoshi47 | umm |
| 23:48.28 | brlcad | none of our tools uses it |
| 23:48.41 | Yoshi47 | why would they use java for just a tiny bit? |
| 23:48.51 | ``Erik | and there's src/librtserver/ which exposes some of the C librt to java via JNI, but it requires java interface classes that are not publically available |
| 23:49.08 | brlcad | librtserver is closer to being dead |
| 23:49.27 | ``Erik | and a notion that we'd like to expose a lot of our shtuff via swig, which'd allow a java target |
| 23:49.39 | ``Erik | are they giving up librtserver for the GS? |
| 23:49.39 | brlcad | jbrlcad lets them access a .g and shoot rays at geometry without needing to bridge across JNI |
| 23:50.14 | *** join/#brlcad docelic (n=docelic@78.134.202.224) | |
| 23:50.49 | Yoshi47 | what does the whole collaborative thing do? network helping? viewing? |
| 23:51.08 | Ralith | which collaborative thing? |
| 23:51.29 | Ralith | the geometry server project is at least in part targeted at allowing people to work together on a single model, I believe. |
| 23:51.37 | Ralith | but I doubt that's what you're talking about |
| 23:51.54 | Yoshi47 | the menu item under modes |
| 23:52.02 | Ralith | oh, an mged thing. |
| 23:52.15 | Yoshi47 | ya |
| 23:52.37 | Yoshi47 | thats all i know right now, besides, g-dxf, dxf-g, pix-png |
| 23:53.00 | Ralith | huh. no idea. |
| 23:53.01 | Yoshi47 | ive only touch a bit |
| 23:53.23 | Yoshi47 | Ralith, didni't you do through the whole old interface before designing the new one? |
| 23:53.32 | Ralith | nope. |
| 23:53.54 | Ralith | I'm familiar with its basics, but I fall far short of knowing the function of every menu item :P |
| 23:54.08 | brlcad | when you turn on collaborate, another mged can attach and you share the same geometry view |
| 23:54.21 | Ralith | neat! |
| 23:54.26 | Yoshi47 | another mged from another pc or same X |
| 23:54.28 | mafm | congratz, gsoc folks |
| 23:55.26 | Yoshi47 | on behalf of gsoc folks, thank you! lol |
| 23:55.45 | mafm | I mean Ralith and the rest |
| 23:55.50 | Yoshi47 | im their spokes person |
| 23:55.51 | Yoshi47 | i know |
| 23:55.54 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:55.55 | mafm | though I don't see the rest around much :P |
| 23:55.57 | Yoshi47 | no one was answrring |
| 23:56.04 | ``Erik | raises his beer to all the gsoc folk O.o |
| 23:56.14 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.8 posted (20090511) || GSoC2009 Next Step: upload your code to google, wait for shirt ;) thanks everyone! | |
| 23:56.15 | Yoshi47 | i raised my MUG(root beer) |
| 23:56.17 | Ralith | does think that the rest are missing out by not IRCing harder. |
| 23:56.23 | Ralith | upload to google? |
| 23:56.37 | brlcad | you have to upload your code to google |
| 23:56.50 | Ralith | okie. |
| 23:56.52 | brlcad | it's technically what they pay you for, you're "testing" their upload service :) |
| 23:56.56 | Ralith | heh |
| 23:56.59 | Ralith | digs for menu item |
| 23:56.59 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 23:57.01 | louipc | you have to upload all your patches? |
| 23:57.07 | brlcad | yeah, basically |
| 23:57.13 | Ralith | er, that sounds complicated. |
| 23:57.13 | louipc | CRAZY |
| 23:57.17 | Ralith | can I just send them a tarball of g3d? :P |
| 23:57.29 | ``Erik | some mentors can't irc from work and want to spent their home time with their family *shrug* I know it sounds insane, but some people honestly have better things to do than sit around on irc O:-) |
| 23:57.36 | Yoshi47 | zip then encrypt it too! |
| 23:57.36 | Ralith | (yeah, I know, I'll find their docs) |
| 23:57.38 | ``Erik | does not. :( |
| 23:57.42 | Ralith | ``Erik: I mean the students |
| 23:57.47 | louipc | Ralith: send them a diff from when you started ;) |
| 23:57.52 | louipc | hehehhhe |
| 23:57.56 | brlcad | I think they just want the code you wrote/worked on, but an svn diff from when you started to know might be sufficient too -- have to read the requirement |
| 23:58.01 | ``Erik | yeh, the students benefit quite a bit from jabbering on irc I think |
| 23:58.13 | Ralith | I know I have |
| 23:58.19 | Ralith | not to mention being easily accessible for brlcad to poke at >_> |
| 23:58.31 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:58.35 | brlcad | pokes Ralith |
| 23:58.36 | Yoshi47 | me too, even though im not part of it, but im a BRL-CAD studen, level newbie |
| 23:58.39 | Ralith | jumps |
| 23:58.42 | brlcad | been a good summer |
| 23:58.45 | ``Erik | does svn have fu to say "show me the differences between -rX and -rY that <user> did"? (I'd be surprised) |
| 23:59.03 | Ralith | well, iirc noone else has committed to g3d so I'm okay there |
| 23:59.07 | Ralith | just need to dig up the right revision |
| 23:59.27 | Yoshi47 | should of taken a snapshot when you started |
| 23:59.27 | ``Erik | (heh, might be an argument for darcs or git or bzr... :/ ) |
| 23:59.29 | louipc | wooo |
| 23:59.29 | brlcad | nope, no user grepping that i'm aware of internally |
| 23:59.34 | brlcad | probably have to log raw and search |
| 23:59.38 | ``Erik | yoshi: that doesn't help when other people touch the same code |
| 23:59.46 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, true |
| 00:00.14 | mafm | Ralith: other students sometimes post scripts for that |
| 00:00.15 | Yoshi47 | you should be able to see just your if you used yoru username to snv |
| 00:00.22 | mafm | to get only your commits in svn, for example |
| 00:01.14 | louipc | yeah you could make a script to spit out a buttload of diffs you committed |
| 00:01.20 | ``Erik | if you're on the commit mailing list, just grab all the emails with your patches and aggregate them? *shrug* I'd hope most people have access to email clients powerful enough to do that |
| 00:01.44 | Ralith | most people have access to all sorts of fun stuff |
| 00:01.46 | ``Erik | or write a script to svn log . | grep <username> and dork with the rev#'s |
| 00:01.50 | Ralith | but that doesn't mean they can use it. |
| 00:02.08 | mafm | now off to bed, night! |
| 00:02.12 | Yoshi47 | cya |
| 00:02.15 | ``Erik | hasta |
| 00:02.27 | louipc | bye mafm |
| 00:03.03 | Yoshi47 | way off the rocker here but anyone seen a basic g code (CNC machine lang) exported in brl? |
| 00:03.15 | Ralith | a few people have tried |
| 00:03.19 | Ralith | jonored got very close but dissapeared |
| 00:03.27 | Yoshi47 | umm |
| 00:03.32 | Ralith | someone else was talking about writing one but I haven't seen him around for a while |
| 00:03.51 | Ralith | bear in mind it's a nontrivial task because g-code is toolpaths, not shape data. |
| 00:03.55 | ``Erik | isn't stl a common format for cnc type folk? we have g-stl |
| 00:03.59 | Yoshi47 | well if i was a good coders i'd try |
| 00:04.11 | ``Erik | (and then other tools generate the path/bit info from the shape?) |
| 00:04.37 | ``Erik | Yoshi47: check out http://gcam.js.cx/ |
| 00:04.40 | Ralith | ``Erik: that's correct |
| 00:04.41 | Ralith | but lossy |
| 00:04.43 | Yoshi47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.46 | Ralith | very lossy in fact |
| 00:05.03 | louipc | yeah stl wouldn't be good for precision machining |
| 00:05.18 | Yoshi47 | maybe > .01 |
| 00:05.24 | Yoshi47 | or not even? |
| 00:05.42 | ``Erik | lossy in the g->stl, or the stl->gerber ? |
| 00:05.54 | ``Erik | cuz if you have time, you can crank the precision way up for g->stl |
| 00:06.13 | Yoshi47 | well im back to gentoo |
| 00:06.14 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 00:06.26 | ``Erik | one adventure at a time? :) |
| 00:06.30 | louipc | fbsd's still uninstallable? |
| 00:06.33 | louipc | :P |
| 00:07.01 | ``Erik | fbsd has a nice installer, but it has unix notions which are very alien to linux people (who are more in sync with dos/windows people) |
| 00:07.02 | Ralith | brlcad: should I make an effort to include every single change I made, or just the g3d stuff? The only real non-g3d commits I've made were moving the cmake modules for finding Ogre, Qt, etc. into the rt^3 cmake dir. |
| 00:07.06 | Yoshi47 | louipc, yeah to much to learn so little time, i need to get me temp joomla site on my notebook for a meeting tomorrow |
| 00:07.08 | louipc | I got it working before, but it just felt so primitive |
| 00:07.13 | ``Erik | pcbsd is the bsd that targets "noobs" |
| 00:07.15 | Ralith | ``Erik: also the installer's pretty much unmaintained >_> |
| 00:07.27 | ``Erik | what're you talking about? the installer gets loving every release |
| 00:07.38 | Yoshi47 | oh well, i know gentoo half decent so i'll stick with it |
| 00:07.41 | ``Erik | (but they still don't deal with usb keyboards in the holoshell, damnit) |
| 00:07.52 | louipc | linux feels more modern for some reason |
| 00:08.03 | Ralith | really? When I was a fbsd user, it was one of the pieces everyone couldn't wait to replace |
| 00:08.22 | louipc | hah |
| 00:08.30 | Yoshi47 | hey when i redo my bearing with a nice background will it get put on the website or does it have to go throughthe critics board first? |
| 00:08.39 | ``Erik | a lot of people wanted a gui installer, like mandrake, but those're awfully wasteful for a little eye candy for newbies :/ |
| 00:08.49 | louipc | yeah those are lame |
| 00:08.52 | Ralith | just a lessy buggy one would do |
| 00:08.59 | ``Erik | that argument is kinda what spawned the pcbsd fork |
| 00:09.21 | ``Erik | that and making the fresh install fire up a gui by default |
| 00:09.30 | louipc | theres no reason the console environment can't be noob friendly though |
| 00:10.53 | ``Erik | meh *shrug* I just installed fbsd 7.2 a couple weeks ago, didn't have any issues, see any bugs, or have any reason to complain... was able to go from "I wanna install" to "booted up on a fresh and configured system" in the span where a redhat install did like 20% of its package install |
| 00:10.53 | louipc | Yoshi47: more.brlcad.org? |
| 00:11.13 | Yoshi47 | i don't know the gallery from the wiki |
| 00:12.09 | louipc | you could actually post the .g file in the model repository |
| 00:12.35 | ``Erik | yoshi: looking at that bearing where the balls are exposed: are there supposed to be one or two more bearings in there, or are they actually supposed to be that loose? and are the gutters in the runners supposed to be that deep? how would it be assembled? they press them together and rely on elastic deformation of the metal, right? |
| 00:12.58 | ``Erik | heh, I said "where the balls are exposd" hehehehehehe mmm hehehehhehe |
| 00:13.04 | ``Erik | </beavis> |
| 00:13.56 | Yoshi47 | no they actually have a carriage in there that keeps the balls seperated, the carriage a very wierd shape and looks to be very hard to draw. everything else was measured |
| 00:14.11 | ``Erik | ahh, a plastic dealiemajigger? |
| 00:14.11 | Yoshi47 | accurate to 0.1 mm |
| 00:14.15 | louipc | they can be loosish |
| 00:14.19 | Yoshi47 | nope actaully to steel things |
| 00:14.23 | louipc | grease up the slack |
| 00:14.24 | ``Erik | ah, neat |
| 00:14.26 | Yoshi47 | they can |
| 00:14.38 | Yoshi47 | i will take pics tomorrow |
| 00:14.48 | ``Erik | how big is the assembly? |
| 00:14.50 | Yoshi47 | of the assembly and disassembly if your like |
| 00:14.56 | Yoshi47 | the bearing |
| 00:14.56 | ``Erik | is that the 2cm diameter one? |
| 00:15.07 | Yoshi47 | 22mm OD and 8mm ID |
| 00:15.12 | Yoshi47 | 7mm wide |
| 00:15.22 | Yoshi47 | balls are 4mm in dia |
| 00:15.46 | Yoshi47 | groove is a tor with rad 1 = 7.5 and rad 2= 2 |
| 00:15.49 | ``Erik | small, musta been hard to measure :) micrometer time |
| 00:16.02 | Yoshi47 | vernier actually |
| 00:16.07 | Yoshi47 | digital so its easy |
| 00:16.09 | Ralith | who's responsible for MoRe? |
| 00:16.09 | ``Erik | ah |
| 00:16.25 | Yoshi47 | and i have near sitted vision so i can see thing up close like a microscope |
| 00:16.27 | ``Erik | ralith: elena developed it |
| 00:16.29 | louipc | ebautu |
| 00:16.30 | louipc | ? |
| 00:17.07 | ``Erik | cool beans, yoshi, I don't have access to neat toys, I have a cheap plastic caliper :) |
| 00:17.15 | Yoshi47 | i have they day off tomorrow, i forgot, so i will have no distractions and i can do a good time trial, yes! its on... |
| 00:17.35 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, $15 on sale a canadian tire, accurate to 1 thou |
| 00:18.08 | ``Erik | is in md, the 51st state is a bit of a hike O:-) |
| 00:18.16 | Ralith | hm |
| 00:18.25 | Ralith | where can I find the code upload form? |
| 00:19.15 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, i have 2 of them, lol |
| 00:19.43 | Ralith | found the 2008 google code project |
| 00:20.15 | louipc | Yoshi47: where was it made? :P |
| 00:20.45 | Ralith | but that's, well, 2008 |
| 00:20.48 | Yoshi47 | matercraft, i don't know but for the price they are pretty good, can even be used for maching |
| 00:21.15 | Yoshi47 | louipc, i was suprised how tight the tolerences are on it, im pretty piky that way. |
| 00:22.24 | louipc | yeah I guess there's no point in being too picky with a caliper. |
| 00:23.01 | ``Erik | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/how-to-provide-google-with-sample-code |
| 00:23.14 | Yoshi47 | nope and anything i draw it is good enough, maybe i'll give that ball carriage a go tomorrow! next challenge, after my time trial to get back my bearing |
| 00:23.31 | louipc | cool |
| 00:23.34 | Yoshi47 | will most likely take double the time then the bearing |
| 00:23.47 | ``Erik | that's for 08, but it might give ya hints for how to do it in 09? *shrug* |
| 00:24.10 | louipc | maybe you can be one of the usability guys :D |
| 00:24.23 | Yoshi47 | louipc, what do you mean? |
| 00:24.46 | louipc | there's something like gsoc, but focusing on usability |
| 00:25.02 | Yoshi47 | oh a tester/ |
| 00:25.11 | louipc | I forgot what the url is.. |
| 00:25.43 | ``Erik | me too, I vagually remember that project... we even talked about submitting parts of BRL-CAD to it, iirc |
| 00:26.44 | louipc | http://www.openusability.org/ ? |
| 00:28.09 | Yoshi47 | yep |
| 00:29.01 | Ralith | ``Erik: hm, seems like maybe I just need to wait |
| 00:31.06 | ``Erik | openusability.org doesn't seem very... alive... |
| 00:32.25 | ``Erik | season announcement in march, call for students in april... then nothing... (the announcement says june-aug, nothing about wrapup, selection, anything) |
| 00:33.49 | Yoshi47 | what should i draw in brl tonight? |
| 00:34.08 | louipc | an impeller |
| 00:34.13 | Yoshi47 | lol, your funny |
| 00:34.22 | Yoshi47 | something i can get done tonight |
| 00:34.26 | Yoshi47 | but yeah that would be fun |
| 00:34.29 | louipc | a tiny one |
| 00:34.41 | Yoshi47 | well i do like a challenge |
| 00:34.52 | Ralith | louipc: wouldn't that need NURBS? |
| 00:34.57 | Yoshi47 | do i have impeller herE? |
| 00:34.59 | Yoshi47 | umm |
| 00:35.34 | louipc | Ralith: yeah nurbs would help |
| 00:35.49 | Yoshi47 | louipc, what one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pump_Impellers-1.jpg |
| 00:35.59 | Ralith | considering that that's alpha-quality at best, last I chcked, that's a bad choice :P |
| 00:36.39 | Ralith | of course he could just make a primitive one |
| 00:36.40 | louipc | how bout this one? http://www.friotherm.com/impeller.jpg |
| 00:37.32 | Yoshi47 | you pushing it |
| 00:37.37 | Ralith | lol |
| 00:37.53 | Ralith | good luck with that |
| 00:38.23 | louipc | I still have to figure out how to model properly shaped threads |
| 00:38.37 | Yoshi47 | specs? |
| 00:39.20 | louipc | dunno, just a standard 60 deg thread |
| 00:39.41 | Yoshi47 | i was talking about the impeller |
| 00:39.58 | louipc | oh sorry I was just joshing you |
| 00:40.55 | Yoshi47 | not you too. everyone does that too me |
| 00:41.10 | Yoshi47 | i pick a little easier impeller |
| 00:41.23 | Yoshi47 | since you too extranvagent |
| 00:41.24 | ``Erik | yoshi: some popular beginner exercises are a mug, a pinewood derby car, a pen, a book case, ... |
| 00:42.00 | Ralith | ooh, found a script |
| 00:42.17 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, i did the mug |
| 00:42.30 | ``Erik | look around your desk for something simple? :) |
| 00:42.39 | louipc | you went through vol II eh? |
| 00:42.47 | Yoshi47 | the intro... |
| 00:43.19 | ``Erik | ooh, model a 2002 bmw m3 down to the threads in the nuts, that'd be awesome :D |
| 00:44.12 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, you just as outrageuous as louipc, im looking for a nice impeller/easy |
| 00:44.16 | Yoshi47 | then chrome it! |
| 00:45.20 | Ralith | thinks BMW would object to such detailed designs for their stuff being available |
| 00:45.36 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 00:45.41 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 00:45.47 | ``Erik | but when I do rtweight, I want the result to come out real damn close to my car :D |
| 00:46.01 | ``Erik | hum, model 'bender' from futurama? |
| 00:46.10 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, nah |
| 00:46.13 | ``Erik | and then you can raytrace his shiney metal ass? |
| 00:46.17 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, lol |
| 00:47.33 | ``Erik | hm, fishtank would be too easy, even I can model one of those |
| 00:47.50 | louipc | model a CD-ROM disc |
| 00:48.07 | Ralith | model a CD-ROM drive. |
| 00:49.01 | louipc | that would take a while |
| 00:49.09 | Yoshi47 | hey is there a way to save the mged bash history |
| 01:00.53 | Yoshi47 | well i got a good picture of and impeller, now to design the fins.! |
| 01:02.23 | ``Erik | I see the class defining the command history, but I don't see any methods for saving it and don't see the invocation variable :/ |
| 01:02.30 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't know tcl |
| 01:49.39 | brlcad | Ralith: I'd say do whatever the docs say :) |
| 01:50.00 | brlcad | but yeah, I don't think you should be uploading ogre/qt diffs |
| 01:50.11 | brlcad | they just want the code you actually *write* |
| 01:50.34 | Ralith | yeah, I remembered that that would be an issue when the shellscript started printing timeouts |
| 01:50.49 | Ralith | I actually wrote the cmake stuff but it'll be captured in the diffs of the g3d/ stuff even though it's not present there now |
| 01:52.36 | brlcad | we had a good chance to get accepted into openusability .. just have to try again next year |
| 02:01.59 | starseeker | brlcad: does this seem like a reasonable categorization of BRL-CAD's primitives? http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/geometric_primitives.txt |
| 02:31.18 | ``Erik | nmg has a brep variant, too, iirc |
| 02:31.24 | ``Erik | and I don't see metaballs!!#~!@!~ |
| 03:00.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35696 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: Fooling around with vectors - this will need a bit more thought. |
| 03:01.03 | starseeker | ``Erik: That's the old nurbs stuff - it will eventually go away in favor of ON_Brep |
| 03:01.42 | starseeker | NMG will still handle what it currently handles, but better to do it as two different setups IMHO |
| 03:02.05 | starseeker | ``Erik: good point - what are metaballs? implicit or explicit? |
| 03:02.59 | ``Erik | I was kinda hoping you'd tell me |
| 03:05.50 | starseeker | aaaaand the bounding points are NOT on the plane of the face |
| 03:05.56 | starseeker | groans |
| 03:06.14 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'm guessing implicit |
| 03:06.53 | ``Erik | well, I kinda think of it as a contour of a value in space |
| 03:07.05 | ``Erik | sorta a 4d notion, I guess |
| 03:07.51 | ``Erik | the first form was modelled after point charges from physics |
| 03:09.05 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:10.00 | starseeker | math question - for a collection of coplanar points, will the point xmin, ymin, zmin be coplaner with the other points where the mins are the individual x, y and z mins of all the coplanar points? |
| 03:13.12 | ``Erik | I don't think so |
| 03:13.22 | ``Erik | but that'd involve more thinking than I care to commit at the moment |
| 03:13.40 | louipc | hmm my whiskey looks like it's infused with the glass |
| 03:13.44 | louipc | http://louipc.mine.nu/brlcad/shot-glass/shot-glass.png |
| 03:14.30 | ``Erik | louipc, I know you wanna make the american counter to goldschlagger, but seriously, dude, glass shards in whiskey, not a good idea :D |
| 03:15.20 | louipc | hahhha |
| 03:15.43 | louipc | I guess I have to mess around with the mater to get it to render properly |
| 03:15.58 | ``Erik | hm |
| 03:16.16 | starseeker | has only one other idea at the moment - take all the verticies, find their center point, find the maximum distance between any of the vertices and the center point, and use that vector + the plane normal to define the UV space for the NURBS surface |
| 03:16.28 | ``Erik | the whiskey should have a refractive coefficient of like 1.30 or something, 1.33 mebbe... (somewhere between water and alcohol), the lgass I think is more like 1.45 or 1.5 depending on the type |
| 03:16.41 | starseeker | that seems expensive though |
| 03:16.58 | ``Erik | 1.485-1.755 |
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| 03:39.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35697 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: OK, bounding points are not on the plane. Record next idea. |
| 04:34.28 | Ralith | starseeker: I believe Erik is correct |
| 04:35.44 | starseeker | Ralith: yeah, figured :-/ |
| 04:35.47 | starseeker | thanks though |
| 04:36.11 | starseeker | Ralith: question - can you import anything into Ogre directly? (dxf, say? |
| 04:36.14 | Ralith | think about the plane described by the triangle ((0 0 0)(2 0 0)(0 1 -1)) |
| 04:36.34 | Ralith | now take a point from the middle of that triangle (thus on the plane) |
| 04:36.56 | Ralith | and set x to 0 and z to -1 |
| 04:37.39 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:38.03 | starseeker | I think I have an approach, it just feels a bit like overkill |
| 04:38.10 | Ralith | afaik Ogre includes file loaders for nothing but its built-in file format |
| 04:38.18 | Ralith | why would that be desirable, anyway? We want to display stuff from .g |
| 04:38.34 | starseeker | right, but we've got to get our geometry into something that Ogre can handle |
| 04:39.15 | starseeker | figures we'll have to do (at least internally) a g-ogremesh conversion of some sort... |
| 04:39.19 | Ralith | writing it to temporary files isn't a good way to do that O.o |
| 04:39.29 | starseeker | oh, agreed |
| 04:39.30 | Ralith | I'm reasonably sure that we can just feed Ogre a point cloud. |
| 04:39.33 | Ralith | er |
| 04:39.34 | Ralith | a mesh |
| 04:39.42 | Ralith | generated manually from the .g |
| 04:39.56 | starseeker | that would be the internal logic for g-ogremesh :-) |
| 04:40.14 | Ralith | isn't entirely sure how ogre internally represents objects |
| 04:43.48 | starseeker | apparently ManualObject might be helpful... |
| 04:44.21 | Ralith | yeah, that's where I was going to start research |
| 04:44.58 | Ralith | first guess being something that'd end up with a class derived from ManualObject for each primitive for mged-style rendering |
| 04:45.25 | starseeker | hmm... http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/polygonise/ |
| 04:45.30 | Ralith | then maybe a generic 'Boolean' ManualObject descendent for when the brep stuff lets us quickly tesselate arbitrary booleans |
| 04:47.17 | starseeker | Ralith: any luck on the 3d rotate and translate bugs? |
| 04:47.34 | starseeker | could manually make an Ogre mesh with blender and import for a nice video demo :-) |
| 04:47.57 | Ralith | not a bad idea. |
| 04:48.11 | Ralith | been focusing on trying to fix the input bug but I guess I can put that off |
| 04:48.41 | starseeker | nods. I'm wondering if that's tangled up with the multiple OpenGL context stuff |
| 04:48.43 | Ralith | I have a fairly good idea why the translate bug is doing that, and I know conceptually what the rotate bug is doing but I'm not yet sure where/how. |
| 04:48.53 | Ralith | doubt it. |
| 04:49.00 | Ralith | would be hell if it was |
| 04:49.10 | starseeker | heh :-) |
| 04:49.12 | Ralith | eventually I want to replace all that with a proper Ogre backend for Qt. |
| 04:49.20 | Ralith | just because I think it'd save so much pain |
| 04:49.24 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:49.47 | Ralith | there's a good bit of 'special behavior' for all the various systems Qt's going through to do this, which weren't really meant to be used this way |
| 04:49.56 | Ralith | which has to be worked around often awkwardly |
| 04:50.10 | starseeker | well, if you can nail the rotate and translate bugs I'll do my best to manually convert a model and we can make an Awesome Video :-) |
| 04:50.31 | Ralith | cool, I'll see what I can do :) |
| 04:50.53 | starseeker | mutters to himself that he'll get it to play on the Mac by default this time... |
| 04:50.58 | starseeker | OK, sleep |
| 04:51.05 | Ralith | nite |
| 04:51.12 | Ralith | you'll need to specialize the opengl hacks for Carbon. |
| 04:51.56 | Ralith | or just use X |
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| 05:17.58 | ``Erik | sleep is for the weak |
| 05:18.03 | ``Erik | *snore* |
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| 11:55.44 | Yoshi47 | can you edit shapes vertice level, like in blender, where you can move the vertices around where ever you want? |
| 12:16.23 | brlcad | if there's actually a vertex, you usually can |
| 12:17.56 | brlcad | boolean operations on implicit primitives, however, can cause the addition of new vertices/edges/faces, though that are likewise _implicit_ and cannot be directly manipulated as such |
| 12:22.45 | brlcad | we're moving more towards a hybrid representation system so that we can also maintain an explicit representation, which allows for direct manipulation, but that's a ways off |
| 12:23.11 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 12:23.43 | brlcad | it gets at the heart of the differences in the way geometry is represented, ours being based on a strongly mathematical basis -- which is done for analysis purposes, guarantees of correctness and topology |
| 12:24.09 | brlcad | something which isn't of any concern to a content modeling system |
| 12:25.55 | Yoshi47 | nope |
| 12:26.04 | Yoshi47 | so i know have my turbine blade |
| 12:26.31 | Yoshi47 | which is a region of shapes, can i take that region and clone it around the center axis of the turbine |
| 12:32.36 | Yoshi47 | i guess i can't take a object and rotate it hey? |
| 12:34.21 | brlcad | sure you can |
| 12:34.21 | Yoshi47 | nevermind, i did it, oed, dug |
| 12:34.43 | Yoshi47 | only 11 more cp and rot, well im off for now, see ya guys later. |
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| 14:53.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: runs for now. |
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| 14:57.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Twist up how package headers are included. Heimdall has a "resolv.conf" that is |
| 14:57.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: installed and sometimes is grabbed instead of include/express/resolve.h, so pull |
| 14:57.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the express include directory up a level and refer to headers as, say, |
| 14:57.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: "express/resolve.conf". |
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| 17:34.21 | h4r1 | Hey |
| 18:19.55 | brlcad | starseeker: several missing, but looks mostly good. would not characterize the non-volumetric as such as it's not particularly meaningful -- half is implicit, sketch is 2D explicit primitive, grip is a non-geometric primitive |
| 18:21.00 | brlcad | the explicit qualifier is redundant on polygonal/spline surface, and you have a typo there (splice) |
| 18:21.54 | brlcad | ebm, hf, and dsp really belong in their own class as volumetric representations |
| 18:22.27 | brlcad | louipc: neat shot glass! |
| 18:39.32 | ``Erik | hm, "bokode" |
| 18:57.58 | Yoshi47 | well who's ready for time trials... |
| 18:58.11 | brlcad | hehe |
| 18:58.16 | brlcad | ready |
| 18:58.17 | brlcad | set |
| 18:58.18 | brlcad | go! |
| 18:58.25 | Yoshi47 | wait wait wait |
| 18:58.45 | Yoshi47 | i have to prep my work space |
| 18:59.08 | Yoshi47 | cold water: check, |
| 18:59.13 | Yoshi47 | lock door, check |
| 18:59.23 | Yoshi47 | tell everyone not to bug me, check |
| 18:59.34 | Yoshi47 | migraine go away, nope |
| 18:59.39 | Yoshi47 | oh well.. |
| 19:01.20 | Yoshi47 | ok go 3:00 |
| 19:20.14 | ``Erik | done yet, yoshi? :D *duck* |
| 19:22.49 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 19:23.36 | brlcad | hello yukonbob |
| 19:24.18 | yukonbob | :D |
| 19:24.25 | yukonbob | how was siggraph? |
| 19:24.29 | Yoshi47 | -5 minutes, phone call from work |
| 19:24.37 | Yoshi47 | i got the inner ring done. |
| 19:24.54 | ``Erik | quit chatting, ya might be able to beat an hour :D |
| 19:25.01 | brlcad | yukonbob: fabulous |
| 19:25.06 | Yoshi47 | im closing this |
| 19:25.11 | yukonbob | brlcad: very nice... |
| 19:25.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:25.45 | yukonbob | brlcad: bring back new ideas/inspirations? |
| 19:26.02 | brlcad | always |
| 19:26.20 | yukonbob | heh |
| 19:26.29 | brlcad | the ideas are always in abundance, and helps to keep things in a big picture perspective |
| 19:26.43 | yukonbob | nods |
| 19:26.48 | yukonbob | cool |
| 19:28.09 | yukonbob | was checking-out the siggraph website when you were there, and noted a future (next year?) event is coming to Vancouver |
| 19:28.33 | brlcad | possibly, at least that's the current plan for the year after next |
| 19:28.44 | brlcad | there was some dissention this year, though, that it might not happen |
| 19:29.07 | yukonbob | ppl don't want it out of America? |
| 19:29.28 | brlcad | moreover that it was even a rumor to begin with according to one staffer (but I'm not convinced he was in the know) |
| 19:29.45 | brlcad | in general, no they don't |
| 19:30.17 | yukonbob | saw news published on a credible-looking website. |
| 19:30.21 | brlcad | it's a very big conference that makes and costs a lot of money .. even when they simply leave Los Angeles, they usually lose money and attendance is down |
| 19:30.24 | ``Erik | imagines most attendees are from the US, and most of them don't have passports |
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| 19:59.32 | Yoshi47 | well... |
| 19:59.37 | Yoshi47 | guess what |
| 19:59.58 | ``Erik | didn't finish it? |
| 20:00.42 | brlcad | deleted it again? |
| 20:00.42 | Yoshi47 | everything done except the shield |
| 20:00.42 | Yoshi47 | lol funny |
| 20:00.42 | Yoshi47 | i would be pissed |
| 20:00.42 | ``Erik | :D |
| 20:00.42 | Yoshi47 | who wants a copy? |
| 20:00.42 | brlcad | hey, Yoshi47 .. why don't you post that up somewhere? :) |
| 20:00.42 | Yoshi47 | before i delete it again |
| 20:00.44 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:00.44 | ``Erik | heh |
| 20:01.04 | Yoshi47 | i don't know if i want other people to see my messy structure... |
| 20:01.05 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 20:01.12 | Yoshi47 | where can i post? |
| 20:01.31 | ``Erik | also; ponder using svn or something instead of rsync. a sorta manual 'undo' capability, co where ya want it, easy semantics :) |
| 20:01.38 | Yoshi47 | or should i just finish the shield and the textures first |
| 20:02.09 | Yoshi47 | one sec... |
| 20:02.17 | ``Erik | (just something to think about *shrug* not saying it's a good way) |
| 20:03.16 | Yoshi47 | http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/v/bearing_g.html |
| 20:03.36 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, don't worry i won't do that again. |
| 20:03.50 | Yoshi47 | someone try and download it and tell me if it works... |
| 20:04.00 | Yoshi47 | B complete.c |
| 20:05.04 | Yoshi47 | well someone got it... who did it? |
| 20:05.17 | ``Erik | just did |
| 20:05.22 | Yoshi47 | nice |
| 20:05.25 | Yoshi47 | does it work? |
| 20:05.28 | brlcad | too |
| 20:05.33 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 20:06.23 | Yoshi47 | i actually added a couple more curved edges too... |
| 20:07.40 | Yoshi47 | i almost have my turbine done too... just have to get the center shaft cut out. |
| 20:11.48 | brlcad | so about 30 hours passive down to about an hour active |
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| 20:26.00 | ``Erik | hehehe glass bearings :D |
| 20:26.47 | ``Erik | looks awesome in perspective mode |
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| 20:39.27 | Yoshi47 | so you having fun with my bearing |
| 20:48.40 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/glassbearing.png |
| 20:49.36 | Yoshi47 | nice |
| 20:49.39 | Yoshi47 | little dark... |
| 20:50.54 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/glassbearing.rt as an example of how to generate... |
| 20:51.09 | ``Erik | it's glass with a black background, of course it's dark :D |
| 20:51.19 | Yoshi47 | i wouldn't even know how to use rt files yet |
| 20:51.25 | ``Erik | it's a shell script |
| 20:51.53 | ``Erik | was generated by using "saveview" in mged, then I tweaked it a bit :) |
| 20:52.38 | starseeker | sh glassbearing.rt :-) |
| 20:52.45 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 20:53.03 | Yoshi47 | so is whats the diff between rtwizard and rendering in mged? |
| 20:53.15 | ``Erik | different ways to invoke rt |
| 20:53.30 | Yoshi47 | but same background renderer |
| 20:53.41 | ``Erik | for the most part... |
| 20:54.02 | ``Erik | the edge view in rtwizard actually invokes rtedge instead of rt, then composites the various images |
| 20:54.12 | Yoshi47 | oh |
| 20:54.21 | Yoshi47 | well who wants a shity impeller? |
| 20:55.58 | Yoshi47 | most likely a better way to draw but i don't know everything, and it takes forever to render because of the code used to make, maybe once you see you can offer suggestions for a better way... |
| 20:58.40 | Yoshi47 | heres the link for the impeller http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/v/CAD/impeller_g.html |
| 20:58.47 | Yoshi47 | louipc, your impeller is done! |
| 20:58.58 | Yoshi47 | well if you can call it an impeller |
| 21:08.19 | ``Erik | yowza |
| 21:10.20 | ``Erik | it renders slow because it has to evaluate just about every primitive in the screen for every ray, btw... imagine every plot (red wireframe of a primitive) has a box around it, if the ray goes through that box, it evaluates the primitive |
| 21:10.34 | ``Erik | but it looks neat |
| 21:17.46 | brlcad | wow, that is slow.. :) |
| 21:17.52 | brlcad | good optimization test case |
| 21:25.52 | ``Erik | runs nice and fast facetized, though O:-) |
| 21:30.47 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:30.50 | brlcad | cheater! |
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| 21:36.23 | fenn | first rule of computer graphics: glass always looks terrible on a black background |
| 21:42.41 | ``Erik | *snrkt* http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=785708 |
| 21:45.24 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, whos a cheater? |
| 21:45.37 | ``Erik | I am, for facetizing it :D |
| 21:45.43 | Yoshi47 | oh |
| 21:46.11 | ``Erik | (and, yeah, glass on black isn't good, but I forgot to set a background color and didn't want to make a surrounding scene) |
| 21:46.31 | Yoshi47 | i don't mind white |
| 21:48.37 | ``Erik | -C255/255/255 |
| 21:49.27 | brlcad | glass on black can work, you just have to jack up the ambient a bit |
| 21:49.34 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/bearing/bearing.png |
| 21:50.03 | Yoshi47 | im just trying to think why you would make a bearing out of glass... |
| 21:50.06 | ``Erik | giving the glass a greenish hue might improve it, too... make it ... glassier |
| 21:50.24 | ``Erik | Yoshi47: cuz glass stuff looks awesome raytraced? :D |
| 21:50.31 | brlcad | Yoshi47: no reason :) |
| 21:50.36 | brlcad | or .. why NOT?! |
| 21:50.41 | brlcad | ahem |
| 21:51.16 | Yoshi47 | it does look cool, green tinge would be better |
| 21:51.18 | ``Erik | in the future, everything is made of glass |
| 21:51.22 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 21:51.56 | brlcad | plus it's quick n dirty .. creating lights, adding textures and bump mappings, tweaking shaders.. that's all work :) |
| 21:52.10 | brlcad | likes the bearing |
| 21:52.29 | Yoshi47 | i just have to finish the shield |
| 21:52.38 | ``Erik | in a scene with stuff around it and multiple lights, it'd look awesome, I think |
| 21:52.39 | Yoshi47 | but at least i have backups now! |
| 21:53.26 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/glassbearing_white.png |
| 21:53.46 | Yoshi47 | ouch |
| 21:53.52 | ``Erik | yeah |
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| 21:55.11 | Yoshi47 | so any tips for the impeller or bearing? |
| 21:57.55 | fenn | you should have made it from diamond instead of glass :) |
| 21:58.30 | fenn | also i don't suppose brlcad supports HDR environment maps |
| 22:00.48 | brlcad | nope |
| 22:00.54 | brlcad | patches welcome ;) |
| 22:04.57 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/bearing/bearing2.png |
| 22:05.35 | Yoshi47 | nice |
| 22:06.36 | Yoshi47 | i got my other little bearing in 4mm wide and 10mm tall |
| 22:07.10 | Yoshi47 | so i have to draw that up too soon, but im not going to do the inside, just the outside cause it has shields on it and im not taking this one apart cause i have to buy these. |
| 22:14.09 | brlcad | wee... http://brlcad.org/tmp/bearing/bearing3.png :) |
| 22:14.30 | Yoshi47 | i love it! |
| 22:14.56 | Yoshi47 | just for your info the bearing does have a little mirrow to it rough mirror |
| 22:15.18 | brlcad | the impeller is turning out fantastic too, but damn is it exercising the boolean evaluator |
| 22:15.20 | Yoshi47 | but you need surrondings then i think, that looks really good |
| 22:15.26 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 22:15.45 | brlcad | especially as glass, of course :) |
| 22:15.51 | Yoshi47 | anyway i could of done it easier like a arb8 that can bend! |
| 22:16.04 | starseeker | Yoshi47: patience :-) |
| 22:16.24 | Yoshi47 | starseeker, im guessing its in the works! time line? |
| 22:16.26 | brlcad | glass is particularly abusive, it's having to query almost the whole model for every primary ray as well as every reflected and refracted interior ray |
| 22:16.44 | Yoshi47 | i hope you got a farm at your disposal |
| 22:16.58 | brlcad | not using it |
| 22:17.02 | starseeker | Yoshi47: a bit hard to say - editing is down the road |
| 22:17.13 | starseeker | You might look at Ayam |
| 22:17.19 | Yoshi47 | Ayam? |
| 22:17.30 | brlcad | just an 8-core churning on it .. is looking very purty |
| 22:17.34 | starseeker | http://ayam.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:17.49 | starseeker | they can export 3dm nurbs, and in theory we can import them |
| 22:18.04 | starseeker | not in practice thus far, but patches welcome :-) |
| 22:18.39 | Yoshi47 | umm |
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| 22:20.50 | Yoshi47 | can blender export 3dm nurbs? |
| 22:21.11 | starseeker | to the best of my knowledge Blender's NURBS support is incomplete |
| 22:21.34 | Yoshi47 | i think i need more lesson on NURBS |
| 22:21.38 | brlcad | I love it when I do a search for some obscure brep/nurbs topic and the top results is a link to our svn or our irc log |
| 22:21.45 | brlcad | damnits |
| 22:22.15 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 22:22.18 | starseeker | hehe - we may not lead the field but we lead the google searches :-) |
| 22:22.45 | Yoshi47 | i don't like that, well i do , but more support would be nice.. |
| 22:22.59 | brlcad | we apparently lead the field that actually discusses it in the open :) |
| 22:23.14 | starseeker | Yoshi47: it's a Very Hard Problem |
| 22:23.17 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, really, what does blender use then for their curves? |
| 22:23.48 | brlcad | Yoshi47: what do you mean? they maintain their own geometry format internally |
| 22:24.15 | Yoshi47 | oh, well im reading more on NURBS right now to get more of an idea of the whole thing. |
| 22:24.23 | Yoshi47 | sorry for my incompetence |
| 22:24.30 | brlcad | NURBS is a superset |
| 22:26.26 | starseeker | brlcad: I hate to ask this, I think I've done so before - when creating a vector with a starting point at x1, y1, z1 and end point at x2, y2, z2 do I create a vector to P1 and a vector to P2 and add them? |
| 22:28.37 | brlcad | er, depends how you're using that vector |
| 22:29.19 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, how the rendering coming on that impeller |
| 22:29.42 | starseeker | I have a normal from plane_t, and a vector in space from P1 to P2 that I want to cross with that normal |
| 22:30.09 | starseeker | or more specifically, I want to center both the normal and the vector in the plane on a particular point |
| 22:30.21 | starseeker | then cross them |
| 22:30.22 | brlcad | Yoshi47: oh it's really going to take a while :) i should have started a distributed render at the quality level I picked |
| 22:30.41 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, nice |
| 22:31.41 | Yoshi47 | so what state is nurbs at? somewhat usable, in specing? |
| 22:38.32 | brlcad | mostly usable on import |
| 22:38.37 | brlcad | you can't create or edit them directly |
| 22:39.24 | Yoshi47 | umm, |
| 22:39.43 | Yoshi47 | i think the math for that is pretty hard!' |
| 22:44.58 | ``Erik | ok, barbie O.o |
| 22:45.49 | starseeker | ``Erik: last time I checked, barbie can't cad model ;-) |
| 22:45.54 | starseeker | math or no |
| 22:45.59 | ``Erik | but barbie says "math is hard" :D *duck* |
| 22:46.04 | ``Erik | reads backlog, just got home |
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| 00:11.58 | ``Erik | ssshhhhh |
| 00:19.20 | starseeker | NNooooooo. Jeez SCO, DIE already |
| 00:22.42 | starseeker | wonders who told them dead horse beating was an Olympic sport... |
| 00:29.28 | ``Erik | wasn't that yesterday? or was that this morning |
| 00:49.00 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, how the rendering coming on that impeller |
| 00:49.23 | Yoshi47 | or is it going to take all night |
| 00:49.34 | ``Erik | I imagine he's not at his 'puter |
| 00:49.44 | Yoshi47 | whys that |
| 00:50.10 | yukonbob | facepalms |
| 00:51.05 | starseeker | he's gone home |
| 00:52.21 | Yoshi47 | oh |
| 01:47.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35711 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: OK, might actually be generating the right surface corner points now. |
| 02:03.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r35712 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 02:03.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Ray, Hit, and Partition are now Externalizable. |
| 02:03.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Added a test for Hit. |
| 02:37.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35713 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: Start to rough out (and I stress the rough part) the remainder of the logic for nmg->brep |
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| 03:41.48 | talcite | ahh finally figured out how to use Koji. We're going to get a ppc and SPARC build if all goes well! =D |
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| 07:37.37 | talcite | well, the builds on ppc, ppc64, i386, x86_64 |
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| 07:40.47 | talcite | are working* |
| 07:40.56 | talcite | =S I should probably sleep now. I'm not making sense anymore |
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| 12:03.31 | starseeker | brlcad: would volumetric representations be considered explicit primitives? |
| 12:19.45 | Yoshi47 | is it always this quiet when im not talking... |
| 12:22.16 | Axman6 | yes |
| 12:34.03 | Yoshi47 | lol |
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| 12:58.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35714 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (surfaceintersect.cpp surfaceintersect.h): Added function CurveCurveIntersect, which replaces the ON_Curve::IntersectCurve function since it isn't actually implemented. |
| 13:07.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jdoliner 07http://brlcad.org * r1607 10/wiki/User:Jdoliner: |
| 13:07.29 | brlcad | starseeker: I've always thought of them as implicit/explicit hybrids |
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| 13:09.27 | brlcad | explicit regular data but that implies some given volume -- the geometry itself is implicit but it's distinct enough that the literature generally considers it a separate case altogether |
| 13:09.39 | brlcad | Yoshi47: it comes in waves |
| 13:09.49 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 13:09.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35715 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/human.c: Various changes to reflect new verbose setting |
| 13:10.03 | Yoshi47 | hows the rendering coming |
| 13:10.21 | brlcad | non-stop chatter for days, then really quiet, then tons of non-stop commit messges, etc :) |
| 13:10.40 | brlcad | oh, I'm sure it's finished .. but I'm not at that machine for another hour or so |
| 13:11.07 | brlcad | i'm sure it's done, it should have finished after about an hour |
| 13:12.36 | brlcad | jdoliner: awesome :) |
| 13:13.15 | brlcad | except for the overlap problem.. |
| 13:14.14 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 13:14.34 | jdoliner | I'm not sure if I should spend time to do that now |
| 13:14.38 | jdoliner | or come back to it a bit later |
| 13:26.10 | ``Erik | hm, C or tcl, C or tcl |
| 13:26.45 | Yoshi47 | C? |
| 13:27.30 | ``Erik | might have to write the algo in psuedocode before deciding, unless he can sucker brlcad into doing it "in a couple lines of tcl" :D |
| 13:31.38 | Axman6 | Ada! |
| 13:38.05 | ``Erik | "The GOTO is like a chainsaw. yes, some folks can actually make good things, and even make really nice carvings with a chainsaw. most just make a big fucking mess." |
| 13:51.13 | mafm | lolcode ftw |
| 13:53.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35716 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: More nmg->brep logic, still not functional... |
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| 14:33.15 | Yoshi47 | Question: why do i have to reset my color scheme everytime i open mged? why does it save this preference? in the DB for the file your editing or globaly like /home/josh/.brlcad/config? |
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| 15:10.18 | ``Erik | ~/.mgedrc |
| 15:11.14 | Yoshi47 | umm |
| 15:11.23 | indianlarry | under GUI File->Create/Update .mgedrc |
| 15:11.46 | brlcad | ``Erik: which algo? |
| 15:11.51 | Yoshi47 | indianlarry, thanks |
| 15:11.58 | indianlarry | you bet |
| 15:12.00 | brlcad | C ftw ;) |
| 15:13.22 | ``Erik | wanna recreate the tree, with name mangling. when I see a region bit, I want to facetize into mangle;s/$/.bot/ and add that to the mangled region, with all mater and attr shtuff duped |
| 15:14.46 | ``Erik | recfacetize 's/$/_f/' all.g -> all.g_r { tor.r_f { tor.r_f.bot } + cone.r_f { cone.r_f.bot } } |
| 15:14.51 | ``Erik | 'r sumfin |
| 15:15.52 | ``Erik | my current approach is destructive... facetize all and some external prep to kill/mv the bots in under the existing regions |
| 15:16.56 | ``Erik | (and I already feel like I've thought too much, this is a yak shaving exercize to support something else) |
| 15:17.02 | ``Erik | :D |
| 15:17.26 | brlcad | what's the _f and _r above the region level mean? |
| 15:17.53 | ``Erik | _f to denote facetized |
| 15:18.29 | ``Erik | I want to create a second toplevel tree that mirrors the original except all regions contain exactly one bot |
| 15:18.47 | ``Erik | the name mangling is arbitrary |
| 15:19.09 | mafm | how's gsoc, did students pass? |
| 15:19.48 | ``Erik | I think we need to wait for wrapup to say, mafm? |
| 15:20.48 | mafm | aren't evaluations finished yet? |
| 15:21.07 | ``Erik | they're all submitted now, but I think there's magic that has to happen on googles end |
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| 15:53.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35717 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: Start checking validity of components. |
| 16:00.25 | brlcad | starseeker: jdoliner: did either of you figure out if there's a conversion to go from ON_Mesh to ON_Brep ? |
| 16:01.27 | brlcad | if there is, nmgs may translate nearly 1-1 with an ON_Mesh |
| 16:06.53 | mafm | oh, right |
| 16:09.17 | Yoshi47 | umm whats the easiest way to make "608Z" in brlcad so i can groove that into the shield |
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| 16:29.31 | FAMULUS | hello! |
| 16:29.55 | Yoshi47 | hi |
| 16:29.58 | FAMULUS | I've produced this beautiful part in BRL CAD |
| 16:30.14 | FAMULUS | but having difficult getting it made from STL |
| 16:30.19 | FAMULUS | overlapping trianges |
| 16:30.20 | FAMULUS | http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2009/08/21/overlapping-triangles-in-stl/ |
| 16:30.40 | FAMULUS | looking for direction |
| 16:30.41 | FAMULUS | http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2009/08/23/new-stl-for-superconducting-magrid/ |
| 16:32.06 | FAMULUS | even at higher resolution is still has overlapping triangles |
| 16:33.17 | Yoshi47 | sorry i don't have enough knowledge to help you |
| 16:33.33 | louipc | that's cool. what does it do? |
| 16:34.09 | brlcad | hi FAMULUS |
| 16:34.12 | FAMULUS | hi |
| 16:34.14 | louipc | hmm bussard reactor |
| 16:34.26 | FAMULUS | louipc: this will be the core of a nuclear fusion reactor |
| 16:34.27 | brlcad | Yoshi47: the easiest way is probably an EBM |
| 16:34.31 | brlcad | extruded bitmap |
| 16:34.33 | louipc | OH JEEZ |
| 16:34.42 | louipc | we have fusion technology now? |
| 16:34.58 | FAMULUS | louipc: below breakeven yes |
| 16:35.07 | louipc | aw |
| 16:35.12 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, thats what i figured, guess i got to learn that process. |
| 16:35.34 | brlcad | get out your favorite image editor, make a 1-bit image with 608Z in it to your liking, save as png, convert to bw with png-bw, create an ebm using that bw image |
| 16:35.46 | brlcad | 'in' command will prompt you |
| 16:35.53 | brlcad | i believe there is an ebm tutorial on the wiki |
| 16:36.48 | FAMULUS | brlcad: looking into it |
| 16:36.59 | FAMULUS | brlcad: what's the deal with g-stl anyway |
| 16:37.43 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, thanks |
| 16:37.51 | brlcad | other than it being an NP-hard problem? :) |
| 16:38.10 | FAMULUS | brlcad: oh, it's like that |
| 16:39.01 | louipc | iges conversion isn't any better eh? |
| 16:39.47 | brlcad | FAMULUS: what mike suggested was what I was thinking as well |
| 16:40.00 | brlcad | the fact that they are overlapping is pretty surprising though |
| 16:40.10 | brlcad | does your model validate overlap-wise? |
| 16:40.22 | brlcad | (rtcheck/gqa) |
| 16:40.35 | brlcad | if it doesn't, it's a modeling error and you should fix that first |
| 16:40.39 | FAMULUS | brlcad: seeing I don't know what that means exactly, probably not |
| 16:40.57 | brlcad | there are tools/commands to check whether your model has overlaps |
| 16:41.12 | brlcad | to perform a valid export with g-stl, there should be no overlaps |
| 16:41.20 | brlcad | *before* the tessellation even begins |
| 16:41.38 | FAMULUS | brlcad: I see, let me start here |
| 16:41.43 | brlcad | you can get a quick idea by just running "rtcheck" |
| 16:41.45 | brlcad | in mged |
| 16:41.49 | FAMULUS | ok |
| 16:42.21 | brlcad | the better way is via the gqa command or g_qa command-line tool, but that'll require a little setup first |
| 16:42.55 | brlcad | if rtcheck reports no overlaps, try refining the grid (e.g., rtcheck -s2000) |
| 16:43.02 | FAMULUS | _dirbuild(chassis) failure |
| 16:45.56 | FAMULUS | he process has forked and you cannot use this CoreFoundation functionality safely. You MUST exec(). |
| 16:45.56 | FAMULUS | Break on __THE_PROCESS_HAS_FORKED_AND_YOU_CANNOT_USE_THIS_COREFOUNDATION_FUNCTIONALITY___YOU_MUST_EXEC__() to debug. |
| 16:46.20 | FAMULUS | hmm, ive seen this before |
| 16:46.23 | brlcad | yeah, that's a known 10.5 issue |
| 16:46.29 | brlcad | fixed for most things, but not others |
| 16:46.51 | FAMULUS | I think to get around this I have to issue command from terminal |
| 16:49.08 | brlcad | yeah, that'll work |
| 16:49.23 | brlcad | rtcheck your.g someobject |
| 16:49.35 | FAMULUS | hmm, not this time |
| 16:49.37 | FAMULUS | mged -c decawell.g rtcheck torus1 |
| 16:49.47 | FAMULUS | same error |
| 16:49.54 | FAMULUS | bummer |
| 16:49.57 | brlcad | right, don't run mged |
| 16:50.12 | brlcad | it's one of the other 399 commands |
| 16:50.21 | brlcad | rtcheck decawell.g torus1 |
| 16:50.36 | brlcad | if torus1 is a primitive, there will be no overlaps |
| 16:50.45 | brlcad | overlaps have to do with defined region objects |
| 16:50.59 | FAMULUS | right, but thats a sanity check |
| 16:51.09 | FAMULUS | just trying to get the command to work |
| 16:51.36 | FAMULUS | I'm on BRL-CAD Release 7.12.2 |
| 16:51.46 | brlcad | that's probably why you get the FORKED error |
| 16:52.09 | FAMULUS | ok, I'll upgrade to 7.12.6 |
| 16:52.13 | brlcad | "probably" because I don't recall specifically testing rtcheck, but a bunch were quelled |
| 16:52.23 | brlcad | you'll want 7.14.8 |
| 16:52.29 | FAMULUS | oh |
| 16:52.31 | FAMULUS | thanks |
| 16:52.57 | FAMULUS | good to see BRL under active development |
| 16:53.11 | brlcad | or better, latest svn and just compile it ;) |
| 16:53.19 | brlcad | you're on a mac, so you have everything you need |
| 16:53.34 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 16:53.35 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 16:53.58 | FAMULUS | brlcad: ok, I'll try. |
| 16:54.15 | brlcad | cd brlcad && sh autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-all --enable-optimized --prefix=/usr/brlcad/dev-7.14.9 && make && sudo make install |
| 16:54.21 | brlcad | that should do it |
| 16:54.27 | FAMULUS | brlcad: trying.... |
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| 16:55.13 | brlcad | Yoshi47: you find the ebm overview? |
| 16:55.27 | Yoshi47 | havebn't had time users nagging |
| 16:55.40 | brlcad | okay, it's here: http://brlcad.org/wiki/EBM |
| 16:55.45 | Yoshi47 | ok thanks |
| 16:56.22 | brlcad | you'll want something bigger than 350x35 so there are minimized jaggies |
| 17:00.17 | FAMULUS | brlcad: what's a good example of overlap in the context of BRL CAD |
| 17:00.42 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 17:01.14 | brlcad | overlap means you've defined two objects such that they're occupying the same space |
| 17:01.54 | FAMULUS | brlcad: hmm, but that's ok when they are u together |
| 17:02.13 | brlcad | two hammers criss-crossed would be an overlap on the middle region where they cross |
| 17:02.38 | FAMULUS | but if you combined the 2 hammers into 1 comb object you would be ok |
| 17:02.50 | brlcad | and that would be because I defined the hammer, as an example, as having two regions -- one for the steel head and one region for the wooden handle |
| 17:03.12 | brlcad | creating a region is the way that you denote an object physically occupies space |
| 17:03.33 | brlcad | the difference between the shape of a hammer handle and an actual wooden hammer handle |
| 17:03.51 | FAMULUS | right |
| 17:03.56 | brlcad | and NO you would not be okay if you combined the 2 hammers into 1 comb object |
| 17:04.03 | brlcad | that's exactly the problem |
| 17:04.07 | FAMULUS | ah |
| 17:04.08 | FAMULUS | comb chassis u solid.c - negative_form.c |
| 17:04.20 | FAMULUS | I'm using only comb |
| 17:04.32 | brlcad | now if you combined the shape of the two handles together and unioned them together *before* making a region .. you'd be okay |
| 17:05.09 | brlcad | have you created any "regions" |
| 17:05.21 | FAMULUS | brlcad: funny I stopped using regions because that was breaking STL export |
| 17:05.43 | FAMULUS | http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2009/05/30/brl-cad-stl-progress/ |
| 17:05.51 | brlcad | a region is one "object" and the stl file format only supports one object |
| 17:05.59 | brlcad | so if you have multiple regions, you have multiple stl files or a problem |
| 17:06.11 | FAMULUS | ok |
| 17:06.30 | brlcad | you could combine it all together and make that combined thing be a region |
| 17:06.46 | FAMULUS | ok |
| 17:08.54 | FAMULUS | checking docs |
| 17:14.58 | ``Erik | *burp* |
| 17:24.20 | FAMULUS | brlcad: we'll I just successfully exported to STL with a region as the last object standing |
| 17:33.01 | FAMULUS | brlcad: so you can make a region out of a compination, and make a combination out of a region? |
| 17:49.36 | ``Erik | yes |
| 17:49.50 | ``Erik | a region is actually just a combination with a flag set |
| 17:50.47 | ``Erik | above the region level, things like "assembly" make it harder to shoot yourself in the foot, though |
| 17:52.51 | FAMULUS | ``Erik: is there a difference between a region made up of combinations, and a region made up of regions |
| 17:54.34 | ``Erik | it... depends, and having a region somewhere inside of a region kinda breaks the notion... (a region refers to a single physical homogenous material thing, something that exists irl) |
| 17:55.49 | ``Erik | most things will walk down the tree and once they see the region bit, assume everything below is just 'the shape', so region information below the first is ignored |
| 17:55.50 | ``Erik | (I think) |
| 18:02.51 | starseeker | brlcad: I don't see any ON_Mesh to ON_Brep tools |
| 18:03.08 | starseeker | would have been surprised given Rhino is a nurbs modeler :-) |
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| 18:16.08 | brlcad | starseeker: could be something as simple as a copy constructor |
| 18:16.37 | brlcad | i'd actually be surprised if they don't support it within rhino |
| 18:16.49 | brlcad | easily one of the things they could have removed though |
| 18:19.54 | starseeker | feels like he is getting close |
| 18:20.04 | starseeker | famous last words, of course... |
| 18:21.20 | Yoshi47 | who wants a bearing with a shield? although i can't figure out why my numbers don't render nicely... |
| 18:23.24 | ``Erik | hm, my new bsd machine swings in just shy of 8k vgr's |
| 18:24.18 | ``Erik | I'm sure my crusty old mac still trounces that :/ *waits* |
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| 18:28.02 | ``Erik | oh yeah, the bsd machine gets 7946, the mac gets 22733 |
| 18:28.26 | ``Erik | too bad the mach shandler crud makes the unix tools soooo ssssllllooooowwwwww, can compile way faster on the bsd box |
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| 18:35.36 | Yoshi47 | http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/v/CAD/bearing_g.html here the finished bearing for now, unless i need to make changes, like the 608Z |
| 18:49.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0387.206.145.226 07http://brlcad.org * r1608 10/wiki/User:526_buy_viagra: /* */ |
| 18:49.39 | brlcad | FAMULUS: what erik said is spot on |
| 18:49.52 | brlcad | a region in a region is a modeling error unless it's a region subtracted from a region |
| 18:50.19 | brlcad | above the region level, and you have what we call "groups" and others call assemblies |
| 18:50.35 | brlcad | at the region level, that's effectively a 'part' |
| 18:50.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0387.206.145.226 07http://brlcad.org * r1609 10/wiki/User:526_buy_viagra: /* */ |
| 18:50.45 | brlcad | below the region level is just a shape |
| 18:51.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0387.206.145.226 07http://brlcad.org * r1610 10/wiki/User:526_buy_viagra: /* */ |
| 18:52.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:87.206.145.226]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
| 18:56.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0383.24.64.144 07http://brlcad.org * r1611 10/wiki/User:526_buy_viagra: fix |
| 19:02.38 | FAMULUS | brlcad: so far it seems to be working. maybe my problem was originally I had regions in regions |
| 19:04.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35718 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: Checkpoint nmg_brep.cpp work. |
| 19:40.16 | ``Erik | laptop weighs in at 6097 vgr's |
| 19:48.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35719 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/bot.c: fix type in casting |
| 19:53.53 | Ralith | ``Erik: machs handler? |
| 19:58.07 | brlcad | cool, nice to hear things work right when you feed it valid geometry |
| 19:58.45 | brlcad | ``Erik: what is that? |
| 19:58.56 | brlcad | slightly faster than this old MBP |
| 19:59.22 | brlcad | here's yoshi's impeller render.. amazing. http://brlcad.org/tmp/impeller.png |
| 20:01.44 | ``Erik | ralith: every system call on osX goes through the mach event handler, shandler() |
| 20:02.06 | Ralith | seems odd |
| 20:02.23 | Ralith | might make it really easy to implement a geordi though |
| 20:02.27 | Ralith | brlcad: ooh, nice! |
| 20:02.36 | brlcad | laforge? |
| 20:02.46 | Ralith | brlcad: geordi of ##c++ |
| 20:03.24 | Ralith | C++ compiler IRC bot |
| 20:03.24 | ``Erik | wow, look at all that aliasing O.o *duck* |
| 20:03.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35720 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (19 files in 19 dirs): update info for "make depends" |
| 20:03.26 | louipc | sweet render |
| 20:03.33 | brlcad | that was H15 J3 .. but you have to downsample to get rid of all aliasing properly |
| 20:03.56 | Ralith | it has to intercept all system calls from the compiler and executable to be able to function safely |
| 20:04.13 | Ralith | brlcad: might be a bit easy to actually tell what's going on if it wasn't glass though >_> |
| 20:04.18 | ``Erik | huh, the blades on the other side of it look like they have some pretty heavy aliasing vs the background |
| 20:04.26 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 20:04.57 | brlcad | yeah, edge pixels are accented because they don't blend the background like interior ones |
| 20:05.25 | brlcad | probably should, dunno where that bit of code is |
| 20:06.10 | Ralith | how long has yoshi been studying mged? |
| 20:06.11 | ``Erik | ooh, I bet it's "miss" short-circuiting instead of passing back the background color |
| 20:06.57 | ``Erik | so a black half or arb8 would get good blending |
| 20:07.24 | brlcad | Ralith: that was his third day iirc |
| 20:07.40 | Ralith | that's pretty impressive |
| 20:07.52 | brlcad | did one model in three days, that model in a couple hours, redid the model that took him three days in an hour after he accidentally deleted it :) |
| 20:07.56 | Ralith | shall keep this handy to wave at people who complain about accessibility |
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| 20:13.08 | brlcad | Yoshi47: http://brlcad.org/tmp/impeller.png |
| 20:13.20 | brlcad | i'll see if i can get a render later in metal :) |
| 20:13.26 | brlcad | which reminds me.. |
| 20:16.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35721 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: how about adding a shiny metal shader so one doesn't have to make up the values every time. |
| 20:16.23 | Ralith | Yoshi47: if you feel like it, I'd be pretty interested to read a walkthrough of how you modeled that. |
| 20:16.43 | Ralith | observes that a variety of modeling walkthroughs might be a good way to introduce new users to mged |
| 20:16.58 | louipc | it doesn't look so nice in mged |
| 20:17.04 | louipc | it's just a mess-o-lines |
| 20:17.57 | louipc | it'd be great to get a wireframe of the actual part edges |
| 20:18.05 | louipc | Ralith: yeah for sure |
| 20:20.17 | brlcad | louipc: yeah, were talking about that yesterday |
| 20:20.31 | brlcad | the problem is that there aren't "actual part edges" when you model with implicits and CSG |
| 20:21.42 | brlcad | as we become a fully hybrid representation system, we'll be able to derive/evaluate those edges .. that requires the NURBS work being complete (which is probably about 50% now after two years) |
| 20:23.20 | ``Erik | louipc: facetize :D |
| 20:23.55 | ``Erik | cribbing povrays huge honkin' library of .inc files might be useful for the 'shiney metal shader' notion |
| 20:26.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35722 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: well, at least that's a different nmg->brep invalidity error... |
| 20:26.56 | louipc | hmm true |
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| 21:00.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Made the make-army command generate an army with variance in height. |
| 21:00.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Heights from 56 inches to 66 inches currently. Automatic with the -N# command. |
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| 02:16.10 | Yoshi47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.22 | Ralith | Yoshi47: step-by-step description of what you did |
| 02:17.01 | Ralith | basically, a writeup such that a complete newbie could reproduce your model, with enough explanation that one would learn a lot doing so. |
| 02:17.04 | Ralith | brb |
| 02:17.40 | Yoshi47 | umm, that would take a while to write up and who knows if it did it correct and the best way |
| 02:18.19 | Yoshi47 | what would would be an excellent tool for tutorials, the ability to extract the command used to create each object! |
| 02:18.47 | Ralith | it would indeed take some effort, but it would be very interesting to read. |
| 02:19.04 | Ralith | and if it's written up other people can suggest more 'correct' ways :P |
| 02:19.09 | Ralith | that way you get to learn too ^^ |
| 02:19.16 | Yoshi47 | true |
| 02:19.40 | Ralith | and writing out what you did and why you did it for each step might in and of itself help you. |
| 02:19.51 | Yoshi47 | well i think about it and work at that slowy, you are talking about the impeller right? it will take some time i got lots going on, but i'll give it a shot... |
| 02:19.53 | Ralith | 'course, lots of work and probably not as helpful as just modeling more random stuff. |
| 02:20.00 | Ralith | yeah, the impeller |
| 02:20.03 | Yoshi47 | ok |
| 02:20.23 | Yoshi47 | well, i'' try in my spare moments, good review for me thats for sure! |
| 02:20.33 | Ralith | no rush; just an idea. |
| 02:20.54 | Yoshi47 | Ralith, nope, but a good idea, i'll get her done, need more tutorials. |
| 02:21.21 | Ralith | :) |
| 02:21.41 | Yoshi47 | i wish i had a clone... |
| 02:22.29 | Yoshi47 | well im of to bed, cya guys later! |
| 02:23.19 | Yoshi47 | man that impeller looks nice in glass, i hope brlcad started a chrome render |
| 02:24.06 | Yoshi47 | bye |
| 02:24.37 | Ralith | nite! |
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| 03:47.45 | starseeker | hmm - I think I found the perfect starting point for populating a default material objects list :-) http://www.dlis.dla.mil/PDFs/fiigmat.pdf |
| 03:48.31 | starseeker | wonders if that sucker can be parsed somehow... |
| 04:15.31 | louipc | sure why not? |
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| 12:20.51 | starseeker | wonders how many man hours all of this represents: http://www.dlis.dla.mil/fiigdata/fiigs.htm |
| 12:21.49 | d-lo | lol |
| 12:21.54 | d-lo | probably don't want to know. |
| 12:22.04 | d-lo | but here's my favorite: A511W 02/01/2001 JUICE, GRAPE, SACRAMENTAL |
| 12:22.50 | starseeker | LOL |
| 12:29.45 | louipc | HAHHA |
| 12:36.20 | Yoshi47 | starseeker, whats that web page for? |
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| 12:43.44 | ``Erik | heh |
| 12:44.27 | ``Erik | looks like item #'s and descriptions for military shipping&supply logistics crud |
| 12:51.32 | Yoshi47 | yeah, i was hoping for g DB of the parts! lol |
| 12:59.52 | ``Erik | grouses at gtk+ |
| 13:05.02 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, whys that |
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| 13:10.57 | Yoshi47 | well i think its time for this question, how does one go about creating a screw? i there a nice tutorial available? |
| 13:12.31 | louipc | there are some programs that do it |
| 13:13.44 | louipc | heh bolt... |
| 13:14.17 | Yoshi47 | but brl not capable directly? at least no iuntil NURBS done... |
| 13:15.24 | louipc | I think bolt is broken... it froze on me |
| 13:15.49 | louipc | Yoshi47: you mean via mged? |
| 13:15.58 | Yoshi47 | ya |
| 13:16.00 | Yoshi47 | sorry |
| 13:17.02 | louipc | I would assume it's possible if the program could do it |
| 13:18.18 | ``Erik | Yoshi47: dialog box return code isn't being set, and I'm not sure why |
| 13:19.00 | Yoshi47 | umm |
| 13:20.36 | ``Erik | (isst uses gtk+ at the moment) |
| 13:21.00 | louipc | hrm bolt is tremendously broken for me :/ |
| 13:21.05 | Yoshi47 | wouldn't know what isst is? |
| 13:21.56 | ``Erik | side project that mostly lives in brlcad (as libtie/adrt) with a gui component outside of the main tree... interactive ray tracing, um, the picture of the stryker in our gallery was done using it |
| 13:24.33 | louipc | Yoshi47: anyways... the ronja guy made some. I'm not sure how he did them |
| 13:24.36 | louipc | http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/hardware.php |
| 13:24.43 | louipc | you may want to ask him |
| 13:25.43 | ``Erik | lookhis .g file is on that page |
| 13:27.09 | louipc | doesn't say much about the method though :/ |
| 13:27.19 | ``Erik | ehhhhh, buttloads of tgc's |
| 13:30.09 | Yoshi47 | louipc, or i just download the master.g and then analyze |
| 13:34.11 | Yoshi47 | i see how he did it, man thats alot to figure out. |
| 13:35.30 | ``Erik | how accurate do ya want your bolts? :D |
| 13:37.29 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, i don't think they have to be that accurate allthough it would be nice, just a question. talking to my peer here and he say that in PRo/e they just create on thread and then revolve it around an axis. |
| 13:37.42 | Yoshi47 | is there revolve command? |
| 13:37.44 | starseeker | did a threading test with pipe once actually - that worked pretty well |
| 13:37.47 | ``Erik | yeah, we had a summer student working on that, it's not done |
| 13:38.12 | Yoshi47 | i thought there was, umm |
| 13:38.19 | Yoshi47 | have to think this one through... |
| 13:38.32 | ``Erik | would probably make a little script with some kinda tor or ell assembly to make a bolt *shrug* |
| 13:38.42 | Yoshi47 | maybe have to use hex since most of my bolts will be metric |
| 13:39.08 | louipc | yeah properly shaped threads would be mint |
| 13:39.14 | ``Erik | (depending on scale, I might just call 2 rcc's a bolt and move on) |
| 13:39.15 | d-lo | Cyl + Starseekers Spring command for the threads + 2 arb8's. BAM! Bolt. |
| 13:39.28 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, ya might just have to for now, |
| 13:39.39 | ``Erik | or an rcc and 2 arb8's |
| 13:39.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35726 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: Er, oops - better refer to the actual surface index, not the count... |
| 13:39.47 | ``Erik | depending on the head :) |
| 13:40.02 | d-lo | either way... simple :) |
| 13:40.05 | Yoshi47 | some are flat head with hex drive |
| 13:40.23 | d-lo | probably spent more time on the irc channel than it would have taken to whip up a bolt :) |
| 13:40.36 | Yoshi47 | not if you don't know how to do it |
| 13:40.59 | ``Erik | ya know how to make rcc's and arb8's, right? :D (gotta choose your fidelity) |
| 13:41.18 | Yoshi47 | wheres this spring command? |
| 13:41.22 | Yoshi47 | ya |
| 13:41.50 | ``Erik | (also; you can make the bolt 'ghetto', then come back to it later when ya know more or have time to commit to it) |
| 13:42.21 | d-lo | just make each arb8 into a trapezoid and then glue the long faces together to make the 6 sided bolt head. Glue in the rcc to the bottom and subtract whatever you need to out of the head (Allen, Flat, Philips, Star, etc) |
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| 13:42.59 | ``Erik | combinations refer to names, not instances, so you can have a bolt used in thousands of combinations, make your improved bolt, kill the old bolt and move the new one in place and it automatically appears everywhere |
| 13:43.11 | ``Erik | so, y'know, ain't no use sweating it just yet :D |
| 13:43.18 | Yoshi47 | true |
| 13:43.52 | Yoshi47 | but it is a good lesson, sinc ei also need to make a acme screw, or ball screw haven't decided yet |
| 13:44.55 | louipc | I don't think acme is possible |
| 13:45.25 | Yoshi47 | should be not any more complicated then a screw |
| 13:45.39 | Yoshi47 | maybe im mistaken |
| 13:45.57 | Yoshi47 | this spring comand that d-lo is taking about should be able to do that |
| 13:46.30 | Yoshi47 | which brings up the question that got lost, where is this spring command? |
| 13:47.37 | louipc | hmm not sure |
| 13:48.04 | louipc | I don't think you can define the shape of the spring though.. |
| 13:48.18 | louipc | well in terms of the spring wire itself |
| 13:49.18 | Yoshi47 | hmm |
| 13:51.42 | Yoshi47 | did the army use another cad program back in the 70s to draw screws? how did they do it? |
| 13:53.24 | louipc | oh right it's renamed to coil |
| 13:54.11 | louipc | heh they probably didn't |
| 13:54.25 | louipc | at least with brl-cad :P |
| 13:55.17 | Yoshi47 | umm |
| 13:57.11 | Yoshi47 | that renders nicely, no can we specify more options, time to look at the docs... |
| 14:04.35 | Yoshi47 | starseeker, you here? |
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| 14:22.01 | brlcad | hm, that is an interesting idea about storing the actual command history involved in manipulating an object |
| 14:22.25 | louipc | autocad does that actually |
| 14:22.37 | brlcad | arguably something that could be managed through libged, have to think about that some |
| 14:23.11 | louipc | unlimited undo :D |
| 14:26.25 | brlcad | revolve is finished enough for that use, ray-tracing certainly works -- but don't think tessellation was implemented yet (meaning you couldn't export it to stl) |
| 14:27.59 | brlcad | Yoshi47: in the 70's most everything was done by hand on paper |
| 14:28.23 | Yoshi47 | oh so basically the army just didn't do screws in brlcad |
| 14:28.40 | brlcad | louipc: not so much for undo purposes, but to be able to reconstruct or step through the construction history |
| 14:28.54 | brlcad | but yeah, you could then undo |
| 14:29.14 | brlcad | Yoshi47: brl-cad started circa 1979, first "release" in 1984 |
| 14:29.35 | brlcad | you're talking about very early days of computing and computer graphics |
| 14:29.45 | brlcad | there were no cad systems yet |
| 14:30.14 | Yoshi47 | ah miss read the gallery picutre of Mike Muuss |
| 14:30.17 | brlcad | the "computers" of the day had very limited input and display capabilities |
| 14:30.35 | Yoshi47 | so revolve is brl-cad command or mged |
| 14:31.18 | Yoshi47 | or not even released yet? |
| 14:32.12 | brlcad | one of the first uses for brl-cad was to visualize what eventually became the M1 tank, mike was basically challenged that it wasn't possible, he showed them in a couple days that it was |
| 14:32.34 | brlcad | that was actually the *first* time anyone had ever seen the entire vehicle "put together" |
| 14:32.48 | Yoshi47 | cool |
| 14:32.49 | brlcad | generals flew in from the pentagon to see it |
| 14:33.10 | brlcad | revolve is a primitive, like extrude |
| 14:33.24 | brlcad | takes a sketch |
| 14:33.36 | brlcad | and a rotation angle |
| 14:33.58 | Yoshi47 | any docs on it? or is that it? |
| 14:34.17 | brlcad | so you could fairly easily contour a threading in 2d, import as a sketch, then revolve that around just like in proe |
| 14:34.40 | Yoshi47 | cool |
| 14:34.48 | brlcad | depending on what you need it for, it's not going to be too useful to you if you need to export the model |
| 14:34.51 | Yoshi47 | i think i need to learn more about sketches |
| 14:35.01 | brlcad | because it can't be tessellated yet (turned into polygons) |
| 14:35.02 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, don't need to export |
| 14:36.00 | brlcad | this is the only docs really, dev docs http://brlcad.org/wiki/Revolve_Primitive |
| 14:37.59 | brlcad | best start is to probably create a sketch, then extrude it .. make sure you understand that process -- revolving then is not really any different than extruding |
| 14:38.26 | brlcad | creating/importing a scetch is the more painful part as that's a 2d centric modeling approach, which is not our forte |
| 14:38.33 | brlcad | and generally discouraged.. |
| 14:38.50 | brlcad | starseeker's coil tool is a better approach |
| 14:39.25 | brlcad | that will give you a whole range of threading types as a subtraction primitive |
| 14:39.58 | Yoshi47 | i need more docs on coil |
| 14:40.34 | brlcad | more docs? |
| 14:40.34 | brlcad | it has a manual page |
| 14:40.34 | Yoshi47 | umm i tried |
| 14:40.42 | Yoshi47 | didn't work, i'll try again |
| 14:40.46 | brlcad | and the developer for it sits in here, better than docs ;) |
| 14:40.56 | Yoshi47 | ya he not answering |
| 14:41.05 | brlcad | patience ;) |
| 14:41.10 | Yoshi47 | yep |
| 14:42.00 | Yoshi47 | so where is the best place to learn about sketches? |
| 14:48.32 | brlcad | like i said, that part is thin (in all respects) because it's not our way .. |
| 14:48.42 | brlcad | there are docs somewhere, but I don't really remember where |
| 14:49.13 | brlcad | just because that method isn't a priority/interest/concern, at all .. we mostly deal with sketch objects on import, like from a dxf |
| 14:49.21 | brlcad | there is a sketch editor |
| 14:49.39 | brlcad | if you create a sketch through the gui, and edit that sketch, you'll be in the sketch editor |
| 14:50.09 | brlcad | horrible interface, but it gives you basic edit controls for adding line segments, arcs, circles, whatever to your sketch |
| 14:50.55 | brlcad | there are docs that teach one how to do what the coil does manually in Vol III, advanced techniques |
| 14:51.17 | brlcad | there is a coil antenna there that teaches how to use the pipe primitive that is relevant |
| 14:51.59 | brlcad | the pipe primitive is pretty powerful in itself, another example of a semisteep learning curve but with a high(er) payoff compared to other cad systems |
| 14:53.31 | Yoshi47 | cool, i'll take a look at those today then, thanks |
| 14:55.58 | Yoshi47 | do you have a link to Vol III, advanced techniques |
| 14:56.02 | Yoshi47 | can't seem to find it |
| 15:06.56 | brlcad | vol II is the massive mged tutorial series |
| 15:07.04 | brlcad | vol III is at the same place |
| 15:07.21 | brlcad | should go down that list and familiarize, they're good docs ;) |
| 15:09.15 | Yoshi47 | oh its called Principles of Effective Modeling |
| 15:17.52 | brlcad | yeah, sorry, that's our internal name for it |
| 15:18.20 | brlcad | well, not "internal" .. it was the third "book" when we printed them :) |
| 15:20.19 | Yoshi47 | oh, |
| 15:32.12 | louipc | starseeker: is there a reason doc/book/VolumeIV.xml is separate from doc/docbook/books |
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| 16:26.26 | Yoshi47 | when you concat 2 dbs together if there is the same names in both, how does that work? |
| 16:32.40 | louipc | The man page says it will add computer generated prefixes |
| 16:33.14 | louipc | but won't rename members of combinations... |
| 16:37.53 | Yoshi47 | umm so then any combs will not work.. |
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| 17:54.17 | ``Erik | revolve works now? |
| 17:54.56 | ``Erik | *readreadread* |
| 17:58.13 | brlcad | yeah, it works |
| 17:58.24 | ``Erik | sans _tess |
| 17:58.55 | ``Erik | marching cubes is gonna shake things up a bit, methinks |
| 17:59.00 | brlcad | yeah, and maybe a few other callbacks that would be nice to have, but it is enough to read/write them from the db, basic plot, and raytracing works |
| 17:59.53 | brlcad | dbconcat has options |
| 18:02.10 | brlcad | looks like the manual page is a little out of date |
| 18:46.54 | ``Erik | oi |
| 18:52.09 | brlcad | vey |
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| 20:43.27 | ``Erik | I need a test mutant O.o |
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| 21:19.18 | ``Erik | aww, no one wants to be a guinnea pig? |
| 21:21.00 | louipc | what for? |
| 21:21.55 | ``Erik | isst, to see if it works on various other machines |
| 21:22.20 | louipc | sure |
| 21:23.00 | ``Erik | make sure your BRL-CAD is recent, then grab https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/isst/trunk and give it a while? :D |
| 21:23.44 | louipc | SVN rev 35355 ok? |
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| 21:24.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r35732 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/human.c: Various tweaks, and added comments |
| 21:24.57 | ``Erik | hm, cut won't work right |
| 21:25.29 | ``Erik | tho you can update, go into src/adrt and do "make install" there, should work without having to rebuild ALL of BRL-CAD |
| 21:30.51 | louipc | hmm |
| 21:32.07 | louipc | I don't have a build or anything but I do have headers installed |
| 21:32.56 | louipc | selective building doesn't seem to work. |
| 21:32.58 | ``Erik | it should compile and run, it's just the "cut" render method won't be right |
| 21:33.02 | louipc | libtool: link: cannot find the library `../../src/libbu/libbu.la' or unhandled argument `../../src/libbu/libbu.la' |
| 21:33.19 | louipc | that's when making adrt |
| 21:33.23 | ``Erik | oh, heh, I assumed you still had build stuff |
| 21:33.37 | ``Erik | you can do "make depends install-depends" in adrt and it should "do the right thing" |
| 21:34.04 | louipc | yar! |
| 21:35.32 | louipc | I guess I should leave it around |
| 21:35.52 | louipc | it will cut down on build time :D |
| 21:36.08 | ``Erik | *shrug* if you're not doing development with it or don't want on the bleeding edge, it's not terribly important :) |
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| 21:50.07 | ``Erik | headin' home, bbi1h O.o |
| 22:36.56 | ``Erik | home at last |
| 22:37.16 | louipc | having trouble pointing to the headers heh |
| 22:37.21 | louipc | http://louipc.mine.nu/brlcad/isst-build.log |
| 22:37.26 | louipc | welcome back :D |
| 22:39.59 | ``Erik | you don't have /usr/brlcad/include/brlcad ? |
| 22:40.15 | louipc | no, it's in opt instead |
| 22:41.00 | ``Erik | ah, try ./configure CPPFLAGS="-I/opt/brlcad/include -I/opt/brlcad/include/brlcad" LDFLAGS=-L/opt/brlcad/lib |
| 22:43.54 | louipc | do I still need --with-adrt then? |
| 22:44.15 | ``Erik | hrm? |
| 22:44.56 | ``Erik | possibly, I need to redo that bit of the configure file |
| 22:45.17 | louipc | hmm seems to work |
| 22:45.41 | louipc | /home/louipc/devel/isst/src/gui.c:813: undefined reference to `strnstr' |
| 22:45.49 | louipc | not in Linux? |
| 22:46.39 | ``Erik | strange, doesn't come up when you man it? (it's just a bound limited version of strstr(3)) |
| 22:46.54 | louipc | nope |
| 22:47.01 | louipc | strstr is available |
| 22:47.08 | louipc | and strcasestr |
| 22:47.10 | ``Erik | it's ISO C90 O.o |
| 22:47.14 | louipc | o.O |
| 22:47.26 | ``Erik | erm, mebbe they just globbed extra crap into this manpage |
| 22:47.42 | louipc | dunno, but it's not in gnu |
| 22:48.12 | louipc | well on my system... hah |
| 22:48.13 | ``Erik | hm, guess not, seeing bug reports of linux being the odd one out for that function |
| 22:48.24 | louipc | kewl |
| 22:54.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35733 10/isst/trunk/ (configure.ac src/gui.c): cope with missing strnstr (linux lacks it) |
| 22:55.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35734 10/isst/trunk/ (Makefile.am TODO): add a TODO list |
| 22:56.04 | louipc | hmm why not use strstr throughout? |
| 22:56.37 | ``Erik | buffer overflow vulnerability |
| 23:03.53 | starseeker | woo hoo! |
| 23:03.56 | starseeker | has house |
| 23:04.02 | louipc | whoa I got a big window |
| 23:04.11 | louipc | starseeker: nice congrats |
| 23:04.15 | ``Erik | w00t, grats, starseeker |
| 23:04.21 | starseeker | thanks :-) |
| 23:04.39 | ``Erik | louipc: try opening '/path/to/ktank.g' with the region 'tank' |
| 23:05.31 | louipc | sweet |
| 23:06.04 | ``Erik | left click zooms in and out, middle click pans, right click rotates |
| 23:08.01 | louipc | hmm doesn't perform too well |
| 23:08.17 | louipc | kicks up cpu usage 100% if I do anything |
| 23:08.22 | ``Erik | yes |
| 23:08.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35735 10/isst/trunk/ (TODO configure.ac src/Makefile.am): Cope with BRL-CAD being installed somewhere other than /usr/brlcad via a --with-brlcad=/path/to/brlcad flag. |
| 23:08.25 | ``Erik | what kinda framerate? |
| 23:08.29 | ``Erik | and what kinda mcahine? |
| 23:08.45 | ``Erik | (every update to the display is a raytraced scene...) |
| 23:08.47 | louipc | PIII 866MHz |
| 23:09.09 | louipc | how do I see the framerate? |
| 23:09.14 | ``Erik | ahhh, yeah, not too many ponies to push it :) |
| 23:09.14 | louipc | oh I see |
| 23:09.18 | ``Erik | should be printing to console |
| 23:10.15 | louipc | .4 FPS? lol |
| 23:10.21 | ``Erik | heh, not bad at all |
| 23:10.37 | ``Erik | compare it to the time rt takes to render :D |
| 23:10.37 | louipc | that sounds horrible |
| 23:10.46 | ``Erik | (that's zomfg raytraced, not opengl or anything) |
| 23:10.51 | louipc | ok sure |
| 23:10.57 | louipc | oh no hardware accel eh? |
| 23:11.00 | ``Erik | right |
| 23:12.25 | louipc | ooh got up to .59 FPS |
| 23:13.26 | louipc | ls |
| 23:13.29 | louipc | erp |
| 23:13.58 | ``Erik | (that model is actually one of the worst performing ones due to huge flat surfaces, the KD-tree doesn't build nice... but it converts very fast) |
| 23:15.02 | louipc | oh it converts to BOTS |
| 23:15.28 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 23:15.30 | louipc | why would large flat surfaces be bad for that? o.O |
| 23:15.49 | louipc | two triangles could make a football field :P |
| 23:15.50 | ``Erik | can't subdivide the scene very efficiently, and triangles get dup'd a lot |
| 23:16.09 | ``Erik | um, if you turn on the 'depth' render mode, it paints a visualization of the kd tree |
| 23:17.56 | louipc | wait a sec. what's this mention of mysql? hahah |
| 23:18.24 | ``Erik | um, that's been removed |
| 23:18.50 | ``Erik | it used to require specially prepared geometry that was saved in a MySQL database, now it load .g straight |
| 23:19.28 | louipc | ah cool |
| 23:19.43 | louipc | was it faster or something? |
| 23:24.02 | ``Erik | hrm? whihc, the mysql approach? it allowed a centralized place to load geometry, and the conversion results were saved |
| 23:24.58 | louipc | ah. I guess if that geometry server gets going, it'll solve that problem |
| 23:24.58 | ``Erik | when I make it networked again, it'll transmit geometry from the client (so the compute nodes don't need any special access), and I plan on having a fast path through .g files that are set up right (each region contains exactly 1 bot/nmg) |
| 23:25.08 | ``Erik | or use the geometry server if that comes soon 'nuff :D |
| 23:25.14 | louipc | nice |
| 23:26.45 | ``Erik | aight, cool, it runs on linux now (and someone out in the 'real world' has run it, w00t) |
| 23:26.55 | louipc | highfive |
| 23:27.58 | louipc | what happened to Maleoran? didn't he have a real-time raytracer? |
| 23:28.10 | louipc | oh yeah he was running it on an 8-core machine though |
| 23:29.36 | ``Erik | yeah, this one runs multi-million triangle models at ~30fps on my 8 core mac |
| 23:29.59 | louipc | :O |
| 23:30.02 | ``Erik | what you just ran was the impetus that got mal started on writing one |
| 23:30.10 | louipc | oh haha |
| 23:30.45 | ``Erik | runs at about 5 on my laptop |
| 23:32.11 | brlcad | congratulations starseeker |
| 23:32.31 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks :-) |
| 23:33.13 | starseeker | eyes huge swath of mowed grass and appreciates why brlcad picked the location he did... |
| 23:33.27 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:33.45 | ``Erik | pays $45/qtr for lawn service :) |
| 23:34.01 | louipc | when's the first bbq, hot tub, house party? |
| 23:34.31 | starseeker | heh - probably right after we remodel the whole thing |
| 23:35.08 | louipc | wowz |
| 23:36.17 | starseeker | It's kinda a 70's palace AM |
| 23:36.18 | ``Erik | didja buy the 70's one? |
| 23:36.20 | ``Erik | hah |
| 23:36.23 | starseeker | a the moment |
| 23:36.26 | starseeker | yep |
| 23:36.29 | starseeker | can't type |
| 23:36.38 | ``Erik | just up the road from me, heh O.o |
| 23:36.39 | louipc | shag carpetting? |
| 23:36.51 | louipc | or is that 60s? |
| 23:37.34 | starseeker | not quite that bad |
| 23:37.37 | starseeker | mirror wall though |
| 23:37.41 | louipc | duuude |
| 23:41.26 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, that's at least three of us out that way now |
| 23:42.37 | ``Erik | well, bob, daytona, eric e, ... |
| 23:48.03 | brlcad | also the same reason I didn't pick the huge 3 acre lotted house.. would have spent every weekend working on that enormous yard and the gardening |
| 23:51.30 | starseeker | will probably regret it, but it does look nice |
| 23:52.00 | starseeker | must remember to beware of ceramic cat bird feeders |
| 23:55.18 | brlcad | it's also kinda related to your existing -above/-below options |
| 23:55.32 | brlcad | (thinking out loud) |
| 23:56.20 | starseeker | yeah, or maybe -path |
| 23:56.45 | brlcad | search . -type region -above -op sub |
| 23:57.12 | brlcad | it's not even necessarily the immediate parent |
| 23:57.22 | brlcad | it's if any of the parents are negative, it's a negative region |
| 23:57.28 | starseeker | that's true |
| 23:57.32 | starseeker | good point |
| 23:57.40 | starseeker | that actually solves a problem I hadn't thought of yet |
| 23:57.53 | brlcad | the harder one is intersection to as that can be negative or positive |
| 23:58.02 | brlcad | and there's no way to tell really |
| 23:58.32 | brlcad | fortunately, they're just rarely used, but we should figure something out to be consistent |
| 23:58.41 | starseeker | Yeah - it could look above for an intersect op and report it, but how to interpret it would be a problem |
| 23:59.15 | brlcad | like based on whether the bounding volumes overlap, or assume if there's an intersection operator, that the intent was that they at least intersect (in which case it's a positive region and a modeling error) |
| 23:59.31 | starseeker | yeah, I was thinking the latter |
| 00:00.12 | starseeker | unless I'm missing something, the intent of an intersect is to have SOME solid volume result |
| 00:00.18 | brlcad | well, with our present solid modeling system, yes :) |
| 00:00.21 | brlcad | in a pure one, no |
| 00:00.41 | starseeker | uh oh :-) |
| 00:01.11 | brlcad | because you could do somet complex combinations to do things like intersect to get a null set, invert that set to get an infinite set, use that to match otehr object, etc |
| 00:01.37 | brlcad | rather, in a CSG system, yes; in a pure boolean system, no |
| 00:02.27 | starseeker | votes we assume a CSG system :-P |
| 00:03.58 | brlcad | you say that now :) |
| 00:04.31 | starseeker | oh dear |
| 00:04.36 | brlcad | with your background and math tendancies, pure boolean will appeal to you -- it's just a slight superset |
| 00:04.48 | brlcad | i mean we actually have/use all the components |
| 00:04.53 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 00:05.08 | brlcad | it more just how you deal with things like infinite spaces (which we deal with partially via halfspaces) |
| 00:05.16 | brlcad | and null objects |
| 00:05.26 | starseeker | well, from the standpoint of search, the -op operator would just look for and report the existence of the op, yes? |
| 00:05.47 | starseeker | brlcad: erg, halfspaces. everytime I think of those I think of nirt + half |
| 00:06.09 | brlcad | that wasn't an exact example .. how you search for an operator usefully is an interesting thought |
| 00:06.26 | brlcad | knowing "there exists" isn't very useful by itself |
| 00:06.48 | brlcad | right, and nirt should report hitpoint -> infinity ideally |
| 00:07.18 | starseeker | ah |
| 00:07.40 | starseeker | thinks Ed will have fun with the concept of a hit at infinity :-) |
| 00:08.22 | starseeker | brlcad: so we need a combination of -op and -above with a "level above" operator |
| 00:08.44 | brlcad | we go through contortions now when modeling because we don't readily expose the one operator that makes pure boolean possible |
| 00:08.49 | starseeker | search -type region -above=1 -op=sub |
| 00:10.28 | brlcad | search . -type region -above \( -maxdepth=1 -op=sub \) |
| 00:10.28 | starseeker | that's an expansion on the power of above (and I suppose the below) ideas to allow specific relative depth matching |
| 00:11.02 | starseeker | yes, that might do |
| 00:11.13 | brlcad | can think of the obve option as a sub-search |
| 00:11.21 | brlcad | above/below |
| 00:11.52 | brlcad | with above being a reverse traversal of a "tree" that is just the parent to parent traversal |
| 00:12.17 | brlcad | so you can specify the same halting and depth params as boigoing down |
| 00:12.27 | starseeker | I think that's a conceptual change to above, but it does make sense |
| 00:13.01 | starseeker | actually, no it isn't |
| 00:13.16 | brlcad | it'll still behave the same as it does now |
| 00:13.24 | starseeker | right |
| 00:13.40 | starseeker | I see it |
| 00:13.45 | starseeker | nifty |
| 00:13.49 | brlcad | just have to make sure it respects the expression |
| 00:14.00 | starseeker | yeah, that's the trick |
| 00:14.21 | brlcad | is happier we're not breaking form |
| 00:14.37 | starseeker | might need -above=\( -max-depth=1 -op sub \) or some such |
| 00:14.52 | brlcad | hm, why's that? |
| 00:15.22 | starseeker | Oh, no wait you're right |
| 00:15.31 | starseeker | was forgetting above always takes an expression as an argument |
| 00:15.32 | starseeker | duh |
| 00:15.39 | starseeker | been too long since I played with search |
| 00:16.40 | starseeker | doesn't think he's ever tried --max-depth inside an -above or -below, wonder if it works |
| 00:18.32 | brlcad | doubts it :) |
| 00:19.15 | brlcad | because I think above/below are constructs you added.. you would have to maually make them respect the depth limiters in the rule set I'd imagine |
| 00:19.21 | starseeker | would require "rerooting" the depth count... hmm... |
| 00:19.49 | starseeker | I suppose in that sense above and below already break with classic find? |
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| 00:30.20 | brlcad | -above sorta, but if it behaves like a pure reverse traversal, it's not so bad |
| 00:30.32 | brlcad | as then both above/below are just sub-finds |
| 00:31.42 | brlcad | -below is equivalent to: find . -type region -exec find {} -type comb -maxdepth=5 \; |
| 00:35.31 | brlcad | above could be achieved similarly with some sort of -uses option where it traverses a different hierarchy, the result of walking dbfind recursively |
| 00:35.55 | brlcad | the hard one is -op .. not sure that's as simple as we made it seem |
| 00:36.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0324.151.165.78 07http://brlcad.org * r1612 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_joint: /* See Also */ |
| 00:38.58 | brlcad | o.O |
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| 01:20.02 | ``Erik | "c'mon, bender, you can push harder than that!" "no crap, my mom was a bulldozer!" heh |
| 01:23.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35736 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): This should 'libgedify' the search command, and get it outputing its results to a Tcl string |
| 01:24.22 | starseeker | seems to be faster for some reason - maybe it's just me... |
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| 01:44.40 | ``Erik | "prepare to launch universe to universe missile!" |
| 01:49.08 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh, what's that, the Futurama movie? |
| 02:02.46 | ``Erik | yeah, ti's on comedy central |
| 02:26.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35737 10/brlcad/trunk/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Add search command to Archer |
| 02:26.14 | starseeker | yes! |
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| 17:58.21 | starseeker | Holy Cow. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17699-microscopes-zoom-in-on-molecules-at-last.html |
| 17:58.49 | starseeker | that's the kind of photo I can see framing and sticking on a wall |
| 18:17.24 | brlcad | now if it was just in focus! |
| 18:17.27 | brlcad | that is pretty awesome |
| 18:19.01 | ``Erik | grouses at c++ some more |
| 18:21.24 | ``Erik | ld: Undefined symbols: |
| 18:21.24 | ``Erik | __Unwind_Resume |
| 18:22.56 | ``Erik | src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: In function `void rt_nmg_brep(ON_Brep**, const rt_db_internal*, const bn_tol*)': |
| 18:22.59 | ``Erik | src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp:263: error: ISO C++ says that these are ambiguous, even though the worst conversion for the first is better than the worst conversion for the second: |
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| 18:36.31 | starseeker | ``Erik: sorry! |
| 18:37.21 | ``Erik | (only seeing the librt one on linux machines, the unwind_resume issue is only on osX.4 it'd seem) |
| 18:37.32 | ``Erik | fbsd compiles it all ok heh |
| 18:42.43 | ``Erik | hm, unwind resume issue is from trying to linke with --tag=CC gcc instead of --tag=CXX g++ to cope with the c++ bits |
| 18:43.50 | brlcad | it's missing FEXCEPTIONS |
| 18:43.55 | brlcad | configure already deals with that |
| 18:44.20 | ``Erik | apparently not very well :D (g++ or -fexceptions, yes) |
| 18:44.52 | brlcad | configure deals with it just fine, the define isn't being used |
| 18:45.00 | brlcad | either due to staleness or it's just missing from the cflags |
| 18:45.32 | ``Erik | hm, this was a fresh purge and autogen.sh, so I don't think staleness |
| 18:47.54 | brlcad | librt_nil_CFLAGS has FEXCEPTIONS and there are a half dozen other _brep.cpp files being compiled |
| 18:48.22 | ``Erik | (there're two different and seperate issues I pasted) |
| 18:49.24 | ``Erik | seeing the g++/fexception one all over the place on my mac, the nmg_brep one was just that one file and just on amd64 rhel |
| 18:55.31 | brlcad | is the compile line actually using -Wc,-fexceptions ? |
| 18:55.43 | brlcad | or -fexceptions directly if expanded |
| 18:57.56 | brlcad | the nmg_brep error is less interesting, easier to fix :) |
| 18:57.58 | ``Erik | did another purge and rebuilding now... |
| 18:58.45 | brlcad | purge with manual killage of the .deps? |
| 19:03.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35739 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 19:03.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: break out half mirroring next, though not convinced the existing logic is |
| 19:03.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: actually correct. needs testing of course, but for now it's just the previous |
| 19:03.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: logic as it was in mirror.c as there are several dozen others to break out |
| 19:03.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: still. |
| 19:08.09 | ``Erik | adds LDFLAGS |
| 19:11.02 | brlcad | which binary is it actually compiling that gives the error? brep_test? |
| 19:11.07 | brlcad | comb? |
| 19:14.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35740 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (5 files in 5 dirs): add FEXCEPTIONS to makefiles that seem to need it. |
| 19:14.49 | brlcad | see, that's not right |
| 19:14.57 | brlcad | that sounds like there's something exposed in a header that shouldn't be |
| 19:15.24 | brlcad | which is a bigger problem |
| 19:15.29 | ``Erik | probably, was kinda my initial guess, but *shrug* I'm tired and my brain is already on weekend |
| 19:15.51 | brlcad | aw, cmon, you're the one that can actually test it |
| 19:16.04 | brlcad | i don't get the error here |
| 19:16.37 | ``Erik | hm |
| 19:16.51 | ``Erik | brep.h includes opennurbs_ext.h which has throws clauses in i t |
| 19:17.48 | brlcad | that's only with __cplusplus, so it shouldn't find its way in during c-compilation |
| 19:18.03 | ``Erik | his is a link error, though, not a compilation error |
| 19:18.04 | brlcad | supposed to get a dummy strut |
| 19:18.32 | brlcad | it only manifest during link that you missed -fexceptions during compile |
| 19:20.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35741 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: Add some different debugging to nmg_brep, try some tweaks. |
| 19:20.35 | ``Erik | wonders if this box got another botched upgrade from radmind, as it's the only one that exhibits |
| 19:21.22 | brlcad | i doubt it, that exceptions error is very specific |
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| 19:21.50 | brlcad | more likely someone(tm) exposed some c++ logic somewhere via header inclusion that is causing it |
| 19:22.02 | ``Erik | all those libs gave me errors for unwind_resume missing |
| 19:22.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35742 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brep.h: ws |
| 19:22.23 | brlcad | maybe having the _brep.cpp files enabled, I think that was relatively recent |
| 19:22.40 | ``Erik | librt compiles with the -f flag, though |
| 19:22.49 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 19:22.50 | brlcad | can you nm/grep the lib to see the symbols that have it? |
| 19:23.13 | brlcad | to see if it's just all of them (i.e. header problem) or just a specific file? |
| 19:23.28 | ``Erik | all the brep ones |
| 19:23.36 | brlcad | so linking the *lib* gives the error or some bin in that same dir? |
| 19:23.59 | ``Erik | the lib |
| 19:24.21 | ``Erik | librt links fine, libs that USE librt fail, like libged, liboptical, ... |
| 19:24.49 | brlcad | that's gotta be cascade unresolved lookup failure trying to resolve the lib, yeah, that's odd |
| 19:25.07 | brlcad | librt.so have unwindresume unresolved in it? |
| 19:25.10 | ``Erik | src/librt$ grep Unwind *.o | cut -d \ -f 3 | xargs |
| 19:25.10 | ``Erik | arb8_brep.o brep.o brep_debug.o eto_brep.o nmg_brep.o opennurbs_ext.o sph_brep.o tor_brep.o |
| 19:25.23 | brlcad | aha |
| 19:25.31 | brlcad | i bet i know what it is.. |
| 19:25.33 | ``Erik | yes |
| 19:25.37 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.59 | brlcad | er, maybe not |
| 19:27.02 | brlcad | ah, yes |
| 19:27.28 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.28 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.28 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.28 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.35 | ``Erik | right at the beginning of the opennurbs stuff |
| 19:28.30 | brlcad | can you show the actual compile line for one of the _brep.cpp files? |
| 19:28.38 | brlcad | strip out the --silents |
| 19:28.52 | brlcad | rm arb8_brep.lo or something |
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| 19:29.57 | brlcad | or more simple I guess, grep CXXFLAGS src/librt/Makefile |
| 19:30.12 | Yoshi47 | Hellloooo, whats going on today |
| 19:30.13 | brlcad | er maybe "CXXFLAGS =" |
| 19:30.24 | brlcad | hello Yoshi47 |
| 19:30.29 | brlcad | coding day |
| 19:30.34 | ``Erik | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d53a90b2 |
| 19:30.46 | Yoshi47 | umm fun, i just finished putting in my patio, and spreading shit on my lawn |
| 19:31.32 | ``Erik | CXXFLAGS = -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -O3 |
| 19:31.51 | brlcad | yeah, huh, well blew that theory |
| 19:34.40 | ``Erik | hrm, your desktop isn't up (stupid power outages) |
| 19:37.55 | brlcad | looks like some progress, though -- I do see unresolved _Unwind_Resumes in my .o files here |
| 19:38.06 | brlcad | 7 of them |
| 19:38.42 | ``Erik | librt links fine with those missing definitions, but the 5 or so I committed changes to fail due to unresolved symbol |
| 19:38.46 | brlcad | oddly, opennurbs_ext isn't new |
| 19:39.04 | starseeker | am I breaking stuff with the *_brep.cpp files? |
| 19:39.11 | starseeker | can disable them in the tree if need be |
| 19:39.35 | ``Erik | (that it works peachy keen on linux and fbsd is the confounding part) |
| 19:40.25 | brlcad | 10.6 ? |
| 19:41.21 | ``Erik | ? |
| 19:41.51 | brlcad | er, 10.5 or 10.4? |
| 19:42.09 | ``Erik | the issue ison .4, I tried compiling on .5 and didn't see any issue |
| 19:42.22 | ``Erik | copying src to starseekers machine to see if it breaks there |
| 19:42.25 | brlcad | huh, even more reason I should be seeing it here |
| 20:37.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35743 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: OK, the 2d curve generation in UV space is disconnected from the 3d edges in some form. The general case needs pullback from 3d into 2d space but in theory the planar case should be simpler - just need to figure it out. |
| 20:37.25 | ``Erik | hm, seeing it on starseekers machine, too O.o lemme try an autogen.sh on another box |
| 20:53.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35744 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): split out grip object mirroring. seems to have a similar issue computing an angle, but just leave it as is with a note. |
| 20:54.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35745 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: whoops, no duplicate vertices please |
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| 22:29.58 | ``Erik | ho hum |
| 22:36.14 | ``Erik | snickers at ralith |
| 22:39.32 | Ralith | thwaps ``Erik |
| 22:43.43 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 22:44.10 | ``Erik | quit trying to treat lisp like C :D the compiler does some skeery awesome stuff |
| 22:45.34 | ``Erik | (also; clos is chock full of awesomeness) |
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| 23:41.09 | Ralith | ``Erik: just tryin' to port C faithfully. |
| 23:41.37 | Ralith | EQUALP seems to do the job nicely and lispily, anyway. |
| 23:45.25 | starseeker | Ralith, ``Erik: do I want to know? |
| 23:45.47 | starseeker | suspects ``Erik is training Ralith in the ways of True Power |
| 23:46.10 | Ralith | actually ended up there before ``Erik, iirc >_> |
| 23:51.38 | ``Erik | no, ralith was getting strusfrated in #lisp |
| 23:52.00 | Ralith | not frustrated so much as zerged by extremely helpful people who were consistently misunderstanding what I wanted to do :P |
| 23:52.00 | ``Erik | and I was snickering cuz he was trying to pose a question from a C frame of mind and they were all ... not... quit... getting it |
| 23:52.18 | Ralith | which is admittedly among the more frustrating things one might encounter on the internet |
| 23:52.34 | ``Erik | I know, those damn snobby elitist lisp people |
| 23:52.38 | Ralith | hehe |
| 23:52.48 | Ralith | is surprised more lispers aren't familiar with C |
| 23:53.08 | ``Erik | most probably are somewhat, but ya really tend to shift gears |
| 23:54.05 | ``Erik | has bounced between the two quite often over the last decade, is used to shifting gears like that :) |
| 23:54.19 | ``Erik | (though scheme from '00-07, not CL) |
| 23:57.16 | ``Erik | still waiting for a BRL-CAD CFFI though |
| 00:02.47 | Ralith | waiting for? I expect we're the only two lispy BRL-CADers :P |
| 00:05.10 | ``Erik | nope |
| 00:05.29 | ``Erik | starseeker is a big common lisp nut, brlcad has put some time down in both cl and emacs lisp I believe |
| 00:06.24 | ``Erik | phinode has jabbered about doing some stuff in lisp at one point |
| 00:06.24 | ``Erik | or, uh, whatever lbutler was calling himself |
| 00:27.01 | Yoshi47 | so any new cool parts made up lately |
| 00:44.38 | Ralith | oh wow |
| 00:44.55 | Ralith | interesting that there's so much lisp experience here then |
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| 13:29.57 | starseeker | hrm make[2]: *** No rule to make target `primitives/grip/grip_mirror.c', needed by `grip_mirror.lo'. Stop. |
| 13:31.30 | ``Erik | saw that yesterday |
| 13:31.39 | ``Erik | someone forgot to svn add after breaking a file out |
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| 16:17.10 | ``Erik | hmmmm |
| 16:17.28 | ``Erik | http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki |
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| 17:41.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35747 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/ (Makefile.am obj-g.c): beginnings of obj-g |
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| 19:30.14 | ``Erik | thinks the parsing on that obj reader is correct for 'triangle' obj's without normals, but lacks normals, quad read, and writing the bot_internal to the db :/ ran out of steam |
| 19:30.54 | ``Erik | (if anyone wants to try glueing the writer together, feel free) |
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| 23:17.14 | starseeker | plays with qcad |
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| 02:54.33 | brlcad | oof, that's pushing a 7.16 |
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| 16:20.20 | ``Erik | "why don't you want to have a child?" "didn't I try to adopt that eighteen year old korean girl?" heh, good old naked gun :) |
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| 18:14.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35748 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out poly mirroring |
| 18:31.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35749 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out old bspline/nurb mirror into it's own function. |
| 18:34.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35750 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out arbn mirroring. |
| 18:35.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35751 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: remove the old arbn section |
| 18:38.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35752 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out pipe mirroring |
| 18:43.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35753 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out particle mirroring. |
| 18:47.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35754 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): split out rpc mirroring |
| 18:50.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35755 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): break out rhc mirroring |
| 18:52.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35756 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: keep me honest, hook up the new rhc mirroring, fix callback type |
| 18:55.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35757 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): woot, break out the epa mirroring. just 10 more to go... |
| 18:59.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35758 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out eto mirroring next |
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| 19:03.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35759 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/librt/librt.vcproj: sync the new _brep.cpp files to the windows build |
| 19:06.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35760 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out ze hyp mir |
| 19:45.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35761 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 19:45.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: separate out nmg mirroring from rt_mirror(). slightly more complicated as it |
| 19:45.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: wants a tolerance for nmg_rebound() .. which is counterintuitive. shouldn't |
| 19:45.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: need a tolerance to mirror. just use a default tolerance to keep the signature |
| 19:45.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: pure. |
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| 19:50.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35762 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 19:50.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: need to consolidate and clean up default tolerance management. default |
| 19:50.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: hardcoded tolerance is 0.0005 in most places, but at least a couple are |
| 19:50.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: incorrectly 0.005 instead and there shouldn't be magic numbers thrown about |
| 19:50.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: regardless. an init macro would help. |
| 19:51.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35763 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_mirror.c: make the hardcoded tolerance const. |
| 19:54.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35764 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out ars mirroring. |
| 19:56.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35765 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out ebm mirroring. |
| 19:58.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35766 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: just noticed we're missing at least ehy, maybe others from here. |
| 19:59.26 | yukonbob | work it brlcad!! |
| 20:01.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35767 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out displacement map mirroring... |
| 20:05.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35768 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/viewedge.c: for consistency, make md work for max_dist too. |
| 20:12.58 | Ralith | woah |
| 20:13.06 | Ralith | having fun there brlcad? |
| 20:15.49 | ``Erik | at this rate, I'm gonna have a hell of a mess to clean up (and/or bitch about) on tuesday O.o :D *duck* |
| 20:17.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35769 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS TODO doc/docbook/system/man1/en/rtedge.xml): |
| 20:17.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: document the new antialias/aa and both_sides/bs options to rtarea. while |
| 20:17.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: antialias is still a WIP and experimental, the basic framework is in place and |
| 20:17.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the two options play well together. need to make the framework more |
| 20:17.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: generalized, though, so better filter processing can occur. also fix the manual |
| 20:18.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: page for rtedge which looked to be missing the end quotes for all options. |
| 20:24.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35770 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/viewedge.c: add a couple todo notes about the aa implementation needing more work, about the horrible book-keeping inefficiency, and a desire to use intensity-based canny or shen-castan style edge detection. |
| 20:28.40 | louipc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDBsSht1_VA |
| 20:29.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35771 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/dspline.c: ws cleanup. looks like this is only used by the fire shader.. but is an interesting set of routines regardless for catmull spline interpolation. |
| 20:31.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35772 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): break out vol from the mirroring foray. .. not much left! |
| 20:35.28 | yukonbob | louipc: very cool |
| 20:35.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35773 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): stay on target, stay on target. break out superellipsoid mirroring into it's own thing too. |
| 20:48.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35774 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): even separate out combination mirroring. alas, combs funcs are not as neatly consolidated (yet), but add it anyways until functab restructuring is further along. |
| 20:50.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35775 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: add m4 to aclocal shtuff, mebbe it even works on automake 1.6 |
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| 20:53.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35776 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): all done with the last object mirror remapping and deserving a cookie. broke out bot mirroring. |
| 20:55.02 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 20:58.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35777 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: |
| 20:58.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: now that all objects are refactored out, clean up. remove the transformation |
| 20:58.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: matrix composition and debug printing. document the plethora of objects missing |
| 20:58.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: a mirror implementation: brep, cline, ehy, extrude, hf, metaball, pnts, rec, |
| 20:58.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: revolve, sketch, submodel |
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| 22:58.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35779 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 22:58.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: document erik's addition of a new obj-g geometry importer. that change along |
| 22:58.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: with the slew of others that have happened definitely push this release out of |
| 22:58.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the 7.14 line. going to try to tag a release today as soon as I can verify all |
| 22:58.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: changes are documented. |
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| 23:26.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: if LIBGL is '' and we happen to be on a system that will conviently link opengl |
| 23:26.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: when the user provides LIBS=-lGL, this test will incorrectly succeed for the |
| 23:26.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: WindowsGL interface. Add a wgl-specific call that should hopefully work fine, |
| 23:26.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: namely calling wglMakeCurrent() with NULL parameters. needs testing on windows, |
| 23:26.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: obviously. |
| 00:42.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35781 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/binary_obj.c: per the problem encountered by Alex Vlasse, make sure the database directory is initialized when someone calls rt_mk_binunif() otherwise it will always result in failure due to db_write() seeing a -1 eof offset. |
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| 02:34.03 | yukonbob | is cmake a viable option to try building brl-cad, or is it a WIP? |
| 02:34.24 | yukonbob | (or perhaps it's both?) |
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| 10:24.43 | d-lo | Mernin all! |
| 10:40.34 | ``Erik | yargh |
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| 11:48.34 | brlcad | hola |
| 11:48.40 | brlcad | yukonbob: both |
| 11:48.49 | brlcad | it won't build everything |
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| 12:16.10 | jdoliner | anyone around? |
| 12:17.02 | brlcad | nope |
| 12:19.14 | jdoliner | :p |
| 12:19.24 | jdoliner | i have an annoying problem |
| 12:19.35 | jdoliner | well there's some aspect of the opennurbs api I'm missing |
| 12:20.21 | jdoliner | basically one of the bezier curve constructor functions is ON_BezierCurve(PointArray) |
| 12:20.43 | jdoliner | so I use that, but then whenever I try to do something with the curve it segfaults immediately |
| 12:21.29 | jdoliner | as far as I can see there isn't even a subroutine it's segfaulting in |
| 12:22.34 | brlcad | you mean when the application starts, or when you first use the object or when the object is constructed? |
| 12:22.46 | jdoliner | when I first use the object |
| 12:22.50 | jdoliner | by use I mean call a method |
| 12:22.55 | brlcad | so it constructs cleanly |
| 12:23.01 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 12:23.02 | brlcad | as far as you know.. |
| 12:23.11 | jdoliner | and inspecting it in the debugger |
| 12:23.24 | jdoliner | it seems pretty much the same as curves that don't segfault |
| 12:23.39 | jdoliner | although there's a lot going on in curve instances |
| 12:23.56 | brlcad | well if you're in the debugger, how/where is it faulting? |
| 12:24.04 | brlcad | does the stack disappear on you? |
| 12:24.38 | jdoliner | yes... |
| 12:24.43 | jdoliner | I think it does |
| 12:24.46 | jdoliner | the line is: |
| 12:24.49 | jdoliner | curve1->GetTightBoundingBox(bbox1); |
| 12:24.52 | jdoliner | that's where gdb reports it |
| 12:25.09 | jdoliner | so maybe it just doesn't see the source for the actually seg fault? |
| 12:25.53 | jdoliner | why would the stack disappear on me. I've never had that happen to me |
| 12:27.01 | jdoliner | btw that's: src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp:390 |
| 12:27.04 | ``Erik | smashed |
| 12:27.14 | jdoliner | you or the stack? |
| 12:27.48 | ``Erik | the stack |
| 12:27.50 | ``Erik | heh |
| 12:28.29 | jdoliner | :p |
| 12:28.46 | ``Erik | if'n ya write up past heap and into the stack, or if you do "scary" stuff using pointers into the stack, bad things happen and gdb doesn't try to print the cooked stack out |
| 12:29.01 | jdoliner | k |
| 12:29.07 | jdoliner | that makes sense to me |
| 12:29.42 | jdoliner | but something doesn't feel right about that |
| 12:29.48 | indianlarry | it does expect the PointArray to be order big |
| 12:30.11 | brlcad | looking at the On_BezierCurve class, it looks like the m__GetBezierCurveTightBoundingBox is something you have to implement |
| 12:30.14 | jdoliner | indianlarry: explain order big |
| 12:30.23 | brlcad | which is what GetTightBoundingBox() uses |
| 12:30.28 | jdoliner | oh |
| 12:30.37 | jdoliner | what line is the empty function on? |
| 12:30.51 | brlcad | it should just be returning false if it's not implemented, but maybe you're relying on it being something non-false |
| 12:31.35 | brlcad | look at On_BezierCurve::GetTightBoundingBox() |
| 12:32.14 | brlcad | you'll see it just calls m__GetBezierCurveTightBoundingBox() .. which is never set anywhere, probably something removed from the lib for openNURBS |
| 12:32.51 | jdoliner | k I see that |
| 12:32.56 | brlcad | those are public functions though, meant to be easily stubbed in |
| 12:33.00 | brlcad | there are like 5 of them |
| 12:33.20 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.24 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.27 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.30 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.33 | brlcad | 4 to be more precise |
| 12:34.11 | jdoliner | hmm, okay |
| 12:34.37 | jdoliner | it still kinda bugs me that that's causing a segfault |
| 12:35.01 | brlcad | yeah, from the look of the code, that's not exactly what's causing a segfault, at least I don't see a problem |
| 12:35.14 | brlcad | it would be some other assumption |
| 12:35.34 | brlcad | unless static ON__m__GetLocalClosestPointOnBezierCurve m__GetLocalClosestPointOnBezierCurve; static ON__m__GetLocalBezierCurveSurfaceIntersection m__GetLocalBezierCurveSurfaceIntersection; static ON__m__GetLocalBezierCurveCurveIntersection m__GetLocalBezierCurveCurveIntersection; static ON__m__GetBezierCurveTightBoundingBox m__GetBezierCurveTightBoundingBox; |
| 12:35.39 | brlcad | oops |
| 12:35.54 | brlcad | unless m__GetBezierCurveTightBoundingBox() was never initialized and was just some random memory address |
| 12:36.23 | brlcad | but I see it initialized in opennurbs_basic.cpp |
| 12:36.38 | brlcad | (to 0) |
| 12:37.33 | brlcad | ah, there's the 5th, ON_BezierSurface::m__GetClosestPointOnBezierSurface() |
| 12:37.44 | brlcad | the others are ON_BezierCurve callbacks |
| 12:38.17 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 12:38.36 | jdoliner | well initializing it to 0 wouldn't explain a segfault would it? |
| 12:38.46 | brlcad | no, that should prevent it |
| 12:38.58 | brlcad | not initializing it to zero would explain it |
| 12:39.07 | jdoliner | yeah |
| 12:39.28 | brlcad | step through one line at a time, should be clear when things go wonky |
| 12:39.49 | brlcad | break on GetTightBoundingBox and step into it |
| 12:40.04 | brlcad | suspect it's a problem either right before or shortly after |
| 12:41.33 | jdoliner | maybe I'm doing it wrong but it's not letting me step in |
| 12:41.48 | brlcad | how's that? |
| 12:41.51 | jdoliner | i give it step command and it segfaults immediately |
| 12:42.02 | jdoliner | on the GetTight... call |
| 12:42.07 | brlcad | "i"? |
| 12:42.23 | brlcad | or "n"? |
| 12:43.15 | jdoliner | umm, I'm confused |
| 12:43.17 | brlcad | "p BezierCurve::GetTightBoundingBox" should be a valid address |
| 12:43.38 | brlcad | p yourobject->GetTightBoundingBox" should also be valid |
| 12:44.41 | jdoliner | yeah they both are |
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| 12:47.20 | brlcad | "i" is the you compiled opennurbs with optimization turned off? |
| 12:47.30 | brlcad | s/"i" is the// |
| 12:48.09 | brlcad | what happens if you put a break on BezierCurve::GetTightBoundingBox |
| 12:49.36 | jdoliner | it still hits that segfault :/ |
| 12:50.10 | brlcad | implies that the address isn't right |
| 12:50.23 | brlcad | which means you got memory corrupted somewhere before you get there |
| 12:51.26 | brlcad | you can put a printf in the routine and break on it to make sure, but you probably have some null deref going on somewhere |
| 12:52.16 | jdoliner | hmm, actually calling any method of the curve |
| 12:52.21 | jdoliner | gets me a segfault |
| 12:52.28 | jdoliner | even one's that are implemented |
| 13:09.48 | jdoliner | well here's something interesting: |
| 13:10.03 | brlcad | sounds like it's not constructed |
| 13:10.27 | jdoliner | if I do everything the same but instead of declaring it as an ON_Curve I call it an ON_BezierCurve, then there's no segfaults |
| 13:11.25 | brlcad | er, que? how were you declaring it as an ON_Curve and using it as an ON_BezierCurve? |
| 13:11.35 | brlcad | you would have needed a dynamic cast |
| 13:13.43 | jdoliner | eureka |
| 13:13.49 | jdoliner | well atleast I think so |
| 13:13.59 | jdoliner | yes that's the question I needed to hear |
| 13:14.44 | jdoliner | I'm declaring it fine as a BezierCurve but things are getting screwy because I'm trying to then abstract it up to just a Curve |
| 13:14.58 | jdoliner | and I'm doing that in a wrong way |
| 13:15.05 | jdoliner | let's see if this theory holds any water |
| 13:27.56 | brlcad | you can cast up and down just fine, but you should be explicit about it |
| 13:28.36 | brlcad | still doesn't explain the crash, but I'm guessing still an invalid dereference |
| 13:29.02 | jdoliner | well so it turns out BezierCurves aren't actually an extension of ON_Curve |
| 13:29.16 | jdoliner | I just kinda missed that until now |
| 13:29.25 | jdoliner | since everything else with Curve in the name is |
| 13:29.40 | brlcad | ahhh |
| 13:29.45 | jdoliner | there's our problem |
| 13:30.22 | jdoliner | and a long time ago when I got the compile error on that assignment, I just coerced it |
| 13:30.26 | jdoliner | which was silly of me |
| 13:30.54 | jdoliner | but now that we know this it turns out nurbscurves are extensions of ON_Curves |
| 13:32.14 | brlcad | ahhh, hehe, yeah *that*'ll do it |
| 13:32.37 | brlcad | hence a pointer with a value, but not a valid pointer to a class function |
| 13:32.44 | jdoliner | yup |
| 13:34.01 | jdoliner | ah but fortunately, this won't be too hard to fix at all |
| 13:35.20 | Yoshi47 | i think i know the aswer to this, but is there a way to view the geomtery of just the part you are making and not the cutting shapes and other stuff like the render view put in line view |
| 13:55.52 | brlcad | Yoshi47: running 'rt' without any options will give you a quick rendering |
| 13:56.14 | brlcad | (in a window) |
| 13:57.35 | Yoshi47 | im talking more about in mged when im editing and creating parts to see how they look without doing a render, kinda like what other CAD programs do, they show you the outline of the part. |
| 13:58.42 | Yoshi47 | its still very hard for me to use brlcad over varicad for drawing up parts, but i'll try and stick with it. |
| 13:59.55 | Yoshi47 | also takes alot of brain power to type the commands out and learn them, i guess archer will fix some of this with a more interactive gui when creating shapes |
| 14:01.02 | brlcad | Yoshi47: I know what you mean, and the current way to get that "shaded view" is via rt |
| 14:01.11 | brlcad | it gets at the heart of how geometry is represented |
| 14:01.14 | Yoshi47 | ha |
| 14:01.24 | brlcad | and very much related to the BREP/NURBS effort |
| 14:01.40 | Yoshi47 | so i would just have another window rt and then i have to update it manauly everytime i chagne something right |
| 14:01.46 | brlcad | it can't show you edges because there are no edges, at least no explicit ones |
| 14:01.53 | Yoshi47 | yep i get it |
| 14:02.12 | brlcad | archer is indeed a lot more interactive |
| 14:02.17 | Yoshi47 | be nice to have rt render reatime on a second screen |
| 14:02.29 | Yoshi47 | *realtime |
| 14:02.32 | brlcad | but there will always be a strong command-line component for numerical precision purposes |
| 14:02.52 | brlcad | yeah, there's actually a new display interface that does almost exactly that in the works |
| 14:03.07 | Yoshi47 | oh i get that part and i like that part over other cad programs its just i have to relate back to the intro Appendix for the points |
| 14:03.08 | louipc | I'd like to improve the cli first heh |
| 14:03.13 | brlcad | runs wonderfully actually .. and is something you can try but you'll have to compile from source |
| 14:03.26 | Yoshi47 | whats it called? |
| 14:03.29 | louipc | make it more intuitive, discoverable |
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| 14:04.04 | brlcad | we have a display manager library (libdm) .. right now you're using either our "xgl" (i.e., glx) |
| 14:04.32 | Yoshi47 | ah, i guess there is no docs on it or how to setup it up |
| 14:04.33 | brlcad | er, "ogl" (i.e., glx) display manager for X11 or our "X" display manager |
| 14:04.41 | brlcad | it's not a setup issue |
| 14:04.47 | brlcad | it's not an end-user feature yet |
| 14:05.16 | Yoshi47 | umm |
| 14:05.16 | brlcad | it's a new display manager called "rtgl" that renders objects via raytracing and then feeds point clouds to opengl |
| 14:05.36 | brlcad | very impressive, actually -- working on merging that into mged/archer as a display mode |
| 14:05.37 | Yoshi47 | and it does that realtime |
| 14:05.41 | brlcad | yep |
| 14:05.45 | Yoshi47 | cool |
| 14:05.53 | Yoshi47 | now i want to use it! |
| 14:05.55 | brlcad | almost instantly gives you the perception of a solid view |
| 14:06.06 | Yoshi47 | ive got goose bumps |
| 14:06.08 | brlcad | and can be rotated around interactive |
| 14:06.09 | louipc | haha yeah how do we enable it |
| 14:06.14 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 14:06.15 | brlcad | --enable-rtgl |
| 14:06.41 | brlcad | the issue is right now it's all or nothing, you replace the x11 wireframe with that display manager |
| 14:06.55 | Yoshi47 | that is a problem |
| 14:07.03 | brlcad | and it's not well suited to some of the dm tasks yet, like hilighting objects or interactive editing |
| 14:07.23 | brlcad | which is why it's not turned on, that's a really new feature |
| 14:07.32 | brlcad | worked on by a summer student just this summer |
| 14:07.54 | brlcad | i'll see if I can put up one of his videos later today |
| 14:08.06 | louipc | sweet |
| 14:08.30 | brlcad | runs off late |
| 14:08.47 | Yoshi47 | can you start up 2 mged and then make both look at the same db |
| 14:09.04 | Yoshi47 | i wonder what hes late for |
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| 15:07.29 | brlcad | Yoshi47: you can actually start up just one mged and get multiple display maangers, just type "attach X" in mged and see |
| 15:09.37 | Yoshi47 | cool |
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| 15:21.10 | ``Erik_ | ´/clear |
| 15:21.14 | ``Erik_ | heh |
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| 15:38.09 | ``Erik | heh, my bad, guess I saw a bad example |
| 15:38.27 | ``Erik | (thought we had it, couldn't find it in the .ac *shrug* ah well) |
| 15:41.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35784 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: grr. Still trying to get the nmg->brep stuff to line up. |
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| 16:48.32 | PrezKennedy | hey brlcad, ill be working at a big geometric building soon |
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| 17:41.45 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: what does that mean? |
| 17:42.23 | Yoshi47 | im lost too |
| 17:42.33 | PrezKennedy | pentagon |
| 17:42.38 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 17:43.15 | brlcad | I hear you're going to turn it into a hexagon |
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| 17:47.42 | Yoshi47 | PrezKennedy, what you goin to be doing there or is that secret? |
| 17:48.03 | brlcad | selling hot dogs from the back of his trunk |
| 17:48.05 | PrezKennedy | ...programming |
| 17:48.16 | PrezKennedy | hmmm i like the hot dog idea |
| 17:48.23 | PrezKennedy | i can sell water at the halfway point from the parking lot |
| 17:48.26 | PrezKennedy | $5 a bottle |
| 17:48.30 | louipc | hahhah |
| 17:59.11 | ``Erik | heh, conan the librarian |
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| 21:13.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35799 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: Start roughing out the test csg->brep routines for the other arbs. |
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| 21:23.15 | brlcad | leaves it as an exercise to the reader to determine whether that needs to be a long int |
| 21:23.28 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks :-) |
| 21:25.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35801 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: Call SetTrimIsoFlags. ARB4 test case now succeeds. |
| 21:29.17 | brlcad | if you read through the error it gave, and ignore the pointless bitching, you see that it's ambiguous [] operator, one is a class member that takes an int, the other is a built-in that takes a long |
| 21:29.39 | brlcad | I think the bitching is the gcc devs saying "we're required to halt on this, even though it's stupid" |
| 21:30.37 | brlcad | related to the template instantiation, it instantiated a long somewhere, which probably implies the int-sized one defined by opennurbs is insufficiently indexed |
| 21:31.24 | brlcad | the fix is trivial, just feed it the int they're expecting |
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| 12:39.43 | ``Erik | ramalamadingdangdong |
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| 12:45.22 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, just for that you can help me! lol |
| 12:45.56 | Yoshi47 | jk |
| 12:46.29 | Yoshi47 | i do have a question though, where's the best place to learn about assemblies and proper way of doing that in brl-cad |
| 12:52.44 | ``Erik | um, the books? |
| 12:53.05 | ``Erik | there's nothing magic about an assembly, it's an analog to a real life assembly |
| 12:53.42 | ``Erik | since it's composed of regions, and a region is a single homogeneous object, ya just ... stick 'em together and go |
| 12:54.32 | Yoshi47 | i think im having trouble with the naming of parts and their shapes, |
| 12:55.08 | Yoshi47 | like if i have a bearing, should i start all shapes with bearing1.*.s so when i concat the dbs the names don't interfere with other names |
| 12:56.46 | ``Erik | sure, it's up to you... and you can rename (mv) and rebuild the regions (even with the gui combination editor) if you change your mind |
| 12:57.08 | _clock_ | Who likes Madonna? |
| 12:57.18 | ``Erik | (doesn't dbconcat rename on conflict?) |
| 12:57.55 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, i think so, thats what brlcad said, but i would like to come up with a good naming convention so i don't get that and my regions stay good as well. |
| 12:58.09 | Yoshi47 | _clock_, what does that have to do with brlcad |
| 12:58.42 | _clock_ | Yoshi47: nothing |
| 12:59.06 | Yoshi47 | oh |
| 12:59.07 | Yoshi47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.54 | ``Erik | her bra's are trivial to model in BRL-CAD, that's what it has to do :D *duck* |
| 13:01.17 | Yoshi47 | nice |
| 13:05.35 | _clock_ | ``Erik: you mean she has no bra's? |
| 13:05.46 | _clock_ | half-plane? |
| 13:06.53 | ``Erik | simple cones |
| 13:09.32 | ``Erik | in bra_cup trc 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0.0001 |
| 13:09.43 | ``Erik | http://media.washingtontimes.com/media/img/photos/2008/08/26/20080825-234716-pic-872712083.jpg |
| 13:09.46 | ``Erik | perfect match |
| 13:09.49 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:11.52 | starseeker | scowls at the arbn for ruining the party and hits the road |
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| 14:34.18 | Yoshi47 | who wants my .375"OD bearing? |
| 14:34.54 | starseeker | the model or the bearing? ;-) |
| 14:35.15 | Yoshi47 | the model! |
| 14:35.26 | starseeker | let's see :-) |
| 14:35.34 | Yoshi47 | one sec, |
| 14:35.41 | starseeker | you could try uploading it to more.brlcad.org |
| 14:36.37 | Yoshi47 | ok i'll try when i got it ready i found a flaw |
| 14:37.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35807 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/arbn/arbn_brep.cpp: Whoops, how about adding arbn_brep. This is a recreation, checking compile now. |
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| 15:12.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35808 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Oh yeah, should free memory that is allocated. The arbn brep is still messed up but since it doesn't crash now enable it. |
| 15:20.22 | brlcad | starseeker: msvc8 and cmake build |
| 15:24.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35809 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add arbn_brep.cpp to the other build system logics |
| 15:31.23 | Yoshi47 | starseeker, what license should I do? |
| 15:39.30 | louipc | wtfpl |
| 15:39.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03josiah47 07http://more.brlcad.org * r26 10Model repository/: Bearing 0.375 (insert model: ) |
| 15:40.20 | Yoshi47 | how long does it take for the render to automatically come up? |
| 16:01.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03 07http://more.brlcad.org * r26 10Model repository/: Bearing 0.375 (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
| 16:13.05 | Yoshi47 | oh i guess that answers my question |
| 16:34.34 | Yoshi47 | why is there no search function for the wiki? |
| 16:34.43 | Yoshi47 | I need more info on concating dbs |
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| 16:43.32 | Yoshi47 | i just used the import utility, duh |
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| 17:29.39 | brlcad | Yoshi47: the principles of effective modeling covers assemblies and naming conventions some (vol III) |
| 17:29.53 | Yoshi47 | ok thanks |
| 17:36.41 | brlcad | and I would suggest you not worry too much about naming convention conflicts, so long as the names within a given .g make relative sense |
| 17:37.34 | Yoshi47 | is that because when i do an import i can add a prefix? |
| 17:37.34 | brlcad | dbconcating with a prefix is pretty common practice to help indicate a scope of sorts, and minimizes conflicts |
| 17:37.34 | brlcad | bingo |
| 17:37.50 | Yoshi47 | i figured that out after i changed my names, lol |
| 17:37.56 | Yoshi47 | oh well i learnt |
| 17:38.11 | starseeker | Yoshi47: what license would you want to use? |
| 17:38.20 | Yoshi47 | i did GLV3 |
| 17:38.26 | Yoshi47 | but i don't know the difference |
| 17:38.46 | Yoshi47 | guess i good read, but does it make that much of a diff |
| 17:40.38 | starseeker | BRL-CAD itself is LGPL - Creative Commons is a popular choice |
| 17:41.57 | Yoshi47 | only BSD and GPLv3 were in the list, so LGPL is v3 |
| 17:43.06 | starseeker | Erm |
| 17:43.14 | starseeker | we'll need to expand that list |
| 17:44.05 | starseeker | If you could pick any of the various choices, would you have a preference? (Generally it runs BSD most free to GPL most restricted) |
| 17:46.14 | brlcad | yeah, wow, probably just to stub "something" |
| 17:46.27 | brlcad | gplv3 wouldn't have been top of my list to add first |
| 17:47.48 | brlcad | bsd/mit/apache, cc-by/cc-sa/cc-by-sa, lgpl |
| 17:50.52 | Yoshi47 | i think i would choose the most free |
| 17:51.40 | brlcad | those all allow pretty much any use |
| 17:51.58 | brlcad | something like cc-pd would probably be ideal |
| 17:52.17 | starseeker | brlcad: any idea where that license list lives? |
| 17:52.44 | brlcad | starseeker: pretty good idea it's in the web root for more ;) |
| 17:54.35 | starseeker | is poking there |
| 17:55.18 | brlcad | search for the gplv3 string, can't be too many |
| 17:56.13 | starseeker | aren't any |
| 17:56.41 | starseeker | Yoshi47: nifty bearing! |
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| 17:56.52 | brlcad | if it's displaying in a webpage, it has to be somewhere -- it might be an entity stored in the db |
| 17:56.53 | Yoshi47 | ya its tiny, |
| 17:56.59 | brlcad | drupal being all content-based |
| 17:57.04 | brlcad | see the admin panel |
| 17:58.22 | brlcad | or email elena |
| 17:58.33 | Yoshi47 | whos elena? |
| 17:58.39 | brlcad | she'd probably enjoy hearing that it's being put to use |
| 17:58.52 | brlcad | elena put the model repository site together |
| 17:59.11 | Yoshi47 | oh, summer student? |
| 17:59.17 | brlcad | yeah |
| 17:59.25 | brlcad | gsoc |
| 17:59.31 | Yoshi47 | year? |
| 18:00.03 | brlcad | grad student in eastern europe, working gsoc this year |
| 18:00.09 | Yoshi47 | cool |
| 18:00.23 | brlcad | very cool, she did fantastic |
| 18:00.55 | Yoshi47 | so is there a search function on the website/wiki? |
| 18:01.26 | brlcad | there is, but it's disabled |
| 18:01.56 | Yoshi47 | umm, can it be enables only for registered users? |
| 18:02.03 | brlcad | we don't yet have integration between the drupal and mediawiki sides of things, didn't want to leave things in a confusing/partial state |
| 18:02.56 | Yoshi47 | oh, |
| 18:03.42 | Yoshi47 | i don't know if i asked this before but where is the snapping stuff? is there a plan to make it better? |
| 18:05.16 | Yoshi47 | is there something special to get the grid to draw or is it my color scheme? |
| 18:05.36 | brlcad | presume you mean snap-to-grid? it's on the mged menu, turn on the grid option and then snapping |
| 18:05.52 | brlcad | i believe the grid default is black |
| 18:05.55 | Yoshi47 | kinda, no snap to middle? |
| 18:06.00 | starseeker | will have to look into the more site setup more later |
| 18:06.01 | Yoshi47 | yep i checked it |
| 18:06.40 | Yoshi47 | i guess its hard to do snap to middle with solid objects |
| 18:06.44 | brlcad | there are definitely ideas to make it better -- parametrics and constraints make object snapping a lot easier |
| 18:07.00 | brlcad | it's snaps to the *grid* |
| 18:07.20 | Yoshi47 | ya i just have to get that going, there seems to be a duplication in the menus |
| 18:08.04 | brlcad | yeah, there's quite a bit of duplication, sucks but nobody has stepped up to propose an improved reorg (again, priorities and all) |
| 18:08.18 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 18:08.55 | Yoshi47 | i have draw grid on but nothing shows up |
| 18:09.15 | brlcad | do you have a black background? |
| 18:09.23 | Yoshi47 | nope on winter theme |
| 18:09.34 | Yoshi47 | and grid is set to black on that |
| 18:09.35 | brlcad | try turning faceplate on |
| 18:09.58 | Yoshi47 | didn't work |
| 18:10.28 | brlcad | ah, default grid is white |
| 18:11.06 | Yoshi47 | even though grid color is 0 0 0 in color schemes |
| 18:11.59 | brlcad | mmm, black is barely visible |
| 18:12.18 | Yoshi47 | i can't see anything |
| 18:12.47 | brlcad | do you see a wireframe? |
| 18:13.02 | brlcad | or have you been rendering/raytracing images into the view with overlay |
| 18:13.05 | Yoshi47 | from my parts yes |
| 18:13.17 | Yoshi47 | nope ray tracing disabled |
| 18:13.46 | brlcad | hrm |
| 18:14.45 | Yoshi47 | what anchor point? |
| 18:15.00 | Yoshi47 | oh thats what it is |
| 18:15.17 | brlcad | > |
| 18:15.17 | Yoshi47 | guess that kinda makes sense, but not really good for a default |
| 18:15.18 | brlcad | ? |
| 18:15.51 | Yoshi47 | soon as i pout 0 0 0 for anchor point in grid control panel it went on it was set to NAN NAN NAN |
| 18:16.13 | Yoshi47 | the grid helps, don't need measurement tools as much |
| 18:28.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r35810 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/brep.c librt/primitives/brep/brep_debug.cpp): updates to mged 'brep' command |
| 18:29.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35811 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: Whoops, didn't mean to commit the turning off of everything but arbn |
| 18:31.43 | Yoshi47 | perfect |
| 18:32.41 | Yoshi47 | im back |
| 18:33.51 | brlcad | cool |
| 18:34.22 | brlcad | yeah, it's sort of a balance of quick-to-implement and necessary/useful-features |
| 18:36.18 | Yoshi47 | what is the proper name for a race track shape? |
| 18:37.12 | ``Erik | can think of many different race track shapes |
| 18:37.12 | brlcad | an oval? |
| 18:37.24 | brlcad | ellipse? |
| 18:37.24 | Yoshi47 | with staight sides |
| 18:37.25 | ``Erik | woulda said more like a 'pill' shape, |
| 18:37.30 | Yoshi47 | yeah |
| 18:37.35 | Yoshi47 | what ``Erik said |
| 18:37.49 | brlcad | yeah, pill-shaped in 3d is our "part" primitive |
| 18:38.17 | brlcad | two sphereical ends with an joining cone |
| 18:38.38 | Yoshi47 | joing rcc |
| 18:38.48 | brlcad | flattened would simply be two rccs with a joining arb8 |
| 18:39.17 | ``Erik | each end could be a small rcc subtracted from a large rcc, then a big subtract arb8 in the middle to make them halves, then 2 more arb8's added in to make the straight pieces |
| 18:39.32 | brlcad | would with ascii art, but they'd both end up looking like a penis |
| 18:40.23 | Yoshi47 | ok two rcc one on each end of a arb8 half way |
| 18:41.10 | brlcad | if the sides don't need to be perfectly flat, you could intersect a part with an arb8 |
| 18:41.30 | ``Erik | (+ (- (+ bigrccnorth bigrccsouth) (+ smallrccnorth smallrccsouth midarb8)) westarb8 eastarb8) |
| 18:41.33 | Yoshi47 | its just going to be a cut out for my x slide |
| 18:41.44 | Yoshi47 | but what is the geometric name for that kind of shape |
| 18:42.49 | ``Erik | there may not be a specific name... :/ |
| 18:44.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35812 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 18:44.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: part is and has always been a stupid short name for the 'particle' primitive, |
| 18:44.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: which was also a bad name idea. v6 needs to fix that by minimally renaming it |
| 18:44.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: to something less confusing, like 'pill' or by implementing a more generalized |
| 18:44.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: metaprimitive structure for supporting constraint object combinations like |
| 18:44.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 'part'. |
| 18:55.50 | brlcad | racetrack-shaped, pill-shaped, stadium-shaped, .. |
| 18:56.16 | brlcad | don't think there's a specific geometric name for the shape, other than by a verbose definition |
| 18:56.24 | Yoshi47 | ok |
| 18:57.50 | brlcad | like two semicircles with equal radii cojoined with parallel lines where the diameter of the circles equals the distance between those parallel lines |
| 18:58.08 | brlcad | that'd make for a really long object name.. |
| 18:58.17 | brlcad | would go with "pill" :) |
| 18:58.33 | Yoshi47 | too |
| 18:58.37 | brlcad | or even "oval" |
| 18:59.05 | Yoshi47 | oval with straight runs |
| 19:04.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35813 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g.c: think out loud on how to write the .g file |
| 19:07.46 | Yoshi47 | why does my mged CLI suddenly say more arguemtns needed when typing in "in" and |
| 19:07.57 | Yoshi47 | it doesn't step me through it any more, |
| 19:08.02 | Yoshi47 | soem kinda setting? |
| 19:08.21 | ``Erik | software bug? the in prompt code is ... fragile. |
| 19:08.51 | louipc | oh? |
| 19:09.26 | Yoshi47 | must of been, restarted and its fine |
| 19:09.50 | brlcad | odd..., if you can figure out how to reproduce it, please do report |
| 19:10.02 | Yoshi47 | yep will do |
| 19:12.56 | ``Erik | brlcad: do we have any kinda template for keynote? or "just use gradient" ? |
| 19:13.39 | brlcad | nope, I'd tweaked something a few times, but most of the defaults are eye-catching enough by themselves |
| 19:15.41 | starseeker | spots NewPlanarFaceLoop in opennurbs and wonders if that's a better way to go here... |
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| 20:00.58 | starseeker | Oh, there it is ON_BrepFromMesh |
| 20:01.17 | starseeker | so the question is whether it is easier to go nmg->ON_meshTopology |
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| 20:21.01 | brlcad | oh, starseeker .. that file has several interesting routines... :) |
| 20:21.30 | brlcad | and yeah, they do look to be non-stubbed implementations.. |
| 20:21.52 | brlcad | ON_BrepBox() is arb8->brep :) |
| 20:25.19 | brlcad | which unveils a few other interesting routines like ON_NurbsSurfaceQuadrilateral() and _MeshNurbsSurface() |
| 20:25.34 | brlcad | the latter is only in the rhino sdk, looks like the tessellator |
| 20:27.12 | brlcad | ah yeah, tessellators for five of them: ON_MeshNurbsSurface, ON_MeshPlaneSurface, ON_MeshRevSurface, ON_MeshSumSurface, ON_MeshBrepFace |
| 20:29.54 | brlcad | ON_BrepWedge is an arb5 |
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| 01:21.13 | starseeker | this is interesting - it looks like ON_Mesh only has faces and verticies |
| 01:21.52 | brlcad | like BoTs |
| 01:22.27 | starseeker | does that make nmg->ON_Mesh a lossy conversion? |
| 01:22.29 | brlcad | connectivity may be implied |
| 01:23.21 | Yoshi477 | is there more docs on arbn? |
| 01:23.22 | brlcad | not 100% sure, but shouldn't be from what I saw in the API for managing them |
| 01:26.04 | brlcad | faq also says ON_Mesh faces may be non-planar.. which is pretty interesting |
| 01:26.38 | starseeker | grinds his teeth - doggone it, it's so close to working as is... |
| 01:33.40 | brlcad | the biggest key off is their ON_MeshParameters class that they use for tessellation (and the fact that it's the result of their generalized tessellation interface) |
| 01:33.58 | brlcad | has some pretty advanced remeshing parameters |
| 01:34.22 | brlcad | which are probably only used by the RhinoSDK but maybe not |
| 01:35.25 | brlcad | the other is ON_MeshTopologyVertex and ON_MeshTopologyEdge and other similar classes that are basically nmg-style stitching connectivity |
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| 03:53.21 | starseeker | brlcad: Yes. What's not immediately clear to me (at least, not without more digging) is whether those *Topology* structures need to be manually created or whether they are deduced from an ON_Mesh via some routine |
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| 12:58.51 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.13 | Yoshi47 | cool |
| 13:03.16 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, can i specify this as a x y z on point 3 for an arb6 "0 (.5+(tan19.9x.5)) 1.3125" |
| 13:11.32 | brlcad | not with that syntax, but yeah you can |
| 13:14.24 | ``Erik | if you say "0 [expr .5+tan(19.9)*.5] 1.3125" I think |
| 13:15.13 | Yoshi47 | cool got to remember that |
| 13:15.28 | ``Erik | (the square brackets mean "execute this command", expr means "compute this mathematical expression") |
| 13:16.12 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 13:16.14 | Yoshi47 | thanks |
| 13:16.25 | Yoshi47 | i'll try it on my next shape at break time |
| 13:18.22 | ``Erik | and if you find yourself doing a series of commands frequently, you can make them into a single command using "proc {args} {body}"... |
| 13:18.59 | Yoshi47 | i'll have to figure that one out |
| 13:19.39 | ``Erik | *shrug* it's a possible next step for when ya feel ready |
| 13:19.54 | Yoshi47 | ya, when i get bored! lol |
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| 16:36.23 | brlcad | also, by default you'll have to escape the square brackets unless you turn off tcl eval mode (it's on the menu, or via "set glob_compat_mode 0") |
| 16:37.03 | brlcad | and i think tan takes radians, no? :) |
| 16:40.33 | ``Erik | hrm, probably too late for lunch |
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| 17:29.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Banger 07http://brlcad.org * r1613 10/wiki/User:466_buy_cialis: |
| 17:36.40 | brlcad | never too late for lunch |
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| 17:45.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35837 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (AttrGroupsDisplayUtility.tcl Makefile.am tclIndex): Added a bare bones utility for grouping and displaying objects by attribute. |
| 19:15.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35838 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/fb_generic.c: Changed IF_RTGL to IF_OGL to expose ogl_interface. |
| 19:19.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35839 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (archer/archer.bat mged/mged.bat util/rtwizard.bat): Update to version 7.15.0 |
| 19:44.13 | Yoshi47 | is there a way to turn off in wire frame mode the color specified in shader, i have a spacer that is white and it is hidden against my white background |
| 19:45.49 | brlcad | common problem, there is always some color that won't show up against a given background color |
| 19:47.32 | Yoshi47 | why does the wireframe take the color from the shader? can we turn that off and make the wireframe a generic color? or i guess thats not preferrrable |
| 19:49.05 | brlcad | there is a way to e/draw things up with a specified color, e -C #/#/# |
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| 19:51.42 | brlcad | in general, the wireframe color matches because users found it helps identify and segregate geometry |
| 19:51.50 | brlcad | especially as the model gets more and more complex with hundreds/thousands of objects |
| 19:51.51 | Yoshi47 | ya i agree |
| 19:52.13 | Yoshi47 | just have to use another color while editing |
| 19:52.16 | brlcad | as there are conventioned color schemes used on some teams to make given systems a given color for easy identification |
| 19:52.36 | brlcad | fuel systems are always green, engine componenets are always red, etc |
| 19:52.45 | Yoshi47 | ah |
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| 21:09.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35842 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: Whooops - free the NMG model explicitly created in csgbrep. Also, get set up for rhc testing. |
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| 22:13.23 | ``Erik | ahhh |
| 22:27.49 | ``Erik | I'm... to sexy for my shirt... to sexy for my shirt... |
| 22:28.04 | Yoshi477 | are you watching that... |
| 22:28.13 | ``Erik | no, just got the urge to say that |
| 22:28.21 | Yoshi477 | lol |
| 22:28.32 | ``Erik | <-- is all sorts of messed up in the head |
| 22:32.00 | ``Erik | my dance was too sexy for him |
| 22:32.02 | ``Erik | on the catwalk |
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| 22:53.58 | ``Erik | hates doing gui work |
| 22:55.23 | ``Erik | hum, xcode has cocoa stuff for python and ruby now O.o I don't recall adding any packages to support those... neat |
| 23:00.22 | ``Erik | somewhat annoying, the brown book is good for xcode 2.x, the websites are all about xcode3.x, and they're fairly different |
| 23:04.09 | Yoshi477 | Warning: region unioned into region at '/xslide.c/xslide_holddown_2.r', lower region info ignored |
| 23:04.10 | Yoshi477 | Warning: region unioned into region at '/xslide.c/xslide_holddown_2.r/washer_M8_.8.r', lower region info ignored |
| 23:04.19 | Yoshi477 | why am i getting that? |
| 23:09.49 | Yoshi477 | is that cuase i should add a region to a region but instead use comb |
| 23:11.31 | ``Erik | a region represents a physical object, if you follow the path down the tree, you should only ever see one region flag |
| 23:11.46 | ``Erik | below the region is abstract shape data, so use combinations |
| 23:11.58 | ``Erik | above the region is a group of physical objects, so use assembly or part |
| 23:12.01 | Yoshi477 | i thought so, ok i guess i got to redo my tree structure |
| 23:12.40 | ``Erik | the warnings are "you're doing something bad... we'll let you do it, but understand, it's bad." |
| 23:13.33 | ``Erik | if, say, I have a big complex model with all the right materials and shaders, but I wanted to just turn it all glass or something to see through it, I could add it to a region with the glass shader to over-ride all the material information below, but that's... cheating the system :D |
| 23:14.00 | ``Erik | "Here's a shotgun. We recommend you do not shoot it at your foot, but won't stop you." |
| 23:14.33 | Yoshi477 | i like it |
| 23:14.41 | Yoshi477 | but i'll obey the rules Sir |
| 23:14.54 | ``Erik | shooting shotguns at your feet? *shrug* whatever makes ya happy, I spoze :D |
| 23:15.29 | Yoshi477 | what if i didn't have feet would you feel bad? |
| 23:15.46 | ``Erik | not really, no |
| 23:15.55 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:15.59 | Yoshi477 | lol |
| 23:16.11 | ``Erik | probably just means that someone had entrusted you with a shotgun at some point in the past |
| 23:16.14 | ``Erik | :> |
| 23:16.54 | ``Erik | (fairly sure there're pics of you standing in your gallery, so'z I'm guessing no one has felt the urge to hand you a firearm) |
| 23:16.57 | ``Erik | ;0 |
| 23:17.00 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:19.19 | Yoshi477 | could have fakies |
| 23:19.35 | Yoshi477 | so you looked through my gallery did ya |
| 23:20.57 | ``Erik | a little |
| 23:21.52 | Yoshi477 | so no comments you would like to spill out? |
| 23:22.35 | ``Erik | nope, busy getting my dinner here |
| 23:23.12 | ``Erik | ah, you have uploaded to 'more', cool |
| 23:23.58 | Yoshi477 | huh? |
| 23:24.13 | ``Erik | http://more.brlcad.org has a bearing.g |
| 23:24.28 | Yoshi477 | oh ya my tiny bearing |
| 23:24.33 | ``Erik | yuh oh, bldg391 is most definitely not bldg391, unless 391 is the "big blue room" |
| 23:25.54 | ``Erik | looks in a mirror and says "brlcad" 3 times in a row to make him appear and fix this |
| 23:25.59 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:26.13 | ``Erik | damn |
| 23:26.21 | ``Erik | "biggie smalls... biggie smalls... bi... uh..." |
| 23:26.32 | louipc | yeah how do you render the view from inside the sphere? |
| 23:26.53 | ``Erik | ah, wait, that might actually be bldg391, but rendered outside, yes |
| 23:27.00 | brlcad | it is |
| 23:27.04 | Yoshi477 | im lost |
| 23:27.12 | louipc | maybe you just need to cut away the half you don't want? |
| 23:27.13 | ``Erik | thought it was the planet we have |
| 23:27.38 | brlcad | bldg391 has 19 top-level objects, the one rendered on the site looks like all.g which includes a sky sphere |
| 23:28.04 | ``Erik | annotate the skysphere, and have the raytracer see that annotation and make sure the viewpoint is inside of the skysphere? |
| 23:28.16 | ``Erik | does asc support attributes? |
| 23:28.49 | brlcad | just have to make sure the eye is inside |
| 23:28.53 | brlcad | it's already a "shell" |
| 23:28.57 | brlcad | not a solid sphere |
| 23:29.31 | brlcad | v5 asc definitely supports attributes, don't recall if that was added to v4 asc |
| 23:30.01 | ``Erik | given that v4 was deprecated over a decade ago and we're close to v6, ... I frankly don't care :D |
| 23:31.01 | ``Erik | I wouldn't mind if _export5() was renamed to export() and the old v4 loader was all moved into dbupgrade, myself O:-) |
| 23:31.32 | ``Erik | doesn't see any v3 loader code *shrug* |
| 23:34.06 | brlcad | go for it :) |
| 23:34.22 | brlcad | all the *5() stuff should be s/5// |
| 23:35.25 | Yoshi477 | can someone take a look at this and tell me im doing it wrong cause my head is fried, http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/v/CAD/xslide_g.html |
| 23:35.50 | Yoshi477 | B xslide.c |
| 23:36.24 | ``Erik | pasting a url to a wrapper page instead of directly to the .g file == wrong :D |
| 23:36.36 | Yoshi477 | you want the direct link |
| 23:36.47 | Yoshi477 | http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/d/2439-1/xslide_g?g2_GALLERYSID=8d870d26847034d67e6a9b58f984d434 |
| 23:37.03 | Yoshi477 | there fixed one of my mistakes |
| 23:37.05 | ``Erik | not so great to 'fetch' or 'wget' :) |
| 23:37.23 | Yoshi477 | oh right i'll keep it in mind for the next time |
| 23:38.16 | brlcad | xslide.c shouldn't be a region |
| 23:38.26 | Yoshi477 | isn't it a comb |
| 23:38.32 | brlcad | regions are combinations |
| 23:38.38 | brlcad | but combinations are not necessarily regions |
| 23:39.06 | Yoshi477 | oh analyze |
| 23:39.16 | brlcad | think of a region as a homogenous "part" like you'd have in other cad systems |
| 23:39.25 | brlcad | you don't put parts into parts, that's what assemblies are for |
| 23:40.12 | Yoshi477 | and comb is used to make an assembly right? |
| 23:40.14 | ``Erik | 'comb' is the most general form |
| 23:40.18 | brlcad | you have the right idea that naming-convention-wise, it's good to name your regions .r and your non-regions .c |
| 23:40.32 | Yoshi477 | so all i have to do is change xslide.c into a comb |
| 23:40.37 | ``Erik | should parts and assemblies be .c ? |
| 23:40.45 | brlcad | right, you want to unset the region bit on it |
| 23:40.47 | Yoshi477 | comb is the most general form? there more? |
| 23:40.58 | Yoshi477 | and how may i pretell do that? |
| 23:41.24 | brlcad | adjust xslide.c region no |
| 23:41.43 | ``Erik | (the combination editor has a checkbox for that) |
| 23:41.46 | ``Erik | iirc |
| 23:41.59 | Yoshi477 | oh there |
| 23:42.02 | Yoshi477 | lol |
| 23:42.16 | Yoshi477 | so about the advance assemblies? |
| 23:42.35 | brlcad | so if you "tree xslide.c", you'll see a /R after all the objects that are regions |
| 23:43.02 | brlcad | and at a glance, it looks like the rest are okay |
| 23:43.16 | Yoshi477 | ya i analyzed them and it looks good to me |
| 23:43.35 | brlcad | looks like you might have a few paths that have no regions |
| 23:43.35 | Yoshi477 | im starting to like brlcad, lol |
| 23:43.48 | ``Erik | might wanna beat it with g_qa and g_lint |
| 23:43.59 | Yoshi477 | ``Erik, you lost me |
| 23:44.07 | Yoshi477 | brlcad, paths? |
| 23:44.13 | ``Erik | they're programs, they look over your geometry to see if things are reasonably sane |
| 23:44.22 | brlcad | Yoshi477: run "rtcheck" and wait a few seconds |
| 23:44.32 | ``Erik | automated tools to do what you're asking us to do for you :D |
| 23:45.01 | brlcad | then spin the model a little, you'll see yellow lines where you have overlaps |
| 23:45.12 | brlcad | looks like you have bolts overlapping bolts |
| 23:45.14 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 23:45.18 | Yoshi477 | really |
| 23:45.21 | Yoshi477 | were? |
| 23:45.26 | Yoshi477 | i'll look |
| 23:46.01 | brlcad | 17 unique overlapping objects detected |
| 23:46.07 | ``Erik | thinks he will do the 4/5 brutality tomorrow morning |
| 23:46.26 | Yoshi477 | 0h i think i got a couple extra parts in there, i'll go through the tree and correct |
| 23:46.30 | Yoshi477 | thanks for your help |
| 23:46.38 | ``Erik | and bring in my brown book so I have a reason to disappear when the pitchforks and torches are handed out O.o |
| 23:46.40 | Yoshi477 | whats 4/5 brutality? |
| 23:47.00 | ``Erik | yoshi: ugly internal stuff that you should never notice as a 'mere mortal' user |
| 23:47.17 | Yoshi477 | ok good |
| 23:47.35 | ``Erik | (if anyone other than a low level developer realizes something changed, then I screwed up) :D |
| 23:48.00 | brlcad | it's where he gets brutally sodomized by only 4 out of 5 |
| 23:48.19 | ``Erik | 4 out of 5 sodomizers agree that ... |
| 23:50.26 | ``Erik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTW9aHf--co hehehe |
| 23:50.36 | brlcad | wow, gqa's overlap reporting sucks compared to rtcheck |
| 23:50.49 | ``Erik | g_qa has many deficiencies |
| 23:51.11 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 23:51.14 | brlcad | has the same duplicate reporting bug I fixed in rtcheck like 6 years ago |
| 23:51.27 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:51.47 | brlcad | uselessly reports about 1000 overlaps on those 17 unique objects |
| 23:52.39 | ``Erik | I'll hold him down while ya punch the crap out of him for that? :D |
| 23:53.32 | Yoshi477 | im only a newbie, lol |
| 23:54.08 | ``Erik | yoshi: I meant the author of g_qa, he works a couple buildings over from brlcad and me :) |
| 23:54.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35843 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: make gqa overlap reporting suck less. |
| 23:54.52 | Yoshi477 | oh |
| 23:55.03 | brlcad | Yoshi477: yeah, the overlaps are pretty much expected from newbie modelers |
| 23:55.10 | Yoshi477 | well i do deserver a beating for screwing up, |
| 23:55.22 | ``Erik | nah, part of the learning curve |
| 23:55.30 | Yoshi477 | overlaps most likely in my case means i multiple parts in the same area right? |
| 23:55.36 | ``Erik | yes |
| 23:55.37 | brlcad | there's a "new" tool that does a better job at reporting them.. but it's teh suck in terms of how it reports them out |
| 23:55.50 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 23:55.58 | ``Erik | two regions occupying the same physical space, it doesn't make sense physically |
| 23:57.08 | ``Erik | but it's a common modelling error, either from bad or careless definition of geometry, from slop in tesselation, or *shrug* whatever else... |
| 23:58.22 | ``Erik | (for example, I have an imported model from actual production, a removable item actually physically occupies the same space as the clip designed to hold it... and this is from the gurus... it happens, don't sweat it, just understand what it is :) |
| 23:59.35 | brlcad | Yoshi477: it might help to work with objects by themselves at the region level, resolve any problems there, then go to the parent combination and resolve issues there and so on |
| 23:59.42 | Yoshi477 | ah, man would it be a field trip to spend a day watching you guys. |
| 23:59.57 | ``Erik | yes, my webcomic reading is legendary. |
| 23:59.58 | Yoshi477 | brlcad, currently doing that |
| 00:00.12 | Yoshi477 | xkcd? |
| 00:00.12 | ``Erik | on the list |
| 00:00.12 | Yoshi477 | nice |
| 00:00.13 | brlcad | for example, if I walk down your object hierarchy, I see xslide_main.r in xslide.c |
| 00:00.19 | Yoshi477 | pretty bad one wednesday though |
| 00:00.22 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/comics/comic.php?nsfw=2 |
| 00:00.32 | ``Erik | the 'tgi fridays' one? |
| 00:00.33 | brlcad | in xslide_main.r, I see an unexpected duplicately listed object name |
| 00:00.40 | Yoshi477 | yeah |
| 00:00.45 | ``Erik | I wasn't amused by it :/ |
| 00:00.51 | brlcad | whether intentional or not depends on your intent, but I'm betting it's a modeling mistake |
| 00:00.52 | ``Erik | I'm guessing I didn't get the joke |
| 00:01.16 | Yoshi477 | hover mouse over graphic? you know of? |
| 00:01.19 | ``Erik | randall doesn't bomb often at all |
| 00:03.58 | Yoshi477 | brlcad, in xslide_holddown_1.c i have to - the flathead_M8x50.c in order to get rid of the overlaps? |
| 00:04.09 | Yoshi477 | makes sense i guess |
| 00:04.17 | Yoshi477 | i have to drill holes... |
| 00:04.39 | Yoshi477 | thats what i didn't do is drill holes so the bolts are causing the overlaps |
| 00:05.15 | ``Erik | when you actually seat a bolt in new metal, you have to drill it out... either to the outer diameter, or to the inner diameter and tap it... |
| 00:05.37 | Yoshi477 | yep that did it |
| 00:05.48 | Yoshi477 | funny mistake |
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| 00:09.40 | brlcad | Yoshi477: so now if you think about paths to regions, note that your bolt is not actually a region |
| 00:09.44 | Yoshi477 | if i added this u xslide_main.s |
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| 00:09.44 | Yoshi477 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.44 | Yoshi477 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.45 | Yoshi477 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.47 | Yoshi477 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.49 | Yoshi477 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.51 | Yoshi477 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.53 | Yoshi477 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.58 | Yoshi477 | the last 4 lines |
| 00:10.09 | Yoshi477 | that would tap them |
| 00:10.50 | brlcad | normally you only want to subtract the *shapes* and not entire regions or combinations |
| 00:10.57 | brlcad | er, assemblies |
| 00:11.10 | brlcad | subtract the *shapes" and not entire regions or assemblies |
| 00:11.31 | brlcad | so before jumping off, go back to your xslide_holddown_1.c combination |
| 00:11.47 | Yoshi477 | then i have to copy the bolt and reposition it in all places? |
| 00:12.11 | Yoshi477 | yep im back |
| 00:13.51 | brlcad | so in that object, the first one referenced is xslide_holddown.r, which looks good to me .. it's just a bunch of primitives under it |
| 00:13.59 | Yoshi477 | yep |
| 00:14.06 | brlcad | and that object is a region, seems okay so far |
| 00:14.32 | Yoshi477 | i changed the slide_holddown.r to have a - that bolt |
| 00:14.32 | brlcad | next object is flathead_M8x50.c |
| 00:14.50 | brlcad | so - flathead? |
| 00:14.53 | Yoshi477 | yep |
| 00:15.24 | brlcad | okay, that's all good, then the next issue there then is that flathead_M8x50.c is a non-region combination |
| 00:15.30 | brlcad | which is perfect for subtraction |
| 00:15.40 | brlcad | but you want a region to actually instantiate a bolt |
| 00:16.01 | Yoshi477 | change the bolt to a region? |
| 00:16.02 | brlcad | so you should make a flathead region that just has one union for flathead_M8x50.c |
| 00:16.05 | Yoshi477 | becuase its a part? |
| 00:16.08 | brlcad | no |
| 00:16.13 | brlcad | yes and no |
| 00:16.20 | brlcad | no because you're subtracting it somewhere as a shape |
| 00:16.25 | brlcad | and you should avoid subtracting regions |
| 00:16.39 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:16.41 | brlcad | so just make a new region combination that just has that one .c combination |
| 00:17.12 | brlcad | use that instead of the .c in xslide_holddown_1.c |
| 00:17.48 | brlcad | your last object (the bearings) look fine |
| 00:17.53 | Yoshi477 | so r flathead_M8x50.r u flathead_M8x50.c |
| 00:17.59 | brlcad | yeah |
| 00:18.14 | Yoshi477 | ok down |
| 00:18.15 | brlcad | then change xslide_holddown_1.c to refer to the .r instead of the .c |
| 00:18.19 | Yoshi477 | done* |
| 00:18.42 | brlcad | that way, the "shape" is used in the subtraction (good) and the region is used in the assembly (great) |
| 00:18.50 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:19.02 | Yoshi477 | so what about the holddownbearingasm |
| 00:19.05 | brlcad | not having it be a region is technically a modeling error |
| 00:19.40 | brlcad | if you had INSTEAD made it a region and just renamed it to .r, that would have also worked and been fine for the assembly, but really bad practice for the subraction |
| 00:19.59 | Yoshi477 | ok that makes sense kinda |
| 00:20.57 | brlcad | holddownbearingasm_1.c is apparently an assembly/group that refers to two objects -- another assembly/group (bearing_*.c) and a region (spacer*.r) |
| 00:21.07 | Yoshi477 | yep |
| 00:21.07 | brlcad | that bearing*.c has two regions in it, so you're good |
| 00:21.10 | Yoshi477 | and a bolt to come |
| 00:21.15 | brlcad | positive regions all the way down |
| 00:21.29 | brlcad | no overlaps |
| 00:21.32 | Yoshi477 | nope |
| 00:21.38 | Yoshi477 | rtcheck came out 0 |
| 00:22.13 | brlcad | and there you can really see, if you run "tree" |
| 00:22.23 | brlcad | there is just one region for any walk down that hierarchy |
| 00:22.53 | brlcad | no subtractions happening ABOVE the regions, also good |
| 00:23.22 | Yoshi477 | ok |
| 00:25.31 | Yoshi477 | whats the best way to subtract the flat bolts from xslide_main.r do i have to duplicate the flat*.c where i want the holes? |
| 00:27.34 | Yoshi477 | i also had an extra xslide_main.s in there |
| 00:28.32 | brlcad | yep, saw the extra |
| 00:28.55 | brlcad | you don't have to duplicate flat*.c |
| 00:29.01 | Yoshi477 | when i get rid of it the hex bolts aren't overlapping with the main now? |
| 00:29.02 | brlcad | it's a shape |
| 00:29.21 | brlcad | so you can just keep subtracting that same shape where you want |
| 00:29.31 | brlcad | you'll just apply a translation on each one being subtracted to put them into place |
| 00:29.52 | Yoshi477 | ok i got to think for a sec |
| 00:30.47 | Yoshi477 | so since i have to do that i mine as well create a rcc since that won't be tapped any ways and then make 2 rcc and sub them from main |
| 00:31.09 | brlcad | you can make combs for each subtraction that just has one u flat*.c and then move each comb into place, or use clone to make all N of them at once |
| 00:31.34 | brlcad | what you said should work too |
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| 00:31.52 | brlcad | subtracted shapes that are simpler are better anyways |
| 00:31.53 | Yoshi477 | i mine as well drill them out since thats what im going to do in real life |
| 00:32.06 | Yoshi477 | yep less code |
| 00:32.27 | brlcad | have it exactly subtracted would be a "tight fit" and generally make serious hell to the tessellator on export |
| 00:32.47 | Yoshi477 | i'll make it a thou bigger |
| 00:33.12 | Yoshi477 | im not going to export anyways |
| 00:33.18 | Yoshi477 | but its good to know |
| 00:34.01 | brlcad | "perfect" fits can also cause rendering problems for some obscure cases like the subtle dots on your bearing |
| 00:34.12 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:34.14 | Yoshi477 | ok |
| 00:34.33 | brlcad | as the hardware can't calculate perfectly, and it's not physically accurate regardless |
| 00:34.55 | brlcad | even two sheets of paper on top of each other have a little bit of "air" between them |
| 00:35.52 | Yoshi477 | yep |
| 00:36.08 | brlcad | unless it's something chemically bonded or welded, there's a gap, so good to capture that with a minute tolerance |
| 00:36.29 | brlcad | our default calculation tolerance is 0.0005mm |
| 00:36.39 | brlcad | which is practical only to about 1/1000th of a mm |
| 00:36.54 | brlcad | closer to 1/100 of a mm for some operations |
| 00:37.05 | Yoshi477 | cool |
| 00:45.38 | Yoshi477 | so i can just subtract this thread_8_30_1.25_0.67625_24.c from xslide_main.r for my taps? |
| 00:49.39 | Yoshi477 | can i say this in the comb editor - thread_8_30_1.25_0.67625_24.c rot 90 0 0 tra .5 1 3 ? |
| 00:49.49 | Yoshi477 | or how does that work |
| 01:22.57 | Yoshi477 | off to bed cya |
| 01:30.15 | brlcad | a good practice would be to make something like: g thread_hole_0.c thread_8_30_1.25_0.67625_24.c |
| 01:31.08 | brlcad | then subtract the thread_hole_0.c from xslide_main.r, comb xslide_main.r - thread_hole0.c |
| 01:31.39 | brlcad | apply a matrix edit: oed /xslide_main.r thread_hole0.c/path/to/primitive |
| 01:31.45 | brlcad | rot 90 0 0 |
| 01:31.49 | brlcad | tra .5 1 3 |
| 01:31.51 | brlcad | accept |
| 01:32.03 | brlcad | cp thread_hole0.c thread_hole1.c |
| 01:32.24 | brlcad | comb xslide_main.r - thread_hole1.c |
| 01:32.38 | brlcad | oed /xslide_main.r thread_hole1.c/path/to/prim |
| 01:32.42 | brlcad | .. etc |
| 01:33.07 | brlcad | or make the pattern with clone, put them into a comb, subtract that comb |
| 01:40.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35845 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/shade.c: sanity check for non-null shadework structure |
| 01:44.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35846 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/shade.c: minor style ws consistency cleanup |
| 01:44.22 | starseeker | growls in frustration... why isn't csgbrep happy on gentoo???? |
| 01:44.52 | starseeker | Writing an ARB4 (via NMG) brep... |
| 01:44.52 | starseeker | m_object_table[0].m_object->IsValid() = false. |
| 01:44.52 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.52 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.59 | starseeker | fails immediately |
| 01:45.12 | starseeker | must still have some stuff not being freed correctly... |
| 01:47.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35847 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/shade.c: odd func escaped de-k&nrification |
| 01:57.14 | ``Erik | *readreadread* is there any preference for a single big unioned cutter vs a bunch of simple cutters? mebbe with nmg conversion? |
| 02:06.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35848 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: make sure the functab methods are non-null before calling them. ran into ft_uv nullity during rt -k shot. |
| 02:18.50 | starseeker | hrm. even a single arb4 fails... |
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| 02:37.13 | talcite | hey guys. What's the tool to use for signal processing? |
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| 08:55.37 | brlcad | talcite_: depends what you need, there are lots of them that do different things |
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| 10:54.05 | d-lo | brlcad: I dunno which building to go to this morning! |
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| 11:32.44 | d-lo | lol. Quote from the interwebs: Today, I decided that I want to be a ninja when I grow up. I Googled "Ninja School" to see where I can be professionally trained in the art. I followed a link that said Ninja School, and the page could not be found. Well played Ninja School. You really are a professional. |
| 11:43.29 | Yoshi47 | lol |
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| 17:15.47 | ``Erik | *nap* |
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| 18:14.09 | pombreda | howdy :-) |
| 18:14.09 | pombreda | is there some way to convert SLDASM and SLDPRT SolidWorks files to BRL-CAD? |
| 18:21.50 | pombreda | http://brlcad.org/w/images/6/66/Converting_Geometry.pdf seems to provide some clue and http://brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html lets me think that there is no support yet. |
| 18:21.57 | pombreda | correct? |
| 18:24.57 | pombreda | well I'll come back later... need to run away like a bandit. shoot, the channel does not seemed logged |
| 18:25.04 | pombreda | is there a log? |
| 18:27.20 | pombreda | bbl :) |
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| 19:31.34 | kanzure | Does anyone know of an open source assembly planner? |
| 19:32.20 | pombreda | back :-) ... any answer to "(11:14:03) pombreda: is there some way to convert SLDASM and SLDPRT SolidWorks files to BRL-CAD?" ? |
| 19:33.20 | kanzure | use solidworks to export to a reasonable format |
| 19:42.10 | pombreda | kanzure: thx :-) I am such a noob ! |
| 19:45.27 | kanzure | are you? |
| 19:46.33 | pombreda | kanzure: I sure am :- |
| 19:46.56 | pombreda | kanzure: at least when it comes to cad and 3d modelling ;-) |
| 19:47.20 | pombreda | kanzure: what would that reasonable format be? |
| 19:51.07 | kanzure | step, iges |
| 19:52.53 | pombreda | curtsies to kanzure |
| 19:52.57 | pombreda | much thx |
| 19:53.36 | brlcad | hello pombreda and yes, you are correct that there is not yet support for native solidworks files |
| 19:53.44 | brlcad | but there is support for various formats that solidworks exports |
| 19:54.00 | brlcad | ~logs |
| 19:54.01 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 19:54.29 | pombreda | brlcad: awesome |
| 19:56.54 | louipc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.27 | pombreda | brlcad: it would be good to have publi info about the log: http://ibot.rikers.org/#brlcad |
| 20:10.59 | pombreda | first some people do not like being loggedd, so it is usually cool to put a chanserv msg about the logging when someone enters |
| 20:11.14 | pombreda | and second this is mighty useful :-) |
| 20:12.34 | *** topic/#brlcad by pombreda -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.8 posted (20090511) || GSoC2009 Next Step: upload your code to google, wait for shirt ;) thanks everyone! || log at http://ibot.rikers.org/#brlcad | |
| 20:13.00 | pombreda | brlcad: done in the topic, if that works for you: that shoud be good enough :-) |
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| 21:26.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35850 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_brep.cpp: Update comments. |
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| 21:39.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35851 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Add initial work on rhc->brep |
| 21:42.33 | Yoshi477 | what the status on BREP in brlcad, how much of it is there? |
| 21:43.01 | brlcad | 64.7% |
| 21:43.13 | Yoshi477 | nice |
| 21:43.35 | Yoshi477 | is that a real number? |
| 21:44.32 | brlcad | pombreda: it's in the topic from time to time, and I'm not at all really concerned about folks that don't like being logged |
| 21:44.40 | ``Erik | yes, it's even rational |
| 21:44.49 | pombreda | brlcad: :-) |
| 21:45.10 | brlcad | people need to get over it, anyone in a channel could be logging you at any time and posting their log somewhere with/without your permission |
| 21:45.15 | brlcad | it's effectively a public space |
| 21:45.44 | brlcad | fails the reasonable expectation of privacy test |
| 21:46.46 | brlcad | Yoshi477: of course it is a real number. cuarytoteen would be a fake number. |
| 21:47.23 | Yoshi477 | ok is that a number you pulled from you project planner? |
| 21:48.48 | ``Erik | had no idea that brlcad's ass was the project planner O.o suddenly want on a different project :D *duck* |
| 21:50.00 | brlcad | Yoshi477: easiest to say that raytracing is pretty much complete (which was the hardest problem), leaving tessellation, format conversion, and import/export |
| 21:50.17 | brlcad | ah, and editing eventually, but that's not even being considered at the moment |
| 21:51.01 | brlcad | all three of those (tess, conversion, and import/export via step) are being worked actively now |
| 21:51.24 | Yoshi477 | i guess i don't know the full meaning of brep then, am i using it right now? i thought i was only using CSG |
| 21:54.49 | louipc | brlcad: so you wouldn't be annoyed if you found out that a conversation you had in a park was secretly taped? |
| 21:55.38 | brlcad | technically, the wireframe representation is a form of unevaluated brep, just not a very useful one |
| 21:55.49 | brlcad | but no, you're not using it |
| 21:55.54 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 21:56.05 | Yoshi477 | so, next release? |
| 21:56.10 | Yoshi477 | example? |
| 21:56.52 | brlcad | louipc: not particularly |
| 21:58.00 | brlcad | not to say I'd be happy about it, but I have little to no basis to assume I'm not being taped |
| 21:58.16 | brlcad | (by an individual, I'd be furious if it was a government agency at any level) |
| 21:58.27 | louipc | heheh |
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| 21:59.48 | louipc | hah the gov will eavesdrop on private spaces |
| 21:59.50 | brlcad | it's just like having one's picture taken in public .. you don't have to like it but you also have no claim to not be photographed |
| 22:02.03 | brlcad | that's pretty universal at least under US law and at least for non-exploitative use, even extending to photography of children for example (there's a photography "bill of rights" that covers most of these points regarding imagery at least) |
| 22:03.28 | louipc | doesn't mean you'll enjoy being followed around by cameras |
| 22:04.51 | brlcad | sure, just nothing you can do about it (when you're in public) |
| 22:05.46 | brlcad | to the point here, though, I always laugh when I hear someone say they're concerned about logging on *IRC* of all things .. where most people are logging whether they know it or not |
| 22:06.21 | brlcad | i have almost every message logged that I've ever written or seen on irc covering like a decade or more of chatter |
| 22:07.55 | brlcad | insecure network with untrustable clients with automatic logging for most of them on what are generally considered public channels, and they have a problem being logged .. hilarious :) |
| 22:08.48 | ``Erik | (probably more the public posting than the actual logging...) |
| 22:09.05 | louipc | yea in case they say something stupid |
| 22:09.23 | louipc | or personal hah |
| 22:10.01 | brlcad | point still stands .. insecure net, untrustable clients. they're walking around downtown holding up a sign that says "don't take my picture" |
| 22:11.59 | louipc | how about those guys with cameras in their shoes? |
| 22:12.16 | ``Erik | what, japan? :D *duck* |
| 22:12.23 | louipc | hahah what? |
| 22:15.24 | brlcad | yeah, that actually went to the court in the US, and the guy got off not-guilty for taking pics up girl's skirts at a local fairground |
| 22:16.04 | brlcad | because they were outside in a public place, ruled that they had no expectation of privacy |
| 22:16.52 | brlcad | (not saying that one is "right", but it certainly reinforces the expectation of privacy test) |
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| 23:59.14 | Yoshi477 | is there an ls command to show only the objects currently drawn |
| 00:02.46 | ``Erik | probably |
| 00:03.00 | ``Erik | pulls up source and kinda hopes someone who knows more than he does answers before he gets too far into it... :D |
| 00:07.11 | ``Erik | (CTJ .. is that... paladin?) |
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| 00:08.49 | ``Erik | hrm, too much name overlap, makes grep tricky :( |
| 00:13.13 | Yoshi477 | does rtcheck make shapes? |
| 00:13.31 | Yoshi477 | soemthing keeps making copies of shapes with _01 |
| 00:14.13 | Yoshi477 | or does oed cause that? |
| 00:15.12 | ``Erik | rtcheck shouldn't alter anything, oed shouldn't generate anything new if you don't ask it to, I think? |
| 00:15.16 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't know the gui... :D |
| 00:15.31 | Yoshi477 | this is command line stuff |
| 00:15.50 | ``Erik | I see where the display list is held, now to see if there's something to walk it and return it as a string... O.o heh |
| 00:16.10 | ``Erik | um, I don't know much about mged.... if you wanna talk rt or something, or library stuff, I'm there... :D |
| 00:16.22 | Yoshi477 | ah ok |
| 00:16.53 | Yoshi477 | backend coder, i wish sometimes i could be one, and others not so much |
| 00:18.10 | ``Erik | I suppose 'backend' is one way to refer to what I do... I kinda think of myself as more of a system developer... :D closer to the hardware than the user interface... I get my jollies when I get to poke at operating system kernel code :D |
| 00:19.13 | ``Erik | I'm not seeing anything that looks like a command to print the display list :/ but I might just be missing it |
| 00:20.20 | ``Erik | ah, wait, looks like there's a duplicate list held in tcl |
| 00:21.07 | ``Erik | hrmph. mged isn't working on my laptop here :( |
| 00:21.20 | Yoshi477 | what! |
| 00:21.26 | Yoshi477 | you should be ashamed! |
| 00:21.32 | ``Erik | but the 'Display' tcl class has a method called "contents" that might be what you're looking for |
| 00:21.40 | Yoshi477 | ok i'll try |
| 00:21.48 | Yoshi477 | invalid |
| 00:21.56 | Yoshi477 | or is it ls contents |
| 00:21.59 | ``Erik | you have to refer to the instance of display |
| 00:22.20 | Yoshi477 | and how my i pretell do that? |
| 00:23.08 | ``Erik | still looking |
| 00:23.21 | ``Erik | jabs brlcad or starseeker with something pointy to see if they know |
| 00:24.28 | ``Erik | meh, there're like 3 definitions of 'display list' that confuse things heh :( |
| 00:24.44 | brlcad | 'who' shows what is currently drawn |
| 00:24.47 | Yoshi477 | well i cause patience plays in here |
| 00:24.54 | Yoshi477 | oh |
| 00:25.22 | Yoshi477 | what about the individual prims? |
| 00:25.53 | ``Erik | those'd be the things in the display lists |
| 00:28.45 | brlcad | Yoshi477: curious that you'd want or need to know the individual prims |
| 00:28.50 | brlcad | but you can find those with search |
| 00:28.56 | Yoshi477 | is there a command to like where used? so enter prim and you get what assemblies it is used in? |
| 00:28.57 | brlcad | search whatever -not -type c |
| 00:29.11 | ``Erik | brlcad: ones in the active display list? |
| 00:29.40 | brlcad | dbfind locates uses |
| 00:30.54 | ``Erik | (I see where src/tclscripts/lib/Display.tcl defines a "contents" method in the Display class, how do you invoke that from inside of mged?) |
| 00:31.05 | Yoshi477 | likes dbfind |
| 00:37.14 | brlcad | ``Erik: tclscripts/lib/* is archer guts |
| 00:37.35 | ``Erik | ohhhhhh, ok |
| 00:37.36 | brlcad | or at least old archer guts, some might not be active any longer |
| 00:37.46 | ``Erik | I saw some in libged and some in tclscripts |
| 00:37.48 | brlcad | tclscripts/mged is mged guttage |
| 00:38.18 | ``Erik | (dead code culling might be a good offsite, too) |
| 00:38.48 | brlcad | it's not used by us, but is used by s2 |
| 00:39.05 | brlcad | or at least *might* not be by us, but definitely by them |
| 00:39.05 | Yoshi477 | s2? |
| 00:39.23 | brlcad | Yoshi477: one of various software projects that links against brl-cad libs |
| 00:39.36 | Yoshi477 | opensource? |
| 00:39.40 | brlcad | nope |
| 00:39.43 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:39.47 | brlcad | there are lots of analysis codes that use br-cad |
| 00:39.50 | Yoshi477 | can i ask what it does |
| 00:40.07 | Yoshi477 | mainly? |
| 00:40.25 | ``Erik | chews up cpu and keeps button mashers employed |
| 00:40.41 | brlcad | it calculates vulnerability and lethality by performing high-energy ballistic penetration simulations |
| 00:40.51 | Yoshi477 | cool |
| 00:41.10 | Yoshi477 | so how many hours a day do you code for brlcad? |
| 00:41.17 | brlcad | 24? :) |
| 00:41.25 | brlcad | okay, 18 |
| 00:41.30 | Yoshi477 | really? |
| 00:41.35 | brlcad | gotta eat n' sleep some to sustain |
| 00:41.45 | Yoshi477 | 18? |
| 00:41.50 | Yoshi477 | you get paid 18 too! |
| 00:42.09 | ``Erik | bullshit, you code bzflag, too |
| 00:42.11 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:42.11 | brlcad | it fluctuates |
| 00:42.28 | brlcad | yeah, not just brl-cad, a few other open source projects too |
| 00:42.34 | ``Erik | is libirc dead? heh |
| 00:42.36 | Yoshi477 | i played bzflag for about a week 2 years ago |
| 00:42.44 | brlcad | ``Erik: nope, it's just "done" for now |
| 00:43.03 | ``Erik | aight, haven't heard of it being used and commits seem very infrequent |
| 00:43.04 | Yoshi477 | so the army pays you for every hour you put in? |
| 00:43.15 | brlcad | heck no |
| 00:43.26 | Yoshi477 | anything? |
| 00:43.36 | ``Erik | the paperwork to bill more than 80 hours a fortnight would be insane |
| 00:43.38 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:46.04 | ``Erik | never underestimate the insanity of gov't bureaucracy O.o |
| 00:46.27 | ``Erik | the trick is to do what you wanna do and figure out how to get someone to pay you for it |
| 00:46.38 | brlcad | Yoshi477: when one enjoys what they do, it doesn't really matter much |
| 00:46.50 | Yoshi477 | true |
| 00:47.48 | ``Erik | (have I mentioned that I hate gui coding lately?) |
| 00:47.54 | Yoshi477 | nope |
| 00:48.20 | Yoshi477 | i love gui coding, if i can do it? need lots of training for my small mind |
| 00:48.32 | ``Erik | heh, sure, do ya do mac stuff? |
| 00:48.40 | ``Erik | I have a side project that I think needs a gui |
| 00:48.47 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:48.51 | Yoshi477 | nope don't have a mac just linux |
| 00:48.53 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 00:49.02 | Yoshi477 | know some qt stuff but not much |
| 00:49.10 | Yoshi477 | some xul stuff |
| 00:49.12 | ``Erik | I happen to have qt installed on my mac |
| 00:49.41 | Yoshi477 | whats the side pro? |
| 00:50.04 | ``Erik | um, ya familiar with internet radio? shoutcast/icecast stuff? |
| 00:50.18 | Yoshi477 | not much but i know what it is |
| 00:50.24 | Yoshi477 | never use it |
| 00:50.36 | ``Erik | I want a decent source client that I can modify |
| 00:50.45 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:50.54 | ``Erik | 'muse' is a piece of shit (linux app with a halfassed carbon addon), nicecast is closed source |
| 00:51.11 | ``Erik | and those're pretty much the only two that work on the mac :/ |
| 00:51.16 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:51.29 | Yoshi477 | so you need to find a qt one |
| 00:51.43 | ``Erik | well, I'd prefer cocoa, but *shrug* |
| 00:51.58 | ``Erik | I was running around the office looking for a cocoa book yesterday heh |
| 00:53.07 | ``Erik | but qt has a native osX port, iirc, so I can't hate on it too much, even if it's c++ |
| 00:53.15 | ``Erik | gtk+ requires X :( |
| 00:53.31 | Yoshi477 | you like gtk better then qt? |
| 00:53.38 | ``Erik | code wise, yes |
| 00:53.44 | Yoshi477 | main reason... |
| 00:53.52 | ``Erik | I went from loving c++ to hating it in '96 or so |
| 00:54.10 | Yoshi477 | what did you replace it with? |
| 00:54.11 | ``Erik | it's ugly, excessively verbose, ambiguous, ... (or was in 96 or so...) |
| 00:54.12 | ``Erik | C |
| 00:54.27 | Yoshi477 | oh even more low level |
| 00:54.45 | ``Erik | I can cope with things like function pointers and "advanced" cpp macros... |
| 00:54.50 | ``Erik | hm, I'd disagree |
| 00:55.01 | Yoshi477 | oh ok |
| 00:55.15 | Yoshi477 | i wouldn't know just had basic tutorials on both of them |
| 00:55.43 | ``Erik | c++ was dandy if you have to deal with mediocre developers on the team... java takes that role now... if you have a group of competent folk, c++ and java just get in the way, imnsho :) |
| 00:55.50 | Yoshi477 | got my level 1 c++ in college thats about it |
| 00:56.11 | ``Erik | *sing* anything you can do, I can do better... :D |
| 00:56.33 | ``Erik | (early c++ was actually a macro package for C, iirc) |
| 00:56.42 | ``Erik | called "c with classes" or something |
| 00:56.56 | ``Erik | alan kay has an interesting rant on the subject :) |
| 00:57.26 | Yoshi477 | ya i knew that, |
| 00:57.28 | ``Erik | (he 'invented' object oriented... his observation is that bjarne missed the point) |
| 00:57.46 | Yoshi477 | oh well i don't get that stuff that much anyways my head hurts anytime i go into it deep |
| 00:57.48 | ``Erik | objc is sexy is a strange way, though |
| 00:58.06 | ``Erik | I'm annoyed at the inability to collapse messages, though |
| 00:58.25 | Yoshi477 | see i don't even get that! |
| 00:58.51 | ``Erik | -(void)alpha; -(void)beta:(int)i; ... I should be able to [obj alph beta:10] in my mind, but I have to [obj alpha]; [obj beta:10]; |
| 00:59.03 | ``Erik | know whut ah mean, vern? |
| 00:59.06 | Yoshi477 | ya you lost me |
| 00:59.20 | Yoshi477 | way beyond my comprehension |
| 00:59.26 | ``Erik | um, message based OO systems .. :) smalltalk ftw |
| 00:59.56 | ``Erik | [obj method]; is the objC version of obj.method(); |
| 01:00.30 | ``Erik | (vs the CLOS "(method obj)") |
| 01:01.21 | ``Erik | yes, I'm a language nerd... this is the stuff that interests me, gui's are unfun :D *duck* |
| 01:01.26 | Yoshi477 | see you lost me since i haven't use c++ qt since the spring and 2 years before that, i goes out of my mind fast, but im fine with that, got to learn brlcad and then when im done designing my CNC i can continue with FANO |
| 01:01.47 | Yoshi477 | FaNO |
| 01:02.26 | ``Erik | fano? |
| 01:02.43 | ``Erik | an overloaded word according to the almighty g00g |
| 01:03.07 | ``Erik | a guitar company, a town in italy, a district in austria, ... |
| 01:03.15 | Yoshi477 | Food and Nutritional Organizer |
| 01:03.36 | Yoshi477 | something like fitday |
| 01:03.45 | Yoshi477 | but cross platform |
| 01:03.53 | Yoshi477 | and ability to export stuff! |
| 01:04.28 | ``Erik | hum |
| 01:04.41 | ``Erik | similar to http://nut.sf.net ? |
| 01:05.24 | ``Erik | cli, but works on *nix and dos |
| 01:06.09 | ``Erik | has been learning common lisp and 'ucw' (and ajax, javascript, css, etc) with the intent of making a web variant |
| 01:06.14 | Yoshi477 | ya, but mine has recipe manager built in |
| 01:06.28 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:06.30 | ``Erik | amusing |
| 01:06.33 | Yoshi477 | and mine a GUI(qt) |
| 01:06.52 | ``Erik | <-- thinks he had pretty much the same idea, but decided web was better as a user interface layer |
| 01:07.01 | Yoshi477 | mainly going to have recipe first(doesn't suit name at first but it will) |
| 01:07.20 | ``Erik | they say great minds think alike, I guess the correlary is that feeble ones do, as well ;) |
| 01:08.15 | ``Erik | I did a fair bit of whiteboard work to come up with ways to come up with targetted recipe recommendation lists based on what ingredients you have available, what your nutritional requirements are, and what your personal preferences are |
| 01:08.44 | ``Erik | (and trying to figure out how to maintain a 'pantry' database without being invasive or difficult) |
| 01:09.13 | ``Erik | oohhhhhhh, I saw this on hn a bit ago... http://recipepuppy.com/ neat stuff :) |
| 01:09.31 | ``Erik | a bit meta, but neat |
| 01:10.07 | Yoshi477 | oh watch it google's going to buy that site |
| 01:10.22 | ``Erik | heh, that'd be cool, the dude would get his payout |
| 01:10.31 | Yoshi477 | yep |
| 01:11.12 | ``Erik | d'no if google has any interest in the cooking world... |
| 01:12.09 | ``Erik | when I visited, I got an impression of a culture that viewed food as a 'below them' aspect, the free cafeterias, "snack stations", and interest in going out to eat |
| 01:13.24 | Yoshi477 | free cafe? they have it too good |
| 01:14.15 | ``Erik | (mebbe the cafeterias were free for the gsoc mentors as a special deal... but when I visited nvidia, the cafeteria/catering was free) |
| 01:14.50 | Yoshi477 | nvidia is own by google? |
| 01:14.58 | ``Erik | no |
| 01:16.05 | ``Erik | I visited nvidia in '01, google in '08 |
| 01:16.40 | Yoshi477 | oh |
| 01:17.06 | ``Erik | when I worked at fedex, we had free tea, coffee, popcorn, etc... and vending machines where tv dinners were like a buck |
| 01:23.16 | Yoshi477 | cool |
| 01:23.26 | Yoshi477 | i would be even fatter! |
| 01:24.02 | ``Erik | heh, I gained like 50 pounds |
| 01:24.09 | Yoshi477 | ouch |
| 01:24.15 | ``Erik | and I'm a little dude |
| 01:24.24 | Yoshi477 | ya i have no will power when it comes to food |
| 01:25.56 | ``Erik | graduated college at ~135 (~60kg), boomed up to 180(~80kg) pretty quick, drifting around 150-160(~69-72kg) now |
| 01:26.27 | ``Erik | and I'm only 5'8(147cm) |
| 01:26.37 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:27.54 | louipc | I gained like 10lbs when I was in taiwan for a month haha |
| 01:28.04 | Yoshi477 | grad 150lbs college 1 year later 180, college 2year after grad 190, greenhouse work for .5 year 185 IT Support/Systems Support Analyst Job 3.5 year after grad 210, now 195 hovering |
| 01:28.11 | Yoshi477 | lowest in 3 years was 184 |
| 01:28.13 | louipc | everybody kept shoving food in my face |
| 01:28.29 | ``Erik | I think quitting soda was a big win for me |
| 01:28.34 | Yoshi477 | yep me too |
| 01:28.51 | Yoshi477 | quiting most sugars helps, and also six pack abs challenge! |
| 01:29.04 | louipc | :O |
| 01:29.52 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:30.38 | ``Erik | see, I quit drinking soda, but I drink a fair amount of beer, and like my big greaseburger and fries at lunch... and a major aversion to physical exertion, so I'm not exactly.... 'fit' :D |
| 01:31.25 | ``Erik | monitoring intake using 'nut' has changed my choices in food a fair bit, though... *shrug* mortifying looking at what ya actually shovel into your body |
| 01:33.00 | Yoshi477 | i know what you mean |
| 01:38.13 | Yoshi477 | yeah finally got all my overlaps delt with! |
| 01:39.43 | brlcad | woo hoo |
| 01:40.32 | Yoshi477 | hey brlcad if i had 6 of those hex bolts in my window wireframe would that slow down the rotation and zoom in and out, or is it just a problem on my machine? |
| 01:42.04 | Yoshi477 | maybe i need a quadro? |
| 01:42.11 | Yoshi477 | 5400 |
| 01:42.14 | Yoshi477 | lol |
| 01:42.34 | brlcad | depends just how complicated the geometry is, how many objects, how many segments, your video card, whether it's x11 or ogl, etc |
| 01:42.45 | brlcad | in general, no it shouldn't really, but certainly could |
| 01:43.00 | brlcad | especially with a lot of deep copies (from clone) instead of references |
| 01:43.37 | Yoshi477 | one sec |
| 01:45.01 | Yoshi477 | here try it out http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/d/2441-1/sweetspot_g?g2_GALLERYSID=8d870d26847034d67e6a9b58f984d434 |
| 01:45.04 | Yoshi477 | B sweetspot.c |
| 01:45.10 | ``Erik | quatro will not help you |
| 01:45.19 | Yoshi477 | really? |
| 01:45.35 | Yoshi477 | a gaming card better |
| 01:45.45 | ``Erik | glLine is not really any faster on even a good GL card than a simple svga card |
| 01:46.04 | Yoshi477 | i guess i don't know |
| 01:46.06 | ``Erik | openGL does not really buy BRL-CAD any speed at the moment |
| 01:46.19 | brlcad | getting a few fps here |
| 01:46.39 | Yoshi477 | im at .82 |
| 01:46.40 | ``Erik | % delta? |
| 01:47.20 | Yoshi477 | .74 when zooming |
| 01:47.46 | ``Erik | crap, it's september, isn't it |
| 01:47.48 | Yoshi477 | GeForce 8500 GT |
| 01:47.50 | Yoshi477 | yep it is |
| 01:47.58 | ``Erik | 2 months of paperwork :( |
| 01:48.25 | Yoshi477 | paperwork for what? two month to go? |
| 01:48.47 | ``Erik | gotta write up reports on what I have done and what I intend to do |
| 01:49.06 | Yoshi477 | for the two summer months or it will take you two months |
| 01:49.56 | Yoshi477 | don't you keep svn with ci -m" everytime you can just concat those and your done! |
| 01:50.11 | ``Erik | probably about ten hours of real work, but the annoyance kills time like a mofo, so 2 months of dev is blown |
| 01:50.37 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 01:50.44 | ``Erik | yes, the svn logs are an important part, extracting pertinant data from it is a hassle |
| 01:51.16 | ``Erik | I can't say "svn log -user erikgreenwald -dates 200810010000:200909312359" |
| 01:51.26 | ``Erik | the 'user' part is the bitch |
| 01:51.27 | Yoshi477 | why not |
| 01:51.48 | ``Erik | it's not an option in svn |
| 01:52.01 | ``Erik | (unless I'm missing it) |
| 01:52.02 | Yoshi477 | when you add a cooment you should put erik:your comment then you can easily |
| 01:52.33 | ``Erik | but when I leave a comment, I comment on what I did, not who I am... |
| 01:52.42 | Yoshi477 | you can do both |
| 01:53.01 | Yoshi477 | that way you get it out of svn |
| 01:53.10 | ``Erik | gimmea time machine so I can go back a year and inform myself to encode user information superfluously in the log message. |
| 01:53.13 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:53.15 | Yoshi477 | thats what i do at work for my task logs |
| 01:53.36 | Yoshi477 | time machine only work for future |
| 01:53.39 | ``Erik | I got data, it ain't got that encoding, I gotta generate info... |
| 01:53.50 | ``Erik | so, y'kow, |
| 01:53.53 | ``Erik | know |
| 01:53.58 | Yoshi477 | gives shotgun to ``Erik |
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| 01:56.26 | Yoshi477 | wait a minute |
| 01:56.36 | Yoshi477 | don't you svn commit under your username |
| 01:56.59 | ``Erik | yes, I do |
| 01:57.01 | ``Erik | that's my issue |
| 01:57.11 | Yoshi477 | why is that your issue? |
| 01:57.42 | ``Erik | I don't believe that svn log has any username filter |
| 01:58.19 | Yoshi477 | well we use redmine at work and when i use the svn cli after that i go to the svn section in redmine and it has what user did what commit! |
| 01:58.21 | ``Erik | dorks with it, sees a 'username' global option and may soon have egg on his fcea |
| 01:59.03 | ``Erik | no, even specifying the username, it gives me all deltas |
| 01:59.03 | Yoshi477 | so ya found it? |
| 01:59.16 | Yoshi477 | deltas? |
| 01:59.55 | ``Erik | yeah, --username seems to be ignored in log O.o |
| 01:59.59 | ``Erik | effin' r-tarded |
| 02:00.10 | Yoshi477 | umm i wonder how redmine does it |
| 02:01.43 | Yoshi477 | yep i am looking at it right now under repository in redmine i can see who the author is of the latest revision |
| 02:03.14 | starseeker | ``Erik: does this help? http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2005-02/0738.shtml |
| 02:04.14 | Yoshi477 | well im off for the nite, cya later |
| 02:04.27 | ``Erik | hasta, yoshi |
| 02:04.38 | ``Erik | starseeker: why can't svn do this by itself? |
| 02:04.59 | ``Erik | it has a fucking --username argument, why the fuck doens't it fucking work? goddamn piece of sit |
| 02:05.02 | ``Erik | shit |
| 02:05.26 | ``Erik | "lets do cvs, but better! oh, wait, lets take all the fuckups of cvs and MAKE THEM WORSE! YES! TEH WINZ!" |
| 02:05.32 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:06.00 | ``Erik | eyeballs darcs some |
| 02:06.08 | brlcad | that's the username to use to log in |
| 02:06.25 | brlcad | for rev in `svn log configure.ac | grep erik | awk '{print $1}'` ; do svn log -$rev configure.ac ; done |
| 02:06.29 | ``Erik | damnit, don't de-rail my drunken rant |
| 02:07.34 | Yoshi477 | lol |
| 02:07.38 | Yoshi477 | ok im gone now |
| 02:08.02 | ``Erik | hasta |
| 02:08.13 | louipc | erm --username is meant for authentication, not filtering |
| 02:33.49 | starseeker | ``Erik: could you import our repository into git? would that help? |
| 02:34.08 | starseeker | http://www.metaskills.net/2009/2/1/git-subversion-user-commit-reports |
| 02:39.21 | louipc | heehee :D |
| 02:40.08 | louipc | I would have said that, but brlcad would accuse me of preaching. |
| 02:50.57 | ``Erik | starseeker: ur m0m |
| 03:30.56 | starseeker | ``Erik: eh? |
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| 11:59.16 | Thingymebob | Make fails, can anyone help http://pastebin.com/d58247d7f |
| 12:02.06 | ``Erik | the actual failure seems to be omitted |
| 12:02.10 | ``Erik | ? |
| 12:03.18 | Thingymebob | ``Erik: My error, It just hung at that point, back to life now |
| 12:04.08 | ``Erik | if there is a failure in there, ya might try re-running configure with "--enable-all" |
| 12:04.39 | ``Erik | the tcl/tk check probably needs some lovin' to make sure the system variant is recent enough :/ |
| 12:43.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35852 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: |
| 12:43.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Fixed illegal coersions of ON_BezierCurves * into ON_Curve * which was causing |
| 12:43.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: segfaults. WalkIntersection now returns its result as an ON_NurbsCurve cast as |
| 12:43.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: an ON_Curve instead of as ON_BezierCurves, the curves are still identical |
| 14:46.03 | ``Erik | teh fux? a billy mays commercial? heh |
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| 16:28.16 | kanzure | hi all |
| 16:28.26 | kanzure | anyone know of any open source assembly planner? |
| 16:38.17 | ``Erik | that sounds... awfully specialized? |
| 16:45.01 | ``Erik | huh, this tv show thinks the bismark was scuttled |
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| 17:26.16 | kanzure | is there a way to figure out the regions in a dot g file? is there a shell utility that will list them for me? |
| 17:27.16 | brlcad | mged -c test.g search / -type r |
| 17:27.53 | kanzure | invalid command name "search" |
| 17:28.10 | brlcad | your version is too old |
| 17:28.22 | kanzure | 7.8 ? |
| 17:28.42 | brlcad | wow, that is ancient |
| 17:28.55 | kanzure | that's what's on the download page |
| 17:29.05 | kanzure | gets the svn version |
| 17:29.12 | brlcad | binary platforms aren't updated very frequently (you |
| 17:29.20 | brlcad | (you're more than welcome to provide an update) |
| 17:29.53 | kanzure | okay |
| 17:30.36 | kanzure | maybe I should just ask before I bother, but, |
| 17:30.46 | kanzure | I'm trying to convert from DXF to STEP or IGES. is this going to happen? |
| 17:31.04 | kanzure | HeeksCAD doesn't seem to do it at all, so I'm trying brlcad |
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| 17:43.00 | Yoshi477 | kanzure, you can get a 30day trial from varicad |
| 17:45.53 | brlcad | depends on what is in the dxf file, but you should be able to run dxf-g and g-iges to convert |
| 17:45.53 | brlcad | we don't have a step exporter yet |
| 17:46.33 | Yoshi477 | kanzure, or you can upload and someone here might offer to do it for you |
| 17:47.39 | kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/belt-clamp.3d.DXF that would be awesome :) |
| 17:47.47 | Yoshi477 | i'll give it a shot |
| 17:49.03 | kanzure | thank you :) |
| 17:50.18 | brlcad | what is in that dxf? |
| 17:50.28 | Yoshi477 | i only got a 2d profile of something |
| 17:51.08 | kanzure | it's supposedly a 3d model |
| 17:51.16 | brlcad | yeah, export of non-solid entities isn't going to fly |
| 17:51.21 | kanzure | when I open it up in HeeksCAD, it's a "3d sketch" whatever the hell that is |
| 17:51.24 | kanzure | hrm |
| 17:51.32 | kanzure | well the other option here is for me to extrude an svg file |
| 17:51.37 | kanzure | heekscad crashes when attempting to do that, however |
| 17:51.40 | Yoshi477 | one sec |
| 17:51.43 | kanzure | (there's a common theme) |
| 17:51.45 | Yoshi477 | my varicad might not be expired |
| 17:52.04 | kanzure | the svg is located here: http://contraptor.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/contraptor/tags/contraptor-1.5.0/components/belt-clamp/ |
| 17:52.25 | brlcad | yeah, it is a 3d sketch .. that's just a planar object |
| 17:52.35 | kanzure | grr |
| 17:52.41 | kanzure | the author made it originally in google sketchup |
| 17:52.47 | kanzure | which is completely useless as far as I'm concerned |
| 17:53.47 | Yoshi477 | varicad imported it as a 2d just like brlcad did, are you sure its a 3d file? |
| 17:54.01 | kanzure | no not at all |
| 17:54.01 | brlcad | it's not a valid extrusion sketch |
| 17:54.03 | kanzure | can it be extruded? |
| 17:54.07 | kanzure | hm |
| 17:54.10 | Yoshi477 | yeah |
| 17:54.25 | brlcad | i extruded it in brl-cad, but it's got non-closed loops |
| 17:54.26 | Yoshi477 | but it look like there is a gear on the one side |
| 17:54.39 | kanzure | hmph. |
| 17:54.45 | kanzure | maybe this isn't worth our time |
| 17:54.48 | kanzure | sorry to bug you guys |
| 17:54.55 | Yoshi477 | np |
| 17:55.06 | Yoshi477 | kinda was curious to see the 3d |
| 17:55.09 | kanzure | "contraptor" is an "open hardware" project that has dimensions/specs for various components like beams and angled brackets |
| 17:55.19 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 17:55.20 | kanzure | but since it doesn't provide any usable CAD models, screw it |
| 17:55.29 | kanzure | what's the point? |
| 17:55.34 | kanzure | why would you put effort into something completely unusable |
| 17:55.42 | kanzure | am I missing something? |
| 17:56.09 | kanzure | anyway, I was asking earlier today about writing an assembly planner |
| 17:56.13 | kanzure | was wondering if anyone in here has experience with those |
| 17:57.17 | Yoshi477 | nope |
| 17:57.27 | Yoshi477 | but i work with people who use pro/e |
| 17:57.34 | kanzure | does pro/e do that? |
| 17:57.56 | kanzure | assembly planners are used to generate instructions and sequences of operations for physically moving around parts to a CAD model to make it happen in the shop |
| 17:58.08 | kanzure | sometimes spitting out human readable instructions |
| 17:58.12 | kanzure | sometimes spitting out robot crap |
| 17:58.40 | Yoshi477 | oh, i think it does that but they don |
| 17:58.42 | Yoshi477 | t use it |
| 17:58.47 | kanzure | the trick though is somehow avoiding order n**2 collision detection between all of the parts |
| 17:59.17 | kanzure | (to check for collision-free insertion motions) |
| 18:00.47 | Yoshi477 | what would boost the usage of brlcad would be integrated g-code exporter |
| 18:01.13 | kanzure | yeah I can't read g-code much heh |
| 18:01.40 | Yoshi477 | wel anyways im off for the afternoon, cya guy tonight maybe |
| 18:10.19 | ``Erik | ´/clear |
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| 18:49.32 | ``Erik | hm |
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| 19:26.46 | starseeker | kanzure: at a guess, the contraptor project looks like it's not mature yet |
| 19:27.05 | starseeker | their web page appears to be a default sourceforge page, for the most part |
| 19:27.48 | starseeker | generally speaking, open source CAD tools have a ways to go |
| 19:41.21 | starseeker | wonders how he can justify buying an N900... |
| 19:52.44 | kanzure | starseeker: nah the real web page is somewhere else apparently |
| 19:52.53 | kanzure | goes back to hating everything and everyone |
| 19:53.33 | starseeker | these guys? http://www.garagefab.cc/contraptor/what-is-it |
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| 22:21.51 | kanzure | yes |
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| 00:04.04 | Yoshi477 | starseeker, i have a N810 |
| 00:21.27 | starseeker | Yoshi477: cool - how do you like it? |
| 00:21.36 | Yoshi477 | i like it alot |
| 00:21.51 | Yoshi477 | if i had money i would wish for 3g on it! |
| 00:21.59 | Yoshi477 | gps does what i want it to do, |
| 00:22.05 | starseeker | sweet |
| 00:22.08 | Yoshi477 | browser not bad for speed |
| 00:22.12 | Yoshi477 | email pretty good |
| 00:22.19 | Yoshi477 | wireless conect real good |
| 00:22.23 | Yoshi477 | games good |
| 00:22.27 | Yoshi477 | can run scummvm |
| 00:22.39 | Yoshi477 | low memory not nice though |
| 00:22.52 | starseeker | nods |
| 00:22.54 | Yoshi477 | and it can't play flac! |
| 00:23.20 | Yoshi477 | mounts smb and nfs good |
| 00:23.45 | Yoshi477 | mplayer is nice on it, although can skip on movement scenes on fullscreen |
| 00:23.54 | Yoshi477 | so i watch not in full screen and it seems to be better |
| 00:24.10 | Yoshi477 | i don't know about the n900 though |
| 00:24.27 | Yoshi477 | does it use skype for calls or does it actually work on the phone company! |
| 00:25.01 | Yoshi477 | 600 euros! |
| 00:25.08 | Yoshi477 | thats like 800 CAD |
| 00:25.11 | Yoshi477 | if not 900 |
| 00:25.35 | Yoshi477 | how much does an iphone cost out there |
| 00:35.41 | Yoshi477 | anyways cya, |
| 00:35.52 | Yoshi477 | im looking at Mer for the N810, looks cool, |
| 02:03.06 | starseeker | Yoshi477: sorry, doing things |
| 02:06.23 | starseeker | yeah, phones are expensive when you don't get them subsidized |
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| 15:03.16 | yukonbob | Yoshi477: n810 was being blown out by Amazon for less than 300 lately; n900 is out now... |
| 15:03.54 | yukonbob | sees than Yoshi477 knows the n900 is out :P |
| 15:04.19 | starseeker | yukonbob: where are you seeing < 300? I'm seeing over $400 here |
| 15:04.39 | yukonbob | hrmm... few weeks ago I -bought- one for < 300 |
| 15:04.49 | yukonbob | was at amazon.co |
| 15:04.52 | starseeker | is jealous |
| 15:04.59 | yukonbob | *.com |
| 15:05.17 | starseeker | there are a couple used ones for < 300... |
| 15:05.34 | yukonbob | had to have a friend in US receive it, because amazon wouldn't ship to Canada, and amazon.ca didn't carry it. |
| 15:06.18 | Yoshi477 | i got an invisiable shield on mine! |
| 15:06.53 | yukonbob | !Gah --- they're showing as $500 now |
| 15:07.08 | yukonbob | too bad :( |
| 15:07.09 | starseeker | If the N900 is a phone too, I'm going to have to start working on ways to justify getting one |
| 15:07.22 | starseeker | Nokia deserves support for what they're doing |
| 15:08.12 | yukonbob | starseeker: it is |
| 15:08.50 | starseeker | not an open hardware phone of course, but certainly a step in the right direction |
| 15:09.40 | yukonbob | no, not an openmoko, but largely open platform *(OS-wise) |
| 15:10.18 | yukonbob | "Maemo" linux + Gtk ("Hildon") in a "Fremantle" window manager |
| 15:10.59 | starseeker | and they're going with Qt for the N900? |
| 15:11.39 | yukonbob | oops -- "Fremantle" != wm -- is code name for Maemon v5 |
| 15:12.01 | yukonbob | starseeker: I believe it's still Gtk for n900 |
| 15:12.32 | Yoshi477 | looking to get this first! http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/servlet/ProductDetailDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=1002947 |
| 15:13.01 | yukonbob | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle#Changes |
| 15:13.35 | starseeker | Ooo, an openmoko for $250... |
| 15:14.07 | yukonbob | L00nucks journal had a review of the OpenMoko few months ago, and said the phone basically sucks. |
| 15:14.27 | yukonbob | it was a neat hacking platform, but the call quality was poor |
| 15:14.28 | starseeker | yeah, I know |
| 15:14.36 | yukonbob | and the stylus was laughable |
| 15:14.39 | starseeker | that's REALLY too bad |
| 15:14.43 | yukonbob | nods |
| 15:14.52 | starseeker | if they would just do a good phone, I don't care about all the gizmos |
| 15:15.07 | yukonbob | I was following the OpenMoko project for some time, and thought it would be my entrance into this new size of computing |
| 15:15.11 | yukonbob | *new to me |
| 15:15.11 | starseeker | "do one thing, do it right - the Unix phone, the Unix way" |
| 15:15.16 | yukonbob | heh |
| 15:15.40 | starseeker | wants one anyway for the sheer novelty |
| 15:16.02 | starseeker | take it into a Verizon Wireless store and see if there's a matter/antimatter reaction |
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| 15:18.19 | starseeker | if they could just get a good phone going, someone could start up a nonprofit organization to spread wireless coverage equipment and do cell phone and internet data via phone right |
| 15:21.06 | yukonbob | that's what /me hoped to tap into w/ the n810 (mind-you, only with wireless, not cellular)... n900 next. |
| 15:21.45 | yukonbob | starseeker: how's it going, by the way -- haven't talked for some time ;) |
| 15:22.03 | starseeker | going good - just got new house, so preparing to move |
| 15:22.16 | yukonbob | !w00t |
| 15:22.25 | starseeker | projects galore :-/ |
| 15:22.55 | starseeker | house has, among other details, bad wood paneling and a mirror wall downstairs |
| 15:23.12 | yukonbob | you mean house projects, a la dry walling, new fixtures, painting, etc.? |
| 15:23.16 | starseeker | carpet everywhere, relatively cheap finishings |
| 15:23.19 | starseeker | yep |
| 15:23.31 | yukonbob | great. |
| 15:23.45 | starseeker | 'course, if it were better finished we couldn't have afforded it |
| 15:23.54 | yukonbob | has had a few of those (and continues to have them) for last few years |
| 15:24.10 | starseeker | as it is it's in a decent location neighborhood, so only the downturn let us in even now |
| 15:24.51 | yukonbob | sounds like a good purchase: get the worst house in the best neighbourhood |
| 15:24.58 | starseeker | will go for the "sweat equity" approach to house redo |
| 15:25.04 | yukonbob | nods |
| 15:25.06 | starseeker | yeah, pretty much |
| 15:25.24 | yukonbob | starseeker: what city? |
| 15:25.50 | starseeker | not that it's a bad house - my favorites when we were hunting were a farm house with the floor sagging in the middle and a house so trashed my fiance and I had to go back outside |
| 15:25.54 | starseeker | Fallston, MD |
| 15:26.34 | starseeker | our realtor was brave and went downstairs in the latter house - came out looking a bit pale |
| 15:26.41 | yukonbob | heh |
| 15:27.03 | yukonbob | starseeker: were you living in eastern Canada before? |
| 15:27.10 | starseeker | nope, Baltimre |
| 15:27.16 | starseeker | er Baltimore |
| 15:27.17 | yukonbob | hrmm |
| 15:27.26 | yukonbob | wonders why I associated you with Canada |
| 15:27.32 | yukonbob | oh well |
| 15:27.34 | starseeker | raises eyebrow |
| 15:28.00 | starseeker | dunno - maybe I'm not conservative enough to be seen as US? ;-P |
| 15:28.10 | yukonbob | == Canada; if you need a western CAD address to crash, lemme know ;) |
| 15:28.17 | yukonbob | starseeker: hehe |
| 15:29.06 | starseeker | Fallson on the whole is seen as a "good" place to live, so a lot of folks didn't bother doing much updating to their decor |
| 15:29.41 | starseeker | folks we bought from got caught by the downturn, I'm sure - traditionally they would have gotten a pretty penny for this place without doing any updating |
| 15:30.14 | starseeker | as it was, they were on the market a year without any offers |
| 15:30.24 | starseeker | that's a good position to be in as a buyer :-) |
| 15:31.15 | yukonbob | nods |
| 15:31.35 | starseeker | I attempted to follow my training and look past the superficial |
| 15:31.35 | yukonbob | that housing downturn was not so present in Canada, in my experience. |
| 15:31.53 | yukonbob | housing sales/starts down, but prices didn't fall too much. |
| 15:32.01 | yukonbob | best side effect was lower interest rates |
| 15:32.07 | starseeker | well, that's a blessing |
| 15:32.32 | starseeker | in the US, there were a few super overheated areas and a general insane price climb |
| 15:33.01 | starseeker | East Coast has always sucked, but Arizona (of all places) really went nuts for a while |
| 15:33.50 | starseeker | knew not to buy as soon as he saw a news article saying mortgage companies were looking for creative new ways to get people loans and get them into houses |
| 15:34.31 | starseeker | they deserve to get smacked, the problem is they're dragging down the whole economy with 'em |
| 15:35.14 | starseeker | loves it when he hears a radio show saying "we only lost 200,000 jobs this month - the rate is slowing!" |
| 15:35.42 | starseeker | uh, yeah - 'cause they're running out of jobs to cut |
| 15:48.16 | Yoshi477 | == southern ontario! if someone need to pitch a tent! |
| 16:26.42 | yukonbob | Yoshi477: where? |
| 16:26.53 | yukonbob | was of Toronto for ~2.5 years |
| 16:27.00 | Yoshi477 | fergus! |
| 16:30.50 | yukonbob | <-- doesn't know where that is -- will need to break out a map ;) |
| 16:32.31 | Yoshi477 | north of guelph |
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| 23:27.55 | PcWarlock | hi all |
| 23:28.29 | louipc | yo |
| 23:29.01 | PcWarlock | - Ghost |
| 23:29.09 | PcWarlock | ggsdf |
| 23:29.18 | louipc | mmhm |
| 23:30.29 | PcWarlock | hi |
| 23:30.33 | PcWarlock | how r u |
| 23:30.53 | louipc | good. how are you? |
| 23:31.32 | PcWarlock | thanks |
| 23:31.39 | PcWarlock | fine |
| 23:31.49 | PcWarlock | where r u from |
| 23:32.46 | louipc | canada |
| 23:32.55 | PcWarlock | well |
| 23:39.30 | PcWarlock | -cmuse |
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| 23:47.22 | cmuse | hi all |
| 23:47.52 | cmuse | why not anybody say something |
| 23:47.54 | cmuse | ? |
| 23:48.10 | cmuse | :) |
| 23:49.00 | louipc | sleepy |
| 23:49.33 | cmuse | yes |
| 23:49.35 | cmuse | :) |
| 00:29.48 | cmuse | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.59 | louipc | cmuse: kind of |
| 00:37.21 | cmuse | dont understand |
| 00:37.45 | Yoshi477 | cmuse, hes drinking! |
| 00:38.12 | cmuse | :) |
| 00:38.14 | cmuse | no |
| 00:38.44 | cmuse | why? |
| 00:39.07 | Yoshi477 | cause he has to answer so many of my questions! |
| 00:39.37 | cmuse | :) |
| 00:39.41 | cmuse | ok |
| 00:41.46 | cmuse | why r u be there? |
| 00:45.16 | brlcad | hello |
| 00:45.20 | Yoshi477 | hello |
| 00:46.42 | cmuse | hi |
| 00:46.48 | cmuse | h r u? |
| 00:48.23 | brlcad | cmuse: i'm fine thanks, did you need help with something or just hanging out? |
| 00:49.10 | cmuse | yes |
| 00:49.25 | cmuse | i want to join this project |
| 00:49.37 | brlcad | that wasn't a yes/no question :) |
| 00:49.42 | Yoshi477 | cmuse, in what way? |
| 00:51.23 | ``Erik | heh, wow, the original snow leopard photo has a little blood around the mouth, so apple decided to clean it up? heh nutty |
| 00:51.46 | Yoshi477 | eh? |
| 00:52.25 | cmuse | in c++ |
| 00:52.57 | cmuse | you want to me something and i do |
| 00:53.13 | Yoshi477 | what country you from, your english seems a little off |
| 00:53.24 | cmuse | Turkey |
| 00:53.28 | Yoshi477 | or your like me and failed english in school |
| 00:53.30 | Yoshi477 | ah |
| 00:53.31 | Yoshi477 | cool |
| 00:53.50 | cmuse | yes failed |
| 00:53.53 | Yoshi477 | do you know what a pointer is? |
| 00:54.25 | cmuse | yes |
| 00:54.45 | Yoshi477 | ok you passed the priliminary exam, brlcad would you answer this guys question? |
| 00:55.26 | ``Erik | the 'tracker' at sourceforge is full of potential ideas for something to do |
| 00:55.47 | brlcad | he's not actually posed a question |
| 00:55.52 | Yoshi477 | there you go, first step g-code exporter! lol |
| 00:56.04 | Yoshi477 | brlcad, true, |
| 00:56.06 | brlcad | cmuse: well you're quite welcome to get involved .. I'd suggest starting with something really basic that interests you |
| 00:56.42 | brlcad | fixing bugs is always a good starting point |
| 00:57.30 | brlcad | helps familiarize with code so you can contribute more effectively down the road |
| 00:58.14 | cmuse | ok |
| 00:59.23 | cmuse | guys |
| 00:59.38 | cmuse | thanks to your help |
| 00:59.55 | Yoshi477 | so you interested in math? |
| 01:00.58 | cmuse | of course |
| 01:01.04 | cmuse | i like it |
| 01:01.07 | Yoshi477 | ok |
| 01:01.15 | Yoshi477 | my head hurts when i use math |
| 01:01.29 | Yoshi477 | i get a headache |
| 01:01.53 | Yoshi477 | and i have ADHD |
| 01:02.08 | Yoshi477 | which is slowly phasing out but still there |
| 01:02.10 | cmuse | possible |
| 01:02.31 | Yoshi477 | what kinda sys you running? |
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| 01:05.04 | cmuse | pls explain? |
| 01:09.03 | Yoshi477 | system, m$, mac, nix, type writer? |
| 01:16.14 | cmuse | nix |
| 01:18.40 | cmuse | i said nix, heard me? |
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| 01:26.35 | louipc | kde hehe |
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| 21:17.13 | ``Erik | hmmmm |
| 21:17.20 | ``Erik | noms his steak |
| 21:44.27 | brlcad | had steak earlier |
| 21:44.44 | brlcad | salt cured for 24 hours, delish |
| 21:54.53 | ``Erik | pound and a half given a rub of garlic and montreal steak salt, a large helping of green beans and a box of 'natures promise' mac&cheese (with extra cheese added). I'm feeling a bit rolly and a bunch polly |
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| 22:07.50 | Ralith | hey guys |
| 22:07.53 | Ralith | been settling into college |
| 22:11.44 | ``Erik | classes started yet? or just getting the dorm room together and all the crap out of th eway? |
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| 23:01.46 | Ralith | ``Erik: been orientationing all week, classes start tomorrow |
| 23:01.52 | Ralith | spent today getting more set up, relaxing |
| 23:18.06 | ``Erik | cool |
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| 23:20.11 | brlcad | howdy Ralith |
| 23:21.57 | Ralith | only just now getting time to get my irssi reconfiged ;_; |
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| 12:53.59 | brlcad | yawns and soaks up some caffeine |
| 12:56.21 | Yoshi47 | thats a good idea |
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| 13:06.33 | Yoshi47 | thats hits the spot |
| 13:07.57 | ``Erik | would recommend against putting hot coffee on your "spot"... |
| 13:08.19 | Yoshi47 | thanks for that |
| 13:09.04 | Yoshi47 | in this boolean what specifies the rotation? u hexbolt_M8x55.c1 0 0 -25.4 0 6.123031769112e-17 -1 60.325 0 1 6.123031769112e-17 12.7 0 0 0 1 |
| 13:12.34 | brlcad | it's a 4x4 homogeneous matrix |
| 13:12.52 | Yoshi47 | nice you just blew over my head |
| 13:13.17 | Yoshi47 | do i have read more? |
| 13:14.05 | brlcad | basically it's one mathematical matrix that specifies translations, rotations, and scaling all in one |
| 13:14.33 | Yoshi47 | ya, im reading up on it. |
| 13:14.35 | Yoshi47 | give me a sec |
| 13:14.40 | Yoshi47 | and i'll be back |
| 13:14.40 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_matrix |
| 13:14.43 | Yoshi47 | thanks |
| 13:15.09 | brlcad | it's easy to derive the translation as it's just a column, but once you apply a rotation, it gets a little tricky |
| 13:15.22 | brlcad | scaling is similarly trivial, down the diagonal |
| 13:16.38 | brlcad | e.g., if you saw 1 0 100 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 that would be a translation 100 units down the X axis |
| 13:17.10 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 13:17.19 | brlcad | and if you saw 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 that would be an object scaled 2x |
| 13:17.25 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 13:17.33 | ``Erik | row major representation |
| 13:17.57 | ``Erik | imagines that screwed with folk back when fortran was really common |
| 13:18.27 | Yoshi47 | so my next question is when ihave that part comb inside another comb can i edit the with oed the hexbolt.c just for the one comb or will it affect all combs that it is in? |
| 13:18.57 | ``Erik | it'll only twist the matrix of the comb you specified |
| 13:19.26 | ``Erik | if you want things to modify stuff down the line, 'push' and 'xpush' do that after you've oed'd it |
| 13:20.13 | brlcad | when you use oed, you specify a "right hand" and "left hand" side of a path .. where you split left and right sides is where the matrix goes |
| 13:20.15 | Yoshi47 | so how do i only edit the hexbolt for this assmebly? xslide_yslackadjasm_1.c/hexbolt_M8x55.c/ |
| 13:20.39 | Yoshi47 | so oed /xslide_yslackadjasm_1.c/hexbolt_M8x55.c/ xslide_yslackadjasm_1.c/hexbolt_M8x55.c/ |
| 13:20.45 | brlcad | no |
| 13:20.59 | brlcad | it's just one, like a filesystem path |
| 13:21.12 | brlcad | /xslide_yslackadjasm_1.c/hexbolt_M8x55.c/path/all/the/way/to/some/primitive |
| 13:21.26 | brlcad | then you *split* that somewhere |
| 13:21.30 | brlcad | like |
| 13:21.40 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.44 | Yoshi47 | but that edits the whole comb, or can i specify just to move the hexbolt? |
| 13:21.50 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 13:21.54 | Yoshi47 | i think im getting it |
| 13:22.15 | brlcad | that means i'm intending to apply a matrix to the hexbolt_M8x55.c referenced in xslide_yslackadjasm_1.c |
| 13:22.37 | brlcad | not all hexbolt_M8x55.c's, just the one |
| 13:22.53 | Yoshi47 | cool |
| 13:22.56 | Yoshi47 | i think i get it now, |
| 13:23.05 | brlcad | if I wanted all of them, I'd either do /xslide_yslackadjasm_1.c/hexbolt_M8x55.c path/all/the/way/to/some/primitive |
| 13:23.08 | brlcad | or just |
| 13:23.28 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.47 | Yoshi47 | ok |
| 13:23.51 | Yoshi47 | that helps, thanks |
| 13:23.54 | brlcad | "/" as the left hand side is effectively a special case |
| 13:24.14 | brlcad | the oed tutorial covers in a lot more detail |
| 13:24.31 | Yoshi47 | ya, im bad i only skimmed over it, i should go through it again |
| 13:24.35 | brlcad | including why the (hell) you have to specify the path to a primitive |
| 13:24.53 | Yoshi47 | reference point, no? |
| 13:25.01 | brlcad | yeah .. implementation detail, it's the anchor point |
| 13:25.09 | brlcad | rotation point |
| 13:25.11 | Yoshi47 | yep figured that one out |
| 13:25.17 | Yoshi47 | makes sense |
| 13:25.29 | brlcad | combinations have no natural reference point as they're implicit |
| 13:26.16 | brlcad | in the future, we might make it the center of their bounding box or something similar |
| 13:28.22 | Yoshi47 | that would be a handy thing! lots of people would like that |
| 13:30.18 | brlcad | sounds simple enough, but there's actually a surprising bit under the hood that would need to change to support that |
| 13:36.25 | ``Erik | cuts away a very slight curve from a cube by subtractive a huge sphere... then wonders why the center of the bounding box is far far away from the final geometry O:-) |
| 13:43.27 | Yoshi47 | just ignore any subtractions |
| 13:52.51 | ``Erik | except if you subtract a combination that has a subtraction in it, that double negative makes it an adder |
| 13:52.52 | brlcad | the same holds for intersections |
| 13:54.42 | brlcad | it'll still result in unintuitive keypoints until boolean evaluation, which is part why it's non-trivial .. but even using bounding boxes it's still a bit of work |
| 13:57.00 | brlcad | consider a (0,0,0)->(100,100,100) cube that is shifted slightly in the x-dir and subtracted (leaving a thin plate) -- whether you ignore the subtraction or not, it'll result in a keypoint at roughly (50,50,50) |
| 13:57.13 | brlcad | no where near the evaluated geometry |
| 13:57.19 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 13:57.22 | Yoshi47 | so true |
| 13:58.34 | brlcad | you really want the bounding box of the evaluated result, but evaluating implicit booleans isn't quick or easy or directly possible (but becomes possible with a hybrid system) |
| 13:59.07 | brlcad | even better, the center of mass, but that's even more expensive to evaluate |
| 14:01.07 | brlcad | ``Erik: and that only happens in a pure boolean system, not with csg (subtracting something with a negative doesn't invert that negative space) |
| 14:10.15 | ``Erik | there is that complication, but it's not clean like a pure boolean *shrug* |
| 14:10.27 | ``Erik | (anyways, it's not as simple as "just ignore subtractions") |
| 14:10.41 | Yoshi47 | got it |
| 14:49.14 | ``Erik | ghostriding an mrap.. wow... I didn't think people that r-tarded could enlist anymore |
| 14:50.56 | starseeker | starts in shock - the Ayam dude has implemented the Subdivision NURBS stuff from SIGGRAPH |
| 14:51.19 | starseeker | we really need to get him to merge his stuff with BRL-CAD :-) |
| 14:52.41 | starseeker | holy cow |
| 14:53.17 | Yoshi47 | where? |
| 14:53.45 | ``Erik | plenty of holy cow's in india, I believe |
| 14:53.52 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 14:54.09 | ``Erik | or were ya asking about http://ayam.sf.net ? |
| 14:54.24 | Yoshi47 | nope expecting your reply, lol |
| 14:54.29 | Yoshi47 | i already looked that up |
| 14:55.04 | ``Erik | mmmm delux dietyburger with cheese |
| 14:55.06 | ``Erik | *drool* |
| 14:55.12 | starseeker | http://ayam.sourceforge.net/news.html |
| 14:55.28 | ``Erik | is going to be reincarnated as a jock strap at this rate |
| 15:04.22 | d-lo | thats a dismal fate if I've ever heard one.... |
| 15:04.47 | starseeker | oh, I see - he's actually linking to the GPL code for the snurbs part |
| 15:04.54 | starseeker | poop |
| 15:06.30 | starseeker | still neat, but not something we can use directly |
| 15:06.46 | starseeker | oh well - we would have had to implement snurbs as a primitive anyhow |
| 15:16.02 | Yoshi47 | is there autocomplete feature in mged CLI? |
| 15:17.42 | starseeker | you mean tab completion? I think that's just in MGED Tcl/Tk currently |
| 15:24.57 | Yoshi47 | yes, wheres that? |
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| 15:48.52 | louipc | there's tab completion in classic mode |
| 15:52.23 | brlcad | there is, but there are some issues with it in classic (either works or it doesn't of course) |
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| 16:57.48 | ``Erik | *burp* good old korean |
| 16:58.50 | KingofCSU | Hello everyone I am new to BrlCAD. How to learn it? |
| 16:59.11 | brlcad | KingofCSU: hello, start with the "Introduction to MGED" on the website |
| 16:59.22 | brlcad | and it's "BRL-CAD", not BrlCAD ;) |
| 17:00.13 | KingofCSU | I have see it and I think it is hard to make complex things |
| 17:00.26 | KingofCSU | by using CSG |
| 17:05.10 | KingofCSU | it is said there is Brep in BRL-CAD . where is it? |
| 17:05.30 | brlcad | it's currently under development |
| 17:05.39 | KingofCSU | oh |
| 17:05.50 | brlcad | CSG isn't harder, it's just very different |
| 17:06.04 | Ralith | KingofCSU: there are some very impressive proofs of this, if you'd like ^^ |
| 17:06.24 | KingofCSU | ? so |
| 17:06.34 | brlcad | a good csg modeler is generally just as productive as a modeler using brep approaches |
| 17:06.58 | brlcad | there are tradeoffs to both and shapes that lend themselves strongly to both |
| 17:07.03 | KingofCSU | I am trying to learn the CSG |
| 17:07.28 | Ralith | brlcad: did you ever render that impeller with the metal shader? |
| 17:07.32 | brlcad | the tutorial series is the place to start, the learning curve is steep at first, but it gets a lot easier |
| 17:07.34 | Yoshi47 | ? |
| 17:07.43 | Yoshi47 | chrome! |
| 17:07.54 | brlcad | Ralith: heh, I did but don't have it on hand at the moment |
| 17:07.58 | Ralith | kk |
| 17:08.04 | Yoshi47 | i do! |
| 17:08.07 | Ralith | :D |
| 17:08.18 | brlcad | but you remind me that I had another going over the weekend |
| 17:08.25 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 17:08.27 | Ralith | Yoshi47: incidentally, did you ever write that walkthrough? |
| 17:08.51 | Yoshi47 | going to be doing that soon, i have a couple of projects that need to get done first this week |
| 17:09.08 | Yoshi47 | i will redo it from scratch and write the how to as i go along |
| 17:09.17 | Ralith | cool :D |
| 17:09.20 | KingofCSU | I am Chinese . poor English . lol |
| 17:09.21 | Ralith | that'll be fun to read |
| 17:09.22 | Yoshi47 | there is a couple areas i can improve on since i learnt more over the last few weeks |
| 17:09.40 | Ralith | thinks it wouldn't hurt to be more familiar with mged as he plays with g3d |
| 17:10.30 | Yoshi47 | fun to read? |
| 17:10.38 | KingofCSU | brlcad: What should i do when i finish the the tutorial series? |
| 17:10.47 | Yoshi47 | go over them again |
| 17:10.48 | Ralith | Yoshi47: fun to read and model |
| 17:11.23 | Yoshi47 | ya, should be fun to writw |
| 17:11.25 | KingofCSU | Ok I will go over them . did them cover all things? |
| 17:11.26 | Yoshi47 | *write |
| 17:11.51 | Ralith | KingofCSU: it covers enough to start with, certainly. |
| 17:12.06 | KingofCSU | any other thing to improve? |
| 17:12.36 | Yoshi47 | practice making stuff on your desk |
| 17:12.41 | Yoshi47 | and assemblies |
| 17:13.00 | Yoshi47 | choose something simple cause it will be hard at first |
| 17:13.22 | KingofCSU | Yoshi47: That is a good idea. I will try and thanks a lot for answer my Q? |
| 17:14.26 | Yoshi47 | yep, no problem, im a newbie just like you, only been doing it for month, and if you look on more.brlcad.org you can see my bearing i did |
| 17:14.43 | Yoshi47 | although not render nicely yet |
| 17:15.27 | KingofCSU | One more Q. how to snap to something. It is hard to put something to a place exactly without the "p" comment? |
| 17:15.49 | Yoshi47 | i haven't tried snapping yet |
| 17:15.56 | Yoshi47 | but there is snap to grid |
| 17:16.47 | KingofCSU | I see. I mean just like the 'blender' to snap a solid to a point or a midle of a solid just like that |
| 17:17.34 | Yoshi47 | nope not that i have found and im pretty sure it doesn't exist right now |
| 17:19.04 | KingofCSU | I follow the tutorial to make a goblet. and it is hard to put the sph exactly to the top of another. lol |
| 17:19.40 | Yoshi47 | yep, i basically figure it out and use translate |
| 17:19.59 | Yoshi47 | but you want a little overlap, as it does say that in the tutorial |
| 17:20.38 | Yoshi47 | since in real life if your goblet balls only were connected by a thou of material it would break easily |
| 17:21.17 | KingofCSU | by the way. I am a Chinese. sometime I have to use the dic to translate English to Chinese. make me slowly |
| 17:22.45 | Yoshi47 | ah, you live in China too? |
| 17:22.53 | KingofCSU | yep . you are right. so did the Brl-CAD have the "merge" command ? |
| 17:22.58 | KingofCSU | yes I live in China |
| 17:23.38 | KingofCSU | I mean the "union" is not same as "merge" |
| 17:23.38 | Yoshi47 | merge? like you want to merge 2 parts together? |
| 17:24.12 | Yoshi47 | keep following the tutorial it will get there. |
| 17:24.44 | KingofCSU | I will. |
| 17:26.38 | KingofCSU | how many BRL-CAD Tutorial Series there are? four? or more |
| 17:28.04 | Yoshi47 | some more tutorial also i don't know if they are part of the series. here is an impeller i did while learning BRL-CAD http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/v/CAD/impeller.png.html |
| 17:28.17 | Yoshi47 | and brlcad rendered it for me |
| 17:28.31 | KingofCSU | Thanks I will check it. |
| 17:28.42 | Yoshi47 | took me at least 8 hours to do that |
| 17:29.00 | KingofCSU | beautiful |
| 17:29.42 | Yoshi47 | and this took me a week the first time while learning the program, and then i lost the database so i had to redo and i redid the whoel thing in under 1.5hours http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/v/CAD/render_balls.png.html |
| 17:29.56 | brlcad | KingofCSU: the tutorial series should take a day at least to go through without skimming (it's useless to skim it), should ask again after that or have something in mind to model of your own then work on that after the tutorials |
| 17:30.50 | Yoshi47 | yep i agree! |
| 17:31.07 | KingofCSU | thanks for your advice |
| 17:31.40 | Yoshi47 | and don't give up! |
| 17:32.06 | Yoshi47 | Ralith, i think i need another 22" for at home when i do the tutorial on the impeller! |
| 17:32.47 | KingofCSU | I must to go bed now it is 01:32a.m. here . |
| 17:32.57 | Yoshi47 | cya |
| 17:33.08 | KingofCSU | cya |
| 17:39.16 | brlcad | fwiw, our union is a 'merge' operation, with no interior surfaces preserved .. |
| 17:40.24 | ``Erik | practices his evil laugh a bit before hitting commit |
| 17:40.36 | brlcad | the idea of "union" preserving interior surfaces is a brep-bastardization implementation detail of only having boundaries and a "union" meaning to union the boundaries instead of the volumes |
| 17:48.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35858 10/brlcad/trunk/ (39 files in 36 dirs): Append v4 import/export functions with a '4'. |
| 17:49.15 | brlcad | er |
| 17:49.39 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 17:49.52 | brlcad | waits for the diff |
| 17:50.48 | ``Erik | now v4 doesn't have the good names, they're just as ugly as v5 :D |
| 17:51.59 | brlcad | heh, those aren't the ones exactly that I had in mind |
| 17:52.08 | brlcad | but actually good to be consistent there |
| 17:52.16 | brlcad | and none of those I'd consider "public", so all good |
| 17:52.28 | ``Erik | those're the ones I was talking about moving into dbupgrade eventually |
| 17:52.49 | brlcad | there's a lot more than those needed to support v4 |
| 17:53.09 | brlcad | it's the others that are problematic |
| 17:54.16 | ``Erik | heh, like which? (I was just looking for a bit of distraction before diving into more adrt/isst shtuff or metaball shtuff or marching cubes or anything) |
| 17:54.32 | brlcad | about half of the funcs in src/librt/db_*.c |
| 17:54.51 | brlcad | those are the ones that are public api and can't/shouldn't change |
| 17:55.09 | ``Erik | ah, I didn't want to touch those just yet, that'd be more v6 offsite fodder |
| 17:56.13 | brlcad | maybe, but librt could use some other refactoring love before getting to that |
| 17:56.30 | ``Erik | ayup |
| 17:56.48 | brlcad | like encapsulating the other db objects from the core lib (attributes, binary objects, combinations, ..) |
| 17:56.56 | brlcad | like the primitives |
| 17:57.39 | brlcad | refactoring rt_functab away into a set of api routines (rt_import(), rt_export(), rt_shot(), rt_tess(), etc) |
| 17:58.23 | ``Erik | inside of a 'primitive_s' struct? or *shudder* c++? (objC?) |
| 17:58.48 | brlcad | migrating timing facilities to libbu, root solving to libbn |
| 17:59.06 | brlcad | hm?? no |
| 17:59.16 | brlcad | same signature for the most part |
| 17:59.25 | ``Erik | <-- is taking his afternoon nap, btw O.o :D |
| 17:59.55 | brlcad | instead of rt_sph_export(...), it'd be more like rt_export(sph, ...) |
| 18:00.22 | brlcad | using either the ID like it is now or (better) using an rt_db_internal handle |
| 18:00.29 | ``Erik | hm |
| 18:01.06 | brlcad | that's what all the mirror migration has been about, first one to go through the motions but from start to finish |
| 18:01.07 | ``Erik | and rt_export() would do...? |
| 18:01.15 | ``Erik | ah |
| 18:01.29 | brlcad | rt_tess() is probably a better example |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35859 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/rhc/rhc_brep.cpp: |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: It's always something stupid. Needed to flip the straight line around. This |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: isn't a true rhc in the sense that the curved edge isn't yet mapped to the |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 'correct' hyberbolic curve per the inputs, but the basic idea of the shape is |
| 18:01.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: now working. |
| 18:02.01 | ``Erik | rt_tess() would be a nice jump point for something like marching cubes, I'd imagine |
| 18:02.31 | brlcad | instead of rt_sph_tess(...), becomes rt_tess(sph, ...) where you pass in the object to tessellate (even if all it does internally is use the functab and call rt_sph_tess() under the hood) |
| 18:03.20 | brlcad | right, then the functab calls become part of the API and you don't need to know object types -- you just pass in the database internal pointer |
| 18:03.59 | brlcad | gets back to writing |
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| 18:13.12 | Yoshi47 | i love not having to save! |
| 18:14.07 | d-lo | brlcad: writing what? if ya don't mind me askin. |
| 18:14.31 | Yoshi47 | my wole db for sweetspot is only 323kB! well that is only the x slide design. |
| 18:15.19 | starseeker | Yoshi47: just out of curiosity - try running g-asc and then asc-g and see if that gives you a smaller file (back up the original first though!) |
| 18:15.36 | Yoshi47 | ok |
| 18:16.37 | Yoshi47 | starseeker, you mean g2asc |
| 18:16.43 | starseeker | er, yeah |
| 18:18.02 | Yoshi47 | 699.0kB in asc format |
| 18:18.22 | starseeker | now convert that asc back to a .g |
| 18:18.26 | starseeker | asc2g |
| 18:18.53 | Yoshi47 | 323.6kB orginal and now its 312.4kB |
| 18:19.04 | starseeker | hmm, ok :-) |
| 18:19.08 | starseeker | a little, not much |
| 18:20.34 | Yoshi47 | how does it minimize that? |
| 18:20.46 | Yoshi47 | what does it get rid of? |
| 18:21.38 | Yoshi47 | i think i need a faster computer! |
| 18:30.46 | brlcad | d-lo: abstracts |
| 18:32.44 | brlcad | Yoshi47: when objects are deleted/killed, their space is released but only reused when something of similar/smaller size will fit, kind of like disk fragmentation |
| 18:33.12 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 18:33.29 | brlcad | there is a garbage_collect command that does something similar, but g2asc+asc2g is another "double-blind" way |
| 18:45.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35860 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (bot/bot_brep.cpp ebm/ebm_brep.cpp poly/poly_brep.cpp): |
| 18:45.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Get some of the 'easy' csg-brep added - these primitives will just convert to |
| 18:45.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: nmg and use that routine. ars has some longer term interesting possibilities, |
| 18:45.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: but for replicating existing surfaces this should do OK. ebm, which |
| 18:45.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: fundamentally uses pixels and has square edges (however small) should also be a |
| 18:45.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: fairly clean if fairly massive workable nmg conversion. |
| 18:46.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35861 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/Makefile.am: Oh yeah, add the Makefile.am entries. |
| 18:46.16 | brlcad | and misc and cmake |
| 18:46.26 | starseeker | ah, right |
| 18:47.22 | brlcad | keep a continuous distcheck going somewhere (wopr's good for that), should keep things clean |
| 18:49.51 | Yoshi47 | is there any way to speed up my wireframe rotating and panning? |
| 18:49.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35862 10/brlcad/trunk/ (misc/win32-msvc8/librt/librt.vcproj src/librt/CMakeLists.txt): Add other build file updates. |
| 18:50.17 | Yoshi47 | without getting rid of the bolts |
| 18:51.02 | starseeker | Yoshi47: are you using an opengl or an X display manager? |
| 18:51.17 | Yoshi47 | pretty sure opengl |
| 18:51.17 | starseeker | on some platforms ogl will be a bit faster |
| 18:51.22 | starseeker | hrm |
| 18:51.34 | Yoshi47 | running xfce4 |
| 18:53.34 | Yoshi47 | is there a way to see draw this but only show details up to a certain measurement |
| 18:53.47 | starseeker | not currently that I know of |
| 18:54.00 | starseeker | level of detail is something we've been wanting to have for a while now |
| 18:55.20 | Yoshi47 | guess im going to have to find a way to hide a certain part |
| 18:58.19 | brlcad | Yoshi47: run "mged -c", what does it say after attach? |
| 18:59.25 | Yoshi47 | (nu|X)[nu]? |
| 19:00.21 | brlcad | Yoshi47: part surrogation is generally done manually pretty easily with "cp part expensive_part ; kill part ; cp cheap_part part" .. just take care to back up your work |
| 19:00.43 | brlcad | then to restore, just the reverse to put expensive_part back in place as that part |
| 19:00.56 | Yoshi47 | ya i guess that would work |
| 19:01.39 | brlcad | only a problem if you have a ton of parts like that which you need to surrogate |
| 19:01.44 | Yoshi47 | and i could just replace the threads on the bolt with a rcc for now |
| 19:01.51 | brlcad | right |
| 19:02.09 | Yoshi47 | and when i do the rendering i can change it back |
| 19:02.32 | brlcad | another way is to have a high-res and a low-res copy of the higher-level assembly/part |
| 19:02.41 | brlcad | so you have two top-levels |
| 19:02.46 | Yoshi47 | im waiting for a chunk of 3x1" ALM to fall in the cut off bin here! |
| 19:03.03 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 19:03.08 | Yoshi47 | now you got me thinking |
| 19:03.39 | brlcad | you use all the same objects except for the few expensive ones, so it's pretty compact and will get most changes |
| 19:04.20 | brlcad | that attach prompt means your using X11 protocol to display the wireframe presently, so you probably would get a speed boost by compiling brl-cad with opengl support enabled |
| 19:04.45 | Yoshi47 | how much boost? |
| 19:04.56 | brlcad | too many factors to say |
| 19:05.44 | Yoshi47 | ok |
| 19:05.46 | brlcad | at worse, it won't work at all or will be about the same performance-wise; at best, could be 10x faster |
| 19:05.58 | Yoshi47 | umm |
| 19:06.25 | Yoshi47 | or i stick the Quadro card in my computer thats in the closet? but you said before that would really help? |
| 19:06.56 | brlcad | and by "won't work at all", I mean it can conceivably crash X and your kernel if you have really crappy drivers and a buggy version of X11 |
| 19:07.37 | brlcad | you're probably draw-limited at the moment |
| 19:08.01 | brlcad | so many overlapping lines, so the quadro will only help some if it can do 2d blits faster |
| 19:08.03 | d-lo | brlcad: more spam on the mailing list :/ |
| 19:08.20 | brlcad | d-lo: er, which list? |
| 19:08.31 | brlcad | I see no spam here |
| 19:09.09 | brlcad | nor did I receive the one you replied to .. someone could be spoofing our list as a return address to you specifically |
| 19:09.25 | d-lo | brlcad-commits |
| 19:09.47 | Yoshi47 | well im going to try that card right now, see you on the up side |
| 19:09.49 | Yoshi47 | bye |
| 19:09.50 | Yoshi47 | exit |
| 19:10.22 | brlcad | forward it to me directly |
| 19:10.28 | brlcad | cause I didn't get anything |
| 19:11.41 | d-lo | kk done. |
| 19:12.26 | brlcad | huh, I see one that made it into the archive yesterday |
| 19:12.30 | brlcad | place where we can chat |
| 19:14.14 | brlcad | wow, there have been several .. yet I haven't received any of them |
| 19:14.15 | d-lo | bummer :/ |
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| 19:14.54 | brlcad | starseeker: have you been getting them? |
| 19:14.56 | brlcad | or anyone else? |
| 19:16.41 | Yoshi47 | yep card only sped up it 2x maybe |
| 19:16.59 | Yoshi47 | now it will help to go opengl |
| 19:19.04 | starseeker | brlcad: I think I saw one |
| 19:19.17 | louipc | opengl makes mged way faster for me |
| 19:19.33 | louipc | and with my recent build it works perfectly :D |
| 19:20.04 | Yoshi47 | you want to try and swing my xslide.c around |
| 19:20.18 | louipc | hmm ok |
| 19:20.55 | louipc | what's that? |
| 19:21.11 | Yoshi47 | http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/d/2445-1/sweetspot_g?g2_GALLERYSID=955f3394427280e58ccda866d6750dec |
| 19:21.17 | Yoshi47 | B xslide.c |
| 19:22.26 | louipc | woo |
| 19:22.40 | Yoshi47 | woo or ooww |
| 19:22.51 | louipc | both |
| 19:22.53 | Yoshi47 | ouch? |
| 19:22.57 | louipc | my computer is slow anyways hahh |
| 19:22.59 | Yoshi47 | does it lag? |
| 19:23.04 | louipc | yeah |
| 19:23.07 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 19:23.13 | Yoshi47 | those bolts are nasty |
| 19:24.19 | louipc | how'd you do the threads? |
| 19:25.09 | brlcad | starseeker: just one? |
| 19:25.19 | brlcad | it says there were about 15 in the last month |
| 19:25.43 | brlcad | pretty steady at a rate of about one every other day going back several months .. oddly haven't seen any that I can recall |
| 19:26.33 | brlcad | something must be filtering them before I even see them .. wonder if it's something sf.net is doing, or on my end |
| 19:26.34 | Yoshi47 | got it of brlcad.org |
| 19:26.50 | Yoshi47 | hex database |
| 19:27.38 | louipc | oh |
| 19:29.09 | brlcad | starseeker: looks like you're set up for digest .. do you see any in your previous digests? |
| 19:31.22 | starseeker | brlcad: can't tell from here - they get copied to my home machine |
| 19:31.23 | Yoshi47 | louipc, now can you give my file back so you don't rip my design off? |
| 19:31.47 | louipc | uh where do I put it? |
| 19:31.50 | brlcad | i see how they're sending .. there's presently an exemption for any sourceforge.net addresses, so they're folks that go through the effort to create an account and post |
| 19:32.32 | Yoshi47 | just run it throug dd |
| 19:32.49 | Yoshi47 | and then delete it and write zeros there instead |
| 19:33.00 | Yoshi47 | and then put it through the file shredder |
| 19:33.14 | louipc | shouldn't the zeros be enough? |
| 19:33.16 | d-lo | wow, spammers are having to work now eh? thats funny. |
| 19:33.40 | Yoshi47 | ya i guess |
| 19:33.48 | louipc | ok |
| 19:33.50 | Yoshi47 | anyways im going home |
| 19:33.56 | Yoshi47 | cya guys tonight maybe |
| 19:33.59 | louipc | there are too many top elements in this model :P |
| 19:34.21 | louipc | cheers |
| 19:34.29 | Yoshi47 | top elements? |
| 19:34.41 | louipc | `tops` |
| 19:35.18 | louipc | there should just be one called 'machine' hahh |
| 19:35.26 | louipc | or something |
| 19:36.30 | Yoshi47 | B sweetspot.c |
| 19:36.41 | Yoshi47 | i call my machine sweetspot |
| 19:36.56 | louipc | ah why's that? |
| 19:37.34 | Yoshi47 | well its going to be a CNC gauntry router so i would like to get the tolerence tight enough to hit the sweetspot! |
| 19:38.12 | louipc | what's the sweetspot? |
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| 19:38.19 | Yoshi47 | half thou |
| 19:38.41 | Yoshi47 | anyways cya! |
| 19:38.47 | louipc | bye |
| 19:42.24 | brlcad | d-lo: let me know if you see any others .. I think that config change should help |
| 19:43.57 | d-lo | kk, will do. |
| 19:48.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35863 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: test commit, archer has interactive editing support |
| 19:49.12 | brlcad | well looks like I didn't kill commits altogether |
| 19:49.30 | brlcad | did you get spam on any of the other lists? |
| 19:49.49 | d-lo | dunno. I will start paying more attention now. |
| 19:49.58 | brlcad | i suspect not because most of the rest only allow subscribed to send to them, if at all |
| 19:51.02 | brlcad | commits doesn't work that way as everything arrives as the subscribed address doesn't match the sender's address (commits come from sfuser@users.sourceforge.net) |
| 20:00.20 | ``Erik | the more I muddle with objc and cocoa, the more I kinda dig it |
| 20:02.22 | brlcad | it really is pretty swank |
| 20:03.06 | brlcad | the biggest detractor (at least for open source) is just the platform tie-in |
| 20:04.36 | ``Erik | hum, wonder what the state of gnustep is these days |
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| 20:06.19 | ``Erik | the smalltalkiness makes me happy, but the inability to do multimessages (even though the multiple parameter method definition LOOKS like an attempt at multimessages) makes me sad |
| 20:19.27 | brlcad | still major props to apple for adding blocks to obj-c with the new rev |
| 20:21.36 | brlcad | meh on multimessages though, minor syntax boost to not just say the object name N times and instead just say semicolon or whatever |
| 20:23.02 | brlcad | multiple params isn't an attempt, no diff than smalltalks multiparams. the message is just the concat param1:param2:param3: |
| 20:33.07 | ``Erik | ah, closures, yeah... need to get my work box on leopard (or snow leopard) so'z I can get those here |
| 20:51.15 | starseeker | brlcad: what's a cline? |
| 21:05.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35864 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add in vol-nmg-brep. |
| 21:38.38 | brlcad | starseeker: an old-school "pipe" description |
| 21:38.53 | brlcad | connected line segments |
| 21:39.32 | brlcad | with an inner/outer diameter like pipe has but just one bend radius (spherical joints connect them) |
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| 21:42.47 | brlcad | the fast4-g importer is the only thing I know of that creates them |
| 21:43.06 | brlcad | CLINE is one of the FASTGEN entities |
| 21:43.44 | brlcad | would make sense to convert them all over to pipes, of course, and deprecate/remove the old cline primitive, but the effort=>payoff is really minimal |
| 23:48.34 | ``Erik | heh "forth: all the power of assembly with all the ease of use of assembly" hehehe |
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| 00:58.31 | Yoshi477 | so i redid my impeller, with all the steps laid out, now to tidy up the tutorial and then rerun all the commands and see if i get the same thing! |
| 00:58.37 | Yoshi477 | Ralith, im close! |
| 00:58.48 | brlcad | awesome! |
| 00:59.30 | Yoshi477 | oh and i figured soemthing out, clone -b 12 0 0 390 blade.r |
| 00:59.41 | Yoshi477 | you have to add the degrees to 360 and then you get the spacing right! |
| 00:59.48 | Yoshi477 | unless im doing it wrong |
| 01:05.12 | brlcad | mm, sounds like you were either doing something wrong or expecting something wrong.. could be the starting position/orientation of blade.r |
| 01:05.27 | Ralith | Yoshi477: yay! |
| 01:05.50 | Yoshi477 | Tribute for my son! |
| 01:06.28 | Yoshi477 | He went to Heaven 1 year ago! |
| 01:08.30 | brlcad | my condolences, presuming his departure was tragic |
| 01:09.54 | brlcad | sounds like a noble tribute |
| 01:09.54 | Yoshi477 | He had HLH a rare blood disease and after a year of treatments and fighting it he passed away, considering he had this, we had lots of fun together and there were a lot of good days, got tons of video and he was one of the most happy kids out side the hospital. |
| 01:10.14 | Yoshi477 | and then 2 months after he dies his sister got the same thing(genetic) |
| 01:10.19 | brlcad | long live the best of memories |
| 01:10.42 | Yoshi477 | and then she did a different course of treatment, she got a bonemarrow transplant in Feb, and is recovering very well! |
| 01:10.53 | brlcad | wow, outstanding |
| 01:11.01 | Yoshi477 | she is happy most of the time(she on steriods, kinda makes them grumpy!) |
| 01:12.05 | Yoshi477 | shes a miracle child, she was in the ICL with 4 failed organs and on the oscillator ventilator and was the 4th kid in the 40 year history of the hospital to come off of it and recover, so we are very thankful for that! |
| 01:12.45 | Yoshi477 | anyways, if you want to know more you can ask, other wise i will get back to work and try to finish more of my Tribute to Hendrik! |
| 01:13.10 | brlcad | yeah, talk about beating odds, fantastic to hear she's recovering |
| 01:13.26 | Yoshi477 | maybe i'll post a video of last summer when he was kinda normal then you will see he had somewhat of a happy life! |
| 01:18.23 | Yoshi477 | its uploading hopefully it works! |
| 01:33.12 | Yoshi477 | wel lmy cloned failed, it put an extra one in there! guess i start over and see with 11 |
| 01:43.34 | Yoshi477 | brlcad, can you render my new impeller in glass and chrome? |
| 01:45.27 | Yoshi477 | oh does this movie work for anyone? http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/v/Movies/00025.mpg.html |
| 01:47.31 | Yoshi477 | i think i might have to resize it |
| 01:50.27 | Yoshi477 | brlcad, heres a text file with all the steps needed to recreate the impeller, http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/d/2452-1/impeller.txt?g2_GALLERYSID=8d870d26847034d67e6a9b58f984d434 |
| 01:50.50 | Yoshi477 | if you have a chance please render, im off for now, |
| 01:52.09 | brlcad | looks |
| 01:52.38 | brlcad | that's a dead movie link, empty gallery |
| 01:53.33 | Yoshi477 | yep, i just delete convert the huge mpg into a smaller ogg for easier inbrowser viewing, or anotherformat if you have a suggestion? |
| 01:54.17 | brlcad | ogg is only easier on linux :) |
| 01:54.55 | Yoshi477 | what video format is fully support by firefox 3.5 now? |
| 01:55.35 | brlcad | depends on the codecs you install |
| 01:55.55 | brlcad | mpg (2 or 4) should work I'd hope |
| 01:56.13 | Yoshi477 | nope ogg, is the only fully support video format for firefox 3.5 with out any other stuff |
| 01:56.17 | Yoshi477 | HTML 5 standard |
| 01:57.17 | brlcad | it was removed from html5 |
| 01:57.32 | brlcad | couple years ago.. |
| 01:58.00 | brlcad | yeah, here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg_controversy |
| 01:58.33 | Yoshi477 | https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Using_audio_and_video_in_Firefox |
| 01:58.40 | brlcad | ff 3.5 is actually the only browser to support it :) |
| 01:58.53 | Yoshi477 | yes! |
| 01:58.58 | Yoshi477 | im goign to convert and upload |
| 01:59.03 | brlcad | don't get me wrong, I love ogg |
| 01:59.11 | Yoshi477 | are you going to try the impeller steps? |
| 01:59.27 | brlcad | just not yet very practical video format for most still yet |
| 01:59.31 | brlcad | already tried |
| 01:59.41 | brlcad | you have some globbing in there so I couldn't just source it |
| 02:02.30 | Yoshi477 | really, i tried it and it worked |
| 02:02.33 | Yoshi477 | umm what lines? |
| 02:02.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35865 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: a db_glob expression that doesn't match anything should not return the expression. |
| 02:03.39 | brlcad | you can type it |
| 02:03.41 | brlcad | you can't source it |
| 02:03.58 | brlcad | globbing is not available via source command |
| 02:04.07 | Yoshi477 | globbing? |
| 02:04.08 | brlcad | well it is, but not the same way |
| 02:04.10 | Yoshi477 | im lost |
| 02:04.15 | brlcad | don't worry about it :) |
| 02:04.25 | Yoshi477 | oh |
| 02:04.31 | brlcad | I got it to work with a one-line tweak |
| 02:04.36 | Yoshi477 | lol |
| 02:04.40 | Yoshi477 | i figured you would |
| 02:05.12 | Yoshi477 | how detail should i make the tutorial, for total newbies or someone who know how to use the interface? |
| 02:06.50 | brlcad | there is a typo somewhere in your script though |
| 02:06.52 | brlcad | the clone line |
| 02:07.01 | brlcad | there's a kill embedded |
| 02:08.08 | Yoshi477 | yep got it, thanks |
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| 02:10.49 | brlcad | also it doesn't make an impeller for me :) |
| 02:10.59 | brlcad | the booleans don't seem right |
| 02:11.00 | Yoshi477 | huh? |
| 02:11.08 | Yoshi477 | i tried it 2 times on this side |
| 02:14.11 | Yoshi477 | the clone should also be 13! |
| 02:14.34 | brlcad | try this, comment out the kill line, then run: |
| 02:14.40 | brlcad | mged -c impeller.g "source impeller.mged ; e impeller.c ; rt" |
| 02:14.50 | brlcad | where impeller.mged is your script |
| 02:15.02 | brlcad | and impeller.g doesn't exist yet |
| 02:15.35 | Yoshi477 | if i changed clone to 13 |
| 02:15.44 | Yoshi477 | or not i have a impeller |
| 02:16.53 | Yoshi477 | can i just leave my text file as is and rename to impeller.mged |
| 02:17.18 | brlcad | you an just put the name of your test file |
| 02:17.43 | brlcad | mged -c blah.g "source whatever ; e impeller.c ; rt" |
| 02:18.09 | Yoshi477 | ouch |
| 02:18.28 | Yoshi477 | your right, but if i do it line by line it works? |
| 02:18.29 | Yoshi477 | wierd |
| 02:19.12 | Yoshi477 | does it follow the script in order and line by line? |
| 02:19.24 | brlcad | yeah |
| 02:19.54 | brlcad | g_diff your.g blah.g |
| 02:20.01 | brlcad | will compare to .g files and report the differences |
| 02:21.35 | Yoshi477 | why does kill *1300 work in mged and not in the script? |
| 02:22.03 | Yoshi477 | Segmentation fault |
| 02:22.06 | Yoshi477 | when g_diff |
| 02:22.56 | brlcad | via the source command, it has to do with globbing |
| 02:23.23 | Yoshi477 | ah, ok well i got to get to bed, |
| 02:23.23 | brlcad | huh, would be interested in seeing the stack trace for the segfault |
| 02:23.32 | Yoshi477 | command? |
| 02:23.45 | brlcad | globbing is a detail you probably don't really want to think about just yet :) |
| 02:23.55 | Yoshi477 | at least not tonight |
| 02:23.58 | brlcad | right |
| 02:24.16 | Yoshi477 | so how do i get the stack trace? strace? |
| 02:24.21 | brlcad | no |
| 02:24.33 | brlcad | gdb --args g_diff your.g blah.g |
| 02:24.35 | brlcad | run |
| 02:24.37 | brlcad | bt |
| 02:24.43 | Yoshi477 | bt? |
| 02:24.51 | brlcad | you type those two into gdb |
| 02:24.55 | brlcad | run |
| 02:24.56 | brlcad | bt |
| 02:25.12 | brlcad | it's the short-hand for backtrace |
| 02:25.26 | Yoshi477 | This GDB was configured as "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"... |
| 02:25.26 | Yoshi477 | run: No such file or directory. |
| 02:25.26 | Yoshi477 | /opt/brlcad/bin/bt: No such file or directory. |
| 02:25.26 | Yoshi477 | (gdb) |
| 02:25.32 | brlcad | no |
| 02:25.43 | brlcad | you didn't run the gdb --args line |
| 02:25.51 | brlcad | gdb --args g_diff fileA fileB |
| 02:26.20 | brlcad | whatever command you ran that segfaulted, just put "gdb --args" in front of it |
| 02:26.27 | Yoshi477 | (gdb) run |
| 02:26.27 | Yoshi477 | Starting program: /opt/brlcad/bin/g_diff /data/media/documents/CAD/Impeller/impeller_tutorial.g /home/josiah/impeller.g |
| 02:26.27 | Yoshi477 | [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] |
| 02:26.27 | Yoshi477 | [New Thread 0x7f14dd084700 (LWP 22822)] |
| 02:26.27 | Yoshi477 | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 02:26.28 | Yoshi477 | [Switching to Thread 0x7f14dd084700 (LWP 22822)] |
| 02:26.30 | Yoshi477 | bu_argv0_full_path () at brlcad_path.c:163 |
| 02:26.32 | Yoshi477 | 163brlcad_path.c: No such file or directory. |
| 02:26.34 | Yoshi477 | in brlcad_path.c |
| 02:26.39 | Yoshi477 | (gdb) bt |
| 02:26.40 | Yoshi477 | #0 bu_argv0_full_path () at brlcad_path.c:163 |
| 02:26.42 | Yoshi477 | #1 0x00007f14cdeddba1 in tclcad_auto_path (interp=0x60a7f0) at tclcadAutoPath.c:249 |
| 02:26.44 | Yoshi477 | #2 0x0000000000403d7f in main (argc=<value optimized out>, argv=0x7fffe50c7f20) at g_diff.c:974 |
| 02:26.52 | brlcad | thanks |
| 02:26.56 | Yoshi477 | np |
| 02:27.00 | Yoshi477 | thanks for the patience! |
| 02:27.21 | Yoshi477 | well i'll cya tomorrow, |
| 02:27.24 | brlcad | cya! |
| 03:10.51 | starseeker | snorts. Yeah, a default video codec in all browsers is currently impossible. |
| 03:11.21 | starseeker | The commercial guys want something where they can buy rights to patents/license codecs so they know they're in the clear, and the open source guys won't touch anything like that |
| 03:12.50 | starseeker | two opinions on that topic - one is that only something untaintable by patents is workable (ogg crowd) and the school that says such a beast is legally impossible under the current system (commercial folk, afraid a patent will appear of of nowhere to make trouble) |
| 03:20.33 | starseeker | wonders if a container format could be tweaked to query the player for a list of supported codecs and then submit a load request to the server for a supported format... |
| 03:37.01 | starseeker | brlcad: so what do you want to do about converting clines to brep? |
| 03:37.21 | starseeker | can go cline->pipe->brep or implement two brep routines |
| 03:44.19 | brlcad | cline is a lot like old bspline/nurbs |
| 03:44.55 | brlcad | it should be easy enough to write a cline_to_pipe routine that goes from one internal to the other, so you can call the pipe routines |
| 03:45.18 | brlcad | wouldn't implement it twice, not worth it |
| 03:46.39 | brlcad | should be officially gutted for v6 and put on the chopping block, make fast4-g bring in pipes instead and make cline go away when v5 disappears (having it call pipe routines in the meantime) |
| 03:47.41 | brlcad | an entire day to write one fncking paragraph.. this is so bass ackwards |
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| 12:35.29 | d-lo | anyone: Are there ss's of g3d on brlcad.org anywhere? |
| 12:49.17 | brlcad | yeah, there are a few |
| 12:49.56 | brlcad | mafm's shots are at http://brlcad.org/~mafm/g3d-screenshots/ |
| 12:51.57 | brlcad | there's at least one at http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Ralith of the qt-integration |
| 12:54.09 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/g3d_latest.png |
| 12:58.38 | Yoshi47 | whats G3D? |
| 12:59.08 | ``Erik | experimental gui replacement for MGED |
| 12:59.29 | Yoshi47 | but not being worked on anymore, cause of archer? |
| 12:59.41 | ``Erik | well, it's kinda the follow-on to archer... |
| 12:59.49 | Yoshi47 | ah? |
| 13:00.18 | Yoshi47 | should i be using it? can i? |
| 13:00.26 | ``Erik | it's mostly being worked on in the summers by students (usually under the GSoC banner) |
| 13:01.18 | ``Erik | nah, you should just be happy that some day, there'll be a more 'modern' and 'user friendly' gui :) |
| 13:01.43 | Yoshi47 | ok |
| 13:01.50 | Yoshi47 | i'll wiat patiently |
| 13:02.16 | d-lo | thanks for the linkage! |
| 13:03.45 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, get anywhere with those errors? |
| 13:13.52 | brlcad | Yoshi47: not yet, I had to z too eventually :) |
| 13:14.00 | brlcad | hopefully some progress later today/tonight |
| 13:14.05 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 13:14.12 | brlcad | you can still manually compare the two |
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| 13:14.15 | brlcad | s/can/should/ |
| 13:14.18 | brlcad | speak of th edevil |
| 13:14.21 | brlcad | hi Ralith |
| 13:14.42 | Yoshi47 | what is he responsible for this! |
| 13:15.04 | brlcad | Yoshi47: and no, you shouldn't/can't try out the new gui just .. a bit premature for at least a few more months until something can be posted |
| 13:15.22 | Yoshi47 | sob |
| 13:18.36 | brlcad | user feedback is always good, but don't really want to get side-tracked with demos until we can do something in response, which won't be for a while |
| 13:18.57 | brlcad | archer needs to be shored up and an alpha pushed out first, get feedback from that, iterate |
| 13:20.57 | Yoshi47 | yep i understand |
| 13:24.30 | ``Erik | huh, wsj thinks nukes might make a comeback |
| 13:27.24 | d-lo | wsj? |
| 13:28.37 | d-lo | wall street journal? |
| 13:28.40 | ``Erik | wall street journal |
| 13:28.43 | ``Erik | there's a link on /. |
| 13:29.20 | Yoshi47 | comeback? they were never gone, they just hid them really well |
| 13:29.56 | d-lo | Well we haven't built a new one in decades. meanwhile France's electrical power is nearly all nuclear :/ |
| 13:31.24 | d-lo | Nuclear power -> Electric cars/trains -> significantly less petrol dependency. |
| 13:31.29 | d-lo | makes sense to me :) |
| 13:31.40 | Yoshi47 | yep me too |
| 13:32.31 | louipc | more solar and wind would be nice though |
| 13:33.24 | d-lo | Agreed. Much more research needs to be put into thermovoltaic and photovoltaic techs. |
| 13:33.53 | ``Erik | the issue with nuke+electriccar is how to quickly recharge it I think... X hours to recharge is unacceptable for anything but local commute, and the batteries are wayyyy too heavy to swap out for fresh ones |
| 13:34.12 | d-lo | righto. Battery tech needs some love. |
| 13:34.42 | d-lo | But the only real hurdles are battery tech and electrical generation capacity. |
| 13:34.45 | ``Erik | or figure out a better way to hold the energy, fuel cells tend to have expensive and fragile membranes last I heard |
| 13:35.32 | ``Erik | honda has a fuel cell electric they're putting to general market, I think? but limited areas, hydrogen pumps aren't the most common :D |
| 13:35.53 | ``Erik | "fcx clarity" |
| 13:36.14 | d-lo | Right. Didn't they preview that on Top Gear? I think the initial market is California only. |
| 13:36.19 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 13:36.36 | ``Erik | (knew it from top gear, googled around for the name :D ) |
| 13:38.02 | d-lo | tidal energy shows promise, but again, more research needed. |
| 13:41.15 | d-lo | ohshi, didn't know that Toshiba is in the Nuclear bidness. Huh... i see awesome laptop potental here. |
| 13:41.55 | louipc | hehehe |
| 13:43.05 | ``Erik | yeah, but, uh, when the laptop 'battery' explodes... |
| 13:43.44 | ``Erik | (seems most japanese companies we know about have their fingers in everything, we just hear about their cars or electronics division) |
| 13:44.56 | d-lo | but imagine the uptime...... |
| 13:44.57 | d-lo | ;) |
| 13:48.25 | Yoshi47 | didn't philips or panasonic develope a methane battery for notebook, and you could just recharge with a pressurized can! |
| 13:49.08 | d-lo | heh, cow fart powered.... awesome. |
| 13:49.34 | ``Erik | has never thought of 'uptime' as the time between explosive launch and stuff hitting the ground before O.o |
| 13:50.33 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 13:50.46 | Yoshi47 | cow burb! more lethal i think |
| 13:51.11 | ``Erik | "hold up, need to charge my laptop" *plunkt" "mooOOOO????" |
| 13:51.56 | Yoshi47 | Prof "why does it stink like manure in here!) |
| 13:54.57 | d-lo | Mr Fusion > Cow Battery imho |
| 13:55.47 | d-lo | oh and Nuclear reactors don't explode :P |
| 13:56.45 | Yoshi47 | d-lo, only if you have homer working for you! |
| 13:57.46 | ``Erik | but, wait, isn't the sun a reactor? and it's exploding as speak (oohssss nnnoooeesssss) :D |
| 13:59.17 | d-lo | no, its a continous, uncontrolled reaction, not a reactor. Plus, its fusion, and our 'tractors are fission :P |
| 14:07.27 | Yoshi47 | yep all we have to do is figure out fusion and were good to go |
| 14:10.00 | d-lo | right. Now... where to start... |
| 14:11.14 | starseeker | has always thought the concept of "desktop fusion" via very small pockets of very high pressure was interesting |
| 14:12.04 | starseeker | sorta like how they do super-powered lasers that use as much power as the whole USA for a femptosecond... |
| 14:12.54 | starseeker | so far as I know no system has convincingly produce such a multiplier system, but the idea is interesting |
| 14:13.17 | _clock_ | that would be good for free space optics |
| 14:13.27 | _clock_ | big range :) |
| 14:13.53 | ``Erik | just happens to vaporize the receiver? :D |
| 14:14.16 | _clock_ | the receiver has to have suitable dynamic range |
| 14:15.36 | d-lo | is thinking something along the lines of Star Wars! |
| 14:20.17 | Yoshi47 | Chain Reaction |
| 14:22.22 | ``Erik | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/3769270225_7e4aee9082.jpg |
| 14:22.55 | brlcad | looks like the view from my upstairs |
| 14:23.19 | starseeker | that's not how I remember Endor |
| 14:23.51 | starseeker | talk about deforestatino |
| 14:23.57 | starseeker | deforestation rather |
| 14:24.09 | _clock_ | deforestatio |
| 14:24.13 | _clock_ | sounds like some sexual practice |
| 14:24.18 | starseeker | can't type today, fingers sore after hammering on laminate flooring |
| 14:24.20 | ``Erik | http://www.vimeo.com/2587071 heh |
| 14:24.47 | d-lo | starseeker: did you get the snap-fit stuff? |
| 14:25.00 | starseeker | d-lo: yeah |
| 14:25.07 | starseeker | even that's taken some time we dont' have to spare |
| 14:26.04 | d-lo | Suckage. Are you done? |
| 14:26.45 | starseeker | close |
| 14:26.53 | starseeker | have to cut some holes for floor vents |
| 14:26.59 | _clock_ | with megalaser |
| 14:27.04 | starseeker | then do the closet |
| 14:27.17 | starseeker | so lot of square footage down, but the hard parts remain |
| 14:28.10 | starseeker | what we do have in looks really nice, expecially after the sucky blue carpet |
| 14:31.35 | ``Erik | (shoulda had a housewarming party before ya started, so we could get the before/after impression :) |
| 14:32.01 | Yoshi47 | took video before any renos |
| 14:32.32 | d-lo | ``Erik: nice video link. :) |
| 14:33.07 | d-lo | Yeah, I love how new wood flooring looks :) |
| 14:33.40 | _clock_ | ``Erik: you know you could save some heating cost with housewarming parties? |
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| 14:47.00 | d-lo | starseeker: You taking before/after pictures? |
| 14:50.14 | starseeker | not so far - no time :-/ |
| 14:50.22 | starseeker | we have saved the listing photos |
| 14:50.30 | starseeker | they give a rough idea |
| 15:07.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35866 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/3dm/3dm-g.cpp: Add verbosity options to 3dm-g to get Dump statements for various types of geometry, add -r option to optionally randomize colors. |
| 15:09.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35867 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Whoops, update NEWS |
| 15:16.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35868 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/rhc/rhc_brep.cpp: Clean up rhc_brep.cpp a bit. |
| 15:45.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35869 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Add a tempate for rpc_brep - not freeing something correctly, rhc and rpc are incompatible in csgbrep and kill everything trying to run it. |
| 15:52.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35870 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/rhc/rhc_brep.cpp: This is not the right way to do it apparently, but will need to be setting weights for this case. |
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| 16:52.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35871 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/rpc/rpc_brep.cpp: No idea if this solution is general but first correct nurbs rpc representation. |
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| 21:35.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35872 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:35.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Added code to split up a display list if part of the list is no longer being |
| 21:35.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: displayed. That is, if "all.g" which contains "tor.r", "box.r", "platform.r", |
| 21:35.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: "cone.r", "ellipse.r" and "light.r" was originally being display and "all/tor.r" |
| 21:35.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: was removed from the display then the display list for "all" would be split up |
| 21:35.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: into the following new lists: "all.g/box.r", "all.g/platform.r", "all.g/cone.r", |
| 21:35.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: "all.g/ellipse.r" and "all.g/light.r". |
| 22:42.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1617 10/wiki/Main_Page: Undo revision 1616 by [[Special:Contributions/122.49.210.50|122.49.210.50]] ([[User talk:122.49.210.50|Talk]]) |
| 22:42.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:122.49.210.50]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
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| 23:27.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35873 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (18 files in 2 dirs): begin normalizing mode interface |
| 23:28.29 | ``Erik | oh nifty, automake 1.11 installs all the headers with a single ginstall call instead of one per each |
| 02:54.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35874 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 02:54.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Add (but do not enable) code to grab all regions whose bounding boxes intersect |
| 02:54.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: a sphere and place them in a group. This will at some point make a beginning |
| 02:54.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: for advanced selection options in editors, but in its current form is too |
| 02:54.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: limited to enable as a command. |
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| 12:54.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35875 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 12:54.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: reword so proper commit note will be associated with those lines in the summary |
| 12:54.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: report. cliff added -r and -v options to the 3dm-g importer to set random |
| 12:54.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: colors on objects during import and to provide better verbose processing |
| 12:54.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: information during import. |
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| 17:51.53 | *** topic/#brlcad by louipc -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.14.8 posted (20090511) || GSoC2009 Next Step: upload your code to google, wait for shirt ;) thanks everyone! || Logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ | |
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| 18:36.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35876 10/isst/trunk/src/Makefile.am: cope with growing c++isms in librt |
| 18:37.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35877 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (4 files in 2 dirs): more interface unification |
| 18:37.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35878 10/isst/trunk/src/local_worker.c: use new init interface |
| 19:06.19 | brlcad | V3ARGS() will expand a %f %f %f for you |
| 19:06.54 | brlcad | assuming [0], [1], [2] indexing |
| 19:19.37 | ``Erik | 'cept I have to break away from that, v3args is too "clever" |
| 19:20.33 | ``Erik | (notice, blah, blah+1, blah+2, NOT blah[0], blah[1], blah[2]... references :D ) |
| 19:21.11 | ``Erik | if V3ARGS(&blah) did what I wanted, that'd be nifty, but it doesn't |
| 20:40.15 | brlcad | parens? |
| 20:40.15 | brlcad | ((&blah))? |
| 20:40.19 | brlcad | maybe with a cast |
| 20:40.33 | brlcad | (((float*)(&blah))) |
| 20:46.37 | ``Erik | def'd as (a)[X], so'z V3ARGS(&a) resolves to (&a)[X], which blows up... can't do it with the macro |
| 20:47.24 | ``Erik | it's too damn safe :D |
| 21:03.09 | brlcad | ~seen Ralith |
| 21:03.12 | ibot | ralith <n=ralith@69.90.48.127> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 1d 19h 57m 45s ago, saying: 'Yoshi477: yay!'. |
| 21:03.53 | brlcad | ~seen jdoliner |
| 21:03.54 | ibot | jdoliner <n=jdoliner@c-67-173-0-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 10d 7h 29m 53s ago, saying: 'ah but fortunately, this won't be too hard to fix at all'. |
| 21:04.16 | brlcad | students need to upload their code still |
| 21:14.18 | ``Erik | ponders how evil "#define V3ARGSP(a) &((a)[X]), &((a)[Y]), &((a)[Z])" would be :> |
| 21:51.08 | brlcad | pretty evil |
| 23:00.25 | ``Erik | indeed, unrestrained thinking down that alley can turn into truely horrible abuses, that's how c++ crawled its way from the depths ;> *duck* |
| 23:30.06 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:30.16 | brlcad | c++ isn't *that* bad :) |
| 23:30.20 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:30.43 | ``Erik | (it did begin life has a klugefest of macro's, though) |
| 23:32.41 | starseeker | proposes klugefest as the code name for the next Windows release |
| 23:33.10 | ``Erik | dude, not cool, don't insult the art of the kluge like that |
| 23:33.10 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:33.40 | starseeker | heh |
| 23:33.55 | ``Erik | windows 8 will be codenamed "fuckit, no one's using this anyways" if vista and 7 are indicators |
| 23:34.01 | starseeker | ``Erik: oh, by the by - are you planning to un-weird-ify the isst user navigation? |
| 23:34.07 | ``Erik | yes. |
| 23:34.11 | starseeker | sweet |
| 23:34.30 | ``Erik | I'm refactoring things to be clean and generic to make gui's trivial to write |
| 23:34.54 | ``Erik | and then have a few versions to slap on (cocoa, gtk, sdl, tk, mebbe qt...) |
| 23:35.12 | louipc | is 7 out now? |
| 23:35.19 | ``Erik | libdm... |
| 23:35.42 | ``Erik | windows 7 has been out for a bit now, I think |
| 23:35.44 | starseeker | ogre... :-P |
| 23:36.02 | starseeker | tries to ignore Windows releases... |
| 23:36.15 | ``Erik | mebbe it's pre-release versions I've been hearing about |
| 23:36.23 | louipc | I thought it was just beta |
| 23:36.30 | louipc | or RCs |
| 23:36.38 | ``Erik | hum, says oct 22 for release |
| 23:36.45 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 23:37.29 | ``Erik | doesn't quite see how ogre would be a viable interface for adrt... ogre is the engine below the interface, just like adrt... O.o |
| 23:37.49 | starseeker | was thinking integrate it into the ogre+qt g3d stuff |
| 23:38.04 | starseeker | nevermind - just idle humor |
| 23:38.21 | ``Erik | ok, so g3d would be the frontend and adrt would be the optional ogre replacement :D |
| 23:39.14 | starseeker | yeah, in that case you'd just render into ogre like we render into ogl now for a raytrace I guess (well, except working properly...) |
| 23:39.55 | ``Erik | do we rasterize raytrace results into an ogl window? I thought just the plot sequences were sent down that pipeline |
| 23:39.58 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 23:40.22 | starseeker | Well, if you compile with opengl enabled, the rt window that pops up says ogl iirc |
| 23:40.51 | starseeker | yeah - /dev/ogl |
| 23:41.01 | starseeker | and at least on my machine it doesn't work so hot |
| 23:41.13 | starseeker | (I think it's a long known issue) |
| 23:41.27 | starseeker | just waiting on someone to really dig down deep and figure it out |
| 23:41.34 | ``Erik | guh |
| 23:41.38 | ``Erik | glDrawPixels() |
| 23:42.28 | ``Erik | (historically, noticably slower than an unaccelerated X window, and stomped by decent XAA...) |
| 23:42.40 | starseeker | even our X raytrace is drawing too slow - Sean and I noticed it when comparing a sphere raytrace to a nurbs sphere raytrace |
| 23:42.53 | ``Erik | um, in mged, or direct? |
| 23:43.01 | starseeker | direct, iirc |
| 23:43.09 | starseeker | or rather, both |
| 23:43.10 | ``Erik | mged uses the network framebuffer which does some r-tarded lock crap or something |
| 23:43.26 | ``Erik | so on a fast multicore machine, it's hard to get a decent amount of cpu utilization |
| 23:43.34 | starseeker | yeah, IMHO the whole thing needs a rethink/serious cleanup |
| 23:43.40 | ``Erik | but 'rt' talks straight to the fb, so it's able to cook the cpu's pretty good |
| 23:44.41 | ``Erik | thought rt was being called with like -P0 or something at first, until digging into it and spotting the ugly |
| 23:45.31 | starseeker | heh |
| 23:45.51 | starseeker | yeah, modern hardware exposes some interesting issues |
| 23:47.48 | starseeker | it almost feels like some kind of double buffering is needed - render N lines to a buffer then update that part of the window |
| 23:51.48 | ``Erik | *readreadread* looks like libpkg makes some assumptions that may no longer be valid? plus a whole lot of logic for each send (therefore each scanline) |
| 23:52.35 | ``Erik | a better IPC approach might be the right thing for that |
| 23:52.42 | ``Erik | if_shm.c ? :) |
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| 23:53.54 | ``Erik | (or unix sockets, or at least jumbo frames) |
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| 05:35.01 | starseeker | makes sure he has valgrind and vim+cscope working on his box in prep for the move |
| 05:56.08 | starseeker | hmm - interesting. Is there any reason BU_GETSTRUCT would be messed up by being in a cpp file? |
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| 09:16.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35879 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe.c: |
| 09:16.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: extended rt_pipe_ck() by a check of inner_diameter < outer_diameter and used this to do the check of a pipe's correctness in rt_pipe_adjust() at the end of the function |
| 09:16.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: this way an only temporary invalid pipe segment will not be considered as an error any more |
| 11:00.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35880 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 11:00.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: in rt_pipe_adjust() an only temporary invalid pipe segment will not be considered as an error any more |
| 11:00.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: (revision 35879) |
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| 12:01.50 | brlcad | starseeker: good luck with the move and valgrinding :) |
| 12:02.18 | brlcad | and no, shouldn't be a problem, it's just a malloc call |
| 12:02.42 | brlcad | d_rossberg: awesome :) |
| 12:05.40 | ``Erik | heh http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1811646 |
| 12:19.38 | Yoshi47 | now thats funny, you see the phone fight |
| 12:30.31 | ``Erik | hrm? |
| 12:31.09 | Yoshi47 | same website, |
| 12:31.29 | ``Erik | I'm sure I've seen it, not quite recalling which it is |
| 12:31.57 | Yoshi47 | man do threads take a long time to render! |
| 12:32.35 | ``Erik | depends on how they're defined |
| 12:32.49 | Yoshi47 | really accurate! |
| 12:32.56 | Yoshi47 | from the hex database |
| 12:33.03 | ``Erik | "hex database"? |
| 12:33.13 | ``Erik | the thing clock came up with? with all the tgc's? |
| 12:33.14 | Yoshi47 | off of brlcad.org |
| 12:33.38 | Yoshi47 | i think so |
| 12:34.20 | ``Erik | that's a brutal overlap case, try hitting it with facetize and a pretty good tolerance, see if it's still "good enough" and faster |
| 12:34.45 | ``Erik | (or if you can think of a better way to define them until 'rotate' and 'sweep' are fully online...) |
| 12:34.47 | Yoshi47 | you lost me! |
| 12:35.09 | Yoshi47 | i know nothign of facetize |
| 12:35.18 | ``Erik | the "facetize" command converts geometry to "BoTs", calculated triangle soup |
| 12:36.33 | Yoshi47 | hrm... |
| 12:36.38 | ``Erik | instead of computing a bajillion tgc's and doing all the bool weave stuff to get your end bolt, you could facetize it and just have a bunch of triangles to test, instead... should be less computationally expensive to raytrace |
| 12:36.59 | Yoshi47 | im scared |
| 12:37.08 | ``Erik | the trick is balancing accuracy vs performance, since it's an approximation |
| 12:37.12 | Yoshi47 | wondering whats going to happen |
| 12:37.15 | ``Erik | it's ok, baby, it only hurts at first |
| 12:37.18 | ``Erik | O;-) |
| 12:37.21 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 12:37.55 | ``Erik | make some scrap geometry like a sphere and try 'facetize' on it, it tesselates the geometry into a new primitive for ya |
| 12:38.00 | ``Erik | (when it works) |
| 12:38.13 | Yoshi47 | so if i have 4 bolts that i subtract from a block to make inner threads, i would facetize the 4 bolts and it would still work, but the 4 bolts that are going in the threaded hole i would have to facetize too so there is no overlaps? |
| 12:39.06 | ``Erik | you'd have, say, a region made up of some complex geometry, thousands of primitives |
| 12:39.13 | ``Erik | then you'd facetize, say, the region |
| 12:39.21 | ``Erik | and get a single 'bot' primitive with roughly the same geometry |
| 12:39.57 | ``Erik | it does not alter existing geometry, it creates new geometry, it's pretty safe :) |
| 12:40.45 | Yoshi47 | oh so i would do it to my whole combination that contains the threads and bolts and bearings? |
| 12:41.05 | Yoshi47 | i'll do a backup first |
| 12:41.13 | ``Erik | whatever you want to become a new single primitive |
| 12:41.21 | Yoshi47 | cool |
| 12:41.24 | Yoshi47 | im going to try |
| 12:41.54 | ``Erik | for the bearing, I'd probably facetize the inner runner, outer runner, each bearing, etc... so each bot is independent |
| 12:42.26 | ``Erik | slaps an outboard motor on his car and sees if it stays floating all the way to work |
| 12:43.36 | Yoshi47 | so facetize newpart old part, or should i use the options, i read them but don't know if i need to use them or not |
| 12:49.55 | Yoshi47 | i think it froze? it was going through all the lines of parts but now its not moving and then menus in mged aren't doing anything either |
| 13:02.06 | brlcad | http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-10-2009/0005091867&EDATE= |
| 13:03.58 | brlcad | Yoshi47: facetizing one of those bolts is going to take a very long time |
| 13:04.07 | brlcad | check your cpu, it's probably burning |
| 13:04.19 | Yoshi47 | ok, then i'll let it go for the day or weekend! |
| 13:04.21 | brlcad | by "long time", possibly several hours |
| 13:04.41 | Yoshi47 | shes only using one cpu, that leaves the other for me to use for other stuff so i can still work |
| 13:04.58 | brlcad | I think when I last ran it on his bolts, there were a handful of bolts in the model and it took 26 hours |
| 13:05.19 | brlcad | yeah, it's only a single-cpu process .. part why it's slow |
| 13:30.21 | brlcad | ``Erik: heh, you'll probably appreciate this if you haven't seen it yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo&feature=channel_page |
| 13:46.16 | ``Erik | ok, will farrel as neil diamond... that's... just... wrong... |
| 13:48.54 | ``Erik | recognized sandberg, had to dig a bit to figure out why heh |
| 14:04.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 0362.80.184.178 07http://brlcad.org * r1619 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Third-party Projects */ |
| 14:07.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1620 10/wiki/Main_Page: Undo revision 1619 by [[Special:Contributions/62.80.184.178|62.80.184.178]] ([[User talk:62.80.184.178|Talk]]) |
| 14:09.05 | ``Erik | spam spam spam and egg salad |
| 14:09.17 | brlcad | it wasn't really spam, just pointless |
| 14:09.30 | brlcad | someone added a link to wikipedia |
| 14:09.33 | ``Erik | most wiki updates seem to be spam or antispam lately |
| 14:09.54 | brlcad | because nobody is editing the wiki, sure :) |
| 14:10.07 | ``Erik | that alienware laptop is impressive, but I think would be a bad thing for 'selling' the software |
| 14:10.21 | ``Erik | still recent wounds from 'awe'... :) |
| 14:10.35 | brlcad | awe? |
| 14:10.54 | brlcad | oooh |
| 14:10.54 | ``Erik | :) |
| 14:11.12 | brlcad | how so though? |
| 14:11.20 | brlcad | it should be faster than the go cart |
| 14:11.36 | ``Erik | yeah, but "speed" is secondary to "usability" at this point, I think... |
| 14:11.36 | brlcad | at 15 lbs iirc? |
| 14:12.10 | brlcad | true, but in terms of a portable demo .. if that's to start |
| 14:12.17 | brlcad | or you're saying it's not time to start yet |
| 14:12.37 | brlcad | remember how long it might take to get said lappy :) .. |
| 14:12.42 | ``Erik | I think there's a feeling that you need special hardware and an expert to use the software, one of the things I've busted ass to do is make it so it "just works", more along the apple thinking than the linux thinking, y'know? |
| 14:13.40 | brlcad | the laptop should actually hope dispell the special hardware need |
| 14:13.54 | brlcad | i mean i thought a new mbp would work fine too and it's time anyways |
| 14:14.41 | ``Erik | yeah *shrug* that laptop "looks different", though, *shrug* mebbe I'm being oversensitive to the perception thing :) |
| 14:15.22 | ``Erik | is there an extra copy of msvc or something floating around? I want a winderz build and I can't coerce tcl to build sanely with --no-cygwin |
| 14:15.46 | brlcad | if nobody calls attention to it, it'll just be a black box |
| 14:16.06 | brlcad | hm, there is |
| 14:17.01 | ``Erik | drawing attention to "and look, you probably have one of these on your desk!" might be enough to snap any lingering misperceptions |
| 14:17.46 | brlcad | or better yet, "hey and the mac sitting on your desk is more than twice as fast" |
| 14:18.40 | brlcad | mm.. /dev/cocoa libdm interface :) |
| 14:19.04 | ``Erik | *shrug* I have other things to worry about before a big demo |
| 14:19.06 | brlcad | you'd think I would have thought about that earlier given I have the code we'd need sitting in bz |
| 14:19.09 | ``Erik | mostly how to shame the team upstairs :> |
| 14:19.33 | brlcad | i think the idea was for starseeker to make some rounds |
| 14:19.53 | brlcad | as part of a follow-up "here's a set of cool things", adrt being one of them |
| 14:19.59 | ``Erik | ponders using an "icanhascheezburger" image with "UR DOIN IT RONG" O:-) |
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| 14:21.52 | brlcad | sent http://bzflag.bz/tmp/wrong.jpg to his rower buddies |
| 14:21.53 | ``Erik | (ya in today? I'm thinkin' about lunch already heh) |
| 14:22.33 | brlcad | nah, day off working from home .. so I can actually get this release out and some announcements sent |
| 14:22.41 | ``Erik | aight |
| 14:22.46 | ``Erik | meditates on plugin architectures |
| 14:25.41 | ``Erik | hehehe, "another shotline selection tool" :D |
| 14:25.56 | ``Erik | (or "apple shotline selection tool"? my cocoa experiment :D) |
| 14:28.06 | brlcad | the "ASS Tool" does have a certain ring to it |
| 14:31.09 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, release? |
| 14:31.19 | brlcad | Yoshi47: yes? |
| 14:31.28 | Yoshi47 | 1.4.? |
| 14:31.35 | Yoshi47 | 7.14.? |
| 14:31.36 | Yoshi47 | i mean |
| 14:32.19 | brlcad | 7.16.0 |
| 14:32.26 | Yoshi47 | what is the status on rotate and sweep? |
| 14:32.32 | brlcad | unchanged |
| 14:32.40 | Yoshi47 | usable? |
| 14:32.57 | brlcad | rotate is almost complete, sweep isn't started |
| 14:33.09 | Yoshi47 | ok |
| 14:33.11 | Yoshi47 | thanks |
| 14:33.37 | Yoshi47 | looking into xdmx right now so i can run brlcad ontwo monitors |
| 14:33.38 | brlcad | pacman87_ is unfortunately off smelling graduate roses and such :) |
| 14:33.53 | brlcad | otherwise sweep would be teh awesome by now :) |
| 14:34.49 | Yoshi47 | would be the awesome? like done or usable? |
| 14:35.51 | Yoshi47 | so what can i expect in 7.16 for functionality as a newbie, or am i an ammie |
| 14:36.06 | Yoshi47 | when do i become a non-newbie |
| 14:38.15 | Yoshi47 | peopleofwalmart.com |
| 14:38.18 | ``Erik | "teh awesome", not "the awesome" |
| 14:38.31 | ``Erik | teh intarwebz is SRS BSNES!!@~ |
| 14:38.33 | Yoshi47 | teh? |
| 14:38.38 | Yoshi47 | yes im stupid |
| 14:38.53 | ``Erik | no, the anticulture that came up with "teh" is stupid :D |
| 14:39.01 | _clock_ | agriculture? |
| 14:39.16 | ``Erik | sends Yoshi47 to http://icanhascheezburger.com/ for "re-education" O:-) |
| 14:40.09 | ``Erik | clock: your bolts are brutal, but a fairly clever way to represent them O.o |
| 14:40.56 | _clock_ | ``Erik: hehe thanks |
| 14:40.59 | _clock_ | feels proud |
| 14:45.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35881 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (11 files in 3 dirs): remove obsolete shtuff (the repo remembers.) |
| 14:46.47 | ``Erik | damnit |
| 14:47.45 | ``Erik | "svn commit" "ok, let me get rea" oh, wait, noooo C^^C^C^C^C^C" "fuck you, I'm gonna lock the term and send it ANYWAYS! PTBTBTBT" |
| 14:48.13 | ``Erik | and now my tree is full of conflicts. *sigh* |
| 14:48.58 | brlcad | Yoshi47: you can see the list of user-visible changes for each release at http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/NEWS |
| 14:49.27 | brlcad | investigates libdispatch |
| 14:49.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35882 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/Makefile.am: remove obsolete shtuff (the repo remembers.) |
| 14:51.26 | ``Erik | oh, the 'magic' parallel computation for osX? |
| 14:55.52 | brlcad | yeah, they open sourced it |
| 14:56.57 | ``Erik | distchecks to see what he broke |
| 14:57.11 | brlcad | removing subproject authors and readme? |
| 14:57.26 | ``Erik | among other things |
| 14:57.55 | brlcad | the other things aren't interesting :) |
| 14:57.58 | ``Erik | working towards more integration, less 'subproject'ness |
| 14:59.51 | brlcad | hm, okay |
| 14:59.55 | ``Erik | was thinking about merging the ChangeLog into the toplevel one, but *shrug* |
| 15:00.00 | brlcad | those two aren't necessarily orthogonal, though :) |
| 15:00.35 | brlcad | e.g., thinking of making several of the libs more proper sub-projecty |
| 15:00.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35883 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (bench/ scripts/): remove obsolete shtuff (the repo remembers.) |
| 15:01.24 | brlcad | libbu as a stand-alone project, libpkg, benchmark, etc |
| 15:02.56 | ``Erik | Xorg style? |
| 15:03.04 | brlcad | yeah, sort of |
| 15:03.19 | ``Erik | hm |
| 15:03.24 | brlcad | still unified, but a way to make them be stand-alone distributable |
| 15:03.27 | ``Erik | "libbu? why not just use glib2?" |
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| 15:03.47 | brlcad | because libbu is better, of course |
| 15:03.54 | brlcad | (and it's closer to APR) |
| 15:04.02 | ``Erik | *shrug* note the double quotes there ;) |
| 15:05.20 | brlcad | making them work well alone will help manage our growth complexity |
| 15:06.03 | brlcad | with a formalized concept of a subproject, new devs can get involved with a portion that is "well defined" |
| 15:06.19 | brlcad | without needing to know the complexities and code creep |
| 15:06.36 | ``Erik | amusingly, I argued long and hard on that for the upstairs project, but I'm not entirely sold on the approach for BRL-CAD :D |
| 15:06.47 | brlcad | e.g., liboptical would make for a horrible subproject right now as it's horribly intermixed with librt |
| 15:07.26 | ``Erik | yeah, ... the "DEPENDS" tag can be used to figure out the dependancy graph (if all targets were apropriately set) |
| 15:07.48 | ``Erik | (adding that was as much for me to understand how things link together as the actual rule...) |
| 15:07.50 | brlcad | I also think we'll get more exposure for folks just looking for a simple library that does something well, for whatever their application is |
| 15:08.45 | ``Erik | heh, it'd really screw with the brains of the people who think BRL-CAD and their projects *MUST* be released at the same time :> |
| 15:08.53 | brlcad | plus making a few of the core pieces stand-alone with reinforce keeping the API lines clean .. making sure DEPENDS stays clean |
| 15:09.35 | brlcad | libbu, libbn, and libpkg are really easy ones to clean up (pkg is practically done) |
| 15:10.35 | brlcad | it's not to say separate tarballs would be required, there's still be the brlcad.tar.gz source bundle |
| 15:11.05 | brlcad | but perhaps binary distros for sub-projects that are stand-alone |
| 15:11.26 | ``Erik | hm |
| 15:12.00 | brlcad | where ./configure --enable-only-benchmark ends up with a binary dist tarball of just that stuff |
| 15:12.50 | brlcad | along with sections for those projects on the website |
| 15:13.06 | brlcad | brlcad.org/project or similar |
| 16:46.08 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, i know your busy with the release but did you ever run the impeller render? |
| 17:08.26 | brlcad | Yoshi47: I did, but I don't have it on hand at the moment |
| 17:08.41 | Yoshi47 | oh ok |
| 17:08.51 | brlcad | you're in the queue for a mailing announcment though :) |
| 17:08.52 | Yoshi47 | both chrome and glass? or just one? |
| 17:09.10 | Yoshi47 | ok |
| 17:09.10 | brlcad | you saw the glass one right? |
| 17:09.12 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/impeller.png |
| 17:09.27 | Yoshi47 | the first one yes, but i redid the impeller from scratch for the tutorial |
| 17:09.38 | Yoshi47 | didi you do my new impeller or the old one |
| 17:10.02 | brlcad | erm, the only one I had so it should have been the new one |
| 17:10.04 | Yoshi47 | looks like the old one, the new one has a keyway |
| 17:10.12 | brlcad | otherwise I would have been able to give you the .g |
| 17:10.29 | brlcad | o.O |
| 17:11.20 | brlcad | can check the date/logs :) |
| 17:11.59 | ``Erik | *burp* |
| 17:12.06 | Yoshi47 | i uploaded the txt file and you could recreate it line by line... but you decided to be lazy and try it in one command but that didn't work |
| 17:12.52 | Yoshi47 | i never gave you the g code, i can if you want? but i figured you could just test out my tutorial lines like someone who would be learning it would |
| 17:13.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35884 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/g_bot_include.c: Fixed a bug that was causing left-hand rule bots to raytrace incorrectly. |
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| 17:16.09 | brlcad | heh, not just lazy .. that should work as part of normal behavior .. something is wrong somewhere |
| 17:16.30 | brlcad | either a bug in the sourcing command, or a bug in the script |
| 17:17.19 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 17:17.39 | Yoshi47 | i tried it line by line in mged and it worked, and i did it 3 times |
| 17:20.17 | brlcad | things to try turning off glob compat and trying line by line that way, or sourcing more and more of the file until it doesn't match, or simply reviewing the two outputs (manually and sourced) to see what is different |
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| 18:33.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35885 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 18:33.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bob fixed a bug with BoT ray tracing where it wasn't correctly identifying the |
| 18:33.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bot_orientation for left-handed BoTs, which made them render wrong. Swapped |
| 18:33.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bot_mode with bot_orientation and the problem is fixed. (those should be |
| 18:33.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: typedefs so we could have gotten a type error). |
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| 18:59.03 | indianlarry | starseeker: Can you convert the 'shape1' geom to step and put out under your 'bz' directory? |
| 18:59.15 | indianlarry | Left my copy there... |
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| 19:05.32 | starseeker | indianlarry: sorry, moving today :-( |
| 19:08.26 | indianlarry | starseeker: No biggy just playin... |
| 19:10.00 | brlcad | indianlarry: pm |
| 19:11.47 | indianlarry | brlcad: pm? |
| 19:11.54 | brlcad | ~pm |
| 19:11.55 | ibot | well, pm is project manager, or private message, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission |
| 19:12.03 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:12.05 | brlcad | privmsg |
| 19:13.20 | brlcad | ctrl-n :) |
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| 19:23.37 | louipc | prime minister |
| 19:26.49 | brlcad | post meridian |
| 19:27.06 | indianlarry | phat man |
| 19:27.26 | brlcad | punny monkey |
| 19:28.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35886 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/librt/librt.vcproj: Mods to accomodate the move of arbn_brep.cpp |
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| 19:35.19 | alex_joni | pm = picometer |
| 19:35.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35887 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 19:35.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: in rt_pipe_adjust() an only temporary invalid pipe segment will not be |
| 19:35.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: considered as an error any more (reword for brevity, release prep, revision |
| 19:35.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 35879). this addresses a problem reported by randerson303 on discussion forum |
| 19:35.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: where a g2asc+asc2g would fail with a bot outer diameter must be larger than |
| 19:35.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: inner diameter error. |
| 19:35.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35888 10/brlcad/trunk/src/external/ProEngineer/proe-brl.c: |
| 19:35.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Even though proe spits out left-hand rule triangles, set things back to have |
| 19:35.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: "no" orientation in case proe ever spits out a mixed bag of left and right hand |
| 19:35.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: triangles. While we're at it, since proe seems to be spitting out left-hand rule |
| 19:35.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: triangles (i.e. clockwise), reverse this to be right-hand rule (i.e. |
| 19:35.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: counter-clockwise) so that shaded-mode works properly without having to run |
| 19:35.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bot_flip. |
| 19:57.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35889 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob changed the pro/e exporter to output bots with a right-hand ordering, but the bot is labeled as unoriented just in case there are mixed-orientations being output for some objects. |
| 20:06.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35890 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 20:06.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: need something like a 'select' command for libged so that there can be stateful |
| 20:06.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: namable temporary selections/groupings of objects. this allows a command-line |
| 20:06.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: mechanism for common gui selection operations (band select, clicked selections, |
| 20:06.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: volumetric selections). |
| 20:10.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35891 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: oh yeah, can replace sphgroup with select. |
| 20:16.40 | brlcad | indianlarry: ping |
| 20:16.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35892 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 20:16.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: this is cool. bob implemented support for sub-object erasures where you can |
| 20:16.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: d/erase an object within a currently displayed object. it will expand the |
| 20:16.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: display list to the list of sub-objects still currently displayed (e.g. e all.g; |
| 20:16.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: d all.g/platform.r; who; and it'll report all.g/cone.r all.g/light.r, etc). |
| 20:29.24 | ``Erik | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/10/yeah-ok-so-facebook-punkd-us/ nice |
| 20:31.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35893 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob added bot_flip and bot_sync commands to archer (which should be nearly all or all of them now). |
| 20:36.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35894 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 20:36.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: stephen 'el magnifico' kennedy wrote a procedural human geometry generator |
| 20:36.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: (called 'human') that was added to mged and archer. in addition to a |
| 20:36.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: command-line command, there's an initial (possibly non-functioning) archer |
| 20:36.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: plugin gui too. |
| 20:37.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35895 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 20:37.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: reword as it wasn't added to mged... stephen 'el magnifico' kennedy wrote a |
| 20:37.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: procedural human geometry generator (called 'human') that was added to archer. |
| 20:37.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: in addition to a command-line command, there's an initial (possibly |
| 20:37.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: non-functioning) archer plugin gui too. implemented with bob's help of course. |
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| 20:41.48 | brlcad | wonders what the heck erase -o is supposed to mean |
| 20:43.27 | brlcad | god, bob .. hope you didn't use 'o' for 'only' non-unique |
| 20:44.19 | ``Erik | want me to go slap him? :D |
| 20:46.25 | brlcad | could ask him what it means .. I see it makes it add all attribute matches .. but I don't see why you'd not want to always do that |
| 20:46.52 | brlcad | trying to pull together the release notes, that one make no sense |
| 20:48.20 | ``Erik | he's in the other building doing some compiles |
| 20:48.36 | brlcad | darn |
| 20:48.44 | brlcad | okay, I'll just leave it out |
| 20:48.59 | ``Erik | (ed said he should be back pretty soon) |
| 20:49.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35896 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob added a -A option to the d/erase command that will erase objects that contain a specified attribute name=val match. not documenting the odd -o option just yet. |
| 20:52.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35897 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: meester anderson fixed the bigE command which wasn't reporting the display list name post libged migration. |
| 20:53.21 | brlcad | gah, draw has a -A/-o too |
| 20:55.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35898 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob added a -A option to the d/erase and e/draw commands that will erase/draw objects that contain a specified attribute name=val match. not documenting the odd -o option just yet. |
| 21:06.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35899 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: style ws indent consistency cleanup |
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| 21:26.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35900 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/g-adrt.c: remove dead file |
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| 22:22.58 | ``Erik | brlcad: talked to bob |
| 22:23.26 | ``Erik | he saw the -o and was just replicating, he didn't put any kinda focused thought into it |
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| 00:19.58 | ``Erik | so, uh, yeah, uh, this one time, at band camp |
| 01:42.52 | Yoshi477 | ... |
| 01:43.46 | ``Erik | ssshhhhh |
| 01:43.52 | Yoshi477 | watching a movie! |
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| 02:07.26 | ``Erik | this "russell brand" guy is actualy... not funny. |
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| 04:09.06 | brlcad | ``Erik: thanks, sounds like bob :) |
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| 12:51.48 | ``Erik | I wonder if gcd will stay small once it's ported to everything in existance |
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| 03:38.35 | Ralith | brlcad: hear about the Haiku R1 release? |
| 03:39.26 | brlcad | yes! |
| 03:39.26 | brlcad | good stuff |
| 03:41.52 | Ralith | is hopeful that it will go places |
| 03:42.14 | Ralith | though I have to say, after getting into CL I'm still dreaming of a contemporary lisp machine. |
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| 10:15.07 | d-lo | Mernin all! |
| 11:08.20 | Yoshi47 | hi, my facetize still going! |
| 11:08.34 | d-lo | nice, whats the CPU time thus far? |
| 11:08.41 | Yoshi47 | one sec |
| 11:08.53 | Yoshi47 | 4219:41 |
| 11:09.15 | d-lo | well, at least is hasn't crapped out yet :) |
| 11:09.40 | Yoshi47 | how do you know that it hasn't? thats the question... |
| 11:13.07 | d-lo | Oh, brlcad either works or it doesn't. |
| 11:13.19 | d-lo | if its still running, then its doing something :) |
| 11:16.02 | Yoshi47 | ok well my window frozen and i can't see anything going on, but i'll take your word. |
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| 14:48.08 | brlcad | is excited to try haiku, but must resist...till release posts at least |
| 14:48.21 | d-lo | vas dat? |
| 14:48.26 | starseeker | hehe |
| 14:48.38 | brlcad | d-lo: Haiku OS |
| 14:48.47 | starseeker | attempt at open BeOS |
| 14:48.51 | d-lo | kk |
| 14:49.03 | brlcad | they did more than attempt :) |
| 14:49.06 | starseeker | if it really does what BeOS does, it could be Awesome |
| 14:49.41 | starseeker | hasn't tried it in a long while - did they achieve the multithreaded responsiveness of the original? |
| 14:49.42 | brlcad | they were the "Open BeOS" folks iirc, but changed their name to avoid problems |
| 14:50.39 | brlcad | been following them since inception, first goal was full API compatibility before performance |
| 14:50.44 | brlcad | and even ABI compatibility |
| 14:50.56 | brlcad | so old binaries, even proprietary ones, still work |
| 14:51.10 | starseeker | nods |
| 14:51.14 | brlcad | from what I've seen, some is actually faster than original BeOS |
| 14:51.26 | brlcad | but then other parts aren't yet, still a LOT of driver work that needs to happen |
| 14:52.04 | starseeker | if they can achieve the responsiveness and multimedia capabilities, and someone does some serious porting of the major open source apps to the platform, it could get really interesting |
| 14:52.22 | brlcad | a lot of what beos did that was awesome has since been picked up by other systems (linux, mac, and even some aspects in windows) |
| 14:52.36 | brlcad | but much is fundamental at a kernel level |
| 14:52.41 | starseeker | nods |
| 14:52.49 | starseeker | yeah, that's what I was wondering about |
| 14:53.00 | starseeker | last I recall, they were using some research kernel that had dubious support |
| 14:54.16 | brlcad | they started with http://newos.org/ |
| 14:55.38 | brlcad | which was written by one of the beos kernel devs |
| 14:56.24 | brlcad | course, that was forked more than a half-decade ago and the haiku team has been going non-stop on it since |
| 14:56.29 | starseeker | ah |
| 14:56.39 | starseeker | so they're maintaining their own kernel |
| 14:56.45 | brlcad | yeah |
| 14:57.02 | brlcad | they have distinct dev teams |
| 14:57.12 | starseeker | must concede it makes sense for such a project |
| 14:57.26 | d-lo | am I the only one that considers the word 'fork' as one of the top 20 'easiest words to make a joke out of' ? |
| 14:57.27 | brlcad | yeah, way too much to do |
| 14:57.53 | brlcad | there are more than a dozen teams, each team with anywhere from a couple to a dozen core folks working that area |
| 14:58.47 | brlcad | basically one for each major area. networking, filesystem, app api, game api, input devices, printing, gui, basic services, etc |
| 15:00.29 | starseeker | wow |
| 15:01.41 | brlcad | things have been accellerating quickly ever since they were able to self-host back in April |
| 15:02.18 | brlcad | that (and networking) was the biggest failing the last time I gave them a try about a year ago .. couldn't really compile anything without jumping major hurdles |
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| 15:30.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35901 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: cliff made the 3dm-g importer create an automatic top-level combination, using an object name that is the same name as the output filename. |
| 15:32.37 | starseeker | oops, sorry - forgot about that |
| 15:40.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35902 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 15:40.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bob reversed the order of the copyeval command so that arguments are new |
| 15:40.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: followed by old. in doing so, he removed the option to specify the path |
| 15:40.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: elements individually (i.e. 'all.g box.r box.s' is no longer allowed. One must |
| 15:40.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: instead specify it as all.g/box.r/box.s). |
| 15:47.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35903 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (surfaceintersect.cpp surfaceintersect.h): ws/indent/comment cleanup. fix headers (they shouldn't be declared as relative locals, they're public headers). |
| 15:54.18 | kanzure | hm, how does surfaceintersect.cpp work? |
| 15:54.21 | kanzure | bounding box? |
| 15:55.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35904 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: prefix MIN to minize conflict, remove unused safesqrt |
| 15:57.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35905 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/bot.c: escape them all for consistency |
| 15:58.23 | brlcad | starseeker: no problem, that's why I review everything :) |
| 15:58.40 | brlcad | just had a massive backlog |
| 15:58.43 | brlcad | only 15 to go! |
| 15:58.55 | brlcad | kanzure: it's a dev app just for testing purposes |
| 15:59.08 | brlcad | it has a couple surfaces in it and it attempts to evaluate the intersection of those surfaces |
| 15:59.21 | brlcad | jdoliner was working on it |
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| 16:05.59 | kanzure | ah okay |
| 16:06.07 | kanzure | actually I don't know why I suggested that it might be bounding box |
| 16:06.18 | kanzure | that's overkill, you can just solve it algebraically |
| 16:06.24 | kanzure | er, in this case numerically |
| 16:36.23 | brlcad | yeah, which is pretty much what it's doing |
| 16:36.36 | brlcad | but still non-trivial numerical solve |
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| 17:45.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35907 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: cliff added a new 'bb' command that creates bounding boxes and/or reports bounding box dimensions. this new command will later replace the 'make_bb' command. (rewording for backlog change tracking) |
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| 20:28.21 | brlcad | Ralith: you still need to upload your code |
| 20:45.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03119.111.124.194 07http://brlcad.org * r1621 10/wiki/Template:Filepath:Wiki.png: New page: Click here to see writing service for [http://www.term-paper.biz/ term papers] with good quality. |
| 20:45.26 | brlcad | grr |
| 20:46.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/delete: |
| 20:46.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: deleted "[[Template:Filepath:Wiki.png]]": content was: 'Click here to see |
| 20:46.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: writing service for [http://www.term-paper.biz/ term papers] with good quality.' |
| 20:46.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: (and the only contributor was |
| 20:46.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: '[[Special:Contributions/119.111.124.194|119.111.124.194]]') |
| 20:46.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:119.111.124.194]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
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| 21:30.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35908 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob added a -n 'no-action' option to the mvall command where it just reports the objects that would be affected/changed (similar to dbfind/search) without actually doing the move. |
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| 08:50.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35911 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 08:50.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: john anderson improved bot ray tracing by adding vertex validation to its prep |
| 08:50.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: routine. lee butler had reported sf bug 1592074 (Bot does not raytrace) where a |
| 08:50.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 'count from one' indices were being used instead of 'count from zero' indices. |
| 08:50.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: now it validates and reports the error. |
| 11:05.55 | Yoshi47 | well, its still facetizing, 5652:18 mged, shouldn't the DB change size? |
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| 11:49.47 | brlcad | Yoshi47: no, it's mostly in memory processing until its done |
| 11:49.57 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 11:50.21 | brlcad | it'll finish.. it just might take a really really long time |
| 11:50.35 | brlcad | unless you run out of memory of course |
| 11:50.37 | Yoshi47 | well its a nice break from thinking! |
| 11:50.45 | Yoshi47 | memory not even half used |
| 11:50.47 | Yoshi47 | i got 4gb |
| 11:50.52 | brlcad | thats good |
| 11:51.13 | brlcad | so not swapping |
| 11:51.34 | brlcad | you don't see pageins do you? |
| 11:52.18 | Yoshi47 | pageins? |
| 11:52.50 | brlcad | if you run top, it should show pageins and pagesouts |
| 11:52.56 | brlcad | call counts |
| 11:53.57 | Yoshi47 | i don't see anything like that in top |
| 11:54.01 | Yoshi47 | where abouts? |
| 11:55.45 | brlcad | not that important :) |
| 11:56.11 | Yoshi47 | ok |
| 11:56.30 | Yoshi47 | i have to work on setting up a mozilla udpate server on our domain |
| 12:01.52 | louipc | that updates your mozillas? |
| 12:02.34 | d-lo | I keep my mozillas out back, in a pen. |
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| 12:20.20 | Yoshi47 | louipc, yep and mozilla product and since wer have at least 50 pcs here it would be a good idea to get firefox, thundebird, and our custom xulrunner to update from a local server |
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| 12:50.07 | louipc | wow nice |
| 13:51.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1625 10/wiki/Compiling: remove superfluous options |
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| 14:03.08 | brlcad | woot |
| 14:03.10 | brlcad | http://www.ohloh.net/p/brlcad/factoids/1890304 |
| 14:04.39 | brlcad | and http://www.ohloh.net/p/brlcad/factoids/1890305 |
| 14:05.13 | brlcad | interesting (but not surprising) that our comment ratio is above average |
| 14:14.31 | Yoshi47 | good job! |
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| 14:29.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35912 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: fb-png gamma correction seems to be rather wrong (way too bright) or my expectations are wrong in that it's not even close to the fb image. |
| 14:32.31 | starseeker | yay, my primary language is no longer xml :-) |
| 14:32.53 | ``Erik | hum, in creating an account, it eated all my kudos |
| 14:43.22 | louipc | hehe cool |
| 15:35.20 | Yoshi47 | starseeker, whats it now? |
| 15:35.50 | starseeker | C |
| 15:36.34 | Yoshi47 | AH |
| 15:36.39 | Yoshi47 | mine is baby talk |
| 15:36.59 | starseeker | heh |
| 15:37.21 | starseeker | you mean Visual Basic? ;-P |
| 15:37.24 | Yoshi47 | my little girl is starting to talk well if you can call it talk, |
| 15:37.26 | Yoshi47 | nope |
| 15:37.30 | Yoshi47 | i don't like VB |
| 15:37.47 | starseeker | me was thinking VB ~= baby talk |
| 15:37.55 | Yoshi47 | i guess thats true too |
| 15:38.09 | Yoshi47 | VB = M$. me don't like |
| 15:38.34 | starseeker | the early talking stages are fun |
| 15:38.39 | starseeker | if a tad loud |
| 15:38.40 | Yoshi47 | yep |
| 15:39.17 | louipc | NO |
| 15:39.25 | Yoshi47 | i can block any noise out if i want too! ive delt with her winning during her bone marrow transplant for 3 months in a hospital i think i can stand anything now! |
| 15:39.59 | starseeker | louipc: no? |
| 15:40.06 | Yoshi47 | starseeker, NO |
| 15:40.11 | louipc | that's like the most commonly used one |
| 15:40.21 | louipc | that or mama |
| 15:40.23 | starseeker | ah |
| 15:40.27 | Yoshi47 | ours is heh! |
| 15:40.43 | Yoshi47 | or DA or MOM |
| 15:40.45 | louipc | :D |
| 15:40.52 | Yoshi47 | my sons was MOO |
| 15:40.54 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 15:41.17 | Yoshi47 | he once said that in clinic to a bigger lady walking by, cause he said it too everything he sawk, she just laughed |
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| 16:18.41 | kanzure | any SWIG interfaces for brlcad out yet? |
| 17:03.12 | yukonbob_ | kanzure: swig != interface. Is interface generator... |
| 17:23.59 | ``Erik | nope, kanzure, but it'd be awesome if ya implemented :D |
| 18:20.30 | ``Erik | athiest vegetarian zombie metal bands, awesome. |
| 18:32.46 | kanzure | please link to said zombie metal bands |
| 18:36.36 | ``Erik | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=822782 |
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| 00:46.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35913 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/rhc/rhc_brep.cpp: Get closer to hyperbolic shape, still nowhere near correct. |
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| 02:16.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35914 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/rhc/rhc_brep.cpp: Still poking at hyperbola. |
| 03:01.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35915 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/rhc/rhc_brep.cpp: Close, but no cigar. Also won't handle non-axis-aligned cases out of the box - scaling factor distorts control point and 'tilts' surface. May need to 'pre-correct' control point so scaling puts it in the right place. |
| 03:01.53 | brlcad | i think indianlarry has the cigar |
| 03:02.04 | starseeker | heh |
| 03:03.04 | starseeker | that's getting close for the simple test case - may be something stupid, but I'll have to look in the morning |
| 03:03.14 | starseeker | has a slight case of fried brain |
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| 05:32.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03jdoliner * r35916 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/surfaceintersect.cpp: Removed the assertion that was causing surfaceintersect to crash. Also added a direct test for CurveCurveIntersect instead of testing it throught surfacesurfaceintersect. |
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| 14:22.03 | ``Erik | really? |
| 14:23.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35918 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_X24.c: cannot mix (old) k&r and (new) prototype style declaration. |
| 14:28.38 | brlcad | yeah, that was just a typo .. had already found and fixed |
| 14:33.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35919 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_X24.c: reorder to eliminate forward declarations. |
| 14:39.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35920 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_ogl.c: style ws consistency cleanup |
| 14:40.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35921 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_ogl.c: oop, also indent and formatting consistency |
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| 14:44.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35922 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_ogl.c: reorder to eliminate need for forward declarations |
| 15:04.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35923 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_ogl.c: |
| 15:04.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: increase the maximum ogl framebuffer size from the previous 1280x1024 to |
| 15:04.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 16384x16384 (non-trivial to allow unbounded). moreover, eliminate the odd |
| 15:04.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: shared memory break code that was in place for irix 4 and earlier. this should |
| 15:04.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: fix a problem I ran into where I couldn't fb-fb from a large X framebuffer to an |
| 15:04.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: ogl one. |
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| 15:30.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35924 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/rhc/rhc_brep.cpp: Thanks to Ed, correct calculations determing control point and weight. First successful empty raytrace of rhc_nurb.s - rhc.s |
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| 19:01.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35925 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 19:01.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bob added back a -A option to the d/erase and e/draw commands that will |
| 19:01.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: erase/draw objects that contain a specified attribute name=val match. also |
| 19:01.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: added back -o which does the same thing, but does a boolean 'or' instead of an |
| 19:01.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 'and' on matching attributes. |
| 19:02.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35926 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep_debug.cpp: Need more detailed info on geometry of a surface - get the NURBS form of the surface and print out details. |
| 19:04.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35927 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/libfb/if_4d.c src/libfb/if_ogl.c src/libfb/if_wgl.c): |
| 19:04.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: remove the fake 'fullscreen' option from the ogl/wgl/4d interfaces. it only |
| 19:04.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: sorta worked for old irix, but was still just a big window that happened to |
| 19:04.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: match their maximum supported resolution. instead of just hacking some other |
| 19:04.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: arbitrary size, just remove the option altogether. |
| 19:16.51 | indianlarry | ```````````````````````````````````` |
| 19:17.24 | ``Erik | ya don't say? |
| 19:17.31 | indianlarry | - |
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| 19:28.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35928 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/libfb/if_wgl.c): |
| 19:28.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: increased the upper bound limit for framebufferrs from a (now arbitrarily low) |
| 19:28.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: resolution of 1280x1024 to 16384x16384. non-trivial to make it generalized to |
| 19:28.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: arbitrary resolutions, so good enough. this affects ogl/wgl in particular. |
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| 22:10.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35929 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Check in the early beginnings of epa brep support. |
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| 01:04.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35930 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/epa/epa_brep.cpp: This seems to create an epa geometry for at least the axis aligned case, but for some reason fails to raytrace. |
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| 01:43.22 | starseeker | growl.... why doesn't that work? |
| 01:43.35 | brlcad | because it's wednesday |
| 01:43.42 | brlcad | code rarely ever works on wednesday |
| 01:43.51 | starseeker | heh |
| 01:43.59 | ``Erik | wait, is it a full moon? |
| 01:44.15 | starseeker | the wireframe looks great, indianlarry's surface plotting routine likes it... |
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| 02:16.15 | brlcad | that is so weird. i know it's my machine name, it's pingable, but i have no idea where in my house the machine is |
| 02:16.59 | brlcad | aha! |
| 02:17.19 | brlcad | finds the device tucked away |
| 02:28.29 | ``Erik | heh |
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| 03:10.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35931 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/epa/epa_brep.cpp: |
| 03:10.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Back to the idea of using a known good surface to deduce a template - less |
| 03:10.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: elegant but it DOES raytrace successfully. Will have to apply rotation and |
| 03:10.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: translation operations to make this map to anything off axis, but that should be |
| 03:10.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: doable. |
| 03:13.04 | starseeker | hrm. might need to do a 'half parabola' curve to do a revolve, looking at the wireframe... |
| 03:13.30 | starseeker | oh well, if this proves general it can stay put, however ugly it may be... |
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| 07:55.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35932 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/epa/epa_brep.cpp: |
| 07:55.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: MSVC error: there is no sqrt(int), therefore which overloaded version of sqrt() should the compiler choose: sqrt(float), sqrt(double) or sqrt(long double)? |
| 07:55.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: => changed the parameters (constants) type to double |
| 08:01.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35933 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/CMakeLists.txt: forgot to update this after the reorganization of src/conf CMake files (revision 34269) |
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| 11:34.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35934 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ged.h: |
| 11:34.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: begin providing means to dig into the gedp without the user needing to know the |
| 11:34.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: internal structure directly. provide a GED_INITIALIZED() which checks for a |
| 11:34.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: non-null wdbp. provide GED_LOCAL2BASE() and GED_BASE2LOCAL() that return the |
| 11:34.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: database conversion factors. |
| 11:35.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35935 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/glob.c: first example use of GED_INITIALIZED() to make the database open check return status conditional on the database being initialized. |
| 11:42.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35936 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ged.h: ugh, ged_internal_call? really? this needs to die. |
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| 12:23.14 | Yoshi47 | 8577:14 mged |
| 12:30.00 | d-lo | how complex was the geometry that you were trying to tessilate? |
| 12:45.27 | Yoshi47 | a block with a couple of cut outs, and 6 threaded holes with the M8 bolt from the hex db |
| 12:48.11 | d-lo | any or it BoTs? |
| 12:48.36 | d-lo | s/or/of/g |
| 12:52.58 | Yoshi47 | BoT? whats the again, i haven't been using brlcad for a week now since this thing is going for so long |
| 12:53.11 | d-lo | bag of triangles. |
| 12:53.38 | Yoshi47 | mine are arb8 and the bolts are made out of trc |
| 12:53.44 | Yoshi47 | lots of them |
| 12:54.07 | d-lo | and I am begining to think that a) you were unlucky enough to find a bug, or b) something in your geometry is causing the tessilator to spend Loooots of time. |
| 12:54.21 | d-lo | did you try to tessilate the entire geometry at once? |
| 12:54.25 | Yoshi47 | oh most likely, |
| 12:54.54 | Yoshi47 | im facetize is that the same as tess |
| 12:55.19 | d-lo | yes. |
| 12:55.38 | ``Erik | the bolt is insane, subtracting is will be very brutal on the tesselator |
| 12:55.40 | d-lo | You might try facetizing something lower in the heirarchy first. See if you can figure out what is taking sooooo long. |
| 12:55.41 | Yoshi47 | i just did the whole comb |
| 12:55.57 | Yoshi47 | i don't want to cancel this after that much time do I? |
| 12:56.09 | d-lo | how many cpu's do you have? |
| 12:56.24 | Yoshi47 | dual core and its using the one full time |
| 12:57.04 | d-lo | then make a copy of the db, and play with the copy. run facetize on a few regions to see if you can figure out what geometry is causing the massive slow down. |
| 12:57.23 | Yoshi47 | i guess i could |
| 12:57.29 | Yoshi47 | well see later, |
| 12:57.37 | Yoshi47 | need to do some work at work! |
| 12:58.21 | d-lo | lata |
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| 13:07.11 | _clock_ | lovely bug: |
| 13:07.16 | _clock_ | Fixed an overflow in the timer handling. If the timer happened to be supposed |
| 13:07.19 | _clock_ | to fire few milliseconds before the 32-bit ticks timer wraps around (every 49 |
| 13:07.21 | _clock_ | days) and the system were loaded so that before the trigger of the timer was |
| 13:07.24 | _clock_ | detected, the system time wrapped around, then the timer would be missed and |
| 13:07.26 | _clock_ | trigger again only in approximately 49 days. |
| 13:18.48 | ``Erik | windows 7 sp 1? :D |
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| 13:54.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35937 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: richard weiss added a make_pnts command for importing point cloud data from files with a given specified column ordering. |
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| 13:56.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35938 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: fix copyright and footer, file started in 2009. footer viline has to be at the end of the file or it's ignored. |
| 14:01.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35939 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: minor formatting cleanup |
| 14:23.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35940 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: reduce complexity. use bu_vls strings instead of manually manaaging c-strings. makes memory management easier and the custom whitespace routine can go away. |
| 14:30.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35941 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: another manual temp c-string conversion to a bu_vls string |
| 14:32.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35942 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: style consistency |
| 14:56.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35943 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: the last format string refactoring is a bit more complicated given the logic being employed, but should be a faithful conversion to a bu_vls. needs more testing. |
| 14:59.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35944 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_pnts.c: and now the main point of the refactoring, reduce complexity and entropy by eliminating the redundant whitespace trimming function now that all the places it was being called have been converted to a vls. |
| 15:17.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35945 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 15:17.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bob fixed a bug when raytracing an object that is displayed for editing within a |
| 15:17.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: given subpath context (e.g. draw all.g/cone.r ; rt). the display lists weren't |
| 15:17.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: being tracked as pathed objects, only lists of solids. now they're tracked as |
| 15:17.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: display lists that refers to what the user asked for, each path with its own |
| 15:17.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: solids list. |
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| 16:14.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35946 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: clean up comment formatting, remove a big chunk of unused code for tops/buildtree/getchildren (which don't belong here anyways, need to use/refactor libged or librt). |
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| 16:33.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35947 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: quell most pedantic compilation warnings |
| 16:40.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35948 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Start getting set up for ehy brep. |
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| 20:21.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r35949 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 20:21.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Added getSurfacePoint() that uses the bounding volumes along with the |
| 20:21.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Newton iterate to find the surface UV of a point on the surface. |
| 20:21.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Fixed getCurveEstimateOfV() for decreasing 't' ranges. |
| 20:21.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Added getLeavesBoundingPoint() function to BVNode to return bounding |
| 20:21.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: leafs that contain the point. |
| 20:21.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Initialized m_face to NULL for all BVNode constructors. |
| 20:23.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r35950 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/brep.c librt/primitives/brep/brep_debug.cpp): Updated and added some libged 'brep' command options. Not in usage message yet so still consideer WIP. |
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| 21:04.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35951 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ehy/ehy_brep.cpp: Use a revolve technique, which this time actually raytraces - seems to be generating a match for the ehy on-axis. |
| 21:08.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35952 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ehy/ehy_brep.cpp: Er, scaling the other way. |
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| 02:11.51 | brlcad | yeah, probably something pretty simple too |
| 02:12.15 | brlcad | fb-pix && pix-png works fine .. fb-png gives ass |
| 02:12.38 | brlcad | both assumedly try to apply a profile |
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| 08:38.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r35957 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: updated CMake file to be consistent with Makefile.am |
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| 16:31.28 | brlcad | howdy jdoliner |
| 16:31.35 | jdoliner | hi |
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| 17:09.51 | parigaudi | hi |
| 17:45.17 | brlcad | hello parigaudi |
| 18:04.06 | Yoshi47 | well isn't this a jolly place to be today! |
| 18:20.24 | brlcad | Yoshi47: heh, always |
| 18:20.45 | Yoshi47 | does anyone feel like workingon fridays afts |
| 18:21.34 | brlcad | afts? |
| 18:22.16 | brlcad | been pretty busy all week including today, and probably all weekend too :) |
| 18:22.43 | brlcad | mostly build testing, but it's coming together |
| 18:55.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35960 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add the beginnings of pipe_brep - not even close to working yet. |
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| 19:06.08 | ``Erik | hm |
| 19:29.35 | ``Erik | "east virginia"? |
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| 13:04.22 | ``Erik | heh, electric cars making artificial motion sounds now, amusing |
| 13:45.52 | ``Erik | curses, edits CMakeCache.txt and runs cmake again. |
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| 19:27.43 | Ralith | ``Erik: kinda like CCD cameras? |
| 19:29.05 | ``Erik | heh, I spoze |
| 19:31.08 | Ralith | shouldn't be hard to yank the wires for it. |
| 19:31.24 | ``Erik | depends on how it's all configured |
| 19:35.19 | ``Erik | http://www.boners.com/grub/381564.html O.O |
| 20:13.25 | Ralith | heh |
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| 00:35.27 | Augusto_Ponto | is this software like Solidworks? |
| 00:36.28 | Ralith | depends what you mean by 'like' |
| 00:37.00 | Ralith | it is related, but if you try to use it like you'd use solidworks you'd probably be very frustrated. |
| 00:37.46 | Augusto_Ponto | hm |
| 00:37.48 | Augusto_Ponto | I got it |
| 00:37.56 | Augusto_Ponto | is there any open source software |
| 00:38.00 | Augusto_Ponto | like solid works? |
| 00:38.53 | Ralith | heekscade is probably as close as you're going to get UI-wise |
| 00:38.57 | Ralith | heekscad* |
| 00:39.01 | Augusto_Ponto | hm |
| 00:39.42 | Augusto_Ponto | ty |
| 00:40.02 | Ralith | it really depends what you want to do, and how willing to learn you are |
| 00:40.18 | Ralith | BRL-CAD is very powerful. |
| 00:40.27 | Augusto_Ponto | hm |
| 00:40.42 | Augusto_Ponto | I want to make an project |
| 00:40.55 | Augusto_Ponto | related to people who have special needs |
| 00:41.33 | Ralith | what it's *for* isn't really relevant |
| 00:41.38 | Ralith | what do you want to use BRL-CAD to do? |
| 00:41.43 | Augusto_Ponto | it's an wheelchair |
| 00:41.49 | Augusto_Ponto | I want to model it |
| 00:41.55 | Augusto_Ponto | using an CAD software |
| 00:44.19 | Augusto_Ponto | Ralith |
| 00:44.23 | Augusto_Ponto | is it possible? |
| 01:02.53 | l1d3nbr0ck | Ralith |
| 01:02.53 | l1d3nbr0ck | =p |
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| 12:16.14 | ``Erik | swank |
| 12:16.50 | ``Erik | gonna have a beer to celebrate when it hits 14400? |
| 12:17.27 | Yoshi47 | if i liked beer, |
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| 13:18.02 | JucaBlues | I have been developing a library called LibreDWG which is a free DWG parser |
| 13:18.19 | JucaBlues | I want to see some free CAD tools using my lib |
| 13:18.37 | JucaBlues | are you interested in importing DWG files in brlcad? |
| 13:19.19 | brlcad | it depends, really -- wouldn't mind having a dwg import but it'll be tricky to make it a faithful import given our focus on solid 3d entities |
| 13:20.33 | JucaBlues | could the license of our lib be an issue? |
| 13:20.42 | JucaBlues | it is GPLv3 or later |
| 13:20.49 | brlcad | JucaBlues: plus your license would unfortunately be a non-starter for us -- it'd have to be LGPL/BSD/MIT/etc |
| 13:21.03 | brlcad | yeah, I was just writing that :) |
| 13:21.56 | brlcad | would you be able/willing to relicense it or is it unchangeable? |
| 13:22.00 | JucaBlues | I am tied to it, since the original lib was GPLv3 or later |
| 13:22.10 | JucaBlues | we forked from another project |
| 13:22.36 | JucaBlues | which was an initial code for a dwg parser but awkwaredly written in esperanto |
| 13:22.41 | brlcad | hm, yeah |
| 13:23.27 | JucaBlues | now we are reaching 100% of data structures decoding |
| 13:23.37 | JucaBlues | but we are not dealing much with the semantics yet |
| 13:23.57 | brlcad | that's pretty cool |
| 13:24.06 | brlcad | so is the main reason for the fork because of esperanto? |
| 13:24.10 | JucaBlues | I started to write an example application that converts 2d dwg files into svg |
| 13:24.11 | brlcad | or some team dynamics |
| 13:24.23 | JucaBlues | yes, esperanto was the issue |
| 13:24.37 | brlcad | know if they'd be willing to relicense? |
| 13:24.51 | JucaBlues | I'd have to ask for it. |
| 13:27.05 | JucaBlues | but BSD and GPLv3 can be mixed, right? |
| 13:27.16 | JucaBlues | the results being GPLv3, I guess... |
| 13:27.29 | brlcad | yeah, it's one-way |
| 13:27.37 | brlcad | so still not useful for our use |
| 13:27.45 | JucaBlues | ok |
| 13:28.01 | brlcad | we're presently LGPLv2 as a unified package |
| 13:30.30 | JucaBlues | a gplv3 dwg importer for brlcad maintained as a patch that one would apply on its local copy would be bad ? |
| 13:31.05 | brlcad | no, of course that wouldn't be "bad" .. just not a great long-term direction unfortunately |
| 13:31.18 | brlcad | not something that we could ship unified, it would have to stay separate |
| 13:31.34 | ``Erik | might be easier to have an external project that could link to BRL-CAD's libraries for converting to .g ? |
| 13:31.52 | brlcad | basically what he's suggesting |
| 13:32.52 | JucaBlues | are you aware of any GPLv3 compatible CAD? |
| 13:33.52 | brlcad | JucaBlues: we're the _only_ open source CAD system that's in full production use that I'm aware of |
| 13:34.02 | brlcad | there are a few other smaller projects around though |
| 13:34.14 | ``Erik | qcad community is probably the closest :/ |
| 13:34.45 | brlcad | yeah, though qcad already uses dxf heavily under the hood |
| 13:35.09 | _clock_ | I guess it depends on what is understood under full production use |
| 13:35.30 | _clock_ | I use qcad on Ronja but don't know if it qualifies as full production use, production use or only use? |
| 13:36.29 | brlcad | _clock_: I meant 3d solid modeling CAD, they probably 'qualify' (whatever that means) but as a 2d system |
| 13:37.04 | _clock_ | qcad is definitely 2D |
| 13:37.33 | _clock_ | but they have those little arrows with numbers |
| 13:37.42 | _clock_ | brl-cad didn't have it last time I checked |
| 13:39.02 | brlcad | still don't have annotations, though been talking about adding them very recently (last week) and might start that up some basic support this/next week. |
| 13:39.27 | _clock_ | brlcad: I would find that very cool |
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| 13:48.02 | JucaBlues | but QCad is GPLv2 only |
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| 14:04.07 | brlcad | JucaBlues: yep, there really aren't other options except for a couple projects that are a lot smaller |
| 14:04.19 | brlcad | ask them if they're willing to relicense |
| 14:04.23 | brlcad | worse they can say is no |
| 14:04.28 | JucaBlues | ok |
| 14:04.30 | JucaBlues | thanks |
| 14:04.46 | JucaBlues | relicense into what? |
| 14:05.02 | brlcad | ideally BSD/MIT-style license |
| 14:05.05 | JucaBlues | which are the options for brlcad? |
| 14:05.08 | JucaBlues | ok |
| 14:05.12 | brlcad | as a library that are the most flexible |
| 14:05.27 | JucaBlues | lgpl would be ok? |
| 14:05.43 | brlcad | LGPLv2 would work, LGPLv3 could possibly work down the road, but not guaranteed |
| 14:06.13 | JucaBlues | ok, thanks |
| 14:08.03 | brlcad | apache/eclipse/mozilla licenses are all similar bsd/mit-style licenses |
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| 14:35.33 | ``Erik | (hrm, qt somehow went and got... kinda impressive) |
| 14:37.08 | Axman6 | how so? |
| 14:37.25 | ``Erik | the qt4 demo app has some nifty stuff in it |
| 14:37.46 | ``Erik | back in "the day", qt was pretty ... tame |
| 14:38.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: what that hell I just heard freezing over? |
| 14:39.03 | ``Erik | now if it were wrapped in a decent language... :> |
| 14:39.18 | starseeker | I thought you were a dyed in the wool Qt "non-fan" |
| 14:39.35 | ``Erik | no, it'd just been a while since I'd looked at it |
| 14:39.36 | starseeker | there are Qt-python bindings... |
| 14:40.08 | ``Erik | and last time I looked, qt was drastically inferior on several fronts :) (cocoa is damn sexy, not sure how together gnustep is, though) |
| 14:56.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35965 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sph/sph_brep.cpp: Erm, this should be pulling the magnitude of the vector, not the x coordinate... |
| 14:58.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35966 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ell/ell_brep.cpp: |
| 14:58.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Switch to a 'distort the sphere' method of creating an ellipsoid - seems to |
| 14:58.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: create a clean ellipsoid shape (although as yet unrotated/translated) but |
| 14:58.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: doesn't clear all the raytrace issues - those appear to be something else. |
| 15:50.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35967 10/brlcad/trunk/ (doc/deprecation.txt include/bn.h include/dm_color.h): deprecate the DM_X-specific dm_color.h header. use dm.h instead though making the functions that used to be in dm_color.h now be private given they are specific to just one dm. |
| 15:52.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35968 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/ (color.c dm-X.c): |
| 15:52.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: rename the dm_color functions dm_get_pixel, dm_copy_cmap, and |
| 15:52.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: dm_allocate_color_cube to be specific to the X11 interface. they use X11 |
| 15:52.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: structures and are not generalized for libdm purposes (so we can remove them |
| 15:52.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: immediately). |
| 16:01.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35969 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: |
| 16:01.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Add a counter to the newton iterator - there are some cases where we start out |
| 16:01.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: in a bad direction and then 'straighten out' - rather than quitting the |
| 16:01.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: iteration on the first bad directional move, give it several tries to straighten |
| 16:01.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: out before killing it. |
| 16:04.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r35970 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brep.h: |
| 16:04.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: tighten tolerance back up on near hit/miss, was 0.05mm |
| 16:04.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: now 0.001mm,small models 3mm piston where having problems |
| 16:04.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: need to make relative to trim error or surface/face size |
| 16:14.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35971 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm_obj.c: fugly hacks to make it compile without X11 headers installed. new png (ugh, ximage) and size commands busted things. |
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| 20:34.55 | ``Erik | ahhh |
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| 01:01.22 | yukonbob | brlcad: online? |
| 01:01.29 | brlcad | nope |
| 01:01.33 | yukonbob | damn |
| 01:01.37 | yukonbob | I'll check back later. |
| 01:01.38 | yukonbob | :P |
| 01:01.53 | yukonbob | I've got a question, and I bet you have the answer |
| 01:02.02 | yukonbob | now that I think of it, I've got lots of questions... |
| 01:02.09 | yukonbob | but perhaps 2 you can answer... |
| 01:02.11 | yukonbob | re: dsp |
| 01:03.13 | yukonbob | 1 -- DEM co-ords signify the "space between" grid elems (i.e. the intersection points of a grid, not the squares) -- is this how dsp behaves as well? |
| 01:03.59 | yukonbob | 2 -- can I / how-feasible-is-it to try to skin a DSP accurately (i.e. using a geotiff). Of course, accuracy is key. |
| 01:05.07 | yukonbob | geotiff == tiff image, but with geo-specific meta data -- so one can place them accurately on a map, for example... |
| 01:14.42 | brlcad | 1: yes. 2: not sure what you mean by skin it |
| 01:14.58 | brlcad | never worked with a geotiff |
| 01:17.00 | yukonbob | what I want is to be able to lay the tiff down on the dsp, and if they're representing the same square land-region, have the blue lines of the rivers match up in the gulleys of the dsp, etc, distorting as one would expect mapping a 2D tiff -> 3D dsp, but otherwise "fitting properly". |
| 01:17.20 | ``Erik | so basically just texture it with specified uv coords? |
| 01:17.48 | yukonbob | right. |
| 01:18.34 | yukonbob | are there diff't model for how one can apply a texture map like that, or would it work buy default, or ?? |
| 01:18.57 | yukonbob | i.e. if I have an 8x8 table, and an 8x8 table cloth, I can lay the cloth to cover the table. |
| 01:19.33 | yukonbob | but if I put a candlestick on top of the table (without the cloth), and then try to lay the cloth, it won't cover edge-to-edge... |
| 01:19.44 | yukonbob | how does the mapping work in brlcad? |
| 01:20.28 | yukonbob | is there a way to have a "magic" table cloth that, because it is 8x8, will cover the 8x8 surface... |
| 01:21.32 | yukonbob | , or would one sample the tiff and then use mater to adjust the "grid"s of the dsp? |
| 01:24.04 | brlcad | yukonbob: there is a separation of the geometric shapes and rendering properties such as texturing |
| 01:24.34 | brlcad | the tiff data can be converted to a height field directly |
| 01:24.57 | yukonbob | tell me more |
| 01:25.08 | brlcad | the tiff can also be applied as a texture pretty easily as well with a shader |
| 01:27.24 | yukonbob | researches height fields. Looks like what I need. Thx brlcad, ``Erik |
| 01:27.50 | brlcad | "dsp" is our name for a height field |
| 01:27.51 | brlcad | dsp == "displacement map" |
| 01:27.52 | yukonbob | right -- displacement map. |
| 01:28.17 | yukonbob | and that can have a (say) 800x800 TIFF, and generate an 800x800 heightfield then? |
| 01:28.22 | brlcad | yes |
| 01:28.28 | yukonbob | awesomenessus |
| 01:28.43 | yukonbob | I've only generated grey blobs so far, myself. |
| 01:28.45 | brlcad | though to create a dsp, all it cares about is the raw binary values |
| 01:28.53 | brlcad | so you'll have to convert the tiff |
| 01:29.05 | brlcad | nothing tricky, but a couple of data conversion steps |
| 01:29.22 | brlcad | probably tiff -> png -> bw |
| 01:29.41 | yukonbob | brlcad: don't know if you remember, but playing w/ dsp/DEMs was one of my first exercises; at the time, I tickled a nasty memory leak -- was that ever corrected? |
| 01:29.52 | brlcad | yeah, I remember |
| 01:29.55 | brlcad | it wasn't a leak |
| 01:30.00 | brlcad | it was an inefficiency |
| 01:30.06 | brlcad | using more than expected |
| 01:30.16 | yukonbob | nods. |
| 01:30.24 | brlcad | taking up 160 bytes per cell iirc |
| 01:30.27 | yukonbob | tuned up, or as was? |
| 01:30.54 | brlcad | ~(160 * 800 * 800) / 1024 / 1024 |
| 01:30.55 | ibot | 97.65625 |
| 01:31.14 | brlcad | 97MB shouldn't be a problem :) |
| 01:31.38 | yukonbob | when I threw 800x800 out, that was only for sake of argument ;) |
| 01:31.47 | ``Erik | ~1/0 |
| 01:31.50 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 01:31.53 | yukonbob | hehe. |
| 01:32.12 | yukonbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.13 | ibot | it has been said that 2^2 is a bad question. You want 2**2. |
| 01:32.15 | ``Erik | (it still pings, musta ignored that) |
| 01:32.42 | yukonbob | ~ lart self |
| 01:32.42 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags self into court suing for $200 million |
| 01:33.23 | yukonbob | brlcad: so is still consuming same amt. memory as previous, or was there re-coding in that inefficiency? |
| 01:34.02 | ``Erik | ~1<<5 |
| 01:34.29 | yukonbob | remembers sections of Pugeot Sound were un-renderable for self at the time... |
| 01:34.56 | ``Erik | mebbe it's cuz the puget sound is just too cool for ya |
| 01:34.57 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:35.09 | yukonbob | actually, now that I think of it, brlcad, you had nice huge dsp's that were of larger grid, built from older brl-cad. |
| 01:35.11 | ``Erik | (my old stompin' ground, grew up on whidbey island) |
| 01:35.45 | yukonbob | courtney love tells me Olympia sucks |
| 01:35.59 | ``Erik | yeah, olympia sucks, but courtney sucks more |
| 01:36.02 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:36.25 | ``Erik | (shit, courtney has probably sucked most of olympia *cough*) |
| 01:37.21 | brlcad | yukonbob: i don't think it's changed, but your best bet is to just give it a go and see how it behaves for your data |
| 01:37.45 | brlcad | it's been used several times over since then for various projects with complete success |
| 01:38.35 | yukonbob | brlcad: sounds good. thx. |
| 01:39.36 | ``Erik | if it's a memory related issue, make sure swap is enabled and reasonably large if you use linux. Last I checked, the OOM murder code in linux is... odd. :) |
| 01:39.39 | yukonbob | one more q: re: png -> height field -- will the various heights map to a single index so all "0" heights == a certain shade of blue, all "30" height map to same shade of green? |
| 01:39.57 | ``Erik | ->bw, greyscale image |
| 01:40.13 | yukonbob | ``Erik: good point. I'm personally running BSD, but I'd hate to run in on another machine and have it killed after hours of chugging... |
| 01:40.19 | starseeker | I think he wants to use the image data to "shade" a dsp? |
| 01:41.08 | brlcad | yukonbob: the intensity values of the grayscale image will correspond to height values (you set scaling parameters on creation) |
| 01:41.12 | yukonbob | right -- i.e. Imagine an image with a river, a block that is supposed to be a forrest, a road, etc. |
| 01:41.23 | brlcad | you'll then apply whatever colors as a texture |
| 01:41.32 | ``Erik | then there'll be two image files I think, one for the heightmap in bw greyscale, the other in pix for the texture |
| 01:41.54 | brlcad | the projection shader will make the colors map directly onto the surface giving whatever colors for each cell as you want |
| 01:42.24 | yukonbob | will have to experiment and get experience; it's not making sense to me, but it appears to me (by you guy's comments) it's possible... I just need to play, wrap my head around the process. |
| 01:42.50 | yukonbob | thanks again, gentlemen :) |
| 01:42.57 | ``Erik | good luck O.o |
| 01:43.11 | yukonbob | cheers |
| 01:43.55 | brlcad | yukonbob: a related tutorial is the ebm (extruded bitmap) |
| 01:43.56 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/EBM |
| 01:44.09 | yukonbob | nice. thx :D |
| 01:44.56 | brlcad | you'll want a dsp instead of an ebm, but it covers basic file conversion |
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| 11:18.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1626 10/wiki/EBM: Quick typo fix. |
| 11:19.19 | ``Erik | excessive bowel movement? O.o |
| 11:23.24 | d-lo | Yes, ``Erik, we have a turd primitive in BRL-CAD. |
| 11:24.35 | ``Erik | damn, there goes that brilliant new use for metaballs |
| 11:26.55 | d-lo | 'brilliant' was quite the word I was going to use lol |
| 11:28.15 | d-lo | s/was/wasn't/ |
| 11:44.20 | ``Erik | freudian slip? :D |
| 11:44.45 | d-lo | yeah... that's it! Right! |
| 11:44.47 | d-lo | :P |
| 11:46.34 | ``Erik | blah, 7:45 already |
| 11:46.42 | ``Erik | puts pants on and starts driving |
| 11:47.21 | d-lo | thats a good order to do things :) |
| 12:41.04 | ``Erik | oh, wait, I listed those as an unordered set, there's supposed to be an order? |
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| 13:06.41 | ``Erik | http://www.subblue.com/blog/2009/9/20/quaternion_julia |
| 13:07.28 | starseeker | standard English language convention generally implies temporal coherence in left to right ordering barring specific notation of other organization |
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| 13:48.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35972 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Start to stub out what is needed for testing a sketch brep conversion. |
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| 14:02.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35973 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: Erm, uncomment some of the other stuff besides sketch... |
| 14:32.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35974 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: few tweaks so a normal sketch is also generated for comparison. |
| 14:33.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35975 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Start working through the early phases of the sketch generation logic - will need to have the correct 'environment' set up before it's even worth looking for loops. |
| 14:34.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r35976 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/color.c: dm_copy_cmap has been changed to _X_copy_cmap. |
| 15:25.19 | brlcad | hehe, he's probably gonna regret that |
| 15:25.31 | brlcad | (victor subscribed to commits) |
| 15:32.26 | ``Erik | mwahahahaha </evillaugh> |
| 15:32.36 | ``Erik | or is it (evillaugh "Mwahahhahaha") |
| 15:43.44 | d-lo | So in the next commit message, someone should put "hi victor!" ? |
| 15:46.36 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:46.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35977 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/attach.c: minor cleanup, remove dead code |
| 15:58.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35978 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: more consistency cleanup while reviewing attach. (hi victor!) |
| 15:58.59 | d-lo | ha! |
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| 17:02.18 | ``Erik | now EVERY commit message needs " (hi victor!)" at the end |
| 17:11.46 | starseeker | ``Erik: technically, it's <laugh mode='evil'>Mwahahahahaha</laugh> |
| 17:20.02 | ``Erik | or <laugh><evil>Mwwahhahahaha</evil></laugh> |
| 17:20.59 | starseeker | of course, the truly proper language for an evil laugh has to be Microsoft Visual Basic |
| 17:21.05 | ``Erik | (defclass evil (alignment) ()) (defgeneric laugh ((self evil)) "Mwahahahaha!") |
| 17:21.08 | ``Erik | ((())(()(((()(())(()))) |
| 17:21.12 | starseeker | heh |
| 17:21.13 | ``Erik | (*Y*) |
| 17:21.33 | ``Erik | fires up vim before he hurts himself or someone else |
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| 17:22.02 | ``Erik | (s/generic/method/) |
| 17:47.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35979 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brep.h: Tighten up the edge miss tolerance some more - really need to do something adaptive to model scale here. |
| 17:47.18 | ``Erik | hum http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1132 |
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| 18:48.05 | brlcad | huh, i swear i've read that before |
| 18:48.13 | brlcad | yet says it posted today |
| 18:49.23 | d-lo | copy paste job perhaps? |
| 18:57.10 | brlcad | dunno, don't see other refs to it |
| 18:57.28 | brlcad | maybe just a really similar posting -- those are very common sentiments |
| 18:57.45 | brlcad | *very* common :) |
| 19:15.12 | Ralith | ? |
| 19:16.15 | starseeker | old school guys not caring for newer paradigms that hide many of the details |
| 19:16.38 | starseeker | (and/or don't deliver what they promised to deliver) |
| 19:17.01 | Ralith | ah. |
| 19:17.22 | ``Erik | ì |
| 19:22.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35980 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:22.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: add a '-a' option to mged that allows users to specify a display manager to |
| 19:22.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: attach to. this avoids the attach prompting seen in interactive mode that |
| 19:22.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: should help systems that prompt for an attach device even when non-interactive. |
| 19:22.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: expand the docs with examples including filling in details on the -d display |
| 19:22.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: option as well. note that you cannot (presently) invoke multiple attachments |
| 19:22.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: due to the way display manager creation is presently deferred without a little |
| 19:25.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35981 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Hmm. How about using the plane to convert the 2 space coordinates to 3 space coordinates... |
| 19:32.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35982 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brep.h: this header file is included by rtgeom.h for C compiles as well, so no-go on the //isms |
| 19:33.15 | ``Erik | "I tell you what, if I find out I'm having a baby, I'm coming after you" O.O ya overhear the damndest things around here |
| 19:34.24 | starseeker | is afraid to ask... |
| 19:35.03 | d-lo | lol |
| 19:35.11 | brlcad | starseeker: that option is actually kinda odd .. don't know if someone was planning on adding it at some point, but the docs had -c [nu|ogl|X] documented (which afaik has never been valid) |
| 19:35.26 | starseeker | hmm, that is od |
| 19:35.29 | starseeker | er odd |
| 19:35.55 | brlcad | single char args with an optional param aren't common convention either |
| 19:36.19 | brlcad | makes me think someone was just thinking of adding it |
| 19:37.07 | starseeker | I always did wonder why there wasn't some way to specify that without the extra step... |
| 19:37.23 | brlcad | would be cool to expand the deferred startup to accept multiple attachings, even with different display settings |
| 19:37.49 | brlcad | mged -c -a ogl -d secondhost:0 -a X -d third:1 -a ogl |
| 19:38.10 | brlcad | but would have to make a container that stashes the attach type and current display value |
| 19:38.26 | brlcad | so when they're later undeferred, they all create appropriately |
| 19:40.52 | brlcad | anyone have python on windows with a brl-cad install handy? |
| 19:42.33 | starseeker | brlcad: whoops, sorry about the comment |
| 19:43.14 | starseeker | reminds himself to be nice to the C side of the street |
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| 20:25.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35983 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: OK, first baby step - create straight line edges from the line segments. They line up, so checkpoint. |
| 20:41.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35984 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Add edges from full circles. |
| 20:48.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35985 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: allow a display manager to be attached even if we're running the tk gui -- make sure we attach if the user requested it. |
| 20:49.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35986 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/mged.xml: pedantic blank line was added (so error messages don't overlap the prompt) |
| 21:00.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35987 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Punt on arcs for the moment - logic is surprisingly complex to extract what is needed to get a 3rd point for the opennurbs arc routine. reference where in sketch.c to look for later. |
| 21:01.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35988 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (attach.c cmd.c cmd.h mged.c mged.h): refactor los tres amigos into one function to remove code duplication. propagate a const as consequence. |
| 21:02.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35989 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (cmd.c cmd.h): more const propagation |
| 21:03.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35990 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: if you attach a display manager in tk-mged, kill the window, then quit, mged crashes on exit. pretty likely that mged is trying to destroy the already destroyed window, of course. observed on osx 10.4 |
| 21:08.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35991 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ (dm-X.h dm-ogl.h dm-rtgl.h dm-tk.h dm-wgl.h): dm_color.h is obsolete (albeit marked deprecated), don't include it. |
| 21:15.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35992 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Woot. Get the bezier stuff working - can now draw all the lines of the default sketch object. Now for the hard part - building trims and loops. |
| 21:20.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35993 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: quell all pedantic compilation warnings (sans long-long and format) |
| 21:24.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35994 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: lotta dead code elimination. |
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| 11:51.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jlfranks 07http://brlcad.org * r1627 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Getting started */ |
| 12:02.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jlfranks 07http://brlcad.org * r1628 10/wiki/Forums: Added a list of links to BRL-CAD Forums |
| 12:12.18 | Yoshi47 | 17161:21 mged |
| 12:13.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jlfranks 07http://brlcad.org * r1629 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Getting started */ |
| 12:14.46 | brlcad | Yoshi47: heh, that's pretty insane |
| 12:15.04 | brlcad | so do you let it keep going, or pull a knife? |
| 12:15.13 | Yoshi47 | its a good thing im not running m$ |
| 12:15.18 | Yoshi47 | i don't know |
| 12:15.19 | brlcad | rest assured, it should eventually finish :) |
| 12:15.24 | Yoshi47 | i might have to restart my X |
| 12:15.36 | Yoshi47 | eventually... |
| 12:15.44 | Yoshi47 | i might retire by then or get fired |
| 12:15.45 | brlcad | the time is exponential based on the complexity of the mesh |
| 12:16.12 | Yoshi47 | oh i just seen the cpu dip |
| 12:16.18 | Yoshi47 | onto the next part im guessing |
| 12:16.37 | brlcad | it was just taking a breather |
| 12:16.48 | Yoshi47 | ah, well im compiling too! |
| 12:17.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jlfranks 07http://brlcad.org * r1630 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Getting started */ |
| 12:19.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Jlfranks 07http://brlcad.org * r1631 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* Getting started */ |
| 12:21.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1632 10/wiki/Documentation: added installation instructions, link to INSTALL file |
| 13:09.23 | ``Erik | brlcad: nikki is trying to set up lunch at japan house, ya gonna be in the area? |
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| 13:14.37 | brlcad | ``Erik: okay, yeah |
| 13:42.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35995 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: this is wrong and breaks things for classic mode, but commit it now so I'll have it on the road to work on later today. there's a problem where it prompts for attach too many times (among other outstanding issues). |
| 13:42.45 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r35996 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/color.c: don't include dm_color.h |
| 13:44.42 | Yoshi47 | japan house? |
| 13:51.06 | brlcad | Yoshi47: local sushi place |
| 13:51.28 | Yoshi47 | sushi... ick, who's nikki? |
| 13:51.43 | brlcad | just some crazy girl |
| 13:51.51 | Yoshi47 | brlcad programmer? |
| 13:51.56 | brlcad | heh, no |
| 13:52.13 | Yoshi47 | in your building? |
| 13:52.18 | brlcad | just a mutual friend |
| 13:52.31 | Yoshi47 | ah |
| 13:53.30 | Yoshi47 | you know anyone that can hack in and revert the 1 trillion dollar print? |
| 13:54.16 | Yoshi47 | then hire MIB to brainwash everyone that it didn't happen so the US dollar can go up again |
| 13:54.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r35997 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: wrap declarations in braces to avoid case label cross initialization error |
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| 14:57.22 | brlcad | Yoshi47: I already answered that question to you, hired them, then had them wipe your memory |
| 14:57.40 | Yoshi47 | thought so |
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| 15:12.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35998 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Think about loop building using the ON_Brep edges - simpler than trying to do it with the csg data structures and then attempting translation. |
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| 16:04.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r35999 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: |
| 16:04.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Going to need 2d and 3d curves for all the sketch components - need the surface |
| 16:04.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: extents to get uv coordinates. Start building 3 space bounding box from |
| 16:04.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: components to get information about what extents the surface will need to have. |
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| 16:42.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36000 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Start trying to create appropriate 2d curves for trimming purposes. |
| 16:52.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36001 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: hyp tesselation is producing something that doesn't raytrace |
| 16:54.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36002 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/hyp/hyp.c: Removed a few unused variables. Identified a problem in the tessellation routine (i.e. RoS and invRoS are being used without initialization. |
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| 19:07.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36003 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: OK, starting to build loops, but trims aren't valid. |
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| 19:33.52 | brlcad | interesting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7GErbdNRrE&feature=player_embedded |
| 19:34.23 | brlcad | whole new realm of a CAD model catalog :) |
| 19:44.29 | Yoshi47 | neat |
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| 21:10.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36004 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Still not getting valid loops. Grr. |
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| 21:25.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36005 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: OK, the wrong loop is getting removed. need to sort this out. |
| 21:26.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36006 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/ (read-rtlog.c rtregis.c): refactor, cleanup, indent, sort. |
| 21:28.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36007 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Er, yeah - use m_c2i from the trim. Doesn't fix the problem but does duplicate correctly. |
| 21:40.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36008 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Ah, of course - inserting the outer loop at the beginning of m_li, so bump the count by one to get rid of the correct loop. |
| 21:45.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36009 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/viewpp.c: more format tweakage. |
| 21:51.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36010 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Crud, will have to rethink edge creation. |
| 22:39.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36011 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: OK, progress (sort of) - it wasn't edge creation, but a disconnect between edge and 3d curve selection. Now the complaint is m_T[0] being different from the start of the 3d curve. |
| 22:41.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36012 10/brlcad/trunk/src/fb/fb-png.c: clean up formatting, indent, style. |
| 22:46.21 | louipc | ehh americhip doesn't look as good as I was expecting |
| 22:46.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36013 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-png.c: clean up formatting, indent, style. |
| 23:18.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36014 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/iges/n_iges.cpp: swap it back to manifold solid brep objects instead of rational bspline surfaces while testing import. |
| 23:21.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36015 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/dem-g.c: eliminate the mk_dsp2() stub by just calling mk_dsp() now that it has whatever change necessitated creating the fork. also applied some commment cleanup. |
| 23:36.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36016 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Not correct, but the error distance changed so it's clear that changing the surface domain will have an impact. |
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| 23:41.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36017 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/util/pix-png.1 src/util/pix-png.c): |
| 23:41.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: add a -g gamma correction option to pix-png similar to fb-png so that a user can |
| 23:41.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: override and specify a desired gamma value. change the default behavior from |
| 23:41.05 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: writing out a hard-coded 0.6 gamma value to instead not write out any gAMA chunk |
| 23:41.06 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: information (via a default negative value). this lets it display the same |
| 23:41.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: intensity pixel values on a host system as the originating pix data and avoids |
| 23:41.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the (semi-arbitrary) 0.6 magic value that 'does not quite match..' |
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| 23:46.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36018 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/: ignore the generated rtwizard script |
| 23:49.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36019 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/fb/fb-png.1 src/fb/fb-png.c): |
| 23:49.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: default to no gamma correction, no gAMA chunk, so that the png pixel values |
| 23:49.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: should match what was in the framebuffer. looks like 1.0 is overpowered for |
| 23:49.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: mac, 0.6 is closer but still slightly too bright. turning the chunk off gives |
| 23:49.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: correct pixel values. turns out the -g option was never documented either, so |
| 23:49.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: document it along with the new info. this should reduce surprises due to |
| 23:50.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: unexpected color shifts in output images. |
| 23:52.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36020 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 23:52.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the fb-png gamma correction 'bug' turns out to not be a bug after all, just a |
| 23:52.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bad default gamma value coupled with an undocumented command-line option. |
| 23:52.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: either way, it's changed/fixed now that no gAMA chunk is getting written by |
| 23:52.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: default. |
| 23:57.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36021 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Hmm - back to 22.36 for the offset. Something odd here... |
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| 01:53.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36022 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Take a stab at a cleaner loop generation, but still messed up. To Be Continued. |
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| 13:33.02 | ``Erik | hm |
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| 13:45.07 | brlcad | so .bz (the hardware) is probably going to get moved tomorrow, with an hour or two downtime |
| 13:45.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36023 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/viewpp.c: move "#define pchar" up to before the first use (assuming this was the intent) |
| 13:46.21 | ``Erik | the old .bz? not worth forcing migration just yet? |
| 13:48.20 | ``Erik | "edward scissorhands - the emo wolverine" heh |
| 14:41.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36024 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Fixed a typo. |
| 14:42.15 | brlcad | it's plenty worth it, but they're going to rerack it regardless tomorrow though |
| 14:53.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36025 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Argh. j, not i. |
| 14:55.06 | starseeker | slaps self with a dead trout for such a stupid error |
| 15:15.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36026 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/dem-g.c: quell warnings about using the c99 round() function by just defining a simple closest rounding function. |
| 15:19.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36027 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/ (dem-g.c iges/brlcad_brep.cpp): make it a symmetrical rounding function, always away from zero, even though these should all be positive numbers here. just in case someone tries to copy this.. |
| 15:20.45 | starseeker | hmm, how interesting... edge tolerance errors even with the trimming curve order right... |
| 15:25.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36028 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/tclcad.c: why are those two disabled? need to test. |
| 15:28.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36029 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Well, at least the sketch dump output looks closer... |
| 15:46.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36030 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/news2tracker.sh: stuff the stray date debugging statement into VERBOSE level 1 |
| 16:01.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36031 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Add some testing stuff - arcs are being a problem child, gotta figure out what's going on. |
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| 22:42.52 | ``Erik | blah. |
| 23:23.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36033 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Ah, finally - switch from doing things manually to using the NewPlanarFaceLoop routine, which involves recognizing loops using curves rather than edges. Can now generate a clean brep face from the example sketch. |
| 23:40.54 | brlcad | kudos |
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| 23:58.03 | ``Erik | hm |
| 23:59.58 | ``Erik | has a feeling that this new prioritization system has two critical faults; the time aspect is over-represented in the algorithm and the "time on task" ignores things like "paid" work, interruptions, cost of business, etc (36% is rather... arbitrary, and surely cannot be uniform among all members) |
| 00:00.12 | ``Erik | there, ah went an' dun sed it |
| 00:02.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36034 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Add an extrusion brep routine, now that sketch is working. |
| 00:02.10 | ``Erik | I might resurrent that "simple timer" thingie, and mebbe have it so any programming->else->programming moves 30m from programming to else to compensate for wind/unwind O.o |
| 00:50.18 | brlcad | even with time over-represented (which was rather intentional), that just means all the things that can be done really quickly that we think will have a decent payoff will get done up-front |
| 00:50.30 | ``Erik | aight |
| 00:50.33 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 00:50.54 | ``Erik | I'm just nervous about... expectation management? |
| 00:51.02 | brlcad | part of the point is to minimize how far in advance we're having to estimate time .. even if we get "less than a week" wrong .. it's still probably gonna get done |
| 00:52.09 | ``Erik | "technical debt", too |
| 00:52.32 | ``Erik | <-- just noting his concerns |
| 00:52.38 | brlcad | nods |
| 00:53.17 | ``Erik | I think I've been hooked with 2 things this cycle :/ the surprise bug from russ is... concerning |
| 00:53.33 | brlcad | 36% is completely arbitrary and actually unimportant -- could have picked any random number out of our ass between 1 and 28 |
| 00:53.36 | ``Erik | (why the hell didn't they msg me earlier? are they talking about the scalloping bug I fixed?) |
| 00:54.02 | brlcad | yeah, not enough info there |
| 00:54.05 | brlcad | probably |
| 00:54.16 | brlcad | his info does tend to be a quarter late when it comes to our bugs |
| 00:55.31 | brlcad | the burn rate follows our actual effort, so it will auto-adjust even if our estimates are always wrong |
| 00:56.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36035 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: mention scalloping bug in metaballs. |
| 00:57.07 | brlcad | if 10 units of work take 20 units of time, our estimates are low; if we only complete 5 units of work, our burn rate needs to be lowered |
| 00:57.41 | ``Erik | I wonder if the overhead of a context switch should be called out explicitely |
| 00:57.42 | brlcad | the two then converge over time as estimates are adjusted and the burn rate follows our capacity |
| 01:00.08 | ``Erik | *shrug* we'll give it a whack, as it goes, our different impressions will be expressed until it normalizes, we'll see what happens :) ain't no use spending more than 10 seconds mentioning a concern until we're a few cycles deep, just wanted to throw my view out nice and early |
| 01:01.15 | starseeker | growls - looks like revolve is going to take a slightly different version of the sketch code |
| 01:01.23 | starseeker | figures |
| 01:01.38 | ``Erik | starseeker: relax, step away, work on something like, say, fractal quaternions instead :D |
| 01:03.22 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh |
| 01:03.55 | ``Erik | you disagree? that was an awfully cool article :) |
| 01:06.03 | starseeker | indeed :-) |
| 01:06.21 | starseeker | isn't sure what he would work on on that though |
| 01:18.04 | ``Erik | <-- not sure how it'd related to BRL-CAD, just saw the article on hn, thought it was awesome, had raytracing AND quaternions... AND fractals... AND pretty pictures |
| 01:23.05 | starseeker | might make a very interesting debugging tool... |
| 01:24.23 | ``Erik | debugging, or stress test? |
| 01:26.06 | starseeker | heh - probably both |
| 01:26.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36036 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Not fully worked out yet, but this does do a revolution of sorts. |
| 01:28.28 | starseeker | ok, that'll do for tonight |
| 01:28.55 | starseeker | reflects that revolve isn't fully "done" as a supported primitive anyway... |
| 01:29.20 | starseeker | that leaves pipe, dsp, hyp and part |
| 01:31.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36037 10/isst/trunk/src/load_g.c: gtk.h is no longer required for isst.h |
| 01:31.30 | starseeker | raises his eyebrows |
| 01:31.32 | starseeker | nice |
| 01:31.54 | ``Erik | shut up |
| 01:31.55 | ``Erik | :D |
| 01:32.16 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:33.09 | starseeker | decides he'd better hit the road... |
| 01:34.30 | ``Erik | at vodka thirty? eh? |
| 01:37.11 | starseeker | heh |
| 01:37.55 | starseeker | ok, lock and load (doors and cars that is...) |
| 01:39.28 | ``Erik | hm |
| 01:52.54 | ``Erik | sunny beaches. |
| 01:53.17 | ``Erik | why won't this sneeze happen? |
| 01:59.00 | ``Erik | so, uh, yeah |
| 01:59.08 | ``Erik | ur mom, r0x ur s0x 0ff |
| 02:00.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36038 10/isst/trunk/src/ (Makefile.am load_g.c): this is now a lib func |
| 02:01.26 | ``Erik | stupid effin' rejection. :/ |
| 02:01.55 | ``Erik | yet more ways svn sucks. |
| 02:03.10 | ``Erik | blank, ready prompt... that is NOT the right way to signal error! |
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| 10:31.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36039 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/qray.c: another instance where not being initialized is apparently okay. seems like wrapper material. |
| 10:47.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36040 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: the new mged -a attach option at least provides a work-around to the python script prompting on windows. remove until we know more |
| 10:52.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36041 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (11 files in 3 dirs): migrate isst load_g in, and pull in tie.h as needed. |
| 10:53.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36042 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS TODO): technically, nmg raytracing so slowly was confirmed to not be a bug, just a really inefficient implementation. remove from bugs and make it a todo item to fix it. |
| 10:56.33 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36043 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: bob fixed the problem with contextualized objects not working right with various mged commands and rt. |
| 11:05.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36044 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: malloc and friends no longer take an unsigned int, now taking a size_t. soon most of the rest of librt will be following suit. |
| 11:16.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36045 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (6 files in 2 dirs): shift file loading into the library |
| 11:25.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36046 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 11:25.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: whoosh. massive update to remove items that are either now complete or no |
| 11:25.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: longer relevant. in brief, includes pnts input, nurb bb, humans, adrt |
| 11:25.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: shotlines, primitive-to-breps, news2tracker, obj-g, de-mysql, isst callbacks, |
| 11:25.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bot scripts, geometry syndicator, rtgl, and coils. |
| 11:31.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36047 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: promote/demote next iteration items. some missing, but accounting for mine (refactoring librt, warnings, nmg->brep, and annotations) |
| 11:32.52 | ``Erik | ponders renaming src/adrt to src/libadrt, librender.so to libadrt.so, and moving adrt_master and adrt_slave into src/remrt |
| 11:51.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36048 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 11:51.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: add a slew of missing todo items, pulled from recent discussions and tracker |
| 11:51.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: items. included is 64-bit port to windows, finishing obj-g, gui for repairing |
| 11:51.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bot normals, machine independent dbupgrade, converting manpages to docbook, |
| 11:51.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: searchable help gui in mged, support to mv for rename mapping files, options to |
| 11:51.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bot_dump for normals, push/xpush stopping at the region level, consolidating |
| 11:51.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: them, working on rtarea, and sca with three args. |
| 11:51.53 | brlcad | and with that, I think the docs are up-to-date again |
| 11:53.51 | brlcad | don't like the mixing with remrt part .. that's a specific tool with a legacy of its own |
| 11:54.16 | ``Erik | my intent is to smear adrt into the fabric of BRL-CAD |
| 11:54.26 | brlcad | src/libadrt and src/adrt wouldn't be too bad, but .. seems to be little gain |
| 11:55.06 | ``Erik | there is no technical gain, it's a matter of realigning language so there can be more integration down the road |
| 11:55.31 | ``Erik | I want it to become a part of BRL-CAD instead of a project that just happens to live in BRL-CAD |
| 11:55.56 | brlcad | making it work with unconverted .g files does that |
| 11:56.36 | brlcad | still doesn't mean you have to kick remrt in the nads to make that happen too |
| 11:56.40 | ``Erik | I'd disagree, it still feels like a second class citizen in the tree to me |
| 11:57.01 | ``Erik | remrt needs kicked in the nads anyways, but for other reasons O:-) I'll not touch that dir |
| 11:57.25 | ``Erik | find some pants and heads to work, maybe in that order O.o |
| 11:57.45 | brlcad | disagree? it still doesn't work with *unconverted* .g files afair, no? |
| 11:58.02 | brlcad | only botsies |
| 11:59.21 | brlcad | breaking out a libadrt that librt uses for bot ray-tracing would be another useful integration path (i.e., with technical gain) |
| 11:59.54 | brlcad | then adrt dir could just become an isst dir or an adrt dir with isst and rise tools but no libs |
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| 12:49.50 | ``Erik | it works fine with unconverted files, it does the nmg tesselate on teh fly |
| 12:49.58 | ``Erik | that's why it takes 4 hours to load up a BIG file |
| 12:50.09 | ``Erik | that model I demo'd wasn't 100% bot |
| 12:51.10 | ``Erik | my usual test case is the ktank straight from the repo, no preprocessing :D |
| 12:52.59 | ``Erik | and libtie would be the minimal set to replace bot shootray |
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| 14:19.38 | brlcad | heh, that's not working with "unconverted" exactly .. just because it converts them on the "fly" (for extended definitions of flying) |
| 14:20.39 | brlcad | having it work as-is (sure, reduced speeds for non-tessellated) with just an option to tessellate or not |
| 14:21.23 | brlcad | making librt api additions to support the way it bundles shots, hook in libtie/libadrt into librt for bots, then hooking in librt to isst |
| 14:21.34 | brlcad | THAT would be sweet integration blissness |
| 14:35.46 | ``Erik | yes, replacing bot stuff with tie stuff is a long term goal :) the "smearing it in to the fabric" is a step in that direction |
| 14:36.00 | ``Erik | when I'm ready for that leap, I'll probably branch |
| 14:36.15 | ``Erik | as it changes big things in the critical path for other projects |
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| 15:39.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36049 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: Add in test pipe example. |
| 16:52.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36051 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/attach.c: allow 'attach nu' to work, just does nothing. |
| 17:06.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36052 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/sketch/sketch_brep.cpp: Remove the sketch debugging printout. |
| 17:06.58 | brlcad | and so it begins. |
| 17:12.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36053 10/brlcad/branches/rel8/: (log message trimmed) |
| 17:12.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: And so begins preparations for the mighty "Release 8"... |
| 17:12.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: As implied, this version will represent a major incompatibility (i.e., v6 |
| 17:12.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: database format), signficant features, and/or other big changes. Already |
| 17:12.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: expected are changes to the database format to repair mistakes and expand |
| 17:12.38 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: support for more advanced persistence. Also included and probably first to get |
| 17:12.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: applied are a slew of signature changes to several of the core libraries (e.g., |
| 17:12.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36050 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: fix the new display manager attaching so it's only called once and actually works. simplify a bit. |
| 17:52.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36054 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe_brep.cpp: OK, let's take this a step at a time. This appears to generate valid endcap curves. |
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| 18:32.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36055 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe_brep.cpp: Well, at least it generates a ruled surface now... |
| 18:36.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36056 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe_brep.cpp: Remove the saved_pt testing hack - generating weird stuff, but it's generating SOMETHING now so enable it. |
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| 19:26.49 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36057 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe_brep.cpp: Well, closer, but one of the ruled surfaces is twisted. arrrgh. |
| 20:26.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36058 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe_brep.cpp: Better - can handle a simple linear pipe. |
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| 20:33.54 | starseeker | you know, the general case of pipe will actually require the full surface eval routines - pipe can self-intersect |
| 20:34.25 | starseeker | declares victory sufficient for the time being and moves on to dsp |
| 20:59.21 | starseeker | goggles at dsp, decides that's too complex to start on a Friday afternoon, and hits hyp instead |
| 21:33.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36059 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Untested and doesn't scale the main surface to be elliptical, but commit basic hyp code. |
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| 21:45.17 | ``Erik | heh |
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| 23:31.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36060 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (Makefile.am master/main.c master/master.c slave/slave.c): eliminate the "main" files |
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| 21:53.41 | akin | is brlcad the right tool if you want to model buildings? |
| 21:57.48 | akin | probably not |
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| 22:03.58 | yukonbob | probably not right tool for _you_ to model buildings, if you don't even have patience to wait a couple minutes for an answer. |
| 22:04.11 | yukonbob | waves in |
| 22:09.00 | brlcad | heh, true dat |
| 22:13.39 | yukonbob | hi5s brlcad for a wicked, wicked tool for those with a small amount of patience. Reward will be repaid 100 -fold |
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| 23:12.31 | ``Erik | heh, "emergencyPants v1.1.0a [Giblets with Fiber (and omg ponies!)]" |
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| 01:42.34 | Ralith | ``Erik: you read sluggy freelance? :D |
| 01:43.10 | ``Erik | of course |
| 01:43.57 | ``Erik | usually via a php script to aggregate, but I was busy yesterday, so'z I had to go to the official site to catch up, noticed the text down at the bottom :) |
| 01:45.16 | Ralith | has never bothered to set up aggregation for all his stuff |
| 01:45.20 | Ralith | would probably save me some time |
| 01:50.14 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/comics/comic.php?nsfw=2 |
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| 10:36.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36062 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (master/master.c slave/slave.c): Added signal header to adrt slave/master. |
| 10:57.31 | d-lo | mernin all. |
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| 11:43.56 | Yoshi47 | morning |
| 11:53.07 | ``Erik | yargh |
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| 14:21.46 | Yoshi47 | 24451:55 mged |
| 14:22.46 | _clock_ | sounds like a Bible quotation |
| 14:23.21 | Yoshi47 | _clock_, me? |
| 14:23.46 | _clock_ | 24451:55 mged |
| 14:23.54 | Yoshi47 | really, hows that? |
| 14:24.05 | _clock_ | page 24451 verse 55? |
| 14:24.26 | Yoshi47 | maybe but none of my bibles go up to page 24451 |
| 14:52.51 | louipc | yeah what does "24451:55" represent? |
| 14:55.21 | ``Erik | cpu time |
| 14:56.01 | ``Erik | in minutes, I believe |
| 14:56.23 | ``Erik | so about 17 days running facetize |
| 14:58.08 | louipc | how bout the 55? |
| 14:58.43 | ``Erik | seconds |
| 14:59.18 | ``Erik | write a little spinlock program, run it and watch it with top or ps :) |
| 14:59.19 | louipc | hahh alright |
| 14:59.46 | ``Erik | the bsd's break it into a more human readable form, hh:mm:ss or dd days |
| 14:59.57 | ``Erik | at least modern ones, doo |
| 15:00.17 | _clock_ | advanced computer technology of 21st century |
| 15:00.30 | ``Erik | old ones stick at hh(hhh...):mm:ss |
| 15:00.36 | ``Erik | root 11 0.0 0.0 0 12 ?? RL 27Apr09 52607:50.47 (idle: cpu0) |
| 15:00.44 | ``Erik | er, |
| 15:00.48 | ``Erik | mm.ss I guess |
| 15:01.07 | ``Erik | (everyone has their own damn representation, sucks) |
| 15:01.26 | ``Erik | or, no, sorry, that's gotta be mm:ss.subsec |
| 15:10.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36063 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (librt/primitives/hyp/hyp_brep.cpp proc-db/csgbrep.cpp): Ah, there we go - situated at the origin for now, but generating an elliptical hyp. |
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| 18:34.21 | ``Erik | I do believe that my new distance measurement of choice is now the attoparsec. |
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| 19:29.36 | Yoshi47 | mine is hand breadth |
| 19:39.02 | ``Erik | um |
| 19:39.12 | ``Erik | jabs brlcad with something sharp a lot until he answers |
| 19:39.30 | ``Erik | BRLCAD! |
| 19:39.33 | ``Erik | *jab* |
| 19:39.38 | ``Erik | motherckufer |
| 19:40.11 | ``Erik | *jab jab jab* |
| 19:40.54 | ``Erik | that fucking cocksucker, not being available whenever I snap my fingers, what the fuck is up with that? it's like he has a life or something |
| 19:41.12 | d-lo | oh my. Fail another anger management class? ;) |
| 19:41.38 | ``Erik | fucker, I'll fucking stab you |
| 19:41.41 | ``Erik | I mean, uh, hi |
| 19:41.43 | ``Erik | is the boy around |
| 19:41.44 | ``Erik | ? |
| 19:42.07 | ``Erik | I need expert opinion on bicycle shopping in the very near future |
| 19:42.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36064 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/nsis/brlcad.nsi: Added an INSTALLERSUFFIX variable to accomodate installs for 32 and 64 bit. |
| 19:42.29 | d-lo | brlcad sightings today: 0 |
| 19:42.30 | ``Erik | I think brlcad has half a clue |
| 19:42.35 | ``Erik | oh that fucker |
| 19:42.57 | ``Erik | ok, I'm gonna have to use the phone to interrupt his prostitute session. |
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| 19:58.25 | louipc | the what? |
| 20:05.47 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, try lower case brlcad! |
| 20:05.54 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 20:47.44 | brlcad | was busy werkin isolated, tryin' to get portant stuff done. sup |
| 20:47.58 | ``Erik | so the more important stuff required a telephone call O:-) |
| 21:03.55 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:04.12 | brlcad | no, I just wasn't paying attention in here and *happened* to have my phone in my hand that second |
| 21:04.30 | brlcad | otherwise phone rarely ever catches me.. :) |
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| 21:38.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36065 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/3dm/3dm-g.cpp: |
| 21:38.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Add a -u option to the 3dm-g converter - if -u is supplied, the UUID |
| 21:38.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: (openNURBS's unique identifier) will be used to name objects rather than the |
| 21:38.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: name. Since BRL-CAD requires a unique name on a per object basis, this offers a |
| 21:38.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 'last resort' to get fully legal (if rather useless) names. |
| 21:39.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36066 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Add -u option to 3dm-g converter for UUID based object names. |
| 21:42.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36067 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/tclsh/library/installTree.tcl: Change Utilites dirname to Utility to match what's on Unix. |
| 21:43.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36068 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/libbu/libbu.vcproj: Remove some cruft. |
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| 00:12.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36069 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/sphgroup.c: Add code to check for center of bbox within radius. Still waiting on a proper select command to do this correctly. |
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| 00:26.09 | starseeker | adds another entry to his endless "I'd like to do this" list: http://www.diybookscanner.org/ |
| 00:26.41 | louipc | I saw one made out of legos somewhere |
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| 01:34.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36070 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Not even remotely close to done or correct, but start stubbing in the necessary testing logic for the dsp_brep routine. |
| 01:35.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36071 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: nuts, forgot CMakeLists.txt |
| 01:59.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36072 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: argc/argv are no longer offset. they're just the remaining args of filename+command. unbreak mged argument parsing. |
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| 08:52.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36073 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): final release resting, bumping revision numbers to 7.16.0 |
| 08:54.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36074 10/brlcad/trunk/ChangeLog: update changelog with changes since 2009-05-11 for release 7.16 |
| 08:58.26 | brlcad | now to merge to stable |
| 11:11.04 | Yoshi47 | starseeker, have to played around with tesseract? |
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| 13:06.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36075 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/repository.sh: avoid a false positive on the rtgl cppflags |
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| 14:01.40 | kanzure | Yoshi47: if you pm the 'bkero' person he will love to rant about his recent experiences with tesseract |
| 14:02.41 | starseeker | has actually tried it - it worked on on an easy case and failed miserably on a harder case - after going through a fair song and dance to prepare things for it |
| 14:10.12 | starseeker | promising, but needs a LOT of work |
| 14:56.29 | Yoshi47 | at easy time with it |
| 14:56.46 | Yoshi47 | at least for my applicatiomn |
| 14:57.33 | Yoshi47 | took pics with my dslr and then batch convert to tiff, then grayscaled then ran bash script for each tiff in the dir. then cat all .txt into on big one! |
| 14:57.57 | Yoshi47 | next time i think i'll use the tiff scanner at work with the doc feeder |
| 14:59.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36076 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/revolve/revolve_brep.cpp: Fix revolve handling of loop curves. |
| 15:23.15 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36077 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (847 files in 187 dirs): merge trunk to STABLE from r34507 through HEAD r36075 for release 7.16.0 |
| 15:29.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36078 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/revolve/revolve_brep.cpp: Oops, flip it when it IS the outer loop. |
| 15:34.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36079 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/eto/eto_brep.cpp: Oh yeah, while I'm thinking of it - flip the eto surface to be right side out. |
| 15:53.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36080 10/brlcad/tags/rel-7-16-0/: |
| 15:53.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Tagging release 7.16.0 |
| 15:53.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Build testing still ongoing, but so far no (new) major issues encountered. |
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| 16:13.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36081 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ged.c: Need to use an "unsigned long long" when bringing an address in from a string. |
| 16:19.46 | brlcad | that's not a portable change |
| 16:21.06 | brlcad | though the bigger problem there is the fucking address getting serialized to a string then deserialized back to a pointer |
| 16:23.04 | mafm | string = '\0' :P |
| 16:25.14 | brlcad | it's never user-exposed, but still |
| 16:25.53 | brlcad | just a hacked up way to pass a pointer through the tcl barrier |
| 16:27.08 | starseeker | brlcad: bob says it's more portable than what was there |
| 16:27.10 | ``Erik | ged_open("", 13245.g |
| 16:27.17 | ``Erik | ged_open("", "13245.g"); rather |
| 16:28.14 | brlcad | yeah, except it's: crash on 64-bit vs won't even compile |
| 16:28.45 | brlcad | should remove the serialization |
| 16:29.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36082 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): testing going well, bump it up to 7.16.1 post-tagging |
| 16:31.35 | brlcad | so final build of the tagged version to make sure it compiles -- feel free to check it out on windows/linux/bsd (and post binaries) |
| 16:33.04 | brlcad | reduced the ttl for brlcad.org to just 20 minutes so once the server goes down tonight, the new IP should take effect very quickly |
| 16:33.21 | ``Erik | is this ->crit or ? |
| 16:35.23 | brlcad | what I mentioned earlier, they're moving the box |
| 16:35.34 | brlcad | would ->crit but the services still need to be hooked up and tested |
| 16:35.49 | ``Erik | ah, missed the earlier mention |
| 16:35.52 | brlcad | this is a forced move to a new rack |
| 16:36.05 | ``Erik | ah well :) |
| 16:36.11 | brlcad | which is resulting in new IPs too, *sigh* |
| 16:36.11 | ``Erik | (new IP, though?) |
| 16:36.19 | ``Erik | odd |
| 16:36.33 | ``Erik | hm, that means updating firewalls here and there :/ |
| 16:36.34 | brlcad | think they allocate IPs per rack |
| 16:37.06 | brlcad | or at least, this new rack is to a different switch entirely |
| 17:01.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36083 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: OK, narrow csgbrep down to dsp for now, also tweak rhc params. |
| 17:06.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36084 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_ogl.c: Need to use an "unsigned long long" when bringing an address in from a string. |
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| 19:18.21 | ``Erik | damnit, ralith, you following me AGAIN? O.o |
| 20:14.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36085 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/tube.c: you can't fake initialize the rt_uniresource. crashy crashy. |
| 20:32.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36086 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe_brep.cpp: Thanks to Keith for the idea - investigate possibilities of sumsurfaces for pipe. |
| 21:17.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36087 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.c: M_SQRT1_2 is in vmath.h |
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| 22:03.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36088 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe_brep.cpp: Still likely very fragile, but can do curved pipe. |
| 22:23.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36089 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/pipe/pipe_brep.cpp: Straighten out the normals - first correct pipe csg->nurbs raytrace |
| 22:23.36 | ``Erik | heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY2dBfYqyaY |
| 22:59.37 | brlcad | hm, not that good |
| 23:47.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36090 10/brlcad/trunk/include/vmath.h: reverse confusing test order |
| 00:16.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36091 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/g_bot_include.c: |
| 00:16.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: expand the zero-thickness loop and make it use the application-specified |
| 00:16.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: distance tolerance instead of hard-coded magic values. this should tighten the |
| 00:16.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: bounding box while still keeping the bot visible for space partitioning. |
| 00:23.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36092 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/g_bot_include.c: style ws indent comment consistency cleanup |
| 00:24.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36093 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/g_bot_include.c: accidental double-line |
| 00:25.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36094 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.c: apply the same non-zero thickness test that BoT uses so that we don't miss planar spline surfaces during space partition traversal. |
| 00:33.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36095 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.c: no need to have the zero-length test inside the surface loop. just do a sanity test after visiting all surfaces. |
| 00:33.30 | brlcad | starseeker: on that note .. any specific reason brep bounding boxes are expanded 1mm instead of tol->dist in brep_prep()? |
| 00:33.33 | brlcad | fg |
| 00:35.53 | starseeker | brlcad: not sure offhand |
| 00:49.53 | brlcad | remember that .bz is possibly going down in as early as 10 minutes from now (or any time now really) |
| 00:50.21 | brlcad | so you might want to have a local irc client handy since screens will all get shut down |
| 00:51.40 | starseeker | doesn't have home internet yet anyhow |
| 00:52.50 | starseeker | is not at all sure if the amount of data in a dsp makes sense to represent as a NURBS surface |
| 00:54.10 | brlcad | if you want to visualize it via opengl, it does |
| 00:54.26 | brlcad | remember that's one piece of what those routines are for |
| 00:55.11 | starseeker | might be better to just tesselate it and use the bots |
| 00:55.41 | starseeker | I'm not even sure we can hand a surface like this |
| 00:58.36 | starseeker | er handle even |
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| 01:01.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36096 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: tighten up the bounding box check considerably from 1mm to the distance tolerance. history indicates this was arbitrarily 0.02mm then 1.0mm during testing. this is actually still not quite as tight as the other prims. |
| 01:01.37 | brlcad | will see if that busts things soon enough.. |
| 01:01.48 | brlcad | shouldn't though, unless there are other bad assumptions at play |
| 01:01.48 | starseeker | brlcad: It may have been expanded for a reason... |
| 01:02.42 | starseeker | brlcad: was it causing problems with the old NURBS -> new NURBS conversion? |
| 01:02.42 | brlcad | speculation, wasn't documented in comments or commit -- hinted at it just being part of testing bb in commit message |
| 01:03.14 | starseeker | nods - yeah, a lot of that stuff was and still is a tad fuzzy |
| 01:03.16 | brlcad | either way, should find out rather trivially and can document it if it needs to be something else |
| 01:03.53 | brlcad | should at least be a comment if there's going to be a magic number that isn't using the tolerance system, otherwise it's just asking for obscure cascading bugs down the road |
| 01:04.04 | starseeker | Keith and I both intend to go back over the whole kit and kaboddle thoroughly once the sprint is done |
| 01:04.56 | starseeker | suggests brlcad not look too hard if magic numbers bother him - there are a fair few that will need to be delt with |
| 01:05.07 | brlcad | oh, I know |
| 01:05.33 | starseeker | bty, congrats on the release tagging! |
| 01:05.38 | starseeker | well done |
| 01:05.44 | brlcad | that one was just blatent and screws with the space partitioning |
| 01:06.02 | brlcad | st_min/max aren't used during shot(), they're used higher up during SP traversal |
| 01:06.24 | brlcad | if it's not right, then GetBBox() is wrong |
| 01:07.27 | brlcad | we can't get that far off schedule between releases -- makes for way too much work |
| 01:08.56 | brlcad | and it really shouldn't be a one-man job every month, doesn't serve the project regardless of ongoing activity as issues back up and bugs get more costly and release even more intense |
| 01:09.43 | starseeker | apologizes |
| 01:10.38 | brlcad | not harping on anyone in particular -- should be everyone pressing for it and helping push it each end of month |
| 01:11.57 | brlcad | sad to say it, but feeling is our quality is "down" due to bugs introduced that simply aren't on anyone's radar .. feels like a class ".0" release unfortunately |
| 01:12.30 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:12.41 | brlcad | *classic |
| 01:13.22 | starseeker | will try not to move again for a few months ;-) |
| 01:15.48 | brlcad | there are several active folks that could have helped things along.. :) |
| 01:16.05 | brlcad | most distressing is *FOUR* releases were missed :/ |
| 01:16.19 | starseeker | ow |
| 01:16.36 | brlcad | we had four in row right on time |
| 01:16.51 | brlcad | then four missed, now (hopefully) back on schedule |
| 01:18.32 | starseeker | Did we introduce the stability issues, or is that the OSX 10.5 stuff? |
| 01:18.45 | brlcad | read my clock wrong, still 1.5 hours till 11pm |
| 01:18.56 | brlcad | it's not just osx |
| 01:20.03 | brlcad | it's several things in general -- tcl changes, rt changes, mged command changes .. just bug creep |
| 01:20.03 | brlcad | regression tests being ignored |
| 01:20.03 | brlcad | several are failing |
| 01:21.31 | starseeker | winces |
| 01:21.39 | brlcad | happens naturally, just has to be kept in check -- can't just keep heaping in new code and code changes for months on end without keeping things clean along the way |
| 01:23.04 | brlcad | almost let a bug slip in with my mged argv parsing change from the weekend that I just caught on monday |
| 01:23.20 | brlcad | that would have been bad :) |
| 01:24.00 | starseeker | heh |
| 01:24.05 | starseeker | just a bit |
| 01:28.27 | brlcad | if I had my druthers and unlimited time/budget, I'd halt all new work so we can focus on just bugs for at least three months solid to fix and refactor anything and everything we know of and can easily expose through automation, across the entire codebase |
| 01:28.55 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:29.20 | starseeker | too bad about the time/budget bit :-( |
| 01:30.17 | brlcad | the payoff from that would escalate our usability and code maintainability faster than anything else by removing *all* potential crashes, failed input processing, 32/64-bit conversions, bad assumptions, bad docs, etc |
| 01:30.30 | starseeker | yep |
| 01:30.45 | starseeker | agrees, just not sure how to /who to make the case to |
| 01:31.14 | brlcad | couldn't be made for that length of time unless we make it some massive community effort |
| 01:31.40 | brlcad | and then you have to attract bug fixers and get them up to speed |
| 01:31.59 | brlcad | we had a gsocer like that for bz this year .. was fantastic .. fixed dozens of really hard bugs |
| 01:34.48 | starseeker | sweeet |
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| 01:52.29 | yukonbob | reads scrollback with interest... |
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| 02:00.43 | brlcad | thinks he may need to add a plate mode to breps |
| 02:09.23 | brlcad | starseeker: you ever looked into stay's trimming code? |
| 02:09.48 | brlcad | thinking to kill it if you have, if there's no value to be derived any more |
| 02:11.37 | starseeker | can't say I have, really - I didn't know there was working trimming code |
| 02:11.49 | brlcad | never implied it was working or not |
| 02:12.03 | brlcad | code is code |
| 02:12.22 | starseeker | I'd go ahead - it's in the revision history if we need it, and on the whole our trimming seems to be in decent shape now |
| 02:13.23 | brlcad | nobody will need to look at it as a matter of need, it wasn't used |
| 02:13.43 | brlcad | it would be to see if there's some aspect to what he's doing that is actually useful that could improve what we're doing |
| 02:14.19 | starseeker | I suppose I could take a look, but it might not be for a while |
| 02:14.29 | brlcad | not very complex code, might be worth all of five min to review it |
| 02:14.59 | starseeker | what file is it in? |
| 02:15.02 | brlcad | looks like that was the only code to actually start to use nurbs nmg structure |
| 02:15.22 | brlcad | src/librt/primitives/bspline/nurb_trim.c |
| 02:15.38 | starseeker | looks |
| 02:18.18 | starseeker | hmm, he's breaking up the curves into bezier sub-curves |
| 02:18.20 | starseeker | I think |
| 02:18.33 | starseeker | quadrant based reasoning... |
| 02:18.53 | brlcad | wouldn't be surprising, that was the approach for surface decomposition, turning nurbs into bspline patches |
| 02:19.37 | brlcad | hm.. more coffee or quick nap |
| 02:19.50 | brlcad | gets coffee |
| 02:20.25 | starseeker | yeah, that's not what we're doing now (at least practically) so I don't think we need it - I don't think we have a working openNURBS routine for the bspline patch thing, and we aren't doing that anyhow |
| 02:23.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36097 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp_brep.cpp: Ugly, ugly, ugly. Wireframe looks halfway reasonable but hardly raytraces at all. Performance is horrible. |
| 02:28.13 | starseeker | grinds teeth |
| 02:29.06 | starseeker | now what.. do per-cell surfaces? ugh. what's a reasonable breakdown I wonder... |
| 02:29.54 | starseeker | this thing might be the super-density control point case that we need to add to the surface tree build logic checking... even then though I doubt it would help much |
| 02:45.41 | starseeker | exit |
| 02:45.45 | starseeker | whoops |
| 02:48.08 | yukonbob | fail |
| 02:58.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36098 10/brlcad/trunk/include/nurb.h: make the header safe to include with c++ files as-is with a little wrapping love. |
| 02:58.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36099 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): initial stub in for old nurbs to new nurbs conversion. right now it just stubs a bounding sphere in place while some more thought is put into how to support the old structureless nurbs as freestanding surfaces. |
| 03:16.10 | poolio | starseeker: how goes brep? :) |
| 03:19.25 | learner | he has most of the primitives working now |
| 03:19.38 | learner | pretty cool |
| 03:21.01 | poolio | awesome! |
| 03:21.43 | learner | just a couple of the more complex ones remaining (like dsp (terrain), sketches, revolve, pipes, etc) |
| 03:31.38 | poolio | ruh roh, looks like bzflag is about to go down. see y'all on the other side |
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| 03:46.46 | learner | poolio: yeah, supposedly any minute (for the past 45) |
| 03:48.10 | learner | yeah, I just saw the console messages .. here it goes |
| 03:56.59 | learner | dns is updated, just waiting for the physical swap now |
| 04:00.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36100 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: brep_build_bvh doesn't use the rt_brep_internal |
| 04:20.01 | learner | cmon sago |
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| 04:22.35 | brlcad | woot |
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| 06:24.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36101 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): rename bspline.c to bspline.cpp in preparation for new nurbs integration/conversion. |
| 06:26.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36102 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: initial conversion for ray-tracing purposes, add a compile-time switch to convert prep() to use brep prep() with stashage into the nurb_internal. |
| 06:27.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36103 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: reflect filename change |
| 06:28.44 | brlcad | not too shabby for one day. tagged release, orchestrated server migration, fixed nurbs bb partitioning, and stubbed out prep. |
| 06:29.11 | brlcad | goes to get cookies |
| 06:32.32 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36104 10/brlcad/trunk/include/rtgeom.h: consider stashing the ON_Brep in here, not ideal though |
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| 08:28.52 | KingofCSU | Hello there I can not make a cone anyone can tell me how to make a cone I mean not the trc the cone with top R is 0 |
| 08:33.06 | KingofCSU | Hello How to make a cone by BRL-CAD? I had tried the solid trc , but i can not make the radius of top to 0, the Error is "all dimensions must be greater than zero! then how can I make a cone ? |
| 08:33.44 | _clock_ | KingofCSU: make some small number as the top radius |
| 08:33.59 | _clock_ | like 0.0000000000000000000000001 |
| 08:34.16 | KingofCSU | It is the only way? |
| 08:34.22 | _clock_ | as far as I know yes |
| 08:34.59 | KingofCSU | thank you, I will try it . |
| 08:35.01 | _clock_ | KingofCSU: put the smallest number representable in floating point there. I wonder if the engine is going to collapse from that :) |
| 08:35.44 | KingofCSU | I think 0.1 is ok |
| 08:35.51 | _clock_ | KingofCSU: or, by binary search, find the smallest number the program accepts without producing the "all dimensions must be greater than zero!" message :) |
| 08:36.32 | KingofCSU | 0.1 is enough to do such a cone |
| 08:36.33 | _clock_ | wht are you modelling? |
| 08:36.58 | KingofCSU | something simple I borrowed a book of CAD. and try to make the samples . |
| 08:38.03 | KingofCSU | the book is about auto CAD . I try to make the examples by BRL-CAD. |
| 08:38.46 | KingofCSU | Do you have any other idea to practice the BRL-CAD? |
| 08:38.48 | _clock_ | oh autocad was initial release 1982 |
| 08:38.54 | _clock_ | and BRL-CAD 1984 according to Wikipedia |
| 08:39.05 | _clock_ | What a shame for BRL-CAD! |
| 08:39.10 | _clock_ | And I thought it was 1979 |
| 08:39.57 | _clock_ | aha! But Autocad was initially 2D only! |
| 08:39.58 | KingofCSU | Whatever. How do you improve your kill of BRL-CAD? |
| 08:40.24 | KingofCSU | I dont think so . autocad can do 3D too |
| 08:40.26 | _clock_ | KingofCSU: I want to model something and then struggle to model it |
| 08:40.40 | _clock_ | through all the badly documented functions :) |
| 08:41.52 | KingofCSU | it is hard to put the things the the right place in BRL-CAD. it can not catch some point like middle or end |
| 08:42.15 | _clock_ | Yes I find this useless unless for technological design |
| 08:42.28 | _clock_ | I always type the coordinates in numerically in the matrix editor |
| 08:42.54 | KingofCSU | you have to calculate the point |
| 08:43.15 | _clock_ | I don't have to calculate any point |
| 08:43.16 | _clock_ | Mostly |
| 08:43.21 | KingofCSU | still now I can not understand the matrix editor |
| 08:43.39 | _clock_ | If I need some complex shape I design it in QCAD let it print the coordinates and then type them in |
| 08:44.04 | _clock_ | KingofCSU: I don't even remember the command to invoke it anymore :) |
| 08:44.25 | KingofCSU | Oh that is a good idea , to do something in QCAD then .... |
| 08:44.30 | _clock_ | there is red sed and ted |
| 08:44.58 | _clock_ | some of them have horrible complicated parameters like you have to type in exactly the directory tree |
| 08:45.04 | _clock_ | some don't work in some situations |
| 08:45.14 | _clock_ | and all do basically the same IIRC |
| 08:45.14 | KingofCSU | I can find anything about the red and ted, |
| 08:45.21 | _clock_ | I find BRL-CAD very confusing to use :) |
| 08:46.06 | KingofCSU | I can not find any documents about the red and ted . |
| 08:46.12 | _clock_ | Sometimes it doesn't 'like' some geometry and is 210x slower in rendering |
| 08:46.25 | _clock_ | For which some good soul wrote me some exceptional feature to solve exactly my situation |
| 08:46.39 | _clock_ | However this help doesn't fit into my system of scripts and won't work for other situations of course |
| 08:46.59 | _clock_ | KingofCSU: I am not surprised, I couldn't find them either |
| 08:47.34 | KingofCSU | sometimes i find it is hard to use the pix-png tool . |
| 08:48.05 | KingofCSU | _clock_: then How do you learn the red and ted? |
| 08:48.06 | _clock_ | KingofCSU: I can't find any reference manual on teh net |
| 08:48.19 | KingofCSU | same to you |
| 08:48.19 | _clock_ | KingofCSU: I don't remember how I learned them, but I already forgot it anyway :) |
| 08:48.34 | KingofCSU | :-D |
| 08:49.04 | _clock_ | Oh here is some reference on the Wiki |
| 08:49.06 | _clock_ | http://brlcad.org/wiki/MGED_Commands |
| 08:49.10 | _clock_ | But: |
| 08:49.15 | KingofCSU | there are only four BRL-CAD Tutorial Series to reference |
| 08:49.43 | _clock_ | 1) how should a user determine from "I want to know about red" whether he should search in Documentation or Wiki? Anyway, isn't Wiki a documentation too so shouldn't it be under the Documentation chapter? |
| 08:50.00 | _clock_ | 2) Is the Wiki official or unofficial documentation? How much can we trust what is written there? |
| 08:50.16 | KingofCSU | I see. but I am a Chinese. It is hard to understand the English in so special way |
| 08:51.06 | KingofCSU | the English in a specialized field or subject is hard to learn |
| 08:52.33 | KingofCSU | just finishing the 4 BRL-CAD Tutorial Series is not enough to model complex things. |
| 08:53.02 | _clock_ | Basically red is for combinations |
| 08:53.07 | _clock_ | and sed+ted is for primitives |
| 08:53.28 | _clock_ | And the BRL-CAD web is slow. |
| 08:53.37 | KingofCSU | :) |
| 11:37.32 | brlcad | which further reinforces the need for better organized/searchable/integrated documentation |
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| 11:46.52 | d-lo | mornin! |
| 12:01.08 | brlcad | mernin |
| 12:01.35 | brlcad | woot, RDNS is fixed |
| 12:02.10 | Yoshi47 | morning |
| 12:02.35 | Yoshi47 | Remote Distraction NURBS System |
| 12:06.24 | brlcad | yeah has been a distraction .. reverse DNS ;) |
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| 12:25.07 | Yoshi47 | oh that stuff, haven't even touch the reverse stuff, cause i don't think i need it |
| 12:26.34 | brlcad | having reverse dns on servers with a fixed ip can be pretty useful |
| 12:26.57 | brlcad | many tools do reverse lookups to validate origination |
| 12:27.46 | brlcad | e.g., irc .. |
| 12:37.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36105 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: where to pick up |
| 12:45.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36106 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/spltest.c: make the surface non-planar for testing now that planar is fixed |
| 12:52.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36107 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/ (if_X24.c if_ogl.c): |
| 12:52.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: consistency. if you're going to cast to unsigned long long pointers, then scan |
| 12:52.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: that. and do the same for X24 else obscure bugs are introduced. |
| 12:52.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: *_open_existing really is a hack that needs to be refactored away/into the libfb |
| 12:52.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: callback table better. |
| 13:31.23 | ``Erik | now just to migrate services *cough* |
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| 13:44.55 | brlcad | yep |
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| 14:17.31 | starseeker | returns |
| 14:20.32 | d-lo | *dun dun dunnnnnnnn* |
| 14:21.54 | d-lo | thinks it is mildly amusing that someone in Sri Lanka got their GSoc Tshirt before someone in PA. :) |
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| 14:34.43 | ``Erik | got his a while ago |
| 14:35.20 | ``Erik | like, 2 days after they said they were sending them out (actually saw the fedex tracking # before the email about them sending them out O.O) |
| 14:36.08 | ``Erik | mebbe you live in an area that they didn't believe to be accessable or inhabited? they had to procure pontoons for the cessna? :D |
| 14:42.11 | d-lo | ohh! ``Erik made a funny! |
| 14:42.35 | ``Erik | (do I get a doggie biscuit? do I? do I? do I? huh? huh? do I?) |
| 14:45.34 | d-lo | Nope, but you can have 179 mins off work today. Just tell'em Dave Said so. |
| 14:47.06 | d-lo | Nice: Texting while driving in MD will get you a $500 fine. Finalyl, some sense. |
| 14:52.52 | Yoshi47 | soon to be in Ontario too! even if on phone! or any device that isn't dash mounted |
| 14:53.05 | Yoshi47 | going to have to find a nice BT headset |
| 14:53.22 | Yoshi47 | maybe one that can work with my notebook too! |
| 15:57.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36108 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp_brep.cpp: More dsp tweaking - still doesn't raytrace. |
| 16:04.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36109 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp_brep.cpp: Hmm - flip bottom face. Raytrace now at least gives something. |
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| 16:35.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36110 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp_brep.cpp: Change a couple more face flips - apparently getting a raytrace now, but prep and raytrace times are both still very long. |
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| 17:58.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36111 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (Archer.tcl ArcherCore.tcl): A few minor tweaks. |
| 18:17.02 | ``Erik | holy owwow, SOMEONE's about to get a major beatdown http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/sad/1399709773.html |
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| 18:45.01 | d-lo | ``Erik: lol, that is awesome. |
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| 20:22.19 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36112 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: implement more breep conversion support callbackage |
| 20:25.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36113 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: reorder to remove the forward declarations on implementation-specific helper functions. |
| 20:31.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36114 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: plot needs a brep db internal |
| 20:33.10 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, that's some of the best lawyer bait I've seen for a while |
| 20:35.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36115 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: pass the new brep db internal, not the old bspline one |
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| 21:25.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36116 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: display both the old and new wireframes for now |
| 21:51.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36117 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: mged needs to better deal with kicking off an editor. really need to kick off our own terminal and invoke whatever editor from there. |
| 22:14.45 | brlcad | hm, a new .deb for ubuntu.. http://tecnicoslinux.com.ar/ |
| 22:16.03 | brlcad | nice if someone could test it out to see if it's worth hosting up |
| 22:18.02 | brlcad | and for those that can't read spanish, the link in there is http://www.tecnicoslinux.com.ar/livecd/brlcad_7.10_i386.deb |
| 22:34.11 | louipc | sounds old |
| 22:44.40 | brlcad | 7.10 is old, but I think the .deb is new :) |
| 22:45.03 | brlcad | certainly newer than the last .deb posted (7.8.4) |
| 22:46.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36118 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/nurb_brep.cpp: accumulate the bounding volume across the whole model |
| 23:07.44 | ``Erik | is the misc/debian unusable? I lost access to debian quite a while back :( |
| 23:07.55 | brlcad | should be usable |
| 23:08.04 | brlcad | more someone actually compiling the deb |
| 23:09.13 | ``Erik | and probably no 'customer' we could use as leverage to get a debian machine at the office |
| 23:09.52 | brlcad | I have access to a couple someone, but that really should be done by someone in the community (imnsho) |
| 23:10.02 | brlcad | s/someone/somewhere/ |
| 23:11.00 | ``Erik | *shrug* I wasn't all that sad when I deleted my debian partition to make more space for fbsd |
| 23:11.03 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:11.47 | ``Erik | (actually, I still have a debian machine... has, um, 120mhz cyrix processor with a dead fan, 48m ram, and I think a 1.6g hdd |
| 23:11.50 | ``Erik | ) |
| 23:12.50 | brlcad | I'd rather see us hit every monthly source release with solid docs, stable tools, clean builds, then focus on community infrastructure (website, wiki, forums, docs) |
| 23:13.01 | brlcad | if we're doing that, the community support will follow |
| 23:13.07 | ``Erik | spoze |
| 23:13.24 | ``Erik | I think I need to cook up some test cases for metaballs, there suddenly seem to be a slew of issues cropping up :/ |
| 23:13.33 | ``Erik | stupid ray marching crap |
| 23:14.17 | ``Erik | check this one out, I got a "test geometry" |
| 23:14.28 | brlcad | that procdb I hijacked is great for testing :) |
| 23:14.32 | ``Erik | 33 individual metaballs, each containing exactly one control point, unioned together |
| 23:14.41 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't think they ... get it |
| 23:15.03 | brlcad | I gave a snippet that showed how to merge them with code |
| 23:15.15 | ``Erik | ah, in the last hour or two? |
| 23:15.25 | brlcad | no, couple months bad |
| 23:15.28 | brlcad | back |
| 23:15.30 | ``Erik | oh heh |
| 23:15.42 | brlcad | I suspect it's because they don't like how they merge weight-wise -- non-intuitiv |
| 23:15.49 | ``Erik | I did some c&p/vim/c&p today and got a nice generated mb with no issues |
| 23:16.01 | ``Erik | the blob method is far better for what they want |
| 23:16.03 | brlcad | they want the weight/power/whatever to be a distance |
| 23:16.06 | brlcad | then blend |
| 23:16.13 | ``Erik | effectively what blob does |
| 23:16.27 | ``Erik | iso is the 'weird' one :/ |
| 23:17.15 | ``Erik | if'n I woulda seen these earlier, I would've seen about preparing materials to steal 10 minutes of this upcoming release meeting in the library |
| 23:23.22 | ``Erik | overclocks his stove O.o |
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| 00:17.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36119 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (14 files in 14 dirs): opennurbs provides a static factory allocator so that objects are instantiated within the DLL on Windows. be a good citizen and call that instead of calling new directly. |
| 00:27.48 | brlcad | is intrigued by the Loft() routines in opennurbs .. another potential means to implement a generalized sweep primitive coupled with the new brep() funcs |
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| 00:45.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36120 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (4 files in 4 dirs): more static factory allocation via New() instead of new |
| 01:35.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36121 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ (nurb.h raytrace.h): move all of the old nurbs functions out of raytrace.h into the nurbs.h header. removed duplication and fixed errors (non-existent functions) in the process. |
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| 03:43.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36122 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/nurb_brep.cpp: initial stubbing of the surfaces into the container. not quite. |
| 03:58.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36123 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/nurb_brep.cpp: u/v were flipped, now to fix the knots |
| 04:29.11 | brlcad | hah, we have liftoff |
| 04:33.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36124 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/nurb_brep.cpp: progress. just got first old NURBS surface to render as a new NURBS surface |
| 04:47.50 | brlcad | oh my god |
| 04:48.02 | brlcad | (!!!) |
| 04:48.18 | brlcad | it fraskingasd worked on the frag the first attempt |
| 04:48.21 | brlcad | and it's blazing fast |
| 04:49.41 | brlcad | doesn't believe it, goes to triple check things |
| 04:52.44 | brlcad | sure enough, prepped 903 surfaces in less than 2 sec, rendered a 512x512 in 19sec .. now to revert |
| 04:54.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36125 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/nurb_brep.cpp: this is freaking cool. but gotta turn off debugging else run into the old mged-lockup bug flooding the output channel |
| 04:55.53 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36126 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: turn off the old wireframe. stay's code definitely has a leg up there showing a detailed surface instead of just the edges, but for something as complex as the frag, it works out even better with just edges |
| 04:57.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36127 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/nurb_brep.cpp: kill the initial bounding volume code now that things seem to be working. |
| 04:58.45 | brlcad | hah .. now for comparison. old nurbs prep took about 0 secs, rendered a 512x512 in ... |
| 05:00.08 | brlcad | (still rendering) |
| 05:03.28 | brlcad | (halfway) |
| 05:11.21 | brlcad | 702 sec wallclock, 124 sec cpu (so even if the malloc problem were fixed, it's still nearly 10x slower) |
| 05:22.40 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/nurbs2brep/ |
| 05:22.55 | brlcad | pics ftw |
| 05:23.32 | brlcad | now the real beast test .. glass t72 |
| 05:45.28 | brlcad | looks like there are over 1000 nurbs surfaces mixed across 6 old bspline primitives, integrated with other objects |
| 06:15.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36128 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/bspline.cpp: add a couple #define handles to control the wireframe methods |
| 06:24.39 | brlcad | Yoshi47: http://brlcad.org/tmp/impeller/impeller2.png |
| 07:42.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36129 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/nurb_brep.cpp: add a little more diagnostic information about whether there's just one surface, valid object, valid topology, valid geometry, manifold |
| 09:39.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36130 10/rt^3/tags/rel-7-16-0/: tag to assign this core interface version to the corresponding BRL-CAD version |
| 09:43.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36131 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: typo in file name suffix |
| 10:53.12 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, you manage to get the script going? is that the new one? or old one? |
| 10:53.23 | Yoshi47 | nice rendering though |
| 10:53.27 | Yoshi47 | thanks |
| 10:56.05 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, your last 12 lines, did you do the test with the impeller? |
| 10:57.33 | Yoshi47 | that reminds me i have to clean up that tutorial i wrote, maybe when things settle down, My daughter is in the hospital again, she not eating or drinking much, so she needs a bunch of tests, but don't worry she happy and pretty healthy otherwise, they just plugged her in to the IV! She got a port under the skin, kinda cool actually. |
| 11:12.25 | brlcad | Yoshi47: all that chatter before the impeller2 url had nothing to do with the impeller :) |
| 11:12.32 | Yoshi47 | oh ok |
| 11:13.04 | Yoshi47 | so was it the new one? |
| 11:14.23 | brlcad | I still don't know new/old, just the one I have :) |
| 11:14.42 | brlcad | which I have to imagine is new, but before you wrote the script |
| 11:14.53 | brlcad | because otherwise you wouldn't have needed to recreate it |
| 11:15.50 | Yoshi47 | ah does it have a key way? when you have time to check, no rush, no key way means its the old one, the new one for the tutorial i added a keyway |
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| 11:33.47 | brlcad | heh, actually I seemed to have just lost the .g file.... |
| 11:33.58 | brlcad | searching the filesystem |
| 11:36.37 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 11:37.27 | Yoshi47 | well you can paste each of these lines into mged to make the new one, http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/d/2452-1/impeller.txt?g2_GALLERYSID=547cde1a5f437fb485373a2a612d12ce |
| 11:37.33 | Yoshi47 | if you want, |
| 11:38.47 | brlcad | how does that help answer the question? :) |
| 11:39.00 | brlcad | if you can't tell from the pictures, I certainly can't :) |
| 11:39.36 | Yoshi47 | one sec then, i'll render it quickly. |
| 11:39.43 | Yoshi47 | opening up another instance of mged |
| 11:41.23 | Yoshi47 | have to copy file from home |
| 11:49.15 | Yoshi47 | thats the old one, the new one only has 11 fins, but i do have to admit the old one looks better with 12 fins, i'll change the script to include 12 fins |
| 11:51.13 | Yoshi47 | im going to redo it with the new command and see what it get then i'll reupload the new commands |
| 11:51.37 | brlcad | k |
| 11:57.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36132 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/nurb_brep.cpp: comment cleanup, print surface count |
| 12:01.48 | Yoshi47 | on that render you just did, what the little white thing at the top closer to the left side? |
| 12:05.45 | Yoshi47 | here is the commands to create the new tutorial Impeller, which has 12 fins like the old one but has an added keyway, if you do get around to a render can you get the keyway visible, not straight on but to the side a little bit, http://ej.nijenhuis.pixi.me/d/2456-1/impeller.txt?g2_GALLERYSID=547cde1a5f437fb485373a2a612d12ce |
| 12:13.04 | brlcad | that's a custom light source |
| 12:13.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36133 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: (c-set-offset 'innamespace 0) .. undo drain bramage indent within namespace, cleanup |
| 12:40.04 | ``Erik | dang emacs specialness :D |
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| 12:57.48 | Yoshi47 | brlcad, thought so |
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| 14:22.53 | ``Erik | heh, wow, my brain parsed "DirectX 11" as "direct X11" O.o I must be a *nix geek. |
| 14:34.40 | d-lo | lol |
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| 15:08.17 | louipc | awe no source tarball for 7.16.0? |
| 15:10.21 | brlcad | louipc: not quite yet .. trying later today |
| 15:10.38 | brlcad | it is tagged, and the tarballs are sitting on my machine .. just didn't upload |
| 15:10.45 | louipc | aah cool |
| 15:17.55 | ``Erik | soooo, we can start breakin' shit again? :D |
| 15:27.12 | brlcad | yep |
| 15:29.22 | brlcad | Yoshi47: http://brlcad.org/tmp/impeller has the .g I was using |
| 15:38.15 | Yoshi47 | ah, i still have that one |
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| 18:56.46 | ``Erik | hah http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=855236 |
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| 19:37.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36134 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g.c: fixing some silly bugs. |
| 19:51.46 | ``Erik | so much silliness. |
| 19:51.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36135 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g.c: fix silly offset bug |
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| 20:10.14 | ``Erik | hm. |
| 20:32.31 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36136 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g.c: make region static (there's a reason). Prep the region in case no groups are defined in .obj file. Write last region. |
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| 20:46.02 | ``Erik | curses some. |
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| 21:47.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36138 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g.c: improved command catching, start using the facemax... thingie... etc |
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| 22:36.01 | brlcad | yay, a curses isst inteface |
| 22:41.39 | Ralith | isst? |
| 22:48.44 | ``Erik | whu? |
| 22:49.06 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:49.27 | ``Erik | yeahhhh, I think I'm gonna be busy with obj-g and playing with my balls for a bit, isst is kinda more back burner now |
| 22:49.51 | ``Erik | <-- can't find anyone to take care of his balls for him :/ |
| 23:22.04 | brlcad | Ralith: isst is the "interactive shotline selection tool" .. a real-time ray-trace viewer that lets you spin a model around, look at split views, etc |
| 23:25.07 | ``Erik | it exists in brlcad/src/adrt/ with the gui frontend in isst/ |
| 23:25.41 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/isst/trunk/ |
| 23:30.56 | ``Erik | I HAVE HEARD THE CRY OF THE CARROTS! |
| 23:36.34 | Ralith | brlcad: oh neat |
| 23:39.20 | ``Erik | ralith: do you have a recent BRL-CAD and GTK+ installed? |
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| 00:16.32 | Ralith | ``Erik: not atm |
| 00:16.37 | Ralith | the latter, probably |
| 00:16.42 | Ralith | I can rememdy that though |
| 00:16.43 | Ralith | why? |
| 00:17.40 | ``Erik | in case you wanted to see isst in action |
| 00:20.10 | louipc | heheh IriX64 just told me that he has brl-cad working on vista 64, with the obligatory screen shot |
| 00:24.02 | starseeker | woooot! |
| 00:24.05 | starseeker | is online once more |
| 00:24.12 | ``Erik | damnit |
| 00:24.14 | ``Erik | there goes the neighborhood |
| 00:24.20 | ``Erik | 70's boy is back online |
| 00:24.35 | starseeker | 70's?? more like 40's |
| 00:24.46 | ``Erik | mirror walls, shag carpet |
| 00:24.52 | starseeker | ah, yes :-) |
| 00:24.57 | ``Erik | are your appliance alvacado, or goldenrod? :D |
| 00:25.02 | starseeker | mirror wall check, shag carpet (thankfully) no |
| 00:25.03 | ``Erik | appliances |
| 00:25.10 | starseeker | off-white |
| 00:25.22 | louipc | all of that sounds awesome to me |
| 00:25.27 | ``Erik | really off white? like alvacado? ;) |
| 00:25.51 | ``Erik | (so gettin' my arse kicked tomorrow) |
| 00:26.02 | starseeker | nah, still too tired |
| 00:26.10 | starseeker | although brlcad has got to be even more shot |
| 00:26.22 | brlcad | nah |
| 00:26.59 | ``Erik | something about a bigassed needle full of adrenaline through the rib cage and straight into the heart, he's wired so bad his eyes are as messed up as uma's |
| 00:27.04 | ``Erik | :D *duck* |
| 00:27.16 | brlcad | ah, heh, welcome back to the addiction starseeker |
| 00:27.28 | brlcad | mm.. uma |
| 00:27.41 | brlcad | could be a good kill biller time |
| 00:28.03 | brlcad | or I could catch the two heroes i've not seen yet |
| 00:28.06 | ``Erik | (was actually a pulp fiction crack, but *shrug* whatever's good) |
| 00:28.28 | brlcad | *snort* "damn, I said god damn!" |
| 00:28.49 | brlcad | one of my fav quotes/scenes in pulp |
| 00:29.19 | brlcad | just finished making some of the best spaghetti evar |
| 00:29.27 | ``Erik | finishes up his lasagna |
| 00:30.59 | starseeker | wonders just how many updates he has waiting to compile... |
| 00:32.05 | ``Erik | heh "if I'm gay, then freddy mercury was gay!" |
| 00:40.36 | starseeker | winces - 111 packages |
| 00:40.49 | starseeker | oh, well... time to stress the local power grid |
| 00:42.12 | louipc | laffs |
| 00:42.40 | starseeker | sees subversion related items in the list and updates BRL-CAD before starting the process |
| 00:43.01 | ``Erik | wow, I'm glad I use freebsd and macports so I don't have to deal with all that O.o |
| 00:43.25 | louipc | wouldn't you if you wanted to update all your apps? |
| 00:43.42 | ``Erik | </sarcasm> |
| 00:43.51 | starseeker | ``Erik: oh, it SHOULD work - the last time I updated it and it broke, it was upstreams fault |
| 00:44.00 | starseeker | tends to run on the cutting edge |
| 00:44.38 | starseeker | too many cool changes recently for me to want to get stuck on the old code for any longer |
| 00:44.39 | louipc | I'm on the bleeding edge too, but I don't have to build 95% of it heh |
| 00:45.18 | starseeker | actually prefers it that way - there's a sort of purity in knowing your system can build itself from source code |
| 00:45.47 | louipc | winks |
| 00:46.16 | ``Erik | psst, starseeker, I think he's hittin' on ya |
| 00:47.05 | starseeker | nah, he just wants my mirror wall |
| 00:47.19 | starseeker | oh, I need to check out Haiku again |
| 01:58.22 | brlcad | ``Erik: may be reading it wrong, but that obj-g memset is sizeof(pointer) |
| 01:58.44 | brlcad | just bu_calloc instead and should be "sure" |
| 01:59.52 | brlcad | otherwise, needs to be sizeof(struct whatever) |
| 02:00.54 | brlcad | yay, looks like tcl folks are finally looking into our command length patch |
| 02:01.37 | yukonbob | waves in |
| 02:01.40 | yukonbob | which patch? |
| 02:11.26 | ``Erik | brlcad: I think I made that fix but didn't commit it? O.o dun remmeber, have to look at the src at work |
| 02:11.36 | ``Erik | it's in mid thrash :D |
| 02:12.46 | ``Erik | the original was banged out on a saturday and committed wtihout testing, gotta make things, y'know, work now |
| 02:34.55 | brlcad | you made some commits, that's only reason I noticed the snippet |
| 02:53.13 | brlcad | yeah, you took out the sizeof() |
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| 12:05.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36140 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g.c: use bu_fgets. update facemax. |
| 12:21.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36141 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g.c: fix multiple group parsing |
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| 14:43.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36142 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g.c: stubs for more commands |
| 17:27.25 | ``Erik | whoa, screw that, I'm just gonna do a small subset of obj |
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| 18:19.33 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm, pastbin.bzflag.bz seems to be having some issues |
| 18:19.49 | starseeker | well, in the meantime I'll use another one |
| 18:20.04 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, fs was full |
| 18:20.17 | starseeker | brlcad: anyway - I have a debugging backtrace on the failure of ogl to attach on OSX: |
| 18:20.24 | starseeker | http://paste.lisp.org/display/88073 |
| 18:29.04 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, that trace looks familiar |
| 18:30.03 | starseeker | not helpful, eh? |
| 18:38.08 | brlcad | not really unfortunately -- the display pointer looks alright, and you can't get any data info for functions lower than Tk_InternAtom() |
| 18:38.29 | starseeker | hmm. How do we attack this then? |
| 18:38.47 | brlcad | i mean, it feels like the x11 incompat from a while back |
| 18:39.03 | brlcad | remember that debian bug? |
| 18:39.33 | starseeker | ick |
| 18:39.34 | brlcad | there was a hack we could apply to tk to fix it, and there was a fix to x11 as well |
| 18:39.53 | starseeker | so it's not something at our level you think? |
| 18:40.24 | brlcad | I'm sure we're provoking it *somehow* .. but yeah, not clear if it's actually something wrong on our end |
| 18:40.44 | brlcad | does this result in the BadAtom abort? |
| 18:41.04 | brlcad | or just crashes? |
| 18:41.14 | starseeker | just crashes |
| 18:41.27 | brlcad | what's the setup? running local on mac 10.5 to local mac x11 ? |
| 18:41.35 | starseeker | yep |
| 18:41.48 | brlcad | is this an enable-all ? |
| 18:42.19 | starseeker | yep |
| 18:42.34 | brlcad | what does otool -L look like on the binary? |
| 18:43.39 | starseeker | want pastebin? |
| 18:44.02 | brlcad | it's highly suspicious that it crashes in Tk_InternalAtom .. and there are other reports of a Linux x11 client to mac server failing out (cleanly) with an X11 BadAtom failure |
| 18:44.13 | brlcad | sure |
| 18:46.17 | starseeker | http://paste.lisp.org/display/88075 |
| 18:47.21 | brlcad | hm, that looks good |
| 18:48.27 | brlcad | oh ,sweet! .. http://www.sealiesoftware.com/valgrind/ |
| 18:50.01 | starseeker | hah! |
| 19:06.17 | starseeker | diffing running the same debugging steps on both dm_X and dm_ogl, these are the only differences that occur prior to the X atom stuff: http://paste.lisp.org/display/88073#1 |
| 19:06.39 | starseeker | nothing null in there I can see |
| 19:07.03 | brlcad | that's not null |
| 19:07.08 | starseeker | unless it's the missing "T" in private13 |
| 19:07.23 | brlcad | it's 0xc i.e. 12 |
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| 19:42.33 | brlcad | is having major net issues for some reason .. can't load web pages |
| 19:43.10 | starseeker | growls at X11 + ogl + OSX... |
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| 20:11.15 | starseeker | brlcad: I don't suppose the Togl widget would help us any? |
| 20:12.23 | brlcad | how so? |
| 20:12.59 | starseeker | perhaps it has a different way of managing Tk/ogl interactions? |
| 20:13.17 | brlcad | there is already the start of a tk dm |
| 20:14.15 | starseeker | apparently all of our display managers incorporate Tk? |
| 20:15.50 | brlcad | no |
| 20:16.28 | brlcad | mged's tk sets up a window, our dm draws into it using whatever protocol |
| 20:16.52 | brlcad | so there's an interaction there |
| 20:17.26 | starseeker | hmm |
| 20:17.49 | starseeker | so setting up a non-tk window would require a fair bit of libdm code? |
| 20:19.46 | brlcad | you can't without making all of mged's gui non-tk |
| 20:20.01 | brlcad | libdm knows nothing of tk |
| 20:21.19 | brlcad | this is unbearable .. can barely use the network |
| 20:21.27 | starseeker | But (for example) dm_ogl.c uses Tk_Window types (sorry if I'm being dense) |
| 20:23.29 | brlcad | ah, yeah -- sorry didn't know that's what you meant |
| 20:24.38 | brlcad | "libdm knows nothing of tk" should have been "libdm knows nothing of tk-mged" |
| 20:24.44 | starseeker | nods |
| 20:24.57 | brlcad | it still chats tk to either create the window or embed into a window |
| 20:25.12 | starseeker | will that need to change for the new GUI? |
| 20:25.26 | brlcad | if we want to use libdm, yes |
| 20:25.42 | brlcad | otherwise, if it does it's own thing, won't matter |
| 20:26.26 | starseeker | ah |
| 20:27.44 | brlcad | the original purpose of libdm is no longer relevant, I wouldn't mind it going away |
| 20:27.53 | brlcad | it's purpose was abstracting away *hardware* differences |
| 20:28.16 | starseeker | oh, OK :-) |
| 20:29.01 | brlcad | it's still relevant for supporting entirely different output formats, like graphical display vs network display vs plot files vs image buffers, etc |
| 20:29.23 | brlcad | but not necessarily for the myriad of graphical displays for wgl/ogl/tk/x11/whatever |
| 20:30.04 | brlcad | there are projects that do a better job abstracting that than we do (namely sdl, tk, ogre, clanlib, etc) |
| 20:30.43 | ``Erik | heh, clanlib, that's one I haven't heard in a long time |
| 20:31.06 | brlcad | it's ripe for major refactoring, because there is a lot of useful logic there |
| 20:31.06 | brlcad | especially with something radically different like rtgl |
| 20:31.47 | starseeker | sounds like a candidate for a 2 hour "educate the clueless new programmer" design discussion ;-0 |
| 20:31.54 | starseeker | ;-) even |
| 20:32.16 | brlcad | the way tk was shoe-horned in for window creation is unfortunately messy, shouldn't be any direct tk in libdm except for the tk dm |
| 20:34.21 | brlcad | with bob working on an ogre dm, that makes for a convenient bridging path from old to new |
| 20:36.36 | brlcad | ``Erik: what's surprising is how well those guys keep at it over this many years .. :) |
| 20:36.46 | brlcad | they've picked up activity massively this past year |
| 20:37.01 | ``Erik | back in college, a buddy of mine (ken) and I were trying to make a worms2 clone with it |
| 20:37.08 | ``Erik | it was... really... crappy :D |
| 20:37.44 | brlcad | they were handicapped for years because of no 3dd support |
| 20:37.57 | ``Erik | yeh, and we were probably using the blit routines wrong |
| 20:38.03 | ``Erik | was hard to make it ok on a 166mhz pentium |
| 20:38.11 | brlcad | heh, that'd do it |
| 20:38.22 | ``Erik | yet worms2 ran swank on that machine, with no 3d accelerator in it |
| 20:38.54 | ``Erik | (BUT, the pentium had... ooh, MMX!) |
| 20:39.01 | brlcad | plus back then, the clanlib guys were in college too :) |
| 20:39.09 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 20:39.22 | ``Erik | looking at the history, it musta been really fresh back then |
| 20:39.45 | brlcad | they've been working on a new GUI system for it, which if they can get fleshed out might give them a really nice niche to carve out for themselves |
| 20:39.48 | ``Erik | first public release '99, this was probably in late '99 or '00 |
| 20:40.31 | ``Erik | personally, lispbuilder is what's making me put the throwpillow on my lap at this point |
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| 20:41.57 | ``Erik | dynamic redefinition in a live environment + heavy MVC configuration... :) ^C^C and the 'draw' function changes in the running program, no need to reload data or nothin' |
| 20:42.03 | ``Erik | *doingggngngnng* |
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| 20:45.16 | starseeker | well, that was weird |
| 20:45.39 | starseeker | xterm froze, closed it, reopened, logged back in, and still had to detatch and reattach screen |
| 20:46.31 | ``Erik | that happens once in a while |
| 20:47.00 | ``Erik | the sighup doesn't make it to all the xterms child processes, so bash thinks it's still connected, so screen thinks its' still attached |
| 20:47.52 | starseeker | humph |
| 20:48.16 | starseeker | wonders if there has been any more progress in the state of the art Qt+Ogre |
| 20:48.38 | starseeker | Ogre forums suck for this kind of thing... |
| 20:49.08 | ``Erik | what kind of thing, finding information? :D *duck* |
| 20:49.16 | starseeker | yep |
| 20:49.46 | ``Erik | starseeker: seen okra? |
| 20:50.11 | starseeker | no - what is it? |
| 20:50.13 | ``Erik | okra+buclet might be nifty |
| 20:50.16 | ``Erik | cl ogre |
| 20:50.25 | ``Erik | buclet is cl bullet |
| 20:50.33 | starseeker | heh - cool |
| 20:57.51 | brlcad | starseeker: their folks work (i.e., have discussions) via their forums like how we work on irc |
| 20:58.17 | brlcad | if you want to know something, best to ask there instead if searching doesn't come up |
| 20:59.02 | ``Erik | has noticed that panda looks that way on the outside (and newbies are directed to the forums), but there's an awful lot that happens on irc in spats if you wait long enough |
| 21:02.51 | brlcad | there is some that happens on irc, but most of their core devs aren't |
| 21:03.15 | brlcad | so you can get some info, but mostly anecdotal unless that particular dev is here |
| 21:13.05 | ``Erik | yowza, that takes me back heh |
| 21:13.46 | ``Erik | crank up the main loop, update the code while running, bug causes the main loop to crash... just like kernal hacking on the c64 with a monitor :D |
| 21:14.16 | starseeker | posted a question - we'll see what happens |
| 21:14.47 | ``Erik | assumes lithpth exception system could be convinced to allow the program to throw an error and continue, but doesn't know it yet :D |
| 21:15.17 | ``Erik | brlcad: set your dvr for 'stargate universe' tonight? |
| 21:24.29 | brlcad | don't have dvr any more, mostly all on-line |
| 21:24.43 | brlcad | but I'll probably try to watch that one live unless I forget |
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| 00:15.36 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:15.44 | learner | yeah.. |
| 00:15.53 | ``Erik | intarwebz get away from ya? |
| 00:15.57 | learner | so it's thrashing.. trying to regain control |
| 00:16.08 | ``Erik | it? |
| 00:16.10 | learner | .bz |
| 00:16.13 | ``Erik | ah |
| 00:16.15 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 00:16.26 | ``Erik | I ain't fucked with shit on that machine, just provided a place to move to. |
| 00:16.37 | ``Erik | whta's it thrashing on? |
| 00:16.42 | learner | less |
| 00:16.58 | ``Erik | less doesn't cause thrashes. |
| 00:17.13 | learner | was grepping log files, less'ing them .. less would run out of memory, then it'd proceed to write out a 512MB core file |
| 00:17.21 | ``Erik | ah |
| 00:17.30 | learner | the kernel would insist on writing the core file, even if unlinked |
| 00:17.38 | learner | and on a full fs, nonetheless |
| 00:17.40 | ``Erik | that kernel wouldn't have thrashed like that :/ |
| 00:17.48 | ``Erik | even in good state, none the less the wreck it is |
| 00:18.09 | ``Erik | dude |
| 00:18.12 | ``Erik | cut&run |
| 00:18.21 | ``Erik | I'll stay up as long as I can to aid in migration |
| 00:18.24 | learner | so there are like three less procs all crashed, supposedly writing out |
| 00:18.28 | ``Erik | it's 3 years past time. |
| 00:18.32 | learner | well right now I can't even get in |
| 00:18.49 | learner | are you logged in? |
| 00:18.59 | ``Erik | no |
| 00:19.10 | ``Erik | I'm afraid to try if it's resource swamped |
| 00:19.29 | ``Erik | seiral terminal would be good here about now |
| 00:19.36 | learner | yup, I have a request in |
| 00:19.44 | ``Erik | not hot line? |
| 00:20.22 | ``Erik | is boggled that they don't have a 24/7 line for that kinda $'s |
| 00:21.18 | ``Erik | heh, first time in like three months that I go get fucked up and the machine goes fitshaced. O.o |
| 00:22.45 | ``Erik | hm, apparently a hand held radio control unit is insufficient, they now have voice controlled remove control vehicles. |
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| 00:23.16 | ``Erik | wb, dave |
| 00:24.00 | brlcad | yay |
| 00:24.20 | ``Erik | so the old box is live? |
| 00:24.26 | brlcad | there is a 24/7 line |
| 00:24.35 | brlcad | they're fast on the ticket system though |
| 00:24.49 | brlcad | and I can put better details there |
| 00:24.58 | ``Erik | I'm a bit sad... was hoping for pressure to force a migration to the new hw |
| 00:25.01 | ``Erik | :) |
| 00:25.41 | ``Erik | now the redundancy argument is forefront. |
| 00:25.44 | ``Erik | *sigh* |
| 00:27.48 | brlcad | can't exactly force migration if I can't get on the box to migrate :P |
| 00:28.03 | ``Erik | is crit not repsonding? |
| 00:28.50 | ``Erik | no, all teh shit on crit that I haven't tested is because it relies on proper reversable hostnames being set |
| 00:29.19 | ``Erik | I can't fire up the zomfg config of apache because it does a dns lookup and does not own the IP's it wants to server. |
| 00:29.38 | ``Erik | bind and mysqld should just pop right up |
| 00:30.14 | ``Erik | took it as far as he can |
| 00:30.21 | ``Erik | many many many months ago |
| 00:33.09 | starseeker | anything I can do? |
| 00:35.13 | brlcad | dance? |
| 00:35.33 | starseeker | heh |
| 00:35.52 | brlcad | ``Erik: i know, and appreciated! |
| 00:36.22 | starseeker | will delete stuff off of bz if that will help anything |
| 00:36.32 | brlcad | the websites are what have to be migrated, and those can all happen pretty much right away, but just need to go one at a time to make sure they come up clean |
| 00:36.41 | brlcad | and for the db-centric ones, attach to their db |
| 00:36.48 | brlcad | engorges on indian food |
| 00:36.53 | brlcad | preps for SGU |
| 00:50.33 | brlcad | you say that every couple months you know |
| 00:50.36 | brlcad | you're not using any space |
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| 01:00.39 | learner | and so it begins.... |
| 01:04.24 | ``Erik | almost all the websites were fulyl migrated, as well as teh db... |
| 01:04.39 | ``Erik | the zomfg transition will have to cause pain... tehre ain't no way around it |
| 01:05.24 | ``Erik | it can be mitigated by doing service at atime |
| 01:05.29 | ``Erik | but we aint' doin' that... |
| 01:05.39 | ``Erik | <-- watches stargate universe, since he doesn't have a tivo |
| 01:06.09 | ``Erik | fucking migrate it, if I'm needed, the people who need to know DO know my phone number |
| 01:08.06 | ``Erik | (it's all good, if I get a phone call, then I watch this show at BRL-CAD's pad while he pours me dandy scotch ont he rocks, it's all good) |
| 01:08.51 | ``Erik | mcgyver's gettin' effin' OLD |
| 01:11.39 | starseeker | brlcad: I know, but sometimes a few megs can make all the difference in a tight corner |
| 01:12.04 | ``Erik | heh, and here I was about to regenerate /usr/ports O:-) |
| 01:12.42 | ``Erik | (yes. I gutted irrelevant parts of the OS to keep the machine running. Really.) |
| 01:12.43 | starseeker | flinches when he sees those disk full warnings |
| 01:13.21 | ``Erik | like, we're leaving this land, torch shit to make apath... |
| 01:13.26 | ``Erik | over a year ago. |
| 01:13.26 | ``Erik | :( |
| 01:14.20 | ``Erik | wonders if brlcad grosk how much damage was done to avoid total shutdown |
| 01:15.14 | ``Erik | (pretty much "gcc? bah, no one should be compiling anything here... gut majoy piecs of the compiler" |
| 01:15.17 | ``Erik | ) |
| 01:15.35 | ``Erik | damn irc logs |
| 01:16.00 | starseeker | yeah, I offer to delete every few months cause I keep forgetting just how huge the logs get |
| 01:16.12 | ``Erik | you're not the one |
| 01:16.20 | starseeker | some part of me still thinks a 1 Gig disk is a huge amount of space, I think |
| 01:16.23 | learner | so far, a good start |
| 01:16.45 | starseeker | glances at the 1 terabyte external drive he got for <$200 and reflects how silly that is... |
| 01:17.33 | learner | yeah, even more insane how much the ISP charges for something a quarter that size and double the price |
| 01:18.09 | learner | oof, ate too much |
| 01:18.10 | ``Erik | learner: the thing you set up for her, does it automagically bzip2? |
| 01:18.47 | ``Erik | I'll second you on scriptthink to cron it |
| 01:21.19 | learner | don't think it's automatic |
| 01:21.48 | starseeker | hmm |
| 01:21.56 | starseeker | ah, there it is |
| 01:21.59 | ``Erik | give it a manual pump, think of what the lasting effect is? |
| 01:22.43 | starseeker | locates the tarball of Multics he made |
| 01:22.48 | starseeker | first thing I uploaded to bz :-) |
| 01:23.02 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:23.10 | ``Erik | wonders where his vgr disk image is |
| 01:23.21 | starseeker | they had the code up on a website but no tarball - me fixed that problem :-) |
| 01:23.51 | brlcad | I did get her to change config so it at least breaks out logs daily now, so rsync isn't so painful |
| 01:24.06 | ``Erik | ja, ntoiced that |
| 01:24.14 | ``Erik | bzip2 would still be nice for local disk space :D |
| 01:24.36 | ``Erik | haven't done an rsync in a fiar bit, was waiting for ya'll to do the migratrion |
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| 01:25.45 | ``Erik | I d'no, I'm thinking this is pretty bad, but my mum thinks it's decent :/ |
| 01:26.13 | brlcad | wow 4.5 GB of *just* freenode notifications |
| 01:26.20 | ``Erik | YEAH, NO SHIT? |
| 01:26.21 | ``Erik | .. |
| 01:26.42 | ``Erik | no, I'm pointing my finger at her just for shits and giggles. :( |
| 01:27.17 | ``Erik | dare ya to look at cpu used since last boot. |
| 01:27.32 | ``Erik | here's a hint, the top couple consumers? irssi. |
| 01:27.43 | ``Erik | above mysql even |
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| 01:37.29 | starseeker | ``Erik: what's pretty bad? |
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| 02:33.32 | Ralith | ``Erik: weird. |
| 02:33.38 | Ralith | 'course, it is perl |
| 02:33.45 | Ralith | not the most efficient tool in the shed. |
| 02:35.34 | starseeker | Ralith: how goes school? |
| 02:37.30 | Ralith | pretty good so far |
| 02:37.38 | Ralith | midterms coming up next week though |
| 02:37.51 | Ralith | bit intimidated; one of my classes apparently has a history of people getting a 40% average. |
| 02:38.00 | Ralith | s/people/tests/ |
| 02:38.47 | Ralith | out of four classes I've got two which are genuinely interesting/educational; the remainder is the mandatory introductory course and the english course. |
| 02:39.04 | Ralith | the latter of which is interesting enough, but the former puts me to sleep. |
| 02:39.28 | Ralith | grabs some food |
| 02:53.04 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:53.09 | starseeker | yeah, intro classes are like that |
| 03:03.21 | starseeker | hrm - looks like I didn't commit that set of changes to the pipe csgbrep example |
| 03:03.47 | starseeker | hopes he didn't forget to commit the pipe changes too... |
| 03:04.14 | brlcad | I can log in later to check if you want |
| 03:04.54 | starseeker | brlcad: no worries - I'll get it on Monday if need be |
| 03:05.09 | starseeker | is disturbed that the current example in svn fails... |
| 03:05.30 | starseeker | now that I'm testing, it's something about the nmg code specifically that gentoo doesn't like |
| 03:06.34 | starseeker | wonders if he should redo the nmg_brep code to use more advanced routines instead of "building from scratch" |
| 03:06.40 | starseeker | bet it would be more robust |
| 03:08.44 | starseeker | might even avoid this problem... |
| 03:13.38 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks though :-) |
| 03:13.56 | starseeker | ah HAHHHH |
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| 03:15.55 | starseeker | finds the thing in nmg_brep he should have been freeing |
| 03:16.16 | starseeker | does happy dance - should still redo nmg code probably, but now pressure is somewhat lower |
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| 03:17.17 | starseeker | bet it lost my commit - phooey |
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| 03:18.24 | brlcad | I got a mail |
| 03:18.50 | starseeker | cool |
| 03:21.57 | starseeker | that's a good note to get some zzzzs on |
| 03:22.31 | starseeker | and let my box compile its way out of this fun little libxcb issue... |
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| 11:58.41 | starseeker | Anybody know of a software system that can take a stack of old files and build a revision control history from them based on dates? |
| 15:17.46 | louipc | I think I could use that too |
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| 18:14.44 | starseeker | reflects that a revision controlled version of US Law would be a good way to REALLY suck up bz file system space :-) |
| 18:18.42 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:22.20 | starseeker | hey, cool: http://github.com/divegeek/uscode |
| 18:24.02 | starseeker | knows better but still immediately pulls a copy of it... |
| 18:24.10 | starseeker | yay external hard drive |
| 18:35.11 | starseeker | wonders how long before Verizon regrets ever turning on our internet :-P |
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| 20:50.53 | louipc | heheeh |
| 22:21.18 | Ralith | starseeker: might not be hard to script something like that system. |
| 22:22.17 | starseeker | Ralith: maybe. I'm thinking it's something subtly different from normal VCS - in effect there's a VCS on top of a VCS |
| 22:22.52 | starseeker | you want to track and revert changes, but at the same time the results of changes is intended to be a NEW change history independent of the repository alteration history |
| 22:23.43 | starseeker | might be interesting for fossil guys or those who deal with evolutionary DNA research |
| 22:24.13 | ``Erik | amuses himself by stabbing ralith some more |
| 22:27.15 | Ralith | ignites ``Erik |
| 02:58.57 | starseeker | reflects that if the table being freed really resolves the NURBS issue, it's time to handle translate and rotate along with robustness testing |
| 02:59.18 | starseeker | then the holy grail - integrated surface/surface intersect logic! :-) |
| 03:00.22 | brlcad | what did freeing the ptbl have to do with nurbs? |
| 03:00.59 | brlcad | jdoliner's start on surface/surface can hopefully be put to good use |
| 03:01.47 | brlcad | even if incomplete, using it as the starting point to build from where that's presently at (even if it radically/totally changes) should prove useful |
| 03:19.08 | starseeker | brlcad: nothing directly, but it was preventing me from doing multiple csg->nmg->brep conversions in csgbrep at the same time |
| 03:19.39 | starseeker | which would also have been triggered instantly doing any kind of non-trivial brep conversion of a csg model |
| 03:20.03 | starseeker | yep, jdoliner's code will be the starting point |
| 03:23.21 | starseeker | has fingers crossed - there's a chance things will start to "click" into place now |
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| 03:37.27 | starseeker | YES, finally - got through the upgrade cycle |
| 03:43.40 | starseeker | crosses his fingers - now, after all that is it in a rebootable state... |
| 03:45.25 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36144 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/bu.h src/libbu/avs.c): move avs doxygen comments from implementation (source) to interface (header). |
| 03:46.21 | starseeker | woot |
| 03:46.27 | starseeker | it works :-) |
| 03:46.40 | starseeker | now I can go back to breaking it :-P |
| 03:58.15 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36145 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): move magic, bomb, bitv, and backtrace doxygen comments from implementation (source) to interface (header). |
| 04:01.08 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36146 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/bu.h src/libbu/brlcad_path.c): move bomb/exit doxygen comments from implementation (source) to interface (header). |
| 04:01.15 | brlcad | ops, wrong comment |
| 04:07.28 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36147 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/brlcad_path.c: make static functions use the HIDDEN define so we can turn then on/off. prefix all static functions with underscore to distinguish them from public API. |
| 04:21.37 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36148 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: formatting and other misc cleanup |
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| 15:38.52 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36149 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: cleanup, though much more to come. |
| 15:48.07 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36150 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/cmd.h src/libbu/cmd.c src/libbu/cmdhist.c): migrate command func docs into the headers |
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| 00:42.36 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 08:45.07 | brlcad | hi elena! |
| 11:49.27 | Yoshi47 | 34356:10 mged |
| 12:05.40 | brlcad | heh, point of diminishing returns :) |
| 12:18.33 | d-lo | mernin all. |
| 12:32.40 | starseeker | Yoshi47: I think that tesselation has probably reached the point where it will take less time to implement, test and run a better algorithum instead of letting that one finish ;-) |
| 12:33.01 | Yoshi47 | but.. but.. but.. |
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| 15:09.34 | ``Erik | yeh, wow, I'd call it, yoshi... looks like we might be doing an experimental 'marching cubes' style tesselator as an alternate path, that might be done before your nmg tesselate run O.O |
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| 15:19.24 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36151 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/spltest.c: Fixed a typo. |
| 16:34.00 | brlcad | or let it keep going and be the first to try the experimental one when it's ready in a couple months .. see which finishes first ;) |
| 16:34.57 | Ralith | ooh, new tesselation that soon? |
| 16:35.04 | Ralith | now *there's* motivation to get back on g3d |
| 16:36.02 | brlcad | needs to look for his old code |
| 16:38.22 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36152 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/ (Makefile.am dmtype.tcl tclIndex): stub out files for a command to change display manager types. |
| 16:39.07 | starseeker | notes that there is still no reply to his ogre posting... |
| 16:39.28 | yukonbob | happy monday #brlcad |
| 16:44.39 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36153 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/dmtype.tcl: Well, openmv LOOKS like the command to call for new dm setup but it's not displaying... |
| 16:50.26 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36154 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp: OK, looks like csgbrep can run cleanly now - enable all except dsp (which works only if terra.dsp is in the same directory.) |
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| 17:37.41 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36155 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/dmtype.tcl: OK, this refreshes it - now it just crashes after trying to do anything. (arrrgh) |
| 17:55.20 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36156 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/dmtype.tcl: OK, at least it doesn't die now, but background color info is lost and it's hard to tell if the type really has been changed, plus fb_close_existing errors... |
| 18:19.09 | starseeker | chuckles - ifp->if_name is /dev/X and X24_interface.if_type is "24 bit X Window System (X11)" - fb_close_existing is doing a strcasecmp to see if those are the same |
| 18:19.12 | starseeker | uh, nooo... |
| 18:22.45 | starseeker | brlcad: what is the "right" way to handle a comparison like that? |
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| 19:03.39 | brlcad | it shouldn't be comparing if_name to if_type |
| 19:04.49 | brlcad | that could be a bug |
| 19:05.15 | brlcad | at a glance, looks like one, but would need to dive more deeply |
| 19:08.45 | Ralith | starseeker: ogre posting? |
| 19:09.32 | brlcad | yeah, I think the header is (now) wrong. used to be user->type and app->name .. but now they're name and description |
| 19:12.17 | brlcad | after four hours of research, phone calls, and more calls .. I finally found a replacement battery in stock. woot! (they have exactly 1) |
| 19:25.48 | d-lo | laptop battery? |
| 19:34.40 | brlcad | car |
| 19:35.24 | brlcad | drained it empty too many times, now it won't build a charge |
| 19:35.40 | d-lo | wow as in the brandy new car? |
| 19:35.50 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:35.58 | brlcad | the stock battery is known for this |
| 19:36.13 | yukonbob | that's what you get for leaving the flux capacitor on w/o the car running... |
| 19:36.20 | d-lo | how is it that it was drained to zero capacity? Forget the lights or something? |
| 19:36.42 | brlcad | the alarm system drains it |
| 19:36.46 | brlcad | pretty quickly at that |
| 19:37.08 | d-lo | huh. Who'd a thunk. |
| 19:37.28 | yukonbob | modern cars. |
| 19:37.42 | brlcad | you have about two weeks on full charge on a new battery before the alarm and ECU will drain it dry |
| 19:38.10 | yukonbob | overheard a conversation about newer Mercedes having a firewire (!) connector available to the car if you break one of the taillights... |
| 19:38.15 | yukonbob | hasn't confirmed... |
| 19:38.20 | d-lo | and that is even with driving it? |
| 19:38.33 | brlcad | I hadn't driven it since thurs or friday |
| 19:39.03 | brlcad | and this is at least the third time to go dead, so I'm sure there has been crystalline buildup |
| 19:40.15 | d-lo | Not to knock that machine of yours, but the undersized capacity battery seems like a design flaw almost... |
| 19:41.32 | brlcad | not according to their principles -- it's all about track use; no reason you can't charge it every night in their mind |
| 19:41.59 | brlcad | stock is tradeoff "light" battery with a decent cold-crank |
| 19:42.11 | d-lo | heh, well I suppose that does make sense. |
| 19:42.22 | d-lo | whats the capacity/cca of the stock? |
| 19:42.28 | d-lo | its gotta be tiny :) |
| 19:42.45 | brlcad | if they had their druthers, I'm sure they'd opt for a voltphreak nano lithium |
| 19:43.39 | brlcad | but I aint paying a grand for a battery even if it is a sixth the weight :) |
| 19:43.42 | brlcad | tempting though |
| 19:43.46 | d-lo | heh, I'm sure :) |
| 19:43.51 | brlcad | it's not, like I said -- they went with a balance |
| 19:44.20 | brlcad | not too big, but barley big enough to be a weekly driver without having the alarm suck it dry |
| 19:44.56 | d-lo | lol, start keeping a spare battery in the passenger's seat :) |
| 19:45.09 | brlcad | kinda defeats the weight savings :) |
| 19:45.28 | brlcad | actually, the battery i'm getting is a little bigger, 6 lbs heavier |
| 19:45.38 | d-lo | dead battery kinda defeats the whole car thing :P |
| 19:45.55 | brlcad | and a solid 30% or so more capacity |
| 19:46.09 | d-lo | sounds like a good upgrade then. |
| 19:46.19 | starseeker | Ralith: http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52872&sid=eec749b9549d58752765d06e745084ba |
| 19:47.07 | brlcad | was going to get one of these.. but the only distributor is up in fallston and they're closed mondays (and I don't feel like waiting) http://www.sector111.com/handler.cfm?cat_id=20216&cat_id=20228&prod_id=1212&function=product |
| 19:47.54 | d-lo | 12AH? lordy... |
| 19:48.41 | d-lo | Why not just get a few packages of AA's and duck tape them together. a single AA has 2500 mAH ;) |
| 19:48.55 | brlcad | d-lo: here's the schedule of batteries that fit without "too" much hassle (almost all require a custom mount), http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f129/133373d1252964925-battery-choices-information-battery-schedule.jpg |
| 19:49.29 | brlcad | the top three are the stock versions (I have a variant of #2) |
| 19:50.52 | brlcad | iirc, the car drains about 35-40 mAH/s with the immobilizer and alarm on |
| 19:51.02 | d-lo | thats crazy man. |
| 19:51.10 | brlcad | that's cobra :) |
| 19:51.46 | brlcad | not really a lotus thing, just a high-end alarm .. the microwave system is probably the biggest drain |
| 19:52.34 | brlcad | (stick your hand in with the top off, alarm will go off) |
| 19:53.00 | brlcad | goes to pick up that battery, cyas |
| 19:57.43 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36157 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/dmtype.tcl: put colors back |
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| 20:23.51 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36158 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/ (dmtype.tcl help.tcl): update dmtype, add help |
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| 21:34.55 | starseeker | woot - dmtype set rtgl works with an rtgl enabled build :-) |
| 22:07.05 | ``Erik | O.O dead battery already? damn |
| 22:07.26 | ``Erik | glad I bought a german machine, not a british one :> |
| 22:19.05 | brlcad | ``Erik: I suspect the car sat on the dealer's lot dead for weeks |
| 22:19.50 | brlcad | it was dead before I test drove it, they had to quick-jump it :) |
| 22:27.48 | ``Erik | ah, so the battery got that one brutal deep cycle that screwed it up? |
| 22:28.27 | brlcad | no matter now, this new battery is a beast |
| 22:28.49 | brlcad | probably |
| 22:28.58 | brlcad | plus it was a wet battery, not sealed |
| 22:30.13 | ``Erik | well... http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/powerlaps.shtml so ptbtbtbbtt |
| 22:30.14 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:30.48 | brlcad | the alternator probably boiled off a fair bit of the acid water recharging it from dry, could hear is sloshing (seemed more than usual) .. |
| 22:31.15 | ``Erik | hm, wonder if the battery woulda been salvagable... *shrug* |
| 22:31.25 | ``Erik | gotta pay to play, batteries are cheap :) |
| 22:31.33 | brlcad | was looking at the exige-s's supercharger just yesterday.. |
| 22:32.11 | brlcad | could possibly get it and installed for less than 5g |
| 22:32.27 | brlcad | yeah, they are cheap |
| 22:32.58 | brlcad | well this new one wasn't (the sales dude even balked) but it's all relative and this problem shouldn't happen again |
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| 22:36.17 | ``Erik | hm, my next few mods are going to be more suspension tuning |
| 22:36.36 | ``Erik | ya just don't need power if you never have to slow down... :D |
| 22:37.00 | ``Erik | strut braces, mmmmebbe coilovers |
| 22:37.13 | ``Erik | the shortthrow shifter is nice |
| 22:37.55 | ``Erik | amusingly, the black one was all sorts of souped up when I bought it... race pedals, short-throw, massive ceramic brakes on the front, ... |
| 22:38.12 | ``Erik | <-- is just too much of a puss to push it |
| 23:15.40 | starseeker | winces - rtgl is... rather brittle at the moment |
| 23:29.10 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:49.49 | ``Erik | cranks up barry mcguire O.o |
| 23:58.45 | brlcad | starseeker: heh, you should try toggling X and ogl first :) |
| 23:59.05 | brlcad | rtgl is more than brittle .. unlike the other two dm's, it's also tightly tied into mged's update loop |
| 23:59.42 | brlcad | nifty, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/04/AR2009100402533.html?hpid=sec-politics |
| 00:24.41 | starseeker | brlcad: X and ogl seem to work - aside from that message about the bogus string comparison |
| 00:25.04 | starseeker | that is nifty |
| 00:25.29 | starseeker | ponders downloading an archive of the federal register to go with his us code download... |
| 00:46.18 | CIA-33 | libirc: 03mm_202 * r375 10/trunk/libirc/include/IRCTextUtils.h: Include <string.h> in IRCTextUtils.h. gcc 4.3.3 throws errors without it. |
| 00:58.51 | starseeker | uh... why are we getting libirc commit postings? |
| 00:59.10 | brlcad | we always have |
| 00:59.16 | starseeker | oh, ok |
| 00:59.38 | brlcad | when libirc was started, users were pointed to here |
| 01:02.18 | ``Erik | dang irc weenies, I'm glad I'm not one of those nerds |
| 02:06.38 | Ralith | libirc? |
| 02:41.48 | starseeker | wishes x86 could die... |
| 02:42.53 | starseeker | but suspects the projectsions are right and x86 will live on forever under the hood - yuck |
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| 03:12.37 | louipc | uh I like it. It runs my softwares |
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| 12:32.54 | brlcad | waves to d_rossberg |
| 12:44.55 | d_rossberg | brlcad: how are the version 7.16.0 tests going on? |
| 12:52.20 | brlcad | d_rossberg: green on all except mac, but it's tagged |
| 12:52.34 | brlcad | just hadn't uploaded the tarballs yet (later today) and sent the announcement |
| 12:54.57 | d_rossberg | fine, therefore i may publish my dll packages |
| 12:55.26 | d_rossberg | they are already prepared |
| 12:56.30 | brlcad | oh yeah, whenever something is tagged, it's good to go |
| 13:17.57 | d_rossberg | any idea of how to add release notes to a file on sourceforge's file release system? |
| 13:22.24 | d_rossberg | .. ok, got it, i've to write them into a file and upload this file ... |
| 14:05.31 | brlcad | actually I was wondering the same thing when they switched to the new system |
| 14:06.16 | brlcad | d_rossberg: do they recognize any specially named files like README or ReleaseNotes.txt or something? |
| 14:14.35 | d_rossberg | no, you have to upload a text file with the release notes on sourceforge |
| 14:14.50 | d_rossberg | then you can label this file as an release notes file |
| 14:15.09 | brlcad | right, but there's nothing they recognize to hook into the gui with little icons like before? |
| 14:15.18 | brlcad | they had release notes and changelog before |
| 14:15.43 | d_rossberg | after you did this, the file can be choosen as release notes for a package file |
| 14:16.08 | d_rossberg | (see the 7.16.0 dll packages for example) |
| 14:17.15 | d_rossberg | there seems to be no extra change log any more |
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| 14:40.53 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36159 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/openw.tcl: Add basic menu to toggle display managers in MGED. |
| 15:08.35 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36160 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/ (dmtype.tcl openw.tcl): Tweak menu text, put ae setting back after dmtype change |
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| 18:34.25 | brlcad | news |
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| 18:43.53 | brlcad | wee |
| 18:46.25 | starseeker | brlcad: news? |
| 18:46.46 | brlcad | NEWS |
| 18:51.42 | starseeker | oh :-) |
| 18:51.58 | starseeker | was waiting til I got the menus sorted out |
| 18:52.05 | brlcad | nods |
| 18:52.35 | brlcad | wasn't sure |
| 18:53.02 | starseeker | what I'd LIKE to do is expand the dm command to allow me to ask (say) if ogl is present, but that would break the paradigm of the dm command being just dm set ... |
| 18:55.33 | starseeker | still feels silly enhancing the old MGED menus, but oh well... |
| 18:59.42 | brlcad | think of it more as it's a mod that will get heavily used for at least a few years |
| 19:00.15 | brlcad | dm command should/can control, query, set, unset, manage the display managers.. |
| 19:00.42 | brlcad | nothing wrong with "dm valid ogl" or "dm query ogl" or "dm list", etc |
| 19:01.02 | starseeker | OK, cool |
| 19:01.11 | starseeker | that'll keep things cleaner. |
| 19:01.28 | brlcad | dmtype -> dm set ? |
| 19:02.32 | starseeker | set appears to be used to set dm specific variables, so I wasn't sure if it would violate expectations to have a dm set command change the dm itself rather than a variable with in the dm context |
| 19:03.18 | brlcad | tcl-style would be something like "dm configure -key val" |
| 19:03.36 | brlcad | dm is a deb command |
| 19:03.44 | brlcad | er, dev command |
| 19:03.47 | brlcad | so you can do what you need to it |
| 19:04.03 | starseeker | well, if it's supposed to be set by the menu anyhow... |
| 19:04.18 | starseeker | ok, cool :-) |
| 19:04.37 | brlcad | right, the user-documented way should just be the gui |
| 19:05.19 | brlcad | i mean could mention it if it's a unique command/subcommand, but not really worth the maintenance or effort if it needs to change |
| 19:05.29 | brlcad | menu is simple/sufficient/useful |
| 19:05.51 | brlcad | archer will be rather different regardless, then the command-line method can be better sorted out |
| 19:06.25 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:27.44 | brlcad | ~seen talcite |
| 19:27.47 | ibot | talcite <n=Matthew@d24-141-28-249.home.cgocable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 32d 16h 50m 34s ago, saying: 'hey guys. What's the tool to use for signal processing?'. |
| 19:28.35 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36161 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Get menues working conditionally in MGED (via expansion of the dm devel command) and preserve ae orientation in working view - probably need to do more state preservation stuff later. |
| 19:42.38 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36162 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/dm.xml: Add a mention of the valid subcommand to the dm man page. |
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| 20:56.48 | brlcad | mm.. dm valid should return 0/1 boolean, so you can use it in logic: if [dm valid ogl] { puts "woo hoo" } { puts "aww, shucks" } |
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| 21:12.26 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36163 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: shift up the next iteration tasks. converting nmgs to opennurbs is complete (presently happens during ray-trace only, but there is a simple routine). gui support for swapping display managers is complete. |
| 21:13.47 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36164 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need to rename istat/dstat to avoid naming conflicts being manually worked around in our fedora integration |
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| 01:47.22 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36165 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/cmd.h src/libbu/cmdhist_obj.c): migrate command history func docs into the header |
| 01:49.32 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36166 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libbu/uce-dirent.h rt/do.c rt/viewedge.c rt/viewrad.c): goodbye 1992. DEC __alpha is no more. |
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| 02:00.23 | starseeker | idly wonders if FreeCAD compiles and runs any better yet |
| 02:03.22 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36168 10/brlcad/trunk/ (9 files in 2 dirs): more libbu header migration and cleanup to put docs with api |
| 02:28.22 | ``Erik | hm. |
| 02:28.28 | ``Erik | can, uh |
| 02:28.36 | ``Erik | we ditch the alliant and gould shit, too? O.o :D |
| 02:29.05 | ``Erik | y'know, goodbye 1978? O.o |
| 02:29.37 | ``Erik | (or 82, or whatever) |
| 02:31.02 | yukonbob | win 3 |
| 02:31.08 | yukonbob | fails self |
| 02:32.37 | ``Erik | *blink* *blink* |
| 02:32.47 | ``Erik | wasn't that, like, late 80's? |
| 02:33.13 | ``Erik | oh wow, early 90's |
| 02:33.25 | ``Erik | <-- cut his teeth on cp/m O.o |
| 02:36.40 | ``Erik | but, yeah, we still have a slew of ifdefs for gould and alliant equipment, probably other ancients like the ibm 360 or 390 :/ |
| 02:37.02 | ``Erik | cray2, ... |
| 02:37.48 | ``Erik | cra1, whatever eta10 is, vax, ... |
| 02:38.02 | ``Erik | convex |
| 02:38.43 | ``Erik | might be premature to eliminate the sgi and mips defines, O.o but alpha was hardly the most obsolete in the listing here :D |
| 02:39.30 | ``Erik | wonders if that's a good "junior developer" task, learn some codebase and history at the same time |
| 03:14.09 | starseeker | attempts the opencascade ebuild yet again... |
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| 05:16.55 | ``Erik | jabs brlcad until he wakes up to help mal |
| 05:17.22 | Maloeran | Eheh thanks, though let him sleep :) |
| 05:17.35 | ``Erik | he doesn't sleep. |
| 05:17.50 | ``Erik | not until he burns out and dies, anyways |
| 05:17.52 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 05:17.58 | Maloeran | He... rests? He closes his eyes and plans future code? |
| 05:18.18 | louipc | hehe |
| 05:19.14 | Maloeran | Well brlcad, Erik tells me you could have some recommendations for online banking in the US. It seems "the law changed" and SURVICE will no longuer be able to directly deposit in my bank account in Canada, and I would like to avoid having to handle checks |
| 05:19.59 | Maloeran | I only need a bank that will receive the money and allow me to forward it to Canada, at low cost |
| 05:21.40 | louipc | some canadian banks have some kind of partnerships with american ones |
| 05:22.31 | Maloeran | Parternships? |
| 05:22.35 | louipc | ... I was able to use my bank card in certain american ATMs without paying the service charge |
| 05:23.01 | ``Erik | atm network agreements may not cover this legality issue |
| 05:23.20 | louipc | maybe not |
| 05:23.30 | Maloeran | It's a legality issue, they could make direct deposits in my bank account just fine, they did for almost 3 years |
| 05:23.41 | louipc | but there could be something similar |
| 05:24.24 | ``Erik | my gut feeling is that one of the online only banks would be optimal for mals need :/ |
| 05:24.38 | Maloeran | Surely so Erik, but I have no idea where to begin my search |
| 05:24.58 | louipc | ing? :P |
| 05:28.46 | Maloeran | Any second opinion on ING?... |
| 05:29.21 | Maloeran | American checks take weeks to clear up here, and it's quite inconvenient if I'm out of the country, ah gez |
| 05:30.42 | ``Erik | mal: maybe you could ask http://news.ycombinator.com/ ? they're like slashdot minus the suck with a huge slathering of (sane) business added |
| 05:30.43 | louipc | or maybe hsbc... |
| 05:31.13 | ``Erik | perhaps a well worded question would get some useful responses from people in teh same situation :) |
| 05:31.57 | louipc | best to call and ask I'd say |
| 05:32.23 | Maloeran | Strange site, Erik, never heard of it |
| 05:32.32 | ``Erik | heh |
| 05:32.39 | ``Erik | I've been hooked on it for the last year or so |
| 05:32.53 | Maloeran | Oh, and what's your comic url again? |
| 05:32.59 | Maloeran | I don't have it bookmarked on the laptop |
| 05:33.00 | ``Erik | just about everything on slashdot that interests me shows up there a few days earlier |
| 05:33.07 | ``Erik | brlcad.org/~erik/comics/comic.php |
| 05:33.39 | Maloeran | Thanks |
| 05:33.52 | ``Erik | I have 90% of a replacement ready, just lack the will to finish it... php/mysql, which I've decided is inferior. |
| 05:34.59 | ``Erik | (adds the notions of a user so you can specify which comics you care about and does dynamic soft updating so'z you don't brutalize the website and get all the 'missed' comics if you don't check daily) |
| 05:35.29 | ``Erik | a couple sites are real stinkers, like boasas has the 'next' button on the latest page wrap to the first |
| 05:42.55 | louipc | for sure |
| 05:43.57 | ``Erik | <-- willing to call it gpl or something and chuck the src out O.o |
| 05:44.37 | louipc | oh your replacement is inferior? |
| 05:45.51 | ``Erik | it's insufficient in a couple minor aspects |
| 05:45.57 | louipc | ah |
| 05:47.13 | ``Erik | actually, I think the wraparound is handled, the "default page" issue is the gotcha |
| 05:47.33 | ``Erik | <A HREF="/index.php">Next</A> |
| 05:59.44 | Maloeran | Doesn't look like I can open an account online anywhere since I'm not an US resident, I'll have to go to some bank personally |
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| 08:42.55 | brlcad | Maloeran: gotta run, but back in a couple hours -- ING is a great choice |
| 08:43.31 | brlcad | there's at least five that are really good, international, full-service online banks now |
| 08:44.29 | brlcad | E*Trade Bank is another good one |
| 08:46.18 | brlcad | wells fargo was in my top three too iirc |
| 08:46.52 | brlcad | depends mostly how much reserve cash you keep in terms of fees, minimums, account types, etc |
| 08:47.52 | brlcad | runs off into the morning |
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| 12:15.26 | d-lo | lol, this is pretty good: http://michaelfuchs.org/razorsedge/index.php?story=2009-04-24 |
| 12:25.17 | starseeker | grunts - FreeCAD fails to build again |
| 12:25.45 | brlcad | classic :) .. http://michaelfuchs.org/razorsedge/img/graphjam/pacman.jpg |
| 12:28.02 | starseeker | brlcad: hehe |
| 12:45.46 | Maloeran | Thanks brlcad. If that helps, I don't intend to keep much into that account, it would just be on the way to forward the funds to Canada |
| 12:46.21 | Maloeran | I can't open an account in any of these online, I'll have to do that in Baltimore, so I would prefer to find a good one right away |
| 12:46.51 | Maloeran | Most of all, one that allows wire transfers to foreign banks from the internet |
| 12:47.40 | brlcad | Maloeran: you can't open an ING account? |
| 12:48.09 | brlcad | once you have an ABA, you don't need wire transfers -- they can just do direct deposit |
| 12:48.41 | brlcad | with direct deposit, most of them will decrease or eliminate their minimum balance requirements |
| 12:48.41 | archivist | theses days you need real hard proof to get a bank account |
| 12:48.41 | Maloeran | I have an ABA, they can't transfer to Canada due to some legal change since September 18th |
| 12:49.11 | brlcad | you mean to transfer to some other account in canada? |
| 12:49.34 | brlcad | wire transfer != direct deposit |
| 12:49.36 | ``Erik | http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/piechart_300x1981.6sitjfs3d4kc88skoc40o8g4w.8td8r2s3w1cs4kksc4okksgg8.th.jpeg |
| 12:49.51 | ``Erik | http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/imagesmr-20t-20graph.jpg |
| 12:50.08 | Maloeran | I know I know, I'm just saying I already have an ABA but it's some legal issue apparently. I could transfer to said ABA myself from the american bank then, that's what you are saying |
| 12:50.33 | brlcad | yeah, or just use the online bank as your only/main bank |
| 12:50.38 | brlcad | that's actually what I do now |
| 12:50.58 | Maloeran | I'll need a credit card with them then |
| 12:51.05 | brlcad | o.O |
| 12:51.07 | brlcad | why? |
| 12:51.18 | brlcad | oh, you'd need at least a debit card, sure |
| 12:51.31 | brlcad | not a credit account, though |
| 12:52.11 | Maloeran | I'm just saying it won't be my "only/main bank" if I have to keep using my credit card from the RBC |
| 12:52.45 | brlcad | of course, you'd drop the RBC, get a new debit card for ing or etrade or whomever |
| 12:52.49 | Maloeran | Having a look at ING. Most online banks I had looked at yesterday would not open the account the moment I said I wasn't an US resident or I didn't have an US security number |
| 12:53.35 | brlcad | ah, that could be an issue .. I can see wells fargo not allowing that, but not a couple of the bigger international banks |
| 12:53.39 | Maloeran | ING requires the security number and there is no "Country" field to specify one's home address |
| 12:53.53 | Maloeran | So I'll have to go to some bank personally |
| 12:53.56 | brlcad | is it actually required? 000-00-0000 :) |
| 12:54.30 | Maloeran | And I can't define my home address? :) No country field, and a "State" drop-down menu |
| 12:56.31 | louipc | why not call/email the bank and ask about it? |
| 12:57.03 | Maloeran | Surely I would have to present myself personally with a passport at least |
| 12:57.13 | Maloeran | I guess I'll go ING in Baltimore next week, thanks |
| 12:57.19 | Maloeran | to* ING |
| 12:58.04 | louipc | yeah they definitely need to confirm your identity |
| 12:58.30 | brlcad | Maloeran: might want to try E*Trade Bank, they have a pretty good international presence and excellent e-services |
| 12:58.33 | louipc | but I don't think you have to show up in person |
| 12:58.46 | brlcad | their site says international customers have to call |
| 12:58.55 | Maloeran | The strange part is that I read about the supposed changes on IATs ( International ACH Transfers ) since September 18th, and the US authorities only want to collect some extra information to prevent money laundering |
| 12:58.58 | brlcad | 1-800-387-2331 |
| 12:59.05 | Maloeran | It doesn't seem like that would prevent SURVICE from doing IATs |
| 12:59.19 | Maloeran | Ah I see, thanks brlcad |
| 13:00.18 | brlcad | they have a specific international site, but it looks like it might only cater to stock trading .. and bizzarely, canada isn't in their list of countries |
| 13:00.46 | ``Erik | did they already update the site and have canada listed as the 51st state? :D *duck* |
| 13:01.19 | Maloeran | If we were the 51st state, I wouldn't have these issues with international ACH transfers :) |
| 13:02.10 | ``Erik | (a bank jumping the gun? gov't being slow? no, that couldn't possibly happen ;) |
| 13:02.47 | brlcad | Maloeran: for a measly 10% fee, I'll gladly open the account for you and do monthly wire transfers ;) |
| 13:03.22 | ``Erik | counts the number of TLA's suddenly very interested in brlcad O.o |
| 13:03.30 | Maloeran | Yes, that's... very generous :) |
| 13:03.32 | Maloeran | What's a TLA? |
| 13:03.34 | brlcad | it is really odd that canada is missing from that list |
| 13:03.36 | brlcad | ~tla |
| 13:03.37 | ibot | it has been said that tla is Three Letter Acronym, or the name of the binary for GNU arch |
| 13:04.02 | louipc | hahhh |
| 13:04.06 | brlcad | "cia", "nsa", "dhs", ... :) |
| 13:04.13 | Maloeran | Oh. :) |
| 13:04.41 | louipc | more devs then? |
| 13:04.57 | brlcad | I'll cut their agents in for 5% |
| 13:05.26 | ``Erik | notes that brlcad left the scariest of them all off his list... irs O.O |
| 13:05.35 | brlcad | heh |
| 13:06.19 | Maloeran | Or I just fly every month to some Branch Banking and Trust Company to cash checks directly, woohoo.... |
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| 13:09.40 | ``Erik | mars in 39 days, that'd be nutty |
| 13:13.18 | ``Erik | looks at the LCROSS impact schedule and curses the fact that he lives in french polynesia |
| 13:16.29 | Maloeran | Isn't that supposed to crash in the moon? |
| 13:16.36 | ``Erik | yup |
| 13:16.56 | Maloeran | You should be safe in french polynesia then |
| 13:17.11 | Maloeran | Oh you mean, you won't be able to see it from a telescope or so |
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| 13:17.21 | ``Erik | heh, it'll be daybreak here so the plume will be obfuscated |
| 13:17.37 | ``Erik | 7:31am :/ |
| 13:18.11 | Maloeran | I'm sure they'll display pretty pictures on television, a lot better than you could get with a telescope |
| 13:18.54 | ``Erik | yes, and seeing photographs of the articles in a museum is just as good as going |
| 13:18.54 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 13:19.32 | ``Erik | this one's neat because when it does a dirt-torpedo, they get to say "uh, we meant to do that" |
| 13:19.35 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:20.22 | Maloeran | Yup :D |
| 13:21.41 | Maloeran | can open a bank account with ingdirect.ca, but then surely that would qualify as a canadian bank |
| 13:30.00 | Maloeran | Neat, Somali pirates attacked a french warship thinking it was a cargo ship. That didn't work out too well for them |
| 13:31.45 | ``Erik | hm, fuel supply ship, not a warship, but not completely unarmed and passive :) |
| 13:32.52 | archivist | command and supply ship, the Somme, repelled the attack and chased the pirates, capturing five of them |
| 13:33.02 | ``Erik | looking at the pic of la somme, they musta been really retarded |
| 13:33.27 | ``Erik | ah, at night |
| 13:33.30 | archivist | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8294858.stm |
| 13:33.40 | ``Erik | http://www.france24.com/en/20091007-french-navy-captures-pirates-attacking-ship-somalia-somme |
| 13:35.59 | ``Erik | kinda messed up, after their gov't collapsed, chinese drag fishers went hogwild devastating local fishing, so the remains of the coast guard and some fishermen tried to chase them off, but stealing and ransoming seemed too attractive :/ |
| 13:38.53 | Maloeran | If they had actually captured ships within their territorial waters, they wouldn't be regarded as much as pirates |
| 13:39.50 | ``Erik | they did, but they ransomed them, which changed what the world thought back in the 90's... |
| 13:40.38 | ``Erik | *shrug* as with all things, it's far more complicated once ya look into the details :) |
| 13:41.57 | Maloeran | Oh, it wasn't a ransom, just a... fine? :) |
| 13:42.07 | Maloeran | Yes, it's a rather complicated issue |
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| 21:09.07 | brlcad | Maloeran: call them .. if their ABA number is 031176110 .. then it's no different :) |
| 21:09.26 | brlcad | (ingdirect.ca) |
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| 22:11.58 | brlcad | starseeker: http://www.stellarsoftware.com/ |
| 22:12.07 | brlcad | maybe interest you, or ideas for us to implement :) |
| 22:15.34 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36169 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/ (dm-ogl.c dm-rtgl.c): Do what dm-X does and abbreviate some of the struct references for readibility. |
| 22:16.06 | brlcad | just a few days ago, ouch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kamdesh |
| 22:16.25 | starseeker | dammit |
| 22:16.46 | starseeker | was too slow on the ctrl-c |
| 22:18.31 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36170 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Whoops, sucked in dm-rtgl by mistake. |
| 22:18.48 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm, cool :-) |
| 22:19.34 | louipc | hah there's a huge gap between what nato claims the taliban lost, and the taliban claim |
| 23:10.19 | ``Erik | it's war, everyone loses |
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| 23:43.04 | Maloeran | Thanks brlcad, though it looks like ING has distinct entities for each country it operates in |
| 23:43.22 | Maloeran | In other words, ingdirect.ca is a canadian bank so that won't help |
| 23:43.40 | starseeker | Maloeran: you may find the law specifically precludes what you're trying to do - it might be worth checking on |
| 00:06.33 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36171 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-ogl.c: Ooops, typos. |
| 00:09.25 | starseeker | man this ogl bug is subtle |
| 00:10.37 | louipc | ``Erik: but did the taliban lose 100 or 7? |
| 00:23.50 | starseeker | helllllp... |
| 00:29.58 | starseeker | how do I debug this thing??? |
| 00:32.45 | starseeker | can't believe it's UpdateTitle that results in sudden death... |
| 00:37.57 | starseeker | contemplates making a Tk window before calling ogl_open and "faking" a gui startup sequence |
| 00:38.15 | starseeker | q |
| 00:38.18 | starseeker | whoops |
| 03:58.06 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36172 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/bu.h src/libbu/globals.c): move the doxy docs for the globals declared extern in bu.h to bu.h |
| 11:51.23 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36173 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (4 files in 2 dirs): initial work for a building/structure proc-db |
| 11:53.53 | d-lo | brlcad or anyone else: is there any existing functionality for tracking 'used' object names inside a database? (so as to prevent duplication) |
| 11:58.30 | brlcad | you do a db_lookup on the name |
| 11:58.39 | brlcad | LOOKUP_QUIET |
| 11:59.07 | d-lo | good deal, thanks. |
| 11:59.22 | brlcad | that is also a librt routine, not a write-only operation |
| 11:59.49 | d-lo | Also, is there any dire reason (beyong preference) to use C over C++? |
| 12:00.07 | brlcad | no such assertion |
| 12:01.04 | brlcad | tools can be c/c++, it's the libs and existing c apps that shouldn't mix |
| 12:01.25 | d-lo | okay. I only ask because I keep running into 'great things' that could be done with a pinch of OO. |
| 12:01.49 | d-lo | Que ``Erik with some snide "lisp rulz!!1!" comment :) |
| 12:01.52 | brlcad | turning a tool into a library routine would be problematic as c++ down the road if portaions are generalizable to a library, like libged |
| 12:03.29 | brlcad | you can do most OO constructs in c, at least most of the ones that are not just syntax shortcuts |
| 12:04.05 | d-lo | I was really looking at function overloading... its a pain not having it :) |
| 12:12.52 | brlcad | ah, you can get yourself polymorphism, but you have to do a little setup |
| 12:13.25 | d-lo | but how much is gained by 'doing a little setup' versus just using cpp? |
| 12:14.03 | brlcad | depends on the use |
| 12:14.24 | brlcad | it keeping it as a set of C routines that you can pull into a library is important, then might be worthwhile |
| 12:14.34 | brlcad | otherwise, just use c++ |
| 12:15.01 | d-lo | and the only reason why a cpp lib is bad is simply because all the others are c libs? |
| 12:15.16 | brlcad | notes "cpp" is rather confusing/misleading as it's the name of the "c pre processor" that expands #includes and such |
| 12:15.52 | brlcad | a cpp lib isn't bad |
| 12:16.07 | brlcad | mixing c++ into a C api is generally bad |
| 12:17.10 | d-lo | right, so if this make building thing turns into a lib (down the road), then wiring it into libged would prove difficult if libBuilding (or whatever) is c++ ? |
| 12:17.32 | brlcad | there are ABI portability issues with the libraries, linkage incompatibilities, other issues |
| 12:17.42 | brlcad | if it is fully contained as such, then not so bad |
| 12:18.22 | brlcad | it's more that you cannot expose it (at all) symbol-wise and public API |
| 12:19.28 | brlcad | e.g., openNURBS in librt -- not exposed, just an implementation detail under the hood so linkage still doesn't expose any c++ |
| 12:19.57 | d-lo | Hrm, so it it were all 'under the hood' and operated on a provided db_i only, then it would be safe? |
| 12:20.13 | brlcad | doable |
| 12:20.53 | brlcad | be more concerned that you've learned how to use one shiney hammer, so everything looks like it needs to be beaten with that hammer :) |
| 12:21.28 | brlcad | they're different mindsets with tradeoffs on both ends, good to be proficient in both :) |
| 12:21.36 | d-lo | huh? I am talking about how to best implement an idea. |
| 12:21.44 | brlcad | likewise |
| 12:21.59 | brlcad | the language has little to do with that |
| 12:23.17 | brlcad | it's more a procedural data-driven approach vs an object-oriented approach vs a functional approach, etc |
| 12:24.05 | brlcad | you can take most problems and implement them with any one of those three and there are lots of tradeoffs, rare that one is superbly dominating "better" |
| 12:24.11 | brlcad | usually more just one is more "familiar" |
| 12:24.35 | brlcad | just saying it's good to hone skills at least on the other two at some point as well |
| 12:25.26 | brlcad | otherwise everything starts looking like an OO problem and you miss the big picture, acquire bad habits, tend to over-architect, over-abstract, obfuscate, ... it's a balance |
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| 13:21.05 | ``Erik | *readreadread* |
| 13:22.53 | ``Erik | exposing c++ shtuff in libraries gets into issues with different name mangling (there is no standard). G++ isn't (or wasn't) even self-consistent, so a library providing c++ entry points compiled with, say, gcc 4.1 couldn't be correctly linked to with gcc 4.2, it'd get missing symbols, iirc |
| 13:24.22 | ``Erik | heh, yes, people new to oo become "architect astronauts" and start designing things like... upstairs... :D *duck* |
| 13:44.07 | d-lo | tee hee. |
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| 15:22.56 | brlcad | howdy mafm m |
| 15:23.50 | mafm | hi there |
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| 18:38.17 | ``Erik | hm, a darcs library was listed as a 'todo' back in june |
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| 20:02.10 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: OK, temporarily comment out some of the dm-ogl code - this allows things to come |
| 20:02.11 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: up on the Mac, but (obviously) messes with the initialization of the gl context |
| 20:02.11 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: something fierce. Try to work out why these commands are upsetting things. |
| 20:25.46 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36178 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pl-dm.c: more cleanup, quell slew of warnings, remove unused vars. |
| 20:39.13 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36179 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pl-dm.c: enable the '-t o' option to open up an ogl display manager. sure enough, it crashes. |
| 20:40.12 | brlcad | what's interesting there is that there are no calls to make_current |
| 20:42.31 | ``Erik | hum, "reverse debugging" in the new gdb |
| 22:32.32 | Maloeran | Reverse debugging? Walking instructions backwards? |
| 22:32.37 | ``Erik | ayup |
| 22:32.48 | Maloeran | That would require an awful lot of memory, and be very slow |
| 22:33.48 | Maloeran | I guess that works to walk a couple instructions back, but you could never get very far anyway. You can't undo system calls and such |
| 22:33.51 | ``Erik | um, there's some lib that does it in a not totally sucky way (mebbe it saves state delta on nondeterministic ops) |
| 22:35.36 | ``Erik | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=868769 |
| 22:35.44 | Maloeran | gnome-terminal is pretty bad as a terminal. You flood it on stdout and it freezes or dies |
| 22:36.12 | ``Erik | yeah, it does checkpointing |
| 22:36.17 | Maloeran | Multi-inferior? What is that? |
| 22:36.43 | ``Erik | gnome-terminal and kterm are ass, xterm is ok, rxvt-devel was what I really used before hopping over to mac |
| 22:37.08 | ``Erik | "multi-inferior" sounds like some damn emacs weenie was allowed in the club, I d'no O.o :D |
| 22:37.41 | Maloeran | Yes, I'm always using rxvt. I put Ubuntu on the laptop and I sometimes use gnome-terminal for some reason, but it's pretty bad |
| 22:38.56 | ``Erik | screen eliminates all the pro's that gnome-terminal and kterm have for anyone who can operate a basic text editor... :) |
| 22:39.25 | ``Erik | and if you can't figure out "pico" or "nano", you don't belong opening a terminal emulator :D |
| 22:40.35 | ``Erik | http://dmtcp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:40.37 | Maloeran | This is quite bad when doing printf() debugging, and the terminal freezes or dies. When it freezes, it also freezes the program trying to write on the stdout pipe |
| 22:41.05 | Maloeran | And when it dies... You lose all programs launching from that terminal, that's just lovely |
| 22:41.10 | Maloeran | launched* |
| 22:41.36 | ``Erik | I don't remember the app crashing, but I do remember getting annoyed that the kernel compiles on linux took much longer on my 120mhz machine... |
| 22:42.27 | Maloeran | And it's slow, yes. Now imagine the terminal freezing or dying meaning the compilation stops trying to write on stdout |
| 22:42.46 | Maloeran | punches gnome-terminal some more |
| 22:46.04 | ``Erik | rxvt and be happy O.o |
| 22:47.03 | Maloeran | I know, I'm just amazed that some mainstream and common software can be so buggy, and it's just a terminal |
| 22:47.40 | ``Erik | probably one of those "good enough for the plebes, but all the REAL power-users know better" |
| 22:47.43 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 22:50.00 | ``Erik | (though having written a color terminal emulator using a gtk+ text widget before, it's trivial to make it sorta work and a real pain to make it fast) |
| 22:51.02 | Maloeran | Seems rather easy to make it fast... but I wouldn't use gtk+ for the rendering, I would play with X directly |
| 22:51.40 | ``Erik | scanning and handling control codes was the big stinker on mine, I think |
| 22:52.11 | Maloeran | Yes, that part sounds rather messy |
| 22:52.33 | ``Erik | and looking at my code, I've learned quite a few tricks in the last decade heh |
| 22:52.49 | Maloeran | Oh, you too? :) |
| 22:53.05 | Maloeran | Sometimes I'm almost glad I lost most of my >5 years old code |
| 22:53.57 | ``Erik | <-- has learned quite a coding few tricks in the last 26 years, intends to learn quite a few more coding tricks in the next 26 :) |
| 22:54.19 | Maloeran | Even updating the old Rayforce just a month ago... I rewrote all the multithreading, threw away a bunch of pthreads stuff to use x86/amd64 atomic instructions |
| 22:54.30 | Maloeran | Eheh |
| 22:54.50 | ``Erik | heh, I found a simd library for sbcl last week O.O |
| 22:55.12 | louipc | haha I'm a power user for using rxvt? |
| 22:55.13 | Maloeran | Pthreads still annoy me on many aspects, I'm so tempted to just use clone(), futex() and my atomic instructions |
| 22:55.17 | ``Erik | <-- grouses some more that rayforce isn't in BRL-CAD |
| 22:56.30 | Maloeran | The wake up process of pthreads, for threads blocked on condition variables doesn't allow any decent prioritization mechanism |
| 22:56.44 | ``Erik | louipc: more that a "power-user" wouldn't use gnome-terminal... |
| 22:56.46 | Maloeran | And the underlying futex() stuff is so much more flexible |
| 22:56.57 | ``Erik | upside down A's and backwards E's, man |
| 22:57.32 | ``Erik | mal: that's great until you want it to work on something other than linux, or the linux internals change (again) |
| 22:58.21 | Maloeran | You can't define scheduling priorities for different threads with pthreads, seriously how retarded is that? |
| 22:58.21 | ``Erik | the solaris libthread.so package was effin' INSANELY awesome, but coding to it means you don't leave solaris and hope they don't jerk the rug out from under you... |
| 22:58.52 | Maloeran | Mmhm :), I never played with it I'm afraid |
| 22:59.27 | Maloeran | I did some home-made threading on Linux, using the system calls, to see how flexible the underlying interface is... and that just made me more frustrated with Posix threads |
| 22:59.58 | ``Erik | the bsd thread mapping capability is awesome, too... ya get to choose if a thread is a userland thing, an OS 1:1 mapping, or an OS many:many mapping... without recompiling! :) |
| 23:00.43 | ``Erik | the linux kobj thingie was designed to do processes, then threading was bolted into it, and it was shaken around to do anything inbetween... *shrug* |
| 23:00.54 | Maloeran | Being able to wake up any thread *you* choose when signaling a condition variable or releasing a mutex, how come you can't do that with Posix threads? |
| 23:01.07 | ``Erik | when pthreads were new, the notion of threading was in its infancy and every vendor had tis own horrible attempt |
| 23:01.14 | Maloeran | Or definiting the "niceness" or scheduling priority of any thread, gez, that should be simple enough |
| 23:01.36 | ``Erik | what if the OS only supports userland threads? or doesn't have the notion of process priority? |
| 23:01.54 | Maloeran | Then disable the feature, or make it do nothing! But at least make it *possible*! |
| 23:02.06 | Maloeran | You can't have different scheduling priorities with Posix threads, you just can't |
| 23:02.06 | ``Erik | nt4 was made posix compatible, and it only had retarded round robin scheduling iirc |
| 23:02.38 | Maloeran | I don't mind if some features are not available on some platforms, but at least make them available on the platforms that do support them |
| 23:02.42 | louipc | in unix worse is better |
| 23:02.44 | louipc | that's why! |
| 23:03.38 | Maloeran | Erik, I'm seriously very close to just switch over to my own Linux-only threading stuff, with a pthread fallback for other OSes |
| 23:03.53 | ``Erik | srry, dude, their crystal ball was in the shop when pthreads were spec'd, I mean, the notion that a student could write a semi-usable *nix-like os and people would help him for shits and giggles woulda gotten you laughed out of the room |
| 23:04.23 | ``Erik | so predicting how linux does its nth generation threading... yknow.. |
| 23:05.20 | Maloeran | Erik, I'm just saying that pthreads do not expose a bunch of very fundamental features for threading. I know some OSes may not support them |
| 23:05.40 | ``Erik | yeah, I hear ya, dude... I'm saying that pthreads predates those fundamental features :D |
| 23:06.02 | Maloeran | Well if they aren't going to update the library, then we need something new |
| 23:06.20 | louipc | yep |
| 23:06.29 | Maloeran | I think I'll just switch over to my Linux threading stuff, with a pthread fallback |
| 23:08.10 | ``Erik | would rather have cpu affinity control than priority control for threads *shrug* :) |
| 23:08.14 | Maloeran | How could not imagine that someone may want to define different scheduling priorities for different threads. No, they had to enforce that *all* threads *MUST* share the same scheduling priority. Why? Why?... |
| 23:08.33 | ``Erik | hm |
| 23:08.44 | ``Erik | what if I renice a multithreaded program to 20 |
| 23:08.45 | Maloeran | There's cpu affinity stuff, although it's a different library |
| 23:09.04 | Maloeran | All the threads share the same niceness, says the specification |
| 23:09.05 | ``Erik | and I really fucking mean make every thread go to 20, I don't want the program to decide if it's going to listen |
| 23:09.08 | ``Erik | ? |
| 23:09.20 | ``Erik | ok, so posix does that for me, what about futex? |
| 23:09.26 | Maloeran | What if the program has some low priority and high priority threads? |
| 23:09.55 | louipc | well there should be a signal for it, non? |
| 23:10.08 | Maloeran | futex() is the kernel-level thing for mutexes and condition variables, but if you write your own threading stuff, you can define the scheduling of threads any way you want it |
| 23:10.14 | ``Erik | sleep(0); forces a yield, essentually giving you a low priority thread (in a semi-cooperative fashion) |
| 23:10.38 | ``Erik | um |
| 23:10.49 | ``Erik | I have a book somewhere that talks about the low level threading crap |
| 23:10.50 | Maloeran | What if you have a bunch of threads and you wake to wake up a specific one, which must run right *now*? |
| 23:10.52 | ``Erik | wonder where I put it |
| 23:11.11 | Maloeran | Signaling it and sleep(0) may or may not make it actually run |
| 23:11.22 | ``Erik | mal: then your program is written really poorly :D *duck* |
| 23:11.23 | louipc | sounds like fun problems |
| 23:11.42 | Maloeran | Erik, that's a very common case of feeder/consumer threads |
| 23:12.47 | ``Erik | doesn't remember needing to wake it up "right now" doing those things, putting them back into the run queue was sufficient O.o |
| 23:13.50 | Maloeran | Typical example : on a 8 cores machine, with 8 consumer threads, you predict the threads will begin to starve soon and the feeder thread must absolutely run very soon |
| 23:14.12 | ``Erik | "add job; inc jobs available;" | "Icanhasawurkunit? tkae; dec jobs avail" |
| 23:14.20 | Maloeran | And posix threads just won't you do that, you can merely try to wake it up and sleep() a few threads in the hope that it will get to run |
| 23:14.29 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:14.37 | Maloeran | won't let* you do that |
| 23:15.00 | ``Erik | 8 threads/procs on 8 cores tends to cause OTHER ugly problems, like resource lockstepping |
| 23:15.27 | ``Erik | <-- likes to do 2n-1 for things that touch single interface resources like disk drives |
| 23:15.47 | Maloeran | That thread prioritization problem should not exist, because it doesn't exist when you use a decent low-level threading interface ( like futex() ) |
| 23:16.22 | ``Erik | <-- more apt to think that the problem doesn't... actually... exist... :D *duck* |
| 23:16.43 | Maloeran | Especially since kernels sometimes try to keep the same threads on the same core, and the kernel may have decided that your very important feeder thread must run on core 5, so it's just not going to wake up for a while |
| 23:16.48 | Maloeran | And threads end up starving |
| 23:18.01 | Maloeran | I don't know, it's a matter of flexibility and control... and pthreads don't give you much in both areas |
| 23:18.50 | ``Erik | *shrug* I've never had issue cooking all 8 cores (or 256) until something using an ugly slow resource (disks, network, etc) come into play |
| 23:19.51 | ``Erik | take, for example, BRL-CAD's rt, it can smoke up 1024 cpu's n/p even writing to disk if it buffers right, but it uses maybe one worth in mged due to network silliness with giantlock and shtuff |
| 23:21.07 | Maloeran | Sure sure, but I'm not tempted to assume the design is optimal, in comparison to what could be achieved with more control and flexibility |
| 23:22.26 | ``Erik | I d'no, dude, I have a feeling that you might be wayyyy down the path of diminishing returns |
| 23:23.01 | Maloeran | For one thing, atomic instructions instead of mutexes or spin locks make a huge difference |
| 23:23.20 | Maloeran | ( Okay, it's not portable, but when you got them... ) |
| 23:23.22 | ``Erik | yeah, I can see that one easily |
| 23:23.37 | ``Erik | far less cycles and eliminates branches |
| 23:24.10 | ``Erik | but inventing a threading system to keep a producer hot? O.o |
| 23:24.11 | Maloeran | More than that, you avoid the constant read and write to shared memory lines |
| 23:24.49 | Maloeran | It's not just for that, I was pointing out one example but pthreads are limited on many aspects |
| 23:25.09 | ``Erik | sure, but how much do those aspects really matter? :D just throwin' it out there |
| 23:25.43 | Maloeran | Meh :), you add them all up and I think it matters |
| 23:26.13 | ``Erik | I'd be curious as to your post mortem analysis :) |
| 23:26.19 | Maloeran | Atomic instructions, thread scheduling from mutexes or condition variables, CPU affinity, per-thread niceness/priority, etc. |
| 23:28.34 | Maloeran | The feeder thing actually was a problem in Rayforce when rendering something simple, it goes up to 100-500 frames per second and the kernel too often tries to maintain the "feeder" thread on the same CPU core instead of waking it up right now when needed |
| 23:28.39 | ``Erik | pthread_attr_setschedparam() ? |
| 23:28.50 | Maloeran | So unless you buffer up a lot of work ahead, I mean several frames, threads can starve |
| 23:29.13 | Maloeran | Keep on reading to see if you can actually do anything with that |
| 23:29.47 | Maloeran | You can set FIFO or round-robbing scheduling, but you can't define a thread priority for normal thread scheduling |
| 23:31.08 | ``Erik | that's not what the man page says O>o |
| 23:32.52 | Maloeran | You should try it out, to have a nice surprise on sched_priority... It requires root to be modified! |
| 23:33.50 | Maloeran | And it doesn't work for SCHED_OTHER, which is the normal out-of-order threading |
| 23:34.01 | ``Erik | sounds like you attempted to increase the priority... that's against the fundamental security model, only root can increase priority, users can only reduce priority (increase nice) |
| 23:34.45 | Maloeran | Niceness is shared by all Posix threads |
| 23:35.02 | Maloeran | And sched_priority has no effect for SCHED_OTHER scheduling |
| 23:35.44 | Maloeran | ( While SCHED_RR and such requires root ) |
| 23:40.36 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 23:42.33 | Maloeran | Anyway... as you said, it was designed too long ago, and it needs an urgent update or rewrite |
| 23:43.18 | ``Erik | (I'd find it amusing if you end up re-inventing fork() ) |
| 23:44.29 | Maloeran | It's not quite fork(), threads use the clone() system call, so does fork() of course |
| 23:44.35 | louipc | that would be cool |
| 23:44.45 | Maloeran | clone() is a very flexible little system call |
| 23:45.15 | louipc | I heard it was stolen from plan9 or something |
| 00:03.47 | starseeker | ``Erik: simd in sbcl? |
| 00:03.57 | ``Erik | ja |
| 00:04.04 | ``Erik | http://common-lisp.net/project/sb-simd/ |
| 00:04.48 | starseeker | ooo |
| 00:05.13 | starseeker | quick - fast nurbs raytracing in sbcl with simd! :-P |
| 00:05.33 | ``Erik | hop to it! |
| 00:05.48 | starseeker | step one - re-implement openNURBS in lisp |
| 00:05.54 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:05.56 | starseeker | step two - die of old age :-( |
| 00:06.14 | ``Erik | isn't sure opennurbs would be worth trying to reimplement |
| 00:06.21 | starseeker | could live to 500 and still not write all the software he wants to... |
| 00:07.16 | Maloeran | I don't think you would need opennurbs for that... fortuantely |
| 00:07.19 | Maloeran | fortunately, too |
| 00:08.08 | starseeker | Maloeran: you need some fairly hairy nurbs data structures and solving routines |
| 00:08.39 | starseeker | we would need at least some of those in Lisp to do it right, although perhaps not all of it for a minimalistic nurbs raytracer only |
| 00:09.01 | Maloeran | But does OpenNURBS contain optimized stuff for raytracing? All that stuff probably doesn't reside in the library... |
| 00:09.33 | louipc | starseeker: do you want to write it, or do you just want someone to write it? hehe |
| 00:09.42 | louipc | or.. it to be written |
| 00:10.01 | starseeker | louipc: Nah, more of a joke - that's been the main interest I've had in SIMD lately |
| 00:10.08 | ``Erik | wonders how opennurbs compares to twingy's old nurbana stuff, didja look at the blender source? |
| 00:10.31 | starseeker | lisp is where I want to build the foundations for a category theory based mathematical solving system |
| 00:10.34 | louipc | starseeker: hehe I understand |
| 00:12.03 | starseeker | ``Erik: last I heard, they still didn't have nurbana working fully |
| 00:12.10 | starseeker | did something change? |
| 00:12.41 | ``Erik | I d'no, I thought it was complete |
| 00:15.31 | ``Erik | huh, looks like they're still working on integrating it? (no date on this fundraising page thingy) |
| 00:15.42 | starseeker | yeah, I think they kinda stalled... |
| 00:16.50 | starseeker | haven't see anything new this year |
| 00:16.58 | starseeker | haven't been watching commits though |
| 00:17.31 | starseeker | ah: http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2009-May/023435.html |
| 00:18.32 | starseeker | 'course, they'll be way ahead of us on editing |
| 00:21.40 | starseeker | helps to have the modern gui already in place :-P |
| 00:42.15 | ``Erik | O.O http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1922690 |
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| 01:29.54 | brlcad | puddingpimp: great name :) |
| 01:31.18 | ``Erik | $240 worth? |
| 01:43.42 | puddingpimp | huh? thanks |
| 01:50.01 | ``Erik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpuUemDBz-8 pimpin' :D |
| 01:50.49 | ``Erik | (was a good show) |
| 02:26.40 | puddingpimp | NICE |
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| 11:26.45 | ``Erik | 5 more minutes O.o |
| 12:29.05 | puddingpimp | until? |
| 12:29.43 | brlcad | till puddin' time |
| 12:30.02 | ``Erik | LCROSS impact |
| 12:30.39 | ``Erik | was a bit anticlimatic, but there're still a few hours before all the data is in, then it has to be gawked at for a few months before being released O.o |
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| 19:44.16 | ``Erik | nice, how to prove who is your best friend: put your dog and your spouse in the trunk of a car for an hour. Open the trunk. See which one is happy to see you. |
| 19:45.03 | brlcad | haha |
| 19:45.29 | brlcad | that's awesome, sounds like a line right out of family guy |
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| 19:51.06 | ``Erik | http://jbo-bizarrestuff.blogspot.com/2009/06/science-will-prove-it-every-time.html |
| 20:37.48 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36180 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-ogl.c: |
| 20:37.48 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: OK, this should have occurred to me earlier. Since we CAN successfully |
| 20:37.48 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: MakeCurrent AFTER the window is mapped, simply move the Tk_MapWindow command |
| 20:37.48 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: BEFORE the MakeCurrent and re-enable all the goodies. Still not entirely clear |
| 20:37.49 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: WHY this is important, but attach ogl now succeeds. |
| 20:37.53 | starseeker | kicks self up and down the hallway for stupidity |
| 20:38.41 | starseeker | even stranger, /dev/ogl raytracing is suddenly behaving perfectly |
| 20:38.50 | starseeker | maybe that's just a local thing |
| 20:39.28 | starseeker | can anyone else confirm? |
| 20:49.30 | starseeker | still wants to try dm-togl as a warmup/exercise, but knows he can't toss togl in just for the heck of it. Hmm - maybe a branch? |
| 20:50.58 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36181 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Do the same thing for rtgl - move TK_MapWindow |
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| 21:02.20 | starseeker | ok, /dev/ogl raytrace is still slow on Linux for me |
| 21:23.59 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36182 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: update NEWS - fix 'attach ogl' on OSX |
| 21:24.26 | starseeker | :q |
| 21:24.30 | starseeker | whoops |
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| 23:07.31 | Maloeran | Ah, nice blog Erik... :) |
| 23:09.14 | Maloeran | Woah, golf has been included in the Olympics. Perhaps they'll include acrobastic skydiving and sailing around the world next |
| 23:28.30 | ``Erik | they should merge with braufest. |
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| 01:10.14 | brlcad | starseeker: heh, so moving mapping up did work .. figured it might |
| 01:10.24 | brlcad | stupid bug |
| 01:10.57 | brlcad | I'd chaulk that one up to "a work-around" for an Xorg X11 initialization bug |
| 01:11.35 | brlcad | either that or it's also a bug in tk8.5's ordering of X initialization, but less likely |
| 01:13.02 | brlcad | starseeker: branch would be perfect for togl testing |
| 01:13.28 | brlcad | the new tk-dm would be a good starting point even as it sets up a tk window and uses a tk canvas for drawing |
| 02:40.17 | ``Erik | hm, *logs into corporate email sersver and does a s/Regards/Retards/ to see what happens* |
| 02:49.02 | Maloeran | Ahah |
| 02:49.09 | Maloeran | :) That actually made me laugh |
| 03:49.41 | Ralith | hehe |
| 03:49.46 | Ralith | saw that one on reddit. |
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| 18:25.54 | ``Erik | heh, pigs defeating rfid, that's awesome |
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| 21:14.03 | ``Erik | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/09/c-graffiti.html |
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| 23:21.16 | ``Erik | nice http://6.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/7/3/collegehumor.40221387358731fdf25c18632d84ef2d.jpg |
| 00:23.10 | ``Erik | hah, googlebomb O.o "what a" in the google search box and see what the dropdown comes up with :D |
| 00:23.21 | ``Erik | "what ar", srry |
| 00:30.34 | ``Erik | damnit |
| 00:52.15 | brlcad | heh, strawberries |
| 00:54.58 | ``Erik | (seems it was a book a while back) |
| 00:56.10 | brlcad | the top hit is the most important one regardless |
| 02:12.22 | Ralith | ``Erik: ahahaha |
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| 15:31.18 | ``Erik | should hire a damn maid |
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| 18:16.53 | ``Erik | I'm so badass, when I clean the kitchen, it involves dicking with the circuit breaker and busting out the shopvac O.O |
| 18:45.26 | ``Erik | wow, my neighbor has a brilliant dog. It's barking at it's own echo. |
| 18:48.43 | _sushi_ | I a gree. |
| 18:49.12 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: from the frequency of the barks you can calculate how far the reflective object is :) |
| 18:49.24 | _sushi_ | it's like a radar |
| 18:53.28 | ``Erik | yes, you can |
| 18:53.38 | ``Erik | but since it keeps doing it, I'm using it to calculate the stupid of the dog. |
| 18:53.39 | ``Erik | it's high. |
| 18:53.40 | ``Erik | :D |
| 18:54.05 | ``Erik | (I know exactly what it's reflecting off of, the 3 story building across the way) |
| 19:17.00 | _sushi_ | ``Erik: stupidity=1/IQ ? |
| 19:23.19 | Maloeran | That doesn't turn out to be a very convenient scale, perhaps 10000.0/IQ, to keep the 100.0 median? |
| 19:34.47 | ``Erik | not sure what the exact formula is, but that dog has it :) |
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| 18:44.39 | ``Erik | ah |
| 20:08.08 | starseeker | yay! |
| 20:08.14 | starseeker | has internet back again |
| 20:08.17 | starseeker | (finally) |
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| 23:52.40 | ``Erik | "she told me we couldn't afford beer anymore and that I would have to quit. Then I caught her spending $65 on makeup. I asked her why I had to give up stuff and she didn't. She said she needed the makeup to look pretty for me. I told her that's what the beer is for. I don't think she's coming back." |
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| 00:05.46 | Ralith | heh |
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| 04:04.33 | starseeker | is fried, but the cedar closet is (essentially) done |
| 04:05.22 | starseeker | and the gentoo box goes through (yet another) tramatic update, successfully. |
| 04:05.36 | starseeker | There seem to be a lot of backwards incompatible changes lately |
| 04:05.46 | starseeker | probably for the best, but eeek |
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| 07:46.03 | Ralith | starseeker: this is why I stopped using gentoo. |
| 07:46.31 | Ralith | "okay, routine system upâOH GOD WHERE'S MY X" |
| 09:27.22 | Maloeran | Pretty much. With Gentoo, it's best to upgrade only what you strictly need... and hope for the best |
| 11:06.17 | d-lo | mernin! |
| 11:06.51 | archivist | with gentoo upgrade to a sane distro asap |
| 11:11.28 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 11:12.22 | ``Erik | is glad he uses fbsd, updates are neither traumatic nor unsafe O.O |
| 11:13.40 | ``Erik | there was this one time, in band camp, when I did a massive upgrade on an ancient system and it was a bastard stopgap patch (still is), so several ports failed, but portmanager gives you pre-upgrade pkg's, so it was trivial to undo the mucked up parts of the upgrade... definitely a corner case situation, though :D |
| 11:14.21 | ``Erik | (I mean, seriously, who in their right mind would still be running 5.2.1? it was so... screwed up that they changed their numbering system just for that one release) |
| 11:15.43 | archivist | my old debian screwed up on an update, about 5 years ago, its still up though |
| 11:16.58 | ``Erik | :D stable or testing? |
| 11:17.24 | ``Erik | I had some interesting experiences with unstable, and stable was just too out of date, I used testing for a lot of my debian boxes back in the day |
| 11:18.10 | archivist | cant remember but uname responds with 2.4.27-2-686-smp #1 SMP Mon May 16 16:55:31 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:18.39 | ``Erik | should be an /etc/debian file |
| 11:18.43 | ``Erik | iirc |
| 11:19.00 | ``Erik | or look at your apt config file :) |
| 11:19.21 | archivist | 3.1 |
| 11:19.56 | ``Erik | according to this chart, it's "sarge" |
| 11:20.21 | ``Erik | 6 june 2005, support ended april 2008 |
| 11:22.22 | archivist | these old boxes run and run |
| 11:23.05 | archivist | it is on its last month or so |
| 11:29.16 | archivist | this job has ended and I have to move the servers home |
| 12:01.29 | Yoshi47 | 45812:11 mged |
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| 12:27.59 | ``Erik | put a bullet in its head, yoshi, it probably put itself in an infinite loop (or went into the "it'll finish.. in a few thousand years" mode) |
| 12:44.43 | brlcad | blames the ISP |
| 12:51.29 | ``Erik | eh? |
| 12:51.47 | ``Erik | (looks like everyone using bz got peered) |
| 12:53.32 | _clock_ | who has worked on PDP-1? |
| 13:21.17 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36183 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/AttrGroupsDisplayUtility.tcl: Added methods for reading/writing attribute groups and mappings. Added a method to export to png. |
| 13:42.30 | brlcad | ``Erik: bz rebooted unexpectedly |
| 13:45.28 | brlcad | _clock_: pdp wasn't interesting until pdp-8, and even then pdp-11 was where it was at |
| 13:48.02 | Yoshi47 | ``Erik, do i have too? can't i wait till my pc turns off or restarts? lol |
| 13:51.35 | brlcad | :) |
| 13:51.40 | ``Erik | pdp7 had some niftiness iirc |
| 13:51.43 | Maloeran | 45812 minutes? Isn't that like... a month? |
| 13:51.59 | ``Erik | (wasn't the pdp8 just a souped up 7? or was that the big abi break?) |
| 13:52.03 | Yoshi47 | yep |
| 13:52.20 | ``Erik | lisp on a pdp1 was awesome, simh ftw |
| 13:52.29 | Maloeran | A month. You are being optimistic, I see... :) |
| 13:53.06 | Yoshi47 | nope just don't have time to work on it anyways |
| 13:53.18 | Yoshi47 | so just like to see it will finish or not |
| 13:53.53 | ``Erik | if it doesn't finish in a day or two, it probably won't finish in your lifetime :( |
| 13:53.56 | Maloeran | I guess it's only using 100% of one CPU core, so it isn't that bad |
| 13:54.02 | Yoshi47 | yep |
| 13:54.34 | Yoshi47 | ok well when i need my other core or the power goes out or some idiot comes by and does something then iguess that will be the end |
| 13:54.59 | brlcad | it's an O(n^3) algorithm .. and that's a pretty big 'n' it's crunching on |
| 13:55.00 | Maloeran | wonders if there are ways to randomly query the EIP of a running program, to have a clue what it's doing |
| 13:55.20 | brlcad | so it will probably finish .. just unclear if it's days/weeks/months/years |
| 13:55.53 | ``Erik | millenia |
| 13:55.58 | brlcad | (and single-cpu, so it's not exactly burning the midnight oil) |
| 13:57.11 | ``Erik | let's see, we're in the cenozoic era, what comes next? :D |
| 14:26.13 | brlcad | the "flying spaghetti monster hath forsaken us" era |
| 14:34.43 | ``Erik | well |
| 14:34.51 | ``Erik | that's the biblical name, the age of truth |
| 14:34.55 | ``Erik | :) |
| 14:49.09 | ``Erik | hey, uh, starseeker? |
| 14:49.49 | ``Erik | y'know that old mkVIII or whatever you were putzing with? was survice involved in that? |
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| 15:41.45 | starseeker | mutter... dead terminal... |
| 15:43.57 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36185 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl-branch/: Create branch to have a place to experiment with togl |
| 15:57.53 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:58.06 | ``Erik | starseeker, was survice involved in anything related to the mk8? |
| 16:00.19 | starseeker | ``Erik: I don't believe so |
| 16:00.23 | ``Erik | huh |
| 16:00.31 | starseeker | the mk iv yess |
| 16:00.36 | ``Erik | ahhh |
| 16:01.01 | ``Erik | one of the old ww1 tanks is on their homepage ticker, in what looks like a point datacloud |
| 16:01.04 | ``Erik | was curious seeing that |
| 16:01.13 | ``Erik | (also saw an old rayfarce screenie there) |
| 16:01.36 | starseeker | oh, the gold one - yes that's a Mark IV |
| 16:01.44 | starseeker | point cloud |
| 16:06.10 | ``Erik | ah, 'k |
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| 16:06.31 | starseeker | or actually, that's probaby the mesh created from the point cloud... |
| 16:06.41 | ``Erik | yeh, all their stuff tries to build meshe |
| 16:06.43 | ``Erik | meshes |
| 16:06.51 | ``Erik | simple local hulling I think |
| 16:07.11 | ``Erik | fun toys over in the warehouse, though |
| 16:07.28 | ``Erik | <-- got a tour just after their mini-range went live |
| 16:10.48 | ``Erik | oh fucking son of a fucking bitch |
| 16:11.01 | ``Erik | forgot about osX's case idioticity with the fs |
| 16:44.45 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36186 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl-branch/ (55 files in 6 dirs): First code working toward togl integration into BRL-CAD build. |
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| 17:27.02 | brlcad | hello parigaudi |
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| 17:29.03 | brlcad | you all shouldn't talk about Ralith like that when he's not here |
| 17:29.07 | brlcad | oh hi Ralith |
| 17:53.54 | brlcad | ~16*140 |
| 17:53.55 | ibot | 2240 |
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| 18:47.44 | ``Erik | cally speaking |
| 18:52.28 | Ralith | I hear you guys bin talkin bout me behind my back >:| |
| 19:01.34 | ``Erik | well |
| 19:01.49 | ``Erik | if you weren't spending all your time off in the distance buried in a sheep... |
| 19:14.25 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36187 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl-branch/src/other/togl/Makefile.in: Let's see if this makes togl build out of dir... |
| 19:23.47 | starseeker | ah, good |
| 19:34.33 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, just to organize my thinking - the goal is for there to be no direct access to ged struct components in the ged code, correct? |
| 19:41.42 | starseeker | and in this vein, the struct bu_vls ged_result_str currently in struct ged should be replaced with something that supports an API of the form GED_APPEND_RESULT(struct bu_vls) and GED_NEXT_RESULT(struct ged_results)? (probably a bu_list, but that should be hidden as an implementation detail?) |
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| 21:03.19 | brlcad | starseeker: yes, unequivocally |
| 21:03.50 | brlcad | "struct ged" is a black box, only accessed through api routines/macros |
| 21:04.27 | brlcad | GED_NEXT_RESULT doesn't make much sense |
| 21:04.34 | brlcad | you can just keep appending results |
| 21:05.12 | brlcad | or is that for accessing results? |
| 21:06.50 | brlcad | would avoid introducing new structures as that defeats much of the goal of making the API as simple as possible |
| 21:08.23 | brlcad | typedef'd enums are probably okay if there are lists of types/codes, but not containers outside of something simple like a bu_list, or an iterator accessor pattern where you provide a callback that is called per item ala db_walk_tree() |
| 21:57.00 | ``Erik | struct GED_HERE_BE_DRAGONS |
| 21:59.09 | ``Erik | (once you truely understand it, I will apogogize to your gf.) |
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| 22:28.20 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, APPEND to add results and NEXT to iterate over the list/array of results |
| 22:31.08 | starseeker | but those were just made up on the spur of the moment |
| 22:31.59 | starseeker | doesn't want to dive into rewiring libged and then find out he did it the wrong way... |
| 22:36.08 | starseeker | is liking bu_lists of bu_vls full pathnames for results, but I must confess a pro/con analysis of that vs. iterator/accessor is probably in order... |
| 22:36.37 | starseeker | also, where do you envision enums being helpful? (I'm not implying they're not - I'm sure they are - but I'm not following) |
| 23:33.55 | Maloeran | Gez. So which one of you designed that thing? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8302903.stm |
| 23:33.59 | Maloeran | :) |
| 00:00.40 | starseeker | can't wait for the animal rights guys to hop onto this one... |
| 00:04.15 | puddingpimp | I wonder if animal rights guys give two shits about insects |
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| 01:39.34 | louipc | probably but it's low on the priority list |
| 01:47.52 | puddingpimp | I mean, I've never heard of the SPCA bringing suit against anyone for burning ants for example |
| 01:49.27 | louipc | vegans don't eat honey because it's cruel to the bees though. |
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| 02:47.22 | brlcad | starseeker: the api could certainly provide both -- an iterator that returns strings that were appended and a visitor callback |
| 02:48.17 | brlcad | returning a raw bu_list of bu_vls isn't exactly ideal as it does beg for some sort of container struct to make a list out of |
| 02:48.28 | brlcad | under the hood, sure, just not exposed via API |
| 02:48.35 | brlcad | visitor and/or iterator ftw |
| 02:49.48 | brlcad | i ran across several instances where it looked like there should be a typedef'd enum .. almost any time you have a "set" of #defines that logically group together, that generally begs for it |
| 02:51.29 | brlcad | e.g. the ged func return codes, the edit "modes" (which are questionably part of public api), action codes on various calls (like quiet/noisy lookups, soft/hard errors, verbosity levels, etc) |
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| 04:36.20 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, I figured raw bu_list/bu_vls wasn't ideal, but you had mentioned wanting to avoid introducing new structures |
| 05:04.55 | starseeker | glares at togl |
| 05:07.00 | starseeker | hmm, I like this quote: "Questions about whether design is necessary or affordable are quite beside the |
| 05:07.03 | starseeker | point: design is inevitable. The alternative to good design is bad design, not |
| 05:07.05 | starseeker | no design at all." |
| 05:12.25 | starseeker | or better yet: If you can't afford to do something right, then be darn sure you can afford to do it wrong. |
| 08:54.53 | brlcad | to return a bu_list/bu_vls would involve a new structure |
| 08:55.11 | brlcad | can do that under the hood, just not the api |
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| 11:10.01 | brlcad | that's why you either provide a visitor pattern (where the visitor func merely iterates over the bu_list and calls the callback) ... or you implement an iterator like strsep() or BU_LIST_NEXT() |
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| 12:59.32 | d-lo | mernin all |
| 13:13.46 | ``Erik | yargh |
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| 14:00.13 | d-lo | whats new ``Erik |
| 14:00.15 | d-lo | ? |
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| 15:48.13 | starseeker | wonders what GED_VMIN is for, and why it's defined as -2048... |
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| 16:02.24 | brlcad | starseeker: OOOOld baggage |
| 16:02.45 | brlcad | mged's display managers have a vector space mapping of -2048 to +2047 |
| 16:03.07 | starseeker | ah |
| 16:03.37 | starseeker | wonders if that should be mentioned in the comments around those defines... |
| 16:03.39 | brlcad | used for things like plotting, object selections, etc |
| 16:03.52 | brlcad | it's assumed in LOTS of places |
| 16:04.00 | brlcad | really bad |
| 16:04.07 | starseeker | eeek |
| 16:04.57 | brlcad | just search on 2048 in src/libdm and src/mged .. those should all be dynamic but aren't |
| 16:05.49 | brlcad | GED_VMIN probably just shouldn't even exist |
| 16:05.55 | brlcad | I see no reason for that to be public api |
| 16:06.18 | brlcad | a lot that is in ged.h doesn't belong there, belongs in private implementation header |
| 16:07.51 | Maloeran | Gah, that sounds very bad, a hard-coded limit assumed everywhere in the code? |
| 16:08.14 | Maloeran | Although I'm not entirely sure what that "vector space mapping" is used for |
| 16:08.57 | brlcad | it's not a core piece of code, it's for plotting the wireframes and conversion to plot/postscript formats |
| 16:09.34 | Maloeran | Ah I see. That really should have been made more flexible... |
| 16:09.35 | brlcad | they're integer indexed formats, so it bounds the range as 4k x 4k |
| 16:10.17 | starseeker | winces - plotting the wireframes is currently how we view all the models... |
| 16:10.40 | starseeker | maybe not core but still... |
| 16:10.53 | brlcad | starseeker: it's more a code maintenance problem when 4k x 4k displays become common |
| 16:11.06 | brlcad | have to weed out those instances |
| 16:11.12 | starseeker | nods |
| 16:11.24 | starseeker | would looove to see pixel densities get that high :-) |
| 16:11.25 | brlcad | i mean it's not like it's "everywhere", just in a couple dozen places |
| 16:12.58 | brlcad | rewriting it all to be dynamic wouldn't be too difficult, it just shouldn't be compile-time limited (or if it must, might as well use max-representation) |
| 16:28.10 | starseeker | brlcad: does view_obj make sense in libged? |
| 16:28.46 | brlcad | yay, svn checkout on solaris |
| 16:28.51 | brlcad | starseeker: nope |
| 16:29.14 | starseeker | cool, solaris build here we come :-) |
| 16:29.16 | brlcad | none of the old "objects" should remain, too wired to tcl |
| 16:29.30 | brlcad | dm_obj, dg_obj, view_obj |
| 16:29.52 | brlcad | er, wdb_obj, not dm_obj |
| 16:30.15 | brlcad | they were part of the "move it to get it done, i'll fix it later" claim.. |
| 16:30.37 | starseeker | actually, I don't think his struct view_obj in libged references tcl - I was just thinking since it seems to manage GUI view state rather than geometry as such, it might make more sense elsewhere... |
| 16:31.33 | brlcad | the struct might not, but all of the vo_* callbacks do |
| 16:32.41 | brlcad | view_obj.c should get broken up into 37 command files |
| 16:32.45 | brlcad | (at a glance) |
| 16:33.40 | starseeker | checks... oooo, yeah you're right |
| 16:33.42 | starseeker | Tcl everywhere |
| 16:33.57 | brlcad | by definition :) |
| 16:34.01 | brlcad | the "obj" is a Tcl object |
| 16:34.42 | starseeker | yech |
| 16:34.53 | starseeker | that'll be fun |
| 16:34.59 | brlcad | in theory, it becomes a "view" parent command (view aet, view rot, etc) but still needs tcl decoupled |
| 16:35.52 | brlcad | you can tell just from an ls that the obj commands comprise about 150 commands that need to be refactored |
| 16:35.54 | starseeker | still want individual files for the "subcommands"? |
| 16:36.34 | brlcad | depends how complicated, but in the general case of "view", yes |
| 16:37.06 | brlcad | that separation goes *way* back, about 15 years iirc |
| 16:37.59 | brlcad | to group commands based on whether they modify the 3d view, modify geometry, or modify the display |
| 16:38.29 | brlcad | problem is most commands modify multiples/all of those, or at least they could |
| 16:39.24 | brlcad | I'd rather see an aet.c that is utilized by a parent view.c, have that aet.c specify (via libged private actions/flags) that the view/geometry/display is modified |
| 16:39.27 | starseeker | mm. So prefixing with a parent command would allow us to remove the ambiguity, at the expense of more verbose commands? |
| 16:39.58 | brlcad | prefixing with a parent? |
| 16:40.14 | starseeker | "view ae" as opposed to "ae" |
| 16:40.17 | brlcad | no different than it is now, just code organization and what has access to what data |
| 16:40.27 | brlcad | that's how it is now, you can do both |
| 16:40.54 | brlcad | though 'view aet' to be precise |
| 16:41.20 | starseeker | right, but if we're planning stateless editing of geometry, just "ae" becomes ambiguous - do you mean the current geometry, the view, ... |
| 16:41.58 | brlcad | right |
| 16:42.17 | starseeker | so do we deprecate the plain "ae" or just have it default to view? |
| 16:42.34 | brlcad | it'd either disapper (unlikely) or just default to what is most intuitive |
| 16:42.51 | starseeker | nods |
| 16:42.52 | brlcad | default to view would be my expectation in that case |
| 16:45.36 | brlcad | autoview is a good example, it's characterized as a drawable geometry (dg) object command |
| 16:45.44 | brlcad | at least a good example of how the categorization fails |
| 16:46.19 | brlcad | it only modifies the view, but can't be a view command because it needs access to the drawn geometry in order to figure out the new view size |
| 16:46.43 | brlcad | it's also one of the few already refactored iirc |
| 16:46.58 | brlcad | so it's in dg still and outside, so can compare |
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| 20:02.19 | brlcad | woot, the tcl folks reviewed our command length extender patch |
| 20:02.35 | brlcad | looks like it'll be applied with a slight mod |
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| 21:29.05 | starseeker | hmmm: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/10/02/introducing-new-port-of-qt-to-your-favourite-platform/ |
| 21:35.42 | Maloeran | Hey Erik, will you be staying at home tomorrow as well? Looks like I'll have a day off tomorrow |
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| 23:44.17 | starseeker | brlcad: continuing the "dumb questions about libged" trend, how should private and public structures be decided in terms of what goes in ged.h? In C, won't we have to have any structure used inside struct ged also be public? (In the case, say, of a hypothetical ged_result structure used in struct ged?) |
| 23:54.34 | brlcad | starseeker: there are no dumb questions, a lot of our existing maintainence issues are because people didn't ask questions |
| 23:55.22 | starseeker | heh - OK, make it "things I should probably be able to figure out for myself by this stage" :-P |
| 23:58.06 | starseeker | has come a ways with C/C++, but there's so much more to learn... |
| 23:58.41 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:59.08 | brlcad | you can spend a decade learning and still learn new things |
| 23:59.26 | brlcad | at which point you'll forget things you learned, relearn them, learn something new, repeat, etc :) |
| 23:59.40 | starseeker | hehe |
| 23:59.53 | brlcad | the structs will have to be declared, at least their type -- whether it matters if it's an incomplete type depends on use |
| 00:00.27 | brlcad | the accessors will definitely need to know the type completely, but they are by design all private |
| 00:00.50 | starseeker | they're defined with the EXPORT stuff? |
| 00:00.58 | brlcad | it's okay if the struct itself ends up being publicly declared -- you just leave a comment saying "don't access this directly" |
| 00:01.08 | brlcad | the EXPORT stuff is just windows foo |
| 00:01.19 | starseeker | ah, BU_EXTERN then? |
| 00:01.24 | brlcad | same thing |
| 00:01.38 | starseeker | raises eyebrow |
| 00:01.47 | starseeker | ah, I hadn't realized that |
| 00:01.58 | brlcad | that's just a wrapper for windows and for supporting older k&r compilers |
| 00:02.18 | brlcad | pre ansi-C, you would declare functions just by name, no arguments |
| 00:02.40 | starseeker | Oh, OK. (yech) |
| 00:02.45 | brlcad | e.g., extern void *malloc(); |
| 00:03.08 | starseeker | that must have made for some entertaining debugging |
| 00:03.58 | brlcad | having the params just gives it more things it can test for when looking for type mismatches, can abort earlier during compilation |
| 00:04.21 | brlcad | did you ever get to writing any regex code? |
| 00:04.44 | starseeker | erm. A little during the search work perhaps |
| 00:05.21 | brlcad | well if you recall, struct regex aka regex_t is a lot like how I see our struct ged |
| 00:05.33 | starseeker | OK :-) |
| 00:05.40 | starseeker | pulls up the regex header... |
| 00:05.57 | brlcad | you pass it into regcomp() and regexec() pretty much without any care in the world |
| 00:06.39 | starseeker | chuckles - looks like regex could use some enum work :-P |
| 00:09.09 | starseeker | eyes ged.h and decides to start transcribing it into a new ged.h, attempting things like enum defs and de-Tclifying as he goes, then make the C code match the header... |
| 00:09.56 | brlcad | hm, wouldn't mix de-tcling at the same time.. |
| 00:10.02 | brlcad | that can cascade changes |
| 00:10.45 | brlcad | each type/signature change is probably a good commit-state in itself |
| 00:11.13 | starseeker | ah. OK, I was pondering a branch to do the testing in |
| 00:11.58 | brlcad | fwiw, enums vs defs isn't nearly as an important issue as, say, getting rid of tcl and having clear private/public separation |
| 00:12.09 | brlcad | branch? what's risky? |
| 00:12.33 | starseeker | mucking with the headers and ged structs and proceeding to break everything using libged ;-) |
| 00:12.54 | starseeker | <insert bull in china shop metaphor here> |
| 00:13.16 | brlcad | that's not very risky -- that'll break compilation up front for most changes if you do something wrong |
| 00:13.22 | brlcad | and all the more reason to go at it incremental |
| 00:13.40 | starseeker | OK, so subtle breakage is less likely? |
| 00:13.49 | brlcad | yeah, not very |
| 00:13.59 | starseeker | right :-) |
| 00:14.40 | brlcad | yeah, I can't even think of something subtle that could happen that won't get caught during compilation so long as you're not forcing casts |
| 00:14.51 | starseeker | would LOVE to start by converting the results string to something more useful for search exec, but knows that's going to be a LOT of code to change... |
| 00:15.09 | brlcad | so focus on just that though |
| 00:15.31 | brlcad | separate the private/public so you can have a place to make the private accessor func for the resulst string |
| 00:15.48 | brlcad | update the code to use the new accessor |
| 00:16.21 | starseeker | there is a ged_private.h - is that where such things should go? |
| 00:16.34 | brlcad | update the accessor implementation to store in a list container instead of a string under the hood |
| 00:16.50 | brlcad | then add an iterator for results, all done ;) |
| 00:17.46 | brlcad | yeah, ged_private.h is a start .. could use some cleanup but it's got a lot of the existing private funcs |
| 00:18.15 | starseeker | brlcad: is there an example of a private accessor function I can use for a template? (maybe some of libbu's stuff?) |
| 00:18.25 | brlcad | there really needs to be a common naming convention to separate public from private -- they can't all be ged_* prefixed |
| 00:18.33 | starseeker | ah |
| 00:18.46 | brlcad | right now, they're all ged_ GED_ etc.. |
| 00:18.59 | starseeker | so, should ged_init (called by GED_INIT) be private? |
| 00:19.11 | starseeker | (for example) |
| 00:19.31 | brlcad | ged_open_dbip() sounds like a pretty private func |
| 00:22.47 | brlcad | not sure it's a good "example", it's more just thinking about whether a function is something an external developer would code to directly when using libged as a library, like libpng |
| 00:23.33 | brlcad | in that vein, even our "testing" macros that are used extensively in our implementation, like GED_CHECK_DATABASE_OPEN() become questionable |
| 00:23.52 | brlcad | should that be exposed? maybe, maybe not |
| 00:24.00 | starseeker | OK. Do I take it correctly that functions called in #define GED_**** macros do need to be public? |
| 00:24.33 | brlcad | inclination would be to just expose the primary command ged_*() functions for starters, then see what's actually needed/used by mged .. and if it's something that shouldn't be migrated to libged, then it's something that needs to be public |
| 00:24.44 | starseeker | Oh, so the question is whether GED_CHECK_DATABASE_OPEN would ever be needed outside of libged itself |
| 00:24.48 | brlcad | no, not necessary |
| 00:24.55 | brlcad | right |
| 00:25.29 | brlcad | no to the macros, right to whether it needs to be used outside libged :) |
| 00:25.43 | starseeker | so first step is to rename according to private convention the stuff already in ged_private, and then start migrating things to it as it appears they are used only in libged |
| 00:26.00 | brlcad | yeah, sure |
| 00:26.25 | starseeker | is the naming convention for structs as well as functions, or just functions? |
| 00:26.38 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 00:27.07 | starseeker | well, there's a struct in ged_private.h named ged_id_names - should that be _ged_id_names instead since it's private? |
| 00:27.52 | brlcad | if the convention for private names is to prefix _ged_ then sure :) |
| 00:28.03 | brlcad | should be consistent |
| 00:28.37 | starseeker | nods. Is there a de-facto standard in BRL-CAD or C generally? |
| 00:28.37 | brlcad | ged_ and GED_ are public, so if it's not public.. they obviously shouldn't use that |
| 00:28.44 | starseeker | right |
| 00:28.53 | brlcad | could be as simple as _ged_ and _GED_ if it's private, not sure if that's good enough or not without more thought |
| 00:29.12 | Ralith | that is the de-facto standard, is it not? |
| 00:29.35 | starseeker | will start there - search/replace will fix it later if need be :-P |
| 00:30.04 | starseeker | Ralith: meh - no response to the Qt-in-Ogre posting in the Ogre forums |
| 00:30.21 | starseeker | apparently we're still up with the state of the art ;-) |
| 00:31.13 | Ralith | starseeker: that's rather dissapointing. |
| 00:31.24 | Ralith | we should replace it with a real Ogre or Qt rendering backend at some point, anyway. |
| 00:31.52 | starseeker | Ralith: did you see the link I posted? Not sure if Qt embedded relates to what we need, but interesting none the lest |
| 00:31.59 | starseeker | less even |
| 00:32.12 | Ralith | don't think I did |
| 00:32.48 | starseeker | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/10/02/introducing-new-port-of-qt-to-your-favourite-platform/ |
| 00:32.51 | brlcad | underscore is as close as anything to "common convention" -- the problem is the C preprocessor and names in caps as it technically claims a set for compiler mangling iirc |
| 00:33.44 | starseeker | brlcad: erm. ~ged and ~GED ? |
| 00:35.01 | brlcad | heh, invalid |
| 00:35.09 | brlcad | go with _ged_ that should be fine |
| 00:35.27 | brlcad | matches the little bit of consistency with libbu and friends |
| 00:35.37 | starseeker | k. what about all caps - P_GED maybe? |
| 00:35.59 | brlcad | case is already conventioned |
| 00:36.34 | starseeker | ? there are all capital defines in both ged.h and ged_private.h |
| 00:36.34 | brlcad | _ged_lowercase_private_function() and _GED_PRIVATE_MACRO_OR_DEFINE |
| 00:36.39 | starseeker | Oh |
| 00:36.50 | starseeker | that won't break the preprocessor? |
| 00:37.18 | brlcad | there are some bastard hybrids from the *_obj funcs that should die, mixed underscore camelCasers.. |
| 00:37.28 | brlcad | no, it doesn't break it |
| 00:38.12 | Ralith | brlcad: the ones reserved by the C standard are __foo only, I believe |
| 00:38.35 | starseeker | starts on ged_private.h |
| 00:38.36 | brlcad | it just means that they might use the same name .. which is so highly unlikely regardless |
| 00:38.46 | Ralith | I think _foo is actually reserved, or at least recommended, for private use within programs, conveniently. |
| 00:40.40 | Ralith | starseeker: ooh: "Letâs look at the âminimalâ backend, which is a complete example showing how to use a QImage as a display device:" |
| 00:40.49 | Ralith | this could be useful. |
| 00:41.15 | Ralith | in fact this could make a real Qt-in-Ogre solution pretty easy to do |
| 00:42.20 | Ralith | needs to study up on how the relevant type of texture overlay is done in Ogre |
| 00:47.13 | brlcad | here's the relevant section, from the standard regarding names in the global namespace: "Each name that contains a double underscore __ or begins with an underscore followed by an uppercase letter (2.11) is reserved to the implementation for any use." |
| 00:47.58 | starseeker | OK, so if we end up conflicting on the caps cases we're in the wrong and need to rename |
| 00:48.16 | brlcad | basically |
| 00:49.27 | brlcad | given those are actually preprocessor defines, even arguable that they're not in the global namespace |
| 01:04.55 | Ralith | the spec is probably clear on whether that's not the case somewhere. |
| 01:05.01 | Ralith | definition of namespace perhaps? |
| 01:08.48 | brlcad | yeah, I'm just not that worried to read it all up in detail .. and given there is a separate section on macro name restrictions, more an indication that we're taking a gamble like everyone else |
| 01:09.37 | brlcad | that other clause was actually in any namespace -- all names |
| 01:10.19 | brlcad | the global namespace restriction is even more broad, "Each name that begins with an underscore is reserved to the implementation for use as a name in the global namespace." |
| 02:10.42 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36188 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (62 files): Start converting private ged structures, defines and functions to using an underscore prefix. Done through _ged_getspace. |
| 02:10.57 | starseeker | brlcad: how would a public macro make use of a private function without including the private header? Doesn't the preprocessor expand out the code of the macro everywhere it is used (and thus any code that uses it will need to know about functions it uses?) |
| 02:27.20 | brlcad | it wouldn't |
| 02:28.27 | brlcad | it's either a private macro or should be a function instead |
| 02:31.34 | brlcad | haven't seen a compelling reason why the various existing macros are macros and not functions other than it was conceived they'd just be very short functions (in which case they could have just been inline functions instead) |
| 02:32.20 | brlcad | they were also merely the start at capturing code patterns internal to the ged func implementations |
| 02:54.26 | ``Erik | boogies to duke spirit |
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| 15:34.55 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: current node bounding UV |
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| 15:38.00 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: distance |
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| 17:55.41 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36194 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (blast.c clip.c erase.c loadview.c open.c preview.c zap.c): Revert function names for _ged_zap and _ged_clip. |
| 18:09.32 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36195 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-ogl.c: Get rid of a call to bu_log. |
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| 19:12.03 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36196 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (9 files): Rename a few more things in ged_private, remove clip and vclip as they're public - still a ways to go. |
| 19:57.56 | brlcad | anytime the function is not the basic gedp/argc/argv signature, the header should probably document why it's a public function |
| 19:58.19 | brlcad | and it's a candidate to get refactored, scrutinized as to why/if it needs to be public |
| 19:59.09 | brlcad | as it's more likely maldesigned |
| 20:00.12 | starseeker | nods - I'm just hitting ged_private in a general sweep right now - once that is done can get more thoughtful |
| 20:00.54 | starseeker | probably want to involve Bob in those discussions |
| 20:11.54 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36197 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/Makefile.am: |
| 20:11.54 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: Added fedex_src and fedex_hdrs directly to build, currently builds from |
| 20:11.54 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: a static copy of the SCL sources. |
| 20:17.43 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36198 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (27 files): More ged_private renaming. |
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| 20:29.32 | starseeker | hey Ben |
| 20:30.01 | poolio | howdy starseeker |
| 20:30.07 | poolio | how goes the brep? |
| 20:30.12 | starseeker | well, actually |
| 20:30.22 | starseeker | you've probably seen the progress? |
| 20:31.18 | poolio | actually no, I've been insanely busy with midterms. do you have pretty pictures? |
| 20:31.50 | starseeker | not to hand, but try running the proc-db csgbrep and raytracing the results :-) |
| 20:32.48 | poolio | ooo, I'll try it in an hour or so once I'm done recompiling :) |
| 20:33.36 | starseeker | more work to do for full robustness, but pretty good progress |
| 20:35.01 | poolio | sweet! |
| 20:48.51 | poolio | ah shoot, I was going back through the versions of the brep files, and I managed to not commit a ton of code >_< |
| 21:06.04 | starseeker | ? |
| 21:06.14 | starseeker | poolio: you mean there was duplicated effort? |
| 21:10.05 | starseeker | auuugh... |
| 21:13.47 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36199 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (42 files): OK, the remainder of ged_private is now prefixed. |
| 22:11.18 | starseeker | arrrrgh - ../../../../brlcad/src/conv/step/RepresentationItem.h:45: error: 'SCLP23' has not been declared |
| 22:32.25 | brlcad | poolio: some shots of the raytracing in action here: http://brlcad.org/tmp/nurbs2brep/ |
| 22:32.36 | brlcad | some before and after images of the wireframe and render |
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| 00:31.41 | starseeker | OK, step-g compiles (so far) on Linux but not on the Mac |
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| 00:51.19 | starseeker | growl. ged_private doesn't seem to be so private |
| 00:51.26 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:53.26 | ``Erik | I'm a bit confused by http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2008/10/12/82294cookiemonsterslayer_1.jpg |
| 00:53.39 | ``Erik | should I be... scared? or aroused? O.o |
| 00:54.01 | starseeker | is just plain disturbed |
| 01:05.23 | Maloeran | Ahah |
| 01:18.11 | starseeker | man, committing today is like pulling teeth |
| 01:18.46 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36200 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (29 files): Grumble... ged_private.h duplicates some stuff in ged.h, clear it out of private and revert the _ged notation for those instances. |
| 01:24.17 | starseeker | ok, this time everything built cleanly |
| 01:31.07 | starseeker | wonders if the logging slot, rather than the results slot, should be used for returning Usage statements... |
| 01:34.36 | ``Erik | hm. |
| 01:42.24 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36201 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (Makefile.am ged_private.h ged_util.c): add a file to use while trying out ideas for libged results manipulation. |
| 01:43.19 | starseeker | alrightie. |
| 01:43.22 | starseeker | heads home |
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| 02:15.28 | brlcad | struct ged should nearly always be the first parameter for consistency |
| 02:15.46 | brlcad | it's the working set that subsequent params apply/relate to |
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| 02:39.41 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36202 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (ged_private.h ged_util.c): Switch order of paramters - struct ged comes first. |
| 02:46.14 | brlcad | ~starseeker++ |
| 03:04.42 | starseeker | just for that? ;-) |
| 03:05.24 | starseeker | oh whoops, I missed the mged one about returning 1/0 didn't I |
| 03:06.31 | starseeker | should fix that, but would reallllly like to try step-g on gentoo... hmm... |
| 03:06.41 | starseeker | oh yeah, that sleep thing too... |
| 03:11.08 | starseeker | can't remember which dm thing he messed up... hmm... |
| 03:20.08 | starseeker | oh yeah, f_dm |
| 03:20.25 | starseeker | makes note to rewire - may take a bit of doing |
| 03:21.57 | starseeker | or rather, some alert coding :-P |
| 04:06.32 | starseeker | step-g compiles on Gentoo |
| 04:14.35 | starseeker | hmm - parses and segfaults |
| 04:23.14 | starseeker | interesting |
| 04:25.20 | starseeker | heh - shucks. openbook part d almost worked |
| 04:33.58 | starseeker | anybody have a login to this website? http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/ |
| 04:34.14 | starseeker | looks like it might be a good source for test cases |
| 04:34.32 | starseeker | wants a lot of personal info to register though |
| 04:57.57 | Ralith | any reason not to just fuzz it out? |
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| 23:48.18 | Maloeran | Neat, UPS's shipping garantees don't apply when a package is lost or delayed for cause of "acts of God" |
| 23:48.51 | Maloeran | I would like to see that defense in court, that "god" prevented the package from arriving, or just destroyed it |
| 00:00.22 | Ralith | Maloeran: I think that's probably a metaphor for "don't come asking for compensation if a hurricane eats our distribution center." |
| 00:09.08 | Maloeran | I like the thought of them trying to prove that the hurricane was god's doing though |
| 00:09.22 | Maloeran | Plus they do mention natural disasters separately |
| 00:10.09 | Ralith | perhaps the breakout of nuclear warfare? |
| 00:10.53 | Maloeran | That would be god's fault too? :) |
| 00:10.57 | Maloeran | Ah, old good humans |
| 01:30.08 | ``Erik | there's a large list of "acts of god" in the US that allow insurnace cop-outs |
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| 14:56.40 | Utopiah | hi #brlcad |
| 14:57.07 | Utopiah | so I discussed few days ago with a friend about plans for a house, we chatted about ArchiCad, AutoCAD, Archi3D then I wonder if there were any FOSS architecture software and thought about Blender then brl-card (thanks guys in #blender). So, ideas, suggestions, links? |
| 15:04.53 | ``Erik | um,BRL-CAD is right there if you want to do any kinda visualization of 3d analysis |
| 15:05.03 | ``Erik | we're not top shelf for drafting |
| 15:06.13 | ``Erik | I think qcad might be the top contender for architectural drawings? mostly, line drawings are tricky and overlays like dimension information is fairly manual |
| 15:07.11 | ``Erik | on the up side, we can do photon mapping to give you a pretty realistic "photograph" of an imagined structure, even do tricks to figure out radio wave propogation so you can see where your cellphone dead zones are, etc... :) |
| 15:08.40 | ``Erik | the resident guru is on vacation this weekend, he may be able to offer more information in a few days |
| 15:09.40 | ``Erik | <-- been planning on modeling his own house in BRL-CAD to experiment with furniture placement and purchase using the high fidelity raytracing to understand what it'd look like :) |
| 15:10.17 | ``Erik | my personal opinion is that it's more of an analysis tool for already existing or designed structures, not a drafting tool for building a structure, ... |
| 15:11.35 | Utopiah | objective is http://seedea.free.fr/persowiki/index.php?n=Content.Projetautonomieenergetique#result |
| 15:14.38 | Utopiah | (pretty mixed in topics and languages but I guess it help to get the idea ;) |
| 15:19.59 | ``Erik | meh, too much french :D |
| 15:20.19 | ``Erik | did you look at the gallery at http://brlcad.org/ ? |
| 15:20.19 | Utopiah | sorry, Ill re-organize and translate it soon |
| 15:20.52 | ``Erik | Maloeran speaks french, but is currently on a flight from dc to montreal |
| 15:20.54 | ``Erik | :) |
| 15:21.09 | Utopiah | Ill be in Montreal in few weeks |
| 15:21.22 | ``Erik | <-- never been |
| 15:22.38 | Utopiah | Ill be in NY too |
| 15:23.13 | Utopiah | but anyway, if I start to design a house in qCAD let's say then use BRL-CAD to do wifi/ light/ whaterver tests, will it works? |
| 15:23.19 | Utopiah | is a CAD/3D n00b |
| 15:23.25 | ``Erik | um, |
| 15:23.40 | ``Erik | qcad uses a line drawing format similar to autocad I believe |
| 15:23.48 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD uses CSG geometry |
| 15:23.59 | ``Erik | kinda different fundamental notions |
| 15:24.22 | ``Erik | we're all like latex style and they're all like word style, yo :D |
| 15:24.30 | Utopiah | :] |
| 15:24.41 | ``Erik | we do have a wide selection of importers and exporters |
| 15:25.04 | ``Erik | but any translation isn't going to be 100%, data may be omitted due to format differences, etc |
| 15:26.54 | Utopiah | yes |
| 15:27.32 | Utopiah | ( http://www.openarchitecturenetwork.org/ looked really cool but, down and no archive since 1 year) |
| 15:33.33 | Utopiah | updated http://seedea.free.fr/persowiki/index.php?n=Cookbook.Objects#architecture and included BRL-CAD |
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| 19:46.42 | poolio | brlcad: hmm, I can't seem to acces those brep pictures or any part of bzflag for that matter |
| 21:23.14 | ``Erik | kitteh |
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| 16:28.46 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r36205 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:28.46 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: Added Coord (enum for X,Y,Z). |
| 16:28.46 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: Added BoundingBox.intersectsCone() method. |
| 16:28.46 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: Corrected BoundingBox.isect2() bug (reported intersection with axis aligned Ray when ir should have missed). |
| 16:28.47 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: Added tests of BoundingBox.intersectsCone() method |
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| 20:47.49 | ``Erik | do you know how hard it is to get decent frozen yogurt on mars? |
| 20:49.08 | Maloeran | Why, the martian dairy industry is on strike again? |
| 21:10.53 | starseeker | sublimation of the yogurt? |
| 21:11.44 | ``Erik | http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/ |
| 21:18.26 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 0387.79.160.231 07http://brlcad.org * r1633 10/wiki/Prednisone: |
| 21:18.26 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: Replacing page with 'deleted |
| 21:18.26 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: only spam' |
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| 21:54.34 | Wreckage | how to install (using kubuntu)? |
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| 23:15.10 | RProgrammer | I'm having some trouble with mged |
| 23:15.39 | RProgrammer | I followed the tutorial, but when I 'draw' things, they only stay on the window for a split second before they're cleared |
| 23:20.54 | RProgrammer | I can also press certain keys to make it paint the screen (L, Q) |
| 23:29.11 | RProgrammer | Wait.. |
| 23:29.21 | RProgrammer | Linux isn't really supported is it |
| 23:29.32 | RProgrammer | The last release for linux was two years ago |
| 23:44.16 | Ralith | don't know where you got that idea. |
| 23:44.32 | Ralith | releases are made frequently with support for all major platforms, and plenty of obscure ones too. |
| 23:49.30 | RProgrammer | Sourceforge |
| 23:49.36 | RProgrammer | The download link for linux is 7.10.4 |
| 23:49.40 | RProgrammer | Released in 2007 |
| 00:09.16 | ``Erik | binary packages are infrequent, the supported avenue is source. Linux is one of the primary platforms. |
| 00:12.53 | RProgrammer | Got it |
| 00:13.27 | RProgrammer | You should emphasize that on the download page (brlcad.org) |
| 00:21.38 | ``Erik | huh, cellphone commercial just listed "open development" as a pro. kinda surprising |
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| 00:31.38 | RProgrammer | 7.16 isn't unstable is it? |
| 00:33.36 | ``Erik | no, evens are stable releases |
| 00:34.05 | ``Erik | only stables get tarballs |
| 00:40.42 | RProgrammer | Good |
| 01:00.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, maybe I can ge a Verizon phone that doesn't suck... |
| 01:02.26 | ``Erik | "droid" looks like it addresses a lot of the issues the g1 suffered |
| 01:12.38 | Ralith | droid? |
| 01:12.51 | ``Erik | the name of verizons new android phone |
| 01:15.12 | Ralith | what's it fix? |
| 01:35.40 | ``Erik | the g1 was far underpowered |
| 01:36.13 | ``Erik | iphone stomped it like mad, droid looks pretty close to the iphone spec-wise |
| 01:36.18 | ``Erik | and pre's right in there, too |
| 02:18.55 | Ralith | cool |
| 02:45.08 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36206 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: removed debug testing code related to outer loop settings |
| 02:48.26 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36207 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/PullbackCurve.cpp: Added local cubic curve interpolation routine to handle large data set fits |
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| 06:02.43 | dreeves_ | ~logs |
| 06:02.44 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
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| 10:44.25 | d-lo | aren't Binary distros for *nix platforms rare? Doesn't 'the average *nix user' prefer source? (Honest question since I am a *nix newbie) |
| 11:07.08 | Maloeran | The average user usually prefers binaries, it's a lot faster to install |
| 11:07.53 | Maloeran | Compiling from source can take a while, and few need the extra flexibility... or the tiny bits of extra performance |
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| 13:09.26 | ``Erik | the average linux user prefers binaries from inside of their distro's distribution system.... |
| 13:09.46 | ``Erik | a debian user will want to run apt-get or one of its front-ends, not download a .deb or .dpkg file and install it "by hand"... :) |
| 13:09.58 | ``Erik | (and I think "yam" is te hot stuff for rpm's now) |
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| 14:25.52 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Jsmith40]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites |
| 14:26.14 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[Prednisone]]": content was: 'deletedonly spam' |
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| 18:07.20 | RProgrammer | Can BRL-CAD do blueprints? |
| 18:15.15 | tofu | RProgrammer: it can do partial blueprints, but not everything you probably want |
| 18:15.42 | tofu | more specifically, doesn't yet support annotatations so you have to label and add measurements manually to an image |
| 18:15.55 | tofu | it will, however, give you the hidden-line renderings common with blueprint visualizations |
| 18:16.18 | RProgrammer | What command do I use? |
| 18:16.26 | tofu | rtedge |
| 18:16.31 | RProgrammer | thanks |
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| 18:43.14 | yukonbob | heh |
| 18:43.18 | yukonbob | brlcad: nice nick |
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| 19:00.03 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36208 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: indianlarry's initial work on step-g is finally committed. |
| 19:08.24 | brlcad | yukonbob: thx |
| 20:05.41 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36209 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: haiku has their networking in an -lnetwork. fix typos in FB_LIBS. |
| 20:15.58 | ``Erik | aO.O |
| 20:16.09 | ``Erik | haiku even |
| 21:24.18 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36210 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/clstepcore/ (STEPattribute.cc sdaiString.cc): gcc 2.95 has fmtflags in the ios:: class instead of ios_base:: |
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| 22:00.20 | yukonbob | sees Sean, Bob are getting credits for Tcl fixes |
| 22:02.33 | Maloeran | gcc 2.95? Gez, that's old |
| 22:13.10 | ``Erik | yes, but we support old OS's some, too |
| 22:15.19 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36211 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/exppp/exppp.c: sys_errlist[] is deprecated, using strerror() instead |
| 23:13.06 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36212 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp): don't rely on <limits> for portability |
| 23:15.00 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36213 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/ (opennurbs_bezier.cpp opennurbs_curve.cpp): portability tweak supporting gcc 2.95, don't use <limits> .. using DBL_MAX instead from float.h; also quell conversion warning about bassing an ON_SimpleArray<Lines> as a const Lines*. |
| 23:18.23 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36214 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: couple more <limits> to DBL_MAX conversion and go ahead and use size_t for the children sizes so the _WIN32 ifdefs can be gone. |
| 23:32.58 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36215 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ (bio.h common.h): fix a problem redefining O_BINARY when fcntl.h is included. move the O_TEMPORARY and O_BINARY into bio.h where fcntl.h is already being included and test _after_ the it is included. |
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| 02:46.45 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36216 10/brlcad/trunk/ (275 files in 25 dirs): |
| 02:46.45 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: Long overdue rewiring of the Docbook make system. This should support both |
| 02:46.45 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: parallel making of articles and out-of-dir building. The handling of the |
| 02:46.45 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: directories in the builddir is a bit crude, but seems to be effective for the |
| 02:46.45 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: moment. Tested only with html/man building on OSX - need pdf testing and other |
| 02:46.48 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: platforms. |
| 02:52.59 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36217 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Eeep, come to think of it that would be highly destructive in a NON out of dir build - take it out for now. |
| 03:03.33 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36218 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: OK, try something a little less draconian for cleanup. |
| 03:06.47 | starseeker | ah, finally :-) |
| 04:36.05 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36219 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Whoops, missed a file. |
| 05:40.34 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36220 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Crud, make install is looking for files create-man-dirs and create-image-dirs. Try making them phony targets. |
| 05:53.02 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36221 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Arrgh, didn't work. As a last resort until I figure out the correct solution, create the files it wants. Useless garbage, but the install succeeds. |
| 05:59.25 | starseeker | must re-examine the db Makefile.am - looks like a little script foo will be required... |
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| 10:36.44 | d-lo | lol: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/21-news-caption-fails |
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| 12:07.49 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36222 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Still a hack, but at least the file in question isn't an empty placeeholder. |
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| 13:23.57 | d-lo | starseeker: Getting a build error: make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dloman/devel/brlcad/doc/docbook' |
| 13:24.04 | d-lo | cp ../../doc/docbook/README README.DOCBOOK |
| 13:24.10 | d-lo | cp: cannot stat `../../doc/docbook/README': No such file or directory |
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| 16:44.57 | d-lo | starseeker: Just as a troubleshooting point, after I get that error, I can 'svn up' and it will restore 'doc/docbook/README'. After that, 'make' will completel successfully. Hope that helps. |
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| 17:55.44 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36224 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/generic/tclPosixStr.c: minor fix for haiku -- SIGSEGV and SIGBUS are the same there. |
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| 18:37.25 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36226 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parallel.c: portability fail. remove the popen() hack as one step closer towards obsoletion. |
| 18:49.20 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36227 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Hmm. Probably should be calling the actual rule... |
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| 18:53.33 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36228 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (pcVariable.cpp pcVariable.h): more avoidance of std::numeric_limits for backwards portability support. default to DBL_MAX until a better configure check can be made or c99 compliance (and corresponding base c++ compliance) can be assumed. |
| 19:22.36 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36229 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/pcParameter.cpp: fix compilation errors on older compiler that can't resolve the the Parameter:: scope on PC_PARAM_ADDVAR templatization. |
| 19:35.36 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36230 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: minor cleanup. |
| 19:49.39 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36231 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/libpc/Makefile.am): portability fix for gcc 2.95 where default template instantiation depth (of 17) is getting blown out by boost. kick it up to a higher value (of 50) as is apparently done by later versions. |
| 19:59.00 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36232 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/keep.c: cleanup, reorder to avoid forward declaration. |
| 20:22.38 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36233 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (ged_private.h ls.c): cleanup and reorder. _ged_vls_long_dpp and _ged_vls_line_dpp are not used outside of ls.c so don't need to declare them, rename without prefix to distinguish them from api. |
| 20:23.53 | brlcad | starseeker: misc/Makefile.defs has a few examples on iterating over a variable that should be helpful |
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| 20:32.09 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36234 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/libged/keep.c src/tclscripts/helplib.tcl): |
| 20:32.09 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: add a -R option to the keep command that makes keep not save objects |
| 20:32.09 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: recursively, so that only the data for the exact objects specified will be kept. |
| 20:32.09 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: this is useful when programmatically taking .g files apart and reconstructing |
| 20:32.09 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: them outside of mged. |
| 20:32.33 | starseeker | brlcad: that's helpful for iterating, but how can I be sure to call the new rule before BUILT_SOURCES? |
| 20:35.43 | brlcad | you add it as a rule, make it a dependency on something else |
| 20:37.06 | brlcad | it can be a dependency on any other rule - you probably have lots of rules getting called |
| 20:38.49 | brlcad | if it's only needed during dist/distcheck, add a dist-hook: rule, or during an install an install-data-local: rule, or during compile as an all-local: rule, or on any of the built targets (e.g. the README.whatever: rule) |
| 20:39.46 | brlcad | the top-level Makefile.am has lots of rule dependency examples for most of those |
| 20:41.17 | starseeker | it's actually BEFORE the compile |
| 20:42.15 | brlcad | so then it's a dependendy on one of the compile rules |
| 20:42.26 | brlcad | dependencies are always called first .. |
| 20:43.03 | brlcad | showing you how to use the hammer, not where to put the nail :) |
| 20:43.51 | ``Erik | (if (satisfiedp thang) t (progn (process (dependacies thang)) (process thang) t)) |
| 20:44.00 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36235 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 20:44.00 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: reword to make mged case consistent (always lower in summary lines, upper in |
| 20:44.01 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: writeup prose). cliff got menus working conditionally in mged (via expansion of |
| 20:44.01 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: the dm devel command) including preserving az/el orientation in the working view |
| 20:44.01 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: - probably need to do more state preservation stuff later (e.g., viewsize, |
| 20:44.03 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: zoom). |
| 22:59.11 | ``Erik | meh |
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| 23:51.25 | brlcad | hem |
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| 03:39.03 | brlcad | enough mailing list catch-up for one night |
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| 10:42.15 | d-lo | starseeker: Saw this, thought of you: http://www.stitthappens.com/images/random/be-rational-get-real.gif |
| 12:22.44 | starseeker | d-lo: hehe |
| 12:22.48 | starseeker | d-lo: show it to Ed |
| 12:28.42 | d-lo | right on |
| 12:32.07 | brlcad | this is the one for ed: http://xkcd.com/435/ |
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| 14:06.43 | brlcad | yay, tcl patch applied for haiku |
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| 16:44.59 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36236 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Tweak docbook make file - hopefully this will do better with really fast parallel builds (thanks Keith) |
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| 17:01.58 | indianlarry | exit |
| 17:15.56 | starseeker | notes firebird is using ant for their docbook build, and they apparently CAN define a rule to copy images |
| 17:15.59 | starseeker | humph |
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| 18:05.41 | Yoshi47 | well thats the end of that |
| 18:06.06 | Yoshi47 | mged is officialy dead, we had a major power outage at my company, well at least i didn't kill it |
| 18:06.35 | d-lo | mged has a reputation for killing power in a building :) |
| 18:08.05 | Yoshi47 | lol |
| 18:16.54 | brlcad | hehe Yoshi47 |
| 18:17.07 | Yoshi47 | not funny |
| 18:17.13 | Yoshi47 | don't really care though |
| 18:17.33 | brlcad | remrt is the one with the reputation .. get a few dozen cpus cranking full steam, pulling extra wattage |
| 18:19.24 | brlcad | Yoshi47: sounds like you'll have a great test case for the new tessellation approach being worked on |
| 18:22.51 | starseeker | Yoshi47: do you happen to remember how long it ran before the wipeout? |
| 18:23.16 | Yoshi47 | would of been at least 60000:0 |
| 18:23.37 | starseeker | OK. Will be interesting to see how the new method does in comparison |
| 18:23.49 | Yoshi47 | working on one core |
| 18:23.54 | starseeker | nods |
| 18:24.02 | Yoshi47 | 1.8Ghz AMD 32bit |
| 18:24.07 | Yoshi47 | OS that is |
| 19:20.22 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36237 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: found really old notes that were written up on bu_bomb during robodoc days, added now for posterity. |
| 20:17.16 | starseeker | goes begging for help on the GNU make help email list... |
| 20:17.52 | starseeker | (as a side note, I wish sourceforge would adopt the list archive stuff savannah uses... |
| 20:38.31 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36238 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Eh, what the heck - enable the docbook build of the old v5 .g spec xml translation effort - will make it easier to work on at some point in the future. |
| 20:45.32 | brlcad | would've expected that one to go in some sort of spec dir or something |
| 20:56.54 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36239 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Move spec from system to specs dir. |
| 21:04.47 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36240 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Better be consistent - all the other toplevel dir names are spelled out, spell out this one too |
| 21:08.17 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36241 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: |
| 21:08.17 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: Hmm. Add rmdir line for specifications - this highlights a weakness in this |
| 21:08.17 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: approach. No images directory is (yet) created for specifications, so it |
| 21:08.17 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: doesn't clean up ANY of them. By the same token, once an image is added this |
| 21:08.17 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: cleaning rule will have to be adjusted. Minor, but worth noting. |
| 21:12.24 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36242 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/unix/tcl.m4: fix tcl's compilation on haiku -- need to tell tcl how to build shared libraries, needs -lroot for dynamic loading, and (most importantly) networking routines are in -lnetwork instead of -lsocket or -lnsl |
| 21:31.22 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36243 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tk/unix/tcl.m4: apply the same haiku patchings to tk that tcl got for dlopen, -lroot, and -lnetwork |
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| 01:16.21 | brlcad | wonders if d-lo or starseeker or indianlarry would be willing to write a gsoc wrap-up report to post to the website before the summit |
| 02:49.18 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:49.42 | ``Erik | tried the cigars indianlarry got ya? any good? |
| 02:50.28 | ``Erik | <-- might buy a small humidor, to be able to have some handy for the rare occasion O.o |
| 02:51.15 | ``Erik | tried a new restaurant in bel air, not bad, tap selection is weak, but the food was decent |
| 02:52.43 | ``Erik | behind target |
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| 14:59.52 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36244 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (archer/plugins/Wizards/humanwizard/ brlman/): ignore generated files |
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| 15:03.32 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36245 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (. articles/ books/ lessons/): ignore the generated directories |
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| 15:14.26 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36247 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tcl/unix/: ignore all things libtcl* |
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| 20:25.33 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36249 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am src/util/Makefile.am): |
| 20:25.33 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: conditionalize the compilation of libpc depending on whether the limits and |
| 20:25.33 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: istream STL headers are available. this keeps things going on older compilers |
| 20:25.33 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: (e.g., gcc 2.95) where compilation will otherwise fail and cannot be easily |
| 20:25.33 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: worked around due to the use of boost (which extensively uses |
| 20:25.36 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: up-to-date/compliant stl). |
| 20:33.38 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36250 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: it's limits not limit |
| 21:48.01 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36251 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cleanup formatting and indent, quell type warning |
| 21:49.41 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36252 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/delay.c: add missing sys/select.h header |
| 21:56.46 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36253 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ged_util.c: pay attention to warnings! .. passing wrong pointer to bu_vls_addr() |
| 22:04.49 | brlcad | woot, core libs all compile |
| 22:24.09 | Ralith | they were failing to? |
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| 22:42.43 | starseeker | Ralith: I think he means on Haiku? |
| 22:42.55 | starseeker | or rather, on gcc 2.95 |
| 22:43.07 | Ralith | on haiku is pretty sweet |
| 22:43.13 | Ralith | but haiku has had gcc4 support for quite a while |
| 22:43.17 | starseeker | probably not Haiku yet |
| 22:43.20 | starseeker | I'd be surprised |
| 22:43.45 | Ralith | it's how they finally started to get some modern oss stuff ported |
| 22:43.50 | starseeker | Yeah, he's been checking 2.95 compile - we used to work with it |
| 22:43.58 | starseeker | apparently we do again :-) |
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| 23:07.23 | ``Erik | where does 2.95 become a target compiler? |
| 23:08.53 | ``Erik | or is it "just cuz we can"? |
| 02:11.54 | brlcad | starseeker: they have gcc4 |
| 02:12.16 | brlcad | default is just gcc2, so it's mostly "just cuz we can" and they're mostly issues that come up on other compilers too anyways |
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| 22:51.40 | starseeker | grumbles - apparently the Raytrace Control Panel in Archer uses quite different internal structures than the calls to rt in the menu |
| 22:53.07 | starseeker | wonders how the panel seems to know things the Archer menus don't |
| 23:02.08 | ``Erik | decides that he is pissed off. |
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| 02:36.26 | ``Erik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX3F2MAWg44 |
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| 02:57.58 | Guest29324 | hi, i am installing the brlcad using the sources, in make getting error " *** [libdm_la-color.lo] Error 1 " |
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| 12:00.51 | brlcad | wonders what the libdm_la-color.lo error actually was.. |
| 12:01.09 | brlcad | sounds like a linker fail |
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| 13:53.12 | ``Erik | or a libtool fail |
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| 10:59.46 | d-lo | Mernin all! |
| 10:59.56 | d-lo | brlcad: starseeker: How was the Summit? |
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| 14:28.40 | starseeker | d-lo: awesome |
| 14:29.10 | starseeker | hits the road... |
| 14:39.48 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36255 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (rb_insert.c rb_order_stats.c): formatting consistency cleanup that is messing with call count parsing |
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| 14:59.46 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36256 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: bu_key_val_to_key_eq() isn't actually implemented |
| 15:11.11 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
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| 17:15.27 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, my brother wants you to send him the poster goliath picture |
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| 19:02.58 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: I know |
| 19:03.31 | brlcad | ughs that the day is half gone already |
| 19:04.39 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, ok |
| 19:10.29 | yukonbob | brlcad: how was text installed on that plaque in the Goliath renderings? |
| 19:42.01 | brlcad | yukonbob: it's an extruded bitmap |
| 19:42.13 | brlcad | so it actually is geometry and has thickness |
| 19:43.05 | yukonbob | figured so... |
| 19:43.43 | yukonbob | ... but will scale poorly if zoomed enough, correct (i.e. will appear "chunky") |
| 19:44.46 | brlcad | yeah, if you zoom in far enough, it's a bitmap |
| 19:45.01 | brlcad | that was a pretty high-res image though |
| 19:45.08 | brlcad | sub-mm iirc |
| 19:46.05 | Maloeran | Hey Erik, are you around? |
| 19:46.12 | ``Erik | hrm? |
| 19:46.40 | Maloeran | Well, if you don't mind, I would need... you to receive a text message on your phone? :) |
| 19:46.53 | ``Erik | can't, don't pay for that service O.o |
| 19:47.08 | Maloeran | To transfer my funds from BoA to Canada, they want to send a text message to a telephone in the US with a little code for greater safety |
| 19:47.12 | Maloeran | And well, I'm not in the US! |
| 19:47.21 | Maloeran | mumbles |
| 20:20.10 | Maloeran | Nevermind all that, I can't register a phone number "because my IP is in Canada". I called and basically I can't transfer funds out of the US from here, this is great |
| 20:27.29 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36257 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/mged.tcl: Add note at point in mged.tcl where globbing magic happens - this is where things will need to change if 'fine grained' globbing options (e.g. per command defaults) are to happen. |
| 20:31.31 | brlcad | http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewdillon/4042675117/sizes/l/in/set-72157622657249246/ |
| 20:35.18 | yukonbob | brlcad: pic is of ?? |
| 20:36.16 | yukonbob | guesses GSoC, in general... |
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| 21:12.30 | ``Erik | looks like the hotel's 'party' room |
| 21:12.59 | ``Erik | iirc |
| 21:13.10 | ``Erik | allz I can say is... NNNEEEEERRRRRDDDDDSSSSSS |
| 21:14.32 | ``Erik | huh, matt dillon, one of the bsd nerds |
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| 21:22.30 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, you'll probably never see a nerdier crowd, at least in terms of density of computer nerds |
| 21:22.37 | starseeker | awesomeness |
| 21:22.46 | ``Erik | pretty sure I have |
| 21:22.46 | ``Erik | last year, in fact |
| 21:22.51 | ``Erik | when I was at the mentor summit |
| 21:22.51 | starseeker | heh |
| 21:22.53 | ``Erik | :D |
| 21:23.27 | starseeker | what, was everyone wearing userfriendly tshirts or something? how did you pull off MORE nerdiness? |
| 21:23.36 | ``Erik | well |
| 21:23.38 | ``Erik | for one |
| 21:23.40 | starseeker | wants to know :-) |
| 21:23.44 | ``Erik | *I* was there |
| 21:24.25 | starseeker | hehe |
| 21:25.27 | ``Erik | http://www.psfk.com/2009/10/marine-mechanics-work-50-faster-using-augmented-reality-goggles.html |
| 21:26.21 | starseeker | hmm |
| 21:29.28 | starseeker | ``Erik: nifty, but they'll be in trouble if they have to do it working without 'em |
| 21:29.41 | starseeker | or if the visual recognition mechanisms go wrong |
| 21:30.06 | ``Erik | I'd imagine not, probably more a boon to learning |
| 21:30.18 | ``Erik | I mean, are you unable to use a gui program because it has tooltips? |
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| 22:44.18 | starseeker | ``Erik: I was thinking more they would get so used to the software telling them what something is they wouldn't bother to remember for themselves (see: driving directions) |
| 22:45.15 | ``Erik | hm, I d'no, "augmented reality" is awfully new, I first saw it in action a couple months ago (results from some iphone developer bootcamp) |
| 22:46.02 | ``Erik | was rather surprised to see it actually rolled out |
| 22:47.54 | starseeker | buttons up and hits the road - weee rainy roads |
| 22:50.26 | ``Erik | have fun on the slip&slide |
| 23:30.18 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
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| 12:09.57 | brlcad | moin moin |
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| 14:07.16 | ``Erik | hm, qt4 on haiku |
| 14:16.57 | starseeker | nifty: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/27/2115243/New-DoD-Memo-On-Open-Source-Software |
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| 19:24.30 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36268 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtermio/termio.c: couple the fcntl() call to O_NDELAY instead of the fuzzy SYSV && BSD defines |
| 20:07.13 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36269 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/Makefile.am: need networking lib (probably need equiv of PKG_LIBS but this is minimum for now) |
| 20:28.50 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36270 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Start inching towards an rtgl that can handle at least a minimal subset of draw/refresh and display swapping commands. |
| 21:03.01 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36271 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Getting closer - still doesn't know to start over when swapping ogl to rtgl for a second time... |
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| 21:19.23 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36272 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: check for the daemon function in -lbsd and/or -lc for adrt |
| 21:20.46 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36273 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/Makefile.am: link -lbsd for daemon() |
| 21:42.04 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36274 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Whoops - a bit too aggressive resetting things after a completed job. |
| 21:47.40 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36275 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Crude but possibly effective method of watching for closing and opening of rtgl display. |
| 21:49.05 | starseeker | yech. still lots more bugs, but it works slightly better... |
| 22:25.11 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:58.28 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36276 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/slave.c: might not have getloadavg() .. old bsd func |
| 22:58.46 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36277 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: check for getloadavg() for adrt |
| 23:05.48 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36278 10/brlcad/trunk/src/bwish/Makefile.am: don't link against itk/tk if we don't have X11 (naive but sufficient assumption for now) and don't compile bwish |
| 23:13.29 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36279 10/brlcad/trunk/src/fbed/fbed.c: make sure SIGBUS and SIGSEGV are not the same symbols |
| 23:20.18 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36280 10/brlcad/trunk/src/fbed/fbed.c: more cleanup, just in case one is defined but not the other |
| 23:27.48 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36281 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (8 files): eliminate the petty and useless mgedtcl.h header. |
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| 07:03.37 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36282 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/chgtree.c: cleanup, remove unused 'really_delete' static and unused extern decls |
| 07:05.51 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36283 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: define HAVE_TK if we have Tk facilities available instead of relying on just the tk.h header or assuming X11 means Tk. for now, check if x11 is off, opengl is off, wgl is off, and we're not building tk. |
| 07:06.42 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36284 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (attach.c cmd.c mged.h): utilize the new HAVE_TK to turn off the Tk portions of mged at compile-time |
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| 07:10.41 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36285 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (mged_dm.h update.c): check for HAVE_TK |
| 07:11.16 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36286 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ (tclcad.c tclcadAutoPath.c tkImgFmtPIX.c): check for HAVE_TK instead of HAVE_TK_H |
| 07:18.10 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36287 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (mged.h update.c): minor cleanup and reformatting |
| 07:32.08 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36288 10/brlcad/trunk/include/config_win.h: windows always has Tk support |
| 07:32.47 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36289 10/brlcad/trunk/include/dm_xvars.h: a little more tight typedeffage to not double def the chip. |
| 07:33.13 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36290 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (9 files): check the other tk.h headers prior to inclusion |
| 07:38.35 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36291 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/dm-X.c: restructure to avoid unnecessary forward decls even with the screwy dependencies |
| 07:55.58 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36292 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: compile-time disassociation from Tk, untested but compiles clean. |
| 07:58.48 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36293 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: cleanup, formatting, stuff |
| 08:03.06 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36294 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/dm-X.c: oops, multichar constants are bad |
| 08:06.28 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36295 10/brlcad/trunk/include/dm_xvars.h: provide something for Display and Window, even if horribly wrong, just to have the struct elements |
| 08:08.09 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36296 10/brlcad/trunk/include/dm_xvars.h: ah, Colormap wants to be tricked out too |
| 08:16.22 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36297 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/doevent.c: hide the X11 bits from sight and de-K&Rify the buttonknob funcs |
| 08:21.21 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36298 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/update.c: stub in unused Tk callback funcs if we're not compiling for X11 |
| 08:23.47 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36299 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/Makefile.am: need to conditionally link against tk/itk in case we're not compiling against those |
| 08:25.09 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36300 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/attach.c: missed a Tk call that needs protection |
| 08:35.30 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36301 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rttherm/Makefile.am: ssampview is a Tk-toting shooter. protect accordingly. |
| 08:49.53 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36302 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rttherm/Makefile.am: be sure to still include ssampview sources in the dist |
| 08:50.47 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36303 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/Makefile.am: even though bombardier only uses Tk, couple it to X11 for the time being until there's a more specific configure subst for WITH_TK (not the dm/fb one) |
| 08:52.19 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36304 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/Makefile.am: note the FIXME for bombardier |
| 09:07.28 | yukonbob | notices brlcad's voracious coding, bids goodnight. |
| 09:09.21 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Hexbolt.png]]": Example hex bolt screenshot |
| 09:14.31 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1639 10/wiki/Hex: add a screenshot |
| 09:15.50 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 0369.10.33.218 07http://brlcad.org * r1640 10/wiki/Help:Navigation: |
| 09:24.26 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36305 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/ttcp.c: totally punt and make ttcp treat haiku as a SYSV system since getrusage() isn't implemented yet. |
| 09:25.20 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36306 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/Makefile.am: ttcp needs the network lib |
| 09:26.37 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:69.10.33.218]] with an expiry time of infinite (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
| 09:26.47 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1641 10/wiki/Help:Navigation: Undo revision 1640 by [[Special:Contributions/69.10.33.218|69.10.33.218]] ([[User talk:69.10.33.218|Talk]]) |
| 09:26.48 | d-lo | wonders if brlcad is awake.... :) |
| 09:35.11 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36307 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: more protectage of the tk.hage; yes, I'm actually awake d-lo :) |
| 09:36.46 | d-lo | MWAHAHA! |
| 09:36.59 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36308 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c: quell warnings on string calls. annotate TclGetLibraryPath() as being a bastard internal that we're abusively using. or, maybe I'm not really awake and just happened to time this *just* right.. |
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| 11:22.17 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36309 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/clone.c: push the result string into print_usage since it's peeking in regardless. |
| 11:24.13 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36310 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/annotate.c: tweak up usage, include header |
| 11:24.29 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36311 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/Makefile.am: enable annotate.c compilation. |
| 11:30.15 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36312 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/nmg_fix_normals.c: quell constness warning |
| 11:30.47 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36313 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ged.h: declare ged_annotate() |
| 11:33.13 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36314 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/annotate.c: don't need the db open to give help |
| 11:34.19 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36315 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_bb.c: cleanup |
| 11:36.02 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36316 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/make_bb.c: also doesn't need the db open to display help (this is probably a bigger refactoring todo) |
| 12:35.44 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36317 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/vls.c: automatically calling system() if we find a '\!' shell escape char in a vls is, like, a BAD idea. why rt_split_cmd() ever did this is moot as nothing sets HAVE_SHELL_ESCAPE anyways. |
| 13:14.07 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36318 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Erm, only one nirt_fig24, not two. |
| 13:14.54 | starseeker | wonders who fed brlcad the nuclear fuel, and hits the road... |
| 13:53.53 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36319 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Added the following methods to give more flexibility to subclasses when reading/writing preferences: readPreferencesInit, writePreferencesHeader and writePreferencesBody. |
| 13:56.19 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36320 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/AttrGroupsDisplayUtility.tcl: A little cleanup. |
| 14:12.12 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36321 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Added the AttrGroupsDisplayUtility plugin. |
| 14:32.16 | ``Erik | hm, 31,200 vgr's, not too shabby |
| 14:50.57 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36322 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Added refresh_on command to get/set refresh_on state. |
| 15:05.25 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36323 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/Ged.tcl: |
| 15:05.25 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: Added the following methods: ged_get_color, refresh_on, refresh_off, |
| 15:05.25 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: add_mouse_ray_callback, delete_mouse_ray_callback, center_ray and |
| 15:05.25 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: pane_mouse_ray. Converted ged_vdraw_color and ged_rgb_color to class methods as |
| 15:05.25 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: opposed to instance methods. |
| 15:05.56 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36324 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/pkgIndex.tcl: Added a line for cadwidgets::Ged |
| 15:11.39 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36325 10/brlcad/trunk/include/tclcad.h: Added go_refresh_on member to struct ged_obj. |
| 17:04.44 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36326 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:04.44 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: Added option(-n) to bot_dump to include surface normals in the |
| 17:04.44 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: generation of an "obj" file. Includes mods to "obj-g" to parse |
| 17:04.44 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: over normals on input. Also happened to bring up a memory |
| 17:04.44 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: freeing error in "obj-g". |
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| 17:33.10 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36327 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Well, now the draw commands don't trigger a redraw, but multiple items in the drawing list don't loop. |
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| 18:10.45 | AirBender | Hello, a friend discovered brlcad yesterday, and looks like a great piece of Software! I got the current svn revision, and tried to compile it on ubuntu 9.10 using gcc 4.4.1, but there's an error regarding a redefinition of getline. |
| 18:12.22 | AirBender | have you compiled it with this GCC version? I know that it's more stricter than previous versions... |
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| 18:47.38 | AirBender | excellent, is compiling now. The problem was related to jove, and apparently it isn't necessary |
| 19:14.18 | starseeker | oh, yeah - I have to disable jove too on gentoo |
| 19:16.49 | starseeker | and it really isn't needed - it's an old editor |
| 19:32.48 | brlcad | http://createuniverses.blogspot.com/2009/09/qtcsg-constructive-solid-geometry.html |
| 19:38.06 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36328 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/jove/ (jove.h jove_io.c): rename getline/putline to get_line/put_line so as not to conflict with the gnu getline() extension. |
| 19:39.11 | starseeker | brlcad: that's pretty cool |
| 19:41.04 | brlcad | and the related former project: http://createuniverses.blogspot.com/2008/09/constructive-solid-geometry-program.html |
| 19:41.25 | brlcad | which started off of http://unbboolean.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:41.44 | brlcad | no idea if there meshing is any good at all, but interesting nonetheless |
| 19:42.22 | brlcad | especially whether they provide any sort of topological guarantees like our libnmg |
| 19:42.41 | brlcad | or whether they even attempt to address numerical floating point issues |
| 19:42.54 | starseeker | ah yes, the hard questions :-) |
| 19:43.14 | starseeker | likes the lisp scripting they snuck in |
| 20:18.55 | brlcad | thought you would |
| 20:52.21 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36329 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/annotate.c: midstream, but commit progress regardless. stash object(s) into a string while parsing args. |
| 20:52.40 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36330 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/help.tcl: document the y/n option on opendb |
| 21:01.39 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36331 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/jove/ (jove_delete.c jove_insert.c jove_io.c jove_misc.c): have to rename all the getline() calls |
| 21:03.30 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36332 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/jove/ (jove_delete.c jove_insert.c jove_io.c jove_misc.c): and rename the matching put_line() calls. that should do it. |
| 21:05.18 | starseeker | brlcad: heh, thanks brlcad - beat me to it |
| 21:06.51 | ``Erik | svn rm src/other/jove O.o |
| 21:07.07 | starseeker | I think it's scheduled, but we can't do it yet :-( |
| 21:08.12 | brlcad | deprecated in 7.14, so 7.20 it can die |
| 21:10.23 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36333 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/CMakeLists.txt proc-db/Makefile.am): Oops, couple missing items in make files. |
| 21:10.45 | brlcad | starseeker: np, my bad regardless -- and no problem being called on it to fix bustage, but telling me/you/anyone shouldn't take longer than the fix or we both fail ;) |
| 21:11.07 | starseeker | heh - quite true |
| 21:11.08 | brlcad | like that one, thx |
| 21:12.08 | starseeker | just wasn't sure if the coding juices had resulted in a massive whitespace and tweakage fix of jove or not ;-) |
| 21:14.11 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36334 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Erm, yeah - probably want to bring more than just articles along for the EXTRA_DIST ride... |
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| 21:38.48 | brlcad | jove would get no such attention |
| 21:38.53 | brlcad | especially once deprecated |
| 21:38.56 | Mkop | I realize this is off topic, but do any of you know of a CAD package that can handle mirror surfaces and angles of reflection of a laser? |
| 21:39.27 | brlcad | Mkop: er, brl-cad does that with basic phong shading |
| 21:39.40 | Mkop | what does that mean? |
| 21:39.55 | brlcad | that other jove fix was just because it was trivial and causing a build failure |
| 21:40.05 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:40.44 | brlcad | Mkop: we have a ray-tracing engine in brl-cad that is used for shooting rays, which can be and are used to simulate lots of things |
| 21:40.52 | brlcad | such as lasers |
| 21:41.02 | brlcad | our optics library handles basic material interactions |
| 21:41.22 | brlcad | computing surface normals and reflection rays is pretty trivial |
| 21:41.58 | brlcad | you'd have to write a driver application or set up some custom scripts, but depends on what exactly you need |
| 21:42.07 | brlcad | otherwies, no, can't help you with other packages ;) |
| 21:42.55 | Mkop | I'm designing a laser galvo system |
| 21:43.18 | Mkop | i.e. we have out-of-box galvos, and want to create drawings showing what will happen to the beam when the mirrors are rotated |
| 21:46.31 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36335 10/brlcad/trunk/include/common.h: |
| 21:46.31 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: wow, HIDDEN has been non-static all this time... 'lint' is apparently no longer |
| 21:46.31 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: being defined so couple the static setting to whether or not we're compiling in |
| 21:46.31 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: debug mode or not (so by default, debug mode has non-static for traceability). |
| 21:46.31 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: this means applications will have to take care to not clobber library symbols. |
| 21:46.57 | ``Erik | drawings like what? |
| 21:48.44 | ``Erik | you could model your 'world' box, mirror and laser in BRL-CAD, then render a bunch of images with the mirror oriented differently and glue the results into either a single image with the line the laser draws, or show an animation of it... |
| 21:48.55 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36336 10/brlcad/trunk/src/bwish/ (cmd.c input.c): Changed history_record to history_record_priv to avoid a name collision with libbu. |
| 21:49.19 | brlcad | ~seen clock_ |
| 21:49.22 | ibot | clock_ <n=clock@84-72-91-240.dclient.hispeed.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 293d 7h 17m 19s ago, saying: 'did it want you to take it for a hitchhike?'. |
| 21:49.29 | brlcad | what's his new name? |
| 21:49.34 | ``Erik | sushi I think |
| 21:49.42 | brlcad | ~seen _clock_ |
| 21:49.43 | ibot | _clock_ <n=_sushi_@80-218-244-105.dclient.hispeed.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 16d 8h 56m 11s ago, saying: 'who has worked on PDP-1?'. |
| 21:49.48 | brlcad | ~seen sushi |
| 21:49.48 | ibot | i haven't seen 'sushi', brlcad |
| 21:50.01 | brlcad | ~seen _sushi_ |
| 21:50.02 | ibot | _sushi_ <n=_sushi_@84-72-9-254.dclient.hispeed.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 18d 2h 33m 2s ago, saying: '``Erik: stupidity=1/IQ ?'. |
| 21:50.03 | ``Erik | ~seen _clock_ |
| 21:50.03 | ibot | _clock_ <n=_sushi_@80-218-244-105.dclient.hispeed.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 16d 8h 56m 31s ago, saying: 'who has worked on PDP-1?'. |
| 21:50.17 | brlcad | probably about right |
| 21:50.48 | starseeker | brlcad: what was the name of that really nice font? |
| 21:51.21 | ``Erik | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d6a804868 |
| 21:51.23 | starseeker | oh, profont |
| 21:52.06 | brlcad | yeah |
| 21:52.23 | brlcad | notice how the super-scaled down version on wikipedia actually shows up pretty clearly |
| 21:52.27 | brlcad | and that's like pt 4 :) |
| 21:52.34 | brlcad | most fonts are gibbrish by that size |
| 21:52.58 | starseeker | nice |
| 21:57.02 | brlcad | Mkop: you might want to take a look at the Ronja project -- that's a project with *very* similar needs to yours, and is one that used brl-cad for modeling, diagrams, animations, and more |
| 21:57.21 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA and http://ronja.twibright.com/ |
| 21:57.36 | starseeker | winces - yeah, licensing doesn't look at all promising for profont |
| 21:57.44 | brlcad | some visualizations: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ |
| 21:58.04 | starseeker | he says he can neither grant or deny licenses - that bad |
| 21:58.15 | brlcad | starseeker: I mentioned that we looked at it extensively .. was just giving the highlight summary |
| 21:58.28 | brlcad | wasn't just a passing thing |
| 21:58.34 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:58.37 | starseeker | ouch |
| 21:58.47 | Mkop | sorry I'm not responding to all of what you're saying, I'm just busy with something else. I will be taking a look in a few minutes. |
| 21:58.48 | brlcad | we attempted for weeks to find the origins, the original author, etc -- as we wanted it to be the main font |
| 21:59.00 | brlcad | Mkop: no expectation of replies on irc ;) |
| 21:59.15 | Mkop | (I just know there's nothing more annoying than some n00b coming into IRC, asking a question, and ignoring answers, so I wanted to reasssure you that's not the case) |
| 21:59.17 | brlcad | especially timely ones, answers can come hours/days later ;) |
| 21:59.58 | brlcad | be forewarned that brl-cad has a very steep learning curve, but lots of power and capabilities under the hood |
| 22:00.07 | brlcad | the learning curve cannot be overstated, though ;) |
| 22:02.26 | yukonbob | chimes in: Rewards are worth the effort. |
| 22:02.42 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36337 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/setup.c: add the annotate command to mged, as basic as it is at this point |
| 22:03.36 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36338 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: document the (not-yet-committed) changes to bu_vls_from_argv() |
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| 22:55.56 | ``Erik | dang n00b |
| 22:56.21 | ``Erik | yeah, learning curve, like the emacs or vim of modelers O.O :D |
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| 00:15.31 | ``Erik | hm |
| 00:34.38 | brlcad | how was dinner with la chica loca? |
| 00:36.03 | starseeker | raises eyebrow |
| 00:38.03 | ``Erik | la what now? |
| 00:38.57 | ``Erik | oh |
| 00:39.13 | ``Erik | heh, I didn't get out of there until too late, so I called them and let them know I wouldn't make it |
| 00:46.24 | starseeker | is bemused - the stix fonts are still not released, but at least they finally settled on the SIL Open Font License |
| 00:46.52 | starseeker | also, they have "discovered many missing glyphs in the non-Unicode fonts" |
| 00:47.01 | starseeker | wonders how that happened... |
| 00:50.17 | AirBender | what is bwish in brlcad sources? |
| 00:51.36 | AirBender | uhmm something like a customized tcl/tk ? |
| 00:51.50 | AirBender | is it needed? can I use just Tcl/Tk? |
| 00:53.25 | starseeker | you can build with a system Tcl/Tk if it's the right version, but IIRC bwish is still built as a wrapper? I'd have to check |
| 00:53.41 | AirBender | ok |
| 00:53.42 | starseeker | is bwish causing a problem? |
| 00:53.51 | starseeker | can usually treat it like wish |
| 00:53.55 | AirBender | I'm having undefined references with bwish |
| 00:54.05 | starseeker | blinks |
| 00:54.09 | starseeker | starting MGED? |
| 00:54.17 | AirBender | tkImgFmtPIX |
| 00:54.29 | starseeker | which program are you running? |
| 00:54.30 | AirBender | when compiling brlcad |
| 00:54.33 | starseeker | oh |
| 00:54.36 | AirBender | from svn |
| 00:54.56 | starseeker | um - you might try updating - there've been a lot of commits today... |
| 00:55.05 | starseeker | dunno if any of theim hit that part |
| 00:55.06 | AirBender | ok |
| 00:55.12 | starseeker | which directory is it failing in? |
| 00:55.24 | AirBender | the symbol is required in cmd.c from bwish |
| 00:55.39 | AirBender | src/bwish/cmd.c |
| 00:55.44 | AirBender | lne 76 |
| 00:55.48 | AirBender | line* |
| 00:56.05 | starseeker | erm |
| 00:56.26 | starseeker | yeah, try an svn up first and see if that pulls any fixes |
| 00:56.35 | AirBender | yeap, doing that |
| 00:56.49 | AirBender | 36338 |
| 00:56.58 | AirBender | let's see |
| 01:03.24 | AirBender | lots of warning huh... |
| 01:06.32 | AirBender | by far the most warning-full compilation I've ever done... =D |
| 01:06.46 | starseeker | hmm, font article: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/45152.html |
| 01:06.57 | starseeker | AirBender: yeah, it's a bit noisy in some areas |
| 01:07.06 | starseeker | particularly on the newest gcc compilers |
| 01:08.00 | AirBender | yeap |
| 01:08.34 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36339 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: If we aren't ready to build step yet, can't have the Makefile in configure.ac without breaking distcheck. |
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| 01:13.54 | brlcad | AirBender: what are your configure flags? |
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| 01:15.12 | brlcad | a couple dirs are chatty, but you really shouldn't be getting a lot of warnings unless you enabled additional warnings |
| 01:15.13 | AirBender | mmm |
| 01:15.32 | brlcad | more than a dozen of the core are even completely warning-free |
| 01:15.34 | AirBender | --enable-optimized --widh-ogl --prefix=/usr/local/brlcad |
| 01:15.47 | brlcad | huh, interesting |
| 01:16.13 | AirBender | may be the reason is I'm using Gcc 4.x.x |
| 01:16.32 | AirBender | may be the reason is I'm using Gcc 4.4.1 |
| 01:16.45 | brlcad | nah, I've run many a build on 4.4 already |
| 01:16.50 | AirBender | ok |
| 01:17.29 | brlcad | also, fwiw, the bwish issue is something pretty recent from one of the 100+ commits today |
| 01:17.46 | AirBender | I think it's ok now |
| 01:17.46 | brlcad | if you want a stable build, can grab the stable branch instead |
| 01:18.13 | AirBender | I want to be synced with svn |
| 01:18.22 | AirBender | there's no problem |
| 01:18.25 | brlcad | so you were just out of sync? |
| 01:18.31 | AirBender | it's building ok now |
| 01:18.40 | brlcad | or did you edit something? |
| 01:18.53 | AirBender | and the warning were on the first 10 minutes of compiling... |
| 01:19.04 | brlcad | oh, heh |
| 01:19.05 | brlcad | yeah |
| 01:19.16 | brlcad | everything in src/other is not our code, so it's chocked full of warnings |
| 01:19.24 | brlcad | that compiles fire |
| 01:19.26 | brlcad | *first |
| 01:19.33 | AirBender | I see... |
| 01:19.41 | AirBender | well it's my first time with brlcad |
| 01:19.58 | brlcad | src/other are our external dependencies, they compile when it doesn't detect a suitable system-installed version of that dependency |
| 01:20.09 | brlcad | e.g., libpng, libz, tcl/tk, etc |
| 01:20.20 | AirBender | yes, I've read it some minutes ago... |
| 01:21.03 | AirBender | interesting approach... instead of installing every dependency on avery error |
| 01:22.46 | brlcad | *nod*, mostly download/distribution convenience but also for controlled compilation testing |
| 01:22.58 | AirBender | ok |
| 01:23.00 | brlcad | lets us turn everything on or everything off or individually, etc |
| 01:24.22 | AirBender | by the way, do you see brlcad as a replacing for CATIA? |
| 01:25.07 | AirBender | replacement* |
| 01:25.11 | AirBender | sorry for my english |
| 01:25.33 | brlcad | that's certainly a desirable achievement and a package that covers a similar domain |
| 01:25.34 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36340 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Well, can now refresh with B - but doing a draw of a second item when the first one is working without either letting the first one finish or clearing causes a crash. |
| 01:26.07 | brlcad | but I more see ourselves as just doing the best at whatever our users need, more niche requirements, more flexible customization |
| 01:27.03 | brlcad | CATIA employs more than 1000 developers -- we have quite a ways to reach that scale to be considered an outright replacement for all their features |
| 01:27.16 | AirBender | I know, and I understand that... |
| 01:27.39 | AirBender | I just wanted to read an opinion of the current state |
| 01:28.04 | ``Erik | seen the 'industry diagram' on the web site? |
| 01:28.24 | AirBender | uhmm in the screenshots? |
| 01:29.11 | ``Erik | in the 'diagrams' chunk of the gallery, yes |
| 01:29.22 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/diagrams/Industry_Diagram.png.html |
| 01:30.23 | ``Erik | that kinda helps explain our... niche :) |
| 01:30.23 | AirBender | interesting... |
| 01:31.15 | starseeker | hmm, caps only, but looks OK small (not clearly licensed though :-() http://www.kottke.org/plus/type/silkscreen/ |
| 01:31.28 | brlcad | we're slowly expanging towards the left |
| 01:32.54 | AirBender | excellent |
| 01:33.05 | brlcad | starseeker: not bad.. not as good as profont though :) |
| 01:33.17 | brlcad | plus the all-caps is rather annoying |
| 01:33.26 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:33.55 | starseeker | downloads profont to see if he can dig the author's name out of the font file... |
| 01:35.35 | AirBender | cool just finished the build process... installing now |
| 01:35.56 | AirBender | Many thanks for the help |
| 01:36.37 | starseeker | thanks for trying it out! |
| 01:36.41 | AirBender | hope brlcad meets my partner's requirements... |
| 01:36.47 | AirBender | in fact they will be the users... |
| 01:36.57 | starseeker | run /usr/local/brlcad/bin/mged to get going |
| 01:37.10 | AirBender | I'm just building it |
| 01:37.17 | AirBender | ok |
| 01:37.29 | starseeker | you saw the docs page? |
| 01:37.53 | AirBender | not too much |
| 01:37.56 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 01:38.14 | starseeker | specifically, Introduction to MGED and the MGED Quick Reference Card |
| 01:39.10 | AirBender | ok |
| 01:39.23 | brlcad | AirBender: yeah, that tutorial book is required reading -- just like any CAD system, it's very complex with a lot to learn for new users |
| 01:40.18 | brlcad | if you want to try something fun, can run the "/usr/local/brlcad/bin/benchmark" command to test your system performance |
| 01:40.20 | AirBender | I know... but that's for my partners... I have enough to do with my part(communications/electronics) |
| 01:40.47 | AirBender | will try that |
| 01:42.13 | AirBender | Wow, nice to see good documentation |
| 01:43.57 | AirBender | seems like your specialty is in the cmputer graphics/rendering area... |
| 01:44.30 | AirBender | well it's the most atractive info to publish anyway =D |
| 01:47.37 | starseeker | brlcad: I take it most of the profont bzflag discussion took place on irc? |
| 01:47.46 | brlcad | starseeker: mostly |
| 01:47.59 | brlcad | starseeker: try emailing the profont addrs |
| 01:48.09 | brlcad | there should be a couple in the license file |
| 01:48.36 | brlcad | the problem is the license file is mostly just poorly worded |
| 01:48.54 | starseeker | nods - ooooold ones - figured those had been tried already, but I suppose it can't hurt |
| 01:48.56 | brlcad | I remember it having a couple serious problems |
| 01:50.13 | starseeker | hopes his gmail addy won't be spam flagged... |
| 01:50.14 | brlcad | the terms "maybe" added an additional restriction and didn't explicitly allow derivative works |
| 01:50.30 | brlcad | both those being lgpl/gpl incompatibilities |
| 01:50.40 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:51.01 | brlcad | otherwise the terms are almost cc-by or cc-by-nc (the latter of which would be a problem) |
| 01:51.25 | brlcad | looks up the name |
| 01:51.32 | starseeker | what do you make of the SIL open font license? |
| 01:51.52 | brlcad | so yeah, Carl Osterwald or Steve Gilardi would probably suffice |
| 01:53.13 | AirBender | is the benchmark usable for the developers? |
| 01:53.19 | AirBender | or just for my interest? |
| 01:53.27 | AirBender | it finished |
| 01:53.52 | AirBender | 6651 times faster than reference |
| 01:54.42 | brlcad | AirBender: it explains what the number means, but yeah it's useful to know |
| 01:55.11 | starseeker | raises his eyebrow - never seen a one letter prefix to a mac.com email address |
| 01:55.19 | brlcad | plus it gives you a metric you can run system to system, compilation to compilation, etc .. and gives you a directly comparable metric |
| 01:56.30 | brlcad | starseeker: er, don't think they're valid.. three is the min |
| 01:59.24 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm. must be a red herring |
| 01:59.48 | AirBender | well, hope to be able to cooperate with this great project in the near future |
| 02:00.02 | brlcad | AirBender: likewise! |
| 02:00.02 | starseeker | "Carl R. Osterwald" <i.DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote... |
| 02:00.20 | AirBender | now we will install it on the other computers |
| 02:00.47 | brlcad | we're always looking for new devs |
| 02:00.51 | brlcad | if you're a developer |
| 02:01.01 | AirBender | I've read that there's a C++ abstraction layer in development? |
| 02:01.15 | brlcad | yeah, geometry engine akin to the ACIS engine |
| 02:01.27 | AirBender | ok |
| 02:01.53 | brlcad | we have a C API over geometry services right now |
| 02:02.19 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 02:02.39 | brlcad | high-level marketing priority talk |
| 02:03.16 | brlcad | starseeker: can't hurt to e-mail/cc every address you find :) |
| 02:04.33 | brlcad | or contacting folks they used to know |
| 02:04.39 | brlcad | we didn't go that far last time |
| 02:04.48 | brlcad | (e.g., http://bishop.mc.duke.edu/bolo/guides/mapedit.html ) |
| 02:05.56 | starseeker | suspects anything short of sending out paid detectives would be easier than finding brlcad a satisfactory replacement font :-) |
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| 02:12.50 | brlcad | one e-mail to a dozen addresses is pretty easy :P |
| 02:12.59 | starseeker | hehe |
| 02:13.16 | brlcad | they'll either come back failures or get ignored |
| 02:13.22 | starseeker | it doesn't get serious until we pick up the phone and start calling people |
| 02:15.05 | brlcad | would totally be worth it for that font |
| 02:15.19 | brlcad | tens of thousands of geeks would rejoice |
| 02:16.40 | starseeker | well, distcheck now passes again on the Mac |
| 02:16.57 | starseeker | sans step-g, sadly :-( |
| 02:17.22 | starseeker | really doesn't get that, what it is saying is undefined IS defined in an included header, and Linux can find it... |
| 02:20.38 | starseeker | should probably head home now |
| 02:21.30 | starseeker | saddles up and moves out |
| 02:38.46 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36341 10/brlcad/trunk/src/bwish/cmd.c: |
| 02:38.46 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: document the Tk_PhotoImageFormat tkImgFmtPIX structure, that it comes from |
| 02:38.46 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: libtclcad and providing PIX image processing support to Tk's image subsystem |
| 02:38.46 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: (even though it only seems to be used by bwish and not mged oddly enough). |
| 02:38.46 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: restructure to avoid decls while we're at it. |
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| 04:18.39 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36342 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: our nurbs headers have to come after the step/sdai headers because we also define DEBUG_OFF |
| 04:19.37 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36343 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/RepresentationItem.h: missing sdai.h for the SCLP23wahtever wrappage. |
| 04:20.51 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36344 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: readd step to build, it should generate the makefile regardless of compilability |
| 04:24.01 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36345 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/Makefile.am: re-enable traversal into the step dir. critical piece seems to be missing here that you have to define DIST_SUBDIRS so we traverse all dist dirs regardless of SUBDIRS (which isn't the same as EXTRA_DIST'ing a subtree) |
| 04:24.48 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36346 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/Makefile.am: minor cleanup, one-per-line, shouldn't tab empty lines, declare built sources. |
| 04:25.42 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, guess what my current title at the pentagon is |
| 04:26.06 | starseeker | grins evilly... must resist temptation... |
| 04:26.24 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks alot for looking at that step stuff |
| 04:26.32 | starseeker | is grateful |
| 04:26.44 | brlcad | there are compilation failures/assumptions galore that still have to get fixed |
| 04:27.03 | brlcad | PrezKennedy: Monkey Butler? |
| 04:27.21 | PrezKennedy | close... computer programmer |
| 04:27.30 | brlcad | cool |
| 04:39.53 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36347 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ (dvec.h vector.h): rename vector.h to dvec.h so we can avoid a name clash with the old stl compatibility header of same name |
| 04:39.53 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36348 10/brlcad/trunk/include/dvec.h: rename to dvec.h; need raytrace.h for fastf_t |
| 04:39.53 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36349 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/PullbackCurve.cpp: include dvec.h instead of vector.h so we get the right header |
| 04:39.53 | brlcad | so that gets it to compile for me (untested runtime) |
| 04:39.53 | brlcad | check distcheck and see if it still fails |
| 04:39.55 | PrezKennedy | its all good, contract will be over long before we ever have the tools we need to code :) |
| 04:40.12 | brlcad | excellent |
| 04:46.28 | brlcad | starseeker: mini todo list for the mess in there... 1) copyright headers to all files (sh/header.sh, you or indianlarry since it was proxy should be fine), 2) standard footers, 3) no using namespace std;, 4) headers are a mess (see HACKING) but at least need common.h first, then system, then whatever else everywhere for portability, 5) svn:ignore dir products (docs need that too), 6) indentation (sh/indent.sh) |
| 04:50.05 | starseeker | brlcad: sounds good - I'll hit it first thing tomorrow morning (will sleep momentarily) |
| 04:50.38 | starseeker | sorry about docs - been building out of dir too much and forgot the reorg wiped out the old settings |
| 04:51.22 | starseeker | muchas gracias :-) |
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| 13:50.23 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36354 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/Makefile.am: need to put the source in extra dist manually if it's not compiled, just like the others |
| 13:51.39 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36355 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: handful of other files and one dir missing from the dist. nirt fig20, authors xml, mged05 image, spec image dir, and manpage readme missing. |
| 13:53.36 | starseeker | brlcad: ah, thanks |
| 13:55.21 | brlcad | do you get a slew of warnings in the step dir about "warning: ignoring old commands for target"? |
| 13:55.33 | starseeker | yes |
| 13:55.44 | starseeker | on Mac |
| 13:55.44 | brlcad | is that from a clean checkout? |
| 13:55.46 | starseeker | not sure about Linux |
| 13:55.50 | starseeker | I believe so |
| 13:56.00 | brlcad | not one that "upgraded" to having it enabled |
| 13:56.48 | starseeker | oh, wait |
| 13:57.12 | brlcad | i think it's the two variable rules causing it, but needs to be tested clean first in case it's red herring |
| 13:57.14 | starseeker | I think I saw those warnings only when conv/step was enabled |
| 13:58.04 | starseeker | does a quick svn status |
| 13:58.46 | brlcad | it's not how it is now -- it's whether you had a plain checkout/build with it already on, or if you reran autogen.sh at some point |
| 13:59.20 | brlcad | only way to test clean is: sh autogen.sh && ./configure && make distclean && sh autogen.sh && ./configure --whatevers.... |
| 13:59.28 | brlcad | or just check out clean again |
| 13:59.54 | brlcad | hits the road |
| 14:00.05 | starseeker | brlcad: I've been doing part of that cleaning process, but not full - I was just getting set up for a distcheck build so I'll give it a go |
| 14:00.49 | brlcad | you only need the double autogen/configure when you suspect its automake being pissy .. which those double-rules could be |
| 14:01.03 | brlcad | course, that ${}: rule is screwy too |
| 14:01.49 | brlcad | that probably needs to be changed, plus the other change, and hopefully we're good to go with a few doc updates |
| 14:02.10 | brlcad | need to get larry to document his change in TODO |
| 14:02.13 | brlcad | er NEWS |
| 14:02.28 | starseeker | freudian slip ;-) |
| 14:02.47 | brlcad | not really, TODO needs to be updated too :) |
| 14:03.26 | starseeker | wishes indianlarry had committed his recent work - merging in any changes after I get done with indents and header/footers will be hell |
| 14:03.44 | starseeker | oh, well - burnt hand teaches best :-P |
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| 14:11.00 | brlcad | word of caution that indent.sh results need to be visually inspected |
| 14:11.10 | brlcad | particularly if there are #ifdefs or namespaces |
| 14:11.44 | brlcad | easier if there are headers/footers first as the footer will end up being indented indicating there are extra braces |
| 14:37.11 | starseeker | hrm make[2]: *** No rule to make target `html/specifications/en/images', needed by `distdir' |
| 14:37.14 | starseeker | checks |
| 14:38.37 | starseeker | oh - brlcad, the reason spec images weren't there yet is that there aren't any (yet) |
| 14:43.04 | starseeker | the empty directory was causing problems, iirc |
| 14:45.05 | starseeker | doesn't remember which ones |
| 14:56.54 | starseeker | deletes the spec images directory until needed |
| 14:59.51 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36356 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (Makefile.am specifications/en/images/): Don't put an empty directory in the svn repository - will re-enable this logic once there are actual specification images. |
| 15:08.08 | starseeker | yeah, it's overriding commands in step dir on a clean build |
| 15:13.08 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36357 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (344 files): Add footers to all step conv files that don't appear to be static copies of NIST files - need to discuss what has to happen with the NIST code with indianlarry in order to use the step libs in src/otheer/step |
| 15:17.45 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36358 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (STEPEntity.cpp STEPEntity.h STEPWrapper.cpp STEPWrapper.h): Get a few more files that aren't NIST copies. |
| 15:57.10 | starseeker | hmm, interesting: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m3e5e2b63 |
| 16:10.00 | starseeker | does Mac have emmintrin.h I wonder... |
| 16:10.38 | starseeker | ok it does... |
| 16:14.21 | starseeker | const double *, that looks ok... |
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| 17:23.48 | ``Erik | ppc mac? didja try building a universal binary? |
| 18:26.46 | ``Erik | "The greeks invented sex. Later, the italians invented it with women." |
| 18:32.52 | starseeker | brlcad: yep, you called it - the fpu implementation works |
| 18:39.54 | brlcad | you should compmile on linux with fpu, then compare sse vs fpu |
| 18:40.22 | starseeker | wouldn't fpu pretty much always be slower? |
| 18:40.31 | starseeker | shudders to think about raytracing |
| 18:42.00 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36359 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (PullbackCurve.cpp PullbackCurve.h): Put headers on PullBackCurve files |
| 18:51.27 | CIA-22 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36360 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (6 files): Switch from using std namespace to explicitly prefixing with std:: (per brlcad's advice) |
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| 18:59.38 | starseeker | hey Ralith :-) |
| 19:00.01 | Ralith | hullo |
| 19:00.07 | starseeker | how goes it? |
| 19:00.28 | Ralith | much to my dismay, univ involves work ;_; |
| 19:00.35 | starseeker | heh |
| 19:00.53 | starseeker | yeah, they do like that |
| 19:01.17 | Ralith | at least it's friday |
| 19:02.47 | starseeker | Ralith: do you recall if we're using quaterniuns for rotation in ogre or is it the yaw, pitch, etc. stuff? |
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| 19:08.31 | Ralith | and the wifi sucks, to boot. |
| 19:14.07 | starseeker | distcheck passes on Linux |
| 19:17.51 | starseeker | looks at the TODO file for items to do before next release and winces |
| 19:25.48 | Maloeran | starseeker, fpu can be faster if you are doing a lot of cos(), sin(), pow() and other stuff that the SSE instructions won't do |
| 19:26.13 | Maloeran | Besides that... stick to SSE of course :) |
| 19:40.14 | ``Erik | I thought amd had trig 'n shtuff built into theirs? just intel was r-tarded? :) |
| 19:40.25 | ``Erik | (mebbe needs explicit 3dnow stuff) |
| 19:53.35 | Maloeran | There was no trigonometry stuff in 3dnow either |
| 19:54.08 | Maloeran | But it had horizontal instructions, the fun stuff that Intel took 7 years to think about and they managed not to get it quite right either |
| 19:56.07 | Maloeran | Go USD, a recovery of 5% in just a week! |
| 19:56.19 | Maloeran | It's amazing for such a major currency to be so unstable... |
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| 20:13.58 | brlcad | starseeker: no, the fpu is very often faster -- it depends on a lot of factors |
| 20:14.07 | brlcad | how much work you can keep feeding the pipeline |
| 20:14.48 | brlcad | there's a cost to transfer data into and out of the simd registers |
| 20:15.11 | brlcad | so that cummulative overhead has to be recovered with enough computation and minimal/no interruptions as much possible |
| 20:15.36 | ``Erik | mal: what're you talking about? CAD fluxes like mad, sure, but I'd hardly call it a major ... :> *duck* |
| 20:35.32 | starseeker | makes notes on personal todo... email profont guys, benchmark fpu vs sse, check out ttkdraw... |
| 20:37.11 | Maloeran | ``Erik, that's a good point! You can see it both ways... Either the USD is fluctuating wildly, or it is stable but every other currency in the world is! ;) |
| 20:38.10 | Maloeran | brlcad, cost to puttign stuff in and out of the simd registers is about the same as for the fpu |
| 20:38.50 | Maloeran | Technically, older archs like Athlon64 were faster with fpu stuff ( a movss from memory requires zeroing out the remaining 96 bits, so it was slower ), but recent chips like Core 2 crunch the SSE stuff better |
| 20:39.40 | Maloeran | FPU requieres the code to fxchg all the time to bring any value you want to work on at the top of the stack, SSE lets you access any register directly in a sane way |
| 20:40.28 | brlcad | not just the load |
| 20:40.36 | brlcad | you still have to wait for the pipeline to flush to get your result |
| 20:40.46 | brlcad | that's part of the "load" overhead if you can't fill it |
| 20:40.59 | Maloeran | The latency and throughoutput of the SSE stuff is better for all recent chips, as far as I know |
| 20:41.14 | Maloeran | If you benchmark an Athlon64 or a Pentium 4, then it's a very different story |
| 20:41.55 | brlcad | we tested just two years ago and took a pretty big hit for incorrent work |
| 20:42.32 | brlcad | thinks it was two, a xeon either way |
| 20:42.35 | Maloeran | Besides all the "basic" instructions, you can do stuff like fmin(), fmax(), fabs() without branching on SSE, it's a single instruction |
| 20:42.52 | Maloeran | I guess it was a Xeon based on the Pentium 4 arch |
| 20:43.57 | brlcad | well we have a perfect way to test that theory on most chips with our vmath interface |
| 20:44.22 | Maloeran | You can eliminate a lot of branches if you begin doing bitwise stuff with SSE, but that'll take some use of SSE intrinsics |
| 20:44.59 | brlcad | those are pretty specific cases from what I'm talking about |
| 20:45.16 | brlcad | there are lots of things sse/simd does way better |
| 20:45.19 | brlcad | otherwise what'd be the point |
| 20:45.31 | Maloeran | *nods* Right, I'm not too sure what your benchmark was doing of course |
| 20:45.43 | brlcad | the general commpute case though, isn't beneficial generally speaking though |
| 20:46.25 | Maloeran | Well I would be very surprised, I thought that was only right for chips of the P4 or Athlon64 generation |
| 20:46.41 | brlcad | otherwise the compiler could just do it for all math ops and we'd be good to go -- some compilers can do it for sections of code where there is a loop of ops that translate well, but still not for general case |
| 20:47.04 | Maloeran | nods |
| 20:48.06 | brlcad | if you're writing the algorithm fresh and can keep the pipeline filled, great :) |
| 20:49.02 | Maloeran | I guess I'm a bit biased, I write the code with a good idea in mind of what GCC will output... when I'm not just using SSE intrinsics directly |
| 20:49.03 | brlcad | the test case we were using was a surface solver iirc |
| 20:51.10 | brlcad | the only point I was making was that you can't just take something like a simple single vector multiply, feed it to the simd unit, and expect it to speed up |
| 20:52.25 | Maloeran | Right, although the throughoutput should be higher with SSE on some very recent chips |
| 20:52.42 | Maloeran | x87 is getting rather deprecated |
| 20:52.44 | ``Erik | be amusing to twist vmath up with sse stuff to see what the difference is there, though |
| 20:52.56 | brlcad | throughput should be higher even on older ones |
| 20:53.20 | brlcad | if you have more than random food for the pipeline, you can keep it busy and get some gain |
| 20:53.38 | brlcad | that's just not the general case unless you design for it |
| 20:53.54 | brlcad | ``Erik: yeah, jason actually did that with those vector headers in include/ |
| 20:53.56 | Maloeran | You can keep the x87 busy as well, the Athlon FX and Athlon 64 were doing very intense register renaming under the hood from sequences of fxchg |
| 20:54.06 | brlcad | not vmath directly, but several of the same routines are implemented |
| 20:54.12 | brlcad | which is what he's using in the solver |
| 20:54.50 | brlcad | yeah, l1/l2 cache on the chip is just as important, but likewise you have to plan for it |
| 20:55.03 | brlcad | keeping data coherent and fit in cachelines doesn't just happen |
| 20:55.36 | Maloeran | I never wrote any x87 assembly, tracking where your stuff is on the fpu stack looks painful |
| 20:55.38 | brlcad | if you're already coherent and fit, then yeah sure .. you'll translate pretty simply to simd and can g et even more gains |
| 20:55.45 | Maloeran | nods |
| 20:56.43 | brlcad | totally would love to see all our CSG prims have a coheret shot() routine with a coherent boolean eval to leverage the same techniques that are used for triangle tracing |
| 20:57.00 | brlcad | at least an order of magnitude to be harvested there |
| 20:57.29 | brlcad | even with lots of data validation branches remaining sprinkled throughout |
| 20:57.42 | Maloeran | Sounds like there are other things to worry about before getting into fpu versus SSE :) |
| 20:58.11 | brlcad | everyone likes faster tracing ;) |
| 20:58.18 | brlcad | that'd make a great paper too |
| 20:58.39 | Maloeran | shivers at the mention of writing papers |
| 20:58.45 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:58.59 | brlcad | you shoulda written one on rayforce at the time :) |
| 20:59.13 | Maloeran | It looks most uninteresting to me, really |
| 20:59.19 | brlcad | think most have caught up by now though too |
| 20:59.36 | brlcad | "most" being ill-defined of course |
| 20:59.46 | brlcad | the top five tracer impls |
| 20:59.51 | Maloeran | Perhaps, not too sure if they are still stuck in their BSP ages, or other tree-based techniques |
| 21:00.50 | Maloeran | I code for fun really, I just hate the thought of reading or writing papers |
| 21:06.13 | Maloeran | Such as this rather fast "tricubic weighted b-splines" image filtering I just wrote today for the CFD visualization... I tend to think it would have been rather boring to just implement what some paper might have said |
| 21:09.25 | Maloeran | ( although if the algorithm has an official name, I don't have a clue what it is ) |
| 21:10.42 | ``Erik | damn you, emacs |
| 21:17.33 | brlcad | you might get joy/satisfaction just out of solving the problem, but I hate to spend time solving a problem that has already been solved |
| 21:17.47 | brlcad | there are plenty of unsolved problems to resolve every problem that is simply 'new' to me |
| 21:17.59 | brlcad | to each their own :) |
| 21:20.51 | ``Erik | nice http://jalemanyf.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/microsoft-fail.jpg |
| 21:21.29 | ``Erik | (look at the laptop they're driving with) |
| 21:28.47 | yukonbob | heh |
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| 22:28.10 | starseeker | ``Erik: is that legit or a photoshop job? |
| 22:28.43 | ``Erik | dunno, had the same thought myself |
| 22:34.22 | Maloeran | True brlcad, I guess sometimes it just takes as long to understand what someone else did and re-create it, than just create something yourself :) |
| 22:34.59 | Maloeran | Eheh Erik, nice one |
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| 22:46.05 | brlcad | Maloeran: that's often true, but even if it's faster to figure it out myself, to me that is still wasted effort as it builds on nothing but my own experiences (which as impressive as they may be will never be as much as everyone else currently and previously alive) |
| 22:50.00 | brlcad | plus in my fatalistic view, I'll be dead soon enough and everything I've learned is moot, so there's value in knowing the things I've done are actually 'improvements' in some regard as they build on those before; for whatever qualification of 'better' (faster, easier, more maintainable, foss-style free, innovative, new, whatever) |
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| 22:52.23 | ``Erik | just like exercise, you'll be dead soon enough, and any muscle you have will just rot away, and there're other people with more muscle :D so exercise would be pointless |
| 22:52.26 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 22:52.48 | brlcad | if muscle were the goal, that would be completely true :) |
| 22:53.08 | ``Erik | is getting ready to code up something overdone and useless just to get the brain exercise from it :) |
| 22:53.48 | ``Erik | provided, of course, she decides to let me O.o cats seem to know that their proper place is on the laptops keyboard. |
| 22:53.49 | brlcad | I do it for the "drugs" .. the endorphin rushes, the runner's highs, the 'feel good' and 'feel fantastic' times |
| 22:54.24 | ``Erik | endorphines trigger the opiate receptors, there're other ways to trigger those :D not nearly as healthy, but easier and quicker |
| 22:54.26 | brlcad | makes me happy, might as well enjoy my limited time here |
| 22:54.39 | brlcad | right |
| 22:54.56 | ``Erik | or; bind to, rather |
| 22:55.11 | ``Erik | brain chemistry is nutty stuff |
| 22:56.19 | brlcad | my way doesn't actually endanger others (generally speaking), shorten my lifespan (generally speaking), require interacting with nefarious individuals, or make an impact on my ability to buy toys (which also just make me happy) |
| 22:56.46 | ``Erik | whoa, I don't need to know about your "toys" there, dude |
| 22:57.05 | brlcad | my toys rock |
| 22:57.12 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:57.48 | ``Erik | speaking of, I've been thinking about picking up the sheevaplugs bigger brother |
| 22:58.11 | yukonbob | laughs about ``Erik going on about "toys" and "plugs" |
| 22:58.39 | brlcad | sheep plugs? ew |
| 22:58.56 | ``Erik | sshoot, had the url the other day |
| 22:59.17 | ``Erik | yukonbob: I thought you liked debian? O.o |
| 22:59.31 | brlcad | this thing? http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/02/marvell-sheevaplug-plug-pc-computer-wall-wart.php |
| 23:00.14 | ``Erik | that's the $100 wall wart version, there's a $250 one with loads more to it |
| 23:00.25 | yukonbob | ``Erik: /me -used- to be a debian person, before I evolved to *BSD. |
| 23:00.58 | ``Erik | ahhh, you saw the light, hehehe |
| 23:00.58 | ``Erik | the sheeva stuff all comes with debian, I'm hoping to get fbsd going on one |
| 23:01.22 | louipc | wow that's awesome |
| 23:03.48 | yukonbob | as far a Linux goes, debian seems sane to me. I'm inclinded to say same about slack, but these days I only _read_ about it (infrequently). Been ~14 years since I've _run_ it. |
| 23:06.34 | ``Erik | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-24-openrd-client-openrd-client-board-with-enclosure.aspx |
| 23:06.37 | ``Erik | there we go |
| 23:06.52 | ``Erik | hah, yowza, that's quite a while :) |
| 23:06.57 | ``Erik | I went to bsd about 10 years ago |
| 23:09.06 | yukonbob | <- FreeBSD dabbling ~10 years ago, NetBSD permanently since NetBSD 1.6 |
| 23:09.51 | ``Erik | never tried netbsd. fbsd is my bread&butter, done some obsd, and I've even dug up old 43bsd and 44bsdlite for simh |
| 23:10.05 | ``Erik | (I think the 43 used the 'tahoe' set) |
| 23:10.30 | ``Erik | on a vax 780... was working on installing BRL-CAD 4.4 on it... :D |
| 23:23.45 | ``Erik | *snrkt* http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1923263 nice |
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| 01:17.24 | brlcad | ``Erik: hehe, diito |
| 01:17.35 | brlcad | that's awesome |
| 01:19.14 | brlcad | is living it up as a scruffy guy tonight, scotch, nica libre, and heroes ftw! |
| 01:19.31 | ``Erik | heh, sgu and beer here |
| 01:19.55 | brlcad | caught oup on sgu ayer |
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| 13:13.04 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 14:10.23 | Maloeran | Morning |
| 14:37.34 | brlcad | ciao |
| 14:44.53 | starseeker | blinks as his xorg-server ebuild applies 78 patches to the base tarball... |
| 14:59.15 | louipc | haaaa |
| 15:13.28 | starseeker | aaaand still doesn't compile |
| 15:13.48 | starseeker | evidently my video card is too many driver generations behind |
| 15:14.10 | starseeker | oh, well - working fine, so mask new and move on... |
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| 11:03.31 | mafm | whoa |
| 11:03.47 | mafm | talk about development activity in the last few days :D |
| 11:04.07 | mafm | do you have a git repository that you use before uploading to SVN or what? :PPP |
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| 19:17.04 | yukonbob | mafm: no Git |
| 19:33.59 | louipc | hehe I wonder how git could handle the repo |
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| 22:49.59 | ``Erik | http://twitter.com/shitmydadsays |
| 04:54.28 | starseeker | ah, here's an actual .mil address with the DoD OSS memo: http://www.defenselink.mil/cio-nii/sites/oss/ |
| 05:08.26 | starseeker | this is nifty too: http://www.defenselink.mil/cio-nii/sites/oss/Open_Source_Software_%28OSS%29_FAQ.htm |
| 05:19.58 | brlcad | interesting, hadn't seen that one |
| 05:20.09 | brlcad | though lots of the same topics on the miloss ml |
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| 11:53.28 | d-lo | ``Erik: lol, I'm cryin here. It's like they quoted my dad's best sayings. hahahahaha |
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| 16:10.44 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36361 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (BoundedCurve.cpp BoundedCurve.h): |
| 16:10.44 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Removed virtual function definitions for PointAtStart(), |
| 16:10.47 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: PointAtEnd() use base class definition instead. |
| 16:20.35 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36362 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (BRLCADWrapper.cpp BRLCADWrapper.h STEPEntity.h STEPWrapper.h): Added namespace usage statement for "std" and cleaned up full references. |
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| 16:38.06 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36363 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/PullbackCurve.cpp: |
| 16:38.08 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Fixed initial control point direction calculation for start condition of the |
| 16:38.11 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: curve in local curve interpolator(The NURBS Book). Also some additional seam |
| 16:38.13 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: logic for checking pullback points of closed surfaces. |
| 16:46.56 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36364 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: |
| 16:46.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Multiplicity of initial and trailing knots for Curves and Surfaces not always |
| 16:47.00 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: matching what OpenNURBs was expecting. Also cleaned up looping of sampled |
| 16:47.03 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 2d pullback data for 2d curve generation and endpoint checking. |
| 17:21.32 | starseeker | brlcad: uh, Keith just undid the cleanup of namespace std... |
| 17:24.00 | starseeker | (of all the days to be out sick...) |
| 17:24.15 | brlcad | yeah, he's apparently not reading commit messages |
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| 17:30.12 | brlcad | starseeker: he also had an edit in there, so can't just revert without a merge |
| 17:34.17 | brlcad | maybe reference http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/coding-standards.html#faq-27.5 in a revert/merge commit message |
| 17:36.41 | brlcad | it's a pretty common convention amongst c++ open source projects for a variety of reasons really |
| 17:37.34 | brlcad | added indirection, reduction of new-reader complexity, naming conflicts, obscure bugs, defeating purpose of namespaces in the first place, etc |
| 17:38.56 | brlcad | another example from google's guidelines, http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml#Namespaces |
| 17:40.48 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36365 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/PullbackCurve.cpp: Fixed header reference from vector.h to dvec.h. |
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| 19:03.24 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36366 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libtie/tie.c: report total number of triangles in scene |
| 19:04.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36367 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): stub out an initial marching cubes hook |
| 20:25.26 | yukonbob | oh hai, #brlcad |
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| 20:56.22 | ``Erik | heh, ralith, "squirl"? :) |
| 20:56.45 | Ralith | playing with github? |
| 20:57.04 | Ralith | it's a play on "chipmunk." |
| 20:57.07 | ``Erik | saw it mentioned in #lispgames actually |
| 20:57.13 | Ralith | o |
| 20:57.13 | Ralith | didn't know you idled there |
| 20:57.24 | ``Erik | I'm stalking you. |
| 20:57.27 | Ralith | D: |
| 20:57.35 | ``Erik | didn't you get the box of chocolates I left in your bedroom? |
| 20:57.37 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 20:57.44 | yukonbob | ha! |
| 20:57.45 | ``Erik | :D |
| 20:57.59 | Ralith | pats deadbolt |
| 20:58.28 | ``Erik | nah, I started lurking there in september |
| 20:58.41 | Ralith | ``Erik: it's pretty neat; me and a few others are codebinging on it and it's around 2/3 done after just a weekend's work |
| 20:58.58 | ``Erik | yeah, but I grabbed your git branch and it doesn't compile for me |
| 20:58.58 | Ralith | although |
| 20:59.05 | Ralith | heh yeah |
| 20:59.05 | ``Erik | sbcl 1.0.30 |
| 20:59.16 | Ralith | sykopomp doesn't test his code >_> |
| 20:59.35 | ``Erik | (0 . 0) redefined as (0 . 0) ... etc |
| 20:59.40 | Ralith | oh that's normal |
| 20:59.45 | Ralith | SBCL is annoying about defconstant |
| 20:59.49 | Ralith | just hit restart 0- |
| 20:59.51 | Ralith | 0* |
| 21:00.27 | Ralith | the nasty stuff is where sykopomp's been doing things like (let ((t ...)) ...) and various chunks of unreachable code |
| 21:00.28 | ``Erik | yeh, did that earlier *shrug* |
| 21:00.46 | ``Erik | ... redefining true? O.O |
| 21:00.50 | Ralith | not intentionally |
| 21:00.52 | Ralith | we're porting C |
| 21:00.56 | ``Erik | right |
| 21:01.08 | Ralith | and 't' was used as a local variable name there |
| 21:01.22 | ``Erik | *shrug* and it didn't get an "eh??" from him? hehehe :) |
| 21:01.25 | Ralith | and I guess it didn't occur to him that it might not port cleanly >_> |
| 21:01.34 | Ralith | apparently CCL didn't notice. |
| 21:01.55 | Ralith | there have been various package lock on CL violations, too, but I think those've been resolved |
| 21:02.46 | ``Erik | be interesting to see a performance comparison once you guys have a solid handle on it |
| 21:03.03 | Ralith | yeah, that'll be neat |
| 21:03.07 | Ralith | I expect it to be pretty comparable |
| 21:03.16 | Ralith | once we've added declarations and etc. |
| 21:03.28 | ``Erik | right, and set optimize 3, etc |
| 21:03.38 | Ralith | (which won't be till it runs cleanly and successfully without) |
| 21:05.33 | Ralith | heads to class |
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| 21:40.22 | starseeker | hmm: pullback_samples:Error: cannot evaluate curve at parameter 0.0 |
| 21:40.25 | starseeker | step-g |
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| 22:40.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36369 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: release prep, most tasks remaining aren't gonna make it. still should rename istat/dstat though since it's trivial. |
| 22:54.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36370 10/brlcad/trunk/README: time for some change. restructure the README so that we get to the getting started section more quickly. move the background info down. |
| 23:04.04 | ``Erik | *yargn* |
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| 02:28.47 | starseeker | well, if nothing else the pirate bay trial has provided the most appropriate use for Star Wars quotes I've seen in years... |
| 02:31.33 | Ralith | oh? |
| 02:32.03 | ``Erik | "I have altered the deal"? |
| 02:37.30 | ``Erik | heh http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=26185 |
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| 03:00.00 | PrezKennedy | "meesa jar jar binks" |
| 03:00.06 | PrezKennedy | nope, still ineffective |
| 03:00.12 | starseeker | heh |
| 03:00.31 | starseeker | liked "Strike me down and I will become more powerful..." |
| 03:02.53 | starseeker | can't say I can fault the logic of commercial interests wanting to shut down the pirate bay, but it does seem like the corporate version of the wack-a-mole game |
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| 03:13.00 | ``Erik | or aiming to destroy the last effective marketing channel they have available |
| 04:08.47 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36371 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: |
| 04:08.49 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: John Pritchard aka comoc reported build progress/failures to our forum ( |
| 04:08.51 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: https://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/forums/forum/362511/topic/3446934?message=7745246 |
| 04:08.53 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: ) where HAVE_IEEEFP_H is being used by openNURBS but our test was removed. |
| 04:08.55 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: readd the test with a comment so it's clear that the test pertains to a |
| 04:08.57 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: src/other target. |
| 04:18.06 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36372 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/ (dstat.c istat.c): some basic cleanup |
| 04:27.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36373 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/ (dstat.c istat.c): more minor consistency stuffage |
| 04:40.05 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36374 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/ustat.c: more cleanup |
| 04:41.59 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36375 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/ (7 files): rename [idu]stat to istats, dstats, ustats in order to avoid name collisions with a couple other (minor) projects. quick search shows the new plural names are unused as command names. |
| 04:43.57 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36376 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/ (dstats.c istats.c): update to reflect the new file names. note that the massive commonality of these three commands begs for a refactoring and unification. |
| 04:44.43 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36377 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/ustats.c: update to reflect the new file names. note that the massive commonality of these three commands begs for a refactoring and unification. |
| 04:49.15 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36378 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 04:49.19 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: renamed the three dstat/istat/ustat tools in order to avoid naming conlicts with |
| 04:49.21 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: a few (seemingly obscure, albeit very much related) projects. new names fit |
| 04:49.23 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: better with the fact that they compute various useful stats, not just one given |
| 04:49.25 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: stat. |
| 04:50.22 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36379 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: stat tools renamed, pretty much good to go after a few more notes are added and tests confirmed |
| 04:57.24 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36380 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/keep.c: touchup for testing. |
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| 12:53.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36381 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: bah, ) typo |
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| 13:35.11 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36382 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/Makefile.am: what a piss poor rename. update the build files too. |
| 13:41.09 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36383 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/d2-c.c: cleanup d2-c, restructure to avoid forward decls and globals |
| 13:43.35 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36384 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/Makefile.am: not sure what d2-c is actually useful for but it's a pseudo 'signal' processor so enable it for compilation. the code looks fairly clean and simple. |
| 13:50.42 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36385 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/smod.c: formatting cleanup |
| 13:51.29 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36386 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/Makefile.am: enable smod for compilation as well. doesn't seem to be any real reason why it was not enabled in the first place other than a few missing headers. |
| 13:56.14 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36387 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/ (Makefile.am fhor2.c fhor3.c): |
| 13:56.16 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: quick review indicates that fhor2.c and fhor3.c were just further |
| 13:56.18 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 'work-in-progress' files that actually do less with more assumptions than the |
| 13:56.20 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: main fhor.c; never merged back together or made divergent features an option and |
| 13:56.22 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: not exactly a high-use command so kill the fluff. |
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| 16:26.24 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36388 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/facetize.c tclscripts/mged/help.tcl): start wiring the marching cubes shtuff up to mged |
| 16:38.14 | brlcad | wot |
| 18:11.35 | ``Erik | ? |
| 18:59.22 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36389 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/facetize.c: assume triangulate if using marching cubes |
| 19:00.36 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36390 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/Ged.tcl: update help for marching cubes |
| 19:50.28 | brlcad | nuthin, just a truncated woot |
| 20:02.35 | ``Erik | ah heh |
| 20:07.27 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36391 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/Makefile.am: put BRL-CAD headers in include/brlcad/ |
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| 20:20.56 | brlcad | hm, those ... shouldn't be installed should they? |
| 20:21.07 | brlcad | look like private headers |
| 20:24.16 | ``Erik | dunno, just noticed they were being installed to the wrong place, didn't really look at 'em |
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| 20:42.29 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 20:48.56 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36392 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/vls.c: implement initial private vls_encode()/vls_decode() functions for supporting faithful conversion from argv to vls and back while preserving spaces and quotes. |
| 20:49.13 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36393 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/argv.c: null the freed pointers out for sanity |
| 20:52.38 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36394 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/vls.c: quell sign warnings |
| 20:55.40 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36395 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/vls.c: convert to a while loop so we don't need to calculate strlen nor keep track of an index |
| 20:57.09 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36396 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/Makefile.am: these 'should' be entirely private headers. see who complains. |
| 21:05.18 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36397 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/rb_walk.c: style atrocity of ' -> ' converted to '->' |
| 21:19.07 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36398 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/raytrace.h src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c): trivial useless function to compare the metaball point value to the threshold. |
| 22:49.20 | brlcad | starseeker: you get any reply from the profont guys? |
| 23:03.42 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36399 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/vls.c: for loop so we make sure str++ is always called each iteration; deref string instead of element [0] for consistency |
| 23:31.33 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.41 | ``Erik | rock and roll will never die |
| 23:33.43 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 01:01.09 | ``Erik | <-- watches the new V |
| 01:01.46 | brlcad | too |
| 01:02.44 | brlcad | already saw the 10min intro preview on hulu... looks like it's going to be pretty good stuff if it stays at that level |
| 01:03.52 | ``Erik | <abc> huh, really? bsg? we need to do it, too. look at our old backlog from 30 years ago for cheesy scifi... |
| 01:04.25 | ``Erik | my parents loved the original series, scared the shit otu of me when I was like 7 though :) |
| 01:05.33 | ``Erik | someone told me that baccarin is in this? |
| 01:05.53 | ``Erik | (inara from firefly) |
| 01:07.20 | brlcad | oh yeah, big role |
| 01:07.21 | brlcad | hawt |
| 01:07.34 | ``Erik | ? |
| 01:07.41 | brlcad | liked the jab on i-day |
| 01:08.33 | ``Erik | hm, I missed that, haven't seen independence day since... it was ... in theaters? |
| 01:09.01 | ``Erik | d'no if I dig her with short hair |
| 01:09.10 | ``Erik | (but damn, if that ain't a reason to move to brazil...) |
| 01:10.38 | ``Erik | (bigassed ship hovering over cities the jab you were commenting on? dr who's done that, others have, too) |
| 01:12.12 | ``Erik | huh, 2 people from firefly |
| 01:12.26 | ``Erik | wash :) |
| 01:15.15 | brlcad | no, there was a short blurb of two geeks getting interviewed on tv |
| 01:16.12 | brlcad | they commented "wow, this is like independence day, but for REAL! .. except that independence day was like a rip-off of about a dozen other alien invasion shows that came before it" |
| 01:16.23 | brlcad | which the V would be one of ... :) |
| 01:17.04 | ``Erik | ah, heh, didn't notice it :) |
| 01:48.09 | ``Erik | interesting persuasive argument, she said everything, and he just repeated it. |
| 01:51.54 | starseeker | brlcad: uh - my brain got fried by this headcold before I put it together |
| 01:52.33 | starseeker | was gonna discuss what we would need with you before I put the email together, too |
| 01:54.29 | starseeker | supposes it was inevitable he was gonna get something what with planes + CA, but this sucks... |
| 01:58.42 | ``Erik | "devotion" heh |
| 02:45.44 | starseeker | hmm, cool: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:31.07 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36400 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/list.c: quell verbose warnings about %p types |
| 04:32.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36401 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/tcl.c: quell shadow warning |
| 04:40.37 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36402 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/units.c: convert to near-zero testing instead of relying on == testing of potentially non-ieee floating point types. quell verbose compilation warnings. |
| 05:23.08 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36403 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/bu.h src/libbu/vls.c): |
| 05:23.10 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: change the signature of bu_argv_from_string() to take a const string instead of |
| 05:23.12 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: modifying the input string. this requires the caller to deallocate the array |
| 05:23.14 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: elements (with bu_free_argv() or bu_free_array()), but is safer than relying on |
| 05:23.16 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: them to not modify/delete what the gave as input that the argv was referring to. |
| 05:23.18 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: still doesn't decode yet. |
| 05:24.02 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36404 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/annotate.c: need to check all calls now to make sure we're freeing our array memory after bu_argv_from_string(). |
| 05:26.42 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36405 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (8 files): style atrocity of ' -> ' converted to '->' |
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| 18:52.06 | IriX64 | pardon the intrusion, but where does $(ECHO) live? I replaced it with echo in makefile in conf and now more n's at end of output into files such as date host etc. |
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| 18:59.13 | IriX64_ | ratty connection ill return later |
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| 20:36.18 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36406 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: the new encode/decode rules break mged's custom struct parsing. need to fix or disable for release. |
| 20:38.08 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36407 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: distcheck failure on nmg_tri_mc.c .. missing from CMakeLists.txt |
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| 21:38.41 | starseeker | hrm: indianlarry, here's part d on the Mac (once I switch from vector_x86 to the fpu version) http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m15b6494c |
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| 22:29.09 | starseeker | anybody know anything about wix? http://wix.sf.net |
| 22:37.11 | starseeker | hmm... generates msi files |
| 22:37.15 | starseeker | interesting |
| 22:37.32 | starseeker | wonders what its file size limits are |
| 00:35.34 | brlcad | starseeker: ah, msi .. those aren't installshield |
| 00:37.24 | brlcad | it'd have to be a pretty fledged installer to surpass our nsis one, though .. it's pretty swank with it's options, graphics, optional sections, etc .. |
| 00:39.45 | brlcad | think the issue is more bob ran into a bug and instead of figuring out the problem, he'd rather play with something new |
| 00:41.06 | brlcad | the problem just needs to have some earnest investigation put into it to see if it's something wrong in our nsis file, an nsis bug, or a network filesystem problem |
| 00:41.57 | brlcad | i took a quick look at the nsis source code and the error he's getting is a generic "file i/o" problem (which stupidly just assumingly reports as disk full) |
| 00:43.15 | brlcad | would be trivial to add some better debug statements in, recompile, see what the real error is; or do the nsis on a diff (non-net-fs) system |
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| 01:35.58 | starseeker | brlcad: in fairness to Bob, he never mentioned wix - I'm the one who went looking |
| 01:36.10 | starseeker | Bob never asked me to - I'm the guilty one |
| 01:37.23 | starseeker | :-P |
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| 03:56.08 | starseeker | wonders if virtualbox will finish compiling before Haiku finishes downloading |
| 04:08.34 | brlcad | for those that haven't seen fitz' and sussman's latest tech talk, it's pretty good: http://code.google.com/events/io/2009/sessions/MythGeniusProgrammer.html |
| 04:08.58 | brlcad | starseeker: aha .. hm. |
| 04:25.14 | starseeker | compile finished first :-) |
| 04:31.46 | starseeker | brlcad: hadn't looked at installer development on Windows since last InnoSetup vs. NSIS discussions - was curious if anything new had appeared |
| 04:34.24 | brlcad | http://wix.sourceforge.net/ is probably the other at a mature enough level, but with a steeper learning curve |
| 04:52.09 | starseeker | installs Haiku into a virtualbox image |
| 04:52.17 | brlcad | woot |
| 04:52.50 | brlcad | starseeker: you'll need to change the default network adapter in virtualbox for haiku to use it |
| 04:53.10 | brlcad | there's a page on their wiki about it, but basically the first intel one iirc |
| 04:53.39 | starseeker | cool :-) |
| 04:55.27 | starseeker | (install is taking a little while on my now lame machine) |
| 04:59.32 | starseeker | tries to think if there have ever been any true genius programmers... hmm... Knuth maybe? |
| 05:05.13 | starseeker | well, the mouse moves ssssllllooww but I guess really I can't kick for full virtualization on something this old |
| 05:08.37 | starseeker | hello from Haiku! :-) |
| 05:09.15 | starseeker | that is easily the easiest experience I have ever had getting networking working in a virtual machine |
| 05:09.37 | starseeker | winces, remembering when bochs was all the rage... |
| 05:10.39 | starseeker | that was coool :-) |
| 05:11.02 | starseeker | must try out ReactOS... |
| 05:18.14 | starseeker | has an idea born of true and pure evil... use ReactOS + msys/mingw to build a Windows install of BRL-CAD that never touched Windows :-) |
| 05:18.45 | starseeker | Fortunately, the toolchain almost certainly isn't up to anything so bats**t insane |
| 05:20.13 | brlcad | slow mouse? interesting.. mine was too fast default |
| 05:20.31 | brlcad | they don't yet have accelleration dampening working well |
| 05:21.42 | starseeker | feels like CPU cranking |
| 05:21.58 | starseeker | has an old dual P4 - may not be up to this kind of action |
| 05:33.48 | starseeker | blinks - internet in ReactOS?? |
| 05:33.57 | starseeker | holy smoke |
| 05:40.06 | starseeker | wonders how this sucker would respond to a movitz image... |
| 05:44.26 | brlcad | don't forget the mosix disc from the summit too ;) |
| 05:45.22 | starseeker | minix you mean? ;-) |
| 05:45.28 | brlcad | er yeah |
| 05:45.33 | starseeker | hasn't heard of mosix for a while now :-) |
| 05:46.21 | starseeker | downloads mingw and msys into ReactOS |
| 05:46.29 | starseeker | unreal... |
| 05:47.34 | brlcad | unreal tournament? :) |
| 05:49.11 | starseeker | heh - could try that too |
| 05:50.33 | starseeker | ah, phew - msys isn't working right |
| 05:50.52 | starseeker | was afraid for a minute there he might actually have to attempt a BRL-CAD compile |
| 05:54.25 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:01.46 | starseeker | hehe - it will take the movitz floppy image |
| 06:10.56 | starseeker | ooo, how could I forget AROS: http://aros.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:12.45 | starseeker | pity about their custom license |
| 06:24.25 | starseeker | mmm, freedos - ah, the good old (or old anyway) 386 days |
| 06:35.40 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36408 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/vls.c: checkpoint. further progress on encoding/decoding from string to argv and back.. though there is still some wonkyness with quoted/escaped words. continued work in progress. |
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| 11:26.29 | d-lo | ``Erik: lol, I'm cryin here. It's like they quoted my dad's best sayings. hahahahaha |
| 11:26.38 | d-lo | bah, now that's strange. |
| 11:26.41 | d-lo | Mernin all! |
| 12:12.35 | brlcad | mernin |
| 12:24.59 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36409 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/bu.h src/libbu/vls.c): revert back to 36317 removing the new encode/decode so raytracing is unbroken and release prep can continue. the issues with encode/decode can get sorted out post-release. |
| 12:25.43 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36410 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: test it, ship it |
| 12:27.59 | d-lo | brlcad: You been playing with Haiku recently eh? opinions? |
| 12:30.10 | brlcad | d-lo: been following haiku since before they were called haiku |
| 12:30.58 | brlcad | i'm pretty excited, actually -- they've had a surge of rapid progress ever since they finally got self-hosting earlier this year |
| 12:31.59 | brlcad | a far ways off from holding a stick to any modern distro, but Haiku's clean heritage and architecture design is one of the best imnshho |
| 12:33.35 | brlcad | starseeker: at a glance, I'm not sure indianlarry's recent multiplicity change is right.. that might be related to the eval problems |
| 12:37.06 | brlcad | opennurbs doesn't store the repeat the start/end knots for surfaces/curves for a given order, duplicating them internally implicitly during eval -- it's not clear to me what r36364 is doing in that regard |
| 13:16.03 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36411 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: apply a heavily modified version of Jack Devanney's ( djw1 ) sf patch 2889987 (improvement to f_opendb) that should make mged not prompt for new file creation if opendb is called with a y/n tail argument. |
| 13:19.20 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36412 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: special thanks to Jack Devanney for his mged opendb patch, even if it didn't survive on apply. he pinpointed the issue and provided a working patch regardless. |
| 13:38.39 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36413 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 13:38.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: prompted by Jack Devanney's problem of adding 'opendb file y' to .mgedrc and |
| 13:38.43 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: having it still prompt, his patch and my refactoring have made things better |
| 13:38.45 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: where it should obey the [y/n] opendb tail regardless of which mode mged is |
| 13:38.47 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: running. |
| 13:56.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36414 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: keith added a -n option to the bot_dump command where it'll write out surface normals (untested) |
| 14:01.06 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36415 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: keith also made some improvements to obj-g making it handle files that have texture and surface normal data (by ignoring that data) |
| 14:04.13 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36416 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 14:04.17 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: bob implemented a new plugin in archer for displaying groups of attributes and |
| 14:04.19 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: showing/hiding objects associated with those attributes. shows up an a graphical |
| 14:04.21 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: panel with list boxes, object selection, and key bindings that drive the |
| 14:04.23 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: graphical window. |
| 14:05.36 | brlcad | that completes my review items |
| 14:05.58 | brlcad | good for someone(tm) to do cross-platform compile testing and sync to STABLE |
| 14:10.14 | someone | heh |
| 14:14.24 | brlcad | hehe |
| 14:15.30 | starseeker | attempts to get his voice to sound a little less like a dying frog... |
| 14:15.40 | *** topic/#brlcad by louipc -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.16.0 posted (20091006) || Logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ | |
| 14:16.02 | louipc | 7.16.0 :D |
| 14:16.20 | louipc | starseeker: you got the flu? |
| 14:16.31 | starseeker | nah, just a headcold |
| 14:16.43 | louipc | ah alright |
| 14:17.00 | starseeker | running the standard head, tonsils, body ache, coughing up crap cycle |
| 14:17.12 | louipc | people are going nuts over the flu and vaccinations here |
| 14:17.23 | starseeker | sometimes I can ride 'em out, but this one was a bit of a doozie |
| 14:17.42 | louipc | new and improved virus eh |
| 14:17.46 | starseeker | yea, I keep getting asked if I've got the flu |
| 14:18.10 | starseeker | standard response: shhh! digestion is the one thing I HAVEN'T had a problem with yet! |
| 14:18.30 | louipc | hehe |
| 14:19.32 | starseeker | brlcad: did indianlarry ever get a Windows build environment set up? |
| 14:20.09 | starseeker | 'twould be nice if the Windows build stuff could be swatted |
| 14:20.48 | starseeker | iirc some of 'em had to do with recent changes to opennurbs_ext |
| 14:23.37 | starseeker | notes with some bemusement that the FreeDOS install takes just as long as he remembers it taking years ago |
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| 14:25.39 | starseeker | heh - watcom c/c++ compiler - I'll bet that's one BRL-CAD has never encountered |
| 14:26.57 | brlcad | not in at least two decades probably |
| 14:31.30 | ``Erik | headcold must be going around, kept me out of the office yesterday, still coughing and snotting a bit O.o |
| 14:34.11 | starseeker | yeah, Sarah had it last week and folks at her place were down sick too |
| 14:34.14 | starseeker | tiz the season |
| 14:34.53 | ``Erik | annoying, anytime anyone coughs or sneezes, everyone goes "??? H1N1?? AAAHHHHH |
| 14:35.07 | starseeker | heh, yep |
| 14:35.13 | starseeker | gets that too |
| 14:35.37 | starseeker | it's like "No, but maybe I can find you some if you want it..." |
| 14:36.06 | louipc | this cold going around must be the 'test' |
| 14:36.07 | starseeker | isn't this the so called "swine flu" that we were all up in arms about last goaround? |
| 14:36.29 | starseeker | thought H1N1 was the "official" name for that, but could be wrong... |
| 14:36.33 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 14:36.35 | ``Erik | it is |
| 14:36.57 | ``Erik | (actually, if I understand correctly, h1n1 is a family of flu virii, which 'swine flu' belongs to?) |
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| 14:37.03 | starseeker | hmm, so we've had world ending due to bird flu, world ending due to swine flu... |
| 14:37.11 | ``Erik | don't forget sar |
| 14:37.13 | ``Erik | sars |
| 14:37.25 | starseeker | was that different from the bird flu? |
| 14:37.28 | ``Erik | oh, and the world ended from the swine flu in the 70's, so *shrug* it's all good, right? |
| 14:37.39 | ``Erik | I thought so? *shrug* |
| 14:37.48 | starseeker | but nobody expects... the Hampster Flu! |
| 14:38.14 | ``Erik | shitloads of media fearmongering for a story... 5000 people int he world have died of swine flue this year, the "regular" flu kills 200,000-500,000 a year |
| 14:38.30 | ``Erik | the spanish flu killed many millions less than a century ago |
| 14:38.37 | louipc | yeah what the hell is sars |
| 14:38.45 | starseeker | that's the 1918 one, right? |
| 14:38.51 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 14:38.58 | starseeker | that WAS scary. |
| 14:39.08 | louipc | haha sars is a cold |
| 14:39.20 | starseeker | airborne, most dangerous to healthy people, struck fast and hard |
| 14:40.13 | starseeker | 'course, sanitation practices in 1918 still left something to be desired, and the world WAS recovering from a very bloody war. |
| 14:40.15 | louipc | it's less dangerous to sick people? |
| 14:40.23 | louipc | o.O |
| 14:41.01 | starseeker | iirc, the theory about the spanish flu was that the immune response it provoked in healthy people was so strong as to be dangerous, whereas those with weakened immune systems couldn't damage themselves as much |
| 14:41.26 | starseeker | something about an immune system "storm", but it's been a while since I saw anything about it and I'm no expert <shurg> |
| 14:42.47 | starseeker | oh: cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system) |
| 14:44.22 | louipc | oh kinda like playing an old video game on a faster machine |
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| 15:01.03 | starseeker | hmm. I'll bet if any OS does well with VirtualBox it would be opensolaris.... |
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| 17:04.04 | starseeker | decides his head isn't going to fall off and heads in... |
| 17:58.03 | ``Erik | gonna have to leave my laptop in a room with a closed door O.o one of the cats closed it. |
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| 18:48.01 | starseeker | ``Erik: the cats are stealing your laptop? O.o |
| 18:49.22 | starseeker | ours would probably consider it a warm place to sleep... |
| 18:54.53 | ``Erik | well, I closed the lid down so there was like 2 inches between the top and base, so it'd stay running... was ssh'd in and compiling BRL-CAD on it and it stopped pinging. I assume that means the noise and heat got someones interest and it became a seat |
| 18:55.08 | starseeker | hehe |
| 19:04.49 | starseeker | ooo, glad I'm not in Montgomery County |
| 19:05.05 | starseeker | traffic control computer crashes, nothing moves... |
| 19:09.50 | yukonbob | ``Erik: you need a USB electric fence for it. |
| 19:10.13 | yukonbob | Universal Shock Bus? |
| 19:14.38 | starseeker | hey, this is kinda cool: http://sumo.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:16.31 | starseeker | http://elib.dlr.de/21012/2/dkrajzew_TRAF9_AgentbasedTLS.pdf |
| 19:17.57 | yukonbob | 3/win 3 |
| 19:18.14 | starseeker | yukonbob: hmm? |
| 19:18.32 | yukonbob | <--- fail. ww. |
| 19:19.32 | starseeker | is now going to be compelled to play with this traffic simulation program and waste more brain cells :-) |
| 19:19.54 | starseeker | real fun - integrate openstreetmap data into simulations |
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| 19:22.16 | ``Erik | actually, been tempted to get some motion detectors and wiring them into spritzers as deterrents, just concerned about water+electronics :/ |
| 19:23.13 | ``Erik | was looking at air freshners and saw some that claimed to be motion activated, hrmmmmm |
| 19:23.49 | ``Erik | wiggles his toes and continues to wait for http://www.stargateworlds.com/ |
| 19:36.32 | starseeker | hmm - open source Air Traffic Controller environment: http://www.albatross.aero/projects/projects-list/project-details.php?p=NA==&s=TGVhcm5Nb3Jl |
| 19:41.18 | starseeker | ah, phooy - project members only |
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| 21:07.24 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36417 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: crude timing test for metaball tesselation. |
| 21:07.35 | ``Erik | takes a moment to laugh evilly. |
| 21:07.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:10.58 | ``Erik | (feel free to comment on the tolerance bit) |
| 21:11.10 | ``Erik | (as for the rest; shove it. :D ) |
| 21:14.15 | ``Erik | subversion applied to become an apache foundation project |
| 21:14.27 | brlcad | neat |
| 21:14.41 | brlcad | is the tolerance dynamic? |
| 21:14.57 | ``Erik | it's whatever is passed in |
| 21:14.59 | brlcad | then it sucks ;) |
| 21:15.11 | ``Erik | looks for the max of the two rt tols' and the bn tol dist |
| 21:15.40 | ``Erik | and uses that value as the grid size |
| 21:22.31 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36418 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: |
| 21:22.31 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Added buffer around UV pushback for loose fitting edges may not need if we can |
| 21:22.32 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: tighten the 3D edge to shared surface. |
| 21:24.36 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36419 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:24.39 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Added tolerance argument to getSurfacePoint(), added quick return if |
| 21:24.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: point found within BREP_SAME_POINT_TOLERANCE, else now iterates |
| 21:24.45 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: through looking for closest point within tolerance argument. Also |
| 21:24.47 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: added BREP_EDGE_MISS_TOLERANCE buffer around 3D bounding box to make |
| 21:24.52 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: sure 3D edges fall within bounding boxes (needed when generating |
| 21:24.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: pullbacks on loose edges).Also moved BREP_EDGE_MISS_TOLERANCE and |
| 21:25.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36420 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brep.h: |
| 21:25.37 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Moved BREP_EDGE_MISS_TOLERANCE and BREP_SAME_POINT_TOLERANCE definitions |
| 21:25.39 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: to opennurbs_ext.h |
| 21:27.16 | brlcad | ``Erik: ahh.. pretty sure you just broke the build on windows |
| 21:27.34 | brlcad | instead of calling gettimeofday/clock directly.. how about just rt_get_timer? |
| 21:27.48 | brlcad | wraps those some routines portably |
| 21:41.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36421 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: use rt_{prep,get}_timer() instead of gettimeofday for portability |
| 21:41.45 | ``Erik | "for those users of lesser os's" |
| 22:04.03 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36422 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: attempt to do something almost kinda sane with relative tolerance? |
| 22:13.25 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36423 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (9 files): |
| 22:13.29 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Cleaned up and removed some debugging/dead code from pullback routines, added |
| 22:13.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: some developmental routines as initial start to edge tightening |
| 23:21.20 | Ralith | hm |
| 23:21.21 | Ralith | hey guys |
| 23:21.39 | Ralith | there was someone here a while back that I talked into tutorialifying an impeller he modelled to learn mged |
| 23:21.45 | Ralith | did that ever get finished? |
| 00:00.13 | Ralith | brlcad: you might remember doing a glass render of it? |
| 00:02.15 | ``Erik | recalls the impeller, vagually recalls some discussion about having a draft of it available for people to test |
| 00:49.11 | brlcad | Ralith: course I remember.. asn't that long ago :) |
| 00:50.15 | brlcad | he had a script, no writeup iirc, though |
| 00:50.49 | Ralith | aw. |
| 00:50.54 | Ralith | script'd be interesting nonetheless |
| 00:50.56 | Ralith | know where I can find it? |
| 00:51.15 | Ralith | is, to his surprise, starting to hear from reprappers interested in mged |
| 01:46.07 | brlcad | i'd have to dig through the logs |
| 01:46.17 | brlcad | maybe someone else is motivated ;) |
| 01:54.10 | ``Erik | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=22920 |
| 03:03.40 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36424 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (parse.c ptbl.c rb_insert.c semaphore.c): quell extra compilation warnings |
| 03:05.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:12.35 | brlcad | mmm.. tasty: http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=1374 |
| 03:12.45 | brlcad | wonder if you can get that toasted |
| 03:43.51 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36425 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: include a note that there have been further tweaks and enhancements that affect/improve NURBS ray-tracing via keith. |
| 03:49.35 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36426 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: incomplete for plate-style non-solid bspline/nurbs geometries, but I made old bspline/nurbs use the new/improved opennurbs ray-tracing. |
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| 11:42.04 | ``Erik | you'd just end up with tuna breath |
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| 13:17.17 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36427 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Update windows build to accomodate adding/deleting source files from build. |
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| 15:21.10 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36428 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: add/use a function two search for the surface intersection between two points. |
| 15:27.04 | ``Erik | heh, "two search", I'm teh smrtt |
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| 16:07.59 | brlcad | senses a slight disturbance in the force |
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| 16:22.02 | brlcad | heh, a recursive bitcount function |
| 16:24.56 | brlcad | ``Erik: there's a high-performance 32-bit bit-counter in src/libbu/bitv.c |
| 16:25.20 | brlcad | as well as other general bit vector facilities if that's what you were doing with that.. |
| 16:26.25 | brlcad | starseeker: do you think you will be able to sync and tag today? |
| 16:46.17 | PrezKennedy | brlcad, what type of monitors do you have at work these days? |
| 17:00.36 | brlcad | lcd? |
| 17:00.38 | brlcad | flat ones? |
| 17:01.10 | brlcad | 30"'s and 24"'s |
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| 17:45.34 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36429 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-ppm.c: cleanup formatting but more importantly improve the usage statement to indicate that output is on stdout |
| 18:14.59 | ``Erik | *burp* |
| 18:16.33 | ``Erik | recursive ftw |
| 18:17.43 | ``Erik | was also looking at doing some inline assembly to use SSE shtuff in that file O.O |
| 18:46.10 | brlcad | there's a handful of places I've thought about using some inline too |
| 18:46.35 | brlcad | but didn't want to do the configure foo to make sure it's portable at the time, and the payoff was minimal given other stuff |
| 18:47.14 | brlcad | a libbn/vmath sse toggle would be pretty interesting to revisit |
| 18:49.57 | starseeker | brlcad: I'll try - I'll see if I can get all the distcheck builds done |
| 18:50.09 | brlcad | k |
| 18:50.43 | brlcad | really needs to at least get tagged today if we can so stable nightly will pick it up tonight |
| 18:50.51 | starseeker | nods |
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| 19:05.53 | ``Erik | 2hm |
| 19:06.09 | ``Erik | on x86, runtime check if SSE is available and have both codepaths available in the binary? |
| 19:06.17 | ``Erik | librtsse.so ? |
| 19:23.11 | ``Erik | "I'm not lost, I'm spacially displaced" |
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| 19:44.15 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36430 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ (config_win.h dm_xvars.h): tk for windows provides the X11 types that are part of the tk api. unbreak the windows build and improve the typedeffage we don't typedef if we already have them. |
| 19:44.49 | brlcad | that'd be cool, but even more work :) |
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| 19:48.27 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36431 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/archer: Modify where to look for archer.ico. |
| 19:51.52 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36432 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/tclsh/library/installTree.tcl: Added lines for attrGroupsDisplayUtilityP. No longer copying entire doc directory to install directory (i.e. it breaks nsis) |
| 19:55.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36433 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/ (archer/Archer.tcl lib/Ged.tcl): Added code to reduce the number of unnecessary redraws in Archer. More to follow. |
| 19:58.30 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36434 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (dg_obj.c draw.c): Fixed a bug that potentially tries to use a bu_list as a solid (i.e. when the list is empty). |
| 19:59.46 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36435 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Tweak the png command a bit. |
| 20:04.48 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36436 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/ (pix-png.1 pix-png.c): improve pix-png output and add a '-o filename' option so that a file redirect is not required |
| 20:05.26 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36437 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-ppm.c: make sure pix-ppm doesn't blather raw ppm data directly to a terminal.. |
| 20:29.37 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36438 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/ (pix-png.1 pix-png.c): refactor so that you can actually send image data out to both a file and a specified redirect, in case some crazy user actually tries it. |
| 20:32.17 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36439 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-png.c: match case ordering |
| 20:35.03 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36440 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-ppm.c: make pix-ppm work a lot like pix-png, stubbing in support for a -o option and adding additional tty protections for input/output checking. |
| 21:27.30 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36441 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: Sean changed size_t to int in a few places to iterate over BA node min/max indices. Also includes a WS update |
| 21:43.42 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36442 10/brlcad/trunk/ (ChangeLog NEWS include/conf/PATCH): OK, here we go - update version numbers, ChangeLog |
| 21:43.47 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36443 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-ppm.c: eliminate two globals for width/height |
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| 21:44.53 | brlcad | ~nickometer R0b0t1 |
| 21:44.59 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:45.21 | R0b0t1 | wat |
| 21:45.24 | brlcad | R0b0t1: howdy! |
| 21:45.28 | brlcad | ignore that :) |
| 21:45.32 | R0b0t1 | :D |
| 21:45.32 | starseeker | cool :-) |
| 21:45.38 | starseeker | ~nickometer starseeker |
| 21:45.45 | R0b0t1 | What. |
| 21:45.47 | starseeker | hehe |
| 21:45.55 | louipc | ~nickometer Irix64 |
| 21:46.18 | starseeker | brlcad: I hadn't see that feature before |
| 21:47.13 | louipc | adding 1 to the end of my nick makes me 22% lame |
| 21:47.28 | brlcad | so don't do that ;) |
| 21:47.57 | louipc | heheh |
| 21:48.00 | brlcad | the algorithm has it's flaws .. some lameness it can't detect |
| 21:48.14 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36444 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/ (pix-png.c pix-ppm.c): no need for usage to be static |
| 21:48.31 | brlcad | ~nickometer thisissomereallyannoyinglylonglamenick |
| 21:48.39 | brlcad | ooh, it's gotten better |
| 21:48.50 | louipc | should be in the 90s |
| 21:48.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:50.36 | R0b0t1 | ~nickometer a |
| 21:50.57 | louipc | ~nickometer 1 |
| 21:51.02 | louipc | hahah |
| 21:51.45 | R0b0t1 | ~nickometer p3n1l31n5t7rum3nt0ft0r7ur3 |
| 21:58.54 | yukonbob | ~nickometer yukonbob |
| 21:59.02 | yukonbob | ah, thanks ibot |
| 22:00.10 | brlcad | ~nickometer 123 |
| 22:00.21 | brlcad | tricksy that one |
| 22:00.41 | brlcad | ~nickometer 1234567890 |
| 22:00.56 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36445 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-ppm.c: refactor the ppm output into a single write function and fix the header always going to stdout instead of the specified output. |
| 22:06.16 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36446 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-ppm.c: cleanup defines no longer used |
| 22:13.42 | yukonbob | ~nickometer brlcads |
| 22:13.47 | yukonbob | ~nickometer brlcad |
| 22:14.02 | yukonbob | ~nickometer ``Erik |
| 22:14.09 | yukonbob | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 22:15.28 | louipc | HAHH |
| 22:35.28 | ``Erik | oh, hey, I'm WAY lamer than that |
| 22:35.30 | ``Erik | damn bot |
| 22:36.11 | ``Erik | <-- pets his stealth marks |
| 22:36.32 | ``Erik | ~nickometer ````````````` |
| 22:36.50 | ``Erik | lime heuristic :) |
| 22:37.04 | ``Erik | lame, even |
| 22:37.59 | Maloeran | scratches his head as he just can't find GCC's floating point software emulation in the whole source tree |
| 22:38.33 | Maloeran | But really, I'm only very curious what the algorithm for pow() looks like. Anyone got some pointers? |
| 22:40.10 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36447 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pix-ppm.c: enable the -o output option and also allow redirected output per pix-png |
| 22:40.32 | ``Erik | well, on yoru fbsd machine, cd /usr/src, fire up cscope and find it :D |
| 22:42.13 | Maloeran | Yes well, I'm grepping abundantely, I just... don't find it! |
| 22:43.32 | Maloeran | Alternatively, anyone of you who actually studied that computer science stuff could lead me to the algorithm for computing floating point powers? :) |
| 22:43.47 | ``Erik | fold_builtin_pow() ? |
| 22:43.54 | ``Erik | in builtins.c ? |
| 22:44.04 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36448 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 22:44.06 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: per confusion by a particular user, improved the pix-ppm tool (and pix-png as |
| 22:44.08 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: collatoral damage) by adding a -o output option so you don't have to redirect |
| 22:44.10 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: stdout if you don't want to. even better, you can redirect AND use -o output. |
| 22:45.26 | Maloeran | Woah, that actually leads somewhere |
| 22:45.39 | Maloeran | Thanks Erik, not sure how you did it but I'm impressed |
| 22:45.56 | ``Erik | my grep-fu is better than yours. :D |
| 22:46.01 | Maloeran | Yes :( |
| 22:46.25 | ``Erik | blames his college education :> *duck* |
| 22:48.05 | Maloeran | That function doesn't actually compute pow(), it tries to simplify it, but I hope I can backtrack from that point |
| 22:48.39 | ``Erik | it passes the simplified tree to an expression folder that copes with it |
| 22:48.51 | ``Erik | if I understood correctly from my quick skim |
| 22:49.25 | Maloeran | Right, it tries to simplify the pow() call to something cheaper to compute |
| 22:49.33 | Maloeran | I'm looking for the big expensive version |
| 22:51.14 | Maloeran | Ah well, that doesn't actually lead to the floating point software emulation, it's for optimization of pow() with constants |
| 22:52.27 | ``Erik | hm |
| 22:52.28 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 22:54.49 | ``Erik | mebbe gmp would be a better target? |
| 22:54.52 | Maloeran | So from all these years in college, you wouldn't know something about the pow() algorithm? :) |
| 22:55.19 | Maloeran | Yes maybe. I assumed I could find that easily in GCC's source code, it's supposed to have a complete floating point emulation layer |
| 22:55.24 | Maloeran | ... somewhere... |
| 22:55.50 | ``Erik | I'm sure I saw something about it, but the point of university isn't applied knowledge as much as the skill to research topics and have a breadth of understanding, from what I've seen |
| 22:56.01 | ``Erik | that's what differentiates university from a tech school |
| 22:59.06 | Maloeran | Found it in GMP. Something tells me the algorithm to compute a fixed 32 or 64 bits would have been simpler... but that will do, thanks! |
| 22:59.30 | ``Erik | gcc is hardly a good place to look for clean algorithms... :D |
| 23:00.29 | Maloeran | I don't know, I like their source code design |
| 23:05.53 | Maloeran | Gah. Looks like that in GMP, you can't do float^float? |
| 23:06.12 | Maloeran | The exponent must be an integer, that's terrible |
| 23:09.56 | Maloeran | That's really disappointing form a big number math library, I'm amazed... |
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| 23:19.35 | ``Erik | (could always compile -march=i386 and disassemble?) |
| 23:19.46 | ``Erik | expmed.c seems ... screwy O.o heh |
| 23:23.49 | Maloeran | Sure, I could compile -msoft-float ... All right let's try that |
| 23:24.17 | Maloeran | I was googling online wondering how could GMP not support powers and logarithms with floats |
| 23:25.26 | ``Erik | heh, decNumberExponent in gcclib raises to an int, too |
| 23:26.32 | Maloeran | -msoft-float makes a call to "pow" in glibc instead of using the fpu, not much better! |
| 23:26.50 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:26.58 | Maloeran | And glibc doesn't provide floating point software emulation |
| 23:27.31 | ``Erik | is starting to wonder if powf() still works on reasonably modern gcc's O.O |
| 23:27.36 | ``Erik | on fpu-less cpu's |
| 23:28.33 | Maloeran | There has got to be a software implementation of pow() *somewhere* |
| 23:29.36 | Maloeran | Disassembled libm.so, pow() just runs the x87 instruction |
| 23:34.08 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36449 10/brlcad/trunk/src/nirt/CMakeLists.txt: create the showshot binary just so the cmake file is in sync with the Makefile.am |
| 23:34.31 | ``Erik | http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/assembler_tricks.html ? |
| 23:35.53 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36450 10/brlcad/trunk/sh/cmakecheck.sh: |
| 23:35.55 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: update the script to not really care where/how a file is referenced for cmake |
| 23:35.57 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: since the SOURCES thing it keys on for our libraries is just a convention. |
| 23:35.59 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: assume if a source file is referenced, that it's good enough to consider it in |
| 23:36.01 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: sync. this lets us add in the intaval, iges, and nirt directories to the list. |
| 23:38.21 | Maloeran | Meh, it's an approximation for values strictly in the range [0,1] and [1,128] |
| 23:38.41 | Maloeran | But I think I found something in GCC's source, gcc/real.c is their floating point software emulation stuff |
| 23:40.10 | Maloeran | It only supports integer exponents too! This... can't be... |
| 23:44.47 | Maloeran | Looks like no programmer on earth knows how to compute pow() with floats, since no one implements it ( GMP, gcc, etc. ). Only hardware designers know its secrets |
| 23:45.23 | ``Erik | well |
| 23:45.27 | ``Erik | there it is in msun |
| 23:45.37 | ``Erik | e_powf.c |
| 23:45.58 | ``Erik | does leenewx have msun stuff? |
| 23:47.11 | ``Erik | http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/msun/src/e_expf.c?rev=1.14.2.1.2.1;content-type=text%2Fx-cvsweb-markup |
| 23:47.24 | Maloeran | Oh, nice |
| 23:48.59 | Maloeran | You gave me e_expf.c but I found e_powf.c, nice |
| 23:49.32 | ``Erik | oh, srry, found it on my machine, was trying to find the cgi one real fast |
| 23:49.47 | Maloeran | nods |
| 23:49.51 | Maloeran | :) Thanks |
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| 01:14.50 | R0b0t1 | Hey, anyone there? |
| 01:15.02 | R0b0t1 | I'm having problems compiling brlcad from source on my ubuntu |
| 01:15.14 | R0b0t1 | It says libz.la doesn't exist... |
| 01:15.24 | R0b0t1 | But it should be in the archived directory I unzipped. |
| 01:26.06 | ``Erik | when you ran ./configure, did it say it was going to use the system zlib, or try to build it? |
| 01:29.06 | R0b0t1 | ``Erik: It says "no: Using system" |
| 01:29.18 | R0b0t1 | Although, it says a surprising number of things I have installed are missing |
| 01:29.25 | R0b0t1 | For extra features, hm |
| 01:35.58 | ``Erik | then libz.la shouldn't be looked for at all, it should do -lz to pick up the .so file O.o where does it break? |
| 01:36.33 | ``Erik | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ if you want to paste teh chunk leading up to the error? |
| 01:37.33 | R0b0t1 | http://pastebin.com/m5f5e4afd |
| 01:37.44 | R0b0t1 | loves bzflag, but already had a pastebin window open |
| 01:41.53 | ``Erik | bzflag.bz == brlcad.org :) |
| 01:42.18 | ``Erik | just haven't coerced brlcad into making the paste.brlcad.org work yet... O.o |
| 01:43.17 | ``Erik | hm, so the output at the end of configure said it was going to compile tcl and tk, but use the system libz and libpng? |
| 01:43.42 | ``Erik | (and... 7.8.4? where did you get that?) |
| 01:44.08 | ``Erik | and 7.12.2? something's seriously screwed up there heh |
| 01:44.43 | ``Erik | it'd be best to grab 7.16.0 from sourceforge |
| 01:46.41 | R0b0t1 | Hmm |
| 01:46.49 | R0b0t1 | I thought I was getting the newest one, :P |
| 01:49.24 | ``Erik | http://sf.net/projects/brlcad/files/BRL-CAD%20Source/7.16.0/ |
| 02:00.24 | R0b0t1 | Damn. That's a lot of warnings. |
| 02:01.22 | ``Erik | ? |
| 02:01.22 | Maloeran | Building stuff on Ubuntu is rather annoying, you have to install all these little "dev" packages just to get header files and static libraries |
| 02:01.35 | brlcad | where is it in the compile? some portions arent ours to quell |
| 02:01.44 | ``Erik | src/other specifically |
| 02:03.06 | Maloeran | I really don't understand why the package maintainer felt they should provide separate "-dev" packages to allow actual compilation of software using the libraries |
| 02:03.18 | Maloeran | The 5kb .h file was just too heavy? Ah gez |
| 02:03.28 | Maloeran | package maintainers* |
| 02:03.29 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:03.32 | ``Erik | pets fbsd O:-) |
| 02:03.37 | R0b0t1 | Ewww |
| 02:03.39 | R0b0t1 | Go gentoo. |
| 02:03.49 | R0b0t1 | Oh, nothing is fatal yet. Just... lots of warnings... :P |
| 02:05.20 | Maloeran | Gentoo is great, just don't ever try to do a major update once it's installed and running :) |
| 02:05.47 | ``Erik | pets his fbsd boxen that do major updates without sweating it :) |
| 02:07.08 | Maloeran | Yes, the Gentoo crowd kind of messed up the convenience of a software packaging system |
| 02:07.54 | ``Erik | they made a halfassed attempt to copy the bsd one and ended up with typical linux quality... :> *duck* |
| 02:07.57 | Maloeran | I don't want to have to modify obscure symlinks to update my "profile", or modify some files to force the system to install a package it decided I didn't want |
| 02:08.52 | ``Erik | (no one fighting? darn.) |
| 02:09.11 | Maloeran | "This package is masked!" .... "Now go figure out what that means and how to bypass my database, because I'm a stubborn packaging system and I don't care about what you think you need." |
| 02:09.40 | R0b0t1 | Ello, new error: http://pastebin.com/m2a2e5ac3 |
| 02:10.04 | R0b0t1 | wat |
| 02:10.16 | R0b0t1 | how is emerge --keep-going world obscure |
| 02:10.26 | Maloeran | Sorry, 4 years of Gentoo have taken their toll on me |
| 02:10.53 | Maloeran | --keep-going will not install a masked package |
| 02:11.06 | R0b0t1 | Oh, well yeah. |
| 02:11.10 | ``Erik | that error says that your xslt/libxml2 stuff is broken |
| 02:11.41 | ``Erik | looks like a 64 vs 32 bit issue? |
| 02:11.46 | R0b0t1 | Perhaps |
| 02:11.48 | R0b0t1 | I am on 64bit |
| 02:12.06 | R0b0t1 | And I borked my synaptic because someone turned my comp of while upgrading. |
| 02:12.15 | R0b0t1 | Dunno if that's it, though. |
| 02:12.20 | R0b0t1 | Anything you could think of I could try? |
| 02:12.29 | ``Erik | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=610789 |
| 02:12.55 | R0b0t1 | Wait, what |
| 02:13.09 | ``Erik | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml2/+bug/151045 |
| 02:14.23 | ``Erik | http://www.mail-archive.com/sage-devel@googlegroups.com/msg10281.html |
| 02:14.30 | ``Erik | (amusingly, I went to school with jason grout) |
| 02:15.08 | Maloeran | Apparently you got to remove some /usr/local/lib/libz* and reinstall |
| 02:15.18 | R0b0t1 | has no /usr/local/lib |
| 02:15.31 | R0b0t1 | Well, hmm |
| 02:15.36 | ``Erik | it's a "your libz and libxml2 don't match up right" issue |
| 02:15.36 | R0b0t1 | It says to remove older versions |
| 02:15.53 | Maloeran | As it should be, Ubuntu doesn't install anything in /usr/local, some people may manually install stuff there and it generates library conflicts... |
| 02:16.55 | Maloeran | Check what you got in LD_LIBRARY_PATH, for any strange path |
| 02:17.15 | R0b0t1 | Looks normal |
| 02:17.16 | Maloeran | Software installed from different sources may modify that path and install libraries in other locations |
| 02:17.41 | ``Erik | mebbe try reinstalling libz and libxml2? *shrug* |
| 02:17.43 | R0b0t1 | Ah, hm, I see a way to continue my upgrade from where it was terminated. I'll finish that and perhaps come back, I would assume that would fix it. |
| 02:18.15 | R0b0t1 | Thanks for your help :). I think it's some deeper-level error though, not really easily fixable at all. |
| 02:18.34 | ``Erik | really? on fbsd, it'd just be "portmanager -u -bu -l" and go have cookies |
| 02:18.37 | ``Erik | :D *duck* |
| 02:18.44 | R0b0t1 | Ta, off to install gentoo on my slimclient (with only usb ports and svideo... had to plug the SATA into another comp) |
| 02:18.45 | Maloeran | Eh, doesn't sound like such a big error to me... |
| 02:18.55 | R0b0t1 | Well, big as in, weird. |
| 02:19.30 | ``Erik | isn't ther ean "emerge --do-everything-that-was-supposed-to-happen-but-didnt"? :) |
| 02:19.39 | R0b0t1 | Yeah, or something like it. |
| 02:19.49 | R0b0t1 | Well, but I mean, it doesn't really break anything completely. |
| 02:20.00 | ``Erik | looks at the gentoo manpage at http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 02:20.02 | R0b0t1 | But something you linked me to, ``Erik, gave me the solution. |
| 02:20.18 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 02:21.12 | Maloeran | Gentoo is weird really. It tries to be very user-friendly in preventing you of doing "bad" stuff like installing packages it decided you didn't need... but it requires one to modify obscure symlinks and files at random occasions |
| 02:21.56 | Maloeran | As if they only managed to get the bad part at trying to be user-friendly |
| 02:22.54 | R0b0t1 | Meh |
| 02:23.05 | R0b0t1 | There's times where everything needs a "shut up and listen" button. |
| 02:23.20 | R0b0t1 | I've personally gotten REALLY tired of some software not listening :p |
| 02:24.04 | Maloeran | Yes, I have developed a... special and strangely emotional relationship with Gentoo's emerge |
| 02:24.09 | Maloeran | And it isn't going too well |
| 02:29.22 | starseeker | brlcad: do I need to update the ChangeLog again? |
| 02:29.45 | R0b0t1 | Haha! |
| 02:29.47 | R0b0t1 | That fixed it. |
| 02:29.57 | R0b0t1 | It was a relic causing trouble from my interrupted upgrade. |
| 02:35.16 | R0b0t1 | Really quick question. |
| 02:35.19 | R0b0t1 | How do I run brlcad. |
| 02:35.59 | ``Erik | um, there're over 400 programs |
| 02:36.05 | ``Erik | the one most people are looking for is "mged" |
| 02:36.33 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 02:38.01 | R0b0t1 | Hmm |
| 02:38.39 | R0b0t1 | Bummer, thought it'd have a GUI :p |
| 02:38.42 | R0b0t1 | reads the docs |
| 02:38.58 | ``Erik | mged is the "gui" |
| 02:40.16 | R0b0t1 | I'd be calling it more of a CLI. |
| 02:40.44 | R0b0t1 | Ruh-roh, unable to initialize gui |
| 02:44.06 | R0b0t1 | ``Erik: Heh, got a few more minutes? |
| 02:44.09 | ``Erik | ? |
| 02:45.55 | R0b0t1 | mged starts with |
| 02:45.55 | R0b0t1 | MGED unable to initialize gui, reverting to classic mode. |
| 02:45.55 | R0b0t1 | attach (nu|X|ogl)[nu]? |
| 02:46.17 | R0b0t1 | :-\, and no matter which option I choose, only provides a CLI |
| 02:47.11 | ``Erik | hrm, classic mode is a command line interface with a display window (X would be the one you want) |
| 02:47.19 | ``Erik | if it's doing that, it means your tk isn't quite right |
| 02:47.41 | ``Erik | perhaps try rebuilding BRL-CAD, this time using ./configure --enable-all --enable-optimized |
| 02:47.43 | R0b0t1 | tk? |
| 02:47.52 | ``Erik | yeah, tcl/tk is how the gui is done |
| 02:47.53 | R0b0t1 | ok, then :) |
| 02:48.44 | starseeker | Maloeran: I find once I get /etc/make.conf, /etc/package.mask, /etc/package.unmask, and /etc/package.use set properly it helps a lot |
| 02:49.05 | starseeker | usually tossing something in one of those 4 files handles things |
| 02:50.31 | brlcad | starseeker: nah, it's close enough |
| 02:50.37 | R0b0t1 | http://pastebin.com/m51a51776 |
| 02:50.40 | R0b0t1 | Another error :0 |
| 02:50.57 | brlcad | hm, that'd be an interesting system to debug.. enough tk to link, but not configured properly to initialize |
| 02:51.01 | R0b0t1 | But it's in other, I think I remember something about ignoring those :) |
| 02:51.18 | brlcad | yeah, add --disable-jove |
| 02:51.23 | brlcad | you don't want it anyways |
| 02:51.37 | R0b0t1 | Hm, really? |
| 02:51.42 | brlcad | that build issue is fixed in svn head |
| 02:51.47 | R0b0t1 | Oh, I see. |
| 02:52.22 | R0b0t1 | wonders what jove did anyway |
| 02:52.29 | ``Erik | a really shitty old emacs clone |
| 02:53.12 | ``Erik | I mean, uh, "jonathons own version of emacs" |
| 02:54.55 | R0b0t1 | (XD) |
| 02:55.09 | R0b0t1 | I ran the new ./config line, but I still have problems. |
| 02:56.01 | ``Erik | bites his tongue O:-) |
| 02:56.11 | R0b0t1 | ... the same problem |
| 02:56.12 | R0b0t1 | :p |
| 02:56.20 | R0b0t1 | I added disable-joves though |
| 02:56.53 | ``Erik | --disable-jove, not --disable-joves... O.o |
| 02:56.56 | R0b0t1 | It provides me no GUI |
| 02:57.13 | ``Erik | ah, you mean it installed with --enable-all and still has the 'unable to initialize tk' error? |
| 02:57.20 | R0b0t1 | I did it right on my ./configure, whooops. |
| 02:57.27 | brlcad | you have to "make clean" after reconfiguring |
| 02:57.29 | R0b0t1 | ``Erik: Yeah... |
| 02:57.30 | R0b0t1 | Oh |
| 02:57.31 | R0b0t1 | Heh |
| 02:57.33 | brlcad | and then rebuild |
| 02:57.56 | starseeker | glares at 3Dconnexion - how the heck can you "license" a device for professional use? |
| 02:58.26 | ``Erik | sips the beer he licensed O.o |
| 02:59.04 | ``Erik | (it's all good, I'll be done with it in a couple hours and delete my, uh, copy O.o) |
| 02:59.22 | starseeker | SpaceNavigator is awesome, but that makes me very wary of them |
| 02:59.45 | ``Erik | hrm, you weren't wary when you saw "a logitech company"? O:-) |
| 03:00.10 | starseeker | I mean, increased support sure, but do they claim that you CAN'T use the device, even unsupported, for commercial activities? |
| 03:00.27 | R0b0t1 | It's only cheating if you get caught. |
| 03:00.43 | ``Erik | imagines it would be a very short court case |
| 03:00.51 | starseeker | no kidding |
| 03:01.15 | starseeker | I thought the rule with hardware was still "I bought it, it's mine now" |
| 03:01.35 | starseeker | unless 3Dconnexion thinks they're "renting" the things... |
| 03:02.00 | starseeker | https://3dconnexionstore.com/itemDetail.asp?itmNo=77826423N |
| 03:02.12 | starseeker | "allows for commercial use..." WTF? |
| 03:02.13 | ``Erik | they're a corporation, they're gonna keep pushing the limits until they get smacked down... I mean, just look at http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/06/1639252/Cable-Exec-Suggests-Changing-Consumer-Behavior-Not-Business-Model?art_pos=9&art_pos=9 |
| 03:02.47 | starseeker | wonders if they mean "allows" in the sense of "makes possible due to having proper support" |
| 03:02.49 | R0b0t1 | The fuck |
| 03:02.51 | R0b0t1 | That is weird. |
| 03:03.22 | ``Erik | be amusing to throw that link on hn or something to see the geek riot |
| 03:03.51 | R0b0t1 | The world needs more extremists... Because they're the only people who seem to get things done. |
| 03:04.06 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:04.09 | starseeker | if they mean that in the "thou shalt not do anything commercial with this hardware without a proper license" my motivation to write up BRL-CAD support for it goes byebye |
| 03:04.28 | ``Erik | send it to rms, he'll show up at logitech hq, steal the food off their plates and emit body odors :D *duck* |
| 03:07.09 | starseeker | considers emailing 3D for clarification... wonder if they'd respond or not |
| 03:07.49 | starseeker | yay, a working merge |
| 03:07.54 | starseeker | now, one final distcheck |
| 03:09.53 | ``Erik | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=14566 heh |
| 03:11.19 | ``Erik | zomfg O.O http://tinyurl.com/6d7xo4 I need one |
| 03:11.50 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh - that first one could be a Despair poster |
| 03:12.04 | brlcad | more than likely, commercial use just invalidates support, software driver updates, liability, .. you're on your own |
| 03:12.17 | ``Erik | notes that starseeker hasn't poked around motivatedphotso much |
| 03:12.43 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, that's what I figured - they word it very badly though |
| 03:13.00 | brlcad | more likely, just a way to milk a little more money because businesses will have to get the more expensive one |
| 03:13.27 | ``Erik | still seems low trying to constrain use like that |
| 03:20.23 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm - I doubt their SDK license is compatible - does that mean we're looking at reverse engineering it? |
| 03:20.43 | starseeker | http://www.3dconnexion.com/support/4h.php |
| 03:23.13 | R0b0t1 | *sigh* |
| 03:23.30 | R0b0t1 | I still get "MGED unable to initialize gui, reverting to classic mode." |
| 03:23.34 | R0b0t1 | Anything else I could try? |
| 03:23.50 | brlcad | ?ot |
| 03:24.01 | brlcad | starseeker: it's not unlike the pro/e and unigraphics plugins |
| 03:24.23 | brlcad | we're not redistributing the sdk |
| 03:24.58 | starseeker | ah - so we don't have to have it present in BRL-CAD to make use of the device? |
| 03:26.15 | starseeker | (since this device is available for <$100 even in the worst case, it would be nice to have everything needed to use it with BRL-CAD already in BRL-CAD...) |
| 03:26.19 | brlcad | those terms would apply to the dev compiling and their use of the sdk -- our code remains ours |
| 03:26.34 | brlcad | everything is pretty much already in brl-cad |
| 03:27.02 | brlcad | there are bindings for those 6-dof already, at least event-wise |
| 03:27.28 | brlcad | could even pass them through as key-bindings and use their simple gui control panel to emulate key stokes |
| 03:28.57 | brlcad | R0b0t1: really? that's an a clean installed enable-all build?? find that hard to believe |
| 03:29.14 | brlcad | unless you dont' have X running or something |
| 03:29.25 | R0b0t1 | Hmm |
| 03:29.27 | R0b0t1 | YEah. |
| 03:29.34 | R0b0t1 | Pretty sure I have X running. :p |
| 03:30.02 | R0b0t1 | brlcad: Yeah, it's all of what you said. |
| 03:30.02 | R0b0t1 | :S |
| 03:31.23 | brlcad | if you run fbhelp, what does it output? |
| 03:31.32 | brlcad | and does it flash a window |
| 03:31.53 | brlcad | er, display a window |
| 03:32.13 | brlcad | pastebin the fbhelp output |
| 03:32.21 | brlcad | ~bzpaste |
| 03:32.22 | ibot | hmm... bzpaste is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 03:32.25 | brlcad | there |
| 03:32.32 | brlcad | (the .com sucks) |
| 03:33.18 | ``Erik | *cough* make paste.brlcad.org work *cough* O:-) |
| 03:33.42 | brlcad | somebody hear something? |
| 03:33.48 | brlcad | hm, must have been the wind |
| 03:33.50 | ``Erik | wonders if bwish would be a good trial |
| 03:34.22 | ``Erik | ponders saving wind up all weekend for brlcad's office O.o nahhh, coudln't do that to d-lo |
| 03:34.35 | brlcad | bwish was next .. wanted to see what was compiled first, and verify that X is working first |
| 03:34.53 | brlcad | right, you totally could/would do that to d-lo |
| 03:35.22 | ``Erik | ok, I couldn't do that to my hiney. O.o |
| 03:35.53 | R0b0t1 | brlcad: Sorry |
| 03:35.57 | R0b0t1 | And yes, a window appears. |
| 03:36.29 | R0b0t1 | brlcad: http://pastebin.com/m4cbd8971 |
| 03:37.40 | starseeker | RObOt1: use pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 03:39.07 | R0b0t1 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m50e8a7f |
| 03:40.24 | brlcad | hm, you enabled ogl |
| 03:40.32 | brlcad | so next up, run bwish |
| 03:40.48 | ``Erik | ogl shouldn't interfer with tk, though |
| 03:40.52 | brlcad | does it display a window? |
| 03:41.20 | brlcad | the embedded dm-ogl might be having trouble initializing if he's got a crap card/config/combo |
| 03:43.18 | R0b0t1 | Aha |
| 03:43.22 | R0b0t1 | I might have to install tcl |
| 03:43.39 | brlcad | heh, I asked if you installed :) |
| 03:43.48 | R0b0t1 | Hmm |
| 03:43.52 | R0b0t1 | It is installed, as I thought. |
| 03:44.18 | brlcad | are you running the installed binary or the in-dir compiled binary? |
| 03:44.27 | R0b0t1 | Says something about not finding ./tcl8.5.1/library/init.tcl |
| 03:44.32 | R0b0t1 | installed |
| 03:45.20 | starseeker | that's not the version we have in any recent tarball |
| 03:45.50 | brlcad | yeah, that's not ours |
| 03:45.51 | R0b0t1 | Eh |
| 03:45.55 | starseeker | maybe a distclean + ./configure --enable-all ? |
| 03:46.40 | brlcad | or even starting over with a fresh checkout/download and build/install |
| 03:46.44 | R0b0t1 | No rule to make distclean? |
| 03:46.50 | brlcad | sounds like you got something stale |
| 03:47.06 | starseeker | R0b0t1: unless brlcad tells you different, give this a go from your top level brlcad directory: make distclean && ./autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-all && make |
| 03:47.30 | starseeker | then (as root unless you have other permissions set up for /usr/brlcad) make install |
| 03:48.07 | R0b0t1 | make[1]: *** No rule to make target distclean. stop. |
| 03:48.13 | starseeker | blinks |
| 03:48.19 | starseeker | what directory are you in? |
| 03:48.32 | R0b0t1 | brlcad-7.16.0, where I unziped the tarball. |
| 03:49.15 | starseeker | um. ok, just blow away the old directory and re-unzip the tarball |
| 03:49.16 | brlcad | is that where you compiled? |
| 03:49.48 | brlcad | you did something wrong or you're in the wrong dir or you already ran a partial/full distclean before |
| 03:56.08 | R0b0t1 | Well, I re-untar'd, doing everything but the make distclean |
| 03:59.21 | starseeker | how's it going? |
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| 04:02.25 | R0b0t1 | starseeker: Chugging along... |
| 04:06.23 | R0b0t1 | Oh, docbooks, almost done |
| 04:08.53 | R0b0t1 | starseeker: brlcad: Still the same error. |
| 04:10.37 | R0b0t1 | I mean, no GUI. |
| 04:10.42 | starseeker | after a make install |
| 04:10.45 | R0b0t1 | yes |
| 04:10.54 | starseeker | /usr/brlcad/bin/mged ? |
| 04:11.17 | R0b0t1 | ... |
| 04:11.19 | R0b0t1 | Hmm |
| 04:11.26 | R0b0t1 | That's really odd. Because that works. |
| 04:11.40 | starseeker | do "which mged" |
| 04:11.52 | starseeker | without the quotes |
| 04:12.05 | R0b0t1 | /bin/mget |
| 04:12.07 | R0b0t1 | aha |
| 04:12.15 | starseeker | bingo |
| 04:12.49 | R0b0t1 | I put the brlcad before the others. |
| 04:12.51 | R0b0t1 | Now it works :) |
| 04:13.06 | starseeker | cool - have fun :-) |
| 04:14.11 | R0b0t1 | One quick thing -- how do I make a database? |
| 04:14.18 | R0b0t1 | Swear that's my last question. |
| 04:15.10 | starseeker | File->New... in mged will work |
| 04:15.34 | R0b0t1 | Yeah, I was doing that, but it fails with "no database is currently opened |
| 04:15.45 | starseeker | or if you supply a nonexisting name to mged as a command line argument, it will ask if you want to create it |
| 04:15.49 | starseeker | e.g. mged test.g |
| 04:16.13 | starseeker | oh, was it now... |
| 04:16.20 | starseeker | checks |
| 04:16.51 | starseeker | hmm, works in latest svn |
| 04:17.09 | R0b0t1 | Oh, there we go. |
| 04:17.11 | R0b0t1 | Now it works. |
| 04:17.14 | R0b0t1 | Ok, thanks :) |
| 04:17.23 | R0b0t1 | starts playing with his brlcad and goes lurking |
| 04:18.34 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36451 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS TODO src/util/Makefile.am src/util/pix-ppm.1): added a man page for the pix-ppm command |
| 04:19.47 | starseeker | wonders if anyone has ever used a SpaceNavigator to play quake ;-) |
| 04:24.07 | yukonbob | R0b0t1: enjoy!!!!!1 |
| 04:31.39 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36452 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (1295 files in 115 dirs): merge trunk to STABLE from r36077 to HEAD r36450 |
| 04:31.51 | brlcad | hah, down to the wire.. nice! |
| 04:32.01 | brlcad | ~starseeker++ |
| 04:32.12 | yukonbob | this going to be a point-release? |
| 04:32.51 | brlcad | they're all point-something :) |
| 04:32.57 | starseeker | retreats for some sleep (die evil cold germs, die...) |
| 04:33.04 | yukonbob | :P pbfffffft |
| 04:33.16 | brlcad | starseeker: catch some rest this weekend finally/hopefully :) |
| 04:33.19 | brlcad | nice work |
| 04:33.29 | starseeker | thanks - you too! |
| 04:33.31 | brlcad | merge went a lot easier with those instructions? |
| 04:33.36 | starseeker | FAR easier |
| 04:33.41 | brlcad | great |
| 04:34.07 | starseeker | should send that to the subversion guys to add into their standard docs |
| 04:34.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:34.26 | starseeker | will probably reappear in ~20 hours or so |
| 04:34.36 | brlcad | the bad part is needing to manually keep track of your last merge point |
| 04:34.43 | brlcad | it should figure that part out |
| 04:35.23 | brlcad | understandable why it works the way it does, but from a usability standpoint, it can definitely be improved without breaking the philosophy |
| 04:36.32 | yukonbob | was shocked other day when somebody mentioned Tcl 8.5.0 came out ~2 years ago... which is ~ when I lost a grip on building brlcad on my machine -- now I only relive the glory days of spinning wireframes in my memory... |
| 04:36.58 | yukonbob | soon, I'll get it up/running again. |
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| 13:59.43 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36457 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (14 files in 6 dirs): merge trunk to STABLE from r36450 to HEAD r36456 |
| 14:05.18 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36458 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): bump to 7.16.3 in anticipation of 7.16.4 being the next release iteration. |
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| 14:23.54 | ``Erik | hm Benchmark results indicate an approximate VGR performance metric of 26678 |
| 14:30.32 | brlcad | not bad, on par with an oct-core mac |
| 14:32.26 | ``Erik | oct-core xeon 3ghz, 64g ram, running rhel5 |
| 14:32.35 | ``Erik | we have 3 now |
| 14:32.58 | brlcad | ah, okay, so basically same config |
| 14:33.08 | brlcad | as the macs, just catching up |
| 14:33.12 | ``Erik | <-- points at the ram |
| 14:33.16 | ``Erik | slight advantage :) |
| 14:33.43 | ``Erik | less syscall overhead, but more suckage in other aspects *shrug* just another resource |
| 14:33.44 | brlcad | I don't think we've pushed the 16GB barrier yet :) |
| 14:34.32 | ``Erik | thinks the marching cubes thing will generate some very ugly meshes pre-decimation, might do the trick |
| 14:37.55 | brlcad | how long does a ./configure --enable-all default compilation take? |
| 14:45.47 | ``Erik | hm, I was building over nfs |
| 14:59.24 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36459 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: |
| 14:59.26 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: if any of the benchmark tests fail, blather loudly that the testing failed with |
| 14:59.28 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: instructions to the user. this should cause the benchmark to halt compilation |
| 14:59.30 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: testing (via make check or make bench) and avoids writing out 0 values into the |
| 14:59.32 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: summary file. |
| 15:08.28 | ``Erik | configure --enable-all, source on nfs, build on local disk: real 3m7.083s | user 12m45.142s | sys 7m25.372s |
| 15:08.51 | ``Erik | time ( $HOME/src/brlcad/configure --enable-all && make -sj13) |
| 15:09.21 | brlcad | hm, that's actually not too shabby |
| 15:09.25 | ``Erik | woops |
| 15:09.32 | ``Erik | 16 core machine, I only did 13 |
| 15:09.45 | ``Erik | note that the source was all cached up from a previous build, too |
| 15:09.49 | brlcad | a 16 core gave 27k vgr? |
| 15:09.54 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 15:09.59 | ``Erik | it is linux, after all |
| 15:10.01 | brlcad | that don't sound right |
| 15:10.11 | ``Erik | remakes -j17 |
| 15:10.19 | brlcad | sure it's not 8-core with hyperthreading? |
| 15:10.20 | ``Erik | oh, hah, I don't think I did --enable-optimized for the benchmark |
| 15:10.25 | brlcad | ahh |
| 15:10.29 | ``Erik | xeon cpu's |
| 15:10.31 | brlcad | that'd be about right then |
| 15:10.45 | ``Erik | kicks the tires some more |
| 15:10.46 | brlcad | would expect 40-50k |
| 15:11.47 | ``Erik | dang step and opennurbs, jacking the build time O.o :D |
| 15:11.59 | brlcad | and the docs ;) |
| 15:12.12 | ``Erik | yeah heh |
| 15:12.19 | brlcad | that would probably be a 1min build without the trio |
| 15:12.27 | brlcad | maybe 2min |
| 15:12.53 | ``Erik | imagine shifting to a single dir build |
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| 15:13.34 | ``Erik | -sj31: real 3m27.715s | user 13m49.803s | sys 10m25.144s |
| 15:14.08 | brlcad | yeah, looks like sys is saturated around 13 :) |
| 15:14.13 | ``Erik | cache spaz, I imagine |
| 15:14.33 | brlcad | or is that enable-optimized? |
| 15:14.55 | brlcad | usually test compile time unoptimized, benchmark optimized |
| 15:15.17 | brlcad | optimized compile time jacks things up |
| 15:15.26 | ``Erik | build was unoptimized, am building optimized now for bench |
| 15:16.47 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36460 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: let the user know about 'benckmark clean' to remove the plethora of pix files that get generated. make clean mention clobber to remove the log files. |
| 15:18.07 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36461 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: clean up stable sync instructions since it's always safe to grab CURR, and might as well export PREV so the rest can be copy-pasted without change. |
| 15:25.13 | ``Erik | 'double t diner' kinda confuses me... it's not... really... a diner... more a normal restaurant, half attempting to be upscale, with a couple diner hints to the decor O.o |
| 15:25.32 | ``Erik | I mean, c'mon, a diner with a bar? O.O |
| 15:27.48 | brlcad | at least they didn't name it the "Double D Diner" .. that would have probably attracted a totally different clientelle |
| 15:28.05 | ``Erik | indeed, I would've gone there much sooner |
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| 19:09.31 | yukonbob | It's not a diner unless it's got a rotating showcase of lemon marangue pies |
| 19:12.11 | archivist | luvs lemon marangue pie |
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| 19:59.27 | starseeker | ``Erik: I keep telling ya, disable the doc build if it bugs you ;-) |
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| 20:31.49 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36462 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep_debug.cpp: additional face details added to "brep brep.s info F 0" command |
| 20:49.02 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36463 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: use 3d curve bounding boxes to ensure linear extrusion sized properly, also checks that both the origin and face bounding box are used to determine extents of cylindrical surface |
| 20:56.25 | ``Erik | hey, a patch bump, nifty |
| 20:57.41 | starseeker | yeah, should be just about ready to roll |
| 21:18.12 | ``Erik | yup, one of them stepped on my laptop again. *sigh*. |
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| 21:18.27 | starseeker | The Cats Strike? |
| 21:18.54 | ``Erik | wonders if changing the ground to something with a high potential would fuck up the circuitry |
| 21:19.07 | ``Erik | probably would on discharge into the cat... :/ |
| 21:19.17 | ``Erik | motion sensor spray-bottles I guess |
| 21:19.21 | starseeker | just put the laptop in a box or something |
| 21:19.42 | ``Erik | heh |
| 21:19.49 | ``Erik | unless they knocked the power cord loose... O.o |
| 21:19.55 | starseeker | aaah |
| 21:19.56 | ``Erik | will have to discover the damage when he gets home |
| 21:20.09 | starseeker | so, how do you like having cats? ;-P |
| 21:20.23 | ``Erik | depends on if they're being turds or not |
| 21:20.36 | ``Erik | what's the phrase? "I like kids... other peoples kids..."? |
| 21:22.45 | ``Erik | "we can hear you having sex" is such an excellent ssid |
| 21:23.07 | ``Erik | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/epic-fail-wireless-network-fail.jpg |
| 21:24.44 | starseeker | heh: "First Law of Bicycling: No matter which way you ride, it's uphill and against the wind." |
| 21:26.24 | starseeker | hmm... multithreaded kpathsea library in TeXLive |
| 21:26.46 | starseeker | and the TeXLive build uses automake |
| 21:26.53 | starseeker | must investigate this 2009 release |
| 21:27.05 | ``Erik | isn't kpathsea mostly io bound? wouldn't multithreading just screw the pooch for disk read sequencing? |
| 21:27.24 | starseeker | probably depends on the system |
| 21:27.39 | starseeker | has a small, slow, crappy system by modern standards |
| 21:27.53 | ``Erik | pats his pIII 650mhz with 128m ram |
| 21:28.02 | ``Erik | and a massive 20g hdd |
| 21:29.49 | starseeker | sights fondly - I remember when 1 Gig was huge and they were talking like 100 Terabytes to back up the entire internet |
| 21:30.19 | ``Erik | I was just remarking earlier that I was using a 64gb ram machine and started with a 64kb ram machine... |
| 21:32.24 | starseeker | wonders if 3D printing will be the next big game changer for personal computers |
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| 21:32.49 | starseeker | (real, high quality 3D printing that is) |
| 21:33.59 | starseeker | does NOT remember fondly the days trying to fit powerpoint presentations for a class onto 1.4 meg floppies |
| 21:34.14 | starseeker | even zip disks were SO welcome |
| 21:47.35 | ``Erik | heh |
| 21:48.39 | ``Erik | started with 4 track cassettes, then upgraded to 5.25" disks... the 3.5" was insane, you could partition it and shove BUNCHES of 5 1/4 inchers on a single disk, it was almost like a hard drive! |
| 21:49.24 | yukonbob | ``Erik: !!650Mhz |
| 21:49.29 | yukonbob | model name : Pentium Pro |
| 21:49.29 | yukonbob | stepping : 9 |
| 21:49.29 | yukonbob | cpu MHz : 199.313 |
| 21:49.45 | yukonbob | <napolean dynamite>lucky</napolean dynamite> |
| 21:50.35 | ``Erik | heh, I still have a 120mhz cyrix 5x86 with 48m ram and a 1.6gb disk (with debian on it), does that count? :0 |
| 21:50.38 | ``Erik | :) |
| 21:50.57 | ``Erik | http://thegreatgeekmanual.com/images/geekhistory/june/coleco-adam-computer.jpg <-- was his first 'real' computer |
| 21:51.46 | ``Erik | and a book called "games apples play", which meant porting apple basic to the cp/m basic the coleco used |
| 21:52.09 | ``Erik | I think that was the name of the book, been a while |
| 21:52.33 | ``Erik | had spiral binding and iirc, drawing of goofy robots |
| 21:52.55 | ``Erik | shakes his walker at the whippersnappers |
| 21:54.51 | yukonbob | w00t!! Adam with the printer that was a critical part of the system... |
| 21:54.59 | yukonbob | had one of those... |
| 21:55.07 | yukonbob | with it's mock Apple II basic |
| 21:56.41 | yukonbob | had a game that used the printer... it was a military game that send you communications on the ptr as if they were send "over the wire" from some remote headquarters. |
| 21:56.48 | ``Erik | hm, didn't the apple][ use a modified ms-basic? (almost all the microcomputer basics were derived from micro-softs iirc) |
| 21:57.03 | ``Erik | printer, powersupply, whatever |
| 21:57.06 | yukonbob | <-- not actually sure... |
| 21:57.37 | yukonbob | is recalling the gfx via "hgr" and "hplot" |
| 21:57.41 | yukonbob | (iirc) |
| 21:58.04 | yukonbob | hgr ,and hgr2 (?) |
| 21:58.16 | yukonbob | hplot x1, y1 to x2, y2 |
| 21:59.09 | yukonbob | apples I used were IIc and IIe |
| 21:59.39 | ``Erik | <-- went from the adam to the c64, c128, c64c, then a very brief stint using dos/win31, then linux |
| 22:00.09 | ``Erik | brief like 6 months, after 2 I was telnetting to the isp's linux box, then wiping dos and installing linux... |
| 22:00.17 | yukonbob | no 128, but insert few Amigas in there... |
| 22:00.52 | yukonbob | my intro to linux was similar, but from Win 95. |
| 22:01.03 | ``Erik | reboot the 486 with the special doom2 boot disk (since the box only had 4 megs ram, couldn't have shit like himem loaded...) |
| 22:01.05 | yukonbob | then compiling NCSA Mosaic to browse the interwebs. |
| 22:01.20 | ``Erik | yehhhhh, my 6mo of win31 was in '96, I grew up po' |
| 22:02.17 | yukonbob | gives ``Erik a cookie. |
| 22:02.39 | yukonbob | now look at you... all grown up and p0wning *BSD |
| 22:02.55 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:03.05 | ``Erik | fbsd is hardly a pricey toy |
| 22:03.18 | yukonbob | true... |
| 22:05.00 | ``Erik | <-- trying to decide if he wants to buy a sheeva openrd-client and a 1-1.5tb usb drive, or get a cheap dull box or something :/ |
| 22:06.11 | yukonbob | sheeva == more smiles, I'm sure. |
| 22:07.09 | ``Erik | yeh, mebbe I'll get both, but I want to replace the p3 |
| 22:12.24 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36464 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/keep.c: |
| 22:12.26 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: BAH! .. bu_optind has to be manually reset before bu_getopt(), otherwise we'll |
| 22:12.28 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: get whatever previous bu_optind there was. this should fix the problem victor |
| 22:12.30 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: noticed in sf bug 2890876 ( Keep command in mged is creating a file named keep |
| 22:12.32 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: ). |
| 22:15.41 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36465 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/libged/keep.c: |
| 22:15.43 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: apply the initialization fix so 'keep' isn't broken. change should merge |
| 22:15.45 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: cleanly with the previous trunk sync revision. slipping in to the release only |
| 22:15.47 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: because it's not been tagged yet (and is a one-liner safe initialization). |
| 22:17.24 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36466 10/brlcad/tags/rel-7-16-2/: tagging release 7.16.2 |
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| 23:37.57 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36467 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/human.c: looks like human has the same problem as kill, need to init bu_getopt() |
| 23:42.07 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36468 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (cad_boundp.c cad_parea.c mged.c): few more bu_optind init-to-zeros just for sanity sake (as they're the first calls in their respective main() funcs) |
| 23:57.17 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36469 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: sf.net FRS changed slightly. path is different as our whole file release hierarchy is now traversable. should reorganize sometime soon to take advantage of this change.. until then, say what it is now. |
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| 11:24.46 | brlcad | hm, golang is pretty nifty |
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| 13:05.24 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:48.38 | ``Erik | looks at go and scratches his chin |
| 14:51.41 | ``Erik | i,j=j,i; cute |
| 14:53.01 | ``Erik | object system is almost reminiscint of clos or something |
| 14:53.22 | ``Erik | the 'go' keyword looks fairly similar to jabba threading to me |
| 14:57.36 | ``Erik | installs mercurial |
| 15:36.28 | mafm | let's go and reimplement brlcad in go |
| 15:36.30 | mafm | :P |
| 15:42.26 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:42.58 | brlcad | would be interesting to implement a raytracer in it |
| 15:53.57 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36470 10/brlcad/branches/trimnurbs-branch/: the trimnurbs-branch branch is no longer necessary, served its purpose. openNURBS work is merged onto trunk and far advanced from the branch. |
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| 16:05.04 | mafm | the syntax is less readable than in C, it seems to me |
| 16:05.34 | mafm | with all the indices of the arrays, it can be quite confusing for things like the raytracer |
| 16:18.20 | brlcad | trivial differences |
| 16:19.26 | brlcad | the interesting parts would be leverging the concurrency model and interfaces |
| 19:42.33 | ``Erik | lack of pointer math seems like one of those "protect the masses btu inhibit the skilled programmers" moves |
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| 20:54.35 | ``Erik | nifty /dev/da0s1 1418376502 170878 1304735504 0% /mnt/da0s1 |
| 21:10.28 | brlcad | 1.5TB? |
| 21:17.10 | ``Erik | yup |
| 21:18.00 | ``Erik | went out shopping today |
| 21:18.10 | ``Erik | that puppy is on a 650mhz p3 right now O.o |
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| 22:01.24 | yukonbob | ``Erik: is there any issue w/ firmware being able to address such a device? |
| 22:11.52 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36471 10/brlcad/branches/ (6 files in 6 dirs): remove all of the imported cvs branches, none of them are active nor is it desirable that they be active (with backported changes). so obliterate them to the bowels of history. |
| 00:58.11 | ``Erik | yukonbob: I imagine the bios wouldn't be able to, but fbsd (and linux, and windows, and haiku, and...) don't use the bios after the bootloader starts up |
| 01:02.41 | yukonbob | ``Erik: ya -- that's what I thought, but there's confusion surrounding that so I get conflicting messages... |
| 01:03.14 | yukonbob | so, may require special consideration as a potential boot device, otherwise, all's well |
| 01:03.18 | yukonbob | nice... |
| 01:12.46 | ``Erik | I doubt the p3 has the ability to boot from usb? |
| 01:12.52 | ``Erik | so *shrug* |
| 01:13.00 | ``Erik | seems to be working fine as a secondary drive |
| 01:17.42 | yukonbob | re: USB -- probably --- again, bios issue, but I'm saying if it were on PCI SATA controller, for example... (assuming this is a SATA disk). |
| 01:18.02 | yukonbob | watching Rob Pike talk about "go" |
| 01:18.06 | yukonbob | *golang |
| 01:20.43 | ``Erik | not to be confused with go! |
| 01:21.08 | ``Erik | <-- hasn't gone sata on any of his home machines, is still all pata |
| 01:21.29 | Ralith | ``Erik: how the hell do you get 1.5TB on a p3? |
| 01:21.38 | Ralith | I can't imagine the mobo being sufficiently up to date |
| 01:21.42 | yukonbob | hahaha |
| 01:21.48 | yukonbob | Ralith: read scrollback ;)( |
| 01:21.52 | Ralith | ah, I see. |
| 01:21.53 | yukonbob | * ;) |
| 01:23.32 | yukonbob | hrmm... HP to buy 3Com $2.7B |
| 01:25.50 | ``Erik | amusing, 3com was yet another company started after xerox ignored what came out of PARC, being sold for 40% of xerox's market cap |
| 01:29.37 | Ralith | heh |
| 01:35.01 | yukonbob | now bob metcalfe can re-stuff his $1000-bill matress |
| 01:35.23 | yukonbob | with gold bricks :P |
| 01:37.27 | ``Erik | can't be comfortable... but this is a man who eats blended paper *shrug* |
| 01:44.44 | yukonbob | made of $1000 bills? |
| 01:45.09 | yukonbob | sure doesn't like apple laptops, nor OS X |
| 01:45.40 | yukonbob | gimme BSD on a thinkpad... |
| 01:47.10 | ``Erik | nah, according to his wikipedia page, he predicted some major meltdown of the internet in the mid 90's, said he'd eat his words if it didn't happen... so he printed up his whitepaper on it, threw it in the blender and ate it on stage somewhere |
| 01:47.46 | ``Erik | <-- is comfortable with osX as a platform for running firefox, ssh and wow O.o |
| 01:48.09 | ``Erik | just a handful of fixes to make it a little more BSD-ish and it rolls ok |
| 01:49.08 | yukonbob | running 10.4 on an old (g4) powerbook |
| 01:49.30 | ``Erik | g4 powerbook was a decent machine, I thought |
| 01:49.54 | ``Erik | re-enable the root account, sudo ln -s /Users /home, install macports, ... :) |
| 01:50.31 | ``Erik | I'm using xquartz instead of apples x11.app |
| 01:50.45 | ``Erik | and xterm instead of terminal.app |
| 01:51.43 | ``Erik | defaults -write org.x.x11 -bool wm_ffm true |
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| 05:08.48 | starseeker | ``Erik: I knew rice paper had to be good for something... |
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| 11:23.03 | d-lo | 1.5TB on a p3 650. Nice :) Sounds kinda like a 3-cyl in a tractor trailer! |
| 12:10.43 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36472 10/brlcad/branches/ (34 files in 17 dirs): rename from dmtogl-branch to just dmtogl. the -branch was a cvs convention that svn takes care of with a branches parent dir. not clear why the windows files are marked as modified as they still have CRLF line endings |
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| 13:38.46 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1642 10/wiki/Talk:Main_Page: |
| 13:41.13 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1643 10/wiki/Talk:Main_Page: |
| 13:41.43 | brlcad | no objections whatsoever.. |
| 13:48.54 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1644 10/wiki/Talk:Main_Page: reply to ssd |
| 13:57.27 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1645 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_3ptarb: example of removing prefix from category |
| 13:58.47 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1646 10/wiki/Category:MGED: every category should have a description of some sort? |
| 14:03.21 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1647 10/wiki/Talk:Main_Page: |
| 14:26.08 | ``Erik | brlcad: lee is whining about not getting dns info |
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| 14:52.04 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36473 10/isst/trunk/src/ (gui.c main.c): constify some, quell warnings |
| 14:58.31 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1648 10/wiki/Documentation: lift this page up in the category list |
| 14:59.50 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1649 10/wiki/Category:Development: New page: [[category:documentation]] |
| 15:00.30 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1650 10/wiki/Developing_applications: |
| 15:04.21 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1651 10/wiki/Category:Design_Documents: New page: [[category:documentation]] |
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| 15:09.17 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1653 10/wiki/Category:Development: category already existed? oops |
| 15:10.35 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1654 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Commands: |
| 15:11.59 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1655 10/wiki/Category:Commands: New page: [[category:documentation]] |
| 15:12.16 | ``Erik | "two go's considered harmful" *snicker* |
| 15:13.10 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1656 10/wiki/MGED: |
| 15:15.07 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1657 10/wiki/Hex: category, wikify format |
| 15:15.28 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1658 10/wiki/Third_Party_Utilities: |
| 15:18.37 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1659 10/wiki/Mged: merge back what I added to [[MGED]] |
| 15:18.45 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1660 10/wiki/MGED: merging with [[Mged]] although the merge should go the other way prob (someone with more access can delete this page and move the other) |
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| 15:24.34 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1668 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application_Guidelines: |
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| 15:30.02 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1680 10/wiki/Pl-fb: |
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| 02:37.24 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:05.06 | Emton | hey all |
| 06:05.30 | Emton | been trying to compile this bad boy on cygwin |
| 06:05.58 | Emton | any know if some of the tools like pix-png are available for download |
| 06:06.38 | Emton | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../src/conv/asc2g', needed by `operators.as |
| 06:06.45 | Emton | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 15:20.19 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Qr9ken26z9dh24g 07http://brlcad.org * r1683 10/wiki/User:Qr9ken26z9dh24g: New page: Was to be sure rather short and thin himself. Her skin was light brown her face and torso out of some adolescent male's fantasies the eyes unnaturally large the lips too thick and sensuous... |
| 15:23.55 | ``Erik | hm, I don't seem to have wiki "sysop" privs |
| 16:09.15 | brlcad | ``Erik: you should |
| 16:09.27 | brlcad | what's your user? |
| 16:10.58 | ``Erik | Erik |
| 16:11.13 | ``Erik | brlcad: gonna be in the area in ~30m? lunch? |
| 16:12.25 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Erik from (none) to sysop: add to sysops |
| 16:12.53 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Erik from sysop to sysop, bureaucrat |
| 16:13.20 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Starseeker from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat |
| 16:14.00 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Mafm from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat |
| 16:14.21 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Rossberg from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat |
| 16:15.56 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/delete: |
| 16:15.58 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: deleted "[[User:Qr9ken26z9dh24g]]": content was: 'Was to be sure rather short |
| 16:16.00 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: and thin himself. Her skin was light brown her face and torso out of some |
| 16:16.04 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: adolescent male's fantasies the eyes unnaturally...' (and the only contributor |
| 16:16.06 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: was '[[Special:Contributions/Qr9ken26z9dh24g|Qr9ken26z9dh24g]]') |
| 16:16.16 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Qr9ken26z9dh24g]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Inserting nonsense/gibberish into pages |
| 16:18.22 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Dloman from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat |
| 16:20.55 | mafm | brlcad: sysop, bureaucrat? don't insult me! |
| 16:36.28 | brlcad | haha |
| 16:36.40 | brlcad | i have no idea what that bureaucrat group is for |
| 16:37.15 | brlcad | can't wait to announce this next big release |
| 16:38.36 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || Release 7.16.2 posted (20091106) .. full binary release! | |
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| 17:29.01 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36475 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/AttrGroupsDisplayUtility.tcl: Mark the selected item using a grey background. |
| 17:30.57 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36476 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Component pick now prints a string to the command window instead of popping up another window. |
| 17:53.59 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36477 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/images/Themes/Crystal/compErase.png: Adding a new image for component erase button. |
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| 17:55.37 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36479 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/images/Themes/Crystal_Large/compErase.png: Adding a new image for component erase button. |
| 18:06.52 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36480 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/images/Themes/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Include reference to compErase.png |
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| 18:11.14 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36481 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/Ged.tcl: Added a new method: clear_mouse_ray_callback_list. Also, now catching call to shoot_ray. |
| 18:13.19 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36482 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Added a component erase mode. |
| 18:27.55 | louipc | whoa momma! |
| 18:31.29 | ``Erik | hm, tk86 uses cocoa natively on osX |
| 19:35.09 | yukonbob | is curren svn head 7.16.2? |
| 19:35.49 | yukonbob | *current |
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| 20:26.02 | starseeker | yukonbob: not quite - there are a few new changes |
| 20:26.04 | starseeker | but pretty close |
| 20:32.27 | ``Erik | hm, water on the moon |
| 20:35.33 | starseeker | great, another excuse for a new bottled water brand |
| 20:35.54 | starseeker | "New - Moon Water! With a flavor out of this world!" |
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| 20:37.19 | Emton | hello? |
| 20:38.20 | starseeker | howdy |
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| 20:44.07 | ``Erik | heh, starseeker: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1443060&cid=30090924 |
| 20:44.39 | starseeker | :-D |
| 20:45.03 | starseeker | for the record, I am not PolarBearFire and I didn't see that comment ahead of time :-P |
| 20:46.42 | yukonbob | http://random-state.net/log/3467117369.html |
| 20:46.50 | yukonbob | ^-- raytracing in lisp |
| 20:47.01 | ``Erik | yup, already downloaded it |
| 20:47.13 | yukonbob | so you nerds have something to fantasize about |
| 20:47.29 | ``Erik | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=940568 |
| 20:47.36 | starseeker | sweeet |
| 20:48.34 | yukonbob | MIT licensed, too |
| 20:51.59 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36483 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Fixed a bug in go_rt_gettrees that allowed access beyond the argv's capacity. |
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| 20:57.48 | starseeker | cool - reverse engineering a fly to get motion identification algorithms |
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| 21:19.58 | Emton | hey |
| 21:20.08 | Emton | anyone still here |
| 21:20.09 | Emton | ? |
| 21:20.22 | yukonbob | "still"? |
| 21:20.22 | yukonbob | yes |
| 21:20.32 | Emton | been trying to convert the pix via ImageMagick |
| 21:20.43 | Emton | convert seems to give me problems tho |
| 21:20.53 | Emton | have any of you tried it? |
| 21:21.06 | yukonbob | can you ellaborate, Emton |
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| 21:21.39 | Emton | >convert -size 200x200 -depth 8 my.pix my.png |
| 21:21.55 | Emton | convert: Unexpected end-of-file |
| 21:22.27 | Emton | whoops, old paste my.pix -> my.rgb |
| 21:22.31 | ``Erik | convert won't know pix |
| 21:22.39 | ``Erik | use pix-png |
| 21:22.52 | Emton | hehe, yea i renamed to my.rgb |
| 21:23.13 | Emton | it is rgb raw format no? |
| 21:23.33 | Emton | i would use pix-png but it won't compile on cygwin for me |
| 21:24.21 | ``Erik | hrm, what does it do when you try to compile it? |
| 21:24.27 | ``Erik | missing png? |
| 21:24.45 | Emton | problems w/dynamic constants yada yada.. |
| 21:25.08 | Emton | the libfb doesn't have a *.la and other things |
| 21:25.17 | ``Erik | doesn't have yiddishcc, doesn't know the yadda error |
| 21:25.18 | Emton | something is probably screwed up in my env |
| 21:25.31 | ``Erik | sounds like libtool isn't clicking right |
| 21:25.38 | ``Erik | in which case, rt shouldn't have compiled... |
| 21:25.54 | Emton | no it didn't, i'm using the Win Binaries to run it |
| 21:26.02 | Emton | i just tried to compile to get pix-png |
| 21:26.06 | ``Erik | ah, those didn't come with pix-png? |
| 21:26.15 | Emton | before i wiped it w/a make distclean i had a lot of it |
| 21:26.22 | Emton | no |
| 21:26.37 | Emton | pix-png is not in the win bin's |
| 21:27.41 | ``Erik | lame |
| 21:27.51 | Emton | yep |
| 21:28.19 | Emton | i can load the pix into adobe elements and convert but i'd rather use imagemagick if it's possible |
| 21:34.47 | ``Erik | hm, imagemagick changed their manpages, I'm wondering if the "RGB" format they list is the old SGI format that has a header on it |
| 21:35.43 | ``Erik | well, n, here's the format page, hrm |
| 21:39.01 | Emton | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/formats.php |
| 21:39.10 | Emton | RGB RW Raw red, green, and blue samples Use -size and -depth to specify the image width, height, and depth. To specify a single precision floating-point format, use -define quantum:format=floating-point. Set the depth to 64 for a double precision floating-point format. |
| 21:39.49 | Emton | according to what i've read this is what the pix format should be with 3 channels |
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| 21:42.01 | Emton | according to a tip i saw from *brlcad*, you can cat something like "P6 512 512 255" and rename to pnm |
| 21:42.17 | Emton | this not working for me either tho |
| 21:45.58 | Emton | and ya, first cat > file ..header.. then cat my.pix >> file |
| 21:51.58 | Emton | anyway i guess nobody know since they probably have pix-png going good but imagemagick scripting is useful for animations anyhow |
| 21:52.08 | Emton | if i find the answer i'll post it back up here |
| 21:54.07 | brlcad | not quite that simple, I believe the P6 has to be on a separate line? |
| 21:54.42 | Emton | hmm.. maybe that's why it didn't work - i'll try it |
| 21:54.50 | brlcad | there is also already pix-ppm ... |
| 21:55.04 | brlcad | pix-[tab][tab] |
| 21:55.13 | Emton | hehe.. yea, i have problems w/my cyg-win environment |
| 21:55.23 | Emton | cannot compile much |
| 21:55.58 | brlcad | hm, pix-ppm only depends on libbu, which is one of the first of our libs to compile |
| 21:56.40 | Emton | i would tell what worked and didn't but i did a 'make distclean' |
| 21:57.00 | Emton | last night, then downloaded a bunch of new libraries and it now goes nowhere |
| 21:57.38 | Emton | GOT IT!!! |
| 21:58.11 | Emton | convert -depth 8 -size 200x200 -channel RGB rgb:moss.raw moss.png |
| 21:58.18 | Emton | does the trick i was looking for |
| 21:58.33 | brlcad | Emton: was going to just say that, heh |
| 21:58.34 | Emton | what pix-png i suppose would do, i think IM can flip it too |
| 21:58.40 | Emton | lol |
| 21:58.45 | Emton | thanks anyway |
| 21:59.08 | brlcad | that imagic magick has support for raw formats as well, they just call it 'rgb' to not confuse it with the newer "raw" camera formats |
| 21:59.38 | Emton | yea, i read the descript and it looked similar enough |
| 21:59.40 | brlcad | rgba if we added an alpha channel (which I so hope we do soon) |
| 22:00.10 | Emton | yea, would be good but i think IM can convert and even swap a bg color for alpha |
| 22:00.16 | Emton | for now anyway |
| 22:00.27 | brlcad | so can we |
| 22:00.50 | Emton | yea, its powerful i don't know half of it |
| 22:01.04 | brlcad | pix format predates alpha channelling, so most all of our tools have a concept of a background color that is used as the alpha channel |
| 22:01.27 | brlcad | just user-specified instead a convenient separate per-pixel channel |
| 22:01.33 | Emton | that's good, yea i guess you need that to RT correctly |
| 22:01.50 | brlcad | you really want a full channel, though, for proper blending and edge aliasing |
| 22:02.06 | Emton | i see, so perhaps not too hard to break it out to RGBA |
| 22:02.58 | Emton | do you know if the ANIM menu works? |
| 22:03.08 | Emton | haven't found any documentation or a clue as to how to use it |
| 22:03.12 | brlcad | saw someone use it a few months back |
| 22:03.17 | brlcad | i'm just not very versed in it |
| 22:03.39 | Emton | that's cool, is there a website? |
| 22:03.40 | brlcad | and yeah.. docs for it are limited.. there are some old docs about it somewhere, but I don't think have been uploaded anywhere |
| 22:04.25 | Emton | oh, yea i know some of this stuff like that tip you gave i only found thanks to our friendly (not sarcastic) ibot dropper |
| 22:04.57 | brlcad | ibot dropper? |
| 22:05.06 | Emton | here to be exact: http://purl.rikers.org/%23brlcad/20090512.html.gz |
| 22:05.36 | Emton | whoops, thats a new one but he's got a good collection of channel copies |
| 22:05.55 | Emton | yes, i think that ibot you see on the right is rikers bot |
| 22:06.03 | Emton | to record the channel |
| 22:06.11 | Emton | he should pop a search engine on there.. |
| 22:06.22 | brlcad | it is rikers' bot |
| 22:06.25 | Emton | so ppl.. uh.. don't feel like crawling his site |
| 22:06.41 | Emton | ok yea, i thought probly was |
| 22:07.15 | brlcad | probably the most comprehensive multi-channeled bot on irc with the largest factoid database |
| 22:07.23 | brlcad | really should clean up that website :) |
| 22:07.32 | brlcad | search for starters .. definitely |
| 22:08.13 | Emton | yea, i guess u can't really complain about er.. spidering w/out having that |
| 22:08.24 | brlcad | we probably should create an extensive to have a drupal module just suck them in daily so they're indexed with the read of our content |
| 22:08.34 | brlcad | wrapped in something a little more pretty |
| 22:08.47 | Emton | would be good |
| 22:09.06 | brlcad | google goes into .gz files, so you can just add site:rikers.org to search the existing logs |
| 22:09.18 | Emton | i also found this, http://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/ |
| 22:09.27 | brlcad | yeah, that's mike's old page |
| 22:09.28 | Emton | site of original BRLCAD architect |
| 22:09.31 | Emton | yea |
| 22:09.42 | Emton | didn't know he was the ping author |
| 22:09.44 | Emton | hehe |
| 22:09.48 | brlcad | I'm going to move that onto brlcad.org here some day |
| 22:10.59 | Emton | yea, it would be good to snag it before the mil wipes by accident or o/w |
| 22:11.35 | brlcad | it wouldn't be by accident, but there has already been issues with the potential "o/w" reasons |
| 22:12.03 | Emton | really? is there pushback about having BRLCAD in public domain? |
| 22:12.38 | brlcad | I already have a dump of all of the old ftp website, more just a matter of copying the files into place |
| 22:13.02 | brlcad | brl-cad is open source, not the same as being in the public domain :) |
| 22:13.24 | Emton | that's cool, as long as you have them perhaps u can just dump them for now so others can view them (perhaps painfully) |
| 22:13.29 | brlcad | and that question has little to do with mike's old website ;) |
| 22:14.00 | Emton | heh, this old website i posted? |
| 22:14.10 | brlcad | right, his homepage |
| 22:14.16 | Emton | they don't like the pictures and extra information or something? |
| 22:14.39 | brlcad | I won't/don't speak for "them" :) |
| 22:14.59 | ``Erik | shakes fist at "them" |
| 22:15.18 | Emton | hehe, well - seems good people have "accidents" too often |
| 22:16.36 | Emton | alrigth guys, back to wrok for me trying to make some BRL animations |
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| 02:03.45 | ``Erik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy5JwYOlgvY |
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| 02:42.37 | Emton | how d |
| 02:43.55 | Emton | "/usr/bin/m4:configure.ac:2030: cannot create temporary file for diversion: Permission denied" |
| 02:44.12 | Emton | ?? |
| 02:46.18 | Emton | i pulled the latest from SVN, trying to run autogen.sh on cygwin |
| 02:47.44 | Emton | i put --verbose up to: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m334e4091 |
| 02:48.12 | Emton | any help appreciated!! |
| 04:39.00 | Emton | is there a list of required packages for cygwin? |
| 05:25.38 | Emton | don't ask me how... but |
| 05:25.41 | Emton | BRL-CAD Release 7.16.2, Build 20091113 |
| 05:25.42 | Emton | Elapsed compilation time: 2 hours, 23 minutes, 33 seconds |
| 05:25.42 | Emton | Elapsed time since configuration: 4 hours, 5 minutes, 37 seconds |
| 05:25.42 | Emton | --- |
| 05:25.42 | Emton | Run 'make install' to begin installation into /usr/brlcad |
| 05:25.42 | Emton | Run 'make benchmark' to run the BRL-CAD Benchmark Suite |
| 05:25.44 | Emton | make[1]: Leaving directory `/cygdrive/c/programs/brlcad-7.16.2/brlcad-7.16.2' |
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| 05:29.33 | louipc | err |
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| 06:39.21 | brlcad | heh |
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| 15:36.43 | Emton | how |
| 16:02.13 | brlcad | heh, so you got it to compile, eh? |
| 16:02.50 | brlcad | and experienced the pains of cygwin I/O indirection :) |
| 18:32.02 | Emton | yea, but not sure it was that smooth |
| 18:32.19 | Emton | trying out pix-png i get "Short read" errors |
| 18:32.42 | Emton | regardless of flags and sizes, i used the pix files from the distro |
| 18:33.01 | Emton | i'm thinking something is amiss |
| 18:58.06 | ``Erik | cygwin is a hackish attempt to get a sane environment on a suck os... it is... not... optimal... |
| 18:58.10 | ``Erik | :) |
| 18:58.36 | ``Erik | rt -o tank.pix /path/to/ktank.g tank |
| 18:58.48 | ``Erik | pix-png -s 256 tank.pix > tank.png |
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| 20:10.38 | brlcad | -s 256 ... not right for that rt line, default is 512 |
| 20:12.55 | ``Erik | oh, whatever |
| 20:12.56 | ``Erik | :) |
| 20:14.29 | ``Erik | is starting to think that the more recent X11's on osX are just plain fucked up |
| 20:14.50 | ``Erik | and that the rotate bug might be a real apple X11 dealie |
| 20:17.55 | brlcad | I don't think so |
| 20:18.18 | brlcad | the fact that all events are perfectly fine until you zoom in/out is highly suspect |
| 20:18.36 | ``Erik | hm |
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| 20:18.54 | ``Erik | my experience has been that even from a raw instantiation, it catches down instead of up |
| 20:19.25 | ``Erik | isst has starting experiencing issues similar to BRL-CAD with no code change |
| 20:19.29 | brlcad | try any of the shift grips |
| 20:19.35 | brlcad | they all work fine at first |
| 20:19.56 | ``Erik | <-- far more familiar with isst than esoteric mged shit |
| 20:19.58 | brlcad | until the first zoom change, then it's hosed from then on |
| 20:20.18 | brlcad | e.g., shift+click-drag |
| 20:20.27 | brlcad | should spin it around |
| 20:20.40 | brlcad | control+click-drag |
| 20:20.52 | brlcad | one rotates, one pans |
| 20:22.37 | ``Erik | we have a machine going out with the most recent updates to isst, it works ok. all of my "connected" machines refuse to acknowledge held keys. |
| 20:22.40 | ``Erik | something is going on |
| 20:49.19 | brlcad | shrug, i've not looked into the problem that deeply myself to feel certain on the actual coding issue yet other that what mged does |
| 20:49.43 | brlcad | would need a simplified test case, stepped debugging, logging, etc, to say one more |
| 20:49.53 | brlcad | s/one/anything/ |
| 20:50.01 | brlcad | otherwise, just speculation |
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| 02:35.37 | Emton | heh.. that's weird -> Erik |
| 02:35.45 | Emton | it worked! |
| 02:36.08 | Emton | i built the tank.pix w/rt and was able to pix-png it |
| 02:36.19 | Emton | flag of course as brlcad mentioned is 512 |
| 02:36.37 | Emton | weird, since I was able to convert my other images via IM |
| 02:36.45 | Emton | thus i'm pretty sure my flags were right |
| 02:36.50 | Emton | i'll have to check.. |
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| 14:27.18 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1696 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_l: rm dup ls from see also, category sort key |
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| 14:42.11 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1707 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Commands: This page would be better if it was formatted like [[MGED Commands]] |
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| 16:40.28 | brlcad | go go gadget ssd |
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| 22:54.54 | Emton | anybody know how to quickly clean up a rickety cygwin env? |
| 22:55.09 | Emton | my automake is mess#$)*d up |
| 22:55.33 | Emton | can't compile anything using automake |
| 22:55.35 | Emton | =( |
| 22:55.51 | Emton | thought it was brlcad but IM doesn't go either |
| 22:56.17 | Emton | i hacked libpkg to pieces because of sockets but too much symbol replacemnt missing |
| 22:57.02 | Emton | any got a full cygwin binary up for download? |
| 22:57.04 | Emton | hehe |
| 22:57.55 | Emton | anyway i've kludges to do all the things but is messy, wish i had one good clean env w/all the tools |
| 22:58.47 | Emton | none of the win distros have tabinterp, pix-png and... |
| 22:59.22 | starseeker | Emton: what about installing Linux? ;-) |
| 22:59.44 | Emton | hehe.. yea, well it's not my comp really |
| 22:59.51 | starseeker | only suggestion I can make with cygwin is to do a wipe and reinstall, which isn't a quick fix |
| 23:00.23 | Emton | i know but i have to use setup to remove each one, can I just rip the directories or will i have problems? |
| 23:00.23 | starseeker | install virtualbox and run Linux in that :-{ |
| 23:00.27 | starseeker | er :-P |
| 23:00.48 | Emton | yea, i wish there was a knoppix disc w/brl-cad hehe |
| 23:01.01 | Emton | not that my comp is powerful enough to run it anywayz |
| 23:01.08 | starseeker | not sure - see if the cygwin site has any docs about whether they muck with Windows registry stuff |
| 23:01.30 | Emton | yea, i think i did in the past i'll have to check again i guess |
| 23:01.51 | Emton | i wish i could find what's wrong but it looks like it should work |
| 23:02.04 | Emton | no real complaints |
| 23:02.25 | Emton | i saw a thread by David Korn regarding the socket models conflicting |
| 23:02.29 | starseeker | has very little experience with cygwin, and none in the last 4 years |
| 23:02.31 | Emton | i think that's what's doing it |
| 23:02.55 | Emton | heh, well it's linux for windows pretty much |
| 23:03.09 | Emton | but problems w/shared libs, sockets, etc hehe |
| 23:04.00 | starseeker | Emton: might try this: http://www.colinux.org/ |
| 23:04.06 | Emton | i thought it would run smooth by now, i haven't delved into it in a few years now |
| 23:04.45 | yukonbob | starseeker: 7.16.2 official yet? |
| 23:04.52 | starseeker | yukonbob: yep |
| 23:05.02 | starseeker | source tarball is up for download now, IIRC |
| 23:05.06 | Emton | heh, konichiwa |
| 23:05.21 | Emton | about the only japonese i know tho |
| 23:05.23 | yukonbob | sees /topic, but only noticed single non-significant looking change in svn update |
| 23:05.43 | yukonbob | starseeker: cool. thx |
| 23:06.10 | Emton | i'm getting it now, let you know how it goes |
| 23:06.32 | starseeker | Emton: that's another one I've never tried, so I'll be curious |
| 23:07.08 | Emton | yea, in the install now - i'm choosing debian as the root image |
| 23:07.10 | Emton | we'll see |
| 23:08.00 | starseeker | Emton: if that doesn't work, this looks like it might be in the same vein: http://topologi-linux.sourceforge.net |
| 23:08.41 | Emton | hmm.. looks interesting |
| 23:09.06 | Emton | i wonder if coop linux is going to slice up my disc o_O |
| 23:09.26 | Emton | this new one you mention looks good, more safe ;) |
| 23:09.50 | Emton | but coop is installing now, we'll see what happens |
| 23:09.53 | Emton | thnx the tips |
| 23:10.19 | starseeker | np - you're still in unstable turf though - afaik no one has ever tried BRL-CAD in either of those environments ;-) |
| 23:11.20 | Emton | heh, first for everything - i'll let you know what happens |
| 23:12.32 | Emton | hehe, looks like not much else been tested on it either |
| 23:12.35 | Emton | WARNING: |
| 23:12.35 | Emton | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.35 | Emton | (e.g, stable setups), it is still meant for testing purposes only. |
| 23:12.35 | Emton | This means that running it may crash the host (Windows or Linux system). |
| 23:19.42 | Emton | yea.. this thing takes some tweaking |
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| 23:22.05 | Emton | if anyone else want to try this i suggest go here, should be easier: http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/Installation_out_of_the_box |
| 23:22.40 | Emton | hehe.. lists the other one you mentioned <- starseeker |
| 23:30.34 | Emton | anybody see 9/11 coincidences movie? |
| 23:30.58 | Emton | just saw it.. pretty well done |
| 23:31.27 | Emton | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw |
| 23:32.59 | Emton | alright yea, topologilinux seems easier to use, good call |
| 23:33.30 | Emton | the other way looks like u need to creat u own fs's |
| 23:37.11 | Emton | ~seen yukonbob_ |
| 23:37.14 | ibot | yukonbob_ <i=1000@s142-179-54-198.bc.hsia.telus.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 61d 6h 34m 2s ago, saying: 'kanzure: swig != interface. Is interface generator...'. |
| 23:37.14 | Emton | heh |
| 23:37.40 | Emton | ~seen bar |
| 23:37.41 | ibot | bar <n=nottelli@rrcs-24-123-67-4.central.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 180d 56m 36s ago, saying: '^^'. |
| 23:40.27 | Emton | ~seen Emton |
| 23:40.28 | ibot | emton is currently on #brlcad (1d 8h 4m 18s). Has said a total of 62 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Emton'. |
| 23:42.29 | yukonbob | ~seen yukonbob |
| 23:42.30 | ibot | yukonbob is currently on #brlcad. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen yukonbob'. |
| 23:42.58 | yukonbob | ! 1 msg -- liar. |
| 23:43.55 | Emton | hehe, ibot is the elephant in the room |
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| 00:10.35 | Emton | ~seen R0b0t1 |
| 00:10.37 | ibot | r0b0t1 is currently on #bzflag (21m 47s) #brlcad (21m 47s), last said: 'Ok, thanks :)'. |
| 00:10.57 | R0b0t1 | omgwtf stalker! |
| 00:11.03 | Emton | lol |
| 00:11.09 | Emton | not me!! it's the ibot |
| 00:11.37 | Emton | it's watching us, thought u might be another bot |
| 00:11.39 | Emton | lol |
| 00:11.42 | Emton | guess not |
| 00:13.53 | Emton | have seen this movie, 9/11 Coincidences? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw |
| 00:17.08 | Emton | ~seen Emton |
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| 04:11.45 | Emton | hey what's up |
| 04:12.04 | Emton | starting playing around w/those distros but.. |
| 04:12.18 | Emton | they use cygwin anyways hehe |
| 04:12.30 | Emton | so back to cygwin |
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| 07:43.47 | Emton | anybody? |
| 07:47.53 | louipc | what distros? |
| 08:18.21 | Emton | those coLinux jammies |
| 08:18.38 | Emton | was having problems w/cygwin |
| 08:19.04 | Emton | turned to be mute since they all use cygwin anyway |
| 11:37.56 | brlcad | you say you modified libpkg? |
| 11:38.04 | brlcad | shouldn't have needed to |
| 11:54.38 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36484 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/ (Makefile.am TODO): a todo file specifically for libdm. refactor dm-generic, support application driver dms, and remove tcl/tk use from api |
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| 12:50.55 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36485 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/configure.ac: remove loads of unnecessary stuff. should reduce configure time some. |
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| 13:08.13 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36486 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/configure.ac: more removal for brevity |
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| 13:48.02 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36487 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: if we're compiling stricct, turn attributes off. this is needed because our format string allows a %V conversion character that is not recognized. |
| 13:51.17 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36488 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: |
| 13:51.19 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: add compiler tests for strict compilation flags (-pedantic -W -Wall -Werror) |
| 13:51.21 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: along with -Wno-lang-lang which is needed due to tcl.h's use of the c99 long |
| 13:51.23 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: long construct. this set of strict compilation flags can be enabled on a per |
| 13:51.29 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: directory basis using the STRICT_FLAGS variable as directories are cleaned up. |
| 13:51.31 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: additionally, add -std=c89 to the compile line to make our compliance goal |
| 13:51.37 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: explicit (at least if we're using gcc). |
| 13:52.38 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36489 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (avs.c list.c parallel.c vls.c): quell a variety of verbose-level warnings, primarily type conversions |
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| 15:16.32 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36490 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): change line comments (//) to block comments (/* */) |
| 15:33.18 | starseeker | brlcad: erm - C++ apparently doesn't like -std=c89 - is there a C++ version |
| 15:43.48 | brlcad | ahh, right |
| 15:44.08 | brlcad | hadn't gotten that far myself.. disabling gnu extensions caused other failurs |
| 15:48.25 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36491 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: override setting all flags for -std=c89 since we only want CFLAGS, not CXXFLAGS. not a valid std on c++ files. |
| 16:17.49 | starseeker | oh, lovely - opennurbs isn't c89 valid |
| 16:18.33 | starseeker | reflects that if we need to fix opennurbs, it might be time to revert to a vanilla opennurbs in the trunk and make only the minimal changes that we need |
| 16:19.33 | brlcad | wouldn't be, it's c++ |
| 16:19.46 | brlcad | it's it barfing on something? |
| 16:19.50 | starseeker | opennurbs_memory.c |
| 16:19.57 | brlcad | hrm |
| 16:20.14 | brlcad | svn mv opennurbs_memory.c opennurbs_memory.cpp ;) (j/k) |
| 16:20.26 | brlcad | it's probably c99 |
| 16:21.05 | brlcad | if that's the case, need to make that -std flag non-global (to a var), then override the var in opennurbs |
| 16:28.14 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36492 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/jove/jove_io.c: minor ansi compliance patch, use S_ISCHR() instead testing S_IFCHR directly. |
| 16:29.33 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36493 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/TODO: Add a TODO about getting the NIST code to actually generated the correct code for src/conv/step |
| 16:29.53 | starseeker | er, generate rather |
| 16:30.30 | brlcad | don't forget EXTRA_DIST lucy! |
| 16:30.39 | starseeker | oo, good point |
| 16:30.42 | brlcad | </carlos> |
| 16:31.33 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36494 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/Makefile.am: Bad developer. Update the Makefile.am too. |
| 16:32.03 | brlcad | heh, thank you gnu hurd for that S_ISCHR() hint |
| 16:32.31 | starseeker | wait, what? HURD actually helped someone do something?? |
| 16:32.37 | starseeker | faints in shock |
| 16:43.55 | ``Erik | wait, what? hurd/herd produced something other than a lot of claims about how it'll be awesome? |
| 16:43.58 | ``Erik | O.O |
| 16:44.08 | brlcad | wasn't hurd directly |
| 16:44.15 | brlcad | but a patch from someone to hurd |
| 16:44.22 | brlcad | was the same patch jove needed |
| 16:44.27 | brlcad | or at least similar |
| 16:45.03 | ``Erik | the only patch jove needs is the one measured in megatons |
| 16:45.07 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 16:45.35 | starseeker | don't worry - on some far day in the remote future we'll be able to nuke it |
| 16:46.19 | louipc | well, it's disabled by default.. good 'nuff for me |
| 16:47.32 | starseeker | ah fudge, forgot to deprecate make_bb |
| 16:49.30 | starseeker | brlcad: I take it I should make a 7.16 section in deprecated.txt? |
| 16:49.54 | brlcad | if you're deprecating something, yep |
| 16:50.03 | brlcad | just follow form |
| 16:50.15 | starseeker | should have done it earlier, but I'll do it now... |
| 16:51.26 | starseeker | wonders what else he forgot to deprecate... |
| 16:51.52 | brlcad | if you at least said it in a file elsewhere or in the commit message, "close enough" |
| 16:52.11 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36495 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/deprecation.txt: make_bb will go away in favor of bb, which defines a superset of its functionality. |
| 16:52.21 | brlcad | someone should weed out the oldest deprecations at some point |
| 16:52.36 | brlcad | no sense keeping the ancient issues active |
| 16:52.55 | starseeker | what's the distinction between deprecated and obsolete? |
| 16:53.05 | brlcad | obsolete is when it's removed |
| 16:53.20 | brlcad | deprecated is when it's scheduled to be removed |
| 16:53.25 | starseeker | ah |
| 16:53.53 | starseeker | is a bit confused - how come there is anything newer than 7.12 in obsolete? |
| 16:53.53 | brlcad | so top items are moved to the bottom when they're finally yanked, so there's a log of what happened even if you missed deprecation |
| 16:55.28 | brlcad | heh, damn! |
| 16:55.33 | starseeker | Oh, I see - "there exists a an equivalent alternative interface" |
| 16:55.40 | brlcad | the new Werror portion is killer |
| 16:56.06 | brlcad | working like a charm, but damn is it failing cross-platform even on our "clean" libbu.. |
| 16:56.09 | brlcad | quells |
| 16:56.11 | Emton | I had to modify libpkg because of conflicts with socket.h, un.h |
| 16:56.22 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36496 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/deprecation.txt: Fix typo in instructions. |
| 16:56.27 | brlcad | Emton: can you be more specific? |
| 16:56.39 | brlcad | suspect maybe a header test failed? |
| 16:56.47 | brlcad | or a specific patch that fixed it |
| 16:56.50 | Emton | yea, hang on i'll reproduce |
| 16:58.10 | Emton | here is what happend *after* i hacked the .h redefine errors away |
| 16:58.12 | Emton | $ make |
| 16:58.12 | Emton | rict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -version-info 19:1 -no-undefined -L/us |
| 16:58.12 | Emton | r/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -o libpkg.la |
| 16:58.12 | Emton | -rpath /usr/brlcad/lib pkg.lo tcl.lo vers.lo |
| 16:58.12 | Emton | .libs/pkg.o: In function `pkg_open': |
| 16:58.12 | Emton | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.14 | Emton | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.16 | Emton | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.51 | brlcad | starseeker: there's a bug report on the 10.4 ogl-enabled build causing a crash |
| 17:02.26 | starseeker | crud. we've really got to get to AquaTk and get off this Mac X11 merry-go-round |
| 17:02.53 | brlcad | Emton: hm, some net lib is missing |
| 17:03.47 | brlcad | obviously detected HAVE_WINSOCK_H .. so it's trying to use winsock |
| 17:04.08 | Emton | well gethostbyname was one of the things it complained of originally being "redefined" so I ripped it out of a local winsock.h for libpkg |
| 17:04.34 | Emton | do you know what WSAStartup is? |
| 17:04.42 | brlcad | yes |
| 17:04.51 | brlcad | need to know what that original problem was |
| 17:04.53 | ``Erik | the function to initialize the socket library on winderz |
| 17:05.12 | brlcad | if it was being redefined due to our headers |
| 17:05.12 | Emton | yea, i think its stemming from automake issues |
| 17:05.14 | ``Erik | needs winsock.dll linked, I imagine |
| 17:05.19 | brlcad | yeah |
| 17:06.16 | Emton | i've got like 5 versions on here, don't know if that's the problem, but i think i'll wipe out the stuff and add it back |
| 17:07.41 | brlcad | libpkg compiles cleanly now via studio, so it should just be build settings that need tweaking, not source changes |
| 17:07.51 | brlcad | maybe a few preprocessor checks |
| 17:08.20 | brlcad | but no logic changes should be necessary |
| 17:09.09 | Emton | yea, another thing it complained about was the return (PKG_ERROR) stuff |
| 17:09.25 | Emton | not being casted, i cast as (int) and it stopped |
| 17:13.42 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36497 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: strict c89 standards compliance without gnu or bsd extensions is a bit too far out of reach .. disable for the time being. |
| 17:15.29 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36498 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/pkg.c: quell warning. cast since the func returns int (thx Emton) and PKC_ERROR is already a cast pointer. |
| 17:18.09 | Emton | is libpkg really needed for standlalone server? |
| 17:18.28 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 17:18.53 | brlcad | it's a low-level networking library, how most of the framebuffer utilities intercommunicate |
| 17:19.05 | Emton | it says in pkg.c sounds like ipc stuff |
| 17:19.24 | brlcad | it is, sorta |
| 17:19.27 | Emton | oh ok yea |
| 17:19.51 | Emton | wasn't sure if it was for more distributed model of BRLCAD |
| 17:20.28 | brlcad | nope, it's intrinsic to many of the tools |
| 17:20.54 | Emton | yea, rt won't build w/out it |
| 17:21.06 | brlcad | mostly the server-based tools, one of which is a distributed processing tool, but others too |
| 17:22.25 | brlcad | all the tracers, most of the framebuffer tools, all the display managers, the remrt distributed rendering system, the mged gui (framebuffer and diplay manager servers embedded), .. and probably a few others |
| 17:22.40 | Emton | heh, u fixed that cast problem quick =) |
| 17:23.29 | Emton | yea, i know i need to fix this cygwin env problem and get it done right |
| 17:28.08 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36499 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: keep disabled, but need to move the c89 test above above the headers and types so the tests will fail properly (ran into HAVE_SIG_T getting defined even though it's a bsd extension, compile-time failure.) |
| 17:28.37 | brlcad | yeah, if you can update to a latest checkout, no mods.. compile and report that pkg error -- can see what the fix should be for gethostbyname and whatever else was failing |
| 17:32.24 | Emton | alright, i'll get it and let you know what happens, takes hours for me on this antique here tho |
| 17:32.47 | brlcad | nods |
| 17:32.56 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36500 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: minor comment |
| 17:46.19 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36501 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: technically now have stricter compilation flags on 'clean' directories .. just only one dir (libbu) is clean, and semi-clean at that (can't enable -std=c89 justwithout quellage) |
| 18:05.36 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36502 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/mappedfile.c: mmap takes void*, feed it NULL |
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| 18:31.37 | yukonbob | http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html#renders |
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| 21:47.18 | louipc | yukonbob: sweet. I wish I could understand the advanced mathematics |
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| 22:53.32 | ``Erik | nifty |
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| 00:08.53 | starseeker | Arrrrrrrrrrgh |
| 00:09.09 | starseeker | fop ignores my config setting, xsltproc ignores options... |
| 00:13.05 | ``Erik | xslut ftl |
| 00:24.49 | starseeker | slinks back to the automake list... |
| 00:57.36 | starseeker | waaait... |
| 01:47.58 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36503 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 01:48.00 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: At long last, what appears to be a solution to the png image in pdf file problem |
| 01:48.02 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: when using fop. Generate a config file that sets the base path and add it to |
| 01:48.04 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: the fop call. Requires ALL xml files to use the ../../pathname convention, but |
| 01:48.06 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: since xinclude required that anyway what the heck. Start with key files, will |
| 01:48.12 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: follow with massive image moving. |
| 01:53.45 | starseeker | wooooot! |
| 01:53.59 | starseeker | now if the image move will just commit... |
| 02:02.08 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36504 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (438 files in 3 dirs): rename all the docbook png images to have the correct suffix. |
| 02:05.15 | starseeker | yesss |
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| 03:51.56 | louipc | whoa |
| 03:54.34 | louipc | you guys ready for the meteor shower? |
| 04:09.33 | starseeker | gets his umbrella |
| 04:10.54 | starseeker | wow, now here's something I'd like to get if I had unlimited $$: http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-T221-22-2-3840x2400-LCD-Monitor_W0QQitemZ150387862548Q |
| 04:12.54 | louipc | what if you had an extra 3500? |
| 04:24.13 | starseeker | I'd be buying more flooring |
| 04:32.44 | louipc | pah |
| 04:47.42 | starseeker | cool - 4004 Intel chip details released |
| 04:49.04 | starseeker | is bemused by the non-commercial restrictions |
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| 13:52.35 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36505 10/rt^3/tags/rel-7-16-2/: tag the C++ core interface with the corresponding BRL-CAD version |
| 14:59.03 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36506 10/isst/trunk/src/Makefile.am: change binary name to include gui toolkit |
| 15:35.00 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36507 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Whoops - no longer building images now, so reference the actual lists of images rather than the (now nonexistant) build rule. |
| 15:35.23 | starseeker | hmm, wonder how my system at home managed to build with that still there |
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| 16:00.42 | brlcad | huhm |
| 16:01.19 | starseeker | brlcad: welcome back :-) |
| 16:02.23 | starseeker | dunno if you saw it, but the .docpng hack is no more |
| 16:04.09 | brlcad | oh cool! |
| 16:04.19 | brlcad | no i hadn't seen that |
| 16:04.39 | brlcad | had a recovery after yesterday's all-nighter, haven't seen mail |
| 16:04.46 | starseeker | nods |
| 16:04.50 | starseeker | figured |
| 16:04.54 | brlcad | and dunno what happened here .. presume it was the staffer rerouting |
| 16:05.27 | starseeker | your mac is refusing to compile opennurbs 64 bit, by the way (grr...) |
| 16:05.36 | brlcad | cool |
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| 16:37.16 | starseeker | great - it compiles 32 bit, but that's no help |
| 16:45.05 | starseeker | erm. brlcad, another data point - looks like building 64 bit without enable optimized got past opennurbs |
| 16:56.57 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36508 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Added a mode for centering the view on an object hit point. |
| 17:00.18 | starseeker | checks... |
| 17:00.33 | starseeker | crud. Looks like the -O3 flag is the bad actor. |
| 17:02.13 | starseeker | tries O2 |
| 17:07.17 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, looks like O2 succeeds but O3 barfs |
| 17:11.31 | starseeker | I'm not sure what to do about debugging a problem caused by an O3 issue - the google reference Keith turned up sounded like it might actually be a compiler issue |
| 17:11.46 | starseeker | are there any standard procedures for such a situation? |
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| 19:40.19 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36509 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_font.cpp: |
| 19:40.21 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: workaround patch for a gcc 4.0.1 optimization bug where it ends up outputting |
| 19:40.23 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: bad assembly causing a relocation linker failure. (local recloation for address |
| 19:40.25 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 0x00... in section __text does not target section __const) this avoids getting |
| 19:40.27 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: a const wchar_t* directly from a wide string literal, instead going through the |
| 19:40.33 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: ON_wString class. |
| 19:43.34 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36510 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_font.cpp: |
| 19:43.36 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: oops, meant to apply this to trunk.. workaround patch for a gcc 4.0.1 |
| 19:43.40 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: optimization bug where it ends up outputting bad assembly causing a relocation |
| 19:43.42 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: linker failure. (local recloation for address 0x00... in section __text does not |
| 19:43.47 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: target section __const) this avoids getting a const wchar_t* directly from a |
| 19:43.51 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: wide string literal, instead going through the ON_wString class. |
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| 22:33.38 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36511 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (doevent.c mged_dm.h): Mods to expose doEvent() and motion_event_handler() to windows. |
| 23:44.31 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36512 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/ (Makefile.am msr.c multipoly.c poly.c tcl.c wavelet.c): quell a handful of remaining warnings so libbn can also now be strict with respect to compilation warnings too |
| 23:50.38 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36513 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_memory.c: quell warning about unused memblock parameter by using it to always return false. |
| 23:56.20 | yukonbob | ? only SF files in 7.16.2 download section are windows |
| 23:57.09 | yukonbob | nm -- found other folder. |
| 00:00.36 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36514 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/fortran.c: remove the ifdopn/IFDOPN fortran wrapper as it uses fdopen() which supposedly isn't in c99 (yet is c89). old unpublished interface, see if anyone is affected. |
| 00:33.24 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36515 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (backtrace.c brlcad_path.c crashreport.c): quell a variety of compliance warnings. popen, kill, and fileno are annoyingly not in c99. |
| 00:44.31 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36516 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/malloc.c: in more than 15 years, i've not derived any useful value knowing sbrk(0) on an out-of-memory state. bye. |
| 00:47.58 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36517 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parse.c: there's no point in limiting parsing to chars < 127, testing if it's a space is sufficient |
| 00:48.44 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36518 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parse.c: another isascii() |
| 00:58.15 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36519 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (9 files): |
| 00:58.19 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: quell a slew of additional warnings for strict mode compilation. we still use |
| 00:58.21 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: non-c99 functions, but have to declare them ourselves if it's a strict |
| 00:58.25 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: compliance compile (configure takes care of when they're not available at all |
| 00:58.34 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: for some symbols). re-enable STRICT_FLAGS. |
| 01:03.27 | CIA-61 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36520 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: test for popen, used by libbu in a few places |
| 01:37.33 | Emton | hello |
| 01:37.35 | Emton | ? |
| 01:37.58 | Emton | anybody know the rate tabinterp directive well?? |
| 01:38.42 | Emton | I put in a step value of -15 and it's dropping me by 3.5 |
| 01:38.44 | Emton | weird |
| 01:39.02 | Emton | $ cat tabinterpcmds |
| 01:39.03 | Emton | file chans.vsize -; |
| 01:39.03 | Emton | file chans.eyept - - 3; |
| 01:39.03 | Emton | file chans.orient 4 5 6 7; |
| 01:39.03 | Emton | times 0 12 4; |
| 01:39.03 | Emton | rate 0 439.42 0; |
| 01:39.04 | Emton | rate 1 76.2 0; |
| 01:39.06 | Emton | rate 2 52.07 -14; |
| 01:39.08 | Emton | interp cspline 3 4 5 6 7; |
| 01:40.26 | Emton | channel 2, first val = 52.07 |
| 01:40.44 | Emton | channel 2, second val = 38.9845 |
| 01:40.44 | Emton | whoops |
| 01:41.10 | Emton | channel 2, second val = 48.57 |
| 01:41.42 | Emton | ** read from the sentinel file ** |
| 03:17.07 | starseeker | installs llvm and clang |
| 03:17.35 | starseeker | can't do much in the way of c++, otherwise it would be fun to try a BRL-CAD compile |
| 03:17.46 | starseeker | suppose llvm-gcc might work |
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| 03:49.37 | Emton | ok, in tabinterp.c->rate_interpolate() |
| 03:49.37 | Emton | chp->c_oval[t] = ival + rate * times[t]; |
| 03:49.37 | Emton | should probably be: chp->c_oval[t] = ival + rate * t; |
| 03:49.37 | Emton | i'm backing up and will try to compile and see if it works |
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| 04:03.12 | starseeker | heh |
| 04:03.15 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/libbu/crashreport.c:75:21: error: format string is not a string literal |
| 04:03.18 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.21 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.23 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.41 | starseeker | must say he like's clang's approach to error reporting at least |
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| 04:07.17 | Notme | niven went down, but i did compile and it appears to work correclty now =) |
| 04:09.50 | Notme | if i had SVN access, i would post but the change is in src/tab/tabinterp.c->rate_interpolate() |
| 04:10.21 | Notme | last line before end of FOR loop should read: chp->c_oval[t] = ival + rate * t; |
| 04:10.52 | starseeker | Notme: make a patch and submit it to sf |
| 04:11.04 | Notme | huh? |
| 04:11.35 | Notme | not familiar w/the process of open source dev |
| 04:11.46 | Notme | I got SVN but no privileges |
| 04:12.04 | starseeker | yeah - you do an svn diff to see what changes were made |
| 04:12.31 | Notme | what do you mean, i'm giving the change |
| 04:12.39 | starseeker | cd src/tab |
| 04:12.41 | starseeker | svn diff |
| 04:12.51 | Notme | ok hang on |
| 04:13.01 | starseeker | let me check if brlcad has a preferred way to make a patch |
| 04:13.28 | Notme | lol, i use tortoise really not cmdline |
| 04:13.36 | starseeker | erm |
| 04:13.46 | Notme | is not my copy there, where i compiled |
| 04:13.59 | starseeker | ok, well svn diff > tabinterp.c.patch would work |
| 04:14.27 | starseeker | Notme: check the file HACKING in the toplevel |
| 04:15.00 | Notme | alright, i think i need privs tho to do any updates |
| 04:15.17 | Notme | i'm not pulling from the https trunk |
| 04:15.51 | starseeker | yeah, first you submit a patch here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
| 04:15.55 | Notme | btw, it's me Emton in case u didnt realize |
| 04:16.00 | starseeker | figured :-) |
| 04:16.05 | Notme | heh |
| 04:16.17 | starseeker | then it gets reviewed by a dev and incorporated |
| 04:16.25 | starseeker | takes a little while to get commit access |
| 04:16.42 | Notme | yea, that makes sense |
| 04:17.49 | Notme | i remember when i gen'd the html pages from man was a process, hmm.. |
| 04:20.41 | Notme | ok, i got the diff |
| 04:21.11 | Notme | line 782, tabinterp.c |
| 04:40.07 | Notme | i dunno, sourceforge signup email not showing up |
| 04:40.25 | Notme | starseeker if u got an account u can post it up |
| 04:40.41 | Notme | *if u don't mind* =) |
| 05:31.22 | Notme | alright is put up in the patches |
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| 07:41.42 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36521 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/fchmod.c: there is no mode_t in MSVC |
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| 13:27.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1802 10/wiki/Talk:BRL-CAD_Commands: |
| 13:30.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1803 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_cp: |
| 13:30.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1804 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_cpi: |
| 13:31.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1805 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_db: |
| 13:31.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1806 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_db_glob: |
| 13:31.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1807 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_dbbinary: |
| 13:31.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1808 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_dbconcat: |
| 13:33.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1809 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_dbfind: |
| 13:34.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1810 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_dbfindtree: |
| 13:34.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1811 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_debugbu: |
| 13:34.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1812 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_status: |
| 13:34.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1813 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_sph-part: |
| 13:34.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1814 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_solids_on_ray: |
| 13:35.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1815 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_solids: |
| 13:35.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1816 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_size: |
| 13:35.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1817 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_showmats: |
| 13:35.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1818 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_shells: |
| 13:35.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1819 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_share: |
| 13:35.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1820 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_set_more_default: |
| 13:35.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1821 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_sed: |
| 13:35.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1822 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_sca: |
| 13:35.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1823 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_ls: |
| 13:36.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1824 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_lookat: |
| 13:36.20 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1825 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_loadtk: |
| 13:36.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1826 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_l_muves: |
| 13:44.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1827 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_aip: |
| 13:45.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1828 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_cmd_win: |
| 13:45.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1829 10/wiki/Category:MGED_developer_commands: New page: [[category:MGED]] |
| 13:49.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36522 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (10 files): Take a stab at cleaning up some warnings in libbu with llvm-gcc. |
| 13:57.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1830 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_collaborate: |
| 13:57.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1831 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_get_edit_solid: |
| 13:57.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1832 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_get_more_default: |
| 13:57.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1833 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_grid2model_lu: |
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| 15:04.55 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36524 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (backtrace.c fchmod.c): wrap the extern fileno to avoid explosions where fileno is defined as a macro (freebsd). |
| 15:53.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36525 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parse.c: Put the %V back for now - apparently there's some sort of custom BRL-CAD specific logic at work here? |
| 17:13.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36526 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/TrimmedCurve.cpp: Added unit converions to Trim_Curve entity when trimming by cartesian_point. |
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| 18:12.50 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36527 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parallel.c: Sigh. Put parallel.c back as well - casting is size_t, which appears to complicate things. |
| 18:23.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36528 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (9 files): Sigh. Size differences on different archs are causing trouble - revert for now. |
| 18:42.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36529 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/ (plane.c sphmap.c tabdata.c): Revert the libbn stuff too - need a plan on how to approach this. |
| 18:44.44 | starseeker | ``Erik: does this look to be of any interest? http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/polygonise/ |
| 18:54.39 | starseeker | hmm - looks like we might have to ask permission to use code on that page |
| 18:55.19 | starseeker | this one looks like it might be public domain though: http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/polygonise/table2.txt |
| 18:55.56 | starseeker | oh, so is this: http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/polygonise/marchingsource.cpp |
| 18:59.24 | starseeker | Looks like GTS has some marching stuff as well |
| 18:59.43 | brlcad | cracks open an editor, finally able to get started with his day |
| 18:59.51 | starseeker | morning ;-) |
| 18:59.55 | starseeker | sorry for the mess |
| 19:00.05 | brlcad | what mess? |
| 19:00.24 | starseeker | attempted to quell some warnings and ended up causing other problems |
| 19:00.27 | starseeker | reverted now |
| 19:00.31 | brlcad | ah |
| 19:00.42 | brlcad | yeah, I suspect there will be a bit of backlash with Werror |
| 19:00.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36530 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: |
| 19:00.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Cleaned up ellipse code to directly build ellipse from bezier(similar to the |
| 19:00.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: hyperbola) versus using openNURBS ellipse routine allowing for better control |
| 19:00.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: of the curve parameterization. Also removed unit conversion of curve endpoints |
| 19:00.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: for trimmed curves now done in one place the trimmed_curve parent. |
| 19:00.59 | brlcad | only quelled a mac and linux box |
| 19:01.07 | starseeker | is on board with getting it cleaned up, but it looks like it will take some work |
| 19:01.45 | brlcad | yep, trying to force the hand so we don't keep having new issues slip in |
| 19:02.03 | starseeker | apparently format hates us |
| 19:03.14 | starseeker | jfmi - does quelling mean "fixing" or just "turn off complaining about"? |
| 19:03.17 | brlcad | yeah, right now it's only protected against by checking for __STRICT_ANSI__ |
| 19:03.41 | brlcad | both, depends on the warning |
| 19:04.07 | brlcad | 95% of our warnings are benign so it's just shutting up the compiler by making something explicit that wasn't |
| 19:04.15 | starseeker | do we eventually want to fix to the point where we don't have to turn off any of the complaints? |
| 19:04.46 | starseeker | nods - unfortunately anything involving size_t seems to be trouble |
| 19:04.59 | brlcad | ideally, but that probably won't happen if only for external deps |
| 19:05.16 | brlcad | size_t? |
| 19:05.53 | starseeker | one of the format statements was casting something as (size_t) - apparently printf doesn't deal properly with that until C99 (via %zu) |
| 19:06.23 | brlcad | fyi, our printf-style functions will all fail on %V because we do add that one and the compiler hinting mechanism doesn't have a means (i'm aware of) for informing it of new character format specifiers |
| 19:06.56 | brlcad | so the 'fix' for that warning is to just turn off the hint we add to tell the compiler it's a printf-style function (it doesn't figure it out automatically) |
| 19:06.58 | starseeker | could we get around that by defining bu_format and doing any new things like %V there? |
| 19:08.10 | brlcad | hm, in that size_t case .. sounds like the cast is wrong |
| 19:08.31 | starseeker | parallel.c line 1067 |
| 19:08.34 | starseeker | libbu |
| 19:09.55 | starseeker | what does %V do - allow printing vls strings? |
| 19:10.31 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:11.15 | brlcad | a bu_format wouldn't get around it -- you'd still have the %V somewhere |
| 19:11.25 | brlcad | so long as it was printf-style |
| 19:11.46 | brlcad | again, we're the ones telling the compiler to treat it as printf-style and validate it as such |
| 19:11.46 | starseeker | ah. couldn't we just do bu_vls_addr(*vlsstring) and use %s? |
| 19:12.06 | brlcad | so the easy fix is just turn off that hint if Werror is in effect |
| 19:12.09 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:12.25 | brlcad | you could do that, lots of places that actually call fprintf/printf/snprintf/etc do that |
| 19:12.33 | brlcad | but it defeats the purpose |
| 19:13.01 | brlcad | and is actually more expensive if it was something that mattered performance-wise (not likely) |
| 19:13.35 | starseeker | where do we hint? |
| 19:14.08 | brlcad | bu.h |
| 19:14.59 | brlcad | look for __STRICT_ANSI__ .. that's where I "turn it off" presently, but __STRICT_ANSI__ will only get set if -std= is set, which we can't enable |
| 19:15.10 | starseeker | hrm |
| 19:15.17 | brlcad | need a better toggle |
| 19:15.36 | brlcad | like maybe an AC_DEFINE from configure |
| 19:16.15 | brlcad | i still need to add a configure toggle too, so we can turn Werror off on the fly if needed without needing an edit |
| 19:16.24 | brlcad | (for third-party users) |
| 19:16.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36531 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/nirt.c: |
| 19:16.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: Mods to accommodate an earlier change to the nirt application (.i.e. the |
| 19:16.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: application is no longer setting the file modes to O_BINARY). Here we, likewise, |
| 19:16.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: no longer set the file modes to O_BINARY and strip of any CRLF's we find. |
| 19:17.03 | brlcad | o.O |
| 19:17.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36532 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parallel.c: quell warning, print the pointer as a pointer instead of a size_t |
| 19:18.09 | starseeker | ah, that does make more sense |
| 19:20.08 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36533 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: cleaned up original ellipse function stubs and some reordering |
| 19:21.17 | starseeker | brlcad: the one ``Erik and I really aren't sure what to do with is bu_rb_summarize_tree in rb_diag.c |
| 19:21.59 | brlcad | what about it? |
| 19:22.40 | starseeker | hang on, let me regenerate the exact error |
| 19:23.08 | brlcad | more than likely, just not passing a voi* |
| 19:24.09 | starseeker | yeah, except one of them (I think the one on line 111) won't take that cast |
| 19:24.18 | starseeker | it's some kind of violation of ISO C |
| 19:24.23 | brlcad | saw those _WIN32's that bob slipped in! |
| 19:25.03 | starseeker | did a lot of (void *) casting in his reverted changes - if that's what's needed I can turn it back on |
| 19:25.14 | brlcad | ah, yeah, you can't cast a function to a void* |
| 19:25.23 | brlcad | people do it all the time and expect it |
| 19:25.38 | brlcad | but the standard says no pretty clearly |
| 19:26.18 | brlcad | probably just not passing the address |
| 19:27.56 | brlcad | looks |
| 19:28.54 | brlcad | the bigger issue is what value is there to printing a red-black tree comparison function address |
| 19:28.55 | Emton | probably a novelty but rttherm isn't in the windows distro |
| 19:29.21 | brlcad | Emton: there are about 150 of 400 binaries missing from windows, iirc |
| 19:29.31 | Emton | ok |
| 19:29.34 | brlcad | er, sorry, flip that |
| 19:29.49 | brlcad | there are about 250 missing, 150 existing of 400 |
| 19:30.09 | Emton | wow, alright is that because they dev work? |
| 19:30.24 | brlcad | yeah, just nobody working on that |
| 19:30.35 | brlcad | nothing hard .. just very tedious |
| 19:30.37 | Emton | yea, i would but i don't have VS |
| 19:30.50 | brlcad | could try express ;) |
| 19:30.52 | brlcad | tis free |
| 19:31.11 | Emton | heh, i'll take a look at it |
| 19:31.16 | brlcad | I think someone even reported that it worked with our multi-project build setup |
| 19:31.23 | Emton | i'm still banging away on my cygwin |
| 19:31.49 | Emton | btw, i put the patch in under icbml for tabinterp.c |
| 19:31.51 | brlcad | if you get the hankering, misc/win32-msvc8 is the dir -- brlcad solution |
| 19:32.01 | brlcad | icbml? |
| 19:32.04 | Emton | ok |
| 19:32.09 | brlcad | ~icbml |
| 19:32.10 | Emton | yea, that's my old handle |
| 19:32.14 | brlcad | ahh |
| 19:32.14 | brlcad | k |
| 19:32.35 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:32.44 | Emton | heheh |
| 19:33.24 | brlcad | tsk tsk .. someone had you post a tracker for a one-liner.. good to know the usual process though :) |
| 19:33.37 | Emton | !!starseeker |
| 19:33.41 | Emton | ugh |
| 19:33.44 | Emton | yea |
| 19:33.50 | Emton | but at least now I know the process |
| 19:35.07 | brlcad | that said.. on the surface, not sure I believe that fix.. |
| 19:35.26 | brlcad | that times[] array is what it's supposed to use for rate interpolation iirc |
| 19:35.43 | brlcad | really old chunk of code, but otherwise the table wouldn't be used (or needed) |
| 19:36.12 | brlcad | maybe you have bad times[t] values |
| 19:36.13 | Emton | not sure, but the rate part itself is a simple step val generator |
| 19:36.33 | Emton | i compiled that and it worked as expectd |
| 19:36.53 | starseeker | brlcad: had him post to (a) learn the process and (b) cause I wasn't sure and wanted someone else to check it |
| 19:37.02 | Emton | it should just iterate for every row and times the row (i) by a constant (the rate) |
| 19:37.39 | Emton | i ripped the blurb in the tracker from the tabinterp man page |
| 19:37.42 | brlcad | starseeker: I know, just giving you some grief ;) |
| 19:37.53 | starseeker | loves grief :-) |
| 19:38.02 | brlcad | I know how "fun" it is to post tracker items |
| 19:38.09 | Emton | hehe |
| 19:39.42 | brlcad | hm |
| 19:40.40 | brlcad | yeah, this really feels like it only works because it's using linear interpolation and the t param matches |
| 19:40.59 | brlcad | there are different interpoliation modes where t isn't what you'd want |
| 19:41.10 | Emton | yea, it's really not even an interp it's a val generator |
| 19:41.30 | Emton | before it would step by 3.5 for me no matter what |
| 19:41.59 | brlcad | nods |
| 19:43.08 | brlcad | well, frankly you're the first to but the interpolater to use in a few years, so taking it at face value ;) |
| 19:43.19 | Emton | hehe, i was trying to use it so I could be lazy and not take keyframe saveviews for my anims |
| 19:43.44 | Emton | btw, i pushed everything into a shell script and it works pretty well |
| 19:44.18 | Emton | not sure if anyone, is interested but i could post if ppl are doing animations |
| 19:45.39 | starseeker | I'm sure some folks would be interested |
| 19:46.27 | Emton | hmm.. well i will clean it up and post to?? tracker? |
| 19:46.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36534 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tab/tabinterp.c: |
| 19:46.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: apply imcbml/Emton's sf patch 2899596 (TABINTERP RATE INTERP) where the rate |
| 19:46.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: interpolation function was taking the (fixed) times table value instead of |
| 19:46.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: directly using the simple interpolation t value. this should hopefully fix a |
| 19:46.36 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: tabinterp bug with rate-based table interpolation, but untested. |
| 19:47.27 | starseeker | Emton: sounds like a good candidate for the wiki |
| 19:47.31 | starseeker | brlcad.org |
| 19:47.55 | Emton | alright, just edit and post there |
| 19:48.26 | starseeker | yep |
| 19:48.34 | starseeker | is looking for good example |
| 19:48.59 | starseeker | might even add to this: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Animation |
| 19:49.04 | Emton | yea |
| 19:49.12 | Emton | that's where i was looking |
| 19:50.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36535 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tab/tabinterp.c: ws indent style formatting cleanup |
| 19:50.51 | Emton | although this is not a tutorial, this just a shell script to automate what goes on in most of those tutorials |
| 19:51.24 | starseeker | no problem :-) |
| 19:51.52 | Emton | hehe, ok well i'll put it up there after i clean it up (the non-generic) |
| 19:54.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36536 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/libbu/parse.c): Add a configure option to disable strict compiler flags at need (-disable-strict) - they're enabled by default but this provides a convenient way to turn them off. |
| 19:55.59 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36537 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parse.c: Blast it, sucked in change by mistake. |
| 20:10.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36538 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac include/bu.h): Add an configure based flag for the format hitting toggle - this should be more robust for turning on/off format checking. |
| 20:10.27 | starseeker | brlcad: see if that looks OK... |
| 20:13.37 | brlcad | Emton: and keep the patches coming ;) |
| 20:13.47 | brlcad | don't have to be bug fixes |
| 20:18.43 | brlcad | starseeker: looks good |
| 20:19.07 | brlcad | just maybe not in the summary, prime realestate |
| 20:20.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36539 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tab/tabinterp.c: restructure so forward declarations are not needed |
| 20:21.55 | Emton | heh, alright well looks like i'm getting closer to a fix on my cygwin env problems - seems my AntiVir soft was hooking opened files and holding onto the pointers - latest SVN pull of BRLCAD has been compiling for the last .5hr without real hiccups =) |
| 20:22.23 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, I was torn - I'll go ahead and nuke |
| 20:22.39 | starseeker | eventually it shouldn't be an issue anyhow |
| 20:23.21 | brlcad | when in doubt, yank |
| 20:23.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36540 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Take strict building out of summary |
| 20:24.01 | starseeker | yanked |
| 20:24.12 | brlcad | rather have it short, 50% informative, and used 90% of the time than long, 90% informative, and used 50% of the time.. ;) |
| 20:25.09 | brlcad | few other items in there could probably get nuked at some point |
| 20:27.21 | starseeker | winces - opennurbs_ext.cpp + mmintrin.h is now the breakage point |
| 20:27.22 | starseeker | ouch |
| 20:27.41 | starseeker | brlcad: can I nuke jove from that summary? (next best thing to nuking jove...) |
| 20:29.14 | starseeker | what the bleepitty bleeepity bleep... it's complaining about conversions in the header files |
| 20:31.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36541 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tab/tabinterp.c: quell warnings, couples bugs |
| 20:31.49 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, that'd be a good one |
| 20:32.10 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m68eefb84 |
| 20:32.14 | brlcad | what plat are you on? |
| 20:32.50 | starseeker | OSX 10.4 |
| 20:33.12 | starseeker | pastebin is the full error |
| 20:33.19 | brlcad | this isn't something new is it? |
| 20:33.36 | starseeker | just when I got past libbu and libbn with strict on |
| 20:33.37 | brlcad | doesn't recall modding librt |
| 20:33.48 | brlcad | only bu/bn have strict enabled |
| 20:33.53 | starseeker | erm |
| 20:34.16 | brlcad | as seen in your compile line .. no warning flags ;) |
| 20:34.38 | starseeker | ok... |
| 20:34.51 | brlcad | isn't that the fpu/gpu issue? |
| 20:34.52 | starseeker | what'd I break now... |
| 20:35.01 | starseeker | oh, could be |
| 20:35.19 | starseeker | that's right, the insufficient test |
| 20:35.45 | brlcad | though the other was an illegal instruction |
| 20:35.56 | starseeker | that one puzzled me (nothing new) - we seem to be doing sse testing in that include conditional... |
| 20:36.44 | starseeker | growls |
| 20:38.13 | starseeker | the other instance was a step-g conv triggered thing, iirc |
| 20:38.22 | brlcad | ah, yes |
| 20:45.47 | brlcad | starseeker: you still have that opennurbs_ext.cpp error? |
| 20:46.07 | starseeker | I started over without strict enabled and got by it |
| 20:46.11 | brlcad | just noticed your compile line is missing sse directives |
| 20:46.23 | starseeker | hmm |
| 20:46.25 | brlcad | turning strict off got by it? |
| 20:46.29 | starseeker | yep |
| 20:46.31 | brlcad | o.O |
| 20:47.00 | brlcad | ahhh |
| 20:47.06 | starseeker | let me capture the compile line from this one... |
| 20:47.25 | starseeker | /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../brlcad/src/librt -I../../include -I../../../brlcad/src/other/libregex -I../../../brlcad/src/other/tcl/generic -I../../../brlcad/src/other/tcl/unix -DOBJ_BREP=1 -I../../../brlcad/src/other/tnt -I../../../brlcad/src/other/openNURBS -I../../../brlcad/src/other/libz -DBRLCADBUILD=1 -I../../../brlcad/include -I../../../brlcad/src/other/openNURBS -I../../../brlcad/src/other/li |
| 20:47.26 | brlcad | I wonder if it's leaving a flag set during configure |
| 20:47.41 | brlcad | that looks normal |
| 20:47.45 | brlcad | no warning flags |
| 20:47.57 | brlcad | so the only diff should be brlcad_config.h detections |
| 20:48.18 | brlcad | and that is missing -msse to enable sse support |
| 20:48.23 | brlcad | hence the failure |
| 20:49.24 | starseeker | sees an sse section commented out in configure.ac |
| 20:49.52 | brlcad | needs msse or msse2 or msse3 |
| 20:50.15 | starseeker | how is strict vs. non-strict impacting anything? |
| 20:50.32 | brlcad | it really shouldn't |
| 20:51.15 | brlcad | only thing that comes to mind is a flag is getting left set .. and further function/lib/header checks then fail |
| 20:52.45 | starseeker | unless it's something done by BC_COMPILER_AND_LINKER_RECOGNIZES I'm at a loss |
| 20:54.12 | brlcad | yeah, dunno .. the [no] at the end specifically means don't leave the flags set |
| 20:54.32 | brlcad | compare your config outputs |
| 20:54.52 | brlcad | for the same flags, they shouldn't be diff other than the strict define |
| 20:58.24 | brlcad | hm |
| 21:00.41 | starseeker | maybe this is one of those weird "tree not clean things..." |
| 21:01.04 | starseeker | is generating configure logs for both options |
| 21:02.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36542 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Added a public putString method. |
| 21:05.28 | brlcad | hm, could be that too |
| 21:06.49 | brlcad | but oddness is why it would work *without* strict .. |
| 21:06.58 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:07.22 | brlcad | it HAS to be determining SSE is unavailable somehow |
| 21:07.27 | brlcad | yet with strict on, it tries it |
| 21:07.42 | brlcad | maybe two problems :) |
| 21:07.58 | starseeker | it thinks it is available - remember the step-g problem |
| 21:08.15 | brlcad | since the whole sse section in configure.ac is disabled, it's likely just the emmintrin.h header test or something |
| 21:08.53 | brlcad | since you're working on it, could add a --enable-vector-build option (that's why it's commented out) |
| 21:09.13 | starseeker | hmm - that's a thought |
| 21:09.37 | starseeker | let me figure out why this is busted before I throw in another variable, but that sounds like a good idea |
| 21:13.15 | starseeker | nothing convincing in conf.log diffs |
| 21:15.25 | brlcad | what about config.h themselves? |
| 21:15.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36543 10/brlcad/trunk/ (AUTHORS NEWS): credit Emton (irc) aka icmbml (sf) with special thanks for his 1-liner patch to tabinterp. should fix a rate interpolation bug where interpolation was at fixed (incorrectly large) increments. |
| 21:15.45 | starseeker | only diff is the line where HAVE_STRICT is comment out vs. defined |
| 21:16.06 | brlcad | that's exactly what I would have expected ... so ..... |
| 21:16.10 | brlcad | something else is going on |
| 21:16.15 | starseeker | doing a clean build now |
| 21:17.04 | starseeker | I take it there should be no issue merging libraries built with the flags (bu and bn ) with libraries built without them? |
| 21:17.54 | brlcad | nope |
| 21:18.27 | starseeker | shoot - it repeated itself |
| 21:18.35 | brlcad | not even different object code output, just tells the compiler 1) to report most warnings, and 2) stop if it finds any |
| 21:19.18 | brlcad | trace through just compiling that one file |
| 21:19.46 | brlcad | see if it's getting to the fpu or gpu vector header for both (tossing in #error's can help) |
| 21:20.40 | starseeker | wait - let me see what happens if I go back, recompile libbu and bn without the flags, and do this again |
| 21:21.46 | starseeker | brlcad: are you on a Mac? |
| 21:23.16 | starseeker | phew - OK, that still fails |
| 21:23.28 | starseeker | ok, what'd I mess up in configure.ac... |
| 21:33.26 | starseeker | god this is strange |
| 21:33.40 | starseeker | I have teh g++ commands for both and they're identical |
| 21:39.45 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, confirmed now - switching the line from /* #undef HAVE_STRICT_FLAGS */ to #define HAVE_STRICT_FLAGS 1 in brlcad_config.h is what causes the failure |
| 21:42.38 | starseeker | I just have no idea why |
| 21:43.03 | Emton | fyi, compiling on Cygwin I had to cp src/other/tk/win/*.h ../unix |
| 21:44.53 | Emton | perhaps we can put a README_CYGWIN file in? |
| 21:46.18 | Emton | I'd be happy to write a quick blurb from my pains on it.. heh |
| 21:46.26 | starseeker | go for it :-) |
| 21:46.48 | Emton | alright, done |
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| 21:55.53 | starseeker | hheeeellllpppp |
| 21:56.01 | louipc | wasup |
| 21:57.03 | starseeker | autoconf/automake bizarreness |
| 21:57.06 | starseeker | I think |
| 21:57.31 | louipc | heheh |
| 21:58.41 | Emton | .Tpo -c -o brlcad_path.lo brlcad_path.c |
| 21:58.41 | Emton | In file included from ../../include/brlcad_version.h:84, |
| 21:58.41 | Emton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.41 | Emton | ../../include/conf/COUNT:1:1: invalid suffix "n" on integer constant |
| 21:58.41 | Emton | ../../include/conf/COUNT:1:3: no newline at end of file |
| 21:59.05 | Emton | in the include/conf/COUNT file is 1n |
| 21:59.16 | Emton | anybody know if this does anything important? |
| 22:03.08 | Emton | heh, seems like all those generated files popped an n on the end wherever they came from |
| 22:03.29 | Emton | cat DATE: "Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:18:59 -0500"n |
| 22:03.59 | Emton | cat HOST: "nada_lada"n |
| 22:04.22 | Emton | MAJOR and MINOR don't have it |
| 22:07.23 | Emton | so, DATE HOST COUNT TS PATH USER have what looks like a linefeed that never happened |
| 22:08.33 | starseeker | those are autogenerated, iirc - so yeah, probably linefeed/end of line fun |
| 22:08.49 | starseeker | (sucks) |
| 22:09.47 | Emton | yea |
| 22:10.28 | Emton | they keep getting gen'd on the fly hehe |
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| 22:15.10 | Emton | ok, is fixed include/conf/Makefile:110 from >>> ECHO = printf %s\n |
| 22:15.26 | Emton | to <<< ECHO = printf %s |
| 22:17.02 | Emton | hehe.. hang on - it *likes* to have line feeds |
| 22:17.16 | Emton | not n's but real line feeds, hehe hang on |
| 22:17.31 | starseeker | Emton: the trick will be a solution that works in cygwin and other platforms |
| 22:17.44 | Emton | yea |
| 22:18.17 | brlcad | starseeker: if you take the one that works (i.e. doesn't define HAVE_STRICT_FLAGS) and run: make CPPFLAGS=-DHAVE_STRICT_FLAGS=1 |
| 22:19.34 | Emton | ok, include/conf/Makefile: 110 ECHO = printf "%s\n" |
| 22:19.35 | Emton | works |
| 22:20.50 | Emton | starseeker could you test it on real unix/linux? |
| 22:21.05 | brlcad | Emton: include/conf/Makefile is autogenerated |
| 22:21.10 | brlcad | ECHO is set during configure |
| 22:21.20 | Emton | ok |
| 22:21.36 | brlcad | that would be an autoconf/automake bug |
| 22:21.40 | Emton | on Cygwin looks like the open air format bombs |
| 22:21.45 | brlcad | something that could probably be tested for in configure.ac though |
| 22:22.24 | Emton | yea |
| 22:22.43 | brlcad | if you look in there now, there's a section that makes sure ECHO is at least set (to accommodate an older autoconf bug where it wouldn't even set it) |
| 22:22.59 | brlcad | could test if it's that printf string, and remap it to be quoted |
| 22:24.44 | brlcad | kind of odd they's miss something like that with \n .. might find something insightful if you read through the raw configure script to see how it gets to that point |
| 22:25.03 | Emton | yea, seems basic |
| 22:25.21 | Emton | also weird that they have a ECHO_N but use plain ECHO for the linefeed |
| 22:31.26 | starseeker | brlcad: Ah HA! got it |
| 22:31.45 | starseeker | vector_x86.h and vector_fpu.h both have __attribute__ in them |
| 22:31.59 | starseeker | which is being undefed by bu.h |
| 22:32.47 | Emton | another problem src/libbu/malloc.c:505 needs count to be cast as (long) |
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| 22:34.57 | brlcad | AAHHHHHhhhh... |
| 22:35.00 | brlcad | that makes sense starseeker |
| 22:35.17 | starseeker | let me see if I can narrow the undef |
| 22:35.34 | brlcad | probably shouldn't undef __attribute__ .. maybe just our BU_ attributes |
| 22:39.00 | Emton | problem at src/libbu/parse.c:2187 %V format val not recognized |
| 22:39.07 | brlcad | times like this I love emacs .. figured out what I needed, gotta love introspection |
| 22:39.12 | starseeker | Emton: we're working that now |
| 22:39.20 | Emton | heh, oh ok |
| 22:39.27 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm? |
| 22:39.46 | Emton | yea, i get a bunch more errors after I changed those |
| 22:39.55 | brlcad | starseeker: nothing important .. just wanted to sort a range of lines quickly, based on a field (not just lexicographic) |
| 22:40.01 | Emton | resorted to make -i heh |
| 22:40.13 | starseeker | ah |
| 22:40.23 | brlcad | Emton: if you make CFLAGS=-w it should work |
| 22:40.36 | Emton | what's that -w for? |
| 22:40.52 | brlcad | tells it to not report warnings |
| 22:40.57 | Emton | heh ok |
| 22:41.12 | brlcad | just added strict compilation settings to libbu and libbn yesterday |
| 22:41.23 | brlcad | any warnings cause a failure |
| 22:41.30 | Emton | thanks, the -i i think is ig'ing the errors |
| 22:41.37 | Emton | ok yea |
| 22:41.40 | brlcad | the -w will make them not be errors |
| 22:41.50 | brlcad | otherwise it'll still fail to link |
| 22:42.17 | Emton | it's going good now |
| 22:42.19 | Emton | =) |
| 22:42.34 | starseeker | brlcad: hrm. How do I selectively undef just the format, printf, etc. stuff? |
| 22:42.46 | starseeker | undef __attribute__ ((__format__)) doesn't seem to work |
| 22:42.49 | brlcad | that's the BU attrs |
| 22:43.23 | starseeker | oh, like BU_ATTR_FORMAT12? |
| 22:43.30 | brlcad | __BU_ATTR... make those be conditional instead of __attribute__ itself |
| 22:43.57 | brlcad | alternative, make the __attribute__ in the dvec code be a __BE define too, set before it's undefd |
| 22:45.13 | Emton | btw, before i mention malloc.c:110 cast as long but perhaps should just change the format to %i? shouldn't be able to hold long infos anywayz |
| 22:45.57 | brlcad | 110? |
| 22:46.04 | brlcad | that's a blank line for me |
| 22:46.08 | Emton | whoops, malloc.c:505 in src/libbu |
| 22:46.19 | Emton | my bad |
| 22:47.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36544 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/malloc.c: cast away the size_t to the size we're printing (thx emton) |
| 22:47.58 | Emton | =) |
| 22:48.07 | brlcad | you could end up with long entries |
| 22:49.28 | Emton | ok, (long) is better then |
| 22:49.59 | brlcad | unsigned ;) |
| 22:50.23 | Emton | hehe yea |
| 22:50.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36545 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/malloc.c: dead ws |
| 22:55.55 | starseeker | so far, it looks like the compiler is complaining unless __attribute__(ignore) is defined |
| 22:56.23 | starseeker | hmmm |
| 22:58.51 | starseeker | there we go |
| 23:01.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36546 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: Don't want to totally undef __attributes__ - causes problems with the vector_x86.h and probably vector_fpu.h files. |
| 23:06.45 | starseeker | phew - nbuilding now |
| 23:07.20 | brlcad | yay |
| 23:07.29 | starseeker | that was fun |
| 23:09.29 | ``Erik | clean on 32 and 64, leenewx bsd and mac? |
| 23:09.36 | ``Erik | msvc? |
| 23:09.58 | starseeker | hmm? |
| 23:10.10 | starseeker | I'm building on Mac |
| 23:10.58 | ``Erik | likes to leave his src on nfs and build in /usr/tmp/ dirs simultaniously on multiple platforms to verify portability |
| 23:11.21 | starseeker | gets confused enough doing one at at time |
| 23:11.28 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 23:11.42 | ``Erik | yeah, ya seemed confused when I started bouncing around in screens to start my spread |
| 23:12.20 | starseeker | <snort> you had some problem with not picking up the configure.ac change |
| 23:12.48 | ``Erik | no, I had the configure.ac change just fine, it was one of the .c files, my mods were preventing svn from updating it |
| 23:18.03 | starseeker | ah |
| 23:18.29 | starseeker | sighs in relief - no other issues, build finished on Mac |
| 23:18.48 | starseeker | ``Erik: anyway, this isn't one of the toying with casting issues |
| 23:19.02 | starseeker | just the build logic nuking too much stuff |
| 23:20.17 | starseeker | I can't recall - did someone find a clean solution to that rb_diag.c problem with the function pointer casting? |
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| 23:41.26 | brlcad | fg |
| 23:41.35 | brlcad | didn't look into it |
| 23:41.52 | brlcad | quick thought would be to just not print the address |
| 23:41.57 | brlcad | nonissue |
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| 00:54.35 | ``Erik | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=33364 good old blue angels |
| 01:27.52 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36547 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/other/step/configure.ac): reverse the strict-build variable to be consistent with the others, remove AC_C_PROTOTYPES (we assume c89 compliance as a minimum) |
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| 01:55.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36548 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (fnmatch.c htond.c htonf.c interrupt.c malloc.c parse.c): |
| 01:55.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: slew of additional warnings getting seeded out by different compilers. these |
| 01:55.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: are mostly all related to assert() and unreachable code (due to a bug in the |
| 01:55.23 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: implementation of libc's assert()), resorting to BU_ASSERT where feasible. |
| 01:55.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: there were a few goto sections that needed rewiring too. |
| 02:55.48 | starseeker | kicks off another llvm-gcc compile |
| 03:00.20 | starseeker | ``Erik: what was that other potential gcc replacement compiler you mentioned? |
| 03:03.10 | starseeker | oh, TenDRA |
| 03:04.25 | starseeker | erm. both of the main TenDRA links led nowhere from wikipedia |
| 03:06.16 | starseeker | ``Erik: is there still active work anywhere on this system? |
| 03:10.25 | louipc | hah who's replacing gcc? |
| 03:10.58 | starseeker | llvm + clang, eventually |
| 03:15.17 | ``Erik | hrm, looks like it was abandoned a few years ago :/ |
| 03:15.42 | ``Erik | there was a commit to the fbsd port a few days ago, but probably just keeping the ports ok :/ |
| 03:18.17 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36549 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/str.c: Well, it's now down to just these changes on gentoo for both libbu and libbn, so hope these are more robust across platform configs (looks like they should be...) |
| 03:18.27 | starseeker | ``Erik: ah. That's probably I hear so much about clang then |
| 03:24.11 | starseeker | brlcad: as long as we're at it, what's the next target for strict compiling? |
| 03:31.41 | ``Erik | damn that was a weird southpark |
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| 03:44.15 | brlcad | starseeker: just working my way down our libs list |
| 03:45.12 | brlcad | means libsysv, libpc, and librt are next, followed by the bench_dirs |
| 03:45.35 | brlcad | sysv should be simple, librt a bit more tedious but it's not too bad as it is either |
| 03:46.01 | brlcad | src/Makefile.am has them listed in order |
| 03:46.21 | brlcad | fries up a pound of bacon and continues at the warnings |
| 03:57.33 | starseeker | coool - llvm-gcc compile just finished on trunk |
| 03:58.14 | starseeker | libpc... hmm... doesn't that have all those warning about obsolete boost stuff? |
| 04:00.25 | starseeker | wonders how mged would fair with strict |
| 04:03.47 | brlcad | starseeker: benchmark comparison? (llvm |
| 04:04.19 | brlcad | libpc does have obsolete boost warnings.. will either have to fix em or skip the lib .. but they're problems that need to be addressed regardless :) |
| 04:25.19 | Emton | thinking, dam brlcad loves to eat up cpu - in a good way =) |
| 04:25.28 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36550 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/anim.c: ws comment indent cleanup |
| 04:28.41 | Emton | heh, see u like to keep the code well structured |
| 04:29.18 | Emton | maybe a "beautifier" would help? |
| 04:38.14 | ``Erik | yeh, we use 'em |
| 05:22.01 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36551 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/ (anim.c complex.c mat.c): quell a bunch of additional warnings, mostly unreliable floating point comparisons. |
| 05:22.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36552 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/fortran.c: quell additional warning about y1 shadowing. rename all vars with a p prefix |
| 05:38.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36553 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/mat.c: tighten up the comparisons using SMALL_FASTF .. possibly too tight and need to relax to VDIVIDE_TOL, but 'should' be fine. |
| 05:52.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36554 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/noise.c: cleanup |
| 06:26.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36555 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/ (noise.c plane.c plot3.c poly.c sphmap.c tabdata.c): quell a variety of verbose warnings, mostly floating comparisons and shadowed vars |
| 06:29.25 | brlcad | Emton: on a large codebase, it's a necessity for code survivability and maintainability |
| 06:29.40 | brlcad | but yeah, I enjoy refactoring in general |
| 06:36.08 | brlcad | we run a variety of beautifiers, scripts, macros .. rarely any of them do a good job without being reviewed carefully |
| 06:45.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36556 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/vector.c: quell floating point comparison warning |
| 06:57.02 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36557 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/ (vector.c wavelet.c): quell various extra warnings, particularly shadowing and floating point comparisons |
| 07:08.04 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36558 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/htester.c: quell additional warnings for getting sizeof double at runtime |
| 07:10.35 | brlcad | that should fix up bu/bn for this platform |
| 07:19.44 | brlcad | stephen found this gem to help with our lunch searchings: http://eatingtheroad.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/whereshouldieat.jpg |
| 07:43.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1865 10/wiki/Talk:BRL-CAD_Commands: |
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| 12:41.52 | Emton | yea, i hear you - esp. w/this much legacy code probably difficult |
| 12:43.24 | Emton | finds his eats at happycow.net |
| 12:43.27 | Emton | =) |
| 12:44.10 | Emton | BRL kicks ass, i've finished some prettty animations |
| 12:44.33 | Emton | only had to touch up slightly in gimp |
| 12:45.35 | Emton | nice-to-have would be set bg color to alpha |
| 12:46.09 | Emton | but combining BRL w/Image Magick & Gimp and perhaps Kino you got serious tools |
| 13:16.09 | starseeker | brlcad: erm - have to rebuild optimized. been a while since I benched on this machine, I'll have to do both |
| 13:16.13 | starseeker | starts rebuilding |
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| 14:12.30 | starseeker | crud - we fail on optimized case |
| 14:13.15 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m62486986 |
| 14:16.16 | starseeker | sees if make benchmark will run... |
| 14:18.18 | ``Erik | heh |
| 14:19.26 | starseeker | nope |
| 14:20.02 | brlcad | that might be my tolerance tightening last night |
| 14:20.32 | brlcad | that's a pretty near-zero xyz |
| 14:30.28 | starseeker | you're thinking the mat.c change in libbn? |
| 14:37.04 | starseeker | switches the SMALL_FASTF to VDIVIDE_TOL... |
| 14:50.24 | starseeker | no, that didn't do it... |
| 14:52.27 | starseeker | might get away with ignoring that one, the benchmark doesn't seem to use it... |
| 14:56.35 | starseeker | er, wow - raytrace isn't happy |
| 15:00.12 | starseeker | here's the llvm-gcc compile benchmarks: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m480034f0 |
| 15:00.39 | starseeker | need to start over and see if the wrong results are the compiler |
| 15:08.58 | starseeker | alright, I'll have to get those results tonight |
| 15:09.05 | starseeker | 's machine suuuucks... |
| 15:26.32 | brlcad | starseeker: that zero tol is above VDIVIDE_TOL too |
| 15:26.48 | brlcad | 0.00001 was what it was at iirc |
| 15:27.31 | brlcad | running a build/test herre |
| 15:34.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36559 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/color.c: set to avoid gcc's "may be used uninitialized" error. |
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| 15:44.03 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36560 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (malloc.c stat.c): more uninitialized warnings quelled |
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| 17:36.28 | starseeker | hmm - we should update Keith's authorship info.. |
| 17:39.40 | starseeker | thinks he is both active and developer |
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| 18:10.51 | starseeker | well, getting wrong results on the Mac too, so it looks like it wasn't llvm-gcc |
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| 18:34.17 | brlcad | starseeker: i'm working on a fix |
| 18:34.57 | brlcad | really need a way to set the tolerance, but that's an old API |
| 18:36.43 | brlcad | so I can either underlay a new set of calls that support tolerancing.. (with the old calling the new with the old tolerances), punt and mod the API with an additional parameter, or make libbn tolerancing stateful with a getter/setter to mod it |
| 18:37.32 | starseeker | is the cleanest way to mod the API? |
| 18:37.49 | brlcad | of course :) |
| 18:37.55 | starseeker | votes for that way |
| 18:38.07 | brlcad | the first is clean too (eventually), just takes a lot longer |
| 18:38.53 | starseeker | but once the calls supporting tolerancing are in, the ones without it become unnecessary except to support code that hasn't been updated, yes? |
| 18:42.19 | brlcad | right |
| 18:42.22 | brlcad | instantly deprecated |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36561 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/mat.c: |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: choosing the weakest tolerance, VUNITIZE_TOL, returns our conversion regression |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: to a working state. there are v4 stored matrices that are within default |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: computation tolerance (0.0005 -- actually around 1.0e16), but not nearly tight |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: enough for SMALL_FASTF's 1.0e-77. still failing star regression though. |
| 18:42.48 | brlcad | wouldn't be able to remove the old api for about a year |
| 18:42.58 | brlcad | (3 minor releases) |
| 18:43.28 | brlcad | though arguably, there would be an alternative .. so could deprecate and remove after one release |
| 18:44.43 | starseeker | indeed - that fix should be quite simple for any external breakage - just stick in the previous hard coded default and the behavior becomes identical |
| 18:45.59 | brlcad | star is interesting.. just 75 pixels off by many |
| 18:47.22 | brlcad | ah, cute.. it's the shuttle craft |
| 18:48.19 | brlcad | ah, more of the same, shuttle's matrices are 1.0e-6 |
| 19:19.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36562 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/mat.c: |
| 19:19.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: fix the remaining tolerance failure (star regression) by restoring bn_mat_ck() |
| 19:19.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: to it's previous 0.00001 tolerance, adding a comment as to why it cannot be |
| 19:19.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: tightened further. can mod the api on the next minor release to add a tolerance |
| 19:19.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: parameter. |
| 19:42.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36563 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/util/pixdiff.c): |
| 19:42.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: make pixdiff output the common case, where the images match, not just at an |
| 19:42.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: ntsc-biased B&W grayscale, but make it also output at half-intensity. this lets |
| 19:42.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: the differences really get accentuated and makes even brightly matching images |
| 19:42.22 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: distinguishable from off-by-many differences. |
| 19:47.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36564 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/pixdiff.c: minor cleanup |
| 20:47.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36565 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/deprecation.txt: |
| 20:47.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: expand, clarify, and simplify. remove the loose concept of 'critical functions' |
| 20:47.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: as these rules can be applied pretty uniformly with a little clarification. one |
| 20:47.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: clarification being that the deprecation rules apply to both user and developer |
| 20:47.44 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: interface changes, but only for publicly published interfaces. be more clear |
| 20:47.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: that changes that pass a regex search-and-replace test are generally minimally |
| 20:47.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: impacting and okay (but still only during minor releases, not patch releases). |
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| 01:01.13 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36566 10/brlcad/trunk/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Start roughing out a callback approach to supplying bn_vlists to libdm. Not getting rid of drawVList yet, but adding draw and doing some basic tests. |
| 01:09.43 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36567 10/isst/trunk/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): minor simplification of GTK+2 search |
| 01:30.35 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36568 10/brlcad/trunk/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Convert entirely to draw from drawVList. |
| 02:17.38 | starseeker | starts following the winding threads of the rtgl job system |
| 02:21.30 | ``Erik | careful, you may be eaten by a grue. |
| 02:21.38 | starseeker | no kidding |
| 02:21.55 | starseeker | or more probably glGrue() |
| 02:25.32 | ``Erik | glEnable(GLX_ARB_grue_object_enable); |
| 02:25.45 | ``Erik | glQuake3(); |
| 02:25.46 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:25.51 | starseeker | hehe |
| 02:26.18 | starseeker | ah, quake - a million ways to die, with the lava being the most probable... |
| 02:26.27 | ``Erik | no |
| 02:26.31 | ``Erik | my rocket is the most possible. |
| 02:26.33 | ``Erik | even for me. |
| 02:26.33 | ``Erik | :> |
| 02:26.52 | starseeker | yeah, rocket jumping was a kind of... dangerous art |
| 02:26.54 | ``Erik | Br0X gibbed himself! |
| 02:27.12 | ``Erik | I used to be pretty good at quakeworld |
| 02:28.02 | ``Erik | with my badass 120mhz cyrix machine, 48 megs of ram, and a 4m voodooG card crankin' that glide-gl bridge |
| 02:28.10 | ``Erik | <-- does gansta geek handsigns |
| 02:28.50 | starseeker | was slightly less imposing with his ascii quake on an i386... |
| 02:28.59 | starseeker | wonder if that still exists... |
| 02:29.17 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 02:29.30 | ``Erik | never did an actual 386, went from commodore 64/128 to 486 |
| 02:29.55 | ``Erik | I'd USED 286's and 386's... y'know, playing scorched earth and mechwarrior at school |
| 02:29.58 | starseeker | ah, yes... http://www.jfedor.org/aaquake2/ |
| 02:30.25 | ``Erik | (because scorched earth was a damn good use of class time in highschool.) |
| 02:30.35 | starseeker | come to think of it, IIRC my monitor sucked so bad I couldn't display enough ascii characters to pull it off |
| 02:30.38 | starseeker | hehe |
| 02:30.46 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 02:31.06 | ``Erik | <-- shows off his tatung 14" b&w vga monitor (yes, vga, not svga... max resolution of 640x400) |
| 02:32.18 | ``Erik | at one point, I'd opened it up, turned the yoke 90 degrees and unwired some of the control circuitry, if you have a source voltage peaking in teh 45-90 range, it was an effective ghetto oscilloscope :) |
| 02:32.25 | ``Erik | and I didn't even electrocute myself |
| 02:32.36 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:32.51 | starseeker | hehe |
| 02:33.01 | starseeker | well, there goes that logical explanation... |
| 02:33.18 | ``Erik | oh, I got through with electrocuting myself after building a strobe light |
| 02:33.20 | starseeker | must try ascii quake 2 again sometime |
| 02:33.29 | ``Erik | 4kv trigger pin, wee |
| 02:33.35 | starseeker | ow ow ow |
| 02:33.54 | ``Erik | and being as brilliant as I am, I started soldering on it at the beginning of second year electronics |
| 02:34.35 | ``Erik | first and second year shared a classroom/teacher, the first year was lecture for the first half of the year, lab for the second half, then the second year was lab the first half, lecture the second |
| 02:34.58 | ``Erik | so the day the teacher is giving his safety speech, talking about making sure to wear safety glasses while soldering, making sure everything is unplugged and discharged |
| 02:35.11 | ``Erik | I put the soldering iron to the pcb with the strobe light still plugged in |
| 02:35.19 | starseeker | how'd that go? |
| 02:35.43 | ``Erik | kinda exploded in my face, but made an excellent supporting point for the safety lecture |
| 02:36.01 | starseeker | "if you doubt me, ask ``Erik..." |
| 02:36.15 | ``Erik | loud pop, bright flash, sparks flying everywhere |
| 02:36.50 | ``Erik | and *THAT* is the logical explanation... |
| 02:37.22 | starseeker | hehe |
| 02:39.43 | starseeker | hhmm, even more pointless: http://www.meow.org.uk/stan/xserver/ |
| 02:40.04 | starseeker | at least with quake it might (possibly) be the only way to get decent framerates on old hardware... |
| 02:42.45 | ``Erik | quake did some nifty stuff with dirty tricks and raw hw access to do what was thought to be impossible |
| 02:42.49 | ``Erik | "sliver" rendering and all |
| 02:42.55 | ``Erik | funky LUT's |
| 03:28.14 | ``Erik | "they took my roommates tv and my laptop, my zune, dvd player, stereo, watch, all my dvd's,all my checks, my credit cards, my friends xbox 360, my moms digital camera, and my beard trimmer. They left the guitars and the signed footballs. What I can tell is they are musically hopeless, not sports fans, and have beards. I'm turning the evidence over to the police." |
| 03:28.19 | ``Erik | "..you got robbed by nickelback?" |
| 03:39.40 | starseeker | hrm: ../../../brlcad/src/libbu/backtrace.c:131: error: ignoring return value of âdupâ, declared with attribute warn_unused_result |
| 03:41.11 | ``Erik | sooooooo, if(dup(x)){perror("dup"); return EXIT_FAILURE;} ? |
| 03:41.46 | ``Erik | or somethin' |
| 03:42.02 | ``Erik | if stdin and stdout are closed, those dups will fail |
| 03:43.43 | starseeker | why is this just now warning? |
| 03:45.06 | ``Erik | d'no? different CPPFLAGS? updates to the headers or gcc or something? code got fixed enough to get to that test? |
| 03:45.31 | ``Erik | (if'n ya want hurt, try hitting those files with splint) |
| 03:45.39 | starseeker | winces |
| 03:45.51 | starseeker | I'll bet |
| 03:46.05 | starseeker | (sshhh, don't give brlcad ideas...) |
| 03:46.15 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:46.27 | ``Erik | I like to put something like this in my Makefile.am's for personal projects... |
| 03:46.28 | ``Erik | lint: for a in ${rand_SOURCES} ${noinst_HEADERS} ; do splint $(CFLAGS) +posixstrictlib $$a > $$a.lint ; done |
| 03:46.59 | ``Erik | should be on two lines, d'no why it glued 'em together heh |
| 03:47.45 | ``Erik | then I can do "make lint", look at the .lint files and weep profusely |
| 03:47.46 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:48.48 | starseeker | ``Erik: what the hey, integrate it into the build as an optional target |
| 03:48.54 | starseeker | might inspire someone |
| 03:49.03 | starseeker | or tramatize them... |
| 03:49.16 | ``Erik | wonder how easy it would be to abstract it out a bit to shove in Makefile.defs |
| 03:49.47 | ``Erik | -Werror -Wall -W -ansi -pedantic causes 'nuff pain in BRL-CAD, I use those as general working flags on some of my personal projects, so *shrug* |
| 03:50.05 | ``Erik | we have a ways to go before going that far |
| 03:50.15 | starseeker | I'm sure the long term goal would be to get there - might as well have it around |
| 03:50.19 | ``Erik | it's easy to be excessive on a toy project :D |
| 03:50.23 | starseeker | heh |
| 03:50.56 | ``Erik | I think my thing uses some bashisms, though :/ |
| 03:51.52 | starseeker | auuuuuugh - I think I just killed my comparison benchmark results |
| 03:52.01 | starseeker | and when the update busted the build, too |
| 03:52.03 | starseeker | grr |
| 03:52.34 | ``Erik | thinks he needs to cook a metaball regression test :/ |
| 03:52.43 | starseeker | might be a good idea... |
| 03:52.58 | ``Erik | been thinking it for a while, just didn't want to admit it |
| 03:53.55 | ``Erik | run it in retarded accurate mode and cook a fast machine for a few days to generate reference pix files, then tune it to the right balance or something |
| 03:54.18 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:54.32 | starseeker | sounds like a job for the new solaris box |
| 03:54.46 | ``Erik | hm, the 64 core one? |
| 03:54.52 | starseeker | grins evilly |
| 03:55.00 | ``Erik | I'm not sure if it'd be any faster than one of the 6 new xeon boxes |
| 03:55.06 | ``Erik | be interesting to compare |
| 03:55.24 | ``Erik | as soon as brlcad gets off his lazy ass and gets the solaris boxes ready for general consumption :> |
| 03:55.37 | starseeker | I thought at least one of them was there |
| 03:55.50 | ``Erik | um, the opteron one is almost there I think? |
| 03:57.18 | ``Erik | that'd be an amusing thing for an aspiring contribute to glue together... a semi-automated VGR collector, mebbe with some php gd stuff for purdee graphs |
| 03:57.38 | ``Erik | make bench-upload |
| 03:57.40 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 04:04.16 | starseeker | erm - the if(dup) thing didn't work, but assigning the result of dup to some useless integer does |
| 04:05.12 | ``Erik | funky |
| 04:05.24 | ``Erik | I wonder if if(dup()!=0) would work |
| 04:06.30 | starseeker | does disable strict because he wants is benchmark... |
| 04:07.32 | ``Erik | I think it doesn't make sense to attempt to attach like that if any of those dups fail, that's catastrophic failure turf I'd imagine |
| 04:07.56 | starseeker | if ignoring return values is a cardnial sin, we're gonna have some fun with the other libs |
| 04:08.56 | ``Erik | I'd have to check some things, but in this certain case, those dups failing may mean the os is busy exploding *shrug* |
| 04:09.40 | ``Erik | gcc and splint have no way of groking those cases :) |
| 04:15.41 | starseeker | sigh: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/academia_vs_business.png |
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| 05:41.04 | brlcad | woot |
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| 06:16.58 | starseeker | well, it looks initially like llvm-gcc is a bit slower - re-running llvm-gcc with identical code and compile settings just to be sure |
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| 13:22.02 | starseeker | blinks |
| 13:22.09 | starseeker | ok... |
| 13:22.31 | starseeker | must conclude that llvm-gcc vs gcc is a wash - looks like the differences were in the noise |
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| 13:37.09 | brlcad | still going at it, nice |
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| 14:15.03 | starseeker | bastardizes the Makefiles into calling clang instead of llvm-gcc and builds again to see what breaks :-) |
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| 14:29.44 | ``Erik | heh, microsoft trying to patent tufte's sparklines |
| 14:40.20 | starseeker | saw that |
| 14:40.52 | starseeker | actually, I owe them one - I went to amazon to check out Tufte's books and spotted a $40 copy of Lisp in Small Pieces :-) |
| 14:51.20 | starseeker | wow, clang actually got all the way to liboptical |
| 14:51.41 | starseeker | not sure if this is legit: |
| 14:51.42 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/liboptical/sh_billboard.c:117:41: error: initializer element is not a compile-time |
| 14:51.45 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.48 | starseeker | struct bu_structparse bbd_parse_tab[] = { |
| 14:51.50 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.59 | brlcad | it lies |
| 14:52.42 | starseeker | figured |
| 14:52.49 | brlcad | curious though |
| 14:53.04 | brlcad | it should have hit other bu_structparse tables initialized the same way |
| 14:53.12 | brlcad | e.g., the huge one in librt |
| 14:53.27 | brlcad | looks |
| 14:53.42 | starseeker | well, considering clang is still in development... |
| 14:54.41 | brlcad | nah, there's something to it |
| 14:54.56 | brlcad | there's a parsetab right before it that it didn't stop on |
| 14:55.05 | starseeker | hmm |
| 14:55.43 | brlcad | interesting, maybe because the second one indexes the first one |
| 14:55.45 | brlcad | bbd_print_tab[0] |
| 14:56.01 | brlcad | it's still constant though |
| 14:56.37 | brlcad | if you comment out that line, does it succeed? |
| 14:56.53 | brlcad | not the bbd_parse_tab line, but the first entry |
| 14:57.01 | brlcad | so it's just a null tab |
| 14:57.09 | starseeker | yeah, it succeeds |
| 14:58.24 | starseeker | same deal in sh_fire.c |
| 14:58.42 | starseeker | clang bug? |
| 14:59.24 | starseeker | well, gotta hit the road - be in in a bit |
| 14:59.26 | brlcad | looks like it to me |
| 14:59.46 | starseeker | should report it, I suppose... |
| 14:59.55 | brlcad | though the dual structparse tabs is kinda funky to me .. looks like one is the main options with names spelled out |
| 15:00.04 | brlcad | then the second is shorthand option names |
| 15:00.08 | brlcad | so it prints clean |
| 15:00.12 | brlcad | yeah |
| 15:00.30 | brlcad | that's probably because it's [] defined, the compiler doesn't know it's size yet |
| 15:00.49 | brlcad | ooh.. you know what |
| 15:00.58 | brlcad | have to look at bu_byteoffset() ... |
| 15:01.07 | brlcad | it may be getting to a non-const section |
| 15:01.33 | brlcad | that's a low-level bu macro |
| 15:01.45 | starseeker | oooo - debugging hell |
| 15:02.23 | brlcad | it probably just requires a little bit a of magic |
| 15:02.35 | brlcad | bu.h has a section for all the compilers we know about |
| 15:02.42 | starseeker | oooooh |
| 15:02.51 | brlcad | I'm betting it just needs a diff decl |
| 15:02.57 | starseeker | nods |
| 15:03.58 | brlcad | still probably a bug, they are all constant .. but it's low-level pointer trickery to get the memory byte offset address of a struct |
| 15:19.21 | brlcad | yeah, that looks like it's it |
| 15:19.55 | brlcad | it's not smart enough yet to realize the "address - 0" is actually constant, probably needs to jump into the __INTEL_COMPILER section |
| 15:20.34 | brlcad | gets moving |
| 15:33.41 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36569 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/BrlcadCore.def: added bu_process_id for showshot program |
| 15:50.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36570 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/Makefile.am: make librender depend on libgcv (thus librt, libbu, libbn, etc) |
| 15:50.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36571 10/brlcad/trunk/src/nirt/showshot.c: |
| 15:50.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: replaced index() by strchr() as recommended by POSIX.1-2008 and MSVC |
| 15:50.51 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: however, i can't see the reason to determine the location of newline at all, it won't be used in the code below |
| 15:55.28 | ``Erik | hm, the tightened up tolerances drive the tesselation routines up the wall |
| 16:27.36 | brlcad | ``Erik: yeah, I'm going to go back and relax them .. rendering problems too |
| 16:27.42 | brlcad | shame really |
| 16:27.55 | brlcad | that's substantially above floating point |
| 16:28.47 | brlcad | going to add a tol param to them, but that'd be a 7.18 change and we're too far into this month for that |
| 17:01.43 | brlcad | missed the call |
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| 17:59.07 | ``Erik | was a lunch query, we hit greene turtle |
| 17:59.40 | ``Erik | was some nice scenery there today O.o |
| 18:08.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36572 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_tri_mc.c: jot down a rough idea of a plan for implementing marching cubes |
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| 18:41.33 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm - kinda looks like aeVect and friends in dm-rtgl might be candidates for libbn |
| 18:42.41 | ``Erik | brlcad might get a kick out of http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24437/?a=f O.o |
| 18:43.17 | ``Erik | (solving the rowing "wiggle" problem) |
| 18:44.59 | starseeker | heh - he will like that |
| 18:45.21 | ``Erik | don't think it's the same rowing her does, but *shrug* |
| 18:45.27 | ``Erik | s/her/he/ |
| 18:46.33 | ``Erik | (they're talking 8 man coxless rowing, I think... but reducing wiggle might help efficiency *shurg*) |
| 18:52.17 | starseeker | hates to rework the vector calculation stuff but knows he must to clean this up - here we go into vector land... |
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| 19:11.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36574 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Doesn't look as if aeUniformVect is being used anywhere. |
| 19:28.20 | brlcad | ``Erik: heh, that's awesome |
| 19:29.31 | brlcad | starseeker: they do look prime for libbn .. just maybe make sure there aren't libbn facilities already for tose too |
| 19:30.13 | starseeker | the Uniform one just goes away - I don't see anything quite like the vector from ae + distance one |
| 19:31.26 | starseeker | added it in test as bn_vec_ae |
| 19:41.53 | brlcad | nods |
| 19:51.46 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36575 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/bn.h src/libbn/mat.c): Add libbn routines for getting a vector from azimuth and elevation information. |
| 20:00.30 | brlcad | how are vec ae and vec aed different? |
| 20:00.42 | brlcad | and what happens the first time someone asks for twist |
| 20:00.59 | starseeker | um - twist wouldn't change anything... |
| 20:01.20 | starseeker | ae doesn't need a distance and just returns a unit vector |
| 20:01.25 | starseeker | aed accepts a distance |
| 20:02.44 | starseeker | aed is the only one I'll likely need - I just thought as long as I was there I would define the logical counterpart for the "no distance available" case |
| 20:03.10 | brlcad | not a generalized way to combine the two, though? |
| 20:03.28 | brlcad | zero-dist for example gives ae behavior |
| 20:03.33 | brlcad | or 1 or negative |
| 20:03.44 | brlcad | hm, not negative |
| 20:04.02 | starseeker | well, maybe - I was going along with the bn_aet_vec and bn_ae_vec thing... |
| 20:04.46 | brlcad | it could be a scaling factor instead of a dist |
| 20:04.50 | brlcad | yeah, there is that |
| 20:05.15 | brlcad | so bn_vec_ae will reverse a bn_ae_vec call? |
| 20:05.27 | brlcad | that's reason alone to have that one |
| 20:05.35 | starseeker | um, I guess in theory... |
| 20:05.43 | starseeker | is getting set up to test |
| 20:05.55 | brlcad | if it doesn't, somethings wrong :) |
| 20:06.05 | starseeker | agrees :-) |
| 20:06.05 | brlcad | or it's the wrong name |
| 20:06.21 | starseeker | it should - just saying I haven't put 'em into rtgl yet |
| 20:06.53 | starseeker | had hacked up the files moving stuff around before he realized he should move that logic, so having to reset without losing things... |
| 20:07.20 | brlcad | are you aware of the vmath routines? |
| 20:07.46 | starseeker | I'm aware of vmath, didn't know there was something specific for this in there |
| 20:07.48 | brlcad | V3DIR_FROM_AZEL() and AZEL_FROM_V3DIR() |
| 20:08.01 | starseeker | ah |
| 20:08.22 | starseeker | er... then why does bn_ae_vec exist? |
| 20:08.25 | brlcad | so need to clean up our API ;) |
| 20:08.31 | brlcad | we can't even find our own shit :) |
| 20:08.55 | starseeker | hangs head |
| 20:09.01 | starseeker | so which one do I go with? |
| 20:09.14 | brlcad | I think someone needed vec from ae, so the bn_ae_vec wasn't useful |
| 20:09.32 | brlcad | then someone saw V3DIR_FROM_AZEL and made the counterpart |
| 20:09.47 | starseeker | ah, just like I did for bn_ae_vec |
| 20:09.49 | brlcad | yep |
| 20:09.58 | brlcad | go ahead and add it, you're already there |
| 20:10.08 | starseeker | alrightie... so who gets it, vmath or libbn? |
| 20:11.17 | brlcad | libbn is the one lacking at the moment |
| 20:11.36 | starseeker | notes the mere existence of aeVect is evidence of lack of API usage - first place to look for that stuff should have been existing libs, particcularly if V3DIR_FROM_AZEL already existed |
| 20:11.59 | brlcad | having azel in vmath is kind of out of place for that file |
| 20:12.31 | starseeker | wonder where we're using em... |
| 20:12.37 | brlcad | mged is |
| 20:12.38 | starseeker | here grep grep grep... |
| 20:12.55 | brlcad | er, libged now |
| 20:13.01 | brlcad | dir2ae and ae2dir commands |
| 20:14.02 | starseeker | sooo... point those a the libbn routines and clear out the vmath stuff? or I suppose deprecate since it impacts api? |
| 20:15.12 | starseeker | yep, just those two |
| 20:15.29 | brlcad | I'd actually probably just use the vmath ones in the function's implementation |
| 20:15.49 | brlcad | keeping both in the API for now |
| 20:15.59 | brlcad | till libbn's docs are cleaned up and it's more clear which is best |
| 20:16.09 | starseeker | nods |
| 20:16.18 | brlcad | vmath's approach is way faster as a macro |
| 20:16.45 | brlcad | but then can have side-effects and is typeless |
| 20:18.16 | starseeker | KNEW he should have just backed the logic of aeVec down into the rtgl functions ;-P |
| 20:19.11 | brlcad | but then things wouldn't actually improve.. going down the rabbit hole, wherever it leads, is how things get better ;) |
| 20:19.15 | brlcad | cleaning up along the way |
| 20:20.09 | starseeker | true. I suppose I knew this would come up dealing with this part of the code |
| 20:20.58 | brlcad | ahh.. feels so good watching libbu/libbn compile cleanly |
| 20:21.00 | brlcad | like a clean car ready to be driven |
| 20:21.26 | starseeker | are you getting that dup return value thing? |
| 20:21.37 | brlcad | hm? |
| 20:22.36 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/libbu/backtrace.c:131: error: ignoring return value of 'dup', declared with attribute warn_unused_result |
| 20:22.52 | starseeker | was getting that on my gentoo box last night |
| 20:23.10 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36576 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libsysv/tcl.c: quell unused warning |
| 20:23.37 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36577 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libsysv/Makefile.am: enable strict compilation of libsysv. |
| 20:24.16 | brlcad | yeah, I don't get that warning, probably a newer glibc |
| 20:24.56 | starseeker | mmm |
| 20:25.17 | starseeker | is about to pay the price of running cutting edge |
| 20:25.58 | starseeker | not really sure what to do with it - apparently we don't actually care about the return value |
| 20:26.24 | starseeker | just defining a value and point the result to it worked but seemed rather crude |
| 20:26.26 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36578 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/backtrace.c: add sanity check on the return value from dup to make sure it succeeded. quellage. |
| 20:26.49 | starseeker | oh :-) |
| 20:26.49 | brlcad | the warning is just "dup might fail, you're not checking" |
| 20:26.56 | brlcad | so we can check |
| 20:27.21 | brlcad | a good thing to do regardless |
| 20:28.33 | starseeker | nods thanks :-) |
| 20:31.53 | starseeker | well, rtgl seem to be behaving using bn_vec_aed |
| 20:33.34 | starseeker | brlcad: I'd like to try, when I get there, switching the openGL lighting to the default raytrace lighting |
| 20:33.45 | starseeker | whatever it is now doesn't seem to behave well unniversally |
| 20:34.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36579 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 20:34.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: update todo for the next release, 64-bit windows port under way, annotation |
| 20:34.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: primitive under way, obj-g postponed. add a new entry for adding a tolerance |
| 20:34.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: parameter to some of the bn_ functions that have near-zero tests (but have to |
| 20:34.48 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: wait for a minor release). |
| 20:35.18 | brlcad | starseeker: when you get where? what? hm? |
| 20:35.55 | starseeker | doing an rtgl visualization |
| 20:36.07 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36580 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: OK, use the libbn routine and nix aeVec. |
| 20:36.22 | starseeker | nick put the lighting front and center, iirc - that washes out on some platforms |
| 20:36.50 | starseeker | assuming it's not some other issue, of course |
| 20:37.12 | brlcad | ahhh |
| 20:37.15 | brlcad | yeah, that's nfg |
| 20:38.15 | starseeker | it's a ways off, but once I'm there it seems like the "correct" thing to do is to use the raytracer settings insofar as they make sense |
| 20:39.43 | brlcad | yeah, should match |
| 20:39.53 | brlcad | that's an oldie... hm |
| 20:40.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36581 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libsysv/Makefile.am: reconcile the libsysv target CFLAGS customization. apply the flags to the whole dir. |
| 20:40.04 | brlcad | worked on changing rt's default lighting many many years ago |
| 20:40.36 | brlcad | there are hooks in there now for 1 light, 3 lights, .. it was tricky to get everything validating regression and still be useful defaults iirc |
| 20:41.06 | starseeker | couldn't the regression call out the older lights specifically? |
| 20:51.17 | brlcad | it could |
| 20:51.38 | brlcad | but there was some issue that couldn't quickly be resolved |
| 20:51.51 | brlcad | and I was less adept at running down the rabbit hole that long ago |
| 20:52.11 | starseeker | ahh. VERY oldie :-) |
| 20:52.33 | brlcad | yeah, decade ago |
| 20:52.47 | brlcad | at least with the brl-cad codebase |
| 20:53.00 | brlcad | wasn't as comfortable knowing what would be impacted |
| 21:12.00 | starseeker | brlcad: should I be doing checkings in an "keep rtgl working" manner? |
| 21:12.50 | starseeker | at some point here there's going to be some fairly radical surgery |
| 21:16.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36582 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (pcVariable.cpp pcVariable.h pc_constraints.c): quell a variety of warnings and problems. floating point comparisons and virtual destruction |
| 21:17.57 | brlcad | starseeker: it's a good exercise to the reader to learn to code that way even through radical changes |
| 21:20.06 | brlcad | "harder" if you're not used to it and can seem like more work, but it's not usually in terms of the full cost of the changes (shared knowledge among developers, documented changes, reduced risk, incremental refactoring, etc) |
| 21:20.16 | brlcad | part of the concept of coding complete |
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| 21:20.56 | brlcad | but that said, if you break it, no big deal at this point .. but just might be making life even harder for yourself later (short term gain for a later pain) |
| 21:21.16 | starseeker | nods - I'll try to keep it clean |
| 21:21.34 | starseeker | in some sense though (job robustness to draw events) it's already broken |
| 21:22.37 | brlcad | if that were really true, there wouldn't have been a question ;) |
| 21:23.38 | starseeker | I know, I know - it does something |
| 21:24.21 | brlcad | wow, libpc is going to take some heavier lifting than I have time to invest |
| 21:24.34 | brlcad | at least with respect to warnings |
| 21:25.12 | brlcad | and it's not even the boost stuff |
| 21:25.14 | brlcad | the classes need some cleanup work |
| 21:26.47 | brlcad | our headers still need work before they're fed through to a c++ compiler cleanly |
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| 00:24.27 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36586 10/brlcad/trunk/ (12 files in 5 dirs): Put DM_DRAW_VLIST and friends back, leave DM_DRAW - confine experiments/renames to rtgl related work for now. |
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| 01:39.32 | ``Erik | lala lalalala lalalalalala lalalla lallal lllaAL lALlaL ALlAL alL A laLa lALal |
| 01:39.47 | ``Erik | (smurf song gone psycho) |
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| 02:56.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36587 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: Ooops - let's try X_drawVLlist |
| 03:08.20 | starseeker | brlcad: reported to the clang guys: http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=5576 |
| 03:08.35 | starseeker | wasn't quite sure how to categorize it, but it's in there |
| 03:33.18 | ``Erik | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=43855 |
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| 04:54.21 | starseeker | ``Erik: good one :-) |
| 04:54.31 | starseeker | Ed might like this one: http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=572 |
| 04:56.37 | starseeker | or this one, except it might give him ideas... http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=8060 |
| 05:03.59 | starseeker | hmm - I must say, there is a tremendous amount of crap on there and just a few gems |
| 05:04.49 | starseeker | kinda like youtube |
| 05:27.07 | starseeker | will let ``Erik filter out the funny stuff |
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| 13:03.57 | ``Erik | heh |
| 16:28.17 | brlcad | starseeker: without the define for bu_byteoffset() it looks like it's non-constant and a valid error |
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| 18:17.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1958 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_ev: |
| 18:46.43 | starseeker | brlcad: home come gcc doesn't wipe out? |
| 18:47.04 | starseeker | don't see a define for it in there except for 64 bit |
| 18:47.36 | starseeker | so should I delete the bug? |
| 19:08.24 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03188.52.108.212 07http://brlcad.org * r1959 10/wiki/Main_Page: /* BRL-CAD Wiki */ |
| 19:58.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1960 10/wiki/Main_Page: undo vandalism |
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| 21:56.04 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 02:23.54 | starseeker | resolves original bug - will refile if inserting a define (at some point) doesn't fix it |
| 02:24.14 | maximux | alguien habla español?? |
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| 04:54.00 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36588 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/mat.c: document the ones that presently use a tolerance, even if most of them could probably use it for input/output validation |
| 04:57.39 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36589 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/mat.c: ws indent cleanup |
| 05:06.57 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36590 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/mat.c: main comment about need to improve tolerancing |
| 05:23.34 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36591 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/mat.c: restore and relax the other two sets of tolerances that were tightened up with SMALL_FASTF. this affects raytrace results (though not regression), so relax back to previous until the tolerances can be set by the caller. |
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| 06:06.32 | talcite | alright. I think I'm finally in a position to get back into things here. |
| 06:07.09 | talcite | So from the fedora dev feedback, I need to abstract out those libs. Not sure how I'll do it, but I'll see how it goes. |
| 06:08.08 | talcite | Would you guys say use the 7.16.2 release, or grab an SVN checkout? |
| 06:14.42 | starseeker | talcite: 7.16.2 |
| 06:15.10 | starseeker | hmm, this is kinda interesting: http://makehuman.blogspot.com/ |
| 06:17.37 | talcite | starseeker: cool. I shall begin packaging that... |
| 06:26.59 | starseeker | talcite: which libs need to come out? |
| 06:27.38 | starseeker | thought we were pretty much able to build with external libs now, as long as the versions are high enough... |
| 06:30.37 | talcite | starseeker: yup, we can definitely build with external libs. They just need to be included into the fedora repos =) |
| 06:31.29 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 06:31.49 | starseeker | was afraid for a minute they were gonna insist on pulling out the NIST step stuff and opennurbs... |
| 06:32.21 | talcite | ahh, no, it should be ok |
| 06:32.44 | starseeker | realistically neither of those are external at the moment |
| 06:33.07 | talcite | tkhtml3, tkImg, Utah, NIST, NURBS, TNT |
| 06:33.31 | starseeker | I mean NIST and NURBS |
| 06:33.41 | starseeker | that's the NIST step class libraries and openNURBS, iirc |
| 06:34.00 | starseeker | tkhtml3, tkImg, Utah and TNT are all external |
| 06:34.40 | starseeker | we've made a fair number of tweaks to the NIST stuff and need to make more |
| 06:34.50 | starseeker | opennurbs we've made changes to as well |
| 06:35.01 | starseeker | some of those will go away but not all |
| 06:35.57 | starseeker | tkhtml3 we're using the latest checkout of, not the tarball |
| 06:38.35 | talcite | hmm. that's good to know. I'll grab those instead |
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| 13:25.00 | brlcad | starseeker: it's still a bug, but they need to know the define being used |
| 13:25.40 | brlcad | i mean, you can manually do the substitution that the preprocessor is doing and it should still fail |
| 13:27.36 | brlcad | might help you understand what's going on too |
| 13:28.14 | brlcad | and if you make it use the raw address instead of a the -0 one, that probably succeeds, and you'll narrowed it down |
| 13:28.44 | brlcad | could also matter if the ref'd struct is const or not |
| 18:30.25 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1961 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_adc: not sure... |
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| 04:09.44 | starseeker | hmm, cool: http://www.palomino3d.org |
| 04:15.16 | starseeker | wonders just how long that'll take to compile, starting with ossim... |
| 04:33.44 | starseeker | interesting history of ossim: http://www.ossim.org/OSSIM/Articles/Entries/2007/12/5_OSSIM_History.html |
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| 11:28.40 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36592 10/brlcad/trunk/include/nurb.h: Updated external declaration of CrossingCount() to reflect removal of un-used argument 'ray_dir'. |
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| 16:37.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36593 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/bool.c: Need to make sure (pp->pt_forw != InputHdp) before calculating 'diff'. |
| 17:10.57 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36594 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/bool.c: k&r style, not allman style |
| 17:22.10 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36595 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/bool.c: ws indent, style consistency, comments, formatting |
| 18:20.01 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36596 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac include/bu.h): just use STRICT_FLAGS to match since it's not a system feature |
| 18:31.37 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36597 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: whoops! .. definitely do NOT want to enable std=c99, especially with strict turned on |
| 20:12.22 | ``Erik | aiht, the 30w soldering pencil was insufficient, lets see how the 400w gun fares. |
| 20:31.04 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36598 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (10 files): quell a slew of verbose/strict warnings |
| 20:48.30 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36599 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/libtermlib/ (Makefile.am termcap.c): if BRLCAD_DATA isn't set, it all goes to hell. instead of having cad-specific logic, just utilize B_TERMCAP only if it's defined and let the build system pass it in. |
| 21:00.51 | starseeker | hmm - still getting rt_boolweave complaints on havoc |
| 21:01.11 | brlcad | starseeker: make clean in db dir? |
| 21:01.21 | starseeker | tries that |
| 21:01.30 | brlcad | could be something that failed asc2g |
| 21:01.57 | starseeker | nope, still there |
| 21:02.04 | starseeker | yours is clean? |
| 21:02.05 | brlcad | there were also really obscure changes to boolfinal, but those happened over the weekend |
| 21:02.11 | brlcad | havne't tried it |
| 21:02.21 | brlcad | is mid-build |
| 21:02.21 | starseeker | does a clean build to be sure... |
| 21:14.51 | starseeker | erm |
| 21:15.06 | starseeker | disables strict flags in librt and tries again... |
| 21:18.23 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36600 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db5_types.c: cleanup |
| 21:18.25 | brlcad | so you still get it? |
| 21:18.41 | starseeker | dunno yet |
| 21:18.56 | starseeker | my build tripped on librt ;-) |
| 21:19.59 | brlcad | oh, did I commit that? |
| 21:20.10 | starseeker | looks like it |
| 21:20.18 | starseeker | sure didn't turn it on :-P |
| 21:20.57 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36601 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/Makefile.am: ah, didn't mean to enable strict in here just yet. |
| 21:24.48 | starseeker | erm - now adrt doesn't build |
| 21:25.48 | starseeker | oh, wait... |
| 21:26.16 | starseeker | perhaps I should have cleaned rt before rebuilding with the new flags... |
| 21:33.24 | starseeker | oh, it's looking for things in the installed directory |
| 21:33.25 | starseeker | hrm |
| 21:33.41 | starseeker | installs src/other to see if that's for real... |
| 21:34.18 | starseeker | yep, how very odd |
| 21:35.46 | brlcad | hm? |
| 21:35.58 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36602 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: mr butler wants fbclear to obey his -F advanced option on the ray-trace control panel (which probabaly should extend to the fbclear command). reported via sf feature request 1277535. |
| 21:36.02 | starseeker | adrt was looking for libtcl in the install directory |
| 21:36.56 | brlcad | erik make it use GCV instead of its sdirect dependencies |
| 21:37.41 | brlcad | which should work just fine, but maybe some linkage oddness in the .la |
| 21:39.53 | starseeker | wonders what -F does and looks for a man page... |
| 21:40.38 | starseeker | ah, calling out the specific framebuffer |
| 21:43.15 | ``Erik | hm, I thought I relied pretty heavily on transitivity |
| 21:43.25 | ``Erik | pets his guitar with new bits and pieces O.o |
| 21:44.26 | ``Erik | sperzal locking tuners and lace pickups O.o had to drill and solder among other horrible things, but it lives |
| 21:46.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36603 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parallel.c: |
| 21:46.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: restructure bu_avail_cpus() to not use goto statements, instead trying any |
| 21:46.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: method it can and just using the first one it finds that is available. move the |
| 21:46.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: _SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN (sysconf() approach) down below __APPLE__ since Mac 10.6 |
| 21:46.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: now supports that in addition to the original sysctl() approach. |
| 21:46.45 | brlcad | what you're doing with your "bits and pieces" while petting your guitar just sounds wrong |
| 21:47.41 | yukonbob | is reminded of "roses on your piano" joke... :p |
| 21:50.41 | yukonbob | wow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tuVSkrdjiE |
| 21:52.41 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36604 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: meh |
| 21:59.01 | brlcad | yukonbob: nifty demo |
| 21:59.33 | yukonbob | apparently part of enlightenment... |
| 22:09.13 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, still getting havoc errors |
| 22:12.45 | brlcad | k |
| 22:15.00 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36605 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm-rtgl.h src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c): Pack the global variables for rtgl into a struct. Not very helpful by itself but part of incremental changes to come. |
| 22:45.48 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/20091123/small.html pheer. |
| 23:04.48 | starseeker | pheer the guitar or the albino cat? |
| 23:05.07 | ``Erik | the guitar, with its rearranged guts |
| 23:05.25 | starseeker | is amused by how pure white the cat is - exact contrast to our cat ;-) |
| 23:05.36 | starseeker | checks guitar warily... |
| 23:05.42 | ``Erik | had to buy a new tool O.o my soldering iron wasn't able to cope with the pot |
| 23:06.00 | ``Erik | heh, she's all white except for a handful ontop of her head and a black dot on her nose... the other is a tux |
| 23:06.22 | starseeker | is she the laptop culprit? |
| 23:06.43 | starseeker | were you repairing or upgrading the innards? |
| 23:07.00 | ``Erik | yeah, and upgrading |
| 23:07.15 | starseeker | sweet |
| 23:07.18 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/20091025/ cats |
| 23:07.42 | starseeker | ``Erik: trick to decoy 'em away from the laptop - get a heating pad and lay it out in some convenient place |
| 23:08.10 | starseeker | doesn't know squat about guitars - what did you upgrade? |
| 23:09.08 | ``Erik | tuners, the 'key' part at the end that adjusts the string tension to high end locking ones, and the pickups, the devices that convert vibrating metal strings to electrical signal via magnets and wound coils |
| 23:09.27 | starseeker | cool. So clearer sound now? |
| 23:09.28 | ``Erik | it's easier to string, easier to tune, holds tune a lot longer, sounds a lot better and has a MUCH longer sustain O.o |
| 23:09.36 | starseeker | awesome |
| 23:09.49 | ``Erik | actually, I put hot pickups in, more powerful sound :D |
| 23:10.12 | starseeker | heh - looks like those two get along rather well - wonder how they decided top bunk |
| 23:10.20 | starseeker | fairly young? |
| 23:10.27 | ``Erik | ~6mo |
| 23:10.32 | ``Erik | I think their selection there was mutual |
| 23:10.32 | starseeker | nods |
| 23:10.42 | starseeker | that works out |
| 23:10.48 | ``Erik | and he likes laying ontop of my stepladder while she likes the couch next to me |
| 23:11.18 | louipc | ``Erik: cool. what do you use to generate that photo index? |
| 23:11.39 | ``Erik | wrote a quick little bash script, louipc |
| 23:11.41 | ``Erik | um |
| 23:12.01 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/files/gallery |
| 23:12.06 | ``Erik | there ya go, merry xmas |
| 23:12.20 | louipc | oh sweet |
| 23:12.31 | ``Erik | assumes source data is 1600x1200 and in the P1010001.JPG format... |
| 23:12.41 | ``Erik | cuz that's what my shitty camera produces... :) |
| 23:13.31 | starseeker | ``Erik: where'd you get 'em? |
| 23:13.47 | ``Erik | harford humane society, they were part of a litter found in aberdeen |
| 23:13.51 | louipc | yeah I kinda started a bash script too, I haven't found a generator that satisfies me |
| 23:14.02 | ``Erik | (joppa road, back behind the jones junction crap) |
| 23:14.15 | starseeker | nods. Yeah, I gotta stay away from those places, I'm a terrible sucker |
| 23:14.34 | starseeker | Sarah got ours from the Pittsburgh humane society |
| 23:15.29 | ``Erik | went there one day, looking for a single adult cat, saw one that interested me 'cept for a bit of a tude, let the kittens in cages sniff my finger if they didn't have the "don't pet me, I haven't had a rabies shot" sign, the white one reached out and hugged my arm instead of sniffing |
| 23:15.39 | starseeker | faked her out good - was very quiet and well behaved when she got introduced to Sarah - wasn't until she came home that the Cat Superlungs(tm) were revealed |
| 23:16.02 | ``Erik | went there a few days later, same deal in the adult room, looked at the ones in cages, played with these two and liked 'em, then realized they were theones that hugged the other day, so I ended up taking them |
| 23:16.19 | starseeker | nods |
| 23:16.34 | ``Erik | heh, "I can't keep this cat, it's too loud... please take it back?" hahaha |
| 23:16.54 | starseeker | oh, no - we love her. Just amused how she faked us out |
| 23:17.04 | starseeker | Sarah has had Siamese before, so she knows |
| 23:17.15 | ``Erik | ah, siamese tend to have a short temper iirc |
| 23:17.30 | starseeker | this one is a cross with something, which apparently resulted in the black color |
| 23:17.39 | ``Erik | half siamese, have satan? |
| 23:17.43 | ``Erik | half |
| 23:17.43 | starseeker | she doesn't have too bad of a temper unless you try to brush her |
| 23:17.55 | starseeker | or god forbid, cut her nails |
| 23:18.08 | ``Erik | these both accepted getting their nails cut ok |
| 23:18.22 | starseeker | we got her front claws taken out eventually - was less tramatic for everyone involved |
| 23:18.34 | starseeker | ah, that's a relief |
| 23:18.39 | ``Erik | they also take liquid medicine orally well, pills and eardrops are another story |
| 23:20.04 | starseeker | ours is older, so we haven't had to give her much so far (knock on wood) |
| 23:20.43 | starseeker | picky eater though |
| 23:20.50 | ``Erik | I think they probably all need something after the humane society, not exactly the best places O.o |
| 23:21.08 | starseeker | yeah, rather crowded |
| 23:21.14 | ``Erik | mine had some kinda protozoa I had to give htem stuff for, plus she had an infected ear |
| 23:21.26 | starseeker | winces ow |
| 23:21.40 | ``Erik | yes, and the eardrops were NOT easy to apply |
| 23:21.41 | starseeker | have had too many of those in my day |
| 23:21.56 | starseeker | yeah, cats are rather protective of their errors |
| 23:21.59 | starseeker | er ears |
| 23:22.30 | ``Erik | the stuff was liquid and had to be refridgeraged... cold water right in the ear... |
| 23:23.57 | ``Erik | yowza, confusing stephen hawking and larry flint, low blow |
| 23:24.29 | starseeker | erumhuh? |
| 23:24.48 | ``Erik | simpsons |
| 23:25.33 | yukonbob | watched People vs. Larry Flint other night... |
| 23:27.30 | starseeker | ``Erik: do yours like to wake you up in the middle of the night? |
| 23:29.46 | ``Erik | yes |
| 23:30.09 | ``Erik | at first, several times... now usually just at 5 |
| 23:30.25 | ``Erik | <-- ponders shifting back to 6:30 O.o can't sleep in anyways |
| 23:30.30 | starseeker | heh |
| 23:31.15 | ``Erik | odd, my fish tank has a higher ph level than my tap water, evne after a bunch of ph decreaser |
| 23:34.10 | starseeker | fish tank + cats - that sounds like fun :-) |
| 23:37.22 | ``Erik | they were fascinated by the pleco before it died |
| 23:37.41 | ``Erik | might need to reinforce the hood for when they figure out how to get on it O.o |
| 23:38.32 | starseeker | you still have fish in there, or was it just the one? |
| 23:39.11 | starseeker | always like the fish that ate along the tank cleaning it - my kind of fish, earns its keep :-) |
| 23:39.26 | ``Erik | just one |
| 23:39.31 | ``Erik | that's a pleco |
| 23:39.49 | ``Erik | plecostomus |
| 23:39.53 | starseeker | not familiar with that type |
| 23:39.57 | starseeker | googles |
| 23:40.09 | ``Erik | "sucker fish" |
| 23:40.24 | starseeker | ah, cool |
| 23:40.40 | starseeker | yeah, I'll bet they liked that :-) |
| 23:41.20 | louipc | yukonbob: any good? |
| 23:45.15 | yukonbob | louipc: ? |
| 23:45.30 | louipc | yukonbob: the movie? |
| 23:45.52 | yukonbob | louipc: ah -- yes, it is. |
| 23:46.07 | ``Erik | plecos typically sit very still for long chunks of time, then move rapidly for a brief period, then go still again.. very attractive to cats, moreso than just plain old constant swimming, I imagine :) |
| 23:46.07 | louipc | cool |
| 23:46.17 | yukonbob | louipc: highly recommended. |
| 23:48.07 | starseeker | yeah, jerky sudden movement gets their curiosity up |
| 23:50.29 | starseeker | grrr... whadya mean invalid address? where'd my memory go? |
| 23:51.57 | ``Erik | makes sure the sdram is pushed allt he way to the back of his bag and looks around |
| 00:01.38 | starseeker | I guess it might be getting freed as part of the freeing of the dm context, but... |
| 00:01.49 | starseeker | gotta be leaking memory here... |
| 00:02.25 | starseeker | no, not getting freed... what the... |
| 00:03.39 | starseeker | ok, forget it... |
| 00:04.19 | ``Erik | beat it with valgrind or something? (assuming you're on leenewx, so no awesomeness like dtrace or the osX malloc guard |
| 00:04.45 | starseeker | on mac, but I don't know why I'm losing it |
| 00:04.51 | starseeker | pointer is still there... |
| 00:05.07 | starseeker | unless it's getting mangled somehow perhaps |
| 00:05.10 | starseeker | however, may not need that approach |
| 00:06.48 | ``Erik | there're a bunch of environment variables that make osX do nutty stuff, like MallocGuardEdges, MallocScribble, MallocStackLogging, etc |
| 00:10.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36606 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Be sure to reset everything to its intial state in rtgljobs when closing. May have some memory issues to check into here. |
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| 01:17.59 | ``Erik | grooves to pomplamoose |
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| 02:14.29 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36607 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Ugly in that it throws out previous work, but this should at least let rtgl function when someone draws a second object while the first one is still in progress (i.e., it beats crashing.) |
| 02:17.00 | starseeker | woot |
| 02:17.14 | starseeker | now let's see how it's crashing on my gentoo box... |
| 02:17.24 | starseeker | heads home |
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| 05:35.13 | starseeker | erm... ../../../brlcad/include/brlcad_version.h:153: error: âbrlcad_identâ defined but not used |
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| 11:00.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36608 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: Cleaned up Circle and Parabola curve generation code to build from bezier similar to the ellipse and hyperbola. |
| 13:22.40 | starseeker | hmm - rtgl segfaults on gentoo for no clear reason |
| 13:22.59 | starseeker | 0xb7faa7a0 in shootJobs (jobs=0xbffe9af0) at ../../../brlcad/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c:1472 |
| 13:23.14 | starseeker | but when I go in with gdb all the values seem to be sane enough... |
| 13:39.14 | starseeker | grr |
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| 15:22.23 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36609 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: some code cleanup and WS formatting |
| 15:26.43 | brlcad | ``Erik: louipc: imageindex is pretty nify little script for making a gallery on the fly |
| 15:26.46 | brlcad | http://www.edwinh.org/imageindex/ |
| 15:27.14 | brlcad | example, http://brlcad.org/~sean/images/ |
| 17:09.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36610 10/brlcad/trunk/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Added dm_drawLine3D and dm_drawLines3D. |
| 17:10.28 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36611 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Added data_axes command. |
| 17:17.53 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36612 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/Ged.tcl: Added data_axes and lastMouseRayPos methods. |
| 17:30.57 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36613 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Minor mod. |
| 17:32.53 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36614 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Modify mrayCallback_cvo to do a vslew if no objects were hit (i.e. same as original view center op). |
| 17:35.32 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36615 10/brlcad/trunk/include/ged.h: Added gas_num_data_points and gas_data_points members to struct ged_axes_state. Also added gv_data_axes member to struct ged_view. |
| 18:05.58 | ``Erik | *burp* |
| 19:02.01 | louipc | brlcad: nice thanks |
| 19:15.45 | ``Erik | feck |
| 19:16.02 | ``Erik | managed to go so long without touching that file :( |
| 19:16.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36616 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/librt/librt.3 src/librt/prep.c): Query the LIBRT_DEBUG environment variable to add additional debugging flags. Some third party applications do facilitate setting these flags and are difficult to debug. |
| 19:21.08 | ``Erik | doh, "some third party applications do NOT facilitate setting these..." |
| 19:21.17 | brlcad | ahh |
| 19:22.35 | ``Erik | though the application I'm thinking of would probably be more difficult if they actually did attempt to set the values *cough* O:-) |
| 19:24.57 | ``Erik | <-- isn't sure if it'd be better as rt_g.rt_debug |= val; or if(rt_g.rt_debug==0)rt_g.rt_debug = val; |
| 19:48.24 | brlcad | hm, i'd expect it to be an override so you can always get exactly what you want |
| 19:48.46 | brlcad | i.e., rt_g.rt_debug = LIBRT_DEBUG |
| 19:51.34 | ``Erik | but if I forget I have LIBRT_DEBUG set to, say, 1 and do rt -X f ktank.g tank, losing 3 debug flags would ... suck and be confusing |
| 19:52.06 | ``Erik | if any overriding is done, -[Xx] should override LIBRT_DEBUG imho |
| 19:55.51 | brlcad | so warn that LIBRT_DEBUG is set |
| 19:57.25 | brlcad | agree that command line should override env flags, just saying if it's set, it shouldn't "blend them" |
| 20:02.13 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36617 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Fixed typo. |
| 20:07.38 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36618 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/prep.c: discard environment debug flags if application debug flags are specified. |
| 20:17.40 | brlcad | starseeker: I did get my build back and can reproduce the failure |
| 20:17.49 | brlcad | just so ya know |
| 20:21.09 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36619 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Another @svn diff# typo. |
| 20:21.41 | starseeker | brlcad: cook, thanks |
| 20:30.14 | brlcad | hm, not the boolfinal changes |
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| 20:46.57 | starseeker | er, cool even |
| 20:47.06 | starseeker | should learn to type someday |
| 20:47.28 | starseeker | beautiful - rtgl works on both Mac and Redhat here |
| 20:47.56 | starseeker | considers ignoring his gentoo box and declaring victory... |
| 20:51.10 | starseeker | I have a feeling gentoo is being much more picky about the letter of the law when it comes to dereferencing and re-referencing pointers... |
| 20:51.14 | starseeker | ick |
| 21:02.46 | ``Erik | dang ricer |
| 21:27.25 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36620 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Try using a local variable 'used' insted of the pointer stuff... |
| 21:32.13 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36621 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/complex.c: |
| 21:32.15 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: well there's yer problem. the complex math routines used during |
| 21:32.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: rt_poly_findroot() are rather sensitive to being cast to a long. this halts |
| 21:32.19 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: build with strict set but gets things going again (with: make STRICT_FLAGS=) for |
| 21:32.23 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: the observed havoc tail failure until it can be improved. |
| 21:34.52 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36622 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/complex.c: replace ABS() with fabs() |
| 21:44.32 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36623 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: No, it makes sense to work with the used variable in place... |
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| 23:29.03 | ``Erik | *stretch* |
| 23:30.25 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36624 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/complex.c: minor ws brace cleanup, isolating comparison issue |
| 23:47.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36625 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/complex.c: |
| 23:47.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: refactor the SIGN() macro into oblivion. keep track of the original real and |
| 23:47.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: imaginary parts (critical for the last sign test) and preload the read (should |
| 23:47.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: provide a better compiler hint for performance) so we can independently update |
| 23:47.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: the stored real/imaginary components as needed. |
| 23:56.43 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36626 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (brlcad_path.c crashreport.c): wrap the popen calls with STRICT_FLAGS protections since they are not c99 functions. this allows libbu to now compile cleanly in strict c99 mode (at least on linux with gcc4). |
| 00:51.41 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36627 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/ (bot_shell-vtk.c dxf/g-dxf.c iges/main.c): wth, de-knrify main() |
| 00:53.02 | ``Erik | bleh, I just wrote some java |
| 00:53.07 | ``Erik | looks for a drink O.o |
| 00:56.18 | brlcad | you dirty ditry person |
| 00:56.28 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36628 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 00:56.28 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: make the gcv_region_end callback take a dummy struct for passing back the |
| 00:56.30 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: callback writer function instead of casting that function unportably through a |
| 00:56.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: void*. this is dumb quellage but allows libgcv to go strict too. (TODO: |
| 00:56.36 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: refactor the gcv callback) |
| 00:56.47 | brlcad | and shame on you for copy-pasting a k&r function signature :) |
| 00:56.57 | brlcad | (g-stl -> g-egg) |
| 00:58.52 | ``Erik | try { return true; } finally { return false; } |
| 00:58.56 | ``Erik | heh, doh |
| 00:59.11 | ``Erik | 'cept it was a file copy and some :%s///g stuff |
| 01:00.30 | brlcad | d-lo: body count is 1100 now ... hehe, he is legend |
| 01:00.49 | ``Erik | <-- needs to pick up that book |
| 01:01.56 | ``Erik | watches V |
| 01:30.26 | starseeker | realizes it's been a while since the last v8 branch sync... |
| 01:55.11 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36629 10/brlcad/branches/rel8/ (574 files in 42 dirs): Sync rel8 tree to trunk r36628 |
| 02:18.31 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36630 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/TODO: Start putting together a comparison list of MGED and Archer functionality. |
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| 02:25.14 | talcite | is there a bug in our build script? |
| 02:25.30 | talcite | I'm getting a compile error with mock, on a configuration that had worked previously |
| 02:25.47 | talcite | mkdir -p `dirname articles/en/images/tire_fig14.png` |
| 02:25.47 | talcite | XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../doc/docbook/catalog.xml -nonet -xinclude -o articles/en |
| 02:25.47 | talcite | sl articles/en/build_pattern.xml |
| 02:25.47 | talcite | /bin/sh: -nonet: command not found |
| 02:26.08 | talcite | and then it just goes downhill from there. The line doesn't seem to be valid anyways |
| 02:26.14 | ``Erik | I imagine that means fop isn't being found, but it's trying to use it anyways |
| 02:26.19 | starseeker | talcite: do you have xsltproc? |
| 02:26.27 | starseeker | no that's the xsltproc line |
| 02:26.27 | ``Erik | beat starseeker with a blunt instrument until it works again :D |
| 02:26.42 | starseeker | you can disable the extra documentation |
| 02:26.49 | starseeker | avoid all that |
| 02:27.08 | talcite | starseeker: I do have xslt |
| 02:27.16 | talcite | well libxslt atleast |
| 02:27.41 | starseeker | you need the command xsltproc |
| 02:27.47 | ``Erik | it needs the xsltproc binary |
| 02:27.53 | talcite | I just double checked, I have the binary as well |
| 02:28.00 | starseeker | erm |
| 02:28.09 | talcite | hmm wait. I'm building in a chroot jail |
| 02:28.14 | starseeker | check your configure |
| 02:28.29 | talcite | yeah. Let me see what's going on here. I didn't get any configure errors as far as I know though |
| 02:29.11 | talcite | aww crap I left my specfile on campus |
| 02:29.19 | starseeker | you may see a warning about xsltproc not being found |
| 02:29.42 | talcite | hmm. give me a sec |
| 02:30.08 | starseeker | that SHOULD have turned off the docbook building, but it's even money the new Makefile messed it up somehow... |
| 02:30.23 | starseeker | better than even, actually |
| 02:30.42 | talcite | I'm not sure the configure is actually testing for xsltproc |
| 02:30.55 | talcite | a grep on the output log turns up nothing |
| 02:31.37 | talcite | besides, shouldn't that line be better formed? It's not actually calling xslt, it's calling -nonet, which shouldn't be valid |
| 02:32.01 | starseeker | the makefile is triggering with the XSLTPROC variable empty |
| 02:32.08 | talcite | oh... |
| 02:32.17 | talcite | hmm, well the configure output didn't say anything |
| 02:32.17 | starseeker | that's why it's trying to execute that line - it's substituting "" for XSLTPROC |
| 02:32.27 | starseeker | weird |
| 02:32.52 | starseeker | try explicitly disabling the extra docs and see if that works |
| 02:33.07 | talcite | can't. Left the specfile on my laptop X) |
| 02:33.36 | starseeker | --disable-documentation to configure |
| 02:33.42 | starseeker | oh |
| 02:33.48 | starseeker | ok, well when you get a chance :-) |
| 02:34.13 | starseeker | can't imagine why it's not finding xsltproc if its in your path... |
| 02:34.30 | talcite | it may be the whole chroot building |
| 02:34.44 | talcite | I'm using mock and I don't think I have libxslt in my buildrequires |
| 02:34.52 | starseeker | ah |
| 02:34.58 | talcite | the previous version built fine without it though. is this xml stuff new? |
| 02:35.04 | starseeker | yeah, that might be good to add if you want the extra docs :-) |
| 02:35.13 | starseeker | when's the last time you built? |
| 02:35.27 | talcite | 7.14 svn head |
| 02:35.30 | talcite | sometime in august |
| 02:35.32 | starseeker | erm |
| 02:35.49 | starseeker | there've been extensive changes to the docbook build logic |
| 02:36.20 | starseeker | dunno how it would have reacted before to your environment - might be worth a test with the older version to see |
| 02:36.31 | talcite | well the older ver works, that I'm sure of |
| 02:36.49 | starseeker | then the older version saw xsltproc |
| 02:36.53 | starseeker | or quietly ignored the docbook xml build |
| 02:37.15 | talcite | I see. Well lets see what happens tomorrow. |
| 02:37.27 | talcite | I should really set up an SVN repo or something for this |
| 02:37.28 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:37.45 | talcite | always forgetting to sync my work |
| 02:39.20 | starseeker | best of luck - if you run into a problem again tomorrow let us know and we'll see if we can figure it out |
| 02:39.31 | starseeker | should get outta here... |
| 02:39.59 | starseeker | does - later all |
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| 04:12.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36631 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/ (configure.ac doc/docbook/): Hrm, merging updates won't be so simple here. Take the incremental approach. |
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| 04:44.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36632 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/: Ugh. Much faster to just remove and merge in the togl specific stuff again. |
| 04:45.57 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36633 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/: Recreate the dmtogl branch with latest trunk as a start |
| 05:09.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36634 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/ (56 files in 6 dirs): Add back in initial togl related code. |
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| 13:27.31 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1962 10/wiki/NetMsgTypes: /* Common Header Byte Format */ |
| 14:03.26 | ``Erik | starseeker: rtgl seems to compile on fbsd7 |
| 14:04.38 | starseeker | ``Erik: cool |
| 14:04.42 | starseeker | does it run? |
| 14:05.04 | ``Erik | dunno |
| 15:47.18 | ``Erik | hehehe "Linux is for people who like to install stuff" |
| 16:35.46 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36635 10/rt^3/trunk/ (15 files in 6 dirs): Mods to netMsg inheritance. Added more a comprehensive tester. |
| 16:40.16 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36636 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/Utility/Utils.h src/utility/ src/utility/Utils.cxx): Added Utils class. |
| 16:48.55 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36637 10/rt^3/trunk/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Add Generic*Msg classes for extensibility |
| 17:11.04 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1963 10/wiki/Failure: New page: {{DesignDocument}} ==Description== [[IBME_GeometryService#NetMsg_Class|NetMsg]] that is a response to a previously sent [[IBME_GeometryService#NetMsg_Class|NetMsg]] subclass to inform the... |
| 17:11.12 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1964 10/wiki/NetMsgTypes: |
| 17:18.43 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1965 10/wiki/NetMsgTypes: /* NetMsg MsgTypes */ |
| 17:22.22 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1966 10/wiki/Success: Testing the Summary field for CIA |
| 17:24.10 | d-lo | brlcad: I got a policeman hold up in a building, offing zombies like its going out of style. Me thinkgs I might make, or even break, your 77 zombies per cop ratio! |
| 17:35.25 | d-lo | Woot! 103.75 zpc average :) |
| 17:43.40 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1967 10/wiki/NetMsgTypes: Added Generic*Msg Template linkage |
| 17:56.50 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1968 10/wiki/GenericOneByteMsg: Added Description |
| 17:56.52 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1969 10/wiki/GenericTwoBytesMsg: Added Description |
| 17:56.55 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1970 10/wiki/GenericFourBytesMsg: Added Description |
| 17:56.59 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1971 10/wiki/GenericOneStringMsg: Added Description |
| 17:57.06 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1972 10/wiki/GenericMultiByteMsg: Added Description |
| 18:04.25 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1973 10/wiki/NetMsgTypes: Added links to IBME_NETWORKPROTO_STRING |
| 18:05.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1974 10/wiki/GenericOneStringMsg: Added links to IBME_NETWORKPROTO_STRING |
| 18:08.30 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1975 10/wiki/IBME_NETWORKPROTO_STRING: Added page for 'String' |
| 18:22.06 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1976 10/wiki/RemHostNameSET: Fixed Typo and added link to IBME_NETWORKPROTO_STRING |
| 18:25.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1977 10/wiki/NewHostOnNetINFO: Modifed Byte Format |
| 18:31.22 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1978 10/wiki/GeometryREQ: Added link to Generic |
| 18:35.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1979 10/wiki/GeometryCHUNK: Added links to Generics |
| 18:37.40 | d-lo | Nice 136.00 zpc. |
| 18:38.46 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1980 10/wiki/NewHostOnNetINFO: Added links to Generics |
| 18:40.46 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1981 10/wiki/NewSession: Added new page for NewSessionMsg |
| 18:43.42 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1982 10/wiki/FullHostListREQ: Added page for FullHostListREQMsg |
| 18:48.49 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1983 10/wiki/FullHostList: Added page for FullHostListMsg |
| 18:50.29 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1984 10/wiki/NetMsgTypes: Drop INFO from name. |
| 18:52.18 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1985 10/wiki/NewHostOnNet: Added new Page for NewHostOnNetMsg |
| 18:52.41 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[NewHostOnNetINFO]]": Renamed to NewHostOnNet |
| 18:55.40 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1986 10/wiki/Failure: Added references to Generics. |
| 18:56.24 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1987 10/wiki/Success: Added references to Generics |
| 18:56.30 | d-lo | go go gadget wiki editing! |
| 18:58.22 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1988 10/wiki/RemHostNameSET: Added references to Generics |
| 18:59.54 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1989 10/wiki/NewHostOnNet: Clarified field usage. |
| 19:01.11 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1990 10/wiki/NewSession: Clarified field usage. |
| 19:02.26 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1991 10/wiki/GeometryREQ: Clarified field usage. |
| 19:02.54 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1992 10/wiki/GeometryCHUNK: Clarified field usage. |
| 19:05.24 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36638 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/java/: Removing old Java classes. Antiquated and unused. |
| 19:05.58 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36639 10/rt^3/trunk/include/GS/netMsg/RemHostNameSetFailMsg.h: Missed this remnant of latest refactor. |
| 19:14.07 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36640 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Implement SuccessMsg |
| 19:14.33 | ``Erik | zpc? |
| 19:16.06 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03Dloman 07http://brlcad.org * r1993 10/wiki/NetMsgTypes: |
| 19:16.12 | d-lo | Zombies Per Cop |
| 19:16.15 | d-lo | kill ratio |
| 19:16.17 | d-lo | :) |
| 19:16.21 | ``Erik | ah |
| 19:16.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36641 10/brlcad/trunk/ (12 files in 12 dirs): Update svn:ignore in a variety of places |
| 19:16.48 | d-lo | I've got rambo goihnng right now. 1 cop vs 15.5k zombies. |
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| 19:19.54 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36642 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/: Oh yeah, .1 man pages too. |
| 19:22.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36643 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/ (12 files in 12 dirs): Update ignore settings in dmtogl branch |
| 19:31.17 | d-lo | lol 234.375 zpc. Rambo finally died a horrible death. |
| 19:31.52 | ``Erik | url again? |
| 19:32.58 | d-lo | http://www.class3outbreak.com/zombie-outbreak-simulator/ |
| 19:34.44 | ``Erik | exception id 2134 name: error message: error #2134 function onApplicationComplete Step: j ... :/ |
| 19:35.35 | d-lo | bummer :/ |
| 19:35.46 | d-lo | Have a happy t-day all! |
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| 20:11.51 | ``Erik | starseeker: http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/ |
| 20:36.31 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh, cool. yeah, the problem with that site is it doesn't have a clear licensing policy that I can see |
| 20:43.28 | ``Erik | *shrug* saw it on hn, figured I'd share |
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| 21:32.47 | brlcad | hah, that is fantastic .. d-lo .. zombies starting: 2000 civilians: 1000 .. all converted (because none could shoot).. |
| 21:33.07 | brlcad | zombies remaining: 64 .. 1 cop kill count: 2937 :) |
| 21:33.55 | brlcad | er, 63 :) |
| 21:53.02 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36644 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/ (4 files in 2 dirs): More dmtogl tweaking and setup. |
| 21:56.56 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36645 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/ (Makefile.am ditsplit.c): ws indent cleanup, increased precision on sqrt defines |
| 21:58.14 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36646 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/ditsplit.c: get rid of globals |
| 22:01.53 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36647 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/ (ditsplit.c ditsplitc.c): sync up similar ws changes |
| 22:31.08 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36648 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/fftfast.c: use M_PI instead of PI and clean up ws/indent in the process. |
| 22:32.08 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36649 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/ditsplitc.c: these globals are referenced by the application front-end for printing a summary status, so they have to be global or passed in. |
| 22:34.33 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36650 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/fft.h: provide math.h and M_PI for everyone |
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| 22:35.26 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36651 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/fftfast.c: moved M_PI to fft.h |
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| 22:36.37 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36652 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/ (fftc.c fftest.c ifftc.c splitditc.c): oops, looks like strict flags were already committed enabled. quell strict compilation warnings. |
| 22:40.19 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36653 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/ (ditsplit.c ditsplitc.c fft.h splitdit.c splitditc.c): use fft.h for INVSQ2 and SQRT2 too |
| 22:42.40 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36654 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/ (ditsplit.c ditsplitc.c fft.h splitdit.c splitditc.c): use the standard defines M_SQRT1_2 and M_SQRT2 instead of previous |
| 22:45.07 | brlcad | woo hoo, another strict lib |
| 22:45.17 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36655 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/ (ditsplitc.c splitditc.c): use fft.h instead of hard-wiring the value |
| 22:47.54 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36656 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfft/fftest.c: remove embedded pi value |
| 22:49.58 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36657 10/brlcad/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:49.58 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: Wrap up all the boilerplate for the dm template declarations into a macro, |
| 22:49.58 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: except in the case of Windows where the type signatures are different - is this |
| 22:49.58 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: a requirement of the Visual Studio compiler? Anyway, simplify the process of |
| 22:49.58 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: syncing this across multiple dms. |
| 23:00.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36658 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liborle/rle.c: ws indent style cleanup |
| 23:03.51 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36659 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/src/other/togl/ (. configure): Minor cleaups of togl within svn tree. |
| 23:04.37 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36660 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liborle/ (Makefile.am rle.c): quell single verbose warning about unreached code (due to constant and macro expansion), enable strict compilation |
| 23:05.10 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36661 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/src/other/togl/: More svn:ignore togl tweaks. |
| 23:07.12 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36662 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/ (Makefile.am tcl.c): quell unused var warning, enable strict compilation. clean compile at least mac. |
| 23:10.04 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36663 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/ (21 files in 5 dirs): Grab the libdm changes from trunk, pull other updates as long as we're doing it. |
| 23:11.06 | brlcad | mmmm.palindrome.emordnilap.mmmm |
| 23:11.24 | starseeker | hehe |
| 23:13.54 | ``Erik | dang bastages, makin' a mess of the code |
| 23:16.32 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36664 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/pkg.c: |
| 23:16.32 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: quell a handful of verbose/c99-strict compilation warnings including avoiding |
| 23:16.32 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: fileno(), skipping the superset isascii() test used with isprint(), and avoiding |
| 23:16.32 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: using caddr_t (tested on linux and mac to just cast to void* instead) |
| 23:17.12 | brlcad | cool, 7 lib dirs now compile strict c99 with full warnings |
| 23:17.19 | starseeker | sweeet |
| 23:18.10 | starseeker | ``Erik: you could always bring your two experts into play and have them walk on the keyboard ;-) |
| 23:18.20 | ``Erik | hah |
| 23:18.23 | ``Erik | nah |
| 23:18.39 | ``Erik | don't wanna give you competition ;> *duck* |
| 23:19.26 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36665 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtermio/ (Makefile.am termio.c): quell all verbose compilation warnings, enable strict flags |
| 23:19.33 | starseeker | looks active but is mostly cleaning up svn:ignore and syncing branches before the holiday - brlcad's the one doing real damage |
| 23:20.11 | starseeker | took your macro idea for a test spin |
| 23:20.23 | ``Erik | hm, I imagine there'll be like 3 people in the building on friday, so'z probably not going to lunch that day *does finances* |
| 23:23.29 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36666 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtermio/termio.c: ws, indent, style cleanup |
| 23:25.19 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36667 10/brlcad/branches/rel8/ (36 files in 18 dirs): Sync rel8 to latest trunk, mostly to get the svn:ignore stuff. |
| 23:44.00 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36668 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-ogl.c: restructure to avoid all forward declarations as an example for the other DMs |
| 23:48.28 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36669 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-ogl.c: more restructuring to remove a couple other forward decls, clean up comments/indent/ws |
| 23:50.12 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36670 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-ogl.c: egads, shouldn't set vars to HIDDEN .. that static keyword means something else... |
| 23:50.55 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36671 10/brlcad/trunk/include/dm.h: quell warning |
| 23:56.36 | ``Erik | still get compile errors(warnings) in libgcv O.o |
| 23:58.04 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36672 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-wgl.c: those are wrong! .. bad HIDDEN, need to be static. |
| 00:00.57 | brlcad | down to just 36 zombies remaining, 2964 zombies per cop kills |
| 00:01.37 | brlcad | oh hnoes.. looks like they actually got him! hah |
| 00:02.05 | brlcad | ahhhh, never mind.. there he is.. hidden under the google logo |
| 00:08.16 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36673 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/tcl.c: restructure to avoid forward decls, mark unused parameters |
| 00:09.21 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36674 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/tcl.c: ws |
| 00:19.55 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36675 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtermio/termio.c: ws cleanup, break out TAB3 and XTABS |
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| 00:59.27 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36676 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtermio/termio.c: |
| 00:59.27 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: refactor the antiquated tab-expansion logic to work even if there is no tab |
| 00:59.27 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: support (strict c99 mode). try TAB3 if we can, or one of several other variants |
| 00:59.27 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: until we either find something otherwise punt and disable support on our end |
| 00:59.27 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: too. |
| 01:01.20 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36677 10/brlcad/trunk/include/pkg.h: uname shadows a global |
| 02:06.04 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36678 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ (tclcadAutoPath.c tkImgFmtPIX.c): quell warnings |
| 02:23.56 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36679 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/dm.h src/libdm/axes.c): mark thy constness. rmat can be const. |
| 02:24.26 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36680 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: quell warnings, make functions use HIDDEN |
| 02:35.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36681 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/iges/g-iges.c: c99 dictates the use of S_ISDIR() instead of accessing the S_IFDIR mask directly |
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| 02:40.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36682 10/brlcad/trunk/src/nirt/parse_fmt.c: ws indent cleanup |
| 02:43.48 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36683 10/brlcad/trunk/src/nirt/parse_fmt.c: c99 compliance, no popen() available so don't rely on it. |
| 02:46.20 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36684 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/dfft.c: ws cleanup |
| 02:48.11 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36685 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/dfft.c: use STDIN_FILENO and STDOUT_FILENO to be c99 compliant. |
| 02:52.22 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36686 10/brlcad/trunk/src/sig/syn.c: ws cleanup, add vmath.h for M_PI (in case we're c99 strict), reorder to remove decl. |
| 03:03.31 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36687 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/pixcmp.c: declare the getopt bits, cleanup, remove pixdiffish comment |
| 03:18.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36688 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/TODO: note a handful of immediate impression issues provoked by feedback from a user (andre anckaert). bad help and missing commands. |
| 03:30.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36689 10/brlcad/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): try a manual edit of the sole 'Crossbow' reference in the windows chm file.. couldn't find where BRL-CAD Commands was coming from, though. |
| 03:34.18 | starseeker | blinks - a chm file? I hadn't noticed that |
| 03:34.30 | brlcad | burn it! |
| 03:34.33 | starseeker | no kidding |
| 03:34.50 | brlcad | only noticed myself after grepping the file tree for Crossbow |
| 03:35.01 | starseeker | thought it was just a funky html until the only dell printer manual I could find turned out to need a special app to read... |
| 03:35.48 | brlcad | it is basically |
| 03:35.50 | brlcad | compiled html |
| 03:35.51 | starseeker | makes note to pester Bob into getting tkhtml3 working on Windows - then we can bring in the html viewer and nuke that sucker |
| 03:36.33 | starseeker | however, since I have the viewer I can check the contents... |
| 03:37.23 | ``Erik | chm? really? does windows even use those anymore? |
| 03:37.52 | starseeker | snorts - no, I think they noticed it had been decoded and thought up something else... |
| 03:38.02 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36690 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/TODO: archer docs should not be in chm format (even for windows) |
| 03:38.08 | brlcad | there's another change that chm needs.. calls them "BRL-CAD Commands" |
| 03:38.17 | starseeker | erm... Needed file /Archer/Archer_Introduction.htm is not present in this CHM archive |
| 03:38.28 | brlcad | lovely |
| 03:38.41 | brlcad | thought I saw a slew of file refs |
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| 03:42.08 | starseeker | extract_chmLib does something with it... |
| 03:42.40 | starseeker | what the bleep... |
| 03:42.40 | starseeker | what is a .brs file |
| 03:42.49 | starseeker | sees some htm and css in there... |
| 03:43.48 | starseeker | oh, peachy |
| 03:43.56 | starseeker | a lot of the htm files are zero size |
| 03:44.02 | starseeker | fines a non-empty one... |
| 03:44.13 | brlcad | them html2docbook? :) |
| 03:44.22 | starseeker | actually... |
| 03:44.49 | starseeker | the only actual content looks like what we're doing in system/man1/en - per-command htm files |
| 03:44.58 | starseeker | reads... |
| 03:46.09 | starseeker | what the hell |
| 03:46.23 | starseeker | the non-zero length items are filled with spaces?? |
| 03:47.45 | starseeker | votes we delete that sucker |
| 03:49.59 | ``Erik | wonder how legal eliminating trailing whitespace on ALL files would be |
| 03:49.59 | starseeker | here's everything extrach_chmLib got out of it: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d7e84429e |
| 03:50.16 | ``Erik | :%s/[ \t]*$// |
| 03:50.48 | ``Erik | find . -type f | xargs sed -e -i.bak 's/[ ^I]+$//' |
| 03:50.48 | ``Erik | ? |
| 03:51.05 | starseeker | hmm? |
| 03:51.11 | starseeker | what, run that on the results? |
| 03:51.32 | ``Erik | any and all? I dunno, I'm not really reading what you're typing :D |
| 03:51.40 | starseeker | ah |
| 03:52.07 | ``Erik | ya said something about a non-zero length item that was just spaces? would terminating trailing whitespace make it a zero length item? |
| 03:52.08 | starseeker | I mean no tool I have shows any indication of there being ANY useful content in that chm file |
| 03:52.16 | starseeker | oh |
| 03:52.32 | starseeker | maybe, but the idea was to find even one file that says something intelligent |
| 03:53.04 | starseeker | sees no signs of it, and it looks like even what was once there will be supplanted by the man page work |
| 03:53.30 | starseeker | brlcad: if you're still at work, can a Windows box do anything with it? |
| 03:53.52 | brlcad | starseeker: i'll test here in a couple min |
| 03:53.59 | starseeker | WOOT - Lisp in Small Pieces arrived |
| 03:54.09 | starseeker | somewhat battered, but intact and fully legible |
| 03:54.34 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'm battling back towards Lisp Respectibility |
| 03:54.56 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:55.18 | ``Erik | y'know, at first, I was really excited, but then after reading and skimming, I'm less impressed |
| 03:55.30 | starseeker | really? |
| 03:55.43 | starseeker | not detailed? |
| 03:55.45 | ``Erik | mebbe it's because I've had it sitting down for so long |
| 03:55.58 | ``Erik | it had reasonable detail, but nothing staggering to it? |
| 03:56.08 | ``Erik | I have it and pcl on my coffee table, though |
| 03:56.17 | ``Erik | gets the girls all worked up, ch'know |
| 03:56.36 | starseeker | I understood the idea was to document at a very low level what it took to make a lisp implementation |
| 03:57.07 | ``Erik | yeh, but other texts have that, too |
| 03:57.21 | ``Erik | it really doesn't take much at all |
| 03:58.21 | starseeker | raises eyebrow |
| 03:58.27 | starseeker | glad I didn't blow $100 on it then |
| 03:58.51 | starseeker | nuts, shoulda waited longer and bought your copy off ya ;-) |
| 04:04.06 | ``Erik | hehehe, I d'no, it may've been that I bought it to answer some pretty specific questions and wasn't satisfied to those specific answers *shrug* I d'no |
| 04:05.08 | brlcad | hm, i don't want to log into windows.. leave it for bob later |
| 04:07.44 | ``Erik | I'm telling him you said tht |
| 04:08.10 | ``Erik | he'll park his truck ontop of your car in retaliation O.o |
| 04:08.56 | brlcad | http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/11/the_great_muppet_bohemian_rhapsody_cover.php |
| 04:09.33 | ``Erik | I've seen topless robot before O.o |
| 04:12.33 | ``Erik | hrm, is there a cognative difference between "sci-fi" and science fiction? |
| 04:14.58 | ``Erik | ohhh, they had one about generating the computer graphics used in the original star wars trilogy, that's right |
| 04:15.11 | ``Erik | using a projector and vector displays |
| 04:15.19 | ``Erik | and giving up on using a computer at one point |
| 04:37.26 | starseeker | ``Erik: isn't it sy-fi now or some such nonsense? |
| 04:40.21 | ``Erik | I meant "sci-fi" the genre, not "SciFi" the tv network |
| 04:40.30 | ``Erik | but tyat is "SyFy" now |
| 04:40.43 | ``Erik | since that STOPPED SHOWING SCIENCE FICTION |
| 04:40.51 | ``Erik | and just do horror shit and plain old shit now |
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| 05:00.59 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36691 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtermio/termio.c: ifdef header test, not just if |
| 05:39.29 | brlcad | woot, we now compile c99 strict (albeit with slews and slews of warnings) |
| 05:41.08 | Ralith | I doubt there exists any major project that escapes that. |
| 05:43.11 | brlcad | escapes what? |
| 05:43.18 | brlcad | warnings? |
| 05:44.55 | brlcad | even on a large codebase, have to control the entropy and complexity.. does get harder, but all the more reason I think it's important we get things clean, then set it up (with strict flags) so they can stay clean |
| 05:45.32 | brlcad | pretty cool that about 10 main libs are fully clean now |
| 05:46.39 | brlcad | next up are probably librt and libged.. then maybe work on finally kicking off a coverity scan |
| 05:58.36 | brlcad | kicks off another zombie attack, this time to the extreme |
| 05:59.14 | brlcad | 1 vs 17000 |
| 05:59.49 | brlcad | first few all failed miserably after less than a hundred .. but now this dude made it past the first wave and looks like he just might clean house |
| 05:59.59 | brlcad | lets it run over the week/weekend |
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| 09:47.10 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36692 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bio.h: defined S_ISDIR for not-C99 compilers |
| 11:20.05 | d_rossberg | i tried to test my last change on linux but i had no success: |
| 11:21.13 | d_rossberg | i got an error in src/libbu/brlcad_path.c: |
| 11:22.04 | d_rossberg | ../../include/brlcad_version.h:153: Error: »brlcad_ident« defed but not referenced |
| 11:23.10 | d_rossberg | (it's a warning considered as an error) |
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| 14:07.08 | brlcad | d_rossberg: hm, interesting .. wonder why you get that result |
| 14:09.01 | brlcad | can you paste the exact compile line and error message? |
| 14:12.15 | brlcad | suspect it's a "defined but not used" warning? |
| 14:18.19 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36693 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brlcad_version.h: attempt to quell a 'defined but not used' warning reported by daniel. provide a non-static function that calls brlcad_ident() so that it's used (and it calls brlcad_version() so we're good on the second static func). |
| 14:19.05 | brlcad | see if that helps |
| 14:29.48 | d_rossberg | now brlcad_path.c goes through |
| 14:30.45 | d_rossberg | i wonder if the linker will complain about the multiple defined function brlcad_identify() ... |
| 14:31.33 | d_rossberg | yes, it will! |
| 14:33.43 | d_rossberg | see http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m23a44768 |
| 14:42.59 | brlcad | yeah, I wondered about that too.. :) |
| 14:43.22 | brlcad | hm! |
| 14:43.50 | d_rossberg | i'm working on a solution: splitting brlcad_version.h into 2 files (?) |
| 14:44.20 | brlcad | need c++ so could do a static var initializer |
| 14:46.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36694 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brlcad_version.h: yeah, bad idea. multiple definitions in the lib since it's not in a compilation unit. |
| 14:46.57 | d_rossberg | i try one header with the constants and an other header with the static function |
| 14:48.45 | brlcad | interestingly, there's already a quelling in there to prevent the "this is not used" warning |
| 14:49.09 | brlcad | gcc apparently got a little smarter and realized it was a trick |
| 14:52.04 | d_rossberg | this is the "defined but not referenced" message is got: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m5b3ec115 |
| 14:52.53 | d_rossberg | gcc (Debian 4.3.4-6) 4.3.4 |
| 14:54.38 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36695 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brlcad_version.h: |
| 14:54.38 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: attempt #3: quell the use warning by having brlcad_version() call |
| 14:54.38 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: brlcad_ident(). this creates a recursive cycle that should call both functions |
| 14:54.38 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: the second time through regardless of which is called.. at least that's the |
| 14:54.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: theory. |
| 14:54.52 | brlcad | ahh, heh, in german .. awesome |
| 14:56.06 | brlcad | bah, my logic isn't sound .. infinite loop |
| 14:59.24 | brlcad | fixing |
| 15:00.47 | d_rossberg | my make is still working with the latest version ... |
| 15:02.16 | brlcad | yeah, it'll build |
| 15:02.19 | brlcad | it's a run-time inf loop |
| 15:02.40 | brlcad | flawed double recursion |
| 15:05.29 | d_rossberg | i have a new one: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m1df3620a |
| 15:09.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36696 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brlcad_version.h: |
| 15:09.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: yeah, previous logic was flawed. would have resulted in a run-time double |
| 15:09.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: recursion inf loop. this form should work regardless of which function is |
| 15:09.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: called first and has both functions calling the other quelling any non-use |
| 15:09.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: warnings. |
| 15:12.31 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36697 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/pkg.c: quell size_t ->printf-> long warnings |
| 15:23.15 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36698 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/pkg.c: one cast was missing (size_t->long warning) |
| 15:44.00 | d_rossberg | looks like there are no more errors during make |
| 15:52.45 | brlcad | cool |
| 15:52.53 | brlcad | cya daniel |
| 15:56.26 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36699 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ptbl.c: cast %p format args to void*, quellage |
| 16:00.57 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36700 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/semaphore.c: more warnings to quell... |
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| 16:23.39 | ``Erik | shudders at the notion of gettext-izing BRL-CAD |
| 16:26.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36701 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/ (plane.c sphmap.c tabdata.c wavelet.c): whee... MORE warnings... where do these keep coming from?? this same machine compiled verbose strict a couple days ago. |
| 16:26.23 | brlcad | yeah, no fun |
| 16:30.35 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36702 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bn.h: cast our args to what we're logging them as |
| 16:31.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36703 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need to rename bu_ptbl() .. conflicts with c++ compilation |
| 16:34.23 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36704 10/brlcad/trunk/src/nirt/ (8 files): misc cleanup, ws, indent, quellage |
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| 20:20.37 | starseeker | ``Erik: is gettext-izing BRL-CAD on the todo? |
| 20:34.36 | starseeker | oh lovely |
| 20:34.53 | starseeker | autoconf 2.64 doesn't like BRL-CAD |
| 20:35.09 | starseeker | pulls a clean checkout to be sure... |
| 20:49.23 | starseeker | yep |
| 20:50.43 | starseeker | oh, looks like it might be griping about tkhtml3? |
| 20:50.58 | starseeker | added AUTHORS, ChangeLog, INSTALL, COPYING and NEWS... |
| 20:51.02 | starseeker | humph |
| 20:52.54 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36705 10/brlcad/trunk/m4/: Tweak svn:ignore in m4 dir |
| 20:54.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36706 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/m4/: Tweak svn:ignore in src/other/step m4 dir |
| 20:59.06 | starseeker | that's not all of it... six instances of complaining by grep about Makefile.am not found |
| 21:01.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36707 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkhtml3/ (AUTHORS COPYING COPYRIGHT ChangeLog INSTALL NEWS): Move COPYRIGHT file to COPYING and add in stubs of other 'standard' files to quiet autoreconf blathering. |
| 21:03.54 | starseeker | or autogen, more properly... |
| 21:28.05 | ``Erik | not on the todo, but i10n/l18n ... done pennance on dem |
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| 14:15.27 | ``Erik | ogre 1.6.4 is out |
| 14:17.15 | ``Erik | "tacocat is a palindrome" heh |
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| 14:55.06 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36709 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/pkg.c: type fixes for STRICT_FLAGS |
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| 20:25.40 | ``Erik | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/11/27/1851243/Building-3D-Models-On-the-Fly-With-a-Webcam?art_pos=2 |
| 20:54.19 | yukonbob | ``Erik: neat |
| 23:17.50 | ``Erik | heh navy strong http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=8275 |
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| 01:38.07 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1994 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_put_edit_solid: stubify |
| 01:40.23 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1995 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_QuestionMarkDevel: |
| 01:41.22 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1996 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_aproposdevel: |
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| 05:46.08 | talcite | starseeker: you there? |
| 05:46.19 | talcite | I've applied the fix to the specfile and it didn't help |
| 06:46.53 | talcite | starseeker: sorry, I'm referring to the xsltproc build failure. I added the libxslt build requirement. Also, the --disable-documentation option is specified in the configure script |
| 10:39.36 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36710 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/backtrace.c: check the return types on write() to make sure it succeeded. remember to avoid using stack vars on the crash path. |
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| 22:09.41 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36712 10/brlcad/trunk/include/vmath.h: (log message trimmed) |
| 22:09.41 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: oof. this can have some widespread repercussions.. VEQUAL was using exactness |
| 22:09.41 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: testing, relying on stable representation comparisons (leaving a false sense of |
| 22:09.41 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: behavior by callers). SMALL_FASTF is what we define as the minimum |
| 22:09.43 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: representation capacity delta of the hardware, so we use that now instead. this |
| 22:09.45 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: will change behavior and require additional testing, but is what the vmath |
| 22:09.47 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: routine needs to be. the callers (which at a glance are patch-g, |
| 22:18.15 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36713 10/brlcad/trunk/include/vmath.h: ws style cleanup |
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| 22:28.26 | talcite | starseeker: ping? |
| 22:29.04 | starseeker | talcite: got a few minutes |
| 22:29.13 | starseeker | you've got the xsltproc binary? |
| 22:29.53 | talcite | starseeker: yes |
| 22:30.11 | starseeker | that's really strange |
| 22:30.36 | talcite | is it an autotool script bug? |
| 22:30.39 | starseeker | can you post your config.log file at pastebin.bzflag.bz? |
| 22:30.42 | starseeker | could be |
| 22:31.11 | talcite | I don't have the config.log, but I have the config output. Is that alright? |
| 22:31.19 | starseeker | it's a start |
| 22:31.23 | talcite | I was building on the fedora koji server. I only have access to the output from mock |
| 22:31.29 | starseeker | hmm |
| 22:31.49 | starseeker | do you have a local machine with the same version of fedora? |
| 22:31.57 | starseeker | first step would be to get it working there |
| 22:32.23 | talcite | I do, but it's at home right now. The laptop takes an hour to compile |
| 22:32.33 | starseeker | well, all you need is to configure |
| 22:32.42 | starseeker | check the Makefile in doc/docbook |
| 22:32.51 | talcite | hmm ok. Give me a sec |
| 22:33.01 | talcite | you want this to be built in a chroot jail or no? |
| 22:33.39 | starseeker | if it's XSLTPROC variable is empty, we've got a problem |
| 22:34.07 | starseeker | as close to the koji server as you can conveniently arragne |
| 22:34.10 | starseeker | arrange even |
| 22:35.04 | talcite | I can make it mostly identical. The koji server runs mock to build with chroot jails, just like I have here |
| 22:35.05 | talcite | one sec |
| 22:37.19 | talcite | starseeker: I don't actually know if this builds outside of the chroot jail. I've never done 7.16 outside of one |
| 22:40.39 | talcite | starseeker: this may take more than a few minutes actually. It needs to install the dev packages to the chroot. Will you be back tonight? |
| 22:43.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36714 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: also rename nmg_struct_counts() due to struct of same name. |
| 22:43.33 | talcite | it's empty |
| 22:43.38 | talcite | brb. |
| 22:51.52 | starseeker | talcite: dunno - maybe later |
| 23:00.34 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36715 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp): |
| 23:00.34 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: provide a non-negative tolerance to get_closest_point(), namely the one that it |
| 23:00.34 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: was using internally (BREP_FCP_ROOT_EPSILON) and ignoring the passed tolerance. |
| 23:00.34 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: now it uses the tolerance passed. quell a slew of other warnings while we're at |
| 23:00.35 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: it, what a mess. |
| 23:17.43 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36716 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: fix initialization ordering, must match declaration |
| 23:17.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36717 10/brlcad/trunk/include/vector_x86.h: quell shadow warnings, has member funcs of same name. |
| 23:19.42 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36718 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: quell more warnings, convert exact floating point comparison into a root epsilon comparison (sensitivity required is undocumented) |
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| 23:28.48 | talcite | starseeker: the XSLTPROC variable is empty |
| 23:34.02 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36719 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: mass ws style indent comment cleanup, take out the trash too |
| 23:39.28 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36720 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: another dead code section, make the KTANGENTBREAK section non-conditional and remove the old linear case |
| 23:40.43 | brlcad | empty or ':' ? |
| 23:41.22 | brlcad | it shouldn't be empty unless documentation is disabled and it wasn't detect |
| 23:43.18 | brlcad | it should be ':' if it wasn't detected and documentation is enabled |
| 23:43.22 | brlcad | (talcite) |
| 23:44.15 | talcite | brlcad: empty |
| 23:44.21 | talcite | and documentation is disabled |
| 23:44.31 | talcite | I'm still getting a build failure though |
| 23:45.12 | talcite | brlcad: http://fpaste.org/xeEF/ |
| 23:45.27 | talcite | That was done on koji so I have limited access to the files unfortunately |
| 23:47.18 | brlcad | ah, okay - that's the issue then |
| 23:47.33 | brlcad | it shouldn't be even getting to that dir with documentation disabled |
| 23:48.39 | talcite | yeah |
| 23:48.47 | talcite | actually, let me see if I can re-enable documentation |
| 23:49.08 | talcite | We took it off last time because of a bug in one of the java apps. It's been updated now |
| 23:51.06 | talcite | man. I love the connection on the campus. uploading at 250 kB/s sustained =) |
| 23:51.16 | talcite | koji builds are so fast here |
| 23:51.26 | brlcad | java is only for a subset of the docs |
| 23:51.32 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36721 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/Makefile.am: don't even traverse into the docbook directory if documentation is disabled, just include it in the dist |
| 23:51.40 | brlcad | xslt gives the html docs, java gives the pdf docs |
| 23:52.06 | brlcad | iirc: --disable-documentation will turn both off, --disable-pdf-documentation will turn just the latter off |
| 23:53.01 | brlcad | ah, I lie -- no separate disable-pdf-documentation option any longer |
| 23:53.18 | brlcad | it's just auto-detected, though --disable-documentation will turn both off |
| 23:54.25 | talcite | hmm. Any chance that patch you just submitted will be back-ported to the release? |
| 23:55.00 | talcite | I'm using the 7.16.2 release now. Not SVN anymore |
| 23:57.11 | brlcad | no, we don't back-port any changes unless it's security critical |
| 23:57.28 | brlcad | and even then more likely to yank the release, depending on the issue |
| 23:57.32 | brlcad | too much changes too quickly |
| 23:57.47 | brlcad | plus we're on a monthly iteration cycle anyways, with a release in just a couple days expected |
| 23:58.38 | brlcad | 7.16.4 is scheduled for the first week of December |
| 23:59.26 | brlcad | i still need to run some tests to see if that change is even good, to make sure things package up correctly with docs on/off |
| 00:02.44 | talcite | hmm I see. |
| 00:03.01 | talcite | Wait. we're doing monthly releases now? Big change from the summer. |
| 00:03.33 | talcite | anyways, that'll make things easier. I'll pull the patch from SVN in the mean time if the Java docs build still fails |
| 00:03.44 | brlcad | talcite: we've been doing monthly releases for a couple years... |
| 00:04.08 | brlcad | we've MISSED a few release iterations ... but that's been the schedule for a long time |
| 00:04.14 | talcite | ahh |
| 00:04.47 | brlcad | but yeah, we missed three months in a row this summer... that was really bad |
| 00:05.12 | brlcad | jun, jul, aug |
| 00:05.20 | brlcad | but got back on track after that |
| 00:05.43 | talcite | yeah. I remember that part. I was asking about the releases for awhile. Well the SVN builds worked as well |
| 00:06.04 | brlcad | svn usually builds.. just not a stable environment |
| 00:06.13 | talcite | anyways, we'll have results on the build soon. It's almost uploaded to koji now. |
| 00:06.25 | brlcad | if you want a more stable environment, there is the STABLE branch, but then that changes about as rapidly as our releases :) |
| 00:06.30 | brlcad | cool |
| 00:13.25 | brlcad | talcite: as a workaround, it looks like setting APACHEFOP before configure can maybe override the test |
| 00:13.57 | talcite | hmm. I don't know if you can do that from a specfile |
| 00:13.59 | brlcad | i.e, leave documentation enabled, but set APACHEFOP to emptry string or : to disable |
| 00:14.27 | talcite | well, we'll deal with it when it comes I suppose |
| 00:14.34 | brlcad | I believe you can set env vars as a configure optino |
| 00:18.04 | brlcad | testing.. yeah, ./configure APACHEFOP=: --prefix=... |
| 00:18.12 | brlcad | just like any other --option |
| 00:24.51 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36722 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 00:24.51 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: rename get_solidbitv() function to rt_get_solidbitv() to be api-consistent. |
| 00:24.51 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: change the first parameter from a long to a size_t while we're at it and mark |
| 00:24.51 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: the old name as obsolete (even though it wasn't proper api with the bad name) |
| 00:27.01 | talcite | brlcad: ahh yes, that's right. Also, the build went well. The only error I got was related to a specfile configuration thing. It got past the compile stage |
| 00:30.48 | brlcad | great |
| 00:35.02 | talcite | brlcad: do you know what the Tkhtml3.0/pkgIndex.tcl script is for? I can't see the file since it was a koji build, but it's shown up now that I'm building against 7.6.12 and F12 |
| 00:35.20 | talcite | I need to know whether to put it in the devel package or the regular one |
| 00:44.16 | brlcad | all tcl packages (aka extensions) have a pkgIndex.tcl file that tells tcl how to load that extension |
| 00:44.59 | brlcad | it's a file that should get installed |
| 00:45.15 | talcite | I see. It's strange it didn't get caught by the glob. |
| 00:48.47 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 00:49.01 | brlcad | it will get generated during compile, and should get installed during the install rule |
| 00:50.40 | brlcad | it's a build product, like libTkhtml3.0.so |
| 00:53.08 | talcite | I have an error because it says it's installed but not packaged. I'm missing it in the %files section. The strange thing is I have a glob %{_libdir}/%{name}/*.so |
| 00:53.34 | talcite | both the libTkhtml3.0.so and pkgIndex.tcl files are left over |
| 00:57.02 | brlcad | *.so is supposed to make pkgIndex.tcl ? :) |
| 00:57.13 | brlcad | s/make/match/ |
| 01:00.25 | talcite | heh no. *.so won't get pkgIndex.tcl. It should get libTkhtml3.0 though. Also. I don't know why pkgIndex.tcl didn't show up before. |
| 01:10.32 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36723 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (14 files in 2 dirs): quell a slew of verbose strict compilation warnings, shadow warnings, unused params, floating point comparisons |
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| 13:38.00 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36725 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ars/ars.c: |
| 13:38.00 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: Removed trailing semi-colon on macros that expand out as a block of statements |
| 13:38.00 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: but used as a single statement in an if-then-else expression like -> if (cond) |
| 13:38.00 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: BLOCK1MACRO(a,b) else BLOCK2MACRO(a,b,c) Can explicitly add another block layer |
| 13:38.00 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: if this is something the WS script is inducing?? |
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| 14:15.12 | d-lo | was introduced to a new comedian this weekend: www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9pAv-z2ens |
| 14:15.36 | ``Erik | is frightened O.o |
| 14:15.47 | d-lo | its work safe. |
| 14:15.52 | d-lo | I promise |
| 14:15.54 | d-lo | MUWAHAHAHA |
| 14:15.57 | ``Erik | oh, that's never stopped me before |
| 14:16.01 | ``Erik | but is it sanity safe? |
| 14:16.22 | d-lo | actually yeah. Its a stretch for me, i know. |
| 14:16.38 | ``Erik | gotten that dvd mailed to you yet? |
| 14:17.03 | d-lo | dunno, havta check |
| 14:17.58 | ``Erik | had a buddy come visit over the weekend, realized I have wayyyyy to many wow toons when figuring out which ones I didn't work off the 'rested' for |
| 14:18.14 | d-lo | 'rested' ? |
| 14:19.04 | ``Erik | um, yeah, mechanism to help 'casual' players, if you're in "inn", you gain rested at a slow rate, when you kill something, you get double experience if you're rested (and the amount of extra xp subtracted from the rested value) |
| 14:19.22 | d-lo | ah, I see. |
| 14:19.52 | ``Erik | a week of rested is worth mebbe 2-4 hours of aggressive playing, so'z I use it as my "time to stop" indicator |
| 14:20.27 | d-lo | heh good call. Does Wow have a builtin clock? aka set a 3 hour timer ? |
| 14:21.12 | ``Erik | um, I think it does... I know it has 'parental controls' that allow setting a maximum number of hours per period and stuff, but I haven't tried any of those |
| 14:21.25 | d-lo | nice :) |
| 14:22.14 | ``Erik | it's easier on my sanity to view using up rested as a goal instead of setting something up to restrict me, y'know? |
| 14:22.21 | ``Erik | positive spin and all |
| 14:22.34 | d-lo | make sense |
| 14:23.58 | d-lo | makes sense even :) |
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| 14:39.56 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36726 10/rt^3/trunk/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Rearrange cmake build so that all binaries are generated in one location. |
| 15:00.37 | ``Erik | hah, good xkcd today |
| 15:01.15 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36727 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ars/ars.c: ah yes, run into this before. wrapping the if/else in braces so the macro semicolon doesn't cause problems. preferable so all lines syntactically are consistent (and replaceable with functions if needed). |
| 15:10.18 | brlcad | haha, so true... http://xkcd.com/664/ |
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| 15:19.50 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36728 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtermio/termio.c: Define COMPAT_43TTY on FreeBSD to avoid compile failure on FBSD8. This probably needs a lot more attention. |
| 15:23.11 | ``Erik | d-lo: that y00t00b clip would make quite the interesting movie O.o |
| 15:24.11 | d-lo | Even more Action: Get down... again! |
| 15:24.13 | d-lo | lol |
| 16:31.11 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36729 10/rt^3/trunk/src/adminpanel/ (AdminControlPanel.cxx AdminControlPanel.h): Slight mod to use pointers instead of reference |
| 16:32.02 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36730 10/rt^3/trunk/src/GS/ (gsmain.cxx gsph0.cxx): Slight Rename |
| 16:34.04 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36731 10/rt^3/trunk/src/adminpanel/ (ACPCommand.cxx ACPCommand.h AdminControlPanel.h): Forgot to remove import to antiquated header. |
| 16:45.08 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36732 10/rt^3/trunk/src/GS/CMakeLists.txt: WS cleanup. |
| 17:01.39 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36733 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Stub in beginnings of NetMsgFactory |
| 18:05.30 | starseeker | brlcad: heh, yeah, posted that same one earlier |
| 18:05.48 | starseeker | xkcd is occasionally so insightful it's scary |
| 18:06.02 | starseeker | and often just plain scary ;-) |
| 18:07.33 | starseeker | makes a note to get cadtools compiling and check it out... might be able to have some SDL+adrt+toolkit fun... |
| 18:07.54 | starseeker | which of course completely misses the point of getting the new SuperGUI in Ogre/Qt working... |
| 18:09.27 | ``Erik | panda3d, w00t |
| 18:10.34 | starseeker | blinks |
| 18:10.44 | ``Erik | PyADR! |
| 18:10.48 | ``Erik | PyADRT even |
| 18:10.54 | starseeker | that makes Ogre, OSG, Panda3d, crystalspace... |
| 18:11.00 | ``Erik | ahhhh, PISST, yes |
| 18:11.03 | ``Erik | the python ISST |
| 18:11.05 | ``Erik | I like it |
| 18:11.08 | starseeker | hehe |
| 18:11.30 | ``Erik | and a nice distribution whitepaper... "Getting PISST" |
| 18:12.10 | ``Erik | now should the user manual be called "totally pisst"? |
| 18:12.52 | starseeker | suggests a new signature for ``Erik's emails "Causing Trouble for the Politically Correct for 20 years and counting." |
| 18:13.11 | ``Erik | well, thirty something, but... |
| 18:13.34 | starseeker | ``Erik: surely you won't miss the chance to have the Quit button be "PISST off" |
| 18:13.49 | ``Erik | was thinking about it |
| 18:14.03 | starseeker | as long as I get to watch you brief it |
| 18:14.11 | ``Erik | that seems a little too direct, and I couldn't think of a good sentence to embedded it into |
| 18:14.14 | starseeker | with popcorn |
| 18:14.54 | starseeker | "Turning PISST off - proper shutdown procedures" |
| 18:15.16 | ``Erik | see, that doesn't flow so well |
| 18:15.33 | starseeker | that's a title for a chapter |
| 18:15.55 | starseeker | puts link here for himself later: http://hypertriton.com/cadtools/ |
| 18:16.02 | ``Erik | just imagine the section going through the procedure of getting PISST on |
| 18:16.03 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 18:16.31 | starseeker | ``Erik: since when did government documentation "flow"? Ever try reading anything on THOMAS? |
| 18:16.54 | ``Erik | yeah, but I like to do it with style and class. |
| 18:17.02 | ``Erik | You should see the stuff about my balls |
| 18:17.44 | starseeker | you're going to see that vanish one day in a blaze of glorious commits... |
| 18:17.49 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/niceballs.png |
| 18:18.24 | ``Erik | still need to fix things, subtraction is horrible.. bad things happen when you remove a chunk of my balls |
| 18:18.27 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 18:18.27 | starseeker | hmm - this is moderately strange... http://members.shaw.ca/tnbaker/SDLTk/ |
| 18:18.49 | starseeker | ``Erik: obj-g is bot only at the moment, correct? |
| 18:18.56 | ``Erik | yes |
| 18:19.05 | ``Erik | if that much |
| 18:20.44 | ``Erik | allt he OBJ files I've actually run across have been either triangles or quads, haven't seen a NURBS one in the wild |
| 18:24.04 | starseeker | ``Erik: was that g-egg converter a side project or did someone want it? |
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| 20:03.00 | ``Erik | I wanted it |
| 20:03.22 | ``Erik | I was dorking with panda and figured it'd be interesting to import a BRL-CAD geometry into the engine |
| 20:03.49 | starseeker | so it's fair to cite that as an open source contribution? |
| 20:04.02 | ``Erik | yeah, was all done from home |
| 20:04.08 | starseeker | cool |
| 20:04.17 | ``Erik | on like a sunday |
| 20:04.23 | ``Erik | most of the obj-g was done on a saturday I think |
| 20:04.46 | starseeker | thought Certain People here wanted obj-g? |
| 20:05.38 | ``Erik | it was on a low priority tracker for, uh, years |
| 20:05.52 | ``Erik | but it didn't get any attention until I was dorking with it for fun |
| 20:06.18 | ``Erik | actually, it was only on the tracker because I went and made a charge of importers and exporters and looked for where we couldn't do round-trip |
| 20:06.36 | ``Erik | yeah, first obj-g.c commit was a sunday |
| 20:06.48 | ``Erik | er, sorry, saturday |
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| 21:18.52 | Talcite_cell | brlcad, did we get a new release of tkhtml in 7.16.2? |
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| 21:39.41 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.21 | brlcad | external dependency upgrades are usually documented in our TODO file as well, and nothing there |
| 21:43.38 | talcite | I see. |
| 21:43.48 | talcite | It's strange that these 2 new files appeared out of nowhere then. |
| 22:03.25 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36734 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (71 files in 20 dirs): WHOOOSH! massive ws style indent comment consistency update. also includes dead code elimination and much static->HIDDEN on funcs. should be no logic changes. |
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| 23:10.06 | ``Erik | so svn log it? heh |
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| 00:31.52 | ``Erik | <-- ended up driving behind a saleen mustang on the way home, not too many of those around |
| 00:33.38 | ``Erik | not sure if it was the 365hp one or the 600hp one, either way, impressive straightline shtuff |
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| 01:36.59 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1999 10/wiki/Category:MGED_geometry_information_commands: New page: [[category:MGED]] |
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| 02:01.52 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2019 10/wiki/Category:MGED_object_creation: |
| 02:02.39 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2020 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_g: |
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| 02:16.24 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2033 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_unhide: Redirecting to [[MGED CMD hide]] |
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| 08:01.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: keep in mind: HIDDEN != static |
| 08:01.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: HIDDEN may lead to linker errors because of duplicate symbols during the debug build (as happened here) |
| 08:08.10 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36737 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ell/ell.c: removed a remainder of dead code elimination |
| 08:25.05 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36738 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/cline/cline.c: |
| 08:25.05 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: removed trailing semicolon on macros that closed an if-statements before the corresponding else-clause |
| 08:25.05 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: keep in mind: macros are not functions, and adding a semicolon to them so they look like functions does not make it better |
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| 13:42.29 | d-lo | merning all! |
| 13:59.15 | ``Erik | dang punk |
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| 15:38.35 | d-lo | whos da punk? |
| 15:39.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36739 10/rt^3/trunk/ (30 files in 30 dirs): svn:ignore cleanup/standardize |
| 15:41.10 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36740 10/rt^3/trunk/src/ (24 files in 24 dirs): svn:ignore cleanup/standardize |
| 15:47.03 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36741 10/rt^3/trunk/src/other/ (68 files in 68 dirs): More svn:ignore cleanup/standardize |
| 15:52.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36742 10/rt^3/trunk/ (. src/): Yet more svn:ignore cleanup/standardize |
| 16:01.48 | starseeker | brlcad: in today? |
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| 17:19.41 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36743 10/rt^3/trunk/include/iBME/iBMECommon.h: Update MsgType enumeration |
| 18:31.01 | ``Erik | crawls under his desk and falls asleep |
| 18:59.04 | d-lo | right there with ya ``Erik .... |
| 19:13.48 | ``Erik | w00t, my computer shipped! it'll get to my place tomorrow |
| 19:14.07 | ``Erik | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-openrdcdetails.aspx |
| 19:16.35 | d-lo | Interesting... what you have planned for that? Home automation? Carputer? |
| 19:18.46 | ``Erik | replacing my home server (currently a 650mhz pIII with 256m ram (was 128m until 3 days ago)) |
| 19:19.01 | d-lo | ``Erik: How much did that lil thingy run? |
| 19:19.06 | ``Erik | 250 |
| 19:19.10 | d-lo | haha, nice. |
| 19:19.23 | ``Erik | and the $140 1.5tb usb drive for it |
| 19:19.41 | ``Erik | dual gig-E, bunches of usb ports, an esata if I wanna, ... |
| 19:19.44 | ``Erik | ARM cpu :D |
| 19:20.24 | d-lo | fanless cpu though... i take it you don't plan on number crunching with it? |
| 19:20.38 | ``Erik | no, heh |
| 19:20.49 | ``Erik | the 650mhz is sufficient, so the 1.2ghz should be tons |
| 19:21.08 | ``Erik | mostly just irssi, finch, a low usage mysql (thinknig about migrating to sqlite3) |
| 19:21.14 | ``Erik | tinyproxy, natd... |
| 19:21.17 | d-lo | with a name like marvell, you could have a pretty cool, copyright infringing case in no time! |
| 19:22.59 | ``Erik | yehhh, doubt it'd get far, it'd be way more retarded than mcdonalds suing that family restaurant named after the family name in ireland... |
| 19:23.50 | d-lo | hah, that website is baddass :) |
| 19:23.51 | d-lo | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-25-sheevaplug-dev-kit-uk.aspx |
| 19:23.54 | d-lo | that is sooo cool. |
| 19:25.10 | d-lo | lol get a 6 strip and call it a cluster. lol |
| 19:25.21 | ``Erik | haha |
| 19:25.51 | ``Erik | a decent quadcore machine would smoke 6 of those, I'd imagine |
| 19:26.22 | starseeker | hmm - anybody else getting undefined symbols building libdm? |
| 19:26.23 | ``Erik | fanless was a big win for my application with that openrd, I'm tired of hearing fans in my house |
| 19:26.39 | d-lo | well yeah. But a decent quad core machine just isn't as cool as six mini computers hanging off a power strip :) |
| 19:26.53 | ``Erik | http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=0+0+current/freebsd-announce |
| 19:32.56 | d-lo | heh, that openRD runs off a straight +12Vdc. thats sexy |
| 19:37.51 | d-lo | still... i wonder how well it would benchmark brlcad... |
| 19:38.01 | ``Erik | well, if it cranks u p bsd ok, we'll see :D |
| 19:38.20 | ``Erik | I'm still wondering if I can use a single power brick to do both the machine and the hard drive |
| 19:38.51 | d-lo | I didnt see the Wattage/amperage ratings on the website, perhaps in the docs you get. |
| 19:38.58 | d-lo | but its possible I suppose. |
| 19:39.36 | ``Erik | it was really low for the machine, like 4-20 or something |
| 19:39.49 | ``Erik | if my drive takes 12vdc |
| 19:40.07 | ``Erik | imagine how long the ups will hold it up O.O |
| 19:40.45 | d-lo | ha, screw a ups, thats just a waste of power AC->DC->AC->DC |
| 19:41.09 | d-lo | AC->DC->CarBattery->computer |
| 19:41.12 | d-lo | =D |
| 19:42.10 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 19:42.30 | ``Erik | yeh, but that'd be a matter of figuring out how much variance the machine can take |
| 19:42.39 | ``Erik | car batteries provide anything from 10 to 14 volts, right? |
| 19:43.38 | ``Erik | and there'd still need to be switching to avoid slow bleed type issues or something |
| 19:43.42 | ``Erik | *ponder* |
| 19:44.01 | d-lo | right, thats why you get 2 12volt batteries, put em in series and throw a 12V voltage reg on it. Hook up a run of the mil battery charger inbetween the battery and VR and you are good to go |
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| 19:54.39 | starseeker | makes a note to keep an eye out for mushroom clouds over d-lo's house... |
| 19:55.43 | d-lo | heh, no way I'd jury rig something like that at MY house... I'm not crazy after all. |
| 19:55.49 | d-lo | ;) |
| 19:55.58 | ``Erik | 'sall good, if dlo blows himself up, it's just a chunk of rural pennsylvania |
| 19:56.10 | starseeker | heh |
| 19:56.14 | ``Erik | only the amish give a fuck about pa |
| 19:56.19 | ``Erik | :> *duck* |
| 19:56.43 | d-lo | which is why they will never think to look there for my secret base... MUWAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:57.12 | ``Erik | yes, but you seriously might want to reconsider your world dominationn plot using the first ever "land submarine" |
| 19:57.16 | d-lo | FWIW, i have Rambo cop again. he's up to 2450 zombie kills. |
| 19:57.19 | ``Erik | I can think of some serious technical flaws with the plan |
| 19:57.33 | d-lo | lol |
| 19:57.53 | d-lo | Well after Project Land Shark was a complete failure.... what was I to do? |
| 19:58.19 | ``Erik | and all that money on the frikkin' laser beams |
| 19:59.56 | d-lo | yeah, 15000 pairs of Speedo's aren't cheap either. |
| 20:00.38 | ``Erik | looks for his mental eye bleach |
| 20:00.59 | d-lo | *snicker* |
| 20:01.52 | d-lo | we seriously need to do our own version of the Zombie Outbreak Simulator... machine guns would be so hilarious. |
| 20:02.24 | ``Erik | flamethrower |
| 20:02.29 | d-lo | lol |
| 20:03.05 | ``Erik | watching a zombie try to run around while on fire? excellent. |
| 20:03.05 | d-lo | Have a % chance of spreading fire setting. |
| 20:03.05 | d-lo | oh lawd, that would be great |
| 20:34.10 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36744 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Make rtgl definitions match those of ogl, for now... |
| 20:35.05 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36745 10/rt^3/trunk/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Implementation of NetMsgFactory and corresponding tests. Some work on Portal/PortalManager. A few bug fixes. |
| 21:14.12 | starseeker | hmm... http://oglft.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:14.15 | brlcad | heh, nice duplication of FTGL |
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| 01:36.42 | brlcad | starseeker: was not (obviously), day off |
| 01:39.04 | brlcad | sheeva plug is awesome.. a wired webcame and you have an endpoint video monitoring setup |
| 01:44.48 | ``Erik | Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling. |
| 02:26.11 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, the lunch bregade has definitely come and gone ;-) |
| 03:21.16 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r36746 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Added support for ARS primitive |
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| 04:07.08 | R0b0t1 | Does anyone know of an online RPN calculator? |
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| 06:05.56 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36747 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (25 files in 11 dirs): last chunk of primitives whooosh.. massive ws style indent comment consistency update. also includes some dead code elimination. should be no logic changes. |
| 06:21.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36748 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/cline/cline.c: once again, wrapping the if/else in braces so the macro semicolon doesn't cause problems. preferable so all lines syntactically are consistent (and replaceable with functions if needed). |
| 06:32.06 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36749 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/ (brep.cpp brep_debug.h): it's actually a feature that HIDDEN uncovers linker errors becaue of duplicate symbols during debug builds. there shouldn't be ambiguous named local functions that shadow global funcs. |
| 06:33.29 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36750 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep_debug.cpp: oops, a few more refs, duplicated func. |
| 06:42.08 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36751 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: and therein is the problem it uncovers, that there is identical code copied into brep_debug that shouldn't be duplicated. rename for now. |
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| 13:46.40 | d-lo | Morning all! |
| 13:51.53 | ``Erik | yargh |
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| 14:02.48 | d-lo | avast ye maties? |
| 14:06.53 | brlcad | howdy |
| 14:11.52 | d-lo | hey there brlcad! Whats new? |
| 14:40.44 | ``Erik | is curious as to why the new machine didn't come up O.o |
| 14:42.55 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36755 10/rt^3/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Finish Implementation on NetMsgFactory. Modified test to be more comprehensive. |
| 14:43.14 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36754 10/rt^3/trunk/src/iBME/: svn:ignore addition |
| 14:43.43 | d-lo | what new machine? The lil box you were talking about yesterday? |
| 14:44.30 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36752 10/rt^3/trunk/src/GS/netMsg/NetMsg.cxx: Fix a serialization bug. ByteArray being passed in wasn't being fully isolated from the local ByteArrays, thus MsgLen parameters were being calculated incorrectly. |
| 14:45.03 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36753 10/rt^3/trunk/src/iBME/ (. netMsgFactoryTest): update svn:ignore and delete binary that accidentally got added. |
| 15:14.11 | d-lo | ``Erik: what new machine? The lil box you were talking about yesterday? |
| 15:14.37 | ``Erik | no, that'll hopefully be on my step when I get home, I mean brlcad's new server to replace bz |
| 15:14.56 | brlcad | so it's just dead dead? |
| 15:15.02 | ``Erik | did an upgrade path on it that worked fine on the 4 machiens before it, exact same procedure and gotchas... that was the only one that didn't come back online |
| 15:15.04 | brlcad | you have access to the admin control panel? |
| 15:15.08 | ``Erik | no |
| 15:15.14 | brlcad | hrm |
| 15:15.21 | ``Erik | "admin control panel"? |
| 15:15.45 | brlcad | their lame web interface for rebooting the thing |
| 15:16.02 | ``Erik | well, I did a fastboot and it went down right, I'm curious as to what the console says |
| 15:16.22 | ``Erik | I imagine that if it didn't come up once, forcing a reboot through some external interface isn't going to magically fix it... |
| 15:16.31 | brlcad | might be confusing it with the web interface for the german server |
| 15:16.39 | brlcad | yeah |
| 15:17.31 | ``Erik | btw, rays going away lunch is today at greene turtle, fyi |
| 15:17.34 | brlcad | looks like 4pm? |
| 15:17.50 | ``Erik | probably around then, sounds about right |
| 15:18.26 | ``Erik | did installkernel, installworld, as much of the mergemaster that works until the bad system call (which I saw on all machines), fastboot to bring it up and finish the mergemaster, but it didn't come back up |
| 15:18.49 | ``Erik | either it's hung trying to shut down, hung trying to boot, or didn't bring up the networking right (doesn't ping) |
| 15:19.30 | ``Erik | no console server for it, right? have to put in a ticket to get them to walk up and look at it? |
| 15:32.13 | brlcad | ticket in |
| 15:32.23 | brlcad | send them the info you just posted too |
| 15:40.58 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36756 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/netMsgFactoryTest.cxx: Header typo fixed. |
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| 16:20.35 | brlcad | distcheck failure in tkhtml3, COPYRIGHT |
| 16:21.00 | starseeker | ah, right |
| 16:21.03 | starseeker | fixes |
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| 16:23.23 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36758 10/rt^3/trunk/src/iBME/: Modified svn:ignore |
| 16:23.23 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36757 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkhtml3/Makefile.in: Oops, COPYRIGHT is now COPYING |
| 16:23.54 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36759 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/netSockPortalManagerTest.cxx: Stub in a basic NetSockPortalManager test. |
| 16:25.27 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36760 10/rt^3/trunk/include/iBME/iBMECommon.h: Add failure codes related to Portal/PortalManager |
| 16:26.51 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36762 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Finished initial implementation of NetSockPortal/NetSockPortalManager |
| 16:27.16 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36761 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (39 files in 11 dirs): and that makes for the remainder whooshage of librt! ws, style, indent, cleanup. eliminate lots of dead #if0 code too. |
| 16:37.41 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36763 10/rt^3/trunk/src/iBME/ (. CMakeLists.txt): Modified svn:ignore. Added builder for geoserv (GeometryService) |
| 17:53.23 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36764 10/rt^3/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add signals for new Connection (either incoming or outgoing) |
| 18:10.18 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36765 10/rt^3/trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): WS, indentation, style. |
| 18:11.55 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36766 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/GS/GeometryService.h src/GS/GeometryService.cxx): Partial implementation on GeometryService base class. |
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| 20:00.24 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36767 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/GE/Logger.h src/GE/CMakeLists.txt src/GE/Logger.cxx): Implement basic Logger class. |
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| 20:16.21 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36768 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: ws |
| 20:17.23 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36769 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/GE/Logger.h src/GE/Logger.cxx): Flesh out Logger a bit more. |
| 20:17.33 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36770 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tk/generic/tk.h tk/generic/tkDecls.h tnt/jama_lu.h): hate modding in here, but quell some verbose warnings. shadow vars and floating point (added a NEAR_ZERO to jama) |
| 20:18.00 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36771 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: ws indent |
| 20:34.52 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36772 10/rt^3/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added inbox.size() getter. |
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| 20:45.28 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36773 10/rt^3/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Integrate Logger into various places. |
| 20:58.38 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36774 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: update tkhtml3's distcheck failure, s/COPYRIGHT/COPYING/ and must account for all files in the dist. |
| 20:59.41 | starseeker | oh, whooops - sorry |
| 20:59.56 | starseeker | forgot distcheck lives at that level in src/other |
| 21:08.22 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36775 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (arb8/arb8.c arbn/arbn.c arbn/arbn_mirror.c): quell verbose strict compilation warnings. unused vars and missing initializers. |
| 21:19.52 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36776 10/brlcad/trunk/Makefile.am: if we cd to top_srcdir, then top_srcdir/sh/cmakelists.txt isn't going to be right. fix distcheck for out-of-dir building. |
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| 21:40.54 | brlcad | out of dir distcheck fails in doc/docbook |
| 21:40.54 | brlcad | make[3]: *** [lessons/en/mged09_globe_in_display_box.html] Error 9 |
| 21:51.18 | brlcad | maybe only -jparallel distchecking, rechecking single proc |
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| 22:16.28 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36777 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/bombardier.c: ctype.h for isspace() |
| 22:27.02 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, worked with -j1 too |
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| 23:30.13 | ``Erik | <-- pokes at his new computer O.o |
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| 23:51.23 | jack2 | evening |
| 23:51.48 | jack2 | i'm just having a go at packaging brlcad for fink/macosx once again |
| 23:52.18 | brlcad | jack2: fantastic |
| 23:52.37 | brlcad | should be a lot easier than the last time it was worked on |
| 23:52.41 | jack2 | i wonder if it's possible to --enable-almost-everything and --disable specific things? |
| 23:52.47 | brlcad | yes, it is |
| 23:52.49 | jack2 | yeah, i noticed already :) |
| 23:52.57 | brlcad | --disable-all is a shorthand for that |
| 23:53.08 | jack2 | brlcad: wonderful (was afraid it's a simple OR) |
| 23:53.09 | brlcad | INSTALL lists the aliases |
| 23:53.41 | brlcad | nope, it's specifically so you can turn everything off then individual ones on, or everything on and individual off |
| 23:53.49 | jack2 | i did almost-everything minus jove now |
| 23:53.57 | jack2 | perfect if it builds :) |
| 23:54.04 | brlcad | jove will default off now if it's a recent tarball |
| 23:54.23 | brlcad | (and should be left off) |
| 23:54.23 | jack2 | 7.16.2 |
| 23:54.29 | brlcad | jove is going away |
| 23:54.31 | jack2 | latest i could see tarballed on sf |
| 23:54.35 | jack2 | ok cool :) |
| 23:54.39 | brlcad | yep, that's the latest |
| 23:55.37 | jack2 | could you polish the opengl detection to cope with our -framework OpenGL maybe? |
| 23:55.58 | jack2 | requires x11-dev to be installed otherwise, for standard libs |
| 23:57.38 | brlcad | we could, but it actually does still need x11-dev too unfortunately |
| 23:57.48 | jack2 | yeah, i noticed |
| 23:57.48 | brlcad | there are some x calls that get made in the gui editor that it links against still (even on os x) |
| 23:57.55 | jack2 | mmh |
| 23:58.21 | brlcad | getting a tk-aqua build going that just sticks to carbonland is on the todo, but nobody actively on it at the moment |
| 23:58.37 | jack2 | carbon is about to die anyway |
| 23:58.49 | jack2 | deprecated in 10.5, gone in 10.6 iirc |
| 23:59.32 | brlcad | the facilities provided by carbon are still around, the low-level hooks to the graphics subsystem |
| 23:59.42 | jack2 | yeah, sure |
| 23:59.49 | brlcad | not the portability aspect |
| 23:59.51 | jack2 | that stuff moved to CoreServices |
| 23:59.54 | brlcad | right |
| 00:00.06 | brlcad | still calls it carbon :) |
| 00:00.23 | jack2 | hehe, np |
| 00:00.44 | jack2 | wonder if i should do an x11 variant too maybe |
| 00:00.53 | brlcad | variant? |
| 00:01.03 | jack2 | yeah, 2 packages |
| 00:01.10 | jack2 | brlcad and brlcad-x11 |
| 00:01.11 | brlcad | what's the non-x11 variant? |
| 00:01.31 | jack2 | trying to use as little of x11 as possible ;) |
| 00:02.06 | brlcad | brlcad without x11 is interesting and should certainly be possible (I had a clean non-x11 build verified a couple months back) but you get little/no GUI then |
| 00:02.20 | jack2 | mmh |
| 00:02.25 | jack2 | mged, right? |
| 00:02.33 | brlcad | right, you'd get a console-only mged |
| 00:02.48 | brlcad | you'd still get mged, just command-line only |
| 00:02.49 | jack2 | ok, that's pointless indeed |
| 00:02.58 | jack2 | almost pointless at least |
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| 00:03.26 | brlcad | if you're already familiar with brl-cad, it's not pointless, but that's less than 1% of our usual users :) |
| 00:03.34 | jack2 | exactly |
| 00:03.35 | brlcad | most are new |
| 00:03.56 | brlcad | otherwise, there's a helluvalot you can do with the other 400 tools |
| 00:04.11 | jack2 | sure :) |
| 00:04.31 | jack2 | wonder if i should hide all the stuff in a private bindir... |
| 00:04.47 | jack2 | people might hate me for spamming %p/bin ;) |
| 00:05.34 | brlcad | probably a good idea ;) |
| 00:05.34 | brlcad | better yet, install the entire root to a private dir |
| 00:05.51 | jack2 | what's wrong with macosx' zlib? (why does it build an own one?) |
| 00:06.30 | brlcad | nothing should be wrong with it |
| 00:07.17 | ``Erik | for fbsd, I use system provided zlib. libpng, tk and tcl |
| 00:07.17 | brlcad | if you added --disable-all, it should force everything off |
| 00:07.30 | ``Erik | um, and jama and uhhh |
| 00:07.32 | ``Erik | other stuff :D |
| 00:07.32 | jack2 | libpng works |
| 00:07.43 | jack2 | but it builds an own zlib and tcl+tk |
| 00:08.16 | ``Erik | hm, /usr/lib/libz.dylib might be a little fruity, might need finks zlib |
| 00:08.28 | brlcad | tcl/tk make sense, os x doesn't ship an incrTcl so it has to use ours and ours requires 8.5 which is newer than the os x default |
| 00:08.31 | jack2 | we don't provide zlib anymore |
| 00:08.41 | jack2 | system one is good enough :) |
| 00:08.51 | jack2 | (normally, that is) |
| 00:09.08 | ``Erik | investigate the config.log and stuff to see why zlib fails to autodetect? |
| 00:09.24 | ``Erik | our check might be too aggressive |
| 00:09.28 | jack2 | brlcad: yup, i don't mind getting a fresh tcltk8.5 with itcl/itk of course |
| 00:09.35 | jack2 | only zlib is odd |
| 00:09.36 | brlcad | but that's still assuming you're letting it auto-detect -- you shouldn't be getting autodetection behavior if you used --disable-almost-everything |
| 00:09.48 | jack2 | ok...will check |
| 00:10.05 | brlcad | or --disable-all or whatever aliases |
| 00:10.15 | jack2 | brlcad: nope, i did --enable-a-e and --disable-jove-build |
| 00:10.18 | brlcad | should say 'no' down the summary list |
| 00:10.22 | brlcad | a-e ? |
| 00:10.27 | brlcad | all |
| 00:10.29 | jack2 | almost everything |
| 00:10.40 | ``Erik | hm, "Linux OpenRD 2.6.22.18-dirty #1 Sat Aug 29 15:18:06 IST 2009 armv5tejl armv5tejl armv5tejl GNU/Linux" |
| 00:10.42 | brlcad | enable-almost-everything forces everything to build |
| 00:10.49 | brlcad | all external dependencies |
| 00:11.08 | brlcad | you want the opposite for fink, disable everything |
| 00:11.17 | jack2 | d'oh, but why does it like my external libpng then... :) |
| 00:11.23 | brlcad | "disable our compilation of [whatever]" |
| 00:11.46 | brlcad | yeah, that's not right.. |
| 00:11.55 | jack2 | just odd |
| 00:12.16 | brlcad | sounds like a build system bug, but would need to see your config.log |
| 00:12.18 | brlcad | can you post it? |
| 00:12.23 | jack2 | i don't really mind, zlib is really small |
| 00:12.26 | jack2 | but funny |
| 00:12.40 | jack2 | brlcad: ok, hold on a sec |
| 00:13.01 | brlcad | well zlib makes more sense given you used --enable-all |
| 00:13.05 | brlcad | it's enabled |
| 00:13.11 | brlcad | they mystery is libpng |
| 00:13.26 | brlcad | or anything else that was a 'no' in the summary |
| 00:14.12 | ``Erik | the blue power ld is bright as hell, I might need to stick a piece of masking tape over it or solder a resister in there |
| 00:14.47 | jack2 | brlcad: http://85.180.98.251/config.log |
| 00:15.52 | jack2 | the CPPFLAGS are nonsense of course, ignore that -framework OpenGL |
| 00:16.57 | brlcad | 404 |
| 00:17.41 | jack2 | indeed...wtf |
| 00:17.45 | jack2 | one sec |
| 00:18.26 | ``Erik | heh, / on that site is 404, too |
| 00:19.38 | jack2 | ok, now it works |
| 00:19.41 | jack2 | sorry |
| 00:21.53 | brlcad | don't understand something, your config.log says libpng will be built |
| 00:22.05 | brlcad | everything will be built, except jove |
| 00:22.09 | brlcad | which is right |
| 00:23.23 | jack2 | hrm |
| 00:25.02 | brlcad | --enable-aquatk-build shouldn't do anything useful, and you shouldn't --enable-rtgl just yet unless you plan on coding :) |
| 00:25.25 | brlcad | it works great, but not something to spring on the fink masses just yet, few issues to work out |
| 00:27.03 | jack2 | hehe ok |
| 00:29.52 | jack2 | woop, failure |
| 00:30.04 | brlcad | orly? |
| 00:30.07 | jack2 | linking .libs/libstepeditor.19.dylib is missing some symbols |
| 00:30.18 | brlcad | o.O |
| 00:30.31 | jack2 | ld: Undefined symbols: |
| 00:30.31 | jack2 | __ZN18SDAI_DAObject_SDAIC2Ev |
| 00:30.31 | jack2 | __ZN18SDAI_DAObject_SDAID2Ev |
| 00:30.31 | jack2 | __ZTI18SDAI_DAObject_SDAI |
| 00:31.47 | brlcad | where was it in the build? |
| 00:32.07 | brlcad | in src/other/step or in src/conv/step ? |
| 00:32.37 | jack2 | other/step |
| 00:32.54 | brlcad | those SDAI_DAObject_SDAI symbols are in a diff lib |
| 00:33.31 | brlcad | so the question is, what was it linking that it'd care and was that other lib on the link line |
| 00:34.48 | jack2 | other lib? hold on, i'll lisppaste the whole link line |
| 00:35.35 | brlcad | ah.. hm, found a problem I think |
| 00:35.58 | brlcad | looks like some vars were renamed, bizarre that it wasn't caught on other mac systems |
| 00:36.23 | jack2 | http://paste.lisp.org/+1YL5 |
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| 00:38.48 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36778 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/cleditor/Makefile.am: curiously, still using the CL* vars instead of what configure.ac is providing. link failure generating resolved dylib. |
| 00:38.55 | brlcad | ahhhh.... hrm |
| 00:39.02 | brlcad | step has it's own configure.ac |
| 00:39.04 | ``Erik | heh, a lisp weenie |
| 00:39.05 | brlcad | oops |
| 00:39.16 | jack2 | brlcad: maybe that stupid libtool default sneaked in on other macs? |
| 00:39.39 | jack2 | (-Wl,-undefined,dynamic_lookup or suppress) |
| 00:40.46 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36779 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/cleditor/Makefile.am: oops, SCL has its own configure.ac, use the CL-prefixed vars (most importantly adding/keeping libdai) |
| 00:41.51 | brlcad | these other systems are stock, we re-repair the libtool script if it detects badness but the error in this case is warranted for fully resolved libs.. but I bet there will be other issues |
| 00:42.35 | brlcad | was the -all_load dumbness in the libtool script |
| 00:43.02 | jack2 | yeah, i'm glad you remove that crap yourself meanwhile :) |
| 00:44.09 | brlcad | hm, but you know I bet that's the issue.. SCL has it's own configure, it's own libtool script |
| 00:45.16 | jack2 | something not propagating right? |
| 00:45.42 | brlcad | maybe |
| 00:45.48 | jack2 | modularity isn't bad...as long as the parts know how to talk to each other ;) |
| 00:47.33 | brlcad | if you diff libtool src/other/step/libtool, what do you see? |
| 00:47.45 | brlcad | just a generated and temp_rpath line or more? |
| 00:48.41 | brlcad | regardless, the fix "should" be to edit src/other/step/Makefile.am and add ${CLDAI} \ to the LIBADD section |
| 00:49.13 | brlcad | er, src/other/step/cleditor/Makefile.am |
| 00:49.57 | brlcad | cd src/other/step/cleditor && make LIBS='${CLDAI}' might work.. :) |
| 00:50.03 | brlcad | as an alternative |
| 00:52.52 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36780 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ars/ars.c: more quellage via data validation |
| 00:58.02 | ``Erik | looks for a serial cable O.o |
| 01:07.42 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36781 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ars/ars.c: quell the rest of the ARS warnings. log shadow and unused parameter validation. |
| 01:09.24 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36782 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: quell unreachable code warnings for callers of RT_HIT_NORMAL() when either the normal is NULL or the flip flag is a constant. we squash the warnage by setting to a locally scoped temp var. |
| 01:12.48 | jack- | brlcad: ok, thx |
| 01:13.51 | brlcad | hits the road for a bit |
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| 08:48.35 | d_rossberg | i had the following problem: |
| 08:48.50 | d_rossberg | - created a (empty) group |
| 08:49.15 | d_rossberg | - selected this group (rt_gettree) |
| 08:49.47 | d_rossberg | - created a region with a solid and put it into the group |
| 08:50.49 | d_rossberg | - now rt_shootray won't find anything |
| 08:52.08 | d_rossberg | ist this behavior intended? (i.e. rt_gettree has to be called after all has been created) |
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| 11:17.28 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
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| 12:34.30 | d-lo | Mornin ``Erik |
| 12:34.39 | d-lo | get your lil puter last night? |
| 13:30.00 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36783 10/rt^3/trunk/geoserve.config: Add basic configuration file. |
| 13:30.14 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r36784 10/rt^3/trunk/ (include/GS/GeometryService.h src/GS/GeometryService.cxx): Override ::exec() from QCoreApplication to allow object level init prior to entering main event loop. |
| 13:33.49 | ``Erik | yup |
| 13:33.59 | ``Erik | pasted uname, even |
| 13:34.18 | d-lo | 'pasted uname' ? |
| 13:34.50 | ``Erik | yeah, scroll up... I lost it due to a poweroutage overnight :/ |
| 13:37.09 | d-lo | Suckage. When I got up at 0400, the wind was howling and power was flickering... but it stayed on. How long was yours out for? |
| 13:38.49 | ``Erik | long enough to sap the UPS, but I had 3 machiens on it |
| 13:39.20 | ``Erik | fortunately, I wake up at the same time every day, alarm or not :) |
| 13:40.33 | d-lo | Ditto about the alarm. Sucks on weekends though. I don't think I have slept in since High School. |
| 13:40.54 | d-lo | Now when the power went out, did the OpenRD machine get messed up? |
| 13:43.08 | ``Erik | nah, it was messed up before :D |
| 13:43.21 | d-lo | lol |
| 13:43.49 | d-lo | Messed up upon arrival, or did it get messed up by operator? ;) |
| 13:43.49 | ``Erik | rendered it unbootable before I went to sleep, uses a fruity uboot thing that isn't geared to do anything but boot linux off of the flash NAND memory |
| 13:44.18 | ``Erik | so I was trying to coerce it with a different boot command to attempt to bring up the USB subsystem and try passing control off to a drive |
| 13:44.29 | ``Erik | have to do it all via serial console to boot, fun stuff |
| 13:44.45 | d-lo | Ah, hence the serial cable search. |
| 13:44.48 | d-lo | didja find one? |
| 13:44.55 | ``Erik | might take a week or two before I coerce it into booting bsd |
| 13:45.03 | ``Erik | um, usb to the jtag faking it |
| 13:45.45 | d-lo | I have a box full o junk and I am sure I have a handful of subd-9's in there if you need one. |
| 13:46.43 | ``Erik | the usb solution works pretty well, just have to remember to force to program to go to 115200 baud, 8 bit, 1 stop bit and no flow control |
| 13:46.46 | ``Erik | dang settings |
| 13:47.19 | ``Erik | at the moment, it spools around, starts the usb subsystem, scans, looks for usb storage devices, complains about bad magic and reboots |
| 13:47.51 | d-lo | did it come with some 'software' to 'flash' it back to normal via serial? |
| 13:48.00 | ``Erik | <-- half wondering if he could stomach using linux in that role |
| 13:48.19 | ``Erik | um, there's a recovery image on the dvd, not sure what exactly it does |
| 13:49.06 | d-lo | I was just thinking that establishing the ability to restore it to 100% bootable again would be a good backup plan to have. |
| 13:49.10 | ``Erik | or how to use it o.O it's slightly bigger than I estimated, too, but still quite small |
| 13:49.22 | ``Erik | where's the adventure in that??? |
| 13:49.32 | d-lo | isnt it like 6x8x1 inches? |
| 13:49.50 | ``Erik | porbably about, I was thinking it was more like 4x6x1 for some reason |
| 13:50.04 | ``Erik | from looking at the end panel and trying to guess... shoulda looked at the numbers :) |
| 13:50.12 | d-lo | Heh, well if adventure gives me a soildstate paperwieght, I'll take safe and sound anyday :) But then again, I pinch pennies. |
| 13:51.35 | ``Erik | I haven't tried writing a new uboot image yet, trying to do this with adjusting settings, and I'm writing down the old settings as I go *shrug* |
| 13:52.51 | d-lo | how much Ram does it have 512? |
| 13:53.18 | ``Erik | yup, 512 ram, 4g NAND flash, 1.2ghz sheeva (roughly like an 800mhz p3), no fpu |
| 13:53.41 | d-lo | whoa, 4GB of NAND flash? neato. |
| 13:54.23 | ``Erik | and the dvd has all sorts of neat shit... schematics, PCB layout diagrams, ... |
| 13:54.32 | ``Erik | this ain't no dell :D |
| 13:54.54 | d-lo | I wonder if you could get windows to boot off it, lol |
| 13:55.23 | ``Erik | given that windows only supports x86 (used to support alpha, but tha went away with nt4), I'd say...... no? :) |
| 13:55.54 | d-lo | You killjoy you. |
| 13:56.15 | d-lo | What about MacOS X? Could you make a mini-mini? |
| 13:56.28 | ``Erik | nope, osX only rusn on ppc and intel |
| 13:56.31 | ``Erik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture |
| 13:57.29 | d-lo | didnt some of the older flavors of Mac OS support RISC procs? |
| 13:57.38 | ``Erik | ppc is a risc |
| 13:58.06 | ``Erik | 68k was cisc |
| 13:58.42 | ``Erik | <-- keeps entertaining the notion of buying a 68040 and building a small machine out of it, then writing an oldschool *nix os on it |
| 13:59.03 | d-lo | ...but.... why? |
| 13:59.07 | d-lo | =D |
| 13:59.19 | ``Erik | fun... and to jog my memory of the fun old days |
| 14:00.46 | d-lo | Oh, did you find any docs on power consumption? |
| 14:01.05 | ``Erik | um, didn't erally look |
| 14:01.32 | d-lo | Just curious as to what Idle->Full load power ramp up looks like. |
| 14:01.51 | ``Erik | Average power consumption is around 7.2W. Maximum power consumption measured with all 7 USB |
| 14:01.54 | ``Erik | ports, HDD and Ethernet operational is 29.9W. In idle state system draws power of |
| 14:01.57 | ``Erik | around 4.8W. |
| 14:02.34 | d-lo | 30W on 12Vdc = ~ 2.5 amps. Notbad. |
| 14:02.53 | ``Erik | I imagine a significant portion of that is the hard drive |
| 14:03.15 | d-lo | There is a HD in the lil box too??? |
| 14:03.16 | d-lo | wow |
| 14:03.27 | ``Erik | or perhaps the usb devices being used... my thumbdrive draws 200mw, where the external drive has a power supply ad draws 2mw |
| 14:03.35 | ``Erik | well, not in i t, just the flash, but it has esata |
| 14:03.57 | ``Erik | I haven't taken it apart yet, supposedly there's not enough space to fit a 2.5" drive |
| 14:04.16 | d-lo | not too familiar with eSata, actually. I take it eSata cables also provide power to the device, akin to USB? |
| 14:04.24 | ``Erik | no clue |
| 14:05.32 | d-lo | Great. Some contractors outside my window are putting in ear plugs... this can't be a good sign. :/ |
| 14:05.41 | ``Erik | looks out O.o |
| 14:05.55 | ``Erik | they have a circular saw of some kind |
| 14:06.08 | d-lo | ...and a score to settle... |
| 14:37.23 | brlcad | d_rossberg: that sounds like expected behavior |
| 14:37.35 | brlcad | you probably just need to call rt_gettree again |
| 14:37.50 | brlcad | you should be able to call it repeatedly |
| 14:38.37 | brlcad | (man librt for some additional details) |
| 14:39.00 | brlcad | gettree loads the geometry, so if it's modified, it needs to be reloaded |
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| 15:12.40 | d_rossberg | brlcad: ok, i've already changed my code, i only wanted to be sure that it's ok |
| 15:13.04 | brlcad | okay |
| 15:14.15 | jack- | ``Erik: you could even buy an old amiga3000 and put an 68060 card in |
| 15:14.28 | jack- | those were pretty fast back then ;) |
| 15:14.29 | brlcad | depending on how you created/added the new prim/region, it's probably possible to avoid the rt_gettrees again |
| 15:15.07 | brlcad | but at some point the data has to be read (whether from disk or inmem).. and that's presently gettrees job |
| 15:15.49 | d_rossberg | i used my c++ interface from rt^3 |
| 15:16.23 | d_rossberg | it is very low-level internally |
| 15:16.30 | brlcad | really wanting to get bu, bn, pkg, and rt fully cleaned up as stand-alone APIs with cleanly generating doxygen reports, so questions like this are answered more clearly |
| 15:16.35 | brlcad | yeah, I figured |
| 15:17.01 | brlcad | which is great, keeps things honest |
| 15:17.22 | brlcad | plan on hitting that section of code up next, for the GE |
| 15:17.26 | brlcad | after all this cleanup |
| 15:18.16 | brlcad | and annotations, which I'm heartily behind on :/ |
| 15:18.38 | d_rossberg | yeah, and solving the brlcadversion.h-question ;) |
| 15:18.47 | brlcad | yep! |
| 15:19.00 | brlcad | 200 message in my mailbox that *require* a response.. that's one of them :) |
| 15:19.30 | brlcad | (not all brl-cad related, of course) :) |
| 15:19.58 | brlcad | oh, right, I got through a bunch.. down to just 87 today |
| 15:22.32 | d_rossberg | i have 5 more primitives half-finished ... since April |
| 15:25.58 | brlcad | which five? |
| 15:28.00 | brlcad | and what does "half-finished" mean? they load but don't ray-trace or the API is missing or ...? |
| 15:29.17 | d_rossberg | EllipticalTorus, HyperbolicCylinder, Hyperboloid, ParabolicCylinder and Paraboloid |
| 15:29.26 | d_rossberg | i.e. the easy ones |
| 15:30.37 | d_rossberg | "half-finished" means they are programed by an intern and i hadn't time to look at them |
| 15:31.38 | d_rossberg | it is usually not so much work, however i've other preferences at the moment |
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| 00:28.36 | ``Erik | heh http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1924624 |
| 00:53.03 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:53.14 | brlcad | "wellll... we gotta get rid of the body" |
| 01:01.40 | ``Erik | these days, cellphones are KNOWN to have health risks |
| 01:02.10 | starseeker | ? |
| 01:02.57 | starseeker | getting beat up if talking loud on one in a diner? |
| 01:03.08 | ``Erik | watch the collegehumor video... :D |
| 01:03.13 | starseeker | ah |
| 01:08.30 | ``Erik | "Yeah, well, when I was in prison, we used to sneak stuff in by hiding it up our ass." "I've got some fudge hidden up my ass, you want some?" |
| 01:09.10 | starseeker | "there's an app for that" taken to new heights (or lows) |
| 01:19.19 | starseeker | ``Erik: is there a reason to keep mysql.txt in the repository? |
| 01:19.26 | starseeker | (isst) |
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| 01:38.46 | starseeker | ``Erik: isst doesn't work for mouse movement on my home box either |
| 01:38.56 | starseeker | (gentoo) |
| 01:39.04 | starseeker | gtk 2.18.3 I believe |
| 02:17.06 | starseeker | eyes libsdl... |
| 02:26.50 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36790 10/isst/trunk/mysql.txt: dead file |
| 02:27.00 | ``Erik | thought I"d killed it a long time ago, seeing it in your dir is why I thought you had an old checkout |
| 02:27.26 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 02:27.31 | starseeker | nope, just checked it out |
| 02:27.51 | starseeker | am I right that a lot of isst.c gets reused when using a different toolkit? |
| 02:28.11 | ``Erik | there should be no isst.c |
| 02:28.25 | starseeker | er isst-gtk.c |
| 02:28.59 | ``Erik | uhhhh, there's no isst-gtk.c either |
| 02:29.18 | starseeker | fine gui.c :-) |
| 02:29.20 | ``Erik | none of it should be re-used, but look at local_worker.c for the interface |
| 02:29.33 | starseeker | k |
| 02:29.37 | ``Erik | gui.c is the gtk+ mess |
| 02:30.36 | ``Erik | the big switch statement will eventually be a single function with a name passed to support a plugin system |
| 02:31.21 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:40.52 | starseeker | growl... |
| 02:53.30 | ``Erik | ? |
| 02:54.36 | starseeker | looking for a good toolkit option |
| 02:54.57 | starseeker | agar looks like the winner from the libsdl side, but it has a custom build system and the svn version doesn't compile |
| 02:55.10 | starseeker | Tk has a bunch of... funky options |
| 02:57.08 | starseeker | Qt might be an option... wonder how fast Qpixmap is |
| 02:58.28 | starseeker | we're going to use Qt someday anyhow |
| 03:09.40 | starseeker | HMMM. http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/11/10/qt3d-features-in-qt-46/ |
| 03:12.42 | ``Erik | um, qpainter2d |
| 03:12.55 | starseeker | ah |
| 03:13.01 | starseeker | you looked into it already? |
| 03:13.04 | ``Erik | jabba has a fast paint buffer for 2d games |
| 03:13.05 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 03:13.15 | starseeker | is it viable? |
| 03:13.21 | ``Erik | which? |
| 03:13.25 | starseeker | Qt |
| 03:13.35 | ``Erik | the qpainter stuff might be adequate, I dunno |
| 03:13.44 | ``Erik | the java stuff is used in 2d games, so it's up to snuff |
| 03:14.09 | ``Erik | 2d game stuff seems like the richest source for this kinda info |
| 03:15.18 | ``Erik | glTexSubImage2D might be the shizzle for portability on 3d gpu equiped machiens |
| 03:15.30 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:17.06 | starseeker | hmm. what's OpenVG I wonder... |
| 03:17.34 | ``Erik | vector graphics out of khronos? |
| 03:17.53 | starseeker | who's khronos? |
| 03:18.14 | starseeker | oh |
| 03:18.18 | starseeker | open standards group |
| 03:18.21 | ``Erik | um, iirc, a consortium glued together to make an ogl replacement that failed? |
| 03:19.07 | ``Erik | farenheit or something? |
| 03:19.52 | starseeker | opengl es? |
| 03:21.57 | starseeker | heh - cool agar dev responded on irc |
| 03:22.11 | starseeker | compiles again... |
| 03:26.44 | starseeker | ouch - that make doesn't take a -j option... |
| 03:28.32 | ``Erik | not sounding so incredibly awesome... |
| 03:28.42 | starseeker | yeah |
| 03:29.01 | starseeker | dunno why he doesn't just use autotools or some such... |
| 03:30.15 | starseeker | I'll say this for him - I didn't see much in the way of warnings during the compile |
| 03:31.09 | ``Erik | -Wnone ? :D |
| 03:31.14 | starseeker | hehe |
| 03:31.32 | starseeker | could be |
| 03:31.46 | ``Erik | wonders where he put the widget toolkit he wrote ontop of sdl O.o |
| 03:32.02 | starseeker | ah, here are some errors |
| 03:32.09 | starseeker | just early in the build when I wasn't watching |
| 03:32.10 | starseeker | k |
| 03:32.46 | starseeker | hang on, may have fed it a malformed -j option... |
| 03:36.43 | starseeker | hmm, weird |
| 03:39.06 | starseeker | almost works - only fails on first attempt after a clean svn checkout |
| 03:39.19 | starseeker | pastebins for the devs |
| 03:39.37 | starseeker | ah, well - not much chance we'd use it anyway, but I'm curious |
| 03:46.36 | Ralith | er |
| 03:46.47 | Ralith | isn't the khronos group responsible for OGL itself? |
| 03:47.32 | Ralith | (also, OpenGL ES is a portable complement to OpenGL which, afaik, is active and successful) |
| 03:47.55 | starseeker | yeah, I guess that's true enough |
| 03:48.12 | starseeker | thought ES was intended to be the next OGL, but got shot down (for now at least) |
| 03:48.45 | Ralith | nope |
| 03:48.48 | Ralith | just a trimmed down version |
| 03:49.13 | Ralith | you're probably thinking of OpenGL 3, which had lots of exciting new features that got scrapped right before the spec was finalized |
| 03:49.28 | Ralith | (although I'm told most of them made it back into the 3.2 spec, which is out, so that's not so bad) |
| 03:49.48 | starseeker | heh |
| 03:49.54 | starseeker | Ralith: how goes school? |
| 03:50.54 | ``Erik | yeh, looks like khronos does ogl now, guess to fill the void sgi left... es is 'embedded' |
| 03:51.01 | Ralith | pretty good; just yesterday finished my last major assignment |
| 03:51.07 | starseeker | sweet |
| 03:51.11 | ``Erik | grats |
| 03:51.14 | Ralith | intro CS course was predictably blarg |
| 03:51.18 | starseeker | heh |
| 03:51.24 | Ralith | the prof didn't even really know what he was talking about >.< |
| 03:51.33 | starseeker | yeah, that sucks |
| 03:51.56 | Ralith | but I remain hopeful, as my discrete math and logic & computer design courses were both very good. |
| 03:54.59 | starseeker | excellent |
| 03:55.13 | starseeker | so you feel like some Ogre+Qt hacking? ;-) |
| 03:57.44 | starseeker | feels a trifle guilty about spending time on Agar... darn curiosity... |
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| 13:19.53 | ``Erik | "are there any open source tools to deal with access .mdb files?" "rm" |
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| 13:21.42 | archivist | rm -rf as its a windows box /me ducks |
| 14:10.07 | ``Erik | frikkin' tkhtml3 (AGAIN) |
| 14:11.23 | starseeker | now what is it doing (or not doing) |
| 14:11.36 | ``Erik | ignoring CPPFLAGS |
| 14:11.55 | starseeker | kinda regrets not just doing the tkimg style hack build - that at least worked most of the time... |
| 14:12.42 | starseeker | ``Erik: that might be a Makefile.in issue? |
| 14:13.11 | ``Erik | it happens during ./configure |
| 14:13.28 | starseeker | never did get the hang of merging TEA building and automake's Makefile.am, although I suppose I should try it again... |
| 14:13.31 | starseeker | ah |
| 14:13.49 | ``Erik | ./configure CPPFLAGS=-I/some/path/include/tk8.5/ and tkhtml3's subconfigur bitches about not finding tk.h |
| 14:14.48 | ``Erik | doesn't remember if it ever worked right O.o |
| 14:14.50 | starseeker | try --with-tkinclude |
| 14:16.11 | starseeker | gets cadtools running... and watches the widgets behave funky |
| 14:16.18 | starseeker | yep, not ready for prime time |
| 14:17.00 | ``Erik | heh |
| 14:17.26 | ``Erik | tries to act surprised O:-) |
| 14:18.06 | starseeker | <snort> - it's not like I am |
| 14:18.33 | starseeker | just worth checking - it confirms that an SDL solution means writing our own local widgets as well |
| 14:19.14 | ``Erik | or figuring out how to hijack the sdl's SDL_Display shtuffz |
| 14:19.25 | ``Erik | sam's a pretty laid back guy, he might be cool with taking a patch |
| 14:19.46 | starseeker | what'd you have in mind? |
| 14:20.08 | ``Erik | no clue |
| 14:20.44 | ``Erik | iirc, when you set up a window or context in SDL, it's very oriented towards having a single window, SDL_InitVideo() or something bangs on globals and stuf |
| 14:20.48 | starseeker | kinda sounds like using another toolkit with it would entail similar issues to Ogre + Qt |
| 14:21.39 | ``Erik | oh, SDL_SetVideoMode() |
| 14:22.10 | ``Erik | hrm, SDL_SwapBuffers(); uses the global surface |
| 14:22.15 | starseeker | yeah, seeing similar stuff - the tcl-demo code shows tcl/tk controlling sdl, which is OK, simple and might work, but it's not immediately clear if it would also allow 3D manipulation controls and ray firing in SDL |
| 14:22.38 | ``Erik | didja look at local_worker.c ? |
| 14:22.48 | starseeker | glanced at it |
| 14:23.17 | starseeker | was more trying to figure out what container to put around the adrt stuff before digging into adrt |
| 14:23.38 | starseeker | s/adrt/isst |
| 14:23.42 | ``Erik | well, digging through that tiny file tells you what kinda container you're looking for :D |
| 14:23.50 | starseeker | heh |
| 14:23.59 | starseeker | fair enough |
| 14:24.11 | starseeker | also got sidtracked into reading about NURBS till about 1am |
| 14:24.14 | starseeker | (brain hurts) |
| 14:24.32 | ``Erik | ponders digging up old svgalib code and figuring out how to do an isst that way :> |
| 14:24.42 | starseeker | ew ew ew |
| 14:25.05 | starseeker | doesn't think he's heard of svgalib for years |
| 14:25.34 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/files/warp.c heh |
| 14:26.04 | starseeker | hehe |
| 14:27.43 | ``Erik | (how the hell did that even work?) |
| 14:27.56 | starseeker | black magic |
| 14:28.13 | starseeker | heads in - see ya in a bit |
| 14:28.18 | ``Erik | it's gotta be setaling shit off the stack |
| 14:28.18 | starseeker | (if you're in) |
| 14:28.26 | ``Erik | linux musta REALLY sucked to make that work |
| 14:29.16 | starseeker | makes a note to study this code and see if sdl window interactions are compatible with it... http://www.libsdl.org/projects/tcl-demo/ |
| 14:29.55 | starseeker | if so, might have some fun with mged, libsdl and adrt... |
| 15:08.56 | ``Erik | cooks up a bench run on this fpu-less ARM thingy :> |
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| 17:40.06 | ``Erik | AWESOME, negative infinity logarithmic vgr's! |
| 17:40.26 | ``Erik | Benchmark results indicate an approximate VGR performance metric of 0 |
| 17:40.26 | ``Erik | Logarithmic VGR metric is -inf (natural logarithm is -inf) |
| 17:40.32 | ``Erik | Abs OpenRD 11386.64 6382.36 6583.38 5773.79 6654.10 7956.48 Thu Dec 4 12:38:24 EST 2031 |
| 17:45.24 | ``Erik | ah |
| 17:45.25 | ``Erik | erik@OpenRD ~/src/brlcad/bench$ bc |
| 17:45.25 | ``Erik | bash: bc: command not found |
| 17:49.18 | starseeker | supposes sanity checks are in order... |
| 17:49.32 | starseeker | bc, time, other things available on any SANE system... |
| 17:50.39 | ``Erik | yeah, need to get linux off of that thing and bring up freebsd... |
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| 18:41.58 | starseeker | looks like this might have some hints for metaball->NURBS conversion: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.49.9803 |
| 18:48.40 | ``Erik | interesting |
| 18:49.31 | ``Erik | I'd have to read it more carefully to see if the representations line up the same for the initial data... their approach looks like a good fit for the blinn style surface, but mebbe not the iso one I have |
| 18:49.54 | ``Erik | spheres and saddles as the patches, wasn't even thinking of cutting the surface up like that heh |
| 18:51.46 | starseeker | might not be stricly necessary - another possible approach might be to generate control points based on the isopotential gradients... if some mapping can be found that makes sense... |
| 18:52.05 | starseeker | might be a legitimate paper in there somewhere |
| 18:52.13 | ``Erik | well, given that code now exists to find the surface between two points, ... *shrug* |
| 18:52.47 | starseeker | yeah, but when defining the NURBS curve you want to (as much as possible) match the surface curvature, not just smoothly intersect a subset of points |
| 18:52.51 | starseeker | that might be trickier |
| 18:52.53 | starseeker | not sure |
| 18:53.45 | ``Erik | approximating curvature should be reasonably straightforward with a set of nearby intersections |
| 18:53.49 | starseeker | obviously a surface tree approach and some sort of "flat isopotential within box" approach would let us get very close... |
| 18:54.42 | starseeker | yeah, there's probably some sort of mathy "combinations of radial potentials result in surface curvature of yada..." math that could/should be done... |
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| 19:00.39 | juantelez | hi all |
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| 19:01.11 | juantelez | I have a friend that want to translate the documentation to spanish, here she is |
| 19:01.22 | juantelez | hola Nohla :) |
| 19:01.34 | juantelez | esperemos a ver que dicen, jeje |
| 19:02.04 | starseeker | howdy :-) |
| 19:02.16 | juantelez | hi starseeker |
| 19:02.41 | starseeker | Nohla: hola :-) |
| 19:03.16 | starseeker | unfortunately I don't speak much spanish - I think brlcad speaks some though |
| 19:03.21 | Nohla | starseeker, hola, sabes español? |
| 19:03.34 | Nohla | ah ok |
| 19:03.35 | starseeker | Nohla: no :-( |
| 19:03.42 | juantelez | i have very little experince whit wiki, and, and I'm affraid that if i edit the documentation the english documentation will be lost and all of you will came to my house and kill me |
| 19:03.44 | juantelez | jaja |
| 19:03.51 | starseeker | hehe |
| 19:04.18 | starseeker | actually, what I would suggest is working with the docbook documentation in our tree |
| 19:04.29 | juantelez | starseeker: do you know how we can edit the doc to translate it whitout erase anything? |
| 19:04.40 | juantelez | let me see |
| 19:04.40 | starseeker | we eventually want to get to the point where that is integrated into the wiki, but we aren't there yet |
| 19:04.53 | starseeker | juantelez: do you have a copy of the brlcad source code? |
| 19:05.01 | juantelez | starseeker: no |
| 19:05.02 | starseeker | er BRL-CAD (sorry brlcad) |
| 19:05.07 | starseeker | juantelez: ah |
| 19:05.10 | starseeker | ok, that's step one |
| 19:05.32 | juantelez | but we want to translate the doc not the program itself |
| 19:05.38 | starseeker | right |
| 19:05.41 | juantelez | ok |
| 19:05.45 | starseeker | the docs are in the source tree |
| 19:05.48 | juantelez | ok |
| 19:06.00 | juantelez | let me see if I could find it and download |
| 19:06.00 | starseeker | we create a docbook file, then build html, pdf and man pages from that one source file |
| 19:06.09 | juantelez | ok |
| 19:06.09 | starseeker | simplifies maintaining things no end |
| 19:06.18 | juantelez | ok |
| 19:06.41 | starseeker | what platform are you on? (Windows, Linux, ...) |
| 19:06.57 | juantelez | GNU/Linux |
| 19:07.04 | starseeker | http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/files/BRL-CAD%20Source/7.16.2/brlcad-7.16.2.tar.gz/download |
| 19:07.08 | starseeker | latest release |
| 19:07.12 | juantelez | thanks starseeker !! |
| 19:07.15 | juantelez | Nohla: bajate eso |
| 19:07.27 | Nohla | juantelez, ya juan, lo estoy siguiendo |
| 19:07.28 | juantelez | Nohla: que el laburo heavy lo vas a hacer vos! yo soy solo el rrpp! jaja |
| 19:07.36 | Nohla | jajaja |
| 19:07.44 | juantelez | Nohla: no me cancheres porque te dejo sola, jaja |
| 19:08.01 | Nohla | juantelez, sola es cuando mas aprendo |
| 19:08.20 | starseeker | if you're not familiar with Docbook, it's an xml markup language (feels a little like html, but is much more abstract) |
| 19:09.53 | juantelez | starseeker: thanks a lot! |
| 19:09.57 | starseeker | when you expand the tarball, you will see inside the brlcad-7.16.2 directory a doc directory, and within that directory a docbook directory |
| 19:10.08 | juantelez | starseeker: i guess we will here bodering a lot! |
| 19:10.10 | juantelez | jaj |
| 19:10.54 | starseeker | the README file outlines the toplevel directories |
| 19:10.54 | Nohla | mmm, i thought it was easier |
| 19:11.21 | starseeker | the directory structure is laid out such that we can create es subdirectories just as we currently have en subdirectories |
| 19:11.21 | Nohla | juantelez, esa parte la hace vos? yo lo traduzco |
| 19:11.51 | starseeker | juantelez: if docbook is too much, you're welcome to start on whatever you care to |
| 19:11.56 | starseeker | all efforts are welcome |
| 19:12.16 | juantelez | :) |
| 19:12.26 | starseeker | if you're willing to work on the docbook level though, it will save converting the results to docbook later |
| 19:12.32 | juantelez | Nohla: bueno, dame ssh a tu maquina y te digo que traducir, jaja |
| 19:12.55 | starseeker | I recommend starting in the system/man1 directory |
| 19:13.04 | starseeker | those are manual pages, which are small and self contained |
| 19:13.14 | juantelez | starseeker: don't worry, Nohla just love to learn, so, she'll work with Docbook |
| 19:13.16 | juantelez | jaja |
| 19:13.38 | Nohla | starseeker, please, step by step |
| 19:14.00 | Nohla | and slower |
| 19:14.09 | starseeker | Nohla: you have brlcad-7.16.2.tar.gz? |
| 19:14.12 | Nohla | yes |
| 19:14.25 | starseeker | ok. run the following command: |
| 19:14.38 | starseeker | tar -xvzf brlcad-7.16.2.tar.gz |
| 19:15.06 | Nohla | done |
| 19:15.24 | starseeker | cd brlcad-7.16.2 |
| 19:15.37 | starseeker | cd doc/docbook |
| 19:15.51 | starseeker | cd system/man1 |
| 19:16.19 | starseeker | you should see a README file, a file called mged_cmd_template.xml, and a directory en |
| 19:17.30 | starseeker | for spanish documentation, we will create a directory at this level: |
| 19:17.33 | starseeker | mkdir es |
| 19:17.50 | starseeker | OK so far? |
| 19:18.40 | Nohla | ok |
| 19:19.09 | starseeker | ok. now, if you list the contents of the en directory, you will see many xml files: |
| 19:19.12 | starseeker | ls en/ |
| 19:20.00 | starseeker | these files are docbook files |
| 19:20.10 | starseeker | what editor do you prefer? (emacs, vi, etc.) |
| 19:20.53 | Nohla | vim |
| 19:21.00 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 19:21.41 | starseeker | ok, vim will work fine. If you care to investigate it later, there is an emacs tool called nxml that is useful for docbook files, but for now we will use vim |
| 19:21.58 | starseeker | so, open the first file: |
| 19:22.05 | starseeker | vim en/3ptarb.xml |
| 19:22.11 | Nohla | i have emacs, but ive neer usd it |
| 19:22.18 | Nohla | i can try if you help me |
| 19:22.24 | starseeker | no need for now |
| 19:22.43 | starseeker | it helps when doing docbook markup, but for a while you will simply be translating |
| 19:22.48 | starseeker | no markup change needed |
| 19:23.25 | Nohla | ok |
| 19:23.33 | starseeker | you have 3ptarb.xml open? |
| 19:23.45 | Nohla | yes |
| 19:24.26 | starseeker | OK. You see english sentences and paragraphs? |
| 19:24.32 | Nohla | ahá |
| 19:24.57 | starseeker | first sentence to translate is "Build an ARB8 shape by extruding a quadrilateral through a given thickness." |
| 19:25.24 | starseeker | the xml tangs inside <> brackets (like <refentrytitle>) do NOT get translated |
| 19:25.28 | starseeker | only content |
| 19:25.39 | Nohla | yes |
| 19:25.48 | starseeker | also, command and program names (3ptarb, MGED) must stay the same |
| 19:25.49 | Nohla | i saw that content |
| 19:25.55 | starseeker | good :-) |
| 19:26.12 | starseeker | so, now we quit vim and prepare to translate the file |
| 19:26.31 | starseeker | you made directory es earlier? |
| 19:26.32 | Nohla | so i should copy all de directory and trasleate just de explanations |
| 19:26.40 | starseeker | yes |
| 19:26.54 | Nohla | and let them in a diferent directory |
| 19:26.54 | starseeker | cp en/3ptarb.xml es/3ptarb.xml |
| 19:27.05 | starseeker | then edit es/3ptarb.xml |
| 19:27.12 | Nohla | wow |
| 19:27.20 | Nohla | it was easy |
| 19:27.52 | Nohla | i was near to do a lot of stupid things on wikibooks :) |
| 19:28.26 | starseeker | we would like to edit via wiki, but we must write new code for wiki engine to enable that - not done yet |
| 19:28.51 | starseeker | so, if acceptable, better to do it this way :-) |
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| 19:29.20 | Nohla | but i would like to put yhis on the web, where everyone can acces |
| 19:29.24 | Nohla | s |
| 19:29.49 | juantelez | thats the better part |
| 19:29.49 | starseeker | once you translate some files, we will build html output |
| 19:29.49 | starseeker | html can be uploaded to the wiki |
| 19:29.59 | Nohla | that was the problem that begin this idea |
| 19:30.08 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:30.28 | juantelez | the work that you are doing Nohla, doesn't work only with trnaslation, |
| 19:31.58 | Nohla | so, i`ll do the first tranlations |
| 19:32.18 | Nohla | the, how i give them to your proyect? |
| 19:32.31 | Nohla | to be offered with the download |
| 19:32.46 | juantelez | Nohla: que queres preguntar? |
| 19:32.51 | starseeker | once you have the first few done, we will check them over and add them to our source code repository |
| 19:32.52 | juantelez | Nohla: me parece que te hiciste quilobmo |
| 19:33.15 | Nohla | juantelez, el me entendio |
| 19:33.15 | starseeker | if they look good, brlcad may decide to allow you to commit directly to the sourceforge subversion repository |
| 19:33.29 | Nohla | juantelez, aprende spanglish y despues decime :) |
| 19:33.31 | juantelez | Nohla: entendes lo que estas haciendo? estas modificando el codigo de la fuente, despues compilas eso en html para que quede en la pagina |
| 19:33.52 | starseeker | initially, you can email them to the BRL-CAD email list |
| 19:33.53 | juantelez | Nohla: enntendes? |
| 19:34.00 | Nohla | juantelez, que si |
| 19:34.13 | Nohla | pero no esta en los repositorios si yo no lo mando |
| 19:34.16 | Nohla | solo en mi maquina |
| 19:34.24 | starseeker | http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=105292 |
| 19:34.46 | starseeker | brlcad-devel would be appropriate here, I believe |
| 19:35.10 | juantelez | Nohla: pero te esta diciendo, que lo mandes a la lista para que ellos lo subam o despues lo de brlcad_ y por ahi te autoriza para que hagas el commint vos directamente |
| 19:35.33 | juantelez | Nohla: fijate que tienen un par de listas de correo y foros |
| 19:35.44 | Nohla | que es el commint |
| 19:36.48 | starseeker | We manage our developent tree using subversion version control system: http://subversion.tigris.org/ |
| 19:37.48 | juantelez | Nohla: el proceso de subir lo que modificaste |
| 19:38.26 | Nohla | starseeker, stop again, step by step |
| 19:38.42 | Nohla | ill do the first, and then y return here for the following |
| 19:38.50 | starseeker | Nohla: ok. |
| 19:39.07 | Nohla | starseeker, if i do too much, ill leave it soon |
| 19:39.24 | Nohla | actually, i should be studing right now |
| 19:39.29 | starseeker | no hurry - work at your own pace |
| 19:39.29 | juantelez | jaja |
| 19:39.42 | juantelez | starseeker: where are you from? |
| 19:39.49 | starseeker | Maryland |
| 19:39.54 | starseeker | USA |
| 19:40.15 | juantelez | we are from Buenos Aires, Argentina |
| 19:40.25 | starseeker | very nice :-) |
| 19:40.44 | starseeker | thank you for your interest in BRL-CAD |
| 19:41.14 | Nohla | starseeker, thank to all you for bring BRLCAD |
| 19:41.39 | starseeker | Nohla: if you like doing translations, I will take you through next stages step by step - they are not needed yet |
| 19:41.41 | juantelez | jeje |
| 19:42.10 | juantelez | starseeker: in fact, her idea of transalate this came up as a need |
| 19:42.36 | Nohla | starseeker, ive never done translations before this |
| 19:42.40 | Nohla | :) |
| 19:42.57 | juantelez | starseeker: Nohla contributes a lot with the LUG of her Universty |
| 19:43.06 | starseeker | excellent :-) |
| 19:43.14 | juantelez | (former my university jaja) |
| 19:43.24 | Nohla | jajajja |
| 19:44.33 | juantelez | and a student from another area tell her that he want to learn to use brl-cad but the language barrer was stoping him |
| 19:45.08 | Nohla | starseeker, BRL is one (not the first) of the available software in raplace of autocad |
| 19:45.48 | Nohla | ive never seen a person who use it, and i never used it :) |
| 19:46.16 | Nohla | but a student came to an event with this problem |
| 19:46.22 | starseeker | nods |
| 19:46.32 | starseeker | yes, to use BRL-CAD you need to read the documentation |
| 19:46.41 | Nohla | he wanted to change completed to FS but he dont speak english |
| 19:47.40 | Nohla | so i offered him this work |
| 19:47.54 | starseeker | Nohla: thank you! |
| 19:47.55 | Nohla | for him and other people in his situation |
| 19:48.56 | Nohla | starseeker, there some apps or functions that autocad offer, but brl dont ? |
| 19:49.09 | starseeker | Once you are comfortable with docbook and translating, for beginners the files in doc/docbook/lessons are most important |
| 19:49.15 | Nohla | (sorry if it hard to understand me) |
| 19:49.19 | starseeker | Nohla: yes, autocad has features we do not |
| 19:49.23 | starseeker | no problem :-) |
| 19:49.36 | Nohla | starseeker, wich are them? |
| 19:49.54 | starseeker | we do not have much ability to do 2D blueprints/sketches |
| 19:50.03 | starseeker | QCAD is better for that |
| 19:50.08 | starseeker | BRL-CAD does solid modeling |
| 19:50.31 | starseeker | AutoCAD is more "polished", more user friendly |
| 19:51.48 | Nohla | so i will translate qcad :D |
| 19:52.25 | Nohla | we do not have much ability to do 2D blueprints/sketches:: starseeker, you will? |
| 19:53.03 | starseeker | someday, but it is not yet a priority |
| 19:53.18 | ``Erik | much work to be done and very few of us doing it |
| 19:53.21 | Nohla | why not? |
| 19:53.44 | starseeker | BRL-CAD is used to model three dimensional objects (like vehicles) for analysis |
| 19:54.02 | starseeker | blueprints are used more in manufacturing |
| 19:54.16 | Nohla | if you develop that skills i promise to do a good work on difussion |
| 19:54.22 | ``Erik | right now, the big pushes are for NURBS support (like Pro/E, unigraphics, rhino3d) and for an updated and modernized user interface |
| 19:54.37 | Nohla | but to the university it is necesary |
| 19:55.35 | ``Erik | have you seen http://brlcad.org/w/images/4/44/Industry_Diagram.pdf ? |
| 19:56.54 | starseeker | Nohla: we would love for someone in the BRL-CAD open source community to develop support for blueprint outputs, but until we have the available resources to devote to it we can't do them well yet |
| 19:57.09 | starseeker | Nohla: there IS rtedge, though: |
| 19:58.09 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/havoc_rtedge.png.html |
| 19:59.21 | Nohla | wow |
| 20:00.43 | starseeker | we don't have all of the standard "blueprint" boxes and labels, but those can be created with (say) inkscape using an rtedge render as a starting point |
| 20:01.43 | starseeker | so 1. create 3D model in BRL-CAD 2. render hidden line wireframe with rtedge 3. import into inkscape and add necessary blueprint additions |
| 20:02.33 | Nohla | starseeker, you should now that i dont kwon how to use brl, and even the think its good to now for beginners |
| 20:03.02 | Nohla | there will be a lot of thing you will say that ill lose in the middle :) |
| 20:03.08 | starseeker | It's OK |
| 20:03.35 | starseeker | short version - you can do blueprint-like outputs, but not simple or feature-rich |
| 20:04.05 | Nohla | the one i know is that the FS have a piece of software on demand |
| 20:04.29 | Nohla | and im trying to do something to make one option more knowed |
| 20:04.33 | Nohla | just that |
| 20:04.42 | starseeker | thank you :-) |
| 20:05.38 | starseeker | Once you have translated a couple of files, please send them to brlcad-devel email list |
| 20:05.52 | starseeker | very exciting |
| 20:07.00 | starseeker | ``Erik: by the way, how does gettext play with Windows? |
| 20:07.36 | ``Erik | uhhhh, I d'no? I imagine it exists in cygwin? |
| 20:07.42 | starseeker | winces |
| 20:07.46 | ``Erik | windows are those things I look through when I want to see outside, dude |
| 20:07.52 | starseeker | hehe |
| 20:08.42 | juantelez | haha |
| 20:09.22 | starseeker | notes that his Mac doesn't have ANY of the posix locale variables set... |
| 20:09.51 | ``Erik | LC_ALL=en_BEAVIS_AND_BUTTHEAD |
| 20:10.38 | starseeker | ``Erik: hmm, some rather interesting possibilities there (and by interesting I mean disturbing) |
| 20:10.47 | brlcad | wooh, lotsa backlog |
| 20:10.50 | ``Erik | (amusingly, all the programs I've gettextized only managed to get a handful of en_ ones and pt_BR) |
| 20:11.19 | starseeker | juantelez, Nohla: I believe brlcad speaks some Spanish |
| 20:12.06 | Nohla | :) |
| 20:12.07 | ``Erik | starseeker: I've written beavis&butthead and redneck po files ... after seeing some sysadmin utility that had a flag to turn on b&b style messages... :) |
| 20:12.37 | ``Erik | (as for backlog, that'll teach brlcad to sleep.) |
| 20:12.49 | brlcad | ``Erik: presume that's like the old windows starfield screensaver? |
| 20:13.01 | ``Erik | brlcad: warp.c is, yes |
| 20:14.32 | brlcad | starseeker: heh, isst used to be hooked up to agar |
| 20:14.40 | brlcad | clanlib ftw! |
| 20:14.55 | Nohla | starseeker, what is on wikipedia brl is the same that is in /es ? |
| 20:15.01 | ``Erik | tried to write a worms armageddon clone with clanlib, didn't like it |
| 20:15.06 | Nohla | with different format |
| 20:15.26 | starseeker | Nohla: er, en you mean? |
| 20:15.32 | Nohla | or on the wiki, the explanation is clearer? |
| 20:15.40 | starseeker | BRL-CAD wiki content is probably older |
| 20:16.01 | starseeker | but more complete |
| 20:16.13 | starseeker | (docbook conversion is not complete in english either) |
| 20:16.45 | starseeker | but once you are comfortable with translating, definitely suggest working on lessons |
| 20:17.01 | starseeker | hundreds of pages of content there, most useful for beginners |
| 20:17.02 | Nohla | because, i was thinking that maybe, you souhld tell wich contents are completed and actualized |
| 20:17.09 | Nohla | to beginr with them |
| 20:17.38 | starseeker | doc/docbook/lessons is essentially complete |
| 20:18.30 | starseeker | content of lessons is from this document: http://brlcad.org/w/images/c/cf/Introduction_to_MGED.pdf |
| 20:18.35 | brlcad | and interesting about the bench.. it has checks in there for making sure it exists first |
| 20:18.49 | brlcad | should fall back to dc or other methods |
| 20:19.01 | starseeker | Nohla: that pdf is always first place for new users who speak english to go |
| 20:19.28 | starseeker | so its contents in doc/docbook/lessons are logical first translation, if not overwhelming |
| 20:19.32 | ``Erik | dc isn't on the box, either... silly embedded systems, not installing all those fancy tools |
| 20:20.02 | ``Erik | btclsh? expr ? :D |
| 20:20.20 | brlcad | hola Nohla y juantelez |
| 20:20.45 | Nohla | holas |
| 20:21.01 | Nohla | starseeker, this are the same pdf on wiki? |
| 20:21.22 | starseeker | same content as pdf on wiki, yes |
| 20:21.34 | Nohla | (sorry, i dont want to lose to much time looking for the best to transleate than translating) |
| 20:22.36 | starseeker | you want documentation for a new BRL-CAD user, correct? |
| 20:22.44 | brlcad | is still backlogging |
| 20:23.33 | Nohla | starseeker, give two things: 1) the best content to translate firs. 2) one advice about translating that |
| 20:24.16 | Nohla | so if i leave the proyect at tha first step, at least ive done something usefull :) |
| 20:24.21 | starseeker | Nohla: if there is no concern about amount of content, the lessons are best for new users |
| 20:24.30 | Nohla | every day i find new interesting things to do :) |
| 20:24.39 | starseeker | Nohla: any translation is useful |
| 20:25.16 | starseeker | for the request you had, lessons would help him the most |
| 20:25.52 | Nohla | http://brlcad.org/w/images/c/cf/Introduction_to_MGED.pdf this is for beginers? |
| 20:26.04 | starseeker | yes |
| 20:27.34 | Nohla | but imagine that you are a spanish speaking person and start reading that tuto |
| 20:28.03 | Nohla | read the firs you found and then you realise that there no more contents on spanish |
| 20:28.12 | Nohla | thats sad :( |
| 20:29.33 | Nohla | or worst, dont read anything because you saw that theres no all the content in your langage |
| 20:30.01 | Nohla | starseeker, question: the firs you gave me is the source code, really? |
| 20:30.29 | Nohla | that means that if you tipe for spanish help on console, you will read that? |
| 20:30.57 | Nohla | or if youre using brl and an advice is shown, that can be available on spanish? |
| 20:31.07 | Nohla | (sorry if the question is too stupid) |
| 20:33.52 | Nohla | (wow if i can translate 287 pages, i would be pride of myself! jejeje) |
| 20:35.55 | starseeker | Nohla: the various documentation and help systems in BRL-CAD do not have a unified design |
| 20:36.09 | starseeker | we are working on correcting that, and docbook will be the eventual solution |
| 20:37.02 | starseeker | but a FULL translation of all help strings in BRL-CAD would involve many changes in many places |
| 20:37.33 | Nohla | starseeker, i want to give you my mail for you to send me some information that you belive its usefull to translate |
| 20:37.56 | Nohla | im getting confused about wichi path to take because there is a lot of options |
| 20:38.13 | starseeker | my suggestion is doc/docbook/lessons |
| 20:38.21 | Nohla | and i dont know enough to choose correctly |
| 20:38.39 | Nohla | and what about pdf you sent me? |
| 20:38.42 | starseeker | without those, it is hard to use BRL-CAD at all and other translations are much less useful |
| 20:38.47 | starseeker | pdf has same content |
| 20:39.19 | Nohla | so if i do lesson, then you can drop that content on pdf |
| 20:39.20 | starseeker | doc/docbook/lessons contains the contents of that pdf |
| 20:39.24 | starseeker | yes |
| 20:39.35 | starseeker | we build the lessons as individual files |
| 20:39.58 | starseeker | so if you translate mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml we can make a pdf from that |
| 20:40.02 | starseeker | and html |
| 20:40.55 | brlcad | Nohla: podemos darte permiso a hacer 'commits' al repository si estas "active" con los traducciones |
| 20:41.08 | Nohla | but, at the same kind of thinking, if i translate the pdf, you can take what you need to drop that on lesson XD |
| 20:41.15 | Nohla | this is funny |
| 20:41.36 | starseeker | brlcad: help |
| 20:41.43 | starseeker | I'm not making myself clear |
| 20:41.44 | Nohla | brlcad, ive never translate anything before |
| 20:42.07 | brlcad | juantelez: thanks for helping be the intermediate translator :) |
| 20:42.14 | Nohla | starseeker, nono, im joking :) |
| 20:42.25 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 20:43.29 | Nohla | starseeker, anyway, my email is giudicejesica@gnutn.org.ar in case you want to guide this work in the foreward step :) |
| 20:43.38 | starseeker | thank you :-) |
| 20:43.59 | starseeker | I suggest doing a spanish translation of mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 20:44.25 | starseeker | email that to brlcad-devel, and from there we will take the next steps |
| 20:45.55 | Nohla | so i should translate all te words in white ;) |
| 20:48.31 | starseeker | depends on what vim syntax highlighting you have on ;-) |
| 20:48.48 | juantelez | brlcad: :D, my pleassure |
| 20:59.02 | ``Erik | dons his dunce cap. *sigh* |
| 20:59.08 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36791 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: set project id on local load (fixes ignored motion events) |
| 21:09.39 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36792 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: restore perspective rendering when leaving shotline mode |
| 21:31.42 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36793 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: shelling |
| 21:59.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36794 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: save a shotline |
| 22:14.12 | brlcad | okay, all caught up with the backlog... |
| 22:15.21 | brlcad | Nohla: si te puedes quedar en IRC, me gustaria ayudarte a empezar |
| 22:16.16 | Nohla | brlcad, estoy |
| 22:16.24 | Nohla | pero la verdad que vengo mas o menos bien |
| 22:16.34 | Nohla | perdon |
| 22:16.45 | Nohla | actually, im doing right |
| 22:17.50 | Nohla | but i need time because i have to study |
| 22:18.25 | Nohla | i pay an exam on monday |
| 22:21.33 | Nohla | i like translate this more than study :P |
| 22:29.14 | brlcad | Nohla: jeje, que bien |
| 22:31.15 | brlcad | pues, lo que starseeker dijo eåaa cierto .. empezando con los lecciones ayuda mucho, tambien puedes empezar con el introduccion aqui http://brlcad.org/d/about |
| 22:31.28 | brlcad | yeesh, my unicode isn't working right.. |
| 22:42.25 | Nohla | starseeker, send me an email to keep in touch |
| 22:43.08 | Nohla | anyway, at the end of the first translate ill send the file by your list |
| 22:43.29 | Nohla | if you have restriction about that, please moderate my message |
| 22:43.57 | brlcad | restriction? |
| 22:45.14 | Nohla | about de size of the file |
| 22:45.34 | Nohla | i have a list with that restriction |
| 22:45.47 | brlcad | no hay restriction, pero si tienes que ser suscrito a la lista para enviar un mensaje |
| 22:46.23 | brlcad | https://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/lists |
| 22:46.44 | Nohla | well, in this list, if you are not subscripted and send a message, me or juantelez have to accep it before |
| 22:47.06 | brlcad | ah, pues ours will just reject it ;) |
| 22:47.22 | brlcad | con instrucciones a subscribe |
| 22:47.35 | brlcad | (automaticamente) |
| 22:47.40 | Nohla | noo |
| 22:47.45 | Nohla | thats bad |
| 22:47.49 | Nohla | :P |
| 22:48.58 | Nohla | i was talking about a email list, not a sourceforge list ;) |
| 22:49.21 | brlcad | subscribing is pretty easy, if people aren't willing to do that to engage in a discussion, it's not usually a productive discussion |
| 22:49.32 | brlcad | sourceforge lists are email lists |
| 22:49.37 | brlcad | mailman |
| 22:50.10 | Nohla | aha, i see |
| 22:51.24 | Nohla | I dont know to much of all resources on internet |
| 22:51.41 | brlcad | our lists used to be moderated, but 99% of the moderations were spam and a waste of time to have to reject/ignore daily |
| 22:51.45 | Nohla | well, i dont know too much of anything :) |
| 22:51.52 | Nohla | even english :D |
| 22:51.53 | brlcad | Nohla: you're english is pretty good :) |
| 22:52.17 | brlcad | more than good enough to communicate usefully |
| 22:52.24 | Nohla | well, thanks |
| 22:53.08 | Nohla | im leaving, i have to live my life sometimes :P |
| 22:53.14 | brlcad | ``Erik: the shelling bug is pretty blatent :) |
| 22:53.36 | Nohla | from time to time, I remember I have a family |
| 22:53.51 | brlcad | ``Erik: setting the in/out hit distances wrong .. you're making a 1mm shell |
| 22:54.03 | brlcad | Nohla: jaja |
| 22:54.11 | brlcad | pues esta bien |
| 22:54.13 | brlcad | gracies |
| 22:54.17 | brlcad | er, gracias! |
| 22:54.20 | Nohla | :) |
| 22:54.36 | Nohla | saludos! y buen fin de semana para todos |
| 22:54.40 | brlcad | siempre estamos aqui |
| 22:54.46 | brlcad | ciao |
| 22:55.00 | brlcad | igualmente |
| 23:09.34 | ``Erik | brlcad; pretty sure something in my stepping function si getting flipped somewhere to cause that... |
| 23:09.46 | ``Erik | probably that stat variable |
| 23:11.42 | brlcad | regardless of the stepping, you're setting in to out+1 |
| 23:11.52 | brlcad | or out to in+1 |
| 23:11.54 | brlcad | which can't be right |
| 23:11.57 | ``Erik | oh, hrm |
| 23:12.14 | ``Erik | um, thought I set something like that to get off the surface to start the walk again |
| 23:12.31 | brlcad | you don't set in/outs anywhere else |
| 23:12.43 | brlcad | so you end up with 1mm shells being reported back |
| 23:13.27 | ``Erik | will have to look into it... next week O.o |
| 23:13.40 | brlcad | should back out the ray outside the metaball bounding box too, count all surface hits, then clamp to the ray origin |
| 23:13.58 | brlcad | that should take care of it |
| 23:27.36 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36795 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: iteration task fail. 64-bit and annotation are incomplete. move them down. also add deprecation of the dbfind command. |
| 23:32.25 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36796 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: new configure option for strict build compilation. this flag, enabled by default, causes the core libraries to consider all compilation warnings as errors and can report C standard compliance failures. |
| 23:53.22 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36797 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: vdeck command truncates the region names in the 'regions' file |
| 00:33.22 | *** join/#brlcad R0b0t1 (n=Enigma@unaffiliated/r0b0t1) | |
| 00:45.32 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36798 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS TODO): okay, one item to hit before the release.. the dang EDITOR bug needs to get fixed where mged invokes the editor without a controlling terminal. |
| 01:16.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36799 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 01:16.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: dwayne reports an mged bug where it crashes if you attempt a pick-edit primitive |
| 01:16.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: after drawing an object and doing a killall on one of the contained primitives. |
| 01:16.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: confirmed problem and got a backtrace. null pointer deref in db_dirhash(). |
| 01:16.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: looking further. |
| 01:48.02 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36800 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_lookup.c: ws indent style comment consistency cleanup |
| 01:54.11 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36801 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_lookup.c: encountered a crash in db_dirhash() with a NULL str string, make sure it's not null before attempting to dereference. |
| 02:04.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36802 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/tree.c: reorder functions to eliminate forward declarations, prefix the hidden static functions with _rt_ to not confuse them with public api. |
| 02:12.41 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36803 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/tree.c: quell verbose compilation warnings, unused params, param checks, dead code |
| 02:56.48 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36804 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/tree.c: only all db_dirhash() if name is non-null just to be safe. (cascading up from an rt_free_rti() crash in mged during pick-edit prim) |
| 02:57.55 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36805 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_tree.c: ws style comment indent cleanup, prefix hidden static funcs as _db_ to not confuse them with public API. |
| 03:03.37 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36806 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_tree.c: more comment cleanup, eliminate dead code |
| 03:17.01 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36807 10/brlcad/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): let the compiler do it's job. remove the register keyword (public api declarations being the more important to remove) |
| 04:09.50 | *** join/#brlcad guillermina (n=guillerm@189-104-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) | |
| 04:15.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36808 10/brlcad/trunk/ (BUGS NEWS): (log message trimmed) |
| 04:15.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: the changes applied to more carefully call db_dirhash() during |
| 04:15.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: rt_free_rti/rt_clean/db_free_tree/rt_free_soltab fix the crash reported by |
| 04:15.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: dwayne kregel whereby mged would fault on a null pointer dereference after doing |
| 04:15.32 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: a killall on some primitive and then attempting a Pick Edit-Primitive operation. |
| 04:15.34 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: not convinced the rtip region reference (and the subsequent soltab entry it was |
| 04:15.36 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: crashing on) doesn't have some other book-keeping problem given the ordinary |
| 04:39.44 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36809 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/mappedfile.c: oops, r36519 removed the if(debug) covering this bu_log(). restore so we don't keep seeing bu_open_mapped_file() spammage. |
| 04:55.04 | brlcad | AHA ... Bob caused the EDITOR bug! |
| 04:55.53 | brlcad | libged refactoring, he ripped out the DM tests that were being used to check whether to invoke within an xterm or now |
| 04:55.57 | brlcad | *not |
| 04:56.45 | brlcad | apparently broke back in may 2008 |
| 04:57.12 | brlcad | attempts to conjure up a fix that doesn't tie libged to libdm |
| 04:57.23 | brlcad | *must* |
| 05:02.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36810 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 05:02.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: found the cause of the EDITOR bug. libged refactoring removed the libdm logic, |
| 05:02.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: which ripped out the code needed to invoke editors from within an xterm. have |
| 05:02.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: to rethink how to do this since we obviously shouldn't tie libged to libdm but |
| 05:02.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: need to propagate a 'need to invoke from within xterm' somehow |
| 05:28.10 | starseeker | wondered if that might be libged related |
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| 14:01.12 | ``Erik | thinks he has enough to tftp boot arm fbsd on this thingie |
| 15:10.59 | Ralith | this thingie? |
| 15:53.24 | ``Erik | openrd-client, an arm based low power embedded system |
| 15:56.38 | ``Erik | throwin' snowballs at my cats, I'm so horrible |
| 15:58.08 | starseeker | yeah, snowing here too |
| 15:58.12 | ``Erik | um |
| 15:58.13 | ``Erik | dude |
| 15:58.19 | ``Erik | you're like a 5 minute drive away from me |
| 15:58.20 | ``Erik | ... |
| 15:58.25 | starseeker | ah, that's right |
| 15:58.51 | starseeker | recoveres trash can before it fills up... |
| 15:58.53 | ``Erik | <-- was all nervous driving back from the frrst hill vet, on the corne rby the post office |
| 15:59.15 | starseeker | are the cats attacking the snowballs? |
| 15:59.16 | ``Erik | btw, you drive by both a vet and a fancy petstore |
| 15:59.23 | ``Erik | I scooped some snow off my back deck |
| 15:59.26 | starseeker | ah, excellent |
| 15:59.48 | ``Erik | um, 24 and 23, if you drive north one block, turn left onto jarretsville road, the very first right (on the corner) is the vet |
| 16:00.17 | ``Erik | off of 23, just before the 1 junction, behind the wendies, is a fancy pet supply store, lots of like organic catfood and shit |
| 16:01.03 | starseeker | cool |
| 16:01.17 | starseeker | yeah, ours has one particular brand that she eats and nothing else |
| 16:01.18 | ``Erik | http://local.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.585266,-76.388688&spn=0.001089,0.003275&z=19 is th evet, dr saad |
| 16:01.52 | ``Erik | http://local.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.56895,-76.356206&spn=0.00109,0.003275&z=19 catfood store, entrance on granary, it's tricky |
| 16:02.03 | ``Erik | if'n ya'll want, I'll show ya some day |
| 16:02.15 | starseeker | cool, thanks - that might be useful |
| 16:02.38 | ``Erik | doubts he woulda mentioned if it he didn't think it would be... |
| 16:02.54 | ``Erik | and in my old age, I have a sharp eye for useful vs useless... thus the dismissal of agar... :D |
| 16:03.01 | starseeker | hehe |
| 16:03.06 | starseeker | yeah, yeah - rub it in |
| 16:03.26 | ``Erik | well, shit |
| 16:03.29 | starseeker | just woke up, not up to speed yet |
| 16:03.37 | ``Erik | "yeah, uh, right... doub thtat's going anywhere" ... a week later "uh, it iddn't go anywhere" |
| 16:03.46 | ``Erik | <-- looks for his "I told you so" coupon book |
| 16:04.06 | ``Erik | O:-) srry, I'll behave |
| 16:04.17 | starseeker | it COULD go somewhere, but effort vs. need just doesn't cut it for us |
| 16:04.46 | ``Erik | this is fucktarded, this crt has the signal light lit, but isn't displaying anything... if something sleeps on it, it's gone... have to reboot for a resync signal |
| 16:04.50 | ``Erik | need to buy an lcd I guess :/ |
| 16:05.10 | starseeker | poor you |
| 16:05.30 | ``Erik | well, I have to reboot this archaic machine with this halfassed windows 2000 disk image |
| 16:05.38 | starseeker | oh, that one |
| 16:05.38 | ``Erik | so I can get 'putty' running in serial mode |
| 16:05.43 | ``Erik | so I can get a console on my new arm machine |
| 16:05.44 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 16:05.52 | starseeker | so it's kinda a pearls/swine sorta thing? |
| 16:05.58 | ``Erik | if I leave it long enough to sleep the display, I have to start all over |
| 16:06.11 | ``Erik | and it's a long twisty ugly path |
| 16:06.11 | starseeker | yeah, that's suckage |
| 16:06.14 | ``Erik | full of grues. |
| 16:06.27 | ``Erik | WTFF |
| 16:06.50 | starseeker | doesn't recall - does your kitten get eaten by the grue too? 'cause it's getting spooky if it does |
| 16:06.52 | ``Erik | reboot didn't click the display |
| 16:07.20 | ``Erik | lamest wyse term evar. |
| 16:07.43 | ``Erik | effin' fbsd doesn't seem to click on cu or tip... :/ says it does, btu no noist |
| 16:07.45 | ``Erik | nosie |
| 16:07.49 | ``Erik | bah! |
| 16:08.26 | ``Erik | and that r/c car battery has been charing for an hour on a 10 minute charger, glad it didn't turn into a fireball while I was gone |
| 16:09.02 | ``Erik | the bottom is quite hot |
| 16:09.55 | ``Erik | I've decided that these team losi micro thingies are good cat toys |
| 16:14.07 | starseeker | hehe |
| 16:14.19 | starseeker | (sorry, I'll be in and out her) |
| 16:14.21 | starseeker | here |
| 16:14.42 | starseeker | do your cats have a preference for fuzzy, shiny, or loud toys? |
| 16:14.50 | starseeker | (ours goes shiny every time) |
| 16:21.19 | starseeker | hmm... there could be a problem here with christmas decorations and a cat who likes shiny... |
| 16:23.11 | ``Erik | shiny is a bonus, fuzzy is ok |
| 16:23.35 | ``Erik | part of the foil wrapper from some guitar strings is an awesome toy, a dried out energizer battery is good fun downstairs |
| 16:23.55 | ``Erik | the boy carries the fuzzy fishing pole around all the time |
| 16:23.57 | ``Erik | when I play guitar, the girl goes psycho over my computer chair |
| 16:26.28 | ``Erik | rubs hsi face |
| 16:28.47 | ``Erik | bwahahhaa, I just sprinted down the hall, kitten was at the base of the stairs, ran back and into the bathroom, scared teh snot out of her O:-) |
| 16:28.50 | ``Erik | poor cats |
| 16:35.55 | starseeker | whoops |
| 16:36.08 | starseeker | I think it's on page 3 of the cat manual - don't run over |
| 16:36.46 | starseeker | have yours discovered the joy of batting pens around? |
| 16:39.41 | ``Erik | yes |
| 16:39.54 | ``Erik | but they've also felt the brutal defeat of my computer chair |
| 16:40.07 | ``Erik | clockwise clockwise clockwise clockwise counterclockwise. |
| 16:40.10 | ``Erik | freaked out cat |
| 16:40.18 | Nohla | starseeker: such a sweet nickname! :) |
| 16:41.24 | ``Erik | home teacup ride for cats |
| 16:41.25 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 16:45.00 | ``Erik | mails nohla some snow O.o |
| 16:57.40 | ``Erik | I htink the cats are more scared of the tiny r/c car than anything else |
| 16:58.55 | starseeker | hehe - robocat |
| 16:59.23 | starseeker | ``Erik: make sure you're nice to them some time or you'll have two seriously messed up cats ;-) |
| 17:00.27 | starseeker | updates and compiles BRL-CAD... this machine feels slower all the time... |
| 17:00.44 | starseeker | oh, forgot to sync stable |
| 17:00.50 | starseeker | does that... |
| 17:01.05 | ``Erik | I'm nice to them lots |
| 17:01.46 | starseeker | do you think either of them are potential roomba cowboys (or girls, as the case may be)? |
| 17:02.06 | ``Erik | no, they seemed terrified of the car |
| 17:02.31 | ``Erik | horrible decision of "do I flee or attack" |
| 17:05.24 | starseeker | ``Erik: what's the fastest computer they can pack into a wrist watch these days? |
| 17:05.53 | starseeker | figures when a watch PC gets more powerful than this machine, it's time to think about upgrading |
| 17:19.27 | starseeker | ummm |
| 17:19.44 | starseeker | svn merge https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk@$PREV https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk@HEAD . |
| 17:19.48 | starseeker | svn: 'https://brlcad.svn.sf.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/branches/STABLE' isn't in the same repository as 'https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad' |
| 17:20.57 | starseeker | cute - apparently svn doesn't cue in on sf and sourceforge being identical |
| 17:30.03 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36811 10/brlcad/trunk/HACKING: Stick a note into HACKING about needing to watch sf vs sourceforge in merging situations. |
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| 19:33.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36812 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/ (232 files in 66 dirs): sync with trunk to r36810 |
| 19:38.32 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36813 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/ (376 files in 92 dirs): sync STABLE to trunk r36810 |
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| 20:21.19 | ``Erik | ghah |
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| 20:27.18 | __monty__ | Is this the right place to ask about getting BRL-CAD to work? |
| 20:27.37 | ``Erik | possibly |
| 20:27.42 | ``Erik | what's the issue? |
| 20:28.57 | __monty__ | When I try running mged I get an error: bash: /usr/brlcad/rel-7.12.2/bin/mged: Bad CPU type in executable |
| 20:29.16 | ``Erik | so you downloaded a binar package instead of compiling it? |
| 20:29.26 | __monty__ | yes |
| 20:29.37 | ``Erik | that tells me that you downloaded the package for a machine you do not have |
| 20:30.03 | ``Erik | like trying to use the PPC mac version on an intel mac |
| 20:30.22 | __monty__ | Do you know where I can find the right ppc mac version(g5) then? |
| 20:30.37 | ``Erik | ah, g5 mac? |
| 20:30.41 | __monty__ | yes. |
| 20:30.41 | ``Erik | do you have xcode? |
| 20:30.45 | __monty__ | fes |
| 20:30.50 | __monty__ | *yes |
| 20:30.58 | ``Erik | if you care to spend 20 minutes, I would recommend getting the source and compiling it |
| 20:31.11 | ``Erik | (most of the mac using devs have gone to the intel series...) |
| 20:31.21 | ``Erik | <-- pets his core duo macbook O:-) |
| 20:31.46 | __monty__ | I'm not very proficient with compiling though. |
| 20:31.49 | ``Erik | you need X11.app to run BRL-CAD, too |
| 20:31.56 | ``Erik | um, it's "./configure && make instal" |
| 20:32.03 | ``Erik | u"./configure && make install" |
| 20:32.20 | __monty__ | with xcode? |
| 20:32.31 | ``Erik | no, using a terminal.app windo |
| 20:32.50 | __monty__ | Then why did you ask if I had xcode? |
| 20:33.06 | ``Erik | just make sure you have both X11.app and Xcode installed, crank up an xterm or terminal.app and do the configure&&make cycle |
| 20:33.14 | ``Erik | because xcode installs gcc, you need gcc |
| 20:33.57 | __monty__ | So gcc isn't installed by default? |
| 20:34.00 | ``Erik | the gui for xcode is irrelevant, it's the other stuff it installs |
| 20:34.00 | ``Erik | no |
| 20:34.07 | ``Erik | a mac out of the box does not have gcc |
| 20:34.20 | ``Erik | part of the 'xcode' package :/ |
| 20:34.46 | __monty__ | Is the xquartz 2.4.0 version of x11 good? |
| 20:34.52 | ``Erik | sure |
| 20:34.55 | ``Erik | should be |
| 20:35.32 | ``Erik | <-- using an xquartz himself, doesn't know which version |
| 20:35.53 | __monty__ | Should I just get the latest source? |
| 20:35.59 | ``Erik | I'd say so |
| 20:36.25 | ``Erik | after you run ./configure, look at the options to mkae sure it looks ok |
| 20:36.35 | __monty__ | From sourceforge or via some kind of version control? |
| 20:36.47 | ``Erik | you want the X11 capability enabled, you don't care about opengl, um, tcl/tk should be built |
| 20:36.53 | ``Erik | just the tarball from sf |
| 20:37.01 | ``Erik | occasionally the svn version gets broken |
| 20:37.38 | ``Erik | if you're not comfortable with gcc and all that, the release source tarball is safest |
| 20:38.03 | __monty__ | Ok, thanks for helping me by the way. |
| 20:38.09 | ``Erik | is assuming you "Just want it to work" |
| 20:38.37 | ``Erik | and I'm a unix guy,not a mac guy, so'z that's the path to 'success' I'm trying to drag ya down... :) |
| 20:38.48 | ``Erik | no problem, sorry for making ya install shit ya might not wanna O:-) |
| 20:39.14 | __monty__ | likes all kinds of shit. |
| 20:39.55 | ``Erik | well, shoot, before I went to the vet, I shoulda used a fedex box insteado fthe toilet then O:-) *duck* :D |
| 20:41.39 | __monty__ | Btw I'm a supporter of UNIX, mac os is just my favorite gateway to it. |
| 20:45.56 | ``Erik | okie, welcome to the club :D |
| 20:46.46 | ``Erik | yeh, osX out of the box lacks X11 support and a compiler... X11.app gives you the X11 support plus all the headers, Xcode gives you a compiler and a slew of other dev tools |
| 20:47.24 | ``Erik | joe shmoe who buys a mac doesn't have a clue what an 'X11' or a compiler are, so the default install isn't "burdened" |
| 20:48.04 | ``Erik | we're compile friendly on a stock mac with X11 and gcc, we're even autoreconf friendly there... |
| 20:48.18 | ``Erik | expect a late 80's unix style gui... :D |
| 20:48.37 | ``Erik | but ~400 cmd line tools |
| 20:49.22 | __monty__ | Have you even used everyone of em? |
| 20:49.39 | ``Erik | does not parse... huh? |
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| 20:50.13 | __monty__ | ? |
| 20:50.32 | ``Erik | "everyone of em"? whu? |
| 20:50.52 | __monty__ | Every one of those ~400. |
| 20:51.05 | ``Erik | ahhh, oh hell no |
| 20:51.09 | ``Erik | but a couple dozen, tons |
| 20:51.15 | ``Erik | I almost never fire up the gui |
| 20:52.01 | ``Erik | and the other paid guys hear me bitching up a storm every time I have to run the gui |
| 20:52.15 | __monty__ | Who needs a GUI anyway, right? |
| 20:53.10 | ``Erik | indeed :) once you get things installed, if you feel masochistic... my avenue is to run "mged -c" instead of "mged" |
| 20:53.49 | ``Erik | but I'm odd, my big adventure this weekend is getting a new arm machine to boot freebsd when the only usable interface to uboot is via serial |
| 20:53.57 | ``Erik | this'll be a fun weekend :D |
| 20:54.25 | ``Erik | (openrd-client if you're curious, got it in fedex shipment a fewd ays ago) |
| 20:55.51 | __monty__ | I don't really have a clue of what a herculian task that will be, the only thing I know about freeBSD is that I couldn't even get it to run in a virtual machine. |
| 20:57.45 | ``Erik | :) fbsd is my home turf, but this device is not a normal x86 machien... it's an ARM computer, the bootloader is "uboot" (it has nothing comparable to a bios), vga does nto start on boot it's all serial, ... |
| 20:58.24 | ``Erik | the notion of dumping my old p3 for a fanless micro-machine is just too hot |
| 20:58.45 | ``Erik | no FPU, the BRL-CAD benchmark is pathetic, it's only like 10 vax11/790's or so |
| 20:59.02 | ``Erik | but it should run things like irssi, finch, natd, tinyproxy, etc just fine |
| 20:59.25 | ``Erik | my brianfuck interpreter is 30% faster on this fpu-less thingie than my normal server |
| 20:59.55 | __monty__ | Cool, brianfuck have to try that out some time. |
| 21:01.04 | ``Erik | nah, nah ya don't... I wrote a brainfuck compiler because it's 2 opcodes more than the proven minimal turing machine, I did it to facilitate fundamental optization research |
| 21:01.16 | ``Erik | it's not a user friendly language :) |
| 21:02.10 | __monty__ | I was joking about your misspelling of the name, you got that right? |
| 21:02.28 | ``Erik | oh, sorry, missed that :) |
| 21:03.04 | ``Erik | if'n yall wanna fuck brian, that's all ya'lls biz |
| 21:03.49 | ``Erik | grok, folk come here who use mac or windows and don't have an inkling of what a command line might possibly be... |
| 21:03.52 | ``Erik | :) |
| 21:04.15 | ``Erik | so'z we have to take a minimal understanding approach when we start talkin' to people |
| 21:05.26 | __monty__ | G*ddamned I hate being stuck with leopard, just waited half an hour for a download, started the installer got the message: 'A version of Mac OS X 10.6 was not found' |
| 21:05.41 | ``Erik | hah |
| 21:05.46 | ``Erik | I'm using leopard myself |
| 21:05.54 | ``Erik | they still support g5 with 10.5? |
| 21:06.06 | __monty__ | yeah =) |
| 21:06.30 | ``Erik | I'm sad taht they went intel... the g5 is a beastly chip |
| 21:06.56 | ``Erik | gcc just produced shit code for it, so people thought it was slow :( |
| 21:07.20 | __monty__ | It's like you can read my mind. |
| 21:07.20 | ``Erik | a decent asm coder could demolish even the quad core x86 crap, I'd imagine |
| 21:07.49 | ``Erik | dude, you're tlaking to a dude trying to push an ARM fpu-less embedded machine in as a home server... |
| 21:08.08 | ``Erik | if you don't jibe, crank the geek knob to 11, then you'll be here :D |
| 21:09.47 | ``Erik | if I werne't so disgusted by how shoddy the guts of linux are, this'd already be my server |
| 21:12.30 | __monty__ | What's your day to day job? |
| 21:12.51 | ``Erik | mine? working on BRL-CAD, actually |
| 21:13.19 | ``Erik | more time spent making things "just work" for folk, sysadmin et |
| 21:13.55 | brlcad | waves |
| 21:13.56 | __monty__ | ... Of course, man I'm thick skulled today. |
| 21:14.02 | ``Erik | yargh, brlcad, 'sup? |
| 21:14.11 | brlcad | starseeker: cool, thanks! |
| 21:14.32 | ``Erik | nah, this is one of the ... uh... probably, the only modelling software that's open source and funded |
| 21:14.35 | brlcad | ``Erik: *burp* not much |
| 21:15.18 | ``Erik | brlcad: monty is trying to get a reasonable version working on his G5, ... |
| 21:15.34 | brlcad | and actually production-quality, in use, heavy featured, .. |
| 21:15.35 | ``Erik | I'm gonna go jam out some toons on my gitfiddle, picked up "daytripper" this morning |
| 21:16.09 | brlcad | howdy __monty__ |
| 21:16.21 | __monty__ | yarrrrrr matey |
| 21:16.29 | ``Erik | HEY! |
| 21:16.37 | ``Erik | it's not september anymore |
| 21:16.53 | ``Erik | as awesome as talk like a pirate MONTH is (cuz the 19th ain't 'nuff), it's not sept |
| 21:16.59 | ``Erik | ewnch |
| 21:17.21 | __monty__ | No way! It's oktober allready? |
| 21:17.31 | __monty__ | Damn I should get some sleep. |
| 21:17.32 | ``Erik | almost! |
| 21:18.17 | ``Erik | bets that if he brought his small amp, crap boxes and old guitar to work, mumbles eds would shit bricks |
| 21:23.52 | __monty__ | M is trying in A well |
| 21:23.59 | __monty__ | Ignore that. |
| 21:24.51 | __monty__ | is trying inkwell |
| 21:26.30 | ``Erik | I lost a wheel clip :/ |
| 21:27.55 | starseeker | brlcad: welcome :-) trying to update rel8 but I messed up somehow |
| 21:28.54 | __monty__ | only had to try three times to get that last sentence right. |
| 21:30.30 | __monty__ | Do any of you know inkwell? |
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| 21:33.56 | __monty__ | Does the configure & & make cycle take long? |
| 21:34.31 | __monty__ | I wrote that in one GO :-) |
| 21:37.52 | __monty__ | Am I getting too annoying ? |
| 21:39.40 | __monty__ | Or are you guys just not following? |
| 21:39.58 | starseeker | irc is intermittent - we'll be off and on |
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| 21:40.17 | ``Erik | not annoying, just not responsive... is there supposed to be something we react to? |
| 21:40.24 | ``Erik | I can't find the right hot glue gun :/ |
| 21:40.31 | starseeker | configure and make can take a while |
| 21:40.38 | ``Erik | found one without ammo and shit I didn't know I had |
| 21:40.40 | starseeker | especially on a slower machine |
| 21:41.07 | ``Erik | configure&&make can take anywheere between 3 minutes and an hour... more on slow hw |
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| 21:51.22 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36814 10/brlcad/branches/rel8/ (232 files in 66 dirs): Sync to trunk r36811 (I think) |
| 21:55.30 | starseeker | brlcad: can we delete src/other/jove in rel8? |
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| 22:01.53 | starseeker | ok, diff checks out we're synced |
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| 22:49.06 | ``Erik | dang kitties... he's grooming her... its too damn cute |
| 22:51.14 | __monty__ | M d kC is busy. =) |
| 22:51.35 | __monty__ | Make is busy |
| 22:58.10 | starseeker | ``Erik: hey, it beats having them fight |
| 23:00.30 | ``Erik | heh, true |
| 23:00.42 | ``Erik | they're sleeping now, which scares me, cuz they'll be up all night |
| 23:03.11 | brlcad | starseeker: sure |
| 23:10.47 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36815 10/brlcad/trunk/src/liboptical/sh_light.c: quellage |
| 23:11.03 | __monty__ | God how much longer is this going to take... |
| 23:12.31 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:12.46 | ``Erik | the compile? |
| 23:12.51 | __monty__ | make |
| 23:13.06 | ``Erik | that's it on now? |
| 23:13.17 | __monty__ | Yes. |
| 23:13.24 | ``Erik | er, what's it on now? |
| 23:13.45 | __monty__ | ? Make. |
| 23:13.58 | ``Erik | yeh, but which dir? |
| 23:14.00 | ``Erik | what files? |
| 23:14.18 | ``Erik | src/other is like half of it... |
| 23:16.00 | __monty__ | open N UR BS primarily. |
| 23:16.26 | __monty__ | also bib tool |
| 23:16.44 | __monty__ | lib tool |
| 23:16.58 | ``Erik | <-- argued to NOT include openNURBS mandetorily *shrug* |
| 23:17.24 | ``Erik | anything c++, actually... the compile times for c++ ... rapes baby kittens for no real benefit. |
| 23:17.28 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:19.34 | __monty__ | Sorry for my slow æsponIs, this handwriting & recognition cisnt always equally accurate. |
| 23:21.47 | __monty__ | It is fun to play with though. |
| 23:24.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:25.02 | brlcad | yeah, __monty__ .. it's not even a third done if it's still in openNURBS |
| 23:26.05 | __monty__ | Is FreeBSD a server system to you or do you also Use it as a desktop system. ? |
| 23:27.22 | brlcad | once openNURBS is done it'll be a little over a third to half complete with the compile |
| 23:27.49 | __monty__ | Make is at src/other/test |
| 23:29.15 | __monty__ | ./src/other/step/src/test. |
| 23:30.19 | __monty__ | Make is the longest step right? |
| 23:30.20 | brlcad | okay, it's past it then |
| 23:30.23 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36816 10/brlcad/branches/rel8/ (configure.ac src/other/Makefile.am src/other/jove/): Won't be needing jove in Release 8 |
| 23:30.31 | brlcad | heh yes |
| 23:30.44 | brlcad | make is almost the entire time |
| 23:31.00 | brlcad | last step is to install, which just takes a couple minutes |
| 23:31.19 | __monty__ | ffeeewwww....... |
| 23:31.59 | starseeker | MWAHAHAHA die jove die |
| 23:33.55 | __monty__ | You do know that jove is the latin name for Zeus, right? |
| 23:33.58 | ``Erik | __monty__: I tend to use fbsd as a server all over and a mac running X11.app as my 'desktop' |
| 23:34.58 | ``Erik | most of my computer usage is via ssh into a fbsd system |
| 23:35.25 | brlcad | didn't know that about jove, but it also stands for "Jonathans Own Version of Emacs" in this context.. an old streamlined emacs fork |
| 23:35.52 | __monty__ | X11 as desktop, on a Mac, sacrilige !!! |
| 23:37.45 | ``Erik | 99% of what I do is via ssh/screen |
| 23:40.35 | __monty__ | brlcad in latin is actually Iovis , but the i sounds as j and -e is a termination. |
| 23:41.44 | __monty__ | Damn openNURBS just poped back up. |
| 23:43.54 | __monty__ | lets fire up itUnes and listen some blues to relax. |
| 23:46.24 | __monty__ | Ah Sonny Boy... |
| 23:47.14 | __monty__ | Aha Juke |
| 23:51.44 | __monty__ | I'm off to bed, had enough off watchìng terminal not do anything i'll check for errors in the morning. Good night all. |
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| 10:08.25 | __monty__ | Anyone on? |
| 10:15.00 | __monty__ | I get Bus error When trying to run mged. |
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| 13:06.00 | __monty__ | Any help on Bus error when starting mged? |
| 13:11.20 | ``Erik | can ya run it in gdb? |
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| 15:16.07 | __monty__ | Are you still on? |
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| 20:06.38 | starseeker | winces as all his ram and swap are eaten by a step-g attempt and he is forced to reboot... |
| 20:07.46 | starseeker | wonder how I can reserve some ram just for X11 and related "basic" desktop stuff so no app ever grabs all the memory... |
| 20:08.07 | starseeker | or I suppose I could reinstall and up the swap... |
| 20:10.13 | ``Erik | O.O |
| 20:10.19 | ``Erik | um |
| 20:10.24 | ``Erik | use a slightly less retarded os? :D |
| 20:10.48 | ``Erik | last time I oom'd linux much, its termination criteria were... very... retarded |
| 20:11.35 | ``Erik | I had some small utilities I coded up to try to control swap vs ram stuff, simply never needed 'em after moving to fbsd... :) |
| 20:11.43 | ``Erik | "soil" was the one I tended to use the most I think |
| 20:12.00 | ``Erik | it pissed all over memory, forcing idle procs down into swap |
| 20:12.44 | ``Erik | has managed to break the serial console on his new toy, but it still boots and is ssh-able :/ |
| 20:26.16 | jesica_ | starseeker, are you there? |
| 20:26.39 | jesica_ | there something not cery clear for me in the manual |
| 20:26.45 | jesica_ | cery/very |
| 20:30.24 | ``Erik | he may be busy trying to figure out how to make linux not suck, throw your query out and idle until someone can answer it? :D |
| 20:31.52 | jesica_ | "If you type a z and your cursor is still in the Graphics Window, you will send your design spinning." that means it will rotate? |
| 20:33.06 | jesica_ | the only place where i heard the spin word was in chemistry: P |
| 20:35.05 | brlcad | starseeker: hehe, how much memory do you have? |
| 20:36.42 | brlcad | jesica_: yes, it means it will begin rotating |
| 20:36.54 | jesica_ | brlcad, thanks |
| 20:37.03 | brlcad | rotating about the z axis if you press z |
| 20:37.18 | brlcad | and reverse direction if you press Z |
| 20:37.34 | brlcad | and about the other two axes for x and y, 0 to stop |
| 20:38.02 | jesica_ | brlcad, im not in that page yet :) |
| 20:38.09 | jesica_ | but thank you |
| 20:38.36 | jesica_ | remain im just doing the translating, not using brlcad |
| 20:39.07 | jesica_ | brlcad, why you have a nickname so important for this chanel? |
| 20:39.59 | jesica_ | ate "do", mmm |
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| 20:43.04 | starseeker | jesica_: he is the project lead for the BRL-CAD open source project |
| 20:43.42 | starseeker | brlcad: 1.5 gig ram, waaaay to little swap (500 meg) |
| 20:43.47 | jesica_ | starseeker, :) hi |
| 20:43.52 | starseeker | howdy :-) |
| 20:44.27 | starseeker | installed before he had an external hard drive - begrudged handing over several gigs for a proper swap partition |
| 20:48.27 | starseeker | really doesn't want to reinstall again until he gets a new machine - this configuration has had all the major gotchas ironed out (event got virtualbox working) |
| 20:54.07 | starseeker | ``Erik: I might be convinced to take a run at FreeBSD the next go-around, or maybe opensolaris - hate to give up all the OS specific knowledge, but would be an interesting experience |
| 20:54.27 | starseeker | (as long as sbcl runs well, of course ;-) |
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| 20:56.52 | __monty__ | Anyone know anything about a Bus error when trying to launch brlcad? |
| 20:57.06 | ``Erik | sbcl works quite nicely on fbsd, just make sure to enable threading when you run the 'make configure' step (uh, I think gentoo forces you to edit a file to set those? fbsd gives you a 'dialog' driven configurator) |
| 20:57.44 | ``Erik | there should be no bus error, have you tried running it in gdb to see what actually fails? can you give us info on version, how you got it, operating system, hw, etc? |
| 20:59.26 | ``Erik | rubs his chin and contemplates wasting energy to regret knocking the fuzz of |
| 20:59.29 | ``Erik | off |
| 21:00.42 | __monty__ | I don't know how to run it in gdb, I'm trying to run latest version of the source from SF on an intel mac this time. |
| 21:01.40 | ``Erik | ok, from the command line (xterm or Terminal.app... you need X11.app running), run "gdb /usr/brlcad/bin/mged" and it'll give you a prompt, type in "run" and hit enter |
| 21:02.33 | ``Erik | if it's bus faulting, it'll say so in that window, say where it crashed, and give you a prompt again, you need to run "backtrace" and paste the results to http://paste.bzflag.bz/ or http://paste.lisp.org |
| 21:03.00 | ``Erik | (latest version being the tar.gz file, not the subversion checkout?) |
| 21:03.25 | ``Erik | 7.16.2 or something? heh |
| 21:04.08 | __monty__ | yes tar.gz |
| 21:05.14 | ``Erik | intel mac is a 1st tier platform for BRL-CAD, it really should work... was /Applications/Utilities/X11.app running when you tried to start mged? |
| 21:05.34 | __monty__ | no but it did launch |
| 21:05.34 | ``Erik | (or xquartz, which is what I use on my home mac) |
| 21:05.49 | ``Erik | ok, then the gdb backtrace output is the next step |
| 21:06.46 | __monty__ | from where to where do I copy? |
| 21:07.04 | ``Erik | starseeker: I imagine that if you give go at another OS, you'll learn even more about the one you're leaving... I know I learned a LOT about linux by going to bsd, and a lot about x86 by using sparc and mips |
| 21:07.13 | ``Erik | gdb should be installed if you have xcode |
| 21:07.24 | ``Erik | as /usr/bin/gdb |
| 21:07.28 | ``Erik | run it in a terminal window :) |
| 21:08.10 | __monty__ | I have the output, I just don't know which part I should copy =S |
| 21:08.50 | ``Erik | um, from backtrace? should be a full printout of the call stack... paste every from the command to the next prompt to one of those websites I mentioned |
| 21:09.36 | __monty__ | starting from run or backtrace? |
| 21:09.43 | ``Erik | um, all of it *shrug* |
| 21:09.55 | ``Erik | (thus the site, instead of irc...) :) |
| 21:12.24 | ``Erik | waits for the link on http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 21:15.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36817 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: back-annotate the step-g work from Keith Bowman. still need to add in the summary paragraphs, but annotate all of the 7.16 releases with the continued improvements. |
| 21:20.48 | __monty__ | sorry that it took so long, I was trying to paste too much. |
| 21:20.56 | __monty__ | Here's the link http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m59a77916 |
| 21:30.42 | jesica_ | starseeker, firs file done :) |
| 21:31.11 | jesica_ | ill send it to a friend for a review before to send it to you |
| 21:33.31 | ``Erik | X_open_dm() interesting |
| 21:35.40 | ``Erik | I d'no what's up there, looks like a sig11, but you compiled with debugging disabled and it seems to work on other machines :/ willing to re-compile with optimization turned off and debugging stuff enabled? |
| 21:36.32 | __monty__ | sure how do I set the flags? |
| 21:37.32 | ``Erik | when you run configure, add --disable-optimized --enable-debug |
| 21:37.45 | ``Erik | make clean, configure, build... |
| 21:40.35 | starseeker | jesica_: excellent! :-) |
| 21:41.28 | jesica_ | now, to study! I wana kill myself :P |
| 21:44.24 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 21:45.29 | starseeker | jesica_: hang in there, that studying pays off |
| 21:46.57 | ``Erik | just a bit loca? O.o |
| 21:49.20 | jesica_ | ``Erik, not afraid of crazy women? careful what you say :) |
| 21:49.45 | ``Erik | afraid? no... seem to have a history |
| 21:50.14 | ``Erik | studying what? schoolwork? or something about BRL-CAD? |
| 21:54.07 | ``Erik | curses up a storm because he cooked some stew for lunch that he'd intended for making a breadbowl :/ |
| 21:55.46 | jesica_ | studying algorithm |
| 21:56.48 | ``Erik | ah, graph theory, trees, etc? good luck with that... I love the subject, but when I took courses, the teacher was very much focused on the math, not the theory |
| 21:57.29 | ``Erik | I bought a school targetted text book because it had a section over a certain data structure I was interested in O.o (trie's) |
| 21:57.50 | jesica_ | ive studied all this thingf in discrete math? |
| 21:57.59 | ``Erik | zapp hack on a trie gives you fast easy completion |
| 21:58.47 | ``Erik | hm, perhaps a language barrier, the discrete mathematics courses I took had very little relation to the fundamental algorithm courses.... mebbe I just don't understand the correlation |
| 22:00.09 | ``Erik | either way, crazy woman, enjoy your study :) if you're horribly stuck on a subject, there're folk in this channel with much experience and knowledge, may be of use.. if you try to cheat, don't be surprised when someone says "do your own damn homework" :) |
| 22:01.07 | jesica_ | im not studying yet |
| 22:01.28 | jesica_ | im looking for someone to do a second review of the tranlation |
| 22:01.31 | jesica_ | :P |
| 22:02.19 | ``Erik | <-- can help on english, some japanese, and a tiny german... definitely not anything in the es_ directory... perhaps when brlcad wakes, he can assist? he lived in panama for a while and picked up some language |
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| 22:03.17 | ``Erik | if we put your work out publically, perhaps someone will notice and comment... open source, yay |
| 22:04.35 | jesica_ | thats true |
| 22:04.45 | jesica_ | but i prefere to do it the best i can |
| 22:04.56 | __monty__ | Gn everyone. |
| 22:04.59 | ``Erik | a common deficiency |
| 22:05.17 | ``Erik | how's the fresh build going, monty? going to have another bt for us soon? :) |
| 22:06.12 | __monty__ | I don't know, openNURBS (grinds teeth while saying that) is still popping up all over the place. |
| 22:07.13 | ``Erik | jesica: if you spend all your time trying to polish your work, you avoid the true advantage of the open source scheme... even if it's crap, throw it out! soon! often! the downfall of keeping it private is referred to as a "polished turd" in some US subcultures, ya spend all your time focused on making it perfect when there's a fundamental flaw |
| 22:08.01 | ``Erik | monty: openNURBS is mebbe 50% or so of the compile time... once it hits libbu, it'll cruise alone quick |
| 22:09.08 | __monty__ | XML_CATALOG_FILES is the most popular line right now |
| 22:09.43 | starseeker | uh - you're in the docs then |
| 22:09.45 | starseeker | almost done |
| 22:10.27 | starseeker | heads to store |
| 22:10.41 | ``Erik | dang xslt crap |
| 22:10.46 | __monty__ | tails to store |
| 22:11.00 | ``Erik | if I figure out who did that... and the tkhtml3... there'll be some whuppin' |
| 22:11.08 | ``Erik | car cdr? |
| 22:11.36 | __monty__ | cheers, we need more whuppin' up in here! |
| 22:12.11 | __monty__ | just entered 'make install' |
| 22:12.44 | ``Erik | (starseeker imported the tkhtml3 stuff, did all the xsltproc crap, ... ) |
| 22:13.09 | ``Erik | makes my crimes of automake/autoconf seem trivial :D |
| 22:14.34 | __monty__ | Ok, still getting Bus error. |
| 22:14.53 | ``Erik | and does the backtrace now include function, file, line number, etc? |
| 22:15.49 | __monty__ | It looks very similar to the previous one. |
| 22:16.18 | ``Erik | just X_open_dm(), not X_open_dm():4123 ? |
| 22:16.48 | __monty__ | #0 0x0012f90b in X_open_dm (interp=0xb6cc08, argc=6, argv=0xbfffcdd4) at dm-X.c:376 |
| 22:17.06 | ``Erik | 376, ok, that's important |
| 22:17.58 | __monty__ | Maybe this part is helpful: Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory. |
| 22:17.58 | __monty__ | Reason: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE... |
| 22:18.32 | ``Erik | nah, tha'ts just a sig11 |
| 22:18.43 | __monty__ | okie |
| 22:19.35 | ``Erik | if I were to try to talk about changing source to get ot this, would you be comfortable altering the source and trying? |
| 22:20.06 | __monty__ | sure. If it's a small alteration. |
| 22:20.10 | ``Erik | yuh oh, starseeker has been all over this file lately, no wonder it's all busted |
| 22:20.48 | ``Erik | (he is so gonna kick my arse on tuesday) |
| 22:21.18 | __monty__ | hopes you get that on camera. |
| 22:26.03 | ``Erik | yuh oh, we don't have version tags/branches |
| 22:26.53 | ``Erik | 'k, looks like dmp isn't being set right |
| 22:27.56 | ``Erik | which probably means BU_GETSTRUCT fails, whihc means out of memory |
| 22:29.14 | __monty__ | which tells us... |
| 22:29.53 | ``Erik | not sure, lack of system memory? *shrug* |
| 22:30.20 | ``Erik | if you have subversion, mebbe the latest version will work? |
| 22:30.25 | __monty__ | RAM or other kind |
| 22:30.40 | ``Erik | ram and swap, I"d imagine, I dunno |
| 22:31.14 | ``Erik | to be honest, I was kinda hoping brlcad would step in and take over so'z I could go nap O:-) |
| 22:31.59 | __monty__ | Ok than, I'll give up for today, Bus error you may have won the battle but the war isn't over yet. |
| 22:32.26 | ``Erik | :) sorry I couldn't be more helpful, this delves into pieces I avoid |
| 22:32.49 | __monty__ | No problem, I'm happy you tried. |
| 22:33.05 | ``Erik | starseeker and brlcad probably know a LOT more about that piece than I do |
| 22:33.15 | ``Erik | they might be on tomorrow morning |
| 22:33.35 | __monty__ | I do find all this quite strange since I know I ran mged some time. |
| 22:33.52 | ``Erik | yeh, I don't understand why it'd crash like that |
| 22:34.01 | __monty__ | Morning gmt? I'm in the CET zone. |
| 22:34.15 | ``Erik | daytime GMT-5, morning GMT |
| 22:34.33 | ``Erik | most of the developers are on the US |
| 22:35.09 | ``Erik | in ~15-20 hours? |
| 22:35.38 | ``Erik | starseeker keeps normal hours, brlcad is all over the map *shrug* lurk and read backlog :) |
| 22:35.46 | ``Erik | it'll get figured out eventually |
| 22:36.26 | __monty__ | Ok that's CET - 6, morning is ~8-10 o' clock so that's from 14-16, I'll try catching them. |
| 22:36.41 | __monty__ | Good night to you sir. |
| 22:37.15 | ``Erik | we all read backlog, so just leave your irc client attached and catch up *shrug* :) catch ya later, dude |
| 22:37.54 | __monty__ | Can't, running on a laptop, have to shut down. |
| 22:38.15 | ``Erik | ok, hopefully we'll have a solution for you when you're back next :) |
| 22:38.37 | __monty__ | Thanks for all the help by the way. |
| 22:40.29 | __monty__ | left the building. |
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| 23:10.09 | brlcad | Nohla: cool, so you're done with one of the exercises? |
| 23:10.16 | brlcad | can you upload it somewhere? |
| 23:11.05 | Nohla | i have starseeker parsonal email, maybe there? |
| 23:11.17 | Nohla | but ive done just one review |
| 23:11.58 | Nohla | nobody else can read it right now |
| 23:12.19 | Nohla | and i cant correct myself |
| 23:12.36 | brlcad | ideally, can you upload it here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=105292&atid=640804 |
| 23:13.08 | brlcad | if you upload it there as an attachment, then we can all get to it |
| 23:13.38 | Nohla | ok |
| 23:13.57 | Nohla | let me see if i can convince another friend to correct it |
| 23:14.26 | brlcad | okay |
| 23:14.51 | brlcad | when you upload it as an attachment, you can continue to upload improved versions too |
| 23:14.56 | brlcad | doesn't have to be final |
| 23:16.19 | brlcad | hmm.. __monty__'s backtrace is a bit dated |
| 23:17.07 | brlcad | can't be a BU_GETSTRUCT failure.. that'd be a bomb |
| 23:17.35 | brlcad | not a bad access |
| 23:20.58 | brlcad | ah yes, so 376 for the .2 release was: |
| 23:21.21 | brlcad | dmp->dm_width = DisplayWidth(pubvars->dpy, DefaultScreen(pubvars->dpy)) - 30; |
| 23:23.00 | brlcad | so dmp or pubvars are nfg |
| 23:24.16 | brlcad | ~botmail for __monty__: if you still have that gdb session, try running "p dmp" and "p pubvars" after it stops at dm-X.c:376 |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36818 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: make X11 function calls instead of using the macros so that we can hopefully get |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: some better data validation and stack trace information if/when something goes |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: horribly wrong. crash reported while getting DisplayWidth of the default |
| 23:38.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: screen. |
| 23:45.27 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36819 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/ (dm-ogl.c dm-rtgl.c): make the two other X windowing interfaces match dm-X, using X11 funcs instead of macros for better debugging, seeing if we encounter a negative screen number. |
| 23:46.37 | brlcad | ~botmail for __monty__: I made some minor changes that should help debugging, test appreciated for you to checkout latest svn (not the tarball) and then try getting the crash backtrace again in gdb |
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| 00:03.48 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36820 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: bob added a new 'data_axes' command to archer |
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| 00:39.55 | jesica__ | brlcad, ill put it in wiki |
| 00:40.12 | jesica__ | the mail from forgesuorce is late :P |
| 00:40.43 | jesica__ | and i have the second review done |
| 01:30.51 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36821 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libgcv/region_end.c: Initialize NMG_debug_state. |
| 01:32.54 | jesica__ | what time is it there? |
| 01:39.38 | ``Erik | here? 22:40 |
| 01:39.48 | ``Erik | no, 20:40, sorry |
| 01:39.50 | ``Erik | 8:40pm |
| 01:56.53 | jesica__ | im still waiting for my subscription |
| 01:57.13 | jesica__ | a friend will send it by sourceforge with his name |
| 02:13.00 | jesica__ | there will be problem with the accent? |
| 02:13.57 | ``Erik | subscription? accent? whu? |
| 02:15.57 | jesica__ | do you thing wont be a problem if i write acción in spyte of accion |
| 02:18.04 | ``Erik | I dunno who accion is, but you can spit on hi without bugging us, yes |
| 02:25.10 | jesica__ | what?? jajaja |
| 02:25.32 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 02:25.53 | jesica__ | what "spit on hi" means? |
| 02:26.44 | ``Erik | spit, sypte, something |
| 02:27.37 | jesica__ | i know what spit means, but i can understand the sentence |
| 02:31.55 | ``Erik | typo, s/hi/him/ |
| 02:32.54 | jesica__ | okas |
| 02:33.17 | jesica__ | now, who is him? :) |
| 02:33.37 | jesica__ | acción means action |
| 02:33.43 | jesica__ | in spanish |
| 02:33.52 | jesica__ | and it have ' |
| 02:34.03 | ``Erik | heh, okie, typos + mistranslation, wee |
| 02:34.11 | jesica__ | i thought that maybe that can be trouble |
| 02:34.21 | jesica__ | troubling? |
| 02:34.40 | ``Erik | at the moment, the only trouble around is cat.. |
| 02:35.03 | jesica__ | jajjaja |
| 02:35.11 | ``Erik | my poor punctured leg :( |
| 02:35.14 | jesica__ | starseeker, where are you!!! |
| 02:35.25 | ``Erik | gato es loco? |
| 02:35.26 | jesica__ | i can understand everything you say!! |
| 02:35.29 | ``Erik | or somethin? |
| 02:35.45 | jesica__ | cat means gato |
| 02:35.56 | jesica__ | crazy or insane is loco |
| 02:36.01 | ``Erik | yes, my cats are crazy |
| 02:48.48 | jesica__ | mmm how to cook cat in 20 minutes |
| 02:49.02 | jesica__ | in Argentina we eat cats |
| 02:50.26 | ``Erik | nice, I have probably done the smae when I went to korea, but it tends to horrify americans |
| 02:50.39 | jesica__ | jajajjaa |
| 02:50.58 | jesica__ | im just kidding |
| 02:51.15 | ``Erik | :) I'm not. |
| 02:51.46 | ``Erik | I have probably eaten both cat and dog in my travels |
| 02:52.09 | jesica__ | http://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/brlcad-es/mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 02:52.20 | jesica__ | ``Erik, jajajjaa |
| 02:52.52 | jesica__ | starseeker, brlcad complete the first |
| 02:57.51 | jesica__ | i was thinking that maybe im too unpolite because the irc causes i dont prejudge people |
| 02:58.03 | jesica__ | sorry if im too informal |
| 02:58.51 | ``Erik | I doubt you'll upset folk, more an issue of people being afk... |
| 03:00.09 | jesica__ | ``Erik, is funny not understans you :) afk? |
| 03:00.39 | ``Erik | away from keyboard |
| 03:01.13 | jesica__ | well, good night people |
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| 03:01.57 | ``Erik | catch yo later, jesica |
| 03:04.12 | ``Erik | odd watching curry NOT fake an accent |
| 03:11.50 | jesica__ | ``Erik, how can i see this file as its seen for the user? |
| 03:12.02 | jesica__ | (maybe im not too clear) |
| 03:12.17 | jesica__ | like pdf i say |
| 03:22.18 | starseeker | jesica__: what, is ``Erik being annoying again? |
| 03:25.04 | starseeker | jesica__: downloaded the file, thank you :-) |
| 03:25.23 | jesica__ | i found only one detail to correct |
| 03:25.47 | jesica__ | i ate a letter somewhere |
| 03:27.13 | jesica__ | sometimes i think erik is an adult nd sometimes that is a teenager? |
| 03:27.20 | starseeker | he's an adult |
| 03:27.30 | starseeker | hard to believe I know, but he's older than I am |
| 03:27.43 | jesica__ | a very one? :) |
| 03:27.58 | starseeker | hmm? |
| 03:28.56 | jesica__ | tell me, how old are you? if you want |
| 03:29.26 | jesica__ | just to make a mental image and write correctly |
| 03:29.38 | starseeker | oh - I'm under 30, he's over 30 :-) |
| 03:30.24 | jesica__ | so, should i be more formal writing here? |
| 03:30.31 | starseeker | nah |
| 03:30.38 | starseeker | as you've noticed, we're informal |
| 03:31.13 | jesica__ | I do not want to disrespect anyone |
| 03:31.31 | starseeker | no problem :-) |
| 03:32.01 | starseeker | I'm trying to produce an html version of your document for you, but it's got a syntax bug |
| 03:32.15 | starseeker | and I seem to have misplaced my emacs nxml extension |
| 03:34.02 | jesica__ | starseeker, i should learn to do that but not today :P |
| 03:34.21 | jesica__ | are you using emacs for that? |
| 03:34.32 | starseeker | yes |
| 03:35.30 | jesica__ | mmm iwould like to use it, but ive never done something different to edit with vim simple texts |
| 03:44.14 | starseeker | jesica__: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.pdf |
| 03:44.32 | starseeker | ignore the images - I just need to size them correctly |
| 03:45.48 | starseeker | jesica__: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.html |
| 03:45.50 | jesica__ | eeeaaaa excellent |
| 03:46.17 | starseeker | I will work on making our documentation building system language aware |
| 03:47.00 | starseeker | makes a note to update the doggone screenshots... mged 5.0, eeek |
| 03:47.15 | starseeker | alrightie, late here - nice work jesica__ ! |
| 03:47.24 | starseeker | thank you very much |
| 03:47.41 | jesica__ | starseeker, im going to sleep |
| 03:47.48 | jesica__ | i saw another error |
| 03:48.15 | jesica__ | let me read it again tomorrow and change it on sourceforge |
| 03:48.28 | starseeker | jesica__: is the person who asked for the translation also able to see and review? |
| 03:48.51 | starseeker | sounds good! |
| 03:49.08 | jesica__ | i guess |
| 03:49.43 | jesica__ | two different people read again, but two words are wrong |
| 03:49.53 | starseeker | no big deal, it happens |
| 03:50.09 | starseeker | sometimes best test for documentation is to have someone try following it |
| 03:50.11 | jesica__ | let me change it and make a last review tomorrow |
| 03:50.17 | starseeker | OK |
| 03:51.08 | jesica__ | sorry |
| 03:51.15 | starseeker | no, no problem |
| 03:51.23 | starseeker | I have some work to do on the build system myself |
| 03:52.36 | jesica__ | good night people, this time its true :) |
| 03:53.33 | jesica__ | starseeker, thank for the companion in my work |
| 03:53.59 | starseeker | glad to help |
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| 10:14.56 | brlcad | http://stuffthingsandjunk.blogspot.com/2009/12/stl-to-igs-iges-conversion.html |
| 10:15.34 | brlcad | we should look into why iges export without -m wasn't working right |
| 10:15.48 | brlcad | otherwise, cool |
| 11:20.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36822 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: Fixed typo. |
| 12:00.36 | brlcad | oops |
| 12:00.48 | brlcad | C-x 4 f |
| 12:00.48 | brlcad | :) |
| 12:01.13 | indianla1ry | i do it all the time ... |
| 12:14.15 | ``Erik | dang emacs weenies |
| 12:33.33 | brlcad | can't find the damn .vc TLD authority |
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| 14:52.41 | brlcad | howdy d_rossberg |
| 14:52.57 | brlcad | guten morgen |
| 15:11.46 | d_rossberg | good morning brlcad |
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| 15:55.37 | dli | 7.16.2 build error: http://pastebin.ca/1705653 |
| 16:08.36 | d_rossberg | looks like it should be HIDDEN in cut.c, line 67 |
| 16:09.19 | dli | d_rossberg, is this a compiler problem, or indeed a bug in source code |
| 16:09.47 | d_rossberg | i think it is a bug in the source code |
| 16:10.46 | dli | d_rossberg, any idea how to fix this? |
| 16:10.51 | d_rossberg | which only arises in a release build |
| 16:11.10 | d_rossberg | yes, see my first message |
| 16:11.33 | dli | d_rossberg, I don't understand :( |
| 16:12.08 | d_rossberg | edit src/librt/cut.c |
| 16:12.40 | d_rossberg | put HIDDEN in front of line 67 and save the file |
| 16:13.25 | d_rossberg | (look at the surrounding lines) |
| 16:14.06 | dli | d_rossberg, yes, it's building now |
| 16:14.39 | dli | d_rossberg, thanks, let me restart the building process again |
| 16:19.14 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36823 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/cut.c: |
| 16:19.14 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: consistent HIDDEN declaration for rt_plot_cut |
| 16:19.14 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: otherwise the release build my fail |
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| 16:50.37 | dli | is this a typo within 7.16.2 source: http://pastebin.ca/1705706 |
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| 17:03.15 | d_rossberg | dli: good question, i don't know much about bwish but it looks like another bug |
| 17:03.42 | d_rossberg | bwish has build on my system, however i don't know how an why |
| 17:06.08 | dli | d_rossberg, thanks |
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| 20:10.12 | starseeker | brlcad: what was the specific error you sometimes got on parallel make of the docbook? |
| 20:10.25 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2050 10/wiki/BoT: add some initial notes about bot mode types and what they mean |
| 20:12.28 | brlcad | runtime error |
| 20:12.29 | brlcad | runtime xsltApplyStylesheet: saving to lessons/en/mged11_refining_mug.html may not be possible |
| 20:12.55 | brlcad | for a variety of random files, depends which get there first |
| 20:13.11 | brlcad | then then first one reports an Error 9 afterwards (and didn't write out the html file) |
| 20:16.37 | starseeker | looks like xsltCheckWrite fails in libxslt |
| 20:19.17 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks for the BoT writeup |
| 20:19.45 | brlcad | sorry to anyone that gets it multiple times, wasn't sure who all is on users |
| 20:19.52 | brlcad | (everyone "should" be...) |
| 20:22.01 | starseeker | brlcad: any idea what "stereo" mode is in the dm_ogl display manager or how to trigger it? |
| 20:22.23 | starseeker | lot of very ugly looking hard coded values being used just for that little bit... |
| 20:23.23 | brlcad | there's a render mode that will generate stereographic images (left/right eye images) |
| 20:23.30 | brlcad | for 3d displays |
| 20:23.43 | starseeker | um |
| 20:23.46 | brlcad | we do red-blue shift iirc |
| 20:23.53 | starseeker | had anyone ever used it? |
| 20:23.53 | brlcad | see the rt lighting modes iirc |
| 20:23.56 | brlcad | yep |
| 20:24.00 | starseeker | nuts |
| 20:24.12 | brlcad | dunno why rtgl would need it |
| 20:24.15 | brlcad | probably just copied |
| 20:24.19 | starseeker | it's in dm-ogl |
| 20:24.34 | starseeker | didn't like all the ugly const defs |
| 20:24.37 | brlcad | I'd expect to see it in X/ogl |
| 20:25.45 | brlcad | don't recall how to get to it for the dm, but "usually" stereo mode just draws the same content twice with a slight shift for left/right eyes |
| 20:26.02 | brlcad | put on the glasses and you get the effect |
| 20:26.30 | brlcad | not too terribly uncommon as funky as it sounds, even bzflag has a stereo render mode |
| 20:27.26 | brlcad | i'm not sure http://pastebin.ca/1705706 is right... |
| 20:27.43 | brlcad | there is a history_record() in src/mged/history.c |
| 20:29.52 | brlcad | undoubtedly some symbol problem with the one in libbu for production compiles, though |
| 20:31.26 | brlcad | dli: that was for you :) |
| 20:31.54 | starseeker | makes a note to read up on stereo rending to figure out how to do it less hackishly |
| 20:32.28 | brlcad | dli: ah, never mind.. i see your patch was in bwish, not mged |
| 20:33.58 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36824 10/brlcad/trunk/src/bwish/cmd.c: this shouldn't compile for production builds.. history_record is a libbu HIDDEN function. thx for noting this dli. |
| 20:35.58 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36825 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/cmdhist.c: _bu_ prefix the HIDDEN funcs |
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| 21:05.23 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36826 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: make sure XSLTPROC and APACHEFOP are set to : consistently in case they are not detected so we don't end up with a build failure, move the block outside the if test. |
| 21:25.57 | starseeker | reads the tgc shot routine and goes a bit crosseyed |
| 21:26.39 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36827 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: credit dli aka dongxu_li for his work on getting brl-cad's ebuild in order for gentoo/portage. made (minor) code contributions in december 2009 recently but first started working on the ebuild in april 2009. |
| 21:39.07 | starseeker | now that's interesting |
| 21:39.39 | starseeker | nirt reports an overlap los of 1 with a metaball and arb8 overlap but still reports the metaball LOS as 0 |
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| 21:45.50 | starseeker | ``Erik: your metaballs code is impressive in a "black magic how on earth does this work" kinda way :-P |
| 22:02.48 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:12.28 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2051 10/wiki/BoT: add a section on BoT advantages over STL, reorder and format tweaking too |
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| 22:53.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36828 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/backtrace.c: clever compiler, quell warning about unreachable code due to exit() terminations. probably fixed an itsy bitsy memory leak in the process. mark the static funcs HIDDEN. |
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| 22:55.52 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36829 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (backtrace.c bitv.c): ws indent style cleanup |
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| 01:39.32 | brlcad | jesica__: nice work on the translation |
| 01:39.33 | brlcad | se ve bien |
| 01:40.24 | jesica__ | brlcad, im doing the lastest correction |
| 01:40.38 | jesica__ | definitly the last, i swear |
| 01:41.10 | jesica__ | there are various thing i note in pdf |
| 01:42.36 | jesica__ | there are two things i cant change |
| 01:43.00 | jesica__ | the advertise <caution> and <note> :( |
| 01:47.33 | brlcad | the english can be changed too :) |
| 01:49.21 | brlcad | oh and when I mentioned submitting a patch, I didn't mean an entire new sourceforge project :) |
| 01:52.23 | jesica__ | i didnt do that, my subcription is still on process :P |
| 01:52.46 | brlcad | there's no subscription required.... |
| 01:52.49 | jesica__ | a friend have done it for me |
| 01:53.01 | brlcad | you just create an account, submit the patch |
| 01:53.23 | jesica__ | well, the account in sourgeforce ned confirmation |
| 01:53.31 | jesica__ | ned/need |
| 01:53.45 | brlcad | ah, and that takes time? :) |
| 01:53.54 | brlcad | should have sent an instant confirmation |
| 01:55.29 | mafm | brlcad: the Google IO 2009 video is a bit... below par :P |
| 01:55.57 | brlcad | mafm: which video?? |
| 01:56.05 | jesica__ | brlcad, ive tried to do it again but said that i was registered |
| 01:56.07 | mafm | at least the one from Mr Linus was more... fun |
| 01:56.23 | mafm | brlcad: the video about "the myth of the genius programmer" that you posted to the ml a while ago |
| 01:56.25 | jesica__ | but when entrying, it said i need confirmation |
| 01:56.29 | jesica__ | :( |
| 01:59.50 | brlcad | mafm: not sure what you mean by "below par", wasn't meant to be earth shattering, more just lots of interesting points |
| 02:00.02 | brlcad | particularly with regards to egos and hidden development practices |
| 02:03.02 | mafm | I actually expected to give more examples, or actual examples |
| 02:03.21 | brlcad | *shrug* |
| 02:03.25 | brlcad | expectations amiss ;) |
| 02:03.27 | mafm | in the "sweet spot" thing about when to involve ppl, there are no examples at all :) |
| 02:03.56 | mafm | just like... "don't get ppl involved too early, also not too late!" |
| 02:04.33 | brlcad | jesica__: what's your username? |
| 02:04.41 | mafm | the topic looked very promising for me, though |
| 02:05.05 | jesica__ | mmm i forgot jajaja |
| 02:05.16 | mafm | I guess that you were trying to make the same point, directed at some devels :P |
| 02:05.29 | jesica__ | but it should be giudicejesica |
| 02:05.48 | brlcad | there's not a formula you apply, more a set of guidelines to consider and apply, case by case basis |
| 02:07.30 | brlcad | jesica__: sent you a test message |
| 02:08.20 | brlcad | jesica__: https://sourceforge.net/account/registration/recover.php |
| 02:08.39 | brlcad | escoje email recovery |
| 02:08.58 | brlcad | ponga tu email |
| 02:09.49 | brlcad | if that doesn't work, you either have a spam filter that thought the account registration was spam or you had a typo in you email address when you registered |
| 02:10.06 | mafm | elige, pon :) |
| 02:10.31 | jesica__ | brlcad, so i can change <note> by <nota> without a trouble? |
| 02:10.54 | brlcad | jesica__: no, everything within <> should not be translated, they're tags |
| 02:11.22 | brlcad | like html, <html><head></head>... you don't translate those, only what is between them |
| 02:12.02 | brlcad | ahh, is it writing "Note:" in the output somewhere? |
| 02:12.17 | brlcad | if so, that's not something in the xml file .. we can fix that |
| 02:14.29 | jesica__ | mmm, so i leave it and you fix it? |
| 02:14.37 | brlcad | yeah |
| 02:15.13 | brlcad | a "note" to starseeker to do something about that when he integrates your change ;) |
| 02:15.27 | brlcad | needs a .es stylesheet customization |
| 02:15.48 | brlcad | or better yet, get the english one out |
| 02:16.11 | brlcad | or gettext the stylesheet if it's more pervasive |
| 02:17.13 | brlcad | jesica__: https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Support |
| 02:17.50 | brlcad | maybe tomorrow you can get ahold of someone on irc, to tell them your account registration e-mail never arrived |
| 02:17.52 | jesica__ | brlcad, the firs image is too large, you should fix that too |
| 02:18.18 | brlcad | jesica__: definitely :) |
| 02:18.54 | brlcad | jesica__: so if you're going to be doing more translations, we can get you set up with svn as soon as you have a sourceforge account :) |
| 02:19.56 | jesica__ | in one line, say that both DELETE and BACKSPACE erase the character on the lefth, thats true? |
| 02:21.12 | brlcad | yes |
| 02:21.21 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36830 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/lessons/es/: initial stub for the spanish translations that jesica has been working on |
| 02:22.54 | jesica__ | and just one thing before to finish |
| 02:23.17 | brlcad | it's never really finished :) |
| 02:23.18 | jesica__ | rename a sphere, f.e., is to create one |
| 02:23.42 | starseeker | brlcad: not really sure how to do language specific stylesheets |
| 02:23.52 | starseeker | will have to look into it when my headache goes away |
| 02:23.56 | brlcad | starseeker: we really shouldn't |
| 02:24.01 | brlcad | ideally should be language agnostic |
| 02:24.30 | brlcad | if we have to, can let gettext do the substitutions on the fly |
| 02:26.20 | jesica__ | mmm, ive done silly thing on mi laptop :P, could you send me the link to download the source code again? |
| 02:26.30 | starseeker | oh: http://oreilly.com/catalog/docbook/chapter/book/ch04.html#AEN5446 |
| 02:26.31 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 02:26.32 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 02:26.51 | starseeker | jesica__: you can install subversion? |
| 02:27.22 | brlcad | starseeker: ah, nice find.. there ya go |
| 02:27.24 | starseeker | we need a "language driver" |
| 02:27.42 | starseeker | yay, one more thing to mess up the docbook build with ;-) |
| 02:28.29 | starseeker | will need to generate the driver file from a .in file |
| 02:28.54 | starseeker | doggone it, hate to mess with that level of docbook but I guess no choice |
| 02:29.02 | starseeker | would probably have had to anyhow... |
| 02:29.46 | brlcad | the stylesheets needed to be ripped a new one regardless |
| 02:30.03 | starseeker | heh - not liking the defaults, eh? |
| 02:30.29 | brlcad | noep |
| 02:30.43 | jesica__ | "To recall the sphere, type the command on the Command Line as follows:" |
| 02:30.43 | starseeker | remembers all the fun in the firebird docs.. time to look at that again, I guess |
| 02:31.08 | jesica__ | draw == recall? |
| 02:31.32 | starseeker | er - redraw probably |
| 02:31.35 | brlcad | basically, yes |
| 02:31.37 | brlcad | to draw it again |
| 02:31.44 | brlcad | to draw the sphere again, ... |
| 02:31.47 | jesica__ | oh ok |
| 02:31.49 | jesica__ | thanks |
| 02:33.47 | starseeker | brlcad: the other major problem I am aware of with translations is if we make the file list variable based on $LANG or some such, won't the build crap out if the es or whatever directories don't have all the xml files the en directories do? |
| 02:33.49 | jesica__ | brlcad, now your are wrong, it finally finished |
| 02:34.02 | brlcad | what finished? |
| 02:34.09 | starseeker | translating I think :-) |
| 02:34.13 | brlcad | oh YOU are finished.. heh |
| 02:34.15 | jesica__ | starseeker, yes |
| 02:34.19 | brlcad | the document itself is never finished :) |
| 02:34.20 | jesica__ | jajjaja |
| 02:34.23 | brlcad | jej |
| 02:34.33 | jesica__ | yes, since yesterday |
| 02:34.57 | brlcad | even the english isn't "finished".. it's just where it is now |
| 02:37.44 | brlcad | starseeker: absolutely, once you add in l10n it really needs a driver |
| 02:38.10 | brlcad | you need more complex logic to build the docs |
| 02:38.10 | starseeker | um - driver? |
| 02:38.12 | brlcad | a script |
| 02:38.19 | brlcad | or program |
| 02:38.26 | starseeker | nnnooooooo.... (trails off pathetically) |
| 02:38.28 | brlcad | something where you can embed the logic it needs |
| 02:38.56 | brlcad | could still keep it simple and continue to itemize |
| 02:39.12 | starseeker | no, we need scalable |
| 02:39.29 | brlcad | separate Makefile.am into a Makefile.en and Makefile.es .. include them in the Makefile.am |
| 02:39.41 | starseeker | I just can't believe we finally got a nice (almost) working parallel docbook build using automake and now we get to blow it to hell |
| 02:40.02 | brlcad | that way you could even keep the Makefiles down with the XML files, and recursively include them up |
| 02:40.35 | starseeker | well... maybe |
| 02:40.52 | brlcad | so the es build file would only be as complex as the quantity of files that have been converted |
| 02:41.21 | starseeker | can includes be conditionalized? |
| 02:41.43 | starseeker | or I suppose it doesn't matter if they live inthe files |
| 02:42.50 | brlcad | i believe so, but shouldn't matter |
| 02:43.59 | starseeker | oh, while I'm thinking about it - I have a hunch that parallel build failure is in some way shape or form the falt of xsltproc |
| 02:47.42 | starseeker | unfortunately, the alternatives all seem to be java based |
| 03:02.20 | starseeker | emails xslt list |
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| 13:45.17 | brlcad | http://www.junauza.com/2009/12/free-and-open-source-cad-software-for.html |
| 13:49.02 | alex_joni | another nice (although really young one) is HeeksCad (also OpenCascade based) |
| 13:49.12 | alex_joni | http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/ |
| 14:31.13 | ``Erik | wait, what? O.o damn, I musta been confused |
| 14:51.16 | ``Erik | that whole voodoo needs to be redone :/ |
| 14:52.05 | brlcad | the metavoodoo? |
| 14:52.26 | ``Erik | heh, yeah, walking meatball voodoo |
| 14:52.59 | ``Erik | the find intersection function will be core to the next ... implementation |
| 14:53.25 | ``Erik | will probably cost performance, but *shrug* |
| 15:04.13 | starseeker | brlcad: FreeCAD looks great, but I have yet to successfully compile it even on gentoo |
| 15:04.39 | starseeker | heh - nifty, they used my dxf probe model screenshot |
| 15:06.11 | starseeker | varkon I've got working but haven't put the time into actually figuring out - it's GPL so we can't use it anyhow... |
| 15:08.00 | starseeker | that's easily one of the niftier varkon screenshots I've seen |
| 15:09.38 | starseeker | one interesting thing about varkon is they apparently do parametric stuff |
| 15:12.43 | brlcad | hates paperwork |
| 15:13.19 | brlcad | thinks it's funny they used the tux render |
| 15:13.30 | brlcad | but we did get top billing, good times ;) |
| 15:14.12 | starseeker | yes, that's interesting - particularly since FreeCAD is kicking our butts in the "modern CAD GUI with drawing generation and stuff..." department |
| 15:14.37 | starseeker | suggests an intelligent reviewer :-) |
| 15:14.46 | brlcad | they lack most of the nuts and bolts, actual usefulness |
| 15:15.01 | brlcad | but yeah, gui is not too shabby |
| 15:15.09 | brlcad | wouldn't take much to one-up them though |
| 15:15.14 | starseeker | hehe |
| 15:16.13 | starseeker | if they're for real about that STEP part to svg drawing extraction, that's not too shabby |
| 15:16.40 | brlcad | opencascade does that for them |
| 15:16.46 | starseeker | ah |
| 15:17.33 | starseeker | wonders if a step export capabilitiy would let us get some good out of opencascade... |
| 15:17.39 | ``Erik | 'larrabee is dead' http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2356725,00.asp |
| 15:18.08 | brlcad | there was a /. earlier in the week |
| 15:18.17 | brlcad | "dead for consumer, but not as a dev platform" |
| 15:18.20 | brlcad | something to that effect |
| 15:20.15 | starseeker | snorts in bemusement - they must be rather red faced after all that promotion this summer |
| 15:21.27 | starseeker | hopes freecad does well - good for open source if they can expose opencascade's abilities in a usable interface |
| 15:24.42 | brlcad | hopes freecad does well, despite using opencascade |
| 15:25.45 | brlcad | opencascade isn't a healthy project to utilizing, particularly for collaboration |
| 15:26.10 | starseeker | do they still have that funny license? |
| 15:26.29 | brlcad | as our Geometry Engine API comes to fruition, hopefully projects will have more options for CAD frameworks to build upon |
| 15:27.41 | starseeker | nods |
| 15:28.57 | starseeker | 3d shaded displays, parametric modeling, and the whole drawings thing... guess I'd better get busy :-P |
| 15:29.54 | brlcad | and that's just noting the features that we don't support |
| 15:30.08 | brlcad | we actually do a lot more than opencascade |
| 15:30.12 | brlcad | just not in a clean API |
| 15:30.34 | starseeker | nods |
| 15:31.10 | brlcad | we really need major refactoring to leverage and better present what we have too |
| 15:31.10 | brlcad | get the core libs cleaned up as stand-alone projects |
| 15:31.10 | brlcad | get the converts into a library of their own |
| 15:31.10 | starseeker | yep - I was surprised to hear the framebuffer stuff supported imagemagick style maniulations |
| 15:31.10 | brlcad | same for the data processing tools |
| 15:31.22 | starseeker | and I work on this sucker full time :-P |
| 15:31.23 | brlcad | get that all wrapped up into one unified API |
| 15:32.54 | brlcad | yeah, the fb stuff is kind of funny .. you could almost implement a mini photoshop/gimp clone if you put all our tools into one gui .. and have it be fully scriptable via commands |
| 15:33.18 | brlcad | granted, maybe "photoshop 3", but not too shabby for something entirely not our focus, just core needs |
| 15:33.51 | brlcad | the image processing stuff isn't as interesting, though, as our geometry conversion capability and data/signal processing tools |
| 15:34.05 | brlcad | image processing has come a long way since then |
| 15:35.09 | starseeker | oh, speaking of conversion - do you know of a good list of "object types in cad formats" anywhere? sort of a "dxf supports..., 3dm supports..." sorta comparison? |
| 15:35.27 | brlcad | heck, if we had a solid geometry conversion capability alone, that would kick up our community usage substantially (everyone needs geometry) |
| 15:35.47 | brlcad | no, not really |
| 15:35.58 | starseeker | shucks |
| 15:36.01 | brlcad | would make a nice chart |
| 15:36.07 | brlcad | features list |
| 15:36.12 | starseeker | was thinking about making one |
| 15:36.16 | starseeker | for converter status |
| 15:36.35 | brlcad | i've seen some informal one on a site somewhere a long while back |
| 15:36.42 | starseeker | sorta a way to represent "yes we do obj, but not NURBS - please add that" |
| 15:37.06 | starseeker | or "we do 3dm nurbs, but not meshes" |
| 15:37.39 | starseeker | supposes he could just grab all the object types in step and assume that would conver everything... |
| 15:38.50 | starseeker | also, such a list would be helpful for "pivoting" between formats |
| 15:39.08 | brlcad | nice lil start, http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/3DGeometryAndModelingFormats.html |
| 15:41.17 | starseeker | reflects he could always go the mathematical categorization route, has the advantage of being format agnostic |
| 15:42.13 | brlcad | yeah, there are various "features" encompassed by a given format, and it's capabilities |
| 15:42.18 | brlcad | numeric capabilities |
| 15:42.21 | brlcad | geometric |
| 15:42.32 | brlcad | representation types |
| 15:43.14 | brlcad | categorizations (object counts, groupings, layerings, hierarchies) |
| 15:43.43 | brlcad | connectivity and associations |
| 15:43.55 | brlcad | construction history, revisions |
| 15:44.15 | starseeker | yeah, the more I think about it that's the way to go - the internal libgcv representation shouldn't be any particular CAD file format (even .g) since that would by definition limit what the conversion routines could handle to what the format could handle |
| 15:44.36 | brlcad | parametric support, annotations, non-geometric entities, animation entities, kinematic controls, ... |
| 15:45.54 | brlcad | that's nice to say, but probably not practical -- depends where/how you draw the line |
| 15:46.07 | starseeker | sure |
| 15:46.12 | brlcad | something has to process the data, and in libgcv's case, that'd be libgcv and librt |
| 15:46.46 | brlcad | and if librt is processing the data, it's basically .g, but just in an in-memory form |
| 15:47.03 | starseeker | dunno - I'd have to think about it some |
| 15:47.32 | brlcad | there's only one format I know of that was designed to try and capture anything/everything, that being STEP |
| 15:47.43 | brlcad | it's basically union of all CAD formats |
| 15:47.54 | brlcad | even where it makes no sense whatsoever |
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| 15:48.42 | brlcad | our format is the next closest, though only "supporting" unsupported features through opaque binary storage |
| 15:48.58 | starseeker | which isn't very helpful for conversion |
| 15:49.03 | brlcad | STEPs not exactly an in-memory format either |
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| 15:49.43 | brlcad | it can be, but pita to use that way |
| 15:49.54 | starseeker | nods |
| 15:50.27 | brlcad | structurally, we're one of the most flexible by far, given we started on the CSG side of the spectrum with implicits |
| 15:51.25 | brlcad | try stashing a hyperboloid of one sheet in implicit form into STEP (maybe possible, but I'm sure we have a few that aren't) |
| 15:52.00 | brlcad | a table would be interesting |
| 15:52.10 | starseeker | But I was under the impression that you didn't want to have support for non-3d objects in BRL-CAD except as subsets of sketch, which would seem rather convoluted from the standpoint of conversion (most systems seem to be fine with storing loose curves, for example) |
| 15:52.24 | brlcad | it's be a freaking huge table, hundreds of features to consider |
| 15:52.34 | starseeker | yep |
| 15:53.00 | starseeker | accurate representation of the complexity of the task though |
| 15:54.03 | brlcad | that's not been an intentional impression -- annotations are non-3d, image objects, material objects, shader objects, wireframe objects.. |
| 15:55.00 | brlcad | that said |
| 15:55.05 | brlcad | I don't believe we should focus on our weakest points |
| 15:55.22 | brlcad | our focus is solid modeling |
| 15:55.40 | brlcad | the other entity types would be fine to have, but we have very limited resources |
| 15:56.05 | brlcad | rather do what we do very well than do a lot half-assed |
| 15:56.36 | starseeker | sure - I'm not saying we focus on doing anything with them, just know enough about them to convert them in the libraries so other apps will be inclined to use our converters |
| 15:56.41 | ``Erik | "BRL-CAD - the whole ass." |
| 15:56.45 | starseeker | (and enhance them) |
| 15:56.49 | brlcad | ``Erik: :) |
| 15:58.07 | brlcad | i'd have no problem with basic I/O support so things are preserved.. never been an issue |
| 15:58.16 | brlcad | just a matter of how |
| 15:58.24 | brlcad | and what |
| 16:00.04 | brlcad | especially for things that can be generalized in a useful manner, and seamlessly integrated, not as one-offs |
| 16:00.27 | starseeker | right |
| 16:01.40 | starseeker | I just think it deserves some careful planning and thought up front, so the converters can expand as needed to encompass what needs to be encompassed to successfully perform high quality geometry conversions |
| 16:02.10 | starseeker | if that needs .g changes rel8 seems the logical time :-) |
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| 16:05.29 | starseeker | hey jesica__ :-) |
| 16:05.40 | jesica__ | good morning :P |
| 16:06.52 | jesica__ | today is holiday! excellent! |
| 16:14.07 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36831 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: Collapse duplicate functionality. Allow multiple regions in the local load callback. Use librt's timing routines. |
| 16:22.00 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36832 10/isst/trunk/src/ (gui.c net_worker.c): move load_frame_attribute() into net_worker.c |
| 16:29.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36833 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: default to PNG and flip image for screeshot. |
| 16:29.48 | jesica__ | starseeker, have you ever drink mate? |
| 16:35.20 | starseeker | jesica__: uh, what? |
| 16:37.11 | jesica__ | mate is a warm drink like the coffe, but itve a special procedure to prepare |
| 16:39.04 | starseeker | ah, no I get my caffine from soda |
| 16:40.25 | brlcad | starseeker: sure, but that is also exactly the balance that has to be struck.. the "careful planning and thought up front" all take valuable time and energy from other potential tasks, so also have to be careful to not overinvest effort for something that isn't a strong suit |
| 16:40.45 | brlcad | getting our existing converters cleaned up and turned into an API for *exactly* what they do now, would be a huge win |
| 16:41.12 | brlcad | and that's a crapload of work in itself |
| 16:41.36 | brlcad | jesica__: happy holiday! :) |
| 16:41.46 | jesica__ | idem :) |
| 16:42.47 | jesica__ | im trying to convert the xml to pdf by myself |
| 16:42.55 | jesica__ | starseeker, its not so easy |
| 16:43.12 | brlcad | jesica__: did you get an svn checkout? |
| 16:43.24 | jesica__ | and i can drive emacs, god! i cant even read it wel |
| 16:43.31 | jesica__ | mmm no |
| 16:43.44 | brlcad | do you have svn installed? |
| 16:43.55 | jesica__ | mmm no |
| 16:44.07 | brlcad | heh, can you install it? :) |
| 16:44.35 | jesica__ | i think so |
| 16:45.54 | brlcad | if you install it, you can get a copy of the sources that will stay synchronized with the rest of us |
| 16:46.28 | jesica__ | something similar to starseeker send me yesterday? |
| 16:48.47 | jesica__ | well, the thing is that starseeker told me some days ago that he`ve done the conversion with emacs and i thougt it is a good oportunity to learn to use emacs |
| 16:50.46 | jesica__ | I have limited knowledge in regard to computing in general, but im trying to change that it the tidiest way :) |
| 16:51.52 | jesica__ | learning separate things without an order, so then unit them all togheter and see what happen between them |
| 16:52.19 | jesica__ | rarest things can happen, i swear |
| 16:52.54 | brlcad | learn |
| 16:52.59 | brlcad | er, sorry |
| 16:53.06 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36834 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/lessons/es/mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml: an initial revision of the spanish translation work being done by Jesica Giudice (with some support from Federico Calvo) |
| 16:53.06 | brlcad | learning emacs is a great thing :) |
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| 16:54.38 | brlcad | this was very helpful for me when I was learning: http://brlcad.org/~sean/emacs_22_reference_card.pdf |
| 16:55.06 | brlcad | lo siento que no lo tengo en espa?ol |
| 16:56.04 | jesica__ | shoul i translate this too, jajja |
| 16:56.04 | jesica__ | wow, such a large cheatsheet! |
| 16:57.03 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36835 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: add the .es lesson to the dist |
| 17:04.06 | jesica__ | i saw emacs uses a particularly nerd? way to explain its function |
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| 17:08.53 | jesica__ | brlcad, somebody told my that it uses to delay :P |
| 17:08.53 | jesica__ | oh no, more irc on english!!! |
| 17:08.56 | brlcad | they're good people, easy to talk to |
| 17:08.57 | brlcad | it's not that much of a delay |
| 17:08.57 | brlcad | not for account creation |
| 17:09.03 | brlcad | creating new projects has a delay |
| 17:09.11 | brlcad | they are manually reviewed and approved |
| 17:09.18 | brlcad | but not new accounts |
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| 17:18.14 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36836 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: Credit Jesica Guidice for her work translating our documentation to Spanish. Met via irc channel, her first contribution was on Vol IIs tutorial lessons. Thanks! |
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| 17:18.24 | brlcad | jesica__: hopefully spelled your name right? :) |
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| 17:19.02 | jesica__ | what did i now, ugh! |
| 17:19.27 | brlcad | nothing bad, I just credited you in our authorship file |
| 17:23.44 | jesica__ | which parametres SF verifies to calculate the percentage of activity? |
| 17:24.07 | brlcad | which activity? |
| 17:24.15 | jesica__ | yours is realy high |
| 17:24.45 | jesica__ | the activity of the project |
| 17:26.20 | brlcad | takes in download statistics, sourcecode commits, forum postings, webpage views, iirc |
| 17:27.08 | jesica__ | aaaah irc :) jejjeje |
| 17:27.11 | brlcad | tracker mods too |
| 17:27.16 | brlcad | not irc :) |
| 17:27.29 | brlcad | iirc == if i recall correctly |
| 17:27.34 | brlcad | se recuerdo bien |
| 17:27.38 | brlcad | si* |
| 17:27.56 | jesica__ | ops |
| 17:29.28 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36837 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/doc/docbook/fop.xconf.in: Hmm, somehow fop.xconf.in didn't make it into STABLE. |
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| 17:41.26 | mafm | heh :) |
| 17:41.37 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36838 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: use CLAMP from vmath |
| 17:43.28 | jesica__ | starseeker, you used fop on emacs? |
| 17:43.55 | jesica__ | i used it on vim, but not succefully |
| 17:44.13 | starseeker | fop is a command line tool |
| 17:44.44 | starseeker | jesica__: let me start from the beginning |
| 17:44.48 | starseeker | (one second) |
| 17:45.00 | jesica__ | well, so fop do the job, not emacs! |
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| 17:49.15 | starseeker | the process of converting from docbook to pdf: |
| 17:49.27 | starseeker | use xsltproc to generate a .fo file |
| 17:49.39 | starseeker | use fop to convert the fo file to a pdf file |
| 17:50.14 | starseeker | look in doc/docbook |
| 17:50.52 | starseeker | what Operating System are you using? |
| 17:52.22 | starseeker | here is what I did to convert your file to an html file: |
| 17:52.36 | starseeker | mkdir doc/docbook/lessons/es |
| 17:53.14 | starseeker | cp mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml doc/docbook/lessons/es/ |
| 17:53.52 | starseeker | cd doc/docbook/lessons/es |
| 17:53.53 | jesica__ | OS: debian |
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| 17:54.29 | starseeker | ok |
| 17:54.49 | starseeker | once in doc/docbook/lessons/es with your file in that directory, run this command to create html: |
| 17:56.02 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.html ../../resources/standard/xsl/xhtml-1_1/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 17:56.08 | starseeker | (one line) |
| 17:57.56 | starseeker | to create pdf file, first do this line: |
| 17:57.57 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo ../../resources/standard/xsl/fo/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 17:58.02 | starseeker | then do this one: |
| 17:58.19 | starseeker | fop mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo -pdf mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.pdf |
| 17:58.23 | ``Erik | ('cept xsltproc might not be in /usr/bin/, location should be set as a variable from configure) |
| 17:58.38 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'm assuming she's doing it manually |
| 17:58.51 | starseeker | so yes, wherever xsltproc is on your system |
| 17:59.25 | ``Erik | okie, figured that stuff'd go into a Makefile.am awfully soon :) |
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| 18:01.18 | starseeker | ``Erik: will take a little time to get a feel for the LANG variables and such - also, need to have per-lang makefiles that are included at the top level |
| 18:02.03 | starseeker | jesica__: did that work for you? |
| 18:02.53 | jesica__ | starseeker, wait a moment please, ill try in a few minutes |
| 18:32.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36839 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Start splitting up and including Makefile components for docbook |
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| 22:51.40 | jesica__ | starseeker, are you there? |
| 23:03.39 | starseeker | yes |
| 23:03.47 | starseeker | what's up? |
| 23:04.07 | jesica__ | well, i just change my debian lenny for debian sid |
| 23:04.18 | jesica__ | and installed xsltproc |
| 23:04.25 | jesica__ | i was reading the man |
| 23:04.41 | jesica__ | (i couldn do this with lenny :P) |
| 23:06.00 | jesica__ | (ah, ive sent the file by brlcad-devel list) |
| 23:08.22 | starseeker | jesica__: excellent, thanks :-) |
| 23:09.03 | starseeker | is reading up on how to localize docbook output for various languages |
| 23:10.44 | jesica__ | you showed me how to make the conversion from html, but my file is a xml |
| 23:12.05 | jesica__ | mmm... no, i thing im confused |
| 23:12.34 | starseeker | I showed you how to do it from xml |
| 23:12.39 | jesica__ | guide me if you can |
| 23:12.46 | starseeker | ok |
| 23:13.15 | starseeker | first, did you check out the subversion copy of BRL-CAD? |
| 23:13.30 | jesica__ | no |
| 23:13.36 | starseeker | ok, do that first |
| 23:13.42 | starseeker | ~cadsvn |
| 23:13.43 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 23:20.34 | jesica__ | done |
| 23:20.41 | starseeker | ok. |
| 23:21.08 | starseeker | now copy the latest copy of your xml file to doc/docbook/lessons/es/ |
| 23:23.16 | starseeker | ok? |
| 23:24.50 | jesica__ | mmm no, svn check... bring me the hole source code? i didnt understand what it did |
| 23:24.59 | starseeker | yes |
| 23:25.08 | starseeker | you have a brlcad directory? |
| 23:25.23 | starseeker | if so, do: |
| 23:25.32 | starseeker | cd brlcad/ |
| 23:25.44 | starseeker | ls |
| 23:25.51 | starseeker | you should see a doc directory |
| 23:26.42 | jesica__ | yes :) |
| 23:26.56 | starseeker | ok, now do cd doc/docbook/ |
| 23:27.04 | starseeker | you will see lessons directory |
| 23:27.28 | starseeker | then cd lessons/es |
| 23:27.33 | jesica__ | yes |
| 23:27.45 | starseeker | remove the xml document there and replace it with your current version of the file |
| 23:27.50 | jesica__ | done |
| 23:27.58 | starseeker | now, do this: |
| 23:28.11 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.html ../../resources/standard/xsl/xhtml-1_1/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 23:28.38 | starseeker | that should generate an html file |
| 23:28.44 | jesica__ | stand on the same directory? or that doesnt mather? |
| 23:28.55 | starseeker | in the same directory as the xml file |
| 23:30.09 | jesica__ | done |
| 23:30.20 | starseeker | did you get an html file? |
| 23:30.30 | jesica__ | yes |
| 23:30.39 | starseeker | ok, open it :-) |
| 23:31.00 | jesica__ | ah? |
| 23:31.20 | starseeker | web browser |
| 23:31.20 | jesica__ | ah? |
| 23:31.32 | starseeker | firefox mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.html |
| 23:31.44 | ``Erik | that html file is the end product |
| 23:32.50 | jesica__ | starseeker, so now with fop i can convers it to pdf? |
| 23:33.01 | starseeker | ok, for pdf do this: |
| 23:33.15 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo ../../resources/standard/xsl/fo/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 23:33.29 | starseeker | then, this: |
| 23:33.37 | starseeker | fop mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo -pdf mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.pdf |
| 23:34.00 | jesica__ | to use fop i alwais have to give it a .fo? |
| 23:34.12 | starseeker | that is how our build system works |
| 23:34.13 | jesica__ | cant i jump this step? |
| 23:34.18 | jesica__ | ok |
| 23:34.37 | starseeker | just save those commands in a script if you want to re-run them a lot |
| 23:34.44 | starseeker | for editing work, I recommend html output |
| 23:35.16 | starseeker | once I update our build system to be multi-language, you will be able to use the build logic to do this for you |
| 23:35.37 | starseeker | (working on that now, will probably be a couple days) |
| 23:35.58 | ``Erik | starseeker: examined the fbsd version for generating the handbook? |
| 23:36.19 | starseeker | hmm? FreeBSD uses docbook too? |
| 23:36.28 | ``Erik | docbook/jade, yes |
| 23:36.33 | starseeker | had looked at the firebird manual, not FreeBSD |
| 23:37.03 | starseeker | we seem to be doing this much more "automake-ish" than most projects |
| 23:37.06 | jesica__ | the images are not displayed :-/ |
| 23:37.10 | starseeker | jesica__: that's OK |
| 23:37.14 | jesica__ | in pdf |
| 23:37.26 | jesica__ | you think? :) |
| 23:37.40 | starseeker | if you need them, we need to do this: |
| 23:37.49 | starseeker | cd ../../ |
| 23:38.00 | starseeker | (you should be in the doc/docbook directory) |
| 23:38.13 | jesica__ | aha |
| 23:38.15 | starseeker | then, run this command: |
| 23:38.22 | jesica__ | aaah |
| 23:38.44 | jesica__ | becouse the imagen are in that directory? |
| 23:39.01 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=./catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo ./resources/standard/xsl/fo/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 23:39.13 | starseeker | yes, the xml file links to the images |
| 23:39.44 | starseeker | there is a very specific hierarchy to the docbook directories and the way images are linked - reasons are a bit complex |
| 23:39.53 | starseeker | did you create new fo file? |
| 23:40.14 | starseeker | once you have, do again fop mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo -pdf mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.pdf |
| 23:40.24 | starseeker | that pdf should have images |
| 23:40.31 | jesica__ | ok |
| 23:41.23 | starseeker | jesica__: to do parallel make (many files at once) we controll all build logic from the doc/docbook directory |
| 23:41.56 | starseeker | jesica__: did that work? |
| 23:41.59 | jesica__ | starseeker, you did this program? |
| 23:42.04 | starseeker | mostly |
| 23:42.09 | starseeker | the build logic anyway |
| 23:42.18 | starseeker | the docbook tools are by others (many others) |
| 23:42.47 | starseeker | ``Erik did the original source code build logic, I am just doing doc/docbook |
| 23:44.34 | jesica__ | starseeker, maybe for that i only found information of this program in sourceforge and in a log of brlcad :) |
| 23:45.25 | starseeker | docbook building is a bit specialized |
| 23:46.50 | jesica__ | starseeker, thank for helping, its a great pleasure work with all you |
| 23:48.12 | starseeker | no problem - thanks for your work! |
| 23:48.20 | starseeker | what would you like to work on next? |
| 23:48.22 | jesica__ | i feel confortable in this chanel and glad to do something usefull for your effort |
| 23:48.51 | jesica__ | now? i began the second file |
| 23:49.00 | starseeker | excellent :-) |
| 23:49.15 | starseeker | the same commands will work, just change the file names |
| 23:49.21 | ``Erik | doesn't think he's touched the doc/ dir in over five years, don't blame him for that mess O.O :D *duck* |
| 23:49.45 | jesica__ | starseeker, i understood enought to do it again correctly :) |
| 23:52.12 | jesica__ | Ill do the following slower because I have to study for the test i didnt doyesterday :P |
| 23:52.25 | starseeker | no rush :-) |
| 23:52.33 | jesica__ | but ill do it, i promise |
| 23:54.19 | jesica__ | I'll use ' since now, despite not being so confortable |
| 23:54.29 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'd argue it SHOWS that nobody had really touched the doc directory in a few years <snort> |
| 23:54.45 | starseeker | jesica__: take your time |
| 23:59.12 | jesica__ | starseeker, the following error happened when fop runing |
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| 23:59.29 | jesica__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.41 | starseeker | jesica__: that can be ignored, I see that for english docs too |
| 00:00.00 | jesica__ | Line 1 of a paragraph overflows the available area. (fo:block, location |
| 00:00.00 | starseeker | fop is not perfect, but it's the only free tool for this job |
| 00:00.11 | starseeker | jesica__: does the pdf look OK? |
| 00:01.10 | jesica__ | papparently |
| 00:02.15 | jesica__ | apparently :P |
| 00:02.19 | starseeker | jesica__: you're fine then |
| 00:02.26 | starseeker | I see those errors too |
| 00:02.57 | jesica__ | but what it means? maybe is better to chage it |
| 00:03.07 | starseeker | jesica__: I haven't checked into it yet |
| 00:03.18 | starseeker | jesica__: would have to read the fop documentation |
| 00:03.32 | starseeker | configuring fop is no picnic |
| 00:03.41 | jesica__ | :) |
| 00:04.33 | jesica__ | at least, I'didnt use emacs :( |
| 00:05.16 | starseeker | you're doing find |
| 00:05.17 | starseeker | er fine |
| 00:05.35 | starseeker | nxml + emacs is useful, but since you are translating it is not critical |
| 00:05.40 | starseeker | more important for new files |
| 00:06.24 | jesica__ | there will be oportunity I guess |
| 00:07.13 | starseeker | sure :-) |
| 00:07.35 | starseeker | right now though, more important to get sourceforge account and learn to use subversion |
| 00:07.52 | starseeker | did you send an email to the sourceforge help system? |
| 00:10.31 | jesica__ | mmm... no |
| 00:10.35 | jesica__ | why |
| 00:10.42 | starseeker | you still can't log in, correct? |
| 00:10.52 | ``Erik | vim has an XML syntax package that might be useful |
| 00:10.55 | jesica__ | no, I can now |
| 00:11.07 | starseeker | oh, excellent |
| 00:11.19 | starseeker | then let's try something |
| 00:11.22 | ``Erik | folding, highlighting, matching, linting, ... |
| 00:11.31 | starseeker | cd into your brlcad checkout |
| 00:11.41 | starseeker | cd brlcad/doc/docbook/lessons/es |
| 00:11.42 | jesica__ | but I'd create with my hotmail :P |
| 00:11.48 | starseeker | run the command svn diff |
| 00:12.04 | jesica__ | that bothers me |
| 00:12.46 | starseeker | does svn diff show anything? |
| 00:13.26 | jesica__ | no |
| 00:13.45 | jesica__ | that sounds fine? |
| 00:14.07 | jesica__ | fine/good |
| 00:15.44 | starseeker | um - you copied your newest copy of the xml file to that directory? |
| 00:16.18 | jesica__ | starseeker, ah? |
| 00:16.29 | starseeker | if not, do so and try again |
| 00:16.39 | starseeker | should replace the xml file already there |
| 00:17.38 | jesica__ | replace? |
| 00:21.03 | starseeker | brlcad uploaded a verion of your translation to that directory already |
| 00:21.27 | starseeker | unless you didn't make any changes, if you remove the old one and put your new one in svn diff should show those changes |
| 00:21.51 | starseeker | so: |
| 00:22.02 | starseeker | cd brlcad/doc/docbook/lessons/es |
| 00:22.21 | starseeker | rm mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 00:22.39 | starseeker | copy in your latest mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 00:22.43 | starseeker | then run svn diff |
| 00:22.46 | jesica__ | starseeker, first, remember I've changed the name of the file |
| 00:22.52 | jesica__ | it's in spanish |
| 00:22.52 | starseeker | to? |
| 00:22.57 | starseeker | erm |
| 00:22.58 | jesica__ | yes |
| 00:23.00 | starseeker | oh, OK |
| 00:23.16 | starseeker | do do this: |
| 00:23.26 | starseeker | svn del mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 00:23.34 | jesica__ | but it was which I've sent to brlcad-devel |
| 00:23.42 | starseeker | svn add *your_new_filename* |
| 00:24.27 | starseeker | then try svn diff again |
| 00:26.26 | jesica__ | starseeker, could you explain to me what that do? because I'll forget everything tomorrow if I can't understand |
| 00:30.15 | jesica__ | I'm sick :P |
| 00:30.33 | starseeker | the idea is for you to be able to upload your files and changes to them directly into the main source code tree |
| 00:30.45 | starseeker | to do this, you will need a working sourceforge account |
| 00:30.58 | starseeker | when brlcad comes back, he can enable your account to send changes to the tree |
| 00:31.15 | starseeker | the svn commands I am showing you are steps in that process |
| 00:31.30 | jesica__ | wow, that sounds good, but hard |
| 00:31.49 | jesica__ | juantelez was right when said I'll learn a lot of thing with this |
| 00:32.22 | starseeker | not so hard, just a few commands to learn |
| 00:32.35 | starseeker | once it is set up and you have done it a few times, it will be easy :-) |
| 00:32.40 | jesica__ | but a lot of thing to understand |
| 00:32.59 | starseeker | when it is all new, it is a lot to understand :-) |
| 00:33.04 | jesica__ | don't wanna copy withno understanding |
| 00:35.00 | starseeker | don't worry - you will understand |
| 00:35.17 | starseeker | subversion (svn) manages our source code and documentation |
| 00:35.40 | starseeker | it retains history, so earlier versions can be viewed and changes between versions can be found |
| 00:36.15 | starseeker | when making changes, developers send changes to the central server (sourceforge) to be saved |
| 00:36.49 | starseeker | so when you did "svn checkout" you were asking subversion to send you a copy of the source code and documentation with all the latest changes |
| 00:36.51 | jesica__ | the XML_CATAL.. comand call some binary of xsltproc and read destination file first and origin second? |
| 00:37.14 | jesica__ | i ask myself why the comand is so large |
| 00:37.33 | starseeker | it is being supplied many arguments - paths to files not in its local directory |
| 00:37.44 | starseeker | this is normally handled by our build system |
| 00:37.59 | starseeker | you can just type "make" and get html and pdf output (pdf only when fop is installed) |
| 00:38.16 | starseeker | up until now, only english documentation was available |
| 00:38.20 | starseeker | so build system assumed this |
| 00:38.26 | starseeker | now that assumption is not true |
| 00:38.33 | starseeker | so I am making the system more flexible |
| 00:38.50 | starseeker | once I am done, you will be able to tell the make process to build spanish documentation |
| 00:39.00 | starseeker | and you will just type "make" to get latest html/pdf |
| 00:39.17 | starseeker | commands are long still, but generated automatically |
| 00:42.26 | jesica__ | ...and reads destination file first and origin second? |
| 00:50.18 | ``Erik | grabs a serial line and heads back into the pit to fight the ARM thingie |
| 00:51.02 | starseeker | yes, although there is an additional argument between them |
| 00:51.19 | starseeker | run man xsltproc to see details |
| 00:58.33 | jesica__ | yes I see |
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| 01:12.50 | jesica__ | starseeker, good night, thanks again |
| 01:12.59 | starseeker | you're welcome! |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36841 10/brlcad/trunk/ (14 files in 9 dirs): |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: OK, this is very crude and has no awareness of posix locale stuff, but add the |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: ability to toggle doc building using --with-lang compile option. Currently, |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: only --with-lang=es will do anything, but it will switch off english doc |
| 01:47.14 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: building and build whatever spanish docs are available (currently lesson one). |
| 01:47.16 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: Needs much more work, but this will get it off the ground. |
| 01:47.54 | starseeker | phew |
| 01:50.12 | louipc | what if you just want to build everything? |
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| 02:34.25 | ``Erik | O.O |
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| 02:42.03 | ``Erik | FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE #0: Sat Dec 5 08:24:01 EST 2009 erik@fenris:/usr/obj/arm/usr/src/sys/DB-88F6XXX arm |
| 02:47.59 | starseeker | ``Erik: you got it? |
| 02:48.32 | starseeker | louipc: that's one of the reasons it's crude ;-) |
| 02:48.57 | starseeker | a "lang=all" option could turn on everything, I just have to set that up |
| 02:49.11 | starseeker | I just tonight got it doing any sort of conditional anything |
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| 03:01.03 | ``Erik | it's running, but via tftp/nfs... it's not liking the big honkin' usb disk very much and I haven't gotten around to making the bootloader understand ufs/ffs yet |
| 03:01.50 | ``Erik | had to fix a power supply to get the serial client working again to attach to the debug port O.o |
| 03:09.08 | starseeker | ow |
| 03:09.36 | starseeker | is awed by the lengths you are willing to go to to attain minimal computing power ;-) |
| 03:10.07 | starseeker | (he says as he glances at his hard disk full of things like original CADR lisp machine schematics...) |
| 03:11.18 | starseeker | grrrr - why does it not like the src/other Makefile.am setups... |
| 03:12.20 | ``Erik | given that you drive a civic, I find your awe at my selecting "adequate performance with superior efficiency" odd O.o :D *duck* |
| 03:15.00 | ``Erik | the only moving part in this beastie will be the hard drive O.o that's awesome right there |
| 03:16.26 | ``Erik | low power, tiny machine, nifty blue LED, unusual architecture... it's all awesome :D |
| 03:28.17 | starseeker | ``Erik: you're a cad weenie. There's no such thing as "adequate", there's only least inadquate :-P |
| 03:28.25 | starseeker | but yes, I concede the awesomeness |
| 03:28.43 | starseeker | especially when you hack it to have a solid state drive |
| 03:31.00 | ``Erik | heh, still consider myself more of a systems weenie than a cad weenie... :) |
| 03:31.16 | ``Erik | and it already has a 4G NAND flash drive in it |
| 03:31.32 | ``Erik | but I want to use the 1.5tb usb dealie |
| 03:31.43 | ``Erik | at least for bulk storage |
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| 04:02.22 | ``Erik | <-- watches the snow come down O.o |
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| 07:12.24 | superlinux | hi all |
| 07:14.41 | superlinux | well this is my 2nd day in brlcad and I want to know how can i keep the drawing display running as ogl if I just typed on the terminal "mged"? |
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| 09:02.40 | superlinux | dli, ? |
| 09:02.50 | superlinux | hi dli are you ther? |
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| 12:20.53 | dli | superlinux, hi |
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| 12:39.04 | superlinux | dli, hi |
| 12:39.14 | superlinux | you were lucky to find me |
| 12:39.21 | superlinux | well this is my 2nd day in brlcad and I want to know how can i keep the drawing display running as ogl if I just typed on the terminal "mged"? |
| 12:40.27 | superlinux | and I have another problem. the drawing display does not really keep refreshed |
| 12:40.44 | superlinux | __monty__, can you please help |
| 12:41.20 | __monty__ | I'm sorry I can't help you, I can't even get brlcad to run yet. |
| 12:41.28 | __monty__ | *mged |
| 12:41.47 | superlinux | I have to minimize then maximize the program to see it correctly |
| 12:41.57 | superlinux | __monty__, what are you using? |
| 12:42.03 | superlinux | i can help you |
| 12:42.20 | superlinux | Linux? |
| 12:42.23 | __monty__ | mac os X, if that's what you mean |
| 12:42.29 | superlinux | mmm |
| 12:42.40 | superlinux | I used Linux Ubuntu |
| 12:42.49 | superlinux | it ran off the box |
| 12:43.09 | __monty__ | It used to for me too, but now I get a Bus error. |
| 12:43.12 | superlinux | I mean out of the box |
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| 12:44.12 | __monty__ | Sorry, my laptop battery just ran out. |
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| 12:58.04 | superlinux | __monty__, the Linux version ran directly with me |
| 12:59.06 | __monty__ | Yeah, the mac version used to aswell, but now it doesn't. Or do you mean you're using the linux version on a mac? |
| 13:00.35 | superlinux | no |
| 13:01.05 | superlinux | I am using Ubuntu intel over a tochiba Laptop |
| 13:01.17 | superlinux | __monty__, |
| 13:01.28 | __monty__ | Ok. |
| 13:01.46 | superlinux | which BrlCAD version? |
| 13:02.01 | superlinux | i am using the x.10 |
| 13:02.16 | superlinux | i am using the 7.10 |
| 13:02.25 | __monty__ | Latest binary from brlcad.org, latest tarball, latest svn. |
| 13:02.30 | superlinux | th 7.12 not yet |
| 13:02.48 | superlinux | let me try compiling the 12 |
| 13:03.19 | __monty__ | Ok, your help is much appreciated. |
| 13:08.52 | superlinux | __monty__, it will take me some time to download it. I am in Lebanon and we have a basic DSL |
| 13:09.11 | __monty__ | That's ok. |
| 13:09.44 | __monty__ | Who could I complain when you're trying to help. |
| 13:13.57 | starseeker | erm |
| 13:13.59 | starseeker | cc1: warnings being treated as errors |
| 13:13.59 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/libbu/crashreport.c: In function âbu_crashreportâ: |
| 13:13.59 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/libbu/crashreport.c:75: error: format not a string literal and no format arguments |
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| 14:02.13 | ``Erik | opengl will not do 'shaded' displays nor will it give a significant performance increase, it's probably safer to use X |
| 14:02.50 | ``Erik | 7.10 and 7.12 are pretty old, should be on 7.16.2 these days |
| 14:03.55 | dli | superlinux, I'm dont know about opengl support. :( I guess you mean opengl |
| 14:07.33 | dli | superlinux, I checked ./configure, opengl support seems to be auto detected |
| 14:08.30 | dli | superlinux, or to specify, ./configure --with-ogl |
| 14:11.01 | starseeker | must not have synced stable right |
| 14:12.13 | superlinux | dli, ok |
| 14:12.55 | superlinux | dli, what i notcied is that the window where the drawing appears does not stay on |
| 14:13.30 | dli | superlinux, as <``Erik> says, maybe, you can play with and without opengl |
| 14:13.31 | superlinux | like i must minimize and maximize to make it clear |
| 14:15.05 | ``Erik | superlinux: the ogl display manager has a known issue where redraw events are not being sent correctly all the time... seriously, dude, use the X display, it's visually identical :) |
| 14:15.09 | superlinux | every time i move a window over it then i move it out of it that display turns grey |
| 14:15.35 | superlinux | so ``Erik how can i use the X display? |
| 14:15.44 | superlinux | i am still very new to this |
| 14:16.03 | dli | superlinux, try: ./configure --without-ogl |
| 14:16.13 | superlinux | the aims of using BRL is to migrate from Autocad on linux |
| 14:16.17 | ``Erik | um, should be the default, might try to do "detach" and "attach X" in the mged window? |
| 14:16.39 | superlinux | i have an already built binary |
| 14:16.46 | ``Erik | or set the FB_FILE or something, *shrug* I try not to touch a gui if possible, so'z I dunno |
| 14:16.47 | dli | ``Erik, I tried, minimizing, moving the display window, opengl is not causing any trouble here |
| 14:16.49 | superlinux | so is there an option? |
| 14:17.07 | ``Erik | dli: it's a tricky one to track, that's why it's not fixed yet... |
| 14:17.36 | ``Erik | I think someone (maybe starseeker) is going to re-write the OGL dm, which'll hopefully 'just work right' |
| 14:18.03 | ``Erik | a lot of the ogl stuff is slightly updated irisGL from the 80's :/ |
| 14:18.27 | superlinux | ok .. so the command is 'detach' then do 'attach X'? |
| 14:19.03 | dli | ``Erik, I see, but when it happens, good to try without ogl |
| 14:19.05 | starseeker | is THIS close to nuking stable and copying in trunk... dingnabbit I thought I had this synced! |
| 14:19.53 | ``Erik | starseeker: src/libbu$ svn diff -r36452:36077 vls.c <-- yeh... |
| 14:20.20 | ``Erik | superlinux: I think so.. starseeker would know better than me :D |
| 14:20.59 | starseeker | superlinux: what version of BRL-CAD are you using? |
| 14:21.22 | starseeker | ``Erik: can you tell what I messed up on the sync? |
| 14:21.27 | superlinux | 7.10 |
| 14:21.32 | starseeker | eeeep |
| 14:21.36 | superlinux | starseeker, |
| 14:21.47 | starseeker | are you able to compile a newer version? |
| 14:21.54 | superlinux | maybe |
| 14:22.07 | superlinux | cos it will take time downloading stuff |
| 14:22.16 | starseeker | ah |
| 14:22.27 | starseeker | superlinux: well, first try this |
| 14:22.28 | superlinux | what about the 7.10? |
| 14:22.29 | starseeker | mged -c |
| 14:22.33 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:22.54 | starseeker | when it asks what to attach, pick X |
| 14:23.04 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:23.18 | starseeker | that's the quick way to test |
| 14:23.33 | superlinux | all fine |
| 14:23.37 | superlinux | no problems yet |
| 14:23.44 | starseeker | ok |
| 14:23.45 | superlinux | brb 1 min max |
| 14:24.12 | starseeker | grrrr, sourceforge don't tell me you can't connect.... |
| 14:24.20 | starseeker | that's it |
| 14:25.03 | ``Erik | starseeker: never merged with subversion before, only CVS... looks like you may've merged 36452 to 36452? *shrug* |
| 14:25.36 | superlinux | ok back |
| 14:25.39 | superlinux | that was my mom |
| 14:26.07 | starseeker | ``Erik: could be - well, I can't get a steady enough connection to try the traditional route anyway... |
| 14:26.09 | superlinux | so what now? |
| 14:26.18 | superlinux | lemme see |
| 14:26.35 | starseeker | now I try to remember how to set the display manager in 7.10 in the Tk gui |
| 14:26.59 | starseeker | (bty, I'd start downloading the 7.16.2 source if you think you can build it - many new features in that release) |
| 14:27.05 | starseeker | btw rather |
| 14:28.19 | superlinux | starseeker, |
| 14:28.30 | superlinux | if i just typed mged |
| 14:28.31 | starseeker | superlinux: ok, you need to create a .mgedrc file (do this by starting up mged without the -c option, then under File there's a Create/update .mgedrc file |
| 14:28.44 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:28.51 | ``Erik | if starseeker hadn't screwed up the stable branch, I'd say check it out via svn so'z you can save the bandwidth during upgrades... *cough* O:-) |
| 14:29.10 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:29.17 | superlinux | i'll see the rc file |
| 14:29.34 | starseeker | there should be a line like set mged_default(dm_type) X |
| 14:29.42 | starseeker | or maybe set mged_default(dm_type) ogl |
| 14:29.45 | starseeker | you want the X one |
| 14:30.14 | starseeker | (edit the .mgedrc file with a text editor) |
| 14:31.05 | superlinux | ok sure |
| 14:31.12 | superlinux | just a moment |
| 14:32.20 | superlinux | done. restart mged? |
| 14:32.27 | superlinux | i feal so |
| 14:32.30 | superlinux | i feel so |
| 14:32.41 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36842 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/: OK, stable sync got royally messed up somehow. Clear it out - next commit will recreate STABLE from trunk. |
| 14:33.01 | superlinux | starseeker, ok all nice and great |
| 14:33.30 | superlinux | so this way means that thru X the openGL will work? |
| 14:34.30 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36843 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/: Re-create STABLE from trunk |
| 14:34.36 | starseeker | no, you aren't using opengl |
| 14:34.44 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:34.48 | superlinux | no problem |
| 14:34.56 | starseeker | we aren't to the point yet where it's critical |
| 14:35.11 | superlinux | now i tried opening a database file |
| 14:35.31 | superlinux | one of the sample files |
| 14:35.50 | superlinux | nothing yet.. or i have to wait more from you? |
| 14:37.16 | d_rossberg | how can i connect a proxy to the docbook build to get the draft image? |
| 14:37.37 | d_rossberg | superlinux: type "tops" |
| 14:37.43 | starseeker | um, what's a draft image? |
| 14:38.03 | d_rossberg | http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/images/draft.png |
| 14:38.37 | starseeker | superlinux: what database did you open? |
| 14:38.48 | starseeker | d_rossberg: good question - haven't tried using that |
| 14:40.00 | d_rossberg | this wasn't a question: type the word "tops" into the mged terminal |
| 14:41.22 | starseeker | superlinux: did that work? |
| 14:41.39 | d_rossberg | superlinux: what do you get returned from this command? |
| 14:42.00 | starseeker | d_rossberg: my guess is you need to define a customization xslt stylesheet, like what we're going to need to do for the translations - we aren't (quite) there yet but we're getting pretty close |
| 14:44.45 | starseeker | if it's a bit more "built in" you might be able to modify catalog.xml |
| 14:45.34 | d_rossberg | starseeker: google says (tm) i have to set the proxy in java because docbook uses java |
| 14:46.06 | starseeker | um |
| 14:46.21 | d_rossberg | but i don't know how to set the proxy in java either |
| 14:46.24 | starseeker | some of the docbook tools use java (specifically fop) but unless you're doing pdf it's not an issue |
| 14:46.57 | starseeker | d_rossberg: I must admit I'm not a genius with Docbook - I barely got fop doing out of directory pdf generation :-( |
| 14:47.37 | starseeker | we intend to get more sophisticated, but right now we're pretty basic :-( |
| 14:49.11 | starseeker | I'm seeing this: <xsl:param name="draft.mode">yes</xsl:param> |
| 14:49.23 | starseeker | but we don't have anywhere to put such settings yet |
| 14:50.38 | ``Erik | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/epic-fail-christmas-lights-fail.jpg |
| 14:51.41 | starseeker | ``Erik: that's sure to have some parents doing a lot of unwanted explaining to some children |
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| 14:53.06 | imad_ | d_rossberg, i have typed tops |
| 14:53.15 | imad_ | then what should i do? |
| 14:59.17 | d_rossberg | imad_: look at the return you got, what is it? |
| 14:59.44 | imad_ | d_rossberg, then? i just see a listing of maybe tables or files |
| 15:01.09 | d_rossberg | this is fine, is there an all or all.g (for example) |
| 15:02.05 | d_rossberg | what you see there is a list of the top elements in your BRL-CAD database |
| 15:03.51 | imad_ | d_rossberg, _GLOBAL all/ |
| 15:03.51 | imad_ | that's the cray.g of the samples distributed |
| 15:04.28 | d_rossberg | imad_: now type "e all" |
| 15:06.45 | imad_ | ok |
| 15:07.33 | d_rossberg | now you should see something in the black window |
| 15:07.40 | imad_ | ok |
| 15:10.42 | imad_ | d_rossberg, now i tried with the other objects |
| 15:10.44 | d_rossberg | now you could type "rt" to see a nice picture and click on the help entry in the menu of the mged window to get the tutotial etc. |
| 15:10.58 | imad_ | I understood that "e" is to view one of the listings |
| 15:11.07 | imad_ | ok |
| 15:17.23 | imad_ | d_rossberg, whenever i type rt, i get a black screen |
| 15:17.30 | imad_ | so? |
| 15:17.53 | imad_ | it's a full black screen |
| 15:18.15 | imad_ | or a full screen in black |
| 15:23.19 | starseeker | try this: rt -F/dev/X |
| 15:23.35 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:24.36 | superlinux | starseeker, you are its man! |
| 15:25.11 | starseeker | the first raytrace tried to use opengl - thats one of our opengl bugs |
| 15:25.14 | superlinux | it worked |
| 15:25.14 | superlinux | awesome! and cool |
| 15:25.58 | superlinux | starseeker, but i just want for example to draw basic stuff, like a line or whatever if very basic geometry |
| 15:26.20 | starseeker | superlinux: we do 3D geometry (spheres, etc.) |
| 15:26.33 | starseeker | superlinux: sounds like you are ready for this: |
| 15:26.51 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/w/images/c/cf/Introduction_to_MGED.pdf |
| 15:27.41 | superlinux | what i want is to let people to easily convert to Linux. there is LinuxCAD though it's not free. Quick CAD as far as i heard is has a problem with huge DXF files |
| 15:28.32 | superlinux | starseeker, got the point? |
| 15:30.02 | superlinux | and the rc file is not as far as i see easily editable. I am a programmer. i understand that i should be participating in such nice project, and i understand that i am using an older version. |
| 15:30.40 | superlinux | however my aims is migration |
| 15:30.52 | superlinux | migration to linux |
| 15:30.55 | starseeker | superlinux: we know our usability is weak - we're working on a next generation GUI (you can see the prototype by typing archer) |
| 15:31.14 | superlinux | i did.. it did not run |
| 15:31.32 | superlinux | starseeker, the gui is not as important as the commands them selves |
| 15:31.46 | starseeker | if you want to import a dxf file, try dxf-g |
| 15:32.06 | superlinux | they seem to be much like the cisco router commands or a C++ language in the way they are a standard |
| 15:32.30 | starseeker | actually, we use tcl for our command line |
| 15:32.53 | superlinux | i meant people find that the Autocad commands are now a standard with time |
| 15:33.19 | starseeker | I doubt a lot of AutoCAD commands would map directly to BRL-CAD |
| 15:33.30 | superlinux | can't you wrap the TCL under the Autocad commands? |
| 15:33.57 | starseeker | superlinux: what you should do is read the Introduction, see how BRL-CAD works, and then see if AutoCAD commands can map to BRL-CAD |
| 15:34.08 | superlinux | mmm |
| 15:34.12 | starseeker | my guess is the systems' underlying assumptions are often too different |
| 15:34.22 | starseeker | BRL-CAD is a solid 3D CSG modeler |
| 15:34.29 | superlinux | true |
| 15:34.38 | starseeker | AutoCAD has some 3D stuff, but they focus on 2D quite a lot as I understand it |
| 15:34.41 | starseeker | we don't do much 2D |
| 15:34.49 | superlinux | what i know is that autocad deos 3D too |
| 15:35.10 | superlinux | so you need someone to write the 2d? don't you? |
| 15:35.32 | starseeker | if someone wants to volunteer that would be great :-) |
| 15:35.39 | superlinux | ok good |
| 15:35.51 | starseeker | but don't underestimate the amount of work involved |
| 15:35.58 | superlinux | i'll see how to integrate some of the commands |
| 15:36.03 | superlinux | i know |
| 15:36.10 | superlinux | i'll see how |
| 15:36.26 | starseeker | you will likely find you have to create the functionality to support the commands, and that has to be done in such a way as to integrate into BRL-CAD proper |
| 15:36.47 | starseeker | if you see brlcad in the channel, talk to him - he's the lead designer/developer |
| 15:37.00 | superlinux | starseeker, what if for example i set a cylinder to be a line? |
| 15:37.05 | superlinux | is that ok? |
| 15:37.21 | starseeker | um - it may work in some applications |
| 15:37.41 | starseeker | it heavily depends on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 15:37.42 | superlinux | llike make miniature the 3D objects to 2D |
| 15:38.22 | superlinux | all i want is the architechtural plans you see for building houses and such and such |
| 15:38.35 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 15:38.41 | starseeker | take a look at rtedge |
| 15:38.46 | superlinux | thats what makes true money! |
| 15:38.58 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:39.18 | starseeker | there is also some work currently going on on an annotation primitive that will help with blueprints |
| 15:40.16 | superlinux | ah~! you call them blue prints such maps? |
| 15:40.26 | superlinux | then be it |
| 15:40.31 | starseeker | that's usually what people want ;-) |
| 15:40.37 | superlinux | yes |
| 15:40.54 | starseeker | it's a frequent request, but not the focus of our full time developers |
| 15:41.01 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/havoc_rtedge.png.html |
| 15:41.05 | starseeker | that's rtedge |
| 15:41.09 | superlinux | like the 1st thing i thought i can do is type line on mged |
| 15:41.17 | starseeker | nope :-) |
| 15:41.32 | starseeker | superlinux: I REALLY suggest reading that tutorial |
| 15:41.41 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:41.44 | superlinux | i'll check |
| 15:41.51 | starseeker | you will need to understand BRL-CAD to understand how to do the job correctly |
| 15:41.57 | superlinux | maybe i can get some funding for the part |
| 15:44.11 | superlinux | starseeker, how can i save the "-F/dev/X" part in the rt* commands? |
| 15:44.33 | superlinux | can i alias the commands rt and rtedge? |
| 15:46.17 | starseeker | you can create alias commands in .mgedrc |
| 15:46.37 | superlinux | how? |
| 15:47.05 | superlinux | e.g. alias rt='rt -F/dev/X'? |
| 15:47.12 | superlinux | is'n't? |
| 15:51.04 | superlinux | starseeker, sorry if i bugged you with so many questions. please, look at this picture with blue background. this is a blueprint of course. such things i want to be able to do |
| 15:51.12 | superlinux | http://www.aviationshoppe.com/AT-6-Texan.html |
| 15:53.14 | starseeker | superlinux: irc is an "in and out" communication method - not always realtime |
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| 16:07.52 | starseeker | superlinux: there's a file mgedrc.html in the distribution, I believe |
| 16:08.38 | starseeker | you basically use proc |
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| 16:14.16 | starseeker | growl - make dmg requires root |
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| 17:41.25 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, it has to go admin to mount/demount disk images with proper access |
| 17:42.06 | __monty__ | brlcad, Did you receive my memo's? |
| 17:45.09 | brlcad | yes, just read them :) |
| 17:45.34 | brlcad | that's pretty informative backtrace, thanks |
| 17:45.45 | __monty__ | No problem. |
| 17:46.49 | __monty__ | About the 'p dmp' and 'p pubvars' , did I enter them right? I just entered them on the gdb prompt after the backtrace. |
| 17:47.04 | brlcad | you did, I forgot those are #defines |
| 17:47.10 | brlcad | you still have that session? |
| 17:47.54 | brlcad | hm, actually dmp should have worked |
| 17:48.07 | __monty__ | Yeah I have the session open still. |
| 17:48.25 | brlcad | but since I make one of the X11 calls a function instead of a macro, you need to go up the stack |
| 17:48.29 | brlcad | type "up" |
| 17:48.32 | brlcad | then p dmp |
| 17:49.05 | brlcad | p screen |
| 17:49.21 | __monty__ | Should I paste the output directly into irc? Or go via pastebin? |
| 17:49.53 | brlcad | pastebin if it's more than like 5 lines |
| 17:50.04 | brlcad | otherwise here is fine |
| 17:50.15 | __monty__ | Ok. |
| 17:50.54 | __monty__ | http://paste.bzflag.bz/d51d71b45 |
| 17:51.36 | brlcad | p *dmp |
| 17:51.41 | brlcad | p screen |
| 17:51.41 | brlcad | p screenp *screen |
| 17:51.47 | brlcad | p pubvars |
| 17:51.49 | brlcad | p *pubvars |
| 17:53.18 | __monty__ | http://paste.bzflag.bz/m37757de here you go. |
| 17:55.07 | __monty__ | I hope it's helpful =) |
| 17:56.26 | brlcad | too |
| 18:03.54 | brlcad | very helpful! |
| 18:04.13 | __monty__ | cheers. |
| 18:04.15 | brlcad | .... looks like XDefaultScreenOfDisplay() is returning the screen number, not the screen pointer |
| 18:04.57 | brlcad | which isn't right! |
| 18:05.22 | __monty__ | The bastard! |
| 18:06.02 | ``Erik | (screen number, or NULL?) |
| 18:06.31 | ``Erik | hm, 0x50? O.o |
| 18:09.14 | brlcad | yeah, that's gotta be some error code |
| 18:10.09 | brlcad | i should probably just rewrite libdm-X |
| 18:10.22 | ``Erik | libdm-SDL ftw |
| 18:10.23 | brlcad | the X11 code there is a really old method |
| 18:11.17 | brlcad | that's a possibility, probably even easier, but begrudging adding a new dep |
| 18:11.33 | brlcad | specially since tk should work just fine and with no added complexity |
| 18:11.50 | ``Erik | yeh, came up in a discussion with starseeker at one point |
| 18:12.21 | brlcad | that's just what I should do, finish off the one there, but got other code to finish up first before going down that rabbit hole |
| 18:13.08 | __monty__ | tries to drag brlcad down the rabbit hole. |
| 18:14.11 | ``Erik | oh my |
| 18:40.43 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36844 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: untested. try to avoid the X11 calls entirely during initialization, only making the corresponding Tk calls. XDefaultScreenOfDisplay() is return 0x50 on __monty__'s system for some unknown reason. |
| 18:40.45 | brlcad | __monty__: give that a try (unfortunately can't test it myself at the moment) |
| 18:42.03 | __monty__ | How do I give it a try? |
| 19:09.16 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36845 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: wrap the new tk calls in HAVE_TK so we can compile clean |
| 19:09.32 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36846 10/brlcad/trunk/include/dm.h: ws indent cleanup |
| 19:09.54 | brlcad | __monty__: run "svn up", then rebuild/reinstall |
| 19:19.22 | brlcad | don't have to rebuild everything, just "make && make install" |
| 19:19.33 | brlcad | it'll just rebuild the pieces that got updated |
| 19:21.30 | starseeker | is considering going down the dm-tk rabbit hole |
| 19:21.49 | starseeker | if it works and works well, would it get rid of all the other non-opengl dms? |
| 19:22.50 | brlcad | many of them |
| 19:22.54 | brlcad | not all of them |
| 19:23.11 | starseeker | well, I suppose plot and ps |
| 19:23.47 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:43.02 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36847 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libgcv/region_end.c: ws indent comment cleanup |
| 19:43.25 | __monty__ | Sorry for the late reply, I was studying. I took the 'run svn up' literaly, the terminal outputted: Skipped '.' |
| 19:43.42 | __monty__ | Should I now just run make and then make install? |
| 19:45.44 | __monty__ | I probably should have cd'ed to the source directory first, shouldn't I? |
| 19:47.08 | starseeker | that might help _) |
| 19:47.09 | starseeker | :-) |
| 19:47.46 | __monty__ | Am I the only mac user with problems running brlcad? |
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| 19:48.22 | starseeker | __monty__: there are some glitches we know about |
| 19:51.49 | __monty__ | Ok I did the svn up, make && make install. Now when I try launching mged I get the following output: WARNING: screen number is [0] \n Bus error |
| 19:52.10 | starseeker | um - __monty__ can you run in gdb again? |
| 19:52.18 | __monty__ | I sure can |
| 19:53.09 | __monty__ | Up to backtrace or all the other ones, like p dmp too? |
| 19:53.21 | starseeker | let's see where it's dying first |
| 19:53.25 | starseeker | is it the same place? |
| 19:53.54 | starseeker | er, yeah, up to backtrace first |
| 19:54.13 | __monty__ | #0 blablba in X_open_dm blabalbal :399 |
| 19:54.34 | __monty__ | I'll paste it to pastebin if you want. |
| 19:55.03 | starseeker | __monty__: let me check that dm-X line |
| 19:55.48 | __monty__ | http://paste.bzflag.bz/m54705f56 |
| 19:57.27 | starseeker | __monty__: hmm. can you do: print privars->pix ? |
| 19:58.06 | brlcad | p *dmp |
| 19:58.13 | starseeker | er, yeah :-) |
| 19:58.21 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36848 10/isst/trunk/src/local_worker.c: make cut ray fire the right direction |
| 19:58.21 | brlcad | and p *privars :) |
| 19:58.32 | __monty__ | 'print privars->pix' gives me $1 = 0 |
| 19:58.35 | brlcad | curious if it got the right width/height |
| 19:58.47 | starseeker | yeah, sorry - I always get that wrong the first time I debug anything |
| 19:59.01 | brlcad | oooh, DefaultRootWindow.. another X11 call |
| 19:59.06 | brlcad | that's the crasher |
| 19:59.56 | starseeker | flips up dm-tk.c and eyes it... |
| 19:59.59 | brlcad | looks like if you start with Tk windows, you have to stik with them .. maybe something in 8.5 not playing nicely with the Mac X11 hearsheaders |
| 20:00.02 | __monty__ | http://paste.bzflag.bz/m1ae647d5 |
| 20:00.48 | brlcad | because it's the Display* and Visual* that one gets from Tk_Display() .. that isn't working with any X11 call |
| 20:01.14 | brlcad | bah, it didn't get width/height, thx __monty__ |
| 20:01.25 | __monty__ | No problem. |
| 20:01.38 | starseeker | __monty__: you can run xterm and other X11 apps OK, right? |
| 20:01.55 | __monty__ | yep xterm, inkscape, gimp |
| 20:02.01 | starseeker | hmm |
| 20:02.19 | __monty__ | I don't run x11 often by the way. |
| 20:03.39 | brlcad | ahhh, starting to get a handle on this |
| 20:03.52 | brlcad | Tk_CreateWindowFromPath() is very informative |
| 20:08.10 | starseeker | arrgh |
| 20:08.17 | starseeker | gets badness |
| 20:09.44 | starseeker | X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 53 (X_CreatePixmap) Serial number of failed request: 343 Current serial number in output stream: 344 |
| 20:15.57 | __monty__ | Good night all, if you need me to test something send me a memo. |
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| 20:30.53 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, I busted it a couple days ago I think |
| 20:31.04 | brlcad | working on it |
| 20:31.12 | starseeker | np |
| 20:31.27 | brlcad | curious, why didn't you use HIDDEN in that HIDDEN_DM_... define? |
| 20:31.38 | brlcad | instead of duplicating the two cases |
| 20:32.08 | starseeker | um |
| 20:32.26 | brlcad | intentional? oversight? |
| 20:32.39 | starseeker | oversight |
| 20:32.54 | starseeker | think I hit a build error and just did something to get it going |
| 20:33.27 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36849 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: ws, more verbose quellage |
| 20:34.26 | brlcad | o.O hm, okay |
| 20:35.19 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36850 10/brlcad/trunk/include/dm.h: collapse into just one HIDDEN_DM_FUNCTION_PROTOTYPES(), use HIDDEN |
| 20:35.38 | starseeker | did I do something stupid again? |
| 20:37.52 | starseeker | is sure he has done a lot of dumb stuff on the dm side of things |
| 20:46.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36851 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-tk.c: Stub out the new functions needed after the libdm struct changes |
| 20:56.17 | starseeker | brlcad: is there a quick way to enable the dm-tk build? |
| 21:02.21 | ``Erik | hack the gibso^Wmakefile |
| 21:03.12 | starseeker | ``Erik: it looks like it's set up to conditionally build, but I'm not sure what makes DM_TK "true" |
| 21:03.35 | starseeker | (apparently "WITH_TK" is not set to true for the default enable-all?) |
| 21:04.47 | ``Erik | it's forced to off in configure.ac |
| 21:04.54 | ``Erik | 3685 |
| 21:05.00 | starseeker | ah, thanks |
| 21:05.35 | ``Erik | easiest would be to muck with the values of WITH_TK_TRUE and WITH_TK_FALSE in the Makefile itself |
| 21:07.09 | starseeker | well, I need all this to propigate through so I can use dmtype set to try switching to tk |
| 21:07.18 | starseeker | so it's probably not just one Makefile |
| 21:07.54 | ``Erik | hm, hack configure.ac, change [ "xno" = "xyes" ] to [ "xyes" = "xyes" ] or something? |
| 21:08.18 | starseeker | yeah, there's actually a valid but commented out test right below it |
| 21:08.24 | starseeker | re-enabled and is testing now |
| 21:08.51 | starseeker | doubt I have the chops to actually make it work but I'll take a poke and see where it's at |
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| 21:27.08 | brlcad | starseeker: all the DM_* are from configure |
| 21:27.24 | brlcad | rather, toggled high up, then conditionalized in the Makefile.am |
| 21:28.29 | brlcad | which right now looks like it toggled via --with-tk |
| 21:30.48 | starseeker | ``Erik spotted it - it was forced off |
| 21:33.43 | starseeker | urk |
| 21:33.51 | starseeker | turns off WITH_TK in libfb |
| 21:34.27 | starseeker | one problem child at a time |
| 21:44.15 | brlcad | you're working on libdm or libfb? |
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| 22:15.59 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36852 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/ (camera.c render_internal.h): stash a copy of the tie struct in render for use in init() functions |
| 22:20.19 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36853 10/isst/trunk/src/local_worker.c: remove debugging printf |
| 22:20.39 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36854 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/cut.c: color intersected regions |
| 22:32.23 | starseeker | brlcad: libdm |
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| 22:32.44 | starseeker | although "workign on" is probably a bit strong - more like "exploring" |
| 22:50.05 | starseeker | blinks - aside from a rather odd notion of what the center of the screen is, this tk dm isn't doing bad at all |
| 22:52.11 | starseeker | (he says as he tries to switch to rtgl and mged crashes...) |
| 22:53.09 | starseeker | in fact, it already moves the havoc wireframe around more easily than X does |
| 22:53.47 | starseeker | nifty |
| 23:13.33 | starseeker | gives --enable-aqua-tk a try and is surprised to see libdm complain about undefined Tk symbols... hmm |
| 23:25.01 | starseeker | ooooo |
| 23:25.05 | starseeker | that makes sense... |
| 23:25.28 | starseeker | DM_LIBS doesn't HAVE tk if building without X11... |
| 23:26.28 | ``Erik | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/728/ an oldie but a goodie |
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| 01:08.04 | ``Erik | pixar intro parody http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1921845 |
| 01:13.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36855 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): |
| 01:13.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: Take a few baby steps towards dm-tk + aquatk. Try to turn on ITK when aquatk is |
| 01:13.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: on, itcl is being built and x11 is off, avoid a few X11/Xutil.h includes in the |
| 01:13.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: DM_TK sections, disable the tk framebuffer stuff until the tk display manager |
| 01:13.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: gets sorted out. Trying this with aquatk as it is a good way to ensure no X11 |
| 01:13.34 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: requirements in the tk display manager - hopefully this doesn't break |
| 01:13.36 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: anything... |
| 01:14.20 | starseeker | crosses fingers that ``Erik won't have more ammo to raz him about tomorrow... |
| 01:15.43 | ``Erik | if I run out, I"ll just start making stuff up :D |
| 01:16.17 | starseeker | mged won't come up with that setup (tk_open_dm fails) but amusingly enough archer does (but can't open a model without ogl, of course) |
| 01:16.24 | starseeker | heh |
| 01:17.20 | starseeker | much more annoyingly, we don't seem to have the ttk aqua them available |
| 01:18.59 | starseeker | wonder if we need to pass a build flag in or something |
| 01:26.23 | starseeker | humph - not even close - close X11 and nothing happens |
| 01:26.31 | starseeker | doggone it |
| 01:32.32 | starseeker | are we even building tk aqua in the first place? |
| 01:34.30 | starseeker | uh oh |
| 01:34.56 | starseeker | grep, why didn't you see a tk/unix configure line with aqua... |
| 01:38.03 | starseeker | woot |
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| 01:38.48 | starseeker | dunno why aqua wasn't getting triggered in the tk build - have to look into that - but manually doing it works |
| 01:39.04 | starseeker | menus aren't working for some reason... |
| 01:45.34 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/mged_aquatk_1st.png (OK, it's not really the first - brlcad has done this before - but first for me) |
| 01:45.57 | starseeker | for some reason archer is glued to the upper left corner |
| 01:46.01 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/archer_aquatk_1st.png |
| 01:47.15 | starseeker | oh, there we go |
| 01:49.06 | starseeker | apparently the clam theme doesn't play well with aquatk |
| 01:49.18 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/archer_aquatk_aquatheme.png |
| 01:51.14 | starseeker | no, now it's doing it again |
| 01:51.15 | starseeker | weird |
| 01:51.18 | starseeker | oh well, details |
| 01:52.53 | starseeker | heads home |
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| 02:32.33 | brlcad | starseeker: a great way to "explore" a code is to clean it up :) |
| 02:33.01 | brlcad | quell warnings, restructure for no forward decls, remove dead code, cleanup comments ;) |
| 02:35.50 | brlcad | starseeker: hah, that's pretty awesome that you even got that far... been a LONG while since I've seen MGED in that mode :) |
| 02:36.12 | brlcad | looks like aquatk is coming along a lot better than it was at first! |
| 02:37.14 | brlcad | you got that far just by turning everything back on, eh? |
| 02:45.22 | starseeker | brlcad: more or less |
| 02:48.03 | brlcad | heh, that's surprising, but cool |
| 02:48.31 | starseeker | you can see what I did in commit 36855 - that's it except for manually doing an --enable-aquatk in tk/unix |
| 02:48.34 | brlcad | exciting actually, that we could be sans x11 on mac os x ... :) |
| 02:48.47 | brlcad | really would bump the priority of getting a brl-cad terminal going |
| 02:48.53 | starseeker | grins evilly |
| 02:49.03 | starseeker | would LOVE to ditch X11 |
| 02:49.08 | brlcad | yeah, I was reading the patch |
| 02:49.28 | starseeker | ticklish part was the ITK build detection - still not sure I got that totally right |
| 02:49.47 | starseeker | and I haven't messed with the tk framebuffer at all yet, so no raytracing |
| 02:49.50 | brlcad | was libfb horked? |
| 02:49.56 | brlcad | noticed you disabled it |
| 02:51.35 | brlcad | or just keeping it simple |
| 02:51.39 | starseeker | keeping it simple |
| 02:51.55 | starseeker | I might have been able to ditch an X11 header and move forward, but I didn't want to complicate things |
| 02:52.00 | starseeker | figured dm first, then fb |
| 02:52.27 | brlcad | the AM_CONDITIONAL isn't probably what it needs to be |
| 02:52.50 | starseeker | yeah, figured |
| 02:52.53 | brlcad | build_brlcad_itcl is the switch, the other tests should affect that switch |
| 02:53.18 | starseeker | um - apparently if not building X11 or tk itcl is on but itk is off |
| 02:53.24 | starseeker | at least, that's what happened |
| 02:53.53 | brlcad | in the section where that var is tested/set, can test for the other two vars |
| 02:54.01 | brlcad | yeah, I think that was just part of the X11 weeding |
| 02:54.23 | starseeker | oh - so there isn't a scenario with itcl but not itk? |
| 02:54.26 | brlcad | to get it compiling on a system that didn't have X11 |
| 02:54.29 | starseeker | that would vastily simplify things |
| 02:54.49 | starseeker | um - itk works with aquatk (apparently) |
| 02:54.56 | starseeker | otherwise archer wouldn't aquify |
| 02:55.24 | brlcad | yeah, that's where aquatk changes the logic |
| 02:55.42 | starseeker | what really bothers me is why the aquatk tk build wasn't triggered by --enable-aquatk |
| 02:55.53 | starseeker | might have had a stale compile or something I suppose... |
| 02:57.29 | brlcad | logic should be something like "if x11 or aquatk, traverse into tk/itk" |
| 02:58.44 | starseeker | I think it's at 3910 in configure.ac |
| 02:59.08 | brlcad | you have a system Tk it was using? |
| 02:59.10 | starseeker | looks OK, but I didn't see any subconfigure of tk |
| 02:59.13 | brlcad | enable-all and it should have enabled |
| 02:59.15 | starseeker | not intentionally |
| 02:59.22 | starseeker | I had enable-all |
| 02:59.35 | brlcad | should see --enable-aqua in config.log head |
| 02:59.43 | brlcad | (for tk's config.log) |
| 02:59.54 | brlcad | that's the toggle |
| 03:00.02 | brlcad | it obviously worked :) |
| 03:00.23 | starseeker | no, only when I manually did a cd into tk/unix and configured it myself |
| 03:02.57 | starseeker | brlcad: if you're on a mac at home you can give it a whirl :-) |
| 03:03.53 | starseeker | DID see --enable-aqua appear in the configure lines for misc/enigma and the other subconfigures, but I didn't see any triggering of a tk subconfigure at all |
| 03:07.25 | starseeker | I think I did ./configure --enable-all --enable-aquatk --disable-X11 or some such |
| 03:21.54 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36856 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libgcv/region_end.c: |
| 03:21.54 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: flatten and simplify the logic a little bit. make vars accessed post jump |
| 03:21.54 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 'static' in order to quell compilation warnings about setjmp/longjmp possibly |
| 03:21.54 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: clobbering their register data. as static, they should be safe (but now this |
| 03:21.55 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: routine isn't thread safe (not that it likely was to begin with)). |
| 03:21.57 | brlcad | huh, was tk enabled? |
| 03:23.18 | brlcad | wonder what compiler rev was reporting that jmp clobbage |
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| 06:14.48 | superlinux | starseeker, hi |
| 06:15.10 | superlinux | where can i find the itk 3.2 to download it? |
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| 13:57.59 | ``Erik | brlcad: get it iwth both apple 4.0.1 and fbsd 4.2.1 |
| 14:20.59 | starseeker | cc1: warnings being treated as errors |
| 14:20.59 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/libbu/crashreport.c: In function âbu_crashreportâ: |
| 14:20.59 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/libbu/crashreport.c:75: error: format not a string literal and no format arguments |
| 14:21.02 | starseeker | make[2]: *** [crashreport.lo] Error 1 |
| 14:21.04 | starseeker | that's an fprintf |
| 14:21.11 | starseeker | erm |
| 14:22.24 | starseeker | wouldn't the snprintf to the buffer set up a string literal for the fprintf? |
| 14:23.21 | starseeker | heads in |
| 14:23.55 | ``Erik | neither of my boxen freak out on it |
| 14:24.06 | ``Erik | though changing it to fprintf(fp, "%s", buf); might help? |
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| 14:44.00 | ``Erik | "at&t to put 5gb cap on iphone" nice |
| 15:09.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36857 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: |
| 15:09.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: add an initial high-level integration test harness for chatting with the |
| 15:09.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: geometry service. this stubs out some basic connections, probing and reporting |
| 15:09.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: on the status of functionality. the client and server classes next need to get |
| 15:09.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: filled out with an interaction with the actual GS protocol (either low-level or |
| 15:09.16 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: via classes) but the intent is a dependency-free test of the protocol. |
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| 15:09.43 | brlcad | grr |
| 15:14.01 | ``Erik | dude, peer must have it out for you |
| 15:22.28 | brlcad | hits the road, late |
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| 16:23.43 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36858 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (metaball/metaball.c table.c): rt_metaball_get (for g2asc) |
| 16:24.41 | ``Erik | flees before people yell at him for that |
| 16:42.20 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36859 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/linebuf.c: ws |
| 16:44.18 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36860 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/crashreport.c: |
| 16:44.18 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: quell warning about fprintf without a string literal. that was intentionally |
| 16:44.18 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: done to avoid fprintf needing to utilize an expansion buffer (whether on stack |
| 16:44.18 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: or heap) in case we're crashing hard. instead, change up the fprintf with an |
| 16:44.18 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: fwrite since that's the intent anyways, to just write out some bytes. make the |
| 16:44.19 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: file stream unbuffered while we're at it. |
| 16:48.37 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36861 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/crashreport.c: convert the other fprintfs to fwrite too except for the handful of static strings, leave them as fprintf. |
| 16:52.49 | brlcad | wonders why anyone would yell at him for adding in g2asc support.. |
| 16:53.08 | brlcad | shoulda had it from the get-go |
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| 17:16.32 | starseeker | hmm |
| 17:16.39 | brlcad | yeah, boo hiss |
| 17:16.51 | starseeker | server hickup? |
| 17:17.05 | brlcad | server katapulted |
| 17:18.07 | starseeker | ow |
| 17:18.55 | starseeker | tries aquatk again from a clean build to see if tk/unix gets the word... |
| 17:20.46 | starseeker | ok, there's the configure line this time :-) |
| 17:20.56 | starseeker | let there be make |
| 17:24.27 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36862 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: make the various sections more distinct with some comment formatting. add another one for testing event notifications. |
| 17:43.10 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36863 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: comment out what the classes are, what they are meant to represent. break out the macros into multiple lines and add a check to make sure the server stays running. |
| 17:45.06 | starseeker | oh, I'm wrong - the menus aren't missing, they're just where apple puts 'em |
| 18:01.26 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36864 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: make sure the server will restart |
| 18:02.22 | brlcad | new screenshot? |
| 18:03.47 | starseeker | oh, sure :-) one sec |
| 18:05.33 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36865 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: Don't turn off TK building if X11 isn't there anymore. |
| 18:05.35 | starseeker | bet that was my Tk problem |
| 18:06.15 | ``Erik | the busted-assed twisty maze of code for v4 vs v5 is a pain |
| 18:12.34 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36866 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: additional tests for getting .g representations, persisting geometry versions, and server-side raytracing. |
| 18:12.57 | brlcad | something other than havoc would be nice too :) |
| 18:13.22 | starseeker | brlcad: now you tell me :-P |
| 18:13.27 | starseeker | remaking... |
| 18:14.58 | starseeker | erm - well - here's the havoc one, I'll make another one in a second... http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/mged_aqua_withmenu.png |
| 18:21.57 | starseeker | brlcad: how about this: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/mged_aqua_jeep.png |
| 18:33.43 | ``Erik | are you sure we have enough havoc screenshots? |
| 18:39.35 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh |
| 18:39.45 | starseeker | I use that one because the wireframe is a pain in the neck |
| 18:40.30 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36867 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/cut.c: use VJOIN1 instead of VCOMB2 |
| 18:46.51 | starseeker | oo - tkhtml3 doesn't like aqua |
| 18:46.56 | starseeker | crud |
| 18:47.09 | ``Erik | *cough* O:-) |
| 18:47.31 | ``Erik | nifty, toyjeep doesn't facetize wel |
| 18:51.43 | ``Erik | niftier, pinewood facetizes the two starboard wheels, but not the two port wheels. |
| 19:19.53 | starseeker | good - aquatk now compile straight. Time to figure out what's busted and why |
| 19:38.57 | starseeker | ok, looks like the tk framebuffer isn't as far along |
| 21:00.40 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36868 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp PullbackCurve.cpp): Cleaned up check_pullback_seam_bridge() in pullback code, also adjusted bounds of linear extrude, conical and cylindrical surfaces. Added some debugging code related to trimming curves crossing seam bounaries(still WIP). |
| 21:04.05 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36869 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: Added code to push 2d UV coordinates back into domain for closed surfaces that have wrapped past the seam. |
| 21:07.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36870 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: Make sure 'ctree' assigned to NULL when trims are removed ( starts without trims in STEP converter) |
| 21:27.40 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36871 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/html/manuals/archer/ (Archer_Documentation.chm Makefile.am): Opened this on a Windows box, no content to speak of in it (same as the tool on Linux tried earlier) - byebye |
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| 22:42.34 | brlcad | nice screenshots starseeker |
| 22:42.47 | brlcad | queues them up |
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| 23:34.36 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36872 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libwdb/ (Makefile.am metaball.c): beginnings of mk_metaball. Not adding it to wdb.h as I don't think I like the signature. |
| 23:41.04 | yukonbob | indeed, screenshots are look clean and cool. |
| 23:41.20 | yukonbob | s/are look/look/ |
| 23:43.20 | ``Erik | scratches his brain |
| 23:46.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36873 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libwdb/metaball.c: erm, already was an entry in wdb.h, just no implementation |
| 23:47.24 | ``Erik | what the flying hell |
| 23:49.03 | ``Erik | how the feck did it compile earlier? O.o |
| 23:49.11 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36874 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libwdb/ (Makefile.am metaball.c): ... already had it |
| 23:49.16 | starseeker | ``Erik: welcome to my world :) |
| 23:49.46 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:50.53 | starseeker | brlcad: apparently archer help is "not yet implemented" |
| 23:59.12 | ``Erik | bah |
| 23:59.37 | ``Erik | all that work is sitting in an editor window screwed up because those ... people can't figure out the difference between 5:00 and 3:30 |
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| 00:40.31 | ``Erik | nifty http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1925317 |
| 01:23.03 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36875 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: stub out getDirectory and addObject, expanding the calls throughout |
| 01:25.07 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36876 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: do the dir comparison assert |
| 01:40.30 | brlcad | ``Erik: src/libwdb/wdb.c |
| 01:40.56 | brlcad | you'd stubbed something in there earlier (which was busted), I made it unbusted a few months back but mostly left the signature you stubbed |
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| 01:55.21 | ``Erik | noticed a bit ago, fergot I'd done anything at all heh |
| 01:55.44 | ``Erik | needs to be wired to 'put' or something, I guess |
| 02:00.02 | brlcad | src/proc-db/metaball.c calls that mk_metaball() now |
| 02:00.22 | ``Erik | musta had a total context dump or something O.o |
| 02:00.27 | ``Erik | lipreading is awesome http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1925762 |
| 02:01.20 | ``Erik | asc2g, if I understand it correctly, merely calls the tcl 'db put' command, which hits libged's put.c, calling the mk_ routine? |
| 02:03.19 | brlcad | doesn't sound right |
| 02:07.42 | brlcad | hm, but you may be right! |
| 02:09.55 | brlcad | looks like it's creating a wdb db object |
| 02:10.09 | brlcad | which means it's not going through put.c just yet (though it should) |
| 02:10.21 | ``Erik | hum |
| 02:10.22 | brlcad | going through the wdb_obj command table |
| 02:10.58 | brlcad | which calls wdb_put_tcl -> wdb_put_cmd -> does the deed via functab's ft_make() callback |
| 02:11.21 | ``Erik | <-- noticed the 'put' and tcl crud in the asc2g step, dorked with the 'put' command, couldn't quite find the breadtrail between tcl and mk_* before the retards rebooted the server 90 minutes befoer they said they would |
| 02:11.38 | ``Erik | so'z I asked bob on my way out, and he thought my guess was right *shrug* |
| 02:11.53 | brlcad | wdb_obj replicates most of the commands, just with a tcl interp tossed in to mess things up |
| 02:11.55 | ``Erik | but he couldn't verify, since the fileserver was rebooted an hour and a half before they said they'd start rebooting servers |
| 02:12.11 | ``Erik | did I mention that they took the server down way before they said? |
| 02:12.37 | ``Erik | waits for a fat sun diskpack to become available O:-) |
| 02:24.10 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36877 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: |
| 02:24.11 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: if the WITH_X11 is going to get disabled in the Makefile.am, then the logic has |
| 02:24.11 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: to be improved in here for determining whether to traverse into the tk/itk dirs. |
| 02:24.11 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: if neither x11 is detected as usable nor aquatk capabilities enabled, then tk is |
| 02:24.11 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: off. if tk is off or x11 is off, itk is also off. |
| 02:27.42 | starseeker | brlcad: nicely done |
| 02:46.05 | brlcad | untested, but should make non-x11 work again |
| 03:03.12 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36878 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/TODO: Add more to the Archer TODO file. |
| 03:13.12 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36879 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/TODO: Archer TODO items. |
| 03:25.46 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36880 10/brlcad/trunk/src/vdeck/vdeck.1: include the brief example from cary mann on how to use the vdeck tool. clean up some of the language and formatting while we're here. |
| 03:26.53 | brlcad | mm, where possible, those TODO entries shouldn't be vague |
| 03:27.24 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36881 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: probably not quite significant enough for a NEWS line, but credit Cary Mann with special thanks for providing an example on how to use vdeck. |
| 03:28.05 | brlcad | the undo line jumped out at me as very vague, should mean something to someone that doesn't know what the current status is -- what is (at least one of) the next step(s) |
| 03:30.20 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36882 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/cut.c: convert undocumented floating point magic to the lowest epsilon possible. should document it if that's insufficient (noting the sensitivity/range/caveats) instead of leaving a magic tolerance. |
| 03:36.16 | starseeker | brlcad: that's what I'll flesh out when I talk to Bob tomorrow |
| 03:36.28 | starseeker | this isn't intended to be "final" yet |
| 03:36.42 | starseeker | just making sure I don't forget to discuss points |
| 03:36.43 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36883 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/human.c: include documentation provided by rain weaver on where the articulation points should be for the various joints. |
| 03:37.17 | brlcad | isn't expected to be final, but should still always be in a complete state |
| 03:37.50 | starseeker | brlcad: OK, I'll nuke the undo line until I can get specifics from Bob |
| 03:38.41 | brlcad | well you meant something by it |
| 03:38.46 | brlcad | what'd you mean? |
| 03:39.36 | starseeker | The last time we discussed undo (which was some time ago) Bob had a couple specific situations he wanted to handle, but I don't remember the details |
| 03:39.46 | brlcad | there is undoubtedly a task there regardless of talking to bob |
| 03:39.49 | brlcad | ahh |
| 03:39.55 | starseeker | also we don't do anything sane in the "run out of memory" case |
| 03:39.59 | brlcad | well one of them is being able to undo transaction sets |
| 03:40.14 | brlcad | that's another, disaster recovery |
| 03:40.43 | brlcad | if I recall, you can't undo selections too, that would be useful |
| 03:41.04 | brlcad | if you're building up a selection using the mouse of command line, then select one too many .. can't just undo it, have to start over |
| 03:41.16 | brlcad | every action should be undoable |
| 03:41.37 | starseeker | mmm. That's a problem - the assumption to date was that only actions that change geometry are undoable |
| 03:42.02 | brlcad | those fall into a separate section of "todo" classification .. that's a new feature |
| 03:42.26 | brlcad | that's reasonable, but just not what I'd expect |
| 03:43.28 | brlcad | I don't know as a user which operations do and don't affect the db, especially if I go into an edit mode |
| 03:44.05 | starseeker | It's doable, but I image it involves some reworking of how selection lists are handled |
| 03:44.06 | brlcad | wouldn't be unreasonable to presume that just entering that edit mode affects the db (writing a log, opening a transaction, whatever), and that I should be able to undo it |
| 03:44.19 | brlcad | it involves reworking a fair bit |
| 03:44.29 | brlcad | but it's things that libged should be handling better anyways |
| 03:44.50 | brlcad | bob has all that undo logic up in archer, it should be lower-level |
| 03:44.55 | brlcad | libged commands should be transactional |
| 03:45.50 | brlcad | with ged_exec style options, so you could perform any command in a "no-action-but-tell-me-what-you-would-have-done" mode, silent modes, verbose modes, forced/unforced, etc |
| 03:46.18 | brlcad | each command returning one or more transactions that you could apply to the db (or not) |
| 03:46.46 | brlcad | immediate undo is then simply throw away the unapplied transaction |
| 03:47.21 | brlcad | infinite undo is unrolling the stack of transactions that have been applied |
| 03:47.21 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:47.42 | starseeker | sounds database-ish |
| 03:48.08 | brlcad | it is |
| 03:48.21 | brlcad | not called a "geometry database" for no reason :) |
| 03:48.32 | brlcad | it's transactional now, just at a very low-level granular level |
| 03:48.50 | brlcad | these are high-level multi-object/multi-change transactions |
| 03:48.58 | starseeker | heh - just wondering if we can rip some subset of code out of one of the sql codebases to help, or if it's something we have to integrate/build in ourselves |
| 03:49.24 | brlcad | this is all pretty highly specific |
| 03:49.51 | starseeker | yeah, kinda figured |
| 03:49.52 | brlcad | to our API, our format, the types of transactions |
| 03:50.30 | brlcad | it's not much code and not anything tricky |
| 03:50.31 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36884 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/TODO: Expand on Archer undo related items |
| 03:51.16 | brlcad | it's just instead of making all the various commands do various database changes, they instead just record what they wanted to do, and return that |
| 03:51.26 | brlcad | then something else applies the set of things they wanted to do |
| 03:51.27 | starseeker | brlcad: OK. When I heard "transactions" I started wondering what happens if multiple people happen to be working on the same .g, like an sql database ;-) |
| 03:51.51 | starseeker | that makes sense |
| 03:52.41 | starseeker | might help fit things to a libsvn based geometry server :-) |
| 03:53.15 | brlcad | to deal with multiple simultaneous users, there should be locking at some level -- the "something else that applies the set of things they wanted to do" could have that locking logic |
| 03:53.41 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:53.51 | brlcad | right now, it's transactionless but fragmented |
| 03:53.58 | brlcad | an xpush that fails half-way leaves your db hosed |
| 03:54.06 | brlcad | it souldn't do that |
| 03:54.17 | starseeker | good point |
| 03:55.23 | starseeker | catches up on email |
| 03:57.07 | brlcad | goes home |
| 03:57.35 | starseeker | brlcad: I imagine there'll be some chatting about Archer/MGED tomorrow at some point if you want to join the brawl ;-) |
| 03:58.38 | brlcad | maybe, but you all are already doing great on that front |
| 03:58.46 | brlcad | I'd like to get a release tagged if I can |
| 03:58.46 | starseeker | winces |
| 03:58.51 | starseeker | ok, cool :-) |
| 03:59.19 | starseeker | can't wait to watch myself explain to Bob what we've got to do to libged ;-) |
| 03:59.26 | brlcad | our anniversary is coming up, want to get caught up with the pipeline |
| 03:59.31 | brlcad | down to 44 items (from 200+) |
| 03:59.32 | starseeker | ooo :-) |
| 03:59.47 | brlcad | libged needs the other refactorings first |
| 03:59.57 | brlcad | that was part of refactoring the pattern into private / public funcs |
| 04:00.39 | brlcad | once all the writes are wrapped up in a private _ged_write_object() and friends, you simply change those to "record object change" instead" |
| 04:00.58 | brlcad | same for additions, deletions, selections, view changes, .. |
| 04:01.09 | brlcad | and it works itself out |
| 04:01.25 | brlcad | becomes just a more complex event-based setup |
| 04:01.33 | brlcad | with commands generating events |
| 04:01.40 | brlcad | sets of events |
| 04:02.26 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:02.39 | starseeker | wonder how rtgl works into that... |
| 04:02.51 | starseeker | lots and lots of view changing "events" :_) |
| 04:03.18 | starseeker | actually, guess it shouldn't matter |
| 04:03.57 | starseeker | that drawing is independent of the "normal" changes since it's not something you want to undo partway through |
| 04:08.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36885 10/brlcad/trunk/include/rtgeom.h: Add Erik's comments on the meaning of metaball parameters. |
| 04:10.01 | brlcad | they don't persist, so multiple view changes all collapse together until there's a non-view change |
| 04:10.28 | starseeker | ah, right |
| 04:10.59 | brlcad | doing that, we should be able to invert most commands |
| 04:16.19 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36886 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: (log message trimmed) |
| 04:16.19 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: add two more 'would be nice' features (that we won't likely get to for a while, |
| 04:16.19 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: but within scope regardless) of being able to extract a polygonal or even |
| 04:16.20 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: point-cloud representation for geometry. polygonal is straight-forward, similar |
| 04:16.20 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: to wireframe, but point-cloud adds in that interesting concept of non-blocking |
| 04:16.22 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: streaming event results (getting the points flowing across the wire as they are |
| 04:16.24 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: calculated). Most of the rest of the GS calls are blocking calls that get their |
| 04:16.50 | brlcad | ahh, thanks for taking care of the metaball doc |
| 04:17.03 | starseeker | np :-) |
| 04:17.29 | starseeker | needs to flesh out the other primitive structures in there with some doxygen goodness... |
| 04:17.44 | brlcad | like the embedded latex, heh |
| 04:18.12 | starseeker | I think that was actually in his original email :-) |
| 04:21.16 | b0ef | 7.16.2 fails to build on me |
| 04:21.21 | b0ef | libtool: link: `nurb_plot.lo' is not a valid libtool object |
| 04:21.21 | b0ef | make[2]: *** [librt_nil.la] Error 1 |
| 04:23.35 | ``Erik | probably a stale object file or something, remove the .lo file and try again? |
| 04:24.57 | b0ef | hmm, yeah, seems to be going ahead; thanks |
| 04:25.01 | b0ef | it doesn't like to be built with "make -j8"? |
| 04:29.52 | ``Erik | should be fine with it, that's what I usually do *shrug* |
| 04:57.19 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36887 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/GeometryServiceTest.cxx: clean up the report format adding a header for each test section so the results are easier to review. simplify the summary line too. |
| 04:58.45 | brlcad | arf, really leaving now |
| 04:58.51 | brlcad | korean tomorrow! |
| 04:58.55 | brlcad | mm. |
| 04:58.59 | brlcad | wanders |
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| 14:26.10 | starseeker | hits the road (hopefully not face first) |
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| 15:18.32 | ``Erik | highways were good, but plenty of ice on the side roads O.o |
| 15:23.07 | starseeker | yep, cold one today |
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| 16:38.17 | superlinux | hi all |
| 16:38.23 | superlinux | starseeker, I hope you are at your desk. I want to know which book should I read to write for brl cad? |
| 16:38.25 | superlinux | starseeker, I hope you are at your desk. I want to know which book should I read to write code for brl cad? |
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| 16:47.13 | superlinux | starseeker, I hope you are at your desk. I want to know which book should I read to write code for brl cad? |
| 16:47.37 | superlinux | allo?1 |
| 16:54.45 | starseeker | superlinux: patience is a virtue |
| 16:55.01 | superlinux | al right sorry |
| 16:55.05 | starseeker | there isn't really a "programming BRL-CAD" book |
| 16:55.10 | superlinux | i know |
| 16:55.45 | superlinux | i meant the docs and stuf the like that enlightens me to start writing and developing |
| 16:56.09 | superlinux | i am a programmer by trade i tell you |
| 16:57.40 | superlinux | I saw archer on linux. seems good by now |
| 17:00.36 | starseeker | take a look at the stuff here: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 17:00.51 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Developing_applications |
| 17:01.25 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:04.33 | superlinux | starseeker, i want to make it simpler. i think you still remember discussing writing for 2D. and also you use tcl. so can i write tcl for the sake of BRL? |
| 17:04.54 | superlinux | starseeker, i want to make it simpler. i think you still remember discussing writing for 2D. and also you use tcl. so how can i write tcl for the sake of BRL? |
| 17:07.11 | starseeker | sure |
| 17:07.16 | starseeker | archer is mostly tcl |
| 17:07.45 | starseeker | if you want to work on 2D tcl stuff, take a look at the sketch editor |
| 17:07.56 | starseeker | it could stand (a lot of) improvement |
| 17:08.06 | starseeker | and it's what we currently have for creating 2D sketch objects |
| 17:08.49 | superlinux | let me see. how and where is the sketch editor? |
| 17:09.04 | starseeker | /src/tclscripts/mged/skt_ed.tcl |
| 17:09.08 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:09.10 | starseeker | in the brlcad tree |
| 17:09.19 | starseeker | to see it in action, do the following in MGED |
| 17:09.34 | superlinux | i am watching |
| 17:10.12 | starseeker | make skt.s sketch |
| 17:10.16 | starseeker | e skt.s |
| 17:10.20 | starseeker | sed skt.s |
| 17:10.27 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:10.41 | starseeker | (you'll need to create a .g file - sketch.g or some such) |
| 17:12.01 | starseeker | that interface lacks usability on any number of fronts |
| 17:12.11 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:12.19 | superlinux | i'll try my best |
| 17:12.33 | starseeker | so if you want to start improving it as a 2D sketch editor, that might be a good starting point |
| 17:13.19 | superlinux | nA! |
| 17:13.26 | superlinux | that's really bad! |
| 17:13.34 | starseeker | yep |
| 17:13.53 | superlinux | i was thinking thru the normal mged |
| 17:14.25 | superlinux | i type "line" and directly i get the prompts similar to autocad's |
| 17:15.01 | starseeker | in BRL-CAD, 2D lines exist only inside individual "sketch" objects |
| 17:15.04 | superlinux | maybe i can read the code of sketch and apply them in mged |
| 17:15.29 | starseeker | you could add a terminal to the sketch editor that supported such commands |
| 17:16.54 | starseeker | eventually we might be able to merge a sophisticated edit mode triggered by a make sketch into MGED proper, but for now it's better to work in the specific 2D editor to experiment |
| 17:17.24 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:17.47 | superlinux | cos what you said last i want to achieve |
| 17:18.08 | starseeker | superlinux: we'd have to take that up with brlcad |
| 17:18.18 | starseeker | but proof of concept would help |
| 17:18.33 | superlinux | however in Quick CAD it has the problem of not loading huge files |
| 17:19.11 | superlinux | and cos I find scripting languages easy, i wanted to do it in brl cad |
| 17:23.34 | starseeker | erm... now tkhtml3 is working... |
| 17:23.37 | starseeker | blinks |
| 17:44.03 | louipc | yeah dagnabit. a good sketch editor is #1 on my wishlist. No time to really look into it though :( |
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| 21:28.52 | brlcad | hola Nohla ! |
| 21:29.13 | Nohla | brlcad muy buenas tardes! |
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| 21:53.50 | brlcad | whatcha doing crashing pine ``Erik :) |
| 21:53.51 | ``Erik | I've no idea |
| 21:53.51 | ``Erik | I was trying to send a mail |
| 21:53.51 | ``Erik | and it asploded |
| 21:53.51 | brlcad | bustage |
| 21:53.51 | ``Erik | froze up for a while, then popped to cmd |
| 21:53.51 | ``Erik | may've subconsciously threw a fat vi sequence at it |
| 21:53.51 | ``Erik | waht're you doing not migrating machines, brlcad :) |
| 21:53.51 | brlcad | trying to get my box empty of urgencies |
| 21:54.14 | brlcad | mailbox |
| 21:54.14 | brlcad | down to 42! |
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| 21:58.29 | ``Erik | quick, explode the earth before word gets out |
| 21:58.59 | starseeker | pulls up Earth model... |
| 21:59.27 | ``Erik | in intergalactic_highway.s ... |
| 22:01.39 | ``Erik | nice. brlcad, that machine is "host down" :D I ain't walkin' over there to look at it, I did my walk for the day |
| 22:03.19 | brlcad | ahh, probably the power outage |
| 22:03.25 | brlcad | never brought back up |
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| 22:15.53 | ``Erik | Problem detected: "Received abort signal(sig=?)". |
| 22:15.53 | ``Erik | Pine Exiting. |
| 22:16.12 | ``Erik | I'm so badass, you can't even hope to grok my signal #'s |
| 22:17.55 | brlcad | exited on signal 6 (core dumped) |
| 22:18.23 | brlcad | sounds like pine manually called abort() |
| 22:18.51 | ``Erik | mebbe, backtrace of the core indicates a socket op going screwy in a thread |
| 22:19.34 | ``Erik | <-- looks at the shiney fbsd8 box with both pine and mutt O:-) |
| 22:35.44 | yukonbob | is funny to see "shiny" and "pine" in the same sentence. |
| 22:47.23 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36888 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/TODO: Add more detailed notes on some items in Archer TODO - more to come. |
| 22:54.26 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36889 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Another stab at itk build logic |
| 23:00.04 | brlcad | your else clause is flawed there.. :) |
| 23:00.16 | brlcad | and should move the result out |
| 23:01.42 | starseeker | how is the else clause flawed? |
| 23:02.05 | starseeker | moves result... |
| 23:03.16 | starseeker | oh, you mean I don't need to check aquatk at that level? |
| 23:04.17 | starseeker | really, shouldn't it just be the build agatinst tk? |
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| 23:09.53 | docelic | Hey folks |
| 23:10.01 | starseeker | howdy |
| 23:11.08 | docelic | When's a new release being planned? |
| 23:11.33 | starseeker | should be pretty soon |
| 23:12.49 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36890 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Move MSG_RESULT out of logic |
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| 23:19.28 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36891 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Whoops - move one more MSG_RESULT out of logic |
| 00:44.58 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36892 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/bot.c: prevent bombing if you end up working with an empty bot. don't try to alloc 0 vertices/faces. let the user know, though. |
| 01:10.22 | brlcad | docelic: trying to get to testing all day today, hopefully tomorrow |
| 01:11.05 | docelic | Ah nice, I didn't actually know the release time was nearing, I asked accidentaly :) |
| 01:11.29 | brlcad | our usual schedule is the first week of every month |
| 01:11.32 | brlcad | we're a few days late |
| 01:25.10 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36893 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: analyze command output formatting needs some TLC. column formatting is screwy and customization would be nice. |
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| 01:29.03 | brlcad | tests bot prep optimization with dubidity |
| 01:36.20 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36894 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: not sure EDITOR will make this iteration given we're no longer down to the wire but late. add note about vls name wrapping before it's forgotten too (for annotations and then some) |
| 01:46.03 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36895 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: honest. |
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| 01:46.46 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:48.27 | ``Erik | "see, motorcyclists do it all the time. But human beings do not" hah |
| 01:48.29 | ``Erik | topgear++ |
| 01:49.36 | brlcad | creates a 2.7M test case |
| 01:49.57 | ``Erik | of? |
| 01:50.28 | brlcad | bot prep mod |
| 01:50.38 | ``Erik | ah |
| 01:50.46 | ``Erik | um, I have a big one |
| 01:50.57 | ``Erik | more than 2.7m... around 7m triangles... |
| 01:51.05 | brlcad | not sure I believe what rt is reporting for PREP |
| 01:51.27 | brlcad | 2.7 should be good, order bigger than what I was testing |
| 01:51.51 | ``Erik | (the facetize_all/allbots script pairing is NOT a good solution for what I need, btw... the failed conversions remain as they were and cause very long fail episodes in my load) |
| 01:51.52 | brlcad | just four sqrts, but might be insignificant |
| 01:52.23 | ``Erik | unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a clean facetization of any nontrivial model in our set... |
| 01:52.35 | ``Erik | m35, toyjeep, tankcar, ... even pinewood fail something :( |
| 01:52.41 | brlcad | yep |
| 01:52.59 | brlcad | I ran through all of db a couple years ago and saw that the majority fail |
| 01:53.13 | ``Erik | kinda renewed my marching cubes effort a little :/ |
| 01:53.16 | brlcad | that'd be a great project, at least make those all succeed! |
| 01:53.40 | ``Erik | oh, even managed straight up crashes in the nmg routines with most of those |
| 01:53.44 | brlcad | I've seen it fail on some pretty simple stuff, has to be bugs |
| 01:53.52 | ``Erik | the, um, roll bar on the toyjeep I think, null pointer |
| 01:53.54 | brlcad | bu_bombs are normal |
| 01:54.07 | brlcad | there's an error handler set, it's how nmg was written to work |
| 01:54.22 | brlcad | exception-style |
| 01:54.27 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:54.30 | brlcad | yeah |
| 01:54.36 | ``Erik | I have a strong feeling I know the 3 assclowns responsible :/ |
| 01:54.38 | brlcad | teh SUCK |
| 01:55.28 | ``Erik | (should libgcv surrender longjmp as an error handler?) |
| 01:55.37 | brlcad | well fuck .. this optimization didn't do a damn thing. boo. |
| 01:55.59 | brlcad | it has to at that level |
| 01:56.06 | brlcad | otherwise it'll crash |
| 01:56.09 | brlcad | s/crash/abort/ |
| 01:56.25 | brlcad | at least until you mod the nmg code to not throw a bomb |
| 01:56.32 | brlcad | that's what needs to happen |
| 01:56.38 | ``Erik | heh |
| 01:56.44 | brlcad | propagate error up or set error state or whatever |
| 01:56.54 | ``Erik | yeh, return codes are how I'd like to go |
| 01:57.30 | brlcad | I really do think the nmg code could be shored up more solid |
| 01:58.14 | brlcad | it's not had a dev work on it that focuses on robust input checking and condition testing |
| 01:59.12 | brlcad | it's got a good bit of testing, but just not comprehensive |
| 02:00.21 | brlcad | it kind of needs hooks like what indianlarry did for nurbs, effectively yes, no, and "maybe" tolerancing so it knows whether it's really stuck or not |
| 02:01.12 | ``Erik | bugstomp in that would be a shweet task for a code wizard looking to start on BRL-CAD development, I'd imagine |
| 02:01.36 | ``Erik | re-arch might need more experience iwth the tangle |
| 02:02.37 | brlcad | an experienced coder, yeah |
| 02:02.52 | brlcad | doesn't need rearch |
| 02:03.01 | brlcad | at least I don't see things like bomb elim as rearch |
| 02:03.20 | brlcad | it implements radial edge with euler, pretty textbook |
| 02:03.40 | ``Erik | isn't very familiar with the code *shrug* so it viewing a public header change as a possible rearch grade thing :) |
| 02:05.07 | brlcad | moving back into libnmg would probably make that a much more tractable task |
| 02:05.20 | ``Erik | hrm, $1k for a roll cage, $500 for a roll bar |
| 02:06.17 | brlcad | aha! |
| 02:06.27 | ``Erik | ? |
| 02:06.30 | brlcad | there's a damn malloc in the routine I was optimizing that dominates |
| 02:06.34 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:06.38 | ``Erik | finally used a profiler? :> |
| 02:06.44 | brlcad | shut it |
| 02:06.58 | ``Erik | wonders if we should have mempool stuff in libbu |
| 02:07.10 | ``Erik | mebbe threadpool, too |
| 02:08.33 | ``Erik | sonofabitch, docbook screwed the port update |
| 02:08.46 | ``Erik | http://people.freebsd.org/~amdmi3/brlcad-7.16.2.log :( (worked fine on xeon and core duo) |
| 02:11.47 | brlcad | looks like out-of-srcdir issue |
| 02:11.59 | ``Erik | hm, APACHEFOP not being set, but FOP crap still being built, I think |
| 02:12.32 | brlcad | it's set to ":" |
| 02:12.40 | ``Erik | no, that's in srcdir, it's an invalid call to fop |
| 02:12.55 | brlcad | hrm? |
| 02:12.59 | ``Erik | I'll msg him and ask if he has java installed |
| 02:13.01 | brlcad | it's complaining about that manpage rename |
| 02:13.07 | brlcad | manpages are xsltproc |
| 02:13.10 | brlcad | pdf is fop |
| 02:13.13 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 02:13.45 | ``Erik | 'cept that file it's trying to move it to should exist in src? O.o |
| 02:14.01 | brlcad | it did correctly set XSLTPROC to : .. but probably shouldn't have run through those build rules in doc/docbook regardless |
| 02:14.08 | brlcad | that stuff changed a couple weeks ago |
| 02:14.11 | brlcad | might not be an issue any more |
| 02:14.21 | ``Erik | it's a tinderbox |
| 02:14.22 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 02:14.44 | ``Erik | knows that there were several things he had to patch in the port to make it compile :/ |
| 02:15.01 | brlcad | right, it ran the rule with : so it did nothing.. yet then still wants the file (which is bogus) .. shouldn't have ran the amn rule but the files are probably listed as install files |
| 02:15.18 | brlcad | so the _MAN need to be conditionalized too |
| 02:15.34 | brlcad | always putting the man down |
| 02:15.46 | ``Erik | shoulda used TeX instead of docbook *cough* O:-) |
| 02:15.47 | brlcad | another fix could be to just make xsltproc a dependency |
| 02:16.03 | brlcad | yeah, tex as a dep is better than xsltproc....right |
| 02:16.47 | brlcad | should probably make it a dep anyways so the manpages are built/installed |
| 02:16.50 | ``Erik | latex actually works, xsltproc has a bit of a rep for being flakey from 'the day', and bunches of docbook stuff wants java around |
| 02:16.52 | brlcad | the fix will just make it skip em |
| 02:17.17 | ``Erik | roff, mwahaha |
| 02:17.18 | brlcad | java is just for the pdf stuff (because of fop) |
| 02:17.31 | ``Erik | every xsltproc alternative is written in java, though |
| 02:17.35 | brlcad | xsltproc itself hasn't really caused any headaches |
| 02:17.50 | brlcad | who cares, we're not using the alternatives :) |
| 02:18.34 | brlcad | apply favorite car analogy, that makes no relevant sense :) |
| 02:18.41 | ``Erik | svn co https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/docs/trunk brlcad-docs |
| 02:18.43 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 02:19.37 | ``Erik | will dork with crap tomorrie, is in relax mode |
| 02:19.39 | brlcad | that doesn't fix this problem, just punts it to the port for brlcad-docs |
| 02:21.25 | ``Erik | grabs a beer, his guitar and jams out 'daytripper' O.o |
| 02:31.47 | brlcad | OMFG |
| 02:32.14 | brlcad | tri_specific, why dear ghod, oh why .. do you allocate 9 f'ing values on the heap |
| 02:33.16 | brlcad | seriously, even for "optional normals", that's a bit nutty spensive |
| 02:39.00 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'll go over that configure logic on Monday and see if I can't make it more robust as far as disabling things |
| 02:39.21 | starseeker | isn't REALLY trying to make ``Erik miserable... |
| 02:41.32 | brlcad | starseeker: the kicker test is to try without fop and with xsltproc, then without fop and without xsltproc, then with fop and without xsltproc |
| 02:41.54 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:41.59 | brlcad | if you mv the binary to go through the four setups, should week out the problems |
| 02:42.36 | starseeker | I was kinda feeling my way when I did most of that - not that I'm fluent now but I think I stand a somewhat better chance of getting things right now |
| 02:44.56 | starseeker | will try that |
| 02:53.15 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:54.08 | ``Erik | tunes that func to allocate one value 9 times for brlcad |
| 02:54.50 | ``Erik | <-- installing a base system on a thumbdrive for his arm machine to see if usb boot is reasonably doable |
| 02:57.09 | brlcad | interesting doc info on the list starseeker |
| 02:57.51 | brlcad | worth a quick peek but the copy and translate would probably still be my naive pick |
| 02:58.23 | brlcad | i presume gabriel isn't here incognito? |
| 02:58.29 | brlcad | ~seen gabriel |
| 02:58.32 | ibot | gabriel <n=gabriel@d24-141-18-191.home.cgocable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #storm, 18d 18h 13m 6s ago, saying: 'the info i added is in the property constructor parameters section'. |
| 02:58.35 | ``Erik | ponders saying "gettextize" and running like hell |
| 02:59.03 | brlcad | yeah, each paragraph becomes a gettext phrase |
| 02:59.20 | brlcad | tens of thousands of gettext lines... |
| 02:59.21 | ``Erik | every C string |
| 02:59.35 | ``Erik | many needing to be redone some |
| 02:59.42 | brlcad | taking 100x longer to compile all the docs than it takes the sources! |
| 02:59.51 | ``Erik | well |
| 02:59.56 | brlcad | ah yeah, the C strings would be cool |
| 02:59.57 | ``Erik | I was thinking the sources, not the docs... |
| 03:00.08 | brlcad | yeah, I was (jokingly) talking about the docs |
| 03:00.21 | ``Erik | how would the tcl strings interface? |
| 03:02.01 | brlcad | tcl has it's own l10n and i18n features |
| 03:02.17 | brlcad | particularly, message catalogs for translations iirc |
| 03:02.47 | ``Erik | 3 months to make all the source work it, then 2 months for each translation *shudder* |
| 03:03.42 | ``Erik | 1979: <dude1> dude, what if someone wants this in a language other than english? <dude2> uh... whu? BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:03.45 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 03:04.39 | brlcad | basically feed it inputs files like gettext, then after you load a locale: replace 'puts "hello"' with 'puts [::msgcat::mc "hello"]' |
| 03:04.40 | ``Erik | even in a toy app, gettext is a royal pain |
| 03:04.41 | brlcad | tcl doesn't use gettext, they do their own thing |
| 03:04.56 | brlcad | all build in that msgcat package |
| 03:05.15 | brlcad | tcl would probably be easier than the C side actually |
| 03:05.59 | ``Erik | one of my kittens is attempting to climb up my pants leg O.o if it weren't for the pointy bits, it'd be cut (until the knee, then it'd be weird) |
| 03:06.02 | ``Erik | cute |
| 03:07.07 | brlcad | until it's a little higher still, then no longer cute or weird |
| 03:07.43 | ``Erik | nah, at the knee. O:-) |
| 03:09.07 | ``Erik | makes a bot, g2asc's it, then gdb breaks the asc2g to figure out the effin' call path |
| 03:09.09 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, saw that email - I'm thinking copy and translate too |
| 03:09.44 | brlcad | should respond to him on the downsides of the other options |
| 03:10.16 | ``Erik | well, eff, I broke things |
| 03:10.21 | starseeker | brlcad: probably, but they all boil down (to me) of "not enough of an issue yet to justify more machinery " |
| 03:10.46 | starseeker | we're still shaking down the stuipd-simple method, nevermind adding more tools into the mix |
| 03:10.57 | starseeker | flips up the email again |
| 03:14.29 | brlcad | that's a fair response :) |
| 03:14.58 | brlcad | unless he wants to help work on something more robuse ;) |
| 03:15.33 | starseeker | I'm also a bit dubious as to why poxml is easier for translaters than straight up xml... |
| 03:15.54 | starseeker | Nohla seems to have done just fine working within the existing xml tags :-) |
| 03:17.06 | brlcad | yep |
| 03:17.16 | brlcad | i think his argument was more about maintenance |
| 03:17.34 | brlcad | say we need to update/fix the english tutorial .. what to do about 20 translations |
| 03:17.49 | brlcad | becomes rather free-for-all |
| 03:18.09 | starseeker | true, but the translations still have to happen regardless of what the surrounding markup is |
| 03:19.13 | brlcad | right, but I gathered the other tools implicitly involve some sort of awareness of the other languages, so the differences are more evident |
| 03:19.20 | starseeker | wonders why a script checking svn status on changes since last release tag for english doc files couldn't be used to flag the other language versions as "need work" |
| 03:19.40 | brlcad | that's basically his second option, no? :) |
| 03:19.51 | brlcad | the CON isn't a biggie |
| 03:20.21 | starseeker | yes, except we don't introduce any markup - just a "tell me which english xml files changed over this interval" report |
| 03:22.09 | starseeker | only think I can see MAYBE getting fancy with is something that adds a warning to the translated output that it's out of date if there is a change to the english version and no corresponding change to the translated file |
| 03:29.58 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36896 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/g_bot_include.c: |
| 03:29.58 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: well, screw me. no savings on eliminating four sqrt() calls due to an egregious |
| 03:29.58 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: number of malloc calls (two per bot face) to allocate a tri_specific and space |
| 03:29.58 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: for normals. holy flying bat crap. tri_specific's interface needs to be |
| 03:29.59 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: improved. made prep use the caller's tolerance instead of magic numbers. |
| 03:31.24 | brlcad | I could see there be some value to doing something like gettext style substitutions as a prep step so some translated phrases are consistently managed |
| 03:31.45 | brlcad | like "Shift Grips" |
| 03:32.00 | brlcad | instead of the variety of ways that could get translated in one file alone |
| 03:32.12 | starseeker | yeah, it has some merits |
| 03:32.23 | starseeker | is reading up on xliff... |
| 03:33.12 | starseeker | arrrgh - what is it with xml folks and java... |
| 03:33.17 | ``Erik | tries to figure out a good VCS for a windows using non-programmer :/ |
| 03:33.34 | ``Erik | xml is for java, java does xml... no SANE person would use xml... :D |
| 03:34.07 | ``Erik | ponder; <alpha><beta gamma=0></beta></alpha> |
| 03:34.08 | ``Erik | really? |
| 03:34.15 | ``Erik | (alpha (beta (gamma 0)) |
| 03:34.16 | ``Erik | ) |
| 03:34.38 | ``Erik | '(alpha (beta (gamma 0))) and ya don't even need to write code to deal O:-) |
| 03:37.21 | ``Erik | notes that the network protocol for isst has been mostly ascii-ized and seems to be immediately readable scheme/lisp *cough* O:-) |
| 03:38.21 | brlcad | runs some quick calculations |
| 03:39.34 | ``Erik | we should get a decently ugly bot only model so I can do an rt vs libtie comparison and see if it's worth pursuing. |
| 03:40.21 | brlcad | heh, nice |
| 03:40.38 | ``Erik | ? how much did you beef up bot? |
| 03:40.39 | brlcad | we presently have 204k lines of documentation in svn |
| 03:40.44 | ``Erik | ah |
| 03:41.31 | brlcad | I have a couple bot-only models |
| 03:41.57 | brlcad | run anything through g-stl and you can too! |
| 03:42.17 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:42.26 | brlcad | 1.2M words of docs (includes m4 markup and xml tags) |
| 03:42.28 | ``Erik | provided g-stl happens to work *cough* |
| 03:44.10 | ``Erik | more interested in a 'worst case' difference type set |
| 03:44.17 | ``Erik | correctness #'s |
| 03:44.43 | brlcad | that's roughly 4000 to 6000 *pages* of documentation |
| 03:44.55 | brlcad | wow |
| 03:46.04 | brlcad | assuming markup is substantial, which I can't imagine being even 50%, that's still 2000-3000 pages |
| 03:46.35 | brlcad | Nohla: you got about 4 pages done, right? :) |
| 03:47.49 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36897 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: tri_specific suck. make better. |
| 03:48.06 | Nohla | on pdf are 9,1 pages |
| 03:49.00 | Nohla | counting images |
| 03:49.03 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:49.14 | brlcad | so yeah, about 4 pages of text :) |
| 03:50.26 | Nohla | 5, but 5 is about 4 pages too :) |
| 03:51.46 | brlcad | therein lies the importance of working on the documentation subsystem.. it's not that we don't have documentation, we have lots of documentation but it's inconsistently managed, inaccessible to new users, not readily searchable, not online, and not organized/categorized |
| 03:52.00 | brlcad | just to name a few faults :) |
| 03:52.19 | brlcad | damn I didn't realize there was that much documentation checked in |
| 03:52.30 | brlcad | mm.. lemme eliminate the old mail and recount |
| 03:54.26 | Nohla | program has no a searching tool for helping? |
| 03:54.28 | brlcad | drops about 500-700 off the count |
| 03:54.49 | brlcad | Nohla: not entirely true, there are some search facilities |
| 03:54.53 | Nohla | brlcad sorry, I've never display it yet :( |
| 03:54.55 | brlcad | they're just not "great", they're okay |
| 03:55.29 | brlcad | there's the built-in search facilities of 'man' and apropos for the manual pages |
| 03:55.58 | brlcad | there is pdf and html searching capabilities for the web content, but they're not presently synchronized with the website |
| 03:56.10 | brlcad | (but should be soon) |
| 04:01.53 | brlcad | starseeker, make clean fails in doc/docbook :) |
| 04:01.56 | brlcad | tee hee |
| 04:03.33 | Nohla | starseeker reminds me to "The little prince" :) |
| 04:04.31 | Nohla | oh how Scandinavian of you XD |
| 04:11.20 | Nohla | good night people, as you see, I need a snap at least :) |
| 04:11.51 | starseeker | brlcad: auuugh |
| 04:12.14 | starseeker | Nohla: night - when you have time I need to explain how to build spanish docs |
| 04:12.15 | brlcad | Nohla: haha, kinda acts like him sometimes too |
| 04:12.35 | starseeker | probably doesn't want to know... |
| 04:12.46 | brlcad | you've not read the little prince? |
| 04:12.54 | starseeker | shakes head |
| 04:12.56 | brlcad | great book |
| 04:12.56 | starseeker | nope |
| 04:13.07 | brlcad | Nohla: buenas noches! |
| 04:13.23 | brlcad | it's a kids book for adults |
| 04:13.36 | starseeker | checks with the all-knowing google... |
| 04:13.45 | ``Erik | heh |
| 04:13.53 | ``Erik | brlcad won't quit jabbering about it |
| 04:14.06 | brlcad | what you talking about? |
| 04:14.13 | brlcad | haven't said anything about that in years |
| 04:14.15 | ``Erik | frankly, I'd rather grab a copy of 'the prince' than 'the little prince' |
| 04:14.22 | ``Erik | yeah, you jabbered about it just a few years ago! |
| 04:14.26 | ``Erik | constant, I tell ya! |
| 04:14.34 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:14.38 | ``Erik | you were talking loads about it to rain I think |
| 04:14.42 | ``Erik | saying it needs to be read in spanish |
| 04:15.06 | Nohla | starseeker you couldn't be so sweet as little prince!, I hope you not to use that nick for a technical reason as a telescope, Isn't it? |
| 04:16.48 | ``Erik | nohla: starseeker delved deep into the land of car and cdr, begun to see the fundamental fabric of the universe, but couldn't become one... so he started seeking to become once with the essense O:-) |
| 04:17.14 | brlcad | you even lost me on that one |
| 04:17.35 | ``Erik | http://xkcd.com/224/ |
| 04:17.54 | ``Erik | (he commits a .pl tomorrow...) |
| 04:17.57 | starseeker | you know, I think I may have read that when I was very very young... |
| 04:18.58 | Nohla | starseeker, before to learn reading? XD |
| 04:19.08 | starseeker | probably |
| 04:19.25 | starseeker | the picture of the kid on a small rock rings some kind of bell |
| 04:20.07 | starseeker | Nohla: want to build your html and pdf documentation using BRL-CAD's make system instead of the long commands? |
| 04:21.48 | Nohla | starseeker I'm too tired to do it succesfully right now, but I'll be glad you help me tomorrow, maybe |
| 04:22.06 | starseeker | Nohla: sounds good :-) Hopefully it will make things easier for you |
| 04:22.09 | ``Erik | is this next release going to be an internal distribution? |
| 04:22.31 | Nohla | anyway, good is to learn differents way to the same place :) |
| 04:22.33 | starseeker | ``Erik: I don't think so |
| 04:22.38 | ``Erik | fekc |
| 04:23.06 | starseeker | Nohla: you have seen the "by hand" way - make will do that for you automatically, but you will understand what it is doing |
| 04:23.13 | starseeker | which is a good thing :-) |
| 04:24.24 | brlcad | starseeker: where are the Vol II apendices in the repo? |
| 04:24.38 | starseeker | they aren't |
| 04:24.46 | starseeker | that's what janine was turning into individual docbook files |
| 04:24.50 | starseeker | for man pages |
| 04:25.08 | brlcad | ``Erik: more time to fix shelling :) |
| 04:25.14 | brlcad | ah, k |
| 04:25.37 | ``Erik | shelling is a lesser concern for me atm |
| 04:26.33 | ``Erik | huzzah, 7.16.2 got the local herpes treatment, I can pass out gtk binaries |
| 04:27.26 | starseeker | doesn't understand that but feels vaguely insulted |
| 04:27.42 | starseeker | ``Erik: awesome xkcd cartoon :-) |
| 04:29.08 | Nohla | :) |
| 04:29.38 | ``Erik | starseeker: 14 months of "yeah, we're past deadline, but next release, honest!", flak left and right, september or so it went from being fixing stuff to waiting for distributino... |
| 04:29.54 | starseeker | ah |
| 04:29.57 | ``Erik | so on monday, I can FINALLY redeem myself |
| 04:30.00 | starseeker | heeh |
| 04:30.26 | ``Erik | this is the shit, uh, |
| 04:32.25 | ``Erik | needs to learn to not blink *sigh* |
| 04:32.40 | ``Erik | or mebbe figure out how to get on the mailing list for distro |
| 04:38.24 | brlcad | sends out the summary stats to the list |
| 04:39.17 | ``Erik | bwahahahaha, a little fast running and the cats wig out :D |
| 04:42.26 | starseeker | is dissapointed - xkcd has no poster version of the lotr chart |
| 04:44.34 | ``Erik | I thought they had an svg |
| 04:44.41 | ``Erik | email him |
| 04:48.22 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36898 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/load.c: quell silly warnings. |
| 04:48.30 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36899 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/adrt_struct.h: fake a size |
| 04:48.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36900 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/render_internal.h: prepare to make this an assoc! |
| 04:52.28 | starseeker | lol: https://graphics.stanford.edu/wikis/cs448b-09-fall/FP-OgievetskyVadim |
| 04:52.55 | starseeker | doesn't have the orc dwindling ability, but that's still awesome... |
| 04:54.31 | starseeker | yeah, more I look he's got only a couple of the dimensions |
| 04:54.58 | starseeker | still, a class project based off of an xkcd cartoon... |
| 04:55.25 | brlcad | that's fantastic |
| 04:55.33 | brlcad | sends his summary to the mailing list |
| 04:55.42 | brlcad | iiiinteresting stats on the docs |
| 04:55.48 | brlcad | puts things into perspective even more |
| 04:56.14 | starseeker | waits for gmail to get the word... |
| 04:57.52 | brlcad | so need to get that organized.. so much effort underutilized, and that's not even counting the papers, reports, symposium papers, posters, diagrams, cards, and presentations that aren't even checked in |
| 04:59.27 | brlcad | gotta get round-trip web editing with the docbook backend working so we can make it all searchable, organized, and accessible |
| 05:01.48 | brlcad | thinks erik should make adrt compile strict |
| 05:02.09 | ``Erik | heh, tried |
| 05:02.12 | ``Erik | varargs macros |
| 05:02.20 | ``Erik | the tie0 vs tie1 hack |
| 05:04.30 | ``Erik | outside of that, it's actually fiarly close |
| 05:05.15 | ``Erik | <-- sets -W -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic on his personal projects up front, has a lint line he typically uses as well, creeped into a couple bits of BRL-CAD |
| 05:05.58 | ``Erik | adrt, even :D |
| 05:07.07 | brlcad | found out that -ansi and -std=c99 actually conflict in some instances, that can't really quell both without testing compliance version |
| 05:07.22 | starseeker | oh, that's fun |
| 05:09.25 | ``Erik | src/adrt/Makefile.am line 119.. learn the hurt. |
| 05:12.48 | ``Erik | looks like I got that certain hair up my ass in november of 2000 |
| 05:13.17 | ``Erik | (what were YOU doing in nov 07, 2000?) |
| 05:16.36 | brlcad | I could probably figure that out |
| 05:17.29 | ``Erik | it's trivial, but carried |
| 05:18.38 | ``Erik | part of my religion over 9 yrs ago :( |
| 05:19.23 | ``Erik | based off of annotate... iirc, it was called clint before splint |
| 05:22.28 | brlcad | lint used to give so many false positives |
| 05:22.41 | brlcad | gcc at least performs most of the lintisms (and then some) now |
| 05:22.45 | ``Erik | used to? it doesn't anymore? |
| 05:22.49 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:23.07 | brlcad | i'm looking forward to seeing our coverity report |
| 05:23.32 | ``Erik | be interesting.. I used lint heavily and expected many false hits... but did it anyways |
| 05:23.44 | brlcad | especially now that several core dirs are "clean" .. should make the reports be minimized to actual bugs and not just quellage making things explicit |
| 05:23.44 | ``Erik | don't think I ever made a single project fully lint clean |
| 05:24.06 | ``Erik | but it opened my eyes to a lot of possibilities |
| 05:24.12 | ``Erik | made me think before saying aye or nay |
| 05:24.15 | brlcad | I almost made hello world clean once |
| 05:24.32 | brlcad | hits the road |
| 05:24.48 | ``Erik | the value is in making you think, imho |
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| 15:43.52 | ``Erik | oohhhh, todays cyanide and happiness is harsh http://www.explosm.net//comics |
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| 23:20.15 | brlcad | ibot: memo for superlinux are you more interested in writing in Tcl or in C -- if C, suggest starting in src/proc-db; if Tcl, suggest writing a new pattern tool using the 'clone' command |
| 23:20.15 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
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| 02:01.20 | starseeker | oh, ibot - oops |
| 02:01.35 | starseeker | no wonder that didn't work when I tried it |
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| 04:32.45 | brlcad | there's ibot and there's the memoserv |
| 04:33.06 | brlcad | the bot only buffers up one message, memoserv takes unlimited |
| 04:33.10 | brlcad | easy to miss messages from either |
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| 14:24.45 | starseeker | takes a deep breath and attacks the xsltproc/fop build logic |
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| 14:57.11 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36902 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Conditionalize the BUILT_SOURCES definitions on BUILD_DOCS. |
| 15:13.00 | starseeker | er, duh - note to self, remove config cache before re-running configure after a system change... |
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| 15:26.48 | starseeker | tested with fop, without xsltproc - didn't attempt to build docbook |
| 16:03.54 | starseeker | ``Erik: it's checking out here for docbook build |
| 16:05.34 | starseeker | ``Erik: mind testing to see if you can bust it again? |
| 16:09.26 | ``Erik | um, wasn't my test that caused it, and was the 7.16.2 tarball |
| 16:09.38 | ``Erik | one of the things I plan on doing today is attempting to replicate the breakage |
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| 19:40.41 | starseeker | and ``Erik followed the logic changes - the docbook issue should indeed be fixed in svn and is present in 7.16.2 |
| 20:32.35 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36903 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/dm-tk.c: Limit the 'off' part of tk_fb_open to the actual non-working part, make it easier to switch on and off. |
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| 21:38.56 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36904 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/ (if_TEMPLATE.c if_X.c): Reorder if_X to avoid forward declarations. |
| 21:43.36 | starseeker | wonders who's still using the 4d, ab, adage, ap, rat, sgi, sgiw, sun, ts, or ug framebuffer code - seems to me like a major cleanup and purge of obsolete devices may be in order here... |
| 21:55.42 | ``Erik | nooooooo, not my vector display! heh |
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| 23:49.52 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36905 10/brlcad/trunk/ (20 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:49.52 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: Time to start scrubbing and polishing libfb. As a first cut, remove a lot of |
| 23:49.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: specialized code for old devices - these days we're looking at X11, WGL, OGL and |
| 23:49.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: Tk. Doing this as one commit so it's easy to revert if needed, but many of |
| 23:49.53 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: these files were already EXTRA_DIST anyway and it's hard to conceive of a |
| 23:49.55 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: scenario where the work to maintain and update them will be justified. |
| 00:01.12 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36906 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/ (6 files): Get rid of forward declarations |
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| 00:01.59 | starseeker | ``Erik: any idea why the X and X24 framebuffers are both present? |
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| 00:07.22 | starseeker | from what I can see, if_X24 supercedes if_X |
| 00:31.38 | ``Erik | has no idea |
| 00:33.03 | Nohla | hola :) |
| 00:40.18 | starseeker | hola :-) |
| 00:40.46 | starseeker | Nohla: ready to build spanish documentation with make? |
| 00:49.02 | Nohla | just if your patient is ready too :) |
| 00:49.13 | starseeker | Nohla: it's easy |
| 00:49.22 | starseeker | you have your svn checkout of brlcad? |
| 00:49.29 | Nohla | yes |
| 00:49.39 | starseeker | ok. cd into the top level |
| 00:49.45 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36907 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (8 files in 5 dirs): First man3 man page in docbook - add man3 to the system directory and make a new rule to generate .3 man pages. |
| 00:49.52 | starseeker | Nohla: then run svn update |
| 00:50.37 | Nohla | wow! easy... |
| 00:50.54 | starseeker | Nohla: are you seeing things downloading? |
| 00:51.18 | Nohla | starseeker no, I wanted to say: slower :) |
| 00:51.39 | starseeker | Nohla: you are in your brlcad directory? |
| 00:51.43 | Nohla | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.55 | starseeker | Nohla: that's a commit message |
| 00:52.01 | starseeker | Nohla: not an instruction |
| 00:52.14 | Nohla | I know |
| 00:52.18 | starseeker | If you see a message from CIA-41, it is announcing a change to the source code |
| 00:52.24 | Nohla | just I didn't undarstand |
| 00:52.38 | starseeker | Nohla: type "svn update" in your brlcad directory |
| 00:53.29 | Nohla | wait, I shouldn't do that |
| 00:53.37 | starseeker | why? |
| 00:53.59 | Nohla | look, the other day, by error, I changed the second tutorial but in /en dir |
| 00:54.19 | Nohla | The begining is in spanish there too |
| 00:54.37 | starseeker | Nohla: oh. OK. just in case, copy those files to your home directory |
| 00:56.31 | Nohla | starseeker can you explain me what I did with svn update? |
| 00:56.41 | Nohla | just to be shure :P |
| 00:56.54 | starseeker | you will be updating your source code tree to include the latest changes |
| 00:57.15 | starseeker | I have altered the build system to allow for building Spanish documentation - you need those changes |
| 00:58.49 | starseeker | Nohla: have you copied important files to your home directory? |
| 00:59.46 | Nohla | starseeker could you wait for me about 10 minutes? |
| 00:59.50 | starseeker | sure |
| 00:59.59 | Nohla | thanks :) |
| 01:03.30 | ``Erik | svn update shouldn't stomp local changes, svn revert is how you do that |
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| 02:02.10 | starseeker | ./autogen.sh |
| 02:02.10 | starseeker | ./configure --with-lang=ess |
| 02:02.10 | starseeker | cd doc/docbook |
| 02:02.11 | starseeker | make |
| 02:02.11 | starseeker | sorry - that's ./configure --with-lang=es |
| 02:02.11 | starseeker | (one s) |
| 02:02.11 | Nohla | and then |
| 02:02.21 | starseeker | Nohla: once that works, look at the file doc/docbook/lessons/es/Makefile.am and see where the xml file is listed |
| 02:02.41 | starseeker | you will have built lesson1 as html and pdf |
| 02:02.51 | starseeker | the next step is to add your new file |
| 02:03.09 | starseeker | for an example look at doc/docbook/lessons/en/Makefile.am |
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| 02:16.34 | Nohla | :) in the hipoteticall case it exists |
| 02:16.34 | starseeker | Nohla: right :-) |
| 02:16.34 | Nohla | starseeker thanks again |
| 02:16.34 | starseeker | Nohla: once you are comfortable with this method, it will be MUCH easier than running conversions manually |
| 02:16.34 | starseeker | de nada :-) |
| 02:16.34 | starseeker | thank you! |
| 02:16.34 | Nohla | what means "running conversions manually"? |
| 02:16.34 | Nohla | the expression |
| 02:16.34 | starseeker | Nohla: the long commands for creating html |
| 02:16.34 | starseeker | and pdf |
| 02:17.23 | starseeker | the way you made html and pdf the first time :-) |
| 02:17.23 | Nohla | XML_CATALOG_FILES= blablabla ? |
| 02:17.34 | starseeker | yes |
| 02:17.59 | Nohla | well, It was a more graphical way :) |
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| 04:03.39 | Nohla | The BRL-CAD build system is now prepared. To build here, run: |
| 04:03.39 | Nohla | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.39 | Nohla | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.39 | brlcad | that's a yes :) .. though the Makefile.am error is probably a mistake in something starseeker did recently |
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| 04:28.19 | starseeker | license even works |
| 04:28.19 | brlcad | actually, they sound like a tiny dependency -- if it gives full fb services, just as good as tk if not better |
| 04:28.19 | brlcad | if their code and interface is actually clean and useful, could be a good leverage, just depends |
| 04:28.19 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:28.19 | starseeker | hey ``Errrriikkk, more C++ code... :-P |
| 04:28.19 | brlcad | "sounds good" .. but it's easy to write something that sounds good |
| 04:28.19 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:28.19 | Nohla | uff tell that to pastebin :) |
| 04:28.19 | brlcad | could try writing an fb interface with that behind it |
| 04:28.19 | starseeker | apparently they're using it for some commercial screen capture app... |
| 04:28.19 | brlcad | oooooh, Nohla is it saying it's too much? |
| 04:28.19 | brlcad | config.log is super-long |
| 04:28.28 | brlcad | ftp it to brlcad.org/pub/incoming |
| 04:29.14 | Nohla | brlcad ? |
| 04:29.37 | Nohla | sorry if I was unpolite, that was not the intention |
| 04:30.05 | starseeker | Nohla: you're fine - he is suggesting to use an ftp client to send the file to ftp://brlcad.org/pub/incoming |
| 04:30.05 | Nohla | everithing is working ban with my notebook tonight |
| 04:30.20 | Nohla | s/ban/bad |
| 04:30.32 | starseeker | brlcad: Ah, ScreenJot: http://www.liquidthought.com/ |
| 04:30.45 | brlcad | er, just /incoming, not /pub/incoming |
| 04:31.11 | brlcad | ftp://brlcad.org/incoming |
| 04:31.28 | starseeker | don't think they explicitly say they use pxcore, but this context suggests it: http://www.liquidthought.com/blog/2009/07/pxcore-13-released.html |
| 04:31.43 | brlcad | yeah, I saw that |
| 04:32.43 | starseeker | will poke at it once he gets a better feel for libfb as it currently exists |
| 04:33.13 | brlcad | tk would still probably be easier given the code is 80% done already ;) |
| 04:33.25 | starseeker | nods - yes, that's the plan |
| 04:33.50 | starseeker | (once I can get it to do something without having mged crash on initialization when I enable it...) |
| 04:34.17 | brlcad | assuming it's not just because I left mged in a busted state dm-wise |
| 04:34.33 | starseeker | pxcore might give performance beyond Tk, if it matters, but performance is secondary to "Work without X on OSX" atm ;-) |
| 04:34.55 | starseeker | brlcad: I don't think so - at least, when I disable the tk framebuffer things seem OK |
| 04:35.12 | brlcad | ah, with the tk dm, sure |
| 04:35.16 | brlcad | I mean the X dm |
| 04:35.20 | starseeker | oh :-) |
| 04:36.07 | brlcad | working on that tonight/tomorrow |
| 04:36.46 | Nohla | brlcad sorry, log is too long |
| 04:36.55 | Nohla | do you need it yet? |
| 04:37.06 | brlcad | of course :) |
| 04:37.15 | brlcad | Nohla: it's not too long for ftp |
| 04:38.29 | brlcad | mozilla/firefox creates read-only connections by default -- use command-line: ftp brlcad.org |
| 04:38.32 | brlcad | cd incoming |
| 04:38.35 | brlcad | put config.log |
| 04:38.44 | brlcad | quit |
| 04:38.44 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:41.25 | Nohla | first it say only anonymous ftp are allowed, but after that ask me to login with user and pass |
| 04:42.08 | brlcad | never used ftp before I see..just put anything in for password, user is anonymous |
| 04:42.31 | brlcad | even nothing for password |
| 04:43.28 | Nohla | aaaah It's kidding me :) |
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| 04:56.47 | Nohla | just wait for me a moment |
| 04:56.47 | brlcad | waits patiently |
| 04:56.47 | juantelez | jaja |
| 04:56.47 | Nohla | juantelez sos un idiota |
| 04:56.47 | brlcad | jeje |
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| 05:15.40 | Nohla | brlcad can you see it? |
| 05:20.29 | Nohla | starseeker brlcad are you there? |
| 05:22.44 | starseeker | here |
| 05:22.51 | starseeker | I see it |
| 05:24.50 | starseeker | hmm - odd |
| 05:25.10 | starseeker | what's the last message you got from configure on the terminal before it exited? |
| 05:26.47 | Nohla | starseeker I've sent it by email too |
| 05:30.53 | brlcad | Nohla: yep! you got it |
| 05:30.58 | brlcad | what was the problem? |
| 05:31.22 | Nohla | brlcad where, by ftp? |
| 05:31.42 | Nohla | # /incoming/config.log?? |
| 05:32.16 | brlcad | by ftp |
| 05:32.26 | starseeker | apparently there is no Makefile in doc/docbook |
| 05:32.42 | brlcad | Nohla: what changed that it finally worked? |
| 05:32.45 | brlcad | (ftp) |
| 05:32.52 | starseeker | hrm... |
| 05:33.59 | Nohla | brlcad me? |
| 05:34.15 | brlcad | Nohla: yes, you :) |
| 05:34.51 | brlcad | Nohla: cuando hiciste el ftp las primera veces, no funciono' .. que cambio? |
| 05:35.13 | Nohla | instale gftp |
| 05:35.31 | Nohla | y me quit? el enojo :P |
| 05:35.35 | brlcad | heh, okay |
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| 05:47.20 | brlcad | ahh, interesting.. her configure failure is due to the recent change trying to get aquatk working better |
| 05:47.35 | brlcad | no longer just 'yes', it did the test for X11 and AquaTk.. and came up with nothing for her so instead of a compile-time failure, it fell through into the "use system tk" case and failed |
| 05:47.45 | brlcad | ahh, system tk case needs more logic now (in case it's a non-x11/non-tk build) |
| 05:48.52 | Nohla | brlcad are you talking with me? |
| 05:50.14 | Nohla | I'm fixing my friendship with juantelez yet :P |
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| 06:07.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36909 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/README: document what the various manual page sections actually mean |
| 06:08.09 | brlcad | Nohla: no, just commenting about your configure failure |
| 06:09.17 | Nohla | brlcad did you find the problem? |
| 06:10.07 | brlcad | yeah, the problem is you're missing some pieces that are expected in order to compile |
| 06:10.25 | brlcad | developer header files |
| 06:11.17 | Nohla | ... |
| 06:11.41 | brlcad | basically, what starseeker mentioned you should install -- xorg-dev, bison, and flex for starters |
| 06:11.47 | Nohla | too late to tray to guess |
| 06:12.09 | Nohla | I've done when he said that |
| 06:12.27 | brlcad | then you should be able to run ./configure again |
| 06:12.32 | brlcad | see if it succeeds |
| 06:12.48 | brlcad | rm *cache* |
| 06:12.58 | brlcad | (before configure) |
| 06:13.14 | Nohla | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.30 | brlcad | that removes a temporary cache file that configure generates |
| 06:14.20 | brlcad | it uses the cache file instead of retrying a test when it can |
| 06:15.07 | brlcad | since you installed new things, it's a good idea to delete the cache file and run configure cleanly |
| 06:16.02 | brlcad | alternative is to just run sh autogen.sh again (and it will delete the cache too) |
| 06:19.13 | Nohla | working as you expected |
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| 06:31.26 | Nohla | brlcad: wow, and working a lot |
| 06:33.05 | Nohla | well, leave it working, good night or whatever :) |
| 06:44.43 | brlcad | hasta luego! |
| 06:49.33 | Nohla | brlcad I'll let you working too |
| 06:49.34 | Nohla | make[2]: *** [fbserv] Error 1 |
| 06:49.35 | Nohla | make[2]: se sale del directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad/src/fbserv' |
| 06:49.35 | Nohla | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 06:49.35 | Nohla | make[1]: se sale del directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad/src' |
| 06:49.35 | Nohla | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 06:50.26 | Nohla | before: |
| 06:50.26 | Nohla | make[3]: se sale del directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad/src/conv' |
| 06:50.27 | Nohla | make[2]: se sale del directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad/src/conv' |
| 06:50.27 | Nohla | Making all in fbserv |
| 06:53.16 | brlcad | need what preceeded that |
| 06:53.25 | brlcad | before the Error 1 |
| 06:53.57 | Nohla | you won't let me sleep, no? :) |
| 06:54.21 | brlcad | heh, :) |
| 06:54.40 | brlcad | you can sleep, we can continue later today/tomorrow/whenever :) |
| 06:55.37 | Nohla | deps/walk_example.Tpo -c -o walk_example.o walk_example.c |
| 06:55.37 | Nohla | mv -f .deps/walk_example.Tpo .deps/walk_example.Po |
| 06:55.37 | Nohla | /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --tag=CC --silent --mode=link gcc -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -o walk_example walk_example.o ../../src/librt/librt.la |
| 06:55.37 | Nohla | make[3]: se sale del directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad/src/conv' |
| 06:55.37 | Nohla | make[2]: se sale del directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad/src/conv' |
| 06:55.39 | Nohla | Making all in fbserv |
| 06:55.41 | Nohla | make[2]: se ingresa al directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad/src/fbserv' |
| 06:55.43 | Nohla | gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../include -I../../src/other/tcl/generic -I../../src/other/tcl/unix -I/usr/local/include -DBRLCADBUILD=1 -I../../include -I../../src/other/openNURBS -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -MT fbserv.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/fbserv.Tpo -c -o fbserv.o fbserv.c |
| 06:55.47 | Nohla | mv -f .deps/fbserv.Tpo .deps/fbserv.Po |
| 06:55.49 | Nohla | gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../include -I../../src/other/tcl/generic -I../../src/other/tcl/unix -I/usr/local/include -DBRLCADBUILD=1 -I../../include -I../../src/other/openNURBS -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -MT server.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/server.Tpo -c -o server.o server.c |
| 06:55.53 | Nohla | mv -f .deps/server.Tpo .deps/server.Po |
| 06:55.55 | Nohla | /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --tag=CC --silent --mode=link gcc -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -o fbserv fbserv.o server.o ../../src/libfb/libfb.la |
| 06:55.59 | Nohla | ../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `yIMG2SCR' |
| 06:56.03 | Nohla | ../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `xIMG2SCR' |
| 06:56.05 | Nohla | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 06:56.07 | Nohla | make[2]: *** [fbserv] Error 1 |
| 06:56.09 | Nohla | make[2]: se sale del directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad/src/fbserv' |
| 06:56.11 | Nohla | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 06:56.13 | Nohla | make[1]: se sale del directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad/src' |
| 06:56.15 | Nohla | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 06:56.17 | Nohla | if it isn't enought, se continue another day |
| 06:56.21 | brlcad | huh, that looks like starseeker's doing :) |
| 06:56.23 | Nohla | s/se/we |
| 06:56.41 | Nohla | wake him up :) |
| 06:56.49 | brlcad | he apparently broke the compile earlier today :) |
| 06:57.05 | brlcad | that is enough |
| 06:57.35 | Nohla | well, good morning :( |
| 06:57.44 | Nohla | s/:(/:) |
| 06:57.53 | Nohla | o sea: :) |
| 06:58.10 | brlcad | that fixes it |
| 06:58.15 | Nohla | gracias de nuevo, contribu?s a mi buen humor |
| 06:58.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36910 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_X.c: the defines must come before the usages or there will be undefined references in the resultant library. |
| 06:58.20 | brlcad | :) |
| 06:58.28 | brlcad | svn up src/libfb |
| 06:58.33 | brlcad | make |
| 06:59.56 | brlcad | Nohla: gracias por vos paciencia ;) |
| 07:00.25 | Nohla | mmm, me falt? la paciencia por un momento hoy, por eso precis? mas de la de ustedes :) |
| 07:02.39 | brlcad | si no entendiste, el CIA-38 "commit" alli se arreglo' el compile, ya va continuar mas |
| 07:03.25 | brlcad | has tenido mucha paciencia |
| 07:03.34 | brlcad | goes both ways, thanks |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36911 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: refactor the Tk compilation testing to allow Tk to auto-disable if there isn't a |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: suitable X11/AquaTk or other subsystem available to build tk ourselves and there |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: isn't a suitable system library that seems to work right. this should let Tk be |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: optional at least during configure time (compile may still have some |
| 07:12.22 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: assumptions) and will make it blather a strong message with delay if MGED's Tk |
| 07:12.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: GUI is getting turned off. |
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| 12:57.22 | starseeker | brlcad: ooops, sorry about that |
| 12:59.49 | starseeker | musta had some stale files hanging around |
| 13:04.28 | starseeker | really, all Nohla needed for translation was to build doc/docbook... |
| 13:04.28 | starseeker | ah well, good experience |
| 13:04.51 | louipc | docbook toolchain not playing nice? |
| 13:05.06 | starseeker | louipc: actually that's behaving reasonably well |
| 13:05.34 | starseeker | our Spanish translater is being tutored in setting up a svn BRL-CAD build |
| 13:06.21 | starseeker | lot to take in from a cold standing start, and some stuff I've been doing elsewhere didn't build out of box on her setup (my fault) |
| 13:06.30 | louipc | cool |
| 13:07.09 | starseeker | the minimum for what she is doing is to be able to run make in doc/docbook, but of course it's better for her to have the full setup |
| 13:07.21 | louipc | I need to get dockbook sgml working properly on my system |
| 13:07.23 | starseeker | particularly if any screenshots need to be localized |
| 13:07.38 | starseeker | actually we're using xml, not sgml :-) |
| 13:07.55 | louipc | I know, but there's some other projects that use sgml |
| 13:08.02 | starseeker | ah, true |
| 13:08.51 | starseeker | 'nother few years, I'm hoping a solid Docbook toolchain will be standard on most Linux distros, but it doesn't quite seem to be there yet |
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| 13:09.13 | louipc | yeah |
| 13:09.20 | louipc | it seems too fragmented |
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| 14:29.12 | starseeker | hmm: http://blog.ostp.gov/2009/12/09/ostp-to-launch-public-forum-on-how-best-to-make-federally-funded-research-available-for-free/ |
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| 15:46.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r36912 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librtserver/rtserver.c: Added region id and air code to the output buffer |
| 15:53.24 | brlcad | http://johnmacphail.com/2009/12/send-in-the-autocad-clone/ |
| 15:56.31 | starseeker | brlcad: heh, cool |
| 15:56.48 | starseeker | not sure I'd agree "very little" has happened with BRL-CAD though ;-) |
| 16:00.29 | brlcad | quite true |
| 16:00.49 | brlcad | I don't think he means to brl-cad directly, more the commmunity adopting it |
| 16:01.34 | louipc | depends on your perspective too |
| 16:01.59 | louipc | there's tons of development, but little that would seem to attract most CAD users |
| 16:03.08 | brlcad | right |
| 16:03.18 | louipc | or what has been developed isn't pushed to the forefront |
| 16:03.20 | brlcad | and that's what I'd call the "expectation chasm" |
| 16:03.27 | louipc | g3d, archer |
| 16:04.13 | brlcad | there's a disjoint understanding between wanting a particular feature and realizing what has to happen within the system to make that happen, the level of effort and fundamental capabilities that are required |
| 16:05.15 | brlcad | and not just on the order of "oh that should take a few months" and being wrong a few months .. it's features that generally take several years of effort, taken for granted because of the magnitude of effort that goes into the big commercial systems |
| 16:06.45 | brlcad | not to mention not having a solid understanding (pun intended) on the differences between drafting features, boundary representations, CADD vs CAD, solid modeling, explicit vs implicit representations, etc |
| 16:07.13 | brlcad | they just want a button that generates their hidden line annotated drafting diagrams in pdf format |
| 16:07.54 | brlcad | with input coming from a myrid of formats and modeling approaches with various representation types |
| 16:16.03 | starseeker | which hopefully will be what FreeCAD will be good for until we get there |
| 16:18.52 | brlcad | nah, I still think we'll get there first |
| 16:19.06 | brlcad | it's not just raw output of a diagram, it's the whole workflow |
| 16:19.22 | brlcad | it has to be a system that will read their format (whatever it is) faithfully |
| 16:19.37 | brlcad | it has to represent it fully, process it and repair their mistakes automatically |
| 16:20.15 | brlcad | it has to often anticipate what the modeler wants through conventions made pervasive by other systems |
| 16:20.50 | brlcad | it has to be even easier to use than what they already know because they don't want to invest the time and effort to learn something different |
| 16:21.01 | brlcad | at least those are some of the expectations |
| 16:21.18 | brlcad | freecad is way farther from most of that than we are |
| 16:24.01 | starseeker | nods |
| 16:24.54 | starseeker | bemusedly dreams of the day BRL-CAD will be easier to use than other CAD systems ;-) |
| 16:25.41 | starseeker | although I suppose the lack of a $5000+ cover fee counts for a lot of usability |
| 16:26.29 | louipc | 5k is the upgrade fee |
| 16:27.15 | louipc | well... that's for like a 3rd tier CAD/CAM system |
| 16:28.03 | starseeker | erm... ow... |
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| 19:05.24 | starseeker | hrm - bwish isn't installed?? |
| 19:05.52 | starseeker | oh |
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| 19:49.14 | starseeker | hmm, that's worth noting - Tk 8.6 is using Cocoa, not carbon |
| 19:49.30 | starseeker | should make for some entertaining testing... |
| 19:51.35 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36916 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Switch some WITH_X11 toggles to WITH_TK toggles |
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| 20:59.49 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36917 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mouse.tcl: Ah HAH - move windows out from under the top level toolbar on OSX when place_near_mouse is being called. |
| 21:35.16 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36918 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/archer: Make sure Archer doesn't start up under the OSX menubar - need to figure out best behavior on startup generally for window placement, but this will keep Archer out of trouble on OSX for now. |
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| 23:29.58 | starseeker | makes a note to figure out why png icons suck in Aqua... |
| 23:47.41 | ``Erik | icons in what sense, and suck how? |
| 23:49.47 | starseeker | archer's icon toolbar, and the transparency rendering is messed up |
| 23:49.55 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/archer_aquatk_aquatheme.png |
| 23:49.55 | ``Erik | ah *shrug* |
| 23:50.10 | starseeker | tries an experiment... if this works Bob will hate me... |
| 23:55.17 | ``Erik | tkimg? heh |
| 23:58.11 | starseeker | not sure if we want to do that... but worth a try to see if it fixes something |
| 00:07.51 | starseeker | is agast at the full size of tkimg... |
| 00:10.08 | starseeker | aaaand, that's moderately worse |
| 00:10.13 | starseeker | alrightie then |
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| 01:05.32 | starseeker | hey Nohla :-) |
| 01:05.42 | Nohla | starseeker hi |
| 01:06.25 | Nohla | I was working with eyes closed today :P |
| 01:08.24 | starseeker | heh |
| 01:08.39 | starseeker | did your build succeed? |
| 01:12.14 | Nohla | I think so |
| 01:12.18 | Nohla | brlcad helped me |
| 01:12.25 | starseeker | excellent |
| 01:12.35 | starseeker | you saw how it built the spanish html and pdf? |
| 01:15.17 | Nohla | starseeker are you always so active at this hour of the night? :) |
| 01:16.16 | Nohla | (I'm cooking at the same time I aswer you) |
| 01:17.40 | starseeker | usually |
| 01:19.27 | starseeker | I will need to leave for a while, so if you have questions now is the time |
| 01:20.22 | Nohla | :) It's ok for today |
| 01:20.30 | Nohla | I'm hungry :) |
| 01:20.43 | starseeker | ok :) |
| 01:20.45 | Nohla | but thanks |
| 02:39.28 | brlcad | yawns |
| 02:44.17 | Nohla | brlcad hi |
| 02:45.09 | brlcad | hola Nohla |
| 02:48.36 | Nohla | recordando el español de nuevo? :) |
| 03:14.33 | brlcad | solo regresa con uso |
| 03:15.58 | starseeker | brlcad: I wonder how Bob would react if I yank out the dll/so loader function and do traditional package require in Archer :-) |
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| 04:28.59 | brlcad | starseeker: if it works, doesn't matter |
| 04:29.11 | brlcad | not sure they're proper packages |
| 04:29.40 | brlcad | don't recall there being a pkgIndex.tcl for tkimg, could be wrong |
| 04:38.02 | brlcad | yeah, don't see one -- would have to probably create an init func and the index file at a minimum; basic packaging |
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| 06:17.52 | starseeker | brlcad: not sure how it would work on Windows |
| 06:18.20 | starseeker | or rather, if our Windows build can do the subconfigure stuff correctly |
| 06:19.27 | starseeker | tkhtml3 seems to be the first real attempt to do a "proper" install of a package require library to the in-tree tcl/tk - since that's not working on Windows yet it's kinda unexplored turf |
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| 06:45.53 | talcite | have any of you guys gotten a chance to take a look at the fedora bugzilla? I've run into snags with tkhtml3 and tkImg integration (one bundles licenses, the other static libs) . Is there any chance that we can get around it from this end? |
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| 13:51.44 | starseeker | blinks - static libs in tkhtml3? |
| 13:51.55 | starseeker | is he talking about how it builds itself? |
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| 15:57.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36922 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/cline/cline.c: quell all verbose extra compilation warnings, mostly about unused params. add data validation on those params or mark as unused where appropriate. |
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| 16:00.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: sorry we kissed " she said. "That was sweet. ...' (and the only contributor was |
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| 16:01.31 | ``Erik | uhm |
| 16:05.55 | ``Erik | odd |
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| 16:38.41 | talcite | huh. Got a reply from Toshio at the fedora project. |
| 16:40.16 | talcite | Essentially I need to fix both tkImg and tkHTML before we can get inclusion. So either I rewrite them to use dynamic libs or we remove the dependencies from brlcad |
| 16:43.53 | starseeker | removing them is a problem |
| 16:44.05 | starseeker | what's the trouble with tkhtml3? |
| 16:44.19 | starseeker | hadn't noticed we were building it static... |
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| 16:59.56 | talcite | starseeker: oops. sorry, didn't see the message. Yes, tkhtml3 includes static libs afaik |
| 17:00.10 | talcite | atleast, their website claims to... |
| 17:01.12 | starseeker | talcite: check src/other/tkhtml3 |
| 17:01.35 | starseeker | they have a static binary of hv3... |
| 17:01.45 | starseeker | I didn't see any separate build of tkhtml3 at all |
| 17:02.44 | talcite | hmm. I'll need to look into it more. Maybe they just meant it doesn't have external dependencies |
| 17:04.07 | starseeker | talcite: were are you getting the tkhtml3 you intend to add to fedora? |
| 17:04.16 | talcite | starseeker: off the website |
| 17:04.23 | talcite | brlcad said that there weren't any source changes to it |
| 17:04.48 | starseeker | ok, but you're doing JUST tkhtml3 and not hv3 right? |
| 17:04.53 | starseeker | hv3 is more than just tkhtml3 |
| 17:04.58 | talcite | so I was just planning on using native sources instead of abstracting it out of our program |
| 17:04.59 | talcite | yes |
| 17:05.17 | starseeker | ok... we might have a few build system changes in our tree, I'm not sure |
| 17:05.40 | talcite | we can do a diff on them. shouldn't be too tough |
| 17:05.43 | starseeker | so when you build tkhtml3, you're getting static results? |
| 17:06.26 | starseeker | 'cause here I get libTkhtml3.0.dylib (Mac) |
| 17:06.29 | talcite | starseeker: no, the website says it's static. I haven't built and checked for it yet |
| 17:06.56 | starseeker | talcite: ok, build it and check :-) |
| 17:06.57 | talcite | starseeker: I don't mean that tkhtml3 is static itself, it contains static libs within it |
| 17:07.15 | starseeker | I don't know that tkhtml3 contains any libs, just it's own code |
| 17:07.21 | starseeker | tkimg is a different matter |
| 17:09.10 | talcite | hmm. Well the website could be out of date or inaccurate. Maybe it was talking about hv3 |
| 17:09.54 | talcite | I'm sure that tkimg contains libs within it though. The release notes have a detailed section about them |
| 17:11.03 | starseeker | yes |
| 17:11.04 | talcite | tkimg is the crucial package isnt' it? |
| 17:11.04 | starseeker | I'd bet hv3 is what they're talking about on the website |
| 17:11.05 | talcite | I thought tkhtml could be removed in the past |
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| 17:18.39 | starseeker | talcite: it can be, but you lose html display of man pages in MGED |
| 17:18.52 | talcite | I see |
| 17:19.05 | starseeker | talcite: as for tkimg, I'm working on switching us to tkpng |
| 17:19.30 | talcite | well tkhtml looks like it doesn't have any static libs right now |
| 17:19.40 | talcite | I need to inspect the makefile, but it looks pretty clean |
| 17:19.44 | starseeker | we only use a tiny subset of tkimg, so we'll go the smaller, cleaner route (tk 8.6 should actually incorporate tkpng's abilities into the core, so it will go away altogether) |
| 17:19.57 | talcite | ahh I see |
| 17:20.24 | starseeker | if you look at our src/other/tkimg it's actually a small subset of the full tkimg |
| 17:21.57 | talcite | tkpng looks pretty cool |
| 17:22.02 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36924 10/brlcad/trunk/src/archer/archer: If we're doing aqua rendering, go aqua rather than clam for the theme. |
| 17:22.34 | talcite | starseeker: any idea on when tkpng will be integrated? |
| 17:23.28 | brlcad | talcite: tkhtml3 doesn't include any 3rd party libs nor does it have any external dependencies except tcl and tk |
| 17:23.45 | starseeker | talcite: should be before the January src release - I've got a test build working but I need to get it to function with a local libz |
| 17:23.48 | brlcad | not sure what gave you that impression, the sources are pretty simple .. |
| 17:23.58 | talcite | brlcad: I see. crazy website =/ |
| 17:24.07 | talcite | yeah. I just looked through the sources |
| 17:24.33 | brlcad | we didn't make any source changes, but there were a few (minor) build system tweaks for portability |
| 17:24.48 | starseeker | brlcad: they talk up hv3 (their big mega-browser-thingy) and have big static builds of that as the main download on the project website (sucks) |
| 17:25.05 | starseeker | they really need to split that sucker into multiple downloads |
| 17:25.14 | brlcad | and so it'd integrate cleanly with the default automake build rules (e.g., fixing distcheck, distclean, etc) |
| 17:26.21 | talcite | starseeker: alright. I'll hold off on rebuilding the package till after the january release. tkhtml, Utah, and TNT should keep me busy in the meanwhile |
| 17:27.30 | brlcad | what was the issue with tkimg? |
| 17:28.25 | brlcad | our inclusion of tkimg is pretty minimal with no bundled libs, don't recall if we modified it to be that way or if it was originally that way |
| 17:29.00 | starseeker | brlcad: he would have to make an external tkimg rpm for Fedora |
| 17:29.29 | starseeker | that would either involve doing tkimg "right" using the main repository, or forking our little subset and making an rpm of IT (which I doubt they would accept) |
| 17:29.59 | brlcad | he would have to make an external tkpng rpm for Fedora too.. just want to make sure it's not a wash :) |
| 17:30.14 | brlcad | is ours a subset? |
| 17:30.30 | starseeker | That would be easier - I gather tkimg stomps all over the Fedora guidelines for included libs |
| 17:30.31 | brlcad | i vaguely recall tkimg having separate libs for each format |
| 17:30.58 | brlcad | again, ours has no included libs |
| 17:31.04 | brlcad | did we do that or is that how it came? |
| 17:31.13 | starseeker | dunno |
| 17:31.30 | starseeker | all I can say is when I checked out the tkimg repository it looked almost nothign like ours |
| 17:31.33 | brlcad | or is it a simple matter like our src/other in that they bundle and it's just there for release control and download convenience for stand-alone compiles |
| 17:32.08 | brlcad | having the sources shouldn't be a problem, it's whether it uses them during compile or not, and that can be controlled by the rpm |
| 17:32.32 | brlcad | it looks like we gutted their build system |
| 17:33.03 | starseeker | nods - if they allow external libs during build it could work - I just don't know if they do - when I ran the default configure here it looked like it walked into all the lib directories (took a while) |
| 17:34.04 | brlcad | yeah, I don't think an rpm would be that hard at all, the deps shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:34.34 | brlcad | tkpng could be even simpler still, but I don't see tkimg as a problem if we have to in the meantime |
| 17:35.32 | starseeker | talcite: um... - is this of interest? http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/fedora/devel/x86_64/tkimg-1.4-0.6.20091129svn.fc13.x86_64.html |
| 17:36.11 | brlcad | whether they do or don't "allow" external libs is a really *trivial build matter that wouldn't be hard to change, not an reason to discount it by itself |
| 17:36.11 | talcite | starseeker: : what the heck? That definitely wasn't there before.... |
| 17:36.19 | brlcad | haha |
| 17:36.21 | talcite | well 1129.. I guess it saves some work =) |
| 17:37.10 | starseeker | first rule of solving a problem in open source - make sure someone else hasn't solved it already ;-P |
| 17:37.32 | starseeker | http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=tkimg |
| 17:37.32 | brlcad | http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=tkimg&submit=Search |
| 17:37.44 | starseeker | hehe |
| 17:37.44 | brlcad | looks like since fed 9 |
| 17:37.47 | talcite | yeah. I checked both in the existing packages and also in the packages being developed |
| 17:38.06 | talcite | really? that's strange. |
| 17:38.21 | talcite | ... it's there |
| 17:38.21 | brlcad | http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=tkhtml |
| 17:38.28 | talcite | arghhh |
| 17:38.44 | brlcad | ahh, that's not tkhtml3 |
| 17:38.50 | starseeker | will still be switching to tkpng, but it DEFINITELY looks like the rpm need not wait on that |
| 17:39.25 | brlcad | http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=tkhtml3 <-- heh, but that is |
| 17:39.28 | starseeker | Yeah, looks like only Mandriva has tkhtml3 |
| 17:39.46 | talcite | brlcad: yeah, but tkimg was also one of the ones that I had us statically compile because I thought it wasn't in fedora |
| 17:39.46 | brlcad | interesting that "tkhtml" doesn't match the "tkhtml3" search |
| 17:39.49 | talcite | I have no idea how I missed that |
| 17:40.12 | brlcad | looks like your job is done! |
| 17:40.17 | talcite | err not statically compile, but have us compile from within the project |
| 17:40.22 | talcite | yeah =S |
| 17:40.26 | starseeker | checks Utah and TNT... |
| 17:40.41 | talcite | hmm tkpng is already in fedora. convenient |
| 17:40.54 | brlcad | TNT doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me as an RPM .. it's just a set of headers |
| 17:41.08 | talcite | no, utah and tnt aren't there. I just checked again |
| 17:41.10 | brlcad | nothing to compile |
| 17:41.23 | talcite | hmm. that's true |
| 17:41.26 | brlcad | no resulting "library" |
| 17:41.38 | talcite | I was actually thinking about that the other day. It could possibly only exist as a dev package? |
| 17:41.50 | brlcad | are there separate -dev packages? |
| 17:41.55 | talcite | yes |
| 17:42.01 | talcite | devel to be more precise |
| 17:42.02 | brlcad | ah, then yeah .. that's all it'd be |
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| 17:42.25 | talcite | I'm actually curious about how they managed to build tkImg in fedora |
| 17:42.41 | starseeker | talcite: if I were you I'd not dig in too deep |
| 17:42.44 | brlcad | with the install amounting to something like "for i in *.h ; do cp $i $INSTROOOOT ; done" |
| 17:42.57 | talcite | starseeker: haha shooting myself in the foot? =) |
| 17:42.58 | starseeker | if the notice it's doing something "against policy" you might get elected to fix it :-P |
| 17:43.34 | brlcad | http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=RLE&submit=Search+...&system=&arch= |
| 17:44.08 | talcite | wait. They're using tkimg v1.4 |
| 17:44.10 | talcite | is that even out? |
| 17:44.31 | starseeker | talcite: it shouldn't matter |
| 17:44.44 | starseeker | we don't exactly strain tkimg... |
| 17:44.50 | talcite | well, the thing is that they may have changed the lib inclusion format |
| 17:44.59 | talcite | between 1.3 and 1.4 I mean |
| 17:45.16 | talcite | I just checked, the website has 1.3 . What's going on? |
| 17:45.35 | starseeker | they're tracking subversion (or cvs) |
| 17:45.52 | talcite | they should put that in the version info if they were |
| 17:46.06 | talcite | oh wait, they put it in the release stuff. ok |
| 17:46.37 | brlcad | notes that we're probably the maintainers of URT at this point |
| 17:46.50 | talcite | really? I thought you guys didn't change it |
| 17:47.05 | starseeker | he means the original team isn't actively working on it anymore |
| 17:47.37 | starseeker | hadn't looked at utah rle much... |
| 17:47.40 | starseeker | googles... |
| 17:47.42 | brlcad | URT was part of the "Alpha 1" project, which BRL funded back in the day |
| 17:48.18 | brlcad | Alpha 1 was a larger umbrella project aim at (*drumroll*) developing a NURBS ray tracing capability |
| 17:49.27 | starseeker | winces |
| 17:49.53 | starseeker | I don't even see where to download it... |
| 17:50.02 | brlcad | they got it working, one of the first |
| 17:50.14 | brlcad | but the project was a bit of a fiasco, though |
| 17:50.25 | brlcad | got mired in legal problems |
| 17:50.31 | starseeker | yuck |
| 17:50.43 | talcite | =/ |
| 17:50.44 | starseeker | leave it to the lawyers... |
| 17:52.05 | talcite | Utah is clean though right? |
| 17:52.12 | starseeker | ah, yes... http://www.cs.utah.edu/gdc/projects/alpha1/ |
| 17:52.27 | brlcad | as I understand it (purely anecdotal), BRL threw several million at UofUtah to write the code, they did, then UofUtah told BRL they didn't have rights use ite |
| 17:52.48 | brlcad | legal battle ensued |
| 17:53.23 | starseeker | and evidently Utah hung onto it |
| 17:53.30 | talcite | huh. well that's something |
| 17:54.15 | brlcad | in the end, I think both sides walked away, UoUtah got a bunch of papers (and money) out of the deal |
| 17:54.47 | brlcad | utah saw dollar signs when they got it working, wanted to sell it |
| 17:55.14 | brlcad | apparently licensed it to at least one group, FeatureCAM |
| 17:55.32 | starseeker | bah. Whatever happened to the idea of universities doing research for the betterment of humanity, not commercial gain? |
| 17:56.10 | brlcad | that was long before my time, 15-20 years iirc |
| 17:56.54 | starseeker | and we end up with libutahrle, which I gather is used for format conversion? |
| 17:57.15 | brlcad | URT was at least released, way back in late 80's |
| 17:57.47 | brlcad | libutahrle is like libpng, we have a bunch of image processing tools that use it |
| 17:58.14 | brlcad | looks like 58 tools |
| 17:59.23 | brlcad | provides fast, simple, and lossless .pix/.bw compression |
| 18:00.19 | brlcad | worth noting that probably 30-40 of the rle tools are from URT, the rest are ours using libutahrle |
| 18:00.35 | starseeker | hrm |
| 18:00.58 | brlcad | useful processing plugins when we get that all working |
| 18:01.55 | starseeker | where does that leave talcite for making an rpm? Are we now the canonical source? |
| 18:02.21 | ``Erik | shudders recalling his pcx loader for quake shtuff |
| 18:04.49 | brlcad | doesn't really affect talcite making an rpm |
| 18:05.31 | talcite | so no source changes? |
| 18:06.01 | brlcad | nothing major that should affect integration |
| 18:07.44 | brlcad | if you really want to cleanest set of sources, that would be ours |
| 18:08.42 | brlcad | but we already break out librle from the tools |
| 18:09.18 | brlcad | we're basically 3.1b + minor build tweaks with URT and librle separated |
| 18:10.02 | brlcad | talcite: the existing RPM is no good? |
| 18:10.33 | brlcad | http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=RLE |
| 18:11.28 | talcite | brlcad: haven't tried yet. I probably need to work from native sources though. The package reviewers would have a fit if they weren't |
| 18:11.54 | brlcad | that's my point, we could certainly become the native sources |
| 18:12.17 | brlcad | could set up a proper project for URT, push out a new release |
| 18:12.25 | talcite | ohhh that's what you mean |
| 18:12.39 | brlcad | there is no upstream |
| 18:13.05 | talcite | it'd make things much simpler if we could. At the current situation, I'd be forced to become upstream myself |
| 18:13.55 | talcite | could we push out a project for utah, nurbs, and STEP? |
| 18:14.05 | brlcad | spencer isn't at uofutah any longer, there is no upstream |
| 18:15.14 | brlcad | nurbs I wouldn't want to usurp personally, we're already pushing mcneal's generosity given how we use their toolkit |
| 18:15.22 | brlcad | STEP we certainly could |
| 18:16.26 | brlcad | also has no interested/viable upstream, already gave us the go-ahead for takeover a couple years ago |
| 18:16.45 | talcite | hmm. Alright, I'll talk to the fedora devs about nurbs. Once utah and step are re-released, I'll go ahead and package them |
| 18:17.29 | brlcad | setting up utah and step projects will probably take a couple weeks |
| 18:18.03 | brlcad | (given the time of year and all) |
| 18:19.29 | starseeker | talcite: what do you need for "separate project?" tarball that can build on its own? |
| 18:20.56 | talcite | preferably its own tracker. Something I can point to when people are looking for sources and bug reports |
| 18:22.06 | starseeker | uh.. that might as well be our current stuff for BRL-CAD - what would be wrong with tarballs for those two and pointers to our current support channels? |
| 18:23.21 | talcite | probably not an issue |
| 18:23.36 | talcite | I'll double check with the fedora devs though |
| 18:23.41 | starseeker | k |
| 18:24.25 | starseeker | step already has its own subconfigure - utahrle does not, currently |
| 18:26.12 | starseeker | gonna have to update the detection logic for step building (or more probably create it, I doubt I did it right the first time) |
| 18:35.40 | brlcad | step will be pretty easy, urt will need some cleanup to warrant a 3.2 or 4.0 release |
| 18:36.51 | brlcad | i'll submit a project request to give them a tracker home |
| 18:37.51 | brlcad | then can link through some subdomains, get basic services set up |
| 18:37.56 | starseeker | utahrle.sf.net? |
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| 20:16.19 | starseeker | heh - brlcad got killed by tofu |
| 20:17.21 | tofu | huh |
| 20:20.50 | starseeker | just the way the nicks came and went |
| 20:20.55 | starseeker | is easily amused |
| 20:21.21 | tofu | fails to locate a valid e-mail for nathan o'brien |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36925 10/brlcad/trunk/ (25 files in 8 dirs): |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Swap in tkpng for the small subset of tkimg we were previously using - also try |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: to set up tkpng to support 'proper' package require use. Archer appears to be |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the only app using it at the moment, so remove tkimg loading code and package |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: require tkpng instead. As of this checking tkpng won't build out of box in all |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: cases - the current src/other/tkpng is a pristine 0.9 tarball. Next checking |
| 20:27.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: will add specific changes to build logic for BRL-CAD. |
| 20:28.34 | starseeker | er, whooops - OK not quite pristine |
| 20:31.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36926 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkpng/Makefile.in: Whoops, looks like svn helpfully ignored the original Makefile.in |
| 20:32.00 | tofu | passes distcheck? |
| 20:33.40 | starseeker | tofu: not yet, working on it |
| 20:34.19 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36927 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkpng/ (Makefile.in configure configure.in): OK, add the tweaks to Makefile.in and configure.in. Shouldn't need the original configure file. This extension should disappear altogether if Tk8.6 brings native support for png. |
| 20:34.58 | starseeker | tofu: if you want we can revert it until after the release |
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| 21:08.55 | starseeker | starts distcheck and goes for food |
| 21:19.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36928 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_X.c: add prototype for genmap |
| 21:22.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36929 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (metaball/metaball.c table.c): fix metaball_adjust prototype |
| 21:27.59 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36930 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/tkImgFmtPIX.c: match type with fb.h |
| 21:43.15 | ``Erik | hm, seems to be some libtool vs not libtool confusion in tkpng |
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| 21:46.11 | ``Erik | http://paste.bzflag.bz/d49811205 |
| 21:56.59 | ``Erik | huh, xcb requires python? O.o |
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| 22:10.33 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36931 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: tkimg dir is no more. |
| 22:12.49 | talcite | heh yay |
| 22:12.51 | tofu | starseeker: per erik's paste, need to make the install rule manually run make all before make install, then install without libtool |
| 22:14.10 | starseeker | er... |
| 22:14.45 | ``Erik | this is pleasant, fbsd has a tkpng port |
| 22:15.36 | talcite | tkpng is already packaged into fedora as well |
| 22:15.54 | tofu | excellend |
| 22:15.56 | tofu | t* |
| 22:15.57 | ``Erik | so if the configure.ac is smart enough to use the system one, less in /usr/local/brlcad/ :) |
| 22:16.12 | starseeker | don't y'all get too happy too fast, I haven't got it working right yet |
| 22:16.20 | starseeker | <- autotools dummy :-( |
| 22:16.31 | talcite | I'm sure brlcad can get things working for you |
| 22:16.49 | starseeker | talcite: he'll let me flounder a while - good learning experience :-/ |
| 22:16.54 | talcite | there's also a channel here that helps with autotools... #toolchain or something? |
| 22:16.57 | talcite | heh |
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| 22:18.17 | ``Erik | learning experience, entertainment, something |
| 22:18.42 | talcite | ##workingset That was it |
| 22:18.49 | talcite | these guys are really good |
| 22:19.44 | starseeker | talcite: part of the issue is we have a rather advanced autotools setup compared to what a lot of projects have, and are doing a lot of custom things (the db directory is a good example) |
| 22:19.53 | brlcad | sees a couple bzflag devs in there |
| 22:20.59 | starseeker | brlcad: do you mean doing something like tkpng-install: tkpng-all in src/other/Makefile.am? |
| 22:21.29 | brlcad | no, i mean one line to run all |
| 22:21.31 | brlcad | another to run install |
| 22:21.34 | brlcad | for the install rule |
| 22:21.37 | starseeker | oh |
| 22:32.10 | ``Erik | wow, 33 megs in src/other/boost/ O.O |
| 22:35.28 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36932 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: If someone runs the install rule, make sure make all is run first. |
| 22:35.29 | starseeker | takes a stab at it... |
| 22:45.51 | starseeker | ``Erik: did that help any? |
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| 23:48.50 | yukonbob | brlcad: what's the "kde/hyrdrogen/linux" .po discussion that's been going on about? |
| 00:24.11 | ``Erik | starseeker: I've no idea, I did a build as I left, but I've been driving, waiting for accident cleanup, and grocery shopping :D |
| 00:24.28 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 00:24.49 | starseeker | Oh, are you redeemed now that 7.16.2 is installed? |
| 00:25.26 | ``Erik | huh? installed on what? O.o |
| 00:25.53 | ``Erik | <-- was still working on stripping down and building up a box for the port testing |
| 00:26.04 | starseeker | ISST |
| 00:26.12 | ``Erik | as for deployment, I still haven't chucked binaries around yet |
| 00:26.19 | starseeker | ah |
| 00:26.41 | ``Erik | ponders a q&d http query to alert people when an upgrade is available automagically |
| 00:30.45 | ``Erik | bought a nice fat ny strip, but it's already late and he's tired :( |
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| 07:16.34 | talcite | are we using tnt v1.26 or v.3.11? |
| 07:16.51 | talcite | technically v3.11 is beta, but it's over a year old already |
| 07:17.31 | talcite | best part is that TNT doesn't come with any readmes or anything. Can't tell by looking at the package usually =) |
| 07:29.19 | talcite | Oh and we're using Jama as well? |
| 07:39.14 | talcite | Hmm. Nevermind, it looks like we're using 3.05. Found it in tnt_vec.h =S |
| 07:40.35 | talcite | Is there likely to be a problem if we upgrade to 3.11? 3.05 source is no longer available at the TNT site. |
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| 15:17.17 | ``Erik | well now, tkpng is an odd monkey |
| 15:19.21 | brlcad | odd in the sense that he doesn't fling poo ? |
| 15:19.25 | ``Erik | suspects that it could be dumped and redone in very short order without the TEA weirdness |
| 15:19.44 | ``Erik | it implements it's own subset of PNG parsing/writing instead of just using libpng |
| 15:21.37 | ``Erik | the build for it is also fickle, I get crud about missing the symbol 'pow' in some places, the configure looks for it, but never tries to use it |
| 15:24.42 | ``Erik | imagines starseeker may've spent more effort trying to integrate it than it woulda taken to bridge between Tk_CreatePhotoImageFormat and libpng :) |
| 15:25.56 | ``Erik | ponders adding pix and bw tk image thingies to libtclcad |
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| 15:38.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36933 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: improvements to ADRT's cut mode |
| 15:41.51 | ``Erik | diff vs tag in svn is klugy :( |
| 15:48.23 | starseeker | ``Erik: it should go away altogether once Tk8.6 is out and we have it integrated |
| 15:48.30 | ``Erik | ah, 'k |
| 15:48.38 | ``Erik | didn't know 86 had core png support |
| 15:48.47 | starseeker | they're apparently basing it off of tkpng's code, too :-) |
| 15:49.07 | starseeker | so I figured if we could work using tkpng, we stood a good chance of working with vanilla 8.6 |
| 15:50.00 | ``Erik | wow, 86b1, dec 23 2008... |
| 15:50.11 | ``Erik | long beta |
| 15:50.30 | starseeker | yeah, they're doing some major rework of the Alpha OSX backend |
| 15:50.41 | starseeker | er Aqua even |
| 15:51.18 | ``Erik | ponders installing 86 on a bsd box (it's in ports) and trying to compile BRL-CAD against it O.o |
| 15:52.24 | starseeker | ``Erik: might be interesting |
| 15:52.49 | starseeker | will need to do it at some point, and I expect your bsd box will complain as loud or louder than anything else ;-) |
| 15:53.01 | ``Erik | (or making starseeker do it, since he has accounts on all these bsd boxen) |
| 16:09.42 | brlcad | starseeker: so the problem with van's code I think was isolated |
| 16:10.02 | brlcad | so you know, he was initializing his own resource structures (for smp processing) |
| 16:10.18 | brlcad | but even when you do that, you still have to init the rt_uniresource |
| 16:10.48 | brlcad | as there are many non-smp routines throughout librt that rely on the rt_uniresource for processing |
| 16:10.56 | starseeker | yeah, he emailed me too :-) |
| 16:11.18 | starseeker | excellent |
| 16:11.20 | brlcad | he didn't know that was the problem, I noticed just when I saw that snippet |
| 16:11.29 | starseeker | heh |
| 16:11.30 | brlcad | that snippet is bad |
| 16:11.41 | brlcad | it's not either, have to do both |
| 16:40.44 | talcite | hey guys. Did you use the 1.2.5 version of JAMA with the TNT stuff? |
| 16:42.31 | talcite | JAMA doesn't have version information in the comments like TNT did. Neither have readmes etc. |
| 16:50.52 | brlcad | talcite: not sure |
| 16:51.00 | brlcad | doesn't look like it was documented at the time |
| 16:51.22 | brlcad | the latest of both should work just fine |
| 16:51.50 | talcite | sounds good. I'll package those tomorrow night |
| 17:17.08 | brlcad | starseeker: have the pics |
| 17:20.02 | brlcad | 11 and 4 are probably the best, but you pick |
| 17:20.53 | brlcad | er, 12, and 4 |
| 17:31.47 | brlcad | maybe 6 |
| 17:32.05 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/tmp/marching_tets/ |
| 17:32.21 | brlcad | 12 is probably the more interesting angle |
| 17:48.30 | brlcad | cd tkpng && make LIBTOOL="../../../libtool --mode=link" LIBTOOLDIR=".libs/" LIBS="-lz" all |
| 17:48.34 | brlcad | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. |
| 17:49.23 | starseeker | erm |
| 17:49.58 | starseeker | brlcad: cool, thanks :-) |
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| 19:00.17 | brlcad | starseeker: nicely done! |
| 19:07.33 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 19:12.21 | ``Erik | jama 1.2.5 and tnt 1.2.6 |
| 19:16.06 | brlcad | how'd you figure that out? |
| 19:24.57 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36934 10/brlcad/trunk/ (21 files in 9 dirs): assume c89, no longer define USE_PROTOTYPES directly. leave it up to the compiler, but still don't even check for it since we assume at least c89. |
| 19:41.33 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks! :-) |
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| 20:11.09 | ``Erik | wild guess :D those've been the released ones for ages (and what I use as deps in fbsd) |
| 20:14.49 | ``Erik | looking at diffs of the file, only jaam_lu.h is any different, using NEAR_ZERO and renaming piv to pivot |
| 20:17.47 | ``Erik | and ayup, the diff's of jama_lu.h make it look like all those differences were added on dec 02, 2009 by someone named 'brlcad' :) it's 1.2.5 |
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| 22:51.39 | ``Erik | huh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dadPWhEhVk wonder what his software stack was |
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| 00:19.34 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, I"m getting the pow thing here too |
| 00:19.54 | ``Erik | it's not nomming -lm right for some reason... and it seems inconsistent O.o |
| 00:20.40 | starseeker | I don't suppose we can just hardcode it in? |
| 00:22.09 | starseeker | here's where we do it: AC_CHECK_LIB(m, cos, m_link_works=yes ; LIBM="-lm") |
| 00:23.16 | ``Erik | or gut the TEA crap and just write a nice clean automake bit to do it O:-) |
| 00:24.00 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh - brlcad wants us to stay with the existing external code whenever possible |
| 00:24.20 | starseeker | would already have tried that, except he wants to learn how to do this sort of thing correctly |
| 00:24.31 | starseeker | it likely won't be the last time we're faced with it |
| 00:25.36 | starseeker | supposes the "ultimate" solution to this would be to make tcl.m4 and automake "play nice", but last time I tried that all I did was expose my own ignorance |
| 00:26.46 | ``Erik | tkpng is a stopgap until 86 though, so *shrug* that one just doesn't matter, I'd imagine |
| 00:28.57 | starseeker | arrrrrgh. |
| 00:28.58 | starseeker | /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.4/../../../crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 00:28.58 | starseeker | (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main' |
| 00:28.58 | starseeker | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 00:29.07 | starseeker | add in -lm, and THAT happens |
| 00:29.46 | ``Erik | hm, then "ur doin it rong"? :D |
| 00:32.55 | starseeker | why is it looking for main while compiling a library?? |
| 00:34.58 | starseeker | oh, BLAST it |
| 00:35.12 | starseeker | the gcc command from the src/other/Makefile.am isn't including shared |
| 00:55.18 | starseeker | what the bleeeeep.... |
| 01:00.05 | ``Erik | outwitted by the machine yet again? :) |
| 01:00.24 | starseeker | if this sucker isn't AI complete I hate to think what that says about me |
| 01:00.54 | starseeker | mixing libtool and non-libtool config settings just ain't a happy thing |
| 01:02.18 | starseeker | the ironic thing is that --enable-all and the included libz make this significantly harder, instead of simpler :-/ |
| 01:02.23 | starseeker | figures |
| 01:06.23 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36935 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/other/Makefile.am): |
| 01:06.23 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Sigh. This probably violates some rule or other, but since we're passing in our |
| 01:06.23 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: own custom TKPNGZLIB variable anyway have it point to the .so link instead of |
| 01:06.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the .la file and take libtool out of the equation. Also add LIBM to the flags |
| 01:06.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: we need to feed the tkpng make process. |
| 01:10.47 | brlcad | that wont work starseeker |
| 01:11.09 | brlcad | it's only a .so on shared object library systems |
| 01:11.22 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36936 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkpng/Makefile.in: As long as libtool isn't being invoked, restore Makefile.in to pristine state. Now only change is removing explicit -lz in configure.in |
| 01:11.28 | brlcad | could be a .dylib or a .a or a .dll or ... |
| 01:11.39 | starseeker | brlcad: well blast it what do we do then |
| 01:11.47 | starseeker | libtool is screwing up good here |
| 01:12.03 | brlcad | what was the problem? (haven't read backlog) |
| 01:12.07 | brlcad | it was working.. |
| 01:12.18 | starseeker | not here, apparently |
| 01:12.28 | ``Erik | the problem is that TEA and auto* don't live together well :D *duck* |
| 01:12.36 | ``Erik | some machines don't see pow() |
| 01:12.47 | starseeker | that may be fixed with the LIBM flag |
| 01:13.17 | ``Erik | ah, new problems arose? :) |
| 01:13.18 | starseeker | my libtool call is looking for main because (for whatever reason) it's not including -shared in the gcc call |
| 01:13.40 | starseeker | that's what the "undefined reference to main" is |
| 01:13.53 | starseeker | flippin thing is trying to build a program, not a shared library |
| 01:14.07 | starseeker | and I can't even track down where that -shared is supposed to come from yet |
| 01:14.51 | ``Erik | usually it comes from it seeing the automake target having an LT in the name |
| 01:15.09 | ``Erik | lib_LIBRARIES vs lib_LTLIBRARIES iirc |
| 01:15.24 | brlcad | sounds like you're making the wrong libtool call then |
| 01:15.40 | brlcad | what's the actual error? |
| 01:15.55 | brlcad | and what's the compile/link line look like |
| 01:16.45 | ``Erik | got his sushi set today, can finally roll his maki with a real sushi mat instead of an old chinese calendar |
| 01:17.06 | starseeker | one sec... |
| 01:17.12 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36937 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/other/tkpng/Makefile.in): Good point Sean - .so extension is not universal. Keep looking... |
| 01:17.14 | ``Erik | might have to sharpen up my knife this weekend :) |
| 01:23.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36938 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: Put back the libtool stuff in src/other/Makefile.am |
| 01:24.16 | starseeker | my machine is so slow.... |
| 01:25.32 | starseeker | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m1b73e737 |
| 01:25.35 | starseeker | there we go |
| 01:26.08 | starseeker | the pow thing is handled by adding in LIBM, but the main is due to the missing -shared after gcc (manually inserting it and running that command succeeds) |
| 01:26.57 | brlcad | where is that -shared coming from? |
| 01:27.06 | brlcad | that's not a libtool option |
| 01:27.26 | brlcad | possibly preventing it from adding the flag(s) it needs |
| 01:27.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36939 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: OK, looks like the LIBM inclusion is legit. |
| 01:29.05 | brlcad | you basically just need to invoke libtool the same way it would be invoked if you wrote the Makefile.am with an LT_LIBRARIES declaration |
| 01:29.42 | brlcad | look at one of our other existing Makefiles that gets generated from Makefile.am to see what it adds or, if you have to, whip up a quick testing Makefile.am |
| 01:30.35 | starseeker | actually I think the -shared IS supposed to be after the gcc command, but gets lost in translation somehow? http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d4d5ba3c |
| 01:45.27 | brlcad | you're not supposed to figure out the gcc line |
| 01:45.33 | brlcad | you're supposed to figure out the libtool line |
| 01:45.40 | brlcad | remember, libtool is what you're actually running |
| 01:45.50 | brlcad | it takes a variety of options to tell it how to run |
| 01:46.05 | brlcad | it then figures out whether to use -shared or a variety of other possibilities |
| 01:46.19 | brlcad | depending on the flags you told it, the compiler being used, the OS, etc |
| 01:48.41 | starseeker | is experimenting with libtool now |
| 01:51.32 | brlcad | look at one of the other lib dirs, that has the logic in it lalready |
| 01:53.14 | starseeker | nods |
| 01:53.37 | starseeker | misses asdf right about now... |
| 01:58.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36940 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am: Start playing with libtool options |
| 01:58.58 | starseeker | that's all the options from one of the other makefiles before --mode-link |
| 02:04.49 | starseeker | good grief. this is more work than doing our own system |
| 02:05.57 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm going to revert to tkimg for now so the build will work again while I beat my head on this |
| 02:15.47 | ``Erik | .asd files have their own quirks, though... |
| 02:19.54 | starseeker | ``Erik: they do |
| 02:21.13 | starseeker | but they don't have all the bizarre syntax fun |
| 02:22.27 | starseeker | hrm... since talcite has a tkimg package on Fedora, perhaps the smart move is just to wait for Tk8.6 on this one |
| 02:23.38 | starseeker | is of the opinion that a general solution for passing info to subconfigures is in order, but so far looks to be too dim a bulb to get a grasp of it... |
| 02:28.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36941 10/brlcad/trunk/ (124 files in 12 dirs): |
| 02:28.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Merge back in tkimg - tkpng integration is taking more time to get right, and |
| 02:28.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: doesn't offer new functionality. Problem of subconfigures using local BRL-CAD |
| 02:28.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: src/other copies of libraries needs to be considered, but this isn't the case |
| 02:28.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: that justifies the time. |
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| 11:43.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 0388.232.184.140 07http://brlcad.org * r2053 10/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Ipb-blocklist-addr: New page: 192.168.2.1 |
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| 14:21.21 | ``Erik | heh "I don't suffer from insanity... I enjoy every minute of it!" |
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| 14:54.48 | starseeker | ``Erik: then you've got the right job ;-) |
| 14:55.17 | ``Erik | tar... flavored... icecream... I don't think I'm ever going to finland O.o |
| 14:57.05 | starseeker | wonders who verified it tasted like tar... |
| 14:57.41 | ``Erik | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Souvenir-Potpourri-Surprise!.aspx about 3/4 down |
| 14:57.55 | ``Erik | "Do not anger the Finns, for they have strange ways and a twisted sense of humor," he wrote, "you described salmiak as tar-like, but we're already way ahead of you: the leijona salmiak is actually tar-flavored salmiak candy. I'm not joking. We also have tar-flavored ice cream here, too." |
| 15:15.37 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36942 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: pack more info (code, hostname, .g filename) into the saved shotline |
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| 16:11.47 | ``Erik | "Do not anger the Finns, for they have strange ways and a twisted sense of humor," he wrote, "you described salmiak as tar-like, but we're already way ahead of you: the leijona salmiak is actually tar-flavored salmiak candy. I'm not joking. We also have tar-flavored ice cream here, too." |
| 16:11.52 | ``Erik | damnit |
| 16:21.58 | starseeker | Hmm, this might be interesting to the Qt/Ogre integration folks: http://www.mail-archive.com/qt4-preview-feedback@trolltech.com/msg01194.html |
| 16:25.52 | starseeker | or I guess this is the actual qt archive of the message: |
| 16:25.54 | starseeker | http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt4-preview-feedback/2009-October/000964.html |
| 16:26.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36943 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): C++ interface to the eto primitive (elliptical torus) |
| 16:27.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36944 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/CMakeLists.txt: included the elliptical torus (eto) in the brlcad.dll |
| 16:34.36 | starseeker | eyes option b) in that email... hmm... |
| 16:38.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36945 10/isst/trunk/src/ (gui.c isst.h local_worker.c net_worker.c): window is now resizable. GUI uses adjustable panes instead of fixed positions. |
| 16:41.00 | ``Erik | yes, the implications of b) are truely terrifying O.o if I'm guessing at the QT bits of it correctly, the performance might be on par with remote X over a dialup :D |
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| 16:41.59 | ``Erik | every pixel would come covered in stickers from every bit of hardware it'd been to, like an old steamer trunk :D |
| 16:45.31 | ``Erik | well, poop, I thought there was a card for that |
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| 19:49.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 0392.112.171.107 07http://brlcad.org * r2054 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: /* Project Ideas */ |
| 20:10.20 | ``Erik | reads up on vEB trees |
| 20:27.54 | starseeker | ``Erik: erm... you really think it would be that slow? |
| 20:30.32 | ``Erik | it's basically schlepping crap to the gpu for fast rendering in ogre, then copying the buffer back to ram, then sending it back to the video card for display, right? |
| 20:31.00 | ``Erik | using qt's funky crap instead of actual ogl 'render to texture' goodness |
| 20:31.07 | starseeker | dunno |
| 20:31.21 | starseeker | don't know if they've got that optimized or not |
| 20:31.21 | ``Erik | and render to texture can drag down a gpu without that read/write pair in the middle |
| 20:31.55 | starseeker | you think slower than merging the two opengl contexts like g3d is doing now? |
| 20:33.44 | ``Erik | I've no idea what g3d is doing :D |
| 20:34.22 | starseeker | Ogre and Qt each have their own context |
| 20:34.26 | starseeker | then they get merged |
| 20:34.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36946 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (4 files in 2 dirs): break metaball tesselation out into it's own file |
| 20:35.09 | ``Erik | kinda gathered, the details of the second are what I don't know... :D |
| 20:35.35 | starseeker | checks... |
| 20:36.37 | starseeker | http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42733&sid=76d05fd1184616e02c51ab4734ffb9b7&start=25 |
| 20:36.52 | starseeker | Marseyeah's post starts it off as far as we're concerned |
| 20:38.29 | starseeker | ah yes, MakeCurrent is the problem child |
| 20:39.06 | starseeker | Ralith made it tolerable via some sort of lazy approach, but MakeCurrent remains expensive |
| 20:39.51 | starseeker | functional though - we can probably proceed using that as an approach until we have a real need to do radical surgery for performance reasons... |
| 20:42.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36947 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/ (metaball.c metaball.h metaball_tri.c): quell warnings |
| 21:56.59 | ``Erik | jams his finger up his nose |
| 21:57.27 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36948 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (3 files in 2 dirs): import marching cube vertex and edge tables from Cory Bourke's public domain demo. |
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| 23:20.45 | ``Erik | all stocked up and ready for the blizzard, huzzah |
| 23:52.17 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:07.08 | Ralith | starseeker: I hope to set up a proper Ogre backend for Qt at some point |
| 00:07.17 | Ralith | so it's all clean and fast |
| 01:53.55 | starseeker | Ralith: yes, I agree that looks to be the best-case solution, but in the meantime I was curious of any of those ideas might offer better performance than MakeCurrent without the effort required for a QtPaintEngine or what have you implemented in Ogre |
| 01:59.48 | Ralith | I'm not even certain that it would actually be all that much effort; Qt already has facilities for generating an image (read: texture) of arbitrary widgets. |
| 02:12.08 | starseeker | hmm |
| 02:12.57 | starseeker | so just create Ogre objects to "target" with the Qt textures? |
| 03:14.15 | Ralith | not sure what you mean by target |
| 03:15.00 | Ralith | also, I've no idea if the image-making system works without somehow displaying the widget |
| 03:15.05 | Ralith | but it could be basically that simple. |
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| 20:16.25 | starseeker | wow it's white out there |
| 20:16.35 | starseeker | for once they were right, snow snow snow! |
| 20:25.00 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:26.53 | brlcad | about a foot here so far |
| 20:31.10 | ``Erik | if I were still driving my truck, it'd be no issue... but with the car, I'm immoblized... shoulda gotten chinese last night :/ |
| 20:32.32 | brlcad | i was driving in last night when it was just a couple inches... man that was harsh.. |
| 20:32.37 | brlcad | crawling at idle |
| 20:40.39 | ``Erik | your tires were ok for the speed? heh |
| 20:40.56 | ``Erik | those new rears you have look very summery |
| 20:41.35 | ``Erik | pressure to area probably a hair less than mine, and no actual grip tread to 'em :) |
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| 21:50.43 | brlcad | no, no speed at all |
| 21:50.48 | brlcad | was slipping at idle |
| 21:51.56 | brlcad | was able to keep control, but just barely and at an utter crawl (1mph in many places) |
| 21:52.08 | brlcad | even 695 sucked, but 95 was at least nice and clear |
| 21:52.25 | brlcad | worse was the back neighborhood I was leaving from around midnight |
| 22:51.46 | poolio | yeah, this snow is quite crazy :) |
| 23:18.12 | ``Erik | after doing my slide down the back road on hills with turns, I'm just too chickenshit to put my car on the road |
| 23:18.53 | ``Erik | given that during the horrible area, my tail kept kicking out with traction control on trying to go up a hill and a fuckwit was tailgating me |
| 23:19.07 | ``Erik | P(accident) is just to high, my 'tude is to say "fuck it, I'm 'sick'" or something |
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| 00:45.31 | Nohla | brlcad hola! |
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| 16:57.54 | brlcad | hola Nohla :) |
| 17:03.15 | Nohla | brlcad holas! |
| 17:04.53 | Nohla | brlcad i'm looking for a projector, have any recomendation? |
| 17:05.44 | Nohla | better if it have remote control |
| 17:09.35 | Nohla | (sorry, it has) |
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| 00:53.26 | brlcad | Nohla: what kind of projector? |
| 00:54.10 | brlcad | i've preferred the smaller, lightweight versions myself, but none really stand out as fantastic without a large price |
| 01:11.51 | Nohla | the idea is not to pay more than 500 E o $700 |
| 01:15.11 | Nohla | it's for the free software's meeting |
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| 01:47.30 | ``Erik | heh, the lg phone thingie ain't 'nuff? |
| 01:59.33 | brlcad | Nohla: that's a pretty small budget to work with :) |
| 02:00.03 | brlcad | maybe a basic infocus |
| 02:00.27 | brlcad | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824140062&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Projectors-_-InFocus-_-24140062 |
| 02:09.54 | ``Erik | I'd imagine 500-700 usd is reasonably hefty for most folk |
| 02:13.15 | brlcad | not for a good projector |
| 02:13.50 | brlcad | for *any* projector, sure maybe .. :) |
| 02:25.59 | ``Erik | most folk can't be buying projectors, no? :) |
| 04:06.50 | Nohla | brlcad: InFocus remind me to FocusÃn XD |
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| 18:28.28 | kristian-aalborg | hi all |
| 18:29.19 | kristian-aalborg | trying to help an architect buddy finding som FOSS to replace autocad ad 3dstudio - any suggestions? |
| 19:49.37 | ``Erik | what's the intended use? the two names seem to be us and I think qcad? |
| 19:52.23 | kristian-aalborg | well, this is not for me so I really can't be too specific |
| 19:52.59 | kristian-aalborg | it's just for someone who is not really acquainted with OS stuff, so I thought I'd look around a bit |
| 20:50.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36951 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp: Fixed bad reuse of loop index; renamed indexes for readability and also some ws/style cleanup. |
| 21:06.50 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r36952 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/ged.h src/libged/scale.c src/mged/chgview.c): Updated MGED sca command to take 3 arguments to specify different scaling factors for different axes when doing object aka matrix edits (feature request id 1206440) |
| 21:29.29 | starseeker | eyes the apache tcl.m4 stuff... looks like they hacked things up to make TEA and autotools play together... |
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| 21:48.59 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36953 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 21:48.59 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: richard weiss added support to the sca command so it'll take three or one |
| 21:48.59 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: arument when scaling, allowing all three axes to have different scaling factors. |
| 21:48.59 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: assumes non-uniform scaling factors can actually be applied, of course, but |
| 21:48.59 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: safes the modeler a few steps if they know what they want. |
| 21:50.41 | kristian-aalborg | are there architects using brl-cad? |
| 21:53.57 | brlcad | kristian-aalborg: brl-cad has been used fro architecture before, but it really depends what the goals of the modeler are |
| 21:54.57 | brlcad | brl-cad and qcad are pretty much as good as it is when it comes to open source, but we also have a long ways to go before being a full replacement for the commercial CAD systems |
| 21:55.44 | brlcad | there's lots of features one might take for granted that we don't do well, other features that we are exceptional at, others still that we're good at, but do in very different ways from other systems |
| 21:55.48 | brlcad | really depends |
| 21:59.07 | kristian-aalborg | I think that the support is the best sales argument for many open source things |
| 21:59.43 | kristian-aalborg | you really have "free 24 hours support for life" with forums and irc ;) |
| 22:00.21 | brlcad | I'm not so sure I agree with that, but it is certainly a strong point ;) |
| 22:01.19 | brlcad | "car comes with free car mechanic, availble 24/7, but the car only goes forwards and won't turn right" |
| 22:02.39 | brlcad | if you need a car that turns right, the free mechanic isn't very useful (unless you can work with him to fix the car so it DOES go right.. eventually) ;) |
| 22:03.02 | ``Erik | heh, c'mon now, there're things we do that the commercial folk don't... different emphasis |
| 22:05.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36954 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: erik made the windows resizable, with resizable panes too instead of using fixed positions. |
| 22:06.42 | ``Erik | that's entirely gtk+ isst/ stuff, d'no if a mention belongs in BRL-CAD proper |
| 22:12.23 | ``Erik | a 70 minute video critique of the star wars prequels... yowza |
| 22:31.46 | kristian-aalborg | thanks for the input |
| 22:31.49 | kristian-aalborg | cya |
| 22:54.26 | brlcad | ``Erik: ah |
| 22:55.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36955 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: yank, missed that resizing was not in here but in isst/trunk |
| 22:56.02 | *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || Happy Open Source Anniversary! (December 21st) | |
| 22:56.18 | *** join/#brlcad Nohla (n=jesica@168.226.179.195) | |
| 22:56.24 | brlcad | hola Nohla |
| 22:57.10 | Nohla | brlcad holas |
| 23:02.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36956 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (20 files in 20 dirs): quell verbose compilation warnings, mostly unused/unchecked params and missing structparse initializers and sign warnings |
| 23:03.16 | Nohla | brlcad when will you stop working? |
| 23:04.02 | Nohla | CIA-38 always tell us about you :) |
| 23:04.54 | brlcad | Nohla: maybe when I'm dead |
| 23:05.13 | brlcad | unless I can prevent that from happening ;) |
| 23:06.27 | Nohla | don't say that, dark ideas will appear in the people minds |
| 23:06.29 | ``Erik | burley, libfb has no notion of mouse events, correct? |
| 23:09.23 | brlcad | ``Erik: not entirely true |
| 23:09.36 | brlcad | they do, but they're specific to each fb interface |
| 23:10.28 | brlcad | several of the fbs set up to receive input events during open() |
| 23:10.30 | ``Erik | I saw some events, but they were hard coded |
| 23:10.32 | brlcad | then poll() is called |
| 23:10.39 | ``Erik | nothing settable |
| 23:10.40 | brlcad | where events are updated and processed |
| 23:10.59 | brlcad | most are via some *_do_event() private handler |
| 23:11.02 | ``Erik | so not quite right to redo something like isst |
| 23:11.33 | brlcad | not sure you've stated a problem that infers that either way |
| 23:11.41 | ``Erik | eh? |
| 23:12.33 | ``Erik | libfb can eat blits, but it doesn't seem equiped to handle mouse events *shrug* |
| 23:13.19 | brlcad | it handles mouse events, specific to each fb type |
| 23:14.37 | brlcad | all I'm saying is your conclusion (as stated) is a logical fallacy :) "if false, then unsuitable" |
| 23:15.20 | brlcad | it may still be unsuitable, or need massaging or callbacks or something else added, it's trivial to mod |
| 23:15.22 | ``Erik | heh, must be mis-stating then :) I see some event crap in if_X.c, but it's hard coded. |
| 23:15.53 | ``Erik | I need the ability to catch mouse up, mouse down, and mouse motion for app specific stuff |
| 23:16.06 | brlcad | what would you do during the event? |
| 23:16.17 | brlcad | does the event need access to non-fb data? |
| 23:17.00 | ``Erik | um, it'd need to update az/el, position, request a re-raytrace |
| 23:19.41 | brlcad | for that, the fb interface could have a user-provided callback registerable in the FBIO |
| 23:20.05 | brlcad | if set, call it, else call the internal do_event() one for basic diagnostic |
| 23:20.21 | brlcad | (which by default for ogl/X are things like the x/y pixel color)value |
| 23:22.12 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36957 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): removed the 'diameter' parameter to the ft_make callback. seemed to be unused everywhere, hacked on at some point but never followed through on. |
| 23:23.45 | brlcad | I could add some hooks if ya need |
| 23:26.29 | ``Erik | meh, investigating at the moment, if that's how I wanna go, I can do it :) |
| 23:26.59 | ``Erik | just wanted someone to say that my assessment was correct |
| 23:27.32 | brlcad | it is certainly limited at the moment, because the fb's are considered pretty basic devices |
| 23:27.59 | brlcad | libdm handles events but via tcl's event handler (iirc) |
| 23:28.21 | ``Erik | I want to push to a tcl/tk solution for the ui I think |
| 23:29.57 | ``Erik | takes a moment to scare the snot out of some cats |
| 23:32.00 | brlcad | always good fun |
| 23:43.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36958 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (ebm/ebm.c ehy/ehy.c ell/ell.c epa/epa.c eto/eto.c): more quellage, verbose compilation warnings about unused and unchecked params. |
| 23:44.00 | starseeker | Nohla: did you succeed with getting spanish documentation going? |
| 00:47.04 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36959 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/vshoot.c: |
| 00:47.04 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: bring vshoot up-to-date with the current API, eliminating a lot of old cruft |
| 00:47.04 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: that has changed. eliminated the duplication with non-vector helper functions |
| 00:47.04 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: (they're in shoot.c). updated to bitvs and ptbls except didn't make the |
| 00:47.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: necessary bookkeeping mods needed for rt_boolfinal() to keep track of finished |
| 00:47.07 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: and waiting segments. that means this will NOT actually work, but should at |
| 00:47.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: least compile cleanly once again. |
| 00:48.53 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36960 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/Makefile.am: activate vshoot.c so that the file can stay in sync and possibly be worked on again now that it's back to a compiling state. |
| 01:04.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36961 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/tgc/tgc.c: |
| 01:04.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: these must be FIXED, not hacked around. can't have DM_* toggles in librt just |
| 01:04.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: to quell root solver failures. root solver failures are higher priority than |
| 01:04.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the display feature (they indicate a low-level solidity failure). |
| 01:06.35 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36962 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/Makefile.am: more rtgl turd cleanup. librt shall not depend on libdm. |
| 01:09.06 | brlcad | woot, more than 50% of librt |
| 01:14.03 | starseeker | erm - what happened with the tgc? |
| 01:27.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36963 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (shoot.c vshoot.c): move the rt_vstub() function into vshoot.c and make it HIDDEN. rename it to vshot_stub() in the process, calling it if a primitive has a null vshot callback. |
| 01:30.23 | brlcad | starseeker: hm? |
| 01:31.24 | brlcad | nothing happened to tgc, just people ignoring the root solver failures when it mattered instead of investigating the problem. |
| 01:32.24 | brlcad | presumably, the printing evaluation failure statements slow down rtgl rendering or were just annoying |
| 01:33.16 | brlcad | so someone commented them out, which is a prioritization failure imho .. that's not something that should get pushed off for "later" |
| 01:33.22 | brlcad | if it's a problem, fix the problem |
| 01:34.28 | brlcad | probably something nick tossed in while working on rtgl, just caught it now |
| 01:35.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36964 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (27 files in 27 dirs): |
| 01:35.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: eliminate the empty vshot() callbacks. now only primitives that actually do |
| 01:35.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: something have a non-null callback (which is presently arb8, ell, half, rec, |
| 01:35.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: sph, tgc, and tor). the rt_vshootray() caller tests for whether it's null and |
| 01:35.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: calls a shot stub if needed. |
| 01:35.41 | starseeker | ah |
| 01:35.53 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh, this looks like it's up your alley: http://dwim.hu |
| 01:44.06 | Ralith | woah |
| 01:44.09 | Ralith | fancy |
| 01:44.12 | Ralith | slow, though |
| 01:44.33 | starseeker | oh, COOL - someone is looking at an llvm backend for sbcl |
| 01:45.22 | Ralith | I saw that |
| 01:45.32 | Ralith | I'm not entirely sure what benefits it would confer |
| 01:46.14 | Ralith | (other than the generally neat idea of collaborating with users of other languages on a single Sufficiently Smart Compiler) |
| 01:47.28 | starseeker | Well, Stephen Wilson is working on a language called Comma, which targets llvm: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/comma |
| 01:48.02 | starseeker | He's developing it with Aldor, SPAD and Ada in mind - should be appropriate for mathematical uses |
| 01:48.14 | starseeker | would like it to be usable with Lisp |
| 01:48.18 | Ralith | I mean, why is it a Good Thing to have a LLVM backend in SBCL? |
| 01:48.20 | Ralith | oh, easy FFI? |
| 01:48.23 | starseeker | bingo |
| 01:48.36 | Ralith | hm, interesting |
| 01:49.00 | starseeker | hopefully, a function call to a Comma function in Lisp (or vice versa) could be handled semi-intelligently at the LLVM level |
| 01:49.08 | Ralith | I wonder if clang would allow that to be extended to C++ support |
| 01:49.17 | starseeker | dunno |
| 01:49.30 | starseeker | it might require designing the compiler(s) with that specific use in mind |
| 01:49.45 | starseeker | but since Stephen is writing Comma from the ground up... :-) |
| 01:50.28 | starseeker | he was part of the Axiom mailing list a couple years ago, had an interest in the language used to describe mathematics in Axiom |
| 01:51.11 | Ralith | surely there are benefits other than easy FFI to specially designed llvm-targeting languages, though |
| 01:51.14 | starseeker | Aldor was the "successor" to SPAD, the original version of the language in Axiom - it's license never became compatible though |
| 01:51.26 | starseeker | Ralith: oh, sure - lots of potential performance goodies |
| 01:51.41 | Ralith | performance <3 |
| 01:52.09 | Ralith | just 'cuz LLVM has lots of shiny optimization magics that native SBCL lacks? |
| 01:52.11 | starseeker | Aldor actually showed the way on how to approach such things - it was able to generate Lisp code for compiling into a Lisp target, or compile directly through gcc |
| 01:52.15 | starseeker | (I think) |
| 01:52.21 | starseeker | maybe had it's own compiler |
| 01:52.34 | starseeker | Ralith: actually, not sure if LLVM will outperform sbcl's own compiler |
| 01:52.51 | starseeker | but it's probably a fair bet llvm will get ported to a lot of platforms |
| 01:52.58 | Ralith | good point |
| 01:53.09 | Ralith | and it's nearly always beneficial to pool effort |
| 01:53.11 | starseeker | kindaaa like targeting the Java virtual machine, but with modern llvm goodness |
| 01:53.37 | Ralith | has always been kind of fuzzy on exactly what modern llvm goodness entails |
| 01:54.08 | starseeker | Apparently a lot of compiler research has taken place since the basic gcc framework was laid out |
| 01:54.28 | starseeker | plus most descriptions of gcc's codebase I've heard are... well... colorful |
| 01:55.14 | Ralith | okay, cleaner and better-designed code is certainly desirable |
| 01:55.21 | Ralith | but where's the "vm" come in? |
| 01:55.33 | starseeker | virtual machine, I believe... |
| 01:55.35 | starseeker | checks |
| 01:55.54 | starseeker | license is another one |
| 01:56.13 | starseeker | the *BSD folks and a lot of commercial folk would LOVE for there to be a Modified BSD licensed compiler chain |
| 01:56.39 | starseeker | yeah - LLVM = Low Level Virtual Machine |
| 01:57.21 | starseeker | I think the virtual machine part allows for certain types of optimizations that would be difficult otherwise, but it's not my specialty |
| 01:57.53 | Ralith | I mean, I knew what VM refers to |
| 01:58.19 | Ralith | but I'm not clear on what the VM portion of llvm is [for]. |
| 01:58.28 | Ralith | sounds like I'm not entirely alone there, though |
| 01:58.55 | starseeker | yeah, that's beyond my knowledge depth |
| 02:02.35 | Ralith | well, whatever the details, it'll be cool if this gets picked up. |
| 02:18.57 | ``Erik | *readreadread* gcc is in it's third incarnation since I started watching... 2.7.x was there... then egcs kinda threw it all to the wind, then 4.0 was a total rewrite for new optimizations |
| 02:19.45 | ``Erik | llvm kinda smells like a jvm that no one cares about :( |
| 02:22.39 | ``Erik | dwim is what, an instance of an everyday software stack? :D I fail to see anything new and impressive :( |
| 02:31.58 | Ralith | could not easily determine what dwim *is* |
| 02:32.09 | Ralith | my best guess is some sort of web toolkit. |
| 02:32.30 | Ralith | ``Erik: "a jvm that no one cares about?" Everyone I've talked to seems to think that it's a Good Thing. |
| 02:32.53 | Ralith | accross several language communities, no less. |
| 02:35.14 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:35.48 | ``Erik | it seems to be doing what sun already did... and a few language weenies went "ooh", ... |
| 02:52.57 | starseeker | ``Erik: just thought lisp + web might interest you (dwim) |
| 02:54.38 | starseeker | if nothing else, BSD licensed compiler stack will make a lot of people happy |
| 02:58.34 | Ralith | oh, there's plenty of lisp+web stuff out there, and tbh most of it is a bit less ill-defined than dwim >_> |
| 03:03.17 | ``Erik | lisp is nifty, web seems inevitable... ucw is damn sexy, hunchentoot is kinda ok |
| 03:03.55 | ``Erik | faking stateful operation over a stateless protocol using continuations, that's drop dead sexy |
| 03:08.33 | ``Erik | ralith: check out ucw if you get some time, it makes list+web awesome |
| 03:08.40 | ``Erik | lisp+web even |
| 03:14.44 | Ralith | not the sexiest of homepages for a web framework |
| 03:14.46 | Ralith | but it sounds interesting |
| 03:14.48 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36965 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (eto/eto.c extrude/extrude.c table.c xxx/xxx.c): more quellage. add more extesive parameter testing to the xxx template for the primitive-specific structure, add more data validation. |
| 03:14.52 | Ralith | foods |
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| 03:37.39 | brlcad | shakes fist at the binunif turds that ripple throughout |
| 03:47.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36966 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 03:47.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: binary objects need to write out their minor type during export so that the data |
| 03:47.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: can be properly imported without munging the API for everyone else. this |
| 03:47.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: unfortunately (probably) cannot be accomplished without breaking protocol, so |
| 03:47.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: hacking around it for now. |
| 04:14.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36967 10/brlcad/trunk/ (10 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 04:14.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: remove minor_type from the functab interface for import5/export5. this was |
| 04:14.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: apparently only added for binary objects, which needs to know which minor type |
| 04:14.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: they are during import. instead of the object writing out it's minor type |
| 04:14.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: during export, it munged the api to have the minor type passed from the |
| 04:14.54 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: raw_external instead. this moves towards undoing that by removing minor_type |
| 04:14.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: from all other objects and making binunif's a special case in db5_io. once |
| 05:21.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36968 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/put.c: ft_make no longer takes a diameter value |
| 05:23.17 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36969 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/wdb_obj.c: bah, another ft_make with diagonal/diamter value that needs removing. also start the killage on expm. |
| 05:25.30 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36970 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/asc/asc2g.c: ft_import5 no longer takes the minor type. fix this outlier. |
| 05:29.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36971 10/brlcad/trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 05:29.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: remove the 'experimental' binary object type. this was never implemented beyond |
| 05:29.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: a few stubs and has a horrible vague name, so kill it. we have to leave the ID |
| 05:29.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: and functab entry stubbed so that indices offset correctly but mark it as unused |
| 05:29.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: so some future new object could conceivably reclaim the ID. |
| 06:08.31 | starseeker | hmm... xprocess looks kinda neat but man compiling it... |
| 08:47.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r36972 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: updated CMake file to be consistent with Makefile.am (activated vshoot.c) |
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| 11:19.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36973 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/ (bomb.c cmdhist_obj.c): Wrapped debug variable declaration with DEBUG definition. Removed bu_cmdtab struct array 'ch_cmds[]' and 'cho_hist()', look to be un-used copies of existing definitions 'cho_cmds[]' and 'cho_cmd()'. |
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| 13:50.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36974 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/nirt.c: ws cleanup |
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| 13:57.30 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36975 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/nirt.c: init vars |
| 14:20.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36976 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/nirt.c: |
| 14:20.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: there probably be little dragons here. replace the strip_crlf() win32-specific |
| 14:20.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: hack with a more generalized solution that just trims space on the line parsed |
| 14:20.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: in. it's not clear why they even matter with bu_fgets() reading in lines |
| 14:20.27 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: portably other than it printing \n\r's into the result string (which then also |
| 14:20.29 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: just begs for space trimming). untested. |
| 14:46.02 | ``Erik | hm, \r\n is ansi, unix kinda cheats |
| 15:05.12 | brlcad | doesn't change anything |
| 15:05.37 | brlcad | good grief, the step converter code is a headache :) |
| 15:06.58 | brlcad | going through some basic mods and cleanup, and .. d-d-d-damn are the headers/decls in disarray |
| 15:07.17 | brlcad | cascade failures |
| 15:08.50 | brlcad | headers not including what they need, interfaces not coming first, replication of inclusions, ... this is going to take some work .. especially SCL stupidly naming a class BOOL of all things |
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| 15:33.39 | starseeker | note to self - check this out later: http://users.iit.demokritos.gr/~petasis/Tcl/toolbar.tcl |
| 15:36.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36977 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/ (13 files in 3 dirs): |
| 15:36.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: rename the BOOL and BOOLS classes to BOOLEAN and BOOLEANS respectively so as not |
| 15:36.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: to conflict with openNURBS (and other codes that commonly use BOOL as a simple |
| 15:36.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: boolean type). this also conveniently makes the class name lengths match the |
| 15:36.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: corresponding LOGICAL and LOGICALS classes. unsure about the Bool->Boolean |
| 15:36.53 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: declarations and how they come into play, alas, so have to see if those need to |
| 15:36.55 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: be unrolled for the actual step parsing. |
| 15:42.03 | brlcad | that commit likely breaks compile when coupled with the previous, fixing |
| 15:42.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36978 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (13 files): |
| 15:42.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: beginning of massive header and type inclusion cleanup. header inclusion |
| 15:42.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: ordering of c++ needs to be cleaned up. avoiding inclusion of std namespace. |
| 15:42.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: formatting/ws/indent cleanup. opening braces. work in progress with more on |
| 15:42.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the way. |
| 15:48.21 | brlcad | wonders how much of this will be for moot |
| 15:48.23 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36979 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (19 files): use the updated (Boolean) and (BOOLEAN) instead of (Bool) and (BOOL), so as to avoid a conflict with other codes. |
| 15:50.08 | brlcad | mm, looks like that at least got closer to compile |
| 15:55.24 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36980 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (Factory.cpp Factory.h): cleanup, declare interface headers, reorder accordingly; consistent formatting |
| 16:03.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36981 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (Factory.cpp Factory.h): oops, already had forward decl on STEPEntity. only needed for the implementation. |
| 16:07.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36982 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/OpenNurbsInterfaces.cpp: SurfaceTree is in the brlcad namespace |
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| 16:34.35 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36983 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (PullbackCurve.cpp PullbackCurve.h): more brlcad namespace qualifications, cleanup ws indent and brace formatting |
| 16:58.01 | starseeker | is rather puzzled... if I uncomment the line *fbp = tk_interface in dm-tk.c, mged initialization failes with a bad alloc without ever hitting that line... |
| 16:58.32 | starseeker | oh, wait... |
| 16:58.36 | starseeker | it's something else |
| 16:58.50 | starseeker | hmm... |
| 17:35.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36984 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/step-g.cpp: ws indent cleanup, remove using, comments, etc |
| 17:45.34 | starseeker | o.O |
| 17:45.43 | starseeker | ../src/conv/asc2g ../../brlcad/db/terra.asc terra.g |
| 17:45.43 | starseeker | ERROR: bad pointer x106efb00: s/b rt_db_internal(xdbbd867), was Unknown_Magic(x5625), file ../../../brlcad/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp.c, line 256 |
| 17:45.46 | starseeker | ERROR: bad pointer x106efb00: s/b rt_db_internal(xdbbd867), was Unknown_Magic(x5625), file ../../../brlcad/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp.c, line 256 |
| 17:54.56 | starseeker | did something with that binary minor type change impact how dsp does its thing? |
| 17:55.07 | starseeker | hunts... |
| 17:57.49 | brlcad | starseeker: very likely |
| 17:58.14 | brlcad | or one of the checks I added is for the wrong object type |
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| 19:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36990 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: |
| 19:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: create the directory before running xsltproc in order to avoid a race condition |
| 19:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: that causes xsltproc to bail. also make the clean rule not fail on in-dir |
| 19:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: builds (can't just remove the dir, especially if there are still (source) files |
| 19:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: in there) |
| 19:46.50 | starseeker | brlcad: except that doesn't work when we're building the spanish documentation |
| 19:47.54 | starseeker | at least, not for man1 and man3 |
| 19:48.07 | starseeker | would dirname work there too? |
| 19:48.23 | starseeker | no, guess not |
| 19:48.25 | starseeker | hrm |
| 19:49.54 | starseeker | maybe move the xml.1 and xml.3 rules to the system/man/$LANG directory makefiles? |
| 19:50.38 | brlcad | hm? |
| 19:51.01 | starseeker | we have system/man1/en hardcoded into the build rules for .xml.1 and .xml.3 |
| 19:51.19 | brlcad | I didn't modify the ones that are already hard-coded |
| 19:51.27 | starseeker | ah, k |
| 19:51.40 | starseeker | so it's my fault :-) |
| 19:51.42 | brlcad | they're still hard-coded, but presumably a similar trick will work |
| 19:52.36 | starseeker | yes, except I think xsltproc drops the .1 files in the current working directory of xsltproc, rather than a targeted output |
| 19:52.49 | starseeker | kinda sucks |
| 19:53.19 | starseeker | actually though... |
| 19:53.38 | starseeker | the build rule should know where the thing is supposed to go, even if xsltproc doesn't do it |
| 19:53.50 | starseeker | tries it |
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| 20:00.05 | kristian-aalborg | hi all |
| 20:00.30 | kristian-aalborg | is there software available that will render a 3d model from a series of 2d pics? |
| 20:01.00 | brlcad | depends what kind of 2d pics and the desired 3d model |
| 20:01.05 | brlcad | in general, no |
| 20:02.30 | brlcad | starseeker: at a glance, looks like you're only conditionally building the .es fiels |
| 20:02.38 | brlcad | suggest always building all languages |
| 20:05.30 | kristian-aalborg | I'm thinking if I can take some pics of a thing like a cofee cup and have it made into 3d |
| 20:05.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36991 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: try generalizing the dir creation |
| 20:05.52 | brlcad | kristian-aalborg: heh, done much 3d modeling before? |
| 20:06.00 | kristian-aalborg | none ;) |
| 20:06.27 | kristian-aalborg | but I've seen a bunch of sci-fi movies ;) |
| 20:07.42 | brlcad | yeah, it doesn't quite work like that |
| 20:08.18 | starseeker | brlcad: yeah, I was thinking unless a user explicitly asked for all languages they wouldn't want the overhead of doing all the building for all the languagues |
| 20:09.19 | starseeker | heh - beat me to it |
| 20:09.39 | starseeker | well, that's better anyway :-) |
| 20:11.12 | starseeker | brlcad: oh, how do I do a "this OR this" if case in a makefile? I haven't been able to track down an example yet |
| 20:15.03 | starseeker | confirmed - generalizing logic appears to work |
| 20:15.11 | starseeker | that's SWEET |
| 20:17.16 | ``Erik | sits around yelling "enhance" at his computer screen O.o :D |
| 20:17.35 | starseeker | ``Erik: do I get yelled at if I always build all docbook all the time? |
| 20:17.54 | starseeker | is willing to do it if ``Erik promises not to hurt him |
| 20:18.11 | ``Erik | heh, but the dependancy chain is fugly |
| 20:18.21 | ``Erik | xsltproc and java for fop? |
| 20:18.41 | starseeker | no, no - turning on Spanish and English for all docs always |
| 20:19.11 | starseeker | so not only would you be building English, you'd be building the Spanish versions, and the Russian versions, and the Esperanto versions... ;-P |
| 20:19.45 | ``Erik | I imagine klingon would be on that list before russian or esperanto ... :D |
| 20:19.55 | starseeker | probably, given our user audience |
| 20:20.40 | ``Erik | *shrug* I complain about dependancy sets, not product ;) |
| 20:20.59 | starseeker | has observed ``Erik complainin about build time here and there |
| 20:21.29 | ``Erik | noting significant increases, not complaining about |
| 20:21.30 | ``Erik | :) |
| 20:21.39 | starseeker | alrightie |
| 20:21.59 | starseeker | goes for broke |
| 20:34.23 | brlcad | not that big a deal time-wise until there are more than a couple languages, completely translated |
| 20:34.38 | brlcad | and by the time that happens, I doubt compilation time will be the issue |
| 20:34.42 | starseeker | true :-) |
| 20:34.59 | starseeker | I ripped out the lang flags, testing now before committing |
| 20:38.58 | brlcad | hm, the .es conversion I got from the first lesson doesn't render so hot |
| 20:38.59 | brlcad | as html |
| 20:39.21 | starseeker | font issue? |
| 20:43.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36992 10/brlcad/trunk/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Purge the language configuration option and build all languages all the time, per Sean's suggestion |
| 20:44.08 | starseeker | well, between that and tkpng I now feel rather uselss :-/ |
| 20:44.51 | starseeker | back to framebuffer diving |
| 20:45.10 | brlcad | encoding issue |
| 20:45.18 | brlcad | all accents are junked up |
| 20:45.29 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/mged01_crear_figuras_primitivas.html |
| 20:45.51 | starseeker | ah, that thing |
| 20:46.40 | starseeker | I think that's the htaccess file for Apache - needs AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 |
| 20:47.14 | starseeker | see doc/docbook/README |
| 21:40.23 | brlcad | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `system/man3/en/libfb.html', needed by `all'. Stop. |
| 21:40.38 | starseeker | confound it |
| 21:42.03 | starseeker | ummm.... for me it succeeded |
| 21:42.15 | starseeker | brlcad: what platform are you on? |
| 21:45.49 | brlcad | did you distcheck? |
| 21:46.31 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:46.34 | starseeker | distchecks |
| 21:59.22 | starseeker | hah, cool: http://www.bootchart.org/images/bootchart.png |
| 22:19.04 | starseeker | brlcad: I can reproduce the failure, trying to figure out what's causing it... |
| 22:21.12 | starseeker | oh, der |
| 22:22.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36993 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: Whoops. Add MAN3 sources to EXTRA_DIST so distcheck brings them along for the ride. |
| 22:22.58 | starseeker | hey, cool: http://code.google.com/p/tufte-latex/ |
| 22:23.12 | starseeker | wonders how long before someone tries tufte-docbook |
| 22:43.24 | brlcad | heh, http://people.ucsc.edu/~weissman/MathClubTalk2009.pdf |
| 22:44.46 | brlcad | thinks starseeker should work up a tufte stylesheet |
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| 22:46.51 | starseeker | brlcad: I suppose that would kinda be the ultimate "non-default" look wouldn't it? :-) |
| 22:47.57 | brlcad | ultimate? |
| 22:48.19 | brlcad | certainly different, but of a good kind |
| 22:48.23 | starseeker | crappy default vs. Tufte polished :-) |
| 22:48.36 | brlcad | ultimate would be a lot more glossified |
| 22:49.43 | starseeker | wonders what we would put in the side columns of a layout like that... |
| 22:51.22 | starseeker | also wonders why the best looking gantt chart he's seen from an open source tool is a special purpose java tool for boot process illustration... arrgh |
| 23:05.54 | Nohla | holas |
| 23:05.59 | starseeker | hola :-) |
| 23:06.07 | starseeker | how goes it? |
| 23:10.16 | Nohla | tired :P |
| 23:10.46 | starseeker | heh - school? |
| 23:10.59 | Nohla | no, life :) |
| 23:11.15 | starseeker | did you find a projector that would work? |
| 23:11.58 | Nohla | I think so, a friend bought one two months ago |
| 23:12.16 | Nohla | maybe I'll buy the same in the same place |
| 23:12.55 | Nohla | It's a good one and cost the price I can pay |
| 23:15.07 | starseeker | crosses his fingers that Microvision actually delivers this: http://www.microvision.com/showwx/index.html |
| 23:35.53 | Nohla | starseeker thought I thought maybe translate the menu of the program would be more effective |
| 23:36.07 | Nohla | what do you think? |
| 23:36.46 | starseeker | Nohla: that would be helpful, but you really do need to read the docs to use BRL-CAD |
| 23:36.50 | starseeker | even in English :-) |
| 23:37.03 | starseeker | plus, we aren't set up to use gettext |
| 23:37.49 | Nohla | the most of people try until learn before to read anything |
| 23:38.10 | starseeker | yes, which is why we don't have more users |
| 23:38.21 | starseeker | that doesn't work with our current interface |
| 23:39.30 | Nohla | ok |
| 23:40.07 | Nohla | I'll try to finish the second before next week |
| 23:40.53 | Nohla | and third before my birthday, but I cant promise :P |
| 23:41.16 | starseeker | no problem :-) |
| 23:41.17 | starseeker | no rush |
| 23:42.34 | Nohla | fuck, I hate children, they cry all day!! |
| 23:43.46 | Nohla | sorry, you never expected that from women a woman |
| 23:44.10 | Nohla | sorry, you never expected that from a woman |
| 23:44.59 | starseeker | no problem - stuck with a loud child? |
| 23:45.55 | Nohla | my neighbour :P |
| 23:46.29 | brlcad | Nohla: jaja |
| 23:46.30 | Nohla | and his fuckn backyard |
| 23:47.20 | Nohla | starseeker did you see that PDF has no images again? |
| 23:47.56 | starseeker | hmm? which one? |
| 23:48.15 | Nohla | the one in /lessons/es |
| 23:48.21 | starseeker | erm. |
| 23:48.31 | Nohla | html is ok |
| 23:48.44 | starseeker | I haven't checked lately - perhaps I messed it up somehow |
| 23:49.05 | starseeker | Nohla: you are abile to build successfully? |
| 23:49.09 | starseeker | able even |
| 23:49.42 | Nohla | yes, brlcad helped me |
| 23:49.48 | starseeker | ah, excellent |
| 23:49.58 | starseeker | I will check when I get home - this machine doesn't have fop |
| 23:50.29 | brlcad | you helped yourself, I just pointed |
| 23:51.25 | Nohla | brlcad that was a difficul day :P when I ask for some minutes is because I really need them :P |
| 23:51.45 | brlcad | you did great |
| 23:52.04 | starseeker | brlcad: ah, finally - distcheck passed on my Mac :-) |
| 23:52.23 | brlcad | gets the invoice filled out |
| 23:52.36 | brlcad | starseeker: oh, could have told you that mine passed ;) |
| 23:52.37 | starseeker | invoice? |
| 23:52.47 | starseeker | ah - hehe |
| 23:52.49 | brlcad | gsoc invoice, finally got the purchase order |
| 23:53.00 | starseeker | nods |
| 23:53.14 | brlcad | they got things mixed up the first time around |
| 23:53.20 | starseeker | oh, lovely |
| 23:53.51 | brlcad | nothing bad, just delayed things |
| 23:54.54 | starseeker | well, if my distcheck passes and yours does too, I'm going home :-P |
| 23:55.19 | starseeker | maybe next year I'll manage to do something I won't have to back out within a week :-/ |
| 23:56.37 | starseeker | the problem of passing local library locations to subconfigure systems I think remains very real though - the only "correct" solution I can see is to get TEA and automake to make nice and then send out a bunch of patches to our favorite src/other libraries |
| 23:57.33 | Nohla | starseeker for the xml there is a maximum character length per line |
| 23:57.35 | Nohla | ? |
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| 23:57.54 | starseeker | Nohla: build system issues |
| 23:58.00 | starseeker | Nohla: not related to docbook |
| 23:58.13 | starseeker | oh, you're asking? |
| 23:58.20 | Nohla | yes |
| 23:58.26 | Nohla | sorry: is there |
| 23:59.01 | starseeker | not really a maximum limit, but try to stay around 80 - readable formatting is more important than max character length |
| 23:59.35 | starseeker | drives home, back on later |
| 00:00.36 | Nohla | starseeker because I remind the first error that said something similar |
| 00:01.08 | Nohla | first line too long, more than 80, I can't remember exactly |
| 00:01.42 | Nohla | I can check that before to send it |
| 00:03.10 | Nohla | with "radio" refers to the angle of view of design? |
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| 00:19.11 | brlcad | radio is a type of button |
| 00:20.36 | Nohla | ? didn't understand |
| 00:20.48 | Nohla | remember I've never used the program, sorry |
| 00:21.09 | brlcad | it depends what it's talking about |
| 00:21.30 | brlcad | could be an actual radio (listening device) that is to be modeled |
| 00:21.45 | brlcad | or could be referring to a "radio button" .. which are buttons that toggle |
| 00:22.14 | brlcad | boto'n de opcio'n |
| 00:22.23 | brlcad | http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bot?n_de_opci?n |
| 00:29.34 | ``Erik | prods ogre some O.o |
| 00:31.53 | brlcad | woot |
| 00:40.51 | ``Erik | I like how half the samples just crash |
| 00:42.08 | brlcad | huh, last I tried them, they all worked |
| 00:42.17 | brlcad | you running from binary or built? |
| 00:42.37 | ``Erik | binary sdk, then compiled the sample set |
| 00:45.37 | brlcad | huh |
| 00:47.16 | ``Erik | cmake flips out and goes into a loop when I try to make the subversion checkout, so I grabbed the 1.4.9 dmg and opened the xcode project in the Samples/ dir |
| 00:48.18 | ``Erik | (okra/buclet might make ogre more fun than panda3d) |
| 00:53.25 | ``Erik | a C wrapper for ogre, heh :/ dang c++ |
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| 04:54.14 | starseeker | heh - cool http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/reactors-gallery/all/1 |
| 04:54.43 | starseeker | is surprised the publishers were sometimes lax about saving something like that - those suckers must have taken a LOT of work |
| 04:55.28 | starseeker | be a cool style of drawing to attempt recreating with CAD 3d exports - reminds me of a siggraph paper from this year in fact |
| 04:57.02 | starseeker | bet Tufte would love those - talk about information density... |
| 04:57.22 | starseeker | makes more room in his "useless cool crap" section on the terabyte drive... |
| 05:00.05 | brlcad | starseeker: so can the dms be fully toggled now? |
| 05:11.06 | starseeker | tests on gentoo again |
| 05:26.21 | starseeker | heh... back on topic... sorry |
| 05:42.09 | talcite | does anyone know whether jama is version 1.2.5 or 1.25? |
| 05:42.43 | talcite | Their project development practices are really killing me =/. No previous versions available, no tracker, just a zip file. Not even a readme in the zip |
| 05:45.05 | talcite | oh wait, found it... In some obscure corner of the website =/ |
| 05:45.18 | talcite | 1.2.5 incase you were wondering |
| 06:15.00 | starseeker | blinks |
| 06:15.13 | starseeker | $ mged |
| 06:15.13 | starseeker | X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 53 (X_CreatePixmap) Serial number of failed request: 31 Current serial number in output stream: 32 |
| 06:20.24 | starseeker | hmm... |
| 06:20.35 | starseeker | mged -c and attaching X fails the same way |
| 06:20.39 | starseeker | ogl succeeds |
| 06:21.03 | starseeker | rtgl fails with gedp->ged_gvp null at dm-rtgl.c:1597 |
| 06:22.42 | starseeker | hmm - even more interesting - if I first bring up ogl and THEN rtgl using an additional attach command, rtgl comes up |
| 06:23.29 | starseeker | and closing rtgl kills ogl too - looks like killing rtgl nukes the ogl context |
| 06:23.52 | starseeker | brlcad: so to answer your question from earlier, looks like the answer is still no :-( |
| 06:24.53 | starseeker | wonder if I did anything stupid... |
| 06:24.58 | starseeker | svn status says... |
| 06:25.21 | starseeker | nope |
| 06:25.42 | starseeker | must sleep on this... |
| 06:30.13 | talcite | there. package for JAMA is created. TNT will be done when I get back to my desktop. |
| 06:34.25 | talcite | How are things going with the STEP and Utah upstream? |
| 06:35.26 | brlcad | starseeker: that failure is probably my libdm mods from last week |
| 06:35.55 | brlcad | talcite: it's in the queue, I did mention it'd take at least a week or two ;) |
| 06:36.23 | talcite | brlcad: haha yes, that's true. |
| 06:37.05 | talcite | did we end up saying we would strip the tkhtml3 code out and release as a project? I can't remember for that one specifically |
| 06:42.37 | brlcad | I don't recall that exactly being said |
| 06:43.08 | brlcad | I think the idea is to still to try and work with the upstream authors to get some activity going, access granted, or fork it off |
| 06:43.22 | brlcad | in that order of priority |
| 06:49.01 | talcite | hmm alright. I'll get in touch with the authors |
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| 07:13.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36994 10/brlcad/trunk/autogen.sh: merge from upstream to get commit 3dcfb77ebb2df9ac50fe7c33232b9e2b38720a92 (spelling fixes) to match the 2009.12.23 release. |
| 07:16.09 | brlcad | fg |
| 07:27.45 | talcite | brlcad: vim user eh? Do you recall ever doing anything to remove the lemon parser from tkHtml? |
| 07:28.20 | talcite | it's not in our source tree, yet it's being compiled from the native tkhtml3 package |
| 07:31.26 | talcite | brlcad: also, just got a reply from the tkhtml3 dev |
| 07:31.41 | talcite | "It is not actively maintained as far as I know. Unfortunately. -Dan." |
| 07:32.23 | talcite | can we make sure tkhtml3 is included in the list of projects to fork/claim ownership of please? |
| 07:32.41 | talcite | alright. That's it for me tonight. Long day tomorrow. Night all |
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| 12:08.59 | sunnylee | hi |
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| 14:02.07 | ``Erik | has been seeing the BadAlloc for a while now, couple weeks at least O.o |
| 14:02.42 | ``Erik | happens both locally on my mac and when I try to run it on BSD and use remote X |
| 14:47.01 | brlcad | still probably my doing |
| 14:47.11 | brlcad | might have been two weeks ago |
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| 15:59.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36995 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/ (Makefile.am license.txt): |
| 15:59.05 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: include the more legally explicit language shown on |
| 15:59.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: http://opennurbs.org/docs.htm where rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, |
| 15:59.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: distribute, sublicense, and sell are clearly granted. the language in the |
| 15:59.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: readme.txt has the same intention, but not nearly as well-stated with loose |
| 15:59.08 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: language, so include the website text here verbatim alongside the sources to |
| 15:59.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: avoid confusion and doubt. |
| 16:03.26 | brlcad | hm! |
| 16:03.31 | brlcad | The ON_BrepLoop::m_type member records the type of boundary (inner, outer, etc.). A ON_BrepFace has exactly one outer loop and it is the first loop referenced in the ON_BrepFace::m_li[] array. The inner loops all define "holes" in the ON_BrepFace. All of the inner holes lie inside of the outer loop. A ON_BrepFace is always path connected. In particular, inner loops are not "nested". |
| 16:03.43 | brlcad | needed that statement a couple months ago |
| 16:30.23 | starseeker | brlcad: oh, sorry :-) I think Keith and I had figured it out, but we hadn't documented it anywhere (yet) |
| 16:31.29 | starseeker | wonders if we should suck in any available opennurbs docs off the wiki to have in the repository... |
| 16:50.01 | brlcad | starseeker: that was before it was figured out |
| 16:51.18 | brlcad | keith and I were talking about it as well, in particular whether nested loops were possible, which wasn't known at the time |
| 16:51.54 | brlcad | no need to import their wiki docs |
| 17:22.44 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36996 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_line.cpp: apply a bug fix reported by Peter Salzmann (Aug 2009) where calculating the minimum distance to a line was getting calculated wrong. ahh the beauty of open source eyes catching a one-character bug. |
| 17:54.43 | brlcad | posted to the opennurbs forum about indianlarry's relative tolerancing mod to ON_Brep::IsValidLoop() |
| 19:05.56 | starseeker | hops on the opennurbs forum |
| 19:06.40 | starseeker | rolls up his sleeves - time to sort through our diffs to the vanilla opennurbs tarball and identify stuff we aren't using anymore |
| 19:09.18 | starseeker | do that before we drift any further away, since we're accumulating changes we want to maintain going forward |
| 19:17.43 | starseeker | gets newest tarball and raises eyerows - date stamps are Sept 24th |
| 19:18.08 | starseeker | version 200909255 - opennurbs V5 first release |
| 19:18.12 | starseeker | hrm |
| 19:18.58 | indianlarry | let's start over ;^) |
| 19:20.34 | starseeker | hehe |
| 19:20.59 | starseeker | will merge in changes to this version and give it a try |
| 19:21.21 | starseeker | might as well |
| 19:34.52 | starseeker | hmm. Hadn't notice this before. We've set openNURBS to hardcoded inclusion of ../zlib/zlib.h |
| 19:35.27 | starseeker | that means it won't use a system zlib even if our configure tells it to... |
| 19:36.11 | ``Erik | or it'll compile with the included and link against the system and ya'd better hope the API didn't change |
| 19:37.14 | starseeker | right |
| 19:37.37 | starseeker | we shouldn't do that - we have zlib.h includes in other code and aren't hardcoding that... |
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| 19:46.11 | starseeker | yeah, NumIntersectionsWith is used only in code that is called in commented out code... if that needs to come back should probably be somewhere other than src/other/openNurbs... |
| 19:51.02 | brlcad | starseeker: that just means it'l use that header .. fortunately, zlib hasn't changed incompatibly in probably a decade |
| 19:51.19 | starseeker | brlcad: ok, so not a big deal? |
| 19:51.23 | brlcad | not really |
| 19:51.33 | brlcad | didn't see that v5 was posted, cool |
| 19:51.40 | starseeker | was all set to figure out the right compile flags to add to Makefile.am... |
| 19:51.46 | brlcad | go for it |
| 19:51.58 | starseeker | yeah, caught me by surprise too - was just downloading to get a vanilla tarball |
| 19:52.17 | brlcad | comes up with a pie chart breakdown he's happy with |
| 19:52.29 | starseeker | noticed a couple default: conditions have been added that we had in our code :-) |
| 19:52.47 | starseeker | looks like the sgi and sun compiler stuff didn't make the cut |
| 19:53.13 | starseeker | brlcad: ah, the fun and glory of pie chart making :-) |
| 20:00.36 | brlcad | yeah, this is working out nicely |
| 20:00.41 | brlcad | the power of eights! |
| 20:05.23 | ``Erik | eight is great? |
| 20:16.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36997 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/Makefile.am: start stubbing in adrt build |
| 20:17.12 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36998 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/libbu/adrt.vcproj: start stubbing in adrt build |
| 20:17.28 | ``Erik | dangit |
| 20:17.42 | ``Erik | eh? O.o odddd |
| 20:19.04 | starseeker | brlcad: what was it about the z_ prefix in opennurbs_zlib that prevented system zlib use - are the z_prefixed functions not defined? |
| 20:20.10 | starseeker | oh, I see |
| 20:20.16 | starseeker | reads svn logs... |
| 20:21.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36999 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/adrt/ (. adrt.vcproj): start stubbing in adrt build |
| 20:22.19 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.30 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37000 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/libbu/adrt.vcproj: start stubbing in adrt build |
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| 20:35.36 | starseeker | oh, oops - I was reading the diff backwards - we actually do the zlib system call - it's opennurbs that doesnt :-P |
| 20:35.40 | starseeker | goodie :-) |
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| 20:47.46 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37001 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/load.c: type hacketry to quell warning |
| 20:47.57 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37002 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (libtie/tie_struct.h load.h): remove unnecessary (?) include |
| 20:53.38 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37003 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/adrt/adrt.vcproj: add include dir's |
| 20:55.11 | ``Erik | and now I flee and let bob unbreak things O:-) mwahahaha |
| 20:55.57 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37004 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/librt/librt.vcproj: add metaball tesselator file |
| 21:04.37 | starseeker | heh - newest opennurbs has the DistanceTo(A) fix :-) |
| 21:04.48 | brlcad | yeah, I figured it would |
| 21:05.07 | starseeker | OK, let's stick this baby in for a compile test... |
| 21:05.31 | brlcad | the discussion was pre v5 posting, makes sense |
| 22:00.30 | starseeker | ok, successful nurbs raytrace using v5 |
| 22:01.00 | starseeker | annnnd confirmation of X11 issues on Mac, too |
| 22:01.12 | starseeker | hooks gdb up to see what bus errored |
| 22:01.48 | starseeker | strncmp - wha?? |
| 22:01.59 | starseeker | Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) |
| 22:02.46 | starseeker | oh, must be related to the BadAlloc |
| 22:03.00 | starseeker | anyhoo, time for an opennurbs checkin :-) |
| 22:21.50 | starseeker | hmm, definitely some new files |
| 22:31.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37005 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/ (243 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:31.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Update to version 200909255 - opennurbs V5 first release. Have attempted to |
| 22:31.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: merge in all related fixes from previous BRL-CAD openNURBS version, but this |
| 22:31.07 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: merge deliberately removes special purpose code used in earlier attemps at NURBS |
| 22:31.08 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: raytracing. Some of this code is still used and will reappear in |
| 22:31.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: opennurbs_ext.cpp and opennurbs_ext.h - ideally all changes now present in |
| 22:31.12 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: src/other/openNURBS will be related to compiler specific issues, using external |
| 22:32.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37006 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 22:32.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Move some code that had been added to openNURBS into opennurbs_ext.cpp and |
| 22:32.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: opennurbs_ext.h. Also, turn off old (now unused) function calls to function |
| 22:32.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: calls previously defined as additions inside src/other/openNURBS but are not |
| 22:32.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: part of the current raytracing routines. |
| 22:34.20 | starseeker | ponders if that is worth a NEWS item... |
| 22:35.31 | starseeker | runs distcheck |
| 22:56.04 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37007 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/Makefile.am: Er, oops - update EXTRA_DIST with files that have been removed. |
| 23:13.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37008 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_bezier.cpp: Whoops - yeah this fix didn't seem to apply to this version, so don't tack in float.h |
| 23:23.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37009 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_memory.c: looks like the fix from r36512 still applies |
| 23:41.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37010 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/ (BRL-CAD_changes.txt Makefile.am): |
| 23:41.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Add a file describing what changes have been made from vanilla openNURBS and why |
| 23:41.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: - intent is to make the merger of the next release (whenever that happens) |
| 23:41.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: easier. Start from this revision and the contents of this file - will need to |
| 23:41.46 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: evaluate all the changes documented here in any new version to see if they a) no |
| 23:41.48 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: longer apply b) have been incorporated or c) are no longer needed. Then start |
| 23:41.50 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: from this revision and evaluate any further revisions. |
| 23:42.41 | starseeker | distcheck on r37077 passes |
| 23:42.48 | starseeker | goes to grab supper |
| 00:56.19 | ``Erik | new breakage in opennurbs, huzzah |
| 01:01.22 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37011 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_memory.c: try not to reference things that don't exist |
| 02:19.00 | starseeker | blinks - wonder how that compiled on my Mac then... |
| 02:22.15 | ``Erik | got me, mebbe a timestamp issue left the old object file? |
| 02:22.44 | starseeker | looks like that should be p != p, rather than memblock... wonder why they renamed it |
| 02:22.47 | starseeker | ah well |
| 02:23.06 | ``Erik | either way, it's a punt |
| 02:23.34 | starseeker | hmm? I thought Sean threw that into the old code base |
| 02:23.42 | ``Erik | probably an 'unused variable' hack |
| 02:24.00 | starseeker | will it cause you breakage either way? |
| 02:24.12 | starseeker | yeah, it was warning quellage |
| 02:25.09 | ``Erik | if it were return p != p; it woulda been fine... did you upgade the existing code with a patch? |
| 02:25.30 | starseeker | nah, just didn't check carefully enough whether that variable name had changed |
| 02:25.35 | starseeker | my bad |
| 02:26.15 | ``Erik | okie, allz I saw was an error about an undefined variable, didn't turn on strict flags |
| 02:26.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37012 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/ (BRL-CAD_changes.txt opennurbs_memory.c): Er, whoops - thanks Erik. p != p might work better when the variable name changed to p... |
| 02:26.38 | ``Erik | kinda care more about mged getting the BadAlloc... rt -F/dev/Xl works fine |
| 02:26.41 | starseeker | ``Erik: actually a lot of our changes disappeared |
| 02:27.00 | starseeker | was more concerned about minimizing our changes to openNURBS without breaking the raytracer |
| 02:27.06 | starseeker | yeah |
| 02:27.20 | starseeker | pulls the libdm logs for the last few weeks... |
| 02:27.35 | starseeker | mged is kinda foobared at the moment |
| 02:28.12 | ``Erik | actually, at the moment, I care more about reading a webcomic and being a cat matress, but *shrug* :) |
| 02:28.19 | starseeker | heh |
| 02:28.31 | starseeker | hopes like hell it wasn't his libdm changes |
| 02:29.04 | ``Erik | it's been doing it for a bit, I figured one of ya'll messing with that tsuff woulda noticed it, all my work has been lower level |
| 02:29.08 | starseeker | oh, it might be r36844 |
| 02:29.23 | ``Erik | g2asc/asc2g, adrt, and librt crud |
| 02:29.27 | starseeker | come to think of it I remember something about that |
| 02:29.49 | ``Erik | which is about as close to mged as I care to mess... still have flashbacks about edsol.c |
| 03:01.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37013 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: Back out some dm-X changes causing breakage on Mac and Linux platforms - trying to preserve some of the more recent changes to drawLine3d functions. |
| 03:12.05 | ``Erik | whuddya know, mged starts up now :D |
| 03:31.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37014 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 03:31.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Compile gotchas on gentoo - FALSE returning as not defined in a couple files - |
| 03:31.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: looks like this was coming in from opennurbs and is gone with the latest update |
| 03:31.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: - just go with 0; also include assert.h in brep.cpp since it's not getting |
| 03:31.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: pulled in through opennurbs any more. |
| 03:58.59 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37015 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/ (5 files): FALSE and assert.h tweaks for proc-db |
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| 06:08.22 | starseeker | blinks - well, rtgl -> ogl -> rtgl and rtgl -> X -> rtgl both just succeeded on gentoo |
| 06:11.07 | starseeker | and we've got a nurbs raytrace |
| 06:11.30 | starseeker | aaaand csgbrep barfs |
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| 11:24.15 | csanyipal | Hi, |
| 11:25.19 | csanyipal | When I install brlcad from SVN must I delete first the /usr/brlcad directory? |
| 11:25.31 | csanyipal | the system is Debian GNU/Linux Lenny. |
| 11:42.43 | csanyipal | When run 'make' after './configure --enable-optimized', |
| 11:42.50 | csanyipal | I get error messages: |
| 11:43.01 | csanyipal | make[2]: *** [region_end.lo] Error 1 |
| 11:43.01 | csanyipal | make[2]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/SVN/brlcad/src/libgcv' |
| 11:43.01 | csanyipal | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 11:43.01 | csanyipal | make[1]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/SVN/brlcad/src' |
| 11:43.02 | csanyipal | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 11:43.11 | csanyipal | Any solutions? |
| 11:44.30 | docelic | csanyipal, you didn't paste the actuall errors |
| 11:44.48 | csanyipal | docelic: ? |
| 11:45.07 | csanyipal | region_end.c: In function âgcv_region_endâ: |
| 11:45.07 | csanyipal | region_end.c:38: error: argument âcurtreeâ might be clobbered by âlongjmpâ or âvforkâ |
| 11:45.28 | docelic | that is the real error. |
| 11:45.52 | csanyipal | docelic: thanks. How can I resolve it? |
| 11:47.54 | docelic | don't know about this one, see Google for "might be clobbered by". Also, (my guess), I think this is usually a warning, which is an error here because of some compile options which say to treat all warnings as errors. So if you can't solve it, maybe you can tell ./configure to not treat warnings as errors, and it'll go forwarsd |
| 11:48.29 | csanyipal | docelic: thanks! :) |
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| 14:22.35 | ``Erik | that's from strict flags, turn'em off and it'll compile |
| 14:38.40 | csanyipal | ``Erik: how can I turn'em off? |
| 14:41.38 | csanyipal | Can I do this with --disable-warnings ? |
| 14:41.45 | starseeker | I think it's --disable-strict |
| 14:41.58 | starseeker | although brlcad might have changed it - give that a try |
| 14:42.13 | csanyipal | starseeker: ok. |
| 14:47.08 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37016 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libgcv/Makefile.am: forcibly disable strict flags until the jump clobber issue can be sorted out. |
| 14:50.11 | csanyipal | CIA-38: does this line: 'r37016...' mean that I can checkout again SVN and try to compile?? |
| 14:51.11 | starseeker | yes |
| 14:51.12 | ``Erik | CIA is a bot that reports commits |
| 14:51.24 | csanyipal | ok |
| 15:30.45 | csanyipal | I run make successfully, now I run make benchmark. |
| 15:32.25 | csanyipal | make benchmark is comlpete now. |
| 15:32.59 | csanyipal | I'm send now the benchmakr results to benchmark@brlcad.org. |
| 15:33.58 | ``Erik | you did use --enable-optimized on yoru configure, correct? |
| 15:34.35 | csanyipal | I did the following: |
| 15:34.37 | csanyipal | ./configure --enable-optimized |
| 15:34.42 | csanyipal | make -j2 |
| 15:34.48 | csanyipal | make benchmark |
| 15:34.52 | csanyipal | so far. |
| 15:34.55 | ``Erik | ok, good, then you have good numbers |
| 15:35.15 | csanyipal | yes: Benchmark results indicate an approximate VGR performance metric of 4614 |
| 15:35.24 | csanyipal | Logarithmic VGR metric is 3,66 (natural logarithm is 8,44) |
| 15:37.33 | csanyipal | I have send the benchmark results to benchmark@brlcad.org. |
| 15:38.21 | csanyipal | Before sudo make install should I delete the /usr/brlcad directory? |
| 15:39.43 | csanyipal | or it will be overwritten during installation? |
| 15:40.00 | csanyipal | I have an old brlcad installation here. |
| 15:40.43 | csanyipal | I think it's better to delete this directory, isn't? |
| 15:51.31 | csanyipal | I have installed now brlcad. Just to find out how to setup PATH so I can run on xterm (urxvt) the 'mged' command. |
| 15:52.02 | csanyipal | I'm using Window Maker window manager with gdm. |
| 15:52.24 | csanyipal | thank you for help! |
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| 17:41.31 | brlcad | volks, can disable strict with: make STRICT_FLAGS= |
| 17:41.39 | brlcad | don't have to reconfigure |
| 17:41.57 | brlcad | otehrwise, reconfigure with --disable-strict should shut it off too |
| 17:42.27 | csanyipal | oh |
| 17:43.59 | brlcad | csanyipal: no worries for you, you have a build :) |
| 17:44.14 | brlcad | turning it off in the Makefile.am works too, which is what that commit did |
| 17:44.14 | csanyipal | of course.. :) |
| 17:44.52 | brlcad | you don't have to set path if you don't want to, just have to write the whole path: /usr/brlcad/bin/mged |
| 17:45.15 | brlcad | otherwise for bash: export PATH=/usr/brlcad/bin:$PATH |
| 17:45.24 | csanyipal | i have set ip up now in .bashrc |
| 17:45.30 | brlcad | nods |
| 17:45.33 | csanyipal | set it up |
| 17:45.53 | brlcad | merry christmas and thanks :) |
| 17:46.05 | csanyipal | ok :) |
| 17:46.52 | csanyipal | merry christmas for all of you here too! |
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| 20:13.05 | starseeker | hmm. csgbrep works on the mac |
| 20:13.29 | starseeker | boy gentoo is unforgiving when it comes to this stuff... |
| 20:13.34 | starseeker | which is a good thing I guess |
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| 20:27.50 | yukonbob | Merry [almost] Christmas, #brlcad. |
| 20:30.19 | starseeker | brlcad: wonder if it would be worth checking if Archer works with the itcl 4.0b3 code? looks like that version of itcl has been crafted to play nice with the new TclOO stuff |
| 20:35.04 | yukonbob | starseeker: iirc, itcl-ng (i.e. 4.x) is _not_ really ready. I'd have to surf around to find reference... |
| 20:35.32 | starseeker | http://wiki.tcl.tk/19873 is what I was looking at... |
| 20:36.42 | yukonbob | I'm reviewing same, atm... |
| 20:40.12 | yukonbob | I forget where I saw it (avoid itcl-ng), but it stuck in my mind. The choice of BRL-CAD to dig into Tcl8.5b, and the itcl-ng, etc., caused a lot of churn on my system, which I still haven't actually recovered from. Picking proper itcl was on my List of Things, and like I said, iirc (I should have kept better notes) itcl-ng is -not- the way to go (atm). |
| 20:41.26 | starseeker | what churn did it cause? |
| 20:42.15 | starseeker | we're going to want tcl/tk 8.6 - among other things, their Aqua support on the mac will be targeting Cocoa itself |
| 20:42.31 | starseeker | dunno if itcl 3.x can work on 8.6 |
| 20:51.47 | yukonbob | starseeker: at the time (a while ago), brl-cad required a beta tcl/tk; on NetBSD, I had setup the brl-cad distribution to build only the minimal requirements and use pre-installed pkgs for rest... |
| 20:52.08 | yukonbob | (i.e. use pre-existing tcl, tk, utah, etc., etc) |
| 20:52.35 | yukonbob | not having the beta tcl/tk threw that into a tailspin, until I got everything working w/ 8.4 again... |
| 20:53.13 | yukonbob | anyway, long story short, I didn't stay caught-up, and now don't have a working brl-cad using in-system pkgs, which is the way I'm trying to pursue the install... |
| 20:53.38 | yukonbob | I haven't had time to dedicate to sovling as I did in past either :P |
| 20:54.02 | yukonbob | 8.6 is still a way out, from my understanding talking w/ coreteam. |
| 20:57.10 | starseeker | ah, yes - on-system packaging is a problem |
| 20:57.40 | yukonbob | I had it solved, but that was some time ago. |
| 20:57.50 | starseeker | or can be rather |
| 20:57.57 | yukonbob | It's my holy grail to reattain that |
| 20:58.04 | yukonbob | then try to maintain. |
| 20:58.32 | starseeker | archer is now using the new ttk widgets, so the minimum system tk will need to support those |
| 20:58.59 | yukonbob | 8.5 == ttk, and indeed, I believe 8.4 has ttk as a package.... |
| 20:59.10 | yukonbob | "tile" |
| 20:59.29 | starseeker | yes, but I can't remember if tile uses the ttk prefix |
| 20:59.39 | yukonbob | neither |
| 21:00.08 | starseeker | the ttk widgets are a considerable improvement in the visual appearance department |
| 21:00.09 | yukonbob | tcl/tk == the stuff I'm pretty familiar with -- indeed, it was the vector that led me to brl-cad ;) |
| 21:00.17 | yukonbob | starseeker: yup |
| 21:00.44 | yukonbob | and native OS X will be really nice, too. 8.6 is certainly going to bring even more goodness to tcl |
| 21:00.49 | starseeker | must become familiar - the time has come for a working Tk display manager and frame buffer |
| 21:01.15 | starseeker | yukonbob: do you happen to be familiar with togl? |
| 21:02.32 | yukonbob | starseeker: short answer: no |
| 21:02.55 | starseeker | bemusedly watches the tk display manager crash in X11 Tk on the mac where it (sort) worked under Aqua |
| 21:04.20 | starseeker | yukonbob: I have a tendency to wander down the "ooo this is an interesting Tcl/Tk library" path |
| 21:05.04 | yukonbob | starseeker: there are a fscking tonne of them out there... |
| 21:05.18 | starseeker | yukonbob: my current "ooo shiny" fixations are on togl and RamDebugger |
| 21:05.19 | yukonbob | it's an interesting path, and I can relate to you in that regard ;) |
| 21:05.36 | yukonbob | ?ramdebugger |
| 21:05.51 | starseeker | http://www.compassis.com/ramdebugger |
| 21:07.16 | yukonbob | http://wiki.tcl.tk/17771 |
| 21:08.01 | starseeker | I've yet to get and BRL-CAD running successfully in the same bwish session, but friendly Tcl debugging would be nice... |
| 21:08.12 | starseeker | ah yes, tcl3d :-) |
| 21:08.23 | starseeker | they even have an osg binding, iirc |
| 21:08.39 | yukonbob | ramdebugger looks neat. |
| 21:09.09 | starseeker | main concern I had with tcl3d is how portable it is |
| 21:09.12 | yukonbob | usually uses some kind of introspection, [puts], and gdb, all in XEmacs |
| 21:09.28 | starseeker | I think it tcl3d sucks in togl, actually... |
| 21:09.43 | yukonbob | re: portability: /me nods -- no idea. |
| 21:10.14 | starseeker | yukonbob: my ideal would be to have RamDebugger fire up on an Archer Tcl/Tk error, politely pointing me to the offending source code line :-0 |
| 21:10.41 | starseeker | dunno if it's any good, but non-commercial solutions in that space seem to be rather thin on the ground |
| 21:12.17 | starseeker | hmm - tcl3d sucks in gl2ps as well |
| 21:12.21 | starseeker | interesting |
| 21:12.37 | yukonbob | I guess it depends on what kind of errors are tripping you up, but my experience has led me to [puts], gdb, xemacs |
| 21:13.03 | yukonbob | that, and familiarity w/ Tcl and good practices, which only come w/ use. |
| 21:13.18 | starseeker | ah, that's what made me wary of tcl3d - their swig files |
| 21:13.30 | yukonbob | you don't like swig? |
| 21:13.55 | starseeker | wary of depending on it for key functionality - adds a core dependency on a translation tool |
| 21:14.28 | starseeker | might be the best/only way to do some things though |
| 21:15.03 | starseeker | yukonbob: with mged though, we have the option of talking directly to C apis insteadl of tcl scripting |
| 21:15.44 | starseeker | Archer is tcl scripting at the moment on top of wish, classic Tcl/Tk app - we're planning to make it run on top of its own C core the way mged does |
| 21:15.54 | yukonbob | nods |
| 21:16.58 | yukonbob | I'll try to make another push to get brl-cad running on my system (7.16.2) and start helping out again. |
| 21:17.05 | starseeker | obviously you can do tcl scripts in MGED as well - there are many examples - but it lets us build the core levels at the C level (see libdm and libfb :-) |
| 21:17.20 | starseeker | yukonbob: cool! sounds great |
| 21:17.30 | yukonbob | used tcl extensively with mged. |
| 21:17.31 | starseeker | is the stable Tcl/Tk up to 8.5 now? |
| 21:17.36 | yukonbob | yup |
| 21:17.47 | starseeker | that should make life simpler |
| 21:18.31 | yukonbob | 8.6 Real Soon Now, but like I said, the understanding is it's a way in the future still... for a while, they were hoping to have it out of beta before Tcl Conference in Oregon in Sept; obviously didn't happen, and it's being pushed further and further out... |
| 21:18.36 | yukonbob | which I actually don't mind too much. |
| 21:19.14 | starseeker | as far as I know there are no "must have today!" features in 8.6 for BRL-CAD the way there were for 8.5 with ttk |
| 21:19.35 | yukonbob | starseeker: re: simple life --- indeed. incr tcl/tk on my NetBSD were (are) an issue that I need to solve, and then push through the ./configure and getting brl-cad to recognize that stuff I'm offering to it so it doesn't build own utah, tcl, tk, etc., etc. |
| 21:20.39 | yukonbob | starseeker: nice -- that'll help me push if I know it's results will last a while before having to rework for 8.6 ;) |
| 21:21.46 | yukonbob | I'll see what i can muster, and start bugging #brlcad for issues I run into to get this up/running. |
| 21:21.53 | yukonbob | misses modelling :P |
| 21:22.14 | starseeker | <snort> given how long it looks to be before 8.6 is out, we'd better hope there are no necessary features... |
| 21:22.35 | yukonbob | "necessary" is a state of mind |
| 21:22.40 | yukonbob | there are some neat things. |
| 21:23.05 | yukonbob | in-core OO, in-core database abstraction, NRE (non-recursive engine) |
| 21:23.12 | yukonbob | co-routines, |
| 21:23.24 | yukonbob | it's getting more lisp-y all the time. |
| 21:23.43 | starseeker | yukonbob: if 8.6 lets us run MGED and Archer in Aqua mode on the Mac and 8.5 doesn't (for whatever reason) I'd call that "necessary", but we could probably conditionalize for an Aqua build to demand 8.6 in that case |
| 21:24.32 | starseeker | in core OO would be nice, but that would require reworking our EXTENSIVE use of incrTcl throughout Archer to target TclOO |
| 21:24.40 | starseeker | I believe the word for that is "eek" |
| 21:25.38 | yukonbob | starseeker: I'm not clear on the implications of Tk rendering on OS X; look/feel, I guess, and not having to hack together look-alikes, because instead one simply uses native will reduce work on Tcl core team, and maybe(?) enhance end-users' experience, but otherwise, tcl/tk still work on OS X... |
| 21:26.01 | yukonbob | re: in-core OO |
| 21:26.18 | yukonbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.38 | yukonbob | they are more low-level primitives that a user-facing OO system can use. |
| 21:26.50 | starseeker | Tk rendering on OSX let's us run MGED and friends without needing an X11 server. X11 on the Mac has been a little tempremental |
| 21:27.13 | yukonbob | and they'll be common and standardized, so incr tcl can use, as well as snit, or any of other myriad OO systems can take advantage of. |
| 21:27.40 | starseeker | if we can get native libdm and libfb code in Tk, we can ditch X11 on the Mac completely and sidestep all the bugs :-) |
| 21:27.42 | yukonbob | does one currently need X11 to get a Tk window up on a mac? |
| 21:27.49 | starseeker | yes |
| 21:27.53 | yukonbob | hrm. |
| 21:28.14 | yukonbob | well, that's be a very nice side effect. |
| 21:28.26 | yukonbob | (getting rid of X11 on Mac) |
| 21:28.31 | starseeker | at least, if you want properly working display manager and any sort of raytracing ;-) |
| 21:28.39 | yukonbob | anyway -- I should get back to my own coding. |
| 21:28.59 | starseeker | 8.5 does indeed build aqua, only questions are stability, performance, etc. |
| 21:29.01 | starseeker | cool |
| 21:29.02 | yukonbob | ...and I'll take another stab at brl-cad on my system and see if I can get it up/running agin. |
| 21:29.15 | starseeker | Merry Christmas, and good luck! |
| 21:29.28 | starseeker | needs to get outta here... |
| 21:29.32 | yukonbob | thx :) Merry Christmas to you too. |
| 21:29.42 | yukonbob | ttyl starseeker |
| 21:33.56 | starseeker | ah yes, tkpath... http://tclbitprint.sourceforge.net/tkpath/quartz/index.html :-) |
| 21:34.06 | starseeker | gotta be some fun to be had there... |
| 21:37.54 | starseeker | or tkzinc |
| 21:38.14 | starseeker | stops himself and runs |
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| 22:40.15 | talcite | brlcad: do we have a mailing list? |
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| 00:32.40 | brlcad | talcite: of course, we have several |
| 00:39.12 | talcite | brlcad: is there somewhere that lists them? I can't seem to locate them on the main site |
| 00:40.03 | talcite | brlcad: I'd like to keep current on the development status of things, especially of the upstream takeovers |
| 01:13.17 | starseeker | talcite: irc is probably going to be at least as informative |
| 01:13.57 | starseeker | the list of mailing lists is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/support |
| 01:14.02 | starseeker | see Project Mailing Lists |
| 01:24.20 | talcite | I'll still be around for IRC, but I follow email much closer. Sometimes I just idle in the IRC channels |
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| 02:29.53 | ``Erik | "that's wrong on more levels than I can even count, and they're both really basic levels, too!" |
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| 05:53.17 | Ralith | hehe |
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| 16:42.30 | brlcad | merry christmas everyone! |
| 18:06.47 | ``Erik | happy kwanzaa |
| 21:58.08 | ``Erik | "chocolate pizza" heh |
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| 17:09.39 | talcite | wooo. Jama and TNT have been approved and accepted for inclusion into rawhide |
| 17:09.46 | brlcad | awesome |
| 19:20.07 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37017 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/grip/grip.c: quell verbose compilation warnings for grips |
| 19:22.08 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37018 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/grip/grip.c: nix register hinting |
| 19:38.23 | ``Erik | find . -name '*.c' | xargs sed -i.bak 's/register //g' |
| 19:38.24 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 19:39.49 | ``Erik | I don't think x86 CAN benefit from register painting like that, given how the ISA places special meaning on certain registers... :) |
| 19:41.10 | brlcad | didn't want to do that without a full-blown performance profile optimized and unoptimized to compare it against under a stable config |
| 19:41.28 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 19:41.40 | ``Erik | was just thinking about doing bench;sed;bench |
| 19:41.43 | brlcad | last time I did that (10 years ago) it actually made an (small mesaureable) diff |
| 19:41.53 | ``Erik | on which, o2? |
| 19:41.59 | brlcad | dunno |
| 19:42.02 | brlcad | it was a long time ago |
| 19:42.15 | ``Erik | r10k chips, right? those had um, 32 gp registers and the opcodes specified which ones to use |
| 19:42.18 | brlcad | tested most things cross-plat back then |
| 19:42.59 | ``Erik | the asm for those was damn sexy, "addl $t0, $t1, $t2" or something, t0 = t1 + t2 (tX being the register) |
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| 19:45.10 | ``Erik | goes back to sorting and filing paperwork and waiting for tax paperwork O.o |
| 19:45.44 | ``Erik | (I'd imagine for non-critical path stuff, the register shotgun is safe... src/conv, src/vdeck, etc) |
| 20:21.07 | ``Erik | holy shit, there's a bass pro in maryland O.o |
| 20:28.07 | brlcad | one up in arundel mills iirc |
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| 20:45.19 | ``Erik | hanover |
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| 20:45.45 | ``Erik | yeah, that area |
| 20:46.07 | ``Erik | boggles me, I'd never seen one or heard of it until I moved to springfield :) |
| 20:46.17 | ``Erik | still waiting for backyard burger and skippers to get out here O.o |
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| 22:27.37 | brlcad | hola jesica, feliz navidad! |
| 22:35.08 | Nohla | brlcad felicidades!! |
| 22:35.10 | Nohla | muchas gracias |
| 23:49.01 | Nohla | brlcad do you remember my promise? |
| 23:49.19 | Nohla | I'm still in |
| 23:50.17 | brlcad | Nohla: ok :) |
| 23:51.45 | Nohla | if you are tomorrow and I've any problem, can you help me? |
| 23:52.47 | Nohla | the 3rd will be finished before the next weekend |
| 00:01.03 | brlcad | I'm actually supposed to be driving off to see family for the next couple days, driving for 8 hours tomorrow, so I probably won't be online much |
| 00:01.17 | brlcad | but you can certainly post here and ask, someone is bound to answer :) |
| 00:01.41 | brlcad | i'll be on early morning and probably later in the night after I arrive at my destination |
| 00:02.06 | Nohla | well I'll try harder :) |
| 00:07.58 | ``Erik | heh, not gonna pull the iphone ssh while driving r-tardedness? :) |
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| 15:22.35 | Nohla | Is anybody out there? starseeker? ``Erik? |
| 15:24.26 | Nohla | wanted to know if it still exists:"You can also zoom in or out on your design by going to the View menu and selecting Zoom In or Zoom Out. A drawback to this method is that you can only zoom in or out one time because the drop-down menu closes once you make a selection." |
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| 15:37.36 | ``Erik | hm, it should still be there... gimme a minute to look |
| 15:38.22 | ``Erik | ayup, it is... do you have mged installed? |
| 15:39.07 | Nohla | nop :( |
| 15:39.17 | Nohla | sorry, always say the same |
| 15:39.29 | ``Erik | (sorry, ayup = yes. That functionality still exists) |
| 15:40.36 | Nohla | I'm asking for the drawback, not for the function |
| 15:41.13 | ``Erik | oh, yes, it does close the dropdown menu when it takes effect. There is no way to change that behavior, it's part of being a dropdown menu |
| 15:41.42 | Nohla | but with a shortcut, maye |
| 15:41.47 | Nohla | maybe |
| 15:41.49 | ``Erik | you can zoom out, then click view again and choose it again and it'll work, but you have to keep clicking 'view' between each zoom |
| 15:43.05 | Nohla | shift grips is the same as chortcut and kaystrokes? |
| 15:43.40 | ``Erik | I don't know O.o I'm not a GUI person :) |
| 15:44.44 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Image:Shift_Grips_Quick_Reference_Guide.pdf looks like shift-grips are mouse motion events with a modifier key pressed |
| 15:44.52 | ``Erik | like holding shift or control while you click and drag |
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| 15:47.20 | Nohla | ``Erik thanks |
| 15:48.25 | ``Erik | np, glad I was able to help (my focus is lower level stuff, not user interfaces) |
| 15:49.02 | Nohla | it's perfect if you understand the matrix :) |
| 15:49.22 | ``Erik | installing BRL-CAD to try things out may help in the translation process... being able to try it to see if your reading is correct before re-expressing it? :) just a thought |
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| 16:02.02 | Nohla | sorry, I fell down |
| 16:02.31 | Nohla | to install it I need to free up disk space before |
| 16:03.08 | ``Erik | ah, I have similar issues on my 'server' |
| 16:03.25 | ``Erik | it's about 265 megabytes on my mac |
| 16:04.13 | ``Erik | hm, one of my bsd machines has a 115m dir |
| 16:06.44 | ``Erik | do you have perhaps a school server you could install it to, and then use remote X to run it? |
| 16:09.33 | ``Erik | grumbles because some eggshell broke into his food |
| 16:10.48 | Nohla | ``Erik that's possible, but I'll ask for it in February |
| 16:11.15 | Nohla | We're on vacation :) |
| 16:12.30 | ``Erik | *shrug* I was thinking that perhaps you had an account that could do it and could just ssh in :) the other options are getting a new hard drive (or thumb drive) which is expensive money wise, or doing hard drive housecleaning (removing unused packages, deleting unused files, etc) which is time consuming |
| 16:13.19 | ``Erik | I don't have a server to offer, but brlcad may *shrug* |
| 16:14.21 | Nohla | I have no problem because I have a lot of music that I can burn on dvd |
| 16:14.55 | Nohla | I like the idea for the others students |
| 16:15.21 | ``Erik | remote X is sensitive to latency |
| 16:16.14 | Nohla | mmm... and it means... ? |
| 16:16.20 | ``Erik | dial-up makes it very difficult to use |
| 16:16.45 | ``Erik | when I did remote-X stuff on dialup, I would move the mouse, and half a second later, the cursor would move...very difficult to use |
| 16:17.19 | Nohla | mmm, will see the best way of make it popular :) |
| 16:17.39 | ``Erik | local of fast network is best |
| 16:17.49 | ``Erik | local or fast network is best |
| 16:18.20 | Nohla | at the end of the translation of the tutorials and menus, the idea was to make a seminar |
| 16:18.54 | ``Erik | does the classroom have 100baseT to all the machines? that makes it acceptable to do remote, provided the server can handle the load |
| 16:19.14 | ``Erik | imagine 30 people running a raytrace at the same time on a machine :) that'd not be fun |
| 16:19.29 | Nohla | let me see the reality of the laboratory material before |
| 16:20.11 | ``Erik | of course, I'm just rambling to explore possibilities |
| 16:20.12 | Nohla | I trust that with time we can do a nice job with this |
| 16:20.44 | Nohla | you are always one step further:) |
| 16:20.51 | ``Erik | "the plan is useless; it's the planning that is important" -Eisenhower |
| 16:21.34 | Nohla | we do :) |
| 16:22.30 | Nohla | the planning stage is always very short |
| 16:22.49 | Nohla | we just need to seek that stage :) |
| 16:23.33 | Nohla | but I told brlcad yesterday, I'm in |
| 16:23.55 | ``Erik | excellent :) |
| 16:24.44 | Nohla | I know very little, but I do my best |
| 16:25.02 | ``Erik | <-- been thinking about modelling his house in BRL-CAD to experiment with furniture placement and using photon mapping (or converting to bots and using adrt's path tracing) to get a good idea of appearance before buying furniture and stuff |
| 16:25.19 | ``Erik | 'sok, I know very little, I just make a good act of it |
| 16:26.03 | Nohla | :) |
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| 16:28.09 | ``Erik | you seem to be falling off the internet a lot, too many cerveza? :D |
| 16:28.20 | ``Erik | nohla: did you get my private message? |
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| 18:34.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37019 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: |
| 18:34.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: include sysctl hardware information in the output log after uname, collapsing |
| 18:34.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: all lines into just one. also add additional tests to make sure the scripts and |
| 18:34.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: binaries we're about to use actually work before putting them to use. |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37020 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the benchmark suite now includes sysctl hardware information in the log output. |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: I was manually asking everyone for this information anyways, so it's good to |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: just have it automatically included in the log. still would be nice to get a |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: copy of /proc/cpuinfo if it's a linux system, though. |
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| 18:41.47 | ``Erik | sysctl is a very system specific thing, I had to write significantly different sysctl thingies for fbsd vs netbsd vs obsd vs solaris vs what little linux supports |
| 18:41.56 | ``Erik | there's no universal OID heirarchy :( |
| 18:43.01 | ``Erik | oh, hah, you're grabbing the entire hw tree |
| 18:45.09 | brlcad | which is nfg on linux |
| 18:45.44 | ``Erik | I should put my old perfmon crap out under a bsd or lgpl license so it can be nom'd |
| 18:46.02 | ``Erik | how was the drive? |
| 18:46.27 | ``Erik | get to open ellie up a bit on the no-mans-land bits? |
| 18:48.14 | ``Erik | (solaris and osX are of the BSD world, which is migrating its own way... sysctl heavy... linux is off in the corner drooling on itself and wearing a cone hat, not surprised it's not even close to 'normal') |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37021 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: restructure the output so that system configuration information is included at |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the end of the log instead of the beginning. that also lets us preserve the |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: sysctl formatting and include the verbose /proc/cpuinfo details if they are |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: available. we do this quietly only because it's so much output, but still let |
| 19:05.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the user know that additional information was added to the log. |
| 19:08.27 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37022 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: oops, CMP not PIXCMP |
| 19:37.08 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37023 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: emphasize submitting results, include an approx VGR result on a 16 core xeon instead of the 8 cpu aix that had a 9k vgr. |
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| 20:06.40 | csanyipal | Hi, |
| 20:08.25 | csanyipal | brlcad: I just sent in e-mail the outputs of 'sysctl -a' and 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' commands. |
| 20:20.09 | brlcad | cool, thanks |
| 20:21.50 | csanyipal | brlcad: you are welcome! |
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| 20:59.09 | brlcad | perfect |
| 20:59.45 | csanyipal | :) |
| 21:16.06 | csanyipal | I have a build fom SVN and when I try to open in Archer an existing geometry file, Archer crash and disappeare. |
| 21:17.24 | csanyipal | Segmentation fault.. |
| 21:18.22 | brlcad | csanyipal: hm, do you have a stack trace |
| 21:18.26 | brlcad | or rather, can you get one? |
| 21:18.40 | csanyipal | how can I get one? |
| 21:18.44 | brlcad | hm |
| 21:19.20 | brlcad | run archer .. then before opening the file, attach to the process with gdb |
| 21:19.47 | brlcad | should be able to get the process id via "ps auxwww|grep bwish" |
| 21:19.48 | csanyipal | I never did this before.. |
| 21:19.53 | brlcad | no problem |
| 21:20.07 | brlcad | first step: run archer ;) |
| 21:20.18 | csanyipal | ok |
| 21:20.29 | csanyipal | done. |
| 21:20.41 | brlcad | then run "ps auxwww|grep bwish" in a terminal |
| 21:20.49 | brlcad | what does it report? |
| 21:21.01 | csanyipal | 1000 10154 4.4 0.9 268196 19408 ? Ss 22:20 0:01 /usr/brlcad/bin/../bin/bwish /usr/brlcad/bin/archer |
| 21:21.01 | csanyipal | 1000 10161 0.0 0.0 4856 780 pts/0 S+ 22:20 0:00 grep bwish |
| 21:21.18 | brlcad | greap, so 10154 is the process id for archer |
| 21:21.23 | brlcad | great* |
| 21:21.25 | csanyipal | o |
| 21:21.27 | csanyipal | ok |
| 21:21.32 | brlcad | now run "gdb" |
| 21:21.40 | csanyipal | done |
| 21:21.41 | brlcad | then in gdb run "attach 10154" |
| 21:21.54 | csanyipal | done |
| 21:22.00 | brlcad | then "continue" |
| 21:22.13 | brlcad | then go back to archer, and make it crash |
| 21:22.18 | csanyipal | Continuing. |
| 21:22.51 | brlcad | once it crashes, go back to gdb and run "backtrace" |
| 21:22.52 | csanyipal | done |
| 21:22.58 | csanyipal | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 21:22.58 | csanyipal | [Switching to Thread 0xa893a6c0 (LWP 10154)] |
| 21:22.58 | csanyipal | 0xb7f35f00 in bu_calloc@plt () from /usr/brlcad/lib/libtclcad.so.19 |
| 21:22.58 | csanyipal | Current language: auto; currently asm |
| 21:23.25 | csanyipal | Archer are hanging now.. |
| 21:23.32 | csanyipal | is.. |
| 21:23.45 | brlcad | right, from here on archer is dead |
| 21:23.56 | brlcad | until you tell gdb to detach, it's just frozen |
| 21:24.03 | brlcad | "backtrace" ? |
| 21:24.49 | brlcad | run that command in gdb |
| 21:24.55 | csanyipal | done backtrace, but get many messages. |
| 21:25.03 | brlcad | right, that's what I need :) |
| 21:25.06 | brlcad | ~bapaste |
| 21:25.16 | brlcad | ~bzpaste |
| 21:25.17 | ibot | it has been said that bzpaste is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 21:25.17 | brlcad | hm |
| 21:25.23 | brlcad | there |
| 21:27.59 | csanyipal | I think it's there: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6bdd531a |
| 21:29.31 | brlcad | perfect, thanks .. hold on |
| 21:29.44 | csanyipal | ok |
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| 22:29.54 | csanyipal | I shall come back tomorrow. Go to sleep now. :) |
| 22:34.46 | brlcad | boohyaw |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37024 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: less emphasis on the statement to submit results, instead call attention to the |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: email address. improve the output reporting of sysctl (don't need vm) and the |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: way results are formatted. include prtdiag for solaris. use look_for to search |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the PATH to keep failures quiet (and avoid having to run the binary additional |
| 22:34.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: times) |
| 22:40.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37025 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: prevent calculating a negative or zero logarithm and printing -inf's if vgr fails to be calculated correctly |
| 22:44.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37026 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: report the summary to the log file too. no sense in it just being output to the screen. remove old comment about solaris. |
| 22:45.00 | brlcad | that puppy is about due a gui.. |
| 22:55.26 | brlcad | csanyipal's crash log is very bizarre.. smells like a smashed stack |
| 22:57.26 | brlcad | hard to say without peeking inside _bu_alloc() .. need a debug build |
| 22:58.14 | ``Erik | dunno, could be... I kinda smell lib order mixing with malloc hacketetry, myself |
| 22:59.42 | ``Erik | like tcl malloc executing, then backing up to find its mud, but finding BRL-CAD's mud instead |
| 22:59.47 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 23:02.11 | brlcad | tcl malloc should work too |
| 23:02.20 | brlcad | not that i've ever seen that happen |
| 23:03.07 | brlcad | i'd expect that mixup to cause a problem maybe during a free |
| 23:03.40 | ``Erik | <--- working off of smell :) not thinking |
| 23:04.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37027 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: if ged_open() fails, note the failure and stop so we don't allocate a ged_obj. |
| 23:05.53 | brlcad | alas useless without more debug info .. something for him to try later I suppose, maybe a manual command-line opendb or go_open |
| 23:07.38 | ``Erik | ayup |
| 23:15.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37028 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: aix ain't got no prtdiag or cpuinfo satisfaction but does reportedly have a prtconf command. use it. |
| 23:17.01 | brlcad | fg |
| 00:41.52 | Nohla | brlcad you're back :) |
| 00:46.34 | brlcad | Nohla: I am! |
| 01:00.51 | Nohla | brlcad the last time, the conversion to pdf was done simultaneously with the makefile, doesn't it?? |
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| 03:00.01 | Nohla | run make comand into dockbook but an error happened while running |
| 03:00.17 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_coordsys.png \ |
| 03:00.17 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_defaultradio.png \ |
| 03:00.17 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_flower_zooomin.png \ |
| 03:00.17 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_flower_zooomout.png \ |
| 03:00.17 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_multipane.png \ |
| 03:00.18 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_radio_35_25.png \ |
| 03:00.20 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_radio_front.png \ |
| 03:00.22 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_radio_right.png \ |
| 03:00.24 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_radio_top.png \ |
| 03:00.26 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_0_0_14.png \ |
| 03:00.28 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_270_-90.png \ |
| 03:00.30 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_270_90.png \ |
| 03:00.32 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_35_0.png \ |
| 03:00.34 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_35_25.png \ |
| 03:00.36 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_35_60.png \ |
| 03:00.38 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_35_90.png \ |
| 03:00.40 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_front.png \ |
| 03:00.42 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_left.png \ |
| 03:00.46 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_rear.png \ |
| 03:00.48 | Nohla | lessons/en/images/mged02_truck_right.png \ |
| 03:00.50 | Nohla | sorry |
| 03:00.59 | Nohla | this is: make[1]: *** [Makefile.in] Error 1 |
| 03:01.00 | Nohla | make[1]: se sale del directorio `/home/jesica/Desktop/brlcad' |
| 03:01.00 | Nohla | make: *** [../../aclocal.m4] Error 2 |
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| 06:24.33 | talcite | brlcad: is there any way that we can get one of the upstreams set up before new year's? My amount of free time right now is pretty big and will drop off for the first couple weeks of January |
| 06:36.57 | brlcad | talcite: before new years eh? quite possible .. I'll see what we can do |
| 06:37.17 | talcite | brlcad: great. Thanks! I can also start packaging one if you'd like |
| 06:37.28 | talcite | which one is least likely to change when we take over upstream? |
| 06:38.40 | brlcad | the one's we're talking about are URToolkit/libutahrle, step/SCL, and possibly tkhtml3 yes? |
| 06:39.09 | brlcad | step is least likely to change |
| 06:39.20 | brlcad | it's already got a self-contained build system for the most part |
| 06:39.34 | brlcad | docs and reasonable organization |
| 06:39.56 | brlcad | so it'll probably have get imported mostly as-is for starters |
| 06:44.15 | talcite | alright. I'll start working on step |
| 06:44.31 | talcite | yeah, tkhtml3 will probably need to be taken over. The upstream is really dead |
| 06:44.58 | talcite | It would also be really nice if we could remove the lemon external library which gets built with it and also hv3 |
| 06:45.26 | talcite | I don't actually understand how we build tkhtml3 without including lemon. Did we use bison instead? |
| 07:25.29 | brlcad | i'm not familiar with 'lemon' |
| 07:26.04 | brlcad | talcite: I also don't see lexer/parser files |
| 07:26.26 | talcite | brlcad: It's in the original tkhtml3 sources. Lemon is the parser they use |
| 07:26.27 | brlcad | we removed hv3 and the test suite in our integration |
| 07:26.36 | brlcad | part of hv3 or tkhtml3? |
| 07:26.51 | brlcad | i'm not particularly interested in hv3 |
| 07:26.57 | brlcad | should be a separate package |
| 07:27.39 | talcite | tkhtml3 sources I believe |
| 07:28.06 | brlcad | jesica__: the error occurs *before* the "Error 1" line .. look for the first place it says error then probably the line before *that* line is the one that caused the error |
| 07:29.05 | brlcad | talcite: sources for hv3 and tkhtml3 are together iirc |
| 07:29.29 | talcite | brlcad: yes, the src folder is for tkhtml3 and hv is separate I believe |
| 07:29.35 | brlcad | right |
| 07:29.51 | talcite | brlcad: there's references to lemon in the tkhtml3 src folder |
| 07:30.57 | brlcad | where? |
| 07:31.20 | brlcad | looking at the repo, there used to be a .y/.lem parser file, but no longer |
| 07:31.59 | brlcad | last commit says: "Switch from lemon to a hand-coded CSS parser. This makes it possible to handle parse errors in a standards compliant manner." |
| 07:32.14 | brlcad | so probably just some stale comment |
| 07:42.28 | talcite | brlcad: oh wait, you're doing a cvs pull? |
| 07:42.34 | talcite | I was looking at alpha16 release |
| 07:43.02 | brlcad | I believe we did |
| 07:43.10 | brlcad | don't know what is in alpha16 |
| 07:43.19 | brlcad | cvs hasn't changed in about 2 years |
| 07:43.31 | brlcad | alpha16 is at least 22 months old |
| 07:46.06 | talcite | Ahh. that makes more sense now |
| 07:46.20 | talcite | Can we do a CVS pull for our upstream in tkhtml3? It would greatly simplify things |
| 07:47.05 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 07:47.23 | brlcad | I certainly wouldn't be starting with a16 if we took over as upstream |
| 07:47.51 | talcite | ah ok. Alright, then everything is fine |
| 07:47.56 | brlcad | i've already contacted dan to see where he stands with maintainership |
| 07:48.04 | brlcad | so that one is tbd |
| 07:49.17 | talcite | oh really? I sent an email to dan and he said the project is not active |
| 07:49.37 | brlcad | I wasn't asking if it's active |
| 07:58.35 | brlcad | utah folks notified |
| 07:58.42 | talcite | brlcad: ah ok. Dan was pretty quick on email when I last contacted him. |
| 07:58.54 | talcite | brlcad: any thoughts on what we'll do with NURBS? |
| 07:59.04 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 07:59.29 | brlcad | it's got an "active" albeit very private and slow upstream |
| 07:59.47 | talcite | but they didn't want our source modifications right? |
| 08:00.36 | brlcad | heh, nice .. both utah contact emails came back immediately rejected |
| 08:01.06 | talcite | brlcad: proposal rejected or routing rejected? |
| 08:01.13 | brlcad | dead address |
| 08:02.30 | talcite | ahh well. Is it safe to assume we can take upstream? |
| 08:04.26 | brlcad | oh, I already knew we could |
| 08:04.32 | brlcad | i just didn't know the mails were dead :) |
| 08:04.46 | brlcad | I was just sending a cordial notification of the intention |
| 08:05.27 | brlcad | the last version, 3.1b, was released more than a decade ago |
| 08:05.32 | brlcad | 1996 iirc |
| 08:05.55 | talcite | ah. Heh I was just starting to use computers back then |
| 08:06.18 | brlcad | it's long overdue a 4.0 release ;0 |
| 08:06.48 | brlcad | then I can finally quell all those damn compilation warnings |
| 08:07.11 | brlcad | and get rid of some of the crap |
| 08:07.48 | talcite | heh. Sounds good. |
| 08:12.28 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37029 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/deprecation.txt: the hf primitive was deprecated with release 6.0 .. should remove it at release 8 |
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| 08:21.17 | csanyipal | Hi, |
| 08:21.23 | brlcad | howdy |
| 08:21.27 | csanyipal | :) |
| 08:21.53 | csanyipal | I'm ready for testing Archer. |
| 08:22.19 | brlcad | the trace you provided earlier is very odd .. need more information |
| 08:22.26 | csanyipal | ok |
| 08:22.37 | brlcad | need a debug build |
| 08:22.42 | csanyipal | ok |
| 08:22.47 | brlcad | that looks like it was an optimized compile? |
| 08:22.54 | csanyipal | yes, it is. |
| 08:23.22 | brlcad | if you can recompile without optimization enabled, that should give a more informative backtrace |
| 08:23.36 | brlcad | in the meantime, you can try running archer in a couple other ways |
| 08:23.46 | brlcad | like providing the .g on the command line "archer file.g" |
| 08:23.48 | csanyipal | I can, of course. |
| 08:24.23 | brlcad | or within archer on archer's command line "opendb file.g" or "gop file.g" |
| 08:24.30 | brlcad | fantastic, thanks |
| 08:24.41 | csanyipal | you are wellcome! :) |
| 08:32.18 | csanyipal | when I run: 'archer radio.g' I get Segmentation fault. |
| 08:32.42 | brlcad | does it happen with other .g files too? |
| 08:32.44 | brlcad | or just radio.g? |
| 08:33.41 | csanyipal | it does happen with other .g files too. |
| 08:37.01 | brlcad | okay, good to know .. and you're running from an svn compile, yes? |
| 08:37.48 | csanyipal | Yes. When in the Archer's command line run the command 'gop radio.g' I get error message: Archer> gop radio.g |
| 08:37.48 | csanyipal | Error: invalid command name "gop" |
| 08:38.05 | csanyipal | Yes, I'm running brlcad builded from SVN. |
| 08:38.22 | brlcad | did opendb work? |
| 08:38.35 | csanyipal | no, I get the same error message. |
| 08:38.47 | csanyipal | invalid command name. |
| 08:38.49 | brlcad | ah, go_open |
| 08:39.23 | brlcad | go_open foo file.g |
| 08:39.58 | csanyipal | go_open radio.g give to me: Error: invalid command name "go_open" |
| 08:40.31 | csanyipal | gives |
| 08:46.59 | csanyipal | Must I delete /usr/brlcad/ directory before the new installation of debug build? |
| 08:47.19 | brlcad | csanyipal: it's a good idea |
| 08:47.41 | csanyipal | ok |
| 08:47.52 | brlcad | not strictly necessary, but a good idea regarless |
| 08:48.05 | csanyipal | ok |
| 08:51.01 | csanyipal | I have installed now the debug build. I'm going to reproduce Segmentation fault and bzpaste the backtrace again. :) |
| 08:53.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37030 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (8 files in 6 dirs): quell a slew of strict compilation warnings/errors adding in extra parameter validation and denoting unused attributes |
| 08:56.29 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37031 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: quellage. and that brings us to nmgs! .. progress of sorts |
| 09:01.11 | csanyipal | when I get in gdb on terminal the message: Continuing. after the command '(gdb) continue' |
| 09:02.53 | csanyipal | and when in Archer trying to open a .g file, I get a dialog with message: Error Unsupported display manager type - ogl |
| 09:03.01 | csanyipal | and the buttons Exit and OK |
| 09:04.22 | csanyipal | so when I hit OK Archer won't crash. |
| 09:07.04 | csanyipal | but I have in Archer a strange behavior of the mouse pointer: the poiner shows that there is a process.. |
| 09:07.17 | csanyipal | hanging.. |
| 09:07.26 | csanyipal | but I can to open menus.. |
| 09:07.51 | csanyipal | and change say the background color. |
| 09:09.07 | jesica__ | brlcad, are you a bot? |
| 09:09.28 | jesica__ | please, sleep a little from time to time |
| 09:09.51 | csanyipal | :) |
| 09:17.59 | jesica__ | well done :) |
| 09:21.29 | csanyipal | so I think I'm going to compile brlcad --without-ogl |
| 09:22.46 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37032 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): remove the unused resource pointer from the adjust() callback. |
| 09:23.06 | brlcad | heh |
| 09:23.31 | brlcad | csanyipal: hm.. archer won't work without ogl |
| 09:23.41 | csanyipal | brlcad: uh! |
| 09:23.55 | brlcad | at least, I don't think it will |
| 09:23.56 | brlcad | can try it |
| 09:24.07 | csanyipal | ok, I will try it. |
| 09:24.20 | csanyipal | but if you have another solution? |
| 09:24.52 | csanyipal | what can I do to solve this problem? |
| 09:30.05 | csanyipal | Good, so I'm still trying to use Archer and brlcad with OpenGL. |
| 09:31.28 | brlcad | are you up-to-date? |
| 09:31.33 | brlcad | "svn update" |
| 09:32.44 | csanyipal | svn update |
| 09:32.44 | csanyipal | Skipped '.' |
| 09:35.59 | csanyipal | when I run 'svn update' inside of brlcad directory, I get: ... Updated to revision 37032. |
| 09:43.22 | brlcad | okay good |
| 09:43.34 | csanyipal | :) |
| 09:43.59 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37033 10/brlcad/trunk/ (36 files in 36 dirs): remove the unused resource pointer from the ifree() callback. |
| 09:47.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37034 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (constraint.c db5_bin.c db_comb.c dir.c): few more ifree() callers |
| 09:47.39 | brlcad | enough play time for tonight.. bbiab |
| 09:49.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37035 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ars/ars.c: few peculiar ifree() calls |
| 09:49.15 | csanyipal | bye. |
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| 10:13.26 | Tesl0r722 | hi |
| 10:15.30 | Tesl0r722 | you all workin with blr or did somebody work with catia? |
| 10:19.24 | csanyipal | Well, after I updated my local svn with 'svn update' and compile brlcad with: './configure' and with 'make -j2' I get Error message: |
| 10:19.41 | csanyipal | adjust.c: In function âged_adjustâ: |
| 10:19.41 | csanyipal | adjust.c:80: error: too many arguments to function âintern.idb_meth->ft_adjustâ |
| 10:19.41 | csanyipal | make[2]: *** [adjust.lo] Error 1 |
| 10:19.41 | csanyipal | make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... |
| 10:19.41 | csanyipal | mv -f .deps/ae2dir.Tpo .deps/ae2dir.Plo |
| 10:19.41 | csanyipal | make[2]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/SVN/brlcad/src/libged' |
| 10:19.43 | csanyipal | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 10:19.46 | csanyipal | make[1]: Leaving directory `/debian-adatok-1/CAD/BRL-CAD/SVN/brlcad/src' |
| 10:19.49 | csanyipal | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 14:28.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37036 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (9 files): unbreak build, fix a slew of calls to the ifree() and adjust() functabs where the resource pointer parameter was removed. all amazingly and uselessly used the rt_uniresource. |
| 14:32.15 | brlcad | looks like we're taking over tkhtml3 upstream |
| 14:41.35 | ``Erik | hm |
| 14:43.22 | ``Erik | is it using tcl.tk's trac for project management? |
| 14:52.30 | brlcad | not for much longer! |
| 14:52.46 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37037 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (10 files in 10 dirs): s/log/logstr/g where it's a bu_vls string for quellage purposes. |
| 15:07.13 | ``Erik | heh, we should add http://penn.emaxcess.com/digital_reality_with_cad_015.htm to db/ for jra :) |
| 15:08.01 | ``Erik | is tkhtml3 going to have it's own sf project, or fall under the brlcad umbrella like rtcmp, isst, jbrlcad, ...? |
| 15:15.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37038 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_system.h): check for functional malloc.h (being #error'd on some new systems) |
| 15:16.30 | brlcad | screw malloc.h |
| 15:16.36 | brlcad | just include stdlib.h |
| 15:16.49 | brlcad | less cruft |
| 15:16.57 | ``Erik | that header includes stdlib.h, then does some #ifdef for windows and includes malloc.h as the fallthrough |
| 15:17.23 | brlcad | so it's not needed then.. |
| 15:17.50 | ``Erik | *shrug* unless you have an archaic system |
| 15:19.02 | brlcad | it's never been needed that I know of, just provided the malloc subset of stdlib so some folks got used to using it |
| 15:19.33 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37039 10/brlcad/trunk/ (configure.ac src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_system.h): eliminate references to malloc.h |
| 15:20.45 | brlcad | tkhtml3 isn't going under the umbrella |
| 15:21.14 | brlcad | one of the current maintainers wants to move it to fossil |
| 15:21.17 | ``Erik | that'll make packaging it easier |
| 15:21.22 | indianlarry | brlcad: rt_comb_adjust() in librt/tcl.c tries to free 'resp' the recently removed resource pointer; trickles down through db_tree_parse() |
| 15:21.39 | ``Erik | fossil? O.o sounds disturbingly apropos for tcl projects *cough* O:-) |
| 15:21.50 | brlcad | not played with fossil myself, but looking into it |
| 15:21.54 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:21.56 | brlcad | fossil-scm |
| 15:22.10 | brlcad | git/mercurial hosting provider |
| 15:22.17 | ``Erik | yes, .org |
| 15:22.27 | brlcad | indianlarry: okay |
| 15:25.49 | ``Erik | does svn allow tagging of subtrees? wondering if we should tag imports with their imported version, so we can do a diff against the tag when updating to hit all the mods |
| 15:27.02 | brlcad | svn has no concept of tagging, it's just a lightweight copy into a 'tag' dir -- we could tag imports if we were disciplined enough, but I suspect .. we're not |
| 15:28.02 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37040 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/tcl.c: make sure it's not a null resource pointer, and more log/logstr quellage |
| 15:29.18 | ``Erik | stares at todays xkcd for a few hours O.o :D |
| 15:32.15 | ``Erik | that is one awesome representation |
| 15:33.23 | brlcad | http://www.siggraph.org/s2010/for_submitters/game_papers |
| 15:37.38 | brlcad | fails to see how db_tcl_tree_parse() is called |
| 15:38.23 | ``Erik | so break and bt |
| 15:38.45 | brlcad | I don't think it's actually called |
| 15:38.51 | brlcad | was just following the wrong func |
| 15:49.17 | brlcad | indianlarry: that should fix it |
| 15:49.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37041 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (db_tree.c tcl.c): |
| 15:49.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: more resource fallout. rt_comb_adjust() needs a resource pointer to pass to |
| 15:49.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: db_free_tree() and db_tree_parse() so provide the uniresource. add a slew of |
| 15:49.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: nullity/resource parameter validations to public api (should never be required |
| 15:49.31 | brlcad | my build is still going before I can be sure they're all squished |
| 15:49.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: to pass a non-null resource) while we're at it. |
| 15:50.00 | ``Erik | is seeing stuff busted left and right O.o svn up && gmake |
| 15:52.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37042 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: remove resource pointer from rt_hf_to_dsp() decl. |
| 15:53.06 | ``Erik | heh, doh, I was just build testing that :) |
| 15:56.18 | brlcad | got a faster build going now |
| 16:01.08 | ``Erik | asc2g is busted |
| 16:02.08 | indianlarry | i've got all the ifree updated in src/conv i'll checkin |
| 16:03.19 | ``Erik | mged/utility1.c is busted |
| 16:03.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r37043 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/ (7 files in 2 dirs): unused resource fixes for ifree and rt_hf_to_dsp |
| 16:03.58 | ``Erik | that looks like it |
| 16:06.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r37044 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/utility1.c: unused resource fixes for ifree |
| 16:07.21 | ``Erik | w00t, full build |
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| 16:15.20 | csanyipal | Hi, |
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| 16:46.55 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37045 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/deprecation.txt: include a section for sed-scriptable 'minimally impacting' changes, provide an actual regex that performs the change. note the intention to change rt_db_free_internal(). |
| 16:51.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37046 10/brlcad/trunk/ (113 files in 19 dirs): remove the rt_uniresource parameter from rt_db_free_internal(). it's no longer needed now that ifree() doesn't need one and was only used by combs anyways and was almost always the rt_uniresource. |
| 16:52.45 | ``Erik | ffffffeck |
| 16:56.01 | ``Erik | rebuilds and re-reads the diff and hopes there're no conflicts O.o |
| 16:56.12 | brlcad | muahaha |
| 16:56.32 | ``Erik | (at least I rebuild before commiting and breaking the tree *cough*) |
| 16:56.46 | brlcad | this one was actually a proper recursive query replace, so should be better :) |
| 16:58.15 | ``Erik | well, no, you broke it :) |
| 16:58.17 | ``Erik | src/conv/intaval/write_brl.cpp: In function 'void smoothBot(rt_wdb*, char*)': |
| 16:58.17 | ``Erik | include/raytrace.h:3257: error: too many arguments to function 'void rt_db_free_internal(rt_db_internal*)' |
| 16:58.20 | ``Erik | src/conv/intaval/write_brl.cpp:119: error: at this point in file |
| 16:58.38 | brlcad | "better" |
| 16:59.21 | brlcad | ahh yes, c++ file |
| 16:59.59 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37047 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/intaval/write_brl.cpp: uniresource is gone |
| 17:02.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37048 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/cmd.c: the intention of isascii() here is unclear given our lacking support of non-ascii i/o, remove it since it's a non-posix call. |
| 17:04.11 | ``Erik | whistles and walks away from the computer O:-) |
| 17:12.46 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37049 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/raytrace.h src/librt/binary_obj.c): use size_t for the object sizes instead of long long. quell unreachable code warning where binunifs were arbitrarily being clamped to __LONG_MAX__. |
| 17:13.28 | ``Erik | hm, I wonder if that's going to break my 10 minute commit here |
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| 17:17.22 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37050 10/brlcad/trunk/ (450 files in 37 dirs): remove register keyword |
| 17:17.42 | brlcad | woah |
| 17:17.50 | ``Erik | nothing in the rt path |
| 17:19.28 | brlcad | *nod*, lotta files ;) |
| 17:19.36 | ``Erik | yes, thus the 'fffeck' earlier : ) |
| 17:19.42 | brlcad | haha |
| 17:19.48 | ``Erik | the diff was 22k lines |
| 17:24.00 | brlcad | nice |
| 17:24.41 | brlcad | jeeeeeeebus! not even halfway done with librt quellage.. |
| 17:25.35 | brlcad | and that's just for one plat.. which is probably only 75% of the overall effort |
| 17:26.02 | brlcad | ~.75 * .5 |
| 17:26.03 | ibot | 0.375 |
| 17:26.06 | ``Erik | aren't you supposed to be hanging out with family or something? |
| 17:26.10 | brlcad | wee |
| 17:26.24 | brlcad | changed the plan |
| 17:26.47 | brlcad | now it just involves a shovel and a back yard |
| 17:27.07 | brlcad | neither of which I have |
| 17:27.31 | ``Erik | you have a back yard? |
| 17:29.22 | brlcad | "neither of which I have" |
| 17:29.45 | brlcad | yes, yes I don't |
| 17:29.46 | ``Erik | oh, missed that line |
| 17:29.51 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37051 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_open.c: fsync() isn't posix, so don't try it if we're compiling strict |
| 17:30.20 | ``Erik | ohhhhhhh |
| 17:30.46 | brlcad | src/conv/step .. is really really really warning noisy :) |
| 17:30.59 | ``Erik | yes, much string/char* spew |
| 17:31.04 | brlcad | I think that directory alone is 90% of my warning log |
| 17:31.09 | ``Erik | from ExpDict.h |
| 17:31.21 | ``Erik | want me to smack indianlarry upside the head for ya? |
| 17:31.40 | brlcad | warning: "__O3DB__" is not defined |
| 17:31.47 | brlcad | seems to be a big culprit |
| 17:31.53 | ``Erik | can I smack indianlarry anyways? |
| 17:31.55 | indianlarry | funny i was compiling pedantic ? |
| 17:31.58 | brlcad | he's bigger than you |
| 17:32.06 | brlcad | he's bigger than me |
| 17:32.13 | brlcad | i'm not sure smacking him is a viable approach |
| 17:32.14 | indianlarry | combined |
| 17:32.30 | indianlarry | i'll 6take a look at it |
| 17:32.40 | ``Erik | 'sok, I lived in missoura, I have solutions |
| 17:32.46 | ``Erik | hey, indianlarry, can I borrow your truck for a minute? |
| 17:32.52 | brlcad | indianlarry: try on linux with --enable-warnings |
| 17:33.03 | brlcad | that won't make them strict, but will make them report |
| 17:33.15 | ``Erik | I get blabber without strict about deprecated casting on fbsd |
| 17:33.51 | brlcad | rather, --enable-warnings won't make them errors |
| 17:38.12 | brlcad | fwiw, pedantic just means check for for a specific set of non-posix (non-c89) semantics and calls -- those are somewhat orthogonal issues to what the various warning flags (-W -Wall -Wshadow, etc) indicate |
| 17:42.49 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37052 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/db_open.c: sync() is also a no-go, just rely on fflush() |
| 17:52.48 | indianlarry | I'm not getting any warning on my linux box (-Wall and/or --enable-warning) using gcc 4.1.2-46 |
| 17:53.03 | brlcad | o.O |
| 17:53.22 | indianlarry | Erik showed me some of the string/char 8 cast warnings coming out of the STEP lib |
| 17:53.41 | indianlarry | I'll builkd on my mac and see what I get |
| 17:54.04 | brlcad | what does one of your compile lines look like |
| 17:54.15 | brlcad | like for SdaiAll.cc |
| 17:54.49 | brlcad | mine: if /bin/sh ../../../libtool --silent --tag=CXX --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../../include -I../../../src/other/step/include -I../../../src/other/step/src/cleditor -I../../../src/other/step/src/clstepcore -I../../../src/other/step/src/clutils -I../../../src/other/step/src/cldai -I../../../src/other/step/src/test -I../../../src/other/tcl/generic -I../../../src/other/tcl/unix -I../../../src/other/tnt -I../../../src/other/openNURBS -I../.. |
| 17:57.48 | indianlarry | from eclipse: |
| 17:57.51 | indianlarry | g++ -DSCLBUILD=1 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I"/home/wbowman/Desktop/STEP/step-g" -I"/home/wbowman/Desktop/STEP/step-g/src" -I/home/wbowman/Desktop/brlcad/include -I/home/wbowman/Desktop/brlcad/include/brlcad -I/home/wbowman/Desktop/brlcad/include/openNURBS -I/home/wbowman/Desktop/brlcad_src/src/other/step/include -I/home/wbowman/Desktop/brlcad_src/src/other/step/src/cleditor -I/home/wbowman/Desktop/brlcad_src/src/other/step/src/clstepcore -I/home/wbowman/Desktop |
| 17:58.08 | brlcad | that's without any warning flags :0 |
| 17:58.33 | indianlarry | -Wall ? |
| 17:58.38 | brlcad | not even wall |
| 17:58.45 | brlcad | you have an eclipse project set up? |
| 17:58.59 | indianlarry | just for the step converter |
| 17:59.07 | brlcad | presume you set CFLAGS .. you have to also set CXXFLAGS |
| 17:59.22 | ``Erik | CPPFLAGS ftw |
| 17:59.38 | indianlarry | here is the brlcad build line: |
| 17:59.41 | indianlarry | if /bin/sh ../../../libtool --silent --tag=CXX --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../../brlcad_src/src/conv/step -I../../../include -I../../../../brlcad_src/src/other/step/include -I../../../../brlcad_src/src/other/step/src/cleditor -I../../../../brlcad_src/src/other/step/src/clstepcore -I../../../../brlcad_src/src/other/step/src/clutils -I../../../../brlcad_src/src/other/step/src/cldai -I../../../../brlcad_src/src/other/step/src/test -I.. |
| 17:59.47 | brlcad | the verbose flags that configure sets is: -W -Wall -Wundef -Wfloat-equal -Wshadow -Wunreachable-code -Winline |
| 18:00.09 | brlcad | yeah, that is just default .. no warning flags |
| 18:00.51 | brlcad | or a truncated paste ... |
| 18:01.00 | brlcad | I just see: |
| 18:01.00 | brlcad | if /bin/sh ../../../libtool --silent --tag=CXX --mode=compile g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../../brlcad_src/src/conv/step -I../../../include -I../../../../brlcad_src/src/other/step/include |
| 18:01.04 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.47 | indianlarry | i'll go back and get those turned on |
| 18:02.23 | ``Erik | goes to amazon.com and searches for "an idiots guide to making NMG's" :D or mebbe I'll just keep looking at arb8 and try to kick some braincells into action |
| 18:02.34 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:03.03 | ``Erik | (printout, highlighter and pen... wee) |
| 18:08.00 | brlcad | src/proc-db/tea_nmg.c is decent starter |
| 18:08.14 | brlcad | but iirc, one of the source files has some good bits in comment |
| 18:08.16 | brlcad | *.ooks |
| 18:08.35 | brlcad | ah yeah: src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_mk.c .... |
| 18:08.53 | ``Erik | yeh, digging in those, tracing how the arb8 uses 'em |
| 18:09.08 | brlcad | a couple comment blocks in there really are the start of explaining the whole nmg api |
| 18:09.16 | brlcad | the cryptic function names, etc |
| 18:10.02 | ``Erik | *nod* |
| 18:12.30 | ``Erik | hm, teapot uses nurb type nmg's, not bot type :/ |
| 18:12.41 | brlcad | ah, my bad |
| 18:13.12 | brlcad | there is nmgmodel.c in there, but seems kinda messy to me |
| 18:14.14 | brlcad | aaaand, it crashes if I run it .. heh |
| 18:21.15 | yukonbob | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-12/msg00812.html |
| 18:21.26 | yukonbob | hello, #brlcad |
| 18:22.32 | ``Erik | hm, asc-nmg.c |
| 18:23.14 | brlcad | wonders if they preserved their history |
| 18:24.04 | ``Erik | is that the cvs->bazaar switch? |
| 18:24.11 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:24.25 | ``Erik | <-- thought about pasting it this morning, but figured everyone reasons slashdot |
| 18:24.34 | brlcad | talk about a quadruple bypass culture shock :) |
| 18:25.40 | ``Erik | heh, g-nmg doh |
| 18:31.01 | ``Erik | that's teh recursive thingymajigger I've been wanting :D |
| 18:43.05 | ``Erik | Cut_unimontone is in an infinite loop |
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| 19:15.22 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37053 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/nmgmodel.c: plot the model before we call mk_nmg() because mk_nmg() releases the model passed to it during export/ifree. prevent crashy. |
| 19:18.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37054 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 19:18.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: a few libwdb routines need to be modified to not free user-allocated structures. |
| 19:18.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: export ends up calling free/ifree releasing the passed parameter, which can lead |
| 19:18.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: to bad unexpected things happening to the caller. should make a copy of the |
| 19:18.52 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: struct like other wdb routines do. |
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| 20:56.16 | ``Erik | AWESOME |
| 20:56.33 | ``Erik | nmgmodel && rt nmgmodel.g r.NMG == segfault |
| 20:56.37 | ``Erik | halfway up the rt |
| 20:58.28 | ``Erik | looks like it catches an error and crashes trying to report it |
| 20:59.29 | ``Erik | yeh, exit without entry, |
| 20:59.59 | ``Erik | and a smashed stack to boot |
| 21:04.02 | yukonbob | maybe rt is now sentient, and is trying to h4x0r your computer for fun and profit? |
| 21:08.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37055 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: remove handling of non-existant GTK+ signal |
| 21:08.26 | ``Erik | nah, it's a fruity non-solid manifold, methinks, confuses boolweave or something |
| 21:10.02 | ``Erik | the crash on error reporting is weird, though |
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| 22:41.17 | starseeker | hasn't heard of fossil before, unless you count dead animals turned to stone... |
| 22:42.50 | starseeker | oh http://www.fossil-scm.org |
| 22:45.12 | starseeker | another one-off scm... hmm... |
| 22:58.57 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, my thoughts too |
| 23:00.26 | yukonbob | fossil == nice |
| 23:01.07 | yukonbob | drh writes good software. |
| 23:01.36 | brlcad | the connection: drh is one of the tkhtml3 devs |
| 23:01.56 | yukonbob | and of sqlite fame, as well. |
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| 23:02.11 | brlcad | dunno if he or dlk did most |
| 23:02.23 | brlcad | yeah, same dude |
| 23:03.07 | yukonbob | has been using fossil for quite a while hisself, after switching from mercurial. |
| 23:03.25 | ``Erik | vcs of the week? |
| 23:04.28 | yukonbob | git was (is?) a bit of a mess wrt all the binaries it requires, and also I've used fossil in BSD, MacOS, and Windows successfully, where git was not (I heard this has changed) a Windows-friendly program |
| 23:05.37 | ``Erik | psshhhh, everyone knows darcs is the one true way |
| 23:06.31 | brlcad | visual source safe ftw!!!!11! |
| 23:07.05 | yukonbob | reads wikipeida re: VSS |
| 23:08.27 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:08.37 | yukonbob | nice: Although "eating their own dog food" is often said to be part of Microsoft's culture, VSS appears to be an exception |
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| 01:51.17 | starseeker | yukonbob: I've heard git is getting baround in the usability department |
| 01:51.49 | starseeker | doesn't want to maintain a version control system too ;-) |
| 01:52.46 | starseeker | er better all around even |
| 01:53.51 | starseeker | ``Erik: main complaint I hear about darcs is that it doesn't scale well |
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| 01:56.15 | starseeker | yukonbob: looks like these guys are handling git on windows: http://code.google.com/p/msysgit |
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| 02:00.18 | starseeker | ponders... hv3 very likely has some good stuff buried in it that could live as separate, smaller tcl/tk packages... |
| 02:01.28 | starseeker | the most obvious one that comes to mind is pulling out the image display stuff and making tkhtml3img or some such a package |
| 02:02.19 | starseeker | sorta enable building up html viewers between our man page viewer and hv3 |
| 02:05.42 | starseeker | blinks - tkhtml.sf.net is already registered |
| 02:06.47 | starseeker | back in August |
| 02:08.46 | starseeker | kdulcimer... not a nick I immediately recognize |
| 02:10.14 | starseeker | hmm Unless he was forking under GPL, he's got the wrong license up |
| 02:10.49 | starseeker | grins evilly - well, we could always register tkhtml3.sf.net |
| 02:11.23 | starseeker | net |
| 02:11.52 | starseeker | hmm - doing screen from a Windows terminal seems to have it's share of quirks |
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| 02:17.38 | ``Erik | O.o cygwin? |
| 02:23.23 | starseeker | msys |
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| 02:39.03 | ``Erik | tkhtml.sf.net seems to have nothing of note in the svn repo and no files... perhaps they were unaware of the existing tkhtml and are trying to create one form scratch? or are just placeholding (with a damn donation link) |
| 02:39.24 | ``Erik | they might be willing to relinquish if ya talked to them/him? *shrug* |
| 02:41.07 | ``Erik | hm, but they reference hv3 |
| 02:43.37 | talcite | tkhtml3.sf.net might end up being useless if we ever go to tkhtml4 =) |
| 02:45.50 | ``Erik | therealtkhtml.sf.net heh |
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| 02:45.59 | ``Erik | *shrug* they may be willing to surrender the project if they're not actively pursuing it and just want it to work (and think you'd actually keep up on it) |
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| 02:47.25 | ``Erik | (notice how I distance myself from responsibility there... I've been in the corporate world too damn long :D ) |
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| 03:05.49 | brlcad | starseeker: actually want to ditch the 3 suffix .. |
| 03:06.00 | brlcad | versioned project names that don't have a recognizable trademark are pretty rediculous |
| 03:10.31 | brlcad | i noticed the sf project a couple months ago |
| 03:11.02 | brlcad | looks like a placeholder effort, someone was going to fork (or did in private and isn't used to public repos) |
| 03:11.48 | brlcad | can always ask, or attempt a sf takeover, or change the name ;) |
| 03:14.13 | brlcad | if drh is willing to set up fossil and be a support line, I'm willing to give it a try -- that in itself provides a tracker system and an integrated wiki |
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| 03:23.34 | ``Erik | plus the legitimacy of having the previous maintainer 'bless' it |
| 03:28.54 | starseeker | votes for also asking about the sf site, just in case |
| 03:29.13 | brlcad | already asked |
| 03:29.17 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 03:29.47 | starseeker | should have known ;-) |
| 03:30.17 | ``Erik | ah, but when you asked it was just a random cold-call... this drh feller has agreed to pass the torch now, so that might carry more weight |
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| 03:30.35 | ``Erik | could also be that back when brlcad asked, they were full of vim and vigor (and maybe some emacs), and now they've gone cold on the idea |
| 03:31.06 | starseeker | could be |
| 03:31.32 | brlcad | no, I mean I *just* asked |
| 03:31.50 | brlcad | didn't matter before today, and still kinda don't care much |
| 03:32.49 | brlcad | also drh is just one of two devs, current maintainer is listed as dlk |
| 03:32.56 | brlcad | unclear how they interact |
| 03:33.28 | brlcad | dlk was cool with the takeover, drh said then he'd set up fossil |
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| 03:34.12 | ``Erik | ah, 'k |
| 03:34.34 | starseeker | shrugs - well, I'm game to give fossil a go on something minor like tkhtml |
| 03:35.22 | starseeker | ponders trying to reverse his earlier humiliation trying to get TEA and autotools to play nice... |
| 03:36.03 | ``Erik | if fossil isn't up to snuff, can we migrate off of it while retaining the history |
| 03:36.07 | ``Erik | ? |
| 03:36.18 | starseeker | not sure |
| 03:36.24 | brlcad | dont' see why not |
| 03:37.35 | starseeker | if all else fails there's always pulling diffs and patching to recreate the history via scripting |
| 03:38.00 | brlcad | yep |
| 03:38.36 | starseeker | not really sure how much tkhtml will change - probably depends on whether the tcl/tk community starts contirbuting patches |
| 03:38.58 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't know anything about fossil, feels the need to ask the obvious questions (be surprised how often there're missed obvious things) |
| 03:39.45 | starseeker | ``Erik: plus, we'll be syncing the things we care about into our subversion copy anyway |
| 03:48.13 | ``Erik | ugliest mfc ever? :) |
| 03:49.44 | starseeker | mmm? |
| 03:50.32 | ``Erik | merge from current |
| 03:50.39 | starseeker | ah |
| 03:50.51 | ``Erik | (from fbsd's cvs shtuff) |
| 03:50.59 | starseeker | thought you were talking about a windows api |
| 03:51.04 | ``Erik | ehhhh |
| 03:51.26 | ``Erik | microsoft foundation classes was just nasty... a halfassed class wrapping around win16, then win32 |
| 03:51.40 | ``Erik | actually got money for coding in it :( |
| 03:51.48 | ``Erik | in, uh, '96 |
| 03:52.03 | ``Erik | I'm such a whore :~( heheheh |
| 03:52.13 | starseeker | kinda like boxing with handcuffs on? |
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| 03:52.41 | ``Erik | well, after doing mfc and borland owl |
| 03:53.12 | ``Erik | and attempting to do ANY gui programming on leenewx (amulet, xaw, even motif), java's awt was ... nice |
| 03:53.15 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 03:53.31 | ``Erik | then I did qt, which sucked but had an awesome tutorial, then gtk which was just ... the least painful |
| 03:53.59 | starseeker | heh |
| 03:54.01 | ``Erik | but bear in mind, c++ on gcc 2.7 with a 120mhz cyrix was a sssslllloooowwwww painful compile |
| 03:54.16 | starseeker | plus, that was some ancient Qt... |
| 03:54.24 | ``Erik | I spent a nontrivial amount of time reorganizing and tweaking headers to make my game engine at the time compile fast |
| 03:55.02 | ``Erik | like, 10s fast when the c++ engines my peers were writing did the same functionality but took like half an hour a pop |
| 03:55.16 | ``Erik | I learned dirty dark cpp secrets in those days :) |
| 03:55.38 | ``Erik | these days, I don't abuse cpp at all, it's all clean and simple and easy to read O:-) |
| 03:55.58 | starseeker | reads yahoo mail and sees he is behind the times |
| 03:56.23 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh. Yeah, c++ abuse was a common crime in the early days |
| 03:56.36 | ``Erik | I wanna say qt1.2? gtk/gnome was around .010 |
| 03:56.39 | ``Erik | no, cpp, not c++... |
| 03:56.45 | ``Erik | the preprocessor |
| 03:56.48 | starseeker | ah |
| 03:56.55 | starseeker | (stupid naming conventions...) |
| 03:57.17 | ``Erik | cpp is the preprocessor... c++ is .c++, .cxx, .C or .cc |
| 03:57.27 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:59.15 | brlcad | yeah, that's msvc's suffix bastardization |
| 03:59.31 | brlcad | .cxx or .c++ ftw |
| 03:59.39 | ``Erik | ms products flip on .c++ |
| 03:59.56 | ``Erik | I tend to use .cxx and .hxx when I'm forced to touch that language |
| 04:00.59 | ``Erik | (the template approach to the partial evaluation problem is interesting... ugly but functional... gotta say that for the lang) |
| 04:02.35 | ``Erik | bah, the brep stuff all has .cpp in our librt and conv dirs |
| 04:02.45 | ``Erik | and proc-db |
| 04:03.01 | ``Erik | ponders a bit of time to do a bunch of svn mv's tomorrow |
| 04:04.05 | ``Erik | (screwdrivers ftw.) |
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| 04:07.06 | starseeker | ``Erik: works for me |
| 04:07.14 | starseeker | what convention does opennurbs use? |
| 04:10.42 | ``Erik | windows style |
| 04:10.46 | ``Erik | it's a windows program |
| 04:10.58 | ``Erik | *nix is an afterthought |
| 04:11.45 | starseeker | waits to see ``Erik attempt to convince the Rhino folk to change all their file suffixes |
| 04:13.53 | ``Erik | heh, no |
| 04:18.24 | ``Erik | my tenure as a winderz user was feb '96 to oct '96, somewhere I have a printout of the rhino3d manual from that era O.o they've been at it a while |
| 04:18.39 | ``Erik | that they released what they did under a reasonable license is boggling |
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| 04:30.59 | yukonbob | starseeker: re: git -- not surprised. |
| 04:31.54 | starseeker | ``Erik: how is it boggling? |
| 04:32.13 | yukonbob | and while I love Unix, and thinks it's nearly infinately superior to Windows, the distinct lack of respect for Windows as a platform that seemed to be the culture of git was... baffling. |
| 04:32.17 | ``Erik | proprietary windows software giving away part of their core? |
| 04:32.25 | brlcad | kdulcimer is amenable to granting admin on the sf.net project |
| 04:32.33 | ``Erik | under an lgpl friendly license? |
| 04:32.35 | starseeker | brlcad: sweet |
| 04:32.56 | brlcad | he's not a coder, was just setting up a place to host an svn repo for it, but couldn't figure it out |
| 04:33.07 | ``Erik | he and monkey will want to continue to be involved/admin? |
| 04:33.14 | starseeker | yukonbob: not too surprising - original concept by head Linux guy for Linux kernel |
| 04:33.41 | starseeker | ``Erik: as I understand it, they gave away that part 'cause it's the part needed to convert things to/from 3dm files |
| 04:33.47 | yukonbob | starseeker: of course, but how many years does it take to make something portable... it's _only_ a lightweight scm (ffs) |
| 04:33.49 | brlcad | he runs a linux distro called tinyme, probably someone needed tkhtml for some package |
| 04:34.10 | starseeker | yukonbob: true |
| 04:34.15 | ``Erik | saw the tinyme, assumed that was the reason, thus the 'just wants it to work' comment way earlier, srry if'n ah waren't clear |
| 04:35.03 | brlcad | so it's an option if fossil flops |
| 04:35.34 | ``Erik | is it worth adopting and pointing to fossil, to avoid any confusion? |
| 04:35.45 | yukonbob | anyway -- *I* like fossil (back to original discussion) and I bet you would too if you took a deeper look at it, and perhaps had a chat w/ drh -- no question git is cool too, and my previous notes (portablity, diffcult interface, tonnes of binaries) may not even apply now -- it's been a while since I've taken a close look at it... |
| 04:36.20 | brlcad | not too worried about it, its just a minor dependency distraction at best |
| 04:36.26 | yukonbob | I'm sure git is "winning" on the installation-front (i.e. more projects hosted by git) as far as dscm's go... |
| 04:36.47 | ``Erik | git has annoyed me every time I've used it (as an anonymous co/up)... darcs, cvs and svn are all less... annoying |
| 04:37.16 | ``Erik | I don't see mercurial in my 'make this sane' scripts |
| 04:37.43 | brlcad | fossil as documented sounds just fine -- my main concern for something major are the same as I had with SVN |
| 04:37.44 | yukonbob | ^--- what does this mean? It's already sane, or too insane to bother putting in your scripts? |
| 04:37.52 | brlcad | just that it's relatively new and unproven |
| 04:38.05 | brlcad | every code has bugs, and having one in your scm can be deadly |
| 04:38.11 | ``Erik | no, none of my mirrors use hg |
| 04:38.42 | yukonbob | brlcad: drh has subjected it to quite a bit of rigour wrt design, and I'll bet tests... to which he's certainly not a stranger... the strength of sqlite is it's _massive_ test sutie. |
| 04:38.46 | yukonbob | *suite |
| 04:38.59 | brlcad | that can be said of most codes |
| 04:39.13 | ``Erik | I have a slew of lisp 'libraries' that I pull straight from vcs, with scripts and makefiles to automate as much as possible.. I do a "make update-all" at the toplevel and it goes |
| 04:39.18 | brlcad | not quite the same as having orders of magnitude of additional eyes and projects stressing every corner case |
| 04:39.19 | yukonbob | brlcad: I believe it's actually also driven by a client request, though I'm not sure details; might be interesting. |
| 04:40.08 | brlcad | it's not like adopting an editor and it being okay if it crashes only one out of a thousand times |
| 04:40.16 | brlcad | or even one out of a million |
| 04:40.17 | yukonbob | brlcad: no, it's different, to be sure, but drh still writes tonnes of tests, and has some interesting talked avail online about methods for writing such tests, including coding consideration, etc. He's a confidence inspiring guy. |
| 04:40.51 | yukonbob | he figures the repos are intrinsicly uncorruptable. |
| 04:40.51 | brlcad | that's faith-based confidence, which has little value with me ;) |
| 04:41.01 | yukonbob | it is. |
| 04:41.05 | ``Erik | heh |
| 04:41.07 | ``Erik | jobs aura? |
| 04:41.09 | yukonbob | you'd have to review the code yourself |
| 04:41.26 | brlcad | code reviews are mildly useless |
| 04:41.37 | yukonbob | quits advocating. |
| 04:41.39 | brlcad | for the level of obscure bugs I'm referring to |
| 04:41.58 | starseeker | yukonbob: we're probably going to go with the fossil repo to start |
| 04:42.24 | brlcad | 3rd party independent testing getting hundreds of varied projects using it without flaw, seeing reported defects slow/disappear |
| 04:42.25 | ``Erik | personally, I still think cvs is the shizzle forizzle :) sucks for binary objects, but is more than ready for text material, provided your developers have a mediocum of self control |
| 04:42.29 | brlcad | yeah, I don't care about tkhtml :) .. we can use it for that :) |
| 04:42.44 | brlcad | cvs is one of the most hardened scm's for all it's problems |
| 04:43.28 | ``Erik | if you commit, rm, add, commit with msg of to/from... it's all good |
| 04:44.15 | ``Erik | has not been above mv'ing files in the repo itself at all times, though :( |
| 04:44.50 | brlcad | when you only have 1000 users, a 1-in-a-million unrecoverable bug is practically undetectable; when you have ten million users, a 1-in-a-million bug is probably going to get identified |
| 04:44.53 | ``Erik | or committing acts of admin -o |
| 04:45.13 | starseeker | yukonbob: the idea is to have tkhtml be a tcl/tk community project, not a BRL-CAD project - we just need to get the pump primed again ;-) |
| 04:45.30 | yukonbob | ah... |
| 04:45.37 | starseeker | so if the tcl/tk community is good with it, no problem |
| 04:45.47 | ``Erik | how enamored is the tcl/tk community with fossil? |
| 04:45.51 | starseeker | we maintain our own copy in svn anyway :-) |
| 04:46.03 | starseeker | yeah, that's my question too |
| 04:46.09 | starseeker | if they're ok with it, it's good |
| 04:46.14 | brlcad | doesn't really matter |
| 04:46.29 | brlcad | if it works, and is easy enough to use.. |
| 04:46.42 | brlcad | it's one less step to revive the project |
| 04:46.46 | ``Erik | brlcad: that's a functional attitude, not a social one |
| 04:47.01 | yukonbob | tkhtml is not a stranger to it, and that drh is part of the tcl/tk community (he's former tct, and sqlite was built originally as tcl extension) some may be more likely to use it, some certainly do, but the "community" are not zealots about it |
| 04:47.17 | starseeker | ``Erik: I think he means people probably won't worry about it too much |
| 04:47.23 | brlcad | absolutely |
| 04:47.30 | starseeker | lord knows I pull lisp code from all sorts of repos |
| 04:47.41 | ``Erik | yeh, lisp sucks like that |
| 04:47.48 | starseeker | (I have a script system similar to yours, from the sound of it - kinda cool :-) |
| 04:47.49 | ``Erik | everything but fossil (and mercurial) |
| 04:47.54 | brlcad | actually I mean I'm not going to worry about it too much .. this isn't a major problem being solved :) |
| 04:48.46 | brlcad | if it works without hassle, great .. it'll have one of the previous maintainer's blessing and continued involvement while still providing a public infrastructure where development can continue |
| 04:49.09 | starseeker | yukonbob: if we get people merging back their tkhtml3 fixes into the new "main tree" we'll call it a success |
| 04:49.16 | brlcad | the docs looked like it's pretty simple enough to use, and if I don't have to set it up, even better |
| 04:50.06 | yukonbob | the build generates a single binary, which acts as client/server, including http interface for webbrowser. |
| 04:50.26 | starseeker | um - which build? you mean hv3? |
| 04:50.42 | starseeker | or fossil? |
| 04:50.45 | yukonbob | oh -- I thought was talking still about fossil. |
| 04:50.48 | brlcad | most concerned about 1) getting access so we can grant other people access that are interested, 2) getting existing patches integrated, 3) getting a separation of hv3 and tkhtml3, 4) getting public infrastructure set up for easy patch/bug reporting, 5) getting a new releae posted |
| 04:50.49 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 04:51.15 | ``Erik | fossil has a tarball download feature, right? (asking with my port maintainer hat on) |
| 04:51.29 | yukonbob | .zip |
| 04:51.38 | starseeker | ``Erik: wouldn't a release tarball do fine? |
| 04:52.06 | brlcad | thinks this is a dead horse and gets back to doing something productive ;) |
| 04:52.08 | starseeker | talcite will probably need one for Fedora |
| 04:52.10 | ``Erik | yes, the fossil website provides for a static link of SOME kinda archive? |
| 04:52.25 | ``Erik | not vcs-only? |
| 04:52.27 | starseeker | brlcad: heh, sorry :-) |
| 04:52.35 | talcite | hmm? |
| 04:52.50 | yukonbob | ``Erik: .zip |
| 04:52.52 | starseeker | you'll want a release tarball of tkhtml for Fedora integration, yes? |
| 04:53.04 | yukonbob | heads to Real Problems too. |
| 04:53.08 | ``Erik | screw fedora, freebsd :) |
| 04:53.17 | starseeker | hehe |
| 04:53.22 | starseeker | anyway, we should be good |
| 04:53.29 | starseeker | is on vacation, heads to non-problems |
| 04:53.34 | ``Erik | if'n there's a static url that I can get a .tar.gz .tar.bz2 or .zip, it's all good |
| 04:53.58 | ``Erik | if not, I'll be a whiney bitch |
| 04:54.14 | starseeker | resists comments that would get his ass kicked next year... |
| 04:54.24 | brlcad | you'll just find some other reason to be a whiney bitch |
| 04:54.37 | ``Erik | :D |
| 04:55.10 | ``Erik | I'd LIKE to split tkhtml3 out of the fbsd port build and make it it's own port... |
| 04:55.46 | ``Erik | that anything in src/other/ has to compile irks me |
| 04:56.09 | starseeker | you and every other distro in existence... |
| 04:57.07 | starseeker | has flashbacks to the Great Gentoo Ebuild Debate... |
| 04:57.46 | brlcad | wants to rename the Utah Raster Toolkit |
| 04:58.00 | starseeker | what'd you have in mind? |
| 04:58.08 | brlcad | nothing as yet |
| 04:58.22 | brlcad | there's the URT toolset and librle/libutahrle |
| 04:58.32 | ``Erik | starseeker: I'm from the fbsd camp... we do things RIGHT, y'all can follow along ;> |
| 04:58.34 | talcite | zip is fine. I can package that |
| 04:58.37 | starseeker | thinks renaming is a good idea |
| 04:58.39 | brlcad | librle works well for that portion |
| 04:58.50 | brlcad | URT is the harder part |
| 04:59.42 | brlcad | rletools |
| 04:59.58 | starseeker | gonna break it out into two separate trees? |
| 05:00.14 | brlcad | we needed to do that for our own purposes |
| 05:00.23 | brlcad | some repos also did similar |
| 05:00.23 | starseeker | ah, k |
| 05:26.03 | talcite | are we using only SCL or also EXPRESS, EXPRESS pretty printer, etc? |
| 05:28.25 | talcite | also, same question about InterViews, ObjectStore as well |
| 05:29.38 | brlcad | we use libexpress |
| 05:29.49 | brlcad | portions of SCL too iirc |
| 05:31.18 | talcite | so build SCL + express, but not IV/OS? |
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| 05:49.45 | talcite | man. SCL is a complete mess |
| 05:49.54 | talcite | calling configure compiles the program! |
| 05:51.34 | brlcad | oh are you working with their original tarball? |
| 05:51.52 | brlcad | there are a slew of build system tweaks it really needed |
| 05:58.38 | talcite | brlcad: ack. Really? Will these be made before release? |
| 05:58.51 | talcite | our release* |
| 05:59.13 | talcite | It's currently blowing up because of compiler name I think |
| 06:02.53 | talcite | blah. I'll look at this tomorrow. Head to sleep now. |
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| 12:38.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Start of updates to cleanup compile warnings including cleaned up of some |
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| 12:42.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r37062 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/src/clstepcore/ExpDict.h: Cleaned up CPP defs to quell compiler warning. |
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| 16:45.09 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.49 | ``Erik | 15 second load time, nifty |
| 16:47.25 | ``Erik | 13 that time, must be a nfs vs memory cached thing |
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| 17:24.42 | __monty__ | A bit late, but Happy Anniversary! |
| 17:25.19 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:25.26 | brlcad | thanks __ |
| 17:25.37 | brlcad | er, thanks __monty__ |
| 17:26.03 | __monty__ | Say, are you still working on the brl cad not working on mac thing? |
| 17:26.19 | brlcad | among other things, yes |
| 17:26.39 | __monty__ | Any progress? |
| 17:27.20 | brlcad | some but not ready for an updated test just yet |
| 17:27.41 | __monty__ | Ok. |
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| 21:46.01 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37066 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (4 files): update a few more overlooked iostreamers to be std:: namespace scoped. |
| 22:21.22 | brlcad | fixes the license on the tkhtml sf.net project |
| 23:03.34 | ``Erik | ah, so ya got r00tage |
| 23:17.34 | ``Erik | brlcad: indianlarry got a call and I didn't have an answer, if someone kills a tree, is there any chance to recoup the data from that file? (it was closed, but nothing else was changed after the kill) |
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| 23:31.22 | brlcad | yeah, I was talking to him about that |
| 23:32.33 | ``Erik | what's the situation at the moment? |
| 23:35.54 | brlcad | well what I'd told him and what I looked up are different |
| 23:36.37 | brlcad | or at least, clarified |
| 23:37.25 | brlcad | so short summary is that some of the data can be recouped, but probably not worth it |
| 23:37.43 | ``Erik | so they added you to the project, but are still listed as admins? was their interest clarified? |
| 23:37.58 | brlcad | you'd have to reconstruct the object type |
| 23:38.04 | ``Erik | wait, what you'd told who? did indianlarry get you about the data loss? |
| 23:38.08 | brlcad | and if it's a small object, it's gone, gets wiped out |
| 23:38.24 | brlcad | yeah, indianlarry and I talked briefly |
| 23:38.36 | ``Erik | ah, I figured that the objects would still be alive, but the names would be gone... it'd be like a lost+found full of inode # files |
| 23:38.37 | brlcad | I thought it was just a flag, but I'm seeing that it's not |
| 23:38.39 | ``Erik | where each file is a primitive |
| 23:38.58 | brlcad | we wipe out the object wrapper, replacing it with a deleted object stub |
| 23:39.18 | brlcad | which is basically like lost+found |
| 23:39.31 | brlcad | but the unfortunate trick is that's only for "large" objects |
| 23:39.37 | brlcad | bigger than a block |
| 23:39.51 | brlcad | so combs are gone gone, most implicit prims are gone |
| 23:40.28 | brlcad | you'd be able to extract binunifs, some BoTs, NMGs, etc |
| 23:40.34 | ``Erik | ah, I didn't think anything was really wiped other than name, it just went into an unused list for reallocation |
| 23:40.48 | ``Erik | fragmentation is a beeyotch |
| 23:41.20 | ``Erik | bob says we'll have undo in a few months, keith thought it was a solid argument for using a geometry server |
| 23:41.37 | brlcad | the "small" objects are small enough that they get wiped to save making extra I/O calls |
| 23:42.06 | brlcad | large are just stubbed similarly, to minimize the I/O with just two small calls instead of an arbitrary large call |
| 23:43.05 | ``Erik | hm, we should probably sort out undo before pushing hard on a new file format, carrying history between sessions could be handy |
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| 23:53.07 | brlcad | we probably could do deletions better, in a semi-recoverable fashion |
| 23:53.13 | brlcad | without breaking format even |
| 23:54.01 | ``Erik | yeh, but I think I like the notion of having a full undelete tree (not list) on opening a file |
| 23:54.04 | ``Erik | space be damned |
| 23:54.20 | ``Erik | mebbe a function or utility to purge history if desired |
| 23:54.27 | ``Erik | so folk can save space, or hide their shame |
| 23:54.39 | ``Erik | does emacs support undo trees? |
| 23:55.03 | ``Erik | vim has a feature where you can undelete a few times, do more edits, then go back down the history and choose which branch to follow for redos |
| 23:55.06 | brlcad | because deleted objects ultimately are just marked with a bit flag |
| 23:55.10 | brlcad | DB5HDR_HFLAGS_DLI_FREE_STORAGE |
| 23:55.21 | brlcad | that already exists |
| 23:55.25 | brlcad | garbage_collect |
| 23:55.50 | brlcad | that will collapse all free space, reclaim space |
| 23:55.54 | ``Erik | garbage collect compacts, but if we retain zomfg undo history in the file, that's an orthogenal issue I think |
| 23:56.03 | brlcad | ahh |
| 23:56.07 | brlcad | that sort of history |
| 23:56.58 | ``Erik | yeh, unless there's any valid concern, I'd advote being able to do a series of edits, quit mged, start mged and open the file and be able to undo down that history set |
| 23:57.33 | brlcad | emacs does a sort of circular linked list undo, where undos themselves are just added to the list so you can undo your undos and fully unwind/rewind |
| 23:57.47 | ``Erik | I would argue that file size isn't an issue until it becomes one, worrying about it now would be wasteful |
| 23:58.06 | ``Erik | yeh, so it doesn't grok branching |
| 23:58.37 | ``Erik | edit a, edit b, edit c, undo, undo, edit d, undo, redo a.... that's possible in vim as of 6.0 |
| 23:58.40 | ``Erik | I think it was 6.0 |
| 00:00.09 | brlcad | I can't say I've really had an issue with emacs undo, it's pretty nifty |
| 00:00.37 | brlcad | your example didn't make much since, you never undid a to redo a |
| 00:00.57 | ``Erik | oh, well, vim records undo trees, not undo lists |
| 00:01.06 | ``Erik | even if my example missed an undo |
| 00:01.46 | ``Erik | "redo b" |
| 00:01.47 | ``Erik | there |
| 00:01.58 | brlcad | not clear to me what that really means in the context of editing files |
| 00:02.41 | ``Erik | if you undo and change something else, either you throw away the 'redo' capability, or you require a tree of changes... vim changed to hold the tree |
| 00:02.53 | brlcad | that exact same list of actions is what emacs would do too |
| 00:04.25 | brlcad | again the trick being that an undo really just adds a new edit event which can itself still be undone |
| 00:04.59 | brlcad | basically lets you play back any/every action all the way back to the last save |
| 00:05.20 | brlcad | including undos and undos of undos and whatever intermediate actions |
| 00:05.24 | ``Erik | hm, I'm not good enough with emacs to have figured out how to use undo well |
| 00:05.44 | ``Erik | ^xu is what I used, I think |
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| 00:05.45 | brlcad | ctrl+shift+_ |
| 00:05.56 | ``Erik | or, uh, C-x u |
| 00:06.22 | brlcad | that's redo |
| 00:07.32 | brlcad | will play the actions back forward again (so say you undid every single action, you could redo everything to get back to where you were regardless of intermediate steps) |
| 00:08.05 | brlcad | pretty darn nifty |
| 00:09.08 | brlcad | sounds maybe like vim caught up with the same feature (but perhaps via diff implementation mechanism) |
| 00:10.07 | ``Erik | hrm, d'no *shrug* not versed enough in emacs to honestly compare 'em, even though I spent most of the day in emacs |
| 00:10.51 | ``Erik | my rough guess would be that understanding undo as a queued event is one thing, but still a lot more linear than going tree based |
| 00:11.57 | brlcad | wow, GSL is about a quarter million lines of code |
| 00:12.32 | ``Erik | http://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/ ? |
| 00:13.41 | brlcad | yep |
| 00:14.29 | brlcad | using their root solving to validate a change to our root solver |
| 00:15.04 | brlcad | last I compared, we get the same results as expected |
| 00:15.18 | brlcad | we were just a solid order of magnitude faster |
| 00:15.41 | ``Erik | what about mathematica or maple or something? |
| 00:15.54 | ``Erik | or writing one up in an absolute system, like scheme or haskell? |
| 00:16.03 | brlcad | what? |
| 00:16.05 | brlcad | what for? |
| 00:16.06 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:16.14 | brlcad | go for it |
| 00:16.18 | ``Erik | to see how bad the floating point fuzz hurts us |
| 00:16.33 | brlcad | i can't imagine mathematica being faster on basic root solving |
| 00:16.39 | ``Erik | no, not faster |
| 00:16.50 | ``Erik | but "more correct", perhaps |
| 00:17.07 | brlcad | though this is at a raw API level I was comparing -- how long to get roots for polynomial of various degree |
| 00:17.41 | brlcad | that was the diff, gsl would do arbitrary degree -- we were compile-time limited to a fixed degree |
| 00:17.53 | ``Erik | ah, aight :) |
| 00:18.07 | ``Erik | I might have some old code from college for root solving via various techniques |
| 00:18.10 | brlcad | i compared about a half-dozen solvers I found around the net |
| 00:18.20 | brlcad | some academic, few packages like gsl |
| 00:18.26 | ``Erik | I vagually recall writing a newtonian one in haskell that was ass slow, the scheme version was a few orders of magnitude faster |
| 00:18.35 | ``Erik | like, finished in minutes instead of not having an answer over the weekend |
| 00:18.48 | brlcad | I thought we were really slow, which is why I was looking |
| 00:18.50 | ``Erik | but single root solver, not general |
| 00:18.59 | brlcad | but turned out that we beat everything I could find and tested against |
| 00:19.19 | brlcad | one other implementation had about the same performance, within a couple percent |
| 00:19.34 | ``Erik | see, that's why I'm asking about correctness... it's easy to generate fast wrong answers... :D |
| 00:19.56 | brlcad | they were all correct answers |
| 00:20.08 | ``Erik | um, like the xkcd commit about random number generators... /* proven correct */ int random() { return 4; } |
| 00:20.09 | brlcad | or at least everyone produced the same results :P |
| 00:20.11 | ``Erik | :) |
| 00:20.15 | ``Erik | within? |
| 00:20.28 | brlcad | within floating point tol |
| 00:20.30 | brlcad | double tol |
| 00:20.35 | ``Erik | okie |
| 00:20.38 | ``Erik | cool beans |
| 00:20.40 | brlcad | close enough |
| 00:21.13 | brlcad | I'm sure there's still plenty of edge case or more extreme polynomials that our simple one can't solve |
| 00:21.53 | ``Erik | I did g-nmg on a file that produces a .g which crashes on dirbuild, any insight? |
| 00:22.13 | brlcad | insight #1: fix it |
| 00:22.20 | brlcad | insight #2: don't do that |
| 00:22.24 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 00:22.53 | ``Erik | g-nmg -o file-nmg.g file.g toplevel <-- gives a fruity .g file! :D |
| 00:22.54 | brlcad | is full of insightful comments |
| 00:23.25 | brlcad | did g-nmg say it went to completion? |
| 00:23.29 | ``Erik | yup |
| 00:23.35 | ``Erik | it was a big file |
| 00:23.56 | ``Erik | was to come up with a faster loading demo for isst, so you know the file |
| 00:24.19 | ``Erik | I did manage up a 200k face m35 for demoing |
| 00:24.24 | brlcad | my guess would be that some intermediate object failed, but is still referenced -- and dirbuild has some bad juju that assumes the missing object should be there and bites the dust |
| 00:24.54 | brlcad | definitely something to fix in dirbuild |
| 00:25.27 | ``Erik | still at the office? I can tell ya where the criminal .g file is |
| 00:25.45 | ``Erik | can also point you to a .g file that flips out because every effin' matrix is all 0's heh |
| 00:25.58 | brlcad | don't wanna look at it at the moment, or i'll be here till midnight |
| 00:26.07 | ``Erik | or I can bitch at ya for those sun machines |
| 00:26.18 | brlcad | matrix of 0's is probably endian |
| 00:26.30 | brlcad | dirbuild succeeds, but all the floats are hozerd |
| 00:26.31 | ``Erik | v5 db |
| 00:26.46 | brlcad | a v5 from an upgraded v4, upgraded on the wrong plat |
| 00:27.03 | ``Erik | *shrug* perhaps |
| 00:27.13 | ``Erik | trying to remember where I pulled it up last |
| 00:27.39 | ``Erik | it's a simple r/c plane, small model |
| 00:29.50 | brlcad | a good bit of cleanup on the step code.. cut the warnings at least in half I think |
| 00:30.02 | ``Erik | depends on the compiler |
| 00:30.05 | brlcad | wonders what all the "will never be executed" warnings are all about |
| 00:30.18 | ``Erik | ExpDir.h was the majority of warnings for my bsd build |
| 00:31.38 | brlcad | looks like most of those execution warnings are on object constructors.. |
| 00:33.32 | brlcad | tries a sick test |
| 00:34.43 | brlcad | wow, he already did |
| 00:35.51 | brlcad | ~seen madant |
| 00:35.52 | ibot | madant <i=cb7baf0f@gateway/web/freenode/x-a32eed164597bd06> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 179d 4h 13m 58s ago, saying: 'nothing more disastrous than non-cooperative softwares ;)'. |
| 00:35.59 | brlcad | ~seen homovulgaris |
| 00:36.00 | ibot | homovulgaris <n=d@117.196.131.215> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 505d 20h 43m 29s ago, saying: 'sean, on a scale of 1 to 10 how much trouble would one face when trying to make a .deb package for brlcad ?'. |
| 00:36.05 | brlcad | hrmph |
| 00:36.33 | brlcad | he really did a nice piece of work fixing our root solver parameters |
| 00:36.44 | brlcad | they were all in reverse order, he flipped them right |
| 00:37.02 | brlcad | and he wrote a little test harness that compares to gsl results |
| 00:37.08 | brlcad | showing the diff |
| 00:38.36 | ``Erik | and lets home gsl isn't flawed O.o :D |
| 00:38.39 | brlcad | http://paste.bzflag.bz/m4050e32c |
| 01:19.23 | brlcad | looks like gsl has improved, only about 5% slower now (very consistently) |
| 01:20.19 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.08 | ``Erik | heheheheheheheh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bs_Lk5iQzc :D always makes me smile |
| 01:53.58 | starseeker | brlcad: that mean the patch with coefficient changes is good to go in? |
| 01:54.24 | brlcad | starseeker: it looks like it, still testing |
| 01:54.30 | starseeker | sweeet |
| 01:54.32 | brlcad | i'll commit, it needed a few minor tweaks |
| 01:54.38 | starseeker | cool |
| 01:54.40 | brlcad | but in all, nice work |
| 01:54.53 | starseeker | is stuck in windoze land anyhow til next year... |
| 01:55.15 | brlcad | the gsl comparison is the best part, but alas .. :) |
| 01:55.21 | brlcad | maybe keep the test harness code as example |
| 01:55.53 | starseeker | nods - maybe have it as an optional part of the regression testing? |
| 01:56.15 | brlcad | the testing to link against gsl is too peripheral |
| 01:56.19 | starseeker | or even some special "make rootcompare" test? |
| 01:56.21 | starseeker | ah |
| 01:57.13 | brlcad | unless... |
| 01:57.29 | brlcad | i make it an option in our solver itself to use gsl as an alternative impl |
| 01:57.37 | brlcad | could be interesting |
| 01:57.41 | starseeker | hmm - that could be cool |
| 01:57.48 | ``Erik | compile time? or? |
| 01:57.59 | brlcad | yep |
| 01:58.09 | ``Erik | 'k, branches are insanely expensive on modern x86 |
| 01:58.33 | ``Erik | we're at what, twenty something deep on the pipeline? |
| 01:59.09 | brlcad | starseeker: did you have a good tgc failure test case handy? |
| 01:59.24 | brlcad | i know there's tire's eto's, they could be tested |
| 02:00.06 | brlcad | lots of complete episodes .. :) |
| 02:00.56 | ``Erik | do we have an m35 with 'good' tires on it? I did a g-nmg on it with 200k triangles in the output, loads up fast in isst and looks pretty decent, but the tires look odd |
| 02:01.39 | ``Erik | and tires should give me lots of triangles in a cheap kd-tree :D |
| 02:02.25 | starseeker | brlcad: havoc has that tgc that's giving rtgl fits, but I didn't isolate it yet |
| 02:03.10 | starseeker | ``Erik: you probably don't want to tesselate one with tire tool tires - iirc the last time we tesselated those it was... um... interesting |
| 02:03.54 | ``Erik | interesting how? I'd imagine it'd be brutal on the nmg csg shtuff, but the results should be clean |
| 02:03.58 | starseeker | brlcad eventually got one when we turned the tread off |
| 02:04.16 | starseeker | took quite a while |
| 02:04.22 | ``Erik | ah, hrm |
| 02:04.56 | starseeker | it's a torture test for the tesselatorer |
| 02:05.19 | ``Erik | damn |
| 02:05.28 | ``Erik | :/ I might have to spend time on tha tmarching cubes crap |
| 02:06.33 | starseeker | extruded sketches interesected with combinations based on etos... |
| 02:07.39 | ``Erik | sounds like a great test case for bug fixing |
| 02:07.52 | ``Erik | is still waiting for brlcad to give him obj files to test obj-g and make that work |
| 02:08.08 | starseeker | can blender generate them? |
| 02:08.30 | starseeker | or wings3d? |
| 02:09.16 | ``Erik | obj files? I'd imagine so... I have a test set, but I'm only going to finish up a subset, brlcad made it sound like he had 'real world' models he wanted converted, so I was hoping to see what subset of functionality from that |
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| 02:13.07 | starseeker | should fix that geometry duplication in the tire tool output - that might be making the tesselation unduly difficult |
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| 02:33.12 | starseeker | wishes he had that graphviz visualization of the tire tree... |
| 02:35.55 | starseeker | ``Erik: how come the tire command on the bz install of BRL-CAD can't find libtcl? |
| 02:40.53 | ``Erik | hte old bz, or the new bz? |
| 02:40.57 | starseeker | old |
| 02:41.07 | starseeker | ``Erik: how does one get to the new bz? |
| 02:41.12 | ``Erik | cuz it's an ancient piece of shit that needs to be killed? |
| 02:41.23 | starseeker | ``Erik: ah |
| 02:41.42 | ``Erik | no, seriously, it was out of date over 5 years ago |
| 02:44.49 | Nohla | starseeker hello, little prince :) |
| 02:44.56 | starseeker | hola! |
| 02:45.52 | starseeker | note to self - REALLY need to make a smaller version of the tire poster... |
| 02:46.02 | starseeker | redo in inkscape if I have to... |
| 02:46.59 | starseeker | or see if the version of ghostscript on my gentoo box has learned any new tricks... |
| 02:48.44 | ``Erik | you have the photoshop version? it can be saved as a pdf in 'preview' |
| 02:49.00 | starseeker | oh, have pdf |
| 02:49.19 | starseeker | Apple's desktop publishing software was the original generator |
| 02:49.55 | ``Erik | pdf is pretty squished... |
| 02:50.04 | starseeker | probably had images too big |
| 02:57.01 | ``Erik | "save as png"? |
| 02:58.22 | ``Erik | grumbles as his lisp markov 'disassociated text' has some funky issues with new nodes not being created quite right |
| 02:59.43 | ``Erik | it was all disgustingly easy until the recursive call to generate the dictionary ate a wrong type, and now it's hard figure out why *grumble* is assoc not doing what the docs say? |
| 03:00.46 | starseeker | who's fault is it? sbcl? |
| 03:00.53 | ``Erik | well |
| 03:01.40 | ``Erik | (setf (cadr d) (acons (pair l) '(()()) (cadr d))) |
| 03:02.22 | ``Erik | (add-dictionary-word (assoc (pair l) (cadr d)) l 0) |
| 03:02.35 | ``Erik | that assoc keeps coming up with nil, when it shoulda just been defined |
| 03:03.28 | ``Erik | using sbcl, yes... but assoc should just work, I'm not sure if I'm feeding it wrong |
| 03:04.18 | ``Erik | I'm sure I'm making a stupid mistake, but I've thrashed all over :/ |
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| 03:05.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: I take it #lisp would just be insulting? |
| 03:06.22 | ``Erik | I'm not feeling up to snuff to defend myself at the moment... I don't think I've put enough time/thought to it |
| 03:06.42 | ``Erik | <-- notes that he's grumbling here, not asking for help :D |
| 03:07.56 | ``Erik | there's a lisp weirdness where something like '(() ()) comes up as '() in some cases |
| 03:08.07 | ``Erik | I might just need to use a dummy symbol to expand teh lists |
| 03:09.07 | starseeker | ah |
| 03:09.12 | ``Erik | <-- is fighting emacs as much as lisp... gave up on gui emacs and started using -nw this afternoon, coudln't get a nice black background |
| 03:09.50 | ``Erik | y'know, when I wasn't reading webcomics or yelling at indianlarry for breaking teh build :) |
| 03:10.45 | ``Erik | (it's on my idp, damnit.) |
| 03:11.12 | starseeker | problem lives somewhere around tire.c:1371 |
| 03:11.21 | starseeker | tire-upper-sides definitions |
| 03:14.43 | ``Erik | with the duplicated geometry? |
| 03:15.04 | starseeker | yes |
| 03:15.36 | starseeker | getting three instances of EllClip when there appear to be only two mk_addmember calls |
| 03:15.41 | ``Erik | starseeker: do any of your cats have an object they're obsessed with dragging around? |
| 03:17.40 | starseeker | she likes her blue sparkly ball, but she's not terribly obsessed with it |
| 03:17.55 | starseeker | usually doesn't carry anything with her |
| 03:18.29 | ``Erik | ah, I have a furry cat fishing pole, the boy needs to drag his 'kill' all over the place |
| 03:18.31 | starseeker | ``Erik: when's the last update to BRL-CAD on the new server? |
| 03:18.58 | starseeker | can't gdb this sucker very well... |
| 03:19.04 | ``Erik | um, /usr/brlcad is an svn from a week or two ago, /usr/local/brlcad is like 7.14.smomething |
| 03:19.13 | starseeker | hmm |
| 03:19.14 | starseeker | ok |
| 03:19.38 | ``Erik | feel free to build your own :) |
| 03:19.51 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, she'll "kill" her catnip pillow sometimes |
| 03:20.26 | ``Erik | I keep putting this thing in the living room downstairs, it keeps ending up in my bed O.o |
| 03:20.33 | starseeker | hehe |
| 03:21.17 | ``Erik | updating /usr/brlcad/HEAD with a fresh checkout now |
| 03:21.32 | starseeker | will have to step through this to figure out why the frap the boolean logic is odd... |
| 03:22.39 | starseeker | may have to wait til I have better setup (sorry ``Erik :/) |
| 03:23.14 | ``Erik | *shrug* ain't no skin off my nose |
| 03:23.15 | starseeker | I'm not real sure why the standard m35 tires are hozed |
| 03:23.21 | starseeker | they shouldn't be |
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| 03:23.24 | ``Erik | hozed? |
| 03:23.34 | ``Erik | the m35 tires convert just fine, they're just ... boring |
| 03:23.41 | starseeker | when Nick did his rtgl stuff, one side of the m35 tires didn't raytrace right |
| 03:23.51 | starseeker | might not actually be the fault of the tires though |
| 03:23.57 | starseeker | oh, OK ;-) |
| 03:24.33 | starseeker | did do an m35 with fancy tires, but I think the "correct" size looked kinda puny |
| 03:24.40 | ``Erik | I was figuring that procdb tires would look a lot better and provide a lot mroe triangles without any signicant deepening of the kd-tree |
| 03:24.49 | starseeker | bigger ones overlaped, which I could ignore for screenshots but isst would kinda care |
| 03:25.07 | ``Erik | and I'd recalled seeing and m35 with 2 tires replaces, so'z I was wondering if there was one with all 11 or whatever redone |
| 03:25.23 | starseeker | true, although the tires have some tree depth (4 or 5 levels, forget offhand) |
| 03:25.34 | ``Erik | (2+8+1, right?) |
| 03:25.51 | starseeker | yeah, I had done it once, but I don't know if I ever got it "right" in the overlap free sense |
| 03:25.53 | ``Erik | I doubt we're talking the same trees |
| 03:26.03 | starseeker | probably not |
| 03:26.12 | starseeker | is talkin csg tree |
| 03:26.22 | ``Erik | libtie kdtree's would fluff maybe a dozen or two in the tire areas |
| 03:26.33 | starseeker | sh |
| 03:26.35 | starseeker | er ah |
| 03:26.47 | ``Erik | kd-tree's are axis aligned binary splitting plane trees |
| 03:27.23 | starseeker | I think the "right" way to do that is to generate tires without wheels and then sub in for just the "rubber" part - should be able to minimize/avoid overlaps that way |
| 03:27.39 | starseeker | the m35 wheel is rather different from the tire tool's default wheel |
| 03:27.46 | ``Erik | the wheels you defined are very not military style |
| 03:28.06 | starseeker | yeah, was just doing something "quick and dirty" |
| 03:28.27 | ``Erik | heh, too much "pretty", not enough "quick and dirty" :D |
| 03:28.39 | starseeker | lots of fun that could be had with that tool, given time |
| 03:29.04 | ``Erik | I can give you a pretty correct rim for a stryker or hummer, they're utterly boring |
| 03:29.17 | ``Erik | the most excitement is hidden by the rubber on 'em |
| 03:29.27 | starseeker | ``Erik: <snort> the whole thing was an exercise in "doing a proc-db", just like the pen model was "learning mged" - establishing early on my obsession with unnecessary detail ;-) |
| 03:29.36 | ``Erik | y'know |
| 03:29.47 | ``Erik | one of these days, I'll do something like the pen exercise O.o |
| 03:30.04 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, for most real applications tire without wheel is probably how that will get used - most people have purty wheels of their own |
| 03:30.25 | ``Erik | <-- came in and was sat down with a machine, an os disc and a source disc... told "port this to fbsd 5.1, then convert it to autotools" |
| 03:30.41 | starseeker | ``Erik: what, you learn mged? Let me know when you do so I can pre-book skating tickets for hell |
| 03:30.45 | ``Erik | never had a "learn how to model" phase |
| 03:30.58 | starseeker | or you could wait til MGED 2.0 I suppose... |
| 03:31.16 | ``Erik | no, seriously, I wasn't allowed on the network, so I got a throw-away machine, os disc and a cd with the source on it... |
| 03:31.23 | ``Erik | and parked in a room |
| 03:31.29 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 03:31.29 | ``Erik | next to mike |
| 03:32.03 | ``Erik | first day, "here's a mchine, here's an OS disc, here's the source... port it." |
| 03:32.13 | starseeker | hehe |
| 03:32.23 | starseeker | yeah, I came in a lot dumber :-P |
| 03:32.30 | starseeker | had to get up to speed |
| 03:33.01 | ``Erik | I had bsd chops and auto* chops, but I did an awful lot of asking people to test what I'd done to see if I'd done it right... |
| 03:33.09 | ``Erik | e.e. was one of my primary victems |
| 03:33.25 | ``Erik | "bubba" |
| 03:33.49 | ``Erik | and you came in knowing a lot more about BRL-CAD than I did |
| 03:34.16 | ``Erik | they were nice to you :D |
| 03:34.17 | starseeker | well, the coding/automake chops let you start doing "useful work" pronto |
| 03:34.29 | starseeker | heh |
| 03:35.18 | ``Erik | auto* was a "possible way to go" at the time, not a guaranteed thing, it was very much cake |
| 03:35.44 | starseeker | well, it sure worked out in the end :-) |
| 03:37.46 | ``Erik | I put a lot of work into it, then brlcad went and did horrible horrible things to my baby |
| 03:37.57 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:37.59 | ``Erik | and now it's a frankenstein monster :D |
| 03:38.05 | brlcad | now it's complete |
| 03:38.29 | starseeker | so the docbook stuff is just the icing on the cake in frankensteinian terms? :-P |
| 03:38.36 | ``Erik | um, I think the tag exists in svn, something liek AUTOCONF_200311XX |
| 03:39.15 | ``Erik | so when's the old crud on brlcad.org migrating to crit, brlcad? :) |
| 03:40.30 | starseeker | brlcad: I haven't had a chance to test it - did adding the mkdir commands to the docbook build rules avoid that issue on highly parallel docbook builds? |
| 03:41.20 | brlcad | starseeker: dunno |
| 03:41.33 | starseeker | ah, k - have to check when I get back in |
| 03:41.50 | ``Erik | 20031203 |
| 03:42.02 | ``Erik | wow,w as much simpler back then, configure.in was 225 lines |
| 03:42.02 | starseeker | also needs to check if the 3dm-g tool got busted by the opennurbs upgrade... |
| 03:44.41 | starseeker | also need to figure out how to enable the tk framebuffer without killing mged... still not sure why that's happening |
| 03:45.10 | starseeker | kinda hard to figure out how complete it is when it takes out the whole gui :-( |
| 03:45.46 | starseeker | notes more SIGGRAPH spam has arrived... |
| 04:12.05 | starseeker | hrm - build fails |
| 04:13.27 | starseeker | GlobalUnitAssignedContext.cpp:27 in SdaiCONFIG_CONTROL_DESIGN.h:2534 error expected "," or "..." before '&' token |
| 04:14.06 | starseeker | calls it a night |
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| 04:50.51 | brlcad | no /me doesn't get that error |
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| 11:42.30 | ``Erik | dang, yet more tkhtml3 breakage |
| 12:22.01 | ``Erik | (apparently, tclsh isn't always named tclsh, sometimes it's tclsh85) |
| 13:07.15 | ``Erik | ßs hrm http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1926917 |
| 14:41.41 | d-lo_ | ``Erik: Sent you an email at your gmail and bzflag.bz accounts. |
| 14:42.18 | ``Erik | thanks |
| 15:01.38 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37067 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/ (bot.c g_bot_include.c): make RT_BOT_UNORIENTED_NORM() macro take the in/out 'param' as a bool for indicating exit instead of toggling on positive/negative. also nix the RT_ prefix as this is not public api. |
| 15:41.35 | brlcad | haha... http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1735402 (nsfw, but just because of language) |
| 15:42.03 | brlcad | that's classic b'more |
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| 16:13.56 | ``Erik | oh, the car commercial, yeh :D |
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| 16:21.46 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r37068 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): more warning quellage, also pushed back mods to fedex_plus generated code |
| 16:47.15 | d-lo_ | that whole FEDEX thing in the step code throws me off every time I see it. lol |
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| 18:18.15 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37069 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/bot.c: quell verbose warnings. there were two exact floating point comparisons in here, so potential behavior change (i.e., hopefully more robust/consistent). |
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| 19:02.33 | ``Erik | heh, I used to work at FedEx, so imagine what it does to me :D |
| 19:07.31 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37070 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (6 files in 3 dirs): more slews of quellage and cleanup, dead code elimination, exact floating point comparisons, and param checking |
| 19:24.15 | brlcad | mm, the problem was exactly what bob and I speculated last night |
| 19:24.29 | brlcad | looks like windows is being harsh on the tclIndx generation, at least more strict |
| 19:24.36 | brlcad | and not indexing some files |
| 19:25.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37071 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/ (adrt/adrt.vcproj brlcad/brlcad.sln): add adrt to brlcad project |
| 19:31.03 | ``Erik | Yes. I broke it. Real bad. |
| 19:32.34 | ``Erik | and msvc has been 'not responding' for like fifteen minutes, so *shrug* |
| 19:59.39 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37072 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: too vague a bug, msvc build files have changed drastically since then anyways |
| 20:02.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37073 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 20:02.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: mged on windows is not generating the tclindex files correctly. could be a |
| 20:02.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: simple parsing error or some other problem in the code bug a variety of files |
| 20:02.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: aren't getting indexed (notably the pattern tool and sketch editor but also some |
| 20:02.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: simple commands like bot and per_line. |
| 20:16.16 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37074 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bspline/ (10 files): quell all of the old nurbs code verbse warnings safe for one bogus unreachable code warning on a goto label. lots and lots of exact floating point comparisons.. should be more robust now even if it is going away rsn. |
| 20:17.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37075 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: reported that fbclear is not working on windows build of mged. |
| 20:31.11 | ``Erik | òò/cl |
| 20:32.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37076 10/brlcad/trunk/include/opennurbs_ext.h: unused quellage |
| 20:34.04 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37077 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add a bu_list parameter so we can make rt_nurb_intersect get called recursively when surfaces are split. this is an alternative to the former goto method and quells an unreachable warning. |
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| 20:44.15 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37078 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/dsp/dsp.c: quell verbose dsp warnings. lots and lots of exact floating point comparisons to zero and one changed to within tol tests. |
| 20:44.49 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37079 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (cline/cline.c dsp/dsp_brep.cpp): more param and unused var quelling, s/log/logstr/ too |
| 20:46.36 | ``Erik | hehehe http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=36099539665548298 |
| 20:55.08 | brlcad | that's an oldie |
| 21:08.22 | ``Erik | src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_rt_isect.c:1936: error: too few arguments to function 'rt_nurb_intersect' |
| 21:08.36 | ``Erik | forget to commit something? |
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| 21:29.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37080 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_rt_isect.c: blechk! nmg cross-pollution with the old nurbs code.. rt_nurb_intersect() had another param added. |
| 21:29.33 | brlcad | not reading your commit diffs, eh? |
| 21:29.51 | ``Erik | mine? huh? |
| 21:30.42 | brlcad | nvr mind |
| 21:40.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r37081 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/iges/trimsurf.c: add missing parameter |
| 21:41.55 | brlcad | wow |
| 21:41.56 | brlcad | that's just wrong |
| 21:42.10 | ``Erik | what, did I break something horrible? |
| 21:42.12 | brlcad | iges converter is actually shooting rays at nurbs |
| 21:42.23 | ``Erik | oh, heh |
| 21:42.40 | brlcad | what you did is fine |
| 21:42.45 | ``Erik | <-- just did a monkey mimic of your patch to that file, didn't bother, y'know, looking |
| 21:42.47 | brlcad | the fact that the iges converter is doing that.... |
| 21:43.02 | brlcad | that any code is calling that nurb internal routine |
| 21:43.07 | ``Erik | so wasn't sure if I screwed that up :) |
| 21:43.12 | brlcad | nah |
| 21:43.51 | brlcad | i'm still on strict build, so can't build through to get to any latent callers |
| 21:44.27 | ``Erik | so build out of dir and have two builds, one strict and one not :D |
| 21:48.15 | brlcad | this is already so utterly painfully tedious as it is to make it twice as painful |
| 21:48.41 | brlcad | all to prevent the 1/100 chance that there's some triviality later in the build |
| 21:50.59 | brlcad | it's also not like anyone else is jumping in to help get these all taken care of more quickly either :P |
| 22:00.40 | ``Erik | yeah, damn shame about that :D |
| 22:03.49 | ``Erik | rt_bot_tess() *sigh* why didn't I think of that earlier? |
| 22:06.57 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37082 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (8 files in 6 dirs): mas quellerismos, floating point comparisons, unused vars/params |
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| 23:39.00 | brlcad | mm.. this should be interesting |
| 23:39.06 | brlcad | floating point comparisons in nmg |
| 23:39.28 | ``Erik | heh, um, have fun with that :D *duck* |
| 23:39.45 | ``Erik | nmg's already raytrace arse slow |
| 23:40.05 | brlcad | there are in boolean evaluation, should help |
| 23:40.37 | ``Erik | y'know, I"ve seen geometry errors thrown on nmg tesselation... |
| 23:40.45 | ``Erik | starting with facet type nmg's... |
| 23:41.16 | ``Erik | I'm not sure if I'm willing to commit the time to chase that just yet, I have other pressing issues to worry about |
| 23:41.38 | ``Erik | but, ... yeah, wtfage :) |
| 23:41.51 | brlcad | geometry errors on nmg tess are normal |
| 23:42.02 | brlcad | part of it guessing which paths to take |
| 23:42.22 | ``Erik | soooo, nmg->nmg is expected to fail? |
| 23:42.24 | brlcad | non-facet nmgs are no longer relevant |
| 23:42.36 | ``Erik | right, but still listed as a flag |
| 23:42.41 | ``Erik | and used in some bits |
| 23:42.42 | brlcad | nmg->nmg could fail depending how the original nmg was created |
| 23:42.47 | ``Erik | g-nmg |
| 23:42.50 | brlcad | if it wasn't validated |
| 23:43.17 | brlcad | that's so high level as to be non-sensical to ask .. |
| 23:43.29 | brlcad | too many variables |
| 23:43.32 | brlcad | above regions, below regions |
| 23:43.34 | brlcad | combs, prims |
| 23:43.56 | brlcad | is it combining regions or leaving them as separate shels |
| 23:44.00 | ``Erik | g-nmg likes to convert a region to a single nmg and attach that as a single object under the region |
| 23:44.25 | ``Erik | (EXACTLY what my 'recursive facetizer' card does... can kill that from Ed's wall) |
| 23:44.40 | brlcad | right, but how you were running it changes things too -- you feed it something under a region, for example, or something with a mixed hierarchy where there are paths that are regionless, etc |
| 23:45.06 | ``Erik | hm, saw it on m35 |
| 23:45.21 | brlcad | just saying it's way to vague a notion to say anything meaningful, way too many variables unaccounted for |
| 23:45.30 | brlcad | can't even say it's clean input |
| 23:45.39 | ``Erik | I'll look into it a bit when I'm in the office tomorrie |
| 23:45.53 | brlcad | m35 has problems |
| 23:45.59 | brlcad | whether they matter or not.. dunno |
| 23:46.11 | brlcad | it's gone both ways in the past |
| 23:46.36 | ``Erik | either way, there are issues to be addressed wrt... |
| 23:47.15 | ``Erik | if our reference geometry is screwed up, that's bad... if our tools produce bad output... that's bad :) |
| 23:47.52 | brlcad | I think the problem has to be brought back down to basic test cases, make sure primitives all tessellate (which they won't) .. then 0-level combinations |
| 23:48.36 | ``Erik | I have a well tesselated m35 (10x better than default tolerance), if it's useful... had one going where the side mirrors gave 200k triangles, killed it :/ |
| 23:49.05 | ``Erik | on the up side, these issues are giving me impetus to do the marching cubes thang |
| 23:49.24 | ``Erik | "cuz lee said" kinda deflated me |
| 23:49.31 | brlcad | g-nmg producing a bad nmg just isn't a good measure of anything -- if it did something wrong, could be a simple bug isolated to that specific tool or the tess approach it uses |
| 23:50.10 | ``Erik | the tool itself is too trivial to break |
| 23:50.19 | brlcad | the approach most of those use isn't so hot |
| 23:50.24 | ``Erik | too small to fail :D |
| 23:50.26 | brlcad | I opted for a slightly diff approach for the ef work |
| 23:50.31 | ``Erik | ef? |
| 23:50.31 | brlcad | more robust |
| 23:50.57 | brlcad | endgame |
| 23:51.03 | ``Erik | ah |
| 23:51.30 | ``Erik | I thought our contribution to their federation was more "give us a geometry name and ray, we give you a prtition list"? |
| 23:51.41 | brlcad | nothing reusable code-wise, but just a note that the approach they use now isn't consistent across the exporters |
| 23:51.47 | ``Erik | well, no, they do ogl visualization, ya had to gie them triangels |
| 23:51.54 | ``Erik | had to give them triangles |
| 23:52.04 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 0367.232.178.197 07http://brlcad.org * r2055 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_eac: |
| 23:52.13 | brlcad | not at all, did a geometry exporter -- basically .g to their format |
| 23:52.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 0367.232.178.197 07http://brlcad.org * r2056 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_whichair: |
| 23:52.17 | brlcad | which was poly |
| 23:52.31 | ``Erik | ok, so an exporter, not a federation entity |
| 23:59.46 | brlcad | oh wow |
| 23:59.50 | brlcad | the code is still in there... |
| 00:00.11 | brlcad | there's debug code in nmg that supposedly will animate the boolean evaluation as it proceeds... |
| 00:01.14 | brlcad | i'd seen a mid-90's video of it in action, but didn't realize it wasn't a temp hack |
| 00:01.32 | brlcad | huh |
| 00:01.40 | brlcad | something to poke at later |
| 00:02.11 | brlcad | rt_g.NMG_debug => DEBUG_PL_ANIM flag |
| 00:30.57 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 02:27.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37085 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/ (14 files in 8 dirs): major quellage, dead code elimination, unused params/vars, exact floating point comparisons. |
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| 03:24.04 | Ralith | ``Erik: [considering] building a marching cubes tesselator? |
| 03:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37086 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/ (nmg_ck.c nmg_fuse.c nmg_mod.c): |
| 03:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: remove nmg_eu_radial_check() since it was commented out and the uncommented |
| 03:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: version had not easily resolvable constness problems (it needed a non-const copy |
| 03:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: of it's edgeuse to pass to nmg_radial_build_list() yet that list then becomes |
| 03:45.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: disassociated with its eu if it is copied). also a few exact floating point |
| 03:45.23 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: comparisons changed. |
| 03:50.49 | ``Erik | ralith: funded and working on it. |
| 03:53.26 | Ralith | awesome! |
| 03:53.57 | Ralith | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.11 | Ralith | proportional to grid size, of course |
| 04:05.48 | ``Erik | yes, very grid sized impacted |
| 04:06.18 | ``Erik | exploratory experiments indicate taking up to a millenia for a vehicle sized object at bn tolerance |
| 04:08.08 | ``Erik | aaaanyways, it's gonna work in metaballs as a primitive tesselator, first... so if you're seriously interested, watch there :) |
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| 07:12.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37087 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/ (nmg_info.c nmg_inter.c): more quelling. marking unused params, fixing integer conversion types, unreachable code, shadowing, and exact floating point comparisons. |
| 07:21.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37088 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_manif.c: it's unsigned, can't be negative |
| 07:21.42 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37089 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_inter.c: stray quote and wrong dist fixed |
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| 09:32.30 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37090 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_misc.c: a bit more complicated quellification. lots of mixed shadowing going on, but no more. also exact floating point compares. mark unused params. |
| 09:51.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37091 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_misc.c: |
| 09:51.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: getting a handle on this one took some unexpected concentration. reworked the |
| 09:51.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: logic slightly to avoid the goto jump that was being used to restart the edge |
| 09:51.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: testing. it's actually simple enough to let it fall through if we just make |
| 09:51.33 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: sure we let it keep track of the edge table correctly (removing our edge before |
| 09:51.35 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: testing verts, not after). add comments as to what's going on. |
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| 10:29.03 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37092 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_pt_fu.c: another goto rewrite, this one a bit simpler. plus a few floating point comparison tests. |
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| 10:37.20 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2064 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* Other solids */ |
| 10:39.54 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2065 10/wiki/Talk:Main_Page: New section: [[Talk:Main Page#BRL-CAD Primitives|BRL-CAD Primitives]] |
| 10:41.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2066 10/wiki/User:Ssd: New page: I'm just a brl-cad user with a lot of mediawiki experience. Projects I'm currently working on: * [[:Category:MGED]] * [[BRL-CAD Primitives]] |
| 10:42.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2067 10/wiki/Talk:Main_Page: /* BRL-CAD Primitives */ |
| 10:43.21 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2068 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* Sketch */ |
| 10:45.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2069 10/wiki/MGED_CMD_make: /* Description */ |
| 10:47.03 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2070 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* grip */ |
| 10:48.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37093 10/brlcad/trunk/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:48.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: and with this WHOOOSH.. the remainder of nmg is quellified. quieted sign |
| 10:48.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: warnings, unused params, shadow vars, and floating point comparisons (which now |
| 10:48.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: test via computation tolerance). go ahead and change some of the signatures for |
| 10:48.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: funcs that had unused params that provided little stubbed benefit. |
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| 14:17.23 | ``Erik | stupid snow |
| 14:25.00 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:36.46 | ``Erik | no plow here and the snow is up on the rims of the cars outside |
| 14:36.55 | ``Erik | so'z I'm immobilized |
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| 16:39.02 | brlcad | starting to melt here, I think I can make it about now |
| 16:39.25 | brlcad | is happy that more than half of librt is clean now |
| 16:40.26 | brlcad | those nmg changes should be interesting.. either made things a little better or a little worse, but either way they're now more well-defined :) |
| 16:40.46 | brlcad | few places I was pretty sure I saw bugs, but needed more careful attention .. |
| 16:41.03 | brlcad | we really could probably hammer down that whole api and make it work without too much effort |
| 16:41.11 | brlcad | via test driven development |
| 16:41.40 | brlcad | that api already breaks things down into neatly isolated routines that generally are written to perform one function |
| 16:44.02 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2073 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* dsp */ |
| 16:46.55 | ``Erik | <-- lives up in hills, it's a good 5 degrees cooler here than work :/ damn weird, driing out on ice, then driving in water for 95 % of the trip |
| 16:48.13 | ``Erik | bobby and daytona have trucks, I imagine starseeker will start seein some "work from home" days soon |
| 16:50.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2074 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* half */ |
| 16:50.24 | brlcad | go go gadget ssd |
| 16:55.01 | ``Erik | heh |
| 16:57.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2075 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* tgc */ |
| 16:59.37 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2076 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* trc */ |
| 17:00.05 | starseeker | thought it was supposed to be rain, not snow... |
| 17:00.10 | starseeker | grumble... |
| 17:00.25 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 17:00.54 | ``Erik | hey, tkhtml expecting tclsh instead of tclsh85... is there a clean solution? |
| 17:01.08 | starseeker | not sure |
| 17:01.20 | ``Erik | hm |
| 17:01.38 | ``Erik | a 'virgin' bsd system freaks out on that |
| 17:01.40 | starseeker | since we're going to be maintaining tkhtml3, we could always have its configure script look for tclsh85 if tclsh isn't found |
| 17:01.51 | ``Erik | 84 85 86... or take a parameter |
| 17:02.11 | starseeker | TEA really needs to be made to play with autotools |
| 17:02.22 | starseeker | we need a configure.ac/Makefile.am solution |
| 17:02.38 | starseeker | once I get back I'll take a look at the work apache did along those lines |
| 17:02.46 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2077 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* nmg */ |
| 17:03.09 | starseeker | if I get something actually clean/useful put together, I'll email the TEA folks and see what there take on things is... |
| 17:03.19 | brlcad | starseeker: ssd had a question about all the primitives (see /wiki/Talk:Main_Page) |
| 17:03.29 | brlcad | didn't you have something started there too? |
| 17:05.05 | starseeker | I did, but it looks like he's ahead of me |
| 17:05.26 | starseeker | except probably for the categorization of primitives |
| 17:05.54 | starseeker | http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/geometric_primitives.txt |
| 17:07.57 | brlcad | ah, good stuff -- you should share that with him |
| 17:08.05 | brlcad | he's all about categorization |
| 17:08.39 | brlcad | couple of his prims aren't prims, but input methods |
| 17:08.45 | brlcad | like 'box' |
| 17:09.00 | starseeker | nods |
| 17:09.14 | brlcad | and a few partially implemented ones missing |
| 17:09.17 | starseeker | doing the password reset thing for my website account |
| 17:10.01 | starseeker | maybe... |
| 17:10.07 | starseeker | hello email... |
| 17:12.09 | starseeker | is impressed - he actually got the ars primitive to do something |
| 17:13.22 | brlcad | I did that one |
| 17:13.58 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 17:14.00 | ``Erik | heh |
| 17:14.03 | starseeker | is still impressed |
| 17:14.15 | starseeker | that ANYONE got the ars primitive to do something :-P |
| 17:15.04 | brlcad | it's a pretty simple waterline primitive |
| 17:15.06 | brlcad | just not "recently" documented |
| 17:15.07 | ``Erik | ponders trying to develop a quip regarding brlcad's ars... decides not to |
| 17:15.50 | brlcad | it's one of those goodies in the rel 4 docs that should be posted up on the set |
| 17:16.24 | ``Erik | rt_bot_tess really does look like the best example :/ |
| 17:16.40 | ``Erik | damn that daytona for being smarter than all of us :/ |
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| 17:23.44 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 0396.234.232.166 07http://brlcad.org * r2078 10/wiki/Talk:Main_Page: Add note about geometric primitives categorization |
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| 17:33.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2080 10/wiki/Talk:Main_Page: note there are still a couple "work in progress" primitives uncategorized |
| 17:34.55 | starseeker | hunts lunch |
| 17:40.39 | ``Erik | <-- did spaghetti noodles and egg with apple sauce O.o |
| 17:41.26 | brlcad | you put apple sauce on spaghetti? nasty. |
| 17:41.53 | brlcad | freak |
| 17:45.08 | ``Erik | heh |
| 17:45.22 | ``Erik | it's not like italian spaghetti, it's very german :D eggs fried with butter, then egg scrambled into them, covered with apple sauce... |
| 17:45.25 | ``Erik | it's good |
| 17:45.54 | ``Erik | er, spaghetti noodles fried with butter |
| 17:46.17 | ``Erik | when ya eat it, you cut it and scoop witht eh fork instead of swirling |
| 17:46.45 | ``Erik | you put shrimp or white fish in lemon juice? freak. |
| 17:48.18 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2081 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* ebm */ |
| 17:48.21 | brlcad | do you salt the apple sauce? |
| 17:48.44 | brlcad | because that just sounds nasty if it's sweet |
| 17:48.57 | brlcad | seafood in lemon juice is salted :) |
| 17:50.47 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.03 | ``Erik | the apple suace is there to add contrast, as a topping |
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| 17:51.54 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2083 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* part */ |
| 17:53.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2084 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* Other */ |
| 17:53.54 | ``Erik | (and quite a bit of german cuisine is "ew gross" until you try it) |
| 17:55.42 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2085 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* ebm */ |
| 18:08.06 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2086 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* bot */ |
| 18:41.19 | brlcad | would rather code his way into the new year but is going to get sucked into festivities |
| 18:45.36 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37094 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/part/part.c: mas quellage. usual suspects. |
| 19:05.01 | ``Erik | heh |
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| 21:18.04 | starseeker | ./.libs/librt.so: undefined reference to `RT_CK_HITP' |
| 21:18.06 | starseeker | hrm |
| 21:18.52 | starseeker | greps... |
| 21:27.55 | starseeker | ah, sketch.c |
| 21:28.28 | starseeker | is RT_CK_HITP something someone forgot to check in or does that need to go bybye? |
| 21:54.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2089 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* box */ |
| 22:01.12 | starseeker | ooo |
| 22:01.23 | starseeker | discovers http://common-lisp.net/~loliveira/ediware/ and updates his lisp updating script |
| 22:01.27 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2090 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* extrude */ |
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| 22:12.49 | Nohla | holas |
| 22:13.14 | Nohla | congratulations for the summer of code!!! |
| 22:13.53 | Nohla | brlcad: this summer seems to be warmer |
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| 22:19.34 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2094 10/wiki/Talk:BRL-CAD_Primitives: New page: Other sources for information: * http://brlcad.org/wiki/A_Survey_of_Implicit_Constraints_in_Primitives * http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/geometric_primitives.txt * scattered through all brl-c... |
| 22:22.33 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2095 10/wiki/Talk:BRL-CAD_Primitives: |
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| 22:28.54 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2097 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* Other solids */ add 2d derived category |
| 22:29.55 | ``Erik | heh, (incl edi) |
| 22:31.33 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2098 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* dsp */ |
| 22:31.46 | starseeker | ooo, cl-base64, uffi and a few others here: http://www.b9.com/blog/index.html |
| 22:32.29 | ``Erik | uffi vs cffi keeps confusing me :/ |
| 22:32.54 | ``Erik | I'm under the impression that for a ne wproject, cffi is a better approach... but I'm not sure |
| 22:33.10 | ``Erik | and I wanna do a lisp hook over say, libtie/adrt |
| 22:34.03 | ``Erik | how dead is dead, which is the front runner, etc |
| 22:35.10 | Nohla | starseeker: hi |
| 22:35.10 | starseeker | Nohla: howdy :-) |
| 22:35.10 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, I think uffi is the way to go |
| 22:35.10 | starseeker | er cffi |
| 22:35.10 | starseeker | NOT uffi |
| 22:35.22 | starseeker | uffi is still needed by some libraries that haven't been updated in a while |
| 22:35.38 | ``Erik | see? see? thus the confusion |
| 22:35.42 | starseeker | thinks linedit may be tha main culprit... |
| 22:35.44 | Nohla | starseeker: a lot of time has passed since the last time :P |
| 22:35.51 | starseeker | Nohla: last time? |
| 22:36.17 | Nohla | we see each other :)+ |
| 22:36.45 | Nohla | i've bought the projector today :) |
| 22:37.03 | Nohla | and... |
| 22:37.10 | Nohla | it's my birthday |
| 22:37.19 | starseeker | ah congratulations! |
| 22:37.26 | ``Erik | happy bday, nohla! |
| 22:37.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r2099 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives: /* ebm */ |
| 22:38.21 | Nohla | starseeker: the second tutorial is done :) |
| 22:38.36 | starseeker | Nohla: excellent!! |
| 22:39.01 | ``Erik | do you have people without any english knowlege trying your tutorials as a test case? |
| 22:39.05 | Nohla | but "make" was difficult to run because the battery is going to wave hands with God |
| 22:39.32 | ``Erik | (are there people without english knowlege down there?) |
| 22:41.32 | Nohla | the next sunday will be a party at home |
| 22:42.18 | starseeker | Nohla: you can run "make" just in the directory doc/docbook/ |
| 22:42.26 | Nohla | hope that day, the student who asked for this tutorials appear |
| 22:43.00 | Nohla | starseeker: I'm not with my notebook right now |
| 22:43.42 | starseeker | Nohla: ah. k, no problem :) |
| 22:43.45 | starseeker | just so you know |
| 22:44.18 | Nohla | ``Erik: 3 people read the 1st tutorial |
| 22:44.40 | Nohla | you convince me and I'll install brlcad this weekend :P |
| 22:46.21 | Nohla | and promised the third for this weekend too... |
| 22:46.43 | Nohla | mmm... I'll do my best |
| 22:46.55 | ``Erik | is gonna go deaf fromt he purring O.o |
| 22:47.01 | Nohla | alcohol is not the best friend of translating |
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| 22:47.27 | ``Erik | perhaps not, but it makes the code flow :D |
| 22:47.47 | ``Erik | if I werent' covered in cats, I'd go get a drink in response |
| 22:48.52 | Nohla | ``Erik: what kind of cats? XD |
| 22:49.29 | ``Erik | domestic, a pair, from the same litter, from the local 'rescue' association |
| 22:49.43 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/20091025/ |
| 22:51.50 | Nohla | mine came from a similar place :) |
| 22:53.00 | ``Erik | <-- hopes his cats are happy, thinks they're better off than being in the wild or in a cage |
| 22:54.28 | Nohla | hi's something in his skin, needs vitamin |
| 22:55.04 | ``Erik | ah, the food doesn't provide? |
| 22:55.05 | Nohla | "Te hacen falta vitaminas... vitaminas" (National Rock from down here) |
| 22:55.55 | Nohla | seems needs more |
| 22:55.56 | ``Erik | needs to go to the store and get more food in the next week or two :/ |
| 22:57.35 | Nohla | guys, good night. I'll take a nap :) |
| 22:58.06 | ``Erik | hasta manana |
| 22:58.08 | Nohla | years do not go alone |
| 22:58.16 | ``Erik | happy new years :) |
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| 22:58.51 | Nohla | for me and for this decade |
| 22:59.42 | Nohla | starseeker: we should talk more, as the very beginning |
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| 23:13.09 | csanyipal | Hi, |
| 23:13.22 | csanyipal | just to say: Happy new year!! :D |
| 23:13.59 | ``Erik | happy new years, csanyipal :) |
| 23:14.06 | csanyipal | :) |
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| 23:43.58 | starseeker | Nohla: you are doing well :-) |
| 23:44.18 | starseeker | just need to get you committing ;-) |
